From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  1 00:13:36 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:13:36 -0800
Subject: Counting Chars by ASCI Values
In-Reply-To: <NEBBICMMKLOIPMPOLALAGEKOIKAA.jiml@netrin.com>
Message-ID: <C02A6D80.356EC%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 2/28/06 8:01 PM, "Jim Lambert" <jiml at netrin.com> wrote:
> Personally I prefer the itemcount technique.
> 
Caution when counting words, items, lines in xtalk.
Using either "the number of lines in"
or "for each" can give unexpected results.

If the last character in a field is a return, the last line is empty and
DOES NOT COUNT.  The same for ("," items) and (" " words)

Using "& null" will work for words/items/lines
and give you what you would want in most cases.
See below.

Paste the following into a new mainstack stack script, dblclk and study the
difference.
---start copy --------------------------------------
on mouseDoubleUp
  put "one,two,three,four," into txtList --note last comma
  replace "," with cr in txtList
  
  -------- usual 2 methods ...oops
  repeat with x = 1 to the number of lines in txtList
    put "x is " & x into line x of withXresult
  end repeat

  repeat for each line LNN in txtList
    put "money" & cr after forEachResult
  end repeat
  
------- Ahh, more like what we naturally think
  repeat with x = 1 to the number of lines in (txtList & null)
    put "x is " & x into line x of withXnullResult
  end repeat
  
repeat for each line LNN in (txtList & null)
    put "money" & cr after forEachNullResult
  end repeat
-------------------
breakpoint
--note the resultant variables in variable watcher

--withXresult = 4 lines
--forEachResult = 4 lines

--withXnullResult = 5 lines
--forEachNullResult = 5 lines & more money

--basically, if the last word/item/line is empty it does not count
--adding null forces it to count

end mouseDoubleUp
---end copy -------------------------------

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From nicolas_cueto at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  1 00:55:04 2006
From: nicolas_cueto at yahoo.com (N Cueto)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:55:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: implementing a search function
In-Reply-To: <C02A6D80.356EC%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20060301055504.91537.qmail@web60620.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello All,

I'd like to make a search function
similar to the one for the Rev docs,
i.e., as letter by letter is typed
in the "search" field, the indexed
list automatically jumps to the
corresponding alphabetical location.

Problem is... I've no idea how this
works!

Many thanks in advance.

(And sorry to sound like a broken
record about this but the Archive
Search plugin is still returning
empty searches. I'm wondering if
this is somehow related to recent
RunRev changes...)

Cheers,
Nicolas Cueto


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Mar  1 01:11:54 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 00:11:54 -0600
Subject: Accelerator key navigation & Win XP
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0602281640470.6667-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0602281640470.6667-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <44053B2A.9080306@hyperactivesw.com>

Judy Perry wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> One of my students just asked me about this strange behavior and I told
> him I'd ask all of you.
> 
> He's on XP and trying to use the accelerator-key navigation funtionality
> from the View -> Go First, Go Previous, Go last...
> 
> He says that it will work a few times, then stop working and lock up; he
> says further that sometimes he can get out of this state by first clicking
> on the single-line icon in the message box, then the multiple-line icon,
> then again the single-line icon, but sometimes that doesn't even work.
> 
> He's using I believe XP and Rev 2.7.
> 
> Does this ring any bells anywhere?

I haven't heard of this particular one, but it sounds a little like the 
Command-key dropout that happens sometimes with Cmd/Ctrl-C and 
Cmd/Ctrl-V, etc. Sometimes these menu shortcuts just stop being 
recognized. The student's clever use of the message box to get 
functionality back should  be worth some extra credit I think, because 
most people just relaunch Rev to get it working again.

This has been happening forever and ever to some people, some of the 
time, for some of the versions, under circumstances that no one can 
repeat reliably, depending on something no one can identify. That's all 
anyone knows about it.

If he can come up with a reliable recipe...

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Mar  1 01:16:23 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 00:16:23 -0600
Subject: Print from TL to BR - doesn't
In-Reply-To: <C02A4C04.6B12%hershrev@realtorsgroup.us>
References: <C02A4C04.6B12%hershrev@realtorsgroup.us>
Message-ID: <44053C37.7080602@hyperactivesw.com>

Hershel Fisch wrote:

> On mouseUp
>   set the backgroundcolor of me to white
>   set the printmargins to 72,72,72,72
>   --answer printer
>   print me from  topLeft to bottomRight
> End mouseUp

There's the problem, in the last line. You need:

   print this cd from (the topLeft of this cd) to (the bottomRight of 
this cd)

I don't think you want to use "me" here, if this is a button script. You 
probably want to print the card, so you have to refer to "this card" 
specifically.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Mar  1 01:37:49 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 00:37:49 -0600
Subject: implementing a search function
In-Reply-To: <20060301055504.91537.qmail@web60620.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C02A9D5D.36CA7%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 2/28/06 11:55 PM, "N Cueto" <nicolas_cueto at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hello All,
> 
> I'd like to make a search function
> similar to the one for the Rev docs,
> i.e., as letter by letter is typed
> in the "search" field, the indexed
> list automatically jumps to the
> corresponding alphabetical location.

See:

"List Fields: Scrolling to a Line on Keypress"
http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/fld003.htm

:-)

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Mar  1 01:54:16 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 00:54:16 -0600
Subject: [ANN] Brand NEW altBrowser2!!! Neat new capabilities.
Message-ID: <44054518.6060606@chipp.com>

Just thought you all would be the first to know!
 From the website:
http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altBrowserCover/default.htm

New promotional pricing available for a limited time.

-----------------------------------
Completely new version of altBrowser for Mac and PC. New features include:

? Embed a fully functional browser substack in your current application 
with a single click. No more fussing with libraries as the substack is 
completely self-contained.
? Brand new DEMO tutorial stack walks you through setting up altBrowser 
and it's functions. Also, updates existing externals and itself!
? New browser substack streamlined for ease of use and ease of 
customization. The new simplified scripts are documented well and easily 
modified.
? Now, for the first time, altBrowser can have multiple instances? each 
with their own browser ID! You can create your own tabbed browser if you 
like!
? Multiple enhancements and fixes from previous versions of altBrowser. 
No more jumping through hoops to set the external. Mac and PC versions 
are more alike than ever before.
? Mac version now automatically loads PDF and Flash documents.

It will only take 5 minutes to make you a believer in altBrowser2!

Check out our demo stack. It shows you step-by-step how easy it is to 
add a REAL BROWSER to your Rev project. There are demonstrations for 
Flash, PDF, and even an embedded fancy AJAX/Javascript app (you'll have 
to see to believe!;-).

To view the demo, all you have to do is launch Revolution and and copy 
and paste the below script into your message box:

go URL "http://www.gadgetplugins.com/altbrowser/altBrowserLauncher.rev"

then hit enter. Please be patient while the demo stack loads. Once 
loaded, you may wish to save it. Then just follow the instructions and 
you're on your way to finding out all about the new altBrowser2!

Don't worry, the Demo stack will install all the externals necessary!

---------------------------

best,

Chipp



From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Mar  1 02:07:35 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 01:07:35 -0600
Subject: A Constellation Problem - of my own making
In-Reply-To: <C02A0DE1.1D0C%transcom@comcast.net>
References: <C02A0DE1.1D0C%transcom@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <44054837.9080407@chipp.com>

Michael,

try this in the message box:

set the topLeft of stack "revConstellation" to the screenloc

That should move it so you can resize it.

-Chipp

Michael Mandaville wrote:
> Tim,
> 
> As far as I can tell, you described the problem quite accurately.   The
> Constellation top is tucked under the Revolution/Mac OSX menubar at the top
> so I can't drag it anywhere.
> 
> I'm on a 14" Mac Powerbook too
> 
> And when I restart it goes right under the menu bar as well.



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Wed Mar  1 02:26:55 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:26:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [ANN] Brand NEW altBrowser2!!! Neat new capabilities.
In-Reply-To: <44054518.6060606@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0602282326240.18321-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Chipp,

I'm not seeing the pricing info...

Where is it?

Thanks!

Judy

On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Just thought you all would be the first to know!
>  From the website:
> http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altBrowserCover/default.htm
>
> New promotional pricing available for a limited time.



From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Mar  1 03:03:59 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 09:03:59 +0100
Subject: [ANN] Brand NEW altBrowser2!!! Neat new capabilities.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0602282326240.18321-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0602282326240.18321-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <4D768C5C-073B-4770-A508-8AA2419564D2@major-k.de>

Hi Judy,

> Chipp,
>
> I'm not seeing the pricing info...
>
> Where is it?

click "Buy" in the naviagation bar on the left side of the page,
et voila!:  the prices!

It's magic, ladies and gentlemen! :-)

>> http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altBrowserCover/default.htm

> Thanks!
>
> Judy

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From scott at proherp.com  Wed Mar  1 03:05:37 2006
From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 19:05:37 +1100
Subject: [ANN] Brand NEW altBrowser2!!! Neat new capabilities.
In-Reply-To: <4D768C5C-073B-4770-A508-8AA2419564D2@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <000001c63d06$f22ef6a0$0201010a@royalnexus>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Klaus Major
> Sent: Wednesday, 1 March 2006 7:04 PM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: [ANN] Brand NEW altBrowser2!!! Neat new capabilities.

> It's magic, ladies and gentlemen! :-)

You're a true Warlock Klaus...  <g>

Scott




From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Wed Mar  1 03:08:47 2006
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 00:08:47 -0800
Subject: search scripts for string
In-Reply-To: <000a01c63c82$d9225a00$6501a8c0@new0eeca32bb97>
References: <000a01c63c82$d9225a00$6501a8c0@new0eeca32bb97>
Message-ID: <9F153DD9-1F27-4412-98BF-283115F5D118@inspiredlogic.com>


On Feb 28, 2006, at 8:20 AM, Preston Shea wrote:

> I seem to remember a something (third party? sample script?)  
> somewhere to search all the scripts in a stack for a text string.  
> Does anyone know where this gem might be?

Navigator will do this as well:

http://www.inspiredlogic.com/navigator

Right-click (control-click on a Mac) on any set of controls and in  
the contextual menu will be options to search the scripts of just the  
hilited objects, or all the objects they contain.

<advertising> You can also easily search based on any test you like  
-- find all buttons that aren't 14 pixels tall, find all invisible  
fields, etc. </advertising>

regards,

Geoff


From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Mar  1 03:30:31 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 09:30:31 +0100
Subject: [ANN] Brand NEW altBrowser2!!! Neat new capabilities.
In-Reply-To: <000001c63d06$f22ef6a0$0201010a@royalnexus>
References: <000001c63d06$f22ef6a0$0201010a@royalnexus>
Message-ID: <9447D3C7-E84C-41DF-A280-982E644BDE17@major-k.de>

Hi Scott,

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
>> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of
>> Klaus Major
>> Sent: Wednesday, 1 March 2006 7:04 PM
>> To: How to use Revolution
>> Subject: Re: [ANN] Brand NEW altBrowser2!!! Neat new capabilities.
>
>> It's magic, ladies and gentlemen! :-)
>
> You're a true Warlock Klaus...  <g>

thank you very much, Scott! :-)

> Scott

Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Mar  1 03:54:54 2006
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 08:54:54 +0000
Subject: Counting Chars by ASCI Values
In-Reply-To: <C02A7F38.36C8F%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C02A7F38.36C8F%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <4405615E.4010204@tweedly.net>

Ken Ray wrote:

>On 2/28/06 3:57 PM, "Jonathan Lynch" <jonathandlynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I like the idea of using itemdel as a means of counting - very clever...
>>
>>I was thinking there must be some other immediate means of counting?
>>    
>>
>
>How about this one?
>
>function CountChars pString,pChar
>  replace space with null in pString
>  replace pChar with space in pString
>  return ((the number of words of pString)-1)
>end CountChars
>
>  
>
That doesn't work because a sequence of consecutive spaces doesn't cause 
intermediate null words - the sequence is a single word delimiter. So if 
you tried to count the ":"s in "asd:::fgh" you'd replace it to "asd   
fgh" - which word-counting says is the same as "asd:fgh".

It would also get the wrong answer if there are quotes in the string 
forming a quoted word. I think it requires a space immediately before 
the first quote for ti to be considered the start of a quoted word - but 
once it does form a quoted word, internal spaces are ignored, as is the 
lack of a space after the second quote.

string             word count
-------            ---------- 
asdfgh             1 as you wanted
asd"extra"fgh      1 again
asd "extra"fgh     3 !!
asd "extra" fgh    3 again
asd "extra"   fgh  3 again


-- 
Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net

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From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Wed Mar  1 07:33:38 2006
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:33:38 -0500
Subject: implementing a search function
In-Reply-To: <C02A9D5D.36CA7%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C02A9D5D.36CA7%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <2DB7C4CA-C89B-4DB7-B770-81746390F202@conncoll.edu>

If you want to go beyond the first character (press 'm' to get all  
the 'm?' lines, 'a' to get all the 'ma?' lines rather than all the  
'a?' lines) it gets trickier, but several people have worked out  
versions of it. I can't remember quite when, but look in the archives  
for roughly August of last year . . .

So many people come back to this, that it might be something to build  
into a library?

Charles

On Mar 1, 2006, at 1:37 AM, Ken Ray wrote:

> On 2/28/06 11:55 PM, "N Cueto" <nicolas_cueto at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I'd like to make a search function
>> similar to the one for the Rev docs,
>> i.e., as letter by letter is typed
>> in the "search" field, the indexed
>> list automatically jumps to the
>> corresponding alphabetical location.
>
> See:
>
> "List Fields: Scrolling to a Line on Keypress"
> http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/fld003.htm
>
> :-)
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
>
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From paulclaude at postino.it  Wed Mar  1 08:06:27 2006
From: paulclaude at postino.it (Paul Claude)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 14:06:27 +0100
Subject: Type a text from a palette stack to an external window
Message-ID: <C02B5AE3.3EA4%paulclaude@postino.it>

There is a way to let Revolution (also via Applescript) may type a text on
an external app window (i.e. a text editor)?

I've tried using various AS tips to bring the ext. window to the frontmost,
but every time the focus remains on the stack (a systemWindow style
palette), and typing give back only an error sound.




From Cubist at aol.com  Wed Mar  1 08:08:24 2006
From: Cubist at aol.com (Cubist at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 08:08:24 EST
Subject: Counting Chars by ASCI Values
Message-ID: <226.708b3d0.3136f6c8@aol.com>


In a message dated 2/28/06 6:20:02 PM, Todd Geist 
<tg.lists at geistinteractive.com> writes:
>I need to count the number of times a Character occurs in text  
>string. The character will be high or Low ASCII.  SO I need to input  
>the value as an ASCII value.
>
>Anybody have any scripts that can get me started?
   The replies you've gotten thus far have used loops to explicitly count the 
occurences of whatever-character-it-is. Here's a different way to do it, 
using the "replace" function, which could be faster:

function HowManyCharXs TheText, ASCIIval
  # TheText is whatever you're interested in counting the characters of
  # ASCIIval is the ASCII value for the character you want to count

  put the length of TheText into Fred
  replace (numToChar (ASCIIval)) with "" in TheText

  return (Fred - the length of TheText)
end HowManyCharXs

   This function uses "the length of" twice for each character-count. If you 
want to count multiple characters at any one time, it should be possible to 
speed things up a trifle by eliminating nearly half of the needed "the length 
of"s:

function CountManyChars TheText, ASCIIvals
  # TheText is whatever you're interested in counting the characters of
  # ASCIIvals is a comma-delimited list of ASCII values for all characters 
you want to count

  put the length of TheText into Fred
  put "" into Rezultz

  repeat for each item II in ASCIIvals
    replace (numToChar (II)) with "" in TheText
    put the length of TheText into George
    put (Fred - George) into item (1 + the number of items in Rezultz) of 
Rezultz
    put George into Fred
  end repeat

  return Rezultz
end CountManyChars

   Hope this helps...


From jonathandlynch at gmail.com  Wed Mar  1 08:29:55 2006
From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (Jonathan Lynch)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 08:29:55 -0500
Subject: ... how could one create a customized object ... ? (was
	something else)
In-Reply-To: <C02A601B.17CD0%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
References: <31e1938c0602280937j4dcffaaaq2e650272b92bef1c@mail.gmail.com>
	<C02A601B.17CD0%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
Message-ID: <31e1938c0603010529m626cce02s3a160ed66dc8d5c8@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Dick

This is something I have thought about... and, as RR currently stands, I
think you would need an image with a bit of scripting, that holds the 3D
object data in a custom property and sends that data to an external for
processing when the view of the object is changed, then puts the new image
data into the image.

However, that requires an external.

If you wanted to build a true custom object of this sort for RR, would it be
possible?


From jonathandlynch at gmail.com  Wed Mar  1 08:34:27 2006
From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (Jonathan Lynch)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 08:34:27 -0500
Subject: Counting Chars by ASCI Values
In-Reply-To: <226.708b3d0.3136f6c8@aol.com>
References: <226.708b3d0.3136f6c8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <31e1938c0603010534o4a796a8eq8c0b69879e048339@mail.gmail.com>

aha!

Using replace twice - awesome Idea!

I would write it like this:

function CharCount pAsciiChar,pString
  put numtochar(pAsciiChar) into tCharToCheck
  put pString into pString2
  replace tCharToCheck with empty in pString2
  return (the length of pString)-(the length of pString2)
end CharCount

Awesome thinking Cubist!


From lmpeterson at mac.com  Wed Mar  1 08:46:43 2006
From: lmpeterson at mac.com (Lynn Marie Peterson)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 05:46:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Type a text from a palette stack to an external window
In-Reply-To: <C02B5AE3.3EA4%paulclaude@postino.it>
References: <C02B5AE3.3EA4%paulclaude@postino.it>
Message-ID: <3183270.post@talk.nabble.com>


Paul Consolo asked:
<<
There is a way to let Revolution (also via Applescript) may type a text on
an external app window (i.e. a text editor)?

I've tried using various AS tips to bring the ext. window to the frontmost,
but every time the focus remains on the stack (a systemWindow style
palette), and typing give back only an error sound.
>>
````````````````
Hi Paul ~

I am relatively new to RunRev, but I just ran into this recently in my own
project. I had the same problem with AS, but this is what I did (note this
does not include AS routine to transfer text, just activate an external app
window:

on mouseUp
  put "tell application" && quote & "Microsoft Word" & quote & return into
tAppleScript
  put "open" & return after tAppleScript
  put "end tell" after tAppleScript
  do tAppleScript as AppleScript
  put "tell application" && quote & "Microsoft Word" & quote & return into
tAppleScript
  put "activate" & return after tAppleScript
  put "end tell" after tAppleScript
  do tAppleScript as AppleScript
end mouseUp

I tried putting the AScript into one "put tell application", but I found the
same thing you did... it would launch the Word app, but not bring it to the
frontmost app, so I had to tell it to open and then activate in separate
"tell application" statements. I'm sure there is a more concise, elegant way
which the experts here on the list will provide.

Lynn P.
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From paulclaude at postino.it  Wed Mar  1 09:38:40 2006
From: paulclaude at postino.it (Paul Claude)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 15:38:40 +0100
Subject: Type a text from a palette stack to an external window
In-Reply-To: <3183270.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <C02B7080.3EAF%paulclaude@postino.it>

Hi Lynn,

unfortunately this does not work for me. Perhaps the problem is that my
stack has a systemWindow style.

I've created this property, running it as Applescript:

tell application "System Events" to set frontApp to name of (item 1 of
(processes whose frontmost is true))
tell window 1 of application frontApp to activate
tell application "System Events"
    keystroke "Test"
end tell
return frontApp

It properly return the name of the text editor that's already open
(frontApp), but doesn't bring it really to the front, and fails to type.



on 1-03-2006 14:46, Lynn Marie Peterson at lmpeterson at mac.com wrote:

> ````````````````
> Hi Paul ~
> 
> I am relatively new to RunRev, but I just ran into this recently in my own
> project. I had the same problem with AS, but this is what I did (note this
> does not include AS routine to transfer text, just activate an external app
> window:
> 
> on mouseUp
>   put "tell application" && quote & "Microsoft Word" & quote & return into
> tAppleScript
>   put "open" & return after tAppleScript
>   put "end tell" after tAppleScript
>   do tAppleScript as AppleScript
>   put "tell application" && quote & "Microsoft Word" & quote & return into
> tAppleScript
>   put "activate" & return after tAppleScript
>   put "end tell" after tAppleScript
>   do tAppleScript as AppleScript
> end mouseUp
> 
> I tried putting the AScript into one "put tell application", but I found the
> same thing you did... it would launch the Word app, but not bring it to the
> frontmost app, so I had to tell it to open and then activate in separate
> "tell application" statements. I'm sure there is a more concise, elegant way
> which the experts here on the list will provide.
> 
> Lynn P.
> --
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From tominjapan at excite.com  Wed Mar  1 09:58:46 2006
From: tominjapan at excite.com (Thomas McCarthy)
Date: Wed,  1 Mar 2006 09:58:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: PayPal and Rev update
Message-ID: <20060301145846.AE7312F5CD@xprdmxin.myway.com>


In my haste to bed the other night, I accidently put up some old [and nasty] cgi scripts. I've updated them.

--and in the reg_stack.rev
Scott Rossi's PayPal button worked well in development mode, but not under my standalone. I changed it to a revGoURL call and now it works.

Also prettied up the auto-code fill-in feature. Now customers don't have to copy and paste the registration code.

all the scripts and the reg_stack.rev are available here:
http://www.discamus.com/nunc/how/PayPal_setup2.html

cheers,
tm

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From tg.lists at geistinteractive.com  Wed Mar  1 10:20:19 2006
From: tg.lists at geistinteractive.com (Todd Geist)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:20:19 -0800
Subject: Counting Chars By ASCII Part 2
Message-ID: <35A28769-F798-425E-815D-78B1989608E8@geistinteractive.com>

Hello Again,

After trying several of the excellent suggestions from all you  
revolutionaries, I realized I hadn't quite explained myself... go  
figure.  So here is another attempt to explain what I am after.

I am actually after "low" ASCII and "High" ASCII characters that my  
have snuck into a text file. So I need to look at every character,  
but I don't need to count every character.  I just want the ones that  
have ASCII values below 32 and above 255 and that are not in a small  
set of allowed control characters.

Based on the suggestions I got on the other thread, I came up with  
the following that produces the results I am after.  SPEED is  
critical here, since the files I am scanning maybe many mbs. I am  
wondering if any of you can improve on the design.  I  feel the need,  
the need for SPEED.  :>)

put field 1 into tString
put "10 11 12 29" into charsToIgnore

     REPEAT for each char tChar in tString
         put charToNum(tChar) into tASCII
         IF (tASCII < 31 OR tASCII > 255) THEN
             IF tASCII is not among the words of charsToIgnore THEN
                 add 1 to tCounts[tASCII]
             END IF
         END IF
     END REPEAT
     put the keys of tCounts into tChars
     sort lines of tChars numeric

     REPEAT for each line thisLine in tChars
         put thisLine & TAB & tCounts[thisLine] & Return after newList
     END REPEAT

put newList into field "Chars"

Thanks in Advance

Todd

-- 

Todd Geist
______________________________________
g e i s t   i n t e r a c t i v e



From jonathandlynch at gmail.com  Wed Mar  1 10:41:09 2006
From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (Jonathan Lynch)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 10:41:09 -0500
Subject: Counting Chars By ASCII Part 2
In-Reply-To: <35A28769-F798-425E-815D-78B1989608E8@geistinteractive.com>
References: <35A28769-F798-425E-815D-78B1989608E8@geistinteractive.com>
Message-ID: <31e1938c0603010741h1c41f318iba819786844f90cc@mail.gmail.com>

How is the speed on the script you are using?

Like, if you use this script on a string of several megabytes, how long does
it take to get a result?


Since you are testing for a number of possible different characters, you are
going to have to use a repeat for each char loop - I think.


From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Wed Mar  1 11:10:29 2006
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 17:10:29 +0100
Subject: Do you want to save changes to this stack ..... ? 
Message-ID: <112a56923d0ce1f98ca54fe165d7dc3a@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Paris,

I have a relatively big stack (4000 cards, 6 Mb). When I run it, most 
times I just do calculations on card 1 whose results are stored on this 
card. In this case, from my point of view, there are no mods (although 
I agree that SOME fields on card 1 have changed, but I don't want to 
save the stack). Sometimes I add data cards, and so I do want to save 
the stack on exit.

You can quit a stack in three ways, by (a) executing a "close stack" 
command, (b) by clicking top left (Mac), or (c) by quitting Revolution. 
Obviously, if I use methods (a) or (b), and answer "No" to the save 
request, when I open the stack again in the SAME Revolution session, 
any mods I made are there, because the stack is still in memory. If I 
use methods (a) or (b) with no save, and then quit Revolution, I lose 
my mods. I can go with that - it seems perfectly normal.

Questions :

1 - Under what conditions does Revolution ask me the question "Do you 
want to save the changes ", or more simply, what constitutes "a change" 
? The answer once seemed clear to me, but maybe there are things I 
don't know ! As an example, if I change the contents of a field, I get 
the request to save, but if I change the labels from English to French 
(by buttons), I don't get the request to save. Yet I made modifications 
to the stack ! And when I execute the stack again, label modifications 
have been lost. Curiouser and Curiouser !

2 - Are the conditions the same under Stack Runner ?

And the most important question :

3 - If I consider that I have made no changes, and Revolution doesn't 
agree, can I bypass the "Do you want to save?" request (maybe there is 
a gREV global that I can tinker with) ?

ASSUMING the answer to question (3) is YES, I want to handle the "save" 
problem myself in the Stack Script :

      global IveModifiedTheStack
      on newCard             -- I call "newCard" in a main-line script.
         create card
         put 1 into IveModifiedThe Stack
      end newCard

      on closeStack
         if IveModifiedTheStack = 1 then save this stack -- otherwise 
DON'T save !
      end closeStack

I tried using "saveStackRequest" and not passing it, but this doesn't 
appear to work, and it appears to be called AFTER the Revolution "Do 
you want to save" question, thus defeating the object :

on saveStackRequest
   global IveModifiedTheStack
   if IveModifiedTheStack ? 1 then exit saveStackRequest
   pass saveStackRequest  -- Leave Revolution to decide.
end saveStackRequest

Is this the correct way to attack the problem (I hope all this is clear 
to you guys) ?

Francis
  
  

From mark at maseurope.net  Wed Mar  1 11:17:25 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 16:17:25 +0000
Subject: Counting Chars By ASCII Part 2
In-Reply-To: <31e1938c0603010741h1c41f318iba819786844f90cc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <35A28769-F798-425E-815D-78B1989608E8@geistinteractive.com>
	<31e1938c0603010741h1c41f318iba819786844f90cc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A3D9D33B-C45E-4D66-A927-561523512CF9@maseurope.net>

I've come up with this:


on anotherOne
   put fld 1 into tString
   repeat with n = 1 to 30
     if (n >= 10 AND n <=12) OR n = 29  then next repeat
     put n & tab & charCount(n,tString) & cr after tList
   end repeat

   put tList into fld "chars"
end anotherOne

function charCount n,tString
   put length(tString) into oLen
   replace numToChar(n) with empty in tString
   return oLen - length(tString)
end charCount

Of course this won't find chars > 255, but then I have a question -

if you insert "set the useUnicode to true" at the beginning of it, it  
still works, however if you do the same with your handler, on my  
system, it takes four time longer, and produces no result. Without  
the useUnicode setting, surely we're only able to count chars with an  
ascii value <= 255...or have I misunderstood this ascii 1-byte, 2- 
byte stuff?

Mark

On 1 Mar 2006, at 15:41, Jonathan Lynch wrote:

> How is the speed on the script you are using?
>
> Like, if you use this script on a string of several megabytes, how  
> long does
> it take to get a result?
>
>
> Since you are testing for a number of possible different  
> characters, you are
> going to have to use a repeat for each char loop - I think.
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From marty at vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu  Wed Mar  1 11:22:19 2006
From: marty at vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu (Marty Billingsley)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 10:22:19 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Recovering a corrupt file
In-Reply-To: <20060301151303.DEF70825669@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060301151303.DEF70825669@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0603011015070.16680@vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu>

Hi --

Any hints on recovering a corrupted Rev file?  We're using 2.6 on Mac OS
10.4.3 and saving files to a Sun workstation that emulates a Mac server by
using a program called xinet.  Anyway, when a student's quota is exceeded
on the server, there is no error message when his RR stack is saved;
however it is corrupt when the student tries to open the stack the next
day.  By corrupt, I mean that RR won't even begin to open it.

One of my students just lost a couple of weeks of work. I can use vi or
emacs to directly edit the RR file if I know what to go and fix.  Any
pointers to documentation that might help me?

Thanks,
  - marty

--
Marty Billingsley (marty at ucls.uchicago.edu)
The University of Chicago Laboratory Schools




From jonathandlynch at gmail.com  Wed Mar  1 11:34:03 2006
From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (Jonathan Lynch)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 11:34:03 -0500
Subject: Counting Chars By ASCII Part 2
In-Reply-To: <A3D9D33B-C45E-4D66-A927-561523512CF9@maseurope.net>
References: <35A28769-F798-425E-815D-78B1989608E8@geistinteractive.com>
	<31e1938c0603010741h1c41f318iba819786844f90cc@mail.gmail.com>
	<A3D9D33B-C45E-4D66-A927-561523512CF9@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <31e1938c0603010834s493bd106x88be7a72ce1e297e@mail.gmail.com>

I would assume that if he is checking for characters >255 that he must be
using unicode.


From jonathandlynch at gmail.com  Wed Mar  1 11:35:48 2006
From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (Jonathan Lynch)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 11:35:48 -0500
Subject: Do you want to save changes to this stack ..... ?
In-Reply-To: <112a56923d0ce1f98ca54fe165d7dc3a@wanadoo.fr>
References: <112a56923d0ce1f98ca54fe165d7dc3a@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <31e1938c0603010835p1cee7835t82616e9ae0233484@mail.gmail.com>

I might be misunderstanding...

but, if you want your stack to not remain in memory after you close it,
can't you just set it's destroystack property to true?


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  1 10:25:57 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 07:25:57 -0800
Subject: Counting Chars by ASCI Values
In-Reply-To: <226.708b3d0.3136f6c8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C02AFD05.35738%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/1/06 5:08 AM, "Cubist at aol.com" <Cubist at aol.com> wrote:

> 
> In a message dated 2/28/06 6:20:02 PM, Todd Geist
> <tg.lists at geistinteractive.com> writes:
>> I need to count the number of times a Character occurs in text
>> string. The character will be high or Low ASCII.  SO I need to input
>> the value as an ASCII value.
>> 
>> Anybody have any scripts that can get me started?
>    The replies you've gotten thus far have used loops to explicitly count the
> occurences of whatever-character-it-is. Here's a different way to do it,
> using the "replace" function, which could be faster:
> 

Actually, my original post used the following technique:

set the itemDel to "?"
get the number of items in (textStr & null)

which does not require a repeat loop or replace or a function or
establishing more variables.

One post was done to show the precaution of counting any container for
words, items, lines where the last to be counted was empty.

The best implementation would be either:
-- method 1 inline
put the itemDel into prevDel
set the itemDel to asciiChar
get the number of items in (textStr & null)
set the itemDel to prevDel

---method 2 function
function getCharCount asciiChar
   set the itemDel to asciiChar
   return  the number of items in (textStr & null)
end getCharCount 

--and now the itemDel does not have to reset
put getCharCount("?") into howMany

So many ways, so many choices :-)

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From jerry at hytext.com  Wed Mar  1 11:41:07 2006
From: jerry at hytext.com (Jerry Muelver)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 10:41:07 -0600
Subject: On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla
In-Reply-To: <C0234B62.3523E%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C0234B62.3523E%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4405CEA3.4000503@hytext.com>



Jim Ault wrote:
> It would be nice if there was a wiki that would categorize bugs
> (text-in-fields, icons, standalones, Win32 vs Mac) that would read more like
> a book or simple outline.
>   
You mean, like http://revdocwiki.wikispaces.com/ ?

---- Jerry Muelver


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  1 10:34:53 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 07:34:53 -0800
Subject: Counting Chars By ASCII Part 2
In-Reply-To: <35A28769-F798-425E-815D-78B1989608E8@geistinteractive.com>
Message-ID: <C02AFF1D.3573B%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>


On 3/1/06 7:20 AM, "Todd Geist" <tg.lists at geistinteractive.com> wrote:

Question 1:
>          IF (tASCII < 31 OR tASCII > 255) THEN
Why would you test for > 255 since no ASCII would be higher than this?

Question 2:
Are you trying to strip the characters, or just count them and report the
result, like a histogram?

Could you show exactly what you are starting with and what you want to end
up with?

Thanks.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 3/1/06 7:20 AM, "Todd Geist" <tg.lists at geistinteractive.com> wrote:

> Hello Again,
> 
> After trying several of the excellent suggestions from all you
> revolutionaries, I realized I hadn't quite explained myself... go
> figure.  So here is another attempt to explain what I am after.
> 
> I am actually after "low" ASCII and "High" ASCII characters that my
> have snuck into a text file. So I need to look at every character,
> but I don't need to count every character.  I just want the ones that
> have ASCII values below 32 and above 255 and that are not in a small
> set of allowed control characters.
> 
> Based on the suggestions I got on the other thread, I came up with
> the following that produces the results I am after.  SPEED is
> critical here, since the files I am scanning maybe many mbs. I am
> wondering if any of you can improve on the design.  I  feel the need,
> the need for SPEED.  :>)
> 
> put field 1 into tString
> put "10 11 12 29" into charsToIgnore
> 
>      REPEAT for each char tChar in tString
>          put charToNum(tChar) into tASCII
>          IF (tASCII < 31 OR tASCII > 255) THEN
>              IF tASCII is not among the words of charsToIgnore THEN
>                  add 1 to tCounts[tASCII]
>              END IF
>          END IF
>      END REPEAT
>      put the keys of tCounts into tChars
>      sort lines of tChars numeric
> 
>      REPEAT for each line thisLine in tChars
>          put thisLine & TAB & tCounts[thisLine] & Return after newList
>      END REPEAT
> 
> put newList into field "Chars"
> 
> Thanks in Advance
> 
> Todd




From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Wed Mar  1 11:46:13 2006
From: FlexibleLearning at aol.com (FlexibleLearning at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 11:46:13 EST
Subject: implementing a search function
Message-ID: <25d.7b22abf.313729d5@aol.com>

I use this to progressively auto-fill from a defined list...

Script  for Field or Combo-button...

on keyup k
put word 2 of the  selectedChunk into temp
put the num of words of char 1 to temp of me  into w
put lineoffset(CR& word w of me, CR& fld "wordList")  into n
get line n of fld "wordList"
if it <>"" then  put it into word w of me
-- Select current word offset
put  the num of chars of word 1 to w of me into w
select char (temp) to w  of me
end keyup

Maybe I should put it in the Scripter's Scrapbook.

/H
 

> On 2/28/06 11:55 PM, "N Cueto" <nicolas_cueto at yahoo.com>  wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I'd like to make a  search function
>> similar to the one for the Rev docs,
>>  i.e., as letter by letter is typed
>> in the "search" field, the  indexed
>> list automatically jumps to the
>> corresponding  alphabetical location.
 


From mark at maseurope.net  Wed Mar  1 11:57:28 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 16:57:28 +0000
Subject: Counting Chars By ASCII Part 2
In-Reply-To: <C02AFF1D.3573B%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C02AFF1D.3573B%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <98CC19A6-81B0-41BB-9675-FFDB4DD97ED3@maseurope.net>

Exactly why I wondered...

from the Docs:

<If the useUnicode property is set to true, the numToChar function  
returns a double-byte character. If the useUnicode is false and you  
specify an ASCIIValue greater than 255, the numToChar function  
returns the character corresponding to the ASCIIValue mod 256.>

So if we're dealing with unicode text, and really need to count the  
instances of each character outside of the 0 - 255 range, then we've  
got a real lot of tests to do since we have to consider values up to  
65535...

my 0 - 255 test took a couple of seconds on about 3 megabytes of  
data, testing for only 27 characters...Todd may be taking some  
longish coffee breaks!

Mark

On 1 Mar 2006, at 15:34, Jim Ault wrote:

>
> On 3/1/06 7:20 AM, "Todd Geist" <tg.lists at geistinteractive.com> wrote:
>
> Question 1:
>>          IF (tASCII < 31 OR tASCII > 255) THEN
> Why would you test for > 255 since no ASCII would be higher than this?
>
> Question 2:
> Are you trying to strip the characters, or just count them and  
> report the
> result, like a histogram?
>
> Could you show exactly what you are starting with and what you want  
> to end
> up with?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
> On 3/1/06 7:20 AM, "Todd Geist" <tg.lists at geistinteractive.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Again,
>>
>> After trying several of the excellent suggestions from all you
>> revolutionaries, I realized I hadn't quite explained myself... go
>> figure.  So here is another attempt to explain what I am after.
>>
>> I am actually after "low" ASCII and "High" ASCII characters that my
>> have snuck into a text file. So I need to look at every character,
>> but I don't need to count every character.  I just want the ones that
>> have ASCII values below 32 and above 255 and that are not in a small
>> set of allowed control characters.
>>
>> Based on the suggestions I got on the other thread, I came up with
>> the following that produces the results I am after.  SPEED is
>> critical here, since the files I am scanning maybe many mbs. I am
>> wondering if any of you can improve on the design.  I  feel the need,
>> the need for SPEED.  :>)
>>
>> put field 1 into tString
>> put "10 11 12 29" into charsToIgnore
>>
>>      REPEAT for each char tChar in tString
>>          put charToNum(tChar) into tASCII
>>          IF (tASCII < 31 OR tASCII > 255) THEN
>>              IF tASCII is not among the words of charsToIgnore THEN
>>                  add 1 to tCounts[tASCII]
>>              END IF
>>          END IF
>>      END REPEAT
>>      put the keys of tCounts into tChars
>>      sort lines of tChars numeric
>>
>>      REPEAT for each line thisLine in tChars
>>          put thisLine & TAB & tCounts[thisLine] & Return after  
>> newList
>>      END REPEAT
>>
>> put newList into field "Chars"
>>
>> Thanks in Advance
>>
>> Todd
>
>
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From cmsheffield at gmail.com  Wed Mar  1 12:30:10 2006
From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 10:30:10 -0700
Subject: strange menu behavior
Message-ID: <350E5B6B-0EA4-4452-AC1F-EC99CBE5847D@gmail.com>

I've found what I think is a bug of some kind, but I wanted to ask  
here to see if someone else has run into anything like this, and to  
see if maybe it's something I'm doing.

I've got an application that uses a splash screen method.  The main  
stack opens and the user has to enter his password to continue.  This  
main stack has its own menu, which includes File -> Quit with Ctrl-Q  
set as the shortcut.  After entering a password and logging in  
successfully, another stack opens.  This stack has its own menu,  
which also includes File -> Quit with Ctrl-Q as its shortcut.  When  
hitting ctrl-Q from this second stack, it should close the stack and  
return to the main login screen.  Unfortunately, it's exiting the  
application completely.  I believe what's happening is hitting ctrl-Q  
in the second stack is triggering the menu item in the first stack,  
which *is* supposed to exit the application completely.  I've found  
that if I access the menu in the second stack by just clicking File,  
then ctrl-Q works correctly. It's almost as if the menu in the second  
stack is not loading or coming to the front or whatever until it is  
accessed in some way with an actual click of the mouse.

Anyone have any ideas?  Have I found a bug of some kind, or could  
there possibly be something I'm doing?  One extra piece of  
information is that I am changing the menu items of this File menu in  
the preOpenStack handler of the second stack, dependent on a couple  
different conditions.  Not sure if that would have anything to do  
with it or not.  This problem only occurs under Windows, btw.  On the  
Mac the behavior is exactly how I want it.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Chris


------------------------------------------
Chris Sheffield
Read Naturally
The Fluency Company
http://www.readnaturally.com
------------------------------------------




From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed Mar  1 12:33:01 2006
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 10:33:01 -0700
Subject: Pie Chart Algorithms?
In-Reply-To: <029D1DA4-DB03-4C0F-BBF6-20E828240F16@hindu.org>
References: <B9891259-9B25-417F-B3D3-F4B73DBBBF01@hindu.org>
	<CC3FA1CA-5427-4EA7-B272-0AF5FDCB4130@major-k.de>
	<029D1DA4-DB03-4C0F-BBF6-20E828240F16@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <01D0C109-75BA-4927-89D9-B0DA7FB5425E@byu.edu>


On Feb 28, 2006, at 3:35 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote:
>

> The only caveat I discovered that there was some unknown  
> "condition" wherein the arc is drawn sans the radius lines... i.e  
> you get just a curved line..a simple arc...   but, if I draw an  
> oval manually and set it's arc angle one gets a complete "pie" cut  
> polygon shape. And now my script only creates the full pie shape..
>
> Can anyone tell us what determines whether full pie piece is drawn  
> or just the arc without radius lines?

Don't you just need to set the lineSize of the oval graphic to > 0 ?

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From mark at maseurope.net  Wed Mar  1 12:34:49 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 17:34:49 +0000
Subject: Counting Chars by ASCI Values
In-Reply-To: <C02AFD05.35738%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C02AFD05.35738%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E324C156-426C-4176-96EC-A3E911970F60@maseurope.net>

Jim's solution seems the best, but if the data is big, then the  
'number of items in (textStr & null)' seems to slow things down - I  
guess that textStr is being copied with the null char appended, and  
if it's big, that's a lot of work. I think it's therefore more  
efficient to test for char -1 of textStr being the char tested for,  
and if it is, then add 1 to the count. Also, shouldn't the count be  
'the number of items in textStr -1?

so I ended up with this:

on yetAnotherWay
   put fld 1 into tString
   repeat with n = 1 to 30
     if (n >= 10 AND n <=12) OR n = 29  then next repeat
     set the itemDelimiter to numToChar(n)
     put the number of items in tString -1 into tCount
     if char -1 of tString is numToChar(n) then add 1 to tCount
     put n & tab & tCount & cr after tList
   end repeat
   put tList into fld "chars"
end yetAnotherWay

this was just about twice as fast as "textStr & null" with 3  
megabytes of data.


Mark

On 1 Mar 2006, at 15:25, Jim Ault wrote:

> On 3/1/06 5:08 AM, "Cubist at aol.com" <Cubist at aol.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> In a message dated 2/28/06 6:20:02 PM, Todd Geist
>> <tg.lists at geistinteractive.com> writes:
>>> I need to count the number of times a Character occurs in text
>>> string. The character will be high or Low ASCII.  SO I need to input
>>> the value as an ASCII value.
>>>
>>> Anybody have any scripts that can get me started?
>>    The replies you've gotten thus far have used loops to  
>> explicitly count the
>> occurences of whatever-character-it-is. Here's a different way to  
>> do it,
>> using the "replace" function, which could be faster:
>>
>
> Actually, my original post used the following technique:
>
> set the itemDel to "?"
> get the number of items in (textStr & null)
>
> which does not require a repeat loop or replace or a function or
> establishing more variables.
>
> One post was done to show the precaution of counting any container for
> words, items, lines where the last to be counted was empty.
>
> The best implementation would be either:
> -- method 1 inline
> put the itemDel into prevDel
> set the itemDel to asciiChar
> get the number of items in (textStr & null)
> set the itemDel to prevDel
>
> ---method 2 function
> function getCharCount asciiChar
>    set the itemDel to asciiChar
>    return  the number of items in (textStr & null)
> end getCharCount
>
> --and now the itemDel does not have to reset
> put getCharCount("?") into howMany
>
> So many ways, so many choices :-)
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
>
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From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Wed Mar  1 12:41:10 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 09:41:10 -0800
Subject: Built-in Font Dialog?
Message-ID: <E9C372DC-B3B4-4D96-9BFD-3E6044931B7E@paraboliclogic.com>

Rev 2.6.1

Greetings,

Is there a built-in font dialog in Rev?  Or do I use fontnames to get  
a list and create my own font selection routine?

Thanks in advance,
-Garrett


From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Wed Mar  1 12:44:22 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 09:44:22 -0800
Subject: RGB to HEX
Message-ID: <B1402EFD-CEF1-4E0B-9849-6F7BB16ED6C5@paraboliclogic.com>

Rev 2.6.1

Greetings,

Is there a built-in function in Rev that will convert RGB color  
string to a HEX color string?  If no, does anyone know how to do  
this?  I knew how to do this in another language, but am at a loss as  
to how to work it out in Rev.

Thanks in advance,
-Garrett


From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Mar  1 12:49:07 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:49:07 +0100
Subject: Built-in Font Dialog?
In-Reply-To: <E9C372DC-B3B4-4D96-9BFD-3E6044931B7E@paraboliclogic.com>
References: <E9C372DC-B3B4-4D96-9BFD-3E6044931B7E@paraboliclogic.com>
Message-ID: <A3C3FD57-83ED-42C6-8E6D-4F4EA6018063@major-k.de>

HiGarrett,

> Rev 2.6.1
>
> Greetings,
>
> Is there a built-in font dialog in Rev?

No, but you can examine the Rev "Font" menu :-)

> Or do I use fontnames to get a list and create my own font  
> selection routine?

That's possible, too.

> Thanks in advance,
> -Garrett

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Mar  1 12:49:59 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:49:59 +0100
Subject: RGB to HEX
In-Reply-To: <B1402EFD-CEF1-4E0B-9849-6F7BB16ED6C5@paraboliclogic.com>
References: <B1402EFD-CEF1-4E0B-9849-6F7BB16ED6C5@paraboliclogic.com>
Message-ID: <05553B7E-E6D6-4A89-BA38-AB504DDD774D@major-k.de>

Hello again, Garrett .-)

> Rev 2.6.1
>
> Greetings,
>
> Is there a built-in function in Rev that will convert RGB color  
> string to a HEX color string?  If no, does anyone know how to do  
> this?  I knew how to do this in another language, but am at a loss  
> as to how to work it out in Rev.

Check the "baseconvert" command in the docs.
Pretty straightforward...

> Thanks in advance,
> -Garrett

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Wed Mar  1 12:52:05 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 09:52:05 -0800
Subject: ask dialog removes selectedChunk in field
Message-ID: <E720C0B9-FCF1-4CB5-AE12-318214AB8BB6@paraboliclogic.com>

Rev 2.6.1

Greetings,

When I use the ask dialog to get some user input on changing some  
hilighted text in a field, the ask dialog removes the focus from the  
field, thus losing the ability to use the selectedChunk after the  
dialog has been dismissed.

I did not know if there was any way within any of the properties to  
stop this, such as setting traversalOn, so I put the selectedChunk  
into a variable before the ask dialog.

Other than what I have done to resolve this, is there some property  
dealing with the ask dialog that might bypass the need to record the  
selectedChunk before the ask dialog?

Thanks,
-Garrett


From cmsheffield at gmail.com  Wed Mar  1 13:50:40 2006
From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 11:50:40 -0700
Subject: test
Message-ID: <5B27641B-E71B-4363-B4E1-E8B4C0E744E7@gmail.com>

This is a test.  Thanks for your time. :-)

------------------------------------------
Chris Sheffield
Read Naturally
The Fluency Company
http://www.readnaturally.com
------------------------------------------




From jerry at daniels-mara.com  Wed Mar  1 14:11:09 2006
From: jerry at daniels-mara.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:11:09 -0600
Subject: A Constellation problem-of my own making?
In-Reply-To: <C029FAD7.1D05%transcom@comcast.net>
References: <C029FAD7.1D05%transcom@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <96D20F5C-467A-40B1-B967-3DE4BA8B4978@daniels-mara.com>

Michael,

Chipp's answer is the one I'd recommend...set the loc of stack  
"revConstellation" to the screenLoc.

Like all windows, Constellation can be moved and resized via scripts  
or commands from the message box.

Best,

Jerry Daniels


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On Feb 28, 2006, at 3:04 PM, Michael Mandaville wrote:

> Revolutionaries,
>
> I installed version 2.7 along with Constellation.   However, when I  
> use
> Constellation, the interface sticks to the top of the screen,  
> covered up by
> the Revolution Toolbar Text and Toolbar Icons pallettes.   I might  
> have
> inadvertently hit a button on Constellation that locks it into place?
>
> The only way I can see the Constellation tabs is to turn off the  
> Revolution
> text and icon pallettes?
>
> Yoda?
>
> Thanks,
> Michael
>
>
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From katir at hindu.org  Wed Mar  1 14:47:43 2006
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 09:47:43 -1000
Subject: Pie Chart Algorithms?
In-Reply-To: <01D0C109-75BA-4927-89D9-B0DA7FB5425E@byu.edu>
References: <B9891259-9B25-417F-B3D3-F4B73DBBBF01@hindu.org>
	<CC3FA1CA-5427-4EA7-B272-0AF5FDCB4130@major-k.de>
	<029D1DA4-DB03-4C0F-BBF6-20E828240F16@hindu.org>
	<01D0C109-75BA-4927-89D9-B0DA7FB5425E@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <4D3A4646-59CE-4678-96A3-3ACD0F245D70@hindu.org>

Doing that only increased the size the arc line that was drawn. The  
two radius lines from the center out to the end of the arc, forming  
the pie did not always appear, sometimes yes, sometimes no...  but by  
setting the opaque on create oval to true then the background color  
appears whether or not the radius lines show or not.. so that works.  
I have to test some more. possible the opaque property is turning the  
radius lines off and on as well...

Now my next challenge is to get a list of points on the circumference  
of any circle.  I checked the mailing lists and can't find the  
algorithm or sample script that would do this. If anyone has the  
"professional" algorithm to do this please do post it... /H's chart  
stack is protected...

I'm working with setting a single radius at 3 o'clock and rotating  
this through 90 degrees using "revRotatePoly" and logging the end  
point on 90 iterations of 1 degree. And then I think I can use the  
relative values of this quadrant for the other three quadrants. But,  
I think this must be  horrible hack and that someone has a much  
"cleaner" way to get this list of pioints -- some very "cool" math  
function...

ON mouseUp
     put (the right of grc "BaseCircle" & "," & the height of grc  
"BaseCircle"/2+the top of grc "BaseCircle") into tVariablePosition
    put 1 into tIncrement
   set the points of grc "Line" to (the loc of grc "baseCircle",  
tVariablePosition)
   put line 2 of the points of grc "line" into tLoc
   repeat 90 times
      put tLoc & cr after fld "props" ## log the end point on each  
iteration
   set the points of grc "Line" to (the loc of grc "baseCircle",  
tVariablePosition)
   revRotatePoly the long id  of  grc "line",tIncrement
   put tIncrement +1 into tIncrement
   put line 2 of the points of grc "line" into tLoc
   set the loc of grc "littleBall" to tLoc
   end repeat

   END mouseup

result

628,364 (3 o'clock on this particular circle)
626,368
626,372
626,376
626,380
626,384
626,390
etc (90 lines of such points... from 3 o'clock to 6 o'clock --  
straight down)

OK set this aside for a while... it's something to work on when the  
brain needs a break from "real" work on a rainy day off...

Hopefully someone will come to my rescue by the time I try to carry  
this forward.

And a related issue: move grc "ball" to the points of grc "oval"  
doesn't do anything... oval's don't have any points (?) doesn't make  
sense to me: any line object on a screen is a series of pixels... how  
can it not have points?

Sivakatirswami






On Mar 01, 2006, at 7:33 AM, Devin Asay wrote:

>
> On Feb 28, 2006, at 3:35 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote:
>>
>
>> The only caveat I discovered that there was some unknown  
>> "condition" wherein the arc is drawn sans the radius lines... i.e  
>> you get just a curved line..a simple arc...   but, if I draw an  
>> oval manually and set it's arc angle one gets a complete "pie" cut  
>> polygon shape. And now my script only creates the full pie shape..
>>
>> Can anyone tell us what determines whether full pie piece is drawn  
>> or just the arc without radius lines?
>
> Don't you just need to set the lineSize of the oval graphic to > 0 ?
>
> Devin
>
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University
>
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  1 15:12:56 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 12:12:56 -0800
Subject: Counting Chars by ASCI Values
In-Reply-To: <E324C156-426C-4176-96EC-A3E911970F60@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <C02B4048.35792%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/1/06 9:34 AM, "Mark Smith" <mark at maseurope.net> wrote:

> Jim's solution seems the best, but if the data is big, then the
> 'number of items in (textStr & null)' seems to slow things down - I
> guess that textStr is being copied with the null char appended, and
> if it's big, that's a lot of work. I think it's therefore more
> efficient to test for char -1 of textStr being the char tested for,
> and if it is, then add 1 to the count. Also, shouldn't the count be
> 'the number of items in textStr -1?
> 
> so I ended up with this:
> 
> on yetAnotherWay
>    put fld 1 into tString
>    repeat with n = 1 to 30
>      if (n >= 10 AND n <=12) OR n = 29  then next repeat
>      set the itemDelimiter to numToChar(n)
>      put the number of items in tString -1 into tCount
>      if char -1 of tString is numToChar(n) then add 1 to tCount
>      put n & tab & tCount & cr after tList
>    end repeat
>    put tList into fld "chars"
> end yetAnotherWay
> 
> this was just about twice as fast as "textStr & null" with 3
> megabytes of data.
> 
I agree with Mark on the efficiency of the 'yetAnotherWay' on large text
blocks.
> Also, shouldn't the count be
> 'the number of items in textStr -1?
As I indicated in a previous post, it depends on what you are trying to
count when you use items a measure.

If the last char of a string is the asciiChar, then the number of items will
be one less than the true count, however, if null is appended, the count
will be equal to the true count.

If Todd's desired solution is to do just a count (but on more than one
asciiChar) then arrays+keys may be the best overall.

In addition, if the locations of the chars are important, that is another
story (eg. hiliting instances)

Good work, Mark.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From mark at maseurope.net  Wed Mar  1 15:35:20 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 20:35:20 +0000
Subject: Counting Chars by ASCI Values
In-Reply-To: <C02B4048.35792%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C02B4048.35792%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6981F58F-41E5-4255-8BA7-28ABE0079AA5@maseurope.net>

In this case, we're counting delimiters - not items, so it I'm sure  
it should be the number of items -1, unless we have a trailing  
delimiter, when the item count and delimiter count are the same,  
hence the need for "& null" or testing the last char.

This is how it seems to work on my setup (rev 2.7, Mac OS X):

1,2,3 = 3 items, 2 delimiters
,1,2,3 = 4 items (one empty), 3 delimiters
1,2,3, = 3 items, 3 delimiters - Rev doesn't count the implied empy  
item at the end.


Cheers,

Mark


On 1 Mar 2006, at 20:12, Jim Ault wrote:

>> Also, shouldn't the count be
>> 'the number of items in textStr -1?
> As I indicated in a previous post, it depends on what you are  
> trying to
> count when you use items a measure.
>
> If the last char of a string is the asciiChar, then the number of  
> items will
> be one less than the true count, however, if null is appended, the  
> count
> will be equal to the true count.



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  1 15:47:33 2006
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 12:47:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: XML Library and Windows
In-Reply-To: <095A6EBE-D7AC-4362-AB26-C3DC3691D1CE@curlypaws.com>
Message-ID: <20060301204733.85612.qmail@web60513.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Karen <Karen at curlypaws.com> wrote:
> Hi Jan,
> 
> Thanks very much for that, but as I'm building on
> the Mac only, I had  
> to use something that Trevor DeVore had previously
> suggested - 
>
<http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user/64387/match=set+external>

> 
> The problem I'm now having is that Quartam says it
> can't find the  
> report formats.  Is there some trick to the path to
> use for this in  
> Windows?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Karen
> 

Hi Karen,

Glad to hear you have found a way to get revXML into
working order -- let's hope the standalone builder
gets fixed in 2.7.1 so nobody else has to work around
it.

As for the report formats: when you refer to a file
using a relative path, the Rev engine starts to search
from the 'defaultFolder' -- when you fire up the Rev
IDE, this is the folder where the Rev application
resides.

In your standalone, it refers to the folder where your
standalone resides -- but there's a twist: on Windows,
this is the same directory as where the .exe file
lives ; but as MacOSX applications are actually
folders themselves (bundles of files), the
'defaultFolder' points to the folder _inside_ the
bundle where the actual executable file is hidden.

If your reports live in a subdirectory next to the
.app bundle, you have two options: change the
defaultFolder, or refer to these files by combining
the .app bundle location and the relative location of
your report format files.

A popular cross-platform function to get the
appropriate path was written by Richard Gaskin:
##
function AppPath
  put the filename of this stack into tPath
  set the itemdel to "/"
  If (IsOSX()) then
    get offset(".app/Contents/MacOS/", tPath)
    if it > 0 then -- 2.4.3 or later
      delete char it to len(tPath) of tPath
    end if
  end if
  delete last item of tPath
  return tPath &"/"
end AppPath

function IsOSX
  if the platform is not "MacOS" then return false
  get the systemversion
  set the itemdel to "."
  if item 1 of it >= 10 then return true
  return false
end IsOSX
##
(for a more complete explanation, go to:
<http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/file008.htm>)

So, armed with the function above, you can change the
path to the report layout file as follows:
##
on mouseUp
  -- prep all the variables
  put AppPath() & "reports/myreport.qrl" \
      into tLayoutPath
  put "MyDataStack" into tStackName
  put true into tPreviewFlag
  put "all" into tCardRange
  -- and print the data stack
  qrtReports_PrintReportFromStack \
      tLayoutPath,tStackName,tPreviewFlag,tCardRange
end mouseUp
##

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam Reports for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

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From robertum at brturbo.com  Wed Mar  1 15:49:08 2006
From: robertum at brturbo.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 17:49:08 -0300
Subject: [ANN] Brand NEW altBrowser2!!! Neat new capabilities.
Message-ID: <440608C4.3020802@brturbo.com>

Chipp:

VERY professional!
VERY impressive!

Of course, you know what I am going to remind you of next, don't you?

LINUX! LINUX! LINUX! LINUX! LINUX! LINUX! LINUX! LINUX! LINUX! LINUX! 
LINUX! LINUX! LINUX! LINUX! LINUX! LINUX! LINUX! LINUX! LINUX! LINUX!

Congratulations,
Bob



From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Mar  1 15:55:34 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 14:55:34 -0600
Subject: [ANN] Brand NEW altBrowser2!!! Neat new capabilities.
In-Reply-To: <440608C4.3020802@brturbo.com>
References: <440608C4.3020802@brturbo.com>
Message-ID: <44060A46.6000107@chipp.com>

Duly noted. We may even have something in the works for altBrowser3 ;-)

Bob Warren wrote:
> Chipp:
> 
> VERY professional!
> VERY impressive!
> 
> Of course, you know what I am going to remind you of next, don't you?
> 
> LINUX! LINUX! LINUX! LINUX! LINUX! LINUX! LINUX! LINUX! LINUX! LINUX! 
> LINUX! LINUX! LINUX! LINUX! LINUX! LINUX! LINUX! LINUX! LINUX! LINUX!
> 
> Congratulations,
> Bob
> 
> 
> 

-- 
--------------
Chipp Walters
www.altuit.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Mar  1 16:04:22 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 15:04:22 -0600
Subject: Recovering a corrupt file
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0603011015070.16680@vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu>
References: <20060301151303.DEF70825669@mail.runrev.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.58.0603011015070.16680@vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <44060C56.7050909@hyperactivesw.com>

Marty Billingsley wrote:
> Hi --
> 
> Any hints on recovering a corrupted Rev file?  We're using 2.6 on Mac OS
> 10.4.3 and saving files to a Sun workstation that emulates a Mac server by
> using a program called xinet.  Anyway, when a student's quota is exceeded
> on the server, there is no error message when his RR stack is saved;
> however it is corrupt when the student tries to open the stack the next
> day.  By corrupt, I mean that RR won't even begin to open it.
> 
> One of my students just lost a couple of weeks of work. I can use vi or
> emacs to directly edit the RR file if I know what to go and fix.  Any
> pointers to documentation that might help me?

I haven't checked in a long time, but the last time I asked about this I 
was told that you can't edit a stack file in a text editor, because then 
the checksum won't match.

Is there a second file on the server that starts with a tilde(~)? That 
would be the original backup copy that Rev makes before saving. In that 
case, all you have to do is remove the tilde from the file name and the 
old copy will be restored. You'll lose all the changes since the last 
save, but at least your student will have the original back.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Mar  1 16:11:03 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 15:11:03 -0600
Subject: ask dialog removes selectedChunk in field
In-Reply-To: <E720C0B9-FCF1-4CB5-AE12-318214AB8BB6@paraboliclogic.com>
References: <E720C0B9-FCF1-4CB5-AE12-318214AB8BB6@paraboliclogic.com>
Message-ID: <44060DE7.5080708@hyperactivesw.com>

Garrett Hylltun wrote:

> When I use the ask dialog to get some user input on changing some  
> hilighted text in a field, the ask dialog removes the focus from the  
> field, thus losing the ability to use the selectedChunk after the  
> dialog has been dismissed.
> 
> I did not know if there was any way within any of the properties to  
> stop this, such as setting traversalOn, so I put the selectedChunk  into 
> a variable before the ask dialog.
> 
> Other than what I have done to resolve this, is there some property  
> dealing with the ask dialog that might bypass the need to record the  
> selectedChunk before the ask dialog?

I think you've solved the problem in the best way. When a dialog is 
shown, the focus is removed from the original stack and the selection is 
lost; the workaround is exactly what you've done.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Mar  1 16:33:50 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 15:33:50 -0600
Subject: Do you want to save changes to this stack ..... ?
In-Reply-To: <112a56923d0ce1f98ca54fe165d7dc3a@wanadoo.fr>
References: <112a56923d0ce1f98ca54fe165d7dc3a@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <4406133E.7020406@hyperactivesw.com>

Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:

> Questions :
> 
> 1 - Under what conditions does Revolution ask me the question "Do you 
> want to save the changes ", or more simply, what constitutes "a change" 
> ? The answer once seemed clear to me, but maybe there are things I don't 
> know ! As an example, if I change the contents of a field, I get the 
> request to save, but if I change the labels from English to French (by 
> buttons), I don't get the request to save. Yet I made modifications to 
> the stack ! And when I execute the stack again, label modifications have 
> been lost. Curiouser and Curiouser !

The state of the stack is tracked by the IDE, not by the engine. 
Revolution, in general, considers a change to be anything you do 
manually that alters the content of the stack: creating an object, 
changing the text of a field by typing into it, changing an object's 
properties by using the inspector, etc. Changes that your own scripts 
make to a stack are not caught by the IDE. Therefore, if you change the 
label in the inspector, Rev notices. If you change the label from a 
script in a button, Rev does not notice.

In other words, if any of your own scripts make changes, the IDE cannot 
see them. The engine doesn't pay attention to changes; only the IDE does 
that.

> 
> 2 - Are the conditions the same under Stack Runner ?

No. StackRunner has no change-tracking in it at all. It won't notice any 
changes you make, whether they are manual or scripted, and it never asks 
if you want to save.

> 
> And the most important question :
> 
> 3 - If I consider that I have made no changes, and Revolution doesn't 
> agree, can I bypass the "Do you want to save?" request (maybe there is a 
> gREV global that I can tinker with) ?

There probably is a global or a property, but I don't know offhand what 
it is called. Someone else may have looked into it.

You could avoid the problem by just writing your own "save" handler and 
calling that before closing the stack, but it isn't as automatic as you 
probably want.

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From pastranadigital at gmail.com  Wed Mar  1 16:36:18 2006
From: pastranadigital at gmail.com (benjamin pastrana)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 17:36:18 -0400
Subject: Controlling Quicktime frames
Message-ID: <2f5455550603011336o324d7b8dl9d576f8c69bec4fb@mail.gmail.com>

hello!

I exported a PowerPoint presentation
of an educational slideshow which
I imported to Revolution but I can't
find the proper scripts to
Play the Quicktime frame by frame.

I want to create 3 buttons:
BTN1: Play next frame and stop
BTN2:Play previous frame and Stop
BTN3:Rewind quicktime to frame 1

Have anyone done that? any help?

Thanks!

Ben


From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Wed Mar  1 16:47:49 2006
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 15:47:49 -0600
Subject: Controlling Quicktime frames
In-Reply-To: <2f5455550603011336o324d7b8dl9d576f8c69bec4fb@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <2f5455550603011336o324d7b8dl9d576f8c69bec4fb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060301154349.2a9fcd70@exchange.slg.com>

You could use the currentTime setting to step through a QT movie.  If there 
is no interaction, and you're just displaying a static frame, all you would 
need is something like this:

on NextFrame
         put the currentTime of player "Power Point" into tCurrentTime
         add tTheAppropriateTime to tCurrentTime
         set the currentTime of player "Power Point" to tCurrentTime
end NextFrame

etc.

You will have to figure out what tTheAppropriateTime is.  I'm not sure how 
PowerPoint exports to QT.

At 03:36 PM 3/1/2006, you wrote:
>hello!
>
>I exported a PowerPoint presentation
>of an educational slideshow which
>I imported to Revolution but I can't
>find the proper scripts to
>Play the Quicktime frame by frame.
>
>I want to create 3 buttons:
>BTN1: Play next frame and stop
>BTN2:Play previous frame and Stop
>BTN3:Rewind quicktime to frame 1
>
>Have anyone done that? any help?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Ben
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From pastranadigital at gmail.com  Wed Mar  1 17:02:37 2006
From: pastranadigital at gmail.com (benjamin pastrana)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:02:37 -0400
Subject: Paypal Solution?
Message-ID: <2f5455550603011402v168999ebhdccc74b8be49c9a9@mail.gmail.com>

I read about the Altuit software that
incorporates Paypal with revolution
but I wonder if there is any other
as a component and not as part of
a whole system.

I would like to create a stack with
some articles to sell and have a
paypal button to process the payment.

thanks!

Ben


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  1 17:15:39 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 14:15:39 -0800
Subject: Counting Chars by ASCI Values
In-Reply-To: <6981F58F-41E5-4255-8BA7-28ABE0079AA5@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <C02B5D0B.357B5%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

correct.


On 3/1/06 12:35 PM, "Mark Smith" <mark at maseurope.net> wrote:

> In this case, we're counting delimiters - not items, so it I'm sure
> it should be the number of items -1, unless we have a trailing
> delimiter, when the item count and delimiter count are the same,
> hence the need for "& null" or testing the last char.
> 
> This is how it seems to work on my setup (rev 2.7, Mac OS X):
> 
> 1,2,3 = 3 items, 2 delimiters
> ,1,2,3 = 4 items (one empty), 3 delimiters
> 1,2,3, = 3 items, 3 delimiters - Rev doesn't count the implied empy
> item at the end.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> On 1 Mar 2006, at 20:12, Jim Ault wrote:
> 
>>> Also, shouldn't the count be
>>> 'the number of items in textStr -1?
>> As I indicated in a previous post, it depends on what you are
>> trying to
>> count when you use items a measure.
>> 
>> If the last char of a string is the asciiChar, then the number of
>> items will
>> be one less than the true count, however, if null is appended, the
>> count
>> will be equal to the true count.
> 
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From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Mar  1 17:32:24 2006
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 22:32:24 +0000
Subject: Pie Chart Algorithms?
In-Reply-To: <4D3A4646-59CE-4678-96A3-3ACD0F245D70@hindu.org>
References: <B9891259-9B25-417F-B3D3-F4B73DBBBF01@hindu.org>	<CC3FA1CA-5427-4EA7-B272-0AF5FDCB4130@major-k.de>	<029D1DA4-DB03-4C0F-BBF6-20E828240F16@hindu.org>	<01D0C109-75BA-4927-89D9-B0DA7FB5425E@byu.edu>
	<4D3A4646-59CE-4678-96A3-3ACD0F245D70@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <440620F8.1050006@tweedly.net>

Sivakatirswami wrote:

> Now my next challenge is to get a list of points on the circumference  
> of any circle.  I checked the mailing lists and can't find the  
> algorithm or sample script that would do this. If anyone has the  
> "professional" algorithm to do this please do post it... /H's chart  
> stack is protected...
>
Not professional, but maybe "interested amateur" :-)
(this returns floating point numbers - remember to convert to integers 
before using as points of a polygon or similar)

on mouseUp
  put getPoints(100,100,10) after msg
end mouseUp
 
function getPoints xc, yc, rad
  --  returns a list of points on the circumference of a circle
  -- centered at xc,yc with radius rad
 
  repeat with i = 0 to 90
    put  xc+ rad*sinInDegrees(i), yc+rad*cosInDegrees(i) & CR after tResult
  end repeat
  return tResult
end getPoints


function cosInDegrees angleInDegrees
  return cos(angleInDegrees * pi / 180)
end cosInDegrees


function sinInDegrees angleInDegrees
  return sin(angleInDegrees * pi / 180)
end sinInDegrees


>
> And a related issue: move grc "ball" to the points of grc "oval"  
> doesn't do anything... oval's don't have any points (?) doesn't make  
> sense to me: any line object on a screen is a series of pixels... how  
> can it not have points?
>
Polygons are defined by a set of points
Ovals are defined by a centre and radius (or radii)

When either of them is drawn, some pixels are coloured in; in the case 
of a polygon, far more pixels will be coloured in than are in "the 
points" of the poly.



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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Wed Mar  1 17:38:29 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 08:38:29 +1000
Subject: RGB to HEX
In-Reply-To: <B1402EFD-CEF1-4E0B-9849-6F7BB16ED6C5@paraboliclogic.com>
References: <B1402EFD-CEF1-4E0B-9849-6F7BB16ED6C5@paraboliclogic.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603011438m7793cbadg76410f3d721cb9d7@mail.gmail.com>

> Is there a built-in function in Rev that will convert RGB color
> string to a HEX color string?  If no, does anyone know how to do
> this?  I knew how to do this in another language, but am at a loss as
> to how to work it out in Rev.


No built-in command, but it can be scripted. You might like to check
out Eric Chatonet's Color Picker, which you can find on this page:
<http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/?r=revolution&l=en>

Cheers,
Sarah


From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Mar  1 17:41:52 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 16:41:52 -0600
Subject: Paypal Solution?
In-Reply-To: <2f5455550603011402v168999ebhdccc74b8be49c9a9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2f5455550603011402v168999ebhdccc74b8be49c9a9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44062330.1090107@chipp.com>

Hi Ben,

It's not Altuit which has this particular solution. I believe it's Tom 
McCarthy who you may be referring to.

In anycase, he has some info about using PayPal with Rev at:
http://www.discamus.com/nunc/how/PayPal_setup2.html

benjamin pastrana wrote:
> I read about the Altuit software that
> incorporates Paypal with revolution
> but I wonder if there is any other
> as a component and not as part of
> a whole system.



From europe at ehug.info  Wed Mar  1 18:31:13 2006
From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 00:31:13 +0100
Subject: Paypal Solution?
In-Reply-To: <2f5455550603011402v168999ebhdccc74b8be49c9a9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2f5455550603011402v168999ebhdccc74b8be49c9a9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44062EC1.4000006@ehug.info>

Hi Ben,

If your main goal is to sell something, you might want to have a 
look at the Salery web store software at 
http://www.salery.biz/salery.html. It creates web pages for all 
products in the store with on every page a PayPal button for 
that particular product.

Best,

Mark

benjamin pastrana wrote:
> I read about the Altuit software that
> incorporates Paypal with revolution
> but I wonder if there is any other
> as a component and not as part of
> a whole system.
> 
> I would like to create a stack with
> some articles to sell and have a
> paypal button to process the payment.
> 
> thanks!
> 
> Ben
>

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From dave2245 at hotmail.co.uk  Wed Mar  1 18:43:04 2006
From: dave2245 at hotmail.co.uk (David Lewis)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 23:43:04 +0000
Subject: Paypal Solution?
In-Reply-To: <44062EC1.4000006@ehug.info>
Message-ID: <BAY109-F32E26F0D34E6B7BEE2A0C385F40@phx.gbl>

no intersted do not sell anthing


>From: Mark Schonewille <europe at ehug.info>
>Reply-To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>Subject: Re: Paypal Solution?
>Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 00:31:13 +0100
>
>Hi Ben,
>
>If your main goal is to sell something, you might want to have a look at 
>the Salery web store software at http://www.salery.biz/salery.html. It 
>creates web pages for all products in the store with on every page a PayPal 
>button for that particular product.
>
>Best,
>
>Mark
>
>benjamin pastrana wrote:
>>I read about the Altuit software that
>>incorporates Paypal with revolution
>>but I wonder if there is any other
>>as a component and not as part of
>>a whole system.
>>
>>I would like to create a stack with
>>some articles to sell and have a
>>paypal button to process the payment.
>>
>>thanks!
>>
>>Ben
>>
>
>--
>
>Consultant and Software Engineer
>mailto:m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com
>http://www.economy-x-talk.com
>
>eHUG coordinator
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From rob at rjltech.com  Wed Mar  1 19:37:02 2006
From: rob at rjltech.com (Robert J. Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:37:02 -0600
Subject: test
In-Reply-To: <5B27641B-E71B-4363-B4E1-E8B4C0E744E7@gmail.com>
References: <5B27641B-E71B-4363-B4E1-E8B4C0E744E7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0CAE878B-A376-4A96-AC0D-5D023826245B@rjltech.com>

Was it a successful test? ;-)

Robert


On Mar 1, 2006, at 12:50 PM, Chris Sheffield wrote:

> This is a test.  Thanks for your time. :-)
>
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From liamlambert at mac.com  Wed Mar  1 19:43:24 2006
From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 00:43:24 +0000
Subject: repeat repeat
Message-ID: <EE22B57A-9820-4B52-AA9E-11B721BFA08C@mac.com>

My fld "seatNo" has more than one line or item
I want to repeat the code below for each line or item


on mouseUp
   put fld "seatNo" into tseatNo
  repeat with x = 1 to the number of buttons
  if tseatNo = the label of button x then
       set the backgroundcolor of  button x to red
   end if
   end repeat
     end mouseUp

Liam Lambert
liamlambert at mac.com
IRELAND




From john at debraneys.com  Wed Mar  1 19:45:13 2006
From: john at debraneys.com (john at debraneys.com)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 00:45:13 +0000
Subject: Paypal Solution?
Message-ID: <W60206452462741141260313@webmail22>

Hi Ben,
I had the impression that once you have a paypal vendor account you would just need to provide a button to open a URL straight to your payment page. Then you maintain a list of the product (that are in your rev stack) at your paypal vendor page.
Maybe there is more to it thaan I think...
Good luck
John

>-----Original Message-----
>From: David Lewis [mailto:dave2245 at hotmail.co.uk]
>Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2006 06:43 PM
>To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>Subject: Re: Paypal Solution?
>
>no intersted do not sell anthing
>
>
>>From: Mark Schonewille <europe at ehug.info>
>>Reply-To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>>To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>>Subject: Re: Paypal Solution?
>>Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 00:31:13 +0100
>>
>>Hi Ben,
>>
>>If your main goal is to sell something, you might want to have a look at 
>>the Salery web store software at http://www.salery.biz/salery.html. It 
>>creates web pages for all products in the store with on every page a PayPal 
>>button for that particular product.
>>
>>Best,
>>
>>Mark
>>
>>benjamin pastrana wrote:
>>>I read about the Altuit software that
>>>incorporates Paypal with revolution
>>>but I wonder if there is any other
>>>as a component and not as part of
>>>a whole system.
>>>
>>>I would like to create a stack with
>>>some articles to sell and have a
>>>paypal button to process the payment.
>>>
>>>thanks!
>>>
>>>Ben
>>>
>>
>>--
>>
>>Consultant and Software Engineer
>>mailto:m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com
>>http://www.economy-x-talk.com
>>
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From europe at ehug.info  Wed Mar  1 19:54:30 2006
From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 01:54:30 +0100
Subject: repeat repeat
In-Reply-To: <EE22B57A-9820-4B52-AA9E-11B721BFA08C@mac.com>
References: <EE22B57A-9820-4B52-AA9E-11B721BFA08C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <44064246.3070409@ehug.info>

Hi Liam,

Assuming that your original code does not cause any errors, the 
following should work, although I didn't test it:

on mouseUp
   repeat for each item myLabel in fld "seatNo"
     repeat with x = 1 to the number of buttons
       if myLabel is the label of btn x then
         set the backgroundColor of btn x to red
       end if
     end repeat
   end repeat
end mouseUp

Instead of "item myLabel" you could also use "line myLabel".

Best,

Mark


liamlambert wrote:
> My fld "seatNo" has more than one line or item
> I want to repeat the code below for each line or item
> 
> 
> on mouseUp
>   put fld "seatNo" into tseatNo
>  repeat with x = 1 to the number of buttons
>  if tseatNo = the label of button x then
>       set the backgroundcolor of  button x to red
>   end if
>   end repeat
>     end mouseUp
> 
> Liam Lambert
> liamlambert at mac.com
> IRELAND

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From liamlambert at mac.com  Wed Mar  1 20:04:38 2006
From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 01:04:38 +0000
Subject: repeat repeat
Message-ID: <73EF9CB9-D68B-4868-B04C-914592BA3966@mac.com>

Thank You Mark
that works fine
Liam Lambert
liamlambert at mac.com
IRELAND




From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Wed Mar  1 20:07:21 2006
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 17:07:21 -0800
Subject: repeat repeat
In-Reply-To: <EE22B57A-9820-4B52-AA9E-11B721BFA08C@mac.com>
References: <EE22B57A-9820-4B52-AA9E-11B721BFA08C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <A391A850-7607-4B03-A623-A0942827BA0E@cruzio.com>

on mouseUp
   put fld "seatNo" into tseatNo
   repeat for each line y in tSeatNo
     repeat with x = 1 to the number of buttons
       if y = the label of button x then
         set the backgroundcolor of  button x to y
       end if
     end repeat
   end repeat
end mouseUp


Something like the above might work.  Hope this helps.
Mark
On Mar 1, 2006, at 4:43 PM, liamlambert wrote:

> My fld "seatNo" has more than one line or item
> I want to repeat the code below for each line or item
>
>
> on mouseUp
>   put fld "seatNo" into tseatNo
>  repeat with x = 1 to the number of buttons
>  if tseatNo = the label of button x then
>       set the backgroundcolor of  button x to red
>   end if
>   end repeat
>     end mouseUp
>
> Liam Lambert
> liamlambert at mac.com
> IRELAND
>
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From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Wed Mar  1 20:43:50 2006
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 17:43:50 -0800
Subject: repeat repeat
In-Reply-To: <44064246.3070409@ehug.info>
Message-ID: <C02B8DD6.17D4A%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

If speed matters, you could avoid nesting the loops.

on mouseUp
  repeat with i = 1 to number of buttons
    put i into tArray[the label of button i]
  end repeat
  repeat for each item tSeatNo in field "seatNo"
    set the backgroundColor of button tArray[tSeatNo] to "red"
  end repeat
end mouseUp

-- Dick



On 3/1/06 4:54 PM, "Mark Schonewille" <europe at ehug.info> wrote:

> Hi Liam,
> 
> Assuming that your original code does not cause any errors, the
> following should work, although I didn't test it:
> 
> on mouseUp
>    repeat for each item myLabel in fld "seatNo"
>      repeat with x = 1 to the number of buttons
>        if myLabel is the label of btn x then
>          set the backgroundColor of btn x to red
>        end if
>      end repeat
>    end repeat
> end mouseUp
> 
> Instead of "item myLabel" you could also use "line myLabel".
> 
> Best,
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> liamlambert wrote:
>> My fld "seatNo" has more than one line or item
>> I want to repeat the code below for each line or item
>> 
>> 
>> on mouseUp
>>   put fld "seatNo" into tseatNo
>>  repeat with x = 1 to the number of buttons
>>  if tseatNo = the label of button x then
>>       set the backgroundcolor of  button x to red
>>   end if
>>   end repeat
>>     end mouseUp
>> 
>> Liam Lambert
>> liamlambert at mac.com
>> IRELAND




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Mar  1 21:53:58 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 20:53:58 -0600
Subject: strange menu behavior
In-Reply-To: <350E5B6B-0EA4-4452-AC1F-EC99CBE5847D@gmail.com>
References: <350E5B6B-0EA4-4452-AC1F-EC99CBE5847D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44065E46.4080400@hyperactivesw.com>

Chris Sheffield wrote:
> I've found what I think is a bug of some kind, but I wanted to ask  here 
> to see if someone else has run into anything like this, and to  see if 
> maybe it's something I'm doing.
> 
> I've got an application that uses a splash screen method.  The main  
> stack opens and the user has to enter his password to continue.  This  
> main stack has its own menu, which includes File -> Quit with Ctrl-Q  
> set as the shortcut.  After entering a password and logging in  
> successfully, another stack opens.  This stack has its own menu,  which 
> also includes File -> Quit with Ctrl-Q as its shortcut.  When  hitting 
> ctrl-Q from this second stack, it should close the stack and  return to 
> the main login screen.  Unfortunately, it's exiting the  application 
> completely.  I believe what's happening is hitting ctrl-Q  in the second 
> stack is triggering the menu item in the first stack,  which *is* 
> supposed to exit the application completely.  I've found  that if I 
> access the menu in the second stack by just clicking File,  then ctrl-Q 
> works correctly. It's almost as if the menu in the second  stack is not 
> loading or coming to the front or whatever until it is  accessed in some 
> way with an actual click of the mouse.
> 
> Anyone have any ideas?  Have I found a bug of some kind, or could  there 
> possibly be something I'm doing?

Depending on your setup, it might be a message hierarchy thing. On Macs, 
the menubar property of a stack puts the menu into the OS menu space and 
keyboard shortcuts are sent there first. There isn't any other menu 
available, since only one can be active at a time. Whatever menu group a 
stack contains will get first crack at keyboard events.

On Windows there is no global menu bar, and the menu functions as a 
group on the card. Keyboard events are sent to the card and, if the 
stack is a substack, the event passes through to the main stack.

If your menu group in the main stack has backgroundBehavior set to true, 
but the menu group on the substack does not, then the main stack's menu 
group would catch the event. Check to see if your substack's menu group 
has backgroundBehavior set to true. If it does then maybe you did find a 
bug.

One workaround would be for your quit handler to check whether the 
mainstack was the topstack, and only quit if it is.

   One extra piece of  information is
> that I am changing the menu items of this File menu in  the preOpenStack 
> handler of the second stack, dependent on a couple  different 
> conditions.  Not sure if that would have anything to do  with it or 
> not.  This problem only occurs under Windows, btw.  On the  Mac the 
> behavior is exactly how I want it.
> 
> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Chris
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------
> Chris Sheffield
> Read Naturally
> The Fluency Company
> http://www.readnaturally.com
> ------------------------------------------
> 
> 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Wed Mar  1 22:07:31 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 13:07:31 +1000
Subject: strange menu behavior
In-Reply-To: <350E5B6B-0EA4-4452-AC1F-EC99CBE5847D@gmail.com>
References: <350E5B6B-0EA4-4452-AC1F-EC99CBE5847D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603011907w1fd92c98x6c76616304e4fea2@mail.gmail.com>

> I've got an application that uses a splash screen method.  The main
> stack opens and the user has to enter his password to continue.  This
> main stack has its own menu, which includes File -> Quit with Ctrl-Q
> set as the shortcut.  After entering a password and logging in
> successfully, another stack opens.  This stack has its own menu,
> which also includes File -> Quit with Ctrl-Q as its shortcut.  When
> hitting ctrl-Q from this second stack, it should close the stack and
> return to the main login screen.  Unfortunately, it's exiting the
> application completely.  I believe what's happening is hitting ctrl-Q
> in the second stack is triggering the menu item in the first stack,
> which *is* supposed to exit the application completely.  I've found
> that if I access the menu in the second stack by just clicking File,
> then ctrl-Q works correctly. It's almost as if the menu in the second
> stack is not loading or coming to the front or whatever until it is
> accessed in some way with an actual click of the mouse.

This doesn't really answer your problem, but as a user-interface
issue, if I selected Quit or pressed Ctrl-Q, I would expect the app to
quit. Anything else would feel wrong. How about having a "Logout" menu
item instead as this would seem to be a better indication of the
function of that particular menu item?

Cheers,
Sarah


From tg.lists at geistinteractive.com  Wed Mar  1 23:05:31 2006
From: tg.lists at geistinteractive.com (Todd Geist)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 20:05:31 -0800
Subject: Counting Chars By ASCII Part 2
In-Reply-To: <98CC19A6-81B0-41BB-9675-FFDB4DD97ED3@maseurope.net>
References: <C02AFF1D.3573B%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<98CC19A6-81B0-41BB-9675-FFDB4DD97ED3@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <D5BDF177-E0A4-4276-94D3-ADB0C115CDA0@geistinteractive.com>

Sorry for not getting back to answer questions.

I am moving my office and I cut the tip of my index finger off.  Just  
a little bit of the tip. But it makes typing very difficult  :>)

Here are the answers to a couple of questions...

My script can do 25 mb in a minute or two, but I had not been using  
unicode set to true, which I will need to do.

I want to display the list of these bad characters, then I will want  
to remove them.

I am not sure if I need to deal with character higher then 255.  I am  
trying to clean potentially corrupt data from database records.  I  
think chars greater then 255 will be possible, and bad. So If they  
are there I want to zap them.


Thanks for all the help

:>)

Todd




-- 

Todd Geist
______________________________________
g e i s t   i n t e r a c t i v e



From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Mar  2 04:30:45 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:30:45 +0100
Subject: Controlling Quicktime frames
In-Reply-To: <2f5455550603011336o324d7b8dl9d576f8c69bec4fb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2f5455550603011336o324d7b8dl9d576f8c69bec4fb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <089E5F2A-EF89-4FCE-8F83-FE2C567653F3@major-k.de>

Buongirono Benjamin,

> hello!
>
> I exported a PowerPoint presentation
> of an educational slideshow which
> I imported to Revolution but I can't
> find the proper scripts to
> Play the Quicktime frame by frame.
>
> I want to create 3 buttons:
> BTN1: Play next frame and stop
> BTN2:Play previous frame and Stop
> BTN3:Rewind quicktime to frame 1
>
> Have anyone done that? any help?

I have not done this (yet) but you can use Trevor De Vores extermely
wonderful "Enhanced QuickTime External" to retrieve the necessary
informations to do what Peter T. Evenson kindly suggested :-)

Get it here:
http://www.bluemangolearning.com/developer/revolution/enhancedqt.php

Although it is 1.0.0 b8 it works very fine!

For 1. and 2. you can use:

qtGetMovieFileDuration( )

which returns something like this for a movie:
76800,600 = the number of frames in QT timescale, the QT timescale of  
the movie

And:
qtgettrackframecount( )  = the number of frames in the movie

Then you can calculate the info about how much you will have to add/ 
subtract
to/from "the currentTime of player xyz" to step frame by frame.

3.
...
set the currentTime of player xyz to 0
## The first frame in a movie = 0
...


Hope that helps.

> Thanks!
>
> Ben

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From cmsheffield at gmail.com  Thu Mar  2 10:18:34 2006
From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 08:18:34 -0700
Subject: [ANN] Brand NEW altBrowser2!!! Neat new capabilities.
In-Reply-To: <44054518.6060606@chipp.com>
References: <44054518.6060606@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <F930718D-24FA-4551-A4B1-AB5015642216@gmail.com>

Chipp,

Congratulations on the new release.  I look forward to checking it out.

Hey, I'm sorry to bother the list with this, but I've been trying to  
get ahold of you with a ButtonGadget issue and haven't been  
successful.  Not sure if my e-mails are not getting to you or yours  
are not getting to me or what.  Could you contact me off-list when  
you have a moment?

Thanks,
Chris


On Feb 28, 2006, at 11:54 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Just thought you all would be the first to know!
> From the website:
> http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altBrowserCover/default.htm
>
> New promotional pricing available for a limited time.
>
> -----------------------------------
> Completely new version of altBrowser for Mac and PC. New features  
> include:
>
> ? Embed a fully functional browser substack in your current  
> application with a single click. No more fussing with libraries as  
> the substack is completely self-contained.
> ? Brand new DEMO tutorial stack walks you through setting up  
> altBrowser and it's functions. Also, updates existing externals and  
> itself!
> ? New browser substack streamlined for ease of use and ease of  
> customization. The new simplified scripts are documented well and  
> easily modified.
> ? Now, for the first time, altBrowser can have multiple instances?  
> each with their own browser ID! You can create your own tabbed  
> browser if you like!
> ? Multiple enhancements and fixes from previous versions of  
> altBrowser. No more jumping through hoops to set the external. Mac  
> and PC versions are more alike than ever before.
> ? Mac version now automatically loads PDF and Flash documents.
>
> It will only take 5 minutes to make you a believer in altBrowser2!
>
> Check out our demo stack. It shows you step-by-step how easy it is  
> to add a REAL BROWSER to your Rev project. There are demonstrations  
> for Flash, PDF, and even an embedded fancy AJAX/Javascript app  
> (you'll have to see to believe!;-).
>
> To view the demo, all you have to do is launch Revolution and and  
> copy and paste the below script into your message box:
>
> go URL "http://www.gadgetplugins.com/altbrowser/ 
> altBrowserLauncher.rev"
>
> then hit enter. Please be patient while the demo stack loads. Once  
> loaded, you may wish to save it. Then just follow the instructions  
> and you're on your way to finding out all about the new altBrowser2!
>
> Don't worry, the Demo stack will install all the externals necessary!
>
> ---------------------------
>
> best,
>
> Chipp
>
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Read Naturally
The Fluency Company
http://www.readnaturally.com
------------------------------------------




From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Thu Mar  2 10:28:04 2006
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 07:28:04 -0800
Subject: [ANN] Brand NEW altBrowser2!!! Neat new capabilities.
In-Reply-To: <44054518.6060606@chipp.com>
References: <44054518.6060606@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <8B4AE74E-0822-49BF-A0F3-4CE009C759E3@inspiredlogic.com>


On Feb 28, 2006, at 10:54 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Check out our demo stack. It shows you step-by-step how easy it is  
> to add a REAL BROWSER to your Rev project. There are demonstrations  
> for Flash, PDF, and even an embedded fancy AJAX/Javascript app  
> (you'll have to see to believe!;-).

My first look wasn't for your embedded app, but Google Maps. It seems  
to work, so I'm satisfied. That's amazing stuff.

gc


From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Thu Mar  2 11:20:11 2006
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:20:11 -0500
Subject: Table Inspector
Message-ID: <4D018EB6-5B69-400A-A12A-556011F0606A@videotron.ca>

Hello everyone,

	Why is it that the Table Inspector in the property palette so often  
causes Revolution to freeze?  Makes setting tab stops a real drag.

	Gregory


From cmsheffield at gmail.com  Thu Mar  2 11:40:56 2006
From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 09:40:56 -0700
Subject: strange menu behavior
In-Reply-To: <44065E46.4080400@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <350E5B6B-0EA4-4452-AC1F-EC99CBE5847D@gmail.com>
	<44065E46.4080400@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <6923E0B7-49D2-487D-B06C-63D214F7F7ED@gmail.com>

Hi Jacque,

Thanks for the suggestions.  Unfortunately the menu group of both  
stacks does have the backgroundBehavior set to true.

I've done a little more investigating and this is what I've found.   
When the second stack first opens, it is not even getting set as the  
topStack or the defaultStack.  So unfortunately your workaround  
doesn't even work.  I've even tried setting it to the defaultStack  
explicitly without success.  I've found that once I click on my File  
menu (just to activate the menu, but not actually click Quit) then  
the topStack and defaultStack are set correctly, which would explain  
why ctrl-Q works at this point.  So there is definitely something  
strange going on.  This behavior occurs both in the Rev IDE and in a  
built standalone.

Can you, or anyone else for that matter, think of any reason why  
topStack and defaultStack would not get set correctly?  What's  
strange is I have another stack that opens the same way and it works  
just fine.  I've compared the properties between the two stacks,  
their menu groups, and even the File button within their menu groups  
to see if anything is different.  Everything is the same other than  
things like the layers of the objects.

Any other ideas?  This one has me stumped, but I figure it's got to  
be something I've done because the other stack does work like I said.

Thanks again,
Chris


On Mar 1, 2006, at 7:53 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>
> Depending on your setup, it might be a message hierarchy thing. On  
> Macs, the menubar property of a stack puts the menu into the OS  
> menu space and keyboard shortcuts are sent there first. There isn't  
> any other menu available, since only one can be active at a time.  
> Whatever menu group a stack contains will get first crack at  
> keyboard events.
>
> On Windows there is no global menu bar, and the menu functions as a  
> group on the card. Keyboard events are sent to the card and, if the  
> stack is a substack, the event passes through to the main stack.
>
> If your menu group in the main stack has backgroundBehavior set to  
> true, but the menu group on the substack does not, then the main  
> stack's menu group would catch the event. Check to see if your  
> substack's menu group has backgroundBehavior set to true. If it  
> does then maybe you did find a bug.
>
> One workaround would be for your quit handler to check whether the  
> mainstack was the topstack, and only quit if it is.
>
>
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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------------------------------------------
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Read Naturally
The Fluency Company
http://www.readnaturally.com
------------------------------------------




From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Mar  2 11:53:05 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 17:53:05 +0100
Subject: Table Inspector
In-Reply-To: <4D018EB6-5B69-400A-A12A-556011F0606A@videotron.ca>
References: <4D018EB6-5B69-400A-A12A-556011F0606A@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <7B37C9AF-0E40-48A8-9910-93A4FDDA59D3@major-k.de>

Hi Gregory,

> Hello everyone,
>
> 	Why is it that the Table Inspector in the property palette so  
> often causes Revolution to freeze?  Makes setting tab stops a real  
> drag.

good question, i just experienced that on windows, too.

Had some content in a field and only wanted to add some tabstops,  
selected "Table"
from the optionbutton (when will be have another choice to select the  
different options
for objects? That optionbuttonis just too unhandy!) and BOOM, Rev  
freezed, I had to forcequit.

> 	Gregory

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From katir at hindu.org  Thu Mar  2 04:58:17 2006
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 23:58:17 -1000
Subject: Transcript and Dot Notation
In-Reply-To: <E2915A7B-17B9-41DB-8BD6-2130E1071F23@curlypaws.com>
References: <20060227151235.83D25825649@mail.runrev.com>
	<E2915A7B-17B9-41DB-8BD6-2130E1071F23@curlypaws.com>
Message-ID: <31CE5855-0A0B-4297-9960-95003797A399@hindu.org>

And some of us don't know anything *but* xTalk, and  I'm happy i don;'t

dot notation and such... let's be very careful...find a way to do the  
same thing in verbose xTalk and it will live...infect the language  
with obscurity and it will die a slow death from the inside out.

If everyone commented  their code well, maybe we could live with  
obscure syntax.. but...

While extending the range of functionality can be a good thing...Do  
not underestimate importance of three "viabilities:"

1. the post production comprehensibility
2. revisit the objects yourself 6 months later, does it still make sense
3. if you delegate the code base  to someone else, can they actually  
read it

These three "viabilities" can in themselves determine if the language  
will live or die.

Go Live is almost dead... did anyone read Adobe's white paper on the  
level of abstraction of GoLive's auto generated JAVA? Adobe flatly  
stated (my paraphrase) "You will never be able to understand this  
code; you will never be able to intelligently touch or tweak it, and  
we have no intention of engineering GoLive to generate intelligible  
code, if your secretaries use the WSWIG interface and produce web  
garbage, it's not our problem. If it works in Safari, but not I.E.  
and there is no way on earth to debug the page, it's not our problem.  
If you think you will ever be able to pass the corpus of web content  
created by our program to the next generation staffers, forget it."

May StackWare never walk down that path...




On Feb 27, 2006, at 7:31 AM, Karen wrote:

>
> It wasn't until I found Revolution that I managed to re-capture the  
> enthusiasm and enjoyment that I used to get when programming.  I  
> can actually write things (well, some things), rather than struggle  
> with obscure syntax.
>
> Karen



From katir at hindu.org  Thu Mar  2 04:58:54 2006
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 23:58:54 -1000
Subject: Pie Chart Algorithms?
In-Reply-To: <440620F8.1050006@tweedly.net>
References: <B9891259-9B25-417F-B3D3-F4B73DBBBF01@hindu.org>	<CC3FA1CA-5427-4EA7-B272-0AF5FDCB4130@major-k.de>	<029D1DA4-DB03-4C0F-BBF6-20E828240F16@hindu.org>	<01D0C109-75BA-4927-89D9-B0DA7FB5425E@byu.edu>
	<4D3A4646-59CE-4678-96A3-3ACD0F245D70@hindu.org>
	<440620F8.1050006@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <17DBD1F1-2DF4-4EB5-9A51-0B56133C902F@hindu.org>

Alex, you are a gem! Thanks:

Interesting to note that "round" produced smoother motion than  
"statRound"

The following will works for any circle name "baseCircle" at any  
location on the card... Watch the little red ball move run around the  
circle (smile) I renamed your vars to something meaningful -- yes,  
it's verbose, but as i get older, my short term memory may fail  
between reading line 1 and line 10 (grin), one advantage of xTalk.  
(see my thoughts on this on the dot notation thread)

and (obviously) setting a single value to "i" in this

on mouseUp
   put the loc  of  grc "baseCircle" into tCenter
  put getPoints(item 1 of tCenter,item 2 of tCenter,the width of grc  
"baseCircle"/2) into tCirclePoints
  repeat for each line x in tCirclePoints
    set the loc of grc  "mars" to x
    wait 2 milliseconds
  end repeat
end mouseUp
function getPoints circleLocX, circleLocY,radiusLen
  --  returns a list of points on the circumference of a circle
  -- centered at xc,yc with radius rad
  repeat with tCircumPoint= 0 to 360
  --put 90 into tCircumPoint
    put  Round(circleLocX+ radiusLen*sinInDegrees(tCircumPoint)),  
Round(circleLocY+radiusLen*cosInDegrees(tCircumPoint)) & CR after  
tResult
  end repeat
  return tResult
end getPoints


function cosInDegrees angleInDegrees
  return cos(angleInDegrees * pi / 180)
end cosInDegrees


function sinInDegrees angleInDegrees
  return sin(angleInDegrees * pi / 180)
end sinInDegrees



On Mar 01, 2006, at 12:32 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> Not professional, but maybe "interested amateur" :-)
> (this returns floating point numbers - remember to convert to  
> integers before using as points of a polygon or similar)



From revolution at jaedworks.com  Thu Mar  2 13:28:14 2006
From: revolution at jaedworks.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:28:14 -0800
Subject: RGB to HEX
In-Reply-To: <B1402EFD-CEF1-4E0B-9849-6F7BB16ED6C5@paraboliclogic.com>
References: <B1402EFD-CEF1-4E0B-9849-6F7BB16ED6C5@paraboliclogic.com>
Message-ID: <p0621026fc02ce9931695@[66.93.39.98]>

At 9:44 AM -0800 3/1/2006, Garrett Hylltun wrote:
>Is there a built-in function in Rev that will convert RGB color 
>string to a HEX color string?  If no, does anyone know how to do 
>this?  I knew how to do this in another language, but am at a loss 
>as to how to work it out in Rev.

Here's a code snippet:

  put "#" into theWebColor -- leading "#"
  repeat for each item myItem in theColorNumber -- numeric triplet - R,G,B
     get baseConvert(myItem,10,16)
     if the length of it is 1 then put zero before it  -- each 
component must be 2-digit
     put it after theWebColor
   end repeat

-- 
jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
http://www.jaedworks.com


From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Thu Mar  2 13:48:20 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:48:20 -0800
Subject: Table Inspector
In-Reply-To: <7B37C9AF-0E40-48A8-9910-93A4FDDA59D3@major-k.de>
References: <4D018EB6-5B69-400A-A12A-556011F0606A@videotron.ca>
	<7B37C9AF-0E40-48A8-9910-93A4FDDA59D3@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603021048n7336e17dr2a92c780ece5d292@mail.gmail.com>

Bug reports like this would be more helpful to you and others if you'd tell
us:

* what version of Rev/Dreamcard you're running
* on what version of what platform

I just tested table inspector on OS X 10.4.5 in Rev 2.6.1 and 2.7 and had no
problems at all despite efforts intended to break it. Doesn't mean there's
no bug here but it does mean that the inspector does not appear on my system
to be unusable.



On 3/2/06, Klaus Major <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:
>
> Hi Gregory,
>
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> >       Why is it that the Table Inspector in the property palette so
> > often causes Revolution to freeze?  Makes setting tab stops a real
> > drag.
>
> good question, i just experienced that on windows, too.
>
> Had some content in a field and only wanted to add some tabstops,
> selected "Table"
> from the optionbutton (when will be have another choice to select the
> different options
> for objects? That optionbuttonis just too unhandy!) and BOOM, Rev
> freezed, I had to forcequit.
>
> >       Gregory
>
> Regards
>
> Klaus Major
> klaus at major-k.de
> http://www.major-k.de
>
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> use-revolution mailing list
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From Karen at curlypaws.com  Thu Mar  2 13:50:29 2006
From: Karen at curlypaws.com (Karen)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 18:50:29 +0000
Subject: XML Library and Windows
In-Reply-To: <20060302142054.4BACB826329@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060302142054.4BACB826329@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <F65D8C86-9D6D-4182-B154-6B774D9C1ACD@curlypaws.com>


On 2 Mar 2006, at 14:20, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

>
> A popular cross-platform function to get the
> appropriate path was written by Richard Gaskin:
> ##
> function AppPath
>   put the filename of this stack into tPath
>   set the itemdel to "/"
>   If (IsOSX()) then
>     get offset(".app/Contents/MacOS/", tPath)
>     if it > 0 then -- 2.4.3 or later
>       delete char it to len(tPath) of tPath
>     end if
>   end if
>   delete last item of tPath
>   return tPath &"/"
> end AppPath
>
> function IsOSX
>   if the platform is not "MacOS" then return false
>   get the systemversion
>   set the itemdel to "."
>   if item 1 of it >= 10 then return true
>   return false
> end IsOSX
> ##
> (for a more complete explanation, go to:
> <http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/file008.htm>)
>
> So, armed with the function above, you can change the
> path to the report layout file as follows:
> ##
> on mouseUp
>   -- prep all the variables
>   put AppPath() & "reports/myreport.qrl" \
>       into tLayoutPath
>   put "MyDataStack" into tStackName
>   put true into tPreviewFlag
>   put "all" into tCardRange
>   -- and print the data stack
>   qrtReports_PrintReportFromStack \
>       tLayoutPath,tStackName,tPreviewFlag,tCardRange
> end mouseUp
> ##
>
> Hope this helped,
>
> Jan Schenkel.
>
> Quartam Reports for Revolution
> <http://www.quartam.com>

Jan,

Thanks for all your help with this - it is very much appreciated.  I  
now have my program generating attractive reports on both the Mac and  
Windows :-).  I'm very pleased with Quartam Reports and I'm looking  
forward to seeing what v1.1 brings.

Thanks,

Karen



From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Mar  2 13:54:16 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 19:54:16 +0100
Subject: Table Inspector
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603021048n7336e17dr2a92c780ece5d292@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D018EB6-5B69-400A-A12A-556011F0606A@videotron.ca>
	<7B37C9AF-0E40-48A8-9910-93A4FDDA59D3@major-k.de>
	<70ed6b130603021048n7336e17dr2a92c780ece5d292@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C684182C-0C72-43C6-971C-F67F909CF5FE@major-k.de>

Hi Dan,

> Bug reports like this would be more helpful to you and others if  
> you'd tell
> us:

Sure.

> * what version of Rev/Dreamcard you're running

Rev 2.7

> * on what version of what platform

Started Rev 2.7 for the first time on my PC Win XP Home :-)

> I just tested table inspector on OS X 10.4.5 in Rev 2.6.1 and 2.7  
> and had no
> problems at all despite efforts intended to break it. Doesn't mean  
> there's
> no bug here but it does mean that the inspector does not appear on  
> my system
> to be unusable.

Things like this are unfortunately not reproducable most of the time,  
at least not
reliably, so please see comments like these more as an attempt to  
save some
money for a psychiatrist :-D

> On 3/2/06, Klaus Major <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Gregory,
>>
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>>       Why is it that the Table Inspector in the property palette so
>>> often causes Revolution to freeze?  Makes setting tab stops a real
>>> drag.
>>
>> good question, i just experienced that on windows, too.
>>
>> Had some content in a field and only wanted to add some tabstops,
>> selected "Table"
>> from the optionbutton (when will be have another choice to select the
>> different options
>> for objects? That optionbuttonis just too unhandy!) and BOOM, Rev
>> freezed, I had to forcequit.
>>
>>>       Gregory

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Thu Mar  2 14:17:26 2006
From: FlexibleLearning at aol.com (FlexibleLearning at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 14:17:26 EST
Subject: RGB to HEX
Message-ID: <105.72a01a1f.31389ec6@aol.com>

Garrett... Check out the Color Converter 2  Pro utility at 
www.FlexibleLearning.com/xtalk

/H


>Is  there a built-in function in Rev that will convert RGB color 
>string to a  HEX color string?  If no, does anyone know how to do 
>this?  I  knew how to do this in another language, but am at a loss 
>as to how to  work it out in Rev.  



From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Thu Mar  2 14:25:18 2006
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 14:25:18 -0500
Subject: Table Inspector
In-Reply-To: <20060302180004.4558F8265DB@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060302180004.4558F8265DB@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <2CCC9D58-A237-4286-B2A0-DC9CD44936A6@videotron.ca>

OS X 10.4.5.  The problem occurs with Rev 2.7 and 2.6.1.  The freeze  
doesn't happen all of the time, but it is most likely to happen when  
there's a lot of data in the selected field and when switching from  
one of the Property Inspector's modes (Basic, Content, Table, etc.)  
to another.

	Gregory

On Thu, Mar 2, 2006, at 1:00 PM, use-revolution- 
request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> Bug reports like this would be more helpful to you and others if  
> you'd tell
> us:
>
> * what version of Rev/Dreamcard you're running
> * on what version of what platform
>
> I just tested table inspector on OS X 10.4.5 in Rev 2.6.1 and 2.7  
> and had no
> problems at all despite efforts intended to break it. Doesn't mean  
> there's
> no bug here but it does mean that the inspector does not appear on  
> my system
> to be unusable.
>



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Mar  2 14:58:44 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 13:58:44 -0600
Subject: Table Inspector
In-Reply-To: <2CCC9D58-A237-4286-B2A0-DC9CD44936A6@videotron.ca>
References: <20060302180004.4558F8265DB@mail.runrev.com>
	<2CCC9D58-A237-4286-B2A0-DC9CD44936A6@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <44074E74.6050400@hyperactivesw.com>

Gregory Lypny wrote:
> OS X 10.4.5.  The problem occurs with Rev 2.7 and 2.6.1.  The freeze  
> doesn't happen all of the time, but it is most likely to happen when  
> there's a lot of data in the selected field and when switching from  one 
> of the Property Inspector's modes (Basic, Content, Table, etc.)  to 
> another.

Reproduced here too: OS X 10.3.9, Rev 2.7. The freeze happened 
immediately after selecting the Table pane. I tried it with a field 
containing (non-table) data, and again with a field I had just emptied.

I'll BZ it unless I find someone else has done it already.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Mar  2 15:46:04 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 14:46:04 -0600
Subject: strange menu behavior
In-Reply-To: <6923E0B7-49D2-487D-B06C-63D214F7F7ED@gmail.com>
References: <350E5B6B-0EA4-4452-AC1F-EC99CBE5847D@gmail.com>	<44065E46.4080400@hyperactivesw.com>
	<6923E0B7-49D2-487D-B06C-63D214F7F7ED@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4407598C.5030006@hyperactivesw.com>

Chris Sheffield wrote:
> Hi Jacque,
> 
> Thanks for the suggestions.  Unfortunately the menu group of both  
> stacks does have the backgroundBehavior set to true.

So much for that theory.

> I've done a little more investigating and this is what I've found.   
> When the second stack first opens, it is not even getting set as the  
> topStack or the defaultStack.  So unfortunately your workaround  doesn't 
> even work.  I've even tried setting it to the defaultStack  explicitly 
> without success.  I've found that once I click on my File  menu (just to 
> activate the menu, but not actually click Quit) then  the topStack and 
> defaultStack are set correctly, which would explain  why ctrl-Q works at 
> this point.  So there is definitely something  strange going on.  This 
> behavior occurs both in the Rev IDE and in a  built standalone.
> 
> Can you, or anyone else for that matter, think of any reason why  
> topStack and defaultStack would not get set correctly?  What's  strange 
> is I have another stack that opens the same way and it works  just 
> fine.  I've compared the properties between the two stacks,  their menu 
> groups, and even the File button within their menu groups  to see if 
> anything is different.  Everything is the same other than  things like 
> the layers of the objects.
> 
> Any other ideas?  This one has me stumped, but I figure it's got to  be 
> something I've done because the other stack does work like I said.

Some things to check: Is the misbehaving stack opened as modeless or any 
mode other than toplevel? That could affect the message hierarchy. Are 
there any "go" commands in your scripts issued after the stack opens? 
That could change the topstack. Did you try setting the topstack rather 
than the defaultstack ("toplevel 'mystack'")?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Thu Mar  2 16:32:10 2006
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 15:32:10 -0600
Subject: Debugging question
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060302153049.046978c0@exchange.slg.com>

Is there any way to get a call stack?

I have a screen where if you press Enter (Windows) it is calling a method, 
but I can't figure out why.  It would be nice if I could see what took 
place to get me where I was.

The message watcher isn't really helping, but I'll muck around with it a 
bit more to see.

Peter T. Evensen
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588 



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Mar  2 17:25:33 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:25:33 -0600
Subject: Debugging question
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20060302153049.046978c0@exchange.slg.com>
Message-ID: <C02CCCFD.36E2A%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/2/06 3:32 PM, "Peter T. Evensen" <pevensen at siboneylg.com> wrote:

> Is there any way to get a call stack?
> 
> I have a screen where if you press Enter (Windows) it is calling a method,
> but I can't figure out why.  It would be nice if I could see what took
> place to get me where I was.
> 
> The message watcher isn't really helping, but I'll muck around with it a
> bit more to see.

It's in the Variable Watcher; the popup menu at the top of the window is the
call stack (called the "execution contexts").

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Thu Mar  2 17:29:57 2006
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:29:57 -0600
Subject: Debugging question
In-Reply-To: <C02CCCFD.36E2A%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060302153049.046978c0@exchange.slg.com>
	<C02CCCFD.36E2A%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060302162914.046c9670@exchange.slg.com>

I never noticed that before!  Seems like an odd place for it, though.  I'd 
expect it in the debugger window someplace, but now that I know where it is!

Thanks!

At 04:25 PM 3/2/2006, you wrote:
>On 3/2/06 3:32 PM, "Peter T. Evensen" <pevensen at siboneylg.com> wrote:
>
> > Is there any way to get a call stack?
> >
> > I have a screen where if you press Enter (Windows) it is calling a method,
> > but I can't figure out why.  It would be nice if I could see what took
> > place to get me where I was.
> >
> > The message watcher isn't really helping, but I'll muck around with it a
> > bit more to see.
>
>It's in the Variable Watcher; the popup menu at the top of the window is the
>call stack (called the "execution contexts").

Peter T. Evensen
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588 



From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Thu Mar  2 17:55:15 2006
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 17:55:15 -0500
Subject: Debugging question
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20060302162914.046c9670@exchange.slg.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060302153049.046978c0@exchange.slg.com>
	<C02CCCFD.36E2A%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060302162914.046c9670@exchange.slg.com>
Message-ID: <DE71D2F9-616D-4951-8581-01354A47A4D6@conncoll.edu>

You need Constellation. More evident, and with more features.
(Shameless plug. I love it.)

Charles


On Mar 2, 2006, at 5:29 PM, Peter T. Evensen wrote:

> I never noticed that before!  Seems like an odd place for it,  
> though.  I'd expect it in the debugger window someplace, but now  
> that I know where it is!
>
> Thanks!
>
> At 04:25 PM 3/2/2006, you wrote:
>> On 3/2/06 3:32 PM, "Peter T. Evensen" <pevensen at siboneylg.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Is there any way to get a call stack?
>> >
>> > I have a screen where if you press Enter (Windows) it is calling  
>> a method,
>> > but I can't figure out why.  It would be nice if I could see  
>> what took
>> > place to get me where I was.
>> >
>> > The message watcher isn't really helping, but I'll muck around  
>> with it a
>> > bit more to see.
>>
>> It's in the Variable Watcher; the popup menu at the top of the  
>> window is the
>> call stack (called the "execution contexts").
>
> Peter T. Evensen
> http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
> 314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588
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From bleiler at buffalo.edu  Thu Mar  2 18:41:47 2006
From: bleiler at buffalo.edu (Timothy Bleiler)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 18:41:47 -0500
Subject: Player Problem in Rev 2.7 on Windows
In-Reply-To: <44054518.6060606@chipp.com>
References: <44054518.6060606@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <0B63C783-A28E-4EE1-A00F-EA3DD7C5E9EB@buffalo.edu>

Hi,

I've run into a problem with the player control in version 2.7  
buildNumber 192 on Windows XP. The problem does not occur in version  
2.6 of Rev. It does not occur on Mac OS X 10.4.x

I've tried 2 Windows XP machines with Quicktime 6 and 7.

The problem
Player does not play video when the alwaysBuffer is true from the  
controller. Keyboard message will start the player but the frame rate  
is way below the setting.

Video settings
AAC, Mono, 11.025 kHz
Sorenson Video 3, 480 x 360, Millions
Frame Rate 14.98
Size 480 x 360  pixels
Duration 00:01:20.94

I didn't find anything in Bugzilla on this. Anyone run into something  
similar?

Tim Bleiler
Instructional Designer, University at Buffalo




From robertum at brturbo.com  Thu Mar  2 19:27:03 2006
From: robertum at brturbo.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 21:27:03 -0300
Subject: Transcript and Dot Notation
Message-ID: <44078D57.10400@brturbo.com>

Dear Sivakatirswami,

I was brought up on Basic and VB. In VB (VB6 I mean, not VB.NET), the 
dot notation is not all that obscure, but nevertheless, after making the 
transition to Transcript and its verbosity, the fact that someone might 
consider making it more like VB makes my hair stand on end, or in other 
words it would be "dotty" (pun intended). I agree that it would probably 
mark the beginning of a process of de-characterisation that eventually 
might be fatal. Of course, I haven't done a survey, but I suggest that 
(just like VB) a vast core of users are probably "inventive users" or 
very ordinary folk like myself, not professionals or (forgive me) nerdy 
types who have the greatest influence on this List and consequently the 
development path of RR. Look at what happened to VB when the nerds took 
over! From a record-breaking 18 million users, VB is now reduced to I 
don't know how many, but the fact is that M$ are now giving away their 
software to try and entice users back into the fold. I hope they fail 
after what they did to VB6 (which is why I am here and not there).

The secret of the success of VB (up to VB6) was that it could be used by 
programmers of all types, from absolute beginners to real professionals. 
This is a secret shared by Transcript. I'd hate to see Rev do a 
Microsoft. I couldn't take it twice in a lifetime.

One way of looking at it is this. Ordinary people prefer to program in 
something that more or less corresponds to plain language (it taxes the 
memory less). Many professionals seem to have a taste for formal 
languages of the logical or mathematical type. There is, of course, a 
place for such languages. But Transcript is a very high level 
general-purpose language. Why try and change it into something else? Are 
its formal deficiencies so great that something REALLY has to be done 
along "dotty" lines?

Regards,
Bob

---------------------------
Sivakatirswami wrote:
 >dot notation and such... let's be very careful...find a way to do the
 >same thing in verbose xTalk and it will live...infect the language
 >with obscurity and it will die a slow death from the inside out.



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Thu Mar  2 19:53:00 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:53:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: XP Problems Persist...
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603021048n7336e17dr2a92c780ece5d292@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603021645320.15866-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Sigh.

One of the few students who is honestly playing around with Rev and
*trying* to appreciate it is having nothing but problem after problem
after problem.

This is probably a really stupid question, but does running skins on top
of XP create any Rev-related problems?

I'm running 2.7 on OS X.  He's running 2.7 (trial version) on XP.  I
created a simple little demo stack on messages and the message path (and,
yes, Richard, I did require that they take a look at yours!).  Runs fine
on my Mac.  Copied the file to his thumb drive.  He double-clicks the file
and it launches 2.7.  Good.  But it doesn't open the file.  Not only does
it not open the clicked file, when you try opening it from the File ->
Open menu, it either does nothing or it throws up an error message that
the file cannot be read.

The file retains its icon and association with the parent app... only the
parent app can't open the file.

I  just tried re-d/l Rev 2.7 to look for the option to save as a 2.6
file... but can't figure that one out either (will be heading on over to
Chipp's site to try that next).

Does anyone have any ideas?  Would anyone be willing to take a look at the
file to see whether I've done something just abysmally stupid that could
be causing these problems?

It just doesn't give Rev a good name when you have somebody who is clearly
in the minority in a class and who is trying to honestly evaluate the
product and all they get is crashes and non-functionality...

:-(

Thanks for any suggestions,

Judy




From soapdog at mac.com  Thu Mar  2 20:06:41 2006
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 22:06:41 -0300
Subject: XP Problems Persist...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603021645320.15866-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603021645320.15866-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <68C29623-E5F1-4A80-82D0-C248AADDF6D6@mac.com>

Judy,

it will sound stupid but I had tons of problems with my thumb drive  
corrupting my rev stacks... after using it, rev would cease to  
recognize the stacks. It was not a rev problem it was a cheap thumb  
drive problem... have you tried to transfer the files using another  
medium?

Cheers
andre

On Mar 2, 2006, at 9:53 PM, Judy Perry wrote:

> Sigh.
>
> One of the few students who is honestly playing around with Rev and
> *trying* to appreciate it is having nothing but problem after problem
> after problem.
>
> This is probably a really stupid question, but does running skins  
> on top
> of XP create any Rev-related problems?
>
> I'm running 2.7 on OS X.  He's running 2.7 (trial version) on XP.  I
> created a simple little demo stack on messages and the message path  
> (and,
> yes, Richard, I did require that they take a look at yours!).  Runs  
> fine
> on my Mac.  Copied the file to his thumb drive.  He double-clicks  
> the file
> and it launches 2.7.  Good.  But it doesn't open the file.  Not  
> only does
> it not open the clicked file, when you try opening it from the File ->
> Open menu, it either does nothing or it throws up an error message  
> that
> the file cannot be read.
>
> The file retains its icon and association with the parent app...  
> only the
> parent app can't open the file.
>
> I  just tried re-d/l Rev 2.7 to look for the option to save as a 2.6
> file... but can't figure that one out either (will be heading on  
> over to
> Chipp's site to try that next).
>
> Does anyone have any ideas?  Would anyone be willing to take a look  
> at the
> file to see whether I've done something just abysmally stupid that  
> could
> be causing these problems?
>
> It just doesn't give Rev a good name when you have somebody who is  
> clearly
> in the minority in a class and who is trying to honestly evaluate the
> product and all they get is crashes and non-functionality...
>
> :-(
>
> Thanks for any suggestions,
>
> Judy
>
>
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Thu Mar  2 20:13:37 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 17:13:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: XP Problems Persist...
In-Reply-To: <68C29623-E5F1-4A80-82D0-C248AADDF6D6@mac.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603021713030.16380-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Andre,

Thanks, yes, I am trying that right now (u/l the file to RevOnline and
just installed a trial version of Rev on the PC in the lab...).

Thanks for the pointer!

Judy

On Thu, 2 Mar 2006, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Judy,
>
> it will sound stupid but I had tons of problems with my thumb drive
> corrupting my rev stacks... after using it, rev would cease to
> recognize the stacks. It was not a rev problem it was a cheap thumb
> drive problem... have you tried to transfer the files using another
> medium?
>
> Cheers
> andre
>
> On Mar 2, 2006, at 9:53 PM, Judy Perry wrote:
>
> > Sigh.
> >
> > One of the few students who is honestly playing around with Rev and
> > *trying* to appreciate it is having nothing but problem after problem
> > after problem.
> >
> > This is probably a really stupid question, but does running skins
> > on top
> > of XP create any Rev-related problems?
> >
> > I'm running 2.7 on OS X.  He's running 2.7 (trial version) on XP.  I
> > created a simple little demo stack on messages and the message path
> > (and,
> > yes, Richard, I did require that they take a look at yours!).  Runs
> > fine
> > on my Mac.  Copied the file to his thumb drive.  He double-clicks
> > the file
> > and it launches 2.7.  Good.  But it doesn't open the file.  Not
> > only does
> > it not open the clicked file, when you try opening it from the File ->
> > Open menu, it either does nothing or it throws up an error message
> > that
> > the file cannot be read.
> >
> > The file retains its icon and association with the parent app...
> > only the
> > parent app can't open the file.
> >
> > I  just tried re-d/l Rev 2.7 to look for the option to save as a 2.6
> > file... but can't figure that one out either (will be heading on
> > over to
> > Chipp's site to try that next).
> >
> > Does anyone have any ideas?  Would anyone be willing to take a look
> > at the
> > file to see whether I've done something just abysmally stupid that
> > could
> > be causing these problems?
> >
> > It just doesn't give Rev a good name when you have somebody who is
> > clearly
> > in the minority in a class and who is trying to honestly evaluate the
> > product and all they get is crashes and non-functionality...
> >
> > :-(
> >
> > Thanks for any suggestions,
> >
> > Judy
> >
> >
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Thu Mar  2 20:25:32 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 17:25:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: XP Problem SOLVED!
In-Reply-To: <68C29623-E5F1-4A80-82D0-C248AADDF6D6@mac.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603021721340.16824-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Yup, Andre:

That's apparently the cause!  I was able to u/l the file to RevOnline,
install Rev on the PC in here and pull it down from there.

Worked fine.

Have advised the student that his drive is the problem.

As for why we didn't try other options, well, there aren't any other
options.  Neither of us had a burnable CD, the Macs are all OS 9 and most
of them don't work at all, and even if they did, they're running Rev 2.5,
and, finally, the FTP server corrupts as well as zero's out files
unpredictably, so I couldn't distribute the files that way, either.
Yikes.

Thanks again!

Judy

On Thu, 2 Mar 2006, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Judy,
>
> it will sound stupid but I had tons of problems with my thumb drive
> corrupting my rev stacks... after using it, rev would cease to
> recognize the stacks. It was not a rev problem it was a cheap thumb
> drive problem... have you tried to transfer the files using another
> medium?



From europe at ehug.info  Thu Mar  2 21:03:31 2006
From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 03:03:31 +0100
Subject: Menubar Handling
In-Reply-To: <9C0114E2-0F66-41B4-9EAA-F451F11779BC@curlypaws.com>
References: <9C0114E2-0F66-41B4-9EAA-F451F11779BC@curlypaws.com>
Message-ID: <4407A3F3.5060806@ehug.info>

Hi Karen,

It seems you haven't got a repy to your question, yet. In the 
menubar script (or the script of the group that serves as 
menubar), you could put a menuPick handler. Have a look at the 
docs for info about the menuPick handler.

The menuPick handler could call scripts in the main stack or 
send commands to other stacks and objects. Depending on what you 
are trying to do, your menuPick handler might look like

on menuPick theMenuItem
   switch theMenuItem
     case "Open..."
       runOpenHandlerInMainStack
     break
     case "Something Else"
       send "runSomeHandlerInSubstack" to the topstack
     break
   end switch
end menuPick

The second "case" will work fine, if the main stack also has a 
"something" handlers. It would be easiest to put all scripts in 
the main stack, without using the "send" command, but if each of 
  your substacks should act differently upon a user's menu 
selection, "send" is a very useful command.

Best,

Mark


Karen wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm trying to set up a Menubar for OS X with Revolution and I had  seen 
> mention of the idea of using a separate stack with a menubar (to  avoid 
> the stack contents moving around every time I load it).  I have  set 
> this up, and on the preOpenStack script of the other cards, I do:
> 
> set the menubar of me to "MyMenubar".
> 
> This seems to work very nicely - the other cards have the correct  
> menubar, but what I can't puzzle out is how to process the menu  actions 
> in these cards.  If I do nothing, they are processed back in  the 
> Menubar stack - which doesn't have the controls that I want to  refer 
> to.  How can I process the menu actions correctly?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Karen
>

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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu Mar  2 21:04:06 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 12:04:06 +1000
Subject: XP Problems Persist...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603021645320.15866-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <70ed6b130603021048n7336e17dr2a92c780ece5d292@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.33.0603021645320.15866-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603021804t20b22f55q61372f1023fa18ba@mail.gmail.com>

> I'm running 2.7 on OS X.  He's running 2.7 (trial version) on XP.  I
> created a simple little demo stack on messages and the message path (and,
> yes, Richard, I did require that they take a look at yours!).  Runs fine
> on my Mac.  Copied the file to his thumb drive.  He double-clicks the file
> and it launches 2.7.  Good.  But it doesn't open the file.  Not only does
> it not open the clicked file, when you try opening it from the File ->
> Open menu, it either does nothing or it throws up an error message that
> the file cannot be read.
>
> The file retains its icon and association with the parent app... only the
> parent app can't open the file.

Along the same lines as Andre's suggestion, I always zip files before
transfer. This seems to give a much more reliable copy of the file.

Cheers,
Sarah


From shaosean at hotmail.com  Thu Mar  2 21:23:48 2006
From: shaosean at hotmail.com (Sean Shao)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 21:23:48 -0500
Subject: Table Inspector
In-Reply-To: <20060302180004.6D7BE826627@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BAY105-F970DE11CC89AE088FC0A8C3EA0@phx.gbl>

Yeah, it just started happening one day for me too.. While it does lock-up 
Rev, I've found that a simple CMD-. (CTRL-Pause for Windows users) will 
bring it out of being unresponsive (mind you the palette will be cut off but 
you can still set your tab stops =)

_________________________________________________________________
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Thu Mar  2 22:05:51 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 19:05:51 -0800
Subject: XP Problems Persist...
In-Reply-To: <68C29623-E5F1-4A80-82D0-C248AADDF6D6@mac.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603021645320.15866-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<68C29623-E5F1-4A80-82D0-C248AADDF6D6@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06230904c02d62b41aa8@[192.168.1.101]>

I agree. When I recharged my little Revcon thumb drive at the 
conference, some stacks didn't make it back home, had to download..

Especially had problems using a thumb drive between sys9 and 10.

sqb


>Judy,
>
>it will sound stupid but I had tons of problems with my thumb drive 
>corrupting my rev stacks... after using it, rev would cease to 
>recognize the stacks. It was not a rev problem it was a cheap thumb 
>drive problem... have you tried to transfer the files using another 
>medium?
>
>Cheers
>andre
>

-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -


From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Thu Mar  2 23:16:41 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 20:16:41 -0800
Subject: RGB to HEX
In-Reply-To: <p0621026fc02ce9931695@[66.93.39.98]>
References: <B1402EFD-CEF1-4E0B-9849-6F7BB16ED6C5@paraboliclogic.com>
	<p0621026fc02ce9931695@[66.93.39.98]>
Message-ID: <42E8BED4-FF29-4502-A46E-1B75749BD5D5@paraboliclogic.com>

On Mar 2, 2006, at 10:28 AM, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote:

>  put "#" into theWebColor -- leading "#"
>  repeat for each item myItem in theColorNumber -- numeric triplet -  
> R,G,B
>     get baseConvert(myItem,10,16)
>     if the length of it is 1 then put zero before it  -- each  
> component must be 2-digit
>     put it after theWebColor
>   end repeat
>
> -- 
> jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com

Thank you very much, this helped me figure out how to use that  
baseConvert.  And thank you Sarah and FlexibleLearning for also  
responding, very much appreciated.

Thanks,
-Garrett


From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Thu Mar  2 23:17:39 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 20:17:39 -0800
Subject: RGB to HEX
In-Reply-To: <05553B7E-E6D6-4A89-BA38-AB504DDD774D@major-k.de>
References: <B1402EFD-CEF1-4E0B-9849-6F7BB16ED6C5@paraboliclogic.com>
	<05553B7E-E6D6-4A89-BA38-AB504DDD774D@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <D614F2CF-F37A-49A1-8008-2BED731DF29B@paraboliclogic.com>


On Mar 1, 2006, at 9:49 AM, Klaus Major wrote:

> Hello again, Garrett .-)
>
>> Rev 2.6.1
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Is there a built-in function in Rev that will convert RGB color  
>> string to a HEX color string?  If no, does anyone know how to do  
>> this?  I knew how to do this in another language, but am at a loss  
>> as to how to work it out in Rev.
>
> Check the "baseconvert" command in the docs.
> Pretty straightforward...

Thank you Klaus Major, much appreciated.  :-)

-Garrett


From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Thu Mar  2 23:18:09 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 20:18:09 -0800
Subject: Built-in Font Dialog?
In-Reply-To: <A3C3FD57-83ED-42C6-8E6D-4F4EA6018063@major-k.de>
References: <E9C372DC-B3B4-4D96-9BFD-3E6044931B7E@paraboliclogic.com>
	<A3C3FD57-83ED-42C6-8E6D-4F4EA6018063@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <6B944B6D-BC27-42D5-804F-0FB529157583@paraboliclogic.com>


On Mar 1, 2006, at 9:49 AM, Klaus Major wrote:

> HiGarrett,
>
>> Rev 2.6.1
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Is there a built-in font dialog in Rev?
>
> No, but you can examine the Rev "Font" menu :-)

Again, thanks a bunch.

-Garrett


From bvlahos at mac.com  Fri Mar  3 00:15:15 2006
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 21:15:15 -0800
Subject: Table field does not send closeField
Message-ID: <08448836f86b067de538e63a0f288868@mac.com>

How do I trap for a change in the contents of a table field with cell 
editing turned on? It doesn't seem to send a closeField message.

Bill Vlahos



From bvlahos at mac.com  Fri Mar  3 00:18:40 2006
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 21:18:40 -0800
Subject: XP Problems Persist...
In-Reply-To: <p06230904c02d62b41aa8@[192.168.1.101]>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603021645320.15866-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<68C29623-E5F1-4A80-82D0-C248AADDF6D6@mac.com>
	<p06230904c02d62b41aa8@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <e48435211861950fc9af0c8021d82f52@mac.com>

Which brands of thumb drives are having problems?

Bill Vlahos

On Mar 2, 2006, at 7:05 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> I agree. When I recharged my little Revcon thumb drive at the 
> conference, some stacks didn't make it back home, had to download..
>
> Especially had problems using a thumb drive between sys9 and 10.
>
> sqb
>
>
>> Judy,
>>
>> it will sound stupid but I had tons of problems with my thumb drive 
>> corrupting my rev stacks... after using it, rev would cease to 
>> recognize the stacks. It was not a rev problem it was a cheap thumb 
>> drive problem... have you tried to transfer the files using another 
>> medium?
>>
>> Cheers
>> andre
>>
>
> -- 
> stephen barncard
> s a n  f r a n c i s c o
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Fri Mar  3 01:29:51 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 22:29:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: XP Problems Persist...
In-Reply-To: <p06230904c02d62b41aa8@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603022228070.24288-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Stephen,

An interesting spotlight... we had, indeed, been going between his XP
machine, any semi-working OS 9 machine and my OS X laptop...

Judy

On Thu, 2 Mar 2006, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> Especially had problems using a thumb drive between sys9 and 10.



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Fri Mar  3 01:34:18 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 22:34:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: XP Problems Persist...
In-Reply-To: <e48435211861950fc9af0c8021d82f52@mac.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603022230230.24288-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

As it's not mine, I don't know...

But at least, thanks to Andre's suggestion, I was able to verify that the
thumb drive was the likely culprit and that the same file, when d/l from
RevOnline onto a PC machine, worked just fine in XP.  Importantly, the
student was able to verify this as well.

Now, if only there were some similarly easy solution to the third world
example that is my department's Macintosh lab... :-/

Many thanks again to all who offered ideas and suggestions.

Judy

On Thu, 2 Mar 2006, Bill Vlahos wrote:

> Which brands of thumb drives are having problems?



From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Fri Mar  3 01:46:53 2006
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 22:46:53 -0800
Subject: start using a filePath
Message-ID: <71AFCA15-6A54-47E7-8C1F-C24A9B038BBD@elementarysoftware.com>

what happens if a script has

< start using stack tMyFilePath >

when the stack tMyFilePath hasn't been loaded into memory yet?  My  
experience so far is that it doesn't load the stack.

-Scott


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Mar  3 02:28:14 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 17:28:14 +1000
Subject: start using a filePath
In-Reply-To: <71AFCA15-6A54-47E7-8C1F-C24A9B038BBD@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <71AFCA15-6A54-47E7-8C1F-C24A9B038BBD@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603022328y6787b0ebo585eb9c1a878d1dc@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/3/06, Scott Morrow <scott at elementarysoftware.com> wrote:
> what happens if a script has
>
> < start using stack tMyFilePath >
>
> when the stack tMyFilePath hasn't been loaded into memory yet?  My
> experience so far is that it doesn't load the stack.
>

Should work fine, provided the program knows where the stack is. I use
this all the time.

Cheers,
Sarah


From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Fri Mar  3 02:46:26 2006
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 23:46:26 -0800
Subject: Table field does not send closeField
In-Reply-To: <08448836f86b067de538e63a0f288868@mac.com>
References: <08448836f86b067de538e63a0f288868@mac.com>
Message-ID: <92F32336-A5DC-41FF-9503-F8D10A592916@inspiredlogic.com>


On Mar 2, 2006, at 9:15 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote:

> How do I trap for a change in the contents of a table field with  
> cell editing turned on? It doesn't seem to send a closeField message.
>
> Bill Vlahos

I think the editor field is created on the fly and placed in front of  
the table cell. If that field is simply stored, or based on some  
template, you could edit its script or the script of the template. If  
not, a front script is likely the way to go.


From jaguayo at eve.es  Fri Mar  3 03:00:49 2006
From: jaguayo at eve.es (Joseba Aguayo)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 09:00:49 +0100
Subject: Extract items
In-Reply-To: <20060301012204.A14F18254AC@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060301012204.A14F18254AC@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1A9BBCF3-207B-4D83-A943-4F976913BDEF@eve.es>

Hello:

?Exists in Revolution an order similar to the Extract Rinaldi XCMD?
?Is possible to extract one or two items (item 3 to 4) of a list  
separate with tabs.

Thanks.

Un saludo

Joseba
(jaguayo at eve.es)

From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Fri Mar  3 03:06:23 2006
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 09:06:23 +0100
Subject: Extract items
In-Reply-To: <1A9BBCF3-207B-4D83-A943-4F976913BDEF@eve.es>
References: <20060301012204.A14F18254AC@mail.runrev.com>
	<1A9BBCF3-207B-4D83-A943-4F976913BDEF@eve.es>
Message-ID: <64DAFD1B-CEC8-4708-A658-F4699FE42973@skynet.be>


Le 3 mars 06 ? 09:00, Joseba Aguayo a ?crit :

> Hello:
>
> ?Exists in Revolution an order similar to the Extract Rinaldi XCMD?
> ?Is possible to extract one or two items (item 3 to 4) of a list  
> separate with tabs.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Un saludo



I've a function which do the same in transcript :


Filedname = the name of the fld or the variable with the data
pItemNumber = the item(s) to be extracted
delim = the item delimiter

function extractItem pFieldName, pItemNumber,delim
   local tempLine, tempItem,vListofItems,vListToReturn
   put itemDelimiter into oldDelim
   replace comma with delim in pItemNumber
   set itemDelimiter to delim
   repeat for each line tempLine in pFieldName
     put empty into vListofItems
     repeat for each item tempItem in pItemNumber
       put item tempItem of tempLine &delim after vListofItems
     end repeat
     delete last char of vListofItems
     put vListofItems& return after vListToReturn
   end repeat
   set itemDelimiter to oldDelim
   if the number of lines of vListToReturn > 1 then
     delete last char of vListToReturn
   end if
   return vListToReturn
end extractItem



Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Mar  3 03:24:39 2006
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 08:24:39 +0000
Subject: RGB to HEX
In-Reply-To: <42E8BED4-FF29-4502-A46E-1B75749BD5D5@paraboliclogic.com>
References: <B1402EFD-CEF1-4E0B-9849-6F7BB16ED6C5@paraboliclogic.com>	<p0621026fc02ce9931695@[66.93.39.98]>
	<42E8BED4-FF29-4502-A46E-1B75749BD5D5@paraboliclogic.com>
Message-ID: <4407FD47.2090208@tweedly.net>

Garrett Hylltun wrote:

> On Mar 2, 2006, at 10:28 AM, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote:
>
>>  put "#" into theWebColor -- leading "#"
>>  repeat for each item myItem in theColorNumber -- numeric triplet -  
>> R,G,B
>>     get baseConvert(myItem,10,16)
>>     if the length of it is 1 then put zero before it  -- each  
>> component must be 2-digit
>>     put it after theWebColor
>>   end repeat
>>
>> -- 
>> jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
>
>
> Thank you very much, this helped me figure out how to use that  
> baseConvert.  And thank you Sarah and FlexibleLearning for also  
> responding, very much appreciated.

baseConvert is a good, general purpose tool - but you can do this more 
concisely using format

 put "#" into theWebColor -- leading "#"
 repeat for each item myItem in theColorNumber -- numeric triplet -  R,G,B
    put format("%02X",myItem) after theWebColor
 end repeat

note - I prefer RGB colours to be #0A0B0F - i.e. upper case - so I used 
"%02X", but if you prefer lower case you can instead us "%02x"

-- 
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  3 04:44:21 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 01:44:21 -0800
Subject: Extract items
In-Reply-To: <1A9BBCF3-207B-4D83-A943-4F976913BDEF@eve.es>
Message-ID: <C02D4FF5.35906%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/3/06 12:00 AM, "Joseba Aguayo" <jaguayo at eve.es> wrote:
> 
> ?Exists in Revolution an order similar to the Extract Rinaldi XCMD?
> ?Is possible to extract one or two items (item 3 to 4) of a list
> separate with tabs.
> 
Roll your own with your own rules and reactions :-)
Here is my version I put together very quickly so you may want to improve
it.  I use my style of programming code.. old habits die hard, but it works
for me.

First, make a new main stack, create two fields, paste the code into the
stack script, then put the original list into field 1, double click on the
card anywhere to run the script.

 ------start copy here -------
on mouseDoubleUp
  put empty into fld 2
  put extractItem(fld 1, 3,4, tab) into extractResult
  if extractResult contains "error" then
    answer extractResult
    exit to top
  end if
  put extractResult into fld 2
end mouseDoubleUp

function extractItem listt, aa, bb, cc
  set the itemDel to cc -- sets the desired delim
  repeat for each line LNN in listt
    if the number of items in LNN < bb then
      put "error to few items" into ans
      exit repeat
    end if
    put item aa to bb of LNN & cr after newListt
  end repeat
  if ans contains "error" then
    put cr & LNN after ans
    return ans
  else 
    delete last char of newListt
    return newListt
  end if
end extractItem
--------- end  copy -------------------

You do not have to worry about keeping the old itemDelimeter since this
setting (1) only affects the current handler (2) uses the default until
reset in each handler that runs...
which means each time the extractItem() function is called, the itemDel is a
comma, then we set it to be whatever is passed as "cc",  and
after the  extractItem() function ends, this itemDel does not affect to the
original handler.  Thus the original handler in this example will always
have the comma as its itemDel setting.

You can confirm this by adding the following line at the end of the first
handler
answer the number of items in fld 2 --which should be 1 if you used tabs


you may want to add an error check to see if  aa<bb, if (aa, bb) are
numbers, etc.

Hope this helps

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From wow at together.net  Fri Mar  3 06:53:33 2006
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 06:53:33 -0500
Subject: XP - Applescript equivalents
In-Reply-To: <C02D4FF5.35906%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C02D4FF5.35906%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A6E9D283-3516-4848-ACAA-B853E0C58138@together.net>

Our Rev program is Mac based. We want to run it under XP. We use  
three Applescript-based functions in this program that need to be  
replaced under XP. I'm looking for suggestions on how best to do  
this. The three functions:

- get the status of the internal battery (on a laptop)
- get the wireless strength (was airport status)
- switch wireless connection (was switch airport connection)

I'm guessing there are DLL's to do this, but perhaps none already  
compatible with Rev. I realize we can use non-Rev DLL's. Perhaps  
that's the best option. I'd like to hear other opinions.

Thanks.
Richard Miller
Imprinter Technologies


From Stgoldberg at aol.com  Fri Mar  3 07:19:29 2006
From: Stgoldberg at aol.com (Stgoldberg at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 07:19:29 EST
Subject: First color, second color third color, etc
Message-ID: <129.6eec342e.31398e51@aol.com>

I have been puzzled by the color feature in the object inspector for some of 
the objects (e.g. images) which list the options of "First color, second 
color, third color etc." What does this do?   If I check off a color, nothing 
happens and the option disappears on leaving the object inspector.   Perhaps 
someone can clarify this.   Thanks.
Steve Goldberg


From tominjapan at excite.com  Fri Mar  3 07:20:55 2006
From: tominjapan at excite.com (Thomas McCarthy)
Date: Fri,  3 Mar 2006 07:20:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: AltBrowser--wow.
Message-ID: <20060303122055.C86647E432@xprdmxin.myway.com>


Last summer I wrote a message airing publicly my complaints about this product. It was a bit of vitrol after frustrating attempts to get it to work (yes, I had read the manuals!)

I shot off an angry letter to the Altuit team about what I found as shortcommings:
1. the demo on the site was not the latest (bug-free) version
2. the obvious pit-fall (which even Dan Shafer fell into)--not ensuring the plug-in was installed was not properly covered.
3. the demo stack tried to cram every type of function onto one card making it rather daunting to a newbie.

Well, somebody over there was listening! Each and every one of those concerns has been so well addressed you wouldn't know it was the same product that caused me heart-burn.

Downloading and installing is a breeze, updating couldn't be easier and the demo stack gracefully guides you through the features. Bravo!

BTW. I decided to take a look at AltBrowser again after happening across AltFont (which similarly is a joy to install). AltFont is an answer to a lot of my dreams. I need some special characters which unicode can do, but rev doesn't handle unicode very well. AltFont will enable me to use the special fonts I already have and I can kiss unicode good-bye for now! Was this announced on the list? I don't recall seeing it.

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From paulclaude at postino.it  Fri Mar  3 09:02:41 2006
From: paulclaude at postino.it (Paul Claude)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 15:02:41 +0100
Subject: Type a text from a palette stack to an external window
In-Reply-To: <C02B5AE3.3EA4%paulclaude@postino.it>
Message-ID: <C02E0B11.3F31%paulclaude@postino.it>

Anyone can help me in this matter? It's a Rev bug?


on 1-03-2006 14:06, Paul Claude at paulclaude at postino.it wrote:

> There is a way to let Revolution (also via Applescript) may type a text on
> an external app window (i.e. a text editor)?
> 
> I've tried using various AS tips to bring the ext. window to the frontmost,
> but every time the focus remains on the stack (a systemWindow style
> palette), and typing give back only an error sound.
> 
> 
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From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Fri Mar  3 09:03:25 2006
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9.Bisseret?=)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:03:25 +0100
Subject: resizable stack with Mac unresizable with Windows
Message-ID: <7BDF1901-AABE-11DA-BF3D-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>

Hi !
I have a stack whose resizable property is set to true.
I used the geometry manager to set position or scale of all the objects 
for which it was necessary (thanks to the very clear tutorial from ?ric 
Chatonet (So Smart Software), and the demo he recommends  from Chipp 
Walters, from Altuit.
The decorations are : Title, menu, minimize, maximize, close, metal.
Live Resizing is set to false

All is working very well on my Mac (G4, OS X, 10.2.8).
But on Windows (2000 or XP) the stack is not resizable (no button in 
the bottom right corner).

Well, I suppose I could work around that by covering  the normal 
"internal" button (that appears with Mac)   by another one including 
the script proposed by ?ric Chatonet in his tutorial and which runs 
very well. (I hope it would not disappear on Windows system !!! :-))).

But, frankly, I would prefer a more regular "internal" solution ;-)

  Any help would be very much appreciate

Best regards from Grenoble
Andr?




From rjb at robelko.com  Fri Mar  3 09:24:49 2006
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:24:49 +0100
Subject: XP Problem SOLVED!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603021721340.16824-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603021721340.16824-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <a06110403c02e00d2171f@[141.89.100.174]>

>Yup, Andre:
>
>That's apparently the cause!  I was able to u/l the file to RevOnline,
>install Rev on the PC in here and pull it down from there.
>
>Worked fine.
>
>Have advised the student that his drive is the problem.
>
>As for why we didn't try other options, well, there aren't any other
>options.  Neither of us had a burnable CD, the Macs are all OS 9 and most
>of them don't work at all, and even if they did, they're running Rev 2.5,
>and, finally, the FTP server corrupts as well as zero's out files
>unpredictably, so I couldn't distribute the files that way, either.
>Yikes.
>
>Thanks again!
>
>Judy

Such problems are specific only to certain USB stick technologies. 
Even though they all look alike, more or less, they use different 
storage technologies inside. I have encountered some problems with 
the newest, very cheap ones, including not being recognized by one or 
the other system, whereas older ones I have work reliably between 
OS9, OSX, and Windows.

Your problems with FTP server sound weird. But zipped stacks should 
transfer okay as email attachments if nothing else is available and 
anti-spam lets zip files through.

Robert


From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Fri Mar  3 09:38:55 2006
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 09:38:55 -0500
Subject: Table Inspector
In-Reply-To: <20060303112302.360F3825DD4@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060303112302.360F3825DD4@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <2BD2835E-B563-4568-B587-2DCA0356C7EE@videotron.ca>

That works most of the time.  It doesn't work or will take a long  
time (a few minutes) if there's lots of data in the field.

	Gregory

On Fri, Mar 3, 2006, at 6:23 AM, use-revolution- 
request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> Yeah, it just started happening one day for me too.. While it does  
> lock-up
> Rev, I've found that a simple CMD-. (CTRL-Pause for Windows users)  
> will
> bring it out of being unresponsive (mind you the palette will be  
> cut off but
> you can still set your tab stops =)



From europe at ehug.info  Fri Mar  3 10:00:13 2006
From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 16:00:13 +0100
Subject: resizable stack with Mac unresizable with Windows
In-Reply-To: <7BDF1901-AABE-11DA-BF3D-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>
References: <7BDF1901-AABE-11DA-BF3D-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <440859FD.8040704@ehug.info>

Hi Andr?,

I didn't test this in 2.7, but in earlier versions there used to 
be a problem that involved changing the decorations and affected 
the resizable of the stack on all Windows platforms. This is a 
Revolution bug that has already been reported to BugZilla:

<http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2178>

Since you're including all default decorations plus metal while 
there is no metal on Windows available, why don't you set the 
decorations to "default"? That should "solve" your problem.

Best,

Mark


Andr?.Bisseret wrote:
> Hi !
> I have a stack whose resizable property is set to true.
> I used the geometry manager to set position or scale of all the objects 
> for which it was necessary (thanks to the very clear tutorial from ?ric 
> Chatonet (So Smart Software), and the demo he recommends  from Chipp 
> Walters, from Altuit.
> The decorations are : Title, menu, minimize, maximize, close, metal.
> Live Resizing is set to false
> 
> All is working very well on my Mac (G4, OS X, 10.2.8).
> But on Windows (2000 or XP) the stack is not resizable (no button in the 
> bottom right corner).
> 
> Well, I suppose I could work around that by covering  the normal 
> "internal" button (that appears with Mac)   by another one including the 
> script proposed by ?ric Chatonet in his tutorial and which runs very 
> well. (I hope it would not disappear on Windows system !!! :-))).
> 
> But, frankly, I would prefer a more regular "internal" solution ;-)
> 
>  Any help would be very much appreciate
> 
> Best regards from Grenoble
> Andr?

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From wdesmet at wanadoo.nl  Fri Mar  3 10:35:23 2006
From: wdesmet at wanadoo.nl (William de Smet)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 16:35:23 +0100
Subject: How to change the label of a button to the contents of an editable
	field?
Message-ID: <B93E0E5E-56DB-4EA3-872E-78D4383E707E@wanadoo.nl>

Hi there,

I am trying to make the label of a button the same as the contents of  
an editable field.
So far I've come up with this:
set the label of button "1" to word 1 of field "1" but this returns  
the word "Field" as label of button 1.

I am stuck here but its probably very simple.
Is there someone out there who could help me?

greetings,

William de Smet


From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Fri Mar  3 10:39:45 2006
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 09:39:45 -0600
Subject: How to change the label of a button to the contents of an
 editable field?
In-Reply-To: <B93E0E5E-56DB-4EA3-872E-78D4383E707E@wanadoo.nl>
References: <B93E0E5E-56DB-4EA3-872E-78D4383E707E@wanadoo.nl>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060303093846.021ee2a8@exchange.slg.com>

set the label of button "1" to word 1 of the text of field "1"  should do 
the trick.

At 09:35 AM 3/3/2006, you wrote:
>Hi there,
>
>I am trying to make the label of a button the same as the contents of
>an editable field.
>So far I've come up with this:
>set the label of button "1" to word 1 of field "1" but this returns
>the word "Field" as label of button 1.
>
>I am stuck here but its probably very simple.
>Is there someone out there who could help me?
>
>greetings,
>
>William de Smet
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From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Mar  3 10:43:55 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 16:43:55 +0100
Subject: How to change the label of a button to the contents of an
	editable field?
In-Reply-To: <B93E0E5E-56DB-4EA3-872E-78D4383E707E@wanadoo.nl>
References: <B93E0E5E-56DB-4EA3-872E-78D4383E707E@wanadoo.nl>
Message-ID: <1C3BFB39-B94C-46A0-9A3C-47D565BE3DB4@major-k.de>

Dag William,

> Hi there,
>
> I am trying to make the label of a button the same as the contents  
> of an editable field.
> So far I've come up with this:
> set the label of button "1" to word 1 of field "1" but this returns  
> the word "Field" as label of button 1.
>
> I am stuck here but its probably very simple.
> Is there someone out there who could help me?

the syntax is correct actualy!

Question:
Do you mean the field/button with the number 1 (first field/button) or a
field/button NAMED "1"?

In the first case you should omit the quotes, in the second case
you really should use another name, since you may get very strange  
results
when naming object with a number!

Just call the field "field1" (button "button1") and then try again.

Works fine here :-)

> greetings,
>
> William de Smet

Groetjes

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From wdesmet at wanadoo.nl  Fri Mar  3 11:05:44 2006
From: wdesmet at wanadoo.nl (William de Smet)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 17:05:44 +0100
Subject: How to change the label of a button to the contents of an
	editable field?
In-Reply-To: <1C3BFB39-B94C-46A0-9A3C-47D565BE3DB4@major-k.de>
References: <B93E0E5E-56DB-4EA3-872E-78D4383E707E@wanadoo.nl>
	<1C3BFB39-B94C-46A0-9A3C-47D565BE3DB4@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <b016f13e0603030805p6bfc418x@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there,

I knew I would be simple: i made a new stack and tried it out and it works.
Thanks to Klaus and Peter.

Greetings,

William de Smet

2006/3/3, Klaus Major <klaus at major-k.de>:
> Dag William,
>
> > Hi there,
> >
> > I am trying to make the label of a button the same as the contents
> > of an editable field.
> > So far I've come up with this:
> > set the label of button "1" to word 1 of field "1" but this returns
> > the word "Field" as label of button 1.
> >
> > I am stuck here but its probably very simple.
> > Is there someone out there who could help me?
>
> the syntax is correct actualy!
>
> Question:
> Do you mean the field/button with the number 1 (first field/button) or a
> field/button NAMED "1"?
>
> In the first case you should omit the quotes, in the second case
> you really should use another name, since you may get very strange
> results
> when naming object with a number!
>
> Just call the field "field1" (button "button1") and then try again.
>
> Works fine here :-)
>
> > greetings,
> >
> > William de Smet
>
> Groetjes
>
> Klaus Major
> klaus at major-k.de
> http://www.major-k.de
>
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From rcozens at pon.net  Fri Mar  3 11:09:15 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 08:09:15 -0800
Subject: XP Problems Persist...
In-Reply-To: <68C29623-E5F1-4A80-82D0-C248AADDF6D6@mac.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603021645320.15866-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<68C29623-E5F1-4A80-82D0-C248AADDF6D6@mac.com>
Message-ID: <0FB6F766-AAD0-11DA-AD3C-0030657E1638@pon.net>

Judy, Andre, et al:

> it will sound stupid but I had tons of problems with my thumb drive 
> corrupting my rev stacks... after using it, rev would cease to 
> recognize the stacks. It was not a rev problem it was a cheap thumb 
> drive problem... have you tried to transfer the files using another 
> medium?
>

I had this problem moving v2.1.2 Mac stacks to v2.6.1 Rev on XP.

It didn't seem to be the media (Lexar JumpDrive), because compressed 
stacks dragged from the Mac to the JumpDrive expanded correctly on the 
XP.

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From dll392 at gmail.com  Fri Mar  3 11:27:22 2006
From: dll392 at gmail.com (Derek Larsen)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 09:27:22 -0700
Subject: Importing and export text with foreign accents
Message-ID: <57a643190603030827naf3395eqb6cb83ed13ef1594@mail.gmail.com>

I'm having a little trouble importing a tab deliminted text file
(saved from excel), having rev organize it, then saving it out as an
xml file.

The import and text manipulation works just fine, but when it comes
time to export the data out to text files, all the foreign characters
(accents, umlauts, etc,) get converted to squares or questions marks.

Initially I tried straight open, write, and close file statements.

Then I tried unicodeText and uniEncode/uniDecode statements and it's
still a no go.

Is there a tech sheet somewhere that's explains more about how runrev
deals with special characters?

Any insight would be appreciated!

--
Derek


From europe at ehug.info  Fri Mar  3 12:08:16 2006
From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 18:08:16 +0100
Subject: Importing and export text with foreign accents
In-Reply-To: <57a643190603030827naf3395eqb6cb83ed13ef1594@mail.gmail.com>
References: <57a643190603030827naf3395eqb6cb83ed13ef1594@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44087800.8000309@ehug.info>

Hi Derek,

Even if you are using diacritics, as they are called, there is 
no reason to use unicode. Only if the text you are exporting 
contains Arabic, Polish, Bulgarian etc characters, which are not 
in the ASCII character set, you might need to use unicode.

Does your text contain characters that are not in the ASCII 
character set? If you are exporting as XML, you may have to use 
the htmlText instead of plain text.

Best,

Mark

Derek Larsen wrote:
> I'm having a little trouble importing a tab deliminted text file
> (saved from excel), having rev organize it, then saving it out as an
> xml file.
> 
> The import and text manipulation works just fine, but when it comes
> time to export the data out to text files, all the foreign characters
> (accents, umlauts, etc,) get converted to squares or questions marks.
> 
> Initially I tried straight open, write, and close file statements.
> 
> Then I tried unicodeText and uniEncode/uniDecode statements and it's
> still a no go.
> 
> Is there a tech sheet somewhere that's explains more about how runrev
> deals with special characters?
> 
> Any insight would be appreciated!

-- 

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From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Fri Mar  3 12:11:30 2006
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 12:11:30 -0500
Subject: Importing and export text with foreign accents
In-Reply-To: <44087800.8000309@ehug.info>
References: <57a643190603030827naf3395eqb6cb83ed13ef1594@mail.gmail.com>
	<44087800.8000309@ehug.info>
Message-ID: <58757EDA-3A31-4BFE-9FE4-2D630011BF84@conncoll.edu>

Is this really true? My impression is that characters >128 are  
different in the "ASCII" character sets on Mac and Windows.

Charles


On Mar 3, 2006, at 12:08 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Hi Derek,
>
> Even if you are using diacritics, as they are called, there is no  
> reason to use unicode. Only if the text you are exporting contains  
> Arabic, Polish, Bulgarian etc characters, which are not in the  
> ASCII character set, you might need to use unicode.
>
> Does your text contain characters that are not in the ASCII  
> character set? If you are exporting as XML, you may have to use the  
> htmlText instead of plain text.
>
> Best,
>
> Mark
>
> Derek Larsen wrote:
>> I'm having a little trouble importing a tab deliminted text file
>> (saved from excel), having rev organize it, then saving it out as an
>> xml file.
>> The import and text manipulation works just fine, but when it comes
>> time to export the data out to text files, all the foreign characters
>> (accents, umlauts, etc,) get converted to squares or questions marks.
>> Initially I tried straight open, write, and close file statements.
>> Then I tried unicodeText and uniEncode/uniDecode statements and it's
>> still a no go.
>> Is there a tech sheet somewhere that's explains more about how runrev
>> deals with special characters?
>> Any insight would be appreciated!
>
> -- 
>
> Consultant and Software Engineer
> mailto:m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com
> http://www.economy-x-talk.com
>
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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Fri Mar  3 12:56:18 2006
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 12:56:18 -0500
Subject: AltBrowser--wow.
In-Reply-To: <20060303122055.C86647E432@xprdmxin.myway.com>
References: <20060303122055.C86647E432@xprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <705ECB13-67F3-4785-A76D-CEB8DA98B24A@adelphia.net>

Tom,

I also struggled with altBrowser 1 and have just finished building my  
first web browser into my project and can definitely say it is  
fantastic. Once I got my email address correct it was a breeze to  
use, install and impress the heck out of every one that sees it. I  
had my own address wrong for the registration. DUH.

Anyway, bravo to Chipp and team on a superb product, definitely worth  
the effort and you can't beat the price.

Tom

I also got the altFont application and have not used it yet.

On Mar 3, 2006, at 7:20 AM, Thomas McCarthy wrote:

>
> Last summer I wrote a message airing publicly my complaints about  
> this product. It was a bit of vitrol after frustrating attempts to  
> get it to work (yes, I had read the manuals!)
>
> I shot off an angry letter to the Altuit team about what I found as  
> shortcommings:
> 1. the demo on the site was not the latest (bug-free) version
> 2. the obvious pit-fall (which even Dan Shafer fell into)--not  
> ensuring the plug-in was installed was not properly covered.
> 3. the demo stack tried to cram every type of function onto one  
> card making it rather daunting to a newbie.
>
> Well, somebody over there was listening! Each and every one of  
> those concerns has been so well addressed you wouldn't know it was  
> the same product that caused me heart-burn.
>
> Downloading and installing is a breeze, updating couldn't be easier  
> and the demo stack gracefully guides you through the features. Bravo!
>
> BTW. I decided to take a look at AltBrowser again after happening  
> across AltFont (which similarly is a joy to install). AltFont is an  
> answer to a lot of my dreams. I need some special characters which  
> unicode can do, but rev doesn't handle unicode very well. AltFont  
> will enable me to use the special fonts I already have and I can  
> kiss unicode good-bye for now! Was this announced on the list? I  
> don't recall seeing it.
>
> tm
>
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Fri Mar  3 13:13:16 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 10:13:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: How to change the label of a button to the contents of an
 editable field?
In-Reply-To: <1C3BFB39-B94C-46A0-9A3C-47D565BE3DB4@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603031012120.7372-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

And, of course,

couldn't one just edit the contents of the label field itself using the
object inspector?

Judy

On Fri, 3 Mar 2006, Klaus Major wrote:

> the syntax is correct actualy!
>
> Question:
> Do you mean the field/button with the number 1 (first field/button) or a
> field/button NAMED "1"?
>
> In the first case you should omit the quotes, in the second case
> you really should use another name, since you may get very strange
> results
> when naming object with a number!
>
> Just call the field "field1" (button "button1") and then try again.



From wdesmet at wanadoo.nl  Fri Mar  3 13:16:58 2006
From: wdesmet at wanadoo.nl (William de Smet)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 19:16:58 +0100
Subject: How to change the label of a button to the contents of an
	editable field?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603031012120.7372-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <1C3BFB39-B94C-46A0-9A3C-47D565BE3DB4@major-k.de>
	<Pine.GSO.4.33.0603031012120.7372-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <b016f13e0603031016g7f3c386du@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Judy,

I am working on a standalone application where the user need to change this.
So without RR!

greetings, William



2006/3/3, Judy Perry <jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu>:
> And, of course,
>
> couldn't one just edit the contents of the label field itself using the
> object inspector?
>
> Judy
>
> On Fri, 3 Mar 2006, Klaus Major wrote:
>
> > the syntax is correct actualy!
> >
> > Question:
> > Do you mean the field/button with the number 1 (first field/button) or a
> > field/button NAMED "1"?
> >
> > In the first case you should omit the quotes, in the second case
> > you really should use another name, since you may get very strange
> > results
> > when naming object with a number!
> >
> > Just call the field "field1" (button "button1") and then try again.
>
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From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Fri Mar  3 13:18:25 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 18:18:25 +0000
Subject: XP - Applescript equivalents
In-Reply-To: <A6E9D283-3516-4848-ACAA-B853E0C58138@together.net>
References: <C02D4FF5.35906%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<A6E9D283-3516-4848-ACAA-B853E0C58138@together.net>
Message-ID: <45655089-2F69-4EB0-BF41-D335BE50BF4D@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

The only way I can think to do this is to write External Commands  
that in C/C++ interface to the relevant Windows APIs and return the  
information to RunRev.

All the Best
Dave

On 3 Mar 2006, at 11:53, Richard Miller wrote:

> Our Rev program is Mac based. We want to run it under XP. We use  
> three Applescript-based functions in this program that need to be  
> replaced under XP. I'm looking for suggestions on how best to do  
> this. The three functions:
>
> - get the status of the internal battery (on a laptop)
> - get the wireless strength (was airport status)
> - switch wireless connection (was switch airport connection)
>
> I'm guessing there are DLL's to do this, but perhaps none already  
> compatible with Rev. I realize we can use non-Rev DLL's. Perhaps  
> that's the best option. I'd like to hear other opinions.
>
> Thanks.
> Richard Miller
> Imprinter Technologies
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From soapdog at mac.com  Fri Mar  3 13:27:02 2006
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:27:02 -0300
Subject: XP - Applescript equivalents
In-Reply-To: <45655089-2F69-4EB0-BF41-D335BE50BF4D@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <C02D4FF5.35906%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<A6E9D283-3516-4848-ACAA-B853E0C58138@together.net>
	<45655089-2F69-4EB0-BF41-D335BE50BF4D@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <971E43E0-DEBF-4477-AA91-266CC3CAF703@mac.com>

Richard and David,

check to see if there are shell commands for that, easier then doing  
C/C++ stuff...

cheers
andre


On Mar 3, 2006, at 3:18 PM, David Burgun wrote:

> Hi,
>
> The only way I can think to do this is to write External Commands  
> that in C/C++ interface to the relevant Windows APIs and return the  
> information to RunRev.
>
> All the Best
> Dave
>
> On 3 Mar 2006, at 11:53, Richard Miller wrote:
>
>> Our Rev program is Mac based. We want to run it under XP. We use  
>> three Applescript-based functions in this program that need to be  
>> replaced under XP. I'm looking for suggestions on how best to do  
>> this. The three functions:
>>
>> - get the status of the internal battery (on a laptop)
>> - get the wireless strength (was airport status)
>> - switch wireless connection (was switch airport connection)
>>
>> I'm guessing there are DLL's to do this, but perhaps none already  
>> compatible with Rev. I realize we can use non-Rev DLL's. Perhaps  
>> that's the best option. I'd like to hear other opinions.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Richard Miller
>> Imprinter Technologies
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
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From europe at ehug.info  Fri Mar  3 13:29:08 2006
From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 19:29:08 +0100
Subject: Importing and export text with foreign accents
In-Reply-To: <58757EDA-3A31-4BFE-9FE4-2D630011BF84@conncoll.edu>
References: <57a643190603030827naf3395eqb6cb83ed13ef1594@mail.gmail.com>	<44087800.8000309@ehug.info>
	<58757EDA-3A31-4BFE-9FE4-2D630011BF84@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <44088AF4.4010007@ehug.info>

Hi Charles,

You are right, but as I understand it from Derek's question, his 
text file is only an intermediate result for use on the same 
platform. Still, even if he is going to use the text on a 
different platform, while the text being plain ascii, htmlText 
or even a script to convert the text might be a better solution 
than unicode.

I think we need a little more information from Derek to decide 
what is the best method for him.

Best,

Mark

Charles Hartman wrote:
> Is this really true? My impression is that characters >128 are  
> different in the "ASCII" character sets on Mac and Windows.
> 
> Charles

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From jonseymour at mac.com  Fri Mar  3 13:56:45 2006
From: jonseymour at mac.com (Jon Seymour)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 12:56:45 -0600
Subject: Truncating text with vGrid property
Message-ID: <DC9DF317-96B1-41AD-9ABD-EFAC0D7CA515@mac.com>

The Rev documentation states that

If the  vgrid property is true, Revolution draws a vertical line at  
each tab stop position in the field. The lines are drawn in the  
field's borderColor. This property is useful for fields that are used  
like a spreadsheet, with each tab stop marking a column.

Any text in a column is truncated when it reaches the right edge of  
the column. To show the entire contents of the column, drag over the  
text to select it. If text at the end of a line does not have a tab  
following it--that is, if it's the last column in the field--it is  
not truncated.

If the field's tabStops property is set to empty, the vgrid lines are  
drawn every 32 pixels, but the text is not truncated to individual  
cells.


However, despite having tabstops set, vGrid set to true, and seeing  
the actual vertical lines drawn just fine, I observe a different  
behavior with the text on both Mac OSX and Win32 platforms.  
Specifically, the text is NOT truncated, but simply continues to be  
rendered in addition to (overalpping) the text in the adjacent  
columns, creating an extremely messy presentation. Does anyone have  
any thoughts on how to produce the documented behavior?

Thanks,

Jon

From jeff at siphonophore.com  Fri Mar  3 14:06:15 2006
From: jeff at siphonophore.com (jeffrey reynolds)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:06:15 -0500
Subject: XP Problems Persist...
In-Reply-To: <20060303112302.91329825E01@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060303112302.91329825E01@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <F328803B-0011-4B5F-8BBC-FDF0CEC3C3B9@siphonophore.com>

I have seen flash drives create two files when doing a os9 <> osx  
transfers between computers. one is a dummy file maybe containing the  
resource fork? they sometimes look pretty much the same, but one is  
functional. this varies with the drive and i think may be due to the  
drivers on the drive and how its handling the transfer. have never  
had the files come across corrupted though.

jeff


On Mar 3, 2006, at 6:23 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

> Stephen,
>
> An interesting spotlight... we had, indeed, been going between his XP
> machine, any semi-working OS 9 machine and my OS X laptop...
>
> Judy
>
> On Thu, 2 Mar 2006, Stephen Barncard wrote:
>
>> Especially had problems using a thumb drive between sys9 and 10.
>



From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Fri Mar  3 14:33:21 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 11:33:21 -0800
Subject: XP - Applescript equivalents
In-Reply-To: <971E43E0-DEBF-4477-AA91-266CC3CAF703@mac.com>
References: <C02D4FF5.35906%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<A6E9D283-3516-4848-ACAA-B853E0C58138@together.net>
	<45655089-2F69-4EB0-BF41-D335BE50BF4D@dsl.pipex.com>
	<971E43E0-DEBF-4477-AA91-266CC3CAF703@mac.com>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603031133u47a098aewb1efd46463c7aad4@mail.gmail.com>

I don't have recent experience with it and I"m not even sure it's still
supported, but back in the day when I had to worry about such things, I
found Windows Scripting (
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnanchor/html/scriptinga.asp)
to be awfullyl nice and relatively usable. You can script from a Windows app
using VBScript or JScript. Not sure how you'd embed or attach to a Rev app,
but I suspect it's possible.


On 3/3/06, Andre Garzia <soapdog at mac.com> wrote:
>
> Richard and David,
>
> check to see if there are shell commands for that, easier then doing
> C/C++ stuff...
>
> cheers
> andre
>
>
> On Mar 3, 2006, at 3:18 PM, David Burgun wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > The only way I can think to do this is to write External Commands
> > that in C/C++ interface to the relevant Windows APIs and return the
> > information to RunRev.
> >
> > All the Best
> > Dave
> >
> > On 3 Mar 2006, at 11:53, Richard Miller wrote:
> >
> >> Our Rev program is Mac based. We want to run it under XP. We use
> >> three Applescript-based functions in this program that need to be
> >> replaced under XP. I'm looking for suggestions on how best to do
> >> this. The three functions:
> >>
> >> - get the status of the internal battery (on a laptop)
> >> - get the wireless strength (was airport status)
> >> - switch wireless connection (was switch airport connection)
> >>
> >> I'm guessing there are DLL's to do this, but perhaps none already
> >> compatible with Rev. I realize we can use non-Rev DLL's. Perhaps
> >> that's the best option. I'd like to hear other opinions.
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >> Richard Miller
> >> Imprinter Technologies
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-revolution mailing list
> >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
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> >
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From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Fri Mar  3 14:34:36 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 11:34:36 -0800
Subject: XP Problems Persist...
In-Reply-To: <F328803B-0011-4B5F-8BBC-FDF0CEC3C3B9@siphonophore.com>
References: <20060303112302.91329825E01@mail.runrev.com>
	<F328803B-0011-4B5F-8BBC-FDF0CEC3C3B9@siphonophore.com>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603031134q57e46161vd872f8be96b115db@mail.gmail.com>

There's been a fair amount of chatter on various lists and boards I monitor
about treating a thumb drive more like a remote drive than an attached drive
in the sense that compressed files seem to go over to them much more cleanly
and reliably than uncompressed files.

The discussion here seems to bear that out.


On 3/3/06, jeffrey reynolds <jeff at siphonophore.com> wrote:
>
> I have seen flash drives create two files when doing a os9 <> osx
> transfers between computers. one is a dummy file maybe containing the
> resource fork? they sometimes look pretty much the same, but one is
> functional. this varies with the drive and i think may be due to the
> drivers on the drive and how its handling the transfer. have never
> had the files come across corrupted though.
>
> jeff
>
>
> On Mar 3, 2006, at 6:23 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com
> wrote:
>
> > Stephen,
> >
> > An interesting spotlight... we had, indeed, been going between his XP
> > machine, any semi-working OS 9 machine and my OS X laptop...
> >
> > Judy
> >
> > On Thu, 2 Mar 2006, Stephen Barncard wrote:
> >
> >> Especially had problems using a thumb drive between sys9 and 10.
> >
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Mar  3 14:49:17 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 13:49:17 -0600
Subject: Player Problem in Rev 2.7 on Windows
In-Reply-To: <0B63C783-A28E-4EE1-A00F-EA3DD7C5E9EB@buffalo.edu>
References: <44054518.6060606@chipp.com>
	<0B63C783-A28E-4EE1-A00F-EA3DD7C5E9EB@buffalo.edu>
Message-ID: <44089DBD.6040503@hyperactivesw.com>

Timothy Bleiler wrote:

> The problem
> Player does not play video when the alwaysBuffer is true from the  
> controller. Keyboard message will start the player but the frame rate  
> is way below the setting.

Yes, it's standard behavior, and in the docs. Players with alwaysBuffer 
set to true must be scripted to work, as the controller is not active in 
that case. To use the built-in controller, alwaysBuffer must be false. 
Setting it to true can also affect the playback rate. It isn't a bug, it 
is just how it works. There is more explanation in the dictionary entry 
for "alwaysBuffer".

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Mar  3 14:59:46 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 11:59:46 -0800
Subject: Player Problem in Rev 2.7 on Windows
In-Reply-To: <44089DBD.6040503@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <44054518.6060606@chipp.com>	<0B63C783-A28E-4EE1-A00F-EA3DD7C5E9EB@buffalo.edu>
	<44089DBD.6040503@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4408A032.4000506@fourthworld.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Timothy Bleiler wrote:
> 
>> The problem
>> Player does not play video when the alwaysBuffer is true from the  
>> controller. Keyboard message will start the player but the frame rate  
>> is way below the setting.
> 
> Yes, it's standard behavior, and in the docs. Players with alwaysBuffer 
> set to true must be scripted to work, as the controller is not active in 
> that case. To use the built-in controller, alwaysBuffer must be false. 
> Setting it to true can also affect the playback rate. It isn't a bug, it 
> is just how it works. There is more explanation in the dictionary entry 
> for "alwaysBuffer".

Why isn't the controller shown as disabled when the alwaysBuffer is true?

-- 
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  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From jonathandlynch at gmail.com  Fri Mar  3 15:05:36 2006
From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (Jonathan Lynch)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:05:36 -0500
Subject: Truncating text with vGrid property
In-Reply-To: <DC9DF317-96B1-41AD-9ABD-EFAC0D7CA515@mac.com>
References: <DC9DF317-96B1-41AD-9ABD-EFAC0D7CA515@mac.com>
Message-ID: <31e1938c0603031205j68c105c6k2ed700b917a39aa3@mail.gmail.com>

I have a pseudo field object. It is a group that contains rows and fields.
It works very much like you would expect a table to work, allows for
inserting columns and rows, easily moving columns and rows, etc...

All the scripting and object involved can be a bit memory intensive, so if
you need something for storing several megabytes of information, my table
object would not work for you. However, if you need it as a user interface,
it would probably work quite well. I use modified versions of this table
object extensively throughout Task Mage.

So, if you want it, just let me know and I will Email it to you.

Take care,

Jonathan


On 3/3/06, Jon Seymour <jonseymour at mac.com> wrote:
>
> The Rev documentation states that
>
> If the  vgrid property is true, Revolution draws a vertical line at
> each tab stop position in the field. The lines are drawn in the
> field's borderColor. This property is useful for fields that are used
> like a spreadsheet, with each tab stop marking a column.
>
> Any text in a column is truncated when it reaches the right edge of
> the column. To show the entire contents of the column, drag over the
> text to select it. If text at the end of a line does not have a tab
> following it--that is, if it's the last column in the field--it is
> not truncated.
>
> If the field's tabStops property is set to empty, the vgrid lines are
> drawn every 32 pixels, but the text is not truncated to individual
> cells.
>
>
> However, despite having tabstops set, vGrid set to true, and seeing
> the actual vertical lines drawn just fine, I observe a different
> behavior with the text on both Mac OSX and Win32 platforms.
> Specifically, the text is NOT truncated, but simply continues to be
> rendered in addition to (overalpping) the text in the adjacent
> columns, creating an extremely messy presentation. Does anyone have
> any thoughts on how to produce the documented behavior?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jon
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Mar  3 15:11:25 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:11:25 -0600
Subject: AltBrowser--wow.
In-Reply-To: <705ECB13-67F3-4785-A76D-CEB8DA98B24A@adelphia.net>
References: <20060303122055.C86647E432@xprdmxin.myway.com>
	<705ECB13-67F3-4785-A76D-CEB8DA98B24A@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <4408A2ED.70303@chipp.com>

Tom and Tom,

Thanks for the compliments on altBrowser. On rare occasion, we actually 
do listen to feedback from our users. (Chris finally bought me a battery 
for the hearing aid ;-)

With the new altBrowser DEMO/Install stack, it's super easy for us to 
upgrade users with features and fixes as needed. We'll be sure and 
mention any significant ones on our website and RevCentral.

Tom McCarthy, if you're interested in keeping up-to-date on the goings 
on of Rev 3rd party products, be sure and sign-up over at 
www.RevCentral.com for the RevCentral newsletter. There will be some new 
announcements there very shortly.

As you can imagine, creating altBrowser2 was a lot of work. Comments 
like both of yours certainly help make it worthwhile :-)

best,

Chipp

--------
For those of you who still have not taken a minute to tryout the 
altBrowser2 demo all you have to do is launch Revolution and and copy 
and paste the below script into your message box:

go URL "http://www.gadgetplugins.com/altbrowser/altBrowserLauncher.rev"



Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> Anyway, bravo to Chipp and team on a superb product, definitely worth  
> the effort and you can't beat the price.

> On Mar 3, 2006, at 7:20 AM, Thomas McCarthy wrote:

>> Well, somebody over there was listening! Each and every one of  those 
>> concerns has been so well addressed you wouldn't know it was  the same 
>> product that caused me heart-burn.



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Mar  3 15:16:41 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:16:41 -0600
Subject: Player Problem in Rev 2.7 on Windows
In-Reply-To: <4408A032.4000506@fourthworld.com>
References: <44054518.6060606@chipp.com>	<0B63C783-A28E-4EE1-A00F-EA3DD7C5E9EB@buffalo.edu>	<44089DBD.6040503@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4408A032.4000506@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4408A429.4000503@hyperactivesw.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
> Why isn't the controller shown as disabled when the alwaysBuffer is true?
> 

Is that possible? I don't remember ever seeing a disabled controller.

-- 
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Mar  3 15:52:52 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 06:52:52 +1000
Subject: Type a text from a palette stack to an external window
In-Reply-To: <C02E0B11.3F31%paulclaude@postino.it>
References: <C02E0B11.3F31%paulclaude@postino.it>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603031252o4e738ee1reb0e5b3ae9562899@mail.gmail.com>

> on 1-03-2006 14:06, Paul Claude at paulclaude at postino.it wrote:
>
> > There is a way to let Revolution (also via Applescript) may type a text on
> > an external app window (i.e. a text editor)?
> >
> > I've tried using various AS tips to bring the ext. window to the frontmost,
> > but every time the focus remains on the stack (a systemWindow style
> > palette), and typing give back only an error sound.

This is the correct behavior for a window set to systemWindow style -
it will always stay at the front. Try making it a normal palette but
not setting it to systemWindow.

HTH,
Sarah


From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Fri Mar  3 16:36:11 2006
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 22:36:11 +0100
Subject: Do you want to save changes to this stack ..... ?
Message-ID: <8f279064c046e8f31b15c70671fddefd@wanadoo.fr>

Ch?re Jacqueline (as they would say here  !),

You have answered most of my questions.

Most of my finished stacks will be run (by collegues) on a PC,
under the PC Rev Engine, so if I take control of saving, I can forget
about automatic saving, as it happens on my Mac.

Now I know more about what constitutes a "change" and to who ?

Now I know that I must control the save, and when the stack is run under
Rev Engine (PC)  or Stack Runner (Mac) , I won't get a save request.

I still don't understand how "SaveStackRequest" works, but that also
is no longer important, based upon previous answers.

Many Thanks.

-Francis




From stephenmcnutt at mac.com  Fri Mar  3 17:23:37 2006
From: stephenmcnutt at mac.com (Stephen McNutt)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 17:23:37 -0500
Subject: Common Causes of Crashes
Message-ID: <725B8A37-69D1-4CD5-A983-B963075C15E5@mac.com>

I've got a stack I've been working on for years, but it started  
crashing recently.  What are some common causes of crashing I can  
look for in my troubleshooting?


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Fri Mar  3 17:25:54 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:25:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: How to change the label of a button to the contents of an
 editable field?
In-Reply-To: <b016f13e0603031016g7f3c386du@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603031425220.13057-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

William,

Oh, okay.

I always take the idiot's way out ;-)

Judy

On Fri, 3 Mar 2006, William de Smet wrote:

> I am working on a standalone application where the user need to change this.
> So without RR!



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Fri Mar  3 17:28:43 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:28:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: XP Problems Persist...
In-Reply-To: <F328803B-0011-4B5F-8BBC-FDF0CEC3C3B9@siphonophore.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603031426210.13057-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Jeff,

Actually, we saw this happen when doing an osx <> XP transfer.

The one was the 'regular' file that we couldn't open, the other was
identical except that the file name had I think it was a leading _ or_.
attached.

Neither was functional :-(

Thanks, though!

Judy
On Fri, 3 Mar 2006, jeffrey reynolds wrote:

> I have seen flash drives create two files when doing a os9 <> osx
> transfers between computers. one is a dummy file maybe containing the
> resource fork? they sometimes look pretty much the same, but one is
> functional. this varies with the drive and i think may be due to the
> drivers on the drive and how its handling the transfer. have never
> had the files come across corrupted though.



From Stgoldberg at aol.com  Fri Mar  3 17:55:05 2006
From: Stgoldberg at aol.com (Stgoldberg at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 17:55:05 EST
Subject: Cursor not showing up in standalone
Message-ID: <cf.38f830bd.313a2349@aol.com>

I hope this is a simple matter and I'm just overlooking the obvious: I'd like 
the cursor to change to a magnifying glass when the mouse is down, so I've 
written:

on mouseDown
set cursor to 378
set lockcursor true
end mouseDown

This works fine before the standalone.   But after the standalone, the cursor 
does not show up either on the Mac or Windows version (I'm developing on a 
Mac OS X).   I've also checked off "Select inclusions for the standalone 
application" and "Cursors"   in the General Standalone Application Settings.   Am I 
missing something?   Thanks very much.
Steve Goldberg


From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Mar  3 18:05:30 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 17:05:30 -0600
Subject: Cursor not showing up in standalone
In-Reply-To: <cf.38f830bd.313a2349@aol.com>
References: <cf.38f830bd.313a2349@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4408CBBA.8030808@chipp.com>

Hi Steve,

I manually copy the cursor to my stacks and assign it an ID I know won't 
conflict.

Then I do:

set cursor to the id of img "magGlass"

hth, chipp

Stgoldberg at aol.com wrote:

>I hope this is a simple matter and I'm just overlooking the obvious: I'd like 
>the cursor to change to a magnifying glass when the mouse is down, so I've 
>written:
>
>on mouseDown
>set cursor to 378
>set lockcursor true
>end mouseDown
>
>This works fine before the standalone.   But after the standalone, the cursor 
>does not show up either on the Mac or Windows version (I'm developing on a 
>Mac OS X).   I've also checked off "Select inclusions for the standalone 
>application" and "Cursors"   in the General Standalone Application Settings.   Am I 
>missing something?   Thanks very much.
>Steve Goldberg
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>
>  
>

-- 

-------------- Chipp Walters www.altuit.com



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Mar  3 18:05:53 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 09:05:53 +1000
Subject: Common Causes of Crashes
In-Reply-To: <725B8A37-69D1-4CD5-A983-B963075C15E5@mac.com>
References: <725B8A37-69D1-4CD5-A983-B963075C15E5@mac.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603031505v4b75f60ah2e26b6eec28bb517@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/4/06, Stephen McNutt <stephenmcnutt at mac.com> wrote:
> I've got a stack I've been working on for years, but it started
> crashing recently.  What are some common causes of crashing I can
> look for in my troubleshooting?

There have been cases were an imported image has got corrupt and can
cause trouble. Does your stack contain any images? If so, make a
backup and try deleting them and see if it fixes it. Then add them
back in and try to isolate the one with the problem.

HTH,
Sarah


From europe at ehug.info  Fri Mar  3 18:07:19 2006
From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 00:07:19 +0100
Subject: Truncating text with vGrid property
In-Reply-To: <DC9DF317-96B1-41AD-9ABD-EFAC0D7CA515@mac.com>
References: <DC9DF317-96B1-41AD-9ABD-EFAC0D7CA515@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4408CC27.7010800@ehug.info>

Hi John,

Have you set the cell editing of the table to true? I.e. 
cRevTable["celledit"] = true? If so, the text should be truncated.

Best,

Mark

Jon Seymour wrote:
> The Rev documentation states that
> 
> If the  vgrid property is true, Revolution draws a vertical line at  
> each tab stop position in the field. The lines are drawn in the  field's 
> borderColor. This property is useful for fields that are used  like a 
> spreadsheet, with each tab stop marking a column.
> 
<snip>

  Specifically, the
> text is NOT truncated, but simply continues to be  rendered in addition 
> to (overalpping) the text in the adjacent  columns, creating an 
> extremely messy presentation. Does anyone have  any thoughts on how to 
> produce the documented behavior?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jon

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From revolution at jaedworks.com  Fri Mar  3 18:07:37 2006
From: revolution at jaedworks.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:07:37 -0800
Subject: First color, second color third color, etc
In-Reply-To: <129.6eec342e.31398e51@aol.com>
References: <129.6eec342e.31398e51@aol.com>
Message-ID: <p06210278c02e7c507a8c@[66.93.39.98]>

At 7:19 AM -0500 3/3/2006, Stgoldberg at aol.com wrote:
>I have been puzzled by the color feature in the object inspector for some of
>the objects (e.g. images) which list the options of "First color, second
>color, third color etc." What does this do?   If I check off a color, nothing
>happens and the option disappears on leaving the object inspector.   Perhaps
>someone can clarify this.   Thanks.

The short answer is that for images, the foregroundColor (aka 
firstColor), backgroundColor (aka secondColor), and the other six 
colors aren't especially useful and should probably be ignored. (They 
are the first eight colors in the image's color palette, and may very 
well not be used *in* the image to begin with.)
-- 
jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
http://www.jaedworks.com


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Mar  3 18:10:48 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 09:10:48 +1000
Subject: Truncating text with vGrid property
In-Reply-To: <4408CC27.7010800@ehug.info>
References: <DC9DF317-96B1-41AD-9ABD-EFAC0D7CA515@mac.com>
	<4408CC27.7010800@ehug.info>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603031510j7499630bk359faf18ee8dfb14@mail.gmail.com>

> Jon Seymour wrote:
> > The Rev documentation states that
> >
> > If the  vgrid property is true, Revolution draws a vertical line at
> > each tab stop position in the field. The lines are drawn in the  field's
> > borderColor. This property is useful for fields that are used  like a
> > spreadsheet, with each tab stop marking a column.
> >
> <snip>
>
>   Specifically, the
> > text is NOT truncated, but simply continues to be  rendered in addition
> > to (overalpping) the text in the adjacent  columns, creating an
> > extremely messy presentation. Does anyone have  any thoughts on how to
> > produce the documented behavior?
> >

I have found that the text is only truncated if there is some next in
the next column. If this is your problem, you may want to fill empty
columns in each line with a space so as to fool the system into
thinking there is text there.

Cheers,
Sarah


From europe at ehug.info  Fri Mar  3 18:16:27 2006
From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 00:16:27 +0100
Subject: Truncating text with vGrid property
In-Reply-To: <4408CC27.7010800@ehug.info>
References: <DC9DF317-96B1-41AD-9ABD-EFAC0D7CA515@mac.com>
	<4408CC27.7010800@ehug.info>
Message-ID: <4408CE4B.8080507@ehug.info>

Jon,

Sorry, my previous post was incomplete.

Have you set the cell editing of the table to true? I.e.
cRevTable["celledit"] = true? If so, the text should be truncated.

Additionally, you seem to have to set the locktext to true to 
have the columns truncated, but it only works after you edit the 
text and then not always/immediately.

Best,

Mark



> Jon Seymour wrote:
> 
>> The Rev documentation states that
>>
>> If the  vgrid property is true, Revolution draws a vertical line at  
>> each tab stop position in the field. The lines are drawn in the  
>> field's borderColor. This property is useful for fields that are used  
>> like a spreadsheet, with each tab stop marking a column.
>>
> <snip>
> 
>  Specifically, the
>> text is NOT truncated, but simply continues to be  rendered in 
>> addition to (overalpping) the text in the adjacent  columns, creating 
>> an extremely messy presentation. Does anyone have  any thoughts on how 
>> to produce the documented behavior?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jon
> 
> 

-- 

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http://www.economy-x-talk.com

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From bridgeyman at gmail.com  Fri Mar  3 19:38:12 2006
From: bridgeyman at gmail.com (Bridger Maxwell)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 17:38:12 -0700
Subject: It Variable
Message-ID: <86ae76bb0603031638v5b3c12bbpc04714c0a5a33dc0@mail.gmail.com>

I just made a giant switch from Hypercard to Revolution.  In Hypercard
networking we used "request thedata from program theComputer" to request
data from across an appletalk network.  In Revolution this didn't work
anymore so we made a new command, "Netrequest" that serves the same
function.  "netrequest thedata,theComputer"  The problem is that in
Hypercard put the data into the it variable when it is done.  Without
changing the script in the card where it initiates the netrequest command
(such as in the card or a button), can I add something the to stack script
where the command is contained so it puts the result into the it variable?

   TTFN
     Bridgeyman


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Mar  3 20:21:41 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 11:21:41 +1000
Subject: It Variable
In-Reply-To: <86ae76bb0603031638v5b3c12bbpc04714c0a5a33dc0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <86ae76bb0603031638v5b3c12bbpc04714c0a5a33dc0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603031721s1313b2e1qc7ef2c6a9cc4a438@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/4/06, Bridger Maxwell <bridgeyman at gmail.com> wrote:
> I just made a giant switch from Hypercard to Revolution.  In Hypercard
> networking we used "request thedata from program theComputer" to request
> data from across an appletalk network.  In Revolution this didn't work
> anymore so we made a new command, "Netrequest" that serves the same
> function.  "netrequest thedata,theComputer"  The problem is that in
> Hypercard put the data into the it variable when it is done.  Without
> changing the script in the card where it initiates the netrequest command
> (such as in the card or a button), can I add something the to stack script
> where the command is contained so it puts the result into the it variable?


netrequest thedata,theComputer
get the result
-- "it" will now contain whatever was returned from the netrequest handler.

HTH,
Sarah


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Fri Mar  3 20:37:24 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 17:37:24 -0800
Subject: Common Causes of Crashes
In-Reply-To: <725B8A37-69D1-4CD5-A983-B963075C15E5@mac.com>
References: <725B8A37-69D1-4CD5-A983-B963075C15E5@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06230907c02e9a5724f4@[192.168.1.101]>

It happened to me when cutting, editing or pasting text in a field. 
Randomly. Only one time did I get a MacOS Error dialog - so before 
sending it to Apple (where do all those crash reports go) I copied it 
and created a text file with the info, and went to bugzilla and 
reported the crash and the report.

Just got this in the mail today...

so they're working on it...

Subject: [Bug 3359] Mysterious random Crash -  LOG available on the net

http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=3359

marcus at runrev.com changed:

            What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
              Status|UNCONFIRMED                 |NEW
       everconfirmed|0                           |1


------- Additional Comments From marcus 2006-03-03 07:45 -------
Hello,

Thank you for your bug report, your bug has been confirmed.

Regards




>I've got a stack I've been working on for years, but it started 
>crashing recently.  What are some common causes of crashing I can 
>look for in my troubleshooting?

-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -


From bridgeyman at gmail.com  Fri Mar  3 20:46:26 2006
From: bridgeyman at gmail.com (Bridger Maxwell)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 18:46:26 -0700
Subject: It Variable
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860603031721s1313b2e1qc7ef2c6a9cc4a438@mail.gmail.com>
References: <86ae76bb0603031638v5b3c12bbpc04714c0a5a33dc0@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860603031721s1313b2e1qc7ef2c6a9cc4a438@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86ae76bb0603031746k7998124exe0d0a60a56fdfd8e@mail.gmail.com>

Hey,
  Thanks for your responses, but they don't quite work for my particular
case.  Putting get the result below the line where I call for the netrequest
will work, but it would be extremely difficult to do because it is located
in odd places all over in more than 40 stacks.  Right now I am thinking of
making a stack that will do it for me, but I was hoping there was an easier
way.

On 3/3/06, Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 3/4/06, Bridger Maxwell <bridgeyman at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I just made a giant switch from Hypercard to Revolution.  In Hypercard
> > networking we used "request thedata from program theComputer" to request
> > data from across an appletalk network.  In Revolution this didn't work
> > anymore so we made a new command, "Netrequest" that serves the same
> > function.  "netrequest thedata,theComputer"  The problem is that in
> > Hypercard put the data into the it variable when it is done.  Without
> > changing the script in the card where it initiates the netrequest
> command
> > (such as in the card or a button), can I add something the to stack
> script
> > where the command is contained so it puts the result into the it
> variable?
>
>
> netrequest thedata,theComputer
> get the result
> -- "it" will now contain whatever was returned from the netrequest
> handler.
>
> HTH,
> Sarah
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Mar  3 21:16:36 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 20:16:36 -0600
Subject: Cursor not showing up in standalone
In-Reply-To: <cf.38f830bd.313a2349@aol.com>
References: <cf.38f830bd.313a2349@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4408F884.8060505@hyperactivesw.com>

Stgoldberg at aol.com wrote:
> I hope this is a simple matter and I'm just overlooking the obvious: I'd like 
> the cursor to change to a magnifying glass when the mouse is down, so I've 
> written:
> 
> on mouseDown
> set cursor to 378
> set lockcursor true
> end mouseDown
> 
> This works fine before the standalone.   But after the standalone, the cursor 
> does not show up either on the Mac or Windows version (I'm developing on a 
> Mac OS X).   I've also checked off "Select inclusions for the standalone 
> application" and "Cursors"   in the General Standalone Application Settings.   Am I 
> missing something?   Thanks very much.

This sounds like the same bug in the standalone builder that prevented 
copying externals to a standalone. It's been fixed for the next update.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Fri Mar  3 21:46:28 2006
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 18:46:28 -0800
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
Message-ID: <p06200700c02ea99cbdf4@[10.0.1.201]>


At 3:08 PM +0000 3/3/06, Runtime Revolution Ltd wrote:

>We wrote to you previously to let you know that with the release of
>2.7, Runtime Revolution is no longer selling Dreamcard to new
>customers.

Derrr... Sorry, I just don't get it. Three possibilities occur to me.

--the Product Previously Known as Dreamcard is getting a new name and 
a makeover.

--There is going to be some change in the upgrade path, so that 
Dreamcard users are going to have to purchase new licenses at some 
point.

--Runtime Revolution has decided not to sell the stripped down 
version of their flagship product anymore, so Dreamcard is being 
discontinued. Users who want to continue playing will have to upgrade 
to Revolution Studio.

The website seems to suggest the latter interpretation. But then 
again, it seems possible that Dreamcard has been renamed "Revolution 
Media."

I'm wondering if RR has decided to abandon the nonprofessional 
self-taught end users like me -- the kind of people who taught 
themselves hyperCard 20 years ago. Maybe there are too few of us to 
make the product commercially viable.

Anyway, somebody please clue me.

Tim


From jswitte at bloomington.in.us  Fri Mar  3 21:47:05 2006
From: jswitte at bloomington.in.us (Jim Witte)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 21:47:05 -0500
Subject: It Variable
In-Reply-To: <86ae76bb0603031746k7998124exe0d0a60a56fdfd8e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <86ae76bb0603031638v5b3c12bbpc04714c0a5a33dc0@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860603031721s1313b2e1qc7ef2c6a9cc4a438@mail.gmail.com>
	<86ae76bb0603031746k7998124exe0d0a60a56fdfd8e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CC6220B5-BC1E-4D8B-B8FC-630316F1E85E@bloomington.in.us>

   Putting 'get the result' at the end of the netrequest handler  
should do, unless something else disrupts the 'it' variable after the  
call to netrequest.  I just hacked up this set of card/button scripts  
which work:

-- card script
on netrequest tData, tComp
   return "this" && tData && tComp
   get the result -- place the result in it
end netrequest

-- btn script
on mouseup
   netrequest "some data", "some computer"
   --get the result -- placed in the script in card script instead
   answer it
end mouseup

Jim

> case.  Putting get the result below the line where I call for the  
> netrequest
> will work, but it would be extremely difficult to do because it is  
> located
> in odd places all over in more than 40 stacks.  Right now I am  
> thinking of
> making a stack that will do it for me, but I was hoping there was  
> an easier
> way.
>
> On 3/3/06, Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 3/4/06, Bridger Maxwell <bridgeyman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I just made a giant switch from Hypercard to Revolution.  In  
>>> Hypercard
>>> networking we used "request thedata from program theComputer" to  
>>> request
>>> data from across an appletalk network.  In Revolution this didn't  
>>> work
>>> anymore so we made a new command, "Netrequest" that serves the same
>>> function.  "netrequest thedata,theComputer"  The problem is that in
>>> Hypercard put the data into the it variable when it is done.   
>>> Without
>>> changing the script in the card where it initiates the netrequest
>> command
>>> (such as in the card or a button), can I add something the to stack
>> script
>>> where the command is contained so it puts the result into the it
>> variable?
>>
>>
>> netrequest thedata,theComputer
>> get the result
>> -- "it" will now contain whatever was returned from the netrequest
>> handler.
>>
>> HTH,
>> Sarah
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From katir at hindu.org  Fri Mar  3 21:48:19 2006
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 16:48:19 -1000
Subject: Read from StnIn from POST is still broken?
Message-ID: <4C75D513-0510-4D8B-B0F5-158C1D6E1884@hindu.org>

This is a really old problem: Rev CGI scripts are truncating data  
piped from Apache from a POST....

Does anyone know for "positively absolutely" sure that new version of  
rev has over come this issue?

context:

Linux web server, Apache, call Rev CGI to receive incoming Post  
Data.  Beginning lines of script to read the incoming data -- see  
below (suggested as a possible fix years ago by Scott Raney)

(musings... it is possible that this is a client side problem?
--machine A with browser B cannot in fact encode large chunks of data  
and the name=value pair actually arrive to the server already  
truncated.. meanwhile
-- box C with browser D submits a large text chunk from the same form  
and it arrive just fine: result Rev get blamed for being intermittent  
failures... but he's really not the bad guy.

on startup
if $REQUEST_METHOD is "POST" then
	put "" into PostIn
	repeat until length(PostIn) >= $CONTENT_LENGTH
		read from stdin until ""
     		put it after PostIn
   	end repeat  	
	put  urlDecode (PostIn)  into tDataIn
	 	
	split tDataIn by "&" and "="
	put keys(tDataIn) into tFields

.....etc.

if one of the incoming name pairs contains too much data, it is  
truncated.

You can stress test this yourself:  go to:

http://www.himalayanacademy.com/teaching/stories/

and scroll down to the end of the list...the last "story is a  
submission with a large text chunk pasted into the main field.

The full cgi is here:

http://www.himalayanacademy.com/teaching/stories/incoming_stories.txt

Sivakatirswami











From jswitte at bloomington.in.us  Fri Mar  3 23:05:34 2006
From: jswitte at bloomington.in.us (Jim Witte)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 23:05:34 -0500
Subject: How to identify numbers in a RegEx
Message-ID: <87C2CA78-C1DB-4B48-B15B-7CFFFC1BC39A@bloomington.in.us>

Why doesn't this script return true?

get "0"
get matchText(tLine, "[0-9]")
answer it


Jim


From mikeythek at gmail.com  Fri Mar  3 23:10:03 2006
From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 23:10:03 -0500
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <p06200700c02ea99cbdf4@10.0.1.201>
References: <p06200700c02ea99cbdf4@10.0.1.201>
Message-ID: <9b408d8e0603032010m2b1ef700v1cb3a03a3b1e3097@mail.gmail.com>

> I'm wondering if RR has decided to abandon the nonprofessional
> self-taught end users like me -- the kind of people who taught
> themselves hyperCard 20 years ago. Maybe there are too few of us to
> make the product commercially viable.

hey, Hey, HEY!  It wasn't 20 years ago.  Stop making me older than
what I am.  First of all it was...oh crap.  It was...18 years ago?! 
Oh boy.  Second of all, I still have a production system running in
HC, so don't be hating on HC.

Also, I've exchanged emails with the RR folks, and my impression from
those is that Media is going to be a DC analog...unless I don't
understand Queen's English...

--
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Fri Mar  3 23:26:03 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 20:26:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <p06200700c02ea99cbdf4@[10.0.1.201]>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603032024210.19569-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Timothy,

I really don't think so.  While I've not seen it yet, I suspect that Media
will hopefully meet the needs of the Dreamcard audience.

Perhaps others can chime in with more specifics?   My understanding is
that it will be including some of the very things many of us former
Hypercard using/non-programmer people have been asking for.

Judy

On Fri, 3 Mar 2006, Timothy Miller wrote:

>
> I'm wondering if RR has decided to abandon the nonprofessional
> self-taught end users like me -- the kind of people who taught
> themselves hyperCard 20 years ago. Maybe there are too few of us to
> make the product commercially viable.



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Mar  3 23:58:40 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 20:58:40 -0800
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603032024210.19569-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603032024210.19569-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <44091E80.6000902@fourthworld.com>

Judy Perry wrote:
> I really don't think so.  While I've not seen it yet, I suspect that Media
> will hopefully meet the needs of the Dreamcard audience.
> 
> Perhaps others can chime in with more specifics?   My understanding is
> that it will be including some of the very things many of us former
> Hypercard using/non-programmer people have been asking for.

According to <http://www.runrev.com/section/platform.php> -

Minus: Media has a backdrop that's always present

Plus:  Media includes templates

Plus for Media, Minus for everything else: If you pay $299
        for Studio or $899 for Enterprise you don't get the
        templates included in the $49 Media product. :\

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com



From bridgeyman at gmail.com  Sat Mar  4 00:08:00 2006
From: bridgeyman at gmail.com (Bridger Maxwell)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 22:08:00 -0700
Subject: Locking Messages
Message-ID: <86ae76bb0603032108k2781f65bq9ce75fc5eae55a6e@mail.gmail.com>

Hey,
  It is me again.  I have a stack (Which I will call Stack 1) that
makes another stack (I will call it Stack 2), copies a card from some
other stack running in the background (which I call Stack 3) and sends
the new stack with the copied card all over the network where it is
added to whatever stack sees it.  The problem is that sometimes the
card on Stack 2 has unexpected handler in it that cause random errors
when I am working with it.  I realize I can lock the messages, but
that locks the messages for the Stack 1 also, which I cannot do.  Is
there any way of keeping messages from being passed to Stack 2,
without locking the messages from Stack 1?

  TTFN
    Bridgeyman


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sat Mar  4 01:18:11 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 22:18:11 -0800
Subject: How to identify numbers in a RegEx
In-Reply-To: <87C2CA78-C1DB-4B48-B15B-7CFFFC1BC39A@bloomington.in.us>
References: <87C2CA78-C1DB-4B48-B15B-7CFFFC1BC39A@bloomington.in.us>
Message-ID: <p06230908c02ee141fd02@[192.168.1.101]>

it's going to answer whatever is in it, in this case 0

did you mean

get "0"
get matchText(it, "[0-9]")
answer it

>Why doesn't this script return true?
>
>get "0"
>get matchText(tLine, "[0-9]")
>answer it
>
>Jim

-- 
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s a n  f r a n c i s c o
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From mcdomi at free.fr  Sat Mar  4 04:31:44 2006
From: mcdomi at free.fr (Dom)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 10:31:44 +0100
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603032024210.19569-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <1hbo7nu.120dqo4wu7uhoM%mcdomi@free.fr>

Judy Perry <jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu> wrote:

> My understanding is that it will be including some of the very things many
> of us former Hypercard using/non-programmer people have been asking for.

Eventually, a successor for HyperCard?

Me too, as a DreamCard user (and former HyperCard then MetaCard user) I
was sent areminder from Revolution -- and I wonder was to do...

Also, I don't understand the purpose of "or update your Dreamcard
license for one more year." since there is NO more update!



From mcdomi at free.fr  Sat Mar  4 04:34:48 2006
From: mcdomi at free.fr (Dom)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 10:34:48 +0100
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e0603032010m2b1ef700v1cb3a03a3b1e3097@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1hbo7xr.sami10ds87i8M%mcdomi@free.fr>

Mikey <mikeythek at gmail.com> wrote:

> hey, Hey, HEY!  It wasn't 20 years ago.

1986 > 2006

?



From psahores at easynet.fr  Sat Mar  4 04:39:05 2006
From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 10:39:05 +0100
Subject: Read from StnIn from POST is still broken?
In-Reply-To: <4C75D513-0510-4D8B-B0F5-158C1D6E1884@hindu.org>
References: <4C75D513-0510-4D8B-B0F5-158C1D6E1884@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <7DF7C146-F1CA-4F40-B916-9DD46E810782@easynet.fr>

Hello Katir,

I did'nt have the opportunity to test this for a while but what works  
100% fine (we went spoken about before if i right remember) is to  
stick a PHP sockets listener in front of your Rev CGI script or Rev  
backgrounder stack based app. A very reliable way to do Rev able to  
support very heavy write-mode transactions traffic. After height  
years in using this design, i never had a socket brokken in only one  
of my running production's apps. At this time, i just know that 800  
connections/second is the top-stressed level one of my apps has  
sometime to support and, in this situation, all worked always as  
expected without any "accident" (Athlon XP Pro 800, 1Go RAM, Suse- 
Linux from september 2000 to september 20005 - Mac OS X 10.3.9, 1Go  
Ram, G4 box since september 2005).

See as a reminder of the second way to go, the "paper" and  
downloadable example app at <http://istream.homeunix.com/insead/ 
index_en.html>, my little xDSL test and home mac mini server.

Kind Regards,

Pierre

Le 4 mars 06 ? 03:48, Sivakatirswami a ?crit :

> This is a really old problem: Rev CGI scripts are truncating data  
> piped from Apache from a POST....
>
> Does anyone know for "positively absolutely" sure that new version  
> of rev has over come this issue?
>
> context:
>
> Linux web server, Apache, call Rev CGI to receive incoming Post  
> Data.  Beginning lines of script to read the incoming data -- see  
> below (suggested as a possible fix years ago by Scott Raney)
>
> (musings... it is possible that this is a client side problem?
> --machine A with browser B cannot in fact encode large chunks of  
> data and the name=value pair actually arrive to the server already  
> truncated.. meanwhile
> -- box C with browser D submits a large text chunk from the same  
> form and it arrive just fine: result Rev get blamed for being  
> intermittent failures... but he's really not the bad guy.
>
> on startup
> if $REQUEST_METHOD is "POST" then
> 	put "" into PostIn
> 	repeat until length(PostIn) >= $CONTENT_LENGTH
> 		read from stdin until ""
>     		put it after PostIn
>   	end repeat  	
> 	put  urlDecode (PostIn)  into tDataIn
> 	 	
> 	split tDataIn by "&" and "="
> 	put keys(tDataIn) into tFields
>
> .....etc.
>
> if one of the incoming name pairs contains too much data, it is  
> truncated.
>
> You can stress test this yourself:  go to:
>
> http://www.himalayanacademy.com/teaching/stories/
>
> and scroll down to the end of the list...the last "story is a  
> submission with a large text chunk pasted into the main field.
>
> The full cgi is here:
>
> http://www.himalayanacademy.com/teaching/stories/incoming_stories.txt
>
> Sivakatirswami
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From mikeythek at gmail.com  Sat Mar  4 05:05:27 2006
From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 05:05:27 -0500
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <1hbo7xr.sami10ds87i8M%mcdomi@free.fr>
References: <9b408d8e0603032010m2b1ef700v1cb3a03a3b1e3097@mail.gmail.com>
	<1hbo7xr.sami10ds87i8M%mcdomi@free.fr>
Message-ID: <9b408d8e0603040205q73a32207yfe89a26cba3f5d7a@mail.gmail.com>

> 1986 > 2006

Wait...HC was '86?  I thought it was 88.  Yikes I'm old.


--
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On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


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From: samc-_- at hotmail.com (Samuco Med)
Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 20:11:34 +1000
Subject: STOP EMAILING ME!
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From scott at proherp.com  Sat Mar  4 05:13:36 2006
From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 21:13:36 +1100
Subject: STOP EMAILING ME!
In-Reply-To: <BAY12-F2474EEBC59D7C83743A4028CEB0@phx.gbl>
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From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Sat Mar  4 05:44:57 2006
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9.Bisseret?=)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 11:44:57 +0100
Subject: resizable stack with Mac unresizable with Windows
In-Reply-To: <440859FD.8040704@ehug.info>
Message-ID: <EC52FA0D-AB6B-11DA-8C0B-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>

Thanks a lot Mark, I set the decorations to "default". I will have it  
tried next week by colleagues (infortunately, I havn't a PC myself).

I should catch a glance to BugZilla more often :-))

Best regards
Andr?

Le Friday, 3 Mar 2006, ? 16:00 Europe/Paris, Mark Schonewille a ?crit :

> Hi Andr?,
>
> I didn't test this in 2.7, but in earlier versions there used to be a  
> problem that involved changing the decorations and affected the  
> resizable of the stack on all Windows platforms. This is a Revolution  
> bug that has already been reported to BugZilla:
>
> <http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2178>
>
> Since you're including all default decorations plus metal while there  
> is no metal on Windows available, why don't you set the decorations to  
> "default"? That should "solve" your problem.
>
> Best,
>
> Mark
>
>
> Andr?.Bisseret wrote:
>> Hi !
>> I have a stack whose resizable property is set to true.
>> I used the geometry manager to set position or scale of all the  
>> objects for which it was necessary (thanks to the very clear tutorial  
>> from ?ric Chatonet (So Smart Software), and the demo he recommends   
>> from Chipp Walters, from Altuit.
>> The decorations are : Title, menu, minimize, maximize, close, metal.
>> Live Resizing is set to false
>> All is working very well on my Mac (G4, OS X, 10.2.8).
>> But on Windows (2000 or XP) the stack is not resizable (no button in  
>> the bottom right corner).
>> Well, I suppose I could work around that by covering  the normal  
>> "internal" button (that appears with Mac)   by another one including  
>> the script proposed by ?ric Chatonet in his tutorial and which runs  
>> very well. (I hope it would not disappear on Windows system !!! >> :-))).
>> But, frankly, I would prefer a more regular "internal" solution ;-)
>>  Any help would be very much appreciate
>> Best regards from Grenoble
>> Andr?
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From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Sat Mar  4 08:15:27 2006
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 08:15:27 -0500
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <44091E80.6000902@fourthworld.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603032024210.19569-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<44091E80.6000902@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <B5130CFE-BFEF-48BE-B8B0-66C3F9ACD8D9@conncoll.edu>


On Mar 3, 2006, at 11:58 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Minus: Media has a backdrop that's always present

Right. There's the point. When you buy something like Hypercard, or  
Dreamcard, you're buying a GUI builder and programming lanuage. But a  
GUI builder and programming language in which you can't control the  
screen even to the extent of getting rid of a backdrop sounds to me  
like a parameterized PowerPoint. The feature-comparison page on the  
web site (Media can't connect even to a mySQL database, can't do CGI,  
but has nice "templates" for people who don't want to program  
anything) says pretty plainly that Media is no replacement for  
Dreamcard.

I have asked the same question about updates -- $50, by March 10, for  
a terminal year of updates to a program nobody's going to support  
after that? -- but not gotten an answer yet.

The main answer seems loud and clear: we're supposed to shift to Studio.

Charles



From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Sat Mar  4 08:22:10 2006
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9.Bisseret?=)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 14:22:10 +0100
Subject: on Windows parts of text printed repeatedly instead of once
Message-ID: <E315086C-AB81-11DA-8C0B-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>

Hi !
In the app. I am developping, each card includes several fields 
(author, title,  texte, r?f?rences). In a printing procedure I wrote a 
function (formatfldToPrint) that picks the texts of these fields (with 
their htmlText) and arranges them as a single document in a hidden 
field ? fldToPrint ? (not all with the same font and size).

Thanks to the Dan Schafer? SmartEBook on printing I have improved my 
first draft and the following script is working very well now on Mac :

  on imprimer
   set the cursor to watch
   formatfldToPrint
   set the printmargins to 72,25,25,50
   revShowPrintDialog true,true
   put tab & "Page " & "<%pageNumber%>"  into footer
   revPrintText (the htmlText of fld "fldToPrint"),,footer
   reset cursors
end imprimer

But I got problems when testing on Windows. I hope I will solve several 
of them thanks to insights I collected on the Mail Archive, but I did 
not find anything on the following problem :

For a document that is printed on 2 pages with Mac, I get 7 pages with 
Windows. With Windows, the text is repeated something like 5 times.

Not sure I will be enough clear because it is difficult to explain 
(especially with my english, not really fluent :-((, but well, I am 
doing my best :-))

On the first two pages, the text is printed only up to a certain line 
(near the end of the text) then, reprinted, but starting from a certain 
line in the middle of the text up to the end, then, again, reprinted 
from another line in the middle of the text up to the end, etc (4 
times).

Moreover, on the first page, last line is crunched and on the second 
page the first one is also crunched ; it is the same line (same 
content) that appears as if it has been cut in two slices( in length), 
the upper slice printed at the bottom of page one (juste before the 
footer) the inferior slice printed at the top of page 2.
This slicing does not appear again on the following pages (3 to 7) that 
begin and end normally.

I cant imagine why such repetitions are occuring ??

I would much appreciate if someone could help me understand this 
phenomenon ? (and of course better along with a suggested solution :-).

Best regards from Grenoble
Andr?




From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sat Mar  4 10:08:44 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 07:08:44 -0800
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <1hbo7xr.sami10ds87i8M%mcdomi@free.fr>
References: <1hbo7xr.sami10ds87i8M%mcdomi@free.fr>
Message-ID: <p0623090ac02f5d336675@[192.168.1.101]>

Close. 19 years ago. I remember it came in the box with the new SE20 
for A&M studios. I was attempting to build an app with Z-Basic at the 
time, and not getting anywhere...then discovering this thing...... 
what's this... some kind of add-in hardware card? ha ha

 From Wikipedia:
HyperCard was created by Bill Atkinson and initially released in 
August 1987, with the understanding that Atkinson would give 
HyperCard to Apple only if they promised to release it for free on 
all Macs. Apple timed its release to coincide with the MacWorld 
Conference & Expo in Boston, Massachusetts to guarantee maximum 
publicity. HyperCard was a huge hit almost instantly.

Many people who thought they would never be able to program a 
computer started using HyperCard for all sorts of automation and 
prototyping tasks, a surprise even to its creator.

Apple itself never seemed to understand what HyperCard was. 
Management saw that it was being used by a huge number of people, 
internally and externally, and bug reports and upgrade suggestions 
continued to flow in demonstrating it had a wide variety of users. 
However it was also free, which made it difficult to justify 
dedicating engineering resources to improving it. Unwilling, or 
unable, to see that HyperCard was making the Macintosh platform, as a 
whole, much more interesting to the market, management let it 
languish.


>Mikey <mikeythek at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  hey, Hey, HEY!  It wasn't 20 years ago.
>
>1986 > 2006
>
>?
>

-- 
stephen barncard
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From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Sat Mar  4 10:56:55 2006
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 07:56:55 -0800
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <1hbo7nu.120dqo4wu7uhoM%mcdomi@free.fr>
Message-ID: <20060304155659.1E6017F03B@spatula.dreamhost.com>

> Me too, as a DreamCard user (and former HyperCard then 
> MetaCard user) I was sent areminder from Revolution -- and I 
> wonder was to do...
> 
> Also, I don't understand the purpose of "or update your 
> Dreamcard license for one more year." since there is NO more update!

If you update DreamCard now, you will get engine updates for the length of
that update period. A lot of what makes Revolution what it is, is in the
engine.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Proactive International, LLC

- Because it is about who you know.(tm)
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From rcozens at pon.net  Sat Mar  4 11:10:05 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 08:10:05 -0800
Subject: Locking Messages
In-Reply-To: <86ae76bb0603032108k2781f65bq9ce75fc5eae55a6e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <86ae76bb0603032108k2781f65bq9ce75fc5eae55a6e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57B2D9BC-AB99-11DA-BB8D-0030657E1638@pon.net>


Hi Bridger,

> I have a stack (Which I will call Stack 1) that
> makes another stack (I will call it Stack 2), copies a card from some
> other stack running in the background (which I call Stack 3) and sends
> the new stack with the copied card all over the network where it is
> added to whatever stack sees it.  The problem is that sometimes the
> card on Stack 2 has unexpected handler in it that cause random errors
> when I am working with it.  I realize I can lock the messages, but
> that locks the messages for the Stack 1 also, which I cannot do.  Is
> there any way of keeping messages from being passed to Stack 2,
> without locking the messages from Stack 1?
>

I am not sure exactly what you are describing.

If Stack 2 is created on-the-fly, where does the "unexpected" handler 
come from?  The card copied from Stack 3?

Do you have handlers with identical names in Stack 1 and 2?

If Stacks 1, 2, & 3 are all your creations, you should be able to avoid 
any duplication.

If the error is caused by broadcasting a message (eg: doWhatever), 
perhaps the problem can be avoided by directing the message to the 
correct object (eg: send "doWhatever" to card 1 of stack "Stack 1").

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From mcdomi at free.fr  Sat Mar  4 11:23:22 2006
From: mcdomi at free.fr (Dom)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 17:23:22 +0100
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <20060304155659.1E6017F03B@spatula.dreamhost.com>
Message-ID: <1hboqtu.1t8lk4g10zqps5M%mcdomi@free.fr>

Lynn Fredricks <lfredricks at proactive-intl.com> wrote:

> A lot of what makes Revolution what it is, is in the engine.

Ah, OK, that makes sense!



From jhurley at infostations.com  Sat Mar  4 11:43:26 2006
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 08:43:26 -0800
Subject: Scrollbar to drag through a movie?
In-Reply-To: <20060304052042.2A748825FF2@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060304052042.2A748825FF2@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p06230908c02f735bd428@[10.0.1.2]>

Is is possible to drag smoothly through the video frames of a movie 
using  a scrollbar? I can drag to a current time and then start from 
that point, but I would like to see the frames shuttle by as I drag 
the thumb.

Jim


From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Sat Mar  4 11:48:10 2006
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9.Bisseret?=)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 17:48:10 +0100
Subject: Is style a kind of font ?
Message-ID: <A9EA365E-AB9E-11DA-8C0B-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>

Hi !
With a field "thisFld" of which textFont is set to, say, "courier"

If I write in msg :
  put the textFont of line 1 of fld "thisFld"
If every word of this line are in "plain" style
then I get "courier"

But
if the style of at least one word in the line 1 is "italic"
then textFont is  said "mixed"
:-((((

well, my feelings are mixed too :-))

How can we get the textFont without this interference ?

Thanks in advance for any explanation

Bests regards from Grenoble
Andr?



From klaus at major-k.de  Sat Mar  4 11:52:24 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 17:52:24 +0100
Subject: Scrollbar to drag through a movie?
In-Reply-To: <p06230908c02f735bd428@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <20060304052042.2A748825FF2@mail.runrev.com>
	<p06230908c02f735bd428@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <86AFD6BC-63DC-4A11-9B0A-DD3DDC2AF4F8@major-k.de>

Hi Jim,

> Is is possible to drag smoothly through the video frames of a movie  
> using  a scrollbar?

with version 2.6.1 this is only possible when the QT controller is  
visible
OR
(if the controller is not visible) when the movie is already  
playing...?!

This was possible with earlier versions of Rev :-/

But with Rev 2.7 this is possible again :-)

Just set the startvalue of your slider to 0 and the endvalue to the  
duration of the player...

on scrollbardrag tValue
   set the currenttime of player xyz to tValue
end scrollbardrag

C'est ca :-)

> I can drag to a current time and then start from that point, but I  
> would like to see the frames shuttle by as I drag the thumb.

Hope that helps...

> Jim

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From klaus at major-k.de  Sat Mar  4 12:02:48 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 18:02:48 +0100
Subject: Is style a kind of font ?
In-Reply-To: <A9EA365E-AB9E-11DA-8C0B-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>
References: <A9EA365E-AB9E-11DA-8C0B-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <B80668C8-8028-482F-9F24-4950630DFFBD@major-k.de>

Bonjour Andr?,

> Hi !
> With a field "thisFld" of which textFont is set to, say, "courier"
>
> If I write in msg :
>  put the textFont of line 1 of fld "thisFld"
> If every word of this line are in "plain" style
> then I get "courier"
>
> But
> if the style of at least one word in the line 1 is "italic"
> then textFont is  said "mixed"
> :-((((
>
> well, my feelings are mixed too :-))
>
> How can we get the textFont without this interference ?
>
> Thanks in advance for any explanation

sorry, but I do not have an answer, but I, personally, consider this  
a bug!

 From the docs about "textfont":
If the chunk contains more than one font, the chunk's textFont  
property reports "mixed".

But even if the textfont is identical and only the styles are "mixed"  
I get
put the textfont of line 1 of fld 1 -> "mixed

Or am I missing something obvious?

> Bests regards from Grenoble
> Andr?

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From bridgeyman at gmail.com  Sat Mar  4 12:57:53 2006
From: bridgeyman at gmail.com (Bridger Maxwell)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 10:57:53 -0700
Subject: Locking Messages
In-Reply-To: <57B2D9BC-AB99-11DA-BB8D-0030657E1638@pon.net>
References: <86ae76bb0603032108k2781f65bq9ce75fc5eae55a6e@mail.gmail.com>
	<57B2D9BC-AB99-11DA-BB8D-0030657E1638@pon.net>
Message-ID: <86ae76bb0603040957k2fcb93e0sff9c2c1bd50bc2c2@mail.gmail.com>

Hey,
  Sorry I wasn't very clear on my question.  I have made a stack (Stack 1)
that copies a card from any stack running in the background (Stack 3),
pastes it on another stack that was just made (Stack 2), and sends stack 2
over the network where the card that was added to any stack that intercepts
it.  It is made to be able to add any card to any stack.  The thing is a
card may have a handler in it that is triggered, that refers to an object on
another card.  Because it has been seperated from the rest of the stack, it
can't find that object and it causes errors.  Once it is inserted into the
new stack it should stop causing errors, but until then I need to lock the
messages to the stack holding the card so it doesn't trigger anything.  I
can't really predict what handlers will be triggered, or what the errors are
going to be so I can't just intercept them beforehand.  Any ideas?

On 3/4/06, Rob Cozens <rcozens at pon.net> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Bridger,
>
> > I have a stack (Which I will call Stack 1) that
> > makes another stack (I will call it Stack 2), copies a card from some
> > other stack running in the background (which I call Stack 3) and sends
> > the new stack with the copied card all over the network where it is
> > added to whatever stack sees it.  The problem is that sometimes the
> > card on Stack 2 has unexpected handler in it that cause random errors
> > when I am working with it.  I realize I can lock the messages, but
> > that locks the messages for the Stack 1 also, which I cannot do.  Is
> > there any way of keeping messages from being passed to Stack 2,
> > without locking the messages from Stack 1?
> >
>
> I am not sure exactly what you are describing.
>
> If Stack 2 is created on-the-fly, where does the "unexpected" handler
> come from?  The card copied from Stack 3?
>
> Do you have handlers with identical names in Stack 1 and 2?
>
> If Stacks 1, 2, & 3 are all your creations, you should be able to avoid
> any duplication.
>
> If the error is caused by broadcasting a message (eg: doWhatever),
> perhaps the problem can be avoided by directing the message to the
> correct object (eg: send "doWhatever" to card 1 of stack "Stack 1").
>
> Rob Cozens
> CCW, Serendipity Software Company
>
> "And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
> Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."
>
> from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)
>
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From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Sat Mar  4 12:58:35 2006
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 18:58:35 +0100
Subject: No Openstack ..... !
Message-ID: <03aa59b40cfb802eab7e6b8483d49121@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Paris,

I have just run into my first Platform problem, but in fact,
my problem started on my Mac, and hasn't gone away !.
I finished developing a stack on my Mac. During development,
I couldn't get it to run the OpenStack script (why I don't know).
I found that when using Stack Runner, OpenStack WAS executed,
so while I was testing on the Mac, each time I loaded, I executed
the openStack command from the message box, and execution
was fine (dirty but fine !). I imagined that DreamCard Player on
the PC would work the same way as Stack Runner on the Mac.

Unfortunately, when I execute the stack on my PC using the
DreamCard player, OpenStack is NOT executed, and so my
stack serves no purpose, because I initialize global variables
which are essential for execution.

So, back to the Mac to create a button to execute openStack,
then back to the PC. When I click on the button on the PC,
nothing happens, so I am back to square one. What is going
wrong, or more specifically, what am I doing wrong ?

-Francis




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Mar  4 13:11:46 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 12:11:46 -0600
Subject: No Openstack ..... !
In-Reply-To: <03aa59b40cfb802eab7e6b8483d49121@wanadoo.fr>
References: <03aa59b40cfb802eab7e6b8483d49121@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <4409D862.80909@hyperactivesw.com>

Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:

> So, back to the Mac to create a button to execute openStack,
> then back to the PC. When I click on the button on the PC,
> nothing happens, so I am back to square one. What is going
> wrong, or more specifically, what am I doing wrong ?

It sounds like a platform-related script error that is causing the 
handler to abort. Can you post your openstack handler here?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From rjb at robelko.com  Sat Mar  4 13:35:12 2006
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:35:12 +0100
Subject: XP Problems Persist...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603031426210.13057-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603031426210.13057-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <a06110403c02f8ca571cc@[192.168.1.101]>

>Jeff,
>
>Actually, we saw this happen when doing an osx <> XP transfer.
>
>The one was the 'regular' file that we couldn't open, the other was
>identical except that the file name had I think it was a leading _ or_.
>attached.
>
>Neither was functional :-(
>
>Thanks, though!
>

Actually ._



From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Sat Mar  4 14:32:59 2006
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 14:32:59 -0500
Subject: No Openstack ..... !
In-Reply-To: <03aa59b40cfb802eab7e6b8483d49121@wanadoo.fr>
References: <03aa59b40cfb802eab7e6b8483d49121@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <6DC47A17-FFB2-4877-BDDD-BE00ED9073E4@conncoll.edu>

So use StackRunner (which beats the pants off the Dreamcard player  
anyway) on the PC too. You can bundle it with your stack for others  
to use.

Charles


On Mar 4, 2006, at 12:58 PM, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:

> Hi from Paris,
>
> I have just run into my first Platform problem, but in fact,
> my problem started on my Mac, and hasn't gone away !.
> I finished developing a stack on my Mac. During development,
> I couldn't get it to run the OpenStack script (why I don't know).
> I found that when using Stack Runner, OpenStack WAS executed,
> so while I was testing on the Mac, each time I loaded, I executed
> the openStack command from the message box, and execution
> was fine (dirty but fine !). I imagined that DreamCard Player on
> the PC would work the same way as Stack Runner on the Mac.
>
> Unfortunately, when I execute the stack on my PC using the
> DreamCard player, OpenStack is NOT executed, and so my
> stack serves no purpose, because I initialize global variables
> which are essential for execution.
>
> So, back to the Mac to create a button to execute openStack,
> then back to the PC. When I click on the button on the PC,
> nothing happens, so I am back to square one. What is going
> wrong, or more specifically, what am I doing wrong ?
>
> -Francis
>
>
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From jeff at siphonophore.com  Sat Mar  4 15:06:17 2006
From: jeff at siphonophore.com (jeffrey reynolds)
Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 15:06:17 -0500
Subject: The End of Dreamcard? -- but life after death?
In-Reply-To: <20060304180004.61437825BC8@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060304180004.61437825BC8@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3F15F503-FD60-41C4-B6EF-452F42623AF8@siphonophore.com>

Man i am feeling old... I created Apples first educational CD-ROM  
(Earth Explorer - a multimedia environmental encyclopedia for jr high  
kids) when they decided to get into the CD-ROM business in the early  
90s using hypercard. they were amazed that a sophisticated multimedia  
product could be developed with hypercard. i had a meeting with  
higher ups at Apple to assure them that it was possible... their  
testing dept. finally confirmed that it worked and was relatively bug  
free! It struck me funny i had to sell the idea to Apple. in contrast  
the PC version (done in VB) took about 4x the person-hours to  
complete the software and that was with the content being squeaky  
clean (the mac version was 6 months ahead and did all the content  
testing) and content being exported to them exactly how they wanted  
it (i got it in all sorts of various forms that i used HC to convert  
to the final formats i needed--one of HC, strongest points). They had  
about 8 fat bug binders, i had about 2 and that included all the  
content bugs! The other guys were pro programmers with degrees and  
much better programmers than me (i was a molecular biologist and self  
taught programmer).

when i was designing the product i had mocked it up in hc and the  
company developing it was planning on programming it in C, but then  
when the mock up was doing 90% of what needed to be done I proposed  
me just doing it in HC. Boy did that get a laugh from the programming  
dept at first. but then they shut up when they realized that yes the  
prototype did just about everything that it needed to be done just  
fine (what was left was minor stuff that we took care of with a  
couple of custom externals) and the budget and timeline was a  
fraction of doing it all in C.

oh and it will still run today, even under classic. funny thing is  
cdroms are now getting very popular back in schools (they are finding  
the internet is not the solution to all educational content delivery  
-- realities of working in a school) and the product may be dusted  
off, content updated and new software done with revolution!

Just shows you what was possible with that quirky little piece of  
software. I dont think Apple fully realized how much HC was a part of  
the success of Apple in general. Apple survived on the fringes by the  
undying passion of users that things like HC kept going. Without them  
they would have never gotten a big enough market share to hold on or  
enough reasons why their hardware was at a premium price w/o the  
evangelists selling it so hard and passionately.

I think the lesson here is that there are options to make great stuff  
out of older things like stuff created in dreamcard. yes the simple,  
cheap gui building system like HC wont be there, but the work done in  
it can be moved forward and useful. No system lasts for ever, but  
moving stuff forward is possible and can really pull some rabbits out  
of the hat...

cheers,

jeff reynolds


On Mar 4, 2006, at 1:00 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

> Close. 19 years ago. I remember it came in the box with the new SE20
> for A&M studios. I was attempting to build an app with Z-Basic at the
> time, and not getting anywhere...then discovering this thing......
> what's this... some kind of add-in hardware card? ha ha



From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Sat Mar  4 15:23:00 2006
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 21:23:00 +0100
Subject: No OpenStack ..... ! continued
Message-ID: <1f3c12667ba1490a55b356b076727717@wanadoo.fr>

Hi Jacqueline,

You wanted my "openStack" script, so here it is.
But I can't see anything in there that can cause
a problem. I hope it is easy to read with the folding.
It works perfectly well when I type "OpenStack" in the
message box (on my Mac).

Thanks for looking.

-Francis

------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
--------------------

on openStack
   --
   --     This is a standard "OpenStack" for all my stacks. It makes  
available certain global
   --     variables which may be used if required within the stack. As  
many of my stacks use
   --     data files, photo files and print files, global variables are  
available for certain
   --     folder paths and files, and are stored in standard fields on  
card 1 of the stack, IF
   --     those fields are present. As the stack can be run on a Mac or  
a PC, a platform identity
   --     is stored in a standard field on card 1 of the main stack, IF  
this field is present.
   --
   global  
GVThisPlatform,GVStackName,GVStackLanguage,GVStackPath,GVSuffixPath
   global GVImpExpFileName,GVDataPath,GVPhotoPath,GVPrintFileName
   --
   --     V1 - 2006/02/03 - 13:50 - Creation for DreamCard - extended  
from HyperCard.
   --     V2 - 2006/02/09 - 22:30 - Added new Folder Paths.
   --     V3 - 2006/02/17 - 12:53 - Changed English/French value to 1/2  
(and not 0/1)
   --                               This will allow me to access English  
or French error messages,
   --                               and to set English or French labels,  
if required.
   --     V4 - 2006/02/17 - 16:00 - Simplified Global Folder Path  
definitions.
   --     V5 - 2006/03/03 - 18:00 - Removed from trial "MyHomeStack" and  
placed in all stacks.
   --                               (MyHomeStack didn't satisfy me, so I  
dropped the idea !).
   --     V6 - 2006/03/04 - 15:15 - Created global variables for Data,  
Photo and Print folders and files.
   --
   --     This script initializes all of my Global Variables.
   --
   --     1 - Set current platform Global Variable
   --
   put the platform into LVHoldPlatform
   if LVHoldPlatform = "MacOS" then put "Mac - OS X"   into  
GVThisPlatform
   if LVHoldPlatform = "Win32" then put "PC - Windows" into  
GVThisPlatform.
   --
   --     2 - Get the Stack Name.
   --
   put the short name of this stack into GVStackName
   --
   --     3 - Set Language - Assume English when loading stack
   --
   put 1 into GVStackLanguage
   --
   --     4 - Fill field "MyPlatform" in card 1 of mainstack, if it  
exists.
   --
   if exists(field MyPlatform) then put GVThisPlatform into field  
MyPlatform of card 1 of stack GVStackName
   --
   --     4 - Set my Revolution Paths. These are similar to my Hypercard  
paths but point to my Revolution
   --         folders, which are identical in levels and names, on both  
the Mac and the PC.
   --         Note that (for some reason) the Disk element (Tradition/  
or C:\) does not form part of the path.
   --
   if LVHoldPlatform = "MacOS" then
     put "/Revolution/" into GVStackPath
     put ".hc" into  GVSuffixPath                                -- Set  
up my Mac suffix for text files.
     --                                                          -- The  
.hc suffix on MY Mac system opens Microsoft Word.
   end if
   if LVHoldPlatform = "Win32" then
     put "\Revolution\" into GVStackPath
     put ".txt" into  GVSuffixPath                               -- Set  
up my PC suffix for text files.
   end if
   put GVStackPath & GVStackName & "/Print/ImpExp.hc" into  
GVImpExpFileName
   put GVStackPath & GVStackName & "/Data/" into GVDataPath
   put GVStackPath & GVStackName & "/Photos/" into GVPhotoPath
   put GVStackPath & GVStackName & "/Print/" & GVStackName &  
GVSuffixPath into GVPrintFileName
   --
   --     Now store these variables into card 1 fields, if they exist.
   --
   if exists(field MyImpExpFileName) then put GVImpExpFileName         
into field MyImpExpFileName
   if exists(field MyDataFolderName) then put GVDataPath               
into field MyDataFolderName
   if exists(field MyPhotosFolderName) then put GVPhotoPath            
into field MyPhotosFolderName
   if exists(field MyPrintFileName) then put GVPrintFileName           
into field MyPrintFileName
end openStack





From jerry at hytext.com  Sat Mar  4 15:25:45 2006
From: jerry at hytext.com (Jerry Muelver)
Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 14:25:45 -0600
Subject: Is style a kind of font ?
In-Reply-To: <B80668C8-8028-482F-9F24-4950630DFFBD@major-k.de>
References: <A9EA365E-AB9E-11DA-8C0B-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>
	<B80668C8-8028-482F-9F24-4950630DFFBD@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <4409F7C9.8040903@hytext.com>


Klaus Major wrote:
> I, personally, consider this a bug!
>
> From the docs about "textfont":
> If the chunk contains more than one font, the chunk's textFont 
> property reports "mixed".
>
> But even if the textfont is identical and only the styles are "mixed" 
> I get
> put the textfont of line 1 of fld 1 -> "mixed
>
> Or am I missing something obvious?
Technically, every size, style, and weight of a typeface is different 
"font". Arial Bold is a different font from just plain Arial. In CSS, 
note that the font selection is for font-family (like, all the the 
Arials), font-size, font-stretch, font-style, font-variant, and 
font-weight. So, if you have the same family (Arial), but several styles 
(bold for a few characters, bold-italic for the rest), you will have a 
"mixed" property report.

---- Jerry Muelver


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Mar  4 15:31:28 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 12:31:28 -0800
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <p0623090ac02f5d336675@[192.168.1.101]>
References: <1hbo7xr.sami10ds87i8M%mcdomi@free.fr>
	<p0623090ac02f5d336675@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <4409F920.4040200@fourthworld.com>

Stephen Barncard wrote:
>  From Wikipedia:
> HyperCard was created by Bill Atkinson and initially released in August 
> 1987

Trivia question:

Many HC fans know that HyperCard was originally designed without a
scripting language, which was added later in the development process.

Which multimedia authoring tool had a scripting language and premiered
at the Boston expo the year before HC was released?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From soapdog at mac.com  Sat Mar  4 15:40:55 2006
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 17:40:55 -0300
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <4409F920.4040200@fourthworld.com>
References: <1hbo7xr.sami10ds87i8M%mcdomi@free.fr>
	<p0623090ac02f5d336675@[192.168.1.101]>
	<4409F920.4040200@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <2F4220BE-BB00-4460-A115-F78A183F4409@mac.com>


On Mar 4, 2006, at 5:31 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Which multimedia authoring tool had a scripting language and premiered
> at the Boston expo the year before HC was released?

Was it Director known as VideoWorks first??? did I won? Gee, I was  
only seven years old! :-D

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Mar  4 15:45:24 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 12:45:24 -0800
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <2F4220BE-BB00-4460-A115-F78A183F4409@mac.com>
References: <1hbo7xr.sami10ds87i8M%mcdomi@free.fr>	<p0623090ac02f5d336675@[192.168.1.101]>	<4409F920.4040200@fourthworld.com>
	<2F4220BE-BB00-4460-A115-F78A183F4409@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4409FC64.4080907@fourthworld.com>

Andre Garzia wrote:
> 
> On Mar 4, 2006, at 5:31 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
>> Which multimedia authoring tool had a scripting language and premiered
>> at the Boston expo the year before HC was released?
> 
> Was it Director known as VideoWorks first??? did I won? Gee, I was only 
> seven years old! :-D

Good guess, but Director/Videoworks didn't add a scripting language 
until after HC was released.

Hint: the developer's first name was Bill, and his last name started 
with an "A", but it wasn't "Atkinson".

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From psahores at easynet.fr  Sat Mar  4 15:51:11 2006
From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 21:51:11 +0100
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <4409FC64.4080907@fourthworld.com>
References: <1hbo7xr.sami10ds87i8M%mcdomi@free.fr>	<p0623090ac02f5d336675@[192.168.1.101]>	<4409F920.4040200@fourthworld.com>
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Was this Bill A. working at the Xerox Palo Alto Research Center,  
Richard ?

Best,

Le 4 mars 06 ? 21:45, Richard Gaskin a ?crit :

> Andre Garzia wrote:
>> On Mar 4, 2006, at 5:31 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>> Which multimedia authoring tool had a scripting language and  
>>> premiered
>>> at the Boston expo the year before HC was released?
>> Was it Director known as VideoWorks first??? did I won? Gee, I was  
>> only seven years old! :-D
>
> Good guess, but Director/Videoworks didn't add a scripting language  
> until after HC was released.
>
> Hint: the developer's first name was Bill, and his last name  
> started with an "A", but it wasn't "Atkinson".
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal
>  _______________________________________________________
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Mar  4 15:56:54 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 12:56:54 -0800
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <148E0FA8-B539-4755-9BF1-B8B8D4F951E9@easynet.fr>
References: <1hbo7xr.sami10ds87i8M%mcdomi@free.fr>	<p0623090ac02f5d336675@[192.168.1.101]>	<4409F920.4040200@fourthworld.com>	<2F4220BE-BB00-4460-A115-F78A183F4409@mac.com>	<4409FC64.4080907@fourthworld.com>
	<148E0FA8-B539-4755-9BF1-B8B8D4F951E9@easynet.fr>
Message-ID: <4409FF16.4060003@fourthworld.com>

Pierre Sahores wrote:
> Le 4 mars 06 ? 21:45, Richard Gaskin a ?crit :
> 
>> Andre Garzia wrote:
>>> On Mar 4, 2006, at 5:31 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>>> Which multimedia authoring tool had a scripting language and premiered
>>>> at the Boston expo the year before HC was released?
>>> Was it Director known as VideoWorks first??? did I won? Gee, I was 
>>> only seven years old! :-D
>>
>> Good guess, but Director/Videoworks didn't add a scripting language 
>> until after HC was released.
>>
>> Hint: the developer's first name was Bill, and his last name started 
>> with an "A", but it wasn't "Atkinson".
 >
 > Was this Bill A. working at the Xerox Palo Alto Research Center,
 > Richard ?

No, and if there was a Bill A. from PARC who premiered a product at 
Boston MacWorld in '86 I may need to revise my hints. :)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From klaus at major-k.de  Sat Mar  4 15:58:41 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 21:58:41 +0100
Subject: Is style a kind of font ?
In-Reply-To: <4409F7C9.8040903@hytext.com>
References: <A9EA365E-AB9E-11DA-8C0B-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>
	<B80668C8-8028-482F-9F24-4950630DFFBD@major-k.de>
	<4409F7C9.8040903@hytext.com>
Message-ID: <88711F2F-C4B8-4FE6-A17D-9BC7CBC1DB1D@major-k.de>

Hi Jerry,

> Klaus Major wrote:
>> I, personally, consider this a bug!
>>
>> From the docs about "textfont":
>> If the chunk contains more than one font, the chunk's textFont  
>> property reports "mixed".
>>
>> But even if the textfont is identical and only the styles are  
>> "mixed" I get
>> put the textfont of line 1 of fld 1 -> "mixed
>>
>> Or am I missing something obvious?
> Technically, every size, style, and weight of a typeface is  
> different "font". Arial Bold is a different font from just plain  
> Arial. In CSS, note that the font selection is for font-family  
> (like, all the the Arials), font-size, font-stretch, font-style,  
> font-variant, and font-weight. So, if you have the same family  
> (Arial), but several styles (bold for a few characters, bold-italic  
> for the rest), you will have a "mixed" property report.

aha, thank you for the clarification :-)

> ---- Jerry Muelver

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Sat Mar  4 15:58:42 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 12:58:42 -0800
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <2F4220BE-BB00-4460-A115-F78A183F4409@mac.com>
References: <1hbo7xr.sami10ds87i8M%mcdomi@free.fr>
	<p0623090ac02f5d336675@192.168.1.101>
	<4409F920.4040200@fourthworld.com>
	<2F4220BE-BB00-4460-A115-F78A183F4409@mac.com>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603041258h185a2676vbaccc896398b22d3@mail.gmail.com>

I have no inside info on this, so I'm more or less guessing but here's my
take.

Dreamcard was a "crippled Rev." It straddled the lines of an inventive user
and a professional developer but the lines were blurred and the audiences
and messages so different that it created as much confusion as it did
anything else.

So RR decided to replace DC with two paths. If you want the power of Rev,
buy Rev. (My guess -- and I reiterate my caveat -- is that they'll make this
upgrade very attractive from a price standpoint because they have nothing to
gain by driving away DC users who are basically happy). The alternate path
is you want to use a Rev product that's more like the old HC and somewhat
like multimedia authoring tools, so you buy Media at a much lower price
point but you limit yourself to certain types of apps.

I think the company has created a bit of a difficult-to-decode message on
the main rev media page because of this statement: "*Revolution
Media's*simplicity makes it ideal for creating software utilities
quickly and
easily. You can conceptualize a project or solution, but what is the
fastest, most productive way to turn your ideas into software? Its *Revolution
Media*." That makes it sound like Media will include the full Transcript
language, which then begs the question of the real differences between the
products. Then on the detail  page there's this somewhat confusing tidbit:

"Use Revolution, the English like, built-in language, to add the *step by
step logic *of your concept to your creation." I suspect -- but again my
caveat -- that this is just a mistake, that the language is called
Transcript, not Revolution (which would be devilishly confusing, no?).

In the end, the important thing I think is that DC users now have to decide
whether they are fish or fowl and head down the path that suits them best.
Probably not a bad move for the company; Media sounds like a truly
consumer-appealing product.

On 3/4/06, Andre Garzia <soapdog at mac.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 4, 2006, at 5:31 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
> > Which multimedia authoring tool had a scripting language and premiered
> > at the Boston expo the year before HC was released?
>
> Was it Director known as VideoWorks first??? did I won? Gee, I was
> only seven years old! :-D
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From rjb at robelko.com  Sat Mar  4 16:11:11 2006
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 22:11:11 +0100
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <4409FC64.4080907@fourthworld.com>
References: <1hbo7xr.sami10ds87i8M%mcdomi@free.fr>
	<p0623090ac02f5d336675@[192.168.1.101]>
	<4409F920.4040200@fourthworld.com>
	<2F4220BE-BB00-4460-A115-F78A183F4409@mac.com>
	<4409FC64.4080907@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <a06110406c02fb2c8700e@[192.168.1.101]>

>Andre Garzia wrote:
>>
>>On Mar 4, 2006, at 5:31 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>
>>>Which multimedia authoring tool had a scripting language and premiered
>>>at the Boston expo the year before HC was released?
>>
>>Was it Director known as VideoWorks first??? did I won? Gee, I was 
>>only seven years old! :-D
>
>Good guess, but Director/Videoworks didn't add a scripting language 
>until after HC was released.
>
>Hint: the developer's first name was Bill, and his last name started 
>with an "A", but it wasn't "Atkinson".
>
>--
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal


Would you mean World Builder by Bill Appleton (Silicon Beach Software)?

Robert


From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Sat Mar  4 16:40:01 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:40:01 -0800
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <a06110406c02fb2c8700e@192.168.1.101>
References: <1hbo7xr.sami10ds87i8M%mcdomi@free.fr>
	<p0623090ac02f5d336675@192.168.1.101>
	<4409F920.4040200@fourthworld.com>
	<2F4220BE-BB00-4460-A115-F78A183F4409@mac.com>
	<4409FC64.4080907@fourthworld.com>
	<a06110406c02fb2c8700e@192.168.1.101>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603041340u21e33ab3x82eb749501680642@mail.gmail.com>

I think you're right, Robert. I seem to recall writing a piece on
interactive fiction in that time frame and interviewing Appleton for it. My
memory is a bit fuzzy but I think he did have a scripting language of sorts
in that quit-delightful tool.

On 3/4/06, Robert Brenstein <rjb at robelko.com> wrote:
>
> >Andre Garzia wrote:
> >>
> >>On Mar 4, 2006, at 5:31 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> >>
> >>>Which multimedia authoring tool had a scripting language and premiered
> >>>at the Boston expo the year before HC was released?
> >>
> >>Was it Director known as VideoWorks first??? did I won? Gee, I was
> >>only seven years old! :-D
> >
> >Good guess, but Director/Videoworks didn't add a scripting language
> >until after HC was released.
> >
> >Hint: the developer's first name was Bill, and his last name started
> >with an "A", but it wasn't "Atkinson".
> >
> >--
> >  Richard Gaskin
> >  Managing Editor, revJournal
>
>
> Would you mean World Builder by Bill Appleton (Silicon Beach Software)?
>
> Robert
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Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
>From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html


From psahores at easynet.fr  Sat Mar  4 16:43:31 2006
From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 22:43:31 +0100
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603041340u21e33ab3x82eb749501680642@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1hbo7xr.sami10ds87i8M%mcdomi@free.fr>
	<p0623090ac02f5d336675@192.168.1.101>
	<4409F920.4040200@fourthworld.com>
	<2F4220BE-BB00-4460-A115-F78A183F4409@mac.com>
	<4409FC64.4080907@fourthworld.com>
	<a06110406c02fb2c8700e@192.168.1.101>
	<70ed6b130603041340u21e33ab3x82eb749501680642@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <71410B35-8706-4043-B8FE-FFACB3B357CD@easynet.fr>

Richard ? ;-)

Le 4 mars 06 ? 22:40, Dan Shafer a ?crit :

> I think you're right, Robert. I seem to recall writing a piece on
> interactive fiction in that time frame and interviewing Appleton  
> for it. My
> memory is a bit fuzzy but I think he did have a scripting language  
> of sorts
> in that quit-delightful tool.
>
> On 3/4/06, Robert Brenstein <rjb at robelko.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Andre Garzia wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 4, 2006, at 5:31 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Which multimedia authoring tool had a scripting language and  
>>>>> premiered
>>>>> at the Boston expo the year before HC was released?
>>>>
>>>> Was it Director known as VideoWorks first??? did I won? Gee, I was
>>>> only seven years old! :-D
>>>
>>> Good guess, but Director/Videoworks didn't add a scripting language
>>> until after HC was released.
>>>
>>> Hint: the developer's first name was Bill, and his last name started
>>> with an "A", but it wasn't "Atkinson".
>>>
>>> --
>>>  Richard Gaskin
>>>  Managing Editor, revJournal
>>
>>
>> Would you mean World Builder by Bill Appleton (Silicon Beach  
>> Software)?
>>
>> Robert
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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>
>
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author
> http://www.shafermedia.com
> Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
>> From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Mar  4 16:57:11 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 13:57:11 -0800
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <a06110406c02fb2c8700e@[192.168.1.101]>
References: <1hbo7xr.sami10ds87i8M%mcdomi@free.fr>	<p0623090ac02f5d336675@[192.168.1.101]>	<4409F920.4040200@fourthworld.com>	<2F4220BE-BB00-4460-A115-F78A183F4409@mac.com>	<4409FC64.4080907@fourthworld.com>
	<a06110406c02fb2c8700e@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <440A0D37.6020707@fourthworld.com>

Robert Brenstein wrote:
>> Andre Garzia wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mar 4, 2006, at 5:31 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>>
>>>> Which multimedia authoring tool had a scripting language and premiered
>>>> at the Boston expo the year before HC was released?
>>>
>>> Was it Director known as VideoWorks first??? did I won? Gee, I was 
>>> only seven years old! :-D
>>
>> Good guess, but Director/Videoworks didn't add a scripting language 
>> until after HC was released.
>>
>> Hint: the developer's first name was Bill, and his last name started 
>> with an "A", but it wasn't "Atkinson".
>>
>> -- 
>>  Richard Gaskin
>>  Managing Editor, revJournal
> 
> 
> Would you mean World Builder by Bill Appleton (Silicon Beach Software)?

That's the one.

:)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Sat Mar  4 18:05:28 2006
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 18:05:28 -0500
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603041258h185a2676vbaccc896398b22d3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1hbo7xr.sami10ds87i8M%mcdomi@free.fr>
	<p0623090ac02f5d336675@192.168.1.101>
	<4409F920.4040200@fourthworld.com>
	<2F4220BE-BB00-4460-A115-F78A183F4409@mac.com>
	<70ed6b130603041258h185a2676vbaccc896398b22d3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <08805EBA-5D3D-481A-9608-9CC6E927211B@conncoll.edu>


On Mar 4, 2006, at 3:58 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:

> Dreamcard was a "crippled Rev." It straddled the lines of an  
> inventive user
> and a professional developer but the lines were blurred and the  
> audiences
> and messages so different that it created as much confusion as it did
> anything else.

Well, I didn't feel confused at all. Dreamcard is, or was, "crippled"  
only in two ways: no standalones, no Oracle-type dbs. Not significant  
drawbacks for someone building open-source academic tutorial apps.  
And while the (if I recall correctly) $60 academic price, for someone  
with no institutional or corporate budget to call upon, wasn't  
nothing -- wasn't, in other words, as attractive as the price of  
something like Python + wxPython. which I use to build other academic  
tutorial apps; as as Hypercard for that matter -- it was worth it, if  
what you wanted to do was specifically Hypercard-like. I had an old  
Hypercard tutorial I wanted to modernize, and doing it in Python  
would have been perhaps more work than it was worth.

As for attractive upgrade prices for Studio, the best I have seen so  
far is $200. It does not attract me.

Whether it's a wise business move on Rev's part I suppose I can't  
judge, and I really don't care. Unless I've misunderstood something  
in the deal, or in Media -- and I certainly agree that the p.r. has  
been confusing -- I'll be waving bye-bye to Rev toot sweet. (Or keep  
using the old one? I don't think so, except for the occasional jiffy  
stack. Or pay $50 for a final year of upgrades to the engine? High  
price for a dead-end street.)

Get out your handkerchiefs? Of course not. The question, for Rev, is  
whether users like me are as trivial a proportion, and as trivial a  
segment, of their market as they *appear* to think. I'm holding my  
fire until I understand better. But that's the way it looks so far.

Charles



From see3d at writeme.com  Sat Mar  4 20:00:21 2006
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 20:00:21 -0500
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <08805EBA-5D3D-481A-9608-9CC6E927211B@conncoll.edu>
References: <1hbo7xr.sami10ds87i8M%mcdomi@free.fr>
	<p0623090ac02f5d336675@192.168.1.101>
	<4409F920.4040200@fourthworld.com>
	<2F4220BE-BB00-4460-A115-F78A183F4409@mac.com>
	<70ed6b130603041258h185a2676vbaccc896398b22d3@mail.gmail.com>
	<08805EBA-5D3D-481A-9608-9CC6E927211B@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <7761C863-95DA-471B-9406-C639A18A047C@writeme.com>

I was not impressed with the new plan either.  I own Studio, but  
bought DC when they first offered it because it was an economical way  
to stay up to date.  I had no interest in compiling my apps.  Most of  
the nifty upgrades to the language are eye candy that real app  
developers might appreciate, but my personal needs are more simple,  
but I really appreciate the bug fixes.  I bought the first SuperCard  
cross grade offering of Revolution when it first came out, and have  
only used it a lot in the last year.   I just wanted a good XTalk  
interpreter environment to make my own inventive tools, but I need  
speed to crunch a lot of numbers and Rev was faster than my  
SuperCard.  I found DC to exactly match my needs as a personal  
programming tool --no confusion at all.

I appreciated the one year extension offer (which I purchased),  
because it gives me another year of upgrades, at a price I was  
expecting to pay each year, in which to evaluate my changing needs  
and to evaluate if Media is sufficient for me.  I am sure it would  
work fine for me.  However, I am not so sure about this backdrop  
stuff.  I don't have any programs that take over my screen on my  
desktop.  I keep a lot of programs open at the same time on two  
monitors.  If it blanks them out, I will most likely keep using DC  
until it won't run on my machine anymore, then decide if I want to  
update Studio or go back to SuperCard, or something else.  However,  
by that time Rev may have a whole new plan and product slate.

My point is this, the good Rev folks gave me a reasonable option to  
continue the way I was and decide later.  I don't feel like I have  
been trapped in a corner, and have to decide what to do now.  I have  
time on my side.

I do hope Media is successful in making Rev more accessible to a  
larger audience.  I will give it a test run after it comes out.  My  
personal opinion though is that having a programming UI like  
Constellation makes it much easier to use Transcript.  The Rev folks  
might want to rethink that end of things for their entry level app.

Dennis


On Mar 4, 2006, at 6:05 PM, Charles Hartman wrote:

>
> On Mar 4, 2006, at 3:58 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:
>
>> Dreamcard was a "crippled Rev." It straddled the lines of an  
>> inventive user
>> and a professional developer but the lines were blurred and the  
>> audiences
>> and messages so different that it created as much confusion as it did
>> anything else.
>
> Well, I didn't feel confused at all. Dreamcard is, or was,  
> "crippled" only in two ways: no standalones, no Oracle-type dbs.  
> Not significant drawbacks for someone building open-source academic  
> tutorial apps. And while the (if I recall correctly) $60 academic  
> price, for someone with no institutional or corporate budget to  
> call upon, wasn't nothing -- wasn't, in other words, as attractive  
> as the price of something like Python + wxPython. which I use to  
> build other academic tutorial apps; as as Hypercard for that matter  
> -- it was worth it, if what you wanted to do was specifically  
> Hypercard-like. I had an old Hypercard tutorial I wanted to  
> modernize, and doing it in Python would have been perhaps more work  
> than it was worth.
>
> As for attractive upgrade prices for Studio, the best I have seen  
> so far is $200. It does not attract me.
>
> Whether it's a wise business move on Rev's part I suppose I can't  
> judge, and I really don't care. Unless I've misunderstood something  
> in the deal, or in Media -- and I certainly agree that the p.r. has  
> been confusing -- I'll be waving bye-bye to Rev toot sweet. (Or  
> keep using the old one? I don't think so, except for the occasional  
> jiffy stack. Or pay $50 for a final year of upgrades to the engine?  
> High price for a dead-end street.)
>
> Get out your handkerchiefs? Of course not. The question, for Rev,  
> is whether users like me are as trivial a proportion, and as  
> trivial a segment, of their market as they *appear* to think. I'm  
> holding my fire until I understand better. But that's the way it  
> looks so far.
>
> Charles
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Mar  4 20:31:54 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 19:31:54 -0600
Subject: No OpenStack ..... ! continued
In-Reply-To: <1f3c12667ba1490a55b356b076727717@wanadoo.fr>
References: <1f3c12667ba1490a55b356b076727717@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <440A3F8A.9000507@hyperactivesw.com>

Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:
> Hi Jacqueline,
> 
> You wanted my "openStack" script, so here it is.
> But I can't see anything in there that can cause
> a problem. I hope it is easy to read with the folding.
> It works perfectly well when I type "OpenStack" in the
> message box (on my Mac).

I'm not sure why it works on Mac either, actually, but maybe I am 
misinterpreting the script. You have many variables that are not defined:

myImpExpFileName
myDataFolderName
myPrintFileName

etc. Do you have fields that are named those things? If so, put them in 
quotation marks, like this:

if exists(field "MyImpExpFileName") then...

If you do not have fields named MyImpExpFileName, etc. then those lines 
of script will never execute. But you say they work on Mac, so maybe you 
do have fields named that way.

This looks wrong to me too:

   put "\Revolution\" into GVStackPath...

Paths in Revolution always use forward slashes, so it should be:

   put "/Revolution/" into GVStackPath

same as on Macs. This might be why the script does not work on Windows.

For a test, try making a simple stack with a simple openStack script. 
Maybe like this:

  on openstack
    put "Openstack sent"
  end openstack

Then run the stack on Windows. You should see "openstack sent" displayed 
in the message box. That means the message was sent properly.

Finally, try putting a breakpoint next to one of the lines in your 
openstack handler. When you open the stack on Windows, you should drop 
into the debugger when it finds that breakpoint. Then you can step 
through each line to see what is going wrong.

If you do not drop into the debugger, then you are right, the openstack 
message is probably not being sent to your stack. That usually means 
another script has blocked it somewhere, maybe in a frontscript.


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From martyknapp at comcast.net  Sat Mar  4 20:41:23 2006
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 17:41:23 -0800
Subject: Windows file visibility
Message-ID: <440A41C3.2010103@comcast.net>

I've been playing with a recipe from the Scripter's Scrapbook 
(setFileVisibility) but I can't seem to make it work on my XP machine. I 
poked around on Google but didn't find anything that really helped.

basically I'm doing this:
#creating a text file
#then attempt to make it invisible:

put "attrib +h" && thePathToMyFile into commandString
get shell commandString

But my file remains visible. Perhaps this works on older versions of 
Windows? My Windows skills are pretty basic, so I may be missing 
something simple.

Thanks for any help,
Marty Knapp


From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Sat Mar  4 20:52:54 2006
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 20:52:54 -0500
Subject: Windows file visibility
Message-ID: <OF4E89C69B.D6878FB2-ON85257128.0009C370@sealedair.com>

> basically I'm doing this:
> #creating a text file
> #then attempt to make it invisible:
> 
> put "attrib +h" && thePathToMyFile into commandString
> get shell commandString
> 
> But my file remains visible.

Marty,

You may just be conflicting with your OS settings. Do you have XP folder 
options set to show hidden files? Another possibility is that you are 
using a / rather than a \ as the path folder delimiter. Any time you use 
shell on Windows, you need to replace "/" with "\" in commandString before 
executing the get shell command.

Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>



From martyknapp at comcast.net  Sat Mar  4 21:19:38 2006
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 18:19:38 -0800
Subject: Windows file visibility
In-Reply-To: <OF4E89C69B.D6878FB2-ON85257128.0009C370@sealedair.com>
References: <OF4E89C69B.D6878FB2-ON85257128.0009C370@sealedair.com>
Message-ID: <440A4ABA.8000608@comcast.net>

Hey Roger,

I tried the delimiter both ways and checked (and reset) my folder 
options - still no go. When I check the File Properties for the file 
"Hidden" is not checked after I've run the shell command on it . . .

Marty
>> basically I'm doing this:
>> #creating a text file
>> #then attempt to make it invisible:
>>
>> put "attrib +h" && thePathToMyFile into commandString
>> get shell commandString
>>
>> But my file remains visible.
>>     
>
> Marty,
>
> You may just be conflicting with your OS settings. Do you have XP folder 
> options set to show hidden files? Another possibility is that you are 
> using a / rather than a \ as the path folder delimiter. Any time you use 
> shell on Windows, you need to replace "/" with "\" in commandString before 
> executing the get shell command.
>
> Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>
>   


From martinblackman at gmail.com  Sat Mar  4 21:24:22 2006
From: martinblackman at gmail.com (Martin Blackman)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 10:24:22 +0800
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603041258h185a2676vbaccc896398b22d3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1hbo7xr.sami10ds87i8M%mcdomi@free.fr>
	<p0623090ac02f5d336675@192.168.1.101>
	<4409F920.4040200@fourthworld.com>
	<2F4220BE-BB00-4460-A115-F78A183F4409@mac.com>
	<70ed6b130603041258h185a2676vbaccc896398b22d3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79d1bee70603041824u4d4095f8l@mail.gmail.com>

On 05/03/06, Dan Shafer <revolutionary.dan at gmail.com> wrote:

> "Use Revolution, the English like, built-in language, to add the *step by
> step logic *of your concept to your creation." I suspect -- but again my
> caveat -- that this is just a mistake, that the language is called
> Transcript, not Revolution (which would be devilishly confusing, no?).

Perhaps Run Rev are trying to confuse us all - you can read these two
quotes from the same page at http://revstudio.runrev.com/easy.php  :

'Then use Transcript, Revolution's built-in scripting language, to add
in-depth functionality and connectivity.'

'Revolution uses an English like command language also called... Revolution'


From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Sat Mar  4 21:26:29 2006
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 21:26:29 -0500
Subject: Windows file visibility
Message-ID: <OFDCC88242.2912F478-ON85257128.000D1B13@sealedair.com>

> I tried the delimiter both ways and checked (and reset) my folder
> options - still no go.

>> put "attrib +h" && thePathToMyFile into commandString

Are there any spaces in thePathToMyFile? If so, try enclosing it in 
quotes.

put "attrib +h" && quote & thePathToMyFile & quote into commandString

Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>



From martyknapp at comcast.net  Sat Mar  4 21:34:33 2006
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 18:34:33 -0800
Subject: Windows file visibility
In-Reply-To: <OFDCC88242.2912F478-ON85257128.000D1B13@sealedair.com>
References: <OFDCC88242.2912F478-ON85257128.000D1B13@sealedair.com>
Message-ID: <440A4E39.7080306@comcast.net>

Roger,

I owe you a beer! adding the quotes fixed the problem (I was placing the 
file in the Documents and Settings folder). Thanks for your help.

Marty
>> I tried the delimiter both ways and checked (and reset) my folder
>> options - still no go.
>>     
>
>   
>>> put "attrib +h" && thePathToMyFile into commandString
>>>       
>
> Are there any spaces in thePathToMyFile? If so, try enclosing it in 
> quotes.
>
> put "attrib +h" && quote & thePathToMyFile & quote into commandString
>
> Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>
>   


From jswitte at bloomington.in.us  Sat Mar  4 21:40:40 2006
From: jswitte at bloomington.in.us (Jim Witte)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 21:40:40 -0500
Subject: Way to do RegEx substring replacements?
Message-ID: <71A00F4D-42BA-4871-9BE1-0B385FF3B688@bloomington.in.us>

Is there a way in Revolution (2.0.3) to do a RegEx find and replace  
using one of the sub-expressions, like finding

(....) ([^x]*)x.*

and replacing by

\1\t\2

directly without having to use matchText to extract the  
subexpressions and then construct the line? (Yes, I know this should  
be in Perl, Python, or something else - that's next after the  
prototype is done)

Jim


From john at debraneys.com  Sat Mar  4 21:48:32 2006
From: john at debraneys.com (John Tregea)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 10:48:32 +0800
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <4409F920.4040200@fourthworld.com>
References: <1hbo7xr.sami10ds87i8M%mcdomi@free.fr>	<p0623090ac02f5d336675@[192.168.1.101]>
	<4409F920.4040200@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <440A5180.3030108@debraneys.com>

Ahhhhh, those were heady days... I was at that Boston MacWorld (visiting 
on my first trip from Australia). Someone recommended that I go check 
out this new "HyperCard" and I saw Bill Atkinson presenting it. I ended 
up scoring an "ACME Bowling" team jacket (which was the HyperCard 
developer team official apparel. Ended up working at Apple, developing 
HyperCard toolkits, templates etc...

Ya gotta love that I was able to open some of my developer tool stacks 
from that time in Rev and it still all worked.

John T

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Stephen Barncard wrote:
>>  From Wikipedia:
>> HyperCard was created by Bill Atkinson and initially released in 
>> August 1987
>
> Trivia question:
>
> Many HC fans know that HyperCard was originally designed without a
> scripting language, which was added later in the development process.
>
> Which multimedia authoring tool had a scripting language and premiered
> at the Boston expo the year before HC was released?
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal
>  _______________________________________________________
>  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Mar  4 21:50:11 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 20:50:11 -0600
Subject: Way to do RegEx substring replacements?
In-Reply-To: <71A00F4D-42BA-4871-9BE1-0B385FF3B688@bloomington.in.us>
References: <71A00F4D-42BA-4871-9BE1-0B385FF3B688@bloomington.in.us>
Message-ID: <440A51E3.5000801@hyperactivesw.com>

Jim Witte wrote:
> Is there a way in Revolution (2.0.3) to do a RegEx find and replace  
> using one of the sub-expressions, like finding
> 
> (....) ([^x]*)x.*
> 
> and replacing by
> 
> \1\t\2
> 
> directly without having to use matchText to extract the  subexpressions 
> and then construct the line? (Yes, I know this should  be in Perl, 
> Python, or something else - that's next after the  prototype is done)

See if the "replaceText" function does what you want.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jswitte at bloomington.in.us  Sat Mar  4 23:00:21 2006
From: jswitte at bloomington.in.us (Jim Witte)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 23:00:21 -0500
Subject: Stripping trailing spaces from a string
Message-ID: <D513BED6-7711-4CC7-B48A-CD7EE8D3A44D@bloomington.in.us>

How can I use a RegEx to strip trailing white-space?  I tried:

get matchText(theExpr, "(.*)\s*", theExpr)

where theExpr is "0025E95C mov      r5, r0                         	"


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Sun Mar  5 00:06:53 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 21:06:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <B5130CFE-BFEF-48BE-B8B0-66C3F9ACD8D9@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603042103020.9673-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>



On Sat, 4 Mar 2006, Charles Hartman wrote:

> Right. There's the point. When you buy something like Hypercard, or
> Dreamcard, you're buying a GUI builder and programming lanuage. But a
> GUI builder and programming language in which you can't control the
> screen even to the extent of getting rid of a backdrop sounds to me
> like a parameterized PowerPoint. The feature-comparison page on the
> web site (Media can't connect even to a mySQL database, can't do CGI,
> but has nice "templates" for people who don't want to program
> anything) says pretty plainly that Media is no replacement for
> Dreamcard.

--For the price -- roughly half of what Hypercard last sold for --  it
seems fair enough.  Can you do mySQL and CGIs in PowerPoint? (not being
nasty: I really don't know but doubt it as I don't think it has a
scripting language).

As for templates, I, for one, am doing the Snoopy dance.  Hypercard had
them and some of us have been asking for this for a very long time
(although I recall being the very person who's complained about them in
other apps) @;-)

Judy



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Sun Mar  5 00:08:34 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 21:08:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <20060304155659.1E6017F03B@spatula.dreamhost.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603042107500.9673-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Perhaps this could be spelled out in any emails sent to people on the
subject, along with instructions on how to implement engine changes?

Judy

On Sat, 4 Mar 2006, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

> If you update DreamCard now, you will get engine updates for the length of
> that update period. A lot of what makes Revolution what it is, is in the
> engine.



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Sun Mar  5 00:10:44 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 21:10:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: XP Problems Persist...
In-Reply-To: <a06110403c02f8ca571cc@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603042109190.9673-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Okay...  probably.  To be honest, I had a difficult time even _seeing_ it
on his dark little Sony Vaio (sp?) laptop with an OS X skin on it ;-)

Judy

On Sat, 4 Mar 2006, Robert Brenstein wrote:

> Actually ._



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  5 01:09:29 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 22:09:29 -0800
Subject: Way to do RegEx substring replacements?
In-Reply-To: <71A00F4D-42BA-4871-9BE1-0B385FF3B688@bloomington.in.us>
Message-ID: <C02FC099.35A54%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/4/06 6:40 PM, "Jim Witte" <jswitte at bloomington.in.us> wrote:

> Is there a way in Revolution (2.0.3) to do a RegEx find and replace
> using one of the sub-expressions, like finding
> 
> (....) ([^x]*)x.*
> 
> and replacing by
> 
> \1\t\2
> 
> directly without having to use matchText to extract the
> subexpressions and then construct the line?
Not that I know of, but I am curious why this is needed.

Be careful that you only have one possible match and that you consider
'greedy' and case sensitive when applying RegEx since \1  and \2 may not be
what you expect.

If given that there is only one possible way to get a match then it is not
really a problem to use two lines to produce the result:

put matchText(lineOfText, "(?Ui)(...)([^x]*)x.*",v1,v2) into vTrueFalse
if vTrueFalse = "true" then
   put v1 & tab & v2 into outputStr
else
   answer "Match not successful, take alternate actions"
end if

Why is this an issue for you?
Do you mean that you want to do more than one replacement in a single text
block?  In that case, I use matchChunk & a repeat loop & temp variables.

>(Yes, I know this should
> be in Perl, Python, or something else - that's next after the
> prototype is done)
Not sure what you mean by this.  I use RegEx quite often in Rev routines, as
well as filter, replace, replaceText.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun Mar  5 01:33:44 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 00:33:44 -0600
Subject: Stripping trailing spaces from a string
In-Reply-To: <D513BED6-7711-4CC7-B48A-CD7EE8D3A44D@bloomington.in.us>
Message-ID: <C02FE268.36FD8%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/4/06 10:00 PM, "Jim Witte" <jswitte at bloomington.in.us> wrote:

> How can I use a RegEx to strip trailing white-space?  I tried:
> 
> get matchText(theExpr, "(.*)\s*", theExpr)
> 
> where theExpr is "0025E95C mov      r5, r0                          "

Here's a version I have that trims whitespace from both sides of a string,
and includes 'normal' whitespace, along with hard spaces (watch word wraps):

function trim pWhat
  local dummy,tRetVal
  if the platform is "MacOS" then put "\xca" into tHardSpc
  else put "\xa0" into tHardSpc
  get matchText(pWhat, "(?s)^(\s|" & tHardSpc & ")*(.*?)(\s|" & tHardSpc &
")*$",dummy,tRetVal)
  return tRetVal
end trim

However using RegEx for trimming is not the fastest approach, although the
difference between 0.0391 ticks for the RegEx version vs. 0.0004 ticks for
the fastest version is not recognizable unless you have to do it thousands
of times...


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  5 01:51:08 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 22:51:08 -0800
Subject: Stripping trailing spaces from a string
In-Reply-To: <D513BED6-7711-4CC7-B48A-CD7EE8D3A44D@bloomington.in.us>
Message-ID: <C02FCA5C.35A58%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/4/06 8:00 PM, "Jim Witte" <jswitte at bloomington.in.us> wrote:

> How can I use a RegEx to strip trailing white-space?  I tried:
> 
> get matchText(theExpr, "(.*)\s*", theExpr)
> 
> where theExpr is "0025E95C mov      r5, r0                          "
> _______________________________________________

   put "(.*[^\s])" into regEx --trims spaces from right
  get matchText(strr,regEx,strr)

Basically says capture the whole string and come back until the character is
not a "word delimiter", not necessarily a space.  If you only want spaces to
qualify then use

put "(.*[^\ ])" into regEx --trims spaces from right
(note the space char after the "\")


put "([^\s]+)" into RegEx  --matches only the first word

Basically says capture the characters as long as it is not a "word
delimiter".


Ken has MUCH better experience and even gives time trial results :-)


Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From mcdomi at free.fr  Sun Mar  5 03:19:20 2006
From: mcdomi at free.fr (Dom)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 09:19:20 +0100
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <79d1bee70603041824u4d4095f8l@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1hbpz0f.4ac8h51xdpmmyM%mcdomi@free.fr>

Martin Blackman <martinblackman at gmail.com> wrote:

> 'Then use Transcript, Revolution's built-in scripting language, to add
> in-depth functionality and connectivity.'
> 
> 'Revolution uses an English like command language also called... Revolution'

That's the biggest "unknown factor"...
How about compatibility questions between the Revolution duet?

Is it the same scripting language, or not?
Is it only a subset?

Will stacks written in the "full" version run in the "Media" version?
And will "Media" stacks run in the full version?



From WvanHeemstra at xs4all.nl  Sun Mar  5 05:51:30 2006
From: WvanHeemstra at xs4all.nl (Willem van Heemstra)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 10:51:30 +0000
Subject: Trying to find Revolution Adventure Game template
Message-ID: <854646E1-0983-4EAB-BECD-4783A3145F05@xs4all.nl>

Hi,

I have installed Revolution Media and I am trying to find Revolution  
Adventure Game template.
Does anyone know where this template is and how to start building a  
game from it?

Thanks,

Willem


From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Sun Mar  5 07:55:10 2006
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9.Bisseret?=)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 13:55:10 +0100
Subject: Is style a kind of font ?
In-Reply-To: <4409F7C9.8040903@hytext.com>
Message-ID: <47E45AEA-AC47-11DA-8A4C-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>


Le Saturday, 4 Mar 2006, ? 21:25 Europe/Paris, Jerry Muelver a ?crit :

>
> Klaus Major wrote:
>> I, personally, consider this a bug!
>>
>> From the docs about "textfont":
>> If the chunk contains more than one font, the chunk's textFont 
>> property reports "mixed".
>>
>> But even if the textfont is identical and only the styles are "mixed" 
>> I get
>> put the textfont of line 1 of fld 1 -> "mixed
>>
>> Or am I missing something obvious?

Thank you Klaus for your attention and your kind answer.

> Technically, every size, style, and weight of a typeface is different 
> "font". Arial Bold is a different font from just plain Arial. In CSS, 
> note that the font selection is for font-family (like, all the the 
> Arials), font-size, font-stretch, font-style, font-variant, and 
> font-weight. So, if you have the same family (Arial), but several 
> styles (bold for a few characters, bold-italic for the rest), you will 
> have a "mixed" property report.
>
> ---- Jerry Muelver
Thanks a lot Jerry for this clear explanation. Like Klaus, I better 
understand now.

Anyway, I?m not sure that Rev takes this precise definition fullly into 
account. I keep needing to be able in REV to get the name of the ? font 
family ? for some such part of text, regardless of styles, size, 
stretch etc.

In Rev, assume that I have a text, say, ? My taylor is rich ? in ? 
courier ?, with ? My ? and ? is ? in plain, ? taylor ? in  italic and 
rich underlined :
I can set the textFont of this text to ? Times ?, the differents words  
keeping their differents styles. So with ? set ? the textFont exists 
independently of the styles.
But, then, with ? get the textFont ? it reports ? mixed ?. So with ? 
get ? the textFont does not exist independently of the styles.
I am not a linguist, but would it not seem to be somehow a bit 
inconsistent ;-)))

POSSIBLE SOLUTION :
In the current state of Rev (2.6.1), to get the textFont (family) of a 
line,  I understand that we have to get the textFont of one single word 
in this line, or, may be better, of one single char in the line (in 
case the choosen word would have several things like ? styles ? in it).

Best regards from Grenoble
Andr?




From Stgoldberg at aol.com  Sun Mar  5 08:27:14 2006
From: Stgoldberg at aol.com (Stgoldberg at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 08:27:14 EST
Subject: Cursor not showing up in standalone
Message-ID: <289.6ae75f1.313c4132@aol.com>

I've tried photocopying the magGlass cursor (black and white 16x16 pixel) and 
then setting the cursor to the ID of the image, but on my computer (OS X 
Revolution Studio version 2.7) I still only get a white outline, rather than the   
graphic. If you are right, Jacquie, that this may be a bug to be fixed in the 
next update, I'll wait.   In the meantime I'm using a workaround.   I'm 
trying to have the user do a mousedown over a small round graphic that indicates 
the spot to listen to the patient's heart.   Once the mouse is down, I wanted 
the cursor to change to a small stethescope (which looks like the magnifying 
glass) and then hear the heart sound.   Since I can't get the cursor to change to 
the magnifying glass (Perhaps I've misunderstood Chipp) I can at least issue 
the command to set the showname of the graphic to true, the name now being "X" 
(as in "X" marks the spot) letting the user know s/he has correctly clicked 
at the right spot. The "X" appears with mousedown and disappears (showname   
false) on mouseUp. Thanks.
Steve Goldberg

In a message dated 3/4/06 1:19:23 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com 
writes:


> Hi Steve,
> 
> I manually copy the cursor to my stacks and assign it an ID I know won't
> conflict.
> 
> Then I do:
> 
> set cursor to the id of img "magGlass"
> 
> hth, chipp
> 
> This sounds like the same bug in the standalone builder that prevented
copying externals to a standalone. It's been fixed for the next update.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay? ? ? ?? |? ?? jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software? ? ? ? ?? |? ?? http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> Stgoldberg at aol.com wrote:
> 
> >I hope this is a simple matter and I'm just overlooking the obvious: I'd 
> like
> >the cursor to change to a magnifying glass when the mouse is down, so I've
> >written:
> >
> >on mouseDown
> >set cursor to 378
> >set lockcursor true
> >end mouseDown
> >
> >This works fine before the standalone.?? But after the standalone, the 
> cursor
> >does not show up either on the Mac or Windows version (I'm developing on a
> >Mac OS X).?? I've also checked off "Select inclusions for the standalone
> >application" and "Cursors"?? in the General Standalone Application 
> Settings.?? Am I
> >missing something??? Thanks very much.
> >Steve Goldberg
> 



From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Sun Mar  5 08:41:08 2006
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 08:41:08 -0500
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603042103020.9673-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603042103020.9673-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <11D361C9-9D84-46F5-BAE0-FC6727E047C0@conncoll.edu>


On Mar 5, 2006, at 12:06 AM, Judy Perry wrote:

> --For the price -- roughly half of what Hypercard last sold for --  it
> seems fair enough.

Which price? $60? yes. $200? no.

> Can you do mySQL and CGIs in PowerPoint? (not being
> nasty: I really don't know but doubt it as I don't think it has a
> scripting language).

No. That's exactly my point. In Dreamcard you can. In Media you  
can't. In this way, at least, Media resembles PowerPoint more than  
Dreamcard.

Charles



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Mar  5 11:08:29 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 08:08:29 -0800
Subject: Trying to find Revolution Adventure Game template
In-Reply-To: <854646E1-0983-4EAB-BECD-4783A3145F05@xs4all.nl>
References: <854646E1-0983-4EAB-BECD-4783A3145F05@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <440B0CFD.7060109@fourthworld.com>

Willem van Heemstra wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have installed Revolution Media and I am trying to find Revolution 
> Adventure Game template.
> Does anyone know where this template is and how to start building a game 
> from it?

The RunRev site says Revolution Media is not yet available.

What exactly do you have?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From WvanHeemstra at xs4all.nl  Sun Mar  5 11:14:57 2006
From: WvanHeemstra at xs4all.nl (Willem van Heemstra)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 16:14:57 +0000
Subject: Trying to find Revolution Adventure Game template
In-Reply-To: <440B0CFD.7060109@fourthworld.com>
References: <854646E1-0983-4EAB-BECD-4783A3145F05@xs4all.nl>
	<440B0CFD.7060109@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <3036A449-D08A-485D-B8FE-5D9FF3DCD6EA@xs4all.nl>

Hi Richard,

I've looked it up.. Revolution Enterprise for Mac OS X (Tiger).

Would that help to answer my question?

Thanks,

Willem

Op 5 Mar 2006, om 16:08 heeft Richard Gaskin het volgende geschreven:

> Willem van Heemstra wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I have installed Revolution Media and I am trying to find  
>> Revolution Adventure Game template.
>> Does anyone know where this template is and how to start building  
>> a game from it?
>
> The RunRev site says Revolution Media is not yet available.
>
> What exactly do you have?
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal
>  _______________________________________________________
>  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Mar  5 11:28:04 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 08:28:04 -0800
Subject: Trying to find Revolution Adventure Game template
In-Reply-To: <3036A449-D08A-485D-B8FE-5D9FF3DCD6EA@xs4all.nl>
References: <854646E1-0983-4EAB-BECD-4783A3145F05@xs4all.nl>	<440B0CFD.7060109@fourthworld.com>
	<3036A449-D08A-485D-B8FE-5D9FF3DCD6EA@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <440B1194.3010706@fourthworld.com>

Willem van Heemstra wrote:
 >>> I have installed Revolution Media and I am trying to find Revolution
 >>> Adventure Game template.
 >>> Does anyone know where this template is and how to start building a
 >>> game from it?
 >>
 >> The RunRev site says Revolution Media is not yet available.
 >>
 >> What exactly do you have?
 >
 > I've looked it up.. Revolution Enterprise for Mac OS X (Tiger).
 >
 > Would that help to answer my question?

The templates are only available with Media:
<http://www.runrev.com/section/platform.php>

According to that feature comparison if you pay much more for Studio or 
Enterprise you actually get less in terms of the templates.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com



From WvanHeemstra at xs4all.nl  Sun Mar  5 11:33:05 2006
From: WvanHeemstra at xs4all.nl (Willem van Heemstra)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 16:33:05 +0000
Subject: Trying to find Revolution Adventure Game template
In-Reply-To: <440B1194.3010706@fourthworld.com>
References: <854646E1-0983-4EAB-BECD-4783A3145F05@xs4all.nl>	<440B0CFD.7060109@fourthworld.com>
	<3036A449-D08A-485D-B8FE-5D9FF3DCD6EA@xs4all.nl>
	<440B1194.3010706@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <BFDA0CEA-BB8E-483E-9F39-2E0FCEA4EEDC@xs4all.nl>

Oops, so only with Revolution Media the templates are included.

Are there examples of how to build an adventure game with Revolution  
other than the aforementioned templates?

I'd like to start of with the basics, haven't build games before...

Thanks,

Willem

Op 5 Mar 2006, om 16:28 heeft Richard Gaskin het volgende geschreven:

> Willem van Heemstra wrote:
> >>> I have installed Revolution Media and I am trying to find  
> Revolution
> >>> Adventure Game template.
> >>> Does anyone know where this template is and how to start  
> building a
> >>> game from it?
> >>
> >> The RunRev site says Revolution Media is not yet available.
> >>
> >> What exactly do you have?
> >
> > I've looked it up.. Revolution Enterprise for Mac OS X (Tiger).
> >
> > Would that help to answer my question?
>
> The templates are only available with Media:
> <http://www.runrev.com/section/platform.php>
>
> According to that feature comparison if you pay much more for  
> Studio or Enterprise you actually get less in terms of the templates.
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal
>  _______________________________________________________
>  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From rcozens at pon.net  Sun Mar  5 11:45:59 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 08:45:59 -0800
Subject: No OpenStack ..... ! continued
In-Reply-To: <1f3c12667ba1490a55b356b076727717@wanadoo.fr>
References: <1f3c12667ba1490a55b356b076727717@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <860055D6-AC67-11DA-BBA2-0030657E1638@pon.net>


Hi Francis,

> You wanted my "openStack" script, so here it is.
> But I can't see anything in there that can cause
> a problem. I hope it is easy to read with the folding.
> It works perfectly well when I type "OpenStack" in the
> message box (on my Mac).
>

Does your stack have a preOpenStack or preOpenCard (for card 1) handler?

If it does, try running it/them from the Message Window.

Both handlers run before openStack, and it has been my experience that 
errors in preOpenStack handlers may _not_ generate an error message.


Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)






From revolution at derbrill.de  Sun Mar  5 11:55:58 2006
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 17:55:58 +0100
Subject: Trying to find Revolution Adventure Game template
In-Reply-To: <20060305051113.7B9A8825F8C@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <EB14C036-AC68-11DA-92D5-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>

Hi Willem,

 >I'd like to start of with the basics, haven't build games before...

I have a few questions if you don?t mind.

Are you familiar with Transcript already?
What kind of adventures do you want to build?
What should the minimal feature set of your adventure offer?
Do you want to build adventures only, or games in general?

All the best,

Malte


-- 
ArcadeEngine - prepare to WOW your audience within minutes
http://www.runrev.com/section/revselect/arcadeengine
http://www.derbrill.com/arcadeengine/forum 


From mikeythek at gmail.com  Sun Mar  5 12:12:12 2006
From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 12:12:12 -0500
Subject: Trying to find Revolution Adventure Game template
In-Reply-To: <EB14C036-AC68-11DA-92D5-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>
References: <20060305051113.7B9A8825F8C@mail.runrev.com>
	<EB14C036-AC68-11DA-92D5-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <9b408d8e0603050912y46a696f5td420041300e45d5d@mail.gmail.com>

You could also do something REALLY crazy and port netHack to RR. 
NetHack is, IMHO, the best adventure game ever.

Try it out at nethack.org

NetHack is part of a group of games that descend from a game called
Rogue.  NetHack is the most popular.  There is also a version called
Moria.  Each one has advantages/disadvantages.  All are open source.




--
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From rcozens at pon.net  Sun Mar  5 12:19:50 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 09:19:50 -0800
Subject: Locking Messages
In-Reply-To: <86ae76bb0603040957k2fcb93e0sff9c2c1bd50bc2c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <86ae76bb0603032108k2781f65bq9ce75fc5eae55a6e@mail.gmail.com>
	<57B2D9BC-AB99-11DA-BB8D-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<86ae76bb0603040957k2fcb93e0sff9c2c1bd50bc2c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <40D628A1-AC6C-11DA-BBA2-0030657E1638@pon.net>


Bridger,

> The thing is a
> card may have a handler in it that is triggered, that refers to an 
> object on
> another card.  Because it has been seperated from the rest of the 
> stack, it
> can't find that object and it causes errors.  Once it is inserted into 
> the
> new stack it should stop causing errors, but until then I need to lock 
> the
> messages to the stack holding the card so it doesn't trigger anything. 
>  I
> can't really predict what handlers will be triggered, or what the 
> errors are
> going to be so I can't just intercept them beforehand.  Any ideas

1. Isn't it possible to isolate the line in Stack 1's handler where 
this occurs and lock/unlock messages before/after that line?

Eg:

on createStackForNetwork stack3CardId
    ....
    ....
    lock messages
    copy card id stack3CardId of stack "Stack 3" to stack "Stack 2"
    unlock messages
    ...
    ...
end createStackForNetwork

2.  I'm still having trouble understanding why you can't predict when 
and what will happen if Stacks 1, 2, & 3 are your creations.   Only a 
limited number of messages might trigger Stack 3 card handlers when the 
card is copied to Stack 2: newCard, preOpenCard, openCard, and 
closeCard.   If you step through the handler in the debugger with the 
Message Watcher open, you should be able to determine the line(s) that 
trigger the problem.

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From WvanHeemstra at xs4all.nl  Sun Mar  5 12:43:41 2006
From: WvanHeemstra at xs4all.nl (Willem van Heemstra)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 17:43:41 +0000
Subject: Trying to find Revolution Adventure Game template
In-Reply-To: <EB14C036-AC68-11DA-92D5-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>
References: <EB14C036-AC68-11DA-92D5-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <17FABA45-ADFA-40B3-86BE-5529A8E44D46@xs4all.nl>

Thanks Malte,

Tio answer your questions:

> Are you familiar with Transcript already?
No, but I have been a programmer for eight years

> What kind of adventures do you want to build?
i am thinking of an adventure game where the player is to walk around  
and solve problems to continue

> What should the minimal feature set of your adventure offer?
It should offer different environments and dialogue between the  
player and 'helpers' in the game, also score keeping.

> Do you want to build adventures only, or games in general?
To set out with an adventure game is what I prefer, no shooting or  
flying required.
No-multiplayer or online gaming either.

Cheers,

Willem

P.S. have you got experience or hints as to how to make such games  
with Revolution.
I had a look at Arcadia, but it doesn't tell me HOW they used  
Revolution...

Op 5 Mar 2006, om 16:55 heeft Malte Brill het volgende geschreven:

> Hi Willem,
>
> >I'd like to start of with the basics, haven't build games before...
>
> I have a few questions if you don?t mind.
>
> Are you familiar with Transcript already?
> What kind of adventures do you want to build?
> What should the minimal feature set of your adventure offer?
> Do you want to build adventures only, or games in general?
>
> All the best,
>
> Malte
>
>
> -- 
> ArcadeEngine - prepare to WOW your audience within minutes
> http://www.runrev.com/section/revselect/arcadeengine
> http://www.derbrill.com/arcadeengine/forum  
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Sun Mar  5 12:54:09 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 09:54:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <11D361C9-9D84-46F5-BAE0-FC6727E047C0@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603050952300.19515-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>



On Sun, 5 Mar 2006, Charles Hartman wrote:
> On Mar 5, 2006, at 12:06 AM, Judy Perry wrote:
>
> > --For the price -- roughly half of what Hypercard last sold for --  it
> > seems fair enough.
>
> Which price? $60? yes. $200? no.

Maybe  I'm just too bleary-eyed, but isn't Media's price US$49?  And
Hypercard last sold at US$99?

> > Can you do mySQL and CGIs in PowerPoint? (not being
> > nasty: I really don't know but doubt it as I don't think it has a
> > scripting language).
>
> No. That's exactly my point. In Dreamcard you can. In Media you
> can't. In this way, at least, Media resembles PowerPoint more than
> Dreamcard.

--Except that Media still has a scripting language.  At least, I _think_
it does...  I just ordered it for my students, so it had _better_!

Judy



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Sun Mar  5 12:58:33 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 09:58:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Trying to find Revolution Adventure Game template
In-Reply-To: <17FABA45-ADFA-40B3-86BE-5529A8E44D46@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603050955320.19515-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Willem,

Do you mean Myst-like games?  If so, you're in the right place!  Recently,
a Myst-esque game was made in Rev called "Alida":

http://www.alidagame.com/aboutAlida.html

And Myst, of course, was done in Hypercard (with some xtra xcmd help).

Judy

On Sun, 5 Mar 2006, Willem van Heemstra wrote:




From WvanHeemstra at xs4all.nl  Sun Mar  5 12:58:54 2006
From: WvanHeemstra at xs4all.nl (Willem van Heemstra)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 17:58:54 +0000
Subject: Trying to find Revolution Adventure Game template
In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e0603050912y46a696f5td420041300e45d5d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20060305051113.7B9A8825F8C@mail.runrev.com>
	<EB14C036-AC68-11DA-92D5-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>
	<9b408d8e0603050912y46a696f5td420041300e45d5d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ACBD940D-A01B-4B14-98B1-1FCA908A3BA6@xs4all.nl>

Cool, I will try that as well..

Thank you

Willem

Op 5 Mar 2006, om 17:12 heeft Mikey het volgende geschreven:

> You could also do something REALLY crazy and port netHack to RR.
> NetHack is, IMHO, the best adventure game ever.
>
> Try it out at nethack.org
>
> NetHack is part of a group of games that descend from a game called
> Rogue.  NetHack is the most popular.  There is also a version called
> Moria.  Each one has advantages/disadvantages.  All are open source.
>
>
>
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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>



From WvanHeemstra at xs4all.nl  Sun Mar  5 13:10:53 2006
From: WvanHeemstra at xs4all.nl (Willem van Heemstra)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 18:10:53 +0000
Subject: Trying to find Revolution Adventure Game template
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603050955320.19515-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603050955320.19515-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <617C53A8-3C8C-4264-B318-87ED9BDF1CE2@xs4all.nl>

Thanks Judy,

But I cannot seem to find HOW they have used Revolution.
As in, what steps to take to build scenes and actions, you see..

That's the kind of information I am looking for.

Still, very much appreciated!

Cheers,

Willem



Op 5 Mar 2006, om 17:58 heeft Judy Perry het volgende geschreven:

> Willem,
>
> Do you mean Myst-like games?  If so, you're in the right place!   
> Recently,
> a Myst-esque game was made in Rev called "Alida":
>
> http://www.alidagame.com/aboutAlida.html
>
> And Myst, of course, was done in Hypercard (with some xtra xcmd help).
>
> Judy
>
> On Sun, 5 Mar 2006, Willem van Heemstra wrote:
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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> subscription preferences:
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From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Sun Mar  5 13:13:32 2006
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 12:13:32 -0600
Subject: Trying to find Revolution Adventure Game template
In-Reply-To: <440B1194.3010706@fourthworld.com>
References: <854646E1-0983-4EAB-BECD-4783A3145F05@xs4all.nl>	<440B0CFD.7060109@fourthworld.com>
	<3036A449-D08A-485D-B8FE-5D9FF3DCD6EA@xs4all.nl>
	<440B1194.3010706@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <15239A06-C489-4193-91CE-77A05A326343@earthlink.net>

Does anyone know if the templates for Media will work in Enterprise?  
Also, will they work with earlier versions of Rev or only with 2.7 (I  
suspect the latter)?  Will the templates be available for sale  
separate form Media itself.

  I haven't been programming much lately, so haven't renewed my Rev  
subscription. If the templates work with pre-2.7 Rev it might be  
worth my while to buy them just to play around with until I have free  
time to get back into serious programming (and to justify buying 2.7  
license).

Thanks.
On Mar 5, 2006, at 10:28 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

>
> The templates are only available with Media:
> <http://www.runrev.com/section/platform.php>
>
> According to that feature comparison if you pay much more for  
> Studio or Enterprise you actually get less in terms of the templates.


From soapdog at mac.com  Sun Mar  5 13:43:41 2006
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 15:43:41 -0300
Subject: revolution engine for 2.7 and cgi deployment.
Message-ID: <485925FF-548A-4646-AF48-22392FCB852A@mac.com>

Hi there folks,

Since I moved on to Rev 2.7, I decided to move my cgi stack to the  
new stack format of 2.7. Before doing that, I tried to install the  
engine on my Apache installation on my MacOS X 10.4. The engine is  
playing dead!!!! A simple console hello world works in 2.6.1 and  
fails on 2.7, it's not like an error is triggered, the engine simply  
exits without any output or caring for the stack. I even tried a  
simple script that would wait for a key press to finish and the 2.7  
engine simply exits!!!!!

Is this the license issue explained in whats_new.txt? How am I  
supposed to deploy CGIs using 2.7? I need a license.rev there, if so,  
how, its a faceless server!! Can someone shed a clue?

thanks in advance

confused
andre


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Mar  5 14:14:54 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 13:14:54 -0600
Subject: revolution engine for 2.7 and cgi deployment.
In-Reply-To: <485925FF-548A-4646-AF48-22392FCB852A@mac.com>
References: <485925FF-548A-4646-AF48-22392FCB852A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <440B38AE.9090307@hyperactivesw.com>

Andre Garzia wrote:
> Hi there folks,
> 
> Since I moved on to Rev 2.7, I decided to move my cgi stack to the  new 
> stack format of 2.7. Before doing that, I tried to install the  engine 
> on my Apache installation on my MacOS X 10.4. The engine is  playing 
> dead!!!! 

I'm not sure how cgi will be handled in 2.7, but don't you need the 
Darwin engine to run on OS X anyway? We don't have a Darwin engine yet 
for 2.7.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From soapdog at mac.com  Sun Mar  5 14:27:40 2006
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 16:27:40 -0300
Subject: revolution engine for 2.7 and cgi deployment.
In-Reply-To: <440B38AE.9090307@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <485925FF-548A-4646-AF48-22392FCB852A@mac.com>
	<440B38AE.9090307@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <90358485-7EC5-417A-B9A4-70C7E980F9E4@mac.com>

Jacque,

for the 2.6 release, I just went inside the revolution.app bundle and  
picked the executable, it works fine as CGI (launch with -ui )

Cheers
andre

On Mar 5, 2006, at 4:14 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Andre Garzia wrote:
>> Hi there folks,
>> Since I moved on to Rev 2.7, I decided to move my cgi stack to  
>> the  new stack format of 2.7. Before doing that, I tried to  
>> install the  engine on my Apache installation on my MacOS X 10.4.  
>> The engine is  playing dead!!!!
>
> I'm not sure how cgi will be handled in 2.7, but don't you need the  
> Darwin engine to run on OS X anyway? We don't have a Darwin engine  
> yet for 2.7.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From revolution at derbrill.de  Sun Mar  5 15:31:07 2006
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 21:31:07 +0100
Subject: Trying to find Revolution Adventure Game template
In-Reply-To: <20060305051113.7B9A8825F8C@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <F9DF1C9A-AC86-11DA-92D5-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>

Hi Willem,

This mail is just a starter and doesn?t dive too much into technical 
details and I don?t want it to get too long.


Setting up an adventure game like the one you are after in Rev requires 
some thinking beforehand, that doesn?t deal too much with the 
development environment, or the scripting language, but mostly with 
artwork and game logic. You will need some catchy images of the 
locations you like to present. Once you have rendered your artwork in 
an image editor or 3d program you can start using Rev to glue it all 
together and add your game logic. It is a good idea to render the 
images as close to desired output resolution as possible, as you can 
save a lot of execution time if you don?t need to resize the images 
within Rev.

Each game location can be on a different card. You need to write a bit 
of scipt that allows the user to Navigate through your game and a 
method to store a map of your game. Coming up with a method for map 
storage will be one of the hardest parts in the creation and I am 
afraid there is no really good out of the box recipe for it. It could 
be done in a custom property or an array or simply by using a clever 
naming convention for your cards. The method you prefer is a matter of 
taste I think and all have advantages and disadvantages. Usually you 
might want to allow users using the mouse or arrowkeys to navigate 
through your game. (see mouseMove, mouseDown, mouseUp, mouseRelease, 
mouseLoc and arrowkey in the dictionary)  You can navigate between that 
locations fairly easy with not too much script (see go in the 
dictionary) if you are sure of the method to store your game map and 
retrieve he next location from it, depending on user action.

Once you have the Navigation set up you might want to add interactivity 
to your game. On each card you can place objects that work as hotSpot 
areas. If you click on one of these areas a script will be executed. 
For example  you can show a text message or start playing a Quicktime 
movie. Those areas could be almost any control you find in Rev. You 
might either have visible Hotspots, e.g. an image of a sword, or 
invisible objects. To make an invisible object respond to mouseClicks, 
I suggest setting it?s ink property to noop. Such an object can be 
layered on top of any area of your background image and if you choose 
to use a graphic it can be shaped irregulary. On the other hand if you 
use visible controls layered on top it is easier to move them around. I 
recommend doing a few test stacks to get warm with the language first. 
There is quite a lot stuff to read around. A very good place to start 
are the scripting conferences stacks found on Runrevs homepage.


[blow my own horn mode]

You might be interested in looking at a free little eBook I wrote, that 
deals with some of the basics of the language and an in dephs tutorial 
of ArcadeEngine that might interest you later, but weighting is almost 
50% for the basics  to 50% for ArcadeEngine.

you find links to it here:

http://www.derbrill.de/tutorials_e.html

[/blow my own horn mode]

Hope that helps,

malte


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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Mar  5 15:43:33 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 12:43:33 -0800
Subject: Trying to find Revolution Adventure Game template
In-Reply-To: <F9DF1C9A-AC86-11DA-92D5-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>
References: <F9DF1C9A-AC86-11DA-92D5-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <440B4D75.9050009@fourthworld.com>

Malte Brill wrote:
> Setting up an adventure game like the one you are after in Rev requires 
> some thinking beforehand, that doesn?t deal too much with the 
> development environment, or the scripting language, but mostly with 
> artwork and game logic.

Some of the goodies here may be of interest:

<http://tinselman.typepad.com/tinselman/2006/02/discarded.html>

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Sun Mar  5 15:53:21 2006
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 15:53:21 -0500
Subject: Trying to find Revolution Adventure Game template
In-Reply-To: <BFDA0CEA-BB8E-483E-9F39-2E0FCEA4EEDC@xs4all.nl>
References: <854646E1-0983-4EAB-BECD-4783A3145F05@xs4all.nl>	<440B0CFD.7060109@fourthworld.com>
	<3036A449-D08A-485D-B8FE-5D9FF3DCD6EA@xs4all.nl>
	<440B1194.3010706@fourthworld.com>
	<BFDA0CEA-BB8E-483E-9F39-2E0FCEA4EEDC@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <B146EFCB-29DD-4272-9B40-2DC1666F87C7@adelphia.net>

Willem,

You first have to know which type of games you want to build. If you  
are interested in Arcade type games or games with a lot of action  
then you 'must' get Arcadia Engine for use with Rev. If you are  
interested in other games there are a lot of examples in the various  
user web sites of some of the great users on this list and listed on  
the Rev website. I'm sure you could also wait for the release of  
Media and try that template out.

Tom

On Mar 5, 2006, at 11:33 AM, Willem van Heemstra wrote:

> Oops, so only with Revolution Media the templates are included.
>
> Are there examples of how to build an adventure game with  
> Revolution other than the aforementioned templates?
>
> I'd like to start of with the basics, haven't build games before...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Willem
>
> Op 5 Mar 2006, om 16:28 heeft Richard Gaskin het volgende geschreven:
>
>> Willem van Heemstra wrote:
>> >>> I have installed Revolution Media and I am trying to find  
>> Revolution
>> >>> Adventure Game template.
>> >>> Does anyone know where this template is and how to start  
>> building a
>> >>> game from it?
>> >>
>> >> The RunRev site says Revolution Media is not yet available.
>> >>
>> >> What exactly do you have?
>> >
>> > I've looked it up.. Revolution Enterprise for Mac OS X (Tiger).
>> >
>> > Would that help to answer my question?
>>
>> The templates are only available with Media:
>> <http://www.runrev.com/section/platform.php>
>>
>> According to that feature comparison if you pay much more for  
>> Studio or Enterprise you actually get less in terms of the templates.
>>
>> --
>>  Richard Gaskin
>>  Managing Editor, revJournal
>>  _______________________________________________________
>>  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com
>>
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From psahores at easynet.fr  Sun Mar  5 16:19:25 2006
From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 22:19:25 +0100
Subject: revolution engine for 2.7 and cgi deployment.
In-Reply-To: <485925FF-548A-4646-AF48-22392FCB852A@mac.com>
References: <485925FF-548A-4646-AF48-22392FCB852A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C8534375-4D69-4DD8-B0DA-561B75B73FD7@easynet.fr>

Hi Andre,

I don't know if this can realy help in your precise case but Rev 2.7  
entreprise is well running there in launching my web applications  
servers stacks as expected. Have an eye at my DSL home server   
<http://istream.homeunix.com/insead/index_en.html> to see if you can  
find some usables infos (downloadable example app avaiaible at the  
top right corner of the first page).

Best Regards,

Le 5 mars 06 ? 19:43, Andre Garzia a ?crit :

> Hi there folks,
>
> Since I moved on to Rev 2.7, I decided to move my cgi stack to the  
> new stack format of 2.7. Before doing that, I tried to install the  
> engine on my Apache installation on my MacOS X 10.4. The engine is  
> playing dead!!!! A simple console hello world works in 2.6.1 and  
> fails on 2.7, it's not like an error is triggered, the engine  
> simply exits without any output or caring for the stack. I even  
> tried a simple script that would wait for a key press to finish and  
> the 2.7 engine simply exits!!!!!
>
> Is this the license issue explained in whats_new.txt? How am I  
> supposed to deploy CGIs using 2.7? I need a license.rev there, if  
> so, how, its a faceless server!! Can someone shed a clue?
>
> thanks in advance
>
> confused
> andre
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From christian.langers at education.lu  Sun Mar  5 16:25:50 2006
From: christian.langers at education.lu (Christian Langers)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 22:25:50 +0100
Subject: spit out on change
Message-ID: <323EA8FE-63EE-4720-8234-0CD591509B5F@education.lu>

Hello all,

I have a project where the standalone spits all important components  
(here images) out to the disk every time it starts up.

Now I wanted to speed up the startup of my app. So I think that the  
important components will only be spitted out at the first run.

The problem is that I want the app to be safe (I do not want that an  
important and necessary component will be inadvertently deleted or  
changed), as children and non computer geeks will work with it. So,  
for the moment the app spits out the components at startup and  
deletes them when quitting.

But I want to change this procedure : the app should only spit out  
components if there had been changes in the component folders...

What methods should I use : checking timestamp of the folders on  
disk ?(how does one do that ?) Checking the number of files in  
folders ? ...

If anyone had an idea about this, I would be thankful to read about  
it ;-)


Thanks,

Christian
from Luxembourg


From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Sun Mar  5 17:38:45 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 14:38:45 -0800
Subject: Regular Expression Pattern Collection
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603051438k6145826bwf6821b1292eda1ae@mail.gmail.com>

Just stumbled across this site and thought I'd share it. It has over 1,000
regular expression strings for matching a whole slew of common things you
need these ugly beasties to do for you.

http://regexlib.com/

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author
http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
>From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  5 17:59:33 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 14:59:33 -0800
Subject: Regular Expression Pattern Collection
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603051438k6145826bwf6821b1292eda1ae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C030AD55.35AB0%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>


On 3/5/06 2:38 PM, "Dan Shafer" <revolutionary.dan at gmail.com> wrote:

> Just stumbled across this site and thought I'd share it. It has over 1,000
> regular expression strings for matching a whole slew of common things you
> need these ugly beasties to do for you.
> 
> http://regexlib.com/
> 

Great site!
Thanks Dan.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  5 18:28:35 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 15:28:35 -0800
Subject: FW: Way to do RegEx substring replacements? Solution (looks good)
In-Reply-To: <C030AC95.35AAF%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C030B423.35AB5%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Done off list, but I thought this might be helpful to someone out there.
Jim Ault

------ Forwarded Message
From: Jim Ault <JimAultWins at yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 14:56:21 -0800
To: Jim Witte <jswitte at bloomington.in.us>
Conversation: Way to do RegEx substring replacements?
Subject: Re: Way to do RegEx substring replacements?

On 3/5/06 1:06 PM, "Jim Witte" <jswitte at bloomington.in.us> wrote:

> 
> The blocks that I have are lines of assembly in the form of
> 0025FE2F mov r1, [r2, lsl #2]   | FE32FDB - ..D.
> 
> I want to get rid of everything after the last bit of the assembly
> code, and isolate the address of the line.  In TextWrangler, I could
> use a RegEx/replace similar to the I listed above to get rid of the
> 'end part' after the '|' character, and then use a search for \s*\r
> and replace with \r to get rid of the trailing spaces.  I've got
> everything working now in RunRev, except getting rid of the trailing
> spaces, while I'll do in TextWrangler.
Hey, Jim (nice name)

Test my solution quickly by doing two things:

Make a new mainstack, then set the script to the following => dbl click

----- start copy -------------------------
on mouseDoubleUp
  put "0025FE2F mov r1, [r2, lsl #2]            | FE32FDB - ..D" into tempp
  put the ticks into startt
  put 5000 into lineCnt
  repeat lineCnt
    put tempp & cr after block
  end repeat
  put the ticks - startt into elapsed
  answer "Done building " &lineCnt & " lines  " && elapsed && "ticks"
  
  put the ticks into startt
  
  get replaceText( block,"\|","MMMM")
  get replaceText(it,"].*MMMM .*","]")
  put the ticks - startt into elapsed

  put it -- result is in the msg box

  answer "Done replace 2x in " &lineCnt & " lines  " && elapsed && "ticks"

--my answer = 44 ticks
end mouseDoubleUp

-------- end copy -----------------

My result on a Mac G5 dual 2.0 was 0 ticks to create 5000 lines, and 44
ticks to do the replaceText.

All I was able to figure out is that something about the line of text
confuses the RegEx routine so that selection of the correct text is
thwarted.  The double replace

Hope this works for you.
Of course, you could use anything in place of the "MMMM" string to remain
unique.  It is just a place holder.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

------ End of Forwarded Message




From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun Mar  5 18:35:07 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 17:35:07 -0600
Subject: Regular Expression Pattern Collection
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603051438k6145826bwf6821b1292eda1ae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C030D1CC.37045%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/5/06 4:38 PM, "Dan Shafer" <revolutionary.dan at gmail.com> wrote:

> Just stumbled across this site and thought I'd share it. It has over 1,000
> regular expression strings for matching a whole slew of common things you
> need these ugly beasties to do for you.
> 
> http://regexlib.com/

Great site! I'd also recomment:

  http://www.regular-expressions.info/

Which has a very deep tutorial on RegEx and how to build patterns correctly.
It's a must read, IMHO!

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From WvanHeemstra at xs4all.nl  Sun Mar  5 19:24:44 2006
From: WvanHeemstra at xs4all.nl (Willem van Heemstra)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 00:24:44 +0000
Subject: Trying to find Revolution Adventure Game template
In-Reply-To: <440B4D75.9050009@fourthworld.com>
References: <F9DF1C9A-AC86-11DA-92D5-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>
	<440B4D75.9050009@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <F20A8C35-E5AC-43D8-8378-27AEF4FC8F91@xs4all.nl>

Thanks Richard,

I will read the Myst proposal [see underneath link] to get a feel as  
to how to make my game developers enthusiastic about my ideas!

http://tinselman.typepad.com/tinselman/2005/06/myst_game_desig.html

Thanks a lot for pointing me to this site!

Willem

Op 5 Mar 2006, om 20:43 heeft Richard Gaskin het volgende geschreven:

> Malte Brill wrote:
>> Setting up an adventure game like the one you are after in Rev  
>> requires some thinking beforehand, that doesn?t deal too much with  
>> the development environment, or the scripting language, but mostly  
>> with artwork and game logic.
>
> Some of the goodies here may be of interest:
>
> <http://tinselman.typepad.com/tinselman/2006/02/discarded.html>
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation
>  ___________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
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From WvanHeemstra at xs4all.nl  Sun Mar  5 19:27:09 2006
From: WvanHeemstra at xs4all.nl (Willem van Heemstra)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 00:27:09 +0000
Subject: Trying to find Revolution Adventure Game template
In-Reply-To: <B146EFCB-29DD-4272-9B40-2DC1666F87C7@adelphia.net>
References: <854646E1-0983-4EAB-BECD-4783A3145F05@xs4all.nl>	<440B0CFD.7060109@fourthworld.com>
	<3036A449-D08A-485D-B8FE-5D9FF3DCD6EA@xs4all.nl>
	<440B1194.3010706@fourthworld.com>
	<BFDA0CEA-BB8E-483E-9F39-2E0FCEA4EEDC@xs4all.nl>
	<B146EFCB-29DD-4272-9B40-2DC1666F87C7@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <59FF69E7-5ADD-46CA-A094-9270DFC0F9A8@xs4all.nl>

Thank you Tom,

Do you know how the template is going to cover all different kinds of  
games?
I have decided on an adventure game, which is mostly about solving  
problems and moving ahead.

Cheers,

Willem

P.S. See my recent reply to Judy for full coverage of my game plan.

Op 5 Mar 2006, om 20:53 heeft Thomas McGrath III het volgende  
geschreven:

> Willem,
>
> You first have to know which type of games you want to build. If  
> you are interested in Arcade type games or games with a lot of  
> action then you 'must' get Arcadia Engine for use with Rev. If you  
> are interested in other games there are a lot of examples in the  
> various user web sites of some of the great users on this list and  
> listed on the Rev website. I'm sure you could also wait for the  
> release of Media and try that template out.
>
> Tom
>
> On Mar 5, 2006, at 11:33 AM, Willem van Heemstra wrote:
>
>> Oops, so only with Revolution Media the templates are included.
>>
>> Are there examples of how to build an adventure game with  
>> Revolution other than the aforementioned templates?
>>
>> I'd like to start of with the basics, haven't build games before...
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Willem
>>
>> Op 5 Mar 2006, om 16:28 heeft Richard Gaskin het volgende geschreven:
>>
>>> Willem van Heemstra wrote:
>>> >>> I have installed Revolution Media and I am trying to find  
>>> Revolution
>>> >>> Adventure Game template.
>>> >>> Does anyone know where this template is and how to start  
>>> building a
>>> >>> game from it?
>>> >>
>>> >> The RunRev site says Revolution Media is not yet available.
>>> >>
>>> >> What exactly do you have?
>>> >
>>> > I've looked it up.. Revolution Enterprise for Mac OS X (Tiger).
>>> >
>>> > Would that help to answer my question?
>>>
>>> The templates are only available with Media:
>>> <http://www.runrev.com/section/platform.php>
>>>
>>> According to that feature comparison if you pay much more for  
>>> Studio or Enterprise you actually get less in terms of the  
>>> templates.
>>>
>>> --
>>>  Richard Gaskin
>>>  Managing Editor, revJournal
>>>  _______________________________________________________
>>>  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com
>>>
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From WvanHeemstra at xs4all.nl  Sun Mar  5 19:34:19 2006
From: WvanHeemstra at xs4all.nl (Willem van Heemstra)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 00:34:19 +0000
Subject: Fwd: Trying to find Revolution Adventure Game template
References: <7A8E98DA-B862-4047-8524-4358E21A36A1@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <ED870DE6-771C-4B66-8E14-EAB7034FBDE8@xs4all.nl>

>> OK Judy,
>>
>> Here we go...  are you ready?
>>
>> The game is called 'Appearance' and its goal is to find clothes  
>> that make you, as a player, the most appealing/fashionable/ 
>> handsome/you name it.
>> So YOU are the player, you tell the game what are the colors of  
>> your eyes, hair and skin. Taken these pieces of information  
>> together the game will do a color analysis and find colors that  
>> would suit you best. For example, I have brown hair and a light  
>> skin + blue eyes. Color analysis says I shouldn't wear orange,  
>> because that will make me look pale...
>>
>> Get the idea?
>>
>> So in the game YOU are helped by a 'tailor' who will help you  
>> select the right (color of) clothes.
>>
>> But to answer your question the very first window of the game will  
>> show 2 doors; one for girls to enter the other one for boys to enter.
>> Each door leads to a (girl/boy) room, accompanied by (girl/boy)  
>> things like music, posters and a wardrobe. Also a mirror in which  
>> YOU can build up the 'figure' that matches YOU figure, such as  
>> tall, short, wide hips, long arms etc. All these facts are taken  
>> into account as to determine the clothes that would make YOU look  
>> the most handsome. A tall woman for example shouldn't wear long  
>> dresses of which the top is equal in color and texture as the  
>> robe; because it will over exaggerate her length.
>>
>> Each object in the room discloses aspects of 'clothing  
>> guidelines', and after having gone through all of them, YOU are  
>> walking the catwalk and be assessed by a jury (a funny one of  
>> course). They (that is, the game) will give points, the more  
>> handsome, the more points. Finally, YOU can make a print out of  
>> all the clothing advice that addresses YOU and use it when going  
>> out to shop for YOUR clothes. That is the benefit to the player,  
>> ultimately, besides having lots of fun.
>>
>> Quite a long story... see enclosed pictures [AWAITING APPROVAL BY  
>> MODERATOR] to give you a clue as to what it might look like...
>>
>> Thank Judy, for thinking along the lines with me!
>>
>> Willem
>>
>>
>> Op 5 Mar 2006, om 18:13 heeft Judy Perry het volgende geschreven:
>>
>>> Willem,
>>>
>>> Can you explain a sample  one or two scene scenario, complete  
>>> with options
>>> (what they user can do, what you would like to happen as a  
>>> result, etc.)?
>>>
>>> I'll try to throw together a little Rev stack for you based upon  
>>> that (if
>>> I can!) and we can dialogue further!
>>>
>>> Judy
>>>
>>> On Sun, 5 Mar 2006, Willem van Heemstra wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Judy,
>>>>
>>>> But I cannot seem to find HOW they have used Revolution.
>>>> As in, what steps to take to build scenes and actions, you see..
>>>>
>>>> That's the kind of information I am looking for.
>>>>
>>>> Still, very much appreciated!
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Willem
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Op 5 Mar 2006, om 17:58 heeft Judy Perry het volgende geschreven:
>>>>
>>>>> Willem,
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you mean Myst-like games?  If so, you're in the right place!
>>>>> Recently,
>>>>> a Myst-esque game was made in Rev called "Alida":
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.alidagame.com/aboutAlida.html
>>>>>
>>>>> And Myst, of course, was done in Hypercard (with some xtra xcmd  
>>>>> help).
>>>>>
>>>>> Judy
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 5 Mar 2006, Willem van Heemstra wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>>>
>>>>
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From simplsol at aol.com  Sun Mar  5 19:44:47 2006
From: simplsol at aol.com (simplsol at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 19:44:47 -0500
Subject: Regular Expression Pattern Collection
In-Reply-To: <C030D1CC.37045%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <8C80ECE4DC4C8F8-148-16E72@mblk-r43.sysops.aol.com>

Ken,
Indeed an excellent site. A "must visit" for non-pros, as well. 
Propably a "multiple must visit".
Paul Looney

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Ray <kray at sonsothunder.com>
To: Use Revolution List <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 17:35:07 -0600
Subject: Re: Regular Expression Pattern Collection

   On 3/5/06 4:38 PM, "Dan Shafer" <revolutionary.dan at gmail.com> wrote:

> Just stumbled across this site and thought I'd share it. It has over 
1,000
> regular expression strings for matching a whole slew of common things 
you
> need these ugly beasties to do for you.
>
> http://regexlib.com/

Great site! I'd also recomment:

  http://www.regular-expressions.info/

Which has a very deep tutorial on RegEx and how to build patterns 
correctly.
It's a must read, IMHO!

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com

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From bridgeyman at gmail.com  Sun Mar  5 19:53:22 2006
From: bridgeyman at gmail.com (Bridger Maxwell)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 17:53:22 -0700
Subject: Locking Messages
In-Reply-To: <40D628A1-AC6C-11DA-BBA2-0030657E1638@pon.net>
References: <86ae76bb0603032108k2781f65bq9ce75fc5eae55a6e@mail.gmail.com>
	<57B2D9BC-AB99-11DA-BB8D-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<86ae76bb0603040957k2fcb93e0sff9c2c1bd50bc2c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<40D628A1-AC6C-11DA-BBA2-0030657E1638@pon.net>
Message-ID: <86ae76bb0603051653m1dab9143r628a3d19665fac0c@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, I think that might work.  I need to try it out.  The reason I can't
know what is triggering the problem is because my stack is made to work with
any card, and every time I use it I am sending a different card with
different handlers in it accross the network.  Most of the errors are from
the openCard, preOpenCard and such, but because I am working with a lot of
different cards from any stack a mouseover handler might be in there, or
maybe an idle.  My stack has to be able to deal with anything.

On 3/5/06, Rob Cozens <rcozens at pon.net> wrote:
>
>
> Bridger,
>
> > The thing is a
> > card may have a handler in it that is triggered, that refers to an
> > object on
> > another card.  Because it has been seperated from the rest of the
> > stack, it
> > can't find that object and it causes errors.  Once it is inserted into
> > the
> > new stack it should stop causing errors, but until then I need to lock
> > the
> > messages to the stack holding the card so it doesn't trigger anything.
> >  I
> > can't really predict what handlers will be triggered, or what the
> > errors are
> > going to be so I can't just intercept them beforehand.  Any ideas
>
> 1. Isn't it possible to isolate the line in Stack 1's handler where
> this occurs and lock/unlock messages before/after that line?
>
> Eg:
>
> on createStackForNetwork stack3CardId
>     ....
>     ....
>     lock messages
>     copy card id stack3CardId of stack "Stack 3" to stack "Stack 2"
>     unlock messages
>     ...
>     ...
> end createStackForNetwork
>
> 2.  I'm still having trouble understanding why you can't predict when
> and what will happen if Stacks 1, 2, & 3 are your creations.   Only a
> limited number of messages might trigger Stack 3 card handlers when the
> card is copied to Stack 2: newCard, preOpenCard, openCard, and
> closeCard.   If you step through the handler in the debugger with the
> Message Watcher open, you should be able to determine the line(s) that
> trigger the problem.
>
> Rob Cozens
> CCW, Serendipity Software Company
>
> "And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
> Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."
>
> from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)
>
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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Sun Mar  5 20:22:52 2006
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 20:22:52 -0500
Subject: Trying to find Revolution Adventure Game template
In-Reply-To: <59FF69E7-5ADD-46CA-A094-9270DFC0F9A8@xs4all.nl>
References: <854646E1-0983-4EAB-BECD-4783A3145F05@xs4all.nl>	<440B0CFD.7060109@fourthworld.com>
	<3036A449-D08A-485D-B8FE-5D9FF3DCD6EA@xs4all.nl>
	<440B1194.3010706@fourthworld.com>
	<BFDA0CEA-BB8E-483E-9F39-2E0FCEA4EEDC@xs4all.nl>
	<B146EFCB-29DD-4272-9B40-2DC1666F87C7@adelphia.net>
	<59FF69E7-5ADD-46CA-A094-9270DFC0F9A8@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <0B5656F0-84DA-4B45-9020-069F5A775A4F@adelphia.net>

I think you might be on the right track with an adventure game.

tom

On Mar 5, 2006, at 7:27 PM, Willem van Heemstra wrote:

> Thank you Tom,
>
> Do you know how the template is going to cover all different kinds  
> of games?
> I have decided on an adventure game, which is mostly about solving  
> problems and moving ahead.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Willem
>
> P.S. See my recent reply to Judy for full coverage of my game plan.
>
> Op 5 Mar 2006, om 20:53 heeft Thomas McGrath III het volgende  
> geschreven:
>
>> Willem,
>>
>> You first have to know which type of games you want to build. If  
>> you are interested in Arcade type games or games with a lot of  
>> action then you 'must' get Arcadia Engine for use with Rev. If you  
>> are interested in other games there are a lot of examples in the  
>> various user web sites of some of the great users on this list and  
>> listed on the Rev website. I'm sure you could also wait for the  
>> release of Media and try that template out.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> On Mar 5, 2006, at 11:33 AM, Willem van Heemstra wrote:
>>
>>> Oops, so only with Revolution Media the templates are included.
>>>
>>> Are there examples of how to build an adventure game with  
>>> Revolution other than the aforementioned templates?
>>>
>>> I'd like to start of with the basics, haven't build games before...
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Willem
>>>
>>> Op 5 Mar 2006, om 16:28 heeft Richard Gaskin het volgende  
>>> geschreven:
>>>
>>>> Willem van Heemstra wrote:
>>>> >>> I have installed Revolution Media and I am trying to find  
>>>> Revolution
>>>> >>> Adventure Game template.
>>>> >>> Does anyone know where this template is and how to start  
>>>> building a
>>>> >>> game from it?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The RunRev site says Revolution Media is not yet available.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> What exactly do you have?
>>>> >
>>>> > I've looked it up.. Revolution Enterprise for Mac OS X (Tiger).
>>>> >
>>>> > Would that help to answer my question?
>>>>
>>>> The templates are only available with Media:
>>>> <http://www.runrev.com/section/platform.php>
>>>>
>>>> According to that feature comparison if you pay much more for  
>>>> Studio or Enterprise you actually get less in terms of the  
>>>> templates.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>  Richard Gaskin
>>>>  Managing Editor, revJournal
>>>>  _______________________________________________________
>>>>  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com
>>>>
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>> Thomas J McGrath III
>> 3mcgrath at adelphia.net
>>
>> Lazy River Software? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com
>>
>> Lazy River Metal Art? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/metal.html
>>
>> Meeting Wear? - http://www.cafepress.com/meetingwear
>>
>> Semantic Compaction Systems - http://www.minspeak.com
>>
>> SCIconics, LLC - http://www.sciconics.com/sciindex.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Lazy River Metal Art? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/metal.html

Meeting Wear? - http://www.cafepress.com/meetingwear

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SCIconics, LLC - http://www.sciconics.com/sciindex.html









From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Sun Mar  5 20:23:31 2006
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 17:23:31 -0800
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603050952300.19515-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603050952300.19515-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <p06110401c03136d81aef@[69.226.110.92]>

--snip about 50 messages--

I shoulda asked a simpler question!

I read this whole thread the best I could. Maybe I overlooked it, but 
I still don't know the answer to my main question, which should have 
been:

I have a bunch of stacks that began in Hypercard, then got modified 
and extended in Dreamcard. They don't use every command and function 
in the catalog, but they are fairly complex. When Dreamcard is no 
more, what will I have to buy so that I can continue entering and 
changing data, and modifying and extending the stacks?

It looks like the answer is Studio, but I'm not sure.

I hope someone will clarify that.

If the answer is "Studio," then an editorial follows. Otherwise, 
ignore subsequent lines.

If I have to buy Studio, I will buy it. I have no choice, really. If 
so, the cost is annoyingly high, but not the main problem. The main 
problem is that I will be driving a V-12 Jaguar down the block to the 
convenience store. This couldn't be a good thing for me, or users 
like me.

I can't spend the rest of my life chasing ever new and more complex 
technology, just so I can run a fairly simple sole-proprietor 
business. I can't anxiously scan a list like this every day for the 
rest of my life, just to keep up with the technology, so I can 
continue running simple stacks.

But I can't allow my stacks to become obsolete, either. Starting over 
with paper and pencil, or hand-entering all my data into some shabby 
one-size-fits-all commercial product is not very attractive. That's 
why I switched from hyperCard to Dreamcard.

What ever happened to "a computer as easy to use as a toaster" ?  :-( 
Sad to say, I kinda thought Dreamcard would be resurrecting that 
quaint idea.

I guess I might be a compared to a guy who built his first few 
automobiles by hand in his spare time, out in the barn. At some 
point, that just isn't feasible anymore, unless it becomes a 
profession, or full-time hobby, or you become an old coot with 
nothing better to do.


Tim


From kee at kagi.com  Sun Mar  5 22:19:47 2006
From: kee at kagi.com (kee nethery)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 19:19:47 -0800
Subject: revolution engine for 2.7 and cgi deployment.
In-Reply-To: <485925FF-548A-4646-AF48-22392FCB852A@mac.com>
References: <485925FF-548A-4646-AF48-22392FCB852A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <E58F59C8-06AF-47B9-9F1E-BD33A5CD342B@kagi.com>

does this mean the RunRev KRM is out for testing?
Kee


From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Sun Mar  5 22:27:02 2006
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 22:27:02 -0500
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <p06110401c03136d81aef@[69.226.110.92]>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603050952300.19515-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<p06110401c03136d81aef@[69.226.110.92]>
Message-ID: <9DC5E784-E242-4435-90E4-E5BEAFCF4746@adelphia.net>

Tim,

If you just want to maintain your existing stacks why not just keep  
using the version of Dreamcard that you have? Why upgrade at all? If  
you're looking to keep upgrading to newer and better technology,  
features and bug fixes than just upgrade to Studio? The price is not  
really that high. To use your analogy it would not cost more than a  
good set of wrenches or even new tires.

Tom

On Mar 5, 2006, at 8:23 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:

> --snip about 50 messages--
>
> I shoulda asked a simpler question!
>
> I read this whole thread the best I could. Maybe I overlooked it,  
> but I still don't know the answer to my main question, which should  
> have been:
>
> I have a bunch of stacks that began in Hypercard, then got modified  
> and extended in Dreamcard. They don't use every command and  
> function in the catalog, but they are fairly complex. When  
> Dreamcard is no more, what will I have to buy so that I can  
> continue entering and changing data, and modifying and extending  
> the stacks?
>
> It looks like the answer is Studio, but I'm not sure.
>
> I hope someone will clarify that.
>
> If the answer is "Studio," then an editorial follows. Otherwise,  
> ignore subsequent lines.
>
> If I have to buy Studio, I will buy it. I have no choice, really.  
> If so, the cost is annoyingly high, but not the main problem. The  
> main problem is that I will be driving a V-12 Jaguar down the block  
> to the convenience store. This couldn't be a good thing for me, or  
> users like me.
>
> I can't spend the rest of my life chasing ever new and more complex  
> technology, just so I can run a fairly simple sole-proprietor  
> business. I can't anxiously scan a list like this every day for the  
> rest of my life, just to keep up with the technology, so I can  
> continue running simple stacks.
>
> But I can't allow my stacks to become obsolete, either. Starting  
> over with paper and pencil, or hand-entering all my data into some  
> shabby one-size-fits-all commercial product is not very attractive.  
> That's why I switched from hyperCard to Dreamcard.
>
> What ever happened to "a computer as easy to use as a toaster" ?  :- 
> ( Sad to say, I kinda thought Dreamcard would be resurrecting that  
> quaint idea.
>
> I guess I might be a compared to a guy who built his first few  
> automobiles by hand in his spare time, out in the barn. At some  
> point, that just isn't feasible anymore, unless it becomes a  
> profession, or full-time hobby, or you become an old coot with  
> nothing better to do.
>
>
> Tim
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Lazy River Metal Art? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/metal.html

Meeting Wear? - http://www.cafepress.com/meetingwear

Semantic Compaction Systems - http://www.minspeak.com

SCIconics, LLC - http://www.sciconics.com/sciindex.html









From darkshadow1 at metrocast.net  Sun Mar  5 23:29:23 2006
From: darkshadow1 at metrocast.net (Preston Shea)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 23:29:23 -0500
Subject: formatted width
Message-ID: <002201c640d6$8d091700$6501a8c0@new0eeca32bb97>

Is there a trick to using the formatted width property? On longer text fields this command doesn't seem to work the way I want, cutting the text into two lines. Must be something I'm doing, but I can't figure out what.

From martinblackman at gmail.com  Sun Mar  5 23:46:46 2006
From: martinblackman at gmail.com (Martin Blackman)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 12:46:46 +0800
Subject: formatted width
In-Reply-To: <002201c640d6$8d091700$6501a8c0@new0eeca32bb97>
References: <002201c640d6$8d091700$6501a8c0@new0eeca32bb97>
Message-ID: <79d1bee70603052046p7d26a6eep@mail.gmail.com>

Is the card with the field of interest at toplevel when you're getting
the formattedwidth?

On 06/03/06, Preston Shea <darkshadow1 at metrocast.net> wrote:
> Is there a trick to using the formatted width property? On longer text fields this command doesn't seem to work the way I want, cutting the text into two lines. Must be something I'm doing, but I can't figure out what.
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From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Mon Mar  6 00:00:18 2006
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 16:00:18 +1100
Subject: Storing preferences data on Windows PCs
In-Reply-To: <20060201091715.84D69825009@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060201091715.84D69825009@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <b35628d9727f6b14eeb5ac34c1197732@unimelb.edu.au>

I've got the Mac side of things covered but where do people usually 
store user preferences on Window's PCs?

Is (from the Microsoft Library)...

CSIDL_APPDATA?(0x001a)
Version 4.71. The file system directory that serves as a common 
repository for application-specific data. A typical path is 
C:\Documents and Settings\username\Application Data.

...the most appropriate location or are there better spots?

TIA,

Terry...

Dr Terry Judd
Lecturer in Educational Technology (Design)
Biomedical Multimedia Unit
Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences
The University of Melbourne
Parkville VIC 3052
AUSTRALIA



From rishi at puredata.com.au  Mon Mar  6 00:04:41 2006
From: rishi at puredata.com.au (Rishi Viner)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 16:04:41 +1100
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <p06110401c03136d81aef@[69.226.110.92]>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603050952300.19515-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<p06110401c03136d81aef@[69.226.110.92]>
Message-ID: <200603061604.42066.rishi@puredata.com.au>

Hi Timothy,

> I have a bunch of stacks that began in Hypercard, then got modified
> and extended in Dreamcard. They don't use every command and function
> in the catalog, but they are fairly complex. When Dreamcard is no
> more, what will I have to buy so that I can continue entering and
> changing data, and modifying and extending the stacks?
>
> It looks like the answer is Studio, but I'm not sure.

I'm in the same boat too. I could use Media, except for the lack of database 
support... If you need database support, you had better go Studio.

> If the answer is "Studio," then an editorial follows. Otherwise,
> ignore subsequent lines.
>
> If I have to buy Studio, I will buy it. I have no choice, really. If
> so, the cost is annoyingly high, but not the main problem. The main
> problem is that I will be driving a V-12 Jaguar down the block to the
> convenience store. This couldn't be a good thing for me, or users
> like me.

Here here! I'm in Australia and 199UK Pounds is a LOT of money for me and my 
small business. Especially when you consider Dreamcard met my needs 
perfectly. I don't doubt that Studio is worth 199UK. I'm just complaining 
that I need to buy Studio when Dreamcard is doing me just fine!

> I can't spend the rest of my life chasing ever new and more complex
> technology, just so I can run a fairly simple sole-proprietor
> business. I can't anxiously scan a list like this every day for the
> rest of my life, just to keep up with the technology, so I can
> continue running simple stacks.
>
> But I can't allow my stacks to become obsolete, either. Starting over
> with paper and pencil, or hand-entering all my data into some shabby
> one-size-fits-all commercial product is not very attractive. That's
> why I switched from hyperCard to Dreamcard.

Yep. We must be the demographic that just got overlooked. 


-- 
Rishi Viner
--------------
Australia


From scott at proherp.com  Mon Mar  6 00:34:01 2006
From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 16:34:01 +1100
Subject: Field Building Tool
Message-ID: <002601c640df$950fe790$0201010a@royalnexus>

Hi folks,

I downloaded, a while back, a really cool tool (stack)
that allowed you to name and then create the fields on
a card.  I've misplaced this little gem and wondered if
anybody could point me in the right direction for it -
I can't recall what it was called.

TIA

Scott

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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Mar  6 00:36:36 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 15:36:36 +1000
Subject: formatted width
In-Reply-To: <002201c640d6$8d091700$6501a8c0@new0eeca32bb97>
References: <002201c640d6$8d091700$6501a8c0@new0eeca32bb97>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603052136of9bbe8fwb7f3b918bc9cbe4c@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/6/06, Preston Shea <darkshadow1 at metrocast.net> wrote:
> Is there a trick to using the formatted width property? On longer text fields this command doesn't seem to work the way I want, cutting the text into two lines. Must be something I'm doing, but I can't figure out what.


I think you must have dontWrap set to true for the field, otherwise it
doesn't give meaningful answers.

HTH,
Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Mar  6 00:39:09 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 15:39:09 +1000
Subject: Storing preferences data on Windows PCs
In-Reply-To: <b35628d9727f6b14eeb5ac34c1197732@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <20060201091715.84D69825009@mail.runrev.com>
	<b35628d9727f6b14eeb5ac34c1197732@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603052139v4689ecefg59dc2401bcf52377@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/6/06, Terry Judd <tsj at unimelb.edu.au> wrote:
> I've got the Mac side of things covered but where do people usually
> store user preferences on Window's PCs?
>
> Is (from the Microsoft Library)...
>
> CSIDL_APPDATA(0x001a)
> Version 4.71. The file system directory that serves as a common
> repository for application-specific data. A typical path is
> C:\Documents and Settings\username\Application Data.
>

You can get it using: specialFolderPath(26)

This gives you the Application Data folder for the current user (I
think). Don't use specialFolderPath("Preferences") because on Windows,
this just gives you the root directory.

Cheers,
Sarah


From soapdog at mac.com  Mon Mar  6 00:40:53 2006
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 02:40:53 -0300
Subject: revolution engine for 2.7 and cgi deployment.
In-Reply-To: <E58F59C8-06AF-47B9-9F1E-BD33A5CD342B@kagi.com>
References: <485925FF-548A-4646-AF48-22392FCB852A@mac.com>
	<E58F59C8-06AF-47B9-9F1E-BD33A5CD342B@kagi.com>
Message-ID: <827645F1-3DC6-4AB6-887E-C19D0D168222@mac.com>

Kee,

I am more than 8 hours fixing the krm for testing. I have a little  
krm server cgi here that I sometimes use for testing for I don't want  
to clog the real krm server with bogus data. I tried debugging my cgi  
stacks in 2.7 and they stopped working...

I am stopping for today. I'll send you an alpha tomorrow... it's not  
optmized for speed though.

thanks for waiting

cheers
andre


On Mar 6, 2006, at 12:19 AM, kee nethery wrote:

> does this mean the RunRev KRM is out for testing?
> Kee
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From soapdog at mac.com  Mon Mar  6 00:43:12 2006
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 02:43:12 -0300
Subject: revolution engine for 2.7 and cgi deployment.
In-Reply-To: <827645F1-3DC6-4AB6-887E-C19D0D168222@mac.com>
References: <485925FF-548A-4646-AF48-22392FCB852A@mac.com>
	<E58F59C8-06AF-47B9-9F1E-BD33A5CD342B@kagi.com>
	<827645F1-3DC6-4AB6-887E-C19D0D168222@mac.com>
Message-ID: <394959A7-E957-43D2-940D-292FB4B5B59A@mac.com>

Sorry list, this was meant for Kee eyes only... I am just too  
tired... sorry for the inconvenience.



On Mar 6, 2006, at 2:40 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Kee,
>
> I am more than 8 hours fixing the krm for testing. I have a little  
> krm server cgi here that I sometimes use for testing for I don't  
> want to clog the real krm server with bogus data. I tried debugging  
> my cgi stacks in 2.7 and they stopped working...
>
> I am stopping for today. I'll send you an alpha tomorrow... it's  
> not optmized for speed though.
>
> thanks for waiting
>
> cheers
> andre
>
>
> On Mar 6, 2006, at 12:19 AM, kee nethery wrote:
>
>> does this mean the RunRev KRM is out for testing?
>> Kee
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From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Mon Mar  6 00:43:36 2006
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 21:43:36 -0800
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <9DC5E784-E242-4435-90E4-E5BEAFCF4746@adelphia.net>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603050952300.19515-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<p06110401c03136d81aef@[69.226.110.92]>
	<9DC5E784-E242-4435-90E4-E5BEAFCF4746@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <p06110401c0317977c25b@[69.226.110.92]>

At 10:27 PM -0500 3/5/06, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>Tim,
>
>If you just want to maintain your existing stacks why not just keep 
>using the version of Dreamcard that you have? Why upgrade at all? If 
>you're looking to keep upgrading to newer and better technology, 
>features and bug fixes than just upgrade to Studio? The price is not 
>really that high. To use your analogy it would not cost more than a 
>good set of wrenches or even new tires.
>
>Tom

Hi Tom,

I appreciate your concern. In the short run, that strategy would 
work, of course. I tried to keep going with hyperCard for as long as 
possible. 18 months ago, or so, it became apparent that OS 9 was 
becoming obsolete, and now classic mode is obsolete as well. Some 
die-hards buy old machines so they can keep using hypercard 
indefinitely. I considered that, but decided against it.

If hypercard would run on OS X, and I could expect it to be 
compatible with future hardware and operating systems, I'd still be 
using it, very happily.

In the long run, one's hardware, operating system and software 
eventually become obsolete. The longer you put off the upgrades, the 
more painful and expensive the transition when the upgrades can no 
longer be postponed.

OS 9 --> OS 10.3, and hyperCard --> Dreamcard was a difficult and 
expensive jump for me. Dreamcard was a bargain, but I had to upgrade 
a lot of other stuff. The time I had to spend on the transition to 
Dreamcard was expensive. Nine to Five Reports stopped working, and I 
couldn't fix it. It was obsolete, too. That was a serious nightmare.

It seems easier to upgrade incrementally as I go along.

This is not a catastrophe. It does stimulate me to rethink the 
details my relationship with the computer world. I guess things had 
to change eventually.

Cheers,


Tim


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Mar  6 00:49:11 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 21:49:11 -0800
Subject: Field Building Tool
In-Reply-To: <002601c640df$950fe790$0201010a@royalnexus>
References: <002601c640df$950fe790$0201010a@royalnexus>
Message-ID: <440BCD57.3030303@fourthworld.com>

Scott Kane wrote:
> I downloaded, a while back, a really cool tool (stack)
> that allowed you to name and then create the fields on
> a card.  I've misplaced this little gem and wondered if
> anybody could point me in the right direction for it -
> I can't recall what it was called.

Was it perhaps 4W FormMaker in RevNet?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev


From scott at proherp.com  Mon Mar  6 00:53:19 2006
From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 16:53:19 +1100
Subject: Field Building Tool
In-Reply-To: <440BCD57.3030303@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c640e2$47143110$0201010a@royalnexus>

> Was it perhaps 4W FormMaker in RevNet?

That's the one!!  Thanks Richard you are a star!  :-)

By RevNet do you mean RevOnline?

Scott

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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Mar  6 01:05:09 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 00:05:09 -0600
Subject: Storing preferences data on Windows PCs
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860603052139v4689ecefg59dc2401bcf52377@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C0312D35.37099%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/5/06 11:39 PM, "Sarah Reichelt" <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com> wrote:

>> CSIDL_APPDATA(0x001a)
>> Version 4.71. The file system directory that serves as a common
>> repository for application-specific data. A typical path is
>> C:\Documents and Settings\username\Application Data.
>> 
> 
> You can get it using: specialFolderPath(26)
> 
> This gives you the Application Data folder for the current user (I
> think).

Correct. If you want the Application Data folder for "All Users", you can
use specialFolderPath (35).

For a complete listing of the specialFolderPath codes and where they go,
take a look at this tip:

  http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/file010.htm


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Mar  6 01:14:18 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 22:14:18 -0800
Subject: Field Building Tool
In-Reply-To: <002a01c640e2$47143110$0201010a@royalnexus>
References: <002a01c640e2$47143110$0201010a@royalnexus>
Message-ID: <440BD33A.9030905@fourthworld.com>

Scott Kane wrote:
>> Was it perhaps 4W FormMaker in RevNet?
> 
> That's the one!!  Thanks Richard you are a star!  :-)
> 
> By RevNet do you mean RevOnline?
> 
> Scott

No, I mean RevOnline's older brother: choose "GoRevNet" from the Plugins 
menu in Rev.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From scott at proherp.com  Mon Mar  6 01:26:24 2006
From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 17:26:24 +1100
Subject: Field Building Tool
In-Reply-To: <440BD33A.9030905@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <002e01c640e6$e6366ca0$0201010a@royalnexus>

Thanks Richard!

Scott

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> Sent: Monday, 6 March 2006 5:14 PM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Field Building Tool
> 
> 
> Scott Kane wrote:
> >> Was it perhaps 4W FormMaker in RevNet?
> > 
> > That's the one!!  Thanks Richard you are a star!  :-)
> > 
> > By RevNet do you mean RevOnline?
> > 
> > Scott
> 
> No, I mean RevOnline's older brother: choose "GoRevNet" from 
> the Plugins 
> menu in Rev.
> 
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From transcom at comcast.net  Mon Mar  6 02:07:37 2006
From: transcom at comcast.net (Michael Mandaville)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 23:07:37 -0800
Subject: A Stripped Down Manual Reordering of Lines for a Field
Message-ID: <C0311FB9.1E18%transcom@comcast.net>

I have been studying Jan Schenkel's excellent stack on Manual Reordering.
I'm taking it apart to learn.  Also another stack called "Get in Line".

But I wanted to know if there's a stripped down version of Manual Reordering
for a field.  The user would select certain controls, buttons, A category
and input text into a field.  Then this A [tab] Category [tab] User Input
would go into a field.

I'm trying to find some simple code for Manual Reordering by the User.

Thanks for your help.  I'll keep studying the other material, but just need
a jumpstart.

Michael 




From paulclaude at postino.it  Mon Mar  6 02:54:40 2006
From: paulclaude at postino.it (Paul Claude)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 08:54:40 +0100
Subject: Type a text from a palette stack to an external window
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860603031252o4e738ee1reb0e5b3ae9562899@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C031A950.3FE3%paulclaude@postino.it>

Hi Sarah,

But I would need a palette the floats in front of all windows on the
screen, not just the windows of my main application, to be available from
any other app (a text editor, an email client, etc.).

It seems that Rev has some difficulty to work with mixed external apps (no
system menus, dock menus, etc.), so the systemWindow palette could be the
only way to do this. But how?


on 3-03-2006 21:52, Sarah Reichelt at sarah.reichelt at gmail.com wrote:

> This is the correct behavior for a window set to systemWindow style -
> it will always stay at the front. Try making it a normal palette but
> not setting it to systemWindow.
> 
> HTH,
> Sarah




From ram.kumar at induslogic.com  Mon Mar  6 03:12:49 2006
From: ram.kumar at induslogic.com (Ram Kumar)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 13:42:49 +0530
Subject: Revolution for commercial development?
Message-ID: <00e201c640f5$c24ae050$7a00a8c0@synapse.com>

Greetings group,
 
I am new to Revolution.
before I buy it for commercial development, i need some feedback from this
list.
 
+ How good is revolution for commercial development?
+ How does it compare to REALbasic, VB.NET?
+ How many active users on this list?
+ How stable is Revolution? ( many bugs? very less bugs? )
+ Can I generate...
  + interface-less apps?
    ( not command line, but no GUI. Like If I want to create DropZIP with no
UI)
  + command line apps?
  + GUI apps?
  + TCP/IP, HTTP, POP3, IMAP, SSL apps?
  + Database frontends for mySQL, postgreSQL, ORACLE, MS-SQL, 
 
Regards, Ram
 


From 36degrees at runrev.com  Mon Mar  6 05:17:16 2006
From: 36degrees at runrev.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 10:17:16 +0000
Subject: Read from StnIn from POST is still broken?
In-Reply-To: <4C75D513-0510-4D8B-B0F5-158C1D6E1884@hindu.org>
References: <4C75D513-0510-4D8B-B0F5-158C1D6E1884@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <15617E38-D029-47C3-99AE-CF741F3BBEE3@runrev.com>

Hi Sivakatirswami,

> Linux web server, Apache, call Rev CGI to receive incoming Post  
> Data.  Beginning lines of script to read the incoming data -- see  
> below (suggested as a possible fix years ago by Scott Raney)
>
> (musings... it is possible that this is a client side problem?
> --machine A with browser B cannot in fact encode large chunks of  
> data and the name=value pair actually arrive to the server already  
> truncated.. meanwhile
> -- box C with browser D submits a large text chunk from the same  
> form and it arrive just fine: result Rev get blamed for being  
> intermittent failures... but he's really not the bad guy.
>
> on startup
> if $REQUEST_METHOD is "POST" then
>     put "" into PostIn
>     repeat until length(PostIn) >= $CONTENT_LENGTH
>         read from stdin until ""
>             put it after PostIn
>       end repeat
>     put  urlDecode (PostIn)  into tDataIn
>
>     split tDataIn by "&" and "="
>     put keys(tDataIn) into tFields
>
> .....etc.

There is no reason I can see (engine-side) as to why post data should  
get truncated. That being said, however, you should ensure that you  
pass '-ui' to the revolution engine when running as a CGI.

(i.e. the first line of a cgi script should be:
   #! /<path to rev cgi>/revolution -ui

[ The -ui option alters a few things internally, in particular  
disables attempts to create any GUIs and enables stdin/stdout on  
systems - such as Win32 - which don't by default have these enabled ]

I actually had a similar issue many many moons ago when we were  
automating our order processing. At the time I fixed it by writing a  
small shell wrapper that did the following:
   1) write the input out to a temporary file
   2) run revolution with file as a parameter
   3) delete the temporary file

Although this system interfaces with postfix rather than a CGI - and  
in this case the resulting problem was as much to do with concurrency  
as anything else. However, if you want a copy of the wrapper script  
email me off-list and I'll dig it out for you.

Whether there is an underlying problem or not is difficult to say as  
we are talking about several interacting systems. If large form data  
gets truncated when submitted from all browsers all the time, then  
there is definitely something up. If, however, it does not happen all  
the time then perhaps looking for the browser type might help track  
down the issue - as would trying to discern whether it is always  
truncated to the same length.

Hope this helps,

Mark.

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From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Mon Mar  6 05:17:24 2006
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 21:17:24 +1100
Subject: Storing preferences data on Windows PCs
In-Reply-To: <20060306044453.6F260825649@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060306044453.6F260825649@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <9763d58b2fe432fe25af18f331571d7d@unimelb.edu.au>

Thanks Sarah.

Terry...

> From: "Sarah Reichelt" <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>
> Date: 6 March 2006 4:39:09 PM GMT+11:00
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Storing preferences data on Windows PCs
> Reply-To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>
>
> On 3/6/06, Terry Judd <tsj at unimelb.edu.au> wrote:
>> I've got the Mac side of things covered but where do people usually
>> store user preferences on Window's PCs?
>>
>> Is (from the Microsoft Library)...
>>
>> CSIDL_APPDATA(0x001a)
>> Version 4.71. The file system directory that serves as a common
>> repository for application-specific data. A typical path is
>> C:\Documents and Settings\username\Application Data.
>>
>
> You can get it using: specialFolderPath(26)
>
> This gives you the Application Data folder for the current user (I
> think). Don't use specialFolderPath("Preferences") because on Windows,
> this just gives you the root directory.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah


From kevin at runrev.com  Mon Mar  6 05:29:09 2006
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 10:29:09 +0000
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <p06110401c03136d81aef@[69.226.110.92]>
Message-ID: <C031BF75.2CD52%kevin@runrev.com>

On 6/3/06 01:23, "Timothy Miller" <gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com> wrote:

> It looks like the answer is Studio, but I'm not sure.
> 
> I hope someone will clarify that.

Unfortunately we can't clarify everyone's individual licensing questions on
this mailing list.  Everyone has different requirements and so any attempt
to do so would be likely to result in a prolonged debate and has the
potential for confusion.  If you've read the information on our web site and
are unsure, we are very happy to discuss your specific circumstances at
support at runrev.com.

Please bear in mind that we're not simply dropping support for this product
overnight.  There is nothing stopping anyone with a Dreamcard license
renewing just now, and simply assessing the evolution of our product line
again in a year's time.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools



From 36degrees at runrev.com  Mon Mar  6 05:34:59 2006
From: 36degrees at runrev.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 10:34:59 +0000
Subject: Player Problem in Rev 2.7 on Windows
In-Reply-To: <0B63C783-A28E-4EE1-A00F-EA3DD7C5E9EB@buffalo.edu>
References: <44054518.6060606@chipp.com>
	<0B63C783-A28E-4EE1-A00F-EA3DD7C5E9EB@buffalo.edu>
Message-ID: <376D3F28-0EFD-47A9-A24B-7CC1BC41B66A@runrev.com>

Hi Timothy,

> I've run into a problem with the player control in version 2.7  
> buildNumber 192 on Windows XP. The problem does not occur in  
> version 2.6 of Rev. It does not occur on Mac OS X 10.4.x
>
> I've tried 2 Windows XP machines with Quicktime 6 and 7.
>
> The problem
> Player does not play video when the alwaysBuffer is true from the  
> controller. Keyboard message will start the player but the frame  
> rate is way below the setting.

If alwaysBuffer is set to true, then the controller will not respond  
to mouse-clicks - although will respond to keyboard input (to some  
extent). Such a player should only really be interacted with via  
script as the interactive functionality cross-platform will vary  
slightly.

However, the fact that you are experiencing a difference in behaviour  
between 2.6 and 2.7 points towards the fact that something is up.  
Therefore, if you could take the time to post more details along with  
a sample movie and stack exhibiting the affect in Bugzilla we will  
take a closer look at it.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Mar  6 05:42:24 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 20:42:24 +1000
Subject: Revolution for commercial development?
In-Reply-To: <00e201c640f5$c24ae050$7a00a8c0@synapse.com>
References: <00e201c640f5$c24ae050$7a00a8c0@synapse.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603060242u12822dd7q1d5f3986a8a325b@mail.gmail.com>

I can't answer all of your questions, but I'll tell you what I can.

> + How good is revolution for commercial development?
I use it for commerical programs. It's fast to program and easy to maintain.

> + How stable is Revolution? ( many bugs? very less bugs? )
It has bugs but the compiled apps are extremely stable.

> + Can I generate...
>   + interface-less apps?
>     ( not command line, but no GUI. Like If I want to create DropZIP with no
> UI)
>   + command line apps?
>   + GUI apps?
>   + TCP/IP, HTTP, POP3, IMAP, SSL apps?
>   + Database frontends for mySQL, postgreSQL, ORACLE, MS-SQL,

Yes to all of the above, I think. I haven't done any non-GUI apps
myself, but I know some poeple on this list have. GUI apps are the
norm for Revolution. Any TCP/IP protocol can be preogrammed using
sockets amd secure sockets are now part of Revolution. Database
connections are a big part of Revolution.

Regards,
Sarah


From 36degrees at runrev.com  Mon Mar  6 05:44:44 2006
From: 36degrees at runrev.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 10:44:44 +0000
Subject: Importing and export text with foreign accents
In-Reply-To: <57a643190603030827naf3395eqb6cb83ed13ef1594@mail.gmail.com>
References: <57a643190603030827naf3395eqb6cb83ed13ef1594@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C7F0614-9F02-4E71-B883-A7E0CFBBDD9E@runrev.com>

Hi Derek,

> I'm having a little trouble importing a tab deliminted text file
> (saved from excel), having rev organize it, then saving it out as an
> xml file.
>
> The import and text manipulation works just fine, but when it comes
> time to export the data out to text files, all the foreign characters
> (accents, umlauts, etc,) get converted to squares or questions marks.

Hmmm - sounds like your data is undergoing an inappropriate  
conversion at some point (or *not* undergoing a conversion).

Revolution natively runs in character encoding that depends on platform:
   MacOS - MacRoman
   Win32 - Windows Latin-1
   Unix  - ISO 8859-1

So, when you save out data, it will (by default) save it out using  
that character set.

The only time you have to be concerned about the encoding is when you  
are doing an explicit format conversion - which you are in this case  
as you are saving out as XML.

My guess would be that, in your case, you are writing the data out to  
XML and then another application is loading it and *assuming* it is  
in UTF-8 thus resulting in the effect you see.

To fix this, you either need to convert your string data to UTF-8  
before writing to the XML file:
   put uniDecode(uniEncode(tASCIIText), "UTF8") into tUTF8Text

Or, change the encoding of the XML file by using:
   <?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1" ?>

Hope this helps,

Mark.

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        Runtime Revolution ~ User-Centric Development Tools




From 36degrees at runrev.com  Mon Mar  6 05:58:12 2006
From: 36degrees at runrev.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 10:58:12 +0000
Subject: revolution engine for 2.7 and cgi deployment.
In-Reply-To: <485925FF-548A-4646-AF48-22392FCB852A@mac.com>
References: <485925FF-548A-4646-AF48-22392FCB852A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <DFC91576-CD5F-4EDD-9211-DDDEA73E1726@runrev.com>

Hi Andre,

> Since I moved on to Rev 2.7, I decided to move my cgi stack to the  
> new stack format of 2.7. Before doing that, I tried to install the  
> engine on my Apache installation on my MacOS X 10.4. The engine is  
> playing dead!!!! A simple console hello world works in 2.6.1 and  
> fails on 2.7, it's not like an error is triggered, the engine  
> simply exits without any output or caring for the stack. I even  
> tried a simple script that would wait for a key press to finish and  
> the 2.7 engine simply exits!!!!!
>
> Is this the license issue explained in whats_new.txt? How am I  
> supposed to deploy CGIs using 2.7? I need a license.rev there, if  
> so, how, its a faceless server!! Can someone shed a clue?

In theory you should now be using the Standalone engine for this as  
the IDE engine isn't equipped to be used in this way. However, theory  
never being quite inline with reality, something seems to be up here  
as I couldn't get it to work...

Thus a bug (3367) has been filed and added to my list.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

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        Runtime Revolution ~ User-Centric Development Tools




From paulclaude at postino.it  Mon Mar  6 06:16:48 2006
From: paulclaude at postino.it (Paul Claude)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 12:16:48 +0100
Subject: Slow Dialogs in Rev 2.7
Message-ID: <C031D8B0.3FF3%paulclaude@postino.it>

In Rev 2.7 many things seems a little quicker than before, except from the
dialogs; all kind of dialogs (answer, ask, even the save dialog that appears
when you save your stack) shows after 7-10 seconds from calling.

It's a bug?




From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Mon Mar  6 09:13:29 2006
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 09:13:29 -0500
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <C031BF75.2CD52%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C031BF75.2CD52%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <68A92A03-9197-4862-9F57-95CD2E90403F@conncoll.edu>


On Mar 6, 2006, at 5:29 AM, Kevin Miller wrote:

> Please bear in mind that we're not simply dropping support for this  
> product
> overnight.  There is nothing stopping anyone with a Dreamcard license
> renewing just now, and simply assessing the evolution of our  
> product line
> again in a year's time.

That is what I have just done.

(I mention this on list because on list I've mentioned questions and  
reservations about this whole transition. I'm not convinced -- but an  
academic update package for a year gives me time to think at a  
reasonable price.)

Charles Hartman



From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Mar  6 06:54:25 2006
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 11:54:25 +0000
Subject: spit out on change
In-Reply-To: <323EA8FE-63EE-4720-8234-0CD591509B5F@education.lu>
References: <323EA8FE-63EE-4720-8234-0CD591509B5F@education.lu>
Message-ID: <440C22F1.8080602@tweedly.net>

Christian Langers wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> But I want to change this procedure : the app should only spit out  
> components if there had been changes in the component folders...
>
> What methods should I use : checking timestamp of the folders on  disk 
> ?(how does one do that ?) Checking the number of files in  folders ? ...
>
> If anyone had an idea about this, I would be thankful to read about  
> it ;-)

I've tested out this little script - but not used it in a real case. 
Seems to do what we want, but I can't be sure there isn't some way 
around it ... adjust the folder path (and the list of files) to suit 
your needs.

<code>
--> all handlers

on mouseUp
    put "D:/Our Documents/trythis" into tFolder
    put false into tOK
    put empty into tPrevious
    put empty into tCurrent
    if there is not a folder tFolder then
        create folder tFolder -- NB assuming the path to it must already 
exist !!
    end if
    put the defaultFolder into tSaveFolder
    set the defaultFolder to tFolder
    if there is a file (tFolder & "/filelist.txt") then
        put URL ("file:" & tFolder &  "/filelist.txt") into tPrevious
        filter tPrevious without ".*" -- eliminate special files !?
        sort tPrevious
        put the detailed files into tCurrent
        filter tCurrent without ".*" -- eliminate special files !?
        filter tCurrent without "filelist.txt*" -- eliminate special 
files !?
        sort tCurrent
        if tCurrent = tPrevious then
            put true into tOK
        end if
    end if
    put tOK & CR & tPrevious & CR&CR & tCurrent & CR into field "Field"
    if not tOK then
        put "this is a" into URL ("file:" & tFolder & "/a.txt")
        put "this is file c" into URL ("file:" & tFolder & "/c.txt")
        put "this is b" into URL ("file:" & tFolder & "/b.txt")
        put the detailed files into URL ("file:" & tFolder & 
"/filelist.txt")
    end if  
    set the defaultFolder to tSaveFolder
end mouseUp
</code>

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From klaus at major-k.de  Mon Mar  6 10:36:40 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 16:36:40 +0100
Subject: Importing and export text with foreign accents
In-Reply-To: <4C7F0614-9F02-4E71-B883-A7E0CFBBDD9E@runrev.com>
References: <57a643190603030827naf3395eqb6cb83ed13ef1594@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C7F0614-9F02-4E71-B883-A7E0CFBBDD9E@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C0E3F235-0175-4398-BB8D-F96D01217F7A@major-k.de>

Hi Mark,

> Hi Derek,
>
>> I'm having a little trouble importing a tab deliminted text file
>> (saved from excel), having rev organize it, then saving it out as an
>> xml file.
>>
>> The import and text manipulation works just fine, but when it comes
>> time to export the data out to text files, all the foreign characters
>> (accents, umlauts, etc,) get converted to squares or questions marks.
>
> Hmmm - sounds like your data is undergoing an inappropriate  
> conversion at some point (or *not* undergoing a conversion).
>
> Revolution natively runs in character encoding that depends on  
> platform:
>   MacOS - MacRoman
>   Win32 - Windows Latin-1
>   Unix  - ISO 8859-1
>
> So, when you save out data, it will (by default) save it out using  
> that character set.
>
> The only time you have to be concerned about the encoding is when  
> you are doing an explicit format conversion - which you are in this  
> case as you are saving out as XML.
>
> My guess would be that, in your case, you are writing the data out  
> to XML and then another application is loading it and *assuming* it  
> is in UTF-8 thus resulting in the effect you see.
>
> To fix this, you either need to convert your string data to UTF-8  
> before writing to the XML file:
>   put uniDecode(uniEncode(tASCIIText), "UTF8") into tUTF8Text
>
> Or, change the encoding of the XML file by using:
>   <?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1" ?>

does that means that the Rev XML external does not care about the  
encoding
resp. does not take the first line with an eventual encoding param  
into account?

I found that XML files written by the external on a mac do have this  
header:
<?xml version="1.0"?>

and this on windows:
  <?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1" ?>

So we are supposed to take care of the correct (crossplatform)  
encoding by ourselves?

> Hope this helps,
>
> Mark.

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From jonathandlynch at gmail.com  Mon Mar  6 11:19:39 2006
From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (Jonathan Lynch)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 11:19:39 -0500
Subject: Stripping trailing spaces from a string
In-Reply-To: <C02FCA5C.35A58%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <D513BED6-7711-4CC7-B48A-CD7EE8D3A44D@bloomington.in.us>
	<C02FCA5C.35A58%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <31e1938c0603060819s2c56e679xa5f0d5b5c827cf4b@mail.gmail.com>

You can also do this:

put Word 1 to -1 of tString into tString


From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Mon Mar  6 11:24:29 2006
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 10:24:29 -0600
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <79d1bee70603041824u4d4095f8l@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1hbo7xr.sami10ds87i8M%mcdomi@free.fr>
	<p0623090ac02f5d336675@192.168.1.101>
	<4409F920.4040200@fourthworld.com>
	<2F4220BE-BB00-4460-A115-F78A183F4409@mac.com>
	<70ed6b130603041258h185a2676vbaccc896398b22d3@mail.gmail.com>
	<79d1bee70603041824u4d4095f8l@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060306102348.0af9b160@exchange.slg.com>

I think calling the language "Revolution" is a typo.  That was a typo in 
one of the 2.7 install screens that has been corrected.

At 08:24 PM 3/4/2006, you wrote:
>On 05/03/06, Dan Shafer <revolutionary.dan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "Use Revolution, the English like, built-in language, to add the *step by
> > step logic *of your concept to your creation." I suspect -- but again my
> > caveat -- that this is just a mistake, that the language is called
> > Transcript, not Revolution (which would be devilishly confusing, no?).
>
>Perhaps Run Rev are trying to confuse us all - you can read these two
>quotes from the same page at http://revstudio.runrev.com/easy.php  :
>
>'Then use Transcript, Revolution's built-in scripting language, to add
>in-depth functionality and connectivity.'
>
>'Revolution uses an English like command language also called... Revolution'
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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Mon Mar  6 11:48:34 2006
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 11:48:34 -0500
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <p06110401c0317977c25b@[69.226.110.92]>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603050952300.19515-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<p06110401c03136d81aef@[69.226.110.92]>
	<9DC5E784-E242-4435-90E4-E5BEAFCF4746@adelphia.net>
	<p06110401c0317977c25b@[69.226.110.92]>
Message-ID: <2CC0D5B5-E273-4C8B-807E-985083A6D842@adelphia.net>

Tim,

Thanks for taking my comments as they were intended. I guess riding  
the OS, Hardware, Software wave can become an expensive proposition  
especially if you are not getting back any rewards. I cant say how I  
will feel when I reach the point of not getting rewards back.

As far as rewards go, I made a promise to myself years back (after a  
bit of youthful trouble) that in my new life I would learn something  
new everyday and have been doing so for 20 years now. The new things  
that I learn everyday from using HC, SC and now Rev have been part of  
my rewards. Also, some of the opportunities that this knowledge has  
opened up for me have been my rewards. Lastly, the monetary rewards  
although small definitely make it worthwhile.

Maybe it is the possibility of future rewards that keeps me riding  
this wave. I love the learning part and hope I always will.

Regards,

Tom

On Mar 6, 2006, at 12:43 AM, Timothy Miller wrote:
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> I appreciate your concern. In the short run, that strategy would  
> work, of course. I tried to keep going with hyperCard for as long  
> as possible. 18 months ago, or so, it became apparent that OS 9 was  
> becoming obsolete, and now classic mode is obsolete as well. Some  
> die-hards buy old machines so they can keep using hypercard  
> indefinitely. I considered that, but decided against it.
>

Thomas J McGrath III
3mcgrath at adelphia.net

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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Mon Mar  6 12:03:50 2006
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 12:03:50 -0500
Subject: Revolution for commercial development?
In-Reply-To: <00e201c640f5$c24ae050$7a00a8c0@synapse.com>
References: <00e201c640f5$c24ae050$7a00a8c0@synapse.com>
Message-ID: <BF864F18-79BE-4345-B5F2-2441BD4B1DB4@adelphia.net>


On Mar 6, 2006, at 3:12 AM, Ram Kumar wrote:

> Greetings group,
>
> I am new to Revolution.
> before I buy it for commercial development, i need some feedback  
> from this
> list.
>
> + How good is revolution for commercial development?
Rev is an excellent choice for RAD, Prototyping and yes for  
Commercial Apps.

> + How does it compare to REALbasic, VB.NET?
This is always coming up on list. The problem is it compares Apples  
to Oranges. They are both good and have their own place for different  
projects. But with that said if you want something that is a breeze  
to use and want to spend more time building a useful app than  
debugging code I would go with Revolution.

> + How many active users on this list?
This list is just one of the many resources available for Rev users.  
It is the best list I have ever seen or been on. It is a nice mix of  
advanced users and new users and I always come here to help and to be  
helped. There are a lot of users but I don't know the numbers.

> + How stable is Revolution? ( many bugs? very less bugs? )
The IDE is being cleaned up with every release (all software has  
bugs) and some people experience more bugs and others experience  
less. But the finished applications that are built are very solid. I  
would say for a RAD tool that it has less bugs than some and the same  
as others. For new users that have maybe ever programmed before it  
has more bugs than they are used to. As a cross platform tool it  
definitely has less bugs.

> + Can I generate...
>   + interface-less apps?
>     ( not command line, but no GUI. Like If I want to create  
> DropZIP with no
> UI)
>   + command line apps?
>   + GUI apps?
>   + TCP/IP, HTTP, POP3, IMAP, SSL apps?
>   + Database frontends for mySQL, postgreSQL, ORACLE, MS-SQL,
I know people create CGIs and there is a lot of activity with  
Databases on this list. I would say though that Rev shines when  
building UIs and can't be beat in time to deployment. I can do in REV  
what it takes our C,C# programers months and months in just a few  
days. I can do in REV what it takes our Director, Flash, Java  
programmers weeks and weeks to do in just a day or two.

Welcome to the REVOLUTION, I hope you fall in love with Revolution  
and show up on the list...

Regards

Tom

> Regards, Ram
>
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From christian.langers at education.lu  Mon Mar  6 12:07:46 2006
From: christian.langers at education.lu (Christian Langers)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 18:07:46 +0100
Subject: spit out on change
In-Reply-To: <440C22F1.8080602@tweedly.net>
References: <323EA8FE-63EE-4720-8234-0CD591509B5F@education.lu>
	<440C22F1.8080602@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <842A75AD-95C2-456C-AC9C-D565D1344D49@education.lu>

Thanks Alex, I've tried it and it seems to work !

I'll do the transformations later when I have more time available...

Thanks again...


Christian
(the only one on this list from Luxembourg ;-) )



Le 6 mars 06 ? 12:54, Alex Tweedly a ?crit :

> Christian Langers wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> But I want to change this procedure : the app should only spit  
>> out  components if there had been changes in the component folders...
>>
>> What methods should I use : checking timestamp of the folders on   
>> disk ?(how does one do that ?) Checking the number of files in   
>> folders ? ...
>>
>> If anyone had an idea about this, I would be thankful to read  
>> about  it ;-)
>
> I've tested out this little script - but not used it in a real  
> case. Seems to do what we want, but I can't be sure there isn't  
> some way around it ... adjust the folder path (and the list of  
> files) to suit your needs.
>
> <code>
> --> all handlers
>
> on mouseUp
>    put "D:/Our Documents/trythis" into tFolder
>    put false into tOK
>    put empty into tPrevious
>    put empty into tCurrent
>    if there is not a folder tFolder then
>        create folder tFolder -- NB assuming the path to it must  
> already exist !!
>    end if
>    put the defaultFolder into tSaveFolder
>    set the defaultFolder to tFolder
>    if there is a file (tFolder & "/filelist.txt") then
>        put URL ("file:" & tFolder &  "/filelist.txt") into tPrevious
>        filter tPrevious without ".*" -- eliminate special files !?
>        sort tPrevious
>        put the detailed files into tCurrent
>        filter tCurrent without ".*" -- eliminate special files !?
>        filter tCurrent without "filelist.txt*" -- eliminate special  
> files !?
>        sort tCurrent
>        if tCurrent = tPrevious then
>            put true into tOK
>        end if
>    end if
>    put tOK & CR & tPrevious & CR&CR & tCurrent & CR into field "Field"
>    if not tOK then
>        put "this is a" into URL ("file:" & tFolder & "/a.txt")
>        put "this is file c" into URL ("file:" & tFolder & "/c.txt")
>        put "this is b" into URL ("file:" & tFolder & "/b.txt")
>        put the detailed files into URL ("file:" & tFolder & "/ 
> filelist.txt")
>    end if     set the defaultFolder to tSaveFolder
> end mouseUp
> </code>
>
> -- 
> Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net
>
>
>
>
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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Mon Mar  6 12:09:04 2006
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 12:09:04 -0500
Subject: [ANN] ToolTip Tricks
Message-ID: <140CEC1A-EF53-4230-A577-A358DB2CCC6F@adelphia.net>

I just had a chance to clean up my Tooltip stacks and combine them  
into one stack. The stack shows some examples and ways to play with  
tooltips in Revolution. There are a couple of different ways to tweak  
the tooltip behavior that most people don't realize at first glance.

I uploaded the ToolTip Tricks stack to RevOnline
user: mcgrath3
stack: Tooltip Tricks

Regards,

Tom

Thomas J McGrath III
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From rcozens at pon.net  Mon Mar  6 12:29:28 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 09:29:28 -0800
Subject: Progress Reporting When Building Standalones
Message-ID: <C4029E5E-AD36-11DA-98F7-0030657E1638@pon.net>

Hi All,

When the RunRev Team requested that more people try v2.7.1 on WinXP 
last week, I decided to give it a go.

Here's what I reported back to them:

> My first experience -- Motion M1300 running XP TPC Edition 2005 -- 
> went beautifully until I built my first standalone.
>

At that point I thought RR had hung the system because I saw _nothing_ 
change on the screen for several minutes and when I tried to close the 
Revolution window XP told me it was not responding; so I shut the 
computer down.

It turns out I was just impatient (and perhaps gun-shy from others' 
reports): I was building standalones for both MacOSX and Windows from 
my 90M Photo Portfolio stack, and I now know the process takes in 
excess of four minutes... during which the IDE does nothing -- not even 
a cursor change -- to provide any progress feedback.

So I've added an enhancement request to Bugzilla asking for progress 
reporting during standalone builds.  If you wish to support my request, 
vote for bugzilla #3369
<http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=3369>

The good news is this is the _only_ issue I have encountered so far in 
v2.7.1 on XP.  All the stacks I tried so far open, could me modified, 
and run with no problem.  Ditto for the standalones... once I gave the 
IDE time to build them.     :{`)

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From rcozens at pon.net  Mon Mar  6 12:38:20 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 09:38:20 -0800
Subject: Progress Reporting When Building Standalones
Message-ID: <00EE5AB2-AD38-11DA-98F7-0030657E1638@pon.net>


> All the stacks I tried so far open, could me modified, and run with no 
> problem.  Ditto for the standalones...

... except for the "could me [read 'be'] modified" part, of course.


Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Mon Mar  6 12:40:09 2006
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 09:40:09 -0800
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <C031BF75.2CD52%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C031BF75.2CD52%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p06200702c032206295aa@[10.0.1.201]>

Hi Kevin,

Thanks for your reply. It's not a question of licensing. It's a 
question of planning. I'm just trying to figure out what RR product I 
will need, in the long run, to continue running my stacks. Studio is 
my guess.

Beyond that, it was a tiny complaint, because RR's publicity to date 
makes has been hard to understand.

Best regards,

Tim

>On 6/3/06 01:23, "Timothy Miller" <gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com> wrote:
>
>>  It looks like the answer is Studio, but I'm not sure.
>>
>>  I hope someone will clarify that.
>
>Unfortunately we can't clarify everyone's individual licensing questions on
>this mailing list.  Everyone has different requirements and so any attempt
>to do so would be likely to result in a prolonged debate and has the
>potential for confusion.  If you've read the information on our web site and
>are unsure, we are very happy to discuss your specific circumstances at
>support at runrev.com.
>
>Please bear in mind that we're not simply dropping support for this product
>overnight.  There is nothing stopping anyone with a Dreamcard license
>renewing just now, and simply assessing the evolution of our product line
>again in a year's time.
>
>Kind regards,
>
>Kevin
>
>Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
>Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools
>
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Mon Mar  6 12:45:25 2006
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 09:45:25 -0800
Subject: [ANN] tm|color & tm|gradient
Message-ID: <C031B535.34BD0%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Greetings Revolutionaries:

Tactile Media is proud to announce the availability of a new pair of layout
plugins for Revolution and MetaCard: tm|color and tm|gradient.

tm|color is a color-management plugin designed to enhance the way you add
color to stacks.  The stack provides 5 color models from which to apply
color to controls, along with hex values, and persistent color settings
which allow you to apply sets of color properties to objects at any time.
The plugin includes tools for retrieving color properties from selected
controls, notification of color properties that have been edited, and for
picking up color from anywhere on the screen.

The companion to tm|color is tm|gradient, a plugin that allows you to create
2-color gradient images, with variable translucency, written entirely in
Transcript.  The plugin allows you to use images, graphics and text fields
as source objects to create gradients, so you can create irregularly shaped
gradient images, widgets, and even gradient text.  Until Revolution is able
to create gradients natively, this is a helpful, if not speedy way to get
gradients into stacks now.

You can view a gallery stack that contains samples of gradient images built
with tm|gradient:
  http://www.tactilemedia.com/tmtools/tmgradient/tm_gallery.rev.zip

You can also review the QuickStart guide for tm|gradient:
  http://www.tactilemedia.com/tmtools/tmgradient/quickstart.html

And an example widget-building tutorial is available:
  http://www.tactilemedia.com/tmtools/tmgradient/tutorial1_1.html

Both plugins require Revolution 2.6 or later.  A 600 mHz or better system is
recommended to run tm|gradient.

The plugins are available now via PayPal at US$18 for the set.  To order,
visit the Media section of our site -- http://www.tactilemedia.com.

Thanks for your continued support of our tools, and we look forward to
seeing what you create with them!

Best Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Mar  6 12:51:14 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 11:51:14 -0600
Subject: Progress Reporting When Building Standalones
In-Reply-To: <C4029E5E-AD36-11DA-98F7-0030657E1638@pon.net>
Message-ID: <C031D2B2.37101%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/6/06 11:29 AM, "Rob Cozens" <rcozens at pon.net> wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> When the RunRev Team requested that more people try v2.7.1 on WinXP
> last week, I decided to give it a go.

2.7.1? The web site only shows a download of 2.7...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Mon Mar  6 12:50:55 2006
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 09:50:55 -0800
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <2CC0D5B5-E273-4C8B-807E-985083A6D842@adelphia.net>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603050952300.19515-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<p06110401c03136d81aef@[69.226.110.92]>
	<9DC5E784-E242-4435-90E4-E5BEAFCF4746@adelphia.net>
	<p06110401c0317977c25b@[69.226.110.92]>
	<2CC0D5B5-E273-4C8B-807E-985083A6D842@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <p06200703c03225b3d4bb@[10.0.1.201]>

Tom wrote:

>Tim,
>
>--snip--



>As far as rewards go, I made a promise to myself years back (after a 
>bit of youthful trouble) that in my new life I would learn something 
>new everyday and have been doing so for 20 years now. The new things 
>that I learn everyday from using HC, SC and now Rev have been part 
>of my rewards. Also, some of the opportunities that this knowledge 
>has opened up for me have been my rewards. Lastly, the monetary 
>rewards although small definitely make it worthwhile.
>
>Maybe it is the possibility of future rewards that keeps me riding 
>this wave. I love the learning part and hope I always will.
>

Hi Tom,

I know the foregoing comment is mean to be supportive, but I'm afraid 
it has the opposite effect. Learning something new every day, at 
minimum, is a value we both share. On the other hand, if I learn 
something new today, something new about how to program a computer is 
going to be low on my priority list. I'd prefer to learn something 
new about literature, art, music, history, current affairs, science, 
my profession, a new physical recreation, a hiking trip, making a new 
friend, etc. Constantly climbing the computer learning curve 
interferes with pursuing those interests I value more.

Cheers,

Tim



From benbock at msn.com  Mon Mar  6 13:45:45 2006
From: benbock at msn.com (Ben Bock)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 10:45:45 -0800
Subject: (no subject)
Message-ID: <BAY106-DAV376DF425A9949FC347A2EA9E90@phx.gbl>

What is the correct syntax for Rev to append data to the next line in a text file?

I have a quiz in a standalone, and when the participant finishes, the file needs to save.  the next particpant's scores should go on the next line.  I use a button at the end of the quiz:


on mouseUp

set itemDelimiter to tab

put fld "quiz_item1" into item 1 of line 1 of field "data field" of stack "data sample"

put fld "quiz_item2" into item 2 of line 1 of field "data field" of stack "data sample"

put fld "data field " into url "file:test data.txt"

get url "file:test data.txt" 

put it into fld "sample field that proves to me something is going to the test data file"

save url "file:test data.txt"

end mouseUp



1) So how do I get the next person's data to enter the next line and save, without over writing the previous person's data?



2) Do you see flaws in this approach?



My frustration with the Rev docs disappears when I use this support forum.  Thanks, as always, for the help.  



Ben


From benbock at msn.com  Mon Mar  6 13:47:17 2006
From: benbock at msn.com (Ben Bock)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 10:47:17 -0800
Subject: Correct syntax fpr appending data
Message-ID: <BAY106-DAV146CE9CCFBA0EBE3780A26A9E90@phx.gbl>

What is the correct syntax for Rev to append data to the next line in a text file?

I have a quiz in a standalone, and when the participant finishes, the file needs to save.  the next particpant's scores should go on the next line.  I use a button at the end of the quiz:


on mouseUp

set itemDelimiter to tab

put fld "quiz_item1" into item 1 of line 1 of field "data field" of stack "data sample"

put fld "quiz_item2" into item 2 of line 1 of field "data field" of stack "data sample"

put fld "data field " into url "file:test data.txt"

get url "file:test data.txt" 

put it into fld "sample field that proves to me something is going to the test data file"

save url "file:test data.txt"

end mouseUp



1) So how do I get the next person's data to enter the next line and save, without over writing the previous person's data?



2) Do you see flaws in this approach?



My frustration with the Rev docs disappears when I use this support forum.  Thanks, as always, for the help.  



Ben


From klaus at major-k.de  Mon Mar  6 14:03:51 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 20:03:51 +0100
Subject: Correct syntax fpr appending data
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-DAV146CE9CCFBA0EBE3780A26A9E90@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY106-DAV146CE9CCFBA0EBE3780A26A9E90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <307DBB21-21D2-4F2D-953E-E1523B291EC3@major-k.de>

Hi Ben,

> What is the correct syntax for Rev to append data to the next line  
> in a text file?
>
> I have a quiz in a standalone, and when the participant finishes,  
> the file needs to save.  the next particpant's scores should go on  
> the next line.  I use a button at the end of the quiz:
>
>
> on mouseUp
>
> set itemDelimiter to tab
>
> put fld "quiz_item1" into item 1 of line 1 of field "data field" of  
> stack "data sample"
>
> put fld "quiz_item2" into item 2 of line 1 of field "data field" of  
> stack "data sample"
>
> put fld "data field " into url "file:test data.txt"

## OK so far :-)

> ##get url "file:test data.txt"

## But now you could use this lines to check if the saving was  
successful:
if the result = empty then ## Success
     put "File saved successfully!" into fld "sample field that  
proves to me something is going to the test data file"
else ## NO success
     put "Error while saving to disk!" into fld "sample field that  
proves to me something is going to the test data file"
end if
	
> ##save url "file:test data.txt"
## Does not work! Wrong Syntax!

> end mouseUp
>
> 1) So how do I get the next person's data to enter the next line  
> and save, without over writing the previous person's data?

put CR & the_new_data_2_save AFTER url "file:test data.txt"
## Puts a RETURN (= new line) and the new data AFTER that file.  
That's it.

> 2) Do you see flaws in this approach?

No should work fine.

> My frustration with the Rev docs disappears when I use this support  
> forum.  Thanks, as always, for the help.
>
> Ben

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  6 14:12:19 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 11:12:19 -0800
Subject: Correct syntax fpr appending data
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-DAV146CE9CCFBA0EBE3780A26A9E90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C031C993.35B59%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/6/06 10:47 AM, "Ben Bock" <benbock at msn.com> wrote:

> What is the correct syntax for Rev to append data to the next line in a text
> file?
> 
> I have a quiz in a standalone, and when the participant finishes, the file
> needs to save.  the next particpant's scores should go on the next line.  I
> use a button at the end of the quiz:
> 
> 
> on mouseUp
> set itemDelimiter to tab
> put fld "quiz_item1" into item 1 of line 1 of field "data field" of stack
> "data sample"
> put fld "quiz_item2" into item 2 of line 1 of field "data field" of stack
> "data sample"
> put fld "data field " into url "file:test data.txt"
> get url "file:test data.txt"
> put it into fld "sample field that proves to me something is going to the test
> data file"
> save url "file:test data.txt"
> end mouseUp

> 1) So how do I get the next person's data to enter the next line and save,
> without over writing the previous person's data?
> 2) Do you see flaws in this approach?
The way I like is to do:

put CR & fld dataField after url ("file:test data.txt")
or
put  fld dataField & CR before url ("file:test data.txt")
or
put  fld dataField & CR  & CR before url ("file:test data.txt") --dbl space
or
put (CR & the seconds &CR&fld dataField & CR) after url ("file:test
data.txt")


If the file does not exist, one is created.
Caution: if the folder does NOT exist, nothing is written.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Mar  6 14:35:38 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 13:35:38 -0600
Subject: Progress Reporting When Building Standalones
In-Reply-To: <C4029E5E-AD36-11DA-98F7-0030657E1638@pon.net>
References: <C4029E5E-AD36-11DA-98F7-0030657E1638@pon.net>
Message-ID: <440C8F0A.6000309@hyperactivesw.com>

Rob Cozens wrote:

> It turns out I was just impatient (and perhaps gun-shy from others' 
> reports): I was building standalones for both MacOSX and Windows from my 
> 90M Photo Portfolio stack, and I now know the process takes in excess of 
> four minutes... during which the IDE does nothing -- not even a cursor 
> change -- to provide any progress feedback.

The long time it takes to do a build might be due to the content of your 
stack, but also there can be a big delay if you have the standalone 
builder set to scan for inclusions. If you uncheck the box "search for 
required inclusions" and instead check the box "select inclusions" the 
time it takes to build can be dramatically reduced.

If you've already done that, of course, ignore this. ;)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Mar  6 14:38:17 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 13:38:17 -0600
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <p06200702c032206295aa@[10.0.1.201]>
References: <C031BF75.2CD52%kevin@runrev.com>
	<p06200702c032206295aa@[10.0.1.201]>
Message-ID: <440C8FA9.6090708@hyperactivesw.com>

Timothy Miller wrote:

> Thanks for your reply. It's not a question of licensing. It's a question 
> of planning. I'm just trying to figure out what RR product I will need, 
> in the long run, to continue running my stacks. Studio is my guess.

If you don't mind the persistent backdrop and you aren't using external 
databases, then I suspect you could also do fine with Media. Media has a 
script editor.

But I think the idea of renewing DC now and waiting for a while to see 
what your needs are is a good one. That way you don't lose anything.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Mar  6 14:52:12 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 13:52:12 -0600
Subject: Correct syntax fpr appending data
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-DAV146CE9CCFBA0EBE3780A26A9E90@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY106-DAV146CE9CCFBA0EBE3780A26A9E90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <440C92EC.8040200@hyperactivesw.com>

Ben Bock wrote:
> What is the correct syntax for Rev to append data to the next line in
> a text file?
<snip<
> 
> put fld "data field " into url "file:test data.txt"
> 
> get url "file:test data.txt"
> 
> put it into fld "sample field that proves to me something is going to
> the test data file"
> 
> save url "file:test data.txt"

You don't need the "save" line -- putting data into a URL automatically 
opens the file, writes to it, closes and saves it.

You can re-read the text file, add more info after the existing info, 
and the put the data back into the URL, as you are doing now. "Putting" 
into a URL is definitely one of the easiest methods of saving text 
files, because it is a one-liner.

But in some cases it is worth a look at the original way to save files 
to disk. This uses the "open file", "write to file", and "close file" 
syntax. These are much more powerful than the automated "put into URL" 
syntax.

You can open a file and leave it open if you need to, for one thing, 
only closing it at the end of the session. This is good for repeated 
read/write operations. And more advantageous to your situation, you can 
open a file in various modes depending on what you want to do. You can 
open a file as read-only, or as write-only, or -- and this is what you 
want -- as "append". If you open a file for appending, anything you 
write automatically gets placed at the end without overwriting anything 
else in there. That describes your situation exactly.

So, you could do this:

   open file "test data.txt" for append
   write field "data field" to file "test data.txt"
   close file "test data.txt"

See the "open file" and "write to file" entries in the docs for lots of 
ideas. It is a more powerful way to use disk files.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From soapdog at mac.com  Mon Mar  6 14:58:27 2006
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 16:58:27 -0300
Subject: url for free icons to use in web and apps...
Message-ID: <4B3A0C89-2802-48BE-805A-AA697B613D8A@mac.com>

Folks,

I know this is a little OT but if you guys are like me and can't draw  
a straight line with the help of a ruler, then, you all probably  
looking for some quality royalty free icons out there in the wild.
I came to this site today which lists some free icon sets, some are  
very nice indeed.

http://www.maxpower.ca/free-icons/2006/03/05/

Cheers
andre


From cmsheffield at gmail.com  Mon Mar  6 15:01:09 2006
From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 13:01:09 -0700
Subject: shortFilePath function not working
Message-ID: <BB133C7A-DB6D-47FA-B438-923A03F2A0DE@gmail.com>

I've been struggling with this one for a couple days now.

Can anyone think of any reason why shortFilePath() would not return a  
valid 8.3 file path?  I am seeing some very strange behavior with  
it.  I have two standalones.  The first was built a few months back,  
the second just a few days ago.  They both have a line of script that  
calls shortFilePath, and then uses that path later in order to call  
an external exe.  The first standalone works perfectly.  The second  
does not.  The code between the two is exactly the same as far as I  
can tell.  But in the second one, shortFilePath is not converting the  
path.  The docs say that the function does not actually check for  
existence of a file, so it should convert the path regardless.  I  
cannot for the life of me figure out why it's not working in the  
second standalone.

Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks,
Chris


------------------------------------------
Chris Sheffield
Read Naturally
The Fluency Company
http://www.readnaturally.com
------------------------------------------




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Mar  6 15:04:12 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 14:04:12 -0600
Subject: Slow Dialogs in Rev 2.7
In-Reply-To: <C031D8B0.3FF3%paulclaude@postino.it>
References: <C031D8B0.3FF3%paulclaude@postino.it>
Message-ID: <440C95BC.9040009@hyperactivesw.com>

Paul Claude wrote:
> In Rev 2.7 many things seems a little quicker than before, except from the
> dialogs; all kind of dialogs (answer, ask, even the save dialog that appears
> when you save your stack) shows after 7-10 seconds from calling.
> 
> It's a bug?

It works fine for me here, no delays at all. What OS are you using, and 
what version of Revolution?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  6 15:33:58 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 12:33:58 -0800
Subject: parallel sort question
Message-ID: <C031DCB6.35B70%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Sorting by another field.
Parallel sort question

Is there an easy syntax for using the sort lines to do parallel sorting

I know how to :
sort lines of fld dataLines descending by the number of items of each

and
--using a function call to define the sortKey value (value sorted on)
sort lines of fld dataLines descending by supply2ndFldValue(word 1 of each)

function supply2ndFldValue lookupValue
  return lineOffset( lookupValue, fld orderValues)
end supplyFld2
--------------------
However, these do not work
sort lines of it descending by supplyFld2(line of each)
sort lines of it descending by supplyFld2(line number of each)

I will be scanning a list of combined data that will be evaluated to a
classification.  I would like to sort by that classification to achieve
grouping without adding that to the data field.

 I have done successive repeat loops to do this by
adding the class as word 1,
sort, 
then deleting word 1.
Works fine, but elegance is its own reward.

Basically, 'sort according to another list or field'

Thanks

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From wlists at fireworksmm.com  Mon Mar  6 15:34:58 2006
From: wlists at fireworksmm.com (Wally Rodriguez)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 15:34:58 -0500
Subject: (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-DAV376DF425A9949FC347A2EA9E90@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY106-DAV376DF425A9949FC347A2EA9E90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <470278E3-9763-4768-A0E0-1C1705CFA6F1@fireworksmm.com>

This is what I use in one of my solutions:

put fld "quiz_item1" & tab into fld "data field" of stack "data sample"
put fld "quiz_item2" & tab after fld "data field" of stack "data sample"

Then write out, etc., etc.

If you want the data to go to the next line instead of being  
separated by tabs then

put fld "quiz_item1" & return into fld "data field" of stack "data  
sample"
put fld "quiz_item12" & return after fld "data field" of stack "data  
sample"


W.

On Mar 6, 2006, at 1:45 PM, Ben Bock wrote:

> What is the correct syntax for Rev to append data to the next line  
> in a text file?
>
> I have a quiz in a standalone, and when the participant finishes,  
> the file needs to save.  the next particpant's scores should go on  
> the next line.  I use a button at the end of the quiz:
>
>
> on mouseUp
>
> set itemDelimiter to tab
>
> put fld "quiz_item1" into item 1 of line 1 of field "data field" of  
> stack "data sample"
>
> put fld "quiz_item2" into item 2 of line 1 of field "data field" of  
> stack "data sample"
>
> put fld "data field " into url "file:test data.txt"
>
> get url "file:test data.txt"
>
> put it into fld "sample field that proves to me something is going  
> to the test data file"
>
> save url "file:test data.txt"
>
> end mouseUp
>
>
>
> 1) So how do I get the next person's data to enter the next line  
> and save, without over writing the previous person's data?
>
>
>
> 2) Do you see flaws in this approach?
>
>
>
> My frustration with the Rev docs disappears when I use this support  
> forum.  Thanks, as always, for the help.
>
>
>
> Ben
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From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Mon Mar  6 15:48:59 2006
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 12:48:59 -0800
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <440C8FA9.6090708@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C031BF75.2CD52%kevin@runrev.com>
	<p06200702c032206295aa@[10.0.1.201]>
	<440C8FA9.6090708@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <p06200701c0324e535a31@[10.0.1.2]>

>Timothy Miller wrote:
>
>>Thanks for your reply. It's not a question of licensing. It's a 
>>question of planning. I'm just trying to figure out what RR product 
>>I will need, in the long run, to continue running my stacks. Studio 
>>is my guess.
>
>If you don't mind the persistent backdrop and you aren't using 
>external databases, then I suspect you could also do fine with 
>Media. Media has a script editor.
>
>But I think the idea of renewing DC now and waiting for a while to 
>see what your needs are is a good one. That way you don't lose 
>anything.
>

Thanks Jacque,

I can't quite picture the "persistent backdrop." Is there a way to preview it?

Will Media support all the commands, functions, properties and 
containers presently supported by Dreamcard, except for external 
database-related stuff?

If so, will Media do other things that DC presently doesn't do?

I still can't figure out if Media is meant as a DC replacement, or if 
it also adds functionality to Studio. Am I overlooking some kind of a 
comparison chart on the RR website? If I'm not, this really shouldn't 
be so hard.

I paid for an extended licence for DC some time ago, so renewing the 
license is not an issue. I thought it was a bargain at the time, 
still do.

Cheers,

Tim


From Cubist at aol.com  Mon Mar  6 15:51:17 2006
From: Cubist at aol.com (Cubist at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 15:51:17 EST
Subject: Correct syntax fpr appending data
Message-ID: <27a.58f9e83.313dfac5@aol.com>

In a message dated 3/6/06 10:59:12 AM, "Ben Bock" <benbock at msn.com> writes:
>
>What is the correct syntax for Rev to append data to the next line in a
>text file?
>I have a quiz in a standalone, and when the participant finishes, the file
>needs to save.  the next particpant's scores should go on the next line.
> I use a button at the end of the quiz:
>
>on mouseUp
>  set itemDelimiter to tab
>  put fld "quiz_item1" into item 1 of line 1 of field "data field" of stack 
"data sample"
>  put fld "quiz_item2" into item 2 of line 1 of field "data field" of stack 
"data sample"
>  put fld "data field " into url "file:test data.txt"
>  get url "file:test data.txt" 
>  put it into fld "sample field that proves to me something is going to the 
test data file"
>  save url "file:test data.txt"
>end mouseUp
>
>1) So how do I get the next person's data to enter the next line and save,
>without over writing the previous person's data?
   You need to *not* explicitly anoint a particular number as The One True 
Line-Number when you're putting your new data into that field. Something like 
this would work:

on mouseUp
  set itemDelimiter to tab
  put the number of lines in (field "data field" of stack "data sample") into 
Fred
  add 1 to Fred
  put fld "quiz_item1" into item 1 of line Fred of field "data field" of 
stack "data sample"
  TheRestOfTheCodeGoesHere

   The idea is that you find out which line you should put your data into, 
*before* you put your data into that line.

>2) Do you see flaws in this approach?
   Hmmm... not so much "flaws" as "differences in programming style". You're 
adding each piece of data to your field, as a separate operation; if I was 
writing this thing, I'd put all the new data into a variable, and then add that 
variable (which contains X number of pieces of data) to the field. Something 
like this:

on mouseUp
  set itemDelimiter to tab
  put the number of lines in (field "data field" of stack "data sample") into 
Fred
  add 1 to Fred

  put fld "quiz_item1" into item 1 of George
  put fld "quiz_item2" into item 2 of George
  put George into line Fred of field "data field" of stack "data sample"

  put fld "data field " into url "file:test data.txt"
  get url "file:test data.txt" 
  put it into fld "sample field that proves to me something is going to the 
test data file"
  save url "file:test data.txt"
end mouseUp

   The difference is that your way, you 'touch' the field many times; my way, 
I 'touch' the field only once. Why would anyone worry abut how many times 
they 'touch' a field? Because it takes Revolution less time to change the 
contents of a variable than to change the contents of a field. That is, variables are 
faster than fields. The actual speed difference is measured in milliseconds 
(if that much) for any one operation, but it *can* add up, depending on what 
you're doing, so I generally go for speed as and when I can. 
   All of which said, your way *will* work. And it may well be that a few 
milliseconds here and there simply will never be *noticed* by the users of your 
stack. So don't feel you *must* change!

   Hope this helps...


From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Mon Mar  6 16:15:08 2006
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 15:15:08 -0600
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <p06200701c0324e535a31@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <C031BF75.2CD52%kevin@runrev.com>
	<p06200702c032206295aa@[10.0.1.201]>
	<440C8FA9.6090708@hyperactivesw.com>
	<p06200701c0324e535a31@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060306151259.0b59b440@exchange.slg.com>

At 02:48 PM 3/6/2006, you wrote:
>I can't quite picture the "persistent backdrop." Is there a way to preview it?

DC/Rev has the backdrop currently.  In your application "set the backdrop 
to black" to see how it will look.

I'm not sure if the Rev Media IDE will have the backdrop on by default, or 
if it is just the player that will have the backdrop.

You can turn the backdrop on in IDE by choosing View -> Backdrop

Peter T. Evensen
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588 



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Mar  6 16:47:21 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 15:47:21 -0600
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <p06200701c0324e535a31@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <C031BF75.2CD52%kevin@runrev.com>
	<p06200702c032206295aa@[10.0.1.201]>
	<440C8FA9.6090708@hyperactivesw.com>
	<p06200701c0324e535a31@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <440CADE9.5040800@hyperactivesw.com>

Timothy Miller wrote:

 > I can't quite picture the "persistent backdrop." Is there a way to
 > preview it?

Choose "Backdrop" from the View menu. You can set the color via script, 
or from the Preferences. Note that having a backdrop doesn't prevent you 
from changing apps.

 >
 > Will Media support all the commands, functions, properties and
 > containers presently supported by Dreamcard, except for external
 > database-related stuff?

Yes, pretty much. It is the same engine, with a few behavioral limitations.

 >
 > If so, will Media do other things that DC presently doesn't do?

No. It comes with templates that the other editions don't have. But the 
engine functionality is the same, with above limitation caveats.

 >
 > I still can't figure out if Media is meant as a DC replacement, or if it
 > also adds functionality to Studio. Am I overlooking some kind of a
 > comparison chart on the RR website? If I'm not, this really shouldn't be
 > so hard.

There is a chart here: <http://www.runrev.com/section/platform.php>

If you buy Studio or Enterprise, you don't need Media. Media is 
basically an entry-level product for people who don't want, or don't 
know how, to do much scripting yet. It has nearly the same limitations 
that DC had, except that all database access is gone, and there's that 
backdrop. It doesn't "add" anything to the other editions (unless you 
want the templates.) It restricts behaviors that the other editions do have.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Mar  6 16:49:37 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 15:49:37 -0600
Subject: parallel sort question
In-Reply-To: <C031DCB6.35B70%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C031DCB6.35B70%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <440CAE71.1000904@hyperactivesw.com>

Jim Ault wrote:
> Sorting by another field.
> Parallel sort question
> 
> Is there an easy syntax for using the sort lines to do parallel sorting

There is nothing built-in, but I've used this:


local lKeyData, lLineCounter

on sortBy keyField -- parallel sorting of linked flds
   put fld keyField into lKeyData
   put "data1,data2,data3" into dataFields -- fill in your fld names here
   repeat with i = 1 to the number of items of dataFields
     put 0 into lLineCounter
     sort lines of fld (item i of dataFields) by key()
   end repeat
end sortBy

function key
   add 1 to lLineCounter
   return line lLineCounter of lKeyData
end key


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Mon Mar  6 16:57:15 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 13:57:15 -0800
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <440CADE9.5040800@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C031BF75.2CD52%kevin@runrev.com>
	<p06200702c032206295aa@10.0.1.201>
	<440C8FA9.6090708@hyperactivesw.com> <p06200701c0324e535a31@10.0.1.2>
	<440CADE9.5040800@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603061357r3090df0dn80eb7d0a480d2dfe@mail.gmail.com>

I thought this might add a bit of perspective if not humor to our
discussion.

I have a really good friend who is a semi-serious amateur photographer. He's
also pretty computer-savvy. A while back I introduced him to Rev and he's
been delightedly churning out apps for his use in his hobby, happy as a
clam. He bought Dreamcard.

When the new release came out and it became apparent that DC would no longer
be a viable product, it took him about 3 minutes to decide to upgrade to
Studio when the time comes to do that. I asked him how he made that
decision.

"Revolution Studio is cheaper than any camera or lens I own for my other
hobby. I don't make money at either. Part of the definition of a hobby is
something you enjoy pouring money into so you can see better and better
results. I've become something of a hobbyist programmer now and I want the
right tools for that job just like I want the right cameras and lenses. It's
a no-brainer."

This guy's not wealthy (he's retired) but he understands the value of the
right tool for the right job. I just thought that was a terribly sane way to
look at things.

And no I'll step aside and wait for the flamers to point out how little
money academia has, how unpredictable software strategies are and all the
rest.

:-)

Dan


From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Mon Mar  6 17:13:52 2006
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 23:13:52 +0100
Subject: No OpenStack ..... ! continued
Message-ID: <a483d0c9b323c2e4eac7d9321696ca11@wanadoo.fr>

Thanks to Rob, Charles  and Jacqueline for their counsel.

I finally read up the documentation on openStack !
  (I thought it would be the same as in HyperCard,
but no). It says "Put script in first card script" (strange
place to put it !). So I did, and now it works.

You learn every day .....

I have other problems moving to the PC platform,
which will possibly be the object of my next posts,
but .................. "one step at a time".

-Francis

"Nothing should ever be done for the first time".




From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Mon Mar  6 17:33:37 2006
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 14:33:37 -0800
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603061357r3090df0dn80eb7d0a480d2dfe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C031BF75.2CD52%kevin@runrev.com>
	<p06200702c032206295aa@10.0.1.201>	<440C8FA9.6090708@hyperactivesw.com>
	<p06200701c0324e535a31@10.0.1.2>	<440CADE9.5040800@hyperactivesw.com>
	<70ed6b130603061357r3090df0dn80eb7d0a480d2dfe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06200700c03267e75900@[10.0.1.2]>

Dan wrote:
--snip--

>
>This guy's not wealthy (he's retired) but he understands the value of the
>right tool for the right job. I just thought that was a terribly sane way to
>look at things.
>
>And no I'll step aside and wait for the flamers to point out how little
>money academia has, how unpredictable software strategies are and all the
>rest.
>
>:-)
>
>Dan

I've never had any complaints about DC or RR's prices. They seem 
reasonble. There's something about cyberspace... Too many people want 
something for nothing -- or very little. Maybe it's all those pirated 
Mp3s. If someone wants to produce a legal shareware clone of Studio 
for $10, it's a free county. Until then, supply and demand sets the 
price.

Software strategies have always been unpredictable. Heck, I'm still 
unhappy that it's no longer feasible for me to code my own web pages 
in some ancient version of HTML. Sure, it can still be done, but I'd 
miss out on too much functionality.

Do I get an emotional maturity award for this message?  ;-)

Tim


From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Mon Mar  6 17:37:39 2006
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 14:37:39 -0800
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <440CADE9.5040800@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C031BF75.2CD52%kevin@runrev.com>
	<p06200702c032206295aa@[10.0.1.201]>	<440C8FA9.6090708@hyperactivesw.com>
	<p06200701c0324e535a31@[10.0.1.2]> <440CADE9.5040800@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <p06200701c0326995bdc1@[10.0.1.201]>

>Timothy Miller wrote:
>
>>  I can't quite picture the "persistent backdrop." Is there a way to
>>  preview it?
>
>Choose "Backdrop" from the View menu. You can set the color via 
>script, or from the Preferences. Note that having a backdrop doesn't 
>prevent you from changing apps.
>

I guess I can live with that. I can't understand why this option 
would suddenly become mandatory in Media. What's the logic? Is it a 
subtle incentive for some users to upgrade to Studio?

>
>There is a chart here: <http://www.runrev.com/section/platform.php>


Thanks! I wish I could have found that myself, but there it is.

>
>If you buy Studio or Enterprise, you don't need Media. Media is 
>basically an entry-level product for people who don't want, or don't 
>know how, to do much scripting yet. It has nearly the same 
>limitations that DC had, except that all database access is gone, 
>and there's that backdrop. It doesn't "add" anything to the other 
>editions (unless you want the templates.) It restricts behaviors 
>that the other editions do have.
>

Okay, that's clear. I get it now.

Tim


From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Mon Mar  6 17:59:54 2006
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 16:59:54 -0600
Subject: How to preload sound files
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060306165805.0b25b008@exchange.slg.com>

I know I've seen this, but I can't remember where to find it.  Is there a 
command to buffer a sound file so the player can play it more quickly?

I'm trying to string together a bunch of mp3's and minimize the delays 
between one and the next one.  Any tips on this would be appreciated.

I have a player with a list of files in a custom property.  On a 
stopPlaying, I set the filename to the next one and then start the 
player.  Any better ways to do it?

Thanks!

Peter T. Evensen
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588 



From jhurley at infostations.com  Mon Mar  6 18:08:02 2006
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 15:08:02 -0800
Subject: Scrollbar to drag through a movie?
Message-ID: <p06230902c0326e5a90c0@[10.0.1.2]>

>
>Message: 16
>Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 17:52:24 +0100
>From: Klaus Major <klaus at major-k.de>
>Subject: Re: Scrollbar to drag through a movie?
>To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>Message-ID: <86AFD6BC-63DC-4A11-9B0A-DD3DDC2AF4F8 at major-k.de>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
>Hi Jim,
>
>>  Is is possible to drag smoothly through the video frames of a movie 
>>  using  a scrollbar?
>
>with version 2.6.1 this is only possible when the QT controller is 
>visible
>OR
>(if the controller is not visible) when the movie is already 
>playing...?!
>
>This was possible with earlier versions of Rev :-/
>
>But with Rev 2.7 this is possible again :-)
>
>Just set the startvalue of your slider to 0 and the endvalue to the 
>duration of the player...
>
>on scrollbardrag tValue
>    set the currenttime of player xyz to tValue
>end scrollbardrag
>
>C'est ca :-)
>
>>  I can drag to a current time and then start from that point, but I 
>>  would like to see the frames shuttle by as I drag the thumb.
>
>Hope that helps...
>
>>  Jim
>
>Regards
>
>Klaus Major
>klaus at major-k.de
>http://www.major-k.de
>
>*


Klaus,

Thanks. I have been using the handler you describe above, but there 
was never a picture that responds to the setting of the currentTime. 
Although the movie would "start" at the currentTime.

I'm not sure I know what you mean by "when the QT controller is 
visible." Is this a feature of RR?

I haven't taken the plunge into 2.7 as yet. Waiting for things to 
sort themselves out.

But I would appreciate it if someone would let me know whether RR has 
fixed the display problem in OS X. That is, whether the following 
stack runs as expected:

go  url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/DisplayProblemsOSX.rev"

Does the graphic move evenly across the screen or is the  motion 
herky-jerky? Same for the banner display?

Thanks,

Jim


From aturban at qwest.net  Mon Mar  6 18:16:04 2006
From: aturban at qwest.net (Arthur Urban)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 16:16:04 -0700
Subject: Functions out of the message path?
Message-ID: <440CC2B4.40909@qwest.net>

Is there a way to call a function in an object out of the message path? 
I'm surprised that there is no syntax for something like the following:

call DoSpecialCalculation( valueA, valueB ) of fld "Test"

and have the return value placed in the variable "it". Or even:

call into myLocalVar DoSpecialCalculation( valueA, valueB ) of fld "Test"

or better yet:

put DoSpecialCalculation( valueA, valueB ) of fld "Test" into myLocalVar

Thanx for any help!


From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Mon Mar  6 18:18:11 2006
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 17:18:11 -0600
Subject: Functions out of the message path?
In-Reply-To: <440CC2B4.40909@qwest.net>
References: <440CC2B4.40909@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060306171737.0b8a5808@exchange.slg.com>

Look at Value.  What you want is:

Value("DoSpecialCalculation(valueA, valueB)", fld "Test")

At 05:16 PM 3/6/2006, you wrote:
>Is there a way to call a function in an object out of the message path? 
>I'm surprised that there is no syntax for something like the following:
>
>call DoSpecialCalculation( valueA, valueB ) of fld "Test"
>
>and have the return value placed in the variable "it". Or even:
>
>call into myLocalVar DoSpecialCalculation( valueA, valueB ) of fld "Test"
>
>or better yet:
>
>put DoSpecialCalculation( valueA, valueB ) of fld "Test" into myLocalVar
>
>Thanx for any help!
>_______________________________________________
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>use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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Peter T. Evensen
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314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588 



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Mon Mar  6 18:19:30 2006
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 15:19:30 -0800
Subject: How to preload sound files
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20060306165805.0b25b008@exchange.slg.com>
Message-ID: <C0320382.34C37%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Peter T. Evensen wrote:

> I'm trying to string together a bunch of mp3's and minimize the delays
> between one and the next one.  Any tips on this would be appreciated.
> 
> I have a player with a list of files in a custom property.  On a
> stopPlaying, I set the filename to the next one and then start the
> player.  Any better ways to do it?

Before I go off on a rant about Rev audio (apparently Geoff Canyon has been
listening), I don't think there's much you can do natively about this.  I
know Trevor DeVore added a looping function to his enhancedQT external that
allows you to loop one track seamlessly in a player, however I'm not sure
this can be spread across multiple audio files.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Mon Mar  6 18:20:57 2006
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 16:20:57 -0700
Subject: Functions out of the message path?
In-Reply-To: <440CC2B4.40909@qwest.net>
References: <440CC2B4.40909@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <C1CC164B-A8E6-475E-B464-591CBECFC153@byu.edu>


On Mar 6, 2006, at 4:16 PM, Arthur Urban wrote:

> Is there a way to call a function in an object out of the message  
> path? I'm surprised that there is no syntax for something like the  
> following:
>
> call DoSpecialCalculation( valueA, valueB ) of fld "Test"
>
> and have the return value placed in the variable "it". Or even:
>
> call into myLocalVar DoSpecialCalculation( valueA, valueB ) of fld  
> "Test"
>
> or better yet:
>
> put DoSpecialCalculation( valueA, valueB ) of fld "Test" into  
> myLocalVar

Take a look at the value function. It will take as an argument an  
expression (handler or function)  and the object that contains the  
handler or function definition.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Mar  6 18:28:11 2006
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 15:28:11 -0800
Subject: How to preload sound files
In-Reply-To: <C0320382.34C37%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C0320382.34C37%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <0867C041-011E-4FCA-8F49-AB52ED24D74E@mangomultimedia.com>

On Mar 6, 2006, at 3:19 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Recently, Peter T. Evensen wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to string together a bunch of mp3's and minimize the  
>> delays
>> between one and the next one.  Any tips on this would be appreciated.
>>
>> I have a player with a list of files in a custom property.  On a
>> stopPlaying, I set the filename to the next one and then start the
>> player.  Any better ways to do it?
>
> Before I go off on a rant about Rev audio (apparently Geoff Canyon  
> has been
> listening), I don't think there's much you can do natively about  
> this.  I
> know Trevor DeVore added a looping function to his enhancedQT  
> external that
> allows you to loop one track seamlessly in a player, however I'm  
> not sure
> this can be spread across multiple audio files.

My solution in the EnhancedQT external only works for looping one  
file.  If you are using QT then you could try one of the following.   
I'm not sure if this will give you a seamless loop or not though.

1) Create a reference movie in QT if you have QT Player Pro.  Open QT  
Player and select File->New Player.  Open each mp3 file and copy and  
paste the contents from the mp3 into the new player.  Save the new  
player as a reference movie (an option when using Save As).  The  
reference movie will be very small as it only points to the mp3 files  
on disk.

2) Create a SMIL file.  Similar to the technique above but uses a  
SMIL file:

<http://www.apple.com/quicktime/technologies/interactivity/smil.html>


-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems - http://www.bluemangolearning.com
trevor at bluemangolearning.com




From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Mon Mar  6 18:41:02 2006
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 17:41:02 -0600
Subject: How to preload sound files
In-Reply-To: <0867C041-011E-4FCA-8F49-AB52ED24D74E@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <C0320382.34C37%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<0867C041-011E-4FCA-8F49-AB52ED24D74E@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060306173709.0b9aeb98@exchange.slg.com>

Thanks for all your suggestions, unfortunately the sequence of sound files 
is dynamically generated, so splicing them together ahead of time won't work.

I did just try a test where instead of using one player to sequentially 
play through the files, I tried interleaving the list between two 
players.  I load up player 1 with the first sound file and player 2 with 
the second.  In player 1's stopPlaying handler, I start Player 2 and then 
set the filename of player 1 to the third sound file.

This does give me better performance.  I'm not sure if this is sufficient, 
or if dynamically creating as players as I have sound files, and then 
firing them one by one, would give me even more performance.

Peter T. Evensen
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588 



From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Mon Mar  6 18:53:30 2006
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 17:53:30 -0600
Subject: How to preload sound files
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20060306173709.0b9aeb98@exchange.slg.com>
References: <C0320382.34C37%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<0867C041-011E-4FCA-8F49-AB52ED24D74E@mangomultimedia.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060306173709.0b9aeb98@exchange.slg.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060306175245.0b9f1090@exchange.slg.com>

Actually, I take this back.  The interleaving doesn't seem to buy me much 
(not sure why it did on the one test), but after restarting Rev and trying 
my test again, the interleaved and non-interleaved players come out almost 
identical :(.

At 05:41 PM 3/6/2006, you wrote:
>Thanks for all your suggestions, unfortunately the sequence of sound files 
>is dynamically generated, so splicing them together ahead of time won't work.
>
>I did just try a test where instead of using one player to sequentially 
>play through the files, I tried interleaving the list between two 
>players.  I load up player 1 with the first sound file and player 2 with 
>the second.  In player 1's stopPlaying handler, I start Player 2 and then 
>set the filename of player 1 to the third sound file.
>
>This does give me better performance.  I'm not sure if this is sufficient, 
>or if dynamically creating as players as I have sound files, and then 
>firing them one by one, would give me even more performance.
>
>Peter T. Evensen
>http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
>314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588
>_______________________________________________
>use-revolution mailing list
>use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>subscription preferences:
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Peter T. Evensen
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314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588 



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Mar  6 18:59:57 2006
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 15:59:57 -0800
Subject: How to preload sound files
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20060306173709.0b9aeb98@exchange.slg.com>
References: <C0320382.34C37%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<0867C041-011E-4FCA-8F49-AB52ED24D74E@mangomultimedia.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060306173709.0b9aeb98@exchange.slg.com>
Message-ID: <85BD7B30-B96F-44DA-8CA5-DB4FCE66DA19@mangomultimedia.com>

On Mar 6, 2006, at 3:41 PM, Peter T. Evensen wrote:

> Thanks for all your suggestions, unfortunately the sequence of  
> sound files is dynamically generated, so splicing them together  
> ahead of time won't work.

SMIL is plain text so it can be generated in Rev, output as a file to  
a temp directory and loaded into a player object.  Here is a sample  
that displays images on after the other, but like I said before, I'm  
not sure if you will get a seamless loop or not for audio.

SMILtext <smil xmlns:qt="http://www.apple.com/quicktime/resources/ 
smilextensions" qt:time-slider="true">
<head>
<layout>
<root-layout id="rootlayout" width="1280" height="960" />
<region id="image" width="1280" height="960" />
</layout>
</head>
<body>
<seq>
<img src="file:///Macintosh HD/Users/trevordevore/Pictures/Parkinson  
House/DSC00416.jpg" region="image" duration="3S" />
<img src="file:///Macintosh HD/Users/trevordevore/Pictures/Parkinson  
House/DSC00421.jpg" region="image" duration="3S" />
<img src="file:///Macintosh HD/Users/trevordevore/Pictures/Parkinson  
House/DSC00414.jpg" region="image" duration="3S" />
<img src="file:///Macintosh HD/Users/trevordevore/Pictures/Parkinson  
House/DSC00420.jpg" region="image" duration="3S" />
<img src="file:///Macintosh HD/Users/trevordevore/Pictures/Parkinson  
House/DSC00422.jpg" region="image" duration="3S" />
</seq>
</body>
</smil>


-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems - http://www.bluemangolearning.com
trevor at bluemangolearning.com




From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Mon Mar  6 19:05:24 2006
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 18:05:24 -0600
Subject: How to preload sound files
In-Reply-To: <85BD7B30-B96F-44DA-8CA5-DB4FCE66DA19@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <C0320382.34C37%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<0867C041-011E-4FCA-8F49-AB52ED24D74E@mangomultimedia.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060306173709.0b9aeb98@exchange.slg.com>
	<85BD7B30-B96F-44DA-8CA5-DB4FCE66DA19@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060306180328.0ba15730@exchange.slg.com>

Thanks!  I'm not familiar with SMIL.  I will have to check into this and 
run some tests.

In playing some more, my interleaved players do a better job on a 
network.  With a single player, it took 34 almost 35 seconds to play a 
string of 10 files.  With 2 interleaved players, it took 23 seconds, since 
the one player was loading the next file while the other was playing the 
previous file.

At 05:59 PM 3/6/2006, Trevor DeVore wrote:
>On Mar 6, 2006, at 3:41 PM, Peter T. Evensen wrote:
>
>>Thanks for all your suggestions, unfortunately the sequence of
>>sound files is dynamically generated, so splicing them together
>>ahead of time won't work.
>
>SMIL is plain text so it can be generated in Rev, output as a file to
>a temp directory and loaded into a player object.  Here is a sample
>that displays images on after the other, but like I said before, I'm
>not sure if you will get a seamless loop or not for audio.
>
>SMILtext <smil xmlns:qt="http://www.apple.com/quicktime/resources/ 
>smilextensions" qt:time-slider="true">
><head>
><layout>
><root-layout id="rootlayout" width="1280" height="960" />
><region id="image" width="1280" height="960" />
></layout>
></head>
><body>
><seq>
><img src="file:///Macintosh HD/Users/trevordevore/Pictures/Parkinson
>House/DSC00416.jpg" region="image" duration="3S" />
><img src="file:///Macintosh HD/Users/trevordevore/Pictures/Parkinson
>House/DSC00421.jpg" region="image" duration="3S" />
><img src="file:///Macintosh HD/Users/trevordevore/Pictures/Parkinson
>House/DSC00414.jpg" region="image" duration="3S" />
><img src="file:///Macintosh HD/Users/trevordevore/Pictures/Parkinson
>House/DSC00420.jpg" region="image" duration="3S" />
><img src="file:///Macintosh HD/Users/trevordevore/Pictures/Parkinson
>House/DSC00422.jpg" region="image" duration="3S" />
></seq>
></body>
></smil>
>
>
>--
>Trevor DeVore
>Blue Mango Learning Systems - http://www.bluemangolearning.com
>trevor at bluemangolearning.com
>
>
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Peter T. Evensen
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From davis.phil at comcast.net  Mon Mar  6 21:03:38 2006
From: davis.phil at comcast.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 18:03:38 -0800
Subject: How to preload sound files
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20060306165805.0b25b008@exchange.slg.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060306165805.0b25b008@exchange.slg.com>
Message-ID: <440CE9FA.70606@comcast.net>

Hi Peter,

Another approach is to load the files as URLs with the 'load' command, 
then set the player filename to each loaded url in succession. I don't 
know how the transition speed would be, but at least the player would be 
dealing with preloaded files. It might be fast enough.

I would probably use 'send... in' to run the loading handler, so I could 
make it load the next file only after the current one has started 
playing, but before it has completed.

Of course you might need to unload them too.

Phil Davis


Peter T. Evensen wrote:
> I know I've seen this, but I can't remember where to find it.  Is there 
> a command to buffer a sound file so the player can play it more quickly?
> 
> I'm trying to string together a bunch of mp3's and minimize the delays 
> between one and the next one.  Any tips on this would be appreciated.
> 
> I have a player with a list of files in a custom property.  On a 
> stopPlaying, I set the filename to the next one and then start the 
> player.  Any better ways to do it?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Peter T. Evensen
> http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
> 314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588
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> subscription preferences:
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  6 21:15:37 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 18:15:37 -0800
Subject: parallel sort question
In-Reply-To: <440CAE71.1000904@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C0322CC9.35BAC%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/6/06 1:49 PM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> Jim Ault wrote:
>> Sorting by another field.  Parallel sort question
>> Is there an easy syntax for using the sort lines to do parallel sorting
> 
> There is nothing built-in, but I've used this:
> local lKeyData, lLineCounter
> 
> on sortBy keyField -- parallel sorting of linked flds
>    put fld keyField into lKeyData
>    put "data1,data2,data3" into dataFields -- fill in your fld names here
>    repeat with i = 1 to the number of items of dataFields
>      put 0 into lLineCounter
>      sort lines of fld (item i of dataFields) by key()
>    end repeat
> end sortBy
> 
> function key
>    add 1 to lLineCounter
>    return line lLineCounter of lKeyData
> end key
> 
Thanks for the response.
In my current case, fld 2 has short, one-word 'tags', so
-----------
get fld listToSort
repeat with x = 1 to the number of lines in it
   put line x of fld 2 & " " before line x of it
end repeat
sort it descending by word 1 of each
repeat for each line LNN in it
   put word 2 to -1 of LNN & CR after finalOrder
end repeat
delete last char of finalOrder
put it into fld listToSort
---------
Which is fast enough for my very small data blocks.
My next task this evening is waaay more data to sort.

Thanks,

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From markgreenberg at cox.net  Mon Mar  6 21:55:55 2006
From: markgreenberg at cox.net (Mark Greenberg)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 19:55:55 -0700
Subject: In-line Fraction with Horizontal Line
Message-ID: <2051D937-8163-4405-A04C-5823B9B6E558@cox.net>

Fellow list members, I have a problem for which I can only find  
difficult or unsatisfactory solutions, and I was hoping you might  
have some suggestions.

I am making a stack to teach students math -- linear equations, to be  
more precise.  When I display the y = mx + b form, the best I can do  
to show a fraction in the m position is something like y = 4/5x + 2.   
This is ambiguous because it isn't clear what should be taken as the  
divisor, 5 or 5x or 5x + 2.  The math teacher for whom I am making  
the game would prefer a horizontal division line instead of a slash.

So far this is what I've thought of and rejected:

Use fonts that have fractions built in as one character.  No, because  
they have too few for the range of possible slopes I want to generate.

Force the numerals around as subscripts and superscripts until it is  
clear what the fraction is.  Messy and probably won't lead to success.

Use inline images.  Need too many images to cover possible slopes.

Write it y = (4/5)x + 2.  This is mathematically acceptable, but not  
the way the students will see it elsewhere.

Use a different 2-line field that moves according to the location of  
the fraction.  Hmm.. maybe.

I could use some help on this one.

	TIA,
		Mark


From got at mindspring.com  Mon Mar  6 22:08:57 2006
From: got at mindspring.com (Gordon Tillman)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 21:08:57 -0600
Subject: In-line Fraction with Horizontal Line
In-Reply-To: <2051D937-8163-4405-A04C-5823B9B6E558@cox.net>
References: <2051D937-8163-4405-A04C-5823B9B6E558@cox.net>
Message-ID: <12883229-8705-4543-ABCA-B60B0824B8C5@mindspring.com>

Mark it may be possible to generate an image on the fly of your  
equation and display that.  Also, if the kind folks at Altuit would  
update the altBrowser plugin to use the Gecko rendering engine (ala  
Firefox), you could use MathML and get *great* equation rendering!

--gordon


On Mar 6, 2006, at 20:55, Mark Greenberg wrote:

> Use inline images.  Need too many images to cover possible slopes.



From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Mon Mar  6 22:54:16 2006
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 14:24:16 +1030
Subject: GPS coordinates to metres
References: <2051D937-8163-4405-A04C-5823B9B6E558@cox.net>
	<12883229-8705-4543-ABCA-B60B0824B8C5@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <003001c6419a$cdfa2690$0502a8c0@fred>

Hi

Has anyone here done work with GPS coordinates. I have a set of coordinates 
and a point at the centre of my map. I need to convert these to metres 
relative to the centre of my map.

The coordinates are in the form:

Latitude        Longitude
37.29464     126.8324167
37.294642   126.832415
37.294642   126.832415
37.294642   126.8324133
37.294642   126.8324133


Thanks for any help with this one

Cheers

--

Monte Goulding                                      BCompSci
Sweat Technologies                      BAppSci (Hons)

InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
Download now from: http://www.sweattechnologies.com/InstallGadget 



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Mon Mar  6 22:56:13 2006
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 11:56:13 +0800
Subject: The End of Dreamcard? -- but life after death?
In-Reply-To: <3F15F503-FD60-41C4-B6EF-452F42623AF8@siphonophore.com>
References: <20060304180004.61437825BC8@mail.runrev.com>
	<3F15F503-FD60-41C4-B6EF-452F42623AF8@siphonophore.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160603061956n16f7a09dmc1d95bddf05e3f5a@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/5/06, jeffrey reynolds <jeff at siphonophore.com> wrote:
>
> Man i am feeling old... I created Apples first educational CD-ROM
> (Earth Explorer - a multimedia environmental encyclopedia for jr high
> kids)


 And I still have a copy of it! So if I can get you to sign it, what do you
reckon and original signed by the author copy of EE will fetch on eBay;-)

The other guys were pro programmers with degrees and
> much better programmers than me (i was a molecular biologist and self
> taught programmer).
>
> Boy did that get a laugh from the programming
> dept at first. but then they shut up when they realized that yes the
> prototype did just about everything that it needed to be done just
> fine


I love this story, it's making me go all 'Myst'y.

 I dont think Apple fully realized how much HC was a part of
> the success of Apple in general.


IMHO I don't think Apple were the only ones not to appreciate the true
brilliance of HC.

I think the lesson here is that there are options to make great stuff
> out of older things like stuff created in dreamcard.


I am still constantly amazed that HC refugees are still cropping up on this
list. I think the lesson here (and this list) is that there are an
incredible amount of extremely clever people out there with a mind-boggling
array of NEW ideas they'd like to turn into software, but programming is not
their idea of fun. HC went a long way in taking the 'pro' out of programming
but for many it still is hard work.

I think one hurdle is to 'educate' the masses that scripting is not as much
hard work as programing is.

Just my 2 shindarkles


From jrvalent at wisc.edu  Mon Mar  6 23:06:56 2006
From: jrvalent at wisc.edu (Rand Valentine)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 22:06:56 -0600
Subject: StackFormat and Stack Reversion
Message-ID: <92021A73-2693-4771-A555-753FCE8222F5@wisc.edu>

   Hi, all. Forgive a dumb question, I read the lists often, but  
often too miss days. I've tried to search on my question using the  
Google advanced search to search the list, but had no luck, which  
baffles me because I recall some discussion pertaining to my question.

   I got an update of DreamCard to 2.7, then promptly forgot about  
the backwards compatibility issues with the DreamCard Player, and  
StackRunner. I am teaching a class in Ojibwe and have developed many  
materials with DreamCard, which my students can then "play" with  
either player. But checking tonight, I noticed that neither the DC  
Player nor StackRunner can play 2.7 stacks, and I also noticed that  
there's not a Player update at the runrev site. Then I tried using  
the plug-in called StackFormat, and kept getting an error saying that  
there was a problem with the script but that the stack was locked, so  
I was out of luck there too. I tried to download an update of  
StackRunner, which it invited me to do. Upon update it vanished from  
my plugins menu. So I went and checked the plug-ins folder and found  
a _text-file_ called StackFormat. I tried to be clever and change its  
type to the type of other 2.7 stacks I have, but alas, no StackFormat  
anymore. So, several questions. A. Once you save a stack in 2.7  
format, there is no way to get it back to 2.6 (the only reason I use  
2.7 is because I prefer the helps format in it). B. Is there any  
documentation for StackFormat? C. What happened to StackFormat on  
update? By the way I use a Mac with the latest version of OS X. Thanks.

Rand Valentine
University of Wisconsin-Madison










From dan at tomlinweb.com  Mon Mar  6 23:21:31 2006
From: dan at tomlinweb.com (Dan Tomlin)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 23:21:31 -0500
Subject: Initialization Error
Message-ID: <C032747B.14B%dan@tomlinweb.com>

I'm new to developing programs, especially with revolution.
I am getting an error when trying to open up my "standalone" program in
Windows XP.  The error is as follows:
    Can't open file "C:/Revolution/Pubs/PubsMain.exe", error 0, 0

My development environment is Mac OS X 10.4, and I'm using revolution studio
2.7 along with altSQLite3.  I am trying to creating a standalone program to
run on a windows PC as well as a Mac.  My standalone settings include the
database support option (for altSQLite3, which I have purchased) and the
database libraries (have included all libraries but not sure if I need to).

When I open my program on my Mac, it connects to the database fine...

Please note that I have a "pre-stack" script that runs when the main stack
is opened to connect to the database and obtain the database ID.  It also
prompts the user with a message box saying it connected or had a problem,
but I don't get my message box.  Not sure if this is causing the problem...

Thanks, Dan

PS - anyone know why the slashes "/" are backwards in the error message?
The directory the program is in is actually c:\revolution\pubs....




From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  6 21:39:28 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 18:39:28 -0800
Subject: Functions out of the message path?
In-Reply-To: <440CC2B4.40909@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <C0323260.35BB4%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/6/06 3:16 PM, "Arthur Urban" <aturban at qwest.net> wrote:

> Is there a way to call a function in an object out of the message path?
> I'm surprised that there is no syntax for something like the following:
> 
> call DoSpecialCalculation( valueA, valueB ) of fld "Test"
> 
> and have the return value placed in the variable "it". Or even:
> 
> call into myLocalVar DoSpecialCalculation( valueA, valueB ) of fld "Test"
> 
> or better yet:
> 
> put DoSpecialCalculation( valueA, valueB ) of fld "Test" into myLocalVar
> 

This actually looks like two separate questions..
Answer One:
There is both a 'send' and a 'call' command in Rev.  Note the subtleties of
the 'call' command, but they are not really what you are looking for in the
cases you stated above.

Answer Two:
Here is one way to use the message path to your advantage
------
put 22 into valueA
put 33 into valueB 

insert the script of fld "Test" into back
put calcThisF( valueA , valueB ) into myLocalVar
remove the script of fld "Test" from back --or leave it there
answer myLocalVar
-----


Hope this helps.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From katir at hindu.org  Mon Mar  6 23:41:49 2006
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 18:41:49 -1000
Subject: 2.7 Linux Standalone Engine?
Message-ID: <A1C7E2E1-3850-4607-B9E4-3EAC8ACB9FE4@hindu.org>

Mission critical question:

is anyone successfully using the 2.7 standalone engine for Linux on  
the latest Fedora?

I have to upgrade to a new web server box and we really need the 2.7  
the linux standalone engine to run with Apache.. because our  
development now is in 2.7 and I can't deploy back end CGI stacks  
saved as 2.7 on OSX... (I can't even run them on my own box yet.

Of course we *can* install an older version of rev and use plain  
vanilla text.cgi files, but that is "soooo 2004"  (smile)

Sivakatirswami




From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Tue Mar  7 00:37:35 2006
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 05:37:35 +0000
Subject: FTP trouble uploading files/renaming folders
Message-ID: <440D1C1F.50400@cogapp.com>

Abstract: I've encountered two different problems uploading data over FTP - if
I could solve either of them, I'd have a working solution.  One applies only
on Windows, the other on both Mac and Windows - both seem to be independant of
the destination FTP server.

I'm trying to code a utility that needs to upload a folder of files to an FTP
server.  This has been well tested without any problems on Mac; on Windows,
however, I've run into a problem.

The basic sequence is:
	- check if the destination folder exists
	- if it doesn't, create it, upload all the files to it
	- if it does, then
	   - create a temporary folder
	   - upload all the files to the temporary folder
            - rename the existing folder to a backup
            - rename the temporary folder

The method of uploading files has essentially been
	put URL ("binfile:/xxxx") into URL ("ftp://xxx")

This works fine on Mac, given due attention to active/passive mode and timeout
settings; against a variety of Unix and Windows FTP servers.

On Windows (tested on Windows XP and Windows 2000) there's a consistent
result: the app can succesfully list directories and when necessary create
directories; when it comes to upload the file, however, the put command
returns with the result "requested".

It doesn't time out - the pattern is that a "STOR" command is isssued, the
server responds with either "150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for xxx",
or "125 Data connection already open; Transfer starting." (these are from two
different servers, one IIS on Windows, one ProFTPD on Unix).  In both cases
that's exactly what is seen when Revolution is running on Mac also.  However,
whereas on Mac this is then followed by a "226 Transfer complete", on Windows
the pattern seems to be a  'FIN ACK' packet, followed by an 'ACK', then a 'RST
ACK' - and the command returns "requested".  This happens immediately - it's
not related to the current timeout setting.

I could reproduce this with a trivial stack simply doing the one-off "put URL
binfile:x into URL ftp:y". command - it didn't need my full app doing it's
full thing to display exactly this behaviour.  The same result also was
obtained by splitting the task into two statements: "put URL binfile:x into z;
put z into URL ftp:y".

The files involved are just a few K; however, as an experiment, I tried
replacing the above statements with a "libURLftpUploadFile" command.  It
worked! So I made this change in my app.

Now the results are the same on both Mac and Windows.  In both cases, the
files are uploaded OK; but after all the files have been uploaded, the
*unchanged* code for renaming the folders fails.   The results are the same
whether Revolution is running on Mac or Windows; but they differ according to
the server.  The rename folder code executes a pair of libURLftpCommand
statements, a "RNFR" and a "RNTO".  In all cases (and this is presumably the
root of the problem) Revolution attempts to log into the FTP server again to
issue these commands, whereas when libURLftpUploadFile was not used, the
connection from the file uploads is also used for these commands.  The IIS FTP
server responds to the second log-in attempt by asking for the username and
password, then reporting that the user cannot log in.  The Unix FTP server
allows the second connection, accepts the RNFR command with "350 file exists",
but responds to the "RNTO" command with "503 Bad sequence of commands".  Then
both connections are closed.

So in summary:

1) doing
	put x into URL "ftp://y"
works when Rev is on Mac, fails when Rev is on Windows.

2) Using libURLftpUploadFile works on both platforms - but attempting to use
libURLftpCommand immediately after a sequence of libURLftpUploadFile
statements tries to open another connection, with unfortunate consequences.

Can anyone shed light on either of these problems?  Has anyone encountered 
similar problems; or conversely, attempted similar tasks without encountering 
such problems?

This is all in Rev 2.6.1, btw, with libURL 1.1.4.

TIA,

   Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
   Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
   http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866




From rishi at puredata.com.au  Tue Mar  7 00:42:12 2006
From: rishi at puredata.com.au (Rishi Viner)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 16:42:12 +1100
Subject: GPS coordinates to metres
In-Reply-To: <003001c6419a$cdfa2690$0502a8c0@fred>
References: <2051D937-8163-4405-A04C-5823B9B6E558@cox.net>
	<12883229-8705-4543-ABCA-B60B0824B8C5@mindspring.com>
	<003001c6419a$cdfa2690$0502a8c0@fred>
Message-ID: <200603071642.12215.rishi@puredata.com.au>

> Has anyone here done work with GPS coordinates. I have a set of coordinates
> and a point at the centre of my map. I need to convert these to metres
> relative to the centre of my map.
>
> The coordinates are in the form:
>
> Latitude        Longitude
> 37.29464     126.8324167
> 37.294642   126.832415
> 37.294642   126.832415
> 37.294642   126.8324133
> 37.294642   126.8324133

Looks like you have decimal degrees for lat/long. You'll pobably need to 
convert to degrees, minutes and seconds. (60 seconds in a minute etc). Then 
you could convert from coordinates to Universal Transverse Mercator (UTM) 
grid coordinates, which are in metres. Thats the fun part. Read up on 
geodetic datum conversions. (Simple concept intro here: 
http://www.biodiversity.ea.gov.au/erin/tools/geo2amg.html ).
There are various gov surveying web sites that explain the maths. Thats all I 
have time for now. Hope it helps,

-- 
Rishi 


From paulclaude at postino.it  Tue Mar  7 02:36:34 2006
From: paulclaude at postino.it (Paul Claude)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 08:36:34 +0100
Subject: Slow Dialogs in Rev 2.7
In-Reply-To: <440C95BC.9040009@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C032F692.4040%paulclaude@postino.it>

Mac Os X 10.4.4, on a Mac G4 400mhz, and Rev. 2.7. It's incredible, but all
the dialogs are deadly slow; 10 seconds at least, for every dialog (user
dialogs and Rev. internal dialogs)

Greetings

Paul Claude


on 6-03-2006 21:04, J. Landman Gay at jacque at hyperactivesw.com wrote:

> It works fine for me here, no delays at all. What OS are you using, and
> what version of Revolution?




From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Mar  7 03:01:59 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 02:01:59 -0600
Subject: In-line Fraction with Horizontal Line
In-Reply-To: <2051D937-8163-4405-A04C-5823B9B6E558@cox.net>
Message-ID: <C0329A17.3717F%kray@sonsothunder.com>

> I could use some help on this one.

You can use the "textShift" property to move text above/below the baseline.
For example, make a field with 24 point font (I used Lucida Grande but you
can use what you want), and set the fixedLineHeight of the field to true.

Enter the equation like this:

y =  4 x + 2
       5

(that's 7 spaces before the "5" on the second line, and note there are 2
spaces between the "=" and the "4" on the first line)

Then open the message box and type these commands:

  set the textShift of char 1 to 3 of line 1 of fld 1 to 9
  set the textShift of char 8 to 12 of line 1 of fld 1 to 9
  set the textStyle of char 5 to 7 of line 1 of fld 1 to underline
  set the textShift of char 8 of line 2 of fld 1 to -9

You get the idea... play around with the textShift and the margins of the
field, and you should get something you like.

HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Mar  7 03:57:32 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 09:57:32 +0100
Subject: Scrollbar to drag through a movie?
In-Reply-To: <p06230902c0326e5a90c0@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <p06230902c0326e5a90c0@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <F892AD4E-38BE-40BF-8427-44AB0A229239@major-k.de>

Hi Jim,

> Klaus,
>
> Thanks. I have been using the handler you describe above, but there  
> was never a picture that responds to the setting of the  
> currentTime. Although the movie would "start" at the currentTime.
>
> I'm not sure I know what you mean by "when the QT controller is  
> visible." Is this a feature of RR?

you can check "Controler" in the inspector for the player, and that  
is a QT only feature.
That one checked is what I mean by "when the QT controller is  
visible." :-)

> I haven't taken the plunge into 2.7 as yet. Waiting for things to  
> sort themselves out.
>
> But I would appreciate it if someone would let me know whether RR  
> has fixed the display problem in OS X. That is, whether the  
> following stack runs as expected:
>
> go  url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/DisplayProblemsOSX.rev"
>
> Does the graphic move evenly across the screen or is the  motion  
> herky-jerky?
> Same for the banner display?

Tried it on my 1 Ghz G4 Mac and the motion is ehmm... immediate (the  
graphic is here and then
there at once) and so is the banner, the text suddenly appears  
without the "OS X fix"

> Thanks,
>
> Jim

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Mar  7 04:03:35 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 10:03:35 +0100
Subject: How to preload sound files
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20060306180328.0ba15730@exchange.slg.com>
References: <C0320382.34C37%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<0867C041-011E-4FCA-8F49-AB52ED24D74E@mangomultimedia.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060306173709.0b9aeb98@exchange.slg.com>
	<85BD7B30-B96F-44DA-8CA5-DB4FCE66DA19@mangomultimedia.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060306180328.0ba15730@exchange.slg.com>
Message-ID: <881A976D-59E6-430B-8FDF-A6B407ABC7CF@major-k.de>

Hi Peter,

> Thanks!  I'm not familiar with SMIL.  I will have to check into  
> this and run some tests.

then you should download my little "mk_libsmil1" stack, that will  
create a SMIL file on the fly for you
and then check if the performance is better...

Get it from my homepage <http://www.major-k.de/xtalke.html> or via  
Rev online (klausimausi :-)

> In playing some more, my interleaved players do a better job on a  
> network.  With a single player, it took 34 almost 35 seconds to  
> play a string of 10 files.  With 2 interleaved players, it took 23  
> seconds, since the one player was loading the next file while the  
> other was playing the previous file.

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Tue Mar  7 05:02:40 2006
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 10:02:40 +0000
Subject: Read from StnIn from POST is still broken?
In-Reply-To: <15617E38-D029-47C3-99AE-CF741F3BBEE3@runrev.com>
References: <4C75D513-0510-4D8B-B0F5-158C1D6E1884@hindu.org>
	<15617E38-D029-47C3-99AE-CF741F3BBEE3@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <CBCEA9C4-A75E-4AF7-896A-C0DA156C6FCA@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 6 Mar 2006, at 10:17, Mark Waddingham wrote:

> Hi Sivakatirswami,
>
>> Linux web server, Apache, call Rev CGI to receive incoming Post  
>> Data.  Beginning lines of script to read the incoming data -- see  
>> below (suggested as a possible fix years ago by Scott Raney)
>>
>> (musings... it is possible that this is a client side problem?
>> --machine A with browser B cannot in fact encode large chunks of  
>> data and the name=value pair actually arrive to the server already  
>> truncated.. meanwhile
>> -- box C with browser D submits a large text chunk from the same  
>> form and it arrive just fine: result Rev get blamed for being  
>> intermittent failures... but he's really not the bad guy.
>>
>> on startup
>> if $REQUEST_METHOD is "POST" then
>>     put "" into PostIn
>>     repeat until length(PostIn) >= $CONTENT_LENGTH
>>         read from stdin until ""
>>             put it after PostIn
>>       end repeat
>>     put  urlDecode (PostIn)  into tDataIn
>>
>>     split tDataIn by "&" and "="
>>     put keys(tDataIn) into tFields
>>
>> .....etc.
>
> There is no reason I can see (engine-side) as to why post data  
> should get truncated. That being said, however, you should ensure  
> that you pass '-ui' to the revolution engine when running as a CGI.

Has that option always been there?? And does it mean we don't need a  
Darwin engine to run on OS X?


>
> (i.e. the first line of a cgi script should be:
>   #! /<path to rev cgi>/revolution -ui
>
> [ The -ui option alters a few things internally, in particular  
> disables attempts to create any GUIs and enables stdin/stdout on  
> systems - such as Win32 - which don't by default have these enabled ]

Does using the -ui option on Win32 work with IIS? I was under the  
impression that the #! line wasn't read by IIS and it links the  
script to an executable using its own settings.

Dave


From katir at hindu.org  Tue Mar  7 04:42:50 2006
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 23:42:50 -1000
Subject: DRM for Images and Text in Stacks
Message-ID: <A485213A-7F19-4244-891B-CCD0CBB9C7B6@hindu.org>

Dream with me for a moment:

Revolution Players of various shapes and flavors have become as  
ubiquitous as copies of Acrobat Reader. The Revolution IDE is  
deployed to the same number of seats as Acrobat Professional.

Enter new problem:  Digital Rights Management: how to protect images  
and text in fields in stacks that are *not* standalones from theft by  
others who have the IDE. If you have ever set security on an Acrobat  
file, e.g. the "cannot extract images" option, even someone with  
Acrobat professional (the "IDE" for pdf's)  will find that the option  
to extract images is dimmed. (Our managing editor who deals with  
photographers is all over this business)  Of course  Adobe  has a  
disclaimer saying that their may still be ways people can hack the  
PDF, but it certainly would not be a trivial task.

Not so for a Rev stack. If you deployed a rich media library as  
stacks that  had copyright images stored in a substack, even if one  
sets a password on a stack, any other developer could open substack  
"image library" and go through the cards with the images on them in  
the application browser. We would not be able to tell our

very-adamant-that-my-images-are-not-leaked-into-the-public-domain  
photographer or
hot-new-york-news-com-agency-with-litigious-lawyers.

that we had adequately protected their images in our product. I  
believe that even a very inexpensive "Dream Card"  IDE, or whatever  
it will be called this week or next, will open such a stack and have  
access to all cards in all substacks. So, right now we can make such  
claims fairly confidently for distribution of a rich media  
"experience" via an interactive PDF, but I would like to be able to  
do the same for a Rev stack, without having to turn each and every  
instance of a stack containing such content into a standalone.

I may be missing something, but, unlike Supercard, where, if I recall  
correctly, you could  lock up a stack such that even in the dev  
environment, it could not be opened without a password, this cannot  
be  done in Revolution. Anyone with an IDE license can open any  
stack... all that we can block is access to scripts and custom  
properties. Or, am I missing something?

Related question: Assuming we could lock up a substack image library  
(which I will put in as a feature request, if it is not  possible  
today) and then simply display those images  programatically on the  
fly, are their ways to block screen shots from within Revolution? We  
may tell the photographer "They are just 72 dpi's, don't worry" but a  
screen shot of an image  that fills the entire screen might be taken  
and output at a high enough resolution that he had reason to worry. I  
see the stunning full screen experience of  "If Monks Had Macs" (Yes  
they do.. just come visit us...) and I am immediately struck by the  
problem we would face if we used an image from our top Hinduism Today  
photographers in such a context.

This is already an issue for us: we have tons of commissioned art  
work from India that we put on the web and it is now "everywhere!"   
on literally hundreds of other web sites. Fortunately we own the  
rights to all that imagery and we really have no interest in guarding  
it and we get the occasional request to reprint in the  old ink-on- 
paper world which we grant for a small fee. But for Hinduism Today  
magazine content, it's a totally different ball game. We have "one  
time usage" for most images.. (various flavors of rights...) And I  
don't know that Keynote or Powerpoint presentations, or Quicktime  
movies (as slide shows) of such content can be "locked" up either...  
(these being the other  options we have for deploying rich media  
content)

If we *could* get some strong DRM going inside Revolution, it  would  
really open up a whole  new realm for a more professional level of  
media deployment. Our top photographer is very protective and I don't  
have good answers for him.

I suppose a plug in might also do the job? Chris... do we see another  
product from  Altuit?

"RevContentSecurityManager"

Am I the only one who ever thought about this issue? I would like to  
experiment with a kind of "Ajax" rich media experience were we  
deliver a player which then starts talking to the web server and  
delivering substacks etc. caching some onto the  user's hard drive,  
pulling live feeds off the server... the model would be fairly open  
in the sense that the stacks could be easily pulled off the web by  
anyone,  but  without  some strong DRM, we would  keep hitting walls  
where we can't deploy certain kinds of content crucial to the concept.

Insights anyone?

Sivakatirswami
Himalayan Academy Publications
at Kauai's Hindu Monastery
katir at hindu.org
www.HimalayanAcademy.com,
www.HinduismToday.com



From Cubist at aol.com  Tue Mar  7 07:43:27 2006
From: Cubist at aol.com (Cubist at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 07:43:27 EST
Subject: In-line Fraction with Horizontal Line
Message-ID: <2fa.865a.313ed9ef@aol.com>

In a message dated 3/6/06 6:57:10 PM, Mark Greenberg <markgreenberg at cox.net> 
writes:
>Fellow list members, I have a problem for which I can only find  
>difficult or unsatisfactory solutions, and I was hoping you might  
>have some suggestions.
>
>I am making a stack to teach students math -- linear equations, to be 
>more precise.  When I display the y = mx + b form, the best I can do  
>to show a fraction in the m position is something like y = 4/5x + 2.  
>
>This is ambiguous because it isn't clear what should be taken as the  
>divisor, 5 or 5x or 5x + 2.  The math teacher for whom I am making  
>the game would prefer a horizontal division line instead of a slash.
>
>So far this is what I've thought of and rejected:
>
>Use fonts that have fractions built in as one character.  No, because 
>they have too few for the range of possible slopes I want to generate.
   [nods] Yep. It's possible for you to write your code so that the only 
fractions that would show up are those which appear in a particular font... but 
that's clearly *not* one of the better approaches.

>Force the numerals around as subscripts and superscripts until it is  
>clear what the fraction is.  Messy and probably won't lead to success.
   Hmmm... maybe. The real question is, what would you do for the horizontal 
division line?

>Use inline images.  Need too many images to cover possible slopes.
   Not necessarily! Remember, you can use the "snapshot" function to build 
new images on the fly. Presumably, these images won't be particularly large, so 
it's at least worth trying to see if it would be fast enough.

>Write it y = (4/5)x + 2.  This is mathematically acceptable, but not  
>the way the students will see it elsewhere.
   [nods] You may or may not want to include this as an optional way to 
display the equations. Other than that, fuggeddaboutit.

>Use a different 2-line field that moves according to the location of  
>the fraction.  Hmm.. maybe.
   As long as you know (or can determine) where the fraction is going to be 
displayed on the card, this is a more than adequate way to go.


From wouter.abraham at scarlet.be  Tue Mar  7 08:50:09 2006
From: wouter.abraham at scarlet.be (Wouter)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 14:50:09 +0100
Subject: DRM for Images and Text in Stacks
In-Reply-To: <A485213A-7F19-4244-891B-CCD0CBB9C7B6@hindu.org>
References: <A485213A-7F19-4244-891B-CCD0CBB9C7B6@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <D30513D5-2D48-4132-998A-56C638AF7D8F@scarlet.be>

Hi Sivakatirswami,

On 07 Mar 2006, at 10:42, Sivakatirswami wrote:

> Dream with me for a moment:

-snip-

> Insights anyone?

A possibility to "protect" your images is to encrypt them using  a  
blowfish or another algo (included in the enterprise version) and put  
the result into fields or custom props (or whatever container of your  
choice). The code to deencrypt this pictures and place them in their  
respective image containers is kept in the password protected stack.
The necessary key to deencrypt when loading a encrypted pict stack:
   - may be "burried" somewhere in the stack (or somewhere else)
   - must be supplied (dialog box or internet connection)
The last system will need the most time to crack.
So there is no real need for a special plugin.

>
> Sivakatirswami

Greetings,
Wouter


From psahores at easynet.fr  Tue Mar  7 08:50:37 2006
From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 14:50:37 +0100
Subject: GPS coordinates to metres
In-Reply-To: <003001c6419a$cdfa2690$0502a8c0@fred>
References: <2051D937-8163-4405-A04C-5823B9B6E558@cox.net>
	<12883229-8705-4543-ABCA-B60B0824B8C5@mindspring.com>
	<003001c6419a$cdfa2690$0502a8c0@fred>
Message-ID: <1B9B88A1-A7F3-4790-8761-832C54BDE40E@easynet.fr>

Hello Monte,

Do you mean the "centroid" or the "center" of you map ?

Wait for your response before more Hala, the very kindly GIS expert  
and friend i work with, will respond directly about this all.

Kind Regards,

Pierre

> Hi
>
> Has anyone here done work with GPS coordinates. I have a set of  
> coordinates and a point at the centre of my map. I need to convert  
> these to metres relative to the centre of my map.
>
> The coordinates are in the form:
>
> Latitude        Longitude
> 37.29464     126.8324167
> 37.294642   126.832415
> 37.294642   126.832415
> 37.294642   126.8324133
> 37.294642   126.8324133
>
>
> Thanks for any help with this one
>
> Cheers
>
> --
>
> Monte Goulding                                      BCompSci
> Sweat Technologies                      BAppSci (Hons)
>
> InstallGadget - How to create an installer in 10 seconds
> Download now from: http://www.sweattechnologies.com/InstallGadget
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From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Tue Mar  7 09:30:10 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 14:30:10 +0000
Subject: Latest Version of RunRev for Mac OS 9???
In-Reply-To: <A1C7E2E1-3850-4607-B9E4-3EAC8ACB9FE4@hindu.org>
References: <A1C7E2E1-3850-4607-B9E4-3EAC8ACB9FE4@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <20DE9628-A814-453F-920E-2069CD3E198E@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

Could someone tell me the latest version of RunRev for MacOS 9 and  
where I can download it?

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave



From mikeythek at gmail.com  Tue Mar  7 09:47:12 2006
From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 09:47:12 -0500
Subject: The End of Dreamcard? -- but life after death?
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160603061956n16f7a09dmc1d95bddf05e3f5a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20060304180004.61437825BC8@mail.runrev.com>
	<3F15F503-FD60-41C4-B6EF-452F42623AF8@siphonophore.com>
	<f73a98160603061956n16f7a09dmc1d95bddf05e3f5a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9b408d8e0603070647m3a5ffba9t199d93221e91d9df@mail.gmail.com>

> I am still constantly amazed that HC refugees are still cropping up on this
> list. I think the lesson here (and this list) is that there are an
> incredible amount of extremely clever people out there with a mind-boggling
> array of NEW ideas they'd like to turn into software, but programming is not
> their idea of fun. HC went a long way in taking the 'pro' out of programming
> but for many it still is hard work.

Yeah, well, I have been a programmer for 30 years (took my first
college-level class when I was in grade school), and have a BA in CS. 
Yet HT and by extension XT are by far my favorite languages. 
Something is clearly wrong with me.

--
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From wlists at fireworksmm.com  Tue Mar  7 10:05:48 2006
From: wlists at fireworksmm.com (Wally Rodriguez)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 10:05:48 -0500
Subject: Latest Version of RunRev for Mac OS 9???
In-Reply-To: <20DE9628-A814-453F-920E-2069CD3E198E@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <A1C7E2E1-3850-4607-B9E4-3EAC8ACB9FE4@hindu.org>
	<20DE9628-A814-453F-920E-2069CD3E198E@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <581E817A-2FA2-4E55-B1A3-C70E39B69303@fireworksmm.com>

There is an OS9 engine for 2.6.1, but I don't know off the top of my  
head which was the last full version for OS9.

go to www.runrev.com and choose downloads to find out...

W.

On Mar 7, 2006, at 9:30 AM, David Burgun wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Could someone tell me the latest version of RunRev for MacOS 9 and  
> where I can download it?
>
> Thanks a lot
> All the Best
> Dave



From JimCarwardine at OwnYourFuture-net.com  Tue Mar  7 10:05:46 2006
From: JimCarwardine at OwnYourFuture-net.com (Jim Carwardine)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 11:05:46 -0400
Subject: Latest Version of RunRev for Mac OS 9???
In-Reply-To: <20DE9628-A814-453F-920E-2069CD3E198E@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <C033198A.AD8A%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>

Hi Dave... It's Rev 2.6.1 and you have to ask Heather directly.  It's
doubtful that 2.7 or later will get to OS 9... Jim

on 3/7/06 10:30 AM, David Burgun wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Could someone tell me the latest version of RunRev for MacOS 9 and
> where I can download it?
> 
> Thanks a lot
> All the Best
> Dave
> 
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From gefisher at mac.com  Tue Mar  7 09:39:54 2006
From: gefisher at mac.com (Glenn E. Fisher)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 08:39:54 -0600
Subject: Math equations
Message-ID: <AAEF1E07-555E-4902-A06A-494D627959BB@mac.com>

Mark,
You wrote:
> I am making a stack to teach students math -- linear equations, to be
> more precise.  When I display the y = mx + b form, the best I can do
> to show a fraction in the m position is something like y = 4/5x + 2.
> This is ambiguous because it isn't clear what should be taken as the
> divisor, 5 or 5x or 5x + 2.  The math teacher for whom I am making
> the game would prefer a horizontal division line instead of a slash.
>
> So far this is what I've thought of and rejected:
>
> Use fonts that have fractions built in as one character.  No, because
> they have too few for the range of possible slopes I want to generate.
>
> Force the numerals around as subscripts and superscripts until it is
> clear what the fraction is.  Messy and probably won't lead to success.
>
> Use inline images.  Need too many images to cover possible slopes.
>
> Write it y = (4/5)x + 2.  This is mathematically acceptable, but not
> the way the students will see it elsewhere.
>
> Use a different 2-line field that moves according to the location of
> the fraction.  Hmm.. maybe.
>
> I could use some help on this one.
>
> 	TIA,
> 		Mark
>
I have done this in the past (HyperCard days) with more complex  
equations than just linear which would simplify the scripting  
necessary.  The secret is doing the spacing of the numerator and  
denominator above and below a horizontal line of the equation in the  
center.  If you need some help scripting it just send me email off  
list and I'll help.

Have fun,
Glenn



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Mar  7 10:40:42 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 09:40:42 -0600
Subject: DRM for Images and Text in Stacks
In-Reply-To: <A485213A-7F19-4244-891B-CCD0CBB9C7B6@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <C033059A.371B8%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/7/06 3:42 AM, "Sivakatirswami" <katir at hindu.org> wrote:

> Not so for a Rev stack. If you deployed a rich media library as
> stacks that  had copyright images stored in a substack, even if one
> sets a password on a stack, any other developer could open substack
> "image library" and go through the cards with the images on them in
> the application browser.

You could do this: for each image that needs to be displayed on the card in
the substack, put the imageData of the image(s) into custom properties of
the card, encrypted with 'base64encode' or compressed with 'compress' (or
use a custom algorithm of your own), and then set the imageData of the image
objects themselves to empty. Then, only when running in your standalone,
unencrypt/decompress and pipe the imagedata from the custom props back into
the image objects on preOpenCard. Make sure the custom property name and the
actual object to which it is associated have different names or identifiers.
Then encrypt the stacks.

This way, the image data is safe from prying eyes (people would only see the
raw image data when looking at it with the Rev IDE's inspector), and since
the stack is encrypted and the custom prop and image objects have no obvious
connection, it would be difficult to figure out which image data goes with
which object and even if they could, the data is encrypted or compressed so
it's not a simple act of "set the imageData of img 1 to <prop>".

Here's a simple example using compress/decompress:

SETUP:
set the uStuff of this card to compress(the imageData of img 1)
put "" into img 1

PLAYBACK:
set the imageData of img 1 to decompress(the uStuff of this card)

Hope this helps,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From rcozens at pon.net  Tue Mar  7 10:49:00 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 07:49:00 -0800
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <p06200701c0326995bdc1@[10.0.1.201]>
References: <C031BF75.2CD52%kevin@runrev.com>
	<p06200702c032206295aa@[10.0.1.201]>	<440C8FA9.6090708@hyperactivesw.com>
	<p06200701c0324e535a31@[10.0.1.2]>
	<440CADE9.5040800@hyperactivesw.com>
	<p06200701c0326995bdc1@[10.0.1.201]>
Message-ID: <E504825F-ADF1-11DA-B5A3-0030657E1638@pon.net>


Hi Timothy,

>> Choose "Backdrop" from the View menu. You can set the color via 
>> script, or from the Preferences. Note that having a backdrop doesn't 
>> prevent you from changing apps.
>>
>
> I guess I can live with that. I can't understand why this option would 
> suddenly become mandatory in Media. What's the logic? Is it a subtle 
> incentive for some users to upgrade to Studio?
>

My foolesh guess is Media is positioned as a presentation 
builder/presenter al la Power Point.

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)





From rcozens at pon.net  Tue Mar  7 10:49:16 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 07:49:16 -0800
Subject: No OpenStack ..... ! continued
In-Reply-To: <a483d0c9b323c2e4eac7d9321696ca11@wanadoo.fr>
References: <a483d0c9b323c2e4eac7d9321696ca11@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <EEB34740-ADF1-11DA-B5A3-0030657E1638@pon.net>

Morning Francis,

> I have other problems moving to the PC platform,
>

The main issue I had was created by moving uncompressed stacks from Mac 
to PC.

Once I began compressing stacks on the Mac & decompressing on my TPC, 
all but minor problems went away.

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)





From rcozens at pon.net  Tue Mar  7 10:49:27 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 07:49:27 -0800
Subject: Progress Reporting When Building Standalones
In-Reply-To: <440C8F0A.6000309@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C4029E5E-AD36-11DA-98F7-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<440C8F0A.6000309@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <F5282DFC-ADF1-11DA-B5A3-0030657E1638@pon.net>

> The long time it takes to do a build might be due to the content of 
> your stack, but also there can be a big delay if you have the 
> standalone builder set to scan for inclusions. If you uncheck the box 
> "search for required inclusions" and instead check the box "select 
> inclusions" the time it takes to build can be dramatically reduced.
>
>

Thanks for the tip, Jacque.

In this case there are no inclusions.

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)




From rcozens at pon.net  Tue Mar  7 10:49:49 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 07:49:49 -0800
Subject: Database for Rev Media?
In-Reply-To: <440CADE9.5040800@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C031BF75.2CD52%kevin@runrev.com>
	<p06200702c032206295aa@[10.0.1.201]>
	<440C8FA9.6090708@hyperactivesw.com>
	<p06200701c0324e535a31@[10.0.1.2]>
	<440CADE9.5040800@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <0292BC96-ADF2-11DA-B5A3-0030657E1638@pon.net>


Jacque, et al...[Andre G., you might know]:

> > Will Media support all the commands, functions, properties and
> > containers presently supported by Dreamcard, except for external
> > database-related stuff?
>
> Yes, pretty much. It is the same engine, with a few behavioral 
> limitations.
>

Since I'm using Studio already, I have not looked into the features and 
limitations of Media.

* Since SDB uses no externals, just db stacks & a library stack, could 
it work as a single-user db engine for Media?

* Does Media support socket commands [in which case client/server SDB 
might even be a possibility]?

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)





From devin_asay at byu.edu  Tue Mar  7 11:12:39 2006
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 09:12:39 -0700
Subject: Initialization Error
In-Reply-To: <C032747B.14B%dan@tomlinweb.com>
References: <C032747B.14B%dan@tomlinweb.com>
Message-ID: <97F8E91E-FF25-4CBE-A051-2858F1B3F247@byu.edu>


On Mar 6, 2006, at 9:21 PM, Dan Tomlin wrote:

> I'm new to developing programs, especially with revolution.
> I am getting an error when trying to open up my "standalone"  
> program in
> Windows XP.  The error is as follows:
>     Can't open file "C:/Revolution/Pubs/PubsMain.exe", error 0, 0
>
> My development environment is Mac OS X 10.4, and I'm using  
> revolution studio
> 2.7 along with altSQLite3.  I am trying to creating a standalone  
> program to
> run on a windows PC as well as a Mac.  My standalone settings  
> include the
> database support option (for altSQLite3, which I have purchased)  
> and the
> database libraries (have included all libraries but not sure if I  
> need to).
<snip>

There has been some recent discussion on the list concerning problems  
moving standalones between Mac and PC platforms. Others have reported  
greater success by first compressing (with zip, eg.) the standalone  
files, transferring them and uncompressing them. I do this routinely  
and it seems to work.
>
>
> PS - anyone know why the slashes "/" are backwards in the error  
> message?
> The directory the program is in is actually c:\revolution\pubs....

Revolution uses the "/" character for directory delimiters regardless  
of the platform. When it talks to the OS it translates them as needed.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Tue Mar  7 11:25:03 2006
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 17:25:03 +0100
Subject: Sheet command
Message-ID: <06531BFC-D2BD-4DA1-BA5C-212459DC58C8@skynet.be>

Hi list,

Working on mac OS X, I'd like to to something like :

go to cd "xyz" of stack "abc" as sheet in stack "parentstack B"

It doesn't work
Is there a way to do it ?

The parentstack parameter seems only to work with something like
sheet stack  "abc" in stack "parentstack B"



Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Tue Mar  7 11:39:39 2006
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 10:39:39 -0600
Subject: And the sound player winner is...
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060307102844.030c20e8@exchange.slg.com>

Well, I tried SMIL, the two interleaved players, and a single player to 
play a list of 10 mp3s.  Here are my results.

Single player: 25.5 seconds local, 47.9-164.2 seconds from a network
2 interleaved: 19.1 seconds local, 19.1-19.9 seconds from a network
SMIL: 17.2 seconds local, 17.1-17.8 second from a network (however not all 
the sounds played).

SMIL played the files most seamlessly when the files were on the local 
machine; however, if the files were stored on a mounted drive, the first 
sound file played, then the subsequent files did NOT play, but there was a 
pause, until it caught up and then started playing the remainder of the 
files, which just won't work.  If I played the SMIL file a second time, it 
would play as expected, but playing it twice is not a solution.

These tests were done in Rev on XP using a drive mounted from my OS X machine.

Just thought I would share my results.

I guess I will stick with using two players and interleave them, so that 
one is loading the next file while the other one is playing the previous 
sound.  I was thinking of adding a call back to each player so I start 
playing the next sound even before I get the playingStopped on current 
player, to tighten things up even more.

Peter T. Evensen
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588 



From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Tue Mar  7 12:01:39 2006
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 11:01:39 -0600
Subject: callbacks
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060307110108.030a4598@exchange.slg.com>

Do callbacks ONLY work on movies?  It appears so.  I setup a call back on a 
player that is playing an MP3 file, and it never fired...

Peter T. Evensen
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588 



From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Mar  7 12:10:56 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 18:10:56 +0100
Subject: callbacks
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20060307110108.030a4598@exchange.slg.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060307110108.030a4598@exchange.slg.com>
Message-ID: <FF0E6E5E-549A-4A88-BF3C-8A24A6B1A4E0@major-k.de>

Hi Peter,

> Do callbacks ONLY work on movies?  It appears so.  I setup a call  
> back on a player that is playing an MP3 file, and it never fired...

just did a quick test here and works fine with MP3s, even in Rev 2.7 ;-)

Did you doublecheck your code?

> Peter T. Evensen
> http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
> 314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Tue Mar  7 12:13:22 2006
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 11:13:22 -0600
Subject: callbacks
In-Reply-To: <FF0E6E5E-549A-4A88-BF3C-8A24A6B1A4E0@major-k.de>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060307110108.030a4598@exchange.slg.com>
	<FF0E6E5E-549A-4A88-BF3C-8A24A6B1A4E0@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060307111248.05006d48@exchange.slg.com>

No, I didn't.  I was using a tab as the separator between the time index 
instead of a comma, doh!  Of course I discovered that after I sent the 
message. :(

At 11:10 AM 3/7/2006, you wrote:
>Hi Peter,
>
>>Do callbacks ONLY work on movies?  It appears so.  I setup a call
>>back on a player that is playing an MP3 file, and it never fired...
>
>just did a quick test here and works fine with MP3s, even in Rev 2.7 ;-)
>
>Did you doublecheck your code?
>
>>Peter T. Evensen
>>http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
>>314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588
>
>Regards
>
>Klaus Major
>klaus at major-k.de
>http://www.major-k.de
>
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Peter T. Evensen
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588 



From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Tue Mar  7 12:18:22 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 09:18:22 -0800
Subject: And the sound player winner is...
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20060307102844.030c20e8@exchange.slg.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060307102844.030c20e8@exchange.slg.com>
Message-ID: <440DC05E.9070401@paraboliclogic.com>

Peter T. Evensen wrote:

[snip]
> I guess I will stick with using two players and interleave them, so 
> that one is loading the next file while the other one is playing the 
> previous sound.  I was thinking of adding a call back to each player 
> so I start playing the next sound even before I get the playingStopped 
> on current player, to tighten things up even more. 
I'm not sure if Rev has the ability to get the total length in time of 
an mp3 file, but if it can, then you should be able to also track the 
time in Rev and start the next file say 4 or 5 seconds near the end of 
the first file.

In another language I made a DJ system with 3 slots setup and allowed 
the DJ to either manually transition between songs, or automatically.  I 
think I used 4 or 5 seconds as the default.

Also, is it possible in Rev to set the volume of each player? If so, you 
can set the volume of player 2 to 0, load it's file up and start playing 
it just to insure it's getting loaded up, then stop it, and set it back 
to it's start position and set the volume of it back to where it was.  
Then when the first player is just about done, second player is already 
primed and ready.

-Garrett


From sadhu at castandcrew.com  Tue Mar  7 12:22:56 2006
From: sadhu at castandcrew.com (Sadhunathan Nadesan)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 09:22:56 -0800
Subject: Bug Report - unable to compile database applications for Windows
Message-ID: <440DC170.4010105@castandcrew.com>

IMHO, bug reports should contain a minimum of 3 elements:

    * *How to duplicate this problem*
    * *What you expected*
    * *What you got instead*


Here is more!

_*Context:*_

I have developed Windows database applications on previous versions of 
Revolution, so imagine my surprise after spending all day building an 
app, which works fine in the IDE, but when I try to build a standalone, 
it fails on 2.7.  This is the first time I've tried this on 2.7 so, 
darn, now I am stuck with this stack because it won't load into 2.6.1.  
i have an enterprise license so database support should be included.

_*How to duplicate this problem*_

Well, can I include attachments in mail to this list?  I'd send a 
stack.  The one I built is not going to work for you because it requires 
a VPN connection to our corporate network.  Basically though it has code 
using the RevDB library calls, and as i say, works just fine when 
running in the IDE, but I think I'll try to build or find a very simple 
stack and see if I can duplicate the problem with that.

_*What I expected*_

I set the stand alone settings to include database support (can I send a 
screen shot?) and then I expected that when I chose 'save as stand alone 
application' it would work.  I expected to be able to launch the stand 
alone app and have it work like it does from within the ide.

_*What I got instead*_

When I had settings of 'search for inclusions' the stand alone build 
completed, but, the application when launched would not connect to the 
database.

When I manually set the inclusions for databse support, internet 
support, mysql drivers, etc, the compile will not complete.  It hangs.  
after a long, long time i finally have to kill revolution, and the tools 
palette.  under the externals folder created there is nothing under the 
databse drivers folder.  It builds an app which will launch but again, 
does not work. 

_*Guess?*_

2.7 does not do the right thing with database drivers on compiling stand 
alones?


From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Tue Mar  7 13:07:49 2006
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 12:07:49 -0600
Subject: player vs play command
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060307120640.0510f288@exchange.slg.com>

Is there any benefit to using a player vs the play command if you just want 
to play a single sound file as is?  I was just wondering if there are any 
drawbacks to the play command that I should know about.

Thanks!

Peter T. Evensen
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588 



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Mar  7 13:20:01 2006
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 10:20:01 -0800
Subject: player vs play command
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20060307120640.0510f288@exchange.slg.com>
Message-ID: <C0330ED1.34D80%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Peter T. Evensen wrote:

> Is there any benefit to using a player vs the play command if you just want
> to play a single sound file as is?  I was just wondering if there are any
> drawbacks to the play command that I should know about.

The play command is built-in (uses the engine to play media) and can only
play one sound at a time.

Players rely on external technology (QuickTime, WMP or similar) and since
you can have multiple players in a stack, it's possible to play multiple
sounds simultaneously.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Mar  7 13:26:50 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 19:26:50 +0100
Subject: player vs play command
In-Reply-To: <C0330ED1.34D80%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C0330ED1.34D80%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <8B3028CE-F1A2-44E6-9406-13BC4249BC7B@major-k.de>

Hi Peter,

> Recently, Peter T. Evensen wrote:
>
>> Is there any benefit to using a player vs the play command if you  
>> just want
>> to play a single sound file as is?  I was just wondering if there  
>> are any
>> drawbacks to the play command that I should know about.
>
> The play command is built-in (uses the engine to play media) and  
> can only
> play one sound at a time.
>
> Players rely on external technology (QuickTime, WMP or similar) and  
> since
> you can have multiple players in a stack, it's possible to play  
> multiple
> sounds simultaneously.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
> -----
> E: scott at tactilemedia.com
> W: http://www.tactilemedia.com

AND the "play ac xyz" command will only play a VERY limited number
of formats: uncompressed AIF and WAV files and compressed AU files.


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From jhurley at infostations.com  Tue Mar  7 13:28:47 2006
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 10:28:47 -0800
Subject: Scrollbar to drag through a movie?
In-Reply-To: <20060307161211.31CA8826040@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060307161211.31CA8826040@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p06230904c0337f74e20b@[10.0.1.2]>

>-----------------------
>
>Message: 12
>Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 09:57:32 +0100
>From: Klaus Major <klaus at major-k.de>
>Subject: Re: Scrollbar to drag through a movie?
>To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>Message-ID: <F892AD4E-38BE-40BF-8427-44AB0A229239 at major-k.de>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
>Hi Jim,
>
>>  Klaus,
>>
>>  Thanks. I have been using the handler you describe above, but there 
>>  was never a picture that responds to the setting of the 
>>  currentTime. Although the movie would "start" at the currentTime.
>>
>>  I'm not sure I know what you mean by "when the QT controller is 
>>  visible." Is this a feature of RR?
>
>you can check "Controler" in the inspector for the player, and that 
>is a QT only feature.
>That one checked is what I mean by "when the QT controller is 
>visible." :-)
>
>>  I haven't taken the plunge into 2.7 as yet. Waiting for things to 
>>  sort themselves out.
>>
>>  But I would appreciate it if someone would let me know whether RR 
>>  has fixed the display problem in OS X. That is, whether the 
>>  following stack runs as expected:
>>
>>  go  url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/DisplayProblemsOSX.rev"
>>
>>  Does the graphic move evenly across the screen or is the  motion 
>>  herky-jerky?
>>  Same for the banner display?
>
>Tried it on my 1 Ghz G4 Mac and the motion is ehmm... immediate (the 
>graphic is here and then
>there at once) and so is the banner, the text suddenly appears 
>without the "OS X fix"
>
>>  Thanks,
>>
>>  Jim
>
>Regards
>
>Klaus Major

Klaus,

Sorry to be so dense about this, but I presume that the "QT 
controller" must first be loaded into RR for it to appear in the 
inspector. That's what I don't get: How do I load the controller into 
RR?

I spoke to Mark Waddingham at Monterey about this screen refresh 
problem in Mac OS X and he said (I think) that he was going to fix 
it. Maybe I should remind him.

Jim


From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Tue Mar  7 13:46:01 2006
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 19:46:01 +0100
Subject: GPS coordinates to metres
Message-ID: <0c8199ac203aceceb8316be1cdb48f36@wanadoo.fr>

Hi Monte,

in your mail you don't show the complete Lat/Long information
(you need N/S for Lat, and E/W for Long).  I suppose that you
didn't include them, but you need them for what follows.

Try the Haversine formula I use to get distances between 2
points. You first have to convert your Lat/Long into Radians.

I got my co-ordinates (corresponding to a city) from a data
base, and converted them to radians first.

Let's assume you have your Lat and Long co-ordinates in
fields MyLatitude and MyLongitude, and the direction in fields
MyNS and MyEW, and you want the radian answer in fields
MyRadLatitude and MyRadLongitude, you convert to radians
by :

   set numberFormat to 0.000000000000  -- We need precision here !
   --
   --     Convert Latitude and Logitude from degrees to Radians
   --     (Latitude and Longitude must be valid co-ordinates).
   --
   --     This is in preparation for the calculation of distances between
   --     two point on the earths surface.
   --
   --     These co-ordinates must be converted into Radians to use them  
in
   --     my Haversine formula.
   --
   put field MyLatitude into LVWork1
   put LVWork1 * 0.017453293 into LVIntermed1
   put LVIntermed1 into field MyRadLatitude
   put field MyLongitude into LVWork2
   put LVWork2 * 0.017453293 into LVIntermed2
   put LVIntermed2 into field MyRadLongitude
   if field MyNS = "S" then put - field MyRadLatitude into field  
MyRadLatitude
   if field MyEW = "W" then put - field MyRadLongitude into field  
MyRadLongitude

Then, using function :

Function RFHaversine PVLat1,PVLong1,PVLat2,PVLong2
   --global  
LVRadiusOfTheEarth,LVLat1,LVLong1,LVLat2,LVLong2,LVInt1,LVInt2,LVWork1,L 
VWork2,LVWork3
   --
   --     V1 for Hypercard  - 2003/06/28 - 18:00   no atan2 function  
available in Hypercard.
   --     V2 for Revolution - 2006/02/24 - 11:23   use atan2 function  
available in Revolution.
   --
   --     Use Haversine two-argument Inverse Tangent Function to  
calculate
   --     the distance between two geographic locations (cities).
   --
   --     The two geographic locations represent cities or towns in my
   --     City Stack. The pre-calling sequence has already identified
   --     the two cities, and extracted their locations in Radians.
   --
   --     Input Parameters :
   --
   --     Latitude and Longitude of location 1 in Radians  
(PVLat1,PVLong1).
   --     Latitude and Longitude of location 2 in Radians  
(PVLat2,PVLong2).
   --
   --     The Haversine formula is :
   --
   --     dlon = lon2 - lon1  where lon1 and lon2 are longitudes of two  
cities.
   --     dlat = lat2 - lat1  where lat1 and lat2 are latitudes of two  
cities.
   --     a = (sin(dlat/2))^2 + cos(lat1) * cos(lat2) * (sin(dlon/2))^2
   --     c = 2 * atan2( sqrt(a), sqrt(1-a) )
   --     d = R * c           where R is the radius of the earth in  
kilometres.
   --
   set numberFormat to 0.000000000000  -- Heavy precision required here !
   put 6367 into LVRadiusOfTheEarth       -- Generally accepted Radius  
of the Earth
   put PVLat1 into LVLat1
   put PVLong1 into LVLong1
   put PVLat2 into LVLat2
   put PVLong2 into LVLong2
   put LVLong2 - LVLong1 into LVInt1
   put LVLat2 - LVLat1 into LVInt2
   put (sin(LVInt2/2))^2 + cos(LVLat1) * cos(LVLat2) * (sin(LVInt1/2))^2  
into LVWork1
   put 2 * atan2(sqrt(LVWork1),sqrt(1-LVWork1)) into LVWork2
   put LVRadiusOfTheEarth * LVWork2 into LVWork3
   --
   --     We now have the distance in kilometres in LVWork3.
   --
   put round(LVWork3,3) into LVWork3     -- Kilometres to 3 decimal  
points.
   return LVWork3
end RFHaversine

You can get the distance between your two points with :

put RFHaversine (LVRadLat1,LVRadLong1,LVRadLat2,LVRadLong2) into  
Distance

Either set the radius of the Earth to metres, or remove the
point in the kilometre answer field and "Bobs your Uncle !"

If anybody else is interested, I have a stack containing data
for 4000 cities and the possibility of calculating the distance
between any two cities, with up to 6 city stopovers if necessary.
(its got 4001 cards and is 1.6 Mb).

I hope this fills your requirements.

Best from Paris

-Francis



From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Tue Mar  7 13:58:12 2006
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 19:58:12 +0100
Subject: No OpenStack ..... ! continued
Message-ID: <c334c6cec74a4afc32231f723ed22acb@wanadoo.fr>

Rob,

You say  :

|  The main issue I had was created by moving uncompressed stacks from 
Mac
|  to PC.
|
|  Once I began compressing stacks on the Mac & decompressing on my TPC,
|  all but minor problems went away.

Could you clarify just a little please ? My curiosity is aroused !

Thanks

-Francis

"Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"


From katir at hindu.org  Tue Mar  7 14:05:05 2006
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 09:05:05 -1000
Subject: DRM for Images and Text in Stacks
In-Reply-To: <C033059A.371B8%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C033059A.371B8%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <B690EC9E-DBEB-4EFC-B1FD-12C0D6925708@hindu.org>

well, the point is to protect it *also* when looking in the REv's IDE  
inspector.
If you  put the images into customProps and then put a password on  
the stack... will that prevent uses who have the IDE from getting at  
them? (I'll try it.)

Sivakatirswami

On Mar 07, 2006, at 5:40 AM, Ken Ray wrote:

> This way, the image data is safe from prying eyes (people would  
> only see the
> raw image data when looking at it with the Rev IDE's inspector),  
> and since
> the stack is encrypted and the custom prop and image objects have  
> no obvious
> connection, it would be difficult to figure out which image data  
> goes with
> which object and even if they could, the data is encrypted or  
> compressed so
> it's not a simple act of "set the imageData of img 1 to <prop>".
>
> Here's a simple example using compress/decompress:
>
> SETUP:
> set the uStuff of this card to compress(the imageData of img 1)
> put "" into img 1
>
> PLAYBACK:
> set the imageData of img 1 to decompress(the uStuff of this card)



From josh at dvcreators.net  Tue Mar  7 14:24:26 2006
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 11:24:26 -0800
Subject: (Revenge of) [direct access with Rev built-in SQL] vs. [server-side
	scripts] to access a multiuser remote DB
Message-ID: <5D00E173-A00A-4945-BB1D-F7BD5D440D72@dvcreators.net>

Thanks to everyone who made very helpful comments and voted in the  
poll (http://revcoders.org/database-access/), but now there's a new  
twist:

We've found the config option that lets us open a MySQL database to  
any IP (not just "localhost").


So what I'm searching for is a "best practices" recommendation for a  
multiuser app with a DB back end.


Options are:

#1. send commands using LibURL from Rev to PHP scripts on the server,  
the PHP scripts interact with the database, then send results back to  
Rev

#2. Use the built-in SQL commands of Rev to directly access the  
database remotely



I have been doing #1, which is working fine, speed is very fast,  
seems faster than a browser (!), but it is a bit of a headache  
switching gears to write PHP scripts.

So I'm thinking of switching to #2...


Has anyone tried both? Would anyone recommend going one way or the  
other? Any distinct advantages?



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Mar  7 14:53:19 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 13:53:19 -0600
Subject: DRM for Images and Text in Stacks
In-Reply-To: <B690EC9E-DBEB-4EFC-B1FD-12C0D6925708@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <C03340CF.371F1%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/7/06 1:05 PM, "Sivakatirswami" <katir at hindu.org> wrote:

> well, the point is to protect it *also* when looking in the REv's IDE
> inspector.
> If you  put the images into customProps and then put a password on
> the stack... will that prevent uses who have the IDE from getting at
> them? (I'll try it.)

No, they can get to them, but they won't know what how to decipher the
binary data you put in there.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From sadhu at castandcrew.com  Tue Mar  7 14:55:25 2006
From: sadhu at castandcrew.com (sadhu at castandcrew.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 11:55:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: (Revenge of) [direct access with Rev built-in SQL] vs. 
 [server-sidescripts] to access a multiuser remote DB
In-Reply-To: <5D00E173-A00A-4945-BB1D-F7BD5D440D72@dvcreators.net>
References: <5D00E173-A00A-4945-BB1D-F7BD5D440D72@dvcreators.net>
Message-ID: <1542.64.75.194.231.1141761325.squirrel@webmail.castandcrew.com>

Howdy,

I hadn't seen your page before (I'm not usually on this list) so I will
take a look.  Yep, I've tried both (cgi versus direct).  Pierre likes the
indirect method of your x Talk CGI calling another stack which is using
the direct access library so then you could potentially re-use much of the
same code in a client app, and a cgi method.

I've also used bash scripts writing out SQL and calling psql (mysql) from
the command line, which is again easier for me than perl, php, etc.

I prefer to put the code in the client app, easier yet I think.  (as you
say, no switching gears).  but what about security?  well you set up your
database so access is limited to one user, and you set the password field
in the build stand alone settings so the connection info in the executable
is encrypted.  Also, use SSL.

I feel that covers it but I would not be surprised if people dispute this;
security is getting tougher.

Aloha,
Sadhu


> Thanks to everyone who made very helpful comments and voted in the
> poll (http://revcoders.org/database-access/), but now there's a new
> twist:
>
> We've found the config option that lets us open a MySQL database to
> any IP (not just "localhost").
>
>
> So what I'm searching for is a "best practices" recommendation for a
> multiuser app with a DB back end.
>
>
> Options are:
>
> #1. send commands using LibURL from Rev to PHP scripts on the server,
> the PHP scripts interact with the database, then send results back to
> Rev
>
> #2. Use the built-in SQL commands of Rev to directly access the
> database remotely
>
>
>
> I have been doing #1, which is working fine, speed is very fast,
> seems faster than a browser (!), but it is a bit of a headache
> switching gears to write PHP scripts.
>
> So I'm thinking of switching to #2...
>
>
> Has anyone tried both? Would anyone recommend going one way or the
> other? Any distinct advantages?
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Mar  7 15:04:33 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 14:04:33 -0600
Subject: Slow Dialogs in Rev 2.7
In-Reply-To: <C032F692.4040%paulclaude@postino.it>
References: <C032F692.4040%paulclaude@postino.it>
Message-ID: <440DE751.20603@hyperactivesw.com>

Paul Claude wrote:
> Mac Os X 10.4.4, on a Mac G4 400mhz, and Rev. 2.7. It's incredible, but all
> the dialogs are deadly slow; 10 seconds at least, for every dialog (user
> dialogs and Rev. internal dialogs)

That is definitely not normal behavior. Does it only happen in one 
stack, or in all of them? What happens if you relaunch Rev, make a new 
stack, and put this in a button:

on mouseup
  answer "This is a test."
end mouseup

Does that delay too?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Tue Mar  7 15:11:29 2006
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 13:11:29 -0700
Subject: callbacks
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20060307111248.05006d48@exchange.slg.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060307110108.030a4598@exchange.slg.com>
	<FF0E6E5E-549A-4A88-BF3C-8A24A6B1A4E0@major-k.de>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060307111248.05006d48@exchange.slg.com>
Message-ID: <5D7A10F5-F0AE-411C-8224-7EF32588D14E@byu.edu>

>
Speaking of callbacks, has anyone noticed callbacks being skipped  
over the course of a long-ish video? One of my students showed me a  
problem with his stack ( on XP). Each time he played the video some  
of the callbacks, say 5 or 6 out of 20, would just be skipped. It was  
different ones each time.

There have been past discussions about this, but I never saw this  
exact problem.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Tue Mar  7 15:13:14 2006
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 21:13:14 +0100
Subject: DRM for Images and Text in Stacks
In-Reply-To: <C03340CF.371F1%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C03340CF.371F1%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <p06200710c033989d918e@[10.0.0.15]>

At 1:53 PM -0600 3/7/06, Ken Ray wrote:
>On 3/7/06 1:05 PM, "Sivakatirswami" <katir at hindu.org> wrote:
>
>>  well, the point is to protect it *also* when looking in the REv's IDE
>>  inspector.
>>  If you  put the images into customProps and then put a password on
>>  the stack... will that prevent uses who have the IDE from getting at
>>  them? (I'll try it.)
>
>No, they can get to them, but they won't know what how to decipher the
>binary data you put in there.

Would this solve your problem...

Make copies of all the stacks which contain the media.

Take the second batch which will be given out with the application, place
in the stack script -  if the environment is development then quit.

Wouldn't the file be accessible to your standalone but not in the IDE?

If you need to modify those files, use your backup copy which does
not have that stack script.

Is there anything wrong with this strategy?

ciao,
sims

European Rev Conference  2006
www.techietours.com


From rjb at robelko.com  Tue Mar  7 15:09:14 2006
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 21:09:14 +0100
Subject: Latest Version of RunRev for Mac OS 9???
In-Reply-To: <C033198A.AD8A%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
References: <C033198A.AD8A%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
Message-ID: <a06110403c03398b450fd@[192.168.1.101]>

>Hi Dave... It's Rev 2.6.1 and you have to ask Heather directly.  It's
>doubtful that 2.7 or later will get to OS 9... Jim
>

I hope you are wrong, Jim. And the RR web site states that OS9 
version is coming, whatever that means.


From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Tue Mar  7 15:25:20 2006
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 14:25:20 -0600
Subject: callbacks
In-Reply-To: <5D7A10F5-F0AE-411C-8224-7EF32588D14E@byu.edu>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060307110108.030a4598@exchange.slg.com>
	<FF0E6E5E-549A-4A88-BF3C-8A24A6B1A4E0@major-k.de>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060307111248.05006d48@exchange.slg.com>
	<5D7A10F5-F0AE-411C-8224-7EF32588D14E@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060307142351.05401e88@exchange.slg.com>

I'm using callbacks on movies that are maybe 5-10 minutes long for another 
project.  So far I haven't seen this happen.  Granted my app hasn't gone to 
QA yet.  How close together are the callbacks?

I did have problems when I tried to use a callback to queue another player 
before the current one stopped.  I wasn't getting the callbacks on short 
sound files for some reason.

At 02:11 PM 3/7/2006, you wrote:

>Speaking of callbacks, has anyone noticed callbacks being skipped
>over the course of a long-ish video? One of my students showed me a
>problem with his stack ( on XP). Each time he played the video some
>of the callbacks, say 5 or 6 out of 20, would just be skipped. It was
>different ones each time.
>
>There have been past discussions about this, but I never saw this
>exact problem.
>
>Devin

Peter T. Evensen
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588 



From jhurley at infostations.com  Tue Mar  7 16:08:49 2006
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 13:08:49 -0800
Subject: In-line Fraction with Horizontal Line
In-Reply-To: <20060307015756.6DE22826407@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060307015756.6DE22826407@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p06230908c033a57ecc51@[10.0.1.2]>

>
>Message: 33
>Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 19:55:55 -0700
>From: Mark Greenberg <markgreenberg at cox.net>
>Subject: In-line Fraction with Horizontal Line
>To: Runtime Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>Message-ID: <2051D937-8163-4405-A04C-5823B9B6E558 at cox.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
>Fellow list members, I have a problem for which I can only find 
>difficult or unsatisfactory solutions, and I was hoping you might 
>have some suggestions.
>
>I am making a stack to teach students math -- linear equations, to be 
>more precise.  When I display the y = mx + b form, the best I can do 
>to show a fraction in the m position is something like y = 4/5x + 2.  
>This is ambiguous because it isn't clear what should be taken as the 
>divisor, 5 or 5x or 5x + 2.  The math teacher for whom I am making 
>the game would prefer a horizontal division line instead of a slash.
>
>So far this is what I've thought of and rejected:
>
>Use fonts that have fractions built in as one character.  No, because 
>they have too few for the range of possible slopes I want to generate.
>
>Force the numerals around as subscripts and superscripts until it is 
>clear what the fraction is.  Messy and probably won't lead to success.
>
>Use inline images.  Need too many images to cover possible slopes.
>
>Write it y = (4/5)x + 2.  This is mathematically acceptable, but not 
>the way the students will see it elsewhere.
>
>Use a different 2-line field that moves according to the location of 
>the fraction.  Hmm.. maybe.
>
>I could use some help on this one.
>
>	TIA,
>		Mark


Mark,

This won't help you with this question but  the math teacher might be 
interested in SupAndSub.rev

It facilitates typing equations.

In the message box:

go url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/SupAndSub.rev"

To answer your question, I guess I would  try using separate fields 
for the num and dem of the fraction with a graphic line in between. I 
presume the slope is always represented by the fraction?

Jim

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From rkrivera at earthlink.net  Tue Mar  7 16:20:23 2006
From: rkrivera at earthlink.net (Reuben Rivera)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 13:20:23 -0800
Subject: lockScreen Property Question
Message-ID: <F55A9548-C973-4B95-B6EB-EEF4BCFA5A8D@earthlink.net>

I've been working on a program that requires jumping from one stack to
another.  I've tried to incorporate the lockScreen property to prevent
redrawing of the screen to keep me from sea sick while looking at the
screen and to speed up things. The problem I've run into is that  
regardless
of where I put the the "lockScreen to true" command, I still can see  
the redraws
from one stack to the other.  Does this property not work under certain
situations?  I'm a previous hypercard user and I've never had an  
issue with
this before.  I've check the written manual and it seems like it  
should work
like it has with my previous experience with hypercard.  Any hints or  
insights?
Thanks, Reuben Rivera




From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Mar  7 16:30:19 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 22:30:19 +0100
Subject: Scrollbar to drag through a movie?
In-Reply-To: <p06230904c0337f74e20b@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <20060307161211.31CA8826040@mail.runrev.com>
	<p06230904c0337f74e20b@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <6E66CEE7-4F4A-4C14-8033-F818157A03B6@major-k.de>

Hi Jim,

> Klaus,
>
> Sorry to be so dense about this, but I presume that the "QT  
> controller" must first be loaded into RR for it to appear in the  
> inspector. That's what I don't get: How do I load the controller  
> into RR?

That's just an option for a (QT) player object, just like the  
controller bar in the QuickTime Player!

Create a player and check "Controller" on the "Basic Properties" tab  
of the inspector, that's all.
It's not magic, ladies and gentlemen :-)

> I spoke to Mark Waddingham at Monterey about this screen refresh  
> problem in Mac OS X and he said (I think) that he was going to fix  
> it. Maybe I should remind him.

That is supposed to get fixed in 2.7.1 (or already 2.7).

> Jim

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From sadhu at castandcrew.com  Tue Mar  7 16:49:14 2006
From: sadhu at castandcrew.com (Sadhunathan Nadesan)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 13:49:14 -0800
Subject: Bug Report - unable to compile database applications for Windows
Message-ID: <440DFFDA.4070404@castandcrew.com>

Who-hoo!

I found a work around.

I compiled a test app under 2.6.1.  It worked.  It also included a lot 
of files in the stand alone directory and the subdirectory externals.

I copied those to the same places where the 2.7 app was.

Then, it worked.

So the problem is:  REV is not putting the database library dll's in 
place when it builds a stand alone app for windows.

If someone can point me to the bugzilla for rev (i can't find it) I will 
post this info there.


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Mar  7 17:03:17 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 16:03:17 -0600
Subject: Bug Report - unable to compile database applications for Windows
In-Reply-To: <440DFFDA.4070404@castandcrew.com>
References: <440DFFDA.4070404@castandcrew.com>
Message-ID: <440E0325.7060501@hyperactivesw.com>

Sadhunathan Nadesan wrote:

> So the problem is:  REV is not putting the database library dll's in 
> place when it builds a stand alone app for windows.
> 
> If someone can point me to the bugzilla for rev (i can't find it) I will 
> post this info there.

No need -- it is already fixed for 2.7.1.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Mar  7 17:09:55 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 16:09:55 -0600
Subject: lockScreen Property Question
In-Reply-To: <F55A9548-C973-4B95-B6EB-EEF4BCFA5A8D@earthlink.net>
References: <F55A9548-C973-4B95-B6EB-EEF4BCFA5A8D@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <440E04B3.3090704@hyperactivesw.com>

Reuben Rivera wrote:
> I've been working on a program that requires jumping from one stack to
> another.  I've tried to incorporate the lockScreen property to prevent
> redrawing of the screen to keep me from sea sick while looking at the
> screen and to speed up things. The problem I've run into is that  
> regardless
> of where I put the the "lockScreen to true" command, I still can see  
> the redraws
> from one stack to the other.  Does this property not work under certain
> situations?  I'm a previous hypercard user and I've never had an  issue 
> with
> this before.  I've check the written manual and it seems like it  should 
> work
> like it has with my previous experience with hypercard.  Any hints or  
> insights?

Actually, it worked the same way in HyperCard too. The "lockscreen" 
command should really have been named "lockwindow". Only the frontmost 
stack is locked. If you open 2 stacks at once in HyperCard, lock the 
screen, and then try to go to the second stack, you'll see the same 
behavior. The OS has to redraw the window.

Unlike HC, there's a workaround in Revolution. Instead of "lockscreen", 
use the "go stack <stackname> in window <windowname/ID>" variant. See 
the "go" command in the docs; this command substitutes the contents of a 
stack into the same window as the current stack, basically avoiding the 
OS redraw.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From benbock at msn.com  Tue Mar  7 17:10:35 2006
From: benbock at msn.com (Ben Bock)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 14:10:35 -0800
Subject: where does a "put file" go?
Message-ID: <BAY106-DAV7774C59955A7F6F53D349A9EE0@phx.gbl>

If I do the following in a script, where does it go?  
put fld "data field" into url "file:test data.txt"

How can I open the file to read it, independently of Rev?



Thanks,

Ben


From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Tue Mar  7 17:24:08 2006
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 16:24:08 -0600
Subject: where does a "put file" go?
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-DAV7774C59955A7F6F53D349A9EE0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY106-DAV7774C59955A7F6F53D349A9EE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060307162255.0492f940@exchange.slg.com>

It goes to the defaultfolder.  In a standalone, this is, by default, the 
directory of the application (I believe).

Type "defaultfolder" in the message box to see what the default folder 
currently is.  That is where your file will be saved.

At 04:10 PM 3/7/2006, you wrote:
>If I do the following in a script, where does it go?
>put fld "data field" into url "file:test data.txt"
>
>How can I open the file to read it, independently of Rev?
>
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Ben
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From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Mar  7 17:25:02 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 23:25:02 +0100
Subject: where does a "put file" go?
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-DAV7774C59955A7F6F53D349A9EE0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY106-DAV7774C59955A7F6F53D349A9EE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CD86E3E9-F199-4985-B0E9-FFA50A85376E@major-k.de>

Hi Ben,

> If I do the following in a script, where does it go?
> put fld "data field" into url "file:test data.txt"

it goes into the current directory.

You can check it with a little script like:
...
put the directory
...

That will return the folder where you can find your file.

> How can I open the file to read it, independently of Rev?

Just doubleclick that file and Textedit (on a Mac) or Editor
(on windows) will start and open it.

Of course you can manage where to save that file, e.g. with
"specialfolderpath(xyz)" or something.

This will save the file on your desktop:
...
put fld "data field" into url ("file:" & specialfolderpath("desktop")  
& "/test data.txt")
...

> Thanks,
>
> Ben

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Tue Mar  7 17:27:28 2006
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 15:27:28 -0700
Subject: where does a "put file" go?
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-DAV7774C59955A7F6F53D349A9EE0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY106-DAV7774C59955A7F6F53D349A9EE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <D37FF23A-7A4A-44A7-AAB7-F5993D8C0A71@byu.edu>


On Mar 7, 2006, at 3:10 PM, Ben Bock wrote:

> If I do the following in a script, where does it go?
> put fld "data field" into url "file:test data.txt"
>
> How can I open the file to read it, independently of Rev?

It goes to whatever folder is set in the defaultFolder global  
property. At startup the defaultFolder is automatically set to the  
folder containing the Rev application (if you open in the development  
environment) or the folder containing your compiled standalone.

So if you're in Revolution look in your /Applications/Revolution  
folder on OS X or C:\Program Files\Revolution on Windows.

HTH

Devin


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Tue Mar  7 18:30:03 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:30:03 -0800
Subject: Making Rev Plugin?
Message-ID: <440E177B.60600@paraboliclogic.com>

Rev 2.6.1

Greetings,

Is there a tutorial on making plug ins for the Rev IDE?  Or, can someone
tell me how to get a list of objects the user has in their stack(s),
open in the Rev IDE, so my plug in can get and set the text of an object?

Thanks,
-Garrett



From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Tue Mar  7 19:18:17 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 16:18:17 -0800
Subject: answer file with filter problem
Message-ID: <440E22C9.9040809@paraboliclogic.com>

Rev 2.6.1

Greetings,

Am I doing something wrong with the answer file?

   put "Please select a file:" into varOne
   put "Text Files,*.txt" into varTwo
   put "Open file" into varThree
   answer file varOne with filter varTwo titled varThree

I originally had this way:

   answer file "Please select a file:" with filter "Text Files,*.txt" 
titled "Open file"

But either way, the files listed in the answer file dialog are all 
blocked out and not accessible at all.

Thanks,
-Garrett


From LunchnMeets at aol.com  Tue Mar  7 19:59:53 2006
From: LunchnMeets at aol.com (LunchnMeets at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 19:59:53 EST
Subject: lockScreen Property Question
Message-ID: <26b.6f97bc0.313f8689@aol.com>

Hi Ruben,

I share your pain. This is one of the few instances where HyperCard has it 
all over revolution. You can get around this somewhat in two ways.

1) You can hide any stack you don't want to see before you go to them for an 
intermediate process. The problem with that is you have to remember to show 
them before actually displaying that stack.

2) Unlike HyperCard you can refer to a field without going to that stack. For 
example:

put field "fieldName" of stack "stackName" into field "fieldName" of this 
stack

is OK in Revolution, but not HyperCard.

Joe
Orlando, Florida


From LunchnMeets at aol.com  Tue Mar  7 20:02:12 2006
From: LunchnMeets at aol.com (LunchnMeets at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 20:02:12 EST
Subject: Globals and...
Message-ID: <24.2eccb30.313f8714@aol.com>

Hi Everyone,

OK so you can initiate globals for an object outside of a handler. That's 
cool if you have more than one handler for an object. Is there anything else I 
can do outside of a handler that will apply to all handlers for an object?

Joe
Orlando, Florida


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  7 21:49:06 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 18:49:06 -0800
Subject: Globals and...
In-Reply-To: <24.2eccb30.313f8714@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C0338622.35C9D%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>



On 3/7/06 5:02 PM, "LunchnMeets at aol.com" <LunchnMeets at aol.com> wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
> 
> OK so you can initiate globals for an object outside of a handler. That's
> cool if you have more than one handler for an object. Is there anything else I
> can do outside of a handler that will apply to all handlers for an object?
> 
> Joe

Lots... take your pick _____________________
--INSIDE Rev
creating more cards, fields, buttons, groups
using custom properties
Back script
Front script
start using stack "libOfHandlers.rev"

set the script of btn "green" to " url "file:/Desktop/ btnScript01.txt"
set the script of btn "blue" to " url "file:/Desktop/ btnScript02.txt"
set the script of btn "green" to " url "file:/Desktop/ btnScript03.txt"

on opencard
if the name of this card is "summary" then
set the script of btn "Report" to url "file:/Desktop/btnScriptRptSmry.txt"
else
 set the script of btn "Report" to url "file:/Desktop/btnScriptRptDept.txt"
end if
end opencard

put "info" into url "file:/Desktop/dataFileForRev.txt"

--OUTSIDE Rev
save spreadsheet as tab delimited, then open in Rev using
put url "file:/Desktop/dataTableFromExcel.txt" into tDataTable

--via Applescript or VisualBasic
much more stuff.

I am sure there are more, but that is a good start, off the top of my head.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  7 21:55:49 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 18:55:49 -0800
Subject: In-line Fraction with Horizontal Line
In-Reply-To: <p06230908c033a57ecc51@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <C03387B5.35CA0%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>


On 3/7/06 1:08 PM, "Jim Hurley" <jhurley at infostations.com> wrote:

> To answer your question, I guess I would  try using separate fields
> for the num and dem of the fraction with a graphic line in between. I
> presume the slope is always represented by the fraction?
> 
You could hide/show/move fields that represented the components of the
equation, eg
fld partBeforeDiv
fld partAfterDiv
image divShort
image divMedium
image divLong
image sqRootThin, sqRootTall, sqRootTail

detect the number of div images required
set the left,top of each field, opaque false, with the correct image
beneath.

The editable field can now be represented more correctly.
Might work :-)

Jim Ault
Las Vegas



>> 
>> Message: 33
>> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 19:55:55 -0700
>> From: Mark Greenberg <markgreenberg at cox.net>
>> Subject: In-line Fraction with Horizontal Line
>> To: Runtime Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>> Message-ID: <2051D937-8163-4405-A04C-5823B9B6E558 at cox.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>> 
>> Fellow list members, I have a problem for which I can only find
>> difficult or unsatisfactory solutions, and I was hoping you might
>> have some suggestions.
>> 
>> I am making a stack to teach students math -- linear equations, to be
>> more precise.  When I display the y = mx + b form, the best I can do
>> to show a fraction in the m position is something like y = 4/5x + 2.
>> This is ambiguous because it isn't clear what should be taken as the
>> divisor, 5 or 5x or 5x + 2.  The math teacher for whom I am making
>> the game would prefer a horizontal division line instead of a slash.
>> 
>> So far this is what I've thought of and rejected:
>> 
>> Use fonts that have fractions built in as one character.  No, because
>> they have too few for the range of possible slopes I want to generate.
>> 
>> Force the numerals around as subscripts and superscripts until it is
>> clear what the fraction is.  Messy and probably won't lead to success.
>> 
>> Use inline images.  Need too many images to cover possible slopes.
>> 
>> Write it y = (4/5)x + 2.  This is mathematically acceptable, but not
>> the way the students will see it elsewhere.
>> 
>> Use a different 2-line field that moves according to the location of
>> the fraction.  Hmm.. maybe.
>> 
>> I could use some help on this one.
>> 
>> TIA,
>> Mark
> 
> 
> Mark,
> 
> This won't help you with this question but  the math teacher might be
> interested in SupAndSub.rev
> 
> It facilitates typing equations.
> 
> In the message box:
> 
> go url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/SupAndSub.rev"
> 

> Jim
> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Tue Mar  7 22:13:39 2006
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 11:13:39 +0800
Subject: DRM for Images and Text in Stacks
In-Reply-To: <C03340CF.371F1%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <B690EC9E-DBEB-4EFC-B1FD-12C0D6925708@hindu.org>
	<C03340CF.371F1%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160603071913l4b48d1s7584dbe3eab13ed0@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/8/06, Ken Ray <kray at sonsothunder.com> wrote:
>
>
> No, they can get to them, but they won't know what how to decipher the
> binary data you put in there.


Of course everyone has only mentioned the images, although the same can
apply to the text in your text fields. This all seems very complex to me.

In Sivakatirswami Dreamworld the answer would seem to be DreamCard - as it
can be used as a database front end. With all images and text stored
securely in an encrypted database when anyone with the Rev IDE opens a front
end all they get is 'empty' fields, etc.

Pity DreamCard is on the way out, so I guess you'll have to go with a
standalone DB frontend; which means you don't have to worry about when your
dream of everyone having a stack player
will come true.

I have no idea if this would work but as for the problem of screenshots,
could you capture key strokes (is it CMD-OPT-3 on the Mac?) and put 'empty'
into the fields so they appear blank? Of course anyone can work around this
by starting 'Grab' (on Mac) and using the Menus to do a screenshot. Could
you blank the fields anytime your app is no longer front most?

Just some thoughts.


From katir at hindu.org  Tue Mar  7 22:40:20 2006
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 17:40:20 -1000
Subject: OT: forum etiquette
Message-ID: <ACE78458-02B8-47F9-9D43-C003617F5DB9@hindu.org>

I thought this site useful:

http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

and particularly this section:

===========
Don't claim that you have found a bug

When you are having problems with a piece of software, don't claim  
you have found a bug unless you are very, very sure of your ground.  
Hint: unless you can provide a source-code patch that fixes the  
problem, or a regression test against a previous version that  
demonstrates incorrect behavior, you are probably not sure enough.  
This applies to webpages and documentation, too; if you have found a  
documentation ?bug?, you should supply replacement text and which  
pages it should go on.

Remember, there are many other users that are not experiencing your  
problem. Otherwise you would have learned about it while reading the  
documentation and searching the Web (you did do that before  
complaining, didn't you?). This means that very probably it is you  
who are doing something wrong, not the software.

The people who wrote the software work very hard to make it work as  
well as possible. If you claim you have found a bug, you'll be  
impugning their competence, which may offend some of them even if you  
are correct. It's especially undiplomatic to yell ?bug? in the  
Subject line.

When asking your question, it is best to write as though you assume  
you are doing something wrong, even if you are privately pretty sure  
you have found an actual bug. If there really is a bug, you will hear  
about it in the answer. Play it so the maintainers will want to  
apologize to you if the bug is real, rather than so that you will owe  
them an apology if you have messed up.

From rkrivera at earthlink.net  Tue Mar  7 23:35:47 2006
From: rkrivera at earthlink.net (Reuben Rivera)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 20:35:47 -0800
Subject: lockScreen Property Question
In-Reply-To: <440E04B3.3090704@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <F55A9548-C973-4B95-B6EB-EEF4BCFA5A8D@earthlink.net>
	<440E04B3.3090704@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <B1B9D761-2E23-403D-8E87-ECB9726D5F04@earthlink.net>

Thanks very much for your suggestion.  The screen now looks steady
as a rock...no more motion sickness.  I really appreciated your help.
I had the lockScreen property set to true every other line of script  
trying
to resolve the problem.  Nice to have an "elegant" solution.
Reuben Rivera
On Mar 7, 2006, at 2:09 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Reuben Rivera wrote:
>> I've been working on a program that requires jumping from one  
>> stack to
>> another.  I've tried to incorporate the lockScreen property to  
>> prevent
>> redrawing of the screen to keep me from sea sick while looking at the
>> screen and to speed up things. The problem I've run into is that   
>> regardless
>> of where I put the the "lockScreen to true" command, I still can  
>> see  the redraws
>> from one stack to the other.  Does this property not work under  
>> certain
>> situations?  I'm a previous hypercard user and I've never had an   
>> issue with
>> this before.  I've check the written manual and it seems like it   
>> should work
>> like it has with my previous experience with hypercard.  Any hints  
>> or  insights?
>
> Actually, it worked the same way in HyperCard too. The "lockscreen"  
> command should really have been named "lockwindow". Only the  
> frontmost stack is locked. If you open 2 stacks at once in  
> HyperCard, lock the screen, and then try to go to the second stack,  
> you'll see the same behavior. The OS has to redraw the window.
>
> Unlike HC, there's a workaround in Revolution. Instead of  
> "lockscreen", use the "go stack <stackname> in window <windowname/ 
> ID>" variant. See the "go" command in the docs; this command  
> substitutes the contents of a stack into the same window as the  
> current stack, basically avoiding the OS redraw.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From davis.phil at comcast.net  Tue Mar  7 23:36:36 2006
From: davis.phil at comcast.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 20:36:36 -0800
Subject: OT: forum etiquette
In-Reply-To: <ACE78458-02B8-47F9-9D43-C003617F5DB9@hindu.org>
References: <ACE78458-02B8-47F9-9D43-C003617F5DB9@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <440E5F54.70804@comcast.net>

This is a great contribution! Thanks.

Phil Davis



Sivakatirswami wrote:
> I thought this site useful:
> 
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
> 
> and particularly this section:
> 
> ===========
> Don't claim that you have found a bug
> 
> When you are having problems with a piece of software, don't claim  you 
> have found a bug unless you are very, very sure of your ground.  Hint: 
> unless you can provide a source-code patch that fixes the  problem, or a 
> regression test against a previous version that  demonstrates incorrect 
> behavior, you are probably not sure enough.  This applies to webpages 
> and documentation, too; if you have found a  documentation ?bug?, you 
> should supply replacement text and which  pages it should go on.
> 
> Remember, there are many other users that are not experiencing your  
> problem. Otherwise you would have learned about it while reading the  
> documentation and searching the Web (you did do that before  
> complaining, didn't you?). This means that very probably it is you  who 
> are doing something wrong, not the software.
> 
> The people who wrote the software work very hard to make it work as  
> well as possible. If you claim you have found a bug, you'll be  
> impugning their competence, which may offend some of them even if you  
> are correct. It's especially undiplomatic to yell ?bug? in the  Subject 
> line.
> 
> When asking your question, it is best to write as though you assume  you 
> are doing something wrong, even if you are privately pretty sure  you 
> have found an actual bug. If there really is a bug, you will hear  about 
> it in the answer. Play it so the maintainers will want to  apologize to 
> you if the bug is real, rather than so that you will owe  them an 
> apology if you have messed 
> up.



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Mar  7 23:44:30 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 22:44:30 -0600
Subject: lockScreen Property Question
In-Reply-To: <B1B9D761-2E23-403D-8E87-ECB9726D5F04@earthlink.net>
References: <F55A9548-C973-4B95-B6EB-EEF4BCFA5A8D@earthlink.net>
	<440E04B3.3090704@hyperactivesw.com>
	<B1B9D761-2E23-403D-8E87-ECB9726D5F04@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <440E612E.1050402@hyperactivesw.com>

Reuben Rivera wrote:
 > Thanks very much for your suggestion.  The screen now looks steady
 > as a rock...no more motion sickness.

Actually, the other solution is to ship Drammamine with every copy of 
your stack. It saves coding.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From rkrivera at earthlink.net  Tue Mar  7 23:46:33 2006
From: rkrivera at earthlink.net (Reuben Rivera)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 20:46:33 -0800
Subject: lockScreen Property Question
In-Reply-To: <26b.6f97bc0.313f8689@aol.com>
References: <26b.6f97bc0.313f8689@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C120465C-54B4-47C3-B4CD-EA24F062EE90@earthlink.net>

Thank you for reminding me about being able to extract data from
another stack without going to it first.  This will help resolve some
other issues I've been running into.  I appreciate your help.
Reuben Rivera
On Mar 7, 2006, at 4:59 PM, LunchnMeets at aol.com wrote:

> Hi Ruben,
>
> I share your pain. This is one of the few instances where HyperCard  
> has it
> all over revolution. You can get around this somewhat in two ways.
>
> 1) You can hide any stack you don't want to see before you go to  
> them for an
> intermediate process. The problem with that is you have to remember  
> to show
> them before actually displaying that stack.
>
> 2) Unlike HyperCard you can refer to a field without going to that  
> stack. For
> example:
>
> put field "fieldName" of stack "stackName" into field "fieldName"  
> of this
> stack
>
> is OK in Revolution, but not HyperCard.
>
> Joe
> Orlando, Florida
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From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Wed Mar  8 00:13:18 2006
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 21:13:18 -0800
Subject: Sheet command
In-Reply-To: <06531BFC-D2BD-4DA1-BA5C-212459DC58C8@skynet.be>
References: <06531BFC-D2BD-4DA1-BA5C-212459DC58C8@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <FA2A8056-2AC9-480A-BBA9-5DCAE2E7A658@elementarysoftware.com>

Although it takes a few lines, I do this fairly often with something  
like:

go inv cd "xyz" of stack "abc"
sheet stack "abc"  in stack  "parentstack B"
show stack "abc"

-Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust !)
web     http://elementarysoftware.com/
email   scott at elementarysoftware.com

On Mar 7, 2006, at 8:25 AM, Yves COPPE wrote:

> Hi list,
>
> Working on mac OS X, I'd like to to something like :
>
> go to cd "xyz" of stack "abc" as sheet in stack "parentstack B"
>
> It doesn't work
> Is there a way to do it ?
>
> The parentstack parameter seems only to work with something like
> sheet stack  "abc" in stack "parentstack B"
>
>
>
> Greetings.
>
> Yves COPPE
> yvescoppe at skynet.be
>
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From paulclaude at postino.it  Wed Mar  8 03:00:32 2006
From: paulclaude at postino.it (Paul Claude)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 09:00:32 +0100
Subject: Slow Dialogs in Rev 2.7
In-Reply-To: <440DE751.20603@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C0344DB0.409C%paulclaude@postino.it>

Yes, is delayed. As I told you, also the Rev. dialogs are slow; as example,
when I close the script editor, it needs several seconds to appears the
"save" dialog. And, if I want to rename some custom property through the
inspector panel, the "ask" dialog appears always after 7/10 seconds.


on 7-03-2006 21:04, J. Landman Gay at jacque at hyperactivesw.com wrote:

> That is definitely not normal behavior. Does it only happen in one
> stack, or in all of them? What happens if you relaunch Rev, make a new
> stack, and put this in a button:
> 
> on mouseup
>   answer "This is a test."
> end mouseup
> 
> Does that delay too?




From mark at maseurope.net  Wed Mar  8 03:38:28 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:38:28 +0000
Subject: Globals and...
In-Reply-To: <24.2eccb30.313f8714@aol.com>
References: <24.2eccb30.313f8714@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8EC3E564-AEA5-4D18-826C-C241EF25639F@maseurope.net>

You can do the same with 'script locals', too. The difference from  
globals is that script locals are available to all handlers in that  
particular objetcs script, but not to handlers in other objects scripts.

Mark

On 8 Mar 2006, at 01:02, LunchnMeets at aol.com wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> OK so you can initiate globals for an object outside of a handler.  
> That's
> cool if you have more than one handler for an object. Is there  
> anything else I
> can do outside of a handler that will apply to all handlers for an  
> object?
>
> Joe
> Orlando, Florida
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From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Mar  8 04:16:30 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:16:30 +0100
Subject: answer file with filter problem
In-Reply-To: <440E22C9.9040809@paraboliclogic.com>
References: <440E22C9.9040809@paraboliclogic.com>
Message-ID: <1B58E10A-D965-441F-A5DC-CA5FA69F2E64@major-k.de>

Hi Garrett,

> Rev 2.6.1
>
> Greetings,
> Am I doing something wrong with the answer file?
>   put "Please select a file:" into varOne
>   put "Text Files,*.txt" into varTwo
>   put "Open file" into varThree
>   answer file varOne with filter varTwo titled varThree
> I originally had this way:
>   answer file "Please select a file:" with filter "Text  
> Files,*.txt" titled "Open file"
> But either way, the files listed in the answer file dialog are all  
> blocked out and not accessible at all.

your script(s) above will work wonderfully on a windows pc :-)

But since you are using a mac (I guessed from your mail header,  
please do always
mention the platform you are using) you need another syntax ->  
"answer... WITH TYPE ..."

So you should script:
...
answer file "Please select a file:" with type "Text Files|txt| 
TEXTttxt" titled "Open file"
...

Or fill your variables accordingly.

This syntax is crossplaform and takes the FILETYPES on a Mac into  
account.
FILETYPES are going away in the future on OS X I am sure, and only  
suffixes
will be supported and that is also taken care of by this syntax.

If you don't know the necessary FILEPTYPE (last parameter), simply  
omit it, and on
OS X only files with the appropriate suffix will be shown in the dialog:

...
answer file "Please select a file:" with Type "Text Files|txt|"  
titled "Open file"
...

will also show all text files with the suffix ".txt"

The "delimiter" sign is the "pipe" = "|" = ALT-7 on a german keyboard

See also "answer file with type" in the docs.

Hope that helps.

> Thanks,
> -Garrett

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  8 04:37:01 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 01:37:01 -0800
Subject: Globals and...
In-Reply-To: <C0338622.35C9D%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C033E5BD.35CBB%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Whoops.. that should be without the extra quote before 'url'

> set the script of btn "green" to  url "file:/Desktop/ btnScript01.txt"
> set the script of btn "blue" to  url "file:/Desktop/ btnScript02.txt"
> set the script of btn "green" to  url "file:/Desktop/ btnScript03.txt"

On 3/7/06 6:49 PM, "Jim Ault" <JimAultWins at yahoo.com> wrote:

> 
> 
> On 3/7/06 5:02 PM, "LunchnMeets at aol.com" <LunchnMeets at aol.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Everyone,
>> 
>> OK so you can initiate globals for an object outside of a handler. That's
>> cool if you have more than one handler for an object. Is there anything else
>> I
>> can do outside of a handler that will apply to all handlers for an object?
>> 
>> Joe
> 
> Lots... take your pick _____________________
> --INSIDE Rev
> creating more cards, fields, buttons, groups
> using custom properties
> Back script
> Front script
> start using stack "libOfHandlers.rev"
> 
> set the script of btn "green" to " url "file:/Desktop/ btnScript01.txt"
> set the script of btn "blue" to " url "file:/Desktop/ btnScript02.txt"
> set the script of btn "green" to " url "file:/Desktop/ btnScript03.txt"
> 
> on opencard
> if the name of this card is "summary" then
> set the script of btn "Report" to url "file:/Desktop/btnScriptRptSmry.txt"
> else
>  set the script of btn "Report" to url "file:/Desktop/btnScriptRptDept.txt"
> end if
> end opencard
> 
> put "info" into url "file:/Desktop/dataFileForRev.txt"
> 
> --OUTSIDE Rev
> save spreadsheet as tab delimited, then open in Rev using
> put url "file:/Desktop/dataTableFromExcel.txt" into tDataTable
> 
> --via Applescript or VisualBasic
> much more stuff.
> 
> I am sure there are more, but that is a good start, off the top of my head.
> 
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
> 
> 
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From haitham1981 at gmail.com  Mon Mar  6 01:43:35 2006
From: haitham1981 at gmail.com (Haitham Abdulla)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 09:43:35 +0300
Subject: Revolution vs Visual Basic
Message-ID: <d9f20020603052243w28dec86bn1b00ba0fbb017319@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,



May I take few minutes please?



When Revolution with some programming languages such as C++ and Java, it is
clear that designing and creating applications (or whatever) using
Revolution is much easier than those programming languages. But what is your
opinion when comparing it with Visual Basic .NET or Visual Basic 2005
Express?



Visual Basic .NET has many features similar to those in Revolution. It is
very easy to design forms and interfaces. There are many components that you
can drag and drop into your forms. VB .NET has a very clear and readable
syntax. It has strong debugging tools. And much more.



Question (1):

Are there some strong features in Revolution that could make it better than
VB .NET. Would you please list the features for me?



Question (2):

VB .NET has some great built-in components and I want to ask whether
Revolution has them. Some of those components are:

a.      Font Dialog Box

b.     Color Dialog Box

c.     Save Dialog Box

d.     Print Dialog Box



Question (3):

VB .NET has the Tree Component which makes you able to build something
similar to the trees of folders and files in Windows Explorer. It is very
easy to use and you can expand and add items into the tree dynamically. Is
there something similar in Revolution? Is it easy to do such thing?



Question (4):

We can build easily a Tool Bar in VB .NET and add icons in the Tool Bar. We
can also easily draw pictures for the icons within VB .NET or we can attach
any saved pictures to the icons.

Is there something similar in Revolution? Is it easy to do so?



Question (5):

We, as programmers, used to use some techniques and algorithms in our
programs. Sometimes we need to use Stacks, Queues, Hash Tables,
Dictionaries, etc. All these objects, or most of them, are built in VB .NET
and we can use them easily.

Does Revolution have these objects?

Or can we define or create something similar?



Question (6):

When we want to produce the program (or application) that is created by
Revolution, we can produce it as EXE file (in windows). But what if we need
to make some kind of Installation or Setup? Can we do it?

What about if the users want to uninstall our program (or software)? Can
they?



Sorry for bothering





Regards,


From twright at jamestown.wnyric.org  Mon Mar  6 13:05:18 2006
From: twright at jamestown.wnyric.org (Thom Wright)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 13:05:18 -0500
Subject: runrev for CRM
Message-ID: <fc.007582c0008ee65b007582c0008ee65b.8ee68b@jamestown.wnyric.org>

sorry to bother,  but would anyone point me in the direction of information or someone who has created a CRM, contact relational managment application with runrev.  I'd appreicate any info.

thanks,


Thom Wright
School Counselor
Jefferson Middle School



From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Tue Mar  7 23:38:21 2006
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 20:38:21 -0800
Subject: Sheet command
In-Reply-To: <06531BFC-D2BD-4DA1-BA5C-212459DC58C8@skynet.be>
References: <06531BFC-D2BD-4DA1-BA5C-212459DC58C8@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <5C3EBE22-9FC6-4C66-8B76-FAE613075F24@elementarysoftware.com>

Although it takes a few lines, I do this fairly often with something  
like:

go inv cd "xyz" of stack "abc"
sheet stack "abc"  in stack  "parentstack B"
show stack "abc"

-Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust !)
web     http://elementarysoftware.com/
email   scott at elementarysoftware.com

-----------------------------------------------------------------

On Mar 7, 2006, at 8:25 AM, Yves COPPE wrote:

> Hi list,
>
> Working on mac OS X, I'd like to to something like :
>
> go to cd "xyz" of stack "abc" as sheet in stack "parentstack B"
>
> It doesn't work
> Is there a way to do it ?
>
> The parentstack parameter seems only to work with something like
> sheet stack  "abc" in stack "parentstack B"
>
>
>
> Greetings.
>
> Yves COPPE
> yvescoppe at skynet.be


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Mar  8 05:07:58 2006
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 02:07:58 -0800
Subject: Controlling GIF animation 
In-Reply-To: <20060215193237.86570.qmail@web81908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C033ECFE.34EC8%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, scott Yang wrote:

> Anyway to pause GIF animation in an image or player?

Set the repeatCount of the image to 0.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Mar  8 05:12:32 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 11:12:32 +0100
Subject: Controlling GIF animation 
In-Reply-To: <20060215193237.86570.qmail@web81908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060215193237.86570.qmail@web81908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2BEBB526-2AAC-405A-99AF-92C825F1D865@major-k.de>

Hi Scott,

>   Anyway to pause GIF animation in an image or player?

yes :-)

To stop an animated gif (in an image object):
...
set the repeatcount of img "name fo gif here" to 0
...
will stop the naimation (even if it is displayed inside a button as  
an icon)

...
set the repeatcount of img "name fo gif here" to -1
...
will (start and) loop the animation until the end of time :-)

You might want to take a look at my "The taming of the animated Gif"
stack in Rev online -> user: klausimausi :-)


If you display an animated gif inside a player object, simply start  
or stop the player.



Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From Nitesh.DAHIYA at insead.edu  Wed Mar  8 05:23:19 2006
From: Nitesh.DAHIYA at insead.edu (DAHIYA Nitesh)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 11:23:19 +0100
Subject: Changing the screen resolution...
Message-ID: <29CB66FA5AFE7446BE8729615CE52D790A7C212B@GAIA.FBL.insead.intra>

Hi!!

 

Is there a way so that I can change the resolution of the screen using a
script in metacard itself.?

 

I know that the function screenRect() can display the current
resolution, but can it be also used to change it??

 

Basically I want to make the screen resolution to the size of my current
stack (which is fixed) on opening the stack.

And on closing the stack the screen resolution should again change to
its previous size.

 

That's the problem I m facing....

 

If any body has the solution, please provide.

 

If there is no solution to this, then also please tell..

 

Thanks

Regards

Nitesh

 

 



From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Wed Mar  8 05:43:47 2006
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 11:43:47 +0100
Subject: lockScreen Property Question
Message-ID: <77d4fa72891cd27334d676f47730040f@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Paris,

I have the same problem too, and I have found no
solution.HC was perfect in that field. You could do
a world trip in no time at all, and not a flicker on the
screen. I also await a solution.

-Francis

"Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"




From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Wed Mar  8 05:45:51 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:45:51 +0000
Subject: Latest Version of RunRev for Mac OS 9???
In-Reply-To: <a06110403c03398b450fd@[192.168.1.101]>
References: <C033198A.AD8A%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
	<a06110403c03398b450fd@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <E6E029BC-266F-4AD9-86C1-8B6B1F2303A0@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

I doubt there will be a version 2.7 for MacOS 9 either, the same was  
said about version 2.6.6 and that version didn't materialize. Don't  
understand why version 2.6.1 isn't on their web site tho?

All the Best
Dave

On 7 Mar 2006, at 20:09, Robert Brenstein wrote:

>> Hi Dave... It's Rev 2.6.1 and you have to ask Heather directly.  It's
>> doubtful that 2.7 or later will get to OS 9... Jim
>>
>
> I hope you are wrong, Jim. And the RR web site states that OS9  
> version is coming, whatever that means.
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From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Wed Mar  8 07:11:05 2006
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 13:11:05 +0100
Subject: Sheet command
In-Reply-To: <FA2A8056-2AC9-480A-BBA9-5DCAE2E7A658@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <06531BFC-D2BD-4DA1-BA5C-212459DC58C8@skynet.be>
	<FA2A8056-2AC9-480A-BBA9-5DCAE2E7A658@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <70305D66-C0B1-424C-A1DA-2E257B6ED1C3@skynet.be>


Le 08-mars-06 ? 06:13, Scott Morrow a ?crit :

> Although it takes a few lines, I do this fairly often with  
> something like:
>
> go inv cd "xyz" of stack "abc"
> sheet stack "abc"  in stack  "parentstack B"
> show stack "abc"
>
> -Scott Morrow
>

Thank you. Works fine


Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From tacintosh at maccosm.info  Wed Mar  8 08:04:51 2006
From: tacintosh at maccosm.info (Takaaki Furukawa)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 22:04:51 +0900
Subject: My DreamCard doesn't start
Message-ID: <310e1d856374fcff10a2b8b7544de661@maccosm.info>

My DreamCard 2.5 for Mac OS X doesn't start. The dock icon bounces for 
a couple of times
when I click it, but it quits without warning. I deleted the Pref file 
but no effect.
What should I do?



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Wed Mar  8 08:11:07 2006
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 21:11:07 +0800
Subject: sort of OT, CD names to iTunes
In-Reply-To: <43F85FFD.3010506@tweedly.net>
References: <9913D058-D86D-4301-A350-1C16D1C3BEC4@conncoll.edu>
	<43F85FFD.3010506@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <f73a98160603080511j52f43c1am69c1412777718cb7@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry for being late with this reply but I've been a bit 'listless' lately
and I've left the OT posts to last to browse through. I thought though, as
obviuosly quite a few of us have been through, going through or
contemplating digitizing analog material, I'd share my recent marathon
experience.

Alex Tweedly wrote:

I am 99.9% sure that the track names are not on an audio CD. If they
> were, iTunes, MusicMatch, etc. would surely retrieve them for us,
> wouldn't they ?
>

Yes, you can be 100% sure. If you take a commercial CD and look at it
through the Finder (Mac) or iTunes (cancel the Gracenote lookup) you will
see that the tracks are simply listed as Track 01, Track 02, etc.

Alex also wrote:

> I think today you do:
> 1. LP -> AIFF
> 2. AIFF -> CD
> 3. CD -> iTunes
>

I did it:
1. LP -> AIFF
2. AIFF -> iTunes
3. iTunes -> CD

The only reason I'd recommend this method is that I hate to waste CD space.
Most LPs are only 45 min or less. Quite a few Double LPs can fit on an 80min
CD. So by putting everything in iTunes first I can then add extra tracks
(either by the same artist or of a similar genre to fill the CD.

Some tips to make life easy entering data into iTunes.

1) Set iTunes up to list songs ordered by Album. Drag an album of AIFF files
from the Finder into the iTunes window. They will be grouped together so
when you open the Info window you can use the 'Next' button to sequential
add data.

2)    Once you've entered the first track details (Track name, artist name,
album name etc) press 'OK', NOT 'Next'. By doing so the info is 'registered'
with iTunes and from then on you only have to type the first couple of
letters and the rest will be automatically filled in (obviously doesn't work
for track name). If you don't press 'OK', but use the 'Next' button the auto
entries don't include the data you just entered so you have to type the
whole lot.

Once you've 'OK'ed the first track, for the rest you can use the 'Next'
button and every keystroke will bring up auto-suggestions.

3) Do your albums in REVERSE alphabetical order. Both by Artist and by Album
name. Consider the following list of Artist.

Pet Shop Boys
Pete Townsend
Peter Allen
Peter Blakeley
Peter Cetera
Peter Cetera With Amy Grant
Peter Cetera With Cher
Peter Frampton
Peter Gabriel
Peter Murphy
Peter Murphy and Tom Waits
Peter, Paul & Mary

Because iTunes' intelligent guess works on alphabetical order. If you enter
your Artist/Albums in alphabetical order, to enter the ones by 'Peter Cetera
With Cher' you would have to type 'Peter Cetera With C' before iTunes would
correctly fill in the rest.

But if you work in reverse alphabetical order, all you would need to do is
Type 'P' and the first guess would be 'Peter Cetera With Cher' - that is
after you have entered it the first time. Saves an inordinate amount of
typing.

HTH


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Wed Mar  8 08:26:12 2006
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 21:26:12 +0800
Subject: Common Causes of Crashes?
In-Reply-To: <39E39644-D934-43F4-B13C-EA54C4F95CD2@covcable.com>
References: <39E39644-D934-43F4-B13C-EA54C4F95CD2@covcable.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160603080526h1583b1bfmd71d335733ca11f7@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/1/06, Stephen Paul McNutt <stephenmcnutt at covcable.com> wrote:
>
> I'd like to know some common causes I can look for in
> my scripts.



What were the last things you added to your  stack?

Do you have a backup copy of your stack from a week ago that still works?

Can you open your stack and it only crashes after certain events?

Can you set 'breakpoints' and step through scripts? Look for any instance
where the script suddenly steps to the very end.

Some other details like;

Rev Version, (DreamCard,Studio)(2.6.x,2.7)
OS Version
Hardware - speed and ram

might also help others on the list help you.

HTH


From Liam at freshcutonline.com  Wed Mar  8 08:36:31 2006
From: Liam at freshcutonline.com (Liam Shannon)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:36:31 -0500
Subject: Newbie adventure game question
Message-ID: <4A6F7842-0025-4455-A2EA-BD658A7D1843@freshcutonline.com>

Hello,

I am so new to Revolution that I don't even own it yet. That said, I  
am very excited to join what seems to be a very exciting community  
and growing capability and I hope someday to be able to contribute as  
well as query. For now though, I am just a bunch of questions.

My first question has to do with my main reason for arriving at  
Revolution. I want to create an adventure game. And while I am well- 
schooled in everything from Strata CX to Final Cut Pro,  I (since the  
demise of mTropolis) have no way to bring my individual files  
together in a working app. As a result, I have spent literally months  
and months searching for an app that would let me author on the Mac  
(if I was Windows based I realize I would have more options but that  
is not really an option). To this end, I had been trying to learn a  
program called Pipmak (http://pipmak.sourceforge.net) which is based  
on Lua and allows the creation of a really cool panoramic node-based  
adventure game experience. Unfortunately, as I do not have a  
programming base (since using Basic in the 70's) I can't even figure  
out how to launch Lua on my Mac. And Pipmak doesn't offer the other  
functionality (easy scripting, sound handling, etc.) that I need. So  
here I am.

But, I am still jonesing for the ability to create a 360 degree  
panoramic experience (like the later Myst games) and yet the folks at  
Revolution have informed me that Revolution can only create the kind  
of experience presented in the original Myst - ie. face forward, want  
to look left then click left and dissolve to another straight on  
image of what is on the left. To get beyond this they suggest  
Quicktime VR but I must admit I find Quicktime VR to be very jumpy,  
limited, and somewhat unreal feeling and I would much prefer the kind  
of feeling one gets in the Pipmak demo (http://pipmak.sourceforge.net/ 
downloads.php).

So here (at long last) is the question. Why can't one achieve the  
same effect as Pipmak in Revolution?

If it matters, the Pipmak documentation, which explains how it  
stiches panoramas out of flat images,  is also at the link above.

In advance, thanks for any thoughts.

Liam





Liam Shannon
Creative Director
Fresh Cut Grass Advertising

22 Everett Street
Sherborn, MA 01770
(508)545-2125





From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Wed Mar  8 09:01:24 2006
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:01:24 -0500
Subject: sort of OT, CD names to iTunes
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160603080511j52f43c1am69c1412777718cb7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9913D058-D86D-4301-A350-1C16D1C3BEC4@conncoll.edu>
	<43F85FFD.3010506@tweedly.net>
	<f73a98160603080511j52f43c1am69c1412777718cb7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <846973A9-228E-4786-9FD2-868AE66F7F2D@conncoll.edu>


On Mar 8, 2006, at 8:11 AM, Kay C Lan wrote:

> The only reason I'd recommend this method is that I hate to waste  
> CD space.
> Most LPs are only 45 min or less. Quite a few Double LPs can fit on  
> an 80min
> CD. So by putting everything in iTunes first I can then add extra  
> tracks
> (either by the same artist or of a similar genre to fill the CD.

I decided the opposite -- particularly because so little accessible  
data is available on the audio CD. That leaves the magic-marker label  
on the CD itself the only key to its contents. If that's the title of  
one LP, the problem is minimal; if it's twenty miscellaneous  
tracks . . . CDs are now roughly 20 cents apiece; their storage bulk  
is not much more imposing, if you find a reasonable binder system for  
them.

As for OK vs Next in iTunes, note that if you've burned the tracks to  
CD before importing to iTunes, cmd-I (Get Info) on the CD with no  
track selected lets you fill in album-title and album-artist (and  
album-composer if there's only one) just once, leaving only track  
names and composers to be filled in.

Burn to CD first? It's a tough call, as discussed before on this  
list. My assumption is that I want to end up with AIFFs on the CD  
(for fidelity) and AACs in iTunes (for the huge space savings on my  
hard disk). Given that assumption, burning the CD first turns out to  
be competitive for efficiency with the reverse. And I'm realizing  
that filling in the data on the CD (with Toast Lite, say) is a  
complete waste of timen -- which means it has to be filled in only  
once, when the CD is imported into iTunes.

Charles



From europe at ehug.info  Wed Mar  8 09:09:48 2006
From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 15:09:48 +0100
Subject: Missing Report Builder
In-Reply-To: <s3fe71cd.016@PSYLIN2.LIN.KU.DK>
References: <s3fe71cd.016@PSYLIN2.LIN.KU.DK>
Message-ID: <440EE5AC.2060700@ehug.info>

Hi Kresten,

I looked into the scripts of the report builder and the printing
scripts in the backscripts. It appears that a range of
properties need to be set for the report builder to work
properly. I don't have enough time to figure out where these
properties are set. The scripts for setting the properties might
be in the menu bar or somewhere else, I can't find them in the
backscripts and the report builder stack sript.

It should be possible to write your own script to set the
properties, after figuring out how the report builder and the
printing scripts in the backscripts work.

I'm sure, though, that it much easier to create your own report
stack. Make a stack with one card of the size of a page and put
the fields you need on this card. Use a repeat loop to retrieve
information from other stacks and print the card. This is all
the report builder does.

Best,

Mark


Kresten Bjerg wrote:
> In the Revolution Documentation concerning revPrintReport the
>  description refers to its function as printing a report, you
> have set up in the Report Builder.And there is reference to
> the tools menu having a submenu "Report Builder". But
> although I have a Studio IDE, v 2.6.1 there is no trace of
> the report builder in the menu. However: down in the tools
> folder, I do find a revreportsetup.rev stack! But it is hard
> to guess, how it can be used. In the revPrintReport
> documentation it says: See also..."How do I create a report
> layout card" .... " but it is a lame link ! I have searched
> this list, and find lots of references to report builder, but
> it looks as if quartam reports by Jan Schenkel has suceeded
> in pushing the evident professional commercial interests in
> selling a highly developed tool, where 129 dollars is
> necessary.As I am developing a freeware standalone, and need
> very limited pre-organized reporting options: 4 week cards of
> a calendar on a page, a list-format for an adresses stack, 
> simple tasks in hypercard 10 years ago, I wonder.... I had
> expected at least to find something like the printreport of
> hypercard,-converted to revolution -The revreportsetup.rev
> stack may be the answer, but where do I find the answer to
> the "How do I create a report layout-card?" question.

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From mark at maseurope.net  Wed Mar  8 09:45:37 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 14:45:37 +0000
Subject: Revolution vs Visual Basic
In-Reply-To: <d9f20020603052243w28dec86bn1b00ba0fbb017319@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9f20020603052243w28dec86bn1b00ba0fbb017319@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3A537F50-235B-476E-BCE2-225026E7E719@maseurope.net>

Haitham, I can't answer anything like all your questions, but I'll  
have a go at what I can:

On 6 Mar 2006, at 06:43, Haitham Abdulla wrote:

>
> Question (2):
>
> VB .NET has some great built-in components and I want to ask whether
> Revolution has them. Some of those components are:
>
> a.      Font Dialog Box
    no, but I think something may be available from someone on this  
list.
>
> b.     Color Dialog Box
    yes

> c.     Save Dialog Box
    yes
>
> d.     Print Dialog Box
    yes
>
>
>
> Question (3):
>
> VB .NET has the Tree Component which makes you able to build something
> similar to the trees of folders and files in Windows Explorer. It  
> is very
> easy to use and you can expand and add items into the tree  
> dynamically. Is
> there something similar in Revolution? Is it easy to do such thing?
Not built in, but I think there are a couple of tree view components  
from users of this list

> Question (4):
>
> We can build easily a Tool Bar in VB .NET and add icons in the Tool  
> Bar. We
> can also easily draw pictures for the icons within VB .NET or we  
> can attach
> any saved pictures to the icons.
>
> Is there something similar in Revolution? Is it easy to do so?
>
If you mean a row of buttons with custom icons, extremely easy
>
> Question (5):
>
> We, as programmers, used to use some techniques and algorithms in our
> programs. Sometimes we need to use Stacks, Queues, Hash Tables,
> Dictionaries, etc. All these objects, or most of them, are built in  
> VB .NET
> and we can use them easily.

not really, but a lot of the power in Revolution is in it's chunk  
expressions, and many different kinds of structures can be easily  
made and used.
Important to know is that in Revolution, effectively everything is a  
string, there are no types. This is both a disadvantage and a huge  
advantage.
A little out of my depth in saying this, but I don't think Revolution  
would be optimal for writing large and complex image manipulation  
routines, for example.

I'll leave it there, as I have no experience of VB, so perhaps others  
can offer useful comparisons.

Best

Mark


From jhurley at infostations.com  Wed Mar  8 09:52:56 2006
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 06:52:56 -0800
Subject: Scrollbar to drag through a movie?
In-Reply-To: <20060308073930.27F688262C4@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060308073930.27F688262C4@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p0623090bc034994ccec4@[10.0.1.2]>

Klaus Major wrote:

>
>Hi Jim,
>
>>  Klaus,
>>
>>  Sorry to be so dense about this, but I presume that the "QT 
>>  controller" must first be loaded into RR for it to appear in the 
>>  inspector. That's what I don't get: How do I load the controller 
>>  into RR?
>
>That's just an option for a (QT) player object, just like the 
>controller bar in the QuickTime Player!
>
>Create a player and check "Controller" on the "Basic Properties" tab 
>of the inspector, that's all.
>It's not magic, ladies and gentlemen :-)


Klaus,

It's always magic the first time!

There is a considerable lag if one uses one's own scroll bar verses 
the scroll bar built into the controller using the handler:

on scrollbardrag tNew
   set the currenttime of player "myPlayer" to tNew
end scrollbardrag


I couldn't find the messages described in the documentation under "player" i.e.

"To see a list of messages that can be sent to a player as a result 
of user actions or internal Revolution events, open the "Transcript 
Language Dictionary" page of the main Documentation window, and 
choose "Player Messages" from the Show menu at the top. To see a list 
of all the properties a player can have, choose "Player Properties" 
from the Show menu." (RR 2.6.1)

>
>>  I spoke to Mark Waddingham at Monterey about this screen refresh 
>>  problem in Mac OS X and he said (I think) that he was going to fix 
>>  it. Maybe I should remind him.
>
>That is supposed to get fixed in 2.7.1 (or already 2.7).


That is good news. I'll wait for 2.7.1. (I thought you said it was 
not fixed in 2.7) The grass is always greener on the other side of 
the current version.

Thanks for your help.

Jim

From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Wed Mar  8 10:23:27 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:23:27 +0000
Subject: 2.7 bugs
In-Reply-To: <001901c63ab6$0696e8d0$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>
References: <001901c63ab6$0696e8d0$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>
Message-ID: <403AED7B-CF0E-4CB5-89F4-54D56064CA12@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

If I were you I'd see if you can get ahold of a 2.6.6 version of  
RunRev. 2.7 is so buggy that I have stopped using it until a new  
version is released.

All the Best
Dave

On 26 Feb 2006, at 09:21, Andy wrote:

> Anyone else here bought 2.7 and can't get it to register? Mine just  
> takes
> the key, runs then on next launching says "you've got 28 days left".
>
> I've emailed support, but as I'm completely new to Rev, I thought  
> I'd ask in
> case I was missing something obvious.
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From mikeythek at gmail.com  Wed Mar  8 10:28:05 2006
From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:28:05 -0500
Subject: Revolution vs Visual Basic
In-Reply-To: <3A537F50-235B-476E-BCE2-225026E7E719@maseurope.net>
References: <d9f20020603052243w28dec86bn1b00ba0fbb017319@mail.gmail.com>
	<3A537F50-235B-476E-BCE2-225026E7E719@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <9b408d8e0603080728o274af01eu874e54324d5115d6@mail.gmail.com>

> Important to know is that in Revolution, effectively everything is a
> string, there are no types. This is both a disadvantage and a huge
> advantage.

This is misleading.  Variables in all xtalk languages are not
strongly-typed.  They are not strings, longints, reals, booleans, or
anything else.  As programmers people frequently think of untyped
variables as strings simply because it is the type that is most
commonly used in all programming.  However, since variables are
untyped, it is possible to take pi, for instance, and in one statement
use it in a mathematical expression:

put pi*diameter into circumference

And then on the very next line use it as a string:

answer "The circumference is:"&&circumference


While one of the real strengths of xtalk languages is that they have
very strong string manipulation routines through chunk expressions,
that does not make variables in an xtalk language a string.  The
difference may seem subtle, but it is important - there is no need to
cast a variable when it is used in different contexts.
--
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Mar  8 10:43:06 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 16:43:06 +0100
Subject: OT: what makes a bundle a bundle on OS X?
Message-ID: <2C660824-8E0D-4719-B2BD-BFE9E897FAE9@major-k.de>

Hi friends,

maybe someone can explain the following to me, i am very curious :-)

Some Bundles appear as ONE file -> revxml.bundle
and some appear as a folder -> revdb.bundle

What is the difference?
Thanks in advance.


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Wed Mar  8 10:45:28 2006
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 12:45:28 -0300
Subject: Revolution vs Visual Basic
Message-ID: <440EFC18.6000300@howsoft.com>

Haitham/Mark wrote:

 >Question (3):
 >>
 >> VB .NET has the Tree Component which makes you able to build something
 >> similar to the trees of folders and files in Windows Explorer. It
 >> is very
 >> easy to use and you can expand and add items into the tree
 >> dynamically. Is
 >> there something similar in Revolution? Is it easy to do such thing?

 >Not built in, but I think there are a couple of tree view components
 >from users of this list

-------------------------------------------------------------------
Haitham:

Please visit the following webpage for details of file/picture chooser 
widgets written in Rev:

http://www.howsoft.com/runrev/stacks.htm

These widgets do, of course, include HD trees.

The standalone widgets exist for Windows XP/2000 and Ubuntu Linux. In 
view of the fact that I do not possess sufficient machines for testing 
versions for MAC and other flavours of Linux, I intend to release the 
source stacks so that other developers can make the adaptions for these 
platforms. I shall be releasing the stacks within the next few days.

What this means for you personally, apart from using the widgets as they 
stand, is that you can adapt the HD treeviews as you want.

I don't know whether or not other programmers would find it easy or 
difficult to produce HD treeviews in Rev. The fact is, that so far they 
don't seem to have done it very much. Certainly, for me, the development 
of these stacks was non-trivial to say the least. (On the other hand, it 
was my first real attempt at producing an application in Rev. In actual 
fact, I did it in VB6 first, and then "translated" it into Transcript.)

I believe that one other programmer has produced a treeview widget 
fairly recently (but NOT for the HD), which you can add to or subtract 
from. If you look back on the Use-Rev Lists, you are sure to find it

Regards,
Bob Warren



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Mar  8 10:56:54 2006
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 07:56:54 -0800
Subject: Best source for examples
In-Reply-To: <00dc01c63bbd$bb2fd650$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>
References: <00dc01c63bbd$bb2fd650$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>
Message-ID: <6E3D6ACF-1E5E-4E1E-9BBB-46FD678EE4D9@mangomultimedia.com>

On Feb 27, 2006, at 8:49 AM, Andy wrote:

> Can anyone point me to some resources, examples etc for Rev? I'm  
> new to it
> (i.e. last Friday), and being a PHP programmer, I'm still trying to  
> get my
> head around the concepts!

Hi Andy,

I imagine you have 2.7 so check out Help->Getting Started and Help- 
 >User Guide.  Also check out the Rev scripting conferences at  
<http://downloads.runrev.com/section/scriptingconferences.php>.

Having moved from PHP as a primary development language to Rev, I  
would recommend the following:

1) Get really familiar with the Revolution message path.   
Understanding the message path can bring you joy, not understanding  
the message path will bring you pain ;-)  Check out Richard Gaskin's  
article on it "Extending the Runtime Revolution Message Path" at  
<http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/ 
revolution_message_path.html>

2) Become familiar with chunk expressions and the Transcript array.   
Transcript doesn't have objects and arrays like PHP but you will find  
that you can often use Transcript "lists" where you used PHP arrays  
and Transcript "arrays" where you used PHP objects.  You just need to  
get into the Transcript mindset.  Open the User Guide from 2.7 and  
search for Array.  That should bring up some useful information.  The  
scripting conference has a session on chunks.

3) Search for "start using" in Help->Dictionary.  This is basically  
what you can use as a replacement for "require" and "include" in PHP  
if you have code you want available everywhere in a project.

4) Unfortunately, Revolution doesn't have any application frameworks  
that are publicly available at the moment.  This means everyone is  
kind of on their own.  You have to create your own standard  
libraries, user data storage routines (prefs and application state  
such as window positions, etc.).  This isn't a show stopper but is a  
HUGE barrier to entry for new developers IMO.  Look at creating your  
own libraries (see point 3) of common routines.

Hopefully that will get you started.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems - http://www.bluemangolearning.com
trevor at bluemangolearning.com




From a.calloway at callowaygreen.com  Wed Mar  8 11:18:10 2006
From: a.calloway at callowaygreen.com (Andy Calloway)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 16:18:10 -0000
Subject: Best source for examples
In-Reply-To: <6E3D6ACF-1E5E-4E1E-9BBB-46FD678EE4D9@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <009b01c642cb$e4c94db0$0200a8c0@ACERLaptop>

Hi Trevor,

Thanks for all the info, I've been going through the help files over the
past few days, but I think I need to put a few hours to one side to really
get to grips with it.

Cheers,

Andy. 

Hi Andy,

I imagine you have 2.7 so check out Help->Getting Started and Help-  >User
Guide.  Also check out the Rev scripting conferences at
<http://downloads.runrev.com/section/scriptingconferences.php>.

Having moved from PHP as a primary development language to Rev, I would
recommend the following:

1) Get really familiar with the Revolution message path.   
Understanding the message path can bring you joy, not understanding the
message path will bring you pain ;-)  Check out Richard Gaskin's article on
it "Extending the Runtime Revolution Message Path" at
<http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/
revolution_message_path.html>

2) Become familiar with chunk expressions and the Transcript array.   
Transcript doesn't have objects and arrays like PHP but you will find that
you can often use Transcript "lists" where you used PHP arrays and
Transcript "arrays" where you used PHP objects.  You just need to get into
the Transcript mindset.  Open the User Guide from 2.7 and search for Array.
That should bring up some useful information.  The scripting conference has
a session on chunks.

3) Search for "start using" in Help->Dictionary.  This is basically what you
can use as a replacement for "require" and "include" in PHP if you have code
you want available everywhere in a project.

4) Unfortunately, Revolution doesn't have any application frameworks that
are publicly available at the moment.  This means everyone is kind of on
their own.  You have to create your own standard libraries, user data
storage routines (prefs and application state such as window positions,
etc.).  This isn't a show stopper but is a HUGE barrier to entry for new
developers IMO.  Look at creating your own libraries (see point 3) of common
routines.

Hopefully that will get you started.

--
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems - http://www.bluemangolearning.com
trevor at bluemangolearning.com


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From rcozens at pon.net  Wed Mar  8 11:39:48 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:39:48 -0800
Subject: 2.7 bugs
In-Reply-To: <001901c63ab6$0696e8d0$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>
References: <001901c63ab6$0696e8d0$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>
Message-ID: <281DE1BE-AEC2-11DA-9816-0030657E1638@pon.net>


Hi  Andy,

> Anyone else here bought 2.7 and can't get it to register?

I had no problem here with the same license code I received for v2.6.1.

Are you typing the code into the boxes or importing it from the 
Clipboard?

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From rcozens at pon.net  Wed Mar  8 11:40:10 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:40:10 -0800
Subject: No OpenStack ..... ! continued
In-Reply-To: <c334c6cec74a4afc32231f723ed22acb@wanadoo.fr>
References: <c334c6cec74a4afc32231f723ed22acb@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <35666C36-AEC2-11DA-9816-0030657E1638@pon.net>

Hi Francis,

> You say  :
>
> |  The main issue I had was created by moving uncompressed stacks from 
> Mac
> |  to PC.
> |
> |  Once I began compressing stacks on the Mac & decompressing on my 
> TPC,
> |  all but minor problems went away.
>
> Could you clarify just a little please ? My curiosity is aroused !
>

Before I upgraded to RRv2.6.1, I was using v2.1.2 on MacOS Classic and 
MacOSX Macs.  When I renewed my license, I chose a Studio license for 
Windows, as my preferred platform is the Tablet PC.

In my first attempt at moving my Mac stacks to WinXP, I simply plugged 
my Lexar JumpDrive into a USB slot on the Mac, dragged the stack files 
to the JumpDrive, and reversed the process on the TPC.  (I had been 
using this technique to move files between MacOS Classic and MacOSX for 
some time with no problem.)

Some stacks seemed to survive this process and run OK; but others 
didn't.  Most especially, I would get "there was an error creating the 
standalone" errors from the Standalone Builder.

Based on suggestions from this List, I revised my stack file transfer 
procedure so that the stack files are compressed on the Mac before 
dragging them to the JumpDrive and decompressed on the TPC.  When this 
was done, the stacks that wouldn't build correctly previously did build 
working standalone apps.

Others used zip format, I use SDB_Tools plugIn's Compress/Expand folder 
menuItems, and one could probably use Rev's gzip facility (though the 
later must be applied on a file-by-file basis).

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From a.calloway at callowaygreen.com  Wed Mar  8 12:30:39 2006
From: a.calloway at callowaygreen.com (Andy Calloway)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 17:30:39 -0000
Subject: 2.7 bugs
In-Reply-To: <281DE1BE-AEC2-11DA-9816-0030657E1638@pon.net>
Message-ID: <000e01c642d6$04d74850$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>

I've got it working now. I downloaded the full install rather than the net
install and it worked a treat. 

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Rob Cozens
Sent: 08 March 2006 16:40
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: 2.7 bugs


Hi  Andy,

> Anyone else here bought 2.7 and can't get it to register?

I had no problem here with the same license code I received for v2.6.1.

Are you typing the code into the boxes or importing it from the Clipboard?

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the
best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Wed Mar  8 12:46:22 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:46:22 -0800
Subject: Latest Version of RunRev for Mac OS 9???
In-Reply-To: <E6E029BC-266F-4AD9-86C1-8B6B1F2303A0@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <C033198A.AD8A%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
	<a06110403c03398b450fd@[192.168.1.101]>
	<E6E029BC-266F-4AD9-86C1-8B6B1F2303A0@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <p06230900c034c83ee6c8@[192.168.1.101]>

The OS9 version was promised, and I have no doubt they will deliver 
it. It's too  important to the educational market. I heard the 
difficulty is that they have to use a new compiler for OS9. I think 
they don't want a non- version 2.7 out there.


>Hi,
>
>I doubt there will be a version 2.7 for MacOS 9 either, the same was 
>said about version 2.6.6 and that version didn't materialize. Don't 
>understand why version 2.6.1 isn't on their web site tho?
>
>All the Best
>Dave
>
>On 7 Mar 2006, at 20:09, Robert Brenstein wrote:
>
>>>Hi Dave... It's Rev 2.6.1 and you have to ask Heather directly.  It's
>>>doubtful that 2.7 or later will get to OS 9... Jim
>>>
>>
>>I hope you are wrong, Jim. And the RR web site states that OS9 
>>version is coming, whatever that means.
>>_______________________________________________

-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -


From soapdog at mac.com  Wed Mar  8 12:48:15 2006
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 14:48:15 -0300
Subject: Best source for examples
In-Reply-To: <00dc01c63bbd$bb2fd650$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>
References: <00dc01c63bbd$bb2fd650$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>
Message-ID: <2F2D12FB-7385-4F9D-8E06-BB3C7E64D0D2@mac.com>

Andy,

try RevOnline. Just click on RevOnline button on the main IDE. Lots  
of Freebies there.

be welcome to the Revolution.

Cheers
andre
On Feb 27, 2006, at 1:49 PM, Andy wrote:

> Can anyone point me to some resources, examples etc for Rev? I'm  
> new to it
> (i.e. last Friday), and being a PHP programmer, I'm still trying to  
> get my
> head around the concepts!
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Mar  8 13:01:42 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 12:01:42 -0600
Subject: how to re-open stack
In-Reply-To: <3008229.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <3008229.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <440F1C06.7030401@hyperactivesw.com>

stevex64 wrote:
> Hi all. I haven't used Rev for about 6 months, and I have the latest version.
> It seems there was a way in the last version I had where I could re-open the
> stack I was working in from a menu item. But I can't find it now. Any ideas? 

There is an "open recent file" item in the File menu. That should do it.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From soapdog at mac.com  Wed Mar  8 13:03:19 2006
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:03:19 -0300
Subject: OT: what makes a bundle a bundle on OS X?
In-Reply-To: <2C660824-8E0D-4719-B2BD-BFE9E897FAE9@major-k.de>
References: <2C660824-8E0D-4719-B2BD-BFE9E897FAE9@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <41D371E8-FE3D-47F1-8A4A-2DF68F532059@mac.com>

Klaus,

from a quick look. Bundles have the "BDNL" file type. Revdb.bundle  
has a "APPL" file type.

revxml has a pkgInfo file with it's bundle file type and no creator.  
revdb.bundle has a info.plist file listing APPL as the bundle type...  
and so on.

They are both bundles, but of a different nature.

If you're looking into creating bundles, try creating a folder with  
with a 'Contents' subfolder, inside that folder try putting a pkgInfo  
text file with "BDNL????", it might work... There are technical docs  
at the ADC site about bundles "About Bundles" <http:// 
developer.apple.com/documentation/CoreFoundation/Conceptual/CFBundles/ 
Concepts/about.html>

In this ADC docs, you'll learn all about modern bundle structures and  
where to put each file. A bundle is not just a pretty folder?

Cheers
andre

On Mar 8, 2006, at 12:43 PM, Klaus Major wrote:

> Hi friends,
>
> maybe someone can explain the following to me, i am very curious :-)
>
> Some Bundles appear as ONE file -> revxml.bundle
> and some appear as a folder -> revdb.bundle
>
> What is the difference?
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Klaus Major
> klaus at major-k.de
> http://www.major-k.de
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Mar  8 13:06:43 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 12:06:43 -0600
Subject: Revolution & MS Word Question
In-Reply-To: <000f01c63bd3$d068b8a0$580aa8c0@escomfg.escomfg.com>
References: <000f01c63bd3$d068b8a0$580aa8c0@escomfg.escomfg.com>
Message-ID: <440F1D33.5060509@hyperactivesw.com>

Dave Hauge wrote:
> To whom it may concern,
> The application I am thinking of building is a sales order entry app that
> will have multiple drop down windows associated with corresponding text
> boxes (see attached). Is it possible with the Revolution Studio product to
> tie a MS Word "bookmark" to each of the text boxes so within the application
> I can click a button and have the app launch MS Word and dump the content of
> each of the text boxes into the corresponding bookmark fields in a
> pre-formatted Word template (i.e. the Word document would look very similar
> to the app input)? Or is there a more efficient way to do this?

One good way to do this is to create the Word template first, and insert 
placeholders for each item that you will later fill with actual data. 
For example, put something like "***NAME***" in the place where a name 
will go, or "***TOTAL***" in the place where a sum total will go. Save 
the file. If you want, you can store the file inside a custom property 
in your stack so that it doesn't have to reside on disk.

Then in Revolution, you open the file (or put the custom property into a 
variable) and use the "replace" command to replace your placeholders 
with actual values:

   replace "***NAME***" with tName in myTemplateFile

Once that is done, save the file to disk under a new name, and then use 
the "launch" command to open the file with MS Word.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Mar  8 13:07:50 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 12:07:50 -0600
Subject: Common Causes of Crashes?
In-Reply-To: <39E39644-D934-43F4-B13C-EA54C4F95CD2@covcable.com>
References: <39E39644-D934-43F4-B13C-EA54C4F95CD2@covcable.com>
Message-ID: <440F1D76.8040905@hyperactivesw.com>

Stephen Paul McNutt wrote:
> I know that causes of "crashes" has been discussed, but I can't find  it 
> in the archives.  I've got a stack that started crashing  yesterday, and 
> I'd like to know some common causes I can look for in  my scripts.  

One of the most common things is badly formatted images. Did you 
recently import any new images?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Wed Mar  8 13:10:09 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 18:10:09 +0000
Subject: Latest Version of RunRev for Mac OS 9???
In-Reply-To: <p06230900c034c83ee6c8@[192.168.1.101]>
References: <C033198A.AD8A%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
	<a06110403c03398b450fd@[192.168.1.101]>
	<E6E029BC-266F-4AD9-86C1-8B6B1F2303A0@dsl.pipex.com>
	<p06230900c034c83ee6c8@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <C381A397-1F31-497B-BE46-388B2540DCFC@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

So was the 2.6.6 version promised, however we are still waiting for it.


I agree it is important to the educational market (as well as other  
markets) which is why it blows my mind that there is no download  
available for it.

I have no intention of porting my MacOS 9 only stacks to 2.7, it's  
just not worth it, but I would like to be able to download a version  
of RunRev that works on MacOS 9 NOW, regardless of the version number!

I really can't see the point of removing a working version of RunRev  
for MacOS 9 from the website and replacing it with nothing! Surely it  
would be better to leave the existing version available and then if  
and when 2.7 comes along replace it then?

In the meantime, here I am twiddling my thumbs waiting for someone  
from RunRev to contact me and send the latest version (which I have a  
license for).

All the Best
Dave

On 8 Mar 2006, at 17:46, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> The OS9 version was promised, and I have no doubt they will deliver  
> it. It's too  important to the educational market. I heard the  
> difficulty is that they have to use a new compiler for OS9. I think  
> they don't want a non- version 2.7 out there.
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I doubt there will be a version 2.7 for MacOS 9 either, the same  
>> was said about version 2.6.6 and that version didn't materialize.  
>> Don't understand why version 2.6.1 isn't on their web site tho?
>>
>> All the Best
>> Dave
>>
>> On 7 Mar 2006, at 20:09, Robert Brenstein wrote:
>>
>>>> Hi Dave... It's Rev 2.6.1 and you have to ask Heather directly.   
>>>> It's
>>>> doubtful that 2.7 or later will get to OS 9... Jim
>>>>
>>>
>>> I hope you are wrong, Jim. And the RR web site states that OS9  
>>> version is coming, whatever that means.
>>> _______________________________________________
>
> -- 
> stephen barncard
> s a n  f r a n c i s c o
> - - -  - - - - - - - - -
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From liamlambert at mac.com  Wed Mar  8 13:14:34 2006
From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 18:14:34 +0000
Subject: importing list
Message-ID: <3A40A518-4B0F-41E6-B11B-B9402097AD2A@mac.com>

I have a large amount of plane text files that are laid out like this  
Below


Name:

Roll Number:

Address:

Principal/Director:

Phone:

Fax:

Email:

Website:

Female Enrolment:

Male Enrolment:

Type: Primary

I want to import the info that is after the  colon into fields of the  
same name as the list above the list repeats name roll number ect
Liam Lambert
liamlambert at mac.com
IRELAND




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Mar  8 13:16:48 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 12:16:48 -0600
Subject: Slow Dialogs in Rev 2.7
In-Reply-To: <C0344DB0.409C%paulclaude@postino.it>
References: <C0344DB0.409C%paulclaude@postino.it>
Message-ID: <440F1F90.8020304@hyperactivesw.com>

Paul Claude wrote:
> Yes, is delayed. As I told you, also the Rev. dialogs are slow; as example,
> when I close the script editor, it needs several seconds to appears the
> "save" dialog. And, if I want to rename some custom property through the
> inspector panel, the "ask" dialog appears always after 7/10 seconds.

I am completely puzzled. I don't think anyone else has this problem or 
they would have said so. It must be something about your particular 
system. All I can suggest is to reinstall Revolution.

Sometimes virus checkers interfere and cause slowdowns, but that doesn't 
seem too likely since your other windows open okay.

If you have any custom plugins, try removing them and restarting Rev. 
Also make sure you have no custom frontscripts or backscripts. I hope 
someone else can think of other things to try, because what is happening 
is not normal behavior.

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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Wed Mar  8 13:28:15 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 10:28:15 -0800
Subject: Revolution vs Visual Basic
In-Reply-To: <3A537F50-235B-476E-BCE2-225026E7E719@maseurope.net>
References: <d9f20020603052243w28dec86bn1b00ba0fbb017319@mail.gmail.com>
	<3A537F50-235B-476E-BCE2-225026E7E719@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <440F223F.50600@paraboliclogic.com>

Mark Smith wrote:
> Haitham, I can't answer anything like all your questions, but I'll have 
> a go at what I can:
> 
> On 6 Mar 2006, at 06:43, Haitham Abdulla wrote:
> 
>>
>> Question (2):
>>
>> VB .NET has some great built-in components and I want to ask whether
>> Revolution has them. Some of those components are:
>>
>> a.      Font Dialog Box
>    no, but I think something may be available from someone on this list.

The following will at least get a list of ANSI fonts and sort them in 
alphabetical order for you:

put fontNames() into varTempPreProcess
put the number of lines of varTempPreProcess into varTemp
put 1 into varCounter
repeat varTemp times
   put line varCounter of varTempPreProcess into varTempFont
   if the fontLanguage of varTempFont is "ANSI" then
     put varTempFont & return after varFontMenuBuild
   end if
   put varCounter + 1 into varCounter
end repeat
sort lines of varFontMenuBuild


the variable "varFontMenuBuild" now holds the sorted list of fonts. 
 From there you can either make your own font dialog, or maybe a menu.

There are probably other ways of doing this, but this is what I have. 
I've only been using Rev since late 2005, so I'm not an old pro at it 
yet like so many others here.  ;-)

-Garrett


From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Wed Mar  8 13:29:33 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:29:33 -0800
Subject: The End of Dreamcard? -- but life after death?
In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e0603070647m3a5ffba9t199d93221e91d9df@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20060304180004.61437825BC8@mail.runrev.com>
	<3F15F503-FD60-41C4-B6EF-452F42623AF8@siphonophore.com>
	<f73a98160603061956n16f7a09dmc1d95bddf05e3f5a@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b408d8e0603070647m3a5ffba9t199d93221e91d9df@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603081029v73fc4d42j9cd6086c43589dd2@mail.gmail.com>

Mikey....

You clearly were absent from class the day they distributed the well-known
Kool-Aid of the Priesthood of Programming!

I'm surprised they let you graduate.

:-)

Dan


On 3/7/06, Mikey <mikeythek at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I am still constantly amazed that HC refugees are still cropping up on
> this
> > list. I think the lesson here (and this list) is that there are an
> > incredible amount of extremely clever people out there with a
> mind-boggling
> > array of NEW ideas they'd like to turn into software, but programming is
> not
> > their idea of fun. HC went a long way in taking the 'pro' out of
> programming
> > but for many it still is hard work.
>
> Yeah, well, I have been a programmer for 30 years (took my first
> college-level class when I was in grade school), and have a BA in CS.
> Yet HT and by extension XT are by far my favorite languages.
> Something is clearly wrong with me.
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
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From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Mar  8 13:29:52 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 19:29:52 +0100
Subject: OT: what makes a bundle a bundle on OS X?
In-Reply-To: <41D371E8-FE3D-47F1-8A4A-2DF68F532059@mac.com>
References: <2C660824-8E0D-4719-B2BD-BFE9E897FAE9@major-k.de>
	<41D371E8-FE3D-47F1-8A4A-2DF68F532059@mac.com>
Message-ID: <024271DF-AD1B-44A0-9AD5-B98BA9718561@major-k.de>

Boa tarde Andre,

> Klaus,
>
> from a quick look. Bundles have the "BDNL" file type. Revdb.bundle  
> has a "APPL" file type.
> revxml has a pkgInfo file with it's bundle file type and no  
> creator. revdb.bundle has a info.plist file listing APPL as the  
> bundle type... and so on.
> They are both bundles, but of a different nature.
>
> If you're looking into creating bundles,

oh no, no chance, I was just curious!

> try creating a folder with with a 'Contents' subfolder, inside that  
> folder try putting a pkgInfo text file with "BDNL????", it might  
> work... There are technical docs at the ADC site about bundles  
> "About Bundles" <http://developer.apple.com/documentation/ 
> CoreFoundation/Conceptual/CFBundles/Concepts/about.html>
>
> In this ADC docs, you'll learn all about modern bundle structures  
> and where to put each file.

Thank you very much for this explanation, my spanish friend :-D

> A bundle is not just a pretty folder?

Just like an application package...

> Cheers
> andre

Best from gerfew ehmm... germany :-)

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Wed Mar  8 13:32:28 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 10:32:28 -0800
Subject: answer file with filter problem
In-Reply-To: <1B58E10A-D965-441F-A5DC-CA5FA69F2E64@major-k.de>
References: <440E22C9.9040809@paraboliclogic.com>
	<1B58E10A-D965-441F-A5DC-CA5FA69F2E64@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <440F233C.8010003@paraboliclogic.com>

Klaus Major wrote:

[snip]

> your script(s) above will work wonderfully on a windows pc :-)
> 
> But since you are using a mac (I guessed from your mail header, please 
> do always
> mention the platform you are using) you need another syntax -> 
> "answer... WITH TYPE ..."

Thank you Klaus.  I was getting all confused in the docs on this.

-Garrett


From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Wed Mar  8 13:34:08 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:34:08 -0800
Subject: OT: forum etiquette
In-Reply-To: <ACE78458-02B8-47F9-9D43-C003617F5DB9@hindu.org>
References: <ACE78458-02B8-47F9-9D43-C003617F5DB9@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603081034n28debaael86bf2f827a23f961@mail.gmail.com>

I can only say "Amen!"

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From cmsheffield at gmail.com  Wed Mar  8 13:34:52 2006
From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 11:34:52 -0700
Subject: Latest Version of RunRev for Mac OS 9???
In-Reply-To: <C381A397-1F31-497B-BE46-388B2540DCFC@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <C033198A.AD8A%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
	<a06110403c03398b450fd@[192.168.1.101]>
	<E6E029BC-266F-4AD9-86C1-8B6B1F2303A0@dsl.pipex.com>
	<p06230900c034c83ee6c8@[192.168.1.101]>
	<C381A397-1F31-497B-BE46-388B2540DCFC@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <94DD4B99-DFAF-4A3A-BE09-F795B16FCAD9@gmail.com>

Dave,

You can grab version 2.6.1 from here:

<ftp://ftp.runrev.com/pub/revolution/downloads/distributions/2.6.1/ 
revolution.sit>

Hopefully that'll get you by.  It is kind of strange they removed the  
download link for the current OS 9 version...

Chris


On Mar 8, 2006, at 11:10 AM, David Burgun wrote:

> Hi,
>
> So was the 2.6.6 version promised, however we are still waiting for  
> it.
>
>
> I agree it is important to the educational market (as well as other  
> markets) which is why it blows my mind that there is no download  
> available for it.
>
> I have no intention of porting my MacOS 9 only stacks to 2.7, it's  
> just not worth it, but I would like to be able to download a  
> version of RunRev that works on MacOS 9 NOW, regardless of the  
> version number!
>
> I really can't see the point of removing a working version of  
> RunRev for MacOS 9 from the website and replacing it with nothing!  
> Surely it would be better to leave the existing version available  
> and then if and when 2.7 comes along replace it then?
>
> In the meantime, here I am twiddling my thumbs waiting for someone  
> from RunRev to contact me and send the latest version (which I have  
> a license for).
>
> All the Best
> Dave
>
> On 8 Mar 2006, at 17:46, Stephen Barncard wrote:
>
>> The OS9 version was promised, and I have no doubt they will  
>> deliver it. It's too  important to the educational market. I heard  
>> the difficulty is that they have to use a new compiler for OS9. I  
>> think they don't want a non- version 2.7 out there.
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I doubt there will be a version 2.7 for MacOS 9 either, the same  
>>> was said about version 2.6.6 and that version didn't materialize.  
>>> Don't understand why version 2.6.1 isn't on their web site tho?
>>>
>>> All the Best
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On 7 Mar 2006, at 20:09, Robert Brenstein wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Hi Dave... It's Rev 2.6.1 and you have to ask Heather  
>>>>> directly.  It's
>>>>> doubtful that 2.7 or later will get to OS 9... Jim
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I hope you are wrong, Jim. And the RR web site states that OS9  
>>>> version is coming, whatever that means.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> -- 
>> stephen barncard
>> s a n  f r a n c i s c o
>> - - -  - - - - - - - - -
>> _______________________________________________
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>> subscription preferences:
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------------------------------------------
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Read Naturally
The Fluency Company
http://www.readnaturally.com
------------------------------------------




From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Wed Mar  8 13:37:06 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:37:06 -0800
Subject: runrev for CRM
In-Reply-To: <fc.007582c0008ee65b007582c0008ee65b.8ee68b@jamestown.wnyric.org>
References: <fc.007582c0008ee65b007582c0008ee65b.8ee68b@jamestown.wnyric.org>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603081037g18d7a81an90aada84a2c208eb@mail.gmail.com>

Thom....

Not sure exactly what you mean here, so it might help to clarify.

CRM = CUSTOMER (not Contact) relations (not relational) management system
used in business to track interactions with customers, sales, etc.

But you COULD mean a Contact Manager, aka sophisticated address book.

If you clarify that, someone may be able to provide an answer.

On 3/6/06, Thom Wright <twright at jamestown.wnyric.org> wrote:
>
> sorry to bother,  but would anyone point me in the direction of
> information or someone who has created a CRM, contact relational managment
> application with runrev.  I'd appreicate any info.
>
> thanks,
>
>
> Thom Wright
> School Counselor
> Jefferson Middle School
>
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From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Wed Mar  8 13:43:21 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:43:21 -0800
Subject: 2.7 bugs
In-Reply-To: <403AED7B-CF0E-4CB5-89F4-54D56064CA12@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <001901c63ab6$0696e8d0$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>
	<403AED7B-CF0E-4CB5-89F4-54D56064CA12@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603081043t5c13d72ao67d884d9acf37bce@mail.gmail.com>

David.....

Your remark is a *little* off the mark, I think and I'd hate to see it left
lying around without comment for newbies and investigators to stumble over.

First, as far as I can tell from reading this list and other conversations,
the problems with 2.7 are almost exclusively with the Windows version of the
IDE. OS X works pretty nearly flawlessly (allowing for the fact that all
software has bugs) and apps built in it for delivery on Windows also work
fine.

Second, the problems with 2.7 are apparently confined to some specific areas
of functionality, so that there have been many reports of folks using 2.7 on
Windows without serious problems as well.

So a fairer statement might be, "Enough people, including me, have found
enough bugs in 2.7 for Windows that we've stopped using it and reverted to
2.6.1 until a more stable release is issued."

:-)

On 3/8/06, David Burgun <dburgun at dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> If I were you I'd see if you can get ahold of a 2.6.6 version of
> RunRev. 2.7 is so buggy that I have stopped using it until a new
> version is released.
>
> All the Best
> Dave
>
> On 26 Feb 2006, at 09:21, Andy wrote:
>
> > Anyone else here bought 2.7 and can't get it to register? Mine just
> > takes
> > the key, runs then on next launching says "you've got 28 days left".
> >
> > I've emailed support, but as I'm completely new to Rev, I thought
> > I'd ask in
> > case I was missing something obvious.
> >
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From wow at together.net  Wed Mar  8 13:43:25 2006
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 13:43:25 -0500
Subject: Help with Video Capture
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-F16F86D5719D904153F62B8A0F70@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY106-F16F86D5719D904153F62B8A0F70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <338358D3-3E49-4954-A1D9-DD4781DAD3D4@together.net>

Jack,

To run Firewire video under XP, you need to set the videoMethod  
parameter in the RevInitializeVideoGrabber function to "DirectX". I  
don't believe that is listed in the documentation, but it is the  
correct setting. Make sure you have DirectX installed.

So the first call needs to be something like:

revInitializeVideoGrabber the short name of this stack, "DirectX",the  
rect of this stack

Hope that helps.
Richard Miller
Imprinter Technologies


On Feb 28, 2006, at 9:59 AM, Braintree Athletics wrote:

> I'm running Windows XP, the trial of Rev 2.7, Quicktime 7.0.3, an  
> attached Canon camera with Firewire and CANNOT get any video to  
> preview or record. In fact, when switching the radio buttons to  
> Quicktime and choosing video settings Rev crashes. (Canon works  
> with MovieMaker on this computer.)
>
> This is a deal-breaker in terms of whether or not I move from an  
> older version of Metacard to Rev. Metacard can't do this and was  
> excited to find that Rev was supposed to. Any help, suggestions or  
> information will be very much appreciated.
>
> Thanks to all in advance,
>
> Jack Rarick
> Braintree Athletic Systems
>
>
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From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Wed Mar  8 13:45:37 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:45:37 -0800
Subject: Best source for examples
In-Reply-To: <00dc01c63bbd$bb2fd650$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>
References: <00dc01c63bbd$bb2fd650$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603081045k19d69846w88aa36356372399@mail.gmail.com>

Andy....

Welcome to the Revolution!

At the risk of being accused of shameless self-promotion (OK, it *is*
shameless self-promotion), you might benefit by reading my book,
"REvolution: Software at the Speed of Thought," available through Shafer
Media Store at http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html in both PDF
and printed form.

The other suggestions folks have made here are valuable as well.


On 2/27/06, Andy <andy at cogress.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Can anyone point me to some resources, examples etc for Rev? I'm new to it
> (i.e. last Friday), and being a PHP programmer, I'm still trying to get my
> head around the concepts!
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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Wed Mar  8 13:45:58 2006
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 13:45:58 -0500
Subject: Newbie adventure game question
In-Reply-To: <4A6F7842-0025-4455-A2EA-BD658A7D1843@freshcutonline.com>
References: <4A6F7842-0025-4455-A2EA-BD658A7D1843@freshcutonline.com>
Message-ID: <C9DBBE18-5800-492D-ABC4-4D8DB6C29AE2@adelphia.net>

The short answer: Pipmak uses a 3D type of engine and Revolution is a  
2D linear program.

The long answer: Pipmak does not support heavy interaction from the  
user (just click and turn) and Revolution provides all kinds of  
interaction. Revolution is what you would use to build an application  
with full user interaction and cross platform usage. Now you have a  
couple of choices in getting 3D into Rev a 2D app.
1. Hire someone to write an external for Pipmak 3D for use within  
Rev. (expensive, time consuming)
2. Use existing 3D capable programs that already interact with Rev.
	Quicktime, Quicktime VR
	altBrowser (web based 3D should work since AJAX, and Flash) might  
work with other plugins?
3. Use existing 2D capabilities in Rev and fake it.
	Page based movement (old Myst style) don't stick to just four  
directions, why not do eight directions for more movement
	Quicktime (image and movies)
	Flat Panorama Images use Rev to scroll left right up and down within  
the image

What Rev gives you in control in my opinion makes up for what it  
lacks in 3D, however I know a lot of people would love 3D  
capabilities in Revolution and would certainly pay for that ability.

HTHs

Tom
	
On Mar 8, 2006, at 8:36 AM, Liam Shannon wrote:

> But, I am still jonesing for the ability to create a 360 degree  
> panoramic experience (like the later Myst games) and yet the folks  
> at Revolution have informed me that Revolution can only create the  
> kind of experience presented in the original Myst - ie. face  
> forward, want to look left then click left and dissolve to another  
> straight on image of what is on the left. To get beyond this they  
> suggest Quicktime VR but I must admit I find Quicktime VR to be  
> very jumpy, limited, and somewhat unreal feeling and I would much  
> prefer the kind of feeling one gets in the Pipmak demo (http:// 
> pipmak.sourceforge.net/downloads.php).
>
> So here (at long last) is the question. Why can't one achieve the  
> same effect as Pipmak in Revolution?

Thomas J McGrath III
3mcgrath at adelphia.net

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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Mar  8 13:46:41 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 12:46:41 -0600
Subject: Revolution vs Visual Basic
In-Reply-To: <440F223F.50600@paraboliclogic.com>
Message-ID: <C03482B1.37303%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/8/06 12:28 PM, "Garrett Hylltun" <garrett at paraboliclogic.com> wrote:

> put fontNames() into varTempPreProcess
> put the number of lines of varTempPreProcess into varTemp
> put 1 into varCounter
> repeat varTemp times
>    put line varCounter of varTempPreProcess into varTempFont
>    if the fontLanguage of varTempFont is "ANSI" then
>      put varTempFont & return after varFontMenuBuild
>    end if
>    put varCounter + 1 into varCounter
> end repeat
> sort lines of varFontMenuBuild

This could be shortened thusly:

  put "" into varFontMenuBuild
  repeat for each line varTempFont in fontNames()
    if the fontLanguage of varTempFont = "ANSI" then put varTempFont & \
      CR after varFontMenuBuild
  end repeat
  delete char -1 of varFontMenuBuild  -- remove trailing CR
  sort lines of varFontMenuBuild

Just curious... any particular reason you need just the ANSI font names if
the list of fonts returned by fontNames() is what's installed in the
computer?

If not, then it's even easier:

  put fontNames() into varFontMenuBuild
  sort lines of varFontMenuBuild
 

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Mar  8 13:55:57 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 19:55:57 +0100
Subject: Help with Video Capture
In-Reply-To: <338358D3-3E49-4954-A1D9-DD4781DAD3D4@together.net>
References: <BAY106-F16F86D5719D904153F62B8A0F70@phx.gbl>
	<338358D3-3E49-4954-A1D9-DD4781DAD3D4@together.net>
Message-ID: <B46AE70F-CEA4-400D-B323-9C19E488407A@major-k.de>

Hi Richard,

> Jack,
>
> To run Firewire video under XP, you need to set the videoMethod  
> parameter in the RevInitializeVideoGrabber function to "DirectX".
> I don't believe that is listed in the documentation, but it is the  
> correct setting. Make sure you have DirectX installed.

"videoMethiod" IS listed in the docs, but reads:
The videoMethod is either "QT" or "VFW".

> So the first call needs to be something like:
>
> revInitializeVideoGrabber the short name of this stack,  
> "DirectX",the rect of this stack

Thanks for this little gem, will go directly into my archieves!

Don't we just love undocumented features? ;-)

> Hope that helps.
> Richard Miller
> Imprinter Technologies

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Wed Mar  8 13:56:47 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:56:47 -0800
Subject: Revolution vs Visual Basic
In-Reply-To: <d9f20020603052243w28dec86bn1b00ba0fbb017319@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9f20020603052243w28dec86bn1b00ba0fbb017319@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603081056o103b9456n598ca0f40b197642@mail.gmail.com>

Haltham.....

(Keep in mind as you read this that although I'm a language junkie and I've
done a bit of work in VB, though not recently, I'm really a Mac guy so some
other Windows developers here may very well declare me to be all wet. I
would bow to their judgement.)

Revolution's largest claim to fame is clearly that it allows the creation of
cross-platform standlone applications from a single development platform. If
that's an important factor for you, then obviously VB variants aren't going
to be the answer because you cannot create OS X or Linux/Unix apps from it.
If, however, you are purely a Windows developer and if you're already
steeped in VB syntax, methodologies and architecture, then my guess is
you'll find yourself well-served in the long run by staying with VB.

A lot of what you are looking for in Rev isn't built in but as others have
shown in their answers here, creating the functionality in Rev is close to
trivial. But the programming paradigm in Revolution with its Transcript
xTalk language is so substantially different from the approaches taken by VB
that twisting your head around it may prove challenging. That challenge is
definitely worthwhile if you plan to create cross-platform software but if
you don't, I'm not sure it's worth it.


--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author
http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
>From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Wed Mar  8 14:19:09 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 11:19:09 -0800
Subject: Revolution vs Visual Basic
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603081056o103b9456n598ca0f40b197642@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9f20020603052243w28dec86bn1b00ba0fbb017319@mail.gmail.com>
	<70ed6b130603081056o103b9456n598ca0f40b197642@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06230907c034dbc87b3f@[192.168.1.103]>

On the other hand, many of us here have toiled with other languages 
for years, but found Transcript the most natural of all - you can 
literally 'think' the routines and write them.

At 10:56 -0800 3/8/06, Dan Shafer wrote:

>Haltham.....
>that twisting your head around it may prove challenging. That challenge is
>definitely worthwhile if you plan to create cross-platform software but if
>you don't, I'm not sure it's worth it.
>

-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -


From soapdog at mac.com  Wed Mar  8 14:20:01 2006
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 16:20:01 -0300
Subject: Revolution vs Visual Basic
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603081056o103b9456n598ca0f40b197642@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9f20020603052243w28dec86bn1b00ba0fbb017319@mail.gmail.com>
	<70ed6b130603081056o103b9456n598ca0f40b197642@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <418378AD-658A-429E-BAE6-47A9709B53A1@mac.com>

Haltham,

another nice features of Rev that I don't find in the standard  
computer languages out there are:

* Avoid the write-compile-debug cycle. Your stack is always ready,  
your code too. Just change the tool and interact with it. If it  
explodes, change the tool and fix it. This might appear silly at  
first glance but this is one huge time saver. Using tradicional  
languages you might end up building tons of buggy standalones as you  
debug your app. With Rev things are just more productive. For  
example, Rob had this huge 90mb stack that took some minutes to  
build. If he had to build it everytime he wanted to test something,  
he'd end up loosing time...

* Its easy to create custom tools to help you code. As you get more  
used to us and this list, you'll see that many developers end up  
building their own palletes and environment to suit their tastes.  
It's not like ActiveX and VCL controls of windows. It's like simple  
tools built with Rev to help you work the way you want to work. Scott  
Rossi for example built some very nice alignment, gradient and color  
tools to suit his taste. I have my own set of network tools. I never  
saw VB developers building such tools as easy as we do here.

* Revolution is fun and powerfull. Revolution has some 'new' concepts  
that tradicional coders might need to learn such as how stack works,  
the message path, all about custom properties and other features. But  
those features enable you to create very powerfull tools very fast.  
The stacks being able to load and use other stacks across networks  
make it very easy to share code and to work in groups, it also enable  
you to create auto-update tools very easily. The message path that  
allows you to dispatch and listen to messages making your code flow  
in ways that C/C++ coders can't do and Custom Properties, your cool  
way to store all kinds of things. I've seen pdfs, fonts, all packed  
inside little props of buttons ready to being unpacked as needed or  
copied to other stacks, it's not like other languages containers.  
Custom Props are a way to tune an object to your tastes and allied to  
the message path system allows you to build beautiful softwares that  
are really easy to understand and mantain (which is always productive  
wise).

* Oh, did we talked about cross platform yet? :-)

Cheers and welcome
Andre

On Mar 8, 2006, at 3:56 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:

> Haltham.....
>
> (Keep in mind as you read this that although I'm a language junkie  
> and I've
> done a bit of work in VB, though not recently, I'm really a Mac guy  
> so some
> other Windows developers here may very well declare me to be all  
> wet. I
> would bow to their judgement.)
>
> Revolution's largest claim to fame is clearly that it allows the  
> creation of
> cross-platform standlone applications from a single development  
> platform. If
> that's an important factor for you, then obviously VB variants  
> aren't going
> to be the answer because you cannot create OS X or Linux/Unix apps  
> from it.
> If, however, you are purely a Windows developer and if you're already
> steeped in VB syntax, methodologies and architecture, then my guess is
> you'll find yourself well-served in the long run by staying with VB.
>
> A lot of what you are looking for in Rev isn't built in but as  
> others have
> shown in their answers here, creating the functionality in Rev is  
> close to
> trivial. But the programming paradigm in Revolution with its  
> Transcript
> xTalk language is so substantially different from the approaches  
> taken by VB
> that twisting your head around it may prove challenging. That  
> challenge is
> definitely worthwhile if you plan to create cross-platform software  
> but if
> you don't, I'm not sure it's worth it.
>
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author
> http://www.shafermedia.com
> Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
>> From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html
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From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Wed Mar  8 14:24:48 2006
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 14:24:48 -0500
Subject: Dictionary in OS X
Message-ID: <64061E1E-54E6-41D8-8EFC-CF63118898AE@videotron.ca>

Hello everyone,

I had read somewhere that it is possible to access some built-in Mac  
applications, such as Dictionary, directly from the command line.   
Now I was wondering whether it would also be possible to access those  
applications through Revolution.  I'm doing research that involves  
indexing all the words in big text files.  Of course, using the xTalk  
definition of a word as any quoted string or string separated by one  
or more spaces leaves me with many words that are not words we use in  
the sense of dictionary words, things like acronyms, and others that  
aren't relevant to me because they are proper nouns, such as company  
or product names.  So I was hoping to write a script that might check  
whether each of the words in my index exists in the dictionary.

Any thoughts would be most appreciated.

	Gregory


From twright at jamestown.wnyric.org  Wed Mar  8 14:28:21 2006
From: twright at jamestown.wnyric.org (Thom Wright)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 14:28:21 -0500
Subject: runrev for CRM
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603081037g18d7a81an90aada84a2c208eb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fc.007582c0008ee65b007582c0008ee65b.8ee68b@jamestown.wnyric.org>
	<70ed6b130603081037g18d7a81an90aada84a2c208eb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fc.007582c0008f68ac007582c0008ee65b.8f68c8@jamestown.wnyric.org>

Sorry for the confusion,  looking for a customer relationship management program kind of like ACT goldmine, now up to date, daylite, etc.  but it doesn't need to manage sales and billable accounts.   want something to manage specifics, appt dates,
link to word files, give a history of activities. be customizeable.

would something like that be doable.  

thanks for your time,


Thom Wright
School Counselor
Jefferson Middle School



From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Wed Mar  8 14:35:13 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 11:35:13 -0800
Subject: Revolution vs Visual Basic
In-Reply-To: <C03482B1.37303%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C03482B1.37303%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <440F31F1.5070109@paraboliclogic.com>

Ken Ray wrote:

[snip]

> Just curious... any particular reason you need just the ANSI font names if
> the list of fonts returned by fontNames() is what's installed in the
> computer?
> 
> If not, then it's even easier:
> 
>   put fontNames() into varFontMenuBuild
>   sort lines of varFontMenuBuild

I would end up with font names that I believe are in unicode characters 
and did not display well in Rev.  And I do not know how to resolve that 
at this time  :-(

Example:

Geneva CE
Monaco CE
Times CE
Helvetica CE
Courier CE
?q???M?m?p?S Pro W6
?q???M?m?p?S Pro W3
?q???M?m???S Pro W4
?q???M?m???? Pro W6
?q???M?m???? Pro W3
????????
?q???M?m?p?S Std W8
Geeza Pro Bold
Lucida Grande CE

Lines 6 through 12 show as characters above the 159 character range and 
are not readable on my English setup here.  I assume that the fonts on 
those lines are unicode.

-Garrett


From Karen at curlypaws.com  Wed Mar  8 14:37:22 2006
From: Karen at curlypaws.com (Karen)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 19:37:22 +0000
Subject: [ANN] Stock Portfolio 2 - built with Revolution
Message-ID: <C126AE48-7F12-4663-912E-2FA07432E067@curlypaws.com>

Curlypaws Software is pleased to announce version 2 of Stock  
Portfolio, which brings a number of improvements:

* More robust storage mechanism (the program now uses a database to  
store your stock list and portfolio details)
* Improved appearance (the program now has a new graphical appearance)
* Better usability (the graph and summary information are now easily  
to hand, rather than in a separate window)
* Better graphing (there is now a choice between a logarithmic graph  
as well as the previous linear one)
* More information (there is a percentage change shown on the  
portfolio window)
* Better reports (the reports are now more attractive and show more  
information)
* Allows entry of both UK and US versions of a stock (e.g. VOD and  
VOD.L)

You can import your data from version 1 of Stock Portfolio using the  
File/Import menu option.  You should import both your stock list  
(using the Import option on that window) and your portfolio list  
(using the import option on that window).  The import option will  
avoid setting up duplicates.

The program can be downloaded at:

http://www.curlypaws.com/stockportfolio/StockPortfolio2.dmg

The Stock Portfolio 2 program is copyright of Curlypaws Ltd. 2006.
Portions (c)2000-2006 Runtime Revolution Limited, All Rights Reserved  
Worldwide.

Stock Portfolio 2 was built using the following tools:

Runtime Revolution	http://www.runrev.com/
altSQLite3 		http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altSQLiteCover/
InterfaceDesigner 	http://www.altuit.com/
Constellation 		http://daniels-mara.com/products/constellation.htm
Quartam Reports 	http://www.quartam.com/
Icon People 		http://www.iconpeople.com/

Thanks are due to the Revolution Mailing List contributors, without  
whom none of this would be possible.


From mikeythek at gmail.com  Wed Mar  8 14:49:46 2006
From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 14:49:46 -0500
Subject: Revolution vs Visual Basic
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603081056o103b9456n598ca0f40b197642@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9f20020603052243w28dec86bn1b00ba0fbb017319@mail.gmail.com>
	<70ed6b130603081056o103b9456n598ca0f40b197642@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9b408d8e0603081149g43ce5dc6ge9f8a897694e37ed@mail.gmail.com>

> A lot of what you are looking for in Rev isn't built in but as others have
> shown in their answers here, creating the functionality in Rev is close to
> trivial. But the programming paradigm in Revolution with its Transcript
> xTalk language is so substantially different from the approaches taken by VB
> that twisting your head around it may prove challenging. That challenge is
> definitely worthwhile if you plan to create cross-platform software but if
> you don't, I'm not sure it's worth it.

I would tend to agree with and disagree with this statement at the
same time.  On the one hand, one of the things that is really great
about all of the HC derrivatives is that you have access to, and can
change, almost anything you want at any time.  It makes customizing
the environment or adding onto it easy, and dare I say, fun.

I would disagree with the statement aht the language is so different
that wrapping your head around it can be challenging, and might not be
worth it.  The advantage that Transcript and all xTalk languages have
is that the paradigm is really trivial BECAUSE it is so different than
most modern languages - it is, IMHO, more natural, and therefore
easier to learn.  The language itself is conversational, so the syntax
is very similar to English grammar, the vocabulary is nearly obvious
set the color of me to blue
get the rect of me
put item 3 of theList into address

Revolution's grandfather, HyperCard made the task of building
prototypes a trivial enterprise.  Revolution is also easy to use to
build prototypes.  The overhead that is usually associated with
building a project is for the most part abssent.  You don't have to
cast and instantiate anything.  Types are context-implied (see my
previous example).  In short it is REALLY easy to build something
quickly.

Transcript's ability to parse strings (and make the code required to
parse strings) means that one of the most onerous tasks in computing
is very easy to achieve with minimal effort.  In development studies,
the two most common problems that programmers face are parsing and
communication (either between projects, devices, or programs).  All of
these functions are straghtforward and simple.

I would rate Revolution's learning curve (to the point where you can
be productive) as low-medium.  Once you understand things like
"inheritence path" and the basic grammar you should be able to pick up
RR in no time.
--
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  8 14:50:34 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 11:50:34 -0800
Subject: Best source for examples
In-Reply-To: <009b01c642cb$e4c94db0$0200a8c0@ACERLaptop>
Message-ID: <C034758A.35D3F%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/8/06 8:18 AM, "Andy Calloway" <a.calloway at callowaygreen.com> wrote:

> Thanks for all the info, I've been going through the help files over the
> past few days, but I think I need to put a few hours to one side to really
> get to grips with it.

 Andy,

Two components I would recommend that you use to view example stacks...
Application Browser... in the Tools menu
Find & Replace... in the Edit menu

Application Browser
It will show you all the components and right click should lead you to many
discoveries of the structure and scripting used by experts and teachers
alike.  Pay particular attention to groups (confusing at first but worth
it).
Whenever I want to discover 'how they did that', I use this tool.


Also, use Find and Replace in the Edit menu
Note the drop down menu choices and the check boxes that let you
search  globals and 'custom' [properties]

Doing several kinds of Find operations will show you many examples of
Revolution terminology.  Note the fly-over text that explains more about the
check box. Hint: double clicking the found item in the list will open the
script container for you.

If you are a puzzle solver.. Rev is an amazing sandbox!!

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From liamlambert at mac.com  Wed Mar  8 14:51:08 2006
From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 19:51:08 +0000
Subject: filter list
Message-ID: <402BB73F-DF73-4016-A647-488C3DAA400E@mac.com>

I find my self answering my own question  here
I thought I would remove what I did not need and replace with a tab  
so I could
use it in a dataBase this works but how do I put a return after the  
last entry

on mouseUp
   FilterText
end mouseUp

on FilterText
   put the htmlText of field "Text" into myHTML
   replace "<p>" with empty in myHTML
   replace "</p>" with empty in myHTML
   replace "Name:" with tab in myHtml
   replace "Roll Number:" with tab in myHtml
   replace "Address:" with tab in myHtml
   replace "Principal/Director:" with tab in myHtml
   replace "Phone:" with tab in myHtml
   replace "Fax:" with tab in myHtml
   replace "Email:" with tab in myHtml
   replace "Website:" with tab in myHtml
   replace "Female Enrolment:" with tab in myHtml
   replace "Male Enrolment:" with tab in myHtml
   replace "Type:" with tab in myHtml
  set the htmlText of field "Text" to myHTML
end FilterText

Liam Lambert
liamlambert at mac.com
IRELAND




From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  8 14:54:44 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 11:54:44 -0800
Subject: filter list
In-Reply-To: <402BB73F-DF73-4016-A647-488C3DAA400E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C0347684.35D46%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

set the htmlText of field "Text" to myHTML & cr

On 3/8/06 11:51 AM, "liamlambert" <liamlambert at mac.com> wrote:

> I find my self answering my own question  here
> I thought I would remove what I did not need and replace with a tab
> so I could
> use it in a dataBase this works but how do I put a return after the
> last entry
> 
> on mouseUp
>    FilterText
> end mouseUp
> 
> on FilterText
>    put the htmlText of field "Text" into myHTML
>    replace "<p>" with empty in myHTML
>    replace "</p>" with empty in myHTML
>    replace "Name:" with tab in myHtml
>    replace "Roll Number:" with tab in myHtml
>    replace "Address:" with tab in myHtml
>    replace "Principal/Director:" with tab in myHtml
>    replace "Phone:" with tab in myHtml
>    replace "Fax:" with tab in myHtml
>    replace "Email:" with tab in myHtml
>    replace "Website:" with tab in myHtml
>    replace "Female Enrolment:" with tab in myHtml
>    replace "Male Enrolment:" with tab in myHtml
>    replace "Type:" with tab in myHtml
>   set the htmlText of field "Text" to myHTML
> end FilterText
> 
> Liam Lambert
> liamlambert at mac.com
> IRELAND
> 
> 




From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Wed Mar  8 14:59:07 2006
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 16:59:07 -0300
Subject: File/Picture Chooser Widgets for Ubuntu Linux and Windows XP/2000
 - SOURCE STACKS AVAILABLE
Message-ID: <440F378B.1010608@howsoft.com>

Dear All,

As promised, I have made available the Windows XP/2000 and Ubuntu Linux 
source stacks for my File/Picture Chooser Widgets (#1). They can be 
downloaded from

http://www.howsoft.com/runrev/stacks.htm

Since I do not have enough machines for the development and testing of 
these widgets in other flavours of Linux and Macintosh, I am offering 
these stacks so that you can adapt them yourself, if you so wish.

At the webpage above, you will read this, among other tips:

"Conversion to other flavours of Linux should be simple, and can be done 
directly from the Linux stacks provided.

Conversion to Macintosh might not be quite so straightforward, since 
named multiple drives are possible. For this reason, the Windows stacks 
have also been provided. Together with the Linux stacks, and some slight 
changes in layout, the development of widgets for Mac would be a 
combined solution."

Of course, these widgets are potentially useful in other respects since 
they contain HD treeviews that can be isolated and re-employed.

Best regards,
Bob Warren



From liamlambert at mac.com  Wed Mar  8 15:26:17 2006
From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 20:26:17 +0000
Subject: filter list
Message-ID: <9911FC1B-EF52-428A-8A1C-38BA912140E7@mac.com>

That puts one cr after all the entries  there are many entries
I have a large amount of plane text files that are laid out like this
Below If the list below is one entry there are 100's of entries


Name:

Roll Number:

Address:

Principal/Director:

Phone:

Fax:

Email:

Website:

Female Enrolment:

Male Enrolment:

Type: Primary

Liam Lambert
liamlambert at mac.com
IRELAND




From simplsol at aol.com  Wed Mar  8 15:27:36 2006
From: simplsol at aol.com (simplsol at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 15:27:36 -0500
Subject: 2.7 bugs
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603081043t5c13d72ao67d884d9acf37bce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001901c63ab6$0696e8d0$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>	<403AED7B-CF0E-4CB5-89F4-54D56064CA12@dsl.pipex.com>
	<70ed6b130603081043t5c13d72ao67d884d9acf37bce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8C81105DF835ADF-B54-184AF@FWM-M31.sysops.aol.com>

Dan,
I use OS X and agree with David. New users should start with 2.6.x and 
wait while 2.7 matures.
Version 2.6.1 was the best all-around release of Rev in the last three 
years. "In my experience" 2.7 was one of the worst.
The missing documentation chapters, crashes when accessing the Table 
panel on the Inspector, etc. etc.  affect all platforms. The automatic 
changing of creator codes and file types affect OS X users (especially 
the changing of creator codes which are not an issue on Windows or 
UNIX). Changing the appearance of previously created stacks from OS X 
to OS 9 may or may not be exclusively an OS X problem.
2.7 promises to be very good when it is ready. I don't believe it is 
ready yet.
Paul Looney
PS Remember the last meeting in Monterey when we asked for two updates 
that did nothing but fix bugs? That seems, in hindsight, to have been a 
very good suggestion. 2.6.8 could have been awesome!

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Shafer <revolutionary.dan at gmail.com>
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:43:21 -0800
Subject: Re: 2.7 bugs

   David.....

Your remark is a *little* off the mark, I think and I'd hate to see it 
left
lying around without comment for newbies and investigators to stumble 
over.

First, as far as I can tell from reading this list and other 
conversations,
the problems with 2.7 are almost exclusively with the Windows version 
of the
IDE. OS X works pretty nearly flawlessly (allowing for the fact that all
software has bugs) and apps built in it for delivery on Windows also 
work
fine.

Second, the problems with 2.7 are apparently confined to some specific 
areas
of functionality, so that there have been many reports of folks using 
2.7 on
Windows without serious problems as well.

So a fairer statement might be, "Enough people, including me, have found
enough bugs in 2.7 for Windows that we've stopped using it and reverted 
to
2.6.1 until a more stable release is issued."

:-)

On 3/8/06, David Burgun <dburgun at dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> If I were you I'd see if you can get ahold of a 2.6.6 version of
> RunRev. 2.7 is so buggy that I have stopped using it until a new
> version is released.
>
> All the Best
> Dave
>
> On 26 Feb 2006, at 09:21, Andy wrote:
>
> > Anyone else here bought 2.7 and can't get it to register? Mine just
> > takes
> > the key, runs then on next launching says "you've got 28 days left".
> >
> > I've emailed support, but as I'm completely new to Rev, I thought
> > I'd ask in
> > case I was missing something obvious.
> >
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> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  8 15:33:01 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 12:33:01 -0800
Subject: filter list
In-Reply-To: <9911FC1B-EF52-428A-8A1C-38BA912140E7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C0347F7D.35D4D%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

I guess I don't understand your explanation well enough.
You could do

replace "Name:" with cr in myHtml
putting every name field on  a new line and the rest in tab columns..

This should work for multiple occurrences in one doc.

Just not sure what you need.

Jim Ault


On 3/8/06 12:26 PM, "liamlambert" <liamlambert at mac.com> wrote:

> That puts one cr after all the entries  there are many entries
> I have a large amount of plane text files that are laid out like this
> Below If the list below is one entry there are 100's of entries
> 
> 
> Name:
> 
> Roll Number:
> 
> Address:
> 
> Principal/Director:
> 
> Phone:
> 
> Fax:
> 
> Email:
> 
> Website:
> 
> Female Enrolment:
> 
> Male Enrolment:
> 
> Type: Primary
> 
> Liam Lambert
> liamlambert at mac.com
> IRELAND
> 
> 
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> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
> preferences:
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From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Wed Mar  8 16:56:00 2006
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 22:56:00 +0100
Subject: No OpenStack ..... ! Now Ending !
Message-ID: <ba5feacb63108f27be597ff442184e62@wanadoo.fr>

Hi Rob,

Thanks for the clarifications. I will zip my files now before
transferring, although I would love to know WHY this solves
problems.

One more small point. When I drop my files onto (would
you believe it ?) a Lexar JumpDrive, and move to the PC,
I find that I have twice the files I thought. I get the same
number of Alias ? files, equivalent to the files I copied.
How do I remove this problem ?

Bets from Paris

-Francis

"Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"




From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed Mar  8 16:56:41 2006
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 14:56:41 -0700
Subject: importing list
In-Reply-To: <3A40A518-4B0F-41E6-B11B-B9402097AD2A@mac.com>
References: <3A40A518-4B0F-41E6-B11B-B9402097AD2A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1BD80CD9-8ABA-4836-9B6F-3F86671AF6AF@byu.edu>

Liam,

If I understand correctly, your files contain lists like the one in  
your message, which repeat over and over in a single file. So one  
file might have many "records".

This is how I'd approach it:

Create a stack with just one card, a "template" with all the proper  
fields.

repeat
   put url ("file:/Path/To/Your/File.txt") into rawData
   put lineOffset("Name:",rawData) into recStart
   if recStart = 0 then exit repeat
   put lineOffset("Type:",rawData) into recEnd
   put line recStart to recEnd of rawData into tCurrRecord
   delete line recStart to recEnd of rawData
   replace cr&cr with cr in tCurrRecord -- get rid of empty lines
   copy card "template" to this stack --create a new card for the data
   go last card
   set the itemDelimiter to ":"
   repeat for each line tLine in tCurrRecord
     put item 2 of tLine into fld (item 1 of tLine)
   end repeat
end repeat

This is untested but should be mostly right.

Devin

On Mar 8, 2006, at 11:14 AM, liamlambert wrote:

> I have a large amount of plane text files that are laid out like  
> this Below
>
>
> Name:
>
> Roll Number:
>
> Address:
>
> Principal/Director:
>
> Phone:
>
> Fax:
>
> Email:
>
> Website:
>
> Female Enrolment:
>
> Male Enrolment:
>
> Type: Primary
>
> I want to import the info that is after the  colon into fields of  
> the same name as the list above the list repeats name roll number ect
> Liam Lambert
> liamlambert at mac.com
> IRELAND
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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>

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Mar  8 17:07:50 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 16:07:50 -0600
Subject: My DreamCard doesn't start
In-Reply-To: <310e1d856374fcff10a2b8b7544de661@maccosm.info>
References: <310e1d856374fcff10a2b8b7544de661@maccosm.info>
Message-ID: <440F55B6.3010304@hyperactivesw.com>

Takaaki Furukawa wrote:
> My DreamCard 2.5 for Mac OS X doesn't start. The dock icon bounces for a 
> couple of times
> when I click it, but it quits without warning. I deleted the Pref file 
> but no effect.
> What should I do?

Did you move it from its default location? It sounds like some of the 
support files aren't available. If you moved it, put it back. If not, 
try reinstalling.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Mar  8 17:20:11 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 16:20:11 -0600
Subject: Font Dialog Box (was: Revolution vs Visual Basic)
In-Reply-To: <d9f20020603052243w28dec86bn1b00ba0fbb017319@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9f20020603052243w28dec86bn1b00ba0fbb017319@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <440F589B.2080702@chipp.com>

Haitham (and others):

While there is not Font Dialog Box, it took me only 5 minutes to create one.

You can too. It's easy.

Create a stack called "fontTest", then create a subStack called 
"answerFont". Stack "answerFont" will be the dialog box. Stack 
"fontTest" is the stack from which it will be called.

Create a  button named "Pick a Font" on stack "fontTest" and set the 
script of it to:

on mouseUp

   --> LOADS 'answerFont' INTO MEMORY
   start using stack "answerFont"

   --> CALLS THE answerFont FUNCTION FROM STACK "answerFont"
   put answerFont() into tFont

   --> UNLOADS STACK "answerFont"
   stop using stack "answerFont"

   --> CHECKS TO SEE IF A FONT WAS RETURNED
   if tFont is "" then exit to top

   --> DISPLAY THE FONT RETURNED
   answer tFont
end mouseUp

Then on the "answerFont" substack, add a single list field named 
"theFonts" and a "Cancel" and "OK" button.

Script of Cancel Button:

on mouseUp
   set the dialogData to ""
   close this stack
end mouseUp

Script of OK button:

on mouseUp
   put the hilitedLines of fld "theFonts" into tLineNum
   if tLineNum is empty then
     beep
     answer information "Please choose a font!"
     exit mouseUp
   end if
   set the dialogData to line tLineNum of fld "theFonts"
   close this stack
end mouseUp

Script of the "answerFont" stack:

function answerFont
   modal stack "answerFont"
   return the dialogData
end answerFont

on openStack
   put the fontNames into tFontList
   sort tFontList
   put tFontList into fld "theFonts"
end openStack

That's all there is to it! And that's why it's not necessary to have a 
Font Dialog Box as it can be created in just a few minutes! :-)

This font dialog box is very portable and can be used in any project. 
All you have to do is copy the subStack "answerFont" to your mainStack 
and then insert the following code whenever you want your user to choose 
a font (for instance a choose font button):

on mouseUp
   start using stack "answerFont"
   put answerFont() into tFont
   stop using stack "answerFont"

   --> DO SOMETHING WITH tFont HERE
end mouseUp

-Chipp


Haitham Abdulla wrote:


> VB .NET has some great built-in components and I want to ask whether
> Revolution has them. Some of those components are:
> 
> a.      Font Dialog Box
> 
> b.     Color Dialog Box
> 
> c.     Save Dialog Box
> 
> d.     Print Dialog Box




From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed Mar  8 17:26:33 2006
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:26:33 -0700
Subject: Revolution vs Visual Basic
In-Reply-To: <440F31F1.5070109@paraboliclogic.com>
References: <C03482B1.37303%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<440F31F1.5070109@paraboliclogic.com>
Message-ID: <EA3C61D2-F567-4DDC-9170-ABEBC54DA35B@byu.edu>


On Mar 8, 2006, at 12:35 PM, Garrett Hylltun wrote:

> <snip>

> I would end up with font names that I believe are in unicode  
> characters and did not display well in Rev.  And I do not know how  
> to resolve that at this time  :-(
>
> Example:
>
> Geneva CE
> Monaco CE
> Times CE
> Helvetica CE
> Courier CE
> ?q???M?m?p?S Pro W6
> ?q???M?m?p?S Pro W3
> ?q???M?m???S Pro W4
> ?q???M?m???? Pro W6
> ?q???M?m???? Pro W3
> ????????
> ?q???M?m?p?S Std W8
> Geeza Pro Bold
> Lucida Grande CE
>
> Lines 6 through 12 show as characters above the 159 character range  
> and are not readable on my English setup here.  I assume that the  
> fonts on those lines are unicode.

Try this, Garrett:

on mouseUp
   put empty into fld "fontList"
   repeat with i = 1 to number of lines in the fontNames
     put uniencode(line i of the fontNames,"Japanese") & uniencode 
(cr,"ANSI") after fld "fontList"
   end repeat
   set the textFont of line 1 to -1 of fld "fontList" to the textFont  
of fld "fontList","Japanese"
end mouseUp

This gets it *mostly* right, I think.

Devin


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From liamlambert at mac.com  Wed Mar  8 17:44:01 2006
From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 22:44:01 +0000
Subject: importing list
Message-ID: <E12937E5-865D-4B97-A717-F70CE8E1D20E@mac.com>

Devin
Thanks This is part of what I Wanted to do
The rest was filtering out data which I have working
Thank You.
Liam Lambert
liamlambert at mac.com
IRELAND




From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Wed Mar  8 17:53:06 2006
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 14:53:06 -0800
Subject: More on Media -- the backdrop
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20060306151259.0b59b440@exchange.slg.com>
References: <C031BF75.2CD52%kevin@runrev.com>
	<p06200702c032206295aa@[10.0.1.201]>	<440C8FA9.6090708@hyperactivesw.com>
	<p06200701c0324e535a31@[10.0.1.2]>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060306151259.0b59b440@exchange.slg.com>
Message-ID: <p06200701c0350d332058@[10.0.1.2]>

Peter wrote:

>
>I'm not sure if the Rev Media IDE will have the backdrop on by 
>default, or if it is just the player that will have the backdrop.


Well, if just the player has a mandatory black backdrop, that's no 
big deal and it might be a good thing, I suppose.

I had gotten the impression from other messages that the black 
backdrop will be mandatory for Media itself, not just the player.

Actually, this page seems to indicate the black backdrop will always 
be turned on in Media:  http://www.runrev.com/section/platform.php 
I hope not, though.

I've been trying to use my Dreamcard stacks with the black backdrop 
turned on all the time for a few days, as a preview. It's not a 
nightmare to have it turned on. Maybe some users will prefer it. But 
it's a little inconvenient for me -- just enough to be user hostile 
if it can't be turned off. I can't see any good reason to make it 
mandatory.

Removal of database access for Dreamcard is incentive enough for many 
former Dreamcard users to move up to Studio. The backdrop is just 
inconvenient enough to be user-unfriendly, but not a good reason, by 
itself, to upgrade to Studio. Worst of both worlds...



Tim


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed Mar  8 19:09:37 2006
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 17:09:37 -0700
Subject: Unicode Font List (Was Re: Revolution vs Visual Basic)
In-Reply-To: <EA3C61D2-F567-4DDC-9170-ABEBC54DA35B@byu.edu>
References: <C03482B1.37303%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<440F31F1.5070109@paraboliclogic.com>
	<EA3C61D2-F567-4DDC-9170-ABEBC54DA35B@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <A7528976-999C-4A5B-A653-4CDC477B60F5@byu.edu>

I'm in obsessive mode with unicode. Here's the new and improved version:

on mouseUp
   put empty into fld "fontList"
   put the fontNames into fNames
   sort lines of fNames by word 1 of each
   put fnames
   repeat for each line tLine in fNames
     if char 1 of tLine is "#" then
       put uniencode(tLine,"Korean") & uniencode(cr,"ANSI") after fld  
"fontList"
     else
       put uniencode(tLine,"Japanese") & uniencode(cr,"ANSI") after  
fld "fontList"
     end if
   end repeat
   delete char -2 to -1 of fld "fontList"
   set the textFont of line 1 to -1 of fld "fontList" to the textFont  
of fld "fontList","Japanese"
   set the scroll of fld "fontList" to 0
end mouseUp

There still may be some problems, but since I can't read Chinese or  
Japanese, I have to trust that those font names came out properly.

On Mar 8, 2006, at 3:26 PM, Devin Asay wrote:

> on mouseUp
>   put empty into fld "fontList"
>   repeat with i = 1 to number of lines in the fontNames
>     put uniencode(line i of the fontNames,"Japanese") & uniencode 
> (cr,"ANSI") after fld "fontList"
>   end repeat
>   set the textFont of line 1 to -1 of fld "fontList" to the  
> textFont of fld "fontList","Japanese"
> end mouseUp
>
> This gets it *mostly* right, I think.

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From bacon at parsons.edu  Wed Mar  8 19:15:45 2006
From: bacon at parsons.edu (Benjamin Bacon)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 19:15:45 -0500
Subject: Building for Linux in 2.7
In-Reply-To: <440F55B6.3010304@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <310e1d856374fcff10a2b8b7544de661@maccosm.info>
	<440F55B6.3010304@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C3D8A302-CA13-43EC-A383-63424652FEC9@parsons.edu>

Hi,

I just purchased 2.7 and I was wondering if and when (if anyone  
knows) it will be able to build for Linux.

Thanks!
Benjamin


From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Wed Mar  8 19:17:04 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 16:17:04 -0800
Subject: Unicode Font List (Was Re: Revolution vs Visual Basic)
In-Reply-To: <A7528976-999C-4A5B-A653-4CDC477B60F5@byu.edu>
References: <C03482B1.37303%kray@sonsothunder.com>	<440F31F1.5070109@paraboliclogic.com>	<EA3C61D2-F567-4DDC-9170-ABEBC54DA35B@byu.edu>
	<A7528976-999C-4A5B-A653-4CDC477B60F5@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <440F7400.1020704@paraboliclogic.com>

But isn't it just easier to filter out the unicode fonts and just list 
the ANSI fonts like I did in my original post?

I'm just not sure of the need to actually list the unicode fonts, unless 
you're providing support in a program for these languages.

-Garrett

Devin Asay wrote:
> I'm in obsessive mode with unicode. Here's the new and improved version:
> 
> on mouseUp
>   put empty into fld "fontList"
>   put the fontNames into fNames
>   sort lines of fNames by word 1 of each
>   put fnames
>   repeat for each line tLine in fNames
>     if char 1 of tLine is "#" then
>       put uniencode(tLine,"Korean") & uniencode(cr,"ANSI") after fld 
> "fontList"
>     else
>       put uniencode(tLine,"Japanese") & uniencode(cr,"ANSI") after fld 
> "fontList"
>     end if
>   end repeat
>   delete char -2 to -1 of fld "fontList"
>   set the textFont of line 1 to -1 of fld "fontList" to the textFont of 
> fld "fontList","Japanese"
>   set the scroll of fld "fontList" to 0
> end mouseUp
> 
> There still may be some problems, but since I can't read Chinese or 
> Japanese, I have to trust that those font names came out properly.
> 
> On Mar 8, 2006, at 3:26 PM, Devin Asay wrote:
> 
>> on mouseUp
>>   put empty into fld "fontList"
>>   repeat with i = 1 to number of lines in the fontNames
>>     put uniencode(line i of the fontNames,"Japanese") & 
>> uniencode(cr,"ANSI") after fld "fontList"
>>   end repeat
>>   set the textFont of line 1 to -1 of fld "fontList" to the textFont 
>> of fld "fontList","Japanese"
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> This gets it *mostly* right, I think.
> 
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University
> 
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed Mar  8 19:59:11 2006
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 17:59:11 -0700
Subject: Unicode Font List (Was Re: Revolution vs Visual Basic)
In-Reply-To: <440F7400.1020704@paraboliclogic.com>
References: <C03482B1.37303%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<440F31F1.5070109@paraboliclogic.com>
	<EA3C61D2-F567-4DDC-9170-ABEBC54DA35B@byu.edu>
	<A7528976-999C-4A5B-A653-4CDC477B60F5@byu.edu>
	<440F7400.1020704@paraboliclogic.com>
Message-ID: <19FFD83E-1CB9-442E-9087-69FA3C94F318@byu.edu>


On Mar 8, 2006, at 5:17 PM, Garrett Hylltun wrote:

> But isn't it just easier to filter out the unicode fonts and just  
> list the ANSI fonts like I did in my original post?
>
> I'm just not sure of the need to actually list the unicode fonts,  
> unless you're providing support in a program for these languages.

You're probably right, although support for unicode fonts in Rev  
fields is free, since Rev just leverages the OS's unicode  
capabilities. Besides, rendering the font names in unicode was a  
challenge that had taken on a life of its own. It had to be beaten. ;-)

Now I can go back to whatever productive work I was doing before.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed Mar  8 20:07:46 2006
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 18:07:46 -0700
Subject: Unicode Font List (Was Re: Revolution vs Visual Basic)
In-Reply-To: <A7528976-999C-4A5B-A653-4CDC477B60F5@byu.edu>
References: <C03482B1.37303%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<440F31F1.5070109@paraboliclogic.com>
	<EA3C61D2-F567-4DDC-9170-ABEBC54DA35B@byu.edu>
	<A7528976-999C-4A5B-A653-4CDC477B60F5@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <F57181AC-CE80-4211-A571-C007DC74EBB2@byu.edu>

Okay, this is the FINAL final version. I've been programming in  
Revolution for almost five years, and today is the first time I've  
noticed the fontLanguage function. I love this language!

on mouseUp
   put empty into fld "fontList"
   put the fontNames into fNames
   sort lines of fNames by word 1 of each
   put fnames
   repeat for each line tLine in fNames
     put uniencode(tLine,the fontlanguage of tLine) & uniencode 
(cr,"ANSI") after fld "fontList"
   end repeat
   delete char -2 to -1 of fld "fontList"
   set the textFont of line 1 to -1 of fld "fontList" to the textFont  
of fld "fontList","Unicode"
   set the scroll of fld "fontList" to 0
end mouseUp

I promise I'm done now.

Devin

On Mar 8, 2006, at 5:09 PM, Devin Asay wrote:

> I'm in obsessive mode with unicode. Here's the new and improved  
> version:
>
> on mouseUp
>   put empty into fld "fontList"
>   put the fontNames into fNames
>   sort lines of fNames by word 1 of each
>   put fnames
>   repeat for each line tLine in fNames
>     if char 1 of tLine is "#" then
>       put uniencode(tLine,"Korean") & uniencode(cr,"ANSI") after  
> fld "fontList"
>     else
>       put uniencode(tLine,"Japanese") & uniencode(cr,"ANSI") after  
> fld "fontList"
>     end if
>   end repeat
>   delete char -2 to -1 of fld "fontList"
>   set the textFont of line 1 to -1 of fld "fontList" to the  
> textFont of fld "fontList","Japanese"
>   set the scroll of fld "fontList" to 0
> end mouseUp

<snip>

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Wed Mar  8 20:32:10 2006
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 22:32:10 -0300
Subject: Revolution vs Visual Basic
Message-ID: <440F859A.5010104@howsoft.com>

Haitham wrote:

 >Question (6):

 >When we want to produce the program (or application) that is created by
 >Revolution, we can produce it as EXE file (in windows). But what if we 
 >need to make some kind of Installation or Setup? Can we do it?

 >What about if the users want to uninstall our program (or software)? 
 >Can they?

------------------------------------------------------------------
For a demo INNO setup of a Rev standalone, navigate to:-

http://www.howsoft.com/runrev/downloads/

- and download the file:

Picture Chooser Widget for Windows XP or 2000_setup.exe

It includes an uninstall.

Cheers,
Bob Warren



From martyknapp at comcast.net  Wed Mar  8 20:44:19 2006
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 17:44:19 -0800
Subject: Stack on a server
Message-ID: <440F8873.2030300@comcast.net>

Can multiple people simultaneously access data from a Rev stack on a 
server (from a standalone)? Is there a recommended method of doing so?

Thanks,

Marty Knapp


From bvlahos at mac.com  Wed Mar  8 20:50:22 2006
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 17:50:22 -0800
Subject: Stack on a server
In-Reply-To: <440F8873.2030300@comcast.net>
References: <440F8873.2030300@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CDB608CA-F7D1-4773-A941-9A1E72E43C1E@mac.com>

Yes, but you don't want them to. Since there is no record/file  
locking you could have multiple people making changes at the same  
time and whoever makes it last wins.

If the stack doesn't change then you could do it but that isn't a  
very elegant way to have it work. If you want multi-user access you  
will need to account for it in your stack or use some sort of data  
base on the server.

Bill Vlahos

On Mar 8, 2006, at 5:44 PM, Marty Knapp wrote:

> Can multiple people simultaneously access data from a Rev stack on  
> a server (from a standalone)? Is there a recommended method of  
> doing so?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Marty Knapp
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed Mar  8 20:58:05 2006
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 18:58:05 -0700
Subject: Stack on a server
In-Reply-To: <440F8873.2030300@comcast.net>
References: <440F8873.2030300@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <458EA98C-4967-4AE1-B5D2-42284DE1F5A7@byu.edu>

On Mar 8, 2006, at 6:44 PM, Marty Knapp wrote:

> Can multiple people simultaneously access data from a Rev stack on  
> a server (from a standalone)? Is there a recommended method of  
> doing so?

Marty,

I do this all the time in our Mac labs. I've never seen a problem,  
and all I do is put the stacks (or even standalones) on a server and  
create an alias to it on the workstation. The stacks themselves are  
read-only, and if I need to save data I write to text files or a  
database. As far as I know it works for Windows workstations, too,  
but my experience there is much more limited.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Wed Mar  8 21:05:07 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 12:05:07 +1000
Subject: Changing the screen resolution...
In-Reply-To: <29CB66FA5AFE7446BE8729615CE52D790A7C212B@GAIA.FBL.insead.intra>
References: <29CB66FA5AFE7446BE8729615CE52D790A7C212B@GAIA.FBL.insead.intra>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603081805t79f4a923m203b0807c3f5a419@mail.gmail.com>

 > Is there a way so that I can change the resolution of the screen using a
> script in metacard itself.?

On Mac OS X, you can use the cscreen shell command. I don't know if
there is an equivalent for Windows or Linux.

Chers,
Saarah


From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Wed Mar  8 21:20:30 2006
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 13:20:30 +1100
Subject: document icon problems on OSX
In-Reply-To: <20060307015756.348CA826405@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060307015756.348CA826405@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <48b4884d33148c75bc499346d110f3c3@unimelb.edu.au>

Not sure whether there is something peculiar with my particular Mac but 
I don't seem to be able to get the correct icon showing on documents 
created by my standalone (I'm using a custom creator code but sticking 
with the RSTK filetype). No matter whether I assign a custom document 
icon via the standalone builder or not my documents invariably appear 
with the Rev application icon. I've checked the contents of the app 
package and the correct icon seems to be in place (RevolutionDoc.icns) 
but still no go. (OS 10.3.9, Rev 2.6/2.7)

Any ideas?

Cheers,

Terry...

Dr Terry Judd
Lecturer in Educational Technology (Design)
Biomedical Multimedia Unit
Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences
The University of Melbourne
Parkville VIC 3052
AUSTRALIA



From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Wed Mar  8 21:22:32 2006
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 13:22:32 +1100
Subject: question on setRegistry for setting document associations
Message-ID: <9d048ab057d59ccaaf9ffb3026a9af70@unimelb.edu.au>

Is there any reason not to check for a registry entry and then set a 
document association if necessary each time a Windows application is 
launched? The reason I ask is that I'd like to avoid having to use an 
installer for this particular app  if possible (at least during 
testing).

Cheers,

Terry...

Dr Terry Judd
Lecturer in Educational Technology (Design)
Biomedical Multimedia Unit
Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences
The University of Melbourne
Parkville VIC 3052
AUSTRALIA



From martyknapp at comcast.net  Wed Mar  8 21:29:15 2006
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 18:29:15 -0800
Subject: Stack on a server
In-Reply-To: <CDB608CA-F7D1-4773-A941-9A1E72E43C1E@mac.com>
References: <440F8873.2030300@comcast.net>
	<CDB608CA-F7D1-4773-A941-9A1E72E43C1E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <440F92FB.2090004@comcast.net>

The data would be static (periodically changed only by me) so that's not 
a concern. I've thought of just putting the data in a text file, but 
wonder about security (don't know enough about it to know if that's a 
real concern).

Marty

Bill Vlahos wrote:
> Yes, but you don't want them to. Since there is no record/file locking 
> you could have multiple people making changes at the same time and 
> whoever makes it last wins.
>
> If the stack doesn't change then you could do it but that isn't a very 
> elegant way to have it work. If you want multi-user access you will 
> need to account for it in your stack or use some sort of data base on 
> the server.


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Mar  8 21:36:00 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 20:36:00 -0600
Subject: Changing the screen resolution...
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860603081805t79f4a923m203b0807c3f5a419@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C034F0B0.37360%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/8/06 8:05 PM, "Sarah Reichelt" <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com> wrote:

>> Is there a way so that I can change the resolution of the screen using a
>> script in metacard itself.?
> 
> On Mac OS X, you can use the cscreen shell command. I don't know if
> there is an equivalent for Windows or Linux.

Actually this is something that I have in my Scripter's Scrapbook (not Linux
though):

Mac OS 9
----------
Using Jon's Commands to change screen resolutions in OS 9:
    http://osaxen.com/files/jonscommands2.1.2.html

Mac OS X
-----------
The place to download 'cscript', a command-line utility for OS X that can
retrieve info about screens and to change their properties (including
reolution):
    http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/mac/19753

or to directly download 'cscript':
    http://www.pyehouse.com/lynn/cscreen.dmg

Windows
----------
You can use one of three third-party command line executables ("MultiRes",
"Resolution Changer", or "VidRes"):
    http://www.entechtaiwan.com/files/multires.exe
    http://www.myitforum.com/inc/upload/1365Vidchng.zip
    http://www.jddesign.co.uk/

(For more information, see
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/microsoft.public.windows.server.scripting/m
sg/423d3f435989d049)

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Mar  8 21:41:37 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 18:41:37 -0800
Subject: Unicode Font List (Was Re: Revolution vs Visual Basic)
In-Reply-To: <F57181AC-CE80-4211-A571-C007DC74EBB2@byu.edu>
References: <C03482B1.37303%kray@sonsothunder.com>	<440F31F1.5070109@paraboliclogic.com>	<EA3C61D2-F567-4DDC-9170-ABEBC54DA35B@byu.edu>	<A7528976-999C-4A5B-A653-4CDC477B60F5@byu.edu>
	<F57181AC-CE80-4211-A571-C007DC74EBB2@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <440F95E1.4070704@fourthworld.com>

Devin Asay wrote:
> Okay, this is the FINAL final version. I've been programming in 
> Revolution for almost five years, and today is the first time I've 
> noticed the fontLanguage function. I love this language!
> 
> on mouseUp
>   put empty into fld "fontList"
>   put the fontNames into fNames
>   sort lines of fNames by word 1 of each
>   put fnames
>   repeat for each line tLine in fNames
>     put uniencode(tLine,the fontlanguage of tLine) & 
> uniencode(cr,"ANSI") after fld "fontList"
>   end repeat
>   delete char -2 to -1 of fld "fontList"
>   set the textFont of line 1 to -1 of fld "fontList" to the textFont of 
> fld "fontList","Unicode"
>   set the scroll of fld "fontList" to 0
> end mouseUp
>

Good work.  Now what do we do to get a Font menu to display the font 
names correctly?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Mar  8 21:49:00 2006
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 02:49:00 +0000
Subject: importing list
In-Reply-To: <1BD80CD9-8ABA-4836-9B6F-3F86671AF6AF@byu.edu>
References: <3A40A518-4B0F-41E6-B11B-B9402097AD2A@mac.com>
	<1BD80CD9-8ABA-4836-9B6F-3F86671AF6AF@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <440F979C.10106@tweedly.net>

Devin Asay wrote:

> Liam,
>
> If I understand correctly, your files contain lists like the one in  
> your message, which repeat over and over in a single file. So one  
> file might have many "records".
>
> This is how I'd approach it:
> <snip>
>   repeat for each line tLine in tCurrRecord
>     put item 2 of tLine into fld (item 1 of tLine)
>   end repeat

You could make that

     put item 2 to -1 of tLine into fld (item 1 of tLine)

just in case there might be a ":" within the rest of the line.

-- 
Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net



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From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Wed Mar  8 22:03:35 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 19:03:35 -0800
Subject: Font Dialog Box
In-Reply-To: <440F589B.2080702@chipp.com>
References: <d9f20020603052243w28dec86bn1b00ba0fbb017319@mail.gmail.com>
	<440F589B.2080702@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <440F9B07.2010607@paraboliclogic.com>

Based on some of my own code and code shared by Chipp Walters, I put 
together a font dialog that removes unicode fonts from the list, and 
then represents each font in it's own font in the list.

Uploaded to the "user spaces" as "Stack:  fontDialogBasic" and "Title: 
Basic font dialog example"

If you have problems using the "user spaces", download from here:
http://www.paraboliclogic.com/misc/fontDialogBasic.rev

Thanks Chipp for code that started this.  :-)

-Garrett


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  8 23:00:51 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 20:00:51 -0800
Subject: importing list
In-Reply-To: <1BD80CD9-8ABA-4836-9B6F-3F86671AF6AF@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <C034E873.35D84%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>


---------------
Another approach would have an advantage or two.
ONE - using a web address like http://website.com would not use the colon as
a delimiter, since the 'split' command only considers the first occurance
TWO - if any glitches occurred that added spurious lines that did not match
an existing field, these would be ignored. (eg. tab, space)
THREE - if your labels have a leading/trailing space this will get cleaned
off
FOUR -- filter rawData without empty

NOTE: I would recommend that you not use "/" in your field label (eg.
Principal/Director)  can lead to problems later with scripting.

-------------------------------------------------------------
> repeat
>    put url ("file:/Path/To/Your/File.txt") into rawData
     filter rawData without empty
     split rawData using cr and ":"
     put the keys of rawData into fldnames
>    
>    
>    
>    copy card "template" to this stack --create a new card for the data
>    go last card
>    
       repeat for each line FLDNM in fldnames
         put word 1 to -1 of FLDNM into FLDNM
         if there is a field FLDNM then
            put rawData[ FLDNM] into fld ( FLDNM )
          end if
       end repeat --fld fill loop

> end repeat --main loop
--------------------------------------------------------------------


On 3/8/06 1:56 PM, "Devin Asay" <devin_asay at byu.edu> wrote:

> Liam,
> 
> If I understand correctly, your files contain lists like the one in
> your message, which repeat over and over in a single file. So one
> file might have many "records".
> 
> This is how I'd approach it:
> 
> Create a stack with just one card, a "template" with all the proper
> fields.
> 
> repeat
>    put url ("file:/Path/To/Your/File.txt") into rawData
>    put lineOffset("Name:",rawData) into recStart
>    if recStart = 0 then exit repeat
>    put lineOffset("Type:",rawData) into recEnd
>    put line recStart to recEnd of rawData into tCurrRecord
>    delete line recStart to recEnd of rawData
>    replace cr&cr with cr in tCurrRecord -- get rid of empty lines
>    copy card "template" to this stack --create a new card for the data
>    go last card
>    set the itemDelimiter to ":"
>    repeat for each line tLine in tCurrRecord
>      put item 2 of tLine into fld (item 1 of tLine)
>    end repeat
> end repeat
> 
> This is untested but should be mostly right.
> 
> Devin
> 
> On Mar 8, 2006, at 11:14 AM, liamlambert wrote:
> 
>> I have a large amount of plane text files that are laid out like
>> this Below
>> 
>> 
>> Name:
>> 
>> Roll Number:
>> 
>> Address:
>> 
>> Principal/Director:
>> 
>> Phone:
>> 
>> Fax:
>> 
>> Email:
>> 
>> Website:
>> 
>> Female Enrolment:
>> 
>> Male Enrolment:
>> 
>> Type: Primary
>> 
>> I want to import the info that is after the  colon into fields of
>> the same name as the list above the list repeats name roll number ect
>> Liam Lambert
>> liamlambert at mac.com
>> IRELAND
>> 
>> 
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> 
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University
> 
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Wed Mar  8 23:26:29 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 20:26:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Moving Multiple Objects
In-Reply-To: <C034E873.35D84%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603082017340.18934-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Hi,

I am trying to use the move command to simultaneously move three images in
2.7. on Mac OS 10.3.9 (not that this probably matters given that the error
is almost certainly due to 'stupid user syndrome').

Here is what the docs say:

"To move multiple objects at the same time, set the lockMoves property to
true before issuing the move commands.  When you set the lockMoves back to
false, all the pending moves begin at once."

So, here's my script (which doesn't, incidentally, move all three images
simultaneously):

on openCard
  set the lockMoves to true
  move image "BStone1.gif" to 588,-72 in 2 secs
  move image "BStone2.gif" to -65,-21 in 2 secs
  move image "BStone3.gif" to 290,459 in 2 secs
  set the lockMoves to false
  wait 15 ticks
  visual effect dissolve
  go next card
end openCard

The docs entry for lockMoves gives the following example script:

Well, okay, so I WAS going to copy and paste in the script EXCEPT, of
course, that YOU CAN'T DO THAT!!!  :-/

What am I doing wrong?  (I'm trying to come up with a little animation
tutorial for my students that doesn't include the Animation Builder or
whatever it was called).

I've tried lockMoves without the "the" and the result is the same.

Any ideas?

Oh, and does anybody know where the old Bryce 4 demo can be found?  I had
a copy but my department's dying ftp server fubar'd the file.

As it did for iMovie (which we owned)... and a number of other
shareware/demos...

:-(

Judy



From tominjapan at excite.com  Wed Mar  8 23:35:59 2006
From: tominjapan at excite.com (Thomas McCarthy)
Date: Wed,  8 Mar 2006 23:35:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Encryption library & CGI
Message-ID: <20060309043559.6901BB728@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com>


Is there a way to include the ecryption library in a stack (like when one makes a libURL stack)?

I would like to use the encrypt command from my cgi.

thanks.
tm

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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Mar  9 01:13:37 2006
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 22:13:37 -0800
Subject: Moving Multiple Objects
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603082017340.18934-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <C0350791.35036%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Judy Perry wrote:

> I am trying to use the move command to simultaneously move three images in
> 2.7. on Mac OS 10.3.9 (not that this probably matters given that the error
> is almost certainly due to 'stupid user syndrome').
> 
> Here is what the docs say:
> 
> "To move multiple objects at the same time, set the lockMoves property to
> true before issuing the move commands.  When you set the lockMoves back to
> false, all the pending moves begin at once."
> 
> So, here's my script (which doesn't, incidentally, move all three images
> simultaneously)

I'm not sure if the problem you're having is that the objects are not moving
simultaneously or something else.  However, the lock moves is usually for
starting objects off at the same time.

Instead, try removing the lock/unlockmoves lines and try adding "without
waiting" to each move line in your script, for example:

  move image "BStone1.gif" to 588,-72 in 2 secs without waiting

See if this is the effect you're looking for.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Thu Mar  9 01:28:53 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 22:28:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Moving Multiple Objects
In-Reply-To: <C0350791.35036%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603082215440.21930-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Scott,

I did start them off from a pre-determined location in a preOpenCard
handler. (sorry I didn't include that part).

I don't understand (I might well be denser than, well, I don't know!):

The only wait statement is AFTER the move statement(s).  And after the
'set lockMoves to false' statement.  AFAIU, that shouldn't affect the
simultaneous moves.

No, the problem is that the objects do NOT move simultaneously; they move
serially.  That is, the first moves, waits a little bit, then the second,
ditto, and then the third.

They do move, but nothing like simultaneously, which my reading of the
docs would suggest is possible using the 'set lockMoves to true... set
lockMoves to false' is possible.

I'm really pretty certain that I've done something TREMENDOUSLY stupid...
Just don't know what!

I'll try 'without waiting'... (hope I have enough RAM to try this!)...

Okay... that works, but only sorta, kinda.

That is, I don't see the three images flying off the screen as scripted...
instead, I see them move about a third of the way, then the card moves on
to the next card.  BUT THEY'RE MOVING SIMULTANEOUSLY!!  (doing the
Snoopy-dance)

Any further ideas?? (and, thanks, Scott, for getting me half-way there...
better than  my not-even!).

Judy

 On Wed, 8 Mar 2006, Scott Rossi wrote:

> I'm not sure if the problem you're having is that the objects are not moving
> simultaneously or something else.  However, the lock moves is usually for
> starting objects off at the same time.
>
> Instead, try removing the lock/unlockmoves lines and try adding "without
> waiting" to each move line in your script, for example:
>
>   move image "BStone1.gif" to 588,-72 in 2 secs without waiting
>
> See if this is the effect you're looking for.



From davis.phil at comcast.net  Thu Mar  9 01:42:27 2006
From: davis.phil at comcast.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 22:42:27 -0800
Subject: Moving Multiple Objects
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603082215440.21930-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603082215440.21930-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <440FCE53.3060306@comcast.net>

Hi Judy,


Judy Perry wrote:
> Scott,
> 
> I did start them off from a pre-determined location in a preOpenCard
> handler. (sorry I didn't include that part).

Have you tried starting it from an 'openCard' handler? I'm thinking the 
preOpenCard start might be hosing something, since the card is not yet 
drawn at that time. (At least that's how I think of it.)

Just a thought -
Phil Davis



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Thu Mar  9 01:47:55 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 22:47:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Moving Multiple Objects
In-Reply-To: <440FCE53.3060306@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603082245080.22931-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Hi Phil,

I used a preOpenCard handler to handle the initial locations of the three
images, then an openCard handler to handle their movement.

Here is the entire card script:

on preOpenCard
  set the loc of image "BStone1.gif" to 326,152
  set the loc of image "Bstone2.gif" to 215,155
  set the loc of image "BStone3.gif" to 268,242
end preOpenCard

on openCard
  set lockMoves to true
  move image "BStone1.gif" to 588,-72 in 2 secs without waiting
  move image "BStone2.gif" to -65,-21 in 2 secs without waiting
  move image "BStone3.gif" to 290,459 in 2 secs without waiting
  set lockMoves to false
  wait 15 ticks
ual effect dissolve
  go next card
end openCard

Any other ideas???

Gratefully received...

Judy

On Wed, 8 Mar 2006, Phil Davis wrote:

> Have you tried starting it from an 'openCard' handler? I'm thinking the
> preOpenCard start might be hosing something, since the card is not yet
> drawn at that time. (At least that's how I think of it.)
>



From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Thu Mar  9 02:13:28 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 23:13:28 -0800
Subject: Expanded DPI images for printing -Good News (news to me anyway)...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603082215440.21930-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603082215440.21930-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <p06230901c0357ec2ad81@[192.168.1.103]>

If this is in the docs, and I'm ignorant of this I apologize, but I'd 
like to share my discovery.

Ever since I started working with x-talks 18 years ago, I wanted a 
way to print 300 dpi images from a card. I got the impression from my 
last year of experiments that it was not possible.

Today I was messing around with loading images on a card recently 
with different file sources using the filename property. I noticed a 
few old images that I loaded were much smaller in size than I 
remember, and not only that, when printed, had the appropriate 
detail. This is what I came up with:

When you are creating a graphic from photoshop, set the DPI to 300 or 
whatever. Set the size to what size in inches,etc. you want on the 
card. Save as a PICT  file!!

Setting the filename of an image object to a PICT file will force the 
object to print the DPI indicated in the image file. The image on the 
screen is dpi-scaled and is totally WYSIWYG.

In other words, Rev reads the DPI of the image from the file and 
prints accordingly in the print region. This does not work with PNG, 
Gif or jpg images, that show and print at screen resolution.

So has rev always worked this way, or is this new?
Weren't we encouraged to not use picts anymore?
And finally, are PC users able to create picts?
-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -


From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Thu Mar  9 02:20:38 2006
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 23:20:38 -0800
Subject: Font Dialog Box
In-Reply-To: <440F9B07.2010607@paraboliclogic.com>
References: <d9f20020603052243w28dec86bn1b00ba0fbb017319@mail.gmail.com>
	<440F589B.2080702@chipp.com> <440F9B07.2010607@paraboliclogic.com>
Message-ID: <4C6975F8-2A3D-4159-8994-E16699A592E4@elementarysoftware.com>

Nice job, Garrett!  What a slick little tool.

-Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust !)
web     http://elementarysoftware.com/
email   scott at elementarysoftware.com

-----------------------------------------------------------------

On Mar 8, 2006, at 7:03 PM, Garrett Hylltun wrote:

> Based on some of my own code and code shared by Chipp Walters, I  
> put together a font dialog that removes unicode fonts from the  
> list, and then represents each font in it's own font in the list.
>
> Uploaded to the "user spaces" as "Stack:  fontDialogBasic" and  
> "Title: Basic font dialog example"
>
> If you have problems using the "user spaces", download from here:
> http://www.paraboliclogic.com/misc/fontDialogBasic.rev
>
> Thanks Chipp for code that started this.  :-)
>
> -Garrett


From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Thu Mar  9 02:39:32 2006
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 23:39:32 -0800
Subject: Expanded DPI images for printing -Good News (news to me
	anyway)...
In-Reply-To: <p06230901c0357ec2ad81@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603082215440.21930-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<p06230901c0357ec2ad81@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <905A1F03-B417-4E29-B7D5-641FC6C66E86@elementarysoftware.com>

Stephen,
This isn't exactly what you are doing and if familiar to you then  
perhaps someone else will say "Ah!" but, you can get a similar effect  
with image types other than PICT.  I often use a GIF image that is  
much bigger than what I want to print.  By scaling it (setting the  
height and  width )and setting the lockLoc property to keep it from  
resizing, you can then print it (since all those dots were squeezed  
into a smaller space) at a higher resolution, depending on how much  
you scaled it.  I usually end up making a separate screen version  
that has some antialiasing or whatnot and then swap for the other  
when it is time to print.

-Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust !)
web     http://elementarysoftware.com/
email   scott at elementarysoftware.com

-----------------------------------------------------------------

On Mar 8, 2006, at 11:13 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> If this is in the docs, and I'm ignorant of this I apologize, but  
> I'd like to share my discovery.
>
> Ever since I started working with x-talks 18 years ago, I wanted a  
> way to print 300 dpi images from a card. I got the impression from  
> my last year of experiments that it was not possible.
>
> Today I was messing around with loading images on a card recently  
> with different file sources using the filename property. I noticed  
> a few old images that I loaded were much smaller in size than I  
> remember, and not only that, when printed, had the appropriate  
> detail. This is what I came up with:
>
> When you are creating a graphic from photoshop, set the DPI to 300  
> or whatever. Set the size to what size in inches,etc. you want on  
> the card. Save as a PICT  file!!
>
> Setting the filename of an image object to a PICT file will force  
> the object to print the DPI indicated in the image file. The image  
> on the screen is dpi-scaled and is totally WYSIWYG.
>
> In other words, Rev reads the DPI of the image from the file and  
> prints accordingly in the print region. This does not work with  
> PNG, Gif or jpg images, that show and print at screen resolution.
>
> So has rev always worked this way, or is this new?
> Weren't we encouraged to not use picts anymore?
> And finally, are PC users able to create picts?
> -- 
> stephen barncard
> s a n  f r a n c i s c o
> - - -  - - - - - - - - -


From davis.phil at comcast.net  Thu Mar  9 02:52:22 2006
From: davis.phil at comcast.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 23:52:22 -0800
Subject: Moving Multiple Objects
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603082245080.22931-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603082245080.22931-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <440FDEB6.1060102@comcast.net>

Hi Judy,

I'm pretty bleery-eyed at this time of day, but I reorganized your code 
slightly and got improved (I think) results. Here's what I did:

on preOpenCard -- no changes here
   set the loc of image "BStone1.gif" to 326,152
   set the loc of image "Bstone2.gif" to 215,155
   set the loc of image "BStone3.gif" to 268,242
end preOpenCard


on openCard -- removed some code
   set lockMoves to true
   move image "BStone1.gif" to 588,-72 in 2 secs without waiting
   move image "BStone2.gif" to -65,-21 in 2 secs without waiting
   move image "BStone3.gif" to 290,459 in 2 secs without waiting
   set lockMoves to false
end openCard


on moveStopped -- new handler
   if the movingControls <> empty -- something is still moving
   then -- defer action
     exit moveStopped
   end if

   -- if all movement has ended, GO!
   visual effect dissolve
   go next card
end moveStopped


See if this does what you need.

Phil



Judy Perry wrote:
> Hi Phil,
> 
> I used a preOpenCard handler to handle the initial locations of the three
> images, then an openCard handler to handle their movement.
> 
> Here is the entire card script:
> 
> on preOpenCard
>   set the loc of image "BStone1.gif" to 326,152
>   set the loc of image "Bstone2.gif" to 215,155
>   set the loc of image "BStone3.gif" to 268,242
> end preOpenCard
> 
> on openCard
>   set lockMoves to true
>   move image "BStone1.gif" to 588,-72 in 2 secs without waiting
>   move image "BStone2.gif" to -65,-21 in 2 secs without waiting
>   move image "BStone3.gif" to 290,459 in 2 secs without waiting
>   set lockMoves to false
>   wait 15 ticks
> ual effect dissolve
>   go next card
> end openCard
> 
> Any other ideas???
> 
> Gratefully received...
> 
> Judy
> 
> On Wed, 8 Mar 2006, Phil Davis wrote:
> 
> 
>>Have you tried starting it from an 'openCard' handler? I'm thinking the
>>preOpenCard start might be hosing something, since the card is not yet
>>drawn at that time. (At least that's how I think of it.)



From paulclaude at postino.it  Thu Mar  9 03:20:25 2006
From: paulclaude at postino.it (Paul Claude)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 09:20:25 +0100
Subject: Slow Dialogs in Rev 2.7
In-Reply-To: <440F1F90.8020304@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C035A3D9.B01%paulclaude@postino.it>

Well, I've copied the whole revolution folder in my iBook, and there it
works normally (mac os x 10.3.9), so it's not a plugin issue. I think the
problem could be related to Mac Os 10.4.4.

on 08/03/2006 19:16, J. Landman Gay at jacque at hyperactivesw.com wrote:

> I am completely puzzled. I don't think anyone else has this problem or
> they would have said so. It must be something about your particular
> system. All I can suggest is to reinstall Revolution.
> 
> Sometimes virus checkers interfere and cause slowdowns, but that doesn't
> seem too likely since your other windows open okay.
> 
> If you have any custom plugins, try removing them and restarting Rev.
> Also make sure you have no custom frontscripts or backscripts. I hope
> someone else can think of other things to try, because what is happening
> is not normal behavior.



From scott at proherp.com  Thu Mar  9 03:48:24 2006
From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 19:48:24 +1100
Subject: Missing Report Builder
In-Reply-To: <s3fe71cd.016@PSYLIN2.LIN.KU.DK>
Message-ID: <000601c64356$3ef8a990$0201010a@royalnexus>

Hi Kresten,

As others have pointed out ReportBuilder is depracated.

> find the answer to the "How do I create a report 
> layout-card?" question. 

I bought and heartily recommend Dan's book "Printing
in Revolution".  It answered many such questions for
me and it's a good read to boot.  See link below.
At $5 it's a steal...


 http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html


Scott

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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Mar  9 03:55:41 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 09:55:41 +0100
Subject: Moving Multiple Objects
In-Reply-To: <440FDEB6.1060102@comcast.net>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603082245080.22931-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<440FDEB6.1060102@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8012EBDA-1337-4B11-BE68-E613A72DA4D9@major-k.de>

Hi Judy,

> Judy Perry wrote:
>> I used a preOpenCard handler to handle the initial locations of  
>> the three
>> images, then an openCard handler to handle their movement.
>> Here is the entire card script:
>> on preOpenCard
>>   set the loc of image "BStone1.gif" to 326,152
>>   set the loc of image "Bstone2.gif" to 215,155
>>   set the loc of image "BStone3.gif" to 268,242
>> end preOpenCard

>> on openCard
>>   set lockMoves to true
>>   move image "BStone1.gif" to 588,-72 in 2 secs without waiting
>>   move image "BStone2.gif" to -65,-21 in 2 secs without waiting
>>   move image "BStone3.gif" to 290,459 in 2 secs without waiting
>>   set lockMoves to false

##Would this work eventually? Does here...
   wait until the movingcontrols = empty

>> ual effect dissolve
>>   go next card
>> end openCard
>> Any other ideas???
>> Gratefully received...
>> Judy

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Mar  9 04:03:28 2006
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 09:03:28 +0000
Subject: importing list
In-Reply-To: <C034E873.35D84%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C034E873.35D84%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <440FEF60.7010901@tweedly.net>

Jim Ault wrote:

>---------------
>Another approach would have an advantage or two.
>ONE - using a web address like http://website.com would not use the colon as
>a delimiter, since the 'split' command only considers the first occurance
>TWO - if any glitches occurred that added spurious lines that did not match
>an existing field, these would be ignored. (eg. tab, space)
>THREE - if your labels have a leading/trailing space this will get cleaned
>off
>FOUR -- filter rawData without empty
>
>NOTE: I would recommend that you not use "/" in your field label (eg.
>Principal/Director)  can lead to problems later with scripting.
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------
>  
>
>>repeat
>>   put url ("file:/Path/To/Your/File.txt") into rawData
>>    
>>
>     filter rawData without empty
>     split rawData using cr and ":"
>  
>
Jim,  you can't do that (at least, not if I interpreted Liam's email 
correctly).  I'm pretty sure he is saying that the file contains 
multiple "entries", each entry consisting of the multiple "fields".  If 
you had a single entry, then this 'split'-based technique is the one I'd 
use - but it can't be used while there are multiple entries ....  you'd 
finish up with an array element for each field name, containing the data 
for the last entry.

You could keep the outer loop from Devin's code, to create tCurrRecord, 
and then split tCurrRecord


>On 3/8/06 1:56 PM, "Devin Asay" <devin_asay at byu.edu> wrote:
>  
>
>>repeat
>>   put url ("file:/Path/To/Your/File.txt") into rawData
>>   put lineOffset("Name:",rawData) into recStart
>>   if recStart = 0 then exit repeat
>>   put lineOffset("Type:",rawData) into recEnd
>>   put line recStart to recEnd of rawData into tCurrRecord
>>   delete line recStart to recEnd of rawData
>>   replace cr&cr with cr in tCurrRecord -- get rid of empty lines
>>   copy card "template" to this stack --create a new card for the data
>>   go last card
>>   set the itemDelimiter to ":"
>>   repeat for each line tLine in tCurrRecord
>>     put item 2 of tLine into fld (item 1 of tLine)
>>   end repeat
>>end repeat
>>    
>>

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From mlange at lexicall.org  Thu Mar  9 05:14:54 2006
From: mlange at lexicall.org (Marielle Lange)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 10:14:54 +0000
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
Message-ID: <5DE14B83-50B5-48B9-892E-45809A896205@lexicall.org>

Hi Dan,

There are two things that I don't understand.

The first one is if your friend is an enthusiastic user of revolution  
and wanted his story to be used to convince non profit users on this  
list to put bigger money in their hobby, why didn't he write this  
email himself.

The second is if it is so evident all non profit should go and buy  
rev studio, why was this email necessary?

I rather agree with the argument you make, but I disagree with the  
way it is made, using the story of another person that nobody can  
check up. I far prefer that attempts to convince non profit users on  
this list to put the little money they have in revolution rather than  
other products focus on a discussion of the intrinsic quality of the  
product and customer support.

Marielle




> I thought this might add a bit of perspective if not humor to our
> discussion.
>
> I have a really good friend who is a semi-serious amateur  
> photographer. He's
> also pretty computer-savvy. A while back I introduced him to Rev  
> and he's
> been delightedly churning out apps for his use in his hobby, happy  
> as a
> clam. He bought Dreamcard.
>
> When the new release came out and it became apparent that DC would  
> no longer
> be a viable product, it took him about 3 minutes to decide to  
> upgrade to
> Studio when the time comes to do that. I asked him how he made that
> decision.
>
> "Revolution Studio is cheaper than any camera or lens I own for my  
> other
> hobby. I don't make money at either. Part of the definition of a  
> hobby is
> something you enjoy pouring money into so you can see better and  
> better
> results. I've become something of a hobbyist programmer now and I  
> want the
> right tools for that job just like I want the right cameras and  
> lenses. It's
> a no-brainer."
>
> This guy's not wealthy (he's retired) but he understands the value  
> of the
> right tool for the right job. I just thought that was a terribly  
> sane way to
> look at things.
>
> And no I'll step aside and wait for the flamers to point out how  
> little
> money academia has, how unpredictable software strategies are and  
> all the
> rest.
>
> :-)
>
> Dan
>
>

------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
--------
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Alternative emails: mlange at blueyonder.co.uk,

Homepage                                                            
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From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Thu Mar  9 05:51:57 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 10:51:57 +0000
Subject: Latest Version of RunRev for Mac OS 9???
In-Reply-To: <94DD4B99-DFAF-4A3A-BE09-F795B16FCAD9@gmail.com>
References: <C033198A.AD8A%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
	<a06110403c03398b450fd@[192.168.1.101]>
	<E6E029BC-266F-4AD9-86C1-8B6B1F2303A0@dsl.pipex.com>
	<p06230900c034c83ee6c8@[192.168.1.101]>
	<C381A397-1F31-497B-BE46-388B2540DCFC@dsl.pipex.com>
	<94DD4B99-DFAF-4A3A-BE09-F795B16FCAD9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D28476BF-9A9C-44F4-93A6-0434FE2ECB30@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi Chris,

Thanks a lot!

All the Best
Dave


On 8 Mar 2006, at 18:34, Chris Sheffield wrote:

> Dave,
>
> You can grab version 2.6.1 from here:
>
> <ftp://ftp.runrev.com/pub/revolution/downloads/distributions/2.6.1/ 
> revolution.sit>
>
> Hopefully that'll get you by.  It is kind of strange they removed  
> the download link for the current OS 9 version...
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Mar 8, 2006, at 11:10 AM, David Burgun wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> So was the 2.6.6 version promised, however we are still waiting  
>> for it.
>>
>>
>> I agree it is important to the educational market (as well as  
>> other markets) which is why it blows my mind that there is no  
>> download available for it.
>>
>> I have no intention of porting my MacOS 9 only stacks to 2.7, it's  
>> just not worth it, but I would like to be able to download a  
>> version of RunRev that works on MacOS 9 NOW, regardless of the  
>> version number!
>>
>> I really can't see the point of removing a working version of  
>> RunRev for MacOS 9 from the website and replacing it with nothing!  
>> Surely it would be better to leave the existing version available  
>> and then if and when 2.7 comes along replace it then?
>>
>> In the meantime, here I am twiddling my thumbs waiting for someone  
>> from RunRev to contact me and send the latest version (which I  
>> have a license for).
>>
>> All the Best
>> Dave
>>
>> On 8 Mar 2006, at 17:46, Stephen Barncard wrote:
>>
>>> The OS9 version was promised, and I have no doubt they will  
>>> deliver it. It's too  important to the educational market. I  
>>> heard the difficulty is that they have to use a new compiler for  
>>> OS9. I think they don't want a non- version 2.7 out there.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I doubt there will be a version 2.7 for MacOS 9 either, the same  
>>>> was said about version 2.6.6 and that version didn't  
>>>> materialize. Don't understand why version 2.6.1 isn't on their  
>>>> web site tho?
>>>>
>>>> All the Best
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> On 7 Mar 2006, at 20:09, Robert Brenstein wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Dave... It's Rev 2.6.1 and you have to ask Heather  
>>>>>> directly.  It's
>>>>>> doubtful that 2.7 or later will get to OS 9... Jim
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope you are wrong, Jim. And the RR web site states that OS9  
>>>>> version is coming, whatever that means.
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> stephen barncard
>>> s a n  f r a n c i s c o
>>> - - -  - - - - - - - - -
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>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>>> subscription preferences:
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>>
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>> subscription preferences:
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>
> ------------------------------------------
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> Read Naturally
> The Fluency Company
> http://www.readnaturally.com
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>
>
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From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Thu Mar  9 05:57:48 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 10:57:48 +0000
Subject: 2.7 bugs
In-Reply-To: <8C81105DF835ADF-B54-184AF@FWM-M31.sysops.aol.com>
References: <001901c63ab6$0696e8d0$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>	<403AED7B-CF0E-4CB5-89F4-54D56064CA12@dsl.pipex.com>
	<70ed6b130603081043t5c13d72ao67d884d9acf37bce@mail.gmail.com>
	<8C81105DF835ADF-B54-184AF@FWM-M31.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <03E22101-F887-4B7E-B124-C67278C65AD4@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

On top of what Paul said there is also the Stack incompatibility  
issues to contend with in 2.7.

I totally agree that we need and have said several times over the  
last year or so that a bug fix only release is what is needed. This  
product has had heaps of new functionality added over the last couple  
of years and bugs that were there in the start have not been fixed.  
This means that new functionality might actually break once a bug has  
been fixed as well as just making the product much harder to use.

I can't understand why new functionality is added to a buggy base.  
For instance the new feature detailed here:
New object blending capabilities. All objects, including standard  
system controls such as buttons and fields, as well as media elements  
such as QuickTime movies, can now be rendered using a rich variety of  
blend modes and opacity settings.
Over 20 brand new blend modes. Includes the industry standard porter- 
duff and SVG compositing operators.
Window level transitions. Now you can perform transitions with alpha  
channels on an entire window, allowing effects such as rippling  
applications on the desktop.
New image rendering options. Render an image from any object on- 
screen, preserving the alpha channel, then transform and save.
Anti-aliasing Graphics Engine. Revolution?s vector graphics  
presentation layer is now anti-aliased.
These are super-cool features, but they are not NEEDED, adding this  
functionality now just means that any bugs that do not have a work- 
around need to be fixed now and I'm betting that bugs that do have a  
work-around will be put onto the "to do" list along with all the  
others and so the "to do" list will grow. I've seen this situation  
with other products. CodeWarrior for instance had a very buggy  
debugger for ages and each new version did nothing to fix it, but  
added loads of new functionality, which inevitably had new bugs which  
needed to be fixed. It made using the product a much less satisfying  
prospect which is what I have found with RunRev and for a Newbie it  
is very off-putting.

I would much rather have 75% of the functionality with 5% bugs, than  
100% of the functionality with 25% bugs!

All the Best
Dave

On 8 Mar 2006, at 20:27, simplsol at aol.com wrote:

> Dan,
> I use OS X and agree with David. New users should start with 2.6.x  
> and wait while 2.7 matures.
> Version 2.6.1 was the best all-around release of Rev in the last  
> three years. "In my experience" 2.7 was one of the worst.
> The missing documentation chapters, crashes when accessing the  
> Table panel on the Inspector, etc. etc.  affect all platforms. The  
> automatic changing of creator codes and file types affect OS X  
> users (especially the changing of creator codes which are not an  
> issue on Windows or UNIX). Changing the appearance of previously  
> created stacks from OS X to OS 9 may or may not be exclusively an  
> OS X problem.
> 2.7 promises to be very good when it is ready. I don't believe it  
> is ready yet.
> Paul Looney
> PS Remember the last meeting in Monterey when we asked for two  
> updates that did nothing but fix bugs? That seems, in hindsight, to  
> have been a very good suggestion. 2.6.8 could have been awesome!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Shafer <revolutionary.dan at gmail.com>
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:43:21 -0800
> Subject: Re: 2.7 bugs



From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Thu Mar  9 06:28:15 2006
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 12:28:15 +0100
Subject: 2.7 bugs
References: <001901c63ab6$0696e8d0$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>	<403AED7B-CF0E-4CB5-89F4-54D56064CA12@dsl.pipex.com>
	<70ed6b130603081043t5c13d72ao67d884d9acf37bce@mail.gmail.com>
	<8C81105DF835ADF-B54-184AF@FWM-M31.sysops.aol.com>
	<03E22101-F887-4B7E-B124-C67278C65AD4@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <44101148.961165E0@club-internet.fr>



David,

>
> Anti-aliasing Graphics Engine. Revolution?s vector graphics
> presentation layer is now anti-aliased.
> These are super-cool features, but they are not NEEDED,

anti-aliased vector graphics were BADLY NEEDED, and I've been
begging for it since 2002 or so...
In a couple of projects that required high quality graphics I had to write
an external that used 2D openGL to achieve the quality requested by
my client. And of course, I wasn't able to charge that client for the
development time that happened to be several times more important
than using a simple vector graphics tool in Rev (simply because it was
hard to admit that a dev. tool that I described as "the best one around"
didn't feature anti-aliased graphics)...

Different needs, different priorities...

Best,
JB



From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Thu Mar  9 06:33:45 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 11:33:45 +0000
Subject: 2.7 bugs
In-Reply-To: <44101148.961165E0@club-internet.fr>
References: <001901c63ab6$0696e8d0$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>	<403AED7B-CF0E-4CB5-89F4-54D56064CA12@dsl.pipex.com>
	<70ed6b130603081043t5c13d72ao67d884d9acf37bce@mail.gmail.com>
	<8C81105DF835ADF-B54-184AF@FWM-M31.sysops.aol.com>
	<03E22101-F887-4B7E-B124-C67278C65AD4@dsl.pipex.com>
	<44101148.961165E0@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <9CF00F63-F02A-40D5-A568-CA3938BFE2D4@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

  I've had to write some externals too for features that are not in  
RunRev already. The point is that you found a work-around, however if  
you have a bug at the "core" of RunRev there is no work-around except  
to use a different development system. Also once you have written  
your external all you have to do from them on is use it in all other  
projects that require that feature, whereas if it's a bug in RunRev  
then you have to remember that feature "X" does not work in all other  
projects.

I've wasted days trying to make something work in RunRev that  
according to the documentation should work just fine but because of a  
bug it either didn't work at all or didn't work as published. Of  
course I couldn't charge the client for that time either. In your  
case this just happened to you with one client, not because of a bug,  
but because a feature was not present,  which you could have found  
out simply by asking RunRev "Is Anti-Aliased vector graphics  
supported?". You could then build the time to code this as an  
external into your quote. With a bug in RunRev you are dealing with  
something that should work and that is documented to work but just  
doesn't work. This (at least potentially) affects all developers in  
all projects and causes a lot time to be waste as well as a lot of  
hair pulling and grinding of teeth! If we added up all the hours lost  
by all developers (as well as putting off newbies) because of bugs in  
RunRev, I'm willing to bet that it would add up to a lot more than  
the time you lost due to not having a feature added.

The difference is in control. With an unsupported feature, the  
developer is in control, with bug the developer is NOT in control and  
therefore in a much more frustrating position.

All the Best
Dave

On 9 Mar 2006, at 11:28, jbv wrote:

>
>
> David,
>
>>
>> Anti-aliasing Graphics Engine. Revolution?s vector graphics
>> presentation layer is now anti-aliased.
>> These are super-cool features, but they are not NEEDED,
>
> anti-aliased vector graphics were BADLY NEEDED, and I've been
> begging for it since 2002 or so...
> In a couple of projects that required high quality graphics I had  
> to write
> an external that used 2D openGL to achieve the quality requested by
> my client. And of course, I wasn't able to charge that client for the
> development time that happened to be several times more important
> than using a simple vector graphics tool in Rev (simply because it was
> hard to admit that a dev. tool that I described as "the best one  
> around"
> didn't feature anti-aliased graphics)...
>
> Different needs, different priorities...
>
> Best,
> JB
>
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From mcdomi at free.fr  Thu Mar  9 07:21:45 2006
From: mcdomi at free.fr (Dom)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 13:21:45 +0100
Subject: [FR] [EN]Re: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <5DE14B83-50B5-48B9-892E-45809A896205@lexicall.org>
Message-ID: <1hbxox0.fd83sq1bzmg00M%mcdomi@free.fr>

Marielle Lange <mlange at lexicall.org> wrote:

> There are two things that I don't understand.

<snip>

Bien dit, Marielle !

On est vraiment en plein brouillard... et quand on pose une question, le
PDG intervient pour nous dire que ?a n'est pas le bon endroit ;->

Que peut faire Media, et surtout qu'est-ce que Media ne peut pas faire,
et que DreamCard pouvait faire ??

[systran]

One is really in full fog... and when a question is put, the chairman
intervenes to say to us that that is not the good place ;->

What can make Media, and especially what Media cannot make, and which
DreamCard could make??



From kevin at runrev.com  Thu Mar  9 07:35:07 2006
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 12:35:07 +0000
Subject: 2.7 bugs
In-Reply-To: <44101148.961165E0@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <C035D17B.2D1B7%kevin@runrev.com>

On 9/3/06 11:28, "jbv" <jbv.silences at club-internet.fr> wrote:

>> Anti-aliasing Graphics Engine. Revolution?s vector graphics
>> presentation layer is now anti-aliased.
>> These are super-cool features, but they are not NEEDED,
> 
> anti-aliased vector graphics were BADLY NEEDED, and I've been
> begging for it since 2002 or so...
> In a couple of projects that required high quality graphics I had to write
> an external that used 2D openGL to achieve the quality requested by
> my client. And of course, I wasn't able to charge that client for the
> development time that happened to be several times more important
> than using a simple vector graphics tool in Rev (simply because it was
> hard to admit that a dev. tool that I described as "the best one around"
> didn't feature anti-aliased graphics)...
> 
> Different needs, different priorities...

I think these two sides of this debate sum it up quite well.  We can't
please everyone with every release.  I hear what people are saying about
bugs and stability issues.  At the same time I also know that the vast
majority of the feedback we have received on this release has been positive.
Remember that only a percentage of our customers are on this list, and we
receive a lot of feedback directly too.

Now that the hard work for this new release cycle is out of the way, we will
do a series of point releases to fix bugs and provide greater feature
completeness.  The first of those will smooth out the handful of rough edges
in 2.7 that have been reported, and then we'll be tackling some other areas
that have attracted feedback for a longer period of time.  The first such
point release is right around the corner now, so please wait patiently for a
short while as we get that together.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Thu Mar  9 08:01:37 2006
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 21:01:37 +0800
Subject: My DreamCard doesn't start
In-Reply-To: <440F55B6.3010304@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <310e1d856374fcff10a2b8b7544de661@maccosm.info>
	<440F55B6.3010304@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160603090501x6a6cf933l722274923815ce5c@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/9/06, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> Did you move it from its default location? It sounds like some of the
> support files aren't available. If you moved it, put it back. If not,
> try reinstalling.



I'm looking at moving 2.7 from it's default location. Any tips on how to do
this correctly?

For all previous versions of REV, and the Mac OS for that matter, I've had
no problem just dragging the REV folder to a separate HD where I keep all my
programing related items. I get the feeling that 2.7 will be problematic,
making it one of the very few non Apple programs that I run that NEEDs to
reside in the Application folder.

Currently I have a SYMLINK (not a simple alias) inside my Applications
folder which points to my other HD, this works for all other Apps.

Advise appreciated.


From tacintosh at maccosm.info  Thu Mar  9 08:33:51 2006
From: tacintosh at maccosm.info (Takaaki Furukawa)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 22:33:51 +0900
Subject: My DreamCard doesn't start
In-Reply-To: <440F55B6.3010304@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <310e1d856374fcff10a2b8b7544de661@maccosm.info>
	<440F55B6.3010304@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <3f4eadb658b95f8e06acf01de43bd9a3@maccosm.info>

Jacqueline,
It worked! I moved it to the top level of Applications folder and now 
it's perfectly ok.
Thank you. I want Revolution to be more flexible about where it is (if 
it is called "Revolution"), though.

- Takaaki

> Takaaki Furukawa wrote:
>> My DreamCard 2.5 for Mac OS X doesn't start. The dock icon bounces 
>> for a couple of times
>> when I click it, but it quits without warning. I deleted the Pref 
>> file but no effect.
>> What should I do?
>
> Did you move it from its default location? It sounds like some of the 
> support files aren't available. If you moved it, put it back. If not, 
> try reinstalling.



From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Thu Mar  9 08:43:19 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 13:43:19 +0000
Subject: 2.7 bugs
In-Reply-To: <C035D17B.2D1B7%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C035D17B.2D1B7%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <198719C5-6172-480A-8D4F-C085E5B90A8A@dsl.pipex.com>


On 9 Mar 2006, at 12:35, Kevin Miller wrote:

> On 9/3/06 11:28, "jbv" <jbv.silences at club-internet.fr> wrote:
>
>>> Anti-aliasing Graphics Engine. Revolution?s vector graphics
>>> presentation layer is now anti-aliased.
>>> These are super-cool features, but they are not NEEDED,
>>
>> anti-aliased vector graphics were BADLY NEEDED, and I've been
>> begging for it since 2002 or so...
>> In a couple of projects that required high quality graphics I had  
>> to write
>> an external that used 2D openGL to achieve the quality requested by
>> my client. And of course, I wasn't able to charge that client for the
>> development time that happened to be several times more important
>> than using a simple vector graphics tool in Rev (simply because it  
>> was
>> hard to admit that a dev. tool that I described as "the best one  
>> around"
>> didn't feature anti-aliased graphics)...
>>
>> Different needs, different priorities...
>
> I think these two sides of this debate sum it up quite well.  We can't
> please everyone with every release.  I hear what people are saying  
> about
> bugs and stability issues.  At the same time I also know that the vast
> majority of the feedback we have received on this release has been  
> positive.
> Remember that only a percentage of our customers are on this list,  
> and we
> receive a lot of feedback directly too.

In this case he had written an external to handle it, so it was a non- 
problem. Also it wouldn't have been a problem at all if he had either  
used a different development system (one that supported AA) or  
planned to add AA as an external from the start and incorporated the  
cost in his initial costing.

All the new features mentioned in my post are not NEEDED, they may  
make the system more cool and may make it more attractive for a  
developer/user and so increase sales, however as soon as they start  
to develop an application they run into bugs that have been around  
for ages. The result is wasted time and frustration and for a Newbie  
a lack of trust in the system begins to develop, this results in more  
wasted time.

One of the good things about RunRev is that you can easily add to the  
system using External Commands, that way new features can be  
developed and debugged before adding to the system as a whole and it  
allows developers to use RunRev for applications that the "standard"  
system does not support.


> Now that the hard work for this new release cycle is out of the  
> way, we will
> do a series of point releases to fix bugs and provide greater feature
> completeness.

That's really good news and I really hope it happens. I can't help  
thinking that it would have been easier/quicker to fix the bugs if  
new features had not been added. The time to fix "core" bugs is when  
the system is small and when there are fewer developers. The more the  
system grows and the more people it effects the harder it is to get  
things fixed in a timely manner.

> The first of those will smooth out the handful of rough edges
> in 2.7 that have been reported, and then we'll be tackling some  
> other areas
> that have attracted feedback for a longer period of time.

If new features had not been added then there would be no need for  
smoothing and the only people affected by problems would be those  
that were using the new features.

> The first such point release is right around the corner now, so  
> please wait patiently for a
> short while as we get that together.

That's good news too, but I won't be using 2.7 for some time, I've  
been burnt before by "upgrades" that take me back a few steps and  
waste my time. I will wait and see which way the wind blows before  
upgrading.

All the Best
Dave




From kevin at runrev.com  Thu Mar  9 09:10:22 2006
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:10:22 +0000
Subject: 2.7 bugs
In-Reply-To: <198719C5-6172-480A-8D4F-C085E5B90A8A@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <C035E7CE.2D1E7%kevin@runrev.com>

On 9/3/06 13:43, "David Burgun" <dburgun at dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

>> Now that the hard work for this new release cycle is out of the  way, we will
>> do a series of point releases to fix bugs and provide greater feature
>> completeness.
> 
> That's really good news and I really hope it happens. I can't help
> thinking that it would have been easier/quicker to fix the bugs if
> new features had not been added. The time to fix "core" bugs is when
> the system is small and when there are fewer developers. The more the
> system grows and the more people it effects the harder it is to get
> things fixed in a timely manner.

That's simply not the case.  Many of the bugs and issues people have
reported are either easier to address, or in some cases can only be
addressed by rewriting or reworking a specific area.  In 2.7 we reworked
large areas related to rendering and that will have knock on effects in
allowing us to address several of the more popular things people have been
asking for.  For example, in order to properly address the feedback on
printing related issues we needed to do most of the groundwork we just did.
"Exposing" the antialising feature on top of that work was relatively little
effort, for an enhancement that many have requested.  Over 2.7.x we are now
well placed to do more.

>> The first of those will smooth out the handful of rough edges in 2.7 that
>> have been reported, and then we'll be tackling some other areas that have
>> attracted feedback for a longer period of time.
> 
> If new features had not been added then there would be no need for
> smoothing and the only people affected by problems would be those
> that were using the new features.

When rewriting any major area, you always run the risk of introducing some
new issues.  But if you put in new foundations that are sound, it makes it
easier to address anything you have inadvertently shaken up, and then go on
to improve other areas.  This is fairly typical pattern for software
upgrades - a major release followed by point releases.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Thu Mar  9 09:15:10 2006
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 22:15:10 +0800
Subject: Revolution vs Visual Basic
In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e0603081149g43ce5dc6ge9f8a897694e37ed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9f20020603052243w28dec86bn1b00ba0fbb017319@mail.gmail.com>
	<70ed6b130603081056o103b9456n598ca0f40b197642@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b408d8e0603081149g43ce5dc6ge9f8a897694e37ed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160603090615o4ec9a694tb9e8f3d43fdd5b9d@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/9/06, Mikey <mikeythek at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Revolution's grandfather, HyperCard made the task of building
> prototypes a trivial enterprise.  Revolution is also easy to use to
> build prototypes.  The overhead that is usually associated with
> building a project is for the most part abssent.  You don't have to
> cast and instantiate anything.  Types are context-implied (see my
> previous example).  In short it is REALLY easy to build something
> quickly.


So is this good or bad?

Last month I visited my brother and took my mountain bike so we could ride
some trails. For various reasons my bike had road tyres on it so when I
arrived I fitted some new nobby tyres.

I enjoy cycling and have one of those cyclecomputers so I can record my
rides. Unfortunately I'd long lost the manual for the cyclecomputer so
couldn't modify the tyre diameter to reflect the new tyres. If you hit
80kmph you don't want it to only say 78.5:-) So for a couple of days I just
jotted down the ride details on a piece of paper.

Then one day when I had two hours to spare I whipped up a quick stack that
consisted of two buttons - one to select the tyre size in the computer, the
other to select the tyre size on the bike. Then 10 fields, basically 6
fields to enter the data in and 4 fields to show the 'corrected' data.
Fields like 'Time' didn't need correcting.

The longest part of the whole process was finding (on the internet, where I
could have found the procedure to enter the new diameter into my
cyclecomputer) and typing the 52 standard tyre sizes into a custom property,
the single property being used by both buttons, and then creating the switch
statement to relate these tyre sizes to their specific diameters!

The next longest part was organising to transfer the data into the stack
which stores the record of all my rides - a stack I created about 3 months
ago to takeover from an AppleWorks spreadsheet:-)

The fields and buttons only took minutes to place and size and the single
function, a simple percentage adjustment which was used by all fields that
needed correcting, took only a little longer. Could have saved on typing if
I wasn't so partial for very descriptive variable names like
tMyTyreSizeStoredInCyclecomputer

Of course I do get a real kick out of the comments I get from my brother
(always ribbing me about Macs being toys, he sells U$80,000 - 140,000+
software for a living) - for a Mac user you sure seem to tinker with the
insides a lot.

So my problem with this is, I must produce one of these every couple of
weeks - OoooHhh look a problem, I could write a stack to solve that - but I
never actually FINISH anything because I've 'discovered' another problem I
could solve with REV!

I never get around to building proper menus, the aesthetic leave a lot to be
desired and I could count on one hand how many standalones I've actually
produced. I have illusions of grandeur, that one day I'll make something for
someone else, which is why I entered all 52 tyre sizes rather than just the
two I needed.

And I know I'm not the only one, I take great reassurance from the sporadic
post I read of people who run everything within the IDE because their
solutions are only for them!

 So consider yourself warned;-)


From index at kenjikojima.com  Thu Mar  9 09:24:24 2006
From: index at kenjikojima.com (Kenji Kojima)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 09:24:24 -0500
Subject: Unicode Font List (Was Re: Revolution vs Visual Basic)
In-Reply-To: <440F95E1.4070704@fourthworld.com>
References: <C03482B1.37303%kray@sonsothunder.com>	<440F31F1.5070109@paraboliclogic.com>	<EA3C61D2-F567-4DDC-9170-ABEBC54DA35B@byu.edu>	<A7528976-999C-4A5B-A653-4CDC477B60F5@byu.edu>
	<F57181AC-CE80-4211-A571-C007DC74EBB2@byu.edu>
	<440F95E1.4070704@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4D414E36-8258-41F1-AAA6-4DBBA1ED1EA0@kenjikojima.com>

>  Richard Gaskin wrote:

>  Now what do we do to get a Font menu to display the font names  
> correctly?
>

Japanese sample:
go url "http://www.kenjikojima.com/runrev/handbook/download/ 
jpnFontmenu.rev"


--
Kenji Kojima
CHIBI NINJA free:
http://www.kenjikojima.com/chibinin/







From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Thu Mar  9 09:43:00 2006
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 22:43:00 +0800
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <5DE14B83-50B5-48B9-892E-45809A896205@lexicall.org>
References: <5DE14B83-50B5-48B9-892E-45809A896205@lexicall.org>
Message-ID: <f73a98160603090643wbc1e957qdc643fe4813bf7bf@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/9/06, Marielle Lange <mlange at lexicall.org> wrote:
>
>
> I rather agree with the argument you make, but I disagree with the
> way it is made, using the story of another person that nobody can
> check up. I far prefer that attempts to convince non profit users on
> this list to put the little money they have in revolution rather than
> other products focus on a discussion of the intrinsic quality of the
> product and customer support.


OK, then substitute me.

I can fully relate to  the story Dan posted as I basically used exactly the
same logic when I upgraded from REV Express (free at the time) to REV
DreamCard (may not have been called DreamCard) and then to REV Studio.

REV Express disappeared and I was pretty ticked off at not having a 'free'
version for hobbiests to 'play with'. I even emailed REV and let them know
what I thought.

But to put it into perspective, I 'play with' trains, and I spend more
annually on model trains than REV.

I enjoy cycling, and spend more on my bike annually than I do on REV. See my
recent post - subject REV vs Visual Basic - on how I use REV to support my
cycling.

I enjoy computers, and whilst I LOVE Perl, MySQL and other freebies. I still
spend more annually on computer hardware and software (excluding REV) than
on REV alone. Then again children do form a large part of the software
expenditure pie (games).

So, I'm never going to make money out of my trains (apart from a few sound
investments), my bike, or from REV. Although I still hope that one day I'll
actually script something that is useful to someone else.

Please feel free to 'check up' my story. I'd love to send you a photo of my
Live Steam engine or my new road bike;-)


From liamlambert at mac.com  Thu Mar  9 10:28:36 2006
From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:28:36 +0000
Subject: importing list
Message-ID: <0334E53D-5775-4866-8555-7667B2F0BB81@mac.com>

Just a note to say thank you all
I got it all working I was downloading database info from a web site
  5000 files and filtering out a lot of info I did not need just  
leaving the
address and some other info with help from this list I got it done in  
6 hours  and then
printing them out on labels and putting the info into a db I ended up  
with a nice little
app REV AND THIS LIST are really powerful things
Thanks' a lot every body.

Liam Lambert
liamlambert at mac.com
IRELAND




From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Thu Mar  9 10:29:51 2006
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 10:29:51 -0500
Subject: New MS Origami device
Message-ID: <95C9C13D-E82E-4612-8744-ACE489C1F846@adelphia.net>

i was wondering if Rev will jump on this OS for these new devices? Or  
if we will work out of the box?

We've got Intel on the Mac and Origami (Win XP Tablet Modified) on  
Windows.

http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/09/technology/microsoft_origami.reut/ 
index.htm?cnn=yes

Tom


Thomas J McGrath III
3mcgrath at adelphia.net

Lazy River Software? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com

Lazy River Metal Art? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/metal.html

Meeting Wear? - http://www.cafepress.com/meetingwear

Semantic Compaction Systems - http://www.minspeak.com

SCIconics, LLC - http://www.sciconics.com/sciindex.html









From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Thu Mar  9 10:33:39 2006
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 10:33:39 -0500
Subject: Expanded DPI images for printing -Good News (news to me
	anyway)...
In-Reply-To: <p06230901c0357ec2ad81@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603082215440.21930-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<p06230901c0357ec2ad81@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <EB701A9C-4EA0-4FA6-9BDD-55C7485E027D@adelphia.net>

Are we sure about this? I mean PNGs allow for a separate PPI for  
printing and screen display. I always assumed that apps like Rev used  
the PPI information for printing.

Is this just Rev that is ignoring the other formats and just focusing  
on the pict format? I haven't test this and would really like to know  
what others have found.

Thanks Stephen,

Tom

On Mar 9, 2006, at 2:13 AM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> In other words, Rev reads the DPI of the image from the file and  
> prints accordingly in the print region. This does not work with  
> PNG, Gif or jpg images, that show and print at screen resolution.
>
> So has rev always worked this way, or is this new?
> Weren't we encouraged to not use picts anymore?
> And finally, are PC users able to create picts?

Thomas J McGrath III
3mcgrath at adelphia.net

Lazy River Software? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com

Lazy River Metal Art? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/metal.html

Meeting Wear? - http://www.cafepress.com/meetingwear

Semantic Compaction Systems - http://www.minspeak.com

SCIconics, LLC - http://www.sciconics.com/sciindex.html









From marty at vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu  Thu Mar  9 10:40:59 2006
From: marty at vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu (Marty Billingsley)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 09:40:59 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Dictionary in OS X
In-Reply-To: <20060309012221.6F341825B56@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060309012221.6F341825B56@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0603090935150.2483@vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu>

Gregory Lypny <gregory.lypny at videotron.ca> writes:
>
> I had read somewhere that it is possible to access some built-in Mac
> applications, such as Dictionary, directly from the command line.
> Now I was wondering whether it would also be possible to access those
> applications through Revolution.  I'm doing research that involves
> indexing all the words in big text files.  Of course, using the xTalk
> definition of a word as any quoted string or string separated by one
> or more spaces leaves me with many words that are not words we use in
> the sense of dictionary words, things like acronyms, and others that
> aren't relevant to me because they are proper nouns, such as company
> or product names.  So I was hoping to write a script that might check
> whether each of the words in my index exists in the dictionary.
>
> Any thoughts would be most appreciated.

Look in /usr/share/dict for the lists of words.  You might be able
to use these files for your index-checker.

(As an aside, why wouldn't you want proper nouns in your index if they're
relevant to your topic?)

  - marty

--
Marty Billingsley (marty at ucls.uchicago.edu)
The University of Chicago Laboratory Schools


From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Thu Mar  9 10:43:33 2006
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 10:43:33 -0500
Subject: 2.7 bugs
In-Reply-To: <9CF00F63-F02A-40D5-A568-CA3938BFE2D4@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <001901c63ab6$0696e8d0$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>	<403AED7B-CF0E-4CB5-89F4-54D56064CA12@dsl.pipex.com>
	<70ed6b130603081043t5c13d72ao67d884d9acf37bce@mail.gmail.com>
	<8C81105DF835ADF-B54-184AF@FWM-M31.sysops.aol.com>
	<03E22101-F887-4B7E-B124-C67278C65AD4@dsl.pipex.com>
	<44101148.961165E0@club-internet.fr>
	<9CF00F63-F02A-40D5-A568-CA3938BFE2D4@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <0C1634D5-6696-4557-AB2D-5315C3DCE8DA@adelphia.net>

Dave,

Yeah but these bugs that are being reported recently are almost all  
in the development environment and not in the "core". I have yet to  
have any of my standalone applications either on Mac or Win crash. It  
is the IDE that tends to be buggy for certain things and the team at  
RR have focused always on the engine level bugs first and fixed those.

2cents

Tom


On Mar 9, 2006, at 6:33 AM, David Burgun wrote:

>  I've had to write some externals too for features that are not in  
> RunRev already. The point is that you found a work-around, however  
> if you have a bug at the "core" of RunRev there is no work-around  
> except to use a different development system. Also once you have  
> written your external all you have to do from them on is use it in  
> all other projects that require that feature, whereas if it's a bug  
> in RunRev then you have to remember that feature "X" does not work  
> in all other projects.

Thomas J McGrath III
3mcgrath at adelphia.net

Lazy River Software? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com

Lazy River Metal Art? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/metal.html

Meeting Wear? - http://www.cafepress.com/meetingwear

Semantic Compaction Systems - http://www.minspeak.com

SCIconics, LLC - http://www.sciconics.com/sciindex.html









From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Thu Mar  9 10:49:37 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 07:49:37 -0800
Subject: 2.7 bugs
In-Reply-To: <198719C5-6172-480A-8D4F-C085E5B90A8A@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <C035D17B.2D1B7%kevin@runrev.com>
	<198719C5-6172-480A-8D4F-C085E5B90A8A@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <44104E91.9030808@paraboliclogic.com>

It's nice to see someone else who feels as I do about the bugs.  ;-)

-Garrett


From rcozens at pon.net  Thu Mar  9 11:32:52 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:32:52 -0800
Subject: New MS Origami device
In-Reply-To: <95C9C13D-E82E-4612-8744-ACE489C1F846@adelphia.net>
References: <95C9C13D-E82E-4612-8744-ACE489C1F846@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <5AE9A418-AF8A-11DA-8981-0030657E1638@pon.net>


Hi Tom,

> i was wondering if Rev will jump on this OS for these new devices? Or 
> if we will work out of the box?

RR isn't Tablet PC compliant now; so it won't be Origami compliant 
out-of-the-box.

Bugzilla #3252 requests TPC compliance for RunRev.  You can vote for 
this at

  <http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=3252>


Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From rcozens at pon.net  Thu Mar  9 11:33:17 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:33:17 -0800
Subject: Stack on a server
In-Reply-To: <440F8873.2030300@comcast.net>
References: <440F8873.2030300@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <6999F06B-AF8A-11DA-8981-0030657E1638@pon.net>

Hi Marty,

> Can multiple people simultaneously access data from a Rev stack on a 
> server (from a standalone)? Is there a recommended method of doing so?
>
>

Only for read-only access as Devin described.

Since a stack is entirely RAM-resident, one user can open the stack, 
keep it open while others make changes, and then save the 
stack--undoing all changes made since he/she originally opened the 
file.

The most practical way I have found to do do this is via a db server 
app that supports record locking.  See 
<http://wecode.org/serendipity/>.

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From rcozens at pon.net  Thu Mar  9 11:33:48 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:33:48 -0800
Subject: No OpenStack ..... ! Now Ending !
In-Reply-To: <ba5feacb63108f27be597ff442184e62@wanadoo.fr>
References: <ba5feacb63108f27be597ff442184e62@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <7C5F0073-AF8A-11DA-8981-0030657E1638@pon.net>


Francis,

> One more small point. When I drop my files onto (would
> you believe it ?) a Lexar JumpDrive, and move to the PC,
> I find that I have twice the files I thought. I get the same
> number of Alias ? files, equivalent to the files I copied.
> How do I remove this problem ?
>

I have simply ignored the files that whose names start with "._".

I suspect these files contain the resource fork data -- if the file has 
any.  Since Rev stacks have nothing in the resource fork, it shouldn't 
be an issue...and hasn't been for moi.

Rob Cozens, CCW
Serendipity Software Company

"A human being is a part of the whole, called by us "Universe," a part 
limited in time and space.  He experiences himself, his thoughts and 
feelings as something separated from the rest--a kind of optical 
delusion of his consciousness.  This delusion is a kind of prison for 
us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few 
persons nearest to us.  Our task must be to free ourselves from this 
prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living 
creatures and the whole nature in its beauty."  -- Albert Einstein



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  9 11:45:26 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 08:45:26 -0800
Subject: importing list
In-Reply-To: <440FEF60.7010901@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <C0359BA6.35DE0%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/9/06 1:03 AM, "Alex Tweedly" <alex at tweedly.net> wrote:

> Jim,  you can't do that (at least, not if I interpreted Liam's email
> correctly).  I'm pretty sure he is saying that the file contains
> multiple "entries", each entry consisting of the multiple "fields".  If
> you had a single entry, then this 'split'-based technique is the one I'd
> use - but it can't be used while there are multiple entries ....  you'd
> finish up with an array element for each field name, containing the data
> for the last entry.
> 
> You could keep the outer loop from Devin's code, to create tCurrRecord,
> and then split tCurrRecord

Yes, Alex, you are correct about the multiple 'records' per file, and I was
thinking that in the beginning, but was not sure since the description of
the task was not clear.  As you say, you would need to put another repeat
level to parse the multiple 'records' per file, then do the array stuff.

After assuming one-per-file, I offered the attached alternative.  I would
design a more robust approach by using regEx, assuming some errors, the
possibility multiple records per file, and even test for incomplete records,
missing values, as well as incomplete html downloads.

I have several programs that do very robust html download and error checking
for my business projects.  One program I use as a lynch pin is AltBrowser by
Altuit.

Glad you studied this well enough to see the limitations :-)

Jim Ault
Las Vegas





> Jim Ault wrote:
> 
>> ---------------
>> Another approach would have an advantage or two.
>> ONE - using a web address like http://website.com would not use the colon as
>> a delimiter, since the 'split' command only considers the first occurance
>> TWO - if any glitches occurred that added spurious lines that did not match
>> an existing field, these would be ignored. (eg. tab, space)
>> THREE - if your labels have a leading/trailing space this will get cleaned
>> off
>> FOUR -- filter rawData without empty
>> 
>> NOTE: I would recommend that you not use "/" in your field label (eg.
>> Principal/Director)  can lead to problems later with scripting.
>> 
>> -------------------------------------------------------------




From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Thu Mar  9 11:45:59 2006
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 11:45:59 -0500
Subject: New MS Origami device
In-Reply-To: <5AE9A418-AF8A-11DA-8981-0030657E1638@pon.net>
References: <95C9C13D-E82E-4612-8744-ACE489C1F846@adelphia.net>
	<5AE9A418-AF8A-11DA-8981-0030657E1638@pon.net>
Message-ID: <74A98F77-FB8F-403A-87F5-34BD8E8E142F@adelphia.net>

Done and voted on.

T

On Mar 9, 2006, at 11:32 AM, Rob Cozens wrote:

>
> Hi Tom,
>
>> i was wondering if Rev will jump on this OS for these new devices?  
>> Or if we will work out of the box?
>
> RR isn't Tablet PC compliant now; so it won't be Origami compliant  
> out-of-the-box.
>
> Bugzilla #3252 requests TPC compliance for RunRev.  You can vote  
> for this at
>
>  <http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=3252>
>
>
> Rob Cozens
> CCW, Serendipity Software Company

Thomas J McGrath III
3mcgrath at adelphia.net

Lazy River Software? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com

Lazy River Metal Art? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/metal.html

Meeting Wear? - http://www.cafepress.com/meetingwear

Semantic Compaction Systems - http://www.minspeak.com

SCIconics, LLC - http://www.sciconics.com/sciindex.html









From wlists at fireworksmm.com  Thu Mar  9 11:50:04 2006
From: wlists at fireworksmm.com (Wally Rodriguez)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 11:50:04 -0500
Subject: New MS Origami device
In-Reply-To: <5AE9A418-AF8A-11DA-8981-0030657E1638@pon.net>
References: <95C9C13D-E82E-4612-8744-ACE489C1F846@adelphia.net>
	<5AE9A418-AF8A-11DA-8981-0030657E1638@pon.net>
Message-ID: <0B5CCEBE-E6DC-4973-9EC5-819DBA64C51D@fireworksmm.com>

Having said this... I run a custom home-control system on my tablet  
pc without any issues, just no tablet pc goodies.

W.

On Mar 9, 2006, at 11:32 AM, Rob Cozens wrote:

>
> Hi Tom,
>
>> i was wondering if Rev will jump on this OS for these new devices?  
>> Or if we will work out of the box?
>
> RR isn't Tablet PC compliant now; so it won't be Origami compliant  
> out-of-the-box.
>
> Bugzilla #3252 requests TPC compliance for RunRev.  You can vote  
> for this at



From knoxnet at dmrtc.net  Thu Mar  9 12:08:53 2006
From: knoxnet at dmrtc.net (Steve Knox)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 12:08:53 -0500
Subject: Slow Dialogs in Rev 2.7
In-Reply-To: <C035A3D9.B01%paulclaude@postino.it>
References: <C035A3D9.B01%paulclaude@postino.it>
Message-ID: <FD567C29-4F56-4B07-9F4C-C8F5691E5916@dmrtc.net>

I see this occasionally too, but not real often.  I'm also running  
10.4.4.  Does it real bad in Appleworks 6.2.7.  Might be a Carbon  
issue?  10.4.5 is out, but haven't tried it yet.

Steve


On Mar 9, 2006, at 3:20 AM, Paul Claude wrote:

> Well, I've copied the whole revolution folder in my iBook, and  
> there it
> works normally (mac os x 10.3.9), so it's not a plugin issue. I  
> think the
> problem could be related to Mac Os 10.4.4.
>
> on 08/03/2006 19:16, J. Landman Gay at jacque at hyperactivesw.com wrote:
>
>> I am completely puzzled. I don't think anyone else has this  
>> problem or
>> they would have said so. It must be something about your particular
>> system. All I can suggest is to reinstall Revolution.
>>
>> Sometimes virus checkers interfere and cause slowdowns, but that  
>> doesn't
>> seem too likely since your other windows open okay.
>>
>> If you have any custom plugins, try removing them and restarting Rev.
>> Also make sure you have no custom frontscripts or backscripts. I hope
>> someone else can think of other things to try, because what is  
>> happening
>> is not normal behavior.
>



From rjb at robelko.com  Thu Mar  9 12:03:34 2006
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 18:03:34 +0100
Subject: ._ files (was: No OpenStack ..... ! Now Ending !)
In-Reply-To: <7C5F0073-AF8A-11DA-8981-0030657E1638@pon.net>
References: <ba5feacb63108f27be597ff442184e62@wanadoo.fr>
	<7C5F0073-AF8A-11DA-8981-0030657E1638@pon.net>
Message-ID: <a0611040cc0360f901dd9@[141.89.100.174]>

>Francis,
>
>>One more small point. When I drop my files onto (would
>>you believe it ?) a Lexar JumpDrive, and move to the PC,
>>I find that I have twice the files I thought. I get the same
>>number of Alias ? files, equivalent to the files I copied.
>>How do I remove this problem ?
>>
>
>I have simply ignored the files that whose names start with "._".
>
>I suspect these files contain the resource fork data -- if the file 
>has any.  Since Rev stacks have nothing in the resource fork, it 
>shouldn't be an issue...and hasn't been for moi.
>
>Rob Cozens, CCW
>Serendipity Software Company


For those wondering about those ._ files, here is the explanation 
from the "guilty" party, Apple itself:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106510

For most files, these ._ are actually empty and in case of Rev stacks 
safely ditched.

Robert


From rcozens at pon.net  Thu Mar  9 12:12:58 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 09:12:58 -0800
Subject: New MS Origami device
In-Reply-To: <0B5CCEBE-E6DC-4973-9EC5-819DBA64C51D@fireworksmm.com>
References: <95C9C13D-E82E-4612-8744-ACE489C1F846@adelphia.net>
	<5AE9A418-AF8A-11DA-8981-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<0B5CCEBE-E6DC-4973-9EC5-819DBA64C51D@fireworksmm.com>
Message-ID: <F524B33C-AF8F-11DA-B1C6-0030657E1638@pon.net>

Hi Wally,

> Having said this... I run a custom home-control system on my tablet pc 
> without any issues, just no tablet pc goodies.

I'm running RR v2.7 on my TPC, working around compliance issues.  My 
main hangup seems to be that ink input is sent to a RR field as 
Unicode; but characters typed on the on-screen keyboard are 8-bit.  I 
have not tried voice input -- dictation or command -- with Revolution.

If you or anybody else is interested, contact me privately for a copy 
of the eMail I sent to RR Support after installing Microsoft's TPC SDK 
and reading the documentation.

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)




From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Thu Mar  9 12:24:00 2006
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 12:24:00 -0500
Subject: ._ files (was: No OpenStack ..... ! Now Ending !)
In-Reply-To: <a0611040cc0360f901dd9@[141.89.100.174]>
References: <ba5feacb63108f27be597ff442184e62@wanadoo.fr>
	<7C5F0073-AF8A-11DA-8981-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<a0611040cc0360f901dd9@[141.89.100.174]>
Message-ID: <E044DAD6-2FD5-4D13-B743-74EE3FD0D918@adelphia.net>

What this article doesn't say is what happens if you don't see both  
file, then what does not 'safely ignoring' the file do? Is it unsafe  
to delete the file in some cases?

And how does the file get put back together? Does the OS know how to  
do this?


"The second new file has the name of the original file prefixed by a  
"._ " and contains the resource fork of the original file. If you see  
both files, the ._ file can be safely ignored. Sometimes when  
deleting a file, the ._ component will not be deleted. If this occurs  
you can safely delete the ._ file."

Tom

On Mar 9, 2006, at 12:03 PM, Robert Brenstein wrote:

>> Francis,
>>
>>> One more small point. When I drop my files onto (would
>>> you believe it ?) a Lexar JumpDrive, and move to the PC,
>>> I find that I have twice the files I thought. I get the same
>>> number of Alias ? files, equivalent to the files I copied.
>>> How do I remove this problem ?
>>>
>>
>> I have simply ignored the files that whose names start with "._".
>>
>> I suspect these files contain the resource fork data -- if the  
>> file has any.  Since Rev stacks have nothing in the resource fork,  
>> it shouldn't be an issue...and hasn't been for moi.
>>
>> Rob Cozens, CCW
>> Serendipity Software Company
>
>
> For those wondering about those ._ files, here is the explanation  
> from the "guilty" party, Apple itself:
>
> http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106510
>
> For most files, these ._ are actually empty and in case of Rev  
> stacks safely ditched.
>
> Robert
>

Thomas J McGrath III
3mcgrath at adelphia.net

Lazy River Software? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com

Lazy River Metal Art? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/metal.html

Meeting Wear? - http://www.cafepress.com/meetingwear

Semantic Compaction Systems - http://www.minspeak.com

SCIconics, LLC - http://www.sciconics.com/sciindex.html









From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Thu Mar  9 12:31:32 2006
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 11:31:32 -0600
Subject: Player object and memory
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060309113126.066efb48@exchange.slg.com>

I am trying to play a sequence of MP3s.  I am using 3 interleaved players 
to speed up the transition between the sounds.  I set up the first 3 sounds 
on Player 1 - Player 3.  I then start Player 1 and when I get a playStopped 
message, I start Player 2 and set the filename for Player 1 to the next 
sound file for that player (if there is one).  Is there any memory 
management issues I need to be aware of?  My stack freezes eventually on 
XP, both as a standalone, and in the IDE.

I am doing this under Rev 2.6.1, but it also happens on 2.7.  In watching 
the messages, it freezes right after a startPlaying mesage is sent (but no 
sound plays, and I get a watch cursor and have to force quit Rev).  It 
doesn't freeze right away, but only after I have played a (seeming 
variable) number sound sequences.

Is this a bug?  Do I need to manually free any resources?  I haven't tested 
it most on Mac OS X, but I haven't seen it freeze on there.

In putting in copious puts to a field, before it freezes, there is a long 
pause when I set the next filename in QueueNext.  This happens after I 
start the next player whose sound does NOT play.

I have a group setup to contain the players.  I originally had the code 
attached to each player and had the same result.  I have generalized my 
code and moved it to the group script.  My group script is the following 
(perhaps someone can see a problem):

function NextPlayerNumber pName
   put word 2 of pName into tPlayerNumber
   put tPlayerNumber + 1 into tPlayerNumber
   if tPlayerNumber > the number of players of me then put 1 into tPlayerNumber
   return tPlayerNumber
end NextPlayerNumber

on playStopped
   put NextPlayerNumber(the short name of the target) into tNextPlayer
   if the cpDone of player ("Player" && tNextPlayer) of me is not true then
     start player ("Player" && tNextPlayer) of me
     QueueNext
   else
     StoppedReading
   end if
end playStopped

on QueueNext
   put the cpSoundList of the target into tCurrentSoundList
   if tCurrentSoundList is not empty then
     if there is no file the first item of tCurrentSoundList then
       ReportError "Cannot find file:" && the first item of 
tCurrentSoundList, "Missing Sound File"
       set the cpDone of the target to true
     else
       lock messages
       set the filename of the target to the first item of tCurrentSoundList
       unlock messages
       delete item 1 of tCurrentSoundList
       set the cpSoundList of the target to tCurrentSoundList
     end if
   else
     set the cpDone of the target to true
   end if
end QueueNext

on SetSoundFiles pSoundFileList
   put the number of players in me into tNumPlayers

   -- split up the list among the players, interleaving the sounds
   repeat with i = 1 to the number of items in pSoundFileList
     put (i - 1) mod tNumPlayers + 1 into tPlayerNumber
     put tPlayerList[tPlayerNumber] & item i of pSoundFileList & "," into 
tPlayerList[tPlayerNumber]
   end repeat

   -- queue up the first sound file for each
   lock messages
   repeat with i = 1 to tNumPlayers
     if there is no file the first item of tPlayerList[i] then
       ReportError "Cannot find file:" && the first item of tPlayerList[i], 
"Missing Sound File"
       set the cpDone of player ("Player" && i) to true
     else
       set the filename of player ("Player" && i) to the first item of 
tPlayerList[i]
       delete the first item of tPlayerList[i]
       set the cpSoundList of player ("Player" && i) to tPlayerList[i]
       set the cpDone of player ("Player" && i) to false
     end if
   end repeat
   unlock messages
end SetSoundFiles

on StartPlaying
   start player "Player 1" of me
end StartPlaying



Peter T. Evensen
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588  

From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Thu Mar  9 12:32:23 2006
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 11:32:23 -0600
Subject: Player object and memory
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060309113221.064ccc68@exchange.slg.com>

I am trying to play a sequence of MP3s.  I am using 3 interleaved players 
to speed up the transition between the sounds.  I set up the first 3 sounds 
on Player 1 - Player 3.  I then start Player 1 and when I get a playStopped 
message, I start Player 2 and set the filename for Player 1 to the next 
sound file for that player (if there is one).  Is there any memory 
management issues I need to be aware of?  My stack freezes eventually on 
XP, both as a standalone, and in the IDE.

I am doing this under Rev 2.6.1, but it also happens on 2.7.  In watching 
the messages, it freezes right after a startPlaying mesage is sent (but no 
sound plays, and I get a watch cursor and have to force quit Rev).  It 
doesn't freeze right away, but only after I have played a (seeming 
variable) number sound sequences.

Is this a bug?  Do I need to manually free any resources?  I haven't tested 
it most on Mac OS X, but I haven't seen it freeze on there.

In putting in copious puts to a field, before it freezes, there is a long 
pause when I set the next filename in QueueNext.  This happens after I 
start the next player whose sound does NOT play.

I have a group setup to contain the players.  I originally had the code 
attached to each player and had the same result.  I have generalized my 
code and moved it to the group script.  My group script is the following 
(perhaps someone can see a problem):

function NextPlayerNumber pName
   put word 2 of pName into tPlayerNumber
   put tPlayerNumber + 1 into tPlayerNumber
   if tPlayerNumber > the number of players of me then put 1 into tPlayerNumber
   return tPlayerNumber
end NextPlayerNumber

on playStopped
   put NextPlayerNumber(the short name of the target) into tNextPlayer
   if the cpDone of player ("Player" && tNextPlayer) of me is not true then
     start player ("Player" && tNextPlayer) of me
     QueueNext
   else
     StoppedReading
   end if
end playStopped

on QueueNext
   put the cpSoundList of the target into tCurrentSoundList
   if tCurrentSoundList is not empty then
     if there is no file the first item of tCurrentSoundList then
       ReportError "Cannot find file:" && the first item of 
tCurrentSoundList, "Missing Sound File"
       set the cpDone of the target to true
     else
       lock messages
       set the filename of the target to the first item of tCurrentSoundList
       unlock messages
       delete item 1 of tCurrentSoundList
       set the cpSoundList of the target to tCurrentSoundList
     end if
   else
     set the cpDone of the target to true
   end if
end QueueNext

on SetSoundFiles pSoundFileList
   put the number of players in me into tNumPlayers

   -- split up the list among the players, interleaving the sounds
   repeat with i = 1 to the number of items in pSoundFileList
     put (i - 1) mod tNumPlayers + 1 into tPlayerNumber
     put tPlayerList[tPlayerNumber] & item i of pSoundFileList & "," into 
tPlayerList[tPlayerNumber]
   end repeat

   -- queue up the first sound file for each
   lock messages
   repeat with i = 1 to tNumPlayers
     if there is no file the first item of tPlayerList[i] then
       ReportError "Cannot find file:" && the first item of tPlayerList[i], 
"Missing Sound File"
       set the cpDone of player ("Player" && i) to true
     else
       set the filename of player ("Player" && i) to the first item of 
tPlayerList[i]
       delete the first item of tPlayerList[i]
       set the cpSoundList of player ("Player" && i) to tPlayerList[i]
       set the cpDone of player ("Player" && i) to false
     end if
   end repeat
   unlock messages
end SetSoundFiles

on StartPlaying
   start player "Player 1" of me
end StartPlaying



Peter T. Evensen
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588  



From soapdog at mac.com  Thu Mar  9 12:32:43 2006
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 14:32:43 -0300
Subject: ._ files (was: No OpenStack ..... ! Now Ending !)
In-Reply-To: <E044DAD6-2FD5-4D13-B743-74EE3FD0D918@adelphia.net>
References: <ba5feacb63108f27be597ff442184e62@wanadoo.fr>
	<7C5F0073-AF8A-11DA-8981-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<a0611040cc0360f901dd9@[141.89.100.174]>
	<E044DAD6-2FD5-4D13-B743-74EE3FD0D918@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <575EDA8E-626C-4CDF-96FC-912C1D096A26@mac.com>

Those prefixed files are created everytime you copy something from  
HFS, HFS+ partitions to some flat file partition such as CDFS, Fat32,  
Ext2... The finder creates it so that it does not lose resource fork  
information. Deleting it might endanger your app depending on how the  
app was programed. On an app that makes heavy use of the resource  
fork for storing icons, images and stuff, you can be sure that  
deleting that file will break things. The finder will also reassemble  
the files as they are moved back onto HFS/HFS+

Cheers
andre

PS: Gotta love those ADC docs...


On Mar 9, 2006, at 2:24 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> What this article doesn't say is what happens if you don't see both  
> file, then what does not 'safely ignoring' the file do? Is it  
> unsafe to delete the file in some cases?
>
> And how does the file get put back together? Does the OS know how  
> to do this?
>
>
> "The second new file has the name of the original file prefixed by  
> a "._ " and contains the resource fork of the original file. If you  
> see both files, the ._ file can be safely ignored. Sometimes when  
> deleting a file, the ._ component will not be deleted. If this  
> occurs you can safely delete the ._ file."
>
> Tom
>
> On Mar 9, 2006, at 12:03 PM, Robert Brenstein wrote:
>
>>> Francis,
>>>
>>>> One more small point. When I drop my files onto (would
>>>> you believe it ?) a Lexar JumpDrive, and move to the PC,
>>>> I find that I have twice the files I thought. I get the same
>>>> number of Alias ? files, equivalent to the files I copied.
>>>> How do I remove this problem ?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have simply ignored the files that whose names start with "._".
>>>
>>> I suspect these files contain the resource fork data -- if the  
>>> file has any.  Since Rev stacks have nothing in the resource  
>>> fork, it shouldn't be an issue...and hasn't been for moi.
>>>
>>> Rob Cozens, CCW
>>> Serendipity Software Company
>>
>>
>> For those wondering about those ._ files, here is the explanation  
>> from the "guilty" party, Apple itself:
>>
>> http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106510
>>
>> For most files, these ._ are actually empty and in case of Rev  
>> stacks safely ditched.
>>
>> Robert
>>
>
> Thomas J McGrath III
> 3mcgrath at adelphia.net
>
> Lazy River Software? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com
>
> Lazy River Metal Art? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/metal.html
>
> Meeting Wear? - http://www.cafepress.com/meetingwear
>
> Semantic Compaction Systems - http://www.minspeak.com
>
> SCIconics, LLC - http://www.sciconics.com/sciindex.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Thu Mar  9 12:33:53 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 09:33:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: No OpenStack ..... ! Now Ending !
In-Reply-To: <7C5F0073-AF8A-11DA-8981-0030657E1638@pon.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603090932150.5292-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

This is exactly the same problem I had with my students last week.  Only
neither one would open.

Judy

On Thu, 9 Mar 2006, Rob Cozens wrote:

>
> Francis,
>
> > One more small point. When I drop my files onto (would
> > you believe it ?) a Lexar JumpDrive, and move to the PC,
> > I find that I have twice the files I thought. I get the same
> > number of Alias ? files, equivalent to the files I copied.
> > How do I remove this problem ?
> >
>
> I have simply ignored the files that whose names start with "._".
>
> I suspect these files contain the resource fork data -- if the file has
> any.  Since Rev stacks have nothing in the resource fork, it shouldn't
> be an issue...and hasn't been for moi.



From aturban at qwest.net  Thu Mar  9 12:35:24 2006
From: aturban at qwest.net (Arthur Urban)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 10:35:24 -0700
Subject: RegEx Question
Message-ID: <4410675C.80300@qwest.net>

Is there a syntax for regular expressions in Rev that will allow a 
case-insensitive search? Thanx!


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Mar  9 12:37:13 2006
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 10:37:13 -0700
Subject: document icon problems on OSX
In-Reply-To: <48b4884d33148c75bc499346d110f3c3@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <20060307015756.348CA826405@mail.runrev.com>
	<48b4884d33148c75bc499346d110f3c3@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <9C91188E-A672-4BCD-A3A8-BD4D6FD351F0@byu.edu>


On Mar 8, 2006, at 7:20 PM, Terry Judd wrote:

> Not sure whether there is something peculiar with my particular Mac  
> but I don't seem to be able to get the correct icon showing on  
> documents created by my standalone (I'm using a custom creator code  
> but sticking with the RSTK filetype). No matter whether I assign a  
> custom document icon via the standalone builder or not my documents  
> invariably appear with the Rev application icon. I've checked the  
> contents of the app package and the correct icon seems to be in  
> place (RevolutionDoc.icns) but still no go. (OS 10.3.9, Rev 2.6/2.7)
>
> Any ideas?

I've had a similar problem, but with application icons on OS X. I  
launch the app, and the correct icon appears in the Dock, but the  
finder icon remains the generic application icon. I solve the problem  
by opening the Get Info window for the app, clicking the icon, and  
hitting delete. Bingo! The correct icon now appears in the Finder.  
You could try this same technique on documents created by your app  
and see if it works.

Regards,

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  9 12:45:17 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 09:45:17 -0800
Subject: RegEx Question
In-Reply-To: <4410675C.80300@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <C035A9AD.35DF1%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

(?i) -- case insensitive
(?Ui)  --Ungreedy and case insensitive
(?Usi) --Ungreedy, ignore end of line, case insensitive

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 3/9/06 9:35 AM, "Arthur Urban" <aturban at qwest.net> wrote:

> Is there a syntax for regular expressions in Rev that will allow a
> case-insensitive search? Thanx!
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Mar  9 12:45:53 2006
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 09:45:53 -0800
Subject: Player object and memory
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20060309113126.066efb48@exchange.slg.com>
Message-ID: <C035A9D1.35118%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Peter T. Evensen wrote:

> I am trying to play a sequence of MP3s.  I am using 3 interleaved players
> to speed up the transition between the sounds.  I set up the first 3 sounds
> on Player 1 - Player 3.  I then start Player 1 and when I get a playStopped
> message, I start Player 2 and set the filename for Player 1 to the next
> sound file for that player (if there is one).  Is there any memory
> management issues I need to be aware of?  My stack freezes eventually on
> XP, both as a standalone, and in the IDE.

You might try setting the fileName of each player to empty before setting
new fileNames.  I had an issue way back that was alleviated by doing this --
it might help in your situation.

Also, you might make sure that no playStopped message is being sent when
*setting* the fileName of a player.  This was a bug some time ago that
caused some frustration -- don't know if it was ever fixed, but even if it
is still present, I can't say if it would be a problem in your situation.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Thu Mar  9 12:56:37 2006
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 11:56:37 -0600
Subject: Player object and memory
In-Reply-To: <C035A9D1.35118%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060309113126.066efb48@exchange.slg.com>
	<C035A9D1.35118%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060309115529.06842b30@exchange.slg.com>

Scott,

Thanks for your input.  I'll try setting it to empty and then setting it to 
the next filename.  I was thinking part of the issue was that at one point 
I was setting the filename to empty and I thought that might be causing the 
issue.

I'm locking message before I set the filename so I don't get a playStopped 
message.  I had seen that issue before, which caused some nasty recursion 
in my other program.

At 11:45 AM 3/9/2006, you wrote:
>Recently, Peter T. Evensen wrote:
>
> > I am trying to play a sequence of MP3s.  I am using 3 interleaved players
> > to speed up the transition between the sounds.  I set up the first 3 sounds
> > on Player 1 - Player 3.  I then start Player 1 and when I get a playStopped
> > message, I start Player 2 and set the filename for Player 1 to the next
> > sound file for that player (if there is one).  Is there any memory
> > management issues I need to be aware of?  My stack freezes eventually on
> > XP, both as a standalone, and in the IDE.
>
>You might try setting the fileName of each player to empty before setting
>new fileNames.  I had an issue way back that was alleviated by doing this --
>it might help in your situation.
>
>Also, you might make sure that no playStopped message is being sent when
>*setting* the fileName of a player.  This was a bug some time ago that
>caused some frustration -- don't know if it was ever fixed, but even if it
>is still present, I can't say if it would be a problem in your situation.
>
>Regards,
>
>Scott Rossi
>Creative Director
>Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
>-----
>E: scott at tactilemedia.com
>W: http://www.tactilemedia.com
>
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>subscription preferences:
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Peter T. Evensen
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588 



From katir at hindu.org  Thu Mar  9 03:38:49 2006
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 22:38:49 -1000
Subject: OT: Linux & Revolution
Message-ID: <6A73AD09-5CC2-4EBD-B1C3-7C2BCEA48888@hindu.org>

We'll be upgrading our web server to a new box soon.   Among various  
variables is the OS on the box.

Red Hat Fedora Linux Core 3 is a high probable on the new box.

Should I anticipate any problem with the Linux version of Revolution?

Linux wizards please set me straight here off list.

Thanks!
Sivakatirswami



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  9 13:03:11 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 10:03:11 -0800
Subject: RegEx Question
In-Reply-To: <C035A9AD.35DF1%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C035ADDF.35DF6%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Pay attention that these codes ARE always case sensitive, 'Usi'


On 3/9/06 9:45 AM, "Jim Ault" <JimAultWins at yahoo.com> wrote:

> (?i) -- case insensitive
> (?Ui)  --Ungreedy and case insensitive
> (?Usi) --Ungreedy, ignore end of line, case insensitive
> 
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
> 
> On 3/9/06 9:35 AM, "Arthur Urban" <aturban at qwest.net> wrote:
> 
>> Is there a syntax for regular expressions in Rev that will allow a
>> case-insensitive search? Thanx!




From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Thu Mar  9 13:06:42 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 10:06:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [FR] [EN]Re: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <1hbxox0.fd83sq1bzmg00M%mcdomi@free.fr>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603090938440.5292-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Hmmmm...

I was going to stay out of this but inasmuch as others have stepped up to
the plate it seems it's my turn to become flamebait.

I, too, have a friend.  She's an educator (boo, hiss!).  She is lucky to
have survived three or four rounds of layoffs at her university, part of a
larger chain which has seen its funding decreased by 20% and more over the
last couple of years even as enrollement has increased.

Her department is less lucky.  The discipline has been seeing record low
enrollments nationwide, which has translated in her department's losing
something like one full-time faculty position per year for several years.

Her department's ftp server was cobbled together from parts of various
broken-down old computers.  Her computer lab is so old that, when she
agreed to allow a university photographer to photograph her class for
various promotional brochures, the photographer was sufficiently moved to
shoot IN THE DARK without the lights on and focused on a student
using the overhead because showing the lab machines themselves would have
been an embarassment for the university.  Up until a year ago those
machines had only 128 MB RAM. And her department had to go begging to
higher-ups for the money for it.

Oh, and that old ftp server? It's corrupted several of the critical files
and applications used for her class.  Well, application isn't the right
word, really.  The proper word is "demo" because the department doesn't
have the funds to buy applications such as image editors, animation
software, 3D modeling software, and sound-editing software needed for a
multimedia class.  And, so my friend has had to spend many hours crawling
the web looking for demo replacements.  And, as she tells me, it's
tough going inasmuch as her lab still runs OS 9. She doesn't get paid for
this time.  The scanner doesn't work.  It takes 5 minutes to print
a text file over the network.  Students needing to edit video or
convert from one video file format to another use the instructor's QT Pro
license.  Those wanting to use a midi keyboard or a Wacom drawing tablet
use those belonging to the instructor.

By now you have probably figured out that I am my own best friend. ;-)

And while I am not sounding the call for a dozen weepy violins, I suspect
that other educators on the list might well tell similar tales.

Judy




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Mar  9 13:14:04 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 10:14:04 -0800
Subject: ._ files
In-Reply-To: <a0611040cc0360f901dd9@[141.89.100.174]>
References: <ba5feacb63108f27be597ff442184e62@wanadoo.fr>	<7C5F0073-AF8A-11DA-8981-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<a0611040cc0360f901dd9@[141.89.100.174]>
Message-ID: <4410706C.5070700@fourthworld.com>

Robert Brenstein wrote:
> For those wondering about those ._ files, here is the explanation from 
> the "guilty" party, Apple itself:
> 
> http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106510
> 
> For most files, these ._ are actually empty and in case of Rev stacks 
> safely ditched.

So in all cases where the file has no resource fork (many Classic file, 
most OS X files, and just about all Rev stacks, MP3s, MPEGs, and more) 
it's merely a waste of time and space.

That Apple provides no option for the user to be able to decide whether 
this happens is an unfortunate design decision.

That Apple does this for files that have no resource fork is a bug.

That is, it would be a bug but another poster here already pointed out 
that no software vendor in the world 'cept RunRev ever ships anything 
with known bugs. ;)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Thu Mar  9 13:18:50 2006
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 12:18:50 -0600
Subject: Player object and memory
In-Reply-To: <C035A9D1.35118%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060309113126.066efb48@exchange.slg.com>
	<C035A9D1.35118%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060309121605.068a8828@exchange.slg.com>

Still hangs, even if I set the filename to empty.  I did this:

       lock messages
       set the filename of the target to empty
       set the filename of the target to the first item of tCurrentSoundList
       unlock messages

Is that what you had in mind?

Any other suggestions?  This is becoming a show-stopper.  I couldn't get a 
SMIL file to work over the network.  It wouldn't play all the files (it 
would skip some to keep up).

At 11:45 AM 3/9/2006, you wrote:
>Recently, Peter T. Evensen wrote:
>
> > I am trying to play a sequence of MP3s.  I am using 3 interleaved players
> > to speed up the transition between the sounds.  I set up the first 3 sounds
> > on Player 1 - Player 3.  I then start Player 1 and when I get a playStopped
> > message, I start Player 2 and set the filename for Player 1 to the next
> > sound file for that player (if there is one).  Is there any memory
> > management issues I need to be aware of?  My stack freezes eventually on
> > XP, both as a standalone, and in the IDE.
>
>You might try setting the fileName of each player to empty before setting
>new fileNames.  I had an issue way back that was alleviated by doing this --
>it might help in your situation.
>
>Also, you might make sure that no playStopped message is being sent when
>*setting* the fileName of a player.  This was a bug some time ago that
>caused some frustration -- don't know if it was ever fixed, but even if it
>is still present, I can't say if it would be a problem in your situation.
>
>Regards,
>
>Scott Rossi
>Creative Director
>Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
>-----
>E: scott at tactilemedia.com
>W: http://www.tactilemedia.com
>
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Peter T. Evensen
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588 

From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Thu Mar  9 13:34:04 2006
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 13:34:04 -0500
Subject: Dictionary in OS X
In-Reply-To: <20060309165721.575D8825D68@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060309165721.575D8825D68@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <2F4B6011-6073-47F3-A9A6-52EC331A1920@videotron.ca>

Thank you, Marty.

But I'm afraid that I don't have a folder named "share".  I tried  
"shared" but it's empty.

I'm not interested in proper nouns are the moment because I've  
already created a separate index for company names.  I may bring in  
other proper nouns later, but for the time being, I'll be looking at  
a short list of finance-related terms.

	Regards,

		Greg


On Thu, Mar 9, 2006, at 11:57 AM, use-revolution- 
request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> Look in /usr/share/dict for the lists of words.  You might be able
> to use these files for your index-checker.
>
> (As an aside, why wouldn't you want proper nouns in your index if  
> they're
> relevant to your topic?)
>
>   - marty
>



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Mar  9 13:40:08 2006
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 10:40:08 -0800
Subject: Player object and memory
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20060309121605.068a8828@exchange.slg.com>
Message-ID: <C035B688.3512E%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Peter T. Evensen wrote:

> Still hangs, even if I set the filename to empty.  I did this:
> 
>      lock messages
>      set the filename of the target to empty
>      set the filename of the target to the first item of tCurrentSoundList
>      unlock messages
> 
> Is that what you had in mind?

Yes, but really you would call it every time you change sound files (not
just the first time).  I would expect using this the first time you set a
filename would have no effect -- the code is supposed to "clear out" the
player for the *next* sound file to be played.  If your stack is hanging the
*first* time filenames are set, something else is going on.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Thu Mar  9 13:50:32 2006
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 12:50:32 -0600
Subject: Player object and memory
In-Reply-To: <C035B688.3512E%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060309121605.068a8828@exchange.slg.com>
	<C035B688.3512E%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060309124551.069b3e90@exchange.slg.com>

It hangs someplace down the line (i.e., not the first file name).

The code I have below IS used to set every filename, but it is still 
hanging.  I thought maybe the lock messages was causing a legitimate 
playStopped to be missed, so I modified it to use a custom property as a 
semaphore and it still hangs.

I tried to set the filename to empty and then send a message to the target 
in 500 milliseconds that sets the new filename, along with using the 
semaphores, and it still hangs. :(

At 12:40 PM 3/9/2006, you wrote:
>Recently, Peter T. Evensen wrote:
>
> > Still hangs, even if I set the filename to empty.  I did this:
> >
> >      lock messages
> >      set the filename of the target to empty
> >      set the filename of the target to the first item of tCurrentSoundList
> >      unlock messages
> >
> > Is that what you had in mind?
>
>Yes, but really you would call it every time you change sound files (not
>just the first time).  I would expect using this the first time you set a
>filename would have no effect -- the code is supposed to "clear out" the
>player for the *next* sound file to be played.  If your stack is hanging the
>*first* time filenames are set, something else is going on.
>
>Regards,
>
>Scott Rossi
>Creative Director
>Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
>-----
>E: scott at tactilemedia.com
>W: http://www.tactilemedia.com

Peter T. Evensen
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588 



From rjb at robelko.com  Thu Mar  9 13:49:20 2006
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 19:49:20 +0100
Subject: ._ files
In-Reply-To: <4410706C.5070700@fourthworld.com>
References: <ba5feacb63108f27be597ff442184e62@wanadoo.fr>
	<7C5F0073-AF8A-11DA-8981-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<a0611040cc0360f901dd9@[141.89.100.174]>
	<4410706C.5070700@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <a06110410c036273ab161@[141.89.100.174]>

>Robert Brenstein wrote:
>>For those wondering about those ._ files, here is the explanation 
>>from the "guilty" party, Apple itself:
>>
>>http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106510
>>
>>For most files, these ._ are actually empty and in case of Rev 
>>stacks safely ditched.
>
>So in all cases where the file has no resource fork (many Classic 
>file, most OS X files, and just about all Rev stacks, MP3s, MPEGs, 
>and more) it's merely a waste of time and space.
>
>That Apple provides no option for the user to be able to decide 
>whether this happens is an unfortunate design decision.
>
>That Apple does this for files that have no resource fork is a bug.
>
>That is, it would be a bug but another poster here already pointed 
>out that no software vendor in the world 'cept RunRev ever ships 
>anything with known bugs. ;)
>
>--
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal


Well, no, it is not exactly a bug in the way you present it. I 
simplified above (distorted the truth if you wish) saying that files 
are empty: they contain at least a single line with Finder info, like 
file type and creator, which is good enough reason to create that 
file even for files with no resource fork.

Robert


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Mar  9 14:07:35 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 11:07:35 -0800
Subject: ._ files
In-Reply-To: <a06110410c036273ab161@[141.89.100.174]>
References: <ba5feacb63108f27be597ff442184e62@wanadoo.fr>	<7C5F0073-AF8A-11DA-8981-0030657E1638@pon.net>	<a0611040cc0360f901dd9@[141.89.100.174]>	<4410706C.5070700@fourthworld.com>
	<a06110410c036273ab161@[141.89.100.174]>
Message-ID: <44107CF7.6080506@fourthworld.com>

Robert Brenstein wrote:
>> Robert Brenstein wrote:
>>> For those wondering about those ._ files, here is the explanation 
>>> from the "guilty" party, Apple itself:
>>>
>>> http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106510
>>>
>>> For most files, these ._ are actually empty and in case of Rev stacks 
>>> safely ditched.
>>
>> So in all cases where the file has no resource fork (many Classic 
>> file, most OS X files, and just about all Rev stacks, MP3s, MPEGs, and 
>> more) it's merely a waste of time and space.
>>
>> That Apple provides no option for the user to be able to decide 
>> whether this happens is an unfortunate design decision.
>>
>> That Apple does this for files that have no resource fork is a bug.
>>
>> That is, it would be a bug but another poster here already pointed out 
>> that no software vendor in the world 'cept RunRev ever ships anything 
>> with known bugs. ;)
> 
> Well, no, it is not exactly a bug in the way you present it. I 
> simplified above (distorted the truth if you wish) saying that files are 
> empty: they contain at least a single line with Finder info, like file 
> type and creator, which is good enough reason to create that file even 
> for files with no resource fork.

But many OS X apps (even some from Apple?) don't set the Finder info, 
relying on OS X's preference to determine type from the file type 
extension in the name.

But okay, it's not a bug per se.  My main point there was having fun 
with the notion that no vendor except Rev has ever shipped any software 
with known bugs. ;)  Of course there are enough examples that we needn't 
stretch to find more.

I still feel it would be useful to allow users to be in control of these 
additional files.  It makes it cumbersome to use any non-Apple Flash 
drive, work with multi-platform networks, etc.  Not allowing that 
control just makes Apple look bad, lending credence to the old lightbulb 
joke:
<http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2004-January/028106.html>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu Mar  9 14:20:30 2006
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 11:20:30 -0800
Subject: Player object and memory
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20060309121605.068a8828@exchange.slg.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060309113126.066efb48@exchange.slg.com>
	<C035A9D1.35118%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060309121605.068a8828@exchange.slg.com>
Message-ID: <66232DD8-C6CC-4E3B-AAF7-B10E0FE20E38@mangomultimedia.com>

On Mar 9, 2006, at 10:18 AM, Peter T. Evensen wrote:
>
> Any other suggestions?  This is becoming a show-stopper.  I  
> couldn't get a SMIL file to work over the network.  It wouldn't  
> play all the files (it would skip some to keep up).

You could try creating a reference movie using EnhancedQT.  It is  
similar in concept to SMIL but perhaps the performance will be  
better.  Worth a try.  Here is how you would do it:

1) Get your list of movie filepaths.
2) Create two player objects
3) Call qtNewMovie to create a new empty movie in a temp directory.   
Load this movie into player 1.
4) Loop through your list of movies.  For each movie:
	- Load into player 2
	- qtSelectAll the movieControllerID of player 2
	- qtCopy the movieControllerID of player 2
	- qtPaste the movieControllerID of player 2

Player 1 now contains references to all of the movies.  Trying  
playing this back and see if performance is any better.  Creating the  
reference movie won't necessarily be quick though.

If you just want to test the reference movie concept without writing  
the code in Rev you can do the same thing in QT Player Pro.  Just  
create a new player, open all of the sound files you want to merge  
then copy and paste them into the new player.  Save the movie  
checking the save as reference movie, NOT self-contained.  You can  
then load this movie into a player object and see how performance is.


-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems - www.bluemangolearning.com
trevor at bluemangolearning.com




From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Thu Mar  9 14:19:54 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 11:19:54 -0800
Subject: 2.7 bugs
In-Reply-To: <03E22101-F887-4B7E-B124-C67278C65AD4@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <001901c63ab6$0696e8d0$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>
	<403AED7B-CF0E-4CB5-89F4-54D56064CA12@dsl.pipex.com>
	<70ed6b130603081043t5c13d72ao67d884d9acf37bce@mail.gmail.com>
	<8C81105DF835ADF-B54-184AF@FWM-M31.sysops.aol.com>
	<03E22101-F887-4B7E-B124-C67278C65AD4@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <p06230906c0362fdd2fd3@[192.168.1.103]>

Hmmm. the only show stopping bug in 2.7 that I've seen is the 
app-fatal drag-cut-paste bug, and I know they're tracking it down. 
And I love the new features.

sqb

>
>I would much rather have 75% of the functionality with 5% bugs, than 
>100% of the functionality with 25% bugs!
>
>All the Best
>Dave
>

-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -


From martyknapp at comcast.net  Thu Mar  9 14:23:30 2006
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 11:23:30 -0800
Subject: Put data into text file on server
Message-ID: <441080B2.2080801@comcast.net>

I'm trying to put data into a text file on a server using the following:

put "test"after URL "ftp://username:password at ftp.mydomain.com/mylog.txt"

but nothing gets written to the file. The Result shows no error. Am I 
missing something obvious?


Marty Knapp


From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Thu Mar  9 14:27:41 2006
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 13:27:41 -0600
Subject: Player object and memory
In-Reply-To: <66232DD8-C6CC-4E3B-AAF7-B10E0FE20E38@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060309113126.066efb48@exchange.slg.com>
	<C035A9D1.35118%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060309121605.068a8828@exchange.slg.com>
	<66232DD8-C6CC-4E3B-AAF7-B10E0FE20E38@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060309132442.052afa50@exchange.slg.com>

I think that might take too long (especially over a network).    I'm 
playing on the order of 10-20 files in sequence to read a word problem 
sentence that has been spliced together.

I originally tried creating the number of players I'd need and setting each 
one to the appropriate filename and then playing them one after another, 
but that took too long.

I'm tempted just to create a maximum number of players (rather than 
recreating them each time) and see if I can get acceptable performance 
without hanging by setting up all the file names and then playing them in 
sequence.

At 01:20 PM 3/9/2006, you wrote:
>On Mar 9, 2006, at 10:18 AM, Peter T. Evensen wrote:
>>
>>Any other suggestions?  This is becoming a show-stopper.  I
>>couldn't get a SMIL file to work over the network.  It wouldn't
>>play all the files (it would skip some to keep up).
>
>You could try creating a reference movie using EnhancedQT.  It is
>similar in concept to SMIL but perhaps the performance will be
>better.  Worth a try.  Here is how you would do it:
>
>1) Get your list of movie filepaths.
>2) Create two player objects
>3) Call qtNewMovie to create a new empty movie in a temp directory.
>Load this movie into player 1.
>4) Loop through your list of movies.  For each movie:
>         - Load into player 2
>         - qtSelectAll the movieControllerID of player 2
>         - qtCopy the movieControllerID of player 2
>         - qtPaste the movieControllerID of player 2
>
>Player 1 now contains references to all of the movies.  Trying
>playing this back and see if performance is any better.  Creating the
>reference movie won't necessarily be quick though.

Peter T. Evensen
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588 



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Mar  9 14:31:51 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 11:31:51 -0800
Subject: Unicode Font List (Was Re: Revolution vs Visual Basic)
In-Reply-To: <4D414E36-8258-41F1-AAA6-4DBBA1ED1EA0@kenjikojima.com>
References: <C03482B1.37303%kray@sonsothunder.com>	<440F31F1.5070109@paraboliclogic.com>	<EA3C61D2-F567-4DDC-9170-ABEBC54DA35B@byu.edu>	<A7528976-999C-4A5B-A653-4CDC477B60F5@byu.edu>	<F57181AC-CE80-4211-A571-C007DC74EBB2@byu.edu>	<440F95E1.4070704@fourthworld.com>
	<4D414E36-8258-41F1-AAA6-4DBBA1ED1EA0@kenjikojima.com>
Message-ID: <441082A7.2030800@fourthworld.com>

Kenji Kojima wrote:
>>  Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
>>  Now what do we do to get a Font menu to display the font names 
>> correctly?
>>
> 
> Japanese sample:
> go url 
> "http://www.kenjikojima.com/runrev/handbook/download/jpnFontmenu.rev"

Nice work -- thanks.

Is there a way to do that for mixed Unicode encodings, so that we could 
show each font in its own language?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Thu Mar  9 14:40:53 2006
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 20:40:53 +0100
Subject: No OpenStack ..... ! Now Ending !
Message-ID: <a1e31df37f7eb5704b8176bbc3a2e14f@wanadoo.fr>

Hi to all,

and thanks for your comments about the .xxx files when
moving from Mac to PC,

I think the name of the thread has now changed to
"What the h.... are these files ?".

I more or less guessed what the files were. My problem
is not what they are for, but HOW TO STOP THEM FROM
BEING COPIED, when I move from Mac to PC. Simply
because they are a PAIN ! Sometimes I copy folders with 200
or 300 files from my Mac to my PC, and I can tell you, ignoring
these .xxx files is not as easy as it looks !

-Francis

"In the quantum world, what you see is what you get and
nothing is real. The best you can hope for is a set of delusions
that agree with one another"



From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Thu Mar  9 14:41:34 2006
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 14:41:34 -0500
Subject: The templateField Keyword
Message-ID: <20ECCA3C-CC73-4B4B-B84E-56FC5B16237F@videotron.ca>

Hello everyone,

I tried to create a field template using the templateField keyword,  
but it doesn't seem to work.  When I use the handler below, the text  
in newly created fields is Lucida Grande, but the size is 11 instead  
of 12, and the height is 14 instead of 18.  What am I doing wrong?

	Regards,

		Gregory

on openStack
   set the textFont of the templateField to "Lucida Grande"
   set the textSize of the templateField to 12
   set the fixedLineHeight of the templateField to true
   set the textHeight of the templateField to 18
end openStack


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Thu Mar  9 14:42:29 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 11:42:29 -0800
Subject: 2.7 Anomaly -- barber pole and table field inside combo box
In-Reply-To: <4D414E36-8258-41F1-AAA6-4DBBA1ED1EA0@kenjikojima.com>
References: <C03482B1.37303%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<440F31F1.5070109@paraboliclogic.com>
	<EA3C61D2-F567-4DDC-9170-ABEBC54DA35B@byu.edu>
	<A7528976-999C-4A5B-A653-4CDC477B60F5@byu.edu>
	<F57181AC-CE80-4211-A571-C007DC74EBB2@byu.edu>
	<440F95E1.4070704@fourthworld.com>
	<4D414E36-8258-41F1-AAA6-4DBBA1ED1EA0@kenjikojima.com>
Message-ID: <p06230907c03634a04d82@[192.168.1.103]>

Aha! I see this again in the Japanese Font menu just mentioned.

Sometimes combo boxes look really strange - like the field part in 
the control has huge  table-like borders plus a 'barber-pole' graphic 
behind it (usually used for progress indication). A real mess and one 
can't read the field text. Has this been reported?


sqb
-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Mar  9 14:51:54 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 11:51:54 -0800
Subject: No OpenStack ..... ! Now Ending !
In-Reply-To: <a1e31df37f7eb5704b8176bbc3a2e14f@wanadoo.fr>
References: <a1e31df37f7eb5704b8176bbc3a2e14f@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <4410875A.40908@fourthworld.com>

Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:
> and thanks for your comments about the .xxx files when
> moving from Mac to PC,
> 
> I think the name of the thread has now changed to
> "What the h.... are these files ?".
> 
> I more or less guessed what the files were. My problem
> is not what they are for, but HOW TO STOP THEM FROM
> BEING COPIED, when I move from Mac to PC. Simply
> because they are a PAIN ! Sometimes I copy folders with 200
> or 300 files from my Mac to my PC, and I can tell you, ignoring
> these .xxx files is not as easy as it looks !

<http://www.apple.com/macosx/feedback/>

Good luck.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Thu Mar  9 14:59:13 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 11:59:13 -0800
Subject: Expanded DPI images for printing -Good News (news to me 
 anyway)...
In-Reply-To: <EB701A9C-4EA0-4FA6-9BDD-55C7485E027D@adelphia.net>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603082215440.21930-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<p06230901c0357ec2ad81@[192.168.1.103]>
	<EB701A9C-4EA0-4FA6-9BDD-55C7485E027D@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <p06230908c0363696c32d@[192.168.1.103]>

I'm not sure how to set this up in a .png save from Photoshop, or if 
it's possible. I don't see any options for that in "save as" or "save 
for web".
Anyway PICTS work great - and have transparency too.

>Are we sure about this? I mean PNGs allow for a separate PPI for 
>printing and screen display. I always assumed that apps like Rev 
>used the PPI information for printing.
>
>Is this just Rev that is ignoring the other formats and just 
>focusing on the pict format? I haven't test this and would really 
>like to know what others have found.
>
>Thanks Stephen,
>
>Tom

-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Mar  9 15:00:57 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:00:57 -0600
Subject: My DreamCard doesn't start
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160603090501x6a6cf933l722274923815ce5c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <310e1d856374fcff10a2b8b7544de661@maccosm.info>	
	<440F55B6.3010304@hyperactivesw.com>
	<f73a98160603090501x6a6cf933l722274923815ce5c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44108979.6060902@hyperactivesw.com>

Kay C Lan wrote:

 > I'm looking at moving 2.7 from it's default location. Any tips on how 
to do
 > this correctly?

The easiest way is just to install the app where you want it in the 
first place. But you can move it later if you want. Version 2.7 acts a 
little differently, so if you move the app after installation you may 
have to enter your registration info again the first time you launch it. 
Other than that, there shouldn't be a problem.


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Mar  9 15:02:22 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:02:22 -0600
Subject: My DreamCard doesn't start
In-Reply-To: <3f4eadb658b95f8e06acf01de43bd9a3@maccosm.info>
References: <310e1d856374fcff10a2b8b7544de661@maccosm.info>	<440F55B6.3010304@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3f4eadb658b95f8e06acf01de43bd9a3@maccosm.info>
Message-ID: <441089CE.70608@hyperactivesw.com>

Takaaki Furukawa wrote:
> Jacqueline,
> It worked! I moved it to the top level of Applications folder and now 
> it's perfectly ok.
> Thank you. I want Revolution to be more flexible about where it is (if 
> it is called "Revolution"), though.
>

The 2.6.x Dreamcard installation relies on having all its files together 
in the same folder. If you move the application or the Player out, they 
may not work correctly. However, if you move the entire folder, it 
should work.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From wlists at fireworksmm.com  Thu Mar  9 15:04:26 2006
From: wlists at fireworksmm.com (Wally Rodriguez)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:04:26 -0500
Subject: No OpenStack ..... ! Now Ending !
In-Reply-To: <ba5feacb63108f27be597ff442184e62@wanadoo.fr>
References: <ba5feacb63108f27be597ff442184e62@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <CA02155F-7A8D-455C-BA46-5EF47D886FDF@fireworksmm.com>

When you zip the files they are joined into one file, which in my  
experience, allows them to survive the transit through the many  
routers and other pieces of gear on the internet. This file is  
usually smaller than the sum of the parts as well so there are some  
time savings involved in zipping them as well.


On Mar 8, 2006, at 4:56 PM, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:

> Thanks for the clarifications. I will zip my files now before
> transferring, although I would love to know WHY this solves
> problems.



From rcozens at pon.net  Thu Mar  9 15:05:11 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 12:05:11 -0800
Subject: Can a Handler Differentiate Between Empty & Missing Parameters?
Message-ID: <0395EAAE-AFA8-11DA-9226-0030657E1638@pon.net>

Hi All,

Given a handler such as:

	on myHandler requiredParam, at optionalParam

can myHandler differentiate between

put empty into optionalParam
myHandler requiredParam,optionalParam

and

myHandler requiredParam,

?


Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Mar  9 15:16:49 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:16:49 -0600
Subject: Dictionary in OS X
In-Reply-To: <2F4B6011-6073-47F3-A9A6-52EC331A1920@videotron.ca>
References: <20060309165721.575D8825D68@mail.runrev.com>
	<2F4B6011-6073-47F3-A9A6-52EC331A1920@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <44108D31.3070904@hyperactivesw.com>

Gregory Lypny wrote:
> Thank you, Marty.
> 
> But I'm afraid that I don't have a folder named "share".  I tried  
> "shared" but it's empty.

You do, but it is one of the hidden system files. Go to the Finder "Go" 
menu and choose "Go to folder", then type in:

/usr/share/

and there it is.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Mar  9 15:18:13 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 12:18:13 -0800
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160603090643wbc1e957qdc643fe4813bf7bf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5DE14B83-50B5-48B9-892E-45809A896205@lexicall.org>
	<f73a98160603090643wbc1e957qdc643fe4813bf7bf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <11612510659.20060309121813@ahsoftware.net>

Kay-

Thursday, March 9, 2006, 6:43:00 AM, you wrote:

> But to put it into perspective, I 'play with' trains, and I spend more
> annually on model trains than REV.

I can totally relate to this, having just come back from the Model
Train Museum in San Diego (and wandering around looking at the
switches and displays and video controllers and thinking "I could do
that in rev...").

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Mar  9 15:20:22 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:20:22 -0600
Subject: Can a Handler Differentiate Between Empty & Missing Parameters?
In-Reply-To: <0395EAAE-AFA8-11DA-9226-0030657E1638@pon.net>
Message-ID: <C035EA26.3743F%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/9/06 2:05 PM, "Rob Cozens" <rcozens at pon.net> wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> Given a handler such as:
> 
> on myHandler requiredParam, at optionalParam
> 
> can myHandler differentiate between
> 
> put empty into optionalParam
> myHandler requiredParam,optionalParam
> 
> and
> 
> myHandler requiredParam,
> 
> ?

Well, first of all you can't call a handler like:

  myHandler requiredParam,

because the trailing "," causes an error when trying to close the script.

If you provide *no* second param:

  myHandler requiredParam

Then you get an error trying to *execute* the command because
pass-by-reference parameters can't be optional.

And if you provide empty as the second param:

  myHandler requiredParam,""

You *also* get an error because the second param is not a variable, and so
it won't work with pass-by-reference parameters.

So the original question is moot...

Of course you might want to vote for Bug #741, as I suggested optional PBR
variables as an enhancement to Rev...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Mar  9 15:22:42 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 12:22:42 -0800
Subject: New MS Origami device
In-Reply-To: <95C9C13D-E82E-4612-8744-ACE489C1F846@adelphia.net>
References: <95C9C13D-E82E-4612-8744-ACE489C1F846@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <2712779475.20060309122242@ahsoftware.net>

Thomas-

Thursday, March 9, 2006, 7:29:51 AM, you wrote:

> i was wondering if Rev will jump on this OS for these new devices? Or
> if we will work out of the box?

Might be good to wait until the point release...

"It?s the Newton all over again," said Peter Gorham, an independent
analyst, referring to an early tablet device that never took off
developed by Apple Computer. "It?s what we dreaded: a letdown.
Microsoft runs the risk of putting so much into it that it doesn?t do
anything well. It is the next-stage PDA, and who knows if there is a
true consumer market for this."

http://weblogs.jupiterresearch.com/analysts/gartenberg/archives/014216.html
http://blogs.siliconvalley.com/gmsv/2006/03/_it_looks_like_.html
http://www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?a=15994&hed=Intel%E2%80%99s+Inside+Origami+PCs&sector=Regions&subsector=Americas

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Mar  9 15:28:18 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:28:18 -0600
Subject: 2.7 Anomaly -- barber pole and table field inside combo box
In-Reply-To: <p06230907c03634a04d82@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <C03482B1.37303%kray@sonsothunder.com>	<440F31F1.5070109@paraboliclogic.com>	<EA3C61D2-F567-4DDC-9170-ABEBC54DA35B@byu.edu>	<A7528976-999C-4A5B-A653-4CDC477B60F5@byu.edu>	<F57181AC-CE80-4211-A571-C007DC74EBB2@byu.edu>	<440F95E1.4070704@fourthworld.com>	<4D414E36-8258-41F1-AAA6-4DBBA1ED1EA0@kenjikojima.com>
	<p06230907c03634a04d82@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <44108FE2.7040008@hyperactivesw.com>

Stephen Barncard wrote:
> Aha! I see this again in the Japanese Font menu just mentioned.
> 
> Sometimes combo boxes look really strange - like the field part in the 
> control has huge  table-like borders plus a 'barber-pole' graphic behind 
> it (usually used for progress indication). A real mess and one can't 
> read the field text. Has this been reported?

Yes. I saw it once (and bugzillaed it), and it has come into the tech 
queue a couple of times too. One of the RR people also reports he's seen 
it. The problem is -- no one can reproduce it at will, and restarting 
the app clears the problem. If you get a recipe, do tell. I haven't been 
able to reproduce it again since it happened that one time, and I don't 
know what triggered it.

By the way, it isn't just combo boxes. I saw it in the dictionary and 
inspector.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Thu Mar  9 15:30:48 2006
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:30:48 -0600
Subject: playStarted message?
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060309143021.06b2bf90@exchange.slg.com>

It appears a player gets sent a playStarted message, is that correct?  The 
documentation does not mention this message at all (even on 2.7).

Peter T. Evensen
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588 



From davis.phil at comcast.net  Thu Mar  9 15:34:32 2006
From: davis.phil at comcast.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 12:34:32 -0800
Subject: playStarted message?
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20060309143021.06b2bf90@exchange.slg.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060309143021.06b2bf90@exchange.slg.com>
Message-ID: <44109158.5000908@comcast.net>

Yes - you're not dreaming. I discovered that too.

Phil Davis



Peter T. Evensen wrote:
> It appears a player gets sent a playStarted message, is that correct?  
> The documentation does not mention this message at all (even on 2.7).
> 
> Peter T. Evensen
> http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
> 314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  9 16:10:06 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 13:10:06 -0800
Subject: Can a Handler Differentiate Between Empty & Missing Parameters?
In-Reply-To: <C035EA26.3743F%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <C035D9AE.35E20%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

You could just go with a param list

the params
--------------------
on gotHere aa,bb,cc
  answer aa && BB && CC
  answer the params
  if the number of items in the params < 2 then
    doThis
  end if
end gotHere

gotHere "His","tie","was",1,2,3,4,"very", "loud"
------------------------------

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 3/9/06 12:20 PM, "Ken Ray" <kray at sonsothunder.com> wrote:

> On 3/9/06 2:05 PM, "Rob Cozens" <rcozens at pon.net> wrote:
>> Given a handler such as:
>> 
>> on myHandler requiredParam, at optionalParam
>> 
>> can myHandler differentiate between
>> 
>> put empty into optionalParam
>> myHandler requiredParam,optionalParam
>> 
>> and
>> 
>> myHandler requiredParam,
>> 
> 




From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Mar  9 16:14:02 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 15:14:02 -0600
Subject: MagicCarpet Users and 2.7 bugs 
In-Reply-To: <p06230906c0362fdd2fd3@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <001901c63ab6$0696e8d0$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>	<403AED7B-CF0E-4CB5-89F4-54D56064CA12@dsl.pipex.com>	<70ed6b130603081043t5c13d72ao67d884d9acf37bce@mail.gmail.com>	<8C81105DF835ADF-B54-184AF@FWM-M31.sysops.aol.com>	<03E22101-F887-4B7E-B124-C67278C65AD4@dsl.pipex.com>
	<p06230906c0362fdd2fd3@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <44109A9A.8030805@chipp.com>

For those of you who use MagicCarpet:

The only serious bug I can track down has to do with FTP and libURL. 
Turns out Rev 2.7 won't upload propertly to our FTP servers with the new 
version of libURL (MagicCarpet plugin users should be aware of this!).

That said, Dave Cragg's already got a fix (and patch) and I assume it 
will find it's way into the dot upgrade of 2.7. If you're a MagicCarpet 
user and are using 2.7, I suggest you contact Dave Cragg for the libURL 
patch.

best,

Chipp

PS For those of you who don't use MagicCarpet, you can learn more about 
it at:

www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/MagicCarpetCover/default.htm





From rjb at robelko.com  Thu Mar  9 16:21:38 2006
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 22:21:38 +0100
Subject: ._ files
In-Reply-To: <44107CF7.6080506@fourthworld.com>
References: <ba5feacb63108f27be597ff442184e62@wanadoo.fr>
	<7C5F0073-AF8A-11DA-8981-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<a0611040cc0360f901dd9@[141.89.100.174]>
	<4410706C.5070700@fourthworld.com>
	<a06110410c036273ab161@[141.89.100.174]>
	<44107CF7.6080506@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <a06110400c0364b452590@[192.168.1.101]>

>But many OS X apps (even some from Apple?) don't set the Finder 
>info, relying on OS X's preference to determine type from the file 
>type extension in the name.

Many don't but many still do. Many set both, type and suffix. :)

>I still feel it would be useful to allow users to be in control of 
>these additional files.  It makes it cumbersome to use any non-Apple 
>Flash drive, work with multi-platform networks, etc.  Not allowing 
>that control just makes Apple look bad, lending credence to the old 
>lightbulb joke:
><http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2004-January/028106.html>
>
>--
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal

Well, yes, it would be nice, but then it would create new issues tot 
ackle. One one hand, to explain to users when to say yes and when to 
say no. On the other hand, to implement it in the interface cleanly. 
Like if I copy a folder with 100 files and need this extra file for 
only 3 of the files, then what? In a way, it is simpler to just have 
the extra file and tell people that it is needed for OSX. In my mind, 
it is not that different from the mysteries of long and short 
variants of filenames in Windows.

Robert


From dave at crystalpiersw.com  Thu Mar  9 16:59:10 2006
From: dave at crystalpiersw.com (Dave Beck)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 18:59:10 -0300
Subject: 2.7 bugs
In-Reply-To: <20060309123441.D539C825D1A@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20060309205957.6C074825EAB@mail.runrev.com>


> The first of those will smooth out the handful of rough edges in 2.7 that
> have been reported, and then we'll be tackling some other areas that have
> attracted feedback for a longer period of time.  The first such point
> release is right around the corner now, so please wait patiently for a
> short while as we get that together.

Along with the "rough edges" being smoothed out I am looking forward to the
gaping chasm being filled in that is preventing me from upgrading. That
chasm would be the crashes associated with copying, pasting, and editing
text that are present in the Win XP and it seems to a lesser extend in the
Mac OS version. As long as that chasm exists it is not prudent to upgrade.

Thanks.

Dave



From rcozens at pon.net  Thu Mar  9 17:02:59 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 14:02:59 -0800
Subject: Can a Handler Differentiate Between Empty & Missing Parameters?
In-Reply-To: <C035EA26.3743F%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C035EA26.3743F%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <788829F2-AFB8-11DA-B15E-0030657E1638@pon.net>


Thanks Ken,

> If you provide *no* second param:
>
>   myHandler requiredParam
>
> Then you get an error trying to *execute* the command because
> pass-by-reference parameters can't be optional.
>

That's the issue that will probably make it necessary to change my 
approach.

Originally, I figured I could just try writing to optionalParam and 
trap for an error; ut it sounds like the engine won't let me get that 
far.

I'm glad I asked before scripting what I had in mind.

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)




From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Thu Mar  9 17:03:57 2006
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 16:03:57 -0600
Subject: Player object and memory
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20060309113126.066efb48@exchange.slg.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060309113126.066efb48@exchange.slg.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060309155830.05291280@exchange.slg.com>

I think I solved the problem.  The issue comes from starting a player in 
the playStopped handler.

I set up a group with the number of players needed to play all the sounds 
and use the handlers as below (but since I had enough players, they didn't 
need to load any new files) and it still hung up.  That indicated the start 
player in the playStopped was the culprit.

I change the playStopped to send "StartPlayer" && ("Player" && tNextPlayer) 
to me in 10 milliseconds, and I haven't been able to get it to hang.

I reduced the number of players to try interleaving them again, but setting 
up the next file in the playStopped handler would delay the message to play 
the next one, dragging out the sequence.

What I wound up with was doing a send "QueueNext" to sPlayerToSetup in 10 
milliseconds in a startPlaying handler, so I could start the next sound 
quickly, and then load the next sound safely while the current one is 
playing.  If I didn't send in 10 milliseconds in the startPlaying, it would 
still hang, but not as often.

The (QuickTime) player on Windows seems to be very timing sensitive.

At 11:31 AM 3/9/2006, you wrote:
>I am trying to play a sequence of MP3s.  I am using 3 interleaved players 
>to speed up the transition between the sounds.  I set up the first 3 
>sounds on Player 1 - Player 3.  I then start Player 1 and when I get a 
>playStopped message, I start Player 2 and set the filename for Player 1 to 
>the next sound file for that player (if there is one).  Is there any 
>memory management issues I need to be aware of?  My stack freezes 
>eventually on XP, both as a standalone, and in the IDE.
>I have a group setup to contain the players.  I originally had the code 
>attached to each player and had the same result.  I have generalized my 
>code and moved it to the group script.  My group script is the following 
>(perhaps someone can see a problem):
>
>function NextPlayerNumber pName
>   put word 2 of pName into tPlayerNumber
>   put tPlayerNumber + 1 into tPlayerNumber
>   if tPlayerNumber > the number of players of me then put 1 into 
> tPlayerNumber
>   return tPlayerNumber
>end NextPlayerNumber
>
>on playStopped
>   put NextPlayerNumber(the short name of the target) into tNextPlayer
>   if the cpDone of player ("Player" && tNextPlayer) of me is not true then
>     start player ("Player" && tNextPlayer) of me
>     QueueNext
>   else
>     StoppedReading
>   end if
>end playStopped
>
>on QueueNext
>   put the cpSoundList of the target into tCurrentSoundList
>   if tCurrentSoundList is not empty then
>     if there is no file the first item of tCurrentSoundList then
>       ReportError "Cannot find file:" && the first item of 
> tCurrentSoundList, "Missing Sound File"
>       set the cpDone of the target to true
>     else
>       lock messages
>       set the filename of the target to the first item of tCurrentSoundList
>       unlock messages
>       delete item 1 of tCurrentSoundList
>       set the cpSoundList of the target to tCurrentSoundList
>     end if
>   else
>     set the cpDone of the target to true
>   end if
>end QueueNext
>
>on SetSoundFiles pSoundFileList
>   put the number of players in me into tNumPlayers
>
>   -- split up the list among the players, interleaving the sounds
>   repeat with i = 1 to the number of items in pSoundFileList
>     put (i - 1) mod tNumPlayers + 1 into tPlayerNumber
>     put tPlayerList[tPlayerNumber] & item i of pSoundFileList & "," into 
> tPlayerList[tPlayerNumber]
>   end repeat
>
>   -- queue up the first sound file for each
>   lock messages
>   repeat with i = 1 to tNumPlayers
>     if there is no file the first item of tPlayerList[i] then
>       ReportError "Cannot find file:" && the first item of 
> tPlayerList[i], "Missing Sound File"
>       set the cpDone of player ("Player" && i) to true
>     else
>       set the filename of player ("Player" && i) to the first item of 
> tPlayerList[i]
>       delete the first item of tPlayerList[i]
>       set the cpSoundList of player ("Player" && i) to tPlayerList[i]
>       set the cpDone of player ("Player" && i) to false
>     end if
>   end repeat
>   unlock messages
>end SetSoundFiles
>
>on StartPlaying
>   start player "Player 1" of me
>end StartPlaying
>
>
>
>Peter T. Evensen
>http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
>314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588
>_______________________________________________
>use-revolution mailing list
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Peter T. Evensen
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588 



From rjb at robelko.com  Thu Mar  9 17:29:59 2006
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 23:29:59 +0100
Subject: No OpenStack ..... ! Now Ending !
In-Reply-To: <a1e31df37f7eb5704b8176bbc3a2e14f@wanadoo.fr>
References: <a1e31df37f7eb5704b8176bbc3a2e14f@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <a06110401c0365c7c3549@[192.168.1.104]>

>I more or less guessed what the files were. My problem
>is not what they are for, but HOW TO STOP THEM FROM
>BEING COPIED, when I move from Mac to PC. Simply
>because they are a PAIN ! Sometimes I copy folders with 200
>or 300 files from my Mac to my PC, and I can tell you, ignoring
>these .xxx files is not as easy as it looks !
>
>-Francis

A job for a nifty Rev plugin (or just a function) that zaps those 
files into oblivion given a folder path?

Robert


From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Thu Mar  9 19:19:49 2006
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 00:19:49 +0000
Subject: MagicCarpet Users and 2.7 bugs 
In-Reply-To: <44109A9A.8030805@chipp.com>
References: <001901c63ab6$0696e8d0$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>	<403AED7B-CF0E-4CB5-89F4-54D56064CA12@dsl.pipex.com>	<70ed6b130603081043t5c13d72ao67d884d9acf37bce@mail.gmail.com>	<8C81105DF835ADF-B54-184AF@FWM-M31.sysops.aol.com>	<03E22101-F887-4B7E-B124-C67278C65AD4@dsl.pipex.com>
	<p06230906c0362fdd2fd3@[192.168.1.103]>
	<44109A9A.8030805@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <AED86D21-B14E-4E83-9167-08F218B3A7AD@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 9 Mar 2006, at 21:14, Chipp Walters wrote:

> For those of you who use MagicCarpet:
>
> The only serious bug I can track down has to do with FTP and  
> libURL. Turns out Rev 2.7 won't upload propertly to our FTP servers  
> with the new version of libURL (MagicCarpet plugin users should be  
> aware of this!).
>
> That said, Dave Cragg's already got a fix (and patch) and I assume  
> it will find it's way into the dot upgrade of 2.7. If you're a  
> MagicCarpet user and are using 2.7, I suggest you contact Dave  
> Cragg for the libURL patch.
>

Just a word on this before you all flood me with requests. There was  
small change to the FTP routine in the libUrl version that ships with  
2.7. It was designed to get round a problem that some users had  
reported. Chipp's FTP server is the only one we know of so far to  
have a problem with the new libUrl version. So it's most likely some  
people will see an improvement with the version in 2.7, and most will  
see no change.

Below is some background to the problem, which might help you decide  
whether you are suffering from the issue Chipp mentioned. But if you  
are having FTP problems in general, please let me know, and I'll take  
a look. (If you could supply some log data by using  
libUrlSetLogField, it would help greatly.)

The background....
Under 2.6.1 (and earlier )a few users had reported a problem with  
timeouts when uploading files (usually largish ones > 100KB). The  
timeouts occurred at a stage in the FTP process immediately after the  
file had uploaded, when libUrl is waiting for a "226 completed"  
message from the server. Some people reported switching to "active"  
FTP mode helped, but this didn't work in all cases. I started  
experiencing the same problem after installing a new (and cheap) ADSL  
router. The problem also occurred when using commercial FTP client  
applications. Taking a hint from one of Fetch's "obscure settings"  
designed for problematic NAT routers, I added an extra "do nothing"  
command (NOOP) at the end of the upload and before checking for the  
"226" response. I understand that some other FTP client  
implementations employ a similar approach. This has worked in testing  
with a variety of servers. Chipp's is the first problem encountered.  
The error returned from Chipp's server is "421 Timeout (no new data  
for 900 seconds)". The 900 seconds is misleading. The message comes  
long before that. But if you see a 421 result, then you may want to  
let me know, and I can send you a temporary libUrl patch.

Cheers
Dave

  


From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  9 19:21:50 2006
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (Erik Hansen)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 16:21:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: RevCon West Pre-Announcement - Save June 16-17!
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130602211316n1a55dbc7u3715fc0205800980@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060310002150.66675.qmail@web33010.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Dan,

i am putting on a show at the RIO Theatre in
Santa Cruz for every local youth dance company
in this town. most of these turn out to be Latin
kids.
Baile Juventud is the title, tickets will be
$5.00
because i want the place to SELL OUT plus
the familes are all on budgets.

every cent i have has gone into the rent and i
will have to wait until tickets sell by April
30th. 
before there are funds for anything else.

last year your camera man said he might be able
to use a second camera. if i shoot for you
full time, could i get the veterano alumno
discount? i also edit.

the material is over my head anyway so peripheral
learning is fine. i will also be buying Arcade
and
Malte says he can hook me up with game creators
who can take my dance concept and do something
with it. 

the time has come to admit that the whole job
is way over my head and seek partners who are
REAL programmer while i focus on the dance end.

the point being that there is still a reason for
me
to attend an increasingly heavy hitting
conference
like yours.

Erik Hansen


erik at erikhansen.org    http://www.erikhansen.org

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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Thu Mar  9 20:10:00 2006
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 09:10:00 +0800
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <11612510659.20060309121813@ahsoftware.net>
References: <5DE14B83-50B5-48B9-892E-45809A896205@lexicall.org>
	<f73a98160603090643wbc1e957qdc643fe4813bf7bf@mail.gmail.com>
	<11612510659.20060309121813@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <f73a98160603091710n1873bbc3n8a2c313b10ba4cde@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/10/06, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:


> wandering around looking at the
> switches and displays and video controllers and thinking "I could do
> that in rev...


Oh yeah, one of these days I'd just love to give it a go, but I first need
to figure out how to script 25 hours into a day. Anyone got any examples I
could use, I'm trying;

convert tMyDay from short date to long date

but I still only end up with 24 hours, just not enough to do everything I
want to do in life:-)


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Thu Mar  9 21:26:57 2006
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 10:26:57 +0800
Subject: My DreamCard doesn't start
In-Reply-To: <44108979.6060902@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <310e1d856374fcff10a2b8b7544de661@maccosm.info>
	<440F55B6.3010304@hyperactivesw.com>
	<f73a98160603090501x6a6cf933l722274923815ce5c@mail.gmail.com>
	<44108979.6060902@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160603091826ke073af5wd45eb0e29dbea898@mail.gmail.com>

Kay C Lan wrote:

>
> > I'm looking at moving 2.7 from it's default location. Any tips on how
> to do
> > this correctly?


On 3/10/06, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

The easiest way is just to install the app where you want it in the
> first place.


Ah, now I see it's hidden in the 'Custom' install. Quite unusual not to have
the selection of install destination as 'it's own step.' Also, I've never
seen selection of install destination in the 'Custom' pane and further
surprised that this was all that Rev allowed you to customise.

Thanks, I'm now in the process of Installing 2.7 onto my Software HD


From martyknapp at comcast.net  Thu Mar  9 21:57:33 2006
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 18:57:33 -0800
Subject: Secure download location
Message-ID: <4410EB1D.3040705@comcast.net>

I'm wanting to set up a situation where people can download an update of 
my program via a "download update" menu script, but keep the URL from 
being known. I was tinkering with the revGoURL ftp route, but my 
username and password show up in the browser history, which is, of 
course, not good!

I've been reading the docs about all the URL stuff. I took a look at the 
Tutorials from So Smart Software and I'm getting more, not less 
confused. It seems like there's a lot of options, though the difference 
between them isn't clear to me yet. Basically I need to protect myself 
from people just downloading the software who haven't paid, but make it 
easy for those who have paid to download the latest version. Because 
it's a low-dollar item I can't afford to be manually processing stuff - 
I want my computer & web site to take care of 99% (that's why they made 
computers - right!?).

If someone can help get the twist out of my shorts, I'd appreciate it!

Thanks,
Marty Knapp


From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Thu Mar  9 22:07:36 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 19:07:36 -0800
Subject: Change image to another image in stack
In-Reply-To: <4410EB1D.3040705@comcast.net>
References: <4410EB1D.3040705@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4410ED78.3080809@paraboliclogic.com>

Rev 2.6.1

How do I change an image object on my stack to show another image that 
is also contained in the same stack?

Thanks,
-Garrett



From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Thu Mar  9 22:21:34 2006
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 19:21:34 -0800
Subject: Dictionary in OS X
In-Reply-To: <64061E1E-54E6-41D8-8EFC-CF63118898AE@videotron.ca>
References: <64061E1E-54E6-41D8-8EFC-CF63118898AE@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <8B481816-1DB2-45C4-A188-250BB543C67C@elementarysoftware.com>

Jean-Baptiste LE STANG has written an AppleScript extension  <   
http://www.lestang.org/ >  that allows a link to Apple's OSX spell  
checking engine.  It can be used with Revolution to create a spell  
checker.  I have placed an example solution in the RevOnline User  
Space under username "Scott"  - or from the message box:

  go URL "http://elementarysoftware.com/rev_demos/spellcheck_demo.rev"


On Mar 8, 2006, at 11:24 AM, Gregory Lypny wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I had read somewhere that it is possible to access some built-in  
> Mac applications, such as Dictionary, directly from the command  
> line.  Now I was wondering whether it would also be possible to  
> access those applications through Revolution.  I'm doing research  
> that involves indexing all the words in big text files.  Of course,  
> using the xTalk definition of a word as any quoted string or string  
> separated by one or more spaces leaves me with many words that are  
> not words we use in the sense of dictionary words, things like  
> acronyms, and others that aren't relevant to me because they are  
> proper nouns, such as company or product names.  So I was hoping to  
> write a script that might check whether each of the words in my  
> index exists in the dictionary.
>
> Any thoughts would be most appreciated.
>
> 	Gregory


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Thu Mar  9 22:45:49 2006
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:45:49 +0800
Subject: [FR] [EN]Re: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603090938440.5292-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <1hbxox0.fd83sq1bzmg00M%mcdomi@free.fr>
	<Pine.GSO.4.33.0603090938440.5292-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <f73a98160603091945n12c17afckbffc7896fab97360@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/10/06, Judy Perry <jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu> wrote:
>
>
> And while I am not sounding the call for a dozen weepy violins, I suspect
> that other educators on the list might well tell similar tales.


So I can only surmise that you must be happy that Media will be cheaper than
DreamCard.

For what it's worth I started with Rev Express way back when. It was free.
In many ways this turned me off Rev because what was so easy was made so
difficult by the need to work around the 10 line limit. I thought it rather
strange that Rev had entire Doc section on how to work around the 10 line
limit! During that time I spent little time scripting because I just didn't
enjoy it.

As mentioned above when Rev dropped Express and I had to 'pay' I was pretty
ticked off and sent Rev an email letting them know it. Even at free I didn't
think Rev represented value for money;-)

In the end I should be thankful to Rev for forcing me to buy the 'real'
tool. You get what you pay for. I now spend a lot of time scripting.

Many people would not buy a 'model train' considering it an expensive toy.
Some people have to do crosswords, others soduku, others can live without
either. Some people get enjoyment out of golf, other find it pointless.

Marielle wrote:

> focus on a discussion of the intrinsic quality of the
> product and customer support.
>

If programing is in your blood then the 'intrinsic' quality will be
different for everyone. Repeatedly from those who make a living out of using
Rev we read that they consider it too cheap. For those who use Rev as a
hobby, they want it a little cheaper and I think Rev has moved that way.

Plastic, die cast, or brass model train.

Media, Studio or Enterprise. Each will find their level of intrinsic value =
$$$ spent.


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Thu Mar  9 23:17:05 2006
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 12:17:05 +0800
Subject: sort of OT, CD names to iTunes
In-Reply-To: <846973A9-228E-4786-9FD2-868AE66F7F2D@conncoll.edu>
References: <9913D058-D86D-4301-A350-1C16D1C3BEC4@conncoll.edu>
	<43F85FFD.3010506@tweedly.net>
	<f73a98160603080511j52f43c1am69c1412777718cb7@mail.gmail.com>
	<846973A9-228E-4786-9FD2-868AE66F7F2D@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <f73a98160603092017p2a48a9b6pb1a2c273e2d48010@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/8/06, Charles Hartman <charles.hartman at conncoll.edu> wrote:
>
>
> As for OK vs Next in iTunes, note that if you've burned the tracks to
> CD before importing to iTunes, cmd-I (Get Info) on the CD with no
> track selected lets you fill in album-title and album-artist (and
> album-composer if there's only one) just once, leaving only track
> names and composers to be filled in.


Ah, brilliant. You learn something new every day.

Fortunately for me I've digitized and loaded into iTunes 95% of my LPs that
I want to keep, I only have a handful of CDs left to burn so thankfully this
whole process is basically over for me:-)

Currently listening to Peter Frampton - Do You Feel Like I Do, served by
iTunes on an old G4 'sawtooth' feeding wirelessly to a Roku SoundBridge
connected to my stereo at the other end of the house which is partiallially
controlled (Volume mainly) by a Rev Stack I wrote which resides on the G4
PowerBook that I'm using right now in my study:-)

The house is a rockin' so don't bother knockin':-)


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Mar  9 23:25:43 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 22:25:43 -0600
Subject: Change image to another image in stack
In-Reply-To: <4410ED78.3080809@paraboliclogic.com>
Message-ID: <C0365BE7.37490%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/9/06 9:07 PM, "Garrett Hylltun" <garrett at paraboliclogic.com> wrote:

> Rev 2.6.1
> 
> How do I change an image object on my stack to show another image that
> is also contained in the same stack?

  put <imageDesc> into <imageDesc>

for example:

  put img "Train" of card 2 of stack "mySubstack" into img "Sample"

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com





From dvk at dvkconsult.com.au  Thu Mar  9 23:45:21 2006
From: dvk at dvkconsult.com.au (David Vaughan)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:45:21 +1100
Subject: Bugs bunnies
Message-ID: <84EE896B-CA9A-4B49-AD93-D3CCC680E7BA@dvkconsult.com.au>

"I would much rather have 75% of the functionality with 5% bugs, than  
100% of the functionality with 25% bugs!"

Good thought, I thought, but what if RunRev could not target quite  
that well? What if there were 77% of the functionality with, alas, 6%  
bugs, or 55% functionality with 1% bugs? Would either of those be  
acceptable? Fortunately, I have a solution to this conundrum and  
expect soon to become very rich :-)

I propose that all interested parties complete the following simple  
exercise and send the results  to me. For every percentage of  
functionality between 50 and 100 and every bug percentage from 25 to  
0, rate each of the 1326 combinations on a desirability scale from 0  
(min) to 9 (max). From this I will be able to derive a mathematical  
function, probably polynomial, which will describe to RunRev the  
average risk profile of their user base. Oh, it is also essential  
that you define accurately for me what constitutes a percentage of  
functionality, or what is a percentage of bugs. Also, what punishment  
should we inflict if a fug or bunction is accidentally missed?

If your point is that, generally speaking, you prefer reliability to  
features then welcome to a diverse community, You may or may not find  
yourself in the tail of a Bell curve at the far end of which is a set  
of users devoted to cutting edge functionality at the cost of several  
work-arounds and in the middle of which is a large group of people  
who use the product with varying levels of delight or discomfort.  
Uncomfortable people exist at both ends of the scale, not only on the  
side you personally inhabit. This seething mass of desires and groans  
is what RunRev happily call "a market".

The weekend will be here soon; then they might like to have a  
Scotch  :-D

cheers
David

Post Script: I stripped the name of the person who originated the  
quotation above because they are undoubtedly frustrated by a problem  
which they currently are unable to get around. I am commenting on the  
problems involved in simple expressions of needs.


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Mar  9 23:46:49 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 22:46:49 -0600
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160603091710n1873bbc3n8a2c313b10ba4cde@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5DE14B83-50B5-48B9-892E-45809A896205@lexicall.org>	<f73a98160603090643wbc1e957qdc643fe4813bf7bf@mail.gmail.com>	<11612510659.20060309121813@ahsoftware.net>
	<f73a98160603091710n1873bbc3n8a2c313b10ba4cde@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <441104B9.5070005@hyperactivesw.com>

Kay C Lan wrote:

> Oh yeah, one of these days I'd just love to give it a go, but I first need
> to figure out how to script 25 hours into a day. Anyone got any examples I
> could use

I am still working on my time warp stack, which I started next year and 
plan to finish by last week.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Mar  9 23:55:21 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 22:55:21 -0600
Subject: Change image to another image in stack
In-Reply-To: <4410ED78.3080809@paraboliclogic.com>
References: <4410EB1D.3040705@comcast.net>
	<4410ED78.3080809@paraboliclogic.com>
Message-ID: <441106B9.50703@hyperactivesw.com>

Garrett Hylltun wrote:
> Rev 2.6.1
> 
> How do I change an image object on my stack to show another image that 
> is also contained in the same stack?

You'll love this, it's so...x-talky:

   put <img reference> into <other img reference>

Like this:

   put img 1 into img 2

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Fri Mar 10 00:23:26 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 21:23:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [FR] [EN]Re: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160603091945n12c17afckbffc7896fab97360@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603092111320.22031-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>



On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, Kay C Lan wrote:

> So I can only surmise that you must be happy that Media will be cheaper than
> DreamCard.

Well, yes, because I think it costs the company nothing and has the
potential to bring in a certain class of users who are now or would likely
be scared witless by something that involved diving into "scripting"
right off the bat and that didn't have a bunch of pre-builts (aka
templates).  I think it may well end up being the seductive agent for the
PowerPoint crowd and is priced accordingly.  Now they just need to get it
noticed...

This doesn't, however, mean that I am happy to see DC go away.

> For what it's worth I started with Rev Express way back when. It was free.
> In many ways this turned me off Rev because what was so easy was made so
> difficult by the need to work around the 10 line limit. I thought it rather
> strange that Rev had entire Doc section on how to work around the 10 line
> limit! During that time I spent little time scripting because I just didn't
> enjoy it.

Yes, I started back when it was MetaCard for the Mac.  Same 10-line
limitation for the free version, only a vastly uglier interface.  I still
don't understand people's unhappiness with the 10-line limited FREE
version.  I mean, I'm supremely irritated that I've spent the better part
of three days searching for a whatever-crippled Bryce demo...

I am happy to pay to the extent I can to support keeping the product (Rev)
alive and growing.  FWIW, I have purchased personal copies above and
beyond what I've been able to get the university to buy for me.

> If programing is in your blood then the 'intrinsic' quality will be
> different for everyone. Repeatedly from those who make a living out of using
> Rev we read that they consider it too cheap. For those who use Rev as a
> hobby, they want it a little cheaper and I think Rev has moved that way.
>
> Plastic, die cast, or brass model train.
>
> Media, Studio or Enterprise. Each will find their level of intrinsic value =
> $$$ spent.

Yup!

Judy



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Mar 10 00:35:28 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 21:35:28 -0800
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160603091710n1873bbc3n8a2c313b10ba4cde@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5DE14B83-50B5-48B9-892E-45809A896205@lexicall.org>
	<f73a98160603090643wbc1e957qdc643fe4813bf7bf@mail.gmail.com>
	<11612510659.20060309121813@ahsoftware.net>
	<f73a98160603091710n1873bbc3n8a2c313b10ba4cde@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4645947458.20060309213528@ahsoftware.net>

Kay-

Thursday, March 9, 2006, 5:10:00 PM, you wrote:

> convert tMyDay from short date to long date

> but I still only end up with 24 hours, just not enough to do everything I
> want to do in life:-)

convert time to money -- doesn't work either...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Mar 10 00:45:44 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 21:45:44 -0800
Subject: 2.7 Anomaly -- barber pole and table field inside combo box
In-Reply-To: <44108FE2.7040008@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C03482B1.37303%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<440F31F1.5070109@paraboliclogic.com>
	<EA3C61D2-F567-4DDC-9170-ABEBC54DA35B@byu.edu>
	<A7528976-999C-4A5B-A653-4CDC477B60F5@byu.edu>
	<F57181AC-CE80-4211-A571-C007DC74EBB2@byu.edu>
	<440F95E1.4070704@fourthworld.com>
	<4D414E36-8258-41F1-AAA6-4DBBA1ED1EA0@kenjikojima.com>
	<p06230907c03634a04d82@[192.168.1.103]>
	<44108FE2.7040008@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <8146563564.20060309214544@ahsoftware.net>

Jacque-

> Yes. I saw it once (and bugzillaed it), and it has come into the tech

I got it and BZed it as well, but I couldn't reproduce it.

-- 
 -Mark Wieder
  mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From kee at kagi.com  Fri Mar 10 01:04:35 2006
From: kee at kagi.com (kee nethery)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 22:04:35 -0800
Subject: Secure download location
In-Reply-To: <4410EB1D.3040705@comcast.net>
References: <4410EB1D.3040705@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1269F910-94FE-496A-9302-0B7AB07C6279@kagi.com>


On Mar 9, 2006, at 6:57 PM, Marty Knapp wrote:

> I'm wanting to set up a situation where people can download an  
> update of my program via a "download update" menu script, but keep  
> the URL from being known. I was tinkering with the revGoURL ftp  
> route, but my username and password show up in the browser history,  
> which is, of course, not good!
>
> I've been reading the docs about all the URL stuff. I took a look  
> at the Tutorials from So Smart Software and I'm getting more, not  
> less confused. It seems like there's a lot of options, though the  
> difference between them isn't clear to me yet. Basically I need to  
> protect myself from people just downloading the software who  
> haven't paid, but make it easy for those who have paid to download  
> the latest version. Because it's a low-dollar item I can't afford  
> to be manually processing stuff - I want my computer & web site to  
> take care of 99% (that's why they made computers - right!?).

There are two things to consider. FTP is pretty open. If you give  
someone the FTP URL, that IS the FTP URL. It is pretty difficult to  
hide that URL. So whatever you do, you have to assume that payees and  
non-payees will see the URL.

My suggestion is that you have a web page that is public that  
contains some static data. Your app would query that as it's download  
update. There would be the latest version number in plain text and  
some other data that is encrypted. Your app would decrypt the  
download data (if it is the paid version assuming there is a  
difference between paid and unpaid) and the decrypted data would have  
some obscure URL. It would go to the obscure URL to actually download  
the latest version. The unpaid version would not be able to decrypt  
the information and would thus not be able to see the obscure  
download URL. Maybe once a week, move the latest version to another  
location and alter the static file to match.

You could have the FTP server require a login with their reg code as  
either their user name or their password. I think you could add bad  
reg codes to the list on the FTP server and reject them, preventing  
them from downloading. I think you can do that in the .htaccess file  
on the FTP server.

Summary:

1. have there be a difference between paid and unpaid copies.
2. use that difference to decode a static web page that has the  
latest version URL encrypted on it.
3. use the FTP server permissions to prevent pirated reg codes from  
getting upgrades.

Kee Nethery


From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Fri Mar 10 01:16:09 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 22:16:09 -0800
Subject: Change image to another image in stack
In-Reply-To: <441106B9.50703@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4410EB1D.3040705@comcast.net>	<4410ED78.3080809@paraboliclogic.com>
	<441106B9.50703@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <441119A9.5040508@paraboliclogic.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Garrett Hylltun wrote:
>> Rev 2.6.1
>>
>> How do I change an image object on my stack to show another image that 
>> is also contained in the same stack?
> 
> You'll love this, it's so...x-talky:
> 
>   put <img reference> into <other img reference>
> 
> Like this:
> 
>   put img 1 into img 2
> 

Yeah tell me about it.  I'm sitting here trying to use "fileName" to no 
avail.  I knew it was something as simple as this!

I now hate asking questions about Rev, because I know the answer is 
going to be so damn simple that I'm going to feel like an idiot when I 
see it!  ;-)

Ken Ray, J. Landman Gay, thanks a bunch for helping me :-)
-Garrett


From scott at proherp.com  Fri Mar 10 02:05:17 2006
From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 18:05:17 +1100
Subject: Oragami
In-Reply-To: <441119A9.5040508@paraboliclogic.com>
Message-ID: <000001c64410$fe4ad380$0201010a@royalnexus>

Hi folks,

M$ have just released a virtual machine for their
Oragami hand held.  Supposedly anything that runs
on XP should run on Oragami.  The virtual machine
link is below.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=9c01c822-e6d2-4
240-9fb3-b00e8ff4fbbf&DisplayLang=en

Cheers

Scott

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From Cubist at aol.com  Fri Mar 10 05:24:52 2006
From: Cubist at aol.com (Cubist at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 05:24:52 EST
Subject: Secure download location
Message-ID: <26f.71ec216.3142adf4@aol.com>

In a message dated 3/9/06 7:08:13 PM, Marty Knapp <martyknapp at comcast.net>
writes:
>I'm wanting to set up a situation where people can download an update of
>my program via a "download update" menu script, but keep the URL from 
>being known. I was tinkering with the revGoURL ftp route, but my 
>username and password show up in the browser history, which is, of 
>course, not good!
>
>I've been reading the docs about all the URL stuff. I took a look at the
>Tutorials from So Smart Software and I'm getting more, not less 
>confused. It seems like there's a lot of options, though the difference
>between them isn't clear to me yet. Basically I need to protect myself
>from people just downloading the software who haven't paid, but make it
>easy for those who have paid to download the latest version. Because 
>it's a low-dollar item I can't afford to be manually processing stuff -
>I want my computer & web site to take care of 99% (that's why they made
>computers - right!?).
>
>If someone can help get the twist out of my shorts, I'd appreciate it!
    Forget concealing the URL. Instead, play with cookies. When a user 
installs your app, the app creates a cookie as part of the installation process. 
When Joe User surfs over to your download site, your server only lets Joe get 
there if Joe has the right cookie. Otherwise, Joe ends up at a different URL -- 
perhaps one from which he can download a trial version of your software. 


From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Fri Mar 10 06:03:28 2006
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 12:03:28 +0100
Subject: .xxx files
Message-ID: <26b224d6c449174c3c47de6030a30a67@wanadoo.fr>

Hi Robert,

Sigh ! Well I suppose that is an obvious solution
that I hadn't even thought about.

And it represents no more than five minutes of
scripting time !

Back to the drawing board ........ !

Thanks

-Francis


> I more or less guessed what the files were. My problem
> is not what they are for, but HOW TO STOP THEM FROM
> BEING COPIED, when I move from Mac to PC. Simply
> because they are a PAIN ! Sometimes I copy folders with 200
> or 300 files from my Mac to my PC, and I can tell you, ignoring
> these .xxx files is not as easy as it looks !
>
> -Francis

A job for a nifty Rev plugin (or just a function) that zaps those
files into oblivion given a folder path?





From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Fri Mar 10 09:38:50 2006
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 09:38:50 -0500
Subject: Oragami
In-Reply-To: <000001c64410$fe4ad380$0201010a@royalnexus>
References: <000001c64410$fe4ad380$0201010a@royalnexus>
Message-ID: <FF695945-6ED4-4F70-A7EB-410540F33C5A@adelphia.net>

Yeah, but did you install that! It is just a resized window for XP!

I guess the message is if t runs on XP then it will run on Oragami.  
But I seriously doubt it. They did declare that the mobile version  
was scaled down etc.

I thought this was a joke at first. Since it just took what was on my  
screen and resized the window. It didn't launch anything from with in  
an emulator but rather just framed the already running apps in a new  
window.

Tom

On Mar 10, 2006, at 2:05 AM, Scott Kane wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> M$ have just released a virtual machine for their
> Oragami hand held.  Supposedly anything that runs
> on XP should run on Oragami.  The virtual machine
> link is below.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=9c01c822- 
> e6d2-4
> 240-9fb3-b00e8ff4fbbf&DisplayLang=en
>
> Cheers
>
> Scott
>
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From JimCarwardine at OwnYourFuture-net.com  Fri Mar 10 10:09:19 2006
From: JimCarwardine at OwnYourFuture-net.com (Jim Carwardine)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:09:19 -0400
Subject: Latest Version of RunRev for Mac OS 9???
In-Reply-To: <a06110403c03398b450fd@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <C0370EDF.AF0B%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>

Here is exactly what Heather told me...

<snip>
I am not expecting to see a 2.7 Classic version of Revolution I'm afraid.
<snip>

on 3/7/06 4:09 PM, Robert Brenstein wrote:

>> Hi Dave... It's Rev 2.6.1 and you have to ask Heather directly.  It's
>> doubtful that 2.7 or later will get to OS 9... Jim
>> 
> 
> I hope you are wrong, Jim. And the RR web site states that OS9
> version is coming, whatever that means.
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From JimCarwardine at OwnYourFuture-net.com  Fri Mar 10 10:17:36 2006
From: JimCarwardine at OwnYourFuture-net.com (Jim Carwardine)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:17:36 -0400
Subject: Latest Version of RunRev for Mac OS 9???
In-Reply-To: <C381A397-1F31-497B-BE46-388B2540DCFC@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <C03710D0.AF0C%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>

Heather gave me this url:

For Mac Classic:

http://downloads.runrev.com/distributions/2.6.1/revolution.sit

Jim

on 3/8/06 2:10 PM, David Burgun wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> So was the 2.6.6 version promised, however we are still waiting for it.
> 
> 
> I agree it is important to the educational market (as well as other
> markets) which is why it blows my mind that there is no download
> available for it.
> 
> I have no intention of porting my MacOS 9 only stacks to 2.7, it's
> just not worth it, but I would like to be able to download a version
> of RunRev that works on MacOS 9 NOW, regardless of the version number!
> 
> I really can't see the point of removing a working version of RunRev
> for MacOS 9 from the website and replacing it with nothing! Surely it
> would be better to leave the existing version available and then if
> and when 2.7 comes along replace it then?
> 
> In the meantime, here I am twiddling my thumbs waiting for someone
> from RunRev to contact me and send the latest version (which I have a
> license for).
> 
> All the Best
> Dave
> 
> On 8 Mar 2006, at 17:46, Stephen Barncard wrote:
> 
>> The OS9 version was promised, and I have no doubt they will deliver
>> it. It's too  important to the educational market. I heard the
>> difficulty is that they have to use a new compiler for OS9. I think
>> they don't want a non- version 2.7 out there.
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I doubt there will be a version 2.7 for MacOS 9 either, the same
>>> was said about version 2.6.6 and that version didn't materialize.
>>> Don't understand why version 2.6.1 isn't on their web site tho?
>>> 
>>> All the Best
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> On 7 Mar 2006, at 20:09, Robert Brenstein wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> Hi Dave... It's Rev 2.6.1 and you have to ask Heather directly.
>>>>> It's
>>>>> doubtful that 2.7 or later will get to OS 9... Jim
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I hope you are wrong, Jim. And the RR web site states that OS9
>>>> version is coming, whatever that means.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>> 
>> -- 
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Mar 10 10:20:58 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 07:20:58 -0800
Subject: ._ files
In-Reply-To: <a06110400c0364b452590@[192.168.1.101]>
References: <ba5feacb63108f27be597ff442184e62@wanadoo.fr>	<7C5F0073-AF8A-11DA-8981-0030657E1638@pon.net>	<a0611040cc0360f901dd9@[141.89.100.174]>	<4410706C.5070700@fourthworld.com>	<a06110410c036273ab161@[141.89.100.174]>	<44107CF7.6080506@fourthworld.com>
	<a06110400c0364b452590@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <4411995A.1080205@fourthworld.com>

Robert Brenstein wrote:
>> But many OS X apps (even some from Apple?) don't set the Finder info, 
>> relying on OS X's preference to determine type from the file type 
>> extension in the name.
> 
> Many don't but many still do. Many set both, type and suffix. :)
> 
>> I still feel it would be useful to allow users to be in control of 
>> these additional files.  It makes it cumbersome to use any non-Apple 
>> Flash drive, work with multi-platform networks, etc.  Not allowing 
>> that control just makes Apple look bad, lending credence to the old 
>> lightbulb joke:
>> <http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2004-January/028106.html> 
> 
> Well, yes, it would be nice, but then it would create new issues tot 
> ackle. One one hand, to explain to users when to say yes and when to say 
> no. On the other hand, to implement it in the interface cleanly.

I don't see it as all that atom-splitting.  If I were appointed Resource 
File Czar I'd leave the default the way it is, and have an "Advanced" 
option in a control panel for people who want control over their Mac.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From rjb at robelko.com  Fri Mar 10 10:27:00 2006
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:27:00 +0100
Subject: Latest Version of RunRev for Mac OS 9???
In-Reply-To: <C0370EDF.AF0B%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
References: <C0370EDF.AF0B%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
Message-ID: <a06110408c0374a7e9fef@[141.89.100.174]>

I wonder what that exactly means: no 2.7.0 but 2.7.1. or 2.7.2 or no 
2.7.x at all.

If the latters, RunRev could be accused of false advertisement. I 
wonder whether that is the same offense in Scotland as it is in the 
US. Furthermore, if they were planning not to have any 2.7.x release, 
why would they remove 2.6.x?

I guess I am trying to stay optimistic and see their action in best 
possible light :)



>Here is exactly what Heather told me...
>
><snip>
>I am not expecting to see a 2.7 Classic version of Revolution I'm afraid.
><snip>
>
>on 3/7/06 4:09 PM, Robert Brenstein wrote:
>
>>>  Hi Dave... It's Rev 2.6.1 and you have to ask Heather directly.  It's
>>>  doubtful that 2.7 or later will get to OS 9... Jim
>>>
>>
>>  I hope you are wrong, Jim. And the RR web site states that OS9
>>  version is coming, whatever that means.
>  > _______________________________________________



From mvreade at earthlink.net  Fri Mar 10 10:45:07 2006
From: mvreade at earthlink.net (Mvreade)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 07:45:07 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
Message-ID: <02cd01c64459$9b8c0220$0502a8c0@MRTOSHIBA>

Hi,

I've been playing with Revolution for a few days and am VERY impressed with its capabilities and ease of use.

I do however, have a few questions and reservations, which hopefully you guys can answer.

I found it a bit buggy (using a iBook G4, 1G of memory, on OSX 10.4).  The property inspector went blank a few times, the application crashed once, the sample database query in the example solutions was updating records, demo videos weren't displaying, to mention a few.  

So the quesiton is, how good of an environment to work on is it?

And how stable are the final applications?

For users who have used Rev for databases, I was wondering what it's like to develop a system with, say, 20 tables and lots or relationships and methods?

Where would one store all the methods?

For relationships, would one just keep a VERYlong list of Database Queries?

Finally, does any one know if Runtime Revolution Ltd has any plans to have a connection to an open source, embeddable database, such as SQLite?

Thanks for your help,

Michael Reade




From JimCarwardine at OwnYourFuture-net.com  Fri Mar 10 10:57:58 2006
From: JimCarwardine at OwnYourFuture-net.com (Jim Carwardine)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:57:58 -0400
Subject: Latest Version of RunRev for Mac OS 9???
In-Reply-To: <a06110408c0374a7e9fef@[141.89.100.174]>
Message-ID: <C0371A46.AF19%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>

My guess it that developing for 2 Mac platforms is expensive for Rev when
(I suspect) that not too many Rev users are still using OS 9 or Classic.

I still am because I'm still using some very old Mac software that can't be
replaced on a Mac OSX platform - like MacProject - that has a 1989 date on
it.  I'll bet there are millions of Mac users out there as well using
ancient Macs that are frozen at OS 8 or 7.5.  Then there is this guy...
<http://aurejac.dyndns.org/> God love him.

I want Apple to stand by their promise to all third party developers years
ago when they published their Apple Mac Standards volumes - conform to these
standards and your application will always run on a Mac.  If they don't then
you and I will be stale-dated at OS 10.4.5 or whatever.

If they renege on that promise and cancel Classic it creates a huge problem
for developers who bought into it as there are still a huge number of OS 9
users out there.  After 20 years it is still good but it seems that Classic
will not be continued... Jim

on 3/10/06 11:27 AM, Robert Brenstein wrote:

> I wonder what that exactly means: no 2.7.0 but 2.7.1. or 2.7.2 or no
> 2.7.x at all.
> 
> If the latters, RunRev could be accused of false advertisement. I
> wonder whether that is the same offense in Scotland as it is in the
> US. Furthermore, if they were planning not to have any 2.7.x release,
> why would they remove 2.6.x?
> 
> I guess I am trying to stay optimistic and see their action in best
> possible light :)
> 
> 
> 
>> Here is exactly what Heather told me...
>> 
>> <snip>
>> I am not expecting to see a 2.7 Classic version of Revolution I'm afraid.
>> <snip>
>> 
>> on 3/7/06 4:09 PM, Robert Brenstein wrote:
>> 
>>>>  Hi Dave... It's Rev 2.6.1 and you have to ask Heather directly.  It's
>>>>  doubtful that 2.7 or later will get to OS 9... Jim
>>>> 
>>> 
>>>  I hope you are wrong, Jim. And the RR web site states that OS9
>>>  version is coming, whatever that means.
>>> _______________________________________________
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
> preferences:
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From livfoss at mac.com  Fri Mar 10 12:38:13 2006
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 18:38:13 +0100
Subject: Must an OSX app have an 'Edit' menu?
Message-ID: <939A185F-D546-4DAC-985E-E972C056E3B3@mac.com>

I've been asked to produce an app with no 'Edit' features on its main  
screen (editing is confined to specialised activities in other stacks  
that are not normally visible), and as such the 'Edit' menu is  
redundant. However, this may be against the HIG, and anyway the RR  
docs say

> The Edit menu and the "Preferences" menu item
> On OS X systems, the "Preferences" menu item is also normally  
> placed in the
> Application menu. To accommodate this user-interface standard,  
> Revolution removes the
> last two menu items of the Edit menu when a standalone application  
> is running on an OS
> X system. Therefore, the last menu item in your Edit menu button  
> should be
> "Preferences". The menu item above it should be a divider line (a  
> dash).
> Note:  The Preferences menu item is treated in this special way  
> only if its name starts
> with the string "Preferences".

Well, I need a 'Preferences' item, so am I doomed to have an 'Edit'  
menu on OSX? Anyone know a way around this?

TIA

Graham


----------------------------------------
Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Fri Mar 10 12:38:25 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 09:38:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Latest Version of RunRev for Mac OS 9???
In-Reply-To: <C0371A46.AF19%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603100935080.4517-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

My department's FrankenLab is still running OS 9. Until a year ago it was
because the machines only had 128 MB RAM, however, now it seems we're
fated to run OS 9 in perpetuity because one of our courses uses some
obscure and ancient software that apparently can't be found running on any
newer OSs.

:-(

Judy

On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, Jim Carwardine wrote:

> My guess it that developing for 2 Mac platforms is expensive for Rev when
> (I suspect) that not too many Rev users are still using OS 9 or Classic.
>
> I still am because I'm still using some very old Mac software that can't be
> replaced on a Mac OSX platform - like MacProject - that has a 1989 date on
> it.  I'll bet there are millions of Mac users out there as well using
> ancient Macs that are frozen at OS 8 or 7.5.  Then there is this guy...
> <http://aurejac.dyndns.org/> God love him.




From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Fri Mar 10 12:40:31 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 09:40:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <02cd01c64459$9b8c0220$0502a8c0@MRTOSHIBA>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603100938510.4517-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Michael,

For the videos, did you check the box when installing rev to install the
necessary enSharpen codec?

Hopefully others can answer your other questions.

Judy




From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Mar 10 12:54:42 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 18:54:42 +0100
Subject: Must an OSX app have an 'Edit' menu?
In-Reply-To: <939A185F-D546-4DAC-985E-E972C056E3B3@mac.com>
References: <939A185F-D546-4DAC-985E-E972C056E3B3@mac.com>
Message-ID: <9F3B2550-16D4-4B06-8C50-FEBBC3F5067C@major-k.de>

Hi Graham,

> I've been asked to produce an app with no 'Edit' features on its  
> main screen (editing is confined to specialised activities in other  
> stacks that are not normally visible), and as such the 'Edit' menu  
> is redundant. However, this may be against the HIG, and anyway the  
> RR docs say
>
>> The Edit menu and the "Preferences" menu item
>> On OS X systems, the "Preferences" menu item is also normally  
>> placed in the
>> Application menu. To accommodate this user-interface standard,  
>> Revolution removes the
>> last two menu items of the Edit menu when a standalone application  
>> is running on an OS
>> X system. Therefore, the last menu item in your Edit menu button  
>> should be
>> "Preferences". The menu item above it should be a divider line (a  
>> dash).
>> Note:  The Preferences menu item is treated in this special way  
>> only if its name starts
>> with the string "Preferences".
>
> Well, I need a 'Preferences' item, so am I doomed to have an 'Edit'  
> menu on OSX?

I am afraid yes :-/
See also bug nr. 818

> Anyone know a way around this?

The only way to work around this is to have a disabled menuitems in  
that menu,
that's the way I do it:

(Cu&t/X
(&Copy/C
(&Paste/V
(Clear
-
Preferences

> TIA
>
> Graham
>
> ----------------------------------------
> Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Mar 10 13:17:54 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 12:17:54 -0600
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <02cd01c64459$9b8c0220$0502a8c0@MRTOSHIBA>
References: <02cd01c64459$9b8c0220$0502a8c0@MRTOSHIBA>
Message-ID: <4411C2D2.60803@chipp.com>

Mvreade wrote:

> So the quesiton is, how good of an environment to work on is it?

The version you are probably using, 2.7, is only recently released and 
as such still has some fixes to go through. Many of us are still on 
2.6.1 waiting for the next dot release to switch over.
> 
> And how stable are the final applications?

I've not had any problems with final apps and we've created quite a few.
www.altuit.com

> 
> For users who have used Rev for databases, I was wondering what it's
> like to develop a system with, say, 20 tables and lots or
> relationships and methods?
> 
> Where would one store all the methods?

You can use Trevor Devore's excellent (and free!) libDatabase at:
http://www.mangomultimedia.com/developer/revolution/

to help you with your functions and handlers.

> 
> For relationships, would one just keep a VERYlong list of Database
> Queries?
> 
> Finally, does any one know if Runtime Revolution Ltd has any plans to
> have a connection to an open source, embeddable database, such as
> SQLite?

We sell an a Rev DB SQLite connector which also has a great overall Rev 
DB tutorial...takes 5 minutes. You can check it out at:

http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altSQLiteCover/default.htm

best,

Chipp Walters



From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Fri Mar 10 13:37:54 2006
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9.Bisseret?=)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:37:54 +0100
Subject: copy from a locked, focusable fld under Windows
Message-ID: <FC9C1DC7-B064-11DA-BD75-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>

Hi !
I have fields that are set to "lock text", "focusable" and "auto hilite 
text".
I want that users be able to select a part of text and to copy it in 
order to paste it elsewhere (for ex. in a Word document).

All works well with Mac :
1 - draging or (clicking at the beginning of the text and  
shift-clicking at the end) >  the text is selected
2 then,  "Copy" in the "Edit" menu, or "Apple C" put the text into the 
clipboard.

With Windows system, friends who are testing my app.  report that Ctrl 
C does not work.

I tried a button "bCopy" ( do the name of me) with the following 
handler in the stack script :
on bCopy
   if there is no selection then
    answer "Nothing selected"
    exit bCopy
  else
    copy the selectedText
    answer "Your selected text is in the clipboard"
    end if
end bCopy

It works well on Mac but not on Windows.

Any idea to get it on Windows

Thanks a lot in advance

Best regards from Grenoble
Andr?








From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Mar 10 13:52:21 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 10:52:21 -0800
Subject: folder permissions on Win?
Message-ID: <4411CAE5.9010802@fourthworld.com>

On OS X it's easy to set up a truly limited user account, but on Windows 
when I set an account to "Limited" I can still access just about every 
folder on the drive. As far as I can tell the only limitation on a 
"Limited" account is the inability to create other accounts, but since 
those accounts are not limited in any other way it's not much of a 
limitation at all.

This raises two questions:

1. How can I set up an account which prevents access to the Program 
Files directory?

2. Should I file a bug report with Microsoft to let them know that 
"limited" accounts are not really limited?

I wouldn't mind being wrong on this one if someone can point the way to 
creating an account which doesn't let the "limited" user destroy 
everything on my system.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From troy_lists at rpsystems.net  Fri Mar 10 14:03:23 2006
From: troy_lists at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 14:03:23 -0500
Subject: Mac OSX, Spotlight, and Rev
Message-ID: <429A66B6-B58A-4325-8651-5FDA984F8FF7@rpsystems.net>

(Hi again, everyone.)

Some time back, I seem to recall reading that Revolution had some  
form of Spotlight integration under OSX. Can anyone point me to some  
information about this? Or just tell me I remember wrongly?

Thanks.
--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Mar 10 14:15:49 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:15:49 -0600
Subject: Change image to another image in stack
In-Reply-To: <441119A9.5040508@paraboliclogic.com>
References: <4410EB1D.3040705@comcast.net>	<4410ED78.3080809@paraboliclogic.com>	<441106B9.50703@hyperactivesw.com>
	<441119A9.5040508@paraboliclogic.com>
Message-ID: <4411D065.2070101@hyperactivesw.com>

Garrett Hylltun wrote:

> I now hate asking questions about Rev, because I know the answer is 
> going to be so damn simple that I'm going to feel like an idiot when I 
> see it!  ;-)

I know you're joking, but please don't feel stupid and do keep asking 
questions, no matter how simple you think they may be. I've said this 
before but it bears repeating: for every question someone asks, there 
are ten shy people out there who want to know but haven't had the 
courage. This list gets very esoteric sometimes. I really welcome the 
newcomer questions, because there are so many others on this list who 
can benefit from them.

Your questions are a blessing to this list. Please carry on, and be as 
stupid as you like. :)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Mar 10 14:30:32 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:30:32 -0800
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <441104B9.5070005@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <5DE14B83-50B5-48B9-892E-45809A896205@lexicall.org>
	<f73a98160603090643wbc1e957qdc643fe4813bf7bf@mail.gmail.com>
	<11612510659.20060309121813@ahsoftware.net>
	<f73a98160603091710n1873bbc3n8a2c313b10ba4cde@mail.gmail.com>
	<441104B9.5070005@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <15611470513.20060310113032@ahsoftware.net>

Jacque-

> I am still working on my time warp stack, which I started next year and
> plan to finish by last week.

I'm going to be out of town last week. If you finish by week before
last then I'll be in good shape.

-- 
 -Mark Wieder
  mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From soapdog at mac.com  Fri Mar 10 15:16:37 2006
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 17:16:37 -0300
Subject: Mac OSX, Spotlight, and Rev
In-Reply-To: <429A66B6-B58A-4325-8651-5FDA984F8FF7@rpsystems.net>
References: <429A66B6-B58A-4325-8651-5FDA984F8FF7@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <84C6E023-DA45-4E89-B37F-7EC373A8F36F@mac.com>

Troy,

you can access all spotlight query features using the shell() command  
and calling mdfind command.

Revolution 2.6 has a spotlight importer that will index our scripts  
but I really don't know if it is present on 2.7

Cheers
andre

On Mar 10, 2006, at 4:03 PM, Troy Rollins wrote:

> (Hi again, everyone.)
>
> Some time back, I seem to recall reading that Revolution had some  
> form of Spotlight integration under OSX. Can anyone point me to  
> some information about this? Or just tell me I remember wrongly?
>
> Thanks.
> --
> Troy
> RPSystems, Ltd.
> http://www.rpsystems.net
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From jonathandlynch at gmail.com  Fri Mar 10 15:47:20 2006
From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (Jonathan Lynch)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:47:20 -0500
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <4411C2D2.60803@chipp.com>
References: <02cd01c64459$9b8c0220$0502a8c0@MRTOSHIBA>
	<4411C2D2.60803@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <31e1938c0603101247t4763d3b9k914838526791fc01@mail.gmail.com>

One thing to bear in mind as well...

It is not just the program, it is the support you get from this group - far
better and more creative than any simple help desk a company could ever
provide.

If you need to find a solution using RunRev, and the path to pursue is not
apparent, you can seek help on this group and will probably get excellent
replies in just a few minutes.


From jonathandlynch at gmail.com  Fri Mar 10 15:48:51 2006
From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (Jonathan Lynch)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:48:51 -0500
Subject: copy from a locked, focusable fld under Windows
In-Reply-To: <FC9C1DC7-B064-11DA-BD75-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>
References: <FC9C1DC7-B064-11DA-BD75-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <31e1938c0603101248q145c3998n7d9b90830de4d43@mail.gmail.com>

Sometimes, trying to copy from RunRev on windows does not work.

In Task Mage I intercept ctrl C and tell it to do what I want.


From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Fri Mar 10 16:17:01 2006
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 22:17:01 +0100
Subject: copy from a locked, focusable fld under Windows
Message-ID: <4411ECCD.1060606@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

On Fri Mar 10, 2006, Andr?.Bisseret Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr wrote:

> Hi !
> I have fields that are set to "lock text", "focusable" and "auto hilite
> text".
> I want that users be able to select a part of text and to copy it in
> order to paste it elsewhere (for ex. in a Word document).
>
> (snip)
>
> It works well on Mac but not on Windows.
>
> Any idea to get it on Windows
>
> Thanks a lot in advance
>
> Best regards from Grenoble
> Andr?



Hi Andr?,

It works for me here on Windows (XP) with engine version 2.6.1, but 
somewhat differently in the Metacard and Revolution IDEs.

In the Metacard IDE CTRL-c and CTRL-V for copying and pasting work 
without problems (with "locktext", "Autohilite", and "Traversal On" 
checked; "Traversal On" is the equivalent of "focusable" in Rev.)

In the Revolution IDE CTRL-C indeed does not work (with the same field 
and stack), but I could copy the mouse-selected text from the menubar.

This would pose a problem in Rev if your application is a standalone.

The stack I tested is my documentation search stack 
"SearchdocsXML_2.6.1" which you are already acquainted with as you had a 
look at it while you were experimenting with search strategies some time 
ago (page "Tools and Samples for Development" of my website 
<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>).

Kind regards,

Wilhelm Sanke




From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Fri Mar 10 16:33:37 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:33:37 -0800
Subject: runrev for CRM
In-Reply-To: <fc.007582c0008f68ac007582c0008ee65b.8f68c8@jamestown.wnyric.org>
References: <fc.007582c0008ee65b007582c0008ee65b.8ee68b@jamestown.wnyric.org>
	<70ed6b130603081037g18d7a81an90aada84a2c208eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<fc.007582c0008f68ac007582c0008ee65b.8f68c8@jamestown.wnyric.org>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603101333h172b30f1n22fbc4c3d5c6c7c4@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, that would certainly be doable. My guess is that lots of people here
have rolled their own pieces of this kind of solution. But Rev is a very
good choice of a tool to do what you want for sure.

On 3/8/06, Thom Wright <twright at jamestown.wnyric.org> wrote:
>
> Sorry for the confusion,  looking for a customer relationship management
> program kind of like ACT goldmine, now up to date, daylite, etc.  but it
> doesn't need to manage sales and billable accounts.   want something to
> manage specifics, appt dates,
> link to word files, give a history of activities. be customizeable.
>
> would something like that be doable.
>
> thanks for your time,
>
>
> Thom Wright
> School Counselor
> Jefferson Middle School
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author
http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
>From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html


From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Fri Mar 10 16:43:15 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:43:15 -0800
Subject: Revolution vs Visual Basic
In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e0603081149g43ce5dc6ge9f8a897694e37ed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9f20020603052243w28dec86bn1b00ba0fbb017319@mail.gmail.com>
	<70ed6b130603081056o103b9456n598ca0f40b197642@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b408d8e0603081149g43ce5dc6ge9f8a897694e37ed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603101343s596c3685ga9fa6bb23b2423a0@mail.gmail.com>

Just by way of explanation....

I was responding to the specific user's specific question. If you come from
a high comfort level in VB and you are building Windows-only apps, then the
result is likely as I describe. For anyone whose situation does not fit that
profile, my comment is less applicable or even totally wrong and irrelevant.

On 3/8/06, Mikey <mikeythek at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > A lot of what you are looking for in Rev isn't built in but as others
> have
> > shown in their answers here, creating the functionality in Rev is close
> to
> > trivial. But the programming paradigm in Revolution with its Transcript
> > xTalk language is so substantially different from the approaches taken
> by VB
> > that twisting your head around it may prove challenging. That challenge
> is
> > definitely worthwhile if you plan to create cross-platform software but
> if
> > you don't, I'm not sure it's worth it.
>
> I would tend to agree with and disagree with this statement at the
> same time.
>

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author
http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
>From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html


From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Fri Mar 10 16:45:11 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:45:11 -0800
Subject: Revolution vs Visual Basic
In-Reply-To: <440F859A.5010104@howsoft.com>
References: <440F859A.5010104@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603101345i5879564doc3c380c1c8077e2f@mail.gmail.com>

There is also a wonderful InstallGadget Rev app that wraps the INNO
installer nicely. Available from Sweat Technologies:
http://www.sweattechnologies.com/InstallGadget/

On 3/8/06, Bob Warren <bobwarren at howsoft.com> wrote:
>
> Haitham wrote:
>
> >Question (6):
>
> >When we want to produce the program (or application) that is created by
> >Revolution, we can produce it as EXE file (in windows). But what if we
> >need to make some kind of Installation or Setup? Can we do it?
>
> >What about if the users want to uninstall our program (or software)?
> >Can they?
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> For a demo INNO setup of a Rev standalone, navigate to:-
>
> http://www.howsoft.com/runrev/downloads/
>
> - and download the file:
>
> Picture Chooser Widget for Windows XP or 2000_setup.exe
>
> It includes an uninstall.
>
> Cheers,
> Bob Warren
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
>From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html


From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Fri Mar 10 16:48:19 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:48:19 -0800
Subject: Revolution vs Visual Basic
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160603090615o4ec9a694tb9e8f3d43fdd5b9d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9f20020603052243w28dec86bn1b00ba0fbb017319@mail.gmail.com>
	<70ed6b130603081056o103b9456n598ca0f40b197642@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b408d8e0603081149g43ce5dc6ge9f8a897694e37ed@mail.gmail.com>
	<f73a98160603090615o4ec9a694tb9e8f3d43fdd5b9d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603101348t7d4a5eefhe3104c04cdddec05@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for sharing that delightful story, Kay. I'm sure it resonates with a
LOT of us.

On 3/9/06, Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com> wrote:


--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author
http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
>From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html


From simplsol at aol.com  Fri Mar 10 16:49:33 2006
From: simplsol at aol.com (simplsol at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:49:33 -0500
Subject: runrev for CRM
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603101333h172b30f1n22fbc4c3d5c6c7c4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fc.007582c0008ee65b007582c0008ee65b.8ee68b@jamestown.wnyric.org>	<70ed6b130603081037g18d7a81an90aada84a2c208eb@mail.gmail.com>	<fc.007582c0008f68ac007582c0008ee65b.8f68c8@jamestown.wnyric.org>
	<70ed6b130603101333h172b30f1n22fbc4c3d5c6c7c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8C812A3A710829C-10E0-5248@FWM-M12.sysops.aol.com>

Thom,
  A CRM can be something as simple as a Rolodex-style card file or a 
module in a fully integrated business system. We have done both. Rev 
works well for either. Simple CRMs are done quite easily and will not 
excessively challenge the skills of most Rev beginners. More 
complicated CRMs are more work, almost "real programming", and require 
more time, effort, commitment, and skill. One of the biggest advantages 
of Rev (and all Xcards) is that you can "work backwards": build the 
interface first, then write the scripts to support that interface - in 
my experience this will take about 1/10 th the time required to build 
it the traditional way. An additional advantage is the modular nature 
of things you build with Rev - it is usually easy to fix bugs, add 
features or enhance the product after it is completed. You can begin 
with something very basic and grow it as you needs and budget 
require/permit.
  To answer your question specifically: this is not only "doable" in 
Rev, Rev is probably the best means of doing it.
 Paul Looney

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Dan Shafer <revolutionary.dan at gmail.com>
 To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
 Sent: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:33:37 -0800
 Subject: Re: runrev for CRM

  Yes, that would certainly be doable. My guess is that lots of people 
here
  have rolled their own pieces of this kind of solution. But Rev is a 
very
 good choice of a tool to do what you want for sure.

 On 3/8/06, Thom Wright <twright at jamestown.wnyric.org> wrote:
 >
  > Sorry for the confusion, looking for a customer relationship 
management
  > program kind of like ACT goldmine, now up to date, daylite, etc. but 
it
 > doesn't need to manage sales and billable accounts. want something to
 > manage specifics, appt dates,
 > link to word files, give a history of activities. be customizeable.
 >
 > would something like that be doable.
 >
 > thanks for your time,
 >
 >
 > Thom Wright
 > School Counselor
 > Jefferson Middle School
 >
 > _______________________________________________
 > use-revolution mailing list
 > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
 > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
 > subscription preferences:
 > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
 >



 --
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author
 http://www.shafermedia.com
 Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
 >From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html
 _______________________________________________
 use-revolution mailing list
 use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
  Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
subscription
 preferences:
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From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Fri Mar 10 16:52:40 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:52:40 -0800
Subject: Put data into text file on server
In-Reply-To: <441080B2.2080801@comcast.net>
References: <441080B2.2080801@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603101352i7dcf2f99y6092ac6e2112018a@mail.gmail.com>

I don't think you can use FTP for this purpose. FTP wants to transfer a file
from point A to point B.



On 3/9/06, Marty Knapp <martyknapp at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I'm trying to put data into a text file on a server using the following:
>
> put "test"after URL "ftp://username:password at ftp.mydomain.com/mylog.txt"
>
> but nothing gets written to the file. The Result shows no error. Am I
> missing something obvious?
>
>
> Marty Knapp
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Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
>From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html


From troy_lists at rpsystems.net  Fri Mar 10 17:15:22 2006
From: troy_lists at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 17:15:22 -0500
Subject: Mac OSX, Spotlight, and Rev
In-Reply-To: <84C6E023-DA45-4E89-B37F-7EC373A8F36F@mac.com>
References: <429A66B6-B58A-4325-8651-5FDA984F8FF7@rpsystems.net>
	<84C6E023-DA45-4E89-B37F-7EC373A8F36F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4B09EEC5-2101-4A9C-9FCF-E06ED5491337@rpsystems.net>


On Mar 10, 2006, at 3:16 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> you can access all spotlight query features using the shell()  
> command and calling mdfind command.
>
> Revolution 2.6 has a spotlight importer that will index our scripts  
> but I really don't know if it is present on 2.7

Hmm. So, if we wanted to make our own content indexable, this doesn't  
have much to do with that, huh? I was hoping there was some way to  
support indexing data stacks and the like.
--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net




From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 10 17:17:09 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 14:17:09 -0800
Subject: Put data into text file on server
In-Reply-To: <441080B2.2080801@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <C0373AE5.35EEC%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Suggest that you set up the log to a field using

libURLSetLogField longFieldDescriptor

Worked for me, but I only used it a few times for very small files.

'after' should work, since the mechanism used by Rev is that the file is
downloaded to you first, appended, then uploaded.

Dave Cragg made some suggestions about a month ago on this list, and he is
the guy who really knows this stuff.  Search the archives for his post and
perhaps solve your problem.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 3/9/06 11:23 AM, "Marty Knapp" <martyknapp at comcast.net> wrote:

> I'm trying to put data into a text file on a server using the following:
> 
> put "test"after URL "ftp://username:password at ftp.mydomain.com/mylog.txt"
> 
> but nothing gets written to the file. The Result shows no error. Am I
> missing something obvious?
> 
> 
> Marty Knapp




From soapdog at mac.com  Fri Mar 10 17:20:48 2006
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:20:48 -0300
Subject: Mac OSX, Spotlight, and Rev
In-Reply-To: <4B09EEC5-2101-4A9C-9FCF-E06ED5491337@rpsystems.net>
References: <429A66B6-B58A-4325-8651-5FDA984F8FF7@rpsystems.net>
	<84C6E023-DA45-4E89-B37F-7EC373A8F36F@mac.com>
	<4B09EEC5-2101-4A9C-9FCF-E06ED5491337@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <A2856C44-00D9-431F-A0A5-C4050E606EA0@mac.com>

Troy,

you can use applescript to set the text that is used to index you  
content...

I really think there were something along the lines of a property  
called spotlighttext in Rev 2.6 that you could set and then it would  
be indexed using finder.mdimport... but I am quoting from memory and  
I might had dreamed it.

Cheers
andre

On Mar 10, 2006, at 7:15 PM, Troy Rollins wrote:

>
> On Mar 10, 2006, at 3:16 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>
>> you can access all spotlight query features using the shell()  
>> command and calling mdfind command.
>>
>> Revolution 2.6 has a spotlight importer that will index our  
>> scripts but I really don't know if it is present on 2.7
>
> Hmm. So, if we wanted to make our own content indexable, this  
> doesn't have much to do with that, huh? I was hoping there was some  
> way to support indexing data stacks and the like.
> --
> Troy
> RPSystems, Ltd.
> http://www.rpsystems.net
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 10 17:21:29 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 14:21:29 -0800
Subject: copy from a locked, focusable fld under Windows
In-Reply-To: <FC9C1DC7-B064-11DA-BD75-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <C0373BE9.35EF0%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>




On 3/10/06 10:37 AM, "Andr?.Bisseret" <Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr> wrote:

> Hi !
> I have fields that are set to "lock text", "focusable" and "auto hilite
> text".
> I want that users be able to select a part of text and to copy it in
> order to paste it elsewhere (for ex. in a Word document).
> 
> All works well with Mac :
> 1 - draging or (clicking at the beginning of the text and
> shift-clicking at the end) >  the text is selected
> 2 then,  "Copy" in the "Edit" menu, or "Apple C" put the text into the
> clipboard.
> 
> With Windows system, friends who are testing my app.  report that Ctrl
> C does not work.
> 
> I tried a button "bCopy" ( do the name of me) with the following
> handler in the stack script :
> on bCopy
>    if there is no selection then
>     answer "Nothing selected"
>     exit bCopy
>   else
>     copy the selectedText
>     answer "Your selected text is in the clipboard"
>     end if
> end bCopy
> 
> It works well on Mac but not on Windows.
> 
> Any idea to get it on Windows
> 
> Thanks a lot in advance
> 
The work around I used a couple months ago was to let the Windows user click
the field which put the text in an unlocked field.  Definitely not a
standard interface, but the text was small values rather than paragraphs, so
the client actually liked the way it worked.  A refinement was that he could
click on successive terms/values and they would concatenate in the temp
field and could be copied in one step.

If you find a good solution, I would be interested.  My next client app will
likely need the feature you are describing.


Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Fri Mar 10 17:21:56 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 14:21:56 -0800
Subject: Secure download location
In-Reply-To: <4410EB1D.3040705@comcast.net>
References: <4410EB1D.3040705@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603101421g75e57e92j57a541f08025b03c@mail.gmail.com>

Think about building this functionality on Altuit's Magic Carpet.
http://www.altuit.com

On 3/9/06, Marty Knapp <martyknapp at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I'm wanting to set up a situation where people can download an update of
> my program via a "download update" menu script, but keep the URL from
> being known. I was tinkering with the revGoURL ftp route, but my
> username and password show up in the browser history, which is, of
> course, not good!
>
> I've been reading the docs about all the URL stuff. I took a look at the
> Tutorials from So Smart Software and I'm getting more, not less
> confused. It seems like there's a lot of options, though the difference
> between them isn't clear to me yet. Basically I need to protect myself
> from people just downloading the software who haven't paid, but make it
> easy for those who have paid to download the latest version. Because
> it's a low-dollar item I can't afford to be manually processing stuff -
> I want my computer & web site to take care of 99% (that's why they made
> computers - right!?).
>
> If someone can help get the twist out of my shorts, I'd appreciate it!
>
> Thanks,
> Marty Knapp
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Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
>From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Mar 10 17:23:19 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 08:23:19 +1000
Subject: Mac OSX, Spotlight, and Rev
In-Reply-To: <4B09EEC5-2101-4A9C-9FCF-E06ED5491337@rpsystems.net>
References: <429A66B6-B58A-4325-8651-5FDA984F8FF7@rpsystems.net>
	<84C6E023-DA45-4E89-B37F-7EC373A8F36F@mac.com>
	<4B09EEC5-2101-4A9C-9FCF-E06ED5491337@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603101423w64ffc17bj5f2c2f2caa74a526@mail.gmail.com>

> > Revolution 2.6 has a spotlight importer that will index our scripts
> > but I really don't know if it is present on 2.7
>
> Hmm. So, if we wanted to make our own content indexable, this doesn't
> have much to do with that, huh? I was hoping there was some way to
> support indexing data stacks and the like.

Rev stacks since 2.6.1 (I think) have been indexed by Spotlight, but I
think it only indexes the scripts and not the fields. It may index
custom properties, so if your data is stored there, you can test that.

Cheers,
Sarah


From martyknapp at comcast.net  Fri Mar 10 17:32:10 2006
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 14:32:10 -0800
Subject: Put data into text file on server
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603101352i7dcf2f99y6092ac6e2112018a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <441080B2.2080801@comcast.net>
	<70ed6b130603101352i7dcf2f99y6092ac6e2112018a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4411FE6A.5090407@comcast.net>

Thanks Dan,

That make total sense. Not sure why that didn't occur to me! Jim Ault 
had a suggestion to check Dave Cragg's post on this  - I'll see what I 
can find.

Marty Knapp
> I don't think you can use FTP for this purpose. FTP wants to transfer a file
> from point A to point B.
>
>
>
> On 3/9/06, Marty Knapp <martyknapp at comcast.net> wrote:
>   
>> I'm trying to put data into a text file on a server using the following:
>>
>> put "test"after URL "ftp://username:password at ftp.mydomain.com/mylog.txt"
>>
>> but nothing gets written to the file. The Result shows no error. Am I
>> missing something obvious


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Mar 10 17:38:33 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 14:38:33 -0800
Subject: Mac OSX, Spotlight, and Rev
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860603101423w64ffc17bj5f2c2f2caa74a526@mail.gmail.com>
References: <429A66B6-B58A-4325-8651-5FDA984F8FF7@rpsystems.net>	<84C6E023-DA45-4E89-B37F-7EC373A8F36F@mac.com>	<4B09EEC5-2101-4A9C-9FCF-E06ED5491337@rpsystems.net>
	<f99b52860603101423w64ffc17bj5f2c2f2caa74a526@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4411FFE9.2020808@fourthworld.com>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> Rev stacks since 2.6.1 (I think) have been indexed by Spotlight, but I
> think it only indexes the scripts and not the fields.

Who wants their scripts indexed?

And if someone wants a stack indexed, isn't the interest more likely in 
having the content indexed?

   :\

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From martyknapp at comcast.net  Fri Mar 10 17:40:29 2006
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 14:40:29 -0800
Subject: Secure download location
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603101421g75e57e92j57a541f08025b03c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4410EB1D.3040705@comcast.net>
	<70ed6b130603101421g75e57e92j57a541f08025b03c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4412005D.8050200@comcast.net>

I'll check out Altuit's Magic Carpet. I have been playing with the 
tutorial from So Smart Software and have made a lot of progress. One of 
my problems was that the disk image I was testing on for my download was 
corrupted. Argh. It's amazing how many hours you can fight with 
something, only to find something really stupid that's tripping you up.

Thanks to a number of you who have made suggestions. Here's another 
question - If I use the "load url" command and go with the ftp protocol, 
am I exposing myself by having my username and password passed with 
this? I now know that it's exposed if I use a browser, but what about 
this route?

Thanks,
Marty Knapp

Dan Shafer wrote:
> Think about building this functionality on Altuit's Magic Carpet.
> http://www.altuit.com
>
> On 3/9/06, Marty Knapp <martyknapp at comcast.net> wrote:
>   
>> I'm wanting to set up a situation where people can download an update of
>> my program via a "download update" menu script, but keep the URL from
>> being known. I was tinkering with the revGoURL ftp route, but my
>> username and password show up in the browser history, which is, of
>> course, not good!
>>
>> I've been reading the docs about all the URL stuff. I took a look at the
>> Tutorials from So Smart Software and I'm getting more, not less
>> confused. It seems like there's a lot of options, though the difference
>> between them isn't clear to me yet. Basically I need to protect myself
>> from people just downloading the software who haven't paid, but make it
>> easy for those who have paid to download the latest version. Because
>> it's a low-dollar item I can't afford to be manually processing stuff -
>> I want my computer & web site to take care of 99% (that's why they made
>> computers - right!?).


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 10 17:41:32 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 14:41:32 -0800
Subject: Mac OSX, Spotlight, and Rev
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860603101423w64ffc17bj5f2c2f2caa74a526@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C037409C.35F01%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Hmmm, I don't get any results for my Rev stacks, either script, fld, or
custom property.  Maybe there is a preference or setting required.

It would be nice to be able to have the spotlight search.  Spotlight does
work in NoteTaker (.ntx) outlining formats and Excel workbooks.  Does anyone
have this working?

I have a plugin that loads a button into altPlugins toolbar where one click
saves the top stack, and saves the stack script container to a text file in
a folder called 'scriptsRev'.  I append the seconds to the front of the file
name so the versions are in chrono.

Also, I build a function that writes the scripts of my apps when they start,
so I get copies of the scripts, even when I stop, tweak, and restart.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




On 3/10/06 2:23 PM, "Sarah Reichelt" <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com> wrote:

>>> Revolution 2.6 has a spotlight importer that will index our scripts
>>> but I really don't know if it is present on 2.7
>> 
>> Hmm. So, if we wanted to make our own content indexable, this doesn't
>> have much to do with that, huh? I was hoping there was some way to
>> support indexing data stacks and the like.
> 
> Rev stacks since 2.6.1 (I think) have been indexed by Spotlight, but I
> think it only indexes the scripts and not the fields. It may index
> custom properties, so if your data is stored there, you can test that.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Mar 10 17:42:14 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 14:42:14 -0800
Subject: Revolution vs Visual Basic
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603101345i5879564doc3c380c1c8077e2f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <440F859A.5010104@howsoft.com>
	<70ed6b130603101345i5879564doc3c380c1c8077e2f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <441200C6.6080601@fourthworld.com>

Haitham wrote:
 > When we want to produce the program (or application) that is
 > created by Revolution, we can produce it as EXE file (in
 > windows). But what if we need to make some kind of Installation
 > or Setup? Can we do it?

You can use any common installer system for that just like you would 
anything else.

I used to use Wise Install, and while I think it's a wonderful tool I 
needed tighter integration with my automated build system so I'm writing 
my own installer. Only a couple days' work and I'm almost done.

In fact, the Rev 2.7 installer was also made with Rev.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Fri Mar 10 17:42:54 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 14:42:54 -0800
Subject: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <5DE14B83-50B5-48B9-892E-45809A896205@lexicall.org>
References: <5DE14B83-50B5-48B9-892E-45809A896205@lexicall.org>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603101442v57058163od05e603f219f8d46@mail.gmail.com>

Marielle......

I take note of the fact that you don't like my anonymous-endorser
methodology. It was not my intent to "convince non profit usrs on this list
to put the little money they have in revolution rather than other products."
My intent, as I stated it clearly, was to bring perhaps a little perspective
and humor to the discussion.

Obviously in your case I failed.


On 3/9/06, Marielle Lange <mlange at lexicall.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Dan,
>
> I rather agree with the argument you make, but I disagree with the
> way it is made, using the story of another person that nobody can
> check up. I far prefer that attempts to convince non profit users on
> this list to put the little money they have in revolution rather than
> other products focus on a discussion of the intrinsic quality of the
> product and customer support.
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http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
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From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Mar 10 17:40:57 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:40:57 -0600
Subject: copy from a locked, focusable fld under Windows
In-Reply-To: <FC9C1DC7-B064-11DA-BD75-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>
References: <FC9C1DC7-B064-11DA-BD75-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <44120079.2000304@chipp.com>

Andr?,

It works here with RR 2.6.1 and WinXP as well. You might want to 
explicity capture the copyKey message with a script in your stack which 
does something like:

on copyKey
   if the selectedText is not empty then copy
end copyKey

Keep in mind, Rev traps the copyKey message when in development mode. 
But if you suspend development, you will find it works.

best,

Chipp

Andr?.Bisseret wrote:
> Hi !
> I have fields that are set to "lock text", "focusable" and "auto hilite 
> text".
> I want that users be able to select a part of text and to copy it in 
> order to paste it elsewhere (for ex. in a Word document).

> With Windows system, friends who are testing my app.  report that Ctrl C 
> does not work.




From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Mar 10 17:47:24 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:47:24 -0600
Subject: Mac OSX, Spotlight, and Rev
In-Reply-To: <4411FFE9.2020808@fourthworld.com>
References: <429A66B6-B58A-4325-8651-5FDA984F8FF7@rpsystems.net>	<84C6E023-DA45-4E89-B37F-7EC373A8F36F@mac.com>	<4B09EEC5-2101-4A9C-9FCF-E06ED5491337@rpsystems.net>	<f99b52860603101423w64ffc17bj5f2c2f2caa74a526@mail.gmail.com>
	<4411FFE9.2020808@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <441201FC.6040909@chipp.com>



Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Who wants their scripts indexed?
> 
> And if someone wants a stack indexed, isn't the interest more likely in 
> having the content indexed?

While I'm not a Mac user, I would actually enjoy this feature. I've 
created hundreds of stacks which do different things, and sometimes it 
takes me forever to remember which stack had a handler I used before. It 
would be cool to search for: 'altAnswerList' and find all the stacks 
I've used an altAnswerList function, then sort them by date to get the 
most recent.

Heck just searching for 'alt*' anything would be fun! :-)

-C



From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Fri Mar 10 18:16:18 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:16:18 -0800
Subject: [FR] [EN]Re: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603090938440.5292-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <1hbxox0.fd83sq1bzmg00M%mcdomi@free.fr>
	<Pine.GSO.4.33.0603090938440.5292-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603101516u3f855d51r589db238317b6a8b@mail.gmail.com>

Vis a vis the comments made by Judy Perry and others on this thread and
others on the board regarding the state of funding for education....

It is appalling to me that as a country, the United States (and apparently
this phenomenon is not a respecter of national borders) values education so
little. My business partner's daughter has a degree in social service and
education and wants to teach. Instead, she's a bartender because she can
make more in a good weekend of tending bar than she can in a week of
teaching. At lunch the other day, two of my other friends and colleagues
were sharing stories about *their* daughters, who are both full-time
teachers but who supplement their incomes with waitress jobs that end up
paying them more in a year than their teaching positions.

Funding for specific programs -- particularly those which, as Judy
describes, are showing declining enrollments but may nonetheless be
important to the overall value of education -- gets reduced while sports
programs, MBA programs and other efforts designed more to feather the
university's PR and endowment nest than to contribute to mankind, get
increased.

All that said, I don't believe this obligates any company to have a policy
that so favors the educational community that it affects that company's
ability to stay in business and serve its primary customer base well. And,
before anyone jumps all over me again, I am *not* saying or implying that
Judy or anyone else here suggests RunRev should do so. But even though Judy
said in one of her replies that when it comes to creating and distributing
Media "I think it costs the company nothing and has the potential to bring
in a certain class of users." I'm sure she didn't mean that Rev Media didn't
cost the company nothing, but only perhaps that having a strategy to sell
such a product doesn't cut into the sales of their primary product line and
in that sense isn't a revenue disruption.

I'd like to see the educational administrators get their priorities together
so that liberal arts programs aren't short-shrifted while business and
science/technology programs explode. But in a sense, I suppose, they, too,
are just responding to demand.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author
http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
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From jonathandlynch at gmail.com  Fri Mar 10 18:16:42 2006
From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (Jonathan Lynch)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 18:16:42 -0500
Subject: copy from a locked, focusable fld under Windows
In-Reply-To: <44120079.2000304@chipp.com>
References: <FC9C1DC7-B064-11DA-BD75-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>
	<44120079.2000304@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <31e1938c0603101516i3493bc03v50743fb1f77e08ae@mail.gmail.com>

This is how I would up doing it:

on RawKeyDown pKey
  if (pKey = 99 or pKey = 67) and the commandkey is down then
    if the selectedfield <> empty then
      put the selection into tSel
      put the htmltext of the selection into tSelHtml
      set the clipboarddata["text"] to tSel
      set the clipboarddata["html"] to tSelHtml
      select the selectedchunk
      exit rawkeydown
    end if
  end if
  pass rawkeydown
end rawkeydown

This is adapted from a the rawkeydown handler in taskmage, which does a
bunch of other stuff that does not need to be included here.

I find this script works well, and allows you to copy both formatted and
unformatted text so that it can be copied from a rev application and pasted
into any other application.


From aturban at qwest.net  Fri Mar 10 18:20:25 2006
From: aturban at qwest.net (Arthur Urban)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:20:25 -0700
Subject: Interesing bug with word elements
Message-ID: <441209B9.3010608@qwest.net>

The following code produces what I think is a bug:

   put "a" into word 1 of test
   put "b" into word 2 of test

Examining test shows "ab" in word 1, not two words as requested. If you 
change the code from "word" to "line" or to "item" Rev correctly 
produces the lines or items needed to fulfill the command. I'm seeing 
this on Win32, don't know about OSX.

Bug, or no?


From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Fri Mar 10 18:24:56 2006
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 17:24:56 -0600
Subject: Interesing bug with word elements
In-Reply-To: <441209B9.3010608@qwest.net>
References: <441209B9.3010608@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060310172257.052ab650@exchange.slg.com>

It depends on what the contents of test was.  If you look at the user guide 
(and maybe other documentation), item is the only chunk that will create 
blank items, so for put something into word 2 to work, there already needs 
to be a word two, but put x into item 5 of test will add the commas  to 
make test=,,,.x

So I think this is documented behavior and not a bug.

At 05:20 PM 3/10/2006, you wrote:
>The following code produces what I think is a bug:
>
>   put "a" into word 1 of test
>   put "b" into word 2 of test
>
>Examining test shows "ab" in word 1, not two words as requested. If you 
>change the code from "word" to "line" or to "item" Rev correctly produces 
>the lines or items needed to fulfill the command. I'm seeing this on 
>Win32, don't know about OSX.
>
>Bug, or no?
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From j.tangen at unsw.edu.au  Fri Mar 10 19:36:37 2006
From: j.tangen at unsw.edu.au (Jason Tangen)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 11:36:37 +1100
Subject: Rev on Intel iMacs
Message-ID: <47BDA5ED-6A5F-4EDC-BC98-87D1687F369B@unsw.edu.au>

I've just learned that the Apple has declared the G5 iMac 'end of  
life' <http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index.cfm?home&NewsID=14073>,  
and the only option for an iMac now is the Intel Core Duo.  Kevin  
mentioned previously that Universal binaries won't make it into  
version 2.7, but will be during the 2.7.x cycle.  While we're  
waiting, has anyone tried Rev on an Intel iMac under Rosetta?  Any  
reports on performance?

Cheers,
Jason



From stevef at upnaway.com  Fri Mar 10 20:24:02 2006
From: stevef at upnaway.com (Flavel Steve)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:24:02 +0800
Subject: Thousands Separator on OSX
Message-ID: <36B4BF48-B5F1-42A1-AEF8-027DBE6A5309@upnaway.com>

My brain is hurting try to get the current thousands separator on a  
Mac OS.


I have tried
  put replaceText(shell("defaults read NSGlobalDomain  
NSThousandsSeparator"),"(\s|\(|\))","") into gThousandsSeparator

but nothing.

OS X 10.4.5

Any help much appreciated.


Steve  Flavel





From troy_lists at rpsystems.net  Fri Mar 10 20:43:41 2006
From: troy_lists at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 20:43:41 -0500
Subject: Mac OSX, Spotlight, and Rev
In-Reply-To: <4411FFE9.2020808@fourthworld.com>
References: <429A66B6-B58A-4325-8651-5FDA984F8FF7@rpsystems.net>	<84C6E023-DA45-4E89-B37F-7EC373A8F36F@mac.com>	<4B09EEC5-2101-4A9C-9FCF-E06ED5491337@rpsystems.net>
	<f99b52860603101423w64ffc17bj5f2c2f2caa74a526@mail.gmail.com>
	<4411FFE9.2020808@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <EE7F3E78-42AB-46C8-8597-084F8328A15B@rpsystems.net>


On Mar 10, 2006, at 5:38 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Who wants their scripts indexed?
>
> And if someone wants a stack indexed, isn't the interest more  
> likely in having the content indexed?

Bingo. Although being able to spotlight my scripts could ultimately  
be helpful, I was hoping it worked with content. That would make it a  
lot more interesting, at least for Mac specific tools, and even my  
own desktop stuff.

--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net




From jhurley at infostations.com  Fri Mar 10 20:56:09 2006
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 17:56:09 -0800
Subject: Mac OSX, Spotlight, and Rev
In-Reply-To: <20060311002432.78E77826063@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060311002432.78E77826063@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p06230900c037dbe75b90@[10.0.1.2]>

>
>Message: 19
>Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 08:23:19 +1000
>From: "Sarah Reichelt" <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: Mac OSX, Spotlight, and Rev
>To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>Message-ID:
>	<f99b52860603101423w64ffc17bj5f2c2f2caa74a526 at mail.gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
>  > > Revolution 2.6 has a spotlight importer that will index our scripts
>  > > but I really don't know if it is present on 2.7
>>
>>  Hmm. So, if we wanted to make our own content indexable, this doesn't
>>  have much to do with that, huh? I was hoping there was some way to
>>  support indexing data stacks and the like.
>
>Rev stacks since 2.6.1 (I think) have been indexed by Spotlight, but I
>think it only indexes the scripts and not the fields. It may index
>custom properties, so if your data is stored there, you can test that.
>
>Cheers,
>Sarah
>


Sarah,

You  are right. Spotlight does not index content, but EasyFind--see 
below--does search content.

Richard:  Very  useful in finding that stack which has the special 
function, e.g. "intersection" or "theAngleBetween" in some script, 
somewhere.

However, EasyFind will search both the scripts and the  content. It 
does not index, so it is slow. (To search scripts be sure to include 
"RSTK" file types.)

To check out EasyFind (freeware) check the url:

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/11706

Jim


From troy_lists at rpsystems.net  Fri Mar 10 21:28:39 2006
From: troy_lists at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:28:39 -0500
Subject: Mac OSX, Spotlight, and Rev
In-Reply-To: <p06230900c037dbe75b90@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <20060311002432.78E77826063@mail.runrev.com>
	<p06230900c037dbe75b90@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <845079CB-B559-4B11-AAEB-6B00D9C87565@rpsystems.net>


On Mar 10, 2006, at 8:56 PM, Jim Hurley wrote:

> You  are right. Spotlight does not index content, but EasyFind--see  
> below--does search content.

I wonder what it would take to make content stacks spotlight  
compatible? EasyFind sounds pretty neat, but it is a whole 'nuther  
thing.

--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net




From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Fri Mar 10 22:12:43 2006
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:12:43 -0800
Subject: [FR] [EN]Re: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603101516u3f855d51r589db238317b6a8b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1hbxox0.fd83sq1bzmg00M%mcdomi@free.fr>
	<Pine.GSO.4.33.0603090938440.5292-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<70ed6b130603101516u3f855d51r589db238317b6a8b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CE823B3B-7FD9-4F77-800B-B84818635C78@cruzio.com>

As someone who has long been involved in elementary education I can  
say that at our level, while decisions may be made to shuffle  
existing funds one direction or another, those "existing funds" are  
negligible.   The bank is broke.

Cutting the fat out happened long ago.  Then most of the meat went.   
It's now down to making the hard decision on which tendons and bones  
to keep, and even those that are saved are being whittled away,  
slowly but surely.

Most anything that looks from the outside like a well-funded program  
is based on door to door fund-raisers and parent donations, taxes by  
another name, collected by kids.  As a culture that respects and  
values education, ours pretty much... uh... sucks.  No Child Left  
Behind... right.

Mark


On Mar 10, 2006, at 3:16 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:

> I'd like to see the educational administrators get their priorities  
> together
> so that liberal arts programs aren't short-shrifted while business and
> science/technology programs explode. But in a sense, I suppose,  
> they, too,
> are just responding to demand.



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Mar 10 23:53:18 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 20:53:18 -0800
Subject: [FR] [EN]Re: The End of Dreamcard?
In-Reply-To: <CE823B3B-7FD9-4F77-800B-B84818635C78@cruzio.com>
References: <1hbxox0.fd83sq1bzmg00M%mcdomi@free.fr>	<Pine.GSO.4.33.0603090938440.5292-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>	<70ed6b130603101516u3f855d51r589db238317b6a8b@mail.gmail.com>
	<CE823B3B-7FD9-4F77-800B-B84818635C78@cruzio.com>
Message-ID: <441257BE.7090901@fourthworld.com>

Mark Swindell wrote:
> As a culture that respects and values education, ours
> pretty much... uh... sucks.  No Child Left Behind... right.

As a budget-cutting move they've recently shortened that to simply "No 
Child Left". :)

The upside is that it's now more accurate.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Mar 10 23:59:03 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 20:59:03 -0800
Subject: Mac OSX, Spotlight, and Rev
In-Reply-To: <EE7F3E78-42AB-46C8-8597-084F8328A15B@rpsystems.net>
References: <429A66B6-B58A-4325-8651-5FDA984F8FF7@rpsystems.net>	<84C6E023-DA45-4E89-B37F-7EC373A8F36F@mac.com>	<4B09EEC5-2101-4A9C-9FCF-E06ED5491337@rpsystems.net>	<f99b52860603101423w64ffc17bj5f2c2f2caa74a526@mail.gmail.com>	<4411FFE9.2020808@fourthworld.com>
	<EE7F3E78-42AB-46C8-8597-084F8328A15B@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <44125917.6090902@fourthworld.com>

Troy Rollins wrote:
> 
> On Mar 10, 2006, at 5:38 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
>> Who wants their scripts indexed?
>>
>> And if someone wants a stack indexed, isn't the interest more likely 
>> in having the content indexed?
> 
> Bingo. Although being able to spotlight my scripts could ultimately be 
> helpful, I was hoping it worked with content. That would make it a lot 
> more interesting, at least for Mac specific tools, and even my own 
> desktop stuff.

I've always thought of Spotlight in Rev as something that's most useful 
not for developers, but for developers' customers.

It's dirt simple to make a script search tool for Rev in Rev.  And if I 
need to search my own content it's only a little more time and that's 
done too.

But my customers, they're the ones that need Spotlight support. They 
don't program in Transcript, they can't get at data like we developers 
can.  But they do enjoy Spotlight, and increasingly it plays a role in 
how they think about the content on their drive.

I can understand adding Spotlight support for scripts, but only as the 
second thing I'd do, long after making content indexed first.

Curious priorities, impenetrable to my weak mind....

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From troy_lists at rpsystems.net  Sat Mar 11 00:01:34 2006
From: troy_lists at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 00:01:34 -0500
Subject: Mac OSX, Spotlight, and Rev
In-Reply-To: <44125917.6090902@fourthworld.com>
References: <429A66B6-B58A-4325-8651-5FDA984F8FF7@rpsystems.net>	<84C6E023-DA45-4E89-B37F-7EC373A8F36F@mac.com>	<4B09EEC5-2101-4A9C-9FCF-E06ED5491337@rpsystems.net>	<f99b52860603101423w64ffc17bj5f2c2f2caa74a526@mail.gmail.com>	<4411FFE9.2020808@fourthworld.com>
	<EE7F3E78-42AB-46C8-8597-084F8328A15B@rpsystems.net>
	<44125917.6090902@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <1129FA03-5FB2-4ACF-970B-7364571CD6F6@rpsystems.net>


On Mar 10, 2006, at 11:59 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> I've always thought of Spotlight in Rev as something that's most  
> useful not for developers, but for developers' customers.

Exactly. The ability to let them use the native tools of the OS to  
best advantage. Makes for more powerful software.

--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net




From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Sat Mar 11 02:48:45 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 23:48:45 -0800
Subject: The templateField Keyword
In-Reply-To: <20ECCA3C-CC73-4B4B-B84E-56FC5B16237F@videotron.ca>
References: <20ECCA3C-CC73-4B4B-B84E-56FC5B16237F@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603102348i65dc5c6eqa7b987847d6cf2c7@mail.gmail.com>

Looks like a bug to me. I can't get templateField to work correctly in OS X
with 2.6.1 or 2.7.

Unfortunately, for some reason Bugzilla isn't responding so I can't check to
see if this is a previously identified problem.


On 3/9/06, Gregory Lypny <gregory.lypny at videotron.ca> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I tried to create a field template using the templateField keyword,
> but it doesn't seem to work.  When I use the handler below, the text
> in newly created fields is Lucida Grande, but the size is 11 instead
> of 12, and the height is 14 instead of 18.  What am I doing wrong?
>
>         Regards,
>
>                 Gregory
>
> on openStack
>    set the textFont of the templateField to "Lucida Grande"
>    set the textSize of the templateField to 12
>    set the fixedLineHeight of the templateField to true
>    set the textHeight of the templateField to 18
> end openStack
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Sat Mar 11 03:18:44 2006
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 08:18:44 +0000
Subject: The templateField Keyword
In-Reply-To: <20ECCA3C-CC73-4B4B-B84E-56FC5B16237F@videotron.ca>
References: <20ECCA3C-CC73-4B4B-B84E-56FC5B16237F@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <282F89B0-FAB3-4FC9-94A4-CC23BEF57E95@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 9 Mar 2006, at 19:41, Gregory Lypny wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I tried to create a field template using the templateField keyword,  
> but it doesn't seem to work.  When I use the handler below, the  
> text in newly created fields is Lucida Grande, but the size is 11  
> instead of 12, and the height is 14 instead of 18.  What am I doing  
> wrong?
>
> 	Regards,
>
> 		Gregory
>
> on openStack
>   set the textFont of the templateField to "Lucida Grande"
>   set the textSize of the templateField to 12
>   set the fixedLineHeight of the templateField to true
>   set the textHeight of the templateField to 18
> end openStack

Are these newly created fields made by using the Rev tool palette?  
I'd assume that Rev sets the templateField every time you create a  
field. That would explainwhat you see.

To create fields using templateField settings of your own, you need  
to use "create field" before anything else can change the  
templateField again. Something like this:


    on createField
      set the textFont of the templateField to "Lucida Grande"
      set the textSize of the templateField to 12
      set the fixedLineHeight of the templateField to true
      set the textHeight of the templateField to 18
      create field
      reset the templateField
    end createField

Cheers
Dave


From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Sat Mar 11 05:44:05 2006
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9.Bisseret?=)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 11:44:05 +0100
Subject: Interesing bug with word elements
In-Reply-To: <441209B9.3010608@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <F60DDA1A-B0EB-11DA-BF55-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>


Le Saturday, 11 Mar 2006, ? 00:20 Europe/Paris, Arthur Urban a ?crit :

> The following code produces what I think is a bug:
>
>   put "a" into word 1 of test
>   put "b" into word 2 of test
>
> Examining test shows "ab" in word 1, not two words as requested. If 
> you change the code from "word" to "line" or to "item" Rev correctly 
> produces the lines or items needed to fulfill the command. I'm seeing 
> this on Win32, don't know about OSX.

Hi Arthur,
On my Mac G4 0SX, 10.2.8 I get the same. Putting "a" in line 5 of test 
creates 4 empty lines before ; it works  for items too. But not with 
words :

In msg :
put "a" into word 1 of test
put "b" into word 2 of test
put "c" into word 3 of test
put test --> abc
put word 1 of test -> abc

So it's just like you had written :
put "a" into word 1 of test
put "b" after word 1 of test
put test -> ab

Now :
put "b" into word 2 of test
put "a" into word 1 of test
put test -> a

And :
put "b" into  word 2 of test
put "a" into word 2 of test
put test -> ba

Well,  fortunately :-)
put "a " into word 1 of test -- space after a (could be a solution ?)
put "b" into word 2 of test
put test -> a b
put cr & word 1 of test after msg -> a
put cr & word 2 of test after msg -> b

Likely a lot of more possible amusing tests !;-)))
>
> Bug, or no?
Could be not, if it is documented as Peter said ; I did'nt read this 
documentation ;
but I imagine it was difficult to explain that,  if "test" includes "a" 
as word 1, putting "b" in word 2 appends "b" after  "a" in word 1  :-)))

Best regards from Grenoble
Andr?




From klaus at major-k.de  Sat Mar 11 05:57:34 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 11:57:34 +0100
Subject: Thousands Separator on OSX
In-Reply-To: <36B4BF48-B5F1-42A1-AEF8-027DBE6A5309@upnaway.com>
References: <36B4BF48-B5F1-42A1-AEF8-027DBE6A5309@upnaway.com>
Message-ID: <66E0017D-91FF-4E8A-9926-AB6739113F8B@major-k.de>

Hi Flavel,

> My brain is hurting try to get the current thousands separator on a  
> Mac OS.
>
> I have tried
>  put replaceText(shell("defaults read NSGlobalDomain  
> NSThousandsSeparator"),"(\s|\(|\))","") into gThousandsSeparator
> but nothing.
>
> OS X 10.4.5
> Any help much appreciated.

If you just want to get that thing:
put shell("defaults read NSGlobalDomain NSThousandsSeparator") into  
gThousandsSeparator

Works here, i get a dot "." (german system)

But your line above also works here!!!?
OS X 10.4.5.

> Steve  Flavel

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From stevef at upnaway.com  Sat Mar 11 06:08:54 2006
From: stevef at upnaway.com (Flavel Steve)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 19:08:54 +0800
Subject: Thousands Separator on OSX
In-Reply-To: <66E0017D-91FF-4E8A-9926-AB6739113F8B@major-k.de>
References: <36B4BF48-B5F1-42A1-AEF8-027DBE6A5309@upnaway.com>
	<66E0017D-91FF-4E8A-9926-AB6739113F8B@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <6273D3BF-150A-4113-B941-FE91A9F6B9B9@upnaway.com>


Hi Klaus

This is what I get from pasting your code

2006-03-11 19:06:46.564 defaults[604]
The domain/default pair of (kCFPreferencesAnyApplication,  
NSThousandsSeparator) does not exist

What system are you using?

Steve



On 11/03/2006, at 6:57 PM, Klaus Major wrote:

> Hi Flavel,
>
>> My brain is hurting try to get the current thousands separator on  
>> a Mac OS.
>>
>> I have tried
>>  put replaceText(shell("defaults read NSGlobalDomain  
>> NSThousandsSeparator"),"(\s|\(|\))","") into gThousandsSeparator
>> but nothing.
>>
>> OS X 10.4.5
>> Any help much appreciated.
>
> If you just want to get that thing:
> put shell("defaults read NSGlobalDomain NSThousandsSeparator") into  
> gThousandsSeparator
>
> Works here, i get a dot "." (german system)
>
> But your line above also works here!!!?
> OS X 10.4.5.
>
>> Steve  Flavel
>
> Regards
>
> Klaus Major
> klaus at major-k.de
> http://www.major-k.de
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Sat Mar 11 06:27:34 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 12:27:34 +0100
Subject: Thousands Separator on OSX
In-Reply-To: <6273D3BF-150A-4113-B941-FE91A9F6B9B9@upnaway.com>
References: <36B4BF48-B5F1-42A1-AEF8-027DBE6A5309@upnaway.com>
	<66E0017D-91FF-4E8A-9926-AB6739113F8B@major-k.de>
	<6273D3BF-150A-4113-B941-FE91A9F6B9B9@upnaway.com>
Message-ID: <A2A6EA2E-26CA-40C1-AA17-7A8A6AFF5BFB@major-k.de>

Hi Steve,

> Hi Klaus
>
> This is what I get from pasting your code
> 2006-03-11 19:06:46.564 defaults[604]
> The domain/default pair of (kCFPreferencesAnyApplication,  
> NSThousandsSeparator) does not exist

??? Very strange...

> What system are you using?

A (stock) german system 10.4.5

Any X/Unix guys/gals out there that could shed some light on this  
phenomenon?

> Steve

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From thierry.arbellot at laposte.net  Sat Mar 11 06:53:16 2006
From: thierry.arbellot at laposte.net (Thierry Arbellot)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 12:53:16 +0100
Subject: Thousands Separator on OSX
In-Reply-To: <A2A6EA2E-26CA-40C1-AA17-7A8A6AFF5BFB@major-k.de>
References: <36B4BF48-B5F1-42A1-AEF8-027DBE6A5309@upnaway.com>
	<66E0017D-91FF-4E8A-9926-AB6739113F8B@major-k.de>
	<6273D3BF-150A-4113-B941-FE91A9F6B9B9@upnaway.com>
	<A2A6EA2E-26CA-40C1-AA17-7A8A6AFF5BFB@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <8ecaf40ab55177fbb85a18fedb26cf0a@laposte.net>

Hi all,

I have seen this problem with some domain.
Open the international panel in system preferences and change the 
thousand separator, it should create the domain/default pair.

Hope it helps
Thierry

On 2006, Mar 11, , at 12:27, Klaus Major wrote:

> Hi Steve,
>
>> Hi Klaus
>>
>> This is what I get from pasting your code
>> 2006-03-11 19:06:46.564 defaults[604]
>> The domain/default pair of (kCFPreferencesAnyApplication, 
>> NSThousandsSeparator) does not exist
>
> ??? Very strange...
>
>> What system are you using?
>
> A (stock) german system 10.4.5
>
> Any X/Unix guys/gals out there that could shed some light on this 
> phenomenon?
>
>> Steve
>
> Regards
>
> Klaus Major
> klaus at major-k.de
> http://www.major-k.de
>
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From paulclaude at postino.it  Sat Mar 11 08:43:02 2006
From: paulclaude at postino.it (Paul Claude)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 14:43:02 +0100
Subject: Font character shape
Message-ID: <C0389276.41EB%paulclaude@postino.it>

I've copied a field from an external stack in my own stack and all the
characters in this field are changed and looks bad; my stack uses the same
font (Arial narrow), the same size and style (controlled also with the
"effective" keyword), but the two stacks, together opened in Rev 2.7, looks
very different.

In my stack the shape of characters seems raw, and in the original stack the
shape seems perfect. There is some stack general property that change the
look of the characters (antialiasing, etc.)? I haven't found nothing in the
Rev documentation.




From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sat Mar 11 12:43:34 2006
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:43:34 -0800
Subject: Font character shape
In-Reply-To: <C0389276.41EB%paulclaude@postino.it>
Message-ID: <C0384C46.354BD%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Paul Claude wrote:

> I've copied a field from an external stack in my own stack and all the
> characters in this field are changed and looks bad; my stack uses the same
> font (Arial narrow), the same size and style (controlled also with the
> "effective" keyword), but the two stacks, together opened in Rev 2.7, looks
> very different.
> 
> In my stack the shape of characters seems raw, and in the original stack the
> shape seems perfect. There is some stack general property that change the
> look of the characters (antialiasing, etc.)? I haven't found nothing in the
> Rev documentation.

What platform/system version?  Does your stack have a custom windowshape?

There appears to be a bug with text antialiasing in Rev 2.7, on Mac OS X
10.3.9 -- specifically the text antialiasing gets removed.  The bug does not
appear to be present on more recent systems.  The Rev developers are aware
of this.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Mar 11 12:57:47 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 11:57:47 -0600
Subject: Thousands Separator on OSX
In-Reply-To: <6273D3BF-150A-4113-B941-FE91A9F6B9B9@upnaway.com>
References: <36B4BF48-B5F1-42A1-AEF8-027DBE6A5309@upnaway.com>	<66E0017D-91FF-4E8A-9926-AB6739113F8B@major-k.de>
	<6273D3BF-150A-4113-B941-FE91A9F6B9B9@upnaway.com>
Message-ID: <44130F9B.7020002@hyperactivesw.com>

Flavel Steve wrote:
> 
> Hi Klaus
> 
> This is what I get from pasting your code
> 
> 2006-03-11 19:06:46.564 defaults[604]
> The domain/default pair of (kCFPreferencesAnyApplication,  
> NSThousandsSeparator) does not exist

I get the same thing. I think that means the user has not set a 
separator in the system prefs yet, so there is no specific character 
identified. Probably the script could assume the generic default 
separator, a comma, is in use.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
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From mlange at lexicall.org  Sat Mar 11 14:33:12 2006
From: mlange at lexicall.org (Marielle Lange)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 19:33:12 +0000
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 30, Issue 23
In-Reply-To: <20060309165721.14410825D96@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060309165721.14410825D96@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <228959B8-9EA9-44A2-B16C-ADA9990C71BE@lexicall.org>

Kan,

Thanks for sharing this,

But as you made clear in your earlier post, you are only using  
revolution for fun. I was myself very happy paying for a studio  
license in this context, just for being given the opportunity to play  
around at evening and week-end time. Have this "feel clever" feeling  
because I was ready to rapidly assemble 2 text boxes, 3 buttons and  
have them "do something".

For my part, I went up to an entreprise license. And then I started  
to be unhappy. I know some people on this list make ample money from  
their runrev activities. Making money was not what I was most  
interested in. A paradox is that the fact that you don't make money  
out of your hobby makes you more demanding about what you pay out of  
your "hobby" budget. Strangely, you become a lot more unforgiving of  
any default in the product you bought... because your money has been  
spent, you cannot afford to buy a replacement before a few months.

The reason I reacted to Dan's email is that he used the analogy to a  
photographer who is ready to pay a lot more for his lenses. I doubt  
that the semi-serious hobbyist he was didn't take the time that each  
penny he put into his hobby was well spent. I am sure his friend  
chooses each one of his lenses carefully, taking into account the  
intrinsic quality as well as long term reliability of the tool. I am  
sure a story like the one Dan's told on a semi-serious-amateur  
photographer  list wouldn't have decided him to pay for a $200 lens  
he was not ready to pay for, from the start. I am sure you do choose  
your bikes carefully even if you are well aware you cannot afford  
Lance Amstrong's one. I am sure that even if you  buy your bikes out  
of your hobby budget you still expect to be treated as a serious  
customer.

I only encouraged Dan to focus on the aspects of intrinsic quality of  
the product and customer support, as I believe they will have a lot  
more impact on non profit users than what may appear to some as not  
very subtle door salesman's tricks.

Marielle



On 09/03/2006, at 4:57 PM, "Kay C Lan" <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com> wrote:

> OK, then substitute me.
>
> I can fully relate to  the story Dan posted as I basically used  
> exactly the same logic when I upgraded from REV Express (free at  
> the time) to REV DreamCard (may not have been called DreamCard) and  
> then to REV Studio.
>
> REV Express disappeared and I was pretty ticked off at not having a  
> 'free' version for hobbiests to 'play with'. I even emailed REV and  
> let them know what I thought.
>
> But to put it into perspective, I 'play with' trains, and I spend  
> more annually on model trains than REV.
>
> I enjoy cycling, and spend more on my bike annually than I do on  
> REV. See my recent post - subject REV vs Visual Basic - on how I  
> use REV to support my cycling.
>
> I enjoy computers, and whilst I LOVE Perl, MySQL and other  
> freebies. I still spend more annually on computer hardware and  
> software (excluding REV) than on REV alone. Then again children do  
> form a large part of the software expenditure pie (games).
>
> So, I'm never going to make money out of my trains (apart from a  
> few sound investments), my bike, or from REV. Although I still hope  
> that one day I'll actually script something that is useful to  
> someone else.
>
> Please feel free to 'check up' my story. I'd love to send you a  
> photo of my Live Steam engine or my new road bike;-)





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Alternative emails: mlange at blueyonder.co.uk,

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From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Sat Mar 11 15:15:06 2006
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 14:15:06 -0600
Subject: OT: Course Builder (was: The End of Dreamcard?)
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603041340u21e33ab3x82eb749501680642@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1hbo7xr.sami10ds87i8M%mcdomi@free.fr>
	<p0623090ac02f5d336675@192.168.1.101>
	<4409F920.4040200@fourthworld.com>
	<2F4220BE-BB00-4460-A115-F78A183F4409@mac.com>
	<4409FC64.4080907@fourthworld.com>
	<a06110406c02fb2c8700e@192.168.1.101>
	<70ed6b130603041340u21e33ab3x82eb749501680642@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51F65028-221A-4477-8693-3424B6088824@earthlink.net>

Indeed, there was a scripting language in World Builder. Bill  
Appleton (a native Knoxvillean) went on to turn that into Course  
Builder, which was a delightful visually-oriented way to create  
software. He went on to develop SuperCard after that.

Eventually, Discovery Systems of Knoxville (comprised of 2 or 3 of  
the folks involved in the inception of Course Builder) acquired the  
rights to Course Builder and marketed it for about 10 years.  Alas,  
all good things must come to and end and it finally became  
financially infeasible for them to continue marketing Course  
Builder.  They had wonderful, free tech support (you often got one of  
the authors if you called for help).  I was very sad when they  
finally folded shop. :-(

Thanks for the trip down memory lane!

Marian

On Mar 4, 2006, at 3:40 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:

> I think you're right, Robert. I seem to recall writing a piece on
> interactive fiction in that time frame and interviewing Appleton  
> for it. My
> memory is a bit fuzzy but I think he did have a scripting language  
> of sorts
> in that quit-delightful tool.
>
> On 3/4/06, Robert Brenstein <rjb at robelko.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Andre Garzia wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 4, 2006, at 5:31 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Which multimedia authoring tool had a scripting language and  
>>>>> premiered
>>>>> at the Boston expo the year before HC was released?
>>>>
>>>> Was it Director known as VideoWorks first??? did I won? Gee, I was
>>>> only seven years old! :-D
>>>
>>> Good guess, but Director/Videoworks didn't add a scripting language
>>> until after HC was released.
>>>
>>> Hint: the developer's first name was Bill, and his last name started
>>> with an "A", but it wasn't "Atkinson".
>>>
>>> --
>>>  Richard Gaskin
>>>  Managing Editor, revJournal
>>
>>
>> Would you mean World Builder by Bill Appleton (Silicon Beach  
>> Software)?
>>
>> Robert
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From stevef at upnaway.com  Sat Mar 11 16:54:00 2006
From: stevef at upnaway.com (Flavel Steve)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 05:54:00 +0800
Subject: Thousands Separator on OSX
In-Reply-To: <44130F9B.7020002@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <36B4BF48-B5F1-42A1-AEF8-027DBE6A5309@upnaway.com>	<66E0017D-91FF-4E8A-9926-AB6739113F8B@major-k.de>
	<6273D3BF-150A-4113-B941-FE91A9F6B9B9@upnaway.com>
	<44130F9B.7020002@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <20780D84-6A7D-40B3-BFB2-65689245B4AB@upnaway.com>





On 12/03/2006, at 1:57 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

>> Hi Klaus
>> This is what I get from pasting your code
>> 2006-03-11 19:06:46.564 defaults[604]
>> The domain/default pair of (kCFPreferencesAnyApplication,   
>> NSThousandsSeparator) does not exist
>
> I get the same thing. I think that means the user has not set a  
> separator in the system prefs yet, so there is no specific  
> character identified. Probably the script could assume the generic  
> default separator, a comma, is in use.

I changed the settings to those typical of Germany, but I still get  
the "does not exist message".
Is it possible to get the thousand separator, currency symbol and  
decimal symbol?

Steve



From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Sat Mar 11 18:53:45 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 15:53:45 -0800
Subject: The templateField Keyword
In-Reply-To: <282F89B0-FAB3-4FC9-94A4-CC23BEF57E95@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <20ECCA3C-CC73-4B4B-B84E-56FC5B16237F@videotron.ca>
	<282F89B0-FAB3-4FC9-94A4-CC23BEF57E95@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603111553v324c73bevaff06ff89337db5a@mail.gmail.com>

Good one, Dave. But there's no need to reset the templateField (unless of
course you need to) and further testing suggests you *can* set the
templateField in an openStack handler and its values persist for all fields
you create *in scripts* but not those you create manually in the IDE>

The docs could be a bit clearer.



On 3/11/06, Dave Cragg <dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> On 9 Mar 2006, at 19:41, Gregory Lypny wrote:
>
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I tried to create a field template using the templateField keyword,
> > but it doesn't seem to work.  When I use the handler below, the
> > text in newly created fields is Lucida Grande, but the size is 11
> > instead of 12, and the height is 14 instead of 18.  What am I doing
> > wrong?
> >
> >       Regards,
> >
> >               Gregory
> >
> > on openStack
> >   set the textFont of the templateField to "Lucida Grande"
> >   set the textSize of the templateField to 12
> >   set the fixedLineHeight of the templateField to true
> >   set the textHeight of the templateField to 18
> > end openStack
>
> Are these newly created fields made by using the Rev tool palette?
> I'd assume that Rev sets the templateField every time you create a
> field. That would explainwhat you see.
>
> To create fields using templateField settings of your own, you need
> to use "create field" before anything else can change the
> templateField again. Something like this:
>
>
>     on createField
>       set the textFont of the templateField to "Lucida Grande"
>       set the textSize of the templateField to 12
>       set the fixedLineHeight of the templateField to true
>       set the textHeight of the templateField to 18
>       create field
>       reset the templateField
>     end createField
>
> Cheers
> Dave
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sat Mar 11 19:11:30 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 16:11:30 -0800
Subject: Grouping inside Grouping not that robust
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603111553v324c73bevaff06ff89337db5a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20ECCA3C-CC73-4B4B-B84E-56FC5B16237F@videotron.ca>
	<282F89B0-FAB3-4FC9-94A4-CC23BEF57E95@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<70ed6b130603111553v324c73bevaff06ff89337db5a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06230907c039144f8dc1@[192.168.1.103]>

It seem like Rev is still got problems with groups inside 
groups...anyone else seen this?

I've been trying to make design elements out of little line segments, 
and that requires making groups of groups sometimes to make them 
movable and usable.

But it's like walking on eggs. Rev gets confused as to what group is 
what, groups are hard to select, and twice in my case while trying to 
group it did something horrible to the stack - it made a tabbed 
button beneath it invisible - like the object shows up in the 
inspectors, but .... isn't there, isn't offscreen... it's just not 
visible and no property change will bring it back. Revert.

I think this is a bug and it seems to corrupt the stack.

I guess the rule is -- don't go more than 2 level deep with groups in 
groups. And as far as graphics go - if I have to work with small 
pieces, I think I'll do it in Appleworks or MacDraft and assemble the 
artwork there in front of an image of where they'll go... I've spent 
hours with this...

It would also be nice if there was some way to know what level of 
grouping one is in... as well as some way of grouping line elements 
so that they become a new graphic object.  Or how about 'locking' 
groups so the elements stays together in the group.


sqb
-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -


From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Sat Mar 11 19:22:01 2006
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 01:22:01 +0100
Subject: [ANN] ImageData Gallery
Message-ID: <441369A9.50601@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

I have uploaded a series of images created with the "ImageData Toolkit", 
which is a modified version of my "Colorpattern Toolkit" 
(<http://www.sanke.org/ImageDataArt>).

Thanks to the information provided by Ken Ray about "imagedata" on his 
website (<http://www.sonsothunder.com>) I was able to start my quest of 
the intricacies of this special way to create and manipulate images, 
which I had not paid much attention to before. I think such information 
as offered by Ken should be linked in some way to the Rev documentation. 
The information about imagedata in the documentation alone would not 
have been sufficient to get me going.

I have already rewritten about two-thirds of the 200 algorithms of the 
Colorpattern Toolkit, but because of other time-consuming tasks I will 
not be able to offer the new ImageData Toolkit before the beginning of May.

The Toolkit now uses 640 X 480 images as the basis, which means that 
1.228.000 chars of the imagedata for such a size have to be handled as 
each pixel of the imagedata is represented by 4 chars, but compared to 
dealing with the 160 X 120 char resolution of the color field of the 
Colorpattern Toolkit, the speed for imagedata handling is in many cases 
even faster - probably due to the binary nature of the imagedata - 
whereas other special algorithms run at best at a "tolerable" speed.

The Imagedata Toolkit will provide the option to import photos as a 
basis for image manipulation. Experimenting with imagedata I came across 
a number of new solutions for scripting functions, which I will also use 
to improve my present Colorpattern Toolkit.

Regards,

Wilhelm Sanke
<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>




From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sun Mar 12 02:56:14 2006
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:56:14 +0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <02cd01c64459$9b8c0220$0502a8c0@MRTOSHIBA>
References: <02cd01c64459$9b8c0220$0502a8c0@MRTOSHIBA>
Message-ID: <f73a98160603112356w110736b2l9cc8865f9df4e344@mail.gmail.com>

My qualifications to answer this question is based on the fact that I have
no formal programing experience, I script for a hobby, and use MySQL because
it is in my price range (free). I run OSX.

On 3/10/06, Mvreade <mvreade at earthlink.net> wrote:

> For users who have used Rev for databases, I was wondering what it's like
> to develop a system with, say, 20 tables and lots or relationships and
> methods?


My biggest project runs 2 DBs with a total of 16 tables with no problems.
One thing to get your head around is that you are really considering two
different things here:

1) The DB engine. If it can handle it, then you can create it; a DB with 20
tables is only scratching the surface of MySQL potential. If you can create
the query that joins the tables that extracts the data then you're OK, if
you can't, REV isn't going to help.

2)) REV as the GUI. If you can visualize how you want your data presented,
then you can build it with REV. I particularly like to use Master Stack ->
Sub Stack with Table -> joined Table.

There is really only two tricky bits with marrying Rev to DB:

1) Building and formatting the query correctly. To make life easy for me I
do all the 'dry runs' with CocoaMySQL (also free) until I know I have the
correct query structure before determining how to build that query in Rev
using buttons and fields. One reasons for this is getting the quotes right.

In CocoaMySQL (or Terminal)
SELECT * FROM products WHERE price = "9.99"

In a REV script
"SELECT * FROM products WHERE price = " & quote & "9.99" & quote

For complex queries if I try to do it straight in REV I invariable end up
with errors because of incorrect quoting, but if I create a correct query in
CocoaMySQL I can copy it and use REV's neat inbuilt 'Copy as Formatted
String' item in the Edit menu which will take the first line and turn it
into the second line. Easy!

2) Taking the data returned from a query and placing it in appropriate
fields and buttons. This is a little more complex and certainly more time
consuming, and worthy of an entire tutorial. Having said that though, once
you have figured out how to do it for one button or field, the rest will be
more of the same. The only real decision is whether the query will return a
cursor position, or the data itself.


> Where would one store all the methods?


I assume by methods you are referring to what xTalkers would call 'handlers'
To start with you'd probably store them in the most logical place, the
button, field or menu (which are in fact buttons) that corresponds with what
you want to achieve.

You may have three buttons, 'Name', 'Supplier','Price'

Then you could have something like this:

Button 'Name'
 on mouseUp
  put revDataFromQuery(,,currentDB,,"SELECT * FROM product ORDER BY Name"
into tMyDbData
  -- more script to place data in fields
 end mouseUp

Button 'Supplier'
 on mouseUp
  put revDataFromQuery(,,currentDB,,"SELECT * FROM product ORDER BY
Supplier" into tMyDbData
  -- more script to place data in fields
 end mouseUp

Button 'Price'
 on mouseUp
  put revDataFromQuery(,,currentDB,,"SELECT * FROM product ORDER by Price"
into tMyDbData
  -- more script to place data in fields
 end mouseUp

But, about 5 min after you complete your first prototype you'll realise a
better way you could have done things, like;

IN THE STACK SCRIPT, create a custom handler,

on hMyHandlerToSetTheSortOrder pMyButtonPressed
  put revDataFromQuery(,,currentDB,,"SELECT * FROM product ORDER by " &
pMyButtonPressed into tMyDbData
  -- more script to place the data in the desired fields, buttons etc
end hMyHandlerToSetTheSortOrder

Then in each button you'd have the same script;

on mouseUp
-- the short name of me will send the name of the button pressed
 hMyHandlerToSetTheSortOrder the short name of me
end mouseUp

For relationships, would one just keep a VERYlong list of Database Queries?


Yes you could do it that way, a custom property would be an ideal location.
If the queries are 'static' then that would be relatively easy, or as with
the example above, if a button only does one thing then the query would be
inbuilt into that script.

With my DBs I have numerous Option Buttons, some with 10's of options,
others with over a 100 options, plus check boxs and a field where I can
enter a number between 1 - 100. Overall the combinations must easily run
into the 100,000s if not the 1,000,000s. I build the final query on the fly
and activate it using a separate 'Query' button.

In summary, I find REV and MySQL (with CocoaSQL) such an easy combination to
work with that I regularly use it where it's really probably a bit of
overkill. Bit like driving the Suburban down to the local shops to pick up a
bottle of milk when riding my bike would have been better for me, the
environment and quicker considering Sunday morning traffic;-)

HTH


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sun Mar 12 03:21:47 2006
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:21:47 +0800
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 30, Issue 23
In-Reply-To: <228959B8-9EA9-44A2-B16C-ADA9990C71BE@lexicall.org>
References: <20060309165721.14410825D96@mail.runrev.com>
	<228959B8-9EA9-44A2-B16C-ADA9990C71BE@lexicall.org>
Message-ID: <f73a98160603120021l810feacua35fa9209053f22a@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/12/06, Marielle Lange <mlange at lexicall.org> wrote:
>
>
> A paradox is that the fact that you don't make money
> out of your hobby makes you more demanding about what you pay out of
> your "hobby" budget. Strangely, you become a lot more unforgiving of
> any default in the product you bought... because your money has been
> spent, you cannot afford to buy a replacement before a few months.


Very well said!

And I guess a very difficult dilemma for a marketing department to figure
out how to handle. I know it's been said on this list that Apple got it
wrong with HyperCard. All those users who got it for free and wanting
support etc. For Apple all pain for no 'direct' financial gain.

I guess they may have learnt their lesson as iTunes still remains free, even
though the rest of the the iLife package you need to pay for. iTunes also
happens to be the Apple product that I've sent in the must 'user
feedback':-)

Let's hope others can develop a thick skin for the whinges (and I've
obviously been one) so they can benefit from a growing user base:-)


From thierry.arbellot at laposte.net  Sun Mar 12 03:56:24 2006
From: thierry.arbellot at laposte.net (Thierry Arbellot)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 09:56:24 +0100
Subject: Thousands Separator on OSX
In-Reply-To: <20780D84-6A7D-40B3-BFB2-65689245B4AB@upnaway.com>
References: <36B4BF48-B5F1-42A1-AEF8-027DBE6A5309@upnaway.com>	<66E0017D-91FF-4E8A-9926-AB6739113F8B@major-k.de>
	<6273D3BF-150A-4113-B941-FE91A9F6B9B9@upnaway.com>
	<44130F9B.7020002@hyperactivesw.com>
	<20780D84-6A7D-40B3-BFB2-65689245B4AB@upnaway.com>
Message-ID: <437247d1c5c5983100406ce33d991e41@laposte.net>

here is a script to get the decimal separator:

     do "get item 2 of (1.1 as string)" as appleScript
     put the result into theDecimalSeparator
     replace quote with empty in theDecimalSeparator

Thierry

On 2006, Mar 11, , at 22:54, Flavel Steve wrote:

>
>
>
>
> On 12/03/2006, at 1:57 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>>> Hi Klaus
>>> This is what I get from pasting your code
>>> 2006-03-11 19:06:46.564 defaults[604]
>>> The domain/default pair of (kCFPreferencesAnyApplication,  
>>> NSThousandsSeparator) does not exist
>>
>> I get the same thing. I think that means the user has not set a 
>> separator in the system prefs yet, so there is no specific character 
>> identified. Probably the script could assume the generic default 
>> separator, a comma, is in use.
>
> I changed the settings to those typical of Germany, but I still get 
> the "does not exist message".
> Is it possible to get the thousand separator, currency symbol and 
> decimal symbol?
>
> Steve
>
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 12 05:16:38 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 02:16:38 -0800
Subject: REV, Applescript, Javascript technique
Message-ID: <C0393506.35FA6%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Hope there is a simple answer to the following:

Using Rev to coordinate getting account info via the web.
Used to work, but not does not for some strange reason.
Rev sets the clipboard then calls...
tell application "Safari"
        set safariJavaCmdStr to the clipboard
        do JavaScript safariJavaCmdStr in document 1
end tell

Document 1 is the current web page frontmost.
The safariJavaCmdStr is the same code as the link on the web page that opens
a popup window when clicked to show detail.  Clicking works.

onclick=popup = window.open('','detailPopup', 'scrollbars')....more code

When this window is showing, I tell Safari to...

set sorce to the source of the front document
then tell BBEdit to do some fancy RegEx to extract the essentials
then back to Rev to catalog and loop to the next popup window link.

This worked 6 months ago, OSX 10.3.9 Safari Version 1.3.1 (312.3.1)
Currently does not work on older G4, Panther 10.3.8, Rev 2.5.1
--or--
Now on Tiger 10.4.2 with both Safari Version 1.3.1 (312.3.1) & Version 2.0
(412.2)

Another test was.....
Sending the javaScript command directly from Script Editor (also fails with
no change or message in Safari)

This is the command (watch word wrap.. all one line)...
onclick=\"popup = window.open('','detailPopup',
'scrollbars');popup.blur();document.TransactionListForm.gradeNumber.value =
91629973; document.TransactionListForm.ticketNumber.value = 0;
document.TransactionListForm.wagerNumber.value = 0;
document.TransactionListForm.submit(); return

I am not conversant in JavaScript, but understand enough try for a solution
if I had a few clues.  Is there another way to open a series of these
'detail popup' windows, get the source, close and do the next in a loop?

Why doesn't Applescript/Safari work with the do javaScript command?

Thanks for any guidance or help.  The manual method can work, but what a
pain.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Sun Mar 12 05:28:29 2006
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 21:28:29 +1100
Subject: stack images - pixmapID not supported in 2.7
In-Reply-To: <20060307015756.348CA826405@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060307015756.348CA826405@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <997462ec1f63e8824f61ea8eb6c9c62a@unimelb.edu.au>

Various cool routines for capturing stack images (including offscreen 
portions) that utilised the pixmapID of the stack were posted recently. 
Unfortunately they don't work in 2.7 as pixmapID is no longer 
supported. Any other ideas on how this might be achieved or is (as it 
appears) that it!

Terry...

Dr Terry Judd
Lecturer in Educational Technology (Design)
Biomedical Multimedia Unit
Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences
The University of Melbourne
Parkville VIC 3052
AUSTRALIA



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sun Mar 12 05:45:52 2006
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 02:45:52 -0800
Subject: stack images - pixmapID not supported in 2.7
In-Reply-To: <997462ec1f63e8824f61ea8eb6c9c62a@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <C0393BE0.355DB%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Terry Judd wrote:

> Various cool routines for capturing stack images (including offscreen
> portions) that utilised the pixmapID of the stack were posted recently.
> Unfortunately they don't work in 2.7 as pixmapID is no longer
> supported. Any other ideas on how this might be achieved or is (as it
> appears) that it!

If I understood correctly, the Rev guys will be re-implementing pixmapID in
a later 2.7.x version.  For now, you can do screen captures using object
references in hidden windows:

    "...snapshots can be taken of objects that are not on the current
     card or in stacks that are not open."

An interesting benefit of this is that if you reference a control, the
screenshot includes the control's alphaData.

See "import" in the new docs for detailed info.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From katir at hindu.org  Sun Mar 12 04:19:15 2006
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 23:19:15 -1000
Subject: Grouping inside Grouping not that robust
In-Reply-To: <p06230907c039144f8dc1@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <20ECCA3C-CC73-4B4B-B84E-56FC5B16237F@videotron.ca>
	<282F89B0-FAB3-4FC9-94A4-CC23BEF57E95@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<70ed6b130603111553v324c73bevaff06ff89337db5a@mail.gmail.com>
	<p06230907c039144f8dc1@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <FC29E69A-952C-4A7D-B969-7D434907F62A@hindu.org>

Yes, this can become a bit of a challenge  to say the least.  
Especially if you are also trying to get certain objects in some  
groups to be at the top of the group.

Does anyone else wish there were another "group-layer" editing  
strategy in Rev? as we have in photoshop? Imagine a palette which  
only shows  groups. the default "layer" being the ungrouped objects  
on the "bottom" of the card. Groups appear as layers in this palette,  
and you could turn them  on and off move them up and down by  
dragging. if you have a group selected in this palette, all object of  
all groups and as well as the ungrouped  objects of the "default"  
layer, show on screen, but effectively you are editing only objects  
in that group and all other objects in other  groups are  
unselectable, but visible. yet, you could take a selected object and   
drag it from one  group to  another. And the object changes groups.  
The Adobe model for this is close to perfect. I don't know if this is  
one of those things that could be easily translated into the Rev  
core...of if advance Rev usages of groups has some other  constraint  
that makes  such a model unfit,  or if  it  would be some kind of  
major re-engineering effort.  I'm not sure I understand  how having  
groups inside  of groups is even useful, true  it is possible, but  
what if every group were completely independent... would we lose   
something? I suppose  the ability to place several groups all at  
once, by placing a single group has  some utility?  this whole area  
definitely needs a new paradigm or at least a pair of nickels... some  
kind of upgrade.



On Mar 11, 2006, at 2:11 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> It seem like Rev is still got problems with groups inside  
> groups...anyone else seen this?
>
> I've been trying to make design elements out of little line  
> segments, and that requires making groups of groups sometimes to  
> make them movable and usable.
>
> But it's like walking on eggs. Rev gets confused as to what group  
> is what, groups are hard to select, and twice in my case while  
> trying to group it did something horrible to the stack - it made a  
> tabbed button beneath it invisible - like the object shows up in  
> the inspectors, but .... isn't there, isn't offscreen... it's just  
> not visible and no property change will bring it back. Revert.
>
> I think this is a bug and it seems to corrupt the stack.
>
> I guess the rule is -- don't go more than 2 level deep with groups  
> in groups. And as far as graphics go - if I have to work with small  
> pieces, I think I'll do it in Appleworks or MacDraft and assemble  
> the artwork there in front of an image of where they'll go... I've  
> spent hours with this...
>
> It would also be nice if there was some way to know what level of  
> grouping one is in... as well as some way of grouping line elements  
> so that they become a new graphic object.  Or how about 'locking'  
> groups so the elements stays together in the group.



From markgreenberg at cox.net  Sun Mar 12 08:27:36 2006
From: markgreenberg at cox.net (Mark Greenberg)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 06:27:36 -0700
Subject: In-line Fraction with Horizontal Line (Solution)
Message-ID: <AC786302-3E40-4A93-9B1C-4E112B37FC9F@cox.net>

Thank you to Gordon, Ken Ray, Cubist, Glenn, and both Jims for your  
solutions to this problem.  With your help I was able to write script  
that produced a perfectly satisfying result.  After a few  
experiments, I went with Ken's suggestion to use TextShift, but with  
a twist.  Here's what worked:

Sample Desired Equation:  y = 3/5x + 12
(in a centered field 1 line in height)

Put "y = 3x + 12" into field QBox
Put Return & "y = 5x + 12" after field QBox

This is so the 5 is directly under the 3, since there is quite a bit  
of variation in the width of the equations.  The second equation is  
not visible to the user because of the height of the field.

Then I shrank and raised the 3 with TextSize and TextShift (-18 in my  
case, but it depends on the lineheight and font).  I set the  
TextStyle of the 3 to "Underlined" to form the dividing line.  (Good  
idea, Ken.)

Here's the twist.  I used an extreme TextShift value (-85) to move  
the 5 all the way up into the first line of the field, just under the  
dividing line.  I also changed its size to match that of the 3.

The 3 and 5 needed to be padded with a space on either side to make  
it look right.  I looks perfect, as if horizontal-line fractions are  
built right into the font.

I can send the stack (not yet finished) if anyone is interested.   
Just contact me off-list.

Thanks again.  I couldn't have done it without your help.

	Mark Greenberg


From preid at reidit.co.uk  Sun Mar 12 10:14:25 2006
From: preid at reidit.co.uk (Peter Reid)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:14:25 +0000
Subject: MIDI-USB Input & Rev Media?
Message-ID: <p06230901c039e8ef0d2b@[192.168.183.2]>

I'm thinking of doing a project with my son that involves connecting 
an electronic drum kit up to his iBook (running OS X 10.4.x) via a 
USB-MIDI interface.  What he wants to do is sense drum beats and 
display different images and play different sounds based on what drum 
pads the user strikes. In particular, he wants to sense a drum beat 
and use that as a trigger to change the images on display and 
stop/start different sound tracks.

Firstly, can anyone point me in the right direction for sensing the 
drum input via a USB-MIDI adapter.

Secondly, could this project be done using the new Rev Media product? 
I have a full Enterprise licence, but my son doesn't have a licence 
for Rev and yet he'd like to be involved in the actual programming. 
So he'll need a Rev licence as well.  As he's a student, he hasn't 
got a lot of spare cash and so Rev Media would be ideal, rather than 
having to buy Rev Studio (there doesn't seem to be a single-user 
educational price for Studio).  However, can this be done with Rev 
Media or are there too many restrictions for this type of project?

Thanks for any suggestions.

Peter
-- 
Peter Reid
Reid-IT Limited, Loughborough, Leics., UK
Tel: +44 (0)1509 268843 Fax: +44 (0)8700 527576
E-mail: preid at reidit.co.uk
Web: http://www.reidit.co.uk


From alex at harryscollar.com  Sun Mar 12 11:05:17 2006
From: alex at harryscollar.com (Alex Shaw)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 02:05:17 +1000
Subject: standalone [pc/win] dialog bug
In-Reply-To: <20060311180003.BE1EC82587E@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060311180003.BE1EC82587E@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <441446BD.9060607@harryscollar.com>

Hi

Getting a few annoying problems with a current project with standalones 
on windows (ok on mac) using 2.6.1 & 2.7

I have invisible main stack which i create as a standalone. This stack 
loads a splash stack which in turn loads various other module stacks 
(including the one in which all interaction happens).

The problem:
All the text in the dialog windows (ask or answer) are underlined, even 
the input field.. do i need to define default text styles in the main 
stack to be linked as an exe?

Another problem which happens after a varied period of use in the 
standalone & rev ide is the cursor disappearing when within any stack or 
ide windows and a small black square appearing either in the top left of 
the screen or the top left of the current stack.. this then almost 
immediately leads to more screen corruption and I have to restart the 
ide or exe.

I thought it may be the way i had a invisible exe stack launching a 
splash so i quickly threw together a brand new test launch & splash 
stack using the same priciples, with a single ask button on the splash.. 
things worked ok

Tested on 4 pcs.. 2 win2000s & 2 xps.. all same problems. Again not 
getting it on the macs.. Anyway first time i've encountered both.. I've 
had a quick look thru my digest archives & bugzilla but haven't found 
any answers..

..any suggestions?

regards
alex


From europe at ehug.info  Sun Mar 12 12:49:10 2006
From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:49:10 +0100
Subject: standalone [pc/win] dialog bug
In-Reply-To: <441446BD.9060607@harryscollar.com>
References: <20060311180003.BE1EC82587E@mail.runrev.com>
	<441446BD.9060607@harryscollar.com>
Message-ID: <44145F16.300@ehug.info>

Hi Alex,

I don't know whether there is a Bugzilla entry for the dialog 
problems you describe, but I'd like to invite you to add your 
observations regarding cursors to

<http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=3078>

Copy-pasting your message should suffice.

I have seen similar issues in older Rev versions on both Windows 
PC's and 68K Macs.

Best regards,

Mark

Alex Shaw wrote:
> Hi
> 
  <snip dialog issues>
> 
> Another problem which happens after a varied period of use in the 
> standalone & rev ide is the cursor disappearing when within any stack or 
> ide windows and a small black square appearing either in the top left of 
> the screen or the top left of the current stack.. this then almost 
> immediately leads to more screen corruption and I have to restart the 
> ide or exe.
> 
> I thought it may be the way i had a invisible exe stack launching a 
> splash so i quickly threw together a brand new test launch & splash 
> stack using the same priciples, with a single ask button on the splash.. 
> things worked ok
> 
> Tested on 4 pcs.. 2 win2000s & 2 xps.. all same problems. Again not 
> getting it on the macs.. Anyway first time i've encountered both.. I've 
> had a quick look thru my digest archives & bugzilla but haven't found 
> any answers..
> 
> ..any suggestions?
> 
> regards
> alex

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From list at dreamscapesoftware.com  Sun Mar 12 13:24:18 2006
From: list at dreamscapesoftware.com (dreamscapesoftware.com - List)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:24:18 -0500
Subject: Associate Files on SUSE Linux (GNOME)
Message-ID: <200603121824.k2CIOIrs007952@valuworld.com>

Does anyone know how to setup File Type Associations on Linux?  I'm running SUSE Linux 10 with GNOME.

Thanks!

Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
www.dreamscapesoftware.com





From list at dreamscapesoftware.com  Sun Mar 12 13:26:11 2006
From: list at dreamscapesoftware.com (dreamscapesoftware.com - List)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:26:11 -0500
Subject: Look and Feel on Linux
Message-ID: <200603121826.k2CIQBZX008823@valuworld.com>

Some time ago I downloaded Linux and used Revolution on it.  It worked wonderfully and even adapted to the Look and Feel settings.

Now I'm using SUSE Linux 1.0 with GNOME, and Revolution 2.5.1 is not adapting to the Look and Feel of Linux.  Is the Look and Feel only compatable with KDE, or is something messed up on my end?  I tried changing the Look & Feel settings, but I keep getting that (crappy) old UNIX look and Feel.

Thanks

Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
www.dreamscapesoftware.com





From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sun Mar 12 13:57:39 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 10:57:39 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160603112356w110736b2l9cc8865f9df4e344@mail.gmail.com>
References: <02cd01c64459$9b8c0220$0502a8c0@MRTOSHIBA>
	<f73a98160603112356w110736b2l9cc8865f9df4e344@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p0623090bc03a1f23ea29@[192.168.1.103]>

I have never seen the Edit menu "Copy as Formatted String". It is not 
in 2.7. I just checked.

Are you sure this isn't some kind of customization?

>
>For complex queries if I try to do it straight in REV I invariable end up
>with errors because of incorrect quoting, but if I create a correct query in
>CocoaMySQL I can copy it and use REV's neat inbuilt 'Copy as Formatted
>String' item in the Edit menu which will take the first line and turn it
>into the second line. Easy!
>

-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Mar 12 14:44:33 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:44:33 -0600
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <p0623090bc03a1f23ea29@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <02cd01c64459$9b8c0220$0502a8c0@MRTOSHIBA>	<f73a98160603112356w110736b2l9cc8865f9df4e344@mail.gmail.com>
	<p0623090bc03a1f23ea29@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <44147A21.8070107@hyperactivesw.com>

Stephen Barncard wrote:
> I have never seen the Edit menu "Copy as Formatted String". It is not in 
> 2.7. I just checked.
> 
> Are you sure this isn't some kind of customization?

It's only available when the script editor is open.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Sun Mar 12 15:11:02 2006
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 07:11:02 +1100
Subject: stack images - pixmapID not supported in 2.7
In-Reply-To: <20060312180003.12E10825784@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060312180003.12E10825784@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <16cb530d75e093f82647e635c110b595@unimelb.edu.au>

> Recently, Terry Judd wrote:
>
>> Various cool routines for capturing stack images (including offscreen
>> portions) that utilised the pixmapID of the stack were posted 
>> recently.
>> Unfortunately they don't work in 2.7 as pixmapID is no longer
>> supported. Any other ideas on how this might be achieved or is (as it
>> appears) that it!
>
> If I understood correctly, the Rev guys will be re-implementing 
> pixmapID in
> a later 2.7.x version.  For now, you can do screen captures using 
> object
> references in hidden windows:
>
>     "...snapshots can be taken of objects that are not on the current
>      card or in stacks that are not open."
>
> An interesting benefit of this is that if you reference a control, the
> screenshot includes the control's alphaData.
>
> See "import" in the new docs for detailed info.

Thanks Scott - I'll take a look!

Terry...

>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
> -----
> E: scott at tactilemedia.com
> W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sun Mar 12 15:14:51 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 12:14:51 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <44147A21.8070107@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <02cd01c64459$9b8c0220$0502a8c0@MRTOSHIBA>
	<f73a98160603112356w110736b2l9cc8865f9df4e344@mail.gmail.com>
	<p0623090bc03a1f23ea29@[192.168.1.103]>
	<44147A21.8070107@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <p0623090cc03a316631fb@[192.168.1.103]>

Well, not while Constellation is active.... not there..

>Stephen Barncard wrote:
>>I have never seen the Edit menu "Copy as Formatted String". It is 
>>not in 2.7. I just checked.
>>
>>Are you sure this isn't some kind of customization?
>
>It's only available when the script editor is open.

-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -


From katir at hindu.org  Sun Mar 12 15:38:47 2006
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 10:38:47 -1000
Subject: OT: Web Server Processors
Message-ID: <C923A09E-79BC-477A-BD16-B2AEBF72FAEF@hindu.org>

We are trying to evaluate requirements for a new web server. The  
processor speed is an unknown to us, which to choose and why. I see  
lots of comments on the web for use of

Intel 4  3mgz; inter 4 3mgz HT ("Hyper threaded"); Xeon Dual

The bottom line is, if your applications *can* make use of two  
processor and are multi-threaded, then a dual processor is helpful.  
If you are not using such applications, then having a dual processor  
doesn't mean anything.

But, this assumes a high level of knowledge on the part of the  
"client" about the applications in use on the web server. If he  
doesn't know, he's still in the dark.  In this context we are only  
interested in the performance of four apps

Apache
Revolution
PHP (mod_php)
QT streaming

as it relates single or dual processors. Will any of these four put  
the second processor to work if the first one is topped out?

Since this is way OT (almost but not quite, completely) email me off  
list. Thanks!

Sivakatirswami
Himalayan Academy Publications
at Kauai's Hindu Monastery
katir at hindu.org

www.HimalayanAcademy.com,
www.HinduismToday.com
www.Gurudeva.org
www.Hindu.org




From wlists at fireworksmm.com  Sun Mar 12 16:20:01 2006
From: wlists at fireworksmm.com (Wally Rodriguez)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:20:01 -0500
Subject: .xxx files
In-Reply-To: <26b224d6c449174c3c47de6030a30a67@wanadoo.fr>
References: <26b224d6c449174c3c47de6030a30a67@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <B3ADA25F-9910-4DAD-BD05-FD81C468838E@fireworksmm.com>

I remember seeing a setting somewhere that turns off the copying of  
resource forks for drives that are not HFS+

Maybe a look at www.macosxhints.com might have some info on this.   
Can't do it myself right now...

w.

On Mar 10, 2006, at 6:03 AM, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:

> Hi Robert,
>
> Sigh ! Well I suppose that is an obvious solution
> that I hadn't even thought about.
>
> And it represents no more than five minutes of
> scripting time !
>
> Back to the drawing board ........ !
>
> Thanks
>
> -Francis
>
>
>> I more or less guessed what the files were. My problem
>> is not what they are for, but HOW TO STOP THEM FROM
>> BEING COPIED, when I move from Mac to PC. Simply
>> because they are a PAIN ! Sometimes I copy folders with 200
>> or 300 files from my Mac to my PC, and I can tell you, ignoring
>> these .xxx files is not as easy as it looks !
>>
>> -Francis
>
> A job for a nifty Rev plugin (or just a function) that zaps those
> files into oblivion given a folder path?
>
>
>
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From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Sun Mar 12 16:53:46 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:53:46 -0800
Subject: Get list of all objects on a card?
In-Reply-To: <200603121826.k2CIQBZX008823@valuworld.com>
References: <200603121826.k2CIQBZX008823@valuworld.com>
Message-ID: <4414986A.3030402@paraboliclogic.com>

Rev 2.6.1

Greetings,

I'm trying to figure out how to get a list of all objects on a card, but 
have not been able to find anything in the docs related to this.

I know how to get a list of cards in a stack with the "cardNames", but 
see no equivalent for objects on the card.  :-(

Does anyone know if there is a way accomplish this?

Thanks,
-Garrett



From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sun Mar 12 17:00:32 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 14:00:32 -0800
Subject: Get list of all objects on a card?
In-Reply-To: <4414986A.3030402@paraboliclogic.com>
References: <200603121826.k2CIQBZX008823@valuworld.com>
	<4414986A.3030402@paraboliclogic.com>
Message-ID: <p0623090dc03a4979d659@[192.168.1.103]>

local tcontrolList
get the number of controls in <obj>
repeat with n = 1 to it
   put the long name of control n of <obj> & return after tcontrolList
end repeat



the long name is quite specific and has all the info you need.

this is not tested but you can get the idea. you can then filter the 
object types by what's in the first part of each line.


>Rev 2.6.1
>
>Greetings,
>
>I'm trying to figure out how to get a list of all objects on a card, 
>but have not been able to find anything in the docs related to this.
>
>I know how to get a list of cards in a stack with the "cardNames", 
>but see no equivalent for objects on the card.  :-(
>
>Does anyone know if there is a way accomplish this?
>
>Thanks,
>-Garrett
>

-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -


From davis.phil at comcast.net  Sun Mar 12 17:03:23 2006
From: davis.phil at comcast.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 14:03:23 -0800
Subject: REV, Applescript, Javascript technique
In-Reply-To: <C0393506.35FA6%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C0393506.35FA6%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <44149AAB.3010508@comcast.net>

Jim -

Shot in the dark: Do your Safari browser settings allow the applescript 
to work as intended? Or are there some OS settings that prevent things 
from working right?

Thanks -
Phil Davis


Jim Ault wrote:
> Hope there is a simple answer to the following:
> 
> Using Rev to coordinate getting account info via the web.
> Used to work, but not does not for some strange reason.
> Rev sets the clipboard then calls...
> tell application "Safari"
>         set safariJavaCmdStr to the clipboard
>         do JavaScript safariJavaCmdStr in document 1
> end tell
> 
> Document 1 is the current web page frontmost.
> The safariJavaCmdStr is the same code as the link on the web page that opens
> a popup window when clicked to show detail.  Clicking works.
> 
> onclick=popup = window.open('','detailPopup', 'scrollbars')....more code
> 
> When this window is showing, I tell Safari to...
> 
> set sorce to the source of the front document
> then tell BBEdit to do some fancy RegEx to extract the essentials
> then back to Rev to catalog and loop to the next popup window link.
> 
> This worked 6 months ago, OSX 10.3.9 Safari Version 1.3.1 (312.3.1)
> Currently does not work on older G4, Panther 10.3.8, Rev 2.5.1
> --or--
> Now on Tiger 10.4.2 with both Safari Version 1.3.1 (312.3.1) & Version 2.0
> (412.2)
> 
> Another test was.....
> Sending the javaScript command directly from Script Editor (also fails with
> no change or message in Safari)
> 
> This is the command (watch word wrap.. all one line)...
> onclick=\"popup = window.open('','detailPopup',
> 'scrollbars');popup.blur();document.TransactionListForm.gradeNumber.value =
> 91629973; document.TransactionListForm.ticketNumber.value = 0;
> document.TransactionListForm.wagerNumber.value = 0;
> document.TransactionListForm.submit(); return
> 
> I am not conversant in JavaScript, but understand enough try for a solution
> if I had a few clues.  Is there another way to open a series of these
> 'detail popup' windows, get the source, close and do the next in a loop?
> 
> Why doesn't Applescript/Safari work with the do javaScript command?
> 
> Thanks for any guidance or help.  The manual method can work, but what a
> pain.
> 
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas



From Stgoldberg at aol.com  Sun Mar 12 17:06:48 2006
From: Stgoldberg at aol.com (Stgoldberg at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:06:48 EST
Subject: Revolution 2.7  and new Intel Macs
Message-ID: <24e.7f140f1.3145f578@aol.com>

I just got back from my local Mac store where they were demonstrating the new 
Intel Macs and tested a number of Rev standlalones I built using Rev 2.7 on 
my Mac OS X system.   I am pleased to report that all the standalones worked 
fine, including those with movies, sounds and hundreds of cards.   (I couldn't 
test unbuilt stacks, though, since I don't as yet have the player for 2.7.)
Steve Goldberg


From europe at ehug.info  Sun Mar 12 17:38:04 2006
From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 23:38:04 +0100
Subject: Get list of all objects on a card?
In-Reply-To: <4414986A.3030402@paraboliclogic.com>
References: <200603121826.k2CIQBZX008823@valuworld.com>
	<4414986A.3030402@paraboliclogic.com>
Message-ID: <4414A2CC.8030103@ehug.info>

Hi Garrett,

I posted these scripts before (mind line wraps):

getProp objects
   repeat with x = 1 to number of controls of the target
     put the name of control x of the target & return after myList
   end repeat
   sort myList
   return myList
end objects

getProp objectIDs
   repeat with x = 1 to number of controls of the target
     put the id of control x of the target & return after myList
   end repeat
   sort myList
   return myList
end objectIDs

They are not very different from Stephen's script, but they 
allow you use syntax such as:

put the objects of this cd
put the objects of grp 1

The above scripts belong either in the stack script of a stack 
in use or the main stack of your project.

Best,

Mark

Garrett Hylltun wrote:
> Rev 2.6.1
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> I'm trying to figure out how to get a list of all objects on a card, but 
> have not been able to find anything in the docs related to this.
> 
> I know how to get a list of cards in a stack with the "cardNames", but 
> see no equivalent for objects on the card.  :-(
> 
> Does anyone know if there is a way accomplish this?
> 
> Thanks,
> -Garrett

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From europe at ehug.info  Sun Mar 12 18:38:57 2006
From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 00:38:57 +0100
Subject: copy locked text
In-Reply-To: <43F23EED.5090603@hytext.com>
References: <43F23EED.5090603@hytext.com>
Message-ID: <4414B111.7050609@ehug.info>

Hi,

I know this problem was posted a month ago, but it appears that 
it was never answered.

There is a bug in the Revolution IDE that may cause the copy 
command to unhighlight any selected text. This seems not to 
happen in a standalone, though. So, before you try to create a 
workaround, build a standalone and see if the problem persists.

Best,

Mark

Jerry Muelver wrote:
> For a helpdesk application, I have fields with hyperlinks in their text. The
> fields have lockText and traversalOn both set to true, so the links will
> work. The user can mouse-drag to select text, Ctrl-C to copy (highlight
> disappears... oh, well...), and Ctrl-V in another app to paste. Perfect.
> Just what I need for helpdesk and CRM applications.
> 
> However, only the first such select-and-copy works. Select another, and when
> you paste you get the first selection. Select another, even from the field
> after is is blanked and rewritten, and you can paste only the first
> selection. Less than perfect....
> 
> I've tried "How do I allowing copying from lockText" in the Help file, which
> got me this far. Now I need, "How do I copy again?" to keep me going.

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From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Sun Mar 12 19:03:24 2006
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 19:03:24 -0500
Subject: The templateField Keyword
In-Reply-To: <20060311180003.9A2488255DB@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060311180003.9A2488255DB@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BB34CBCA-593F-4CAA-8240-BE82DB579939@videotron.ca>

Thanks for responding, Dan and Dave.

Dave,

	What you say below is not how I expect templateField to work based  
on its description.  I thought that setting the templateField was a  
one-time thing and that it remained in effect until it was reset.   
Your handler based on the createField message would seem to make  
templateField unnecessary because you're changing the style of newly  
created fields using a script after they've been created, whereas the  
point of templateField is to set those properties before.  Am I  
misunderstanding what you've intended?  Incidentally, I was  
introduced to templateField by another member on this list shortly  
before 2.7 was released; I dabbled with it briefly, and it seemed to  
work fine with 2.6, although Dan writes that it doesn't work in that  
version either.

	Regards,

	Greg

On Sat, Mar 11, 2006, at 1:00 PM, use-revolution- 
request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> On 9 Mar 2006, at 19:41, Gregory Lypny wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I tried to create a field template using the templateField keyword,
>> but it doesn't seem to work.  When I use the handler below, the
>> text in newly created fields is Lucida Grande, but the size is 11
>> instead of 12, and the height is 14 instead of 18.  What am I doing
>> wrong?
>>
>> 	Regards,
>>
>> 		Gregory
>>
>> on openStack
>>   set the textFont of the templateField to "Lucida Grande"
>>   set the textSize of the templateField to 12
>>   set the fixedLineHeight of the templateField to true
>>   set the textHeight of the templateField to 18
>> end openStack
>
> Are these newly created fields made by using the Rev tool palette?
> I'd assume that Rev sets the templateField every time you create a
> field. That would explainwhat you see.
>
> To create fields using templateField settings of your own, you need
> to use "create field" before anything else can change the
> templateField again. Something like this:
>
>
>     on createField
>       set the textFont of the templateField to "Lucida Grande"
>       set the textSize of the templateField to 12
>       set the fixedLineHeight of the templateField to true
>       set the textHeight of the templateField to 18
>       create field
>       reset the templateField
>     end createField
>
> Cheers
> Dave
>



From liamlambert at mac.com  Sun Mar 12 19:52:14 2006
From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 00:52:14 +0000
Subject: random
Message-ID: <80D41C37-B21D-4CAC-A261-A5506C522515@mac.com>

I have this code for a random number in 6
fld's how do I stop the same number form appearing
in more then one fld

put "1a,2a,3a,4a,5a,6a" into tFieldNames
  repeat for each item tfield in tFieldNames
   put the random of 45 into trandom
   put trandom into fld tfield
   end repeat

Liam Lambert
liamlambert at mac.com
IRELAND




From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun Mar 12 20:09:23 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 11:09:23 +1000
Subject: random
In-Reply-To: <80D41C37-B21D-4CAC-A261-A5506C522515@mac.com>
References: <80D41C37-B21D-4CAC-A261-A5506C522515@mac.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603121709i123f642al6af67eb8eb8c5e4d@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/13/06, liamlambert <liamlambert at mac.com> wrote:
> I have this code for a random number in 6
> fld's how do I stop the same number form appearing
> in more then one fld
>
> put "1a,2a,3a,4a,5a,6a" into tFieldNames
>   repeat for each item tfield in tFieldNames
>    put the random of 45 into trandom
>    put trandom into fld tfield
>    end repeat
>

This is the sort of question that always produces lots of methods, but
here's one possibility:

-- build a list of the numbers from 1 to 45
put empty into tNumberList
repeat with x = 1 to 45
  put x & cr after tNumberList
end repeat

-- sort this list randomly
sort lines of tNumberList by random(10000)

-- use the first 6 numbers to fill your fields
put "1a,2a,3a,4a,5a,6a" into tFieldNames
repeat for each item tfield in tFieldNames
  put line 1 of tNumberList into fld tfield
  delete line 1 of tNumberList
end repeat

Cheers,
Sarah


From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Sun Mar 12 20:40:34 2006
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:40:34 -0800
Subject: random
In-Reply-To: <80D41C37-B21D-4CAC-A261-A5506C522515@mac.com>
References: <80D41C37-B21D-4CAC-A261-A5506C522515@mac.com>
Message-ID: <695695E8-FCC7-4E2C-86FC-7A3C98F66D6F@elementarysoftware.com>

Try this:

on mouseUp
   put "1a,2a,3a,4a,5a,6a" into tFieldNames
   put empty into tNumList
   repeat for each item tfield in tFieldNames
     put the random of 45 into tRandom
     repeat forever
       if tRandom is not among the items of tNumList then
         put tRandom & comma after tNumList
         put tRandom into fld tfield
         exit repeat
       end if
       put the random of 45 into tRandom -- that number didn't work  
so try another
     end repeat
   end repeat
end mouseUp


-Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust !)
web     http://elementarysoftware.com/
email   scott at elementarysoftware.com

-----------------------------------------------------------------

On Mar 12, 2006, at 4:52 PM, liamlambert wrote:

> I have this code for a random number in 6
> fld's how do I stop the same number form appearing
> in more then one fld
>
> put "1a,2a,3a,4a,5a,6a" into tFieldNames
>  repeat for each item tfield in tFieldNames
>   put the random of 45 into trandom
>   put trandom into fld tfield
>   end repeat
>
> Liam Lambert
> liamlambert at mac.com
> IRELAND
>
>
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sun Mar 12 20:48:36 2006
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 09:48:36 +0800
Subject: Bug 744 - Incorrect Window Scroll on MacOS
Message-ID: <f73a98160603121748t6f4691b0qe4aee39e032fa938@mail.gmail.com>

OSX .4.5, Rev 2.6.1

I've just added menubars to the half dozen substacks I have.

I thought I was very clever, reviewed Jeane DeVoto's excellent 'Menu's'
scripting conference, then wrote a quick handler in the message box to
repeat through each substack, add 21 pixels to it's height, copy the
'Standard' group from the mainstack to the substack, then set the menubar to
"Standard".

Worked like a charm. Until I closed and reopend the substacks. Each one now
has a 21 pixel white band at the bottom. I tried to fix it by manually
buidling the menus using Menu Builder but no change - It all appears to do
it's thing, creates the buttons at the top of the stack then move everything
up the appropriate amount to hide them when 'Set as Menu Bar on Mac OS" is
selected. But if I close and reopen the substack the bottom 21 pixels are
blank.

A search with RevZilla came up with Bug 744. It is spot on what happens.
This was reported for version 2.1 but it appears to be still open as the
status remains as New! I see Jacque made a few comments.

Here is the listed recipe to make it happen and a workaround by Tuviah
Snyder:
------
ok here is the final recipe to trigger this bug. set the decorations to some
decorations and then set the
decorations to something else in the preopenstack. close and save the stack,
close revolution. open
revolution, reopen the stack and it happens. You can fix this by either
setting the decorations of the
stack before saving it to a standalone..or moving the line which changes the
decorations to openstack.
------

Well that's great except I don't set any stack decorations in a script. They
are all just their default when each substack was created.

So anyone know how to fix this problem?

Thanks in advance.


From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Sun Mar 12 21:11:28 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:11:28 -0800
Subject: Problem getting the text of an object on another stack and card
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160603121748t6f4691b0qe4aee39e032fa938@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f73a98160603121748t6f4691b0qe4aee39e032fa938@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4414D4D0.6050900@paraboliclogic.com>

Rev 2.6.1

Greetings,

I can get the name of the stack, list the cards of that stack, and list 
the objects of the card(s).  But when I try to apply code for getting 
the text of one of the objects I get the following error:

compiling at 5:48:47 PM
Type	Commands: missing ','
Object	ObjectsList
Line	put the text of varTempObject of card varTempCard of stack 
varTempStack into varTempResult
Hint	into


The line of code is this:

put the text of varTempObject of card varTempCard of stack varTempStack 
into varTempResult

varTempStack holds the name of the stack, varTempCard holds the name of 
the card.  varTempObject holds the type and name of the object, such as:

button "Button1"

So the line of the code in question would look like this:

put the text of button "Button1" of card "MainCard" of stack "MainStack" 
into varTempResult

And I don't understand the error at all.  I am not aware of having to 
add any comma in this situation.

Does anyone understand this?  Or can someone tell me if I am coding this 
wrong?

Thanks,
-Garrett


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Mar 12 21:16:27 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:16:27 -0600
Subject: The templateField Keyword
In-Reply-To: <BB34CBCA-593F-4CAA-8240-BE82DB579939@videotron.ca>
References: <20060311180003.9A2488255DB@mail.runrev.com>
	<BB34CBCA-593F-4CAA-8240-BE82DB579939@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <4414D5FB.4050802@hyperactivesw.com>

Gregory Lypny wrote:
> I thought that setting the templateField was a  
> one-time thing and that it remained in effect until it was reset. 

Right. If you build a standalone or suspend the IDE, you should see the 
behavior you describe. However, the IDE resets the templatefield, 
templateButton, etc. when you choose an item from the toolbar during 
development. So while developing, you may see it change.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Mar 12 21:22:21 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:22:21 -0600
Subject: MIDI-USB Input & Rev Media?
In-Reply-To: <p06230901c039e8ef0d2b@[192.168.183.2]>
References: <p06230901c039e8ef0d2b@[192.168.183.2]>
Message-ID: <4414D75D.6090702@hyperactivesw.com>

Peter Reid wrote:
> I'm thinking of doing a project with my son that involves connecting an 
> electronic drum kit up to his iBook (running OS X 10.4.x) via a USB-MIDI 
> interface.  What he wants to do is sense drum beats and display 
> different images and play different sounds based on what drum pads the 
> user strikes. In particular, he wants to sense a drum beat and use that 
> as a trigger to change the images on display and stop/start different 
> sound tracks.
> 
> Firstly, can anyone point me in the right direction for sensing the drum 
> input via a USB-MIDI adapter.

I'm not sure you can yet, since Rev can't read the USB port. There's 
been some demand for this, and at one point I thought Altuit was working 
on an external to do it, but I can't recall now if it ever got finished. 
Chipp?

> Secondly, could this project be done using the new Rev Media product? I 
> have a full Enterprise licence, but my son doesn't have a licence for 
> Rev and yet he'd like to be involved in the actual programming. So he'll 
> need a Rev licence as well.  As he's a student, he hasn't got a lot of 
> spare cash and so Rev Media would be ideal, rather than having to buy 
> Rev Studio (there doesn't seem to be a single-user educational price for 
> Studio).  However, can this be done with Rev Media or are there too many 
> restrictions for this type of project?

If you can overcome the USB port problem then I think Media would work 
fine.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From davis.phil at comcast.net  Sun Mar 12 21:36:57 2006
From: davis.phil at comcast.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:36:57 -0800
Subject: Problem getting the text of an object on another stack and card
In-Reply-To: <4414D4D0.6050900@paraboliclogic.com>
References: <f73a98160603121748t6f4691b0qe4aee39e032fa938@mail.gmail.com>
	<4414D4D0.6050900@paraboliclogic.com>
Message-ID: <4414DAC9.2090504@comcast.net>

Hi Garrett,

I sometimes see this too. I'm sure there must be a definitive cause of 
it, but I don't have a definitive fix for you - maybe someone else will. 
In the mean time...

You can try helping Rev understand your code by giving it hints with 
parentheses, like this (watch line wraps):

put (the text of varTempObject of card varTempCard of stack 
varTempStack) into varTempResult

-- or break the problem statement into a couple of lines:

get (the text of varTempObject of card varTempCard of stack varTempStack)
put it into varTempResult


HTH -
Phil Davis


Garrett Hylltun wrote:
> Rev 2.6.1
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> I can get the name of the stack, list the cards of that stack, and list 
> the objects of the card(s).  But when I try to apply code for getting 
> the text of one of the objects I get the following error:
> 
> compiling at 5:48:47 PM
> Type    Commands: missing ','
> Object    ObjectsList
> Line    put the text of varTempObject of card varTempCard of stack 
> varTempStack into varTempResult
> Hint    into
> 
> 
> The line of code is this:
> 
> put the text of varTempObject of card varTempCard of stack varTempStack 
> into varTempResult
> 
> varTempStack holds the name of the stack, varTempCard holds the name of 
> the card.  varTempObject holds the type and name of the object, such as:
> 
> button "Button1"
> 
> So the line of the code in question would look like this:
> 
> put the text of button "Button1" of card "MainCard" of stack "MainStack" 
> into varTempResult
> 
> And I don't understand the error at all.  I am not aware of having to 
> add any comma in this situation.
> 
> Does anyone understand this?  Or can someone tell me if I am coding this 
> wrong?
> 
> Thanks,
> -Garrett
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From nicolas_cueto at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 12 23:22:25 2006
From: nicolas_cueto at yahoo.com (N Cueto)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:22:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [OT] cgi, rev/mc & signal 6
In-Reply-To: <4414D75D.6090702@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <20060313042225.54530.qmail@web60618.mail.yahoo.com>

Sorry for posting this here.

For years I had been using 
mc for cgi work thru my 
webhost's server, but this
all stopped after completing
a package upgrade last week.

Looking into reasons why, Ken 
Ray's cgi+mc/rev advise-page 
suggests (via Andu) using ldd 
to find whether any Apache 
shared libraries that mc needs
are missing.

The result of trying the ldd mc
command line was:

  mc:
  
  mc: signal 6

A google search informs me that
"signal 6" indicates a terminated
process, but that's not enough
of a clue for me to figure out
what the next step might be.

Any suggestions would be welcome. 

Thank you.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sun Mar 12 23:24:29 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:24:29 -0800
Subject: Problem getting the text of an object on another stack and card
In-Reply-To: <4414D4D0.6050900@paraboliclogic.com>
References: <f73a98160603121748t6f4691b0qe4aee39e032fa938@mail.gmail.com>
	<4414D4D0.6050900@paraboliclogic.com>
Message-ID: <p0623090fc03aa3db057b@[192.168.1.103]>

I see you are using a variable for the object.
If this is in a loop of many objects, remember that some objects 
don't have a text property and that will throw an error.

sqb


>Rev 2.6.1
>
>Greetings,
>
>I can get the name of the stack, list the cards of that stack, and 
>list the objects of the card(s).  But when I try to apply code for 
>getting the text of one of the objects I get the following error:
>
>compiling at 5:48:47 PM
>Type	Commands: missing ','
>Object	ObjectsList
>Line	put the text of varTempObject of card varTempCard of stack 
>varTempStack into varTempResult
>Hint	into
>
>
>The line of code is this:
>
>put the text of varTempObject of card varTempCard of stack 
>varTempStack into varTempResult
>
>varTempStack holds the name of the stack, varTempCard holds the name 
>of the card.  varTempObject holds the type and name of the object, 
>such as:
>
>button "Button1"
>
>So the line of the code in question would look like this:
>
>put the text of button "Button1" of card "MainCard" of stack 
>"MainStack" into varTempResult
>
>And I don't understand the error at all.  I am not aware of having 
>to add any comma in this situation.
>
>Does anyone understand this?  Or can someone tell me if I am coding 
>this wrong?
>
>Thanks,
>-Garrett

-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -


From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Sun Mar 12 23:37:04 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:37:04 -0800
Subject: The templateField Keyword
In-Reply-To: <BB34CBCA-593F-4CAA-8240-BE82DB579939@videotron.ca>
References: <20060311180003.9A2488255DB@mail.runrev.com>
	<BB34CBCA-593F-4CAA-8240-BE82DB579939@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603122037r171f4709sb75fcab05e7527f6@mail.gmail.com>

In fact, as I think I posted earlier, you need not reset the templateField
after use. As long as you don't change any values in the templateField
between uses, you can set it once and then create as many fields as you want
that follow its pattern, *provided* you use the 'create field' command and
not the IDE tool.



On 3/12/06, Gregory Lypny <gregory.lypny at videotron.ca> wrote:
>
> Thanks for responding, Dan and Dave.
>
> Dave,
>
>         What you say below is not how I expect templateField to work based
> on its description.  I thought that setting the templateField was a
> one-time thing and that it remained in effect until it was reset.
> Your handler based on the createField message would seem to make
> templateField unnecessary because you're changing the style of newly
> created fields using a script after they've been created, whereas the
> point of templateField is to set those properties before.  Am I
> misunderstanding what you've intended?  Incidentally, I was
> introduced to templateField by another member on this list shortly
> before 2.7 was released; I dabbled with it briefly, and it seemed to
> work fine with 2.6, although Dan writes that it doesn't work in that
> version either.
>
>         Regards,
>
>         Greg
>
> On Sat, Mar 11, 2006, at 1:00 PM, use-revolution-
> request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
>
> > On 9 Mar 2006, at 19:41, Gregory Lypny wrote:
> >
> >> Hello everyone,
> >>
> >> I tried to create a field template using the templateField keyword,
> >> but it doesn't seem to work.  When I use the handler below, the
> >> text in newly created fields is Lucida Grande, but the size is 11
> >> instead of 12, and the height is 14 instead of 18.  What am I doing
> >> wrong?
> >>
> >>      Regards,
> >>
> >>              Gregory
> >>
> >> on openStack
> >>   set the textFont of the templateField to "Lucida Grande"
> >>   set the textSize of the templateField to 12
> >>   set the fixedLineHeight of the templateField to true
> >>   set the textHeight of the templateField to 18
> >> end openStack
> >
> > Are these newly created fields made by using the Rev tool palette?
> > I'd assume that Rev sets the templateField every time you create a
> > field. That would explainwhat you see.
> >
> > To create fields using templateField settings of your own, you need
> > to use "create field" before anything else can change the
> > templateField again. Something like this:
> >
> >
> >     on createField
> >       set the textFont of the templateField to "Lucida Grande"
> >       set the textSize of the templateField to 12
> >       set the fixedLineHeight of the templateField to true
> >       set the textHeight of the templateField to 18
> >       create field
> >       reset the templateField
> >     end createField
> >
> > Cheers
> > Dave
> >
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Mar 13 01:00:55 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 00:00:55 -0600
Subject: [OT] cgi, rev/mc & signal 6
In-Reply-To: <20060313042225.54530.qmail@web60618.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060313042225.54530.qmail@web60618.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <44150A97.7090504@hyperactivesw.com>

N Cueto wrote:
> Sorry for posting this here.
> 
> For years I had been using 
> mc for cgi work thru my 
> webhost's server, but this
> all stopped after completing
> a package upgrade last week.
> 
> Looking into reasons why, Ken 
> Ray's cgi+mc/rev advise-page 
> suggests (via Andu) using ldd 
> to find whether any Apache 
> shared libraries that mc needs
> are missing.
> 
> The result of trying the ldd mc
> command line was:
> 
>   mc:
>   
>   mc: signal 6
> 
> A google search informs me that
> "signal 6" indicates a terminated
> process, but that's not enough
> of a clue for me to figure out
> what the next step might be.

There should be info about the reason for the termination in the system 
error log. Most hosting companies let you see that via a control panel 
or similar.

-- 
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From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Mon Mar 13 01:12:38 2006
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 22:12:38 -0800
Subject: Problem getting the text of an object on another stack and card
In-Reply-To: <4414D4D0.6050900@paraboliclogic.com>
References: <f73a98160603121748t6f4691b0qe4aee39e032fa938@mail.gmail.com>
	<4414D4D0.6050900@paraboliclogic.com>
Message-ID: <6373341C-9A60-4EAB-9B26-E60AC1F1824C@inspiredlogic.com>


On Mar 12, 2006, at 6:11 PM, Garrett Hylltun wrote:

> The line of code is this:
>
> put the text of varTempObject of card varTempCard of stack  
> varTempStack into varTempResult
>
> varTempStack holds the name of the stack, varTempCard holds the  
> name of the card.  varTempObject holds the type and name of the  
> object, such as:
>
> button "Button1"
>
> So the line of the code in question would look like this:
>
> put the text of button "Button1" of card "MainCard" of stack  
> "MainStack" into varTempResult

I don't believe you can use this syntax. Putting

button "Button1"

into a variable "tButton" and then saying

put the text of tButton of card tCard

won't work.

You can put the name of the button into tButton and then say

put the text of button tButton of card tCard

etc.

Or you can put the full reference into a variable. For example, this  
will work:

put the long id of button "Button1" into tID
put the text of tID

regards,

Geoff


From a.calloway at callowaygreen.com  Mon Mar 13 02:31:20 2006
From: a.calloway at callowaygreen.com (Andy Calloway)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 07:31:20 -0000
Subject: Deleting A Card
Message-ID: <004601c64670$2067c1b0$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>

Hiya all,
 
I'm still just playing with RunRev, but I've come across what appears to be
a problem. I created a mainstack and added seven cards (just running through
the tutorials). I've now come to do something proper with them but I can't
delete any of the cards.
 
I move to the card I want to delete, choose object-> delete card, say 'yes',
but nothing happens. A bug or am I missing something peculiar to RunRev?
 
Andy.


From paulclaude at postino.it  Mon Mar 13 02:46:14 2006
From: paulclaude at postino.it (Paul Claude)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 08:46:14 +0100
Subject: Font character shape
In-Reply-To: <C0384C46.354BD%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <C03AE1D6.4228%paulclaude@postino.it>

Mac Os X, system 10.3.9, custom windowshape, no text antialiasing.

Ok, the bug is exactly as you told. I hope Rev developers will correct this
in next update.

Greetings

Paul Claude


on 11-03-2006 18:43, Scott Rossi at scott at tactilemedia.com wrote:

> What platform/system version?  Does your stack have a custom windowshape?
> 
> There appears to be a bug with text antialiasing in Rev 2.7, on Mac OS X
> 10.3.9 -- specifically the text antialiasing gets removed.  The bug does not
> appear to be present on more recent systems.  The Rev developers are aware
> of this.




From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Mon Mar 13 03:29:47 2006
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 08:29:47 +0000
Subject: The templateField Keyword
In-Reply-To: <BB34CBCA-593F-4CAA-8240-BE82DB579939@videotron.ca>
References: <20060311180003.9A2488255DB@mail.runrev.com>
	<BB34CBCA-593F-4CAA-8240-BE82DB579939@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <E9692A8C-E96D-4E4B-B2B6-A9664BDEBED7@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 13 Mar 2006, at 00:03, Gregory Lypny wrote:
>
> 	What you say below is not how I expect templateField to work based  
> on its description.  I thought that setting the templateField was a  
> one-time thing and that it remained in effect until it was reset.   
> Your handler based on the createField message would seem to make  
> templateField unnecessary because you're changing the style of  
> newly created fields using a script after they've been created,  
> whereas the point of templateField is to set those properties  
> before.  Am I misunderstanding what you've intended?


I think Dan's reply clears it up. There's no need to reset the  
templateField, although I learned it was a "good idea" back when I  
started with Metacard, and so have followed that advice like a good  
boy. ;-) I think the idea is that by immediately resetting the  
templatexxxxx, you don't leave any surprises around for the next time  
you create an object. But if you're solely in charge of what gets  
created, then I guess it doesn't matter.

The main point I wanted to make was that you should use "create  
field" in your own script to get a field that follows the template  
settings you have made. I don't think you can rely on the tool  
palette in the IDE to respect the settings you have made. I say this  
without knowing how the tool palette creates objects; I was just  
assuming it was likely to set the templateField itself before doing  
so. I also wasn't sure what the palette does after it has created an  
object, but Dan's reply suggests it sets back to the state it was in  
before.

Sorry for any confusion.

Dave



From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Mon Mar 13 03:32:58 2006
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 08:32:58 +0000
Subject: Deleting A Card
In-Reply-To: <004601c64670$2067c1b0$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>
References: <004601c64670$2067c1b0$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>
Message-ID: <B69DD10A-120B-4B87-891F-46B0394A7397@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 13 Mar 2006, at 07:31, Andy Calloway wrote:

> Hiya all,
>
> I'm still just playing with RunRev, but I've come across what  
> appears to be
> a problem. I created a mainstack and added seven cards (just  
> running through
> the tutorials). I've now come to do something proper with them but  
> I can't
> delete any of the cards.
>
> I move to the card I want to delete, choose object-> delete card,  
> say 'yes',
> but nothing happens. A bug or am I missing something peculiar to  
> RunRev?
>

Check whether you have the cantDelete property of the card set. You  
can see this in the card property inspector (Object menu -> Card  
Inspector)

Cheers
Dave


From a.calloway at callowaygreen.com  Mon Mar 13 03:57:37 2006
From: a.calloway at callowaygreen.com (Andy Calloway)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 08:57:37 -0000
Subject: Deleting A Card
In-Reply-To: <B69DD10A-120B-4B87-891F-46B0394A7397@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000301c6467c$2d71ce80$0200a8c0@ACERLaptop>

Nope, that's not set. 

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Dave Cragg
Sent: 13 March 2006 08:33
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Deleting A Card


On 13 Mar 2006, at 07:31, Andy Calloway wrote:

> Hiya all,
>
> I'm still just playing with RunRev, but I've come across what appears 
> to be a problem. I created a mainstack and added seven cards (just 
> running through the tutorials). I've now come to do something proper 
> with them but I can't delete any of the cards.
>
> I move to the card I want to delete, choose object-> delete card, say 
> 'yes', but nothing happens. A bug or am I missing something peculiar 
> to RunRev?
>

Check whether you have the cantDelete property of the card set. You can see
this in the card property inspector (Object menu -> Card
Inspector)

Cheers
Dave
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From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Mon Mar 13 04:37:41 2006
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9.Bisseret?=)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:37:41 +0100
Subject: copy locked text
In-Reply-To: <4414B111.7050609@ehug.info>
Message-ID: <0443777F-B275-11DA-9426-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>

Hi !
I just had the same problem as Jerry and I posted a question a couple 
of days ago ;

Have a look at the thread "copy from a locked, focusable fld under 
Windows"

Nice ideas and solutions have been posted there, from Jonathan Linch, 
Wilhelm Sanke, Jim Ault and Chipp Walter.

Best regards from Grenoble
Andr?

Le Monday, 13 Mar 2006, ? 00:38 Europe/Paris, Mark Schonewille a ?crit :

> Hi,
>
> I know this problem was posted a month ago, but it appears that it was 
> never answered.
>
> There is a bug in the Revolution IDE that may cause the copy command 
> to unhighlight any selected text. This seems not to happen in a 
> standalone, though. So, before you try to create a workaround, build a 
> standalone and see if the problem persists.
>
> Best,
>
> Mark
>
> Jerry Muelver wrote:
>> For a helpdesk application, I have fields with hyperlinks in their 
>> text. The
>> fields have lockText and traversalOn both set to true, so the links 
>> will
>> work. The user can mouse-drag to select text, Ctrl-C to copy 
>> (highlight
>> disappears... oh, well...), and Ctrl-V in another app to paste. 
>> Perfect.
>> Just what I need for helpdesk and CRM applications.
>> However, only the first such select-and-copy works. Select another, 
>> and when
>> you paste you get the first selection. Select another, even from the 
>> field
>> after is is blanked and rewritten, and you can paste only the first
>> selection. Less than perfect....
>> I've tried "How do I allowing copying from lockText" in the Help 
>> file, which
>> got me this far. Now I need, "How do I copy again?" to keep me going.
>




From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Mon Mar 13 05:46:25 2006
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:46:25 +0000
Subject: Turning imageData into alphaData (quickly)?
Message-ID: <2C26FAC1-3B43-4E65-B5E6-CFE809FF619E@azurevision.co.uk>

Hi all, I've been lurking for a few years, but not posted for some  
time...

I'm doing quite a lot of stuff generating PNGs with transparency, and  
wondered if there is any fast way to combine an 'image' img and a  
'transparency' img?
A handler that goes through each RGB pixel and reduce it to a  
grayscale value for use as alphaData was pretty easy, but for a  
200x200px image that's 40,000 repeats, and takes minutes on a G5.

on maskStuff
   put the seconds into tStart
   put "" into tMaskData
   put the imageData of img "mask" into tImgData
   put number of chars of tImgData / 4 & return into fld "status"
   lock screen
   repeat with x = 1 to ((number of chars of tImgData) / 4)
     if the mouse is down then exit to top
     put charToNum(char (x*4)-2 of tImgData) into tR
     put charToNum(char (x*4)-1 of tImgData) into tG
     put charToNum(char (x*4) of tImgData) into tB
     put the round of ((tR + tG + tB)/3) into tM
     put numToChar(tM) after tMaskData
     --put tM & return after fld "status"
   end repeat
   unlock screen
   put the seconds - tStart after fld "status"
end maskStuff

As the project is currently on a Mac I can use AppleScripts to do it  
all in Photoshop from two exported images (and makes it easy to add  
drop-shadows), but for future cross-platform use this is a no-no.

Any ideas for a faster way? Cross-platform command-line tools?

Ian Wood
Panoramic photography, from web to billboard, sunrise to moonrise
http://www.landmarksofbritain.co.uk
http://www.azurevision.co.uk


P.S. OS X 10.4.5, Rev 2.7 (haven't gone back and tried in 2.6 yet).


From sims at ezpzapps.com  Mon Mar 13 05:45:44 2006
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 11:45:44 +0100
Subject: activate
Message-ID: <p0620070bc03afccbcfd9@[10.0.0.27]>

On a Mac I can use the applescript:

tell application "myApp"
	activate
end tell

to bring to the front an application (make it pop out in
front of all other open application windows).

On Windows is there some way to do the same?
Some shell script perhaps?

Might there even be some shell script that would work with
both OS X and Windows?

ciao,
sims

European Rev Conference  2006
www.techietours.com


From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Mon Mar 13 05:53:10 2006
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9.Bisseret?=)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 11:53:10 +0100
Subject: copy from a locked, focusable fld under Windows
In-Reply-To: <31e1938c0603101516i3493bc03v50743fb1f77e08ae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8FE922A2-B27F-11DA-9426-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>


Thanks a lot to Jonathan, Wilhelm, Jim and Chipp for their very useful 
ideas and solutions.

I confirm that here (G4, OSX, 10.2.8 -RR 2.6.1) neither "command c" nor 
"command C" is working (; but as Wilhelm said "Copy text" from Edit 
menu works.
Meanwhile, "command v" as well as "command V" works.

The following handler works on Mac, keeping the html form :

on copySelection
   if the selection is empty then   -- there is no selection then
    answer "No selected text"
    exit copySelection
  else
    copy the selectedText
    answer "The selected text is in the clipboard"
    end if
end copier

In order to try on Windows, I made another button, and I intercepted 
"command c"  using the handler of Jonathan (below).

Nevertheless, I needed to replace  the line "if the selectedfield <> 
empty then" by "if the selection is empty then" (or "if the 
selectedText is empty" as well).
The reason is that a single click in the field (without any text 
selected) is setting "the selectedfield <> empty" to true (so that it 
is reporting "The selected text is in the clipboard" and then copying 
nothing).

I have not had the opportunity to test that on Windows yet.
I will inform you about the results as soon as I would have done it :-)


Best regards from Grenoble
Andr?



Le Saturday, 11 Mar 2006, ? 00:16 Europe/Paris, Jonathan Lynch a ?crit :

> This is how I would up doing it:
>
> on RawKeyDown pKey
>   if (pKey = 99 or pKey = 67) and the commandkey is down then
>     if the selectedfield <> empty then
>       put the selection into tSel
>       put the htmltext of the selection into tSelHtml
>       set the clipboarddata["text"] to tSel
>       set the clipboarddata["html"] to tSelHtml
>       select the selectedchunk
>       exit rawkeydown
>     end if
>   end if
>   pass rawkeydown
> end rawkeydown
>
> This is adapted from a the rawkeydown handler in taskmage, which does a
> bunch of other stuff that does not need to be included here.
>
> I find this script works well, and allows you to copy both formatted 
> and
> unformatted text so that it can be copied from a rev application and 
> pasted
> into any other application.
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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Mon Mar 13 05:53:55 2006
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:53:55 +0000
Subject: activate
In-Reply-To: <p0620070bc03afccbcfd9@[10.0.0.27]>
References: <p0620070bc03afccbcfd9@[10.0.0.27]>
Message-ID: <CA2C73A8-8C8C-47F1-9949-66235FE90C84@azurevision.co.uk>

Have a look in the Docs for the 'launch' command which will work on  
both platforms if the app isn't already running, but it also  
mentions  get shell("start MyProgram.exe") for Windows which might work.

Ian

On 13 Mar 2006, at 10:45, sims wrote:

> On a Mac I can use the applescript:
>
> tell application "myApp"
> 	activate
> end tell
>
> to bring to the front an application (make it pop out in
> front of all other open application windows).
>
> On Windows is there some way to do the same?
> Some shell script perhaps?
>
> Might there even be some shell script that would work with
> both OS X and Windows?
>
> ciao,
> sims
>
> European Rev Conference  2006
> www.techietours.com
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From sims at ezpzapps.com  Mon Mar 13 06:00:43 2006
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:00:43 +0100
Subject: Turning imageData into alphaData (quickly)?
In-Reply-To: <2C26FAC1-3B43-4E65-B5E6-CFE809FF619E@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <2C26FAC1-3B43-4E65-B5E6-CFE809FF619E@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <p0620070cc03b010dcf31@[10.0.0.27]>

>Hi all, I've been lurking for a few years, but not posted for some time...
>
>I'm doing quite a lot of stuff generating PNGs with transparency, 
>and wondered if there is any fast way to combine an 'image' img and 
>a 'transparency' img?
>A handler that goes through each RGB pixel and reduce it to a 
>grayscale value for use as alphaData was pretty easy, but for a 
>200x200px image that's 40,000 repeats, and takes minutes on a G5.

Perhaps the following might help?
Also, I think Chipp has done some work along those lines.

I have uploaded a series of images created with the "ImageData Toolkit",
which is a modified version of my "Colorpattern Toolkit"
(<http://www.sanke.org/ImageDataArt>).


ciao,
sims

European Rev Conference  2006
www.techietours.com


From sims at ezpzapps.com  Mon Mar 13 06:02:52 2006
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:02:52 +0100
Subject: activate
In-Reply-To: <CA2C73A8-8C8C-47F1-9949-66235FE90C84@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <p0620070bc03afccbcfd9@[10.0.0.27]>
	<CA2C73A8-8C8C-47F1-9949-66235FE90C84@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <p0620070dc03b0163e342@[10.0.0.27]>

>Have a look in the Docs for the 'launch' command which will work on 
>both platforms if the app isn't already running, but it also 
>mentions  get shell("start MyProgram.exe") for Windows which might 
>work.
>
>Ian

Thanks Ian, my app will already be open so 'launch' will not do it for the Mac.

I'll will look into the shell you mention...unless someone knows a 
better way...


ciao,
sims

European Rev Conference  2006
www.techietours.com


From Cubist at aol.com  Mon Mar 13 08:36:54 2006
From: Cubist at aol.com (Cubist at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 08:36:54 EST
Subject: random
Message-ID: <27c.6ffd0a0.3146cf76@aol.com>

In a message dated 3/13/06 2:49:16 AM, liamlambert <liamlambert at mac.com> 
writes:
>I have this code for a random number in 6
>fld's how do I stop the same number form appearing
>in more then one fld
   As Ms. Reichelt noted, this is one of those questions that tends to 
attract a wide variety of answers... and here is mine.

  put "1a,2a,3a,4a,5a,6a" into tFieldNames

  # build list of numbers
  put "" into DisList
  repeat with K1 = 1 to 45
    put K1 into item K1 of DisList
  end repeat

  #shuffle the list
  repeat 20
    put the random of 45 into Fred
    put item Fred ofDisList & "," before DisList
    delete item (Fred + 1) of DisList
  end repeat
  # for general-purpose scrambling, you might want to repeat this more than 
20 times.
  # in this case, however, we're only interested in the first six items. 
therefore,
  # 20 times should be (more than?) enough

  # put the first six items of DisList into the six fields
  repeat with K1 = 1 to the number of items in tFieldNames
    put item K1 of DisList into fld (item K1 of tFieldNames)
  end repeat


From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Mon Mar 13 08:47:05 2006
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 08:47:05 -0500
Subject: The templateField Keyword
In-Reply-To: <20060313094845.AE8C1825223@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060313094845.AE8C1825223@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <6CDF6CC4-C235-4BDA-B22A-12A7B53400D7@videotron.ca>

Thanks once again, Dan, Dave, and Jacqueline.  I think I get it.   
When all is said and done, it seems that for development it's easier  
and faster to create a little stack of fields and other things with  
the features I want and simply copy and paste them into the project  
I'm working on.

	Gregory

On Mon, Mar 13, 2006, at 4:48 AM, Dave Cragg wrote:

> On 13 Mar 2006, at 00:03, Gregory Lypny wrote:
>>
>> 	What you say below is not how I expect templateField to work based
>> on its description.  I thought that setting the templateField was a
>> one-time thing and that it remained in effect until it was reset.
>> Your handler based on the createField message would seem to make
>> templateField unnecessary because you're changing the style of
>> newly created fields using a script after they've been created,
>> whereas the point of templateField is to set those properties
>> before.  Am I misunderstanding what you've intended?
>
>
> I think Dan's reply clears it up. There's no need to reset the
> templateField, although I learned it was a "good idea" back when I
> started with Metacard, and so have followed that advice like a good
> boy. ;-) I think the idea is that by immediately resetting the
> templatexxxxx, you don't leave any surprises around for the next time
> you create an object. But if you're solely in charge of what gets
> created, then I guess it doesn't matter.
>
> The main point I wanted to make was that you should use "create
> field" in your own script to get a field that follows the template
> settings you have made. I don't think you can rely on the tool
> palette in the IDE to respect the settings you have made. I say this
> without knowing how the tool palette creates objects; I was just
> assuming it was likely to set the templateField itself before doing
> so. I also wasn't sure what the palette does after it has created an
> object, but Dan's reply suggests it sets back to the state it was in
> before.



From paulclaude at postino.it  Mon Mar 13 09:23:40 2006
From: paulclaude at postino.it (Paul Claude)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 15:23:40 +0100
Subject: Add your app to login items (Mac)
Message-ID: <C03B3EFC.423B%paulclaude@postino.it>

There is a way to do a script that may add or delete your app to Mac "Login
Items" (to auto run your app at Mac startup)?

I know that you could read/write the loginwindow.plist, but there is a more
simple way? I don't like to adopt and study complex XML libraries only for
this target.

Greetings

Paul Claude




From klaus at major-k.de  Mon Mar 13 09:40:28 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 15:40:28 +0100
Subject: Add your app to login items (Mac)
In-Reply-To: <C03B3EFC.423B%paulclaude@postino.it>
References: <C03B3EFC.423B%paulclaude@postino.it>
Message-ID: <495A8117-DD22-4553-A3D7-B9A2B56D24E9@major-k.de>

Bonjour Paul,

> There is a way to do a script that may add or delete your app to  
> Mac "Login
> Items" (to auto run your app at Mac startup)?
>
> I know that you could read/write the loginwindow.plist, but there  
> is a more
> simple way? I don't like to adopt and study complex XML libraries  
> only for
> this target.

very quick guess (not tested, but worth a try :-):
Maybe one could create an alias to the app in the folder "Startupitems"?
-> Bootvolume/Library/Startupitems/

> Greetings
>
> Paul Claude

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Mon Mar 13 09:43:40 2006
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 15:43:40 +0100
Subject: Add your app to login items (Mac)
In-Reply-To: <C03B3EFC.423B%paulclaude@postino.it>
References: <C03B3EFC.423B%paulclaude@postino.it>
Message-ID: <p06200701c03b35339531@[10.0.0.27]>

At 3:23 PM +0100 3/13/06, Paul Claude wrote:
>There is a way to do a script that may add or delete your app to Mac "Login
>Items" (to auto run your app at Mac startup)?
>
>I know that you could read/write the loginwindow.plist, but there is a more
>simple way? I don't like to adopt and study complex XML libraries only for
>this target.

  Applescript  (watch the word wrap so you get the path right):

tell application "System Events"
	get exists login item "MyCoolProgram"
	if result is false then
		make new login item at end of login items with 
properties {path:"/Applications/MyCoolProgram.app", hidden:true, 
kind:application, name:"MyCoolProgram"}
	end if
end tell


ciao,
sims

European Rev Conference  2006
www.techietours.com


From wlists at fireworksmm.com  Mon Mar 13 10:03:10 2006
From: wlists at fireworksmm.com (Wally Rodriguez)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:03:10 -0500
Subject: .xxx files
In-Reply-To: <B3ADA25F-9910-4DAD-BD05-FD81C468838E@fireworksmm.com>
References: <26b224d6c449174c3c47de6030a30a67@wanadoo.fr>
	<B3ADA25F-9910-4DAD-BD05-FD81C468838E@fireworksmm.com>
Message-ID: <9D97E52A-A06C-40CC-A2D0-4C2542347F71@fireworksmm.com>

Here you go.

http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20051121091532444

have not tested these, but just trying to help...

W.

On Mar 12, 2006, at 4:20 PM, Wally Rodriguez wrote:

> I remember seeing a setting somewhere that turns off the copying of  
> resource forks for drives that are not HFS+
>
> Maybe a look at www.macosxhints.com might have some info on this.   
> Can't do it myself right now...
>
> w.
>
> On Mar 10, 2006, at 6:03 AM, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:
>
>> Hi Robert,
>>
>> Sigh ! Well I suppose that is an obvious solution
>> that I hadn't even thought about.
>>
>> And it represents no more than five minutes of
>> scripting time !
>>
>> Back to the drawing board ........ !
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> -Francis
>>
>>
>>> I more or less guessed what the files were. My problem
>>> is not what they are for, but HOW TO STOP THEM FROM
>>> BEING COPIED, when I move from Mac to PC. Simply
>>> because they are a PAIN ! Sometimes I copy folders with 200
>>> or 300 files from my Mac to my PC, and I can tell you, ignoring
>>> these .xxx files is not as easy as it looks !
>>>
>>> -Francis
>>
>> A job for a nifty Rev plugin (or just a function) that zaps those
>> files into oblivion given a folder path?
>>
>>
>>
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From paulclaude at postino.it  Mon Mar 13 10:18:11 2006
From: paulclaude at postino.it (Paul Claude)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:18:11 +0100
Subject: Add your app to login items (Mac)
In-Reply-To: <495A8117-DD22-4553-A3D7-B9A2B56D24E9@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <C03B4BC3.4245%paulclaude@postino.it>

Thanks Klaus,

I had thought about to this possibility, but I believed there was a way in
order to work directly with "login items"...

I must also check if creating an alias (or deleting it) in the startupItems
folder needs an authentication.




on 13-03-2006 15:40, Klaus Major at klaus at major-k.de wrote:

> very quick guess (not tested, but worth a try :-):
> Maybe one could create an alias to the app in the folder "Startupitems"?
> -> Bootvolume/Library/Startupitems/




From sims at ezpzapps.com  Mon Mar 13 10:19:00 2006
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:19:00 +0100
Subject: Add your app to login items (Mac)
In-Reply-To: <C03B4BC3.4245%paulclaude@postino.it>
References: <C03B4BC3.4245%paulclaude@postino.it>
Message-ID: <p06200703c03b3d80875b@[10.0.0.27]>

At 4:18 PM +0100 3/13/06, Paul Claude wrote:
>I had thought about to this possibility, but I believed there was a way in
>order to work directly with "login items"...
>
>I must also check if creating an alias (or deleting it) in the startupItems
>folder needs an authentication.

The applescript I sent to the list was tested and works fine 
here...just ran it,
checked login items, rebooted and all worked fine.


ciao,
sims

European Rev Conference  2006
www.techietours.com


From paulclaude at postino.it  Mon Mar 13 10:24:13 2006
From: paulclaude at postino.it (Paul Claude)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:24:13 +0100
Subject: Add your app to login items (Mac)
In-Reply-To: <p06200701c03b35339531@[10.0.0.27]>
Message-ID: <C03B4D2D.424A%paulclaude@postino.it>

Ciao Sims,

Thank you very much, I will test ASAP this Applescript.

Greetings

Paul Claude


on 13-03-2006 15:43, sims at sims at ezpzapps.com wrote:

> tell application "System Events"
> get exists login item "MyCoolProgram"
> if result is false then
> make new login item at end of login items with
> properties {path:"/Applications/MyCoolProgram.app", hidden:true,
> kind:application, name:"MyCoolProgram"}
> end if
> end tell




From klaus at major-k.de  Mon Mar 13 10:25:35 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:25:35 +0100
Subject: Add your app to login items (Mac)
In-Reply-To: <p06200701c03b35339531@[10.0.0.27]>
References: <C03B3EFC.423B%paulclaude@postino.it>
	<p06200701c03b35339531@[10.0.0.27]>
Message-ID: <6A143930-4ABF-4E4F-8D03-0BE552793A27@major-k.de>

Hi sims,

> At 3:23 PM +0100 3/13/06, Paul Claude wrote:
>> There is a way to do a script that may add or delete your app to  
>> Mac "Login
>> Items" (to auto run your app at Mac startup)?
>>
>> I know that you could read/write the loginwindow.plist, but there  
>> is a more
>> simple way? I don't like to adopt and study complex XML libraries  
>> only for
>> this target.
>
>  Applescript  (watch the word wrap so you get the path right):
>
> tell application "System Events"
> 	get exists login item "MyCoolProgram"
> 	if result is false then
> 		make new login item at end of login items with properties {path:"/ 
> Applications/MyCoolProgram.app", hidden:true, kind:application,  
> name:"MyCoolProgram"}
> 	end if
> end tell

very cool, sims :-)

Went straight into my archieves!

> ciao,
> sims
>
> European Rev Conference  2006
> www.techietours.com

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From ccondit at geo.umass.edu  Mon Mar 13 10:56:07 2006
From: ccondit at geo.umass.edu (Chris Condit)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:56:07 -0500
Subject: Rev on Intel iMacs
Message-ID: <p06230900c03b44c482ac@[172.30.23.192]>

I used a couple of stand-alones on an iMac last week.  They are both 
a big (20 to 29 meg programs that you can download from 
http://ddm.geo.umass.edu/ddm-svf/ and 
http://ddm.geo.umass.edu/ddm-ne) that essentially manage the 
integrated display  of maps, images, field guides and analytical 
data.  The programs ran smoothly and were very responsive under 
Rosetta - no problems there.

Incidentally, has any one else had trouble with zooming into and out 
of QuickTime panoramas using 2.7.1?

Chrsi
-- 
Dr. Christopher D. Condit,  Associate Prof.,  Dept. of Geosciences
Univ. Massachusetts,  611 North Pleasant St., Amherst, MA, 01003-9297
ccondit at geo.umass.edu  413-545-0272
My Web Page:  http://www.geo.umass.edu/faculty/condit.htm
Revolution Dynamic Digital Maps: http://ddm.geo.umass.edu




From jerry at daniels-mara.com  Mon Mar 13 11:00:21 2006
From: jerry at daniels-mara.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:00:21 -0600
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <p0623090cc03a316631fb@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <02cd01c64459$9b8c0220$0502a8c0@MRTOSHIBA>
	<f73a98160603112356w110736b2l9cc8865f9df4e344@mail.gmail.com>
	<p0623090bc03a1f23ea29@[192.168.1.103]>
	<44147A21.8070107@hyperactivesw.com>
	<p0623090cc03a316631fb@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <046B45DC-B0C9-46A9-B96B-A9952168ADDB@daniels-mara.com>

Constellation doesn't use the Rev script editor menu. That function  
would make a good tool for the script editor toolbar, though.

Best,

Jerry Daniels


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On Mar 12, 2006, at 2:14 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> Well, not while Constellation is active.... not there..
>
>> Stephen Barncard wrote:
>>> I have never seen the Edit menu "Copy as Formatted String". It is  
>>> not in 2.7. I just checked.
>>>
>>> Are you sure this isn't some kind of customization?
>>
>> It's only available when the script editor is open.
>
> -- 
> stephen barncard
> s a n  f r a n c i s c o
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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Mon Mar 13 11:31:46 2006
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:31:46 +0000
Subject: QTVRs (was: Rev on Intel iMacs)
In-Reply-To: <p06230900c03b44c482ac@[172.30.23.192]>
References: <p06230900c03b44c482ac@[172.30.23.192]>
Message-ID: <C70F2A48-D587-49A6-A04D-C20E537387FA@azurevision.co.uk>

2.7.1 !?!

I just had a look at a QTVR file - zooming in and out was quite  
jerky, in fact the performance was appalling overall, frame rates  
must have been in single figures on a dual G5. On the other hand,  
simply showing a QTVR file is no longer using 100% of a processor...

Ian

On 13 Mar 2006, at 15:56, Chris Condit wrote:

> Incidentally, has any one else had trouble with zooming into and  
> out of QuickTime panoramas using 2.7.1?
>
> Chrsi



From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Mon Mar 13 11:56:52 2006
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:56:52 +0100
Subject: Turning imageData into alphaData (quickly)?
Message-ID: <4415A454.5060505@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

On Mon Mar 13, 2006, Ian Wood revlist at azurevision.co.uk wrote:

> (snip)
>   A handler that goes through each RGB pixel and reduce it to a  
> grayscale value for use as alphaData was pretty easy, but for a  
> 200x200px image that's 40,000 repeats, and takes minutes on a G5.
>
> on maskStuff
>    put the seconds into tStart
>    put "" into tMaskData
>    put the imageData of img "mask" into tImgData
>    put number of chars of tImgData / 4 & return into fld "status"
>    lock screen
>    repeat with x = 1 to ((number of chars of tImgData) / 4)
>      if the mouse is down then exit to top
>      put charToNum(char (x*4)-2 of tImgData) into tR
>      put charToNum(char (x*4)-1 of tImgData) into tG
>      put charToNum(char (x*4) of tImgData) into tB
>      put the round of ((tR + tG + tB)/3) into tM
>      put numToChar(tM) after tMaskData
>      --put tM & return after fld "status"
>    end repeat
> (snip)
> Any ideas for a faster way? Cross-platform command-line tools?
>
> Ian Wood
> Panoramic photography, from web to billboard, sunrise to moonrise
> http://www.landmarksofbritain.co.uk



Hi Ian,

I modified your script to the solution below, i.e. I took the script of 
my "gray-scale" button of my ImageData Toolkit and adapted it to your needs.
The script is for a 640 X 480 image, meaning that more than about one 
million of chars have to be processed (640 * 480 * 3)
Running the script takes *one* second on my Windows XP computer (2 GHz):

 on mouseUp
  set the cursor to watch
  put the milliseconds into Start
  put the imageData of image 2 into iData
  put empty into tmaskdata
  put 2560 into re # i.e. 640 * 4
  repeat with i = 0 to 479
    repeat with j = 0 to 639
      put  chartonum(char (i*re + (j*4+2)) of idata) into tC1
      put chartonum(char (i*re + (j*4+3)) of idata) into tC2
      put  chartonum(char (i*re + (j*4+4)) of idata) into tC3
      put the round of ((tc1 + tc2 + tc3)/3) into tM
      put numToChar(tM) after tMaskData
    end repeat
  end repeat
  put the milliseconds - Start into fld "test"
end mouseUp

Best regards,

Wilhelm Sanke
<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>
<http://www.sanke.org/ImageDataArt>





From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Mar 13 12:13:47 2006
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 09:13:47 -0800
Subject: QTVRs (was: Rev on Intel iMacs)
In-Reply-To: <C70F2A48-D587-49A6-A04D-C20E537387FA@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <p06230900c03b44c482ac@[172.30.23.192]>
	<C70F2A48-D587-49A6-A04D-C20E537387FA@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <911CAD9B-D872-4A30-BD82-E87B839750FC@mangomultimedia.com>

On Mar 13, 2006, at 8:31 AM, Ian Wood wrote:

> 2.7.1 !?!
>
> I just had a look at a QTVR file - zooming in and out was quite  
> jerky, in fact the performance was appalling overall, frame rates  
> must have been in single figures on a dual G5. On the other hand,  
> simply showing a QTVR file is no longer using 100% of a processor...

This is a result of the Rev transition to the newer QuickTime APIs  
that report how often an application needs to idle QuickTime movies.   
How often you idle a QTVR determines how smooth the playback is.  It  
should be fixed in the 2.7.1 release but for the time being you can  
reduce the idleRate property to something like 10 and see really  
smooth playback.


-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems - http://www.bluemangolearning.com
trevor at bluemangolearning.com




From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Mar 13 12:52:15 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 11:52:15 -0600
Subject: Turning imageData into alphaData (quickly)?
In-Reply-To: <p0620070cc03b010dcf31@[10.0.0.27]>
References: <2C26FAC1-3B43-4E65-B5E6-CFE809FF619E@azurevision.co.uk>
	<p0620070cc03b010dcf31@[10.0.0.27]>
Message-ID: <4415B14F.3090405@chipp.com>

I'd get rid of as much math as you can in the repeat loops. Precalculate 
your loop vars. But, I think you're pretty much stuck for now with the 
solution you have.

We're working on an image external toolset which does this and much 
more. But it's not yet ready for primetime ;-)

best,

Chipp

sims wrote:


> Also, I think Chipp has done some work along those lines.



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Mar 13 13:18:38 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:18:38 -0600
Subject: activate
In-Reply-To: <p0620070bc03afccbcfd9@[10.0.0.27]>
Message-ID: <C03B139E.379E9%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/13/06 4:45 AM, "sims" <sims at ezpzapps.com> wrote:

> On Windows is there some way to do the same?

Here's a VBS version. NOTE: Pass it the *title* of the window, not the path
to the app... this is how Windows locates running apps.

Watch for line wraps:

on VBS_AppActivate pTitle
  put format("set WshShell = WScript.CreateObject(\"WScript.Shell\")") into
tVBS
  put tVBS & cr & "WshShell.AppActivate" && quote & pTitle & quote into tVBS
  put "C:\vbs_temp.vbs" into tVBSPath
  put tVBS into url ("file:" & tVBSPath)
  set the hideConsoleWindows to true
  get shell("cscript.exe //nologo" && tVBSPath)
  put it into tResult
  if there is a file tVBSPath then
    send "delete file" && quote & tVBSPath & quote to me in 1 second
  end if
  if tResult <> "" then return "Error: " & tResult
end VBS_AppActivate


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From josh at dvcreators.net  Mon Mar 13 14:16:09 2006
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 11:16:09 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <02cd01c64459$9b8c0220$0502a8c0@MRTOSHIBA>
References: <02cd01c64459$9b8c0220$0502a8c0@MRTOSHIBA>
Message-ID: <5C835FFD-F0DD-4EF8-B65B-CB69526443C2@dvcreators.net>


On Mar 10, 2006, at 7:45 AM, Mvreade wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've been playing with Revolution for a few days and am VERY  
> impressed with its capabilities and ease of use.
>
> I do however, have a few questions and reservations, which  
> hopefully you guys can answer.
>
> I found it a bit buggy (using a iBook G4, 1G of memory, on OSX  
> 10.4).  The property inspector went blank a few times, the  
> application crashed once, the sample database query in the example  
> solutions was updating records, demo videos weren't displaying, to  
> mention a few.

After 10 years of developing applications in Director and Filemaker,  
5 years of Flash & LiveStage Pro, a couple years of PHP/MySQL and  
doing some thorough exploration and testing with RealBasic and Ruby  
on Rails I plan to (try to) create most every project in Revolution  
from here on out.

Bottom line: The ability to switch tools and instantly run the app  
without any 'compiling' eliminates RealBasic, Java, C++ and many  
other options for me. The superior Quicktime performance, card  
paradigm and database implementation beats Director. The ease of  
coding with Constellation beats Flash Studio. The ease of integrating  
MySQL beats FileMaker. The interface consistency, speed and  
reliability beats Ruby on Rails.

I have seen various descriptions of noobs like me as they travel  
those first few wobbly steps- the "aha" factor, etc.

I think of as a kind of love/dismay relationship... Revolution in  
many ways is so powerful and fast to produce results it lives up to  
any hype you've heard. On the other hand the dev environment is buggy  
(for me anyway), some commands just don't work or work in clearly  
different ways than intended, sometimes I have to force quit (thanks  
for Constellation autosave) but the final standalone product is rock- 
solid- 3,000+ users of one app developed by Fourth World for us with  
zero problems or problems- that's right folks, ZERO! Director  
projects have always at best demonstrated scattered incompatibilities  
with certain OS/QT combos and sometimes severe performance problems.

There is a 3rd party script editor called Constellation without  
which, in my opinion, Revolution is barely usable in a professional  
setting.

For a small user base, there is excellent support available on this  
email list and on the websites of the major developers.

I am currently (attempting to) develop a system utilizing a remote  
MySQL multiuser database (12 tables currently, will probably end up  
at 20) and I'm amazed at well it's going whenever I have time to  
devote to it. It's fast, reliable, solid and once you figure out what  
works, it works every time.

I can now do in 10-15 minutes what it takes a Rails expert an hour or  
more to do- and that's with a "framework" app!

I hope soon Rev gets Guy Kawasaki for Marketing VP and sells millions  
of copies and is able to subsidize the hero pioneers efforts who  
without which Rev would die a quick death, the Kens, Richards,  
Jerrys, Jans, and so on, and fix all the bugs and make the wish list  
come true... but until then, I will use it anyway!


>
> So the quesiton is, how good of an environment to work on is it?
>
> And how stable are the final applications?
>
> For users who have used Rev for databases, I was wondering what  
> it's like to develop a system with, say, 20 tables and lots or  
> relationships and methods?
>
> Where would one store all the methods?

I am currently storing functions, scripts and even data in fields on  
a "data" card, it's great "seeing" your variables live!

>
> For relationships, would one just keep a VERYlong list of Database  
> Queries?
>
> Finally, does any one know if Runtime Revolution Ltd has any plans  
> to have a connection to an open source, embeddable database, such  
> as SQLite?
>
> Thanks for your help,
>
> Michael Reade
>
>
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>
>



From jerry at daniels-mara.com  Mon Mar 13 14:24:43 2006
From: jerry at daniels-mara.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:24:43 -0600
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <5C835FFD-F0DD-4EF8-B65B-CB69526443C2@dvcreators.net>
References: <02cd01c64459$9b8c0220$0502a8c0@MRTOSHIBA>
	<5C835FFD-F0DD-4EF8-B65B-CB69526443C2@dvcreators.net>
Message-ID: <A20AC1F9-D58A-4092-844B-B15D7C4ADB25@daniels-mara.com>

On Mar 13, 2006, at 1:16 PM, Josh Mellicker wrote:

> There is a 3rd party script editor called Constellation without  
> which, in my opinion, Revolution is barely usable in a professional  
> setting.

That is one heckuva quote. Thanks, Josh.

Best,

Jerry Daniels

5 Reasons 12 Top Rev Developers Use to Constellation!
http://daniels-mara.com/products/5reasons.htm

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From sims at ezpzapps.com  Mon Mar 13 14:28:51 2006
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:28:51 +0100
Subject: activate
In-Reply-To: <C03B139E.379E9%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C03B139E.379E9%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <p0620070cc03b785d70d6@[10.0.0.27]>

At 12:18 PM -0600 3/13/06, Ken Ray wrote:
>On 3/13/06 4:45 AM, "sims" <sims at ezpzapps.com> wrote:
>
>>  On Windows is there some way to do the same?
>
>Here's a VBS version. NOTE: Pass it the *title* of the window, not the path
>to the app... this is how Windows locates running apps.

Thanks a bunch Ken!

ciao,
sims

European Rev Conference  2006
www.techietours.com


From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Mon Mar 13 15:09:01 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:09:01 -0800
Subject: The templateField Keyword
In-Reply-To: <6CDF6CC4-C235-4BDA-B22A-12A7B53400D7@videotron.ca>
References: <20060313094845.AE8C1825223@mail.runrev.com>
	<6CDF6CC4-C235-4BDA-B22A-12A7B53400D7@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603131209u1ca7bcbbp1581935e38eca06@mail.gmail.com>

Gregory.....

Yep and you'll find that creating one or more libraries of scripts that you
can use with "start using" will be another great productivity gain in Rev.


On 3/13/06, Gregory Lypny <gregory.lypny at videotron.ca> wrote:
>
> Thanks once again, Dan, Dave, and Jacqueline.  I think I get it.
> When all is said and done, it seems that for development it's easier
> and faster to create a little stack of fields and other things with
> the features I want and simply copy and paste them into the project
> I'm working on.
>
>         Gregory
>
> On Mon, Mar 13, 2006, at 4:48 AM, Dave Cragg wrote:
>
> > On 13 Mar 2006, at 00:03, Gregory Lypny wrote:
> >>
> >>      What you say below is not how I expect templateField to work based
> >> on its description.  I thought that setting the templateField was a
> >> one-time thing and that it remained in effect until it was reset.
> >> Your handler based on the createField message would seem to make
> >> templateField unnecessary because you're changing the style of
> >> newly created fields using a script after they've been created,
> >> whereas the point of templateField is to set those properties
> >> before.  Am I misunderstanding what you've intended?
> >
> >
> > I think Dan's reply clears it up. There's no need to reset the
> > templateField, although I learned it was a "good idea" back when I
> > started with Metacard, and so have followed that advice like a good
> > boy. ;-) I think the idea is that by immediately resetting the
> > templatexxxxx, you don't leave any surprises around for the next time
> > you create an object. But if you're solely in charge of what gets
> > created, then I guess it doesn't matter.
> >
> > The main point I wanted to make was that you should use "create
> > field" in your own script to get a field that follows the template
> > settings you have made. I don't think you can rely on the tool
> > palette in the IDE to respect the settings you have made. I say this
> > without knowing how the tool palette creates objects; I was just
> > assuming it was likely to set the templateField itself before doing
> > so. I also wasn't sure what the palette does after it has created an
> > object, but Dan's reply suggests it sets back to the state it was in
> > before.
>
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From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Mon Mar 13 15:46:54 2006
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 14:46:54 -0600
Subject: Thousands Separator on OSX
In-Reply-To: <36B4BF48-B5F1-42A1-AEF8-027DBE6A5309@upnaway.com>
References: <36B4BF48-B5F1-42A1-AEF8-027DBE6A5309@upnaway.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060313144629.052ab798@exchange.slg.com>

To me it seems the Rev engine should give one access to this 
setting...  Has someone BZed it?

At 07:24 PM 3/10/2006, you wrote:
>My brain is hurting try to get the current thousands separator on a
>Mac OS.
>
>
>I have tried
>  put replaceText(shell("defaults read NSGlobalDomain
>NSThousandsSeparator"),"(\s|\(|\))","") into gThousandsSeparator
>
>but nothing.
>
>OS X 10.4.5
>
>Any help much appreciated.
>
>
>Steve  Flavel
>
>
>
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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Mon Mar 13 15:51:50 2006
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:51:50 +0000
Subject: Turning imageData into alphaData (quickly)?
In-Reply-To: <4415A454.5060505@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
References: <4415A454.5060505@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <717E91CD-BF68-4904-AA76-D3C903CF4194@azurevision.co.uk>


On 13 Mar 2006, at 16:56, Wilhelm Sanke wrote:

> Hi Ian,
>
> I modified your script to the solution below, i.e. I took the  
> script of my "gray-scale" button of my ImageData Toolkit and  
> adapted it to your needs.
> The script is for a 640 X 480 image, meaning that more than about  
> one million of chars have to be processed (640 * 480 * 3)
> Running the script takes *one* second on my Windows XP computer (2  
> GHz):
>
> on mouseUp
>  set the cursor to watch
>  put the milliseconds into Start
>  put the imageData of image 2 into iData
>  put empty into tmaskdata
>  put 2560 into re # i.e. 640 * 4
>  repeat with i = 0 to 479
>    repeat with j = 0 to 639
>      put  chartonum(char (i*re + (j*4+2)) of idata) into tC1
>      put chartonum(char (i*re + (j*4+3)) of idata) into tC2
>      put  chartonum(char (i*re + (j*4+4)) of idata) into tC3
>      put the round of ((tc1 + tc2 + tc3)/3) into tM
>      put numToChar(tM) after tMaskData
>    end repeat
>  end repeat
>  put the milliseconds - Start into fld "test"
> end mouseUp
>
> Best regards,
>
> Wilhelm Sanke
> <http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>
> <http://www.sanke.org/ImageDataArt>

Wow! The 200x200 image processed in 200ms.

And making a universal version to work with any image dimensions is  
trivial, just change a few lines and make it a function, just pass  
the name of the img - or to be safer, edit to make it run off the  
long ID...

function makeMask tMaskImg
   set the cursor to watch
   put width of tMaskImg into tW
   put height of tMaskImg into tH
   put the milliseconds into Start
   put the imageData of tMaskImg into iData
   put empty into tmaskdata
   put tW * 4 into re
   repeat with i = 0 to (tH - 1)
     repeat with j = 0 to (tW - 1)
       put  chartonum(char (i*re + (j*4+2)) of idata) into tC1
       put chartonum(char (i*re + (j*4+3)) of idata) into tC2
       put  chartonum(char (i*re + (j*4+4)) of idata) into tC3
       put the round of ((tc1 + tc2 + tc3)/3) into tM
       put numToChar(tM) after tMaskData
     end repeat
   end repeat
   return tMaskData
end makeMask

Thanks a lot,

Ian


From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Mon Mar 13 16:07:57 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:07:57 -0800
Subject: Would this be a situation for a Front Script?
In-Reply-To: <6373341C-9A60-4EAB-9B26-E60AC1F1824C@inspiredlogic.com>
References: <f73a98160603121748t6f4691b0qe4aee39e032fa938@mail.gmail.com>	<4414D4D0.6050900@paraboliclogic.com>
	<6373341C-9A60-4EAB-9B26-E60AC1F1824C@inspiredlogic.com>
Message-ID: <4415DF2D.40303@paraboliclogic.com>

Rev 2.6.1

Greetings,


I have about 200 objects on a card, and I want to have mouseEnter and 
mouseLeave handlers for all of them, but instead of writing code for 
each one, would it be better to just use a front script to intercept 
these events?

All of them will do the same thing, which is change the color of the 
background of each object on enter and then change it back on leaving. 
I have the objects named individually like this "box1" all the way 
through "box200".  So determining which object fired the event is not an 
issue.

But I don't have any experience with front scripts, so I don't know if 
this would be a situation where a front script would be of benefit or 
not.  If so, can someone point me to a tutorial on front scripts?

Thanks,
-Garrett


From cmsheffield at gmail.com  Mon Mar 13 16:12:06 2006
From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 14:12:06 -0700
Subject: Would this be a situation for a Front Script?
In-Reply-To: <4415DF2D.40303@paraboliclogic.com>
References: <f73a98160603121748t6f4691b0qe4aee39e032fa938@mail.gmail.com>	<4414D4D0.6050900@paraboliclogic.com>
	<6373341C-9A60-4EAB-9B26-E60AC1F1824C@inspiredlogic.com>
	<4415DF2D.40303@paraboliclogic.com>
Message-ID: <0F67F635-E5EA-4567-B7DE-69B59FF68489@gmail.com>

Hi Garrett,

Just use a group.  Group all your fields together, then place your  
handlers in the group's script.  You can use "the target" if  
necessary to determine which fields the script should refer to.

No need for a front script.

Chris


On Mar 13, 2006, at 2:07 PM, Garrett Hylltun wrote:

> Rev 2.6.1
>
> Greetings,
>
>
> I have about 200 objects on a card, and I want to have mouseEnter  
> and mouseLeave handlers for all of them, but instead of writing  
> code for each one, would it be better to just use a front script to  
> intercept these events?
>
> All of them will do the same thing, which is change the color of  
> the background of each object on enter and then change it back on  
> leaving. I have the objects named individually like this "box1" all  
> the way through "box200".  So determining which object fired the  
> event is not an issue.
>
> But I don't have any experience with front scripts, so I don't know  
> if this would be a situation where a front script would be of  
> benefit or not.  If so, can someone point me to a tutorial on front  
> scripts?
>
> Thanks,
> -Garrett
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Read Naturally
The Fluency Company
http://www.readnaturally.com
------------------------------------------




From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Mon Mar 13 16:22:00 2006
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 21:22:00 +0000
Subject: Would this be a situation for a Front Script?
In-Reply-To: <4415DF2D.40303@paraboliclogic.com>
References: <f73a98160603121748t6f4691b0qe4aee39e032fa938@mail.gmail.com>	<4414D4D0.6050900@paraboliclogic.com>
	<6373341C-9A60-4EAB-9B26-E60AC1F1824C@inspiredlogic.com>
	<4415DF2D.40303@paraboliclogic.com>
Message-ID: <6148617B-6584-4CA4-BF6F-1074035F7D62@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 13 Mar 2006, at 21:07, Garrett Hylltun wrote:
>
> I have about 200 objects on a card, and I want to have mouseEnter  
> and mouseLeave handlers for all of them, but instead of writing  
> code for each one, would it be better to just use a front script to  
> intercept these events?

Instead of a front script, handlers in the card script would probably  
be easier. This takes advantage of the Rev message hierarchy. If the  
mouseEnter and mouseLeave messages aren't handled in the objects  
themselves, the messages pass on to the card.

>
> All of them will do the same thing, which is change the color of  
> the background of each object on enter and then change it back on  
> leaving. I have the objects named individually like this "box1" all  
> the way through "box200".  So determining which object fired the  
> event is not an issue.

Small suggestion, although perhaps not so important in this case.  
When you have many items named basically the same but appended with a  
number, I find it more useful to make the names into two words. For  
example, "box 1", "box 2", "box 115", etc. Then it's easy to get the  
numbered part by using "word 2 of the short name of whatever".

The handlers in this case might look like this:

## in card script

   on mouseEnter
     if word 1 of the short name of the target is "box" then
        set the backcolor of the target to <color>
     end if
   end mouseEnter

   on mouseLeave
     if word 1 of the short name of the target is "box" then
        set the backcolor of the target to <color>
     end if
   end mouseLeave

Cheers
Dave





From cmsheffield at gmail.com  Mon Mar 13 16:42:52 2006
From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 14:42:52 -0700
Subject: filter question
Message-ID: <E9FC345F-A422-4EB8-8D08-00FCDFBAB955@gmail.com>

I'm trying to apply a filter to a list field.  The columns of the  
field are tab delimited.  I have a separate "filter" field that  
allows the user to apply a filter to the list based on whichever  
column is the current sort column.  I can get the filter to work fine  
so long as the first column is selected, but anything else does not  
work.

How can I apply a filter to a list based on say item 3 of each line  
of that list?  Is that possible?

Thanks,
Chris


------------------------------------------
Chris Sheffield
Read Naturally
The Fluency Company
http://www.readnaturally.com
------------------------------------------




From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Mon Mar 13 16:49:23 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:49:23 -0800
Subject: How to use checkbox in Rev?
In-Reply-To: <6373341C-9A60-4EAB-9B26-E60AC1F1824C@inspiredlogic.com>
References: <f73a98160603121748t6f4691b0qe4aee39e032fa938@mail.gmail.com>	<4414D4D0.6050900@paraboliclogic.com>
	<6373341C-9A60-4EAB-9B26-E60AC1F1824C@inspiredlogic.com>
Message-ID: <4415E8E3.4020101@paraboliclogic.com>

Rev 2.6.1

Greetings,

I must be missing something... I can't find any info on how to use the 
check box.  How do I determine if the box is checked and not checked? 
And how would I set the check mark of it from within my own code?

Thanks,
-Garrett


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Mon Mar 13 16:51:07 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:51:07 -0800
Subject: How to use checkbox in Rev?
In-Reply-To: <4415E8E3.4020101@paraboliclogic.com>
References: <f73a98160603121748t6f4691b0qe4aee39e032fa938@mail.gmail.com>
	<4414D4D0.6050900@paraboliclogic.com>
	<6373341C-9A60-4EAB-9B26-E60AC1F1824C@inspiredlogic.com>
	<4415E8E3.4020101@paraboliclogic.com>
Message-ID: <p06230902c03b99b66ac0@[192.168.1.103]>

the hilite of btn x

>Rev 2.6.1
>
>Greetings,
>
>I must be missing something... I can't find any info on how to use 
>the check box.  How do I determine if the box is checked and not 
>checked? And how would I set the check mark of it from within my own 
>code?
>
>Thanks,
>-Garrett
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From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Mon Mar 13 17:17:38 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 14:17:38 -0800
Subject: How to use checkbox in Rev?
In-Reply-To: <p06230902c03b99b66ac0@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <f73a98160603121748t6f4691b0qe4aee39e032fa938@mail.gmail.com>	<4414D4D0.6050900@paraboliclogic.com>	<6373341C-9A60-4EAB-9B26-E60AC1F1824C@inspiredlogic.com>	<4415E8E3.4020101@paraboliclogic.com>
	<p06230902c03b99b66ac0@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <4415EF82.4020107@paraboliclogic.com>

Stephen Barncard wrote:
> the hilite of btn x
> 
>> Rev 2.6.1
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> I must be missing something... I can't find any info on how to use the 

Thanks!  :-)

-Garrett


From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Mon Mar 13 17:18:17 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 14:18:17 -0800
Subject: Would this be a situation for a Front Script?
In-Reply-To: <6148617B-6584-4CA4-BF6F-1074035F7D62@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <f73a98160603121748t6f4691b0qe4aee39e032fa938@mail.gmail.com>	<4414D4D0.6050900@paraboliclogic.com>	<6373341C-9A60-4EAB-9B26-E60AC1F1824C@inspiredlogic.com>	<4415DF2D.40303@paraboliclogic.com>
	<6148617B-6584-4CA4-BF6F-1074035F7D62@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4415EFA9.10301@paraboliclogic.com>

Dave Cragg wrote:
> 
> On 13 Mar 2006, at 21:07, Garrett Hylltun wrote:
>>
>> I have about 200 objects on a card, and I want to have mouseEnter and 
>> mouseLeave handlers for all of them, but instead of writing code for 
>> each one, would it be better to just use a front script to intercept 
>> these events?
> 
> Instead of a front script, handlers in the card script would probably be 

Thanks Dave, and Chris too.  :-)

-Garrett


From davis.phil at comcast.net  Mon Mar 13 17:33:21 2006
From: davis.phil at comcast.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 14:33:21 -0800
Subject: filter question
In-Reply-To: <E9FC345F-A422-4EB8-8D08-00FCDFBAB955@gmail.com>
References: <E9FC345F-A422-4EB8-8D08-00FCDFBAB955@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4415F331.7030204@comcast.net>

Hi Chris,

To filter on column 3, are you using something like this?

   put fld "list" into tList
   filter tList \
       with "*" & tab & "*" & tab & fld "filter" & tab & "*"
   put tList into fld "list"

If so, it seems like that should work.

Phil Davis


Chris Sheffield wrote:
> I'm trying to apply a filter to a list field.  The columns of the  field 
> are tab delimited.  I have a separate "filter" field that  allows the 
> user to apply a filter to the list based on whichever  column is the 
> current sort column.  I can get the filter to work fine  so long as the 
> first column is selected, but anything else does not  work.
> 
> How can I apply a filter to a list based on say item 3 of each line  of 
> that list?  Is that possible?
> 
> Thanks,
> Chris
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------
> Chris Sheffield
> Read Naturally
> The Fluency Company
> http://www.readnaturally.com
> ------------------------------------------



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Mar 13 19:08:01 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:08:01 +1000
Subject: filter question
In-Reply-To: <4415F331.7030204@comcast.net>
References: <E9FC345F-A422-4EB8-8D08-00FCDFBAB955@gmail.com>
	<4415F331.7030204@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603131608s71a105d7g80b2b01a368dbc5@mail.gmail.com>

It might be faster to filter the list simply to reduce it to lines
that contain the filter string anywhere, and then do a loop to check
if the filter string is in the correct item.

-- gather the original data and the required settings
put fld "List" into tList
put fld "Filter into Filter
put 3 into tItemNum

-- do the first filter to reduce the list
filter tList with "*" & tFilter & "*"

-- loop through making sure it appears in the right item
put empty into tMatches
repeat for each line L in tList
  if item tItemNum of L contains tFilter then put L & cr after tMatches
end repeat

-- remove the trailing cr
delete last char of tMatches

-- display the matching results
put tMatches into fld "Results"


Cheers.
Sarah

On 3/14/06, Phil Davis <davis.phil at comcast.net> wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> To filter on column 3, are you using something like this?
>
>    put fld "list" into tList
>    filter tList \
>        with "*" & tab & "*" & tab & fld "filter" & tab & "*"
>    put tList into fld "list"
>
> If so, it seems like that should work.
>
> Phil Davis
>
>
> Chris Sheffield wrote:
> > I'm trying to apply a filter to a list field.  The columns of the  field
> > are tab delimited.  I have a separate "filter" field that  allows the
> > user to apply a filter to the list based on whichever  column is the
> > current sort column.  I can get the filter to work fine  so long as the
> > first column is selected, but anything else does not  work.
> >
> > How can I apply a filter to a list based on say item 3 of each line  of
> > that list?  Is that possible?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------
> > Chris Sheffield
> > Read Naturally
> > The Fluency Company
> > http://www.readnaturally.com
> > ------------------------------------------
>
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From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Mar 13 20:35:34 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:35:34 -0600
Subject: filter question
In-Reply-To: <E9FC345F-A422-4EB8-8D08-00FCDFBAB955@gmail.com>
References: <E9FC345F-A422-4EB8-8D08-00FCDFBAB955@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44161DE6.4080005@chipp.com>


       sort lines of field tFldName numeric by item 3 of each


Chris Sheffield wrote:
> I'm trying to apply a filter to a list field.  The columns of the  field 
> are tab delimited.  I have a separate "filter" field that  allows the 
> user to apply a filter to the list based on whichever  column is the 
> current sort column.  I can get the filter to work fine  so long as the 
> first column is selected, but anything else does not  work.



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Tue Mar 14 01:36:01 2006
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:36:01 +0100
Subject: Move stack problem
Message-ID: <35B5C1E7-3285-4806-85FA-54AF23BB3648@skynet.be>

Hi list


On MAC OS X Tiger 10.4.5 with rev 2.7

I've made a stack, one only, no substack and set the windowshape of  
this stack to an img.

OK

BUT

I cannot move the stack. It appears on the screen and I cannot move  
this window to put it on another place of the screen. I've tried to  
grab the stack with the mouse every possible point of the window : it  
doesn't move !

Any idea how i can proceed ?

Thank you.



Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Mar 14 01:47:58 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:47:58 +1000
Subject: Move stack problem
In-Reply-To: <35B5C1E7-3285-4806-85FA-54AF23BB3648@skynet.be>
References: <35B5C1E7-3285-4806-85FA-54AF23BB3648@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603132247x5dc0f07ct92b7376f5d844d8b@mail.gmail.com>

> On MAC OS X Tiger 10.4.5 with rev 2.7
>
> I've made a stack, one only, no substack and set the windowshape of
> this stack to an img.
>
> OK
>
> BUT
>
> I cannot move the stack. It appears on the screen and I cannot move
> this window to put it on another place of the screen. I've tried to
> grab the stack with the mouse every possible point of the window : it
> doesn't move !
>

Check out Klaus's Christmas tree stack
<http://www.major-k.de/staxx/xmastree1.rev.zip>.

When you use a window shape, you loose the title bar which is normally
used for moving. You also lose the close button, so both these
functions need to be allowed for in another way. Have a look at the
scripts in Klaus's stack and you'll see how this can be done.

Cheers,
Sarah


From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Tue Mar 14 01:49:11 2006
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:49:11 +0100
Subject: Move stack problem
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860603132247x5dc0f07ct92b7376f5d844d8b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <35B5C1E7-3285-4806-85FA-54AF23BB3648@skynet.be>
	<f99b52860603132247x5dc0f07ct92b7376f5d844d8b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3DDDF287-8AD6-49C3-AF69-64B84D4F5E59@skynet.be>


Le 14 mars 06 ? 07:47, Sarah Reichelt a ?crit :
>
> Check out Klaus's Christmas tree stack
> <http://www.major-k.de/staxx/xmastree1.rev.zip>.
>
> When you use a window shape, you loose the title bar which is normally
> used for moving. You also lose the close button, so both these
> functions need to be allowed for in another way. Have a look at the
> scripts in Klaus's stack and you'll see how this can be done.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah

Thank you Sarah. it's just the answer to my question.

Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Mar 14 01:44:53 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 00:44:53 -0600
Subject: [OT] RevCentral Newsletter #7 [ANN] RevConWest is ALIVE!!!
Message-ID: <44166665.4070306@chipp.com>

Hey gang,

Once again, another issue of RevCentral Newsletter is making the rounds. 
If haven't already seen it in your InBox, then you can subscribe (free) at:

http://www.altuit.com/webs/revCentral/revCentralHome/default.htm

This issue has all the news about RevConWest from Dan. Hope you take 
time to check it out!

If you're not subscribed, you can view the newsletter at:
http://www.altuit.com/webs/revCentral/Number7/default.htm

-Chipp



From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Mar 14 01:47:53 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 00:47:53 -0600
Subject: [ANN] altSQLite ships Linux Version and more...
Message-ID: <44166719.6080905@chipp.com>

You altSQLite users are in for a treat. The new Linux version is out and 
it's a FREE upgrade to existing altSQLite3 users! Check out the 
altSQLite website for details:

http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altSQLiteCover/default.htm

Also, there's a new version of the Demo/Installer which installs the 
connector and QueryBuilder files correctly on Rev 2.7.

Plus, Mac users now get a free update to altSQLite3 which fixes a few 
obscure bugs, and updates the SQLite version so it's more compatible 
with other open source SQLite products.

Enjoy,
Chipp



From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Tue Mar 14 04:47:59 2006
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:47:59 +0100
Subject: Multi-Platform ?
Message-ID: <d4ab112f5825a2e9e0ab6f5b3f5aff12@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Paris,

After buying DreamCard just a few months ago,
(just before they discontinued the product !),
I was amazed at the speed at which I could
convert my Hypercard Stacks to DreamCard.
It was a pleasure to discover the 1001 useful
improvements. My stacks were up and running
on the Mac within days, and I can honestly say
that some of my scripts are pretty hefty. I spent more
than ten years with HyperCard, developing my own
little world, and I now WANT it in DreamCard. Of course,
I had the classical problems of trying to find what
DreamCard function replaced the XFCN and XCMD
goodies from Rinaldi & Co., but it was fun, and it forced
me to read the documentation !

Then I started to move my stacks to the PC, running under
the Oh so impermeable "Stack Runner", and then .... the
glitter wore off somewhat.

Result : Some functions DON'T, some button scripts
DON'T, some fields have the wrong fonts , or the wrong
font size or fontheight, etc.  And of course, on the PC
I see absolutely nothing about what is wrong.

So I go from Mac to PC, painstakingly adding :

      answer "So far - so good !"

commands to my scripts, and displaying intermediate
results in new fields on my cards, to see what I was
doing wrong - because obviously, I was doing SOMETHING
wrong ! As an example, It took me a week to find the
incorrect use of the "not equal" sign on the PC (OK, so
it WAS noted in the doc, and it WAS my fault !)

I have finally come to the conclusion that the only
mistake I made was NOT to have bought the PC
version of DreamCard at the same time !

Unfortunately - now it's too late !

I learned a lot in the last month, and have come
up with 3 decisions and 2 questions.

Decision 1 - I love DreamCard - it's GREAT !
Decision 2 - I don't want to pay ?199 (or more)
Decision 3 - I don't want version 2.7

Question 1 - Having bought DreamCard on one
platform, why can't we have the option to buy the
other (PC) platform development DreamCard (at
some cut-price rate), to iron out the platform problems ?

Question 2 - Is there ANY way I can legally buy DreamCard
2.6.1 for PC (from anybody !), so I can get my stacks up
and running on my PC with no sweat ?

This is a call to anybody who bought DreamCard 2.6.1
for PC, and has decided not to use it any more !

- Francis




From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Tue Mar 14 06:34:20 2006
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:34:20 +0000
Subject: QTVRs (was: Rev on Intel iMacs)
In-Reply-To: <911CAD9B-D872-4A30-BD82-E87B839750FC@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <p06230900c03b44c482ac@[172.30.23.192]>
	<C70F2A48-D587-49A6-A04D-C20E537387FA@azurevision.co.uk>
	<911CAD9B-D872-4A30-BD82-E87B839750FC@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <C7939E87-6B1E-4CDA-B506-600B3BC6F564@azurevision.co.uk>


On 13 Mar 2006, at 17:13, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> On Mar 13, 2006, at 8:31 AM, Ian Wood wrote:
>
>> 2.7.1 !?!
>>
>> I just had a look at a QTVR file - zooming in and out was quite  
>> jerky, in fact the performance was appalling overall, frame rates  
>> must have been in single figures on a dual G5. On the other hand,  
>> simply showing a QTVR file is no longer using 100% of a processor...
>
> This is a result of the Rev transition to the newer QuickTime APIs  
> that report how often an application needs to idle QuickTime  
> movies.  How often you idle a QTVR determines how smooth the  
> playback is.  It should be fixed in the 2.7.1 release but for the  
> time being you can reduce the idleRate property to something like  
> 10 and see really smooth playback.

Bingo! Thanks Trevor. Although I did notice some odd effects with  
resting CPU-usage with different idleRates:
16 or lower - 90-100%
17 - 4-8%
18-19 - 9-12%
20 - 30%
over 20 it ramps down again


From chris at carroll-davis.co.uk  Tue Mar 14 07:35:36 2006
From: chris at carroll-davis.co.uk (Chris Carroll-Davis)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:35:36 +0000
Subject: Render Images
Message-ID: <8FC44EE1-9B7C-4E76-8311-CA45CE65B2A0@carroll-davis.co.uk>

Hello all -

I've been away for a few months and lo! when I get back to Rev (just  
when I thought I was starting to get the hang of it) they go and  
release a new version...   :-)

A question:  the release blurb for 2.7 says: "Render an image from  
any object on-screen, preserving the alpha channel, then transform  
and save."  Now this seems to be exactly what I need!...  I would  
like to convert some formatted text (i.e. a field) to a PNG file with  
transparency.  Can I do this in 2.7?  Can't find reference to this in  
docs.

I can achieve a similar effect by exporting (via snapshot) text on a  
white background then displaying resulting image using the "multiply"  
or "screen" inks (which are brilliant, btw) but that limits my  
options for colours in text.

Any ideas???

Regards,

Chris


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Tue Mar 14 08:09:26 2006
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:09:26 +0000
Subject: Render Images
In-Reply-To: <8FC44EE1-9B7C-4E76-8311-CA45CE65B2A0@carroll-davis.co.uk>
References: <8FC44EE1-9B7C-4E76-8311-CA45CE65B2A0@carroll-davis.co.uk>
Message-ID: <B5D3C86D-D899-4C2A-95AC-5A971565FF77@azurevision.co.uk>


On 14 Mar 2006, at 12:35, Chris Carroll-Davis wrote:

> A question:  the release blurb for 2.7 says: "Render an image from  
> any object on-screen, preserving the alpha channel, then transform  
> and save."  Now this seems to be exactly what I need!...  I would  
> like to convert some formatted text (i.e. a field) to a PNG file  
> with transparency.  Can I do this in 2.7?  Can't find reference to  
> this in docs.

import snapshot from fld "test"
or
export snapshot from fld "test" to file "test.png" as PNG

Having made sure that the opaque of the field is set to false first  
so that there is actually some transparency to capture. This is VERY  
powerful as it takes the info from the object directly - it doesn't  
matter if there are other objects on top. A dream come true for some  
of my apps...

> I can achieve a similar effect by exporting (via snapshot) text on  
> a white background then displaying resulting image using the  
> "multiply" or "screen" inks (which are brilliant, btw) but that  
> limits my options for colours in text.

If you just want to show text over other colours you can use a  
regular text field with the opaque set to false - no limitations on  
colours, and works in older versions of Rev.

Ian


From chris at carroll-davis.co.uk  Tue Mar 14 08:43:42 2006
From: chris at carroll-davis.co.uk (Chris Carroll-Davis)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:43:42 +0000
Subject: Render Images
In-Reply-To: <B5D3C86D-D899-4C2A-95AC-5A971565FF77@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <8FC44EE1-9B7C-4E76-8311-CA45CE65B2A0@carroll-davis.co.uk>
	<B5D3C86D-D899-4C2A-95AC-5A971565FF77@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5DFC84FD-5DBC-4678-A796-996009B267CB@carroll-davis.co.uk>

Ian -

Thanks so much - that's perfect!   I am writing a multimedia app that  
needs to display text in many, many languages.  Whilst Unicode goes a  
long to help, it is not a panacea - e.g. can you display Cambodian  
and Thai on your machine?  I'm writing a utility that means that as  
long as our translators can correctly see the text (as text) on their  
machine we can export the text as a graphic to display correctly  
within the app on anyone's machine.

By the way - where did you find this syntax?  Is there a document I'm  
missing?  I checked through the Rev docs and User guide pdf but  
couldn't find any reference to it...

Thanks again!

Chris


On 14 Mar 2006, at 13:09, Ian Wood wrote:

>
> On 14 Mar 2006, at 12:35, Chris Carroll-Davis wrote:
>
>> A question:  the release blurb for 2.7 says: "Render an image from  
>> any object on-screen, preserving the alpha channel, then transform  
>> and save."  Now this seems to be exactly what I need!...  I would  
>> like to convert some formatted text (i.e. a field) to a PNG file  
>> with transparency.  Can I do this in 2.7?  Can't find reference to  
>> this in docs.
>
> import snapshot from fld "test"
> or
> export snapshot from fld "test" to file "test.png" as PNG
>
> Having made sure that the opaque of the field is set to false first  
> so that there is actually some transparency to capture. This is  
> VERY powerful as it takes the info from the object directly - it  
> doesn't matter if there are other objects on top. A dream come true  
> for some of my apps...
>
>> I can achieve a similar effect by exporting (via snapshot) text on  
>> a white background then displaying resulting image using the  
>> "multiply" or "screen" inks (which are brilliant, btw) but that  
>> limits my options for colours in text.
>
> If you just want to show text over other colours you can use a  
> regular text field with the opaque set to false - no limitations on  
> colours, and works in older versions of Rev.
>
> Ian
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Tue Mar 14 08:49:32 2006
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:49:32 +0000
Subject: Render Images
In-Reply-To: <5DFC84FD-5DBC-4678-A796-996009B267CB@carroll-davis.co.uk>
References: <8FC44EE1-9B7C-4E76-8311-CA45CE65B2A0@carroll-davis.co.uk>
	<B5D3C86D-D899-4C2A-95AC-5A971565FF77@azurevision.co.uk>
	<5DFC84FD-5DBC-4678-A796-996009B267CB@carroll-davis.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DC1DE99A-80EC-406C-BDE7-ABCF4C54621C@azurevision.co.uk>

In the docs for import/ export snapshot:

"To export a snapshot of a specific (non-stack) object, use the form:

export snapshot from [rect[angle] ] of chunk to ...

Where chunk is any chunk expression resolving to a control, or any  
expression evaluating to a control reference."

As usual it took me a little trial and error to turn the docs into  
actual code, in this case by trying to be too complex - now to see if  
it'll work on groups...

Ian

On 14 Mar 2006, at 13:43, Chris Carroll-Davis wrote:

> Ian -
>
> Thanks so much - that's perfect!   I am writing a multimedia app  
> that needs to display text in many, many languages.  Whilst Unicode  
> goes a long to help, it is not a panacea - e.g. can you display  
> Cambodian and Thai on your machine?  I'm writing a utility that  
> means that as long as our translators can correctly see the text  
> (as text) on their machine we can export the text as a graphic to  
> display correctly within the app on anyone's machine.
>
> By the way - where did you find this syntax?  Is there a document  
> I'm missing?  I checked through the Rev docs and User guide pdf but  
> couldn't find any reference to it...
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Chris
>
>
> On 14 Mar 2006, at 13:09, Ian Wood wrote:
>
>>
>> On 14 Mar 2006, at 12:35, Chris Carroll-Davis wrote:
>>
>>> A question:  the release blurb for 2.7 says: "Render an image  
>>> from any object on-screen, preserving the alpha channel, then  
>>> transform and save."  Now this seems to be exactly what I  
>>> need!...  I would like to convert some formatted text (i.e. a  
>>> field) to a PNG file with transparency.  Can I do this in 2.7?   
>>> Can't find reference to this in docs.
>>
>> import snapshot from fld "test"
>> or
>> export snapshot from fld "test" to file "test.png" as PNG
>>
>> Having made sure that the opaque of the field is set to false  
>> first so that there is actually some transparency to capture. This  
>> is VERY powerful as it takes the info from the object directly -  
>> it doesn't matter if there are other objects on top. A dream come  
>> true for some of my apps...
>>
>>> I can achieve a similar effect by exporting (via snapshot) text  
>>> on a white background then displaying resulting image using the  
>>> "multiply" or "screen" inks (which are brilliant, btw) but that  
>>> limits my options for colours in text.
>>
>> If you just want to show text over other colours you can use a  
>> regular text field with the opaque set to false - no limitations  
>> on colours, and works in older versions of Rev.
>>
>> Ian
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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>
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From jonathandlynch at gmail.com  Tue Mar 14 08:59:25 2006
From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (Jonathan Lynch)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:59:25 -0500
Subject: Grouping inside Grouping not that robust
In-Reply-To: <FC29E69A-952C-4A7D-B969-7D434907F62A@hindu.org>
References: <20ECCA3C-CC73-4B4B-B84E-56FC5B16237F@videotron.ca>
	<282F89B0-FAB3-4FC9-94A4-CC23BEF57E95@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<70ed6b130603111553v324c73bevaff06ff89337db5a@mail.gmail.com>
	<p06230907c039144f8dc1@192.168.1.103>
	<FC29E69A-952C-4A7D-B969-7D434907F62A@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <31e1938c0603140559j40d0510csd11b0ecde8995a16@mail.gmail.com>

I go eight levels deep with groups in Task Mage, and it works great.

There are a few things you need to realize when doing this, but once you get
the methodology worked out, it is not a problem.

Also, you can know how deep you are by parsing the long name of an object.

like this:

put the long name of me into tName
replace " of " with comma in tName
put the number of items in tName into tNumberOfLevelsDeep


As for objects dissappearing, they are probably off to the side, out of the
exposed area of a group. I would be happy to check out your stack to see if
I can see what is wrong.

Take care,

Jonathan


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Tue Mar 14 09:02:09 2006
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:02:09 +0000
Subject: Render Images
In-Reply-To: <DC1DE99A-80EC-406C-BDE7-ABCF4C54621C@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <8FC44EE1-9B7C-4E76-8311-CA45CE65B2A0@carroll-davis.co.uk>
	<B5D3C86D-D899-4C2A-95AC-5A971565FF77@azurevision.co.uk>
	<5DFC84FD-5DBC-4678-A796-996009B267CB@carroll-davis.co.uk>
	<DC1DE99A-80EC-406C-BDE7-ABCF4C54621C@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <A7A5420E-8153-455D-B149-0990DE4C10D7@azurevision.co.uk>


On 14 Mar 2006, at 13:49, Ian Wood wrote:

> now to see if it'll work on groups...

It does. Opens up possibilities for faking soft dropshadows using  
several translucent copies behind the main field, group the lot and  
export:

<http://azurevision.co.uk/rev/misc/dropshadow.png>

Drag over a mid-tine background for the best effect.

Ian


From chris at carroll-davis.co.uk  Tue Mar 14 09:06:17 2006
From: chris at carroll-davis.co.uk (Chris Carroll-Davis)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:06:17 +0000
Subject: Render Images
In-Reply-To: <DC1DE99A-80EC-406C-BDE7-ABCF4C54621C@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <8FC44EE1-9B7C-4E76-8311-CA45CE65B2A0@carroll-davis.co.uk>
	<B5D3C86D-D899-4C2A-95AC-5A971565FF77@azurevision.co.uk>
	<5DFC84FD-5DBC-4678-A796-996009B267CB@carroll-davis.co.uk>
	<DC1DE99A-80EC-406C-BDE7-ABCF4C54621C@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <89DDE320-DB98-4622-B39E-5C78A7750C74@carroll-davis.co.uk>

Ian -

DOH!

I saw that in the docs, but just thought it was taking the rect info  
of the object to get a partial screen grab.  Should read more  
carefully... Should read more carefully... Should read more  
carefully... Should read more carefully... Should read more  
carefully... Should read more carefully...

Just tried it with a group and it seems to work beautifully!

C


On 14 Mar 2006, at 13:49, Ian Wood wrote:

> In the docs for import/ export snapshot:
>
> "To export a snapshot of a specific (non-stack) object, use the form:
>
> export snapshot from [rect[angle] ] of chunk to ...
>
> Where chunk is any chunk expression resolving to a control, or any  
> expression evaluating to a control reference."
>
> As usual it took me a little trial and error to turn the docs into  
> actual code, in this case by trying to be too complex - now to see  
> if it'll work on groups...
>
> Ian
>
> On 14 Mar 2006, at 13:43, Chris Carroll-Davis wrote:
>
>> Ian -
>>
>> Thanks so much - that's perfect!   I am writing a multimedia app  
>> that needs to display text in many, many languages.  Whilst  
>> Unicode goes a long to help, it is not a panacea - e.g. can you  
>> display Cambodian and Thai on your machine?  I'm writing a utility  
>> that means that as long as our translators can correctly see the  
>> text (as text) on their machine we can export the text as a  
>> graphic to display correctly within the app on anyone's machine.
>>
>> By the way - where did you find this syntax?  Is there a document  
>> I'm missing?  I checked through the Rev docs and User guide pdf  
>> but couldn't find any reference to it...
>>
>> Thanks again!
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> On 14 Mar 2006, at 13:09, Ian Wood wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 14 Mar 2006, at 12:35, Chris Carroll-Davis wrote:
>>>
>>>> A question:  the release blurb for 2.7 says: "Render an image  
>>>> from any object on-screen, preserving the alpha channel, then  
>>>> transform and save."  Now this seems to be exactly what I  
>>>> need!...  I would like to convert some formatted text (i.e. a  
>>>> field) to a PNG file with transparency.  Can I do this in 2.7?   
>>>> Can't find reference to this in docs.
>>>
>>> import snapshot from fld "test"
>>> or
>>> export snapshot from fld "test" to file "test.png" as PNG
>>>
>>> Having made sure that the opaque of the field is set to false  
>>> first so that there is actually some transparency to capture.  
>>> This is VERY powerful as it takes the info from the object  
>>> directly - it doesn't matter if there are other objects on top. A  
>>> dream come true for some of my apps...
>>>
>>>> I can achieve a similar effect by exporting (via snapshot) text  
>>>> on a white background then displaying resulting image using the  
>>>> "multiply" or "screen" inks (which are brilliant, btw) but that  
>>>> limits my options for colours in text.
>>>
>>> If you just want to show text over other colours you can use a  
>>> regular text field with the opaque set to false - no limitations  
>>> on colours, and works in older versions of Rev.
>>>
>>> Ian
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
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From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Tue Mar 14 09:10:27 2006
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:10:27 -0300
Subject: [OT] Has anyone tried to send howsoft.com a bug report?
Message-ID: <4416CED3.6090802@howsoft.com>

At my site (www.howsoft.com) there is a link to a simple PHP form for 
the reporting of bugs. It is very rarely used (??!!)

Recently, I changed service provider, and I didn't realize that the old 
syntax of the PHP form would not work any more. Yesterday, someone tried 
to send me a bug report, but it arrived without the info typed by the 
sender, including his/her e-mail address.

If someone on this list is trying to report a bug, I want to know about 
it! If you have tried to send a report in the last day or so, please 
accept my apologies and try again.

Thanks.

Regards,
Bob Warren

P.S. E-mails can now be sent to me directly (even from the RR server) at 
the following address:

bobwarren at howsoft.com




From mvreade at earthlink.net  Tue Mar 14 09:21:02 2006
From: mvreade at earthlink.net (mvreade at earthlink.net)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:21:02 -0500
Subject: Making the move...
Message-ID: <9F95E0DF-9973-4D5B-9BB9-7F1821AE0D64@earthlink.net>

Kay,

Thank you for your thoughtful and extensive reply.  It sure helps me  
begin to wrap my head around what the development environment is all  
about.

I am, at this point, playing with both Revolution and RealBasic, and  
I'll probably be making a decision within the month. Your reply has  
been a great help.

Thanks.

Michael


From mvreade at earthlink.net  Tue Mar 14 09:40:18 2006
From: mvreade at earthlink.net (mvreade at earthlink.net)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:40:18 -0500
Subject: Making the move...
Message-ID: <F014087B-C553-4E87-8AF8-5C9F33632862@earthlink.net>

Josh,

Very strong statements. Wow!  If I may ask for further  
clarification... I have two questions I'd love you expound upon.

1)  RealBasic -- that's the main rival, as I see it.  I haven't  
written big enough apps to test, but it seem that the compiler is  
pretty fast. I wonder how they compare in development and upkeep of  
for database projects.  What are your thoughts about the 2  
development environments?

2) Revolution vs Ruby on Rails?  You mean to say you use Revolution  
to write browser enabled web-apps? Something I could access with  
Firefox?  If so, I'd love to hear more.

Thanks again for you very insightful comments.  I really appreciate  
them.

Michael



From rcozens at pon.net  Tue Mar 14 10:33:04 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:33:04 -0800
Subject: Thousands Separator on OSX
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20060313144629.052ab798@exchange.slg.com>
References: <36B4BF48-B5F1-42A1-AEF8-027DBE6A5309@upnaway.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060313144629.052ab798@exchange.slg.com>
Message-ID: <D3FC7EC3-B36F-11DA-BC04-0030657E1638@pon.net>


Hi Peter,

> To me it seems the Rev engine should give one access to this 
> setting...  Has someone BZed it?

I totally agree.  There should be a systemNumberFormat function to 
return decimal character, thousands separator, and currency symbol 
string and/or a formatNumber function that returns a numeric value 
formatted as per system preferences.  Especially since every solution 
posted here is platform-specific.

If you find or log this in BZ, post the # and I'll allocate some votes 
to it.


Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)

bb



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Mar 14 11:12:54 2006
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:12:54 -0800
Subject: QTVRs (was: Rev on Intel iMacs)
In-Reply-To: <C7939E87-6B1E-4CDA-B506-600B3BC6F564@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <p06230900c03b44c482ac@[172.30.23.192]>
	<C70F2A48-D587-49A6-A04D-C20E537387FA@azurevision.co.uk>
	<911CAD9B-D872-4A30-BD82-E87B839750FC@mangomultimedia.com>
	<C7939E87-6B1E-4CDA-B506-600B3BC6F564@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <B6D05B44-D12A-4140-B573-F149B61EFB16@mangomultimedia.com>

On Mar 14, 2006, at 3:34 AM, Ian Wood wrote:
>
> Bingo! Thanks Trevor. Although I did notice some odd effects with  
> resting CPU-usage with different idleRates:
> 16 or lower - 90-100%
> 17 - 4-8%
> 18-19 - 9-12%
> 20 - 30%
> over 20 it ramps down again

Yeah, you usually don't want to have the idle rate low like that.   
What happens is that QuickTime reports that certain media types need  
to be idled as often as possible (QTVR, AXEL component, etc.).  Right  
now Rev idles (updates) these movies at the idleRate.  This isn't  
fast enough for QTVR though.  I would leave the idleRate alone for  
now and just wait for 2.7.1.  Playing with the value is just to show  
that there isn't any major problem with QTVR, just that it isn't  
being idled enough.


-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems - http://www.bluemangolearning.com
trevor at bluemangolearning.com




From simplsol at aol.com  Tue Mar 14 11:55:19 2006
From: simplsol at aol.com (simplsol at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:55:19 -0500
Subject: Rev in Rosetta
Message-ID: <8C8159F35D71ECA-1A30-8B78@FWM-R17.sysops.aol.com>

There have been some requests for info on the new Macs with the Intel 
processors:
  I've been using an Intel iMac for two days now. The only problem in 
that time was a lockup trying to read from a flash drive. I restarted 
and never had the problem again.
 As for Rev in Rosetta:
  I don't have many empirical, stop watch, tests but importing and 
converting a large stack to a database required 3.4 minutes on the 2.0 
GHZ iMac (stock 512 K RAM). The same import required 6.8 minutes on my 
1.67 GHZ PowerBook (1 GB RAM).
  Everything "feels" faster on the iMac than the PB. Opening Rev files, 
coding, running code, debugging, etc. are all more than acceptable. I 
don't use heavy image manipulation or QuickTime so there may be issues 
I've not encountered that would be a problem for other users but for my 
work Rosetta works. With a Universal Binary Rev this computer should 
fly!
  Paul Looney


From jonathandlynch at gmail.com  Tue Mar 14 12:10:59 2006
From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (Jonathan Lynch)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:10:59 -0500
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <F014087B-C553-4E87-8AF8-5C9F33632862@earthlink.net>
References: <F014087B-C553-4E87-8AF8-5C9F33632862@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <31e1938c0603140910x73f83aa2y73fc337250a8516c@mail.gmail.com>

If you search the archives, you will find countless RunRev Vs. Real Basic
discussions.

I think it breaks down to your needs and your programming style. For me,
RunRev and Transcript just fit with my brain really well.


From mvreade at earthlink.net  Tue Mar 14 12:26:04 2006
From: mvreade at earthlink.net (mvreade at earthlink.net)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:26:04 -0500
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <31e1938c0603140910x73f83aa2y73fc337250a8516c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F014087B-C553-4E87-8AF8-5C9F33632862@earthlink.net>
	<31e1938c0603140910x73f83aa2y73fc337250a8516c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DDF65E4B-9366-4295-88F2-99C3F3CFB471@earthlink.net>

I will.  Could you please elaborate on the second question is asked:

2) Revolution vs Ruby on Rails?  You mean to say you use Revolution  
to write browser enabled web-apps? Something I could access with  
Firefox?  If so, I'd love to hear more.

Thanks.

Michael


On Mar 14, 2006, at 12:10 PM, Jonathan Lynch wrote:

> If you search the archives, you will find countless RunRev Vs. Real  
> Basic
> discussions.
>
> I think it breaks down to your needs and your programming style.  
> For me,
> RunRev and Transcript just fit with my brain really well.
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From davis.phil at comcast.net  Tue Mar 14 13:08:39 2006
From: davis.phil at comcast.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:08:39 -0800
Subject: Rev in Rosetta (inflight fun)
In-Reply-To: <8C8159F35D71ECA-1A30-8B78@FWM-R17.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8C8159F35D71ECA-1A30-8B78@FWM-R17.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <441706A7.40608@comcast.net>

Sorry - Paul paints too visual a picture for me to resist... disclaimer: 
I don't know flight jargon.

simplsol at aol.com wrote:
-- snip --
> work Rosetta works. With a Universal Binary Rev this computer should fly!

on joyRide
   set the weightUnits to grams
   set the weight of the machine to -5
   set the attitude of the machine to +15
   lock thrust
   set the thrustUnits to pounds
   set the thrust of the machine to 100000
   send "holdOn" to the topStack
   unlock thrust with effect increase to maximum in 5 seconds
end joyRide


Just 4 Fun -
Phil Davis



From Karen at curlypaws.com  Tue Mar 14 13:53:41 2006
From: Karen at curlypaws.com (Karen)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:53:41 +0000
Subject: [ANN] altSQLite ships Linux Version and more...
In-Reply-To: <20060314130558.068D8825561@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060314130558.068D8825561@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <48F24A83-216F-454F-9A01-D04DE480838A@curlypaws.com>


On 14 Mar 2006, at 13:05, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Plus, Mac users now get a free update to altSQLite3 which fixes a few
> obscure bugs, and updates the SQLite version so it's more compatible
> with other open source SQLite products.

Thanks Chipp, I'm very pleased with altSQLite3 - it makes database  
use with Rev about as easy as it could be.  What with altBrowser,  
altFont and InterfaceDesigner I think that you've got a fairly  
indispensable group of utilities there!

Karen


From cmsheffield at gmail.com  Tue Mar 14 14:01:30 2006
From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:01:30 -0700
Subject: filter question
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860603131608s71a105d7g80b2b01a368dbc5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E9FC345F-A422-4EB8-8D08-00FCDFBAB955@gmail.com>
	<4415F331.7030204@comcast.net>
	<f99b52860603131608s71a105d7g80b2b01a368dbc5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AC74AC59-36D0-4EA4-8916-30F0D6F8573E@gmail.com>

Thanks, Sarah.  I ended up going with a solution similar to this to  
get the job done.  I thought Phil's suggestion would have worked, and  
that's what I was trying to do, but unfortunately it didn't.

But thanks to all who responded.

Chris


On Mar 13, 2006, at 5:08 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> It might be faster to filter the list simply to reduce it to lines
> that contain the filter string anywhere, and then do a loop to check
> if the filter string is in the correct item.
>
> -- gather the original data and the required settings
> put fld "List" into tList
> put fld "Filter into Filter
> put 3 into tItemNum
>
> -- do the first filter to reduce the list
> filter tList with "*" & tFilter & "*"
>
> -- loop through making sure it appears in the right item
> put empty into tMatches
> repeat for each line L in tList
>   if item tItemNum of L contains tFilter then put L & cr after  
> tMatches
> end repeat
>
> -- remove the trailing cr
> delete last char of tMatches
>
> -- display the matching results
> put tMatches into fld "Results"
>
>
> Cheers.
> Sarah
>
> On 3/14/06, Phil Davis <davis.phil at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> To filter on column 3, are you using something like this?
>>
>>    put fld "list" into tList
>>    filter tList \
>>        with "*" & tab & "*" & tab & fld "filter" & tab & "*"
>>    put tList into fld "list"
>>
>> If so, it seems like that should work.
>>
>> Phil Davis
>>
>>
>> Chris Sheffield wrote:
>>> I'm trying to apply a filter to a list field.  The columns of  
>>> the  field
>>> are tab delimited.  I have a separate "filter" field that  allows  
>>> the
>>> user to apply a filter to the list based on whichever  column is the
>>> current sort column.  I can get the filter to work fine  so long  
>>> as the
>>> first column is selected, but anything else does not  work.
>>>
>>> How can I apply a filter to a list based on say item 3 of each  
>>> line  of
>>> that list?  Is that possible?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------
>>> Chris Sheffield
>>> Read Naturally
>>> The Fluency Company
>>> http://www.readnaturally.com
>>> ------------------------------------------
>>
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Read Naturally
The Fluency Company
http://www.readnaturally.com
------------------------------------------




From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 14 14:25:45 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:25:45 -0800
Subject: filter question
In-Reply-To: <AC74AC59-36D0-4EA4-8916-30F0D6F8573E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C03C58B9.36099%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Hey, Chris, 

I know you probably don't have the time, but I am wondering why Phil's
solution did not work.  I use the filter command all the time and Phil had
the correct syntax and useage, as far as I could see.

Mostly just curiosity to find exceptions or tricky problems for future
reference.  Surprised it did not work.

Thanks,
Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 3/14/06 11:01 AM, "Chris Sheffield" <cmsheffield at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Sarah.  I ended up going with a solution similar to this to
> get the job done.  I thought Phil's suggestion would have worked, and
> that's what I was trying to do, but unfortunately it didn't.
> 
> But thanks to all who responded.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> On Mar 13, 2006, at 5:08 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> 
>> It might be faster to filter the list simply to reduce it to lines
>> that contain the filter string anywhere, and then do a loop to check
>> if the filter string is in the correct item.
>> 
>> -- gather the original data and the required settings
>> put fld "List" into tList
>> put fld "Filter into Filter
>> put 3 into tItemNum
>> 
>> -- do the first filter to reduce the list
>> filter tList with "*" & tFilter & "*"
>> 
>> -- loop through making sure it appears in the right item
>> put empty into tMatches
>> repeat for each line L in tList
>>   if item tItemNum of L contains tFilter then put L & cr after
>> tMatches
>> end repeat
>> 
>> -- remove the trailing cr
>> delete last char of tMatches
>> 
>> -- display the matching results
>> put tMatches into fld "Results"
>> 
>> Sarah
>> 
>> On 3/14/06, Phil Davis <davis.phil at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Hi Chris,
>>> 
>>> To filter on column 3, are you using something like this?
>>> 
>>>    put fld "list" into tList
>>>    filter tList \
>>>        with "*" & tab & "*" & tab & fld "filter" & tab & "*"
>>>    put tList into fld "list"
>>> 
>>> Phil Davis
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Chris Sheffield wrote:
>>>> I'm trying to apply a filter to a list field.  The columns of
>>>> the  field
>>>> are tab delimited.  I have a separate "filter" field that  allows
>>>> the
>>>> user to apply a filter to the list based on whichever  column is the
>>>> current sort column.  I can get the filter to work fine  so long
>>>> as the
>>>> first column is selected, but anything else does not  work.
>>>> 
>>>> How can I apply a filter to a list based on say item 3 of each
>>>> line  of
>>>> that list?  Is that possible?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Chris
>>>> 
>>>> 




From cmsheffield at gmail.com  Tue Mar 14 14:31:35 2006
From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:31:35 -0700
Subject: filter question
In-Reply-To: <C03C58B9.36099%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C03C58B9.36099%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4E2F8AE5-C569-49E3-8A7A-CECEEBC7A3D0@gmail.com>

I'm not really 100% sure to be honest.  I think it's because in my  
case I have to account for filtering with only a partial string.  So  
for example, if my user enters "a", the filter needs to return any  
records where say the third item of each line begins with "a".

Because Phil's solution uses tabs around the filter string (tab & fld  
"filter" & tab), it doesn't work quite right for me.  I tried a  
couple different modifications, including placing *'s between the  
filter string and the tabs, to make it work for me but couldn't find  
anything that worked in all cases.

Hope that provides you with a little more information.

Chris


On Mar 14, 2006, at 12:25 PM, Jim Ault wrote:

> Hey, Chris,
>
> I know you probably don't have the time, but I am wondering why Phil's
> solution did not work.  I use the filter command all the time and  
> Phil had
> the correct syntax and useage, as far as I could see.
>
> Mostly just curiosity to find exceptions or tricky problems for future
> reference.  Surprised it did not work.
>
> Thanks,
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
>
> On 3/14/06 11:01 AM, "Chris Sheffield" <cmsheffield at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Sarah.  I ended up going with a solution similar to this to
>> get the job done.  I thought Phil's suggestion would have worked, and
>> that's what I was trying to do, but unfortunately it didn't.
>>
>> But thanks to all who responded.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> On Mar 13, 2006, at 5:08 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>>
>>> It might be faster to filter the list simply to reduce it to lines
>>> that contain the filter string anywhere, and then do a loop to check
>>> if the filter string is in the correct item.
>>>
>>> -- gather the original data and the required settings
>>> put fld "List" into tList
>>> put fld "Filter into Filter
>>> put 3 into tItemNum
>>>
>>> -- do the first filter to reduce the list
>>> filter tList with "*" & tFilter & "*"
>>>
>>> -- loop through making sure it appears in the right item
>>> put empty into tMatches
>>> repeat for each line L in tList
>>>   if item tItemNum of L contains tFilter then put L & cr after
>>> tMatches
>>> end repeat
>>>
>>> -- remove the trailing cr
>>> delete last char of tMatches
>>>
>>> -- display the matching results
>>> put tMatches into fld "Results"
>>>
>>> Sarah
>>>
>>> On 3/14/06, Phil Davis <davis.phil at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>
>>>> To filter on column 3, are you using something like this?
>>>>
>>>>    put fld "list" into tList
>>>>    filter tList \
>>>>        with "*" & tab & "*" & tab & fld "filter" & tab & "*"
>>>>    put tList into fld "list"
>>>>
>>>> Phil Davis
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chris Sheffield wrote:
>>>>> I'm trying to apply a filter to a list field.  The columns of
>>>>> the  field
>>>>> are tab delimited.  I have a separate "filter" field that  allows
>>>>> the
>>>>> user to apply a filter to the list based on whichever  column  
>>>>> is the
>>>>> current sort column.  I can get the filter to work fine  so long
>>>>> as the
>>>>> first column is selected, but anything else does not  work.
>>>>>
>>>>> How can I apply a filter to a list based on say item 3 of each
>>>>> line  of
>>>>> that list?  Is that possible?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>
>
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------------------------------------------
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Read Naturally
The Fluency Company
http://www.readnaturally.com
------------------------------------------




From Stgoldberg at aol.com  Tue Mar 14 15:09:43 2006
From: Stgoldberg at aol.com (Stgoldberg at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:09:43 EST
Subject: Can't delete standalone in Windows
Message-ID: <c4.3817d19d.31487d07@aol.com>

Recently I've noted a problem on building standalones (on my Mac OS X using 
Rev 2.7) and moving them to Windows. While the standalones work on Windows, if 
I try to move them to the trash in Windows, I get a message:

"Cannot delete (the program). Access is denied.   Make sure the disk is not 
full or write protected and that the file in not currently in use."

The problem is that the file is not in use, I have about 200gb of   disk 
space, there is no password needed to access the computer, and I do not have this 
problem with other kinds of files.   The only way I can trash the files is to 
restart the computer and try again. I do not know if this is a problem with 
Revolution or with my Windows computer. Any suggestions?   Thanks. 
Steve Goldberg


From twright at jamestown.wnyric.org  Tue Mar 14 15:17:04 2006
From: twright at jamestown.wnyric.org (Thom Wright)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:17:04 -0500
Subject: can someone show me a CRM solution
Message-ID: <fc.007582c000907dab007582c000907dab.907dc0@jamestown.wnyric.org>

If possible, could someone point me towards a CRM solution created with runrev.  

thanks,


Thom Wright
School Counselor
Jefferson Middle School



From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Tue Mar 14 15:20:16 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:20:16 -0800
Subject: Group Object?
In-Reply-To: <4415EFA9.10301@paraboliclogic.com>
References: <f73a98160603121748t6f4691b0qe4aee39e032fa938@mail.gmail.com>	<4414D4D0.6050900@paraboliclogic.com>	<6373341C-9A60-4EAB-9B26-E60AC1F1824C@inspiredlogic.com>	<4415DF2D.40303@paraboliclogic.com>	<6148617B-6584-4CA4-BF6F-1074035F7D62@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<4415EFA9.10301@paraboliclogic.com>
Message-ID: <44172580.1060905@paraboliclogic.com>

Rev 2.6.1

Greetings,

Is there a panel object that has the same style of rounded corner border 
like the tabpanel object?  Or is there a way to achieve this using the 
tabpanel without the tab buttons on it?

Thanks,
-Garrett


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 14 15:24:57 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:24:57 -0800
Subject: filter question
In-Reply-To: <4E2F8AE5-C569-49E3-8A7A-CECEEBC7A3D0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C03C6699.360A6%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Yes, that clarifies the situation.  You probably need more that one format
and test for the differences, then apply the right version.

Thanks

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 3/14/06 11:31 AM, "Chris Sheffield" <cmsheffield at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm not really 100% sure to be honest.  I think it's because in my
> case I have to account for filtering with only a partial string.  So
> for example, if my user enters "a", the filter needs to return any
> records where say the third item of each line begins with "a".
> 
> Because Phil's solution uses tabs around the filter string (tab & fld
> "filter" & tab), it doesn't work quite right for me.  I tried a
> couple different modifications, including placing *'s between the
> filter string and the tabs, to make it work for me but couldn't find
> anything that worked in all cases.
> 
> Hope that provides you with a little more information.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> On Mar 14, 2006, at 12:25 PM, Jim Ault wrote:
> 
>> Hey, Chris,
>> 
>> I know you probably don't have the time, but I am wondering why Phil's
>> solution did not work.  I use the filter command all the time and
>> Phil had
>> the correct syntax and useage, as far as I could see.
>> 
>> Mostly just curiosity to find exceptions or tricky problems for future
>> reference.  Surprised it did not work.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Jim Ault
>> Las Vegas
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/14/06 11:01 AM, "Chris Sheffield" <cmsheffield at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks, Sarah.  I ended up going with a solution similar to this to
>>> get the job done.  I thought Phil's suggestion would have worked, and
>>> that's what I was trying to do, but unfortunately it didn't.
>>> 
>>> But thanks to all who responded.
>>> 
>>> Chris
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 13, 2006, at 5:08 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>>> 
>>>> It might be faster to filter the list simply to reduce it to lines
>>>> that contain the filter string anywhere, and then do a loop to check
>>>> if the filter string is in the correct item.
>>>> 
>>>> -- gather the original data and the required settings
>>>> put fld "List" into tList
>>>> put fld "Filter into Filter
>>>> put 3 into tItemNum
>>>> 
>>>> -- do the first filter to reduce the list
>>>> filter tList with "*" & tFilter & "*"
>>>> 
>>>> -- loop through making sure it appears in the right item
>>>> put empty into tMatches
>>>> repeat for each line L in tList
>>>>   if item tItemNum of L contains tFilter then put L & cr after
>>>> tMatches
>>>> end repeat
>>>> 
>>>> -- remove the trailing cr
>>>> delete last char of tMatches
>>>> 
>>>> -- display the matching results
>>>> put tMatches into fld "Results"
>>>> 
>>>> Sarah
>>>> 
>>>> On 3/14/06, Phil Davis <davis.phil at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>> 
>>>>> To filter on column 3, are you using something like this?
>>>>> 
>>>>>    put fld "list" into tList
>>>>>    filter tList \
>>>>>        with "*" & tab & "*" & tab & fld "filter" & tab & "*"
>>>>>    put tList into fld "list"
>>>>> 
>>>>> Phil Davis
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chris Sheffield wrote:
>>>>>> I'm trying to apply a filter to a list field.  The columns of
>>>>>> the  field
>>>>>> are tab delimited.  I have a separate "filter" field that  allows
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> user to apply a filter to the list based on whichever  column
>>>>>> is the
>>>>>> current sort column.  I can get the filter to work fine  so long
>>>>>> as the
>>>>>> first column is selected, but anything else does not  work.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> How can I apply a filter to a list based on say item 3 of each
>>>>>> line  of
>>>>>> that list?  Is that possible?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>> 
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> ------------------------------------------
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> Read Naturally
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> http://www.readnaturally.com
> ------------------------------------------
> 
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From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Tue Mar 14 15:28:56 2006
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:28:56 -0600
Subject: Button Label on graphic button
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060314142642.14b440c8@exchange.slg.com>

Is there any way to get Rev to center a button label on a graphical 
button?   It seems to only want to display it under the icon.

Peter T. Evensen
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588 



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Mar 14 15:32:09 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 06:32:09 +1000
Subject: Group Object?
In-Reply-To: <44172580.1060905@paraboliclogic.com>
References: <f73a98160603121748t6f4691b0qe4aee39e032fa938@mail.gmail.com>
	<4414D4D0.6050900@paraboliclogic.com>
	<6373341C-9A60-4EAB-9B26-E60AC1F1824C@inspiredlogic.com>
	<4415DF2D.40303@paraboliclogic.com>
	<6148617B-6584-4CA4-BF6F-1074035F7D62@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<4415EFA9.10301@paraboliclogic.com>
	<44172580.1060905@paraboliclogic.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603141232q6789015ey6c23c9a2d3c0bee7@mail.gmail.com>

> Rev 2.6.1
>
> Greetings,
>
> Is there a panel object that has the same style of rounded corner border
> like the tabpanel object?  Or is there a way to achieve this using the
> tabpanel without the tab buttons on it?

Make a group, set the showBorder to true and adjust the width of the
border until you get the right look. You may want to adjust the
margins of the group to get the edges further away from the objects
inside.

Cheers,
Sarah


From jonathandlynch at gmail.com  Tue Mar 14 15:33:23 2006
From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (Jonathan Lynch)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:33:23 -0500
Subject: Group Object?
In-Reply-To: <44172580.1060905@paraboliclogic.com>
References: <f73a98160603121748t6f4691b0qe4aee39e032fa938@mail.gmail.com>
	<4414D4D0.6050900@paraboliclogic.com>
	<6373341C-9A60-4EAB-9B26-E60AC1F1824C@inspiredlogic.com>
	<4415DF2D.40303@paraboliclogic.com>
	<6148617B-6584-4CA4-BF6F-1074035F7D62@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<4415EFA9.10301@paraboliclogic.com>
	<44172580.1060905@paraboliclogic.com>
Message-ID: <31e1938c0603141233r1bb8b97cy5023b24fbe875456@mail.gmail.com>

There are probably a dozen ways to accomplish this.

The best solution will depend on your needs, but you can, for example, have
an image in whatever shape you want, and make that image do just about
anything.

Depending on your system, buttons can be set with rounded corners.

There is, of course, the rounded rectangle object.


When I want a specifice shape, I always use images, because it gives me
complete control. But if you are having to continuously resize it, a rounded
rectangle might be better.

If this is mean to act as a containter of objects, you would need a group
with the rounded rectangle as the bottom most object of the group.


What do you need it for?


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Mar 14 15:35:59 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 06:35:59 +1000
Subject: Button Label on graphic button
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20060314142642.14b440c8@exchange.slg.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060314142642.14b440c8@exchange.slg.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603141235o916757co1ea6cf74ce51963e@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/15/06, Peter T. Evensen <pevensen at siboneylg.com> wrote:
> Is there any way to get Rev to center a button label on a graphical
> button?   It seems to only want to display it under the icon.
>

Adjust the margins of the button. Normally the margins is a single
number, but it can also be 4 comma-separated numbers, specifiying the
left, top, right & bottom margins respectively. Play around with
altering these and see if you can get the result you want.

Sarah


From wlists at fireworksmm.com  Tue Mar 14 15:45:47 2006
From: wlists at fireworksmm.com (Wally Rodriguez)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:45:47 -0500
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <02cd01c64459$9b8c0220$0502a8c0@MRTOSHIBA>
References: <02cd01c64459$9b8c0220$0502a8c0@MRTOSHIBA>
Message-ID: <115395F5-4D63-48D5-BA7A-439DCF1130F5@fireworksmm.com>

Hello Michael:

As a non-developer type I might be able to give you yet another  
perspective on Rev. I own a post-production finishing house for  
commercials. My days are crazy with just my normal job and then I  
have to manage the IT needs and I'm also in charge of engineering.

I did a very small amount of HyperCard programming back in '91-'93  
and have put together a few filemaker pro databases, but basically  
have no experience as a programmer.

The fact that the program can switch from "programming" mode to "run"  
mode while you work makes it very easy and quick to see what you're  
going to get.

Using Revolution I have been able to:

1. Automate our web page generation for client feedback. This is a  
relatively complex setup that reads movies placed in various folders  
on our webserver and with some user input, generates password- 
protected php web pages that look every bit as good as others out there.

2. Created a touch-screen interface for iTunes to run on a powerbook  
in my car.

3. Created a slate generator (slates are the identifiers used in  
commercials). This program combines some background image with text  
to create sequential countdowns for our video projects. It runs on XP  
and OSX. In the month or so it's been running it has generated over  
2000 images!

I'm in the process of building a home-control application that acts  
as a client to iRed (an infrared remote server). The cool thing about  
this app is that it's allowed me to rescue a couple of old machines  
to use as controllers. The standalone client currently runs on OS9,  
XP tablet edition and OSX. This in itself is pretty amazing.

All of this while doing the rest of my work and without looking back.  
I strongly recommend the product.

Two things, start with v 2.6.1, (especially if you're going to be  
developing on windows) and I understand that there is a deal where  
you get Constellation for free. It's worth the $50 it costs anyway,  
but free is soo much better! :-)

So I find that it's the easiest way to write code that can actually  
do something without having to lear a complex and cryptic language.

W.


On Mar 10, 2006, at 10:45 AM, Mvreade wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've been playing with Revolution for a few days and am VERY  
> impressed with its capabilities and ease of use.
>
> I do however, have a few questions and reservations, which  
> hopefully you guys can answer.
>
> I found it a bit buggy (using a iBook G4, 1G of memory, on OSX  
> 10.4).  The property inspector went blank a few times, the  
> application crashed once, the sample database query in the example  
> solutions was updating records, demo videos weren't displaying, to  
> mention a few.
>
> So the quesiton is, how good of an environment to work on is it?
>
> And how stable are the final applications?
>
> For users who have used Rev for databases, I was wondering what  
> it's like to develop a system with, say, 20 tables and lots or  
> relationships and methods?
>
> Where would one store all the methods?
>
> For relationships, would one just keep a VERYlong list of Database  
> Queries?
>
> Finally, does any one know if Runtime Revolution Ltd has any plans  
> to have a connection to an open source, embeddable database, such  
> as SQLite?
>
> Thanks for your help,
>
> Michael Reade
>
>
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From thierry.arbellot at laposte.net  Tue Mar 14 15:50:30 2006
From: thierry.arbellot at laposte.net (Thierry Arbellot)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 21:50:30 +0100
Subject: Can't delete standalone in Windows
In-Reply-To: <c4.3817d19d.31487d07@aol.com>
References: <c4.3817d19d.31487d07@aol.com>
Message-ID: <ab6e0f65534ab6b7f29cc514b57b2019@laposte.net>

Hi Steve,

I had sometimes the same problem when I copy the standalone from the 
Mac to the PC through the network (I connect from the Mac and the PC is 
mounted as a network disk).
MacOS may lock the copied file on the PC. I must eject the PC to unlock 
the file.
Hope it helps
Thierry

On 2006, Mar 14, , at 21:09, Stgoldberg at aol.com wrote:

> Recently I've noted a problem on building standalones (on my Mac OS X 
> using
> Rev 2.7) and moving them to Windows. While the standalones work on 
> Windows, if
> I try to move them to the trash in Windows, I get a message:
>
> "Cannot delete (the program). Access is denied.   Make sure the disk 
> is not
> full or write protected and that the file in not currently in use."
>
> The problem is that the file is not in use, I have about 200gb of   
> disk
> space, there is no password needed to access the computer, and I do 
> not have this
> problem with other kinds of files.   The only way I can trash the 
> files is to
> restart the computer and try again. I do not know if this is a problem 
> with
> Revolution or with my Windows computer. Any suggestions?   Thanks.
> Steve Goldberg
> _______________________________________________
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> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
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From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Tue Mar 14 15:51:01 2006
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:51:01 -0600
Subject: Button Label on graphic button
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860603141235o916757co1ea6cf74ce51963e@mail.gmail.com
 >
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060314142642.14b440c8@exchange.slg.com>
	<f99b52860603141235o916757co1ea6cf74ce51963e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060314144849.14c06e10@exchange.slg.com>

Actually I already did this.  It "work" per se, but then one winds up with 
a large empty area around the button that is clickable, which is kind of 
strange from a UI standpoint.

I was thinking I could roll my own graphical button with a text field and a 
image.  That is what I might wind up doing.  I was hoping there was an 
easier way.

I should put in an enhancement request to make buttons respect an icon's 
transparent area.  I mentioned it to Mark, but not sure it got on the list.

At 02:35 PM 3/14/2006, you wrote:
>On 3/15/06, Peter T. Evensen <pevensen at siboneylg.com> wrote:
> > Is there any way to get Rev to center a button label on a graphical
> > button?   It seems to only want to display it under the icon.
> >
>
>Adjust the margins of the button. Normally the margins is a single
>number, but it can also be 4 comma-separated numbers, specifiying the
>left, top, right & bottom margins respectively. Play around with
>altering these and see if you can get the result you want.
>
>Sarah

Peter T. Evensen
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588 



From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Tue Mar 14 15:52:47 2006
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:52:47 -0600
Subject: Can't delete standalone in Windows
In-Reply-To: <c4.3817d19d.31487d07@aol.com>
References: <c4.3817d19d.31487d07@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060314145129.14becd88@exchange.slg.com>

Hit ctrl-alt-delete and look for your standalone in the task 
manager.   I've had times where all the windows close but for some reason, 
the application is still "running."  If you find it there, you can force 
quit it, and then you should be able to trash the standalone.

This seems to usually happen if a script error occurs in the runtime that 
prevents a stack from appearing, I think.

At 02:09 PM 3/14/2006, you wrote:
>Recently I've noted a problem on building standalones (on my Mac OS X using
>Rev 2.7) and moving them to Windows. While the standalones work on 
>Windows, if
>I try to move them to the trash in Windows, I get a message:
>
>"Cannot delete (the program). Access is denied.   Make sure the disk is not
>full or write protected and that the file in not currently in use."
>
>The problem is that the file is not in use, I have about 200gb of   disk
>space, there is no password needed to access the computer, and I do not 
>have this
>problem with other kinds of files.   The only way I can trash the files is to
>restart the computer and try again. I do not know if this is a problem with
>Revolution or with my Windows computer. Any suggestions?   Thanks.
>Steve Goldberg
>_______________________________________________
>use-revolution mailing list
>use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>subscription preferences:
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Peter T. Evensen
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588 



From scott at proherp.com  Tue Mar 14 15:58:01 2006
From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 07:58:01 +1100
Subject: Can't delete standalone in Windows
In-Reply-To: <c4.3817d19d.31487d07@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000401c647a9$fcb9adb0$0201010a@royalnexus>


> "Cannot delete (the program). Access is denied.   Make sure 
> the disk is not 
> full or write protected and that the file in not currently in use."

Use the CTRL + Delete key.  You'll see your app running there still.
You can close it from there.  To avoid this be sure to implicitly call
Quit in the application when closing down.

Scott

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From mvreade at earthlink.net  Tue Mar 14 16:01:02 2006
From: mvreade at earthlink.net (mvreade at earthlink.net)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:01:02 -0500
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <115395F5-4D63-48D5-BA7A-439DCF1130F5@fireworksmm.com>
References: <02cd01c64459$9b8c0220$0502a8c0@MRTOSHIBA>
	<115395F5-4D63-48D5-BA7A-439DCF1130F5@fireworksmm.com>
Message-ID: <E3381B67-FE4C-4954-8606-BEE670B6DCB5@earthlink.net>

Wally,

Thanks for your input.  Like you, I am not a developer by training.   
I have a few different solutions, written in Filemaker, which target  
mostly Art and Antique galleries.  I have been wondering about  
picking up RealBasic, which looks nice, but not quite as intuitive as  
Revolution.  So I imagine that it will take me little longer to  
become productive in RB than in Revolution. I also wonder whether  
once the learning curve has been conquered, whether Revolution would  
still be faster than RB.  I have a feeling that it would be...

Thanks,

Michael

On Mar 14, 2006, at 3:45 PM, Wally Rodriguez wrote:

> Hello Michael:
>
> As a non-developer type I might be able to give you yet another  
> perspective on Rev. I own a post-production finishing house for  
> commercials. My days are crazy with just my normal job and then I  
> have to manage the IT needs and I'm also in charge of engineering.
>
> I did a very small amount of HyperCard programming back in '91-'93  
> and have put together a few filemaker pro databases, but basically  
> have no experience as a programmer.
>
> The fact that the program can switch from "programming" mode to  
> "run" mode while you work makes it very easy and quick to see what  
> you're going to get.
>
> Using Revolution I have been able to:
>
> 1. Automate our web page generation for client feedback. This is a  
> relatively complex setup that reads movies placed in various  
> folders on our webserver and with some user input, generates  
> password-protected php web pages that look every bit as good as  
> others out there.
>
> 2. Created a touch-screen interface for iTunes to run on a  
> powerbook in my car.
>
> 3. Created a slate generator (slates are the identifiers used in  
> commercials). This program combines some background image with text  
> to create sequential countdowns for our video projects. It runs on  
> XP and OSX. In the month or so it's been running it has generated  
> over 2000 images!
>
> I'm in the process of building a home-control application that acts  
> as a client to iRed (an infrared remote server). The cool thing  
> about this app is that it's allowed me to rescue a couple of old  
> machines to use as controllers. The standalone client currently  
> runs on OS9, XP tablet edition and OSX. This in itself is pretty  
> amazing.
>
> All of this while doing the rest of my work and without looking  
> back. I strongly recommend the product.
>
> Two things, start with v 2.6.1, (especially if you're going to be  
> developing on windows) and I understand that there is a deal where  
> you get Constellation for free. It's worth the $50 it costs anyway,  
> but free is soo much better! :-)
>
> So I find that it's the easiest way to write code that can actually  
> do something without having to lear a complex and cryptic language.
>
> W.
>
>
> On Mar 10, 2006, at 10:45 AM, Mvreade wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've been playing with Revolution for a few days and am VERY  
>> impressed with its capabilities and ease of use.
>>
>> I do however, have a few questions and reservations, which  
>> hopefully you guys can answer.
>>
>> I found it a bit buggy (using a iBook G4, 1G of memory, on OSX  
>> 10.4).  The property inspector went blank a few times, the  
>> application crashed once, the sample database query in the example  
>> solutions was updating records, demo videos weren't displaying, to  
>> mention a few.
>>
>> So the quesiton is, how good of an environment to work on is it?
>>
>> And how stable are the final applications?
>>
>> For users who have used Rev for databases, I was wondering what  
>> it's like to develop a system with, say, 20 tables and lots or  
>> relationships and methods?
>>
>> Where would one store all the methods?
>>
>> For relationships, would one just keep a VERYlong list of Database  
>> Queries?
>>
>> Finally, does any one know if Runtime Revolution Ltd has any plans  
>> to have a connection to an open source, embeddable database, such  
>> as SQLite?
>>
>> Thanks for your help,
>>
>> Michael Reade
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From jonathandlynch at gmail.com  Tue Mar 14 16:03:25 2006
From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (Jonathan Lynch)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:03:25 -0500
Subject: Button Label on graphic button
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20060314144849.14c06e10@exchange.slg.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060314142642.14b440c8@exchange.slg.com>
	<f99b52860603141235o916757co1ea6cf74ce51963e@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060314144849.14c06e10@exchange.slg.com>
Message-ID: <31e1938c0603141303m4c7294e9re5b644342d1dcc8a@mail.gmail.com>

Can you just create an image to use as an Icon that has your picture and
text all in the same image?


From scott at proherp.com  Tue Mar 14 16:04:37 2006
From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 08:04:37 +1100
Subject: Can't delete standalone in Windows
In-Reply-To: <000401c647a9$fcb9adb0$0201010a@royalnexus>
Message-ID: <000701c647aa$ed14bed0$0201010a@royalnexus>

> Use the CTRL + Delete key.  

That should of course be CTRL + ALT+Delete

Scott

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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Mar 14 16:13:55 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 07:13:55 +1000
Subject: Can't delete standalone in Windows
In-Reply-To: <c4.3817d19d.31487d07@aol.com>
References: <c4.3817d19d.31487d07@aol.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603141313y48777abel79c6bf985bffa2ea@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/15/06, Stgoldberg at aol.com <Stgoldberg at aol.com> wrote:
> Recently I've noted a problem on building standalones (on my Mac OS X using
> Rev 2.7) and moving them to Windows. While the standalones work on Windows, if
> I try to move them to the trash in Windows, I get a message:
>
> "Cannot delete (the program). Access is denied.   Make sure the disk is not
> full or write protected and that the file in not currently in use."
>

There are a few things that can cause this:
a window left open (it be hidden or have been closed but not removed
from memory)
pending messages still runnning
a library still in use - this can esecially happen if the speech
library is not unloaded.

Cheers,
Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Mar 14 16:13:55 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 07:13:55 +1000
Subject: Can't delete standalone in Windows
In-Reply-To: <c4.3817d19d.31487d07@aol.com>
References: <c4.3817d19d.31487d07@aol.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603141313y48777abel79c6bf985bffa2ea@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/15/06, Stgoldberg at aol.com <Stgoldberg at aol.com> wrote:
> Recently I've noted a problem on building standalones (on my Mac OS X using
> Rev 2.7) and moving them to Windows. While the standalones work on Windows, if
> I try to move them to the trash in Windows, I get a message:
>
> "Cannot delete (the program). Access is denied.   Make sure the disk is not
> full or write protected and that the file in not currently in use."
>

There are a few things that can cause this:
a window left open (it be hidden or have been closed but not removed
from memory)
pending messages still runnning
a library still in use - this can esecially happen if the speech
library is not unloaded.

Cheers,
Sarah


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Mar 14 16:20:31 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:20:31 -0600
Subject: can someone show me a CRM solution
In-Reply-To: <fc.007582c000907dab007582c000907dab.907dc0@jamestown.wnyric.org>
Message-ID: <C03C8FBF.37B14%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/14/06 2:17 PM, "Thom Wright" <twright at jamestown.wnyric.org> wrote:

> If possible, could someone point me towards a CRM solution created with
> runrev.  

It's vertical market for the entertainment industry:

  http://www.inentertainment.com/


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From scott at proherp.com  Tue Mar 14 16:27:12 2006
From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 08:27:12 +1100
Subject: can someone show me a CRM solution
In-Reply-To: <C03C8FBF.37B14%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c647ae$10b5cf70$0201010a@royalnexus>


> It's vertical market for the entertainment industry:
> 

Impressive.  The toolbar - is that faked, do you know, or are they
a cool control set made for the purpose?

Scott

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From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Tue Mar 14 16:39:11 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:39:11 -0800
Subject: Group Object?
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860603141232q6789015ey6c23c9a2d3c0bee7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f73a98160603121748t6f4691b0qe4aee39e032fa938@mail.gmail.com>	<4414D4D0.6050900@paraboliclogic.com>	<6373341C-9A60-4EAB-9B26-E60AC1F1824C@inspiredlogic.com>	<4415DF2D.40303@paraboliclogic.com>	<6148617B-6584-4CA4-BF6F-1074035F7D62@lacscentre.co.uk>	<4415EFA9.10301@paraboliclogic.com>	<44172580.1060905@paraboliclogic.com>
	<f99b52860603141232q6789015ey6c23c9a2d3c0bee7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <441737FF.4070205@paraboliclogic.com>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>> Rev 2.6.1
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Is there a panel object that has the same style of rounded corner border
>> like the tabpanel object?  Or is there a way to achieve this using the
>> tabpanel without the tab buttons on it?
> 
> Make a group, set the showBorder to true and adjust the width of the
> border until you get the right look. You may want to adjust the
> margins of the group to get the edges further away from the objects
> inside.

Sarah, thank you, this is what I was looking for.  :-)

-Garrett


From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Tue Mar 14 16:41:25 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:41:25 -0800
Subject: Group Object?
In-Reply-To: <31e1938c0603141233r1bb8b97cy5023b24fbe875456@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f73a98160603121748t6f4691b0qe4aee39e032fa938@mail.gmail.com>	<4414D4D0.6050900@paraboliclogic.com>	<6373341C-9A60-4EAB-9B26-E60AC1F1824C@inspiredlogic.com>	<4415DF2D.40303@paraboliclogic.com>	<6148617B-6584-4CA4-BF6F-1074035F7D62@lacscentre.co.uk>	<4415EFA9.10301@paraboliclogic.com>	<44172580.1060905@paraboliclogic.com>
	<31e1938c0603141233r1bb8b97cy5023b24fbe875456@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44173885.1090004@paraboliclogic.com>

Jonathan Lynch wrote:
> There are probably a dozen ways to accomplish this.
> 

Jonathan,

Thanks for the info, but Sarah beat ya to it.

-Garrett


From jonathandlynch at gmail.com  Tue Mar 14 17:07:28 2006
From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (Jonathan Lynch)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:07:28 -0500
Subject: Group Object?
In-Reply-To: <44173885.1090004@paraboliclogic.com>
References: <f73a98160603121748t6f4691b0qe4aee39e032fa938@mail.gmail.com>
	<4414D4D0.6050900@paraboliclogic.com>
	<6373341C-9A60-4EAB-9B26-E60AC1F1824C@inspiredlogic.com>
	<4415DF2D.40303@paraboliclogic.com>
	<6148617B-6584-4CA4-BF6F-1074035F7D62@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<4415EFA9.10301@paraboliclogic.com>
	<44172580.1060905@paraboliclogic.com>
	<31e1938c0603141233r1bb8b97cy5023b24fbe875456@mail.gmail.com>
	<44173885.1090004@paraboliclogic.com>
Message-ID: <31e1938c0603141407j17e059fci1bd6a32a8e3d0c62@mail.gmail.com>

Sarah is far more knowledgable than myself... I would listen to her anytime.

If you want rounded corners though, I think you will have to have an object
with rounded corners inside the group.

Can groups have rounded corners? I did not think they could.


From LunchnMeets at aol.com  Tue Mar 14 17:16:40 2006
From: LunchnMeets at aol.com (LunchnMeets at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:16:40 EST
Subject: Printing Problem
Message-ID: <30c.d027c.31489ac8@aol.com>

Hi Everyone,

When I print a card then show and/or hide some field or group and then print 
again it doesn't completely flush the old image. The problem seems to be that 
the borders of the fields don't show as they should. Thanks in advance for 
your continuing help for this newbie.

Joe
Orlando, Florida


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Mar 14 17:25:07 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 08:25:07 +1000
Subject: Group Object?
In-Reply-To: <31e1938c0603141407j17e059fci1bd6a32a8e3d0c62@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f73a98160603121748t6f4691b0qe4aee39e032fa938@mail.gmail.com>
	<4414D4D0.6050900@paraboliclogic.com>
	<6373341C-9A60-4EAB-9B26-E60AC1F1824C@inspiredlogic.com>
	<4415DF2D.40303@paraboliclogic.com>
	<6148617B-6584-4CA4-BF6F-1074035F7D62@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<4415EFA9.10301@paraboliclogic.com>
	<44172580.1060905@paraboliclogic.com>
	<31e1938c0603141233r1bb8b97cy5023b24fbe875456@mail.gmail.com>
	<44173885.1090004@paraboliclogic.com>
	<31e1938c0603141407j17e059fci1bd6a32a8e3d0c62@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603141425w4133ac08ue7c0eef2d19c4cab@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/15/06, Jonathan Lynch <jonathandlynch at gmail.com> wrote:
> Sarah is far more knowledgable than myself... I would listen to her anytime.
:-)

>
> If you want rounded corners though, I think you will have to have an object
> with rounded corners inside the group.
>
> Can groups have rounded corners? I did not think they could.

They certainly do on Mac OS X, but maybe not on Windows?

Sarah


From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Mar 14 17:26:43 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 23:26:43 +0100
Subject: Button Label on graphic button
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20060314144849.14c06e10@exchange.slg.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060314142642.14b440c8@exchange.slg.com>
	<f99b52860603141235o916757co1ea6cf74ce51963e@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060314144849.14c06e10@exchange.slg.com>
Message-ID: <0F0688DC-B5A7-43F8-AF63-147829E94FA3@major-k.de>

Hi Peter,

> Actually I already did this.  It "work" per se, but then one winds  
> up with a large empty area around the button that is clickable,  
> which is kind of strange from a UI standpoint.

this is actually a no-solution sincet it is almost useless and the  
result not predictable...

> I was thinking I could roll my own graphical button with a text  
> field and a image.  That is what I might wind up doing.  I was  
> hoping there was an easier way.
>
> I should put in an enhancement request to make buttons respect an  
> icon's transparent area.  I mentioned it to Mark, but not sure it  
> got on the list.

please check Bugzilla Nr. 1032.

This is marked as RESOLVED although it IS NOT! :-/

> Peter T. Evensen
> http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
> 314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Mar 14 17:24:53 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:24:53 -0600
Subject: can someone show me a CRM solution
In-Reply-To: <000a01c647ae$10b5cf70$0201010a@royalnexus>
Message-ID: <C03C9ED5.37B29%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/14/06 3:27 PM, "Scott Kane" <scott at proherp.com> wrote:

> 
>> It's vertical market for the entertainment industry:
>> 
> 
> Impressive.  The toolbar - is that faked, do you know, or are they
> a cool control set made for the purpose?

Well, it depends on what you mean by a "cool control set"... :-) I have a
toolbar library that I'm using that does this, and handles different sizes
and icons, but doesn't have a customize sheet yet... :-)


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Mar 14 17:28:59 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 23:28:59 +0100
Subject: Button Label on graphic button
In-Reply-To: <31e1938c0603141303m4c7294e9re5b644342d1dcc8a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060314142642.14b440c8@exchange.slg.com>
	<f99b52860603141235o916757co1ea6cf74ce51963e@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060314144849.14c06e10@exchange.slg.com>
	<31e1938c0603141303m4c7294e9re5b644342d1dcc8a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B2602199-F32C-4DCC-B874-7EAA4F8EB555@major-k.de>

Hi Jonathan,

> Can you just create an image to use as an Icon that has your  
> picture and
> text all in the same image?

sure, but that a LOT of work.

Imagine buttons for different languages!

It would be so nice if one could use a nice graphic and just change  
the label
of the buttons...

See my answer to Peter and my mention of godzilla Nr. 1032...


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From jonathandlynch at gmail.com  Tue Mar 14 17:34:30 2006
From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (Jonathan Lynch)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:34:30 -0500
Subject: Group Object?
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860603141425w4133ac08ue7c0eef2d19c4cab@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f73a98160603121748t6f4691b0qe4aee39e032fa938@mail.gmail.com>
	<6373341C-9A60-4EAB-9B26-E60AC1F1824C@inspiredlogic.com>
	<4415DF2D.40303@paraboliclogic.com>
	<6148617B-6584-4CA4-BF6F-1074035F7D62@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<4415EFA9.10301@paraboliclogic.com>
	<44172580.1060905@paraboliclogic.com>
	<31e1938c0603141233r1bb8b97cy5023b24fbe875456@mail.gmail.com>
	<44173885.1090004@paraboliclogic.com>
	<31e1938c0603141407j17e059fci1bd6a32a8e3d0c62@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860603141425w4133ac08ue7c0eef2d19c4cab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <31e1938c0603141434m5c3568dds75bb88c22328b409@mail.gmail.com>

I am looking at the property inspector of a group right now, and I see no
way give it rounded corners. (I am on Windows)

Looking at the property inspector on a Mac, in which tab do you have the
option to make a group have rounded corners?


From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Tue Mar 14 17:42:13 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:42:13 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <DDF65E4B-9366-4295-88F2-99C3F3CFB471@earthlink.net>
References: <F014087B-C553-4E87-8AF8-5C9F33632862@earthlink.net>
	<31e1938c0603140910x73f83aa2y73fc337250a8516c@mail.gmail.com>
	<DDF65E4B-9366-4295-88F2-99C3F3CFB471@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603141442u5e451c60g2e298b985516f09f@mail.gmail.com>

Pardon me for jumping in here but I just went through a fairly extensive and
intense period of working with Ruby on Rails and I'm a sort of long-time
Revolutionary so I figured I could add something to the discussion.

Web applications in the sense Ruby on Rails defines them cannot be written
in Revolution. You *can* write CGIs and deploy stacks on servers and Web
servers but there is, e.g., no Revolution plugin that would allow you to
deploy a Rev app on a Web server so that a Firefox user could access it.

You can, however, develop what are called Desktop Web Appliances (see
http://www.daniels-mara.com/WebAppliances.htm) using Rev quite nicely. And
with Altuit's amazingly powerful altBrowser (
http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altBrowserCover/default.htm), you can
create custom browsers that embed the behavior of Firefox and/or IE on OS X
and Windows, respectively. And creating Web-aware Rev apps is really a piece
of cake.

So if you just need an app to be able to deal with the Internet/Web, Rev is
perfect. If, OTOH, you really need or want to build apps that reside on the
Web and can be accessed out of standard Web browsers, then Rev won't work.
In that case, Ruby on Rails is the best tool for creating such apps as I've
seen but be forewarned: it's deceptively easy to do simple stuff in RoR but
I found it dishearteningly difficult to use it to create anything real even
after spending a lot of time, energy and money (see
http://www.danshafer.com/onemind/?q=node/43).

As for REALBasic vs. Revolution, Johnathan Lynch is basically right on
target with his comments. I'd add one more: unless you already know BASIC
syntax and/or have some familiarity with a Visual Basic-type environment,
Real isn't going to be very easy to learn or use. And as far as I can tell,
database stuff is far more mature and accessible in Rev than in Real.

On 3/14/06, mvreade at earthlink.net <mvreade at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> I will.  Could you please elaborate on the second question is asked:
>
> 2) Revolution vs Ruby on Rails?  You mean to say you use Revolution
> to write browser enabled web-apps? Something I could access with
> Firefox?  If so, I'd love to hear more.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Michael
>
>
> On Mar 14, 2006, at 12:10 PM, Jonathan Lynch wrote:
>
> > If you search the archives, you will find countless RunRev Vs. Real
> > Basic
> > discussions.
> >
> > I think it breaks down to your needs and your programming style.
> > For me,
> > RunRev and Transcript just fit with my brain really well.
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
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From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Tue Mar 14 17:44:38 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:44:38 -0800
Subject: Group Object?
In-Reply-To: <31e1938c0603141407j17e059fci1bd6a32a8e3d0c62@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f73a98160603121748t6f4691b0qe4aee39e032fa938@mail.gmail.com>	<4414D4D0.6050900@paraboliclogic.com>	<6373341C-9A60-4EAB-9B26-E60AC1F1824C@inspiredlogic.com>	<4415DF2D.40303@paraboliclogic.com>	<6148617B-6584-4CA4-BF6F-1074035F7D62@lacscentre.co.uk>	<4415EFA9.10301@paraboliclogic.com>	<44172580.1060905@paraboliclogic.com>	<31e1938c0603141233r1bb8b97cy5023b24fbe875456@mail.gmail.com>	<44173885.1090004@paraboliclogic.com>
	<31e1938c0603141407j17e059fci1bd6a32a8e3d0c62@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44174756.3010200@paraboliclogic.com>

Jonathan Lynch wrote:
> Sarah is far more knowledgable than myself... I would listen to her anytime.
> 
> If you want rounded corners though, I think you will have to have an object
> with rounded corners inside the group.
> 
> Can groups have rounded corners? I did not think they could.

In OS X they do, but not in Windows unless you're using an XP Visual 
Style or are running WindowBlinds, otherwise, it's a plain old rectangle 
border for Windows.

-Garrett


From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Mar 14 17:44:50 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 23:44:50 +0100
Subject: Group Object?
In-Reply-To: <31e1938c0603141434m5c3568dds75bb88c22328b409@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f73a98160603121748t6f4691b0qe4aee39e032fa938@mail.gmail.com>
	<6373341C-9A60-4EAB-9B26-E60AC1F1824C@inspiredlogic.com>
	<4415DF2D.40303@paraboliclogic.com>
	<6148617B-6584-4CA4-BF6F-1074035F7D62@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<4415EFA9.10301@paraboliclogic.com>
	<44172580.1060905@paraboliclogic.com>
	<31e1938c0603141233r1bb8b97cy5023b24fbe875456@mail.gmail.com>
	<44173885.1090004@paraboliclogic.com>
	<31e1938c0603141407j17e059fci1bd6a32a8e3d0c62@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860603141425w4133ac08ue7c0eef2d19c4cab@mail.gmail.com>
	<31e1938c0603141434m5c3568dds75bb88c22328b409@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F1FEA4C3-B1D7-47A7-9259-99DA713573BA@major-k.de>

Hi Jonathan,

> I am looking at the property inspector of a group right now, and I  
> see no
> way give it rounded corners. (I am on Windows)
>
> Looking at the property inspector on a Mac, in which tab do you  
> have the
> option to make a group have rounded corners?

opaque groups with the default border width of 2 pixel have rounded  
corners
"by nature" on OS X :-)


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Mar 14 17:50:13 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 08:50:13 +1000
Subject: Group Object?
In-Reply-To: <31e1938c0603141434m5c3568dds75bb88c22328b409@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f73a98160603121748t6f4691b0qe4aee39e032fa938@mail.gmail.com>
	<4415DF2D.40303@paraboliclogic.com>
	<6148617B-6584-4CA4-BF6F-1074035F7D62@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<4415EFA9.10301@paraboliclogic.com>
	<44172580.1060905@paraboliclogic.com>
	<31e1938c0603141233r1bb8b97cy5023b24fbe875456@mail.gmail.com>
	<44173885.1090004@paraboliclogic.com>
	<31e1938c0603141407j17e059fci1bd6a32a8e3d0c62@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860603141425w4133ac08ue7c0eef2d19c4cab@mail.gmail.com>
	<31e1938c0603141434m5c3568dds75bb88c22328b409@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603141450u91b12ebi23fb86d95ef5723@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/15/06, Jonathan Lynch <jonathandlynch at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am looking at the property inspector of a group right now, and I see no
> way give it rounded corners. (I am on Windows)
>
> Looking at the property inspector on a Mac, in which tab do you have the
> option to make a group have rounded corners?

I don't do anything, They all have rounded corners. If you go to
<http://www.troz.net/Pic-a-POD/> you'll see screden shots for my
Pic-A-POD app in both Mac & Windows. Cick on the screen shots to see a
larger image, the have a look near the bottom left of the window,
where there are 3 checkboxes in a group labelled "Download pictures
from". Both Mac & Window groups have rounded corners on their borders.

Is this not what you were looking for?

Sarah


From scott at proherp.com  Tue Mar 14 17:51:34 2006
From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 09:51:34 +1100
Subject: can someone show me a CRM solution
In-Reply-To: <C03C9ED5.37B29%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <000201c647b9$d9819d70$0201010a@royalnexus>

> Well, it depends on what you mean by a "cool control set"... 
> :-) I have a toolbar library that I'm using that does this, 
> and handles different sizes and icons, but doesn't have a 
> customize sheet yet... :-)

Sounds like it'd make a good Rev add on product.  I know
I'd certainly be interested in it.

Scott

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From jonathandlynch at gmail.com  Tue Mar 14 17:52:08 2006
From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (Jonathan Lynch)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:52:08 -0500
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603141442u5e451c60g2e298b985516f09f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F014087B-C553-4E87-8AF8-5C9F33632862@earthlink.net>
	<31e1938c0603140910x73f83aa2y73fc337250a8516c@mail.gmail.com>
	<DDF65E4B-9366-4295-88F2-99C3F3CFB471@earthlink.net>
	<70ed6b130603141442u5e451c60g2e298b985516f09f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <31e1938c0603141452w3e23e49cubd7b64a326fc99f2@mail.gmail.com>

Hmm...

Dan, are sure there is no way to do a Web app in Rev?


I mean, it seems like it should be possible. Perhaps I am misunderstanding
what a web application is...

But, you can use Rev to create web pages and respond to information put into
a web page. And Rev can function as a server unto itself.


Does the term web application only mean a program that is embedded in a
browser, and displays inside the browser?


From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Tue Mar 14 18:02:46 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:02:46 -0800
Subject: [Slightly OT] Amazon's New Storage Plan - Someone Do a Rev
	Interface?
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603141502y6b65dca1mea2ffbeadc949eca@mail.gmail.com>

Amazon announced today a new online mass storage system called S3 (Simple
Storage Service) that sounds amazingly good and really cheap. They've
published sample code in a bunch of languages. I wonder if anyone here (you
eavesdropping again, Andre, you crazy Brazilian?) would care to tackle
writing a Rev UI for it. Could be way cool.

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From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Tue Mar 14 18:04:12 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:04:12 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <31e1938c0603141452w3e23e49cubd7b64a326fc99f2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F014087B-C553-4E87-8AF8-5C9F33632862@earthlink.net>
	<31e1938c0603140910x73f83aa2y73fc337250a8516c@mail.gmail.com>
	<DDF65E4B-9366-4295-88F2-99C3F3CFB471@earthlink.net>
	<70ed6b130603141442u5e451c60g2e298b985516f09f@mail.gmail.com>
	<31e1938c0603141452w3e23e49cubd7b64a326fc99f2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603141504n71688ec7l1764ec5b439100d1@mail.gmail.com>

Jonathan...

I said "Web app as defined by Ruby on Rails." In their parlance -- which I
think is fairly standard on the Web -- you create an application in a
server-side language like PHP or Ruby and then you glue your browser
interface to that application. Depending on how much of that definition you
need to have, you can have lots of shades of gray.


On 3/14/06, Jonathan Lynch <jonathandlynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hmm...
>
> Dan, are sure there is no way to do a Web app in Rev?
>
>
> I mean, it seems like it should be possible. Perhaps I am misunderstanding
> what a web application is...
>
> But, you can use Rev to create web pages and respond to information put
> into
> a web page. And Rev can function as a server unto itself.
>
>
> Does the term web application only mean a program that is embedded in a
> browser, and displays inside the browser?
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From mvreade at earthlink.net  Tue Mar 14 18:17:58 2006
From: mvreade at earthlink.net (mvreade at earthlink.net)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:17:58 -0500
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603141442u5e451c60g2e298b985516f09f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F014087B-C553-4E87-8AF8-5C9F33632862@earthlink.net>
	<31e1938c0603140910x73f83aa2y73fc337250a8516c@mail.gmail.com>
	<DDF65E4B-9366-4295-88F2-99C3F3CFB471@earthlink.net>
	<70ed6b130603141442u5e451c60g2e298b985516f09f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CF5F30BD-53A9-4A26-9E2F-12535B8ADB94@earthlink.net>

Dan,

Thank you for your response.  The main thrust of my apps are as  
desktop apps, both LAN and WAN.  However, there is an increasing  
interest in being able to select some artworks and on the desktop app  
and push the date to a web app for general viewing.

So I anticipate that the web apps would be VERY simple, and it might  
even be possible to push the date into something like PHP-Fusion or  
Joomla!  There's no need to reinvent the wheel.

I have glimpsed at the "pickaxe" book on Ruby, and while it looks  
like a very elegant language, it sure is DEEP.

I have ordered your book, by the way, and look forward to getting my  
hands on it.

All the best,

Michael


On Mar 14, 2006, at 5:42 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:

> Pardon me for jumping in here but I just went through a fairly  
> extensive and
> intense period of working with Ruby on Rails and I'm a sort of long- 
> time
> Revolutionary so I figured I could add something to the discussion.
>
> Web applications in the sense Ruby on Rails defines them cannot be  
> written
> in Revolution. You *can* write CGIs and deploy stacks on servers  
> and Web
> servers but there is, e.g., no Revolution plugin that would allow  
> you to
> deploy a Rev app on a Web server so that a Firefox user could  
> access it.
>
> You can, however, develop what are called Desktop Web Appliances (see
> http://www.daniels-mara.com/WebAppliances.htm) using Rev quite  
> nicely. And
> with Altuit's amazingly powerful altBrowser (
> http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altBrowserCover/default.htm),  
> you can
> create custom browsers that embed the behavior of Firefox and/or IE  
> on OS X
> and Windows, respectively. And creating Web-aware Rev apps is  
> really a piece
> of cake.
>
> So if you just need an app to be able to deal with the Internet/ 
> Web, Rev is
> perfect. If, OTOH, you really need or want to build apps that  
> reside on the
> Web and can be accessed out of standard Web browsers, then Rev  
> won't work.
> In that case, Ruby on Rails is the best tool for creating such apps  
> as I've
> seen but be forewarned: it's deceptively easy to do simple stuff in  
> RoR but
> I found it dishearteningly difficult to use it to create anything  
> real even
> after spending a lot of time, energy and money (see
> http://www.danshafer.com/onemind/?q=node/43).
>
> As for REALBasic vs. Revolution, Johnathan Lynch is basically right on
> target with his comments. I'd add one more: unless you already know  
> BASIC
> syntax and/or have some familiarity with a Visual Basic-type  
> environment,
> Real isn't going to be very easy to learn or use. And as far as I  
> can tell,
> database stuff is far more mature and accessible in Rev than in Real.
>
> On 3/14/06, mvreade at earthlink.net <mvreade at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> I will.  Could you please elaborate on the second question is asked:
>>
>> 2) Revolution vs Ruby on Rails?  You mean to say you use Revolution
>> to write browser enabled web-apps? Something I could access with
>> Firefox?  If so, I'd love to hear more.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>> On Mar 14, 2006, at 12:10 PM, Jonathan Lynch wrote:
>>
>>> If you search the archives, you will find countless RunRev Vs. Real
>>> Basic
>>> discussions.
>>>
>>> I think it breaks down to your needs and your programming style.
>>> For me,
>>> RunRev and Transcript just fit with my brain really well.
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>
>
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From jonathandlynch at gmail.com  Tue Mar 14 18:35:55 2006
From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (Jonathan Lynch)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:35:55 -0500
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <CF5F30BD-53A9-4A26-9E2F-12535B8ADB94@earthlink.net>
References: <F014087B-C553-4E87-8AF8-5C9F33632862@earthlink.net>
	<31e1938c0603140910x73f83aa2y73fc337250a8516c@mail.gmail.com>
	<DDF65E4B-9366-4295-88F2-99C3F3CFB471@earthlink.net>
	<70ed6b130603141442u5e451c60g2e298b985516f09f@mail.gmail.com>
	<CF5F30BD-53A9-4A26-9E2F-12535B8ADB94@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <31e1938c0603141535h6c5f9ccap2a5b80ebb17900ab@mail.gmail.com>

This is different from what Dan is talking about, if I understand correctly.

You can have a Rev application that stores and retrieves data from the
internet, and there are multiple ways to accomplish this. I am currently
adapting Task Mage for file sharing from FTP sites.


----



Thanks Dan, my understanding of some of the terminology is somewhat weak at
times.


From davis.phil at comcast.net  Tue Mar 14 18:39:56 2006
From: davis.phil at comcast.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:39:56 -0800
Subject: filter question
In-Reply-To: <4E2F8AE5-C569-49E3-8A7A-CECEEBC7A3D0@gmail.com>
References: <C03C58B9.36099%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<4E2F8AE5-C569-49E3-8A7A-CECEEBC7A3D0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4417544C.4000303@comcast.net>

Chris Sheffield wrote:
> I'm not really 100% sure to be honest.  I think it's because in my  case 
> I have to account for filtering with only a partial string.  So  for 
> example, if my user enters "a", the filter needs to return any  records 
> where say the third item of each line begins with "a".

Right. That's where my solution breaks down. It assumes that the 
"Filter" field is always complete before filtering occurs.

I wonder if it would work with the addition of "*" at both ends of the 
Filter field? I don't see why that wouldn't work - then the filter will 
only be looking for a string of contiguous chars in that item of each 
line, rather than requiring the item to start or end with the chars.

Phil Davis


> Because Phil's solution uses tabs around the filter string (tab & fld  
> "filter" & tab), it doesn't work quite right for me.  I tried a  couple 
> different modifications, including placing *'s between the  filter 
> string and the tabs, to make it work for me but couldn't find  anything 
> that worked in all cases.
> 
> Hope that provides you with a little more information.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> On Mar 14, 2006, at 12:25 PM, Jim Ault wrote:
> 
>> Hey, Chris,
>>
>> I know you probably don't have the time, but I am wondering why Phil's
>> solution did not work.  I use the filter command all the time and  
>> Phil had
>> the correct syntax and useage, as far as I could see.
>>
>> Mostly just curiosity to find exceptions or tricky problems for future
>> reference.  Surprised it did not work.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jim Ault
>> Las Vegas
>>
>>
>> On 3/14/06 11:01 AM, "Chris Sheffield" <cmsheffield at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Sarah.  I ended up going with a solution similar to this to
>>> get the job done.  I thought Phil's suggestion would have worked, and
>>> that's what I was trying to do, but unfortunately it didn't.
>>>
>>> But thanks to all who responded.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 13, 2006, at 5:08 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>>>
>>>> It might be faster to filter the list simply to reduce it to lines
>>>> that contain the filter string anywhere, and then do a loop to check
>>>> if the filter string is in the correct item.
>>>>
>>>> -- gather the original data and the required settings
>>>> put fld "List" into tList
>>>> put fld "Filter into Filter
>>>> put 3 into tItemNum
>>>>
>>>> -- do the first filter to reduce the list
>>>> filter tList with "*" & tFilter & "*"
>>>>
>>>> -- loop through making sure it appears in the right item
>>>> put empty into tMatches
>>>> repeat for each line L in tList
>>>>   if item tItemNum of L contains tFilter then put L & cr after
>>>> tMatches
>>>> end repeat
>>>>
>>>> -- remove the trailing cr
>>>> delete last char of tMatches
>>>>
>>>> -- display the matching results
>>>> put tMatches into fld "Results"
>>>>
>>>> Sarah
>>>>
>>>> On 3/14/06, Phil Davis <davis.phil at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>>
>>>>> To filter on column 3, are you using something like this?
>>>>>
>>>>>    put fld "list" into tList
>>>>>    filter tList \
>>>>>        with "*" & tab & "*" & tab & fld "filter" & tab & "*"
>>>>>    put tList into fld "list"
>>>>>
>>>>> Phil Davis
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Sheffield wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm trying to apply a filter to a list field.  The columns of
>>>>>> the  field
>>>>>> are tab delimited.  I have a separate "filter" field that  allows
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> user to apply a filter to the list based on whichever  column  is the
>>>>>> current sort column.  I can get the filter to work fine  so long
>>>>>> as the
>>>>>> first column is selected, but anything else does not  work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How can I apply a filter to a list based on say item 3 of each
>>>>>> line  of
>>>>>> that list?  Is that possible?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Chris



From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Tue Mar 14 18:46:40 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:46:40 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <CF5F30BD-53A9-4A26-9E2F-12535B8ADB94@earthlink.net>
References: <F014087B-C553-4E87-8AF8-5C9F33632862@earthlink.net>
	<31e1938c0603140910x73f83aa2y73fc337250a8516c@mail.gmail.com>
	<DDF65E4B-9366-4295-88F2-99C3F3CFB471@earthlink.net>
	<70ed6b130603141442u5e451c60g2e298b985516f09f@mail.gmail.com>
	<CF5F30BD-53A9-4A26-9E2F-12535B8ADB94@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603141546g7ab9f5a5v7ef10b5b1a4b5d75@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/14/06, mvreade at earthlink.net <mvreade at earthlink.net> wrote:
However, there is an increasing
interest in being able to select some artworks and on the desktop app
and push the date to a web app for general viewing.

So I anticipate that the web apps would be VERY simple, and it might
even be possible to push the date into something like PHP-Fusion or
Joomla!  There's no need to reinvent the wheel.

I agree. You can definitely use Rev for this kind of app. I've done it. Even
if you had an app that demanded a server-side database, Rev is ideal.

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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
>From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Tue Mar 14 19:02:05 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:02:05 -0800
Subject: [Slightly OT] Amazon's New Storage Plan - Someone Do a Rev 
 Interface?
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603141502y6b65dca1mea2ffbeadc949eca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70ed6b130603141502y6b65dca1mea2ffbeadc949eca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06230913c03d09919631@[192.168.1.103]>

Dan -- Link, please if you have it....Google doesn't know about his yet.

>Amazon announced today a new online mass storage system called S3 (Simple
>Storage Service) that sounds amazingly good and really cheap. They've
>published sample code in a bunch of languages. I wonder if anyone here (you
>eavesdropping again, Andre, you crazy Brazilian?) would care to tackle
>writing a Rev UI for it. Could be way cool.
>
>--
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author

-- 
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s a n  f r a n c i s c o
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Tue Mar 14 19:32:27 2006
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 08:32:27 +0800
Subject: Group Object?
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860603141450u91b12ebi23fb86d95ef5723@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f73a98160603121748t6f4691b0qe4aee39e032fa938@mail.gmail.com>
	<6148617B-6584-4CA4-BF6F-1074035F7D62@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<4415EFA9.10301@paraboliclogic.com>
	<44172580.1060905@paraboliclogic.com>
	<31e1938c0603141233r1bb8b97cy5023b24fbe875456@mail.gmail.com>
	<44173885.1090004@paraboliclogic.com>
	<31e1938c0603141407j17e059fci1bd6a32a8e3d0c62@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860603141425w4133ac08ue7c0eef2d19c4cab@mail.gmail.com>
	<31e1938c0603141434m5c3568dds75bb88c22328b409@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860603141450u91b12ebi23fb86d95ef5723@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160603141632o7b747a2bj7e3cd4464e8328c4@mail.gmail.com>

Garrett Hylltun asked:

Is there a panel object that has the same style of rounded corner border
> like the tabpanel object?  Or is there a way to achieve this using the
> tabpanel without the tab buttons on it?
>

Had exactly the same problem yesterday.

Jonathan Lynch answered:

There is, of course, the rounded rectangle object.
>

Came to this conclusion also, because I had no idea about:

Sarah Reichelt also answered:

Make a group, set the showBorder to true and adjust the width of the
> border until you get the right look. You may want to adjust the
> margins of the group to get the edges further away from the objects
> inside.
>

Brilliant, gone back and replaced my ugly 2D rectangle with a proper border.
Looks so good I think I'll create a few more groups and place borders around
them.

Thanks Garrett for asking the question:-)


From marcus_graham22 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 14 19:56:24 2006
From: marcus_graham22 at yahoo.com (marcus graham)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:56:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: to many mails
Message-ID: <20060315005624.33602.qmail@web31311.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

dont send any mails
		
---------------------------------
 Yahoo! Mail
 Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.

From scott at proherp.com  Tue Mar 14 19:57:33 2006
From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:57:33 +1100
Subject: to many mails
In-Reply-To: <20060315005624.33602.qmail@web31311.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001701c647cb$7377ebd0$0201010a@royalnexus>

> dont send any mails

See the bottom of this email, a list that you singed
up for, for information on how to unsubscribe yourself.

Scott Kane

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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Tue Mar 14 20:00:19 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:00:19 -0800
Subject: to many mails
In-Reply-To: <20060315005624.33602.qmail@web31311.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060315005624.33602.qmail@web31311.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p06230917c03d1774d758@[192.168.1.103]>

Then read the link at the bottom of your email and usub, dude, just 
the way you subscribed.

>dont send any mails
>
>---------------------------------
>  Yahoo! Mail
>  Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.
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From scott at proherp.com  Tue Mar 14 20:12:32 2006
From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:12:32 +1100
Subject: Vista Vis
In-Reply-To: <p06230917c03d1774d758@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <001a01c647cd$8b27d8b0$0201010a@royalnexus>

For those who are not on the beta team, or have not seen MS Vista
running there are some screenshots (very poor ones) available at the
link below (run by MSDN).  Ignore the tripe about being the best
operating
system available.  It's as close to OSX as they can get without a law
suit.  <g>

http://blogs.msdn.com/conblog/archive/2006/03/14/550826.aspx

Scott

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From scott at proherp.com  Tue Mar 14 20:32:29 2006
From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:32:29 +1100
Subject: POP 3 & SMTP
In-Reply-To: <001a01c647cd$8b27d8b0$0201010a@royalnexus>
Message-ID: <002201c647d0$54a1fe30$0201010a@royalnexus>

Hi,

I'm going to write a small application to assist myself and fellow
moderators for Usenet.  The home server sends requests for approval
using email accounts, so no NNTP direct injection is needed.  What
I'm after is an example of POP3 and SMTP with Rev.  I've looked at
a couple and they don't seem to work (I'm testing on Win XP Pro).

All thoughts, comments and abuse welcomes.  <g>

Scott

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From scott at proherp.com  Tue Mar 14 20:33:40 2006
From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:33:40 +1100
Subject: POP 3 & SMTP
In-Reply-To: <002201c647d0$54a1fe30$0201010a@royalnexus>
Message-ID: <002501c647d0$7ecb2510$0201010a@royalnexus>


> for approval using email accounts, so no NNTP direct 
> injection is needed. 

That should read "NNTP direct injection is *not* needed".

Scott

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From howard.bornstein at gmail.com  Tue Mar 14 20:56:33 2006
From: howard.bornstein at gmail.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 20:56:33 -0500
Subject: [Slightly OT] Amazon's New Storage Plan - Someone Do a Rev
	Interface?
In-Reply-To: <200603142358.k2ENw1Zu028064@ms-smtp-02.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
References: <200603142358.k2ENw1Zu028064@ms-smtp-02.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3f07cc260603141756u25c55bdepc2dedace00f6d0f7@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/14/06, Stephen Barncard <stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com> wrote:
> Dan -- Link, please if you have it....Google doesn't know about his yet.

Here's the press release (watch for wrap):

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=176060&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=830815&highlight=

and here's the service info:

http://aws.amazon.com/s3

--
Regards,

Howard Bornstein
-----------------------
www.designeq.com


From jumpjacks at comcast.net  Tue Mar 14 21:45:20 2006
From: jumpjacks at comcast.net (jumpjacks at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 02:45:20 +0000
Subject: (no subject)
Message-ID: <031520060245.20473.44177FC00006AA6000004FF922073000339C050C0E069F039A06@comcast.net>



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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Mar 14 21:56:44 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:56:44 +1000
Subject: POP 3 & SMTP
In-Reply-To: <002201c647d0$54a1fe30$0201010a@royalnexus>
References: <001a01c647cd$8b27d8b0$0201010a@royalnexus>
	<002201c647d0$54a1fe30$0201010a@royalnexus>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603141856m766b795eu42d58e959ffac4bc@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/15/06, Scott Kane <scott at proherp.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm going to write a small application to assist myself and fellow
> moderators for Usenet.  The home server sends requests for approval
> using email accounts, so no NNTP direct injection is needed.  What
> I'm after is an example of POP3 and SMTP with Rev.  I've looked at
> a couple and they don't seem to work (I'm testing on Win XP Pro).
>

I have a library for each, which you can get from
<http://www.troz.net/Rev/libraries.html>.

I'm a Mac person so they have only been extensively tested on Macs,
but it shouldn't be any different on Windows. Each library comes with
a demo stack for testing. Let me know if you have any problems or if
you have any feature requests.

Cheers,
Sarah


From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Tue Mar 14 22:01:54 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 19:01:54 -0800
Subject: [Slightly OT] Amazon's New Storage Plan - Someone Do a Rev
	Interface?
In-Reply-To: <3f07cc260603141756u25c55bdepc2dedace00f6d0f7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200603142358.k2ENw1Zu028064@ms-smtp-02.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
	<3f07cc260603141756u25c55bdepc2dedace00f6d0f7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603141901v1b87c437gfd5a6d94233ed77d@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for being speedier than me, Howard!

I actually put a link in my original email but apparently managed to hit the
backspace key before sending.



On 3/14/06, Howard Bornstein <howard.bornstein at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 3/14/06, Stephen Barncard <stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com> wrote:
> > Dan -- Link, please if you have it....Google doesn't know about his yet.
>
> Here's the press release (watch for wrap):
>
>
> http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=176060&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=830815&highlight=
>
> and here's the service info:
>
> http://aws.amazon.com/s3
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Howard Bornstein
> -----------------------
> www.designeq.com
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Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
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From Stgoldberg at aol.com  Tue Mar 14 22:28:22 2006
From: Stgoldberg at aol.com (Stgoldberg at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 22:28:22 EST
Subject: Can't delete standalone in Windows
Message-ID: <77.5757bdac.3148e3d6@aol.com>

Regarding the inability to trash certain standalones that are transferred 
from Mac to Windows, it does appear that I can trash the standalone in Windows 
using control-alt-delete.   But to prevent the problem in the first place, you 
are correct, Scott, that quitting the program through the "Quit" command, 
rather than the close box in the titlebar prevents the problem.   Thus, the 
solution seems to be to not build in a close box in the standalone titlebar.   Thanks 
Scott.   I love this group.
Steve Goldberg

In a message dated 3/14/06 5:35:41 PM, 
use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com writes:


> From: "Scott Kane" <scott at proherp.com>
> Subject: RE: Can't delete standalone in Windows
> To: "'How to use Revolution'" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <000401c647a9$fcb9adb0$0201010a at royalnexus>
> Content-Type: text/plain;? ? charset="windows-1250"
> 
> 
> > "Cannot delete (the program). Access is denied.?? Make sure
> > the disk is not
> > full or write protected and that the file in not currently in use."
> 
> Use the CTRL + Delete key.? You'll see your app running there still.
> You can close it from there.? To avoid this be sure to implicitly call
> Quit in the application when closing down.
> 
> Scott
> 



From scott at proherp.com  Tue Mar 14 22:35:59 2006
From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:35:59 +1100
Subject: Can't delete standalone in Windows
In-Reply-To: <77.5757bdac.3148e3d6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000301c647e1$955d6f20$0201010a@royalnexus>

Steve,

> are correct, Scott, that quitting the program through the 
> "Quit" command, 
> rather than the close box in the titlebar prevents the 
> problem.   Thus, the 
> solution seems to be to not build in a close box in the 
> standalone titlebar.   

A better solution is to place the Quit command in the On CloseStack
event...  Then it'll work with the title bar as well.  :-)

> Scott.   I love this group.

The people here are awesome!  They've really helped me
a heap and I am very grateful to be able to pitch in
sometimes.

Cheers

Scott

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From soapdog at mac.com  Tue Mar 14 22:36:15 2006
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 00:36:15 -0300
Subject: [Slightly OT] Amazon's New Storage Plan - Someone Do a
	Rev	Interface?
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603141502y6b65dca1mea2ffbeadc949eca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70ed6b130603141502y6b65dca1mea2ffbeadc949eca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7F70B15B-34DB-40F6-B9D9-71D96318830B@mac.com>

Dan,

It's based on REST and SOAP... I'll try to cook something for it on  
the weekend! :D

(I wonder, we sometimes really need a SOAP library)

Cheers
andre

On Mar 14, 2006, at 8:02 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:

> Amazon announced today a new online mass storage system called S3  
> (Simple
> Storage Service) that sounds amazingly good and really cheap. They've
> published sample code in a bunch of languages. I wonder if anyone  
> here (you
> eavesdropping again, Andre, you crazy Brazilian?) would care to tackle
> writing a Rev UI for it. Could be way cool.
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author
> http://www.shafermedia.com
> Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
>> From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html
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From soapdog at mac.com  Tue Mar 14 22:37:06 2006
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 00:37:06 -0300
Subject: [Slightly OT] Amazon's New Storage Plan - Someone Do a Rev
	Interface?
In-Reply-To: <p06230913c03d09919631@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <70ed6b130603141502y6b65dca1mea2ffbeadc949eca@mail.gmail.com>
	<p06230913c03d09919631@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <84F30816-BB8E-4279-BBF6-C22CB570EC5D@mac.com>

Stephen,

you asked, and you shall receive:  http://www.amazon.com/gp/ 
browse.html/ref=sc_fe_l_2/102-6090063-3048902?% 
5Fencoding=UTF8&node=16427261&no=3435361&me=A36L942TSJ2AJA

the link...

Cheers
andre

On Mar 14, 2006, at 9:02 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> Dan -- Link, please if you have it....Google doesn't know about his  
> yet.
>
>> Amazon announced today a new online mass storage system called S3  
>> (Simple
>> Storage Service) that sounds amazingly good and really cheap. They've
>> published sample code in a bunch of languages. I wonder if anyone  
>> here (you
>> eavesdropping again, Andre, you crazy Brazilian?) would care to  
>> tackle
>> writing a Rev UI for it. Could be way cool.
>>
>> --
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author
>
> -- 
> stephen barncard
> s a n  f r a n c i s c o
> - - -  - - - - - - - - -
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From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Mar 14 22:40:33 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 21:40:33 -0600
Subject: POP 3 & SMTP
In-Reply-To: <002201c647d0$54a1fe30$0201010a@royalnexus>
References: <002201c647d0$54a1fe30$0201010a@royalnexus>
Message-ID: <44178CB1.7000606@chipp.com>

Hi Scott,

Don't know if you checked it out yet, but I have a pretty 
straightforward harness wrapped around Sean Shao's excellent libSmtp253 
available. It's called altEmailHarness at:

http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Downloads.htm

(bottom of the page)

best,

Chipp



From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Mar 14 22:41:51 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 21:41:51 -0600
Subject: [Slightly OT] Amazon's New Storage Plan - Someone Do
	a	Rev	Interface?
In-Reply-To: <7F70B15B-34DB-40F6-B9D9-71D96318830B@mac.com>
References: <70ed6b130603141502y6b65dca1mea2ffbeadc949eca@mail.gmail.com>
	<7F70B15B-34DB-40F6-B9D9-71D96318830B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <44178CFF.4040103@chipp.com>

Hey Andre,

You coming to RevConWest this year? I know you haven't missed one yet :-)

-Chipp



From soapdog at mac.com  Tue Mar 14 22:49:24 2006
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 00:49:24 -0300
Subject: [Slightly OT] Amazon's New Storage Plan - Someone Do	a	Rev
	Interface?
In-Reply-To: <44178CFF.4040103@chipp.com>
References: <70ed6b130603141502y6b65dca1mea2ffbeadc949eca@mail.gmail.com>
	<7F70B15B-34DB-40F6-B9D9-71D96318830B@mac.com>
	<44178CFF.4040103@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <E686BE16-81EB-4024-B7BE-A48FC0CF45DB@mac.com>

Chipp,

not only I plan to come, but, I plan something huge!!!! The only  
issue is that the day has only 24h and I simply can't code enough! I  
think that in couple days, you guys will see a very nice annoucement.

I really want to go this year, as a sponsor, same as last year! and I  
promisse that two weeks before RevConWest, I'll take a conversation  
english course so that I arrive there with less accent!

Cheers
andre



On Mar 15, 2006, at 12:41 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Hey Andre,
>
> You coming to RevConWest this year? I know you haven't missed one  
> yet :-)
>
> -Chipp
>
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Tue Mar 14 22:50:11 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 19:50:11 -0800
Subject: [Slightly OT] Amazon's New Storage Plan - Someone Do a Rev 
 Interface?
In-Reply-To: <3f07cc260603141756u25c55bdepc2dedace00f6d0f7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200603142358.k2ENw1Zu028064@ms-smtp-02.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
	<3f07cc260603141756u25c55bdepc2dedace00f6d0f7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p0623091ac03d3f1921fa@[192.168.1.103]>

This is pretty neat. yes, anyone going for a REV library for this? 
Just the existence of a REV library along with Java, Ruby, C# and 
PERL would get Rev some more legitimacy out there...

sqb


>On 3/14/06, Stephen Barncard <stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com> wrote:
>>  Dan -- Link, please if you have it....Google doesn't know about his yet.
>
>Here's the press release (watch for wrap):
>
>http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=176060&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=830815&highlight=
>
>and here's the service info:
>
>http://aws.amazon.com/s3
>
>--
>Regards,
>
>Howard Bornstein
>-----------------------
>www.designeq.com

-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -


From scott at proherp.com  Tue Mar 14 22:51:28 2006
From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:51:28 +1100
Subject: [Slightly OT] Amazon's New Storage Plan - Someone
	Doa	Rev	Interface?
In-Reply-To: <44178CFF.4040103@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <000801c647e3$bf2aa870$0201010a@royalnexus>

> You coming to RevConWest this year? I know you haven't missed 
> one yet :-)

Wish we had more developers down under.
RevConOz would be great.

Scott

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From soapdog at mac.com  Tue Mar 14 23:05:54 2006
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 01:05:54 -0300
Subject: [Slightly OT] Amazon's New Storage Plan - Someone Do a Rev
	Interface?
In-Reply-To: <p0623091ac03d3f1921fa@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <200603142358.k2ENw1Zu028064@ms-smtp-02.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
	<3f07cc260603141756u25c55bdepc2dedace00f6d0f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<p0623091ac03d3f1921fa@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <C0E376CB-ADE0-4363-87D9-3038D4098817@mac.com>

Folks,

I am looking into it right now. The authentication needs HMAC/SHA1  
encryption, do we have that in Rev? If we can assemble the AWS  
authentication the rest is pretty easy.

Cheers
andre



On Mar 15, 2006, at 12:50 AM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> This is pretty neat. yes, anyone going for a REV library for this?  
> Just the existence of a REV library along with Java, Ruby, C# and  
> PERL would get Rev some more legitimacy out there...
>
> sqb
>
>
>> On 3/14/06, Stephen Barncard <stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com> wrote:
>>>  Dan -- Link, please if you have it....Google doesn't know about  
>>> his yet.
>>
>> Here's the press release (watch for wrap):
>>
>> http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=176060&p=irol- 
>> newsArticle&ID=830815&highlight=
>>
>> and here's the service info:
>>
>> http://aws.amazon.com/s3
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Howard Bornstein
>> -----------------------
>> www.designeq.com
>
> -- 
> stephen barncard
> s a n  f r a n c i s c o
> - - -  - - - - - - - - -
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Tue Mar 14 23:04:07 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 20:04:07 -0800
Subject: [Slightly OT] Amazon's New Storage Plan - Someone Do	a	Rev 
 Interface?
In-Reply-To: <E686BE16-81EB-4024-B7BE-A48FC0CF45DB@mac.com>
References: <70ed6b130603141502y6b65dca1mea2ffbeadc949eca@mail.gmail.com>
	<7F70B15B-34DB-40F6-B9D9-71D96318830B@mac.com>
	<44178CFF.4040103@chipp.com>
	<E686BE16-81EB-4024-B7BE-A48FC0CF45DB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p0623091cc03d4273eb11@[192.168.1.103]>

Andre, your English is FINE! and you're funny too!
It will be great to see your smiling self again...
sqb

>Chipp,
>
>not only I plan to come, but, I plan something huge!!!! The only 
>issue is that the day has only 24h and I simply can't code enough! I 
>think that in couple days, you guys will see a very nice annoucement.
>
>I really want to go this year, as a sponsor, same as last year! and 
>I promisse that two weeks before RevConWest, I'll take a 
>conversation english course so that I arrive there with less accent!
>
>Cheers
>andre
>

-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -


From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Tue Mar 14 23:31:32 2006
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 23:31:32 -0500
Subject: The long answer on when to use a function vs command
Message-ID: <1A0956C4-8524-461D-81AE-7450C3FF06D5@adelphia.net>

Hello listeroos,

Can someone give the long answer on when is it best to use a function  
versus a command? I have a lot to write of both commands and  
functions and have been overly confusing myself. Please give at least  
two examples each with parameters and how to call/use them.

Much appreciated,

Tom


Thomas J McGrath III
3mcgrath at adelphia.net

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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Mar 14 23:46:36 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 20:46:36 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <20060315030531.063AD8260CC@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060315030531.063AD8260CC@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <44179C2C.4060304@fourthworld.com>

Dan Shafer wrote:
> Web applications in the sense Ruby on Rails defines them cannot be written
> in Revolution.

Since that definition requires the Ruby language and that it be on
"rails", nothing can satisfy it except Ruby on Rails.

:)

But DHTML (or AJAX* as the kids now call it) is just ASCII, and
Transcript is unusually adept at parsing, concatenating, and merging
text.  And behind the presentation layer a database is a database, and
interfacing it is always only as graceful as the self-discipline of the
developer, regardless of the language.  Frameworks are not a new
invention, and certainly not unique to RoR.

If the goal is to meet someone else's very specific definition of a
development paradigm, sure, Transcript may not be able to do exactly that.

But if the goal is to deliver the benefits of productive, flexible 
systems, Transcript can prove quite capable in ways that may surprise.

Extra bonus points:  With Rev you have the option of moving beyond Web 
2.0 as in <http://maps.google.com/>, and moving right up to Web 3.0 a la 
<http://earth.google.com/>. :)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


* I'm so old when I hear "Ajax" I think of 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_ajax>.


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Mar 14 23:46:14 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 22:46:14 -0600
Subject: The long answer on when to use a function vs command
In-Reply-To: <1A0956C4-8524-461D-81AE-7450C3FF06D5@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <C03CF836.37B86%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/14/06 10:31 PM, "Thomas McGrath III" <3mcgrath at adelphia.net> wrote:

> Hello listeroos,
> 
> Can someone give the long answer on when is it best to use a function
> versus a command? I have a lot to write of both commands and
> functions and have been overly confusing myself. Please give at least
> two examples each with parameters and how to call/use them.

In general, you use functions when you want to return some value, and you
use commands to "execute" things. However, both constructs allow you to do
both, so it's really a matter of preference.

An example of a typical function:

on mouseUp
  put addEmUp(5,10,20) into field 1
end mouseUp

function addEmUp pNum1,pNum2,pNum3
  put pNum1+pNum2+pNum3 into tTotal
  return tTotal
end addEmUp

and a typical command:

on mouseUp
  NotifyUser "We're done!"
end mouseUp

on NotifyUser pMsg
  put "Just wanted to tell you:" && pMsg into tText
  answer tText
end NotifyUser

However you could (if you wanted to), reverse them:

A function as a command:

on mouseUp
  addEmUp 5,10,20
  put the result into field 1
end mouseUp

on addEmUp pNum1,pNum2,pNum3
  put pNum1+pNum2+pNum3 into tTotal
  return tTotal
end addEmUp

A command as a function:

on mouseUp
  get NotifyUser("We're done!")
end mouseUp

function NotifyUser pMsg
  put "Just wanted to tell you:" && pMsg into tText
  answer tText
end NotifyUser

Your call as to how to use them... but in general, a function returns a
value and a command doesn't.

HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From soapdog at mac.com  Wed Mar 15 00:29:44 2006
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 02:29:44 -0300
Subject: The long answer on when to use a function vs command
In-Reply-To: <C03CF836.37B86%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C03CF836.37B86%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <927DD39C-D71E-4B9A-BF56-6B100485093A@mac.com>

Also, one important thing to notice is that commands (I am the only  
one that call them handlers?) do travel the message path so you can  
use all the message path 'manipulators' to work on them. For example  
for a simple timeout routine:

on timeout
    answer "Timeout!!!!"
end timeout

on doSomething
   local tTimeoutMsgID

  send timeout to me in 15 seconds
  put the result into tTimeoutMsgID -- Stores the message ID for the  
send in time operation
  doSomethingThatWillTakeTime
  cancel tTimeoutMsgID
end doSomething

So if the doSomethingThatWillTakeTime takes more than 15 seconds the  
timeout message will trigger, if not, the cancel operation will  
cancel the pendingMessage. This behaviour is much more complicate to  
achieve using functions for you can't send a function in time. My  
*style* is

	Cases when I use Commands/Handlers: When the code should be used  
with a 'send in time' opetation. When the command should be  
considered an Event, as in UI Events, Server transaction events, game  
workflow events. When I want OOP-style inheritance, like messages  
travelling up the message path from object->card->stack.

	Cases when I use functions: all the quick routines that simply are  
supposed to receive arguments and output results. All the repetitive  
tasks, if I identiy a piece of code that is used in two or more  
handlers, I make that piece a function and remove it from the handler.

I tend to think like Commands own the code and functions are handy  
things that Commands use. When I think a program, I think which  
events will happen, I then code them as Commands/Messages/Handlers  
then I make all the functions needed by those handlers. Thats how I  
think, which, I think is not how everyone thinks...

Cheers
andre




On Mar 15, 2006, at 1:46 AM, Ken Ray wrote:

> On 3/14/06 10:31 PM, "Thomas McGrath III" <3mcgrath at adelphia.net>  
> wrote:
>
>> Hello listeroos,
>>
>> Can someone give the long answer on when is it best to use a function
>> versus a command? I have a lot to write of both commands and
>> functions and have been overly confusing myself. Please give at least
>> two examples each with parameters and how to call/use them.
>
> In general, you use functions when you want to return some value,  
> and you
> use commands to "execute" things. However, both constructs allow  
> you to do
> both, so it's really a matter of preference.
>
> An example of a typical function:
>
> on mouseUp
>   put addEmUp(5,10,20) into field 1
> end mouseUp
>
> function addEmUp pNum1,pNum2,pNum3
>   put pNum1+pNum2+pNum3 into tTotal
>   return tTotal
> end addEmUp
>
> and a typical command:
>
> on mouseUp
>   NotifyUser "We're done!"
> end mouseUp
>
> on NotifyUser pMsg
>   put "Just wanted to tell you:" && pMsg into tText
>   answer tText
> end NotifyUser
>
> However you could (if you wanted to), reverse them:
>
> A function as a command:
>
> on mouseUp
>   addEmUp 5,10,20
>   put the result into field 1
> end mouseUp
>
> on addEmUp pNum1,pNum2,pNum3
>   put pNum1+pNum2+pNum3 into tTotal
>   return tTotal
> end addEmUp
>
> A command as a function:
>
> on mouseUp
>   get NotifyUser("We're done!")
> end mouseUp
>
> function NotifyUser pMsg
>   put "Just wanted to tell you:" && pMsg into tText
>   answer tText
> end NotifyUser
>
> Your call as to how to use them... but in general, a function  
> returns a
> value and a command doesn't.
>
> HTH,
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
>
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From davis.phil at comcast.net  Wed Mar 15 00:31:16 2006
From: davis.phil at comcast.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 21:31:16 -0800
Subject: Making the move... [way OT]
In-Reply-To: <44179C2C.4060304@fourthworld.com>
References: <20060315030531.063AD8260CC@mail.runrev.com>
	<44179C2C.4060304@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4417A6A4.1060107@comcast.net>

Richard Gaskin wrote:
-- snip --
> * I'm so old when I hear "Ajax" I think of 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_ajax>.

I think of the jingle I heard on TV as a kid:
   http://pdslabs.net/ajax-foaming-cleanser-50a.wav

Phil Davis



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Mar 15 00:36:13 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 21:36:13 -0800
Subject: [Slightly OT] Amazon's New Storage Plan - Someone Do a Rev
	Interface?
In-Reply-To: <3f07cc260603141756u25c55bdepc2dedace00f6d0f7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200603142358.k2ENw1Zu028064@ms-smtp-02.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
	<3f07cc260603141756u25c55bdepc2dedace00f6d0f7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <12344666617.20060314213613@ahsoftware.net>

Howard-

Tuesday, March 14, 2006, 5:56:33 PM, you wrote:

> http://aws.amazon.com/s3

...it's got a BitTorrent interface !!!

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From soapdog at mac.com  Wed Mar 15 00:37:18 2006
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 02:37:18 -0300
Subject: [Slightly OT] Amazon's New Storage Plan - Someone Do a Rev
	Interface?
In-Reply-To: <12344666617.20060314213613@ahsoftware.net>
References: <200603142358.k2ENw1Zu028064@ms-smtp-02.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
	<3f07cc260603141756u25c55bdepc2dedace00f6d0f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<12344666617.20060314213613@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <045632CB-82DD-48E4-AC5C-839BB64D6DEB@mac.com>

Mark,

it still required HMAC/SHA1 authentication which I think our current  
implementation of encrypt can't generate...

Cheers
andre

On Mar 15, 2006, at 2:36 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Howard-
>
> Tuesday, March 14, 2006, 5:56:33 PM, you wrote:
>
>> http://aws.amazon.com/s3
>
> ...it's got a BitTorrent interface !!!
>
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
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From soapdog at mac.com  Wed Mar 15 00:57:53 2006
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 02:57:53 -0300
Subject: can someone show me a CRM solution
In-Reply-To: <C03C8FBF.37B14%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C03C8FBF.37B14%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <B9115D18-8BFC-4BD6-8206-C58C722A00D3@mac.com>

Ken,

I've seen the screens for mac and the project part... those grid  
fields are amazing, are they stacked objects? the wonderfull popup  
inside flds to select "executive producer" and stuff, pretty cool

Cheers
andre

On Mar 14, 2006, at 6:20 PM, Ken Ray wrote:

> On 3/14/06 2:17 PM, "Thom Wright" <twright at jamestown.wnyric.org>  
> wrote:
>
>> If possible, could someone point me towards a CRM solution created  
>> with
>> runrev.
>
> It's vertical market for the entertainment industry:
>
>   http://www.inentertainment.com/
>
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Mar 15 01:03:36 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 00:03:36 -0600
Subject: to many mails
In-Reply-To: <p06230917c03d1774d758@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <20060315005624.33602.qmail@web31311.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<p06230917c03d1774d758@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <4417AE38.6060903@hyperactivesw.com>

Stephen Barncard wrote:
> Then read the link at the bottom of your email and usub, dude, just the 
> way you subscribed.

Actually, it's possible he doesn't know how he got subscribed. The last 
time I looked, there was a checkbox that subscribed you to the list when 
you downloaded the trial version. If you don't notice and don't uncheck 
it, here you are. Most people understand what to do, but some others 
don't know what a mailing list is and don't know why they are being flooded.

You and I, on the other hand, understand why we are being flooded and we 
put up with it anyway. ;)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Mar 15 01:04:43 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 00:04:43 -0600
Subject: can someone show me a CRM solution
In-Reply-To: <B9115D18-8BFC-4BD6-8206-C58C722A00D3@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C03D0A9B.37B94%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/14/06 11:57 PM, "Andre Garzia" <soapdog at mac.com> wrote:

> Ken,
> 
> I've seen the screens for mac and the project part... those grid
> fields are amazing, are they stacked objects? the wonderfull popup
> inside flds to select "executive producer" and stuff, pretty cool

Thanks! Richard did the basis for the grid fields, which I added and
modified later on... they're not stacked objects but multiple objects in a
group (a main field with gridlines turned on, buttons over each column for
titles, invisible buttons between column headers to get the drag-resizing
ability, a bunch of custom properties and a library to handle it all).

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From soapdog at mac.com  Wed Mar 15 01:11:40 2006
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 03:11:40 -0300
Subject: can someone show me a CRM solution
In-Reply-To: <C03D0A9B.37B94%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C03D0A9B.37B94%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <1B321E70-9FCB-4EE6-9D8D-E9E7616A1F8A@mac.com>

Ken,

Okay, you can say that I am officially amazed!!!! :D

You know, you should take grabs of all those stuff, create slide show  
and we can have a silent session at RevConWest called "watch and  
wonder"... We can throw in some Jerry Daniels interfaces and Scott  
Rossi marvels, then, after, we could create a military scale  
extraction plan to remove you guys from the building before people  
started asking "How on earth can those things be done!!!!"

;-)

Andre


On Mar 15, 2006, at 3:04 AM, Ken Ray wrote:

> On 3/14/06 11:57 PM, "Andre Garzia" <soapdog at mac.com> wrote:
>
>> Ken,
>>
>> I've seen the screens for mac and the project part... those grid
>> fields are amazing, are they stacked objects? the wonderfull popup
>> inside flds to select "executive producer" and stuff, pretty cool
>
> Thanks! Richard did the basis for the grid fields, which I added and
> modified later on... they're not stacked objects but multiple  
> objects in a
> group (a main field with gridlines turned on, buttons over each  
> column for
> titles, invisible buttons between column headers to get the drag- 
> resizing
> ability, a bunch of custom properties and a library to handle it all).
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
>
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> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Mar 15 01:16:02 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 00:16:02 -0600
Subject: The long answer on when to use a function vs command
In-Reply-To: <1A0956C4-8524-461D-81AE-7450C3FF06D5@adelphia.net>
References: <1A0956C4-8524-461D-81AE-7450C3FF06D5@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <4417B122.3070902@hyperactivesw.com>

Thomas McGrath III wrote:
> Hello listeroos,
> 
> Can someone give the long answer on when is it best to use a function  
> versus a command? I have a lot to write of both commands and  functions 
> and have been overly confusing myself. Please give at least  two 
> examples each with parameters and how to call/use them.

This may help:

<http://hyperactivesw.com/functions.html>

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From davis.phil at comcast.net  Wed Mar 15 01:39:44 2006
From: davis.phil at comcast.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 22:39:44 -0800
Subject: The long answer on when to use a function vs command
In-Reply-To: <1A0956C4-8524-461D-81AE-7450C3FF06D5@adelphia.net>
References: <1A0956C4-8524-461D-81AE-7450C3FF06D5@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <4417B6B0.9080209@comcast.net>

Hi Tom,

Here are some simple ways I figure out whether to use a command or a 
function in a given situation.

A function name can naturally take on the role of a noun in a sentence. 
Or in RunRev terms, it can naturally fill the role of a containerName. A 
good function name can really improve the readability of the code in 
those places where it is used.

   put selectedTunes() into fld "tuneList"
   put cardObjectIDs("firstCard") into tObjectList
   if errorCount() > 3 then...

In each of the above cases, a function name takes the place of a 
subprocess that is probably secondary to the purpose of the calling 
handler. That secondary code is moved to a place of its own, where it 
can be appreciated for its value instead of cursed as a distraction, as 
it might be if it were coded inline. Without functions, code would be a 
lot harder to read.


A command name can be a short imperative sentence without the spaces:

   refreshMembersList
   closeCurrentScreen
   startMotor
   moveRobotArm "left",5 -- this one has 2 parameters

If at a given spot in your code, you can describe what needs to be done 
in a short sentence like the ones above, a command will probably serve 
well in that spot.


This isn't exactly what you asked for, but maybe it helps.

Phil Davis



Thomas McGrath III wrote:
> Hello listeroos,
> 
> Can someone give the long answer on when is it best to use a function  
> versus a command? I have a lot to write of both commands and  functions 
> and have been overly confusing myself. Please give at least  two 
> examples each with parameters and how to call/use them.
> 
> Much appreciated,
> 
> Tom
> 
> 
> Thomas J McGrath III
> 3mcgrath at adelphia.net
> 
> Lazy River Software? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com
> 
> Lazy River Metal Art? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/metal.html
> 
> Meeting Wear? - http://www.cafepress.com/meetingwear
> 
> Semantic Compaction Systems - http://www.minspeak.com
> 
> SCIconics, LLC - http://www.sciconics.com/sciindex.html



From scott at proherp.com  Wed Mar 15 03:07:47 2006
From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 19:07:47 +1100
Subject: can someone show me a CRM solution
In-Reply-To: <1B321E70-9FCB-4EE6-9D8D-E9E7616A1F8A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <000101c64807$8d4a3720$0201010a@royalnexus>

> Okay, you can say that I am officially amazed!!!! :D
> 
> You know, you should take grabs of all those stuff, create 
> slide show  
> and we can have a silent session at RevConWest called "watch and  
> wonder"... We can throw in some Jerry Daniels interfaces and Scott  
> Rossi marvels, then, after, we could create a military scale  
> extraction plan to remove you guys from the building before people  
> started asking "How on earth can those things be done!!!!"

It'd be great if more people on the list could show off screenshots
of what they've achieved in Rev.  I mean - we know, now, that Ken's
doing some cool things, and we know Chipp is a past master of
great looking Windows GUI's.  But it'd be nice to see what other
people have achieved too.  Could be rather insperational.

Scott

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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Wed Mar 15 05:40:26 2006
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:40:26 +0800
Subject: Not connecting to MySQL 5
Message-ID: <f73a98160603150240r5db19a07ve095556c0eafba9@mail.gmail.com>

OSX.4.5
Rev 2.6.1
MySQL 5.0.18 Standard
connect via localhost

Just upgraded MySQL from 4 to 5, which was a bit of a drag because the
download wasn't the usual install package (.dmg) but expanded out to a
normal folder filled with all the goodies. Took a while to figure out what I
had to do to move the folder where it needed to go.

Anyway, eventually got eveything up and running, I can start MySQL the usual
way using the Prefence Pane. I can connect to all my data using CocoaMySQL -
which confirms that MySQL 5.0.18 standard is running.

Unfortunately my stacks don't work. The result of:

put revOpenDatabase("MySQL",,"dbname","dbusr","usrpassword") into
gDatabaseID

is "Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server;
consider upgrading MySQL client"

The above function appears in an openstack handler after a bunch of other
stuff happens, but even if I just run the funcion in the message box I get
the same result.

Is Rev 2.6.1 incompatible with MySQL 5?

I checked revzilla and I didn't see anything there.

I notice also that Ken Ray was asking about MySQL 5 - did you eventually
upgrade to 5 and is it working for you?

Any advice appreciated.


From mb.ur at harbourhost.co.uk  Wed Mar 15 06:20:00 2006
From: mb.ur at harbourhost.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:20:00 +0000
Subject: Not connecting to MySQL 5
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160603150240r5db19a07ve095556c0eafba9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f73a98160603150240r5db19a07ve095556c0eafba9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4417F860.5060405@harbourhost.co.uk>

You need to use a login account whose password is in OLD_PASSWORD 
format. Rev can't do the newer format. See MySQL docs for info in the 
problems and common errors section.

Martin

Kay C Lan wrote:
> OSX.4.5
> Rev 2.6.1
> MySQL 5.0.18 Standard
> connect via localhost
> 
> Just upgraded MySQL from 4 to 5, which was a bit of a drag because the
> download wasn't the usual install package (.dmg) but expanded out to a
> normal folder filled with all the goodies. Took a while to figure out what I
> had to do to move the folder where it needed to go.
> 
> Anyway, eventually got eveything up and running, I can start MySQL the usual
> way using the Prefence Pane. I can connect to all my data using CocoaMySQL -
> which confirms that MySQL 5.0.18 standard is running.
> 
> Unfortunately my stacks don't work. The result of:
> 
> put revOpenDatabase("MySQL",,"dbname","dbusr","usrpassword") into
> gDatabaseID
> 
> is "Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server;
> consider upgrading MySQL client"
> 
> The above function appears in an openstack handler after a bunch of other
> stuff happens, but even if I just run the funcion in the message box I get
> the same result.
> 
> Is Rev 2.6.1 incompatible with MySQL 5?
> 
> I checked revzilla and I didn't see anything there.
> 
> I notice also that Ken Ray was asking about MySQL 5 - did you eventually
> upgrade to 5 and is it working for you?
> 
> Any advice appreciated.
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From stevenf at gmail.com  Wed Mar 15 07:01:56 2006
From: stevenf at gmail.com (Steven Fernandez)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 08:01:56 -0400
Subject: Best source for examples
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603081045k19d69846w88aa36356372399@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00dc01c63bbd$bb2fd650$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>
	<70ed6b130603081045k19d69846w88aa36356372399@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <768fa4fc0603150401v705843b5se9454a2b19678f49@mail.gmail.com>

I was in your shoes and Dan's book was a great start.


On 3/8/06, Dan Shafer <revolutionary.dan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Andy....
>
> Welcome to the Revolution!
>
> At the risk of being accused of shameless self-promotion (OK, it *is*
> shameless self-promotion), you might benefit by reading my book,
> "REvolution: Software at the Speed of Thought," available through Shafer
> Media Store at http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html in both PDF
> and printed form.
>
> The other suggestions folks have made here are valuable as well.
>
>
> On 2/27/06, Andy <andy at cogress.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > Can anyone point me to some resources, examples etc for Rev? I'm new to
> it
> > (i.e. last Friday), and being a PHP programmer, I'm still trying to get
> my
> > head around the concepts!
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>
>
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author
> http://www.shafermedia.com
> Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
> >From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html
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From a.calloway at callowaygreen.com  Wed Mar 15 07:47:01 2006
From: a.calloway at callowaygreen.com (Andy Calloway)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:47:01 -0000
Subject: Best source for examples
In-Reply-To: <768fa4fc0603150401v705843b5se9454a2b19678f49@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c6482e$8e374480$0200a8c0@ACERLaptop>

Just bought it and printing it out now.

I've been sat here with RunRev on my laptop having the odd play with it and
not really doing anything serious so as it's lunchtime I think it's time to
have a go!

Andy.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Steven Fernandez
> Sent: 15 March 2006 12:02
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Best source for examples
> 
> I was in your shoes and Dan's book was a great start.
> 
> 



From wdesmet at wanadoo.nl  Wed Mar 15 07:51:35 2006
From: wdesmet at wanadoo.nl (William de Smet)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:51:35 +0100
Subject: Can anyone explain me how to shorten the code I use?
Message-ID: <b016f13e0603150451w7d6bdcado@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there,
I've picked up Rev today after a while and started a new app.
I noticed how it amused me again but there is still one thing I don't
understand: I have repeating code and I don't know how to shorten it.
In my app I will use 25 fields and they need to be checked:
--field "naam1"
if the text of field "naam1" = empty and the selectedtext of button
"naam1nivo" = "1"
 then answer error "Naam van leerling 1 mag niet leeg zijn!"
 if the text of field "naam1" = empty and the selectedtext of button
"naam1nivo" = "2"
 then answer error "Naam van leerling 1 mag niet leeg zijn!"
 if the text of field "naam1" = empty and the selectedtext of button
"naam1nivo" = "3"
 then answer error "Naam van leerling 1 mag niet leeg zijn!"
 if the text of field "naam1" = empty and the selectedtext of button
"naam1nivo" = "4"
 then answer error "Naam van leerling 1 mag niet leeg zijn!"
 if the text of field "naam1" = empty and the selectedtext of button
"naam1nivo" = "5"
 then answer error "Naam van leerling 1 mag niet leeg zijn!"
 if the text of field "naam1" = empty and the selectedtext of button
"naam1nivo" = "6"
 then answer error "Naam van leerling 1 mag niet leeg zijn!"
 if the text of field "naam1" = empty and the selectedtext of button
"naam1nivo" = "7"
 then answer error "Naam van leerling 1 mag niet leeg zijn!"

 if the text of field "naam1" is not empty and the selectedtext of
button "naam1nivo" = "..."
 then answer error "Niveau van leerling 1 mag niet leeg zijn!"

 if the text of field "naam1" = empty and the selectedtext of button
"naam1nivo" = "..."
 then put "" into tData
 else put field "naam1" && the selection of button "naam1nivo" &cr into tData

So can anyone help to shorten the code (because I have 25 fields)?

Greetings from a cold but sunny Holland,

William de Smet


From mark at maseurope.net  Wed Mar 15 08:37:53 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:37:53 +0000
Subject: Can anyone explain me how to shorten the code I use?
In-Reply-To: <b016f13e0603150451w7d6bdcado@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b016f13e0603150451w7d6bdcado@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E431CE6E-52CD-4C0B-A51E-E2D2DE648382@maseurope.net>

William, you can build the names of controls as you go, like so:


repeat with n = 1 to 25
   put "naam" & n into tFieldName
   put "naam" & n & "nivo" into tButtonName
   ...

end repeat

You get the idea,


best,

Mark


On 15 Mar 2006, at 12:51, William de Smet wrote:

> f the text of field "naam1" = empty and the selectedtext of button
> "naam1nivo" = "1"
>  then answer error "Naam van leerling 1 mag niet leeg zijn!"
>  if the text of field "naam1" = empty and the selectedtext of button
> "naam1nivo" = "2"



From gilbert at isphlg.rimed.cu  Wed Mar 15 10:24:53 2006
From: gilbert at isphlg.rimed.cu (Gilberto Cuba)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 10:24:53 -0500
Subject: Minimize stack...
Message-ID: <00a101c64844$f2e2be80$1c037b98@p42600>

Hi,

I have a Rev 2.6 in a Debian Sarge distributions, and I tried to minimize my 
application in KDE, it work very fine, but I tried to minimized in GNOME 
that is not work. Why?

How I can minimize my application in GNOME?

Best regards,

Gilberto Cuba 





From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Wed Mar 15 10:13:01 2006
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 10:13:01 -0500
Subject: The long answer on when to use a function vs command
In-Reply-To: <4417B6B0.9080209@comcast.net>
References: <1A0956C4-8524-461D-81AE-7450C3FF06D5@adelphia.net>
	<4417B6B0.9080209@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <303B2CB4-DF4A-433F-B8B7-89E7A1F6EBE2@adelphia.net>

Ken, Jac, Andre, and Phil,

In the past I have only used functions for mathematical equations and  
not much else. I tend to use commands(handlers) for everything.

I didn't know about the 'send in time' issue with functions, thanks  
Andre.
I didn't think about the noun usage which seems sound.
I usually considered functions to be small little things but am not  
sure if that is fair or right.

I am curious as to any other unique aspects that could affect a  
decision on which to use in different situations.

Functions are normally used with a 'put' or 'get' -- Is this true?
Commands are normally used alone (with/without a parameter) but not  
usually with a get or put -- Is this true?

Is one more friendly with a lot of parameters? -- enough params that  
you would need a switch/case

If you have a function to get some info on an object like:
put getObjInfo("objName") into field "Info"

Would you use a command to set that info like: -- or should this be a  
function too? -- (ignore the cust prop aspect for now)
setObjInfo "Fun"

or

getObjVis() -- function
setObjVis true -- command

getObjPosition() -- function
setObjPosition 34,5 -- command


Is get and set a good indicator of wether they should be functions or  
commands?

Thanks

Tom

On Mar 15, 2006, at 1:39 AM, Phil Davis wrote:

> Hi Tom,
>
> Here are some simple ways I figure out whether to use a command or  
> a function in a given situation.
>
> A function name can naturally take on the role of a noun in a  
> sentence. Or in RunRev terms, it can naturally fill the role of a  
> containerName. A good function name can really improve the  
> readability of the code in those places where it is used.
>
>   put selectedTunes() into fld "tuneList"
>   put cardObjectIDs("firstCard") into tObjectList
>   if errorCount() > 3 then...
>
> In each of the above cases, a function name takes the place of a  
> subprocess that is probably secondary to the purpose of the calling  
> handler. That secondary code is moved to a place of its own, where  
> it can be appreciated for its value instead of cursed as a  
> distraction, as it might be if it were coded inline. Without  
> functions, code would be a lot harder to read.
>
>
> A command name can be a short imperative sentence without the spaces:
>
>   refreshMembersList
>   closeCurrentScreen
>   startMotor
>   moveRobotArm "left",5 -- this one has 2 parameters
>
> If at a given spot in your code, you can describe what needs to be  
> done in a short sentence like the ones above, a command will  
> probably serve well in that spot.


From kevin at runrev.com  Wed Mar 15 10:17:48 2006
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:17:48 +0000
Subject: Runtime and Proactive Enter into Strategic Agreement
Message-ID: <C03DE09C.2D835%kevin@runrev.com>

Hi All,

I would like to let you know of some changes at Runtime Revolution Ltd. We
have historically been based in Scotland since our inception as a company,
and while we have a super international user community and sales have
steadily improved over the years, we have been looking at ways to take the
company to the next level.

Over the last several months, you may have noticed some changes - not the
least our website!

Runtime Revolution has now partnered with Proactive International
(http://www.proactive-intl.com) to help us evolve as a business. This
includes not only nuts-and-bolts of selling into new markets, but also
worldwide strategic business management. Proactive International has worked
with a broad spectrum of software companies and products - with significant
experience in development tools and media applications.

Proactive International is owned by Lynn Fredricks, who you may already be
familiar with from our various lists. He is also (now) a shareholder in
Runtime Revolution.

Over the course if this coming year, I believe you will witness some steady
steps forward from Runtime as a business and Revolution as a product.
Proactive will be talking a very active role in this, and this will include
a higher level of involvement of Lynn with the venues in which Runtime works
with customers. You should not be surprised if he also uses a signature that
is appropriate to working with Runtime at the executive level.

I hope you will make Lynn and Proactive welcome. I do not want to turn this
into an extended discussion on the list, so if you would like to ask
detailed questions I recommend that you email Lynn or myself directly.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Mar 15 10:31:50 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 09:31:50 -0600
Subject: Can anyone explain me how to shorten the code I use?
In-Reply-To: <b016f13e0603150451w7d6bdcado@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C03D8F86.37BDB%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/15/06 6:51 AM, "William de Smet" <wdesmet at wanadoo.nl> wrote:

> Hi there,
> I've picked up Rev today after a while and started a new app.
> I noticed how it amused me again but there is still one thing I don't
> understand: I have repeating code and I don't know how to shorten it.

Try this:

if the text of field "naam1" = empty then
  repeat with x = 1 to 25
    if the selectedText of btn "naam1nivo" = x then
      answer error "Naam van leerling 1 mag niet leeg zijn!"
    end if
  end repeat
  if the selectedText of btn "naam1nivo" = "... then
    put "" into tData
  else 
    put field "naam1" && the selection of button "naam1nivo" &cr into tData
  end if
else  -- text field not empty
  if the selectedText of btn "naam1nivo" = "... then
    answer error "Niveau van leerling 1 mag niet leeg zijn!"
  end if
end if

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Wed Mar 15 10:49:52 2006
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:49:52 +0000
Subject: Screenshots of our creations (was: can someone show me a CRM
	solution)
In-Reply-To: <000101c64807$8d4a3720$0201010a@royalnexus>
References: <000101c64807$8d4a3720$0201010a@royalnexus>
Message-ID: <31DD987D-02D1-423E-ACD6-C04E6A1BFC32@azurevision.co.uk>

Wonderful idea!

Here's a screengrab movie to get things rolling, of an early stage  
work-in-progress:
<http://azurevision.co.uk/virtual_museum/room-editor_preview_h264.html>
3MB, QT7 required.

Note that the transition at the beginning and the blue 'area of  
interest' borders were added in Keynote, not Rev.

Ian

On 15 Mar 2006, at 08:07, Scott Kane wrote:

> It'd be great if more people on the list could show off screenshots
> of what they've achieved in Rev.  I mean - we know, now, that Ken's
> doing some cool things, and we know Chipp is a past master of
> great looking Windows GUI's.  But it'd be nice to see what other
> people have achieved too.  Could be rather insperational.
>
> Scott




From rcozens at pon.net  Wed Mar 15 11:00:51 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 08:00:51 -0800
Subject: Can anyone explain me how to shorten the code I use?
In-Reply-To: <b016f13e0603150451w7d6bdcado@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b016f13e0603150451w7d6bdcado@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E050366D-B43C-11DA-8A86-0030657E1638@pon.net>


Hi William,

> if the text of field "naam1" = empty and the selectedtext of button
> "naam1nivo" = "1"
>  then answer error "Naam van leerling 1 mag niet leeg zijn!"
>  if the text of field "naam1" = empty and the selectedtext of button
> "naam1nivo" = "2"
>  then answer error "Naam van leerling 1 mag niet leeg zijn!"
>  if the text of field "naam1" = empty and the selectedtext of button
> "naam1nivo" = "3"
>  then answer error "Naam van leerling 1 mag niet leeg zijn!"
>  if the text of field "naam1" = empty and the selectedtext of button
> "naam1nivo" = "4"
>  then answer error "Naam van leerling 1 mag niet leeg zijn!"
>  if the text of field "naam1" = empty and the selectedtext of button
> "naam1nivo" = "5"
>  then answer error "Naam van leerling 1 mag niet leeg zijn!"
>  if the text of field "naam1" = empty and the selectedtext of button
> "naam1nivo" = "6"
>  then answer error "Naam van leerling 1 mag niet leeg zijn!"
>  if the text of field "naam1" = empty and the selectedtext of button
> "naam1nivo" = "7"
>  then answer error "Naam van leerling 1 mag niet leeg zijn!"

Note: the following case

>
>  if the text of field "naam1" is not empty and the selectedtext of
> button "naam1nivo" = "..."
>  then answer error "Niveau van leerling 1 mag niet leeg zijn!"
>

triggers a second action in the else clause below

>  if the text of field "naam1" = empty and the selectedtext of button
> "naam1nivo" = "..."
>  then put "" into tData
>  else put field "naam1" && the selection of button "naam1nivo" &cr 
> into tData
>
> So can anyone help to shorten the code (because I have 25 fields)?
>

on processFields
    put  "Naam van leerling 1 mag niet leeg zijn!" into errorMessage -- 
if "1" is constant
    repeat with x = 1 to 25
        put  ("Naam van leerling"&x&"mag niet leeg zijn!") into 
errorMessage -- if "1" changes
        put ("naam"&x&"nivo") into buttonName
        put (the text of field ("naam"&x) = empty) into emptyField
        get the selectedtext of button buttonName
        if  it "..." then
            if not emptyField then answer error errorMessage
            if emptyField then put "" into tData
            else put field ("naam"&x) && the selection of button 
buttonName &cr into tData
        else if emptyField answer error errorMessage
     end repeat
end processFields

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From rcozens at pon.net  Wed Mar 15 11:10:15 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 08:10:15 -0800
Subject: Can anyone explain me how to shorten the code I use?
In-Reply-To: <E050366D-B43C-11DA-8A86-0030657E1638@pon.net>
References: <b016f13e0603150451w7d6bdcado@mail.gmail.com>
	<E050366D-B43C-11DA-8A86-0030657E1638@pon.net>
Message-ID: <304B83A5-B43E-11DA-8A86-0030657E1638@pon.net>


Moi:

>        if  it "..." then
>

should be:

	if it = "..." then

Sorry.

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From userev at canelasoftware.com  Wed Mar 15 11:24:29 2006
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 08:24:29 -0800
Subject: Screenshots of our creations (was: can someone show me a CRM
	solution)
In-Reply-To: <31DD987D-02D1-423E-ACD6-C04E6A1BFC32@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <000101c64807$8d4a3720$0201010a@royalnexus>
	<31DD987D-02D1-423E-ACD6-C04E6A1BFC32@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6DE65A54-3FDA-44B6-AC70-3475F89E9E6C@canelasoftware.com>


On Mar 15, 2006, at 7:49 AM, Ian Wood wrote:

> Wonderful idea!
>
> Here's a screengrab movie to get things rolling, of an early stage  
> work-in-progress:
> <http://azurevision.co.uk/virtual_museum/room- 
> editor_preview_h264.html>
> 3MB, QT7 required.

Very cool application Ian!  Is this for personal use or do you have a  
customer?


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Wed Mar 15 11:48:59 2006
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:48:59 +0000
Subject: Screenshots of our creations (was: can someone show me a CRM
	solution)
In-Reply-To: <6DE65A54-3FDA-44B6-AC70-3475F89E9E6C@canelasoftware.com>
References: <000101c64807$8d4a3720$0201010a@royalnexus>
	<31DD987D-02D1-423E-ACD6-C04E6A1BFC32@azurevision.co.uk>
	<6DE65A54-3FDA-44B6-AC70-3475F89E9E6C@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <70C87237-01A7-4D9C-90F5-20E06D6CC8D1@azurevision.co.uk>

On 15 Mar 2006, at 16:24, Mark Talluto wrote:

> On Mar 15, 2006, at 7:49 AM, Ian Wood wrote:
>
>> Wonderful idea!
>>
>> Here's a screengrab movie to get things rolling, of an early stage  
>> work-in-progress:
>> <http://azurevision.co.uk/virtual_museum/room- 
>> editor_preview_h264.html>
>> 3MB, QT7 required.
>
> Very cool application Ian!  Is this for personal use or do you have  
> a customer?

Both. :-)

I can't go into huge detail yet as it's being publicly announced in  
May - but it's basically a visual editor for building interactive  
panoramas, and what's shown in the video is just the tip of the  
iceberg...

Here's a screengrab of an older app:
<http://azurevision.co.uk/rev/misc/qtvr2mov-screengrab.jpg>
Turns QTVR panoramas into a video sequence.

Ian


From gbojsza at gmail.com  Wed Mar 15 11:52:51 2006
From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 10:52:51 -0600
Subject: Educational stacks
Message-ID: <3d8af4150603150852kc24ffa9rbe8987f18d4d177@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

I was wondering if anyone has used Revolution in creating

1. A multiple choice quiz stack?

2. A multimedia "training" stack ?

My interest is in the "look and feel" from the user experience and how
self-contained training modules show flow. I have all the content material
for several modules but lack the experience on the educational side in how
best design the courses and test the users.

thanks in advance,

Glen


From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Wed Mar 15 11:58:43 2006
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 10:58:43 -0600
Subject: Button Label on graphic button
In-Reply-To: <B2602199-F32C-4DCC-B874-7EAA4F8EB555@major-k.de>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060314142642.14b440c8@exchange.slg.com>
	<f99b52860603141235o916757co1ea6cf74ce51963e@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060314144849.14c06e10@exchange.slg.com>
	<31e1938c0603141303m4c7294e9re5b644342d1dcc8a@mail.gmail.com>
	<B2602199-F32C-4DCC-B874-7EAA4F8EB555@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060315105522.15b61e28@exchange.slg.com>

How is Bug #1032 Resolved?    I don't see how it is either.

We *could* at the text to the graphic, but what if we need to change the 
button label?   I need to go back to the artist and get new artwork.

At 04:28 PM 3/14/2006, you wrote:
>Hi Jonathan,
>
>>Can you just create an image to use as an Icon that has your
>>picture and
>>text all in the same image?
>
>sure, but that a LOT of work.
>
>Imagine buttons for different languages!
>
>It would be so nice if one could use a nice graphic and just change
>the label
>of the buttons...
>
>See my answer to Peter and my mention of godzilla Nr. 1032...
>
>
>Regards
>
>Klaus Major
>klaus at major-k.de
>http://www.major-k.de

Peter T. Evensen
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588 



From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Mar 15 12:08:32 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:08:32 +0100
Subject: Button Label on graphic button
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20060315105522.15b61e28@exchange.slg.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060314142642.14b440c8@exchange.slg.com>
	<f99b52860603141235o916757co1ea6cf74ce51963e@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060314144849.14c06e10@exchange.slg.com>
	<31e1938c0603141303m4c7294e9re5b644342d1dcc8a@mail.gmail.com>
	<B2602199-F32C-4DCC-B874-7EAA4F8EB555@major-k.de>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060315105522.15b61e28@exchange.slg.com>
Message-ID: <13D31ABA-3428-4053-B490-75CDD7A27089@major-k.de>

Hi Peter,

> How is Bug #1032 Resolved?    I don't see how it is either.

Sometimes they seem to dream a little in broad daylight ;-)

> We *could* at the text to the graphic, but what if we need to  
> change the button label?   I need to go back to the artist and get  
> new artwork.

I just saw that i created a new bugzilla entry with this some time  
ago: 3265

Put some votes on it, if you like...

> Peter T. Evensen
> http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
> 314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Wed Mar 15 12:21:59 2006
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:21:59 -0600
Subject: Button Label on graphic button
In-Reply-To: <13D31ABA-3428-4053-B490-75CDD7A27089@major-k.de>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060314142642.14b440c8@exchange.slg.com>
	<f99b52860603141235o916757co1ea6cf74ce51963e@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060314144849.14c06e10@exchange.slg.com>
	<31e1938c0603141303m4c7294e9re5b644342d1dcc8a@mail.gmail.com>
	<B2602199-F32C-4DCC-B874-7EAA4F8EB555@major-k.de>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060315105522.15b61e28@exchange.slg.com>
	<13D31ABA-3428-4053-B490-75CDD7A27089@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060315112134.15b615f0@exchange.slg.com>

Great!  I just added my votes.   Thanks for adding a new bug report.

I posted a note on the other one, as you probably saw.

At 11:08 AM 3/15/2006, you wrote:
>Hi Peter,
>
>>How is Bug #1032 Resolved?    I don't see how it is either.
>
>Sometimes they seem to dream a little in broad daylight ;-)
>
>>We *could* at the text to the graphic, but what if we need to
>>change the button label?   I need to go back to the artist and get
>>new artwork.
>
>I just saw that i created a new bugzilla entry with this some time
>ago: 3265
>
>Put some votes on it, if you like...
>
>>Peter T. Evensen
>>http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
>>314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588
>
>Regards
>
>Klaus Major
>klaus at major-k.de
>http://www.major-k.de
>
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Peter T. Evensen
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588 



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Wed Mar 15 12:42:34 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 09:42:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Educational stacks
In-Reply-To: <3d8af4150603150852kc24ffa9rbe8987f18d4d177@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603150942100.26278-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Glen,

Can you give me a better idea of what you have and what you want to do?

Judy

On Wed, 15 Mar 2006, Glen Bojsza wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I was wondering if anyone has used Revolution in creating
>
> 1. A multiple choice quiz stack?
>
> 2. A multimedia "training" stack ?
>
> My interest is in the "look and feel" from the user experience and how
> self-contained training modules show flow. I have all the content material
> for several modules but lack the experience on the educational side in how
> best design the courses and test the users.
>
> thanks in advance,
>
> Glen
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From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Wed Mar 15 12:47:10 2006
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:47:10 +0100
Subject: Educational stacks
Message-ID: <4418531E.7000901@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 , "Glen Bojsza" <gbojsza at gmail.com> wrote :

> Hello everyone,
>
> I was wondering if anyone has used Revolution in creating
>
> 1. A multiple choice quiz stack?
>
> 2. A multimedia "training" stack ?
>
> My interest is in the "look and feel" from the user experience and how
> self-contained training modules show flow. I have all the content material
> for several modules but lack the experience on the educational side in how
> best design the courses and test the users.
>
> thanks in advance,
>
> Glen



Hello Glen,

This question comes up in regular intervals. Some hints:

- There are some educational stacks to be found at RevOnline.

- Marielle Lange has set up a special website for educational stacks: 
<http://revolution.widged.com/wiki/tiki-index.php>

- As far as I know, Marty Billingsley  of the Chicago Laboratory School 
(founded by John Dewey at about 1895 as an institution of "Progressive 
Education") persues the work of Dewey using Revolution both for teaching 
and for introducing students to programming
(search the list archives for more information).

- There is a education-revolution list

- I had anwered to a similar post on this list (use-revolution) on Feb 7:

> There are some "educational" stacks on my website 
> <http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia> you could check out:
>
> On page "Tools and Samples for Development"
>
> - "Seminar01" (A stack from 2001: step by step introduction - however 
> in German, but the scripts are of course in English - for different 
> kinds of basic educational software, among them a stepwise development 
> of a simple vocabulary trainer)
>
> - "Multiple-Choice Tutorial" (see also the broader  information for 
> this stack on page "Tutorials")
>
> On page "Sample Stacks"
>
> - "Image and Words"
>
> - "Animals"
>
> - and possibly ""Word Scramble".
>
> On page "Student Samples" there is one stack  "German States" for 
> learning to match the names of the German states and their flags and 
> other exercises. This stack is an exe-file, but may be interesting to 
> inspect because of the pedagogical design.


On page "Projects: Language Suite" you will find some information 
(although still in German) about some language learning stacks. We 
intend to make demo versions available of these stacks in the near future.

Best regards,

Wilhelm Sanke
<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>




From jhonken at x12.info  Wed Mar 15 12:55:23 2006
From: jhonken at x12.info (Jeff Honken)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 10:55:23 -0700
Subject: Auto tab to next field
Message-ID: <000001c64859$a20ce0c0$670fa8c0@work1>

I trying to program an automatic tab to the next field after the user
inputs three characters.  Here's the code I'm using:

on keyDown theKey
  if the number of chars in me >= 3 then
    focus on fld ProvOfficePhone2
    exit keyDown
  else
    pass keyDown
  end if
end keyDown

The above code works but when I hit the fourth character it tabs to the
next field but it loses the character that was typed. i.e. if you type
1234 the 123 goes into my first box and the cursor goes to the next
field but it doesn't input 4 into that field.  Any suggestions?  Jeff  






From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Wed Mar 15 13:01:12 2006
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:01:12 -0500
Subject: Object Library
Message-ID: <9A1B998A-CC0E-4BDE-83AE-DE2AED96B7C1@videotron.ca>

My apologies if I missed this in a previous post, but where's the  
Object library in the new version of Revolution?  When I click on  
Object Library under the Development menu, I get the Library stack  
and an empty field under the Object tab where those nifty objects  
used to be in previous versions.

	Greg


From mark at maseurope.net  Wed Mar 15 13:11:40 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:11:40 +0000
Subject: Auto tab to next field
In-Reply-To: <000001c64859$a20ce0c0$670fa8c0@work1>
References: <000001c64859$a20ce0c0$670fa8c0@work1>
Message-ID: <360B2970-7909-4A24-BF7E-6C0484229AEC@maseurope.net>

Jeff, this should work:

on keyDown theKey
   if the number of chars in me >= 3 then
     put theKey into fld "ProvOfficePhone2"
     focus on fld "ProvOfficePhone2"
     exit keyDown
   else
     pass keyDown
   end if
end keyDown

replace <focus on fld "ProvOfficePhone2"> with
<select after fld "ProvOfficePhone2"> if you want to keep typing in  
the newly focused fld.

Cheers,

Mark

On 15 Mar 2006, at 17:55, Jeff Honken wrote:

> I trying to program an automatic tab to the next field after the user
> inputs three characters.  Here's the code I'm using:
>
> on keyDown theKey
>   if the number of chars in me >= 3 then
>     focus on fld ProvOfficePhone2
>     exit keyDown
>   else
>     pass keyDown
>   end if
> end keyDown
>
> The above code works but when I hit the fourth character it tabs to  
> the
> next field but it loses the character that was typed. i.e. if you type
> 1234 the 123 goes into my first box and the cursor goes to the next
> field but it doesn't input 4 into that field.  Any suggestions?  Jeff
>
>
>
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Mar 15 13:13:54 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 10:13:54 -0800
Subject: can someone show me a CRM solution
In-Reply-To: <20060315160802.4986C8262C4@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060315160802.4986C8262C4@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <44185962.2080401@fourthworld.com>

Scott Kane wrote:
 > It'd be great if more people on the list could show off
 > screenshots of what they've achieved in Rev.

As beneficial as it would be to those of us already using Rev, it would 
seem even more useful to the vendor to post at their web site to inspire 
newcomers.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Mar 15 13:17:45 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 10:17:45 -0800
Subject: [Slightly OT] Amazon's New Storage Plan - Someone Do a Rev
	Interface?
In-Reply-To: <045632CB-82DD-48E4-AC5C-839BB64D6DEB@mac.com>
References: <200603142358.k2ENw1Zu028064@ms-smtp-02.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
	<3f07cc260603141756u25c55bdepc2dedace00f6d0f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<12344666617.20060314213613@ahsoftware.net>
	<045632CB-82DD-48E4-AC5C-839BB64D6DEB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1452362206.20060315101745@ahsoftware.net>

Andre-

Tuesday, March 14, 2006, 9:37:18 PM, you wrote:

> it still required HMAC/SHA1 authentication which I think our current
> implementation of encrypt can't generate...

Yes, but my point was being amazed at finding BitTorrent here...

This is important for a couple of reasons: first of all, it's a cool
mechanism for allowing distributed access to files and still limiting
bandwidth consumption; and secondly because Amazon's support of
BitTorrent adds legitimacy to peer-to-peer distribution and places
them directly in opposition to the MPAA.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From howard.bornstein at gmail.com  Wed Mar 15 13:33:26 2006
From: howard.bornstein at gmail.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:33:26 -0500
Subject: [Slightly OT] Amazon's New Storage Plan - Someone Do a Rev
	Interface?
In-Reply-To: <200603150533.k2F5X35V016365@ms-smtp-02.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
References: <200603150533.k2F5X35V016365@ms-smtp-02.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3f07cc260603151033r5faf962fs544ec00ed803215@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/15/06, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
> Howard-
>
> Tuesday, March 14, 2006, 5:56:33 PM, you wrote:
>
> > http://aws.amazon.com/s3
>
> ...it's got a BitTorrent interface !!!
>
> --
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net

Even though the licensing agreement says: "4) You represent and
warrant that: (i) Your S3 Content does not infringe or violate any
rights of any other person or entity;", I suspect this service may end
up giving the RIAA fits.

Regards,

Howard Bornstein
-----------------------
www.designeq.com


From jhonken at x12.info  Wed Mar 15 13:46:44 2006
From: jhonken at x12.info (Jeff Honken)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:46:44 -0700
Subject: Auto tab to next field
In-Reply-To: <360B2970-7909-4A24-BF7E-6C0484229AEC@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <000001c64860$ce3ca8e0$670fa8c0@work1>


Mark,
  That seemed to work but the next number or the 5th number in the
sequence of 123 45 makes it 123 54.  Why would the cursor jump to the
front of the number instead of in back of it?  Jeff



-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Mark Smith
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 11:12 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Auto tab to next field

Jeff, this should work:

on keyDown theKey
   if the number of chars in me >= 3 then
     put theKey into fld "ProvOfficePhone2"
     focus on fld "ProvOfficePhone2"
     exit keyDown
   else
     pass keyDown
   end if
end keyDown

replace <focus on fld "ProvOfficePhone2"> with
<select after fld "ProvOfficePhone2"> if you want to keep typing in  
the newly focused fld.

Cheers,

Mark

On 15 Mar 2006, at 17:55, Jeff Honken wrote:

> I trying to program an automatic tab to the next field after the user
> inputs three characters.  Here's the code I'm using:
>
> on keyDown theKey
>   if the number of chars in me >= 3 then
>     focus on fld ProvOfficePhone2
>     exit keyDown
>   else
>     pass keyDown
>   end if
> end keyDown
>
> The above code works but when I hit the fourth character it tabs to  
> the
> next field but it loses the character that was typed. i.e. if you type
> 1234 the 123 goes into my first box and the cursor goes to the next
> field but it doesn't input 4 into that field.  Any suggestions?  Jeff
>
>
>
>
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> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Wed Mar 15 13:47:00 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 10:47:00 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <44179C2C.4060304@fourthworld.com>
References: <20060315030531.063AD8260CC@mail.runrev.com>
	<44179C2C.4060304@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603151047x43a3deads85e3d1b465bf4080@mail.gmail.com>

Richard.....

I *certainly* don't disagree with your response, but I'm earnestly seeking a
description of how you'd go about building an app in Rev that is entirely
deliverable via a Web browser, which is, I submit, the definition of a Web
application. I think that was the original point/question. Creating
thin-client Web appliances is amazingly easy with Rev. Creating CGIs that
run on a server -- including back-end database access -- is also feasible,
if somewhat limited in terms of performance (no FCGI support as far as I
know).

If this is possible, I'd sure like to know how to do it.

On 3/14/06, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

But if the goal is to deliver the benefits of productive, flexible
systems, Transcript can prove quite capable in ways that may surprise.



--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author
http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
>From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html


From soapdog at mac.com  Wed Mar 15 13:56:54 2006
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:56:54 -0300
Subject: [Slightly OT] Amazon's New Storage Plan - Someone Do a Rev
	Interface?
In-Reply-To: <1452362206.20060315101745@ahsoftware.net>
References: <200603142358.k2ENw1Zu028064@ms-smtp-02.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
	<3f07cc260603141756u25c55bdepc2dedace00f6d0f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<12344666617.20060314213613@ahsoftware.net>
	<045632CB-82DD-48E4-AC5C-839BB64D6DEB@mac.com>
	<1452362206.20060315101745@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <9BBD4FC5-EA18-4031-92C3-8E4B42ED4602@mac.com>

Mark,

I read the docs, there appear to be no magical/automated interface  
for BT.

What appears to exist is that if you create a public object, which is  
a resource that can be accessed by a URL without authentication, then  
you can run your BT Tracker and use your resource with it. Meaning,  
they don't really support a BitTorrent interface but since they have  
a way to make the objects accessible without authentication, nothing  
will stop you from using BT with it. It is the same as saying Amazon  
S3 supports Runtime Revolution libURL, they don't, what they support  
is a simple HTTP transport without authentication case you need. I  
really thing that bittorrent piece was put there by some marketing guy.

Since S3 is a paid service and you end up paying for the data  
transfer, it would be smart to use BitTorrent to lower your costs...  
but also, if you set up a object that can be used with BT, your  
object can also be retrieved by anyone that knows the URL, and  
depending on what you're hosting, it just needs one post in a forum  
to skyrocket your costs.

if we had HMAC/SHA1 routines, we could build a S3 library in 20  
minutes, it's very easy.

Cheers
andre




On Mar 15, 2006, at 3:17 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Andre-
>
> Tuesday, March 14, 2006, 9:37:18 PM, you wrote:
>
>> it still required HMAC/SHA1 authentication which I think our current
>> implementation of encrypt can't generate...
>
> Yes, but my point was being amazed at finding BitTorrent here...
>
> This is important for a couple of reasons: first of all, it's a cool
> mechanism for allowing distributed access to files and still limiting
> bandwidth consumption; and secondly because Amazon's support of
> BitTorrent adds legitimacy to peer-to-peer distribution and places
> them directly in opposition to the MPAA.
>
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Mar 15 14:00:17 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:00:17 -0800
Subject: Can anyone explain me how to shorten the code I use?
In-Reply-To: <b016f13e0603150451w7d6bdcado@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b016f13e0603150451w7d6bdcado@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1834915087.20060315110017@ahsoftware.net>

William-

Here's my take on it:

local tErrMsg, x, tData, tErrs
local tFld, tBtn
put empty into tErrs
repeat with x=1 to 25
  put "Niveau van leerling" && x && "mag niet leeg zijn!" into tErrMsg
  put "naam" & x into tFld
  put "naam" & x & "nivo" into tBtn
  put field tFld && the selection of button tBtn into tData
  if field tFld is empty then
    if the selectedText of button tBtn is "..." then
      put empty into tData
    else
      --answer error tErrMsg
      put tErrMsg & cr after tErrs
    end if
  else -- field x is not empty
    if the selectedText of button tBtn = "..." then
      --answer error tErrMsg
      put tErrMsg & cr after tErrs
    end if
  end if
end repeat

...but I'm not sure exactly what you want the end result to be. Notice
that what you wrote could result in 25 error dialogs appearing on the
screen, one after another, which could be very annoying. I substituted
the accumulation of errors into a variable which could be checked
after the run:

if tErrs is not empty then
  answer error tErrs
end if

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jhurley at infostations.com  Wed Mar 15 14:03:36 2006
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:03:36 -0800
Subject: ANN: Displacement Scaling of graphic objects
In-Reply-To: <20060315030531.063AD8260CC@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060315030531.063AD8260CC@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p06230910c03dfb99bf59@[10.0.1.2]>

Scaling is a very common feature of all graphics applications, e.g. 
Illustrator and Freehand. But there is another type of scaling that 
is sometimes useful; for lack of a better expression I'll call it 
displacement scaling. (Thanks to a suggestion from Scott Rossi for 
bringing this up.)

As a simple example, consider a rectangle of width w and height h. If 
you magnify this in Illustrator or Freehand by an amount m, you get a 
rectangle with sides m*w and m*h. This  preserves the geometrical 
features of the rectangle. For example the tangent of the angle 
between the diagonal and the base is h/w in both rectangles.

But  suppose you wanted to make a frame by putting two rectangles 
together, one inside the other. You would want all the sides of the 
expanded rectangle to be at a uniform distance, say "d", from the 
original--as in a frame. This expanded rectangle does not preserve 
the geometry. The tangent of the diagonal angle becomes: 
(h+2d)/(w+2d), which is not the same as h/w. In fact, for large 
displacements, the rectangle becomes a square--the tangent approaches 
one. (Similarly, an expanded ellipse approaches a circle.)

The stack "ScaleMe" performs this displacement scaling on all 
polygons. (It also applies to any polygon with sufficient points that 
it approximates a curved figure, for example an ellipse.)

It presents some interesting problems, particularly when the graphic 
points are numerous and close together--as in an ellipse. In this 
case it is necessary to define the points of the graphic, not by Run 
Rev's graphic points (with just 3 significant figures) but with the 
full precision of Run Rev's decimal calculations. The calculated 
graphic points are stored in a custom property of the graphic. The 
points then are stored both as the customary 3 digit graphic points 
for purposes of display and as a decimal (8 displayed , 15 total?) 
digits for purposes of calculation.  (Scott: This eliminates all the 
problems we had with such figures.)

The stack shows how to create some dazzling graphic figures by 
repeatedly scaling a simple form and setting each displaced figure to 
a different color. It also touches on fractal graphics.

In the message box:

go url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/ScaleMe3.rev"


From mark at maseurope.net  Wed Mar 15 14:07:11 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 19:07:11 +0000
Subject: Auto tab to next field
In-Reply-To: <000001c64860$ce3ca8e0$670fa8c0@work1>
References: <000001c64860$ce3ca8e0$670fa8c0@work1>
Message-ID: <6E597490-AFB4-477B-8082-746D0C7E8FD0@maseurope.net>

Jeff, my suggestion below should deal with that....

Cheers,

Mark

On 15 Mar 2006, at 18:46, Jeff Honken wrote:

> replace <focus on fld "ProvOfficePhone2"> with
> <select after fld "ProvOfficePhone2"> if you want to keep typing in
> the newly focused fld.



From jhonken at x12.info  Wed Mar 15 14:17:47 2006
From: jhonken at x12.info (Jeff Honken)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:17:47 -0700
Subject: Auto tab to next field
In-Reply-To: <6E597490-AFB4-477B-8082-746D0C7E8FD0@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <000001c64865$27b507b0$670fa8c0@work1>


Mark,
  Thanks,  That worked great !  Jeff



-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Mark Smith
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 12:07 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Auto tab to next field

Jeff, my suggestion below should deal with that....

Cheers,

Mark

On 15 Mar 2006, at 18:46, Jeff Honken wrote:

> replace <focus on fld "ProvOfficePhone2"> with
> <select after fld "ProvOfficePhone2"> if you want to keep typing in
> the newly focused fld.

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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Mar 15 14:20:18 2006
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:20:18 -0800
Subject: ANN: Displacement Scaling of graphic objects
In-Reply-To: <p06230910c03dfb99bf59@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <C03DA8F2.35B99%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Jim Hurley wrote:

> go url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/ScaleMe3.rev"

Jim -

I only have one word for this: friggin' unbelievably awesome.

What a fantastic stack.  The potential of all this...  The mind reels...

(We must be mentally in tune -- I was just thinking about this problem
yesterday!)

Many many thanks for solving this super-challenge.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From revolution at jaedworks.com  Tue Mar 14 21:47:08 2006
From: revolution at jaedworks.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:47:08 -0800
Subject: Button Label on graphic button
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20060314144849.14c06e10@exchange.slg.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060314142642.14b440c8@exchange.slg.com>
	<f99b52860603141235o916757co1ea6cf74ce51963e@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060314144849.14c06e10@exchange.slg.com>
Message-ID: <p06210233c03d30122682@[66.93.39.98]>

At 2:51 PM -0600 3/14/2006, Peter T. Evensen wrote:
>At 02:35 PM 3/14/2006, Sarah wrote:
>>On 3/15/06, Peter T. Evensen <pevensen at siboneylg.com> wrote:
>>>  Is there any way to get Rev to center a button label on a graphical
>>  > button?   It seems to only want to display it under the icon.
>>>
>>Adjust the margins of the button. Normally the margins is a single
>>number, but it can also be 4 comma-separated numbers, specifiying the
>>left, top, right & bottom margins respectively. Play around with
>>altering these and see if you can get the result you want.

>Actually I already did this.  It "work" per se, but then one winds 
>up with a large empty area around the button that is clickable, 
>which is kind of strange from a UI standpoint.


I'm not sure what you did, if you got a "large empty area around the 
button". You leave the button at the same size - usually just large 
enough to accommodate the icon - then adjust the top and bottom 
margins until both icon and text are centered. (If you just increase 
the bottom margin, the text moves up but so does the icon, so you 
also need to increase the top margin to move the icon back down.)
-- 
jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
http://www.jaedworks.com


From revolution at jaedworks.com  Wed Mar 15 14:21:11 2006
From: revolution at jaedworks.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:21:11 -0800
Subject: The long answer on when to use a function vs command
In-Reply-To: <303B2CB4-DF4A-433F-B8B7-89E7A1F6EBE2@adelphia.net>
References: <1A0956C4-8524-461D-81AE-7450C3FF06D5@adelphia.net>
	<4417B6B0.9080209@comcast.net>
	<303B2CB4-DF4A-433F-B8B7-89E7A1F6EBE2@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <p06210236c03e181de5b2@[66.93.39.98]>

At 10:13 AM -0500 3/15/2006, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>I am curious as to any other unique aspects that could affect a 
>decision on which to use in different situations.
>
>Functions are normally used with a 'put' or 'get' -- Is this true?
>Commands are normally used alone (with/without a parameter) but not 
>usually with a get or put -- Is this true?

Not necessarily. I think an easier way to think of how functions are 
used is to consider that a function can be part of an expression, 
while a command is more of a thing unto itself. Consider:

   put myFunction(this,that,theotherThing) into field "Result"
   if myFunction(this,that) + 1 > 25 then beep
   wait until myFunction(that,theOtherThing) is true

In all these cases, the function call substitutes for a value (a 
number or string), and the line it's on uses that value. This is not 
possible with a command.


>Is one more friendly with a lot of parameters? -- enough params that 
>you would need a switch/case

Not really. You use the parameters in the same way, once you're in 
the custom handler.


>If you have a function to get some info on an object like:
>put getObjInfo("objName") into field "Info"

(I'd probably name it objectInfo, not getObjectInfo. No functional 
need, but I think it reads better that way. "getObjectInfo" reads 
like a command.)


>Would you use a command to set that info like: -- or should this be 
>a function too? -- (ignore the cust prop aspect for now)

Think about it like this: what's the routine's main purpose in life? 
Is it to do something, or to return a value? It sounds like setting 
the object info would mainly exist to do something - set a property, 
perhaps - so it ought to be a command.
-- 
jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
http://www.jaedworks.com


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Wed Mar 15 14:24:52 2006
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 19:24:52 +0000
Subject: The long answer on when to use a function vs command
In-Reply-To: <p06210236c03e181de5b2@[66.93.39.98]>
References: <1A0956C4-8524-461D-81AE-7450C3FF06D5@adelphia.net>
	<4417B6B0.9080209@comcast.net>
	<303B2CB4-DF4A-433F-B8B7-89E7A1F6EBE2@adelphia.net>
	<p06210236c03e181de5b2@[66.93.39.98]>
Message-ID: <5FB8C304-238B-467E-969B-9186077CFEB8@azurevision.co.uk>


On 15 Mar 2006, at 19:21, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote:
>
> Think about it like this: what's the routine's main purpose in  
> life? Is it to do something, or to return a value? It sounds like  
> setting the object info would mainly exist to do something - set a  
> property, perhaps - so it ought to be a command.
> -- 
> jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
> http://www.jaedworks.com

That's pretty much my take on it as well - anything that returns a  
value gets written as a function, anything else as a regular handler.

Ian


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Mar 15 14:43:48 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:43:48 -0800
Subject: [Slightly OT] Amazon's New Storage Plan - Someone Do a Rev
	Interface?
In-Reply-To: <3f07cc260603151033r5faf962fs544ec00ed803215@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200603150533.k2F5X35V016365@ms-smtp-02.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
	<3f07cc260603151033r5faf962fs544ec00ed803215@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87525471.20060315114348@ahsoftware.net>

Howard-

Wednesday, March 15, 2006, 10:33:26 AM, you wrote:

> Even though the licensing agreement says: "4) You represent and
> warrant that: (i) Your S3 Content does not infringe or violate any
> rights of any other person or entity;", I suspect this service may end
> up giving the RIAA fits.

Exactly.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed Mar 15 14:44:46 2006
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:44:46 -0700
Subject: ANN: Displacement Scaling of graphic objects
In-Reply-To: <p06230910c03dfb99bf59@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <20060315030531.063AD8260CC@mail.runrev.com>
	<p06230910c03dfb99bf59@[10.0.1.2]>
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On Mar 15, 2006, at 12:03 PM, Jim Hurley wrote:

> go url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/ScaleMe3.rev"


The creativity and brain power of this group never fails to amaze me.  
Thanks for a way cool stack, Jim.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Mar 15 14:47:21 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:47:21 -0800
Subject: [Slightly OT] Amazon's New Storage Plan - Someone Do a Rev
	Interface?
In-Reply-To: <9BBD4FC5-EA18-4031-92C3-8E4B42ED4602@mac.com>
References: <200603142358.k2ENw1Zu028064@ms-smtp-02.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
	<3f07cc260603141756u25c55bdepc2dedace00f6d0f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<12344666617.20060314213613@ahsoftware.net>
	<045632CB-82DD-48E4-AC5C-839BB64D6DEB@mac.com>
	<1452362206.20060315101745@ahsoftware.net>
	<9BBD4FC5-EA18-4031-92C3-8E4B42ED4602@mac.com>
Message-ID: <47738707.20060315114721@ahsoftware.net>

Andre-

Wednesday, March 15, 2006, 10:56:54 AM, you wrote:

> is a simple HTTP transport without authentication case you need. I
> really thing that bittorrent piece was put there by some marketing guy.

I suspect you're right, but the placement of it early on in the specs
is auspicious. It's roughly equivalent to the legitimacy conferred on
personal computers when IBM entered the market.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Wed Mar 15 14:48:04 2006
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:48:04 -0600
Subject: Button Label on graphic button
In-Reply-To: <p06210233c03d30122682@[66.93.39.98]>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060314142642.14b440c8@exchange.slg.com>
	<f99b52860603141235o916757co1ea6cf74ce51963e@mail.gmail.com>
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I was just setting the margin on the inspector.  I guess you have to 
manually set the top and bottom margins in the message box?  That seems to 
be working better. Thanks!

At 08:47 PM 3/14/2006, you wrote:
>At 2:51 PM -0600 3/14/2006, Peter T. Evensen wrote:
>>At 02:35 PM 3/14/2006, Sarah wrote:
>>>On 3/15/06, Peter T. Evensen <pevensen at siboneylg.com> wrote:
>>>>  Is there any way to get Rev to center a button label on a graphical
>>>  > button?   It seems to only want to display it under the icon.
>>>Adjust the margins of the button. Normally the margins is a single
>>>number, but it can also be 4 comma-separated numbers, specifiying the
>>>left, top, right & bottom margins respectively. Play around with
>>>altering these and see if you can get the result you want.
>
>>Actually I already did this.  It "work" per se, but then one winds up 
>>with a large empty area around the button that is clickable, which is 
>>kind of strange from a UI standpoint.
>
>
>I'm not sure what you did, if you got a "large empty area around the 
>button". You leave the button at the same size - usually just large enough 
>to accommodate the icon - then adjust the top and bottom margins until 
>both icon and text are centered. (If you just increase the bottom margin, 
>the text moves up but so does the icon, so you also need to increase the 
>top margin to move the icon back down.)
>--
>jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
>http://www.jaedworks.com
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Peter T. Evensen
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314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588 



From soapdog at mac.com  Wed Mar 15 14:56:31 2006
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:56:31 -0300
Subject: [Slightly OT] Amazon's New Storage Plan - Someone Do a Rev
	Interface?
In-Reply-To: <47738707.20060315114721@ahsoftware.net>
References: <200603142358.k2ENw1Zu028064@ms-smtp-02.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
	<3f07cc260603141756u25c55bdepc2dedace00f6d0f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<12344666617.20060314213613@ahsoftware.net>
	<045632CB-82DD-48E4-AC5C-839BB64D6DEB@mac.com>
	<1452362206.20060315101745@ahsoftware.net>
	<9BBD4FC5-EA18-4031-92C3-8E4B42ED4602@mac.com>
	<47738707.20060315114721@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <C226FEA1-2FD4-4B50-A77E-11227C0A1A8C@mac.com>

Mark,

yes you are right. Just by acknowledging (heck, I can not spell in  
english) the legal use of BitTorrent it is a great achievement.

I use BT very much for downloading Linux ISOs and for sending BeOS/ 
Zeta test builds back and forth the development team. It is the best  
way to send big files around.

Cheers
andre


On Mar 15, 2006, at 4:47 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Andre-
>
> Wednesday, March 15, 2006, 10:56:54 AM, you wrote:
>
>> is a simple HTTP transport without authentication case you need. I
>> really thing that bittorrent piece was put there by some marketing  
>> guy.
>
> I suspect you're right, but the placement of it early on in the specs
> is auspicious. It's roughly equivalent to the legitimacy conferred on
> personal computers when IBM entered the market.
>
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Mar 15 15:01:05 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:01:05 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <20060315180004.23F3082638F@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060315180004.23F3082638F@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <44187281.9030805@fourthworld.com>

Dan Shafer wrote:

 > On 3/14/06, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
 >
 >> But if the goal is to deliver the benefits of productive,
 >> flexible systems, Transcript can prove quite capable in
 >> ways that may surprise.
 >
 > Richard.....
 >
 > I *certainly* don't disagree with your response, but I'm earnestly
 > seeking a description of how you'd go about building an app in Rev
 > that is entirely deliverable via a Web browser, which is, I submit,
 > the definition of a Web application. I think that was the original
 > point/question. Creating thin-client Web appliances is amazingly
 > easy with Rev. Creating CGIs that run on a server -- including
 > back-end database access -- is also feasible, if somewhat limited
 > in terms of performance (no FCGI support as far as I know).
 >
 > If this is possible, I'd sure like to know how to do it.

A "web application" has at least a web-based interface, and often also 
has a server-side component to it.

There are three viable methods of making an interactive interface in a 
web browser:

a) Java
b) Flash
c) DHTL (recently re-christened "Ajax")

Rev doesn't produce Java or Flash output, so if those are desired you 
would indeed have to go to another tool.

But neither does Ruby.

Nor is Ruby embedded in web browsers.

Web browsers have only one universal language at this time:  JavaScript, 
which is the heart of DHTML/Ajax.

JavaScript is plain uncompiled ASCII text.  It can be 
generated/assembled/sliced/diced by a Rev-based CGI just as assuredly as 
any other language, such as Ruby, can do so.

Rev's merge function is enormously powerful, as are its chunk 
expressions and file handling.  Smartly-designed snippets of JavaScript 
and HTML can be combined and recombined quickly and easily with Transcript.

As for performance, most CGIs are loaded when called.  The exception is 
FastCGI, employing a stay-resident option to minimize load times.  Many 
ISPs preconfigure their Perl installations to use FastCGI, and FastCGI 
is the recommended interface when you install and set up Ruby.  It may 
be possible to use FastCGI with Rev; I'll leave it to the server experts 
here to fill us in on that.

When run as a CGI, the Rev engine loads _much_ faster than it does on 
the desktop, which is pretty darn fast as it is.  As a CGI it doesn't 
need to initialize any of its GUI elements, so the load time on a decent 
server should be roughly on par with any other engine of equivalent size.

It would be helpful is someone here has performance benchmarks on Rev as 
a CGI relative to Perl, Python, Ruby, and other server-side languages.

If FastCGI cannot be used with the Rev engine, then indeed we can expect 
a performance disparity between the Rev engine and the Ruby engine.  But 
"impossible"?  I don't see how.

One of the main bullet points for developing in RoR is the MVC 
implementation, but again that's not exactly new.  Smalltalk had MVC, 
and there are implementations in most OOPs and many non-OOPs as well, 
including a few done in Rev to varying degrees.  While the Rev ones have 
focused on native controls for triggers, one would have to write 
JavaScript triggers for web-based UIs, as they would with any 
browser-based implementation.

Ruby is a fine language, and the "on Rails" framework is well thought 
out and very useful.  But it's not magic; Ruby is just a language, its 
"Rails" just a framework, and I've seen nothing in it that couldn't also 
be done with Perl, Python, Rev, or any other CGI.  There may be 
tradeoffs with runtime performance and development productivity, but I 
see nothing which would discount all web applications as "impossible" to 
do in Rev.


And as you note, Rev does one thing Ruby can't:  compliment the range of 
deliverables with a net-savvy desktop app (think maps.google vs Google 
Earth).  While only useful in a subset of scenarios, it offers many 
benefits, esp. for intranets where employers are losing billions in lost 
productivity by providing open web access to their employees when all 
they really need is access to specific company- and vendor-specific 
resources.  Rev-based net-savvy apps (or "net apps", or "net 
appliances", or "thick clients", or whatever else one might call them) 
are like VPNs for the rest of us.  And, as with Google Earth, there are 
UI benefits to such desktop implementations as well.


All that said, there are two benefits to Ruby:  most of the code you'd 
need is already written, and as open source it's all freely available.

But while Ruby may have some advantages, that doesn't make using other 
languages to generate DHTML interfaces impossible.


Taking this a step further, I'll close with an exercise for the reader:

1. Make a web app development tool in Rev for laying out and generating 
DHTML controls for web pages.

2. Now make the same tool in Ruby.

  ;)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From liamlambert at mac.com  Wed Mar 15 15:07:35 2006
From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 20:07:35 +0000
Subject: add main stack
Message-ID: <06580497-D7BC-4DB0-AD9A-1C132651C920@mac.com>

I have a stack "Booking" which is the main stack,
I want to add a stack "Welcome" which will be the
main stack and the stack "Booking" be a sub stack of welcome
How do I do this
Thanks
Liam Lambert
liamlambert at mac.com
IRELAND




From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Wed Mar 15 15:07:31 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:07:31 -0800
Subject: [OT] Spotlight and Tiger
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20060315134729.08678bd0@exchange.slg.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060314142642.14b440c8@exchange.slg.com>
	<f99b52860603141235o916757co1ea6cf74ce51963e@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060314144849.14c06e10@exchange.slg.com>
	<p06210233c03d30122682@[66.93.39.98]>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060315134729.08678bd0@exchange.slg.com>
Message-ID: <p06230928c03e21e9bd4d@[192.168.1.103]>

Does anyone here know about a way to turn off all Spotlight activity 
and replace it with the the Panther style search?

I really, really HATE Spotlight. I just want to search filenames, not 
the content. In spotlight I get way more hits than I need. I design 
all my filenames to tell me all I need to know.

I also hate the way it anticipates my typing, as it blocks any other 
activity, and if you make a mistake, one is faced with the dreaded 
spinning beachball until it is ready. Finally there are hardly any 
adjustments in its panel to turn any of this behavior off. This thing 
blows so many HUI guidlines it's not funny.

Is anyone else annoyed with this horrible 'feature' of an otherwise great OS?


sqb
-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Wed Mar 15 15:14:47 2006
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 20:14:47 +0000
Subject: add main stack
In-Reply-To: <06580497-D7BC-4DB0-AD9A-1C132651C920@mac.com>
References: <06580497-D7BC-4DB0-AD9A-1C132651C920@mac.com>
Message-ID: <A7F2B6DF-6106-4FB7-9A2E-0C4704EBCC4D@azurevision.co.uk>

1. Open up (or create) the stack "Welcome".
2. Go to the Inspector for stack "Booking" and in the basic  
properties look for the Main Stack menu, choose "Welcome" from it.
3. There is no step 3.

Ian

On 15 Mar 2006, at 20:07, liamlambert wrote:

> I have a stack "Booking" which is the main stack,
> I want to add a stack "Welcome" which will be the
> main stack and the stack "Booking" be a sub stack of welcome
> How do I do this
> Thanks
> Liam Lambert
> liamlambert at mac.com
> IRELAND
>
>
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From soapdog at mac.com  Wed Mar 15 15:27:14 2006
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 17:27:14 -0300
Subject: [OT] Spotlight and Tiger
In-Reply-To: <p06230928c03e21e9bd4d@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060314142642.14b440c8@exchange.slg.com>
	<f99b52860603141235o916757co1ea6cf74ce51963e@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060314144849.14c06e10@exchange.slg.com>
	<p06210233c03d30122682@[66.93.39.98]>
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	<p06230928c03e21e9bd4d@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <424D65D6-9485-4FF4-B00E-443C8BA7F9CB@mac.com>

Stephen,

spotlight is a very powefull feature. The lag you see is that it  
appears that spotlight needs to load its database on first  
interaction, so your first search after boot is always granted with a  
little beach ball, the next ones will be quicker, I promisse (the  
thing should load its database on boot and not on first use I  
think...). If you don't care do use some of MacOS X Unix powers, then  
read on for a little recipe!!!!

-- function that searches spotlight based on filename.
function mdFindFilesbyName pFilename
   put format("mdfind %s | grep -i %s", pFilename, pFilename) into  
tShellCMD
   get shell(tShellCMD)
   return it
end mdFindFilesbyName

This little function will search spotlight for the pattern you said  
was the filename and grep will filter the lines for the filename.  
With mdfind you can do boolean searches like search for something and  
somethingelse and not someotherthing... you can do many cool things  
with mdfind and if you use pipes for grep, tr, awk... you have a  
killer toolkit!!!!

Always Remember, MacOS X is a Unix and Pipes are your Friend! :-D

the mdfind command line tool might be what you're looking for. You  
can build a nice GUI for it in Rev if you want.
a Good resource on mdfind is http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/ 
2006/01/04/mdfind.html

Cheers
andre

PS: I love spotlight, but I'd rather have full blown BFS like queries.


On Mar 15, 2006, at 5:07 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> Does anyone here know about a way to turn off all Spotlight  
> activity and replace it with the the Panther style search?
>
> I really, really HATE Spotlight. I just want to search filenames,  
> not the content. In spotlight I get way more hits than I need. I  
> design all my filenames to tell me all I need to know.
>
> I also hate the way it anticipates my typing, as it blocks any  
> other activity, and if you make a mistake, one is faced with the  
> dreaded spinning beachball until it is ready. Finally there are  
> hardly any adjustments in its panel to turn any of this behavior  
> off. This thing blows so many HUI guidlines it's not funny.
>
> Is anyone else annoyed with this horrible 'feature' of an otherwise  
> great OS?
>
>
> sqb
> -- 
> stephen barncard
> s a n  f r a n c i s c o
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From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Wed Mar 15 15:35:22 2006
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:35:22 -0600
Subject: Thousands Separator on OSX
In-Reply-To: <D3FC7EC3-B36F-11DA-BC04-0030657E1638@pon.net>
References: <36B4BF48-B5F1-42A1-AEF8-027DBE6A5309@upnaway.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060313144629.052ab798@exchange.slg.com>
	<D3FC7EC3-B36F-11DA-BC04-0030657E1638@pon.net>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060315143459.14a57c98@exchange.slg.com>

It is BZ 3392.  Please all cast your votes.

At 09:33 AM 3/14/2006, Rob Cozens wrote:

>Hi Peter,
>
>>To me it seems the Rev engine should give one access to this 
>>setting...  Has someone BZed it?
>
>I totally agree.  There should be a systemNumberFormat function to return 
>decimal character, thousands separator, and currency symbol string and/or 
>a formatNumber function that returns a numeric value formatted as per 
>system preferences.  Especially since every solution posted here is 
>platform-specific.
>
>If you find or log this in BZ, post the # and I'll allocate some votes to it.
>
>
>Rob Cozens
>CCW, Serendipity Software Company

Peter T. Evensen
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588 



From liamlambert at mac.com  Wed Mar 15 15:40:44 2006
From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 20:40:44 +0000
Subject: add main stack
Message-ID: <B4C05BB9-C244-402C-8A53-8C4B70434C5A@mac.com>

That is what I thought but when I try this it does not work
the stacks revert to what they were
I had done this before when I had dreamcard but now I am using studio
Is this a bug
Liam Lambert
liamlambert at mac.com
IRELAND




From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Wed Mar 15 15:44:30 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 06:44:30 +1000
Subject: [OT] Spotlight and Tiger
In-Reply-To: <p06230928c03e21e9bd4d@192.168.1.103>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060314142642.14b440c8@exchange.slg.com>
	<f99b52860603141235o916757co1ea6cf74ce51963e@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060314144849.14c06e10@exchange.slg.com>
	<p06210233c03d30122682@66.93.39.98>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060315134729.08678bd0@exchange.slg.com>
	<p06230928c03e21e9bd4d@192.168.1.103>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603151244v5aec4485r9eeff94d08961e85@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/16/06, Stephen Barncard <stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com> wrote:
> Does anyone here know about a way to turn off all Spotlight activity
> and replace it with the the Panther style search?
>
> I really, really HATE Spotlight. I just want to search filenames, not
> the content. In spotlight I get way more hits than I need. I design
> all my filenames to tell me all I need to know.
>

I've started using PathFinder from CocoaTech <www.cocoatech.com>,
which allows me to do a Spotlight search or to enter a more restricted
set of search conditions e.g. files with names contains "blue", with
the extension "rev", modified within the last week whose size is
greater than 1 MB.

Cheers,
Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Wed Mar 15 15:46:44 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 06:46:44 +1000
Subject: add main stack
In-Reply-To: <B4C05BB9-C244-402C-8A53-8C4B70434C5A@mac.com>
References: <B4C05BB9-C244-402C-8A53-8C4B70434C5A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603151246j524c7c2bn813108d59639f9e6@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/16/06, liamlambert <liamlambert at mac.com> wrote:
> That is what I thought but when I try this it does not work
> the stacks revert to what they were
> I had done this before when I had dreamcard but now I am using studio
> Is this a bug
> Liam Lambert
> liamlambert at mac.com
> IRELAND

Then you need to save, then to get to the stacks, you open up the file
of the new main stack. I've done this many times and never had a
problem with it, but I haven't had to do it yet using Rev 2.7 so maybe
you have found a bug, or maybe the stacks and stackFiles are confusing
you :-)

Cheers,
Sarah


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Wed Mar 15 15:57:07 2006
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 20:57:07 +0000
Subject: [OT] Spotlight and Tiger
In-Reply-To: <p06230928c03e21e9bd4d@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060314142642.14b440c8@exchange.slg.com>
	<f99b52860603141235o916757co1ea6cf74ce51963e@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060314144849.14c06e10@exchange.slg.com>
	<p06210233c03d30122682@[66.93.39.98]>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060315134729.08678bd0@exchange.slg.com>
	<p06230928c03e21e9bd4d@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <B54D4AA0-CB58-47D1-B092-B1069EB25ED1@azurevision.co.uk>

There are three main interfaces to Spotlight - the useful one and the  
other two. ;-P

The only one that's all that useful is the one you get when hitting  
Apple-F in a Finder window, which allows you to restrict searches by -
Name:Contains:
Last Modified:Within:Last Week
Kind:Others:Revolution Stack
etc.

Ian

On 15 Mar 2006, at 20:07, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> Does anyone here know about a way to turn off all Spotlight  
> activity and replace it with the the Panther style search?
>
> I really, really HATE Spotlight. I just want to search filenames,  
> not the content. In spotlight I get way more hits than I need. I  
> design all my filenames to tell me all I need to know.
>
> I also hate the way it anticipates my typing, as it blocks any  
> other activity, and if you make a mistake, one is faced with the  
> dreaded spinning beachball until it is ready. Finally there are  
> hardly any adjustments in its panel to turn any of this behavior  
> off. This thing blows so many HUI guidlines it's not funny.
>
> Is anyone else annoyed with this horrible 'feature' of an otherwise  
> great OS?
>
>
> sqb
> -- 
> stephen barncard
> s a n  f r a n c i s c o
> - - -  - - - - - - - - -
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From liamlambert at mac.com  Wed Mar 15 16:04:10 2006
From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 21:04:10 +0000
Subject: add main stack
Message-ID: <FD64E409-4232-4E9B-B646-B982A36DF75D@mac.com>

Just tried it in dreamcard worked fine not in studio
Liam
On 3/16/06, liamlambert <liamlambert at mac.com> wrote:
 > That is what I thought but when I try this it does not work
 > the stacks revert to what they were
 > I had done this before when I had dreamcard but now I am using studio
 > Is this a bug
 > Liam Lambert
 > liamlambert at mac.com
 > IRELAND

Then you need to save, then to get to the stacks, you open up the file
of the new main stack. I've done this many times and never had a
problem with it, but I haven't had to do it yet using Rev 2.7 so maybe
you have found a bug, or maybe the stacks and stackFiles are confusing
you :-)

Cheers,
Sarah

Liam Lambert
liamlambert at mac.com
IRELAND




From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 15 16:24:05 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:24:05 -0800
Subject: [OT] Spotlight and Tiger
In-Reply-To: <p06230928c03e21e9bd4d@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <C03DC5F5.36241%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Recommendation based only on my experience:

Set folders and drives to 'private' in Spotlight -- no indexing will occur
(esp large data file storage)

Use Path Finder by Cocoa Tech (I went back to ver 3.2.2 since 4.x was buggy
back in December when it was first released.. probably not buggy anymore)

Path Finder - The Find (cmd-F) in Path Finder is plenty fast enough for me,
and will search all selected drives, showing full path names!!! for all
hits.

Path Finder can be launched when needed, run at startup, and coexist with
the Apple Finder just fine.

Path Finder is much slower when moving and trashing lots of files.  I use
the Finder for disk cleanup.

I love some of the features of Path Finder, so I am biased, however, I use
both the Finder and PF all day long.

As always, your smileage may vary.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas
OSX 10.4.2, Path Finder 3.2.2


On 3/15/06 12:07 PM, "Stephen Barncard" <stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com>
wrote:

> Does anyone here know about a way to turn off all Spotlight activity
> and replace it with the the Panther style search?
> 
> I really, really HATE Spotlight. I just want to search filenames, not
> the content. In spotlight I get way more hits than I need. I design
> all my filenames to tell me all I need to know.
> 
> I also hate the way it anticipates my typing, as it blocks any other
> activity, and if you make a mistake, one is faced with the dreaded
> spinning beachball until it is ready. Finally there are hardly any
> adjustments in its panel to turn any of this behavior off. This thing
> blows so many HUI guidlines it's not funny.
> 
> Is anyone else annoyed with this horrible 'feature' of an otherwise great OS?
> 
> 
> sqb




From revolution at jaedworks.com  Wed Mar 15 16:25:11 2006
From: revolution at jaedworks.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:25:11 -0800
Subject: Button Label on graphic button
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20060315134729.08678bd0@exchange.slg.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060314142642.14b440c8@exchange.slg.com>
	<f99b52860603141235o916757co1ea6cf74ce51963e@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060314144849.14c06e10@exchange.slg.com>
	<p06210233c03d30122682@[66.93.39.98]>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060315134729.08678bd0@exchange.slg.com>
Message-ID: <p06210239c03e3642f677@[66.93.39.98]>

At 1:48 PM -0600 3/15/2006, Peter T. Evensen wrote:
>I was just setting the margin on the inspector.  I guess you have to 
>manually set the top and bottom margins in the message box?  That 
>seems to be working better. Thanks!

You can actually do this in the inspector palette, too - the margins 
property accepts either a single number (for all margins) or a list 
of four comma-separated numbers: left, top, right, and bottom. The 
user interface in the inspector doesn't make this obvious at all, but 
you can enter all four into the inspector as well. For example, you 
can enter
   4,20,4,30
to change the top and bottom margins.
-- 
jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
http://www.jaedworks.com


From psahores at easynet.fr  Wed Mar 15 16:32:12 2006
From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:32:12 +0100
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <44179C2C.4060304@fourthworld.com>
References: <20060315030531.063AD8260CC@mail.runrev.com>
	<44179C2C.4060304@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <84797D7D-F774-45F5-BDA5-B9FDBD04F457@easynet.fr>

And as long as MCRev web applications servers have been my best  
incomes sources betwin 1997 and 200x, i just can add that Rev is,  
before J2SE or PHP and behind Ruby on Rails, a real firstclass web  
apps development platform. RoR is probably before Rev in about the  
apps deployment framework and Rev is probably lots before RoR about  
the development langage it self, at least in my humble mind because  
the transcript xtalk structure, because the rev engine, both more  
polished and able to let us design our web apps in less time than in  
building them in Ruby coding.

A public accessible example app : <http://www2.sahores-conseil.com/ 
citalis.xml>

Some design, downloadable material and guildelines : <http:// 
istream.homeunix.com/insead/index_en.html>

:)

Le 15 mars 06 ? 05:46, Richard Gaskin a ?crit :

> Dan Shafer wrote:
>> Web applications in the sense Ruby on Rails defines them cannot be  
>> written
>> in Revolution.
>
> Since that definition requires the Ruby language and that it be on
> "rails", nothing can satisfy it except Ruby on Rails.
>
> :)
>
> But DHTML (or AJAX* as the kids now call it) is just ASCII, and
> Transcript is unusually adept at parsing, concatenating, and merging
> text.  And behind the presentation layer a database is a database, and
> interfacing it is always only as graceful as the self-discipline of  
> the
> developer, regardless of the language.  Frameworks are not a new
> invention, and certainly not unique to RoR.
>
> If the goal is to meet someone else's very specific definition of a
> development paradigm, sure, Transcript may not be able to do  
> exactly that.
>
> But if the goal is to deliver the benefits of productive, flexible  
> systems, Transcript can prove quite capable in ways that may surprise.
>
> Extra bonus points:  With Rev you have the option of moving beyond  
> Web 2.0 as in <http://maps.google.com/>, and moving right up to Web  
> 3.0 a la <http://earth.google.com/>. :)
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal
>  _______________________________________________________
>  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com
>
>
> * I'm so old when I hear "Ajax" I think of <http://en.wikipedia.org/ 
> wiki/Operation_ajax>.
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www.sahores-conseil.com




From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Wed Mar 15 16:51:44 2006
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:51:44 +0100
Subject: Educational stacks
Message-ID: <44188C70.7060102@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

Hello Glen,

You wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I was wondering if anyone has used Revolution in creating
>
> 1. A multiple choice quiz stack?
>
> (snip)



As an addendum to my previous post  three hours ago:

You can find Steve Messimers "Preceptor Tools", which very much rely on 
the "multiple-choice" principle, here :
<ftp://ftp.runrev.com/pub/revolution/downloads/third-party/preceptortools>.

There is also a stack "Multiple Choice Questionnaire" in folder "sample 
projects" of the Revolution distribution. This stack might be 
interesting as an example how specific questions of constructing 
multiple-choice exercises are addressed and programmed, otherwise it is 
very much sub-standard. At best it could serve as a starting point - 
maybe it is intended as such - for developing exercises that are nearer 
to state-of-the-art and state-of-the-discussion standards concerning 
"multiple choice".

As an educational format, multiple-choice is very much disputed and 
discouraged. Very often, multiple-choice exercises do not clearly 
distinguish in their objectives, e.g. are they intended for "teaching", 
"learning", or simply "testing"?

More modern teaching and testing procedures try to minimize the role of 
"multiple-choice". Even the American SAT, which very much relied on 
multiple-choice, is slowly steering away from this format as it adds 
more and more essay and open-ended parts where you actively have to 
produce responses and not only  to recall and choose from preselected 
answers. So does the FCAT, the "Florida Comprehensive Assessment Test", 
which is applied at various grade levels in Florida schools and the main 
threshold you have to pass to get your high-school diploma.

But designing multiple-choice exercises can be a nice programming 
enterprise; this is what I had in mind when I produced my 
multiple-choice tutorial. And, indeed, a carefully designed 
multiple-choice exercise can be useful as a *part* of more comprehensive 
teaching, learning, and testing strategies.

Best regards,

Wilhelm Sanke
<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>







From psahores at easynet.fr  Wed Mar 15 16:55:10 2006
From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:55:10 +0100
Subject: Runtime and Proactive Enter into Strategic Agreement
In-Reply-To: <C03DE09C.2D835%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C03DE09C.2D835%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C9B0BB07-24CC-4E9D-977A-3B23D28FD9A4@easynet.fr>

Congratulations RunRev !

Kind Regards,

Pierre

Le 15 mars 06 ? 16:17, Kevin Miller a ?crit :

> Hi All,
>
> I would like to let you know of some changes at Runtime Revolution  
> Ltd. We
> have historically been based in Scotland since our inception as a  
> company,
> and while we have a super international user community and sales have
> steadily improved over the years, we have been looking at ways to  
> take the
> company to the next level.
>
> Over the last several months, you may have noticed some changes -  
> not the
> least our website!
>
> Runtime Revolution has now partnered with Proactive International
> (http://www.proactive-intl.com) to help us evolve as a business. This
> includes not only nuts-and-bolts of selling into new markets, but also
> worldwide strategic business management. Proactive International  
> has worked
> with a broad spectrum of software companies and products - with  
> significant
> experience in development tools and media applications.
>
> Proactive International is owned by Lynn Fredricks, who you may  
> already be
> familiar with from our various lists. He is also (now) a  
> shareholder in
> Runtime Revolution.
>
> Over the course if this coming year, I believe you will witness  
> some steady
> steps forward from Runtime as a business and Revolution as a product.
> Proactive will be talking a very active role in this, and this will  
> include
> a higher level of involvement of Lynn with the venues in which  
> Runtime works
> with customers. You should not be surprised if he also uses a  
> signature that
> is appropriate to working with Runtime at the executive level.
>
> I hope you will make Lynn and Proactive welcome. I do not want to  
> turn this
> into an extended discussion on the list, so if you would like to ask
> detailed questions I recommend that you email Lynn or myself directly.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Kevin
>
> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
> Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools
>
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www.sahores-conseil.com




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Mar 15 17:12:07 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:12:07 -0600
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <44187281.9030805@fourthworld.com>
References: <20060315180004.23F3082638F@mail.runrev.com>
	<44187281.9030805@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <44189137.4090004@hyperactivesw.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:

> It would be helpful is someone here has performance benchmarks on Rev as 
> a CGI relative to Perl, Python, Ruby, and other server-side languages.

I don't have benchmarks, but Scott Raney once said that the load time of 
the engine when used as a CGI was "insignificant".

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From gbojsza at gmail.com  Wed Mar 15 17:12:40 2006
From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:12:40 -0600
Subject: Educational stacks
In-Reply-To: <44188C70.7060102@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
References: <44188C70.7060102@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <3d8af4150603151412o63cd4eeet72460767702d7d20@mail.gmail.com>

Wilhelm,

Thanks for the information which will take a little digesting.

To answer Judy's question - I am trying to create custome learning modules
that explain very specific telecommunications technology by means of visual
animation and user interaction which needs to be tested for to see if the
key points were understood.

The trick with using multiple choice testing is to word the question and
answers so that the correct solution is not quite obvious.

It would be better to have essay style questions but then support for
correcting and giving feedback becomes an issue.

So for a start I will look at Wilhelm's suggestions and see where it goes.

thanks,

On 3/15/06, Wilhelm Sanke <sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de> wrote:
>
> Hello Glen,
>
> You wrote:
>
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone has used Revolution in creating
> >
> > 1. A multiple choice quiz stack?
> >
> > (snip)
>
>
>
> As an addendum to my previous post  three hours ago:
>
> You can find Steve Messimers "Preceptor Tools", which very much rely on
> the "multiple-choice" principle, here :
> <ftp://ftp.runrev.com/pub/revolution/downloads/third-party/preceptortools
> >.
>
> There is also a stack "Multiple Choice Questionnaire" in folder "sample
> projects" of the Revolution distribution. This stack might be
> interesting as an example how specific questions of constructing
> multiple-choice exercises are addressed and programmed, otherwise it is
> very much sub-standard. At best it could serve as a starting point -
> maybe it is intended as such - for developing exercises that are nearer
> to state-of-the-art and state-of-the-discussion standards concerning
> "multiple choice".
>
> As an educational format, multiple-choice is very much disputed and
> discouraged. Very often, multiple-choice exercises do not clearly
> distinguish in their objectives, e.g. are they intended for "teaching",
> "learning", or simply "testing"?
>
> More modern teaching and testing procedures try to minimize the role of
> "multiple-choice". Even the American SAT, which very much relied on
> multiple-choice, is slowly steering away from this format as it adds
> more and more essay and open-ended parts where you actively have to
> produce responses and not only  to recall and choose from preselected
> answers. So does the FCAT, the "Florida Comprehensive Assessment Test",
> which is applied at various grade levels in Florida schools and the main
> threshold you have to pass to get your high-school diploma.
>
> But designing multiple-choice exercises can be a nice programming
> enterprise; this is what I had in mind when I produced my
> multiple-choice tutorial. And, indeed, a carefully designed
> multiple-choice exercise can be useful as a *part* of more comprehensive
> teaching, learning, and testing strategies.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Wilhelm Sanke
> <http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>
>
>
>
>
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Mar 15 17:15:18 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:15:18 -0600
Subject: ANN: Displacement Scaling of graphic objects
In-Reply-To: <p06230910c03dfb99bf59@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <20060315030531.063AD8260CC@mail.runrev.com>
	<p06230910c03dfb99bf59@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <441891F6.4080104@hyperactivesw.com>

Jim Hurley wrote:

> In the message box:
> 
> go url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/ScaleMe3.rev"

Oh my. To those of us who are math-impaired, this is astounding.

It is also funny you should post this right now, because just two days 
ago I was thinking how I would like to write a fractal generator, only I 
don't have the math to do it. I still don't. But if I did, I bet I could. ;)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Wed Mar 15 17:19:00 2006
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 23:19:00 +0100
Subject: Button Label on graphic button
Message-ID: <441892D4.6090105@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

On Wed Mar 15, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto revolution at jaedworks.com wrote:

(snip)

> For example, you
> can enter
>    4,20,4,30
> to change the top and bottom margins.
> -- 
> jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
> http://www.jaedworks.com



While this indeed puts the name/label of the button on *top* of the icon 
it is an awkward workaround with deficiencies (concerning the clickable 
area of the button).

Another solution would be to set the image/icon as a backpattern of the 
button, but this only is feasable for rectangular images, because the 
transparent parts of non-rectangular images appear as black when used as 
backpatterns.

In a number of (eductional) contexts it is necessary to decide upon the 
name/label of a button at runtime, meaning to produce pre-fabricated 
combinations of images with text would not be a possible solution - for 
example for matching or multiple-choice exercises.

We indeed need, in many cases, a feature where non-rectangular and 
partly transparent icons can be placed directly under the button name.

Regards,

Wilhelm Sanke
<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>




From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Wed Mar 15 17:27:08 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:27:08 -0800
Subject: Placement of Stack on screen?
In-Reply-To: <5FB8C304-238B-467E-969B-9186077CFEB8@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <1A0956C4-8524-461D-81AE-7450C3FF06D5@adelphia.net>	<4417B6B0.9080209@comcast.net>	<303B2CB4-DF4A-433F-B8B7-89E7A1F6EBE2@adelphia.net>	<p06210236c03e181de5b2@[66.93.39.98]>
	<5FB8C304-238B-467E-969B-9186077CFEB8@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <441894BC.2090800@paraboliclogic.com>

Rev 2.6.1

Greetings,

Where and how do I control the placement of my stack on the screen?  I 
want to center my stack the first time the user runs my program, then 
from there on out, it will open where it was last when the user 
previously closed it.

Thanks,
-Garrett


From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Mar 15 17:22:34 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:22:34 -0600
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <44187281.9030805@fourthworld.com>
References: <20060315180004.23F3082638F@mail.runrev.com>
	<44187281.9030805@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <441893AA.3070407@chipp.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:

> All that said, there are two benefits to Ruby:  most of the code you'd 
> need is already written, and as open source it's all freely available.
> 
> But while Ruby may have some advantages, that doesn't make using other 
> languages to generate DHTML interfaces impossible.
> 
> 
> Taking this a step further, I'll close with an exercise for the reader:
> 
> 1. Make a web app development tool in Rev for laying out and generating 
> DHTML controls for web pages.
> 
> 2. Now make the same tool in Ruby.

An interesting side note to all of this is that RonR really doesn't do 
much with DHTML and javascript...they leave that up to the AJAX 
developers. RonR is primarly server oriented, and only provides basic 
html scaffolding as UI. There are a few groups trying to paste AJAX on 
top of Ruby, but it's not that easy (yet).

Dan has first hand info on how easy/hard it is to deploy apps in RonR. 
I'm pretty sure one could right a framework similar to RonR in Rev using 
Rev CGI's but there's always the cgi performace issue. I think Pierre 
Sahores has figured out a way to use a single instance of RevCGI and the 
multiple port capabilites of PHP, though I don't remember the details.

-Chipp




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Mar 15 17:32:11 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:32:11 -0600
Subject: Button Label on graphic button
In-Reply-To: <441892D4.6090105@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
References: <441892D4.6090105@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <441895EB.7060700@hyperactivesw.com>

Wilhelm Sanke wrote:

> We indeed need, in many cases, a feature where non-rectangular and 
> partly transparent icons can be placed directly under the button name.

You can put the name on top by setting margins too. Set the bottom 
margin larger than the top margin, and experiment with different 
amounts. I was just able to do it. The button remains rectangular though.


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From psahores at easynet.fr  Wed Mar 15 17:38:50 2006
From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 23:38:50 +0100
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <441893AA.3070407@chipp.com>
References: <20060315180004.23F3082638F@mail.runrev.com>
	<44187281.9030805@fourthworld.com> <441893AA.3070407@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <E781E122-16E9-4DA6-B374-C5BA23B899AF@easynet.fr>


Le 15 mars 06 ? 23:22, Chipp Walters a ?crit :

> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> All that said, there are two benefits to Ruby:  most of the code  
>> you'd need is already written, and as open source it's all freely  
>> available.
>> But while Ruby may have some advantages, that doesn't make using  
>> other languages to generate DHTML interfaces impossible.
>> Taking this a step further, I'll close with an exercise for the  
>> reader:
>> 1. Make a web app development tool in Rev for laying out and  
>> generating DHTML controls for web pages.
>> 2. Now make the same tool in Ruby.
>
> An interesting side note to all of this is that RonR really doesn't  
> do much with DHTML and javascript...they leave that up to the AJAX  
> developers. RonR is primarly server oriented, and only provides  
> basic html scaffolding as UI. There are a few groups trying to  
> paste AJAX on top of Ruby, but it's not that easy (yet).
>
> Dan has first hand info on how easy/hard it is to deploy apps in  
> RonR. I'm pretty sure one could right a framework similar to RonR  
> in Rev using Rev CGI's but there's always the cgi performace issue.  
> I think Pierre Sahores has figured out a way to use a single  
> instance of RevCGI and the multiple port capabilites of PHP, though  
> I don't remember the details.

<http://istream.homeunix.com/insead/index_en.html>

;)
>
> -Chipp
>
>
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www.sahores-conseil.com




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Mar 15 17:41:28 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:41:28 -0600
Subject: Placement of Stack on screen?
In-Reply-To: <441894BC.2090800@paraboliclogic.com>
References: <1A0956C4-8524-461D-81AE-7450C3FF06D5@adelphia.net>	<4417B6B0.9080209@comcast.net>	<303B2CB4-DF4A-433F-B8B7-89E7A1F6EBE2@adelphia.net>	<p06210236c03e181de5b2@[66.93.39.98]>	<5FB8C304-238B-467E-969B-9186077CFEB8@azurevision.co.uk>
	<441894BC.2090800@paraboliclogic.com>
Message-ID: <44189818.60207@hyperactivesw.com>

Garrett Hylltun wrote:
> Rev 2.6.1
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Where and how do I control the placement of my stack on the screen?  I 
> want to center my stack the first time the user runs my program, then 
> from there on out, it will open where it was last when the user 
> previously closed it.

Initially:

   set the loc of this stack to the screenloc

Then trap the "moveStack" system message and set a custom property:

   on moveStack -- user has moved the window
     set the cStackPos of this stack to the loc of this stack
   end moveStack

And after that:

   set the loc of this stack to the cStackPos of this stack

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From lynn at paradigmasoft.com  Wed Mar 15 17:47:34 2006
From: lynn at paradigmasoft.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:47:34 -0800
Subject: 3rd Annual Revolution Convention Returns to Monterey
Message-ID: <1069659601-190284883@lindbergh.macserve.net>

3rd Annual Revolution Convention Returns to Monterey

Early Bird Discounts End May 1, 2006

March 15, 2006. Monterey, CA. RevCentral and Runtime Revolution Ltd,
announced plans for the largest gathering of Revolution users and developers
to be held in Monterey, California from June 17-18. This marks the third
consecutive year that RevCentral has hosted this event. Runtime Revolution,
Ltd is co-sponsoring the event.

In 2005, Revolutionaries converged on Monterey and enjoyed a two-day
gathering that drew nearly unanimous rave reviews. This year's conference is
expected to double the size of the 2005 event and will include two brand-new
features.

RevCon West 2006 will be held June 16-17 at the Monterey Conference Center.
Confirmed speakers include Trevor DeVore, Richard Gaskin, Ken Ray, Scott
Rossi, Jan Schenkel, Dan Shafer, and Chipp Walters. CEO Kevin Miller and CTO
Mark Waddingham of Runtime Revolution will also attend. The speaker schedule
will be updated over the coming weeks.

"RevCon West 2005 was a delightful and educational experience for anyone
interested in developing rich media projects, network solutions and
cross-platform applications for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X," said Kevin
Miller, CEO of Runtime Revolution, Ltd, "we are looking forward to being a
part of RevCon West 2006 in sunny Monterey."

Every attendee will also receive a free license of Revolution Media, a
feature rich tool for creating interactive media and software utilities.
Right out of the box it includes templates for creating kiosks,
presentations, adventure games, portfolios and more.

A new optional third day event will also be held at the Monterey Conference
Center. That post-conference gathering will feature in-depth technical
discussions of major topics of interest to Revolution developers, a "coding
kitchen" in which attendees will be able to work on their projects with
ready access to several top Revolutionary developers. An advanced technology
brief is also planned.

Also new this year will be a pre-conference tutorial workshop designed for
newcomers to Revolution and Revolution Media. The tutorial will be held on
Wednesday and Thursday, June 14-15, also at the Monterey Conference Center,
The first day will focus on how to design and build Revolution applications
and the second day will be devoted to learning the Revolution scripting
language.

The main conference will kick off with a jazz party Thursday evening,
admission to which is included in the conference fee.

The fee for the main conference June 16-17 is $299 (Early Bird Discount
price of $225 until May 1). The two-day pre-conference tutorial is priced at
$595, with an Early Bird Discount price of $449. The Post-Conference
In-Depth sessions will cost $295, with an Early Bird Discount price of $220.
Conference fees include all sessions, all handout materials, catered lunch
all five days, break snacks all five days, Internet access (T-1 wireless),
the Thursday Night kick-off party, and other conference giveaways. For
complete pricing, travel and sponsorship information, visit the RevConWest
website at http://www.revconwest.com.

About RevCentral

RevCentral publishes the widely read RevCentral Newsletter and acts as a
conduit for third-party Revolution products. The company was founded in 2004
by Monerey-based ShaferMedia and Austin, Texas- based Altuit, Inc. Shafer
Media publishes four books and eBooks about Revolution. Altuit, Inc.,
develop quality developer solutions for Revolution along with its flagship
product, the Web site development and  management system Hemingway. Learn
more about RevCentral at its website at http://www.revcentral.com.

About Runtime Revolution

Founded in 1997, Runtime Revolution focuses on bringing user-centric
software development to all major platforms: Windows, Macintosh, Linux, and
Unix. The company is based in Edinburgh, Scotland. For more information on
Runtime Revolution, please visit the company on the web at
http://www.runrev.com or http://www.tenthumbstypingtutor.com.




From jonathandlynch at gmail.com  Wed Mar 15 17:59:06 2006
From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (Jonathan Lynch)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 17:59:06 -0500
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <441893AA.3070407@chipp.com>
References: <20060315180004.23F3082638F@mail.runrev.com>
	<44187281.9030805@fourthworld.com> <441893AA.3070407@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <31e1938c0603151459s4a8b4f16n24e508ae63758cd8@mail.gmail.com>

Couldn't a person build a Rev app that runs continuously, interpreting
information that comes in a various ports and returning the appropriate html
data as needed?

I mean, Rev can operate as a server. So, as long as you are willing to write
in all html formulating, it should be doable.


From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Mar 15 18:20:14 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 00:20:14 +0100
Subject: Button Label on graphic button
In-Reply-To: <441895EB.7060700@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <441892D4.6090105@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
	<441895EB.7060700@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <BBDFFE99-030F-4431-B02D-0AA3A6B857C1@major-k.de>

Hi Jaqueline,

> Wilhelm Sanke wrote:
>
>> We indeed need, in many cases, a feature where non-rectangular and  
>> partly transparent icons can be placed directly under the button  
>> name.
>
> You can put the name on top by setting margins too. Set the bottom  
> margin larger than the top margin, and experiment with different  
> amounts.

and that is what we do not want to do.

We just want to place the text on top of an icon, without dangerous  
experiments! :-)

> I was just able to do it. The button remains rectangular though.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From psahores at easynet.fr  Wed Mar 15 18:22:00 2006
From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 00:22:00 +0100
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <31e1938c0603151459s4a8b4f16n24e508ae63758cd8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20060315180004.23F3082638F@mail.runrev.com>
	<44187281.9030805@fourthworld.com> <441893AA.3070407@chipp.com>
	<31e1938c0603151459s4a8b4f16n24e508ae63758cd8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <425B1B3B-FB08-4DA7-B091-588A7D615D2D@easynet.fr>

<http://istream.homeunix.com/insead/index_en.html>

;)

Le 15 mars 06 ? 23:59, Jonathan Lynch a ?crit :

> Couldn't a person build a Rev app that runs continuously, interpreting
> information that comes in a various ports and returning the  
> appropriate html
> data as needed?
>
> I mean, Rev can operate as a server. So, as long as you are willing  
> to write
> in all html formulating, it should be doable.
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Wed Mar 15 18:29:00 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:29:00 -0800
Subject: [OT] Major Flood in Kauai - Swami??
In-Reply-To: <425B1B3B-FB08-4DA7-B091-588A7D615D2D@easynet.fr>
References: <20060315180004.23F3082638F@mail.runrev.com>
	<44187281.9030805@fourthworld.com> <441893AA.3070407@chipp.com>
	<31e1938c0603151459s4a8b4f16n24e508ae63758cd8@mail.gmail.com>
	<425B1B3B-FB08-4DA7-B091-588A7D615D2D@easynet.fr>
Message-ID: <p06230931c03e52741e06@[192.168.1.103]>

Our fellow Revolutionary Sivakatirswami lives in Kauai, HI.
I found out today that there was a major dam breach on a river on the 
north shore. I hope you're ok, man.

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/US/03/15/hawaii.dam/index.html

sqb
-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -


From jonathandlynch at gmail.com  Wed Mar 15 18:52:59 2006
From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (Jonathan Lynch)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:52:59 -0500
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <425B1B3B-FB08-4DA7-B091-588A7D615D2D@easynet.fr>
References: <20060315180004.23F3082638F@mail.runrev.com>
	<44187281.9030805@fourthworld.com> <441893AA.3070407@chipp.com>
	<31e1938c0603151459s4a8b4f16n24e508ae63758cd8@mail.gmail.com>
	<425B1B3B-FB08-4DA7-B091-588A7D615D2D@easynet.fr>
Message-ID: <31e1938c0603151552m36f7c710h607cf982ea5200a5@mail.gmail.com>

yeah, that's the idea...

Step three in my development of Task Mage will be to create a client/server
version, with a rev app managing the sharing of the tasks from various
server side Task Mages.


From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Wed Mar 15 20:05:16 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 17:05:16 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <31e1938c0603151552m36f7c710h607cf982ea5200a5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20060315180004.23F3082638F@mail.runrev.com>
	<44187281.9030805@fourthworld.com> <441893AA.3070407@chipp.com>
	<31e1938c0603151459s4a8b4f16n24e508ae63758cd8@mail.gmail.com>
	<425B1B3B-FB08-4DA7-B091-588A7D615D2D@easynet.fr>
	<31e1938c0603151552m36f7c710h607cf982ea5200a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603151705r462ad5fdn9133039773b87824@mail.gmail.com>

With the caveat that I am hardly a Rails expert and certainly have not done
a lot of work with Rev on the server side either, let me see if I can
clarify my earlier point here. I know that what I'm going to say is probably
so trivial to many reading this thread that it will seem like I'm just off
base, but I'm trying to make the issue I see really starkly clear.

With PHP or Ruby on Rails, a Web *app* consists of a collection of 1 or more
templates -- HTML files with embedded command and function calls -- that
execute in a server-side scripting language interpreter running on the
server. All Web pages with this embedded script code are run through the
scripting language interpreter on the server, where the command is carried
out and some content is generated to replace the command call before the
page is sent to the HTTP server to return to the client.

So for example (and I realize this is so simplistic that it may not be
sufficiently illustrative), in a .rhtml (rubified HTML) file, you might find
this construct:

It is now <%= Time.now %>

When this page is called from the client's browser, the Ruby method "now" is
called against the class Time (this is a class method), which returns a
string that replaces everything between the angle brackets in the Web page.
Every time that page is loaded, the method executes and the page is updated.
This is a direct call to the language interpreter, not a CGI execution (at
least that's how I understand this being handled). It is therefore blazingly
fast. We're not calling a script on the server and invoking a command or
function.

Now if I understand things on the Rev side correctly -- and there are a lot
of folks here who know more about this than I do -- the only way to get a
Rev script to run is as a CGI. That means, among other things, that you'd
have to minimally create a text file with a script called "on startup" and
save that script as an executable CGI script. So you'd end up dealing with a
text file, permissions, and an indirect call to the contents of the script
file to accomplish the same thing that one line of embedded Ruby code does
in RoR. Furthermore, the execution of that CGI script would require an event
to be sent via a form button or a JavaScript onLoad() command; it's not just
automatic.

I am NOT suggesting it would be impossible to remedy these issues in Rev.
Nor am I suggesting that the overhead of this processing is so onerous that
using Rev CGI solutions is impractical. All I'm trying to say is that there
is a pretty fundamental difference here between invoking a script language's
command directly and being forced to explicitly call a CGI function that in
turn executs a script command.

Now before you jump in my face again, go back and re-read the caveat at the
beginning of this message. :-)
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author
http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
>From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html


From mlange at lexicall.org  Wed Mar 15 20:22:34 2006
From: mlange at lexicall.org (Marielle Lange)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 01:22:34 +0000
Subject: Making the move...
Message-ID: <EC981AB1-7C4C-4B33-8D5F-D24CE21AB9C7@lexicall.org>

Dan,

Simple: "A method for outputting Java byte-codes equivalent to  
MetaCard scripts has been designed, but implementation has been  
delayed until the serious performance, compatibility, and  
functionality limitations in Java have been rectified."
http://www.metacard.com/pi5.html

Then, you  can have a multiple export format, to java file, java  
applet, standalone for mac windows, linux, exactly the way they do here:
http://www.processing.org/
On top, that's free. Their GUI is limited but that's only version  
Beta. They announce a contribution from http://www.thbbpt.net/ 
interfascia/, to enhance their set of GUI elements. So you can expect  
it to improve in the future. I really invite you to have a try,  
that's a gem.

Alternatively, you can convert hypertalk to javascript: http:// 
lexnet.bravepages.com/HTMLJS.htm

Alternatively, you can convert it to a mix of xml and embedded  
script, compatible with one of these:
http://luxor-xul.sourceforge.net/
http://www.simkin.co.uk/

Or you can write an hypertalk interpreter in java: http:// 
boredgamer.org/HyperJava/. There is another guy with a version a lot  
more advanced than that (no, not freecard), but that's not on the web.

So many possibilities!

Marielle




> Richard.....
>
> I *certainly* don't disagree with your response, but I'm earnestly  
> seeking a
> description of how you'd go about building an app in Rev that is  
> entirely
> deliverable via a Web browser, which is, I submit, the definition  
> of a Web
> application. I think that was the original point/question. Creating
> thin-client Web appliances is amazingly easy with Rev. Creating  
> CGIs that
> run on a server -- including back-end database access -- is also  
> feasible,
> if somewhat limited in terms of performance (no FCGI support as far  
> as I
> know).
>
> If this is possible, I'd sure like to know how to do it.
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
--------
Marielle Lange (PhD),  Psycholinguist

Alternative emails: mlange at blueyonder.co.uk,

Homepage                                                            
http://homepages.widged.com/mlange/
Easy access to lexical databases                    http:// 
lexicall.widged.com/
Supporting Education Technologists              http:// 
revolution.widged.com/wiki/



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Wed Mar 15 20:47:10 2006
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:47:10 +0800
Subject: Not connecting to MySQL 5
In-Reply-To: <4417F860.5060405@harbourhost.co.uk>
References: <f73a98160603150240r5db19a07ve095556c0eafba9@mail.gmail.com>
	<4417F860.5060405@harbourhost.co.uk>
Message-ID: <f73a98160603151747w589d5673w5ccb9c61795e12c6@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/15/06, Martin Baxter <mb.ur at harbourhost.co.uk> wrote:
>
> You need to use a login account whose password is in OLD_PASSWORD
> format. Rev can't do the newer format. See MySQL docs for info in the
> problems and common errors section.



The only thing I could find was the old_password variable, which default
setting was OFF. I set it to ON but it made no difference I still get the:

 "Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server;
consider upgrading MySQL client"

message.

Any further help appreciated.


From mvreade at earthlink.net  Wed Mar 15 20:57:01 2006
From: mvreade at earthlink.net (mvreade at earthlink.net)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 20:57:01 -0500
Subject: Not connecting to MySQL 5
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160603151747w589d5673w5ccb9c61795e12c6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f73a98160603150240r5db19a07ve095556c0eafba9@mail.gmail.com>
	<4417F860.5060405@harbourhost.co.uk>
	<f73a98160603151747w589d5673w5ccb9c61795e12c6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <982C7250-3214-4575-95AD-2CA8A70B6FF2@earthlink.net>

Check this from the MySQL website:

http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/4.1/en/old-client.html

Hope this helps,

Michael Reade

On Mar 15, 2006, at 8:47 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:

> On 3/15/06, Martin Baxter <mb.ur at harbourhost.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> You need to use a login account whose password is in OLD_PASSWORD
>> format. Rev can't do the newer format. See MySQL docs for info in the
>> problems and common errors section.
>
>
>
> The only thing I could find was the old_password variable, which  
> default
> setting was OFF. I set it to ON but it made no difference I still  
> get the:
>
>  "Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server;
> consider upgrading MySQL client"
>
> message.
>
> Any further help appreciated.
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Mar 15 20:58:19 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 19:58:19 -0600
Subject: Not connecting to MySQL 5
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160603151747w589d5673w5ccb9c61795e12c6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f73a98160603150240r5db19a07ve095556c0eafba9@mail.gmail.com>	<4417F860.5060405@harbourhost.co.uk>
	<f73a98160603151747w589d5673w5ccb9c61795e12c6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4418C63B.1040501@hyperactivesw.com>

Kay C Lan wrote:
> On 3/15/06, Martin Baxter <mb.ur at harbourhost.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>>You need to use a login account whose password is in OLD_PASSWORD
>>format. Rev can't do the newer format. See MySQL docs for info in the
>>problems and common errors section.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The only thing I could find was the old_password variable, which default
> setting was OFF. I set it to ON but it made no difference I still get the:
> 
>  "Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server;
> consider upgrading MySQL client"
> 
> message.
> 
> Any further help appreciated.

This thread:

<http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2005-August/064053.html>

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Wed Mar 15 21:51:39 2006
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 02:51:39 +0000
Subject: Faking soft dropshadows
Message-ID: <F02A6134-F364-411A-947A-5563F4A51EF3@azurevision.co.uk>

With the new import/export snapshot abilities in Rev 2.7, it just got  
much easier to do certain kinds of image manipulation, and I finally  
got around to making a stack that will add relatively convincing  
dropshadows to a copy any image, transparent or not.

Basically, it copies flat colour into the image, makes multiple  
copies of it with different opacities and positions, then groups  
everything together so that it can be exported or imported as a new  
image with full transparency.

In the message box:
go url "http://www.azurevision.co.uk/rev/dropshadow_004.rev"

An example output:
<http://www.azurevision.co.uk/rev/dropshadow.png>

You can also change the colour of the dropshadow...

Have fun,

Ian Wood
Panoramic photography, from web to billboard, sunrise to moonrise
http://www.landmarksofbritain.co.uk
http://www.azurevision.co.uk




From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Wed Mar 15 22:57:30 2006
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:57:30 +0800
Subject: Not connecting to MySQL 5
In-Reply-To: <4418C63B.1040501@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <f73a98160603150240r5db19a07ve095556c0eafba9@mail.gmail.com>
	<4417F860.5060405@harbourhost.co.uk>
	<f73a98160603151747w589d5673w5ccb9c61795e12c6@mail.gmail.com>
	<4418C63B.1040501@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160603151957l78749c32h1b6021eea203ab02@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Michael and Jaque the threads pointed me to the other problem I'd
created. As it was a new installation of MySQL I decided it was time to
update a few of the passwords! Martins solution would have worked if I had
not changed the passwords BEFORE I'd set the old_passwords variable.

Everythings back to it's usual rock solid performance. Now I can attend to
the 'reason' this whole process started; discovered 'subqueries' and figured
I could produce some pretty cool results, but I was running 4.0 and needed
to update to take advantage of subqueries:-)


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Wed Mar 15 23:18:43 2006
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:18:43 +0800
Subject: [OT] Spotlight and Tiger
In-Reply-To: <p06230928c03e21e9bd4d@192.168.1.103>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060314142642.14b440c8@exchange.slg.com>
	<f99b52860603141235o916757co1ea6cf74ce51963e@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060314144849.14c06e10@exchange.slg.com>
	<p06210233c03d30122682@66.93.39.98>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060315134729.08678bd0@exchange.slg.com>
	<p06230928c03e21e9bd4d@192.168.1.103>
Message-ID: <f73a98160603152018i2dfeed30n63e4773e72b921a4@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/16/06, Stephen Barncard <stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com> wrote:
>
>
> Is anyone else annoyed with this horrible 'feature' of an otherwise great
> OS?


You miss the most annoying feature of all. Spotlight is invariably WRONG. I
fail to find folders or files which blantanly exist. The number of times I
typed in the exact file/folder name and spotlight fails to find it is mind
boggling. It has nothing to do with permissions because I check. I can find
the file next to the one that is 'spotlight-shy' or find files/folders
inside the folder that is 'spotlight-shy'. I 'reset' permissions (because
they are no different) to the file/folder's neighbour, but it makes no
difference.

I've used FileBuddy for years and was thinking that it was becoming less and
less useful - little did I know.


From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Thu Mar 16 00:16:37 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 21:16:37 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <EC981AB1-7C4C-4B33-8D5F-D24CE21AB9C7@lexicall.org>
References: <EC981AB1-7C4C-4B33-8D5F-D24CE21AB9C7@lexicall.org>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603152116r38df1affj44de9f557b503f94@mail.gmail.com>

Marielle....

Wow. Thanks for all those cool pointers. I had no idea!


On 3/15/06, Marielle Lange <mlange at lexicall.org> wrote:
>
> Dan,
>
> Simple: "A method for outputting Java byte-codes equivalent to
> MetaCard scripts has been designed, but implementation has been
> delayed until the serious performance, compatibility, and
> functionality limitations in Java have been rectified."
> http://www.metacard.com/pi5.html
>
> Then, you  can have a multiple export format, to java file, java
> applet, standalone for mac windows, linux, exactly the way they do here:
> http://www.processing.org/
> On top, that's free. Their GUI is limited but that's only version
> Beta. They announce a contribution from http://www.thbbpt.net/
> interfascia/, to enhance their set of GUI elements. So you can expect
> it to improve in the future. I really invite you to have a try,
> that's a gem.
>
> Alternatively, you can convert hypertalk to javascript: http://
> lexnet.bravepages.com/HTMLJS.htm
>
> Alternatively, you can convert it to a mix of xml and embedded
> script, compatible with one of these:
> http://luxor-xul.sourceforge.net/
> http://www.simkin.co.uk/
>
> Or you can write an hypertalk interpreter in java: http://
> boredgamer.org/HyperJava/. There is another guy with a version a lot
> more advanced than that (no, not freecard), but that's not on the web.
>
> So many possibilities!
>
> Marielle
>
>
>
>
> > Richard.....
> >
> > I *certainly* don't disagree with your response, but I'm earnestly
> > seeking a
> > description of how you'd go about building an app in Rev that is
> > entirely
> > deliverable via a Web browser, which is, I submit, the definition
> > of a Web
> > application. I think that was the original point/question. Creating
> > thin-client Web appliances is amazingly easy with Rev. Creating
> > CGIs that
> > run on a server -- including back-end database access -- is also
> > feasible,
> > if somewhat limited in terms of performance (no FCGI support as far
> > as I
> > know).
> >
> > If this is possible, I'd sure like to know how to do it.
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------
> Marielle Lange (PhD),  Psycholinguist
>
> Alternative emails: mlange at blueyonder.co.uk,
>
> Homepage
> http://homepages.widged.com/mlange/
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> lexicall.widged.com/
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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Thu Mar 16 00:42:34 2006
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 00:42:34 -0500
Subject: [OT] Spotlight and Tiger
In-Reply-To: <B54D4AA0-CB58-47D1-B092-B1069EB25ED1@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060314142642.14b440c8@exchange.slg.com>
	<f99b52860603141235o916757co1ea6cf74ce51963e@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060314144849.14c06e10@exchange.slg.com>
	<p06210233c03d30122682@[66.93.39.98]>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060315134729.08678bd0@exchange.slg.com>
	<p06230928c03e21e9bd4d@[192.168.1.103]>
	<B54D4AA0-CB58-47D1-B092-B1069EB25ED1@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <AD0D18FE-1950-4AEC-8CDB-B48C24BB0C35@adelphia.net>

I have HATED spotlight until this very second.........


Ian, thank you. I can now look for just the damn name AND just one  
that I touched this past week.

AWESOME....

Tom

On Mar 15, 2006, at 3:57 PM, Ian Wood wrote:

> There are three main interfaces to Spotlight - the useful one and  
> the other two. ;-P
>
> The only one that's all that useful is the one you get when hitting  
> Apple-F in a Finder window, which allows you to restrict searches by -
> Name:Contains:
> Last Modified:Within:Last Week
> Kind:Others:Revolution Stack
> etc.
>
> Ian
>
> On 15 Mar 2006, at 20:07, Stephen Barncard wrote:
>
>> Does anyone here know about a way to turn off all Spotlight  
>> activity and replace it with the the Panther style search?
>>
>> I really, really HATE Spotlight. I just want to search filenames,  
>> not the content. In spotlight I get way more hits than I need. I  
>> design all my filenames to tell me all I need to know.
>>
>> I also hate the way it anticipates my typing, as it blocks any  
>> other activity, and if you make a mistake, one is faced with the  
>> dreaded spinning beachball until it is ready. Finally there are  
>> hardly any adjustments in its panel to turn any of this behavior  
>> off. This thing blows so many HUI guidlines it's not funny.
>>
>> Is anyone else annoyed with this horrible 'feature' of an  
>> otherwise great OS?
>>
>>
>> sqb
>> -- 

Thomas J McGrath III
3mcgrath at adelphia.net

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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Thu Mar 16 01:09:37 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:09:37 -0800
Subject: [OT] Spotlight and Tiger
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160603152018i2dfeed30n63e4773e72b921a4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060314142642.14b440c8@exchange.slg.com>
	<f99b52860603141235o916757co1ea6cf74ce51963e@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060314144849.14c06e10@exchange.slg.com>
	<p06210233c03d30122682@66.93.39.98>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060315134729.08678bd0@exchange.slg.com>
	<p06230928c03e21e9bd4d@192.168.1.103>
	<f73a98160603152018i2dfeed30n63e4773e72b921a4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p0623093bc03ea27adfa2@[192.168.1.103]>

so I took Andre's suggestion and build a little simple file search 
stack, using the Shell and a little Applescript.

Double clicking one of the returned lines will reveal the enclosing folder.
Just a dumb file search right now, and only works on the boot drive...

But I've already used it 6 times today...even limited as it is, I 
like it a lot better than spotlight!!

thanks Andre...

now I'll share it with those that want it:

run this in the message box...

go URL "http://barncard.com/search.rev"


>On 3/16/06, Stephen Barncard <stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>  Is anyone else annoyed with this horrible 'feature' of an otherwise great
>>  OS?
>
>
>You miss the most annoying feature of all. Spotlight is invariably WRONG. I
>fail to find folders or files which blantanly exist. The number of times I

-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -

From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Mar 16 03:33:15 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 02:33:15 -0600
Subject: Faking soft dropshadows
In-Reply-To: <F02A6134-F364-411A-947A-5563F4A51EF3@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <F02A6134-F364-411A-947A-5563F4A51EF3@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <441922CB.3020102@chipp.com>

I get:

No Such Card.

Perhaps you should check the URL?


> In the message box:
> go url "http://www.azurevision.co.uk/rev/dropshadow_004.rev"



From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Mar 16 03:34:56 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 02:34:56 -0600
Subject: Faking soft dropshadows
In-Reply-To: <F02A6134-F364-411A-947A-5563F4A51EF3@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <F02A6134-F364-411A-947A-5563F4A51EF3@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <44192330.8090102@chipp.com>

Never mind, I was using Rev 2.6 not 2.7 and because the file format 
changed, rev couldn't recognize your stack.

Thanks, looks nice!

-Chipp




From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Mar 16 03:42:06 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 02:42:06 -0600
Subject: [OT] Spotlight and Tiger
In-Reply-To: <p0623093bc03ea27adfa2@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060314142642.14b440c8@exchange.slg.com>	<f99b52860603141235o916757co1ea6cf74ce51963e@mail.gmail.com>	<6.2.1.2.2.20060314144849.14c06e10@exchange.slg.com>	<p06210233c03d30122682@66.93.39.98>	<6.2.1.2.2.20060315134729.08678bd0@exchange.slg.com>	<p06230928c03e21e9bd4d@192.168.1.103>	<f73a98160603152018i2dfeed30n63e4773e72b921a4@mail.gmail.com>
	<p0623093bc03ea27adfa2@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <441924DE.7090603@chipp.com>

There's an excellent Spotlight tutorial DVD by Rick Ligas at
http://www.discoveryourmac.com/

Just in case anyone's interested.

-Chipp



From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Thu Mar 16 04:05:24 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 01:05:24 -0800
Subject: [OT] Spotlight and Tiger
In-Reply-To: <441924DE.7090603@chipp.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060314142642.14b440c8@exchange.slg.com>
	<f99b52860603141235o916757co1ea6cf74ce51963e@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060314144849.14c06e10@exchange.slg.com>
	<p06210233c03d30122682@66.93.39.98>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060315134729.08678bd0@exchange.slg.com>
	<p06230928c03e21e9bd4d@192.168.1.103>
	<f73a98160603152018i2dfeed30n63e4773e72b921a4@mail.gmail.com>
	<p0623093bc03ea27adfa2@[192.168.1.103]> <441924DE.7090603@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <p0623093ec03ed81e71dc@[192.168.1.103]>

Which costs about the same as than a copy of Path Finder!

>There's an excellent Spotlight tutorial DVD by Rick Ligas at
>http://www.discoveryourmac.com/
>
>Just in case anyone's interested.
>
>-Chipp

-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Thu Mar 16 04:23:19 2006
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:23:19 +0000
Subject: [OT] Spotlight and Tiger
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160603152018i2dfeed30n63e4773e72b921a4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060314142642.14b440c8@exchange.slg.com>
	<f99b52860603141235o916757co1ea6cf74ce51963e@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060314144849.14c06e10@exchange.slg.com>
	<p06210233c03d30122682@66.93.39.98>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060315134729.08678bd0@exchange.slg.com>
	<p06230928c03e21e9bd4d@192.168.1.103>
	<f73a98160603152018i2dfeed30n63e4773e72b921a4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B79FC873-E746-4AF2-B42D-02D7FD212041@azurevision.co.uk>


On 16 Mar 2006, at 04:18, Kay C Lan wrote:

> On 3/16/06, Stephen Barncard <stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com> wrote:
>>
>> Is anyone else annoyed with this horrible 'feature' of an  
>> otherwise great
>> OS?
>
> You miss the most annoying feature of all. Spotlight is invariably  
> WRONG. I
> fail to find folders or files which blantanly exist. The number of  
> times I
> typed in the exact file/folder name and spotlight fails to find it  
> is mind
> boggling. It has nothing to do with permissions because I check.

Sounds like the database files have got seriously corrupted somehow.  
If you are happy in the terminal have a look at the two following  
pages, which have some instructions and experiences with renewing the  
database:
<http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php? 
story=20050424201429961&query=spotlight>
<http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/8300945231/m/ 
963005047731>

Edit - an easier way - go to the privacy tab in the Spotlight  
preference pane, drag all your partitions in, then remove them again.  
Note that the rebuild may take several hours...

Ian


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Thu Mar 16 07:20:37 2006
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:20:37 +0800
Subject: [OT] Spotlight and Tiger
In-Reply-To: <B79FC873-E746-4AF2-B42D-02D7FD212041@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060314142642.14b440c8@exchange.slg.com>
	<f99b52860603141235o916757co1ea6cf74ce51963e@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060314144849.14c06e10@exchange.slg.com>
	<p06210233c03d30122682@66.93.39.98>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060315134729.08678bd0@exchange.slg.com>
	<p06230928c03e21e9bd4d@192.168.1.103>
	<f73a98160603152018i2dfeed30n63e4773e72b921a4@mail.gmail.com>
	<B79FC873-E746-4AF2-B42D-02D7FD212041@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <f73a98160603160420v6705dd2fqdce3767896741231@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/16/06, Ian Wood <revlist at azurevision.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Sounds like the database files have got seriously corrupted somehow.
> <snip links>


Thanks for the links about rebuilding the database.

Note that the rebuild may take several hours...


Hmmmm. I think I might leave it until next time I have to watch paint dry:-)
FileBuddy gives me case sensitive searches and allows me to restrict the
search to 3 folders on 2 HDs. Gets the right file/folder every time in a
couple of seconds.

Then again, is the spotlight db only used by spotlight or is a corrupt db
likely to effect other things? Why can FileBuddy find the file and not
spotlight, I assume they use the same db?

Thanks


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Thu Mar 16 07:26:22 2006
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:26:22 +0000
Subject: [OT] Spotlight and Tiger
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160603160420v6705dd2fqdce3767896741231@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060314142642.14b440c8@exchange.slg.com>
	<f99b52860603141235o916757co1ea6cf74ce51963e@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060314144849.14c06e10@exchange.slg.com>
	<p06210233c03d30122682@66.93.39.98>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060315134729.08678bd0@exchange.slg.com>
	<p06230928c03e21e9bd4d@192.168.1.103>
	<f73a98160603152018i2dfeed30n63e4773e72b921a4@mail.gmail.com>
	<B79FC873-E746-4AF2-B42D-02D7FD212041@azurevision.co.uk>
	<f73a98160603160420v6705dd2fqdce3767896741231@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0F6A3226-BB56-447A-90FA-9FCA5797C346@azurevision.co.uk>


On 16 Mar 2006, at 12:20, Kay C Lan wrote:

> Then again, is the spotlight db only used by spotlight or is a  
> corrupt db
> likely to effect other things? Why can FileBuddy find the file and not
> spotlight, I assume they use the same db?

Offhand, I can't think of anything else it would affect, other than  
searches within Mail. Never used FileBuddy, so couldn't answer that one.

Ian


From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Thu Mar 16 07:33:11 2006
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9.Bisseret?=)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:33:11 +0100
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Printing_fields_with_images_included_by_=AB_set_t?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?he_imageSource_of_such_char_=BB?=
Message-ID: <07E7BF8F-B4E9-11DA-A147-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>

Hi !
On each card of an App. I have differents texts ; some are including 
images that are put there by means of one char on a line (ex. : ?,?,??) 
whose imageSource is set to an image number (the images are in a 
special substack).
I want the user be able to print the text of this fld.

My first method is the following :
I created a hidden field (in the main stack), say field ? toPrint ? in 
which I am composing (from several fields in a card) and formating the 
text to print.
The core of it is :
put fld ? theText ? into fld ? toPrint ?
set the HTMLText of fld ? toPrint ? to the HTMLText of fld ?theText ?.

Then I print with
revShowPrintDialog false,true
put tab & "Page " & "<%pageNumber%>"  into footer
   revPrintText (the htmlText of fld "toPrint"),,footer

That works very well on Mac, The field ? toPrint ? is printed exactly 
as I want, including printing the images nicely.

But testers got problems with Windows (mainly, repetitions of part of 
the text on new pages).

So I am trying another method using a special PrintingStack with two 
fields, one, say, the ? bufferField ? the other the fldToPrint : 
filling in the second while emptying the first, line after line (thanks 
to the explanations I founded in the SmartEBook on Printing by Dan 
Schafer).

.Mainly :
repeat until the formattedHeight of fld "fldToPrint" of cd cardNum >= 
gPrintHeight
     set the htmlText of line lineToAdd of fld "fldToPrint"\
     to the htmlText of line 1 of fld "bufferField" of cd 1
     delete line 1 of fld "bufferField" of cd 1

All works well if there is no image.

When there is an image, the image appears normally.
BUT  it is followed by an incredible mess (a lot of chars such as 
squares, apples, and so on) which could take several pages if it was 
not  remaining on the same card where the image appears.
Then the normal text is following, normally on another created card.

Is it possible to manage to avoid such a mess ?
Thanks a lot in advance for any suggestion

Best regards from Grenoble
Andr?




From Stgoldberg at aol.com  Thu Mar 16 07:37:46 2006
From: Stgoldberg at aol.com (Stgoldberg at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:37:46 EST
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 30, Issue 36
Message-ID: <26c.7986652.314ab61a@aol.com>


In a message dated 3/15/06 12:34:17 PM, Glen Bojsza wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone has used Revolution in creating
> 1. A multiple choice quiz stack?
> 2. A multimedia "training" stack ?
> My interest is in the "look and feel" from the user experience and how
> self-contained training modules show flow. I have all the content material
> for several modules but lack the experience on the educational side in how
> best design the courses and test the users.
> 
I am presently converting all the educational CDs produced by MedMaster 
(www.medmaster.net) from their original format (mTropolis) to Revolution. 
mTropolis, a very useful program which is now essentially defunct in view of its 
incompatibility with the new Intel Macs, enabled rapid development of educational 
materials.   However, I am finding by comparison that Revolution   is better, 
allowing much more rapid development   in view of its powerful scripting 
language. The key is to first decide   what kind of format you want in the 
educational program, which may differ depending on the educational level of the students 
and the topic of the course. It would first help to explore existing 
educational programs in your field of interest, whether or not they are in 
computerized or written format.   Once you have decided on what you want to accomplish, 
the likelihood is that you will be able to do it in Revolution. I'll be happy 
to send you a sample of one or more of the programs I've done. These include:

1.   Neurologic localization - a program designed to instantly point 
graphically to the areas of the nervous system involved in neurologic deficits.   
Teaches the user how to make diagnoses. Contains a laboratory course in 
neuroanatomy. (No quiz questions)
2.   Ophthalmology atlas - teaches ophthalmic examination, including an atlas 
of ophthalmologic diseases (no scoring)
3.   Radiology atlas of ophthalmologic diseases - quizzes the student on 
radiologic images (no scoring)
4.   Cardiology - teaches heart sounds, EKGs, x-rays, echocardiography, along 
with a series of quiz questions (no scoring)
4.   Review for the Medical Board exams - I'm working on several Board exams. 
Each CD   includes 1000+ questions, with scoring.   
Frankly, I'm amazed at the relative ease of doing this in Revolution.   One 
of the really nice things about Revolution is the ease of connecting from the 
CD program to   Internet sites, which should prove increasingly important in 
future educational programs.

I've taught medical students for 25 years, which may involve a different 
educational approach than other audiences.   So the audience and the subject may 
influence the design.
Stephen Goldberg, MD
President, MedMaster Inc
stgoldberg at aol.com
www.medmaster.net




From Stgoldberg at aol.com  Thu Mar 16 07:39:06 2006
From: Stgoldberg at aol.com (Stgoldberg at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:39:06 EST
Subject: Educational stacks
Message-ID: <280.768d2b1.314ab66a@aol.com>

 In a message dated 3/15/06 12:34:17 PM, Glen Bojsza wrote:

> I was wondering if anyone has used Revolution in creating
> 1. A multiple choice quiz stack?
> 2. A multimedia "training" stack ?
> My interest is in the "look and feel" from the user experience and how
> self-contained training modules show flow. I have all the content material
> for several modules but lack the experience on the educational side in how
> best design the courses and test the users.
> 
> 
I am presently converting all the educational CDs produced by MedMaster 
(www.medmaster.net) from their original format (mTropolis) to Revolution. 
mTropolis, a very useful program which is now essentially defunct in view of its 
incompatibility with the new Intel Macs, enabled rapid development of educational 
materials.? However, I am finding by comparison that Revolution? is better, 
allowing much more rapid development? in view of its powerful scripting language. 
The key is to first decide? what kind of format you want in the educational 
program, which may differ depending on the educational level of the students and 
the topic of the course. It would first help to explore existing educational 
programs in your field of interest, whether or not they are in computerized or 
written format.? Once you have decided on what you want to accomplish, the 
likelihood is that you will be able to do it in Revolution. I'll be happy to 
send you a sample of one or more of the programs I've done. These include:

1.? Neurologic localization - a program designed to instantly point 
graphically to the areas of the nervous system involved in neurologic deficits.? 
Teaches the user how to make diagnoses. Contains a laboratory course in 
neuroanatomy. (No quiz questions)
2.? Ophthalmology atlas - teaches ophthalmic examination, including an atlas 
of ophthalmologic diseases (no scoring)
3.? Radiology atlas of ophthalmologic diseases - quizzes the student on 
radiologic images (no scoring)
4.? Cardiology - teaches heart sounds, EKGs, x-rays, echocardiography, along 
with a series of quiz questions (no scoring)
4.? Review for the Medical Board exams - I'm working on several Board exams. 
Each CD? includes 1000+ questions, with scoring.?
Frankly, I'm amazed at the relative ease of doing this in Revolution.? One of 
the really nice things about Revolution is the ease of connecting from the CD 
program to? Internet sites, which should prove increasingly important in 
future educational programs.

I've taught medical students for 25 years, which may involve a different 
educational approach than other audiences.? So the audience and the subject may 
influence the design.
Stephen Goldberg, MD
President, MedMaster Inc
stgoldberg at aol.com
www.medmaster.net


From livfoss at mac.com  Thu Mar 16 08:24:21 2006
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:24:21 +0100
Subject: How does 'Create Folder' give its result?
Message-ID: <2C4F9855-3C77-40A9-92AE-83423BECEA36@mac.com>

I have a path in a variable say myPath, and I execute

create folder myPath

sometimes the folder can't be created (if the directory is protected  
etc) and if I execute the above in the message box in these  
circumstances, I see the text

   can't create that directory

But if I do this by script, this text doesn't seem to be in 'the  
result' or in 'it' (which appears to contain 'OK' even if the create  
hasn't worked), so where is this text - ? The 2.7.0 docs (dictionary  
and PDF) are silent on the matter. As 'create' is not a function, I  
don't see any other way for it to return a value.

Clearly I can produce a workaround by checking if the folder exists  
immediately after trying to create it, but how does 'create' show its  
result"?

TIA

Graham
----------------------------------------
Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France



From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Thu Mar 16 08:35:27 2006
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:35:27 +0100
Subject: Positioning the Message Box ?
Message-ID: <e12a13c34d7d927210fa4244e842cb6f@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Paris,

I like to display information in the message box (an old Hypercard
habit !) during execution of some of my routines (Print, etc.). So I
thought I would control the position and size of the box to sit it under
my stack window. When I execute the command :

set the rect of window  "message box"   to 394,681,802,826

in the message box, it changes position and size to my requirements,
but when I put it into my script :

show message box
set the rect of window  "message box"   to 394,681,802,826

nothing happens. It sits in the standard place with the standard
size.

Am I doing something wrong, or is is the command not acceptable ?

-Francis

"Nothing should ever be done for the first time"

From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Mar 16 08:59:29 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:59:29 -0600
Subject: Faking soft dropshadows
In-Reply-To: <F02A6134-F364-411A-947A-5563F4A51EF3@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C03ECB61.37CC8%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/15/06 8:51 PM, "Ian Wood" <revlist at azurevision.co.uk> wrote:

> With the new import/export snapshot abilities in Rev 2.7, it just got
> much easier to do certain kinds of image manipulation, and I finally
> got around to making a stack that will add relatively convincing
> dropshadows to a copy any image, transparent or not.

Very nice, Ian! And quite fast as well...

Well done!

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From jhurley at infostations.com  Thu Mar 16 09:43:36 2006
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 06:43:36 -0800
Subject: ANN: Displacement Scaling of graphic objects
In-Reply-To: <20060315211440.ACF48826409@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060315211440.ACF48826409@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p06230904c03f21d3e622@[10.0.1.2]>

>
>Jim Hurley wrote:
>
>>  In the message box:
>>
>>  go url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/ScaleMe3.rev"
>
>Oh my. To those of us who are math-impaired, this is astounding.
>
>It is also funny you should post this right now, because just two days
>ago I was thinking how I would like to write a fractal generator, only I
>don't have the math to do it. I still don't. But if I did, I bet I could. ;)
>
>--
>Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>


Thanks to all for your kind words. We all bring special backgrounds 
to this tool which we share. Personally, I never got over the joy I 
found in my high school geometry class.

But I too am astounded by all the rest of you, with your sockets, and 
your cgi, and your HMAC/SHA1, and all the  rest of the mysteries of 
programming.

But Jacque, I know you can do fractals with your math tied behind 
your back. The beauty of Turtle Graphics is that all the analytical 
stuff is done for you. The rest is a little geometry using such 
commands as: Forward, Back, Right, Left, to handle the local 
geometry, and setXY, incXY to deal with the coordinate stuff. It is 
amazing what you can do with this tool. There are books, written by 
MIT math professors, using TG to do special relativity.

To do the snowflake all the geometry you need is to recognize that:

on drawSide L
forward L
left 60
forward L
right 120
forward L
left 60
forward L
end drawSide

will draw a four segment line with a angular (60 degree) bump in the middle.

The hard part, at least it's hard for me, is to recognize that the 
recursive version of this is:

on drawSide L
   if L > 3 then --Three is a measure  of the  smallest fractal 
segment to be considered.
     divide L by 3 -- Or whatever
     drawSide L
     left 60
     drawSide L
     right 120
     drawSide L
     left 60
     drawSide L
   else
     forward  L
   end if
end drawSide

And that takes a while to see. You would probably be better at that 
than I am. My mind doesn't work recursively.

The "stopTurtle"  stack is an interpreter I wrote in Transcript to 
implement  TG. To check it out,  in the msg box, run:

go url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/StopTurtles.rev"

It includes a TG dictionary and a few examples.

Jim

From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Thu Mar 16 09:56:27 2006
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:56:27 +0100
Subject: Positioning the Message Box ?
Message-ID: <4167e2f54e13e2a9de140cb5f066e356@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Paris,

I have an update on my own question. When I position the
message  box,

show message box
set the rect of window  "message box"   to 394,681,802,826

it goes to the right place. But when I display any data in it, it
RETURNS to its original position (It happens so quickly
during my script execution, that it was hard to see !).

So now my question is reformulated. Can I freeze
the message box so that it doesn't move ?

-Francis

"Nothing should ever be done for the first time"

From rcozens at pon.net  Thu Mar 16 10:55:07 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:55:07 -0800
Subject: How does 'Create Folder' give its result?
In-Reply-To: <2C4F9855-3C77-40A9-92AE-83423BECEA36@mac.com>
References: <2C4F9855-3C77-40A9-92AE-83423BECEA36@mac.com>
Message-ID: <3DEA0B63-B505-11DA-8D54-0030657E1638@pon.net>


Hi Graham,

> As 'create' is not a function, I don't see any other way for it to 
> return a value.

Commands can return a value in "the result."

	create folder myPath
	get the result
	if it is not empty then
		beep
		answer error it
	end if

While not pertinent in this context, commands & functions can also 
return values via referenced parameters:

	function validDate theDate, at theDay, at theMonth, at theYear
		.... --parse theDate for validity
		if itsADate then
			convert theDate to dateItems
			put item 1 of theDate into theYear
			put item 2 of theDate into theMonth
			put item 3 of theDate into theDay
			return true
		end if
		return false
	end validDate

	on dateElements theDateItems, at theDay, at theMonth, at theYear
			put item 1 of theDateItems into theYear
			put item 2 of theDateItems into theMonth
			put item 3 of theDateItems into theDay
	end dateElements

In both the function and the command the values of the variables passed 
in the last three parameters are updated in the calling handler.

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Mar 16 11:58:54 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 08:58:54 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <EC981AB1-7C4C-4B33-8D5F-D24CE21AB9C7@lexicall.org>
References: <EC981AB1-7C4C-4B33-8D5F-D24CE21AB9C7@lexicall.org>
Message-ID: <1753661374.20060316085854@ahsoftware.net>

Marielle-

Wednesday, March 15, 2006, 5:22:34 PM, you wrote:

> Simple: "A method for outputting Java byte-codes equivalent to
> MetaCard scripts has been designed, but implementation has been  
> delayed until the serious performance, compatibility, and  
> functionality limitations in Java have been rectified."
> http://www.metacard.com/pi5.html

Thanks indeed for the links. That one, however, seems to be circa-2003
vaporware.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Mar 16 12:39:54 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:39:54 +0100
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <1753661374.20060316085854@ahsoftware.net>
References: <EC981AB1-7C4C-4B33-8D5F-D24CE21AB9C7@lexicall.org>
	<1753661374.20060316085854@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <2461FA70-EF12-4331-98D7-14CE58088464@major-k.de>

Hi Mark,

> Marielle-
>
> Wednesday, March 15, 2006, 5:22:34 PM, you wrote:
>
>> Simple: "A method for outputting Java byte-codes equivalent to
>> MetaCard scripts has been designed, but implementation has been
>> delayed until the serious performance, compatibility, and
>> functionality limitations in Java have been rectified."
>> http://www.metacard.com/pi5.html
>
> Thanks indeed for the links. That one, however, seems to be circa-2003
> vaporware.

well, Dr. Rainey is not known for airy statements, actually ;-)

> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From rjb at robelko.com  Thu Mar 16 12:47:20 2006
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:47:20 +0100
Subject: Positioning the Message Box ?
In-Reply-To: <4167e2f54e13e2a9de140cb5f066e356@wanadoo.fr>
References: <4167e2f54e13e2a9de140cb5f066e356@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <a06110426c03f5456acf5@[141.89.100.174]>

>Hi from Paris,
>
>I have an update on my own question. When I position the
>message  box,
>
>show message box
>set the rect of window  "message box"   to 394,681,802,826
>
>it goes to the right place. But when I display any data in it, it
>RETURNS to its original position (It happens so quickly
>during my script execution, that it was hard to see !).
>
>So now my question is reformulated. Can I freeze
>the message box so that it doesn't move ?
>
>-Francis
>

Since Revolution, unlike Hypercard, offers you substacks, instead of 
fighting message box, create a substack with a single field in it and 
use for your progress. Display. In pseudo code it goes like

set the rect of stack "myprogressdisplay" to 394,681,802,826
modeless stack "myprogressdisplay"
put "my progress info" into fld 1 of stack "myprogressdisplay"
close stack "myprogressdisplay"

Robert


From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Mar 16 12:14:51 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:14:51 -0600
Subject: ANN: Displacement Scaling of graphic objects
In-Reply-To: <p06230904c03f21d3e622@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <20060315211440.ACF48826409@mail.runrev.com>
	<p06230904c03f21d3e622@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <44199D0B.6030906@chipp.com>

Jim Hurley wrote:

> The "stopTurtle"  stack is an interpreter I wrote in Transcript to 
> implement  TG. To check it out,  in the msg box, run:
> 
> go url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/StopTurtles.rev"
> 
> It includes a TG dictionary and a few examples.


OK Jim, now you're just showing off!

Nice work.

-Chipp



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Mar 16 13:13:15 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:13:15 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
Message-ID: <4419AABB.1080508@fourthworld.com>

Dan Shafer wrote:
> With the caveat that I am hardly a Rails expert and certainly have not done
> a lot of work with Rev on the server side either, let me see if I can
> clarify my earlier point here. I know that what I'm going to say is probably
> so trivial to many reading this thread that it will seem like I'm just off
> base, but I'm trying to make the issue I see really starkly clear.

I'm certainly no Ruby/Rails expert either, but I am among those
attracted to the word "impossible". :)  Even though we've moved past
that original point, there may be some interesting things to explore here.

This one got a bit long (from me?  Gosh, when did I ever write a long 
post? <g>), so I added section headers to try to make it an easier read:


PARSING/ASSEMBLING THE CLIENT OUTPUT
------------------------------------

> With PHP or Ruby on Rails, a Web *app* consists of a collection of 1 or more
> templates -- HTML files with embedded command and function calls -- that
> execute in a server-side scripting language interpreter running on the
> server. All Web pages with this embedded script code are run through the
> scripting language interpreter on the server, where the command is carried
> out and some content is generated to replace the command call before the
> page is sent to the HTTP server to return to the client.
> 
> So for example (and I realize this is so simplistic that it may not be
> sufficiently illustrative), in a .rhtml (rubified HTML) file, you might find
> this construct:
> 
> It is now <%= Time.now %>

In Transcript:

   It is now [[the time]]

You run that through the merge function:

   put merge("It is now [[the time]]")

...and you get:

   It is now 4:44 PM

More interesting is that you don't need to use literal expressions with
merge; you can pass it variables as well, with any number of bracketed 
statements, allowing you to make whole pages of snippets which have all 
the smarts of Transcript embedded throughout, processed in a single 
merge() call.

And of course we all know about the other powerful text manipulation
stuff in Transcript like chunk expressions and such, so we can move on
to the bigger question of how we hook the engine into the web
transaction process.


HOOKING REV INTO THE SERVER TRANSACTION
---------------------------------------

Most of the RoR documentation makes reference to FastCGI as the
deployment mechanism for Ruby, and recommends using a specialized server 
app, WEBrick, for testing locally before deployment.  It seems Rev has 
both of these covered.

If I read Pierre's article at 
<http://istream.homeunix.com/insead/index_en.html> correctly, it seems 
we can use Rev as a daemon (at least on Linux), providing a 
stay-resident option just as one would do with other engines like Perl, 
Python, etc.

I would imagine one could also set up Apache to use Rev for server-side 
includes, using settings similar to what's used for Ruby or PHP.

Because the interest in using Ruby on web servers is relatively recent,
I can't imagine there's anything in the server configuration that
couldn't also be done with Rev (or Python or PHP other popular engines).
In both cases you need to install the engine and set up the server so it
knows what to do with it.

There may be some reason that Rev can't be used with FastCGI per se, but 
given that it will run as a daemon on Linux offhand I don't know what 
that could be.  If anyone here knows it would be interesting to find 
out, and even more interesting to find out if you've been able to use 
Rev with FastCGI successfully.



PROS AND CONS OF REV AND RUBY
-----------------------------

Beyond the configuration, there are two main differences between a Rev
and a Ruby solution:  OOP and Rails.

The first is the age-old procedural vs. OOP argument.  There are
benefits both ways, and I dare not suggest we need to answer that big
abstract question here. :)

Where Ruby really shines is in Rails:  there's a lot of code there,
well-crafted code.  You'd have to write that yourself to get to the same
level of development productivity with Rev.

But consider this about the origins of Ruby:

     Matz's primary design consideration is to make programmers
     happy by reducing the menial work they must do, following
     the principles of good user interface design. He stresses
     that systems design needs to emphasize human, rather than
     computer, needs.
     <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_programming_language>

Sound like another language we know?  :)

Personally, I think the only reasons we're reading about Ruby on Rails
rather than Revolution on Rails are that both Ruby and Rails are open 
source, and there is no similar framework for Rev. While Rev isn't 
inherently OOP as Ruby is, it has its own favorable tradeoffs which make 
it quite attractive in its own right.



FRAMEWORKS AND DEPLOYMENT OPTIONS
---------------------------------

So what if someone took that much time to craft a web app framework in
Transcript?


I'm reminded of Andre's presentation at the first RevCon West and later
that year at the Euro RevCon in Malta:  web applications driven by Rev
on the server.

Andre took the whole stay-resident paradigm one step further, 
implementing a WEBrick-like server built with Rev. While there are no 
doubt drawbacks to using Rev instead of Apache for heavy-load 
deployments, there are some upsides for more modest uses: it's small, 
reasonably efficient, and much, much simpler to set up than Apache + 
Ruby + GEMS + Rails + whatever else is needed to make RoR run.

Andre's system started with mchttpd.mc, a stack Scott Raney put together
to show off the engine's socket support with a surprisingly small set of
scripts that act as a web server.  It can be downloaded here:

<ftp://ftp.metacard.com/MetaCard/mchttpd.zip>

It's no Apache nor is it meant to be, but it does show off the engine's
capabilities in a practical solution for specialized uses, such as an
extranet for remote workgroups.

For larger loads it might be beneficial to use Apache, set up to use Rev
as is commonly done for Ruby (I'd sure love to see benchmarks if
anyone's set up both).  But for a good many intranet and extranet uses a 
Rev-based server has some merits.

Andre took Dr. Raney's modest example and expanded it greatly, setting
up a number of applications in a modular way so that he could just write 
a small stack when he needs another app, drop it on the server, and it's 
available when called by name in the URL (Andre, did I recall that 
correctly?).

And if memory serves, he even used directory names as part of the
program's logic, similar to how RoR uses them.

Maybe we could entice Andre to write an article for revJournal outlining
this?  Something like "Andre on Rails" would be great to read.


> I am NOT suggesting it would be impossible to remedy these issues in Rev.
> Nor am I suggesting that the overhead of this processing is so onerous that
> using Rev CGI solutions is impractical. All I'm trying to say is that there
> is a pretty fundamental difference here between invoking a script language's
> command directly and being forced to explicitly call a CGI function that in
> turn executs a script command.
> 
> Now before you jump in my face again, go back and re-read the caveat at the
> beginning of this message. :-)

Please accept my apologies if it seemed I was jumping in your face.
Sometimes my enthusiasm for the language is stronger than the clarity of
my writing.

My intention was simply to encourage the readers here to consider
comparisons of goals rather than implementations, in hopes that it might
inspire more Andre-quality solutions implemented in ways that take
advantage of people's current knowledge and the things Transcript has
going for it.



FUTURE POSSIBILITIES
--------------------

While we wait to see if anyone here has time to try setting up Rev with
FastCGI (we already know it works well as a traditional CGI), I would 
enourage those interested in web apps grab Dr. Raney's mchttpd.mc and 
play with it a while.   It's a thing of beauty to just open the stack, 
click the "Start" button, and call it with your browser.

And then consider this:  If Rev is still free to use as a faceless 
server process (it used to be; not sure if that still applies), there's 
an opportunity to encourage folks to learn Transcript by bundling a 
Transcript framework with it which takes care of the tedious meat of 
such applications, leaving the developer free to focus on the 
domain-specific logic but with the ease of Transcript and a much simpler 
installation than RoR.

And when they find they can make GUI admin tools for just $49 with Rev 
Media it gets even better. :)

The missing link is the killer app made with it.  RoR was virtually 
unheard of before BaseCamp took off, showing the world how powerful and 
flexible RoR is.  If we had an app of similar scope and appeal I have no 
doubt that as long as the engine is free for such uses and the scripts 
are open source it would attract considerable attention.

Ah, the limitless possibilities....

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com




From katir at hindu.org  Thu Mar 16 04:43:05 2006
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 23:43:05 -1000
Subject: [OT] Major Flood in Kauai - Swami??
In-Reply-To: <p06230931c03e52741e06@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <20060315180004.23F3082638F@mail.runrev.com>
	<44187281.9030805@fourthworld.com> <441893AA.3070407@chipp.com>
	<31e1938c0603151459s4a8b4f16n24e508ae63758cd8@mail.gmail.com>
	<425B1B3B-FB08-4DA7-B091-588A7D615D2D@easynet.fr>
	<p06230931c03e52741e06@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <8083994B-4B3B-49A5-90CE-2FCFED93EA3D@hindu.org>

Aloha, yes, we are fine... Thanks for asking. The reservoir that  
broke is about 20 miles north of us. It's been raining for 4-5 days,  
almost none stop, yesterday it rained steadily for 20 out of 24  
hours. We think the storm has  moved on...  Seven people missing..  
several found washed  out to sea... their  home must have been in  
direct path.  But, not to focus only on us... this is happening  
everywhere...in many countries.

Other strange things: The billion dollar new Mariott, when it was  
redone, the engineers decided to build the new hotel on a river bed  
and divert that stream to the ocean through a duct on the side of the  
hotel. Well, guess what, the stream delivered 10 times the duct  
capacity and decided to go for her old path to the ocean:  straight  
through the hotel, in the top floors, down through the  halls, out  
the  lobby, onto the beach and back to Mother! No one hurt, but --  
well, for species homo sapiens --- rather an embarrassing moment of  
incredulous dismay.

Mount Waialeale above us, I can see her daily when I step out from  
our publications office...  is the wettest place on earth. And that's  
with an average rainfall  around 460 inches a year. But, get this: in  
2005 we measured over 1000 inches at the top of the mountain.

Kauai's Hindu Monastery is in a very safe place. We are on higher  
elevation just a few miles inland. But even so, here we are standing  
at an electrical box on the side of a power line pole, it's four feet  
above ground in front of the temple... there is water pouring out of  
it, as if someone had hooked it up to a pump... can't believe our  
eyes, never saw such a thing. the land to the north from our   
property is at a higher elevation, fields, completely saturated and  
the underground electrical system has become a drain pipe for higher  
ground water.

The salinity measurements between the tropical latitudes has spiked,  
so, all that evaporated water..it's got to come down somewhere...  
someone said they had 24 free of snow in the midwest  
somewhere...never happened before in their lifetime.   It's happening  
folks; we were warned... this list is not the place to say more,  
suffice it to say: the show begins.

Sivakatirswami

On Mar 15, 2006, at 1:29 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> Our fellow Revolutionary Sivakatirswami lives in Kauai, HI.
> I found out today that there was a major dam breach on a river on  
> the north shore. I hope you're ok, man.
>
> http://edition.cnn.com/2006/US/03/15/hawaii.dam/index.html
>
> sqb
> -- 
> stephen barncard
> s a n  f r a n c i s c o
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From collabyrinth at sympatico.ca  Thu Mar 16 13:34:43 2006
From: collabyrinth at sympatico.ca (Collabyrinth VPN)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:34:43 -0700
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <4419AABB.1080508@fourthworld.com>
References: <4419AABB.1080508@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4419AFC3.3080406@sympatico.ca>

Forgive the intrusion from a 'lurker', but as I've learned so much from 
you all the last three months, it's time I gave something back.

I'm developing using Ruby on Rails on both Windows XP Pro SP2 & 
(Knoppix) Linux simultaneously.

Rev works just fine with FastCGI. Fwiw, I'd be happy to set up some 
benchmarks and publish the results next week, if it helps.

A brief general comment. I use and modify the Ruby code to handle the 
'unseen' parts, if you will, and Rev to generate what the user sees on 
the websites. I see Rev as complementary to ROR, and it seems to work 
well. A good mix.

Cheers from Canada
Peter Elliott

Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Dan Shafer wrote:
>
>> With the caveat that I am hardly a Rails expert and certainly have 
>> not done
>> a lot of work with Rev on the server side either, let me see if I can
>> clarify my earlier point here. I know that what I'm going to say is 
>> probably
>> so trivial to many reading this thread that it will seem like I'm 
>> just off
>> base, but I'm trying to make the issue I see really starkly clear.
>
>
> I'm certainly no Ruby/Rails expert either, but I am among those
> attracted to the word "impossible". :)  Even though we've moved past
> that original point, there may be some interesting things to explore 
> here.
>
> This one got a bit long (from me?  Gosh, when did I ever write a long 
> post? <g>), so I added section headers to try to make it an easier read:
>
>
> PARSING/ASSEMBLING THE CLIENT OUTPUT
> ------------------------------------
>
>> With PHP or Ruby on Rails, a Web *app* consists of a collection of 1 
>> or more
>> templates -- HTML files with embedded command and function calls -- that
>> execute in a server-side scripting language interpreter running on the
>> server. All Web pages with this embedded script code are run through the
>> scripting language interpreter on the server, where the command is 
>> carried
>> out and some content is generated to replace the command call before the
>> page is sent to the HTTP server to return to the client.
>>
>> So for example (and I realize this is so simplistic that it may not be
>> sufficiently illustrative), in a .rhtml (rubified HTML) file, you 
>> might find
>> this construct:
>>
>> It is now <%= Time.now %>
>
>
> In Transcript:
>
>   It is now [[the time]]
>
> You run that through the merge function:
>
>   put merge("It is now [[the time]]")
>
> ...and you get:
>
>   It is now 4:44 PM
>
> More interesting is that you don't need to use literal expressions with
> merge; you can pass it variables as well, with any number of bracketed 
> statements, allowing you to make whole pages of snippets which have 
> all the smarts of Transcript embedded throughout, processed in a 
> single merge() call.
>
> And of course we all know about the other powerful text manipulation
> stuff in Transcript like chunk expressions and such, so we can move on
> to the bigger question of how we hook the engine into the web
> transaction process.
>
>
> HOOKING REV INTO THE SERVER TRANSACTION
> ---------------------------------------
>
> Most of the RoR documentation makes reference to FastCGI as the
> deployment mechanism for Ruby, and recommends using a specialized 
> server app, WEBrick, for testing locally before deployment.  It seems 
> Rev has both of these covered.
>
> If I read Pierre's article at 
> <http://istream.homeunix.com/insead/index_en.html> correctly, it seems 
> we can use Rev as a daemon (at least on Linux), providing a 
> stay-resident option just as one would do with other engines like 
> Perl, Python, etc.
>
> I would imagine one could also set up Apache to use Rev for 
> server-side includes, using settings similar to what's used for Ruby 
> or PHP.
>
> Because the interest in using Ruby on web servers is relatively recent,
> I can't imagine there's anything in the server configuration that
> couldn't also be done with Rev (or Python or PHP other popular engines).
> In both cases you need to install the engine and set up the server so it
> knows what to do with it.
>
> There may be some reason that Rev can't be used with FastCGI per se, 
> but given that it will run as a daemon on Linux offhand I don't know 
> what that could be.  If anyone here knows it would be interesting to 
> find out, and even more interesting to find out if you've been able to 
> use Rev with FastCGI successfully.
>
>
>
> PROS AND CONS OF REV AND RUBY
> -----------------------------
>
> Beyond the configuration, there are two main differences between a Rev
> and a Ruby solution:  OOP and Rails.
>
> The first is the age-old procedural vs. OOP argument.  There are
> benefits both ways, and I dare not suggest we need to answer that big
> abstract question here. :)
>
> Where Ruby really shines is in Rails:  there's a lot of code there,
> well-crafted code.  You'd have to write that yourself to get to the same
> level of development productivity with Rev.
>
> But consider this about the origins of Ruby:
>
>     Matz's primary design consideration is to make programmers
>     happy by reducing the menial work they must do, following
>     the principles of good user interface design. He stresses
>     that systems design needs to emphasize human, rather than
>     computer, needs.
>     <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_programming_language>
>
> Sound like another language we know?  :)
>
> Personally, I think the only reasons we're reading about Ruby on Rails
> rather than Revolution on Rails are that both Ruby and Rails are open 
> source, and there is no similar framework for Rev. While Rev isn't 
> inherently OOP as Ruby is, it has its own favorable tradeoffs which 
> make it quite attractive in its own right.
>
>
>
> FRAMEWORKS AND DEPLOYMENT OPTIONS
> ---------------------------------
>
> So what if someone took that much time to craft a web app framework in
> Transcript?
>
>
> I'm reminded of Andre's presentation at the first RevCon West and later
> that year at the Euro RevCon in Malta:  web applications driven by Rev
> on the server.
>
> Andre took the whole stay-resident paradigm one step further, 
> implementing a WEBrick-like server built with Rev. While there are no 
> doubt drawbacks to using Rev instead of Apache for heavy-load 
> deployments, there are some upsides for more modest uses: it's small, 
> reasonably efficient, and much, much simpler to set up than Apache + 
> Ruby + GEMS + Rails + whatever else is needed to make RoR run.
>
> Andre's system started with mchttpd.mc, a stack Scott Raney put together
> to show off the engine's socket support with a surprisingly small set of
> scripts that act as a web server.  It can be downloaded here:
>
> <ftp://ftp.metacard.com/MetaCard/mchttpd.zip>
>
> It's no Apache nor is it meant to be, but it does show off the engine's
> capabilities in a practical solution for specialized uses, such as an
> extranet for remote workgroups.
>
> For larger loads it might be beneficial to use Apache, set up to use Rev
> as is commonly done for Ruby (I'd sure love to see benchmarks if
> anyone's set up both).  But for a good many intranet and extranet uses 
> a Rev-based server has some merits.
>
> Andre took Dr. Raney's modest example and expanded it greatly, setting
> up a number of applications in a modular way so that he could just 
> write a small stack when he needs another app, drop it on the server, 
> and it's available when called by name in the URL (Andre, did I recall 
> that correctly?).
>
> And if memory serves, he even used directory names as part of the
> program's logic, similar to how RoR uses them.
>
> Maybe we could entice Andre to write an article for revJournal outlining
> this?  Something like "Andre on Rails" would be great to read.
>
>
>> I am NOT suggesting it would be impossible to remedy these issues in 
>> Rev.
>> Nor am I suggesting that the overhead of this processing is so 
>> onerous that
>> using Rev CGI solutions is impractical. All I'm trying to say is that 
>> there
>> is a pretty fundamental difference here between invoking a script 
>> language's
>> command directly and being forced to explicitly call a CGI function 
>> that in
>> turn executs a script command.
>>
>> Now before you jump in my face again, go back and re-read the caveat 
>> at the
>> beginning of this message. :-)
>
>
> Please accept my apologies if it seemed I was jumping in your face.
> Sometimes my enthusiasm for the language is stronger than the clarity of
> my writing.
>
> My intention was simply to encourage the readers here to consider
> comparisons of goals rather than implementations, in hopes that it might
> inspire more Andre-quality solutions implemented in ways that take
> advantage of people's current knowledge and the things Transcript has
> going for it.
>
>
>
> FUTURE POSSIBILITIES
> --------------------
>
> While we wait to see if anyone here has time to try setting up Rev with
> FastCGI (we already know it works well as a traditional CGI), I would 
> enourage those interested in web apps grab Dr. Raney's mchttpd.mc and 
> play with it a while.   It's a thing of beauty to just open the stack, 
> click the "Start" button, and call it with your browser.
>
> And then consider this:  If Rev is still free to use as a faceless 
> server process (it used to be; not sure if that still applies), 
> there's an opportunity to encourage folks to learn Transcript by 
> bundling a Transcript framework with it which takes care of the 
> tedious meat of such applications, leaving the developer free to focus 
> on the domain-specific logic but with the ease of Transcript and a 
> much simpler installation than RoR.
>
> And when they find they can make GUI admin tools for just $49 with Rev 
> Media it gets even better. :)
>
> The missing link is the killer app made with it.  RoR was virtually 
> unheard of before BaseCamp took off, showing the world how powerful 
> and flexible RoR is.  If we had an app of similar scope and appeal I 
> have no doubt that as long as the engine is free for such uses and the 
> scripts are open source it would attract considerable attention.
>
> Ah, the limitless possibilities....
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal
>  _______________________________________________________
>  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com
>
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Mar 16 14:02:03 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:02:03 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
Message-ID: <4419B62B.6000607@fourthworld.com>

Peter Elliott wrote:

> Rev works just fine with FastCGI. Fwiw, I'd be happy to set up
> some  benchmarks and publish the results next week, if it helps.

That would be enormously helpful.  Thank you!

If you come to RevCon West in June or Euro RevCon in November I'll buy 
the beverage of your choice at one of the get-togethers.  It's the least 
I could do for such helpful information as the benchmarks.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Mar 16 14:21:49 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:21:49 -0800
Subject: How does 'Create Folder' give its result?
Message-ID: <4419BACD.1080803@fourthworld.com>

Graham Samuel wrote:

> I have a path in a variable say myPath, and I execute
> 
> create folder myPath
> 
> sometimes the folder can't be created (if the directory is protected  
> etc) and if I execute the above in the message box in these  
> circumstances, I see the text
> 
>    can't create that directory
> 
> But if I do this by script, this text doesn't seem to be in 'the  
> result' or in 'it' (which appears to contain 'OK' even if the create  
> hasn't worked), so where is this text - ? The 2.7.0 docs (dictionary  
> and PDF) are silent on the matter. As 'create' is not a function, I  
> don't see any other way for it to return a value.
> 
> Clearly I can produce a workaround by checking if the folder exists  
> immediately after trying to create it, but how does 'create' show its  
> result"?

That's the easy part, "the result":

    create folder myPath
    if the result is not empty then
      answer the result
      exit to top
    end if

The hard part is determining exactly what went wrong.  When a file or 
folder creation error happens, in most cases all the result says is 
"can't create file" or "can't create folder" with no further 
explanation.  How do you advise your users?

The trick is the sysError function, which queries the OS to obtain the 
specific error code associated with the failure.  So you could do 
something like:

    create folder myPath
    if the result is not empty then
      answer the result &" (" sysError() &")"
      exit to top
    end if

That'll give you a specific error code:

    can't create directory (43)

That at least allows your users to give you an error code number when 
they call your tech support line, but I'm a big fan of reducing those 
calls altogether when I can, and that means finding out the meaning of 
all the OS error codes for each supported platform, and building in a 
lookup table to present more meaningful info to the user.

A while back I posted a request for pointers to those codes:
<http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2006-February/076890.html>

I've turned up some, but I have too many for Win32 and very few for OS 
X.  While I winnow the Win list down to a manageable subset of common 
culprits, if someone out there has a link to OS X error codes I'd 
certainly appreciate it, and show that appreciation with a modest 
library to make those lookups.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu Mar 16 14:54:15 2006
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:54:15 -0800
Subject: How does 'Create Folder' give its result?
In-Reply-To: <4419BACD.1080803@fourthworld.com>
References: <4419BACD.1080803@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <E41FEABA-D683-4043-8A35-DF2066D4E9D2@mangomultimedia.com>

On Mar 16, 2006, at 11:21 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
> I've turned up some, but I have too many for Win32 and very few for  
> OS X.  While I winnow the Win list down to a manageable subset of  
> common culprits, if someone out there has a link to OS X error  
> codes I'd certainly appreciate it, and show that appreciation with  
> a modest library to make those lookups.

I always start my searches for error codes on Mac here:

<http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/lenzo/html/mac_errors.html>

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems - www.bluemangolearning.com
trevor at bluemangolearning.com




From collabyrinth at sympatico.ca  Thu Mar 16 15:02:51 2006
From: collabyrinth at sympatico.ca (Collabyrinth VPN)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:02:51 -0700
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <4419B62B.6000607@fourthworld.com>
References: <4419B62B.6000607@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4419C46B.4090601@sympatico.ca>

Richard

Thank you for the kind invitation! Given that I'm writing these server 
programs in aid of a certain well-known 12 Step program's online 
activities, and that it's doubtful I'll be at either event, more's the 
pity, please be advised you can Fed-Ex any kind of high-test 
caffiene-laden product (Saigon Dark beans, por ejemplo ...) to my 
office, anytime.

All kidding aside, and now that I've de-lurked, of all the mailing lists 
and digest I receive, I find this one of the most fertile & stimulating. 
I thank you all for that.

I think I can safely commit to delivering benchmarks by Wednesday of 
next week and will be happy to do so.

Peter Elliott

Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Peter Elliott wrote:
>
>> Rev works just fine with FastCGI. Fwiw, I'd be happy to set up
>> some  benchmarks and publish the results next week, if it helps.
>
>
> That would be enormously helpful.  Thank you!
>
> If you come to RevCon West in June or Euro RevCon in November I'll buy 
> the beverage of your choice at one of the get-togethers.  It's the 
> least I could do for such helpful information as the benchmarks.
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal
>  _______________________________________________________
>  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com
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> subscription preferences:
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From list at dreamscapesoftware.com  Thu Mar 16 15:06:42 2006
From: list at dreamscapesoftware.com (dreamscapesoftware.com - List)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:06:42 -0500
Subject: Revolution 2.6.1 and 2.7 on osX86
Message-ID: <200603162006.k2GK6g3b019808@valuworld.com>

Does Revolution 2.6.1 and 2.7 function on a Intel Mac?  Reason I ask is because I tried the osx86 thing and got it to work, but Revolution won't load.  The icon bounces once and then nothing.  Any ideas?

-- Derek





From Camm29 at tesco.net  Thu Mar 16 15:14:15 2006
From: Camm29 at tesco.net (Camm29)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:14:15 -0000
Subject: to many mails
References: <20060315005624.33602.qmail@web31311.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c64936$7ff593a0$0a01a8c0@mobile1>

Read your subscription info !
It explains why you get mails , always read the small print !
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To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 12:56 AM
Subject: to many mails


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From livfoss at mac.com  Thu Mar 16 15:17:41 2006
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:17:41 +0100
Subject: How does 'Create Folder' give its result?
Message-ID: <69FECFDF-DDD1-40AF-AA50-8E2CA7EAEBDC@mac.com>

On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 at 07:55:07 -0800,  Rob Cozens <rcozens at pon.net>  
wrote:
>
> Hi Graham,
>
>
>> As 'create' is not a function, I don't see any other way for it to
>> return a value.
>>
>
> Commands can return a value in "the result."
>
> 	create folder myPath
> 	get the result
> 	if it is not empty then
> 		beep
> 		answer error it
> 	end if
>
> While not pertinent in this context, commands & functions can also
> return values via referenced parameters:

[snip]

Thanks for the reply, but my point is that the 'create folder'  
function doesn't appear to me to return anything in 'the result' when  
an error occurs: 'the result' just goes on being empty - but the  
command does apparently generate an error text because I can see it  
in the message box. So I still want to know where this text is put -  
the docs don't say **anything** about what happens if this command  
encounters an error. I just hope someone knows...

Of course it could be a bug in RR 2.7.0, but to show this we'd have  
to know what the expected behaviour really is. BTW I've  only seen  
this on Windows up to now.

Graham


----------------------------------------
Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 16 15:29:47 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:29:47 -0800
Subject: How does 'Create Folder' give its result?
In-Reply-To: <69FECFDF-DDD1-40AF-AA50-8E2CA7EAEBDC@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C03F0ABB.36326%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

> Thanks for the reply, but my point is that the 'create folder'
> function doesn't appear to me to return anything in 'the result' when
> an error occurs: 'the result' just goes on being empty - but the
> command does apparently generate an error text because I can see it
> in the message box. So I still want to know where this text is put -
> the docs don't say **anything** about what happens if this command
> encounters an error. I just hope someone knows...
> 
> Of course it could be a bug in RR 2.7.0, but to show this we'd have
> to know what the expected behaviour really is. BTW I've  only seen
> this on Windows up to now.
> 
> Graham
> 
Try this snippet and see what you get

 create folder "cde:/illegal:name/"
  get the result
  if it is not empty then
    beep
    put it
    answer error it -->"can't create that directory"
  end if


Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 3/16/06 12:17 PM, "Graham Samuel" <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 at 07:55:07 -0800,  Rob Cozens <rcozens at pon.net>
> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Graham,
>> 
>> 
>>> As 'create' is not a function, I don't see any other way for it to
>>> return a value.
>>> 
>> 
>> Commands can return a value in "the result."
>> 
>> create folder myPath
>> get the result
>> if it is not empty then
>> beep
>> answer error it
>> end if
>> 
>> While not pertinent in this context, commands & functions can also
>> return values via referenced parameters:
> 
> [snip]
> 

> ----------------------------------------
> Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France
> 
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Mar 16 15:33:18 2006
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:33:18 -0800
Subject: [ANN] tm|color and tm|gradient Updates
Message-ID: <C03F0B8E.35DB3%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Greetings List:

We're happy to announce some minor updates to tm|color and tm|gradient
plugins for Revolution 2.6.x.

- tm|color, our non-modal color chooser, now supports marker colors (fill
and line) and includes a few bug fixes.

- The radial fill option in tm|gradient, a gradient building tool, now
supports an offset angle which allows you to create more realistic looking
sphere objects, and the stack includes some small bug fixes.

As an example of what can be done with the plugins, we've created a stack
which contains 59 shaded 3D object images, all created using tm|gradient and
tm|color.  The objects are completely FREE to use in your own stacks, but
you'll need tm|color and tm|gradient to colorize the objects in Revolution.
  http://www.tactilemedia.com/tmtools/tmgradient/tm_3dobjects.zip

Here's another example built this morning in about an hour and half, created
entirely within Revolution:
  http://www.tactilemedia.com/tmtools/tmcolor/label.jpg

We've also updated our gradient gallery stack with a couple of new objects
to inspire creative uses of the tools.  If you haven't seen this stack yet,
take a look:
  http://www.tactilemedia.com/tmtools/tmgradient/tm_gallery.rev.zip

Don't forget the online resources as well:
QuickStart Guide
  http://www.tactilemedia.com/tmtools/tmgradient/quickstart.html
Widget Tutorial
  http://www.tactilemedia.com/tmtools/tmgradient/tutorial1_1.html

Remember, you can get BOTH tm|color and tm|gradient for only US$18.
Visit the Media section of our Web site for more info:
  http://www.tactilemedia.com.

Also compatible with Jerry Daniels' Constellation!

----------

PLEASE NOTE: these updates are effective for Rev 2.6.x ONLY.  Like many
other folks, we're still ironing out issues with Rev 2.7.


Best Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From gilbert at isphlg.rimed.cu  Thu Mar 16 16:57:35 2006
From: gilbert at isphlg.rimed.cu (Gilberto Cuba)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:57:35 -0500
Subject: Minimize stack...
Message-ID: <000801c64944$caed9750$1c037b98@p42600>

Hi,

I have a Rev 2.6 in a Debian Sarge distributions, and I tried to minimize my
application in KDE, it work very fine, but I tried to minimized in GNOME
 that is not work. Why?

 How I can minimize my application in GNOME?

Best regards,

Gilberto Cuba




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Mar 16 15:57:37 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:57:37 -0600
Subject: How does 'Create Folder' give its result?
In-Reply-To: <69FECFDF-DDD1-40AF-AA50-8E2CA7EAEBDC@mac.com>
References: <69FECFDF-DDD1-40AF-AA50-8E2CA7EAEBDC@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4419D141.5080102@hyperactivesw.com>

Graham Samuel wrote:

> Thanks for the reply, but my point is that the 'create folder'  function 
> doesn't appear to me to return anything in 'the result' when  an error 
> occurs: 'the result' just goes on being empty - but the  command does 
> apparently generate an error text because I can see it  in the message 
> box.

The result is very fragile, and is usually emptied almost immediately. 
To make sure you catch it, you have to check for it in the very next 
line of script. Do you have any lines of script between the "create" 
command and the result check?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From aturban at qwest.net  Thu Mar 16 16:37:04 2006
From: aturban at qwest.net (Arthur Urban)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:37:04 -0700
Subject: Evolution of Revolution?
Message-ID: <4419DA80.1080207@qwest.net>

I'm seriously considering buying Rev, but I'd like to know where the 
developers are taking this product. Does anybody know what's in store 
down the road in terms of enhanced controls, language features, and the 
like? I know that's a rather open-ended question, but surely there's 
much more room for this IDE to grow. I'm occasionally bumping into 
"short-comings"; no show-stoppers, but developer annoyances...you know 
the kind :)

Thanx for any info!


From jonathandlynch at gmail.com  Thu Mar 16 16:44:40 2006
From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (Jonathan Lynch)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:44:40 -0500
Subject: Evolution of Revolution?
In-Reply-To: <4419DA80.1080207@qwest.net>
References: <4419DA80.1080207@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <31e1938c0603161344l138489a3od143df62dca916f7@mail.gmail.com>

In my experience, most of the shortcomings can be overcome. And once they
are overcome, you can save reuse the solution forever.

For example, the table object in Rev is imperfect. It is good for some
things, but it does not do what I need it to do as a user interface.

So, I created my own table object that does exactly what I want.


There are quite a few cases out there where users have created similar
solutions, and are willing to share them with the rest of us.

So, if you share you shortcomings with us, I bet we can help you find a
quick and permanent solution for most of them:)


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Thu Mar 16 16:48:27 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:48:27 -0800
Subject: How does 'Create Folder' give its result?
In-Reply-To: <4419D141.5080102@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <69FECFDF-DDD1-40AF-AA50-8E2CA7EAEBDC@mac.com>
	<4419D141.5080102@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <p0623090bc03f8c6e3b62@[192.168.1.103]>

Have you put the command in a 'try' structure?


Syntax:

try
   statementList
catch errorVariable   errorStatementsList
   [finally   cleanupStatementsList]
end try

See also:   catch keyword , end try keyword , finally keyword , 
lockErrorDialogs property , throw control structure 

Summary:
Executes a list of statements, sending any errors to the try 
structure to be handled.


Use the try control structure to execute a series of statements and 
handle any error messages in the catch section, instead of letting 
Revolution display the error window.


>Graham Samuel wrote:
>
>>Thanks for the reply, but my point is that the 'create folder' 
>>function doesn't appear to me to return anything in 'the result' 
>>when  an error occurs: 'the result' just goes on being empty - but 
>>the  command does apparently generate an error text because I can 
>>see it  in the message box.
>
>The result is very fragile, and is usually emptied almost 
>immediately. To make sure you catch it, you have to check for it in 
>the very next line of script. Do you have any lines of script 
>between the "create" command and the result check?
>
>--
>Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -

From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu Mar 16 16:50:26 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:50:26 +1000
Subject: Positioning the Message Box ?
In-Reply-To: <4167e2f54e13e2a9de140cb5f066e356@wanadoo.fr>
References: <4167e2f54e13e2a9de140cb5f066e356@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603161350p2f4acd29jfacaa6960af98863@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/17/06, Francis Nugent Dixon <effendi at wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> Hi from Paris,
>
> I have an update on my own question. When I position the
> message  box,
>
> show message box
> set the rect of window  "message box"   to 394,681,802,826
>
> it goes to the right place. But when I display any data in it, it
> RETURNS to its original position (It happens so quickly
> during my script execution, that it was hard to see !).
>
> So now my question is reformulated. Can I freeze
> the message box so that it doesn't move ?

Using "show" seems to be the problem. If you just do something like:
    set the rect of stack "Message box" to 137,554,538,696
    put "Here I am"

it will stay in the right place.

Cheers,
Sarah


From douez at wanadoo.fr  Thu Mar 16 17:36:30 2006
From: douez at wanadoo.fr (thierry)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:36:30 +0000
Subject: set the graphic "G" to x,y,....
In-Reply-To: <4419AFC3.3080406@sympatico.ca>
References: <4419AABB.1080508@fourthworld.com> <4419AFC3.3080406@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <4419E86E.9040101@wanadoo.fr>

Hi all,

Testing  Rev27 on Win32,  with my demoStack,
i found that the command :

     set the graphic "G" to listPoints

is 5 times slower on Rev27 than on  Rev21.

because, i'm using this command in a loop it's really not too good :-(

the anti-aliasing is off.

Does anyone saw that and has a clue or is this a bug ?

Regards,
thierry



From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Thu Mar 16 17:40:32 2006
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:40:32 +0100
Subject: Positioning the Message Box ?
Message-ID: <4fc4971834199b4fefaa1e81265999cb@wanadoo.fr>

Hi Robert,

Thanks for the feedback. I realized that there were
alternate solutions (such as a substack), but I am a
lazy "git", and I want to limit the modifications to my
Hypercard stack scripts while converting.
I  even wrote a "Hypercard to Revolution" script
conversion script, to help me in my conversion, but
I can see it getting much more complicated.

The message box was so useful ......... !

Sigh - I suppose I will have to do it the hard way !

-Francis

"Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"




From douez at wanadoo.fr  Thu Mar 16 17:41:52 2006
From: douez at wanadoo.fr (thierry)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:41:52 +0000
Subject: set the graphic "G" to x,y,....
In-Reply-To: <4419E86E.9040101@wanadoo.fr>
References: <4419AABB.1080508@fourthworld.com> <4419AFC3.3080406@sympatico.ca>
	<4419E86E.9040101@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <4419E9B0.9060304@wanadoo.fr>

Oups, bad typo, sorry.

the command is:   set the points of graphic "G" to listPoints

thierry

> Hi all,
>
> Testing  Rev27 on Win32,  with my demoStack,
> i found that the command :
>
>     set the graphic "G" to listPoints
>
> is 5 times slower on Rev27 than on  Rev21.
>
> because, i'm using this command in a loop it's really not too good :-(
>
> the anti-aliasing is off.
>
> Does anyone saw that and has a clue or is this a bug ?
>
> Regards,
> thierry 


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 16 18:20:24 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:20:24 -0800
Subject: How does 'Create Folder' give its result?
In-Reply-To: <p0623090bc03f8c6e3b62@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <C03F32B8.36340%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/16/06 1:48 PM, "Stephen Barncard" <stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com>
wrote:
> Have you put the command in a 'try' structure?>
> Syntax: 
> try
>    statementList
> catch errorVariable   errorStatementsList
>    [finally   cleanupStatementsList]
> end try
>snip
> 
> Use the try control structure to execute a series of statements and
> handle any error messages in the catch section, instead of letting
> Revolution display the error window.

The "catch" with using [try-catch] with the [create folder] failure is that
it is not a Rev error, so no catch is triggered.  You do need to test the
result returned by the operating system.

A Rev error is one that is a operation such as
put 4 * marbleCount into totalMarbles
and marbleCount is not a number.  In this case, a try structure would work
and allow some alternate course of action without stopping the program.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

> 
>> Graham Samuel wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks for the reply, but my point is that the 'create folder'
>>> function doesn't appear to me to return anything in 'the result'
>>> when  an error occurs: 'the result' just goes on being empty - but
>>> the  command does apparently generate an error text because I can
>>> see it  in the message box.
>> 
>> The result is very fragile, and is usually emptied almost
>> immediately. To make sure you catch it, you have to check for it in
>> the very next line of script. Do you have any lines of script
>> between the "create" command and the result check?
>> 
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From wlists at fireworksmm.com  Thu Mar 16 18:23:38 2006
From: wlists at fireworksmm.com (Wally Rodriguez)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:23:38 -0500
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <4419AFC3.3080406@sympatico.ca>
References: <4419AABB.1080508@fourthworld.com> <4419AFC3.3080406@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <878983E8-E450-485B-A95F-54942323469F@fireworksmm.com>

How about a tutorial on how to set up Rev to use FastCGI. For those  
of us for whom a lot of these terms are totatlly new, it would be  
great to be able to take advantage of some of these tools.

I know I'm already salivating at the possibilities of merge(),  
something I just learned about on this thread.

W.

On Mar 16, 2006, at 1:34 PM, Collabyrinth VPN wrote:

> Forgive the intrusion from a 'lurker', but as I've learned so much  
> from you all the last three months, it's time I gave something back.
>
> I'm developing using Ruby on Rails on both Windows XP Pro SP2 &  
> (Knoppix) Linux simultaneously.
>
> Rev works just fine with FastCGI. Fwiw, I'd be happy to set up some  
> benchmarks and publish the results next week, if it helps.
>
> A brief general comment. I use and modify the Ruby code to handle  
> the 'unseen' parts, if you will, and Rev to generate what the user  
> sees on the websites. I see Rev as complementary to ROR, and it  
> seems to work well. A good mix.
>
> Cheers from Canada
> Peter Elliott



From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Thu Mar 16 18:52:09 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:52:09 -0800
Subject: Icon for OS X compiled .app not showing :-(
In-Reply-To: <a06110426c03f5456acf5@[141.89.100.174]>
References: <4167e2f54e13e2a9de140cb5f066e356@wanadoo.fr>
	<a06110426c03f5456acf5@[141.89.100.174]>
Message-ID: <4419FA29.50708@paraboliclogic.com>

Rev 2.6.1

Greetings,

Ok, made .png files in sizes of 16x16, 32x32, 48x48 and 128x128.  Put 
them all in Icon Composer and saved the file as a .icns file.

Then I picked that file as the icons in the standalone settings for OS X 
and selected the dialog png files and so on.  I used the same .icns file 
for both the application and document icon.

But after the standalone was saved, the icons I made are not being used 
at all for the .app in finder.  It's using the default icon from OS X as 
if mine didn't exist or something.

Looking into the .app resouces shows both icons, and the plist file does 
name the icons appropriately.

Am I doing something wrong?

Thanks,
-Garrett


From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Thu Mar 16 18:53:49 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:53:49 -0800
Subject: Icon for OS X compiled .app not showing :-(
In-Reply-To: <4419FA29.50708@paraboliclogic.com>
References: <4167e2f54e13e2a9de140cb5f066e356@wanadoo.fr>	<a06110426c03f5456acf5@[141.89.100.174]>
	<4419FA29.50708@paraboliclogic.com>
Message-ID: <4419FA8D.9060501@paraboliclogic.com>

Garrett Hylltun wrote:
> Rev 2.6.1
> 

I should mention though that the dock icon is correct.

Thanks,
-Garrett


From wlists at fireworksmm.com  Thu Mar 16 18:54:22 2006
From: wlists at fireworksmm.com (Wally Rodriguez)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:54:22 -0500
Subject: Positioning the Message Box ?
In-Reply-To: <4fc4971834199b4fefaa1e81265999cb@wanadoo.fr>
References: <4fc4971834199b4fefaa1e81265999cb@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <EC39CD9A-22C4-45A6-8C54-EDCC09F68D4C@fireworksmm.com>

I imagine that there is a way to intercept the calls to the message  
box from your original code since Constellation can basically replace  
it with it's own integrated message box. Worth a try depending on  
what might take longer to do...

W.

On Mar 16, 2006, at 5:40 PM, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:

> Hi Robert,
>
> Thanks for the feedback. I realized that there were
> alternate solutions (such as a substack), but I am a
> lazy "git", and I want to limit the modifications to my
> Hypercard stack scripts while converting.
> I  even wrote a "Hypercard to Revolution" script
> conversion script, to help me in my conversion, but
> I can see it getting much more complicated.
>
> The message box was so useful ......... !
>
> Sigh - I suppose I will have to do it the hard way !
>
> -Francis
>
> "Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 16 19:00:20 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:00:20 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <4419AABB.1080508@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C03F3C14.3634C%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/16/06 10:13 AM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> I would 
> enourage those interested in web apps grab Dr. Raney's mchttpd.mc and
> play with it a while.   It's a thing of beauty to just open the stack,
> click the "Start" button, and call it with your browser.
Hi, Richard,

I am beginning to step toward the world of web apps and  did the dnld of the
mchttpd app, started it on a G5, but am not sure how to access it.

Tried in Safari 
(on the same OSX 10.4.2 computer)
(& IE on Win32 behind the same router)

 http://192.186.15.100
 http://192.186.15.100/index.html

=> can't find the server

Does the mchttpd computer have to have static IP?

Although I am new at this, I know someone who might jump into Rev if he saw
this working.

Thanks.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From scott at proherp.com  Thu Mar 16 19:03:52 2006
From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:03:52 +1100
Subject: Icon for OS X compiled .app not showing :-(
In-Reply-To: <4419FA8D.9060501@paraboliclogic.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c64956$4a0f0030$0201010a@royalnexus>

> I should mention though that the dock icon is correct.

Sometimes rebooting can solve this.

Scott

-- 
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Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.4/283 - Release Date:
16/03/2006
 



From userev at canelasoftware.com  Thu Mar 16 19:17:11 2006
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:17:11 -0800
Subject: Icon for OS X compiled .app not showing :-(
In-Reply-To: <4419FA29.50708@paraboliclogic.com>
References: <4167e2f54e13e2a9de140cb5f066e356@wanadoo.fr>
	<a06110426c03f5456acf5@[141.89.100.174]>
	<4419FA29.50708@paraboliclogic.com>
Message-ID: <1301CD6E-054F-4D72-95D9-D1394A436AEF@canelasoftware.com>


On Mar 16, 2006, at 3:52 PM, Garrett Hylltun wrote:

> Looking into the .app resouces shows both icons, and the plist file  
> does name the icons appropriately.
>
> Am I doing something wrong?


You can force the icon to update in the finder by Option dragging a  
copy of the application you made.  It will duplicate the app and show  
the correct icon.  You then delete the original file and rename  
the .copy version appropriately.


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From collabyrinth at sympatico.ca  Thu Mar 16 19:44:21 2006
From: collabyrinth at sympatico.ca (Collabyrinth VPN)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:44:21 -0700
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <878983E8-E450-485B-A95F-54942323469F@fireworksmm.com>
References: <4419AABB.1080508@fourthworld.com> <4419AFC3.3080406@sympatico.ca>
	<878983E8-E450-485B-A95F-54942323469F@fireworksmm.com>
Message-ID: <441A0665.2040101@sympatico.ca>

Wally

As (your) luck would have it, we're working on exactly such a document 
for the poor unfortunates who will inherit the servers once I've wrought 
havoc on them.

This is pro bono stuff for the fellowship AFAIC, for keeping me sober 
since 1979, so by all means, when it's done and relatively stable, I'll 
release it in the RunRev wild.

Some of the stuff around FastCGI is a bit tricky, but I think the 
documentation will pull you through. If it doesn't, you know where to 
get me.

So, about the coffee ...

Peter Elliott

Wally Rodriguez wrote:

> How about a tutorial on how to set up Rev to use FastCGI. For those  
> of us for whom a lot of these terms are totatlly new, it would be  
> great to be able to take advantage of some of these tools.
>
> I know I'm already salivating at the possibilities of merge(),  
> something I just learned about on this thread.
>
> W.
>
> On Mar 16, 2006, at 1:34 PM, Collabyrinth VPN wrote:
>
>> Forgive the intrusion from a 'lurker', but as I've learned so much  
>> from you all the last three months, it's time I gave something back.
>>
>> I'm developing using Ruby on Rails on both Windows XP Pro SP2 &  
>> (Knoppix) Linux simultaneously.
>>
>> Rev works just fine with FastCGI. Fwiw, I'd be happy to set up some  
>> benchmarks and publish the results next week, if it helps.
>>
>> A brief general comment. I use and modify the Ruby code to handle  
>> the 'unseen' parts, if you will, and Rev to generate what the user  
>> sees on the websites. I see Rev as complementary to ROR, and it  
>> seems to work well. A good mix.
>>
>> Cheers from Canada
>> Peter Elliott
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
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From mvreade at earthlink.net  Thu Mar 16 20:21:50 2006
From: mvreade at earthlink.net (mvreade at earthlink.net)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:21:50 -0500
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <441A0665.2040101@sympatico.ca>
References: <4419AABB.1080508@fourthworld.com> <4419AFC3.3080406@sympatico.ca>
	<878983E8-E450-485B-A95F-54942323469F@fireworksmm.com>
	<441A0665.2040101@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <B799780D-9D92-4C6F-B88E-51E6AE17F344@earthlink.net>

Wow Peter, great!  As one of the "lurkers" who has been toying with  
Revolution before taking a dive, this is indeed inspiring.

Thanks,

Michael


On Mar 16, 2006, at 7:44 PM, Collabyrinth VPN wrote:

> Wally
>
> As (your) luck would have it, we're working on exactly such a  
> document for the poor unfortunates who will inherit the servers  
> once I've wrought havoc on them.
>
> This is pro bono stuff for the fellowship AFAIC, for keeping me  
> sober since 1979, so by all means, when it's done and relatively  
> stable, I'll release it in the RunRev wild.
>
> Some of the stuff around FastCGI is a bit tricky, but I think the  
> documentation will pull you through. If it doesn't, you know where  
> to get me.
>
> So, about the coffee ...
>
> Peter Elliott
>
> Wally Rodriguez wrote:
>
>> How about a tutorial on how to set up Rev to use FastCGI. For  
>> those  of us for whom a lot of these terms are totatlly new, it  
>> would be  great to be able to take advantage of some of these tools.
>>
>> I know I'm already salivating at the possibilities of merge(),   
>> something I just learned about on this thread.
>>
>> W.
>>
>> On Mar 16, 2006, at 1:34 PM, Collabyrinth VPN wrote:
>>
>>> Forgive the intrusion from a 'lurker', but as I've learned so  
>>> much  from you all the last three months, it's time I gave  
>>> something back.
>>>
>>> I'm developing using Ruby on Rails on both Windows XP Pro SP2 &   
>>> (Knoppix) Linux simultaneously.
>>>
>>> Rev works just fine with FastCGI. Fwiw, I'd be happy to set up  
>>> some  benchmarks and publish the results next week, if it helps.
>>>
>>> A brief general comment. I use and modify the Ruby code to  
>>> handle  the 'unseen' parts, if you will, and Rev to generate what  
>>> the user  sees on the websites. I see Rev as complementary to  
>>> ROR, and it  seems to work well. A good mix.
>>>
>>> Cheers from Canada
>>> Peter Elliott
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
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>>
>
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From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Thu Mar 16 20:23:39 2006
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:23:39 -0800
Subject: Evolution of Revolution?
In-Reply-To: <4419DA80.1080207@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <20060317012346.A60A77F061@spatula.dreamhost.com>

> I'm seriously considering buying Rev, but I'd like to know 
> where the developers are taking this product. Does anybody 
> know what's in store down the road in terms of enhanced 
> controls, language features, and the like? I know that's a 
> rather open-ended question, but surely there's much more room 
> for this IDE to grow. I'm occasionally bumping into 
> "short-comings"; no show-stoppers, but developer 
> annoyances...you know the kind :)

In the interests of a competitive marketplace, we cannot discuss specifics
about what is in store. Enterprise customers can get access to a private
list, but its effectively subject to non-disclosure.

That being said - I think you will find 2006 an exceptional year for
advancements in both usability and the underlying technology - and that
includes the IDE. In fact, you can modify and extend the interface of
Revolution yourself right now. Just take a look at the Constellation editor,
that integrates with the Revolution IDE:

http://www.runrev.com/section/revselect/constellation/index.php

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd




From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Thu Mar 16 20:25:12 2006
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:25:12 -0500
Subject: Get a handler from a script
Message-ID: <38D6B541-DA1E-419F-B258-525DA4179819@adelphia.net>

Hello friends,

I know how to get the script from an objects script via script:     
put the script of card "Foo" into tBar

But, I would like to get just one of the handlers from a script via  
script:    put handler "FooBar" of the script of card "Foo" into tBar

Anyone know how to do this easily?

Thanks

Tom


Thomas J McGrath III
3mcgrath at adelphia.net

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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Thu Mar 16 20:30:50 2006
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:30:50 -0500
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <441A0665.2040101@sympatico.ca>
References: <4419AABB.1080508@fourthworld.com> <4419AFC3.3080406@sympatico.ca>
	<878983E8-E450-485B-A95F-54942323469F@fireworksmm.com>
	<441A0665.2040101@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <70C0824B-CACD-490A-8976-694A3615C73A@adelphia.net>

Peter,

As a fellow 'coffee' drinker, welcome to the list.

"We keep what we have by giving it away." works real well in this  
environment too.


Easy Does It,

Tom


On Mar 16, 2006, at 7:44 PM, Collabyrinth VPN wrote:
> This is pro bono stuff for the fellowship AFAIC, for keeping me  
> sober since 1979, so by all means, when it's done and relatively  
> stable, I'll release it in the RunRev wild.
>
> So, about the coffee ...
>
> Peter Elliott

Thomas J McGrath III
3mcgrath at adelphia.net

Lazy River Software? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com

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SCIconics, LLC - http://www.sciconics.com/sciindex.html









From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Thu Mar 16 20:39:15 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:39:15 -0800
Subject: Evolution of Revolution?
In-Reply-To: <20060317012346.A60A77F061@spatula.dreamhost.com>
References: <20060317012346.A60A77F061@spatula.dreamhost.com>
Message-ID: <441A1343.3050505@paraboliclogic.com>

I'd like to see the Linux GUI Framework updated to something like GTK 2 
or QT.  The current gui framework is ugly and looks outdated on a linux 
box of today.  Just do that and I'd be happy!  :-)

One of the main reasons I bought Rev Studio was to develop for Mac, 
Linux and Windows, but as it is now, I can't put anything out for linux 
when the gui is just flat out ugly and doesn't even come close to the 
current gui of Gnome or KDE.  Even GTK 1.x is better looking.

-Garrett


From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Thu Mar 16 20:39:55 2006
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:39:55 -0500
Subject: Pass - is it really needed
Message-ID: <8FF5068C-4B6D-4CB8-BA50-B6C418BC9B08@adelphia.net>

Hello friends,

I am writing a lot of commands and functions for a library and was  
wondering if the Pass handler name was a necessity? I mean, If I am  
not using a handler name that is a part of transcript then do I  
really want the handler to pass after running it? What would be a  
reason I would.
The reason I ask is that when I insert a new command it throws in a  
pass with that commands name by default. I don't normally use the  
Pass except when using an On card or other transcript handler.

Thanks,

Tom
Busy again,

Thomas J McGrath III
3mcgrath at adelphia.net

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From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Thu Mar 16 20:41:43 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:41:43 -0800
Subject: Icon for OS X compiled .app not showing :-(
In-Reply-To: <1301CD6E-054F-4D72-95D9-D1394A436AEF@canelasoftware.com>
References: <4167e2f54e13e2a9de140cb5f066e356@wanadoo.fr>	<a06110426c03f5456acf5@[141.89.100.174]>	<4419FA29.50708@paraboliclogic.com>
	<1301CD6E-054F-4D72-95D9-D1394A436AEF@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <441A13D7.8000003@paraboliclogic.com>

Mark Talluto wrote:
> 
> On Mar 16, 2006, at 3:52 PM, Garrett Hylltun wrote:
> 
>> Looking into the .app resouces shows both icons, and the plist file 
>> does name the icons appropriately.
>>
>> Am I doing something wrong?
> 
> 
> You can force the icon to update in the finder by Option dragging a copy 
> of the application you made.  It will duplicate the app and show the 
> correct icon.  You then delete the original file and rename the .copy 
> version appropriately.

Well that did it... Thanks Mark.

Damn! I made an ugly Icon!  :-(  Maybe should have left it alone!  ;-) 
Back to the graphics program again.

-Garrett


From rjb at robelko.com  Thu Mar 16 20:57:11 2006
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 02:57:11 +0100
Subject: Pass - is it really needed
In-Reply-To: <8FF5068C-4B6D-4CB8-BA50-B6C418BC9B08@adelphia.net>
References: <8FF5068C-4B6D-4CB8-BA50-B6C418BC9B08@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <a06110403c03fc618761c@[192.168.1.104]>

>Hello friends,
>
>I am writing a lot of commands and functions for a library and was 
>wondering if the Pass handler name was a necessity? I mean, If I am 
>not using a handler name that is a part of transcript then do I 
>really want the handler to pass after running it? What would be a 
>reason I would.
>The reason I ask is that when I insert a new command it throws in a 
>pass with that commands name by default. I don't normally use the 
>Pass except when using an On card or other transcript handler.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Tom
>Busy again,
>
>Thomas J McGrath III
>3mcgrath at adelphia.net

The script editor is just trying to be friendly and reduce the amount 
of typing for you. Using pass is your call and depends on what you 
want to achieve.

Normally, you would not pass your own handlers unless you do 
multi-tiered processing; for example, card handler does card-specific 
stuff and passes it further so background handler can do 
background-specific stuff and/or stack can do stack-wide stuff. The 
situation with standard messages is a tad different. Here, you would 
usually pass the call unless you want to terminate processing; for 
example, having openStack on card level without pass will prevent the 
openStack handler in the stack script from executing.

Robert


From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Thu Mar 16 21:08:53 2006
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:08:53 -0500
Subject: Busy Again
Message-ID: <8AC4A419-8D8C-4800-ACE7-BF411B1E0795@adelphia.net>

Hey you guys and gals,

I just have to say that since my last project I was being rather  
sluggish in jumping on the 'new' project.

Well, yesterday I started twiddling around writing a couple of  
handlers and 'seeing' where they might lead. Next thing you know  
Transcript just sucked me right in. i was hooked all over again. I  
couldn't sleep. I couldn't take an hour to spend with the family. I  
haven't gotten dressed since yesterday. I'm still in my PJs. Every  
time I say "OK, let's take a break" I end up just jumping back in for  
more.
I have written 74 Commands and Functions and plan on finishing this  
tomorrow. Two and a half days to write something this powerful with  
this many features is INCREDIBLE!    AWESOME!     UNBELIEVABLE!  Pick  
one, pick them all.

Since this is foundation for the next three or four software products  
I plan on releasing I am stoked.

Thanks for all of your help and support.

Tom


Thomas J McGrath III
3mcgrath at adelphia.net

Lazy River Software? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com

Lazy River Metal Art? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/metal.html

Meeting Wear? - http://www.cafepress.com/meetingwear

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SCIconics, LLC - http://www.sciconics.com/sciindex.html









From rjb at robelko.com  Thu Mar 16 21:11:59 2006
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 03:11:59 +0100
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <38D6B541-DA1E-419F-B258-525DA4179819@adelphia.net>
References: <38D6B541-DA1E-419F-B258-525DA4179819@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <a06110404c03fc821f0bd@[192.168.1.104]>

>Hello friends,
>
>I know how to get the script from an objects script via script:
>put the script of card "Foo" into tBar
>
>But, I would like to get just one of the handlers from a script via 
>script:    put handler "FooBar" of the script of card "Foo" into tBar
>
>Anyone know how to do this easily?
>
>Thanks
>
>Tom
>
>
>Thomas J McGrath III
>3mcgrath at adelphia.net


something like (not tested; watch line wraps)

put extractHandlerFromScript(the script of cd "Foo","FooBar") into tBar

function extractHandlerFromScript pScript,pHandlerName
   put lineOffset("on" && pHandlerName & space, pScript) into tHandlerBegin
   if tHandlerBegin is 0 then put lineOffset("on" && pHandlerName & 
cr, pScript) into tFooBar1
   if tHandlerBegin is 0 then put lineOffset("function" && 
pHandlerName & space, pScript) into tFooBar1
   if tHandlerBegin is 0 then put lineOffset("function" && 
pHandlerName & cr, pScript) into tFooBar1
   if tHandlerBegin is 0 then return empty
   put lineOffset("end" && pHandlerName & cr, pScript) into tHandlerEnd
   if tHandlerEnd is 0 then put lineOffset("end" && pHandlerName & 
space, pScript) into tHandlerEnd
   if tHandlerEnd is 0 then return empty
   return line tHandlerBegin to tHandlerEnd of pScript
end extractHandlerFromScript

If formatting is not so regular, you may need to account for multiple 
spaces between on/function/end and handler name.

Robert


From mark at maseurope.net  Thu Mar 16 21:16:02 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 02:16:02 +0000
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <38D6B541-DA1E-419F-B258-525DA4179819@adelphia.net>
References: <38D6B541-DA1E-419F-B258-525DA4179819@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <666E59EA-4394-45C5-8E6E-8121816AE2E0@maseurope.net>

Not tested, but something like this should work:

function getHandler hName,tControl
   put the script of control tControl into tScript
   get lineOffset("on " & hName,tScript)
   if it = 0 then return "not found"
   put it into startLine
   get lineOffset("end " & hName,tScript)
   return line startLine to it of tScript
end getHandler

Cheers,

Mark

On 17 Mar 2006, at 01:25, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> Hello friends,
>
> I know how to get the script from an objects script via script:     
> put the script of card "Foo" into tBar
>
> But, I would like to get just one of the handlers from a script via  
> script:    put handler "FooBar" of the script of card "Foo" into tBar
>
> Anyone know how to do this easily?
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom
>
>
> Thomas J McGrath III
> 3mcgrath at adelphia.net
>
> Lazy River Software? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com
>
> Lazy River Metal Art? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/metal.html
>
> Meeting Wear? - http://www.cafepress.com/meetingwear
>
> Semantic Compaction Systems - http://www.minspeak.com
>
> SCIconics, LLC - http://www.sciconics.com/sciindex.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Thu Mar 16 21:16:19 2006
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:16:19 -0500
Subject: Pass - is it really needed
In-Reply-To: <a06110403c03fc618761c@[192.168.1.104]>
References: <8FF5068C-4B6D-4CB8-BA50-B6C418BC9B08@adelphia.net>
	<a06110403c03fc618761c@[192.168.1.104]>
Message-ID: <51DC01FD-9BCB-443D-8714-5A6B0875B5FA@adelphia.net>

Thanks Robert,

I wasn't sure but that was what I was thinking. Your response  
verifies that for me and I feel I can keep treating Pass the way I  
normally do. I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something crucial.

Thanks again,

Tom


On Mar 16, 2006, at 8:57 PM, Robert Brenstein wrote:
>> I am writing a lot of commands and functions for a library and was  
>> wondering if the Pass handler name was a necessity? I mean, If I  
>> am not using a handler name that is a part of transcript then do I  
>> really want the handler to pass after running it? What would be a  
>> reason I would.
>> The reason I ask is that when I insert a new command it throws in  
>> a pass with that commands name by default. I don't normally use  
>> the Pass except when using an On card or other transcript handler.
>>
>
> The script editor is just trying to be friendly and reduce the  
> amount of typing for you. Using pass is your call and depends on  
> what you want to achieve.
>
> Normally, you would not pass your own handlers unless you do multi- 
> tiered processing; for example, card handler does card-specific  
> stuff and passes it further so background handler can do background- 
> specific stuff and/or stack can do stack-wide stuff. The situation  
> with standard messages is a tad different. Here, you would usually  
> pass the call unless you want to terminate processing; for example,  
> having openStack on card level without pass will prevent the  
> openStack handler in the stack script from executing.

Thomas J McGrath III
3mcgrath at adelphia.net

Lazy River Software? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com

Lazy River Metal Art? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/metal.html

Meeting Wear? - http://www.cafepress.com/meetingwear

Semantic Compaction Systems - http://www.minspeak.com

SCIconics, LLC - http://www.sciconics.com/sciindex.html









From mark at maseurope.net  Thu Mar 16 21:46:06 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 02:46:06 +0000
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <a06110404c03fc821f0bd@[192.168.1.104]>
References: <38D6B541-DA1E-419F-B258-525DA4179819@adelphia.net>
	<a06110404c03fc821f0bd@[192.168.1.104]>
Message-ID: <AFB4BDB1-1B69-4C33-8BB9-0CD330C0F350@maseurope.net>

This is more the ticket - except I don't think we need to deal with  
'on' and 'function' separately, lineOffset picks up  the 'on' in  
'function'.

Cheers,

Mark

>
> something like (not tested; watch line wraps)
>
> put extractHandlerFromScript(the script of cd "Foo","FooBar") into  
> tBar
>
> function extractHandlerFromScript pScript,pHandlerName
>   put lineOffset("on" && pHandlerName & space, pScript) into  
> tHandlerBegin
>   if tHandlerBegin is 0 then put lineOffset("on" && pHandlerName &  
> cr, pScript) into tFooBar1
>   if tHandlerBegin is 0 then put lineOffset("function" &&  
> pHandlerName & space, pScript) into tFooBar1
>   if tHandlerBegin is 0 then put lineOffset("function" &&  
> pHandlerName & cr, pScript) into tFooBar1
>   if tHandlerBegin is 0 then return empty
>   put lineOffset("end" && pHandlerName & cr, pScript) into tHandlerEnd
>   if tHandlerEnd is 0 then put lineOffset("end" && pHandlerName &  
> space, pScript) into tHandlerEnd
>   if tHandlerEnd is 0 then return empty
>   return line tHandlerBegin to tHandlerEnd of pScript
> end extractHandlerFromScript
>
> If formatting is not so regular, you may need to account for  
> multiple spaces between on/function/end and handler name.
>
> Robert
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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Thu Mar 16 21:48:48 2006
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:48:48 -0500
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <666E59EA-4394-45C5-8E6E-8121816AE2E0@maseurope.net>
References: <38D6B541-DA1E-419F-B258-525DA4179819@adelphia.net>
	<666E59EA-4394-45C5-8E6E-8121816AE2E0@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <4C97769F-B2F6-4946-95FB-8F7D1920B1A1@adelphia.net>

Mark and Robert,

I needed to check for functions as well. So I adapted the script from  
Mark into this:

function getHandlers hName,tControl
     put the script of card tControl into tScript
     put tScript
     get lineOffset("on " & hName,tScript)
     if it = 0 then
         get lineOffset("function " & hName,tScript)
     end if
     if it = 0 then return "not found"
     put it into startLine
     get lineOffset("end " & hName,tScript)
     return line startLine to it of tScript
end getHandlers

Thank you so much for your help,

Tom


On Mar 16, 2006, at 9:16 PM, Mark Smith wrote:

> Not tested, but something like this should work:
>
> function getHandler hName,tControl
>   put the script of control tControl into tScript
>   get lineOffset("on " & hName,tScript)
>   if it = 0 then return "not found"
>   put it into startLine
>   get lineOffset("end " & hName,tScript)
>   return line startLine to it of tScript
> end getHandler
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mark
>
> On 17 Mar 2006, at 01:25, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>
>> Hello friends,
>>
>> I know how to get the script from an objects script via script:     
>> put the script of card "Foo" into tBar
>>
>> But, I would like to get just one of the handlers from a script  
>> via script:    put handler "FooBar" of the script of card "Foo"  
>> into tBar
>>
>> Anyone know how to do this easily?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Tom



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Mar 16 21:51:03 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:51:03 -0800
Subject: [Slightly OT] Amazon's New Storage Plan - Someone Do a Rev
	Interface?
In-Reply-To: <9BBD4FC5-EA18-4031-92C3-8E4B42ED4602@mac.com>
References: <200603142358.k2ENw1Zu028064@ms-smtp-02.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
	<3f07cc260603141756u25c55bdepc2dedace00f6d0f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<12344666617.20060314213613@ahsoftware.net>
	<045632CB-82DD-48E4-AC5C-839BB64D6DEB@mac.com>
	<1452362206.20060315101745@ahsoftware.net>
	<9BBD4FC5-EA18-4031-92C3-8E4B42ED4602@mac.com>
Message-ID: <17139192756.20060316185103@ahsoftware.net>

Andre-

Wednesday, March 15, 2006, 10:56:54 AM, you wrote:

I spent about 20 minutes today at the Software Developer's Conference
in the south bay with one of the S3 developers from Amazon, and he
confirmed most of what we have been thinking...

> I read the docs, there appear to be no magical/automated interface
> for BT.

This is true. BT is supported as a distribution mechanism on the
client end in order to minimize distribution costs. But there's no
other explicit BT support on the server end. Nor, I think, does any
need to be there.

> What appears to exist is that if you create a public object, which is
> a resource that can be accessed by a URL without authentication, then

Yes and no. By default when you upload an object it's not publicly
accessible. There's a call in the api to make it public if you want.
Otherwise even with a BT client you still need to authenticate.

> if we had HMAC/SHA1 routines, we could build a S3 library in 20  
> minutes, it's very easy.

They're only supporting HMAC/SHA1 for now, but are open to other
authentication methods. There are public fora at the AWS web site for
developer discussions. The Amazon guy I talked with said that he's
also seen an SHA1 encoder on the web, written in Javascript, of all
things.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Mar 16 21:54:24 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:54:24 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <20060317005740.40EF7826489@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060317005740.40EF7826489@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <441A24E0.8040209@fourthworld.com>

Jim Ault wrote:
 > On 3/16/06 10:13 AM, "Richard Gaskin" wrote:
 >> I would enourage those interested in web apps grab
 >> Dr. Raney's mchttpd.mc and play with it a while.
 >> It's a thing of beauty to just open the stack,
 >> click the "Start" button, and call it with your
 >> browser.
 >
 > I am beginning to step toward the world of web apps
 > and  did the dnld of the mchttpd app, started it on
 > a G5, but am not sure how to access it.
 >
 > Tried in Safari
 > (on the same OSX 10.4.2 computer)
 > (& IE on Win32 behind the same router)
 >
 >  http://192.186.15.100
 >  http://192.186.15.100/index.html
 >
 > => can't find the server
 >
 > Does the mchttpd computer have to have static IP?
 >
 > Although I am new at this, I know someone who might jump
 > into Rev if he saw this working.

The default port in mchttpd is 8080 -- on my Mac I use:

     http://localhost:8080/


--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com



From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Thu Mar 16 21:59:16 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:59:16 -0800
Subject: Busy Again
In-Reply-To: <8AC4A419-8D8C-4800-ACE7-BF411B1E0795@adelphia.net>
References: <8AC4A419-8D8C-4800-ACE7-BF411B1E0795@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <441A2604.8040606@paraboliclogic.com>

Thomas McGrath III wrote:
> Hey you guys and gals,
> 
> I just have to say that since my last project I was being rather 
> sluggish in jumping on the 'new' project.
> 
> Well, yesterday I started twiddling around writing a couple of handlers 
> and 'seeing' where they might lead. Next thing you know Transcript just 
> sucked me right in. i was hooked all over again. I couldn't sleep. I 

Sounds like an Intervention might have to come into play for you!  ;-)

-Garrett



From mark at maseurope.net  Thu Mar 16 22:04:54 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 03:04:54 +0000
Subject: Get a handler from a script
Message-ID: <745e934a0603161904m364a78a2i94fdd6ce4b440434@mail.gmail.com>

The reason I think Roberts is more the ticket is that it deals with
the case where you have a handler 'jumpHigh' as well as a handler
'jump' later in the script -- this means we need to check for the end
of the handler name - which could be a space if there are parameters,
or cr if not.

We can avoid checking that for the 'end' line by using the third
parameter to lineOffset -- lines to skip, so a revised version might
be:

function extractHandlerFromScript pScript,pHandlerName
  put lineOffset("on" && pHandlerName & space, pScript) into tHandlerBegin
  if tHandlerBegin is 0 then put lineOffset("on" && pHandlerName & cr,
pScript) into tFooBar1
-- this deals with either space or cr at the end of the handler name
-- and we don't need to check for 'function' since it contains 'on'

  if tHandlerBegin is 0 then return empty
  put lineOffset("end" && pHandlerName,pScript,tHandlerBegin) into tHandlerEnd
  if pHandlerEnd is 0 then return empty	
  return line tHandlerBegin to tHandlerEnd of pScript
end extractHandlerFromScript

Cheers,

Mark

On 17 Mar 2006, at 02:48, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

Mark and Robert,

I needed to check for functions as well. So I adapted the script from
Mark into this:

function getHandlers hName,tControl
    put the script of card tControl into tScript
    put tScript
    get lineOffset("on " & hName,tScript)
    if it = 0 then
        get lineOffset("function " & hName,tScript)
    end if
    if it = 0 then return "not found"
    put it into startLine
    get lineOffset("end " & hName,tScript)
    return line startLine to it of tScript
end getHandlers

Thank you so much for your help,

Tom


On Mar 16, 2006, at 9:16 PM, Mark Smith wrote:

Not tested, but something like this should work:

function getHandler hName,tControl
  put the script of control tControl into tScript
  get lineOffset("on " & hName,tScript)
  if it = 0 then return "not found"
  put it into startLine
  get lineOffset("end " & hName,tScript)
  return line startLine to it of tScript
end getHandler


From mark at maseurope.net  Thu Mar 16 22:12:19 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 03:12:19 +0000
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <745e934a0603161904m364a78a2i94fdd6ce4b440434@mail.gmail.com>
References: <745e934a0603161904m364a78a2i94fdd6ce4b440434@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9E7713BB-2077-48FC-8234-7B2B2B749152@maseurope.net>

Sorry, using the third parameter to lineOffset means we have to do this:

   return line tHandlerBegin to (tHandlerBegin +  tHandlerEnd) of  
pScript

On 17 Mar 2006, at 03:04, Mark Smith wrote:

>
>   return line tHandlerBegin to tHandlerEnd of pScript
>




From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Mar 16 22:14:19 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:14:19 -0600
Subject: [ANN] tm|color and tm|gradient Updates
In-Reply-To: <C03F0B8E.35DB3%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C03F0B8E.35DB3%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <441A298B.2030608@chipp.com>

Wow Scott! Very impressive. I didn't know you could do all these things 
with your product. Cool!

If you all haven't seen the URL's below, you should take a minute and 
have a look!

-Chipp

Scott Rossi wrote:

> - tm|color, our non-modal color chooser, now supports marker colors (fill
> and line) and includes a few bug fixes.

>   http://www.tactilemedia.com/tmtools/tmgradient/quickstart.html
> Widget Tutorial
>   http://www.tactilemedia.com/tmtools/tmgradient/tutorial1_1.html



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Mar 16 22:17:07 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:17:07 -0800
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <38D6B541-DA1E-419F-B258-525DA4179819@adelphia.net>
References: <38D6B541-DA1E-419F-B258-525DA4179819@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <8440756564.20060316191707@ahsoftware.net>

Tom-

Thursday, March 16, 2006, 5:25:12 PM, you wrote:

> But, I would like to get just one of the handlers from a script via
> script:    put handler "FooBar" of the script of card "Foo" into tBar

Here's a simplified version of what I do:

-- pHandler is the name of the handler to extract
-- pScript is the entire script text
function FindHandler pHandler, pScript
  local tStart, tEnd

  put lineOffset("on" && pHandler, pScript) into tStart
  put lineOffset("end" && pHandler, pScript) into tEnd
  return line tStart to tEnd of pScript
end FindHandler

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From rjb at robelko.com  Thu Mar 16 22:13:39 2006
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 04:13:39 +0100
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <745e934a0603161904m364a78a2i94fdd6ce4b440434@mail.gmail.com>
References: <745e934a0603161904m364a78a2i94fdd6ce4b440434@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a06110405c03fd8e8e5ce@[192.168.1.104]>

>The reason I think Roberts is more the ticket is that it deals with
>the case where you have a handler 'jumpHigh' as well as a handler
>'jump' later in the script -- this means we need to check for the end
>of the handler name - which could be a space if there are parameters,
>or cr if not.
>
>We can avoid checking that for the 'end' line by using the third
>parameter to lineOffset -- lines to skip, so a revised version might
>be:
>
>function extractHandlerFromScript pScript,pHandlerName
>   put lineOffset("on" && pHandlerName & space, pScript) into tHandlerBegin
>   if tHandlerBegin is 0 then put lineOffset("on" && pHandlerName & cr,
>pScript) into tFooBar1
>-- this deals with either space or cr at the end of the handler name
>-- and we don't need to check for 'function' since it contains 'on'
>
>   if tHandlerBegin is 0 then return empty
>   put lineOffset("end" && pHandlerName,pScript,tHandlerBegin) into tHandlerEnd
>   if pHandlerEnd is 0 then return empty
>   return line tHandlerBegin to tHandlerEnd of pScript
>end extractHandlerFromScript
>
>Cheers,
>
>Mark


Great improvements, Mark.

Robert


From scott at proherp.com  Thu Mar 16 22:21:10 2006
From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:21:10 +1100
Subject: [ANN] tm|color and tm|gradient Updates
In-Reply-To: <441A298B.2030608@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <001501c64971$d8b4d6a0$0201010a@royalnexus>

> If you all haven't seen the URL's below, you should take a minute and 
> have a look!

Agreed.  Fantastic stuff!

Scott K

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From collabyrinth at sympatico.ca  Fri Mar 17 00:18:48 2006
From: collabyrinth at sympatico.ca (Collabyrinth VPN)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:18:48 -0700
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <B799780D-9D92-4C6F-B88E-51E6AE17F344@earthlink.net>
References: <4419AABB.1080508@fourthworld.com>
	<4419AFC3.3080406@sympatico.ca>	<878983E8-E450-485B-A95F-54942323469F@fireworksmm.com>	<441A0665.2040101@sympatico.ca>
	<B799780D-9D92-4C6F-B88E-51E6AE17F344@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <441A46B8.4070407@sympatico.ca>

Michael

Well, I was looking for solution to fasttrack an entirely different 
project when I ran across Revolution. I've been running it on a 
Groundhog Day WinBox, but it's dive-time for me, most certainly. This 
list is also a very fertile group, I think, and that's helped immensely.

Sometimes I think we programmers take far too much pride in the 
*complexity* of what we do, and shun truly productive environments 
because "anyone can do it" kind of thinking. (You're reading this from a 
guy who writes Pike/Ruby/PHP/C/SB code in a freeware editor just to be 
macho man because I'm surrounded by people 2/5ths my age. Job security.)

This is a useful, powerful product, and the way it gets more exposure is 
if we turn out high-quality, attractive and powerful websites & apps to 
prove it.

With apologies to VB lovers anywhere, this ain't exactly Visual Basic.

Regards,
Peter

mvreade at earthlink.net wrote:

> Wow Peter, great!  As one of the "lurkers" who has been toying with  
> Revolution before taking a dive, this is indeed inspiring.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael
>
>
> On Mar 16, 2006, at 7:44 PM, Collabyrinth VPN wrote:
>
>> Wally
>>
>> As (your) luck would have it, we're working on exactly such a  
>> document for the poor unfortunates who will inherit the servers  once 
>> I've wrought havoc on them.
>>
>> This is pro bono stuff for the fellowship AFAIC, for keeping me  
>> sober since 1979, so by all means, when it's done and relatively  
>> stable, I'll release it in the RunRev wild.
>>
>> Some of the stuff around FastCGI is a bit tricky, but I think the  
>> documentation will pull you through. If it doesn't, you know where  
>> to get me.
>>
>> So, about the coffee ...
>>
>> Peter Elliott
>>
>> Wally Rodriguez wrote:
>>
>>> How about a tutorial on how to set up Rev to use FastCGI. For  
>>> those  of us for whom a lot of these terms are totatlly new, it  
>>> would be  great to be able to take advantage of some of these tools.
>>>
>>> I know I'm already salivating at the possibilities of merge(),   
>>> something I just learned about on this thread.
>>>
>>> W.
>>>
>>> On Mar 16, 2006, at 1:34 PM, Collabyrinth VPN wrote:
>>>
>>>> Forgive the intrusion from a 'lurker', but as I've learned so  
>>>> much  from you all the last three months, it's time I gave  
>>>> something back.
>>>>
>>>> I'm developing using Ruby on Rails on both Windows XP Pro SP2 &   
>>>> (Knoppix) Linux simultaneously.
>>>>
>>>> Rev works just fine with FastCGI. Fwiw, I'd be happy to set up  
>>>> some  benchmarks and publish the results next week, if it helps.
>>>>
>>>> A brief general comment. I use and modify the Ruby code to  handle  
>>>> the 'unseen' parts, if you will, and Rev to generate what  the 
>>>> user  sees on the websites. I see Rev as complementary to  ROR, and 
>>>> it  seems to work well. A good mix.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers from Canada
>>>> Peter Elliott
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Mar 17 00:22:01 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:22:01 -0600
Subject: Pass - is it really needed
In-Reply-To: <8FF5068C-4B6D-4CB8-BA50-B6C418BC9B08@adelphia.net>
References: <8FF5068C-4B6D-4CB8-BA50-B6C418BC9B08@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <441A4779.1090501@hyperactivesw.com>

Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> The reason I ask is that when I insert a new command it throws in a  
> pass with that commands name by default.

This isn't native Revolution behavior. Are you using Constellation?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 17 00:37:32 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:37:32 -0800
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <745e934a0603161904m364a78a2i94fdd6ce4b440434@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C03F8B1C.36383%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Perhaps using 

set the wholematches to true
put lineOffset("on" && pHandlerName, pScript) into tStart
if tStart is 0 then put lineOffset("function" && pHandlerName, pScript) into
tStart
put (lineOffset("end" && pHandlerName, pScript) +1 into tEnd


answer tStart & cr & tEnd

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 3/16/06 7:04 PM, "Mark Smith" <mark at maseurope.net> wrote:

> The reason I think Roberts is more the ticket is that it deals with
> the case where you have a handler 'jumpHigh' as well as a handler
> 'jump' later in the script -- this means we need to check for the end
> of the handler name - which could be a space if there are parameters,
> or cr if not.
> 
> We can avoid checking that for the 'end' line by using the third
> parameter to lineOffset -- lines to skip, so a revised version might
> be:
> 
> function extractHandlerFromScript pScript,pHandlerName
>   put lineOffset("on" && pHandlerName & space, pScript) into tHandlerBegin
>   if tHandlerBegin is 0 then put lineOffset("on" && pHandlerName & cr,
> pScript) into tFooBar1
> -- this deals with either space or cr at the end of the handler name
> -- and we don't need to check for 'function' since it contains 'on'
> 
>   if tHandlerBegin is 0 then return empty
>   put lineOffset("end" && pHandlerName,pScript,tHandlerBegin) into tHandlerEnd
>   if pHandlerEnd is 0 then return empty 
>   return line tHandlerBegin to tHandlerEnd of pScript
> end extractHandlerFromScript
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Mark
> 
> On 17 Mar 2006, at 02:48, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
> 
> Mark and Robert,
> 
> I needed to check for functions as well. So I adapted the script from
> Mark into this:
> 
> function getHandlers hName,tControl
>     put the script of card tControl into tScript
>     put tScript
>     get lineOffset("on " & hName,tScript)
>     if it = 0 then
>         get lineOffset("function " & hName,tScript)
>     end if
>     if it = 0 then return "not found"
>     put it into startLine
>     get lineOffset("end " & hName,tScript)
>     return line startLine to it of tScript
> end getHandlers
> 
> Thank you so much for your help,
> 
> Tom
> 
> 
> On Mar 16, 2006, at 9:16 PM, Mark Smith wrote:
> 
> Not tested, but something like this should work:
> 
> function getHandler hName,tControl
>   put the script of control tControl into tScript
>   get lineOffset("on " & hName,tScript)
>   if it = 0 then return "not found"
>   put it into startLine
>   get lineOffset("end " & hName,tScript)
>   return line startLine to it of tScript
> end getHandler
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Mar 17 00:41:09 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:41:09 -0600
Subject: Icon for OS X compiled .app not showing :-(
In-Reply-To: <4419FA29.50708@paraboliclogic.com>
References: <4167e2f54e13e2a9de140cb5f066e356@wanadoo.fr>	<a06110426c03f5456acf5@[141.89.100.174]>
	<4419FA29.50708@paraboliclogic.com>
Message-ID: <441A4BF5.9040403@hyperactivesw.com>

Garrett Hylltun wrote:

> But after the standalone was saved, the icons I made are not being used 
> at all for the .app in finder.  It's using the default icon from OS X as 
> if mine didn't exist or something.

As you know now, Mark's suggestion works. So does zipping and then 
unzipping the standalone, which is what I always used to do. But the 
coolest trick was just posted here within the last week or so, and I 
thought it was Mark Talluto's trick too (if I remember right.) Anyway, 
you do a "get info" on the file, select the icon, and choose "Delete" 
from the Edit menu. Bingo. I have now changed my ways.


-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From aturban at qwest.net  Fri Mar 17 00:43:49 2006
From: aturban at qwest.net (Arthur Urban)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:43:49 -0700
Subject: Developer Annoyance #1
Message-ID: <441A4C95.4080705@qwest.net>

I think a new syntax needs to be made available for calling functions 
outside the message hierarchy. The existing mechanism does not lend 
itself to high readability or maintainability. Consider the following, 
if you will:

  put 1 into varA
  put 2 into varB
  put value( merge("calc([[varA]],[[varB]]))", btn "source" ) into 
localResult

further, if I need to protect the integrity of the variable passed it 
begins to look like this:

  put "1,2,3" into varA
  put 4 into varB
  put value( merge("calc([[quote&varA&quote]],[[varB]]))", btn "source" 
) into localResult

I'm not sure that this is the right direction for any language to be 
headed. Please explain why we can't have the following syntax:

  put calc(varA,varB) of btn "source" into localResult



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 17 00:55:15 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:55:15 -0800
Subject: Developer Annoyance #1
In-Reply-To: <441A4C95.4080705@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <C03F8F43.36386%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>


> I'm not sure that this is the right direction for any language to be
> headed. Please explain why we can't have the following syntax:
> 
>   put calc(varA,varB) of btn "source" into localResult
> 
Please explain what you mean by this.. I don't understand what you are
trying to do

What is 'calc(varA,varB) of btn "source"
At the moment, this makes no sense to me.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 3/16/06 9:43 PM, "Arthur Urban" <aturban at qwest.net> wrote:

> I think a new syntax needs to be made available for calling functions
> outside the message hierarchy. The existing mechanism does not lend
> itself to high readability or maintainability. Consider the following,
> if you will:
> 
>   put 1 into varA
>   put 2 into varB
>   put value( merge("calc([[varA]],[[varB]]))", btn "source" ) into
> localResult
> 
> further, if I need to protect the integrity of the variable passed it
> begins to look like this:
> 
>   put "1,2,3" into varA
>   put 4 into varB
>   put value( merge("calc([[quote&varA&quote]],[[varB]]))", btn "source"
> ) into localResult
> 
> I'm not sure that this is the right direction for any language to be
> headed. Please explain why we can't have the following syntax:
> 
>   put calc(varA,varB) of btn "source" into localResult
> 
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From soapdog at mac.com  Fri Mar 17 01:03:42 2006
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 03:03:42 -0300
Subject: Developer Annoyance #1
In-Reply-To: <C03F8F43.36386%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C03F8F43.36386%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3C4A0B54-2EF8-4352-BF3D-5ADC40FA14F9@mac.com>

Err...

can't you make it a Handler use send and check for the result???

send "calc VarA, VarB" to btn "source"
put the result into localResult

of course calc is not a function but a handler with a return statement.

Cheers
andre



On Mar 17, 2006, at 2:55 AM, Jim Ault wrote:

>> I'm not sure that this is the right direction for any language to be
>> headed. Please explain why we can't have the following syntax:
>>
>>   put calc(varA,varB) of btn "source" into localResult
>>



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 17 01:09:21 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:09:21 -0800
Subject: Developer Annoyance #1
In-Reply-To: <441A4C95.4080705@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <C03F9291.3638A%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Ahh, if you are trying to make embedded quotes
as in 'the formatted string' construct ?

where localResult should be the string of    calc(varA,varB) of btn "source"

You can do the a few ways depending on your starting and ending strings and
your preference

ONE
put "calc(varA,varB) of btn "&quote&"source"&quote into localResult

TWO
put quote into q
put "calc(varA,varB) of btn "&q&"source"&q into localResult

THREE
put "calc(varA,varB) of btn ^source^" into localResult
replace "^" with quote in localResult

FOUR
make a simple 'formatted string' function that does the quoting for you.

If you are quoting for Unix or shell commands you may have to 'escape' them
in your function.
If you are quoting for HTML or AppleScript  or other, you may only have to
produce the simple replacement

Am I understanding your question?

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 3/16/06 9:43 PM, "Arthur Urban" <aturban at qwest.net> wrote:

> I think a new syntax needs to be made available for calling functions
> outside the message hierarchy. The existing mechanism does not lend
> itself to high readability or maintainability. Consider the following,
> if you will:
> 
>   put 1 into varA
>   put 2 into varB
>   put value( merge("calc([[varA]],[[varB]]))", btn "source" ) into
> localResult
> 
> further, if I need to protect the integrity of the variable passed it
> begins to look like this:
> 
>   put "1,2,3" into varA
>   put 4 into varB
>   put value( merge("calc([[quote&varA&quote]],[[varB]]))", btn "source"
> ) into localResult
> 
> I'm not sure that this is the right direction for any language to be
> headed. Please explain why we can't have the following syntax:
> 
>   put calc(varA,varB) of btn "source" into localResult
> 
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 17 01:17:47 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:17:47 -0800
Subject: Developer Annoyance #1
In-Reply-To: <441A4C95.4080705@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <C03F948B.3638E%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Ooops, I got the wrong idea from your use of value(merge... etc

You can use the 'send' or 'call' commands to use a function outside the
message hierarchy, even in another stack.

As Andre has shown

send "calc VarA, VarB" to btn "source"
put the result into localResult

where...
on calc VarA, VarB
...do work here
return theVal
end calc

or

insert the script of btn "source" into back
--now the handler(s) are in the message hierarchy
 put calc(varA,varB) into localResult
remove the script of btn "source" from back --now or later

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 3/16/06 9:43 PM, "Arthur Urban" <aturban at qwest.net> wrote:

> I think a new syntax needs to be made available for calling functions
> outside the message hierarchy. The existing mechanism does not lend
> itself to high readability or maintainability. Consider the following,
> if you will:
> 
>   put 1 into varA
>   put 2 into varB
>   put value( merge("calc([[varA]],[[varB]]))", btn "source" ) into
> localResult
> 
> further, if I need to protect the integrity of the variable passed it
> begins to look like this:
> 
>   put "1,2,3" into varA
>   put 4 into varB
>   put value( merge("calc([[quote&varA&quote]],[[varB]]))", btn "source"
> ) into localResult
> 
> I'm not sure that this is the right direction for any language to be
> headed. Please explain why we can't have the following syntax:
> 
>   put calc(varA,varB) of btn "source" into localResult
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Mar 17 01:32:40 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 00:32:40 -0600
Subject: Developer Annoyance #1
In-Reply-To: <3C4A0B54-2EF8-4352-BF3D-5ADC40FA14F9@mac.com>
References: <C03F8F43.36386%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<3C4A0B54-2EF8-4352-BF3D-5ADC40FA14F9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <441A5808.2040901@hyperactivesw.com>

Andre Garzia wrote:
> Err...
> 
> can't you make it a Handler use send and check for the result???
> 
> send "calc VarA, VarB" to btn "source"
> put the result into localResult
> 
> of course calc is not a function but a handler with a return statement.
> 
> Cheers
> andre
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 17, 2006, at 2:55 AM, Jim Ault wrote:
> 
>>> I'm not sure that this is the right direction for any language to be
>>> headed. Please explain why we can't have the following syntax:
>>>
>>>   put calc(varA,varB) of btn "source" into localResult
>>>

Or there's a really ugly way too, but it's short:

   insert script of btn "source" into back
   put calc(varA,varB) into localResult
   remove script of btn "source" from back

I know, I know...but it works.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Fri Mar 17 01:43:33 2006
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 01:43:33 -0500
Subject: Busy Again
In-Reply-To: <441A2604.8040606@paraboliclogic.com>
References: <8AC4A419-8D8C-4800-ACE7-BF411B1E0795@adelphia.net>
	<441A2604.8040606@paraboliclogic.com>
Message-ID: <0DD71752-C44F-4E7A-A6C7-2ED12432061F@adelphia.net>

Well it's 1:30 AM and I have now finished 134 Functions and Commands  
for my little library. Only about 30 or 40 more to go. I do love the  
challenge of scripting in three different languages as well.  
Transcript, Applescript and Python. I think it is frying my brain to  
a crisp.

But when you're hot, you're hot and you better get while the going is  
getting or hot umm, maybe that's strike while the iron is hot.

Umm... yeah OK, off to sleep.

Yours truly

Tom

On Mar 16, 2006, at 9:59 PM, Garrett Hylltun wrote:

> Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>> Hey you guys and gals,
>> I just have to say that since my last project I was being rather  
>> sluggish in jumping on the 'new' project.
>> Well, yesterday I started twiddling around writing a couple of  
>> handlers and 'seeing' where they might lead. Next thing you know  
>> Transcript just sucked me right in. i was hooked all over again. I  
>> couldn't sleep. I
>
> Sounds like an Intervention might have to come into play for you!  ;-)
>
> -Garrett
>
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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Fri Mar 17 01:44:57 2006
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 01:44:57 -0500
Subject: Pass - is it really needed
In-Reply-To: <441A4779.1090501@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <8FF5068C-4B6D-4CB8-BA50-B6C418BC9B08@adelphia.net>
	<441A4779.1090501@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <F91D7562-B111-4BDE-9A68-6283C3EA6BA8@adelphia.net>

That is correct. I finally see how powerful Constellation is in my  
work flow.

On Mar 17, 2006, at 12:22 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>
>> The reason I ask is that when I insert a new command it throws in  
>> a  pass with that commands name by default.
>
> This isn't native Revolution behavior. Are you using Constellation?
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

Thomas J McGrath III
3mcgrath at adelphia.net

Lazy River Software? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com

Lazy River Metal Art? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/metal.html

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SCIconics, LLC - http://www.sciconics.com/sciindex.html









From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Mar 17 02:37:57 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 01:37:57 -0600
Subject: Pass - is it really needed
In-Reply-To: <F91D7562-B111-4BDE-9A68-6283C3EA6BA8@adelphia.net>
References: <8FF5068C-4B6D-4CB8-BA50-B6C418BC9B08@adelphia.net>	<441A4779.1090501@hyperactivesw.com>
	<F91D7562-B111-4BDE-9A68-6283C3EA6BA8@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <441A6755.2060303@chipp.com>

Yep, I'd prefer Constellation not place a 'pass' automatically in 
handlers. I'm sure Jerry will add it as a preference some day :-)

-Chipp

But, you gotta love the tabbed browsing AND the GREAT debugger which 
doesn't flake out for no apparent reason. Jerry's told me he's worked 
really hard on making the debugger as robust as possible..and it shows.

Thomas McGrath III wrote:
> That is correct. I finally see how powerful Constellation is in my  work 
> flow.
> 
> On Mar 17, 2006, at 12:22 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>> Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>>
>>> The reason I ask is that when I insert a new command it throws in  a  
>>> pass with that commands name by default.
>>
>>
>> This isn't native Revolution behavior. Are you using Constellation?



From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Mar 17 02:39:19 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 01:39:19 -0600
Subject: Developer Annoyance #1
In-Reply-To: <C03F948B.3638E%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C03F948B.3638E%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <441A67A7.2040802@chipp.com>

Good point Jim,

I really like 'call' as it doesn't create a context for the 
handler/function. Check it out in the dictionary.

Jim Ault wrote:
> Ooops, I got the wrong idea from your use of value(merge... etc
> 
> You can use the 'send' or 'call' commands to use a function outside the
> message hierarchy, even in another stack.



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 17 02:42:16 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:42:16 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <441A24E0.8040209@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C03FA858.36396%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>




On 3/16/06 6:54 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
> The default port in mchttpd is 8080 -- on my Mac I use:
> 
>      http://localhost:8080/

Woiks very good... cool.


Is there a tutorial about how to put this in action on my G4 that has a
static IP?  I know that Apache would be the default receiver of 8080 traffic
and I am definitely not a config-mechanic.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas



> Jim Ault wrote:
>> On 3/16/06 10:13 AM, "Richard Gaskin" wrote:
>>> I would enourage those interested in web apps grab
>>> Dr. Raney's mchttpd.mc and play with it a while.
>>> It's a thing of beauty to just open the stack,
>>> click the "Start" button, and call it with your
>>> browser.
>> 
>> I am beginning to step toward the world of web apps
>> and  did the dnld of the mchttpd app, started it on
>> a G5, but am not sure how to access it.
>> 
>> Tried in Safari
>> (on the same OSX 10.4.2 computer)
>> (& IE on Win32 behind the same router)
>> 
>>  http://192.186.15.100
>>  http://192.186.15.100/index.html
>> 
>> => can't find the server
>> 
>> Does the mchttpd computer have to have static IP?
>> 
>> Although I am new at this, I know someone who might jump
>> into Rev if he saw this working.




From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Fri Mar 17 02:48:28 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:48:28 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <C03FA858.36396%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <441A24E0.8040209@fourthworld.com>
	<C03FA858.36396%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603162348p12f725a2x20ce017ea3f701bd@mail.gmail.com>

Well, at least from the mc stack, you just run it and it seems to intercept
the call on the designated port. You can manually change the port in the
launch stack as well.

PRetty cool stuff.


On 3/16/06, Jim Ault <JimAultWins at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> On 3/16/06 6:54 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
> > The default port in mchttpd is 8080 -- on my Mac I use:
> >
> >      http://localhost:8080/
>
> Woiks very good... cool.
>
>
> Is there a tutorial about how to put this in action on my G4 that has a
> static IP?  I know that Apache would be the default receiver of 8080
> traffic
> and I am definitely not a config-mechanic.
>
>
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author
http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
>From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html


From aturban at qwest.net  Fri Mar 17 03:09:36 2006
From: aturban at qwest.net (Arthur Urban)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 01:09:36 -0700
Subject: Developer Annoyance #1
In-Reply-To: <3C4A0B54-2EF8-4352-BF3D-5ADC40FA14F9@mac.com>
References: <C03F8F43.36386%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<3C4A0B54-2EF8-4352-BF3D-5ADC40FA14F9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <441A6EC0.2020109@qwest.net>

The problem with this solution is that varA and varB are not evaluated. 
In order to use your syntax it would need to be:

send "calc" && varA & comma & varB to btn "source"
or
send merge( "calc [[varA]], [[varB]]" ) to btn "source"

I find both inelegant readability wise. I think there is a great burden 
on language developers to create a language that goes as far as it can 
toward self-documentation. I feel that the message passing mechanisms 
are a sore spot in transcript. I do not understand why Rev would be 
unable to parse my proposed syntax.

Thank you for your suggestion, however!

Andre Garzia wrote:
> Err...
>
> can't you make it a Handler use send and check for the result???
>
> send "calc VarA, VarB" to btn "source"
> put the result into localResult
>
> of course calc is not a function but a handler with a return statement.
>
> Cheers
> andre
>
>
>
> On Mar 17, 2006, at 2:55 AM, Jim Ault wrote:
>
>>> I'm not sure that this is the right direction for any language to be
>>> headed. Please explain why we can't have the following syntax:
>>>
>>>   put calc(varA,varB) of btn "source" into localResult
>>>
>
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From aturban at qwest.net  Fri Mar 17 03:17:04 2006
From: aturban at qwest.net (Arthur Urban)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 01:17:04 -0700
Subject: Developer Annoyance #1
In-Reply-To: <441A5808.2040901@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C03F8F43.36386%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>	<3C4A0B54-2EF8-4352-BF3D-5ADC40FA14F9@mac.com>
	<441A5808.2040901@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <441A7080.5090701@qwest.net>

Yeah, thought about that too, but I'm tired of accommodating 
transcript's ideosyncracies. A language should accommodate the developer 
at every turn. The problem I see with the solution below, is that if any 
layer in the message path has an identically named function, the one I 
want invoked will be intercepted early, and screen the one I actually 
want. It also kinda obviates the entire strategy of invoking a method in 
another object. :)

You probably already considered these side-effects, but I spelled them 
out for anybody else following along, trying to learn this language.

J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
> Or there's a really ugly way too, but it's short:
>
>   insert script of btn "source" into back
>   put calc(varA,varB) into localResult
>   remove script of btn "source" from back
>
> I know, I know...but it works.
>


From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Fri Mar 17 03:19:00 2006
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 00:19:00 -0800
Subject: Developer Annoyance #1
In-Reply-To: <441A5808.2040901@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C03FB0F4.192EA%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

On 3/16/06 10:32 PM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> Or there's a really ugly way too, but it's short:
> 
>    insert script of btn "source" into back
>    put calc(varA,varB) into localResult
>    remove script of btn "source" from back
> 
> I know, I know...but it works.

One person's ugly is another person's beauty, it seems. The technique very
simply solved a current problem for me.

On 3/16/06 11:39 PM, "Chipp Walters" <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:

> I really like 'call' as it doesn't create a context for the
> handler/function.

My problem was that "call" and "value()" change the target, breaking some of
my handlers.

Thanks to Jacque and Jim.

-- Dick




From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Fri Mar 17 03:34:15 2006
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 00:34:15 -0800
Subject: Developer Annoyance #1
In-Reply-To: <441A6EC0.2020109@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <C03FB487.192EE%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

On 3/17/06 12:09 AM, "Arthur Urban" <aturban at qwest.net> wrote:

> The problem with this solution is that varA and varB are not evaluated.
>
> Andre Garzia wrote:
>> send "calc VarA, VarB" to btn "source"

The dictionary entry for "send" says:

Any parameters are evaluated before they are passed to the send command. For
example, the following statement sends the mouseUp message with 2 as the
first parameter:

  send "mouseUp 1+1" to button "Example"




From aturban at qwest.net  Fri Mar 17 03:35:53 2006
From: aturban at qwest.net (Arthur Urban)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 01:35:53 -0700
Subject: Developer Annoyance #1
In-Reply-To: <C03F948B.3638E%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C03F948B.3638E%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <441A74E9.5090502@qwest.net>

Thanx for the alternate examples you provided. I addressed their 
shortcomings in other posts in the thread, so I won't reiterate. :)

While I will continue to entertain other "solutions", the main thrust of 
my initial post was to propose a new, clearer syntax for message 
calling. One I think Rev could handle easily.

As function:

  put calc(varA,varB) of btn "source" into localResult

As command/message

  send calc varA,varB to btn "source"

Clearly, everything between 'send' and 'to' is the message followed by it's arguments; very simple to parse. Why send appears to be limited to a single string argument (under the hood), is odd to me. Even if varA was a chunk expression (char 1 to 2), Rev is smart enough to know that you can't send a message to a chunk expression, ergo keep looking for an object reference when parsing.

I think if developers and casual coders could easily assemble complex messages, they would be more inclined to keep the behavior with the data, leading to greater reusability. I imagine I'm a voice in the wilderness here.


Jim Ault wrote:
> Ooops, I got the wrong idea from your use of value(merge... etc
>
> You can use the 'send' or 'call' commands to use a function outside the
> message hierarchy, even in another stack.
>
> As Andre has shown
>
> send "calc VarA, VarB" to btn "source"
> put the result into localResult
>
> where...
> on calc VarA, VarB
> ...do work here
> return theVal
> end calc
>
> or
>
> insert the script of btn "source" into back
> --now the handler(s) are in the message hierarchy
>  put calc(varA,varB) into localResult
> remove the script of btn "source" from back --now or later
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
> On 3/16/06 9:43 PM, "Arthur Urban" <aturban at qwest.net> wrote:
>
>   
>> I think a new syntax needs to be made available for calling functions
>> outside the message hierarchy. The existing mechanism does not lend
>> itself to high readability or maintainability. Consider the following,
>> if you will:
>>
>>   put 1 into varA
>>   put 2 into varB
>>   put value( merge("calc([[varA]],[[varB]]))", btn "source" ) into
>> localResult
>>
>> further, if I need to protect the integrity of the variable passed it
>> begins to look like this:
>>
>>   put "1,2,3" into varA
>>   put 4 into varB
>>   put value( merge("calc([[quote&varA&quote]],[[varB]]))", btn "source"
>> ) into localResult
>>
>> I'm not sure that this is the right direction for any language to be
>> headed. Please explain why we can't have the following syntax:
>>
>>   put calc(varA,varB) of btn "source" into localResult
>>
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 17 03:38:14 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 00:38:14 -0800
Subject: Developer Annoyance #1
In-Reply-To: <441A6EC0.2020109@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <C03FB576.363A4%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

>"transcript's ideosyncracies "

I guess the basic issue is that the messaging hierarchy is designed so that
there are several ways of building your functions/procedures into libraries,
script containers, and objects so that they are 'available' in the message
path and yet be dynamic.

You have chosen to put a function in one of the few places it is more
difficult to "call".  You could put this in a background group script or
stack script just as easily and not have the ugly.

 This is "idiosyncracy" is actually fundamental to the "on mouseup" handler
working.. imagine if the button and field objects did NOT have the current
message path... that would be ugly scripting indeed, requiring an id for
everything and no longer being a rapid development environment.

If you do not want to code according to the way
Revolution/Metacard/Supercard/Hypercard is set up, then I agree that you
will generate several instances of ugly code.

>" It also kinda obviates the entire strategy of invoking a method in
>another object."
Depends on the object, since you have many to choose from.  Putting a
function in a button or a field will have the advantage that it won't be
accidentally called by another handler.  This is very useful for user
interfaces, menus, etc.

It is this a dynamic nature of XTalk that gives it avenues of richness.
You can set the scripts of objects, reset them, move them in and out of the
hierarchy over to different stacks, into back or front script position and
more.  Move card to card and have different features and functions on each
one.

You could EVEN have most all of your scripts in text files and set the
script containers of flds, btns, cards, etc when the stack is opened.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 3/17/06 12:09 AM, "Arthur Urban" <aturban at qwest.net> wrote:

> The problem with this solution is that varA and varB are not evaluated.
> In order to use your syntax it would need to be:
> 
> send "calc" && varA & comma & varB to btn "source"
> or
> send merge( "calc [[varA]], [[varB]]" ) to btn "source"
> 
> I find both inelegant readability wise. I think there is a great burden
> on language developers to create a language that goes as far as it can
> toward self-documentation. I feel that the message passing mechanisms
> are a sore spot in transcript. I do not understand why Rev would be
> unable to parse my proposed syntax.
> 
> Thank you for your suggestion, however!
> 
> Andre Garzia wrote:
>> Err...
>> 
>> can't you make it a Handler use send and check for the result???
>> 
>> send "calc VarA, VarB" to btn "source"
>> put the result into localResult
>> 
>> of course calc is not a function but a handler with a return statement.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> andre
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 17, 2006, at 2:55 AM, Jim Ault wrote:
>> 
>>>> I'm not sure that this is the right direction for any language to be
>>>> headed. Please explain why we can't have the following syntax:
>>>> 
>>>>   put calc(varA,varB) of btn "source" into localResult
>>>> 
>> 
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From aturban at qwest.net  Fri Mar 17 03:47:28 2006
From: aturban at qwest.net (Arthur Urban)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 01:47:28 -0700
Subject: Developer Annoyance #1
In-Reply-To: <C03FB487.192EE%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
References: <C03FB487.192EE%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
Message-ID: <441A77A0.5070807@qwest.net>

I've discovered that the dictionary does not always tell the whole 
story. I'm sure it evaluates literals just fine, but it does not 
evaluate containers. Unfortunately the dictionary tends to illustrate 
the simplest of scenarios for a command, not the most likely ones you 
will find yourself using. :)

The dictionary entry for "send" says:
> Any parameters are evaluated before they are passed to the send command. For
> example, the following statement sends the mouseUp message with 2 as the
> first parameter:
>
>   send "mouseUp 1+1" to button "Example"
>   


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 17 04:06:07 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 01:06:07 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603162348p12f725a2x20ce017ea3f701bd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C03FBBFF.363A6%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Hey Dan, thanks for the quick note.
I think I get now.  8080 is already open.  Launch this and the metacard
stack listens without changing any control panel stuff.

Just tried the following:

Safari
http://localhost:8080/~jault/
=== stack running as an app (dbl clk) no problems


Explorer from a Windows XP computer on my local network
Firewall OFF
http://192.168.15.100:8080/~jault/
=== stack running as an app (dbl clk) CRASHED metacard

Exception:  EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Codes:      KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x00000000




>From FireFox on the same Mac
http://192.168.15.100:8080/~jault/
=== CRASHED metacard
EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x00000000


>From Safari on the same Mac
http://192.168.15.100:8080/~jault/
=== CRASHED metacard
Safari can?t open the page ?http://192.168.15.100:8080/~jault/?. The error
was: ?lost network connection? (NSURLErrorDomain:-1005)

now I am confused.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 3/16/06 11:48 PM, "Dan Shafer" <revolutionary.dan at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, at least from the mc stack, you just run it and it seems to intercept
> the call on the designated port. You can manually change the port in the
> launch stack as well.
> 
> PRetty cool stuff.
> 
> 
> On 3/16/06, Jim Ault <JimAultWins at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/16/06 6:54 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>>> The default port in mchttpd is 8080 -- on my Mac I use:
>>> 
>>>      http://localhost:8080/
>> 
>> Woiks very good... cool.
>> 
>> 
>> Is there a tutorial about how to put this in action on my G4 that has a
>> static IP?  I know that Apache would be the default receiver of 8080
>> traffic
>> and I am definitely not a config-mechanic.
>> 
>> 
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author
> http://www.shafermedia.com
> Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
>> From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 17 04:09:42 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 01:09:42 -0800
Subject: Developer Annoyance #1
In-Reply-To: <441A77A0.5070807@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <C03FBCD6.363AA%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Agreed about only the simplest commands illustrated.
Many is the time what I wanted to do was not covered.  Not even close.
I suppose if the dictionary was the great, all -encompassing resource, this
list would be much smaller and quieter.

I would be really lonely then.  As it is, now I can pretend I have friends.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 3/17/06 12:47 AM, "Arthur Urban" <aturban at qwest.net> wrote:

> I've discovered that the dictionary does not always tell the whole
> story. I'm sure it evaluates literals just fine, but it does not
> evaluate containers. Unfortunately the dictionary tends to illustrate
> the simplest of scenarios for a command, not the most likely ones you
> will find yourself using. :)
> 
> The dictionary entry for "send" says:
>> Any parameters are evaluated before they are passed to the send command. For
>> example, the following statement sends the mouseUp message with 2 as the
>> first parameter:
>> 
>>   send "mouseUp 1+1" to button "Example"
>>   




From PradeepKumar.MITTAL at insead.edu  Fri Mar 17 04:14:45 2006
From: PradeepKumar.MITTAL at insead.edu (MITTAL Pradeep Kumar)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:14:45 +0100
Subject: Integrating Revolution and Flash
Message-ID: <8CD3C97D72BC144CB87AEBAD8D2E973202DF1572@GAIA.FBL.insead.intra>

Hello,
 
Is there any way to integrate revolution and flash ? 
 
Some way of placing  Flash UI on top of Rev Card. 
On top of revolution Object (lets say button ) one can put the flash
button. And when one clicks then revoluion button script is called.
Rev can create the XML file and then XML Data can be sent to flash swf
and vice versa.
 
What do you think ? Is there anyone who has tried integrating rev an
flash?
 
Best Regards
Pradeep
 
 
 
 


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 17 04:21:59 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 01:21:59 -0800
Subject: Integrating Revolution and Flash
In-Reply-To: <8CD3C97D72BC144CB87AEBAD8D2E973202DF1572@GAIA.FBL.insead.intra>
Message-ID: <C03FBFB7.363AE%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Just a quick response for now, but take a look at AltBrowser2 by Altuit

from Chipp
For those of you who still have not taken a minute to tryout the
altBrowser2 demo all you have to do is launch Revolution and and copy
and paste the below script into your message box:

go URL "http://www.gadgetplugins.com/altbrowser/altBrowserLauncher.rev"



Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> Anyway, bravo to Chipp and team on a superb product, definitely worth
> the effort and you can't beat the price.

On 3/17/06 1:14 AM, "MITTAL Pradeep Kumar" <PradeepKumar.MITTAL at insead.edu>
wrote:

> Hello,
>  
> Is there any way to integrate revolution and flash ?
>  
> Some way of placing  Flash UI on top of Rev Card.
> On top of revolution Object (lets say button ) one can put the flash
> button. And when one clicks then revoluion button script is called.
> Rev can create the XML file and then XML Data can be sent to flash swf
> and vice versa.
>  
> What do you think ? Is there anyone who has tried integrating rev an
> flash?
>  
> Best Regards
> Pradeep




From 36degrees at runrev.com  Fri Mar 17 04:48:00 2006
From: 36degrees at runrev.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:48:00 +0000
Subject: set the graphic "G" to x,y,....
In-Reply-To: <4419E9B0.9060304@wanadoo.fr>
References: <4419AABB.1080508@fourthworld.com> <4419AFC3.3080406@sympatico.ca>
	<4419E86E.9040101@wanadoo.fr> <4419E9B0.9060304@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <FF0DDAD7-38D1-41B8-9455-BA9AA8BC7823@runrev.com>

Hi Thierry,

>> Hi all,
>>
>> Testing  Rev27 on Win32,  with my demoStack,
>> i found that the command :
>>
>>     set the graphic "G" to listPoints
>>
>> is 5 times slower on Rev27 than on  Rev21.
>>
>> because, i'm using this command in a loop it's really not too  
>> good :-(
>>
>> the anti-aliasing is off.
>>
>> Does anyone saw that and has a clue or is this a bug ?
>>
>> Regards,
>> thierry

We've noticed this here too and are looking into it. I've filed bug  
3397 about it for reference.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

------------------------------------------------------------------
  Mark Waddingham ~ 36degrees at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com
        Runtime Revolution ~ User-Centric Development Tools





From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Fri Mar 17 04:58:03 2006
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 01:58:03 -0800
Subject: Developer Annoyance #1
In-Reply-To: <441A77A0.5070807@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <C03FC82B.192FB%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

On 3/17/06 12:47 AM, "Arthur Urban" <aturban at qwest.net> wrote:

> I'm sure it evaluates literals just fine, but it does not
> evaluate containers.

This works here:

on mouseUp
  put 1 into t
  send "foo t,t+1"
end mouseUp

on foo
  ask the params
end foo


Do you have a counter-example?

-- Dick




From katir at hindu.org  Fri Mar 17 06:16:09 2006
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 01:16:09 -1000
Subject: DRM for Images and Text in Stacks
In-Reply-To: <B690EC9E-DBEB-4EFC-B1FD-12C0D6925708@hindu.org>
References: <C033059A.371B8%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<B690EC9E-DBEB-4EFC-B1FD-12C0D6925708@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <A175C2AC-6034-4A88-B13E-B3876C173B64@hindu.org>

FYI, setting a customProp with the compressed image data actually  
increases the size of the stack if those images were resized to  
larger than their original incoming size (that's expected behavior)  
This presents somewhat of a conundrum. Since the import of a 3 X 5  
jpeg whose original resolution was 72 DPI  (all that is needed for  
the screen) and if is scaled up, storing it as image data (even  
compressed) bloats the stack. Since the "quest" is internet delivery,  
one is looking for the opposite effect: smaller stack sizes. So, one  
gets caught between a rock and a hard place: you want to deliver  
media efficiently but protect them from "theft" but then to protect  
them from theft you have to make a stack that is so big that delivery  
is difficult. hmmm...

I would still opt for a new feature to protect stacks in the IDE.  
Then you simply store images in a substack which are obviously  
unavailable if driven from a standalone player. Another developer  
then tries to open your substack in the IDE and he can't, without a  
password. You shouldn't need push the image data around thru hoops to  
get your DRM.

Without this, we are "stuck with PDF's" as a container for delivery  
of content where DRM is mission critical. We're not talking little  
gif graphics here but high end photos with strict copyright-usage  
issues.

Musings: PDF's are very efficient and one can set security on the  
images to block another Acrobat Professional user from accessing the  
"extract images" menu item (it will be dimmed), but this "act of  
protection" does not impact the size of the container...(the PDF  
still has the images stored in "lo-quality" jpg form). So I'm looking  
to see how that model can be implemented in Rev, but efficiently in  
terms of the final stack file size. The name of the game is getting  
from the vertical rect of the old print world to the horizontal rect  
of the digital revolution. It's actually a very hard nut to crack.

  We recently exported some Key notes with embedded media to Power  
Point: file sizes were so large that internet delivery was  
unthinkable. one would have to put them on DVD disk and sell them to  
cover costs. We are just interested in deploying content, not making  
money on most of this content, and would rather avoid the whole burn  
it, package it, warehouse it, catalog it, sell it, cycle.  We're  
looking into recording the screen thru a whole presentation and  
turning these into movies, but for a full 600X800 rect the  
resulting.mov file will also be enormous, even as an MPEG or h.264...  
It means burning disks again, and packaged-postal delivery. No matter  
how well you do this, that paradigm dramatically decreases  
distribution compared to a web download.

  I'm sitting there knowing full well that the same content deployed  
as a revolution stack could be packaged in 1/20 the space...or  
incrementally delivered in a few separate stacks...and the media  
wants to in the stack (at least photos)  and come very, very close to  
the equivalent files sizes for the same content packaged as PDF's.  
(if not smaller)  Besides-- the compress and decompress thing was  
very sluggish... So secure PDF's of printed pages with vertical  
orientation still rules... and users must scroll and zoom and scroll  
and zoom and scroll and zoom.....there is a lot of resistance to this  
among a certain strata of users... InDesign has some great export to  
XML options and with a little standardization on templates in Rev, it  
would not be hard parse a print magazine article-page file and get it  
all repackaged into a horizontal rect. But it comes back to DRM- 
security on the images or substack. Without that, the exercise is  
pointless.

OK , 'nuf said... I'm copying this to support at Rev as a feature  
request. Oh... and text wrap around photos would also be dynamite!

Sivakatirswami
Himalayan Academy Publications
at Kauai's Hindu Monastery
katir at hindu.org

www.HimalayanAcademy.com,
www.HinduismToday.com
www.Gurudeva.org
www.Hindu.org


On Mar 07, 2006, at 9:05 AM, Sivakatirswami wrote:

>>
>> Here's a simple example using compress/decompress:
>>
>> SETUP:
>> set the uStuff of this card to compress(the imageData of img 1)
>> put "" into img 1
>>
>> PLAYBACK:
>> set the imageData of img 1 to decompress(the uStuff of this card)



From mark at maseurope.net  Fri Mar 17 06:22:45 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:22:45 +0000
Subject: Developer Annoyance #1
In-Reply-To: <C03FC82B.192FB%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
References: <C03FC82B.192FB%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
Message-ID: <6A9BFCB0-A422-4AF2-9204-F90977937AA4@maseurope.net>

I may be misunderstanding the problem, but is it really a message  
passing problem?

This, in a buttons script will fail:

on mouseUp
   put "1+2" into n1
   put "2+2" into n2
   calc n1,n2
   put the result
end mouseUp

on calc n1,n2
   return n1 + n2
end calc

So if you pass quoted expressions to a handler as parameters, they  
don't get evaluated in the handler unless you evaluate them yourself:

on calc n1,n2
   return value(n1) + value(n2)
end calc

Mark


On 17 Mar 2006, at 09:58, Dick Kriesel wrote:

> On 3/17/06 12:47 AM, "Arthur Urban" <aturban at qwest.net> wrote:
>
>> I'm sure it evaluates literals just fine, but it does not
>> evaluate containers.
>
> This works here:
>
> on mouseUp
>   put 1 into t
>   send "foo t,t+1"
> end mouseUp
>
> on foo
>   ask the params
> end foo
>
>
> Do you have a counter-example?
>
> -- Dick
>
>
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From rjb at robelko.com  Fri Mar 17 06:42:41 2006
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:42:41 +0100
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <C03F8B1C.36383%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C03F8B1C.36383%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <a06110403c0404ff027be@[192.168.1.104]>

>Perhaps using
>
>set the wholematches to true
>put lineOffset("on" && pHandlerName, pScript) into tStart
>if tStart is 0 then put lineOffset("function" && pHandlerName, pScript) into
>tStart
>put (lineOffset("end" && pHandlerName, pScript) +1 into tEnd
>
>
>answer tStart & cr & tEnd
>
>Jim Ault
>Las Vegas
>

Unfortunately, wholematches can't be used, at least for the first 
lineoffset, because there are likely some parameters further in that 
line. The alternative to lineOffset is to use regex.

A truly generic function would need to know whether it searches for 
command or function, because it is possible to have one of each with 
the same name.

Robert


From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Fri Mar 17 07:06:55 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:06:55 +0000
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <a06110403c0404ff027be@[192.168.1.104]>
References: <C03F8B1C.36383%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<a06110403c0404ff027be@[192.168.1.104]>
Message-ID: <1BF42D94-68EC-46A1-8F34-334C5AACCBC6@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

Of course none of the solutions so far work if the function is  
commented out. To make the code 100% foolproof is a lot of work. I  
was doing something similar and found that comments made life really  
difficult.

All the Best
Dave

On 17 Mar 2006, at 11:42, Robert Brenstein wrote:

>> Perhaps using
>>
>> set the wholematches to true
>> put lineOffset("on" && pHandlerName, pScript) into tStart
>> if tStart is 0 then put lineOffset("function" && pHandlerName,  
>> pScript) into
>> tStart
>> put (lineOffset("end" && pHandlerName, pScript) +1 into tEnd
>>
>>
>> answer tStart & cr & tEnd
>>
>> Jim Ault
>> Las Vegas
>>
>
> Unfortunately, wholematches can't be used, at least for the first  
> lineoffset, because there are likely some parameters further in  
> that line. The alternative to lineOffset is to use regex.
>
> A truly generic function would need to know whether it searches for  
> command or function, because it is possible to have one of each  
> with the same name.
>
> Robert
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From mark at maseurope.net  Fri Mar 17 07:19:29 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:19:29 +0000
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <1BF42D94-68EC-46A1-8F34-334C5AACCBC6@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <C03F8B1C.36383%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<a06110403c0404ff027be@[192.168.1.104]>
	<1BF42D94-68EC-46A1-8F34-334C5AACCBC6@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <134E87F1-7BB2-4AD7-AE32-7E8BBC753053@maseurope.net>

Commenting would only affect things if the wholeMatches is set to  
true - normally, lineOffset will get the right line even if it's  
commented out, no?

Mark

On 17 Mar 2006, at 12:06, David Burgun wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Of course none of the solutions so far work if the function is  
> commented out. To make the code 100% foolproof is a lot of work. I  
> was doing something similar and found that comments made life  
> really difficult.
>
> All the Best
> Dave
>
> On 17 Mar 2006, at 11:42, Robert Brenstein wrote:
>
>>> Perhaps using
>>>
>>> set the wholematches to true
>>> put lineOffset("on" && pHandlerName, pScript) into tStart
>>> if tStart is 0 then put lineOffset("function" && pHandlerName,  
>>> pScript) into
>>> tStart
>>> put (lineOffset("end" && pHandlerName, pScript) +1 into tEnd
>>>
>>>
>>> answer tStart & cr & tEnd
>>>
>>> Jim Ault
>>> Las Vegas
>>>
>>
>> Unfortunately, wholematches can't be used, at least for the first  
>> lineoffset, because there are likely some parameters further in  
>> that line. The alternative to lineOffset is to use regex.
>>
>> A truly generic function would need to know whether it searches  
>> for command or function, because it is possible to have one of  
>> each with the same name.
>>
>> Robert
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From liamlambert at mac.com  Fri Mar 17 07:22:24 2006
From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:22:24 +0000
Subject: Report Builder
Message-ID: <6DA163C5-8BA3-4BEE-8801-67D8D8342935@mac.com>

How do I add Report Builder to the tool menu in 2.7
It is there in a file ToolSet but does not show up in the
tool menu
thanks
Liam Lambert
liamlambert at mac.com
IRELAND




From mlange at lexicall.org  Fri Mar 17 07:44:16 2006
From: mlange at lexicall.org (Marielle Lange)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:44:16 +0000
Subject: Making the move...
Message-ID: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>

> The missing link is the killer app made with it.  RoR was virtually  
> unheard of before BaseCamp took off, showing the world how powerful  
> and flexible RoR is.  If we had an app of similar scope and appeal  
> I have no doubt that as long as the engine is free for such uses  
> and the scripts are open source it would attract considerable  
> attention.

The possibilities have been there for about 10 years.

So why is it that Java is now in position 1 and Ruby in position 22  
of the most popular programming languages and that none of xtalk,  
hypertalk, transcript is mentioned anwhere in the 100 most popular  
ones (though RealBasic and SmallTalk are)?
http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm

Yes, runrev product is great in the sense that it is easier to use by  
beginner programmers than many other things on the market. It is also  
great in the sense that it let advanced programmers do more in less  
time (but not necessarily *better*). It is also great in the sense  
that it let you do out of the box what would take hours if not days  
to set up in other environments.

On this list, all discussions always come back to the same thing.  
This product is so great, this is so evident that everybody should  
adopt it... Runrev too has appeared to think that  to have a great  
product is enough and they had to do nothing but let it sell itself.  
I am afraid, to have a great product is not enough.

What you get with Java, Ruby, Ajax that you don't get with runrev is  
the following.


1) Re-usable LIBRARIES.

Honestly what I have read recently on how revolution is so much  
superior to Director or Java is just a *BIG* joke. Agreed, revolution  
let  you write stuff rapidly. But you have to write the same stuff  
again and again and again and again. But what java does is let you  
write it ONCE and REUSE it again and again and again.


2) Rich and easy to access documentation

If you want to use a java library written by somebody else, simple,  
you get access to the API online and you know what method to call and  
how. You don't need to know *anything* about the inner workings of  
the library. Why is it? Because some some conventions have been  
created which let you comment your script in a very efficient way,  
where the API doc can be automatically generated from these comments.  
http://java.sun.com/j2se/javadoc/. There is *NOTHING* even close to  
this in revolution. Here, if you want to find your way through  
revolution it is by checking up the list as much as you can and post  
your questions on the list (which is an important problem for non  
English speaking persons). These nice little chats on the list are  
without doubt helping both the sender and the receiver feel very good  
about themselves, so priviledged to be in such a great community.  
Let's face it. This way of doing is plain inefficient compared to the  
way of doing in ruby or java communities.


3) Member's sense of investment in making their work freely available

Yes, you can do fantastic stuff with revolution. But you have to  
start from zero and do everything by yourself.
Because of all the effort, it is only worth it if you plan to sell  
your application to a small numbers of high-paying clients.

So Richard, why is it that sourceforge project you are admin of is  
still empty? It was registered in 2001.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/opn-repository
"A project to create a publicly accessible library of handlers for  
the xTalk family of languages. The immediate aim of this project is  
to create a robust library of handlers for the cross platform  
Metacard/RunRev xTalk family of products."
I had a chance to see David's (Bovil) library of handlers: Very  
impressive.

So, Lynch, if you have written such nice and reusable libraries for  
providing better table objects, why not share it with others? Maybe  
then, rather than have each one of us repeat your work, we may be  
able to start, collaboratively, construct tools of this quality:
http://jcharts.sourceforge.net/samples/bar.html
http://big.faceless.org/products/graph/index.jsp
http://www.jfree.org/jfreechart/samples.php
http://www.eteks.com/jeks/index.html
http://www.thechiselgroup.org/projects


4) Structure that encourages and facilitates collaboration

You can, in fact turn your work into reusable libraries, with a bit  
of experience in writing such stacks. People like Eric, Scott, and  
many others have very generously contributed high quality demo  
stacks, but the number of libraries available is just ridiculous  
compared to the ones on rubyforge/sourceforge. In sharp contrast with  
the ruby and java community, these libraries are not shared, there is  
nothing like rubyforge or sourceforge where you can easily provide  
information about your project and receive feedback on them. There is  
nothing like rubyforge or sourceforge where you can get to know of  
the existing projects and get to propose your collaboration.

On top, though it is possible to write libraries, there are aspects  
of the transcript languages which don't really make it pratical to  
consider flexibly using 20-100 libaries. Scott Raney recognized this  
and was apparently planning to work on it. Hence, another *very*  
important paragraph on the Metacard annoucement page (http:// 
www.metacard.com/pi5.html) was:
"The MetaTalk language will also be extended to provide a more full  
featured object-oriented programming environment, which will allow  
development of larger-scale applications with MetaCard. The key  
tenants of object-oriented programming - encapsulation, polymorphism,  
and inheritance - are already available in the MetaTalk language, but  
must be extended before MetaCard will be as appropriate for large  
multi-developer projects as it is for the single-user projects that  
are presently its forte. "

In sharp contrast with the work initiated and planned by S. Raney,  
what I have witnessed over the years is a readiness from runrev to  
punish the ones who had made significant contributions to the  
community. Richmond was banished for his views on opensource. Ken's  
stackrunner has been recently not outlawed. Xavier was attacked for  
preferring to use  a product  -- metacard -- that authorizes the  
creation of true open source resource... without any "not allowed to  
do anything that could be interpreted as competition" clause. I have  
heard that despite an official discourse of authorizing freeGui,  
another open source project, Kevin in fact contacted Alain Farmer to  
ask him to stop... or at least make sure it was not too successful.


5) Equalitarian system where the contribution of each person is  
valued the same way

In rubyforge, sourceforge, what counts in the quality of the library.  
There is little information about the professional status of the  
persons involved in each project. Profit and non-profit have the same  
opportunity to have their initiative noticed. There is revonline, but  
it's really nothing compared to rubyforge or sourceforge and there is  
a 10MB limit anyway so you cannot really post anything but toy  
projects there.  As a result, members don't get a chance to get to  
benefit from excellent open source resources already developed by non  
profit members. FYI, in reality, something as good as google earth  
has been realised long ago in our community. It has been advertised  
on our lists. But this person didn't present himself as a  
professional... because he was not one and he apparently largelly  
ignored.  http://ddm.geo.umass.edu/. The excellent work of Jim Hurley  
and others have suffered similar fates.



A problem, though, is that implementing 1-5 is not adequate with a  
marketing model like the one adopted with Metacard. In fact, a killer  
app like the one outlined above is not meant to appear with that  
marketing model. This is because metacard was originally targeted  to  
a market not interested in this. Because Metacard forced you to pay a  
high entry cost both in terms of money and time for self-learning,  
the best approach, for anybody who paid that entry cost was to aim at  
selling his apps to a small number of clients, develop a rich set of  
libraries for yourself and avoid your possible competitors to get to  
know too much about the libraries you developed.

But now, there is a new marketing strategy of a low entry price,  
which will attract more and more people from a non profit background.

However, keeping both ends of the market appear impossible to me.

In the absence of any work done to address 1-4, this will only create  
crises, like we have seen with Richmond, Xavier, and I guess myself.  
But because runrev is apparently keen to keep the clients interested  
in the metacard line of product, addressing 1-5 will create  
difficulties with these clients. You cannot really charge your client  
for hours of hard work when your client is well aware that a library  
already exist that do all the work.

There is a conundrum that needs to be solved.

Applications like Basecamp will not be built with tools that present  
such a conundrum. At least, I know for myself that I have now decided  
to turn to options other than runrev to develop projects that could  
have given that level of visibility to runrev products.... Despite  
the fact that I consider runrev product to be the very best option to  
realize my project, technically speaking, I have decided to keep away  
from it *because* of that conundrum.


My only hope now is to hear that Lynn has joined runrev. Information  
on the web seems to indicate Lynn has good experience providing  
businesses with guidance to help them become more successful. I have  
read that he spent some time working in Japan. I bet he is familiar  
with the Kaizen method of continuous incremental improvements is an  
originally Japanese management concept for incremental (gradual,  
continuous) change (improvement). This Kaizen philosophy lies behind  
many Japanese management concepts such as Total Quality Control,  
Quality Control circles, small group activities, labor relations. Key  
elements of Kaizen are quality, effort, involvement of all employees,  
willingness to change, and communication.
http://www.futureshock.co.za/Kaizen.htm
http://www.graphicproducts.com/tutorials/kaizen/kaizen-benefits.php

You will notice that RubyForge and SourceForge in a sense are an  
implementation of the Kaizen methods. That's why progress is so fast  
there.


I  heard the Kaizen method has done wonders here in Scotland:
Kaizen Resultant Gets Lean Government Results in Scotland
By Jon Miller - February 12, 2006 04:23 AM
In Lean government news, kaizen is taking place in the Scottish  
government according to the Scotsman online news. An article titled  
The Man Who Would Save Scottish Industry on Sunday profiled kaizen  
consultant, excuse me, resultant Stuart Ross. Mr. Ross has been doing  
good work with kaizen not only in Scottish industry but is also  
bringing Lean government to Scotland.
http://www.gembapantarei.com/2006/02/ 
kaizen_resultant_gets_lean_government_results_in_scotland.html

You know the best, this super resultant, Scott Ross, has a hearing  
disability. An excellent lesson of the benefits there are to include  
everyone.


I am impatient to see how Lynn will use his experience and expertise  
to introduce incremental changes. Runrev active involvement in  
Monterey's  conference was in my view an excellent omen. But there is  
still that conundrum to solve. I am curious to see how runrev will  
get out of it.
	

Marielle


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From jerry at daniels-mara.com  Fri Mar 17 07:58:11 2006
From: jerry at daniels-mara.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 06:58:11 -0600
Subject: Pass - is it really needed
In-Reply-To: <441A6755.2060303@chipp.com>
References: <8FF5068C-4B6D-4CB8-BA50-B6C418BC9B08@adelphia.net>	<441A4779.1090501@hyperactivesw.com>
	<F91D7562-B111-4BDE-9A68-6283C3EA6BA8@adelphia.net>
	<441A6755.2060303@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <AEE25B9A-694C-44CD-898D-B6E801DEFB63@daniels-mara.com>

I would like Constellation to read my mind and KNOW when to put in a  
pass and when not.

Jerry

Buy Constellation from Runtime Revolution!
http://revstudio.runrev.com/section/revselect/constellation/



On Mar 17, 2006, at 1:37 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Yep, I'd prefer Constellation not place a 'pass' automatically in  
> handlers. I'm sure Jerry will add it as a preference some day :-)
>
> -Chipp
>
> But, you gotta love the tabbed browsing AND the GREAT debugger  
> which doesn't flake out for no apparent reason. Jerry's told me  
> he's worked really hard on making the debugger as robust as  
> possible..and it shows.
>
> Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>> That is correct. I finally see how powerful Constellation is in  
>> my  work flow.
>> On Mar 17, 2006, at 12:22 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>>> Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>>>
>>>> The reason I ask is that when I insert a new command it throws  
>>>> in  a  pass with that commands name by default.
>>>
>>>
>>> This isn't native Revolution behavior. Are you using Constellation?
>
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From mvreade at earthlink.net  Fri Mar 17 10:31:55 2006
From: mvreade at earthlink.net (mvreade at earthlink.net)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:31:55 -0500
Subject: Is the list down?
In-Reply-To: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>
Message-ID: <9AD74508-38D3-44C4-A33A-6EC41EB15D8A@earthlink.net>


Haven't seen any posts in 2+ hours...


From rcozens at pon.net  Fri Mar 17 10:46:18 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:46:18 -0800
Subject: [OT] Major Flood in Kauai - Swami??
In-Reply-To: <8083994B-4B3B-49A5-90CE-2FCFED93EA3D@hindu.org>
References: <20060315180004.23F3082638F@mail.runrev.com>
	<44187281.9030805@fourthworld.com> <441893AA.3070407@chipp.com>
	<31e1938c0603151459s4a8b4f16n24e508ae63758cd8@mail.gmail.com>
	<425B1B3B-FB08-4DA7-B091-588A7D615D2D@easynet.fr>
	<p06230931c03e52741e06@[192.168.1.103]>
	<8083994B-4B3B-49A5-90CE-2FCFED93EA3D@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <2CD41FCA-B5CD-11DA-8980-0030657E1638@pon.net>

All,

> The salinity measurements between the tropical latitudes has spiked, 
> so, all that evaporated water..it's got to come down somewhere... 
> someone said they had 24 free of snow in the midwest somewhere...never 
> happened before in their lifetime.   It's happening folks; we were 
> warned... this list is not the place to say more, suffice it to say: 
> the show begins.
>

I've seen the PowerPoint presentation on ocean warming that was 
presented to the U.S. Congress by Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute, 
and predict we'll be experiencing more and increasingly severe bad 
weather in the future.

Rob Cozens, Staff Conservator
Mendonoma Marine Life Conservancy

"[T]he international community would require us to prove to them that 
the climate change is adversely affecting us and what impacts it might 
have on our economics and what steps can be taken by us before they 
might consider to act.  This is arrogance at its worst....  We are 
where we are because of the excessive consumption needs and greed of 
the developed and more powerful countries.  They, the developed 
countries, must accept their responsibility and take the consequences 
of their actions on others more seriously."

  -- Bikenibeu Paeniu, Prime Minister of the atoll nation of Tuvalu, 1998

From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Fri Mar 17 10:57:37 2006
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:57:37 -0800
Subject: The long answer on when to use a function vs command
In-Reply-To: <1A0956C4-8524-461D-81AE-7450C3FF06D5@adelphia.net>
References: <1A0956C4-8524-461D-81AE-7450C3FF06D5@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <50B19029-6706-422C-8568-E1446B9535E9@inspiredlogic.com>


On Mar 14, 2006, at 8:31 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> Can someone give the long answer on when is it best to use a  
> function versus a command? I have a lot to write of both commands  
> and functions and have been overly confusing myself. Please give at  
> least two examples each with parameters and how to call/use them.

I wrote an article about this. It's at:

http://inspiredlogic.com/articles/functions.html

It gives several examples.

I can summarize it as: Functions Good, Handlers Bad (much of the  
time). ;-)

regards,

Geoff


From livfoss at mac.com  Fri Mar 17 11:02:17 2006
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:02:17 +0100
Subject: How does 'Create Folder' give its result?
Message-ID: <D9ECEDB0-DDF6-41B1-8726-A9E92E6A5704@mac.com>

Thanks to all who replied about this. I think Jacque must have been  
right about my somehow delaying looking at 'the result' - it really  
happened but now I can't reproduce it. Anyway, Jim Ault's suggestion

> Try this snippet and see what you get
>
>  create folder "cde:/illegal:name/"
>   get the result
>   if it is not empty then
>     beep
>     put it
>     answer error it -->"can't create that directory"
>   end if

Worked exactly as advertised. So what I described was an unexplained  
glitch, possibly something to do with the IDE. The cause of the error  
in the first place is something of a mystery to me, and I wondered if  
it was something to do with the way the RR engine translates path  
strings from Unix-style to Windows-style on the fly. As happens to me  
all too often, a search of the documentation didn't reveal anything  
about this...

Richard G asked

> The hard part is determining exactly what went wrong.  When a file or
> folder creation error happens, in most cases all the result says is
> "can't create file" or "can't create folder" with no further
> explanation.  How do you advise your users?
Basically, I tell them to pick a folder for themselves rather than  
letting the app create one for them, as it's failed to do this. It's  
a crude approach and I'm not sure how it's going to play when the  
public (UK teachers) gets hold of it. It's about to go on a  
controlled beta, so we'll see.

As to 'try', as suggested by Stephen Barncard apparently is  
inappropriate. I've never used 'try', so I might do so in another  
context if I can get my head round it (reading about it once wasn't  
enough for me to get the idea, but I learn more slowly these days). I  
guess it comes from a context I don't know.

Graham
----------------------------------------
Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France



From a.calloway at callowaygreen.com  Fri Mar 17 11:11:02 2006
From: a.calloway at callowaygreen.com (Andy Calloway)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:11:02 -0000
Subject: Is the list down?
In-Reply-To: <9AD74508-38D3-44C4-A33A-6EC41EB15D8A@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <009201c649dd$63a92f70$0200a8c0@ACERLaptop>

St. Patrick's day, we're all drunk. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> mvreade at earthlink.net
> Sent: 17 March 2006 15:32
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Is the list down?
> 
> 
> Haven't seen any posts in 2+ hours...
> _______________________________________________



From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Fri Mar 17 11:16:00 2006
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:16:00 -0800
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <38D6B541-DA1E-419F-B258-525DA4179819@adelphia.net>
References: <38D6B541-DA1E-419F-B258-525DA4179819@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <30F16774-926D-4118-BC47-26CE326028FD@inspiredlogic.com>


On Mar 16, 2006, at 5:25 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> But, I would like to get just one of the handlers from a script via  
> script:    put handler "FooBar" of the script of card "Foo" into tBar

Most of the solutions presented so far make assumptions. For example,  
there can be more than one space between "on" and the handler name.

In Navigator I use this to retrieve a list of the handler names:

repeat for each line L in tText -- tText is the script
   if word 1 of L is among the items of "on,function,getprop,setprop"  
then
     put L & cr after tMenuText
   end if
end repeat

So to get the handler you would be doing something like:

put 0 into tLineNumber
put false into tEnteredHandler
repeat for each line L in tText -- tText is the script
   add 1 to tLineNumber
   if word 1 of L is among the items of "on,function,getprop,setprop"  
and \
     word 2 of L is tHandlerName then
     put tLineNumber into tStartLineNumber
     put true into tEnteredHandler
   end if
   if tEnteredHandler and \
     word 1 of L is "end" and \
     word 2 of L is tHandlerName then
     put tLineNumber into tEndLineNumber
     exit repeat
   end if
end repeat

-- if tEnteredHandler is false, we didn't find the handler
-- if tEnteredHandler is true, tStartLineNumber is where it starts,
-- tEndLineNumber is where it ends

regards,

Geoff


From mvreade at earthlink.net  Fri Mar 17 11:18:48 2006
From: mvreade at earthlink.net (mvreade at earthlink.net)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:18:48 -0500
Subject: Is the list down?
In-Reply-To: <009201c649dd$63a92f70$0200a8c0@ACERLaptop>
References: <009201c649dd$63a92f70$0200a8c0@ACERLaptop>
Message-ID: <21E41070-2DED-4825-A851-5177ABC84BED@earthlink.net>

Oops, I forgot about that.  Let me run to my guiness.1


On Mar 17, 2006, at 11:11 AM, Andy Calloway wrote:

> St. Patrick's day, we're all drunk.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
>> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of
>> mvreade at earthlink.net
>> Sent: 17 March 2006 15:32
>> To: How to use Revolution
>> Subject: Is the list down?
>>
>>
>> Haven't seen any posts in 2+ hours...
>> _______________________________________________
>
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From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Fri Mar 17 11:23:12 2006
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:23:12 -0800
Subject: Developer Annoyance #1
In-Reply-To: <441A7080.5090701@qwest.net>
References: <C03F8F43.36386%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>	<3C4A0B54-2EF8-4352-BF3D-5ADC40FA14F9@mac.com>
	<441A5808.2040901@hyperactivesw.com> <441A7080.5090701@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <DD533365-6F21-4C84-8FE7-A91B2AF47508@inspiredlogic.com>

Not that I disagree with your syntax suggestion -- it looks good to  
me. But:

To avoid the problem stated below, change Jacque's code to:

   insert script of btn "source" into front
   put calc(varA,varB) into localResult
   remove script of btn "source" from front

That way nothing else can intercept the message.

I just posted in another thread an article I wrote on functions:

http://inspiredlogic.com/articles/functions.html

If your functions are written without side effects (they should be)  
then functions can be at whatever level of the message hierarchy they  
need to be, so the issue of how to call them becomes moot -- move  
them to the script of the mainstack if need be.

regards

Geoff


On Mar 17, 2006, at 12:17 AM, Arthur Urban wrote:

> Yeah, thought about that too, but I'm tired of accommodating  
> transcript's ideosyncracies. A language should accommodate the  
> developer at every turn. The problem I see with the solution below,  
> is that if any layer in the message path has an identically named  
> function, the one I want invoked will be intercepted early, and  
> screen the one I actually want. It also kinda obviates the entire  
> strategy of invoking a method in another object. :)
>
> You probably already considered these side-effects, but I spelled  
> them out for anybody else following along, trying to learn this  
> language.
>
> J. Landman Gay wrote:
>>
>> Or there's a really ugly way too, but it's short:
>>
>>   insert script of btn "source" into back
>>   put calc(varA,varB) into localResult
>>   remove script of btn "source" from back
>>
>> I know, I know...but it works.
>>
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From mvreade at earthlink.net  Fri Mar 17 11:46:05 2006
From: mvreade at earthlink.net (mvreade at earthlink.net)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:46:05 -0500
Subject: The long answer on when to use a function vs command
In-Reply-To: <50B19029-6706-422C-8568-E1446B9535E9@inspiredlogic.com>
References: <1A0956C4-8524-461D-81AE-7450C3FF06D5@adelphia.net>
	<50B19029-6706-422C-8568-E1446B9535E9@inspiredlogic.com>
Message-ID: <851A89D7-3A15-4749-BFB2-C8453D3300FF@earthlink.net>

Nice article. Thanks.


On Mar 17, 2006, at 10:57 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote:

>
> On Mar 14, 2006, at 8:31 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>
>> Can someone give the long answer on when is it best to use a  
>> function versus a command? I have a lot to write of both commands  
>> and functions and have been overly confusing myself. Please give  
>> at least two examples each with parameters and how to call/use them.
>
> I wrote an article about this. It's at:
>
> http://inspiredlogic.com/articles/functions.html
>
> It gives several examples.
>
> I can summarize it as: Functions Good, Handlers Bad (much of the  
> time). ;-)
>
> regards,
>
> Geoff
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 17 11:48:35 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:48:35 -0800
Subject: How does 'Create Folder' give its result?
In-Reply-To: <D9ECEDB0-DDF6-41B1-8726-A9E92E6A5704@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C0402863.363F0%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Another approach that might be better for you.


put "c:/oragamiFolder/" into pathh
create folder pathh
if there is not a folder pathh then
   answer "Hmm, " & pathh &"  does not exist"
end if


On 3/17/06 8:02 AM, "Graham Samuel" <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:

> Thanks to all who replied about this. I think Jacque must have been
> right about my somehow delaying looking at 'the result' - it really
> happened but now I can't reproduce it. Anyway, Jim Ault's suggestion
> 
>> Try this snippet and see what you get
>> 
>>  create folder "cde:/illegal:name/"
>>   get the result
>>   if it is not empty then
>>     beep
>>     put it
>>     answer error it -->"can't create that directory"
>>   end if
> 
> Worked exactly as advertised. So what I described was an unexplained
> glitch, possibly something to do with the IDE. The cause of the error
> in the first place is something of a mystery to me, and I wondered if
> it was something to do with the way the RR engine translates path
> strings from Unix-style to Windows-style on the fly. As happens to me
> all too often, a search of the documentation didn't reveal anything
> about this...
> 
> Richard G asked
> 
>> The hard part is determining exactly what went wrong.  When a file or
>> folder creation error happens, in most cases all the result says is
>> "can't create file" or "can't create folder" with no further
>> explanation.  How do you advise your users?
> Basically, I tell them to pick a folder for themselves rather than
> letting the app create one for them, as it's failed to do this. It's
> a crude approach and I'm not sure how it's going to play when the
> public (UK teachers) gets hold of it. It's about to go on a
> controlled beta, so we'll see.
> 
> As to 'try', as suggested by Stephen Barncard apparently is
> inappropriate. I've never used 'try', so I might do so in another
> context if I can get my head round it (reading about it once wasn't
> enough for me to get the idea, but I learn more slowly these days). I
> guess it comes from a context I don't know.
> 
> Graham
> ----------------------------------------
> Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France
> 
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Fri Mar 17 11:57:49 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:57:49 -0800
Subject: DRM for Images and Text in Stacks
In-Reply-To: <A175C2AC-6034-4A88-B13E-B3876C173B64@hindu.org>
References: <C033059A.371B8%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<B690EC9E-DBEB-4EFC-B1FD-12C0D6925708@hindu.org>
	<A175C2AC-6034-4A88-B13E-B3876C173B64@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <p06230911c0409a9571b5@[192.168.1.103]>

Why can't you protect the access online to the files on a secure 
server rather than try to protect the media? Who or what are the 'bad 
guys'??

sqb


>FYI, setting a customProp with the compressed image data actually 
>increases the size of the stack if those images were resized to 
>larger than their original incoming size (that's expected behavior) 
>This presents somewhat of a conundrum. Since the import of a 3 X 5 
>jpeg whose original resolution was 72 DPI  (all that is needed for 
>the screen) and if is scaled up, storing it as image data (even 
>compressed) bloats the stack. Since the "quest" is internet 
>delivery, one is looking for the opposite effect: smaller stack 
>sizes. So, one gets caught between a rock and a hard place: you want 
>to deliver media efficiently but protect them from "theft" but then 
>to protect them from theft you have to make a stack that is so big 
>that delivery is difficult. hmmm...
>
>I would still opt for a new feature to protect stacks in the IDE. Then you
>Sivakatirswami

-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -


From johnpatten at mac.com  Fri Mar 17 12:02:22 2006
From: johnpatten at mac.com (John Patten)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:02:22 -0800
Subject: AltBrowser 2.0 Extension and Web 2.0 Web Apps?
Message-ID: <13807630.1142614943060.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>

Hi all And Chip...

I had a question regarding Chip's AltBrowser 2.0 external...

Is it possible to use the external with web sites such as Writely (www.writely.com)?  I attempted using the demo browser in the new 2.0 version and was not successful. On the Windows version, it would kill Rev, and with the Mac it would bring up the page, allow login, but you could not edit anything (change text style, font, etc.)

My guess is maybe this is due to the fact that Writely opens up multiple windows and AltBrowser 2.0 does not support sites with multiple windows...??? Or, maybe the demo browser doesn't...?

Can anyone shed any light on using AltBrowser with something like Writley?

Thank you!

John Patten
Sylvan Union School District


From mark at maseurope.net  Fri Mar 17 12:09:57 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:09:57 +0000
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <30F16774-926D-4118-BC47-26CE326028FD@inspiredlogic.com>
References: <38D6B541-DA1E-419F-B258-525DA4179819@adelphia.net>
	<30F16774-926D-4118-BC47-26CE326028FD@inspiredlogic.com>
Message-ID: <786E7FF8-BD8A-4300-A420-82CB1D1AC0C2@maseurope.net>

Lucid and thorough, as usual. And we'd all forgotten about 'Prop'  
handlers.
However, to nitpick, and raise a question from earlier in the thread,  
what about handlers that are commented out?

hmmm..not as simple as it might seem...

Mark

On 17 Mar 2006, at 16:16, Geoff Canyon wrote:

>
> On Mar 16, 2006, at 5:25 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>
>> But, I would like to get just one of the handlers from a script  
>> via script:    put handler "FooBar" of the script of card "Foo"  
>> into tBar
>
> Most of the solutions presented so far make assumptions. For  
> example, there can be more than one space between "on" and the  
> handler name.
>
> In Navigator I use this to retrieve a list of the handler names:
>
> repeat for each line L in tText -- tText is the script
>   if word 1 of L is among the items of  
> "on,function,getprop,setprop" then
>     put L & cr after tMenuText
>   end if
> end repeat
>
> So to get the handler you would be doing something like:
>
> put 0 into tLineNumber
> put false into tEnteredHandler
> repeat for each line L in tText -- tText is the script
>   add 1 to tLineNumber
>   if word 1 of L is among the items of  
> "on,function,getprop,setprop" and \
>     word 2 of L is tHandlerName then
>     put tLineNumber into tStartLineNumber
>     put true into tEnteredHandler
>   end if
>   if tEnteredHandler and \
>     word 1 of L is "end" and \
>     word 2 of L is tHandlerName then
>     put tLineNumber into tEndLineNumber
>     exit repeat
>   end if
> end repeat
>
> -- if tEnteredHandler is false, we didn't find the handler
> -- if tEnteredHandler is true, tStartLineNumber is where it starts,
> -- tEndLineNumber is where it ends
>
> regards,
>
> Geoff
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From darkshadow1 at metrocast.net  Fri Mar 17 12:25:25 2006
From: darkshadow1 at metrocast.net (Preston Shea)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:25:25 -0500
Subject: Rev 2.7 needs to close
Message-ID: <000801c649e7$c85a4530$6401a8c0@toshibauser>

My Rev Studio 2 quits unexpectedly about once an hour. This seems to happen only when selecting or moving text in a script. Has anyone else experienced this waker-upper and is there a way to avoid it. I'm getting kinda old for this s**t !

From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 17 12:37:52 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:37:52 -0800
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <786E7FF8-BD8A-4300-A420-82CB1D1AC0C2@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <C04033F0.363F8%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Also consider there is more than one way to legally comment out lines of
code.  The author should choose and be consistent.

I used to have a routine in HCard that would find all the
"on,  function,  --on , --function" handlers & "global" declaration lines in
a stack script container and build a directory at the top of that script
container for all stacksinuse.  This way I could print the first page and
have them documented.

As you may recall, HCard had a 32K script container limit and the workaround
was to do several 'stacksinuse' to build a working library.

-- comment
# comment

/*
... block of comments
on thisFunction val

end thisFunction val

on thisOther val

end thisOther val
*/

If I were to do this on a consistent basis, I would copy each of my stacks
into 'mysearchscript' folder, then use BBEdit file search and RegEx to Find
All in that folder of stacks, then scan the search result, double clicking
the hit line to go to that code.  This works because the scripts in a stack
are visible.  What you do not get is what object has the code, and you do
get a few false or ghost hits.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 3/17/06 9:09 AM, "Mark Smith" <mark at maseurope.net> wrote:

> Lucid and thorough, as usual. And we'd all forgotten about 'Prop'
> handlers.
> However, to nitpick, and raise a question from earlier in the thread,
> what about handlers that are commented out?
> 
> hmmm..not as simple as it might seem...
> 
> Mark
> 
> On 17 Mar 2006, at 16:16, Geoff Canyon wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Mar 16, 2006, at 5:25 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>> 
>>> But, I would like to get just one of the handlers from a script
>>> via script:    put handler "FooBar" of the script of card "Foo"
>>> into tBar
>> 
>> Most of the solutions presented so far make assumptions. For
>> example, there can be more than one space between "on" and the
>> handler name.
>> 
>> In Navigator I use this to retrieve a list of the handler names:
>> 
>> repeat for each line L in tText -- tText is the script
>>   if word 1 of L is among the items of
>> "on,function,getprop,setprop" then
>>     put L & cr after tMenuText
>>   end if
>> end repeat
>> 
>> So to get the handler you would be doing something like:
>> 
>> put 0 into tLineNumber
>> put false into tEnteredHandler
>> repeat for each line L in tText -- tText is the script
>>   add 1 to tLineNumber
>>   if word 1 of L is among the items of
>> "on,function,getprop,setprop" and \
>>     word 2 of L is tHandlerName then
>>     put tLineNumber into tStartLineNumber
>>     put true into tEnteredHandler
>>   end if
>>   if tEnteredHandler and \
>>     word 1 of L is "end" and \
>>     word 2 of L is tHandlerName then
>>     put tLineNumber into tEndLineNumber
>>     exit repeat
>>   end if
>> end repeat
>> 
>> -- if tEnteredHandler is false, we didn't find the handler
>> -- if tEnteredHandler is true, tStartLineNumber is where it starts,
>> -- tEndLineNumber is where it ends
>> 
>> regards,
>> 
>> Geoff
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From userev at canelasoftware.com  Fri Mar 17 13:21:21 2006
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:21:21 -0800
Subject: Icon for OS X compiled .app not showing :-(
In-Reply-To: <441A4BF5.9040403@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4167e2f54e13e2a9de140cb5f066e356@wanadoo.fr>	<a06110426c03f5456acf5@[141.89.100.174]>
	<4419FA29.50708@paraboliclogic.com>
	<441A4BF5.9040403@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <7F5B7BE4-5679-4E8D-9A22-4081FF832B2B@canelasoftware.com>


On Mar 16, 2006, at 9:41 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Garrett Hylltun wrote:
>
>> But after the standalone was saved, the icons I made are not being  
>> used at all for the .app in finder.  It's using the default icon  
>> from OS X as if mine didn't exist or something.
>
> As you know now, Mark's suggestion works. So does zipping and then  
> unzipping the standalone, which is what I always used to do. But  
> the coolest trick was just posted here within the last week or so,  
> and I thought it was Mark Talluto's trick too (if I remember  
> right.) Anyway, you do a "get info" on the file, select the icon,  
> and choose "Delete" from the Edit menu. Bingo. I have now changed  
> my ways.

I seem to change my method every few months.  I know use the Path  
Finder's touch command to get things straight.  Who knows what method  
will be used in a few months.  Maybe I'll write a plugin to do the  
job for me.  :)


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From chris at altuit.com  Fri Mar 17 13:23:29 2006
From: chris at altuit.com (chris bohnert)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:23:29 -0600
Subject: AltBrowser 2.0 Extension and Web 2.0 Web Apps?
In-Reply-To: <13807630.1142614943060.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>
References: <13807630.1142614943060.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>
Message-ID: <441AFEA1.20206@altuit.com>

Hi John,

  I just tried this with writely and the altbrowser demo and was able to 
login and create a new document on both the mac an pc.  I'm using XP/OS 
10.4.5 in rev 2.6.1.

I launched the demo..clicked "launch browser" on the first card and then 
went directly to "http://www.writely.com".

You can get us directly at support at altuit.com or me in particular at 
chris at altuit.com.

--
cb

John Patten wrote:
> Hi all And Chip...
>
> I had a question regarding Chip's AltBrowser 2.0 external...
>
> Is it possible to use the external with web sites such as Writely (www.writely.com)?  I attempted using the demo browser in the new 2.0 version and was not successful. On the Windows version, it would kill Rev, and with the Mac it would bring up the page, allow login, but you could not edit anything (change text style, font, etc.)
>
> My guess is maybe this is due to the fact that Writely opens up multiple windows and AltBrowser 2.0 does not support sites with multiple windows...??? Or, maybe the demo browser doesn't...?
>
> Can anyone shed any light on using AltBrowser with something like Writley?
>
> Thank you!
>
> John Patten
> Sylvan Union School District
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From userev at canelasoftware.com  Fri Mar 17 13:26:30 2006
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:26:30 -0800
Subject: Draw spokes on a wheel
Message-ID: <5FB1A45C-F6E6-4033-8236-AB90C57C9D30@canelasoftware.com>

Hello everyone,

I need a little help drawing spokes to a wheel.  This is actually  
used in a vision test.  I have an image here to help illustrate the  
madness.  I am sure someone like Jim Ault is shaking his head right  
now.  <http://www.canelasoftware.com/pub/rev/astig.jpg>

I have been using an image, but would like to offer the ability to  
adjust the line length and thickness.  The new antialiasing feature  
will also be handy.  Thanks for any input.


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Mar 17 13:26:42 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:26:42 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>
Message-ID: <17995335415.20060317102642@ahsoftware.net>

Marielle-

Friday, March 17, 2006, 4:44:16 AM, you wrote:

> many Japanese management concepts such as Total Quality Control,
> Quality Control circles, small group activities, labor relations. Key
> elements of Kaizen are quality, effort, involvement of all employees,
> willingness to change, and communication.

Having been involved with Total Quality initiatives, Quality Control
Circles, etc, on this side of the pond I can say from experience that
they are doomed to failure because of underlying cultural differences.
Labor and social relationships are not structured in western societies
to provide the level of trust and support required to allow them to be
effective.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From userev at canelasoftware.com  Fri Mar 17 13:28:50 2006
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:28:50 -0800
Subject: DRM for Images and Text in Stacks
In-Reply-To: <p06230911c0409a9571b5@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <C033059A.371B8%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<B690EC9E-DBEB-4EFC-B1FD-12C0D6925708@hindu.org>
	<A175C2AC-6034-4A88-B13E-B3876C173B64@hindu.org>
	<p06230911c0409a9571b5@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <6A2645BE-83C8-4A07-84A7-8240F4BDE087@canelasoftware.com>


On Mar 17, 2006, at 8:57 AM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> Why can't you protect the access online to the files on a secure  
> server rather than try to protect the media? Who or what are the  
> 'bad guys'??
>
> sqb


Can the files be outside the application in a "data" folder perhaps?   
If so, you could just encrypt them with a setup app.  Your player or  
media app would then import the encrypted file, decrypt it, and then  
show it.  All the while, the download media is encrypted and safe.


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From aturban at qwest.net  Fri Mar 17 13:46:22 2006
From: aturban at qwest.net (Arthur Urban)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:46:22 -0700
Subject: Developer Annoyance #1
In-Reply-To: <C03FC82B.192FB%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
References: <C03FC82B.192FB%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
Message-ID: <441B03FE.6050905@qwest.net>

mea culpa. Your example works just fine. I changed variable names in the 
send syntax without initializing them first. This caused the variable 
name to be sent as a string and not it's contents. Thank you for helping 
me discover this!

Dick Kriesel wrote:
> On 3/17/06 12:47 AM, "Arthur Urban" <aturban at qwest.net> wrote:
>
>   
>> I'm sure it evaluates literals just fine, but it does not
>> evaluate containers.
>>     
>
> This works here:
>
> on mouseUp
>   put 1 into t
>   send "foo t,t+1"
> end mouseUp
>
> on foo
>   ask the params
> end foo
>
>
> Do you have a counter-example?
>
> -- Dick
>
>
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From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Mar 17 13:51:16 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:51:16 -0600
Subject: AltBrowser 2.0 Extension and Web 2.0 Web Apps?
In-Reply-To: <13807630.1142614943060.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>
References: <13807630.1142614943060.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>
Message-ID: <441B0524.1090404@chipp.com>

Hi John,

It appears you've already received the answer, directly from Chris, the 
developer of the altBrowser external.

Feel free to contact us directly with any questions about altBrowser at:

support at altuit.com

-Chipp

John Patten wrote:
> Hi all And Chip...
> 
> I had a question regarding Chip's AltBrowser 2.0 external...



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 17 14:01:13 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:01:13 -0800
Subject: Draw spokes on a wheel
In-Reply-To: <5FB1A45C-F6E6-4033-8236-AB90C57C9D30@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <C0404779.36406%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Could you take a single line png, make copies, and
rotate.positionAboutTheCenter them?
Jim Hurly and Scott Rossi are far ahead of me in doing this sort of work
(ballClock, windowShape, bezier curves, circles, polygon offsets)  More than
shaking my head,  I'm rattling my brain and rolling my eyes... shake rattle
and roll :-)

Glad I don't have to solve this one.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 3/17/06 10:26 AM, "Mark Talluto" <userev at canelasoftware.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> I need a little help drawing spokes to a wheel.  This is actually
> used in a vision test.  I have an image here to help illustrate the
> madness.  I am sure someone like Jim Ault is shaking his head right
> now.  <http://www.canelasoftware.com/pub/rev/astig.jpg>
> 
> I have been using an image, but would like to offer the ability to
> adjust the line length and thickness.  The new antialiasing feature
> will also be handy.  Thanks for any input.
> 
> 
> Mark Talluto




From lynn at paradigmasoft.com  Fri Mar 17 14:04:34 2006
From: lynn at paradigmasoft.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:04:34 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <17995335415.20060317102642@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <1069500183-199849064@lindbergh.macserve.net>

> > many Japanese management concepts such as Total Quality Control, 
> > Quality Control circles, small group activities, labor 
> relations. Key 
> > elements of Kaizen are quality, effort, involvement of all 
> employees, 
> > willingness to change, and communication.
> 
> Having been involved with Total Quality initiatives, Quality 
> Control Circles, etc, on this side of the pond I can say from 
> experience that they are doomed to failure because of 
> underlying cultural differences.
> Labor and social relationships are not structured in western 
> societies to provide the level of trust and support required 
> to allow them to be effective.

Putting on my Proactive (http://www.proactive-intl.com) hat here on one of
my favorite topics :-)

Ill preface this by saying I lived in Japan for six years, have an office in
Japan, Japanese spouse and bi-lingual family household. We have a good mix
of Japanese staff. My kid has been cleaning my clock in spoken and written
Japanese for years :-(

I think almost all Japanese initiatives fail in the US for the same reason
why many foreign endeavors don't make it in Japan - they werent adapted into
processes towards a specific goal. And they apply differently in different
industries, because there is a different mindset by industry - the
automobile industry vs software is a perfect one.

Total Quality Management didn't originate in Japan, but it is worshipped
there. Japanese society is built around cooperation, unity, and fair
treatment within the group - and you disappoint and fail the group if your
product doesn't improve. It doesn't nourish creativity however, though the
government has taken steps in their education system to help rectify that.

There are some very good software products from Japan, but it isnt a culture
that nurtures a maverick mentality that can result in lots of super
programmers. You could point to console games as an industry dominated by
the Japanese, but I think if you really looked at the way most of those
games are structured (and that they license a lot of foreign 3D technology),
you would be less impressed.

But to go back to the point - adaptions Ive seen have been terrible - either
self defeating or utterly silly. I think there are quality measures that can
be gleaned and adapted to a certain point, with good results. Its just
extremely rare.


Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd





From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Fri Mar 17 14:08:24 2006
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:08:24 -0500
Subject: The long answer on when to use a function vs command
In-Reply-To: <50B19029-6706-422C-8568-E1446B9535E9@inspiredlogic.com>
References: <1A0956C4-8524-461D-81AE-7450C3FF06D5@adelphia.net>
	<50B19029-6706-422C-8568-E1446B9535E9@inspiredlogic.com>
Message-ID: <322E2229-3104-451A-90DF-F3C8400ABA79@adelphia.net>

Geoff,

Great read,

Thanks for this,

Tom


On Mar 17, 2006, at 10:57 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote:

>
> On Mar 14, 2006, at 8:31 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>
>> Can someone give the long answer on when is it best to use a  
>> function versus a command? I have a lot to write of both commands  
>> and functions and have been overly confusing myself. Please give  
>> at least two examples each with parameters and how to call/use them.
>
> I wrote an article about this. It's at:
>
> http://inspiredlogic.com/articles/functions.html
>
> It gives several examples.
>
> I can summarize it as: Functions Good, Handlers Bad (much of the  
> time). ;-)
>
> regards,
>
> Geoff
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From benbock at msn.com  Fri Mar 17 14:21:05 2006
From: benbock at msn.com (Ben Bock)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:21:05 -0800
Subject: script help
References: <20060317152216.4BEA7826605@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BAY106-DAV103D91D6A0047D5315F4FFA9E40@phx.gbl>

I have a stack that with 141 cards.  40 of the cards have images set on a timer : 

on openCard
wait 2 seconds
hide image "img1"
end openCard

I need to make an openStack script that will set the images to "show".  My usual lowbrow, untrained approach is to hard code it, which gets tedious:
on closeCard
show img "img1"
end closeCard

I want to make a stack script for this easy problem, so that all images are set to "visible = true" or "show".  I just can't get it right.

on preOpenStack 

put the number of cds into cardCount 

repeat with x = 1 to cardCount 

end repeat

put the number of images into imageCount

repeat with y = 1 to imageCount

end repeat 

put the ID of image y of cd x into imageNameList --(something is wrong here) 

repeat for each line Joe in imageNameList 

set the visible of image q to true

end repeat

end preOpenStack 



I think part of my problem is that I don't really understand the repeat syntax. 



1) is there any design flaw using the wait/hide format?

2) How can I re-write the preOpenStack script to do what I want?



 I'll eagerly read any pointers.



Thanks for any help,



Ben






From rcozens at pon.net  Fri Mar 17 14:29:07 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:29:07 -0800
Subject: Rev 2.7 needs to close
In-Reply-To: <000801c649e7$c85a4530$6401a8c0@toshibauser>
References: <000801c649e7$c85a4530$6401a8c0@toshibauser>
Message-ID: <4D72552F-B5EC-11DA-9CFB-0030657E1638@pon.net>


Hi Preston,

> My Rev Studio 2 quits unexpectedly about once an hour. This seems to 
> happen only when selecting or moving text in a script. Has anyone else 
> experienced this waker-upper and is there a way to avoid it. I'm 
> getting kinda old for this s**t !
>

Go to <http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=3395> and 
add your vote(s) and any comments...especially if you're not running 
Windows.


Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From rcozens at pon.net  Fri Mar 17 14:44:25 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:44:25 -0800
Subject: script help
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-DAV103D91D6A0047D5315F4FFA9E40@phx.gbl>
References: <20060317152216.4BEA7826605@mail.runrev.com>
	<BAY106-DAV103D91D6A0047D5315F4FFA9E40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <70B0B4D4-B5EE-11DA-8FBF-0030657E1638@pon.net>


Hi Ben,

> I have a stack that with 141 cards.  40 of the cards have images set 
> on a timer :
>
> on openCard
> wait 2 seconds
> hide image "img1"
> end openCard
>
> I need to make an openStack script that will set the images to "show".

Are you sure?  If no runtime changes to the stack need be saved, simply 
set destroyStack to true and close the stack without saving it.  The 
next time it is opened the images will all show if the stack was last 
saved that way.

If it is compiled as a standalone, it _will_ retain the original state 
of the images when the standalone was built.

> My usual lowbrow, untrained approach is to hard code it, which gets 
> tedious:
> on closeCard
> show img "img1"
> end closeCard
>
> I want to make a stack script for this easy problem, so that all 
> images are set to "visible = true" or "show".  I just can't get it 
> right.

How about (in the stack script):

on preOpenCard
   repeat with x = 1 to the number of images
	show image x
   end repeat
end preOpenCard

?

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Mar 17 14:46:08 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:46:08 +0100
Subject: script help
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-DAV103D91D6A0047D5315F4FFA9E40@phx.gbl>
References: <20060317152216.4BEA7826605@mail.runrev.com>
	<BAY106-DAV103D91D6A0047D5315F4FFA9E40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <DA64E8E0-D3BA-4021-AE23-8C0C4AB95853@major-k.de>

Hi Ben,

> I have a stack that with 141 cards.  40 of the cards have images  
> set on a timer :
>
> on openCard
> wait 2 seconds
> hide image "img1"
> end openCard
>
> I need to make an openStack script that will set the images to  
> "show".  My usual lowbrow, untrained approach is to hard code it,  
> which gets tedious:
> on closeCard
> show img "img1"
> end closeCard

Use "preopencard" that will happen BEFORE a card is drawn on the screen,
see below...
> I want to make a stack script for this easy problem, so that all  
> images are set to "visible = true" or "show".  I just can't get it  
> right.
>
> on preOpenStack
> put the number of cds into cardCount
> repeat with x = 1 to cardCount
> end repeat
> put the number of images into imageCount
> repeat with y = 1 to imageCount
> end repeat
> put the ID of image y of cd x into imageNameList --(something is  
> wrong here)
> repeat for each line Joe in imageNameList
> set the visible of image q to true
> end repeat
> end preOpenStack

Let me see if I get you right:

You want to hide every image on every card before you go to that card?
And have this in the stackscript?

In that case put this "preopencard" handler into the stackscript!

on preopencard
   repeat with i = 1 to the num of imgs
     hide img i
   end repeat
end preopencard

> I think part of my problem is that I don't really understand the  
> repeat syntax.
>
> 1) is there any design flaw using the wait/hide format?

"hide" is immediate, but "wait" will halt the application for the  
time you wait,
means you cannot click buttons etc. in this time.

But you can force the "wait" clause to NOT halt the whole app by adding:

on openCard
    wait 2 secs WITH MESSAGES
    hide image "img1"
end openCard

Now you can enter text into fields, click buttons etc... during these  
2 seconds.

> 2) How can I re-write the preOpenStack script to do what I want?

See above...

>  I'll eagerly read any pointers.

Hope that helps...

> Thanks for any help,
>
> Ben

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From jonseymour at mac.com  Fri Mar 17 14:48:27 2006
From: jonseymour at mac.com (Jon Seymour)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:48:27 -0600
Subject: Zoom/maximize box
Message-ID: <CBCE76E6-DADA-451D-AAEB-C15A457C856B@mac.com>

Hi all,

In my app I manipulate screen elements when the user resizes the  
window. For scaling Rev objects, the Geometry manager works well. I  
do intercept and pass the resizeStack message to do a couple of  
things, for example, reset the tabstops in a field, and redraw the  
altBrowser pane. I use liveResizing simply out of personal  
preference. It all works!

Except...when I click that darn zoom box. On both Mac and Win  
platforms, this causes my resizeStack handlers to fail. The Geometry  
manager works, and I can see in the Message Watcher that resizeStack  
is being sent, but for some reason there is no action. When I click  
the box again to toggle back to the old size, BOOM, the items are  
redrawn too big, reflecting the prior window size. The minute I grab  
and drag the resize area in the lower right of the window, everything  
snaps back to normal.

So, what am I missing? Is there a message sent or some other way to  
know specifically when the zoom box has been clicked?

Thanks,

Jon


From henk at iglow-media.nl  Fri Mar 17 14:50:50 2006
From: henk at iglow-media.nl (Henk van der Velden)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:50:50 +0100
Subject: imagedata in Word XML
Message-ID: <9614903A-563B-4CEA-937E-33F2ABAC8722@iglow-media.nl>

Good day all,

Word 2003 and newer can save as XML. If there is an image in the doc,  
it's binary data are saved in one of the nodes of an XML tree (body/p/ 
r/pict/binData).

Now I want a Revolution stack to read these XML documents. I assumed  
the binary image data to be base-64 encoded. But when I decode the  
content of the node containing the binary image data, and set the  
imageData of an image in the Rev stack to it, I get a messy picture.
I have also tried to base-64 encode the imageData of an image in a  
Rev stack and paste it into a node containing binary image data in a  
Word XML file. But then Word doesn't understand the data.

Is there anyone who knows how Word's binary image data can be used in  
Rev?

Kind regards,
Henk


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Fri Mar 17 14:54:04 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:54:04 -0800
Subject: Rev 2.7 needs to close
Message-ID: <p06230914c040c45238cd@[192.168.1.103]>

They're working on it.. and it's confirmed... please vote
http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=3359



>My Rev Studio 2 quits unexpectedly about once an hour. This seems to 
>happen only when selecting or moving text in a script. Has anyone 
>else experienced this waker-upper and is there a way to avoid it. 
>I'm getting kinda old for this s**t !

-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -


From got at mindspring.com  Fri Mar 17 15:05:29 2006
From: got at mindspring.com (Gordon Tillman)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:05:29 -0600
Subject: imagedata in Word XML
In-Reply-To: <9614903A-563B-4CEA-937E-33F2ABAC8722@iglow-media.nl>
References: <9614903A-563B-4CEA-937E-33F2ABAC8722@iglow-media.nl>
Message-ID: <AE158D00-5EC9-46C1-81EC-ECC340FC9E8A@mindspring.com>

Henk I wrote an exporter for JasperReports that can save to WordML  
format.  This is in Java, no no help with RunRev.  But I can tell you  
that the information is not in pure imageData format.  The  
information in WordML is a base-64 encoded PNG or JPEG, or whatever.

Well, even though you decode the information from the WordML file,  
now you have a binary representation of a PNG or JPEG, etc., and that  
is not in a format proper for imageData, which is an array of 4-byte  
integers, each integer representing one pixel.  You will have to  
base-64 decode the information in the WordML file and then read it in  
as if you were reading an image file off a disk, etc.  This will  
decompress the information that is encoded in the file and then you  
can use the result as imageData.

--gordy

On Mar 17, 2006, at 13:50, Henk van der Velden wrote:

> Good day all,
>
> Word 2003 and newer can save as XML. If there is an image in the  
> doc, it's binary data are saved in one of the nodes of an XML tree  
> (body/p/r/pict/binData).
>
> Now I want a Revolution stack to read these XML documents. I  
> assumed the binary image data to be base-64 encoded. But when I  
> decode the content of the node containing the binary image data,  
> and set the imageData of an image in the Rev stack to it, I get a  
> messy picture.
> I have also tried to base-64 encode the imageData of an image in a  
> Rev stack and paste it into a node containing binary image data in  
> a Word XML file. But then Word doesn't understand the data.
>
> Is there anyone who knows how Word's binary image data can be used  
> in Rev?
>
> Kind regards,
> Henk
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Fri Mar 17 15:16:16 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:16:16 -0800
Subject: Rev 2.7 needs to close
In-Reply-To: <4D72552F-B5EC-11DA-9CFB-0030657E1638@pon.net>
References: <000801c649e7$c85a4530$6401a8c0@toshibauser>
	<4D72552F-B5EC-11DA-9CFB-0030657E1638@pon.net>
Message-ID: <p06230915c040c81d1c6e@[192.168.1.103]>

Rob:

We may have 2 bug numbers for the same bug...

sqb: <http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=3359>
clicking or dragging text randomly fatally crashes rev. Sometimes 
core dump dialog appears.
*Confirmed with 2 apple debug dumps sent to runrev.

Rob: <http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=3395>


is this possible?

>Hi Preston,
>
>>My Rev Studio 2 quits unexpectedly about once an hour. This seems 
>>to happen only when selecting or moving text in a script. Has 
>>anyone else experienced this waker-upper and is there a way to 
>>avoid it. I'm getting kinda old for this s**t !
>>

-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Mar 17 15:22:47 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:22:47 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
Message-ID: <441B1A97.3010005@fourthworld.com>

Marielle wrote:
> What you get with Java, Ruby, Ajax that you don't get with runrev is  
> the following.
> 
> 1) Re-usable LIBRARIES.
> 
> Honestly what I have read recently on how revolution is so much  
> superior to Director or Java is just a *BIG* joke. Agreed, revolution  
> let  you write stuff rapidly. But you have to write the same stuff  
> again and again and again and again. But what java does is let you  
> write it ONCE and REUSE it again and again and again.

Coding for reuse is a choice. There's a lot of Java out there that can
barely be used, let alone reused. :)

I rarely write the same routine in Transcript more than once, and every 
app I write is completed with considerably higher ROI than the last 
because of the ease of reusing code libraries.  In my most recent 
project I would estimate that some 70% of the code base is in reusable 
libraries.

There's even a Scripter's Scrapbook that Hugh Senior wrote in Rev to 
encourage even greater code reuse (with a jaw-droppingly complete 
feature set) at <http://www.flexiblelearning.com/ssbk.htm>.

Stephen McConnell's "Code Complete 2" offers a great insight into coding
for reuse (among many other things), and just about anything from him is
chock full o' good ideas.

I've touched on reuse in my presentations at Rev conferences, and it
would probably be useful to also address this in greater depth at
revJournal.

In the meantime, "Extending the Runtime Revolution Message Path" at
<http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/revolution_message_path.html>
introduces the mechanics of implementing libraries, and my Handy
Handlers series at <http://www.revjournal.com/tutorials/index.html>
discusses the style side of crafting handlers with an emphasis on
generalized reuse.

It should be noted that while the specifics of coding for reuse in
Transcript often rely on mechanisms unique to the language, those
mechanisms are simple to work with (e.g. "start using libMyStuff") and 
the patterns governing reuse are pretty much the same as for other 
procedural languages (error-checking params, conscious source-to-dest 
param order, useful defaults for optional params, etc.).

Any developer thinking ahead and exercising a little self-discipline can
get the same level of benefit of code reuse in Transcript as in just
about any procedural language, arguably more so in many cases given
Transcript's self-documenting nature and the simplicity of using library
stacks.

That said, there's a fine line being drawn here.  On the one hand you
seem to request a professional level of self-discipline from those who
publish libraries, while elsewhere suggesting that Rev be used by more
newcomers and non-professionals.  As long as there are people who
haven't yet made a million mistakes, they will code in ways that don't
prevent them. :)


> 2) Rich and easy to access documentation
> 
> If you want to use a java library written by somebody else, simple,  
> you get access to the API online and you know what method to call and  
> how. You don't need to know *anything* about the inner workings of  
> the library. Why is it? Because some some conventions have been  
> created which let you comment your script in a very efficient way,  
> where the API doc can be automatically generated from these comments.  
> http://java.sun.com/j2se/javadoc/. There is *NOTHING* even close to  
> this in revolution.

Again, this is a matter of choice on the part of the developer.  Some
are simply more diligent documenters than others.

While the number of lines needed to extract APIs from a Java code base
is so great that Sun needs to provide a tool for it, getting a list of
handlers from a script in Transcript can be done in just a few lines
(see the MC IDE's Script Editor or Geoff Canyon's post at
<http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2006-March/078496.html>).
  Modifying those routines to also include params would be trivial.

But for such extraction to be useful the key is to provide meaningful
parameter names.  Remember that Java's a typed language so the
prototypes will tell you more about a param than its name alone will.
So again, this is a choice and some do it better than others. K&R-style
single-letter arguments won't tell you very much. :) (A few tips on
naming conventions are shared at
<http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/scriptstyle.html>).

Taking this notion one step further, the Rev Interoperability Project
(RIP) at <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revInterop/> offers guidelines 
for libraries to include API documentation, and in a way that makes it 
relatively simple for a single doc-reader stack to easily display the 
API for any RIP-savvy library.

Conventions exist for both Java and Rev; they're only as useful as they 
are adopted, and Java is used by more professionals for whom the 
benefits of self-discipline pay bigger dividends.


> 3) Member's sense of investment in making their work freely available
> 
> Yes, you can do fantastic stuff with revolution. But you have to  
> start from zero and do everything by yourself.
> Because of all the effort, it is only worth it if you plan to sell  
> your application to a small numbers of high-paying clients.

Exhibit A: RevOnline

Exhibit B: <http://dmoz.org/Computers/Programming/Languages/Transcript/>

Exhibit C: Dozens of other resources that can be pulled up in Eric
Chatonet's wonderful search tool.

Many of the libraries available offer free use, and some are even open
source.

> So Richard, why is it that sourceforge project you are admin of is  
> still empty? It was registered in 2001.
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/opn-repository
> "A project to create a publicly accessible library of handlers for  
> the xTalk family of languages. The immediate aim of this project is  
> to create a robust library of handlers for the cross platform  
> Metacard/RunRev xTalk family of products."

I didn't set up that group, and was made aware of my status there as an
"administrator" only last week when I got an expiration notice from the
site.  That must have been set up in the early days while we were
fleshing out the workflow for the MC IDE.

The MC IDE project lives at <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MC_IDE/>.

The discussion list of its ongoing development is at
<http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.runrev.com/>.

A summary History and Roadmap of the MC IDE project is at
<http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard at lists.runrev.com/msg10627.html>.

To date we've had more than a dozen contributors to the MC IDE project,
and have had fresh releases nearly every quarter.  Klaus Major, Ken Ray,
and myself are working on parts of it right now.


> I had a chance to see David's (Bovil) library of handlers: Very  
> impressive.

He does good work.  Let's call that Exhibit D. :)


> 4) Structure that encourages and facilitates collaboration
> 
> You can, in fact turn your work into reusable libraries, with a bit  
> of experience in writing such stacks. People like Eric, Scott, and  
> many others have very generously contributed high quality demo  
> stacks, but the number of libraries available is just ridiculous  
> compared to the ones on rubyforge/sourceforge. In sharp contrast with  
> the ruby and java community, these libraries are not shared, there is  
> nothing like rubyforge or sourceforge where you can easily provide  
> information about your project and receive feedback on them. There is  
> nothing like rubyforge or sourceforge where you can get to know of  
> the existing projects and get to propose your collaboration.

Have you tried emailing the developers?

Constellation used BaseMap; RevIPC, mmgen, and RIP use Yahoo; the MC IDE 
project uses Yahoo for file distribution and a list hosted by RunRev for
management discussion.  Developers are free to choose what they like for
managing their work, and they do.

As for the number of libraries, the other languages you cite are either
gratis and/or open source.  Remember that many open source projects
represent a form of "socialized software", since the project took root
at publicly subsidized universities (which I like, BTW; I'd rather have
my taxes create livingry than weaponry whenever practical).  Java is an 
exception, but it isn't open source; Sun makes the investment for 
strategic reasons.

If you can get public funding or a major corporation to throw money at
RunRev Ltd to convert Rev to open source there may be an opportunity
there for all of us.

In the meantime, software remains expensive to create regardless of the
license it's deployed with, and not everyone has accumulated the
independent wealth needed to displace paying work with volunteer work
full time.


> On top, though it is possible to write libraries, there are aspects  
> of the transcript languages which don't really make it pratical to  
> consider flexibly using 20-100 libaries. Scott Raney recognized this  
> and was apparently planning to work on it. Hence, another *very*  
> important paragraph on the Metacard annoucement page (http:// 
> www.metacard.com/pi5.html) was:
> "The MetaTalk language will also be extended to provide a more full  
> featured object-oriented programming environment, which will allow  
> development of larger-scale applications with MetaCard. The key  
> tenants of object-oriented programming - encapsulation, polymorphism,  
> and inheritance - are already available in the MetaTalk language, but  
> must be extended before MetaCard will be as appropriate for large  
> multi-developer projects as it is for the single-user projects that  
> are presently its forte. "

As a proprietary product, neither Dr. Raney nor the current owners would
divulge details beyond the sort of high-level abstractions presented there.

That said, sometimes interesting things get discussed at NDA'd sessions
at Rev conferences.


I was about to delete this next paragraph and move on to more relevant
things, but it contains so many factual errors that it would be a
disservice to newcomers here not to address them at least in summary:

> In sharp contrast with the work initiated and planned by S. Raney,  
> what I have witnessed over the years is a readiness from runrev to  
> punish the ones who had made significant contributions to the  
> community. Richmond was banished for his views on opensource. 

That's not why Richmond was temporarily banned from the list.

Richmond  has been openly supportive of RunRev and their licensing 
terms; many others here hold much more passionate views of open source 
than he yet have never been banned.

While I disagree with the latest reasoning for his being banned, it had
nothing to do with his views on open source. If this isn't clear you may 
want to review the list archives.

> Ken's stackrunner has been recently not outlawed.

Not outlawing something is a bad thing?

StackRunner remains available at
<http://sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads.htm>.

> Xavier was attacked for preferring to use  a product  -- metacard
> -- that authorizes the  creation of true open source resource...

MetaCard hasn't been a product for many years; it's an add-on for the 
Rev engine.

Like any IDE or set of plugins, the MetaCard IDE is just a collection of
stacks which require the Rev engine to run.  The license agreement for
the MetaCard IDE makes its open source status explicitly distinct from
any terms for the engine needed to run it, and refers the reader to the
RunRev license for any questions about usage of the engine.

As for Xavier, he made a choice for himself and I respect him enough to
honor his decision.  You might do well to show him the same respect and
discretion, allowing him the courtesy of representing himself.

> I have heard that despite an official discourse of authorizing freeGui,  
> another open source project, Kevin in fact contacted Alain Farmer to  
> ask him to stop... or at least make sure it was not too successful.

FreeGUI remains available at <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/freeGUI/>,
languishing more for lack of interest than anything else.

Given its goal of providing a more HyperCard-like experience to
newcomers, I'm surprised more people haven't shown an interest in
contributing to it.  But it's there if they do.  I think it's a neat
project and would love to see some fresh blood flesh it out some more.


> 5) Equalitarian system where the contribution of each person is  
> valued the same way
> 
> In rubyforge, sourceforge, what counts in the quality of the library.

Maybe that's why so many projects there haven't had activity in many
months. ;)

> There is little information about the professional status of the  
> persons involved in each project. Profit and non-profit have the same  
> opportunity to have their initiative noticed. There is revonline, but  
> it's really nothing compared to rubyforge or sourceforge and there is  
> a 10MB limit anyway so you cannot really post anything but toy  
> projects there. 

Of what practical use would a library be if it weighs in at larger than
10MB?

As you noted, some Rev folks do use SourceForge for their libraries, and
there's nothing stopping anyone from using any other means of
distributing their work.

I mirror RIP at the revJournal site because I have a hundred megs free 
there; lots of room to grow, but I pity the person who would have to 
wade through 100 megs of stuff. :)


> FYI, in reality, something as good as google earth  
> has been realised long ago in our community. It has been advertised  
> on our lists. But this person didn't present himself as a  
> professional... because he was not one and he apparently largelly  
> ignored.  http://ddm.geo.umass.edu/. The excellent work of Jim Hurley  
> and others have suffered similar fates.

Jim, do you feel abused? :)

These developers are among the most celebrated members of our community. 
  The archives are full of "way cool!" commendations to these people, and
I believe Kevin has even demo'd Dynamic Digital Maps at a trade show as
the cool example project it is.

I do agree that more can be done, such as making the list of cool stuff
at <http://downloads.runrev.com/stacks_apps/> more comprehensive.

I had the pleasure of serving tiramisu to Richard K. Herz at one of our
Rev meetings here, where I thanked him for his wonderful contributions
with his Reactor Lab (see <http://reactorlab.net>).  That was the same 
night we honored Mark Talutto's birthday, who was also thanked for open 
sourcing his nifty presentation tool at 
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mmgen/?yguid=7661942>. If I could I'd 
send tasty desserts to all the folks who help show off what Rev can do, 
but I think the community does what they can to show appreciation for 
these contributors.

Hats off to the lot of them!

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com



From userev at canelasoftware.com  Fri Mar 17 16:05:05 2006
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:05:05 -0800
Subject: Draw spokes on a wheel
In-Reply-To: <C0404779.36406%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C0404779.36406%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <04D833EA-0B32-4689-9663-43D2D6B8948A@canelasoftware.com>


On Mar 17, 2006, at 11:01 AM, Jim Ault wrote:

> Could you take a single line png, make copies, and
> rotate.positionAboutTheCenter them?
> Jim Hurly and Scott Rossi are far ahead of me in doing this sort of  
> work
> (ballClock, windowShape, bezier curves, circles, polygon offsets)   
> More than
> shaking my head,  I'm rattling my brain and rolling my eyes...  
> shake rattle
> and roll :-)

Hi Jim,

I'll take a stab at your suggestion and see how it goes.  It has been  
tricky to get this right.  I have been digging around on math sites  
for some trig solutions.

Thanks for the reference to the clock.  I'll go over that code and  
see what I can pull from them.  I had forgotten all about them.  I  
bet what I need is in there.

Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From johnpatten at mac.com  Fri Mar 17 16:05:22 2006
From: johnpatten at mac.com (John Patten)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:05:22 -0800
Subject: AltBrowser 2.0 Extension and Web 2.0 Web Apps?
Message-ID: <15505487.1142629522778.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>

Thanks for the quick reply!

I had been trying AltBrowser 2.0 in Rev 2.7. I'm not sure if that's the problem. But when I saw Chris's reply about using 2.6 I went back, downloaded the demo again, and opened it up in 2.6.  

The first time I pointed the "Demo Browser" to writely.com I was able to log in, however when I went to edit a previously created document in Writely it through up an answer box, "link trying to open in new window: http://www.writely.com/DOC.aspx?id=bdcwwm88rvd" and "OK." After clicking OK Rev quit.

So i thought maybe the problem had to do with the fact that I was trying to access a previoulsy created Writely document. So, I created a new document, and was able to edit, update , log off and log on to edit with no problem.  

Then I logged back in and and tried to access one of those previously created Writely documents, and everything worked. Oh, well there went that theory. :-)

I haven't tried in 2.7 again, I was just happy that it worked! 

Thanks!

---------------------------
------------------------------ 

Message: 9 
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:23:29 -0600 
From: chris bohnert <chris at altuit.com> 
Subject: Re: AltBrowser 2.0 Extension and Web 2.0 Web Apps? 
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com> 
Message-ID: <441AFEA1.20206 at altuit.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed 

Hi John, 

  I just tried this with writely and the altbrowser demo and was able to 
login and create a new document on both the mac an pc.  I'm using XP/OS 
10.4.5 in rev 2.6.1. 

I launched the demo..clicked "launch browser" on the first card and then 
went directly to "http://www.writely.com". 

You can get us directly at support at altuit.com or me in particular at 
chris at altuit.com. 

-- 
cb 

John Patten wrote: 
> Hi all And Chip... 
> 
> I had a question regarding Chip's AltBrowser 2.0 external... 
> 
> Is it possible to use the external with web sites such as Writely (www.writely.com)?  I attempted using the demo browser in the new 2.0 version and was not successful. On the Windows version, it would kill Rev, and with the Mac it would bring up the page, allow login, but you could not edit anything (change text style, font, etc.) 
> 
> My guess is maybe this is due to the fact that Writely opens up multiple windows and AltBrowser 2.0 does not support sites with multiple windows...??? Or, maybe the demo browser doesn't...? 
> 
> Can anyone shed any light on using AltBrowser with something like Writley? 
> 
> Thank you! 
> 
> John Patten 
> Sylvan Union School District 
> _______________________________________________ 
> use-revolution mailing list 
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com 
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: 
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution 



From revolution at derbrill.de  Fri Mar 17 16:08:07 2006
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 22:08:07 +0100
Subject: Draw spokes on a wheel
In-Reply-To: <20060317180010.571AB8263F6@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <219E95AC-B5FA-11DA-B7F5-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>

Hi Mark,

here is a quicky. Make sure that the style of the grc accepts points 
(e.g=curve or line)

on mouseUp
   put item 1 of the loc of this cd into centerX
   put item 2 of the loc of this cd into centerY
   put 40 into isRadius
   put 60 into spokeLength
   repeat with isAngle=0 to 360 step 15
     put centerX+cos(isAngle*pi/180)*isRadius into isNewX1
     put centerY+sin(isAngle*pi/180)*isRadius into isNewY1
     put centerX+cos(isAngle*pi/180)*(isRadius+spokeLength) into isNewX2
     put centerY+sin(isAngle*pi/180)*(isRadius+spokeLength) into isNewY2
     put round(isNewX1),round(isNewY1)&cr after pointlist
     put round(isNewX2),round(isNewY2)&cr&cr after pointlist
   end repeat
   set the points of grc "wheel" to pointlist
end mouseUp

All the best,

Malte
-- 
ArcadeEngine - prepare to WOW your audience within minutes
http://www.runrev.com/section/revselect/arcadeengine
http://www.derbrill.com/arcadeengine/forum 

From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 17 16:12:41 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:12:41 -0800
Subject: Draw spokes on a wheel
In-Reply-To: <5FB1A45C-F6E6-4033-8236-AB90C57C9D30@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <C0406649.36428%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

just recalled that there was a very good exchange about points on a polygon
in the archives relating to the Rossi "ballclock" and the last revision I
think is ballclock4.rev

This could still be on his download site.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 3/17/06 10:26 AM, "Mark Talluto" <userev at canelasoftware.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> I need a little help drawing spokes to a wheel.  This is actually
> used in a vision test.  I have an image here to help illustrate the
> madness.  I am sure someone like Jim Ault is shaking his head right
> now.  <http://www.canelasoftware.com/pub/rev/astig.jpg>
> 
> I have been using an image, but would like to offer the ability to
> adjust the line length and thickness.  The new antialiasing feature
> will also be handy.  Thanks for any input.
> 
> 
> Mark Talluto




From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Mar 17 16:14:46 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:14:46 -0600
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>
Message-ID: <441B26C6.80400@chipp.com>

Marielle,

Most of us know, you have a running feud with those at RunRev. If you 
aren't happy with the tool, then just don't use it. It's that simple.

Perhaps there aren't as many libraries available for Transcript, but who 
says using only reusable libraries is the only way to code quickly? I 
can still develop my apps significantly faster than enterprise customers 
who code in Java and .NET (even with all their free libraries!).

As Richard has implied over and over, it's about ROI for the client. If 
I can program some apps faster than another developer, then I provide 
value for my client. It really is that simple.

This is not to say Revolution is the perfect application framework for 
every type of project --though I've personally yet to find a project 
which it won't work for. Projects which require large teams of 
programmers (like Operating Systems for instance) are not a good match 
for Runtime Revolution. But for small groups who need fast results, 
Runtime Revolution works great...libraries or not.

And for the record, Richmond was not 'banished' from this list for his 
views on Open Source. The first time, I believe he was banished for his 
choice of cursed language, and RR let him back on only to have him post 
to this list a hack to the RR website (which many of us would have only 
forwarded directly to RR).

Your effort here to cast RR in a poor light regarding Richmond, Xavier 
and others is a disservice to those who don't know the whole story.

-Chipp



From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Mar 17 16:17:13 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:17:13 -0600
Subject: AltBrowser 2.0 Extension and Web 2.0 Web Apps?
In-Reply-To: <15505487.1142629522778.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>
References: <15505487.1142629522778.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>
Message-ID: <441B2759.5040509@chipp.com>

John,

You can right your own handlers to manage popup windows, that's what the
callback is for.

Again, you can reach us directly at support at altuit.com

best,

Chipp



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Mar 17 16:20:13 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:20:13 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>
Message-ID: <119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>

Marielle-

Friday, March 17, 2006, 4:44:16 AM, you wrote:

> 2) Rich and easy to access documentation

> If you want to use a java library written by somebody else, simple,
> you get access to the API online and you know what method to call and
> how. You don't need to know *anything* about the inner workings of  
> the library. Why is it? Because some some conventions have been  
> created which let you comment your script in a very efficient way,  
> where the API doc can be automatically generated from these comments.
> http://java.sun.com/j2se/javadoc/. There is *NOTHING* even close to
> this in revolution. Here, if you want to find your way through

...sure there is. You have to roll your own, but it's not that much
transcript code. My libraries generate their own documentation through
a javadoc-like mechanism. Check out, for example, my ArchiveSearch
plugin on revonline and open the libDispatcher library. Click on the
API button.

And the ECMI document was developed as a way to provide library
developers with a standardized way of documenting the api, among other
things. If library developers don't follow this then it's no different
from java developers not supplying javadoc comments or providing api
documentation online. They're just conventions that have become fairly
universally adopted. Not knowing *anything* about the internal
workings of a library can cause much more pain in java than in rev,
especially in areas of throwing exceptions and threading.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jhurley at infostations.com  Fri Mar 17 16:25:15 2006
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:25:15 -0800
Subject: Draw spokes on a wheel
In-Reply-To: <20060317180009.39216826383@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060317180009.39216826383@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p06230900c040d7dfb4f9@[10.0.1.2]>

>
>Message: 10
>Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:26:30 -0800
>From: Mark Talluto <userev at canelasoftware.com>
>Subject: Draw spokes on a wheel
>To: Revolution use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>Message-ID: <5FB1A45C-F6E6-4033-8236-AB90C57C9D30 at canelasoftware.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
>Hello everyone,
>
>I need a little help drawing spokes to a wheel.  This is actually 
>used in a vision test.  I have an image here to help illustrate the 
>madness.  I am sure someone like Jim Ault is shaking his head right
>now.  <http://www.canelasoftware.com/pub/rev/astig.jpg>
>
>I have been using an image, but would like to offer the ability to 
>adjust the line length and thickness.  The new antialiasing feature 
>will also be handy.  Thanks for any input.
>
>
>Mark Talluto
>--
>CANELA Software
>http://www.canelasoftware.com
>

Mark,

You  may be able to guess what my  solution might be; that's right 
Turtle Graphics.

on mouseUp
   startTurtle
   put 12 into tNumSpokes
   put 100 into tLengthSpokes
   repeat 360/tNumSpokes
     forward tLengthSpokes
     back tLengthSpokes
     left 360/tNumSpokes
   end repeat
   stopTurtle
end mouseUp


Paste this handler into a button in the stack:

go url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/StopTurtles.rev"

Or if you want something like the clock in your graphic;

go url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/Build_a_clock.rev"

There are lots of variations possible.

Jim



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Mar 17 16:27:06 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 07:27:06 +1000
Subject: Zoom/maximize box
In-Reply-To: <CBCE76E6-DADA-451D-AAEB-C15A457C856B@mac.com>
References: <CBCE76E6-DADA-451D-AAEB-C15A457C856B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603171327t43c24c73gc56c12936f9c09c6@mail.gmail.com>

> In my app I manipulate screen elements when the user resizes the
> window. For scaling Rev objects, the Geometry manager works well. I
> do intercept and pass the resizeStack message to do a couple of
> things, for example, reset the tabstops in a field, and redraw the
> altBrowser pane. I use liveResizing simply out of personal
> preference. It all works!
>
> Except...when I click that darn zoom box. On both Mac and Win
> platforms, this causes my resizeStack handlers to fail. The Geometry
> manager works, and I can see in the Message Watcher that resizeStack
> is being sent, but for some reason there is no action. When I click
> the box again to toggle back to the old size, BOOM, the items are
> redrawn too big, reflecting the prior window size. The minute I grab
> and drag the resize area in the lower right of the window, everything
> snaps back to normal.
>
> So, what am I missing? Is there a message sent or some other way to
> know specifically when the zoom box has been clicked?

This works for me, but I don't use any Geometry Manager settings, I
always do all my own resizing.

Do you have the resizeStack message using it's parameters for the new
width & height or are you getting them from the stack's properties?
Maybe the properties aren't updated until after the maximize is
finished, but using the parameters works fine here.

There is an "iconifyStack" message sent when you minimize, but I don;t
think there is a message for maximizing apart from resizeStack.

Cheers,
Sarah


From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Fri Mar 17 16:37:37 2006
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:37:37 -0800
Subject: Draw spokes on a wheel
In-Reply-To: <5FB1A45C-F6E6-4033-8236-AB90C57C9D30@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <C0406C21.1934A%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

On 3/17/06 10:26 AM, "Mark Talluto" <userev at canelasoftware.com> wrote:

> I need a little help drawing spokes to a wheel.  This is actually
> used in a vision test.  I have an image here to help illustrate the
> madness.  I am sure someone like Jim Ault is shaking his head right
> now.  <http://www.canelasoftware.com/pub/rev/astig.jpg>
> 
> I have been using an image, but would like to offer the ability to
> adjust the line length and thickness.  The new antialiasing feature
> will also be handy.  Thanks for any input.

Here's another way to draw the spokes:

on drawAstig pInnerDiameter,pOuterDiameter,pLineSize
  repeat with i = 0 to 345 step 15
    create graphic
    set the style of it to "oval"
    set the height of it to pOuterDiameter
    set the width of it to pOuterDiameter
    set the angle of it to i
    set the arcangle of it to 15
    set the opaque of it to "true"
    set the lineSize of it to pLineSize
  end repeat
  create graphic
  set the style of it to "oval"
  set the height of it to pInnerDiameter
  set the width of it to pInnerDiameter
  set the opaque of it to "true"
  set the foregroundColor of it to "white"
  create graphic
  set the style of it to "oval"
  set the height of it to pOuterDiameter+5
  set the width of it to pOuterDiameter+5
  set the foregroundColor of it to "white"
  set the lineSize of it to pLineSize + 4
end drawAstig

Applying the hour numbers seems to require a different approach.  If you use
turtle graphics, you can probably both draw the spokes and accurately
position label fields containing the hour numbers.

-- Dick




From mark at maseurope.net  Fri Mar 17 16:53:05 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:53:05 +0000
Subject: Zoom/maximize box
In-Reply-To: <CBCE76E6-DADA-451D-AAEB-C15A457C856B@mac.com>
References: <CBCE76E6-DADA-451D-AAEB-C15A457C856B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <A75713C1-363E-4AC8-BD12-B5DB2005D2CD@maseurope.net>

I have a dim memory of something like this, and I think the solution  
was  introducing a small delay before invoking my own resizing handlers.

So if you have all your code in an 'on resizeStack' handler, try  
moving it into an 'on customResize' handler, and then make your  
resizeStack handler:

on resizeStack
   send "customResize" to me int 20 millisecs
   pass resizeStack
end resizeStack

This may or may not help, but I think something like it worked for me...

Mark

On 17 Mar 2006, at 19:48, Jon Seymour wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> In my app I manipulate screen elements when the user resizes the  
> window. For scaling Rev objects, the Geometry manager works well. I  
> do intercept and pass the resizeStack message to do a couple of  
> things, for example, reset the tabstops in a field, and redraw the  
> altBrowser pane. I use liveResizing simply out of personal  
> preference. It all works!
>
> Except...when I click that darn zoom box. On both Mac and Win  
> platforms, this causes my resizeStack handlers to fail. The  
> Geometry manager works, and I can see in the Message Watcher that  
> resizeStack is being sent, but for some reason there is no action.  
> When I click the box again to toggle back to the old size, BOOM,  
> the items are redrawn too big, reflecting the prior window size.  
> The minute I grab and drag the resize area in the lower right of  
> the window, everything snaps back to normal.
>
> So, what am I missing? Is there a message sent or some other way to  
> know specifically when the zoom box has been clicked?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jon
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From revolution at derbrill.de  Fri Mar 17 16:52:26 2006
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 22:52:26 +0100
Subject: set the graphic "G" to x,y,....
In-Reply-To: <20060317180010.571AB8263F6@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <52829721-B600-11DA-B7F5-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>

Mark Waddingham wrote:

> We've noticed this here too and are looking into it. I've filed bug
> 3397 about it for reference.

Hi Mark,

while you?re at it, any chance of speeding up: set the angle of image 
"myImage" to (any number that is not a multiple of 45)

That would be really cool. :-)

All the best,

Malte

-- 
ArcadeEngine - prepare to WOW your audience within minutes
http://www.runrev.com/section/revselect/arcadeengine
http://www.derbrill.com/arcadeengine/forum 


From jerry at daniels-mara.com  Fri Mar 17 17:05:38 2006
From: jerry at daniels-mara.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:05:38 -0600
Subject: Pass - is it really needed
In-Reply-To: <441A6755.2060303@chipp.com>
References: <8FF5068C-4B6D-4CB8-BA50-B6C418BC9B08@adelphia.net>	<441A4779.1090501@hyperactivesw.com>
	<F91D7562-B111-4BDE-9A68-6283C3EA6BA8@adelphia.net>
	<441A6755.2060303@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <5CEEC473-56A7-4180-87AD-2959CF937523@daniels-mara.com>

Actually, I thought of a serious answer to this dilemma.

I was thinking of putting a "-- pass [sys msg name]" in every blank  
system message handler Constellation creates. That way the user could  
un-comment the "pass". Like Chipp, most of the time I find the "pass"  
in a default handler unneeded.

The other approach is to include a pass on those system message  
handlers where it is likely to  be needed--those being the ones that  
the Rev IDE counts on your passing, in particular.

Jerry

Buy Constellation from Runtime Revolution!
http://revstudio.runrev.com/section/revselect/constellation/



On Mar 17, 2006, at 1:37 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Yep, I'd prefer Constellation not place a 'pass' automatically in  
> handlers. I'm sure Jerry will add it as a preference some day :-)
>
> -Chipp
>
> But, you gotta love the tabbed browsing AND the GREAT debugger  
> which doesn't flake out for no apparent reason. Jerry's told me  
> he's worked really hard on making the debugger as robust as  
> possible..and it shows.
>
> Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>> That is correct. I finally see how powerful Constellation is in  
>> my  work flow.
>> On Mar 17, 2006, at 12:22 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>>> Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>>>
>>>> The reason I ask is that when I insert a new command it throws  
>>>> in  a  pass with that commands name by default.
>>>
>>>
>>> This isn't native Revolution behavior. Are you using Constellation?
>
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From userev at canelasoftware.com  Fri Mar 17 17:24:48 2006
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:24:48 -0800
Subject: Draw spokes on a wheel
In-Reply-To: <219E95AC-B5FA-11DA-B7F5-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>
References: <219E95AC-B5FA-11DA-B7F5-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <77C20E72-EA9D-42BE-9FDF-C60934AE8CC8@canelasoftware.com>

Wow!  Thanks for the quick help on this.  Man...my math is really  
lacking.  I'll be dissecting all the solutions below for some time.   
For the time being, I decided to bring all the solutions together for  
others to use and manipulate for your needs.  One things is for sure,  
I owe each of you a drink of your choice at the RevCon in Monterey  
this year.  I'll be the crazy guy walking around asking for each of you.


Malte, your solution worked great!

on mouseUp
   put item 1 of the loc of this cd into centerX
   put item 2 of the loc of this cd into centerY
   put 40 into isRadius
   put 60 into spokeLength
   repeat with isAngle=0 to 360 step 15
     put centerX+cos(isAngle*pi/180)*isRadius into isNewX1
     put centerY+sin(isAngle*pi/180)*isRadius into isNewY1
     put centerX+cos(isAngle*pi/180)*(isRadius+spokeLength) into isNewX2
     put centerY+sin(isAngle*pi/180)*(isRadius+spokeLength) into isNewY2
     put round(isNewX1),round(isNewY1)&cr after pointlist
     put round(isNewX2),round(isNewY2)&cr&cr after pointlist
   end repeat
   set the points of grc "wheel" to pointlist
end mouseUp

+++++

Dick Kriesel, your solution worked extra perfectly as it even set up  
for the inner diameter, outer circumference, and the line size.   
Thanks to you as well.  I decided to use this solution for my project.

on drawAstig pInnerDiameter,pOuterDiameter,pLineSize
   repeat with i = 0 to 345 step 15
     create graphic
     set the style of it to "oval"
     set the height of it to pOuterDiameter
     set the width of it to pOuterDiameter
     set the angle of it to i
     set the arcangle of it to 15
     set the opaque of it to "true"
     set the lineSize of it to pLineSize
   end repeat
   create graphic
   set the style of it to "oval"
   set the height of it to pInnerDiameter
   set the width of it to pInnerDiameter
   set the opaque of it to "true"
   set the foregroundColor of it to "white"
   create graphic
   set the style of it to "oval"
   set the height of it to pOuterDiameter+5
   set the width of it to pOuterDiameter+5
   set the foregroundColor of it to "white"
   set the lineSize of it to pLineSize + 4
end drawAstig

+++++

Jim Hurley, ahh yes...turtle graphics!  This is now in my bag of  
tricks as well!  Thanks!

on mouseUp
   startTurtle
   put 12 into tNumSpokes
   put 100 into tLengthSpokes
   repeat 360/tNumSpokes
     forward tLengthSpokes
     back tLengthSpokes
     left 360/tNumSpokes
   end repeat
   stopTurtle
end mouseUp


Paste this handler into a button in the stack:

go url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/StopTurtles.rev"

Or if you want something like the clock in your graphic;

go url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/Build_a_clock.rev"


+++++

Jim Ault, your solution worked as well. Thanks for your help!

Could you take a single line png, make copies, and
rotate.positionAboutTheCenter them?
Jim Hurly and Scott Rossi are far ahead of me in doing this sort of work
(ballClock, windowShape, bezier curves, circles, polygon offsets)   
More than
shaking my head,  I'm rattling my brain and rolling my eyes... shake  
rattle
and roll :-)

See you all in Monterey!



Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From stevef at upnaway.com  Fri Mar 17 17:26:48 2006
From: stevef at upnaway.com (Flavel Steve)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 06:26:48 +0800
Subject: Thousands Separator on OSX
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20060315143459.14a57c98@exchange.slg.com>
References: <36B4BF48-B5F1-42A1-AEF8-027DBE6A5309@upnaway.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060313144629.052ab798@exchange.slg.com>
	<D3FC7EC3-B36F-11DA-BC04-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20060315143459.14a57c98@exchange.slg.com>
Message-ID: <26D685BC-BC36-4513-8B4F-59314F254689@upnaway.com>

Thanks for all the help on this

It appears to be a feature needed in Rev.

However, I have found out that in Sweden, the decimal symbol and   
thousands separator used for numbers is not the same as those used  
for currency.  On XP it appears that  sDecimalSep, sMonDecimalSep
  and sThousandSep, sMonThousandSep provide this discrimination.  But  
I return empty for

  put queryRegistry("HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\International 
\sDecimalSep") into gDecimalPoint
     put queryRegistry("HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\International 
\sThousandSep") into gThousandsSeparator

I have two questions.

1. For XP, is it possible to get sDecimalSep and sThousandSep in Rev?
2. What is the story with OS X, is it possible to have this type of  
number discrimination at the system level?

I am using OS X and compiling for Windows and Macintosh.

Steve Flavel


From userev at canelasoftware.com  Fri Mar 17 17:44:41 2006
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:44:41 -0800
Subject: Pass - is it really needed
In-Reply-To: <5CEEC473-56A7-4180-87AD-2959CF937523@daniels-mara.com>
References: <8FF5068C-4B6D-4CB8-BA50-B6C418BC9B08@adelphia.net>	<441A4779.1090501@hyperactivesw.com>
	<F91D7562-B111-4BDE-9A68-6283C3EA6BA8@adelphia.net>
	<441A6755.2060303@chipp.com>
	<5CEEC473-56A7-4180-87AD-2959CF937523@daniels-mara.com>
Message-ID: <1F589EA0-EC55-42EE-A0B0-76C8CED0187E@canelasoftware.com>


On Mar 17, 2006, at 2:05 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote:

> I was thinking of putting a "-- pass [sys msg name]" in every blank  
> system message handler Constellation creates. That way the user  
> could un-comment the "pass". Like Chipp, most of the time I find  
> the "pass" in a default handler unneeded.


I would be one of those that would like it to just put the end  
[handler name] for me.  On the rare occasions that I want parameters  
or pass or anything else, I'll just type them in myself.


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Fri Mar 17 18:29:13 2006
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 23:29:13 +0000
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <17995335415.20060317102642@ahsoftware.net>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>
	<17995335415.20060317102642@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <93C50FC5-5CBB-49CB-BB61-8AB2247B93C7@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 17 Mar 2006, at 18:26, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Marielle-
>
> Friday, March 17, 2006, 4:44:16 AM, you wrote:
>
>> many Japanese management concepts such as Total Quality Control,
>> Quality Control circles, small group activities, labor relations. Key
>> elements of Kaizen are quality, effort, involvement of all employees,
>> willingness to change, and communication.
>
> Having been involved with Total Quality initiatives, Quality Control
> Circles, etc, on this side of the pond I can say from experience that
> they are doomed to failure because of underlying cultural differences.
> Labor and social relationships are not structured in western societies
> to provide the level of trust and support required to allow them to be
> effective.


Like Lynn, I've spent a long time in Japan, and my life still carries  
the trappings.

I agree with what you say, Mark, but I think it isn't the whole  
picture. In the early 80s, a guy at a Japanese steel company  
explained to me how his time was being taken up with visiting  
Americans determined to learn the secrets of Japanese TQC.  He felt  
they were wasting their time. Not because they were incapable of  
learning, but because there was nothing to learn. He said that  
Westerners will debate and evaluate various methods until they decide  
on the best approach. Japanese corporations, on the other hand, will  
take any method, good or bad, and make it work. Having subsequently  
worked with a number of large Japanese corporations, I think his  
comments were very shrewd. In other words, it's not that Japanese  
methods transferred to the west are doomed to failure, but rather  
that any method adopted by Japanese corporations is doomed to  
success. (But that was in the 80s, and plenty has changed since then.)

Cheers
Dave


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Mar 17 18:30:38 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 09:30:38 +1000
Subject: Pass - is it really needed
In-Reply-To: <1F589EA0-EC55-42EE-A0B0-76C8CED0187E@canelasoftware.com>
References: <8FF5068C-4B6D-4CB8-BA50-B6C418BC9B08@adelphia.net>
	<441A4779.1090501@hyperactivesw.com>
	<F91D7562-B111-4BDE-9A68-6283C3EA6BA8@adelphia.net>
	<441A6755.2060303@chipp.com>
	<5CEEC473-56A7-4180-87AD-2959CF937523@daniels-mara.com>
	<1F589EA0-EC55-42EE-A0B0-76C8CED0187E@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603171530i7777226fhb53618f49b2b0a08@mail.gmail.com>

> > I was thinking of putting a "-- pass [sys msg name]" in every blank
> > system message handler Constellation creates. That way the user
> > could un-comment the "pass". Like Chipp, most of the time I find
> > the "pass" in a default handler unneeded.
>
>
> I would be one of those that would like it to just put the end
> [handler name] for me.  On the rare occasions that I want parameters
> or pass or anything else, I'll just type them in myself.
>

I agree. There is a very small list of handlers where I usually have a
pass: openStack, preOpenStack, openCard, preOpenCard. Apart from that
I almost never use pass, so I would  prefer it if Constellation left
it out and I added it manually when needed.

You could add another preference:
  add pass to all new handlers
  add pass to system messages only
  never add pass

Cheers,
Sarah


From psahores at easynet.fr  Fri Mar 17 18:32:41 2006
From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 00:32:41 +0100
Subject: Integrating Revolution and Flash
In-Reply-To: <8CD3C97D72BC144CB87AEBAD8D2E973202DF1572@GAIA.FBL.insead.intra>
References: <8CD3C97D72BC144CB87AEBAD8D2E973202DF1572@GAIA.FBL.insead.intra>
Message-ID: <ECC3D07A-7797-4FDD-B10E-A490DD6A7EC4@easynet.fr>

Hi Pradeep,

First, i would say yes, as long as flash can be handled trough  
javascript calls we can bind to transcript handlers (i do that* all  
the time, for my own *.js stored/used as global vars from inside my  
rev-based web applications servers).
Second, i would recommand to use AJAX (prototype.js framework and  
accessories) as long as AJAX let us code all what can be managed from  
within flash without making us depend from the Macromedia proprietary  
solution.

Just as a small example illustration of the AJAX potential <http:// 
www2.sahores-conseil.com/puzzle.html>

All the Best to You and Albert,

Le 17 mars 06 ? 10:14, MITTAL Pradeep Kumar a ?crit :

> Hello,
>
> Is there any way to integrate revolution and flash ?
>
> Some way of placing  Flash UI on top of Rev Card.
> On top of revolution Object (lets say button ) one can put the flash
> button. And when one clicks then revoluion button script is called.
> Rev can create the XML file and then XML Data can be sent to flash swf
> and vice versa.
>
> What do you think ? Is there anyone who has tried integrating rev an
> flash?
>
> Best Regards
> Pradeep
>
>
>
>
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From lynn at paradigmasoft.com  Fri Mar 17 18:47:52 2006
From: lynn at paradigmasoft.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:47:52 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <1069483188-200868752@lindbergh.macserve.net>

Hi all,

I must have missed the fuse on this thread, sorry - I only caught it from
Mark's response to Kaizen - sorry, Marielle, I accidentally deleted your
list of concerns but have now a copy to review. Some of it Id like to
discuss off list.

Lets step away from the impending flames of non-product issues. Until Jacque
finishes her time travel stack, there isnt much that can be done with
history :-) 

2006 will be a good year for Runtime as a company and Revolution as a
product platform. There is a limit to the amount of detail I can go into in
a public venue. There are some things we can discuss in more detail at
RevCon West. I hope to all see you there. In the spirit of the season,
please allow the baby bird to hatch out :-)

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd




From jspencer78 at mac.com  Fri Mar 17 19:23:35 2006
From: jspencer78 at mac.com (James Spencer)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:23:35 -0600
Subject: Pass - is it really needed
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860603171530i7777226fhb53618f49b2b0a08@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8FF5068C-4B6D-4CB8-BA50-B6C418BC9B08@adelphia.net>
	<441A4779.1090501@hyperactivesw.com>
	<F91D7562-B111-4BDE-9A68-6283C3EA6BA8@adelphia.net>
	<441A6755.2060303@chipp.com>
	<5CEEC473-56A7-4180-87AD-2959CF937523@daniels-mara.com>
	<1F589EA0-EC55-42EE-A0B0-76C8CED0187E@canelasoftware.com>
	<f99b52860603171530i7777226fhb53618f49b2b0a08@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A90B5A28-C215-4D7E-9773-DE7CE8025FD4@mac.com>


On Mar 17, 2006, at 5:30 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> I agree. There is a very small list of handlers where I usually have a
> pass: openStack, preOpenStack, openCard, preOpenCard. Apart from that
> I almost never use pass, so I would  prefer it if Constellation left
> it out and I added it manually when needed.
>
> You could add another preference:
>   add pass to all new handlers
>   add pass to system messages only
>   never add pass

... and to be really perfect, a fourth preferences to add pass to  
system handlers selected from a list!

Seriously, an option to add pass to system messages only would be  
very nice.

Spence

James P. Spencer
Rochester, MN

jspencer78 at mac.com

"Badges??  We don't need no stinkin badges!"



From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Fri Mar 17 20:02:37 2006
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:02:37 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <93C50FC5-5CBB-49CB-BB61-8AB2247B93C7@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20060318010243.1F4467F01A@spatula.dreamhost.com>

> I agree with what you say, Mark, but I think it isn't the 
> whole picture. In the early 80s, a guy at a Japanese steel 
> company explained to me how his time was being taken up with 
> visiting Americans determined to learn the secrets of 
> Japanese TQC.  He felt they were wasting their time. Not 
> because they were incapable of learning, but because there 
> was nothing to learn. He said that Westerners will debate and 
> evaluate various methods until they decide on the best 
> approach. Japanese corporations, on the other hand, will take 
> any method, good or bad, and make it work. Having 
> subsequently worked with a number of large Japanese 
> corporations, I think his comments were very shrewd. In other 
> words, it's not that Japanese methods transferred to the west 
> are doomed to failure, but rather that any method adopted by 
> Japanese corporations is doomed to success. (But that was in 
> the 80s, and plenty has changed since then.)

That's true - I don't think the mentality has changed since that time,
though economic shifts did have its social impact. Failure really isn't an
option - they make it work. But it is possible to use Japanese methods and
have strong, cohesive, quality minded teams, even with a few Americans
walking on the tatami mats with muddy shoes ;-) It is just extremely hard to
achieve.

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Mar 17 20:29:45 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 19:29:45 -0600
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <1069483188-200868752@lindbergh.macserve.net>
References: <1069483188-200868752@lindbergh.macserve.net>
Message-ID: <441B6289.6070205@hyperactivesw.com>

Lynn Fredricks wrote:

>  Until Jacque
> finishes her time travel stack, there isnt much that can be done with
> history :-) 
> 
> 2006 will be a good year for Runtime as a company and Revolution as a
> product platform. 

Playing with the beta again, are  you? ;)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From Kresten.Bjerg at psy.ku.dk  Fri Mar 17 21:20:00 2006
From: Kresten.Bjerg at psy.ku.dk (Kresten Bjerg)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 03:20:00 +0100
Subject: Mind mapping in Rev ?
Message-ID: <s41b7c83.071@PSYLIN2.LIN.KU.DK>

Has anyone been experimenting with implementing elementary mind-mapping functions
in Rev ?
In our development of a  global freeware e-diary tool we would like to include at least 
some options for users to build and update their own mind-maps, without having to pay 
many hundreds meals of rice for themselves or their kids to do it?

But a search on this site hardly has a clue. 
 If the INSPIRATION people could do it many many years ago, it shouldnt be that complicated ?

And with the 100 dollar MIT laptop to Africa it might fit into a linux context !

Kresten Bjerg


www.psy.ku.dk/bjerg/diary.htm   - user site: "Phenomenalog"  under name: Kresten


From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Fri Mar 17 21:32:17 2006
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:32:17 -0800
Subject: Draw spokes on a wheel
In-Reply-To: <77C20E72-EA9D-42BE-9FDF-C60934AE8CC8@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <C040B131.1936F%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

On 3/17/06 2:24 PM, "Mark Talluto" <userev at canelasoftware.com> wrote:

> One things is for sure, I owe each of you a drink of your choice at the RevCon
> in Monterey this year.

With positive reinforcement like that, I'll do even better:

on mouseUp
  drawAstig 50,200,225,2
end mouseUp

on drawAstig pSpokeRadiusInner,pSpokeRadiusOuter,pLabelRadius,pLineSize
  go url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/StopTurtles.rev"
  start using stack "stopTurtles" -- note: thanks, Jim Hurley
  create stack
  set the width of it to 600
  set the height of it to 600
  go to it
  lock screen
  set the textSize of the templateField to 16
  set the margins of the templateField to 1,7,0,0
  startTurtle
  setH 75 -- note: set heading
  repeat with i = 1 to 24
    penUp
    forward pSpokeRadiusInner
    penDown
    forward pSpokeRadiusOuter - pSpokeRadiusInner
    penUp
    if i mod 2 = 0 then
      forward pLabelRadius - pSpokeRadiusOuter
      label i div 2
      set the width of last field to the formattedWidth of last field
      set the height of last field to the formattedHeight of last field
      back pLabelRadius
    else
      back pSpokeRadiusOuter
    end if
    right 15
  end repeat
  stopTurtle
  set the lineSize of last graphic to pLineSize
  unlock screen
end drawAstig

RevConWest is sounding better and better...

-- Dick




From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Mar 17 22:05:47 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:05:47 -0600
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <1069483188-200868752@lindbergh.macserve.net>
References: <1069483188-200868752@lindbergh.macserve.net>
Message-ID: <441B790B.2050201@chipp.com>

Interesting topic.

I've probably logged over 30 trips to Japan since 1986. I once had the 
good fortune to meet with a Dr. Sasaki, the father of computer science 
in Japan for lunch. He was an original member of the ENIAC team here in 
the US.

I mentioned to him that many years before, Japan had a reputation for 
cheap products, then they proved it wrong by creating high-quality 
products. I then mentioned the fact people said Japan couldn't create 
steel, to which they ended up virtually owning the steel industry. I 
furthered on with topics on consumer electronics, computers parts, 
computers, cars, etc..each time with Japan ultimately proving to the 
world their mastery of such industries.

Finally, I said, the current knock on Japan was they couldn't develop 
software, and would they again prove the naysayer wrong? To my 
astonishment, he answered 'NO', the naysayers were correct. Japan would 
never be a great software development country. I asked him this 10 years 
ago, and didn't believe his answer.

He gave 3 reasons for this:

1) The culture. Great software is typically created by a small group of 
only a few developers-- not the Japanese way of throwing manpower at a 
problem. Furthurmore, typcially good developers are not very social and 
can be obstinate (duh!), which again flys against the culture. And, the 
program all night when on a roll, then sleep all day type would never 
fly in a Japanese corporation.

2) It is very difficult for startup companies to begin in Japan. There 
are huge incorporation fees, plus it's almost impossible to go public, 
so it's difficult to find investors, Because the 'equity' of a software 
startup is not 'tangible', it's very difficult to get banks to become 
involved, and a good banking relationship is very important to startups.

3) Lastly, the best computer languages were based in English, and very 
different from the way Japanese read and write.

I imagine much of this has changed in the past 10 years or so since we 
last talked, but I still believe many of his concerns have some 
validity. Of course, as recently as a couple of years ago, I toured a 
new CG Manga studio where people slept on the floor under the desks in 
makeshift tent-beds and generally had a more 'western' feel like many 
game studios do today.

Of course, as they say, the proof is in the pudding. And, we've yet to 
see any big mainstream programs come out of Japan. But, there are some. 
I believe Shade 3D is a Japanese program (Lynn, you may know about this?).

-Chipp



From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Fri Mar 17 22:28:27 2006
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 19:28:27 -0800
Subject: Mind mapping in Rev ?
In-Reply-To: <s41b7c83.071@PSYLIN2.LIN.KU.DK>
Message-ID: <C040BE5B.1937A%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

On 3/17/06 6:20 PM, "Kresten Bjerg" <Kresten.Bjerg at psy.ku.dk> wrote:

> Has anyone been experimenting with implementing elementary mind-mapping
> functions in Rev ?

Yes, I have, although I'd have to emphasize elementary.

A user creates graphic objects like ovals to represent concepts, and
connects them using the mouse to draw arrows.  When the user moves the mouse
over a concept graphic, the graphic changes color, and a field appears
showing custom text, like a tool tip, but with arbitrarily long text.  When
the user moves the mouse over an arrow graphic, the arrow and the concepts
it connects change color and show their custom text.  When the user clicks
custom text, it's unlocked and selected, so the user can edit it.  When the
user moves a graphic that has arrows to it or from it, the arrows move too.

What do you want?

By the way, according to conceptDraw.com, which offers a product called
MINDMAP 4, Mind Mapping? and Mind Map? are registered trademarks of the
Buzan Organization.

-- Dick




From userev at canelasoftware.com  Fri Mar 17 23:01:48 2006
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:01:48 -0800
Subject: Draw spokes on a wheel
In-Reply-To: <C040B131.1936F%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
References: <C040B131.1936F%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
Message-ID: <DCED2E77-119C-4252-87FD-79A32F9D6550@canelasoftware.com>


On Mar 17, 2006, at 6:32 PM, Dick Kriesel wrote:

> On 3/17/06 2:24 PM, "Mark Talluto" <userev at canelasoftware.com> wrote:
>
>> One things is for sure, I owe each of you a drink of your choice  
>> at the RevCon
>> in Monterey this year.
>
> With positive reinforcement like that, I'll do even better:
>
> on mouseUp
>   drawAstig 50,200,225,2
> end mouseUp
>
> on drawAstig  
> pSpokeRadiusInner,pSpokeRadiusOuter,pLabelRadius,pLineSize
>   go url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/StopTurtles.rev"
>   start using stack "stopTurtles" -- note: thanks, Jim Hurley
>   create stack
>   set the width of it to 600
>   set the height of it to 600
>   go to it
>   lock screen
>   set the textSize of the templateField to 16
>   set the margins of the templateField to 1,7,0,0
>   startTurtle
>   setH 75 -- note: set heading
>   repeat with i = 1 to 24
>     penUp
>     forward pSpokeRadiusInner
>     penDown
>     forward pSpokeRadiusOuter - pSpokeRadiusInner
>     penUp
>     if i mod 2 = 0 then
>       forward pLabelRadius - pSpokeRadiusOuter
>       label i div 2
>       set the width of last field to the formattedWidth of last field
>       set the height of last field to the formattedHeight of last  
> field
>       back pLabelRadius
>     else
>       back pSpokeRadiusOuter
>     end if
>     right 15
>   end repeat
>   stopTurtle
>   set the lineSize of last graphic to pLineSize
>   unlock screen
> end drawAstig
>
> RevConWest is sounding better and better...

I hope this means you are coming.  Thanks for taking another stab at  
this.  Looks like Jim Hurley's turtle graphics has gotten a hold of  
you as well.    I have been playing with all the solutions and have  
learned a lot from each.  Thanks again and the drink still stands!


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Sat Mar 18 00:18:34 2006
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:18:34 -0800
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <786E7FF8-BD8A-4300-A420-82CB1D1AC0C2@maseurope.net>
References: <38D6B541-DA1E-419F-B258-525DA4179819@adelphia.net>
	<30F16774-926D-4118-BC47-26CE326028FD@inspiredlogic.com>
	<786E7FF8-BD8A-4300-A420-82CB1D1AC0C2@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <CFA72767-5769-4A05-8EB3-F972CD8B802F@inspiredlogic.com>

Do you want them even though they are commented, or do you not want  
them?

For Navigator I don't care about commented handlers although I  
suppose maybe I should.

Since a comment relieves you of syntax requirements, this line is  
perfectly legitimate:

-- I've commented out this handler: on doSomething

I'm going to ignore such handlers, since they're just annoying. ;-)

That leaves two possibilities:

  -- on doSomething
  --on doSomething

So change the statement below to:

   if (word 1 of L is among the items of \
   "on,function,getprop,setprop,--on,--function,--getprop,--setprop"  
and...etc.) \
   or (word 1 of L is "--" and \
   word 2 of L is among the items of "on,function,getprop,setprop"  
and...etc.)

regards,

Geoff


On Mar 17, 2006, at 9:09 AM, Mark Smith wrote:

> Lucid and thorough, as usual. And we'd all forgotten about 'Prop'  
> handlers.
> However, to nitpick, and raise a question from earlier in the  
> thread, what about handlers that are commented out?
>
> hmmm..not as simple as it might seem...
>
> Mark
>
> On 17 Mar 2006, at 16:16, Geoff Canyon wrote:
>
>>
>> On Mar 16, 2006, at 5:25 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>>
>>> But, I would like to get just one of the handlers from a script  
>>> via script:    put handler "FooBar" of the script of card "Foo"  
>>> into tBar
>>
>> Most of the solutions presented so far make assumptions. For  
>> example, there can be more than one space between "on" and the  
>> handler name.
>>
>> In Navigator I use this to retrieve a list of the handler names:
>>
>> repeat for each line L in tText -- tText is the script
>>   if word 1 of L is among the items of  
>> "on,function,getprop,setprop" then
>>     put L & cr after tMenuText
>>   end if
>> end repeat
>>
>> So to get the handler you would be doing something like:
>>
>> put 0 into tLineNumber
>> put false into tEnteredHandler
>> repeat for each line L in tText -- tText is the script
>>   add 1 to tLineNumber
>>   if word 1 of L is among the items of  
>> "on,function,getprop,setprop" and \
>>     word 2 of L is tHandlerName then
>>     put tLineNumber into tStartLineNumber
>>     put true into tEnteredHandler
>>   end if
>>   if tEnteredHandler and \
>>     word 1 of L is "end" and \
>>     word 2 of L is tHandlerName then
>>     put tLineNumber into tEndLineNumber
>>     exit repeat
>>   end if
>> end repeat
>>
>> -- if tEnteredHandler is false, we didn't find the handler
>> -- if tEnteredHandler is true, tStartLineNumber is where it starts,
>> -- tEndLineNumber is where it ends
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> Geoff
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 18 01:17:00 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 22:17:00 -0800
Subject: Draw spokes on a wheel
In-Reply-To: <77C20E72-EA9D-42BE-9FDF-C60934AE8CC8@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <C040E5DC.3646C%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

One note of caution:
you might want to make the first three lines of the script

  repeat with x = the number of graphics down to 1
    delete graphic x
  end repeat

otherwise redoing/redrawing will keep adding graphics and give slower and
slower performance.

Happy you found a solution... and I will be tuning in to see what you come
up with and add it to my Syntax Lib !!

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 3/17/06 2:24 PM, "Mark Talluto" <userev at canelasoftware.com> wrote:

> Dick Kriesel, your solution worked extra perfectly as it even set up
> for the inner diameter, outer circumference, and the line size.
> Thanks to you as well.  I decided to use this solution for my project.
> 
> on drawAstig pInnerDiameter,pOuterDiameter,pLineSize
>    repeat with i = 0 to 345 step 15
>      create graphic
>      set the style of it to "oval"
>      set the height of it to pOuterDiameter
>      set the width of it to pOuterDiameter
>      set the angle of it to i
>      set the arcangle of it to 15
>      set the opaque of it to "true"
>      set the lineSize of it to pLineSize
>    end repeat
>    create graphic
>    set the style of it to "oval"
>    set the height of it to pInnerDiameter
>    set the width of it to pInnerDiameter
>    set the opaque of it to "true"
>    set the foregroundColor of it to "white"
>    create graphic
>    set the style of it to "oval"
>    set the height of it to pOuterDiameter+5
>    set the width of it to pOuterDiameter+5
>    set the foregroundColor of it to "white"
>    set the lineSize of it to pLineSize + 4
> end drawAstig




From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Sat Mar 18 01:26:19 2006
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 22:26:19 -0800
Subject: Draw spokes on a wheel
In-Reply-To: <DCED2E77-119C-4252-87FD-79A32F9D6550@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <C040E80B.19387%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

On 3/17/06 8:01 PM, "Mark Talluto" <userev at canelasoftware.com> wrote:

> I hope this means you are coming.

Yes, as a fine southern gentleman I know said, "God willin' and the creek
don't rise."

> Thanks for taking another stab at this.

You're welcome.  You didn't note whether it worked for you.  Did it?

> Looks like Jim Hurley's turtle graphics has gotten a hold of you as well.

Long ago, it was Logo's turtle graphics that got hold of me.  Jim's
implementation enabled the simple solution.  Thanks, Jim.

-- Dick




From herz at ucsd.edu  Sat Mar 18 02:15:42 2006
From: herz at ucsd.edu (Richard K. Herz)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 23:15:42 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <20060317212345.1630B826848@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060317212345.1630B826848@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <441BB39E.5030207@ucsd.edu>

 > I had the pleasure of serving tiramisu

A gracious host, Richard G. is! Thanks for your full meal of a post as 
well as your deserts.

Rich


From shaosean at hotmail.com  Sat Mar 18 02:35:08 2006
From: shaosean at hotmail.com (Sean Shao)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 02:35:08 -0500
Subject: [REQ] Testers needed
Message-ID: <BAY105-F149C35B5365A8E1D8ED51AC3E50@phx.gbl>

In the next few days I will be finishing up development and internal testing 
of a custom listbox object and will be needing testers. Information about 
the listbox object (and a single screen capture) is available at my website.

The listbox object comes with a visual editor to allow you to place controls 
in the row. Controls currently supported are:

- standard buttons
- rectangle buttons
- checkboxes
- radio buttons
- option menus
- label fields
- text fields
- images
- movies (and I guess audio files too)

Other features also include:

- setting the row colour
- setting an alternate colour (ala mac os x)
- setting a mouse enter colour
- setting a selected row colour

-Sean

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From shaosean at hotmail.com  Sat Mar 18 02:35:27 2006
From: shaosean at hotmail.com (Sean Shao)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 02:35:27 -0500
Subject: [REQ] Testers needed
Message-ID: <BAY105-F2056020B7E7EA90E2CC314C3E50@phx.gbl>

In the next few days I will be finishing up development and internal testing 
of a custom listbox object and will be needing testers. Information about 
the listbox object (and a single screen capture) is available at my website.

The listbox object comes with a visual editor to allow you to place controls 
in the row. Controls currently supported are:

- standard buttons
- rectangle buttons
- checkboxes
- radio buttons
- option menus
- label fields
- text fields
- images
- movies (and I guess audio files too)

Other features also include:

- setting the row colour
- setting an alternate colour (ala mac os x)
- setting a mouse enter colour
- setting a selected row colour

--
Sean <www.shaosean.tk>

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From userev at canelasoftware.com  Sat Mar 18 03:20:45 2006
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 00:20:45 -0800
Subject: Draw spokes on a wheel
In-Reply-To: <C040E80B.19387%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
References: <C040E80B.19387%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
Message-ID: <C34E13D9-3922-4D47-B51E-7495E2D23736@canelasoftware.com>


On Mar 17, 2006, at 10:26 PM, Dick Kriesel wrote:

> You're welcome.  You didn't note whether it worked for you.  Did it?

It worked very well.  I did end up using Malte's solution because I  
was able to modify it easily enough to have it rotate as needed.  I  
will be tinkering with the turtle graphics that Jim has developed.  I  
learned a lot from all the solutions indeed!  Thx again!


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From userev at canelasoftware.com  Sat Mar 18 03:21:39 2006
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 00:21:39 -0800
Subject: Draw spokes on a wheel
In-Reply-To: <C040E5DC.3646C%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C040E5DC.3646C%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <31CA1D4C-BA99-4BE7-894C-0592397486C0@canelasoftware.com>


On Mar 17, 2006, at 10:17 PM, Jim Ault wrote:

> Happy you found a solution... and I will be tuning in to see what  
> you come
> up with and add it to my Syntax Lib !!


I ended up going back to Malte's solution and borrowed your ideas of  
setting up the variables for quick manipulation.  The hybrid result  
is coming out real nice.  I will even have it rotating in a day or so  
in my application when I get back from a conference this weekend.  My  
test stack shows it all works very nicely.  Thanks again for your help!


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From katir at hindu.org  Sat Mar 18 04:40:22 2006
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 23:40:22 -1000
Subject: DRM for Images and Text in Stacks
In-Reply-To: <6A2645BE-83C8-4A07-84A7-8240F4BDE087@canelasoftware.com>
References: <C033059A.371B8%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<B690EC9E-DBEB-4EFC-B1FD-12C0D6925708@hindu.org>
	<A175C2AC-6034-4A88-B13E-B3876C173B64@hindu.org>
	<p06230911c0409a9571b5@[192.168.1.103]>
	<6A2645BE-83C8-4A07-84A7-8240F4BDE087@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <AFD008B7-DD5D-496A-A967-7129F8C05700@hindu.org>

1) The "bad guys" are in my "dream world" are other owners of the Rev  
IDE, which has in this future world, become as ubiquitous as Acrobat  
Professional. It implies that Rev actually does become wildly  
popular... In that  world, not all will be as scrupulous as our  
current obviously rapidly growing group of Rev users. The "bad guys"  
are people in need of content for their projects or web sites who use  
our content. It's already happening... with images from our web sites  
now, which is fine because we own it all. Within 72 hours  of going  
live with "http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/books/dws/" the  
site was indexed by Google, hit on by users to browse and others took  
images which started appearing on other servers, which was fine in  
this case because we owned it all. "Bad" implies that these people   
are "criminals" but actually we don't think like that at all, we tend  
to deploy stuff rather freely and it looks that way to everyone and  
so they take it and re use it and we never do much about it...   
"share with the world" model.. It save an enormous amount of mental  
reestate that would other wise be invested in protection and yet  
still be able to draw some "lines" inside the media itself where  
users see "can't go there..."

2) Yes, all the options  for encryption and storing the media  
externally are all there. But I would still

	a) like to be able to have the media in the stack and
	b) see a drop dead simple option to block viewing of substacks in  
the IDE...

because i) encrypt, decrypt and display is sluggish, of course  you  
script around even that by unpacking media in advance of display..  
but then  ii) CMS starts to get  complicated if  you separate the  
media from the stack. it gets back to use of mental re-estate  
invested in the "protection" business. It's just so "neat" to have  
it  all in the stack. This makes it very portable, and, side benefit:  
scripting the  presentation to an amazingly "baby" simple set of  "Go  
Next Card" handlers with a few transitions. Or, if one is in a "do it  
all on one card" mood.., then hide and show  handlers...

Anyway, thanks for all the solutions.. I've put in my feature  
request, something as brainless as "set security" in the IDE, check  
that box for the substack and that's the beginning and end of  time  
and effort in the protection business. 'til  then all  your good  
ideas are in my tool box... I'll try some.

Sivakatirswami
Himalayan Academy Publications
www.HimalayanAcademy.com,
www.HinduismToday.com


On Mar 17, 2006, at 8:28 AM, Mark Talluto wrote:

> On Mar 17, 2006, at 8:57 AM, Stephen Barncard wrote:
>
>> Why can't you protect the access online to the files on a secure  
>> server rather than try to protect the media? Who or what are the  
>> 'bad guys'??
>>
>> sqb
>
>
> Can the files be outside the application in a "data" folder  
> perhaps?  If so, you could just encrypt them with a setup app.   
> Your player or media app would then import the encrypted file,  
> decrypt it, and then show it.  All the while, the download media is  
> encrypted and safe.



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Sat Mar 18 05:27:15 2006
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 11:27:15 +0100
Subject: DRM for Images and Text in Stacks
In-Reply-To: <AFD008B7-DD5D-496A-A967-7129F8C05700@hindu.org>
References: <C033059A.371B8%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<B690EC9E-DBEB-4EFC-B1FD-12C0D6925708@hindu.org>
	<A175C2AC-6034-4A88-B13E-B3876C173B64@hindu.org>
	<p06230911c0409a9571b5@[192.168.1.103]>
	<6A2645BE-83C8-4A07-84A7-8240F4BDE087@canelasoftware.com>
	<AFD008B7-DD5D-496A-A967-7129F8C05700@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <p06200702c0418ff6e22e@[10.0.0.42]>

At 11:40 PM -1000 3/17/06, Sivakatirswami wrote:
>see a drop dead simple option to block viewing of substacks in the IDE...

If you place in the stack script of one of these files you are sending
'out into the world'  (iow - not an in-house production file that you
might use later for working on)   the following script:

if the environment is "development" then quit

does that not prevent someone from opening it up in the IDE?

ciao,
sims



From katir at hindu.org  Sat Mar 18 05:39:44 2006
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 00:39:44 -1000
Subject: DRM for Images and Text in Stacks
In-Reply-To: <p06200702c0418ff6e22e@[10.0.0.42]>
References: <C033059A.371B8%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<B690EC9E-DBEB-4EFC-B1FD-12C0D6925708@hindu.org>
	<A175C2AC-6034-4A88-B13E-B3876C173B64@hindu.org>
	<p06230911c0409a9571b5@[192.168.1.103]>
	<6A2645BE-83C8-4A07-84A7-8240F4BDE087@canelasoftware.com>
	<AFD008B7-DD5D-496A-A967-7129F8C05700@hindu.org>
	<p06200702c0418ff6e22e@[10.0.0.42]>
Message-ID: <8A57CA63-03B6-40ED-B19B-196E3EBE315D@hindu.org>


On Mar 18, 2006, at 12:27 AM, sims wrote:

> At 11:40 PM -1000 3/17/06, Sivakatirswami wrote:
>> see a drop dead simple option to block viewing of substacks in the  
>> IDE...
>
> If you place in the stack script of one of these files you are sending
> 'out into the world'  (iow - not an in-house production file that you
> might use later for working on)   the following script:
>
> if the environment is "development" then quit
>
> does that not prevent someone from opening it up in the IDE?

mmm. I'm reviewing  all the memos to date on this and see you already  
mentioned this.

OK yes, I think this is "doable"   I will try it. I wonder how  
hackable this could be from inside the IDE if one were to place that  
line into just the script of the substack "library"


>
> ciao,
> sims



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Sat Mar 18 05:41:45 2006
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 11:41:45 +0100
Subject: DRM for Images and Text in Stacks
In-Reply-To: <8A57CA63-03B6-40ED-B19B-196E3EBE315D@hindu.org>
References: <C033059A.371B8%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<B690EC9E-DBEB-4EFC-B1FD-12C0D6925708@hindu.org>
	<A175C2AC-6034-4A88-B13E-B3876C173B64@hindu.org>
	<p06230911c0409a9571b5@[192.168.1.103]>
	<6A2645BE-83C8-4A07-84A7-8240F4BDE087@canelasoftware.com>
	<AFD008B7-DD5D-496A-A967-7129F8C05700@hindu.org>
	<p06200702c0418ff6e22e@[10.0.0.42]>
	<8A57CA63-03B6-40ED-B19B-196E3EBE315D@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <p06200703c041942fdf8f@[10.0.0.42]>

>On Mar 18, 2006, at 12:27 AM, sims wrote:
>
>>At 11:40 PM -1000 3/17/06, Sivakatirswami wrote:
>>>see a drop dead simple option to block viewing of substacks in the IDE...
>>
>>If you place in the stack script of one of these files you are sending
>>'out into the world'  (iow - not an in-house production file that you
>>might use later for working on)   the following script:
>>
>>if the environment is "development" then quit
>>
>>does that not prevent someone from opening it up in the IDE?
>
>mmm. I'm reviewing  all the memos to date on this and see you 
>already mentioned this.
>
>OK yes, I think this is "doable"   I will try it. I wonder how 
>hackable this could be from inside the IDE if one were to place that 
>line into just the script of the substack "library"
>
>>
>>ciao,
>>sims
>
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From sims at ezpzapps.com  Sat Mar 18 05:52:21 2006
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 11:52:21 +0100
Subject: DRM for Images and Text in Stacks
In-Reply-To: <8A57CA63-03B6-40ED-B19B-196E3EBE315D@hindu.org>
References: <C033059A.371B8%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<B690EC9E-DBEB-4EFC-B1FD-12C0D6925708@hindu.org>
	<A175C2AC-6034-4A88-B13E-B3876C173B64@hindu.org>
	<p06230911c0409a9571b5@[192.168.1.103]>
	<6A2645BE-83C8-4A07-84A7-8240F4BDE087@canelasoftware.com>
	<AFD008B7-DD5D-496A-A967-7129F8C05700@hindu.org>
	<p06200702c0418ff6e22e@[10.0.0.42]>
	<8A57CA63-03B6-40ED-B19B-196E3EBE315D@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <p06200704c041948df5bd@[10.0.0.42]>

At 12:39 AM -1000 3/18/06, Sivakatirswami wrote:
>>if the environment is "development" then quit

With one app I...
placed QuickTime videos into a  userprop inside of individual files
that had the above script.

I then had an app open that file, grab the userprop, and create a QT 
video as a temporary file.

Then the appropriate player object played that video and when it was 
finished playing the app would then delete that temp file.

Seemed to keep everything well hidden, maybe not 100% foolproof
but what is?    ;-)

ciao,
sims

European Rev Conference  2006
www.techietours.com


From dam-pro.girard at laposte.net  Sat Mar 18 05:55:23 2006
From: dam-pro.girard at laposte.net (Girard Damien)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 10:55:23 -0000
Subject: Problem with a switch control structure
Message-ID: <op.smd531kpjdmo9t@white-side>

Hi all,

I have got this script, and I have got a problem.

put "1" into toto
switch toto
  case toto > 1
  answer ">1"
  break
case toto < 1
  answer "<1"
  break
case toto = 1
  answer "=1"
  break
end switch

The problem is that none of these case is executed. Problably I have  
forget something, but I don't know what.

Regards,

Girard Damien


From klaus at major-k.de  Sat Mar 18 07:13:17 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 13:13:17 +0100
Subject: Problem with a switch control structure
In-Reply-To: <op.smd531kpjdmo9t@white-side>
References: <op.smd531kpjdmo9t@white-side>
Message-ID: <6D529DC0-5629-4E0B-82FD-8208A10A9BDB@major-k.de>

Bonjour Girard,

> Hi all,
>
> I have got this script, and I have got a problem.
>
> put "1" into toto
> switch toto
>  case toto > 1
>  answer ">1"
>  break
> case toto < 1
>  answer "<1"
>  break
> case toto = 1
>  answer "=1"
>  break
> end switch
>
> The problem is that none of these case is executed. Problably I  
> have forget something, but I don't know what.

this will work:

put "1" into toto
switch
## without toto, since in this case we have an EXPRESSION
## and not a VALUE that has to be evaluated...
  case toto > 1
  answer ">1"
  break
case toto < 1
  answer "<1"
  break
case toto = 1
  answer "=1"
  break
end switch

Check the docs for a deeper explanation of "why" :-)

> Regards,
>
> Girard Damien

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Sat Mar 18 07:32:47 2006
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 13:32:47 +0100
Subject: The long answer on when to use a function vs command
Message-ID: <b18d69e6a9b5a3dca0602b0dd9dfd4c2@wanadoo.fr>

Geoff,

I thought your article was excellent also ......

Thanks

-Francis

"Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"


> I wrote an article about this. It's at:
>
> http://inspiredlogic.com/articles/functions.html
>
> It gives several examples.




From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Sat Mar 18 09:29:04 2006
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 15:29:04 +0100
Subject: Positioning the message box ?
Message-ID: <2517911fbf2fb533cdfe38493f54e994@wanadoo.fr>

Hi Sarah,

Using "show" seems to be the problem. If you just do something like:

     set the rect of stack "Message box" to 137,554,538,696
     put "Here I am"

it will stay in the right place.

As you suggested, this works, BUT under Dreamcard development.

Unfortunately under Stack Runner (both Mac and PC), not only
does this not work, but it blows my script on the command "set".
even when preceded by a :

  show message box

In all events, under Stack Runner,  both the :

show message box

and the

put "xxx" into message box

are both inoperative ! Not a message box on the horizon !

In the doc, nothing specifies that the functions are only for
developing applications. Would this be a bug (shudder !) ?

However - thanks for the suggestions

-Francis

"Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"


From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Sat Mar 18 09:33:05 2006
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 06:33:05 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <441B790B.2050201@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <20060318143310.9F8777F01A@spatula.dreamhost.com>

Hi Chipp,

Yes, this is a very relevant list, though some things have changed at bit.

> He gave 3 reasons for this:
> 
> 1) The culture. Great software is typically created by a 
> small group of only a few developers-- not the Japanese way 
> of throwing manpower at a problem. Furthurmore, typcially 
> good developers are not very social and can be obstinate 
> (duh!), which again flys against the culture. And, the 
> program all night when on a roll, then sleep all day type 
> would never fly in a Japanese corporation.

There is a growing "studio" mentality in Japan and also, the weirdness that
is family owned business. A few years ago, a merger between Sega and Bandai
failed because Bandai is a family run business, and Sega is more mainstream
(actually they have a more hardcore, no prisoners culture comparable to
Oracle).

What Chipp is referring to above is interesting because, it rarely happens
in the office but it can happen in incremental improvements happening on the
"floor" -- where suits rarely go. A surprising amount of those incremental
improvemetns come from the floor.


> 2) It is very difficult for startup companies to begin in 
> Japan. There are huge incorporation fees, plus it's almost 
> impossible to go public, so it's difficult to find investors, 
> Because the 'equity' of a software startup is not 'tangible', 
> it's very difficult to get banks to become involved, and a 
> good banking relationship is very important to startups.

This has gotten better in some ways, worse in others. When the Japanese
bubble economy popped, quite a few banks simply closed, merged or were
bought out. While there is now a VC climate in Japan, I don't think its
really made up for the hard times.

At one time simple incorporation stamp cost you $10K. Now it is possible to
get by with much less, or create a foreign subsidiary without the huge paid
in capital requirements of yore.

> 3) Lastly, the best computer languages were based in English, 
> and very different from the way Japanese read and write.

And in addition, the computer industry was dominated by the NEC 9800
platform, which was close but not quite the same as the AT architecture here
- dominated as in Microsoft made versions of DOS and Windows for it. Id say
this is one of the reasons why the Mac maintained a foothold longer in Japan
than in other places - the mainstream x86 architecture had to compete with
the NEC platform.

> I imagine much of this has changed in the past 10 years or so 
> since we last talked, but I still believe many of his 
> concerns have some validity. Of course, as recently as a 
> couple of years ago, I toured a new CG Manga studio where 
> people slept on the floor under the desks in makeshift 
> tent-beds and generally had a more 'western' feel like many 
> game studios do today.

Yes, and I think there is a certain infectiousness to this as well, esp in
creative industries.

> Of course, as they say, the proof is in the pudding. And, 
> we've yet to see any big mainstream programs come out of 
> Japan. But, there are some. 
> I believe Shade 3D is a Japanese program (Lynn, you may know 
> about this?).

Yes, and while it is a great product, the mid-market (and up) marketspace
for 3D applications, as a vertical market, has been in a total bloodbath for
years -- and its gotten much worse with the acquisition of Alias. Shade is
an excellent example. Its quite good, esp if you come from a CAD or
architecture background. E-frontier, makers of Shade, acquired Curious Labs
(makers of Poser) now little over two years ago, and they are making some of
those famous Japanese improvements to Shade to adapt to the US market. They
also have a good US staff that really know the 3D industry here.

Another piece of software that is Japanese is --- the Ruby language.

My first company did a lot of work with early Japanese game companies (back
in the Super Nintendo days) and while the underlying software was incredibly
fast (written mostly in assembly, with very little of that wimpy C or C++
stuff ;-)) - it seemed that almost all the games were exactly the same,
except for some funny graphics and backstory.

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd





From rcozens at pon.net  Sat Mar 18 10:19:06 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 07:19:06 -0800
Subject: Rev 2.7 needs to close
In-Reply-To: <p06230915c040c81d1c6e@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <000801c649e7$c85a4530$6401a8c0@toshibauser>
	<4D72552F-B5EC-11DA-9CFB-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<p06230915c040c81d1c6e@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <8A3F84F4-B692-11DA-A398-0030657E1638@pon.net>


Hi Stephen,

> We may have 2 bug numbers for the same bug...
>
> sqb: <http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=3359>
> clicking or dragging text randomly fatally crashes rev. Sometimes core 
> dump dialog appears.
> *Confirmed with 2 apple debug dumps sent to runrev.
>
> Rob: <http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=3395>
>
>
> is this possible?
>

Yes...my mistake:

I checked under Standalone Editor before logging 3395; but 3359 is 
listed under OS Crash Logs.

Also I was listing the problem for WinXP and 3359 listed the platform 
as OSX.

Is 3359 restricted to the Script Editor, or do you see the problem with 
field text as well?

I'll add a comment to 3395 cross-referencing 3359 [interesting 
coincidental digit transposition, eh?].  Perhaps you should also enter 
a cross reference to 3395 at 3359?

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From rcozens at pon.net  Sat Mar 18 10:43:01 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 07:43:01 -0800
Subject: imagedata in Word XML
In-Reply-To: <AE158D00-5EC9-46C1-81EC-ECC340FC9E8A@mindspring.com>
References: <9614903A-563B-4CEA-937E-33F2ABAC8722@iglow-media.nl>
	<AE158D00-5EC9-46C1-81EC-ECC340FC9E8A@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <E1F6D568-B695-11DA-A398-0030657E1638@pon.net>


Gordy, et al:

> Well, even though you decode the information from the WordML file, now 
> you have a binary representation of a PNG or JPEG, etc., and that is 
> not in a format proper for imageData, which is an array of 4-byte 
> integers, each integer representing one pixel.  You will have to 
> base-64 decode the information in the WordML file and then read it in 
> as if you were reading an image file off a disk, etc.  This will 
> decompress the information that is encoded in the file and then you 
> can use the result as imageData.
>

Are you sure the result should be used as the imageData of an image 
rather than its text?

I don't know exactly what is stored in WordML; but my understanding is 
that the text of an image is the actual binary content of the image 
file, while the imageData is a Rev-proprietary representation of the 
image as currently displayed.

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From jhurley at infostations.com  Sat Mar 18 11:11:40 2006
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:11:40 -0800
Subject: Draw spokes on a wheel
In-Reply-To: <20060318141758.8D5AD8265A9@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060318141758.8D5AD8265A9@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p06230902c041ddd6760b@[10.0.1.2]>

>
>Message: 21
>Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 00:20:45 -0800
>From: Mark Talluto <userev at canelasoftware.com>
>Subject: Re: Draw spokes on a wheel
>To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>Message-ID: <C34E13D9-3922-4D47-B51E-7495E2D23736 at canelasoftware.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
>
>On Mar 17, 2006, at 10:26 PM, Dick Kriesel wrote:
>
>>  You're welcome.  You didn't note whether it worked for you.  Did it?
>
>It worked very well.  I did end up using Malte's solution because I
>was able to modify it easily enough to have it rotate as needed.  I 
>will be tinkering with the turtle graphics that Jim has developed.  I 
>learned a lot from all the solutions indeed!  Thx again!
>
>
>Mark Talluto
>--
>CANELA Software
>http://www.canelasoftware.com
>

Mark,

And to modify the TG handler to rotate the spokes:

on mouseUp
   startTurtle
   put 12 into tNumSpokes
   put 100 into tLengthSpokes
   repeat with tAngle = 0 to 358 step 2
     seth tAngle --Short for setHeading
     repeat 360/tNumSpokes
       fd tLengthSpokes
       bk tLengthSpokes
       left 360/tNumSpokes
     end repeat
     stopTurtle
     cleanPts
     unlock screen
     --This last line is only necessary in Mac OSX.
     --Kevin tells me that this screen refresh problem in OSX will be 
fixed in 2.7.1 
   end repeat
end mouseUp

For fun and games with rolling you may  want to look at:

go url " http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/Rolling.rev"

Run Rev has expressed an interest in implementing TG in Revolution. 
Be nice to have a new control, a turtle control (multiple turtles 
like multiple graphic objects) that responds to the TG vocabulary.

Jim

From lynn at paradigmasoft.com  Sat Mar 18 11:22:53 2006
From: lynn at paradigmasoft.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:22:53 -0800
Subject: Resources Page - Submit Your Updates Now
Message-ID: <1069423485-204450896@lindbergh.macserve.net>

Hi all,

An update is coming on the Resources & Support page REAL SOON NOW. If you
have a contribution of the following type, please email me directly and
offlist with the following information:

Website Name:

Website URL:

Website/Resource Description: (keep it under 100 words)

If information is not in English, identify the language. We can include
foreign language descriptions of any language our staff understands (or that
we can figure out what it says).

Here are the sections -

Externals and IDE Add-on Developers
Free Learning Resources
Revolution User Groups
Revolution News
Coursework and Training

There is a separate consultants page that was updated with the website a few
weeks ago. After a number of pages that havent seen updates in a while are
updated, all user submitted resources will get put on a regular review
schedule so that they stay fresh and up-to-date.

Any links that are on the current Resource & Support page that go nowhere or
havent been updated in years may get tossed out.

Be aware that submissions will be edited to fit the overall presentation of
the site. If your site is hugely devoted to other topics it may not make the
cut.

Final item - I need these over the weekend to be sure they get in this
update. If you miss out, just be patient. A proper form will go up as part
of the update, so order shall prevail and refreshing will happen on a
regular schedule.

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd




From jhurley at infostations.com  Sat Mar 18 11:33:46 2006
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:33:46 -0800
Subject: Draw spokes on a wheel
In-Reply-To: <20060318141758.8D5AD8265A9@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060318141758.8D5AD8265A9@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p06230903c041e5c15148@[10.0.1.2]>

>
>Message: 11
>Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:32:17 -0800
>From: Dick Kriesel <dick.kriesel at mail.com>
>Subject: Re: Draw spokes on a wheel
>To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>Message-ID: <C040B131.1936F%dick.kriesel at mail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"
>
>On 3/17/06 2:24 PM, "Mark Talluto" <userev at canelasoftware.com> wrote:
>
>>  One things is for sure, I owe each of you a drink of your choice 
>>at the RevCon
>>  in Monterey this year.
>
>With positive reinforcement like that, I'll do even better:
>
>on mouseUp
>   drawAstig 50,200,225,2
>end mouseUp
>
>on drawAstig pSpokeRadiusInner,pSpokeRadiusOuter,pLabelRadius,pLineSize
>   go url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/StopTurtles.rev"
>   start using stack "stopTurtles" -- note: thanks, Jim Hurley
>   create stack
>   set the width of it to 600
>   set the height of it to 600
>   go to it
>   lock screen
>   set the textSize of the templateField to 16
>   set the margins of the templateField to 1,7,0,0
>   startTurtle
>   setH 75 -- note: set heading
>   repeat with i = 1 to 24
>     penUp
>     forward pSpokeRadiusInner
>     penDown
>     forward pSpokeRadiusOuter - pSpokeRadiusInner
>     penUp
>     if i mod 2 = 0 then
>       forward pLabelRadius - pSpokeRadiusOuter
>       label i div 2
>       set the width of last field to the formattedWidth of last field
>       set the height of last field to the formattedHeight of last field
>       back pLabelRadius
>     else
>       back pSpokeRadiusOuter
>     end if
>     right 15
>   end repeat
>   stopTurtle
>   set the lineSize of last graphic to pLineSize
>   unlock screen
>end drawAstig
>
>RevConWest is sounding better and better...
>
-- Dick


Dick,

Ah, ha, A TG pro. Thanks.

My apologies to all for not responding in order to the posts on this 
thread.  I get the  digest version of the list--it comes all at once. 
It has become a bit overwhelming recently. So much, so fast. I have 
only the vaguest idea of what's going on.

Jim


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Mar 18 11:47:30 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:47:30 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <20060318143310.9F8777F01A@spatula.dreamhost.com>
References: <20060318143310.9F8777F01A@spatula.dreamhost.com>
Message-ID: <451128903.20060318084730@ahsoftware.net>

Lynn-

Saturday, March 18, 2006, 6:33:05 AM, you wrote:

> Another piece of software that is Japanese is --- the Ruby language.

Ah... you beat me to it. I was going to chime in about Ruby.

> Lynn Fredricks
> Worldwide Business Operations
> Runtime Revolution, Ltd

...love the new sig...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jrarick at hpsk12.net  Sat Mar 18 12:55:04 2006
From: jrarick at hpsk12.net (Jack Rarick)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:55:04 -0500
Subject: More Videograbber issues
Message-ID: <s41c033e.092@hpsk12.net>

I want to first thank Richard Miller for his quick and accurate response
to my issue of using Firewire with videograbber. Richard pointed out
that one of the parameters needed to be changed to DirectX. Again, thank
you.

Now, can anyone point me in the direction of the best Codec to use? 
Compression is NOT an issue. Quality of the video is. I am moving an
application from the Mac to the PC and need to be able to bring in video
in high quality using generic equipment. Any DV Firewire camera and and
PC with a Firewire port.  I'm trying to write a very basic app that
compares just a little to iMovie on the Mac.

Any and all ideas will be very appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Jack Rarick
Braintree Athletic Systems


From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Sat Mar 18 13:12:17 2006
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 10:12:17 -0800
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <CFA72767-5769-4A05-8EB3-F972CD8B802F@inspiredlogic.com>
References: <38D6B541-DA1E-419F-B258-525DA4179819@adelphia.net>
	<30F16774-926D-4118-BC47-26CE326028FD@inspiredlogic.com>
	<786E7FF8-BD8A-4300-A420-82CB1D1AC0C2@maseurope.net>
	<CFA72767-5769-4A05-8EB3-F972CD8B802F@inspiredlogic.com>
Message-ID: <90B8DBFB-29A2-49EF-BF95-D8CD5A5B4206@inspiredlogic.com>


On Mar 17, 2006, at 9:18 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote:

> So change the statement below to:
>
>   if (word 1 of L is among the items of \
>   "on,function,getprop,setprop,--on,--function,--getprop,--setprop"  
> and...etc.) \
>   or (word 1 of L is "--" and \
>   word 2 of L is among the items of "on,function,getprop,setprop"  
> and...etc.)


I rewrote this to handle numerous options. This has been lightly tested.

It should handle all three forms of comments: -- # /*...*/

It should handle all cases where there isn't intervening text, so:

--on myHandler
# function myFunction

/*getProp myProp
end myProp*/

/* setProp myProp
end myProp */

The script editor _hates_ the structure I used. If you format this in  
the script editor, the indentation will be all out of whack. I've  
corrected it here I think (for clarity).

   put 0 into tLineNumber
   put false into tEnteredHandler
   repeat for each line L in tText -- tText is the script
       add 1 to tLineNumber
       get word 1 of L
       if it is among the items of "--,#,/*" then
           put 3 into tHandlerWord
           get word 2 of L
       else
           put 2 into tHandlerWord
       end if
       if char 1 of it is "#" then delete char 1 of it
       if char 1 to 2 of it is among the items of "--,/*" then delete  
char 1 to 2 of it
       if tEnteredHandler and it is "end" then
           get word tHandlerWord of L
           if char -2 to -1 of it is "*/" then delete char -2 to -1  
of it
           if it is tHandlerName then
               put tLineNumber into tEndLineNumber
               exit repeat
           end if
       else if it is among the items of "on,function,getprop,setprop"  
and \
              word tHandlerWord of L is tHandlerName then
           put tLineNumber into tStartLineNumber
           put true into tEnteredHandler
       end if
   end repeat

As before:

-- if tEnteredHandler is false, we didn't find the handler
-- if tEnteredHandler is true, tStartLineNumber is where it starts,
-- tEndLineNumber is where it ends


From LunchnMeets at aol.com  Sat Mar 18 13:21:55 2006
From: LunchnMeets at aol.com (LunchnMeets at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 13:21:55 EST
Subject: Search Script
Message-ID: <2e6.38ef818.314da9c3@aol.com>

Hi Everyone,

Has anyone made the RR version of handler that was "SearchScript" in 
HyperCard? I tried to convert it, but my script opened up all the script windows at 
the same time. That was a royal pain. Maybe you could just tell me how to open a 
script, edit it and then go on to the next script window that has a search 
string.

Joe,
Orlando, FL



From wow at together.net  Sat Mar 18 13:43:34 2006
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 13:43:34 -0500
Subject: More Videograbber issues
In-Reply-To: <s41c033e.092@hpsk12.net>
References: <s41c033e.092@hpsk12.net>
Message-ID: <E85728E1-5895-43CE-B443-9EFFA2FE4E77@together.net>

Jack,

Try any  of the ones here:

     www.morgan-multimedia.com

I've tried many different codec's. This one is highly compatible with  
the player object in Rev, designed for the PC, provides great  
compression (and numerous options to balance compression versus  
quality), and yields high-quality video.

Best,
Richard Miller
Imprinter Technologies


On Mar 18, 2006, at 12:55 PM, Jack Rarick wrote:

> I want to first thank Richard Miller for his quick and accurate  
> response
> to my issue of using Firewire with videograbber. Richard pointed out
> that one of the parameters needed to be changed to DirectX. Again,  
> thank
> you.
>
> Now, can anyone point me in the direction of the best Codec to use?
> Compression is NOT an issue. Quality of the video is. I am moving an
> application from the Mac to the PC and need to be able to bring in  
> video
> in high quality using generic equipment. Any DV Firewire camera and  
> and
> PC with a Firewire port.  I'm trying to write a very basic app that
> compares just a little to iMovie on the Mac.
>
> Any and all ideas will be very appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Jack Rarick
> Braintree Athletic Systems
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sat Mar 18 13:44:34 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 10:44:34 -0800
Subject: Positioning the message box ?
In-Reply-To: <2517911fbf2fb533cdfe38493f54e994@wanadoo.fr>
References: <2517911fbf2fb533cdfe38493f54e994@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <p0623091bc04205578885@[192.168.1.103]>

I don't think we're supposed to have a message box with a 'standalone'

sqb

>
>In all events, under Stack Runner,  both the :
>
>show message box
>
>and the
>
>put "xxx" into message box
>
>are both inoperative ! Not a message box on the horizon !
>

-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sat Mar 18 13:55:37 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 10:55:37 -0800
Subject: Search Script
In-Reply-To: <2e6.38ef818.314da9c3@aol.com>
References: <2e6.38ef818.314da9c3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <p0623091cc04207ff27e4@[192.168.1.103]>

Why don't you just try CMD-F in the IDE?

>Hi Everyone,
>
>Has anyone made the RR version of handler that was "SearchScript" in
>HyperCard? I tried to convert it, but my script opened up all the 
>script windows at
>the same time. That was a royal pain. Maybe you could just tell me 
>how to open a
>script, edit it and then go on to the next script window that has a search
>string.
>
>Joe,
>Orlando, FL

-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Mar 18 13:58:07 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:58:07 -0600
Subject: Positioning the message box ?
In-Reply-To: <2517911fbf2fb533cdfe38493f54e994@wanadoo.fr>
References: <2517911fbf2fb533cdfe38493f54e994@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <441C583F.7020504@hyperactivesw.com>

Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:

> In all events, under Stack Runner,  both the :
> 
> show message box
> 
> and the
> 
> put "xxx" into message box
> 
> are both inoperative ! Not a message box on the horizon !

The message box is an IDE-only component that is not included when you 
build a standalone, so StackRunner does not have it. You can build your 
own message display and put it into your stack as a substack.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From Cubist at aol.com  Sat Mar 18 14:59:25 2006
From: Cubist at aol.com (Cubist at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 14:59:25 EST
Subject: DRM for Images and Text in Stacks
Message-ID: <31e.3015ab.314dc09d@aol.com>

In a message dated 3/18/06 7:20:17 AM, sims <sims at ezpzapps.com> writes:
>At 11:40 PM -1000 3/17/06, Sivakatirswami wrote:
>>see a drop dead simple option to block viewing of substacks in the IDE...
>
>If you place in the stack script of one of these files you are sending
>'out into the world'  (iow - not an in-house production file that you
>might use later for working on)   the following script:
>
>if the environment is "development" then quit
>
>does that not prevent someone from opening it up in the IDE?
   Maybe. Try typing this into the message box and see what happens:

   edit script of stack "MyProtectedProject"


From mlange at lexicall.org  Sat Mar 18 15:00:03 2006
From: mlange at lexicall.org (Marielle Lange)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 20:00:03 +0000
Subject: Integrating Revolution and Flash
Message-ID: <8D497507-C78F-4621-A75C-B3BD406266CD@lexicall.org>

Pradeep, Pierre,

In fact, you can now play flash content via javascript... for free.  
That's an open source project called AFLAX. This stands for "Ajax  
Library for the Adobe Flash Platform". Check out the demos at: http:// 
www.aflax.org/demos.htm

Marielle

> Hi Pradeep,
>
> First, i would say yes, as long as flash can be handled trough  
> javascript calls we can bind to transcript handlers (i do that* all  
> the time, for my own *.js stored/used as global vars from inside my  
> rev-based web applications servers).
> Second, i would recommand to use AJAX (prototype.js framework and  
> accessories) as long as AJAX let us code all what can be managed  
> from within flash without making us depend from the Macromedia  
> proprietary solution.
>
> Just as a small example illustration of the AJAX potential <http:// 
> www2.sahores-conseil.com/puzzle.html>

------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
--------
Marielle Lange (PhD),  Psycholinguist

Alternative emails: mlange at blueyonder.co.uk,

Homepage                                                            
http://homepages.widged.com/mlange/
Easy access to lexical databases                    http:// 
lexicall.widged.com/
Supporting Education Technologists              http:// 
revolution.widged.com/wiki/



From mlange at lexicall.org  Sat Mar 18 15:00:22 2006
From: mlange at lexicall.org (Marielle Lange)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 20:00:22 +0000
Subject: Making the move...
Message-ID: <4AEAD5CA-242D-419A-8184-DCA3276BEFBF@lexicall.org>

Hi Mark,

Any chance to see you post the relevant code on this list?

I read the ECMI document but don't remember the part describing  
conventions for describing the API in a way similar to the one  
outlined in the javadoc. Is it possible for you to cut & paste the  
relevant excerpt on this list... or give pointers to page numbers if  
too long?

Many thanks,
Marielle

------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
--------
Marielle Lange (PhD),  Psycholinguist

Alternative emails: mlange at blueyonder.co.uk,

Homepage                                                            
http://homepages.widged.com/mlange/
Easy access to lexical databases                    http:// 
lexicall.widged.com/
Supporting Education Technologists              http:// 
revolution.widged.com/wiki/



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Sat Mar 18 15:10:32 2006
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 21:10:32 +0100
Subject: DRM for Images and Text in Stacks
In-Reply-To: <31e.3015ab.314dc09d@aol.com>
References: <31e.3015ab.314dc09d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <p06200701c042199decd7@[10.0.0.42]>

>In a message dated 3/18/06 7:20:17 AM, sims <sims at ezpzapps.com> writes:
>>At 11:40 PM -1000 3/17/06, Sivakatirswami wrote:
>>>see a drop dead simple option to block viewing of substacks in the IDE...
>>
>>If you place in the stack script of one of these files you are sending
>>'out into the world'  (iow - not an in-house production file that you
>>might use later for working on)   the following script:
>>
>>if the environment is "development" then quit
>>
>>does that not prevent someone from opening it up in the IDE?
>    Maybe. Try typing this into the message box and see what happens:
>
    edit script of stack "MyProtectedProject"

Not much...

Message execution error:
Error description: Chunk: can't find stack

ciao,
sims

European Rev Conference  2006
www.techietours.com


From sims at ezpzapps.com  Sat Mar 18 15:58:02 2006
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 21:58:02 +0100
Subject: DRM for Images and Text in Stacks
In-Reply-To: <p06200701c042199decd7@[10.0.0.42]>
References: <31e.3015ab.314dc09d@aol.com> <p06200701c042199decd7@[10.0.0.42]>
Message-ID: <p06200702c04224b68687@[10.0.0.42]>

At 9:10 PM +0100 3/18/06, sims wrote:
>>>oes that not prevent someone from opening it up in the IDE?
>>    Maybe. Try typing this into the message box and see what happens:
>>
>    edit script of stack "MyProtectedProject"

Ummm...oh, I see what you mean.

Back to the drawing board.

ciao,
sims


From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Sat Mar 18 16:24:50 2006
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 13:24:50 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>
	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>


On Mar 17, 2006, at 1:20 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> ...sure there is. You have to roll your own, but it's not that much
> transcript code. My libraries generate their own documentation through
> a javadoc-like mechanism. Check out, for example, my ArchiveSearch
> plugin on revonline and open the libDispatcher library. Click on the
> API button.

I strive to make my functions/handlers small enough that a single  
line of documentation is sufficient. Actually size isn't so much of a  
factor as the single-purpose aspect. If a function or handler has a  
single purpose, generally it can be described in a single sentence.  
Then I include that line as a comment after the definition:

on setupHOOTClasses -- creates an array (sMessageArray) of the  
messages each class can receive
on startHOOT -- initializes HOOT and sets it as a front script

Then there are the handlers that are self-explanatory:

on stopHOOT
on hideNavigator

I've never seen a hundred-line routine that wouldn't be better as  
five twenty-line routines, each of which could be documented with a  
line of code. Perhaps even ten ten-line routines.

regards,

gc


From liamlambert at mac.com  Sat Mar 18 17:09:40 2006
From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 22:09:40 +0000
Subject: switch
Message-ID: <D3F0F453-2D21-4BC3-B6B7-922E3A8AE096@mac.com>


what am I doing wrong here

put fld "total" into ttotal
   put fld "paymenttype" into tpayment

   switch "tpayment"
   case "credit"
   if tpayment contains "credit" then put ttotal into fld "CreditDb"
exit switch

case "cash"
if tpayment contains "cash" then put ttotal into fld "cash2"
exit switch

end switch

Liam Lambert
liamlambert at mac.com
IRELAND




From klaus at major-k.de  Sat Mar 18 17:26:04 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 23:26:04 +0100
Subject: switch
In-Reply-To: <D3F0F453-2D21-4BC3-B6B7-922E3A8AE096@mac.com>
References: <D3F0F453-2D21-4BC3-B6B7-922E3A8AE096@mac.com>
Message-ID: <9D59BDA4-3ED7-4A3F-BD8E-15E4C4BFE26F@major-k.de>

Hi Liam,

> what am I doing wrong here
>
> put fld "total" into ttotal
>   put fld "paymenttype" into tpayment
> ##!!  switch "tpayment"
## No quotes, since this is a variable!
>   case "credit"
>  ## if tpayment contains "credit" then put ttotal into fld "CreditDb"
## If tpayment = "credit" then it also contains "credit"! :-)
> ##exit switch
BREAK
> case "cash"
> ##if tpayment contains "cash" then put ttotal into fld "cash2"
## See above
> ##exit switch
break
> end switch

this should work:
...
   put fld "total" into ttotal
   put fld "paymenttype" into tpayment
   switch tpayment
   case "credit"
     put ttotal into fld "CreditDb"
     break
   case "cash"
     put ttotal into fld "cash2"
     break
   end switch
...

Hope that helps.

> Liam Lambert
> liamlambert at mac.com
> IRELAND

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From liamlambert at mac.com  Sat Mar 18 17:30:20 2006
From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 22:30:20 +0000
Subject: switch
Message-ID: <988CEC10-FAF4-40D5-A6F5-C991FDBC91C9@mac.com>

Thanks
Liam Lambert
liamlambert at mac.com
IRELAND




From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sat Mar 18 21:54:53 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 20:54:53 -0600
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <4AEAD5CA-242D-419A-8184-DCA3276BEFBF@lexicall.org>
Message-ID: <C042241D.37F01%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/18/06 2:00 PM, "Marielle Lange" <mlange at lexicall.org> wrote:

> Hi Mark,
> 
> Any chance to see you post the relevant code on this list?
> 
> I read the ECMI document but don't remember the part describing
> conventions for describing the API in a way similar to the one
> outlined in the javadoc.

It's not similar to javadoc, but the method for describing the API to the
handlers in a library at documented in the uRIP["interface"] property of the
ECMI specifications.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From john at debraneys.com  Sat Mar 18 22:39:22 2006
From: john at debraneys.com (John Tregea)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 11:39:22 +0800
Subject: switch
In-Reply-To: <9D59BDA4-3ED7-4A3F-BD8E-15E4C4BFE26F@major-k.de>
References: <D3F0F453-2D21-4BC3-B6B7-922E3A8AE096@mac.com>
	<9D59BDA4-3ED7-4A3F-BD8E-15E4C4BFE26F@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <441CD26A.2040607@debraneys.com>

Hi,

Just a question regarding the form many of you use for naming variables. 
I see a lot of variable names starting with 't' and wondered what it 
indicates. I use 'g' as a prefix for my global variables but that is all.

John (Ready to say "Duh"...) T

Klaus Major wrote:
> Hi Liam,
>
>> what am I doing wrong here
>>
>> put fld "total" into ttotal
>>   put fld "paymenttype" into tpayment
>> ##!!  switch "tpayment"
> ## No quotes, since this is a variable!
>>   case "credit"
>>  ## if tpayment contains "credit" then put ttotal into fld "CreditDb"
> ## If tpayment = "credit" then it also contains "credit"! :-)
>> ##exit switch
> BREAK
>> case "cash"
>> ##if tpayment contains "cash" then put ttotal into fld "cash2"
> ## See above
>> ##exit switch
> break
>> end switch
>
> this should work:
> ...
>   put fld "total" into ttotal
>   put fld "paymenttype" into tpayment
>   switch tpayment
>   case "credit"
>     put ttotal into fld "CreditDb"
>     break
>   case "cash"
>     put ttotal into fld "cash2"
>     break
>   end switch
> ...
>
> Hope that helps.
>
>> Liam Lambert
>> liamlambert at mac.com
>> IRELAND
>
> Regards
>
> Klaus Major
> klaus at major-k.de
> http://www.major-k.de
>
> _______________________________________________
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From chipp at chipp.com  Sat Mar 18 23:05:12 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 22:05:12 -0600
Subject: switch
In-Reply-To: <441CD26A.2040607@debraneys.com>
References: <D3F0F453-2D21-4BC3-B6B7-922E3A8AE096@mac.com>	<9D59BDA4-3ED7-4A3F-BD8E-15E4C4BFE26F@major-k.de>
	<441CD26A.2040607@debraneys.com>
Message-ID: <441CD878.6090701@chipp.com>

I use the t prefix to denote 'temporary' and make my code easier for me 
to read. I use 'p' for a parameter, 'l' for a local variable, and as you 
do, 'g' for global.

-Chipp

John Tregea wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Just a question regarding the form many of you use for naming variables. 
> I see a lot of variable names starting with 't' and wondered what it 
> indicates. I use 'g' as a prefix for my global variables but that is all.



From jspencer78 at mac.com  Sat Mar 18 23:10:23 2006
From: jspencer78 at mac.com (James Spencer)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 22:10:23 -0600
Subject: switch
In-Reply-To: <441CD26A.2040607@debraneys.com>
References: <D3F0F453-2D21-4BC3-B6B7-922E3A8AE096@mac.com>
	<9D59BDA4-3ED7-4A3F-BD8E-15E4C4BFE26F@major-k.de>
	<441CD26A.2040607@debraneys.com>
Message-ID: <6848FDDA-BDF9-46B3-9562-1BB38262A489@mac.com>


On Mar 18, 2006, at 9:39 PM, John Tregea wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Just a question regarding the form many of you use for naming  
> variables. I see a lot of variable names starting with 't' and  
> wondered what it indicates. I use 'g' as a prefix for my global  
> variables but that is all.
>
> John (Ready to say "Duh"...) T

See http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/scriptstyle.html for  
a good set of guidelines which answer, among other things, your  
question but the short answer:

t = temporary or local variable
p = parameter
k = constant
s = static (or script local in xTalk)

James P. Spencer
Rochester, MN

jspencer78 at mac.com

"Badges??  We don't need no stinkin badges!"



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 18 23:24:56 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 20:24:56 -0800
Subject: switch
In-Reply-To: <441CD26A.2040607@debraneys.com>
Message-ID: <C0421D18.364C9%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Many on the list use the aforementioned naming convention.
This is especially important in groups, like Fourth World.

Ahh, but I am stuck in the past and my ways... thus.....
I prefer not to use this style, so my offerings will have a different look.
I do use the gGlobalName convention.
Also, every list of lines I use is whateverList
array is whateverArr

When I create a path name to refer to files or servers I use "pathh" because
in VB 'path' is a reserved word, in which I also do programming
then pathhFN is the (path name + file name)
and fpathhFN is the ("file:" +path name + file name)
so that I can do the following:

put the defaultfolder into pathh
if the last char of pathh is not "/" then put "/" after pathh

put the files into fileList
put line 1 of the fileList into FN
if ".txt" is in FN then put pathh & FN into pathhFN

put "file:"&pathhFN into fpathhFN

put "Mary had a lamb" into url fpathhFN

answer folder "Choose the folder please"
put it into pathh
if the last char of pathh is not "/" then put "/" after pathh
put "file:"&pathh into fpathh
put the detailed files into fileList
put empty into appendedContents
repeat for each line LNN in fileList
   if LNN contains ".txt" then
       --write the directory and file name to a variable
      put cr & cr & pathh & ",  " & LNN) & " ------" after appendedContents
       --now write the contents of the file on the next lines
      put cr & url (fpathh&LNN) after appendedContents
   end if
end repeat
--now write a new file that is appendedContents
put appendedContents into url (fpathh&"appndMalarky.txt")

Lots of fun, and lots of choices.  And it's Saturday night :-)

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 3/18/06 7:39 PM, "John Tregea" <john at debraneys.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Just a question regarding the form many of you use for naming variables.
> I see a lot of variable names starting with 't' and wondered what it
> indicates. I use 'g' as a prefix for my global variables but that is all.
> 
> John (Ready to say "Duh"...) T
> 
> Klaus Major wrote:
>> Hi Liam,
>> 
>>> what am I doing wrong here
>>> 
>>> put fld "total" into ttotal
>>>   put fld "paymenttype" into tpayment
>>> ##!!  switch "tpayment"
>> ## No quotes, since this is a variable!
>>>   case "credit"
>>>  ## if tpayment contains "credit" then put ttotal into fld "CreditDb"
>> ## If tpayment = "credit" then it also contains "credit"! :-)
>>> ##exit switch
>> BREAK
>>> case "cash"
>>> ##if tpayment contains "cash" then put ttotal into fld "cash2"
>> ## See above
>>> ##exit switch
>> break
>>> end switch
>> 
>> this should work:
>> ...
>>   put fld "total" into ttotal
>>   put fld "paymenttype" into tpayment
>>   switch tpayment
>>   case "credit"
>>     put ttotal into fld "CreditDb"
>>     break
>>   case "cash"
>>     put ttotal into fld "cash2"
>>     break
>>   end switch
>> ...
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>>> Liam Lambert
>>> liamlambert at mac.com
>>> IRELAND
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Klaus Major
>> klaus at major-k.de
>> http://www.major-k.de
>> 
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sat Mar 18 23:27:24 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 22:27:24 -0600
Subject: [REQ] Testers needed
In-Reply-To: <BAY105-F2056020B7E7EA90E2CC314C3E50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C04239CC.37F0C%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/18/06 1:35 AM, "Sean Shao" <shaosean at hotmail.com> wrote:

> In the next few days I will be finishing up development and internal testing
> of a custom listbox object and will be needing testers.

Sounds great, Sean! Count me in...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From Stgoldberg at aol.com  Sat Mar 18 23:42:19 2006
From: Stgoldberg at aol.com (Stgoldberg at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 23:42:19 EST
Subject: Problem building standalones with substacks in Rev 2.7
Message-ID: <349.13fc13.314e3b2b@aol.com>

Recently, using Revolution 2.7 (I'm not sure if the problem is related to the
version or something else) on my Mac running OS X, I have noted the following
problem in trying to build a standalone:

I first built a main stack, then decided that since I wanted to save data in
the standalone, created a substack to it, and in the Standalone Application
setting, checked off "Move substacks into individual stack files". The
standalone built fine.?? However, when I went back and checked off the 
"Create folder
for stackfiles" option (naming the folder "data") the standalone would not
build, instead delivering an error message.?? The strange thing is that I 
went
back and unchecked the "Create folder for stackfiles" option and the program
would still not build a standalone.?? I've repeated this several times to be 
sure
that this is where the problem arose.?? Can anyone suggest what may be the
problem??? I've made sure to name the stack, substack, and folder 
differently.

Perhaps it may relate to the fact that I originally created two mainstacks,
and then set one stack as the main stack through the command "set the 
mainstack
of stack 'B' to 'A'?? but I have not experienced this difficulty before?? in
rev 2.6 using the same command.?? Again, the problem may not relate to the
version, but to something I'm doing wrong.

In addition, I've note that under rev 2.7, when one builds a standalone,
there is a separate folder created in the Windows folder titled 
"Externals".??
What is that for??? Thanks.
Steve Goldberg


From john at debraneys.com  Sat Mar 18 23:47:31 2006
From: john at debraneys.com (John Tregea)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 12:47:31 +0800
Subject: switch
In-Reply-To: <C0421D18.364C9%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C0421D18.364C9%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <441CE263.8030402@debraneys.com>

Dear Jim, Chipp and James,

I thought it must be something like that but tend to call 'temporary' 
variables 'local' variables, so I didn't guess the connection.

Thanks for the clarification.

Regards

John (Duh...) T

Jim Ault wrote:
> Many on the list use the aforementioned naming convention.
> This is especially important in groups, like Fourth World.
>
> Ahh, but I am stuck in the past and my ways... thus.....
> I prefer not to use this style, so my offerings will have a different look.
> I do use the gGlobalName convention.
> Also, every list of lines I use is whateverList
> array is whateverArr
>
> When I create a path name to refer to files or servers I use "pathh" because
> in VB 'path' is a reserved word, in which I also do programming
> then pathhFN is the (path name + file name)
> and fpathhFN is the ("file:" +path name + file name)
> so that I can do the following:
>
> put the defaultfolder into pathh
> if the last char of pathh is not "/" then put "/" after pathh
>
> put the files into fileList
> put line 1 of the fileList into FN
> if ".txt" is in FN then put pathh & FN into pathhFN
>
> put "file:"&pathhFN into fpathhFN
>
> put "Mary had a lamb" into url fpathhFN
>
> answer folder "Choose the folder please"
> put it into pathh
> if the last char of pathh is not "/" then put "/" after pathh
> put "file:"&pathh into fpathh
> put the detailed files into fileList
> put empty into appendedContents
> repeat for each line LNN in fileList
>    if LNN contains ".txt" then
>        --write the directory and file name to a variable
>       put cr & cr & pathh & ",  " & LNN) & " ------" after appendedContents
>        --now write the contents of the file on the next lines
>       put cr & url (fpathh&LNN) after appendedContents
>    end if
> end repeat
> --now write a new file that is appendedContents
> put appendedContents into url (fpathh&"appndMalarky.txt")
>
> Lots of fun, and lots of choices.  And it's Saturday night :-)
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
>
> On 3/18/06 7:39 PM, "John Tregea" <john at debraneys.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> Just a question regarding the form many of you use for naming variables.
>> I see a lot of variable names starting with 't' and wondered what it
>> indicates. I use 'g' as a prefix for my global variables but that is all.
>>
>> John (Ready to say "Duh"...) T
>>
>> Klaus Major wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi Liam,
>>>
>>>       
>>>> what am I doing wrong here
>>>>
>>>> put fld "total" into ttotal
>>>>   put fld "paymenttype" into tpayment
>>>> ##!!  switch "tpayment"
>>>>         
>>> ## No quotes, since this is a variable!
>>>       
>>>>   case "credit"
>>>>  ## if tpayment contains "credit" then put ttotal into fld "CreditDb"
>>>>         
>>> ## If tpayment = "credit" then it also contains "credit"! :-)
>>>       
>>>> ##exit switch
>>>>         
>>> BREAK
>>>       
>>>> case "cash"
>>>> ##if tpayment contains "cash" then put ttotal into fld "cash2"
>>>>         
>>> ## See above
>>>       
>>>> ##exit switch
>>>>         
>>> break
>>>       
>>>> end switch
>>>>         
>>> this should work:
>>> ...
>>>   put fld "total" into ttotal
>>>   put fld "paymenttype" into tpayment
>>>   switch tpayment
>>>   case "credit"
>>>     put ttotal into fld "CreditDb"
>>>     break
>>>   case "cash"
>>>     put ttotal into fld "cash2"
>>>     break
>>>   end switch
>>> ...
>>>
>>> Hope that helps.
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Liam Lambert
>>>> liamlambert at mac.com
>>>> IRELAND
>>>>         
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Klaus Major
>>> klaus at major-k.de
>>> http://www.major-k.de
>>>
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>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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>>> subscription preferences:
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>>>
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From Kresten.Bjerg at psy.ku.dk  Sun Mar 19 00:08:42 2006
From: Kresten.Bjerg at psy.ku.dk (Kresten Bjerg)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 06:08:42 +0100
Subject: Mind mapping in Rev ?
Message-ID: <s41cf58a.039@PSYLIN2.LIN.KU.DK>

On 3/17/06 6:20 PM, "Kresten Bjerg" <Kresten.Bjerg at psy.ku.dk> wrote:

>> Has anyone been experimenting with implementing elementary mind-mapping
>>functions in Rev ?

Rick replied: 

>Yes, I have, although I'd have to emphasize elementary.

>A user creates graphic objects like ovals to represent concepts, and
>connects them using the mouse to draw arrows.  When the user moves the mouse
>over a concept graphic, the graphic changes color, and a field appears
<showing custom text, like a tool tip, but with arbitrarily long text.  When
<the user moves the mouse over an arrow graphic, the arrow and the concepts
>it connects change color and show their custom text.  When the user clicks
>custom text, it's unlocked and selected, so the user can edit it.  When the
>user moves a graphic that has arrows to it or from it, the arrows move too.

>What do you want?

>By the way, according to conceptDraw.com, which offers a product called
>MINDMAP 4, Mind Mapping? and Mind Map? are registered trademarks of the
>Buzan Organization.

->- Dick

_______________________________

Hi Dick


(An awfully long response to short question:)

Your description sounds as close as it could be to what we am looking for.

A thought mapping device, idea-mapping, association-mapping, concept-mapping tool, -  trademarks politely avoided.
I dont know, to which extent such a facility has been fabricated as integrated with a system which affords a fourth, a temporal dimension, a temporal perspective 
This is at least my goal- to create an auto-phenomenalogical *IT logbook - program, which can make the iBook worthy of its name, but which can fit as well inside the MIT 100 dollars laptop

The autophenomenalogical method, as I have been developping it through the last ten years ,is for me the merging of my two main professional fields : Theories of personality  and qualitative research methods in psychology. (which I both have been teaching in the Department of Psychology, at the University of copenhagen) and my speciality: Domestic Information Dynamics,as explored empirically in an experimental appartment  through decades, and intensfied after my early retirement (as I could get no moral or financial support for the future of my domestic laboratory) 
The tool, the construction of which took its start in 1996, with the relatively new  Hypercard,  was based on the idea of taking the millenial traditions of handwritten and drawn diaries into the third millennium, where pens are becoming scarser and IT tools more forcefull.


With the advent of revolution, to which we transferred our result from the hypercard version, we have been unfolding the vision of a toolset for e-diary, an autocommunicative device, build upon the cognitive psychology-knowledge of the divion of labour between the two cerebral hemispheres.
So parallel to the text-universe we create a glyf-universe, - and instead of using Icons, - as does for example "Inspiration", we create glyfs as ascii characters in fonts. preliminary 12 fonts, with in all only app 450 prototypes.
We have created a minimal handfull of glyphs, and many of them are lousy. But in launching the machine as cross-cultural and cross-platform freeware, we expect to start a feed-back process, so we can have the freewareb proto-glyf-library grow and mature to the needs of young and old, rich and poor, unlearned and learned, moslem,jew,cristian, buddhist, Tao or what did I forget?....male or female
So, well,newness,complexity, informational overload and social challenges makes the individual a sailor, navigating each day ,over the diurnal strait from wake-up to falling asleep. We think the citizens, as basically lonely captains through ever new informational waters, winds, storms, downpours,Ice and Bureaucratic icebergs, chemical submarines,etc  needs a personal empirical logbook of the phenomena encountered, hopefully helping to insight, hindsight and foresight, and hopefully becoming a means of democratic documentary power-to-the people - up against buraucracies, authorities, exploiters and pushers, they encounter. 
So, when you ask me, what I need  it has two kinds of answers.

Answer 1 (ending with a question)
The Phenomenalog v. 16.2.3, as of March 11 2006  contains a set of 20 memo-buttons, linked to text&glyph-fields.
We need to arrange a way for standaloneusers to easy  distribute and  link such buttons and their aliases on a daycard the size of 9 windows, buttons themselves as background buttons, their aliases as tied to the stable or changing views from the bridge that day, and the diachronical diurnal positioning of phenomena in a non-textual, temporal glyf-dimension with a 10-minute precision.

So I am interested in knowing, whether you feel it wortwhile to let us share your knowledge, as we offer to share ours with you.
As a pensioned researcher at the age of 70 it is easy for me to insist on the freeware clause. But you may be in need of cash flow. The only offer I can give is to give you due credit in the credits of the Phenomenalog.
(You know you can inspect the preliminary format of the credits in the early version of the software, which you can inspect and download from the user-site under name Kresten (Beware of bugs!!!!)

Anwer 2
I / we   Steen Andersen (skya at webspeed.dk) and I (Kresten.bjerg at psy.ku.dk) will be gratefull, if someonen could help us to let us share a freeware set of handlers, to make standalone user able to select an e-mail or www adress in a textfield,on a card in stack "addresses", on the daycard or in a memo-field - and thus release a New-mail formula or a jump to this adress. We know of AltBrowser, but we need a freeware solution, as simple as possible.

Best regards
Kresten







From john at debraneys.com  Sun Mar 19 00:50:22 2006
From: john at debraneys.com (John Tregea)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 13:50:22 +0800
Subject: Arrays as custom properties?
Message-ID: <441CF11E.4040505@debraneys.com>

Hi Weekend Warriors,

I have been looking to see if I can set an array as a custom property of 
a group. Well actually four arrays as four different custom 
properties... I have tried the following alternatives.

set myAccess of group "A" to gMyAccess (works for a table of delimited 
data but not an array)

set customproperties[myAccess] of group "A" to gMyAccess

set custompropertyset "myArray" to gMyAccess


None of these appear to work. I get an error message on execution that 
says "bad index expression"

I would REALLY appreciate any help/alternatives/etc.

Thanks in advance

John


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sun Mar 19 01:01:33 2006
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 22:01:33 -0800
Subject: Arrays as custom properties?
In-Reply-To: <441CF11E.4040505@debraneys.com>
Message-ID: <C04233BD.361A9%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, John Tregea wrote:

> I have been looking to see if I can set an array as a custom property of
> a group.
> ... I get an error message on execution that says "bad index expression"

Yes, you need to define an index for the array.  Perhaps you mean something
like this:

  set the myAccess["password"] of group "A" to gMyAccess

To retrieve:

  get the myAccess["password"] of group "A"

Also, I believe a custom property must always be prefaced by "the".

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From john at debraneys.com  Sun Mar 19 01:26:02 2006
From: john at debraneys.com (John Tregea)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:26:02 +0800
Subject: Arrays as custom properties?
In-Reply-To: <C04233BD.361A9%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C04233BD.361A9%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <441CF97A.7040502@debraneys.com>

Thanks Scott,

I already have a number of arrays stored in global variables and want to 
store each complete array as a custom property of the group. I realise I 
could repeat through the structure of the array and transfer each array 
element to a corresponding element in the group's custom property, but 
hoped to be able to "plonk" the array into the custom property.

I will check my use of the word "the"...

-----------------------------------

Scott Rossi wrote:
> Recently, John Tregea wrote:
>
>   
>> I have been looking to see if I can set an array as a custom property of
>> a group.
>> ... I get an error message on execution that says "bad index expression"
>>     
>
> Yes, you need to define an index for the array.  Perhaps you mean something
> like this:
>
>   set the myAccess["password"] of group "A" to gMyAccess
>
> To retrieve:
>
>   get the myAccess["password"] of group "A"
>
> Also, I believe a custom property must always be prefaced by "the".
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
> -----
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> W: http://www.tactilemedia.com
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Mar 19 01:38:39 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 22:38:39 -0800
Subject: Arrays as custom properties?
Message-ID: <441CFC6F.9010904@fourthworld.com>

 > I already have a number of arrays stored in global variables and
 > want to store each complete array as a custom property of the
 > group. I realise I could repeat through the structure of the
 > array and transfer each array element to a corresponding element
 > in the group's custom property, but hoped to be able to "plonk"
 > the array into the custom property.

Array elements are distinct entities, equating to individual custom 
properties.  You can, however, set all of the members of a custom 
property set to an array, and you can have any number of custom property 
sets in each object.

See the Transcript dictionary entry for the customProperties property 
for more....

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From john at debraneys.com  Sun Mar 19 02:05:42 2006
From: john at debraneys.com (John Tregea)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 15:05:42 +0800
Subject: Arrays as custom properties?
In-Reply-To: <441CFC6F.9010904@fourthworld.com>
References: <441CFC6F.9010904@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <441D02C6.3040003@debraneys.com>

Thanks Richard, I will explore this some more...

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> > I already have a number of arrays stored in global variables and
> > want to store each complete array as a custom property of the
> > group. I realise I could repeat through the structure of the
> > array and transfer each array element to a corresponding element
> > in the group's custom property, but hoped to be able to "plonk"
> > the array into the custom property.
>
> Array elements are distinct entities, equating to individual custom 
> properties.  You can, however, set all of the members of a custom 
> property set to an array, and you can have any number of custom 
> property sets in each object.
>
> See the Transcript dictionary entry for the customProperties property 
> for more....
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal
>  _______________________________________________________
>  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun Mar 19 04:41:58 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 03:41:58 -0600
Subject: [ANN] STS XML Library 2.0 Now Available
Message-ID: <C0428386.37F27%kray@sonsothunder.com>

Hey, everyone!

The long-awaited, and long-promised STS XML Library 2.0 has finally been
released, adding node path support, search and array methods, conditional
validation and plugin support to the all-Transcript XML parsing library. It
is also fully Revolution Interoperability (RIP) compliant, and ships with a
special Compatibility Library that enables current 1.x users the ability to
easily transition to the new 2.0 syntax.

The new plugin architecture enables third parties to provide libraries that
can utilize the XML Library for specialized XML parsing, and Version 2.0
comes with a plugin for manipulating RSS feed documents.

The web site, in addition to providing more information about the library,
also includes a full comparison of how the STS XML Library compares with the
revXML.DLL that comes with Revolution. It also includes the full
documentation of the library, so you can look it over to decide for yourself
if the STS XML Library if for you.

Read more about the XML Library at:
 
     http://www.sonsothunder.com/products/xmllib/xmllib.htm

Enjoy!

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From henk at iglow-media.nl  Sun Mar 19 04:45:41 2006
From: henk at iglow-media.nl (Henk van der Velden)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 10:45:41 +0100
Subject: Integrating Revolution and Flash
In-Reply-To: <20060318141758.3DA3D8265A4@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060318141758.3DA3D8265A4@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BB70B135-57EF-48DF-B2B7-42237F3346C4@iglow-media.nl>

Hi Pradeep,

you can also take a look at Trevor deVore's Enhanced QuickTime External:
http://www.bluemangolearning.com/developer/revolution/

Kind regards,
Henk


On 18-mrt-2006, at 15:17, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> Hi Pradeep,
>
> First, i would say yes, as long as flash can be handled trough  
> javascript calls we can bind to transcript handlers (i do that* all  
> the time, for my own *.js stored/used as global vars from inside my  
> rev-based web applications servers).
> Second, i would recommand to use AJAX (prototype.js framework and  
> accessories) as long as AJAX let us code all what can be managed  
> from within flash without making us depend from the Macromedia  
> proprietary solution.
>
> Just as a small example illustration of the AJAX potential <http:// 
> www2.sahores-conseil.com/puzzle.html>
>
> All the Best to You and Albert,
>
> Le 17 mars 06 ? 10:14, MITTAL Pradeep Kumar a ?crit :
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Is there any way to integrate revolution and flash ?
>>
>> Some way of placing  Flash UI on top of Rev Card.
>> On top of revolution Object (lets say button ) one can put the flash
>> button. And when one clicks then revoluion button script is called.
>> Rev can create the XML file and then XML Data can be sent to flash  
>> swf
>> and vice versa.
>>
>> What do you think ? Is there anyone who has tried integrating rev an
>> flash?
>>
>> Best Regards
>> Pradeep



From e.reicher at gmx.at  Sun Mar 19 04:51:18 2006
From: e.reicher at gmx.at (Ernst M. Reicher)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 10:51:18 +0100
Subject: Search Script
References: <20060318180004.13BAF8266CA@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <001501c64b3a$adb82270$0101a8c0@EMRBUERO>

Hi,
I tried to start discussion about this several times in the past...
but the response was poor....  probably REAL delvelopers store their scripts 
in their hypothalamus and don?t need a SearchScript....:-)
..over the years I found some trials in other "plugins" that worked so and 
so....
I adapted the HC-script for me and it worked well in MC but no more in Rev.
Now I?m using constellation and there is a pretty good built in 
scriptsearch.
In my opinion it?s (for me!) not too comfortable - mine showed a list of 
occurrences - but it works....

Regards,
            Ernst

> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 13:21:55 EST
> From: LunchnMeets at aol.com
> Subject: Search Script
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Message-ID: <2e6.38ef818.314da9c3 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> Has anyone made the RR version of handler that was "SearchScript" in
> HyperCard? I tried to convert it, but my script opened up all the script 
> windows at
> the same time. That was a royal pain. Maybe you could just tell me how to 
> open a
> script, edit it and then go on to the next script window that has a search
> string.
>
> Joe,
> Orlando, FL 




From henk at iglow-media.nl  Sun Mar 19 06:11:15 2006
From: henk at iglow-media.nl (Henk van der Velden)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 12:11:15 +0100
Subject: imagedata in Word XML
In-Reply-To: <20060318180003.952FF8266C1@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060318180003.952FF8266C1@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C6BB8D2A-3A01-487A-9C94-DB58049CE8C0@iglow-media.nl>

Rob,

Indeed does the text of an image contain binary data, but it looks  
like it's in the PNG format.
I will do some testing.
If the text of an image is PNG binary data, and the Word file  
contains only PNG images, I would be able to set the text of an image  
to the decoded text from the WordXML node.

Thanks.
Henk

On 18-mrt-2006, at 19:00, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

>
>> Well, even though you decode the information from the WordML file,  
>> now you have a binary representation of a PNG or JPEG, etc., and  
>> that is not in a format proper for imageData, which is an array of  
>> 4-byte integers, each integer representing one pixel.  You will  
>> have to base-64 decode the information in the WordML file and then  
>> read it in as if you were reading an image file off a disk, etc.   
>> This will decompress the information that is encoded in the file  
>> and then you can use the result as imageData.
>>
>
> Are you sure the result should be used as the imageData of an image  
> rather than its text?
>
> I don't know exactly what is stored in WordML; but my understanding  
> is that the text of an image is the actual binary content of the  
> image file, while the imageData is a Rev-proprietary representation  
> of the image as currently displayed.



From klaus at major-k.de  Sun Mar 19 06:15:56 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 12:15:56 +0100
Subject: imagedata in Word XML
In-Reply-To: <C6BB8D2A-3A01-487A-9C94-DB58049CE8C0@iglow-media.nl>
References: <20060318180003.952FF8266C1@mail.runrev.com>
	<C6BB8D2A-3A01-487A-9C94-DB58049CE8C0@iglow-media.nl>
Message-ID: <DCB76A21-5BD9-4FB0-9872-1C3824194BD5@major-k.de>

Dag Henk,

> Rob,
>
> Indeed does the text of an image contain binary data, but it looks  
> like it's in the PNG format.
> I will do some testing.
> If the text of an image is PNG binary data, and the Word file  
> contains only PNG images, I would be able to set the text of an  
> image to the decoded text from the WordXML node.

one could also try to simply "put" the data into an image!

-> put url("binfile:image.png") into img 1
does work, so this is a least worth a try :-)

> Thanks.
> Henk
>
> On 18-mrt-2006, at 19:00, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
> wrote:
>
>>
>>> Well, even though you decode the information from the WordML  
>>> file, now you have a binary representation of a PNG or JPEG,  
>>> etc., and that is not in a format proper for imageData, which is  
>>> an array of 4-byte integers, each integer representing one  
>>> pixel.  You will have to base-64 decode the information in the  
>>> WordML file and then read it in as if you were reading an image  
>>> file off a disk, etc.  This will decompress the information that  
>>> is encoded in the file and then you can use the result as imageData.
>>>
>>
>> Are you sure the result should be used as the imageData of an  
>> image rather than its text?
>>
>> I don't know exactly what is stored in WordML; but my  
>> understanding is that the text of an image is the actual binary  
>> content of the image file, while the imageData is a Rev- 
>> proprietary representation of the image as currently displayed.

Regards & Groetjes

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From mark at maseurope.net  Sun Mar 19 07:13:39 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 12:13:39 +0000
Subject: Arrays as custom properties?
In-Reply-To: <441CF97A.7040502@debraneys.com>
References: <C04233BD.361A9%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<441CF97A.7040502@debraneys.com>
Message-ID: <E265DA87-87AA-4C4F-B67A-54AA514BA40B@maseurope.net>

You can simply store an array variable as a customPropertySet:
set the customProperties["addresses"] of this stack to addressArray

You can then set individual elements of the stored array:
set the addresses[key] of this stack to someItem

And retrieve the indidvidual elements:
get the addresses[key] of this stack

or put the whole thing back into an array variable:
put the customProperties["addresses"] of this stack into addressArray

The thing is that a customPropertySet effecively <is> an array,  and  
depending on your needs, (accessing a customPropertySet is only  
slightly slower than accessing an array) may be a better choice than  
a global/local array variable.

Mark



On 19 Mar 2006, at 06:26, John Tregea wrote:

> Thanks Scott,
>
> I already have a number of arrays stored in global variables and  
> want to store each complete array as a custom property of the  
> group. I realise I could repeat through the structure of the array  
> and transfer each array element to a corresponding element in the  
> group's custom property, but hoped to be able to "plonk" the array  
> into the custom property.
>
> I will check my use of the word "the"...
>
> -----------------------------------
>
> Scott Rossi wrote:
>> Recently, John Tregea wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I have been looking to see if I can set an array as a custom  
>>> property of
>>> a group.
>>> ... I get an error message on execution that says "bad index  
>>> expression"
>>>
>>
>> Yes, you need to define an index for the array.  Perhaps you mean  
>> something
>> like this:
>>
>>   set the myAccess["password"] of group "A" to gMyAccess
>>
>> To retrieve:
>>
>>   get the myAccess["password"] of group "A"
>>
>> Also, I believe a custom property must always be prefaced by "the".
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Scott Rossi
>> Creative Director
>> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
>> -----
>> E: scott at tactilemedia.com
>> W: http://www.tactilemedia.com
>>
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From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Sun Mar 19 08:18:27 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 13:18:27 +0000
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <134E87F1-7BB2-4AD7-AE32-7E8BBC753053@maseurope.net>
References: <C03F8B1C.36383%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<a06110403c0404ff027be@[192.168.1.104]>
	<1BF42D94-68EC-46A1-8F34-334C5AACCBC6@dsl.pipex.com>
	<134E87F1-7BB2-4AD7-AE32-7E8BBC753053@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <87A2ECE9-9F33-43D9-B80A-447139FC71C7@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

The problem is that if you are doing something like this:

if the script of myObject contains "on HandlerName" then
   send HandlerName to myObject
end if

This this will work if the Hander is NOT commented out, but will fail  
with an error if the handler IS commented out. Also if you have a  
comment in a Script that just happens to contain "on HandlerName"  
then the "if" will succeed even though there is no handler defined.

I had a problem that took me ages to figure out. In a script I had  
something like the following:

--on Update make sure the field is not selected

which meant that:

if the script of myObject contains "on Update" then

succeeded, but the send statement failed since there wasn't really a  
handler called "update" defined. Checking for "end Update" *may* have  
worked, as long as there was not a line that read something like:

send Update to myObject

Also checking for "end Update" slows the whole process down.

What would be nice is the ability to check if a (real) handler exists  
not just that the script contains text that looks like a handler  
defintion. Something like this would be good:

if exists(handler "Update" in script of myObject) then

Which would make it 100% foolproof.

All the Best
Dave

On 17 Mar 2006, at 12:19, Mark Smith wrote:

> Commenting would only affect things if the wholeMatches is set to  
> true - normally, lineOffset will get the right line even if it's  
> commented out, no?
>
> Mark
>
> On 17 Mar 2006, at 12:06, David Burgun wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Of course none of the solutions so far work if the function is  
>> commented out. To make the code 100% foolproof is a lot of work. I  
>> was doing something similar and found that comments made life  
>> really difficult.
>>
>> All the Best
>> Dave
>>
>> On 17 Mar 2006, at 11:42, Robert Brenstein wrote:
>>
>>>> Perhaps using
>>>>
>>>> set the wholematches to true
>>>> put lineOffset("on" && pHandlerName, pScript) into tStart
>>>> if tStart is 0 then put lineOffset("function" && pHandlerName,  
>>>> pScript) into
>>>> tStart
>>>> put (lineOffset("end" && pHandlerName, pScript) +1 into tEnd
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> answer tStart & cr & tEnd
>>>>
>>>> Jim Ault
>>>> Las Vegas
>>>>
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, wholematches can't be used, at least for the first  
>>> lineoffset, because there are likely some parameters further in  
>>> that line. The alternative to lineOffset is to use regex.
>>>
>>> A truly generic function would need to know whether it searches  
>>> for command or function, because it is possible to have one of  
>>> each with the same name.
>>>
>>> Robert



From mark at maseurope.net  Sun Mar 19 08:35:43 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 13:35:43 +0000
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <87A2ECE9-9F33-43D9-B80A-447139FC71C7@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <C03F8B1C.36383%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<a06110403c0404ff027be@[192.168.1.104]>
	<1BF42D94-68EC-46A1-8F34-334C5AACCBC6@dsl.pipex.com>
	<134E87F1-7BB2-4AD7-AE32-7E8BBC753053@maseurope.net>
	<87A2ECE9-9F33-43D9-B80A-447139FC71C7@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <840E8BD5-17C9-4082-AB5E-74229864D468@maseurope.net>

This might be dealt with better with a 'try...catch' structure. I  
don't know much about the error numbers that Rev produces, but

try
   cmdName
catch tError
   put tError
end try

where I know handler cmdName is commented out consistently produces  
this error string:
573,3,1,cmdName

This may or may not be useful in the context you described, but  
perhaps offers another way of testing for the existence or  
availability of a handler.


Mark


On 19 Mar 2006, at 13:18, David Burgun wrote:

> Hi,
>
> The problem is that if you are doing something like this:
>
> if the script of myObject contains "on HandlerName" then
>   send HandlerName to myObject
> end if
>
> This this will work if the Hander is NOT commented out, but will  
> fail with an error if the handler IS commented out. Also if you  
> have a comment in a Script that just happens to contain "on  
> HandlerName" then the "if" will succeed even though there is no  
> handler defined.
>
> I had a problem that took me ages to figure out. In a script I had  
> something like the following:
>
> --on Update make sure the field is not selected
>
> which meant that:
>
> if the script of myObject contains "on Update" then
>
> succeeded, but the send statement failed since there wasn't really  
> a handler called "update" defined. Checking for "end Update" *may*  
> have worked, as long as there was not a line that read something like:
>
> send Update to myObject
>
> Also checking for "end Update" slows the whole process down.
>
> What would be nice is the ability to check if a (real) handler  
> exists not just that the script contains text that looks like a  
> handler defintion. Something like this would be good:
>
> if exists(handler "Update" in script of myObject) then
>
> Which would make it 100% foolproof.
>
> All the Best
> Dave
>
> On 17 Mar 2006, at 12:19, Mark Smith wrote:
>
>> Commenting would only affect things if the wholeMatches is set to  
>> true - normally, lineOffset will get the right line even if it's  
>> commented out, no?
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On 17 Mar 2006, at 12:06, David Burgun wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Of course none of the solutions so far work if the function is  
>>> commented out. To make the code 100% foolproof is a lot of work.  
>>> I was doing something similar and found that comments made life  
>>> really difficult.
>>>
>>> All the Best
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On 17 Mar 2006, at 11:42, Robert Brenstein wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Perhaps using
>>>>>
>>>>> set the wholematches to true
>>>>> put lineOffset("on" && pHandlerName, pScript) into tStart
>>>>> if tStart is 0 then put lineOffset("function" && pHandlerName,  
>>>>> pScript) into
>>>>> tStart
>>>>> put (lineOffset("end" && pHandlerName, pScript) +1 into tEnd
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> answer tStart & cr & tEnd
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Ault
>>>>> Las Vegas
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, wholematches can't be used, at least for the  
>>>> first lineoffset, because there are likely some parameters  
>>>> further in that line. The alternative to lineOffset is to use  
>>>> regex.
>>>>
>>>> A truly generic function would need to know whether it searches  
>>>> for command or function, because it is possible to have one of  
>>>> each with the same name.
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>
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From mlange at lexicall.org  Sun Mar 19 08:46:25 2006
From: mlange at lexicall.org (Marielle Lange)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 13:46:25 +0000
Subject: Mind mapping in Rev ?
Message-ID: <17B2F545-277B-464C-8D2E-D130687B3DBE@lexicall.org>

Kresten,

There is a softwaret called freemind (another excellent product that  
is freely available, open source, written in java):

http://freemind.sourceforge.net/wiki/

It comes up with a standalone application as well as the possibility  
to store your mindmap into a standard format (xml) which can then be  
played on the web, within a java applet or a flash applet, as you  
prefer. You can see an example of the rendering of the concept map  
with the flash applet at:
http://widged.com/freemind/education_taxonomies.html

Best is probably to use freemind to write the map and play the  
content in altbrowser. Alternatively,  you can design a player in  
runrev.

Best regards,
Marielle

------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
--------
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Alternative emails: mlange at blueyonder.co.uk,

Homepage                                                            
http://homepages.widged.com/mlange/
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From livfoss at mac.com  Sun Mar 19 08:47:16 2006
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:47:16 +0100
Subject: Getting started with libraries
Message-ID: <EA49FA89-5E7E-4C27-B4EF-114DA84A36EB@mac.com>

Folks

Recent defences on the list of RunRev's capability with libraries has  
made me realise how much I've missed out by not organising my own  
work with libraries in mind. I would now like to make the move. but  
I'm finding it quite hard to decide how to get started. As in the old  
joke, to get there I shouldn't really have started from here... but  
there it is.

What I have is a few apps which work and have users etc, and which  
contain common elements. Up to now these common sections were created  
by wholesale copying of stacks and bits of code from a finished app  
to the next one to be developed. I find this is such an awkward  
process that I don't keep all the apps up to date in parallel. For  
example in App 1, I have devised a way for the user to register and  
enter a serial number to get a fully functional version of the  
program;  I copied this code into App 2, a process which was pretty  
clumsy in the first place because App 1 and App 2 can't have ANY  
stacks with the same name (unless I open two copies of RunRev, but  
for some reason I'm nervous of this idea). Then as I developed App 2,  
I improved on the stuff I got from App 1. But generally App 1 doesn't  
benefit because it's too much of a hassle to retrofit the improved  
code. Now if I did all this with libraries, I would be much better  
off, since the most up to date version of any library could be  
retrofitted without problems.

So for me the issue is how to reach this point from where I am today.  
Has anyone any advice about shifting my existing code into libraries  
without having to massively restructure my existing apps? So far all  
I have thought of is to remove the 'common' code to a library but to  
retain the handler that was in the original app simply as a wrapper -  
a wrapper handler would look like

on myOldHandler para1, para2
   do myLibraryStuff para1,para2
end myoldHandler

However I have been (I suppose) rather careless with ways of passing  
values, using various techniques including setting globals, specific  
fields etc. If the library is not to have too many side effects then  
I have to generalise those routines too, and that's the bit which I  
would like to do as efficiently as possible. Maybe it's just a messy  
job and that's all there is about it, but I'd like to know what other  
people think.

TIA

Graham
----------------------------------------
Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France



From Kresten.Bjerg at psy.ku.dk  Sun Mar 19 09:26:30 2006
From: Kresten.Bjerg at psy.ku.dk (Kresten Bjerg)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 15:26:30 +0100
Subject: Mind mapping in Rev ?
Message-ID: <s41d7838.098@PSYLIN2.LIN.KU.DK>

Hi 
-sorry to fill up even more, but I need a stable solution to ensure,
 that an answer to a posting, containing the exact same Subject label
 as the one I respond to, gets into the thread, starting to build up. What is the trick ? 
 I reply through another route, so I have to spell it out to the mailprogram. .

Another problem keeps occurring: The text I send (through a Novell WebAcess
 compose message  window) loses the short lines format,
 which I see, when it arrives in the archive..now .having endlessly long lines, and therefore 
becoming  extremely unattractive  to the list users, as you can see in my previous "Mind mapping in Rev ?" posting.....
....if you can find it !!!!  

PS: I know, that I "just have to make a return after each line, which I did here,  but...there should be a more comfortable solution
Kresten


From janselid at broadpark.no  Sun Mar 19 09:56:07 2006
From: janselid at broadpark.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jan_S=E6lid?=)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 15:56:07 +0100
Subject: Capslockkey function
References: <17B2F545-277B-464C-8D2E-D130687B3DBE@lexicall.org>
Message-ID: <003801c64b65$40ffe4d0$0300000a@makabre>

Hi there

Someone has asked this before, but I haven't found an answer.
I cannot get the capslockkey function to work. I have a number limited field 
where I want the user to be told if the capslock is down when they are 
typing.
I use a rawkeydown handler in the field.

The capslockkey always returns 'up".

Any suggestions?

Sincerely Jan 



From mark at maseurope.net  Sun Mar 19 10:17:44 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 15:17:44 +0000
Subject: Capslockkey function
In-Reply-To: <003801c64b65$40ffe4d0$0300000a@makabre>
References: <17B2F545-277B-464C-8D2E-D130687B3DBE@lexicall.org>
	<003801c64b65$40ffe4d0$0300000a@makabre>
Message-ID: <8261B5A1-8E0A-4579-B795-69B777ED8BF0@maseurope.net>

No help, I know, but it seems to be working fine here

Rev 2.7
Mac OS 10.4.5
G4 PB

What's your system?

Mark

On 19 Mar 2006, at 14:56, Jan S?lid wrote:

> Hi there
>
> Someone has asked this before, but I haven't found an answer.
> I cannot get the capslockkey function to work. I have a number  
> limited field where I want the user to be told if the capslock is  
> down when they are typing.
> I use a rawkeydown handler in the field.
>
> The capslockkey always returns 'up".
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Sincerely Jan
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From janselid at broadpark.no  Sun Mar 19 10:35:51 2006
From: janselid at broadpark.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jan_S=E6lid?=)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 16:35:51 +0100
Subject: Capslockkey function
References: <17B2F545-277B-464C-8D2E-D130687B3DBE@lexicall.org>
	<003801c64b65$40ffe4d0$0300000a@makabre>
	<F60AC95D-01A7-4091-B7AD-0A244879FCC0@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <005401c64b6a$cd78cb20$0300000a@makabre>

Thanks Eric 

That's a very good solution. But can I do this in a rawkey handler? 

The field is a number only field and I have to limit it so the user is only allowed to type numbers. No space or return. 
I also want to either give the user a warning that the capslock key is on or to translate the capslocked typing into numbers.

The best solution I have now is to translate each rawkey into the rawkey of the number. Thats 10 lines of code. 
But I would rather have a warning.... 

The capslockkey function does not seem to report anything other than the "up" state on my system.
I'm using rev 2.7 in XP

Jan

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Eric Chatonet 
  To: Jan S?lid 
  Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 4:18 PM
  Subject: Re: Capslockkey function


  Hi Jan,


  If I understand well (not sure) you want the text always typed in capitals in some fields.
  if it is the case, you might prefer to transform by yourself the typed text on the fly without worrying about the capslock key:


  on keyDown pKey
   put toUpper(pKey) after target
  end keyDown


  That's just to give you the idea (you'll have to handle the selectedText to be more accurate :-)


  Le 19 mars 06 ? 15:56, Jan S?lid a ?crit :


    Someone has asked this before, but I haven't found an answer.

    I cannot get the capslockkey function to work. I have a number limited field where I want the user to be told if the capslock is down when they are typing.

    I use a rawkeydown handler in the field.




    The capslockkey always returns 'up".




    Any suggestions?



  Best Regards from Paris,
  Eric Chatonet
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/    eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/





From rcozens at pon.net  Sun Mar 19 10:54:32 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 07:54:32 -0800
Subject: imagedata in Word XML
In-Reply-To: <DCB76A21-5BD9-4FB0-9872-1C3824194BD5@major-k.de>
References: <20060318180003.952FF8266C1@mail.runrev.com>
	<C6BB8D2A-3A01-487A-9C94-DB58049CE8C0@iglow-media.nl>
	<DCB76A21-5BD9-4FB0-9872-1C3824194BD5@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <A83F194E-B760-11DA-B13B-0030657E1638@pon.net>


Klaus, Henk, et al:

>> Indeed does the text of an image contain binary data, but it looks 
>> like it's in the PNG format.
>> I will do some testing.
>> If the text of an image is PNG binary data, and the Word file 
>> contains only PNG images, I would be able to set the text of an image 
>> to the decoded text from the WordXML node.
>
> one could also try to simply "put" the data into an image!
>
> -> put url("binfile:image.png") into img 1
> does work, so this is a least worth a try :-)
>

My assumption is that, just as changing an object's top property 
automatically changes other related properties (eg: 
topLeft,bottomRight, loc, etc.), changing an image's text property will 
automatically change imageData and other "text-related" properties of 
the image.  I'm a few days away from testing this issue myself.

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Sun Mar 19 10:55:07 2006
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 07:55:07 -0800
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <87A2ECE9-9F33-43D9-B80A-447139FC71C7@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <C03F8B1C.36383%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<a06110403c0404ff027be@[192.168.1.104]>
	<1BF42D94-68EC-46A1-8F34-334C5AACCBC6@dsl.pipex.com>
	<134E87F1-7BB2-4AD7-AE32-7E8BBC753053@maseurope.net>
	<87A2ECE9-9F33-43D9-B80A-447139FC71C7@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <00418756-1A90-4D62-BF55-51F60F46D5A1@inspiredlogic.com>


On Mar 19, 2006, at 5:18 AM, David Burgun wrote:

> The problem is that if you are doing something like this:
>
> if the script of myObject contains "on HandlerName" then
>   send HandlerName to myObject
> end if

The code I posted earlier guarantees that

on handlername

exists in the script, not commented, at the beginning of a line. I  
believe that guarantees that it is a valid handler.

Here it is:

put 0 into tLineNumber
put false into tEnteredHandler
repeat for each line L in tText -- tText is the script
   add 1 to tLineNumber
   if word 1 of L is among the items of "on,function,getprop,setprop"  
and \
     word 2 of L is tHandlerName then
     put tLineNumber into tStartLineNumber
     put true into tEnteredHandler
   end if
   if tEnteredHandler and \
     word 1 of L is "end" and \
     word 2 of L is tHandlerName then
     put tLineNumber into tEndLineNumber
     exit repeat
   end if
end repeat

-- if tEnteredHandler is false, we didn't find the handler
-- if tEnteredHandler is true, tStartLineNumber is where it starts,
-- tEndLineNumber is where it ends



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Mar 19 11:12:37 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:12:37 -0800
Subject: Get a handler from a script
Message-ID: <441D82F5.9080709@fourthworld.com>

David Burgun wrote:

> The problem is that if you are doing something like this:
>
> if the script of myObject contains "on HandlerName" then
>   send HandlerName to myObject
> end if

Since "on" or "function" must be the first word in a line to be an 
active command or function, you could simply add return to your 
evaluation to weed out comments:

   if cr&"on handlerName" is in cr&the script of myObject then


--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From rcozens at pon.net  Sun Mar 19 11:52:22 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:52:22 -0800
Subject: Getting started with libraries
In-Reply-To: <EA49FA89-5E7E-4C27-B4EF-114DA84A36EB@mac.com>
References: <EA49FA89-5E7E-4C27-B4EF-114DA84A36EB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BC1BDC9E-B768-11DA-B13B-0030657E1638@pon.net>


Hi Graham,

> So for me the issue is how to reach this point from where I am today. 
> Has anyone any advice about shifting my existing code into libraries 
> without having to massively restructure my existing apps?

First, you have my sincere condolences.

Second, you've made a wonderful case for the need for library stacks

Third, it will be a pain in the arse; but the longer you wait, the 
worse things will get and the greater the task will become.

> So far all I have thought of is to remove the 'common' code to a 
> library but to retain the handler that was in the original app simply 
> as a wrapper - a wrapper handler would look like
>
> on myOldHandler para1, para2
>   do myLibraryStuff para1,para2
> end myoldHandler
>

A little good news: unless your scripts contain declared local 
variables, there's a good chance this step is not necessary.

Given a control with a script including

on mouseUp
   put field "Quantity" into para1
   put field "Unit Cost" into para2
   myOldHandler para1,para2
   put the result into field "Total Cost"
end mouseUp

on myOldHandler para1,para2
   global taxRate,shippingTable
   get para1*para2
   set the numberFormat to "#.00"
   add (it*taxRate) to it
   repeat for each line shippingRate in shippingTable
       if item 1 of shippingRate >= it then
           add item 2 of shippingRate to it
            -- assumes last line of shipping table covers largest 
possible amount
           return it
       end if
   end repeat
end myOldHandler

, all you have to do is copy myOldHandler to the library stack, remove 
it from the control's script, and start using the library stack when 
the stack containing the control opens.

> However I have been (I suppose) rather careless with ways of passing 
> values, using various techniques including setting globals, specific 
> fields etc. If the library is not to have too many side effects then I 
> have to generalise those routines too, and that's the bit which I 
> would like to do as efficiently as possible. Maybe it's just a messy 
> job and that's all there is about it, but I'd like to know what other 
> people think.
>

I hate to confirm what you don't want to hear; but, yes, it ends up 
being a messy job for the reasons you identified: creating a 
generalized handler from two or more similar handlers in different 
stacks often means changing the scripts in both.  To the extent that 
your common handlers are generic, you might adopt your controls to use 
handlers in existing rev libraries rather than generalizing your 
handlers as well as the scripts of controls that call them. Serendipity 
Library <http://wecode.org/serendipity/> includes handlers for data 
validation & formatting, date & time handlers, and list handlers in 
addition to SDB database handlers.

The good news: when you are finished, the efficiency you will gain is 
worth much more than the effort involved.

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From wmb at internettrainer.com  Sun Mar 19 12:19:29 2006
From: wmb at internettrainer.com (Wolfgang Bereuter)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 18:19:29 +0100
Subject: Mind mapping in Rev ?
In-Reply-To: <s41b7c83.071@PSYLIN2.LIN.KU.DK>
References: <s41b7c83.071@PSYLIN2.LIN.KU.DK>
Message-ID: <C8DE4CA6-E1BD-4F86-A1ED-F71E6A9B8BEF@internettrainer.com>

Hi Kresten,
i `ll try it as short as possible;)

On 18.03.2006, at 03:20, Kresten Bjerg wrote:

FOA. Why Mindmaps? Im gooing away from that (word). Why?
Tony Buzan has not invented them.  Buzan has reinvented them, but has  
the copyright. (The spanish monk Ramon LLul invented) Very bad for  
Open Source and freeware low price notebooks. why pay a fee for  
copyiing? Call them concept maps, idea maps, etc...

> Has anyone been experimenting with implementing elementary mind- 
> mapping functions
> in Rev ?
I did it. But its a different animal. I developed trainingsmaps  
(based on mindmaps). trainingsmaps are for  learning (unknown  
content) MM are for notetaking.
I did the trainingsmaps in Inspiration and made the authoring in an  
erarly version of rev (based on image maps). (That worked, but it has  
cost me some years of my "non coder?s" life)

> In our development of a  global freeware e-diary tool we would like  
> to include at least
> some options for users to build and update their own mind-maps,  
> without having to pay
> many hundreds meals of rice for themselves or their kids to do it?
Why I would not do that without a specisl collaboration of a new and  
different RR. rev laks support, a modular concept, a engine only  
version, a foreseeable business policy, etc...

> But a search on this site hardly has a clue.
>  If the INSPIRATION people could do it many many years ago, it  
> shouldnt be that complicated ?

Now I dont work much with Inspiration anymore, but it has one big  
point for developing any Maps and MM?s. The best integration of Maps  
and Outliner in one tool. No other tool does it like Inspiration. And  
its stable. Did I mentioned stable? distribiuted worldwide. for WIN  
Mac and Palm.

Sometimes (here on the list) I tried to find a "kind" of Outliner/ 
maps programming GUI for the rev engine, Richard and others saif the  
y could do that, ... It never has been realized. (i think: For your  
project you need a rev engine only and a good support from RR.)
Aa good outliner is essentiell for a good mindmapping tool. If you  
want "Mindmapping small" take kidspiration, My Mind, Freemind or on  
of the Concept map tools out there.
Daniels & Mara did a nice step in that direction. Have a look at  
"Constellation". that could be the base of a real Map/outliner  
developer tool. Yes I know thats not exactly what you are looking  
for, biut thats what i think would be be a killer app for the 100  
Notebook. But its only the half, and here ist the pint for such a  
tool. (No matter if its a MM developer or a MM drawing tool (yours):  
developer costs...

And there are so many good (MM drawing) tools out there, for little  
money too. For Mac and Win and open source (http:// 
freemind.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page). For  
crossplatform, professional and/or beginners.
Here is a list from the top of my head for the mac. Nearly all of  
them can export to html, rtf, opml, rtf and pdf with links. Some are  
mentioned bevore.

Inspiration
My Mind
Pyramid, Incubator
Curio
Omni Graffle
Nova Mind
ConceptDraw MINDMAP
Mind Manager
Freemind
(I think thats part of the debian distribution now)

> But a search on this site hardly has a clue.
>  If the INSPIRATION people could do it many many years ago, it  
> shouldnt be that complicated ?
Stable, usable, brainstorming (rapid fire) send dokuments to Word and  
integrated Outliner? with tousands of templates and Millions of  
Symbol libs?

>
> And with the 100 dollar MIT laptop to Africa it might fit into a  
> linux context !

i had/have this idea, but with the traningsmaps. Because the people  
there should learn first(!) the basics of the PC?s, Net,  
telekommunication. Notetaking with Mindmaps (on the PC) is imho the  
second or third step. First is MM or any other typ of maps on Paper
for brainstorming I would rather use a good outliner like Mori  
(before HogBay notebook), Omni Outliner, Devonnote(think) Inspiration  
and Curio (the Outliner is inside - keynotelike - great for  
brainstorming) and Omni Graffle Pro.

my 2 cent

regards
wolfgang bereuter

--
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From Camm29 at tesco.net  Sun Mar 19 12:48:53 2006
From: Camm29 at tesco.net (Camm29)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:48:53 -0000
Subject: Exit Repeat
Message-ID: <008201c64b7d$655803e0$0a01a8c0@mobile1>

I need to Exit a Repeat 
and go to another card if i press a button !

Regards Camm

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Mar 19 12:47:52 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 11:47:52 -0600
Subject: Search Script
In-Reply-To: <001501c64b3a$adb82270$0101a8c0@EMRBUERO>
References: <20060318180004.13BAF8266CA@mail.runrev.com>
	<001501c64b3a$adb82270$0101a8c0@EMRBUERO>
Message-ID: <441D9948.7020501@hyperactivesw.com>

Ernst M. Reicher wrote:
> Hi,
> I tried to start discussion about this several times in the past...
> but the response was poor....  probably REAL delvelopers store their 
> scripts in their hypothalamus and don?t need a SearchScript....:-)
> ..over the years I found some trials in other "plugins" that worked so 
> and so....

There has probably been little response because script searches are 
built into Revolution. Type Command-F, uncheck all but the "Script" 
checkbox, and click "Find" to do the search.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From simplsol at aol.com  Sun Mar 19 13:16:53 2006
From: simplsol at aol.com (simplsol at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 13:16:53 -0500
Subject: Exit Repeat
In-Reply-To: <008201c64b7d$655803e0$0a01a8c0@mobile1>
References: <008201c64b7d$655803e0$0a01a8c0@mobile1>
Message-ID: <8C819986F052CF2-12D4-8619@FWM-M17.sysops.aol.com>

Camm,
If the repeat script is in a stack script, something like this might do 
it for you:

on repeat...
     if the hilite of button "Stop this repeat" is true
     then
          go to card x
          exit repeat
     end if
     do repeat stuff
     do more repeat stuff
end repeat

-----Original Message-----
From: Camm29 <Camm29 at tesco.net>
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Sent: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:48:53 -0000
Subject: Exit Repeat

   I need to Exit a Repeat
and go to another card if i press a button !

Regards Camm
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun Mar 19 13:17:53 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 12:17:53 -0600
Subject: Exit Repeat
In-Reply-To: <008201c64b7d$655803e0$0a01a8c0@mobile1>
Message-ID: <C042FC71.37F80%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/19/06 11:48 AM, "Camm29" <Camm29 at tesco.net> wrote:

> I need to Exit a Repeat
> and go to another card if i press a button !

If you could post the part of your script you're having trouble with, we'd
be able to help you better.

You can use "exit repeat" from inside a repeat loop to bail out and start on
the next line following the "end repeat" statement. Is that what you're
looking for?

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From chipp at chipp.com  Sun Mar 19 13:24:55 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 12:24:55 -0600
Subject: switch
In-Reply-To: <441CE263.8030402@debraneys.com>
References: <C0421D18.364C9%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<441CE263.8030402@debraneys.com>
Message-ID: <441DA1F7.4040003@chipp.com>

Hi John,

While technically, There's not a difference between a local and 'temp' 
variable, I do make such a distinction in naming them.

This is because local variables may be declared and then shared between 
handlers/functions of the same object script. This is handy when 
creating library scripts. You can think of them as private globals if 
you wish.

So, if I declare at the top of my script (outside handlers and functions):

local lServerURL,lFtpURL

I can then use these variables inside any handler/function in my script. 
It is handy for many things, and you don't have to worry about any sort 
of global conflicts.

best,

Chipp

John Tregea wrote:
> Dear Jim, Chipp and James,
> 
> I thought it must be something like that but tend to call 'temporary' 
> variables 'local' variables, so I didn't guess the connection.



From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Sun Mar 19 13:47:04 2006
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:47:04 +0100
Subject: Exit Repeat
References: <008201c64b7d$655803e0$0a01a8c0@mobile1>
Message-ID: <441DA724.FD9B890B@club-internet.fr>

if the mouse is down then
    go cd X
    exit repeat
end if

> I need to Exit a Repeat
> and go to another card if i press a button !
>





From Camm29 at tesco.net  Sun Mar 19 13:38:32 2006
From: Camm29 at tesco.net (Camm29)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 18:38:32 -0000
Subject: Exit Repeat
References: <008201c64b7d$655803e0$0a01a8c0@mobile1>
	<8C819986F052CF2-12D4-8619@FWM-M17.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <008b01c64b84$550699a0$0a01a8c0@mobile1>

It's exactly what's needed , but i could not get this to work ?
Regards Camm

----- Original Message -----
From: <simplsol at aol.com>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: Exit Repeat


> Camm,
> If the repeat script is in a stack script, something like this might do
> it for you:
>
> on repeat...
>      if the hilite of button "Stop this repeat" is true
>      then
>           go to card x
>           exit repeat
>      end if
>      do repeat stuff
>      do more repeat stuff
> end repeat
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Camm29 <Camm29 at tesco.net>
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Sent: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:48:53 -0000
> Subject: Exit Repeat
>
>    I need to Exit a Repeat
> and go to another card if i press a button !
>
> Regards Camm
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From mark at maseurope.net  Sun Mar 19 13:48:55 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 18:48:55 +0000
Subject: Exit Repeat
In-Reply-To: <008b01c64b84$550699a0$0a01a8c0@mobile1>
References: <008201c64b7d$655803e0$0a01a8c0@mobile1>
	<8C819986F052CF2-12D4-8619@FWM-M17.sysops.aol.com>
	<008b01c64b84$550699a0$0a01a8c0@mobile1>
Message-ID: <E7083B87-C2B3-419B-ADEA-E8492A41D637@maseurope.net>

Do you also want to exit the current handler that contains the repeat?

Mark


On 19 Mar 2006, at 18:38, Camm29 wrote:

> It's exactly what's needed , but i could not get this to work ?
> Regards Camm
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <simplsol at aol.com>
> To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 6:16 PM
> Subject: Re: Exit Repeat
>
>
>> Camm,
>> If the repeat script is in a stack script, something like this  
>> might do
>> it for you:
>>
>> on repeat...
>>      if the hilite of button "Stop this repeat" is true
>>      then
>>           go to card x
>>           exit repeat
>>      end if
>>      do repeat stuff
>>      do more repeat stuff
>> end repeat
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Camm29 <Camm29 at tesco.net>
>> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Sent: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:48:53 -0000
>> Subject: Exit Repeat
>>
>>    I need to Exit a Repeat
>> and go to another card if i press a button !
>>
>> Regards Camm
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From Camm29 at tesco.net  Sun Mar 19 13:55:42 2006
From: Camm29 at tesco.net (Camm29)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 18:55:42 -0000
Subject: Exit Repeat
References: <008201c64b7d$655803e0$0a01a8c0@mobile1><8C819986F052CF2-12D4-8619@FWM-M17.sysops.aol.com><008b01c64b84$550699a0$0a01a8c0@mobile1>
	<E7083B87-C2B3-419B-ADEA-E8492A41D637@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <001801c64b86$bb298880$0a01a8c0@mobile1>

YES , Please
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Smith" <mark at maseurope.net>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: Exit Repeat


> Do you also want to exit the current handler that contains the repeat?
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 19 Mar 2006, at 18:38, Camm29 wrote:
>
> > It's exactly what's needed , but i could not get this to work ?
> > Regards Camm
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <simplsol at aol.com>
> > To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 6:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: Exit Repeat
> >
> >
> >> Camm,
> >> If the repeat script is in a stack script, something like this
> >> might do
> >> it for you:
> >>
> >> on repeat...
> >>      if the hilite of button "Stop this repeat" is true
> >>      then
> >>           go to card x
> >>           exit repeat
> >>      end if
> >>      do repeat stuff
> >>      do more repeat stuff
> >> end repeat
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Camm29 <Camm29 at tesco.net>
> >> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >> Sent: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:48:53 -0000
> >> Subject: Exit Repeat
> >>
> >>    I need to Exit a Repeat
> >> and go to another card if i press a button !
> >>
> >> Regards Camm
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-revolution mailing list
> >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription
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> >>
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From mark at maseurope.net  Sun Mar 19 14:32:14 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:32:14 +0000
Subject: Exit Repeat
In-Reply-To: <001801c64b86$bb298880$0a01a8c0@mobile1>
References: <008201c64b7d$655803e0$0a01a8c0@mobile1><8C819986F052CF2-12D4-8619@FWM-M17.sysops.aol.com><008b01c64b84$550699a0$0a01a8c0@mobile1>
	<E7083B87-C2B3-419B-ADEA-E8492A41D637@maseurope.net>
	<001801c64b86$bb298880$0a01a8c0@mobile1>
Message-ID: <8E8563FD-08FD-4983-AA1E-2DC01D67C43A@maseurope.net>

Maybe a send in time solution?

repeat
	if the controlkey is down -- user presses the control key
  	   send "go cd x" to me in 10 millisecs
   	   exit to top
	end if
....
end repeat	

Mark
On 19 Mar 2006, at 18:55, Camm29 wrote:

> YES , Please
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Smith" <mark at maseurope.net>
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 6:48 PM
> Subject: Re: Exit Repeat
>
>
>> Do you also want to exit the current handler that contains the  
>> repeat?
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> On 19 Mar 2006, at 18:38, Camm29 wrote:
>>
>>> It's exactly what's needed , but i could not get this to work ?
>>> Regards Camm
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <simplsol at aol.com>
>>> To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 6:16 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Exit Repeat
>>>
>>>
>>>> Camm,
>>>> If the repeat script is in a stack script, something like this
>>>> might do
>>>> it for you:
>>>>
>>>> on repeat...
>>>>      if the hilite of button "Stop this repeat" is true
>>>>      then
>>>>           go to card x
>>>>           exit repeat
>>>>      end if
>>>>      do repeat stuff
>>>>      do more repeat stuff
>>>> end repeat
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Camm29 <Camm29 at tesco.net>
>>>> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Sent: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:48:53 -0000
>>>> Subject: Exit Repeat
>>>>
>>>>    I need to Exit a Repeat
>>>> and go to another card if i press a button !
>>>>
>>>> Regards Camm
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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>>>> subscription
>>>> preferences:
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>>>>
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>>> subscription preferences:
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>>>
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From rjb at robelko.com  Sun Mar 19 14:32:54 2006
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 20:32:54 +0100
Subject: Capslockkey function
In-Reply-To: <005401c64b6a$cd78cb20$0300000a@makabre>
References: <17B2F545-277B-464C-8D2E-D130687B3DBE@lexicall.org>
	<003801c64b65$40ffe4d0$0300000a@makabre>
	<F60AC95D-01A7-4091-B7AD-0A244879FCC0@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<005401c64b6a$cd78cb20$0300000a@makabre>
Message-ID: <a06110403c04361904c87@[141.89.100.174]>

>Thanks Eric
>
>That's a very good solution. But can I do this in a rawkey handler?
>
>The field is a number only field and I have to limit it so the user 
>is only allowed to type numbers. No space or return.
>I also want to either give the user a warning that the capslock key 
>is on or to translate the capslocked typing into numbers.
>
>The best solution I have now is to translate each rawkey into the 
>rawkey of the number. Thats 10 lines of code.
>But I would rather have a warning....
>
>The capslockkey function does not seem to report anything other than 
>the "up" state on my system.
>I'm using rev 2.7 in XP
>
>Jan
>
>

But capslock should not affect typing numbers AFAIK.

return or enter are easy to handle with returnkey and enterkey handlers.

space and other non-numeric character can be checked and reported or 
simply weeded out in closeField.

Robert


From transcom at comcast.net  Sun Mar 19 14:45:31 2006
From: transcom at comcast.net (Michael Mandaville)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 11:45:31 -0800
Subject: A Triangle Box  Field like Entourage
Message-ID: <C042F4DB.2069%transcom@comcast.net>

Does anybody have a sample of the Triangle system used in fields in
Entourage?  Where one clicks the triangle to reveal either folders in the
left hand box.  Or email in the center column?

Or is there a better, alternate way to do this in Rev?

Thanks,
Michael




From mark at maseurope.net  Sun Mar 19 14:46:22 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:46:22 +0000
Subject: Exit Repeat
In-Reply-To: <8E8563FD-08FD-4983-AA1E-2DC01D67C43A@maseurope.net>
References: <008201c64b7d$655803e0$0a01a8c0@mobile1><8C819986F052CF2-12D4-8619@FWM-M17.sysops.aol.com><008b01c64b84$550699a0$0a01a8c0@mobile1>
	<E7083B87-C2B3-419B-ADEA-E8492A41D637@maseurope.net>
	<001801c64b86$bb298880$0a01a8c0@mobile1>
	<8E8563FD-08FD-4983-AA1E-2DC01D67C43A@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <4FC63902-2357-4564-BAD4-92B488638DDE@maseurope.net>

And while we're on the subject, does anyone have a way of finding out  
if the escape key is down?

This would be a more natural key to use to abort, but I can't see a  
way to do it, it doesn't register with keyDown, and doesn't show up  
in keysDown()...It might be good to be able to use it like the  
control/option/command keys.

Mark

On 19 Mar 2006, at 19:32, Mark Smith wrote:

> Maybe a send in time solution?
>
> repeat
> 	if the controlkey is down -- user presses the control key
>  	   send "go cd x" to me in 10 millisecs
>   	   exit to top
> 	end if
> ....
> end repeat



From janselid at broadpark.no  Sun Mar 19 14:56:54 2006
From: janselid at broadpark.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jan_S=E6lid?=)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 20:56:54 +0100
Subject: Capslockkey function
References: <17B2F545-277B-464C-8D2E-D130687B3DBE@lexicall.org>
	<003801c64b65$40ffe4d0$0300000a@makabre>
	<F60AC95D-01A7-4091-B7AD-0A244879FCC0@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<005401c64b6a$cd78cb20$0300000a@makabre>
	<a06110403c04361904c87@[141.89.100.174]>
Message-ID: <014701c64b8f$45d01870$0300000a@makabre>

Eric Chatonet gave me this great and short solution to my problem:

---
    you can use a simple keydown handler:


    on keyDown pKey
      if pKey is an integer then pass keyDown
    end keyDown


    This will allow to type numbers only and use the delete key.
    No more :-)
---

Easy as that! By the way I think that the problem with the capslockkey 
function must be a bug in 2.7 for windows
I've reported it to bugzilla.

Thanks everyone to the response!

Jan


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Brenstein" <rjb at robelko.com>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: Capslockkey function


> >Thanks Eric
>>
>>That's a very good solution. But can I do this in a rawkey handler?
>>
>>The field is a number only field and I have to limit it so the user is 
>>only allowed to type numbers. No space or return.
>>I also want to either give the user a warning that the capslock key is on 
>>or to translate the capslocked typing into numbers.
>>
>>The best solution I have now is to translate each rawkey into the rawkey 
>>of the number. Thats 10 lines of code.
>>But I would rather have a warning....
>>
>>The capslockkey function does not seem to report anything other than the 
>>"up" state on my system.
>>I'm using rev 2.7 in XP
>>
>>Jan
>>
>>
>
> But capslock should not affect typing numbers AFAIK.
>
> return or enter are easy to handle with returnkey and enterkey handlers.
>
> space and other non-numeric character can be checked and reported or 
> simply weeded out in closeField.
>
> Robert
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From soapdog at mac.com  Sun Mar 19 14:56:55 2006
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 16:56:55 -0300
Subject: Exit Repeat
In-Reply-To: <4FC63902-2357-4564-BAD4-92B488638DDE@maseurope.net>
References: <008201c64b7d$655803e0$0a01a8c0@mobile1>
	<8C819986F052CF2-12D4-8619@FWM-M17.sysops.aol.com>
	<008b01c64b84$550699a0$0a01a8c0@mobile1>
	<E7083B87-C2B3-419B-ADEA-E8492A41D637@maseurope.net>
	<001801c64b86$bb298880$0a01a8c0@mobile1>
	<8E8563FD-08FD-4983-AA1E-2DC01D67C43A@maseurope.net>
	<4FC63902-2357-4564-BAD4-92B488638DDE@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <A3D4F67D-F19F-4283-9EE5-FAF30A0CE7C0@mac.com>

Mark,

there is a escapekey message...

on escapekey
   --- crash dive! crash dive!
end escapekey

:D

Cheers
andre
On Mar 19, 2006, at 4:46 PM, Mark Smith wrote:

> And while we're on the subject, does anyone have a way of finding  
> out if the escape key is down?
>
> This would be a more natural key to use to abort, but I can't see a  
> way to do it, it doesn't register with keyDown, and doesn't show up  
> in keysDown()...It might be good to be able to use it like the  
> control/option/command keys.
>
> Mark
>
> On 19 Mar 2006, at 19:32, Mark Smith wrote:
>
>> Maybe a send in time solution?
>>
>> repeat
>> 	if the controlkey is down -- user presses the control key
>>  	   send "go cd x" to me in 10 millisecs
>>   	   exit to top
>> 	end if
>> ....
>> end repeat
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From mark at maseurope.net  Sun Mar 19 15:04:13 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 20:04:13 +0000
Subject: Exit Repeat
In-Reply-To: <A3D4F67D-F19F-4283-9EE5-FAF30A0CE7C0@mac.com>
References: <008201c64b7d$655803e0$0a01a8c0@mobile1>
	<8C819986F052CF2-12D4-8619@FWM-M17.sysops.aol.com>
	<008b01c64b84$550699a0$0a01a8c0@mobile1>
	<E7083B87-C2B3-419B-ADEA-E8492A41D637@maseurope.net>
	<001801c64b86$bb298880$0a01a8c0@mobile1>
	<8E8563FD-08FD-4983-AA1E-2DC01D67C43A@maseurope.net>
	<4FC63902-2357-4564-BAD4-92B488638DDE@maseurope.net>
	<A3D4F67D-F19F-4283-9EE5-FAF30A0CE7C0@mac.com>
Message-ID: <6F85679B-1E7D-4AC6-9F15-FAE05B764286@maseurope.net>

Andre, the trouble is that in the case of interrupting a repeat loop,  
you can't test for whether the escape key is down like you can with  
control/option/command.

So use control/option/command, of course :)
But the escape key would be more natural...


Marl

On 19 Mar 2006, at 19:56, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Mark,
>
> there is a escapekey message...
>
> on escapekey
>   --- crash dive! crash dive!
> end escapekey
>
> :D
>
> Cheers
> andre
> On Mar 19, 2006, at 4:46 PM, Mark Smith wrote:
>
>> And while we're on the subject, does anyone have a way of finding  
>> out if the escape key is down?
>>
>> This would be a more natural key to use to abort, but I can't see  
>> a way to do it, it doesn't register with keyDown, and doesn't show  
>> up in keysDown()...It might be good to be able to use it like the  
>> control/option/command keys.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On 19 Mar 2006, at 19:32, Mark Smith wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe a send in time solution?
>>>
>>> repeat
>>> 	if the controlkey is down -- user presses the control key
>>>  	   send "go cd x" to me in 10 millisecs
>>>   	   exit to top
>>> 	end if
>>> ....
>>> end repeat
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
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From e.reicher at gmx.at  Sun Mar 19 15:50:14 2006
From: e.reicher at gmx.at (Ernst M. Reicher)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:50:14 +0100
Subject: Search Script
References: <20060319180009.5726982649C@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <008601c64b96$bb87e1e0$0101a8c0@EMRBUERO>

oups - aha
I tried the "built in" some time ago and it worked awfully slow....
also this seems to be a little bit neglected....
drag the right border:  there is an unused popup, a "walking circle", a 
progressbar and a resizeIcon.....

thank you Jacqueline!!!

Regards,
            Ernst

> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 11:47:52 -0600
> From: "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
> Subject: Re: Search Script
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <441D9948.7020501 at hyperactivesw.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Ernst M. Reicher wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I tried to start discussion about this several times in the past...
>> but the response was poor....  probably REAL delvelopers store their
>> scripts in their hypothalamus and don?t need a SearchScript....:-)
>> ..over the years I found some trials in other "plugins" that worked so
>> and so....
>
> There has probably been little response because script searches are
> built into Revolution. Type Command-F, uncheck all but the "Script"
> checkbox, and click "Find" to do the search.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Mar 19 15:51:18 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 12:51:18 -0800
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <87A2ECE9-9F33-43D9-B80A-447139FC71C7@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <C03F8B1C.36383%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<a06110403c0404ff027be@[192.168.1.104]>
	<1BF42D94-68EC-46A1-8F34-334C5AACCBC6@dsl.pipex.com>
	<134E87F1-7BB2-4AD7-AE32-7E8BBC753053@maseurope.net>
	<87A2ECE9-9F33-43D9-B80A-447139FC71C7@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <02338081.20060319125118@ahsoftware.net>

David-

Sunday, March 19, 2006, 5:18:27 AM, you wrote:

> This this will work if the Hander is NOT commented out, but will fail
> with an error if the handler IS commented out. Also if you have a  
> comment in a Script that just happens to contain "on HandlerName"  
> then the "if" will succeed even though there is no handler defined.

Here's a line I learned from Jerry Daniels:

filter tScript with "[ofsgOFSG][nueNUE][ ntNT]*"

If necessary you can say:

replace space & space with space in tScript

Then you just check for the handler you're looking for:

if lineOffset("on" && HandlerName, tScript) is not zero then...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Mar 19 15:55:21 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 12:55:21 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>
	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>
	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
Message-ID: <212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>

Geoff-

Saturday, March 18, 2006, 1:24:50 PM, you wrote:

> I've never seen a hundred-line routine that wouldn't be better as
> five twenty-line routines, each of which could be documented with a
> line of code. Perhaps even ten ten-line routines.

It's probably my forth background, but I'm mildly allergic to routines
that don't fit in their entirety onto my screen.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Mar 19 16:41:31 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 13:41:31 -0800
Subject: Exit Repeat
Message-ID: <441DD00B.80304@fourthworld.com>

Mark Smith wrote:
> Andre, the trouble is that in the case of interrupting a repeat loop,  
> you can't test for whether the escape key is down like you can with  
> control/option/command.
> 
> So use control/option/command, of course :)
> But the escape key would be more natural...

Check out the entry for the keysDown function in the Transcript 
Dictionary; I believe that'll get you where you want to go....

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From nicolas_cueto at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 19 16:54:50 2006
From: nicolas_cueto at yahoo.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 06:54:50 +0900
Subject: [OT] looking for rev (or mc) cgi engine
Message-ID: <026e01c64b9f$cd89a0f0$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>

Hello List,

It's been a back-and-forth with my
webhost these last two weeks trying
to get what was a perfectly working
mc-cgi setup to startup on a new
account.

The latest word from their technical
support staff is:

"It seems that the binary format is not 
compatable on the system, If you can get 
setup as ELF-32 it will probably work."

Unsure what this means, my guess is that
the FreeBSD mc/rev engine I ftp'd from
RunRev, needs to be compiled (uploaded?)
in ELF-32 format, whatever exactly that is.

Anyway, if someone understands what
I'm being asked for and can explain or
help me out, it would be a great relief.

Many thanks.

Cheers,
Nicolas Cueto


From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Sun Mar 19 17:12:57 2006
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:12:57 -0800
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <441D82F5.9080709@fourthworld.com>
References: <441D82F5.9080709@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <8E51C708-0393-4233-B3AC-B05000871BF2@inspiredlogic.com>


On Mar 19, 2006, at 8:12 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Since "on" or "function" must be the first word in a line to be an  
> active command or function, you could simply add return to your  
> evaluation to weed out comments:
>
>   if cr&"on handlerName" is in cr&the script of myObject then

If there is a leading space on the line this won't find it.


On Mar 19, 2006, at 12:51 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Here's a line I learned from Jerry Daniels:
>
> filter tScript with "[ofsgOFSG][nueNUE][ ntNT]*"

This won't either.

Of course, any well-formatted script won't have spaces before a  
handler definition, but that doesn't stop the script from compiling.  
Checking the first word of each line is (I believe) certain, and is  
still reasonably fast (takes less than twice as long as the filter  
command in informal testing).

Unfortunately for anyone attempting this task, this is a perfectly  
valid script:

/* this is a comment
as is this */on mouseUp
   answer "yes"
end mouseUp

I don't know of a good way around that, so I have ignored it thus  
far ;-)

gc


From mlange at lexicall.org  Sun Mar 19 17:17:22 2006
From: mlange at lexicall.org (Marielle Lange)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:17:22 +0000
Subject: Making the move...
Message-ID: <4C003C98-91CC-47C3-A7B3-BBF2622CC7B8@lexicall.org>

> If you aren't happy with the tool, then just don't use it. It's  
> that simple.

It is not very wise to say so. If all dissatisfied persons on this  
list followed your advice, in the present context, this could cost  
runrev very many clients. My personal view on this is that it is  
better to express the reasons for dissatisfaction so that the  
problems can be resolved.

What I have seen on this list is that you just want to get rid of the  
persons who tell you there is a problem... and keep your problem. I  
am interested in using the excellent product that revolution is. I am  
not interested to have to accept to deal with problems like the  
present ones for the months to come for the priviledge to use it.

For the record, Richmond was banished. He was brought back only  
because I did intercede for him. The reason he ended up using cursed  
language is because of his growing frustration at being asked to shut  
it up on his discourse on open source. Honestly, your very biased and  
overtly hostile email is an invitation for insults. A proof of this  
is that you already received emails back when you wrote a similar  
email to a user who had the very stupid idea to do the same thing as  
me, express a criticism.

> http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2005-December/ 
> 071769.html
> Why isn't Rev more popular?
> Jerry Saperstein runrev at civildiscovery.com
> Mon Dec 5 20:30:16 CST 2005
> 	Criticism of Revolution generally apparently is generally
> disapproved of here. I've seen a number of valid criticisms  
> dismissed in the
> same way as yours have been.

And what argument did you use to dismiss her claim... nothing but  
Innuendo and defamation, something *far too frequent* on this list.
> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user/71131
> From: Chipp Walters <chipp at ...>
> Subject: Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?
> Newsgroups: gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user
> Date: 2005-12-06 04:59:20 GMT (14 weeks, 5 days, 16 hours and 35  
> minutes ago)
> You wouldn't be the Jerry Saperstein of Font Bank fame who was  
> accussed
> back in the 90's of stealing clipart intellectual property and  
> reselling
> it...would you? If so, how'd that turn out?


The fact that you discredited her in this unacceptable ways probably  
didn't help. She ended up insulting you. I won't insult you. But  
being in the position Richmond was put or Jerry was put, I understand  
their reaction. I don't approve it. But I understand how they came to  
explode. They did it because some not so acceptable means were used  
to discredit them and there was nothing they could say anymore to  
have the truth restored. Fortunately for me, it is probably less easy  
to discredit the person who contributed this to the community:
http://revolution.widged.com/wiki/tiki-index.php? 
page=TutorialsTeacherManual
http://revolution.widged.com/stacks/
http://codes.widged.com/

I am a defender of runrev. And it is BECAUSE I am a defender of  
runrev that I do take the time to speak out and denounce problems  
that contribute to keep persons AWAY from this excellent product. I  
don't know what game you play Chipp, Dan, Richard, but it really  
looks like you are trying to prevent the members of the non profit  
community to express their views and describe their needs on this  
list. Anytime they do, they are discredited.

Richard said he was sorry to see freeGui not more popular.  
Apparently, he was not sorry defaming the freeGui project leader on  
the metacard list:
> http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/metacard/2006-February/009068.html
> While it's hard to find a post from you regarding Rev in any forum  
> which
> doesn't turn it into an opportunity to express your negative opinions
> about the product, in this case it seems Kevin chose to finish a  
> thread
> that was started here by writing to an entirely different list.  My
> apologies for thinking that this latest post from you was like the
> dozens before it.

For the record, Richmond didn't hack to the RR website. I am  
completely fed up to see the likes of you transform the truth on this  
list and discredit persons who have been deprived from the right to  
defend themselves. No hack was required to see the 2.7 announce, a  
simple search on google was enough. Richmond lacked of judgement, I  
agree. But he clearly didn't mean to do any harm. If he could access  
to this page, the error was the one of runrev's not his (the page,  
was NOT password protected and if you reached it via google, you had  
no way to know you were accessing information you were not supposed  
to access). The fact that he emailed a copy of the 2.7 announce on  
the list didn't justify to see him banish. Anybody else would have  
done so, there would have been no consequences (yes, I know, most  
persons wouldn't have done so, but that's a different issue).

For the record, Xavier doesn't really have the opportunity to defend  
himself on this list because Kevin recently sent him an email to tell  
Xavier that if he tried to defend himself, he would be kicked out of  
the list. He choose not to do so because this would simply have  
prolonged the conflict for no positive outcome. He choose to leave  
because he knew he had no chance to be treated in an honourful way.  
For the record, I have seen some of you write on the improve list  
(where Xavier has no access) that Xavier *knowingly* cheated  
revolution. For the record, runrev doesn't even as a proof that  
Xavier cheated them at all. If you check up the emails posted on the  
list you will see that the first For the record, here are Xavier's  
post on the list:

xavier.bury at clearstream.com at Thu Feb 16 01:16:11 CST 2006 wrote  
on the metacard list:
> As an enterprise user, i never got a wiff of a test cycle or beta   
> release...
> Xavier Bury

xavier.bury at clearstream.com at Thu Feb 16 01:39:16 CST 2006 wrote  
on the metacard list:
> For some reason, and after lots of asking my studio license was  
> inserted in the list.
> Then it was removed by Heather - and she never looked if i wasn't  
> also an enterprise user.
> [...]
> im seriously displeased at this level....
> ---------------------=---------------------
> Xavier Bury

It is possible that Xavier used the revolution engine to update his  
metacard version. But what the facts are is (1) Xavier has a valid  
paid license (I don't know for what version, possibly runrev 2.5),  
(2) it couldn't be proven he cheated at all, and (3) if communication  
with runrev had been better, Xavier wouldn't have *UNKNOWINGLY* used  
his copy beyond license terms.

So, runrev, is it possible to reassure your very many non profit  
clients here that when such problems arise, they can be expected to  
receive a *FAIR* treatment and not be expelled from the list with for  
only argument "we cannot prove that you have cheated us, but we are  
sure you cheated us and therefore we will act accordingly". I don't  
know if you realise that such methods are *morally unacceptable*.  
Either you have no proof either you have one. You cannot act as if  
you had a proof when you have none. I don't know what the laws are in  
your country but in mine (Belgium) a person is innocent unless you  
can prove him guilty.

> If you aren't happy with the tool, then just don't use it. It's  
> that simple.

And yes, Chipp, that's the problem. I have recently come to the  
conclusion that I should better not use it, despite the fact I have a  
full enterprise license. Because too many things happen in this  
community that I find *VERY* difficult to accept. I find *VERY*  
difficult to accept the very unpleasant feeling to be right in  
Orwell's fiction, where what is called the ministry of truth is in  
fact the ministry of lies.

Dan's email on Ruby was WOW. Very kindly, as usual, he went to check  
up some very popular resource out there, and came back to tell us  
that it was not worth checking up. Ruby was *far too complex*,  
*nothing useful could be done with it*, *revolution could be used the  
same way Ruby is*. But know that I am *very* uncomfortable with your  
practices within *this* community, where you too often take advantage  
of the credulity of the users.

Richard's email was similarly full of zealotry. For the foreigners on  
this list:
'Zealotry denotes zeal in excess, referring to cases where activism  
and ambition in relation to an ideology have become excessive to the  
point of being harmful to others, oneself, and one's own cause.'  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zealot. For the record if you read what  
he declared to be his favorite book, McConnell, you will see page  
139-142 that an element seen important to produce efficient libraries  
is good encapsulation. What his tutorial recommend is *EXACTLY* the  
opposite. There are ways to achieve good encapsulation with  
revolution, which could be used to design a very powerful library of  
reusable widgets, but I have *NEVER* seen them mentioned by Richard.

I am personally NOT interested in this kind of zealotry and one-sided  
discourse.

I do like revolution, this is an incredible tool, but like many other  
users I am aware of the fact that it presents strengths as well as  
weaknesses and that a few things could be improved. I am not  
interested in not using a product I paid for. What I am interested is  
in becoming a more satisfied customer. My understanding is that  
runrev doesn't want me to stop using their product (at least their  
attitude suggested they wanted me to continue to use them). They are  
themselves aware of a few flaws associated with the choices made over  
the years and claim to have every intention to progressively address  
these flaws in the future. At least, I very much hope so and I very  
much need to be reassured on this pretty soon.... I take the time to  
write this email because the two last emails from the runrev  
executives gave me hope.

If I am right, then the information in this email will be used to act  
in an honourful way. If I am wrong, then, other users deserve to know  
what to expect. I sincerely hope to be right.

Marielle

------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
--------
Marielle Lange (PhD),  Psycholinguist

Alternative emails: mlange at blueyonder.co.uk,

Homepage                                                            
http://homepages.widged.com/mlange/
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lexicall.widged.com/
Supporting Education Technologists              http:// 
revolution.widged.com/wiki/



From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Sun Mar 19 17:24:58 2006
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:24:58 -0800
Subject: Exit Repeat
In-Reply-To: <6F85679B-1E7D-4AC6-9F15-FAE05B764286@maseurope.net>
References: <008201c64b7d$655803e0$0a01a8c0@mobile1>
	<8C819986F052CF2-12D4-8619@FWM-M17.sysops.aol.com>
	<008b01c64b84$550699a0$0a01a8c0@mobile1>
	<E7083B87-C2B3-419B-ADEA-E8492A41D637@maseurope.net>
	<001801c64b86$bb298880$0a01a8c0@mobile1>
	<8E8563FD-08FD-4983-AA1E-2DC01D67C43A@maseurope.net>
	<4FC63902-2357-4564-BAD4-92B488638DDE@maseurope.net>
	<A3D4F67D-F19F-4283-9EE5-FAF30A0CE7C0@mac.com>
	<6F85679B-1E7D-4AC6-9F15-FAE05B764286@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <C66DD268-7050-45F4-8168-8077F2552C89@inspiredlogic.com>


On Mar 19, 2006, at 12:04 PM, Mark Smith wrote:

> Andre, the trouble is that in the case of interrupting a repeat  
> loop, you can't test for whether the escape key is down like you  
> can with control/option/command.
>
> So use control/option/command, of course :)
> But the escape key would be more natural...

This works:

local sGetOut

on mouseUp
   put empty
   put false into sGetOut
   repeat 20000
     wait 0 ticks with messages
     if sGetOut then exit to top
   end repeat
   put "completed"
end mouseUp

on escapeKey
   put true into sGetOut
end escapeKey

Note that the escapeKey message is delivered to the focused control,  
so you can't put it in a button and expect it to work reliably. Put  
the above in the card script, then click anywhere in the card. Some  
time later "completed" will show in the message box. Then click the  
card again and then press the escape key. You won't get the  
"completed" text.

gc


From mark at maseurope.net  Sun Mar 19 17:34:27 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:34:27 +0000
Subject: Exit Repeat
In-Reply-To: <441DD00B.80304@fourthworld.com>
References: <441DD00B.80304@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C1F8E244-2868-4830-9C94-D604EA133C5A@maseurope.net>

On my setup (Mac 10.4.5, Rev 2.7), the keysDown doesn't seem to cover  
the escape key, or any other non-ascii key, unless an ascii key is  
also down...

Mark
On 19 Mar 2006, at 21:41, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Mark Smith wrote:
>> Andre, the trouble is that in the case of interrupting a repeat  
>> loop,  you can't test for whether the escape key is down like you  
>> can with  control/option/command.
>> So use control/option/command, of course :)
>> But the escape key would be more natural...
>
> Check out the entry for the keysDown function in the Transcript  
> Dictionary; I believe that'll get you where you want to go....
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal
>  _______________________________________________________
>  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com
> _______________________________________________
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From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Sun Mar 19 17:37:03 2006
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:37:03 -0800
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <8E51C708-0393-4233-B3AC-B05000871BF2@inspiredlogic.com>
Message-ID: <C0431D0F.19405%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

On 3/19/06 2:12 PM, "Geoff Canyon" <gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com> wrote:

> Checking the first word of each line is (I believe) certain, and is
> still reasonably fast (takes less than twice as long as the filter
> command in informal testing).
> 
> Unfortunately for anyone attempting this task, this is a perfectly
> valid script:
> 
> /* this is a comment
> as is this */on mouseUp
>    answer "yes"
> end mouseUp
> 
> I don't know of a good way around that, so I have ignored it thus
> far ;-)

Here's a way:

on mouseUp
  put removeBlockComments(the script of me)
end mouseUp

/* this is a comment
as is this */function removeBlockComments pText
put pText into tText
put offset("/*",tText) into tOffset
if tOffset > 0 then
  delete char tOffset to tOffset + offset("*/",tText,tOffset) + 1 of tText
  put removeBlockComments(tText) into tText
end if
return tText
end removeBlockComments

-- Dick




From john at debraneys.com  Sun Mar 19 17:49:52 2006
From: john at debraneys.com (John Tregea)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 06:49:52 +0800
Subject: Arrays as custom properties?
In-Reply-To: <E265DA87-87AA-4C4F-B67A-54AA514BA40B@maseurope.net>
References: <C04233BD.361A9%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<441CF97A.7040502@debraneys.com>
	<E265DA87-87AA-4C4F-B67A-54AA514BA40B@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <441DE010.8050604@debraneys.com>

Thanks Mark,

I was hoping to have an array of arrays, but can certainly make it work 
using a range of custompropertysets.

Regards

John

Mark Smith wrote:
> You can simply store an array variable as a customPropertySet:
> set the customProperties["addresses"] of this stack to addressArray
>
> You can then set individual elements of the stored array:
> set the addresses[key] of this stack to someItem
>
> And retrieve the indidvidual elements:
> get the addresses[key] of this stack
>
> or put the whole thing back into an array variable:
> put the customProperties["addresses"] of this stack into addressArray
>
> The thing is that a customPropertySet effecively <is> an array,  and 
> depending on your needs, (accessing a customPropertySet is only 
> slightly slower than accessing an array) may be a better choice than a 
> global/local array variable.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On 19 Mar 2006, at 06:26, John Tregea wrote:
>
>> Thanks Scott,
>>
>> I already have a number of arrays stored in global variables and want 
>> to store each complete array as a custom property of the group. I 
>> realise I could repeat through the structure of the array and 
>> transfer each array element to a corresponding element in the group's 
>> custom property, but hoped to be able to "plonk" the array into the 
>> custom property.
>>
>> I will check my use of the word "the"...
>>
>> -----------------------------------
>>
>> Scott Rossi wrote:
>>> Recently, John Tregea wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I have been looking to see if I can set an array as a custom 
>>>> property of
>>>> a group.
>>>> ... I get an error message on execution that says "bad index 
>>>> expression"
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, you need to define an index for the array.  Perhaps you mean 
>>> something
>>> like this:
>>>
>>>   set the myAccess["password"] of group "A" to gMyAccess
>>>
>>> To retrieve:
>>>
>>>   get the myAccess["password"] of group "A"
>>>
>>> Also, I believe a custom property must always be prefaced by "the".
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Scott Rossi
>>> Creative Director
>>> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
>>> -----
>>> E: scott at tactilemedia.com
>>> W: http://www.tactilemedia.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>>> subscription preferences:
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> subscription preferences:
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>
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From mark at maseurope.net  Sun Mar 19 17:51:28 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:51:28 +0000
Subject: Exit Repeat
In-Reply-To: <C66DD268-7050-45F4-8168-8077F2552C89@inspiredlogic.com>
References: <008201c64b7d$655803e0$0a01a8c0@mobile1>
	<8C819986F052CF2-12D4-8619@FWM-M17.sysops.aol.com>
	<008b01c64b84$550699a0$0a01a8c0@mobile1>
	<E7083B87-C2B3-419B-ADEA-E8492A41D637@maseurope.net>
	<001801c64b86$bb298880$0a01a8c0@mobile1>
	<8E8563FD-08FD-4983-AA1E-2DC01D67C43A@maseurope.net>
	<4FC63902-2357-4564-BAD4-92B488638DDE@maseurope.net>
	<A3D4F67D-F19F-4283-9EE5-FAF30A0CE7C0@mac.com>
	<6F85679B-1E7D-4AC6-9F15-FAE05B764286@maseurope.net>
	<C66DD268-7050-45F4-8168-8077F2552C89@inspiredlogic.com>
Message-ID: <71AF7E80-A0C5-4E52-A599-AC5720EE0643@maseurope.net>

'wait 0 ticks with messages' was the thing - thanks!

So a general (stack-wide) approach might be to use a custom prop in  
the stack:

in a control, card or stack:
on handlerWithRepeatIMightWantToInterrupt
   set the canInterrupt of this stack to true
   repeat forever
     wait 0 ticks with messages
     doRepeatStuff
   end repeat
   set the canInterrupt of this stack to false
   otherStuff
end handlerWithRepeatIMightWantToInterrupt

then in the stack script

on escapeKey
   if the canInterrupt of me then
     set the canInterrupt of me to false
     exit to top
   end if
end escapeKey


Mark

On 19 Mar 2006, at 22:24, Geoff Canyon wrote:

>
> On Mar 19, 2006, at 12:04 PM, Mark Smith wrote:
>
>> Andre, the trouble is that in the case of interrupting a repeat  
>> loop, you can't test for whether the escape key is down like you  
>> can with control/option/command.
>>
>> So use control/option/command, of course :)
>> But the escape key would be more natural...
>
> This works:
>
> local sGetOut
>
> on mouseUp
>   put empty
>   put false into sGetOut
>   repeat 20000
>     wait 0 ticks with messages
>     if sGetOut then exit to top
>   end repeat
>   put "completed"
> end mouseUp
>
> on escapeKey
>   put true into sGetOut
> end escapeKey
>
> Note that the escapeKey message is delivered to the focused  
> control, so you can't put it in a button and expect it to work  
> reliably. Put the above in the card script, then click anywhere in  
> the card. Some time later "completed" will show in the message box.  
> Then click the card again and then press the escape key. You won't  
> get the "completed" text.
>
> gc
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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> subscription preferences:
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From mark at maseurope.net  Sun Mar 19 18:08:06 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 23:08:06 +0000
Subject: Arrays as custom properties?
In-Reply-To: <441DE010.8050604@debraneys.com>
References: <C04233BD.361A9%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<441CF97A.7040502@debraneys.com>
	<E265DA87-87AA-4C4F-B67A-54AA514BA40B@maseurope.net>
	<441DE010.8050604@debraneys.com>
Message-ID: <ABE5468D-6DA8-4F48-BE95-41B3AAF87A01@maseurope.net>

John, it'd be great to have arrays of arrays, but that doesn't seem  
to be something we should hold our breath for.
However, using multiple key arrays, customPropertySets and a writing  
few functions to filter the keys of them can go a long way..

Best,

Mark

On 19 Mar 2006, at 22:49, John Tregea wrote:

> Thanks Mark,
>
> I was hoping to have an array of arrays, but can certainly make it  
> work using a range of custompropertysets.
>
> Regards
>
> John
>
> Mark Smith wrote:
>> You can simply store an array variable as a customPropertySet:
>> set the customProperties["addresses"] of this stack to addressArray
>>
>> You can then set individual elements of the stored array:
>> set the addresses[key] of this stack to someItem
>>
>> And retrieve the indidvidual elements:
>> get the addresses[key] of this stack
>>
>> or put the whole thing back into an array variable:
>> put the customProperties["addresses"] of this stack into addressArray
>>
>> The thing is that a customPropertySet effecively <is> an array,   
>> and depending on your needs, (accessing a customPropertySet is  
>> only slightly slower than accessing an array) may be a better  
>> choice than a global/local array variable.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> On 19 Mar 2006, at 06:26, John Tregea wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Scott,
>>>
>>> I already have a number of arrays stored in global variables and  
>>> want to store each complete array as a custom property of the  
>>> group. I realise I could repeat through the structure of the  
>>> array and transfer each array element to a corresponding element  
>>> in the group's custom property, but hoped to be able to "plonk"  
>>> the array into the custom property.
>>>
>>> I will check my use of the word "the"...
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------
>>>
>>> Scott Rossi wrote:
>>>> Recently, John Tregea wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I have been looking to see if I can set an array as a custom  
>>>>> property of
>>>>> a group.
>>>>> ... I get an error message on execution that says "bad index  
>>>>> expression"
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, you need to define an index for the array.  Perhaps you  
>>>> mean something
>>>> like this:
>>>>
>>>>   set the myAccess["password"] of group "A" to gMyAccess
>>>>
>>>> To retrieve:
>>>>
>>>>   get the myAccess["password"] of group "A"
>>>>
>>>> Also, I believe a custom property must always be prefaced by "the".
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Scott Rossi
>>>> Creative Director
>>>> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
>>>> -----
>>>> E: scott at tactilemedia.com
>>>> W: http://www.tactilemedia.com
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>>> subscription preferences:
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>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> subscription preferences:
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>>
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sun Mar 19 18:27:29 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 15:27:29 -0800
Subject: Arrays as custom properties?
In-Reply-To: <441DE010.8050604@debraneys.com>
References: <C04233BD.361A9%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<441CF97A.7040502@debraneys.com>
	<E265DA87-87AA-4C4F-B67A-54AA514BA40B@maseurope.net>
	<441DE010.8050604@debraneys.com>
Message-ID: <p06230925c04395711bca@[192.168.1.103]>

actually, I use arrays of arrays all the time:

make a text list like this:

key1    <tab>    DATA1  <tab>  etc/
key2    <tab>    DATA2   <tab>  etc/
key3    <tab>    DATA3   <tab>  etc/

set the CustomPropSetName[customPropertyName] of this stack to <textList>

each <textlist> property could be made into an array variable for 
easier use.. from a single custom property. Or you might need lists 
of lists...

The key is to keep each record of data on one line. Use 
URLENCODE/URLDECODE for text or htmltext to flatten big blocks of 
text with paragraphs and styles.

if the data consists only of numbers, there could be comma delimited 
lists inside of the tab delimited lists... yikes!

then there's quotes....


even a single comma delimited list inside a single property can be 
defined as an array inside of an array...





>Thanks Mark,
>
>I was hoping to have an array of arrays, but can certainly make it 
>work using a range of custompropertysets.
>
>Regards
>
>John
>

-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -


From alex at tweedly.net  Sun Mar 19 18:41:57 2006
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 23:41:57 +0000
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <C0431D0F.19405%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
References: <C0431D0F.19405%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
Message-ID: <441DEC45.7040007@tweedly.net>

Dick Kriesel wrote:

>
>Here's a way:
>
>on mouseUp
>  put removeBlockComments(the script of me)
>end mouseUp
>
>/* this is a comment
>as is this */function removeBlockComments pText
>put pText into tText
>put offset("/*",tText) into tOffset
>if tOffset > 0 then
>  delete char tOffset to tOffset + offset("*/",tText,tOffset) + 1 of tText
>  put removeBlockComments(tText) into tText
>end if
>return tText
>end removeBlockComments
>  
>
You should try that script on itself :-)
The "/*" in the first 'offset' line, and the "*/" in the second 'offset' 
line are (incorrectly) recognized as a block comment, with fairly 
disastrous results. I suspect that proper recognition of block comments 
isn't as easy as it might seem - need to handle all forms of string 
delimiter, which themselves may be inside comments.


-- 
Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net



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From chipp at chipp.com  Sun Mar 19 18:57:07 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:57:07 -0600
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>

Yep, I've heard that before, but frankly, for me, I'd rather keep it all 
in one, unless there's a really good reason to separate into multiple 
handlers (as in creating more reusability). I find it much easier to 
debug code I've written this way than hunting through the message path 
for the 15 or so functions/handlers I've written trying to make things 
'more simple.' Just a difference in coding style.

In fact, typically I'll write code procedurally in a longer handler, 
then only break it up if/when I know I need to do part of the same thing 
again. Like most of us, I'd rather not code twice.

Even though, I've got libraries with over 50 handlers/functions.

-Chipp

Mark Wieder wrote:
> Geoff-
> 
> Saturday, March 18, 2006, 1:24:50 PM, you wrote:
> 
> 
>>I've never seen a hundred-line routine that wouldn't be better as
>>five twenty-line routines, each of which could be documented with a
>>line of code. Perhaps even ten ten-line routines.



From chipp at chipp.com  Sun Mar 19 19:11:22 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 18:11:22 -0600
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <4C003C98-91CC-47C3-A7B3-BBF2622CC7B8@lexicall.org>
References: <4C003C98-91CC-47C3-A7B3-BBF2622CC7B8@lexicall.org>
Message-ID: <441DF32A.5060909@chipp.com>

Marielle,

Notwithstanding your earlier private unsolicited (and unresponded to) 
rants to me (and others) on why you hate Revolution, it is obvious you 
like to have the last...oh 1000 words.

Bravo.

-Chipp



From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Sun Mar 19 19:22:10 2006
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 16:22:10 -0800
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <441DEC45.7040007@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <C04335B2.19415%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

On 3/19/06 3:41 PM, "Alex Tweedly" <alex at tweedly.net> wrote:

> You should try that script on itself :-)
> The "/*" in the first 'offset' line, and the "*/" in the second 'offset'
> line are (incorrectly) recognized as a block comment, with fairly
> disastrous results.

I did, and verified that it removed the comment.  I didn't notice that it
also eviscerated the function!  A trivial fix avoids that problem:

on mouseUp
  put removeBlockComments(the script of me)
end mouseUp

/* this is a comment
as is this */function removeBlockComments pText
put pText into tText
put offset("/" & "*",tText) into tOffset
if tOffset > 0 then
  delete char tOffset to tOffset + offset("*" & "/",tText,tOffset) + 1 \
      of tText
  put removeBlockComments(tText) into tText
end if
return tText
end removeBlockComments

> I suspect that proper recognition of block comments
> isn't as easy as it might seem - need to handle all forms of string
> delimiter, which themselves may be inside comments.

Since I don't recognize that need, would you elaborate on it, please?

Thanks for catching my oversight, Alex.

-- Dick




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Mar 19 19:27:26 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 16:27:26 -0800
Subject: ANN: Email Obfuscator
Message-ID: <16715307080.20060319162726@ahsoftware.net>

All-

At Lynn Fredericks' prodding, I created a small stack to generate some
JavaScript to hide email addresses on web sites.

What is this?

Placing your email address online is a sure-fire way to attract spam.

This stack generates some JavaScript code which can be pasted into a
web page to create a clickable link for your email address, but which
is resistant to harvesting by online search robots. Enter your email
address and the text you want displayed on the web page, then click
the "Convert" button. Take the resulting JavaScript code and paste it
onto a web page instead of a "mailto:" link to your email address.

In revOnline in user space "mwieder" or under "Utilities".

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mark at maseurope.net  Sun Mar 19 19:38:55 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 00:38:55 +0000
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <4C003C98-91CC-47C3-A7B3-BBF2622CC7B8@lexicall.org>
References: <4C003C98-91CC-47C3-A7B3-BBF2622CC7B8@lexicall.org>
Message-ID: <D137F7EC-63D5-45B6-969B-55448306C7DD@maseurope.net>

Marielle, I really don't get how anyone thinks that genuine and  
justified criticism of Revolution is somehow not tolerated on this list.


On 19 Mar 2006, at 22:17, Marelle Lange wrote:

>
> What I have seen on this list is that you just want to get rid of  
> the persons who tell you there is a problem... and keep your  
> problem. I am interested in using the excellent product that  
> revolution is. I am not interested to have to accept to deal with  
> problems like the present ones for the months to come for the  
> priviledge to use it.
>

People do almost nothing other than discuss problems on this list -  
some are problems of comprehension or experience, some are problems  
with the docs, some are bugs...they get discussed quite reasonably,  
whatever they are...but then


>> http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2005-December/ 
>> 071769.html
>> Why isn't Rev more popular?
>> Jerry Saperstein runrev at civildiscovery.com
>> Mon Dec 5 20:30:16 CST 2005
>> 	Criticism of Revolution generally apparently is generally
>> disapproved of here. I've seen a number of valid criticisms  
>> dismissed in the
>> same way as yours have been.
>>
>
> And what argument did you use to dismiss her claim... nothing but  
> Innuendo and defamation, something *far too frequent* on this list.
>
>> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user/71131
>> From: Chipp Walters <chipp at ...>
>> Subject: Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?
>> Newsgroups: gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user
>> Date: 2005-12-06 04:59:20 GMT (14 weeks, 5 days, 16 hours and 35  
>> minutes ago)
>> You wouldn't be the Jerry Saperstein of Font Bank fame who was  
>> accussed
>> back in the 90's of stealing clipart intellectual property and  
>> reselling
>> it...would you? If so, how'd that turn out?
>>
>
>
> The fact that you discredited her in this unacceptable ways  
> probably didn't help. She ended up insulting you. I won't insult  
> you. But being in the position Richmond was put or Jerry was put, I  
> understand their reaction. I don't approve it. But I understand how  
> they came to explode. They did it because some not so acceptable  
> means were used to discredit them and there was nothing they could  
> say anymore to have the truth restored. Fortunately for me, it is  
> probably less easy to discredit the person who contributed this to  
> the community:
> http://revolution.widged.com/wiki/tiki-index.php? 
> page=TutorialsTeacherManual
> http://revolution.widged.com/stacks/
> http://codes.widged.com/
>

I just reviewed the Jerry Saperstein thread, and I think the same  
thing I thought at the time : Jerry came on with one of the most  
obvious pieces of transparently provocative trollery I've seen. Her  
assertion was that Revolution was 'unusable for business apps' - a  
term never explained, despite many requests for clarification, and no  
examples of problems she had encountered were ever forthcoming. She  
then insinuated, fairly clearly, that claims made by list members as  
to the fruits of their labours in Revolution were lies. It's not  
surprising she got short shrift.

>
> I am a defender of runrev. And it is BECAUSE I am a defender of  
> runrev that I do take the time to speak out and denounce problems  
> that contribute to keep persons AWAY from this excellent product. I  
> don't know what game you play Chipp, Dan, Richard, but it really  
> looks like you are trying to prevent the members of the non profit  
> community to express their views and describe their needs on this  
> list. Anytime they do, they are discredited.
>

I am a non profit user of Rev...I simply don't understand how Chipp,  
Dan and Richard or anyone else are supposed to be discrediting  
anyone, or preventing anyone from describing their needs.

>
> Dan's email on Ruby was WOW. Very kindly, as usual, he went to  
> check up some very popular resource out there, and came back to  
> tell us that it was not worth checking up. Ruby was *far too  
> complex*, *nothing useful could be done with it*, *revolution could  
> be used the same way Ruby is*. But know that I am *very*  
> uncomfortable with your practices within *this* community, where  
> you too often take advantage of the credulity of the users.
>
"Then I discoverd Ruby on Rails. For me -- and certainly there are
other frameworks out there that others may favor -- no other Web app
development approach comes even close." - Dan Shafer
?????

I'm really in no position to comment on Richmond or Xaviers  
differences with RunRev, so I won't.

Honestly, I'm wondering if you and I are reading the same list!

Baffled,

Mark




From john at debraneys.com  Sun Mar 19 19:42:41 2006
From: john at debraneys.com (john at debraneys.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 00:42:41 +0000
Subject: Arrays as custom properties?
Message-ID: <W151292536818131142815361@webmail9>

Thanks everyone,
I appreciate the assistance... 
That has given me a range of practical approaches to the question. 
Kind regards
John T

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Stephen Barncard [mailto:stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com]
>Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 06:27 PM
>To: 'How to use Revolution'
>Subject: Re: Arrays as custom properties?
>
>actually, I use arrays of arrays all the time:
>
>make a text list like this:
>
>key1 <tab> DATA1 <tab> etc/
>key2 <tab> DATA2 <tab> etc/
>key3 <tab> DATA3 <tab> etc/
>
>set the CustomPropSetName[customPropertyName] of this stack to <textList>
>
>each <textlist> property could be made into an array variable for 
>easier use.. from a single custom property. Or you might need lists 
>of lists...
>
>The key is to keep each record of data on one line. Use 
>URLENCODE/URLDECODE for text or htmltext to flatten big blocks of 
>text with paragraphs and styles.
>
>if the data consists only of numbers, there could be comma delimited 
>lists inside of the tab delimited lists... yikes!
>
>then there's quotes....
>
>
>even a single comma delimited list inside a single property can be 
>defined as an array inside of an array...
>
>
>
>
>
>>Thanks Mark,
>>
>>I was hoping to have an array of arrays, but can certainly make it 
>>work using a range of custompropertysets.
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>John
>>
>
>-- 
>stephen barncard
>s a n f r a n c i s c o
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From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Sun Mar 19 20:12:04 2006
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:12:04 -0800
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <C04335B2.19415%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
References: <C04335B2.19415%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
Message-ID: <4CE09A99-33A5-40A3-9AB4-0A1C36D1501D@inspiredlogic.com>

I feel like the harbinger of doom here (with Alex as my able partner  
in doomsaying) but:

This would still be subject to failure if, anywhere in the script, /*  
or */ appeared _not_ as block comment delimiters, but as part of a  
string.

gc

On Mar 19, 2006, at 4:22 PM, Dick Kriesel wrote:

> On 3/19/06 3:41 PM, "Alex Tweedly" <alex at tweedly.net> wrote:
>
>> You should try that script on itself :-)
>> The "/*" in the first 'offset' line, and the "*/" in the second  
>> 'offset'
>> line are (incorrectly) recognized as a block comment, with fairly
>> disastrous results.
>
> I did, and verified that it removed the comment.  I didn't notice  
> that it
> also eviscerated the function!  A trivial fix avoids that problem:
>
> on mouseUp
>   put removeBlockComments(the script of me)
> end mouseUp
>
> /* this is a comment
> as is this */function removeBlockComments pText
> put pText into tText
> put offset("/" & "*",tText) into tOffset
> if tOffset > 0 then
>   delete char tOffset to tOffset + offset("*" & "/",tText,tOffset)  
> + 1 \
>       of tText
>   put removeBlockComments(tText) into tText
> end if
> return tText
> end removeBlockComments
>
>> I suspect that proper recognition of block comments
>> isn't as easy as it might seem - need to handle all forms of string
>> delimiter, which themselves may be inside comments.
>
> Since I don't recognize that need, would you elaborate on it, please?
>
> Thanks for catching my oversight, Alex.
>
> -- Dick
>
>
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From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Sun Mar 19 20:31:36 2006
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:31:36 -0800
Subject: Search Script
In-Reply-To: <008601c64b96$bb87e1e0$0101a8c0@EMRBUERO>
References: <20060319180009.5726982649C@mail.runrev.com>
	<008601c64b96$bb87e1e0$0101a8c0@EMRBUERO>
Message-ID: <39286EFB-AC8F-4175-A1D1-351342DC96E0@inspiredlogic.com>

The latest version of Navigator at:

http://www.inspiredlogic.com/navigator

can easily search all the scripts in a stack, and return a list of  
references to them for further use.

The command is on the contextual menu, and can be used on a stack, a  
card, a group, or any combination of objects. Select Find>In  
Scripts... to search the selected objects, or Find>In Enclosed  
Scripts... to search the selected objects and all the objects they  
contain.

So if you want to search a stack and everything in it including  
substacks, use Find>In Enclosed Scripts... on the mainstack.

You can also search by a test, which allows you to do things like  
search for every button that is red, or every 16-pixel tall field  
with no script, etc.

regards,

Geoff

On Mar 19, 2006, at 12:50 PM, Ernst M. Reicher wrote:

> oups - aha
> I tried the "built in" some time ago and it worked awfully slow....
> also this seems to be a little bit neglected....
> drag the right border:  there is an unused popup, a "walking  
> circle", a progressbar and a resizeIcon.....
>
> thank you Jacqueline!!!
>
> Regards,
>            Ernst
>
>> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 11:47:52 -0600
>> From: "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
>> Subject: Re: Search Script
>> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>> Message-ID: <441D9948.7020501 at hyperactivesw.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Ernst M. Reicher wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I tried to start discussion about this several times in the past...
>>> but the response was poor....  probably REAL delvelopers store their
>>> scripts in their hypothalamus and don?t need a SearchScript....:-)
>>> ..over the years I found some trials in other "plugins" that  
>>> worked so
>>> and so....
>>
>> There has probably been little response because script searches are
>> built into Revolution. Type Command-F, uncheck all but the "Script"
>> checkbox, and click "Find" to do the search.
>>
>> -- 
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
>
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From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Sun Mar 19 21:01:07 2006
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 18:01:07 -0800
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <4CE09A99-33A5-40A3-9AB4-0A1C36D1501D@inspiredlogic.com>
Message-ID: <C0434CE3.1941E%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

On 3/19/06 5:12 PM, "Geoff Canyon" <gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com> wrote:

> I feel like the harbinger of doom here (with Alex as my able partner
> in doomsaying) but:
> 
> This would still be subject to failure if, anywhere in the script, /*
> or */ appeared _not_ as block comment delimiters, but as part of a
> string.

www.usingenglish.com/reference/idioms/fools+rush+in+where+angels+fear+to+tre
ad.html

Imagine we first remove comments that start with "--" and then start looking
for block comments.  If a "/*" follows an even number of quotes, it starts a
block comment.  If it follows an odd number of quotes, it's embedded in a
string.  After a "/*" starts a block comment, then the next "*/" ends the
comment.  Right?

Or do the angels see even more of the devil in the details?

-- Dick




From mark at maseurope.net  Sun Mar 19 21:38:38 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 02:38:38 +0000
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <C0434CE3.1941E%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
References: <C0434CE3.1941E%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
Message-ID: <DF693D35-5AA6-499C-89B7-8D5A374A4D23@maseurope.net>

Are we trying to establish the existence of a handler or to get the  
text of a handler? And are we including handlers that are commented out?

Mark

On 20 Mar 2006, at 02:01, Dick Kriesel wrote:

> On 3/19/06 5:12 PM, "Geoff Canyon" <gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com> wrote:
>
>> I feel like the harbinger of doom here (with Alex as my able partner
>> in doomsaying) but:
>>
>> This would still be subject to failure if, anywhere in the script, /*
>> or */ appeared _not_ as block comment delimiters, but as part of a
>> string.
>
> www.usingenglish.com/reference/idioms/fools+rush+in+where+angels 
> +fear+to+tre
> ad.html
>
> Imagine we first remove comments that start with "--" and then  
> start looking
> for block comments.  If a "/*" follows an even number of quotes, it  
> starts a
> block comment.  If it follows an odd number of quotes, it's  
> embedded in a
> string.  After a "/*" starts a block comment, then the next "*/"  
> ends the
> comment.  Right?
>
> Or do the angels see even more of the devil in the details?
>
> -- Dick
>
>
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From dave at crystalpiersw.com  Sun Mar 19 21:47:56 2006
From: dave at crystalpiersw.com (Dave Beck)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 23:47:56 -0300
Subject: Standalone crashing
In-Reply-To: <20060319233720.22C31825BEC@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20060320014624.D0892825B23@mail.runrev.com>


I just wanted to let the list know that some of my clients have been
reporting very frequent crashes of a standalone built with Rev 2.6.1.
According to them the standalone is crashing every few MINUTES. The crashes
happen at different times, often but not always when closing windows, and
the Microsoft fatal error "Send error report" dialog is always displayed.

This has just been an issue recently, and only with a few specific clients,
although I do get complaints about less frequent crashes from just about
everybody across the board. This goes back to the discussion about new
features vs. fixing what doesn't work. If Rev wants to be taken seriously as
a professional development environment the standalones need to be stable!!

I love Rev but it is very frustrating to see these problems happen and not
be able to do anything about them because it is a problem in the Rev engine
and not my code. Please concentrate on fixing the stability issues. 

I would switch to 2.7 but in my experience that version is even worse. Let's
try to go forward next time. Personally I could care less about blending.

Thanks for otherwise great product.

Dave

PS. I'm happy to have my clients collect the error logs if it would help.



From wouter.abraham at scarlet.be  Sun Mar 19 22:09:18 2006
From: wouter.abraham at scarlet.be (wouter)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 04:09:18 +0100
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <02338081.20060319125118@ahsoftware.net>
References: <C03F8B1C.36383%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<a06110403c0404ff027be@[192.168.1.104]>
	<1BF42D94-68EC-46A1-8F34-334C5AACCBC6@dsl.pipex.com>
	<134E87F1-7BB2-4AD7-AE32-7E8BBC753053@maseurope.net>
	<87A2ECE9-9F33-43D9-B80A-447139FC71C7@dsl.pipex.com>
	<02338081.20060319125118@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <B24ADA8E-3D65-4A35-9CA7-B2F88B181DAE@scarlet.be>


On 19 Mar 2006, at 21:51, Mark Wieder wrote:

-snip-

> Here's a line I learned from Jerry Daniels:
>
> filter tScript with "[ofsgOFSG][nueNUE][ ntNT]*"

Will also keep lines which start with "set" and "sen" like in:
     set the itemdelimiter to tab
     send "mouseup" to me

or lines which start with a combination of those characters
like in:
    sendSomeCommand paramX
    suntanLotion skincomplex

> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net

Greetings,
Wouter


From pmbrig at comcast.net  Sun Mar 19 22:53:50 2006
From: pmbrig at comcast.net (pmbrig at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 03:53:50 +0000
Subject: Get a handler from a script
Message-ID: <032020060353.25573.441E274D000D170D000063E5220076143809079D0D039F@comcast.net>

I don't know about the complications of block comments, etc, but can't all the complexites of dealing with of handlers, functions, getProp, and setProp be sidestepped by looking for "end" && <handlername> -- or am I missing something? Does that simplify any of the other problems?

Peter M. Brigham


From lynn at paradigmasoft.com  Sun Mar 19 23:10:44 2006
From: lynn at paradigmasoft.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 20:10:44 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <D137F7EC-63D5-45B6-969B-55448306C7DD@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <1069294611-212183330@lindbergh.macserve.net>

Hey gang,

Im not naming names but Im feeling some heat when it's about time I enjoy a
nice Sunday evening with my family - lets leave the past in the past and
kill this thread. If you want to continue on an individual basis on this
topic, then please email each other offlist.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd




From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Sun Mar 19 23:13:59 2006
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 20:13:59 -0800
Subject: Email Obfuscator
In-Reply-To: <16715307080.20060319162726@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <20060320041408.4DFC47F019@spatula.dreamhost.com>

Thanks Mark! There's the man, solving real world problems :-)

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mark Wieder
> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 4:27 PM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: ANN: Email Obfuscator
> 
> All-
> 
> At Lynn Fredericks' prodding, I created a small stack to 
> generate some JavaScript to hide email addresses on web sites.
> 
> What is this?
> 
> Placing your email address online is a sure-fire way to attract spam.
> 
> This stack generates some JavaScript code which can be pasted 
> into a web page to create a clickable link for your email 
> address, but which is resistant to harvesting by online 
> search robots. Enter your email address and the text you want 
> displayed on the web page, then click the "Convert" button. 
> Take the resulting JavaScript code and paste it onto a web 
> page instead of a "mailto:" link to your email address.
> 
> In revOnline in user space "mwieder" or under "Utilities".
> 
> --
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> 
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> your subscription preferences:
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Mar 19 23:52:32 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:52:32 -0600
Subject: Standalone crashing
In-Reply-To: <20060320014624.D0892825B23@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060320014624.D0892825B23@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <441E3510.7050405@hyperactivesw.com>

Dave Beck wrote:

> PS. I'm happy to have my clients collect the error logs if it would help.

It always helps, and sometimes is the only clue as to what the problem 
is. Most of us have found 2.6.1 to be extremely stable, so if you are 
seeing problems, there is likely a reason specific to that particular 
stack. Please do bugzilla it, attach a copy of your stack (not the 
standalone), and every time you get a new log, attach it to the bug 
report. Crashing problems get top priority.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Sun Mar 19 20:08:02 2006
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:08:02 -0800
Subject: Exit Repeat
In-Reply-To: <71AF7E80-A0C5-4E52-A599-AC5720EE0643@maseurope.net>
References: <008201c64b7d$655803e0$0a01a8c0@mobile1>
	<8C819986F052CF2-12D4-8619@FWM-M17.sysops.aol.com>
	<008b01c64b84$550699a0$0a01a8c0@mobile1>
	<E7083B87-C2B3-419B-ADEA-E8492A41D637@maseurope.net>
	<001801c64b86$bb298880$0a01a8c0@mobile1>
	<8E8563FD-08FD-4983-AA1E-2DC01D67C43A@maseurope.net>
	<4FC63902-2357-4564-BAD4-92B488638DDE@maseurope.net>
	<A3D4F67D-F19F-4283-9EE5-FAF30A0CE7C0@mac.com>
	<6F85679B-1E7D-4AC6-9F15-FAE05B764286@maseurope.net>
	<C66DD268-7050-45F4-8168-8077F2552C89@inspiredlogic.com>
	<71AF7E80-A0C5-4E52-A599-AC5720EE0643@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <E37A1C12-3542-4DC3-B4F8-FE3C94560198@inspiredlogic.com>

Close, but I don't think this will work. The exit to top in the  
escapeKey handler will exit that handler, not the  
handlerWithRepeatIMightWantToInterrupt. Instead, set a custom  
property in the escapeKey handler, then check that property in your  
handlerWithRepeatIMightWantToInterrupt handler and exit there if it  
is set. My previous example did something like this with a local  
variable, but a custom property would work as well.

gc

On Mar 19, 2006, at 2:51 PM, Mark Smith wrote:

> 'wait 0 ticks with messages' was the thing - thanks!
>
> So a general (stack-wide) approach might be to use a custom prop in  
> the stack:
>
> in a control, card or stack:
> on handlerWithRepeatIMightWantToInterrupt
>   set the canInterrupt of this stack to true
>   repeat forever
>     wait 0 ticks with messages
>     doRepeatStuff
>   end repeat
>   set the canInterrupt of this stack to false
>   otherStuff
> end handlerWithRepeatIMightWantToInterrupt
>
> then in the stack script
>
> on escapeKey
>   if the canInterrupt of me then
>     set the canInterrupt of me to false
>     exit to top
>   end if
> end escapeKey
>
>
> Mark
>
> On 19 Mar 2006, at 22:24, Geoff Canyon wrote:
>
>>
>> On Mar 19, 2006, at 12:04 PM, Mark Smith wrote:
>>
>>> Andre, the trouble is that in the case of interrupting a repeat  
>>> loop, you can't test for whether the escape key is down like you  
>>> can with control/option/command.
>>>
>>> So use control/option/command, of course :)
>>> But the escape key would be more natural...
>>
>> This works:
>>
>> local sGetOut
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>   put empty
>>   put false into sGetOut
>>   repeat 20000
>>     wait 0 ticks with messages
>>     if sGetOut then exit to top
>>   end repeat
>>   put "completed"
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> on escapeKey
>>   put true into sGetOut
>> end escapeKey
>>
>> Note that the escapeKey message is delivered to the focused  
>> control, so you can't put it in a button and expect it to work  
>> reliably. Put the above in the card script, then click anywhere in  
>> the card. Some time later "completed" will show in the message  
>> box. Then click the card again and then press the escape key. You  
>> won't get the "completed" text.
>>
>> gc
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 20 00:48:38 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:48:38 -0800
Subject: ANN: Email Obfuscator
In-Reply-To: <16715307080.20060319162726@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <C0438236.36575%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Thanks for the great snippet.
One of my clients will be thrilled Monday when he sees it!

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 3/19/06 4:27 PM, "Mark Wieder" <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> All-
> 
> At Lynn Fredericks' prodding, I created a small stack to generate some
> JavaScript to hide email addresses on web sites.
> 
> What is this?
> 
> Placing your email address online is a sure-fire way to attract spam.
> 
> This stack generates some JavaScript code which can be pasted into a
> web page to create a clickable link for your email address, but which
> is resistant to harvesting by online search robots. Enter your email
> address and the text you want displayed on the web page, then click
> the "Convert" button. Take the resulting JavaScript code and paste it
> onto a web page instead of a "mailto:" link to your email address.
> 
> In revOnline in user space "mwieder" or under "Utilities".




From mark at maseurope.net  Mon Mar 20 04:08:40 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 09:08:40 +0000
Subject: Exit Repeat
In-Reply-To: <E37A1C12-3542-4DC3-B4F8-FE3C94560198@inspiredlogic.com>
References: <008201c64b7d$655803e0$0a01a8c0@mobile1>
	<8C819986F052CF2-12D4-8619@FWM-M17.sysops.aol.com>
	<008b01c64b84$550699a0$0a01a8c0@mobile1>
	<E7083B87-C2B3-419B-ADEA-E8492A41D637@maseurope.net>
	<001801c64b86$bb298880$0a01a8c0@mobile1>
	<8E8563FD-08FD-4983-AA1E-2DC01D67C43A@maseurope.net>
	<4FC63902-2357-4564-BAD4-92B488638DDE@maseurope.net>
	<A3D4F67D-F19F-4283-9EE5-FAF30A0CE7C0@mac.com>
	<6F85679B-1E7D-4AC6-9F15-FAE05B764286@maseurope.net>
	<C66DD268-7050-45F4-8168-8077F2552C89@inspiredlogic.com>
	<71AF7E80-A0C5-4E52-A599-AC5720EE0643@maseurope.net>
	<E37A1C12-3542-4DC3-B4F8-FE3C94560198@inspiredlogic.com>
Message-ID: <A6D44551-58B1-4804-A13A-1EADAA6E6A2C@maseurope.net>

In fact, I tested this, and it works. Though it'd still be cleaner,  
somehow, to be able to test for the exit condition within the loop.

Mark

On 20 Mar 2006, at 01:08, Geoff Canyon wrote:

> Close, but I don't think this will work. The exit to top in the  
> escapeKey handler will exit that handler, not the  
> handlerWithRepeatIMightWantToInterrupt. Instead, set a custom  
> property in the escapeKey handler, then check that property in your  
> handlerWithRepeatIMightWantToInterrupt handler and exit there if it  
> is set. My previous example did something like this with a local  
> variable, but a custom property would work as well.
>
> gc
>
> On Mar 19, 2006, at 2:51 PM, Mark Smith wrote:
>
>> 'wait 0 ticks with messages' was the thing - thanks!
>>
>> So a general (stack-wide) approach might be to use a custom prop  
>> in the stack:
>>
>> in a control, card or stack:
>> on handlerWithRepeatIMightWantToInterrupt
>>   set the canInterrupt of this stack to true
>>   repeat forever
>>     wait 0 ticks with messages
>>     doRepeatStuff
>>   end repeat
>>   set the canInterrupt of this stack to false
>>   otherStuff
>> end handlerWithRepeatIMightWantToInterrupt
>>
>> then in the stack script
>>
>> on escapeKey
>>   if the canInterrupt of me then
>>     set the canInterrupt of me to false
>>     exit to top
>>   end if
>> end escapeKey
>>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On 19 Mar 2006, at 22:24, Geoff Canyon wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 19, 2006, at 12:04 PM, Mark Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>> Andre, the trouble is that in the case of interrupting a repeat  
>>>> loop, you can't test for whether the escape key is down like you  
>>>> can with control/option/command.
>>>>
>>>> So use control/option/command, of course :)
>>>> But the escape key would be more natural...
>>>
>>> This works:
>>>
>>> local sGetOut
>>>
>>> on mouseUp
>>>   put empty
>>>   put false into sGetOut
>>>   repeat 20000
>>>     wait 0 ticks with messages
>>>     if sGetOut then exit to top
>>>   end repeat
>>>   put "completed"
>>> end mouseUp
>>>
>>> on escapeKey
>>>   put true into sGetOut
>>> end escapeKey
>>>
>>> Note that the escapeKey message is delivered to the focused  
>>> control, so you can't put it in a button and expect it to work  
>>> reliably. Put the above in the card script, then click anywhere  
>>> in the card. Some time later "completed" will show in the message  
>>> box. Then click the card again and then press the escape key. You  
>>> won't get the "completed" text.
>>>
>>> gc
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>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From mark at maseurope.net  Mon Mar 20 04:16:40 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 09:16:40 +0000
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <032020060353.25573.441E274D000D170D000063E5220076143809079D0D039F@comcast.net>
References: <032020060353.25573.441E274D000D170D000063E5220076143809079D0D039F@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <112E4BA6-F5A5-45D7-BE24-6AAEC9B2E26B@maseurope.net>

I don't think so -- the same problems with strangely placed block  
comments apply, and you'll still have to establish whether the  
handler name (with or without on, function, getprop, setprop and end)  
occurs as part of a comment, or as a recursive call to itself....

Mark


On 20 Mar 2006, at 03:53, pmbrig at comcast.net wrote:

> I don't know about the complications of block comments, etc, but  
> can't all the complexites of dealing with of handlers, functions,  
> getProp, and setProp be sidestepped by looking for "end" &&  
> <handlername> -- or am I missing something? Does that simplify any  
> of the other problems?
>
> Peter M. Brigham
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From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Mon Mar 20 04:23:37 2006
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 01:23:37 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>

Out of curiosity, do you have an example handy of a long handler that  
you think makes more sense to keep together than to break up? Or one  
that you think can't be broken up without significant effort to do it?

When you think of a long handler, do you generally think of it as  
having a single identifiable task, or do you think of it as being  
several tasks performed in sequence in one handler?

Obviously it's possible that you simply think in bigger chunks ;-)

On Mar 19, 2006, at 3:57 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Yep, I've heard that before, but frankly, for me, I'd rather keep  
> it all in one, unless there's a really good reason to separate into  
> multiple handlers (as in creating more reusability). I find it much  
> easier to debug code I've written this way than hunting through the  
> message path for the 15 or so functions/handlers I've written  
> trying to make things 'more simple.' Just a difference in coding  
> style.
>
> In fact, typically I'll write code procedurally in a longer  
> handler, then only break it up if/when I know I need to do part of  
> the same thing again. Like most of us, I'd rather not code twice.
>
> Even though, I've got libraries with over 50 handlers/functions.
>
> -Chipp
>
> Mark Wieder wrote:
>> Geoff-
>> Saturday, March 18, 2006, 1:24:50 PM, you wrote:
>>> I've never seen a hundred-line routine that wouldn't be better as
>>> five twenty-line routines, each of which could be documented with a
>>> line of code. Perhaps even ten ten-line routines.



From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Mon Mar 20 04:24:52 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 01:24:52 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <1069294611-212183330@lindbergh.macserve.net>
References: <1069294611-212183330@lindbergh.macserve.net>
Message-ID: <p06230927c044253118a5@[192.168.1.103]>

Are you the new listmom?

sqb

>Hey gang,
>
>Im not naming names but Im feeling some heat when it's about time I enjoy a
>nice Sunday evening with my family - lets leave the past in the past and
>kill this thread. If you want to continue on an individual basis on this
>topic, then please email each other offlist.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Lynn Fredricks
>Worldwide Business Operations
>Runtime Revolution, Ltd

-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -


From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Mar 20 04:38:39 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 03:38:39 -0600
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
Message-ID: <441E781F.5000907@chipp.com>

Hi Geoff,

One does come to mind, it's the startup handler(s) of my splash stack, 
and they are broken down serially into 7 or 8 different handlers, each 
numbered sequentially with a handler name.

And because I want to be able to read them one after the other, I ended 
up programming them serially. Some were as long as 50-60 lines, others 
shorter. Because they form the code of virtually all of my applications, 
I wanted them to be very easily read, and updated.

This worked for me. May not have for you, I don't know. I doubt my brain 
can grasp thinking in bigger chunks..it's working overtime as it is!

-Chipp

Geoff Canyon wrote:
> Out of curiosity, do you have an example handy of a long handler that  
> you think makes more sense to keep together than to break up? Or one  
> that you think can't be broken up without significant effort to do it?
> 
> When you think of a long handler, do you generally think of it as  
> having a single identifiable task, or do you think of it as being  
> several tasks performed in sequence in one handler?



From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Mon Mar 20 04:40:39 2006
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 01:40:39 -0800
Subject: Exit Repeat
In-Reply-To: <A6D44551-58B1-4804-A13A-1EADAA6E6A2C@maseurope.net>
References: <008201c64b7d$655803e0$0a01a8c0@mobile1>
	<8C819986F052CF2-12D4-8619@FWM-M17.sysops.aol.com>
	<008b01c64b84$550699a0$0a01a8c0@mobile1>
	<E7083B87-C2B3-419B-ADEA-E8492A41D637@maseurope.net>
	<001801c64b86$bb298880$0a01a8c0@mobile1>
	<8E8563FD-08FD-4983-AA1E-2DC01D67C43A@maseurope.net>
	<4FC63902-2357-4564-BAD4-92B488638DDE@maseurope.net>
	<A3D4F67D-F19F-4283-9EE5-FAF30A0CE7C0@mac.com>
	<6F85679B-1E7D-4AC6-9F15-FAE05B764286@maseurope.net>
	<C66DD268-7050-45F4-8168-8077F2552C89@inspiredlogic.com>
	<71AF7E80-A0C5-4E52-A599-AC5720EE0643@maseurope.net>
	<E37A1C12-3542-4DC3-B4F8-FE3C94560198@inspiredlogic.com>
	<A6D44551-58B1-4804-A13A-1EADAA6E6A2C@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <3ECCB9A4-5960-494A-9F4A-97B03D410823@inspiredlogic.com>


On Mar 20, 2006, at 1:08 AM, Mark Smith wrote:

> In fact, I tested this, and it works. Though it'd still be cleaner,  
> somehow, to be able to test for the exit condition within the loop.

Wow, you are so correct. I had thought exit to top would exit the  
handler it is in and all handlers in the calling chain, but that the  
handler with the wait 0 ticks with messages in it would not be part  
of that chain. Obviously it is. Does anyone remember what the  
property containing the callstack is offhand to check this?

That makes for a very nice solution I have to say.

gc


From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Mar 20 04:44:56 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 03:44:56 -0600
Subject: Exit Repeat
In-Reply-To: <3ECCB9A4-5960-494A-9F4A-97B03D410823@inspiredlogic.com>
References: <008201c64b7d$655803e0$0a01a8c0@mobile1>	<8C819986F052CF2-12D4-8619@FWM-M17.sysops.aol.com>	<008b01c64b84$550699a0$0a01a8c0@mobile1>	<E7083B87-C2B3-419B-ADEA-E8492A41D637@maseurope.net>	<001801c64b86$bb298880$0a01a8c0@mobile1>	<8E8563FD-08FD-4983-AA1E-2DC01D67C43A@maseurope.net>	<4FC63902-2357-4564-BAD4-92B488638DDE@maseurope.net>	<A3D4F67D-F19F-4283-9EE5-FAF30A0CE7C0@mac.com>	<6F85679B-1E7D-4AC6-9F15-FAE05B764286@maseurope.net>	<C66DD268-7050-45F4-8168-8077F2552C89@inspiredlogic.com>	<71AF7E80-A0C5-4E52-A599-AC5720EE0643@maseurope.net>	<E37A1C12-3542-4DC3-B4F8-FE3C94560198@inspiredlogic.com>	<A6D44551-58B1-4804-A13A-1EADAA6E6A2C@maseurope.net>
	<3ECCB9A4-5960-494A-9F4A-97B03D410823@inspiredlogic.com>
Message-ID: <441E7998.7080804@chipp.com>



Geoff Canyon wrote:
> Does anyone remember what the  property 
> containing the callstack is offhand to check this?

put the executioncontexts()

(i think!)

-c



From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Mar 20 04:47:26 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 03:47:26 -0600
Subject: Exit Repeat
In-Reply-To: <441E7998.7080804@chipp.com>
References: <008201c64b7d$655803e0$0a01a8c0@mobile1>	<8C819986F052CF2-12D4-8619@FWM-M17.sysops.aol.com>	<008b01c64b84$550699a0$0a01a8c0@mobile1>	<E7083B87-C2B3-419B-ADEA-E8492A41D637@maseurope.net>	<001801c64b86$bb298880$0a01a8c0@mobile1>	<8E8563FD-08FD-4983-AA1E-2DC01D67C43A@maseurope.net>	<4FC63902-2357-4564-BAD4-92B488638DDE@maseurope.net>	<A3D4F67D-F19F-4283-9EE5-FAF30A0CE7C0@mac.com>	<6F85679B-1E7D-4AC6-9F15-FAE05B764286@maseurope.net>	<C66DD268-7050-45F4-8168-8077F2552C89@inspiredlogic.com>	<71AF7E80-A0C5-4E52-A599-AC5720EE0643@maseurope.net>	<E37A1C12-3542-4DC3-B4F8-FE3C94560198@inspiredlogic.com>	<A6D44551-58B1-4804-A13A-1EADAA6E6A2C@maseurope.net>	<3ECCB9A4-5960-494A-9F4A-97B03D410823@inspiredlogic.com>
	<441E7998.7080804@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <441E7A2E.7030509@chipp.com>

OOPS.. I mean
put the executioncontexts

(no parens)





From wouter.abraham at scarlet.be  Mon Mar 20 04:50:42 2006
From: wouter.abraham at scarlet.be (Wouter)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 10:50:42 +0100
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <4CE09A99-33A5-40A3-9AB4-0A1C36D1501D@inspiredlogic.com>
References: <C04335B2.19415%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
	<4CE09A99-33A5-40A3-9AB4-0A1C36D1501D@inspiredlogic.com>
Message-ID: <0C111DBC-66DC-4261-B470-3D23D7C2E4AE@scarlet.be>


On 20 Mar 2006, at 02:12, Geoff Canyon wrote:

> I feel like the harbinger of doom here (with Alex as my able  
> partner in doomsaying) but:
>
> This would still be subject to failure if, anywhere in the script, / 
> * or */ appeared _not_ as block comment delimiters, but as part of  
> a string.
>
> gc
>

-snip-

and what about this first draft ?:

on mouseUp
   put removeBlockComments(the script of me) into fld 1
end mouseUp

/* this is a comment
#as is this */function removeBlockComments pText   --toggle the #
put true into tFlag
repeat for each line i in pText
   if char 1 to 2 of word 1 of i = "/*"  then
     put false into tFlag
   end if
   if tFlag and token 1 of i is among the items of  
"on,function,setprop,getprop" then put  i & cr after tList
   else if tFlag = false then
     if char 1 of word 1 of i is "#" and "*/" is in i then
       put true into tFlag
       get  "/*" &i
       if tFlag and token 1 of it is among the items of  
"on,function,setprop,getprop" then
         put token 1 to -1 of  it & cr after tList
         next repeat
       end if
     end if
     repeat for each token j in i
       if j is "*/"  then
         put true into tFlag
         get  "/*" &i
         if tFlag and token 1 of it is among the items of  
"on,function,setprop,getprop" then
           put token 1 to -1 of  it & cr after tList
           exit repeat
         end if
       end if
     end repeat
   end if
end repeat
return tList
end removeBlockComments

greetings,
Wouter


From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Mon Mar 20 06:57:46 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:57:46 +0000
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <DF693D35-5AA6-499C-89B7-8D5A374A4D23@maseurope.net>
References: <C0434CE3.1941E%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
	<DF693D35-5AA6-499C-89B7-8D5A374A4D23@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <73A3079D-BB40-42F3-B561-70F6C1FAF762@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

I think the original poster wanted to copy a function/handler from  
one Script to another. I was taking the more general case of wanting  
to know if a function/handler is defined in a script so it can be  
called and not cause an error if it is not defined.

All the Best
Dave

On 20 Mar 2006, at 02:38, Mark Smith wrote:

> Are we trying to establish the existence of a handler or to get the  
> text of a handler? And are we including handlers that are commented  
> out?
>
> Mark
>
> On 20 Mar 2006, at 02:01, Dick Kriesel wrote:
>
>> On 3/19/06 5:12 PM, "Geoff Canyon" <gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I feel like the harbinger of doom here (with Alex as my able partner
>>> in doomsaying) but:
>>>
>>> This would still be subject to failure if, anywhere in the  
>>> script, /*
>>> or */ appeared _not_ as block comment delimiters, but as part of a
>>> string.
>>
>> www.usingenglish.com/reference/idioms/fools+rush+in+where+angels 
>> +fear+to+tre
>> ad.html
>>
>> Imagine we first remove comments that start with "--" and then  
>> start looking
>> for block comments.  If a "/*" follows an even number of quotes,  
>> it starts a
>> block comment.  If it follows an odd number of quotes, it's  
>> embedded in a
>> string.  After a "/*" starts a block comment, then the next "*/"  
>> ends the
>> comment.  Right?
>>
>> Or do the angels see even more of the devil in the details?
>>
>> -- Dick
>>
>>
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From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Mon Mar 20 07:24:05 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:24:05 +0000
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <4CE09A99-33A5-40A3-9AB4-0A1C36D1501D@inspiredlogic.com>
References: <C04335B2.19415%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
	<4CE09A99-33A5-40A3-9AB4-0A1C36D1501D@inspiredlogic.com>
Message-ID: <0CF278A9-C418-44AD-B773-4B6BBEE0D0A3@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

Yes, this really is the problem. In order to parse and identify a  
function/handler 100% correctly you need to do most (if not all) of  
the work of the TranScript Parser in the Script Compiler. In the past  
I've written any number of language parsers and I know it is non- 
trivial to get it 100% right. The best solution IMO would be to add  
code to RunRev that allows the script to find out if a handler/ 
function is defined or not. One way would be to add a function that  
checks for the existence of a hanlder/function  (without looking at  
the text of the script), another would be to hold an array of  
functions/handlers as a property of the Object. For instance if the  
script compiler built two arrays and stored them as a property of the  
object:

functionArray["FuncrtionName"] = StartLine,EndLine
handlerArray["HandlerName"] = StartLine,EndLine

Where StartLine is the line number in the script that contains  the  
"on" or "function" text.
Where LineLine is the line number is the script that contains  the  
"end" text.

I should imagine it is possible to parse the script and get it 100%  
correct using TranScript, but:

1.  It is likely to be quite a bit of work to code/test.
2.  If the underlying script syntax is changed it could break.
3.  It is likely be very slow and impact performance badly unless you  
are very careful about how/when it was used. One way would be to run  
some code at preOpenStack time that scanned through the scripts of  
objects in the stack and built the arrays described above.

I was quite shocked when I discovered that the ability to check for  
the existence of a function/handler was not actually built into to  
RunRev when so much other information about objects is present.

All the Best
Dave

On 20 Mar 2006, at 01:12, Geoff Canyon wrote:

> I feel like the harbinger of doom here (with Alex as my able  
> partner in doomsaying) but:
>
> This would still be subject to failure if, anywhere in the script, / 
> * or */ appeared _not_ as block comment delimiters, but as part of  
> a string.
>
> gc
>
> On Mar 19, 2006, at 4:22 PM, Dick Kriesel wrote:
>
>> On 3/19/06 3:41 PM, "Alex Tweedly" <alex at tweedly.net> wrote:
>>
>>> You should try that script on itself :-)
>>> The "/*" in the first 'offset' line, and the "*/" in the second  
>>> 'offset'
>>> line are (incorrectly) recognized as a block comment, with fairly
>>> disastrous results.
>>
>> I did, and verified that it removed the comment.  I didn't notice  
>> that it
>> also eviscerated the function!  A trivial fix avoids that problem:
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>   put removeBlockComments(the script of me)
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> /* this is a comment
>> as is this */function removeBlockComments pText
>> put pText into tText
>> put offset("/" & "*",tText) into tOffset
>> if tOffset > 0 then
>>   delete char tOffset to tOffset + offset("*" & "/",tText,tOffset)  
>> + 1 \
>>       of tText
>>   put removeBlockComments(tText) into tText
>> end if
>> return tText
>> end removeBlockComments
>>
>>> I suspect that proper recognition of block comments
>>> isn't as easy as it might seem - need to handle all forms of string
>>> delimiter, which themselves may be inside comments.
>>
>> Since I don't recognize that need, would you elaborate on it, please?
>>
>> Thanks for catching my oversight, Alex.
>>
>> -- Dick
>>
>>
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Mar 20 07:29:54 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:29:54 +1000
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>
	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>
	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net> <441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603200429u51ddbf5bmf6f9d852bcd0e14@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/20/06, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com> wrote:
> Out of curiosity, do you have an example handy of a long handler that
> you think makes more sense to keep together than to break up? Or one
> that you think can't be broken up without significant effort to do it?
>
> When you think of a long handler, do you generally think of it as
> having a single identifiable task, or do you think of it as being
> several tasks performed in sequence in one handler?
>
> Obviously it's possible that you simply think in bigger chunks ;-)

In my experience, it's probably due to never passing values by
reference. If I am working on a routine that generates multiple
variables, then acts on them, it is easier to keep it all together
than to try and transfer more than one variable back & forth between
handlers & functions.

A separate function is great if it only has to return one variable,
but as soon as it acts on more than one, I find it easier to leave
that code as part of the main handler.

Of course, if a segment of code is used by more than one handler, it's
worth the effort to split it out, but otherwise, I'm not too fussed
about keeping handlers small. Good commenting can overcome any
problems interpreting it later :-)

Sarah


From mb.ur at harbourhost.co.uk  Mon Mar 20 07:50:55 2006
From: mb.ur at harbourhost.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:50:55 +0000
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <0CF278A9-C418-44AD-B773-4B6BBEE0D0A3@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <C04335B2.19415%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
	<4CE09A99-33A5-40A3-9AB4-0A1C36D1501D@inspiredlogic.com>
	<0CF278A9-C418-44AD-B773-4B6BBEE0D0A3@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <441EA52F.9070101@harbourhost.co.uk>

David Burgun wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Yes, this really is the problem. In order to parse and identify a 
> function/handler 100% correctly you need to do most (if not all) of the 
> work of the TranScript Parser in the Script Compiler. In the past I've 
> written any number of language parsers and I know it is non-trivial to 
> get it 100% right. The best solution IMO would be to add code to RunRev 
> that allows the script to find out if a handler/function is defined or 
> not. One way would be to add a function that checks for the existence of 
> a hanlder/function  (without looking at the text of the script), another 
> would be to hold an array of functions/handlers as a property of the 
> Object.

Back in my Hypercard days I had a large project that included a script 
locator handler. I bypassed all of the issues of parsing for actual 
handlers by adding metadata as comments in a consistent format at the 
top of each handler. This was then very simple to extract.

Just food for thought.

Martin Baxter


From darkshadow1 at metrocast.net  Mon Mar 20 08:14:49 2006
From: darkshadow1 at metrocast.net (Preston Shea)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 08:14:49 -0500
Subject: Built in Search
Message-ID: <000b01c64c20$44b5d6f0$6401a8c0@toshibauser>

How does one refer to the results window of RR's built-in search tool (e.g. put it's contents into a window in a different stack)? Thanks.

From wouter.abraham at scarlet.be  Mon Mar 20 08:19:35 2006
From: wouter.abraham at scarlet.be (Wouter)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:19:35 +0100
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <0C111DBC-66DC-4261-B470-3D23D7C2E4AE@scarlet.be>
References: <C04335B2.19415%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
	<4CE09A99-33A5-40A3-9AB4-0A1C36D1501D@inspiredlogic.com>
	<0C111DBC-66DC-4261-B470-3D23D7C2E4AE@scarlet.be>
Message-ID: <607CE589-84C5-4CEC-B0B8-11FFA82E209D@scarlet.be>

A little update.
And beware of the mail wraps

On 20 Mar 2006, at 10:50, Wouter wrote:

-snip-

> /* this is a comment
> #as is this */function removeBlockComments pText   --toggle the #
> put true into tFlag
> repeat for each line i in pText
>   if char 1 to 2 of word 1 of i = "/*"  then
>     put false into tFlag
>   end if
if tFlag and token 1 of i is among the items of  
"on,function,setprop,getprop" then put token 1 to -1 of  i & cr after  
tList
>
>   else if tFlag = false then
>     if char 1 of word 1 of i is "#" and "*/" is in i then
>       put true into tFlag
>       get  "/*" &i
>       if tFlag and token 1 of it is among the items of  
> "on,function,setprop,getprop" then
>         put token 1 to -1 of  it & cr after tList
>         next repeat
>       end if
>     end if
>     repeat for each token j in i
>       if j is "*/"  then
>         put true into tFlag
>         get  "/*" &i
>         if tFlag and token 1 of it is among the items of  
> "on,function,setprop,getprop" then
>           put token 1 to -1 of  it & cr after tList
>           exit repeat
>         end if
>       end if
>     end repeat
>   end if
> end repeat
> return tList
> end removeBlockComments


Greetings,
Wouter




From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Mon Mar 20 10:34:12 2006
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 07:34:12 -0800
Subject: Exit Repeat
In-Reply-To: <441E7A2E.7030509@chipp.com>
References: <008201c64b7d$655803e0$0a01a8c0@mobile1>	<8C819986F052CF2-12D4-8619@FWM-M17.sysops.aol.com>	<008b01c64b84$550699a0$0a01a8c0@mobile1>	<E7083B87-C2B3-419B-ADEA-E8492A41D637@maseurope.net>	<001801c64b86$bb298880$0a01a8c0@mobile1>	<8E8563FD-08FD-4983-AA1E-2DC01D67C43A@maseurope.net>	<4FC63902-2357-4564-BAD4-92B488638DDE@maseurope.net>	<A3D4F67D-F19F-4283-9EE5-FAF30A0CE7C0@mac.com>	<6F85679B-1E7D-4AC6-9F15-FAE05B764286@maseurope.net>	<C66DD268-7050-45F4-8168-8077F2552C89@inspiredlogic.com>	<71AF7E80-A0C5-4E52-A599-AC5720EE0643@maseurope.net>	<E37A1C12-3542-4DC3-B4F8-FE3C94560198@inspiredlogic.com>	<A6D44551-58B1-4804-A13A-1EADAA6E6A2C@maseurope.net>	<3ECCB9A4-5960-494A-9F4A-97B03D410823@inspiredlogic.com>
	<441E7998.7080804@chipp.com> <441E7A2E.7030509@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <95A78E18-ED58-40E0-9F09-47E88B2AE10D@inspiredlogic.com>


On Mar 20, 2006, at 1:47 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> put the executioncontexts

Thanks, Chipp! Now we have a puzzle (I think)

I have a button with this script:

on mouseUp
   set the canInterrupt of this stack to true
   repeat with i = 1 to 1000
     wait 0 ticks with messages
     put i
   end repeat
   set the canInterrupt of this stack to false
end mouseUp

The stack has this script:

on escapeKey
   if the canInterrupt of me then
     put the executioncontexts
     set the canInterrupt of me to false
     exit to top
   end if
end escapeKey

These are both copied from Mark Smith's example. Clicking the button  
starts counting up in the message box. Pressing the escape key stops  
the counting and puts this:

stack "Navigator",escapeKey,4

Note that the script of the button is not listed. I think that is  
correct, because the escapeKey message was generated from the key  
being pressed -- the fact that the mouseUp handler had to yield time  
to let it happen is irrelevant.

The documentation says about exit to top:

      Halts the current handler and all pending handlers.

I checked to be sure, and send...in messages are not terminated. The  
documentation goes on to make this clearer by saying:

      If the current handler was called from another handler, the  
calling handler
      is also halted. Other messages that depend on the same action  
are also
      suppressed: for example, if an exit to top control structure is  
executed in
      a closeCard handler, the corresponding openCard message is not  
sent to the
      destination card.

I _guess_ that could be construed to apply in this case, but I think  
the docs should be explicit. Frankly, this behavior seems backward to  
me. What does everyone (anyone) else think?

Although it is convenient in this case, it seems wrong to me that  
exit to top in the escapeKey handler above also terminates the  
mouseUp message.

gc




From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Mon Mar 20 10:39:04 2006
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 07:39:04 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <441E781F.5000907@chipp.com>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<441E781F.5000907@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <1C52A144-9261-4199-807A-F96AA4FA4269@inspiredlogic.com>

This sounds like a bunch of small handlers masquerading as a large  
handler ;-)

Nothing wrong with that, I just think it means that you're really on  
my side of the big/small question, except that you don't like the  
surplus of handler names it leads to. I can certainly agree with  
that. Every time I've ever advocated small routines, I've mentioned  
as one of the caveats that you end up with that many more handlers to  
keep track of. As you say, if the task is never called separately,  
and you break it out within the larger handler, and you document it,  
it's not that big a deal. I'd argue that if you've done all that you  
might as well break it out as a separate routine, but I think we've  
reached the pot-ay-tos, pot-ah-tos stage of the discussion.

gc

On Mar 20, 2006, at 1:38 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Hi Geoff,
>
> One does come to mind, it's the startup handler(s) of my splash  
> stack, and they are broken down serially into 7 or 8 different  
> handlers, each numbered sequentially with a handler name.
>
> And because I want to be able to read them one after the other, I  
> ended up programming them serially. Some were as long as 50-60  
> lines, others shorter. Because they form the code of virtually all  
> of my applications, I wanted them to be very easily read, and updated.
>
> This worked for me. May not have for you, I don't know. I doubt my  
> brain can grasp thinking in bigger chunks..it's working overtime as  
> it is!
>
> -Chipp
>
> Geoff Canyon wrote:
>> Out of curiosity, do you have an example handy of a long handler  
>> that  you think makes more sense to keep together than to break  
>> up? Or one  that you think can't be broken up without significant  
>> effort to do it?
>> When you think of a long handler, do you generally think of it as   
>> having a single identifiable task, or do you think of it as being   
>> several tasks performed in sequence in one handler?


From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Mon Mar 20 10:42:33 2006
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 07:42:33 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860603200429u51ddbf5bmf6f9d852bcd0e14@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>
	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>
	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<f99b52860603200429u51ddbf5bmf6f9d852bcd0e14@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F166CD1C-6FA5-4570-A8F4-01605044FE4F@inspiredlogic.com>

Do you have an example? I agree that if you end up passing in a  
handful of arguments by reference, you haven't accomplished much by  
breaking out the routine. The question is if there isn't a better way  
to slice the routine, where that wouldn't be necessary.

On Mar 20, 2006, at 4:29 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> In my experience, it's probably due to never passing values by
> reference. If I am working on a routine that generates multiple
> variables, then acts on them, it is easier to keep it all together
> than to try and transfer more than one variable back & forth between
> handlers & functions.
>
> A separate function is great if it only has to return one variable,
> but as soon as it acts on more than one, I find it easier to leave
> that code as part of the main handler.
>
> Of course, if a segment of code is used by more than one handler, it's
> worth the effort to split it out, but otherwise, I'm not too fussed
> about keeping handlers small. Good commenting can overcome any
> problems interpreting it later :-)



From rcozens at pon.net  Mon Mar 20 11:03:27 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 08:03:27 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860603200429u51ddbf5bmf6f9d852bcd0e14@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>
	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>
	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<f99b52860603200429u51ddbf5bmf6f9d852bcd0e14@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <118F8A6C-B82B-11DA-B811-0030657E1638@pon.net>


G'day Sarah,

> In my experience, it's probably due to never passing values by
> reference.

I'm curious as to why you eschew passing by reference.

If one needs to pass large variables, why incur the overhead of 
duplicating the value of the variable before passing it?  And if a 
variable value needed at one level is derived from a routine nested 
several calls deep, simply passing the variable by reference through 
the nested calls is the simplest way to get the value back to the 
original caller.

Case in point:

An SDB record can be as large as the maximum amount of text one field 
can contain.  If the syntax of the record retrieval command were 
"getSDBRecord sdbBuffer,..." instead of "getSDBRecord @sdbBuffer,...", 
the command would have to create its own record buffer variable and 
then return a result which is copied into some other variable.  By 
passing by reference, the two handlers (or as many handlers as needed) 
can work on a single copy of the data.

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From rcozens at pon.net  Mon Mar 20 11:03:37 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 08:03:37 -0800
Subject: Capslockkey function
In-Reply-To: <014701c64b8f$45d01870$0300000a@makabre>
References: <17B2F545-277B-464C-8D2E-D130687B3DBE@lexicall.org>
	<003801c64b65$40ffe4d0$0300000a@makabre>
	<F60AC95D-01A7-4091-B7AD-0A244879FCC0@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<005401c64b6a$cd78cb20$0300000a@makabre>
	<a06110403c04361904c87@[141.89.100.174]>
	<014701c64b8f$45d01870$0300000a@makabre>
Message-ID: <17818680-B82B-11DA-B811-0030657E1638@pon.net>

Hi Jan,

>    on keyDown pKey
>      if pKey is an integer then pass keyDown
>    end keyDown
>
>
>    This will allow to type numbers only and use the delete key.
>    No more :-)
>

Make that _whole_ numbers only: no decimal separator is allowed.

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From rcozens at pon.net  Mon Mar 20 12:28:55 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 09:28:55 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
Message-ID: <02117863-B837-11DA-BF46-0030657E1638@pon.net>

Hi Geoff,


> Out of curiosity, do you have an example handy of a long handler that  
> you think makes more sense to keep together than to break up? Or one  
> that you think can't be broken up without significant effort to do it?
>

on findSDBRecord  
@sdbBuffer,exactKey,fieldDelimiter,itemList,setPosition,searchForward,se 
archCriteria,cutoffKey,recordDelimiter,unlockRecord
   -- 28 Feb 04:RCC
   if ipcMode is not "dc" then -- "dc" = single user direct connection
     replace return with numToChar(29) in itemList
     replace return with numToChar(29) in searchCriteria
     requestSDBService  
sdbBuffer,"find",packArguments(9,exactKey,fieldDelimiter,itemList,setPos 
ition,searchForward,searchCriteria,cutoffKey,recordDelimiter,unlockRecor 
d)
     get the result
     if not word 1 of it and setPosition then put word 4 of it into  
sdbPosition
     put it into sdbParameters
     return it
   else
     if invalidSDBClient() then return  
true&return&sdbMessage(sdbInvalidClientError,true)
     if offset(return&sdbDbId&return,return&(the keys of  
indexList)&return) = 0 then return  
true&return&sdbMessage(sdbDbIdError,true)
     if exactKey is empty then put true into exactKey
     put (fieldDelimiter is not empty) into retrieveData
     if recordDelimiter is not empty then
       put true into multipleRecords
       put false into unlockRecords
       put false into setPosition
     else put false into multipleRecords
     put (multipleRecords and not retrieveData) into countOnly
     if setPosition is empty or retrieveData then put true into  
setPosition
     if searchForward is empty then put true into searchForward
     put ((sdbWriteAccess is "Shared") and (unlockRecord is true)) into  
unlockRecord
     put word 2 to 4 of sdbParameters into savedPosition
     put justifyString(word 1 of sdbBuffer,4) into theRecordType
     getSDBRecord sdbBuffer,exactKey,,,setPosition,retrieveData
     get the result
     put word 2 to -1 of line 1 of sdbBuffer into recordKey
     if word 1 of it or (((recordKey > cutoffKey and searchForward) or  
(recordKey < cutoffKey and not searchForward)) and cutoffKey is not  
empty) then
       put false&&savedPosition into sdbParameters
       put false&&"0 0 0" into line 1 of it
       return it
     else
       if unlockRecord and sdbWriteAccess is "Shared" then  
deleteDbLock(word 4 of sdbParameters)
       if not retrieveData and not multipleRecords then
         put it into sdbParameters
         return it
       end if
     end if
     put word 4 of sdbParameters into oldPosition
     put empty into returnRecord
     put 0 into recordCount
     repeat
       put word 2 to -1 of line 1 of sdbBuffer into recordKey
       if (recordKey > cutoffKey and searchForward) or (recordKey <  
cutoffKey and not searchForward) then
         put false into word 1 of sdbParameters
         if countOnly then
           put empty into sdbBuffer
           return (word 1 to 3 of sdbParameters)&&recordCount
         else
           put theRecordType&&recordCount&return&returnRecord into  
sdbBuffer
           return (word 1 to 3 of sdbParameters)&&"0"
         end if
       end if
       delete line 1 of sdbBuffer
       if theSDBRecordMatches(sdbBuffer,fieldDelimiter,searchCriteria)  
then
         add 1 to recordCount
         repeat for each line itemNumber in itemList
           put sdbFieldNumber(itemNumber) into itemNumber
           if itemNumber = 0 then put recordKey&fieldBelimiter after  
returnRecord
           else put  
getItem(itemNumber,fieldDelimiter,sdbBuffer)&fieldDelimiter after  
returnRecord
         end repeat
         if multipleRecords then put recordDelimiter after returnRecord
         else
           put theRecordType&&recordKey&return&returnRecord into  
sdbBuffer
           return (word 1 to 3 of sdbParameters)
         end if
       end if
       set cursor to busy
       if searchForward then
         if word 2 of sdbParameters < word 3 of sdbParameters then
           put "+" into sdbBuffer
           getSDBRecord sdbBuffer,exactKey,,,true,retrieveData
           put the result into sdbParameters
         else put true into sdbParameters
       else
         if word 2 of sdbParameters > 1 then
           put "-" into sdbBuffer
           getSDBRecord sdbBuffer,exactKey,,,true,retrieveData
           put the result into sdbParameters
         else put true into sdbParameters
       end if
       if word 1 of sdbParameters then
         put false into word 1 of sdbParameters
         put oldPosition into word 4 of sdbParameters
         if countOnly then
           put empty into sdbBuffer
           return (word 1 to 3 of sdbParameters)&&recordCount
         else
           put theRecordType&&recordCount&return&returnRecord into  
sdbBuffer
           return (word 1 to 3 of sdbParameters)&&"0"
         end if
       else if not setPosition then put oldPosition into word 4 of  
sdbParameters
     end repeat
   end if
end findSDBRecord

Note:
	stack local variables and constant declarations excluded.
	application requirement: calling syntax at server and client apps must  
be identical...
		and identical with single user syntax

> When you think of a long handler, do you generally think of it as  
> having a single identifiable task, or do you think of it as being  
> several tasks performed in sequence in one handler?

I think of it as a task handler coordinating and calling on the various  
subtasks necessary to complete the entire logical transaction.

I write one-line handlers too, if the logic is to be used in several  
places:

on mouseTrapOn -- 3 Mar 04:RCC
   insert the script of field "Mouse Trap" of card 1 of stack  
"Serendipity_Library.rev" into front
end mouseTrapOn


>
> On Mar 19, 2006, at 3:57 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
>
>> Yep, I've heard that before, but frankly, for me, I'd rather keep it  
>> all in one, unless there's a really good reason to separate into  
>> multiple handlers (as in creating more reusability). I find it much  
>> easier to debug code I've written this way than hunting through the  
>> message path for the 15 or so functions/handlers I've written trying  
>> to make things 'more simple.' Just a difference in coding style.
>>
>> In fact, typically I'll write code procedurally in a longer handler,  
>> then only break it up if/when I know I need to do part of the same  
>> thing again. Like most of us, I'd rather not code twice.
>>
>> Even though, I've got libraries with over 50 handlers/functions.
>>
>> -Chipp
>>
>> Mark Wieder wrote:
>>> Geoff-
>>> Saturday, March 18, 2006, 1:24:50 PM, you wrote:
>>>> I've never seen a hundred-line routine that wouldn't be better as
>>>> five twenty-line routines, each of which could be documented with a
>>>> line of code. Perhaps even ten ten-line routines.
>
>

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 20 12:49:39 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 09:49:39 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <02117863-B837-11DA-BF46-0030657E1638@pon.net>
Message-ID: <C0442B33.365D6%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/20/06 9:28 AM, "Rob Cozens" <rcozens at pon.net> wrote:

> on mouseTrapOn -- 3 Mar 04:RCC
>    insert the script of field "Mouse Trap" of card 1 of stack
> "Serendipity_Library.rev" into front
> end mouseTrapOn

I suppose you also have a
"SerendipityDo_Library.rev"

for those calls that need extra hold, eh?

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From iden at idenrosenthal.com  Mon Mar 20 13:01:16 2006
From: iden at idenrosenthal.com (Iden Rosenthal)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 13:01:16 -0500
Subject: Dreamcard Won't Recognize Hypercard Stacks
Message-ID: <9C54B799-037A-42D1-8D3F-B2CFF9FDEBEF@idenrosenthal.com>

I have just installed Dreamcard 2.7 and tried to open some Hypercard  
Stacks to convert them. They are unrecognized (grayed) in the file  
open dialog. Is there something I've missed? The stacks will run in  
Hypercard Player under Classic mode in OS X 10.4.5. They won't open  
in either Oracle Card or Spinnaker Plus (message says they are "not  
okay"). I realize these last two have nothing to do with Dreamcard  
but I thought I'd mention it just in case anyone else out there has  
any experience there as well.


From rcozens at pon.net  Mon Mar 20 13:04:01 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 10:04:01 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <02117863-B837-11DA-BF46-0030657E1638@pon.net>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<02117863-B837-11DA-BF46-0030657E1638@pon.net>
Message-ID: <E934EC5A-B83B-11DA-BF46-0030657E1638@pon.net>

Moi:

>           if itemNumber = 0 then put recordKey&fieldBelimiter after 
> returnRecord
>

Thanks for getting me to revisit the handler, Geoff: "fieldBelimiter" 
was a bug waiting to bite me.

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From jonseymour at mac.com  Mon Mar 20 13:18:54 2006
From: jonseymour at mac.com (Jon Seymour)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:18:54 -0600
Subject: Zoom/maximize box
Message-ID: <60EF7938-6730-4D58-BCBE-74E97A66A9D7@mac.com>

Sarah, your suggestion to use the parameters of the resizeStack  
message works perfectly. Indeed, I was using the stack's properties  
before they were updated. Thanks for the help, that one was driving  
me crazy!

Jon


From WSUMNER at im.wustl.edu  Mon Mar 20 13:25:45 2006
From: WSUMNER at im.wustl.edu (Sumner,Walt)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:25:45 -0600
Subject: 2.7 bugs in variable watcher, table fields
Message-ID: <E5C80C34A98CF44D85A71336CB0149FB3FF45B@exmail01.im.wustl.edu>

Anybody else having these problems?

1. 
Mac OS X: 
Run a script with a breakpoint.
Open the message watcher at the breakpoint.
Open the variable watcher after opening the message watcher.
Variable watcher echos variable names, refuses to display variable values. 
Close message watcher.
Step forward (which ought to have a keyboard equivalent, by the way).
Variable watcher displays variable values. 

Very confusing until you realize that there is an ugly interaction with the
message watcher.


2. 
Windows XP tablet
Save and close all Rev projects that matter to you.
Create a label field to sit above a field that will have tab stops. The label
field will provide several column headers.
Open the property inspector andselect "contents"
Type "Column 1" & tab & "Column 2" & tab & "Column 3" (without the quotes and
ampersands, just type three column headers)
Click the table icon. Nothing is aligned, but I can still work.
Deselect the table icon. Now the contents are wrapped, but they are not
supposed to be.
Select the wrap icon. Nothing happens (already wrapped).
Deselect the wrap icon. I can not see, scroll to, or select the text "Column
1".
Select the wrap icon - there it is again, apparently OK.
Go to the property drop list and select "Table". 
Open the task manager since Rev has stopped responding.
Check performance. Probably pegged at 100%, of which 96%+/-3% is Rev. 
Wait <1 minute. Fan kicks in.
Let laptop run for 10 minutes while preparing cookie dough. Press right back
corner of laptop over raw flattened cookie dough. Cookie will be ready to eat
in 5 - 10 minutes. 
Kill Rev process. Fan will stop in a minute or two.


The problems with tables are getting pretty old, folks. As much as I love
programming in X-Talk and having instant cross-platform capabilities, it is
embarrassing to admit that I have to work around all these bugs, or to lose
work, etc, because I don't want to work in a "real" language.

Please fix the bugs.

--Walt Sumner




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Mar 20 13:31:10 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 10:31:10 -0800
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <4CE09A99-33A5-40A3-9AB4-0A1C36D1501D@inspiredlogic.com>
References: <C04335B2.19415%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
	<4CE09A99-33A5-40A3-9AB4-0A1C36D1501D@inspiredlogic.com>
Message-ID: <247424575.20060320103110@ahsoftware.net>

Geoff-

Sunday, March 19, 2006, 5:12:04 PM, you wrote:

> This would still be subject to failure if, anywhere in the script, /*
> or */ appeared _not_ as block comment delimiters, but as part of a  
> string.

The best solution I've come up with for removing block comments is

put the script of SomeObject into tScript
put token 1 to -1 of tScript into tScript

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From katir at hindu.org  Mon Mar 20 05:36:36 2006
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 00:36:36 -1000
Subject: Image Storage - Optimization
Message-ID: <C42AB80B-761A-454A-BAA9-B2DFE8039A8F@hindu.org>

This is a spin off from my earlier thread on DRM for images in  
stacks.  In experiments with putting compressed imageData into a  
custom prop I discovered it bloated the size of the stack. I then  
tested "recovery" of that data to an original jpeg size, with some  
very interesting results, possibly "stumbling" on an optimization  
feature, I may need my eyes tested, or at least try this same test on  
images with intricate "edges" and  with photos of peoples faces...

1) import 3 X 5 imag 80k .jpeg (in this case  NASA space shot)
2) Scale the image way up on the card  (4 times)  so it becomes the  
whole background  of the card
3) save stack: stack size: 80 K
4) set the uStuff of this card to compress(the imageData of img 1)
put "" into img 1
5) save stack: stack size 1.2meg! ouch!
6) try to recover:
7) set the imageData of img 1 to decompress(the uStuff of this card)
8) scale down the image to 3 X 5
9) set JPEGcompression to 40
10) export image 1 to someFile.jpg as JPEG; delete image 1
11) export image on disk is only 27K!
12) import someFile.jpg back into the stack, save stack
13) stack size 27 k!

  I immediately assume "we probably have terrible degradation from  
multiple interpolations..the small stack must look awful next to the  
stack with the original image" and set about checking that.

Make new stack and import the original 80K image... open two stack  
side by side: one is 80K in size and the other is 27 K in size, they  
both started out with the same image as data..

I cannot see *any* difference in the two images! but one stack is 80K  
and the second one is 27K.

  Either some jpeg artifact desensitivity filters got stuck in my  
eyes and I am missing the differences that some more critical eye  
might see. Or  I may have  stumbled on some algorithm for optimizing  
files  sizes for imported images. I'm sure there are many underlying  
variables I am not seeing in particular.  But if it is true, it's has  
some major implications for image storage and stack size optimization.

Sivakatirswami









From rcozens at pon.net  Mon Mar 20 14:06:15 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:06:15 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <C0442B33.365D6%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C0442B33.365D6%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9ABD962D-B844-11DA-B5F3-0030657E1638@pon.net>


Hi Jim,

> I suppose you also have a
> "SerendipityDo_Library.rev"
>

It's still a work in process; but will be released as 
"SerendipityDoDa_Library.rev" so folks won't think it's 
SerendipityDoDo.     :{`)

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Mar 20 14:17:15 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:17:15 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <E934EC5A-B83B-11DA-BF46-0030657E1638@pon.net>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>
	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>
	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net> <441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<02117863-B837-11DA-BF46-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<E934EC5A-B83B-11DA-BF46-0030657E1638@pon.net>
Message-ID: <210190493.20060320111715@ahsoftware.net>

Rob-

Monday, March 20, 2006, 10:04:01 AM, you wrote:

> Thanks for getting me to revisit the handler, Geoff: "fieldBelimiter"
> was a bug waiting to bite me.

...and that's why I'm such a stickler for declaring variables. If the
compiler can find your bugs for you, why not let it do the work?

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From josh at dvcreators.net  Mon Mar 20 14:30:11 2006
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:30:11 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <F014087B-C553-4E87-8AF8-5C9F33632862@earthlink.net>
References: <F014087B-C553-4E87-8AF8-5C9F33632862@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <EE004F7A-2A0A-49FC-A9E6-A76253BC75BE@dvcreators.net>


On Mar 14, 2006, at 6:40 AM, mvreade at earthlink.net wrote:

> Josh,
>
> Very strong statements. Wow!  If I may ask for further  
> clarification... I have two questions I'd love you expound upon.
>
> 1)  RealBasic -- that's the main rival, as I see it.  I haven't  
> written big enough apps to test, but it seem that the compiler is  
> pretty fast. I wonder how they compare in development and upkeep of  
> for database projects.  What are your thoughts about the 2  
> development environments?

We developed a product in RealBasic a few years ago and never  
released it- (Director was not OS X compatible yet and so not an  
option). At that time (several years ago) we found the compiler slow  
and the general performance atrocious (rollover graphics working  
intermittently, slowly, sticking on over or down states, QT movies  
stuttering.

Of course a lot may have changed since then...


>
> 2) Revolution vs Ruby on Rails?  You mean to say you use Revolution  
> to write browser enabled web-apps? Something I could access with  
> Firefox?  If so, I'd love to hear more.


Read Richard Gaskin's article about "Beyond the Browser". <http:// 
www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/netapps.html> Everyone is going  
nuts over Web 2.0, AJAX, Ruby on Rails... sure, for many applications  
(like, a website for example!) running something in a browser makes  
sense.

For any serious business or media application, all the days of trying  
to make Javascript work across browsers, degrade gracefully, etc. can  
be better spent making the app better!

Just like you have to download iTunes, RealPlayer, Google Earth,  
etc., an independent executable that communicates with a remote  
shared database makes way more sense to me than trying to force a  
browser to do more than pictures and text.

The exception is Flash, an amazing technology that runs in a browser,  
but sadly, the dev environment seems more suited for masochists than  
people who just want the job done... before lunch.


Just my .03 (inflation)

>
> Thanks again for you very insightful comments.  I really appreciate  
> them.
>
> Michael
>
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Mon Mar 20 14:32:39 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:32:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <4C003C98-91CC-47C3-A7B3-BBF2622CC7B8@lexicall.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603201105330.8622-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Marielle,

I believe this response to Chipp is a unfair.

The post you cite regarding Jerry was apologized for almost immediately
after he realized that he sent it to the list and not to Jerry personally.
And I seem to recall Jerry being nearly abusive in the posts sent around
that time.  I don't have the time at present to go google pipermail to
cite each and every post, but you might wish to do so to revisit the issue
in its larger context.

As for Richmond, my impression (for what very little it is possibly worth)
is that, while he is perhaps an individual of passion and industriousness,
he can also be a tad on the nasty side (private and public mails) and
drove me nearly stark raving batty with his continued whining about why he
couldn't have Rev for free while the rest of us were paying as well as we
could to update our licenses and do our part to help the company maintain
revenue needed to fix whatever it was that any of us might have been
bitching about to get fixed.  Teachers get paid for their teaching
assignments (not alot, I'll concede).  Mightn't all students all similarly
insist that 'information wants to be free' and that teachers should just
give their time away and beg on the streets for daily bread?  Outside of
Socrates (whose wife was continually begging him to go build walls and the
like), I suspect that there are remarkably few educators who would apply
to themselves the sentiment that they seem to demand of software
developers.

Judy



From josh at dvcreators.net  Mon Mar 20 14:47:41 2006
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:47:41 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <CF5F30BD-53A9-4A26-9E2F-12535B8ADB94@earthlink.net>
References: <F014087B-C553-4E87-8AF8-5C9F33632862@earthlink.net>
	<31e1938c0603140910x73f83aa2y73fc337250a8516c@mail.gmail.com>
	<DDF65E4B-9366-4295-88F2-99C3F3CFB471@earthlink.net>
	<70ed6b130603141442u5e451c60g2e298b985516f09f@mail.gmail.com>
	<CF5F30BD-53A9-4A26-9E2F-12535B8ADB94@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1297874C-58E2-4134-8EA7-E542924F3D38@dvcreators.net>


On Mar 14, 2006, at 3:17 PM, mvreade at earthlink.net wrote:

> So I anticipate that the web apps would be VERY simple, and it  
> might even be possible to push the date into something like PHP- 
> Fusion or Joomla!

Joomla = NO

WordPress = YES

e107 = YES

: )

from one who has done way too much experimentation with open source  
CMS apps!


From shaosean at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 20 14:52:09 2006
From: shaosean at hotmail.com (Sean Shao)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:52:09 -0500
Subject: [?] Mac Classic, 2.6.1, MySQL
Message-ID: <BAY105-F1664C3114B84642594A983C3DB0@phx.gbl>

I'm working on a small project that needs to run on Mac OS X, Mac Classic 
(9.2.2) and Windows and that uses the database library to connect to a MySQL 
server. Everything runs fine on OS X and Windows, and it runs fine in the 
IDE on Mac Classic.

When I compile a Classic application from the IDE on the Classic Mac the 
application crashes on launch with a Type 1001 error.
I've noticed that the MySQL library file from the 2.6.1 Classic IDE is only 
244 KiB yet the one that's in my OS X 2.6.1 IDE is over a meg big.
When I replace the MySQL library in the compiled app's folder the 
application successfully launches, but I get a Rev DB error "Unsupported 
database type".

Has anyone successfully made a Classic app using the database library to 
connect to a MySQL server, or has everyone moved forward to OS X?

-Sean

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From josh at dvcreators.net  Mon Mar 20 15:10:22 2006
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:10:22 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>
	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>
	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <D76229A0-0F9D-40FF-A0F7-13D022471357@dvcreators.net>


On Mar 19, 2006, at 12:55 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>
> It's probably my forth background, but I'm mildly allergic to routines
> that don't fit in their entirety onto my screen.
>
> --  
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net


Ah, I just realized why I'm writing overly complex handlers and not  
using functions... a 30" Cinema Display :-(

Kachoo!


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 20 15:25:41 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:25:41 -0800
Subject: 2.7 bugs in variable watcher, table fields
In-Reply-To: <E5C80C34A98CF44D85A71336CB0149FB3FF45B@exmail01.im.wustl.edu>
Message-ID: <C0444FC5.36602%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/20/06 10:25 AM, "Sumner,Walt" <WSUMNER at im.wustl.edu> wrote:

> Anybody else having these problems?
> 
> 1. 
> Mac OS X: 
> Run a script with a breakpoint.
> Open the message watcher at the breakpoint.
> Open the variable watcher after opening the message watcher.
> Variable watcher echos variable names, refuses to display variable values.
> Close message watcher.
> Step forward (which ought to have a keyboard equivalent, by the way).
Try the spacebar to step forward.


Jim Ault
Las Vegas 




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Mar 20 15:38:49 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:38:49 -0600
Subject: Dreamcard Won't Recognize Hypercard Stacks
In-Reply-To: <9C54B799-037A-42D1-8D3F-B2CFF9FDEBEF@idenrosenthal.com>
References: <9C54B799-037A-42D1-8D3F-B2CFF9FDEBEF@idenrosenthal.com>
Message-ID: <441F12D9.7000908@hyperactivesw.com>

Iden Rosenthal wrote:
> I have just installed Dreamcard 2.7 and tried to open some Hypercard  
> Stacks to convert them. They are unrecognized (grayed) in the file  open 
> dialog. Is there something I've missed? The stacks will run in  
> Hypercard Player under Classic mode in OS X 10.4.5. They won't open  in 
> either Oracle Card or Spinnaker Plus (message says they are "not  
> okay"). I realize these last two have nothing to do with Dreamcard  but 
> I thought I'd mention it just in case anyone else out there has  any 
> experience there as well.

If the stacks are in the old 1.0 format, they won't import. You'll have 
to open them in HC 2.0 or later and choose "Convert stack" from the File 
menu. That will fix them.

That said, there's a bug in the current release of Dreamcard/Revolution 
that prevents opening HC stacks. The problem has already been fixed, and 
will be in the next incremental release which is due out any time now.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From cmsheffield at gmail.com  Mon Mar 20 15:43:47 2006
From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 13:43:47 -0700
Subject: [?] Mac Classic, 2.6.1, MySQL
In-Reply-To: <BAY105-F1664C3114B84642594A983C3DB0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY105-F1664C3114B84642594A983C3DB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <088310E1-192A-4936-B169-123317C45131@gmail.com>

Sean,

This is a strange one.  I've seen this before, and if I remember  
correctly, the problem is that database applications, for whatever  
reason, are linked to the Valentina external on Mac Classic.  Whether  
you're building for Valentina or not.  There is a bug report on it,  
though I don't have the number handy.

The workaround is to build your standalone with Valentina support as  
well as MySQL support.  The part I can't remember is if it's  
necessary to include the Valentina library with your standalone or  
not.  You may have to experiment with that.

Hopefully this'll help you get things figured out.

Chris


On Mar 20, 2006, at 12:52 PM, Sean Shao wrote:

> I'm working on a small project that needs to run on Mac OS X, Mac  
> Classic (9.2.2) and Windows and that uses the database library to  
> connect to a MySQL server. Everything runs fine on OS X and  
> Windows, and it runs fine in the IDE on Mac Classic.
>
> When I compile a Classic application from the IDE on the Classic  
> Mac the application crashes on launch with a Type 1001 error.
> I've noticed that the MySQL library file from the 2.6.1 Classic IDE  
> is only 244 KiB yet the one that's in my OS X 2.6.1 IDE is over a  
> meg big.
> When I replace the MySQL library in the compiled app's folder the  
> application successfully launches, but I get a Rev DB error  
> "Unsupported database type".
>
> Has anyone successfully made a Classic app using the database  
> library to connect to a MySQL server, or has everyone moved forward  
> to OS X?
>
> -Sean
>
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From userev at canelasoftware.com  Mon Mar 20 15:46:01 2006
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:46:01 -0800
Subject: DRM for Images and Text in Stacks
In-Reply-To: <8A57CA63-03B6-40ED-B19B-196E3EBE315D@hindu.org>
References: <C033059A.371B8%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<B690EC9E-DBEB-4EFC-B1FD-12C0D6925708@hindu.org>
	<A175C2AC-6034-4A88-B13E-B3876C173B64@hindu.org>
	<p06230911c0409a9571b5@[192.168.1.103]>
	<6A2645BE-83C8-4A07-84A7-8240F4BDE087@canelasoftware.com>
	<AFD008B7-DD5D-496A-A967-7129F8C05700@hindu.org>
	<p06200702c0418ff6e22e@[10.0.0.42]>
	<8A57CA63-03B6-40ED-B19B-196E3EBE315D@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <AE638787-1681-493F-AC60-8C4D65996A9A@canelasoftware.com>


On Mar 18, 2006, at 2:39 AM   Mar 18, 2006, Sivakatirswami wrote:

>> if the environment is "development" then quit
>>
>> does that not prevent someone from opening it up in the IDE?
>
> mmm. I'm reviewing  all the memos to date on this and see you  
> already mentioned this.
>
> OK yes, I think this is "doable"   I will try it. I wonder how  
> hackable this could be from inside the IDE if one were to place  
> that line into just the script of the substack "library"


This will not work as all one has to do is lock the messages before  
opening the stack.


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From calhorner at xtra.Co.NZ  Mon Mar 20 16:08:52 2006
From: calhorner at xtra.Co.NZ (Cal Horner)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:08:52 +1200 (New Zealand Standard Time)
Subject: Where has all the  Object Documentation gone?
Message-ID: <441F19E4.000003.04088@CALSBIGPC>

Back in the good ol' days, those of 2.6, 2.5 and earlier, there was a very
effective tool (for me) in the Revolution on-line documentation. It even had
its own button. It was called OBJECTS.
 
It seems to have gone the way of the Dodo or have the Dodos simply left it
out of 2.7?
 
My question is simply this. Has anyone been able to incorporate it back into
2.7 documentation. Or, are you like me, loading in 2.6  for that one
feature? Yes, I know some of you have gone back to 2.6.1 in its entirety.
 
BTW, This is the only complaint I have about 2.7. It hasn't fallen over once
 since I installed. And it seems to do everything I ask of it. Perhaps I got
the prize in the Cracker jacks box?
 
TIA
 
Cal

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Mar 20 16:19:51 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:19:51 -0600
Subject: Image Storage - Optimization
In-Reply-To: <C42AB80B-761A-454A-BAA9-B2DFE8039A8F@hindu.org>
References: <C42AB80B-761A-454A-BAA9-B2DFE8039A8F@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <441F1C77.3060001@hyperactivesw.com>

Sivakatirswami wrote:
> This is a spin off from my earlier thread on DRM for images in  stacks.  
> In experiments with putting compressed imageData into a  custom prop I 
> discovered it bloated the size of the stack. I then  tested "recovery" 
> of that data to an original jpeg size, with some  very interesting 
> results, possibly "stumbling" on an optimization  feature, I may need my 
> eyes tested, or at least try this same test on  images with intricate 
> "edges" and  with photos of peoples faces...

Someone with more knowledge should really address this, but what I think 
is happening is that you are trying to compress an image that is already 
compressed, which can actually add size to the file rather than decrease it.

> 
> 1) import 3 X 5 imag 80k .jpeg (in this case  NASA space shot)
> 2) Scale the image way up on the card  (4 times)  so it becomes the  
> whole background  of the card
> 3) save stack: stack size: 80 K

This image was probably already compressed with jpg compression to 80K, 
and was much bigger when expanded.

> 4) set the uStuff of this card to compress(the imageData of img 1)
> put "" into img 1
> 5) save stack: stack size 1.2meg! ouch!

Here's where I'm guessing, but it may be that what you are compressing 
is the fully expanded jpg rather then the stored compressed version. I'm 
not sure though. Someone else may know.

> 6) try to recover:
> 7) set the imageData of img 1 to decompress(the uStuff of this card)
> 8) scale down the image to 3 X 5
> 9) set JPEGcompression to 40
> 10) export image 1 to someFile.jpg as JPEG; delete image 1
> 11) export image on disk is only 27K!

You've changed both the compression ratio, apparently to a tighter 
compression, and the original size of the image, which reduces its file 
size.

> 12) import someFile.jpg back into the stack, save stack
> 13) stack size 27 k!

When you re-import, you've imported a more tightly compressed and 
smaller jpg.

<snip>

> I cannot see *any* difference in the two images! but one stack is 80K  
> and the second one is 27K.

For photos, I've found that you can set the jpg compression to a very 
tight amount without losing much quality at all. It doesn't work so well 
with images that contain line drawings, for example, but photos are 
excellent.

I think in your situation it would work very well to open your images in 
an image editor, scale them down to a smaller size, re-save them at very 
tight compression, and then import them into your stack. Set the custom 
property to the imageData without using any Rev compression at all; the 
original file size  should be retained. When you display the image in an 
image object in the stack, Rev will automatically decompress it and 
expand it to its full size for display, leaving the original property alone.

If you need to set the display size to something larger than the 
original size, do that after you've put the imagedata into the image 
object. Set the lockloc of the image object to true and then set its 
height and width to what you want. Rev will scale it for display without 
changing the size of the stored imagedata property.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Mar 20 16:31:10 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:31:10 -0600
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <247424575.20060320103110@ahsoftware.net>
References: <C04335B2.19415%dick.kriesel@mail.com>	<4CE09A99-33A5-40A3-9AB4-0A1C36D1501D@inspiredlogic.com>
	<247424575.20060320103110@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <441F1F1E.6@hyperactivesw.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:
> Geoff-
> 
> Sunday, March 19, 2006, 5:12:04 PM, you wrote:
> 
> 
>>This would still be subject to failure if, anywhere in the script, /*
>>or */ appeared _not_ as block comment delimiters, but as part of a  
>>string.
> 
> 
> The best solution I've come up with for removing block comments is
> 
> put the script of SomeObject into tScript
> put token 1 to -1 of tScript into tScript
> 

This sounded really cool, but I can't get it to work. :(

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Mar 20 16:38:27 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 13:38:27 -0800
Subject: ANN: Email Obfuscator
In-Reply-To: <C0438236.36575%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C0438236.36575%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4718663126.20060320133827@ahsoftware.net>

Jim-

Sunday, March 19, 2006, 9:48:38 PM, you wrote:

> Thanks for the great snippet.
> One of my clients will be thrilled Monday when he sees it!

Well, your client will probably like the new version better. I just
uploaded a v1.1 version, which can handle command line arguments if
it's made into a standalone. I tried to get this working yesterday but
my brain wasn't cooperating with my fingers. And I added a button to
create a test web page while I was at it.

EmailObfuscator -u me at home.com -v "hello, bucko" -x > result.html

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Mar 20 16:39:57 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:39:57 -0600
Subject: Where has all the  Object Documentation gone?
In-Reply-To: <441F19E4.000003.04088@CALSBIGPC>
References: <441F19E4.000003.04088@CALSBIGPC>
Message-ID: <441F212D.7010604@hyperactivesw.com>

Cal Horner wrote:
> Back in the good ol' days, those of 2.6, 2.5 and earlier, there was a very
> effective tool (for me) in the Revolution on-line documentation. It even had
> its own button. It was called OBJECTS.
>  
> It seems to have gone the way of the Dodo or have the Dodos simply left it
> out of 2.7?

It is mostly still there but access is different. Right-click on the 
column headings and choose the object you want to display. A column is 
added and all language elements that are used by that object will be 
checkedmarked. You can sort by that column to put all the object's 
language elements next to each other.

There are still some things missing; for example, "all objects" isn't an 
easy category to isolate.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From reball at mac.com  Mon Mar 20 16:43:14 2006
From: reball at mac.com (Robert E. Ball)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 13:43:14 -0800
Subject: How can I keep selected text hilited?
Message-ID: <6B217C92-2A13-44A5-8594-77AC26976FBB@mac.com>

I want the user of my program to be able to hilite portions of a text  
field on a given card (similar to using a yellow hilite pen on a book  
page -- I have set hiliteColor to yellow) and then to have the  
hilited text show up when the user returns to the card.

When I first double click on a word in a field, the selected word's  
backgroundColor turns yellow, as it should. However, when I double  
click on another word in the field, the yellow backgroundColor of the  
previously selected word is removed and the backgroundColor of the  
second selected word is yellow. I understand why this works -- a new  
word has been selected. However, is it possible to write a script to  
save the yellow backgroundColor of all selected words. In other  
words, I would like my cards to look just like the page of a book  
that has hilited text.


From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Mar 20 17:08:55 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:08:55 -0600
Subject: Image Storage - Optimization
In-Reply-To: <C42AB80B-761A-454A-BAA9-B2DFE8039A8F@hindu.org>
References: <C42AB80B-761A-454A-BAA9-B2DFE8039A8F@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <441F27F7.4070104@chipp.com>

Hi Sivakatirswami,

Never did hear how you guys did in that horrible flood last week. Hope 
all is OK!

Regrading what I think you did and the subsequent results:

First, when describing importing an image, it's a good idea to give 
pixel dimenstions and not inches. So, I assume at 72dpi an 3 x 5 image 
is 216 x 360 which is 227.8K raw imagedata. The reason it was 80K as a 
JPG file was due to the JPG compression. When saving a raw image in a 
stack, Rev applies its own non-destructive compression to it reducing it 
from 227K to 54K. The compression applied is not gZip as gZip is not 
optimized for compressing images.

Just doing the following blows up the stack to 305K:

set the altImageData of this stack to the imageData of img 1
delete img 1

This is because the imagedata is a pixel for pixel exact representation 
of what the image is. No compression.

Starting over and putting:

set the altImageData of this stack to compress (the imageData of img 1)
delete img 1

reveals a stack 71K in size. You see, the compress function doesn't work 
as good as the built-in image compression which created a 54K stack.

Scaling the image larger doesn't add anything to the stack size IF you 
don't store the image as imageData, but IF YOU DO capture the imagedata, 
then you are accessing that many more pixels and that much more 
imageData, thus creating a larger stack. Though the image itself has 
gained no higher resolution (image quality) as you can't make an image 
larger and increase resolution without some tricky algorithms.

The whole export thing being smaller you have going on is due only to 
the JPEG compression setting.

Also remember, if you're resizing DOWN (as in creating thumbnails) 
setting the resizeQuality of an image to best enables bilinear sampling, 
which looks better than the default nearest neighbor sampling (though it 
takes slightly longer).

HTH,

Chipp



From tkuypers at dmp-int.com  Mon Mar 20 17:17:00 2006
From: tkuypers at dmp-int.com (Ton Kuypers)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:17:00 +0100
Subject: [?] Mac Classic, 2.6.1, MySQL
In-Reply-To: <BAY105-F1664C3114B84642594A983C3DB0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY105-F1664C3114B84642594A983C3DB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4CD820A2-3B41-419E-BA20-1B9BB10093BC@dmp-int.com>

Sean,

Yep, I did, and didn't get the classic version to work unless I  
created the classic standalone from RR 2.5 running in classic mode...
I could create the Windows and OS X version from my OS X Revolution,  
but never got the classic version to run.
Lazy as I am, I didn't spend much time on it, just created the  
classic version on my old OS 9 Mac...


Warm regards,

Ton Kuypers
Digital Media Partners bvba
Tel. +32 (0)477 / 739 530
Fax +32 (0)14 / 71 03 04
http://www.dmp-int.com



On 20-mrt-06, at 20:52, Sean Shao wrote:

> I'm working on a small project that needs to run on Mac OS X, Mac  
> Classic (9.2.2) and Windows and that uses the database library to  
> connect to a MySQL server. Everything runs fine on OS X and  
> Windows, and it runs fine in the IDE on Mac Classic.
>
> When I compile a Classic application from the IDE on the Classic  
> Mac the application crashes on launch with a Type 1001 error.
> I've noticed that the MySQL library file from the 2.6.1 Classic IDE  
> is only 244 KiB yet the one that's in my OS X 2.6.1 IDE is over a  
> meg big.
> When I replace the MySQL library in the compiled app's folder the  
> application successfully launches, but I get a Rev DB error  
> "Unsupported database type".
>
> Has anyone successfully made a Classic app using the database  
> library to connect to a MySQL server, or has everyone moved forward  
> to OS X?
>
> -Sean
>
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From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Mon Mar 20 18:36:22 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:36:22 -0800
Subject: [ANN] STS XML Library 2.0 Now Available
In-Reply-To: <C0428386.37F27%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C0428386.37F27%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603201536j660fc311q34019b0d55be49ba@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Ken. Nice bit of work.



On 3/19/06, Ken Ray <kray at sonsothunder.com> wrote:
>
> Hey, everyone!
>
> The long-awaited, and long-promised STS XML Library 2.0 has finally been
> released, adding node path support, search and array methods, conditional
> validation and plugin support to the all-Transcript XML parsing library.
> It
> is also fully Revolution Interoperability (RIP) compliant, and ships with
> a
> special Compatibility Library that enables current 1.x users the ability
> to
> easily transition to the new 2.0 syntax.
>
> The new plugin architecture enables third parties to provide libraries
> that
> can utilize the XML Library for specialized XML parsing, and Version 2.0
> comes with a plugin for manipulating RSS feed documents.
>
> The web site, in addition to providing more information about the library,
> also includes a full comparison of how the STS XML Library compares with
> the
> revXML.DLL that comes with Revolution. It also includes the full
> documentation of the library, so you can look it over to decide for
> yourself
> if the STS XML Library if for you.
>
> Read more about the XML Library at:
>
>      http://www.sonsothunder.com/products/xmllib/xmllib.htm
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
>
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From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Mon Mar 20 18:59:05 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:59:05 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603201105330.8622-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <4C003C98-91CC-47C3-A7B3-BBF2622CC7B8@lexicall.org>
	<Pine.GSO.4.33.0603201105330.8622-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603201559q10397057k4e7ccde00468f5a7@mail.gmail.com>

OMG, Judy, two things we can agree on in, what?, less than a month? Perhaps
the end of the cycle is imminent!

:-)

I spent two years once trying to sell a product into the "education market."
(I use quotation marks because in my experience -- which may well have been
unique for all I know -- there is no such thing as a "market" called
"education".) Here's what I ran into (enough years ago that some of it may
no longer be valid and it specifically applies to K-12, not secondary):

1.  The decision-maker is often hard to find. This was a real deal-blocker
for us. I'm not kidding. In one case, we found out that the key decision
maker in determing what software a school district (a large one, at that)
would buy was the nephew of the superintendent who worked as an outside
consultant. He wasn't on an org chart and we could not make a direct
presentation to him. That was the extreme but it was only a matter of
degree.

2.  Educators often cried poor-mouth, seeking deep, deep discounts that
would have resulted in our inability to stay in business but then they also
wanted reliable tech support (including pre-sale) and training.

3.  Too often, educators felt justified taking our proprietary software and
duplicating it for their fellow educators, on the same basis as #2, i.e.,
they were under-funded and under-paid.

Now I'm not going to argue that educators are adequately compensated let
alone overpaid. And I know that in the U.S. at least the priority we place
on education in our budgets is horrific in contrast to the lip service we
pay to the importance of education in our society. But even programmers have
to eat (though they seem able to subsist of Jolt and Twinkies for extended
periods of time, with the odd pizza tossed in for good measure.) But what
does seem to me to be the case is that, as I think I hear you saying,
educators seem (in general) to be OK with taking advantage of people who
supply software technology to make their jobs easier but are not OK with
others wishing to take advantage of their good nature as altruistic
participants in the social discourse.

And at the end, I just find this very interesting, not necessariiy negative
or problematic.

On 3/20/06, Judy Perry <jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu> wrote:

I suspect that there are remarkably few educators who would apply
to themselves the sentiment that they seem to demand of software
developers.


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http://www.shafermedia.com
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From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Mon Mar 20 19:09:25 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:09:25 -0800
Subject: How can I keep selected text hilited?
In-Reply-To: <6B217C92-2A13-44A5-8594-77AC26976FBB@mac.com>
References: <6B217C92-2A13-44A5-8594-77AC26976FBB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603201609i326ad0b9n660a599fa9d86f8a@mail.gmail.com>

Robert....

Sure. Just set the foreColor of the selectedText to the hiliteColor. That
makes the change sticky.


On 3/20/06, Robert E. Ball <reball at mac.com> wrote:
>
> I want the user of my program to be able to hilite portions of a text
> field on a given card (similar to using a yellow hilite pen on a book
> page -- I have set hiliteColor to yellow) and then to have the
> hilited text show up when the user returns to the card.
>
> When I first double click on a word in a field, the selected word's
> backgroundColor turns yellow, as it should. However, when I double
> click on another word in the field, the yellow backgroundColor of the
> previously selected word is removed and the backgroundColor of the
> second selected word is yellow. I understand why this works -- a new
> word has been selected. However, is it possible to write a script to
> save the yellow backgroundColor of all selected words. In other
> words, I would like my cards to look just like the page of a book
> that has hilited text.
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From userev at canelasoftware.com  Mon Mar 20 19:16:31 2006
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:16:31 -0800
Subject: How can I keep selected text hilited?
In-Reply-To: <6B217C92-2A13-44A5-8594-77AC26976FBB@mac.com>
References: <6B217C92-2A13-44A5-8594-77AC26976FBB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <12974C03-3347-4189-9CF1-4A8966E46FDE@canelasoftware.com>


On Mar 20, 2006, at 1:43 PM   Mar 20, 2006, Robert E. Ball wrote:

> I want the user of my program to be able to hilite portions of a  
> text field on a given card (similar to using a yellow hilite pen on  
> a book page -- I have set hiliteColor to yellow) and then to have  
> the hilited text show up when the user returns to the card.
>
> When I first double click on a word in a field, the selected word's  
> backgroundColor turns yellow, as it should. However, when I double  
> click on another word in the field, the yellow backgroundColor of  
> the previously selected word is removed and the backgroundColor of  
> the second selected word is yellow. I understand why this works --  
> a new word has been selected. However, is it possible to write a  
> script to save the yellow backgroundColor of all selected words. In  
> other words, I would like my cards to look just like the page of a  
> book that has hilited text.

There probably is a few ways this can be done.  The first thing I  
would try is to store the selectedChunk information everytime there  
is a mouseUp.  You could store this in a variable or a custom property.

A quick and dirty solution would be the following:

on selectionChanged
     put the selectedChunk
     set the foreGroundColor of the selectedChunk to 255,0,0
end selectionChanged


From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Mon Mar 20 19:26:06 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:26:06 -0800
Subject: How can I keep selected text hilited?
In-Reply-To: <12974C03-3347-4189-9CF1-4A8966E46FDE@canelasoftware.com>
References: <6B217C92-2A13-44A5-8594-77AC26976FBB@mac.com>
	<12974C03-3347-4189-9CF1-4A8966E46FDE@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603201626v5bea4dd3jfce84a5750eb45e9@mail.gmail.com>

Actually, that should be backColor, not foreColor. Sorry for the confusion.

On 3/20/06, Mark Talluto <userev at canelasoftware.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 20, 2006, at 1:43 PM   Mar 20, 2006, Robert E. Ball wrote:
>
> > I want the user of my program to be able to hilite portions of a
> > text field on a given card (similar to using a yellow hilite pen on
> > a book page -- I have set hiliteColor to yellow) and then to have
> > the hilited text show up when the user returns to the card.
> >
> > When I first double click on a word in a field, the selected word's
> > backgroundColor turns yellow, as it should. However, when I double
> > click on another word in the field, the yellow backgroundColor of
> > the previously selected word is removed and the backgroundColor of
> > the second selected word is yellow. I understand why this works --
> > a new word has been selected. However, is it possible to write a
> > script to save the yellow backgroundColor of all selected words. In
> > other words, I would like my cards to look just like the page of a
> > book that has hilited text.
>
> There probably is a few ways this can be done.  The first thing I
> would try is to store the selectedChunk information everytime there
> is a mouseUp.  You could store this in a variable or a custom property.
>
> A quick and dirty solution would be the following:
>
> on selectionChanged
>      put the selectedChunk
>      set the foreGroundColor of the selectedChunk to 255,0,0
> end selectionChanged
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From reball at redshift.com  Mon Mar 20 19:34:33 2006
From: reball at redshift.com (Dr. Robert E. Ball)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:34:33 -0800
Subject: How can I keep selected text hilited?
In-Reply-To: <12974C03-3347-4189-9CF1-4A8966E46FDE@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <C0448A19.11970%reball@redshift.com>

Dan and Mark -- thank you so much. The selectionChanged was exactly what I
needed, but with the backgroundColor changed to yellow, not the
foregroundColor (which makes the text yellow, not the background).


On 3/20/06 4:16 PM, "Mark Talluto" <userev at canelasoftware.com> wrote:

> 
> On Mar 20, 2006, at 1:43 PM   Mar 20, 2006, Robert E. Ball wrote:
> 
>> I want the user of my program to be able to hilite portions of a
>> text field on a given card (similar to using a yellow hilite pen on
>> a book page -- I have set hiliteColor to yellow) and then to have
>> the hilited text show up when the user returns to the card.
>> 
>> When I first double click on a word in a field, the selected word's
>> backgroundColor turns yellow, as it should. However, when I double
>> click on another word in the field, the yellow backgroundColor of
>> the previously selected word is removed and the backgroundColor of
>> the second selected word is yellow. I understand why this works --
>> a new word has been selected. However, is it possible to write a
>> script to save the yellow backgroundColor of all selected words. In
>> other words, I would like my cards to look just like the page of a
>> book that has hilited text.
> 
> There probably is a few ways this can be done.  The first thing I
> would try is to store the selectedChunk information everytime there
> is a mouseUp.  You could store this in a variable or a custom property.
> 
> A quick and dirty solution would be the following:
> 
> on selectionChanged
>    put the selectedChunk
>    set the foreGroundColor of the selectedChunk to 255,0,0
> end selectionChanged
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-- 
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Distinguished Professor, Emeritus
Department of Aeronautics and Astronautics
Naval Postgraduate School
Monterey, California



From userev at canelasoftware.com  Mon Mar 20 19:37:11 2006
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:37:11 -0800
Subject: Draw spokes on a wheel
In-Reply-To: <p06230902c041ddd6760b@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <20060318141758.8D5AD8265A9@mail.runrev.com>
	<p06230902c041ddd6760b@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <28C864C6-76B0-4A05-A468-CD5F094F5C54@canelasoftware.com>


On Mar 18, 2006, at 8:11 AM, Jim Hurley wrote:

> For fun and games with rolling you may  want to look at:
>
> go url " http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/Rolling.rev"

This took away a lot of my productivity when I first saw this.   
Incredible stuff indeed!

>
> Run Rev has expressed an interest in implementing TG in Revolution.  
> Be nice to have a new control, a turtle control (multiple turtles  
> like multiple graphic objects) that responds to the TG vocabulary.

This would be very nice.  I could have used this when I was a  
teacher.  I'll be using it with my son soon.


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From userev at canelasoftware.com  Mon Mar 20 19:39:10 2006
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:39:10 -0800
Subject: How can I keep selected text hilited?
In-Reply-To: <C0448A19.11970%reball@redshift.com>
References: <C0448A19.11970%reball@redshift.com>
Message-ID: <79CBDEB0-98A8-42D7-AE2E-89A4CDBF9736@canelasoftware.com>


On Mar 20, 2006, at 4:34 PM, Dr. Robert E. Ball wrote:

> Dan and Mark -- thank you so much. The selectionChanged was exactly  
> what I
> needed, but with the backgroundColor changed to yellow, not the
> foregroundColor (which makes the text yellow, not the background).

Yup...the backgroundColor is a better choice.  I am working on a  
better way to reset it in the event a user accidentally highlites  
something by accident.  I'll post it in a moment once it work a bit  
better.  I just crashed Rev 2.6.1 working on this.  That is another  
issue though.


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From userev at canelasoftware.com  Mon Mar 20 19:50:41 2006
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:50:41 -0800
Subject: How can I keep selected text hilited?
In-Reply-To: <C0448A19.11970%reball@redshift.com>
References: <C0448A19.11970%reball@redshift.com>
Message-ID: <0F9E1F5A-AF30-4BE2-AE82-7060F5DB1C6E@canelasoftware.com>


On Mar 20, 2006, at 4:34 PM, Dr. Robert E. Ball wrote:

> Dan and Mark -- thank you so much. The selectionChanged was exactly  
> what I
> needed, but with the backgroundColor changed to yellow, not the
> foregroundColor (which makes the text yellow, not the background).


Give this a try:

on selectionChanged
     if the backGroundColor of the selectedChunk is 255,255,0 then
         set the backGroundColor of the selectedChunk to 255,255,255
     else
         set the backGroundColor of the selectedChunk to 255,255,0
     end if
end selectionChanged


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Mar 20 21:20:15 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:20:15 +1000
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <118F8A6C-B82B-11DA-B811-0030657E1638@pon.net>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>
	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>
	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net> <441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<f99b52860603200429u51ddbf5bmf6f9d852bcd0e14@mail.gmail.com>
	<118F8A6C-B82B-11DA-B811-0030657E1638@pon.net>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603201820uf9f3fb3t3102335a4c04f1e5@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/21/06, Rob Cozens <rcozens at pon.net> wrote:
>
> G'day Sarah,
>
> > In my experience, it's probably due to never passing values by
> > reference.
>
> I'm curious as to why you eschew passing by reference.
>
> If one needs to pass large variables, why incur the overhead of
> duplicating the value of the variable before passing it?  And if a
> variable value needed at one level is derived from a routine nested
> several calls deep, simply passing the variable by reference through
> the nested calls is the simplest way to get the value back to the
> original caller.
>

It's not a philosophy, more ignorance :-)

I haven't ever really tested it and I have an instinctive feeling that
functions should be self-sufficient and shouldn't change anything
outside them. Maybe it will suit me better in some circumstances.

Cheers,
Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Mar 20 21:22:04 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:22:04 +1000
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <F166CD1C-6FA5-4570-A8F4-01605044FE4F@inspiredlogic.com>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>
	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>
	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net> <441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<f99b52860603200429u51ddbf5bmf6f9d852bcd0e14@mail.gmail.com>
	<F166CD1C-6FA5-4570-A8F4-01605044FE4F@inspiredlogic.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603201822h59aa49f0pc9f2385278232883@mail.gmail.com>

Well I think you are right - there would be better ways to split out
segments of the script, and if I find more than one routine neededing
to do the same things, I go to the effort of doing it. However at the
moment, I am mainly concerned with converting HyperCard scripts to
Rev, and so I like to change as little as possible, to make sure I
don't mess anything up.

Cheers,
Sarah



On 3/21/06, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com> wrote:
> Do you have an example? I agree that if you end up passing in a
> handful of arguments by reference, you haven't accomplished much by
> breaking out the routine. The question is if there isn't a better way
> to slice the routine, where that wouldn't be necessary.
>
> On Mar 20, 2006, at 4:29 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>
> > In my experience, it's probably due to never passing values by
> > reference. If I am working on a routine that generates multiple
> > variables, then acts on them, it is easier to keep it all together
> > than to try and transfer more than one variable back & forth between
> > handlers & functions.
> >
> > A separate function is great if it only has to return one variable,
> > but as soon as it acts on more than one, I find it easier to leave
> > that code as part of the main handler.
> >
> > Of course, if a segment of code is used by more than one handler, it's
> > worth the effort to split it out, but otherwise, I'm not too fussed
> > about keeping handlers small. Good commenting can overcome any
> > problems interpreting it later :-)
>
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Mar 20 21:25:49 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:25:49 +1000
Subject: Dreamcard Won't Recognize Hypercard Stacks
In-Reply-To: <9C54B799-037A-42D1-8D3F-B2CFF9FDEBEF@idenrosenthal.com>
References: <9C54B799-037A-42D1-8D3F-B2CFF9FDEBEF@idenrosenthal.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603201825u17b2a405h955b06c515f6b475@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/21/06, Iden Rosenthal <iden at idenrosenthal.com> wrote:
> I have just installed Dreamcard 2.7 and tried to open some Hypercard
> Stacks to convert them. They are unrecognized (grayed) in the file
> open dialog. Is there something I've missed? The stacks will run in
> Hypercard Player under Classic mode in OS X 10.4.5. They won't open
> in either Oracle Card or Spinnaker Plus (message says they are "not
> okay"). I realize these last two have nothing to do with Dreamcard
> but I thought I'd mention it just in case anyone else out there has
> any experience there as well.


At the top of the Open stack dialog is a popup menu labelled "Enable".
You need to set this to "All stacks" to un-gray HyperCard stacks.

(In Windows, this may be at the bottom of the dialog, but I know on OS
X, it is at the top.)

Cheers,
Sarah


From mark at maseurope.net  Mon Mar 20 22:01:45 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 03:01:45 +0000
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860603201820uf9f3fb3t3102335a4c04f1e5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>
	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>
	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<f99b52860603200429u51ddbf5bmf6f9d852bcd0e14@mail.gmail.com>
	<118F8A6C-B82B-11DA-B811-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<f99b52860603201820uf9f3fb3t3102335a4c04f1e5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86CF3700-39CD-4501-AA40-03663072340A@maseurope.net>

I think the point is that when a variable is passed to a function/ 
handler 'normally', the data in it is duplicated, and if the data is  
big, this is not as efficient as passing it by reference - obviously,  
if you need to change the data in the called function/handler, this  
may have unwanted side-effects, in  which case passing it normally is  
going to be better.

Mark


On 21 Mar 2006, at 02:20, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> On 3/21/06, Rob Cozens <rcozens at pon.net> wrote:
>>
>> G'day Sarah,
>>
>>> In my experience, it's probably due to never passing values by
>>> reference.
>>
>> I'm curious as to why you eschew passing by reference.
>>
>> If one needs to pass large variables, why incur the overhead of
>> duplicating the value of the variable before passing it?  And if a
>> variable value needed at one level is derived from a routine nested
>> several calls deep, simply passing the variable by reference through
>> the nested calls is the simplest way to get the value back to the
>> original caller.
>>
>
> It's not a philosophy, more ignorance :-)
>
> I haven't ever really tested it and I have an instinctive feeling that
> functions should be self-sufficient and shouldn't change anything
> outside them. Maybe it will suit me better in some circumstances.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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From shaosean at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 20 22:37:15 2006
From: shaosean at hotmail.com (Sean Shao)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:37:15 -0500
Subject: [?] Mac Classic, 2.6.1, MySQL
In-Reply-To: <20060321012404.BF904825D17@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BAY105-F2278BE6578E7203D17036C3D80@phx.gbl>

I've tried building the application on two different Mac OS 9.2.2 machines 
(an old iMac and an old UMax ;-) but, as mentioned previously, the 
application crashes with an error of Type 1001 unless I switch the MySQL 
libraries then I get a "unsupported database type"..

So as it stands, I'm boned in this department...?  I'll try the 2.5 and the 
Valentina work-arounds to see if anything happens with that..

Thanks,
-Sean

_________________________________________________________________
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From jspencer78 at mac.com  Mon Mar 20 22:53:43 2006
From: jspencer78 at mac.com (James Spencer)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 21:53:43 -0600
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <86CF3700-39CD-4501-AA40-03663072340A@maseurope.net>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>
	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>
	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<f99b52860603200429u51ddbf5bmf6f9d852bcd0e14@mail.gmail.com>
	<118F8A6C-B82B-11DA-B811-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<f99b52860603201820uf9f3fb3t3102335a4c04f1e5@mail.gmail.com>
	<86CF3700-39CD-4501-AA40-03663072340A@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <FEA1F251-30A9-4F89-8679-F29811EB0C76@mac.com>


On Mar 20, 2006, at 9:01 PM, Mark Smith wrote:

> I think the point is that when a variable is passed to a function/ 
> handler 'normally', the data in it is duplicated, and if the data  
> is big, this is not as efficient as passing it by reference -  
> obviously, if you need to change the data in the called function/ 
> handler, this may have unwanted side-effects, in  which case  
> passing it normally is going to be better.

The problem you raise here is handled in more traditional languages  
by declaring the reference to be constant.  It strikes me that it  
would not be a big change to expand the use of the "constant"  
keyword.  Then in situations such as Sarah was talking about the  
handler/function would be declared as not changing the referred to  
variable, something like

on myHandler constant @pByReferenceParameter
   -- following then should cause compiler error
   add 1 to @pByReferenceParameter
end myHandler

There is, of course, another use for references besides the  
efficiency of not having to copy large data structures: returning  
more than one value.  This use doesn't suffer from the concern Sarah  
raises about having external effects as, when used this way, the  
parameter passed in should be empty.  There isn't, of course, any  
guarantee of this other than the caller being careful and writer of  
the called function being careful to document that the parameter is  
used for output only.

Spence

James P. Spencer
Rochester, MN

jspencer78 at mac.com

"Badges??  We don't need no stinkin badges!"



From davis.phil at comcast.net  Mon Mar 20 23:37:01 2006
From: davis.phil at comcast.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:37:01 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <86CF3700-39CD-4501-AA40-03663072340A@maseurope.net>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>	<f99b52860603200429u51ddbf5bmf6f9d852bcd0e14@mail.gmail.com>	<118F8A6C-B82B-11DA-B811-0030657E1638@pon.net>	<f99b52860603201820uf9f3fb3t3102335a4c04f1e5@mail.gmail.com>
	<86CF3700-39CD-4501-AA40-03663072340A@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <441F82ED.8050307@comcast.net>

Ever the metaphorical thinker, this reminds me of good gun safety 
practices (aka ways NOT to shoot yourself in the foot) - it's all in 
knowing how to control a powerful tool.

Phil Davis

(meant in a lighthearted way and limited strictly to the parallel 
observed - not intended to engender discussion/debate about guns)


Mark Smith wrote:
> I think the point is that when a variable is passed to a function/ 
> handler 'normally', the data in it is duplicated, and if the data is  
> big, this is not as efficient as passing it by reference - obviously,  
> if you need to change the data in the called function/handler, this  may 
> have unwanted side-effects, in  which case passing it normally is  going 
> to be better.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> On 21 Mar 2006, at 02:20, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> 
>> On 3/21/06, Rob Cozens <rcozens at pon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> G'day Sarah,
>>>
>>>> In my experience, it's probably due to never passing values by
>>>> reference.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm curious as to why you eschew passing by reference.
>>>
>>> If one needs to pass large variables, why incur the overhead of
>>> duplicating the value of the variable before passing it?  And if a
>>> variable value needed at one level is derived from a routine nested
>>> several calls deep, simply passing the variable by reference through
>>> the nested calls is the simplest way to get the value back to the
>>> original caller.
>>>
>>
>> It's not a philosophy, more ignorance :-)
>>
>> I haven't ever really tested it and I have an instinctive feeling that
>> functions should be self-sufficient and shouldn't change anything
>> outside them. Maybe it will suit me better in some circumstances.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Sarah
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From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Tue Mar 21 00:21:08 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 21:21:08 -0800
Subject: [OT] Another Bit of HyperHistory
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603202121l44434868nf93c76e9e0e63439@mail.gmail.com>

I'd forgotten until this evening that Ward Cunningham wrote the first
wikiwiki in HyperCard. I remember him telling me that way back when I was at
CNET but I somehow forgot it.

Here's an article that elucidates:

http://www.eweek.com/print_article2/0,1217,a=173863,00.asp


--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author
http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
>From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Mar 21 00:30:17 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 21:30:17 -0800
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <441F1F1E.6@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C04335B2.19415%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
	<4CE09A99-33A5-40A3-9AB4-0A1C36D1501D@inspiredlogic.com>
	<247424575.20060320103110@ahsoftware.net>
	<441F1F1E.6@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <9546971491.20060320213017@ahsoftware.net>

Jacque-

>> The best solution I've come up with for removing block comments is
>> 
>> put the script of SomeObject into tScript
>> put token 1 to -1 of tScript into tScript
>> 

> This sounded really cool, but I can't get it to work. :(

Really? What isn't it doing? For me it removes all comments that are
outside handlers (which is where my block comments are)...

-- 
 -Mark Wieder
  mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue Mar 21 01:00:37 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:00:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603201559q10397057k4e7ccde00468f5a7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603202135210.26136-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Holy Batcrap, Dan!

Like, is it a full moon?  Are the planets in alignment??  Did I miss a
supernova somewhere obvious???

:-)

You know, I have always held that rumours of our supposedly concrete
disagreement status are greatly exaggerated.

Yeah, I've seen something very like what you are talking about (Point No.
1, that is; probably the others as well).  Something very similar is why,
although funding has been approved, my FrankenLab won't be fixed anytime
soon, if at all.

As for your points 2 & 3 (which to me seem to be the samething), I've
seen that too.  While in the midst of a rather painful msidt (see how it
relates to midst???  msidt = master of science in instructional design and
technology; sorry for the pun; it was a really dreadful program), we
students were in the midst of this small (as in, *really* small) unit on
copyrighted materials and fair use in the classroom, and a rather vocal
seeming majority of my fellow students stridently held that their mission
to educate trumped basic property rights.  When I objected, I was
basically called a "pie in the sky" and "ivory tower" higher-ed type.

And I'll bet their software budget is bigger than mine.

Judy

On Mon, 20 Mar 2006, Dan Shafer wrote:

> OMG, Judy, two things we can agree on in, what?, less than a month? Perhaps
> the end of the cycle is imminent!
>
> :-)
>
> I spent two years once trying to sell a product into the "education market."
> (I use quotation marks because in my experience -- which may well have been
> unique for all I know -- there is no such thing as a "market" called
> "education".) Here's what I ran into (enough years ago that some of it may
> no longer be valid and it specifically applies to K-12, not secondary):
>
> 1.  The decision-maker is often hard to find. This was a real deal-blocker
> for us. I'm not kidding. In one case, we found out that the key decision
> maker in determing what software a school district (a large one, at that)
> would buy was the nephew of the superintendent who worked as an outside
> consultant. He wasn't on an org chart and we could not make a direct
> presentation to him. That was the extreme but it was only a matter of
> degree.
>
> 2.  Educators often cried poor-mouth, seeking deep, deep discounts that
> would have resulted in our inability to stay in business but then they also
> wanted reliable tech support (including pre-sale) and training.
>
> 3.  Too often, educators felt justified taking our proprietary software and
> duplicating it for their fellow educators, on the same basis as #2, i.e.,
> they were under-funded and under-paid.
>
> Now I'm not going to argue that educators are adequately compensated let
> alone overpaid. And I know that in the U.S. at least the priority we place
> on education in our budgets is horrific in contrast to the lip service we
> pay to the importance of education in our society. But even programmers have
> to eat (though they seem able to subsist of Jolt and Twinkies for extended
> periods of time, with the odd pizza tossed in for good measure.) But what
> does seem to me to be the case is that, as I think I hear you saying,
> educators seem (in general) to be OK with taking advantage of people who
> supply software technology to make their jobs easier but are not OK with
> others wishing to take advantage of their good nature as altruistic
> participants in the social discourse.
>
> And at the end, I just find this very interesting, not necessariiy negative
> or problematic.
>
> On 3/20/06, Judy Perry <jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu> wrote:
>
> I suspect that there are remarkably few educators who would apply
> to themselves the sentiment that they seem to demand of software
> developers.
>
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author
> http://www.shafermedia.com
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From aturban at qwest.net  Tue Mar 21 02:39:21 2006
From: aturban at qwest.net (Arthur Urban)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 00:39:21 -0700
Subject: Help with Arrays??
Message-ID: <441FADA9.9060801@qwest.net>

I don't know what the heck is going on here, but I know it's making me a 
wee bit testy. (I don't like needless local variables, what can I say...)

Here's the code that works just fine. Please note that I've confirmed 
the value of x, it is not the problem here. The function returns an Array.

    put MyFunc( x ) into theArray
    DisplayPurchaseLine x, theArray

The following code fails miserably passing empty for theArray argument; 
x is passed in just fine:

    DisplayPurchaseLine x, MyFunc( x )

Why do  I need to put the MyFunc() return value (an array) into a local 
variable first. It clearly makes it out of the function call, but cannot 
then immediately be used as a parameter. Huh?



From bobs at twft.com  Tue Mar 21 02:54:08 2006
From: bobs at twft.com (Robert Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:54:08 -0800
Subject: Table Column Widths
Message-ID: <1E354F3C-F705-4B5C-8C44-973B664ABA65@twft.com>

Is there any way to make a scrolling table field have column widths  
that vary? If not, is it possible to add object types so I can write  
my own, or has someone else already done this?

This is a good feature request I think. Trying to show 50 character  
fields next to fields with 2 or 3 and have them the same width is not  
going to be good in terms of maximizing the screen real estate I have  
to work with. Just a thought.

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM



From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Tue Mar 21 03:34:55 2006
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 00:34:55 -0800
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <9546971491.20060320213017@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <C044FAAF.1948F%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

On 3/20/06 9:30 PM, "Mark Wieder" <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

>>> The best solution I've come up with for removing block comments is
>>> 
>>> put the script of SomeObject into tScript
>>> put token 1 to -1 of tScript into tScript
>>> 
> 
>> This sounded really cool, but I can't get it to work. :(
> 
> Really? What isn't it doing? For me it removes all comments that are
> outside handlers (which is where my block comments are)...

That technique appears to me to work for block comments and line comments
that appear in the script either before the first compilable code or after
the last compilable code.  But it overlooks block and line comments that are
interspersed within the compilable code, and undelimited comments outside
handlers.

In contrast, a repeat loop through the tokens of the script does not see any
line comments anywhere in the script, and does not see the first lines of
any block comments.  In comparison, neither technique removes undelimited
comments outside handlers.

But tokenizing seems unrelated to the challenge of getting a handler from a
script, because it can lose the control structure of a handler.  For
example, consider the following handlers, whose bodies yield the same list
of tokens:

on a
  if the seconds mod 2 = 0 then ask the date;ask the time
end a

on b
  if the seconds mod 2 = 0 then ask the date
  ask the time
end b

Now that I'm considering the variety of valid circumstances for comments,
doomsayers Geoff, Alex, and David are sounding right about this challenge.
But there _ought_ to be a way...

I'd really like to be able to search selected scripts while optionally
ignoring all comments.

-- Dick




From katir at hindu.org  Tue Mar 21 04:38:25 2006
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:38:25 -1000
Subject: DRM for Images and Text in Stacks
In-Reply-To: <AE638787-1681-493F-AC60-8C4D65996A9A@canelasoftware.com>
References: <C033059A.371B8%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<B690EC9E-DBEB-4EFC-B1FD-12C0D6925708@hindu.org>
	<A175C2AC-6034-4A88-B13E-B3876C173B64@hindu.org>
	<p06230911c0409a9571b5@[192.168.1.103]>
	<6A2645BE-83C8-4A07-84A7-8240F4BDE087@canelasoftware.com>
	<AFD008B7-DD5D-496A-A967-7129F8C05700@hindu.org>
	<p06200702c0418ff6e22e@[10.0.0.42]>
	<8A57CA63-03B6-40ED-B19B-196E3EBE315D@hindu.org>
	<AE638787-1681-493F-AC60-8C4D65996A9A@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <5BCF2BE7-E4E4-4D49-885C-BE3FAD2162D1@hindu.org>

OK further testing I finally settled on a compromise taking Key Ray's  
suggestion but not using  compressed imageData,  I don't see any  
advantage (I could be missing something) to using compressed  
imageData over simple  jpg storage. Either format would be equally  
hackable...

I think this comes close to making the images at least some  what   
obscurely stored.

--create a substack
--import images into custom props as jpegs,
--One could put these props in something a "available" as a card  
property or something very obscure, like a transparent invisible  
graphic.
--set the uStuff1 of btn "obscureObject" to (url ("binfile:/somePath/ 
foo.jpg"))
--scripts then can call the images for display:
	 put the uStuff of btn "obscureObject" into img "DisplayImageNow"
-- then encrypt the stack with a password. (all this does is prevent  
another developer from seeing the scripts that display the custom prop)

That's about as  good as it gets, I think...some developer who was  
really, really intent on stealing your images might dig through every  
object in the stack, find the  object with custom props, surmise  
these were image data and extract them from the msg box... but this  
is a highly unlikely scenario... as our managing editor pointed out  
today in a staff meeting, discussing this very issue of how  much  
energy we need to put into protecting images, he said that all these  
years, anyone could make  some hi-res scans of our printed magazine  
and get a pretty decent image. But, no one  has actually done this.

Still, on principle, I think we need a strong DRM option and I have  
put in a feature request into bugzilla for simple  option to block  
access to a substack from inside the IDE... I still need to be able  
to say for example, to NewsCom photo agency (who we use a lot of  
photos from), or Thomas Kelly (world famous photographer who does  
shoots for us in India, Sri Lanka and Nepal) with a honest face: "No,  
people cannot extract the images, not even another revolution  
developer...you are welcome to test it yourself if you wish."

--right now I cannot do that....if our managing editor asks "are the  
images locked up," I have to say "well, almost...but not quite"

Sivakatirswami
Himalayan Academy Publications
www.HinduismToday.com



On Mar 20, 2006, at 10:46 AM, Mark Talluto wrote:

>>
>> mmm. I'm reviewing  all the memos to date on this and see you  
>> already mentioned this.
>>
>> OK yes, I think this is "doable"   I will try it. I wonder how  
>> hackable this could be from inside the IDE if one were to place  
>> that line into just the script of the substack "library"
>
>
> This will not work as all one has to do is lock the messages before  
> opening the stack.
>
>
> Mark Talluto
> -- 
> CANELA Software
> http://www.canelasoftware.com



From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Mar 21 05:37:29 2006
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:37:29 +0000
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <C044FAAF.1948F%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
References: <C044FAAF.1948F%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
Message-ID: <441FD769.6000503@tweedly.net>

I'll answer about the comments separately,when I've had more time  to 
think about it.
But - this one is quick ...

Dick Kriesel wrote:

>
>But tokenizing seems unrelated to the challenge of getting a handler from a
>script, because it can lose the control structure of a handler.  For
>example, consider the following handlers, whose bodies yield the same list
>of tokens:
>
>on a
>  if the seconds mod 2 = 0 then ask the date;ask the time
>end a
>
>on b
>  if the seconds mod 2 = 0 then ask the date
>  ask the time
>end b
>
>  
>
Those two bodies have the *same* meaning.

I suspect you have a different idea for what handler 'a' will do - in 
fact, it *always" ask the time.

To see this more clearly, try

> on mouseUp
>   if true then put "this" after msg; put "that" &cr after msg
>   if false then put "this" after msg; put "that" &cr after msg
> end mouseUp
>

-- 
Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net



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From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Tue Mar 21 05:47:13 2006
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:47:13 +0100
Subject: Acessing button scripts in a HC stack ?
Message-ID: <be0cffb34d1e4b455a18b1741cb2d45f@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Paris,

I want to port scripts from Hypercard into Rev 2.6.1, where
I can play with them to my hearts content, but all my attempts
have so far failed.

I can access the fields and their contents, but the word
"button" doesn't give any joy.

Does anybody have any ideas ?

-Francis

"Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"




From mark at maseurope.net  Tue Mar 21 05:49:24 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:49:24 +0000
Subject: Help with Arrays??
In-Reply-To: <441FADA9.9060801@qwest.net>
References: <441FADA9.9060801@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <089C39C7-44FC-497E-B2ED-106CF61BD625@maseurope.net>

Wow. The following meaningless script fails, (though it doesn't  
produce an error) ie. the result is simply 12 in the message box, the  
keys of the array are not sent to the message box...

on mouseUp
   showArray 12,makeArray(12)
end mouseUp

on showArray 12,tArray
   put x & cr & the keys of tArray
end showArray

function makeArray x
   repeat with n = 1 to x
     put 0 into tArray[n]
   end repeat
   return tArray
end makeArray


while

on mouseUp
   put makeArray(12) into tArray
   showArray 12,tArray
end mouseUp

works just fine...

Maybe this is a bug. Anyone else come across this?

Mark

On 21 Mar 2006, at 07:39, Arthur Urban wrote:

> I don't know what the heck is going on here, but I know it's making  
> me a wee bit testy. (I don't like needless local variables, what  
> can I say...)
>
> Here's the code that works just fine. Please note that I've  
> confirmed the value of x, it is not the problem here. The function  
> returns an Array.
>
>    put MyFunc( x ) into theArray
>    DisplayPurchaseLine x, theArray
>
> The following code fails miserably passing empty for theArray  
> argument; x is passed in just fine:
>
>    DisplayPurchaseLine x, MyFunc( x )
>
> Why do  I need to put the MyFunc() return value (an array) into a  
> local variable first. It clearly makes it out of the function call,  
> but cannot then immediately be used as a parameter. Huh?
>
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From mark at maseurope.net  Tue Mar 21 05:56:35 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:56:35 +0000
Subject: Help with Arrays??
In-Reply-To: <089C39C7-44FC-497E-B2ED-106CF61BD625@maseurope.net>
References: <441FADA9.9060801@qwest.net>
	<089C39C7-44FC-497E-B2ED-106CF61BD625@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <F04F8C67-F83F-4D18-A063-9C0B32521444@maseurope.net>

Sorry, typo (in message, not tested script):

on showArray 12,tArray
should be
on showArray x,tArray

Mark

On 21 Mar 2006, at 10:49, Mark Smith wrote:

> Wow. The following meaningless script fails, (though it doesn't  
> produce an error) ie. the result is simply 12 in the message box,  
> the keys of the array are not sent to the message box...
>
> on mouseUp
>   showArray 12,makeArray(12)
> end mouseUp
>
> on showArray 12,tArray
>   put x & cr & the keys of tArray
> end showArray
>
> function makeArray x
>   repeat with n = 1 to x
>     put 0 into tArray[n]
>   end repeat
>   return tArray
> end makeArray
>
>
> while
>
> on mouseUp
>   put makeArray(12) into tArray
>   showArray 12,tArray
> end mouseUp
>
> works just fine...
>
> Maybe this is a bug. Anyone else come across this?
>
> Mark
>
> On 21 Mar 2006, at 07:39, Arthur Urban wrote:
>
>> I don't know what the heck is going on here, but I know it's  
>> making me a wee bit testy. (I don't like needless local variables,  
>> what can I say...)
>>
>> Here's the code that works just fine. Please note that I've  
>> confirmed the value of x, it is not the problem here. The function  
>> returns an Array.
>>
>>    put MyFunc( x ) into theArray
>>    DisplayPurchaseLine x, theArray
>>
>> The following code fails miserably passing empty for theArray  
>> argument; x is passed in just fine:
>>
>>    DisplayPurchaseLine x, MyFunc( x )
>>
>> Why do  I need to put the MyFunc() return value (an array) into a  
>> local variable first. It clearly makes it out of the function  
>> call, but cannot then immediately be used as a parameter. Huh?
>>
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Mar 21 06:01:47 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:01:47 +1000
Subject: Acessing button scripts in a HC stack ?
In-Reply-To: <be0cffb34d1e4b455a18b1741cb2d45f@wanadoo.fr>
References: <be0cffb34d1e4b455a18b1741cb2d45f@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603210301u78231be8u3604a74a309d7d5d@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/21/06, Francis Nugent Dixon <effendi at wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> Hi from Paris,
>
> I want to port scripts from Hypercard into Rev 2.6.1, where
> I can play with them to my hearts content, but all my attempts
> have so far failed.
>
> I can access the fields and their contents, but the word
> "button" doesn't give any joy.
>

Are you opening the HyperCard stacks in Rev? If so, you should read
Jacque's excellent tutorial on the subject at
<http://www.hyperactivesw.com/mctutorial/index.html>.

Apart from that, I don't understand what you mean. Are you saying that
imported stacks don't have their buttons, or that the imported buttons
don't have scripts or what?

As a general rule, I recommend creating a new stack in Rev and copying
the scripts over with the necessary changes, instead of importing
directly, but I have had no major problems with either method.

Cheers,
Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Mar 21 06:08:00 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:08:00 +1000
Subject: Table Column Widths
In-Reply-To: <1E354F3C-F705-4B5C-8C44-973B664ABA65@twft.com>
References: <1E354F3C-F705-4B5C-8C44-973B664ABA65@twft.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603210308q164bcda4qbfed1a02170722e4@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/21/06, Robert Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
> Is there any way to make a scrolling table field have column widths
> that vary? If not, is it possible to add object types so I can write
> my own, or has someone else already done this?
>

If you don't need the fields to vary once set, you can just use the
tabStops, e.g.
  set the tabStops of fld "MyList" to "100,150,300,320,400"
will produce columns with widths 100, 50, 150, 20 and 80 with all
extra columns also being width 80.

If you need the column widths to be variable, then you need Chipp's
altFldHeader plugin which you can get from here:
<http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/default.htm>
Follow the links to altPlugins -> Downloads and you'll find it near
the bottom of the page.

Cheers,
Sarah


From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Tue Mar 21 07:31:33 2006
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 04:31:33 -0800
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <441FD769.6000503@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <C0453225.194BA%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

On 3/21/06 2:37 AM, "Alex Tweedly" <alex at tweedly.net> wrote:

> I suspect you have a different idea for what handler 'a' will do - in
> fact, it *always" ask the time.

You suspected correctly, Alex.  Thanks for finding another mistake.  That
example only shows that the list of tokens is insufficient to reproduce the
_appearance_ of the handler.

Despite that weak example, the point was that the list of tokens is
insufficient to reproduce the _semantics_ of the handler, and therefore not
useful to "get a handler from a script."  Here's a better-chosen example of
two handlers with different semantics but the same tokens for the bodies of
the handlers:

on a
  put "foo" into bar
  return bar
end a

on b
  put "foo" into bar
  return "bar"
end b

> I'll answer about the comments separately,when I've had more time  to
> think about it.

I'm looking forward to it.

-- Dick





From jimlyons at earthlink.net  Tue Mar 21 08:00:12 2006
From: jimlyons at earthlink.net (Jim Lyons)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:00:12 -0500
Subject: Draw spokes on a wheel
In-Reply-To: <28C864C6-76B0-4A05-A468-CD5F094F5C54@canelasoftware.com>
References: <20060318141758.8D5AD8265A9@mail.runrev.com>
	<p06230902c041ddd6760b@[10.0.1.2]>
	<28C864C6-76B0-4A05-A468-CD5F094F5C54@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <e53f999580fdda05a54ed150dd9b318e@earthlink.net>

Mark,
I used Revolution a couple of years ago to teach middle school kids 
interested in programming. Then I discovered NetLogo, an agent-based 
modelling system that traces its roots back to the original Logo. It is 
perfect for beginners, and has the advantage of immediate feedback and 
incremental development, just like HyperCard and Rev. It's free and 
being actively developed by the Center for Connected Learning at 
Northwestern University,

http://ccl.northwestern.edu/netlogo/

I think Rev might benefit from the addition of TG-type controls, but it 
seems like a long shot to me. I have built a tool in Rev to work with 
NetLogo files if anyone does take an interest. (It needs to be updated 
-- I can't keep up with them!)

Jim Lyons

On Mar 20, 2006, at 7:37 PM, Mark Talluto wrote:

>> Run Rev has expressed an interest in implementing TG in Revolution. 
>> Be nice to have a new control, a turtle control (multiple turtles 
>> like multiple graphic objects) that responds to the TG vocabulary.
>
> This would be very nice.  I could have used this when I was a teacher. 
>  I'll be using it with my son soon.



From jerry at hytext.com  Tue Mar 21 08:24:22 2006
From: jerry at hytext.com (Jerry Muelver)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:24:22 -0600
Subject: Draw spokes on a wheel
In-Reply-To: <e53f999580fdda05a54ed150dd9b318e@earthlink.net>
References: <20060318141758.8D5AD8265A9@mail.runrev.com>	<p06230902c041ddd6760b@[10.0.1.2]>	<28C864C6-76B0-4A05-A468-CD5F094F5C54@canelasoftware.com>
	<e53f999580fdda05a54ed150dd9b318e@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <441FFE86.9030806@hytext.com>



Jim Lyons wrote:
> Mark,
> I used Revolution a couple of years ago to teach middle school kids 
> interested in programming. Then I discovered NetLogo, an agent-based 
> modelling system that traces its roots back to the original Logo. It 
> is perfect for beginners, and has the advantage of immediate feedback 
> and incremental development, just like HyperCard and Rev. It's free 
> and being actively developed by the Center for Connected Learning at 
> Northwestern University,
>
> http://ccl.northwestern.edu/netlogo/
>
> I think Rev might benefit from the addition of TG-type controls, but 
> it seems like a long shot to me. I have built a tool in Rev to work 
> with NetLogo files if anyone does take an interest. (It needs to be 
> updated -- I can't keep up with them!)
Thanks for the link, Jim. I was in the process of putting together a 
list of features and functions for an introductory scripting language to 
be implemented in Revolution, and NetLogo will definitely help clarify 
my thinking.

---- Jerry Muelver


From martinblackman at gmail.com  Tue Mar 21 08:31:02 2006
From: martinblackman at gmail.com (Martin Blackman)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:31:02 +0800
Subject: application help file
Message-ID: <79d1bee70603210531l50cd7dbct@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone got any thoughts on building a help file for an application ?

I am considering making a pdf file using openoffice, which can build
in hyperlinks and bookmarks.  But I think the searching features
offered by traditional help files may be easier on the user.  The help
file will be medium sized, say 40-50 pages.

regards
Martin Blackman


From haripratap at kengroup.co.in  Tue Mar 21 08:35:35 2006
From: haripratap at kengroup.co.in (haripratap)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:05:35 +0530
Subject: application help file
References: <79d1bee70603210531l50cd7dbct@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000901c64cec$576caa90$7000a8c0@kms1>

What ever you Thought is better

and you are thinking about Search Option

even that option is Available with fre PDF readers

else you can use can  Create a
Class for this Module

where it can Even Fetch you with some Financial Reasource if
you release it as a Plugin


----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Blackman" <martinblackman at gmail.com>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 7:01 PM
Subject: application help file


Has anyone got any thoughts on building a help file for an application ?

I am considering making a pdf file using openoffice, which can build
in hyperlinks and bookmarks.  But I think the searching features
offered by traditional help files may be easier on the user.  The help
file will be medium sized, say 40-50 pages.

regards
Martin Blackman
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From wouter.abraham at scarlet.be  Tue Mar 21 08:58:46 2006
From: wouter.abraham at scarlet.be (Wouter)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:58:46 +0100
Subject: Get a handler from a script
Message-ID: <6B0024C3-E175-495E-927A-C7C6CD8CFD19@scarlet.be>

on Sun Mar 19 16:12:57 CST 2006 Geoff Canyon wrote:
>
> Unfortunately for anyone attempting this task, this is a perfectly
> valid script:
>
> /* this is a comment
> as is this */on mouseUp
>    answer "yes"
> end mouseUp

This style of commenting shows rev's inability to parse for handler  
names there after.
Have a look at the handler list field of the revscripteditor.
Take a multi handler script and comment the second handler like  
mentioned by Geoff above.
On reopening the same script in the editor, only the first handler  
will show in the handler list field.

Greetings,
Wouter


From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Mar 21 09:20:13 2006
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:20:13 +0000
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <C0453225.194BA%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
References: <C0453225.194BA%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
Message-ID: <44200B9D.1090206@tweedly.net>

Dick Kriesel wrote:

>On 3/21/06 2:37 AM, "Alex Tweedly" <alex at tweedly.net> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I suspect you have a different idea for what handler 'a' will do - in
>>fact, it *always" ask the time.
>>    
>>
>
>You suspected correctly, Alex.  Thanks for finding another mistake.  That
>example only shows that the list of tokens is insufficient to reproduce the
>_appearance_ of the handler.
>
>Despite that weak example, the point was that the list of tokens is
>insufficient to reproduce the _semantics_ of the handler, and therefore not
>useful to "get a handler from a script."  Here's a better-chosen example of
>two handlers with different semantics but the same tokens for the bodies of
>the handlers:
>
>  
>
But the interesting thing is that if you do something like
   token K1 to K2 of someScript
then it gives you the complete text between the char position of token 
K1 and the char position of token K2

I've uploaded a stack to revonline (username alextweedly, name 
FindHandler, category programming) which does this.
Moderately tested .... but not thoroughly. (btw - only for handlers - 
extension to functions, setprop, etc.. is easy)

The essence of the (short) version is

>
> function findhandler pScript, pHandler
>     put 0 into tStart
>     put 0 into tEnd
>     put 0 into i
>     put token 1 to -1 of pScript into pScript
>     repeat for each token t in pScript
>         add 1 to i
>         if t = "on" then
>             if token i+1 of pScript = pHandler then
>                 put i into tStart
>             end if
>         end if
>         if t = "end" then
>             if token i+1 of pScript = pHandler then
>                 put i into tEnd
>                 if tStart > 0 then exit repeat
>             end if
>         end if
>     end repeat
>     if tStart = 0 or tEnd = 0 then  return ""
>     
>     -- to simply return the handler text
>     return token tStart to tEnd+1 of pScript
>     
> end findhandler
>
Note that this fails to return any closing, trailing comment. For 
example, if the last line had been

>    end findhandler    -- end of function to do something

it would not have included the comment.

The stack includes another version which returns the line numbers of the 
start and end lines of the handler, and therefore allows you to include 
such trailing comments. It does not handle trailing, multi-line, block 
comments :-( but I'd regard a format like

   

>     
> end findhandler   /* some comment
>                               in here */

as particularly bad style.


NB This is still only a 99.99% solution. It will fail in the case where 
there is a multi-line block comment which includes a complete, EXACT 
copy of the handler being sought, and which precedes the handler in 
question. Since it must be an exact copy, then if you use this to 
duplicate the handler somewhere else, it will give the correct result 
anyway :-)


-- 
Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net

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From wouter.abraham at scarlet.be  Tue Mar 21 09:45:32 2006
From: wouter.abraham at scarlet.be (Wouter)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:45:32 +0100
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <6B0024C3-E175-495E-927A-C7C6CD8CFD19@scarlet.be>
References: <6B0024C3-E175-495E-927A-C7C6CD8CFD19@scarlet.be>
Message-ID: <B4441DD3-CA9F-4DD3-BEE5-CFF72A437A12@scarlet.be>

on Sun Mar 19 16:12:57 CST 2006 Geoff Canyon wrote:

> /* this is a comment
> as is this */on mouseUp
>    answer "yes"
> end mouseUp


Another problem with this kind of commenting is shown in the  
following cases:

/* this is a comment
as is this */-function whatever
return "something"
end whatever

/* this is a comment
as is this */--function whatever
return "something"
end whatever

Both will compile without throwing an error.
Only the second one is a valid comment

Greetings,
Wouter

PS another little update (beware of the mail line wraps):

function retrieveActiveHandlers pScript
   put true into tFlag
   repeat for each line i in pScript
     if char 1 to 2 of word 1 of i = "/*"  then
       put false into tFlag
     else if tFlag and token 1 of i is among the items of  
"on,function,setprop,getprop" then  put token 1 to -1 of  i & cr  
after tList
     else if tFlag = false then
       if (char 1 of word 1 of i is "#" or  char 1 of word 1 of i is  
"-" ) and "*/" is in i then
         put true into tFlag
         get  "/*" &i
         if tFlag and token 1 of it is among the items of  
"on,function,setprop,getprop" then
           put token 1 to -1 of  it & cr after tList
         end if
       else
         repeat for each token j in i
           if j is "*/"  then
             put true into tFlag
             get  "/*" &i
             if tFlag and token 1 of it is among the items of  
"on,function,setprop,getprop" then
               put token 1 to -1 of  it & cr after tList
               exit repeat
             end if
           end if
         end repeat
       end if
     end if --
   end repeat
   return tList
end retrieveActiveHandlers



From joeb at cogapp.com  Tue Mar 21 09:44:53 2006
From: joeb at cogapp.com (Joe Baskerville)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:44:53 +0000
Subject: linux sound issues
Message-ID: <44201165.6020701@cogapp.com>

hi all,

i have an issue with playing sound from a stack on linux. the 
documentation states that revolution uses xanim to play audio files, but 
as has been documented in many places, this is no longer in development 
and is tricky to install.

so im trying to use mplayer instead. the methods i've tried to get this 
working are:

creating a shell script called xanim, which is in the path, which passes 
any arguements onto mplayer. running this from the command line works 
fine, but its not being picked up by revolution.

i've also tried stating the audio/video player using the videoClipPlayer 
property, but this doesnt seem to work either.

has anybody had any luck with this? i can call mplayer (or the xanim 
script) using the shell function and it works fine, but i'd rather it 
used the internal play function.

any help would be appreciated,

cheers, joe.


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Mar 21 09:58:41 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 06:58:41 -0800
Subject: DRM for Images and Text in Stacks
Message-ID: <442014A1.5090707@fourthworld.com>

Sivakatirswami wrote:

> OK further testing I finally settled on a compromise taking Key Ray's  
> suggestion but not using  compressed imageData,  I don't see any  
> advantage (I could be missing something) to using compressed  
> imageData over simple  jpg storage. Either format would be equally  
> hackable...

If your security needs are modest, the fwPack and fwUnpack functions may 
be handy:

<http://www.revjournal.com/tutorials/handy-handlers-005.html>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Tue Mar 21 10:43:54 2006
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:43:54 -0700
Subject: HTML tags in XML
Message-ID: <F2CCD0E1-8554-45F8-A6F6-69AA2A49E998@byu.edu>

Hi Folks,

Is it possible to store html styled text in an xml document and then  
successfully retrieve the text with html markup intact?

I'm working on an application where I need to save styled text in an  
XML document. I can successfully insert the htmlText of the styled  
field into the xml document so I end up with a node that looks like  
this:

<comments>
Here are my comments.
Some of the text is colored <font color="#FF0000">red</font> &amp;  
<font color="#0000FF">blue</font>
</comments>

However, when I read this node in with the revXMLNodeContents()  
function the html tags are stripped out and all I get is naked text.  
Here's a code snippet:

     put revXMLNodeContents(vSessionTreeID,vCurrentComment) into  
tCommentTxt
     set the htmlText of fld "comments" of cd theCard of stack  
"ClipData" to tCommentTxt

When I examine the tCommentTxt variable in the variable watcher I see:

Here are my comments.
Some of the text is colored red & blue

Notice that it correctly rendered the ampersand entity. But the  
formatting is gone.

Is there a way to do this? Will I have to resort to saving the  
RTFtext in the xml node or something like that?

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From jhonken at x12.info  Tue Mar 21 11:03:03 2006
From: jhonken at x12.info (Jeff Honken)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:03:03 -0700
Subject: Combined Events
Message-ID: <000001c64d00$f1f5e2c0$670fa8c0@work1>


Is there any way to combine events so you don't have to have redundant
code.  I would like the same code to run on both the "on returnInField"
and "on mouseDown" events.  Jeff




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Mar 21 11:02:01 2006
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:02:01 -0800
Subject: Help with Arrays??
In-Reply-To: <441FADA9.9060801@qwest.net>
References: <441FADA9.9060801@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <68CBAA79-C744-4626-BCBA-385F735CBA81@mangomultimedia.com>

On Mar 20, 2006, at 11:39 PM, Arthur Urban wrote:

> I don't know what the heck is going on here, but I know it's making  
> me a wee bit testy. (I don't like needless local variables, what  
> can I say...)
>
> Here's the code that works just fine. Please note that I've  
> confirmed the value of x, it is not the problem here. The function  
> returns an Array.
>
>    put MyFunc( x ) into theArray
>    DisplayPurchaseLine x, theArray
>
> The following code fails miserably passing empty for theArray  
> argument; x is passed in just fine:
>
>    DisplayPurchaseLine x, MyFunc( x )
>
> Why do  I need to put the MyFunc() return value (an array) into a  
> local variable first. It clearly makes it out of the function call,  
> but cannot then immediately be used as a parameter. Huh?

I think that is just life when dealing with functions that return  
arrays.  You can't use the function as a parameter.  I will usually  
do something like this:

get MyFunc()
DisplayPurchaseLine x, it

This would be a nice enhancement request to add to Bugzilla.


-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems - http://www.bluemangolearning.com
trevor at bluemangolearning.com




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Mar 21 11:12:11 2006
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:12:11 -0800
Subject: HTML tags in XML
In-Reply-To: <F2CCD0E1-8554-45F8-A6F6-69AA2A49E998@byu.edu>
References: <F2CCD0E1-8554-45F8-A6F6-69AA2A49E998@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <7AE50979-887D-4EF7-8734-EA9E96D05D82@mangomultimedia.com>

On Mar 21, 2006, at 7:43 AM, Devin Asay wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> Is it possible to store html styled text in an xml document and  
> then successfully retrieve the text with html markup intact?
> ...
>
> <comments>
> Here are my comments.
> Some of the text is colored <font color="#FF0000">red</font> &amp;  
> <font color="#0000FF">blue</font>
> </comments>
> ...
>
> Is there a way to do this? Will I have to resort to saving the  
> RTFtext in the xml node or something like that?

Hi Devin,

You need to escape ", ', <, and < when entering data into an XML  
node.  I can't remember if RevXML has any handlers for this or if you  
just have to do it by hand.  For an example of the escape characters  
just do a Google search for "xml escape characters".

You may want to check out Ken Ray's XML library.  I haven't used it  
but browsing through the API, there is a stsXML_replaceEntities that  
looks like it would do what you want.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems - http://www.bluemangolearning.com
trevor at bluemangolearning.com




From wouter.abraham at scarlet.be  Tue Mar 21 11:13:27 2006
From: wouter.abraham at scarlet.be (Wouter)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:13:27 +0100
Subject: Combined Events
In-Reply-To: <000001c64d00$f1f5e2c0$670fa8c0@work1>
References: <000001c64d00$f1f5e2c0$670fa8c0@work1>
Message-ID: <8A86DD46-17BB-4385-AC7F-06D23B3AD239@scarlet.be>

for example:

on returninfield
   mousedown
end returninfield

Greetings,
Wouter

On 21 Mar 2006, at 17:03, Jeff Honken wrote:

>
> Is there any way to combine events so you don't have to have redundant
> code.  I would like the same code to run on both the "on  
> returnInField"
> and "on mouseDown" events.  Jeff



From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Mar 21 11:21:48 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:21:48 +0100
Subject: revXMLfindNodecontent
Message-ID: <747B1D9D-8FE4-4918-AB4D-2431445F4212@major-k.de>

Hi all,

I am currently working through the XML docs and am desparately  
looking for
something llike -> "revXMLfindNodeBycontent"

There is a "revXMLmatchingNode" but that only lets me find the node  
that has an
atrribute with a specific value!

Do I really have to cycle through the XMLtext or something line by  
line to find
a node by its content?

Please tell me it ain't so!!!! :-/


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From rcozens at pon.net  Tue Mar 21 11:31:43 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:31:43 -0800
Subject: Application Browser Anomaly
In-Reply-To: <D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
Message-ID: <2EBCE408-B8F8-11DA-BD42-0030657E1638@pon.net>

Hi All,

Rev 2.7; WinXP TPC 2005 Edition:

Both last night and now this morning I have done something that sets 
the Application Browser in a state such that double-clicking on a 
substack opens the script of the substack instead of opening the 
substack itself and double-clicking on a card of an unopened subStack 
opens the script of that card..

Last night I tried shutting down RR and restarting it without 
rebooting, but the problem was still there when I turned the computer 
off for the night.  This AM, double-clicking on any substack shown in 
the AB worked...for a while, then I found myself back opening scripts 
instead of opening substacks.  This time restarting RR solved the 
problem; but for how long?

Has anyone else experienced this?  Ideas, anyone?

I will note one possible issue:

The subStack I'm attempting to modify is Serendipity Library's 
"sdbDictionary."  At runtime it's opened as a modal dialog by the SDB 
Tools plugin, and it needs the initialization in SDB Tools to open 
correctly [there are issues with opening it directly from Serendipity 
Library, even with messages locked].  When opened this way, the AB 
shows sdbDictionary as a subStack of SDB Tools instead of Serendipity 
Library.

The problem is in editing a stack open in modal mode [BTW, debugging in 
modal stacks causes problems too--or at least it did in earlier Rev 
revs].  So my practice is to open sdbDictionary modally with SDB Tools, 
close it, open Serendipity Library, open the AB [where sdbDictionary is 
now listed as a subStack of both SDB Tools and Serendipity Library], 
and double-click on the subStack or one of its cards to open it for 
modification.

I have used this technique for a couple of years with earlier revs and 
not encountered a state where the AB opened the script of a subStack 
instead of the stack itself.  Could the problem lie here?

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From jhonken at x12.info  Tue Mar 21 11:39:39 2006
From: jhonken at x12.info (Jeff Honken)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:39:39 -0700
Subject: Combined Events
In-Reply-To: <8A86DD46-17BB-4385-AC7F-06D23B3AD239@scarlet.be>
Message-ID: <000701c64d06$0f0bc550$670fa8c0@work1>

Wouter,
  Thank you for the reply but I'm a little confused with your answer.  I
want the same code "answer Hello" to run in a field no matter if I click
on the field with the mouse or press the enter key in the field and I
don't want to:

on returnInField
    answer "Hello"
end returnInField

on mouseDown
  answer "Hello"
end mouseDown


What I would like is something like this that will work:

on returnInField or mouseDown
    answer "Hello"
end returnInField or mouseDown




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[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Wouter
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 9:13 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Combined Events

for example:

on returninfield
   mousedown
end returninfield

Greetings,
Wouter

On 21 Mar 2006, at 17:03, Jeff Honken wrote:

>
> Is there any way to combine events so you don't have to have redundant
> code.  I would like the same code to run on both the "on  
> returnInField"
> and "on mouseDown" events.  Jeff

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From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Tue Mar 21 11:38:52 2006
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:38:52 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860603201820uf9f3fb3t3102335a4c04f1e5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>
	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>
	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<f99b52860603200429u51ddbf5bmf6f9d852bcd0e14@mail.gmail.com>
	<118F8A6C-B82B-11DA-B811-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<f99b52860603201820uf9f3fb3t3102335a4c04f1e5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <394A827C-D1AE-4F18-B6EE-45A62E02F62B@inspiredlogic.com>


On Mar 20, 2006, at 6:20 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> I haven't ever really tested it and I have an instinctive feeling that
> functions should be self-sufficient and shouldn't change anything
> outside them. Maybe it will suit me better in some circumstances.

This is true, but passing by reference doesn't violate this,  
depending on how it's used. If you have a clear-cut function that  
operates on a value passed by reference because of its size, that's  
not a bad thing I don't think.

gc


From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Tue Mar 21 11:40:40 2006
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:40:40 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <02117863-B837-11DA-BF46-0030657E1638@pon.net>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<02117863-B837-11DA-BF46-0030657E1638@pon.net>
Message-ID: <97F32A0F-F818-4A02-A0D6-39F8E8E9329F@inspiredlogic.com>

Wow -- so what does this do?

On Mar 20, 2006, at 9:28 AM, Rob Cozens wrote:

> Hi Geoff,
>
>
>> Out of curiosity, do you have an example handy of a long handler  
>> that you think makes more sense to keep together than to break up?  
>> Or one that you think can't be broken up without significant  
>> effort to do it?
>>
>
> on findSDBRecord  
> @sdbBuffer,exactKey,fieldDelimiter,itemList,setPosition,searchForward, 
> searchCriteria,cutoffKey,recordDelimiter,unlockRecord
>   -- 28 Feb 04:RCC
>   if ipcMode is not "dc" then -- "dc" = single user direct connection
>     replace return with numToChar(29) in itemList
>     replace return with numToChar(29) in searchCriteria
>     requestSDBService sdbBuffer,"find",packArguments 
> (9,exactKey,fieldDelimiter,itemList,setPosition,searchForward,searchCr 
> iteria,cutoffKey,recordDelimiter,unlockRecord)
>     get the result
>     if not word 1 of it and setPosition then put word 4 of it into  
> sdbPosition
>     put it into sdbParameters
>     return it
>   else
>     if invalidSDBClient() then return true&return&sdbMessage 
> (sdbInvalidClientError,true)
>     if offset(return&sdbDbId&return,return&(the keys of indexList) 
> &return) = 0 then return true&return&sdbMessage(sdbDbIdError,true)
>     if exactKey is empty then put true into exactKey
>     put (fieldDelimiter is not empty) into retrieveData
>     if recordDelimiter is not empty then
>       put true into multipleRecords
>       put false into unlockRecords
>       put false into setPosition
>     else put false into multipleRecords
>     put (multipleRecords and not retrieveData) into countOnly
>     if setPosition is empty or retrieveData then put true into  
> setPosition
>     if searchForward is empty then put true into searchForward
>     put ((sdbWriteAccess is "Shared") and (unlockRecord is true))  
> into unlockRecord
>     put word 2 to 4 of sdbParameters into savedPosition
>     put justifyString(word 1 of sdbBuffer,4) into theRecordType
>     getSDBRecord sdbBuffer,exactKey,,,setPosition,retrieveData
>     get the result
>     put word 2 to -1 of line 1 of sdbBuffer into recordKey
>     if word 1 of it or (((recordKey > cutoffKey and searchForward)  
> or (recordKey < cutoffKey and not searchForward)) and cutoffKey is  
> not empty) then
>       put false&&savedPosition into sdbParameters
>       put false&&"0 0 0" into line 1 of it
>       return it
>     else
>       if unlockRecord and sdbWriteAccess is "Shared" then  
> deleteDbLock(word 4 of sdbParameters)
>       if not retrieveData and not multipleRecords then
>         put it into sdbParameters
>         return it
>       end if
>     end if
>     put word 4 of sdbParameters into oldPosition
>     put empty into returnRecord
>     put 0 into recordCount
>     repeat
>       put word 2 to -1 of line 1 of sdbBuffer into recordKey
>       if (recordKey > cutoffKey and searchForward) or (recordKey <  
> cutoffKey and not searchForward) then
>         put false into word 1 of sdbParameters
>         if countOnly then
>           put empty into sdbBuffer
>           return (word 1 to 3 of sdbParameters)&&recordCount
>         else
>           put theRecordType&&recordCount&return&returnRecord into  
> sdbBuffer
>           return (word 1 to 3 of sdbParameters)&&"0"
>         end if
>       end if
>       delete line 1 of sdbBuffer
>       if theSDBRecordMatches 
> (sdbBuffer,fieldDelimiter,searchCriteria) then
>         add 1 to recordCount
>         repeat for each line itemNumber in itemList
>           put sdbFieldNumber(itemNumber) into itemNumber
>           if itemNumber = 0 then put recordKey&fieldBelimiter after  
> returnRecord
>           else put getItem(itemNumber,fieldDelimiter,sdbBuffer) 
> &fieldDelimiter after returnRecord
>         end repeat
>         if multipleRecords then put recordDelimiter after returnRecord
>         else
>           put theRecordType&&recordKey&return&returnRecord into  
> sdbBuffer
>           return (word 1 to 3 of sdbParameters)
>         end if
>       end if
>       set cursor to busy
>       if searchForward then
>         if word 2 of sdbParameters < word 3 of sdbParameters then
>           put "+" into sdbBuffer
>           getSDBRecord sdbBuffer,exactKey,,,true,retrieveData
>           put the result into sdbParameters
>         else put true into sdbParameters
>       else
>         if word 2 of sdbParameters > 1 then
>           put "-" into sdbBuffer
>           getSDBRecord sdbBuffer,exactKey,,,true,retrieveData
>           put the result into sdbParameters
>         else put true into sdbParameters
>       end if
>       if word 1 of sdbParameters then
>         put false into word 1 of sdbParameters
>         put oldPosition into word 4 of sdbParameters
>         if countOnly then
>           put empty into sdbBuffer
>           return (word 1 to 3 of sdbParameters)&&recordCount
>         else
>           put theRecordType&&recordCount&return&returnRecord into  
> sdbBuffer
>           return (word 1 to 3 of sdbParameters)&&"0"
>         end if
>       else if not setPosition then put oldPosition into word 4 of  
> sdbParameters
>     end repeat
>   end if
> end findSDBRecord
>
> Note:
> 	stack local variables and constant declarations excluded.
> 	application requirement: calling syntax at server and client apps  
> must be identical...
> 		and identical with single user syntax
>
>> When you think of a long handler, do you generally think of it as  
>> having a single identifiable task, or do you think of it as being  
>> several tasks performed in sequence in one handler?
>
> I think of it as a task handler coordinating and calling on the  
> various subtasks necessary to complete the entire logical transaction.
>
> I write one-line handlers too, if the logic is to be used in  
> several places:
>
> on mouseTrapOn -- 3 Mar 04:RCC
>   insert the script of field "Mouse Trap" of card 1 of stack  
> "Serendipity_Library.rev" into front
> end mouseTrapOn
>
>
>>
>> On Mar 19, 2006, at 3:57 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
>>
>>> Yep, I've heard that before, but frankly, for me, I'd rather keep  
>>> it all in one, unless there's a really good reason to separate  
>>> into multiple handlers (as in creating more reusability). I find  
>>> it much easier to debug code I've written this way than hunting  
>>> through the message path for the 15 or so functions/handlers I've  
>>> written trying to make things 'more simple.' Just a difference in  
>>> coding style.
>>>
>>> In fact, typically I'll write code procedurally in a longer  
>>> handler, then only break it up if/when I know I need to do part  
>>> of the same thing again. Like most of us, I'd rather not code twice.
>>>
>>> Even though, I've got libraries with over 50 handlers/functions.
>>>
>>> -Chipp
>>>
>>> Mark Wieder wrote:
>>>> Geoff-
>>>> Saturday, March 18, 2006, 1:24:50 PM, you wrote:
>>>>> I've never seen a hundred-line routine that wouldn't be better as
>>>>> five twenty-line routines, each of which could be documented  
>>>>> with a
>>>>> line of code. Perhaps even ten ten-line routines.
>>
>>
>
> Rob Cozens
> CCW, Serendipity Software Company
>
> "And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
> Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."
>
> from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)
>
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From jonathandlynch at gmail.com  Tue Mar 21 11:55:06 2006
From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (Jonathan Lynch)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:55:06 -0500
Subject: Table Column Widths
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860603210308q164bcda4qbfed1a02170722e4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1E354F3C-F705-4B5C-8C44-973B664ABA65@twft.com>
	<f99b52860603210308q164bcda4qbfed1a02170722e4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <31e1938c0603210855p6a01690bv505b52d092d54577@mail.gmail.com>

Another option:

If you are using the table as a user interface, then I have a pseudo table
object that acts like a table should. It allows you to move columns and
rows, and resize columns, and insert and delete rows and columns, etc...

It can be found here:

http://revolution.widged.com/stacks/


(thanks to Marielle)

I would not use the pseudo table for mass data storage, because there is a
lot of memory usage and scripting involved in making the separate fields at
like fields in a table.


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Tue Mar 21 11:56:40 2006
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:56:40 -0700
Subject: HTML tags in XML
In-Reply-To: <7AE50979-887D-4EF7-8734-EA9E96D05D82@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <F2CCD0E1-8554-45F8-A6F6-69AA2A49E998@byu.edu>
	<7AE50979-887D-4EF7-8734-EA9E96D05D82@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <DECFFB56-936B-4893-966E-C61E74C32890@byu.edu>

On Mar 21, 2006, at 9:12 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> On Mar 21, 2006, at 7:43 AM, Devin Asay wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> Is it possible to store html styled text in an xml document and  
>> then successfully retrieve the text with html markup intact?

&lt;snip&gt;  ;-)

>> Is there a way to do this? Will I have to resort to saving the  
>> RTFtext in the xml node or something like that?
>
> Hi Devin,
>
> You need to escape ", ', <, and < when entering data into an XML  
> node.  I can't remember if RevXML has any handlers for this or if  
> you just have to do it by hand.  For an example of the escape  
> characters just do a Google search for "xml escape characters".
>
> You may want to check out Ken Ray's XML library.  I haven't used it  
> but browsing through the API, there is a stsXML_replaceEntities  
> that looks like it would do what you want.

Thanks Trevor. I already knew that I had to escape those characters,  
plus '&' when writing xml. You triggered a "Duh!" moment in my brain,  
as it dawned on me that I'd also have to escape those other  
characters in my html markup.

It's working now.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From wouter.abraham at scarlet.be  Tue Mar 21 11:57:31 2006
From: wouter.abraham at scarlet.be (Wouter)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:57:31 +0100
Subject: Combined Events
In-Reply-To: <000701c64d06$0f0bc550$670fa8c0@work1>
References: <000701c64d06$0f0bc550$670fa8c0@work1>
Message-ID: <CE2F6144-F25E-4BAD-BE21-B125A0E98282@scarlet.be>

Hi Jeff,

This should work if the locktext and the traversalon of the field are  
true:

on returnInField
     mousedown
end returnInField

on mouseDown
   answer "Hello" & cr & the millisecs
end mouseDown

W.

On 21 Mar 2006, at 17:39, Jeff Honken wrote:

> Wouter,
>   Thank you for the reply but I'm a little confused with your  
> answer.  I
> want the same code "answer Hello" to run in a field no matter if I  
> click
> on the field with the mouse or press the enter key in the field and I
> don't want to:
>
> on returnInField
>     answer "Hello"
> end returnInField
>
> on mouseDown
>   answer "Hello"
> end mouseDown
>
>
> What I would like is something like this that will work:
>
> on returnInField or mouseDown
>     answer "Hello"
> end returnInField or mouseDown


From dam-pro.girard at laposte.net  Tue Mar 21 11:58:00 2006
From: dam-pro.girard at laposte.net (Girard Damien)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:58:00 +0100
Subject: linux sound issues
In-Reply-To: <44201165.6020701@cogapp.com>
References: <44201165.6020701@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <op.s6rv2yzgjdmo9t@white-side>

Hi joe,

The media support under runrev under Linux/Unix is really poor (compared  
to Windows or MacOS X).

There is a enchancement request about that, please vote for him :

http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2290

--
You will cannot play a video file in your stack with your trick, If you  
want
an audio support, you will have to write some scripts and to manually call  
mplayer.

And you cannot create a plugins for Revolution in C++, because the  
Revolution Linux/Unix
engine doesn't support that (compared to Windows or MacOS X).

Regards,

Girard Damien.



Le Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:44:53 +0100, Joe Baskerville <joeb at cogapp.com> a  
?crit:

> hi all,
>
> i have an issue with playing sound from a stack on linux. the  
> documentation states that revolution uses xanim to play audio files, but  
> as has been documented in many places, this is no longer in development  
> and is tricky to install.
>
> so im trying to use mplayer instead. the methods i've tried to get this  
> working are:
>
> creating a shell script called xanim, which is in the path, which passes  
> any arguements onto mplayer. running this from the command line works  
> fine, but its not being picked up by revolution.
>
> i've also tried stating the audio/video player using the videoClipPlayer  
> property, but this doesnt seem to work either.
>
> has anybody had any luck with this? i can call mplayer (or the xanim  
> script) using the shell function and it works fine, but i'd rather it  
> used the internal play function.
>
> any help would be appreciated,
>
> cheers, joe.
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From bobs at twft.com  Tue Mar 21 12:00:53 2006
From: bobs at twft.com (Robert Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:00:53 -0800
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 30, Issue 54
In-Reply-To: <20060321151139.C9AB1825422@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060321151139.C9AB1825422@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3183E813-5669-4C92-9487-D81A47876CB5@twft.com>

Wow thanks Sarah that is huge! I didn't see that anywhere in the docs  
but I probably didn't look closely enough.

But no I have an odd thing happenning. I can only set columns widths  
up to 120. Anything over is interpreted as width-120 so that if I set  
the width to 125 I get a column 5 pixels wide. Odd huh? There is  
probably a max width for the columns property I need to set. I will  
dig around. I am going to have to get used to that again.

Viva le Hyperca... err....  REVOLUTION!

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM

On Mar 21, 2006, at 7:11 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

> On 3/21/06, Robert Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
>
>> Is there any way to make a scrolling table field have column widths
>> that vary? If not, is it possible to add object types so I can write
>> my own, or has someone else already done this?
>>
>>
>
> If you don't need the fields to vary once set, you can just use the
> tabStops, e.g.
>   set the tabStops of fld "MyList" to "100,150,300,320,400"
> will produce columns with widths 100, 50, 150, 20 and 80 with all
> extra columns also being width 80.
>
> If you need the column widths to be variable, then you need Chipp's
> altFldHeader plugin which you can get from here:
> <http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/default.htm>
> Follow the links to altPlugins -> Downloads and you'll find it near
> the bottom of the page.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
>



From bobs at twft.com  Tue Mar 21 12:03:07 2006
From: bobs at twft.com (Robert Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:03:07 -0800
Subject: Database Conversion
Message-ID: <FD800C6A-B859-4D48-AD26-B101C9438D53@twft.com>

Does anyone know of any good dBase/Foxpro table to sql/Valentina  
conversion utilities? I can write one in Revolution I suppose, but I  
would have a lot of front end work to do first, and this project is  
already huge.

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 21 12:06:03 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:06:03 -0800
Subject: Combined Events
In-Reply-To: <000701c64d06$0f0bc550$670fa8c0@work1>
Message-ID: <C045727B.366B8%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

The usual practice is to make a handler either
a function or a procedure
that is called from either
more than one handler or
more than one event or
both events and handlers


> on returnInField
       hello
> end returnInField
> 
> on mouseDown
       hello
> end mouseDown

on hello
   play annoyingMusic.aif
   get word 1 of the long date
   answer "Hello, it's "& it
end hello

----------------
The following does not make sense in xTalk
on thisMessage or thatMessage

end thisMessage or thatMessage

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 3/21/06 8:39 AM, "Jeff Honken" <jhonken at x12.info> wrote:

> Wouter,
>   Thank you for the reply but I'm a little confused with your answer.  I
> want the same code "answer Hello" to run in a field no matter if I click
> on the field with the mouse or press the enter key in the field and I
> don't want to:
> 
> on returnInField
>     answer "Hello"
> end returnInField
> 
> on mouseDown
>   answer "Hello"
> end mouseDown
> 
> 
> What I would like is something like this that will work:
> 
> on returnInField or mouseDown
>     answer "Hello"
> end returnInField or mouseDown
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Wouter
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 9:13 AM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Combined Events
> 
> for example:
> 
> on returninfield
>    mousedown
> end returninfield
> 
> Greetings,
> Wouter
> 
> On 21 Mar 2006, at 17:03, Jeff Honken wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Is there any way to combine events so you don't have to have redundant
>> code.  I would like the same code to run on both the "on
>> returnInField"
>> and "on mouseDown" events.  Jeff
> 
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 21 12:09:18 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:09:18 -0800
Subject: Combined Events
In-Reply-To: <C045727B.366B8%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C045733E.366BB%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

oops. Too early in the morning.. wrong answer since I miss read the
question.



On 3/21/06 9:06 AM, "Jim Ault" <JimAultWins at yahoo.com> wrote:

> The usual practice is to make a handler either
> a function or a procedure
> that is called from either
> more than one handler or
> more than one event or
> both events and handlers
> 
> 
>> on returnInField
>        hello
>> end returnInField
>> 
>> on mouseDown
>        hello
>> end mouseDown
> 
> on hello
>    play annoyingMusic.aif
>    get word 1 of the long date
>    answer "Hello, it's "& it
> end hello
> 
> ----------------
> The following does not make sense in xTalk
> on thisMessage or thatMessage
> 
> end thisMessage or thatMessage
> 
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
> 
> On 3/21/06 8:39 AM, "Jeff Honken" <jhonken at x12.info> wrote:
> 
>> Wouter,
>>   Thank you for the reply but I'm a little confused with your answer.  I
>> want the same code "answer Hello" to run in a field no matter if I click
>> on the field with the mouse or press the enter key in the field and I
>> don't want to:
>> 
>> on returnInField
>>     answer "Hello"
>> end returnInField
>> 
>> on mouseDown
>>   answer "Hello"
>> end mouseDown
>> 
>> 
>> What I would like is something like this that will work:
>> 
>> on returnInField or mouseDown
>>     answer "Hello"
>> end returnInField or mouseDown
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
>> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Wouter
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 9:13 AM
>> To: How to use Revolution
>> Subject: Re: Combined Events
>> 
>> for example:
>> 
>> on returninfield
>>    mousedown
>> end returninfield
>> 
>> Greetings,
>> Wouter
>> 
>> On 21 Mar 2006, at 17:03, Jeff Honken wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Is there any way to combine events so you don't have to have redundant
>>> code.  I would like the same code to run on both the "on
>>> returnInField"
>>> and "on mouseDown" events.  Jeff
>> 
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>> 
>> 
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From simplsol at aol.com  Tue Mar 21 12:19:38 2006
From: simplsol at aol.com (simplsol at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:19:38 -0500
Subject: Acessing button scripts in a HC stack ?
In-Reply-To: <be0cffb34d1e4b455a18b1741cb2d45f@wanadoo.fr>
References: <be0cffb34d1e4b455a18b1741cb2d45f@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <8C81B22C4365AFF-1A64-1B2E@FWM-R20.sysops.aol.com>

Francis,
Have you converted the HC stack to a Rev stack (by opening it)?
In my experience this makes all of the scripts (including button 
scripts) accessible.
Paul Looney

-----Original Message-----
From: Francis Nugent Dixon <effendi at wanadoo.fr>
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Sent: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:47:13 +0100
Subject: Acessing button scripts in a HC stack ?

   Hi from Paris,?
?
 I want to port scripts from Hypercard into Rev 2.6.1, where?
 I can play with them to my hearts content, but all my attempts?
 have so far failed.?
?
 I can access the fields and their contents, but the word?
 "button" doesn't give any joy.?
?
 Does anybody have any ideas ??
?
 -Francis?
?
 "Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"?
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From simplsol at aol.com  Tue Mar 21 12:33:18 2006
From: simplsol at aol.com (simplsol at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:33:18 -0500
Subject: [?] Mac Classic, 2.6.1, MySQL
In-Reply-To: <BAY105-F2278BE6578E7203D17036C3D80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8C81B24ACF79FFF-1A64-1CA8@FWM-R20.sysops.aol.com>

Sean,
Permit me an "off the wall" question...
Do you REALLY need to support OS 9?
Any computer Apple has made since 1998 (8 years!) will run some flavor 
of OS X (although they probably need more RAM). The time and effort you 
would put into supporting OS 9 could be invested in making your OS X 
product even better - giving your customers another reason to make the 
move. OS 9 is dead, or at least dying, first there were new computers 
that would not boot into 9, then there were new computers that wouldn't 
run 9; as used and reburb computers run out there will be no OS 9 
options for your customers.
We had originally intended to port our HC business system to Rev in OS 
9 and OS X. Then we decided that the customers running OS 9 had a good 
business system they could continue to use (our current HC one). New 
customers and all current customers moving to OS X would not care about 
OS 9 compatibility.
Your situation may be different.
Just a thought.
Paul Looney

-----Original Message-----
From: Sean Shao <shaosean at hotmail.com>
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Sent: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:37:15 -0500
Subject: Re: [?] Mac Classic, 2.6.1, MySQL

    I've tried building the application on two different Mac OS 9.2.2 
machines (an old iMac and an old UMax ;-) but, as mentioned previously, 
the application crashes with an error of Type 1001 unless I switch the 
MySQL libraries then I get a "unsupported database type"..?
?
  So as it stands, I'm boned in this department...? I'll try the 2.5 and 
the Valentina work-arounds to see if anything happens with that..?
?
 Thanks,?
 -Sean?
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Mar 21 12:34:36 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:34:36 -0800
Subject: HTML tags in XML
In-Reply-To: <7AE50979-887D-4EF7-8734-EA9E96D05D82@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <F2CCD0E1-8554-45F8-A6F6-69AA2A49E998@byu.edu>
	<7AE50979-887D-4EF7-8734-EA9E96D05D82@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <525094265.20060321093436@ahsoftware.net>

Trevor-

Tuesday, March 21, 2006, 8:12:11 AM, you wrote:

> You need to escape ", ', <, and < when entering data into an XML
> node.  I can't remember if RevXML has any handlers for this or if you
> just have to do it by hand.  For an example of the escape characters
> just do a Google search for "xml escape characters".

I think urlEncode() will do the trick here.

-- 
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 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From a.calloway at callowaygreen.com  Tue Mar 21 12:35:44 2006
From: a.calloway at callowaygreen.com (Andy Calloway)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:35:44 -0000
Subject: Tabbed group background thingies
Message-ID: <000601c64d0d$e2c3bc70$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>

Having read a bit of Dan's book and gone through a couple of the RunRev
demos, I thought I'd try to apply what I'd just learned so I went back to a
stack with tabs on it. It's got three tabs and I've added some text fields,
buttons etc to some of them. It worked fine, click on a tab and the new
objects leap into view.
 
Then I got too cocky and added another tab between the first and second one.
Now, when I click on it, the items from the previous selected tab remain in
place where I would really expect it to be blank.
 
Have I missed something here?
 
Andy.


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Mar 21 12:41:03 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:41:03 -0600
Subject: HTML tags in XML
In-Reply-To: <F2CCD0E1-8554-45F8-A6F6-69AA2A49E998@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <C04596CF.38160%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/21/06 9:43 AM, "Devin Asay" <devin_asay at byu.edu> wrote:

> Is it possible to store html styled text in an xml document and then
> successfully retrieve the text with html markup intact?

Yes. You need to use a CDATA node instead of a normal element node. The
markup looks like this:

  <![CDATA[<b>This is my markup</b>]]>

You can put anything into a CDATA node - it's ignored by the parser. My XML
Library handles getting and setting CDATA information for a node quite
easily - if your XML looked like this:

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<root>
  <myHTML><![CDATA[<b>This is my markup</b>]]></myHTML>
</root>

You could get the data with:

  put stsXML_GetNodeData("/root/myHTML") into tHTML

and set it with stsXML_SetNodeData.

By keeping it as CDATA you don't need to replace characters to get what you
want...


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From jhonken at x12.info  Tue Mar 21 12:43:05 2006
From: jhonken at x12.info (Jeff Honken)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:43:05 -0700
Subject: Combined Events
In-Reply-To: <C045733E.366BB%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001c64d0e$e8bfc280$670fa8c0@work1>

Jim,
  That's exactly what I'm looking for but why on a windows box doesn't
the left mouse click work.  Here's the code:

on returnInField
  hello
end returnInField

on mouseDown theButton
  if theButton is 1 then
    hello
  else
  end if
end mouseDown 
 
 
on hello
  answer "Hello World"
end hello


Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ault
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 10:09 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Combined Events

oops. Too early in the morning.. wrong answer since I miss read the
question.



On 3/21/06 9:06 AM, "Jim Ault" <JimAultWins at yahoo.com> wrote:

> The usual practice is to make a handler either
> a function or a procedure
> that is called from either
> more than one handler or
> more than one event or
> both events and handlers
> 
> 
>> on returnInField
>        hello
>> end returnInField
>> 
>> on mouseDown
>        hello
>> end mouseDown
> 
> on hello
>    play annoyingMusic.aif
>    get word 1 of the long date
>    answer "Hello, it's "& it
> end hello
> 
> ----------------
> The following does not make sense in xTalk
> on thisMessage or thatMessage
> 
> end thisMessage or thatMessage
> 
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
> 
> On 3/21/06 8:39 AM, "Jeff Honken" <jhonken at x12.info> wrote:
> 
>> Wouter,
>>   Thank you for the reply but I'm a little confused with your answer.
I
>> want the same code "answer Hello" to run in a field no matter if I
click
>> on the field with the mouse or press the enter key in the field and I
>> don't want to:
>> 
>> on returnInField
>>     answer "Hello"
>> end returnInField
>> 
>> on mouseDown
>>   answer "Hello"
>> end mouseDown
>> 
>> 
>> What I would like is something like this that will work:
>> 
>> on returnInField or mouseDown
>>     answer "Hello"
>> end returnInField or mouseDown
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
>> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Wouter
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 9:13 AM
>> To: How to use Revolution
>> Subject: Re: Combined Events
>> 
>> for example:
>> 
>> on returninfield
>>    mousedown
>> end returninfield
>> 
>> Greetings,
>> Wouter
>> 
>> On 21 Mar 2006, at 17:03, Jeff Honken wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Is there any way to combine events so you don't have to have
redundant
>>> code.  I would like the same code to run on both the "on
>>> returnInField"
>>> and "on mouseDown" events.  Jeff
>> 
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Mar 21 12:43:36 2006
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:43:36 -0800
Subject: HTML tags in XML
In-Reply-To: <525094265.20060321093436@ahsoftware.net>
References: <F2CCD0E1-8554-45F8-A6F6-69AA2A49E998@byu.edu>
	<7AE50979-887D-4EF7-8734-EA9E96D05D82@mangomultimedia.com>
	<525094265.20060321093436@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <51629036-A03B-4B5D-A6F5-57D132F3F113@mangomultimedia.com>

On Mar 21, 2006, at 9:34 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Trevor-
>
> Tuesday, March 21, 2006, 8:12:11 AM, you wrote:
>
>> You need to escape ", ', <, and < when entering data into an XML
>> node.  I can't remember if RevXML has any handlers for this or if you
>> just have to do it by hand.  For an example of the escape characters
>> just do a Google search for "xml escape characters".
>
> I think urlEncode() will do the trick here.

I don't think this will work in this case.  For example, urlEncod 
("<p>hi</p>") would give you:

%3Cp%3Ehi%3C%2Fp%3E

When what you really want is:

&lt;p&gt;hi&lt;/p&gt;

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems - www.bluemangolearning.com
trevor at bluemangolearning.com




From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Mar 21 12:44:29 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:44:29 -0600
Subject: revXMLfindNodecontent
In-Reply-To: <747B1D9D-8FE4-4918-AB4D-2431445F4212@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <C045979D.38162%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/21/06 10:21 AM, "Klaus Major" <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I am currently working through the XML docs and am desparately
> looking for
> something llike -> "revXMLfindNodeBycontent"
> 
> There is a "revXMLmatchingNode" but that only lets me find the node
> that has an
> atrribute with a specific value!
> 
> Do I really have to cycle through the XMLtext or something line by
> line to find
> a node by its content?
> 
> Please tell me it ain't so!!!! :-/

Sorry, Klaus, AFAIK you can't find data information with the revXML DLL.
However...

<shameless  plug>

My newly-released XML Library 2.0 will let you do it -
"stsXML_FindNodesByData". And you can use it along with the revXML DLL with
no interaction issues.

  http://www.sonsothunder.com/products/xmllib/xmllib.htm

</shameless plug>


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Mar 21 12:49:00 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:49:00 +0100
Subject: revXMLfindNodecontent
In-Reply-To: <C045979D.38162%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C045979D.38162%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <8E609C8E-4577-478B-A8C8-DF34235E6F34@major-k.de>

Hi Ken,

> On 3/21/06 10:21 AM, "Klaus Major" <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I am currently working through the XML docs and am desparately
>> looking for
>> something llike -> "revXMLfindNodeBycontent"
>> There is a "revXMLmatchingNode" but that only lets me find the node
>> that has an
>> atrribute with a specific value!
>> Do I really have to cycle through the XMLtext or something line by
>> line to find
>> a node by its content?
>> Please tell me it ain't so!!!! :-/
>
> Sorry, Klaus, AFAIK you can't find data information with the revXML  
> DLL.

Damn!!! What a pity :-/

Hi Mark, please add this one to Rev 2.71, I think there is still time  
for this
and I really need it! ;-)

> However...
>
> <shameless  plug>
> My newly-released XML Library 2.0 will let you do it -
> "stsXML_FindNodesByData". And you can use it along with the revXML  
> DLL with
> no interaction issues.
>   http://www.sonsothunder.com/products/xmllib/xmllib.htm
> </shameless plug>

I know, Ken, i know, but I already paid several thousand bucks over  
the years for Rev
and cannot spend another 20 right now ;-)

> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Mar 21 12:51:32 2006
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:51:32 -0800
Subject: HTML tags in XML
In-Reply-To: <C04596CF.38160%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C04596CF.38160%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <01C00914-957C-4847-BC7B-A06B7209FFC9@mangomultimedia.com>

On Mar 21, 2006, at 9:41 AM, Ken Ray wrote:

>  My XML Library handles getting and setting CDATA information for a  
> node quite
> easily

Ken,

This is good to know.  The RevXML external doesn't handle CDATA, does  
it?  I seem to recall that when I tested using CDATA with RevXML it  
didn't work which is kind of a bummer.


-- 
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Blue Mango Learning Systems - www.bluemangolearning.com
trevor at bluemangolearning.com




From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Tue Mar 21 12:52:22 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:52:22 -0800
Subject: Tabbed group background thingies
In-Reply-To: <000601c64d0d$e2c3bc70$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>
References: <000601c64d0d$e2c3bc70$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603210952w2d37754p546f04d54756c79f@mail.gmail.com>

Probably you're just missing hide/show commands. That's the "trick" in
tabbed designs. Depending on how you've managed the tabs, you may need to do
that explicitly.

Check out the great tutorial at
http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/?r=revolution_didacticiels&l=en



On 3/21/06, Andy Calloway <a.calloway at callowaygreen.com> wrote:
>
> Having read a bit of Dan's book and gone through a couple of the RunRev
> demos, I thought I'd try to apply what I'd just learned so I went back to
> a
> stack with tabs on it. It's got three tabs and I've added some text
> fields,
> buttons etc to some of them. It worked fine, click on a tab and the new
> objects leap into view.
>
> Then I got too cocky and added another tab between the first and second
> one.
> Now, when I click on it, the items from the previous selected tab remain
> in
> place where I would really expect it to be blank.
>
> Have I missed something here?
>
> Andy.
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From ljk144 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 21 13:02:29 2006
From: ljk144 at gmail.com (Levi Kendall)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:02:29 -0500
Subject: Mac OS-X standalone from Windows machine
Message-ID: <f4ebb1950603211002k2f3c0f43g57fb6944945871af@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,
  I'm having a bit of a problem making a standalone application for OS-X
from a Windows machine.  Actually making it is not the problem really,
running it is.  The save to standalone works fine and I end up with what I
am assuming is the executeable in a structure that looks as such:

My Application.app \ Contents \ MacOS \ My Application

  What seems to be the problem is the file at the end "My Application" does
not get the execute flag set on it when being transfered to the OS-X
filesystem.  My current method of transport was simply to zip the entire
directory and then unzip the file on the Mac.  This would leave the
directory structure as is, which I'm assuming is necessary.  However the
problem is the "My Application" executeable needs to have CHMOD run on it in
order to properly execute because of the execute flag missing on the OS-X
filesystem.

  Does anyone have any solution to work around this?  Is it necessary to
have some kind of "installer" program to properly set this up on the OS-X
end?  Or is there another way to handle it?  If at all possible, I would
like to be able to handle this from the Windows machine, rather than
actually needing an OS-X box.

-Levi Kendall


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 21 13:12:16 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:12:16 -0800
Subject: Combined Events
In-Reply-To: <000001c64d0e$e8bfc280$670fa8c0@work1>
Message-ID: <C0458200.366DA%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Why are you using "theButton" as a parameter?

First, where is the mouseDown handler?

In the message path, it should be either
in the button or field the user clicks
or in the card, stack, or back script behind the button or field.

If the mouseDown handler is in the button or field, use
on mouseDown
since the button clicked is known.

If the mouseDown handler is in the card or stack script then use

on mouseDown
   answer the target
   if the target contains "button 1 " then
      -- a button was clicked and its number is 1
      ...do this
   end if
end mouseDown

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 3/21/06 9:43 AM, "Jeff Honken" <jhonken at x12.info> wrote:

> Jim,
>   That's exactly what I'm looking for but why on a windows box doesn't
> the left mouse click work.  Here's the code:
> 
> on returnInField
>   hello
> end returnInField
> 
> on mouseDown theButton
>   if theButton is 1 then
>     hello
>   else
>   end if
> end mouseDown 
>  
>  
> on hello
>   answer "Hello World"
> end hello
> 
> 
> Jeff
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ault
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 10:09 AM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Combined Events
> 
> oops. Too early in the morning.. wrong answer since I miss read the
> question.
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/21/06 9:06 AM, "Jim Ault" <JimAultWins at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> The usual practice is to make a handler either
>> a function or a procedure
>> that is called from either
>> more than one handler or
>> more than one event or
>> both events and handlers
>> 
>> 
>>> on returnInField
>>        hello
>>> end returnInField
>>> 
>>> on mouseDown
>>        hello
>>> end mouseDown
>> 
>> on hello
>>    play annoyingMusic.aif
>>    get word 1 of the long date
>>    answer "Hello, it's "& it
>> end hello
>> 
>> ----------------
>> The following does not make sense in xTalk
>> on thisMessage or thatMessage
>> 
>> end thisMessage or thatMessage
>> 
>> Jim Ault
>> Las Vegas
>> 
>> On 3/21/06 8:39 AM, "Jeff Honken" <jhonken at x12.info> wrote:
>> 
>>> Wouter,
>>>   Thank you for the reply but I'm a little confused with your answer.
> I
>>> want the same code "answer Hello" to run in a field no matter if I
> click
>>> on the field with the mouse or press the enter key in the field and I
>>> don't want to:
>>> 
>>> on returnInField
>>>     answer "Hello"
>>> end returnInField
>>> 
>>> on mouseDown
>>>   answer "Hello"
>>> end mouseDown
>>> 
>>> 
>>> What I would like is something like this that will work:
>>> 
>>> on returnInField or mouseDown
>>>     answer "Hello"
>>> end returnInField or mouseDown
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
>>> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Wouter
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 9:13 AM
>>> To: How to use Revolution
>>> Subject: Re: Combined Events
>>> 
>>> for example:
>>> 
>>> on returninfield
>>>    mousedown
>>> end returninfield
>>> 
>>> Greetings,
>>> Wouter
>>> 
>>> On 21 Mar 2006, at 17:03, Jeff Honken wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Is there any way to combine events so you don't have to have
> redundant
>>>> code.  I would like the same code to run on both the "on
>>>> returnInField"
>>>> and "on mouseDown" events.  Jeff
>>> 
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Mar 21 13:16:42 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:16:42 -0600
Subject: revXMLfindNodecontent
In-Reply-To: <8E609C8E-4577-478B-A8C8-DF34235E6F34@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <C0459F2A.38176%kray@sonsothunder.com>


>> <shameless  plug>
>> My newly-released XML Library 2.0 will let you do it -
>> "stsXML_FindNodesByData". And you can use it along with the revXML
>> DLL with
>> no interaction issues.
>>   http://www.sonsothunder.com/products/xmllib/xmllib.htm
>> </shameless plug>
> 
> I know, Ken, i know, but I already paid several thousand bucks over
> the years for Rev
> and cannot spend another 20 right now ;-)

No need, Klaus - the Basic version of the Library will do the finding for
you for free - the only cost is when you need to "write" not "read". But
you're right that it should be made part of the revXML.DLL...


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From a.calloway at callowaygreen.com  Tue Mar 21 13:17:36 2006
From: a.calloway at callowaygreen.com (Andy Calloway)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:17:36 -0000
Subject: Tabbed group background thingies
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603210952w2d37754p546f04d54756c79f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001101c64d13$bb4b4ef0$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>

Ahh - It's down to not creating a new card by the looks of things. Now, how
to create a card and do a tab thing...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Dan Shafer
> Sent: 21 March 2006 17:52
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Tabbed group background thingies
> 
> Probably you're just missing hide/show commands. That's the 
> "trick" in tabbed designs. Depending on how you've managed 
> the tabs, you may need to do that explicitly.
> 
> Check out the great tutorial at
> http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/?r=revolution_didacticiels&l=en
> 
> 



From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Tue Mar 21 13:27:40 2006
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:27:40 +0200
Subject: Database Conversion
In-Reply-To: <FD800C6A-B859-4D48-AD26-B101C9438D53@twft.com>
Message-ID: <C046123C.4F420%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 3/21/06 7:03 PM, "Robert Sneidar" <bobs at twft.com> wrote:

Hi Robert,

> Does anyone know of any good dBase/Foxpro table to sql/Valentina
> conversion utilities?

> I can write one in Revolution I suppose, but I
> would have a lot of front end work to do first, and this project is
> already huge.

Valentina Studio can do ODBC import from anything have ODBC driver.


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]




From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Mar 21 13:30:31 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:30:31 -0600
Subject: HTML tags in XML
In-Reply-To: <01C00914-957C-4847-BC7B-A06B7209FFC9@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <C045A267.3817B%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/21/06 11:51 AM, "Trevor DeVore" <lists at mangomultimedia.com> wrote:

> On Mar 21, 2006, at 9:41 AM, Ken Ray wrote:
> 
>>  My XML Library handles getting and setting CDATA information for a
>> node quite
>> easily
> 
> Ken,
> 
> This is good to know.  The RevXML external doesn't handle CDATA, does
> it?  I seem to recall that when I tested using CDATA with RevXML it
> didn't work which is kind of a bummer.

Actually, you can *retrieve* CDATA with revXMLNodeContents, but you can't
*set* it. That's part of the reason I'm still updating my XML Library. ;-)

Here's an example:

Contents of Field 1:
----------------------
<?xml version="1.0"?>
<root>
    <test>
      <![CDATA[<b>This is a test</b>]]>
    </test>
</root>

put fld 1 into tXML
put revCreateXMLTree(tXML,true,true) into tID
put revXMLNodeContents(tID,"/root/test")

RETURNS:
   <b>This is a test</b>

put revXMLText(tID)

RETURNS:
  <?xml version="1.0"?>
  <root><test><![CDATA[<b>This is a test</b>]]></test></root>


Now, we try to set the data:

revPutIntoXMLNode tID,"/root/test","<b>This is another test</b>"
put revXMLText(tID)

RETURNS:
  <?xml version="1.0"?>
  <root><test>&lt;b&gt;This is another test&lt;/b&gt;</test></root>


Trying it with CDATA tags already around it:

revPutIntoXMLNode tID,"/root/test","<![CDATA[<b>This is another test</b>]]>"
put revXMLText(tID)

RETURNS:
  <?xml version="1.0"?>
  <root><test>&lt;![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;This is another
test&lt;/b&gt;]]&gt;</test></root>

HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com




From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Tue Mar 21 13:34:05 2006
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:34:05 +0200
Subject: [?] Mac Classic, 2.6.1, MySQL
In-Reply-To: <8C81B24ACF79FFF-1A64-1CA8@FWM-R20.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <C04613BD.4F425%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 3/21/06 7:33 PM, "simplsol at aol.com" <simplsol at aol.com> wrote:

> Sean,
> Permit me an "off the wall" question...
> Do you REALLY need to support OS 9?
> Any computer Apple has made since 1998 (8 years!) will run some flavor
> of OS X (although they probably need more RAM). The time and effort you
> would put into supporting OS 9 could be invested in making your OS X
> product even better - giving your customers another reason to make the
> move. OS 9 is dead, or at least dying, first there were new computers
> that would not boot into 9, then there were new computers that wouldn't
> run 9; as used and reburb computers run out there will be no OS 9
> options for your customers.
> We had originally intended to port our HC business system to Rev in OS
> 9 and OS X. Then we decided that the customers running OS 9 had a good
> business system they could continue to use (our current HC one). New
> customers and all current customers moving to OS X would not care about
> OS 9 compatibility.
> Your situation may be different.
> Just a thought.

I'd like support this point. :-)

It is impossible forever try support old, dead, dying versions of OS.

Apple itself have stop support OS9.
Microsoft have stop support even Win98 if I not mistaken.

I can understand if you support already existed app,
But develop new app for old hardware/OS is not best idea.

Forcing customers to upgrade old MACs you help Apple also :-)

You help self as developer, because it is dream for a developer to trash
this Zoo with Classic, Carbon, ... support, and leave only with OS X MACHO
version on MAC,and only Win XP version on Windows with their modern
features.

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Mar 21 13:42:07 2006
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:42:07 -0800
Subject: HTML tags in XML
In-Reply-To: <C045A267.3817B%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C045A267.3817B%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <71F347F1-C9C8-4259-8DF3-E2F6B1B9675B@mangomultimedia.com>

On Mar 21, 2006, at 10:30 AM, Ken Ray wrote:

> Actually, you can *retrieve* CDATA with revXMLNodeContents, but you  
> can't
> *set* it. That's part of the reason I'm still updating my XML  
> Library. ;-)
>
> ...
>
> Trying it with CDATA tags already around it:
>
> revPutIntoXMLNode tID,"/root/test","<![CDATA[<b>This is another  
> test</b>]]>"
> put revXMLText(tID)
>
> RETURNS:
>   <?xml version="1.0"?>
>   <root><test>&lt;![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;This is another
> test&lt;/b&gt;]]&gt;</test></root>

Thanks for the info Ken.  Your XML lib looks very cool.


-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems - www.bluemangolearning.com
trevor at bluemangolearning.com




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Mar 21 14:10:59 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:10:59 -0800
Subject: HTML tags in XML
In-Reply-To: <51629036-A03B-4B5D-A6F5-57D132F3F113@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <F2CCD0E1-8554-45F8-A6F6-69AA2A49E998@byu.edu>
	<7AE50979-887D-4EF7-8734-EA9E96D05D82@mangomultimedia.com>
	<525094265.20060321093436@ahsoftware.net>
	<51629036-A03B-4B5D-A6F5-57D132F3F113@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <11610878662.20060321111059@ahsoftware.net>

Trevor-

Tuesday, March 21, 2006, 9:43:36 AM, you wrote:

> On Mar 21, 2006, at 9:34 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

>> Trevor-
>>
>> Tuesday, March 21, 2006, 8:12:11 AM, you wrote:
>>
>>> You need to escape ", ', <, and < when entering data into an XML
>>> node.  I can't remember if RevXML has any handlers for this or if you
>>> just have to do it by hand.  For an example of the escape characters
>>> just do a Google search for "xml escape characters".
>>
>> I think urlEncode() will do the trick here.

> I don't think this will work in this case.  For example, urlEncod 
> ("<p>hi</p>") would give you:

> %3Cp%3Ehi%3C%2Fp%3E

> When what you really want is:

> &lt;p&gt;hi&lt;/p&gt;

Yes and no. As long as you have the data stored properly encoded then
you should be able to decode it on the way out:

set the htmlText of field "grunt" to urlDecode(xmlData)

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From joel.guillod at net2000.ch  Tue Mar 21 14:14:10 2006
From: joel.guillod at net2000.ch (Joel Guillod)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:14:10 +0100
Subject: revXMLfindNodecontent
In-Reply-To: <20060321172548.E83678258C9@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060321172548.E83678258C9@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <F64D0163-8E14-446F-A266-4B48AC9320B5@net2000.ch>

> Hi Ken,
>
>> On 3/21/06 10:21 AM, "Klaus Major" <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> I am currently working through the XML docs and am desparately
>>> looking for
>>> something llike -> "revXMLfindNodeBycontent"
>>> ...
>> Sorry, Klaus, AFAIK you can't find data information with the revXML
>> DLL.
>
> Damn!!! What a pity :-/
>
> Hi Mark, please add this one to Rev 2.71, I think there is still time
> for this and I really need it! ;-)

Are you dreaming Klaus? Or do you have preferential treatment from  
Runrev? If yes, kindly suggest the manager to (censured, I am wasting  
my time). Actually I filled an enhancement request (#1893) on  
2004-07-26 for a "revInsertXMLNode treeID,siblingPath,nodeContents"  
and sent a recall on 2005-12-12 but the status is still UNCONFIRMED!
So, be patient! I know that I practice medicine but usually not that  
side! Or build your own externals for xml, xpath, etc.
;o(  jg


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Mar 21 14:19:29 2006
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:19:29 -0800
Subject: HTML tags in XML
In-Reply-To: <11610878662.20060321111059@ahsoftware.net>
References: <F2CCD0E1-8554-45F8-A6F6-69AA2A49E998@byu.edu>
	<7AE50979-887D-4EF7-8734-EA9E96D05D82@mangomultimedia.com>
	<525094265.20060321093436@ahsoftware.net>
	<51629036-A03B-4B5D-A6F5-57D132F3F113@mangomultimedia.com>
	<11610878662.20060321111059@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <A9C0DB47-9153-4010-9921-6F3C25939456@mangomultimedia.com>

On Mar 21, 2006, at 11:10 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Yes and no. As long as you have the data stored properly encoded then
> you should be able to decode it on the way out:
>
> set the htmlText of field "grunt" to urlDecode(xmlData)

Oh, I see what you are getting at.  Yeah, that would work but  
wouldn't this only work if the XML was only used in Rev.  Wouldn't it  
cause problems for other software that tried to read your XML document?

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems - www.bluemangolearning.com
trevor at bluemangolearning.com




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Mar 21 14:24:50 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:24:50 -0600
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <C044FAAF.1948F%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
References: <C044FAAF.1948F%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
Message-ID: <44205302.1040902@hyperactivesw.com>

Dick Kriesel wrote:
> On 3/20/06 9:30 PM, "Mark Wieder" <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>>>>The best solution I've come up with for removing block comments is
>>>>
>>>>put the script of SomeObject into tScript
>>>>put token 1 to -1 of tScript into tScript
>>>>
>>
>>>This sounded really cool, but I can't get it to work. :(
>>
>>Really? What isn't it doing? For me it removes all comments that are
>>outside handlers (which is where my block comments are)...
> 
> 
> That technique appears to me to work for block comments and line comments
> that appear in the script either before the first compilable code or after
> the last compilable code.  But it overlooks block and line comments that are
> interspersed within the compilable code, and undelimited comments outside
> handlers.

That was it. I had put a block comment in the middle of the script.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Mar 21 14:48:54 2006
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:48:54 -0800
Subject: DRM for Images and Text in Stacks
In-Reply-To: <5BCF2BE7-E4E4-4D49-885C-BE3FAD2162D1@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <C04598A6.365F9%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Sivakatirswami wrote:

> I think this comes close to making the images at least some  what
> obscurely stored.
> 
> --create a substack
> --import images into custom props as jpegs,
> --One could put these props in something a "available" as a card
> property or something very obscure, like a transparent invisible
> graphic.
> --set the uStuff1 of btn "obscureObject" to (url ("binfile:/somePath/
> foo.jpg"))
> --scripts then can call the images for display:
> put the uStuff of btn "obscureObject" into img "DisplayImageNow"
> -- then encrypt the stack with a password. (all this does is prevent
> another developer from seeing the scripts that display the custom prop)

One thing you might want to consider is putting the image data into fields
as opposed to custom properties, the reason being that field contents are
encrypted along with the rest of the stack data when a stack is password
protected, while custom props are not.  You can still display images from
the fields' contents, and the fields themselves cannot be cut and pasted.

I don't know who you audience is but I would guess the likelihood of your
users owning a copy of Rev is lower than folks' ability to snoop around file
contents.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Mar 21 14:54:50 2006
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:54:50 -0800
Subject: DRM for Images and Text in Stacks
In-Reply-To: <C04598A6.365F9%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <C0459A0A.36600%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, I wrote:

> field contents are
> encrypted along with the rest of the stack data when a stack is password
> protected, while custom props are not

...or maybe custom props *are* encrypted.  That's weird, I could have sworn
that custom props were visible when viewing stack data in a text editor, but
now (Rev 2.6) it doesn't seem so.  Perhaps this used to be the case with
older versions of Rev.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From rcozens at pon.net  Tue Mar 21 14:59:26 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:59:26 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <97F32A0F-F818-4A02-A0D6-39F8E8E9329F@inspiredlogic.com>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<02117863-B837-11DA-BF46-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<97F32A0F-F818-4A02-A0D6-39F8E8E9329F@inspiredlogic.com>
Message-ID: <3362660E-B915-11DA-B8F4-0030657E1638@pon.net>

Hi Geoff ,

> Wow -- so what does this do?
>

 From Serendipity Reference:

 >>

The findSDBRecord command checks for the existence & locked/unlocked 
status of a record with the record type and key specified in line 1 of 
sdbBuffer.  It can also be used to unlock a record that was previously 
locked but not changed or to return a count of the number of records 
with certain field contents.

findSDBRecord is undoubtedly the most complex, but also the most 
powerful, SDB command.  It is the only SDB command that will retrieve 
information from multiple records in a single call.  As such, it is 
ideally suited to retrieve specified fields from a range of records for 
reporting or analysis.

exactKey (boolean) defaults to true, in which case findSDBRecord 
returns card id "0" if the exact key is not in the database; otherwise 
findSDBRecord will return the id for the record with the closest higher 
key of the specified record type.

If fieldDelimiter is empty findSDBRecord simply returns the Revolution 
card id of the record in word 4 of the result.  If fieldDelimiter is 
not empty, itemList contains a list of field references (one per line) 
to retrieve.  A field reference can take two forms:

* a number that resolves to the field's ordinal position in the record 
(0 = the record key)
* an SDB field reference ([Record Type]&":"&[dataname]), which the SDB 
handlers will resolve to a field ordinal.

These two forms of reference can be used interchangably EXCEPT for 
record types that have no Dictionary definition in the database.

findSDBRecord then puts a delimited list of the contents of the fields 
into lines 2 to -1 of sdbBuffer.

setPosition (boolean)  defaults to true.

unlockRecord (boolean) defaults to false.  If true and the record was 
locked by this user, it will be removed from the locked record table.

findSDBRecord can be passed search criteria that must be met before a 
record is retrieved, and instructed to search forward or backward from 
the key if the key's record does not meet the search criteria until the 
first acceptable record is found.

searchForward (boolean) determines search direction; default is true 
(forward).

searchCriteria contains one or more lines in the following format:
-- field reference,test,target,and/or
* field reference is the field's ordinal or Data Dictionary name, as 
defibed above.
* tests: "=" ,"<>" ,"in", "not in", "<", ">", "<=", or ">="
* target is the result to which the item is to be compared; it must be 
a value, not a reference to another field in the record
* "and" or "or" is not needed on last line of search criteria

Example search criteria (assumes the field is defined in Record Type, 
"TYPE" as dataname "department"):
		"TYPE:department",>,21,and
		"TYPE:department",<,34
Selects only records where the value of field "department" is between 
22 and 33.

If cutoffKey is not empty, findSDBRecord will discontinue the search 
when it encounters a record with a key > cutoffKey if searching forward 
or < cutoffKey if searching backward; otherwise the search will end 
with the first matching record if recordDelimiter is empty or the 
last/first record if it is not.

If recordDelimiter is empty, findSDBRecord returns information for the 
first matching record it encounters.  If recordDelimiter is not empty, 
findSDBRecord puts empty into sdbBuffer and returns the number of 
records matching the search criteria in word four of the rersult if the 
fieldDelimiter is empty; otherwise it returns the information for each 
matching record found between the key passed in sdbBuffer and cutoffKey 
or the last/first record of the specified record type.  This 
information will be found in lines 2 to -1 of sdbBuffer.  (The 
recordDelimiter is used to delimit individual records.)

Note that findSDBRecord will return a locked record error if the record 
exists but is locked by another user.

<<

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Mar 21 15:13:32 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:13:32 -0800
Subject: DRM for Images and Text in Stacks
Message-ID: <44205E6C.9070601@fourthworld.com>

Scott Rossi wrote:
> Recently, I wrote:
> 
>> field contents are
>> encrypted along with the rest of the stack data when a stack is password
>> protected, while custom props are not
> 
> ...or maybe custom props *are* encrypted.  That's weird, I could have sworn
> that custom props were visible when viewing stack data in a text editor, but
> now (Rev 2.6) it doesn't seem so.  Perhaps this used to be the case with
> older versions of Rev.

As I recall, when the possibilty of encrypting custom props along with 
scripts was brought up on the improve-rev list, it was shot down because 
it would kill access to those properties.

Fortunately a quick test here confirms what you've found: custom props 
are indeed encrypted when the password is set, but only on disk -- you 
can still view and edit the data from scripts, such as the IDE's.

So while it keeps people who don't have Rev from extracting data, it 
still leaves data vulnerable to those who do.

Isn't there a BZ request for SC-style password protection?  In SC 
setting the password prevents the stack from being opened in the IDE. 
If there isn't already a request for this maybe someone should post one, 
with recommendations on what that password property should be called.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From nicolas_cueto at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 21 16:44:23 2006
From: nicolas_cueto at yahoo.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 06:44:23 +0900
Subject: Draw spokes on a wheel
Message-ID: <027601c64d30$a15885e0$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>

> I think Rev might benefit from the addition of TG-type controls, but
it
> seems like a long shot to me. I have built a tool in Rev to work
with
> NetLogo files if anyone does take an interest. (It needs to be
updated
> -- I can't
> keep up with them!)

Please, Jim, I'm interested in the tool.
And if it's already at Rev Online's
"User spaces", what's your user
username?

BTW, what is "TG"?

Thanks.

--
Nicolas Cueto



From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Tue Mar 21 17:07:45 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:07:45 -0800
Subject: HTML tags in XML
In-Reply-To: <7AE50979-887D-4EF7-8734-EA9E96D05D82@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <F2CCD0E1-8554-45F8-A6F6-69AA2A49E998@byu.edu>
	<7AE50979-887D-4EF7-8734-EA9E96D05D82@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <p0623093ac04628e4a48a@[192.168.1.103]>

See if URLEncode() and URLDecode() will package and recover your text 
and/or htmltext to XML's liking...it works for me on other stuff...

sqb

>On Mar 21, 2006, at 7:43 AM, Devin Asay wrote:
>
>>Hi Folks,
>>
>>Is it possible to store html styled text in an xml document and 
>>then successfully retrieve the text with html markup intact?
>>...
>>
>><comments>
>>Here are my comments.
>>Some of the text is colored <font color="#FF0000">red</font> &amp; 
>><font color="#0000FF">blue</font>
>></comments>
>>...
>>
>>Is there a way to do this? Will I have to resort to saving the 
>>RTFtext in the xml node or something like that?
>
>Hi Devin,
>
>You need to escape ", ', <, and < when entering data into an XML 
>node.  I can't remember if RevXML has any handlers for this or if 
>you just have to do it by hand.  For an example of the escape 
>characters just do a Google search for "xml escape characters".
>
>You may want to check out Ken Ray's XML library.  I haven't used it 
>but browsing through the API, there is a stsXML_replaceEntities that 
>looks like it would do what you want.
>
>--
>Trevor DeVore
>Blue Mango Learning Systems - http://www.bluemangolearning.com
>trevor at bluemangolearning.com

-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -


From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Tue Mar 21 17:31:13 2006
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 23:31:13 +0100
Subject: Acessing button scripts in a HC stack ?
Message-ID: <54a21a42b9e045b402ba40068148a197@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Paris,

I thought that I had been explicit, but apparently not !

 From a Rev 2.6.1 stack, I want to open a HC stack (at the
same time), examine it visually, type a name into a field in
the Rev stack which corresponds to a button that I see in
the HC stack. Then I want to hit a button in the Rev stack
which picks up the script from that button in the HC stack,
and returns it to the Rev stack where I can play with it, using
a Rev script.

I also want to do the same with scripts from fields.

"Reasonable request - no other interest"
  (Only the very best - Tycoon - 1992 - Peter Kingsbery)

Please don't ask me why I don't use "Cut" and "Paste" .....

All of this is with the object of automating (as far as I can)
my HC to Rev conversions. Building the stacks is a piece
of cake with Rev, but modifying the scripts is a pain, so I do
it ...... using a script ..... of course ! My problem is bringing
the script over to Rev .....

-Francis

"Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"




From userev at canelasoftware.com  Tue Mar 21 17:48:51 2006
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:48:51 -0800
Subject: Draw spokes on a wheel
In-Reply-To: <e53f999580fdda05a54ed150dd9b318e@earthlink.net>
References: <20060318141758.8D5AD8265A9@mail.runrev.com>
	<p06230902c041ddd6760b@[10.0.1.2]>
	<28C864C6-76B0-4A05-A468-CD5F094F5C54@canelasoftware.com>
	<e53f999580fdda05a54ed150dd9b318e@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <893F4D2D-203A-4BBF-A1F7-41272B209CC5@canelasoftware.com>


On Mar 21, 2006, at 5:00 AM, Jim Lyons wrote:

> I used Revolution a couple of years ago to teach middle school kids  
> interested in programming. Then I discovered NetLogo, an agent- 
> based modelling system that traces its roots back to the original  
> Logo. It is perfect for beginners, and has the advantage of  
> immediate feedback and incremental development, just like HyperCard  
> and Rev. It's free and being actively developed by the Center for  
> Connected Learning at Northwestern University,
>
> http://ccl.northwestern.edu/netlogo/


Hi Jim,

Thanks for the link.  I'll take a look at it.  Sounds interesting.

Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From userev at canelasoftware.com  Tue Mar 21 17:49:24 2006
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:49:24 -0800
Subject: Draw spokes on a wheel
In-Reply-To: <027601c64d30$a15885e0$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>
References: <027601c64d30$a15885e0$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>
Message-ID: <424E116E-B302-4D47-BF00-47E965F46547@canelasoftware.com>


On Mar 21, 2006, at 1:44 PM, Nicolas Cueto wrote:

> BTW, what is "TG"?


Turtle Graphics.


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From fde101 at fjrhome.net  Tue Mar 21 17:52:46 2006
From: fde101 at fjrhome.net (Frank D. Engel, Jr.)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:52:46 -0500
Subject: Printing DLOG on Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <09E7AF08-D67E-46DD-9243-58A67425997F@major-k.de>
References: <5A414349-3F98-4249-AEC0-12B4B55A2B11@skynet.be>
	<09E7AF08-D67E-46DD-9243-58A67425997F@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <2b75c0835dce82c54065bf1a0e41a1f3@fjrhome.net>

Other OS X programs can do this (Apple's Mail program, for example)...

On Feb 17, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Klaus Major wrote:

> Hi Yves,
>
>> Hi list
>>
>> is there a way to get the printing DLOG on mac OS X appearing in 
>> sheet mode ?
>
> I'm not sure, but iI think this is not possible since the dialogs do 
> not "belong" to Rev.
>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Greetings.
>>
>> Yves COPPE
>> yvescoppe at skynet.be
>
> Regards
>
> Klaus Major
> klaus at major-k.de
> http://www.major-k.de
>
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> subscription preferences:
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>
-----------------------------------------------------------
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$



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From Cubist at aol.com  Tue Mar 21 18:26:47 2006
From: Cubist at aol.com (Cubist at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:26:47 EST
Subject: Combined Events
Message-ID: <2b6.70245f0.3151e5b7@aol.com>

In a message dated 3/21/06 8:14:18 AM, "Jeff Honken" <jhonken at x12.info> 
writes:
>Is there any way to combine events so you don't have to have redundant
>code.  I would like the same code to run on both the "on returnInField"
>and "on mouseDown" events.  Jeff
   In general, the solution to this problem looks something like this:

on returnInfield
  DoStuff
end returnInField

on mouseDown
  DoStuff
end mouseDown

on DoStuff
  real code goes here
  code real here goes
  here code real goes
end DoStuff

  Hope this helps...


From bridgeyman at gmail.com  Tue Mar 21 18:41:01 2006
From: bridgeyman at gmail.com (Bridger Maxwell)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:41:01 -0700
Subject: Acessing button scripts in a HC stack ?
In-Reply-To: <54a21a42b9e045b402ba40068148a197@wanadoo.fr>
References: <54a21a42b9e045b402ba40068148a197@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <86ae76bb0603211541m1a258218hf56db12b368700b6@mail.gmail.com>

Try using AppleEvents.  I don't have a mac nearby to test it on, but I have
seen it work.  I don't think the Hypercard program needs to have a handler
to receive this.

request "the script of btn " & (cd fld "ButtonName) from program "Hypercard"

On 3/21/06, Francis Nugent Dixon <effendi at wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
> Hi from Paris,
>
> I thought that I had been explicit, but apparently not !
>
> From a Rev 2.6.1 stack, I want to open a HC stack (at the
> same time), examine it visually, type a name into a field in
> the Rev stack which corresponds to a button that I see in
> the HC stack. Then I want to hit a button in the Rev stack
> which picks up the script from that button in the HC stack,
> and returns it to the Rev stack where I can play with it, using
> a Rev script.
>
> I also want to do the same with scripts from fields.
>
> "Reasonable request - no other interest"
>   (Only the very best - Tycoon - 1992 - Peter Kingsbery)
>
> Please don't ask me why I don't use "Cut" and "Paste" .....
>
> All of this is with the object of automating (as far as I can)
> my HC to Rev conversions. Building the stacks is a piece
> of cake with Rev, but modifying the scripts is a pain, so I do
> it ...... using a script ..... of course ! My problem is bringing
> the script over to Rev .....
>
> -Francis
>
> "Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Mar 21 18:57:22 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:57:22 +1000
Subject: Application Browser Anomaly
In-Reply-To: <2EBCE408-B8F8-11DA-BD42-0030657E1638@pon.net>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>
	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>
	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net> <441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<2EBCE408-B8F8-11DA-BD42-0030657E1638@pon.net>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603211557v3967b3d6y696a1e9d8257b7a4@mail.gmail.com>

> Both last night and now this morning I have done something that sets
> the Application Browser in a state such that double-clicking on a
> substack opens the script of the substack instead of opening the
> substack itself and double-clicking on a card of an unopened subStack
> opens the script of that card..

Go to Rev's Preferences, the Application Browser section. There you
can set exactly what you want to happen when you double-click with or
without modifier keys.

Cheers,
Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Mar 21 18:59:33 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:59:33 +1000
Subject: revXMLfindNodecontent
In-Reply-To: <747B1D9D-8FE4-4918-AB4D-2431445F4212@major-k.de>
References: <747B1D9D-8FE4-4918-AB4D-2431445F4212@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603211559t25b9f58ew77049c9e7bd68b70@mail.gmail.com>

> I am currently working through the XML docs and am desparately
> looking for
> something llike -> "revXMLfindNodeBycontent"
>
> There is a "revXMLmatchingNode" but that only lets me find the node
> that has an
> atrribute with a specific value!
>
> Do I really have to cycle through the XMLtext or something line by
> line to find
> a node by its content?
>
> Please tell me it ain't so!!!! :-/


It is so :-(
I found the best compromise was to put the most important search items
as attributes, instead of elements. You can search by attribute.

However I agree, it seems to be an obvious missing feature that should
be part of the library.

Cheers,
Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Mar 21 19:03:20 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:03:20 +1000
Subject: Acessing button scripts in a HC stack ?
In-Reply-To: <54a21a42b9e045b402ba40068148a197@wanadoo.fr>
References: <54a21a42b9e045b402ba40068148a197@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603211603k455cc2b6p39feedd111702d7c@mail.gmail.com>

>  From a Rev 2.6.1 stack, I want to open a HC stack (at the
> same time), examine it visually, type a name into a field in
> the Rev stack which corresponds to a button that I see in
> the HC stack. Then I want to hit a button in the Rev stack
> which picks up the script from that button in the HC stack,
> and returns it to the Rev stack where I can play with it, using
> a Rev script.

Thanks for explaining further, now I hope I understand and I think I
have the solution :-)

When you open a HyperCard stack in Rev, the property called
"HCaddressing" is set to true. This means that cards & fields are
referred to as "card fields", "bg fields", "card buttons" & "bg
buttons". As in HyperCard, the default is for fields to be background
fields and buttons to be card buttons.

If you are just trying to access them using "field" or "button", it
will work for some but not for all. Your importer script needs to work
out whether the object is a card or background object and address it
accordingly.

Regards,
Sarah


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Mar 21 19:08:33 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:08:33 -0600
Subject: Acessing button scripts in a HC stack ?
In-Reply-To: <54a21a42b9e045b402ba40068148a197@wanadoo.fr>
References: <54a21a42b9e045b402ba40068148a197@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <44209581.8060608@hyperactivesw.com>

Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:
> Hi from Paris,
> 
> I thought that I had been explicit, but apparently not !
> 
>  From a Rev 2.6.1 stack, I want to open a HC stack (at the
> same time), examine it visually, type a name into a field in
> the Rev stack which corresponds to a button that I see in
> the HC stack. Then I want to hit a button in the Rev stack
> which picks up the script from that button in the HC stack,
> and returns it to the Rev stack where I can play with it, using
> a Rev script.
> 
> I also want to do the same with scripts from fields.

All newly imported HC stacks have their HCAddressing property set to 
true. That means you must reference the button, or any other object, 
just as HC does. If you say "button 1" then Rev will assume the button 
is a card button. If you want to specify a background button you must 
reference it as "bg btn 1". Same for fields: "fld 1" means a background 
field, and if you want to refer to a card field, you must specify "cd 
fld 1".

If you set the HCAddressing of the stack to false, after that you can 
refer to the objects in the Revolution way, without specifying "card" or 
"background".

Another thing that may be happening is that when you click on the Rev 
stack, your scripts will try to find "button 1" in the Rev stack. 
Instead, you must specify the stack:

   get the script of bg btn 1 of this cd of stack "myImportStack"

Another way to do the same thing is to set the defaultstack:

   set the defaultstack to "myImportStack"
   get the script of bg btn 1 of this cd

> 
> Please don't ask me why I don't use "Cut" and "Paste" .....

I won't, though it would probably be easier. But I do wonder why you 
don't just use the imported stack. Why move everything? I have converted 
more HC stacks than probably anyone (it's a lot of what my company does) 
and I have never had to rebuild a HC stack from scratch.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Mar 21 19:12:07 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:12:07 +1000
Subject: Tabstops
Message-ID: <f99b52860603211612w52c4970fvc292ca59211c3258@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/22/06, Robert Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
> Wow thanks Sarah that is huge! I didn't see that anywhere in the docs
> but I probably didn't look closely enough.
>
> But no I have an odd thing happenning. I can only set columns widths
> up to 120. Anything over is interpreted as width-120 so that if I set
> the width to 125 I get a column 5 pixels wide. Odd huh? There is
> probably a max width for the columns property I need to set. I will
> dig around. I am going to have to get used to that again.
>

The tabstops are a cumulative number representing the pixels from the
left of the field for each stop. If you set them to "120,125" the
first column will be 120 pixels wide and all other columns will be 5
pixels wide.

I recommend Frederic Rinaldi's revTabRuler plugin which now comes as
one the the standard plugins in your Rev installation. It allows you
to set tabStops graphically by dragging  them along in his palette. I
wrote an article about it some time ago for revJournal
<http://www.revjournal.com/features/tabruler.html>. Just ignore the
installation instructions as it should already be in the plugins menu.

Cheers,
Sarah


From simplsol at aol.com  Tue Mar 21 19:18:36 2006
From: simplsol at aol.com (simplsol at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:18:36 -0500
Subject: Acessing button scripts in a HC stack ?
In-Reply-To: <54a21a42b9e045b402ba40068148a197@wanadoo.fr>
References: <54a21a42b9e045b402ba40068148a197@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <8C81B5D4BBEC430-1604-4D48@mblk-d46.sysops.aol.com>

Hello from San Dimas,
I'm missing something here.
Why not just have Rev open the HC stack, this will convert it to a Rev 
stack? You would be able to access all of the button and field scripts 
- and do whatever you want with them. You could then write any Rev 
script needed to import/export or work with the data in what is now a 
Rev stack. This will not harm the original HC stack - as you will be 
working from a Rev-converted copy in RAM.
Paul Looney

-----Original Message-----
From: Francis Nugent Dixon <effendi at wanadoo.fr>
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Sent: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 23:31:13 +0100
Subject: Acessing button scripts in a HC stack ?

   Hi from Paris,?
?
 I thought that I had been explicit, but apparently not !?
?
 From a Rev 2.6.1 stack, I want to open a HC stack (at the?
 same time), examine it visually, type a name into a field in?
 the Rev stack which corresponds to a button that I see in?
 the HC stack. Then I want to hit a button in the Rev stack?
 which picks up the script from that button in the HC stack,?
 and returns it to the Rev stack where I can play with it, using?
 a Rev script.?
?
 I also want to do the same with scripts from fields.?
?
 "Reasonable request - no other interest"?
 ?(Only the very best - Tycoon - 1992 - Peter Kingsbery)?
?
 Please don't ask me why I don't use "Cut" and "Paste" .....?
?
 All of this is with the object of automating (as far as I can)?
 my HC to Rev conversions. Building the stacks is a piece?
 of cake with Rev, but modifying the scripts is a pain, so I do?
 it ...... using a script ..... of course ! My problem is bringing?
 the script over to Rev .....?
?
 -Francis?
?
 "Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"?
?
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 use-revolution mailing list?
 use-revolution at lists.runrev.com?
  Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
subscription preferences:?
 http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution?

    


From aturban at qwest.net  Tue Mar 21 19:40:28 2006
From: aturban at qwest.net (Arthur Urban)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:40:28 -0700
Subject: Progress Made?
Message-ID: <44209CFC.9000808@qwest.net>

Has there been any progress with the perpetual crashing in WinXP? I 
literally save every couple of minutes because of the instability of the 
IDE. I would like to note to any Rev Developers that might be listening 
though, is that the crash potential is the highest when I have text 
selected in the script editor. Obviously it does not crash every time 
text is selected, but if I know I'm going to cut/paste a number of lines 
of code, or comment/uncomment them, I save first. Selecting the text 
itself does not invoke the crash, but attempting to do other things 
(like click in the selected text, or making Rev think I'm dragging text) 
these seem to be real catalysts for the crash scenario.

Can we please get this fixed? Surely the Rev Developers themselves user 
their own tool on WinXP. It must be crashing like crazy for them too, no?


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Mar 21 19:55:21 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:55:21 +1000
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <F166CD1C-6FA5-4570-A8F4-01605044FE4F@inspiredlogic.com>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>
	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>
	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net> <441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<f99b52860603200429u51ddbf5bmf6f9d852bcd0e14@mail.gmail.com>
	<F166CD1C-6FA5-4570-A8F4-01605044FE4F@inspiredlogic.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603211655re642afcn58fad4d4419d4232@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/21/06, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com> wrote:
> Do you have an example? I agree that if you end up passing in a
> handful of arguments by reference, you haven't accomplished much by
> breaking out the routine. The question is if there isn't a better way
> to slice the routine, where that wouldn't be necessary.
>

OK, I have a better example. Say I have a data set and I need to loop
through it and extract three different pieces of information e.g. a
list of the 4th column in each line, a list of lines that match a
certain set of criteria, and a cumulative total obtained by adding a
certain column in each line.

Each of these could be done in a separate function, but that would
mean looping through the data set three times. With a large data set,
it is significantly faster to loop once, filling all three new
variables in the single loop. If I separate this off into a separate
function, then I need a way of passing multiple results back.

The alternatives that I see are to use script local variables or to
pass an empty parameter by reference and have the function fill it.
Does anyone have any other ideas or recommendations?

Sarah


From scott at proherp.com  Tue Mar 21 20:05:02 2006
From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 12:05:02 +1100
Subject: Calling Rev Compiler On Command Line
Message-ID: <000201c64d4c$a82702e0$0201010a@royalnexus>

Hi,

Is there are method (I've checked the doc's and 
found nothing) of calling the compiler in Rev
without loading the IDE?

TIA

Scott

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From mark at maseurope.net  Tue Mar 21 20:16:38 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 01:16:38 +0000
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860603211655re642afcn58fad4d4419d4232@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>
	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>
	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<f99b52860603200429u51ddbf5bmf6f9d852bcd0e14@mail.gmail.com>
	<F166CD1C-6FA5-4570-A8F4-01605044FE4F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<f99b52860603211655re642afcn58fad4d4419d4232@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5BBCAB2B-2190-4B8B-8EF0-11F9CD8244C8@maseurope.net>

You might put the multiple results into the elements of an array, and  
return the array.

Mark

On 22 Mar 2006, at 00:55, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> On 3/21/06, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com> wrote:
>> Do you have an example? I agree that if you end up passing in a
>> handful of arguments by reference, you haven't accomplished much by
>> breaking out the routine. The question is if there isn't a better way
>> to slice the routine, where that wouldn't be necessary.
>>
>
> OK, I have a better example. Say I have a data set and I need to loop
> through it and extract three different pieces of information e.g. a
> list of the 4th column in each line, a list of lines that match a
> certain set of criteria, and a cumulative total obtained by adding a
> certain column in each line.
>
> Each of these could be done in a separate function, but that would
> mean looping through the data set three times. With a large data set,
> it is significantly faster to loop once, filling all three new
> variables in the single loop. If I separate this off into a separate
> function, then I need a way of passing multiple results back.
>
> The alternatives that I see are to use script local variables or to
> pass an empty parameter by reference and have the function fill it.
> Does anyone have any other ideas or recommendations?
>
> Sarah
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From shaosean at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 21 20:35:12 2006
From: shaosean at hotmail.com (Sean Shao)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:35:12 -0500
Subject: [?] Mac Classic, 2.6.1, MySQL
In-Reply-To: <20060321180007.99565825A0F@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BAY105-F9E468F29367603787DE35C3D90@phx.gbl>

In regards to the two posts - one from Paul Looney and one from Ruslan 
Zasukhin..

PL> Do you REALLY need to support OS 9?
Yes.

PL> The time and effort you would put into supporting OS 9
That's the great thing about Rev, there's very little extra time and effort 
required.

RZ> But develop new app for old hardware/OS is not best idea.
Why not?

Even though Apple and Microsoft have stopped supporting certain makes of the 
operating system there are still tons of machines out there that run them 
and that's still a potential market to make money from.

In my situation I'm trying to use a feature of Rev and that's not working.. 
It's not through fault of my code, nor because the OS is old, but because of 
a screw-up over at Rev.. Will there be a 2.6.2 to address this issue? Nope, 
just a forced upgrade to get the functionality promised..

Anyways, I'll try the 2.5 Valentina/MySQL build thing another day when I 
have the chance..

-Sean

_________________________________________________________________
Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! 
http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/



From mark at maseurope.net  Tue Mar 21 20:50:36 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 01:50:36 +0000
Subject: Progress Made?
In-Reply-To: <44209CFC.9000808@qwest.net>
References: <44209CFC.9000808@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <570FFE5F-5EA7-4DFD-8034-6E27D9D082F1@maseurope.net>

Arthur, check out this thread:

http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2006-February/ 
076870.html

Best,

Mark

On 22 Mar 2006, at 00:40, Arthur Urban wrote:

> Has there been any progress with the perpetual crashing in WinXP? I  
> literally save every couple of minutes because of the instability  
> of the IDE. I would like to note to any Rev Developers that might  
> be listening though, is that the crash potential is the highest  
> when I have text selected in the script editor. Obviously it does  
> not crash every time text is selected, but if I know I'm going to  
> cut/paste a number of lines of code, or comment/uncomment them, I  
> save first. Selecting the text itself does not invoke the crash,  
> but attempting to do other things (like click in the selected text,  
> or making Rev think I'm dragging text) these seem to be real  
> catalysts for the crash scenario.
>
> Can we please get this fixed? Surely the Rev Developers themselves  
> user their own tool on WinXP. It must be crashing like crazy for  
> them too, no?
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Tue Mar 21 21:00:15 2006
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:00:15 +0800
Subject: [?] Mac Classic, 2.6.1, MySQL
In-Reply-To: <BAY105-F9E468F29367603787DE35C3D90@phx.gbl>
References: <20060321180007.99565825A0F@mail.runrev.com>
	<BAY105-F9E468F29367603787DE35C3D90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <f73a98160603211800sf7c7f75yc484d518e1e8b519@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/22/06, Sean Shao <shaosean at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Even though Apple and Microsoft have stopped supporting certain makes of
> the
> operating system there are still tons of machines out there that run them
> and that's still a potential market to make money from.


Agreed.

Apple stopped supporting HyperCard when? And under what OS? Yet we still see
"I have a HyperCard stack I want to convert" type questions popping up on
this list.

Sure, I'm not suggesting that you could make a living out of custom
HyperCard stacks, but I think it clearly illustrates that while software is
cheaper to buy than hardware many will keep buying software rather than
buying new hardware - until they can no longer run the software they NEED.


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Mar 21 22:13:25 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 13:13:25 +1000
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <5BBCAB2B-2190-4B8B-8EF0-11F9CD8244C8@maseurope.net>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>
	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>
	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net> <441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<f99b52860603200429u51ddbf5bmf6f9d852bcd0e14@mail.gmail.com>
	<F166CD1C-6FA5-4570-A8F4-01605044FE4F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<f99b52860603211655re642afcn58fad4d4419d4232@mail.gmail.com>
	<5BBCAB2B-2190-4B8B-8EF0-11F9CD8244C8@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603211913g4536353buf4bfe7340a2c917b@mail.gmail.com>

I didn't think of that Mark. Again, arrays are things that don't come
naturally to me, so I probably ignore them when they would be useful.
In this case, it sounds like a really good solution.

Thanks,
Sarah


On 3/22/06, Mark Smith <mark at maseurope.net> wrote:
> You might put the multiple results into the elements of an array, and
> return the array.
>
> Mark
>
> On 22 Mar 2006, at 00:55, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>
> > On 3/21/06, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com> wrote:
> >> Do you have an example? I agree that if you end up passing in a
> >> handful of arguments by reference, you haven't accomplished much by
> >> breaking out the routine. The question is if there isn't a better way
> >> to slice the routine, where that wouldn't be necessary.
> >>
> >
> > OK, I have a better example. Say I have a data set and I need to loop
> > through it and extract three different pieces of information e.g. a
> > list of the 4th column in each line, a list of lines that match a
> > certain set of criteria, and a cumulative total obtained by adding a
> > certain column in each line.
> >
> > Each of these could be done in a separate function, but that would
> > mean looping through the data set three times. With a large data set,
> > it is significantly faster to loop once, filling all three new
> > variables in the single loop. If I separate this off into a separate
> > function, then I need a way of passing multiple results back.
> >
> > The alternatives that I see are to use script local variables or to
> > pass an empty parameter by reference and have the function fill it.
> > Does anyone have any other ideas or recommendations?
> >
> > Sarah
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Mar 21 23:43:58 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:43:58 -0600
Subject: Acessing button scripts in a HC stack ?
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860603211603k455cc2b6p39feedd111702d7c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54a21a42b9e045b402ba40068148a197@wanadoo.fr>
	<f99b52860603211603k455cc2b6p39feedd111702d7c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4420D60E.8020305@hyperactivesw.com>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> When you open a HyperCard stack in Rev, the property called
> "HCaddressing" is set to true. 

Jacqueline Landman Gay wrote:

> All newly imported HC stacks have their HCAddressing property set to true.


With that kind of female solidarity here, the men amongst us must be 
cowering. ;)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Mar 21 23:55:06 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:55:06 -0600
Subject: Progress Made?
In-Reply-To: <44209CFC.9000808@qwest.net>
References: <44209CFC.9000808@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <4420D8AA.9060003@hyperactivesw.com>

Arthur Urban wrote:
> Has there been any progress with the perpetual crashing in WinXP?

Yes, I believe they have isolated it. It took quite a while to even get 
a stack that would crash on the development machines, so it wasn't a 
universal problem for everyone. Lots of people seem to be running 2.7 
without any trouble. Eventually more data came in through tech support 
so that the team could address it. It's always a good idea to send bug 
reports to Bugzilla, and crash logs if you have them.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Mar 22 00:01:10 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 23:01:10 -0600
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860603211913g4536353buf4bfe7340a2c917b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>	<f99b52860603200429u51ddbf5bmf6f9d852bcd0e14@mail.gmail.com>	<F166CD1C-6FA5-4570-A8F4-01605044FE4F@inspiredlogic.com>	<f99b52860603211655re642afcn58fad4d4419d4232@mail.gmail.com>	<5BBCAB2B-2190-4B8B-8EF0-11F9CD8244C8@maseurope.net>
	<f99b52860603211913g4536353buf4bfe7340a2c917b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4420DA16.4050805@chipp.com>

I'm just a simple Caveman programmer. Your advanced technology and talk 
of arrays and multiple functions frighten me. In this case, I'd just as 
soon keep thinkgs in a single handler which cavemen like me can read and 
debug easily.

:-)

-Chipp

Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> I didn't think of that Mark. Again, arrays are things that don't come
> naturally to me, so I probably ignore them when they would be useful.
> In this case, it sounds like a really good solution.
> 
> Thanks,
> Sarah
> 
> 
> On 3/22/06, Mark Smith <mark at maseurope.net> wrote:
> 
>>You might put the multiple results into the elements of an array, and
>>return the array.
>>
>>Mark
>>
>>On 22 Mar 2006, at 00:55, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On 3/21/06, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Do you have an example? I agree that if you end up passing in a
>>>>handful of arguments by reference, you haven't accomplished much by
>>>>breaking out the routine. The question is if there isn't a better way
>>>>to slice the routine, where that wouldn't be necessary.
>>>>
>>>
>>>OK, I have a better example. Say I have a data set and I need to loop
>>>through it and extract three different pieces of information e.g. a
>>>list of the 4th column in each line, a list of lines that match a
>>>certain set of criteria, and a cumulative total obtained by adding a
>>>certain column in each line.
>>>
>>>Each of these could be done in a separate function, but that would
>>>mean looping through the data set three times. With a large data set,
>>>it is significantly faster to loop once, filling all three new
>>>variables in the single loop. If I separate this off into a separate
>>>function, then I need a way of passing multiple results back.
>>>
>>>The alternatives that I see are to use script local variables or to
>>>pass an empty parameter by reference and have the function fill it.
>>>Does anyone have any other ideas or recommendations?
>>>
>>>Sarah



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Mar 22 00:01:46 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 23:01:46 -0600
Subject: Mac OS-X standalone from Windows machine
In-Reply-To: <f4ebb1950603211002k2f3c0f43g57fb6944945871af@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f4ebb1950603211002k2f3c0f43g57fb6944945871af@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4420DA3A.1010001@hyperactivesw.com>

Levi Kendall wrote:
> Hi All,
>   I'm having a bit of a problem making a standalone application for OS-X
> from a Windows machine.  Actually making it is not the problem really,
> running it is.  The save to standalone works fine and I end up with what I
> am assuming is the executeable in a structure that looks as such:
> 
> My Application.app \ Contents \ MacOS \ My Application
> 
>   What seems to be the problem is the file at the end "My Application" does
> not get the execute flag set on it when being transfered to the OS-X
> filesystem.  My current method of transport was simply to zip the entire
> directory and then unzip the file on the Mac.  This would leave the
> directory structure as is, which I'm assuming is necessary.  However the
> problem is the "My Application" executeable needs to have CHMOD run on it in
> order to properly execute because of the execute flag missing on the OS-X
> filesystem.
> 
>   Does anyone have any solution to work around this?  Is it necessary to
> have some kind of "installer" program to properly set this up on the OS-X
> end?  Or is there another way to handle it?  If at all possible, I would
> like to be able to handle this from the Windows machine, rather than
> actually needing an OS-X box.

I'd like to know the answer to this too. Has anyone else experienced this?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Mar 22 00:09:11 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 23:09:11 -0600
Subject: Calling Rev Compiler On Command Line
In-Reply-To: <000201c64d4c$a82702e0$0201010a@royalnexus>
References: <000201c64d4c$a82702e0$0201010a@royalnexus>
Message-ID: <4420DBF7.3030108@chipp.com>

Scott,

I believe a script is compiled when it is 'set'.

So to compile a script just get it, modify it, then set it.

best,

Chipp

Scott Kane wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Is there are method (I've checked the doc's and 
> found nothing) of calling the compiler in Rev
> without loading the IDE?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Scott
> 



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Wed Mar 22 00:29:13 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:29:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [?] Mac Classic, 2.6.1, MySQL
In-Reply-To: <BAY105-F9E468F29367603787DE35C3D90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603212127080.2430-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Indeed.

My department's Mac lab (yep, the FrankenLab of ill-repute) runs OS 9
only.

Initially, it was because of some problems with dual boot (and the
machines not having enough RAM); then it was because of the RAM issue, and
now, quite frankly, I think it is because I'm the only Mac person in the
department and nobody else is even remotely aware of the big difference
between OS 9 & OS X.

Oh, and the fact that some sim program for a computer architecture class
only runs on OS 9...


But we OS niners still exist... even when we would rather not.

Judy

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006, Sean Shao wrote:

> In regards to the two posts - one from Paul Looney and one from Ruslan
> Zasukhin..
>
> PL> Do you REALLY need to support OS 9?
> Yes.
>
> PL> The time and effort you would put into supporting OS 9
> That's the great thing about Rev, there's very little extra time and effort
> required.
>
> RZ> But develop new app for old hardware/OS is not best idea.
> Why not?
>
> Even though Apple and Microsoft have stopped supporting certain makes of the
> operating system there are still tons of machines out there that run them
> and that's still a potential market to make money from.
>
> In my situation I'm trying to use a feature of Rev and that's not working..
> It's not through fault of my code, nor because the OS is old, but because of
> a screw-up over at Rev.. Will there be a 2.6.2 to address this issue? Nope,
> just a forced upgrade to get the functionality promised..
>
> Anyways, I'll try the 2.5 Valentina/MySQL build thing another day when I
> have the chance..
>
> -Sean
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
> http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Mar 22 00:50:36 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:50:36 -0800
Subject: HTML tags in XML
In-Reply-To: <A9C0DB47-9153-4010-9921-6F3C25939456@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <F2CCD0E1-8554-45F8-A6F6-69AA2A49E998@byu.edu>
	<7AE50979-887D-4EF7-8734-EA9E96D05D82@mangomultimedia.com>
	<525094265.20060321093436@ahsoftware.net>
	<51629036-A03B-4B5D-A6F5-57D132F3F113@mangomultimedia.com>
	<11610878662.20060321111059@ahsoftware.net>
	<A9C0DB47-9153-4010-9921-6F3C25939456@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <4249257007.20060321215036@ahsoftware.net>

Trevor-

Tuesday, March 21, 2006, 11:19:29 AM, you wrote:

> On Mar 21, 2006, at 11:10 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>> Yes and no. As long as you have the data stored properly encoded then
>> you should be able to decode it on the way out:
>>
>> set the htmlText of field "grunt" to urlDecode(xmlData)

> Oh, I see what you are getting at.  Yeah, that would work but  
> wouldn't this only work if the XML was only used in Rev.  Wouldn't it
> cause problems for other software that tried to read your XML document?

Yes, I should think so. It would have to decode it back. I've been
assuming this was just for rev data, but if you're going outside the
sandbox then you'd need to stick with what the DTD says. Ken's CDATA
approach would probably be the best way to deal with it in that case.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Mar 22 00:58:29 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:58:29 -0800
Subject: Mac OS-X standalone from Windows machine
Message-ID: <4420E785.2050108@fourthworld.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Levi Kendall wrote:
>>   I'm having a bit of a problem making a standalone application for OS-X
>> from a Windows machine.  Actually making it is not the problem really,
>> running it is.  The save to standalone works fine and I end up with what I
>> am assuming is the executeable in a structure that looks as such:
>> 
>> My Application.app \ Contents \ MacOS \ My Application
>> 
>>   What seems to be the problem is the file at the end "My Application" does
>> not get the execute flag set on it when being transfered to the OS-X
>> filesystem.  My current method of transport was simply to zip the entire
>> directory and then unzip the file on the Mac.  This would leave the
>> directory structure as is, which I'm assuming is necessary.  However the
>> problem is the "My Application" executeable needs to have CHMOD run on it in
>> order to properly execute because of the execute flag missing on the OS-X
>> filesystem.
>> 
>>   Does anyone have any solution to work around this?  Is it necessary to
>> have some kind of "installer" program to properly set this up on the OS-X
>> end?  Or is there another way to handle it?  If at all possible, I would
>> like to be able to handle this from the Windows machine, rather than
>> actually needing an OS-X box.
> 
> I'd like to know the answer to this too. Has anyone else experienced this?

As far as I can tell, chmod affects elements in the Unix file system 
that simply aren't present in Windows, much as the old Mac apps needed a 
resource fork that was possible only on Apple's HFS.

So as far as I can tell, Levi's original guess that chmod was needed is 
consistent with what I've had to do to get the executable within the 
bundle to have its permissions set correctly:

    get shell("chmod ugo+x" && quote & tDestFile & quote)

If there's some other way to write the file on a non-Unix system and be 
copy it to OS X with the executable permissions in place I'd love to 
learn about it.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Mar 22 01:04:49 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 00:04:49 -0600
Subject: Progress Made?
In-Reply-To: <4420D8AA.9060003@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <44209CFC.9000808@qwest.net> <4420D8AA.9060003@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4420E901.40403@chipp.com>

I'm working on a small project and for the first time trying to use 2.7 
because of it's anti-aliased graphics (which are great!)

I, too, keep having Rev crash in the middle of programming (twice in the 
last hour). I was wondering if there's a 'recipe' for this so I can 
watch out for it?

Also, any word on when we can expect a patch?

best,

Chipp

J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Arthur Urban wrote:
> 
>> Has there been any progress with the perpetual crashing in WinXP?
> 
> 
> Yes, I believe they have isolated it. It took quite a while to even get 
> a stack that would crash on the development machines, so it wasn't a 
> universal problem for everyone. Lots of people seem to be running 2.7 
> without any trouble. Eventually more data came in through tech support 
> so that the team could address it. It's always a good idea to send bug 
> reports to Bugzilla, and crash logs if you have them.
> 



From aturban at qwest.net  Wed Mar 22 01:10:47 2006
From: aturban at qwest.net (Arthur Urban)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 23:10:47 -0700
Subject: Progress Made?
In-Reply-To: <4420D8AA.9060003@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <44209CFC.9000808@qwest.net> <4420D8AA.9060003@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4420EA67.6050106@qwest.net>

It would be great if I could help out. Is there a specific means to 
generate a crash log?

J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Arthur Urban wrote:
>> Has there been any progress with the perpetual crashing in WinXP?
>
> Yes, I believe they have isolated it. It took quite a while to even 
> get a stack that would crash on the development machines, so it wasn't 
> a universal problem for everyone. Lots of people seem to be running 
> 2.7 without any trouble. Eventually more data came in through tech 
> support so that the team could address it. It's always a good idea to 
> send bug reports to Bugzilla, and crash logs if you have them.
>


From revolution at jaedworks.com  Wed Mar 22 02:00:01 2006
From: revolution at jaedworks.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 23:00:01 -0800
Subject: Combined Events
In-Reply-To: <000001c64d0e$e8bfc280$670fa8c0@work1>
References: <000001c64d0e$e8bfc280$670fa8c0@work1>
Message-ID: <p0621024dc046a642d83b@[66.93.39.98]>

At 10:43 AM -0700 3/21/2006, Jeff Honken wrote:
>   That's exactly what I'm looking for but why on a windows box doesn't
>the left mouse click work.  Here's the code:

Does it work if you don't specify which mouse button?
-- 
jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
http://www.jaedworks.com


From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Wed Mar 22 03:31:49 2006
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 00:31:49 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <3362660E-B915-11DA-B8F4-0030657E1638@pon.net>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<02117863-B837-11DA-BF46-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<97F32A0F-F818-4A02-A0D6-39F8E8E9329F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<3362660E-B915-11DA-B8F4-0030657E1638@pon.net>
Message-ID: <A35AD941-61E2-4D29-994A-06F2BBE38D55@inspiredlogic.com>

First, this isn't all that long -- 98 lines -- but in any case I'd  
consider:

  -- breaking out routines for local vs. server connection
  -- breaking out a routine for when we're just counting records that  
match vs. returning data
  -- breaking out a routine that, given a itemList describing a set  
of fields, returns the data from those fields

Some of the rest I'm still not clear on, so it's hard to say.

As I said, more art than science, but to me a routine like this is  
more than five times as difficult to understand/debug/manage than the  
five twenty line routines that might replace it.

Not that I haven't written my fair share of these ;-)

regards,

Geoff

On Mar 21, 2006, at 11:59 AM, Rob Cozens wrote:

> Hi Geoff ,
>
>> Wow -- so what does this do?
>>
>
> From Serendipity Reference:
>
> >>
>
> The findSDBRecord command checks for the existence & locked/ 
> unlocked status of a record with the record type and key specified  
> in line 1 of sdbBuffer.  It can also be used to unlock a record  
> that was previously locked but not changed or to return a count of  
> the number of records with certain field contents.
>
> findSDBRecord is undoubtedly the most complex, but also the most  
> powerful, SDB command.  It is the only SDB command that will  
> retrieve information from multiple records in a single call.  As  
> such, it is ideally suited to retrieve specified fields from a  
> range of records for reporting or analysis.
>
> exactKey (boolean) defaults to true, in which case findSDBRecord  
> returns card id "0" if the exact key is not in the database;  
> otherwise findSDBRecord will return the id for the record with the  
> closest higher key of the specified record type.
>
> If fieldDelimiter is empty findSDBRecord simply returns the  
> Revolution card id of the record in word 4 of the result.  If  
> fieldDelimiter is not empty, itemList contains a list of field  
> references (one per line) to retrieve.  A field reference can take  
> two forms:
>
> * a number that resolves to the field's ordinal position in the  
> record (0 = the record key)
> * an SDB field reference ([Record Type]&":"&[dataname]), which the  
> SDB handlers will resolve to a field ordinal.
>
> These two forms of reference can be used interchangably EXCEPT for  
> record types that have no Dictionary definition in the database.
>
> findSDBRecord then puts a delimited list of the contents of the  
> fields into lines 2 to -1 of sdbBuffer.
>
> setPosition (boolean)  defaults to true.
>
> unlockRecord (boolean) defaults to false.  If true and the record  
> was locked by this user, it will be removed from the locked record  
> table.
>
> findSDBRecord can be passed search criteria that must be met before  
> a record is retrieved, and instructed to search forward or backward  
> from the key if the key's record does not meet the search criteria  
> until the first acceptable record is found.
>
> searchForward (boolean) determines search direction; default is  
> true (forward).
>
> searchCriteria contains one or more lines in the following format:
> -- field reference,test,target,and/or
> * field reference is the field's ordinal or Data Dictionary name,  
> as defibed above.
> * tests: "=" ,"<>" ,"in", "not in", "<", ">", "<=", or ">="
> * target is the result to which the item is to be compared; it must  
> be a value, not a reference to another field in the record
> * "and" or "or" is not needed on last line of search criteria
>
> Example search criteria (assumes the field is defined in Record  
> Type, "TYPE" as dataname "department"):
> 		"TYPE:department",>,21,and
> 		"TYPE:department",<,34
> Selects only records where the value of field "department" is  
> between 22 and 33.
>
> If cutoffKey is not empty, findSDBRecord will discontinue the  
> search when it encounters a record with a key > cutoffKey if  
> searching forward or < cutoffKey if searching backward; otherwise  
> the search will end with the first matching record if  
> recordDelimiter is empty or the last/first record if it is not.
>
> If recordDelimiter is empty, findSDBRecord returns information for  
> the first matching record it encounters.  If recordDelimiter is not  
> empty, findSDBRecord puts empty into sdbBuffer and returns the  
> number of records matching the search criteria in word four of the  
> rersult if the fieldDelimiter is empty; otherwise it returns the  
> information for each matching record found between the key passed  
> in sdbBuffer and cutoffKey or the last/first record of the  
> specified record type.  This information will be found in lines 2  
> to -1 of sdbBuffer.  (The recordDelimiter is used to delimit  
> individual records.)
>
> Note that findSDBRecord will return a locked record error if the  
> record exists but is locked by another user.
>
> <<
>
> Rob Cozens
> CCW, Serendipity Software Company
>
> "And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
> Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."
>
> from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)
>
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From livfoss at mac.com  Wed Mar 22 03:34:04 2006
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:34:04 +0100
Subject: Progress Made?
Message-ID: <F6916AB9-CAC7-4255-BDFE-2DA1DD8CE10D@mac.com>

I'm sorry for Arthur Urban and his experience of "perpetual crashing  
on WinXP", and I'm glad to see Jacqueline's statement that the  
problem has been acknowledged and is being fixed. I just want to  
confirm that this doesn't affect everyone: at present I am switching  
an app I'm developing between OSX and and WinXP machine many times  
each day, with both machines running RR2.7.0, and for me both are  
entirely stable. Incidentally I also find that I don't have to zip  
my .rev files to swap them between machines (I use an external server  
for both archiving and swapping), which I believe is contrary to some  
other people's experience.

For me it would be interesting to find out what are the exact  
circumstances causing these crashes, just in case I suddenly create  
them by accident. But it certainly ain't a universal problem.

Graham



----------------------------------------
Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France



From livfoss at mac.com  Wed Mar 22 03:42:28 2006
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:42:28 +0100
Subject: Getting started with libraries
Message-ID: <86853ABA-2514-4F6B-8F98-EF1E3E6B4D32@mac.com>

On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:52:22 -0800, Rob Cozens <rcozens at pon.net> wrote:

[some good advice on the above subject, including]

> I hate to confirm what you don't want to hear; but, yes, it ends up
> being a messy job for the reasons you identified: creating a
> generalized handler from two or more similar handlers in different
> stacks often means changing the scripts in both.  To the extent that
> your common handlers are generic, you might adopt your controls to use
> handlers in existing rev libraries rather than generalizing your
> handlers as well as the scripts of controls that call them.  
> Serendipity
> Library <http://wecode.org/serendipity/> includes handlers for data
> validation & formatting, date & time handlers, and list handlers in
> addition to SDB database handlers.
>
> The good news: when you are finished, the efficiency you will gain is
> worth much more than the effort involved.

Well, I suppose that had to be the answer - but I just wanted to  
thank you, Rob, for troubling to reply and give me a bit of  
encouragement. As soon as my current app is out of the door I will  
make a determined effort to library-ize my core routines, which are  
mostly to do with the house style decided on by my publisher, so that  
apps from different sources give a similar user experience - this  
means that it all has to be pretty well homegrown..

Thanks

Graham


----------------------------------------
Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France



From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Mar 22 05:03:35 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:03:35 +0100
Subject: revXMLfindNodecontent
In-Reply-To: <F64D0163-8E14-446F-A266-4B48AC9320B5@net2000.ch>
References: <20060321172548.E83678258C9@mail.runrev.com>
	<F64D0163-8E14-446F-A266-4B48AC9320B5@net2000.ch>
Message-ID: <951BD710-7091-43D5-86F6-89C715BEEC46@major-k.de>

Bonjour Joel.

>> Hi Ken,
>>
>>> On 3/21/06 10:21 AM, "Klaus Major" <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I am currently working through the XML docs and am desparately
>>>> looking for
>>>> something llike -> "revXMLfindNodeBycontent"
>>>> ...
>>> Sorry, Klaus, AFAIK you can't find data information with the revXML
>>> DLL.
>> Damn!!! What a pity :-/
>> Hi Mark, please add this one to Rev 2.71, I think there is still time
>> for this and I really need it! ;-)
> Are you dreaming Klaus?

Yes :-)

> Or do you have preferential treatment from Runrev?

Yes, my mother-in-law does know the cousin of the women that is  
celanings
the household of one of Mr. Millers neighbours quite well (kind of) :-D

> If yes, kindly suggest the manager to (censured, I am wasting my  
> time). Actually I filled an enhancement request (#1893) on  
> 2004-07-26 for a "revInsertXMLNode treeID,siblingPath,nodeContents"  
> and sent a recall on 2005-12-12 but the status is still UNCONFIRMED!

Welcome to the club!

> So, be patient!

I AM patient since RunRev aquired the MetaCard engine ;-)

> I know that I practice medicine but usually not that side! Or build  
> your own externals for xml, xpath, etc.
> ;o(

I wish I could!

> jg

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From katir at hindu.org  Wed Mar 22 04:22:24 2006
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 23:22:24 -1000
Subject: DRM for Images and Text in Stacks
In-Reply-To: <44205E6C.9070601@fourthworld.com>
References: <44205E6C.9070601@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <14A64652-9607-4535-BC6B-EB0E71DB3804@hindu.org>


On Mar 21, 2006, at 10:13 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> So while it keeps people who don't have Rev from extracting data,  
> it still leaves data vulnerable to those who do.

Exactly the problem...

Scott wrote:

>   but I would guess the likelihood of your users owning a copy of  
> Rev is lower than folks' ability to snoop around file
> contents.

true now and confirmed, both custom props and fields are encrypted  
contains on disk but our assumption that the possibilities of such  
extraction are "low" is based on the less than enthusiastic ontology  
that the number of rev developers in the world of manifest being is  
small i.e. the statistical chances of theft are low relative to the  
number of  users using the "product" (or who might try to hack it in  
BBedit or  whatever...) without the IDE...

but:  remember the "Dream World" I proposed initially on this thread  
posits a different ontology: Rev becomes very popular and the number  
of IDEs in the universe approaches infinity, (excuse the word fun)  
suddenly the chances for theft jump....

>
> Isn't there a BZ request for SC-style password protection?  In SC  
> setting the password prevents the stack from being opened in the  
> IDE. If there isn't already a request for this maybe someone should  
> post one, with recommendations on what that password property  
> should be called.

I just put that feature request in...I didn't know SC had this (I  
haven't used SC in years)  I'm sorry to say I did not exercise due  
diligence  to determine if said enhancement  was already there...  
anyway, enhancement 3404 is now there and was assigned to the engine  
team. I'm not competent to recommend a password property name. But to  
get the ball rolling -- at the risk of using metaphorical terms (but  
why not? we use "anchor" in html, "wizard" for a small tool and  
"firewall" in net admin, and "Tiger" for and OS)

Would terms related to "lock" work?: (opening my thesaurus....)

adjectives for the state of such a stack: (where the property is true  
or  false)

Where the propery being true means you cannot  open the stack:

"bolted" # like the door to a  house
"lockout" # those inside preventing entry to those outside
"sealed"
"cryptic"
"taboo"
"kapu" (taboo in Hawaiian)

Prosaic:
"secure" # as in an SSL transaction: completely opaque and unextractable
"closed" # as in a meeting in a room with the door shut
"restricted"
"blocked"

Nouns for a stack in such a state:

crypt
vault
strongbox

Where the property being true is the default and if set to false,  
means you cannot open the stack

"penetrable"
"reveal"
"accessible"



Sivakatirswami













From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Mar 22 05:12:57 2006
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:12:57 +0000
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860603211655re642afcn58fad4d4419d4232@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>	<f99b52860603200429u51ddbf5bmf6f9d852bcd0e14@mail.gmail.com>	<F166CD1C-6FA5-4570-A8F4-01605044FE4F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<f99b52860603211655re642afcn58fad4d4419d4232@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44212329.5010602@tweedly.net>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:

>
>OK, I have a better example. Say I have a data set and I need to loop
>through it and extract three different pieces of information e.g. a
>list of the 4th column in each line, a list of lines that match a
>certain set of criteria, and a cumulative total obtained by adding a
>certain column in each line.
>
>Each of these could be done in a separate function, but that would
>mean looping through the data set three times. With a large data set,
>it is significantly faster to loop once, filling all three new
>variables in the single loop. If I separate this off into a separate
>function, then I need a way of passing multiple results back.
>
>The alternatives that I see are to use script local variables or to
>pass an empty parameter by reference and have the function fill it.
>Does anyone have any other ideas or recommendations?
>  
>
I'd probably use parameters by reference for each of the result values. 
To me, that's one of the good ways to use pass by ref.

But if you didn't want to do that, and also didn't want to use an array, 
you could perhaps return a list of the result values. If you can find 
one more character that you can be sure won't appear in the results, 
simply use it to concatenate the results.

For example:

> function getThreeThings pFrom
>    .....
>  return tOne & numtochar(3) tTwo & numtochar(3) & tThree
> end getThreeThings


and when you call it

>     put getThreeThings(tData) into temp
>     set the itemDel to numtochar(3)
>     put item 1 of temp into t1
>     put item 2 of temp into t2
>     etc.


btw - when are Rev going to implement the "etc." keyword ?


-- 
Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net



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From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Mar 22 05:59:51 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:59:51 +0100
Subject: revXMLfindNodecontent
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860603211559t25b9f58ew77049c9e7bd68b70@mail.gmail.com>
References: <747B1D9D-8FE4-4918-AB4D-2431445F4212@major-k.de>
	<f99b52860603211559t25b9f58ew77049c9e7bd68b70@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0CB01FC6-E295-4946-BF19-ED8E8D9C6237@major-k.de>

Hi Sarah and all,

>> I am currently working through the XML docs and am desparately
>> looking for something llike -> "revXMLfindNodeBycontent"
>> There is a "revXMLmatchingNode" but that only lets me find the node
>> that has an atrribute with a specific value!
>> Do I really have to cycle through the XMLtext or something line by
>> line to find a node by its content?
>> Please tell me it ain't so!!!! :-/
> It is so :-(
> I found the best compromise was to put the most important search items
> as attributes, instead of elements. You can search by attribute.

Hardly doable if your job is to only read and compute external (other  
peoples) XML files ;-)
> However I agree, it seems to be an obvious missing feature that should
> be part of the library.

I just added an enhacement request to godzilla: 3414

Throw some votes on it if you like :-)

> Cheers,
> Sarah

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Wed Mar 22 06:35:53 2006
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 12:35:53 +0100
Subject: Acessing button scripts in a HC stack ? - Closing Thread
Message-ID: <3574fbb8132b78c3c3c97eba11211041@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Paris,

Thanks for all your responses (especially Sarah &
Jacqueline).

I was stupid enough to think that in Rev, the reference
"bg" was invalid, so I didn't even try it.

I now have several ways to get what I want.

On the comments about WHY I want to convert my
HC stacks :

1 - My HC stacks look so DRAB, compared to Rev,
2 - My HC field contents are badly displayed in Rev,
3 - My HC stacks lean heavily on XFCN's and XCMD's,
      and so they don't run successfully,
4 - I want to leave the HC world (with regrets), before
      Apple pulls the plug on OS9, and all the applications
      that go with it,
5 - I want to run some of my stacks on the PC, to be able to
      distribute them to my family (Family Tree), or my music
      collegues (Song Catalogue). There are still a few people
      in this world who insist on using PC's ......
6 - I have unlimited time and patience on my 3 computers, and
      even after 40 years of programming, I love using Rev.

and finally :

I belong to that strange group of people who would rather
spend 10 days programming a solution to convert my HC
scripts, than spending 30 minutes doing it manually !

I will now return to the complex task of "parsing" HC scripts to
convert them to Rev format, PURELY for the joy of succeeding !

When I don't program for  > 48 hours, I get withdrawal symptoms !

-Francis

"Learning is living"
"Progress is simply a succession of monumental xxxx-ups !"

...... but nevertheless ....

"Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"




From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Wed Mar 22 06:53:23 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:53:23 +0000
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <B4441DD3-CA9F-4DD3-BEE5-CFF72A437A12@scarlet.be>
References: <6B0024C3-E175-495E-927A-C7C6CD8CFD19@scarlet.be>
	<B4441DD3-CA9F-4DD3-BEE5-CFF72A437A12@scarlet.be>
Message-ID: <EF016C91-3958-4799-AE7E-9DB6604AD6A0@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

Nice Script!

There is just one thing I don't understand?

What are the:

get  "/*" & i

Statements for?????

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave


On 21 Mar 2006, at 14:45, Wouter wrote:

> on Sun Mar 19 16:12:57 CST 2006 Geoff Canyon wrote:
>
>> /* this is a comment
>> as is this */on mouseUp
>>    answer "yes"
>> end mouseUp
>
>
> Another problem with this kind of commenting is shown in the  
> following cases:
>
> /* this is a comment
> as is this */-function whatever
> return "something"
> end whatever
>
> /* this is a comment
> as is this */--function whatever
> return "something"
> end whatever
>
> Both will compile without throwing an error.
> Only the second one is a valid comment
>
> Greetings,
> Wouter
>
> PS another little update (beware of the mail line wraps):
>
> function retrieveActiveHandlers pScript
>   put true into tFlag
>   repeat for each line i in pScript
>     if char 1 to 2 of word 1 of i = "/*"  then
>       put false into tFlag
>     else if tFlag and token 1 of i is among the items of  
> "on,function,setprop,getprop" then  put token 1 to -1 of  i & cr  
> after tList
>     else if tFlag = false then
>       if (char 1 of word 1 of i is "#" or  char 1 of word 1 of i is  
> "-" ) and "*/" is in i then
>         put true into tFlag
>         get  "/*" &i
>         if tFlag and token 1 of it is among the items of  
> "on,function,setprop,getprop" then
>           put token 1 to -1 of  it & cr after tList
>         end if
>       else
>         repeat for each token j in i
>           if j is "*/"  then
>             put true into tFlag
>             get  "/*" &i
>             if tFlag and token 1 of it is among the items of  
> "on,function,setprop,getprop" then
>               put token 1 to -1 of  it & cr after tList
>               exit repeat
>             end if
>           end if
>         end repeat
>       end if
>     end if --
>   end repeat
>   return tList
> end retrieveActiveHandlers
>
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From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Wed Mar 22 07:32:41 2006
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9.Bisseret?=)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 13:32:41 +0100
Subject: When closed,
	does a substack whose destroyStack is true remains in memory ?
Message-ID: <F45406D2-B99F-11DA-A4BC-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>

Hi !

As far as a substack is concerned,
from the Doc (on save, close, destroyStack?)
I understand that :
even if its destroyStack property is set to true,
If I save and close this substack while the main stack remains opened,
then this substack remains in memory.

If this is true, then I understand that it is not judicious to set ? 
formatForPrinting ? to true for this substack.

So, for a specific ? printing stack ? I have to use a second main 
stack, instead of a substack.

Am I right ?
Thanks a lot in advance for validating (or invalidating) these claims.

P.S. : by the way, is it a means to check if a closed stack (or 
substack) is still in memory ?

Best regards from Grenoble
Andr?






From wouter.abraham at scarlet.be  Wed Mar 22 08:55:51 2006
From: wouter.abraham at scarlet.be (Wouter)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 14:55:51 +0100
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <EF016C91-3958-4799-AE7E-9DB6604AD6A0@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <6B0024C3-E175-495E-927A-C7C6CD8CFD19@scarlet.be>
	<B4441DD3-CA9F-4DD3-BEE5-CFF72A437A12@scarlet.be>
	<EF016C91-3958-4799-AE7E-9DB6604AD6A0@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <DE5CBFE2-6809-4211-BEFE-7DAF18E6C3AA@scarlet.be>

Hi David,


On 22 Mar 2006, at 12:53, David Burgun wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Nice Script!
>
> There is just one thing I don't understand?
>
> What are the:
>
> get  "/*" & i
>
> Statements for?????


/* this is a comment
as is this */function whatever
return "something"
end whatever

This is to force the tokenizing.
The script is parsed line by line.
The first line of the block comment will be eliminated by token 1 to  
- 1 of  i
But the first token of  the  second line of the block comment will be  
the first word --> "as"
By adding a "/*" in front of that line the first token will be  
"function"

>
> Thanks a lot
> All the Best
> Dave
>

Greetings,
Wouter


From livfoss at mac.com  Wed Mar 22 09:47:57 2006
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:47:57 +0100
Subject: How can I pass a handler a long ID as a string?
Message-ID: <B6E43BE9-5844-47B4-AA82-136C710669E5@mac.com>

I've never come across this before, and it's got me confused. I have  
a handler, say "myHandler" that has a couple of parameters which are  
intended to be the long ids of objects (actually fields). The handler  
manipulates the fields, something like

   on myHandler para1

     do "put empty into"&&para1

     ...

   end myHandler

I find that this works if the parameters are set in the same context  
as the handler itself - for example in a 'mouseUp' handler on the  
card where I've put the code of myHandler, but if I call it from  
elsewhere with a call like

    myHandler (the long id of fld "myField" of cd "myCard" of stack  
"myStack")

I find that during the call the engine evaluates the parameter and  
passes me the contents of the field, and not the reference to the  
field. What I want is to pass the long id to my handler as a  
**string**. I can't see why this doesn't work, and more importantly  
so far I'm stuck for a way round it. I've tried

   put the long id of fld "myField" of cd "myCard" of stack "myStack"  
into temp
   myHandler temp

but it has exactly the same effect.

What am I doing wrong?

TIA

Graham


----------------------------------------
Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France



From chris at carroll-davis.co.uk  Wed Mar 22 10:12:37 2006
From: chris at carroll-davis.co.uk (Chris Carroll-Davis)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:12:37 +0000
Subject: Windows Dunce Question (probably OT)
Message-ID: <70211A47-7FFC-47AC-9332-B7D58A0D16AE@carroll-davis.co.uk>

Hello folks.

Question here from complete Windows dope.  What am I doing wrong?  
I've installed Rev on PC to test and tweak stuff I've written on Mac.  
But... any .rev files I see have the wrong icon. Presumably the file  
association is wrong on my system.  I have tried going to  
"properties" of file and choosing Revolution as the prog to open the  
file.  But a) Rev isn't in the list...  and b) if I then "browse" for  
Rev, the PC won't add Rev to the list or associate it with the file.

Upshot is, I can't double-click file (without opening wrong program)  
or drag file to Rev program (if I do, it opens Rev but Rev ignores  
file).  The only way I can open the file is by ctrl-O and choosing  
from dlog... - and that's just oh-so-last-century...

Do any of you Windows experts have any suggestions?  Do I have a  
screwed up registry or something?  Or just a screwed up Mac user?

Help!

Chris


From jhonken at x12.info  Wed Mar 22 10:31:47 2006
From: jhonken at x12.info (Jeff Honken)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 08:31:47 -0700
Subject: Option Box
Message-ID: <000001c64dc5$be928fd0$670fa8c0@work1>

I'm using an option box in my application to allow a user to choose a
static list.  I'm using the "on menuPick" handler to save the
information to a database.  The information saves if you use the mouse
to choose the value.  The problem is when you a user tabs into the field
and then uses the down arrow to identify their choice. They then tab or
return out of the field.  The data doesn't update to the new value.  Is
there another handler I should be using?  Jeff

           




From rcozens at pon.net  Wed Mar 22 10:31:58 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 07:31:58 -0800
Subject: Application Browser Anomaly
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860603211557v3967b3d6y696a1e9d8257b7a4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>
	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>
	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<2EBCE408-B8F8-11DA-BD42-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<f99b52860603211557v3967b3d6y696a1e9d8257b7a4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003F89A0-B9B9-11DA-8FFE-0030657E1638@pon.net>

> Go to Rev's Preferences, the Application Browser section. There you
> can set exactly what you want to happen when you double-click with or
> without modifier keys.

Thanks Sarah,

Rob



From rcozens at pon.net  Wed Mar 22 10:32:38 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 07:32:38 -0800
Subject: Progress Made?
In-Reply-To: <44209CFC.9000808@qwest.net>
References: <44209CFC.9000808@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <17F8B852-B9B9-11DA-8FFE-0030657E1638@pon.net>


Hi Arthur,

> Has there been any progress with the perpetual crashing in WinXP?

I personally have made progress: I have not crashed the Script Editor 
(or anything else) in over a week.

What have I done?  I've made a conscious effort to apply the changes 
made to each handler in a script before changing another handler in the 
same script.

If you, like moi, tend to modify more than one handler in a large 
script before applying the changes, you might try doing what I'm doing 
and see if you find the SE more stable.

Or you might, as I promised RR Support I would, try opening a stack 
with a large script and start cutting and pasting between the script 
and a text file at random to see if you can force a crash.


Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From rcozens at pon.net  Wed Mar 22 10:34:06 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 07:34:06 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <A35AD941-61E2-4D29-994A-06F2BBE38D55@inspiredlogic.com>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<02117863-B837-11DA-BF46-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<97F32A0F-F818-4A02-A0D6-39F8E8E9329F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<3362660E-B915-11DA-B8F4-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<A35AD941-61E2-4D29-994A-06F2BBE38D55@inspiredlogic.com>
Message-ID: <4CAD5779-B9B9-11DA-8FFE-0030657E1638@pon.net>


Hi Geoff,

>  -- breaking out routines for local vs. server connection

You're ignoring my notes: application requirement: the calling syntax 
must be identical for client, server, and single user.

>  -- breaking out a routine for when we're just counting records that 
> match vs. returning data

Why? It is not used anywhere else but in this handler.  Like Chipp, if 
I find a need for the logic in another handler, I'll generalize it.

>  -- breaking out a routine that, given a itemList describing a set of 
> fields, returns the data from those fields
>

Why? It is not used anywhere else but in this handler.  Like Chipp, if 
I find a need for the logic in another handler, I'll generalize it.  
And actually, theSDRecordMatches function handles most of that logic.

> to me a routine like this is more than five times as difficult to 
> understand/debug/manage than the five twenty line routines that might 
> replace it.
>

Where's the beef!  Show me the money!  Divide findSDRecord into five 
twenty-line routines and post the result.

I must say, Geoff, you seem to have a penchant for splitting handlers 
when there is no need to do so.

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From henk at iglow-media.nl  Wed Mar 22 10:40:28 2006
From: henk at iglow-media.nl (Henk van der Velden)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:40:28 +0100
Subject: imagedata in Word XML
In-Reply-To: <20060319180007.0DDA48264FE@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060319180007.0DDA48264FE@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <734C18D5-F51A-4E62-9820-E5721C92547E@iglow-media.nl>

Hello Rob e.a.

On 19-mrt-2006, at 19:00, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

>>> Indeed does the text of an image contain binary data, but it  
>>> looks like it's in the PNG format.
>>> I will do some testing.
>>> If the text of an image is PNG binary data, and the Word file  
>>> contains only PNG images, I would be able to set the text of an  
>>> image to the decoded text from the WordXML node.
>>
>> one could also try to simply "put" the data into an image!
>>
>> -> put url("binfile:image.png") into img 1
>> does work, so this is a least worth a try :-)
>>
>
> My assumption is that, just as changing an object's top property  
> automatically changes other related properties (eg:  
> topLeft,bottomRight, loc, etc.), changing an image's text property  
> will automatically change imageData and other "text-related"  
> properties of the image.  I'm a few days away from testing this  
> issue myself.

I've done some testing, here are my results:
- when an image is loaded, it's text property is not set; when it is  
imported, it is.
- when the text property of an image is changed, the imageData,  
width, height etc also change.

So now I can use the binary data from the Word XML file,  decode  
them, create a new, empty image on the card and set the text of that  
image to the decoded binary data.

Henk


From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Wed Mar 22 10:59:28 2006
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 07:59:28 -0800
Subject: How can I pass a handler a long ID as a string?
In-Reply-To: <B6E43BE9-5844-47B4-AA82-136C710669E5@mac.com>
References: <B6E43BE9-5844-47B4-AA82-136C710669E5@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B49816C0-F39C-4D58-AD07-FD98E01AC678@inspiredlogic.com>

I've hit this before. I generally postfix a cr like so:

   put (the long id of fld "myField" of cd "myCard" of stack  
"myStack") & cr into tParam
   myHandler tParam

Then in myHandler:

on myHandler pID
   delete char -1 of pID -- ready to go now

or if it could be a list:

on myHandler pIDList
   repeat for each line tID in pIDList

On Mar 22, 2006, at 6:47 AM, Graham Samuel wrote:

> I've never come across this before, and it's got me confused. I  
> have a handler, say "myHandler" that has a couple of parameters  
> which are intended to be the long ids of objects (actually fields).  
> The handler manipulates the fields, something like
>
>   on myHandler para1
>
>     do "put empty into"&&para1
>
>     ...
>
>   end myHandler
>
> I find that this works if the parameters are set in the same  
> context as the handler itself - for example in a 'mouseUp' handler  
> on the card where I've put the code of myHandler, but if I call it  
> from elsewhere with a call like
>
>    myHandler (the long id of fld "myField" of cd "myCard" of stack  
> "myStack")
>
> I find that during the call the engine evaluates the parameter and  
> passes me the contents of the field, and not the reference to the  
> field. What I want is to pass the long id to my handler as a  
> **string**. I can't see why this doesn't work, and more importantly  
> so far I'm stuck for a way round it. I've tried
>
>   put the long id of fld "myField" of cd "myCard" of stack  
> "myStack" into temp
>   myHandler temp
>
> but it has exactly the same effect.
>
> What am I doing wrong?
>
> TIA
>
> Graham
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
> Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France
>
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From pmbrig at comcast.net  Wed Mar 22 11:21:28 2006
From: pmbrig at comcast.net (pmbrig at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:21:28 +0000
Subject: clipboarddata["html"] problem
Message-ID: <032220061621.5064.442179880008F261000013C8220730079309079D0D039F@comcast.net>

I am using a button to put a text field on the clipboard. I set the clipboarddata["html"] to the htmltext of the field, then when I try to paste into MS Word, my field formatting does not come through. Instead, the default textFont and textSize for the stack is what determines the format of the pasted text -- I have experimented with this, and changing the field properties has zero effect on the paste, whereas changing the stack properties changes the paste. As an added complication, though, setting the textFont of the stack works perfectly, but when I set the textSize of the stack to 10, it comes through as 12. All other sizes work the way they are supposed to: stack textSize of 9 results in size 9 text in the paste, stack textSize of 14 comes through as 14, etc. Only stack textSize of 10 comes through as 12.

here's the relevant portion of the script:

put fld "wordPath" into wordpath
put fld "letterPath" into letterPath
put theHdr into fld "formatPrintText"
set the textFont of fld "formatPrintText" to "Bookman Old Style"
set the textSize of fld "formatPrintText" to "10"
set the clipboarddata["html"] to the htmltext of fld "formatPrintText"
set the clipboarddata["text"] to theHdr -- * see below
launch letterPath with wordpath

* (I've tried not setting the clipboarddata["text"] and it makes no difference.)

I'm puzzled. The clipboarddata["html"] clearly is not getting set properly. I am using Dreamcard v2.6.1 build 152 on a Mac iBook running OSX v10.4.5, and Word for Mac v11.2.3. The problem with the size 10 getting seen as size 12 appears to be a Word problem, since the paste into another text app comes through as expected.

Why doesn't the htmlText of the field get onto the clipboard?
Why in the world should the default text properties of the stack have any effect here?

Peter M. Brigham


From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Wed Mar 22 11:22:36 2006
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 08:22:36 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <4CAD5779-B9B9-11DA-8FFE-0030657E1638@pon.net>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<02117863-B837-11DA-BF46-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<97F32A0F-F818-4A02-A0D6-39F8E8E9329F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<3362660E-B915-11DA-B8F4-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<A35AD941-61E2-4D29-994A-06F2BBE38D55@inspiredlogic.com>
	<4CAD5779-B9B9-11DA-8FFE-0030657E1638@pon.net>
Message-ID: <6A75A57F-22E3-4039-A009-50B5093C2980@inspiredlogic.com>


On Mar 22, 2006, at 7:34 AM, Rob Cozens wrote:

>
> Hi Geoff,
>
>>  -- breaking out routines for local vs. server connection
>
> You're ignoring my notes: application requirement: the calling  
> syntax must be identical for client, server, and single user.

That's fine -- I'm just saying that the routine would look something  
like:

on doSomething pArg
   if tSingleUser then
     doSomethingForSingleUser pArg
   else
     doSomethingForMultiUser pArg
   end if
end doSomething pArg

This way the user can call the routine without regard to whether it's  
single user or multiuser, but you don't have two big chunks of code  
lumped together in one handler that can easily be separated.

>
>>  -- breaking out a routine for when we're just counting records  
>> that match vs. returning data
>
> Why? It is not used anywhere else but in this handler.  Like Chipp,  
> if I find a need for the logic in another handler, I'll generalize it.

Because it gets rid of a bunch of if statements in your repeat loop.  
It costs you a bit in that the repeat structure is duplicated in the  
routine that simply counts, so that's a tradeoff. But your repeat  
ends up being faster because you aren't doing tests each time through.

Further, your code ends up being easier to understand, because one  
routine simply counts, while one returns data -- more clear.

>
>>  -- breaking out a routine that, given a itemList describing a set  
>> of fields, returns the data from those fields
>>
>
> Why? It is not used anywhere else but in this handler.  Like Chipp,  
> if I find a need for the logic in another handler, I'll generalize  
> it.  And actually, theSDRecordMatches function handles most of that  
> logic.

Just because something isn't used anywhere else doesn't mean it  
should be lumped in. If it can be clearly expressed as a single  
action (given an itemList describing a set of fields, return the data  
from those fields) it can be broken out, and both routines will be  
easier to understand as a result.

>
>> to me a routine like this is more than five times as difficult to  
>> understand/debug/manage than the five twenty line routines that  
>> might replace it.
>>
>
> Where's the beef!  Show me the money!  Divide findSDRecord into  
> five twenty-line routines and post the result.
>
> I must say, Geoff, you seem to have a penchant for splitting  
> handlers when there is no need to do so.

I obviously don't know SDB well enough to:

  -- know what's right for it by my standards
  -- know what's right for it by your standards
  -- change code (or propose changes) in it without knowing the  
context in which the code operates

I thought a bit before offering comment. Maybe not long enough ;-) If  
I've offended, I apologize. It wasn't my intention to cast stones at  
anyone's house in particular.

If you can indulge me for just a moment longer, though, I'd like to  
throw out an analogy. Look at your comments above. The same thing  
could have been said as:

On Mar 22, 2006, at 7:34 AM, Rob Cozens wrote:
> Hi Geoff, You're ignoring my notes: application requirement: the  
> calling syntax must be identical for client, server, and single  
> user. Why? It is not used anywhere else but in this handler.  Like  
> Chipp, if I find a need for the logic in another handler, I'll  
> generalize it. Why? It is not used anywhere else but in this  
> handler.  Like Chipp, if I find a need for the logic in another  
> handler, I'll generalize it.  And actually, theSDRecordMatches  
> function handles most of that logic. Where's the beef!  Show me the  
> money!  Divide findSDRecord into five twenty-line routines and post  
> the result. I must say, Geoff, you seem to have a penchant for  
> splitting handlers when there is no need to do so. Rob Cozens CCW,  
> Serendipity Software Company "And I, which was two fooles, do so  
> grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee." from "The  
> Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)

Breaking up your comments into paragraphs doesn't change the meaning  
of what you said, but it makes it clearer.

regards,

Geoff




From rcozens at pon.net  Wed Mar 22 11:29:43 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 08:29:43 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <4CAD5779-B9B9-11DA-8FFE-0030657E1638@pon.net>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<02117863-B837-11DA-BF46-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<97F32A0F-F818-4A02-A0D6-39F8E8E9329F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<3362660E-B915-11DA-B8F4-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<A35AD941-61E2-4D29-994A-06F2BBE38D55@inspiredlogic.com>
	<4CAD5779-B9B9-11DA-8FFE-0030657E1638@pon.net>
Message-ID: <1180DF29-B9C1-11DA-BE5C-0030657E1638@pon.net>

Geoff,

>  -- breaking out routines for local vs. server connection
>

Client selection [server opens all dbs as local connections]:

     replace return with numToChar(29) in itemList
     replace return with numToChar(29) in searchCriteria
     requestSDBService  
sdbBuffer,"find",packArguments(9,exactKey,fieldDelimiter,itemList,setPos 
ition,searchForward,searchCriteria,cutoffKey,recordDelimiter,unlockRecor 
d)
     get the result
     if not word 1 of it and setPosition then put word 4 of it into  
sdbPosition
     put it into sdbParameters
     return it

Every db access call has similar logic, but the second and third  
arguments are unique.  To generalize:

     replace return with numToChar(29) in itemList
     replace return with numToChar(29) in searchCriteria
     put  
packArguments(9,exactKey,fieldDelimiter,itemList,setPosition,searchForwa 
rd,searchCriteria,cutoffKey,recordDelimiter,unlockRecord) into  
packedArguments
     doGeoffsHandler sdBuffer,"find",packedArguments
     return the result

on doGeoffsHandler @sdBuffer,serviceType,packedArguments
     requestSDBService sdbBuffer,serviceType,packedArguments
     get the result
     if not word 1 of it and setPosition then put word 4 of it into  
sdbPosition
     put it into sdbParameters
     return it
end doGeoffsHandler

I've saved two lines in the original handler...for what--the need to  
look up another handler to see the full picture?

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From rcozens at pon.net  Wed Mar 22 11:37:35 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 08:37:35 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <6A75A57F-22E3-4039-A009-50B5093C2980@inspiredlogic.com>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<02117863-B837-11DA-BF46-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<97F32A0F-F818-4A02-A0D6-39F8E8E9329F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<3362660E-B915-11DA-B8F4-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<A35AD941-61E2-4D29-994A-06F2BBE38D55@inspiredlogic.com>
	<4CAD5779-B9B9-11DA-8FFE-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<6A75A57F-22E3-4039-A009-50B5093C2980@inspiredlogic.com>
Message-ID: <2A9AD986-B9C2-11DA-BE5C-0030657E1638@pon.net>

Geeze Geoff ,

>  If I've offended, I apologize.

I thought you knew me better than that.  :{`)

If I've come off pedantic or emotionally upset, then I'm sorry.

There is no right or wrong answer, it's a matter of preference...and my 
preferences are closer to Chipp's than yours in this matter.

Your friend, Cousin Rob



From rcozens at pon.net  Wed Mar 22 11:43:02 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 08:43:02 -0800
Subject: imagedata in Word XML
In-Reply-To: <734C18D5-F51A-4E62-9820-E5721C92547E@iglow-media.nl>
References: <20060319180007.0DDA48264FE@mail.runrev.com>
	<734C18D5-F51A-4E62-9820-E5721C92547E@iglow-media.nl>
Message-ID: <EDC6F0D8-B9C2-11DA-BE5C-0030657E1638@pon.net>

Hi Henk,

> - when an image is loaded, it's text property is not set; when it is 
> imported, it is.
> - when the text property of an image is changed, the imageData, width, 
> height etc also change.
>
> So now I can use the binary data from the Word XML file,  decode them, 
> create a new, empty image on the card and set the text of that image 
> to the decoded binary data.
>

That's good to know...I'm still a few days away from testing my logic.

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From rcozens at pon.net  Wed Mar 22 11:43:34 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 08:43:34 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <6A75A57F-22E3-4039-A009-50B5093C2980@inspiredlogic.com>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<02117863-B837-11DA-BF46-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<97F32A0F-F818-4A02-A0D6-39F8E8E9329F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<3362660E-B915-11DA-B8F4-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<A35AD941-61E2-4D29-994A-06F2BBE38D55@inspiredlogic.com>
	<4CAD5779-B9B9-11DA-8FFE-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<6A75A57F-22E3-4039-A009-50B5093C2980@inspiredlogic.com>
Message-ID: <00DE7D50-B9C3-11DA-BE5C-0030657E1638@pon.net>

  Geoff:

> on doSomething pArg
>   if tSingleUser then
>     doSomethingForSingleUser pArg
>   else
>     doSomethingForMultiUser pArg
>   end if
> end doSomething pArg
>
>

> doSomethingForMultiUser pArg

is the seven lines I used as an example in my last post, the remaining 
90 lines comprise doSomethingForSingleUser pArg

Rob



From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Wed Mar 22 12:09:33 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:09:33 +0000
Subject: How can I pass a handler a long ID as a string?
In-Reply-To: <B6E43BE9-5844-47B4-AA82-136C710669E5@mac.com>
References: <B6E43BE9-5844-47B4-AA82-136C710669E5@mac.com>
Message-ID: <9A05DA0C-F1DB-4371-B14B-FD8748EB826E@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,


Instead of doing:

myHandler (the long id of fld "myField" of cd "myCard" of stack  
"myStack")

do

myHandler (the long id of me)


That should fix it!

All the Best
Dave

On 22 Mar 2006, at 14:47, Graham Samuel wrote:

> I've never come across this before, and it's got me confused. I  
> have a handler, say "myHandler" that has a couple of parameters  
> which are intended to be the long ids of objects (actually fields).  
> The handler manipulates the fields, something like
>
>   on myHandler para1
>
>     do "put empty into"&&para1
>
>     ...
>
>   end myHandler
>
> I find that this works if the parameters are set in the same  
> context as the handler itself - for example in a 'mouseUp' handler  
> on the card where I've put the code of myHandler, but if I call it  
> from elsewhere with a call like
>
>    myHandler (the long id of fld "myField" of cd "myCard" of stack  
> "myStack")
>
> I find that during the call the engine evaluates the parameter and  
> passes me the contents of the field, and not the reference to the  
> field. What I want is to pass the long id to my handler as a  
> **string**. I can't see why this doesn't work, and more importantly  
> so far I'm stuck for a way round it. I've tried
>
>   put the long id of fld "myField" of cd "myCard" of stack  
> "myStack" into temp
>   myHandler temp
>
> but it has exactly the same effect.
>
> What am I doing wrong?
>
> TIA
>
> Graham
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
> Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France
>
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From rcozens at pon.net  Wed Mar 22 12:11:43 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:11:43 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <6A75A57F-22E3-4039-A009-50B5093C2980@inspiredlogic.com>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<02117863-B837-11DA-BF46-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<97F32A0F-F818-4A02-A0D6-39F8E8E9329F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<3362660E-B915-11DA-B8F4-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<A35AD941-61E2-4D29-994A-06F2BBE38D55@inspiredlogic.com>
	<4CAD5779-B9B9-11DA-8FFE-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<6A75A57F-22E3-4039-A009-50B5093C2980@inspiredlogic.com>
Message-ID: <EFA7F9AA-B9C6-11DA-8753-0030657E1638@pon.net>


Geoff,

> Because it gets rid of a bunch of if statements in your repeat loop. 
> It costs you a bit in that the repeat structure is duplicated in the 
> routine that simply counts, so that's a tradeoff. But your repeat ends 
> up being faster because you aren't doing tests each time through.
>
> Further, your code ends up being easier to understand, because one 
> routine simply counts, while one returns data -- more clear.
>

The function here is to count, and optionally select data from, records 
that match search criteria.  To count and select in separate logic 
means parsing all records twice.

I did find this logic:

         repeat for each line itemNumber in itemList
           put sdbFieldNumber(itemNumber) into itemNumber

that should be evaluated once all error checks are passed:

         put empty into rawItemNumbers
         repeat for each line itemNumber in itemList
           put sdbFieldNumber(itemNumber)&return after rawItemNumers
         end repeat
         put rawItemNumers into itemList

and removed from the repeat loop...thanks.

Other than that, I don't see much efficiency to be gained here.

Also, if you look closely at "if countOnly" statements, you will find 
that they are in repeat exit logic, and never get executed more than 
once.

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Wed Mar 22 12:34:52 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:34:52 +0000
Subject: Why doesn't this select work???
In-Reply-To: <EDC6F0D8-B9C2-11DA-BE5C-0030657E1638@pon.net>
References: <20060319180007.0DDA48264FE@mail.runrev.com>
	<734C18D5-F51A-4E62-9820-E5721C92547E@iglow-media.nl>
	<EDC6F0D8-B9C2-11DA-BE5C-0030657E1638@pon.net>
Message-ID: <AD5D024F-634E-4606-8F7E-24BA2752C50E@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

The following fails when executing:

select before line 1 of me

or

select before me

This is in a handler inside a List Field.

All I want to do is to deselect anything that is selected and scroll  
the list to the beginning.\

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave




From gilbert at isphlg.rimed.cu  Wed Mar 22 13:38:54 2006
From: gilbert at isphlg.rimed.cu (Gilberto Cuba)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 13:38:54 -0500
Subject: Minimize stack...
Message-ID: <005601c64ddf$f269e5f0$1c037b98@p42600>

Hi,

I have a Rev 2.6 in a Debian Sarge distributions, and I tried to minimize my
 application in KDE, it work very fine, but I tried to minimized in GNOME
 that is not work. Why?

 How I can minimize my application in GNOME?

 Best regards,

 Gilberto Cuba 




From mark at maseurope.net  Wed Mar 22 12:39:54 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:39:54 +0000
Subject: Why doesn't this select work???
In-Reply-To: <AD5D024F-634E-4606-8F7E-24BA2752C50E@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <20060319180007.0DDA48264FE@mail.runrev.com>
	<734C18D5-F51A-4E62-9820-E5721C92547E@iglow-media.nl>
	<EDC6F0D8-B9C2-11DA-BE5C-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<AD5D024F-634E-4606-8F7E-24BA2752C50E@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <DD21571C-D30D-447F-B4BC-F78399957B56@maseurope.net>

set the hilitedLine of me to 0
set the vScroll of me to 0

should work.

Mark

On 22 Mar 2006, at 17:34, David Burgun wrote:

> Hi,
>
> The following fails when executing:
>
> select before line 1 of me
>
> or
>
> select before me
>
> This is in a handler inside a List Field.
>
> All I want to do is to deselect anything that is selected and  
> scroll the list to the beginning.\
>
> Thanks a lot
> All the Best
> Dave
>
>
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From gizmotron at earthlink.net  Wed Mar 22 12:52:08 2006
From: gizmotron at earthlink.net (Mark Brownell)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:52:08 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: HTML tags in XML
Message-ID: <5036999.1143049928775.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


>From: Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu>
>Hi Folks,
>
>Is it possible to store html styled text in an xml document and then  
>successfully retrieve the text with html markup intact?
>
>I'm working on an application where I need to save styled text in an  
>XML document. I can successfully insert the htmlText of the styled  
>field into the xml document so I end up with a node that looks like  
>this:
>
><comments>
>Here are my comments.
>Some of the text is colored <font color="#FF0000">red</font> &  
><font color="#0000FF">blue</font>
></comments>
>
>However, when I read this node in with the revXMLNodeContents()  
>function the html tags are stripped out and all I get is naked text.  
>Here's a code snippet:
>
>Devin


Use a pull-parser function (see below)

Example :
put PNLPgetElement("<pullThisTag>", "</pullThisTag>", tPullThis) into tPullThisTag

for elements:

function PNLPgetElement tStTag, tEdTag, stngToSch
   put empty into zapped
   put the number of chars in tStTag into dChars
   put offset(tStTag,stngToSch) into tNum1
   put offset(tEdTag,stngToSch) into tNum2
   if tNum1 < 1 then
     return "error"
     exit PNLPgetElement
   end if
   if tNum2 < 1 then
     return "error"
     exit PNLPgetElement
   end if
   put char (tNum1 + dChars) to (tNum2 - 1) of stngToSch into zapped
   return zapped
end PNLPgetElement


For an array of elements:

function getPNLPelements tStartTag, tEndTag, StringToSearch
   put empty into tArray
   put 0 into tStart1
   put 0 into tStart2
   put 1 into tElementNum
   put the number of chars in tStartTag into dChars
   repeat
     put offset(tStartTag,StringToSearch,tStart1) into tNum1
     put (tNum1 + tStart1) into tStart1
     if tNum1 < 1 then exit repeat
     put offset(tEndTag,StringToSearch,tStart2) into tNum2
     put (tNum2 + tStart2) into tStart2
     if tNum2 < 1 then exit repeat
     --if tNum2 < tNum1 then exit repeat
     put char (tStart1 + dChars) to (tStart2 - 1) of StringToSearch into zapped
     put zapped into tArray[tElementNum]
     add 1 to tElementNum
   end repeat
   return tArray
end getPNLPelements



From tariel at mac.com  Wed Mar 22 13:02:19 2006
From: tariel at mac.com (Tariel Gogoberidze)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 13:02:19 -0500
Subject: Windows Dunce Question (probably OT)
In-Reply-To: <20060322152030.0656D825C76@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060322152030.0656D825C76@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <5fe9507935df4bf61600f326ba539ad9@mac.com>


On Mar 22, 2006, at 10:20 AM, Chris Carroll-Davis wrote:

> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:12:37 +0000
> From: Chris Carroll-Davis <chris at carroll-davis.co.uk>
>
> Hello folks.
>
> Question here from complete Windows dope.  What am I doing wrong?
> I've installed Rev on PC to test and tweak stuff I've written on Mac.
> But... any .rev files I see have the wrong icon. Presumably the file
> association is wrong on my system.  I have tried going to
> "properties" of file and choosing Revolution as the prog to open the
> file.
>  But a) Rev isn't in the list...  and b) if I then "browse" for
> Rev, the PC won't add Rev to the list or associate it with the file.
>
> Upshot is, I can't double-click file (without opening wrong program)


Any chance this "wrong program" is WinRAR ?

WinRAR uses the same file extension ".rev" as Revolution does  and if 
it's installed prior to Revolution it would change Rev icons to it's 
own.

My solution was to change ".rev" file association directly in registry. 
WinRAR applies ".rev" extension to rarely used archives (recovery 
volumes, which can be later used to reconstruct missing files in volume 
set and only for very specific cases on top of that).

So, in my case, because I'm not using such types of WinRAR archives, 
this solution was fine.

best regards
Tariel


> or drag file to Rev program (if I do, it opens Rev but Rev ignores
> file).  The only way I can open the file is by ctrl-O and choosing
> from dlog... - and that's just oh-so-last-century...
>
> Do any of you Windows experts have any suggestions?  Do I have a
> screwed up registry or something?  Or just a screwed up Mac user?
>
> Help!
>
> Chris



From chris at carroll-davis.co.uk  Wed Mar 22 13:17:43 2006
From: chris at carroll-davis.co.uk (Chris Carroll-Davis)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:17:43 +0000
Subject: Windows Dunce Question (probably OT)
In-Reply-To: <5fe9507935df4bf61600f326ba539ad9@mac.com>
References: <20060322152030.0656D825C76@mail.runrev.com>
	<5fe9507935df4bf61600f326ba539ad9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <D700FDBD-9F8E-4266-94EE-38947C4A321C@carroll-davis.co.uk>

Tariel -

good suggestion, but no.  Initially I thought it was something like  
that because the icons came up consistently with Adobe PDF icons.   
But I can change the file association to more or less any program  
using the file profile options.  The problem here though is the fact  
that Windows refuses to let me associate the files with *Rev*.  It  
lets me browse for for a program, but if I choose Rev it just ignores  
it.  (I think I got Adobe PDF icons simply because "Adobe" begins  
with "A" so that was  the first prog in the list!)

:-(

Driving me nuts, this one!

Thanks for the suggestion,

C


On 22 Mar 2006, at 18:02, Tariel Gogoberidze wrote:

>
> On Mar 22, 2006, at 10:20 AM, Chris Carroll-Davis wrote:
>
>> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:12:37 +0000
>> From: Chris Carroll-Davis <chris at carroll-davis.co.uk>
>>
>> Hello folks.
>>
>> Question here from complete Windows dope.  What am I doing wrong?
>> I've installed Rev on PC to test and tweak stuff I've written on Mac.
>> But... any .rev files I see have the wrong icon. Presumably the file
>> association is wrong on my system.  I have tried going to
>> "properties" of file and choosing Revolution as the prog to open the
>> file.
>>  But a) Rev isn't in the list...  and b) if I then "browse" for
>> Rev, the PC won't add Rev to the list or associate it with the file.
>>
>> Upshot is, I can't double-click file (without opening wrong program)
>
>
> Any chance this "wrong program" is WinRAR ?
>
> WinRAR uses the same file extension ".rev" as Revolution does  and  
> if it's installed prior to Revolution it would change Rev icons to  
> it's own.
>
> My solution was to change ".rev" file association directly in  
> registry. WinRAR applies ".rev" extension to rarely used archives  
> (recovery volumes, which can be later used to reconstruct missing  
> files in volume set and only for very specific cases on top of that).
>
> So, in my case, because I'm not using such types of WinRAR  
> archives, this solution was fine.
>
> best regards
> Tariel
>
>
>> or drag file to Rev program (if I do, it opens Rev but Rev ignores
>> file).  The only way I can open the file is by ctrl-O and choosing
>> from dlog... - and that's just oh-so-last-century...
>>
>> Do any of you Windows experts have any suggestions?  Do I have a
>> screwed up registry or something?  Or just a screwed up Mac user?
>>
>> Help!
>>
>> Chris
>
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From jhonken at x12.info  Wed Mar 22 13:25:23 2006
From: jhonken at x12.info (Jeff Honken)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:25:23 -0700
Subject: Option Box
In-Reply-To: <000001c64dc5$be928fd0$670fa8c0@work1>
Message-ID: <000001c64ddd$fbf97a60$670fa8c0@work1>

I figured this on out.  I was grabbing the selectedtext vs the label. 

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Honken
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 8:32 AM
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Subject: Option Box

I'm using an option box in my application to allow a user to choose a
static list.  I'm using the "on menuPick" handler to save the
information to a database.  The information saves if you use the mouse
to choose the value.  The problem is when you a user tabs into the field
and then uses the down arrow to identify their choice. They then tab or
return out of the field.  The data doesn't update to the new value.  Is
there another handler I should be using?  Jeff

           


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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Wed Mar 22 13:26:01 2006
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 13:26:01 -0500
Subject: Editing a VB script from within Revolution
Message-ID: <742CF51D-9D08-4EBA-8185-65F20DE7AFE9@adelphia.net>

Hello,

Does anyone know or can show me how to edit and run a VB script from  
with a Rev stack?

I want to change item's in the VB script and then run it like I am  
doing with Applescript on the Mac side.

I know how to launch an external script from within REV but I want to  
run a script stored in a field or custom property within REV.

answer file "Run VB script" with "OK" and "Cancel"
if it is not " then launch it with "WScript.exe"

Also, Does anyone know how to get VB scripts to execute with out  
having the user to instal WSH WScript.exe ?


Thanks for any help in advance.

Tom


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3mcgrath at adelphia.net

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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Mar 22 13:32:08 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 12:32:08 -0600
Subject: Editing a VB script from within Revolution
In-Reply-To: <742CF51D-9D08-4EBA-8185-65F20DE7AFE9@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <C046F448.382AF%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/22/06 12:26 PM, "Thomas McGrath III" <3mcgrath at adelphia.net> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Does anyone know or can show me how to edit and run a VB script from
> with a Rev stack?
> 
> I want to change item's in the VB script and then run it like I am
> doing with Applescript on the Mac side.
> 
> I know how to launch an external script from within REV but I want to
> run a script stored in a field or custom property within REV.
> 
> answer file "Run VB script" with "OK" and "Cancel"
> if it is not " then launch it with "WScript.exe"
> 
> Also, Does anyone know how to get VB scripts to execute with out
> having the user to instal WSH WScript.exe ?

Yes, you can use 'cscript.exe' and run it from the command-line. Here's my
all-purpose handler for running scripts from Rev:

function stsDoScript pScript,pScriptType,pDirectToConsole
  if pScriptType ="" then put "AppleScript" into pScriptType
  
  replace "`" with quote in pScript
  switch pScriptType
  case "AppleScript"
  case "AS"
    do pScript as "AppleScript"
    put the result into tResult
    break
  case "VB Script"
  case "VBS"
    set the hideConsoleWindows to true
    if pDirectToConsole = "" then
      put "C:\libVBS_temp.vbs" into tVBSPath
      put pScript into url ("file:" & tVBSPath)
      get shell("cscript.exe //nologo" && tVBSPath)
    else
      get shell("cscript.exe" && pScript)
    end if
    put it into tResult
    if there is a file tVBSPath then
      send "delete file" && quote & tVBSPath & quote to me in 1 second
    end if
    break
  case "JS"
  case "JavaScript"
    if "javascript" is among the lines of the alternateLanguages then
      do pScript as "JavaScript"
      put the result into tResult
    else
      put "Error: JavaScript OSA component not installed." into tResult
    end if
    break
  end switch
  return tResult
end stsDoScript

To call it, do something like:

put the uVBScript of this stack into tScript
-- or wherever you have your VBS code
get stsDoScript(tScript,"VBS")
if it <> "" then
  answer it
end if

HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Mar 22 13:35:07 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 12:35:07 -0600
Subject: imagedata in Word XML
In-Reply-To: <734C18D5-F51A-4E62-9820-E5721C92547E@iglow-media.nl>
Message-ID: <C046F4FB.382B1%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/22/06 9:40 AM, "Henk van der Velden" <henk at iglow-media.nl> wrote:

> I've done some testing, here are my results:
> - when an image is loaded, it's text property is not set; when it is
> imported, it is.
> - when the text property of an image is changed, the imageData,
> width, height etc also change.
> 
> So now I can use the binary data from the Word XML file,  decode
> them, create a new, empty image on the card and set the text of that
> image to the decoded binary data.

Henk, is this code that can be shared with the Rev community? If so, that
would be great...


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Wed Mar 22 13:51:46 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:51:46 +0000
Subject: Weirdness Passing Messages
In-Reply-To: <EFA7F9AA-B9C6-11DA-8753-0030657E1638@pon.net>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<02117863-B837-11DA-BF46-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<97F32A0F-F818-4A02-A0D6-39F8E8E9329F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<3362660E-B915-11DA-B8F4-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<A35AD941-61E2-4D29-994A-06F2BBE38D55@inspiredlogic.com>
	<4CAD5779-B9B9-11DA-8FFE-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<6A75A57F-22E3-4039-A009-50B5093C2980@inspiredlogic.com>
	<EFA7F9AA-B9C6-11DA-8753-0030657E1638@pon.net>
Message-ID: <68403533-585E-4836-A0FF-AD091C027707@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

I have a 2 Stacks, StackMain and StackUtil. I used StackUtil as a  
"library stack" via the start using command.

In the Stack Script for StackUtil I have the following functions:

PutMessage()
ListenForMessages()

In StackMain Card 2 ObjectX, I do:

function InitObject
get ListenForMessages("MessageX")
end InitObject

on MessageX
put "MessageX" into me
get PutMessage("MessageY")
end MessageX

on mouseUp
put "MessageX" into me
get PutMessage("MessageY")
end mouseUp


In StackMain Card 2 ObjectY, I do:

function InitObject
get ListenForMessages("MessageY")
end InitObject

on MessageY
put "MessageY" into me
end MessageY


In StackMain Card 2 ObjectA, I do:

on mouseUp
get PutMessage("MessageX")
end mouseUp


If I press the button associated with Card 1 Object, then MessageX  
gets called in Card 2 ObjectX ok and ObjectX gets set to "MessageX".  
All is fine. MessageY in Card 2 ObjectY gets called ok too, BUT the  
field is NOT set to "MessageY" as expected????? However if I press  
the button associated with Card 2 ObjectX, again the MessageY in Card  
2 ObjectY gets called AND the field is set ok. All is fine.

The message passing has been tested and it works fine in general, but  
it seems like the following path does not work:

Card1:ObjectA:mouseUp -->Card2:MessageX:Card2:MessageY does not work.

But

Card2:ObjectX:mouseUp -->Card2:MessageY works ok.

The weird thing is that the handlers do get called and I have stepped  
over the statement that does:
put "MessageY" into me and that seems to work. However, when you  
select card 2, the field has not been changed.

Any Ideas???
Thanks in Advance
All the Best
Dave








From aturban at qwest.net  Wed Mar 22 13:54:28 2006
From: aturban at qwest.net (Arthur Urban)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:54:28 -0700
Subject: Windows Dunce Question (probably OT)
In-Reply-To: <D700FDBD-9F8E-4266-94EE-38947C4A321C@carroll-davis.co.uk>
References: <20060322152030.0656D825C76@mail.runrev.com>	<5fe9507935df4bf61600f326ba539ad9@mac.com>
	<D700FDBD-9F8E-4266-94EE-38947C4A321C@carroll-davis.co.uk>
Message-ID: <44219D64.1060402@qwest.net>

I have the exact same problem. I've had no luck fixing it so far.

Chris Carroll-Davis wrote:
> Tariel -
>
> good suggestion, but no.  Initially I thought it was something like 
> that because the icons came up consistently with Adobe PDF icons.  But 
> I can change the file association to more or less any program using 
> the file profile options.  The problem here though is the fact that 
> Windows refuses to let me associate the files with *Rev*.  It lets me 
> browse for for a program, but if I choose Rev it just ignores it.  (I 
> think I got Adobe PDF icons simply because "Adobe" begins with "A" so 
> that was  the first prog in the list!)
>
> :-(
>
> Driving me nuts, this one!
>
> Thanks for the suggestion,
>
> C
>
>
> On 22 Mar 2006, at 18:02, Tariel Gogoberidze wrote:
>
>>
>> On Mar 22, 2006, at 10:20 AM, Chris Carroll-Davis wrote:
>>
>>> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:12:37 +0000
>>> From: Chris Carroll-Davis <chris at carroll-davis.co.uk>
>>>
>>> Hello folks.
>>>
>>> Question here from complete Windows dope.  What am I doing wrong?
>>> I've installed Rev on PC to test and tweak stuff I've written on Mac.
>>> But... any .rev files I see have the wrong icon. Presumably the file
>>> association is wrong on my system.  I have tried going to
>>> "properties" of file and choosing Revolution as the prog to open the
>>> file.
>>>  But a) Rev isn't in the list...  and b) if I then "browse" for
>>> Rev, the PC won't add Rev to the list or associate it with the file.
>>>
>>> Upshot is, I can't double-click file (without opening wrong program)
>>
>>
>> Any chance this "wrong program" is WinRAR ?
>>
>> WinRAR uses the same file extension ".rev" as Revolution does  and if 
>> it's installed prior to Revolution it would change Rev icons to it's 
>> own.
>>
>> My solution was to change ".rev" file association directly in 
>> registry. WinRAR applies ".rev" extension to rarely used archives 
>> (recovery volumes, which can be later used to reconstruct missing 
>> files in volume set and only for very specific cases on top of that).
>>
>> So, in my case, because I'm not using such types of WinRAR archives, 
>> this solution was fine.
>>
>> best regards
>> Tariel
>>
>>
>>> or drag file to Rev program (if I do, it opens Rev but Rev ignores
>>> file).  The only way I can open the file is by ctrl-O and choosing
>>> from dlog... - and that's just oh-so-last-century...
>>>
>>> Do any of you Windows experts have any suggestions?  Do I have a
>>> screwed up registry or something?  Or just a screwed up Mac user?
>>>
>>> Help!
>>>
>>> Chris
>>
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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Wed Mar 22 13:57:28 2006
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 13:57:28 -0500
Subject: Editing a VB script from within Revolution
In-Reply-To: <C046F448.382AF%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C046F448.382AF%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <EDB35240-750B-43EA-8930-FC2FFC9426B4@adelphia.net>

Ken,

Thanks for the quick response. Is cscript.exe available on All  
windows computers OR does it need to be installed with some certain  
software?

I have installed so many things now on the PC that I don't know what  
will work without relying on these other installs.

I am off to test your script and see what i can do.

Thanks again,

Tom

On Mar 22, 2006, at 1:32 PM, Ken Ray wrote:

> On 3/22/06 12:26 PM, "Thomas McGrath III" <3mcgrath at adelphia.net>  
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Does anyone know or can show me how to edit and run a VB script from
>> with a Rev stack?
>>
>> I want to change item's in the VB script and then run it like I am
>> doing with Applescript on the Mac side.
>>
>> I know how to launch an external script from within REV but I want to
>> run a script stored in a field or custom property within REV.
>>
>> answer file "Run VB script" with "OK" and "Cancel"
>> if it is not " then launch it with "WScript.exe"
>>
>> Also, Does anyone know how to get VB scripts to execute with out
>> having the user to instal WSH WScript.exe ?
>
> Yes, you can use 'cscript.exe' and run it from the command-line.  
> Here's my
> all-purpose handler for running scripts from Rev:
>
> function stsDoScript pScript,pScriptType,pDirectToConsole
>   if pScriptType ="" then put "AppleScript" into pScriptType
>
>   replace "`" with quote in pScript
>   switch pScriptType
>   case "AppleScript"
>   case "AS"
>     do pScript as "AppleScript"
>     put the result into tResult
>     break
>   case "VB Script"
>   case "VBS"
>     set the hideConsoleWindows to true
>     if pDirectToConsole = "" then
>       put "C:\libVBS_temp.vbs" into tVBSPath
>       put pScript into url ("file:" & tVBSPath)
>       get shell("cscript.exe //nologo" && tVBSPath)
>     else
>       get shell("cscript.exe" && pScript)
>     end if
>     put it into tResult
>     if there is a file tVBSPath then
>       send "delete file" && quote & tVBSPath & quote to me in 1 second
>     end if
>     break
>   case "JS"
>   case "JavaScript"
>     if "javascript" is among the lines of the alternateLanguages then
>       do pScript as "JavaScript"
>       put the result into tResult
>     else
>       put "Error: JavaScript OSA component not installed." into  
> tResult
>     end if
>     break
>   end switch
>   return tResult
> end stsDoScript
>
> To call it, do something like:
>
> put the uVBScript of this stack into tScript
> -- or wherever you have your VBS code
> get stsDoScript(tScript,"VBS")
> if it <> "" then
>   answer it
> end if
>
> HTH,
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
>
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Thomas J McGrath III
3mcgrath at adelphia.net

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From mark at maseurope.net  Wed Mar 22 14:02:05 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 19:02:05 +0000
Subject: Weirdness Passing Messages
In-Reply-To: <68403533-585E-4836-A0FF-AD091C027707@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<02117863-B837-11DA-BF46-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<97F32A0F-F818-4A02-A0D6-39F8E8E9329F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<3362660E-B915-11DA-B8F4-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<A35AD941-61E2-4D29-994A-06F2BBE38D55@inspiredlogic.com>
	<4CAD5779-B9B9-11DA-8FFE-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<6A75A57F-22E3-4039-A009-50B5093C2980@inspiredlogic.com>
	<EFA7F9AA-B9C6-11DA-8753-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<68403533-585E-4836-A0FF-AD091C027707@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <79D9D0FA-2E5A-48CD-B0C9-E8D8F7AA97B5@maseurope.net>

What do these functions do?

Mark

On 22 Mar 2006, at 18:51, David Burgun wrote:

> PutMessage()
> ListenForMessages()



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Mar 22 14:06:58 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 13:06:58 -0600
Subject: Editing a VB script from within Revolution
In-Reply-To: <EDB35240-750B-43EA-8930-FC2FFC9426B4@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <C046FC72.382BE%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/22/06 12:57 PM, "Thomas McGrath III" <3mcgrath at adelphia.net> wrote:

> Ken,
> 
> Thanks for the quick response. Is cscript.exe available on All
> windows computers OR does it need to be installed with some certain
> software?

All computers going back to Win98. Win95 (prior to Internet Explorer 4.0)
didn't have it yet, but Exporer 4.0 installed it. Which basically means
everyone has it.

:-)

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com




From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Wed Mar 22 14:10:46 2006
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 14:10:46 -0500
Subject: Editing a VB script from within Revolution
In-Reply-To: <C046F448.382AF%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C046F448.382AF%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <C0420330-650D-4800-A3D1-5FAB764BB83B@adelphia.net>

Ken,

If I understand this the  "VBS" will run if  "VB Script" is in  
pSriptType because there is no break after the case "VB Script"?
I just never wrote a switch that way and well, this is the first time  
I've seen that.

What is the difference between straight to console and not? Why is  
that important?

Lastly, I notice that Python is not among the parameters. Is it not a  
choice or is it so different as to not work in this case?

P.S. I just tried a vb script stored in a field and it worked and is  
awesome.

Thank you so much for this.

Tom


On Mar 22, 2006, at 1:32 PM, Ken Ray wrote:

>  case "VB Script"
>   case "VBS"
>     set the hideConsoleWindows to true
>     if pDirectToConsole = "" then

Thomas J McGrath III
3mcgrath at adelphia.net

Lazy River Software? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com

Lazy River Metal Art? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/metal.html

Meeting Wear? - http://www.cafepress.com/meetingwear

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SCIconics, LLC - http://www.sciconics.com/sciindex.html









From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Wed Mar 22 14:14:51 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 19:14:51 +0000
Subject: Weirdness Passing Messages
In-Reply-To: <79D9D0FA-2E5A-48CD-B0C9-E8D8F7AA97B5@maseurope.net>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<02117863-B837-11DA-BF46-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<97F32A0F-F818-4A02-A0D6-39F8E8E9329F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<3362660E-B915-11DA-B8F4-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<A35AD941-61E2-4D29-994A-06F2BBE38D55@inspiredlogic.com>
	<4CAD5779-B9B9-11DA-8FFE-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<6A75A57F-22E3-4039-A009-50B5093C2980@inspiredlogic.com>
	<EFA7F9AA-B9C6-11DA-8753-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<68403533-585E-4836-A0FF-AD091C027707@dsl.pipex.com>
	<79D9D0FA-2E5A-48CD-B0C9-E8D8F7AA97B5@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <30723811-F057-429A-8398-3725651B8159@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

function ListenForMessages theMessageID,theHanlderLocation

Adds to an Array (stored in a GlobalProperty of StackUtil) as so:

MessageArray[theMessageID] =  theHanlderLocation

If theMessageID is already in the Array and the Location is not  
already in the data part of the array, then it is appended, so the  
array looks like this:

    Key                      Data
"MessageX"          ObjectX of Card 2 of Stack "StackMain",ObjectY of  
Card 2 of Stack ""StackMain"

and is called like so:

ListenForMessages("MessageX",the long name of me)


function PutMessage theMessageID

Looks up theMessageID in the Array built in ListenForMessages and  
calls (via a "send" statement) the handler with the name theMessageID  
at the location(s) specified in the data part of the array.

As I said the Message handling functions seem to work fine in  
general, but not when PutMessage() is called from within a message  
handler OR when called from a different card that the one that called  
the initial message. Not sure which!

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave

On 22 Mar 2006, at 19:02, Mark Smith wrote:

> What do these functions do?
>
> Mark
>
> On 22 Mar 2006, at 18:51, David Burgun wrote:
>
>> PutMessage()
>> ListenForMessages()
>
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Wed Mar 22 14:15:48 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:15:48 -0800
Subject: Acessing button scripts in a HC stack ? - Closing Thread
In-Reply-To: <3574fbb8132b78c3c3c97eba11211041@wanadoo.fr>
References: <3574fbb8132b78c3c3c97eba11211041@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <p06230901c0475236d932@[192.168.1.103]>

Remember to convert the XCMDs & XFCNs to revolution equivalents or no 
operation  FIRST. Name the replacements with the same name of the 
XFCN. Then getting it all to work together will be a lot easier.


>Hi from Paris,
>
>Thanks for all your responses (especially Sarah &
>Jacqueline).
>
>I was stupid enough to think that in Rev, the reference
>"bg" was invalid, so I didn't even try it.
>
>I now have several ways to get what I want.
>
>On the comments about WHY I want to convert my
>HC stacks :
>
>1 - My HC stacks look so DRAB, compared to Rev,
>2 - My HC field contents are badly displayed in Rev,
>3 - My HC stacks lean heavily on XFCN's and XCMD's,
>      and so they don't run successfully,
>4 - I want to leave the HC world (with regrets), before
>      Apple pulls the plug on OS9, and all the applications
>      that go with it,
>5 - I want to run some of my stacks on the PC, to be able to
>      distribute them to my family (Family Tree), or my music
>      collegues (Song Catalogue). There are still a few people
>      in this world who insist on using PC's ......
>6 - I have unlimited time and patience on my 3 computers, and
>      even after 40 years of programming, I love using Rev.
>

-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -


From bobs at twft.com  Wed Mar 22 14:21:49 2006
From: bobs at twft.com (Robert Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:21:49 -0800
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 30, Issue 57
In-Reply-To: <20060322035306.6E9C5825669@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060322035306.6E9C5825669@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <39FB8EA1-27BA-4852-9B9D-3DE0DDBC40C4@twft.com>

Thanks Sarah great tip! It works great for development, which I  
needed presently. I will in the future be making a card which will  
act as a table listing function for various tables and their  
respective data sets, and so I will need to change them on the fly,  
by passing the tab stops along with the table and fields I want to  
display. To that end I wrote a simple function which converts column  
widths eg. 1,2,3,4 into tab stops eg 1,3,6,10. I will post it as soon  
as I am sure I have the bugs worked out.

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM

On Mar 21, 2006, at 7:53 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

> The tabstops are a cumulative number representing the pixels from the
> left of the field for each stop. If you set them to "120,125" the
> first column will be 120 pixels wide and all other columns will be 5
> pixels wide.
>
> I recommend Frederic Rinaldi's revTabRuler plugin which now comes as
> one the the standard plugins in your Rev installation. It allows you
> to set tabStops graphically by dragging  them along in his palette. I
> wrote an article about it some time ago for revJournal
> <http://www.revjournal.com/features/tabruler.html>. Just ignore the
> installation instructions as it should already be in the plugins menu.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
>



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Mar 22 14:27:11 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 13:27:11 -0600
Subject: Editing a VB script from within Revolution
In-Reply-To: <C0420330-650D-4800-A3D1-5FAB764BB83B@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <C047012F.382C5%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/22/06 1:10 PM, "Thomas McGrath III" <3mcgrath at adelphia.net> wrote:

> Ken,
> 
> If I understand this the  "VBS" will run if  "VB Script" is in
> pSriptType because there is no break after the case "VB Script"?
> I just never wrote a switch that way and well, this is the first time
> I've seen that.

Yes you're right. If there's no "break", the case will fall through to the
next case. I use this to provide different options to the end user.

> What is the difference between straight to console and not? Why is
> that important?

Excellent question, and unfortunately one I can't remember! :-)

I remember putting it into the code for others that may want to use the
option, but I never have. And after looking on Microsoft's site, it looks
like it may be no longer an option. So just ignore it for now.
 
> Lastly, I notice that Python is not among the parameters. Is it not a
> choice or is it so different as to not work in this case?

To be honest, I know so little about Python that I didn't know if you can
execute Python code in a similar way as VB Script. Do you know if it can?
I'd love to extend stsDoScript, but don't know what needs to be done.
 
> P.S. I just tried a vb script stored in a field and it worked and is
> awesome.
> 
> Thank you so much for this.

My pleasure!

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com




From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Wed Mar 22 14:28:09 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 19:28:09 +0000
Subject: Weirdness Passing Messages
In-Reply-To: <79D9D0FA-2E5A-48CD-B0C9-E8D8F7AA97B5@maseurope.net>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<02117863-B837-11DA-BF46-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<97F32A0F-F818-4A02-A0D6-39F8E8E9329F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<3362660E-B915-11DA-B8F4-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<A35AD941-61E2-4D29-994A-06F2BBE38D55@inspiredlogic.com>
	<4CAD5779-B9B9-11DA-8FFE-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<6A75A57F-22E3-4039-A009-50B5093C2980@inspiredlogic.com>
	<EFA7F9AA-B9C6-11DA-8753-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<68403533-585E-4836-A0FF-AD091C027707@dsl.pipex.com>
	<79D9D0FA-2E5A-48CD-B0C9-E8D8F7AA97B5@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <C630C0C0-676F-4617-ADF9-1F9EE1CFF977@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

Update:

If I put a breakpoint in Card2:ObjectX on the statement:

put "MessageY" into me

and then press the button in Card1:ObjectA and when I hit the  
breakpoint use the App Browser Window to manually select Card2 (so  
that it is shown instead of Card1, then the field is set to  
"MessageY" as expected, so it looks like the fact that the message  
handler is being called when Card2 is not selected is causing the put  
statement to not work!!!

Any Ideas??
Cheers
Dave

Hi,

function ListenForMessages theMessageID,theHanlderLocation

Adds to an Array (stored in a GlobalProperty of StackUtil) as so:

MessageArray[theMessageID] =  theHanlderLocation

If theMessageID is already in the Array and the Location is not  
already in the data part of the array, then it is appended, so the  
array looks like this:

    Key                      Data
"MessageX"          ObjectX of Card 2 of Stack "StackMain",ObjectY of  
Card 2 of Stack ""StackMain"

and is called like so:

ListenForMessages("MessageX",the long name of me)


function PutMessage theMessageID

Looks up theMessageID in the Array built in ListenForMessages and  
calls (via a "send" statement) the handler with the name theMessageID  
at the location(s) specified in the data part of the array.

As I said the Message handling functions seem to work fine in  
general, but not when PutMessage() is called from within a message  
handler OR when called from a different card that the one that called  
the initial message. Not sure which!

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave

On 22 Mar 2006, at 19:02, Mark Smith wrote:

> What do these functions do?
>
> Mark
>
> On 22 Mar 2006, at 18:51, David Burgun wrote:
>
>> PutMessage()
>> ListenForMessages()
>
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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Wed Mar 22 14:38:23 2006
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 14:38:23 -0500
Subject: Editing a VB script from within Revolution
In-Reply-To: <C047012F.382C5%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C047012F.382C5%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <2F36ECEB-22C3-4700-8C8B-594153F136B3@adelphia.net>

Ken,

Thanks, So which would the default be? straight to console = "" or not?

I will look into Python. Not sure myself since python scripts use  
Python or PythonWin to execute.


Thanks again,

Tom

On Mar 22, 2006, at 2:27 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
>
>> What is the difference between straight to console and not? Why is
>> that important?
>
> Excellent question, and unfortunately one I can't remember! :-)
>
> I remember putting it into the code for others that may want to use  
> the
> option, but I never have. And after looking on Microsoft's site, it  
> looks
> like it may be no longer an option. So just ignore it for now.
>
>> Lastly, I notice that Python is not among the parameters. Is it not a
>> choice or is it so different as to not work in this case?
>
> To be honest, I know so little about Python that I didn't know if  
> you can
> execute Python code in a similar way as VB Script. Do you know if  
> it can?
> I'd love to extend stsDoScript, but don't know what needs to be done.

Thomas J McGrath III
3mcgrath at adelphia.net

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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Mar 22 14:38:36 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 13:38:36 -0600
Subject: clipboarddata["html"] problem
In-Reply-To: <032220061621.5064.442179880008F261000013C8220730079309079D0D039F@comcast.net>
References: <032220061621.5064.442179880008F261000013C8220730079309079D0D039F@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4421A7BC.1080004@hyperactivesw.com>

pmbrig at comcast.net wrote:
> I am using a button to put a text field on the clipboard. I set the
> clipboarddata["html"] to the htmltext of the field, then when I try
> to paste into MS Word, my field formatting does not come through.
> Instead, the default textFont and textSize for the stack is what
> determines the format of the pasted text -- I have experimented with
> this, and changing the field properties has zero effect on the paste,
> whereas changing the stack properties changes the paste. As an added
> complication, though, setting the textFont of the stack works
> perfectly, but when I set the textSize of the stack to 10, it comes
> through as 12. All other sizes work the way they are supposed to:
> stack textSize of 9 results in size 9 text in the paste, stack
> textSize of 14 comes through as 14, etc. Only stack textSize of 10
> comes through as 12.
> 
> here's the relevant portion of the script:
> 
> put fld "wordPath" into wordpath
> put fld "letterPath" into letterPath
> put theHdr into fld "formatPrintText"
> set the textFont of fld "formatPrintText" to "Bookman Old Style"
> set the textSize of fld "formatPrintText" to "10"
> set the clipboarddata["html"] to the htmltext of fld "formatPrintText"
> set the clipboarddata["text"] to theHdr -- * see below
> launch letterPath with wordpath
> 
> * (I've tried not setting the clipboarddata["text"] and it makes no
> difference.)
> 
> I'm puzzled. The clipboarddata["html"] clearly is not getting set
> properly. I am using Dreamcard v2.6.1 build 152 on a Mac iBook
> running OSX v10.4.5, and Word for Mac v11.2.3. The problem with the
> size 10 getting seen as size 12 appears to be a Word problem, since
> the paste into another text app comes through as expected.
> 
> Why doesn't the htmlText of the field get onto the clipboard? Why in
> the world should the default text properties of the stack have any
> effect here?

When you set the text properties of a field, the text it contains has no 
styling of its own, it uses inheritance of the field's properties to 
give an appearance of styling. Therefore, when you copy that text, there 
is no particular htmltext assigned to it.

To fix that, set the styling of the actual characters in the text 
itself, which does assign html properties to the text:

set the textfont of char 1 to -1 of fld "formatPrintText" \
      to "Bookman Old Style"
set the textsize of char 1 to -1 of fld "formatPrintText" to 10

This should give the results you are looking for.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Mar 22 14:42:01 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 13:42:01 -0600
Subject: Progress Made?
In-Reply-To: <4420E901.40403@chipp.com>
References: <44209CFC.9000808@qwest.net> <4420D8AA.9060003@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4420E901.40403@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <4421A889.607@hyperactivesw.com>

Chipp Walters wrote:

 > I, too, keep having Rev crash in the middle of programming (twice in the
 > last hour). I was wondering if there's a 'recipe' for this so I can
 > watch out for it?

I'm not sure. It appears to have something to do with copying and 
pasting into the script editor, so that's when you should be most 
careful. Save a lot.

 >
 > Also, any word on when we can expect a patch?

The update release, due out Very Soon.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Mar 22 14:47:43 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 13:47:43 -0600
Subject: Progress Made?
In-Reply-To: <4420EA67.6050106@qwest.net>
References: <44209CFC.9000808@qwest.net> <4420D8AA.9060003@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4420EA67.6050106@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <4421A9DF.1050809@hyperactivesw.com>

Arthur Urban wrote:
 > It would be great if I could help out. Is there a specific means to
 > generate a crash log?

I'd like some confirmation about this from a regular XP user, but it is 
my understanding that if you get the error dialog from Windows saying 
the program must exit, there will be a button at the bottom of the 
dialog offering to show more detail. If you click that, you will see a 
bunch of gibberish. That gibberish is the crash log, which you can copy 
and paste into a text file.

However, I don't use Windows as my daily platform so if someone knows 
more, please post.

And thanks for your willingness to help. I think they have this one 
isolated now, but in the future any crashes should always be reported to 
Bugzilla.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Mar 22 14:50:52 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:50:52 -0800
Subject: Automated testing
Message-ID: <4421AA9C.2020409@fourthworld.com>

I'm putting together an article and toolkit to help with code base 
analysis for revJournal, and after slicing and dicing my way through 
dozens of stacks it had me wondering about the role of automated testing 
in Rev projects.

What sorts of automated tests are common with other languages, and what 
would be valuable in Rev?

Do any of you do automated testing?  If so, what do you test and how?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Wed Mar 22 14:57:07 2006
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9.Bisseret?=)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 20:57:07 +0100
Subject: clipboarddata["html"] problem
In-Reply-To: <032220061621.5064.442179880008F261000013C8220730079309079D0D039F@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <0A846412-B9DE-11DA-A4BC-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>


Le Wednesday, 22 Mar 2006, ? 17:21 Europe/Paris, pmbrig at comcast.net a 
?crit :

> I am using a button to put a text field on the clipboard. I set the 
> clipboarddata["html"] to the htmltext of the field, then when I try to 
> paste into MS Word, my field formatting does not come through. 
> Instead, the default textFont and textSize for the stack is what 
> determines the format of the pasted text -- I have experimented with 
> this, and changing the field properties has zero effect on the paste, 
> whereas changing the stack properties changes the paste. As an added 
> complication, though, setting the textFont of the stack works 
> perfectly, but when I set the textSize of the stack to 10, it comes 
> through as 12. All other sizes work the way they are supposed to: 
> stack textSize of 9 results in size 9 text in the paste, stack 
> textSize of 14 comes through as 14, etc. Only stack textSize of 10 
> comes through as 12.
>
> here's the relevant portion of the script:
>
> put fld "wordPath" into wordpath
> put fld "letterPath" into letterPath
> put theHdr into fld "formatPrintText"
> set the textFont of fld "formatPrintText" to "Bookman Old Style"
> set the textSize of fld "formatPrintText" to "10"
> set the clipboarddata["html"] to the htmltext of fld "formatPrintText"
> set the clipboarddata["text"] to theHdr -- * see below
> launch letterPath with wordpath
>
> * (I've tried not setting the clipboarddata["text"] and it makes no 
> difference.)
>
> I'm puzzled. The clipboarddata["html"] clearly is not getting set 
> properly. I am using Dreamcard v2.6.1 build 152 on a Mac iBook running 
> OSX v10.4.5, and Word for Mac v11.2.3. The problem with the size 10 
> getting seen as size 12 appears to be a Word problem, since the paste 
> into another text app comes through as expected.

Hi Peter,

> Why doesn't the htmlText of the field get onto the clipboard?
I recently discovered that, after "select text of fld "suchField" :

1 - put the selectedText into fld "essai"  -->> doesn't keep format 
when paste
2 - put the selection into fld "essai" -- >> idem
3 - set the clipboardData["text"] to the selectedText -->> idem
4 - set the clipboardData["text"] to the selection -- >> idem
BUT :
5 - copy the selectedText -->> paste in Word remains formatted
6 - copy the selection -- >> remains formatted
(Mac G4 ; 0SX 10.2.8 ; RR ; Word 10.1.0)

Best regards from Grenoble
Andr?

> Why in the world should the default text properties of the stack have 
> any effect here?
>
> Peter M. Brigham
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Mar 22 14:58:44 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 13:58:44 -0600
Subject: Editing a VB script from within Revolution
In-Reply-To: <2F36ECEB-22C3-4700-8C8B-594153F136B3@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <C0470894.382D5%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/22/06 1:38 PM, "Thomas McGrath III" <3mcgrath at adelphia.net> wrote:

> Ken,
> 
> Thanks, So which would the default be? straight to console = "" or not?

Yeah, just leave the third param blank.
 
> I will look into Python. Not sure myself since python scripts use
> Python or PythonWin to execute.

Cool... if you come up with something let me know offlist...

Thanks,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From henk at iglow-media.nl  Wed Mar 22 15:00:56 2006
From: henk at iglow-media.nl (Henk van der Velden)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 21:00:56 +0100
Subject: imagedata in Word XML
In-Reply-To: <20060322180009.7D81C825C85@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060322180009.7D81C825C85@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <561A47E0-3BFC-4E73-AACF-B6CBF41E7418@iglow-media.nl>

Ken,

putting binary data from a Word XML file into an image on a Rev card  
is quite straightforward.
There is a node <w:binData> containing the image data.

     put revXMLNodeContents(treeID, node) into theData
     create img
     put it into theImg
     set the text of image theImg to base64Decode(theData)


The hard part of course is to parse Word XML in a proper manner. I'm  
working on that right now. I'll see where I get. If it works OK, I'm  
willing to share my code, of course.

Henk


On 22-mrt-2006, at 19:00, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

>> I've done some testing, here are my results:
>> - when an image is loaded, it's text property is not set; when it is
>> imported, it is.
>> - when the text property of an image is changed, the imageData,
>> width, height etc also change.
>>
>> So now I can use the binary data from the Word XML file,  decode
>> them, create a new, empty image on the card and set the text of that
>> image to the decoded binary data.
>
> Henk, is this code that can be shared with the Rev community? If  
> so, that
> would be great...



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Mar 22 15:36:42 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 12:36:42 -0800
Subject: MVC in Rev?
Message-ID: <4421B55A.7000801@fourthworld.com>


I've been reworking my framework and its data management engine to 
explore ways it can shorten my development time even more.  Since MVC is 
the buzzword du jour, I've been looking into ways of implementing MVC in 
Rev.

Factoring code, data, and presentation is generally easy in Rev, and 
with getProp and setProp it's not hard to establish triggers for 
updating UI elements.  But as for MVC per se, I'm not yet certain that 
particular OOP pattern is a good fit for Transcript.

With Cocoa it makes a lot of sense, mostly because Cocoa is inherently 
OOP and the MVC classes are built in from the ground up.  There it fits 
like a glove; in fact, it *is* the glove.

But if we step back from the specifics of MVC implementations in other 
languages and look instead to the goals it serves and the benefits it 
provides, I'm left wondering:

Are there simpler ways to get the same productivity benefits in Rev 
without adhering to formal definitions of MVC for other languages?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From katir at hindu.org  Wed Mar 22 15:54:13 2006
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:54:13 -1000
Subject: ANN: Hinduism Today Digital Edition Credits
Message-ID: <BB50069D-2F0A-4938-BDE8-4B7433A473C0@hindu.org>

The Hinduism Today Digital Edition remote client PDF downloader and  
back issues manager will be released on April 1st.  Code name  
"Brazil" (smile). More later... Bottom line for today's announcement:

Your Name May Be In the Credits!

more below:

---------

While I have not offered much to others on this list through the  
years, we have received a lot.. Our small attempt to "give back" is  
in the About field where we have major credits for Rev.

250,000 unique IP's hit our web sites every month, factor out  
multiple rotated IP's on  single proxy session we may have "real"  
visitor count of about 220,000 a month. It's not Newsweek, but is  
also not peanuts.

Of course just because people bums into your site doesn't mean  
anything... but, suffice it to say, our Revolutiobn application will  
be getting a some exposure and much of this is from within the India,  
Indian-American, Southeast Asian, Hindu software developer world,  
which is huge.

If you DO NOT want to be on this list please email me right away... 
(off list of course) If you DO want to be on this list, email me the  
web site URL that we should use to link your name... We have set up a  
referrals CGI, people clicking on the links in the "about" field will  
be logged on our server (transparently) and then redirected to your  
site. I will be able to get stats on click thrus...

This whole thing, top to bottom is Rev driven including all the CGIs,  
with a PostGRESQL back end on the web server.

Please email me off list with your proper name and web site you want  
your link to go to. I've tried to include all the "great ones" who  
have been helping all of us for over 5 years. If you see some name  
missing of someone who has done yoeman service to ll of us.. please  
send that.

If you prefer only your company name that's also fine... let me know.  
Of course, if you don't want to be on the list we can remove your name.

===============================
Hinduism Today Digital Edition
Application and Web Services

Developed by Andre Alves Garzia, Niteroi, Brazil

With code library contributions from:
Ken Ray, Sons of Thunder (libXML); AltuitInc (altSplash.rev);
Dan Shafer SmartEbooks; Shao Sean (getMXRecords)


Created in and driven by Runtime Revolution.

  REV LOGO HERE:

Appreciation

Thanks to the members of the Revolution users community for their  
generous technical support:

Richard Gaskin, Fourth World (for Leading the Way); Pierre Sahores,  
France; Frederic Rinaldi, Many Bases, France; Ro Nagey, Royal  
Software Inc.;  Ken Ray, Sons of Thunder; Scott Rossi, Tactile Media;  
Jan Schenkel, Professional Software; Sarah Reichelt, educator; Klaus  
Major, Germany; Rob Cozens, Serendipity Software; Jacqueline Landman  
Gay, HyperActive Software; Troy Rollins, RPSystems, Ltd. Chipp  
Walters, Altuit; Hugh Senior, The Flexible Learning Company, UK;  
Jerry Daniels, Daniels and Mara; Geoff Canyon, Inspired Logic; Shao  
Sean, Canada; Andu Novac, Archeopterix Engineering; Eric Chatonet, So  
Smart Software, France; Monte Goulding, Sweat Technologies and many  
others.
==============================

[Who did I miss?]

Best Wishes from Hawaii

Sivakatirswami






From rcozens at pon.net  Wed Mar 22 16:48:42 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 13:48:42 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860603211913g4536353buf4bfe7340a2c917b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>
	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>
	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<f99b52860603200429u51ddbf5bmf6f9d852bcd0e14@mail.gmail.com>
	<F166CD1C-6FA5-4570-A8F4-01605044FE4F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<f99b52860603211655re642afcn58fad4d4419d4232@mail.gmail.com>
	<5BBCAB2B-2190-4B8B-8EF0-11F9CD8244C8@maseurope.net>
	<f99b52860603211913g4536353buf4bfe7340a2c917b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A1657B34-B9ED-11DA-8AE9-0030657E1638@pon.net>


Sarah, Mark, et al:

> arrays are things that don't come
> naturally to me, so I probably ignore them when they would be useful.
>

Arrays, in the traditional sense (ie: element(1)...element(n)), were 
part and parcel of my programming instruction in BASIC and my first 
professional programming in FORTRAN; but I rarely use them today.

But Transcript keyed arrays make wonderful run-time tables.

SDB Client/Server uses:

local clientDbList -- array by clientId:dbId1, dbId2, etc
local dbClientList -- array by dbId:client id,writeAccessType,current 
position
local indexList -- array by dbId:cardIndex
local lockedRecordList -- array by dbId: record id, client id
local sdbDbPathList -- array by dbId: db stack path, autoLockOn, 
readLocksEnforced
local sdbFieldDelimiter -- array by record type
local sdbFieldEdits -- array by record type
local sdbFieldList -- array by recordType: field name list
local sdbTranslationList -- array by clientId: 1=ASCII>ANSI, 0=None, or 
-1=ANSI>ASCII + tab & ipcProtocol [tp,ae,pc,dc,sf]

so...

clientDbList[sdbClientId] gives me a list of the ids of all dbs the 
client has open
dbClientList[sdbDbId] gives me a list of all clients using the db, 
including access type & current record position
indexList[sdbDbId] gives me the index to the db
lockedRecordList[sdbDbId] gives me a list of the ids of all locked 
records along with the id of the user with the lock

etc.

I find this very powerful and easier to implement than alternative 
syntax.

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From livfoss at mac.com  Wed Mar 22 17:16:58 2006
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 23:16:58 +0100
Subject: How can I pass a handler a long ID as a string?
Message-ID: <82F86D27-4743-4F18-8ECE-D2221797A5FE@mac.com>

Yes, Dave's suggestion works in context - but my problem that the  
context of the handler is different from that of the field whose id I  
want to pass as a parameter: this has to be true if the handler is to  
be at all worthwhile, as it does its work on ids of objects from  
various stacks etc. That's where the difficulty lies. Geoff Canyon's  
idea of making sure the RR engine can't parse the id reference seems  
to be the way to go:

> I've hit this before. I generally postfix a cr like so:
>
>    put (the long id of fld "myField" of cd "myCard" of stack
> "myStack") & cr into tParam
>    myHandler tParam
>
> Then in myHandler:
>
> on myHandler pID
>    delete char -1 of pID -- ready to go now
>
> or if it could be a list:
>
> on myHandler pIDList
>    repeat for each line tID in pIDList

Although somehow I would expect there to be a way of passing a 'parse- 
able' string **as** a string, but apparently not.

Thanks to both of you.

Graham

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:09:33 +0000, David Burgun  
<dburgun at dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> Instead of doing:
>
> myHandler (the long id of fld "myField" of cd "myCard" of stack
> "myStack")
>
> do
>
> myHandler (the long id of me)
>
>
> That should fix it!
>
> All the Best
> Dave
>
> On 22 Mar 2006, at 14:47, Graham Samuel wrote:
>
>
>> I've never come across this before, and it's got me confused. I
>> have a handler, say "myHandler" that has a couple of parameters
>> which are intended to be the long ids of objects (actually fields).
>> The handler manipulates the fields, something like
>>
>>   on myHandler para1
>>
>>     do "put empty into"&&para1
>>
>>     ...
>>
>>   end myHandler
>>
>> I find that this works if the parameters are set in the same
>> context as the handler itself - for example in a 'mouseUp' handler
>> on the card where I've put the code of myHandler, but if I call it
>> from elsewhere with a call like
>>
>>    myHandler (the long id of fld "myField" of cd "myCard" of stack
>> "myStack")
>>
>> I find that during the call the engine evaluates the parameter and
>> passes me the contents of the field, and not the reference to the
>> field. What I want is to pass the long id to my handler as a
>> **string**. I can't see why this doesn't work, and more importantly
>> so far I'm stuck for a way round it. I've tried
>>
>>   put the long id of fld "myField" of cd "myCard" of stack
>> "myStack" into temp
>>   myHandler temp
>>
>> but it has exactly the same effect.
>>
>> What am I doing wrong?


----------------------------------------
Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France



From livfoss at mac.com  Wed Mar 22 17:33:17 2006
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 23:33:17 +0100
Subject: Keeping windows together on Windows XP
Message-ID: <1C1D6C1C-BC32-4D6B-9C10-8E93B2D8D90F@mac.com>

Is it just me, or is it rather difficult to keep a number of  
different windows (stacks) together on Windows XP without the  
possibility of a window from another application getting in between  
them? For example, I have a mainstack, a couple of palettes, and a  
kind of homegrown backdrop. I can force the palettes to the front,  
the mainstack to the middle and the backdrop to the back, but I can't  
stop for example a Windows Explorer window from getting in between  
the two non-palette stacks. What I would like is to take charge of  
the whole front of the screen while my app is active - is this  
possible? Haven't found anything about it in the RR docs. I know  
about the resumeStack message but I'm not sure if I could use it to  
accomplish what I want.

TIA

Graham


----------------------------------------
Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Mar 22 17:42:43 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:42:43 -0600
Subject: When closed, does a substack whose destroyStack is true
 remains in memory ?
In-Reply-To: <F45406D2-B99F-11DA-A4BC-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <C0472F03.382FC%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/22/06 6:32 AM, "Andr?.Bisseret" <Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr> wrote:

> Hi !
> 
> As far as a substack is concerned,
> from the Doc (on save, close, destroyStack?)
> I understand that :
> even if its destroyStack property is set to true,
> If I save and close this substack while the main stack remains opened,
> then this substack remains in memory.

Yes, this is true - actually when you loaded the mainstack, all of its
substacks get loaded into memory automatically and can't be purged until the
mainstack itself is closed.

> P.S. : by the way, is it a means to check if a closed stack (or
> substack) is still in memory ?

Well, as I mentioned above, closed substacks are still in memory if the
mainstack is, so you could check for the mainstack in "the windows" or in
"the stacks" to see if it is in memory.

You can also use "the mainstacks" to get a list of stacks that are in
memory.


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Mar 22 17:49:30 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:49:30 -0600
Subject: Keeping windows together on Windows XP
In-Reply-To: <1C1D6C1C-BC32-4D6B-9C10-8E93B2D8D90F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C047309A.38300%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/22/06 4:33 PM, "Graham Samuel" <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:

> Is it just me, or is it rather difficult to keep a number of
> different windows (stacks) together on Windows XP without the
> possibility of a window from another application getting in between
> them? For example, I have a mainstack, a couple of palettes, and a
> kind of homegrown backdrop. I can force the palettes to the front,
> the mainstack to the middle and the backdrop to the back, but I can't
> stop for example a Windows Explorer window from getting in between
> the two non-palette stacks. What I would like is to take charge of
> the whole front of the screen while my app is active - is this
> possible? Haven't found anything about it in the RR docs. I know
> about the resumeStack message but I'm not sure if I could use it to
> accomplish what I want.

This is a problem on OS X too, Graham. Unfortunately there isn't a way to do
this without reopening all of your stacks as soon as one gets a resumeStack
message (and that has other unwanted effects - both visual and not).

However you're not alone - this happens with Word, Excel, and a whole host
of other applications that have multiple windows up.


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From thhulme at mac.com  Wed Mar 22 17:40:50 2006
From: thhulme at mac.com (thulme)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 14:40:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Message Box ?
Message-ID: <3542723.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi All,

I'm a newbie reading through Dan Shafer's ebook. My question has to do with
page 273  of the book which states that typing (open file "MyToDo.txt") into
the message box will create a file if none exisits. Nothing gets created
when I do this. All that happens is the line I entered gets highlighted. No
file created and no error message is displayed in the result frame. I have
entered other commands and they work ok. Can anyone (Dan) explain what I'm
doing wrong?

Regards,
Tim
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed Mar 22 18:10:52 2006
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:10:52 -0700
Subject: Message Box ?
In-Reply-To: <3542723.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <3542723.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <C7C8D182-4900-465E-A505-1DCE64895FB7@byu.edu>

On Mar 22, 2006, at 3:40 PM, thulme wrote:

>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm a newbie reading through Dan Shafer's ebook. My question has to  
> do with
> page 273  of the book which states that typing (open file  
> "MyToDo.txt") into
> the message box will create a file if none exisits. Nothing gets  
> created
> when I do this. All that happens is the line I entered gets  
> highlighted. No
> file created and no error message is displayed in the result frame.  
> I have
> entered other commands and they work ok. Can anyone (Dan) explain  
> what I'm
> doing wrong?

One common reason for this to happen is that you do not have write  
permission for the defaultFolder. (It's more of a problem on Unix and  
Mac OS X systems.) On startup, the defaultFolder property is always  
set to the folder that contains the Revolution application. Not all  
users on a system will have write access to that folder. Try changing  
the defaultFolder to a folder that you do have write permission for  
(I'm assuming OSX here):

set the defaultFolder to /Users/myusername/Desktop/

Then try it again. Chances are it will work this time. If this  
doesn't fix it, try switching to the multi-line message box and enter:

openFile "myfile.txt"
put the result

Then hit the enter key. If there is an error 'the result' should  
contain information about the error.

HTH

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From thhulme at mac.com  Wed Mar 22 18:25:26 2006
From: thhulme at mac.com (thulme)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:25:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Message Box ?
In-Reply-To: <C7C8D182-4900-465E-A505-1DCE64895FB7@byu.edu>
References: <3542723.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<C7C8D182-4900-465E-A505-1DCE64895FB7@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <3543393.post@talk.nabble.com>


>set the defaultFolder to /Users/myusername/Desktop/

>Then try it again. Chances are it will work this time. If this  
>doesn't fix it, try switching to the multi-line message box and enter:

>openFile "myfile.txt"
>put the result

>Then hit the enter key. If there is an error 'the result' should  
>contain information about the error.

Verified I have permissions (Win XP) and entered the two line above in
multiline.

I get:  Message execution error:
         Error description: Handler: can't find handler

If I enter closeFile command i get result of : "file not open"

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From thhulme at mac.com  Wed Mar 22 18:48:08 2006
From: thhulme at mac.com (thulme)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:48:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Message Box ?
In-Reply-To: <3542723.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <3542723.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <3543696.post@talk.nabble.com>


Figured it out - have to hit enter key twice - then file shows up in my
defalut folder.
Go figure!

Thanks Devin
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From liamlambert at mac.com  Wed Mar 22 19:12:08 2006
From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 00:12:08 +0000
Subject: numberFormat
Message-ID: <05BB911B-FBB1-4810-8FB9-ED613E6B6F5A@mac.com>

I have this bit of code the numberFormat
is not giving me two zeros after the decimal point
Why ???
thanks in advance

global gConID
  get fld "showid"
   put it into tshowid
   set the numberFormat to "#0.00"
   put "SELECT sum (child) FROM Booking where showid = '"& tshowid &  
"'" into tChild
   put revdb_querylist(,,gConID,tChild) into tcSeats
   put tCseats into fld "child"
   put "SELECT sum (adult) FROM Booking where showid = '"& tshowid &  
"'" into tAdult
   put revdb_querylist(,,gConID,tAdult) into tAseats
   put tAseats into fld "Adult"
   put "SELECT sum (cashDb) FROM Booking where showid = '"& tshowid &  
"'" into tCash
   put revdb_querylist(,,gConID,tCash) into tCashFld
   put tCashFld into fld "cash"

Liam Lambert
liamlambert at mac.com
IRELAND




From wouter.abraham at scarlet.be  Wed Mar 22 19:22:39 2006
From: wouter.abraham at scarlet.be (wouter)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 01:22:39 +0100
Subject: Message Box ?
In-Reply-To: <3543393.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <3542723.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<C7C8D182-4900-465E-A505-1DCE64895FB7@byu.edu>
	<3543393.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <B69ACD1B-5E06-458D-A144-8551362F0A39@scarlet.be>

On 23 Mar 2006, at 00:25, thulme wrote:

>> openFile "myfile.txt"
>> put the result

>
> I get:  Message execution error:
>          Error description: Handler: can't find handler

Hi Thulme,

This means you should have a handler < on openFile >
or you can enter in the msg box:

open file "myfile.txt"

Greetings,
Wouter


From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Mar 22 19:22:35 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:22:35 -0600
Subject: numberFormat
In-Reply-To: <05BB911B-FBB1-4810-8FB9-ED613E6B6F5A@mac.com>
References: <05BB911B-FBB1-4810-8FB9-ED613E6B6F5A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4421EA4B.5050208@chipp.com>

Hi Liam,

You need to perform a math action on it first.

So, do:

put it into tShowid
add 0 to tShowID

should do it.

liamlambert wrote:
> I have this bit of code the numberFormat
> is not giving me two zeros after the decimal point
> Why ???
> thanks in advance
> 
> global gConID
>  get fld "showid"
>   put it into tshowid
>   set the numberFormat to "#0.00"
>   put "SELECT sum (child) FROM Booking where showid = '"& tshowid &  "'" 
> into tChild
>   put revdb_querylist(,,gConID,tChild) into tcSeats
>   put tCseats into fld "child"
>   put "SELECT sum (adult) FROM Booking where showid = '"& tshowid &  "'" 
> into tAdult
>   put revdb_querylist(,,gConID,tAdult) into tAseats
>   put tAseats into fld "Adult"
>   put "SELECT sum (cashDb) FROM Booking where showid = '"& tshowid &  
> "'" into tCash
>   put revdb_querylist(,,gConID,tCash) into tCashFld
>   put tCashFld into fld "cash"
> 
> Liam Lambert
> liamlambert at mac.com
> IRELAND
> 
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From johnpatten at mac.com  Wed Mar 22 19:31:11 2006
From: johnpatten at mac.com (John Patten)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:31:11 -0800
Subject: FTP and cross platform issues...
Message-ID: <10558498.1143073871474.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>

Hello All...

I searched the archives and could not come up with a solution to an FTP problem I'm having.

I have an OSX Tiger Server configured for FTP. Everything works like it supposed to with both Fetch (Mac side) and FTP Commander on the WinXP side. No problem.

However, I've been trying to get the WindowsXP box and Rev to upload a simple text file to the server. No success. I have tried Andre FTP utility, a couple others from the member area, my own hacks using the examples in the rev docs, and finally Chip's FTPer utility. None of them would work. The best I could see was that I was getting a time out error.

Then I fired up an OSX Tiger Powerbook. I tried Chip's FTPer utility again, same info as on the WindowsXP machine, and it worked without any problem.

Anybody have an idea why it would work on a MAc and not work on the WindowsXP box?

Thanks in advance!!

John Patten
SUSD


From liamlambert at mac.com  Wed Mar 22 19:44:25 2006
From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 00:44:25 +0000
Subject: numberFormat
Message-ID: <8C398337-A91E-4B53-BC57-6D00812C8C36@mac.com>

Thanks Chipp
Liam Lambert
liamlambert at mac.com
IRELAND




From europe at ehug.info  Wed Mar 22 19:56:10 2006
From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 01:56:10 +0100
Subject: FTP and cross platform issues...
In-Reply-To: <10558498.1143073871474.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>
References: <10558498.1143073871474.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4421F22A.2040303@ehug.info>

Hi John,

Make sure that both the server and the client (Rev) are set to 
use either passive or active FTP. If you enable passive FTP, you 
have to set Rev's ftp mode to passive as well:

libURLSetFTPMode "passive"

You may have to set the socketTimeoutInterval to a really big 
number.

If you'd like to do a test, I'm working on an FTP client. 
Contact me off-list if you would like to give it a try.

Best,

Mark



John Patten wrote:
> Hello All...
> 
> I searched the archives and could not come up with a solution to an FTP problem I'm having.
> 
> I have an OSX Tiger Server configured for FTP. Everything works like it supposed to with both Fetch (Mac side) and FTP Commander on the WinXP side. No problem.
> 
> However, I've been trying to get the WindowsXP box and Rev to upload a simple text file to the server. No success. I have tried Andre FTP utility, a couple others from the member area, my own hacks using the examples in the rev docs, and finally Chip's FTPer utility. None of them would work. The best I could see was that I was getting a time out error.
> 
> Then I fired up an OSX Tiger Powerbook. I tried Chip's FTPer utility again, same info as on the WindowsXP machine, and it worked without any problem.
> 
> Anybody have an idea why it would work on a MAc and not work on the WindowsXP box?
> 
> Thanks in advance!!
> 
> John Patten
> SUSD

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From sl at trackandfieldnews.com  Wed Mar 22 20:05:48 2006
From: sl at trackandfieldnews.com (Sieg Lindstrom)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:05:48 -0800
Subject: the shiftkey suddenly doesn't work
Message-ID: <C047346C.B055%sl@trackandfieldnews.com>

I just replaced a crashed hard drive and after reinstalling Revolution,  the
shiftKey and the optionKey return "up" even if my shift or option key is
down. The shift and option keys work fine, but Revolution doesn't seem to
know what the state of the keys is. Thanks in advance for any suggestions!

Sieg Lindstrom




From HyperChris at aol.com  Wed Mar 22 20:17:20 2006
From: HyperChris at aol.com (HyperChris at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 20:17:20 EST
Subject: MVC in Rev?
Message-ID: <2f7.1283af7.31535120@aol.com>

to my fellow ludites also not familiar with that particular acronym ...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model-view-controller

Looks like great fun! I can't wait to buy one.


From katir at hindu.org  Wed Mar 22 19:29:31 2006
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 14:29:31 -1000
Subject: "Arming" a pulldown menu button -- a hack
Message-ID: <0E372B6B-85F9-40C8-8F3E-951E56445A6B@hindu.org>

As we know, at least on Mac OSX, for a pulldown menu button, setting  
the autoArm, autohilite and Armed to true and applying a different  
icon to those states does not take effect. Nothing happens.. Worse:  
In fact one of those properties, if set to true, interferes with the  
proper action (menu does not open) So, we see now why those  
properties are not offered in the inspector for such menu buttons.

So, I tried this work around... and it seems to work just  fine...

on mousewithin
   set the icon of me to 1115
end mousewithin
on mouseleave
    set the icon of me to 1114
end mouseleave

on menuPick pItemChosen

switch pItemChosen
## do stuff here

end switch
end menupick

Does anyone know if there are any caveats to this? the two mouse  
activity handlers to not see to interfere at all with functionality.

Sivakatirswami







From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Wed Mar 22 20:33:05 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:33:05 +1000
Subject: Getting started with libraries
In-Reply-To: <EA49FA89-5E7E-4C27-B4EF-114DA84A36EB@mac.com>
References: <EA49FA89-5E7E-4C27-B4EF-114DA84A36EB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603221733s54cc820ducc74d35a544fac48@mail.gmail.com>

> Recent defences on the list of RunRev's capability with libraries has
> made me realise how much I've missed out by not organising my own
> work with libraries in mind. I would now like to make the move. but
> I'm finding it quite hard to decide how to get started. As in the old
> joke, to get there I shouldn't really have started from here... but
> there it is.
>
> What I have is a few apps which work and have users etc, and which
> contain common elements. Up to now these common sections were created
> by wholesale copying of stacks and bits of code from a finished app
> to the next one to be developed. I find this is such an awkward
> process that I don't keep all the apps up to date in parallel. For
> example in App 1, I have devised a way for the user to register and
> enter a serial number to get a fully functional version of the
> program;  I copied this code into App 2, a process which was pretty
> clumsy in the first place because App 1 and App 2 can't have ANY
> stacks with the same name (unless I open two copies of RunRev, but
> for some reason I'm nervous of this idea). Then as I developed App 2,
> I improved on the stuff I got from App 1. But generally App 1 doesn't
> benefit because it's too much of a hassle to retrofit the improved
> code. Now if I did all this with libraries, I would be much better
> off, since the most up to date version of any library could be
> retrofitted without problems.


Hi Graham,

While not addressing the libraries issue, I do have a habit for naming
stacks that I find very useful. Each project gets a prefix and all the
stacks in that project have stacksNames starting with that prefix e.g.
a current project is called "Temperature Monitor" so the stacks are
all called "tm..." - tmPrefs, tmAbout, tmHelp etc.

This is really useful when you want more than one project open as
nearly all my projects have a Help stacks, a Prefs stacks and an About
stack among the list.

For your library stacks, again you want to make sure you will have mo
confilcts when loading them in to any of your projects, so I suggest
something similar e.g. gsLibFiles, gsLibGraphics etc. Remember that
you may want to use other peoples' libraries at some stage, so adding
an identifier unique to you is a good idea.

Have a look at the Rev Interoperability Project guidelines
<http://www.revjournal.com/features/rip/index.html> for some more
ideas along these lines.

Cheers,
Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Wed Mar 22 20:34:52 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:34:52 +1000
Subject: "Arming" a pulldown menu button -- a hack
In-Reply-To: <0E372B6B-85F9-40C8-8F3E-951E56445A6B@hindu.org>
References: <0E372B6B-85F9-40C8-8F3E-951E56445A6B@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603221734v12aa9d15sa1cf24eb1789c947@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/23/06, Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org> wrote:
> As we know, at least on Mac OSX, for a pulldown menu button, setting
> the autoArm, autohilite and Armed to true and applying a different
> icon to those states does not take effect. Nothing happens.. Worse:
> In fact one of those properties, if set to true, interferes with the
> proper action (menu does not open) So, we see now why those
> properties are not offered in the inspector for such menu buttons.
>
> So, I tried this work around... and it seems to work just  fine...
>
> on mousewithin
>    set the icon of me to 1115
> end mousewithin
> on mouseleave
>     set the icon of me to 1114
> end mouseleave
>
> on menuPick pItemChosen
>
> switch pItemChosen
> ## do stuff here
>
> end switch
> end menupick
>
> Does anyone know if there are any caveats to this? the two mouse
> activity handlers to not see to interfere at all with functionality.
>

You may want to add a mouseRelease handler as well. This allows for
the user mousing down on the control, moving off it and mousing up.
I'm not sure that mouseLeave would get sent in those circumstances.

Sarah


From mark at maseurope.net  Wed Mar 22 21:22:41 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 02:22:41 +0000
Subject: Weirdness Passing Messages
In-Reply-To: <30723811-F057-429A-8398-3725651B8159@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<02117863-B837-11DA-BF46-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<97F32A0F-F818-4A02-A0D6-39F8E8E9329F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<3362660E-B915-11DA-B8F4-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<A35AD941-61E2-4D29-994A-06F2BBE38D55@inspiredlogic.com>
	<4CAD5779-B9B9-11DA-8FFE-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<6A75A57F-22E3-4039-A009-50B5093C2980@inspiredlogic.com>
	<EFA7F9AA-B9C6-11DA-8753-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<68403533-585E-4836-A0FF-AD091C027707@dsl.pipex.com>
	<79D9D0FA-2E5A-48CD-B0C9-E8D8F7AA97B5@maseurope.net>
	<30723811-F057-429A-8398-3725651B8159@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <6415C794-548A-4070-BF06-08F7C580BA93@maseurope.net>

Is it a context problem?

It might be worth trying to replace
put "MessageY" into me
with
put "MessageY" into <long name of control>

I've always thought that 'me' always referred to the control whose  
script it appears in, but that's an assumption, not  necessarily a  
fact...

Mark

On 22 Mar 2006, at 19:14, David Burgun wrote:

> Hi,
>
> function ListenForMessages theMessageID,theHanlderLocation
>
> Adds to an Array (stored in a GlobalProperty of StackUtil) as so:
>
> MessageArray[theMessageID] =  theHanlderLocation
>
> If theMessageID is already in the Array and the Location is not  
> already in the data part of the array, then it is appended, so the  
> array looks like this:
>
>    Key                      Data
> "MessageX"          ObjectX of Card 2 of Stack "StackMain",ObjectY  
> of Card 2 of Stack ""StackMain"
>
> and is called like so:
>
> ListenForMessages("MessageX",the long name of me)
>
>
> function PutMessage theMessageID
>
> Looks up theMessageID in the Array built in ListenForMessages and  
> calls (via a "send" statement) the handler with the name  
> theMessageID at the location(s) specified in the data part of the  
> array.
>
> As I said the Message handling functions seem to work fine in  
> general, but not when PutMessage() is called from within a message  
> handler OR when called from a different card that the one that  
> called the initial message. Not sure which!
>
> Thanks a lot
> All the Best
> Dave
>
> On 22 Mar 2006, at 19:02, Mark Smith wrote:
>
>> What do these functions do?
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On 22 Mar 2006, at 18:51, David Burgun wrote:
>>
>>> PutMessage()
>>> ListenForMessages()
>>
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 22 21:40:06 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:40:06 -0800
Subject: Keeping windows together on Windows XP
In-Reply-To: <C047309A.38300%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <C0474A86.3683C%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Actually, I use the F10 key... tap it twice and Expose will show/bring to
the front all the windows in the frontmost app.

Also, tab-switching by ( cmd-tab, cmd-shift-tab ) which will show the tab
display, then bring you back the the left-most app.


Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 3/22/06 2:49 PM, "Ken Ray" <kray at sonsothunder.com> wrote:

> On 3/22/06 4:33 PM, "Graham Samuel" <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:
> 
>> Is it just me, or is it rather difficult to keep a number of
>> different windows (stacks) together on Windows XP without the
>> possibility of a window from another application getting in between
>> them? For example, I have a mainstack, a couple of palettes, and a
>> kind of homegrown backdrop. I can force the palettes to the front,
>> the mainstack to the middle and the backdrop to the back, but I can't
>> stop for example a Windows Explorer window from getting in between
>> the two non-palette stacks. What I would like is to take charge of
>> the whole front of the screen while my app is active - is this
>> possible? Haven't found anything about it in the RR docs. I know
>> about the resumeStack message but I'm not sure if I could use it to
>> accomplish what I want.
> 
> This is a problem on OS X too, Graham. Unfortunately there isn't a way to do
> this without reopening all of your stacks as soon as one gets a resumeStack
> message (and that has other unwanted effects - both visual and not).
> 
> However you're not alone - this happens with Word, Excel, and a whole host
> of other applications that have multiple windows up.
> 
> 
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> 
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From pmbrig at comcast.net  Wed Mar 22 21:56:45 2006
From: pmbrig at comcast.net (pmbrig at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 02:56:45 +0000
Subject: (no subject)
Message-ID: <032320060256.21223.44220E6C000B8545000052E7220642461309079D0D039F@comcast.net>

OK I did what you suggest, but it's not working:

put theHdr into fld "formatPrintText"
set the textFont of char 1 to -1 of fld "formatPrintText" to "Bookman Old Style"
set the textSize of char 1 to -1 of fld "formatPrintText" to "10"
set the clipboarddata["html"] to the htmltext of fld "formatPrintText"
-- set the clipboarddata["text"] to theHdr
launch letterPath with wordpath

This still gives a paste (into Word for OSX, or into a hypercard stack, or into Word 4 for OS9) in the textFont and textSize of the default stack properties, not what I set the properties of the field text to. I even tried using

set the clipboarddata["html"] to the htmltext of char 1 to -1 of fld "formatPrintText"

and that doesn't do it either.

(Just for fun, I tried setting the stack textFont/textSize properties to empty, and my paste then was in Lucia Grande size 11 -- hunh?)

Next experiment:

put theHdr into fld "formatPrintText"
set the textFont of char 1 to -1 of fld "formatPrintText" to "Bookman Old Style"
set the textSize of char 1 to -1 of fld "formatPrintText" to "10"
put the htmlText of char 1 to -1 of fld "formatPrintText" into fld "testFld"
exit to top

This shows the htmltext of the chunk in the test field, namely:

<p>Iphegenia Aardvaark</p>
<p>123 So. Huntington Ave,</p>
<p>Boston, MA  02114</p>

So apparently the htmlText property isn't giving font or size info...

I tried the rtfText of the field and of char 1 to -1 of the field and I get

{\rtf\mac 
Iphegenia Aardvaark
\par 123 So. Huntington Ave,
\par Boston, MA  02114}

So the rtfText property doesn't give font or size info either.

The rev documentation says (under HTMLtext):
Revolution uses a subset of HTML tags that includes font, size, style, and text color information.

So is this a bug? Is it something about my version of Dreamcard?

-- Peter M. Brigham

______________

Original message:

pmbrig at comcast.net wrote:
> I am using a button to put a text field on the clipboard. I set the
> clipboarddata["html"] to the htmltext of the field, then when I try
> to paste into MS Word, my field formatting does not come through.
> Instead, the default textFont and textSize for the stack is what
> determines the format of the pasted text -- I have experimented with
> this, and changing the field properties has zero effect on the paste,
> whereas changing the stack properties changes the paste. As an added
> complication, though, setting the textFont of the stack works
> perfectly, but when I set the textSize of the stack to 10, it comes
> through as 12. All other sizes work the way they are supposed to:
> stack textSize of 9 results in size 9 text in the paste, stack
> textSize of 14 comes through as 14, etc. Only stack textSize of 10
> comes through as 12.
> 
> here's the relevant portion of the script:
> 
> put fld "wordPath" into wordpath
> put fld "letterPath" into letterPath
> put theHdr into fld "formatPrintText"
> set the textFont of fld "formatPrintText" to "Bookman Old Style"
> set the textSize of fld "formatPrintText" to "10"
> set the clipboarddata["html"] to the htmltext of fld "formatPrintText"
> set the clipboarddata["text"] to theHdr -- * see below
> launch letterPath with wordpath
> 
> * (I've tried not setting the clipboarddata["text"] and it makes no
> difference.)
> 
> I'm puzzled. The clipboarddata["html"] clearly is not getting set
> properly. I am using Dreamcard v2.6.1 build 152 on a Mac iBook
> running OSX v10.4.5, and Word for Mac v11.2.3. The problem with the
> size 10 getting seen as size 12 appears to be a Word problem, since
> the paste into another text app comes through as expected.
> 
> Why doesn't the htmlText of the field get onto the clipboard? Why in
> the world should the default text properties of the stack have any
> effect here?

When you set the text properties of a field, the text it contains has no 
styling of its own, it uses inheritance of the field's properties to 
give an appearance of styling. Therefore, when you copy that text, there 
is no particular htmltext assigned to it.

To fix that, set the styling of the actual characters in the text 
itself, which does assign html properties to the text:

set the textfont of char 1 to -1 of fld "formatPrintText" \
      to "Bookman Old Style"
set the textsize of char 1 to -1 of fld "formatPrintText" to 10

This should give the results you are looking for.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From pmbrig at comcast.net  Wed Mar 22 22:05:17 2006
From: pmbrig at comcast.net (pmbrig at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 03:05:17 +0000
Subject: (no subject)
Message-ID: <032320060305.7496.4422106D000852B300001D48220642461309079D0D039F@comcast.net>

Thanks Andre -- this solves the practical problem (except for Word's inability to actually paste size 10 text in any font -- ah, Microsoft!) -- it gives the proper formatting as specified in the formatting field.

I'm still curious about the failure of the htmltext function to include font & size info. Is the documentation just plain wrong?

-- Peter M. Brigham

_____________

Original message:

Hi Peter,

> Why doesn't the htmlText of the field get onto the clipboard?
I recently discovered that, after "select text of fld "suchField" :

1 - put the selectedText into fld "essai"  -->> doesn't keep format 
when paste
2 - put the selection into fld "essai" -- >> idem
3 - set the clipboardData["text"] to the selectedText -->> idem
4 - set the clipboardData["text"] to the selection -- >> idem
BUT :
5 - copy the selectedText -->> paste in Word remains formatted
6 - copy the selection -- >> remains formatted
(Mac G4 ; 0SX 10.2.8 ; RR ; Word 10.1.0)

Best regards from Grenoble
Andr?


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Mar 22 22:04:56 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 21:04:56 -0600
Subject: Keeping windows together on Windows XP
In-Reply-To: <C0474A86.3683C%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C0476C78.38328%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/22/06 8:40 PM, "Jim Ault" <JimAultWins at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Actually, I use the F10 key... tap it twice and Expose will show/bring to
> the front all the windows in the frontmost app.
> 
> Also, tab-switching by ( cmd-tab, cmd-shift-tab ) which will show the tab
> display, then bring you back the the left-most app.

Didn't know this... good to know, Jim!

What I meant was that I didn't see other apps providing this ability to
bring all of their windows to the front and so Graham shouldn't worry too
much about providing that feature in *his* software.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 22 22:55:54 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 19:55:54 -0800
Subject: Keeping windows together on Windows XP
In-Reply-To: <C0476C78.38328%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <C0475C4A.36846%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

so true.
On OSX I think you can do the system call to System Events via AppleScript,
but this is certainly not a good solution, since users may not be accustomed
to this behavior.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 3/22/06 7:04 PM, "Ken Ray" <kray at sonsothunder.com> wrote:

> On 3/22/06 8:40 PM, "Jim Ault" <JimAultWins at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> Actually, I use the F10 key... tap it twice and Expose will show/bring to
>> the front all the windows in the frontmost app.
>> 
>> Also, tab-switching by ( cmd-tab, cmd-shift-tab ) which will show the tab
>> display, then bring you back the the left-most app.
> 
> Didn't know this... good to know, Jim!
> 
> What I meant was that I didn't see other apps providing this ability to
> bring all of their windows to the front and so Graham shouldn't worry too
> much about providing that feature in *his* software.
> 
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Wed Mar 22 23:48:54 2006
From: bobs at twft.com (Robert Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 20:48:54 -0800
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 30, Issue 60
In-Reply-To: <20060322235402.06F1C8253BC@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060322235402.06F1C8253BC@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <8274345B-4832-484B-BC85-5D74B19F0D2A@twft.com>

Check to see if passive mode is enabled on the client. This is  
typically what goes wrong. Whatever it is set to on the Win client,  
change it.

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM

On Mar 22, 2006, at 3:54 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

> Hello All...
>
> I searched the archives and could not come up with a solution to an  
> FTP problem I'm having.
>
> I have an OSX Tiger Server configured for FTP. Everything works  
> like it supposed to with both Fetch (Mac side) and FTP Commander on  
> the WinXP side. No problem.
>
> However, I've been trying to get the WindowsXP box and Rev to  
> upload a simple text file to the server. No success. I have tried  
> Andre FTP utility, a couple others from the member area, my own  
> hacks using the examples in the rev docs, and finally Chip's FTPer  
> utility. None of them would work. The best I could see was that I  
> was getting a time out error.
>
> Then I fired up an OSX Tiger Powerbook. I tried Chip's FTPer  
> utility again, same info as on the WindowsXP machine, and it worked  
> without any problem.
>
> Anybody have an idea why it would work on a MAc and not work on the  
> WindowsXP box?
>
> Thanks in advance!!
>
> John Patten
> SUSD
>



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Mar 23 00:00:11 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 21:00:11 -0800
Subject: FTP and cross platform issues...
In-Reply-To: <4421F22A.2040303@ehug.info>
References: <10558498.1143073871474.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>
	<4421F22A.2040303@ehug.info>
Message-ID: <12638766172.20060322210011@ahsoftware.net>

John-

> libURLSetFTPMode "passive"

If you're testing things you might want to set both the server and the
client NOT to use passive mode, and make sure there aren't any
firewalls or routers in the way that might block ports 20 and 21.

Also, if you've got the internal firewall running on the XP box (you
shouldn't) then turn it off.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Thu Mar 23 02:08:27 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 23:08:27 -0800
Subject: Syntax Highlighting Routine - Need help
In-Reply-To: <17818680-B82B-11DA-B811-0030657E1638@pon.net>
References: <17B2F545-277B-464C-8D2E-D130687B3DBE@lexicall.org>	<003801c64b65$40ffe4d0$0300000a@makabre>	<F60AC95D-01A7-4091-B7AD-0A244879FCC0@sosmartsoftware.com>	<005401c64b6a$cd78cb20$0300000a@makabre>	<a06110403c04361904c87@[141.89.100.174]>	<014701c64b8f$45d01870$0300000a@makabre>
	<17818680-B82B-11DA-B811-0030657E1638@pon.net>
Message-ID: <4422496B.3040806@paraboliclogic.com>

Rev 2.6.1

Greetings,

I made a routine for checking a FIELD from start to end for html tags, 
then to change their color.  Worked great!  That is with a small html 
file of maybe 4000 characters.  But then I ran a html file that was 
about 28000 characters, and found my routine was not so good after all.

the FIELD handlers;

on rawKeyUp
   SubHighlight
end rawKeyUp

on backspaceKey
   SubHighlight
end backspaceKey

might not be best, but I don't know if there's any other way to keep 
track of the contents of the FIELD, except to check on keyup events.

Here's the sub;

on SubHighlight
   lock screen
   put number of characters of field "fHtmlEditor" into varTotal
   set the textstyle of char 1 to varTotal of field 1 to plain
   put 1 into varCounter
   put 1 into varStartChunk
   put 1 into varEndChunk
   repeat until varStartChunk >= varTotal or varGetOut is 1
     put varCounter into field "fStatusBar"
     put char varEndChunk to varEndChunk of field 1 into varTemp
     put empty into varTagType
     if varTemp is "<" then
       put varEndChunk + 3 into varTemp
       put char varEndChunk to varTemp of field 1 into varTemp
       if varTemp is "<!--" then
         put "comment" into varTagType
       end if
       put varEndChunk + 6 into varTemp
       put char varEndChunk to varTemp of field 1 into varTemp
       if varTemp is "<script" then
         put "script" into varTagType
       end if
       put varEndChunk + 7 into varTemp
       put char varEndChunk to varTemp of field 1 into varTemp
       if varTemp is "</script" then
         put "script" into varTagType
       end if
       put varEndChunk + 1 into varEndChunk
       put char varEndChunk to varEndChunk of field 1 into varTemp
       repeat until varTemp is ">" or varGetOut is 1 or varCounter >= 
varTotal
         put varCounter into field "fStatusBar"
         put char varEndChunk to varEndChunk of field 1 into varTemp
         if varTemp is "<" then
           put 1 into varGetOut
         end if
         if varTemp is ">" then
           if varTagType is "comment" then
             set the textstyle of char varStartChunk to varEndChunk of 
field 1 to Italic
             set the foregroundColor of char varStartChunk to 
varEndChunk of field 1 to "#404040"
           else if varTagType is "script" then
             set the foregroundColor of char varStartChunk to 
varEndChunk of field 1 to "#ff0000"
           else
             --set the textstyle of char varStartChunk to varEndChunk of 
field 1 to Bold
             set the foregroundColor of char varStartChunk to 
varEndChunk of field 1 to "#0000FF"
           end if
         end if
         put varEndChunk + 1 into varEndChunk
         put varCounter + 1 into varCounter
         --put varTotal && "/" && varCounter into field "fStatusBar"
       end repeat
     else
       put varStartChunk + 1 into varStartChunk
       put varEndChunk + 1 into varEndChunk
     end if
     put varCounter + 1 into varCounter
     put varEndChunk into varStartChunk
     --put varTotal && "/" && varCounter into field "fStatusBar"
   end repeat
   unlock screen
end SubHighlight

It's not optimized code and there's some extra stuff in there for 
testing.  And I know it's not pretty code either, it's merely a few 
hours worth of thinking and trying code.

I do not know of any other way to check the contents of the FIELD 
without having to check the entire contents.

Does anyone have any ideas, thoughts, suggestions or have done some code 
like this before, that could help me out with this?

Thanks,
-Garrett


From joel.guillod at net2000.ch  Thu Mar 23 02:29:47 2006
From: joel.guillod at net2000.ch (Joel Guillod)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 08:29:47 +0100
Subject: revXMLfindNodecontent
In-Reply-To: <20060322152030.523D6825C19@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060322152030.523D6825C19@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <60F9A597-E41F-4B9F-A705-78820B6BCFAF@net2000.ch>

> Throw some votes on it if you like :-)

Also do it for features request/bug ID 1893: revInsertXMLNode and  
XSLT routines ID 2809.
Thanks!



From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Thu Mar 23 03:27:25 2006
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 08:27:25 +0000
Subject: FTP and cross platform issues...
In-Reply-To: <4421F22A.2040303@ehug.info>
References: <10558498.1143073871474.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>
	<4421F22A.2040303@ehug.info>
Message-ID: <0FFCD347-EB22-4E3C-A264-59625B82ECA4@lacscentre.co.uk>

Hi Mark

On 23 Mar 2006, at 00:56, Mark Schonewille wrote:
>
> If you'd like to do a test, I'm working on an FTP client. Contact  
> me off-list if you would like to give it a try.

I noticed the above on the list. I wondered if you were planning on  
using the current libUrl routines in your ftp client. The reason I'm  
asking is that I was planning to produce a separate FTP library that  
would duplicate most of  the existing  FTP stuff in libUrl, but also  
add some further features. If this is something that you might be  
interested in, or might help your client app, please let me know,  
especially if you had any requests for additional FTP features not  
currently in libUrl.

Although I've started on the new library (barely), I can't put a  
definite time on its completion right now. But I would like to get  
something completed over the next few weeks.

Cheers
Dave


From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Thu Mar 23 03:31:37 2006
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 08:31:37 +0000
Subject: FTP and cross platform issues...
In-Reply-To: <0FFCD347-EB22-4E3C-A264-59625B82ECA4@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <10558498.1143073871474.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>
	<4421F22A.2040303@ehug.info>
	<0FFCD347-EB22-4E3C-A264-59625B82ECA4@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6FCE3FB7-8B4C-4397-8A71-6D23CD726DCD@lacscentre.co.uk>

Sorry. My previous post was meant to go directly to Mark. Please  
forget you read it. :-) So you won't be disappointed when nothing  
appears.

I should probably  learn how to use e-mail before messing around with  
libraries.

Dave




From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Thu Mar 23 03:47:50 2006
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9.Bisseret?=)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:47:50 +0100
Subject: When closed,
	does a substack whose destroyStack is true remains in memory ?
In-Reply-To: <C0472F03.382FC%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <B5CEC7A7-BA49-11DA-BA47-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>


Thank you very much Ken for your answers ; I am taking them into 
account immediately :-)

Andr?

Le Wednesday, 22 Mar 2006, ? 23:42 Europe/Paris, Ken Ray a ?crit :

> On 3/22/06 6:32 AM, "Andr?.Bisseret" <Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr> wrote:
>
>> Hi !
>>
>> As far as a substack is concerned,
>> from the Doc (on save, close, destroyStack?)
>> I understand that :
>> even if its destroyStack property is set to true,
>> If I save and close this substack while the main stack remains opened,
>> then this substack remains in memory.
>
> Yes, this is true - actually when you loaded the mainstack, all of its
> substacks get loaded into memory automatically and can't be purged 
> until the
> mainstack itself is closed.
>
>> P.S. : by the way, is it a means to check if a closed stack (or
>> substack) is still in memory ?
>
> Well, as I mentioned above, closed substacks are still in memory if the
> mainstack is, so you could check for the mainstack in "the windows" or 
> in
> "the stacks" to see if it is in memory.
>
> You can also use "the mainstacks" to get a list of stacks that are in
> memory.
>
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
>




From europe at ehug.info  Thu Mar 23 03:58:29 2006
From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:58:29 +0100
Subject: FTP and cross platform issues...
In-Reply-To: <12638766172.20060322210011@ahsoftware.net>
References: <10558498.1143073871474.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>	<4421F22A.2040303@ehug.info>
	<12638766172.20060322210011@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <44226335.1020400@ehug.info>

Hi,

Why would you want to use active FTP especially for testing 
purposes? IMHO passive FTP is simpler.

Best,

Mark

> John-
> 
> 
>>libURLSetFTPMode "passive"
> 
> 
> If you're testing things you might want to set both the server and the
> client NOT to use passive mode, and make sure there aren't any
> firewalls or routers in the way that might block ports 20 and 21.
> 
> Also, if you've got the internal firewall running on the XP box (you
> shouldn't) then turn it off.
> 

-- 

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From aturban at qwest.net  Thu Mar 23 05:26:33 2006
From: aturban at qwest.net (Arthur Urban)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 03:26:33 -0700
Subject: Syntax Highlighting Routine - Need help
In-Reply-To: <4422496B.3040806@paraboliclogic.com>
References: <17B2F545-277B-464C-8D2E-D130687B3DBE@lexicall.org>	<003801c64b65$40ffe4d0$0300000a@makabre>	<F60AC95D-01A7-4091-B7AD-0A244879FCC0@sosmartsoftware.com>	<005401c64b6a$cd78cb20$0300000a@makabre>	<a06110403c04361904c87@[141.89.100.174]>	<014701c64b8f$45d01870$0300000a@makabre>	<17818680-B82B-11DA-B811-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<4422496B.3040806@paraboliclogic.com>
Message-ID: <442277D9.4080407@qwest.net>

I'm presuming you have massive speed issues? Well, even if you don't, I 
was thinking that maybe it would be best if you called SubHighlight in 
your rawKeyUp handler only for specific key presses like the spacebar or 
return key. That way you are colorizing only after complete words and 
lines have been entered. Just a thought, I don't know how exhaustive you 
need the user feedback to be. :)

Garrett Hylltun wrote:
> Rev 2.6.1
>
> Greetings,
>
> I made a routine for checking a FIELD from start to end for html tags, 
> then to change their color.  Worked great!  That is with a small html 
> file of maybe 4000 characters.  But then I ran a html file that was 
> about 28000 characters, and found my routine was not so good after all.
>
> the FIELD handlers;
>
> on rawKeyUp
>   SubHighlight
> end rawKeyUp
>
> on backspaceKey
>   SubHighlight
> end backspaceKey
>
> might not be best, but I don't know if there's any other way to keep 
> track of the contents of the FIELD, except to check on keyup events.
>
> Here's the sub;
>
> on SubHighlight
>   lock screen
>   put number of characters of field "fHtmlEditor" into varTotal
>   set the textstyle of char 1 to varTotal of field 1 to plain
>   put 1 into varCounter
>   put 1 into varStartChunk
>   put 1 into varEndChunk
>   repeat until varStartChunk >= varTotal or varGetOut is 1
>     put varCounter into field "fStatusBar"
>     put char varEndChunk to varEndChunk of field 1 into varTemp
>     put empty into varTagType
>     if varTemp is "<" then
>       put varEndChunk + 3 into varTemp
>       put char varEndChunk to varTemp of field 1 into varTemp
>       if varTemp is "<!--" then
>         put "comment" into varTagType
>       end if
>       put varEndChunk + 6 into varTemp
>       put char varEndChunk to varTemp of field 1 into varTemp
>       if varTemp is "<script" then
>         put "script" into varTagType
>       end if
>       put varEndChunk + 7 into varTemp
>       put char varEndChunk to varTemp of field 1 into varTemp
>       if varTemp is "</script" then
>         put "script" into varTagType
>       end if
>       put varEndChunk + 1 into varEndChunk
>       put char varEndChunk to varEndChunk of field 1 into varTemp
>       repeat until varTemp is ">" or varGetOut is 1 or varCounter >= 
> varTotal
>         put varCounter into field "fStatusBar"
>         put char varEndChunk to varEndChunk of field 1 into varTemp
>         if varTemp is "<" then
>           put 1 into varGetOut
>         end if
>         if varTemp is ">" then
>           if varTagType is "comment" then
>             set the textstyle of char varStartChunk to varEndChunk of 
> field 1 to Italic
>             set the foregroundColor of char varStartChunk to 
> varEndChunk of field 1 to "#404040"
>           else if varTagType is "script" then
>             set the foregroundColor of char varStartChunk to 
> varEndChunk of field 1 to "#ff0000"
>           else
>             --set the textstyle of char varStartChunk to varEndChunk 
> of field 1 to Bold
>             set the foregroundColor of char varStartChunk to 
> varEndChunk of field 1 to "#0000FF"
>           end if
>         end if
>         put varEndChunk + 1 into varEndChunk
>         put varCounter + 1 into varCounter
>         --put varTotal && "/" && varCounter into field "fStatusBar"
>       end repeat
>     else
>       put varStartChunk + 1 into varStartChunk
>       put varEndChunk + 1 into varEndChunk
>     end if
>     put varCounter + 1 into varCounter
>     put varEndChunk into varStartChunk
>     --put varTotal && "/" && varCounter into field "fStatusBar"
>   end repeat
>   unlock screen
> end SubHighlight
>
> It's not optimized code and there's some extra stuff in there for 
> testing.  And I know it's not pretty code either, it's merely a few 
> hours worth of thinking and trying code.
>
> I do not know of any other way to check the contents of the FIELD 
> without having to check the entire contents.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas, thoughts, suggestions or have done some 
> code like this before, that could help me out with this?
>
> Thanks,
> -Garrett
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From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Mar 23 05:30:21 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 04:30:21 -0600
Subject: FTP and cross platform issues...
In-Reply-To: <10558498.1143073871474.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>
References: <10558498.1143073871474.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>
Message-ID: <442278BD.8050002@chipp.com>

Hi John,

What version of Rev are you using? If you're on 2.7 and having trouble 
with FTP uploads, I suggest you contact Dave Cragg and get his 2.7 
libURL patch and try it again. I've had some problems with libURL on 2.7 
and FTP and Dave sent me a patch which fixed it.

best,

Chipp



From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Thu Mar 23 06:04:20 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:04:20 +0000
Subject: Weirdness Passing Messages
In-Reply-To: <6415C794-548A-4070-BF06-08F7C580BA93@maseurope.net>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<02117863-B837-11DA-BF46-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<97F32A0F-F818-4A02-A0D6-39F8E8E9329F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<3362660E-B915-11DA-B8F4-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<A35AD941-61E2-4D29-994A-06F2BBE38D55@inspiredlogic.com>
	<4CAD5779-B9B9-11DA-8FFE-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<6A75A57F-22E3-4039-A009-50B5093C2980@inspiredlogic.com>
	<EFA7F9AA-B9C6-11DA-8753-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<68403533-585E-4836-A0FF-AD091C027707@dsl.pipex.com>
	<79D9D0FA-2E5A-48CD-B0C9-E8D8F7AA97B5@maseurope.net>
	<30723811-F057-429A-8398-3725651B8159@dsl.pipex.com>
	<6415C794-548A-4070-BF06-08F7C580BA93@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <6B56B517-6DFD-4BCA-BB2A-63B9E913D75A@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

As far as I know (I have asked this question on this list before) and  
according to the documentation, "me" always refers to the object that  
the script is running in.

Are you suggesting I change "me" to "long name of x" just to see if  
it makes a difference or in general?

If you mean in general, then this will mean that a lot of the  
reusability of code that is so good in RunRev will vanish and make  
developing Apps MUCH slower. In fact if I have to do this then I  
would seriously consider not using RunRev anymore.

I have lots of fields that all refer to "me", to change them now  
would take forever and result in a lot of hand-tweaking every time I  
want to re-use a Group.

Here is the problem again, described in simpler terms:

1  StackMain:Card1:ObjectA:mouseUp   - Calls Function  
StackUtil:PutMessage("MessageX")
2  StackUtil:PutMessage                             - Calls Handler  
StackMain:Card2:ObjectX:MessageX (via send)
3  StackMain:Card2:ObjectX:MessageX - Put "MessageX" into me and then  
Calls Function StackUtil:PutMessage("MessageY")
4  StackUtil:PutMessage                            - Calls Handler  
StackMain:Card2:ObjectY:MessageY (via send)
5  StackMain:Card2:ObjectY:MessageY - Put "MessageY" into me

In this case the "put" statement at step 5 does NOT put "MessageY"  
into  StackMain:Card2:ObjectY (the object is unchanged), but the  
"put" at step 3 works ok.

However, this does work:

1  StackMain:Card2:ObjectX:mouseUp   - Calls Function  
StackUtil:PutMessage("MessageY")
2  StackUtil:PutMessage                             - Calls Handler  
StackMain:Card2:ObjectY:MessageY (via send)
3  StackMain:Card2:ObjectY:MessageY - Put "MessageY" into me

What could be going wrong here? Is it that I am mixing functions and  
handlers?

How can I test to see if the context is the problem?

Any ideas on how to get this working would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave

On 23 Mar 2006, at 02:22, Mark Smith wrote:

> Is it a context problem?
>
> It might be worth trying to replace
> put "MessageY" into me
> with
> put "MessageY" into <long name of control>
>
> I've always thought that 'me' always referred to the control whose  
> script it appears in, but that's an assumption, not  necessarily a  
> fact...
>
> Mark
>
> On 22 Mar 2006, at 19:14, David Burgun wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> function ListenForMessages theMessageID,theHanlderLocation
>>
>> Adds to an Array (stored in a GlobalProperty of StackUtil) as so:
>>
>> MessageArray[theMessageID] =  theHanlderLocation
>>
>> If theMessageID is already in the Array and the Location is not  
>> already in the data part of the array, then it is appended, so the  
>> array looks like this:
>>
>>    Key                      Data
>> "MessageX"          ObjectX of Card 2 of Stack "StackMain",ObjectY  
>> of Card 2 of Stack ""StackMain"
>>
>> and is called like so:
>>
>> ListenForMessages("MessageX",the long name of me)
>>
>>
>> function PutMessage theMessageID
>>
>> Looks up theMessageID in the Array built in ListenForMessages and  
>> calls (via a "send" statement) the handler with the name  
>> theMessageID at the location(s) specified in the data part of the  
>> array.
>>
>> As I said the Message handling functions seem to work fine in  
>> general, but not when PutMessage() is called from within a message  
>> handler OR when called from a different card that the one that  
>> called the initial message. Not sure which!
>>
>> Thanks a lot
>> All the Best
>> Dave
>>
>> On 22 Mar 2006, at 19:02, Mark Smith wrote:
>>
>>> What do these functions do?
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On 22 Mar 2006, at 18:51, David Burgun wrote:
>>>
>>>> PutMessage()
>>>> ListenForMessages()
>>>
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From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Thu Mar 23 06:18:38 2006
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:18:38 +0100
Subject: somewhat OT : Rev cgi & Safari
Message-ID: <4422840C.A174B348@club-internet.fr>

Hi list,

I'm using Rev cgi and have a problem debugging a script :
it's a (rather) complex subscription page to a website, with
a sophisticated form and javascript functions, and on the server
side a cgi with a mySQL connection.
Everything works fine except for 1 version of Safari. The agent
information for that version is :
Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; fr-fr) AppleWebKit/312.8
(KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/312.6

in short, some elements of the HTML form are skipped when the
user clicks the submit button...
And to make things even more difficult (to reproduce and correct
the bug, or find a workaround), this seems to happen only
sporadically; i mean that using that specific version of Safari
doesn't systematically lead to the bug...
so I guess it must be a combination of the form structure, the
javascript code and the data entered in the form...
the tricky thing being that when forms elements are skipped, I
have no idea of what were the data entered by users...

I'm not sure what question I should ask now, coz it's hard to
make any diagnosis without careful checking the whole code...

But does anyone have a clue of which version of Safari it is ?

And could anyone provide some good advice about a methodology
to reproduce and track down the problem ?

Thanks,
JB



From douez at wanadoo.fr  Thu Mar 23 06:08:56 2006
From: douez at wanadoo.fr (thierry)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:08:56 +0000
Subject: MVC in Rev?
In-Reply-To: <4421B55A.7000801@fourthworld.com>
References: <4421B55A.7000801@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <442281C8.1080903@wanadoo.fr>

Hi Richard ,


may be you would find *interesting* this article based on
a variant of the MVC model.....

     http://atomicobject.com/media/files/PresenterFirst.pdf

HTH,
thierry

>
> I've been reworking my framework and its data management engine to 
> explore ways it can shorten my development time even more.  Since MVC 
> is the buzzword du jour, I've been looking into ways of implementing 
> MVC in Rev.
>
> [.......]
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal



From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Thu Mar 23 06:21:58 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:21:58 +0000
Subject: Weirdness Passing Messages
In-Reply-To: <6415C794-548A-4070-BF06-08F7C580BA93@maseurope.net>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<02117863-B837-11DA-BF46-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<97F32A0F-F818-4A02-A0D6-39F8E8E9329F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<3362660E-B915-11DA-B8F4-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<A35AD941-61E2-4D29-994A-06F2BBE38D55@inspiredlogic.com>
	<4CAD5779-B9B9-11DA-8FFE-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<6A75A57F-22E3-4039-A009-50B5093C2980@inspiredlogic.com>
	<EFA7F9AA-B9C6-11DA-8753-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<68403533-585E-4836-A0FF-AD091C027707@dsl.pipex.com>
	<79D9D0FA-2E5A-48CD-B0C9-E8D8F7AA97B5@maseurope.net>
	<30723811-F057-429A-8398-3725651B8159@dsl.pipex.com>
	<6415C794-548A-4070-BF06-08F7C580BA93@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <F136722F-6709-499C-8053-D29DECA96E90@dsl.pipex.com>

Update:

I just changed the code so that instead of:

put "MessageY" into me

It now reads:

put "MessageY" into field "FieldY" of group "Y" of card 2 of stack "/ 
Documents/Test/StackMain.rev"

And now the "put" statement works as expected!!!!!!!

Can anyone shed some light on this?

I really need to refer to the object without hardcoding it's name  
into the Script, I thought that was what "me" was for?????

Is this a bug? If so is there a workaround??

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave

Hi,

As far as I know (I have asked this question on this list before) and  
according to the documentation, "me" always refers to the object that  
the script is running in.

Are you suggesting I change "me" to "long name of x" just to see if  
it makes a difference or in general?

If you mean in general, then this will mean that a lot of the  
reusability of code that is so good in RunRev will vanish and make  
developing Apps MUCH slower. In fact if I have to do this then I  
would seriously consider not using RunRev anymore.

I have lots of fields that all refer to "me", to change them now  
would take forever and result in a lot of hand-tweaking every time I  
want to re-use a Group.

Here is the problem again, described in simpler terms:

1  StackMain:Card1:ObjectA:mouseUp   - Calls Function  
StackUtil:PutMessage("MessageX")
2  StackUtil:PutMessage                             - Calls Handler  
StackMain:Card2:ObjectX:MessageX (via send)
3  StackMain:Card2:ObjectX:MessageX - Put "MessageX" into me and then  
Calls Function StackUtil:PutMessage("MessageY")
4  StackUtil:PutMessage                            - Calls Handler  
StackMain:Card2:ObjectY:MessageY (via send)
5  StackMain:Card2:ObjectY:MessageY - Put "MessageY" into me

In this case the "put" statement at step 5 does NOT put "MessageY"  
into  StackMain:Card2:ObjectY (the object is unchanged), but the  
"put" at step 3 works ok.

However, this does work:

1  StackMain:Card2:ObjectX:mouseUp   - Calls Function  
StackUtil:PutMessage("MessageY")
2  StackUtil:PutMessage                             - Calls Handler  
StackMain:Card2:ObjectY:MessageY (via send)
3  StackMain:Card2:ObjectY:MessageY - Put "MessageY" into me

What could be going wrong here? Is it that I am mixing functions and  
handlers?

How can I test to see if the context is the problem?

Any ideas on how to get this working would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave

On 23 Mar 2006, at 02:22, Mark Smith wrote:

> Is it a context problem?
>
> It might be worth trying to replace
> put "MessageY" into me
> with
> put "MessageY" into <long name of control>
>
> I've always thought that 'me' always referred to the control whose  
> script it appears in, but that's an assumption, not  necessarily a  
> fact...
>
> Mark


From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Thu Mar 23 06:24:22 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:24:22 +0000
Subject: Get a handler from a script
In-Reply-To: <DE5CBFE2-6809-4211-BEFE-7DAF18E6C3AA@scarlet.be>
References: <6B0024C3-E175-495E-927A-C7C6CD8CFD19@scarlet.be>
	<B4441DD3-CA9F-4DD3-BEE5-CFF72A437A12@scarlet.be>
	<EF016C91-3958-4799-AE7E-9DB6604AD6A0@dsl.pipex.com>
	<DE5CBFE2-6809-4211-BEFE-7DAF18E6C3AA@scarlet.be>
Message-ID: <6CFC36B2-A205-4879-895B-CD4086037757@dsl.pipex.com>


On 22 Mar 2006, at 13:55, Wouter wrote:

> Hi David,
>
>
> On 22 Mar 2006, at 12:53, David Burgun wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Nice Script!
>>
>> There is just one thing I don't understand?
>>
>> What are the:
>>
>> get  "/*" & i
>>
>> Statements for?????
>
>
> /* this is a comment
> as is this */function whatever
> return "something"
> end whatever
>
> This is to force the tokenizing.
> The script is parsed line by line.
> The first line of the block comment will be eliminated by token 1  
> to - 1 of  i
> But the first token of  the  second line of the block comment will  
> be the first word --> "as"
> By adding a "/*" in front of that line the first token will be  
> "function"
>

Thanks a lot!

All the Best
Dave



From mb.ur at harbourhost.co.uk  Thu Mar 23 06:30:46 2006
From: mb.ur at harbourhost.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:30:46 +0000
Subject: somewhat OT : Rev cgi & Safari
In-Reply-To: <4422840C.A174B348@club-internet.fr>
References: <4422840C.A174B348@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <442286E6.3060906@harbourhost.co.uk>

jbv wrote:
> Hi list,
> 
> I'm using Rev cgi and have a problem debugging a script :
> it's a (rather) complex subscription page to a website, with
> a sophisticated form and javascript functions, and on the server
> side a cgi with a mySQL connection.
> Everything works fine except for 1 version of Safari. The agent
> information for that version is :
> Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; fr-fr) AppleWebKit/312.8
> (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/312.6
> 
> in short, some elements of the HTML form are skipped when the
> user clicks the submit button...
> And to make things even more difficult (to reproduce and correct
> the bug, or find a workaround), this seems to happen only
> sporadically; i mean that using that specific version of Safari
> doesn't systematically lead to the bug...
> so I guess it must be a combination of the form structure, the
> javascript code and the data entered in the form...
> the tricky thing being that when forms elements are skipped, I
> have no idea of what were the data entered by users...
> 
> I'm not sure what question I should ask now, coz it's hard to
> make any diagnosis without careful checking the whole code...
> 
> But does anyone have a clue of which version of Safari it is ?
> 
> And could anyone provide some good advice about a methodology
> to reproduce and track down the problem ?
> 
> Thanks,
> JB

Don't know about safari versions.
Are you styling the form elements with css at all? I have known this to 
cause serious browser-specific issues in the past.
Are the names of your form elements robust - all safe characters - if 
they are somehow getting encoded by the browser your cgi might not 
recognise them? (A Very Long shot I know, but...)
What kinds of elements go missing? Any pattern?

Martin Baxter


From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Thu Mar 23 07:00:49 2006
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:00:49 +0100
Subject: somewhat OT : Rev cgi & Safari
References: <4422840C.A174B348@club-internet.fr>
	<442286E6.3060906@harbourhost.co.uk>
Message-ID: <44228DED.3C4B2A89@club-internet.fr>



>
>
> Don't know about safari versions.
> Are you styling the form elements with css at all? I have known this to
> cause serious browser-specific issues in the past.
> Are the names of your form elements robust - all safe characters - if
> they are somehow getting encoded by the browser your cgi might not
> recognise them? (A Very Long shot I know, but...)
> What kinds of elements go missing? Any pattern?

Martin,

Thanks for your reply...

yes, I use css with all form elements and those that get
skipped are mainly <select> elements with "onchange"
js code...
basically, the form I use is made of 2 parts :
1- a bunch of text fields, check boxes, radio buttons and
menus, all visible and used to enter data
2- a serie of hidden elements which are the true <form>
uploaded by clicking on the submit btn - those hidden
elements gather all the data entered by users and are filled
by js functions according to what users select, type and check.

This works fine on IE Mac OS9 & OSX and Win XP, as well
as Firefox Win & Mac OSX and Safari 2.
The previously described problem arises only SOMETIMES on
a previous version of Safari...

JB



From mark at maseurope.net  Thu Mar 23 06:56:58 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:56:58 +0000
Subject: Weirdness Passing Messages
In-Reply-To: <F136722F-6709-499C-8053-D29DECA96E90@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<02117863-B837-11DA-BF46-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<97F32A0F-F818-4A02-A0D6-39F8E8E9329F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<3362660E-B915-11DA-B8F4-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<A35AD941-61E2-4D29-994A-06F2BBE38D55@inspiredlogic.com>
	<4CAD5779-B9B9-11DA-8FFE-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<6A75A57F-22E3-4039-A009-50B5093C2980@inspiredlogic.com>
	<EFA7F9AA-B9C6-11DA-8753-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<68403533-585E-4836-A0FF-AD091C027707@dsl.pipex.com>
	<79D9D0FA-2E5A-48CD-B0C9-E8D8F7AA97B5@maseurope.net>
	<30723811-F057-429A-8398-3725651B8159@dsl.pipex.com>
	<6415C794-548A-4070-BF06-08F7C580BA93@maseurope.net>
	<F136722F-6709-499C-8053-D29DECA96E90@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <C2764FB8-91E6-4B85-A502-A4DEF1E98AD5@maseurope.net>

I just set up a slightly simpler version of what you've described,  
and got exactly the same results. I then inserted 'go cd 2 of stack  
"stackMain" into then putMessage handler, just before the 'send to'  
line, and it works as desired,
so it's definitely a context problem. Checking the docs:
-----
If the currently executing handler is in the script of the object  
that received the original message, then me is the same as the object  
whose name is returned by the target function. For example, suppose a  
button script contains a mouseDown handler. The value of the target  
function within that mouseDown handler is the same as the name of me:  
the name of the button.

However, if the mouseDown handler is in the card's script instead of  
the button's, me is not the same as the object specified by the  
target. In this case, me is the card, but the target function returns  
the button's name, because the button is the object that first  
received the mouseDown message.
----

which to my slightly foggy mind suggests that when explicitly 'send'  
ing a message to an object from another object (overiding the message  
path) it might be necessary to use 'the target' rather than 'me'..

so now I've substituted "the target" for "me" in the objects script,  
and the problem seems to be solved. Does that work for you?

Mark

On 23 Mar 2006, at 11:21, David Burgun wrote:

> Update:
>
> I just changed the code so that instead of:
>
> put "MessageY" into me
>
> It now reads:
>
> put "MessageY" into field "FieldY" of group "Y" of card 2 of stack  
> "/Documents/Test/StackMain.rev"
>
> And now the "put" statement works as expected!!!!!!!
>
> Can anyone shed some light on this?
>
> I really need to refer to the object without hardcoding it's name  
> into the Script, I thought that was what "me" was for?????
>
> Is this a bug? If so is there a workaround??
>
> Thanks a lot
> All the Best
> Dave
>
> Hi,
>
> As far as I know (I have asked this question on this list before)  
> and according to the documentation, "me" always refers to the  
> object that the script is running in.
>
> Are you suggesting I change "me" to "long name of x" just to see if  
> it makes a difference or in general?
>
> If you mean in general, then this will mean that a lot of the  
> reusability of code that is so good in RunRev will vanish and make  
> developing Apps MUCH slower. In fact if I have to do this then I  
> would seriously consider not using RunRev anymore.
>
> I have lots of fields that all refer to "me", to change them now  
> would take forever and result in a lot of hand-tweaking every time  
> I want to re-use a Group.
>
> Here is the problem again, described in simpler terms:
>
> 1  StackMain:Card1:ObjectA:mouseUp   - Calls Function  
> StackUtil:PutMessage("MessageX")
> 2  StackUtil:PutMessage                             - Calls Handler  
> StackMain:Card2:ObjectX:MessageX (via send)
> 3  StackMain:Card2:ObjectX:MessageX - Put "MessageX" into me and  
> then Calls Function StackUtil:PutMessage("MessageY")
> 4  StackUtil:PutMessage                            - Calls Handler  
> StackMain:Card2:ObjectY:MessageY (via send)
> 5  StackMain:Card2:ObjectY:MessageY - Put "MessageY" into me
>
> In this case the "put" statement at step 5 does NOT put "MessageY"  
> into  StackMain:Card2:ObjectY (the object is unchanged), but the  
> "put" at step 3 works ok.
>
> However, this does work:
>
> 1  StackMain:Card2:ObjectX:mouseUp   - Calls Function  
> StackUtil:PutMessage("MessageY")
> 2  StackUtil:PutMessage                             - Calls Handler  
> StackMain:Card2:ObjectY:MessageY (via send)
> 3  StackMain:Card2:ObjectY:MessageY - Put "MessageY" into me
>
> What could be going wrong here? Is it that I am mixing functions  
> and handlers?
>
> How can I test to see if the context is the problem?
>
> Any ideas on how to get this working would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks a lot
> All the Best
> Dave
>
> On 23 Mar 2006, at 02:22, Mark Smith wrote:
>
>> Is it a context problem?
>>
>> It might be worth trying to replace
>> put "MessageY" into me
>> with
>> put "MessageY" into <long name of control>
>>
>> I've always thought that 'me' always referred to the control whose  
>> script it appears in, but that's an assumption, not  necessarily a  
>> fact...
>>
>> Mark
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From higginsta at mac.com  Thu Mar 23 07:11:50 2006
From: higginsta at mac.com (Todd Higgins)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 07:11:50 -0500
Subject: somewhat OT : Rev cgi & Safari
In-Reply-To: <4422840C.A174B348@club-internet.fr>
References: <4422840C.A174B348@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <017BDA26-B946-44C5-9E4A-E713EB720908@mac.com>

Hi jbv,



On Mar 23, 2006, at 6:18 AM, jbv wrote:

> Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; fr-fr) AppleWebKit/312.8
> (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/312.6

Based on the user agent information that is  Safari 1.3.2 running on  
Mac OS  X 10.3.9 with the latest security update installed.  You can  
find a chart that details all of the useragent string versions here:

http://developer.apple.com/internet/safari/uamatrix.html

When troubleshooting Safari and webkit issues I recommend this site:

  http://webkit.opendarwin.org/


Regards,

Todd

--
Todd Higgins
higginsta at mac.com





From livfoss at mac.com  Thu Mar 23 07:22:47 2006
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:22:47 +0100
Subject: URL 'file:' format
Message-ID: <51B8AAD4-1B7B-4CD4-9B04-64763A66C0D9@mac.com>

It seems it's dumb question week for me - many of you will wonder how  
I've gone on with RR development for years and not known the answer  
to this one... anyway:

I only work with local text files in my current app, and I've never  
had to use the 'URL' form. However I think it would be convenient to  
do an update of a file using this form, since I want to be able to  
read the contents of a file and then replace the entire contents. The  
'open for update' and 'write to file' commands don't seem to to make  
this very convenient, but of course I may be misreading the docs...  
so I decide to use the form:

  get URL someFileDesignation

... do stuff to 'it'...

put it into URL someFileDesignation

which seems from the docs to be an OK thing to do.

Anyway I tried to create 'someFileDesignation' as

  "file:/C:/MyFirstDirectory/MySecondDirectory/Mydoc.text"

where everything after the "file:/" is a known valid file path (it's  
Windows XP, but of course RR internal format) and this can be proved  
by opening the file in text editor. I've tried putting 0, 1 and 2 '/'  
characters after "file:" but I always get "can't open file". The docs  
are not explicit on this point, and I've run out of guesses. What is  
the format supposed to be? And should I open the file first (I assume  
not, as this isn't mentioned in the docs).

Sorry if everyone else knows the answer, but there it is...

Graham

----------------------------------------
Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France



From mark at maseurope.net  Thu Mar 23 07:23:24 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:23:24 +0000
Subject: Weirdness Passing Messages
In-Reply-To: <C2764FB8-91E6-4B85-A502-A4DEF1E98AD5@maseurope.net>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<02117863-B837-11DA-BF46-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<97F32A0F-F818-4A02-A0D6-39F8E8E9329F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<3362660E-B915-11DA-B8F4-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<A35AD941-61E2-4D29-994A-06F2BBE38D55@inspiredlogic.com>
	<4CAD5779-B9B9-11DA-8FFE-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<6A75A57F-22E3-4039-A009-50B5093C2980@inspiredlogic.com>
	<EFA7F9AA-B9C6-11DA-8753-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<68403533-585E-4836-A0FF-AD091C027707@dsl.pipex.com>
	<79D9D0FA-2E5A-48CD-B0C9-E8D8F7AA97B5@maseurope.net>
	<30723811-F057-429A-8398-3725651B8159@dsl.pipex.com>
	<6415C794-548A-4070-BF06-08F7C580BA93@maseurope.net>
	<F136722F-6709-499C-8053-D29DECA96E90@dsl.pipex.com>
	<C2764FB8-91E6-4B85-A502-A4DEF1E98AD5@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <D90A36CE-E62E-45A0-87BE-8F659C6D7F7A@maseurope.net>

Scratch that - sorry, I'd left the 'go cd' line in...taking it out,   
using 'the target' also fails.

So, to narrow down the problem,

I made a mainstack - stack "mp" with 2 cards. On card 2 there is a  
field "f1" with the script

on showMessage tm
   beep
   put tm into me
end show message

I then made a substack - stack "mps", with a button, whose script is

on mouseUp
   put "hello" into tm
   send "showMessage tm" to fld "f1" of cd 2 of stack "mp"
end mouseUp

Now, if cd 2 of stack "mp" is the current cd of stack "mp", on  
clicking the button in stack "mps", I hear a beep, and the word  
'hello' appears in fld "f1". So far so good.

However, if cd 1 is the current card of stack "mp", on clicking the  
button in stack "mps", I hear a beep. I then go to cd 2 of stack  
"mp", and fld "f1" is empty...

Inserting "put tm" into the showMessage handler in fld "f1", I click,  
and "hello" appears in the message box, so the parameter is certainly  
getting there. Then inserting "put the target" into the showMessage  
handler, I click, and "field "f1"" appears in the message box, but  
still fld "f1" is empty.

I'm baffled.

Mark


On 23 Mar 2006, at 11:56, Mark Smith wrote:

> I just set up a slightly simpler version of what you've described,  
> and got exactly the same results. I then inserted 'go cd 2 of stack  
> "stackMain" into then putMessage handler, just before the 'send to'  
> line, and it works as desired,
> so it's definitely a context problem. Checking the docs:
> -----
> If the currently executing handler is in the script of the object  
> that received the original message, then me is the same as the  
> object whose name is returned by the target function. For example,  
> suppose a button script contains a mouseDown handler. The value of  
> the target function within that mouseDown handler is the same as  
> the name of me: the name of the button.
>
> However, if the mouseDown handler is in the card's script instead  
> of the button's, me is not the same as the object specified by the  
> target. In this case, me is the card, but the target function  
> returns the button's name, because the button is the object that  
> first received the mouseDown message.
> ----
>
> which to my slightly foggy mind suggests that when explicitly  
> 'send' ing a message to an object from another object (overiding  
> the message path) it might be necessary to use 'the target' rather  
> than 'me'..
>
> so now I've substituted "the target" for "me" in the objects  
> script, and the problem seems to be solved. Does that work for you?
>
> Mark
>
> On 23 Mar 2006, at 11:21, David Burgun wrote:
>
>> Update:
>>
>> I just changed the code so that instead of:
>>
>> put "MessageY" into me
>>
>> It now reads:
>>
>> put "MessageY" into field "FieldY" of group "Y" of card 2 of stack  
>> "/Documents/Test/StackMain.rev"
>>
>> And now the "put" statement works as expected!!!!!!!
>>
>> Can anyone shed some light on this?
>>
>> I really need to refer to the object without hardcoding it's name  
>> into the Script, I thought that was what "me" was for?????
>>
>> Is this a bug? If so is there a workaround??
>>
>> Thanks a lot
>> All the Best
>> Dave
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> As far as I know (I have asked this question on this list before)  
>> and according to the documentation, "me" always refers to the  
>> object that the script is running in.
>>
>> Are you suggesting I change "me" to "long name of x" just to see  
>> if it makes a difference or in general?
>>
>> If you mean in general, then this will mean that a lot of the  
>> reusability of code that is so good in RunRev will vanish and make  
>> developing Apps MUCH slower. In fact if I have to do this then I  
>> would seriously consider not using RunRev anymore.
>>
>> I have lots of fields that all refer to "me", to change them now  
>> would take forever and result in a lot of hand-tweaking every time  
>> I want to re-use a Group.
>>
>> Here is the problem again, described in simpler terms:
>>
>> 1  StackMain:Card1:ObjectA:mouseUp   - Calls Function  
>> StackUtil:PutMessage("MessageX")
>> 2  StackUtil:PutMessage                             - Calls  
>> Handler StackMain:Card2:ObjectX:MessageX (via send)
>> 3  StackMain:Card2:ObjectX:MessageX - Put "MessageX" into me and  
>> then Calls Function StackUtil:PutMessage("MessageY")
>> 4  StackUtil:PutMessage                            - Calls Handler  
>> StackMain:Card2:ObjectY:MessageY (via send)
>> 5  StackMain:Card2:ObjectY:MessageY - Put "MessageY" into me
>>
>> In this case the "put" statement at step 5 does NOT put "MessageY"  
>> into  StackMain:Card2:ObjectY (the object is unchanged), but the  
>> "put" at step 3 works ok.
>>
>> However, this does work:
>>
>> 1  StackMain:Card2:ObjectX:mouseUp   - Calls Function  
>> StackUtil:PutMessage("MessageY")
>> 2  StackUtil:PutMessage                             - Calls  
>> Handler StackMain:Card2:ObjectY:MessageY (via send)
>> 3  StackMain:Card2:ObjectY:MessageY - Put "MessageY" into me
>>
>> What could be going wrong here? Is it that I am mixing functions  
>> and handlers?
>>
>> How can I test to see if the context is the problem?
>>
>> Any ideas on how to get this working would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks a lot
>> All the Best
>> Dave
>>
>> On 23 Mar 2006, at 02:22, Mark Smith wrote:
>>
>>> Is it a context problem?
>>>
>>> It might be worth trying to replace
>>> put "MessageY" into me
>>> with
>>> put "MessageY" into <long name of control>
>>>
>>> I've always thought that 'me' always referred to the control  
>>> whose script it appears in, but that's an assumption, not   
>>> necessarily a fact...
>>>
>>> Mark
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
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>



From livfoss at mac.com  Thu Mar 23 07:30:08 2006
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:30:08 +0100
Subject: MVC in Rev?
Message-ID: <F3B2A507-2ACB-4434-ADC6-4DF2C8823E44@mac.com>

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 20:17:20 EST, HyperChris at aol.com wrote:

> to my fellow ludites also not familiar with that particular  
> acronym ...
>
>     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model-view-controller
>
> Looks like great fun! I can't wait to buy one.

Thanks for the much-needed enlightenment.

I may not be a luddite but I guess I'm a troglodyte - anyway a lot  
goes on in the world that I don't see. My real question is, does  
Gaskin ever sleep?

Graham


----------------------------------------
Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France



From mark at maseurope.net  Thu Mar 23 07:31:58 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:31:58 +0000
Subject: Weirdness Passing Messages
In-Reply-To: <D90A36CE-E62E-45A0-87BE-8F659C6D7F7A@maseurope.net>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<02117863-B837-11DA-BF46-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<97F32A0F-F818-4A02-A0D6-39F8E8E9329F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<3362660E-B915-11DA-B8F4-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<A35AD941-61E2-4D29-994A-06F2BBE38D55@inspiredlogic.com>
	<4CAD5779-B9B9-11DA-8FFE-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<6A75A57F-22E3-4039-A009-50B5093C2980@inspiredlogic.com>
	<EFA7F9AA-B9C6-11DA-8753-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<68403533-585E-4836-A0FF-AD091C027707@dsl.pipex.com>
	<79D9D0FA-2E5A-48CD-B0C9-E8D8F7AA97B5@maseurope.net>
	<30723811-F057-429A-8398-3725651B8159@dsl.pipex.com>
	<6415C794-548A-4070-BF06-08F7C580BA93@maseurope.net>
	<F136722F-6709-499C-8053-D29DECA96E90@dsl.pipex.com>
	<C2764FB8-91E6-4B85-A502-A4DEF1E98AD5@maseurope.net>
	<D90A36CE-E62E-45A0-87BE-8F659C6D7F7A@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <C6014DA3-9132-4276-8127-49FD70C9441F@maseurope.net>

Finally,

on showMessage tm
   beep
   do "put tm into " & the long name of me
end show message

Seems to work.

Mark


From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Thu Mar 23 07:34:22 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:34:22 +0000
Subject: Weirdness Passing Messages
In-Reply-To: <D90A36CE-E62E-45A0-87BE-8F659C6D7F7A@maseurope.net>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<02117863-B837-11DA-BF46-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<97F32A0F-F818-4A02-A0D6-39F8E8E9329F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<3362660E-B915-11DA-B8F4-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<A35AD941-61E2-4D29-994A-06F2BBE38D55@inspiredlogic.com>
	<4CAD5779-B9B9-11DA-8FFE-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<6A75A57F-22E3-4039-A009-50B5093C2980@inspiredlogic.com>
	<EFA7F9AA-B9C6-11DA-8753-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<68403533-585E-4836-A0FF-AD091C027707@dsl.pipex.com>
	<79D9D0FA-2E5A-48CD-B0C9-E8D8F7AA97B5@maseurope.net>
	<30723811-F057-429A-8398-3725651B8159@dsl.pipex.com>
	<6415C794-548A-4070-BF06-08F7C580BA93@maseurope.net>
	<F136722F-6709-499C-8053-D29DECA96E90@dsl.pipex.com>
	<C2764FB8-91E6-4B85-A502-A4DEF1E98AD5@maseurope.net>
	<D90A36CE-E62E-45A0 -87BE-8F659C6D7F7A@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <FCBEBC70-3FE2-4F6D-9BA3-26B601747175@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi Mark,

I looked at the information you pasted below too, don't worry! It's  
the document that is "foggy" not you! I've read and re-read it over  
and over again and I am not 100% sure of what is "supposed" to happen  
either!

I change the "me" to "the target" and it still doesn't work!

One thing I did was to add the following to ObjectY:MessageY:

put the long name of me & cr & the long name of the target

To dump the names to the the message box, they are Identical so it's  
not surprising it doesn't work either!

I also played with this:

  put the long name of me into myLongName
  put "MessageY" into myLongName

However, this just assigns "MessageY" to myLongName!

Do you know how I can force it to use the contents of myLongName as a  
field reference?

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave

On 23 Mar 2006, at 12:23, Mark Smith wrote:

> Scratch that - sorry, I'd left the 'go cd' line in...taking it  
> out,  using 'the target' also fails.
>
> So, to narrow down the problem,
>
> I made a mainstack - stack "mp" with 2 cards. On card 2 there is a  
> field "f1" with the script
>
> on showMessage tm
>   beep
>   put tm into me
> end show message
>
> I then made a substack - stack "mps", with a button, whose script is
>
> on mouseUp
>   put "hello" into tm
>   send "showMessage tm" to fld "f1" of cd 2 of stack "mp"
> end mouseUp
>
> Now, if cd 2 of stack "mp" is the current cd of stack "mp", on  
> clicking the button in stack "mps", I hear a beep, and the word  
> 'hello' appears in fld "f1". So far so good.
>
> However, if cd 1 is the current card of stack "mp", on clicking the  
> button in stack "mps", I hear a beep. I then go to cd 2 of stack  
> "mp", and fld "f1" is empty...
>
> Inserting "put tm" into the showMessage handler in fld "f1", I  
> click, and "hello" appears in the message box, so the parameter is  
> certainly getting there. Then inserting "put the target" into the  
> showMessage handler, I click, and "field "f1"" appears in the  
> message box, but still fld "f1" is empty.
>
> I'm baffled.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 23 Mar 2006, at 11:56, Mark Smith wrote:
>
>> I just set up a slightly simpler version of what you've described,  
>> and got exactly the same results. I then inserted 'go cd 2 of  
>> stack "stackMain" into then putMessage handler, just before the  
>> 'send to' line, and it works as desired,
>> so it's definitely a context problem. Checking the docs:
>> -----
>> If the currently executing handler is in the script of the object  
>> that received the original message, then me is the same as the  
>> object whose name is returned by the target function. For example,  
>> suppose a button script contains a mouseDown handler. The value of  
>> the target function within that mouseDown handler is the same as  
>> the name of me: the name of the button.
>>
>> However, if the mouseDown handler is in the card's script instead  
>> of the button's, me is not the same as the object specified by the  
>> target. In this case, me is the card, but the target function  
>> returns the button's name, because the button is the object that  
>> first received the mouseDown message.
>> ----
>>
>> which to my slightly foggy mind suggests that when explicitly  
>> 'send' ing a message to an object from another object (overiding  
>> the message path) it might be necessary to use 'the target' rather  
>> than 'me'..
>>
>> so now I've substituted "the target" for "me" in the objects  
>> script, and the problem seems to be solved. Does that work for you?
>>
>> Mark



From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Thu Mar 23 07:40:52 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:40:52 +0000
Subject: Weirdness Passing Messages
In-Reply-To: <C6014DA3-9132-4276-8127-49FD70C9441F@maseurope.net>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<02117863-B837-11DA-BF46-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<97F32A0F-F818-4A02-A0D6-39F8E8E9329F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<3362660E-B915-11DA-B8F4-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<A35AD941-61E2-4D29-994A-06F2BBE38D55@inspiredlogic.com>
	<4CAD5779-B9B9-11DA-8FFE-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<6A75A57F-22E3-4039-A009-50B5093C2980@inspiredlogic.com>
	<EFA7F9AA-B9C6-11DA-8753-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<68403533-585E-4836-A0FF-AD091C027707@dsl.pipex.com>
	<79D9D0FA-2E5A-48CD-B0C9-E8D8F7AA97B5@maseurope.net>
	<30723811-F057-429A-8398-3725651B8159@dsl.pipex.com>
	<6415C794-548A-4070-BF06-08F7C580BA93@maseurope.net>
	<F136722F-6709-499C-8053-D29DECA96E90@dsl.pipex.com>
	<C2764FB8-91E6-4B85-A502-A4DEF1E98AD5@maseurope.net>
	<D90A36CE-E62E-45A0 -87BE-8F659C6D7F7A@maseurope.net>
	<C6014DA3-9132-4276-8127-49FD70C9441F@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <A7F0BBF0-8465-4CD8-BB6E-6C676CACEFD6@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi Mark,

Great Minds think alike!!!!

I was just experimenting with that too - see my previous post! Thanks  
for letting me know how to make it evaluate the string as an object  
reference. I tried it and it works!

However, this has left me with a VERY unsafe feeling about the usage  
of "me", it obviously doesn't work as published 100%. The thing that  
really gets me if "me" is the correct object (which it obviously is)  
how can a "put "X" into me" not work?????

All the Best
Dave

On 23 Mar 2006, at 12:31, Mark Smith wrote:

> Finally,
>
> on showMessage tm
>   beep
>   do "put tm into " & the long name of me
> end show message
>
> Seems to work.
>
> Mark
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From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Thu Mar 23 07:41:55 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:41:55 +0000
Subject: Weirdness Passing Messages
In-Reply-To: <C6014DA3-9132-4276-8127-49FD70C9441F@maseurope.net>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<02117863-B837-11DA-BF46-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<97F32A0F-F818-4A02-A0D6-39F8E8E9329F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<3362660E-B915-11DA-B8F4-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<A35AD941-61E2-4D29-994A-06F2BBE38D55@inspiredlogic.com>
	<4CAD5779-B9B9-11DA-8FFE-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<6A75A57F-22E3-4039-A009-50B5093C2980@inspiredlogic.com>
	<EFA7F9AA-B9C6-11DA-8753-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<68403533-585E-4836-A0FF-AD091C027707@dsl.pipex.com>
	<79D9D0FA-2E5A-48CD-B0C9-E8D8F7AA97B5@maseurope.net>
	<30723811-F057-429A-8398-3725651B8159@dsl.pipex.com>
	<6415C794-548A-4070-BF06-08F7C580BA93@maseurope.net>
	<F136722F-6709-499C-8053-D29DECA96E90@dsl.pipex.com>
	<C2764FB8-91E6-4B85-A502-A4DEF1E98AD5@maseurope.net>
	<D90A36CE-E62E-45A0 -87BE-8F659C6D7F7A@maseurope.net>
	<C6014DA3-9132-4276-8127-49FD70C9441F@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <9A150932-E022-46F1-B318-2217F5C609E6@dsl.pipex.com>

Opps!

Meant to ask:

What version of RunRev are you using and what platform??

Thanks again
Dave


Hi Mark,

Great Minds think alike!!!!

I was just experimenting with that too - see my previous post! Thanks  
for letting me know how to make it evaluate the string as an object  
reference. I tried it and it works!

However, this has left me with a VERY unsafe feeling about the usage  
of "me", it obviously doesn't work as published 100%. The thing that  
really gets me if "me" is the correct object (which it obviously is)  
how can a "put "X" into me" not work?????

All the Best
Dave

On 23 Mar 2006, at 12:31, Mark Smith wrote:

> Finally,
>
> on showMessage tm
>   beep
>   do "put tm into " & the long name of me
> end show message
>
> Seems to work.
>
> Mark
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Mar 23 07:48:11 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:48:11 +0100
Subject: URL 'file:' format
In-Reply-To: <51B8AAD4-1B7B-4CD4-9B04-64763A66C0D9@mac.com>
References: <51B8AAD4-1B7B-4CD4-9B04-64763A66C0D9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <88A121D2-F97D-4A04-A75B-C288B6FB7A3B@major-k.de>

Hi Graham,

> It seems it's dumb question week for me - many of you will wonder  
> how I've gone on with RR development for years and not known the  
> answer to this one... anyway:
>
> I only work with local text files in my current app, and I've never  
> had to use the 'URL' form. However I think it would be convenient  
> to do an update of a file using this form, since I want to be able  
> to read the contents of a file and then replace the entire  
> contents. The 'open for update' and 'write to file' commands don't  
> seem to to make this very convenient, but of course I may be  
> misreading the docs... so I decide to use the form:
>
>  get URL someFileDesignation
>
> ... do stuff to 'it'...
>
> put it into URL someFileDesignation
>
> which seems from the docs to be an OK thing to do.
>
> Anyway I tried to create 'someFileDesignation' as
>
>  "file:/C:/MyFirstDirectory/MySecondDirectory/Mydoc.text"
>
> where everything after the "file:/" is a known valid file path  
> (it's Windows XP, but of course RR internal format) and this can be  
> proved by opening the file in text editor. I've tried putting 0, 1  
> and 2 '/' characters after "file:" but I always get "can't open  
> file". The docs are not explicit on this point, and I've run out of  
> guesses. What is the format supposed to be? And should I open the  
> file first (I assume not, as this isn't mentioned in the docs).
>
> Sorry if everyone else knows the answer, but there it is...

just tested here on my PC and this works (here).
NO slash after "file:", at least on windows!:

...
put "file:C:/YourFirstDirectory/YourSecondDirectory/Mine not your  
doc.text" into someFileDesignation
put url someFileDesignation into fld 1
...
## changed some text and then:
put fld 1 into url someFileDesignation
...

No problems...

You HAVE write permission there, do you? ;-)

> Graham
>
> ----------------------------------------
> Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From mark at maseurope.net  Thu Mar 23 07:51:29 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:51:29 +0000
Subject: Weirdness Passing Messages
In-Reply-To: <9A150932-E022-46F1-B318-2217F5C609E6@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<02117863-B837-11DA-BF46-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<97F32A0F-F818-4A02-A0D6-39F8E8E9329F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<3362660E-B915-11DA-B8F4-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<A35AD941-61E2-4D29-994A-06F2BBE38D55@inspiredlogic.com>
	<4CAD5779-B9B9-11DA-8FFE-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<6A75A57F-22E3-4039-A009-50B5093C2980@inspiredlogic.com>
	<EFA7F9AA-B9C6-11DA-8753-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<68403533-585E-4836-A0FF-AD091C027707@dsl.pipex.com>
	<79D9D0FA-2E5A-48CD-B0C9-E8D8F7AA97B5@maseurope.net>
	<30723811-F057-429A-8398-3725651B8159@dsl.pipex.com>
	<6415C794-548A-4070-BF06-08F7C580BA93@maseurope.net>
	<F136722F-6709-499C-8053-D29DECA96E90@dsl.pipex.com>
	<C2764FB8-91E6-4B85-A502-A4DEF1E98AD5@maseurope.net>
	<D90A36CE-E62E-45A0 -87BE-8F659C6D7F7A@maseurope.net>
	<C6014DA3-9132-4276-8127-49FD70C9441F@maseurope.net>
	<9A150932-E022-46F1-B318-2217F5C609E6@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <85E01B98-7C0D-44C6-899B-9B1656B6A866@maseurope.net>

Mac OS 10.4.5, Rev 2.7

I'm also a little concerned about the reliable use of 'me'. I think  
this hasn't been an issue for me before, because I very rarely have  
more than 1 card in a stack, but it's good to have discovered this.
I also would have thought that 'put x into me' would work anytime  
'me' is a correct reference, but clearly not...

Best,

Mark
On 23 Mar 2006, at 12:41, David Burgun wrote:

> Opps!
>
> Meant to ask:
>
> What version of RunRev are you using and what platform??
>
> Thanks again
> Dave
>
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> Great Minds think alike!!!!
>
> I was just experimenting with that too - see my previous post!  
> Thanks for letting me know how to make it evaluate the string as an  
> object reference. I tried it and it works!
>
> However, this has left me with a VERY unsafe feeling about the  
> usage of "me", it obviously doesn't work as published 100%. The  
> thing that really gets me if "me" is the correct object (which it  
> obviously is) how can a "put "X" into me" not work?????
>
> All the Best
> Dave
>
> On 23 Mar 2006, at 12:31, Mark Smith wrote:
>
>> Finally,
>>
>> on showMessage tm
>>   beep
>>   do "put tm into " & the long name of me
>> end show message
>>
>> Seems to work.
>>
>> Mark
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Mar 23 08:03:38 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 05:03:38 -0800
Subject: When closed, does a substack whose destroyStack is true remains
 in memory ?
Message-ID: <44229CAA.7090000@fourthworld.com>

Ken Ray wrote:
> Well, as I mentioned above, closed substacks are still in memory if the
> mainstack is, so you could check for the mainstack in "the windows" or in
> "the stacks" to see if it is in memory.

Maybe.

The windows function is documented only to return a list of open stacks. 
  The stacks function would seem to be the better one for testing if 
closed stacks are in memory, but it appears to behave anomalously and 
may not be reliable at this time.

Try this:

1. Make a new mainstack named "AAA"; save it
2. Make a substack in that stack file named "BBB"; save it
3. Get "the stacks"
RESULT: two entries for the filename to "AAA" are in the list,
as we would expect.

4. Set the destroyStack of "AAA" to true
5. Close "AAA"
6. Get "the stacks"
RESULT: the filename of "AAA" is in the list once, since BBB is still 
open; so far so good

7. Close "BBB";
    because BBB has its destroyStack to false it should
    still be in memory, but -
8. get "the stacks"
RESULT: the filename of "AAA" is not in the list

:\

If the description for destroyStack is correct, "BBB" should still be in 
memory even if it's not open:

     If the destroyStack is false, closing a stack's window
     leaves it in memory.

For the stacks function, the dictionary says:

     The list includes any open Revolution windows (such as
     the message box and menu bar). It also includes stacks
     that have been opened during the current session and
     then closed, unless the stack's destroyStack property
     is set to true.

If I change the order so that the mainstack "AAA" has its destroyStack 
set to false and the substack "BBB" has its destroyStack set to true, I 
get the same result -- no entry in "the stacks" even though "AAA" is 
(according to the docs) still in memory.

What am I missing?  In my head this doesn't add up.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Thu Mar 23 08:03:42 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:03:42 +0000
Subject: Weirdness Passing Messages
In-Reply-To: <85E01B98-7C0D-44C6-899B-9B1656B6A866@maseurope.net>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<02117863-B837-11DA-BF46-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<97F32A0F-F818-4A02-A0D6-39F8E8E9329F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<3362660E-B915-11DA-B8F4-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<A35AD941-61E2-4D29-994A-06F2BBE38D55@inspiredlogic.com>
	<4CAD5779-B9B9-11DA-8FFE-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<6A75A57F-22E3-4039-A009-50B5093C2980@inspiredlogic.com>
	<EFA7F9AA-B9C6-11DA-8753-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<68403533-585E-4836-A0FF-AD091C027707@dsl.pipex.com>
	<79D9D0FA-2E5A-48CD-B0C9-E8D8F7AA97B5@maseurope.net>
	<30723811-F057-429A-8398-3725651B8159@dsl.pipex.com>
	<6415C794-548A-4070-BF06-08F7C580BA93@maseurope.net>
	<F136722F-6709-499C-8053-D29DECA96E90@dsl.pipex.com>
	<C2764FB8-91E6-4B85-A502-A4DEF1E98AD5@maseurope.net>
	<D90A36CE-E62E-45A0 -87BE-8F659C6D7F7A@maseurope.net>
	<C6014DA3-9132-4276-8127-49FD70C9441F@maseurope.net>
	<9A150932-E022-46F1-B318-2217F5C609E6@dsl.pipex.com>
	<85E01B98-7C0D-44C6-899B-9B1656B6A866@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <97CD65CC-7203-4765-9392-2B5DF92F6032@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi Mark,

I was hoping that you were going to say Version 2.6.6 (which I am  
using), I was going to try it in version 2.7 and was hoping to would  
be fixed! I'm using MacOS 10.4.5 too.

Can anyone check if this works on a different platform? I only have a  
Mac.

Is this a Bug? If so it a *REALLY* fundamental one! The only way I  
can thing to get around this problem 100% is to add a function:

function PutDataIntoMe theLongName,theData
   do "put theData into " & theLongName
end PutDataIntoMe

and use this anytime I want to put data into "me". However, will I  
need a getter too? Also what about this:

enable me
disable me

or

set the visible of me to true

Will these work? Or do I need similar functions to do all this??? The  
reason I mention it is that I just tried:

set the text me of to "ObjectY"

And it doesn't work either???

This has causing me to reevaluate if RunRev is the correct tool to  
use. If something as Fundamental as this doesn't work, what else  
doesn't work?

All the Best
Dave

On 23 Mar 2006, at 12:51, Mark Smith wrote:

> Mac OS 10.4.5, Rev 2.7
>
> I'm also a little concerned about the reliable use of 'me'. I think  
> this hasn't been an issue for me before, because I very rarely have  
> more than 1 card in a stack, but it's good to have discovered this.
> I also would have thought that 'put x into me' would work anytime  
> 'me' is a correct reference, but clearly not...
>
> Best,
> Mark



From livfoss at mac.com  Thu Mar 23 08:18:05 2006
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:18:05 +0100
Subject: Keeping windows together on Windows XP
Message-ID: <662A7763-AC62-4567-9EFC-D1B311A28941@mac.com>

Thanks Jim - that's news to me! Maybe I can add it to the  
instructions for my app... but as Ken points out, we have the problem  
on OSX too.

Graham

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:40:06 -0800,  Jim Ault <JimAultWins at yahoo.com>

> Actually, I use the F10 key... tap it twice and Expose will show/ 
> bring to
> the front all the windows in the frontmost app.
>
> Also, tab-switching by ( cmd-tab, cmd-shift-tab ) which will show  
> the tab
> display, then bring you back the the left-most app.
>


----------------------------------------
Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France



From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Thu Mar 23 08:20:18 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:20:18 +0000
Subject: Message Box ?
In-Reply-To: <3543393.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <3542723.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<C7C8D182-4900-465E-A505-1DCE64895FB7@byu.edu>
	<3543393.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <8A7D8C88-A6D9-41F9-8DB2-ECD3F9C403AE@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

Are you typing openFIle as one word?

It is two separate words - open file and close file etc.

All the Best
Dave

On 22 Mar 2006, at 23:25, thulme wrote:

>
>> set the defaultFolder to /Users/myusername/Desktop/
>
>> Then try it again. Chances are it will work this time. If this
>> doesn't fix it, try switching to the multi-line message box and  
>> enter:
>
>> openFile "myfile.txt"
>> put the result
>
>> Then hit the enter key. If there is an error 'the result' should
>> contain information about the error.
>
> Verified I have permissions (Win XP) and entered the two line above in
> multiline.
>
> I get:  Message execution error:
>          Error description: Handler: can't find handler
>
> If I enter closeFile command i get result of : "file not open"
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Message-Box-- 
> t1327177.html#a3543393
> Sent from the Revolution - User forum at Nabble.com.
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Mar 23 08:20:56 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 05:20:56 -0800
Subject: URL 'file:' format
Message-ID: <4422A0B8.9000502@fourthworld.com>

Graham wrote:

> Anyway I tried to create 'someFileDesignation' as
> 
>   "file:/C:/MyFirstDirectory/MySecondDirectory/Mydoc.text"
> 
> where everything after the "file:/" is a known valid file path

Remove the "/" after "file:" and you're good.  Win paths begin with the 
drive letter only, without the preceeding "/".


Elsewhere Graham wrote:

> I may not be a luddite but I guess I'm a troglodyte 

As "The Living Fossil" wouldn't that make you a trilobyte?

> - anyway a lot goes on in the world that I don't see.
> My real question is, does Gaskin ever sleep?

Only as much as Thomas Jefferson: a few hours at night and a couple in 
the afternoon.  It seems to work well for me in nearly everything except 
my spellling.  :)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From mb.ur at harbourhost.co.uk  Thu Mar 23 08:47:51 2006
From: mb.ur at harbourhost.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:47:51 +0000
Subject: somewhat OT : Rev cgi & Safari
In-Reply-To: <44228DED.3C4B2A89@club-internet.fr>
References: <4422840C.A174B348@club-internet.fr>
	<442286E6.3060906@harbourhost.co.uk>
	<44228DED.3C4B2A89@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <4422A707.70302@harbourhost.co.uk>

jbv wrote:
> 
>>
>> Don't know about safari versions.
>> Are you styling the form elements with css at all? I have known this to
>> cause serious browser-specific issues in the past.
>> Are the names of your form elements robust - all safe characters - if
>> they are somehow getting encoded by the browser your cgi might not
>> recognise them? (A Very Long shot I know, but...)
>> What kinds of elements go missing? Any pattern?
> 
> Martin,
> 
> Thanks for your reply...
> 
> yes, I use css with all form elements and those that get
> skipped are mainly <select> elements with "onchange"
> js code...

That's a scenario where I have seen issues. I've seen some browsers get 
really confused by css styled select elements. One thing I have seen 
personally (actually in ie macOS 9 IIRC but not in any recent browsers) 
is confusion over the actual position of the select element, - e.g. it 
gets activated when clicking in adjacent whitespace, but not on the 
element itself. If possible I would simply remove styling from these and 
see if that affects what happens.

I have also seen browsers freeze when a select element is changed. This 
sort of thing might be a javascript issue, but could also conceivably be 
related to css if some bad code in the browser itself is making 
assumptions about the select element having been drawn directly by the 
OS. A javascript error need not freeze the browser of course, it could 
easily "fail silently" from the users perspective. The value change 
presumably then wouldn't be applied to your hidden elements. Since you 
are reliant on javascript, and that is notorious for browser related 
issues, it is quite possible there are some js bugs in the particular 
safari version. So I would have a close look at the relevant onchange 
routines to ensure they are as robust as possible, make few or ideally 
no environmental assumptions etc.

Martin Baxter

> basically, the form I use is made of 2 parts :
> 1- a bunch of text fields, check boxes, radio buttons and
> menus, all visible and used to enter data
> 2- a serie of hidden elements which are the true <form>
> uploaded by clicking on the submit btn - those hidden
> elements gather all the data entered by users and are filled
> by js functions according to what users select, type and check.
> 
> This works fine on IE Mac OS9 & OSX and Win XP, as well
> as Firefox Win & Mac OSX and Safari 2.
> The previously described problem arises only SOMETIMES on
> a previous version of Safari...
> 
> JB
> 
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From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Thu Mar 23 08:55:49 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:55:49 +0000
Subject: Terrible RunRev Bug? - Was Weirdness Passing Messages
In-Reply-To: <442278BD.8050002@chipp.com>
References: <10558498.1143073871474.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>
	<442278BD.8050002@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <55F7D6CF-3DD4-4F07-BA3E-BDBB8D5078D5@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi All,

I have a problem that first I thought was something that I was doing  
wrong but now I'm not sure and would like confirmation of how the  
Context mechanism works in RunRev.

I have the following setup:
1  StackMain:Card1:ObjectA:mouseUp   - Calls Function  
StackUtil:PutMessage("MessageX")
2  StackUtil:PutMessage                             - Calls Handler  
StackMain:Card2:ObjectX:MessageX (via send)
3  StackMain:Card2:ObjectX:MessageX - Put "MessageX" into me and then  
Calls Function StackUtil:PutMessage("MessageY")
4  StackUtil:PutMessage                            - Calls Handler  
StackMain:Card2:ObjectY:MessageY (via send)
5  StackMain:Card2:ObjectY:MessageY - Put "MessageY" into me

In this case the "put" statement at step 5 does NOT put "MessageY"  
into  StackMain:Card2:ObjectY (the object is unchanged), but the  
"put" at step 3 works ok.

If I change the code at Step 5 to read:
put "MessageY" into field "FieldY" of group "Y" of card 2 of stack "/ 
Documents/Test/StackMain.rev" (e.g. the hard coded name of the object).

or

local myData
put "MessageY" into myData
do "put myData into " & the long name of me

Then the put statement works ok.

This also works ok:
1  StackMain:Card2:ObjectX:mouseUp   - Calls Function  
StackUtil:PutMessage("MessageY")
2  StackUtil:PutMessage                             - Calls Handler  
StackMain:Card2:ObjectY:MessageY (via send)
3  StackMain:Card2:ObjectY:MessageY - Put "MessageY" into me

I have also tried the following with no luck:

set the text of me to "ObjectY"

What could be going wrong here?
Is it that I am mixing functions and handlers?
How can I test to see if the context is the problem?
I really need to refer to the object without hardcoding it's name  
into the Script, I thought that was what "me" was for?????
Is this a bug? If so is there a workaround??
Can anyone shed some light on this? Any ideas on how to get this  
working would be greatly appreciated.

Mark Smith (many thanks Mark) verified that he has the same problem  
but is using the same platform, could someone try this on Windows or  
Unix? This appears to happen on RunRev 2.6.6 and 2.7. This has made  
be REALLY worried about the usage of "me" and in using RunRev in  
general. I can't believe that something as fundamental as the usage  
of "me" doesn't work 100% of the time. I don't have previous versions  
of RunRev in order to check if it *ever* worked.

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave



From mark at maseurope.net  Thu Mar 23 08:56:36 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:56:36 +0000
Subject: Weirdness Passing Messages
In-Reply-To: <97CD65CC-7203-4765-9392-2B5DF92F6032@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<02117863-B837-11DA-BF46-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<97F32A0F-F818-4A02-A0D6-39F8E8E9329F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<3362660E-B915-11DA-B8F4-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<A35AD941-61E2-4D29-994A-06F2BBE38D55@inspiredlogic.com>
	<4CAD5779-B9B9-11DA-8FFE-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<6A75A57F-22E3-4039-A009-50B5093C2980@inspiredlogic.com>
	<EFA7F9AA-B9C6-11DA-8753-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<68403533-585E-4836-A0FF-AD091C027707@dsl.pipex.com>
	<79D9D0FA-2E5A-48CD-B0C9-E8D8F7AA97B5@maseurope.net>
	<30723811-F057-429A-8398-3725651B8159@dsl.pipex.com>
	<6415C794-548A-4070-BF06-08F7C580BA93@maseurope.net>
	<F136722F-6709-499C-8053-D29DECA96E90@dsl.pipex.com>
	<C2764FB8-91E6-4B85-A502-A4DEF1E98AD5@maseurope.net>
	<D90A36CE-E62E-45A0 -87BE-8F659C6D7F7A@maseurope.net>
	<C6014DA3-9132-4276-8127-49FD70C9441F@maseurope.net>
	<9A150932-E022-46F1-B318-2217F5C609E6@dsl.pipex.com>
	<85E01B98-7C0D-44C6-899B-9B1656B6A866@maseurope.net>
	<97CD65CC-7203-4765-9392-2B5DF92F6032@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <40F52AF3-BABA-432C-AEB9-2547076AE8E0@maseurope.net>

On the other hand, given the function below, it might be more  
efficient for the calling handler to do the work, since it already  
knows the the long name and has the data. I mean that if a handler is  
going to send a message to a control, along with some data, it can  
certainly perform whatever actions are required, itself.

> function PutDataIntoMe theLongName,theData
>   do "put theData into " & theLongName
> end PutDataIntoMe


In your original example:

function PutMessage theMessageID

Looks up theMessageID in the Array built in ListenForMessages and  
calls (via a "send" statement) the handler with the name theMessageID  
at the location(s) specified in the data part of the array.

Since putMessage knows the location, and has the data, it can do the  
work itself, avoiding any context issues altogether.

There may be other issues I don't know about, of course, but I'm sure  
you see what I mean.

Mark


On 23 Mar 2006, at 13:03, David Burgun wrote:




From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Thu Mar 23 09:14:53 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:14:53 +0000
Subject: Weirdness Passing Messages
In-Reply-To: <40F52AF3-BABA-432C-AEB9-2547076AE8E0@maseurope.net>
References: <18B4A867-1BEC-4F4D-B86F-A933C07F52E7@lexicall.org>	<119105747897.20060317132013@ahsoftware.net>	<57AB2413-5A41-4E1F-96FE-15D30EC8802F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<212580670.20060319125521@ahsoftware.net>
	<441DEFD3.6090209@chipp.com>
	<D8D8095E-87C6-4E3B-B5E6-4E3D602BFA67@inspiredlogic.com>
	<02117863-B837-11DA-BF46-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<97F32A0F-F818-4A02-A0D6-39F8E8E9329F@inspiredlogic.com>
	<3362660E-B915-11DA-B8F4-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<A35AD941-61E2-4D29-994A-06F2BBE38D55@inspiredlogic.com>
	<4CAD5779-B9B9-11DA-8FFE-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<6A75A57F-22E3-4039-A009-50B5093C2980@inspiredlogic.com>
	<EFA7F9AA-B9C6-11DA-8753-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<68403533-585E-4836-A0FF-AD091C027707@dsl.pipex.com>
	<79D9D0FA-2E5A-48CD-B0C9-E8D8F7AA97B5@maseurope.net>
	<30723811-F057-429A-8398-3725651B8159@dsl.pipex.com>
	<6415C794-548A-4070-BF06-08F7C580BA93@maseurope.net>
	<F136722F-6709-499C-8053-D29DECA96E90@dsl.pipex.com>
	<C2764FB8-91E6-4B85-A502-A4DEF1E98AD5@maseurope.net>
	<D90A36CE-E62E-45A0 -87BE-8F659C6D7F7A@maseurope.net>
	<C6014DA3-9132-4276-8127-49FD70C9441F@maseurope.net>
	<9A150932-E022-46F1-B318-2217F5C609E6@dsl.pipex.com>
	<85E01B98-7C0D-44C6-899B-9B1656B6A866@maseurope.net>
	<97CD65CC-7203-4765-9392-2B5DF92F6032@dsl.pipex.com>
	<40F52AF3-BABA-432C-AEB9-2547076AE8E0@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <53086C26-ADFC-4E9F-B3A0-50C19ECE6A12@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi Mark,

The problem is that this is a General Message passing handler. The  
code I sent you was vastly simplified to demonstrate the problem, in  
reality it's a lot more difficult. This is how it should work:

ListenForMessage is called by lots of objects.
PutMessage sends to all Listening objects.

It is up to the object to use the data it's sent in a manner that  
only the Message Handler of the object can determine. For instance in  
the case in question the real code looks like this:

--
--  Script for ObjectY
--
on MessageName theMessageData
-- theMessageData = CustomProperty "|" RecordKey
   set itemDelimiter to "|"
   put item 1 of theMessageValue into myArrayName
   put item 2 of theMessageValue into myRecordKey
   set itemDelimiter to ","
   put customProperties[myArrayName] of this stack into myArray
   put  myArray[myRecordKey] into myDataRecord
   put item 1 of myDataRecord into me   --*************************
end MessageName

--
--  Script for ObjectZ
--
on MessageName theMessage,theMessageData
-- theMessageData = CustomProperty "|" RecordKey
   set itemDelimiter to "|"
   put item 1 of theMessageValue into myArrayName
   put item 2 of theMessageValue into myRecordKey
   set itemDelimiter to ","
   put customProperties[myArrayName] of this stack into myArray
   put  myArray[myRecordKey] into myDataRecord
   put item 5 of myDataRecord into me  --*************************
end MessageName

If the following is executed:

get PutMessage("MessageName","cpStackArray")

(It sends to ALL listening Objects, the object decides if it should  
do something or not and what to do if so)

The lines marked ************************ are differ in this example.  
In the case of the Real App, there are 15 fields like this, for  
instance one field is an email address. In this case the Handler  
checks to make sure it is a valid email address, and if not sets the  
text color to Red.

I am using this for all kinds of different messages with all kinds of  
different data being passed. Only the receiving object "knows" what  
to do with the data.

Thanks a Lot
All the Best
Dave

On 23 Mar 2006, at 13:56, Mark Smith wrote:

> On the other hand, given the function below, it might be more  
> efficient for the calling handler to do the work, since it already  
> knows the the long name and has the data. I mean that if a handler  
> is going to send a message to a control, along with some data, it  
> can certainly perform whatever actions are required, itself.
>
>> function PutDataIntoMe theLongName,theData
>>   do "put theData into " & theLongName
>> end PutDataIntoMe
>
>
> In your original example:
> function PutMessage theMessageID
>
> Looks up theMessageID in the Array built in ListenForMessages and  
> calls (via a "send" statement) the handler with the name  
> theMessageID at the location(s) specified in the data part of the  
> array.
>
> Since putMessage knows the location, and has the data, it can do  
> the work itself, avoiding any context issues altogether.
>
> There may be other issues I don't know about, of course, but I'm  
> sure you see what I mean.
>
> Mark



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Mar 23 09:16:59 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 06:16:59 -0800
Subject: Weirdness Passing Messages
Message-ID: <4422ADDB.6080800@fourthworld.com>

David Burgun understandably panicked:
> Is this a Bug? If so it a *REALLY* fundamental one! The only way I  
> can thing to get around this problem 100% is to add a function:
> 
> function PutDataIntoMe theLongName,theData
>    do "put theData into " & theLongName
> end PutDataIntoMe
> 
> and use this anytime I want to put data into "me". However, will I  
> need a getter too? 

Many posts expressing much concern and anguish over this.  I understand. 
  I've been there myself, and later learned to lead others through these 
dark woods.  Indeed, madness is to be found here, but beneath the 
madness is a grain of solid ground, and with a little background and 
much practice you'll understand the Zen of "me" to the point that it'll 
become second nature, and you will have long forgetten how much pain and 
confusion it once caused you -- until the next person encounters it and 
you hear their screams. ;)

Let's see if we can shed some light on a dark token:


There is a long-standing ambiguity in xTalks which has resulted in 
confusion and hair-pulling back to HyperCard 1.0:

In most cases, referencing a property of an object returns its value, 
and referencing the object itself returns a reference to itself (such as 
a long ID).

So you would expect that to get the text of a field you would say:

    get the text of me

...and to get its long ID you would say:

    get me

But alas it isn't so.

In order to support the convenience of saying "get field 1" as a way of 
obtaining its contents instead of "get the text of field 1", the 
language has become littered with ambiguity in other contexts as well, 
such as "me".

This prioritizing of convenience over clarity shows up all over the 
place, with things like "me" sometimes referencing to the object and at 
other times referring to its contents.

Check this out:

1. Make a field
2. Set its name to "Test"
3. Type "This is a test" into it
4. Set its lockText to true
5. Put this script in it:

      on mouseUp
          put the target &cr& the long id of the target &cr \
            & me &cr& the long ID of me
      end mouseUp

You'll get a result that looks like this:

      field "Test"
      field id 1003 of card id 1002 of stack "mystack.mc"
      This is a test.
      field id 1003 of card id 1002 of stack "mystack.mc"

It's interesting to note that line 1, the target, contains only the name 
of the object, not the long ID.  If you had two or more objects with the 
same name then using "the target" would fail, no?

Only sometimes.

If you use "the target" while the current script is running, then even 
though the engine tells you "the target" is only the name it behaves as 
though it's using the long ID, only working on the true target.

But if instead you obtain "the target" and store that value for later 
use, if you have two or more objects with the same name you may only be 
able to refer to the lowest-numbered one.   In such a case you'll want 
to get "the long id of the target" instead.


The folks at RunRev Ltd. could remove this ambiguity by requiring 
everyone to access the text property of an object to get its contents, 
leaving things like "me" and "target" for unambiguous object references 
only.

But given HyperTalk's long history, even though it may be a bad habit 
it's a long-established one, and folks would storm the castle walls with 
pitchforks and torches.  I expect to be flamed as a heretic for even 
questioning this.  :)

So for consistency with ambiguities introduced decades ago in HyperCard, 
RunRev has us living in a world of "sometimes", where sometimes a token 
does one thing and sometimes something else.

Given the mental gymnastics I've seen folks go through with this since I 
first started teach xTalks back in '88, I believe that a *formal* study 
of this would show that unambiguously asking people to access properties 
for contents would actually be easier to learn than the current 
ambiguous rules of "sometimes".  But we are where we are, and it's too 
late to turn back now so we just need to find coping mechanisms for it.

In your case, as noted above we find that asking for the long ID of 
either the target or me returns something more akin to what we might expect.

I haven't recreated your setup here, but it I'll be that incorporating 
"the long ID of me" will help.  The one consistency in all of this is 
that no matter what madness either "the target" or "me" produce by 
themselves, when used in conjunction with "the long ID of" you get an 
unambiguous, usable reference.

Let us know if it doesn't solve it for you and we can explore this further.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Mar 23 09:59:27 2006
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 07:59:27 -0700
Subject: Message Box ?
In-Reply-To: <C7C8D182-4900-465E-A505-1DCE64895FB7@byu.edu>
References: <3542723.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<C7C8D182-4900-465E-A505-1DCE64895FB7@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <213EA5AF-0B67-486A-94DD-E37762A9F518@byu.edu>


On Mar 22, 2006, at 4:10 PM, Devin Asay wrote:
>
<snip>

> Then try it again. Chances are it will work this time. If this  
> doesn't fix it, try switching to the multi-line message box and enter:
>
> openFile "myfile.txt"

^^^^^^^^^^^
open file "myfile.txt"   ## oops!

> put the result

Sorry for the confusion.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From rcozens at pon.net  Thu Mar 23 10:30:31 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 07:30:31 -0800
Subject: Keeping windows together on Windows XP
In-Reply-To: <1C1D6C1C-BC32-4D6B-9C10-8E93B2D8D90F@mac.com>
References: <1C1D6C1C-BC32-4D6B-9C10-8E93B2D8D90F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F6C23F3E-BA81-11DA-AB64-0030657E1638@pon.net>


Graham,

> What I would like is to take charge of the whole front of the screen 
> while my app is active - is this possible?

Would setting a backdrop accomplish what you want?

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From rcozens at pon.net  Thu Mar 23 10:30:43 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 07:30:43 -0800
Subject: Automated testing
In-Reply-To: <4421AA9C.2020409@fourthworld.com>
References: <4421AA9C.2020409@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <FDE6142B-BA81-11DA-AB64-0030657E1638@pon.net>


Richard, et al:

> Do any of you do automated testing?  If so, what do you test and how?
>

The SDB Test Client stack that ships with Serendipity Library has an 
automated testing mode, where SDB database commands are called at 
random and a log of the last 25 calls and their results is maintained.  
Before releasing a major change to SDB, I run automated testing in 
single user mode for 24 hours, server & one client for 24 hours, and 
then server and multiple clients for at least another 24 hours.

I have mentioned before that automated testing led me to a bug that 
would have been very hard to find otherwise:

	Command A could be called all day with no problem
	Command B could be called all day with no problem -- so long has 
Command A had not been called.
	Once Command A was called, the next time Command B was called the 
system crashed.

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Thu Mar 23 10:36:17 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:36:17 +0000
Subject: Weirdness Passing Messages
In-Reply-To: <4422ADDB.6080800@fourthworld.com>
References: <4422ADDB.6080800@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <1455E8FD-F17E-4518-9605-E6310E9667DE@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi Richard,

Thanks for helping. I read your post but I am not sure that this  
applies in this case, mainly because I don't understand too much  
about the internals of RunRev!

If you read my post "Terrible RunRev Bug? - Was Weirdness Passing  
Messages" it gives a fuller description of the problem, I will  
outline the basics here and hopefully you will be able to tell me if  
the cause is due to what you describe below or if it's something  
different.

In this case, in the handler in question, "the target" = "me" (they  
are identical), also:

put "ObjectX" into me
set the text of me to "ObjectX"

Both do not work.

The only thing I have found that does work is this:

do "put myData into " & the long name of me

 From what you say below, I can understand why put x into me *may*  
not work, but not why:

set the text of me to x

doesn't work either?

Also, why in the case where the handler is called from one place it  
works but if called from within another Handler  it doesn't!

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave




From chris at carroll-davis.co.uk  Thu Mar 23 11:09:19 2006
From: chris at carroll-davis.co.uk (Chris Carroll-Davis)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:09:19 +0000
Subject: White Flash
Message-ID: <3ECCABA3-31CC-413C-AC23-5FBF0C243B96@carroll-davis.co.uk>

Hello all

Does anyone know a cunning way to prevent a window briefly painting  
white when changing the window decorations??

I'm allowing user to toggle between a "full screen mode" (kiosk-type  
-  with black backdrop, hidden menubar and plain centred window) and  
a "standard" (draggable, minimizeable) window mode.   On OSX, at  
least, (not checked Windows yet) the stack briefly flashes white when  
setting the decorations which is a bit distracting.  Locking/ 
unlocking screen around the "Set decorations..." line doesn't help.

I suspect I'll have to live with it ('cos it's a "system thing") -  
but I do seem to remember in my SC days (heretic! heretic!) there was  
an xcmd called "no flash" or "don'tPaintWhite" or similar.

???

Chris




From jonathandlynch at gmail.com  Thu Mar 23 11:17:19 2006
From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (Jonathan Lynch)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:17:19 -0500
Subject: White Flash
In-Reply-To: <3ECCABA3-31CC-413C-AC23-5FBF0C243B96@carroll-davis.co.uk>
References: <3ECCABA3-31CC-413C-AC23-5FBF0C243B96@carroll-davis.co.uk>
Message-ID: <31e1938c0603230817m35ba6195t34cb761dfbe25072@mail.gmail.com>

Can you move the stack off screen, set the decorations, then lock screen,
then move the stack back on screen, and then unlock the screen?


From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Thu Mar 23 11:24:35 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:24:35 +0000
Subject: Very Very Very Basic Question!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <213EA5AF-0B67-486A-94DD-E37762A9F518@byu.edu>
References: <3542723.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<C7C8D182-4900-465E-A505-1DCE64895FB7@byu.edu>
	<213EA5AF-0B67-486A-94DD-E37762A9F518@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <00BDCE24-E20C-4247-B314-70025721BD6A@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

Should the following lines work 100% of the time, regardless of how  
or where the message handler is called?

on MessageHandler
local myData

set the text of the long name of me to  "XXXXX"
put the text of the long name of me into myData
end MessageHandler

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Mar 23 11:31:42 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:31:42 -0600
Subject: Terrible RunRev Bug? - Was Weirdness Passing Messages
In-Reply-To: <55F7D6CF-3DD4-4F07-BA3E-BDBB8D5078D5@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <10558498.1143073871474.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>	<442278BD.8050002@chipp.com>
	<55F7D6CF-3DD4-4F07-BA3E-BDBB8D5078D5@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <4422CD6E.3020408@hyperactivesw.com>

David Burgun wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I have a problem that first I thought was something that I was doing  
> wrong but now I'm not sure and would like confirmation of how the  
> Context mechanism works in RunRev.

I am almost certain you have not found a "terrible bug" but instead may 
be experiencing a misunderstanding of the message hierarchy and the 
contexts in whch it works.

The deal is, a lot of us are very busy and don't have time to recreate 
your stack or do the experiment to diagnose what the problem is. Your 
description, while extensive, is written in a way that I find difficult 
to follow in a brief reading, so I haven't done much more than skim your 
messages to get a generic idea of what's happening.

It would be very easy to find the problem if you could set up a test 
stack and upload it somewhere. Then I will download it, and maybe others 
will too, and I'll probably be able to pinpoint the problem in a few 
minutes.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Thu Mar 23 11:35:48 2006
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:35:48 -0300
Subject: Pixel Question
Message-ID: <4422CE64.1050200@howsoft.com>

Dear All,

Suppose I have 2 cards in a stack and I am moving the mouse over the top 
card (naturally). I want to know what colour is under the mouse pointer 
in a corresponding position on the 2nd card which is hidden underneath.

I have tried, but so far without success. Any ideas anyone?

Bob



From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Thu Mar 23 11:39:33 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:39:33 +0000
Subject: Terrible RunRev Bug? - Was Weirdness Passing Messages
In-Reply-To: <4422CD6E.3020408@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <10558498.1143073871474.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>	<442278BD.8050002@chipp.com>
	<55F7D6CF-3DD4-4F07-BA3E-BDBB8D5078D5@dsl.pipex.com>
	<4422CD6E.3020408@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <D46471AB-3CCF-4854-B9F1-D891204DFA49@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

The problem in a nutshell is that:

put "xxxxx" into me

or

set the text of me to "xxxxx"

Does not work 100% of the time. Mark Smith has reproduced the same  
problem.

The following seems to work:

set the text of the long name of me to "xxxxx"

or

local myData
put "xxxxx" into myData
do "put myData into " & the long name of me

Seems to work ok. But before I trawl thru loads of objects in loads  
of stacks replacing.

put <something> into me with set the text of the long name of me to  
<something>

and (presumably?)

put me into myData with put the text of the long name of me into myData

It would be nice to know if this would 100% solve the problem  
regardless of where the handler is called from.

Any ideas?

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave

On 23 Mar 2006, at 16:31, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> David Burgun wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> I have a problem that first I thought was something that I was  
>> doing  wrong but now I'm not sure and would like confirmation of  
>> how the  Context mechanism works in RunRev.
>
> I am almost certain you have not found a "terrible bug" but instead  
> may be experiencing a misunderstanding of the message hierarchy and  
> the contexts in whch it works.
>
> The deal is, a lot of us are very busy and don't have time to  
> recreate your stack or do the experiment to diagnose what the  
> problem is. Your description, while extensive, is written in a way  
> that I find difficult to follow in a brief reading, so I haven't  
> done much more than skim your messages to get a generic idea of  
> what's happening.
>
> It would be very easy to find the problem if you could set up a  
> test stack and upload it somewhere. Then I will download it, and  
> maybe others will too, and I'll probably be able to pinpoint the  
> problem in a few minutes.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Mar 23 11:40:30 2006
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:40:30 -0700
Subject: Very Very Very Basic Question!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <00BDCE24-E20C-4247-B314-70025721BD6A@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <3542723.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<C7C8D182-4900-465E-A505-1DCE64895FB7@byu.edu>
	<213EA5AF-0B67-486A-94DD-E37762A9F518@byu.edu>
	<00BDCE24-E20C-4247-B314-70025721BD6A@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <9731DA23-BEE1-454C-87EF-A2D6068DC537@byu.edu>


On Mar 23, 2006, at 9:24 AM, David Burgun wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Should the following lines work 100% of the time, regardless of how  
> or where the message handler is called?
>
> on MessageHandler
> local myData
>
> set the text of the long name of me to  "XXXXX"
> put the text of the long name of me into myData
> end MessageHandler

In this script 'the long name of me' is just like saying 'me'. It  
should work in any object that can contain text; i.e., fields and  
buttons. This should do the same thing:

set the text of me to "XXXXX"
put the text of me into myData

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Mar 23 11:54:01 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 08:54:01 -0800
Subject: Pixel Question
Message-ID: <4422D2A9.6030802@fourthworld.com>

Bob Warren wrote:
> Suppose I have 2 cards in a stack and I am moving the mouse over the top 
> card (naturally). I want to know what colour is under the mouse pointer 
> in a corresponding position on the 2nd card which is hidden underneath.

get the mouseColor

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Thu Mar 23 11:56:48 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:56:48 +0000
Subject: Very Very Very Basic Question!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <9731DA23-BEE1-454C-87EF-A2D6068DC537@byu.edu>
References: <3542723.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<C7C8D182-4900-465E-A505-1DCE64895FB7@byu.edu>
	<213EA5AF-0B67-486A-94DD-E37762A9F518@byu.edu>
	<00BDCE24-E20C-4247-B314-70025721BD6A@dsl.pipex.com>
	<9731DA23-BEE1-454C-87EF-A2D6068DC537@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <56C6C0AA-AB4F-4E94-9C47-958F03AA554F@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

You'd think so, wouldn't you???!!! If *only* that really were the  
case!!!!! If that were so I wouldn't have just wasted the best part  
of 2 days pulling my hair out!

If you'd like to know more read the topic "Re:Weirdness Passing  
Messages" especially the post from Richard Gaskin. Also read  
"Terrible RunRev Bug? - Was Weirdness Passing Messages".

put <something> into me does NOT work 100% of the time.

I have found something that *appears* to work, but I would like to  
know if it is 100% guaranteed to work before I change gods knows how  
many scripts to use: set the text of the long name of me to  "XXXXX".

I just don't want to do this work and then find out it only works  
"sometimes" as is the case with put <something> into me!

All the Best
Dave

On 23 Mar 2006, at 16:40, Devin Asay wrote:

>
> On Mar 23, 2006, at 9:24 AM, David Burgun wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Should the following lines work 100% of the time, regardless of  
>> how or where the message handler is called?
>>
>> on MessageHandler
>> local myData
>>
>> set the text of the long name of me to  "XXXXX"
>> put the text of the long name of me into myData
>> end MessageHandler
>
> In this script 'the long name of me' is just like saying 'me'. It  
> should work in any object that can contain text; i.e., fields and  
> buttons. This should do the same thing:
>
> set the text of me to "XXXXX"
> put the text of me into myData
>
> Devin
>
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Mar 23 11:59:21 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 08:59:21 -0800
Subject: Automated testing
Message-ID: <4422D3E9.3020809@fourthworld.com>

Rob Cozens wrote:
> Richard, et al: 
>> Do any of you do automated testing?  If so, what do you test and how?
> 
> The SDB Test Client stack that ships with Serendipity Library has an 
> automated testing mode, where SDB database commands are called at 
> random and a log of the last 25 calls and their results is maintained.  
> Before releasing a major change to SDB, I run automated testing in 
> single user mode for 24 hours, server & one client for 24 hours, and 
> then server and multiple clients for at least another 24 hours.

Cool stuff.  At Mark Wieder's suggestion I've also been looking at 
Eggplant, which is driven by SenseTalk, an xTalk originally developed 
for NeXT.

Interesting possibilities....

> I have mentioned before that automated testing led me to a bug that 
> would have been very hard to find otherwise:
> 
> 	Command A could be called all day with no problem
> 	Command B could be called all day with no problem -- so long has 
> Command A had not been called.
> 	Once Command A was called, the next time Command B was called the 
> system crashed.

The SDB system or the operating system?

If the latter do you have a recipe posted at Bugzilla?
I try to stay up on crashes so I can avoid them.

I was at a Microsoft Developer Seminar once and the VB product manager 
said something very respectable:

"When working in VB if you have a script error that's your issue, but 
anytime you have a crash that's our issue.  It shouldn't be possible in 
a high-level tool to crash the OS, and we prioritize those issues highly."

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From ljk144 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 23 12:00:56 2006
From: ljk144 at gmail.com (Levi Kendall)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:00:56 -0500
Subject: Paragraph Level Text Formatting
Message-ID: <f4ebb1950603230900i3d1cc9aat6fd1853c2fce2bbc@mail.gmail.com>

Hello again,

Has anyone out there done paragraph level formatting in Rev by some other
method to get around this severe limitation in the software?  I know I've
already asked about this a while back, but I'm curious if anyone has made
any significant progress on having a "useable" workaround.  I'm trying to
figure out if I can use Rev for a couple of major commercial products but
this lack of a basic feature is cripling my ability to use Rev since I need
basic word processing abilities.  Thanks.

-Levi Kendall


From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Mar 23 12:01:37 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:01:37 +0100
Subject: Pixel Question
In-Reply-To: <4422D2A9.6030802@fourthworld.com>
References: <4422D2A9.6030802@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4A8F6265-3EB1-41FA-AAF6-2C79EFE56D69@major-k.de>

Hi Bob and Richard,

> Bob Warren wrote:
>> Suppose I have 2 cards in a stack and I am moving the mouse over  
>> the top card (naturally). I want to know what colour is under the  
>> mouse pointer in a corresponding position on the 2nd card which is  
>> hidden underneath.

sorry this is not possible right out of the box.
"the mousecolor" will only for the "actual" pixel under the cursor.

> Richard G. wrote:
> get the mouseColor

maybe a whiff of sleep wouldn't hurt... ;-)

>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal
>  _______________________________________________________
>  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Mar 23 12:12:36 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:12:36 -0800
Subject: Very Very Very Basic Question!!!!!
Message-ID: <4422D704.2050807@fourthworld.com>

David Burgun wrote:
> Should the following lines work 100% of the time, regardless of how  
> or where the message handler is called?
> 
> on MessageHandler
>   local myData
> 
>   set the text of the long name of me to  "XXXXX"
>   put the text of the long name of me into myData
> end MessageHandler

Works here like this:

Stack "A" is a mainstack, and stack "B" is a substack of "A".  "B" has 
two cards, the second card has a field with the script above in it. 
Stack "A" has a button with this script:

on mouseUp
   send "MessageHandler" to fld "x" of cd 2 of stack "b"
end mouseUp

If I go to cd 1 of stack "B" and then click the button in stack "A", 
when I go back to cd 2 of stack "B" I get "XXXXX" in the field.

Interestingly, if I change the script in the field to this:

    set the text of me to  "XXXXX"

...it fails.

I then reverted the script to the form that works, went to card 1 of 
"B", saved "B", then closed it, and then clicked the button in stack "A" 
again -- opening "B" again and looking at cd 2 showed "XXXXX" in the 
field.  This may be useful since it confirms that you can trigger 
messages and alter properties in stacks that aren't officially open, as 
long as their destroyStack property is false.

So the rule is that as long as you coerce object references derived from 
"me" to the long ID you'll be fine.  In other cases "me" will work as 
expected, but for the reasons outlined in my earlier lengthy post not 
always (thanks, HyperCard team).

As for the second line, since myData is declared locally what do you 
want to do with it?  It's scope suggests that nothing is done with it, 
since it's declared inside the handler and the handler doesn't do 
anything with it before it exits.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Mar 23 12:13:18 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:13:18 -0600
Subject: Terrible RunRev Bug? - Was Weirdness Passing Messages
In-Reply-To: <55F7D6CF-3DD4-4F07-BA3E-BDBB8D5078D5@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <C048334E.383AE%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/23/06 7:55 AM, "David Burgun" <dburgun at dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> I have a problem that first I thought was something that I was doing
> wrong but now I'm not sure and would like confirmation of how the
> Context mechanism works in RunRev.
> 
> I have the following setup:
> 1  StackMain:Card1:ObjectA:mouseUp   - Calls Function
> StackUtil:PutMessage("MessageX")
> 2  StackUtil:PutMessage                             - Calls Handler
> StackMain:Card2:ObjectX:MessageX (via send)

I think this is the problem in a nutshell, David. I've used a number of
other xTalks, and most of them won't allow you to send or trigger messages
in cards other than the one that's currently displayed. They generally have
you lock the screen, go to the card in question, execute the handler, then
return to the card you started from, then unlock the screen.

The fact that Rev allows you to do this is quite honestly a surprise to me.
Personally, I'd recommend moving the function you want to call to something
more accessible, like a stack, library, or backscript.


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Mar 23 12:15:37 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:15:37 -0600
Subject: When closed, does a substack whose destroyStack is true
 remains in memory ?
In-Reply-To: <44229CAA.7090000@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C04833D9.383B2%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/23/06 7:03 AM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> Ken Ray wrote:
>> Well, as I mentioned above, closed substacks are still in memory if the
>> mainstack is, so you could check for the mainstack in "the windows" or in
>> "the stacks" to see if it is in memory.
> 
> Maybe.
> 
> The windows function is documented only to return a list of open stacks.
>   The stacks function would seem to be the better one for testing if
> closed stacks are in memory, but it appears to behave anomalously and
> may not be reliable at this time.
> 
> Try this:
> 
> 1. Make a new mainstack named "AAA"; save it
> 2. Make a substack in that stack file named "BBB"; save it
> 3. Get "the stacks"
> RESULT: two entries for the filename to "AAA" are in the list,
> as we would expect.
> 
> 4. Set the destroyStack of "AAA" to true
> 5. Close "AAA"
> 6. Get "the stacks"
> RESULT: the filename of "AAA" is in the list once, since BBB is still
> open; so far so good

Wow... really? I would have thought that BBB would close to since its
mainstack closed. But whaddya know! :-)

> What am I missing?  In my head this doesn't add up.

What does "the mainstacks" say? I've found that this seems to truly show
what's in memory (or at least, the mainstacks that are in memory)...


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From reball at redshift.com  Thu Mar 23 12:15:00 2006
From: reball at redshift.com (Dr. Robert E. Ball)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:15:00 -0800
Subject: What is whichMenu?
Message-ID: <C0481794.11BB6%reball@redshift.com>

When using the browser pointer, I go to the menubar of my OS X stack, click
on a menu item, e.g. File, and then click on one of the dropdown items in
the menu, e.g. Save in the File menu. In the message watcher, I get

MouseDown  -- I clicked on File
cREVGetsUpdate
MenuPick   -- I clicked on Save
whichMenu

when it works properly. However, on another stack it doesn't work. I only
get

mouseDown
cREVGetsUpdate
menuPick


No whichMenu. ???  I don't know where to look to find out where the problem
is located. I searched the PDF manual and Googoled whichMenu. No luck. Does
anyone know where whichMenu is described?



From chris at carroll-davis.co.uk  Thu Mar 23 12:16:59 2006
From: chris at carroll-davis.co.uk (Chris Carroll-Davis)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:16:59 +0000
Subject: White Flash
In-Reply-To: <31e1938c0603230817m35ba6195t34cb761dfbe25072@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3ECCABA3-31CC-413C-AC23-5FBF0C243B96@carroll-davis.co.uk>
	<31e1938c0603230817m35ba6195t34cb761dfbe25072@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <610D9D71-DBA7-4DE6-855E-2CA5839A0480@carroll-davis.co.uk>

Jonathan -

No.

Good suggestion, but it seems that if the window is visible on the  
screen (whether screen is locked or not) you get the flash.  :-(

And now tried it on Windows - which gives it's own flavour of flash.

I think I'm right in saying that "lock screen" only works within the  
window bounds anyway, so locking the screen then moving the window  
wouldn't visually "freeze" the window anyway.

Pants!

Chris




On 23 Mar 2006, at 16:17, Jonathan Lynch wrote:

> Can you move the stack off screen, set the decorations, then lock  
> screen,
> then move the stack back on screen, and then unlock the screen?
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Mar 23 12:20:20 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:20:20 -0600
Subject: Paragraph Level Text Formatting
In-Reply-To: <f4ebb1950603230900i3d1cc9aat6fd1853c2fce2bbc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C04834F4.383B6%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/23/06 11:00 AM, "Levi Kendall" <ljk144 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello again,
> 
> Has anyone out there done paragraph level formatting in Rev by some other
> method to get around this severe limitation in the software?  I know I've
> already asked about this a while back, but I'm curious if anyone has made
> any significant progress on having a "useable" workaround.  I'm trying to
> figure out if I can use Rev for a couple of major commercial products but
> this lack of a basic feature is cripling my ability to use Rev since I need
> basic word processing abilities.  Thanks.

The only approach that would work would be to create individual fields for
each paragraph behind the scenes and group them together in a group to make
them appear as if they're all in the same field.

A lot of work, and no one has done it AFAIK. I think we're all just waiting
for paragraph-level formatting from RunRev...

;-)

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From rcozens at pon.net  Thu Mar 23 12:20:25 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:20:25 -0800
Subject: Automated testing
In-Reply-To: <4422D3E9.3020809@fourthworld.com>
References: <4422D3E9.3020809@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <511949B5-BA91-11DA-8B4E-0030657E1638@pon.net>

Richard,

>> I have mentioned before that automated testing led me to a bug that 
>> would have been very hard to find otherwise:
>> 	Command A could be called all day with no problem
>> 	Command B could be called all day with no problem -- so long has 
>> Command A had not been called.
>> 	Once Command A was called, the next time Command B was called the 
>> system crashed.
>
> The SDB system or the operating system?
>

SDB database calls, so there was no one to complain to but moi.   I don 
't know how long it would have taken to figure this out in interactive 
testing.

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)




From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Thu Mar 23 12:25:17 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:25:17 +0000
Subject: Terrible RunRev Bug? - Was Weirdness Passing Messages
In-Reply-To: <C048334E.383AE%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C048334E.383AE%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <26AC73FB-3C85-446B-8671-4EC13DE24F50@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

The following form, *seems* to work with the multi-stack setup I have:

set the text of the long name of me to "xxxxx"

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave

On 23 Mar 2006, at 17:13, Ken Ray wrote:

> On 3/23/06 7:55 AM, "David Burgun" <dburgun at dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I have a problem that first I thought was something that I was doing
>> wrong but now I'm not sure and would like confirmation of how the
>> Context mechanism works in RunRev.
>>
>> I have the following setup:
>> 1  StackMain:Card1:ObjectA:mouseUp   - Calls Function
>> StackUtil:PutMessage("MessageX")
>> 2  StackUtil:PutMessage                             - Calls Handler
>> StackMain:Card2:ObjectX:MessageX (via send)
>
> I think this is the problem in a nutshell, David. I've used a  
> number of
> other xTalks, and most of them won't allow you to send or trigger  
> messages
> in cards other than the one that's currently displayed. They  
> generally have
> you lock the screen, go to the card in question, execute the  
> handler, then
> return to the card you started from, then unlock the screen.
>
> The fact that Rev allows you to do this is quite honestly a  
> surprise to me.
> Personally, I'd recommend moving the function you want to call to  
> something
> more accessible, like a stack, library, or backscript.



From europe at ehug.info  Thu Mar 23 12:25:49 2006
From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:25:49 +0100
Subject: White Flash
In-Reply-To: <3ECCABA3-31CC-413C-AC23-5FBF0C243B96@carroll-davis.co.uk>
References: <3ECCABA3-31CC-413C-AC23-5FBF0C243B96@carroll-davis.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4422DA1D.6040504@ehug.info>

What about showing a palette window with a prompt "please 
wait..." then setting the loc of the window behind it to 
off-screen, changing its decorations, showing it behind the 
window with the prompt, and hiding the palette window? Probably, 
it would look best if you removed the title bar from the palette.

Mark

Chris Carroll-Davis wrote:
> Hello all
> 
> Does anyone know a cunning way to prevent a window briefly painting  
> white when changing the window decorations??
> 
> I'm allowing user to toggle between a "full screen mode" (kiosk-type  -  
> with black backdrop, hidden menubar and plain centred window) and  a 
> "standard" (draggable, minimizeable) window mode.   On OSX, at  least, 
> (not checked Windows yet) the stack briefly flashes white when  setting 
> the decorations which is a bit distracting.  Locking/ unlocking screen 
> around the "Set decorations..." line doesn't help.
> 
> I suspect I'll have to live with it ('cos it's a "system thing") -  but 
> I do seem to remember in my SC days (heretic! heretic!) there was  an 
> xcmd called "no flash" or "don'tPaintWhite" or similar.
> 
> ???
> 
> Chris

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From europe at ehug.info  Thu Mar 23 12:27:05 2006
From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:27:05 +0100
Subject: FTP and cross platform issues...
In-Reply-To: <6FCE3FB7-8B4C-4397-8A71-6D23CD726DCD@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <10558498.1143073871474.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>	<4421F22A.2040303@ehug.info>	<0FFCD347-EB22-4E3C-A264-59625B82ECA4@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<6FCE3FB7-8B4C-4397-8A71-6D23CD726DCD@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4422DA69.8010608@ehug.info>

Dave,

Thanks for your mail, I'll reply off-list.

Best,

Mark

Dave Cragg wrote:
> Sorry. My previous post was meant to go directly to Mark. Please  forget 
> you read it. :-) So you won't be disappointed when nothing  appears.
> 
> I should probably  learn how to use e-mail before messing around with  
> libraries.
> 
> Dave

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From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Thu Mar 23 12:27:34 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:27:34 +0000
Subject: Very Very Very Basic Question!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <4422D704.2050807@fourthworld.com>
References: <4422D704.2050807@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <B79BA6C0-FA46-4977-9F6E-29669BEB6C1A@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

> As for the second line, since myData is declared locally what do  
> you want to do with it?  It's scope suggests that nothing is done  
> with it, since it's declared inside the handler and the handler  
> doesn't do anything with it before it exits.

It was just an example, in the real stack I am doing real things with  
the data, see my posts in "	Re: Weirdness Passing Messages"

> Interestingly, if I change the script in the field to this:
>
>    set the text of me to  "XXXXX"

Bingo! Should this work? Is this a bug? I can see (just) that:

put "XXXXX"  into me

may not work, but not the "set the text of me" form?????

I am about to change it (all over the place) to use:

set the text of the long name of me to "XXXXX"

As this *seems* solid.

One more question: Is it better to use "the long id of me" or "the  
long name of me" ???????

Thanks a lot, I really do appreciate you taking the time to look at  
this.

All the Best
Dave

It was just an
On 23 Mar 2006, at 17:12, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> David Burgun wrote:
>> Should the following lines work 100% of the time, regardless of  
>> how  or where the message handler is called?
>> on MessageHandler
>>   local myData
>>   set the text of the long name of me to  "XXXXX"
>>   put the text of the long name of me into myData
>> end MessageHandler
>
> Works here like this:
>
> Stack "A" is a mainstack, and stack "B" is a substack of "A".  "B"  
> has two cards, the second card has a field with the script above in  
> it. Stack "A" has a button with this script:
>
> on mouseUp
>   send "MessageHandler" to fld "x" of cd 2 of stack "b"
> end mouseUp
>
> If I go to cd 1 of stack "B" and then click the button in stack  
> "A", when I go back to cd 2 of stack "B" I get "XXXXX" in the field.
>
> Interestingly, if I change the script in the field to this:
>
>    set the text of me to  "XXXXX"
>
> ...it fails.
>
> I then reverted the script to the form that works, went to card 1  
> of "B", saved "B", then closed it, and then clicked the button in  
> stack "A" again -- opening "B" again and looking at cd 2 showed  
> "XXXXX" in the field.  This may be useful since it confirms that  
> you can trigger messages and alter properties in stacks that aren't  
> officially open, as long as their destroyStack property is false.
>
> So the rule is that as long as you coerce object references derived  
> from "me" to the long ID you'll be fine.  In other cases "me" will  
> work as expected, but for the reasons outlined in my earlier  
> lengthy post not always (thanks, HyperCard team).
>
> As for the second line, since myData is declared locally what do  
> you want to do with it?  It's scope suggests that nothing is done  
> with it, since it's declared inside the handler and the handler  
> doesn't do anything with it before it exits.
>
> --
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Mar 23 12:28:05 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:28:05 -0800
Subject: Weirdness Passing Messages
Message-ID: <4422DAA5.1060002@fourthworld.com>

David Burgun wrote:
>  From what you say below, I can understand why put x into me *may*  
> not work, but not why:
> 
> set the text of me to x
> 
> doesn't work either?

Others may disagree, but I consider that a bug and have filed a report 
on it:

<http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=3418>

If Transcript is to be learnable we must at least expect property 
settings to be consistent.

The "set" command must act like the "set" command, and "me" should 
resolve to the object reference when used in conjunction with "set".

In this case, even if it's an inherited HyperTalk behavior I believe it 
should be updated to be consistent.  The future holds more newcomers 
than old HyperTalkers, and I see no benefit to sacrificing a much larger 
future to adhere to a bad practice used by very few people (if it all) 
in the past.

And there may be no conflict at all in honoring "set" consistently -- 
how did HyperCard handle such cases?


> Also, why in the case where the handler is called from one place it  
> works but if called from within another Handler  it doesn't!

This seems related to the ambiguity of "me": sometimes it refers to the 
object, sometimes to the object's contents.

I'm not sure if this particular case is a bug or an inherited HyperTalk 
"feature" -- maybe Jacque knows?

If this is not how HyperTalk works I would encourage you to create a bug 
report for that one as well.

--
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  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From jonathandlynch at gmail.com  Thu Mar 23 12:32:27 2006
From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (Jonathan Lynch)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:32:27 -0500
Subject: White Flash
In-Reply-To: <4422DA1D.6040504@ehug.info>
References: <3ECCABA3-31CC-413C-AC23-5FBF0C243B96@carroll-davis.co.uk>
	<4422DA1D.6040504@ehug.info>
Message-ID: <31e1938c0603230932y28bc79ejab8467f2e5192049@mail.gmail.com>

Also, what about making the stack invisible, then changing the decorations,
then making it visible again?

You can get even fancier, by creating a new stack whose rect is the screen
rect, containing an image of the screen, then change your stack underneath,
then delete the cover stack.


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Mar 23 12:34:34 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:34:34 -0800
Subject: Pixel Question
Message-ID: <4422DC2A.6070005@fourthworld.com>

Klaus Major wrote:
>> Bob Warren wrote:
>>> Suppose I have 2 cards in a stack and I am moving the mouse over  
>>> the top card (naturally). I want to know what colour is under the  
>>> mouse pointer in a corresponding position on the 2nd card which is  
>>> hidden underneath.
> 
> sorry this is not possible right out of the box.
> "the mousecolor" will only for the "actual" pixel under the cursor.
> 
>> Richard G. wrote:
>> get the mouseColor
> 
> maybe a whiff of sleep wouldn't hurt... ;-)

Yes indeed, I missed" hidden underneath".

The mouseColor works off the screen buffer, so while it works reliably 
for all windows, even the desktop or anything else on screen, it won't 
work on things that can't be seen.

I'll see if I can work out a nap later.... :)
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From livfoss at mac.com  Thu Mar 23 12:42:43 2006
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:42:43 +0100
Subject: Keeping windows together on Windows XP
Message-ID: <49A994C7-0C5D-4FB6-A1C0-4D3AE6579824@mac.com>

On  Thu, 23 Mar 2006 07:30:31 -0800, Rob Cozens <rcozens at pon.net> wrote:

> Graham,
>
>
>> What I would like is to take charge of the whole front of the screen
>> while my app is active - is this possible?
>>
>
> Would setting a backdrop accomplish what you want?

Well, maybe, but when I tried this I ran into a problem on Windows  
where the backdrop turned into an independent process and had to be  
closed with ctrl-alt-delete. I may have been doing something wrong,  
but rather than investigate it I went back to my homegrown backdrop  
which fills all the screen apart from the toolbar/dock area (that's  
what I've been asked to do, not cover the whole screen kiosk-style)  
and always pushes my other stacks to the front every time it gets a  
chance... I will look at backdrop some more.

Thanks for replying

Graham


----------------------------------------
Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Mar 23 12:45:40 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:45:40 -0800
Subject: Very Very Very Basic Question!!!!!
Message-ID: <4422DEC4.3020902@fourthworld.com>

David Burgun wrote:

> One more question: Is it better to use "the long id of me" or "the  
> long name of me" ???????

While the purist will say that a good developer never has two objects 
with the same name, I doubt many of us are so pure. :)

When there are two controls on a card with the same name, or two cards 
in a stack with the same name, the object with the lowest ordinal number 
will be returned, which may or may not be the one you were after.

Long IDs are known to be unique* so they're recommended for absolute 
object references.

> Thanks a lot, I really do appreciate you taking the time to look at  
> this.

Many years ago (before the Web was invented, in the mid-80s) I got a lot 
of help from other programmers via BBSes and such. Then I discovered 
NNTP and a whole new world of help opened up.  Then AOL's HyperCard 
forum opened and Jacque saved my bacon there many a time.

I've had a lot of help over the years from others online.  Just paying 
it forward....

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* While built-in IDs are always unique to a stack, it's possible to 
confuse things if you use the altID property.  That's too lengthy a 
subject to get into here, but as long as you don't use it then long IDs 
will be a trustworthy friend for a lifetime.


From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Thu Mar 23 12:47:51 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:47:51 +0000
Subject: Weirdness Passing Messages
In-Reply-To: <4422DAA5.1060002@fourthworld.com>
References: <4422DAA5.1060002@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <550F8B2F-6BA3-4A6C-8AE5-B2ED58433485@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

Thank you sooooooooooo much, you have no idea of how it felt to be  
trying to sort this out. I really don't know much about the internals  
of RunRev to have a clue as to where to start looking sometimes!

The one thing that REALLY hacks me off is that there is no mention of  
this at all in the documentation that I can find:

 From the 2.6.6 dictionary:

me keyword

Platform support:
Introduced in version 1.0

Equivalent to the object that contains the currently running handler.

set the borderWidth of me to it
put the short ID of me into savedID
put me into myVariable -- puts contents, if me is a container
put me into myVariable -- puts name, if me is not a container

See also: it keyword, target function, target keyword, text property

Description
Use the me keyword within a handler to determine which object's  
script is executing.

Comments:
The me keyword is a reference to the object whose script contains the  
current handler.

If the currently executing handler is in the script of the object  
that received the original message, then me is the same as the object  
whose name is returned by the target function. For example, suppose a  
button script contains a mouseDown handler. The value of the target  
function within that mouseDown handler is the same as the name of me:  
the name of the button.

However, if the mouseDown handler is in the card's script instead of  
the button's, me is not the same as the object specified by the  
target. In this case, me is the card, but the target function returns  
the button's name, because the button is the object that first  
received the mouseDown message.

The me keyword can be used anywhere an object reference is used.

---------------------------------------------------
How hard would it have been to add something like:

the form put <something> into me may not always work depending on  
context. To be safe use the following form:

set the text of the long name of me to <something>

If you would like it to work 100% of the time.

I also checked the PDF file that came with 2.7, no mention of that  
there either!

All I can say is "thanks for nothing RunRev, you just cost me 2 days  
of hair pulling!!!!"

Thanks again
All the Best
Dave




From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Thu Mar 23 13:03:50 2006
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:03:50 +0100
Subject: Pixel Question
References: <4422CE64.1050200@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <4422E301.23DE9CD3@club-internet.fr>



Hi Bob,

> Dear All,
>
> Suppose I have 2 cards in a stack and I am moving the mouse over the top
> card (naturally). I want to know what colour is under the mouse pointer
> in a corresponding position on the 2nd card which is hidden underneath.
>
> I have tried, but so far without success. Any ideas anyone?
>

Here's something I would try (I don't have the time right now though) :
- make a screenshot of the card underneath so that in can be imported
inside an image object (hidden if necessary)
- get the mouse location (x,y coordinates)
- then compute the pixel value of the image using the imagedata property

HTH,
JB



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Mar 23 12:52:33 2006
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:52:33 -0800
Subject: Terrible RunRev Bug? - Was Weirdness Passing Messages
In-Reply-To: <D46471AB-3CCF-4854-B9F1-D891204DFA49@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <C0482061.36943%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, David Burgun wrote:

> The problem in a nutshell is that:
> 
> put "xxxxx" into me
> 
> or
> 
> set the text of me to "xxxxx"
> 
> Does not work 100% of the time. Mark Smith has reproduced the same
> problem.
> ...
> It would be nice to know if this would 100% solve the problem
> regardless of where the handler is called from.


Richard Gaskin already suggested a solution:  use the long ID as opposed to
the long name.

If you create two buttons, both of the same name, they have the same long
name reference:

 answer long name of btn 1 & cr & long name of btn 2


If you use the long ID, they will have unique references:

 answer long ID of btn 1 & cr & long ID of btn 2

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From jonathandlynch at gmail.com  Thu Mar 23 12:57:00 2006
From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (Jonathan Lynch)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:57:00 -0500
Subject: Paragraph Level Text Formatting
In-Reply-To: <C04834F4.383B6%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <f4ebb1950603230900i3d1cc9aat6fd1853c2fce2bbc@mail.gmail.com>
	<C04834F4.383B6%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <31e1938c0603230957o28c0edd5pd3ac828c7274308b@mail.gmail.com>

What is meant by paragraph-level formatting?

Specifically, what things can one not do?


From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Thu Mar 23 13:01:10 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:01:10 +0000
Subject: Terrible RunRev Bug? - Was Weirdness Passing Messages
In-Reply-To: <C0482061.36943%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C0482061.36943%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <29EFC5BF-6952-4678-81B7-DA07AF5B4168@dsl.pipex.com>


On 23 Mar 2006, at 17:52, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Recently, David Burgun wrote:
>
>> The problem in a nutshell is that:
>>
>> put "xxxxx" into me
>>
>> or
>>
>> set the text of me to "xxxxx"
>>
>> Does not work 100% of the time. Mark Smith has reproduced the same
>> problem.
>> ...
>> It would be nice to know if this would 100% solve the problem
>> regardless of where the handler is called from.
>
>
> Richard Gaskin already suggested a solution:  use the long ID as  
> opposed to
> the long name.
>
> If you create two buttons, both of the same name, they have the  
> same long
> name reference:
>
>  answer long name of btn 1 & cr & long name of btn 2
>
>
> If you use the long ID, they will have unique references:
>
>  answer long ID of btn 1 & cr & long ID of btn 2
>
> Regards,

Thanks Scott, all my names are unique, but I will use the long id  
form since it is safer.

Thanks a lot
All the Best




From chris at carroll-davis.co.uk  Thu Mar 23 13:21:10 2006
From: chris at carroll-davis.co.uk (Chris Carroll-Davis)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:21:10 +0000
Subject: White Flash
In-Reply-To: <31e1938c0603230932y28bc79ejab8467f2e5192049@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3ECCABA3-31CC-413C-AC23-5FBF0C243B96@carroll-davis.co.uk>
	<4422DA1D.6040504@ehug.info>
	<31e1938c0603230932y28bc79ejab8467f2e5192049@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A8411787-89F7-4BFE-83F7-BF84DF5BF6E4@carroll-davis.co.uk>

Ah!  Now Jonathan, this would definitely work!  Great lateral  
thinking.  If I get time, I will have a go at this and let you know  
the results.

Chris

> You can get even fancier, by creating a new stack whose rect is the  
> screen
> rect, containing an image of the screen, then change your stack  
> underneath,
> then delete the cover stack.




On 23 Mar 2006, at 17:32, Jonathan Lynch wrote:

> Also, what about making the stack invisible, then changing the  
> decorations,
> then making it visible again?
>
> You can get even fancier, by creating a new stack whose rect is the  
> screen
> rect, containing an image of the screen, then change your stack  
> underneath,
> then delete the cover stack.
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Mar 23 13:26:31 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:26:31 -0800
Subject: Weirdness Passing Messages
Message-ID: <4422E857.3030503@fourthworld.com>

David Burgun wrote:
> Thank you sooooooooooo much, you have no idea of how it felt to be  
> trying to sort this out. I really don't know much about the internals  
> of RunRev to have a clue as to where to start looking sometimes!

That's what this list is for.  Every language has its "gotchas" (Mikey 
was once cataloging the ones for Transcript -- Mikey, still got that URL 
active?).

I remember working with THINK C years ago and finding myself frustrated 
that none of the C examples in Bond's book on externals would compile 
correctly.  "Surely it's me," I thought, and figured I'd learn more 
later and move on to writing other things.

Later I was using Code Warrior and woke up one day to find that Apple 
had changed most of their headers, requiring me (and every other 
developer) to make extensive revisions to our code.

Later on I was talking about my bad luck with C (one of the reasons I 
fell in love all over again with xTalk was the tedium of C) with Mark 
Lucas, perhaps the best C Mac programmer I know, and he said, "Dude, I 
could have saved you a lot of time with Bonds -- none of those examples 
have worked with any compiler for years." :)

Always a new gotcha to discover....


> The one thing that REALLY hacks me off is that there is no mention of  
> this at all in the documentation that I can find:
...
> All I can say is "thanks for nothing RunRev, you just cost me 2 days  
> of hair pulling!!!!"

FWIW you can extend those thanks to Dan Winkler, the designer of the 
"mother tongue", HyperTalk.  A lot of xTalk's most annoying ambiguities 
come from a desire to prioritize flexibility over consistency.

The "sometimes" rules introduced with regard to field references (and 
later extended to any object that can work as a container, such as 
buttons and in Rev images too) comes from HyperTalk.

I agree that there's always room for more thorough discussion in the 
docs, but there are so many combinations one can employ these tokens in 
that I don't think it's humanly possible to document them all.

Your case, frustrating as it's been for you, isn't one I've come across 
before since I started with xTalks in '87.

Now that might be only because I fell into a habit of using long IDs 
early on, and whenever I don't get what I'm looking for in the first try 
I'll use some form of long ID instead and it works so I don't think 
about it beyond that.

That said, the ambiguities with "me" and "target" come up often enough 
that they do warrant special attention in the docs, and I just submitted 
an enhancement request so this doesn't fall off the radar:

<http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=3419>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Thu Mar 23 13:26:21 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:26:21 -0800
Subject: Paragraph Level Text Formatting
In-Reply-To: <31e1938c0603230957o28c0edd5pd3ac828c7274308b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f4ebb1950603230900i3d1cc9aat6fd1853c2fce2bbc@mail.gmail.com>
	<C04834F4.383B6%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<31e1938c0603230957o28c0edd5pd3ac828c7274308b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06230904c048961c1536@[192.168.1.103]>

Paragraph Level Text Formatting :

Each paragraph can be left center right or justified alignment. This 
can't be done in rev. The whole field is justified one way.

Also there are other text features found in MS Word that aren't found 
in the current text engine, I just can't recall. But justification is 
the big one.

>What is meant by paragraph-level formatting?
>
>Specifically, what things can one not do?

-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -


From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Thu Mar 23 13:48:26 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:48:26 +0000
Subject: Weirdness Passing Messages
In-Reply-To: <4422E857.3030503@fourthworld.com>
References: <4422E857.3030503@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <3155655F-C4A7-4D04-82FC-AD64A2CA5176@dsl.pipex.com>


On 23 Mar 2006, at 18:26, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> David Burgun wrote:
>> Thank you sooooooooooo much, you have no idea of how it felt to  
>> be  trying to sort this out. I really don't know much about the  
>> internals  of RunRev to have a clue as to where to start looking  
>> sometimes!
>
> That's what this list is for.  Every language has its  
> "gotchas" (Mikey was once cataloging the ones for Transcript --  
> Mikey, still got that URL active?).
>
> I remember working with THINK C years ago and finding myself  
> frustrated that none of the C examples in Bond's book on externals  
> would compile correctly.  "Surely it's me," I thought, and figured  
> I'd learn more later and move on to writing other things.
>
> Later I was using Code Warrior and woke up one day to find that  
> Apple had changed most of their headers, requiring me (and every  
> other developer) to make extensive revisions to our code.
>
> Later on I was talking about my bad luck with C (one of the reasons  
> I fell in love all over again with xTalk was the tedium of C) with  
> Mark Lucas, perhaps the best C Mac programmer I know, and he said,  
> "Dude, I could have saved you a lot of time with Bonds -- none of  
> those examples have worked with any compiler for years." :)
>
> Always a new gotcha to discover....

Yep! I've been thru something like this too, the difference here that  
springs to mind is that the book you are talking about was written by  
a third party, whereas the problem here is with the makers of the  
product.

The thing is that there are loads of example stacks and examples in  
the documentation that use the form:

put <something> into me

IMO, they should *all* be changed so that they work 100% of the time  
or at least a footnote given stating that it will only work *some* of  
the time!

I'm in the process of changing all my scripts now! I just realized  
that a bug I had in a completely different stack was due to this. I  
worked around the problem another way (using the "openCard" handler  
to re-initialize the objects in question).

Just so I understand this:

in some circumstances; put <something> into me

Result in the object contents being used instead of the reference to  
the object? If this is true, then if the field just happened to  
contain "button 1", would:

put "XXXXX" into me

result in the contents of button 1 being changed?

Thanks a lot
Dave







From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Mar 23 13:49:18 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:49:18 -0800
Subject: Keeping windows together on Windows XP
Message-ID: <4422EDAE.2080009@fourthworld.com>

Graham Samuel wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:40:06 -0800,  Jim Ault <JimAultWins at yahoo.com>
>> Actually, I use the F10 key... tap it twice and Expose will show/ 
>> bring to
>> the front all the windows in the frontmost app.
>>
>> Also, tab-switching by ( cmd-tab, cmd-shift-tab ) which will show  
>> the tab
>> display, then bring you back the the left-most app.
>> 
> Thanks Jim - that's news to me! Maybe I can add it to the  
> instructions for my app... but as Ken points out, we have the problem  
> on OSX too.

There's a completely different approach which may or may not work with 
your app specifically, but maybe worth considering:

Unlike Mac Classic, OS X has interleaved windows like Windows and Linux. 
  In the past we could spread the views into the user's data across 
multiple windows, and on Mac at least we knew those windows would stay 
together in their own layer.  But now the Mac is like the rest of the 
world, suggesting new ways of thinking.

Last year at RevCon West I discussed how one of the projects I'm working 
on (HyperRESEARCH) is migrating from a multi-window interface to a 
single window that uses multiple resizable panels.

This seems consistent with Apple's direction as well:  for most of the 
Mac's history, video editing apps have had one window for previewing the 
video, another for the timeline, and another for clips.  In iMovie, 
these are all in one window, done in adjustable panes.

We see multi-pane UIs everywhere now, in Outlook (where they've been for 
years), Thunderbird, iPhoto, Adobe Lightroom, and more.  Seems I come 
across a new one every week.

In addition to saying goodbye to window interleaving issues, there are 
many other benefits.  For starters, you only need to move one control to 
resize two panes, while you'd have to adjust two separate windows to get 
the same view (and be oh so careful about how you adjust them if you 
don't want them overlapping).  It also makes a cleaner presentation if 
your app supports multiple documents, since each document is in its own 
self-contained window.  And it makes like easier for users who want your 
app to dominate their screen:  they just click one Maximize button 
rather than tinker around with adjusting window rects.

So this year at RevCon West I'll show the result of our conversion of 
the HyperRESEARH UI, and share some code to help create and manage 
multi-pane interfaces (among other things).

Being "stuck" in the beautiful French countryside I would understand if 
you don't make it to RevCon West, but fear not -- I can bring it to Euro 
RevCon in Malta this November and we'll go over it then, and if I get a 
toolkit together before then I can pass it along in the meantime.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Thu Mar 23 13:51:18 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:51:18 -0800
Subject: Syntax Highlighting Routine - Need help
In-Reply-To: <442277D9.4080407@qwest.net>
References: <17B2F545-277B-464C-8D2E-D130687B3DBE@lexicall.org>	<003801c64b65$40ffe4d0$0300000a@makabre>	<F60AC95D-01A7-4091-B7AD-0A244879FCC0@sosmartsoftware.com>	<005401c64b6a$cd78cb20$0300000a@makabre>	<a06110403c04361904c87@[141.89.100.174]>	<014701c64b8f$45d01870$0300000a@makabre>	<17818680-B82B-11DA-B811-0030657E1638@pon.net>	<4422496B.3040806@paraboliclogic.com>
	<442277D9.4080407@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <4422EE26.20400@paraboliclogic.com>

Arthur Urban wrote:
> I'm presuming you have massive speed issues? Well, even if you don't, I 
> was thinking that maybe it would be best if you called SubHighlight in 
> your rawKeyUp handler only for specific key presses like the spacebar or 
> return key. That way you are colorizing only after complete words and 
> lines have been entered. Just a thought, I don't know how exhaustive you 
> need the user feedback to be. :)

Arthur,

Thanks a bunch for responding.  Just reading your response made me think 
(that, and some sleep finally).  While what you suggest sounds great, my 
routine would still make the program suffer, and that's because I'm 
checking the entire document.  Instead, I should only check a chunk 
range that is around where the user is typing, and not the entire document.

Thanks again,
-Garrett


From jonathandlynch at gmail.com  Thu Mar 23 13:57:34 2006
From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (Jonathan Lynch)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:57:34 -0500
Subject: Paragraph Level Text Formatting
In-Reply-To: <p06230904c048961c1536@192.168.1.103>
References: <f4ebb1950603230900i3d1cc9aat6fd1853c2fce2bbc@mail.gmail.com>
	<C04834F4.383B6%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<31e1938c0603230957o28c0edd5pd3ac828c7274308b@mail.gmail.com>
	<p06230904c048961c1536@192.168.1.103>
Message-ID: <31e1938c0603231057r5fa799fu5ff327ea0c46ef8c@mail.gmail.com>

Ah, I have a stack that solves this problem.

It creates series of fields where the formatted text flows through them,
allowing you to wrap around images and the like.


From chris at carroll-davis.co.uk  Thu Mar 23 14:02:41 2006
From: chris at carroll-davis.co.uk (Chris Carroll-Davis)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:02:41 +0000
Subject: White Flash
In-Reply-To: <A8411787-89F7-4BFE-83F7-BF84DF5BF6E4@carroll-davis.co.uk>
References: <3ECCABA3-31CC-413C-AC23-5FBF0C243B96@carroll-davis.co.uk>
	<4422DA1D.6040504@ehug.info>
	<31e1938c0603230932y28bc79ejab8467f2e5192049@mail.gmail.com>
	<A8411787-89F7-4BFE-83F7-BF84DF5BF6E4@carroll-davis.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BACE1EEE-A846-4B50-A56B-ECEC98CA2FA9@carroll-davis.co.uk>

Jonathan -

Couldn't resist giving it a go... It works - perfectly!   Except...  
it's a bit slow.   :-(    Even on my G5 dual proc it takes about 2-3  
seconds.

In this case, I'll have to decide if the visual improvement is worth  
the speed penalty.  But this may well be a useful technique for  
future projects - it could "hide" a multitude of sins!

C


On 23 Mar 2006, at 18:21, Chris Carroll-Davis wrote:

> Ah!  Now Jonathan, this would definitely work!  Great lateral  
> thinking.  If I get time, I will have a go at this and let you know  
> the results.
>
> Chris
>
>> You can get even fancier, by creating a new stack whose rect is  
>> the screen
>> rect, containing an image of the screen, then change your stack  
>> underneath,
>> then delete the cover stack.
>
>
>
>
> On 23 Mar 2006, at 17:32, Jonathan Lynch wrote:
>
>> Also, what about making the stack invisible, then changing the  
>> decorations,
>> then making it visible again?
>>
>> You can get even fancier, by creating a new stack whose rect is  
>> the screen
>> rect, containing an image of the screen, then change your stack  
>> underneath,
>> then delete the cover stack.
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Mar 23 14:09:33 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:09:33 -0600
Subject: Paragraph Level Text Formatting
In-Reply-To: <31e1938c0603231057r5fa799fu5ff327ea0c46ef8c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C0484E8D.383F0%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/23/06 12:57 PM, "Jonathan Lynch" <jonathandlynch at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ah, I have a stack that solves this problem.
> 
> It creates series of fields where the formatted text flows through them,
> allowing you to wrap around images and the like.

If it's not proprietary, could you publish this to RevOnline or RevNet? That
would be a great example for people who might need it...


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Mar 23 14:11:56 2006
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:11:56 -0800
Subject: White Flash
In-Reply-To: <3ECCABA3-31CC-413C-AC23-5FBF0C243B96@carroll-davis.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C04832FC.36971%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Chris Carroll-Davis wrote:

> Does anyone know a cunning way to prevent a window briefly painting
> white when changing the window decorations??

A few things you can try:

1) Set the bottomRight of the window offscreen (like -1000,-1000), do your
changes, and then move the window back to where you want it.  Note that
there is an intermittent bug in window positioning that requires you to
position the window to at least two offscreen locations to make sure the
position "sticks".  I usually do something like this:
 set bottomRight of stack 1 to -1000,-1000
 set bottomRight of stack 1 to -10000,-10000
 set bottomRight of stack 1 to -1000,-1000
Goofy, yes, but it gets around the positioning problem.

2)  If you're using Rev 2.7, try setting the blendLevel of stack itself to
100, do your changes, and then set the blendLevel back to 0.

3) If you're using Rev 2.6 and your stack is Mac-only, you can use Trevor
DeVore's Window external to do a combination of 1 and 2 -- position the
stack offscreen, make changes, set the alpha value of the stack to
transparent, move the stack back, then set the alpha value to opaque.


> I do seem to remember in my SC days (heretic! heretic!) there was
> an xcmd called "no flash" or "don'tPaintWhite" or similar.

I believe this might be the same external that Mark Hanrek wrote while
working with me on RadWindow, the first custom window shape external for SC.
We found the "white flash" annoying and he graciously wrote the WFE (White
Flash Eliminator) external to get around the problem.

Those were fun times.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From Cubist at aol.com  Thu Mar 23 14:19:40 2006
From: Cubist at aol.com (Cubist at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:19:40 EST
Subject: Paragraph Level Text Formatting
Message-ID: <23c.9253b0a.31544ecc@aol.com>

In a message dated 3/23/06 10:27:32 AM, "Jonathan Lynch" 
<jonathandlynch at gmail.com> writes:
>What is meant by paragraph-level formatting?
   The ability to have stuff like margins and first-indent value, vary by 
paragraph. At present, that stuff varies *by FIELD*, not *by PARAGRAPH*; that is, 
you can't have one paragraph in a field using different marginas than the 
rest of the paragraph.
   The obvious solution is for RunRev to upgrade Rev's text-handling 
capabilities. Failing that, the next most obvious solution is to put each paragraph 
into a field of its own, adjusting margins & etc independently, and group all of 
said paragraphs. The former solution is critically dependent on RunRev 
deciding that this problem is high-enough priority to be worth working on; the 
latter solution is *really* messy if you want to be able to handle *input*ting text 
like a word processor, as opposed to just *display*ing text...


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Mar 23 14:26:50 2006
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:26:50 -0700
Subject: What is whichMenu?
In-Reply-To: <C0481794.11BB6%reball@redshift.com>
References: <C0481794.11BB6%reball@redshift.com>
Message-ID: <94E801A3-11E7-4D78-BD72-C3D15778A4FA@byu.edu>


On Mar 23, 2006, at 10:15 AM, Dr. Robert E. Ball wrote:

> When using the browser pointer, I go to the menubar of my OS X  
> stack, click
> on a menu item, e.g. File, and then click on one of the dropdown  
> items in
> the menu, e.g. Save in the File menu. In the message watcher, I get
>
> MouseDown  -- I clicked on File
> cREVGetsUpdate
> MenuPick   -- I clicked on Save
> whichMenu
>
> when it works properly. However, on another stack it doesn't work.  
> I only
> get
>
> mouseDown
> cREVGetsUpdate
> menuPick
>
>
> No whichMenu. ???  I don't know where to look to find out where the  
> problem
> is located. I searched the PDF manual and Googoled whichMenu. No  
> luck. Does
> anyone know where whichMenu is described?

It looks like a passed parameter variable is showing up in the  
message watcher. When you write a menuPick handler you normally want  
to include a parameter variable after the handler name, like this:

on menuPick whichMenu
   switch whichMenu
     case "Open"
       # do open stuff
       break
     case "Quit"
       # do quit stuff
       break
   end switch
end menuPick

The parameter variable holds the name of the menu item that was  
chosen. It can be any valid variable name, but many rev programmers  
use the convention in which parameter variables begin with p, eg.  
pWhich or pTheThingTheyChoseOnTheMenu. You really need to capture  
this passed argument in order to make the menu behave the way you  
want. If it's not captured in a variable then the menuPick handler  
likely will not work.

HTH

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Mar 23 14:31:14 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:31:14 -0800
Subject: Weirdness Passing Messages
Message-ID: <4422F782.9090507@fourthworld.com>

David Burgun wrote:
>> Later on I was talking about my bad luck with C (one of the reasons  
>> I fell in love all over again with xTalk was the tedium of C) with  
>> Mark Lucas, perhaps the best C Mac programmer I know, and he said,  
>> "Dude, I could have saved you a lot of time with Bonds -- none of  
>> those examples have worked with any compiler for years." :)
>>
>> Always a new gotcha to discover....
> 
> Yep! I've been thru something like this too, the difference here that  
> springs to mind is that the book you are talking about was written by  
> a third party, whereas the problem here is with the makers of the  
> product.

You've never programmed with the CarbonLib API, have you? ;)

Bugs, including errors and ommissions in documentation, are not unique 
to Rev.  In fact, offhand I can't think of any programming language or 
operating system API that doesn't have a great many such issues.

> The thing is that there are loads of example stacks and examples in  
> the documentation that use the form:
> 
> put <something> into me
> 
> IMO, they should *all* be changed so that they work 100% of the time  
> or at least a footnote given stating that it will only work *some* of  
> the time!

Code that works works.

What you've discovered is a fairly rare usage in which other people's 
code doesn't work in your specific setup.

I agree it's a bug, but it doesn't mean that other code doesn't work in 
the context it was written for.


> I'm in the process of changing all my scripts now!

"All" may be more work than is necessary.  Things that aren't broken 
probably don't need fixing.

> Just so I understand this:
> 
> in some circumstances; put <something> into me
> 
> Result in the object contents being used instead of the reference to  
> the object? If this is true, then if the field just happened to  
> contain "button 1", would:
> 
> put "XXXXX" into me
> 
> result in the contents of button 1 being changed?

Interesting question -- what happened when you tried it?

I tested it here and neither the button nor the field changed.

It seems your specific circumstance simply exposed a bug in which using 
"me" in a field on a card that isn't opened behaves as expected in all 
respects except actually putting the data into the field.

The ambiguity with "me" and other forms of field references relates more 
to getting data than putting.  With regard to putting our tests in this 
discussion reveal it's less of an ambiguity and more of a simple bug.

Interestingly, if you change your field script to read:

on MessageHandler
   set the text of me to  "xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"
   answer me
end MessageHandler

...the answer dialog displays "xxxxxxxxxxx", even though when you later 
go to that card the field's actual contents appears unchanged.

Tuviah (the former lead engineer) once explained to me that there's a 
lot of work done with initializing fields on open cards that the engine 
doesn't do on unopened cards.   Once in a while this works to your 
advantage:  if you use a field on an unopened card to strip out html to 
obtain the text only, like this:

   set the htmlText of fld 1 of card MyUnopenedCard
   get the text of fld 1 of card MyUnopenedCard

....it's many times faster than doing the same operation on a field on 
an opened card.

But as you've found, there's also a bug there:  fields on unopened cards 
apparently don't get their text set correctly if the "set" command is 
used in the field and the field is the target of a "send" command used 
to trigger this.

That's a lot of very specific conditions which must be met for this 
error to be evident, which is probably why it hasn't been reported before.

If the button script sets the text directly, without relying on "send", 
the text is updated as expected:

     put "xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" into fld 1 of cd 2 of stack "b"

So yes, there's a bug.  But it's such a very specific bug that it's not 
likely to affect many people, and there are two simple workarounds for it:

a) use "the long id of me" instead of simply "me"

b) set the data from the original button script directly rather
    than using "send"

Just the same, for the sake of completeness I've filed a bug report for you:
<http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=3420>

Given the highly specific nature of the bug and that there are at least 
two ways to avoid it, I've marked its Severity rating as "Minor".

Please review the bug report to get a feel for the level of specificity 
which helps the team resolve them, and please post there any other 
reproducible bugs, with recipes, you may find.

Yes, there are no doubt more bugs waiting to be discovered, perhaps some 
less obscure than this one.

HyperCard is often cited by its fans as being "bug free", but a team 
member reports that it shipped with more than 500 known bugs (and an 
knowable number of bugs that hadn't been discovered in testing).

Rev is a much more complex program than HyperCard.  We can expect the 
bugs-per-thousand-lines-of-code to be at least on par, and it may 
actually be lower.

Windows has thousands of known issues, as does OS X.

Welcome to software.  :)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From chris at carroll-davis.co.uk  Thu Mar 23 14:31:36 2006
From: chris at carroll-davis.co.uk (Chris Carroll-Davis)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:31:36 +0000
Subject: White Flash
In-Reply-To: <C04832FC.36971%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C04832FC.36971%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <942FFCF3-FFE4-41AE-89E8-95E858560019@carroll-davis.co.uk>

Scott -

Thanks for the tips.  The real problem is that I want the stack  
visible on screen the whole time!  So Jonathan's crafty trick of  
using a screen grab to fake the window's existence on screen was very  
cunning.

You are right about the external - I remember now.  Back in those  
prehistoric days, the white flash lasted a lot longer than it does  
today.  That external saved my bacon on a number of projects!

Think I'm going to just have to live with this one.

All the best,

Chris


On 23 Mar 2006, at 19:11, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Recently, Chris Carroll-Davis wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know a cunning way to prevent a window briefly painting
>> white when changing the window decorations??
>
> A few things you can try:
>
> 1) Set the bottomRight of the window offscreen (like -1000,-1000),  
> do your
> changes, and then move the window back to where you want it.  Note  
> that
> there is an intermittent bug in window positioning that requires  
> you to
> position the window to at least two offscreen locations to make  
> sure the
> position "sticks".  I usually do something like this:
>  set bottomRight of stack 1 to -1000,-1000
>  set bottomRight of stack 1 to -10000,-10000
>  set bottomRight of stack 1 to -1000,-1000
> Goofy, yes, but it gets around the positioning problem.
>
> 2)  If you're using Rev 2.7, try setting the blendLevel of stack  
> itself to
> 100, do your changes, and then set the blendLevel back to 0.
>
> 3) If you're using Rev 2.6 and your stack is Mac-only, you can use  
> Trevor
> DeVore's Window external to do a combination of 1 and 2 -- position  
> the
> stack offscreen, make changes, set the alpha value of the stack to
> transparent, move the stack back, then set the alpha value to opaque.
>
>
>> I do seem to remember in my SC days (heretic! heretic!) there was
>> an xcmd called "no flash" or "don'tPaintWhite" or similar.
>
> I believe this might be the same external that Mark Hanrek wrote while
> working with me on RadWindow, the first custom window shape  
> external for SC.
> We found the "white flash" annoying and he graciously wrote the WFE  
> (White
> Flash Eliminator) external to get around the problem.
>
> Those were fun times.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
> -----
> E: scott at tactilemedia.com
> W: http://www.tactilemedia.com
>
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From johnpatten at mac.com  Thu Mar 23 14:36:57 2006
From: johnpatten at mac.com (John Patten)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:36:57 -0800
Subject: Ftp and cross platform issues...
Message-ID: <1364814.1143142617794.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>


Thanks to all who replied!

Originally, I was running Rev 2.7 on the XP box. So I went and tried it with 2.6. Still no luck.

I took a look at the WindowsXP firewall settings and it was turned on. Turning off the built in WindowsXP Firewall allowed the ftp stack to work (Ftper)properly. Problem indentified!


I went in and looked at the firewall exceptions and Revolution, Revolution 2.6, and Revolution Engine for Win32 were all programs that were checked as exceptions in the Windows firewall settings.

In terms of active and passive ftp, the WindowsXP box was set for "Use Passive FTP" in the WinXP Advanced Internet configuration panel. I didn't think this could be an issue, since it worked when I disabled the Windows firewall. Not sure how I would check the OSX Server ftp service to verify if it was running in passive or active mode. Maybe something from the cmd line..?

My new question is what Firewall exception needs to be entered in the built in WindowsXP Firewall software to make the FTP stack work, without having to turn the built in Windows Firewall completly off?

Thank you!

John Patten
SUSD




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Message: 21 
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 04:30:21 -0600 
From: Chipp Walters <chipp at chipp.com> 
Subject: Re: FTP and cross platform issues... 
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com> 
Message-ID: <442278BD.8050002 at chipp.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed 

Hi John, 

What version of Rev are you using? If you're on 2.7 and having trouble 
with FTP uploads, I suggest you contact Dave Cragg and get his 2.7 
libURL patch and try it again. I've had some problems with libURL on 2.7 
and FTP and Dave sent me a patch which fixed it. 

best, 

Chipp 



------------------------------ 




From jonathandlynch at gmail.com  Thu Mar 23 14:46:07 2006
From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (Jonathan Lynch)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:46:07 -0500
Subject: Paragraph Level Text Formatting
In-Reply-To: <23c.9253b0a.31544ecc@aol.com>
References: <23c.9253b0a.31544ecc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <31e1938c0603231146w1c863d81p2bdacc5ad6c6829c@mail.gmail.com>

My faerie tale generator stack (still incomplete) handles inputting text
that allows formatted text to flow between fields in a series. The fields
can be shaped however you wish.

I sent it to Ken to check out. If he thinks it worthy, I will post it online
whereever he suggests.


For my uses, it works quite well.


From katir at hindu.org  Thu Mar 23 14:46:09 2006
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:46:09 -1000
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <44189137.4090004@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <20060315180004.23F3082638F@mail.runrev.com>
	<44187281.9030805@fourthworld.com>
	<44189137.4090004@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <62AB3021-A84E-466F-AB9B-892338F1E9B2@hindu.org>

at www.himalayanacademy.com and www.hinduismtoday.com we use *only*  
rev cgi's... and REvo remote clients

But, I have also installed PMwiki which uses PHP.

mod_php is presumably "up  and running" all the time, but the rev  
engine is being loaded on each instance of a cgi being called.  
Nevertheless I can assure you, the Rev CGI "beat the pants off PHP"  
And we have some fairly complex CGI's in Rev, complex in the sense  
that they read templates from disk, replace place holder strings in  
the templates and send the web page back out. It really sparkles...  
while PMwiki, fast relative to other database based wikis, is  
sluggish compared to my Rev CGI's.

FYI: but that is not enough (smile)  we are going to set up a new web  
server in a couple of days, with a dual XEON processor at servePath  
with a 100mbps VPN socket to the switch (where our box is the *only*  
box on the Class C network before the router) and Andre will be  
figuring out how to install Fast_CGI behind Revolution on the new  
box...We can't wait to see how this thing will blaze! We will keep  
you all posted.

I don't know any other language at all but Revolution... so all this  
talk about ajax and stuff is way over my head... maybe that's an  
advantage ifI you already have a Lear Jet, why do you need to know  
how to run a bi-prop?

Hindu Press International is daily generated from the managing  
editor's, work station on, this Rev app builds the daily web pages,  
posts RSS feeds, send out email to the mailing list. I have a remote  
app deployed where voluteers can access the web server, download  
sound files, they do their work, the application uploads transcripts,  
opens the XML file in their browser, sends me and email... I mean  
*why* on earth do you even *want* to use an app inside a browser.  If  
you *need* to access the web, which is not a bad thing.. then just  
send the to the browser to do what browsers do: display HTML: a  
librarian for static resources and leave it there.

We use parsed web page templates (heavy use of SSI's) on all our  
sites and with <! include exec="/cgi-bin/someRev.cgi"> you can do  
some very interesting things. For example, at  
www.himalayanacademy.com the side bar links for any web pages on in  
any area on the web site are dynamically chosen based on the location  
of the web page. It's very cool and utterly simple, because it means  
that our web editors can take one template, use it for any web page  
in any location and he will get the local area navigation  
automatically installed depending on where the web page is placed.

www.himalayanacademy.com/taka/  see the little "archive" iFrame, down  
on the right side of the page. This is another very interesting use  
of Rev...where the CGI installs an interactive "calendar" object (so  
to speak) into the iFrame, dynamically.  it's basically an embedded  
object... and if it were "JAVA" who know where you could go with it.

my point here is similar to Wally's: I'm not a developer, in any  
given day we have a *lot* of other things happening. Somehow with  
Rev, I can build all this in house and RAD stuff without breaking  
your head on small coding issues for days and days. If my manager  
editor comes to me with a small feature request for the Hindu Press  
International app  I built... With transcript it always seems like  
it's a rare day when you cannot solve a problem or figure out how to  
get something done in less than ten minutes... and then keep moving  
forward. meanwhile, every time I open the PHP config files for the   
web wiki, I start to get a headache right away  (smile)... I mean...  
I *can* figure it out...but, it's just like one has to keep groking  
that code all, while  with transcript, you just think and do it.

If Anyone wants  to see our CGI's I would be happy to put them  
somewhere. Because I am not a developer, they could be  easy for  
newbies to re-use. I see a lot of different places not where this  
kind of offering could be posted and one doesn't know which is best.

And last but not least, to affirm Richard's observations with real  
life testimony (I think I posted some of this once before)

>  While only useful in a subset of scenarios, it offers many  
> benefits, esp. for intranets where employers are losing billions in  
> lost productivity by providing open web access to their employees  
> when all they really need is access to specific company- and vendor- 
> specific resources.

*confirmed!*: This week we see another case of the trend.."Away from  
browsers"  We have a xerox Printer copier proofing machine  here and  
Xerox used to deploy a browser based, UI, that users on the LAN would  
open in IE or Firefox (didn't  work in Safari....) to *see* the  
printer across the LAN, the printer is using a truncated linux OS on  
the FIERY.. well that thing was so buggy and broken...

Well guess what? Their reps came by this week to tell us. "Our  
engineers at Xerox abandoned the web based Java UI and we have built  
this cool net enable desktop application called Command  
WorkStation...we got an OSX version and one for Windows...  so now  
you can run your Fiery apps: Color calibration, scanner access,  
printer spool controller etc. all from this desktop application.. oh  
yeah that web based app was horrible, we agree..." I just had to  
smile... as our Revolutionaries have been writing these things for  
over 5 Years now...and REv developers are *perfectly* poised to meet  
this demand...

Similarly, inside Creo's high end Emerge and InSite Pre-press  
framework, (Creo is now owned by Xerox) their engineers are also  
moving toward net enabled desktop apps which are slowly displacing or  
at least complementing, their *incredibly slow!!* Java  based AJAX  
thingies...  tech support at Banta Electronic Pre-Press in Kansas  
City (those guys live on the cutting edge of enterprise collaboration  
tools) singing pretty much the same tune "Oh yeah, Creo had so much  
trouble with  that browser based Synapse Prepare Java framework, time  
wise, it was killing all the pre-press teams and publishers were  
complaining they couldn't afford to have their people falling asleep  
while that stuff loaded in the browser . Your team at Hinduism Today  
loves the bleeding edge... why don't you test Creo's latest Insite  
Remote Desktop client for us... you can download the OSX version  
here.....It's really fast and Creo's engineers  say they love it --  
they don't have to try to make that thing work inside a browser any  
more... what a relief." Oh, "Hello," it's 2006 already... and they  
are just waking up...

"Beyond the Browser"  By Richard Gaskin... 1st draft, 2001 (smile)

Sivakatirswami





On Mar 15, 2006, at 12:12 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> I don't have benchmarks, but Scott Raney once said that the load  
> time of the engine when used as a CGI was "insignificant".



From jonathandlynch at gmail.com  Thu Mar 23 14:49:32 2006
From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (Jonathan Lynch)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:49:32 -0500
Subject: White Flash
In-Reply-To: <942FFCF3-FFE4-41AE-89E8-95E858560019@carroll-davis.co.uk>
References: <C04832FC.36971%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<942FFCF3-FFE4-41AE-89E8-95E858560019@carroll-davis.co.uk>
Message-ID: <31e1938c0603231149ofd0d38t5049b35a6a99d070@mail.gmail.com>

Does this have to be done by setting the decorations?

Can you just resize the stack?


From martyknapp at comcast.net  Thu Mar 23 15:02:57 2006
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:02:57 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <62AB3021-A84E-466F-AB9B-892338F1E9B2@hindu.org>
References: <20060315180004.23F3082638F@mail.runrev.com>	<44187281.9030805@fourthworld.com>	<44189137.4090004@hyperactivesw.com>
	<62AB3021-A84E-466F-AB9B-892338F1E9B2@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <4422FEF1.60802@comcast.net>

Sivakatirswami wrote:
>
> If Anyone wants  to see our CGI's I would be happy to put them 
> somewhere. Because I am not a developer, they could be  easy for 
> newbies to re-use. I see a lot of different places not where this kind 
> of offering could be posted and one doesn't know which is best.
Thanks for sharing what's happening with you - very inspiring. 
Personally, I would love to take a look at what you've put together. I'm 
just in the middle of Jacque's great cgi tutorial and am eager to learn 
all I can about Rev CGIs. I've recently applied for a couple of web 
developer jobs (one at out local university) but a downfall for me is 
that I don't program in Perl or PHP, and can't seem to get motivated to 
do so. It would be great to see Rev become more well know for this 
dimension of its vast capabilities.

Marty Knapp


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Mar 23 15:32:31 2006
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:32:31 -0800
Subject: Pixel Question
In-Reply-To: <4422CE64.1050200@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <C04845DF.369A1%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Bob Warren wrote:

> Suppose I have 2 cards in a stack and I am moving the mouse over the top
> card (naturally). I want to know what colour is under the mouse pointer
> in a corresponding position on the 2nd card which is hidden underneath.

I believe this function will retrieve the pixel color of a pixel in any
image using the X,Y position of the pixel as measured from the topleft of
the image.  Pass the long ID of the image and the X,Y coordinates as
follows:

on mouseUp
  answer retrievePixelColor(long id of myImage,5,5)
end mouseUp


function retrievePixelColor pObj,X,Y
  put imageData of pObj into tData
  put ((Y-1) * width of pObj * 4) + ((X-1)*4) into P
  repeat with N = 2 to 4
    put charToNum(char (P+N) of tData) & "," after tColor
  end repeat
  delete last char of tColor
  return tColor
end retrievePixelColor


Let me know if this works for you.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Thu Mar 23 15:44:28 2006
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:44:28 -0300
Subject: Pixel Question
Message-ID: <442308AC.30000@howsoft.com>

JB wrote:

 >Hi Bob,


 >> Dear All,
 >>
 >> Suppose I have 2 cards in a stack and I am moving the mouse over the top
 >> card (naturally). I want to know what colour is under the mouse pointer
 >> in a corresponding position on the 2nd card which is hidden underneath.
 >>
 >> I have tried, but so far without success. Any ideas anyone?
 >>


 >Here's something I would try (I don't have the time right now though) :
 >- make a screenshot of the card underneath so that in can be imported
 >inside an image object (hidden if necessary)
 >- get the mouse location (x,y coordinates)
 >- then compute the pixel value of the image using the imagedata >property

 >HTH,
 >JB

-----------------------------
Thanks JB!

I have little doubt that the method would work, even without trying it.
I also thought of using imagedata, but I was hoping for a less 
cumbersome solution. It's the "compute" bit that might take up a bit of 
CP time, especially if some mad hatter like me makes the mouse go 
whizzing around the screen! But I see no other alternative at the 
moment, and after all, the proof of the pudding is in the eating, so 
I'll give it a try in practice.

Thanks again, and also to Richard and (wide-awake) Klaus!

Regards to all,
Bob




From davecs1 at verizon.net  Thu Mar 23 15:47:24 2006
From: davecs1 at verizon.net (Dave Calkins 1)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:47:24 -0800
Subject: Paragraph Level Text Formatting :
In-Reply-To: <20060323180008.E22C18260B0@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060323180008.E22C18260B0@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <c4e47e0b798466e5654a1b602eb6dfbc@verizon.net>


This one element severely hampers many different types of applications 
that need these typical and basic text editing features.

bugzilla # 2194

http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2194



> Paragraph Level Text Formatting :
>
> Each paragraph can be left center right or justified alignment. This
> can't be done in rev. The whole field is justified one way.
>
> Also there are other text features found in MS Word that aren't found
> in the current text engine, I just can't recall. But justification is
> the big one.
>
>> What is meant by paragraph-level formatting?
>>
>> Specifically, what things can one not do?
Dave Calkins



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Mar 23 16:06:09 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:06:09 -0600
Subject: Weirdness Passing Messages
In-Reply-To: <3155655F-C4A7-4D04-82FC-AD64A2CA5176@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <4422E857.3030503@fourthworld.com>
	<3155655F-C4A7-4D04-82FC-AD64A2CA5176@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <44230DC1.6090405@hyperactivesw.com>

David Burgun wrote:

> Just so I understand this:
> 
> in some circumstances; put <something> into me
> 
> Result in the object contents being used instead of the reference to  
> the object? If this is true, then if the field just happened to  contain 
> "button 1", would:
> 
> put "XXXXX" into me
> 
> result in the contents of button 1 being changed?

The answer seems to be in the documentation you quoted in another note:

> put me into myVariable -- puts contents, if me is a container
> put me into myVariable -- puts name, if me is not a container 

If it is a container, you get the contents. If it is not a container, 
you get the object name.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Thu Mar 23 16:22:15 2006
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:22:15 +0100
Subject: Pixel Question
References: <C04845DF.369A1%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <44231186.CF1C3BE4@club-internet.fr>


great job Scott.

BTW I didn't know that chartonum also worked on binary data...

JB

> Recently, Bob Warren wrote:
>
> > Suppose I have 2 cards in a stack and I am moving the mouse over the top
> > card (naturally). I want to know what colour is under the mouse pointer
> > in a corresponding position on the 2nd card which is hidden underneath.
>
> I believe this function will retrieve the pixel color of a pixel in any
> image using the X,Y position of the pixel as measured from the topleft of
> the image.  Pass the long ID of the image and the X,Y coordinates as
> follows:
>
> on mouseUp
>   answer retrievePixelColor(long id of myImage,5,5)
> end mouseUp
>
> function retrievePixelColor pObj,X,Y
>   put imageData of pObj into tData
>   put ((Y-1) * width of pObj * 4) + ((X-1)*4) into P
>   repeat with N = 2 to 4
>     put charToNum(char (P+N) of tData) & "," after tColor
>   end repeat
>   delete last char of tColor
>   return tColor
> end retrievePixelColor
>
> Let me know if this works for you.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Mar 23 16:17:05 2006
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:17:05 -0800
Subject: Pixel Question
In-Reply-To: <44231186.CF1C3BE4@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <C0485051.369BB%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, jbv wrote:

>> I believe this function will retrieve the pixel color of a pixel in any
>> image using the X,Y position of the pixel as measured from the topleft of
>> the image.

> great job Scott.

Thanks.  As long as it works.  Most of the thanks go to Ken Ray for the way
cool info about imageData/alphaData on his site.  I'm not a math guy (Jim
Hurley will vouch for that) but after a little head banging I've been able
to grasp the concept.  Sort of.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From dave at crystalpiersw.com  Thu Mar 23 16:18:04 2006
From: dave at crystalpiersw.com (Dave Beck)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:18:04 -0300
Subject: standalone crashing
In-Reply-To: <20060323172413.9B0A7826093@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20060323201544.B533B825FC0@mail.runrev.com>


Thanks Jacqueline.

I looked at that Microsoft Send Error Log dialog and could not find any way
to extract the error logs. Any I missing something? Even Copy and Paste
didn't seem to work. Is there an easy way to save the log to a file?

Also, the stack contains a lot of proprietary technology that I would not
want to release to whoever is on the other end of bugzilla, so I would
definitely not feel comfortable posting a copy of this particular stack.
Where is the bugzilla site so I can at least start a case for this problem?

Thanks,

David

>> PS. I'm happy to have my clients collect the error logs if it would help.

>It always helps, and sometimes is the only clue as to what the problem 
>is. Most of us have found 2.6.1 to be extremely stable, so if you are 
>seeing problems, there is likely a reason specific to that particular 
>stack. Please do bugzilla it, attach a copy of your stack (not the 
>standalone), and every time you get a new log, attach it to the bug 
>report. Crashing problems get top priority.



From davecs1 at verizon.net  Thu Mar 23 15:47:24 2006
From: davecs1 at verizon.net (Dave Calkins 1)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:47:24 -0800
Subject: Paragraph Level Text Formatting :
In-Reply-To: <20060323180008.E22C18260B0@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060323180008.E22C18260B0@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <c4e47e0b798466e5654a1b602eb6dfbc@verizon.net>


This one element severely hampers many different types of applications 
that need these typical and basic text editing features.

bugzilla # 2194

http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2194



> Paragraph Level Text Formatting :
>
> Each paragraph can be left center right or justified alignment. This
> can't be done in rev. The whole field is justified one way.
>
> Also there are other text features found in MS Word that aren't found
> in the current text engine, I just can't recall. But justification is
> the big one.
>
>> What is meant by paragraph-level formatting?
>>
>> Specifically, what things can one not do?
Dave Calkins



From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Mar 23 16:36:47 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:36:47 -0600
Subject: Copy Image to Clipboard broke in 2.7?
Message-ID: <442314EF.3040707@chipp.com>

I just finished created a charting program, which uses the great new 
anti-aliasing in Rev 2.7.

But, now it turns out copying an image to the clipboard is broke as far 
as I can tell.

Anyone have success doing it on a PC? I've tried on various PC's the 
folowing.

copy image "fred"

doesn't work. Try copying and image and then pasting it into MSPaint or 
anywhere else other than Rev.

Then there's:

set the clipboardData["image"] to image "fred"

Still no go.

and the good old standby, which has worked since the Rev 1.0:

on copyToClip pImage
   set the paintCompression to "png"
   lock messages
   lock screen
   choose select tool
   drag from topleft of image pImage to botright of image pImage
   copy
   unlock messages
   unlock screen
   choose browse tool
end copyToClip

(btw, I've tried setting the paintCompression to all other values).

doesn't work either. I have to say, I really like the new features, but 
I'm routing for an update soon!

best,

Chipp


-- 
--------------
Chipp Walters
www.altuit.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Mar 23 17:00:17 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:00:17 -0600
Subject: Weirdness Passing Messages
In-Reply-To: <4422DAA5.1060002@fourthworld.com>
References: <4422DAA5.1060002@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <44231A71.1090702@hyperactivesw.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> David Burgun wrote:
> 
>>  From what you say below, I can understand why put x into me *may*  
>> not work, but not why:
>>
>> set the text of me to x
>>
>> doesn't work either?
> 
> 
> Others may disagree, but I consider that a bug and have filed a report 
> on it:
> 
> <http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=3418>

I agree, there's a problem here. I have now looked at a sample stack 
that David sent me in email.

> 
> If Transcript is to be learnable we must at least expect property 
> settings to be consistent.
> 
> The "set" command must act like the "set" command, and "me" should 
> resolve to the object reference when used in conjunction with "set".

I don't think the problem is with "set". I think it is with the 
interpretation of "me".

> 
> In this case, even if it's an inherited HyperTalk behavior I believe it 
> should be updated to be consistent.  The future holds more newcomers 
> than old HyperTalkers, and I see no benefit to sacrificing a much larger 
> future to adhere to a bad practice used by very few people (if it all) 
> in the past.

There is no problem with HC compatibility; HC acts differently than Rev 
here.

> 
> And there may be no conflict at all in honoring "set" consistently -- 
> how did HyperCard handle such cases?

In HyperCard, you can't use "set the text of" so "set" isn't an issue. 
However, when I made a duplicate stack in HC, and changed the commands 
to "put xxx into me" (for compatibility) HC worked fine. So the problem 
is only in Rev.

> 
> 
>> Also, why in the case where the handler is called from one place it  
>> works but if called from within another Handler  it doesn't!

It isn't clear to me yet, but I suspect it's the way "me" is 
interpreted. "Me" is the object (or contents) of the currently running 
handler, but since the sample stack does a lot of "sends", I believe the 
engine isn't successfully tracking which object is "me". It appears to 
think only the original handler's object is "me", which in a way is true 
because the first object's handler really *is* still running. When you 
specify the long name instead of "me" then the object reference is more 
specific and it works.

This may be due to the fact that, as Richard mentioned, fields on remote 
cards are not initialized; I'm not sure. If that's true, then in this 
case there is no "me" except for the originating object on card 1.

This isn't to say it shouldn't be fixed, only that I can see how it 
would get mucked up. The way the sample scripts are written is fairly 
convoluted; I would never have thought to do the job this way. I suspect 
that is why this problem has never been reported in all these years, 
since as Richard mentioned, it really takes a very specific setup to 
reproduce this problem.

A much better approach would be to move all the handlers into the stack 
script and take advantage of the natural message hierarchy, rather than 
relying on all those "sends".


> 
> This seems related to the ambiguity of "me": sometimes it refers to the 
> object, sometimes to the object's contents.
> 
> I'm not sure if this particular case is a bug or an inherited HyperTalk 
> "feature" -- maybe Jacque knows?

It is not how HC works. HC does what you'd expect.

> If this is not how HyperTalk works I would encourage you to create a bug 
> report for that one as well.



-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Thu Mar 23 17:08:56 2006
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:08:56 -0600
Subject: Custom radio buttons
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060323160716.052fd628@exchange.slg.com>

It is me, or are custom radio buttons (using icons) backwards in Revolution 
2.6 & 2.7?  If I set the icon to anything, the icon appears on the right 
with the label on the left, which is the reverse of what it should be.  If 
I text align to the right, the icon goes on the left with the text right 
aligned on the right, which looks really weird.

Is this a bug?

Peter T. Evensen
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588 



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Mar 23 17:34:58 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:34:58 -0600
Subject: standalone crashing
In-Reply-To: <20060323201544.B533B825FC0@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060323201544.B533B825FC0@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <44232292.5000106@hyperactivesw.com>

Dave Beck wrote:
> Thanks Jacqueline.
> 
> I looked at that Microsoft Send Error Log dialog and could not find any way
> to extract the error logs. Any I missing something? Even Copy and Paste
> didn't seem to work. Is there an easy way to save the log to a file?

I'm not sure. Let's appeal to others -- does anyone know?

> 
> Also, the stack contains a lot of proprietary technology that I would not
> want to release to whoever is on the other end of bugzilla, so I would
> definitely not feel comfortable posting a copy of this particular stack.

I understand, though without a working example it can be hard to 
diagnose and fix, especially since not many others are having the 
problem. If you can think of a way to create a simple stack that 
demonstrates the problem, that would help.

> Where is the bugzilla site so I can at least start a case for this problem?

<http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase>


-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jhonken at x12.info  Thu Mar 23 17:59:28 2006
From: jhonken at x12.info (Jeff Honken)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:59:28 -0700
Subject: Players
Message-ID: <000001c64ecd$73175910$670fa8c0@work1>

Can anyone tell me who has created a Rev player.  I know there's
Revoludens at: http://economy-x-talk.com/ .  Is there any more besides
the one Runrev has?  Jeff






From jhonken at x12.info  Thu Mar 23 18:29:48 2006
From: jhonken at x12.info (Jeff Honken)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:29:48 -0700
Subject: Launch .rev file from .exe
Message-ID: <000601c64ed1$afc17360$670fa8c0@work1>

Is it possible to launch a .rev file from a standalone .exe compiled
from Revolution?  If so what command launches the .rev file.  Jeff




From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Mar 23 18:30:52 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:30:52 -0600
Subject: Players
In-Reply-To: <000001c64ecd$73175910$670fa8c0@work1>
Message-ID: <C0488BCC.38445%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/23/06 4:59 PM, "Jeff Honken" <jhonken at x12.info> wrote:

> Can anyone tell me who has created a Rev player.  I know there's
> Revoludens at: http://economy-x-talk.com/ .  Is there any more besides
> the one Runrev has?  Jeff

There's StackRunner at:

  http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/StackRunner.htm

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Mar 23 18:31:30 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:31:30 -0600
Subject: Launch .rev file from .exe
In-Reply-To: <000601c64ed1$afc17360$670fa8c0@work1>
Message-ID: <C0488BF2.38446%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/23/06 5:29 PM, "Jeff Honken" <jhonken at x12.info> wrote:

> Is it possible to launch a .rev file from a standalone .exe compiled
> from Revolution?  If so what command launches the .rev file.  Jeff

open stack <path to stack>

HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From jhonken at x12.info  Thu Mar 23 18:44:41 2006
From: jhonken at x12.info (Jeff Honken)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:44:41 -0700
Subject: Launch .rev file from .exe
In-Reply-To: <C0488BF2.38446%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <000001c64ed3$c4421950$670fa8c0@work1>

Ken,
  Thanks for the reply.  If my .rev is out on the web I'm assuming I
have to go out and get it before I use the "Open" command.  Do you know
the best way to fetch the file and open it?   I have a small test app
that I'm trying to open and run at: HTTP://www.x12help.com/blank.rev

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ray
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 4:32 PM
To: Use Revolution List
Subject: Re: Launch .rev file from .exe

On 3/23/06 5:29 PM, "Jeff Honken" <jhonken at x12.info> wrote:

> Is it possible to launch a .rev file from a standalone .exe compiled
> from Revolution?  If so what command launches the .rev file.  Jeff

open stack <path to stack>

HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com

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From jeff at siphonophore.com  Thu Mar 23 19:34:55 2006
From: jeff at siphonophore.com (jeffrey reynolds)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:34:55 -0500
Subject: last 2.6x version
In-Reply-To: <20060311002432.78E77826063@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060311002432.78E77826063@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <F412E1A2-CC0D-4B3C-806F-6EE1E41B541A@siphonophore.com>

Hi,

What was the last 2.6 version or rev? was it 2.6.1? i looked on the  
ftp and the last thing there on the rev ftp download was v261. if  
there is a later version where would i look to get a copy of it.

I need to support some apps in os9 so need to stay in 2.6 for this.

thanks

jeff



From martyknapp at comcast.net  Thu Mar 23 19:41:44 2006
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:41:44 -0800
Subject: Launch .rev file from .exe
In-Reply-To: <000001c64ed3$c4421950$670fa8c0@work1>
References: <000001c64ed3$c4421950$670fa8c0@work1>
Message-ID: <44234048.8060405@comcast.net>

Hey Jeff,

If I understand your question, you would use:

go stack URL "HTTP://www.x12help.com/blank.rev"

HTH,
Marty Knapp
> Ken,
>   Thanks for the reply.  If my .rev is out on the web I'm assuming I
> have to go out and get it before I use the "Open" command.  Do you know
> the best way to fetch the file and open it?   I have a small test app
> that I'm trying to open and run at: HTTP://www.x12help.com/blank.rev
>
> Jeff


From bfr at nwlink.com  Thu Mar 23 20:03:35 2006
From: bfr at nwlink.com (Bruce Robertson)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:03:35 -0800
Subject: Revolution in Seattle?
Message-ID: <C0488567.5215A%bfr@nwlink.com>

Got any idea how many Revolution users there might be in the Seattle area?
Or good sources for demonstrations?

At Seattle's Mac user group dBug <http://www.dbug.org> we are giving some
thought to demonstrating Rev at a meeting. I'm trying to find good resources
to support such an activity. 



From jhonken at x12.info  Thu Mar 23 20:10:48 2006
From: jhonken at x12.info (Jeff Honken)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:10:48 -0700
Subject: Launch .rev file from .exe
In-Reply-To: <44234048.8060405@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000501c64edf$c9307ef0$670fa8c0@work1>

Yep.  That worked great.  Is there any way to put a password on a .rev
file so someone else can't modify the file.  I know there is if I save
it to an .exe but can you put a password on a .rev file?  Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Marty
Knapp
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 5:42 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Launch .rev file from .exe

Hey Jeff,

If I understand your question, you would use:

go stack URL "HTTP://www.x12help.com/blank.rev"

HTH,
Marty Knapp
> Ken,
>   Thanks for the reply.  If my .rev is out on the web I'm assuming I
> have to go out and get it before I use the "Open" command.  Do you
know
> the best way to fetch the file and open it?   I have a small test app
> that I'm trying to open and run at: HTTP://www.x12help.com/blank.rev
>
> Jeff
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From martyknapp at comcast.net  Thu Mar 23 20:14:45 2006
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:14:45 -0800
Subject: Revolution in Seattle?
In-Reply-To: <C0488567.5215A%bfr@nwlink.com>
References: <C0488567.5215A%bfr@nwlink.com>
Message-ID: <44234805.6080109@comcast.net>

Hey Bruce,

I'm just north of you in Bellingham and Scott Morrow is in the Custer 
area (between here and the border). I'd be interested to know of other 
Revolution users too.

Marty Knapp
> Got any idea how many Revolution users there might be in the Seattle area?
> Or good sources for demonstrations?
>
> At Seattle's Mac user group dBug <http://www.dbug.org> we are giving some
> thought to demonstrating Rev at a meeting. I'm trying to find good resources
> to support such an activity.
>   


From martyknapp at comcast.net  Thu Mar 23 20:21:52 2006
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:21:52 -0800
Subject: Launch .rev file from .exe
In-Reply-To: <000501c64edf$c9307ef0$670fa8c0@work1>
References: <000501c64edf$c9307ef0$670fa8c0@work1>
Message-ID: <442349B0.3000605@comcast.net>

Jeff,

Sure -  see the docs for password. Also If you don't have Richard 
Gaskin's Devolution, it's a great add-on. I use the Stack Properties 
pallet to set my passwords. Find it at:

<http://fourthworld.com/products/devolution/index.html>

It's free as well!

Marty Knapp
> Yep.  That worked great.  Is there any way to put a password on a .rev
> file so someone else can't modify the file.  I know there is if I save
> it to an .exe but can you put a password on a .rev file?  Jeff
>   


From jmac at consensustech.com  Thu Mar 23 20:24:27 2006
From: jmac at consensustech.com (Jim MacConnell)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:24:27 -0800
Subject: Revolution in Seattle?
In-Reply-To: <C0488567.5215A%bfr@nwlink.com>
References: <C0488567.5215A%bfr@nwlink.com>
Message-ID: <17F017D4-8EDD-471C-91B8-B61FB5CE79EF@consensustech.com>

Bruce,

I live in Seattle but am a casual user/perpetual newbie to Rev. There  
is so much more to Rev than I can address that someone else would  
probably be a better choice to demo it.... . But I'd love to  
participate anyway. Wold this be ab excuseto jump to 2.7? I'm still  
2.2.1'ing it.

Jim


James H. MacConnell

Consensus Technology, LLC
2200 N. 77th St.
Seattle, WA  98103-4928
www.consensustech.com
Tel: 206.524.8555
Fax: 206.524.3034




> Got any idea how many Revolution users there might be in the  
> Seattle area?
> Or good sources for demonstrations?
>
> At Seattle's Mac user group dBug <http://www.dbug.org> we are  
> giving some
> thought to demonstrating Rev at a meeting. I'm trying to find good  
> resources
> to support such an activity.
>
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 23 21:23:17 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:23:17 -0800
Subject: Revolution in Seattle?
In-Reply-To: <17F017D4-8EDD-471C-91B8-B61FB5CE79EF@consensustech.com>
Message-ID: <C0489815.36965%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

I would think that there would be several users on campus downtown.

Adam Engst, publisher of TidBits Newsletter (tidbits.com) might have local
contacts.  He as been a Mac activist (I think, in Seattle) back in the
earliest days.

Also Matt Neuburg <matt at tidbits.com> might be a point of email contact.
Just not sure what he is up to these days.

Just down the road in Portland is a sizeable user group, PMUG, whose web
site is http://www.pmug.org/.  They are very active (about 800 members),
have their own BBS, and do two marvelous special meetings a year at Silver
Falls Park ( http://www.pmug.org/pages/camp.html).

Contacting them might locate some Seattle-based Rev users.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 3/23/06 5:24 PM, "Jim MacConnell" <jmac at consensustech.com> wrote:

> Bruce,
> 
> I live in Seattle but am a casual user/perpetual newbie to Rev. There
> is so much more to Rev than I can address that someone else would
> probably be a better choice to demo it.... . But I'd love to
> participate anyway. Wold this be ab excuseto jump to 2.7? I'm still
> 2.2.1'ing it.
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> James H. MacConnell
> 
> Consensus Technology, LLC
> 2200 N. 77th St.
> Seattle, WA  98103-4928
> www.consensustech.com
> Tel: 206.524.8555
> Fax: 206.524.3034
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Got any idea how many Revolution users there might be in the
>> Seattle area?
>> Or good sources for demonstrations?
>> 
>> At Seattle's Mac user group dBug <http://www.dbug.org> we are
>> giving some
>> thought to demonstrating Rev at a meeting. I'm trying to find good
>> resources
>> to support such an activity.
>> 
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From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Thu Mar 23 22:15:25 2006
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:15:25 -0800
Subject: Revolution in Seattle?
In-Reply-To: <44234805.6080109@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20060324031529.BCAA87F0B5@spatula.dreamhost.com>

With so many people in the Seattle area, what about an semi-regular
Revolution User's Group? If you all are interested in forming one or getting
some demos together for other user groups, send me a message off-list.

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Mar 23 23:02:01 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:02:01 -0800
Subject: FTP and cross platform issues...
In-Reply-To: <44226335.1020400@ehug.info>
References: <10558498.1143073871474.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>
	<4421F22A.2040303@ehug.info>
	<12638766172.20060322210011@ahsoftware.net>
	<44226335.1020400@ehug.info>
Message-ID: <4740525302.20060323200201@ahsoftware.net>

Mark-

Thursday, March 23, 2006, 12:58:29 AM, you wrote:

> Why would you want to use active FTP especially for testing
> purposes? IMHO passive FTP is simpler.

...because you have control over which ports are used and don't have
to worry about whether you've opened a range of ports in your
firewall. It gets worse if routers in between have to route packets
because then you have to open more ports all the way through. Much
easier just to deal with two ports, get that working, and then try
passive mode if you have to.

Also... I used to have a router that would die if someone from the
outside attempted a passive-mode ftp connection. It was configured
properly, it just couldn't do it. I checked the network traffic and
there was a response from my ftp server, but then the router had to be
physically rebooted before it would work again. PITA.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Thu Mar 23 23:19:45 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:19:45 -0800
Subject: Revolution in Seattle?
In-Reply-To: <C0488567.5215A%bfr@nwlink.com>
References: <C0488567.5215A%bfr@nwlink.com>
Message-ID: <44237361.6060000@paraboliclogic.com>

Bruce Robertson wrote:
> Got any idea how many Revolution users there might be in the Seattle area?
> Or good sources for demonstrations?
> 
> At Seattle's Mac user group dBug <http://www.dbug.org> we are giving some
> thought to demonstrating Rev at a meeting. I'm trying to find good resources
> to support such an activity. 

I'm still a newbie really, but have enough of a grasp now that I think I 
could show others the basics about Rev.  But I'm down at American Lake, 
just below Tacoma, next to Fort Lewis.

As long as you provide the computer and Rev on it.  I'd use my laptop, 
but I didn't get the Windows license.  I have it setup as a dual boot 
with a linux distro, and Rev is installed on the linux, but!  Rev is so 
ugly on linux that I'd really prefer not to show people that unless no 
choice.  I'd bring my Mac Mini with Rev on it, but it's just to gosh 
darned pretty sitting right where it's at  :-)

-Garrett


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Mar 23 23:27:53 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:27:53 -0800
Subject: Automated testing
In-Reply-To: <4422D3E9.3020809@fourthworld.com>
References: <4422D3E9.3020809@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <3842077574.20060323202753@ahsoftware.net>

Richard-

Thursday, March 23, 2006, 8:59:21 AM, you wrote:

> I try to stay up on crashes so I can avoid them.

...that explains the lack of sleep...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 23 23:46:28 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:46:28 -0800
Subject: Pixel Question
In-Reply-To: <44231186.CF1C3BE4@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <C048B9A4.36976%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

> great job Scott.
> 
> BTW I didn't know that chartonum also worked on binary data...
> 
> JB

Actually,  it works on the imageData format for representing image pixel
colors in Rev.

from the docs...
Each pixel is represented by 32 bits (4 bytes) of image data, with pixels
numbered from the top left corner of the image, left to right, then top to
bottom. The first byte consists of zeroes, and the last three bytes encode
the amount of red, green, and blue respectively.

Since each pixel is represented by 4 bytes (4 characters), you can obtain
the numeric value of any of the color channels for a given pixel using the
charToNum function. <snip>

>> Scott Rossi
>> I believe this function will retrieve the pixel color of a pixel in any
>> image
                   (that is in the Rev format)!

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 3/23/06 1:22 PM, "jbv" <jbv.silences at club-internet.fr> wrote:


>> Recently, Bob Warren wrote:
>> 
>>> Suppose I have 2 cards in a stack and I am moving the mouse over the top
>>> card (naturally). I want to know what colour is under the mouse pointer
>>> in a corresponding position on the 2nd card which is hidden underneath.
>> 
>> I believe this function will retrieve the pixel color of a pixel in any
>> image using the X,Y position of the pixel as measured from the topleft of
>> the image.  Pass the long ID of the image and the X,Y coordinates as
>> follows:
>> 
>> on mouseUp
>>   answer retrievePixelColor(long id of myImage,5,5)
>> end mouseUp
>> 
>> function retrievePixelColor pObj,X,Y
>>   put imageData of pObj into tData
>>   put ((Y-1) * width of pObj * 4) + ((X-1)*4) into P
>>   repeat with N = 2 to 4
>>     put charToNum(char (P+N) of tData) & "," after tColor
>>   end repeat
>>   delete last char of tColor
>>   return tColor
>> end retrievePixelColor
>> 
>> Let me know if this works for you.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Scott Rossi
>> Creative Director
>> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Thu Mar 23 23:54:57 2006
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 01:54:57 -0300
Subject: Pixel Question
Message-ID: <44237BA1.9010702@howsoft.com>

Recently, Scott Rossi wrote:

 >Recently, Bob Warren wrote:

 >> > Suppose I have 2 cards in a stack and I am moving the mouse over 
the top
 >> > card (naturally). I want to know what colour is under the mouse 
pointer
 >> > in a corresponding position on the 2nd card which is hidden 
underneath.

 >
 > I believe this function will retrieve the pixel color of a pixel in any
 > image using the X,Y position of the pixel as measured from the topleft of
 > the image.  Pass the long ID of the image and the X,Y coordinates as
 > follows:
 >
 > on mouseUp
 >   answer retrievePixelColor(long id of myImage,5,5)
 > end mouseUp
 >
 > function retrievePixelColor pObj,X,Y
 >   put imageData of pObj into tData
 >   put ((Y-1) * width of pObj * 4) + ((X-1)*4) into P
 >   repeat with N = 2 to 4
 >     put charToNum(char (P+N) of tData) & "," after tColor
 >   end repeat
 >   delete last char of tColor
 >   return tColor
 > end retrievePixelColor
 >
 > Let me know if this works for you.
 >
 > Regards,
 >
 > Scott Rossi
 > Creative Director
 > Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design

-------------------------------------------------

Thanks a lot Scott, almost there!

Using a mouseMove routine on the top card such as:-

on mouseMove
   put retrievePixelColor(long id of image "myImage" \
   of card "Card2",the mouseH,the mouseV) into field \
   "ColourRGB" of card "Card1"
end mouseMove

- it works quite nimbly, even on my old Pentium II.

However, there are some slight inaccuracies in the colours reported.
For example:

RED 255,0,0 is reported as 254,0,0
GREEN 0,128,0 is reported as 0,128,1
BLUE 0,0,255 is reported as 0,0,254
YELLOW 255,255,0 is reported as 255,255,1

WHITE 255,255,255 is OK.

Without a better analysis of your function, I cannot see immediately 
what the trouble is. Can you see it Scott?

Regards,
Bob







From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Mar 24 00:06:24 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 23:06:24 -0600
Subject: Custom radio buttons
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20060323160716.052fd628@exchange.slg.com>
Message-ID: <C048DA70.3848D%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/23/06 4:08 PM, "Peter T. Evensen" <pevensen at siboneylg.com> wrote:

> It is me, or are custom radio buttons (using icons) backwards in Revolution
> 2.6 & 2.7?  If I set the icon to anything, the icon appears on the right
> with the label on the left, which is the reverse of what it should be.  If
> I text align to the right, the icon goes on the left with the text right
> aligned on the right, which looks really weird.
> 
> Is this a bug?

No, meaning that if you look at it from the perspective of the text, the
text *is* aligning the way you ask - it's the icon that's aligning the other
way.  Perhaps not what you expect, but not a bug...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Mar 24 00:08:30 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 21:08:30 -0800
Subject: Ftp and cross platform issues...
In-Reply-To: <1364814.1143142617794.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>
References: <1364814.1143142617794.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1844514889.20060323210830@ahsoftware.net>

John-

Thursday, March 23, 2006, 11:36:57 AM, you wrote:

> My new question is what Firewall exception needs to be entered in
> the built in WindowsXP Firewall software to make the FTP stack work,
> without having to turn the built in Windows Firewall completly off?

Well, my opinion, take it or leave it, is that there's no excuse for
having the builtin firewall turned on. That's one of the first things
I check for when I'm troubleshooting a system with network problems.
If your computer is otherwise unprotected on a broadband connection
then I think you're better off with a hardware solution - go spend a
few bucks and get thee behind a router, then configure the firewall
that's built into it.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Mar 24 00:08:46 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 21:08:46 -0800
Subject: MVC in Rev?
In-Reply-To: <442281C8.1080903@wanadoo.fr>
References: <4421B55A.7000801@fourthworld.com> <442281C8.1080903@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <10044530171.20060323210846@ahsoftware.net>

thierry-

Thursday, March 23, 2006, 3:08:56 AM, you wrote:

>      http://atomicobject.com/media/files/PresenterFirst.pdf

..."that file is damaged and cannot be repaired"...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From bfr at nwlink.com  Fri Mar 24 01:04:48 2006
From: bfr at nwlink.com (Bruce Robertson)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:04:48 -0800
Subject: Revolution in Seattle?
In-Reply-To: <C0489815.36965%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C048CC00.521AB%bfr@nwlink.com>

> I would think that there would be several users on campus downtown.
> 
> Adam Engst, publisher of TidBits Newsletter (tidbits.com) might have local
> contacts.  He as been a Mac activist (I think, in Seattle) back in the
> earliest days.

Adam as you probably know is no longer in Seattle, but maybe he still has
contacts who use Rev. At the Macworld 2005 Netter's dinner he asked a lot of
survey questions, some about programming tools. Rev wasn't on the list then
but I mentioned it so he said he would include it now.



From shaosean at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 24 01:24:11 2006
From: shaosean at hotmail.com (Sean Shao)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 01:24:11 -0500
Subject: [OT] Two Announcements
Message-ID: <BAY105-F484794A00E86D6CBEDE17C3DF0@phx.gbl>

First one is from the guy that started Linspire (Lindows) 
www.michaelrobertson.com and it's about Web-based applications.. The first 
one they've released is a Word Processor. They claim that they will be 
releasing new programs every Wednesday. They only work in Firefox though.

Second one is from me.  I LOVE MY iPOD!!!  =)

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From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Fri Mar 24 01:52:14 2006
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:52:14 -0800
Subject: Revolution in Seattle?
In-Reply-To: <44234805.6080109@comcast.net>
References: <C0488567.5215A%bfr@nwlink.com> <44234805.6080109@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <A0FF3069-BB55-4FED-B29F-F058170B9888@elementarysoftware.com>

Actually, Marty, I just work in Custer...  I'm a Bellinghamster like  
you.  And  I'd be game for getting together in Seattle with some  
other "local" RevHeads.

-Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust !)
web     http://elementarysoftware.com/
email   scott at elementarysoftware.com

-----------------------------------------------------------------

On Mar 23, 2006, at 5:14 PM, Marty Knapp wrote:

> Hey Bruce,
>
> I'm just north of you in Bellingham and Scott Morrow is in the  
> Custer area (between here and the border). I'd be interested to  
> know of other Revolution users too.
>
> Marty Knapp

On Mar 23, 2006, at 7:15 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:
> With so many people in the Seattle area, what about an semi-regular
> Revolution User's Group? If you all are interested in forming one  
> or getting
> some demos together for other user groups, send me a message off-list.
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Lynn Fredricks
> Worldwide Business Operations
> Runtime Revolution, Ltd




From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 24 01:58:33 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:58:33 -0800
Subject: Revolution in Seattle?
In-Reply-To: <A0FF3069-BB55-4FED-B29F-F058170B9888@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <C048D899.36985%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

I wonder if there are any of your local school districts that have Rev
interests?  Are there any places to make announcements?



On 3/23/06 10:52 PM, "Scott Morrow" <scott at elementarysoftware.com> wrote:

> Actually, Marty, I just work in Custer...  I'm a Bellinghamster like
> you.  And  I'd be game for getting together in Seattle with some
> other "local" RevHeads.
> 
> -Scott Morrow
> 
> Elementary Software
> (Now with 20% less chalk dust !)
> web     http://elementarysoftware.com/
> email   scott at elementarysoftware.com
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> On Mar 23, 2006, at 5:14 PM, Marty Knapp wrote:
> 
>> Hey Bruce,
>> 
>> I'm just north of you in Bellingham and Scott Morrow is in the
>> Custer area (between here and the border). I'd be interested to
>> know of other Revolution users too.
>> 
>> Marty Knapp
> 
> On Mar 23, 2006, at 7:15 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:
>> With so many people in the Seattle area, what about an semi-regular
>> Revolution User's Group? If you all are interested in forming one
>> or getting
>> some demos together for other user groups, send me a message off-list.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> 
>> Lynn Fredricks
>> Worldwide Business Operations
>> Runtime Revolution, Ltd
> 
> 
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
> preferences:
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From psahores at easynet.fr  Fri Mar 24 03:22:39 2006
From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:22:39 +0100
Subject: rev sockets driven apps...
In-Reply-To: <0C084AB5-C185-4050-814A-B7DD0B2FF718@rpsystems.net>
References: <11BE276F-4034-4045-A3B3-301D9DFA4302@easynet.fr>
	<0C084AB5-C185-4050-814A-B7DD0B2FF718@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <3ECEA2E2-360C-4FB8-8127-18A2CD3DD2F6@easynet.fr>

Hi Troy,

Le 23 mars 06 ? 03:26, Troy Rollins a ?crit :

>
> On Mar 15, 2006, at 4:41 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
>
>> Gohead and don't hesite about more details, if that can help ;-)
>>
>>> Perhaps could you have a look at this link and binded example app
>>> material : it's a short resume of the way i'm running Rev TCP
>>> sockets application's servers under Linux and OSX since 1998. Don't
>>> hesite to ask for more closely explaintions.
>>>
>>> <http://istream.homeunix.com/insead/index_en.html>
>
> Hi Pierre,
>
> I've finally had a chance to review the documents above. That is  
> very cool stuff, but leaves me wondering... if what I want is a  
> socket server, why do I need apache and php? I don't have any need  
> of web pages or html, strictly socket communications. Is there some  
> other advantage that I am missing, or are we really talking about  
> two different things?

Yes ;)

Because Apache, PHP or PostgreSQL are natively working in  
multiprocessing mode, any time you stick a Rev application in betwin  
them, this Rev app will be "coached" by those three other components  
in "multiprocess mode" even if Rev (monoprocess able only) will not  
have to deal by it-self about multiprocessing. In practice, Rev just  
have to care about replying to the Apache-PHP requests it receive and  
the queries order is fully managed by Apache-PHP when Rev is acting  
as the httpd client app and by PostgreSQL when Rev is acting as the  
PostgreSQL application server app.

The main advantage is that this way make us sure that Rev has just to  
do its own job (run transcript code) without having to manage any  
multiprocessing or multithreading queue tasks. On both sides of the  
Rev app, Apache-PHP and the SQL deamon are full handling this for Rev.

So, even if you just want to use Rev to run "text" containts (instead  
of html) trough TCP sockets, it's always a rock-solid solution to  
have Apache running in front in your Rev "server".

Second : with the PHP sockets listener running in betwin Apache and  
Rev, the socket translation betwin "Apache:80" and "Rev:what you  
want" is always a very good solution to make sure that your Rev app  
is 100% unbindable from the intenet outside world. Only Apache is  
authorised to speak to it : in about the task of the security of your  
"n-tier" app, this can realy do matter...

Best,
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Troy
> RPSystems, Ltd.
> http://www.rpsystems.net
>
>
>

--
Pierre Sahores
www.sahores-conseil.com




From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Mar 24 03:50:41 2006
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:50:41 +0000
Subject: Ftp and cross platform issues...
In-Reply-To: <1844514889.20060323210830@ahsoftware.net>
References: <1364814.1143142617794.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>
	<1844514889.20060323210830@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4423B2E1.1000103@tweedly.net>

Mark Wieder wrote:

>John-
>
>Thursday, March 23, 2006, 11:36:57 AM, you wrote:
>
>  
>
>>My new question is what Firewall exception needs to be entered in
>>the built in WindowsXP Firewall software to make the FTP stack work,
>>without having to turn the built in Windows Firewall completly off?
>>    
>>
>
>Well, my opinion, take it or leave it, is that there's no excuse for
>having the builtin firewall turned on. 
>
"No excuse" ?
What would you do with a laptop that sometimes gets used on public 
networks (e.g. Internet cafes, public wifi nets, etc.)?

I keep Win-XP Firewall on most of the time, and disable it temporarily 
when I have a problem and if it is safe to do so. If I have (e.g. Rev 
FTP problems) while using an unsafe network, I find another way to do it.

(Plea - auto-updating stacks *should* provide a way to download the 
update to somewhere local and up date from there, please. Not only does 
it help with this problem, but also helps if you have multiple machines 
and a slow network connection - e.g. when your DSL is down, and you are 
using your fall-back dial-up connection).

>That's one of the first things
>I check for when I'm troubleshooting a system with network problems.
>If your computer is otherwise unprotected on a broadband connection
>then I think you're better off with a hardware solution - go spend a
>few bucks and get thee behind a router, then configure the firewall
>that's built into it.
>
>  
>
I generally agree - but I do think there are some circumstances where a 
built-in firewall is required.


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From a.calloway at callowaygreen.com  Fri Mar 24 04:28:12 2006
From: a.calloway at callowaygreen.com (Andy Calloway)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:28:12 -0000
Subject: Setting up a team...
Message-ID: <004c01c64f25$45a085d0$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>

At the moment we do websites and that's it. However, we've recently been
bidding for bigger and bigger jobs that although the customer thinks "hey,
that'd be cool on a browser", I think that their users (internal that is)
would feel far happier with a client application. So, as the Tech director
of the company, it's my job to source the best method of doing these things.
 
Now, I got RunRev as a hobby thing. I like programming and I like the
challenge of new stuff, and this seemed a good toy to take me away from the
humdrum of office life (busman's holiday I know, but us geeks are like
that). However while I'm sat in a meeting the other day listening to some
requirements, it hit me like a bolt that RunRev could do all and more of
what was required.
 
So, totally hypothetical at the moment, but let's say we decided to write
some stuff in RunRev. We've got a small dev team of three PHP programmers
and although they may find it fun, we really don't want them to take their
eye off the ball. So I have a dilemma. Do I go looking for a RunRev
programmer, do I freelance our requirements or do I take someone on and
train them in the art of Transcript?
 
Open discussion really, what would you do?
 
Andy.


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 24 05:01:00 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 02:01:00 -0800
Subject: Setting up a team...
In-Reply-To: <004c01c64f25$45a085d0$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>
Message-ID: <C049035C.369A0%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/24/06 1:28 AM, "Andy Calloway" <a.calloway at callowaygreen.com> wrote:
<snip>
>Do I go looking for a RunRev
> programmer, do I freelance our requirements or do I take someone on and
> train them in the art of Transcript?
>  

You may have the best luck hiring a consultant who is very experienced in
PHP to come in and go through a few meetings, then give you set of
recommendations.  This would be a couple days of his time, and maybe a bit
of travel, but your idea seems to be a strong departure in your business
model, and worth valuable investigation.

 The reason for the PHP background is that there would be no language
barrier.

A world-class consultant is worth his weight in gold.  I know, because I
just had a 2 hour consult with one in early Feb, and my business will be
reaping the rewards for the next few years.  He was able to confirm some of
our conclusions, dash many of them, then put forth several nuggets that led
us in highly productive directions.

Less than 4 weeks later we saw results in the bottom line!

PS  Don't forget about some of the developed products by people on this
list, such as altBrowser by Altuit, and work by Fourth World, etc.  The Rev
site has a list of consultants.  Appropriately, I am not on that list since
I only develop Rev tools for my own business use.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 3/24/06 1:28 AM, "Andy Calloway" <a.calloway at callowaygreen.com> wrote:

> At the moment we do websites and that's it. However, we've recently been
> bidding for bigger and bigger jobs that although the customer thinks "hey,
> that'd be cool on a browser", I think that their users (internal that is)
> would feel far happier with a client application. So, as the Tech director
> of the company, it's my job to source the best method of doing these things.
>  
> Now, I got RunRev as a hobby thing. I like programming and I like the
> challenge of new stuff, and this seemed a good toy to take me away from the
> humdrum of office life (busman's holiday I know, but us geeks are like
> that). However while I'm sat in a meeting the other day listening to some
> requirements, it hit me like a bolt that RunRev could do all and more of
> what was required.
>  
> So, totally hypothetical at the moment, but let's say we decided to write
> some stuff in RunRev. We've got a small dev team of three PHP programmers
> and although they may find it fun, we really don't want them to take their
> eye off the ball. So I have a dilemma. Do I go looking for a RunRev
> programmer, do I freelance our requirements or do I take someone on and
> train them in the art of Transcript?
>  
> Open discussion really, what would you do?
>  
> Andy.
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
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From europe at ehug.info  Fri Mar 24 06:01:43 2006
From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:01:43 +0100
Subject: last 2.6x version
In-Reply-To: <F412E1A2-CC0D-4B3C-806F-6EE1E41B541A@siphonophore.com>
References: <20060311002432.78E77826063@mail.runrev.com>
	<F412E1A2-CC0D-4B3C-806F-6EE1E41B541A@siphonophore.com>
Message-ID: <4423D197.1070101@ehug.info>

Jeff,

Yes, 2.6.1 is the last 2.6.x version of Revolution for Mac OS 9. 
Just  warning: this version doesn't seem to work in Mac OS 8.6 
and earlier.

Rev 2.7 is not available for Mac OS 9. If you want to continue 
developing for Classic Mac OS, I'd send an e-mail to support and 
request for a Classic engine that is compatible with Rev 2.7 and 
later.

Best,

Mark


jeffrey reynolds wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> What was the last 2.6 version or rev? was it 2.6.1? i looked on the  ftp 
> and the last thing there on the rev ftp download was v261. if  there is 
> a later version where would i look to get a copy of it.
> 
> I need to support some apps in os9 so need to stay in 2.6 for this.
> 
> thanks
> 
> jeff
> 
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From europe at ehug.info  Fri Mar 24 06:28:49 2006
From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:28:49 +0100
Subject: Copy Image to Clipboard broke in 2.7?
In-Reply-To: <442314EF.3040707@chipp.com>
References: <442314EF.3040707@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <4423D7F1.3040001@ehug.info>

Hi Chipp,

on copyToClip pImage
   export image pImage to myImg as PNG
   set the clipboardData["image"] to myImg
end copyToClip

Best,

Mark


Chipp Walters wrote:
> I just finished created a charting program, which uses the great new 
> anti-aliasing in Rev 2.7.
> 
> But, now it turns out copying an image to the clipboard is broke as far 
> as I can tell.
> 
> Anyone have success doing it on a PC? I've tried on various PC's the 
> folowing.
> 
> copy image "fred"
> 
> doesn't work. Try copying and image and then pasting it into MSPaint or 
> anywhere else other than Rev.
> 
> Then there's:
> 
> set the clipboardData["image"] to image "fred"
> 
> Still no go.
> 
> and the good old standby, which has worked since the Rev 1.0:
> 
> on copyToClip pImage
>   set the paintCompression to "png"
>   lock messages
>   lock screen
>   choose select tool
>   drag from topleft of image pImage to botright of image pImage
>   copy
>   unlock messages
>   unlock screen
>   choose browse tool
> end copyToClip
> 
> (btw, I've tried setting the paintCompression to all other values).
> 
> doesn't work either. I have to say, I really like the new features, but 
> I'm routing for an update soon!
> 
> best,
> 
> Chipp
> 
> 

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From liamlambert at mac.com  Fri Mar 24 07:19:03 2006
From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:19:03 +0000
Subject: UpDate Db
Message-ID: <03A57755-A68E-4049-BDD4-B6A26F7DA725@mac.com>

I want to up date a column in a sqlLite db
the column is called ticket the table is called Booking
I want to update the column with the word YES

I have tried

put  "ticket" into tTicket

     put "'" & cleanSQL (field tTicket) & "'" & "," after tRowBooking

   delete last char of tRowBooking

   put " UPDATE Booking set (ticket) = 'yes' where bookingID =  
tBookingID"  & \
       " VALUES(null," & tRowBooking & ")" into tSQLbooking

   put revdb_execute(gConID,tSQLbooking) into tTmp
   handleRevDBerror tTmp
   if the result is not empty then
     answer warning the result
     exit mouseUP
   end if

Liam Lambert
liamlambert at mac.com
IRELAND




From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Fri Mar 24 07:21:20 2006
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:21:20 +0000
Subject: somewhat OT : Rev cgi & Safari
In-Reply-To: <4422840C.A174B348@club-internet.fr>
References: <4422840C.A174B348@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <3C418A66-CE1E-47DD-881C-7BB23221364D@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 23 Mar 2006, at 11:18, jbv wrote:

> Hi list,
>
> I'm using Rev cgi and have a problem debugging a script :
> it's a (rather) complex subscription page to a website, with
> a sophisticated form and javascript functions, and on the server
> side a cgi with a mySQL connection.
> Everything works fine except for 1 version of Safari. The agent
> information for that version is :
> Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; fr-fr) AppleWebKit/312.8
> (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/312.6
>
> in short, some elements of the HTML form are skipped when the
> user clicks the submit button...
> And to make things even more difficult (to reproduce and correct
> the bug, or find a workaround), this seems to happen only
> sporadically; i mean that using that specific version of Safari
> doesn't systematically lead to the bug...

Coming late to this.

Are you sure the problem is with Safari and not at the CGI end? When  
you say some elements of the form are being skipped, what appears at  
the CGI end? Are some arbitrary form elements missing, or is it that  
the posted data is truncated? (I'm assuming the form is using POST  
and not GET. If not, you can ignore this?)

If it appears that the data is truncated, it may be the reading of  
the data in the CGI that is the problem. There is a known issue  
concerning reading from stdin in a cgi script if you just do this:

      read from stdin for $CONTENT_LENGTH

To be sure you get all the data, you need to do something like this:

       put empty into tBuf
       repeat while length(tBuf) < $CONTENT_LENGTH
         read from stdin for $CONTENT_LENGTH
         put it after tBuf
       end repeat

If you know all this, my apologies. But just in case you're looking  
in the wrong place.

Cheers
Dave




From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Fri Mar 24 07:49:07 2006
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:49:07 +0100
Subject: somewhat OT : Rev cgi & Safari
References: <4422840C.A174B348@club-internet.fr>
	<3C418A66-CE1E-47DD-881C-7BB23221364D@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4423EABB.7B9666D0@club-internet.fr>



Dave,

Thanks for your reply, but yes, I'm sure the problem is with Safari only
(and more specifically with a previous version of Safari)...

On the cgi end I'm using the solution you describe since 2001 or so
(when it was posted by Andu Kovac on the MC list AFAIR) and never
had any form data truncated using a POST method...

And finally I'm sure that some form elements are skipped bacause data
that are supposed to be (for instance) in elements 8 and 9 finally appear
in elements 5 and 6...

Thanks anyway,
JB

>
> Coming late to this.
>
> Are you sure the problem is with Safari and not at the CGI end? When
> you say some elements of the form are being skipped, what appears at
> the CGI end? Are some arbitrary form elements missing, or is it that
> the posted data is truncated? (I'm assuming the form is using POST
> and not GET. If not, you can ignore this?)
>
> If it appears that the data is truncated, it may be the reading of
> the data in the CGI that is the problem. There is a known issue
> concerning reading from stdin in a cgi script if you just do this:
>
>       read from stdin for $CONTENT_LENGTH
>
> To be sure you get all the data, you need to do something like this:
>
>        put empty into tBuf
>        repeat while length(tBuf) < $CONTENT_LENGTH
>          read from stdin for $CONTENT_LENGTH
>          put it after tBuf
>        end repeat
>
> If you know all this, my apologies. But just in case you're looking
> in the wrong place.
>
> Cheers
> Dave
>
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From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Fri Mar 24 07:36:03 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:36:03 +0000
Subject: Weirdness Passing Messages
In-Reply-To: <44231A71.1090702@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4422DAA5.1060002@fourthworld.com>
	<44231A71.1090702@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <83A930F0-8E55-4AA9-9356-4AD8E2FFF61A@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi All,

On 23 Mar 2006, at 22:00, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> This isn't to say it shouldn't be fixed, only that I can see how it  
> would get mucked up. The way the sample scripts are written is  
> fairly convoluted; I would never have thought to do the job this  
> way. I suspect that is why this problem has never been reported in  
> all these years, since as Richard mentioned, it really takes a very  
> specific setup to reproduce this problem.
>
> A much better approach would be to move all the handlers into the  
> stack script and take advantage of the natural message hierarchy,  
> rather than relying on all those "sends".

This is how I used to do it and the problem with that is that you  
need to change a lot of scripts etc. in order to build a new app or  
to extend an existing app. What I am trying to achieve is the ability  
to "drop" groups into a stack (via paste) and have them just work  
with no code fiddling! You just saw a demo of the problem not the  
real app. I have developed a message passing library stack that  
allows this to happen. Since I was going do donate this stack to  
RevOnline once I have tested and improved it, I thought I'd explain  
how it works and what I am hoping to achieve now (since we are on the  
subject!) so as to get some input and ideas.

I have a Stack called "StackISM"  (Inter-Stack Messaging), this is  
accessed from the main stack by use of the "start using" statement.

When a Stack instantiates "StackISM" the initialization routine (in  
StackISM) walks thru the objects (all objects in all cards) of the  
calling stack looking for a Handler called "ISM_Initialize", if found  
it calls it.

The "ISM_initialize" handler in the object of the calling stack does  
any object specific initialization and may then call  
"ISM_ListenForMessages(theMessageID)" if it wants to receive message  
of type "theMessageID". It may call "ISM_ListenForMessages" multiple  
times, once for each message it wants to receive.

When an event happens in an object (e.g. mouseUp in a button) that  
needs action to be performed by other objects, "ISM_PutMessage 
(theMessageID,theSubCode,theMessageData)" is called. This will send a  
message(s) to all "listening" objects.

As a "real" example of this in action, take the following case. I  
have a simple Group that just gets a Folder from the user. The  
intention is that the folder will be used as a base by other groups/ 
objects. I have another Group that lists the files in a folder in a  
field, and yet another group that does something with a file selected  
in the "File List" Group.

Here's how it works:

GroupFolder: ISM_Initialize - Sets the Folder to empty and calls  
ISM_PutMessage("ISM_FolderSelected", kFolderKind, FolderPathName  
[empty])

GroupFolder:ButtonChooseFolder:mouseUp - Gets the folder selected by  
the user and calls ISM_PutMessage("ISM_FolderSelected", kFolderKind,  
FolderPathName)

GroupFiles:FieldFileList: ISM_Initialize - calls "ISM_LIstenForMessage 
("ISM_FolderSelected", kFolderKind)

GroupFiles:FieldFileList: ISM_FolderSelected(theMessageID,  
theMessageKind, theFolderPathName) - Gets a list of the files in the  
specified folder and puts them into "me" (hence the problem that  
started this thread!).

GroupFiles:FieldFileList:mouseUp - Gets line selected  (file name)  
from "me" and then calls ISM_PutMessage("ISM_FileSelected",  
kFileKind, FileName)

GroupProcessFile:FieldFileContents: ISM_Initialize - calls  
"ISM_LIstenForMessage("ISM_FileSelected", kFileKind)

GroupProcessFile:FieldFileContents: ISM_FileSelected(theMessageID,  
theMessageKind, theFilePathName) - Put the contents of the file into  
"me".

This is the basic mode of operation, I will do some better  
documentation when I release it to RevOnline.

Incidentally, the above works  just fine regardless of the stack/card/ 
object using "put <something> into me". The problem I described  
yesterday was brought to light because when a new folder is selected,  
I wanted to select the first line (file) in the list, so inside  
ISM_FolderSelect(), I did a ISMPutMessage("ISM_FileSelected,  
kFileKind, line 1 of me), when this happened, "me" in the receiving  
handler got Beswick'ed!

The really good thing about this is, say I wanted to extended this  
app, so it had two base folders (maybe to to give a list of the files  
in two folders and then compare them) and two file lists. All I need  
do is to paste GroupFolder twice and GroupFiles twice and change a  
custom property in the second folder and second file Group and hey  
presto it works! No changing object names! No fiddling around duping  
scripts!

The custom property of each object contains the "kind", this is used  
to identify the origin of the Message and Message Listeners only get  
the "kind" they are listening for!

Although this may be thought of as convoluted at the atomic level, if  
you take a system-wide view of it, it's really much less convoluted  
than doing it using separate scripts in a lots of different objects  
and hard-coding object names.

All the Best
Dave



















From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Fri Mar 24 07:52:19 2006
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:52:19 +0100
Subject: Pixel Question
References: <C048B9A4.36976%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4423EB7B.6DBD1BEC@club-internet.fr>



> > great job Scott.
> >
> > BTW I didn't know that chartonum also worked on binary data...
> >
> > JB
>
> Actually,  it works on the imageData format for representing image pixel
> colors in Rev.
>

that's a good thing to know...
so far, when manipulating imageData, I used binaryDecode and baseConvert...
using chartonum is much easier...

JB



From wouter.abraham at scarlet.be  Fri Mar 24 07:39:34 2006
From: wouter.abraham at scarlet.be (Wouter)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:39:34 +0100
Subject: MVC in Rev?
In-Reply-To: <10044530171.20060323210846@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4421B55A.7000801@fourthworld.com> <442281C8.1080903@wanadoo.fr>
	<10044530171.20060323210846@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <CF110AEF-998A-400E-B2F6-DE23C89E8764@scarlet.be>

On 24 Mar 2006, at 06:08, Mark Wieder wrote:

> thierry-
>
> Thursday, March 23, 2006, 3:08:56 AM, you wrote:
>
>>      http://atomicobject.com/media/files/PresenterFirst.pdf
>
> ..."that file is damaged and cannot be repaired"...


Not sure, it opens up nicely in Safari.


> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net


Greetings,
Wouter


From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Fri Mar 24 08:36:55 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:36:55 +0000
Subject: Correct Syntax???!!!
In-Reply-To: <4423EB7B.6DBD1BEC@club-internet.fr>
References: <C048B9A4.36976%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<4423EB7B.6DBD1BEC@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <E320CC11-7537-49AA-AB5B-6C19160667F9@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

I am trying to get the following to compile:

set line 1 of the text of the long id of me to item 2 of myDataRecord

I've tried a few different variations but can't seem to find the  
right one!

Help!!!!

Thanks a lot
Dave



From mark at maseurope.net  Fri Mar 24 08:58:28 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:58:28 +0000
Subject: Correct Syntax???!!!
In-Reply-To: <E320CC11-7537-49AA-AB5B-6C19160667F9@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <C048B9A4.36976%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<4423EB7B.6DBD1BEC@club-internet.fr>
	<E320CC11-7537-49AA-AB5B-6C19160667F9@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <DDAD08EF-461D-40D6-BE86-007EDE7A49AF@maseurope.net>

Since the text is a property of the object, I don't think you can set  
chunks of it...so you'll probably have to get it it first:

put the text of the long id of me into temp
put item 2 of myDataRecord into line 1 of temp
set the text of the long id of me to temp


Mark

On 24 Mar 2006, at 13:36, David Burgun wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am trying to get the following to compile:
>
> set line 1 of the text of the long id of me to item 2 of myDataRecord
>
> I've tried a few different variations but can't seem to find the  
> right one!
>
> Help!!!!
>
> Thanks a lot
> Dave
>
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From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Fri Mar 24 08:59:31 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:59:31 +0000
Subject: RevMail Command - Sending an Email
In-Reply-To: <CF110AEF-998A-400E-B2F6-DE23C89E8764@scarlet.be>
References: <4421B55A.7000801@fourthworld.com> <442281C8.1080903@wanadoo.fr>
	<10044530171.20060323210846@ahsoftware.net>
	<CF110AEF-998A-400E-B2F6-DE23C89E8764@scarlet.be>
Message-ID: <479A01AF-2D36-43B0-B390-22014C89E258@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

I would like to be able to send an email using RunRev, I looked at  
the revMail command which does 99% of the job, however I would like  
to actually send the message, not just have it created. Is there any  
way to do this? It must work on MacOS X and Windows XP.

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave



From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Fri Mar 24 09:14:37 2006
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:14:37 +0100
Subject: Correct Syntax???!!!
References: <C048B9A4.36976%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<4423EB7B.6DBD1BEC@club-internet.fr>
	<E320CC11-7537-49AA-AB5B-6C19160667F9@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <4423FECA.1CAF81BB@club-internet.fr>



David,

I'm not sure about what you are trying to do, but have you tried :
set line 1 of me to item 2 of myDataRecord

OTOH if you are trying to get the long ID of an element and change
parts of this text, I think you need to put it into a variable first :
    get the long id of me
    put item 2 of myDataRecord into line 1 of it

JB

> Hi,
>
> I am trying to get the following to compile:
>
> set line 1 of the text of the long id of me to item 2 of myDataRecord
>
> I've tried a few different variations but can't seem to find the
> right one!
>
> Help!!!!
>



From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Fri Mar 24 09:02:16 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:02:16 +0000
Subject: Correct Syntax???!!!
In-Reply-To: <DDAD08EF-461D-40D6-BE86-007EDE7A49AF@maseurope.net>
References: <C048B9A4.36976%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<4423EB7B.6DBD1BEC@club-internet.fr>
	<E320CC11-7537-49AA-AB5B-6C19160667F9@dsl.pipex.com>
	<DDAD08EF-461D-40D6-BE86-007EDE7A49AF@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <586EA2D5-0483-4CDF-A818-0AD6D1BD2C1E@dsl.pipex.com>

Thanks Mark, I was just about coming to that conclusion myself!

I did this:

delete item 1 of myDataRecord
replaceText(myDataRecord,",",cr)
set the text of the long id of me to myDataRecord

All the Best
Dave

On 24 Mar 2006, at 13:58, Mark Smith wrote:

> Since the text is a property of the object, I don't think you can  
> set chunks of it...so you'll probably have to get it it first:
>
> put the text of the long id of me into temp
> put item 2 of myDataRecord into line 1 of temp
> set the text of the long id of me to temp
>
>
> Mark
>
> On 24 Mar 2006, at 13:36, David Burgun wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am trying to get the following to compile:
>>
>> set line 1 of the text of the long id of me to item 2 of myDataRecord
>>
>> I've tried a few different variations but can't seem to find the  
>> right one!
>>
>> Help!!!!
>>
>> Thanks a lot
>> Dave
>>
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From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Fri Mar 24 09:03:14 2006
From: FlexibleLearning at aol.com (FlexibleLearning at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:03:14 EST
Subject: Correct Syntax???!!! 
Message-ID: <2d2.58416e7.31555622@aol.com>

 
put item 2 of myDataRecord into line 1 of me
 

/H  


>I am trying to get the following to compile:
>set line 1  of the text of the long id of me to item 2 of myDataRecord
>I've tried a  few different variations but can't seem to find the  
>right  one!



From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Fri Mar 24 09:05:42 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:05:42 +0000
Subject: Correct Syntax???!!!
In-Reply-To: <4423FECA.1CAF81BB@club-internet.fr>
References: <C048B9A4.36976%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<4423EB7B.6DBD1BEC@club-internet.fr>
	<E320CC11-7537-49AA-AB5B-6C19160667F9@dsl.pipex.com>
	<4423FECA.1CAF81BB@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <F15B915D-FCC8-40C7-8453-576DBE49394B@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

It used to read:

put item 2 of myDataRecord into me

But I have had to change it because the use of:

put <something> into  me
     or
set the text of me to <something>

Is not 100% reliable - see thread entitled "Weirdness Passing  
Messages" if you would like more details.

All the Best
Dave

On 24 Mar 2006, at 14:14, jbv wrote:

>
>
> David,
>
> I'm not sure about what you are trying to do, but have you tried :
> set line 1 of me to item 2 of myDataRecord
>
> OTOH if you are trying to get the long ID of an element and change
> parts of this text, I think you need to put it into a variable first :
>     get the long id of me
>     put item 2 of myDataRecord into line 1 of it
>
> JB
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am trying to get the following to compile:
>>
>> set line 1 of the text of the long id of me to item 2 of myDataRecord
>>
>> I've tried a few different variations but can't seem to find the
>> right one!
>>
>> Help!!!!
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
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From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Fri Mar 24 09:24:42 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:24:42 +0000
Subject: Correct Syntax???!!! 
In-Reply-To: <2d2.58416e7.31555622@aol.com>
References: <2d2.58416e7.31555622@aol.com>
Message-ID: <45C03B66-EEDF-45CC-AAF1-2328DD48D9D2@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

It used to read:

put item 2 of myDataRecord into me

But I have had to change it because the use of:

put <something> into  me
     or
set the text of me to <something>

Is not 100% reliable - see thread entitled "Weirdness Passing  
Messages" if you would like more details.

All the Best
Dave


On 24 Mar 2006, at 14:03, FlexibleLearning at aol.com wrote:

>
> put item 2 of myDataRecord into line 1 of me
>
>
> /H
>
>
>> I am trying to get the following to compile:
>> set line 1  of the text of the long id of me to item 2 of  
>> myDataRecord
>> I've tried a  few different variations but can't seem to find the
>> right  one!
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From shaosean at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 24 09:49:56 2006
From: shaosean at hotmail.com (Sean Shao)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:49:56 -0500
Subject: RevMail Command - Sending an Email
In-Reply-To: <20060324125657.3E7978263E1@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BAY105-F3295BFB261C8182E3603A3C3DF0@phx.gbl>

This questions gets asked a lot David that I really wish that Rev would just 
put it into the IDE/engine instead of the current method that they use (or 
have both, choices are always good).

Take a look at one of the following Rev libraries that should be completely 
cross-platform:

- "libSmtp 2.5.3" by me < www.shaosean.tk > in the libraries section
- "SMTPlibrary" by Sarah Troz < http://www.troz.net/Rev/libraries.html >

Chipp has also made a wrapper library for my library that makes it a bit 
easier to use, but limits the functionality..

-Sean

_________________________________________________________________
Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! 
http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/



From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Fri Mar 24 09:56:22 2006
From: FlexibleLearning at aol.com (FlexibleLearning at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:56:22 EST
Subject: [TIDBIT] googleMatch()
Message-ID: <240.92dbc65.31556296@aol.com>

I wrote this to provide a "search as you type" filter field with  
google-style pattern matching:
 
+ means it has to be included
- means it must not be included
quotes means the whole phrase.
 
e.g. DOG +LEAD -CAT "REAL LEATHER"
 
Maybe you will find it useful. Optimization welcome!
 
on rawkeyup
  put me into tPattern
  repeat for each line L in fld "myDataList"
    if googleMatch(tPattern,L) then put L&cr after  tStdOut
  end repeat
  put char 1 to -2 of tStdOut into fld "searchResult"
end rawkeyup
 
function googleMatch tPattern,tTxt
# NOTE: To match a + or -, use  ++ or +-, or -+ or --
repeat for each word W in  tPattern
if W="+" or W="-" then return  TRUE
if (char 1 of W is quoteAND char -1 of W is quote)  then put char 2 to -2 of 
W into W
if ("-" is char 1 of W)  and (char 2 to -1 of W is in tTxt) then return FALSE
if  ("-" is char 1 of W) and (char 2 to -1 of W is NOT in tTxt) then next  
repeat
if ("+" is char 1 of W) and (char 2 to -1 of W is  NOT in tTxt) then return 
FALSE
if ("+" is char 1 of W) and  (char 2 to -1 of W is in tTxt) then next repeat
if W is in  tTxt then next repeat
else return FALSE
end  repeat
return TRUE
end googleMatch
 
/H


From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Fri Mar 24 10:02:02 2006
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:02:02 -0600
Subject: Custom radio buttons
In-Reply-To: <C048DA70.3848D%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060323160716.052fd628@exchange.slg.com>
	<C048DA70.3848D%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060324085956.0667be10@exchange.slg.com>

To me it is a bug.  The standard is  (  ) Text, but there is NO way to get 
Rev to do this.  If  the text alignment is left, you get:

Text                ( )

If you set the alignment to right, you get:

(  )               Text

Neither of which matches a native radio button, so you cannot make a 
standard-looking custom radio button.

I was just wondering if I was doing something.

At 11:06 PM 3/23/2006, you wrote:
>On 3/23/06 4:08 PM, "Peter T. Evensen" <pevensen at siboneylg.com> wrote:
>
> > It is me, or are custom radio buttons (using icons) backwards in Revolution
> > 2.6 & 2.7?  If I set the icon to anything, the icon appears on the right
> > with the label on the left, which is the reverse of what it should be.  If
> > I text align to the right, the icon goes on the left with the text right
> > aligned on the right, which looks really weird.
> >
> > Is this a bug?
>
>No, meaning that if you look at it from the perspective of the text, the
>text *is* aligning the way you ask - it's the icon that's aligning the other
>way.  Perhaps not what you expect, but not a bug...

Peter T. Evensen
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588 



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Mar 24 10:38:15 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:38:15 -0600
Subject: last 2.6x version
In-Reply-To: <F412E1A2-CC0D-4B3C-806F-6EE1E41B541A@siphonophore.com>
References: <20060311002432.78E77826063@mail.runrev.com>
	<F412E1A2-CC0D-4B3C-806F-6EE1E41B541A@siphonophore.com>
Message-ID: <44241267.4020804@hyperactivesw.com>

jeffrey reynolds wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> What was the last 2.6 version or rev? was it 2.6.1? i looked on the  ftp 
> and the last thing there on the rev ftp download was v261. if  there is 
> a later version where would i look to get a copy of it.
> 
> I need to support some apps in os9 so need to stay in 2.6 for this.

Yes, 2.6.1 is the last of the 2.6 releases. So that's the one you want.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Fri Mar 24 11:02:21 2006
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:02:21 -0300
Subject: Pixel Question
Message-ID: <4424180D.4000009@howsoft.com>

Scott:

I am happy to say that your function appears to be OK, and not slightly 
inaccurate as I reported. I don't know what happened because I certainly 
checked the image's colour values in Photoshop before making the 
comparison. However, as a result of what you said below, I went back to 
Photoshop and checked the values again, and lo-and-behold, the values 
were then exactly the same as those reported by your function! Anyway, I 
reduced the colour-depth of the picture and re-saved it as PNG this time 
(rather than JPG). The RGB values reported by the function were then 
exactly the same as those given by Photoshop.

Sorry for the confusion, and thanks again for the help.

Regards,
Bob

--------------------------------------------
Scott Rossi wrote:

Recently, Bob Warren wrote:

 >> Using a mouseMove routine on the top card such as:-
 >>
 >> on mouseMove
 >>  put retrievePixelColor(long id of image "myImage" \
 >>  of card "Card2",the mouseH,the mouseV) into field \
 >>  "ColourRGB" of card "Card1"
 >> end mouseMove
 >>
 >> - it works quite nimbly, even on my old Pentium II.
 >>
 >> However, there are some slight inaccuracies in the colours reported.
 >> For example:
 >>
 >> RED 255,0,0 is reported as 254,0,0
 >> GREEN 0,128,0 is reported as 0,128,1
 >> BLUE 0,0,255 is reported as 0,0,254
 >> YELLOW 255,255,0 is reported as 255,255,1
 >>
 >> WHITE 255,255,255 is OK.
 >>
 >> Without a better analysis of your function, I cannot see immediately
 >> what the trouble is. Can you see it Scott?


 >Well, the function pulls the color directly from the imagedata 
 >contained in
 >the image -- it doesn't do any manipulation, only reporting.  How are >you
 >gauging the accuracy of the color values?  The mouseColor?  In my 
experience
 >the mouseColor is sometimes off.  Have you scaled the image at all?  I 
 >would
 >suggest opening your image in an image editor (Photoshop or similar) >and
 >measuring your colors there for reference.  You also might want to
 >doublecheck that you're measuring position correctly from the topleft 
 >of the
 >image.  That's about all I can think of -- I can also take a look at >your
 >image.

 >Let us know what you find out.

 >Regards,

 >Scott Rossi







From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Fri Mar 24 11:03:31 2006
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:03:31 +0200
Subject: UpDate Db
In-Reply-To: <03A57755-A68E-4049-BDD4-B6A26F7DA725@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C049E4F3.4F965%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 3/24/06 2:19 PM, "liamlambert" <liamlambert at mac.com> wrote:

Hi Liam, 

> I want to up date a column in a sqlLite db
> the column is called ticket the table is called Booking
> I want to update the column with the word YES
> 
> I have tried
> 
> put  "ticket" into tTicket
> 
>      put "'" & cleanSQL (field tTicket) & "'" & "," after tRowBooking
> 
>    delete last char of tRowBooking
> 
>    put " UPDATE Booking set (ticket) = 'yes' where bookingID =
> tBookingID"  & \
>        " VALUES(null," & tRowBooking & ")" into tSQLbooking

So final SQL looks as:

    UPDATE Booking 
    SET (ticket) = 'yes'
    WHERE bookingID = 1
    VALUES (null, 2)

?

I think you have mix INSERT and UPDATE syntaxes.
The correct update syntax is:

    UPDATE Booking 
    SET ticket = 'yes'
    WHERE bookingID = 1


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]




From rcozens at pon.net  Fri Mar 24 11:06:38 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:06:38 -0800
Subject: Shamelessly Soliciting Windows Developers' Votes
In-Reply-To: <95C9C13D-E82E-4612-8744-ACE489C1F846@adelphia.net>
References: <95C9C13D-E82E-4612-8744-ACE489C1F846@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <2CBCFC54-BB50-11DA-AD7E-0030657E1638@pon.net>

To those of you who deploy Windows applications and have not cast your 
vote(s) for Tablet PC Compliance (Bugzilla #3252):

Would you please give it some consideration?

In case you haven't noticed, the laptops currently featured in IBM & 
Gateway TV ads run XP TPC 2005 Edition and Origami runs a modified 
version of same.

Even if you don't target the TPC specifically, you will sooner or later 
find users asking why your application isn't responding to changes in 
screen orientation or accept ink input.

You can vote for this at

  <http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=3252>

Vote early and often!

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Mar 24 11:12:30 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:12:30 -0600
Subject: Weirdness Passing Messages
In-Reply-To: <83A930F0-8E55-4AA9-9356-4AD8E2FFF61A@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <4422DAA5.1060002@fourthworld.com>	<44231A71.1090702@hyperactivesw.com>
	<83A930F0-8E55-4AA9-9356-4AD8E2FFF61A@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <44241A6E.4040007@hyperactivesw.com>

David Burgun wrote:

> Incidentally, the above works  just fine regardless of the stack/card/ 
> object using "put <something> into me". The problem I described  
> yesterday was brought to light because when a new folder is selected,  I 
> wanted to select the first line (file) in the list, so inside  
> ISM_FolderSelect(), I did a ISMPutMessage("ISM_FileSelected,  kFileKind, 
> line 1 of me), when this happened, "me" in the receiving  handler got 
> Beswick'ed!

Which is reasonable, I think. Think about this a moment -- parameters 
are always evaluated before being passed. When you pass "me" in a 
parameter, the "me" will refer to the object currently executing the 
script, not the target object the script will eventually refer to later. 
This is normal behavior.

Take this example:

   addNums (1+1)

The addNums handler will receive a parameter of "2", not "1+1". Ditto 
for "me", which will be interpreted as the object *currently* running 
the script, not the future target of the handler reference.

When passing a reference parameter, use an ID or other static reference, 
not "me" which is always subject to interpretation. As you found out. ;)

If you absolutely must use "me" then you can try putting the parameter 
in quotes to force it into acting as a string. Strings won't be 
evaluated. I don't know if this will work in your situation but you can 
try it.

Now that I understand your usage better, I do not think this is a bug.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Mar 24 11:12:52 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:12:52 -0800
Subject: Correct Syntax???!!!
Message-ID: <44241A84.1060909@fourthworld.com>

David Burgun wrote:
 > It used to read:
 >
 > put item 2 of myDataRecord into me
 >
 > But I have had to change it because the use of:
 >
 > put <something> into  me
 >      or
 > set the text of me to <something>
 >
 > Is not 100% reliable - see thread entitled "Weirdness Passing
 > Messages" if you would like more details.

Yes, perhaps the best post to start with is this one:
<http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2006-March/079011.html>

In it I summarize the result of testing this out to discover that the 
circumstances needed to expose a bug related to this use of "me" are 
highly specific:

The handler must reside in an object which is on an unopened card, 
meaning that it never gets triggered by any direct user action; thus far 
I know of no circumstances in which "me" in an object on a card that can 
be seen fails.

So how does one trigger something that can cause "me" to come into play 
on an unopened card?  It only occurs if you choose the relatively 
inefficient method of using "send" instead of any natural part of the 
message path.

Most xTalks don't even allow sending messages to objects on unopened 
cards, and in Rev you can still operate on any object on any unopened 
card with the only exception known to date being if that object's text 
is affected by using "me" after receiving a message sent outside of the 
normal message path with "send", and then it fails only if the card it's 
on is not open.

In that post are also two simple workarounds to avoid this bug:

a) use "the long ID of me" instead of simply "me"

b) set the text directly from the script that sends the message

I'm not sure it's helpful to the readers here to say that "me" is not 
100% reliable without providing details; while narrowly accurate, it 
appears that "me" is 99.99% reliable, with only one highly specific 
circumstance required to expose a bug that to my knowledge has affects 
very few people in actual use, in a circumstance where using option a) 
above still relies on "me" and takes only a few seconds to correct for 
on one line with no changes required to any other code.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From douez at wanadoo.fr  Fri Mar 24 11:16:17 2006
From: douez at wanadoo.fr (thierry)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:16:17 +0000
Subject: MVC in Rev?
In-Reply-To: <CF110AEF-998A-400E-B2F6-DE23C89E8764@scarlet.be>
References: <4421B55A.7000801@fourthworld.com>
	<442281C8.1080903@wanadoo.fr>	<10044530171.20060323210846@ahsoftware.net>
	<CF110AEF-998A-400E-B2F6-DE23C89E8764@scarlet.be>
Message-ID: <44241B51.6070907@wanadoo.fr>

i did open it with Firefox without any problem too
and Acrobat 7.0 and the link is allright :-(

i can send you the file in zip, if you like ?

Regards,
thierry


Wouter a ?crit :
> On 24 Mar 2006, at 06:08, Mark Wieder wrote:
>> thierry-
>>
>> Thursday, March 23, 2006, 3:08:56 AM, you wrote:
>>>      http://atomicobject.com/media/files/PresenterFirst.pdf
>> ..."that file is damaged and cannot be repaired"...
> Not sure, it opens up nicely in Safari.
>
>> -Mark Wieder
>>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From irog at mac.com  Fri Mar 24 11:14:35 2006
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:14:35 -0700
Subject: Revolution in Seattle
In-Reply-To: <20060324000644.4AF568262E4@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060324000644.4AF568262E4@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <A279C20A-0867-46DB-AA8E-1BB2FDE14DCF@mac.com>

Hello Bruce,

I live in Seattle (Redmond actually) and I'm willing to help out any  
way I can.  Although I consider myself a little more than a casual  
user, I have been somewhat inactive for the past four or five  
months.  You can see examples of my work on RevOnline under RogerG.   
You can also look at the work my wife and I did for Seattle Girls  
School  at:
							
													http://homepage.mac.com/yogitrish/SGSMaxCurr/

Let me know if I can help.

Cheers, Roger



On Mar 23, 2006, at 5:06 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

> Message: 32
> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:03:35 -0800
> From: Bruce Robertson <bfr at nwlink.com>
> Subject: Revolution in Seattle?
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <C0488567.5215A%bfr at nwlink.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Got any idea how many Revolution users there might be in the  
> Seattle area?
> Or good sources for demonstrations?
>
> At Seattle's Mac user group dBug <http://www.dbug.org> we are  
> giving some
> thought to demonstrating Rev at a meeting. I'm trying to find good  
> resources
> to support such an activity.



From liamlambert at mac.com  Fri Mar 24 11:27:41 2006
From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:27:41 +0000
Subject: UpDate Db
Message-ID: <09AB5BF0-B24A-4FC2-B051-7CA46BEF4DA2@mac.com>

Ruslan
Thank You.
Liam Lambert
liamlambert at mac.com
IRELAND




From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Fri Mar 24 11:43:43 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:43:43 +0000
Subject: Weirdness Passing Messages
In-Reply-To: <44241A6E.4040007@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4422DAA5.1060002@fourthworld.com>	<44231A71.1090702@hyperactivesw.com>
	<83A930F0-8E55-4AA9-9356-4AD8E2FFF61A@dsl.pipex.com>
	<44241A6E.4040007@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C97A1AF9-E833-4DA9-9A88-DB0EFF300358@dsl.pipex.com>


On 24 Mar 2006, at 16:12, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> David Burgun wrote:
>
>> Incidentally, the above works  just fine regardless of the stack/ 
>> card/ object using "put <something> into me". The problem I  
>> described  yesterday was brought to light because when a new  
>> folder is selected,  I wanted to select the first line (file) in  
>> the list, so inside  ISM_FolderSelect(), I did a ISMPutMessage 
>> ("ISM_FileSelected,  kFileKind, line 1 of me), when this happened,  
>> "me" in the receiving  handler got Beswick'ed!
>
> Which is reasonable, I think. Think about this a moment --  
> parameters are always evaluated before being passed. When you pass  
> "me" in a parameter, the "me" will refer to the object currently  
> executing the script, not the target object the script will  
> eventually refer to later. This is normal behavior.

This was just short hand to explain how I came to find the bug. What  
I was trying to point out is that the problem was triggered by me  
calling a handler in an unopened card from an object inside the same  
(unopened card).

The actual code is:

put line 1 of the text of me into myFileName
get ISMPutMessage(ISM_FileSelected,  kFileKind, myFileName)

The problem was in the ISM_FIleSelected handler in the *destination"  
object. Which did this:


on ISM_PutMessage( heMessageID,theSubCode,theFilePathName)
--
--  Other code
--

put <something>  into me  --<something> being based on the file name.

--
--  Other code
--
end ISM_PutMessage

> Take this example:
>
>   addNums (1+1)
>
> The addNums handler will receive a parameter of "2", not "1+1".  
> Ditto for "me", which will be interpreted as the object *currently*  
> running the script, not the future target of the handler reference.

I don't pass "me" as a parameter for the very reason you mention. The  
problem is in the destination handler which is a different "me"!!!!!
>
> When passing a reference parameter, use an ID or other static  
> reference, not "me" which is always subject to interpretation. As  
> you found out. ;)

>
> If you absolutely must use "me" then you can try putting the  
> parameter in quotes to force it into acting as a string. Strings  
> won't be evaluated. I don't know if this will work in your  
> situation but you can try it.
>
> Now that I understand your usage better, I do not think this is a bug.

The bug is that:

put <something> into me

or

set the text of me to <something>

Doesn't work 100% of the time. Sorry for the confusion, I didn't mean  
you to take the pseudo code I posted literally. I have found the bug  
now and changed the offending lines to:

set the text of the long is of me to <something> and it works fine now.

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave








From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Fri Mar 24 11:47:27 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:47:27 -0800
Subject: Setting up a team...
In-Reply-To: <004c01c64f25$45a085d0$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>
References: <004c01c64f25$45a085d0$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>
Message-ID: <p0623090ac049d25abca1@[192.168.1.103]>

Rev is natural to me...But I've been xtalking since 1988.
My gut says hire a rev-experienced person first so management can see 
the thing work sooner. Quicker results = success

sqb

>At the moment we do websites and that's it. However, we've recently been
>bidding for bigger and bigger jobs that although the customer thinks "hey,
>that'd be cool on a browser", I think that their users (internal that is)
>would feel far happier with a client application. So, as the Tech director
>of the company, it's my job to source the best method of doing these things.
>
>Now, I got RunRev as a hobby thing. I like programming and I like the
>challenge of new stuff, and this seemed a good toy to take me away from the
>humdrum of office life (busman's holiday I know, but us geeks are like
>that). However while I'm sat in a meeting the other day listening to some
>requirements, it hit me like a bolt that RunRev could do all and more of
>what was required.
>
>So, totally hypothetical at the moment, but let's say we decided to write
>some stuff in RunRev. We've got a small dev team of three PHP programmers
>and although they may find it fun, we really don't want them to take their
>eye off the ball. So I have a dilemma. Do I go looking for a RunRev
>programmer, do I freelance our requirements or do I take someone on and
>train them in the art of Transcript?
>
>Open discussion really, what would you do?
>
>Andy.

-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -


From jonseymour at mac.com  Fri Mar 24 11:49:26 2006
From: jonseymour at mac.com (Jon Seymour)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:49:26 -0600
Subject: Save stacks periodically to avoid crashes?
Message-ID: <A7D0A744-EA43-431A-A117-FD10A769F687@mac.com>

Hi, I've been using Rev for about a year. I'm sure it won't shock  
most of you to hear that periodically Rev just seems tired and  
crashes. Now I am sure that coding glitches are sometimes at fault,  
but generally speaking I think Rev (esp. 2.7) has stability issues.  
Here's the thing, though: it seems that if I am saving the stack  
periodically, which I would tend to do to avoid losing data in a  
crash, the program actually crashes less. It's as if saving has some  
benefit to memory management or who-knows-what-else in the engine.  
It's like a "refresh" function. Has anyone else observed this? Is  
there a rationale? Would it be smart to have a commercial application  
save its stacks regularly, not only to store user changes, but simply  
to confer stability?

Jon


From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Fri Mar 24 11:54:33 2006
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:54:33 +0100
Subject: Pasting part of an image to a specific loc by scripting?
Message-ID: <44242449.7020007@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

Hi all,

Is it possible to paste a copied portion of an image to another place in 
that same image by scripting, e.g. the topleft quarter to the topright 
quarter?

The paste command always places the copied part of an image at the 
center of the image as in the following script, so what kind of 
parameters should be added?:

"on mouseUp
  choose select tool
  put the topleft of img 2 into tpos
  put tpos into tpos2
  add 200 to item 1 of tpos2
  add 200 to item 2 of tpos2
  drag from tpos to tpos2
  copy
  click at tpos # without this click a *black* rectangle is pasted
  paste
  choose browse tool
end mouseUp"

Another script just moves the selected part of the image to the right, 
leaving the previous selected area as blank:

"on mouseUp
  choose select tool
  put the topleft of img 2 into tpos
  put tpos into tpos2
  add 200 to item 1 of tpos2
  add 200 to item 2 of tpos2
  drag from tpos to tpos2
  subtract 200 from item 2 of tpos2
  drag from tpos to tpos2
  choose browse tool
end mouseUp"

As usual, the solution is probably quite simple, but I cannot find any 
relevant information how to to this in the docs.

As a workaround, one could use a succession of snapshots and the 
deleting of the interim images, but I think there must be an easier way 
using paste, drag, move etc.

Any suggestions are welcome!

Regards,

Wilhelm Sanke
<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>



From liamlambert at mac.com  Fri Mar 24 11:57:54 2006
From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:57:54 +0000
Subject: UpDate Db
Message-ID: <6B9BE718-4F87-43B9-AEF1-AB120B388D17@mac.com>

  global gConID
    put fld "bookingid" into tbooking
put "UPDATE Booking SET ticket = 'no' WHERE BookingId = 8 "  into  
tSQLbooking
   --> EXECUTE SQL
   put revdb_execute(gConID,tSQLbooking)

This works fine but if I want to use a variable  in stead of 8 what  
is the syntaxes

Liam Lambert
liamlambert at mac.com
IRELAND




From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Fri Mar 24 11:58:34 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:58:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Shamelessly Soliciting Windows Developers' Votes
In-Reply-To: <2CBCFC54-BB50-11DA-AD7E-0030657E1638@pon.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603240857440.26980-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Rob:

This is from the Newton list.  I thought it was kinda funny in a warped
sort of way:

http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/798.html

Judy

On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, Rob Cozens wrote:

> To those of you who deploy Windows applications and have not cast your
> vote(s) for Tablet PC Compliance (Bugzilla #3252):
>
> Would you please give it some consideration?
>
> In case you haven't noticed, the laptops currently featured in IBM &
> Gateway TV ads run XP TPC 2005 Edition and Origami runs a modified
> version of same.
>
> Even if you don't target the TPC specifically, you will sooner or later
> find users asking why your application isn't responding to changes in
> screen orientation or accept ink input.



From troy_lists at rpsystems.net  Fri Mar 24 12:01:08 2006
From: troy_lists at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:01:08 -0500
Subject: Shamelessly Soliciting Windows Developers' Votes
In-Reply-To: <2CBCFC54-BB50-11DA-AD7E-0030657E1638@pon.net>
References: <95C9C13D-E82E-4612-8744-ACE489C1F846@adelphia.net>
	<2CBCFC54-BB50-11DA-AD7E-0030657E1638@pon.net>
Message-ID: <25FEBC75-1ED0-4812-8A51-75E474164EE5@rpsystems.net>


On Mar 24, 2006, at 11:06 AM, Rob Cozens wrote:

> Even if you don't target the TPC specifically, you will sooner or  
> later find users asking why your application isn't responding to  
> changes in screen orientation or accept ink input.

Thanks for bringing this up. One of my current projects is  
specifically for TabletPC, and I planned on doing it in Revolution,  
which is why I just re-upped my Enterprise license. This bug could be  
a show-stopper for Rev on the project, which is quite large (4-6  
months).

So, I take it that this means they only support horizontal screen  
orientation, and fields can't be filled out with a stylus, right? But  
the stylus can still be used for mouse-clicks, menu functions, etc.  
Correct?

I have a TabletPC arriving within a day or two. Some quick tests with  
it will rule Rev in, or out, of the project.

--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net




From simplsol at aol.com  Fri Mar 24 12:02:31 2006
From: simplsol at aol.com (simplsol at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:02:31 -0500
Subject: Save stacks periodically to avoid crashes?
In-Reply-To: <A7D0A744-EA43-431A-A117-FD10A769F687@mac.com>
References: <A7D0A744-EA43-431A-A117-FD10A769F687@mac.com>
Message-ID: <8C81D7BDFDEBEE8-1524-27DD@FWM-D31.sysops.aol.com>

Jon,
This has been my experience exactly!
The more I save the less Rev crashes. It has been a hard lesson to 
learn - especially coming from a HyperCard background where one never 
needed to save.
As for 2.7, I tried it for two days and found it to be full of problems 
- went back to 2.6.1, which has been (for me) the only semi-stabile 
version of Rev yet. I really wish they had done a 2.6.2 instead of the 
current 2.7!
Good luck.
Paul Looney

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Seymour <jonseymour at mac.com>
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Sent: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:49:26 -0600
Subject: Save stacks periodically to avoid crashes?

    Hi, I've been using Rev for about a year. I'm sure it won't shock 
most of you to hear that periodically Rev just seems tired and crashes. 
Now I am sure that coding glitches are sometimes at fault, but 
generally speaking I think Rev (esp. 2.7) has stability issues. Here's 
the thing, though: it seems that if I am saving the stack periodically, 
which I would tend to do to avoid losing data in a crash, the program 
actually crashes less. It's as if saving has some benefit to memory 
management or who-knows-what-else in the engine. It's like a "refresh" 
function. Has anyone else observed this? Is there a rationale? Would it 
be smart to have a commercial application save its stacks regularly, 
not only to store user changes, but simply to confer stability??
?
 Jon?
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From mcaufield at hoosierstamping.com  Fri Mar 24 12:10:38 2006
From: mcaufield at hoosierstamping.com (Michael Caufield)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:10:38 -0600
Subject: HyperCard Stack conversion in RR 2.7
Message-ID: <D8279204-43DF-45D6-9082-94B71285C37A@hoosierstamping.com>

Is the HC -> RR stack conversion broken in RR 2.7? Every HC stack I  
try to open in 2.7 results in an error dialog saying "There was a  
problem opening that stack". All of these same stacks open/convert  
fine in 2.6.1, and once they are converted by 2.6.1 can be used in  
2.7. I am using the OS X version of RR Enterprise 2.7 running on OS  
10.4.5 on PowerPC hardware.


From paulclaude at postino.it  Fri Mar 24 12:21:12 2006
From: paulclaude at postino.it (Paul Claude)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:21:12 +0100
Subject: HyperCard Stack conversion in RR 2.7
In-Reply-To: <D8279204-43DF-45D6-9082-94B71285C37A@hoosierstamping.com>
Message-ID: <C049E918.471D%paulclaude@postino.it>

I got the same problem. Maybe it's a 2.7 bug.

Greetings

Paul Claude


on 24-03-2006 18:10, Michael Caufield at mcaufield at hoosierstamping.com
wrote:

> Is the HC -> RR stack conversion broken in RR 2.7? Every HC stack I
> try to open in 2.7 results in an error dialog saying "There was a
> problem opening that stack". All of these same stacks open/convert
> fine in 2.6.1, and once they are converted by 2.6.1 can be used in
> 2.7. I am using the OS X version of RR Enterprise 2.7 running on OS
> 10.4.5 on PowerPC hardware.
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From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Fri Mar 24 12:23:18 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:23:18 +0000
Subject: Correct Syntax???!!!
In-Reply-To: <44241A84.1060909@fourthworld.com>
References: <44241A84.1060909@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <D411BF86-4E15-405F-84AE-F0B9DCFC8002@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

On 24 Mar 2006, at 16:12, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> I'm not sure it's helpful to the readers here to say that "me" is  
> not 100% reliable without providing details;

The details are all in the posts from the other thread, I really  
didn't want to cut and paste all that again.

> while narrowly accurate, it appears that "me" is 99.99% reliable,  
> with only one highly specific circumstance required to expose a bug  
> that to my knowledge has affects very few people in actual use,

f I had read something like "me" is not 100% reliable 6 months ago,  
it would have saved me two days frustration and a lot of time and  
effort by a few people on this list. As it is now I have to work the  
weekend to get back on Track! Oh well, such is life!

If there are two ways of doing something, one that is 100% reliable  
and one is 99.99% reliable, I think most people would choose the 100%  
solution, especially when it comes to software.

> in a circumstance where using option a) above still relies on "me"  
> and takes only a few seconds to correct for on one line with no  
> changes required to any other code.

This is not *always* the case, for instance this requires more effort:

set line 1 of me to <something>

The thing is that I have:

put <something> into me

all over the place. The reason for this is that around 2 years ago  
when I first started using RunRev, I saw an initialization handler  
(in one of the Sample Stacks that came with RunRev)  that did:

put empty into me

So I used this form from then on and the 99.99% solution got  
replicated over and over again!

It is really obscure that you can have a tried and tested handler  
that stops working as soon as it's called from a handler on an  
unopened card and to get around the problem have to use an alternate  
syntax which works 100% of the time (AFAIK!)

Also, seasoned "RunRev'ers) or maybe MetaCard'ers seem to think that  
it's odd that a handler gets called on an unopened card. I guess I  
just haven't come from the same background. I didn't think twice  
about whether an object on an unopened card would be treated  
differently or not. As far as I know it's not explicitly mentioned in  
any of the documents.

This could be part of the problem facing newbies. The seasoned  
developers have a mindset that has evolved from what *was* possible,  
whereas the newbie doesn't know what *was* possible so they don't  
think deeply about it and concentrate more on what *is* possible  
given the sample stacks available and the documentation.

Now that I have changed all the occurrences of "me" to use the longer  
syntax it works just fine, and I must say that using my Inter-Stack  
Messaging (ISM) System makes re-using groups and building apps so  
much more simple! In fact I think I am at least 95% of the way to  
achieving the dream of truly re-usable objects.

I just did an experiment where I took 5 Groups developed using the  
ISM and dropped them into a new stack. I then made a copy of all the  
groups (so that there are two of each) and have them all interacting  
perfectly. The whole operation took about 15 minutes, that's screen  
design, code, everything!

FANTASTIC!!! This is what I love about RunRev!

All the Best
Dave












From mcaufield at hoosierstamping.com  Fri Mar 24 12:28:18 2006
From: mcaufield at hoosierstamping.com (Michael Caufield)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:28:18 -0600
Subject: HyperCard Stack conversion in RR 2.7
In-Reply-To: <C049E918.471D%paulclaude@postino.it>
References: <C049E918.471D%paulclaude@postino.it>
Message-ID: <0FAAF4E5-AA23-4839-9CBC-D48812EA02CD@hoosierstamping.com>

I now realize that this issue has been addressed in the Feb archives.  
If I knew how to effectively search the archives, I would have found  
these messages before I read all of Mar. archive and most of Feb.

On Mar 24, 2006, at 11:21 AM, Paul Claude wrote:

> I got the same problem. Maybe it's a 2.7 bug.
>
> Greetings
>
> Paul Claude
>
>
> on 24-03-2006 18:10, Michael Caufield at mcaufield at hoosierstamping.com
> wrote:
>
>> Is the HC -> RR stack conversion broken in RR 2.7? Every HC stack I
>> try to open in 2.7 results in an error dialog saying "There was a
>> problem opening that stack". All of these same stacks open/convert
>> fine in 2.6.1, and once they are converted by 2.6.1 can be used in
>> 2.7. I am using the OS X version of RR Enterprise 2.7 running on OS
>> 10.4.5 on PowerPC hardware.
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From andy at cogress.co.uk  Mon Mar 13 02:24:11 2006
From: andy at cogress.co.uk (Andy)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 07:24:11 -0000
Subject: Deleting A Card
Message-ID: <004101c6466f$204784f0$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>

Hiya all,
 
I'm still just playing with RunRev, but I've come across what appears to be
a problem. I created a mainstack and added seven cards (just running through
the tutorials). I've now come to do something proper with them but I can't
delete any of the cards.
 
I move to the card I want to delete, choose object-> delete card, say 'yes',
but nothing happens. A bug or am I missing something peculiar to RunRev?
 
Andy.


From richard at portable-pro.com  Sat Mar 18 13:42:33 2006
From: richard at portable-pro.com (Richard Miller)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 13:42:33 -0500
Subject: More Videograbber issues
In-Reply-To: <s41c033e.092@hpsk12.net>
References: <s41c033e.092@hpsk12.net>
Message-ID: <A5BF1260-75A0-4175-AE4B-0D703723BB67@portable-pro.com>

Jack,

Try any  of the ones here:

     www.morgan-multimedia.com

I've tried many different codec's. This one is highly compatible with  
the player object in Rev, designed for the PC, provides great  
compression (and numerous options to balance compression versus  
quality), and yields high-quality video.

Best,
Richard Miller
Imprinter Technologies


On Mar 18, 2006, at 12:55 PM, Jack Rarick wrote:

> I want to first thank Richard Miller for his quick and accurate  
> response
> to my issue of using Firewire with videograbber. Richard pointed out
> that one of the parameters needed to be changed to DirectX. Again,  
> thank
> you.
>
> Now, can anyone point me in the direction of the best Codec to use?
> Compression is NOT an issue. Quality of the video is. I am moving an
> application from the Mac to the PC and need to be able to bring in  
> video
> in high quality using generic equipment. Any DV Firewire camera and  
> and
> PC with a Firewire port.  I'm trying to write a very basic app that
> compares just a little to iMovie on the Mac.
>
> Any and all ideas will be very appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Jack Rarick
> Braintree Athletic Systems
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From matsastrom at yahoo.se  Wed Mar 22 07:43:59 2006
From: matsastrom at yahoo.se (=?iso-8859-1?q?Mats=20=C5str=F6m?=)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 13:43:59 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Menus displayed off screen
Message-ID: <20060322124359.41208.qmail@web26805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Is there a bug in 2.7 where popUp and pullDown menues
are displayed off screen? 

When popped up close to the right side of the screen
the menues are not forced left so that the whole menu
is on the screen. If the menu is wide part of the menu
end up off screen. 

Vertically it works fine, when a menu is popped up
close to the bottom of the screen the whole menu is
displayed on screen upwards.

All menues are displayed on screen in version 2.6.1.

Mats Astrom


From mcaufield at hoosierstamping.com  Fri Mar 24 11:59:12 2006
From: mcaufield at hoosierstamping.com (Michael Caufield)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:59:12 -0600
Subject: HyperCard Stack conversion in RR 2.7
Message-ID: <AF0C4465-875E-43AC-95C2-63C528454541@hoosierstamping.com>

Is the HC -> RR stack conversion broken in RR 2.7? Every HC stack I  
try to open in 2.7 results in an error dialog saying "There was a  
problem opening that stack". All of these same stacks open/convert  
fine in 2.6.1, and once they are converted by 2.6.1 can be used in  
2.7. I am using the OS X version of RR Enterprise 2.7 running on OS  
10.4.5 on PowerPC hardware.


From paulclaude at postino.it  Fri Mar 24 12:57:14 2006
From: paulclaude at postino.it (Paul Claude)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:57:14 +0100
Subject: HyperCard Stack conversion in RR 2.7
In-Reply-To: <0FAAF4E5-AA23-4839-9CBC-D48812EA02CD@hoosierstamping.com>
Message-ID: <C049F18A.4725%paulclaude@postino.it>

You may easily search the mail archives using google.com, writing in the
search box:

"text to search" site:lists.runrev.com

Greetings

Paul Claude


on 24-03-2006 18:28, Michael Caufield at mcaufield at hoosierstamping.com
wrote:

> If I knew how to effectively search the archives, I would have found
> these messages before I read all of Mar. archive and most of Feb.




From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Fri Mar 24 13:02:19 2006
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:02:19 -0500
Subject: Setting up a team...
In-Reply-To: <p0623090ac049d25abca1@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <004c01c64f25$45a085d0$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>
	<p0623090ac049d25abca1@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <10D27E1F-6369-4069-9E4F-A4AA675704C2@adelphia.net>

Hire an experienced Revolution Consultant and then program it  
yourself and introduce your team to it in progress. Then you have  
control over the project instead of someone new to REV who will  
probably try to fit Rev into their thinking instead of their thinking  
into Rev. Secondly, the consultant can teach and inform and consult  
on the best practices and usage during the planing stage and if you  
get into trouble they are already familiar with the project and can  
step in to help in the actual programming.
You team will take the consultants lead and our lead and in the end  
get a great intro to Rev and it's paradigm.

Sounds like a win win to me.

Good luck and as someone on this list told me "Go for it, Just jump  
in and start"

HTH

Tom


On Mar 24, 2006, at 11:47 AM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> Rev is natural to me...But I've been xtalking since 1988.
> My gut says hire a rev-experienced person first so management can  
> see the thing work sooner. Quicker results = success
>
> sqb
>
>> At the moment we do websites and that's it. However, we've  
>> recently been
>> bidding for bigger and bigger jobs that although the customer  
>> thinks "hey,
>> that'd be cool on a browser", I think that their users (internal  
>> that is)
>> would feel far happier with a client application. So, as the Tech  
>> director
>> of the company, it's my job to source the best method of doing  
>> these things.
>>
>> Now, I got RunRev as a hobby thing. I like programming and I like the
>> challenge of new stuff, and this seemed a good toy to take me away  
>> from the
>> humdrum of office life (busman's holiday I know, but us geeks are  
>> like
>> that). However while I'm sat in a meeting the other day listening  
>> to some
>> requirements, it hit me like a bolt that RunRev could do all and  
>> more of
>> what was required.
>>
>> So, totally hypothetical at the moment, but let's say we decided  
>> to write
>> some stuff in RunRev. We've got a small dev team of three PHP  
>> programmers
>> and although they may find it fun, we really don't want them to  
>> take their
>> eye off the ball. So I have a dilemma. Do I go looking for a RunRev
>> programmer, do I freelance our requirements or do I take someone  
>> on and
>> train them in the art of Transcript?
>>
>> Open discussion really, what would you do?
>>
>> Andy.
>
> -- 
> stephen barncard
> s a n  f r a n c i s c o
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Mar 24 13:11:32 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:11:32 -0800
Subject: Correct Syntax???!!!
Message-ID: <44243654.9030508@fourthworld.com>

David Burgun wrote:

> The reason for this is that around 2 years ago  
> when I first started using RunRev, I saw an initialization handler  
> (in one of the Sample Stacks that came with RunRev)  that did:
> 
> put empty into me
> 
> So I used this form from then on and the 99.99% solution got  
> replicated over and over again!

Right. While your specific setup did manage to discover a bug, perhaps 
the reason no one's reported this before is that they prefer to write 
less code.

Replicated code not only takes more time to write, but as you note it 
takes more time to revise.  Even if you were using something that worked 
perfectly, there may come a time when you want to enhance it. 
Replicated code means replicating the enhancement effort.

In common practice "me" is rarely used, as it only affects one object. 
In the example shown above, a more generalized approach might be this 
card script:

   on preOpenCard
       repeat with i = 1 to the number of flds
         if the lockText of fld i is false then
            put empty into fld i
         end if
       end repeat
       pass preOpenCard
   end preOpenCard

That simple handler accomodates any number of fields without 
modification to the code or the objects.  You can add or delete fields 
at any time, and the form still clears itself before being displayed.

Now suppose we later decide we want to have some fields to display 
default values, while still leaving others blank.  We could add a simple 
property to any field that needs it, and we only make a small change in 
that one card handler:

   on preOpenCard
       repeat with i = 1 to the number of flds
         if the lockText of fld i is false then
            put the uDefaultValue of fld i into fld i
         end if
       end repeat
       pass preOpenCard
   end preOpenCard

I read your outline at 
<http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2006-March/079065.html>, 
and although after two readings I can't figure out what its goal is my 
hunch is that it could be satisfied with a single backScript or library 
and property settings in affected objects.

Such an approach keeps the code centralized, making it easier to write, 
maintain, and enhance.  Objects could be added or removed from the 
behavioral management by just changing a property, never needing to even 
open a script editor.

There's also a performance benefit to using the natural message path 
whenever practical.  Consider these benchmarks from a simple test case* 
(times shown are per call):

Native:  0.007ms
Send:    0.011ms
Do:      0.013ms

In a single call, the difference between native message inheritance and 
"send" is only 0.004ms, certainly not worth worrying about.  But if one 
were building a system in which "send" is being used throughout as the 
primary means of driving things, the aggregate cost of that 50% 
peformance difference may make the system noticeably less responsive. 
Those clock cycles could probably be put to better use; even if 
performance appears fine for now, future enhancements may require 
additional load elsewhere, so it's often a good idea to keep performance 
in mind even when it doesn't initially seem important.

There are of course times when "send" and "do" are the only way to solve 
a problem, but with the flexibility of frontScripts, libraries, and 
backScripts such cases are few.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


* Test scenario:

One stack, one card, one button with this script:

on mouseUp
   put 10000 into n
   --
   put the millisecs into t
   repeat n
     doMe
   end repeat
   put (the millisecs - t)/n into t1
   --
   put the millisecs into t
   repeat n
     send "doMe" to this cd
   end repeat
   put (the millisecs - t )/n into t2
   --
   put the millisecs into t
   repeat n
     do "doMe"
   end repeat
   put (the millisecs - t)/n into t3
   --
   set the numberformat to "0.000"
   put "Native: "& t1 &"ms" &cr\
       &"Send:   "&t2 &"ms" &cr\
       &"Do:      "&t3 &"ms"
end mouseUp


The card script has this script, just dummy stuff as some arbitrary 
thing to do so we don't have an empty handler:

on doMe
   get "nothing"
   put "nothing" into it
end doMe


Times shown above were on a PowerBook G4 1GHz.



From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Fri Mar 24 13:15:34 2006
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:15:34 -0500
Subject: Save stacks periodically to avoid crashes?
In-Reply-To: <8C81D7BDFDEBEE8-1524-27DD@FWM-D31.sysops.aol.com>
References: <A7D0A744-EA43-431A-A117-FD10A769F687@mac.com>
	<8C81D7BDFDEBEE8-1524-27DD@FWM-D31.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <70FEF10D-053E-421A-B9B8-8CF0B261E93A@adelphia.net>

Powerpoint - save after every slide and after every graphic gets  
introduced to a slide
Word - save after every paragraph, save after every copy/paste, save  
after every insert graphic
Safari - save bookmarks after every page with many pop-ups or I will  
have to use History
Photoshop - save after every layer is introduced and save after every  
filter is appied
Illustrator - save after layers are introduced, save after any effect
FileMakerPro - save after every template change
DirectorMX - save after every import, save after place image, save  
after script change, save often
FlashMX - save, save, save, save
Freehand - save after import or major changes - not bad actually
Painter - as bad as photoshop
iMovie - save often
iDVD - save often
GarageBand - save often

Every major package I own requires many many saves in every usage  
session. I had to learn this early on when doing graphics on Main  
Frame Computers like the Moonbase, Genigraphics, Zerox. If you didn't  
save every few minutes you would lose all of your work.

Some programs require more than others and REV in my opinion by it's  
very nature requires lots of saves. It's programming after all.

I would expect it to require lots of saves.

What happens when you use a backup software or Constellation?? Does  
it crash less with auto back ups?

Thanks

Tom




On Mar 24, 2006, at 12:02 PM, simplsol at aol.com wrote:

>  It has been a hard lesson to learn - especially coming from a  
> HyperCard background where one never needed to save.

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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 24 13:19:14 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:19:14 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860603211655re642afcn58fad4d4419d4232@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C0497822.36A1E%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/21/06 4:55 PM, "Sarah Reichelt" <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com> wrote:
> The alternatives that I see are to use script local variables or to
> pass an empty parameter by reference and have the function fill it.
> Does anyone have any other ideas or recommendations?

Here is another way that you could take advantage of 'for each' and use one
function, scanning the database one time, returning multiple results in one
variable, without using an array.

on scan
--define var dbTable
  put dbScanner(dbTable) into dbEssence
  set the itemdel to "^"
  put item 1 of dbEssence into summer
  put item 2 of dbEssence  into lister
  put item 3 of dbEssence  into chimps
  
end scan

function dbScanner @dbTable
set the itemDel to tab  --if this is correct
  repeat for each line LNN in dbTable
    put "," & item 6 of LNN after itemsToSum
    put item 4 of LNN & cr after listofItem4
    if LNN contains "circus monkey" then
      put LNN & cr after monkeyLines
    end if
  end repeat
  get sum(itemsToSum)
  filter listofItem4 without empty
  filter monkeyLines without empty
  return it & "^" & \
      listofItem4 & "^" & \
      monkeyLines
  
end dbScanner

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 3/21/06 4:55 PM, "Sarah Reichelt" <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 3/21/06, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com> wrote:
>> Do you have an example? I agree that if you end up passing in a
>> handful of arguments by reference, you haven't accomplished much by
>> breaking out the routine. The question is if there isn't a better way
>> to slice the routine, where that wouldn't be necessary.
>> 
> 
> OK, I have a better example. Say I have a data set and I need to loop
> through it and extract three different pieces of information e.g. a
> list of the 4th column in each line, a list of lines that match a
> certain set of criteria, and a cumulative total obtained by adding a
> certain column in each line.
> 
> Each of these could be done in a separate function, but that would
> mean looping through the data set three times. With a large data set,
> it is significantly faster to loop once, filling all three new
> variables in the single loop. If I separate this off into a separate
> function, then I need a way of passing multiple results back.
> 
> The alternatives that I see are to use script local variables or to
> pass an empty parameter by reference and have the function fill it.
> Does anyone have any other ideas or recommendations?
> 
> Sarah
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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Fri Mar 24 13:23:42 2006
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:23:42 -0500
Subject: Any Rev VB gurus?
Message-ID: <A005A72C-B4C8-4EB8-BC3B-360B227027D5@adelphia.net>

Hello all,

I have a stack that is using VB scripts on Windows. I have a few  
interrelated questions and need some advice from someone familiar  
with both. We can take it off list if needed.

Thanks in advance,

Tom



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From johnpatten at mac.com  Fri Mar 24 13:24:54 2006
From: johnpatten at mac.com (John Patten)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:24:54 -0800
Subject: FTP and cross platform issues...
Message-ID: <11424424.1143224694744.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>

Thanks Mark and Alex!

I was afraid of that :-)

In my environment, school district, by default the MS firewall is turned on. We could provide info to a teacher how to temporarily turn off the firewall. Even if they forgot to turn it back on, they still be covered within the district network. But if they went to the local coffee shop and forgot to turn it on they may be vulnerable.

There are more ways to download a file, however to upload and add to an file on a server(say an XML data file)I'm not too familiar with a strategy that would work to upload the file.

The file would need to be used by multiple clients, however, each one would at times update the data file. I know mySQL db might be a possile solution but that increases the level of difficulty....or at least I think it does, ...who knows after the trouble I had with an ftp upload :-)

Good learning experience though!

Thanks!


Message: 19
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:50:41 +0000
From: Alex Tweedly <alex at tweedly.net>
Subject: Re: Ftp and cross platform issues...
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4423B2E1.1000103 at tweedly.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Mark Wieder wrote:

>John-
>
>Thursday, March 23, 2006, 11:36:57 AM, you wrote:
>
>  
>
>>My new question is what Firewall exception needs to be entered in
>>the built in WindowsXP Firewall software to make the FTP stack work,
>>without having to turn the built in Windows Firewall completly off?
>>    
>>
>
>Well, my opinion, take it or leave it, is that there's no excuse for
>having the builtin firewall turned on.
>
"No excuse" ?
What would you do with a laptop that sometimes gets used on public
networks (e.g. Internet cafes, public wifi nets, etc.)?

I keep Win-XP Firewall on most of the time, and disable it temporarily
when I have a problem and if it is safe to do so. If I have (e.g. Rev
FTP problems) while using an unsafe network, I find another way to do it.

(Plea - auto-updating stacks *should* provide a way to download the
update to somewhere local and up date from there, please. Not only does
it help with this problem, but also helps if you have multiple machines
and a slow network connection - e.g. when your DSL is down, and you are
using your fall-back dial-up connection).

>That's one of the first things
>I check for when I'm troubleshooting a system with network problems.
>If your computer is otherwise unprotected on a broadband connection
>then I think you're better off with a hardware solution - go spend a
>few bucks and get thee behind a router, then configure the firewall
>that's built into it.
>
>  
>
I generally agree - but I do think there are some circumstances where a
built-in firewall is required.


-- 
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From b.xavier at internet.lu  Fri Mar 24 13:44:09 2006
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:44:09 +0100
Subject: Any Rev VB gurus?
In-Reply-To: <A005A72C-B4C8-4EB8-BC3B-360B227027D5@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <20060324173256.81BB18255E7@mail.runrev.com>

Hi Thomas,

what do you need?

;)

cheerios
Xavier

> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Thomas McGrath III
> Sent: Friday, 24 March, 2006 19:24
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Any Rev VB gurus?
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I have a stack that is using VB scripts on Windows. I have a 
> few interrelated questions and need some advice from someone 
> familiar with both. We can take it off list if needed.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Tom
> 
> 
> 
> Thomas J McGrath III
> 3mcgrath at adelphia.net
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From mcaufield at hoosierstamping.com  Fri Mar 24 13:38:38 2006
From: mcaufield at hoosierstamping.com (Michael Caufield)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:38:38 -0600
Subject: HyperCard Stack conversion in RR 2.7
In-Reply-To: <C049F18A.4725%paulclaude@postino.it>
References: <C049F18A.4725%paulclaude@postino.it>
Message-ID: <2090858B-4B25-4DA9-B65C-2631B386D382@hoosierstamping.com>

I tried that and got back about 4 hits, none of which were the  
"Opening Hypercard Stack with Revolution 2.7" messages from the Feb.  
archive.

Thanks for your replies,
Michael

On Mar 24, 2006, at 11:57 AM, Paul Claude wrote:

> You may easily search the mail archives using google.com, writing  
> in the
> search box:
>
> "text to search" site:lists.runrev.com
>
> Greetings
>
> Paul Claude
>
>
> on 24-03-2006 18:28, Michael Caufield at mcaufield at hoosierstamping.com
> wrote:
>
>> If I knew how to effectively search the archives, I would have found
>> these messages before I read all of Mar. archive and most of Feb.
>
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From liamlambert at mac.com  Fri Mar 24 13:47:44 2006
From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:47:44 +0000
Subject: upDate data
Message-ID: <B2A09DCD-73DF-4C82-951D-AFC39C282311@mac.com>

  This works code works fine but if I want to use a variable  in  
stead of 8
can I do this I could not find any reference to it any where
or is there an other way of up dating a column


global gConID
     put fld "bookingid" into tbooking
put "UPDATE Booking SET ticket = 'no' WHERE BookingId = 8 "  into
tSQLbooking
    --> EXECUTE SQL
    put revdb_execute(gConID,tSQLbooking)



Liam Lambert
liamlambert at mac.com
IRELAND




From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Mar 24 13:57:48 2006
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:57:48 -0700
Subject: Deleting A Card
In-Reply-To: <004101c6466f$204784f0$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>
References: <004101c6466f$204784f0$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>
Message-ID: <EFD3CB6C-5A4F-4489-BB51-30D70CD28EC2@byu.edu>


On Mar 13, 2006, at 12:24 AM, Andy wrote:

> Hiya all,
>
> I'm still just playing with RunRev, but I've come across what  
> appears to be
> a problem. I created a mainstack and added seven cards (just  
> running through
> the tutorials). I've now come to do something proper with them but  
> I can't
> delete any of the cards.
>
> I move to the card I want to delete, choose object-> delete card,  
> say 'yes',
> but nothing happens. A bug or am I missing something peculiar to  
> RunRev?

Andy,
Are all of your cards identical? If they are they may in fact be  
getting deleted but there is no obvious visual confirmation. After  
you delete the card, enter 'put number of cards' in the message box  
and see what it returns. You can also open the Application Browser in  
the Tools menu and see how many cards are listed for the stack. Also,  
if I'm not mistaken, Rev won't let you delete a card if there's only  
one left because every stack has to have at least one card.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Mar 24 14:17:39 2006
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:17:39 -0700
Subject: upDate data
In-Reply-To: <B2A09DCD-73DF-4C82-951D-AFC39C282311@mac.com>
References: <B2A09DCD-73DF-4C82-951D-AFC39C282311@mac.com>
Message-ID: <929A6043-98C1-4693-BBDC-25979B854138@byu.edu>


On Mar 24, 2006, at 11:47 AM, liamlambert wrote:

>  This works code works fine but if I want to use a variable  in  
> stead of 8
> can I do this I could not find any reference to it any where
> or is there an other way of up dating a column
>
>
> global gConID
>     put fld "bookingid" into tbooking
> put "UPDATE Booking SET ticket = 'no' WHERE BookingId = 8 "  into
> tSQLbooking
>    --> EXECUTE SQL
>    put revdb_execute(gConID,tSQLbooking)

Liam,

Do you mean that if you use:

global gConID
     put fld "bookingid" into tbooking
put "UPDATE Booking SET ticket = 'no' WHERE BookingId = '" & tBooking  
& "'"  into
tSQLbooking
    --> EXECUTE SQL
    put revdb_execute(gConID,tSQLbooking)

it doesn't work? I've used this approach lots of times successfully.  
What error message do you get back?

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From jerry at daniels-mara.com  Fri Mar 24 14:32:33 2006
From: jerry at daniels-mara.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:32:33 -0600
Subject: Save stacks periodically to avoid crashes?
In-Reply-To: <70FEF10D-053E-421A-B9B8-8CF0B261E93A@adelphia.net>
References: <A7D0A744-EA43-431A-A117-FD10A769F687@mac.com>
	<8C81D7BDFDEBEE8-1524-27DD@FWM-D31.sysops.aol.com>
	<70FEF10D-053E-421A-B9B8-8CF0B261E93A@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <11C63A9A-E4F9-4827-962F-97BFC7183DA5@daniels-mara.com>

Tom,

I can neither confirm nor deny whether Constellation's auto save and  
archive process "cleanses" or "fixes" something about the Rev IDE so  
that you have fewer crashes. I would not think so. However, I have  
very few crashes in the Rev IDE and, of course, I use Constellation  
and it's assorted Gadgets (Object Gadget, Inspection Gadget and  
Transcript Gadget).

Best,

Jerry

Buy Constellation from Runtime Revolution!
http://revstudio.runrev.com/section/revselect/constellation/



On Mar 24, 2006, at 12:15 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> Powerpoint - save after every slide and after every graphic gets  
> introduced to a slide
> Word - save after every paragraph, save after every copy/paste,  
> save after every insert graphic
> Safari - save bookmarks after every page with many pop-ups or I  
> will have to use History
> Photoshop - save after every layer is introduced and save after  
> every filter is appied
> Illustrator - save after layers are introduced, save after any effect
> FileMakerPro - save after every template change
> DirectorMX - save after every import, save after place image, save  
> after script change, save often
> FlashMX - save, save, save, save
> Freehand - save after import or major changes - not bad actually
> Painter - as bad as photoshop
> iMovie - save often
> iDVD - save often
> GarageBand - save often
>
> Every major package I own requires many many saves in every usage  
> session. I had to learn this early on when doing graphics on Main  
> Frame Computers like the Moonbase, Genigraphics, Zerox. If you  
> didn't save every few minutes you would lose all of your work.
>
> Some programs require more than others and REV in my opinion by  
> it's very nature requires lots of saves. It's programming after all.
>
> I would expect it to require lots of saves.
>
> What happens when you use a backup software or Constellation?? Does  
> it crash less with auto back ups?
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 24, 2006, at 12:02 PM, simplsol at aol.com wrote:
>
>>  It has been a hard lesson to learn - especially coming from a  
>> HyperCard background where one never needed to save.
>
> Thomas J McGrath III
> 3mcgrath at adelphia.net
>
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>
> Lazy River Metal Art? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/metal.html
>
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>
> Semantic Compaction Systems - http://www.minspeak.com
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
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From liamlambert at mac.com  Fri Mar 24 14:34:00 2006
From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:34:00 +0000
Subject: upDate data
Message-ID: <0AD5EC28-FD71-4D81-BC57-869685319CB2@mac.com>

What I want to do is to change Column ticket to where BookingId =  
tbookingID and change Column ticket to NO
what I am getting is changing column ticket to where column ticket = NO

Liam

Liam Lambert
liamlambert at mac.com
IRELAND




From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Fri Mar 24 14:34:21 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:34:21 +0000
Subject: Correct Syntax???!!!
In-Reply-To: <44243654.9030508@fourthworld.com>
References: <44243654.9030508@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <B23C9907-5DA5-40B9-994B-A578DBB1DD96@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

On 24 Mar 2006, at 18:11, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Right. While your specific setup did manage to discover a bug,  
> perhaps the reason no one's reported this before is that they  
> prefer to write less code.
>
> Replicated code not only takes more time to write, but as you note  
> it takes more time to revise.  Even if you were using something  
> that worked perfectly, there may come a time when you want to  
> enhance it. Replicated code means replicating the enhancement effort.

Well it definitely does if it's wrong!!!! lol

By replicate I mean that whenever I wanted to store something in a  
field, I used put <something> into me form rather than the long id  
form. Which meant that now I have implemented the ISM I had revise  
all usages to use the long id form. But it's done now and well worth it.

>
> In common practice "me" is rarely used, as it only affects one  
> object. In the example shown above, a more generalized approach  
> might be this card script:
>
>   on preOpenCard
>       repeat with i = 1 to the number of flds
>         if the lockText of fld i is false then
>            put empty into fld i
>         end if
>       end repeat
>       pass preOpenCard
>   end preOpenCard

Yes, but this only works for fields and it only works on *all*  
fields, what if you wanted to leave the field untouched from the last  
time it was used. By putting the logic in the field/object in  
question you can initialize it or not initialize depending on what is  
needed and you only need to change the object in question which stops  
potential bugs from affecting ALL objects. You only have to worry  
about bugs in the object you have changed.

> That simple handler accomodates any number of fields without  
> modification to the code or the objects.  You can add or delete  
> fields at any time, and the form still clears itself before being  
> displayed.
>
> Now suppose we later decide we want to have some fields to display  
> default values, while still leaving others blank.  We could add a  
> simple property to any field that needs it, and we only make a  
> small change in that one card handler:
>
>   on preOpenCard
>       repeat with i = 1 to the number of flds
>         if the lockText of fld i is false then
>            put the uDefaultValue of fld i into fld i
>         end if
>       end repeat
>       pass preOpenCard
>   end preOpenCard

See above, but also, what if the default value is is not a constant,  
but can be changed by the user? Using this method you are stuck with  
the single "uDefaultValue" value, whereas using the ISM approach you  
are free to obtain the value anyway you like and it's specific for  
the object in question.

> I read your outline at <http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use- 
> revolution/2006-March/079065.html>, and although after two readings  
> I can't figure out what its goal is my hunch is that it could be  
> satisfied with a single backScript or library and property settings  
> in affected objects.

Maybe a better example is this. I have a preferences stack, one of  
the items on it is the unit of measurement, it can be set to MM, CM  
or Inches. I have a couple of groups in my Group Library to do with  
measure. One of them has the following fields:

[] = a field
<> = variable value

[Width:]   [ <value_in_units>]   [<Units>]
[Height:]  [ <value_in_units>]  [<Units>]

If the units were set to CM and the values were 100.

Now the user opens the preferences stack and changes the units to MM.  
I want all <Units> values to change from CM to MM and I want 100 CM's  
to now be 1000 MM's.

Using ISM, I would do this in the script for the Value and Units fields:

ListenForMessage("PrefsMeasureUnits",kMeasureUnits)

and define the following handlers for the <Units> fields:

on PrefsMeasureUnits theMessageID, theSubClass, theUnitValue
set the text of the long id of me to theUnitValue
end

and on the <value_in_units> fields:

on PrefsMeasureUnits theMessageID, theSubClass, theUnitValue
put CalcualteNewValue(the text of the long id of me, theUnitValue)  
into myNewValue
set the text of the long id of me to myNewValue
end

And in the script of the popup menu in the preferences stack, I'd write:
get ISMPutMessage("PrefsMeasureUnits", kMeasureUnits,theNewUnitsValue)

And any object in any card on any stack can "listen" for the message,  
so they all initialize to the correct value. I therefore only need to  
change the value once, not once for each object.

For instance:

No other stacks are open/running.

The user runs Preference Stack and changes the measure units to MM.
The user closes the Preference Stack.
The last time Stack A was run the measure units was set to CM.
The User runs Stack A, the "measure" fields call ISMListenForMessage,  
since there is now a message pending they automatically change to  
"MM". If there was not a message pending then a message would not be  
sent and no code would be executed. The way you are proposing I would  
have to re-initialize the object every time whether the value has  
changed or not!

> Such an approach keeps the code centralized, making it easier to  
> write, maintain, and enhance.  Objects could be added or removed  
> from the behavioral management by just changing a property, never  
> needing to even open a script editor.

I don't need to open the script editor either! And if I delete an  
object then messages just stop being sent to it!

> There's also a performance benefit to using the natural message  
> path whenever practical.  Consider these benchmarks from a simple  
> test case* (times shown are per call):
>
> Native:  0.007ms
> Send:    0.011ms
> Do:      0.013ms
>
> In a single call, the difference between native message inheritance  
> and "send" is only 0.004ms, certainly not worth worrying about.   
> But if one were building a system in which "send" is being used  
> throughout as the primary means of driving things, the aggregate  
> cost of that 50% peformance difference may make the system  
> noticeably less responsive. Those clock cycles could probably be  
> put to better use; even if performance appears fine for now, future  
> enhancements may require additional load elsewhere, so it's often a  
> good idea to keep performance in mind even when it doesn't  
> initially seem important.

I see your point, but in practice, using the ISM approach only the  
objects that need to act are called whereas using the other methods  
all fields need to be visited. I have found that the performance is  
about the same and it's just as responsive. This is just driving a  
basic GUI, if I needed to do something really fast, I would use an  
external command and deal in microseconds not milliseconds.

For instance the Experimental stack I did has 274 objects, 94 of them  
can be called via ISM, but in practice the most objects I have that  
are affected by a user GUI action is 6. The overhead is minimal. I  
have to get a stack working by Monday, but after that I will do the  
extra work needed in ISM, do a first draft of the documentation and  
post it to RevOnline. You can then take a look at how it works, but I  
am willing to bet you will not think that it's any slower than other  
Rev Apps I have seen.

> There are of course times when "send" and "do" are the only way to  
> solve a problem, but with the flexibility of frontScripts,  
> libraries, and backScripts such cases are few.

ISM is a library so I am using this technique.I really don't know  
anything about front or back scripts, and to be honest the lack of  
good documentation has put me off looking at them. What I have works  
for me and allows me to create apps must more quickly than using the  
methods you describe.

Have a Great Weekend and thanks again for all the help.
All the Best
Dave


From rcozens at pon.net  Fri Mar 24 14:40:19 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:40:19 -0800
Subject: Save stacks periodically to avoid crashes?
In-Reply-To: <A7D0A744-EA43-431A-A117-FD10A769F687@mac.com>
References: <A7D0A744-EA43-431A-A117-FD10A769F687@mac.com>
Message-ID: <06ACD7DD-BB6E-11DA-8341-0030657E1638@pon.net>


Hi Jon,

> it seems that if I am saving the stack periodically, which I would 
> tend to do to avoid losing data in a crash, the program actually 
> crashes less.

I find the same results not from saving the stack per se, but from 
applying each handler in a script and closing & reopening the Script 
Editor before editing a different handler.

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From rcozens at pon.net  Fri Mar 24 14:40:58 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:40:58 -0800
Subject: Shamelessly Soliciting Windows Developers' Votes
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603240857440.26980-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603240857440.26980-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <1DF7D63C-BB6E-11DA-8341-0030657E1638@pon.net>


Hi Judy,

> This is from the Newton list.  I thought it was kinda funny in a warped
> sort of way:
>
> http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/798.html
>

The guy in the beard could be moi, except (a) my beard, when I have 
one, is darker, and (b) I wouldn't have a TPC that didn't have a 12" 
screen.

I'm reminded of a Gandhi quote that goes something like:

"First they ignore you,
Then they laugh at you,
Then they argue with you,
Then you win."

Mac folks may laugh now; but I don't see any graphic-tablet based Mac 
with a decent size screen and handwriting & voice recognition 
out-of-the-box.  For this Foole, the pen is significantly mightier then 
the mouse.

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From rcozens at pon.net  Fri Mar 24 14:41:25 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:41:25 -0800
Subject: Shamelessly Soliciting Windows Developers' Votes
In-Reply-To: <25FEBC75-1ED0-4812-8A51-75E474164EE5@rpsystems.net>
References: <95C9C13D-E82E-4612-8744-ACE489C1F846@adelphia.net>
	<2CBCFC54-BB50-11DA-AD7E-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<25FEBC75-1ED0-4812-8A51-75E474164EE5@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <2DFDCA43-BB6E-11DA-8341-0030657E1638@pon.net>


Troy,

> I take it that this means they only support horizontal screen 
> orientation, and fields can't be filled out with a stylus, right? But 
> the stylus can still be used for mouse-clicks, menu functions, etc. 
> Correct?

Take a look at my additional comments posted with  
<http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=3252>.  These 
were added after I downloaded and reviewed Microsoft's TPC SDK.

The issue with orientation is that RR needs to process the messages 
sent when the user changes orientation or (by showing/hiding the TPC 
Input Panel) available screen size.

The issue with field input seems to be that the Input Panel keyboard 
generates 8-bit characters but ink returns text as Unicode.

  Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Mar 24 14:46:49 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:46:49 -0600
Subject: Copy Image to Clipboard broke in 2.7?
In-Reply-To: <4423D7F1.3040001@ehug.info>
References: <442314EF.3040707@chipp.com> <4423D7F1.3040001@ehug.info>
Message-ID: <44244CA9.3040705@chipp.com>

Hi Mark,

Thanks for the try.

Interesting, never thought about exporting the image to a var. I like it!

Still doesn't work in 2.7.
Mark Waddingham contacted me and confirmed the clipboardData is broke 
but will be fixed in the next update.

best,

Chipp

Mark Schonewille wrote:
> Hi Chipp,
> 
> on copyToClip pImage
>   export image pImage to myImg as PNG
>   set the clipboardData["image"] to myImg
> end copyToClip




From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Mar 24 14:49:55 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:49:55 -0600
Subject: Ftp and cross platform issues...
In-Reply-To: <4423B2E1.1000103@tweedly.net>
References: <1364814.1143142617794.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>	<1844514889.20060323210830@ahsoftware.net>
	<4423B2E1.1000103@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <44244D63.9010307@chipp.com>



Alex Tweedly wrote:

> (Plea - auto-updating stacks *should* provide a way to download the 
> update to somewhere local and up date from there, please. Not only does 
> it help with this problem, but also helps if you have multiple machines 
> and a slow network connection - e.g. when your DSL is down, and you are 
> using your fall-back dial-up connection).

I agree. I'm rewriting my MagicCarpet Auto-updating Architecture to take 
account for that-- and also allow for the creation of portable apps.

http://portableapps.com/

-chipp



From mark at maseurope.net  Fri Mar 24 14:50:16 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:50:16 +0000
Subject: Correct Syntax???!!!
In-Reply-To: <B23C9907-5DA5-40B9-994B-A578DBB1DD96@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <44243654.9030508@fourthworld.com>
	<B23C9907-5DA5-40B9-994B-A578DBB1DD96@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <C1249A37-B018-4A8E-9A5E-6E1191754652@maseurope.net>

As far as I understand it,

start using stack "foo"
library stack "foo"
insert the script of stack "foo" into back

are all functionally equivalent. I don't think there's much to  
understand about backscripts. I suspect frontscripts are as simple,  
but I've never used one.

Mark

On 24 Mar 2006, at 19:34, David Burgun wrote:

> ISM is a library so I am using this technique.I really don't know  
> anything about front or back scripts, and to be honest the lack of  
> good documentation has put me off looking at them.



From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Mar 24 14:54:03 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:54:03 -0600
Subject: RevMail Command - Sending an Email
In-Reply-To: <BAY105-F3295BFB261C8182E3603A3C3DF0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY105-F3295BFB261C8182E3603A3C3DF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <44244E5B.2010002@chipp.com>



Sean Shao wrote:
> This questions gets asked a lot David that I really wish that Rev would 
> just put it into the IDE/engine instead of the current method that they 
> use (or have both, choices are always good).
> 
> Take a look at one of the following Rev libraries that should be 
> completely cross-platform:
> 
> - "libSmtp 2.5.3" by me < www.shaosean.tk > in the libraries section
> - "SMTPlibrary" by Sarah Troz < http://www.troz.net/Rev/libraries.html >
> 
> Chipp has also made a wrapper library for my library that makes it a bit 
> easier to use, but limits the functionality..

It's called altEmailHarness and as Sean mentions, it uses her great 
library. It only allows the sending of plain text messages with no 
enclosures. If you need more than that, you should download from the 
shaosean site above.

Bottom of page:
http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Downloads.htm

-Chipp



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Mar 24 14:57:33 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:57:33 -0800
Subject: Correct Syntax???!!!
Message-ID: <44244F2D.9060401@fourthworld.com>

David Burgun wrote:
> I see your point, but in practice, using the ISM approach only the  
> objects that need to act are called whereas using the other methods  
> all fields need to be visited.

Not necessarily.  Properties can also be used to determine whether an 
object adopts any specialized behavior. Or the objects can be added to a 
list for centralized management.  Or the objects can call to a 
centralized routine which implements the actual behavior.

There are many ways to get specialized behavior for objects without 
replicating the code that drives the behavior.

When more than one object has a similar behavior, centralizing that 
behavior in a common script will often pay big dividends over the life 
cycle of a code base.


> I really don't know anything about front or back scripts, and
> to be honest the lack of good documentation has put me off
> looking at them. 

I think you'll find the documentation of the message path much enhanced 
in v2.7.

This may also be helpful:

Extending the Revolution Message Path:
An introduction to using Libraries, FrontScripts, and BackScripts
<http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/revolution_message_path.html>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com




From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Fri Mar 24 15:01:47 2006
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 20:01:47 +0000
Subject: FTP and cross platform issues...
In-Reply-To: <10558498.1143073871474.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>
References: <10558498.1143073871474.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B26322D1-A4EB-4B51-B463-C50CF0C2B1E6@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 23 Mar 2006, at 00:31, John Patten wrote:

> Hello All...
>
> I searched the archives and could not come up with a solution to an  
> FTP problem I'm having.
>
> I have an OSX Tiger Server configured for FTP. Everything works  
> like it supposed to with both Fetch (Mac side) and FTP Commander on  
> the WinXP side. No problem.
>
> However, I've been trying to get the WindowsXP box and Rev to  
> upload a simple text file to the server. No success. I have tried  
> Andre FTP utility, a couple others from the member area, my own  
> hacks using the examples in the rev docs, and finally Chip's FTPer  
> utility. None of them would work. The best I could see was that I  
> was getting a time out error.

I know there has been some discussion about passive/active/firewall  
issues, but I wonder if something else isn't amiss. On my own local  
network, with Win XP firewall on, I can upload to an OS X Tiger ftp  
server without problems. I've had the XP firewall on since the SP2  
release and have had no problems. I just reset the XP firewall  
settings to "restore default settings" and still have no problems,  
using both active and passive. (It seems to have upset my smb  
connection though. :-( )

FTP severs will generally handle both passive and active requests,  
unless specifically set otherwise. The problems over passive/active  
generally occur at routers/firewalls between the client and server.

Some questions: (apologies if they have been answered already)

Is the server on the local network or on the internet?

Is the "OSX Tiger Server" running OS X Server or just plain OS X? (I  
think they deploy different FTP servers, in case that's relevant.) In  
my case, it's plain OS X.

Are you running any other "internet security" software on either the  
client or server machine?

Can you get some log data using libUrlSetLogField in the client? This  
might help pin down where the problem is occurring?

What version of Rev and libUrl are you using? ("put libUrlVersion()"  
in the message box will give you the libUrl version.)

Cheers
Dave


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Mar 24 15:15:34 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:15:34 -0800
Subject: Revolution in Seattle?
In-Reply-To: <20060324031529.BCAA87F0B5@spatula.dreamhost.com>
References: <20060324031529.BCAA87F0B5@spatula.dreamhost.com>
Message-ID: <1918402432.20060324121534@ahsoftware.net>

Lynn-

Thursday, March 23, 2006, 7:15:25 PM, you wrote:

> With so many people in the Seattle area, what about an semi-regular

Regarding Seattle and other places, if folks sign on at

www.frappr.com/runtimerevolution

it'll be easier to to mashups because you'll be able to see if there
are others in your area.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Mar 24 15:35:30 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:35:30 -0800
Subject: HyperCard Stack conversion in RR 2.7
In-Reply-To: <2090858B-4B25-4DA9-B65C-2631B386D382@hoosierstamping.com>
References: <C049F18A.4725%paulclaude@postino.it>
	<2090858B-4B25-4DA9-B65C-2631B386D382@hoosierstamping.com>
Message-ID: <59599242.20060324123530@ahsoftware.net>

Michael-

Friday, March 24, 2006, 10:38:38 AM, you wrote:

> I tried that and got back about 4 hits, none of which were the  
> "Opening Hypercard Stack with Revolution 2.7" messages from the Feb.
> archive.

I had the same experience with Google. You might try my ArchiveSearch
plugin in revOnline user space "mwieder" and change the prefs to
search gmane or nabble or both. They both returned hits for this
topic, even though Google came up empty.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Mar 24 15:57:50 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:57:50 -0800
Subject: Ftp and cross platform issues...
In-Reply-To: <4423B2E1.1000103@tweedly.net>
References: <1364814.1143142617794.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>
	<1844514889.20060323210830@ahsoftware.net>
	<4423B2E1.1000103@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <6410939299.20060324125750@ahsoftware.net>

Alex-

Friday, March 24, 2006, 12:50:41 AM, you wrote:

> What would you do with a laptop that sometimes gets used on public
> networks (e.g. Internet cafes, public wifi nets, etc.)?

Touche... I had been thinking of real computers, not laptops <g>.

> I keep Win-XP Firewall on most of the time, and disable it temporarily
> when I have a problem and if it is safe to do so. If I have (e.g. Rev
> FTP problems) while using an unsafe network, I find another way to do it.

My windows boxes are behind *two* sets of piggybacked routers, so I
have an inner and an outer subnet. Back in the Bad Old Days when
hardware routers were expensive I used to use software firewalls, but
maintenance ended up being more trouble than it was worth. Now a
couple of $30 plastic boxes keep my local network traffic local,
they're cross-platform, and my network can be exposed to the internet
24/7 without my having to worry about a thing.

But (sigh) if I had to use a windows laptop I'd probably use the
internal firewall when I went outside to play.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Mar 24 16:15:53 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:15:53 -0600
Subject: Correct Syntax???!!!
In-Reply-To: <B23C9907-5DA5-40B9-994B-A578DBB1DD96@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <44243654.9030508@fourthworld.com>
	<B23C9907-5DA5-40B9-994B-A578DBB1DD96@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <44246189.4020700@hyperactivesw.com>

David Burgun wrote:

>>   on preOpenCard
>>       repeat with i = 1 to the number of flds
>>         if the lockText of fld i is false then
>>            put empty into fld i
>>         end if
>>       end repeat
>>       pass preOpenCard
>>   end preOpenCard
> 
> 
> Yes, but this only works for fields and it only works on *all*  fields, 
> what if you wanted to leave the field untouched from the last  time it 
> was used.

I think the main point is that you can structure this handler any way 
you need to in order to accomplish a generic goal. You don't necessarily 
need to change every field's contents; the handler can check for a field 
property, field contents, a list in a global variable, anything at all, 
and only act when appropriate. There could be default values, updated 
values, values based on a calculation, no value changed, whatever you 
need. It doesn't have to be only fields; you can use the more generic 
"control" keyword and check everything on the card. The idea is that one 
or a few handlers in a central location manage everything. The script 
becomes universal and transportable.

> Maybe a better example is this. I have a preferences stack, one of  the 
> items on it is the unit of measurement, it can be set to MM, CM  or 
> Inches. I have a couple of groups in my Group Library to do with  
> measure. One of them has the following fields:
> 
> [] = a field
> <> = variable value
> 
> [Width:]   [ <value_in_units>]   [<Units>]
> [Height:]  [ <value_in_units>]  [<Units>]
> 
> If the units were set to CM and the values were 100.
> 
> Now the user opens the preferences stack and changes the units to MM.  I 
> want all <Units> values to change from CM to MM and I want 100 CM's  to 
> now be 1000 MM's.
> 
> Using ISM, I would do this in the script for the Value and Units fields:
> 
> ListenForMessage("PrefsMeasureUnits",kMeasureUnits)
> 
> and define the following handlers for the <Units> fields:
> 
> on PrefsMeasureUnits theMessageID, theSubClass, theUnitValue
> set the text of the long id of me to theUnitValue
> end
> 
> and on the <value_in_units> fields:
> 
> on PrefsMeasureUnits theMessageID, theSubClass, theUnitValue
> put CalcualteNewValue(the text of the long id of me, theUnitValue)  into 
> myNewValue
> set the text of the long id of me to myNewValue
> end
> 
> And in the script of the popup menu in the preferences stack, I'd write:
> get ISMPutMessage("PrefsMeasureUnits", kMeasureUnits,theNewUnitsValue)
> 
> And any object in any card on any stack can "listen" for the message,  
> so they all initialize to the correct value. I therefore only need to  
> change the value once, not once for each object.

I think we all do something very similar in most of our stacks, it is a 
very common goal. And since you now have your method working, there's no 
point in changing it. But for those who may be curious, I'd accomplish 
the goal differently and, I think, with less work and far fewer scripts.

I would use Revolution's native system messages to trigger a handler 
which is located in the stack script, the background script, or a 
library script. The system message I'd trap depends on the situation, 
but in this case a preOpenCard message would allow the fields to change 
their content before the card is displayed. Instead of adding a script 
to each field (unnecessary overhead,) I would mark the field in some way 
as "special"; set a property, or (more typically for me) preface the 
field name with particular string. It doesn't matter how these fields 
are differentiated, it only matters that a script can test for the fact 
that they are controls that need to be handled.

Then in my library/stack/background script, I'd have a handler:

on preOpenCard
   doCalcStuff
end preOpenCard

on doCalStuff -- all actual work goes here
   repeat with x = 1 to the number of controls -- or "flds","btns", etc.
     if the uUpdate of control x then <whatever>
   end repeat
end doCalcStuff

A doCalcStuff handler would check the Preferences stack to see what the 
user's measurement preference is, and re-calculate those fields that 
require it before the card opens. It can update both the measurement 
popups as well as the data calculation fields at the same time.

You get the same results, with less scripting and more portability. In 
addition, the fields themselves do not need to take any kind of active 
"listening" role at all, nor do they need any particular scripts; they 
need do nothing. All the updating is handled in a single place -- a 
backscript or similar -- and if you need to change the behavior you only 
need to change the backscript.

The effort required to change a measurement preference is identical to 
the method you are currently working with. The user makes only a single 
selection in the Preferences stack, and in fact no other actions take 
place at that time. There is no performance hit because the actual 
updating doesn't happen until the card is displayed, where the update is 
virtually instantaneous.

Now, I think I know what you will say: what happens if you do need 
everything to update all at once? No problem. You can do that by writing 
your handler to trap a different trigger; for example, trap preOpenStack 
to loop through the cards and run the doCalcStuff handler on each one 
when the stack first opens, or trap preOpenBackground to do the same for 
only a subset of cards. Or trap closeStack in your Preferences stack and 
run the doCalcStuff then; that way when the prefs stack closes, all the 
fields, buttons, controls, whatever are updated when the user changes 
preference settings.

The result is just what you have described, if I understand your method 
correctly. And there is only one script to manage it all. The objects 
themselves need nothing more than a property or a name, and in many 
situations they don't even need that. Sometimes a generic check is all 
you need; i.e., checking to see if the field contains a number, or if 
its owner is a particular group, or if its backgroundcolor is green, or 
its short name is "lbl" (one of my favorite tests, I use it all the time 
to update object labels on the fly.)

> I don't need to open the script editor either! And if I delete an  
> object then messages just stop being sent to it!

The same applies to the above approach. You would need to open the 
script editor if you wanted to change the way doCalcStuff works, in 
either of our methods. With the above approach, a non-existent object 
can't possibly be dealt with in a handler that specifically works with 
existing objects.

> ISM is a library so I am using this technique.

Most libraries do not rely on anything but themselves; if your system 
requires that every object have its own "listening" handler, then it 
isn't really a library, it's more of a whole development system. I would 
think this would be less portable than a true library, which is 
generally comprised of only a single script that does not rely on the 
state of any other objects.

I really don't know
> anything about front or back scripts, and to be honest the lack of  good 
> documentation has put me off looking at them. 

These seem to be pretty well covered in the docs, though the concept is 
so simple there isn't much to say about them. Look up the "insert" 
command for starters. A backscript allows you to insert any script you 
like into the message hierarchy, and is typically how libraries are 
implemented. They allow you to manipulate the message hierarchy at will 
and make use of Revolution's native message passing rules rather than 
trying to add a secondary system on top of the existing one.

Apologies for the long message. As I said, since you have your method 
working now, the above is mostly for anyone who may be interested in a 
more standard xtalk approach.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Mar 24 16:24:47 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:24:47 -0600
Subject: Any Rev VB gurus?
In-Reply-To: <A005A72C-B4C8-4EB8-BC3B-360B227027D5@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <C049BFBF.3856C%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/24/06 12:23 PM, "Thomas McGrath III" <3mcgrath at adelphia.net> wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> I have a stack that is using VB scripts on Windows. I have a few
> interrelated questions and need some advice from someone familiar
> with both. We can take it off list if needed.

I use VB and Rev a lot; I'm ready to help if you need it...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From jhonken at x12.info  Fri Mar 24 16:27:21 2006
From: jhonken at x12.info (Jeff Honken)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:27:21 -0700
Subject: Progress Bar Example
Message-ID: <000001c64f89$bf286fd0$670fa8c0@work1>


I would like to use a "progress bar" to monitor a "go stack URL".  I'm
clueless on how to write the code.  Does someone have an example of this
or can someone please point me in the correct direction. Jeff 




From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Mar 24 16:42:06 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 07:42:06 +1000
Subject: Progress Bar Example
In-Reply-To: <000001c64f89$bf286fd0$670fa8c0@work1>
References: <000001c64f89$bf286fd0$670fa8c0@work1>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603241342v4d6eee75s1204661a9550e984@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/25/06, Jeff Honken <jhonken at x12.info> wrote:
>
> I would like to use a "progress bar" to monitor a "go stack URL".  I'm
> clueless on how to write the code.  Does someone have an example of this
> or can someone please point me in the correct direction. Jeff

I haven't done it using stacks, but I have done it for downloading
pictures from the web and I guess it's much the same. Firstly, you
need to use "load" instead of "go". This is non-blocking and reports
it's status so you can show what's happening.

Here is part of the handler I use to start a download. It sets the
status callback object to a progress bar and then starts loading. When
it is finished, it's going to call the "picDownloaded" handler.


on downloadFile pAddress
  libURLSetStatusCallback "showStatus", the long ID of sb "Progress"
of stack "Download"
  load URL pAddress with message "picDownloaded"
end downloadFile

In the script of the scrollbar, I have this:

on showStatus pURL, pStatus
  if item 1 of pStatus = "loading" then
    put item 2 of pStatus into tNow
    put item 3 of pStatus into tEnd

    if the visible of sb "Progress" = false then
      -- hasn't started yet
      set the endValue of  sb "Progress" to tEnd
      set the thumbPos of  sb "Progress" to tNow
      show  sb "Progress"
    else
      set the thumbPos of  sb "Progress" to tNow
    end if

  else if pStatus = "error" then
    libURLSetStatusCallback
    set the dialogData to empty
    close this stack
   end if
end showStatus

which sets the range of the progress bar and shows it if not already
visible, otherwise it just moves the progress bar. If there is an
error, it gets out.

Back in my download script, I have the handler that gets called after
the download is finished. This is in the same script as the
downloadFile handler:

on picDownloaded pURL, pStatus
    libURLSetStatusCallback
    set the dialogData to URL pURL
    unload URL pURL
 end picDownloaded

This puts the newloy downloaded data into a variable (I'm using the
dialogData as it downloads from a separate dialog stack), and then
unloads the file so that it isn't held in two places of memory at
once.

At this point, you could have a "go to stack pURL" line.

Let me know if this doesn't work or if you have any further questions.

Cheers,
Sarah


From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Fri Mar 24 16:44:33 2006
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:44:33 -0800
Subject: The Business of Software: What is Distribution?
Message-ID: <20060324214438.459EAFB8A0@knife.dreamhost.com>

Hi all,

If you are interested, Ive started writing a series that is posted on my
blog and on Digital Pilon that one day I will compile into a book for new
vendors. The first article is "The Business of Software: What is
Distribution?" It might be useful if you are looking into the shrinkwrap
market. This first one essentially gives an overview of different types of
distributors and the role they play.

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd

Blog version:
http://www.lynnfredricks.com/wp/2006/03/20/the-business-of-software-what-is-
distribution/

Digital Pilon version:
http://www.digitalpilon.com/en/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=30&
Itemid=1




From cmsheffield at gmail.com  Fri Mar 24 17:10:25 2006
From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:10:25 -0700
Subject: running a process in the background
Message-ID: <290B729C-1238-4BF7-AFB3-9A91E32D6C73@gmail.com>

How is this done, or can it be done?  Or maybe this isn't even the  
right question.

Here's what I'm trying to do.  I have a handler that generates a set  
of reports for my application.  That handler can take a while to  
process if there is a lot of data to work with.  So what I'm trying  
to do is display a modal dialog that basically just says "Please  
wait" while the reports are generated.  The "Please wait" dialog also  
has the little chasing arrows animated gif and a Cancel button to  
stop the process if necessary.

Here's what's happening.  The dialog displays just fine, and the  
reports are generated just fine.  But while the work is being done,  
the dialog does not respond in any way.  The chasing arrows do not  
move and I can't click on the Cancel button.  Is there any way around  
this?  The dialog is a substack of the stack that creates the  
reports.  In the openCard handler of the first, and only, card of the  
substack, I have a send "DoReports" in time command.  And that's it.   
Is there any way to do what I want?  Seems like I've seen it done  
before, but can't quite get it working.

Thanks,
Chris


------------------------------------------
Chris Sheffield
Read Naturally
The Fluency Company
http://www.readnaturally.com
------------------------------------------




From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Fri Mar 24 17:11:37 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:11:37 -0800
Subject: Setting up a team...
In-Reply-To: <10D27E1F-6369-4069-9E4F-A4AA675704C2@adelphia.net>
References: <004c01c64f25$45a085d0$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>
	<p0623090ac049d25abca1@192.168.1.103>
	<10D27E1F-6369-4069-9E4F-A4AA675704C2@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603241411n7f8d0366l53fcd75d425145b5@mail.gmail.com>

While I concur that going with an experienced Rev developer as a consultant
is probably the best way to approach this problem/opportunity, I'd suggest
you may need two consultants or a well-coordinated team. Because you really
want, as an end result, an internal team with a good foundational
understanding of Rev. That means you need someone to train one or more of
your team members. It's a rare bird who can both consult and teach/train but
technology transer here feels more important than specific near-term project
completion. If I'm right about that, then I'd bring in a trainer.


On 3/24/06, Thomas McGrath III <3mcgrath at adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> Hire an experienced Revolution Consultant and then program it
> yourself and introduce your team to it in progress. Then you have
> control over the project instead of someone new to REV who will
> probably try to fit Rev into their thinking instead of their thinking
> into Rev. Secondly, the consultant can teach and inform and consult
> on the best practices and usage during the planing stage and if you
> get into trouble they are already familiar with the project and can
> step in to help in the actual programming.
> You team will take the consultants lead and our lead and in the end
> get a great intro to Rev and it's paradigm.
>
> Sounds like a win win to me.
>
> Good luck and as someone on this list told me "Go for it, Just jump
> in and start"
>
> HTH
>
> Tom
>
>
> On Mar 24, 2006, at 11:47 AM, Stephen Barncard wrote:
>
> > Rev is natural to me...But I've been xtalking since 1988.
> > My gut says hire a rev-experienced person first so management can
> > see the thing work sooner. Quicker results = success
> >
> > sqb
> >
> >> At the moment we do websites and that's it. However, we've
> >> recently been
> >> bidding for bigger and bigger jobs that although the customer
> >> thinks "hey,
> >> that'd be cool on a browser", I think that their users (internal
> >> that is)
> >> would feel far happier with a client application. So, as the Tech
> >> director
> >> of the company, it's my job to source the best method of doing
> >> these things.
> >>
> >> Now, I got RunRev as a hobby thing. I like programming and I like the
> >> challenge of new stuff, and this seemed a good toy to take me away
> >> from the
> >> humdrum of office life (busman's holiday I know, but us geeks are
> >> like
> >> that). However while I'm sat in a meeting the other day listening
> >> to some
> >> requirements, it hit me like a bolt that RunRev could do all and
> >> more of
> >> what was required.
> >>
> >> So, totally hypothetical at the moment, but let's say we decided
> >> to write
> >> some stuff in RunRev. We've got a small dev team of three PHP
> >> programmers
> >> and although they may find it fun, we really don't want them to
> >> take their
> >> eye off the ball. So I have a dilemma. Do I go looking for a RunRev
> >> programmer, do I freelance our requirements or do I take someone
> >> on and
> >> train them in the art of Transcript?
> >>
> >> Open discussion really, what would you do?
> >>
> >> Andy.
> >
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Mar 24 17:20:34 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:20:34 -0600
Subject: Custom radio buttons
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20060324085956.0667be10@exchange.slg.com>
Message-ID: <C049CCD2.3857E%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/24/06 9:02 AM, "Peter T. Evensen" <pevensen at siboneylg.com> wrote:

> To me it is a bug.  The standard is  (  ) Text, but there is NO way to get
> Rev to do this.  

Ah, that's different! :-)

I agree with you - we need to have different alignment options for text and
icons. In the meantime, you can set the text alignment of the button as
"right", and then set the margins of the button to scoot the text over. It's
not perfect, and it's not consistent (especially if you are changing text
attributes of the button), but it *is* a workaround.

I suggest you log it as an enhancement suggestion (or bug if you prefer) so
they can address it for a future release of Rev.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From davis.phil at comcast.net  Fri Mar 24 17:32:22 2006
From: davis.phil at comcast.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:32:22 -0800
Subject: Setting up a team...
In-Reply-To: <004c01c64f25$45a085d0$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>
References: <004c01c64f25$45a085d0$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>
Message-ID: <44247376.8020207@comcast.net>

Hi Andy,

Why don't you come to RevCon in June? There you'll be able to meet a ton 
of people of the type you're looking for!

Phil Davis


Andy Calloway wrote:
> At the moment we do websites and that's it. However, we've recently been
> bidding for bigger and bigger jobs that although the customer thinks "hey,
> that'd be cool on a browser", I think that their users (internal that is)
> would feel far happier with a client application. So, as the Tech director
> of the company, it's my job to source the best method of doing these things.
>  
> Now, I got RunRev as a hobby thing. I like programming and I like the
> challenge of new stuff, and this seemed a good toy to take me away from the
> humdrum of office life (busman's holiday I know, but us geeks are like
> that). However while I'm sat in a meeting the other day listening to some
> requirements, it hit me like a bolt that RunRev could do all and more of
> what was required.
>  
> So, totally hypothetical at the moment, but let's say we decided to write
> some stuff in RunRev. We've got a small dev team of three PHP programmers
> and although they may find it fun, we really don't want them to take their
> eye off the ball. So I have a dilemma. Do I go looking for a RunRev
> programmer, do I freelance our requirements or do I take someone on and
> train them in the art of Transcript?
>  
> Open discussion really, what would you do?
>  
> Andy.



From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Fri Mar 24 17:34:18 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:34:18 -0800
Subject: Ftp and cross platform issues...
In-Reply-To: <44244D63.9010307@chipp.com>
References: <1364814.1143142617794.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>
	<1844514889.20060323210830@ahsoftware.net>	<4423B2E1.1000103@tweedly.net>
	<44244D63.9010307@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <p0623090ec04a20981301@[192.168.1.103]>

Wait. Doesn't the term 'Portable Apps' imply some kind of cross-platformness?
I mean, that's why Web based apps were created....

Shouldn't 'Portable' imply 'play anywhere'?


>Alex Tweedly wrote:
>
>>(Plea - auto-updating stacks *should* provide a way to download the 
>>update to somewhere local and up date from there, please. Not only 
>>does it help with this problem, but also helps if you have multiple 
>>machines and a slow network connection - e.g. when your DSL is 
>>down, and you are using your fall-back dial-up connection).
>
>I agree. I'm rewriting my MagicCarpet Auto-updating Architecture to 
>take account for that-- and also allow for the creation of portable 
>apps.
>
>http://portableapps.com/
>
>-chipp

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From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Fri Mar 24 17:37:13 2006
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 22:37:13 +0000
Subject: Progress Bar Example
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860603241342v4d6eee75s1204661a9550e984@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001c64f89$bf286fd0$670fa8c0@work1>
	<f99b52860603241342v4d6eee75s1204661a9550e984@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0A959D2F-C5C6-4913-87DC-CD54762B8223@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 24 Mar 2006, at 21:42, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> On 3/25/06, Jeff Honken <jhonken at x12.info> wrote:
>>
>> I would like to use a "progress bar" to monitor a "go stack URL".   
>> I'm
>> clueless on how to write the code.  Does someone have an example  
>> of this
>> or can someone please point me in the correct direction. Jeff
>
> I haven't done it using stacks, but I have done it for downloading
> pictures from the web and I guess it's much the same. Firstly, you
> need to use "load" instead of "go". This is non-blocking and reports
> it's status so you can show what's happening.

You can show status using "go" as well. libUrlSetStatusCallback works  
for both blocking (e.g. load url) and non-blocking (.e.g. get url)  
calls.

Below is the script of a *very crude* progress palette. The stack  
consists of two fields (one named "url" and the other named  
"status"), and a scrollbar (progress bar) named "progress" . Name the  
stack "url_status" (or anything you want).

Make this stack a substack of your main stack. Then somewhere (e.g in  
your mainstack's preopenstack handler), include the following:

   start using "url_status"

That's it. After that, it should work for all downloads and uploads  
(which may not be what you want).

Cheers
Dave

--------------------------------------------------
local sUrls
----------------------------
on libraryStack
   libUrlSetStatusCallback "urlCallback", the long id of me
   palette me
   hide me
end libraryStack

-------------------------
on releaseStack
   libUrlSetStatusCallback empty
   close me
end releaseStack
---------------------------

on urlCallback pUrl, pStatusString

   show me
   put pUrl into field "url" of card 1 of me
   put item 1 of pStatusString into tStatus
   put tStatus into field "status" of card 1 of me
   put 1 into sUrls[pUrl]
   if tStatus is among the items of "loading,downloading,uploading" then

     put item 2 of pStatusString into tPart
     put item 3 of pStatusString into tWhole
     if tWhole <> empty then

       showProgress tPart,tWhole
     else
       hide scrollbar "progress" of me
       put "," && tPart && "bytes" after field "status" of card 1 of me
     end if
     --unlock screen
   else if tStatus is among the items of  
"loaded,downloaded,uploaded,cached" then
     delete local sUrls[pUrl]
     if the visible of scrollbar "progress" of me then showProgress 1,1
     send "hideStatus" to me in 200 milliseconds ##leave visible for  
short time

   else if tStatus is among the items of "error,timeout" then
     delete local sUrls[pUrl]
     send "hideStatus" to me in 200 milliseconds ##leave visible for  
short time
   else
     hide scrollbar "progress" of me
   end if
end urlCallback
-------------------------
on showProgress pPart,pWhole
   put the endValue of scrollbar  "progress" of me into tMax
   set the thumbPosition of scrollbar "progress" of me to round(tMax  
* pPart / pWhole)
   show scrollbar "progress" of me
   wait 10 milliseconds
end showProgress
-----------------------
on hideStatus
   if keys(sUrls) is empty then
     hide me
   end if
end hideStatus



From scott at proherp.com  Fri Mar 24 18:02:55 2006
From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 10:02:55 +1100
Subject: The Business of Software: What is Distribution?
In-Reply-To: <20060324214438.459EAFB8A0@knife.dreamhost.com>
Message-ID: <000201c64f97$17a345b0$0201010a@royalnexus>

Hi Lynn,


> If you are interested, Ive started writing a series that is 
> posted on my blog and on Digital Pilon that one day I will 
> compile into a book for new vendors. The first article is 
> "The Business of Software: What is Distribution?" It might be 
> useful if you are looking into the shrinkwrap market. This 
> first one essentially gives an overview of different types of 
> distributors and the role they play.

Are you aware that there is already a book called "The
Business of Software"?  It's written by an academic and
is very good.  Maybe a different title...?

Scott

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From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Mar 24 18:12:32 2006
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 23:12:32 +0000
Subject: Ftp and cross platform issues...
In-Reply-To: <6410939299.20060324125750@ahsoftware.net>
References: <1364814.1143142617794.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>	<1844514889.20060323210830@ahsoftware.net>	<4423B2E1.1000103@tweedly.net>
	<6410939299.20060324125750@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <44247CE0.30205@tweedly.net>

Mark Wieder wrote:

>
>My windows boxes are behind *two* sets of piggybacked routers, so I
>have an inner and an outer subnet. Back in the Bad Old Days when
>hardware routers were expensive I used to use software firewalls, but
>maintenance ended up being more trouble than it was worth. Now a
>couple of $30 plastic boxes keep my local network traffic local,
>they're cross-platform, and my network can be exposed to the internet
>24/7 without my having to worry about a thing.
>
>  
>
The two router approach is a very good one. We always used to refer to 
the intermediate network as the DMZ - and eventually realized that the 
younger guys were using the name "DMZ" with no clue what it stood for, 
what it meant, or why we called it that.

That was on of my "I feel old" moments :-)

>But (sigh) if I had to use a windows laptop I'd probably use the
>internal firewall when I went outside to play.
>
Nowadays, I find myself reaching for the touchpad even when I'm using a 
desktop machine - faster than reaching all the way across for the mouse. 
I haven't regularly used anything but a laptop for almost 10 years now.

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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Mar 24 18:13:52 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:13:52 -0600
Subject: running a process in the background
In-Reply-To: <290B729C-1238-4BF7-AFB3-9A91E32D6C73@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C049D950.3858F%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/24/06 4:10 PM, "Chris Sheffield" <cmsheffield at gmail.com> wrote:

> How is this done, or can it be done?  Or maybe this isn't even the
> right question.
> 
> Here's what I'm trying to do.  I have a handler that generates a set
> of reports for my application.  That handler can take a while to
> process if there is a lot of data to work with.  So what I'm trying
> to do is display a modal dialog that basically just says "Please
> wait" while the reports are generated.  The "Please wait" dialog also
> has the little chasing arrows animated gif and a Cancel button to
> stop the process if necessary.
> 
> Here's what's happening.  The dialog displays just fine, and the
> reports are generated just fine.  But while the work is being done,
> the dialog does not respond in any way.  The chasing arrows do not
> move and I can't click on the Cancel button.  Is there any way around
> this?  The dialog is a substack of the stack that creates the
> reports.  In the openCard handler of the first, and only, card of the
> substack, I have a send "DoReports" in time command.  And that's it.
> Is there any way to do what I want?  Seems like I've seen it done
> before, but can't quite get it working.

Here you go:

http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/scrp008.htm

:-)

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Fri Mar 24 18:14:38 2006
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:14:38 -0800
Subject: The Business of Software: What is Distribution?
In-Reply-To: <000201c64f97$17a345b0$0201010a@royalnexus>
Message-ID: <20060324231446.1A327FB192@knife.dreamhost.com>

> Are you aware that there is already a book called "The 
> Business of Software"?  It's written by an academic and is 
> very good.  Maybe a different title...?

Not sweating the title at this point - absolutely the last thing to think
about.

You only need to start with a title if you are producing a movie starring
Freddie Prinze Jr - as that is the best thing that can possibly come out of
it ;-)

You mean the Cusumano book? If so I wouldn't categorize him as an academic.
His Microsoft Secrets book, while now a bit out of date, has some good
nuggets in it about what works at MS (and a few things that don't ;-)).

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd




From jhonken at x12.info  Fri Mar 24 18:18:24 2006
From: jhonken at x12.info (Jeff Honken)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:18:24 -0700
Subject: Progress Bar Example
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860603241342v4d6eee75s1204661a9550e984@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000201c64f99$43197410$670fa8c0@work1>

Sarah,
  Thanks for the reply.  I've tried using 
load stack URL http://www.x12help.com/x12provider.rev" but it errors.
I've only been successful with "go"  Here's the code I'm using in a
button:

on mouseUp
  go stack URL "http://www.x12help.com/x12provider.rev"
end mouseUp

Is there some other syntax for "load" ?

Jeff


           -----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Sarah
Reichelt
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:42 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Progress Bar Example

On 3/25/06, Jeff Honken <jhonken at x12.info> wrote:
>
> I would like to use a "progress bar" to monitor a "go stack URL".  I'm
> clueless on how to write the code.  Does someone have an example of
this
> or can someone please point me in the correct direction. Jeff

I haven't done it using stacks, but I have done it for downloading
pictures from the web and I guess it's much the same. Firstly, you
need to use "load" instead of "go". This is non-blocking and reports
it's status so you can show what's happening.

Here is part of the handler I use to start a download. It sets the
status callback object to a progress bar and then starts loading. When
it is finished, it's going to call the "picDownloaded" handler.


on downloadFile pAddress
  libURLSetStatusCallback "showStatus", the long ID of sb "Progress"
of stack "Download"
  load URL pAddress with message "picDownloaded"
end downloadFile

In the script of the scrollbar, I have this:

on showStatus pURL, pStatus
  if item 1 of pStatus = "loading" then
    put item 2 of pStatus into tNow
    put item 3 of pStatus into tEnd

    if the visible of sb "Progress" = false then
      -- hasn't started yet
      set the endValue of  sb "Progress" to tEnd
      set the thumbPos of  sb "Progress" to tNow
      show  sb "Progress"
    else
      set the thumbPos of  sb "Progress" to tNow
    end if

  else if pStatus = "error" then
    libURLSetStatusCallback
    set the dialogData to empty
    close this stack
   end if
end showStatus

which sets the range of the progress bar and shows it if not already
visible, otherwise it just moves the progress bar. If there is an
error, it gets out.

Back in my download script, I have the handler that gets called after
the download is finished. This is in the same script as the
downloadFile handler:

on picDownloaded pURL, pStatus
    libURLSetStatusCallback
    set the dialogData to URL pURL
    unload URL pURL
 end picDownloaded

This puts the newloy downloaded data into a variable (I'm using the
dialogData as it downloads from a separate dialog stack), and then
unloads the file so that it isn't held in two places of memory at
once.

At this point, you could have a "go to stack pURL" line.

Let me know if this doesn't work or if you have any further questions.

Cheers,
Sarah
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Mar 24 18:22:00 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:22:00 +1000
Subject: Progress Bar Example
In-Reply-To: <000201c64f99$43197410$670fa8c0@work1>
References: <f99b52860603241342v4d6eee75s1204661a9550e984@mail.gmail.com>
	<000201c64f99$43197410$670fa8c0@work1>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603241522r772c43a8n59a45a77667a7bc7@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/25/06, Jeff Honken <jhonken at x12.info> wrote:
> Sarah,
>   Thanks for the reply.  I've tried using
> load stack URL http://www.x12help.com/x12provider.rev" but it errors.
> I've only been successful with "go"  Here's the code I'm using in a
> button:
>
> on mouseUp
>   go stack URL "http://www.x12help.com/x12provider.rev"
> end mouseUp
>

  load URL "http://www.x12help.com/x12provider.rev"

then when it finishes, put the already downloaded data into a variable
& go to it from there:
  put URL "http://www.x12help.com/x12provider.rev" into myStackData
  go stack myStackData

Cheers,
Sarah


From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Fri Mar 24 18:22:47 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:22:47 -0800
Subject: capsLockKey Message?
In-Reply-To: <20060324214438.459EAFB8A0@knife.dreamhost.com>
References: <20060324214438.459EAFB8A0@knife.dreamhost.com>
Message-ID: <44247F47.30907@paraboliclogic.com>

Rev 2.6.1

Greetings,

I see no message for such things as the caps lock, num lock and scroll 
lock keys.

Does anyone know of a way to get a message from these?  Or will I need 
to setup some loop in the stack to test the functions for the results?

If loop, what and how is a loop setup in the stack that won't bog down 
the cpu, and allows everything else to flow as intended?

Thanks,
-Garrett


From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 24 18:25:16 2006
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (Erik Hansen)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:25:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: a rare bird...consult and teach/train 
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603241411n7f8d0366l53fcd75d425145b5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060324232517.61022.qmail@web33015.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



--- Dan Shafer <revolutionary.dan at gmail.com>
wrote:

> It's a rare bird who can
> both consult and teach/train

why is that?

Erik Hansen

erik at erikhansen.org    http://www.erikhansen.org

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From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Mar 24 18:35:04 2006
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 23:35:04 +0000
Subject: FTP and cross platform issues...
In-Reply-To: <B26322D1-A4EB-4B51-B463-C50CF0C2B1E6@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <10558498.1143073871474.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>
	<B26322D1-A4EB-4B51-B463-C50CF0C2B1E6@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <44248228.6030309@tweedly.net>

Dave Cragg wrote:

> Can you get some log data using libUrlSetLogField in the client? This  
> might help pin down where the problem is occurring?
>
How do we call libUrlSetLogField ?


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From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Fri Mar 24 18:36:56 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:36:56 -0800
Subject: Num Lock and Scroll Lock?
In-Reply-To: <44247F47.30907@paraboliclogic.com>
References: <20060324214438.459EAFB8A0@knife.dreamhost.com>
	<44247F47.30907@paraboliclogic.com>
Message-ID: <44248298.6040602@paraboliclogic.com>

Garrett Hylltun wrote:
> Rev 2.6.1
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> I see no message for such things as the caps lock, num lock and scroll 
> lock keys.

Actually, I see no references for Num Lock and Scroll Lock.  Is there 
nothing for these at all?

Thanks,
-Garrett


From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Mar 24 18:41:07 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:41:07 -0600
Subject: [ANN] New Chart App created with 2.7
Message-ID: <44248393.4080102@chipp.com>

Tuesday afternoon, a client asked me if I could create a application for 
him which would automatically generate 'Dial Charts'.

It was completed by Thursday morning. It uses some new objects created 
for it, including altAccordion and altDial. Ad Chris said, if I were try 
to build this in Java, I'd still be sorting out classes. It truly is 
amazing how much you can get done in Rev in a few hours (around 10 hrs 
for this app).

While it's not perfect, it works great and takes advantage of some cool 
new features of Rev 2.7, namely anti-aliased graphics.


An image of it can be found at:
http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/test/Text_Lay.jpg

Free Mac version:
http://gadgetplugins.com/chippstuff/ChartWizard_Setup.dmg

Free PC version:
http://gadgetplugins.com/chippstuff/ChartWizard.zip

Used the following tools to create it:

Interface by Interface Designer
Geometry Management by altLayout plugin
Color picker is a custom color picker object already developed
Accordion control - altAccordion plugin (not yet publically available)
Dial Object - altDial (not yet publically available)

And script editor: Constellation.


-- 
--------------
Chipp Walters
www.altuit.com



From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Fri Mar 24 18:42:09 2006
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 23:42:09 +0000
Subject: FTP and cross platform issues...
In-Reply-To: <44248228.6030309@tweedly.net>
References: <10558498.1143073871474.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>
	<B26322D1-A4EB-4B51-B463-C50CF0C2B1E6@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<44248228.6030309@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <59EE324A-522D-4296-8F1F-DFAE04B384D9@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 24 Mar 2006, at 23:35, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> Dave Cragg wrote:
>
>> Can you get some log data using libUrlSetLogField in the client?  
>> This  might help pin down where the problem is occurring?
>>
> How do we call libUrlSetLogField ?

     libUrlSetLogField the long id of field <whatever>

and to turn off:

     libUrlSetLogField empty

Cheers
Dave







From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Mar 24 18:43:21 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:43:21 -0800
Subject: Ftp and cross platform issues...
In-Reply-To: <44247CE0.30205@tweedly.net>
References: <1364814.1143142617794.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>
	<1844514889.20060323210830@ahsoftware.net>
	<4423B2E1.1000103@tweedly.net>
	<6410939299.20060324125750@ahsoftware.net> <44247CE0.30205@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <4020870910.20060324154321@ahsoftware.net>

Alex-

Friday, March 24, 2006, 3:12:32 PM, you wrote:

> The two router approach is a very good one. We always used to refer to
> the intermediate network as the DMZ - and eventually realized that the
> younger guys were using the name "DMZ" with no clue what it stood for,
> what it meant, or why we called it that.

ROTFL

I was talking with some folks a while back about things we say that
have no meaning to kids these days:

"dialing" a phone...
"you sound like a broken record"...

I still say I'm going to "tape" something on my dvr...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From europe at ehug.info  Fri Mar 24 19:43:49 2006
From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 01:43:49 +0100
Subject: Copy Image to Clipboard broke in 2.7?
In-Reply-To: <44244CA9.3040705@chipp.com>
References: <442314EF.3040707@chipp.com> <4423D7F1.3040001@ehug.info>
	<44244CA9.3040705@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <44249245.5000907@ehug.info>

Chipp,

Even though Mark Waddingham confirmed the "problem", it worked 
in Rev 2.7 running under Mac OS 10.4.5. I was able to paste the 
clipboard in a photo editor. Maybe this is a Windows issue?

Best,

Mark



Chipp Walters wrote:
> Hi Mark,
> 
> Thanks for the try.
> 
> Interesting, never thought about exporting the image to a var. I like it!
> 
> Still doesn't work in 2.7.
> Mark Waddingham contacted me and confirmed the clipboardData is broke 
> but will be fixed in the next update.
> 
> best,
> 
> Chipp

-- 

Consultant and Software Engineer
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http://www.economy-x-talk.com

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users every month. See http://economy-x-talk.com/advertise.html 
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Mar 24 19:53:08 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 10:53:08 +1000
Subject: capsLockKey Message?
In-Reply-To: <44247F47.30907@paraboliclogic.com>
References: <20060324214438.459EAFB8A0@knife.dreamhost.com>
	<44247F47.30907@paraboliclogic.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603241653u197a62e7gf2dad3b4ab0498db@mail.gmail.com>

> I see no message for such things as the caps lock, num lock and scroll
> lock keys.
>
> Does anyone know of a way to get a message from these?  Or will I need
> to setup some loop in the stack to test the functions for the results?
>
> If loop, what and how is a loop setup in the stack that won't bog down
> the cpu, and allows everything else to flow as intended?

I can't see anything that checks numlock or scroll lock, but you can
check "the capsLockKey" to see if it is up or down.

Set up a loop like this:

on checkCaps
    if the capsLockKey = "down" then put "Capslock ON"
    else put "Capslock OFF"

    if the pendingMessages contains "checkCaps" is false then
        send checkCaps to me in 10 ticks
    end if
end checkCaps

What I do is alter the repeat time (set to 10 ticks or 1/6th of a
second above) until it is just fast enough. That way you aren't taking
more of the processor time that you need.

Don't forget to have a way to cancel the message when quitting or when
it is no longer needed.
Here is my general message cancel handler:

on cancelMessage pMsg
    put the pendingMessages into tList
    repeat for each line L in tList
        if item 3 of L contains pMsg then cancel item 1 of L
    end repeat
end cancelMessage

Cheers,
Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Mar 24 19:54:29 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 10:54:29 +1000
Subject: [ANN] New Chart App created with 2.7
In-Reply-To: <44248393.4080102@chipp.com>
References: <44248393.4080102@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603241654m60b72427g80b2e439a5be7f05@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/25/06, Chipp Walters <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:
> Tuesday afternoon, a client asked me if I could create a application for
> him which would automatically generate 'Dial Charts'.
>
> It was completed by Thursday morning. It uses some new objects created
> for it, including altAccordion and altDial. Ad Chris said, if I were try
> to build this in Java, I'd still be sorting out classes. It truly is
> amazing how much you can get done in Rev in a few hours (around 10 hrs
> for this app).
>
> While it's not perfect, it works great and takes advantage of some cool
> new features of Rev 2.7, namely anti-aliased graphics.

Looks great Chipp. Wasn't there someone last week saying that Rev was
no competition for RB/VB because it didn't have dial controls :-)

Cheers,
Sarah


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Mar 24 20:04:29 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:04:29 -0800
Subject: Ftp and cross platform issues...
Message-ID: <4424971D.5040206@fourthworld.com>

Stephen Barncard wrote:

 > Chipp wrote:
 >>I agree. I'm rewriting my MagicCarpet Auto-updating Architecture to
 >>take account for that-- and also allow for the creation of portable
 >>apps.
 >>
 >>http://portableapps.com/
 >
 > Wait. Doesn't the term 'Portable Apps' imply some kind of
 > cross-platformness?
 > I mean, that's why Web based apps were created....
 >
 > Shouldn't 'Portable' imply 'play anywhere'?

In this case the "play anywhere" means you carry it with you wherever 
you go on your USB Flash drive.

For us Rev folks the concept of portability may seem odd, since Rev apps 
are often self-contained anyway.

But remember that a lot of Windows apps made with other tools require a 
small army of DLLs strewn all over the hard drive and a bunch of 
Registry entries to run.

A "portable app" in this context is one which is simply self-contained, 
able to run entirely from a USB Flash drive leaving zero footprint on 
the system it's run on.  Preferences, data files, and the app itself are 
all stored on the removable drive.

And with Rev we can add a level of "play anywhere" most folks claiming 
to deliver "portable apps" can't:  we can put Win, Mac, and even Linux 
executables on the drive, sharing a common data folder there, so the 
user can pop the USB device into nearly any computer on the planet and 
be able to run your app.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com




From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Fri Mar 24 20:57:10 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:57:10 -0800
Subject: Ftp and cross platform issues...
In-Reply-To: <4424971D.5040206@fourthworld.com>
References: <4424971D.5040206@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <p06230912c04a539d085c@[192.168.1.103]>

Great answer, Richard as usual.

And I , as usual was getting my MacEvangelist fur up. No need.

sqb

>Stephen Barncard wrote:
>
>  > Shouldn't 'Portable' imply 'play anywhere'?
>
>In this case the "play anywhere" means you carry it with you 
>wherever you go on your USB Flash drive.
>
>For us Rev folks the concept of portability may seem odd, since Rev 
>apps are often self-contained anyway.
>
>But remember that a lot of Windows apps made with other tools 
>require a small army of DLLs strewn all over the hard drive and a 
>bunch of Registry entries to run.
>
>A "portable app" in this context is one which is simply 
>self-contained, able to run entirely from a USB Flash drive leaving 
>zero footprint on the system it's run on.  Preferences, data files, 
>and the app itself are all stored on the removable drive.
>
>And with Rev we can add a level of "play anywhere" most folks 
>claiming to deliver "portable apps" can't:  we can put Win, Mac, and 
>even Linux executables on the drive, sharing a common data folder 
>there, so the user can pop the USB device into nearly any computer 
>on the planet and be able to run your app.
>
>--
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal

-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -


From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Mar 24 21:54:38 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 20:54:38 -0600
Subject: Copy Image to Clipboard broke in 2.7?
In-Reply-To: <44249245.5000907@ehug.info>
References: <442314EF.3040707@chipp.com>
	<4423D7F1.3040001@ehug.info>	<44244CA9.3040705@chipp.com>
	<44249245.5000907@ehug.info>
Message-ID: <4424B0EE.2060900@chipp.com>

Hi Mark,

Yeah, in my original email I pointed out it was on a PC.

Mark Schonewille wrote:
> Maybe this is a Windows issue?



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Mar 24 22:48:50 2006
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:48:50 -0800
Subject: Dial Control
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860603241654m60b72427g80b2e439a5be7f05@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C049FDA2.36C78%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> Wasn't there someone last week saying that Rev was
> no competition for RB/VB because it didn't have dial controls

No doubt, Chipp will have an alt-announcement about this at RevConWest. :-)

With luck, I'll be making a related announcement at the show as well.  Hope
to see you there.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Fri Mar 24 22:58:58 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:58:58 -0800
Subject: Drawer problem
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860603241653u197a62e7gf2dad3b4ab0498db@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20060324214438.459EAFB8A0@knife.dreamhost.com>	<44247F47.30907@paraboliclogic.com>
	<f99b52860603241653u197a62e7gf2dad3b4ab0498db@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4424C002.20409@paraboliclogic.com>

Rev 2.6.1

Greetings,

drawer stack "htmltext" at right of stack "htmldeveloper" aligned to top

It does not open to the right of the stack, it opens on the left.  In 
fact, I can use "bottom" or "top" and it still opens on the left.  The 
alignment works with no problem.

Am I missing something, or doing something wrong?

Thanks,
-Garrett


From katir at hindu.org  Fri Mar 24 23:04:11 2006
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:04:11 -1000
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603151705r462ad5fdn9133039773b87824@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20060315180004.23F3082638F@mail.runrev.com>
	<44187281.9030805@fourthworld.com> <441893AA.3070407@chipp.com>
	<31e1938c0603151459s4a8b4f16n24e508ae63758cd8@mail.gmail.com>
	<425B1B3B-FB08-4DA7-B091-588A7D615D2D@easynet.fr>
	<31e1938c0603151552m36f7c710h607cf982ea5200a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<70ed6b130603151705r462ad5fdn9133039773b87824@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <85D1490E-6A59-4337-BA53-713E12280DA0@hindu.org>

On Mar 16, 2006, at 8:13 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
> I would imagine one could also set up Apache to use Rev for server- 
> side includes, using settings similar to what's used for Ruby or PHP.


I'm coming in here late on this but it's of great interest and very  
relevant, because somehow, not really knowing any better I just  
stumbled on this two years ago and now we use SSI's which execute Rev  
CGI's throughout our web site.  yes and  double yes.. works great.  
Assuming you have a Rev Engine installed, CHMOD 755 and other cgi's  
are working. There is no "set up" required at all for SSI's

  <!--#include virtual="/cgi-bin/get_story_listing.cgi" -->

or iFrame

<iframe name="archiveIndex" border="0" width="130" height="140" src="/ 
cgi-bin/buildArchivesIndex.cgi">

  We do not see *any* slow down. Of course those CGI's are not doing  
anything very complex. Maybe I'm way out of my depth here and what we  
are doing is very "baby face" compared with the kinds of things you  
are saying RoR can do ...

On Mar 15, 2006, at 3:05 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:
> Furthermore, the execution of that CGI script would require an event
> to be sent via a form button or a JavaScript onLoad() command; it's  
> not just
> automatic.

With SSI exec it *is* automatic. I don't see any execution slow down.  
And there is no round trip to the client server client server  that a  
JavaScript onLoad() does (I think)

Dan, if your definition of a web app really is:

>  a Web *app* consists of a collection of 1 or more
> templates -- HTML files with embedded command and function calls --  
> that
> execute in a server-side scripting language interpreter running on the
> server. All Web pages with this embedded script code are run  
> through the
> scripting language interpreter on the server, where the command is  
> carried
> out and some content is generated to replace the command call  
> before the
> page is sent to the HTTP server to return to the client.

We are *already*  doing this with Rev for several years now (and I'm  
pretty sure I'm not the only one, I got into this with Andu Novac  
when this was all metacard years ago... he still around?) and it  
works great, even without fastCGI...the fact that Rev is called on  
each hit doesn't seem to be an issue at all. Of course my suexec log  
is crazy big and scary for tech support at the data center who threw  
up a "Denial of Service Attack Underway-Change Your
Root Password Now!" red flag when they looked at it... "You mean your  
web pages are calling those CGI's on every hit? Wow, if I tail the  
log those Revolution CGI's are executing every few milliseconds...   
But your site still blazes?" Oh boy... I need to set up a cron to  
null that thing once a day! And, if you ssh in and run top.. the CPU  
shows it is still half a sleep... "kustum Illai" (Tamil) = "no problem"
=======

OK Marty, for us poor "we only know xTalk paupers" if you are  
lurking... I've put up some CGI's  on our site and sent you the URL  
off list (I don't want to post that on this forum... if anyone else  
wants to see them, ask me off list)

Since I am a "coding primitive" you should be able to understand it  
all easily enough. In my old age I'm doing more commenting. The model 
(s) is very simple: if the CGI is an SSI then it executes and builds  
parts of the page before the page is sent. Nothing could be simpler.  
This usually involves fetching some template or  code chunks in the  
SSI folder. I always try to avoid hard coding HTML in the CGI and  
almost always externalize even small chunks to small files. this has  
the advantage that you can delegate code maintenance... someone says  
"Can I add a new link to the side bar" and you say "sure.. just add  
an <li>Some New link</li> to this file" and they never touch the CGI.

And for icing on the coffee cake, and if you combine Rev cgi with XML  
and XSL you have some really interesting possibilities.

Just go to this page:

http://www.himalayanacademy.com/teaching/stories/

When you hit that page, the page itself re-builds the list of stories  
instantly... there is no round trip before  the page is served.

OK now go here:

http://www.himalayanacademy.com/teaching/stories/enter_stories.shtml

and enter a bogus story (no problem I will delete later, this site is  
not public, I mean it's not linked to any top pages, just put your  
name in there somewhere.)

Now go back to

http://www.himalayanacademy.com/teaching/stories/

and you will see your new story added to the list... click on your  
story.. viola, it comes back to you as a web page...tell me if you  
see the slightest delay in the service. Any PHP doing the same thing  
would be 2 to 5 times slower. I put all the related files to this  
little framework in the folder called "stories." and the cgi emails  
me that a story was just entered...

The input page takes form data, the rev CGI grabs an XML template  
pops in the data from the form, saves an XML document that calls an  
XSL stylesheet (that was actually the biggest learning curve, getting  
my head around XSLT) The index page has an embedded call to a Rev CGI  
that simply sets the default directory and then spits back links  
tagged to "the files" ... how easy is that? an xTalk baby could write  
the code, but the possibilities are a big mind boggling. In fact I've  
been kind or "stuck on the fence" as to whether to use this model for  
some site areas, or to use a database model where content is stored  
in a PostGREsql dBase and we pages are built on the fly by calling up  
records... but then I kind of "stumbled" on this little model for  
this stories site and realized it could be scaled up and do the same   
thing using flat files-- i.e. for a finite number of files, the XML- 
XSL flat file respository  with top level xhtml pages with Rev CGI's  
embedded as SSI's could eliminate having to talk any data base. It  
also means the files are accessible for editing directly with FTP vs.  
having to set up some GUI to access the same content from inside  
PostGreSQL .

I can't compare to RoR.. because I don't know it... but as I said  
before... we have not found anything we can't do with Rev. The only  
nuisance is no session variables, but once we get Rev up under  
FastCGI that also goes away. And if we can't get it with FastCGI,  
then on the new server we will do it Pierre's way.. either way we  
will have a Rev Daemon up and running full time.

Of course this could be a case of, like those Japanese... making a  
success out of a bad system... but is sure seems simple and easy. We  
the coders, Apache and the CPU, and remote users all seem to have no  
problem with it. And if you don't know PERL or PHP and Cold Fusion =  
some kind of icecream, And Ruby on Rails is what little boys dop to  
tease goldie locks in kindergarten,  and Java is definitely what you  
drink in the morning, then you don't have much choice. I am awed by  
all of you who know so many languages but at the same time somehow  
thankful that the only language we do know is transcript,  I haven't  
hit any walls yet, and it looks like the sky is the limit.

Sivakatirswami

On Mar 15, 2006, at 3:05 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:

> Furthermore, the execution of that CGI script would require an event
> to be sent via a form button or a JavaScript onLoad() command; it's  
> not just
> automatic.
>
> I am NOT suggesting it would be impossible to remedy these issues  
> in Rev.
> Nor am I suggesting that the overhead of this processing is so  
> onerous that
> using Rev CGI solutions is impractical. All I'm trying to say is  
> that there
> is a pretty fundamental difference here between invoking a script  
> language's
> command directly and being forced to explicitly call a CGI function  
> that in
> turn executs a script command.
>
> Now if I understand things on the Rev side correctly -- and there  
> are a lot
> of folks here who know more about this than I do -- the only way to  
> get a
> Rev script to run is as a CGI. That means, among other things, that  
> you'd
> have to minimally create a text file with a script called "on  
> startup" and
> save that script as an executable CGI script. So you'd end up  
> dealing with a
> text file, permissions, and an indirect call to the contents of the  
> script
> file to accomplish the same thing that one line of embedded Ruby  
> code does
> in RoR. Furthermore, the execution of that CGI script would require  
> an event
> to be sent via a form button or a JavaScript onLoad() command; it's  
> not just
> automatic.
>



From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Sat Mar 25 03:33:38 2006
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 00:33:38 -0800
Subject: Drawer problem
In-Reply-To: <4424C002.20409@paraboliclogic.com>
References: <20060324214438.459EAFB8A0@knife.dreamhost.com>	<44247F47.30907@paraboliclogic.com>
	<f99b52860603241653u197a62e7gf2dad3b4ab0498db@mail.gmail.com>
	<4424C002.20409@paraboliclogic.com>
Message-ID: <7CE2E83C-70AD-460F-8074-A6820A0448D2@elementarysoftware.com>

Garrett,

try it using the word "in" rather than "of"

drawer stack "htmltext" at right in stack "htmldeveloper" aligned to top

-Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust !)
web     http://elementarysoftware.com/
email   scott at elementarysoftware.com

-----------------------------------------------------------------

On Mar 24, 2006, at 7:58 PM, Garrett Hylltun wrote:

> Rev 2.6.1
>
> Greetings,
>
> drawer stack "htmltext" at right of stack "htmldeveloper" aligned  
> to top
>
> It does not open to the right of the stack, it opens on the left.   
> In fact, I can use "bottom" or "top" and it still opens on the  
> left.  The alignment works with no problem.
>
> Am I missing something, or doing something wrong?
>
> Thanks,
> -Garrett
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sat Mar 25 03:43:57 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 18:43:57 +1000
Subject: Dial Control
In-Reply-To: <C049FDA2.36C78%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <f99b52860603241654m60b72427g80b2e439a5be7f05@mail.gmail.com>
	<C049FDA2.36C78%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603250043k5b4d2e40k4fec68658aaabf7f@mail.gmail.com>

> > Wasn't there someone last week saying that Rev was
> > no competition for RB/VB because it didn't have dial controls
>
> No doubt, Chipp will have an alt-announcement about this at RevConWest. :-)
>
> With luck, I'll be making a related announcement at the show as well.  Hope
> to see you there.
>

I would love to be there - even got as far as investigating air fares,
but we're just too far away over here in Oz :-(

I really hope someone videos the keynotes like last year.

Cheers,
Sarah


From livfoss at mac.com  Sat Mar 25 03:53:27 2006
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:53:27 +0100
Subject: Check Box format on XP
Message-ID: <E578DF5A-D362-4A7A-BAE8-DF0446F6C98C@mac.com>

I'm doing a cross-platform app, and the people I'm doing it for like  
the look of the OSX-style check boxes. They say of the Windows XP  
version:

'buttons should be same as Mac - white, then with a black tick on a  
blue background if in use'

I can't find a way to do this - messing with the various colors in a  
tick box doesn't seem to do anything. Is there any way to do this,  
apart from simuating it all with home-grown icons?

TIA

Graham

----------------------------------------
Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sat Mar 25 04:00:37 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 03:00:37 -0600
Subject: Check Box format on XP
In-Reply-To: <E578DF5A-D362-4A7A-BAE8-DF0446F6C98C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C04A62D5.385F6%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/25/06 2:53 AM, "Graham Samuel" <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:

> I'm doing a cross-platform app, and the people I'm doing it for like
> the look of the OSX-style check boxes. They say of the Windows XP
> version:
> 
> 'buttons should be same as Mac - white, then with a black tick on a
> blue background if in use'
> 
> I can't find a way to do this - messing with the various colors in a
> tick box doesn't seem to do anything. Is there any way to do this,
> apart from simuating it all with home-grown icons?

Sorry, Graham... you'll have to do it with homegrown icons...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Sat Mar 25 04:13:19 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 01:13:19 -0800
Subject: Drawer problem
In-Reply-To: <7CE2E83C-70AD-460F-8074-A6820A0448D2@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <20060324214438.459EAFB8A0@knife.dreamhost.com>	<44247F47.30907@paraboliclogic.com>	<f99b52860603241653u197a62e7gf2dad3b4ab0498db@mail.gmail.com>	<4424C002.20409@paraboliclogic.com>
	<7CE2E83C-70AD-460F-8074-A6820A0448D2@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <442509AF.6030502@paraboliclogic.com>

Scott Morrow wrote:
> Garrett,
> 
> try it using the word "in" rather than "of"
> 
> drawer stack "htmltext" at right in stack "htmldeveloper" aligned to top

Scott,

Thank you.  That did the job.  :-)

-Garrett


From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Sat Mar 25 06:15:22 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:15:22 +0000
Subject: Correct Syntax???!!!
In-Reply-To: <44246189.4020700@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <44243654.9030508@fourthworld.com>
	<B23C9907-5DA5-40B9-994B-A578DBB1DD96@dsl.pipex.com>
	<44246189.4020700@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <9A01299D-A2EA-4DF6-BEC5-627D33B716C9@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

On 24 Mar 2006, at 21:15, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> I think the main point is that you can structure this handler any  
> way you need to in order to accomplish a generic goal. You don't  
> necessarily need to change every field's contents; the handler can  
> check for a field property, field contents, a list in a global  
> variable, anything at all, and only act when appropriate. There  
> could be default values, updated values, values based on a  
> calculation, no value changed, whatever you need. It doesn't have  
> to be only fields; you can use the more generic "control" keyword  
> and check everything on the card. The idea is that
> one or a few handlers in a central location manage everything. The  
> script becomes universal and transportable.

But then you need to change the script each time you add a new object  
that needs some specialized initialization. Also you need to ensure  
that the script is copied onto all cards in your Stack, meaning that  
if you have an object of type "X" that needs initialization of type  
"Y" to ensure that the scripts of all cards containing *that* type of  
object are changed.

Using my method, I just drop the new Object into one card, get it  
working, then wherever I want to use that in another card or stack I  
just paste it in and it works! I don't need to change anything else  
anywhere!

Also there is nothing from preventing you from having the "guts' of  
the script in a centralized location and calling it from each object.  
All I am trying to achieve is Object re-use. I develop Groups/Objects  
that can be used *anywhere* without adding/changing anything but the  
Group or Object you have added.

> I would use Revolution's native system messages to trigger a  
> handler which is located in the stack script, the background  
> script, or a library script. The system message I'd trap depends on  
> the situation, but in this case a preOpenCard message would allow  
> the fields to change their content before the card is displayed.  
> Instead of adding a script to each field (unnecessary overhead,) I  
> would mark the field in some way as "special"; set a property, or  
> (more typically for me) preface the field name with particular  
> string. It doesn't matter how these fields are differentiated, it  
> only matters that a script can test for the fact that they are  
> controls that need to be handled.

The script is a property! So we are actually doing the same thing!

> Then in my library/stack/background script, I'd have a handler:
>
> on preOpenCard
>   doCalcStuff
> end preOpenCard
>
> on doCalStuff -- all actual work goes here
>   repeat with x = 1 to the number of controls -- or "flds","btns",  
> etc.
>     if the uUpdate of control x then <whatever>
>   end repeat
> end doCalcStuff
>
> A doCalcStuff handler would check the Preferences stack to see what  
> the user's measurement preference is, and re-calculate those fields  
> that require it before the card opens. It can update both the  
> measurement popups as well as the data calculation fields at the  
> same time.
>
But you are now visiting all the objects whether they need to be  
changed or not or you are specifically hard-coding object names into  
the script so if you delete an object or add a new one, you have to  
change the script. This is what I was trying to avoid. I just want to  
be able to drop a Group or Object into a card and have it work  
without changing anything except (maybe) the object I have just  
dropped in.

> You get the same results, with less scripting and more portability.  
> In addition, the fields themselves do not need to take any kind of  
> active "listening" role at all, nor do they need any particular  
> scripts; they need do nothing. All the updating is handled in a  
> single place -- a backscript or similar -- and if you need to  
> change the behavior you only need to change the backscript.

I really can't see how it's less scripting! I would say my method  
results in *much* less scripting, since I don't need to do any  
scripting at all to add a new measurement control.

> The effort required to change a measurement preference is identical  
> to the method you are currently working with. The user makes only a  
> single selection in the Preferences stack, and in fact no other  
> actions take place at that time. There is no performance hit  
> because the actual updating doesn't happen until the card is  
> displayed, where the update is virtually instantaneous.

Yes, I agree this is the same, except if the preferences stack itself  
needs to change as a result of the users actions (like if they change  
the language from English to Spanish). incidentally

> Now, I think I know what you will say: what happens if you do need  
> everything to update all at once? No problem. You can do that by  
> writing your handler to trap a different trigger; for example, trap  
> preOpenStack to loop through the cards and run the doCalcStuff  
> handler on each one when the stack first opens, or trap  
> preOpenBackground to do the same for only a subset of cards. Or  
> trap closeStack in your Preferences stack and run the doCalcStuff  
> then; that way when the prefs stack closes, all the fields,  
> buttons, controls, whatever are updated when the user changes  
> preference settings.

But using this you are looping thru each card regardless of whether  
they need that type of action or not. With my method only the objects  
that are listening for  the particular action are called and then  
only if that action has changed since the last time it was run.

> The result is just what you have described, if I understand your  
> method correctly. And there is only one script to manage it all.  
> The objects themselves need nothing more than a property or a name,  
> and in many situations they don't even need that. Sometimes a  
> generic check is all you need; i.e., checking to see if the field  
> contains a number, or if its owner is a particular group, or if its  
> backgroundcolor is green, or its short name is "lbl" (one of my  
> favorite tests, I use it all the time to update object labels on  
> the fly.)

Exactly! You have one monster routine that handles everything, and  
you have to change it whenever a new object or a new object type is  
added. I would say that this is very error prone, since when you  
change it you are potentially affecting ALL objects. Say you had  
objects of type A, B, C but the current card only contained types A  
and C. Now you add type Z and change your routine accordingly. You  
test it and see that type A and C still work and so does Z. But  
without knowing it you have added a side-effect that now stops type B  
from working! Two weeks later you add type B and it doesn't work! Now  
you have to backtrack and find out that you added a side-effect to  
Type B.

With my method adding type Z only affects type Z. If type B is not  
being used then there will be no code for it in the stack, when you  
add type B, type B's code gets added.
>
>> I don't need to open the script editor either! And if I delete an   
>> object then messages just stop being sent to it!
>
> The same applies to the above approach. You would need to open the  
> script editor if you wanted to change the way doCalcStuff works, in  
> either of our methods. With the above approach, a non-existent  
> object can't possibly be dealt with in a handler that specifically  
> works with existing objects.

But I would only open the the scripts on the object I have added and  
I wouldn't need to maintain the "doCalcStuff" routine over many  
stacks and cards. Everything that it needed to drive the object is in  
the ISM library or in the object itself. However, in order to not  
dupe code in every object of type "X", you could write a function/ 
hanlder called "doCalcStuffForTypeX" and put it in the stack or card  
script or in a library stack. Then call this from all objects of type  
"X".

>> ISM is a library so I am using this technique.
>
> Most libraries do not rely on anything but themselves; if your  
> system requires that every object have its own "listening" handler,  
> then it isn't really a library, it's more of a whole development  
> system. I would think this would be less portable than a true  
> library, which is generally comprised of only a single script that  
> does not rely on the state of any other objects.

The ISM library does not rely on anything but itself. You only  
require a listening handler if you call ISMListenForMessage() and  
ISMListenForMessage() checks if the handler is defined and returns an  
error if not.

> Apologies for the long message. As I said, since you have your  
> method working now, the above is mostly for anyone who may be  
> interested in a more standard xtalk approach.

I don't see how my way of doing things is in anyway not a standard  
xTalk approach. What we are talking about it the basic Object- 
Oriented programming. The concept of keeping all the house keeping of  
an object in that object and not spread across many different layers.

I guess it's a different way of looking at something and I guess  
people are scared of things that are "different" but there really is  
no need to be. Once I get a chance to do the modifications to ISM I  
will post it on revOnline and you can take a look at it yourself and  
then be in a better position to judge.

All the Best
Dave











From rcozens at pon.net  Sat Mar 25 10:21:39 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 07:21:39 -0800
Subject: Shamelessly Soliciting Windows Developers' Votes II
In-Reply-To: <95C9C13D-E82E-4612-8744-ACE489C1F846@adelphia.net>
References: <95C9C13D-E82E-4612-8744-ACE489C1F846@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <0EB1AF7A-BC13-11DA-925A-0030657E1638@pon.net>

All,

One more reason why Windows developers should vote for TPC compliance, 
then I'll shut up:

Visual Basic developers already have TPC support capabilities available 
to them via Microsoft's TPC SDK.

The longer it takes RRLtd to support the TPC, the greater the advantage 
VB developers have over RR developers on TPC platforms.

You can vote for this at

  <http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=3252>

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From simplsol at aol.com  Sat Mar 25 10:52:34 2006
From: simplsol at aol.com (simplsol at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 10:52:34 -0500
Subject: Enter vs Return
Message-ID: <8C81E3B44956478-1524-5A05@FWM-D31.sysops.aol.com>

I thought this was entered in Bugzilla, but couldn't find it.
I'm hoping someone has come up with a good workaround.
When using the Enter key in a field, I get a return. I want the Enter 
key to simply close the field without adding lines. If I put:

on enterInField
     closeField
end enterInField

in a field, it produces the desired results (the Enter key acts like it 
does in a spreadsheet).
If I put the same handler in the stack script it generally works right.
If I put this handler in a "startusing" library stack is is ignored.

There must be a better way.

Have you solved this? Appreciate your help.
Paul Looney


From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Sat Mar 25 11:05:35 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 16:05:35 +0000
Subject: Rapid Application Development in RunRev - My approach!
In-Reply-To: <E578DF5A-D362-4A7A-BAE8-DF0446F6C98C@mac.com>
References: <E578DF5A-D362-4A7A-BAE8-DF0446F6C98C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <EC0829D9-4883-48D0-BC90-2FEB2C6051F5@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

There has been an ongoing discussion about the best way to structure  
a RunRev Application. I have been programming in RunRev for around 2  
years now and have used a variety of different methods and over the  
course of writing around 8 applications have developed a way of doing  
things that speeds up the development process. I call it ISM (Inter- 
Stack Messaging).

My main goals were:

1.  Object Reusability.
2.  To reduce the time taken to create a new app based on "standard"  
objects.
3.  Make it easy/fast to extend existing apps.

To give an example of the benefits of using the ISM approach I have  
written a case study based on a real app. I describe the steps and  
code I used to to develop Version 1 and Version 2.

All I want is a fast way of developing apps in RunRev, if anyone  
knows of a better way of doing it then I would happily change the way  
I do things, but all the methods I've seen so far I tried and they  
are not as fast as using ISM.

  I (and hopefully others) would find it useful if someone that uses  
a different approach could describe how they would go about doing the  
same thing. But in doing this they should build Version 1 and then  
Version 2, since if you knew what was going to happen in Version 2  
while writing version 1 it would be easy to do the coding so as to  
make Version 2 easier! In other words the app needs to "evolve"

I have posted the Version 1 and Version 2 to the list as separate  
emails called "RAD - Case Study Version 1" and "RAD - Case Study  
Version 1", you are on your honor to look at V1 first and then look  
at V2!

I have a bit more work to do on the ISM library, but once that is  
complete I intend to post it to revOnline along with Version 1 and  
Version 2 of the app described in the case Study.

All the Best
Dave



From mark at maseurope.net  Sat Mar 25 11:06:59 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 16:06:59 +0000
Subject: Enter vs Return
In-Reply-To: <8C81E3B44956478-1524-5A05@FWM-D31.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8C81E3B44956478-1524-5A05@FWM-D31.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <AD24E17D-B4F9-46A5-987B-4EFA5424CD3D@maseurope.net>

Really?

when I put that in the script of a field (or a backscript) I get an  
error : closeField handler not found

on enterInField
select empty
end enterInfield

has always done the trick for me...

Mark

On 25 Mar 2006, at 15:52, simplsol at aol.com wrote:

> I thought this was entered in Bugzilla, but couldn't find it.
> I'm hoping someone has come up with a good workaround.
> When using the Enter key in a field, I get a return. I want the  
> Enter key to simply close the field without adding lines. If I put:
>
> on enterInField
>     closeField
> end enterInField
>
> in a field, it produces the desired results (the Enter key acts  
> like it does in a spreadsheet).
> If I put the same handler in the stack script it generally works  
> right.
> If I put this handler in a "startusing" library stack is is ignored.
>
> There must be a better way.
>
> Have you solved this? Appreciate your help.
> Paul Looney
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From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Sat Mar 25 11:12:15 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 16:12:15 +0000
Subject: RAD - Case Study Version 1
Message-ID: <D1BB3520-AAF5-4DA6-A38D-9C9D1DCA25A6@dsl.pipex.com>

-------------
Case Study - Version 1
-------------
I was asked to create an App containing 3 groups (each group is  
stored in a "standard" Library and is just pasted into a new stack)

A Group (Group_SelectFolder) that handles the selection of a base  
folder.
A Group (Group_FileList) that displays the files in a folder selected  
by Group_SelectFolder and allows one of them to be seleted.
A Group (Group_FileContents ) that displays the contents of the file  
selected in Group_FileList.

The pseudo code (which is actually just a cut down version of the  
real code) is shown below.

------------------------------------
Version 1 - Display contents of a file.
Please note that the setting of the CustomProperties "cpFolderKind"  
and "cpFileKind" are shown here as being initialized in the Script.  
In reality this is commented out and they are set by the developer in  
the Property Inspector.

Also note that this uses "me" as in "put empty into me", this causes  
problems when sending messages to multiple cards and in the real code  
it now reads "set the text of the long id of me to empty". I didn't  
bother to change it here as the former style is easier to read.
------------------------------------
Group_SelectFolder

[Label_Selected]   [Field_FolderPathName]   (Button_Clear)    
(Button_Choose)

Script for Group_SelectFolder:
on ISM_InitializeObject
set the cpFolderKind of me to "FolderKindA"
end ISM_InitializeObject

Script for Field_FolderPathName:
on  ISM_InitializeObject
put empty into me
get ISM_ListenForMessages("msg_FolderSelected",the cpFolderKind of  
the long owner of me)
end  ISM_InitializeObject

on msg_FolderSelected theMessageID, theMessageKind, theFolderPathName
put theFolderPathName into me
end msg_FolderSelected

Script for Button_Clear:
on ISM_InitializeObject
get ISM_ListenForMessages("msg_FolderSelected",the cpFolderKind of  
the long owner of me)
end ISM_InitializeObject

on msg_FolderSelected theMessageID, theMessageKind, theFolderPathName
if theFolderPathName = empty then disable me else enable me
end msg_FolderSelected

on mouseUp
get ISM_PutMessage("msg_FolderSelected",the cpFolderKind of the long  
owner of me, empty)
end mouseUp

Script for Button_Choose:
on mouseUp
answer folder "Select Folder: "
put it into myBaseFolder
if myBaseFolder = empty then exit mouseUp

if char -1 of myBaseFolder <> "/" then
  put myBaseFolder & "/" into myBaseFolder
end if

get ISMPutMessage("msg_FolderSelected",the cpFolderKind of the long  
owner of me,myBaseFolder)
end mouseUp

Group_FileList
[Field_FileList]       [<Field_FilePathNameSelected>]

Script for Group_FileList:
on ISM_InitializeObject
set the cpFolderKind of me to "FolderKindA"
set the cpFileKind of me to "FileKindA"
end ISM_InitializeObject

Script for Field_FileList:
on  ISM_InitializeObject
set the cpCurrentFolder of me to empty
get ISM_ListenForMessages("msg_FolderSelected",the cpFolderKind of  
the long owner of me)
end  ISM_InitializeObject

on msg_FolderSelected theMessageID, theMessageKind,theFolderPathName
put GetFilesFromFolder(theFolderPathName) into me

set hilitedline of me to 1
set the vScroll of me to 0
put line 1 of the text of me into myFileName
get ISM_PutMessage("msg_FileSelected", the cpFileKind of the long  
owner of me, theFolderPathName & myFileName)
set the cpCurrentFolder of me to theFolderPathName
end msg_FolderSelected

on mouseUp
put the clickLine into myClickLine
select myClickLine
put line word 2 of myClickLine of the text of me into myFileName
get ISM_PutMessage("msg_FileSelected", the cpFileKind of the long  
owner of me, the cpCurrentFolder of me & myFileName)
end mouseUp

Script for Field_FilePathNameSelected:
on msg_FileSelected theMessageID, theMessageKind,theFilePathName
put theFilePathName into me
end msg_FileSelected

Group_FileContents
   [<Field_FileContents>]

Script for Group_FileContents:
No Script needed.

Script for Field_FileContents :
on  ISM_InitializeObject
get ISM_ListenForMessages("msg_FolderSelected",the cpFolderKind of  
the long owner of me)
get ISM_ListenForMessages("msg_FileSelected",the cpFileKind of the  
long owner of me)
end  ISM_InitializeObject

on msg_FileSelected theMessageID, theMessageKind,theFilePathName
put GetContentsOfFile(theFilePathName) into me
end msg_FileSelected

on msg_FolderSelected theMessageID, theMessageKind,theFolderPathName
put empty into me
end msg_FolderSelected




From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Sat Mar 25 11:12:30 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 16:12:30 +0000
Subject: RAD - Case Study Version 2
Message-ID: <9F879CCF-19A7-462A-B425-15CF4AE30502@dsl.pipex.com>

Case Study - Version 2

At a later date, I was asked extend the Version 1 of the app so that  
two base folders could be selected (Call them FolderA and FolderB),  
two file lists (FileListA and FileListB) and two file Contents  
(FileContentsA and FileContentsB). The user could then select a file  
from list A and B and then compare the two files on a line by line  
basis high lighting lines that were different in a new group.

Using ISM all I had to do was this:

1. Copy and Paste the existing groups in question -  
Group_SelectFolder, Group_SelectFile and Group_FileContents so there  
were now two of each.

2. Arrange the new groups nicely in the window.

3. Change any user visible text to read A and B as appropriate.

4. Change the custom properties "cpFolderKind" and "cpFileKind" so  
that the new groups now read FolderKindB and FileKindB.

That's all I needed to do to get the basic functionality of having 2  
x Base Folders, 2 x FIle Lists and 2 x File Contents working. (I  
repeated this action just now in a test stack and it took less than 5  
minutes).

With this working, I needed to add a new Group to do the compare. The  
pseudo code for this (very close to the real code) is shown below  
marked as Version 2.


Version 2 - Compare files
There are two versions of each of the groups shown in Version 1  
already in the card/stack.

Please note that the setting of the CustomProperties "cpFolderKind"  
and "cpFileKind" are shown here as being initialized in the Script.  
In reality this is commented out and they are set by the developer in  
the Property Inspector.

Also note that this uses "me" as in "put empty into me", this causes  
problems when sending messages to multiple cards and in the real code  
it now reads "set the text of the long id of me to empty". I didn't  
bother to change it here as the former style is easier to read.
------------------------------------
  [Field_FileCompareResults]   (Button_FileCompare)

Group_FileCompare

Script for Group_FileCompare:

on ISM_InitializeObject
set the cpFolderKindA of me to "FolderKindA"
set the cpFolderKindB of me to "FolderKindB"

set the cpFileAValidFlag of me to false
set the cpFileBValidFlag of me to false
end ISM_InitializeObject


Script for Button_FileCompare:

on ISM_InitializeObject
disable me
get ISM_ListenForMessages("msg_FolderSelected",the cpFolderKindA of  
the long owner of me)
get ISM_ListenForMessages("msg_FolderSelected",the cpFolderKindB of  
the long owner of me)

get ISM_ListenForMessages("msg_FileSelected",the cpFileKindA of the  
long owner of me)
get ISM_ListenForMessages("msg_FileSelected",the cpFileKindB of the  
long owner of me)
end ISM_InitializeObject

on msg_FolderSelected theMessageID, theMessageKind, theFolderPathName
disable me
if theMessageKind = the cpFolderKindA of the long owner of me then
   set the cpFileAValidFlag of the long owner of me to false
else
   set the cpFileBValidFlag of the long owner of me to false
end if
end msg_FolderSelected

on msg_FileSelected theMessageID, theMessageKind, theFilePathName
if theMessageKind = the cpFileKindA of the long owner of me then
   set the cpFileAPathName of the long owner of me to theFilePathName
   set the cpFileAValidFlag of the long owner of me to true
else
   set the cpFileBPathName of the long owner of me to theFilePathName
   set the cpFileBValidFlag of the long owner of me to true
end if

if (the cpFileAValidFlag of the long owner of me = true) and (the  
cpFileBValidFlag of the long owner of me = true) then
   enable me
else
   disable me
end if
end msg_FileSelected

on mouseUp
get ISM_PutMessage("msg_FileCompare", "KindCompareLines", the  
cpFileAPathName of the long owner of me & "|" & the cpFileBPathName  
of the long owner of me)
end mouseUp

Script for Field_FileContents:

on ISM_InitializeObject
put empty into me
get ISM_ListenForMessages("msg_FileCompare","KindCompareLines")
end ISM_InitializeObject

on msg_FileCompare theMessageID, theMessageKind, theFilesToCompare
set the itemDelimiter to "|"
put CompareFiles(item 1 of theFilesToCompare,item 2 of  
theFilesToCompare) into myDifferentLinesList
set the hilitedlines of the text of me to myDifferentLinesList
end msg_FileCompare

on msg_FolderSelected theMessageID, theMessageKind, theFolderPathName
put empty into me
if theMessageKind = the cpFolderKindA of the long owner of me then
   set the cpFileAValidFlag of the long owner of me to false
else
   set the cpFileBValidFlag of the long owner of me to false
end if
end msg_FolderSelected

on msg_FileSelected theMessageID, theMessageKind, theFilePathName
put empty into me
end msg_FolderSelected




From simplsol at aol.com  Sat Mar 25 11:19:15 2006
From: simplsol at aol.com (simplsol at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:19:15 -0500
Subject: Correct Syntax???!!!
Message-ID: <8C81E3EFE62A7A0-1524-5B06@FWM-D31.sysops.aol.com>

Dave Burgun wrote:
 [snip]
  I don't see how my way of doing things is in anyway not a standard 
xTalk approach. What we are talking about it the basic Object-Oriented 
programming. The concept of keeping all the house keeping of an object 
in that object and not spread across many different layers
 [snip]

  Actually the way you do it ignores one of the most powerful aspects of 
OOP in xTalks, "inheritance".

  If a unique object has a unique handler there is no harm in putting 
the handler in that object. But if the same code is being used by 
multiple objects it helps in many ways to centralize it:
 1. it is easier to update
 2. it is easier to debug
 3. it is easier to maintain
  4. it is more reliable (it works for all objects or no objects - not 
just some objects)
 5. you won't accidentally forget it on a new object
 6. etc.

  One of the problems in xTalk scripting is that handlers can be spread 
across multiple objects anywhere in the message path. Makes it hard to 
debug some else's code - or even code I wrote myself last year. Using 
central library scripts help solve this.

  Your concern about looping through all of the objects on a card (or 
even all of the cards in a stack) does not, in my experience, outweigh 
the benefits of the central library. Modern computers with RISC chips 
are optimized for repeat loops, they do massive repeats in milliseconds 
(I can update all of the 300+ fields on a card in 82 milliseconds - and 
today's computers are twice as fast as mine).

  You are certainly free to use what works best for you or what you are 
most comfortable using but I think Jacque offered excellent advice. I'd 
like to see this as a "style" section in future documentation. I wish I 
had started using this approach instead of "learning the hard way".

  Paul Looney


From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Sat Mar 25 11:31:42 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 16:31:42 +0000
Subject: Correct Syntax???!!!
In-Reply-To: <8C81E3EFE62A7A0-1524-5B06@FWM-D31.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8C81E3EFE62A7A0-1524-5B06@FWM-D31.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <DFC97C02-07AC-48C1-8A51-17F70637680E@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi.

Not really, you can have any object "Listen", for instance you could  
have the Group or the Card or the Stack Listen and then the message  
will be sent to that Object instead. You would then process the  
objects "below" the current object.

Also you could have all handlers in the control call a common routine  
in the stack, card, group or in a library. Just because the Control  
handler is located in Object script doesn't mean it can't call code  
located elsewhere. Using ISM you get the best of both worlds.

On 25 Mar 2006, at 16:19, simplsol at aol.com wrote:

> Dave Burgun wrote:
> [snip]
>  I don't see how my way of doing things is in anyway not a standard  
> xTalk approach. What we are talking about it the basic Object- 
> Oriented programming. The concept of keeping all the house keeping  
> of an object in that object and not spread across many different  
> layers
> [snip]
>
>  Actually the way you do it ignores one of the most powerful  
> aspects of OOP in xTalks, "inheritance".
>
>  If a unique object has a unique handler there is no harm in  
> putting the handler in that object. But if the same code is being  
> used by multiple objects it helps in many ways to centralize it:
> 1. it is easier to update
> 2. it is easier to debug
> 3. it is easier to maintain
>  4. it is more reliable (it works for all objects or no objects -  
> not just some objects)
> 5. you won't accidentally forget it on a new object
> 6. etc.
>

>  One of the problems in xTalk scripting is that handlers can be  
> spread across multiple objects anywhere in the message path. Makes  
> it hard to debug some else's code - or even code I wrote myself  
> last year. Using central library scripts help solve this.

Yes I do this too! ISM doesn't stop you from doing this!

>
>  Your concern about looping through all of the objects on a card  
> (or even all of the cards in a stack) does not, in my experience,  
> outweigh the benefits of the central library. Modern computers with  
> RISC chips are optimized for repeat loops, they do massive repeats  
> in milliseconds (I can update all of the 300+ fields on a card in  
> 82 milliseconds - and today's computers are twice as fast as mine).

This way you can have a Centralized Library AND NOT have to loop thru  
the objects! You get the best of both worlds!

>
>  You are certainly free to use what works best for you or what you  
> are most comfortable using but I think Jacque offered excellent  
> advice. I'd like to see this as a "style" section in future  
> documentation. I wish I had started using this approach instead of  
> "learning the hard way".

In my experience I can develop apps much faster using my approach and  
none of the points above apply, since I use them *AND* have  
centralized control. But see the case study I have posted if you are  
interested.

All the Best
Dave










From claudi at fiberworld.nl  Sat Mar 25 11:32:29 2006
From: claudi at fiberworld.nl (Claudi Cornaz)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 17:32:29 +0100
Subject: Paragraph Level Text Formatting
In-Reply-To: <31e1938c0603231146w1c863d81p2bdacc5ad6c6829c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <23c.9253b0a.31544ecc@aol.com>
	<31e1938c0603231146w1c863d81p2bdacc5ad6c6829c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53e075257b0c242927d8d34df4ce7cf1@fiberworld.nl>

I am very interested in this aswell since I will be needing this in the 
near future.
So for me it will certainly be worthy.

Best wishes
Claudi

Op 23-mrt-06 om 20:46 heeft Jonathan Lynch het volgende geschreven:

> My faerie tale generator stack (still incomplete) handles inputting 
> text
> that allows formatted text to flow between fields in a series. The 
> fields
> can be shaped however you wish.
>
> I sent it to Ken to check out. If he thinks it worthy, I will post it 
> online
> whereever he suggests.
>
>
> For my uses, it works quite well.
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From simplsol at aol.com  Sat Mar 25 11:33:39 2006
From: simplsol at aol.com (simplsol at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:33:39 -0500
Subject: Enter vs Return
In-Reply-To: <AD24E17D-B4F9-46A5-987B-4EFA5424CD3D@maseurope.net>
References: <8C81E3B44956478-1524-5A05@FWM-D31.sysops.aol.com>
	<AD24E17D-B4F9-46A5-987B-4EFA5424CD3D@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <8C81E4101DDA630-1524-5BA0@FWM-D31.sysops.aol.com>

Mark,
on enterInField
select empty
end enterInfield

worked perfectly. Solved a host of problems.
Thank you.
Paul Looney

Everyone,
Isn't the current behavior of Enter (doing a return) wrong?
If I am the only one who thinks so, I'll work around it with Mark's 
cure. Otherwise I'll bugzilla it (thought it had been entered in 
Bugzilla already).
PL

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Smith <mark at maseurope.net>
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 16:06:59 +0000
Subject: Re: Enter vs Return

   Really??
?
  when I put that in the script of a field (or a backscript) I get an 
error : closeField handler not found?
?
 on enterInField?
 select empty?
 end enterInfield?
?
 has always done the trick for me...?
?
 Mark?
?
 On 25 Mar 2006, at 15:52, simplsol at aol.com wrote:?
?
 > I thought this was entered in Bugzilla, but couldn't find it.?
 > I'm hoping someone has come up with a good workaround.?
  > When using the Enter key in a field, I get a return. I want the > 
Enter key to simply close the field without adding lines. If I put:?
 >?
 > on enterInField?
 > closeField?
 > end enterInField?
 >?
  > in a field, it produces the desired results (the Enter key acts > 
like it does in a spreadsheet).?
  > If I put the same handler in the stack script it generally works > 
right.?
 > If I put this handler in a "startusing" library stack is is ignored.?
 >?
 > There must be a better way.?
 >?
 > Have you solved this? Appreciate your help.?
 > Paul Looney?
 > _______________________________________________?
 > use-revolution mailing list?
 > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com?
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Mar 25 12:21:45 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:21:45 -0800
Subject: Enter vs Return
Message-ID: <44257C29.4050506@fourthworld.com>

Paul wrote:
> Everyone,
> Isn't the current behavior of Enter (doing a return) wrong?
> If I am the only one who thinks so, I'll work around it with Mark's 
> cure. Otherwise I'll bugzilla it (thought it had been entered in 
> Bugzilla already).

I don't believe the behavior's changed, and it's easy enough to have any 
other behavior you want.

But unfortunately if you want to ever support the other 90+% who use 
Windows, you will only confuse them if you have different behaviors for 
Enter and Return:

It seems everyone who designs PC keyboards are all under 25 years of 
age, having never seen nor heard of a typewriter, which would explain 
why they exhibit no understanding of the origin of the Return key on 
their keyboards:

<http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user/73566/match=typewriter>



PS: Oddly enough, while I can find that post easily on GMane and Nabble, 
searching for "typewriter" in the Rev list archives comes up empty.

Not to RunRev: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE add your own search on your 
archives.  Outside services like Google have no obligation to index all 
of your content, and many searches with it produce incomplete results.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Sat Mar 25 12:35:51 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 17:35:51 +0000
Subject: libraryStack question
In-Reply-To: <44257C29.4050506@fourthworld.com>
References: <44257C29.4050506@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <03C04084-D989-49FE-A979-BC97D83BB146@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

Is there any way of getting the stack that caused the "libraryStack"  
message to be generated?

e.g: the stack that executed the "start using" command:

on libraryStack

--
--  I would like to get the stack that caused this handler to be called
--
end  libraryStack

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave



From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Sat Mar 25 12:52:36 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 17:52:36 +0000
Subject: start using and standalones??
In-Reply-To: <44257C29.4050506@fourthworld.com>
References: <44257C29.4050506@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <AA52C883-F23E-466B-90D0-0B8E70F23B53@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

I have been experimenting with "start using" in the IDE:

If I have 2 stacks (mainStacks), Test1 and Test2.

If I do: start using "LibStack" in Test1, I can then access functions  
in "LibStack" from either Test1 or Test 2.

If I do: stop using "LibStack| in Test1 or Test2 then I cannot access  
functions in LibStack from either stack.

Is this the same if I had a standalone app?

I usually ship my RunRev apps as a number of discrete .rev files and  
use a Dummy Splash Screen Stack which I build into a Standalone and  
launch this to get the ball rolling.

In this case would I need to perform the start using in all stacks  
that use the library or just once?

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave



From mark at maseurope.net  Sat Mar 25 12:55:11 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 17:55:11 +0000
Subject: libraryStack question
In-Reply-To: <03C04084-D989-49FE-A979-BC97D83BB146@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <44257C29.4050506@fourthworld.com>
	<03C04084-D989-49FE-A979-BC97D83BB146@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <68B1D359-5FD7-4EBA-B403-5BF4A9E357B1@maseurope.net>

Try

On libraryStack
   put the executionContexts
end libraryStack

You should see the info you want in the message box.

This is undocumented (ie. not in the docs) as it's used by RunRev in  
their own development, and as such, we don't know whether it will  
change in future, and break a script that depends on it, so Caveat  
Emptor...

Mark

On 25 Mar 2006, at 17:35, David Burgun wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Is there any way of getting the stack that caused the  
> "libraryStack" message to be generated?
>
> e.g: the stack that executed the "start using" command:
>
> on libraryStack
>
> --
> --  I would like to get the stack that caused this handler to be  
> called
> --
> end  libraryStack
>
> Thanks a lot
> All the Best
> Dave
>
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From mark at maseurope.net  Sat Mar 25 12:59:17 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 17:59:17 +0000
Subject: start using and standalones??
In-Reply-To: <AA52C883-F23E-466B-90D0-0B8E70F23B53@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <44257C29.4050506@fourthworld.com>
	<AA52C883-F23E-466B-90D0-0B8E70F23B53@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <D00118BE-32AA-41E0-9FCB-1E27AD16F51E@maseurope.net>

I believe 'start using' puts the script of it's object at the back of  
the message path, so is effectively global.
'Stop using' removes it again, so it should only be necessary to  
'start using' once, at start up.

Mark


On 25 Mar 2006, at 17:52, David Burgun wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have been experimenting with "start using" in the IDE:
>
> If I have 2 stacks (mainStacks), Test1 and Test2.
>
> If I do: start using "LibStack" in Test1, I can then access  
> functions in "LibStack" from either Test1 or Test 2.
>
> If I do: stop using "LibStack| in Test1 or Test2 then I cannot  
> access functions in LibStack from either stack.
>
> Is this the same if I had a standalone app?
>
> I usually ship my RunRev apps as a number of discrete .rev files  
> and use a Dummy Splash Screen Stack which I build into a Standalone  
> and launch this to get the ball rolling.
>
> In this case would I need to perform the start using in all stacks  
> that use the library or just once?
>
> Thanks a lot
> All the Best
> Dave
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
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From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Sat Mar 25 13:03:46 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 18:03:46 +0000
Subject: libraryStack question
In-Reply-To: <68B1D359-5FD7-4EBA-B403-5BF4A9E357B1@maseurope.net>
References: <44257C29.4050506@fourthworld.com>
	<03C04084-D989-49FE-A979-BC97D83BB146@dsl.pipex.com>
	<68B1D359-5FD7-4EBA-B403-5BF4A9E357B1@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <1DAC84BE-92AE-4D8A-BB4D-9B430B372770@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

I tried that and I get is this:

stack "/Users/Dave/Desktop/TestLib/Lib.rev",libraryStack,8

The name of the stack that did the start using is "Test1", so I don't  
think this is what I want.

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave


On 25 Mar 2006, at 17:55, Mark Smith wrote:

> Try
>
> On libraryStack
>   put the executionContexts
> end libraryStack
>
> You should see the info you want in the message box.
>
> This is undocumented (ie. not in the docs) as it's used by RunRev  
> in their own development, and as such, we don't know whether it  
> will change in future, and break a script that depends on it, so  
> Caveat Emptor...
>
> Mark
>
> On 25 Mar 2006, at 17:35, David Burgun wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Is there any way of getting the stack that caused the  
>> "libraryStack" message to be generated?
>>
>> e.g: the stack that executed the "start using" command:
>>
>> on libraryStack
>>
>> --
>> --  I would like to get the stack that caused this handler to be  
>> called
>> --
>> end  libraryStack
>>
>> Thanks a lot
>> All the Best
>> Dave
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Mar 25 13:04:34 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 10:04:34 -0800
Subject: Ftp and cross platform issues...
In-Reply-To: <4424971D.5040206@fourthworld.com>
References: <4424971D.5040206@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <362941489.20060325100434@ahsoftware.net>

Richard-

Friday, March 24, 2006, 5:04:29 PM, you wrote:

> A "portable app" in this context is one which is simply self-contained,
> able to run entirely from a USB Flash drive leaving zero footprint on
> the system it's run on.  Preferences, data files, and the app itself are
> all stored on the removable drive.

Speaking of which, I was recently out of town for a bit over a week.
Before leaving home I copied my rev directory to my keychain, then
popped it into a different computer when I arrived, and I was good to
go. Made it a bit less of a vacation since I actually got work done...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Mar 25 13:05:21 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:05:21 -0600
Subject: Correct Syntax???!!!
In-Reply-To: <9A01299D-A2EA-4DF6-BEC5-627D33B716C9@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <44243654.9030508@fourthworld.com>
	<B23C9907-5DA5-40B9-994B-A578DBB1DD96@dsl.pipex.com>
	<44246189.4020700@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9A01299D-A2EA-4DF6-BEC5-627D33B716C9@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <44258661.4080103@hyperactivesw.com>

David Burgun wrote:

 > But then you need to change the script each time you add a new object
 > that needs some specialized initialization.

In a centralized location. With your method, you need to change the 
script of each object. In either case, you have to change a script. I 
don't see much difference there, except that in your case you have to 
remember every object that has a listening script and change each one. 
And you also have to add an extra handler to each object script that my 
method doesn't require.


 > Also you need to ensure
 > that the script is copied onto all cards in your Stack, meaning that  if
 > you have an object of type "X" that needs initialization of type  "Y" to
 > ensure that the scripts of all cards containing *that* type of  object
 > are changed.

This is where I think you misunderstand object inheritance, message 
hierarchy, backscripts, libraries, etc. You don't need to make any 
changes with my method except to one script in a central location. You 
do not need to add scripts to any new objects. You don't need a card 
script for each card. As a matter of fact, adding individual scripts to 
any object is exactly the behavior my method avoids.

 >
 > Using my method, I just drop the new Object into one card, get it
 > working, then wherever I want to use that in another card or stack I
 > just paste it in and it works! I don't need to change anything else
 > anywhere!

Maybe I still don't understand what your method does. But I believe my 
method is identical, except that I don't need to get the new object 
"working". It just works without any scripting of its own, provided it 
is supposed to do what other similar objects do.

 > The script is a property! So we are actually doing the same thing!

Not exactly.  A script needs to be written and debugged; as you say, you 
need to get it "working". A property like the name simply has to be set 
once. There is no chance for error.

 > But you are now visiting all the objects whether they need to be
 > changed or not or you are specifically hard-coding object names into
 > the script so if you delete an object or add a new one, you have to
 > change the script.

No, there is no hard-coding of object names in the script anywhere. That 
is always a bad idea and always to be avoided. And the script example I 
posted deals transparently with new objects, deleted objects, and 
existing objects. You don't have to do anything.

As for visiting each object, this isn't much of an issue given 
Revolution's engine speed; I have successfully updated thousands of 
objects in a preopenstack handler in only a few ticks. With your method, 
there must be some way for the "listening" objects to know they are 
supposed to listen. The only way you can do that without scanning all 
objects in the stack is to keep a list somewhere of which objects need 
to be triggered, and use "send" to send an instruction to each object in 
the list in order to trigger that response. The "send" command has a 
high overhead; I'd guess that with a long list of objects to trigger 
your method could take as much time or longer than a simple repeat scan. 
Another disadvantage to keeping such a list is that you have yet another 
detail to maintain in your setup.

 > This is what I was trying to avoid. I just want to
 > be able to drop a Group or Object into a card and have it work  without
 > changing anything except (maybe) the object I have just  dropped in.

My method works identically. The only difference is that I can use a 
central library that is easy to share with other stacks and I don't need 
to change individiual object scripts or debug them.

 >
 >> You get the same results, with less scripting and more portability.
 >> In addition, the fields themselves do not need to take any kind of
 >> active "listening" role at all, nor do they need any particular
 >> scripts; they need do nothing. All the updating is handled in a
 >> single place -- a backscript or similar -- and if you need to  change
 >> the behavior you only need to change the backscript.
 >
 >
 > I really can't see how it's less scripting! I would say my method
 > results in *much* less scripting, since I don't need to do any
 > scripting at all to add a new measurement control.

Again, I think there's a misperception of how backscripts and stack 
scripts use inheritance. My method does not require scripts in any 
object; it needs only one script in a shared location. In a stack with 
100 "listening" objects, your method requires 100 object scripts plus a 
control script somewhere to trigger them. My method requires one script 
located at the root of the hierarchy.


 > Exactly! You have one monster routine that handles everything, and  you
 > have to change it whenever a new object or a new object type is  added.
 > I would say that this is very error prone, since when you  change it you
 > are potentially affecting ALL objects.


No. You have one master *script* -- not one monster handler -- that can 
be comprised of any number of smaller handlers. Each smaller handler 
will manage all objects that share a behavior. If many objects share the 
same behavior, then you have saved yourself many separate scripts in 
individual objects. And any time you add or remove an object that uses 
one of these handlers, you don't have to change the master script in any 
way, nor do you have to add a script if you create a new, similar object.

 > Say you had  objects of type A,
 > B, C but the current card only contained types A  and C. Now you add
 > type Z and change your routine accordingly. You  test it and see that
 > type A and C still work and so does Z. But  without knowing it you have
 > added a side-effect that now stops type B  from working! Two weeks later
 > you add type B and it doesn't work! Now  you have to backtrack and find
 > out that you added a side-effect to  Type B.

This would not happen; the master script does not reside on the card.

I'll snip the rest; I really didn't mean to start an argument. And I get 
the feeling that neither of us really understands the other's method, so 
I probably shouldn't keep talking. I only wanted to point out to those 
who may still be following this that your method adds some overhead and 
a degree of complexity that isn't necessary, and it ignores the native 
message path and object inheritance that Revolution depends on for 
efficiency. Using Revolution's native techniques, I believe, will be 
simpler and more productive. But if you have found a way to do something 
you like, that's fine with me. I certainly have no argument with that, 
and it is proof that Rev can be used in so many ways that it can 
accomodate all styles and scripting techniques. If you like how your 
method works, that's great. Really, I don't have an disagreement with that.

 > I guess it's a different way of looking at something and I guess  people
 > are scared of things that are "different" but there really is  no need
 > to be.

Sigh. No, I'm not scared of "different" things. You've been using xtalk 
for 2 years, I've been using it for 21 years. I have pretty much figured 
out, I think, which methods work best. In my HyperCard days, someone 
told me once that I wrote the most elegant and efficient code they had 
ever seen. I don't usually toot my own horn, but that was something that 
made me very proud. I have spent quite a bit of time figuring out what 
works and I use those methods in my professional work. But I have no 
"fear" of any experimental method you choose to use. I probably won't 
use it myself, as it doesn't seem to be the best use of the xtalk 
paradigm, but feel free by all means.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Sat Mar 25 13:10:06 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 18:10:06 +0000
Subject: start using and standalones??
In-Reply-To: <D00118BE-32AA-41E0-9FCB-1E27AD16F51E@maseurope.net>
References: <44257C29.4050506@fourthworld.com>
	<AA52C883-F23E-466B-90D0-0B8E70F23B53@dsl.pipex.com>
	<D00118BE-32AA-41E0-9FCB-1E27AD16F51E@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <C3E97057-21C7-4CD0-ABAF-38829E7277FF@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

Yes, I think you are right from my experimenting.

I would like to be able to to only stop using a stack when the last  
stack that did a start using calls stop using!

Do you think that this would work?

global gLibStackUsageCount

function UtilStartUsing()
add 1 to gLibStackUsageCount
start using "LibStack"
end UtilStartUsing


function UtilStopUsing
subtract 1 from gLibStartUsageCount

if gLibStackUsageCount <= 0 then
   stop using "LibStack"
end if
end UtilStopUsing

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave


On 25 Mar 2006, at 17:59, Mark Smith wrote:

> I believe 'start using' puts the script of it's object at the back  
> of the message path, so is effectively global.
> 'Stop using' removes it again, so it should only be necessary to  
> 'start using' once, at start up.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 25 Mar 2006, at 17:52, David Burgun wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have been experimenting with "start using" in the IDE:
>>
>> If I have 2 stacks (mainStacks), Test1 and Test2.
>>
>> If I do: start using "LibStack" in Test1, I can then access  
>> functions in "LibStack" from either Test1 or Test 2.
>>
>> If I do: stop using "LibStack| in Test1 or Test2 then I cannot  
>> access functions in LibStack from either stack.
>>
>> Is this the same if I had a standalone app?
>>
>> I usually ship my RunRev apps as a number of discrete .rev files  
>> and use a Dummy Splash Screen Stack which I build into a  
>> Standalone and launch this to get the ball rolling.
>>
>> In this case would I need to perform the start using in all stacks  
>> that use the library or just once?
>>
>> Thanks a lot
>> All the Best
>> Dave
>>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Mar 25 13:13:24 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 10:13:24 -0800
Subject: libraryStack question
Message-ID: <44258844.5030900@fourthworld.com>

David Burgun wrote:
 > Mark Smith wrote:
 >> Try
 >>
 >> On libraryStack
 >>   put the executionContexts
 >> end libraryStack
 >
 > I tried that and I get is this:
 >
 > stack "/Users/Dave/Desktop/TestLib/Lib.rev",libraryStack,8
 >
 > The name of the stack that did the start using is "Test1",
 > so I don't  think this is what I want.

Is that all you got?  The result from the executionContexts is usually 
multi-line...

-- 
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From mark at maseurope.net  Sat Mar 25 13:41:00 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 18:41:00 +0000
Subject: libraryStack question
In-Reply-To: <44258844.5030900@fourthworld.com>
References: <44258844.5030900@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <E41EFFC9-006D-4CAE-8F40-4FD740E64A71@maseurope.net>

Exactly, I get this (for the particular set up I used to test it)

button id 1004 of card id 1002 of stack "mm",mouseUp,2
stack "ss" of stack "mm",libraryStack,2

where stack "mm" is the stack issuing the  'library stack "ss"'

and stack "ss" is the stack being 'libraried', and which contains the  
'on libraryStack' handler

Mark

On 25 Mar 2006, at 18:13, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> David Burgun wrote:
> > Mark Smith wrote:
> >> Try
> >>
> >> On libraryStack
> >>   put the executionContexts
> >> end libraryStack
> >
> > I tried that and I get is this:
> >
> > stack "/Users/Dave/Desktop/TestLib/Lib.rev",libraryStack,8
> >
> > The name of the stack that did the start using is "Test1",
> > so I don't  think this is what I want.
>
> Is that all you got?  The result from the executionContexts is  
> usually multi-line...
>
> -- 
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>  Fourth World Media Corporation
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From mark at maseurope.net  Sat Mar 25 13:59:52 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 18:59:52 +0000
Subject: start using and standalones??
Message-ID: <745e934a0603251059nd953109td5ad2f0e0f300334@mail.gmail.com>

I don't see why it wouldn't work, but I have to ask: why are you using
functions rather than handlers when no values need to be returned? Not
that it matters, I'm just curious.

Mark

On 25 Mar 2006, at 18:10, David Burgun wrote:

Hi,

Yes, I think you are right from my experimenting.

I would like to be able to to only stop using a stack when the last
stack that did a start using calls stop using!

Do you think that this would work?

global gLibStackUsageCount

function UtilStartUsing()
add 1 to gLibStackUsageCount
start using "LibStack"
end UtilStartUsing


function UtilStopUsing
subtract 1 from gLibStartUsageCount

if gLibStackUsageCount <= 0 then
  stop using "LibStack"
end if
end UtilStopUsing

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave


On 25 Mar 2006, at 17:59, Mark Smith wrote:

I believe 'start using' puts the script of it's object at the back of
the message path, so is effectively global.
'Stop using' removes it again, so it should only be necessary to
'start using' once, at start up.

Mark


On 25 Mar 2006, at 17:52, David Burgun wrote:

Hi,

I have been experimenting with "start using" in the IDE:

If I have 2 stacks (mainStacks), Test1 and Test2.

If I do: start using "LibStack" in Test1, I can then access functions
in "LibStack" from either Test1 or Test 2.

If I do: stop using "LibStack| in Test1 or Test2 then I cannot access
functions in LibStack from either stack.

Is this the same if I had a standalone app?

I usually ship my RunRev apps as a number of discrete .rev files and
use a Dummy Splash Screen Stack which I build into a Standalone and
launch this to get the ball rolling.

In this case would I need to perform the start using in all stacks
that use the library or just once?

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave

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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Mar 25 14:07:47 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:07:47 -0600
Subject: RAD - Case Study Version 1
In-Reply-To: <D1BB3520-AAF5-4DA6-A38D-9C9D1DCA25A6@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <D1BB3520-AAF5-4DA6-A38D-9C9D1DCA25A6@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <44259503.9040105@hyperactivesw.com>

Okay, I'll bite. I have just created your version 1. I have not looked 
at version 2 yet.

Here is my setup:

1 button: Choose
3 flds: BaseFolder, FolderContents, FileContents

These controls were grouped. No name or custom properties were assigned 
to anything. I set the listBehavior of the FolderContents field to true, 
and put vertical scrollbars on FolderContents and FileContents. Setup 
time: about 1 minute.

Scripts:

** Choose button:

on mouseUp
   answer folder "Choose the base folder:"
   if it <> "" then setFolder it
end mouseUp


** FolderContents field:

on selectionChanged
   putFileContents (the selectedtext of me)
end selectionChanged

** Stack script:

on setfolder tFolder
   put the ID of the owner of the target into tGrp
   put tFolder into fld "basefolder" of grp ID tGrp
   put the directory into tOldDir
   set the directory to tFolder
   put the files into fld "folderContents" of grp ID tGrp
   put "" into fld "fileContents" of grp ID tGrp
   set the directory to tOldDir
end setfolder

on putFileContents tFile
   put the ID of the owner of the target into tGrp
   put fld "basefolder" of grp ID tGrp & slash & tFile into tFilePath
   put url ("file:"&tFilePath) into fld "fileContents" of grp ID tGrp
end putFileContents


Comparing our methods:

Thing                       Mine         Yours

# of objects with scripts     3             8
# of custom properties        0             3
# objects with custom props   0             8
Total lines of script        21            63


I will go read what is required for version 2 now.


David Burgun wrote:
> -------------
> Case Study - Version 1
> -------------
> I was asked to create an App containing 3 groups (each group is  stored 
> in a "standard" Library and is just pasted into a new stack)
> 
> A Group (Group_SelectFolder) that handles the selection of a base  folder.
> A Group (Group_FileList) that displays the files in a folder selected  
> by Group_SelectFolder and allows one of them to be seleted.
> A Group (Group_FileContents ) that displays the contents of the file  
> selected in Group_FileList.
> 
> The pseudo code (which is actually just a cut down version of the  real 
> code) is shown below.
> 
> ------------------------------------
> Version 1 - Display contents of a file.
> Please note that the setting of the CustomProperties "cpFolderKind"  and 
> "cpFileKind" are shown here as being initialized in the Script.  In 
> reality this is commented out and they are set by the developer in  the 
> Property Inspector.
> 
> Also note that this uses "me" as in "put empty into me", this causes  
> problems when sending messages to multiple cards and in the real code  
> it now reads "set the text of the long id of me to empty". I didn't  
> bother to change it here as the former style is easier to read.
> ------------------------------------
> Group_SelectFolder
> 
> [Label_Selected]   [Field_FolderPathName]   (Button_Clear)    
> (Button_Choose)
> 
> Script for Group_SelectFolder:
> on ISM_InitializeObject
> set the cpFolderKind of me to "FolderKindA"
> end ISM_InitializeObject
> 
> Script for Field_FolderPathName:
> on  ISM_InitializeObject
> put empty into me
> get ISM_ListenForMessages("msg_FolderSelected",the cpFolderKind of  the 
> long owner of me)
> end  ISM_InitializeObject
> 
> on msg_FolderSelected theMessageID, theMessageKind, theFolderPathName
> put theFolderPathName into me
> end msg_FolderSelected
> 
> Script for Button_Clear:
> on ISM_InitializeObject
> get ISM_ListenForMessages("msg_FolderSelected",the cpFolderKind of  the 
> long owner of me)
> end ISM_InitializeObject
> 
> on msg_FolderSelected theMessageID, theMessageKind, theFolderPathName
> if theFolderPathName = empty then disable me else enable me
> end msg_FolderSelected
> 
> on mouseUp
> get ISM_PutMessage("msg_FolderSelected",the cpFolderKind of the long  
> owner of me, empty)
> end mouseUp
> 
> Script for Button_Choose:
> on mouseUp
> answer folder "Select Folder: "
> put it into myBaseFolder
> if myBaseFolder = empty then exit mouseUp
> 
> if char -1 of myBaseFolder <> "/" then
>  put myBaseFolder & "/" into myBaseFolder
> end if
> 
> get ISMPutMessage("msg_FolderSelected",the cpFolderKind of the long  
> owner of me,myBaseFolder)
> end mouseUp
> 
> Group_FileList
> [Field_FileList]       [<Field_FilePathNameSelected>]
> 
> Script for Group_FileList:
> on ISM_InitializeObject
> set the cpFolderKind of me to "FolderKindA"
> set the cpFileKind of me to "FileKindA"
> end ISM_InitializeObject
> 
> Script for Field_FileList:
> on  ISM_InitializeObject
> set the cpCurrentFolder of me to empty
> get ISM_ListenForMessages("msg_FolderSelected",the cpFolderKind of  the 
> long owner of me)
> end  ISM_InitializeObject
> 
> on msg_FolderSelected theMessageID, theMessageKind,theFolderPathName
> put GetFilesFromFolder(theFolderPathName) into me
> 
> set hilitedline of me to 1
> set the vScroll of me to 0
> put line 1 of the text of me into myFileName
> get ISM_PutMessage("msg_FileSelected", the cpFileKind of the long  owner 
> of me, theFolderPathName & myFileName)
> set the cpCurrentFolder of me to theFolderPathName
> end msg_FolderSelected
> 
> on mouseUp
> put the clickLine into myClickLine
> select myClickLine
> put line word 2 of myClickLine of the text of me into myFileName
> get ISM_PutMessage("msg_FileSelected", the cpFileKind of the long  owner 
> of me, the cpCurrentFolder of me & myFileName)
> end mouseUp
> 
> Script for Field_FilePathNameSelected:
> on msg_FileSelected theMessageID, theMessageKind,theFilePathName
> put theFilePathName into me
> end msg_FileSelected
> 
> Group_FileContents
>   [<Field_FileContents>]
> 
> Script for Group_FileContents:
> No Script needed.
> 
> Script for Field_FileContents :
> on  ISM_InitializeObject
> get ISM_ListenForMessages("msg_FolderSelected",the cpFolderKind of  the 
> long owner of me)
> get ISM_ListenForMessages("msg_FileSelected",the cpFileKind of the  long 
> owner of me)
> end  ISM_InitializeObject
> 
> on msg_FileSelected theMessageID, theMessageKind,theFilePathName
> put GetContentsOfFile(theFilePathName) into me
> end msg_FileSelected
> 
> on msg_FolderSelected theMessageID, theMessageKind,theFolderPathName
> put empty into me
> end msg_FolderSelected
> 
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Mar 25 14:50:52 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:50:52 -0600
Subject: RAD - Case Study Version 2
In-Reply-To: <9F879CCF-19A7-462A-B425-15CF4AE30502@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <9F879CCF-19A7-462A-B425-15CF4AE30502@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <44259F1C.4090202@hyperactivesw.com>

I've done version 2. It took me longer to figure out your scripts than 
to write my own. Total scripting time was actually about ten minutes, 
the rest was in trying to decipher yours so as to figure out what I 
needed to do.

> Using ISM all I had to do was this:
> 
> 1. Copy and Paste the existing groups in question -  Group_SelectFolder, 
> Group_SelectFile and Group_FileContents so there  were now two of each.
> 
> 2. Arrange the new groups nicely in the window.
> 
> 3. Change any user visible text to read A and B as appropriate.
> 
> 4. Change the custom properties "cpFolderKind" and "cpFileKind" so  that 
> the new groups now read FolderKindB and FileKindB.
> 
> That's all I needed to do to get the basic functionality of having 2  x 
> Base Folders, 2 x FIle Lists and 2 x File Contents working. (I  repeated 
> this action just now in a test stack and it took less than 5  minutes).

I did exactly the same thing, but I didn't need to do step 4 because my 
method uses no custom properties. I option-dragged the existing group to 
create a duplicate. Took 2 seconds, and that is all that was required.

> 
> With this working, I needed to add a new Group to do the compare. The  
> pseudo code for this (very close to the real code) is shown below  
> marked as Version 2.


I only added a single button, not in any group, called "Compare". It has 
a one-liner script:

on mouseup
  compareFiles
end mouseup

After that, all I needed to do was alter the master stack script. I 
needed to add 1 line to the existing script, and add two new handlers 
and a constant. Here is what I did:

constant kCompareNumber

on setfolder tFolder -- this one is unchanged
   put the ID of the owner of the target into tGrp
   put tFolder into fld "basefolder" of grp ID tGrp
   put the directory into tOldDir
   set the directory to tFolder
   put the files into fld "folderContents" of grp ID tGrp
   put "" into fld "fileContents" of grp ID tGrp
   set the directory to tOldDir
end setfolder

on putFileContents tFile -- added 1 line at end
   put the ID of the owner of the target into tGrp
   put fld "basefolder" of grp ID tGrp & slash & tFile into tFilePath
   put url ("file:"&tFilePath) into fld "fileContents" of grp ID tGrp
   set the enabled of btn  "Compare" to (the number of items in \
        validFlds() = kCompareNumber)
end putFileContents

on compareFiles -- new handler
   put validFlds() into tFldList
   if the number of items in tFldList <> kCompareNumber
   then exit compareFiles
   repeat for each item i in tFldList
     set the hilitedlines of fld id i to calcCompare(tFldList)
   end repeat
end compareFiles

function validFlds -- new hander
   repeat with x = 1 to the number of grps
     if there is a fld "fileContents" of grp x and fld "fileContents" of 
grp x <> ""
     then put the ID of fld "fileContents" of grp x & comma after tFldList
   end repeat
   delete last char of tFldList
   return tFldList
end validFlds

Because these handlers are all in the same script, changing it affects 
all existing groups and any new groups that are cloned from the 
existing. I have made the new handlers extensible so that you could 
compare 3 or 4 or any number of text fields simply by changing the 
number of items required, which is stored in the constant kCompareNumber.

You didn't show the actual handler that compares the files, but that's 
okay, presumably mine and yours would be fairly similar and do the same 
thing, so we don't have to consider that in our comparison.

I didn't have to change anything in the existing groups, and my scripts 
are (to my eyes, anyway) easier to follow and debug later. They are much 
shorter. They don't require any custom properties or special treatment.

Seems easier to me, but maybe I'm just too used to the xtalk paradigm. 
By comparison, your way looks complex, difficult to debug, and there are 
scripts in so very many places that following the messaging path in a 
debugging session seems harder than it really has to be. Again, maybe 
it's just my own perception.

It's been an interesting exercise for a Saturday afternoon, thanks for 
the opportunity. I'll bow out now.


> Version 2 - Compare files
> There are two versions of each of the groups shown in Version 1  already 
> in the card/stack.
> 
> Please note that the setting of the CustomProperties "cpFolderKind"  and 
> "cpFileKind" are shown here as being initialized in the Script.  In 
> reality this is commented out and they are set by the developer in  the 
> Property Inspector.
> 
> Also note that this uses "me" as in "put empty into me", this causes  
> problems when sending messages to multiple cards and in the real code  
> it now reads "set the text of the long id of me to empty". I didn't  
> bother to change it here as the former style is easier to read.
> ------------------------------------
>  [Field_FileCompareResults]   (Button_FileCompare)
> 
> Group_FileCompare
> 
> Script for Group_FileCompare:
> 
> on ISM_InitializeObject
> set the cpFolderKindA of me to "FolderKindA"
> set the cpFolderKindB of me to "FolderKindB"
> 
> set the cpFileAValidFlag of me to false
> set the cpFileBValidFlag of me to false
> end ISM_InitializeObject
> 
> 
> Script for Button_FileCompare:
> 
> on ISM_InitializeObject
> disable me
> get ISM_ListenForMessages("msg_FolderSelected",the cpFolderKindA of  the 
> long owner of me)
> get ISM_ListenForMessages("msg_FolderSelected",the cpFolderKindB of  the 
> long owner of me)
> 
> get ISM_ListenForMessages("msg_FileSelected",the cpFileKindA of the  
> long owner of me)
> get ISM_ListenForMessages("msg_FileSelected",the cpFileKindB of the  
> long owner of me)
> end ISM_InitializeObject
> 
> on msg_FolderSelected theMessageID, theMessageKind, theFolderPathName
> disable me
> if theMessageKind = the cpFolderKindA of the long owner of me then
>   set the cpFileAValidFlag of the long owner of me to false
> else
>   set the cpFileBValidFlag of the long owner of me to false
> end if
> end msg_FolderSelected
> 
> on msg_FileSelected theMessageID, theMessageKind, theFilePathName
> if theMessageKind = the cpFileKindA of the long owner of me then
>   set the cpFileAPathName of the long owner of me to theFilePathName
>   set the cpFileAValidFlag of the long owner of me to true
> else
>   set the cpFileBPathName of the long owner of me to theFilePathName
>   set the cpFileBValidFlag of the long owner of me to true
> end if
> 
> if (the cpFileAValidFlag of the long owner of me = true) and (the  
> cpFileBValidFlag of the long owner of me = true) then
>   enable me
> else
>   disable me
> end if
> end msg_FileSelected
> 
> on mouseUp
> get ISM_PutMessage("msg_FileCompare", "KindCompareLines", the  
> cpFileAPathName of the long owner of me & "|" & the cpFileBPathName  of 
> the long owner of me)
> end mouseUp
> 
> Script for Field_FileContents:
> 
> on ISM_InitializeObject
> put empty into me
> get ISM_ListenForMessages("msg_FileCompare","KindCompareLines")
> end ISM_InitializeObject
> 
> on msg_FileCompare theMessageID, theMessageKind, theFilesToCompare
> set the itemDelimiter to "|"
> put CompareFiles(item 1 of theFilesToCompare,item 2 of  
> theFilesToCompare) into myDifferentLinesList
> set the hilitedlines of the text of me to myDifferentLinesList
> end msg_FileCompare
> 
> on msg_FolderSelected theMessageID, theMessageKind, theFolderPathName
> put empty into me
> if theMessageKind = the cpFolderKindA of the long owner of me then
>   set the cpFileAValidFlag of the long owner of me to false
> else
>   set the cpFileBValidFlag of the long owner of me to false
> end if
> end msg_FolderSelected
> 
> on msg_FileSelected theMessageID, theMessageKind, theFilePathName
> put empty into me
> end msg_FolderSelected
> 
> 
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From see3d at writeme.com  Sat Mar 25 15:32:35 2006
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 15:32:35 -0500
Subject: Save stacks periodically to avoid crashes? [OT]
In-Reply-To: <A7D0A744-EA43-431A-A117-FD10A769F687@mac.com>
References: <A7D0A744-EA43-431A-A117-FD10A769F687@mac.com>
Message-ID: <37AC7FDA-386F-4AB7-AC98-FB557E3CD648@writeme.com>

After a lot of clever hacking, I have found that I can almost always  
find the counter in any application that counts the number of  
keystrokes since the last save.  Once the counter crosses a certain  
threshold, a random number is invoked in each new keystroke.  If the  
random number matches the keystroke count, then a crash is provoked.

It is all part of a secret programmers guild directive designed to  
help users learn to save and back up their work regularly.  It is  
expected that after 11 generations, the urge to save will become a  
reflex built into the human genome through natural selection.  Those  
who do not learn to save will become failures in life --unable to  
attract a mate. Their "bad" genes will then vanish from the species.

Dennis ;-)

On Mar 24, 2006, at 11:49 AM, Jon Seymour wrote:

> Hi, I've been using Rev for about a year. I'm sure it won't shock  
> most of you to hear that periodically Rev just seems tired and  
> crashes. Now I am sure that coding glitches are sometimes at fault,  
> but generally speaking I think Rev (esp. 2.7) has stability issues.  
> Here's the thing, though: it seems that if I am saving the stack  
> periodically, which I would tend to do to avoid losing data in a  
> crash, the program actually crashes less. It's as if saving has  
> some benefit to memory management or who-knows-what-else in the  
> engine. It's like a "refresh" function. Has anyone else observed  
> this? Is there a rationale? Would it be smart to have a commercial  
> application save its stacks regularly, not only to store user  
> changes, but simply to confer stability?
>
> Jon
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sat Mar 25 16:10:57 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 07:10:57 +1000
Subject: Shamelessly Soliciting Windows Developers' Votes II
In-Reply-To: <0EB1AF7A-BC13-11DA-925A-0030657E1638@pon.net>
References: <95C9C13D-E82E-4612-8744-ACE489C1F846@adelphia.net>
	<0EB1AF7A-BC13-11DA-925A-0030657E1638@pon.net>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603251310y13ab4caekdbf1e114fad384de@mail.gmail.com>

> One more reason why Windows developers should vote for TPC compliance,
> then I'll shut up:
>
> Visual Basic developers already have TPC support capabilities available
> to them via Microsoft's TPC SDK.
>
> The longer it takes RRLtd to support the TPC, the greater the advantage
> VB developers have over RR developers on TPC platforms.
>

I'm not a Windows developer, but I like the idea of a Tablet and hope
Apple comes out with one soon. I have trouble working out why they
aren't more popular. Anyway, you have my votes.

Sarah


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 25 16:13:10 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:13:10 -0800
Subject: Save stacks periodically to avoid crashes? [OT]
In-Reply-To: <37AC7FDA-386F-4AB7-AC98-FB557E3CD648@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <C04AF266.36AC1%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Thanks for clearing up part of the mystery for me.. I thought it was some
sort of cubic spline and the volume under that surface.  Glad to know it is
only a random number.

One of my friends still believes it is an inverse proportion to the
importance of the data and the minutes until the deadline...
freq = importance/time = maximizing relative loss

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 3/25/06 12:32 PM, "Dennis Brown" <see3d at writeme.com> wrote:

> After a lot of clever hacking, I have found that I can almost always
> find the counter in any application that counts the number of
> keystrokes since the last save.  Once the counter crosses a certain
> threshold, a random number is invoked in each new keystroke.  If the
> random number matches the keystroke count, then a crash is provoked.
> 
> It is all part of a secret programmers guild directive designed to
> help users learn to save and back up their work regularly.  It is
> expected that after 11 generations, the urge to save will become a
> reflex built into the human genome through natural selection.  Those
> who do not learn to save will become failures in life --unable to
> attract a mate. Their "bad" genes will then vanish from the species.
> 
> Dennis ;-)
> 
> On Mar 24, 2006, at 11:49 AM, Jon Seymour wrote:
> 
>> Hi, I've been using Rev for about a year. I'm sure it won't shock
>> most of you to hear that periodically Rev just seems tired and
>> crashes. Now I am sure that coding glitches are sometimes at fault,
>> but generally speaking I think Rev (esp. 2.7) has stability issues.
>> Here's the thing, though: it seems that if I am saving the stack
>> periodically, which I would tend to do to avoid losing data in a
>> crash, the program actually crashes less. It's as if saving has
>> some benefit to memory management or who-knows-what-else in the
>> engine. It's like a "refresh" function. Has anyone else observed
>> this? Is there a rationale? Would it be smart to have a commercial
>> application save its stacks regularly, not only to store user
>> changes, but simply to confer stability?




From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Sat Mar 25 16:42:16 2006
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 22:42:16 +0100
Subject: start using and standalones??
Message-ID: <b85e49f290a32488ab862bf5bf11c331@wanadoo.fr>

Dave,

Your sentence tickled my interest.  I want to launch my Rev stacks
in a convenient way, and I will listen to all solutions.

Can you explain ?

Unless, of course, it is "Hush-Hush" !

-Francis

"Nothing should ever be done for the first time ?"

>
> I usually ship my RunRev apps as a number of discrete .rev files
> and use a Dummy Splash Screen Stack which I build into a Standalone
> and launch this to get the ball rolling.




From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Sat Mar 25 16:59:05 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:59:05 -0800
Subject: Setting up a team...
In-Reply-To: <44247376.8020207@comcast.net>
References: <004c01c64f25$45a085d0$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>
	<44247376.8020207@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603251359n16f18254x714781a82ea72c40@mail.gmail.com>

Now why didn't I think of that?

:-)


On 3/24/06, Phil Davis <davis.phil at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Andy,
>
> Why don't you come to RevCon in June? There you'll be able to meet a ton
> of people of the type you're looking for!
>
> Phil Davis
>
>
> --
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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http://www.shafermedia.com
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From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Sat Mar 25 17:13:29 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 14:13:29 -0800
Subject: a rare bird...consult and teach/train
In-Reply-To: <20060324232517.61022.qmail@web33015.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <70ed6b130603241411n7f8d0366l53fcd75d425145b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060324232517.61022.qmail@web33015.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603251413ga4024c9p2ee52a56652a92d8@mail.gmail.com>

Well, this could become a very long, rambling discussion if I lay out all my
thinking but given the recent propensity of list members to wish to focus on
specific technical issues, I'll keep my response here brief. Happy to pursue
this off-list if you like, though, Erik!

In more than 25 years in the software business, I've met perhaps six people
I would say could do both. I have two basic theories (and lots of
corrollaries; see above).

First, it takes a different mind set to program than it does to teach
programming. Maybe even conflicting skills. Specialization takes place at
some point. It's sort of like the question of why major league pitchers, who
were uniformly the best hitters all the way through college, suddenly can't
hit. (Like all analogies, incomplete, but....)

Second, by the time you get really good at a programming language, you
forget what was hard to learn because you've assimilated it. It's now
sublimated thought. I saw this over and over again during my years as an
expert system consultant and designer. The subject-matter expert was almost
helpless to explain the basic ideas of his or her craft.

Most of the folks I know who teach a programming language are average or a
little better programmers in that language. In fact, right now sitting here
I can only think of three people who are both really good programmers and
really good teacher/trainer/tutor/mentor types in those languages.

On 3/24/06, Erik Hansen <erikhans08 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- Dan Shafer <revolutionary.dan at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > It's a rare bird who can
> > both consult and teach/train
>
> why is that?
>
> Erik Hansen
>
> erik at erikhansen.org    http://www.erikhansen.org
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From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Sat Mar 25 17:27:51 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 14:27:51 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <85D1490E-6A59-4337-BA53-713E12280DA0@hindu.org>
References: <20060315180004.23F3082638F@mail.runrev.com>
	<44187281.9030805@fourthworld.com> <441893AA.3070407@chipp.com>
	<31e1938c0603151459s4a8b4f16n24e508ae63758cd8@mail.gmail.com>
	<425B1B3B-FB08-4DA7-B091-588A7D615D2D@easynet.fr>
	<31e1938c0603151552m36f7c710h607cf982ea5200a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<70ed6b130603151705r462ad5fdn9133039773b87824@mail.gmail.com>
	<85D1490E-6A59-4337-BA53-713E12280DA0@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603251427g78b1a9fag9fa0acefbe481dcf@mail.gmail.com>

Sivakatirswami.....

Wow. I gotta go try this as soon as I finish this talk I'm giving tomorrow.

And please send me those URLs you mentioned offlist. This could be HUGE for
me. I had no idea this could be done and I don't know why I didn't have any
idea this could be done.



On 3/24/06, Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org> wrote:
>
>
> Dan, if your definition of a web app really is:
>
> >  a Web *app* consists of a collection of 1 or more
> > templates -- HTML files with embedded command and function calls --
> > that
> > execute in a server-side scripting language interpreter running on the
> > server. All Web pages with this embedded script code are run
> > through the
> > scripting language interpreter on the server, where the command is
> > carried
> > out and some content is generated to replace the command call
> > before the
> > page is sent to the HTTP server to return to the client.
>
> We are *already*  doing this with Rev for several years now (and I'm
> pretty sure I'm not the only one, I got into this with Andu Novac
> when this was all metacard years ago... he still around?) and it
> works great, even without fastCGI...the fact that Rev is called on
> each hit doesn't seem to be an issue at all.


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From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 25 17:43:22 2006
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (Erik Hansen)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 14:43:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: capsLockKey Message? -- bitesize pendingMessages tutorial
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860603241653u197a62e7gf2dad3b4ab0498db@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060325224322.61791.qmail@web33013.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


a great bitesize tutorial on pendingMessages.
thanks.

Erik Hansen

> Set up a loop like this:
> 
> on checkCaps
>     if the capsLockKey = "down" then put
> "Capslock ON"
>     else put "Capslock OFF"
> 
>     if the pendingMessages contains "checkCaps"
> is false then
>         send checkCaps to me in 10 ticks
>     end if
> end checkCaps
> 
> What I do is alter the repeat time (set to 10
> ticks or 1/6th of a
> second above) until it is just fast enough.
> That way you aren't taking
> more of the processor time that you need.
> 
> Don't forget to have a way to cancel the
> message when quitting or when
> it is no longer needed.
> Here is my general message cancel handler:
> 
> on cancelMessage pMsg
>     put the pendingMessages into tList
>     repeat for each line L in tList
>         if item 3 of L contains pMsg then
> cancel item 1 of L
>     end repeat
> end cancelMessage

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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Mar 25 18:07:26 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 17:07:26 -0600
Subject: RAD - Case Study Version 2
In-Reply-To: <44259F1C.4090202@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <9F879CCF-19A7-462A-B425-15CF4AE30502@dsl.pipex.com>
	<44259F1C.4090202@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4425CD2E.7030703@hyperactivesw.com>

I wrote:

> After that, all I needed to do was alter the master stack script. I 
> needed to add 1 line to the existing script, and add two new handlers 
> and a constant. Here is what I did:
> 
> constant kCompareNumber

Sorry, somehow the assignment got left off. That should be:

   constant kCompareNumber=2

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From tominjapan at excite.com  Sat Mar 25 18:58:38 2006
From: tominjapan at excite.com (Thomas McCarthy)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 18:58:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Distributor Agreements--suggestions please
Message-ID: <20060325235838.BACDA7E416@xprdmxin.myway.com>


I'm about to finish a huge (for me) project. I need to work out the percentages with my publisher before I hand over the keys to the car.

What is a reasonable price sharing equation? Pertinent facts:
1. I wrote the program and took care of all the media involved.
2. I created the web site (and am mantaining it, I guess)
3. He will place the software on CD's both in the jacket of my book and as a standalone product.

So basically, he will market the product and I will create/support it.
Is a 50/50 split of gross usual?

Also, are there some ready-to use boiler plate agreements I could use?
(note to rev: This would be a great resource, and you could put a reference to RunTime Revolution in it.)

many thanks in advance,
tm 

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From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Sat Mar 25 19:15:30 2006
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 16:15:30 -0800
Subject: Distributor Agreements--suggestions please
In-Reply-To: <20060325235838.BACDA7E416@xprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <20060326001535.04A5987180@spunkymail-a2.dreamhost.com>

> I'm about to finish a huge (for me) project. I need to work 
> out the percentages with my publisher before I hand over the 
> keys to the car.
> 
> What is a reasonable price sharing equation? Pertinent facts:
> 1. I wrote the program and took care of all the media involved.
> 2. I created the web site (and am mantaining it, I guess) 3. 
> He will place the software on CD's both in the jacket of my 
> book and as a standalone product.
> 
> So basically, he will market the product and I will create/support it.
> Is a 50/50 split of gross usual?

Will they be selling to both resellers and end users? Exclusivity?
Territories? What is the total division of labor and responsibility? Ive
established distributor, publishing and republisher agreements for many
years now (see my company Proactive International -
http://www.proactive-intl.com) and there have been agreements that have been
right on the money, anywhere from getting 15-55%.

> Also, are there some ready-to use boiler plate agreements I could use?
> (note to rev: This would be a great resource, and you could 
> put a reference to RunTime Revolution in it.)

There are agreements you can get in books but one size does not necessarily
fit all - it's a very, very different matter than a EULA, for example.

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd





From jerry at hytext.com  Sat Mar 25 19:29:32 2006
From: jerry at hytext.com (Jerry Muelver)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 18:29:32 -0600
Subject: a rare bird...consult and teach/train
In-Reply-To: <20060324232517.61022.qmail@web33015.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060324232517.61022.qmail@web33015.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4425E06C.7010704@hytext.com>



Erik Hansen wrote:
> --- Dan Shafer <revolutionary.dan at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>   
>> It's a rare bird who can
>> both consult and teach/train
>>     
>
> why is that?
>   
As a consultant and teacher/trainer, I can answer that. Consulting 
requires hard, analytical focus on problem, process, and solution. The 
consultant's output is specific direction and procedures, typically 
communicated on the consultant's preferred level, with his or her 
preferred (paid-for, remember) methods. The objective is to deliver the 
message, to change the recipient's projected path.

Teaching and/or training requires a soft, empathic focus on others' 
skills and behaviors, along with a flexible ability to communicate on 
someone else's level and channel. The objective is to inspire the 
motivation to explore and integrate the message with the recipient's 
current path.

Communication is the eliciting of a response. Effective communication is 
the eliciting of a desired response. The consultant and the 
teacher/trainer gear their communication for different responses, and 
therefore develop and practice different methods.  It's a rare bird who 
can shift from one objective to the other smoothly, easily, without 
disrupting the progress of the "objective of the moment".

---- Jerry Muelver


From curry at pair.com  Sat Mar 25 20:17:26 2006
From: curry at pair.com (curry at pair.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 20:17:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <20060325180003.3CCFD825685@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060325180003.3CCFD825685@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <2942.69.242.143.211.1143335846.squirrel@webmail5.pair.com>

I'm a bit late to the recent discussions on Rev Media--just got a chance
to browse the archive. Here's my view, and an additional idea.

I think these concepts--Rev Express, Dreamcard, Rev Media--are fairly
creative, neat, fun, etc. I'm sure they have lots of good points. The
junior product keeps changing frequently, but I guess that's okay. I
haven't tried these in depth, so this is just my opinion about basic
stated features and limitations.

But I think there are a few drawbacks in the model. One is not being able
to create a standalone. At the old Dreamcard price (I think it was about
$100--I'm going to round off the prices to be easier on the eye), that
could be a bit of a downer. RealBasic Standard at about $100, for example,
does create standalones. The new price of about $50 for Rev Media is one
approach of helping with that issue. And I think it's probably a good
approach.

(However, why make the backdrop an issue? If it doesn't create standalones
then there's already a big incentive to upgrade. I suppose it would tend
to limit what is distributed with it--you don't usually see utilities with
mandatory backdrops, for example. Then again, you don't usually see
utilities that require a player to run, either!)

The other major drawback is how far up you have to go in order to get a
Rev product that does make standalones. Minimum is $300 for Studio, which
is developing on one platform, although deploying on all.

Between $50 for a product that requires a player, and $300 for one that
builds standalones, that's a considerable empty space. And suddenly with
the first product that builds standalones, you already have one that
deploys on all platforms. There's nothing gradual. What if someone just
wants to develop on one platform and doesn't need the rest? Or wants to
get into Rev gradually, and work on his or her preferred platform first
before expanding, but wants standalones? Or the person that wants more
than one platform but would prefer to debug and compile from each platform
and doesn't need the cross-build feature and some other advanced features
such as database access?

So, right now it seems to me that there's a large unfilled gap in the
product line--something similar to the RealBasic Standard I mentioned, a
product that would run on one platform per license, but would make
standalones for that platform.

(To differentiate from Studio, some advanced features could also be
limited. Currently, judging from the Tools Overview page, that would
include the learning pack and SQL database access. Some additional
adjustments might be needed--the "intermediate" Rev product should not be
too crippled, and should be sufficient for most normal uses, so these
should be considered carefully, advanced or new features that create
considerable incentive for Studio and Enterprise rather than cut too much
from the intermediate product. There's a good balance to be found.)

The Rev Media type of product is covering a whole range of interesting
uses and interested users, but I seriously bet there is also a whole range
of people that Rev is missing out on because of that product gap in
comparison to other offerings. That could be a large group that is missing
out on Rev and vice versa! If they want standalones but need a lower entry
price, then they may look over the product line options and quickly decide
to look elsewhere. Besides the cross-platform crowd, that would also open
up the door to attract more of those who are currently developing on one
platform using tools in that price range. I believe that represents a lot
of potential users out there.

I would recommend introducing something with similar benefits and
pricing/updates, to be competitive in that area and get another whole set
of users into the Rev world.

But also keep the Rev Media type product, to appeal to its own set of
users, which is a different set and should be considered separately in its
own right.

That's my suggestion. :-)

Curry


From see3d at writeme.com  Sat Mar 25 20:58:01 2006
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 20:58:01 -0500
Subject: Save stacks periodically to avoid crashes? [OT]
In-Reply-To: <C04AF266.36AC1%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C04AF266.36AC1%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <609E3D07-A866-47E4-8C44-20C9D907A126@writeme.com>

Jim,

You need to tell your friend that that's ridiculous.  These programs  
can't tell which data is important or when your deadline is.  It is  
all zeros and ones.  Nope, it is just a simple calculation.  The user  
provides the correlation inadvertently.  If the data is important,  
the user will suffer more when it goes bye bye.  If the deadline is  
looming, the user will be so engrosed in completing it on time, that  
they will forget to save periodically.  That is why it is so  
important to wipe that ability to concentrate completely on a task to  
the exclusion of all else from the gene pool.

TIC
Dennis

On Mar 25, 2006, at 4:13 PM, Jim Ault wrote:

> Thanks for clearing up part of the mystery for me.. I thought it  
> was some
> sort of cubic spline and the volume under that surface.  Glad to  
> know it is
> only a random number.
>
> One of my friends still believes it is an inverse proportion to the
> importance of the data and the minutes until the deadline...
> freq = importance/time = maximizing relative loss
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
>
> On 3/25/06 12:32 PM, "Dennis Brown" <see3d at writeme.com> wrote:
>
>> After a lot of clever hacking, I have found that I can almost always
>> find the counter in any application that counts the number of
>> keystrokes since the last save.  Once the counter crosses a certain
>> threshold, a random number is invoked in each new keystroke.  If the
>> random number matches the keystroke count, then a crash is provoked.
>>
>> It is all part of a secret programmers guild directive designed to
>> help users learn to save and back up their work regularly.  It is
>> expected that after 11 generations, the urge to save will become a
>> reflex built into the human genome through natural selection.  Those
>> who do not learn to save will become failures in life --unable to
>> attract a mate. Their "bad" genes will then vanish from the species.
>>
>> Dennis ;-)
>>
>> On Mar 24, 2006, at 11:49 AM, Jon Seymour wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, I've been using Rev for about a year. I'm sure it won't shock
>>> most of you to hear that periodically Rev just seems tired and
>>> crashes. Now I am sure that coding glitches are sometimes at fault,
>>> but generally speaking I think Rev (esp. 2.7) has stability issues.
>>> Here's the thing, though: it seems that if I am saving the stack
>>> periodically, which I would tend to do to avoid losing data in a
>>> crash, the program actually crashes less. It's as if saving has
>>> some benefit to memory management or who-knows-what-else in the
>>> engine. It's like a "refresh" function. Has anyone else observed
>>> this? Is there a rationale? Would it be smart to have a commercial
>>> application save its stacks regularly, not only to store user
>>> changes, but simply to confer stability?
>
>
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From simplsol at aol.com  Sat Mar 25 21:25:42 2006
From: simplsol at aol.com (simplsol at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 21:25:42 -0500
Subject: Enter vs Return
In-Reply-To: <44257C29.4050506@fourthworld.com>
References: <44257C29.4050506@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <8C81E93B6BAF557-1F4C-B53B@FWM-R10.sysops.aol.com>

Richard,
I was not so much concerned with Return. It works as I'd expect. But it 
has always seemed strange that Enter should also produce a return in 
Rev.
I go back before the Mac/Windows wars. The spreadsheets of the late 
70s, early 80s, and since use the following convention:
TAB = close the current cell and open the one to the immediate right
RETURN = close the current cell and open the one immediately below
ENTER = close the current cell

The Return is of typewriter lineage (especially the electric 
typewriters of the 60s - before that the carriage return was done 
manually). Return is also a lower ASCII character for use with teletype 
machines.

Enter is from adding machines - where it initiates calculations from 
numbers entered.

There is definitely a difference between Return and Enter! Enter should 
not produce a carriage return. But, as you say, three lines of code set 
the world right. Mark Smith's suggestion fixed all of the problems I 
was having.
Paul Looney

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:21:45 -0800
Subject: Re: Enter vs Return

   Paul wrote:?
 > Everyone,?
 > Isn't the current behavior of Enter (doing a return) wrong??
  > If I am the only one who thinks so, I'll work around it with Mark's 
 > cure. Otherwise I'll bugzilla it (thought it had been entered in > 
Bugzilla already).?
?
  I don't believe the behavior's changed, and it's easy enough to have 
any other behavior you want.?
?
  But unfortunately if you want to ever support the other 90+% who use 
Windows, you will only confuse them if you have different behaviors for 
Enter and Return:?
?
  It seems everyone who designs PC keyboards are all under 25 years of 
age, having never seen nor heard of a typewriter, which would explain 
why they exhibit no understanding of the origin of the Return key on 
their keyboards:?
?
  
<http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user/73566/match=type
writer>?
?
 ?
  PS: Oddly enough, while I can find that post easily on GMane and 
Nabble, searching for "typewriter" in the Rev list archives comes up 
empty.?
?
  Not to RunRev: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE add your own search on your 
archives. Outside services like Google have no obligation to index all 
of your content, and many searches with it produce incomplete results.?
?
 --?
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 ?Fourth World Media Corporation?
 ?___________________________________________________________?
 ?Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com?
 _______________________________________________?
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Mar 25 21:31:23 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 20:31:23 -0600
Subject: Save stacks periodically to avoid crashes? [OT]
In-Reply-To: <609E3D07-A866-47E4-8C44-20C9D907A126@writeme.com>
References: <C04AF266.36AC1%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<609E3D07-A866-47E4-8C44-20C9D907A126@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <4425FCFB.2070906@hyperactivesw.com>

I can see how one might arrive at a correlation though. The more 
important the data, the more I generally type. The more I type, the more 
keystrokes. The more keystrokes, the more likely I am to hit that random 
number.

It is all starting to fall together for me. Thanks.

Dennis Brown wrote:
> Jim,
> 
> You need to tell your friend that that's ridiculous.  These programs  
> can't tell which data is important or when your deadline is.  It is  all 
> zeros and ones.  Nope, it is just a simple calculation.  The user  
> provides the correlation inadvertently.  If the data is important,  the 
> user will suffer more when it goes bye bye.  If the deadline is  
> looming, the user will be so engrosed in completing it on time, that  
> they will forget to save periodically.  That is why it is so  important 
> to wipe that ability to concentrate completely on a task to  the 
> exclusion of all else from the gene pool.
> 
> TIC
> Dennis
> 
> On Mar 25, 2006, at 4:13 PM, Jim Ault wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for clearing up part of the mystery for me.. I thought it  was 
>> some
>> sort of cubic spline and the volume under that surface.  Glad to  know 
>> it is
>> only a random number.
>>
>> One of my friends still believes it is an inverse proportion to the
>> importance of the data and the minutes until the deadline...
>> freq = importance/time = maximizing relative loss
>>
>> Jim Ault
>> Las Vegas
>>
>>
>> On 3/25/06 12:32 PM, "Dennis Brown" <see3d at writeme.com> wrote:
>>
>>> After a lot of clever hacking, I have found that I can almost always
>>> find the counter in any application that counts the number of
>>> keystrokes since the last save.  Once the counter crosses a certain
>>> threshold, a random number is invoked in each new keystroke.  If the
>>> random number matches the keystroke count, then a crash is provoked.
>>>
>>> It is all part of a secret programmers guild directive designed to
>>> help users learn to save and back up their work regularly.  It is
>>> expected that after 11 generations, the urge to save will become a
>>> reflex built into the human genome through natural selection.  Those
>>> who do not learn to save will become failures in life --unable to
>>> attract a mate. Their "bad" genes will then vanish from the species.
>>>
>>> Dennis ;-)
>>>
>>> On Mar 24, 2006, at 11:49 AM, Jon Seymour wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi, I've been using Rev for about a year. I'm sure it won't shock
>>>> most of you to hear that periodically Rev just seems tired and
>>>> crashes. Now I am sure that coding glitches are sometimes at fault,
>>>> but generally speaking I think Rev (esp. 2.7) has stability issues.
>>>> Here's the thing, though: it seems that if I am saving the stack
>>>> periodically, which I would tend to do to avoid losing data in a
>>>> crash, the program actually crashes less. It's as if saving has
>>>> some benefit to memory management or who-knows-what-else in the
>>>> engine. It's like a "refresh" function. Has anyone else observed
>>>> this? Is there a rationale? Would it be smart to have a commercial
>>>> application save its stacks regularly, not only to store user
>>>> changes, but simply to confer stability?
>>
>>
>>
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From mark at maseurope.net  Sat Mar 25 21:37:17 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 03:37:17 +0100
Subject: Enter vs Return
In-Reply-To: <8C81E93B6BAF557-1F4C-B53B@FWM-R10.sysops.aol.com>
References: <44257C29.4050506@fourthworld.com>
	<8C81E93B6BAF557-1F4C-B53B@FWM-R10.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <D2523564-16E6-4714-AFEF-F3068F13CEDC@maseurope.net>

OTOH, in just about every word processor or text editor I've used,  
enter produces a return, so Revs behaviour is not without precedent.  
The question is whether Rev fields should behave like a spreadsheet  
or a word processor - of course, the answer depends on context, so I  
guess RunRev went with the WP option as default, but of course we can  
override it...

Mark

On 26 Mar 2006, at 03:25, simplsol at aol.com wrote:

> Richard,
> I was not so much concerned with Return. It works as I'd expect.  
> But it has always seemed strange that Enter should also produce a  
> return in Rev.
> I go back before the Mac/Windows wars. The spreadsheets of the late  
> 70s, early 80s, and since use the following convention:
> TAB = close the current cell and open the one to the immediate right
> RETURN = close the current cell and open the one immediately below
> ENTER = close the current cell
>
> The Return is of typewriter lineage (especially the electric  
> typewriters of the 60s - before that the carriage return was done  
> manually). Return is also a lower ASCII character for use with  
> teletype machines.
>
> Enter is from adding machines - where it initiates calculations  
> from numbers entered.
>
> There is definitely a difference between Return and Enter! Enter  
> should not produce a carriage return. But, as you say, three lines  
> of code set the world right. Mark Smith's suggestion fixed all of  
> the problems I was having.
> Paul Looney
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:21:45 -0800
> Subject: Re: Enter vs Return
>
>   Paul wrote:
> > Everyone,
> > Isn't the current behavior of Enter (doing a return) wrong?
>  > If I am the only one who thinks so, I'll work around it with  
> Mark's > cure. Otherwise I'll bugzilla it (thought it had been  
> entered in > Bugzilla already).
>
>  I don't believe the behavior's changed, and it's easy enough to  
> have any other behavior you want.
>
>  But unfortunately if you want to ever support the other 90+% who  
> use Windows, you will only confuse them if you have different  
> behaviors for Enter and Return:
>
>  It seems everyone who designs PC keyboards are all under 25 years  
> of age, having never seen nor heard of a typewriter, which would  
> explain why they exhibit no understanding of the origin of the  
> Return key on their keyboards:
>
>  <http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user/73566/ 
> match=type
> writer>
>
>
>  PS: Oddly enough, while I can find that post easily on GMane and  
> Nabble, searching for "typewriter" in the Rev list archives comes  
> up empty.
>
>  Not to RunRev: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE add your own search on your  
> archives. Outside services like Google have no obligation to index  
> all of your content, and many searches with it produce incomplete  
> results.
>
> -- 
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>  Fourth World Media Corporation
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>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com
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From katir at hindu.org  Sat Mar 25 21:40:08 2006
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 16:40:08 -1000
Subject: TOC hyperlinks to same field text below
Message-ID: <B3A22E64-4DA0-40BB-9FFD-C9D85E53C214@hindu.org>

Given a field with a table of contents at the top how does one set  
those links to jump the field down(up?) to the section, where the  
text includes one line paragraphs and the field is set to wrap? if  
you use:

on linkclicked pLinkText
   find pLinkText # need to skip the first instance which is the TOC  
line itself
   find pLinkText # go to the section in the body below.
end linkclicked


The results are erratic.

lineoffset should work but here are wrapping issues

on linkclicked pLinkText
   put lineoffset (pLinetext, me)

  # how do you now scroll the field
   # so that the found line is at the top?
   # when some paragraphs are a single line, but actually
   # many lines on screen because dontwrap is off.
   # and thus line offset doesn't get you anything...
end linkclicked





1. Section One - The Best Rad Tool In the World (linked)
2. Section Two - Is there anything you cannot do with it? (linked)
3. Section three - Wow Dbase connectivity in 2.7 is great! (linked)

-------------

The Best Rad Tool In the World

test test text text test test text texttest test text texttest test  
text texttest test text texttest test text texttest test text  
texttest test text texttest test text texttest test text text

Is there anything you cannot do with it?

test test text text test test text texttest test text texttest test  
text texttest test text texttest test text texttest test text  
texttest test text texttest test text texttest test text text

Wow Dbase connectivity in 2.7 is great!

test test text text test test text texttest test text texttest test  
text texttest test text texttest test text texttest test text  
texttest test text texttest test text texttest test text text


??

Sivakatirswami



From jrarick at hpsk12.net  Sat Mar 25 22:09:38 2006
From: jrarick at hpsk12.net (Jack Rarick)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 22:09:38 -0500
Subject: Error Code with revDeleteFolder
Message-ID: <s425bfb6.016@hpsk12.net>

Hi all:

I am getting a result of "32" when attempting to delete a folder using
revDeleteFolder in 2.7 on a Windows box running XP. Am using the full
path to the folder.

I wasn't aware of any type of error codes, this has got me stumped.

Thanks to all in advance!

Jack Rarick
Braintree Athletic Systems


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 25 22:46:25 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:46:25 -0800
Subject: Save stacks periodically to avoid crashes? [OT]
In-Reply-To: <609E3D07-A866-47E4-8C44-20C9D907A126@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <C04B4E91.36AEE%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

My remarks were tongue-in-cheek... losing unimportant stuff does not leave a
mark, so fades from memory.  Using a computer to meet a deadline provides
its own stress for most people, thus leaves a mark every time    :-)

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 3/25/06 5:58 PM, "Dennis Brown" <see3d at writeme.com> wrote:

> Jim,
> 
> You need to tell your friend that that's ridiculous.  These programs
> can't tell which data is important or when your deadline is.  It is
> all zeros and ones.  Nope, it is just a simple calculation.  The user
> provides the correlation inadvertently.  If the data is important,
> the user will suffer more when it goes bye bye.  If the deadline is
> looming, the user will be so engrosed in completing it on time, that
> they will forget to save periodically.  That is why it is so
> important to wipe that ability to concentrate completely on a task to
> the exclusion of all else from the gene pool.
> 
> TIC
> Dennis
> 
> On Mar 25, 2006, at 4:13 PM, Jim Ault wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for clearing up part of the mystery for me.. I thought it
>> was some
>> sort of cubic spline and the volume under that surface.  Glad to
>> know it is
>> only a random number.
>> 
>> One of my friends still believes it is an inverse proportion to the
>> importance of the data and the minutes until the deadline...
>> freq = importance/time = maximizing relative loss
>> 
>> Jim Ault
>> Las Vegas
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/25/06 12:32 PM, "Dennis Brown" <see3d at writeme.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> After a lot of clever hacking, I have found that I can almost always
>>> find the counter in any application that counts the number of
>>> keystrokes since the last save.  Once the counter crosses a certain
>>> threshold, a random number is invoked in each new keystroke.  If the
>>> random number matches the keystroke count, then a crash is provoked.
>>> 
>>> It is all part of a secret programmers guild directive designed to
>>> help users learn to save and back up their work regularly.  It is
>>> expected that after 11 generations, the urge to save will become a
>>> reflex built into the human genome through natural selection.  Those
>>> who do not learn to save will become failures in life --unable to
>>> attract a mate. Their "bad" genes will then vanish from the species.
>>> 
>>> Dennis ;-)
>>> 
>>> On Mar 24, 2006, at 11:49 AM, Jon Seymour wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi, I've been using Rev for about a year. I'm sure it won't shock
>>>> most of you to hear that periodically Rev just seems tired and
>>>> crashes. Now I am sure that coding glitches are sometimes at fault,
>>>> but generally speaking I think Rev (esp. 2.7) has stability issues.
>>>> Here's the thing, though: it seems that if I am saving the stack
>>>> periodically, which I would tend to do to avoid losing data in a
>>>> crash, the program actually crashes less. It's as if saving has
>>>> some benefit to memory management or who-knows-what-else in the
>>>> engine. It's like a "refresh" function. Has anyone else observed
>>>> this? Is there a rationale? Would it be smart to have a commercial
>>>> application save its stacks regularly, not only to store user
>>>> changes, but simply to confer stability?
>> 
>> 
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>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Sat Mar 25 22:49:45 2006
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 22:49:45 -0500
Subject: Error Code with revDeleteFolder
In-Reply-To: <s425bfb6.016@hpsk12.net>
References: <s425bfb6.016@hpsk12.net>
Message-ID: <91668362-C896-4703-AEDA-218BDAADC55A@adelphia.net>

permissions I think

tom

On Mar 25, 2006, at 10:09 PM, Jack Rarick wrote:

> Hi all:
>
> I am getting a result of "32" when attempting to delete a folder using
> revDeleteFolder in 2.7 on a Windows box running XP. Am using the full
> path to the folder.
>
> I wasn't aware of any type of error codes, this has got me stumped.
>
> Thanks to all in advance!
>
> Jack Rarick
> Braintree Athletic Systems
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Mar 25 23:00:42 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 22:00:42 -0600
Subject: TOC hyperlinks to same field text below
In-Reply-To: <B3A22E64-4DA0-40BB-9FFD-C9D85E53C214@hindu.org>
References: <B3A22E64-4DA0-40BB-9FFD-C9D85E53C214@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <442611EA.10501@hyperactivesw.com>

Sivakatirswami wrote:
> Given a field with a table of contents at the top how does one set  
> those links to jump the field down(up?) to the section, where the  text 
> includes one line paragraphs and the field is set to wrap? if  you use:
> 
> on linkclicked pLinkText
>   find pLinkText # need to skip the first instance which is the TOC  
> line itself
>   find pLinkText # go to the section in the body below.
> end linkclicked
> 
> 
> The results are erratic.

I use a trick. Use a script to put a non-typeable character, like 
numToChar(3) or numToChar(8), after the text you need to find. I do this 
with a temporary handler in the field:

on selectionchanged
   put numtochar(8) after the selection
end selectionchanged

Then I just click my way through the body of the text, adding invisible 
characters as I go.

Change the "find" command in the linkClicked handler so that it adds 
that character to the string to find, and use "find string":

on linkclicked pLinkText
  find string pLinkText & numToChar(8)
end linkclicked

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Sat Mar 25 23:21:50 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 20:21:50 -0800
Subject: a rare bird...consult and teach/train
In-Reply-To: <4425E06C.7010704@hytext.com>
References: <20060324232517.61022.qmail@web33015.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4425E06C.7010704@hytext.com>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603252021l2ebb05cbt486e775914b3b5fb@mail.gmail.com>

Jerry......

Marvelously and clearly stated.


On 3/25/06, Jerry Muelver <jerry at hytext.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Erik Hansen wrote:
> > --- Dan Shafer <revolutionary.dan at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >> It's a rare bird who can
> >> both consult and teach/train
> >>
> >
> > why is that?
> >
> As a consultant and teacher/trainer, I can answer that. Consulting
> requires hard, analytical focus on problem, process, and solution. The
> consultant's output is specific direction and procedures, typically
> communicated on the consultant's preferred level, with his or her
> preferred (paid-for, remember) methods. The objective is to deliver the
> message, to change the recipient's projected path.
>
> Teaching and/or training requires a soft, empathic focus on others'
> skills and behaviors, along with a flexible ability to communicate on
> someone else's level and channel. The objective is to inspire the
> motivation to explore and integrate the message with the recipient's
> current path.
>
> Communication is the eliciting of a response. Effective communication is
> the eliciting of a desired response. The consultant and the
> teacher/trainer gear their communication for different responses, and
> therefore develop and practice different methods.  It's a rare bird who
> can shift from one objective to the other smoothly, easily, without
> disrupting the progress of the "objective of the moment".
>
> ---- Jerry Muelver
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Mar 25 23:52:16 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 22:52:16 -0600
Subject: Deleting A Card
In-Reply-To: <004101c6466f$204784f0$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>
References: <004101c6466f$204784f0$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>
Message-ID: <44261E00.8010800@hyperactivesw.com>

Andy wrote:
> Hiya all,
>  
> I'm still just playing with RunRev, but I've come across what appears to be
> a problem. I created a mainstack and added seven cards (just running through
> the tutorials). I've now come to do something proper with them but I can't
> delete any of the cards.
>  
> I move to the card I want to delete, choose object-> delete card, say 'yes',
> but nothing happens. A bug or am I missing something peculiar to RunRev?

Probably not a bug. You can't delete the last card in the stack, but it 
sounds like you still have 7 of them. Take a look at the "cantDelete" 
property of each card and see if it is set. When cantDelete is true, you 
can't...um...delete.

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From jhj at jhj.com  Sat Mar 25 23:53:26 2006
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry J)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 20:53:26 -0800
Subject: a rare bird...consult and teach/train
In-Reply-To: <20060326025754.A3D6E825968@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060326025754.A3D6E825968@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <7AE2120D-20E3-496D-A2B0-97717D893B43@jhj.com>

> Subject: Re: a rare bird...consult and teach/train
> Erik Hansen wrote:
>> --- Dan Shafer <revolutionary.dan at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It's a rare bird who can
>>> both consult and teach/train
>>>
>>
>> why is that?
>>
> As a consultant and teacher/trainer, I can answer that. Consulting
> requires hard, analytical focus on problem, process, and solution. The
> consultant's output is specific direction and procedures, typically
> communicated on the consultant's preferred level, with his or her
> preferred (paid-for, remember) methods. The objective is to deliver  
> the
> message, to change the recipient's projected path.
>
> Teaching and/or training requires a soft, empathic focus on others'
> skills and behaviors, along with a flexible ability to communicate on
> someone else's level and channel. The objective is to inspire the
> motivation to explore and integrate the message with the recipient's
> current path.
>
> Communication is the eliciting of a response. Effective  
> communication is
> the eliciting of a desired response. The consultant and the
> teacher/trainer gear their communication for different responses, and
> therefore develop and practice different methods.  It's a rare bird  
> who
> can shift from one objective to the other smoothly, easily, without
> disrupting the progress of the "objective of the moment".
>
> ---- Jerry Muelver

Jerry, that is extremely well put! I have just been in a situation  
where I had to try to do both. I'm not so bad at either, but  
switching is quite difficult and frustrating. Remembering your words  
will surely help me in the future. Its a text clipping on my desktop.

I arrived at a remote client's place two weeks ago on a Wed. morning  
with 3 days of work to do in the server room. I never even got  
started. The minute I walked in the door, the people needing teaching/ 
training started in on me. No problem, they are all friends.

Last week I arranged another visit which was accidentally coincident  
with a visit from a local independent who is *excellent* at teaching/ 
training but has never written a line of code in her life. She's also  
adept at installing & fixing, which isn't the same as programming.  
So, I got some work done in the server room. She got nothing done  
configuring the new computers.

Thanks for the insight!
-- Jerry Jensen



From klaus at major-k.de  Sun Mar 26 04:57:54 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 11:57:54 +0200
Subject: Deleting A Card
In-Reply-To: <44261E00.8010800@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <004101c6466f$204784f0$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>
	<44261E00.8010800@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4C3FE8CF-539C-4503-BDDC-5BF932049C61@major-k.de>

HI Andy and Jaqueline,

> Andy wrote:
>> Hiya all,
>>  I'm still just playing with RunRev, but I've come across what  
>> appears to be
>> a problem. I created a mainstack and added seven cards (just  
>> running through
>> the tutorials). I've now come to do something proper with them but  
>> I can't
>> delete any of the cards.
>>  I move to the card I want to delete, choose object-> delete card,  
>> say 'yes',
>> but nothing happens. A bug or am I missing something peculiar to  
>> RunRev?
>
> Probably not a bug. You can't delete the last card in the stack,  
> but it sounds like you still have 7 of them. Take a look at the  
> "cantDelete" property of each card and see if it is set. When  
> cantDelete is true, you can't...um...delete.

IMPORTANT HINT!!!!!

Please be aware that deleting the last card will not actually delete  
that last card
BUT!!!!! it will delete ALL CONTENT of that card and that is not  
undoable!

And this is not documented!

I was hit once by this phenomenon once quite heavily :-(

> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From katir at hindu.org  Sun Mar 26 03:06:15 2006
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 22:06:15 -1000
Subject: TOC hyperlinks to same field text below
In-Reply-To: <442611EA.10501@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <B3A22E64-4DA0-40BB-9FFD-C9D85E53C214@hindu.org>
	<442611EA.10501@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <B7640B7D-7641-4CA7-8484-3C4F4D36210C@hindu.org>

Fascinating solution. Is there a way to get the field to set the  
scroll such that the found line is the top line of the field?

Sivakatirswami


On Mar 25, 2006, at 6:00 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> I use a trick. Use a script to put a non-typeable character, like  
> numToChar(3) or numToChar(8), after the text you need to find. I do  
> this with a temporary handler in the field:
>
> on selectionchanged
>   put numtochar(8) after the selection
> end selectionchanged
>
> Then I just click my way through the body of the text, adding  
> invisible characters as I go.
>
> Change the "find" command in the linkClicked handler so that it  
> adds that character to the string to find, and use "find string":
>
> on linkclicked pLinkText
>  find string pLinkText & numToChar(8)
> end linkclicked



From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Sun Mar 26 06:50:56 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 12:50:56 +0100
Subject: start using and standalones??
In-Reply-To: <745e934a0603251059nd953109td5ad2f0e0f300334@mail.gmail.com>
References: <745e934a0603251059nd953109td5ad2f0e0f300334@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <72180B4E-7F7A-4DED-B9FA-DCE98755E024@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

This was just a test, if I were to do this for real, I'd return  
gLibStackUsageCount so that the caller would know if the Stack was  
still available or not.

All the Best
Dave


On 25 Mar 2006, at 18:59, Mark Smith wrote:

> I don't see why it wouldn't work, but I have to ask: why are you using
> functions rather than handlers when no values need to be returned? Not
> that it matters, I'm just curious.
>
> Mark
>
> On 25 Mar 2006, at 18:10, David Burgun wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Yes, I think you are right from my experimenting.
>
> I would like to be able to to only stop using a stack when the last
> stack that did a start using calls stop using!
>
> Do you think that this would work?
>
> global gLibStackUsageCount
>
> function UtilStartUsing()
> add 1 to gLibStackUsageCount
> start using "LibStack"
> end UtilStartUsing
>
>
> function UtilStopUsing
> subtract 1 from gLibStartUsageCount
>
> if gLibStackUsageCount <= 0 then
>   stop using "LibStack"
> end if
> end UtilStopUsing
>
> Thanks a lot
> All the Best
> Dave
>
>
> On 25 Mar 2006, at 17:59, Mark Smith wrote:
>
> I believe 'start using' puts the script of it's object at the back of
> the message path, so is effectively global.
> 'Stop using' removes it again, so it should only be necessary to
> 'start using' once, at start up.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 25 Mar 2006, at 17:52, David Burgun wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have been experimenting with "start using" in the IDE:
>
> If I have 2 stacks (mainStacks), Test1 and Test2.
>
> If I do: start using "LibStack" in Test1, I can then access functions
> in "LibStack" from either Test1 or Test 2.
>
> If I do: stop using "LibStack| in Test1 or Test2 then I cannot access
> functions in LibStack from either stack.
>
> Is this the same if I had a standalone app?
>
> I usually ship my RunRev apps as a number of discrete .rev files and
> use a Dummy Splash Screen Stack which I build into a Standalone and
> launch this to get the ball rolling.
>
> In this case would I need to perform the start using in all stacks
> that use the library or just once?
>
> Thanks a lot
> All the Best
> Dave
>
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From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Sun Mar 26 07:05:12 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 13:05:12 +0100
Subject: libraryStack question
In-Reply-To: <E41EFFC9-006D-4CAE-8F40-4FD740E64A71@maseurope.net>
References: <44258844.5030900@fourthworld.com>
	<E41EFFC9-006D-4CAE-8F40-4FD740E64A71@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <E674554E-8541-4D90-842F-367112EF2290@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

I don't seem to get this. all I get is:

  stack "/Users/Dave/Desktop/TestLib/Lib.rev",libraryStack,8

Which is the Library stack, no mention of the stack that contains the  
"start using" command which is called "Test1".

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Davce


On 25 Mar 2006, at 18:41, Mark Smith wrote:

> Exactly, I get this (for the particular set up I used to test it)
>
> button id 1004 of card id 1002 of stack "mm",mouseUp,2
> stack "ss" of stack "mm",libraryStack,2
>
> where stack "mm" is the stack issuing the  'library stack "ss"'
>
> and stack "ss" is the stack being 'libraried', and which contains  
> the 'on libraryStack' handler
>
> Mark
>
> On 25 Mar 2006, at 18:13, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> David Burgun wrote:
>> > Mark Smith wrote:
>> >> Try
>> >>
>> >> On libraryStack
>> >>   put the executionContexts
>> >> end libraryStack
>> >
>> > I tried that and I get is this:
>> >
>> > stack "/Users/Dave/Desktop/TestLib/Lib.rev",libraryStack,8
>> >
>> > The name of the stack that did the start using is "Test1",
>> > so I don't  think this is what I want.
>>
>> Is that all you got?  The result from the executionContexts is  
>> usually multi-line...
>>
>> -- 
>>  Richard Gaskin
>>  Fourth World Media Corporation
>>  ___________________________________________________________
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From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Sun Mar 26 07:08:56 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 13:08:56 +0100
Subject: start using and standalones??
In-Reply-To: <b85e49f290a32488ab862bf5bf11c331@wanadoo.fr>
References: <b85e49f290a32488ab862bf5bf11c331@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <081A3171-EF04-4196-BBC6-C1879A991E48@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

Not, not Hush-Hush at all! I keep all my .rev files as separate  
files. I have a folder structure like this (names without an  
extension are folders:

AppName                     <-  Main App Folder.
AppName.rev              <-  This is the "Splash-Screen" Stack and is  
built into a Standalone.
RunTIme/Externals   <-  A place to keep External Commands
RunTime/Images     <-A place to keep images
RunTime/Stacks     <-A place to keep the .rev files for the Application.

The AppName.rev file displays a splash-screen (but it doesn't have  
to) and then starts up the App proper by transferring to a .rev file  
in the RunTime/Stacks folder. I usually call this "AppMain.Rev". A  
Typical app might have the following .rev files associated with it:

About.rev            Stack to Display the about box.
Prefs.rev              Stack to Handle Preferences.
GloablsUtils.rev    Stack to hold "Global" Utility functions/handlers  
that can be used anywhere in the App.
AppMain.rev        Stack that contains the Application you are  
developing.

Of course you can add as many .rev files for this as you like.

I use this structure in the IDE, but when a Standalone is built the  
structure is replicated in the Standalone. On windows it creates a  
new folder, but on Mac all the folders are inside the App "Package"  
and so hidden from the user.

I also have code contained in the "Splash-Screen" Stack  which runs  
when the Standalone is built and copies folders and files from the  
IDE into the Standalone folder.

Hope this helps, feel free to ask more if you like.
All the Best
Dave

On 25 Mar 2006, at 21:42, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:

> Dave,
>
> Your sentence tickled my interest.  I want to launch my Rev stacks
> in a convenient way, and I will listen to all solutions.
>
> Can you explain ?
>
> Unless, of course, it is "Hush-Hush" !
>
> -Francis
>
> "Nothing should ever be done for the first time ?"
>
>>
>> I usually ship my RunRev apps as a number of discrete .rev files
>> and use a Dummy Splash Screen Stack which I build into a Standalone
>> and launch this to get the ball rolling.
>
>
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From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Sun Mar 26 07:10:44 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 13:10:44 +0100
Subject: start using and standalones??
In-Reply-To: <b85e49f290a32488ab862bf5bf11c331@wanadoo.fr>
References: <b85e49f290a32488ab862bf5bf11c331@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <97F0B863-2149-4BB5-A9CF-4C02A81040C4@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

Not, not Hush-Hush at all! I keep all my .rev files as separate  
files. I have a folder structure like this (names without an  
extension are folders:

AppName                     <-  Main App Folder.
AppName.rev              <-  This is the "Splash-Screen" Stack and is  
built into a Standalone.
RunTIme/Externals   <-  A place to keep External Commands
RunTime/Images     <-A place to keep images
RunTime/Stacks     <-A place to keep the .rev files for the Application.

The AppName.rev file displays a splash-screen (but it doesn't have  
to) and then starts up the App proper by transferring to a .rev file  
in the RunTime/Stacks folder. I usually call this "AppMain.Rev". A  
Typical app might have the following .rev files associated with it:

About.rev            Stack to Display the about box.
Prefs.rev              Stack to Handle Preferences.
GloablsUtils.rev    Stack to hold "Global" Utility functions/handlers  
that can be used anywhere in the App.
AppMain.rev        Stack that contains the Application you are  
developing.

Of course you can add as many .rev files for this as you like.

I use this structure in the IDE, but when a Standalone is built the  
structure is replicated in the Standalone. On windows it creates a  
new folder, but on Mac all the folders are inside the App "Package"  
and so hidden from the user.

I also have code contained in the "Splash-Screen" Stack  which runs  
when the Standalone is built and copies folders and files from the  
IDE into the Standalone folder.

Hope this helps, feel free to ask more if you like.
All the Best
Dave

On 25 Mar 2006, at 21:42, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:

> Dave,
>
> Your sentence tickled my interest.  I want to launch my Rev stacks
> in a convenient way, and I will listen to all solutions.
>
> Can you explain ?
>
> Unless, of course, it is "Hush-Hush" !
>
> -Francis
>
> "Nothing should ever be done for the first time ?"



From livfoss at mac.com  Sun Mar 26 08:36:55 2006
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 15:36:55 +0200
Subject: Avoiding line cut-off in a multipage printout
Message-ID: <61693834-0488-4160-9FEA-048DA7D8D45C@mac.com>

I have a print routine adapted from something Hugh Senior put in The  
Scripter's Scrapbook (thanks Hugh). I may well have done something  
stupid to it, but I am making heavy weather of making sure that if  
I'm printing more than a single page of text, the last line on any  
given page is not cut off so that only part of the line shows.

The issue is that AFAIK, RunRev thinks only in terms of pixels and  
not in terms of lines of type. In these circumstances the only way I  
can think of to avoid the cutoff is to add up all the formatted  
heights of the successive lines until I find I've overflowed my page  
area, then backtrack one whole line and print that (I'm thinking of a  
generalised routine which will handle lines in different fonts and of  
different heights, so I can't simply look at the height of the first  
line and work from there).

This works but it seem incredibly clunky. I assume that this problem  
has been solved many times, and that maybe there is even a way of  
telling RR that you want to print in whole lines but I've somehow  
missed it.

I'd be grateful for any advice.

Graham
----------------------------------------
Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France



From martinblackman at gmail.com  Sun Mar 26 08:58:08 2006
From: martinblackman at gmail.com (Martin Blackman)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 21:58:08 +0800
Subject: Avoiding line cut-off in a multipage printout
In-Reply-To: <61693834-0488-4160-9FEA-048DA7D8D45C@mac.com>
References: <61693834-0488-4160-9FEA-048DA7D8D45C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <79d1bee70603260558x66663d37h@mail.gmail.com>

That doesn't sound too far removed from what I'm doing on an
application I'm working on.

You could use the formattedheight of the field to check against a
pre-determined page height. If you're over then put the text into a
new field to go on the following page.

If you want to squeeze more on to a page you could use the printscale
property or the 'print into rect' form.

regards
Martin Blackman


From rcozens at pon.net  Sun Mar 26 10:10:07 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 07:10:07 -0800
Subject: Shamelessly Soliciting Windows Developers' Votes II
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860603251310y13ab4caekdbf1e114fad384de@mail.gmail.com>
References: <95C9C13D-E82E-4612-8744-ACE489C1F846@adelphia.net>
	<0EB1AF7A-BC13-11DA-925A-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<f99b52860603251310y13ab4caekdbf1e114fad384de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9CB8803E-BCDA-11DA-8300-0030657E1638@pon.net>


Hi Sarah,

> I'm not a Windows developer, but I like the idea of a Tablet and hope
> Apple comes out with one soon. I have trouble working out why they
> aren't more popular. Anyway, you have my votes.
>

My foolesh conclusion is the price.  When people can buy a Windows box 
for under $500, many will not understand or believe the additional TPC 
features are worth the $2K entry price for a new TPC.

Thanks for your vote.

  Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Sun Mar 26 10:51:36 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 16:51:36 +0100
Subject: Correct Syntax???!!!
In-Reply-To: <44258661.4080103@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <44243654.9030508@fourthworld.com>
	<B23C9907-5DA5-40B9-994B-A578DBB1DD96@dsl.pipex.com>
	<44246189.4020700@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9A01299D-A2EA-4DF6-BEC5-627D33B716C9@dsl.pipex.com>
	<44258661.4080103@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <716EA12F-400F-48D5-9CE5-721AF50EC943@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

I think we are talking about two similar things here and they are  
getting muddled!

1.  Developing new controls and code to control them.
2.  Re-using Existing Controls or Groups of Controls that are stored  
in an "ObjectLibrary"  (which is really just a "Dummy" stack that is  
used to store the objects).

For point 1, you have to write new code regardless of the method  
employed. Whether it's in one location or spread over a few different  
objects make no real odds. The Code to solve the problem will be  
roughly the same. The main difference is that using ISM I can then  
make the new Group/Control available via the "ObjectLibrary" and it  
will work with any existing objects in the library.

For point 2, I can just drop a number of objects/groups from the  
Object Library into a new stack and they will interact with each  
other without changing *anything*, *anywhere*. Also if I want the  
same group/object twice, then I just paste it twice and change the  
Custom Property that specifies the "kind" of message. This means of  
course that code in a control may be duplicated in another control.  
However, this is nothing stopping you having a "common" function  
defined in the Group that can be called from all the controls within  
that group, I do this a lot. Also there is nothing stopping you  
"listening" at the group level, then the Message will be sent to the  
Group and it can do what it needs to do to the objects "below" it, in  
the same way as having a "mouseUp" handler in the group and using  
"target". In fact "target" still works and returns the target of the  
control that caused the event (e.g ControlX:mouseUp->ISMPutMessage- 
 >GroupY:MessageHanlder returns the target "ControlX". The fact that  
the message was delivered via ISM doesn't matter). Similarly Groups/ 
Controls can do a "start using" and get access to all routines  
defined in a Library Stack. I haven't tried it but I can't see any  
reason why Front/Back Scripts wouldn't work either. So ISM isn't  
ignoring the xTalk environment it's just making it easier to re-use  
objects and it's ensuring that only objects that need to have an  
action taken are visited.

In a similar manner you can also "listen" at the card or stack level  
or have "common" functions at the Card or Stack Level.

It also aids in documentation since you can easily do something like  
this (which I am in the process or doing):

Name:                         Group_Select_Folder
Purpose:                     Allows the User to choose a folder and  
broadcasts the folder to all listening objects.
Message Sent:          msg_FolderSelected, sends cpFolderKind and the  
Path Name of the Folder selected.
Custom Properties:  cpFolderKind, defaulted to "FolderKindX", change  
if you wish to send a different folder kind.
Message Handled:  None.
Comments:

Name:                         Group_File_List
Purpose:                     Displays a List of Files in a Specified  
Folder, allows the user to select a file and broadcasts the file to  
all listening objects.
Message Sent:          msg_FileSelected, sends cpFileKind and the  
Path Name of the File selected.
Custom Properties:  cpFolderKind, defaulted to "FolderKindX", change  
if you wish to receive a different folder kind.
                                     cpFileKind, defaulted to  
"FileKindX", change if you wish to send a different file kind.
Message Handled:  msg_FolderSelected.
Comments:

It makes debugging easier too. I have some functions in ISM that  
switch on/off Debug mode. With Debugging enabled, ISM will dump  
information into a field or file and you can then trace the messages  
being sent and which handlers are being called, along with the  
message data. There are also filters that work in a similar (but more  
specialized) way to the Message Watcher in the IDE. It also dumps the  
time in the message handler so you can see how long a particular  
message takes to process.

> No, there is no hard-coding of object names in the script anywhere.  
> That is always a bad idea and always to be avoided. And the script  
> example I posted deals transparently with new objects, deleted  
> objects, and existing objects. You don't have to do anything.

Ok, then you have to scan all objects.
>
> As for visiting each object, this isn't much of an issue given  
> Revolution's engine speed; I have successfully updated thousands of  
> objects in a preopenstack handler in only a few ticks. With your  
> method, there must be some way for the "listening" objects to know  
> they are supposed to listen.

I keep a number of Arrays which are fast. There is some overhead in  
the "send" command but I've found it is faster then visiting all  
objects especially when dealing with multiple stacks.

> The only way you can do that without scanning all objects in the  
> stack is to keep a list somewhere of which objects need to be  
> triggered, and use "send" to send an instruction to each object in  
> the list in order to trigger that response. The "send" command has  
> a high overhead; I'd guess that with a long list of objects to  
> trigger your method could take as much time or longer than a simple  
> repeat scan. Another disadvantage to keeping such a list is that  
> you have yet another detail to maintain in your setup.

I really can't see this! Say you had 100 objects but only 10 needed  
to be updated. The code to do the updating would be roughly the same  
in either case, so we are only talking about 10 additional "sends" as  
the overhead. I can't see that running a repeat loop for 90  
additional objects is faster than doing 10 sends.

Surely the only time scanning all objects would be faster in this  
case is if the number of objects needing "action" at a given time is  
near to the total number of objects, the worse case being if all 100  
needed action. In this case my method would incur the time taken to  
do 100 sends, however the actual processing time needed to perform  
the action(s) is likely to be large in this case and the overhead of  
one additional send per object would be a small percentage of the  
total processing time.

If we now change the total number of objects to 1000, but only 10  
needed to be updated then you are visiting 990 additional objects!

The real point here is that using your method you can't tell in  
general how much overhead an update for a particular action will  
take, it will depend on the total number of objects, e.g. the  
algorithm is data dependent and will slow down as the number of  
objects grows. Whereas my method I can calculate the overhead exactly  
and that overhead will be in direct proportion to the number of  
objects needing attention as a result of an event.

According to Richard Gaskin a Send operation has an overhead of   
0.011 ms. So for 100 objects we are talking about 1.1 thousandths of  
a second and for 1000, 11 thousandths of a second and that's only if  
*ALL* the objects needed attention. I doubt if a user would even  
notice this!

This is one thing that was drilled into me as a youth when I first  
started programming - "Data dependent algorithms should be avoided  
wherever possible".

> I'll snip the rest; I really didn't mean to start an argument. And  
> I get the feeling that neither of us really understands the other's  
> method, so I probably shouldn't keep talking. I only wanted to  
> point out to those who may still be following this that your method  
> adds some overhead and a degree of complexity that isn't necessary,  
> and it ignores the native message path and object inheritance that  
> Revolution depends on for efficiency. Using Revolution's native  
> techniques, I believe, will be simpler and more productive. But if  
> you have found a way to do something you like, that's fine with me.  
> I certainly have no argument with that, and it is proof that Rev  
> can be used in so many ways that it can accomodate all styles and  
> scripting techniques. If you like how your method works, that's  
> great. Really, I don't have an disagreement with that.

See above, my method doesn't stop you from doing this.

I snipped the rest too, since I think the first few paragraphs  
explain how we are talking at cross purposes here and hopefully  
explains my method a little more clearly. You don't *need* to have a  
script on *each* control, you can handle the message at a higher  
level if you want to and it doesn't stop you from using any of the  
features of the xTalk environment. There are differing levels of  
control here:

> Sigh. No, I'm not scared of "different" things. You've been using  
> xtalk for 2 years, I've been using it for 21 years. I have pretty  
> much figured out, I think, which methods work best. In my HyperCard  
> days, someone told me once that I wrote the most elegant and  
> efficient code they had ever seen. I don't usually toot my own  
> horn, but that was something that made me very proud. I have spent  
> quite a bit of time figuring out what works and I use those methods  
> in my professional work. But I have no "fear" of any experimental  
> method you choose to use. I probably won't use it myself, as it  
> doesn't seem to be the best use of the xtalk paradigm, but feel  
> free by all means.

I wasn't really aiming that remark at you personally or anyone on  
this list. I was actually a bit hacked off with the attitude of  
someone I work with who won't even look at anything unless it's coded  
in C++! I had just gotton off the phone with him when I wrote it and  
I suppose it bubbled over into this discussion. Please accept my  
sincere apologies if I caused offense. You have been of great help to  
me in on the list in the past and I would like to take this  
opportunely to say "THANKS A LOT".

Take Care and All the Best
Dave
  


From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Sun Mar 26 11:44:14 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 17:44:14 +0100
Subject: RAD - Case Study Version 1
In-Reply-To: <44259503.9040105@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <D1BB3520-AAF5-4DA6-A38D-9C9D1DCA25A6@dsl.pipex.com>
	<44259503.9040105@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <72C0EFF2-4D8D-47C0-95E4-649E886C1DB6@dsl.pipex.com>


On 25 Mar 2006, at 19:07, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Okay, I'll bite. I have just created your version 1. I have not  
> looked at version 2 yet.
>
> Here is my setup:
>
> 1 button: Choose
> 3 flds: BaseFolder, FolderContents, FileContents
>
> These controls were grouped. No name or custom properties were  
> assigned to anything. I set the listBehavior of the FolderContents  
> field to true, and put vertical scrollbars on FolderContents and  
> FileContents. Setup time: about 1 minute.

Setting up the controls so they look nice will be the same and will  
depend on what the customer wants. I'm happy to say this is even.

>
> Scripts:
>
> ** Choose button:
>
> on mouseUp
>   answer folder "Choose the base folder:"
>   if it <> "" then setFolder it
> end mouseUp
>
>
> ** FolderContents field:
>
> on selectionChanged
>   putFileContents (the selectedtext of me)
> end selectionChanged
>
> ** Stack script:
>
> on setfolder tFolder
>   put the ID of the owner of the target into tGrp
>   put tFolder into fld "basefolder" of grp ID tGrp
>   put the directory into tOldDir
>   set the directory to tFolder
>   put the files into fld "folderContents" of grp ID tGrp
>   put "" into fld "fileContents" of grp ID tGrp
>   set the directory to tOldDir
> end setfolder

Ok the actual gathering of the Files in a Folder is handled in my app  
was handled in a Library Stack so the code necessary to do this is  
not duped all over the place. You could do the same so the time taken  
to code this would be roughly the same. The same goes for getting the  
file contents.
>
> on putFileContents tFile
>   put the ID of the owner of the target into tGrp
>   put fld "basefolder" of grp ID tGrp & slash & tFile into tFilePath
>   put url ("file:"&tFilePath) into fld "fileContents" of grp ID tGrp
> end putFileContents

Ok, but you are hard coding control names which I was trying to  
avoid. For instance If the customer didn't want the path of the  
folder displayed anymore (e.g. there was just a choose button) then  
all I'd have to do is to delete the field. Using the method above  
you'd have to change the script otherwise you'd get an execution  
error. The same goes for any field, using ISM deleting a control  
stops the action initiator from sending to that control (since they  
no longer are "listening"). I guess you could prefix all control  
accesses with an "if exists() then" clause but this gets cumbersome  
and adds additional overhead. Also if the user wanted the folder path  
displayed in a number of places (say in different card(s) or even in  
different stack(s)), you'd have to change the script, whereas I'd  
just have to copy and paste the existing Folder Path name field and  
it would automatically pick up the folder when it was selected.

Also with my method I can paste in a control from another group and  
it will instantiate itself automatically and since there are no hard- 
coded control names you don't get any execution errors.

Also if you wanted these groups in another stack you'd have to paste  
the groups and then paste the Stack Script. If you already had  
handlers with the same name in the Stack Script you'd have to do some  
jiggerling in order to make it work.

With my method when

> Comparing our methods:
>
> Thing                       Mine         Yours
>
> # of objects with scripts     3             8
> # of custom properties        0             3
> # objects with custom props   0             8
> Total lines of script        21            63

Point taken about the number of Scripts, but bearing in mind the  
above flexibility, I'd rather have more scripts and not have to  
change things in other scripts. I could cut down on the number of  
scripts and sacrifice flexibility by "Listening" at a higher level.

All the Best
Dave








From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Sun Mar 26 11:47:51 2006
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 18:47:51 +0200
Subject: Pasting part of an image to a specific loc by scripting?
Message-ID: <4426C5B7.5070208@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

On Fr,  24.03.2006, I had written:

> Is it possible to paste a copied portion of an image to another place 
> in that same image by scripting, e.g. the topleft quarter to the 
> topright quarter?
>
> The paste command always places the copied part of an image at the 
> center of the image as in the following script, so what kind of 
> parameters should be added?:
>
> (snip)
>
> As usual, the solution is probably quite simple, but I cannot find any 
> relevant information how to to this in the docs.
>
> As a workaround, one could use a succession of snapshots and the 
> deleting of the interim images, but I think there must be an easier 
> way using paste, drag, move etc.
>
> Any suggestions are welcome!



The lack of responses to this question probably implies that the answer 
is definitely "no" and at the same time points to the level of urgency 
of my information request, which is indeed something very much like a 
side-issue.

It is possible to paste part of an image - using "choose select tool", 
"drag from x,y to x2,y,2", "copy", and "paste" with an appropriate 
script - as a *new image* to the center of the screen, which then can be 
dragged like any other object to a specific loc. However to "combine" 
(not a keyword) the layers of the two images is then only possible with 
a snapshot and deleting the last two images underneath.

Pasting a selection into the image itself - this was my question - 
always results in the copied selection being put at the loc of the image 
- and what is important here - without any possibility to move the 
pasted selection anywhere else as it has become an *integrated* part of 
the image.
You could of course again select the pasted part - after having done 
your math - with the select tool and drag it elsewhere by script, but 
that would leave the area of the image from where the selection was 
drawn as "blank".

The engine apparently knows how to place selections of an image to a 
specific location; each time it has to compute the point where to paste: 
either the screenloc or the center of the image into which the selection 
should be put.

Therefore it must be relatively easy to add a new feature for pasting 
image selections using a syntax like "paste at x,y".

I will submit an enhancement request.

Regards,

Wilhelm Sanke
<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia



From rcozens at pon.net  Sun Mar 26 11:58:09 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 08:58:09 -0800
Subject: Matching Colors On WinXP
In-Reply-To: <95C9C13D-E82E-4612-8744-ACE489C1F846@adelphia.net>
References: <95C9C13D-E82E-4612-8744-ACE489C1F846@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <B3CF2564-BCE9-11DA-A5C4-0030657E1638@pon.net>

All,

When I was developing on a Mac, I often used the Color Picker's 
"magnifying glass" to select a color I wanted to match in an image or 
some other control.  It seems the best XP's Color Picker will do is 
allow me to identify "Custom Colors" by hue, saturation, etc.

How do I match an existing color?

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From bvg at mac.com  Sun Mar 26 11:59:17 2006
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 18:59:17 +0200
Subject: RAD - Case Study Version 1
In-Reply-To: <72C0EFF2-4D8D-47C0-95E4-649E886C1DB6@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <D1BB3520-AAF5-4DA6-A38D-9C9D1DCA25A6@dsl.pipex.com>
	<44259503.9040105@hyperactivesw.com>
	<72C0EFF2-4D8D-47C0-95E4-649E886C1DB6@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <efa735bb78c894ceea4ddcd0d31876a4@mac.com>


On Mar 26 2006, at 18:44, David Burgun wrote:

> Ok, but you are hard coding control names which I was trying to avoid. 
> For instance If the customer didn't want the path of the folder 
> displayed anymore (e.g. there was just a choose button) then all I'd 
> have to do is to delete the field.


You can hide fields, so they don't show up anymore, but receive 
messages. Check the "hide" and "show" commands as well as the "visible" 
property.

-- 

official ChatRev page:
http://chatrev.bjoernke.com

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev"



From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Sun Mar 26 12:32:19 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 18:32:19 +0100
Subject: RAD - Case Study Version 1
In-Reply-To: <efa735bb78c894ceea4ddcd0d31876a4@mac.com>
References: <D1BB3520-AAF5-4DA6-A38D-9C9D1DCA25A6@dsl.pipex.com>
	<44259503.9040105@hyperactivesw.com>
	<72C0EFF2-4D8D-47C0-95E4-649E886C1DB6@dsl.pipex.com>
	<efa735bb78c894ceea4ddcd0d31876a4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F5C2311E-5037-45D5-88A5-0A88DD987F51@dsl.pipex.com>


On 26 Mar 2006, at 17:59, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

>
> On Mar 26 2006, at 18:44, David Burgun wrote:
>
>> Ok, but you are hard coding control names which I was trying to  
>> avoid. For instance If the customer didn't want the path of the  
>> folder displayed anymore (e.g. there was just a choose button)  
>> then all I'd have to do is to delete the field.
>
>
> You can hide fields, so they don't show up anymore, but receive  
> messages. Check the "hide" and "show" commands as well as the  
> "visible" property.

True. I could do that too, but having objects that are not visible  
simply because deleting them causes an execution error isn't really  
good practice IMO.

If you have cause to revisit the app a year later the chances are you  
won't understand why the object is there and waste time tying to  
figure it out!

All the Best
Dave




From benbock at msn.com  Sun Mar 26 12:33:42 2006
From: benbock at msn.com (Ben Bock)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 09:33:42 -0800
Subject: mouseUp stacking from user double clicks
Message-ID: <BAY106-DAV10775314258D3C2E95360CA9DD0@phx.gbl>

My user app is a series of quizzes.  In troubleshooting, I found that if users "double click" a button (either from error or impatience) that both codes an answer and moves to the next card-item, the second, unnecessary click will transfer to the next card.  How can I stop this?

Thank you for the help on this and prior questions,

Ben 

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Mar 26 12:41:51 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 11:41:51 -0600
Subject: Correct Syntax???!!!
In-Reply-To: <716EA12F-400F-48D5-9CE5-721AF50EC943@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <44243654.9030508@fourthworld.com>
	<B23C9907-5DA5-40B9-994B-A578DBB1DD96@dsl.pipex.com>
	<44246189.4020700@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9A01299D-A2EA-4DF6-BEC5-627D33B716C9@dsl.pipex.com>
	<44258661.4080103@hyperactivesw.com>
	<716EA12F-400F-48D5-9CE5-721AF50EC943@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <4426D25F.7090102@hyperactivesw.com>

David Burgun wrote:

 > I think we are talking about two similar things here and they are
 > getting muddled!

Very possible. :) You know, the best thing would be if you would create 
a demo stack and post it to RevOnline or somewhere else where people 
could look at it. That would do a lot to clear up any misunderstandings 
and would make your technique much easier to follow than a text 
description on the list.


 > I wasn't really aiming that remark at you personally or anyone on  this
 > list. I was actually a bit hacked off with the attitude of  someone I
 > work with who won't even look at anything unless it's coded  in C++! I
 > had just gotton off the phone with him when I wrote it and  I suppose it
 > bubbled over into this discussion. Please accept my  sincere apologies
 > if I caused offense. You have been of great help to  me in on the list
 > in the past and I would like to take this  opportunely to say "THANKS A
 > LOT".

No problem, and you are very welcome. I want to pay forward, as they 
say. Lots of people helped me when I was learning, and I feel I owe 
something back.

I have a deep, long-standing love of xtalk and anything we can do to 
promote it is good. Tell your co-worker they are all wet. ;) Someone 
else on the list had a similar situation and took up a project that 
would have taken a C programmer months to complete. He finished it in 2 
weeks. The boss was convinced. You could try the same, if there is an 
opportunity. Watch their jaw drop. Smirking in response is allowed.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Sun Mar 26 12:43:17 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 18:43:17 +0100
Subject: RAD - Case Study Version 2
In-Reply-To: <44259F1C.4090202@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <9F879CCF-19A7-462A-B425-15CF4AE30502@dsl.pipex.com>
	<44259F1C.4090202@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <349BFBDC-1945-409C-BCA2-CD4E07F14577@dsl.pipex.com>


On 25 Mar 2006, at 19:50, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> I've done version 2. It took me longer to figure out your scripts  
> than to write my own. Total scripting time was actually about ten  
> minutes, the rest was in trying to decipher yours so as to figure  
> out what I needed to do.

Ok! That's usually the case in my experience!

>
>> Using ISM all I had to do was this:
>> 1. Copy and Paste the existing groups in question -   
>> Group_SelectFolder, Group_SelectFile and Group_FileContents so  
>> there  were now two of each.
>> 2. Arrange the new groups nicely in the window.
>> 3. Change any user visible text to read A and B as appropriate.
>> 4. Change the custom properties "cpFolderKind" and "cpFileKind"  
>> so  that the new groups now read FolderKindB and FileKindB.
>> That's all I needed to do to get the basic functionality of having  
>> 2  x Base Folders, 2 x FIle Lists and 2 x File Contents working.  
>> (I  repeated this action just now in a test stack and it took less  
>> than 5  minutes).
>
> I did exactly the same thing, but I didn't need to do step 4  
> because my method uses no custom properties. I option-dragged the  
> existing group to create a duplicate. Took 2 seconds, and that is  
> all that was required.

I didn't know about option-drag! Thanks!

>> With this working, I needed to add a new Group to do the compare.  
>> The  pseudo code for this (very close to the real code) is shown  
>> below  marked as Version 2.
>
> I only added a single button, not in any group, called "Compare".  
> It has a one-liner script:
>
> on mouseup
>  compareFiles
> end mouseup

I didn't need to put it into a group either, I could have just added  
a single button.
>
> After that, all I needed to do was alter the master stack script. I  
> needed to add 1 line to the existing script, and add two new  
> handlers and a constant. Here is what I did:
>
> constant kCompareNumber
>
> on setfolder tFolder -- this one is unchanged
>   put the ID of the owner of the target into tGrp
>   put tFolder into fld "basefolder" of grp ID tGrp
>   put the directory into tOldDir
>   set the directory to tFolder
>   put the files into fld "folderContents" of grp ID tGrp
>   put "" into fld "fileContents" of grp ID tGrp
>   set the directory to tOldDir
> end setfolder
>
> on putFileContents tFile -- added 1 line at end
>   put the ID of the owner of the target into tGrp
>   put fld "basefolder" of grp ID tGrp & slash & tFile into tFilePath
>   put url ("file:"&tFilePath) into fld "fileContents" of grp ID tGrp
>   set the enabled of btn  "Compare" to (the number of items in \
>        validFlds() = kCompareNumber)
> end putFileContents
>
> on compareFiles -- new handler
>   put validFlds() into tFldList
>   if the number of items in tFldList <> kCompareNumber
>   then exit compareFiles
>   repeat for each item i in tFldList
>     set the hilitedlines of fld id i to calcCompare(tFldList)
>   end repeat
> end compareFiles
>
> function validFlds -- new hander
>   repeat with x = 1 to the number of grps
>     if there is a fld "fileContents" of grp x and fld  
> "fileContents" of grp x <> ""
>     then put the ID of fld "fileContents" of grp x & comma after  
> tFldList
>   end repeat
>   delete last char of tFldList
>   return tFldList
> end validFlds
>
> Because these handlers are all in the same script, changing it  
> affects all existing groups and any new groups that are cloned from  
> the existing. I have made the new handlers extensible so that you  
> could compare 3 or 4 or any number of text fields simply by  
> changing the number of items required, which is stored in the  
> constant kCompareNumber.

Ok, I get your point about cloning and having the "master" script  
inherit, it's true you lose some of this by using ISM, but I think  
that the flexibility you gain is worth it.

> You didn't show the actual handler that compares the files, but  
> that's okay, presumably mine and yours would be fairly similar and  
> do the same thing, so we don't have to consider that in our  
> comparison.

Agreed, my compare routine is actually in a Library Stack and it  
takes 2 files as input rather than comparing the contents of a the  
fields.

>
> I didn't have to change anything in the existing groups, and my  
> scripts are (to my eyes, anyway) easier to follow and debug later.  
> They are much shorter. They don't require any custom properties or  
> special treatment.

I didn't 100% need the custom properties, it just seemed better  
practice to do it that way.

> Seems easier to me, but maybe I'm just too used to the xtalk  
> paradigm. By comparison, your way looks complex, difficult to  
> debug, and there are scripts in so very many places that following  
> the messaging path in a debugging session seems harder than it  
> really has to be. Again, maybe it's just my own perception.

In this case I'd agree that debugging may be slightly easier, but on  
a more complex app I'd say my method is easier, since you can easily  
trace a message path.

> It's been an interesting exercise for a Saturday afternoon, thanks  
> for the opportunity. I'll bow out now.

Agreed! Thanks for taking part!
All the Best
Dave



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sun Mar 26 12:54:53 2006
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 09:54:53 -0800
Subject: Matching Colors On WinXP
In-Reply-To: <B3CF2564-BCE9-11DA-A5C4-0030657E1638@pon.net>
Message-ID: <C04C156D.36EB9%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Rob Cozens wrote:

> When I was developing on a Mac, I often used the Color Picker's
> "magnifying glass" to select a color I wanted to match in an image or
> some other control.  It seems the best XP's Color Picker will do is
> allow me to identify "Custom Colors" by hue, saturation, etc.
> 
> How do I match an existing color?

One way is the mouseColor function.

Another way is any of several 3rd party color pickers available from Rev
list members, including us ("tm|color" is available in the Media section of
our site http://www.tactilemedia.com).

Best Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Mar 26 13:02:48 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 12:02:48 -0600
Subject: Deleting A Card
In-Reply-To: <4C3FE8CF-539C-4503-BDDC-5BF932049C61@major-k.de>
References: <004101c6466f$204784f0$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>
	<44261E00.8010800@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4C3FE8CF-539C-4503-BDDC-5BF932049C61@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <4426D748.8010900@hyperactivesw.com>

Klaus Major wrote:

 > Please be aware that deleting the last card will not actually delete
 > that last card
 > BUT!!!!! it will delete ALL CONTENT of that card and that is not 
undoable!

Interesting, I didn't know that. The engine apparently is deleting the 
card, but since you can't have a stack without at least one card, it 
immediately creates a new one. If you compare the IDs of the original 
card and the one that is automatically made after the deletion, the IDs 
are different.

So I'm not sure if this should be called a bug or an expected behavior. 
When you indicate you want to delete the card, it makes sense that's 
what should happen.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Mar 26 13:23:01 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 12:23:01 -0600
Subject: TOC hyperlinks to same field text below
In-Reply-To: <B7640B7D-7641-4CA7-8484-3C4F4D36210C@hindu.org>
References: <B3A22E64-4DA0-40BB-9FFD-C9D85E53C214@hindu.org>
	<442611EA.10501@hyperactivesw.com>
	<B7640B7D-7641-4CA7-8484-3C4F4D36210C@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <4426DC05.2060602@hyperactivesw.com>

Sivakatirswami wrote:
> Fascinating solution. Is there a way to get the field to set the  scroll 
> such that the found line is the top line of the field?

Yes, watch for wrap:

on linkclicked pLinkText
   find string pLinkText & numToChar(8)
   set the scroll of me to (the formattedheight of line 1 to (word 2 of 
the foundline) of me) - the effective textheight of me
   find empty -- removes the box
end linkclicked

Interestingly, subtracting 1 from the foundline and getting the 
formattedheight of that number of lines doesn't give the same result as 
the above. Not sure why, because it should.


> 
> Sivakatirswami
> 
> 
> On Mar 25, 2006, at 6:00 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>> I use a trick. Use a script to put a non-typeable character, like  
>> numToChar(3) or numToChar(8), after the text you need to find. I do  
>> this with a temporary handler in the field:
>>
>> on selectionchanged
>>   put numtochar(8) after the selection
>> end selectionchanged
>>
>> Then I just click my way through the body of the text, adding  
>> invisible characters as I go.
>>
>> Change the "find" command in the linkClicked handler so that it  adds 
>> that character to the string to find, and use "find string":
>>
>> on linkclicked pLinkText
>>  find string pLinkText & numToChar(8)
>> end linkclicked
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Sun Mar 26 13:25:02 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 19:25:02 +0100
Subject: Correct Syntax???!!!
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On 26 Mar 2006, at 18:41, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> David Burgun wrote:
>
> > I think we are talking about two similar things here and they are
> > getting muddled!
>
> Very possible. :) You know, the best thing would be if you would  
> create a demo stack and post it to RevOnline or somewhere else  
> where people could look at it. That would do a lot to clear up any  
> misunderstandings and would make your technique much easier to  
> follow than a text description on the list.

Yes, I am intending on doing just that! The problem is that I have  
some changes I just have to make to ISM before it is fit for use by  
anyone else! You know stuff that I am aware of but haven't gotton  
around to changing yet. Also I am sure that the way it is coded in no  
where near optimum and so is slower than it need be. I think I could  
make good use of the "@" keyword.

For instance I have a function that is internal to ISM:

function ISMGetMessageArray
   local myArrayName
   local myArray

   put "cpISM_MessaageArray_" into myArrayName
   put customProperties[myArrayName] of me into myArray

   return myArray
end ISMGetMessageArray

Does this copy all the whole array each time it is called? If so, is  
there a way I can just return a reference to the array so that if I  
do this:

put ISMGetMessageArray() into myMessageArray
put <something> into myMessageArray[key] into myMessageArray

Affects the array in the  custom property, not the local copy?

Right now I am doing this:

put ISMGetMessageArray() into myMessageArray
put <something> into myMessageArray[key] into myMessageArray
get  ISMSetMessageArray(myMessageArray)

Which AFAIK means that the whole array is being copied twice!

I was going to change the code so that it references "customProperties 
[myArrayName] of me" directly which I'm sure would be faster but  
makes the code less readable.

Any ideas???
>
> > I wasn't really aiming that remark at you personally or anyone  
> on  this
> > list. I was actually a bit hacked off with the attitude of   
> someone I
> > work with who won't even look at anything unless it's coded  in C+ 
> +! I
> > had just gotton off the phone with him when I wrote it and  I  
> suppose it
> > bubbled over into this discussion. Please accept my  sincere  
> apologies
> > if I caused offense. You have been of great help to  me in on the  
> list
> > in the past and I would like to take this  opportunely to say  
> "THANKS A
> > LOT".
>
> No problem, and you are very welcome. I want to pay forward, as  
> they say. Lots of people helped me when I was learning, and I feel  
> I owe something back.
>
> I have a deep, long-standing love of xtalk and anything we can do  
> to promote it is good. Tell your co-worker they are all wet. ;)  
> Someone else on the list had a similar situation and took up a  
> project that would have taken a C programmer months to complete. He  
> finished it in 2 weeks. The boss was convinced. You could try the  
> same, if there is an opportunity. Watch their jaw drop. Smirking in  
> response is allowed.

I've actually done this 3 times now! I finished a project a little  
while back. When I first started we have a day long meeting with the  
product manager and agreed the initial GUI. I said I would code it  
and let him have an initial offering ASAP.

I sent the 99% finished GUI back to him 3 days later and the product  
manager was totally gob-smacked! He said he was used to dealing with  
a C++ programmer that would take over a month to produce what I had  
done in RunRev in 3 days!

In that project I wrote a couple of External commands in C/C++ to  
handle some intense image processing tasks and added them to the  
RunRev app after the GUI was frozen. They were really happy with the  
results!

All the Best
Dave



From rrlanier at mac.com  Sun Mar 26 13:40:25 2006
From: rrlanier at mac.com (rrlanier at mac.com)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 12:40:25 -0600
Subject: mouseUp stacking from user double clicks
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-DAV10775314258D3C2E95360CA9DD0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY106-DAV10775314258D3C2E95360CA9DD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <EC9C8348-F079-4FDD-BBDA-699CBEF6B1CC@mac.com>

How about:

Save the time of last openCard event into a global.
On mouseUp compare the current time to last openCard event time.
If the elapsed time is too short do nothing.

Bill

On Mar 26, 2006, at 11:33 AM, Ben Bock wrote:

> My user app is a series of quizzes.  In troubleshooting, I found  
> that if users "double click" a button (either from error or  
> impatience) that both codes an answer and moves to the next card- 
> item, the second, unnecessary click will transfer to the next  
> card.  How can I stop this?
>
> Thank you for the help on this and prior questions,
>
> Ben
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From klaus at major-k.de  Sun Mar 26 13:57:00 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 20:57:00 +0200
Subject: Deleting A Card
In-Reply-To: <4426D748.8010900@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <004101c6466f$204784f0$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>
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Hi Jacqueline,

> Klaus Major wrote:
>
> > Please be aware that deleting the last card will not actually delete
> > that last card
> > BUT!!!!! it will delete ALL CONTENT of that card and that is not  
> undoable!
>
> Interesting, I didn't know that. The engine apparently is deleting  
> the card, but since you can't have a stack without at least one  
> card, it immediately creates a new one. If you compare the IDs of  
> the original card and the one that is automatically made after the  
> deletion, the IDs are different.

Ah, yes that's true.

> So I'm not sure if this should be called a bug or an expected  
> behavior.
> When you indicate you want to delete the card, it makes sense  
> that's what should happen.

Sure, but at least this is a surprising feature ;-)

> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Sun Mar 26 14:10:51 2006
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9.Bisseret?=)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 21:10:51 +0200
Subject: copy from a locked,
	focusable fld under Windows (results & one question)
Message-ID: <3DE05236-BCFC-11DA-8F6C-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>

Hi !
I tested on Windows. So, I report my results as Jim Ault wanted me to 
do.

1 - Intercepting "command 'c' and/or 'C'" :
The handler suggested by Jonathan (below) works  on Windows as well as 
on Mac.

Also, this simpler handler works on Windows as well as on Mac. :

on copySelection
copy the selectedText -- the html form is kept :-)
end copySelection

2 - BUT, if these handlers are triggered from a button :
on Mac, it is OK
on Windows, that does not work with the mouse "left button", but does 
work with the "right button"  (discovered by chance by one testor) !
It seems as if the click on the button using the left mouse button on 
Windows deselects the text that was selected in the field.

Now, Windows users told me that this should be done using the left 
button :-((

I tried, in the script of the button:
set the menuMouseButton of me to 1
No success ! it keeps working only with the right button.

Thanks in advance for any suggestion,

Best regards from Grenoble
Andr?

> De: Andr?.Bisseret <Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr>
> Date: Mon 13 Mar 2006  11:53:10 Europe/Paris
> ?: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Objet: R?p : copy from a locked, focusable fld under Windows
>
>
> Thanks a lot to Jonathan, Wilhelm, Jim and Chipp for their very useful 
> ideas and solutions.
>
> I confirm that here (G4, OSX, 10.2.8 -RR 2.6.1) neither "command c" 
> nor "command C" is working (; but as Wilhelm said "Copy text" from 
> Edit menu works.
> Meanwhile, "command v" as well as "command V" works.
>
> The following handler works on Mac, keeping the html form :
>
> on copySelection
>   if the selection is empty then   -- there is no selection then
>    answer "No selected text"
>    exit copySelection
>  else
>    copy the selectedText
>    answer "The selected text is in the clipboard"
>    end if
> end copier
>
> In order to try on Windows, I made another button, and I intercepted 
> "command c"  using the handler of Jonathan (below).
>
> Nevertheless, I needed to replace  the line "if the selectedfield <> 
> empty then" by "if the selection is empty then" (or "if the 
> selectedText is empty" as well).
> The reason is that a single click in the field (without any text 
> selected) is setting "the selectedfield <> empty" to true (so that it 
> is reporting "The selected text is in the clipboard" and then copying 
> nothing).
>
> I have not had the opportunity to test that on Windows yet.
> I will inform you about the results as soon as I would have done it :-)
>
>
> Best regards from Grenoble
> Andr?
>
>
>
> Le Saturday, 11 Mar 2006, ? 00:16 Europe/Paris, Jonathan Lynch a ?crit 
> :
>
>> This is how I would up doing it:
>>
>> on RawKeyDown pKey
>>   if (pKey = 99 or pKey = 67) and the commandkey is down then
>>     if the selectedfield <> empty then
---prefer "if the selection (or the selectedText) is empty (see above)
>>       put the selection into tSel
>>       put the htmltext of the selection into tSelHtml
>>       set the clipboarddata["text"] to tSel
>>       set the clipboarddata["html"] to tSelHtml
>>       select the selectedchunk
>>       exit rawkeydown
>>     end if
>>   end if
>>   pass rawkeydown
>> end rawkeydown
>>
>> This is adapted from a the rawkeydown handler in taskmage, which does 
>> a
>> bunch of other stuff that does not need to be included here.
>>
>> I find this script works well, and allows you to copy both formatted 
>> and
>> unformatted text so that it can be copied from a rev application and 
>> pasted
>> into any other application.




From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Sun Mar 26 14:10:59 2006
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9.Bisseret?=)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 21:10:59 +0200
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Printing_fields_with_images_included_by_=AB_set_t?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?he_imageSource_of_such_char_=BB_=28some_insights=29?=
Message-ID: <42989CCE-BCFC-11DA-8F6C-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>

Hi !
As far as printing is concerned, I am a newbie. I used to develop a 
number of stacks in HyperCard, but without having to ever print any.
So I don't know how it was with HyperCard ! But I am discovering that 
printing in RR is not easy at all (at least for me!).

Well, I did not receive any answer to the questions below (neither to 
another previous one).
Printing seems not to be a very exciting theme ;-))

Anyway, in case of at least one other newbie in printing be interested, 
I am reporting on how I managed to figure out my problems.


> De: Andr?.Bisseret <Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr>
> Date: Thu 16 Mar 2006  13:33:11 Europe/Paris
> ?: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Objet: Printing fields with images included by ? set the imageSource 
> of such char ?
>
> Hi !
> On each card of an App. I have differents texts ; some are including 
> images that are put there by means of one char on a line (ex. : 
> ?,?,??) whose imageSource is set to an image number (the images are in 
> a special substack).
> I want the user be able to print the text of this fld.
>
> My first method is the following :
> I created a hidden field (in the main stack), say field ? toPrint ? in 
> which I am composing (from several fields in a card) and formating the 
> text to print.
> The core of it is :
> put fld ? theText ? into fld ? toPrint ?
> set the HTMLText of fld ? toPrint ? to the HTMLText of fld ?theText ?.
>
> Then I print with
> revShowPrintDialog false,true
> put tab & "Page " & "<%pageNumber%>"  into footer
>   revPrintText (the htmlText of fld "toPrint"),,footer
>
> That works very well on Mac, The field ? toPrint ? is printed exactly 
> as I want, including printing the images nicely.
>
> But testers got problems with Windows
mainly: repetitions of parts of the text on new pages, large white 
areas between lines; lines being cut (while there is no cr) etc.

After a lot of trials and errors I discovered that it was a problem of 
Font and FontSize.
First, I had several lines whose TextFont was set to "Geneva" ; A 
friend who knows Windows quite well suggested to me to replace Geneva 
(does not exist on Windows) by "Verdana"; this only change eliminated 
nearly all problems.
>
But some were remaining and I tried
> another method using a special PrintingStack with two fields, one, 
> say, the ? bufferField ? the other the fldToPrint : filling in the 
> second while emptying the first, line after line (thanks to the 
> explanations I founded in the SmartEBook on Printing by Dan Schafer).
>
> .Mainly :
> repeat until the formattedHeight of fld "fldToPrint" of cd cardNum >= 
> gPrintHeight
>     set the htmlText of line lineToAdd of fld "fldToPrint"\
>     to the htmlText of line 1 of fld "bufferField" of cd 1
>     delete line 1 of fld "bufferField" of cd 1
Now, after that, I had to format again (due to the fact that sometimes, 
the last line of fldToPrint is not entirely visible, so it is necessary 
to delete it and put it on the top of next cd).
Then, I had to suppress (as far as they are detectable) the "isolated 
lines" (? "ligne orpheline" in French) at the end of fld "fldToPrint" : 
for example and mainly when last line is a title; then I have to delete 
it and paste it at the top of next card.
>
> All works well if there is no image.
>
> When there is an image, the image appears normally.
> BUT  it is followed by an incredible mess (a lot of chars such as 
> squares, apples, and so on) which could take several pages if it was 
> not  remaining on the same card where the image appears.
> Then the normal text is following, normally on another created card.
The solution I found and adopted is to script:
copy line 1 of fld "bufferField" of cd 1 -- instead of "set the 
htmlText of line 1? etc.
and then (in fld "fldToPrint")  paste
In case of an image line, as well as for a normal line, all is OK (with 
Windows and Mac as well); not any more  "incredible mess" :-))).

COPY AND PASTE is the best way I have found : very simple, it works 
with images and it keeps html formating of the text.

One problem was remaining : one line was set in Verdana 9:  when 
printed it was often cut under the right edge of the field.  I set the 
fontSize to 10 instead of 9  and it  worked normally !!!! (well, I 
would have prefer to keep a smaller fontSize, but in this case it is 
acceptable).

And, eventually, I print ;-))
Here again I got troubles ! not any with Mac with which several 
different scripts work well.
but with Windows a lot of disappointments :-(((. (in particular, I 
tried to play with the "formatForPrinting" property (save, close, set 
formatForPrinting to true, re-open stack, print, set formatForPrinting 
to false, and so on.....

At last, the script I adopted, because it works on Windows as well as 
on Mac is :

on PrintTheReport
   FormatTheReport
   go to stack "PrintingStack"
   set the printmargins to 72,50,50,72
   put the cardNames of stack "PrintingStack" into cardsToPrint
   answer printer
   open printing with dialog
     if the result is "Cancel" then exit PrintTheReport
        repeat for each line tCd in cardsToPrint
       print tCd
     end repeat
     close printing
end PrintTheReport

I hope that will help some people to save time and annoyance

Best regards from Grenoble
Andr?





From bobs at twft.com  Sat Mar 25 23:28:51 2006
From: bobs at twft.com (Robert Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 20:28:51 -0800
Subject: Delete Variable command
Message-ID: <C08A529D-2F13-4DF8-A70A-FFD7FF1D9328@twft.com>

It seems odd to me that the Delete Variable command would return a  
compiler error if it didn't detect that the variable you were trying  
to delete existed. I may not know or care if it does, I just want to  
delete it if it does. Otherwise I have to go through a series of  
commands to see if it does before I try to delete it, and even then I  
will get a compile error. It doesn't help putting it inside a try  
construct, because it's a compile time error. Seems it should be  
treated as runtime, if treated as an error at all!

Also I noticed I cannot give the command a list of variables to  
delete, as in:

delete variable mbob1, mbob2, mbob3

But I can declare them just fine:

global mbob1, mbob2, mbob3

I also noticed that declaring a global does NOT create a variable as  
it does in  Foxpro. That cost me a bit of time, but I learned stuff.  
heh heh.

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM



From bobs at twft.com  Sat Mar 25 23:51:45 2006
From: bobs at twft.com (Robert Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 20:51:45 -0800
Subject: Offset() and wordOffset() odd behavior
Message-ID: <06BD3506-674B-422B-8D19-EE578F956247@twft.com>

Maybe I am missing something. Observe the following code:

put ("store " & quote & "1234" & quote & " to mbob1, mbob2, mbob3")  
into fline
-- which produces a string "store "1234" to mbob1, mbob2, mbob3"
-- Notice the embedded quotes
put wordOffset("to", fline) -- returns 1, as in the first word after  
the last embedded quote

Apparently the quotes are resetting the counter for the function. My  
problem is, I am writing a script that can convert some basic Foxpro  
source code to Revolution Script. It's perfectly acceptable in Foxpro  
to say:

store "1234" to mbob1, mbob2, mbob3

and Foxpro programmers do it early and often to initialize variables.  
I am trying to end up with:

put "1234" into mbob1
put "1234" into mbob2
put "1234" into mbob3

Trouble is, I do not know what may come before the word "to". It  
could be any construct. Since Revolution does not support putting  
something into multiple variables, this becomes problematic to  
convert. I suppose I could hack a way around it. I think I will end  
up using offset() instead to avoid this. It's just a curious thing  
that Revolution will treat fline as one whole string, but the  
function seems to burp when it encounters embedded quotes.

Not complaining, just observing.

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM

ps. Just an update. Offset() returns 2 when I use Offset("to", fline)  
BUT... here we go kiddies... Offset(" to ", fline) returns the  
correct value of 13! Hah! I guess you could say the function is  
blowing chunks! (A little [very little] programmers humor). Notice  
the spaces before and after "to". What an odd function! 

From mark at maseurope.net  Sun Mar 26 14:47:18 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 20:47:18 +0100
Subject: Offset() and wordOffset() odd behavior
In-Reply-To: <06BD3506-674B-422B-8D19-EE578F956247@twft.com>
References: <06BD3506-674B-422B-8D19-EE578F956247@twft.com>
Message-ID: <F934E463-C613-4E95-9D1B-C690E97D38AA@maseurope.net>

Bob, I think what's happening is that wordOffset is finding the  
string "to" in the word "store".

If you put "set the wholeMatches to true" in your handler, it should  
behave as you wish.

Alternatlively

wordOffset{" to ",fLine) should also work.


Best,

Mark

On 26 Mar 2006, at 05:51, Robert Sneidar wrote:

> Maybe I am missing something. Observe the following code:
>
> put ("store " & quote & "1234" & quote & " to mbob1, mbob2, mbob3")  
> into fline
> -- which produces a string "store "1234" to mbob1, mbob2, mbob3"
> -- Notice the embedded quotes
> put wordOffset("to", fline) -- returns 1, as in the first word  
> after the last embedded quote
>
> Apparently the quotes are resetting the counter for the function.  
> My problem is, I am writing a script that can convert some basic  
> Foxpro source code to Revolution Script. It's perfectly acceptable  
> in Foxpro to say:
>
> store "1234" to mbob1, mbob2, mbob3
>
> and Foxpro programmers do it early and often to initialize  
> variables. I am trying to end up with:
>
> put "1234" into mbob1
> put "1234" into mbob2
> put "1234" into mbob3
>
> Trouble is, I do not know what may come before the word "to". It  
> could be any construct. Since Revolution does not support putting  
> something into multiple variables, this becomes problematic to  
> convert. I suppose I could hack a way around it. I think I will end  
> up using offset() instead to avoid this. It's just a curious thing  
> that Revolution will treat fline as one whole string, but the  
> function seems to burp when it encounters embedded quotes.
>
> Not complaining, just observing.
>
> Bob Sneidar
> IT Manager
> Logos Management
> Calvary Chapel CM
>
> ps. Just an update. Offset() returns 2 when I use Offset("to",  
> fline) BUT... here we go kiddies... Offset(" to ", fline) returns  
> the correct value of 13! Hah! I guess you could say the function is  
> blowing chunks! (A little [very little] programmers humor). Notice  
> the spaces before and after "to". What an odd function! 
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From mark at maseurope.net  Sun Mar 26 15:00:20 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 21:00:20 +0100
Subject: Delete Variable command
Message-ID: <745e934a0603261200r3fc1f663ge79f2db635992c80@mail.gmail.com>

Bob, as you've found, delete variable will only work on a variable
that has been declared (local or global) or created  by assigning a
value to it inside a handler. In the latter case, it will be deleted
anyway when the handler exits.

If you simply want to free up memory, you can "put empty into myVar",
which will replace whatever was in the variable with, well, empty. The
variable will still exist of course, and if it didn't before, it will
now, but it'll be taking up very little memory.

Best,

Mark

On 26 Mar 2006, at 05:28, Robert Sneidar wrote:

It seems odd to me that the Delete Variable command would return a
compiler error if it didn't detect that the variable you were trying
to delete existed. I may not know or care if it does, I just want to
delete it if it does. Otherwise I have to go through a series of
commands to see if it does before I try to delete it, and even then I
will get a compile error. It doesn't help putting it inside a try
construct, because it's a compile time error. Seems it should be
treated as runtime, if treated as an error at all!


From liamlambert at mac.com  Sun Mar 26 15:21:51 2006
From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 21:21:51 +0100
Subject: clipboard
Message-ID: <47120949-36A9-4474-B590-6630F1E57143@mac.com>

Is there a way to use the clipboardData property  to paste into a fld
automatically when the clipboard is up dated
Liam Lambert
liamlambert at mac.com
IRELAND




From lynn at paradigmasoft.com  Sun Mar 26 15:23:47 2006
From: lynn at paradigmasoft.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 12:23:47 -0800
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <2942.69.242.143.211.1143335846.squirrel@webmail5.pair.com>
Message-ID: <1068717815-246791109@lindbergh.macserve.net>

> I think these concepts--Rev Express, Dreamcard, Rev 
> Media--are fairly creative, neat, fun, etc. I'm sure they 
> have lots of good points. The junior product keeps changing 
> frequently, but I guess that's okay. I haven't tried these in 
> depth, so this is just my opinion about basic stated features 
> and limitations.

I accept full responsibility for this recent change.

> But I think there are a few drawbacks in the model. One is 
> not being able to create a standalone. At the old Dreamcard 
> price (I think it was about $100--I'm going to round off the 
> prices to be easier on the eye), that could be a bit of a 
> downer. RealBasic Standard at about $100, for example, does 
> create standalones. The new price of about $49 for Rev Media 
> is one approach of helping with that issue. And I think it's 
> probably a good approach.

REALbasic Standard also only compiles to a single platform. To get
multi-platform compilation/deployment, you have to spend $399.95 to get RB
Pro. $49 RevMedia with its player had multi-platform.


> (However, why make the backdrop an issue? If it doesn't 
> create standalones then there's already a big incentive to 
> upgrade. I suppose it would tend to limit what is distributed 
> with it--you don't usually see utilities with mandatory 
> backdrops, for example. Then again, you don't usually see 
> utilities that require a player to run, either!)

This is an additional form of differentiation which won't limit the
usefulness of the product for its intended audience.

> The other major drawback is how far up you have to go in 
> order to get a Rev product that does make standalones. 
> Minimum is $300 for Studio, which is developing on one 
> platform, although deploying on all.

That is true, unless you are an academic - then you also have licensing
restrictions on commercializing the result.

> Between $50 for a product that requires a player, and $300 
> for one that builds standalones, that's a considerable empty 
> space. And suddenly with the first product that builds 
> standalones, you already have one that deploys on all 
> platforms. There's nothing gradual. What if someone just 
> wants to develop on one platform and doesn't need the rest? 
> Or wants to get into Rev gradually, and work on his or her 
> preferred platform first before expanding, but wants 
> standalones? Or the person that wants more than one platform 
> but would prefer to debug and compile from each platform and 
> doesn't need the cross-build feature and some other advanced 
> features such as database access?

These are very good questions. Ive sold a huge number of different types of
products -- from fairly vertical market 3D applications to clip art to
database servers to games - the ones that do well are those that have a
target customer, give that target customer what they need, then create
upsell opportunties based on some manner of growth (customer's company,
deployment, extended pleasure, etc).

A common, dumb mistake is to open up "Bob's All You Can Eat Technology
Buffet" and then dump technology into different heaping plate sizes and say
"come and get it". I have found that only really works in selling the big
box o' clip art and not much else.


> So, right now it seems to me that there's a large unfilled 
> gap in the product line--something similar to the RealBasic 
> Standard I mentioned, a product that would run on one 
> platform per license, but would make standalones for that platform.
>
> (To differentiate from Studio, some advanced features could 
> also be limited. Currently, judging from the Tools Overview 
> page, that would include the learning pack and SQL database 
> access. Some additional adjustments might be needed--the 
> "intermediate" Rev product should not be too crippled, and 
> should be sufficient for most normal uses, so these should be 
> considered carefully, advanced or new features that create 
> considerable incentive for Studio and Enterprise rather than 
> cut too much from the intermediate product. There's a good 
> balance to be found.)

Who do you see as the target customer for this product?

Also -- how about telling us a little about how you are using Revolution?

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd




From alex at tweedly.net  Sun Mar 26 15:27:07 2006
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 21:27:07 +0100
Subject: Delete Variable command
In-Reply-To: <745e934a0603261200r3fc1f663ge79f2db635992c80@mail.gmail.com>
References: <745e934a0603261200r3fc1f663ge79f2db635992c80@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4426F91B.3000903@tweedly.net>

Mark Smith wrote:

>Bob, as you've found, delete variable will only work on a variable
>that has been declared (local or global) or created  by assigning a
>value to it inside a handler. In the latter case, it will be deleted
>anyway when the handler exits.
>
>If you simply want to free up memory, you can "put empty into myVar",
>which will replace whatever was in the variable with, well, empty. The
>variable will still exist of course, and if it didn't before, it will
>now, but it'll be taking up very little memory.
>
>  
>
Or you can do
  put empty into myVar
  delete variable myVar

-- 
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sun Mar 26 15:31:03 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 12:31:03 -0800
Subject: menu builder
In-Reply-To: <1068717815-246791109@lindbergh.macserve.net>
References: <1068717815-246791109@lindbergh.macserve.net>
Message-ID: <p06230918c04ca9d960ff@[192.168.1.103]>

I've found the Menu Builder is handy for quick menu creation, but 
once a menu is created in rev, it seems that going back to the 
builder gives no way to 'connect' with previous menus ...

Is it true the Menu Builder is 'Write Only' and can't edit?


sqb
-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Mar 26 17:08:21 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 14:08:21 -0800
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
Message-ID: <442710D5.2040600@fourthworld.com>

Lynn Fredricks wrote:

> I accept full responsibility for this recent change.

"Full"?  Someone bumped off the CEO?

;)


--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Mar 26 17:09:09 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 16:09:09 -0600
Subject: Deleting A Card
In-Reply-To: <C5A63EC9-3A2D-4DBB-925A-8B0315E39B0E@major-k.de>
References: <004101c6466f$204784f0$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>
	<44261E00.8010800@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4C3FE8CF-539C-4503-BDDC-5BF932049C61@major-k.de>
	<4426D748.8010900@hyperactivesw.com>
	<C5A63EC9-3A2D-4DBB-925A-8B0315E39B0E@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <44271105.3060208@hyperactivesw.com>

Klaus Major wrote:
> Hi Jacqueline,
> 
>> Klaus Major wrote:
>>
>> > Please be aware that deleting the last card will not actually delete
>> > that last card
>> > BUT!!!!! it will delete ALL CONTENT of that card and that is not  
>> undoable!
>>
>> Interesting, I didn't know that. The engine apparently is deleting  
>> the card, but since you can't have a stack without at least one  card, 
>> it immediately creates a new one. If you compare the IDs of  the 
>> original card and the one that is automatically made after the  
>> deletion, the IDs are different.
> 
> 
> Ah, yes that's true.
> 
>> So I'm not sure if this should be called a bug or an expected  behavior.
>> When you indicate you want to delete the card, it makes sense  that's 
>> what should happen.
> 
> 
> Sure, but at least this is a surprising feature ;-)

Yes. At the least, it should be documented.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Mar 26 17:15:05 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 16:15:05 -0600
Subject: menu builder
In-Reply-To: <p06230918c04ca9d960ff@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <1068717815-246791109@lindbergh.macserve.net>
	<p06230918c04ca9d960ff@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <44271269.4010302@hyperactivesw.com>

Stephen Barncard wrote:
> I've found the Menu Builder is handy for quick menu creation, but once a 
> menu is created in rev, it seems that going back to the builder gives no 
> way to 'connect' with previous menus ...
> 
> Is it true the Menu Builder is 'Write Only' and can't edit?

No, you should be able to edit it. Click the "Edit" button, and then 
choose the menubar.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun Mar 26 17:18:15 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:18:15 +1000
Subject: mouseUp stacking from user double clicks
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-DAV10775314258D3C2E95360CA9DD0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY106-DAV10775314258D3C2E95360CA9DD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603261418x5ab62a74h8009fe10ae96b438@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/27/06, Ben Bock <benbock at msn.com> wrote:
> My user app is a series of quizzes.  In troubleshooting, I found that if users "double click" a button (either from error or impatience) that both codes an answer and moves to the next card-item, the second, unnecessary click will transfer to the next card.  How can I stop this?
>

A couple of ways:

1. Trap the mouseDoubleUp message and ignore it.
2. Disable the button in the next card on preOpenCard, then set up a
pendingMessage to re-enable it after a few seconds.

Method 1 depends on the speed of the double-click so may not be 100%
reliable, but I use method 2 a lot.

Cheers,
Sarah


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Mar 26 17:24:22 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 16:24:22 -0600
Subject: mouseUp stacking from user double clicks
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-DAV10775314258D3C2E95360CA9DD0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY106-DAV10775314258D3C2E95360CA9DD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <44271496.5000206@hyperactivesw.com>

Ben Bock wrote:
> My user app is a series of quizzes.  In troubleshooting, I found that
> if users "double click" a button (either from error or impatience)
> that both codes an answer and moves to the next card-item, the
> second, unnecessary click will transfer to the next card.  How can I
> stop this?

The easiest way is to put in a trap for "mouseDoubleUp". That way, a 
doubleclick does nothing:

   on mouseDoubleUp
   end mouseDoubleUp

This just blocks the message from getting through.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Mar 26 17:27:23 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 16:27:23 -0600
Subject: copy from a locked, focusable fld under Windows (results & one
 question)
In-Reply-To: <3DE05236-BCFC-11DA-8F6C-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>
References: <3DE05236-BCFC-11DA-8F6C-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <4427154B.9090903@hyperactivesw.com>

Andr?.Bisseret wrote:

> Also, this simpler handler works on Windows as well as on Mac. :
> 
> on copySelection
> copy the selectedText -- the html form is kept :-)
> end copySelection
> 
> 2 - BUT, if these handlers are triggered from a button :
> on Mac, it is OK
> on Windows, that does not work with the mouse "left button", but does 
> work with the "right button"  (discovered by chance by one testor) !
> It seems as if the click on the button using the left mouse button on 
> Windows deselects the text that was selected in the field.

Set the traversalOn of the button to false. With it on, it removes the 
selection. Macs generally don't respond to button traversal, so it 
doesn't affect them, but Windows OS does respond to it.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Mar 26 18:50:32 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 15:50:32 -0800
Subject: Deleting A Card
In-Reply-To: <C5A63EC9-3A2D-4DBB-925A-8B0315E39B0E@major-k.de>
References: <004101c6466f$204784f0$1500a8c0@ACERLaptop>
	<44261E00.8010800@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4C3FE8CF-539C-4503-BDDC-5BF932049C61@major-k.de>
	<4426D748.8010900@hyperactivesw.com>
	<C5A63EC9-3A2D-4DBB-925A-8B0315E39B0E@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <7523506590.20060326155032@ahsoftware.net>

Klaus-

Sunday, March 26, 2006, 10:57:00 AM, you wrote:

> Sure, but at least this is a surprising feature ;-)

I'm not sure about that. When I tell the IDE I want to delete a card,
I expect that card to be deleted. That's not undoable, whether it's
the last card or not. I also expect all its content to be deleted,
else how would I get rid of the orphaned content otherwise. The only
mildly surprising thing is that a new card replaces the deleted one,
and since you can't have a stack without a card that makes perfect
sense (in hindsight).

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Sun Mar 26 18:53:13 2006
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 15:53:13 -0800
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <1068717815-246791109@lindbergh.macserve.net>
References: <1068717815-246791109@lindbergh.macserve.net>
Message-ID: <p06200703c04cd6466f57@[10.0.1.201]>

>
>>  (However, why make the backdrop an issue? If it doesn't
>>  create standalones then there's already a big incentive to
>>  upgrade. I suppose it would tend to limit what is distributed
>>  with it--you don't usually see utilities with mandatory
>>  backdrops, for example. Then again, you don't usually see
>>  utilities that require a player to run, either!)
>
>This is an additional form of differentiation which won't limit the
>usefulness of the product for its intended audience.
>

I can't endorse that statement. I've tried using my dreamcard stacks 
with the backdrop turned on, to get a sense of what it might be like 
to use Media. A mandatory backdrop seems unnecessary and user hostile 
to me.

Of course my stacks are still usable with the backdrop turned on. But 
in the course of my business day, I usually have other windows open, 
from other applications. I'm constantly moving back and forth between 
applications. With the backdrop turned off, I can just click on a 
window from another application to make it active. With the backdrop 
turned on, I have to fiddle around with the dock. It's just one extra 
step, but repeated several hundred times per day, it's annoying. It 
seems to say, "If you want a cheap ride on our loss-leader product, 
here's your little punishment."

That's hypothetical. I'm still using Dreamcard. But it looks like I 
won't need Studio when it's time for the next upgrade, unless I want 
to pay -- what is it? -- $250?? -- for the privilege of not having a 
backdrop.

If it's product differentiation you're looking for, wouldn't it be 
sufficient to make "backdrop on" the default setting for Media?

I vote against subtle, but user-hostile incentives to upgrade to 
Studio. I understand that Media is probably a loss leader. I'll be 
getting a good deal at $49. I'd feel fine about paying more money for 
Media if I could keep all the functionality I now get from Dreamcard.

Tim Miller



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Mar 26 19:17:33 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 16:17:33 -0800
Subject: Deleting A Card
Message-ID: <44272F1D.1070401@fourthworld.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:
> Klaus-
> 
> Sunday, March 26, 2006, 10:57:00 AM, you wrote:
> 
>> Sure, but at least this is a surprising feature ;-)
> 
> I'm not sure about that. When I tell the IDE I want to delete a card,
> I expect that card to be deleted. That's not undoable, whether it's
> the last card or not.

While there's not built-in Undo for that, it may be worth reminding 
newcomers here that there is a revert command which will restore the 
stack to its last saved version.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From mark at maseurope.net  Sun Mar 26 19:32:35 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 01:32:35 +0100
Subject: Delete Variable command
In-Reply-To: <4426F91B.3000903@tweedly.net>
References: <745e934a0603261200r3fc1f663ge79f2db635992c80@mail.gmail.com>
	<4426F91B.3000903@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <91E9FF57-B81D-4AEF-BF1B-864AA7675912@maseurope.net>

Of course! Doh!

:)

Mark

On 26 Mar 2006, at 21:27, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> Mark Smith wrote:
>
>> Bob, as you've found, delete variable will only work on a variable
>> that has been declared (local or global) or created  by assigning a
>> value to it inside a handler. In the latter case, it will be deleted
>> anyway when the handler exits.
>>
>> If you simply want to free up memory, you can "put empty into myVar",
>> which will replace whatever was in the variable with, well, empty.  
>> The
>> variable will still exist of course, and if it didn't before, it will
>> now, but it'll be taking up very little memory.
>>
>>
> Or you can do
>  put empty into myVar
>  delete variable myVar
>
> -- 
> Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net
>
>
>
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From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Sun Mar 26 19:43:46 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 16:43:46 -0800
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <p06200703c04cd6466f57@10.0.1.201>
References: <1068717815-246791109@lindbergh.macserve.net>
	<p06200703c04cd6466f57@10.0.1.201>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603261643l38ff4128n9569a5b3eee0716a@mail.gmail.com>

I'm probably missing something here, but I *never* click on a window from
another app to make it active (OS X 10.4.5). I always use the Dock shortcut
Command-Tab to bring up the list of current apps in the center of the
screen, then tab or click on the app I want. I assume that still works in
Rev Media with the backdrop on, so the impact on me -- and on others who use
the same model -- is nil.

It feels like this inconvenience is pretty minor unless the user actually
moves the mouse to the dock, moves around to find the app s/he wants to use
and clicks on it. But, again, I've been doing this so long I have ingrained
habits that may be saving me from experiencing the inconvenience you
describe.

That said, I too am puzzled by the decision that leaving the backdrop on all
the time somehow makes Rev Media a differentiated, less capable product. And
that in turn may explain why I'm not in marketing.

:-)

On 3/26/06, Timothy Miller <gandalf at doctortimothymiller.com> wrote:

With the backdrop turned off, I can just click on a
window from another application to make it active. With the backdrop
turned on, I have to fiddle around with the dock. It's just one extra
step, but repeated several hundred times per day, it's annoying.



--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author
http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
>From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html


From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Sun Mar 26 19:57:51 2006
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 16:57:51 -0800
Subject: Avoiding line cut-off in a multipage printout
In-Reply-To: <61693834-0488-4160-9FEA-048DA7D8D45C@mac.com>
References: <61693834-0488-4160-9FEA-048DA7D8D45C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4E86229A-F04B-4396-A362-C9DDC8D9E3E9@elementarysoftware.com>

Graham,
This is what I do, also and I agree that using the formattedHeight of  
characters seems more convoluted than one would like.  Or perhaps I  
don't understand things well enough.  I've found that when I switch  
to < formatForPrinting > the heights of things change enough to cause  
problems with any exact calculation I might have done  (last line may  
be partially clipped) unless I leave some wiggle room in my  
calculations.  Using lines would be nice.

-Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust !)
web     http://elementarysoftware.com/
email   scott at elementarysoftware.com

-----------------------------------------------------------------

On Mar 26, 2006, at 5:36 AM, Graham Samuel wrote:

> I have a print routine adapted from something Hugh Senior put in  
> The Scripter's Scrapbook (thanks Hugh). I may well have done  
> something stupid to it, but I am making heavy weather of making  
> sure that if I'm printing more than a single page of text, the last  
> line on any given page is not cut off so that only part of the line  
> shows.
>
> The issue is that AFAIK, RunRev thinks only in terms of pixels and  
> not in terms of lines of type. In these circumstances the only way  
> I can think of to avoid the cutoff is to add up all the formatted  
> heights of the successive lines until I find I've overflowed my  
> page area, then backtrack one whole line and print that (I'm  
> thinking of a generalised routine which will handle lines in  
> different fonts and of different heights, so I can't simply look at  
> the height of the first line and work from there).
>
> This works but it seem incredibly clunky. I assume that this  
> problem has been solved many times, and that maybe there is even a  
> way of telling RR that you want to print in whole lines but I've  
> somehow missed it.
>
> I'd be grateful for any advice.
>
> Graham
> ----------------------------------------
> Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Mar 26 20:53:26 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 17:53:26 -0800
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
Message-ID: <44274596.8020303@fourthworld.com>

Dan Shafer wrote:

> It feels like this inconvenience is pretty minor unless the user actually
> moves the mouse to the dock, moves around to find the app s/he wants to use
> and clicks on it.

This raises a question about who the product is targeted for:  If one's 
doing multimedia and wants a backdrop, they probably don't want the Dock 
and the menu bar.  If they want the Dock and the menu bar, they probably 
don't want the backdrop.

So what is the target market who prefers both a backdrop and the Dock/menus?

> That said, I too am puzzled by the decision that leaving the backdrop on all
> the time somehow makes Rev Media a differentiated, less capable product. And
> that in turn may explain why I'm not in marketing.

I'll take bets that a different differentiator find its way into the 
product within 12 months or less....

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 26 21:37:15 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 18:37:15 -0800
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603261643l38ff4128n9569a5b3eee0716a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C04C8FDB.36B51%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/26/06 4:43 PM, "Dan Shafer" <revolutionary.dan at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm probably missing something here, but I *never* click on a window from
> another app to make it active (OS X 10.4.5). I always use the Dock shortcut
> Command-Tab to bring up the list of current apps in the center of the
> screen, then tab or click on the app I want. I assume that still works in
> Rev Media with the backdrop on, so the impact on me -- and on others who use
> the same model -- is nil.
> 
> It feels like this inconvenience is pretty minor unless the user actually
> moves the mouse to the dock, moves around to find the app s/he wants to use
> and clicks on it. But, again, I've been doing this so long I have ingrained
> habits that may be saving me from experiencing the inconvenience you
> describe.

And here is another profile... I use the command-tab 50% and window click
50% depending on the work.  When using Timbuktu (most every day) pressing
the command key => right click on the remote computer in addition to app
switching, which leaves the remote user unable to use the mouse until I go
back to Timbuktu and press escape, so I need to F11 and click,  or click
outside the window, then use tab.

I also use the direct window click to bring specific windows into view
rather than all windows in that app.  For instance, drag and drop hilited
text in BBEdit in to an Excel spreadsheet.

Sure is nice to have a flexible work environment.  That's one of the real
positives about Rev.

I use a Mac G5, three monitors, and many unrelated tasks each day.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From see3d at writeme.com  Sun Mar 26 22:05:34 2006
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 22:05:34 -0500
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603261643l38ff4128n9569a5b3eee0716a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1068717815-246791109@lindbergh.macserve.net>
	<p06200703c04cd6466f57@10.0.1.201>
	<70ed6b130603261643l38ff4128n9569a5b3eee0716a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AB81A819-90D4-4F6D-ACCF-BEA992518DE4@writeme.com>

Dan,

You being a writer, most likely never have your fingers far from the  
keyboard.  It makes sense to me that you would operate in that way.

However, I being a very image oriented person, never have my fingers  
far from the mouse, and dislike having to go to the keyboard for  
anything I can point and click.  I rarely use cmd-key alternatives  
except for the occasional qspazxcv --which are the basic common set  
for all apps.  For instance, when I am copying and pasting between  
two applications, I put one window on one screen and the other on the  
second screen.  I then start clicking on the two windows to go  
between them.  I often don't even use the copy/paste, but just drag  
the selections between the windows.  I don't think of them as two  
applications accessed from the intermediary of their Icons, but  
rather as two windows of data that I am moving.  They don't have  
names for me (like the Excel doc and the TextWrangler doc, or the Rev  
doc and the Safari doc), they are the left side data window and the  
right side data window.

I switch apps hundreds of times a day and usually have a dozen or  
more open at a time, spread across two 19 inch monitors.  I usually  
size my windows so that I can see pertinent bits of data from  
partially hidden windows (that are updating in the background).  My  
browser open windows are set as a cascade of multi tab windows.  One  
window per subject, and tabs for different search result pages.  My  
desk top really is a desk top!

To me the enforced backdrop is the same thing as a nag screen.  A  
complete annoyance, and not to be expected in a product that one  
charges for.  Leaving out a major feature, like making stand-alones,  
built-in database access, I can understand.  Major advanced  
capabilities that define a whole class of developers or project scope  
and delivery.  Mandatory painting out my desktop, is like an insult  
that I take personally.  I can't help it, that is just the feeling I  
get from it.  It may be irrational, but should be taken note of,  
because RunRev does not need to make a product that people do not  
feel good about.

So count me in with Dr. Miller on this one.

Dennis

On Mar 26, 2006, at 7:43 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:

> I'm probably missing something here, but I *never* click on a  
> window from
> another app to make it active (OS X 10.4.5). I always use the Dock  
> shortcut
> Command-Tab to bring up the list of current apps in the center of the
> screen, then tab or click on the app I want. I assume that still  
> works in
> Rev Media with the backdrop on, so the impact on me -- and on  
> others who use
> the same model -- is nil.
>
> It feels like this inconvenience is pretty minor unless the user  
> actually
> moves the mouse to the dock, moves around to find the app s/he  
> wants to use
> and clicks on it. But, again, I've been doing this so long I have  
> ingrained
> habits that may be saving me from experiencing the inconvenience you
> describe.
>
> That said, I too am puzzled by the decision that leaving the  
> backdrop on all
> the time somehow makes Rev Media a differentiated, less capable  
> product. And
> that in turn may explain why I'm not in marketing.
>
> :-)
>
> On 3/26/06, Timothy Miller <gandalf at doctortimothymiller.com> wrote:
>
> With the backdrop turned off, I can just click on a
> window from another application to make it active. With the backdrop
> turned on, I have to fiddle around with the dock. It's just one extra
> step, but repeated several hundred times per day, it's annoying.
>
>
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author
> http://www.shafermedia.com
> Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
>> From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html
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From bobs at twft.com  Sun Mar 26 22:50:24 2006
From: bobs at twft.com (Robert Sneidar)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 19:50:24 -0800
Subject: On KeyDown Bug
Message-ID: <3996156F-335A-4B79-962C-A7300A0FAB7F@twft.com>

Hi Everyone. This may be a bug, I do not know. Observe the following  
snippet in the script of the stack:

on keyDown theKey
   local theModifier
   put "" into theModifier
   switch
   case the optionKey is down
     put "Opt " after theModifier
   case the CommandKey is down
     put "Cmd " after theModifier
   case the shiftKey is down
     put "Shft " after theModifier
   case the controlKey is down
     put "Ctrl " after theModifier
   end switch
   put char 1 to -1 of theModifier into theModifier
   replace " " with "-" in theModifier
   put theModifier && theKey
   pass keyDown
end keyDown

This SHOULD put the modifier keys and the key typed in the result of  
the message box. It works when I just type letters. BUT when I use a  
modifier that is NOT the shift key, I get NOTHING. IF I use the Shift  
key I get "Shft-Crtl " followed by the letter typed, even though the  
Control key is NOT down!

Well this cannot be right! What is really needed is a new argument in  
the keyDown and keyUp handlers for the modifier keys. I should be  
able to write the handler this way:

on keyDown theKey, theModifiers
if "Shift" is in theModifiers then
   -- some stuff here
end if
pass keyDown
end keyDown

I guess this is a bug report AND a feature request.

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM



From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Sun Mar 26 22:59:36 2006
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 19:59:36 -0800
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <p06200703c04cd6466f57@[10.0.1.201]>
Message-ID: <20060327035939.A78D2871D9@spunkymail-a2.dreamhost.com>

> I vote against subtle, but user-hostile incentives to upgrade 
> to Studio. I understand that Media is probably a loss leader. 
> I'll be getting a good deal at $49. I'd feel fine about 
> paying more money for Media if I could keep all the 
> functionality I now get from Dreamcard.

But then you'd just be getting Dreamcard, right?;-)

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd






From iden at idenrosenthal.com  Sun Mar 26 23:26:14 2006
From: iden at idenrosenthal.com (Iden Rosenthal)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 23:26:14 -0500
Subject: Corrupted Stacks
Message-ID: <47369765-2AF5-4C0A-A1BB-38DD4AD8B014@idenrosenthal.com>

I just started using Dreamcard (how nice to be back with xtalk after  
all these years) but after I did some work on some stacks I went back  
to work on them again and it told me when I tried to open a substack  
that the stack was corrupted. This was a shocker. I don't really  
trust Dreamcard when I try to save files over the older versions it  
seems to work. But then if I try and open what I have saved it tell  
me there is already something with that name open and do I want to  
Purge or Save or some such nonsense. It really isn't very intuitive.  
Applications should just destroy the files that you save over the  
names of with a different version. I don't get why Dreamcard seems to  
be a nudge about there having been a previous file that I thought I  
had done away with but somehow I didn't. Fortunately I did have my  
work saved elsewhere in a copy of a stack I had been working on that  
was not corrupted but it wasn't because I tried to make a backup out  
of it -- it was only because I am working on a large series of stacks  
that are all copies of each other basically (differing only in their  
info content). I think I would have been quite upset if Dreamcard had  
told me to look for a backup of my work (which it does when a stack  
corrupted message appears) but it doesn't automatically create  
backups and by chance I didn't have one. Is there some way I can  
avoid this in future other than always having two or three backups  
saved?


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sun Mar 26 23:41:55 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 20:41:55 -0800
Subject: On KeyDown Bug
In-Reply-To: <3996156F-335A-4B79-962C-A7300A0FAB7F@twft.com>
References: <3996156F-335A-4B79-962C-A7300A0FAB7F@twft.com>
Message-ID: <p0623091cc04d1ca147cd@[192.168.1.103]>

WAIT. don't send a bug report yet...how is it working at all?

don't forget the BREAK statement in your SWITCH structure...

on keyDown theKey
   local theModifier
   put "" into theModifier
   switch
   case the optionKey is down
     put "Opt " after theModifier
     break -- <----------
   case the CommandKey is down
     put "Cmd " after theModifier
     break -- <----------
   case the shiftKey is down
     put "Shft " after theModifier
     break -- <----------
   case the controlKey is down
     put "Ctrl " after theModifier
     break -- <----------
   end switch
   put char 1 to -1 of theModifier into theModifier
   replace " " with "-" in theModifier
   put theModifier && theKey
   pass keyDown
end keyDown



>Hi Everyone. This may be a bug, I do not know. Observe the following 
>snippet in the script of the stack:
>
>on keyDown theKey
>   local theModifier
>   put "" into theModifier
>   switch
>   case the optionKey is down
>     put "Opt " after theModifier
>   case the CommandKey is down
>     put "Cmd " after theModifier
>   case the shiftKey is down
>     put "Shft " after theModifier
>   case the controlKey is down
>     put "Ctrl " after theModifier
>   end switch
>   put char 1 to -1 of theModifier into theModifier
>   replace " " with "-" in theModifier
>   put theModifier && theKey
>   pass keyDown
>end keyDown
>
>This SHOULD put the modifier keys and the key typed in the result of 
>the message box. It works when I just type letters. BUT when I use a 
>modifier that is NOT the shift key, I get NOTHING. IF I use the 
>Shift key I get "Shft-Crtl " followed by the letter typed, even 
>though the Control key is NOT down!
>
>Well this cannot be right! What is really needed is a new argument 
>in the keyDown and keyUp handlers for the modifier keys. I should be 
>able to write the handler this way:
>
>on keyDown theKey, theModifiers
>if "Shift" is in theModifiers then
>   -- some stuff here
>end if
>pass keyDown
>end keyDown
>
>I guess this is a bug report AND a feature request.
>
>Bob Sneidar
>IT Manager
>Logos Management
>Calvary Chapel CM

-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -


From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Sun Mar 26 23:55:10 2006
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 20:55:10 -0800
Subject: page break visual
Message-ID: <73FCC833-1F43-49F1-A3D7-1BE0FC8A1996@elementarysoftware.com>

I'm trying to work out a mechanism whereby I can show the user where  
page breaks will occur in their text... inside the scrolling field  
they are typing into.  (I would prefer not to use multiple fields  
with text flowing between them or to require the field to be locked  
while they view it.)  I've been playing around with inserting a  
character that I assign an imagesource to.  Unfortunately I'm not  
sure how to use a single character as it seems to look best when the  
image is on its own line... which means I need a couple of return  
characters to set it off.  Does a simpler method occur to anyone?

-Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust !)
web     http://elementarysoftware.com/
email   scott at elementarysoftware.com

-----------------------------------------------------------------



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Mar 26 23:57:10 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 22:57:10 -0600
Subject: On KeyDown Bug
In-Reply-To: <3996156F-335A-4B79-962C-A7300A0FAB7F@twft.com>
References: <3996156F-335A-4B79-962C-A7300A0FAB7F@twft.com>
Message-ID: <442770A6.7060304@hyperactivesw.com>

Robert Sneidar wrote:
> Hi Everyone. This may be a bug, I do not know. Observe the following  
> snippet in the script of the stack:
> 
> on keyDown theKey
>   local theModifier
>   put "" into theModifier
>   switch
>   case the optionKey is down
>     put "Opt " after theModifier
>   case the CommandKey is down
>     put "Cmd " after theModifier
>   case the shiftKey is down
>     put "Shft " after theModifier
>   case the controlKey is down
>     put "Ctrl " after theModifier
>   end switch
>   put char 1 to -1 of theModifier into theModifier
>   replace " " with "-" in theModifier
>   put theModifier && theKey
>   pass keyDown
> end keyDown
> 
> This SHOULD put the modifier keys and the key typed in the result of  
> the message box. It works when I just type letters. BUT when I use a  
> modifier that is NOT the shift key, I get NOTHING. IF I use the Shift  
> key I get "Shft-Crtl " followed by the letter typed, even though the  
> Control key is NOT down!
> 
> Well this cannot be right! What is really needed is a new argument in  
> the keyDown and keyUp handlers for the modifier keys. I should be  able 
> to write the handler this way:
> 
> on keyDown theKey, theModifiers
> if "Shift" is in theModifiers then
>   -- some stuff here
> end if
> pass keyDown
> end keyDown
> 
> I guess this is a bug report AND a feature request.

It's not a bug, it is how keydown works. The keydown message only 
reports, for the most part, typeable keys. In the case of the option 
key, for example, no keypress is generated until you also press another 
key; that is how, on a Mac, you make international characters.

You can use rawKeyDown instead to catch a few of the other keys, such as 
delete, tab, and the arrow keys. See the docs. The rawKeyDown message 
receives the keypress as a number rather than as a character, so you 
need to interpret those. We can help you if you need it.

But some keys are simply never reported by the operating systems during 
normal keyboard input. Modifier keys like shift, command, control, and 
option are not reported, so Rev can't know about them. If you need to 
know the state of some of these keys, you can use the keysdown() 
function, which specifically checks to see if they are depressed.

It is common for new users to think unexpected behaviors are bugs, so 
I'm glad you asked here first. It's always a good idea.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Mar 26 23:59:12 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 20:59:12 -0800
Subject: Delete Variable command
In-Reply-To: <4426F91B.3000903@tweedly.net>
References: <745e934a0603261200r3fc1f663ge79f2db635992c80@mail.gmail.com>
	<4426F91B.3000903@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <712039382.20060326205912@ahsoftware.net>

Alex-

Sunday, March 26, 2006, 12:27:07 PM, you wrote:

> Or you can do
>   put empty into myVar
>   delete variable myVar

Doh! from me as well. Brilliant.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Mar 27 00:17:54 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 23:17:54 -0600
Subject: Corrupted Stacks
In-Reply-To: <47369765-2AF5-4C0A-A1BB-38DD4AD8B014@idenrosenthal.com>
References: <47369765-2AF5-4C0A-A1BB-38DD4AD8B014@idenrosenthal.com>
Message-ID: <44277582.60301@hyperactivesw.com>

Iden Rosenthal wrote:
> I just started using Dreamcard (how nice to be back with xtalk after  
> all these years) but after I did some work on some stacks I went back  
> to work on them again and it told me when I tried to open a substack  
> that the stack was corrupted. This was a shocker.

Did it really say "corrupted"? Or did you assume it was corrupted 
because of a "Do you want to purge, etc." message? If the latter, see 
below. If it really said "corrupted", did you recently move to version 
2.7 from an older version of Dreamcard? There has been a file format 
change, and if you save stacks in version 2.7, then the older 2.6 can no 
longer read them. You'll need to open them in 2.7.

> I don't really  trust 
> Dreamcard when I try to save files over the older versions it  seems to 
> work. But then if I try and open what I have saved it tell  me there is 
> already something with that name open and do I want to  Purge or Save or 
> some such nonsense. It really isn't very intuitive.  Applications should 
> just destroy the files that you save over the  names of with a different 
> version. I don't get why Dreamcard seems to  be a nudge about there 
> having been a previous file that I thought I  had done away with but 
> somehow I didn't. Fortunately I did have my  work saved elsewhere in a 
> copy of a stack I had been working on that  was not corrupted but it 
> wasn't because I tried to make a backup out  of it -- it was only 
> because I am working on a large series of stacks  that are all copies of 
> each other basically (differing only in their  info content). I think I 
> would have been quite upset if Dreamcard had  told me to look for a 
> backup of my work (which it does when a stack  corrupted message 
> appears) but it doesn't automatically create  backups and by chance I 
> didn't have one. Is there some way I can  avoid this in future other 
> than always having two or three backups  saved?

This message is normal, and all your saves have been successful. 
Revolution does save stacks like any other app.

But Revolution cannot have two stacks open with the same name. If you 
already have one of them open, it will ask you what to do with the new 
one you are trying to open in its place. Should it purge the old one 
from memory? Cancel trying to open the new one? Generally the best thing 
is to tell it to purge the old one. The old will be removed from memory 
and the new one will open.

The reason Rev thinks your old stack is still open is because a stack 
which is visually closed is not always removed from memory. It remains 
hidden in the background. It cannot receive messages and acts as though 
it does not exist, but it lurks there in case it is needed again. That 
makes re-opening the stack very fast.

You can choose to turn off this behavior in several ways. To make all 
new stacks remove themselves from memory when you close them, tick off 
the checkbox in Preferences, in the "Files & Memory" pane, that says 
"destroystack property is set to true for new stacks." That will cause 
all newly created stacks to be removed from memory when you physically 
close them. To change your existing stacks, open the stack's property 
inspector and check the "purge stack on close" checkbox, which will do 
the same thing for that particular stack. Or, if you want to handle your 
stacks on a case-by-case basis, instead of closing the window with the 
close box, close it from the File menu by choosing "Close and remove 
from memory."

Any of these methods will cause the stack to really go away when you say 
so. And when it is really gone, you won't get that message asking what 
to do when you try to open another same-named stack.

Even if you do see that message occasionally though (and we all do,) it 
doesn't mean there is anything wrong with any of your stacks. Revolution 
just wants to know which one it should keep open.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Mar 27 01:08:15 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 22:08:15 -0800
Subject: RAD - Case Study Version 2
In-Reply-To: <44259F1C.4090202@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <9F879CCF-19A7-462A-B425-15CF4AE30502@dsl.pipex.com>
	<44259F1C.4090202@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <1896181839.20060326220815@ahsoftware.net>

David-

All right - I got suckered into taking the challenge, too.

You're on the right track here, but I think Jacque's right about
needing to observe the existing message-passing hierarchy and working
with it, rather than trying to find ways around it. The idea of
independent reusable objects is very powerful. If all goes well I may
be presenting an object-oriented approach similar to yours at a BOF
session at RevCon West. I've built the routines into a library -
here's the code for your examples:

button "Choose":
on mouseUp
  answer folder "what folder do ya want?"
  if it is not empty then
    mc2_libDispatcher.SendEvent "NewFolder", it
  end if
end mouseUp
---------------------
field "FolderContents":
on mouseUp
  mc2_libDispatcher.SendEvent "NewFolder", the hilitedText of me
end mouseUp

setProp NewFolder pFolderName
  set the defaultFolder to pFolderName
  put the files into me
end NewFolder
---------------------
field "FileContents":
on mouseUp
  mc2_libDispatcher.SendEvent "NewFile", the hilitedText of me
end mouseUp

setProp NewFolder pFolderName
  set the defaultFolder to pFolderName
  put the files into me
end NewFolder
---------------------
on openStack
  start using stack "libDispatcher"
  mc2_libDispatcher.Register the id of field "FileContents", \
    "NewFile", the id of field "FolderContents"
  mc2_libDispatcher.Register the id of field "FolderContents", \
    "NewFolder", the id of button "Choose"
end openStack

Total lines of code: 13

---------------------
---------------------

Version 2:
duplicate the controls, rename them, change the openStack handler to:

on openStack
  start using stack "libDispatcher"
  mc2_libDispatcher.Register the id of field "FileContents", \
    "NewFile", the id of field "FolderContents"
  mc2_libDispatcher.Register the id of field "FolderContents", \
    "NewFolder", the id of button "Choose"
  mc2_libDispatcher.Register the id of field "FileContents2", \
    "NewFile", the id of field "FolderContents2"
  mc2_libDispatcher.Register the id of field "FolderContents2", \
    "NewFolder", the id of button "Choose2"
end openStack

Total work time to modify: 2 minutes, including testing
Total extra lines of code: 2 (register two new observers)
Total modified lines of code in objects: 0
Total custom properties to adjust: 0

-- 
 -Mark Wieder
  mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From livfoss at mac.com  Mon Mar 27 01:36:53 2006
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:36:53 +0200
Subject: Avoiding line cut-off in a multipage printout
Message-ID: <815562A6-6F71-49F7-8314-78AA3D7CF620@mac.com>

It gets worse! I see now that the script can't know the exact number  
of lines that will be printed without clipping on a properly  
formatted page under Windows! What I can't understand (as with other  
aspects of printing) is why so few developers seem to care about  
this. Not everybody reads stuff on the screen: for example teachers,  
I find, want to carry bits of paper away with them (such as student  
reports) even if the actual app is a highly interactive screen-based  
thing.

It seems to me that in principle we can't know how much wiggle room  
to leave, because we can't know how different the screen and printer  
versions of Windows fonts might be. I haven't any real experience of  
this, but I guess that for some unusual fonts they might be very  
different indeed.  And I want my printing handler to be sufficiently  
generalised to allow it to print a text in any available font, chosen  
by the user and therefore not predictable by me. After all that's  
what even the most elementary text editors do. Come to that, what  
does the RR IDE do?

Is there nobody out there who has developed a rock-solid solution to  
this?

Puzzled

Graham

On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 16:57:51 -0800, Scott Morrow  
<scott at elementarysoftware.com> wrote:

> Graham,
> This is what I do, also and I agree that using the formattedHeight of
> characters seems more convoluted than one would like.  Or perhaps I
> don't understand things well enough.  I've found that when I switch
> to < formatForPrinting > the heights of things change enough to cause
> problems with any exact calculation I might have done  (last line may
> be partially clipped) unless I leave some wiggle room in my
> calculations.  Using lines would be nice.
>
> On Mar 26, 2006, at 5:36 AM, Graham Samuel wrote:
>
>
>> I have a print routine adapted from something Hugh Senior put in
>> The Scripter's Scrapbook (thanks Hugh). I may well have done
>> something stupid to it, but I am making heavy weather of making
>> sure that if I'm printing more than a single page of text, the last
>> line on any given page is not cut off so that only part of the line
>> shows.
>>
>> The issue is that AFAIK, RunRev thinks only in terms of pixels and
>> not in terms of lines of type. In these circumstances the only way
>> I can think of to avoid the cutoff is to add up all the formatted
>> heights of the successive lines until I find I've overflowed my
>> page area, then backtrack one whole line and print that (I'm
>> thinking of a generalised routine which will handle lines in
>> different fonts and of different heights, so I can't simply look at
>> the height of the first line and work from there).
>>
>> This works but it seem incredibly clunky. I assume that this
>> problem has been solved many times, and that maybe there is even a
>> way of telling RR that you want to print in whole lines but I've
>> somehow missed it.
>>
>> I'd be grateful for any advice.
>>
>> Graham
>> ----------------------------------------
>> Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France
>>
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----------------------------------------
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Mon Mar 27 01:56:29 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 22:56:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <44274596.8020303@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603262255010.17958-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Or, that, indeed, any product differentiation finds its way into the line
in 12 months or less time.

random()

anyone?

Judy

On Sun, 26 Mar 2006, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> > That said, I too am puzzled by the decision that leaving the backdrop on all
> > the time somehow makes Rev Media a differentiated, less capable product. And
> > that in turn may explain why I'm not in marketing.
>
> I'll take bets that a different differentiator find its way into the
> product within 12 months or less....



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Mar 27 02:09:18 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 01:09:18 -0600
Subject: Avoiding line cut-off in a multipage printout
In-Reply-To: <815562A6-6F71-49F7-8314-78AA3D7CF620@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C04CEBBE.3878C%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/27/06 12:36 AM, "Graham Samuel" <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:

> It gets worse! I see now that the script can't know the exact number
> of lines that will be printed without clipping on a properly
> formatted page under Windows! What I can't understand (as with other
> aspects of printing) is why so few developers seem to care about
> this. Not everybody reads stuff on the screen: for example teachers,
> I find, want to carry bits of paper away with them (such as student
> reports) even if the actual app is a highly interactive screen-based
> thing.

Did you check the "pageHeights" property? That might help...


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com




From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Mon Mar 27 02:24:52 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 23:24:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <AB81A819-90D4-4F6D-ACCF-BEA992518DE4@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603262320090.17958-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Not to disagree overly, but,

a product one charge's $49 for is still a product for which one charges,
no?

Judy

On Sun, 26 Mar 2006, Dennis Brown wrote:

> To me the enforced backdrop is the same thing as a nag screen.  A
> complete annoyance, and not to be expected in a product that one
> charges for.




From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Mon Mar 27 02:25:56 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 23:25:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <20060327035939.A78D2871D9@spunkymail-a2.dreamhost.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603262325150.17958-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

And, I must be missing it, so, I'll ask,

So, what was wrong exactly with DreamCard???

Judy

On Sun, 26 Mar 2006, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

> > I vote against subtle, but user-hostile incentives to upgrade
> > to Studio. I understand that Media is probably a loss leader.
> > I'll be getting a good deal at $49. I'd feel fine about
> > paying more money for Media if I could keep all the
> > functionality I now get from Dreamcard.
>
> But then you'd just be getting Dreamcard, right?;-)



From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Mon Mar 27 02:26:43 2006
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:26:43 +0100
Subject: Avoiding line cut-off in a multipage printout
In-Reply-To: <815562A6-6F71-49F7-8314-78AA3D7CF620@mac.com>
References: <815562A6-6F71-49F7-8314-78AA3D7CF620@mac.com>
Message-ID: <FC39066A-8452-4084-914B-B9541D8B86E0@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 27 Mar 2006, at 07:36, Graham Samuel wrote:
>
> It seems to me that in principle we can't know how much wiggle room  
> to leave, because we can't know how different the screen and  
> printer versions of Windows fonts might be. I haven't any real  
> experience of this, but I guess that for some unusual fonts they  
> might be very different indeed.  And I want my printing handler to  
> be sufficiently generalised to allow it to print a text in any  
> available font, chosen by the user and therefore not predictable by  
> me. After all that's what even the most elementary text editors do.  
> Come to that, what does the RR IDE do?

Graham, I'm not sure of your exact problem, but can you use the  
pageHeights property? I've used this before to print multi-paged  
fields. But it's been a while now (more than a few days :-)), so I  
forget the exact details of what I did.

Apologies if you've already looked at that.

Cheers
Dave




From a.calloway at callowaygreen.com  Mon Mar 27 02:31:15 2006
From: a.calloway at callowaygreen.com (Andy Calloway)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:31:15 +0100
Subject: Setting up a team...
In-Reply-To: <44247376.8020207@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <001901c65170$6e46f990$1400a8c0@ACERLaptop>

Excellent idea... Except isn't it in Canada somewhere?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Phil Davis
> Sent: 24 March 2006 22:32
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Setting up a team...
> 
> Hi Andy,
> 
> Why don't you come to RevCon in June? There you'll be able to 
> meet a ton of people of the type you're looking for!
> 
> Phil Davis
> 
>



From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Mon Mar 27 03:15:07 2006
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9.Bisseret?=)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:15:07 +0200
Subject: copy from a locked,
	focusable fld under Windows (results & one question, now answered )
In-Reply-To: <4427154B.9090903@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CD3B951E-BD69-11DA-A51D-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>


Le Monday, 27 Mar 2006, ? 00:27 Europe/Paris, J. Landman Gay a ?crit :

> Andr?.Bisseret wrote:
>
>> Also, this simpler handler works on Windows as well as on Mac. :
>> on copySelection
>> copy the selectedText -- the html form is kept :-)
>> end copySelection
>> 2 - BUT, if these handlers are triggered from a button :
>> on Mac, it is OK
>> on Windows, that does not work with the mouse "left button", but does 
>> work with the "right button"  (discovered by chance by one testor) !
>> It seems as if the click on the button using the left mouse button on 
>> Windows deselects the text that was selected in the field.
>
> Set the traversalOn of the button to false. With it on, it removes the 
> selection. Macs generally don't respond to button traversal, so it 
> doesn't affect them, but Windows OS does respond to it.
>
Great :-)))
Up to now I had not noticed that buttons depended on the traversalOn 
property. I understand from your answer that it is likely because I am 
working on Mac.
Well, I have just discovered that I could have get the answer if I had 
better read the Doc ! (under "Important", on the TraversalOn page !). I 
am a bit ashamed!

Actually, It was the last (known) problem I had to figure out, as for 
the adaptation of my app. to Windows.

I thank you very much for helping me once more :-)

Andr?

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From livfoss at mac.com  Mon Mar 27 04:02:00 2006
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:02:00 +0200
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
Message-ID: <1A4028D4-787F-43BD-B8C9-0B5A23221E81@mac.com>

On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 17:53:26 -0800, Richard Gaskin  
<ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> Dan Shafer wrote:
>
>
>> It feels like this inconvenience is pretty minor unless the user  
>> actually
>> moves the mouse to the dock, moves around to find the app s/he  
>> wants to use
>> and clicks on it.
>>
>
> This raises a question about who the product is targeted for:  If  
> one's
> doing multimedia and wants a backdrop, they probably don't want the  
> Dock
> and the menu bar.  If they want the Dock and the menu bar, they  
> probably
> don't want the backdrop.
>
> So what is the target market who prefers both a backdrop and the  
> Dock/menus?

I (or in fact my users - schoolchildren) represent a segment of that  
market. What they appear to want is the familiar look of the computer  
screen, which they are all of course already happy with, but without  
the distractions of other application windows  while they are working  
on the game-like app which I provide. These kids would be insulted  
not to see the dock/toolbar - it would just seem patronising to hide  
it. But they do want the current app to fill the available screen  
area. Or so my (very experienced) publisher tells me. To accomplish  
this using Rev itself I have done a home-grown backdrop that uses the  
windowBoundingRect and does some calculations.

FWIW

Graham

----------------------------------------
Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France



From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Mar 27 04:51:09 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 03:51:09 -0600
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <44274596.8020303@fourthworld.com>
References: <44274596.8020303@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4427B58D.2080904@chipp.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:

> I'll take bets that a different differentiator find its way into the 
> product within 12 months or less....

Boy, you sure are a guy who likes to go out on a limb!!!

Hmmm, what is it, 4 different low-end products in as many years?
You can bet I don't bet against you!

-Chipp



From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Mon Mar 27 05:01:22 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:01:22 +0100
Subject: RAD - Case Study Version 2
In-Reply-To: <1896181839.20060326220815@ahsoftware.net>
References: <9F879CCF-19A7-462A-B425-15CF4AE30502@dsl.pipex.com>
	<44259F1C.4090202@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1896181839.20060326220815@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <432E822C-F2AA-4BBA-B75E-607AA1D6E082@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi Mark,

I looked at your example and the ISM stack I have developed is *VERY*  
similar to your mc2_libDispatcher. The only main difference I can see  
is that I have a secondary Message/Event ID which I call a "Kind".  
This is to allow you to have more than one copy of the same event.

There is also a difference in the way in which your example actually  
uses the Dispatcher, you do your "Listening" or "Registering" at the  
Stack level, which means you have to change the Stack Script when you  
add a control to the stack:

On 27 Mar 2006, at 07:08, Mark Wieder wrote:

> on openStack
>   start using stack "libDispatcher"
>   mc2_libDispatcher.Register the id of field "FileContents", \
>     "NewFile", the id of field "FolderContents"
>   mc2_libDispatcher.Register the id of field "FolderContents", \
>     "NewFolder", the id of button "Choose"
> end openStack

This means you are hardcoding control names into the stack. I *could*  
do it this way too, but in order to allow objects to be pasted and  
duped in a stack and have them just work without changing any other  
scripts, I do the "Register" at the control level.

Other than that the concepts are identical!

As I've explained, I don't bypass or in any way effect the existing  
message-passing hierarchy. ISM works *with* the xTalk environment.

Thanks for your input.

All the Best
Dave




From katir at hindu.org  Mon Mar 27 05:09:20 2006
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 00:09:20 -1000
Subject: Standalone Application Icons not working in 2.7
Message-ID: <D37F2C83-A0C2-4F1D-9B79-E47253DA7EAB@hindu.org>

I got the IconFactory IconBuilder plug in for photoshop (thanks to  
Richard's recommendation) and it works great... a dream tool...

But assigning the output files from IconBuilder to standalones inside  
the standalone settings does not take effect... choose the Mac file  
for OSX and then .ico file for Windows and build the standalones...  
the are successfully built, but no icons applied.

What am I missing?

Sivakatirswami



From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Mon Mar 27 05:11:04 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:11:04 +0100
Subject: Target not working???
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603262325150.17958-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603262325150.17958-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <C49F00AE-770E-4703-B13C-3CAC56953B83@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

The "target" keyword doesn't seem to work inside a "libraryStack"  
function. For example:

In a button in the Main Stack "Test1":

on mouseUp
   start using "TestLib"
end mouseUp


In the Library ("TestLib":

on libraryStack
   put target & cr after field 1 of me		
end libraryStack

In this case "target" is set to "TestLib" and not "Test1" as expected.

Is this the correct action? If not, how can I get the stack that  
issued the "start using" command from within a library?

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave



From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Mar 27 05:18:32 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 04:18:32 -0600
Subject: Standalone Application Icons not working in 2.7
In-Reply-To: <D37F2C83-A0C2-4F1D-9B79-E47253DA7EAB@hindu.org>
References: <D37F2C83-A0C2-4F1D-9B79-E47253DA7EAB@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <4427BBF8.6030803@chipp.com>

Sivaktirswami,

If you're on a Mac, then zip and unzip them and you'll see the icon 
'take effect'.

-Chipp

PS, I've a tutorial on using IconBuilder at:
http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/StandaloneBuilderTutorial/BuildingIconsforMacOSXandWindowsXP.htm

Sivakatirswami wrote:
> I got the IconFactory IconBuilder plug in for photoshop (thanks to  
> Richard's recommendation) and it works great... a dream tool...
> 
> But assigning the output files from IconBuilder to standalones inside  
> the standalone settings does not take effect... choose the Mac file  for 
> OSX and then .ico file for Windows and build the standalones...  the are 
> successfully built, but no icons applied.
> 
> What am I missing?
> 
> Sivakatirswami
> 
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From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Mon Mar 27 05:19:10 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:19:10 +0100
Subject: Corrupted Stacks
In-Reply-To: <47369765-2AF5-4C0A-A1BB-38DD4AD8B014@idenrosenthal.com>
References: <47369765-2AF5-4C0A-A1BB-38DD4AD8B014@idenrosenthal.com>
Message-ID: <3954815D-2658-4AAA-BA5B-ED2EC54A3B83@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

I think you are confusing file names with stack names. In RunRev you  
can have two files with different names, but if the Stack Name (Set  
in the property inspector) are the same, you will get the message you  
describe. To get around this, quit RunRev or DreamCard and open just  
one of the stacks in question and rename it in the property inspector  
and save it again. You should then be able to open the other Stack  
file with no problems.

Also please not that the latest version of RunRev 2.7 uses a new  
stack file format and if you save a stack under 2.7 and try to open  
it with a previous version you will get a "Stack Corrupted" error  
message.

Hope this Helps
All the Best
Dave

On 27 Mar 2006, at 05:26, Iden Rosenthal wrote:

> I just started using Dreamcard (how nice to be back with xtalk  
> after all these years) but after I did some work on some stacks I  
> went back to work on them again and it told me when I tried to open  
> a substack that the stack was corrupted. This was a shocker. I  
> don't really trust Dreamcard when I try to save files over the  
> older versions it seems to work. But then if I try and open what I  
> have saved it tell me there is already something with that name  
> open and do I want to Purge or Save or some such nonsense. It  
> really isn't very intuitive. Applications should just destroy the  
> files that you save over the names of with a different version. I  
> don't get why Dreamcard seems to be a nudge about there having been  
> a previous file that I thought I had done away with but somehow I  
> didn't. Fortunately I did have my work saved elsewhere in a copy of  
> a stack I had been working on that was not corrupted but it wasn't  
> because I tried to make a backup out of it -- it was only because I  
> am working on a large series of stacks that are all copies of each  
> other basically (differing only in their info content). I think I  
> would have been quite upset if Dreamcard had told me to look for a  
> backup of my work (which it does when a stack corrupted message  
> appears) but it doesn't automatically create backups and by chance  
> I didn't have one. Is there some way I can avoid this in future  
> other than always having two or three backups saved?
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From mark at maseurope.net  Mon Mar 27 05:43:13 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:43:13 +0100
Subject: Target not working???
In-Reply-To: <C49F00AE-770E-4703-B13C-3CAC56953B83@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603262325150.17958-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<C49F00AE-770E-4703-B13C-3CAC56953B83@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <0D8E4447-B9BD-42CD-8550-B68D08392031@maseurope.net>

The target of the 'start using' <is> stack TestLib, no?

You could always try

on mouseUp
   start using stack "TestLib"
   addToTestLibClientStacks the short name of this stack
end mouseup

and in TestLib

on addToTestLibClientStacks who
   put who & cr after fld 1 of me
end addToTestLibClientStacks

which is fairly consistent with your ISM approach, I think.

Mark

On 27 Mar 2006, at 11:11, David Burgun wrote:

> Hi,
>
> The "target" keyword doesn't seem to work inside a "libraryStack"  
> function. For example:
>
> In a button in the Main Stack "Test1":
>
> on mouseUp
>   start using "TestLib"
> end mouseUp
>
>
> In the Library ("TestLib":
>
> on libraryStack
>   put target & cr after field 1 of me		
> end libraryStack
>
> In this case "target" is set to "TestLib" and not "Test1" as expected.
>
> Is this the correct action? If not, how can I get the stack that  
> issued the "start using" command from within a library?
>
> Thanks a lot
> All the Best
> Dave
>
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From livfoss at mac.com  Mon Mar 27 05:52:30 2006
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:52:30 +0200
Subject: Can a constant be global?
Message-ID: <2C198F0B-8890-451F-98BA-794478269200@mac.com>

This is another of those things that I've lived without for years - I  
normally use globals to contain text strings which may change if the  
human language of the app changes (what is the Welsh for "Cancel"? -  
don't know, but I know someone who can tell me!), so that all the  
values can be initialised in one handler when the app starts up: but  
after all this time I thought I'd try using constants instead.

However neither the RR documentation nor my experiments seem to  
suggest that there is a way of making constants global (i.e  
constant). Can this really be true? If so, they have a crushing  
disadvantage with respect to globals. After all, RR's own constants  
are global. I guess I've missed something.

Thanks to anyone who can dispel another of my clouds of ignorance.

Graham


----------------------------------------
Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France



From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Mon Mar 27 06:14:38 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:14:38 +0100
Subject: Can a constant be global?
In-Reply-To: <2C198F0B-8890-451F-98BA-794478269200@mac.com>
References: <2C198F0B-8890-451F-98BA-794478269200@mac.com>
Message-ID: <288EA885-4541-4FAA-8CB5-DD756532CE63@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

As far as I know, constants are only valid in the current script.  
Globals are really "Global" but then they can't be initialized to a  
value when they are defined, which is why I assume constants can't be  
"Global".

The only way I have found to make constants "Global" is to make and  
use a Library Stack that becomes a sort of poor man's constant.  
Here's what I do:


ConstantLib - In the stack script

constant kConstant1 = "XXXXX"
constant kConstant2 = "12"

function kConstant1
return kConstant1
end kConstant1

function kConstant2
return kConstant2
end kConstant2


Then do a "start using ConstantLib" somewhere in the stack(s) that  
you want to "see" the constants and when you want to access one do this:

put kConstant1() into myValue

or

add kConstant2() to myNumber

or

get kConstant1

Hope this Helps
All the Best
Dave

On 27 Mar 2006, at 11:52, Graham Samuel wrote:

> This is another of those things that I've lived without for years -  
> I normally use globals to contain text strings which may change if  
> the human language of the app changes (what is the Welsh for  
> "Cancel"? - don't know, but I know someone who can tell me!), so  
> that all the values can be initialised in one handler when the app  
> starts up: but after all this time I thought I'd try using  
> constants instead.
>
> However neither the RR documentation nor my experiments seem to  
> suggest that there is a way of making constants global (i.e  
> constant). Can this really be true? If so, they have a crushing  
> disadvantage with respect to globals. After all, RR's own constants  
> are global. I guess I've missed something.
>
> Thanks to anyone who can dispel another of my clouds of ignorance.
>
> Graham
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
> Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France
>
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From kevin at runrev.com  Mon Mar 27 06:32:16 2006
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:32:16 +0100
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <442710D5.2040600@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C04D8BD0.2E794%kevin@runrev.com>

On 26/3/06 23:08, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

>> I accept full responsibility for this recent change.
> 
> "Full"?  Someone bumped off the CEO?

The coup must have been poorly executed...I still seem to be here :)

Seriously though, this change came up as part of a discussion on what people
liked and disliked about Dreamcard, as well as a broader strategy on how to
differentiate products to better serve the needs of our customers.
Dreamcard was too powerful in many ways for its price point, a little too
expensive for the target market, and at the same time didn't have enough
material to easily get started out of the box with.  Which is not to say
that Dreamcard didn't serve a purpose, but Media is a better positioned tool
that will be more useful for people out of the box.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools



From kevin at runrev.com  Mon Mar 27 06:38:22 2006
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:38:22 +0100
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <p06200703c04cd6466f57@[10.0.1.201]>
Message-ID: <C04D8D3E.2E795%kevin@runrev.com>

On 27/3/06 00:53, "Timothy Miller" <gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com> wrote:

> I can't endorse that statement. I've tried using my dreamcard stacks
> with the backdrop turned on, to get a sense of what it might be like
> to use Media. A mandatory backdrop seems unnecessary and user hostile
> to me.

Please wait for Media before passing judgment on it.  A more finely detailed
breakdown of exactly what is in Media and what isn't in it will appear
around about shipping time.  The backdrop is in the player (not the IDE) and
is appropriate for delivering Media type applications - e.g. a kiosk or
presentation.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools



From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Mon Mar 27 06:53:18 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:53:18 +0100
Subject: Target not working???
In-Reply-To: <0D8E4447-B9BD-42CD-8550-B68D08392031@maseurope.net>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603262325150.17958-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<C49F00AE-770E-4703-B13C-3CAC56953B83@dsl.pipex.com>
	<0D8E4447-B9BD-42CD-8550-B68D08392031@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <59F8F172-D76B-4432-9A15-001E2ED0C3F9@dsl.pipex.com>


On 27 Mar 2006, at 11:43, Mark Smith wrote:

> The target of the 'start using' <is> stack TestLib, no?

I'm not sure and a bit confused! But from just experimenting with  
Target a bit more, yes, you are right.
Yes, that seems like another way to do it.

I would like to scan the script(s) of the stack that just did the  
"start using" and was hoping that I could do it without an additional  
call to the library, since it's a bit error prone and it's better  
practice anyway to do it in the "libraryStack" hanlder.

I could also use a Global and clear it after use, as in:

global gISMStackName

on libraryStack
   if gISMStackName = empty then
	 stop using "/Users/Dave/Desktop/TestLib/Lib.rev"
	 throw " gISMStackName not set"
      exit libraryStack	
   end if

   put "libraryStack" & cr after field 1 of me
   put gISMStackName after field 1 of me
   put cr & cr after field 1 of me
   select after field 1 of me

   put empty into gISMStackName
end libraryStack

Then in the stack that does the "start using" do this:

global gISMStackName
	
on mouseUp
   local myError

   put the long name of this stack into gISMStackName
  -- put empty into gISMStackName            --Uncomment to test the  
"try"

   try
     start using "/Users/Dave/Desktop/TestLib/Lib.rev"

   catch myError
     answer myError
   end try
end mouseUp


I'd have to do something similar in the releaseStack handler too.

Not sure what the best way to do this is? What do you think?

All the Best
Dave






From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Mon Mar 27 07:00:50 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:00:50 +0100
Subject: 15K Limit on posts is a Real Pain!!!???
In-Reply-To: <C04D8BD0.2E794%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C04D8BD0.2E794%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <51D21E6F-FE31-47E9-908D-0D40A5F0B939@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

Does anyone else think that the 15K limit  on posts to this list is a  
pain especially in these days of broadband???

15K would be ok, if it just counted the "real" or "plain"  text of  
the post and not included all the RTF/HTML "fluff" that gets sent.  
Since it strips all this info before sending it out to everyone,  
wouldn't it be better to strip it *BEFORE* bouncing it for being too  
big?!

I guess this is partly due to the emailer I am using (Apple Mail)  
which has an option to send in plain text but it's global and I AFAIK  
can't be set on a message-by-message basis.

All the Best
Dave



From rjb at robelko.com  Mon Mar 27 07:04:25 2006
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:04:25 +0200
Subject: Can a constant be global?
In-Reply-To: <2C198F0B-8890-451F-98BA-794478269200@mac.com>
References: <2C198F0B-8890-451F-98BA-794478269200@mac.com>
Message-ID: <a06110406c04d839f0443@[192.168.1.104]>

>This is another of those things that I've lived without for years - 
>I normally use globals to contain text strings which may change if 
>the human language of the app changes (what is the Welsh for 
>"Cancel"? - don't know, but I know someone who can tell me!), so 
>that all the values can be initialised in one handler when the app 
>starts up: but after all this time I thought I'd try using constants 
>instead.
>
>However neither the RR documentation nor my experiments seem to 
>suggest that there is a way of making constants global (i.e 
>constant). Can this really be true? If so, they have a crushing 
>disadvantage with respect to globals. After all, RR's own constants 
>are global. I guess I've missed something.
>
>Thanks to anyone who can dispel another of my clouds of ignorance.
>
>Graham
>

RR's own constants are global because they are part of the language 
so do speak. As such, they are defined in the engine. That makes them 
a different beast than constant defined in your scripts.

Replicating constant behavior at global level has been discussed 
quite a lot in the past, and not only on this list, but... it is a 
lot more complicated than it seems at first glance. So, for now at 
least, there is no way to make a global behave like a constant 
through declaration. It is up to you to designate some globals as 
global constants, like using a different prefix than for global 
variables.

Robert


From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Mon Mar 27 07:07:48 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:07:48 +0100
Subject: Target not working???
In-Reply-To: <0D8E4447-B9BD-42CD-8550-B68D08392031@maseurope.net>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603262325150.17958-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<C49F00AE-770E-4703-B13C-3CAC56953B83@dsl.pipex.com>
	<0D8E4447-B9BD-42CD-8550-B68D08392031@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <8338D4DD-B7D1-4AB4-B3D4-6D6F513172D5@dsl.pipex.com>


On 27 Mar 2006, at 11:43, Mark Smith wrote:

> The target of the 'start using' <is> stack TestLib, no?
>
> You could always try
>
> on mouseUp
>   start using stack "TestLib"
>   addToTestLibClientStacks the short name of this stack
> end mouseup
>
> and in TestLib
>
> on addToTestLibClientStacks who
>   put who & cr after fld 1 of me
> end addToTestLibClientStacks
>
> which is fairly consistent with your ISM approach, I think.

Actually doing it this way, you wouldn't need to pass the stack name  
to the library, "this stack" would contain the calling stack, no?

Thanks a lot
Dave




From martinblackman at gmail.com  Mon Mar 27 07:09:40 2006
From: martinblackman at gmail.com (Martin Blackman)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:09:40 +0800
Subject: When closed,
	does a substack whose destroyStack is true remains in memory ?
In-Reply-To: <C04833D9.383B2%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <44229CAA.7090000@fourthworld.com>
	<C04833D9.383B2%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <79d1bee70603270409g4ad06c3cibecd997c715c2ad3@mail.gmail.com>

The original thrust of this thread still puzzles me a little - how
does one satisfy the requirement stated in the docs that a stack be
closed and not in memory before setting 'formatforprinting'  to true ?
  eg a typical application has a printing substack that gets cloned
(thereby opening it) and filled with data before printing.  I can set
formatforprinting to true before cloning, but then the text fields
will be edited before printing -which is also a no-no according to the
docs, if I understand correctly.

Martin Blackman


From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Mon Mar 27 07:12:19 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:12:19 +0100
Subject: Can a constant be global?
In-Reply-To: <a06110406c04d839f0443@[192.168.1.104]>
References: <2C198F0B-8890-451F-98BA-794478269200@mac.com>
	<a06110406c04d839f0443@[192.168.1.104]>
Message-ID: <E8334046-34BC-4999-A7F5-4F84311AB893@dsl.pipex.com>


On 27 Mar 2006, at 13:04, Robert Brenstein wrote:

>> This is another of those things that I've lived without for years  
>> - I normally use globals to contain text strings which may change  
>> if the human language of the app changes (what is the Welsh for  
>> "Cancel"? - don't know, but I know someone who can tell me!), so  
>> that all the values can be initialised in one handler when the app  
>> starts up: but after all this time I thought I'd try using  
>> constants instead.
>>
>> However neither the RR documentation nor my experiments seem to  
>> suggest that there is a way of making constants global (i.e  
>> constant). Can this really be true? If so, they have a crushing  
>> disadvantage with respect to globals. After all, RR's own  
>> constants are global. I guess I've missed something.
>>
>> Thanks to anyone who can dispel another of my clouds of ignorance.
>>
>> Graham
>>
>
> RR's own constants are global because they are part of the language  
> so do speak. As such, they are defined in the engine. That makes  
> them a different beast than constant defined in your scripts.
>
> Replicating constant behavior at global level has been discussed  
> quite a lot in the past, and not only on this list, but... it is a  
> lot more complicated than it seems at first glance. So, for now at  
> least, there is no way to make a global behave like a constant  
> through declaration. It is up to you to designate some globals as  
> global constants, like using a different prefix than for global  
> variables.

But the problem there is where do you actually set them? Obviously  
you have to make sure they are set before another stack/card/control  
uses them.

That's why I decided that a Constant Library was a better way to go.

All the Best
Dave




From bvg at mac.com  Mon Mar 27 07:13:46 2006
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:13:46 +0200
Subject: 15K Limit on posts is a Real Pain!!!???
In-Reply-To: <51D21E6F-FE31-47E9-908D-0D40A5F0B939@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <C04D8BD0.2E794%kevin@runrev.com>
	<51D21E6F-FE31-47E9-908D-0D40A5F0B939@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <64a8571d23a923fe57c4c11947df191c@mac.com>


On Mar 27 2006, at 14:00, David Burgun wrote:

> I guess this is partly due to the emailer I am using (Apple Mail) 
> which has an option to send in plain text but it's global and I AFAIK 
> can't be set on a message-by-message basis.

You can set the mail to plain text on a per mail basis. Open your new 
mail then:

Menu Format -> make plain text
or
Shift command t
or
Go to menu view -> customise toolbar, and add the "make plain text" 
icon to the toolbar

Also many people are still on dialup, the limitation is quite fine in 
my opinion.


-- 

official ChatRev page:
http://chatrev.bjoernke.com

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev"



From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Mon Mar 27 07:24:04 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:24:04 +0100
Subject: 15K Limit on posts is a Real Pain!!!???
In-Reply-To: <64a8571d23a923fe57c4c11947df191c@mac.com>
References: <C04D8BD0.2E794%kevin@runrev.com>
	<51D21E6F-FE31-47E9-908D-0D40A5F0B939@dsl.pipex.com>
	<64a8571d23a923fe57c4c11947df191c@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C84662A3-8248-4623-AAEB-3770034C5D4A@dsl.pipex.com>


On 27 Mar 2006, at 13:13, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

>
> On Mar 27 2006, at 14:00, David Burgun wrote:
>
>> I guess this is partly due to the emailer I am using (Apple Mail)  
>> which has an option to send in plain text but it's global and I  
>> AFAIK can't be set on a message-by-message basis.
>
> You can set the mail to plain text on a per mail basis. Open your  
> new mail then:
>
> Menu Format -> make plain text
> or
> Shift command t
> or
> Go to menu view -> customise toolbar, and add the "make plain text"  
> icon to the toolbar
>
> Also many people are still on dialup, the limitation is quite fine  
> in my opinion.

Thank you so much! I guess I couldn't see it for looking! I must be  
going blind, cos I can't seem to find "make plain text" icon in the  
Customize Toolbar dialog either! What version of Apple Mail are you  
using? I'm on 2.0.7.

Thanks again
Dave




From rjb at robelko.com  Mon Mar 27 07:37:14 2006
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:37:14 +0200
Subject: Can a constant be global?
In-Reply-To: <E8334046-34BC-4999-A7F5-4F84311AB893@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <2C198F0B-8890-451F-98BA-794478269200@mac.com>
	<a06110406c04d839f0443@[192.168.1.104]>
	<E8334046-34BC-4999-A7F5-4F84311AB893@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <a06110407c04d8bafea18@[192.168.1.104]>

>>Replicating constant behavior at global level has been discussed 
>>quite a lot in the past, and not only on this list, but... it is a 
>>lot more complicated than it seems at first glance. So, for now at 
>>least, there is no way to make a global behave like a constant 
>>through declaration. It is up to you to designate some globals as 
>>global constants, like using a different prefix than for global 
>>variables.
>
>But the problem there is where do you actually set them? Obviously 
>you have to make sure they are set before another stack/card/control 
>uses them.
>
>That's why I decided that a Constant Library was a better way to go.
>
>All the Best
>Dave

Well, yes, that is exactly one of the problems. Another, for example, 
what happens if you make a mistake in assigning a value and need to 
change it?

So, yes, your Constant Library using functions is one of the 
reasonable solutions. Making your own classes of globals is another. 
One can also have a global array to hold your constants, like 
myConstants["pi"]. Initializing these in your own project is best 
done in openstack or preopenstack of the mainstack. However, in your 
big reusable system, that would not work, so for you the Constant 
Library is probably an optimal solution.

Robert


From mark at maseurope.net  Mon Mar 27 07:47:50 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:47:50 +0100
Subject: Target not working???
In-Reply-To: <59F8F172-D76B-4432-9A15-001E2ED0C3F9@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603262325150.17958-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<C49F00AE-770E-4703-B13C-3CAC56953B83@dsl.pipex.com>
	<0D8E4447-B9BD-42CD-8550-B68D08392031@maseurope.net>
	<59F8F172-D76B-4432-9A15-001E2ED0C3F9@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <C3E73160-BF26-4A55-926C-93ECA3240EB4@maseurope.net>

Since a stack that is in use is available to all other stacks (it's  
script has been inserted into back), maybe it would be better simply  
for any stack that needs to use the libStack to'register' and  
'deregister' with the libStack, which can then put itself in and out  
of use as necessary.

in a client stack, for example

on openStack
   put the long name of me into myName
   send "libStackregister myName" to stack "/Users/Dave/Desktop/ 
TestLib/Lib.rev"
   pass openStack
end openStack

on closeStack
   put the long name of me into myName
   send "libStackDeregister myName" to stack "/Users/Dave/Desktop/ 
TestLib/Lib.rev"
   pass closeStack
in the libStack

and in the libStack

on libStackRegister tClient
   set the clients of me to the clients of me & cr & tClient
   start using me
end libStackRegister

on libStackDeregister tClient
   put the clients of me into cList
   get lineOffset(tClient,cList)
   if it > 0 then delete line it of cList
   set the clients of me to cList
   if the clients of me is empty then stop using me
end libStackDregister


Mark

On 27 Mar 2006, at 12:53, David Burgun wrote:

>
> On 27 Mar 2006, at 11:43, Mark Smith wrote:
>
>> The target of the 'start using' <is> stack TestLib, no?
>
> I'm not sure and a bit confused! But from just experimenting with  
> Target a bit more, yes, you are right.
> Yes, that seems like another way to do it.
>
> I would like to scan the script(s) of the stack that just did the  
> "start using" and was hoping that I could do it without an  
> additional call to the library, since it's a bit error prone and  
> it's better practice anyway to do it in the "libraryStack" hanlder.
>
> I could also use a Global and clear it after use, as in:
>
> global gISMStackName
>
> on libraryStack
>   if gISMStackName = empty then
> 	 stop using "/Users/Dave/Desktop/TestLib/Lib.rev"
> 	 throw " gISMStackName not set"
>      exit libraryStack	
>   end if
>
>   put "libraryStack" & cr after field 1 of me
>   put gISMStackName after field 1 of me
>   put cr & cr after field 1 of me
>   select after field 1 of me
>
>   put empty into gISMStackName
> end libraryStack
>
> Then in the stack that does the "start using" do this:
>
> global gISMStackName
> 	
> on mouseUp
>   local myError
>
>   put the long name of this stack into gISMStackName
>  -- put empty into gISMStackName            --Uncomment to test the  
> "try"
>
>   try
>     start using "/Users/Dave/Desktop/TestLib/Lib.rev"
>
>   catch myError
>     answer myError
>   end try
> end mouseUp
>
>
> I'd have to do something similar in the releaseStack handler too.
>
> Not sure what the best way to do this is? What do you think?
>
> All the Best
> Dave
>
>
>
>
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From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Mon Mar 27 07:59:44 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:59:44 +0100
Subject: Target not working???
In-Reply-To: <C3E73160-BF26-4A55-926C-93ECA3240EB4@maseurope.net>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603262325150.17958-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<C49F00AE-770E-4703-B13C-3CAC56953B83@dsl.pipex.com>
	<0D8E4447-B9BD-42CD-8550-B68D08392031@maseurope.net>
	<59F8F172-D76B-4432-9A15-001E2ED0C3F9@dsl.pipex.com>
	<C3E73160-BF26-4A55-926C-93ECA3240EB4@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <9116BC06-39B0-406C-950A-B70495D5170C@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi Mark,

I was just pondering this problem when your post arrived!

All I can say is - FANTASTIC! This is definitely the way to go! I  
hadn't thought of explicitly sending to the file name (long name) of  
the stack, but of course it it will work! It also fits in nicely to  
what I was trying to do *AND* results in a lot less code!

Thanks again for this and all the other times!

All the Best
Dave

On 27 Mar 2006, at 13:47, Mark Smith wrote:

> Since a stack that is in use is available to all other stacks (it's  
> script has been inserted into back), maybe it would be better  
> simply for any stack that needs to use the libStack to'register'  
> and 'deregister' with the libStack, which can then put itself in  
> and out of use as necessary.
>
> in a client stack, for example
>
> on openStack
>   put the long name of me into myName
>   send "libStackregister myName" to stack "/Users/Dave/Desktop/ 
> TestLib/Lib.rev"
>   pass openStack
> end openStack
>
> on closeStack
>   put the long name of me into myName
>   send "libStackDeregister myName" to stack "/Users/Dave/Desktop/ 
> TestLib/Lib.rev"
>   pass closeStack
> in the libStack
>
> and in the libStack
>
> on libStackRegister tClient
>   set the clients of me to the clients of me & cr & tClient
>   start using me
> end libStackRegister
>
> on libStackDeregister tClient
>   put the clients of me into cList
>   get lineOffset(tClient,cList)
>   if it > 0 then delete line it of cList
>   set the clients of me to cList
>   if the clients of me is empty then stop using me
> end libStackDregister
>
>
> Mark
>


From 36degrees at runrev.com  Mon Mar 27 08:03:23 2006
From: 36degrees at runrev.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:03:23 +0100
Subject: Terrible RunRev Bug? - Was Weirdness Passing Messages
In-Reply-To: <55F7D6CF-3DD4-4F07-BA3E-BDBB8D5078D5@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <10558498.1143073871474.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>
	<442278BD.8050002@chipp.com>
	<55F7D6CF-3DD4-4F07-BA3E-BDBB8D5078D5@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <4967928D-4365-4067-BEC4-A1DA59FF4357@runrev.com>

> I have a problem that first I thought was something that I was  
> doing wrong but now I'm not sure and would like confirmation of how  
> the Context mechanism works in RunRev.
>
> I have the following setup:
> 1  StackMain:Card1:ObjectA:mouseUp   - Calls Function  
> StackUtil:PutMessage("MessageX")
> 2  StackUtil:PutMessage                             - Calls Handler  
> StackMain:Card2:ObjectX:MessageX (via send)
> 3  StackMain:Card2:ObjectX:MessageX - Put "MessageX" into me and  
> then Calls Function StackUtil:PutMessage("MessageY")
> 4  StackUtil:PutMessage                            - Calls Handler  
> StackMain:Card2:ObjectY:MessageY (via send)
> 5  StackMain:Card2:ObjectY:MessageY - Put "MessageY" into me
>
> In this case the "put" statement at step 5 does NOT put "MessageY"  
> into  StackMain:Card2:ObjectY (the object is unchanged), but the  
> "put" at step 3 works ok.
>
> If I change the code at Step 5 to read:
> put "MessageY" into field "FieldY" of group "Y" of card 2 of stack  
> "/Documents/Test/StackMain.rev" (e.g. the hard coded name of the  
> object).
>

Try ensuring that the 'sharedText' property of your target fields are  
set to true.

If the sharedText is false, the field stores and retrieves its data  
from a card-local store, rather than its private store. Since  
'sending' a message only changes the default stack and not the  
current card of that stack, the active card store will be the card  
you aren't expecting.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

------------------------------------------------------------------
  Mark Waddingham ~ 36degrees at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com
        Runtime Revolution ~ User-Centric Development Tools





From mark at maseurope.net  Mon Mar 27 08:04:59 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:04:59 +0100
Subject: Target not working???
In-Reply-To: <9116BC06-39B0-406C-950A-B70495D5170C@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603262325150.17958-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<C49F00AE-770E-4703-B13C-3CAC56953B83@dsl.pipex.com>
	<0D8E4447-B9BD-42CD-8550-B68D08392031@maseurope.net>
	<59F8F172-D76B-4432-9A15-001E2ED0C3F9@dsl.pipex.com>
	<C3E73160-BF26-4A55-926C-93ECA3240EB4@maseurope.net>
	<9116BC06-39B0-406C-950A-B70495D5170C@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <AB88EF1E-60D3-4586-A426-743155876DB8@maseurope.net>

Great! Hope it works! :)

Best,

Mark

On 27 Mar 2006, at 13:59, David Burgun wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> I was just pondering this problem when your post arrived!
>
> All I can say is - FANTASTIC! This is definitely the way to go! I  
> hadn't thought of explicitly sending to the file name (long name)  
> of the stack, but of course it it will work! It also fits in nicely  
> to what I was trying to do *AND* results in a lot less code!
>
> Thanks again for this and all the other times!
>
> All the Best
> Dave
>
> On 27 Mar 2006, at 13:47, Mark Smith wrote:
>
>> Since a stack that is in use is available to all other stacks  
>> (it's script has been inserted into back), maybe it would be  
>> better simply for any stack that needs to use the libStack  
>> to'register' and 'deregister' with the libStack, which can then  
>> put itself in and out of use as necessary.
>>
>> in a client stack, for example
>>
>> on openStack
>>   put the long name of me into myName
>>   send "libStackregister myName" to stack "/Users/Dave/Desktop/ 
>> TestLib/Lib.rev"
>>   pass openStack
>> end openStack
>>
>> on closeStack
>>   put the long name of me into myName
>>   send "libStackDeregister myName" to stack "/Users/Dave/Desktop/ 
>> TestLib/Lib.rev"
>>   pass closeStack
>> in the libStack
>>
>> and in the libStack
>>
>> on libStackRegister tClient
>>   set the clients of me to the clients of me & cr & tClient
>>   start using me
>> end libStackRegister
>>
>> on libStackDeregister tClient
>>   put the clients of me into cList
>>   get lineOffset(tClient,cList)
>>   if it > 0 then delete line it of cList
>>   set the clients of me to cList
>>   if the clients of me is empty then stop using me
>> end libStackDregister
>>
>>
>> Mark
>>
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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Mon Mar 27 08:31:00 2006
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:31:00 -0500
Subject: 15K Limit on posts is a Real Pain!!!???
In-Reply-To: <C84662A3-8248-4623-AAEB-3770034C5D4A@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <C04D8BD0.2E794%kevin@runrev.com>
	<51D21E6F-FE31-47E9-908D-0D40A5F0B939@dsl.pipex.com>
	<64a8571d23a923fe57c4c11947df191c@mac.com>
	<C84662A3-8248-4623-AAEB-3770034C5D4A@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <79993F61-0B52-4631-ADFF-62B5FADDE30C@adelphia.net>

Dave,

Select a message and hit reply. THEN go to the view menu and  
customize toolbar - there you will see the rich text/plain text. It  
is not available from the main window but rather only when you open a  
new or reply window for email.

HTH

Tom

On Mar 27, 2006, at 7:24 AM, David Burgun wrote:

>
> On 27 Mar 2006, at 13:13, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:
>
>>
>> On Mar 27 2006, at 14:00, David Burgun wrote:
>>
>>> I guess this is partly due to the emailer I am using (Apple Mail)  
>>> which has an option to send in plain text but it's global and I  
>>> AFAIK can't be set on a message-by-message basis.
>>
>> You can set the mail to plain text on a per mail basis. Open your  
>> new mail then:
>>
>> Menu Format -> make plain text
>> or
>> Shift command t
>> or
>> Go to menu view -> customise toolbar, and add the "make plain  
>> text" icon to the toolbar
>>
>> Also many people are still on dialup, the limitation is quite fine  
>> in my opinion.
>
> Thank you so much! I guess I couldn't see it for looking! I must be  
> going blind, cos I can't seem to find "make plain text" icon in the  
> Customize Toolbar dialog either! What version of Apple Mail are you  
> using? I'm on 2.0.7.
>
> Thanks again
> Dave
>
>
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3mcgrath at adelphia.net

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Lazy River Metal Art? - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/metal.html

Meeting Wear? - http://www.cafepress.com/meetingwear

Semantic Compaction Systems - http://www.minspeak.com

SCIconics, LLC - http://www.sciconics.com/sciindex.html









From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Mar 27 08:34:42 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 07:34:42 -0600
Subject: Target not working???
In-Reply-To: <C49F00AE-770E-4703-B13C-3CAC56953B83@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <C04D4612.387E1%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/27/06 4:11 AM, "David Burgun" <dburgun at dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

> Is this the correct action? If not, how can I get the stack that
> issued the "start using" command from within a library?

Just curious, David... for what purpose do you need to know this
information?


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From kevin at runrev.com  Mon Mar 27 08:39:08 2006
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:39:08 +0100
Subject: 15K Limit on posts is a Real Pain!!!???
In-Reply-To: <51D21E6F-FE31-47E9-908D-0D40A5F0B939@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <C04DA98C.2E7CA%kevin@runrev.com>

On 27/3/06 13:00, "David Burgun" <dburgun at dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

> Does anyone else think that the 15K limit  on posts to this list is a
> pain especially in these days of broadband???
> 
> 15K would be ok, if it just counted the "real" or "plain"  text of
> the post and not included all the RTF/HTML "fluff" that gets sent.
> Since it strips all this info before sending it out to everyone,
> wouldn't it be better to strip it *BEFORE* bouncing it for being too
> big?!
> 
> I guess this is partly due to the emailer I am using (Apple Mail)
> which has an option to send in plain text but it's global and I AFAIK
> can't be set on a message-by-message basis.

Fortunately, we will shortly be launching a series of forums.  These will
give everyone a greater range of control and options.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools



From burrton at gmail.com  Mon Mar 27 08:49:56 2006
From: burrton at gmail.com (Burrton Woodruff)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:49:56 -0500
Subject: Removing password/passkey from stack
Message-ID: <FEF3390D-ABA8-4A0A-BA74-AD070161DAAB@gmail.com>

Hi Folk,

i'm having troubles with setting the passkey to disable the password  
protection from a stack while it is open.

Assume the password is "Gofer". Assume the stack name is "mystack"

I open the stack and from the msg box enter:

set passkey of stack "mystack" to "Gofer"
set the password of stack "mystack" to empty

 From the menu bar, all the File > Save options are dimmed, so I  
cannot save the stack
I cannot add a field or button to the stack
I cannot move the location of a control.

Pray tell, what am I doing wrong?

Burrton Woodruff
Ripple Software

I'm on Mac OS X 10.4.5
I'm running Revolution 2.6.1 (Build 152)





From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Mon Mar 27 09:00:51 2006
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9.Bisseret?=)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:00:51 +0200
Subject: When closed,
	does a substack whose destroyStack is true remains in memory ?
In-Reply-To: <79d1bee70603270409g4ad06c3cibecd997c715c2ad3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <19EFC59B-BD9A-11DA-A51D-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>


Le Monday, 27 Mar 2006, ? 14:09 Europe/Paris, Martin Blackman a ?crit :

> The original thrust of this thread still puzzles me a little - how
> does one satisfy the requirement stated in the docs that a stack be
> closed and not in memory before setting 'formatforprinting'  to true ?
>   eg a typical application has a printing substack that gets cloned
> (thereby opening it) and filled with data before printing.  I can set
> formatforprinting to true before cloning, but then the text fields
> will be edited before printing -which is also a no-no according to the
> docs, if I understand correctly.
If I don't misunderstand your problem, you want to use 
"formatForPrinting" in the frame of a specific printing stack.

Here is how I understood what is the necessary procedure :
If you want to use the "formatForPrinting" property (setting it to true 
before printing), your printing stack must be a main stack, not a 
substack of your main stack.
That's because, when your main stack is open, all its substacks are 
also in memory (even if they are not visible).
If your printing stack is a main stack then,
You can set its "destroyStack" property to true ("purge stack on close" 
in the Inspector, or in a handler, or in the msg box).
After editing the fields of your printing stack, you saved and  closed 
it (then it is removed from memory).
At this time, it is possible to set its "formatForPrinting" to true 
(even while it is not open) and then print.
After printing, set again its "formatForPrinting" to false.

I recently tried this procedure, but without success I must say ! So I 
came back to the printing substack solution (hence, without  
"formatForPrinting").
I posted information on the solution I adopted in my last message in 
the thread "Printing fields with images included by ? set the 
imageSource of such char ? (some insights).

Hope that help
Best regards from Grenoble
Andr?




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From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Mon Mar 27 09:05:14 2006
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 06:05:14 -0800
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603262325150.17958-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <20060327140519.32E4D111E2E@spunkymail-a3.dreamhost.com>

> And, I must be missing it, so, I'll ask,
> 
> So, what was wrong exactly with DreamCard???

It was a poorly positioned product.

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd




From see3d at writeme.com  Mon Mar 27 09:32:17 2006
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 09:32:17 -0500
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <C04D8D3E.2E795%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C04D8D3E.2E795%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <B9D30C2E-AD01-45A4-A626-B8FD58408C91@writeme.com>

Having no backdrop in the IDE gets around 99% of my objections.   
Being an inventive user, I use DC as a tool for my own use --not to  
deliver products.  I run all my creations in the IDE so I can change  
them on the fly whenever I get a new idea.  The inventive user, is  
the market that DC was a good match for.  Studio is priced too high  
for that.  DC was fine.  Media would also be fine if it can serve  
that market also.

Dennis

On Mar 27, 2006, at 6:38 AM, Kevin Miller wrote:

> On 27/3/06 00:53, "Timothy Miller"  
> <gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com> wrote:
>
>> I can't endorse that statement. I've tried using my dreamcard stacks
>> with the backdrop turned on, to get a sense of what it might be like
>> to use Media. A mandatory backdrop seems unnecessary and user hostile
>> to me.
>
> Please wait for Media before passing judgment on it.  A more finely  
> detailed
> breakdown of exactly what is in Media and what isn't in it will appear
> around about shipping time.  The backdrop is in the player (not the  
> IDE) and
> is appropriate for delivering Media type applications - e.g. a  
> kiosk or
> presentation.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Kevin
>
> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
> Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools
>
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From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Mon Mar 27 09:51:36 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:51:36 +0100
Subject: Terrible RunRev Bug? - Was Weirdness Passing Messages
In-Reply-To: <4967928D-4365-4067-BEC4-A1DA59FF4357@runrev.com>
References: <10558498.1143073871474.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>
	<442278BD.8050002@chipp.com>
	<55F7D6CF-3DD4-4F07-BA3E-BDBB8D5078D5@dsl.pipex.com>
	<4967928D-4365-4067-BEC4-A1DA59FF4357@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <A35704E3-869B-41DE-A6B9-4848E3AE4BFB@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,


On 27 Mar 2006, at 14:03, Mark Waddingham wrote:
> Try ensuring that the 'sharedText' property of your target fields  
> are set to true.
>
> If the sharedText is false, the field stores and retrieves its data  
> from a card-local store, rather than its private store. Since  
> 'sending' a message only changes the default stack and not the  
> current card of that stack, the active card store will be the card  
> you aren't expecting.
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Mark.

I tried this in a Test Stack and setting the sharedText property does  
indeed make it work. However I am a bit confused as to what the  
sharedText property actually does. In my test script (which I can  
send to you if you like), I have a field that is not in a group. From  
reading about the property in the 2.6.6 dictionary it seems to  
suggest if it is set true that changing the text means that it  
changes in all cards that have the field defined. I can understand  
this if the group is a background group (and would be what I wanted  
anyway), but not if the field is not in a group or if it's in a non- 
background group.

Also I have just changed a load of occurrences of:

put <something>  into me

or

set the text of me to <something>

to read:

set the text of the long id of me to <something>

and was planning on using the later syntax from now on. However the  
former syntax is way more readable but I really don't want to have to  
go through all this again, so what would you recommend?

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave

-----------------
 From the Dictionary:

sharedText property  (field)

Platform support:
Introduced in version 1.0

Specifies whether a grouped field's text is the same on all cards  
with that group.

set the sharedText of field to {true | false}

set the sharedText of field "Section Marker" to true

See also: dontSearch property, sharedHilite property, How do I  
display the same text on multiple cards?

Description
Use the sharedText property to create labels or other fields with  
static text (the same on all cards where the field appears).

Value:
The sharedText of a field is true or false.

By default, the sharedText property of newly created fields is set to  
false.

Comments:
If a field's sharedText property is set to true, the content of that  
field is the same on all cards where the field appears. Changing the  
text on one card changes it on all the cards.

If the field's sharedText is false, it can have different text on  
each card where it appears, and changing the field's text changes it  
only on the current card.

If the field is a card field (not part of a group), its sharedText  
property has no effect.


From martinblackman at gmail.com  Mon Mar 27 09:48:43 2006
From: martinblackman at gmail.com (Martin Blackman)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:48:43 +0800
Subject: When closed,
	does a substack whose destroyStack is true remains in memory ?
In-Reply-To: <19EFC59B-BD9A-11DA-A51D-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>
References: <79d1bee70603270409g4ad06c3cibecd997c715c2ad3@mail.gmail.com>
	<19EFC59B-BD9A-11DA-A51D-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <79d1bee70603270648l50ccac2cidb627af7382c27fd@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Andre thats what I was suspecting if following the docs to the letter.

It doesn't seem like it should be necessary to save a file to disc
though just to print out !

For the printing which I have done, mostly unstyled text, I haven't
found any difference whether formatforprinting is on or off anyway.

Thanks also for your script on printing fields with images embedded, I
think this may come in handy for me later.

On 27/03/06, Andr?. Bisseret <Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr> wrote:
>
> Le Monday, 27 Mar 2006, ? 14:09 Europe/Paris, Martin Blackman a ?crit :
>
> > The original thrust of this thread still puzzles me a little - how
> > does one satisfy the requirement stated in the docs that a stack be
> > closed and not in memory before setting 'formatforprinting'  to true ?
> >   eg a typical application has a printing substack that gets cloned
> > (thereby opening it) and filled with data before printing.  I can set
> > formatforprinting to true before cloning, but then the text fields
> > will be edited before printing -which is also a no-no according to the
> > docs, if I understand correctly.
> If I don't misunderstand your problem, you want to use
> "formatForPrinting" in the frame of a specific printing stack.
>
> Here is how I understood what is the necessary procedure :
> If you want to use the "formatForPrinting" property (setting it to true
> before printing), your printing stack must be a main stack, not a
> substack of your main stack.
> That's because, when your main stack is open, all its substacks are
> also in memory (even if they are not visible).
> If your printing stack is a main stack then,
> You can set its "destroyStack" property to true ("purge stack on close"
> in the Inspector, or in a handler, or in the msg box).
> After editing the fields of your printing stack, you saved and  closed
> it (then it is removed from memory).
> At this time, it is possible to set its "formatForPrinting" to true
> (even while it is not open) and then print.
> After printing, set again its "formatForPrinting" to false.
>
> I recently tried this procedure, but without success I must say ! So I
> came back to the printing substack solution (hence, without
> "formatForPrinting").
> I posted information on the solution I adopted in my last message in
> the thread "Printing fields with images included by ? set the
> imageSource of such char ? (some insights).
>
> Hope that help
> Best regards from Grenoble
> Andr?
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Martin Blackman
> > _______________________________________________
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> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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> >
> >
>
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From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Mon Mar 27 09:56:39 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:56:39 +0100
Subject: Target not working???
In-Reply-To: <C04D4612.387E1%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C04D4612.387E1%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <7437744A-6C51-46C5-B2CD-EF5DFE0D7807@dsl.pipex.com>


On 27 Mar 2006, at 14:34, Ken Ray wrote:

> On 3/27/06 4:11 AM, "David Burgun" <dburgun at dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>
>> Is this the correct action? If not, how can I get the stack that
>> issued the "start using" command from within a library?
>
> Just curious, David... for what purpose do you need to know this
> information?

If you have been reading recent posts, you may have noticed that I  
have developed an Inter-Stack Messaging (ISM) stack. Anyway, I am in  
the process of making this more user-friendly so as to be able to  
donate it to revOnline.

The idea is that when a Client Stack does a "start using" I want to  
scan all the scripts in the stack and if there is a handler called  
"ISM_InitializeObject", call it and when doing a "stop using" I want  
to call "ISM_FinializeObject".

In order to do this I need to know the stack that invoked the the  
libraryStack and releaseStack handlers.

All the Best
Dave



From rcozens at pon.net  Mon Mar 27 10:28:32 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 07:28:32 -0800
Subject: Can a constant be global?
In-Reply-To: <288EA885-4541-4FAA-8CB5-DD756532CE63@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <2C198F0B-8890-451F-98BA-794478269200@mac.com>
	<288EA885-4541-4FAA-8CB5-DD756532CE63@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <5994AB50-BDA6-11DA-B67A-0030657E1638@pon.net>


David, Graham, et al:

> As far as I know, constants are only valid in the current script. 
> Globals are really "Global" but then they can't be initialized to a 
> value when they are defined, which is why I assume constants can't be 
> "Global".

There is little to be gained by declaring a constant as global, because 
both globals and constants must be declared in each script that 
references them.

Globals can be initialized:

	global twoPi
	put 2*3.1416 into twoPi

But they can also be changed by any handler at runtime.

> The only way I have found to make constants "Global" is to make and 
> use a Library Stack that becomes a sort of poor man's constant.

Note that this approach generates runtime activity, whereas a true 
constant is a compiler instruction that only comes into play at 
compilation.

What I do is declare all constants in the library:

	constant sdbConstant1= [constantValue]
	...
	...
	constant sdbConstantn= [constantValue]

Then I copy the declarations for those constants referenced in a 
specific script into that script.

	constant sdbConstant6= [constantValue]
	constant sdbConstant51= [constantValue]
	constant sdbConstant187= [constantValue]

Just what Graham is trying to avoid having to do.

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From rcozens at pon.net  Mon Mar 27 10:28:50 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 07:28:50 -0800
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <C04D8D3E.2E795%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C04D8D3E.2E795%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <648816AC-BDA6-11DA-B67A-0030657E1638@pon.net>


Kevin, et al:

> The backdrop is in the player (not the IDE) and
> is appropriate for delivering Media type applications - e.g. a kiosk or
> presentation.
>

I recall reading somewhere that there were problems using a backdrop in 
Windows NT & XP.  Did I dream that, or has the issue been fixed?

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From rcozens at pon.net  Mon Mar 27 10:35:01 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 07:35:01 -0800
Subject: Matching Colors On WinXP
In-Reply-To: <C04C156D.36EB9%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C04C156D.36EB9%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <41739A00-BDA7-11DA-B67A-0030657E1638@pon.net>


Hi Scott,

>> How do I match an existing color?
>
> One way is the mouseColor function.
>
> Another way is any of several 3rd party color pickers available from 
> Rev
> list members, including us ("tm|color" is available in the Media 
> section of
> our site http://www.tactilemedia.com).
>

Thanks, I'll check out mouseColor and tmlcolor.

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)




From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Mon Mar 27 10:40:07 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:40:07 +0100
Subject: Function question
In-Reply-To: <7437744A-6C51-46C5-B2CD-EF5DFE0D7807@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <C04D4612.387E1%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<7437744A-6C51-46C5-B2CD-EF5DFE0D7807@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <2EC21AA8-BE80-46DA-A3C6-9B8993147C08@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi All,

It is possible to call a function at a location?

For instance it is possible to:

send "xxx" to group "yyy"

But can I do the same for functions, as in:

get functionx() of group "yyy"

I tried this and other syntax but I get an execution error.

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave





From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Mon Mar 27 11:04:39 2006
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:04:39 +0200
Subject: Creating Folders and Subfolders
Message-ID: <f5ce5a6123421c333b65ed600b1a1cb2@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Paris,

I may be overstepping the scope of Revolution, but ...

I create folders and sub-folders in a Rev stack. Is there
any way to give these folders specific characteristics,
(size, position, view options, etc) ?

......... I like things to be automatic    .... (Sigh !)

-Francis

"Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"




From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Mon Mar 27 11:06:14 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 17:06:14 +0100
Subject: Creating Folders and Subfolders
In-Reply-To: <f5ce5a6123421c333b65ed600b1a1cb2@wanadoo.fr>
References: <f5ce5a6123421c333b65ed600b1a1cb2@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <26392ACD-F529-4406-99CC-6201843ABA92@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

What platform are you developing for?

If Mac you can invoke an AppleScript to do it.

All the Best
Dave

On 27 Mar 2006, at 17:04, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:

> Hi from Paris,
>
> I may be overstepping the scope of Revolution, but ...
>
> I create folders and sub-folders in a Rev stack. Is there
> any way to give these folders specific characteristics,
> (size, position, view options, etc) ?
>
> ......... I like things to be automatic    .... (Sigh !)
>
> -Francis
>
> "Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"
>
>
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From rjb at robelko.com  Mon Mar 27 11:26:13 2006
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:26:13 +0200
Subject: Removing password/passkey from stack
In-Reply-To: <FEF3390D-ABA8-4A0A-BA74-AD070161DAAB@gmail.com>
References: <FEF3390D-ABA8-4A0A-BA74-AD070161DAAB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a0611040bc04dc23ec5fe@[192.168.1.104]>

>Hi Folk,
>
>i'm having troubles with setting the passkey to disable the password 
>protection from a stack while it is open.
>
>Assume the password is "Gofer". Assume the stack name is "mystack"
>
>I open the stack and from the msg box enter:
>
>set passkey of stack "mystack" to "Gofer"
>set the password of stack "mystack" to empty
>
>From the menu bar, all the File > Save options are dimmed, so I 
>cannot save the stack
>I cannot add a field or button to the stack
>I cannot move the location of a control.
>
>Pray tell, what am I doing wrong?
>
>Burrton Woodruff
>Ripple Software
>
>I'm on Mac OS X 10.4.5
>I'm running Revolution 2.6.1 (Build 152)

It sounds like IDE does not adjust the state after your manual 
changing stack status. What happens if you follow those two commands 
with

save stack "mystack"

It should save it uprotected, so the next time you open it, there is 
no password.

Robert


From rcozens at pon.net  Mon Mar 27 11:30:34 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:30:34 -0800
Subject: Target not working???
In-Reply-To: <7437744A-6C51-46C5-B2CD-EF5DFE0D7807@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <C04D4612.387E1%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<7437744A-6C51-46C5-B2CD-EF5DFE0D7807@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <0426D48B-BDAF-11DA-A993-0030657E1638@pon.net>


Dear Dave,

> The idea is that when a Client Stack does a "start using" I want to 
> scan all the scripts in the stack and if there is a handler called 
> "ISM_InitializeObject", call it and when doing a "stop using" I want 
> to call "ISM_FinializeObject".
>
> In order to do this I need to know the stack that invoked the the 
> libraryStack and releaseStack handlers.
>

Suppose instead of (my supposition):

	start using stack "ISM_Library.rev"
	ISM_InitializeObject -- or is this in the library's libraryStack 
handler?

The Client Stack did:

	start using stack "ISM_Library.rev"
	send "ISM_InitializeOject" to this stack

In ISM_Library--

	on ISM_InitializeObject
		put the long name of the target into callingStack
		...

BTW, I don't know for a fact that the stack is not the target in the 
first instance; but I know for sure it is in the second.

Dave, I'd like to make an observation here without having gotten into 
the details of what you are trying to do:

Some time ago on this list a new RR developer coming from a background 
in C began a discussion about how difficult it was for him to deal with 
the concept of simply placing a message in the message chain

	ISM_InitializeObject

without specific instructions where, or in how many objects, it will 
trigger some action

	send "ISM_InitializeObject" to someControl

The former is truly the essence of XTalk syntax, and much of the power 
available to RR developers can only be invoked by understanding & 
utilizing the message passing hierarchy.

No offense, but unless you feel you totally understand how messages can 
travel & be sent, and where & how handlers can be inserted/removed from 
the message path, you might want to look into the subject further.  I'm 
not saying your approach won't work...just IMF(oolesh)O it leads you on 
a path away from the most efficient use of Transcript.

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)

	



From livfoss at mac.com  Mon Mar 27 11:33:25 2006
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:33:25 +0200
Subject: Avoiding line cut-off in a multipage printout
Message-ID: <70DB0670-AE40-46D1-8B27-795EC869684F@mac.com>

Thanks to Ken Ray and Dave Cragg for pointing out the existence 'the  
pageHeights'. I had missed this. Although somewhat eccentric, i.e.

> Comments:
> The value reported by the pageHeights property is a list of numbers  
> separated by returns. Each number is the height in pixels of a page  
> full of text.
>
> You can use the pageHeights property to print the entire contents  
> of a field by printing the field, setting the field's scroll to the  
> first line of the pageHeights, printing the field again, setting  
> the scroll to the current scroll plus line 2 of the pageHeights,  
> and so on.
>
> The computations used by the pageHeights property assume the  
> field's borderWidth property is set to zero and its margins is set  
> to 6.

it does look like the answer. Thanks to you both. There does at first  
sight seem to be one problem, which is that if the last page isn't  
full of text, then AFAIK scrolling won't work, because the scroll  
will include stuff from the previous page... but as I've been wrong  
about everything else I'm probably wrong about this too. Also I'm not  
sure what the implications of the margins being set to 6 are... nor  
if this works when the formatForPrinting is set (I suppose so,  
otherwise what would be the use of it?). I'll experiment.

> On 3/27/06 12:36 AM, "Graham Samuel" <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:
>
>
>> It gets worse! I see now that the script can't know the exact number
>> of lines that will be printed without clipping on a properly
>> formatted page under Windows! What I can't understand (as with other
>> aspects of printing) is why so few developers seem to care about
>> this. Not everybody reads stuff on the screen: for example teachers,
>> I find, want to carry bits of paper away with them (such as student
>> reports) even if the actual app is a highly interactive screen-based
>> thing.


----------------------------------------
Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France



From rcozens at pon.net  Mon Mar 27 11:36:56 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:36:56 -0800
Subject: Function question
In-Reply-To: <2EC21AA8-BE80-46DA-A3C6-9B8993147C08@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <C04D4612.387E1%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<7437744A-6C51-46C5-B2CD-EF5DFE0D7807@dsl.pipex.com>
	<2EC21AA8-BE80-46DA-A3C6-9B8993147C08@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <E7EC6390-BDAF-11DA-A993-0030657E1638@pon.net>


Hi Dave,

> It is possible to call a function at a location?
>
> For instance it is possible to:
>
> send "xxx" to group "yyy"
>
> But can I do the same for functions, as in:
>
> get functionx() of group "yyy"
>

No...

But you can move the function from the group and place it in a library

or

place the script of the group in the frontScripts or backScripts

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From livfoss at mac.com  Mon Mar 27 11:42:08 2006
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:42:08 +0200
Subject: Can a constant be global?
Message-ID: <E7A02A04-513C-4124-B3B1-A96C32E158A5@mac.com>

Recently, Robert Brenstein <rjb at robelko.com> wrote:
>
> RR's own constants are global because they are part of the language
> so do speak. As such, they are defined in the engine. That makes them
> a different beast than constant defined in your scripts.
>
> Replicating constant behavior at global level has been discussed
> quite a lot in the past, and not only on this list, but... it is a
> lot more complicated than it seems at first glance. So, for now at
> least, there is no way to make a global behave like a constant
> through declaration. It is up to you to designate some globals as
> global constants, like using a different prefix than for global
> variables.

Yup, that's what I've always done in the past: I just thought  
constant declarations might help, but clearly they won't - so I will  
stick to the tried and true method. I don't think Dave Burgun's  
'constant-value function' approach would gain me anything, because of  
the way I want to cluster all the constants together in a script. As  
I said, most of my 'constants' are in fact text strings, and I simply  
run a 'setUpParameters' handler during the initialisation of my app  
which sets them all (and a lot of other stuff besides, like menu names).

Thanks for the replies.

Graham


----------------------------------------
Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France



From iden at idenrosenthal.com  Mon Mar 27 11:45:05 2006
From: iden at idenrosenthal.com (Iden Rosenthal)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:45:05 -0500
Subject: Corrupted Stacks
In-Reply-To: <44277582.60301@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <47369765-2AF5-4C0A-A1BB-38DD4AD8B014@idenrosenthal.com>
	<44277582.60301@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <1094ABCC-7C50-4A61-9A23-24DD0AA09B8B@idenrosenthal.com>

Actually they were made with 2.7 although 2.6.2 is installed on the  
machine I use also. But I definitely made them with 2.7. Thanks for  
the info about purging from memory. I still have no idea why it told  
me the stacks were corrupted. I'm almost positive it used the word  
corrupted. Definitely it said there is a problem opening the stacks  
and I should look for a  backup.

On Mar 27, 2006, at 12:17 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Iden Rosenthal wrote:
>> I just started using Dreamcard (how nice to be back with xtalk  
>> after  all these years) but after I did some work on some stacks I  
>> went back  to work on them again and it told me when I tried to  
>> open a substack  that the stack was corrupted. This was a shocker.
>
> Did it really say "corrupted"? Or did you assume it was corrupted  
> because of a "Do you want to purge, etc." message? If the latter,  
> see below. If it really said "corrupted", did you recently move to  
> version 2.7 from an older version of Dreamcard? There has been a  
> file format change, and if you save stacks in version 2.7, then the  
> older 2.6 can no longer read them. You'll need to open them in 2.7.
>
>> I don't really  trust Dreamcard when I try to save files over the  
>> older versions it  seems to work. But then if I try and open what  
>> I have saved it tell  me there is already something with that name  
>> open and do I want to  Purge or Save or some such nonsense. It  
>> really isn't very intuitive.  Applications should just destroy the  
>> files that you save over the  names of with a different version. I  
>> don't get why Dreamcard seems to  be a nudge about there having  
>> been a previous file that I thought I  had done away with but  
>> somehow I didn't. Fortunately I did have my  work saved elsewhere  
>> in a copy of a stack I had been working on that  was not corrupted  
>> but it wasn't because I tried to make a backup out  of it -- it  
>> was only because I am working on a large series of stacks  that  
>> are all copies of each other basically (differing only in their   
>> info content). I think I would have been quite upset if Dreamcard  
>> had  told me to look for a backup of my work (which it does when a  
>> stack  corrupted message appears) but it doesn't automatically  
>> create  backups and by chance I didn't have one. Is there some way  
>> I can  avoid this in future other than always having two or three  
>> backups  saved?
>
> This message is normal, and all your saves have been successful.  
> Revolution does save stacks like any other app.
>
> But Revolution cannot have two stacks open with the same name. If  
> you already have one of them open, it will ask you what to do with  
> the new one you are trying to open in its place. Should it purge  
> the old one from memory? Cancel trying to open the new one?  
> Generally the best thing is to tell it to purge the old one. The  
> old will be removed from memory and the new one will open.
>
> The reason Rev thinks your old stack is still open is because a  
> stack which is visually closed is not always removed from memory.  
> It remains hidden in the background. It cannot receive messages and  
> acts as though it does not exist, but it lurks there in case it is  
> needed again. That makes re-opening the stack very fast.
>
> You can choose to turn off this behavior in several ways. To make  
> all new stacks remove themselves from memory when you close them,  
> tick off the checkbox in Preferences, in the "Files & Memory" pane,  
> that says "destroystack property is set to true for new stacks."  
> That will cause all newly created stacks to be removed from memory  
> when you physically close them. To change your existing stacks,  
> open the stack's property inspector and check the "purge stack on  
> close" checkbox, which will do the same thing for that particular  
> stack. Or, if you want to handle your stacks on a case-by-case  
> basis, instead of closing the window with the close box, close it  
> from the File menu by choosing "Close and remove from memory."
>
> Any of these methods will cause the stack to really go away when  
> you say so. And when it is really gone, you won't get that message  
> asking what to do when you try to open another same-named stack.
>
> Even if you do see that message occasionally though (and we all  
> do,) it doesn't mean there is anything wrong with any of your  
> stacks. Revolution just wants to know which one it should keep open.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Mon Mar 27 11:45:22 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:45:22 -0800
Subject: Can a constant be global?
In-Reply-To: <288EA885-4541-4FAA-8CB5-DD756532CE63@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <2C198F0B-8890-451F-98BA-794478269200@mac.com>
	<288EA885-4541-4FAA-8CB5-DD756532CE63@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <p0623091ec04dc6cdb43c@[192.168.1.103]>

Who needs "Global Constants" when you have custom props?
OR Getprop/setprop....

sqb

>Hi,
>
>As far as I know, constants are only valid in the current script. 
>Globals are really "Global" but then they can't be initialized to a 
>value when they are defined, which is why I assume constants can't 
>be "Global".
>
>The only way I have found to make constants "Global" is to make and 
>use a Library Stack that becomes a sort of poor man's constant. 
>Here's what I do:
>

-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -


From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Mon Mar 27 11:49:41 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 17:49:41 +0100
Subject: Target not working???
In-Reply-To: <0426D48B-BDAF-11DA-A993-0030657E1638@pon.net>
References: <C04D4612.387E1%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<7437744A-6C51-46C5-B2CD-EF5DFE0D7807@dsl.pipex.com>
	<0426D48B-BDAF-11DA-A993-0030657E1638@pon.net>
Message-ID: <176A7373-AE3E-4B57-A0B5-CF654D658234@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi Rob,

On 27 Mar 2006, at 17:30, Rob Cozens wrote:

>
> Dear Dave,
>
>> The idea is that when a Client Stack does a "start using" I want  
>> to scan all the scripts in the stack and if there is a handler  
>> called "ISM_InitializeObject", call it and when doing a "stop  
>> using" I want to call "ISM_FinializeObject".
>>
>> In order to do this I need to know the stack that invoked the the  
>> libraryStack and releaseStack handlers.
>>
>
> Suppose instead of (my supposition):
>
> 	start using stack "ISM_Library.rev"
> 	ISM_InitializeObject -- or is this in the library's libraryStack  
> handler?
>
> The Client Stack did:
>
> 	start using stack "ISM_Library.rev"
> 	send "ISM_InitializeOject" to this stack
>
> In ISM_Library--
>
> 	on ISM_InitializeObject
> 		put the long name of the target into callingStack

The ISM_InitializeObject handler will be in the Client Stack, but not  
just in the Stack Script, in *any* or *all* object(s) in the stack,  
e.g. in the Stack, Card(s), Group(s) or Control(s). I want to loop  
thru all objects in the stack and if there is an ISM_InitializeObject  
handler defined in the script of the object, call it. The same for  
ISM_Finialize.

I had just about settled on doing this (Mark Smith came up with this  
and I think it's just wonderful!):

in a client stack, for example

on openStack
   put the long name of me into myName
   send "libStackregister myName" to stack "/Users/Dave/Desktop/ 
TestLib/Lib.rev"
   pass openStack
end openStack

on closeStack
   put the long name of me into myName
   send "libStackDeregister myName" to stack "/Users/Dave/Desktop/ 
TestLib/Lib.rev"
   pass closeStack
in the libStack

and in the libStack

on libStackRegister tClient
   set the clients of me to the clients of me & cr & tClient
   start using me
end libStackRegister

on libStackDeregister tClient
   put the clients of me into cList
   get lineOffset(tClient,cList)
   if it > 0 then delete line it of cList
   set the clients of me to cList
   if the clients of me is empty then stop using me
end libStackDregister

Which does what I want nicely!
>
> Dave, I'd like to make an observation here without having gotten  
> into the details of what you are trying to do:
>
> Some time ago on this list a new RR developer coming from a  
> background in C began a discussion about how difficult it was for  
> him to deal with the concept of simply placing a message in the  
> message chain
>
> 	ISM_InitializeObject
>
> without specific instructions where, or in how many objects, it  
> will trigger some action
>
> 	send "ISM_InitializeObject" to someControl
>
> The former is truly the essence of XTalk syntax, and much of the  
> power available to RR developers can only be invoked by  
> understanding & utilizing the message passing hierarchy.
>
> No offense, but unless you feel you totally understand how messages  
> can travel & be sent, and where & how handlers can be inserted/ 
> removed from the message path, you might want to look into the  
> subject further.  I'm not saying your approach won't work...just IMF 
> (oolesh)O it leads you on a path away from the most efficient use  
> of Transcript.

Given the above description of what I am trying to do, I'm not sure I  
understand what you mean!?!?

All I want to do is to call a handler if it exists in a script. I've  
read up on the message path etc. but not sure how it applies in this  
case. Could you elaborate?

Many Thanks
All the Best
Dave









From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 27 11:49:56 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:49:56 -0800
Subject: Can a constant be global?
In-Reply-To: <E7A02A04-513C-4124-B3B1-A96C32E158A5@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C04D57B4.36BD3%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

You could have fields on a card in a lib stack that hold the constant
values, then access them from any stack.  In fact, the 'contantsVals.rev'
stack does not even have to be open.

A lib function could retrieve the value in any handler without having to
declare 'globals'

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 3/27/06 8:42 AM, "Graham Samuel" <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:

> Recently, Robert Brenstein <rjb at robelko.com> wrote:
>> 
>> RR's own constants are global because they are part of the language
>> so do speak. As such, they are defined in the engine. That makes them
>> a different beast than constant defined in your scripts.
>> 
>> Replicating constant behavior at global level has been discussed
>> quite a lot in the past, and not only on this list, but... it is a
>> lot more complicated than it seems at first glance. So, for now at
>> least, there is no way to make a global behave like a constant
>> through declaration. It is up to you to designate some globals as
>> global constants, like using a different prefix than for global
>> variables.
> 
> Yup, that's what I've always done in the past: I just thought
> constant declarations might help, but clearly they won't - so I will
> stick to the tried and true method. I don't think Dave Burgun's
> 'constant-value function' approach would gain me anything, because of
> the way I want to cluster all the constants together in a script. As
> I said, most of my 'constants' are in fact text strings, and I simply
> run a 'setUpParameters' handler during the initialisation of my app
> which sets them all (and a lot of other stuff besides, like menu names).
> 
> Thanks for the replies.
> 
> Graham
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------
> Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France
> 
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From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Mon Mar 27 11:52:45 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 17:52:45 +0100
Subject: Can a constant be global?
In-Reply-To: <C04D57B4.36BD3%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C04D57B4.36BD3%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <558245F5-66AD-4357-9598-88526F159740@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi Jim,

I used to use this method, but found that it was too easy to  
overwrite the values. At least with the LibConstant approach they are  
*really* constant.

All the Best
Dave


On 27 Mar 2006, at 17:49, Jim Ault wrote:

> You could have fields on a card in a lib stack that hold the constant
> values, then access them from any stack.  In fact, the  
> 'contantsVals.rev'
> stack does not even have to be open.
>
> A lib function could retrieve the value in any handler without  
> having to
> declare 'globals'
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
>
> On 3/27/06 8:42 AM, "Graham Samuel" <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:
>
>> Recently, Robert Brenstein <rjb at robelko.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> RR's own constants are global because they are part of the language
>>> so do speak. As such, they are defined in the engine. That makes  
>>> them
>>> a different beast than constant defined in your scripts.
>>>
>>> Replicating constant behavior at global level has been discussed
>>> quite a lot in the past, and not only on this list, but... it is a
>>> lot more complicated than it seems at first glance. So, for now at
>>> least, there is no way to make a global behave like a constant
>>> through declaration. It is up to you to designate some globals as
>>> global constants, like using a different prefix than for global
>>> variables.
>>
>> Yup, that's what I've always done in the past: I just thought
>> constant declarations might help, but clearly they won't - so I will
>> stick to the tried and true method. I don't think Dave Burgun's
>> 'constant-value function' approach would gain me anything, because of
>> the way I want to cluster all the constants together in a script. As
>> I said, most of my 'constants' are in fact text strings, and I simply
>> run a 'setUpParameters' handler during the initialisation of my app
>> which sets them all (and a lot of other stuff besides, like menu  
>> names).
>>
>> Thanks for the replies.
>>
>> Graham
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------
>> Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France
>>
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From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Mon Mar 27 11:59:20 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:59:20 -0800
Subject: Setting up a team...
In-Reply-To: <001901c65170$6e46f990$1400a8c0@ACERLaptop>
References: <44247376.8020207@comcast.net>
	<001901c65170$6e46f990$1400a8c0@ACERLaptop>
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Andy....

Nope,it's in beautiful Monterey, California. Where I happen to be lucky
enough to live.

http://www.revconwest.com



On 3/26/06, Andy Calloway <a.calloway at callowaygreen.com> wrote:
>
> Excellent idea... Except isn't it in Canada somewhere?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> > [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of
> > Phil Davis
> > Sent: 24 March 2006 22:32
> > To: How to use Revolution
> > Subject: Re: Setting up a team...
> >
> > Hi Andy,
> >
> > Why don't you come to RevCon in June? There you'll be able to
> > meet a ton of people of the type you're looking for!
> >
> > Phil Davis
> >
> >
>
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From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Mon Mar 27 12:05:46 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 09:05:46 -0800
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <AB81A819-90D4-4F6D-ACCF-BEA992518DE4@writeme.com>
References: <1068717815-246791109@lindbergh.macserve.net>
	<p06200703c04cd6466f57@10.0.1.201>
	<70ed6b130603261643l38ff4128n9569a5b3eee0716a@mail.gmail.com>
	<AB81A819-90D4-4F6D-ACCF-BEA992518DE4@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603270905p3da6ad94p116687b375fdaf90@mail.gmail.com>

Dennis.....

Great point. I suspect the preference you point out for mouse vs. keyboard
as primary interaction mechanism explains a lot of stuff.



On 3/26/06, Dennis Brown <see3d at writeme.com> wrote:
>
> Dan,
>
> You being a writer, most likely never have your fingers far from the
> keyboard.  It makes sense to me that you would operate in that way.
>
> However, I being a very image oriented person, never have my fingers
> far from the mouse, and dislike having to go to the keyboard for
> anything I can point and click.  I rarely use cmd-key alternatives
> except for the occasional qspazxcv --which are the basic common set
> for all apps.
> So count me in with Dr. Miller on this one.
>
> Dennis
>
>
>

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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 27 12:10:19 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 09:10:19 -0800
Subject: Function question
In-Reply-To: <2EC21AA8-BE80-46DA-A3C6-9B8993147C08@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <C04D5C7B.36BDB%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Basically you could do

put backscripts()  --educational purposes only

insert the script of group "yyy" into back
get function() 

---optionally then
remove the script of group "yyy" from back

Same for the 'front'
Caution when using front for mouse and keyboard events.  Even the 'answer'
dialog will fall behind a front script, thus always include a 'pass' line
unless you really want to intercept.

You might find the 'back' a better location.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 3/27/06 7:40 AM, "David Burgun" <dburgun at dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> It is possible to call a function at a location?
> 
> For instance it is possible to:
> 
> send "xxx" to group "yyy"
> 
> But can I do the same for functions, as in:
> 
> get functionx() of group "yyy"
> 
> I tried this and other syntax but I get an execution error.
> 
> Thanks a lot
> All the Best
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Mar 27 12:11:08 2006
From: bobs at twft.com (Robert Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 09:11:08 -0800
Subject: Subject: Re: On KeyDown Bug
Message-ID: <BF7E5D22-6C27-49FC-9DA1-88F339A575B6@twft.com>

I think you missed the point. I DO want the case statement to  
progress without breaks because I want the variable theModifier to be  
ALL of the modifier keys that are being pressed on keyDown. As I  
understand it, case statements without breaks will do that. And it  
still doesn't explain how I can end up with a Ctrl in theModifier  
when only the shift key was being held down.

If anyone would please feel free to paste my snippet (previously  
posted) into a stack and observe what happens, I'd be curious if it  
were just me. I am after all going through a KVM switch and a USB hub.

Bob

> WAIT. don't send a bug report yet...how is it working at all?
>
> don't forget the BREAK statement in your SWITCH structure...
>
> on keyDown theKey
>    local theModifier
>    put "" into theModifier
>    switch
>    case the optionKey is down
>      put "Opt " after theModifier
>      break -- <----------
>    case the CommandKey is down
>      put "Cmd " after theModifier
>      break -- <----------
>    case the shiftKey is down
>      put "Shft " after theModifier
>      break -- <----------
>    case the controlKey is down
>      put "Ctrl " after theModifier
>      break -- <----------
>    end switch
>    put char 1 to -1 of theModifier into theModifier
>    replace " " with "-" in theModifier
>    put theModifier && theKey
>    pass keyDown
> end keyDown
>
> Bob Sneidar
> IT Manager
> Logos Management
> Calvary Chapel CM
>


From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Mon Mar 27 12:21:13 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:21:13 +0100
Subject: Target not working???
In-Reply-To: <0426D48B-BDAF-11DA-A993-0030657E1638@pon.net>
References: <C04D4612.387E1%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<7437744A-6C51-46C5-B2CD-EF5DFE0D7807@dsl.pipex.com>
	<0426D48B-BDAF-11DA-A993-0030657E1638@pon.net>
Message-ID: <8E94910B-EF2E-4315-ACE7-60DF0F95EA87@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi Rob,

On 27 Mar 2006, at 17:30, Rob Cozens wrote:

>
> Dear Dave,
>
>> The idea is that when a Client Stack does a "start using" I want  
>> to scan all the scripts in the stack and if there is a handler  
>> called "ISM_InitializeObject", call it and when doing a "stop  
>> using" I want to call "ISM_FinializeObject".
>>
>> In order to do this I need to know the stack that invoked the the  
>> libraryStack and releaseStack handlers.
>>
>
> Suppose instead of (my supposition):
>
> 	start using stack "ISM_Library.rev"
> 	ISM_InitializeObject -- or is this in the library's libraryStack  
> handler?
>
> The Client Stack did:
>
> 	start using stack "ISM_Library.rev"
> 	send "ISM_InitializeOject" to this stack
>
> In ISM_Library--
>
> 	on ISM_InitializeObject
> 		put the long name of the target into callingStack

The ISM_InitializeObject handler will be in the Client Stack, but not  
just in the Stack Script, in *any* or *all* object(s) in the stack,  
e.g. in the Stack, Card(s), Group(s) or Control(s). I want to loop  
thru all objects in the stack and if there is an ISM_InitializeObject  
handler defined in the script of the object, call it. The same for  
ISM_Finialize.

I had just about settled on doing this (Mark Smith came up with this  
and I think it's just wonderful!):

in a client stack, for example

on openStack
   put the long name of me into myName
   send "libStackregister myName" to stack "/Users/Dave/Desktop/ 
TestLib/Lib.rev"
   pass openStack
end openStack

on closeStack
   put the long name of me into myName
   send "libStackDeregister myName" to stack "/Users/Dave/Desktop/ 
TestLib/Lib.rev"
   pass closeStack
in the libStack

and in the libStack

on libStackRegister tClient
   set the clients of me to the clients of me & cr & tClient
   start using me
end libStackRegister

on libStackDeregister tClient
   put the clients of me into cList
   get lineOffset(tClient,cList)
   if it > 0 then delete line it of cList
   set the clients of me to cList
   if the clients of me is empty then stop using me
end libStackDregister

Which does what I want nicely!
>
> Dave, I'd like to make an observation here without having gotten  
> into the details of what you are trying to do:
>
> Some time ago on this list a new RR developer coming from a  
> background in C began a discussion about how difficult it was for  
> him to deal with the concept of simply placing a message in the  
> message chain
>
> 	ISM_InitializeObject
>
> without specific instructions where, or in how many objects, it  
> will trigger some action
>
> 	send "ISM_InitializeObject" to someControl
>
> The former is truly the essence of XTalk syntax, and much of the  
> power available to RR developers can only be invoked by  
> understanding & utilizing the message passing hierarchy.
>
> No offense, but unless you feel you totally understand how messages  
> can travel & be sent, and where & how handlers can be inserted/ 
> removed from the message path, you might want to look into the  
> subject further.  I'm not saying your approach won't work...just IMF 
> (oolesh)O it leads you on a path away from the most efficient use  
> of Transcript.

Given the above description of what I am trying to do, I'm not sure I  
understand what you mean!?!?

All I want to do is to call a handler if it exists in a script. I've  
read up on the message path etc. but not sure how it applies in this  
case. Could you elaborate?

Many Thanks
All the Best
Dave









From wouter.abraham at scarlet.be  Mon Mar 27 12:21:57 2006
From: wouter.abraham at scarlet.be (Wouter)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:21:57 +0200
Subject: Removing password/passkey from stack
In-Reply-To: <a0611040bc04dc23ec5fe@[192.168.1.104]>
References: <FEF3390D-ABA8-4A0A-BA74-AD070161DAAB@gmail.com>
	<a0611040bc04dc23ec5fe@[192.168.1.104]>
Message-ID: <516EF0E4-211B-42E5-AEED-F1027465A8C4@scarlet.be>

On 27 Mar 2006, at 18:26, Robert Brenstein wrote:

-snip-

>> From the menu bar, all the File > Save options are dimmed, so I  
>> cannot save the stack
>> I cannot add a field or button to the stack
>> I cannot move the location of a control.

Did you check the cantmodify of stack "myStack"?
I should be false
Did you toplevel stack "myStack"?
Some styles prevent editing.

>> Pray tell, what am I doing wrong?
>>
>> Burrton Woodruff
>> Ripple Software

-snip-

> Robert


Greetings,
Wouter


From danrod at mac.com  Mon Mar 27 12:29:36 2006
From: danrod at mac.com (Daniel Rodrigue)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:29:36 -0500
Subject: Helvetica Font problem?
Message-ID: <EAE20106-C1AF-4F6F-9BFE-2EECF1C56F22@mac.com>

Hi everyone,

I'm having display problem with "Helvetica" font when the size is  
over 11pt. making any text totally unreadable!

Example:

"textFont" is looking like this: "vgzHqpv"

I did change "Helvetica" font a couple of time. If I disable the font  
the display is OK.

If I copy, let say "Documentation" info and I paste it in "TextEdit"  
document everything appear fine!
(I can't even do a copy and paste here because the paste will look OK!)

So I'm wondering if anyone have the same problem. (Rev 2.7 and 2.7.1)
(and if anybody have a solution...)

Thanks,

Dan

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From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Mar 27 12:30:08 2006
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:30:08 +0100
Subject: Subject: Re: On KeyDown Bug
In-Reply-To: <BF7E5D22-6C27-49FC-9DA1-88F339A575B6@twft.com>
References: <BF7E5D22-6C27-49FC-9DA1-88F339A575B6@twft.com>
Message-ID: <44282120.5000304@tweedly.net>

Robert Sneidar wrote:

> I think you missed the point. I DO want the case statement to  
> progress without breaks because I want the variable theModifier to be  
> ALL of the modifier keys that are being pressed on keyDown. As I  
> understand it, case statements without breaks will do that. 

No, they won't. Without a break statement, the following code *will be 
executed* - i.e. *without* testing the subsequent condition.

e.g.

> put 1 into v
> switch
>    case v=1
>       put 1 after k
>    case v=2
>       put 2 after k
> end switch
> put k

will output "12". The first condition is tested, and it passes that test 
- so the "1" is put into K. Then the code falls through (without testing 
whether or not "v=2" and the second code fragment is executed - so the 
"2" is put after K

> And it  still doesn't explain how I can end up with a Ctrl in 
> theModifier  when only the shift key was being held down.
>
Yes it does :-)

> If anyone would please feel free to paste my snippet (previously  
> posted) into a stack and observe what happens, I'd be curious if it  
> were just me. I am after all going through a KVM switch and a USB hub.
>
I no longer have your snippet of code - but if I correctly understand 
what you want, you could do something like

   if the optionKey is down then
     put "Opt " after theModifier
   end if
   if  the CommandKey is down then
     put "Cmd " after theModifier
   end if
   if the shiftKey is down then
     put "Shft " after theModifier
   end if
   if  the controlKey is down then
     put "Ctrl " after theModifier
   end if

etc.

If you want to test each condition, it's easier to use 'if's than a 
'switch'.

-- 
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Mar 27 12:35:12 2006
From: bobs at twft.com (Robert Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 09:35:12 -0800
Subject: Delete variable command
In-Reply-To: <20060327112053.28F70825CD8@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060327112053.28F70825CD8@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <8DCE61A2-AA8D-4A24-AE41-7BBB06E135A4@twft.com>


Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM

On Mar 27, 2006, at 3:20 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:
Actually, that will work. I will end up using that. I was just  
thinking that the delete variable command could be modified to do  
nothing if a variable didn't exist.

> Alex-
>
> Sunday, March 26, 2006, 12:27:07 PM, you wrote:
>
>> Or you can do
>>   put empty into myVar
>>   delete variable myVar
>
> Doh! from me as well. Brilliant.
>
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Mon Mar 27 12:35:32 2006
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 09:35:32 -0800
Subject: 15K Limit on posts is a Real Pain!!!???
In-Reply-To: <51D21E6F-FE31-47E9-908D-0D40A5F0B939@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <C04D6264.3702C%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, David Burgun wrote:

> Does anyone else think that the 15K limit  on posts to this list is a
> pain especially in these days of broadband???

Nope.  You shouldn't have to post more than 15K to communicate a problem or
ask for assistance.  If so, you post a sample stack somewhere and allow
folks to download it *if they want to*.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From livfoss at mac.com  Mon Mar 27 12:38:53 2006
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:38:53 +0200
Subject: Avoiding line cut-off in a multipage printout
Message-ID: <73AD638A-651F-4D29-AFBE-BA4B011A6743@mac.com>

Well, so far my experiments have been somewhat unsatisfactory. My  
surmise that you can't scroll beyond the bottom of the last page was  
correct: if say 60 lines fit on the first page and you have a total  
of 80 lines, scrolling the pixel equivalent of 60 lines won't make  
line 61 come to the top of the field: in fact AFAIK line 21 or  
thereabouts will come to the top of the field, so I will have to deal  
with the last page in a different way (for example by deleting all  
the lines except the ones that are meant to be on the last page, and  
printing what remains). The other odd thing that happened is that  
when I scrolled by the amount suggested in the pageHeights, the last  
line of page n was repeated at the top of page n+1. Probably my  
error, but so far I don't see how. A further point is that the RR  
docs (dictionary) suggests you print the field the text is in, but  
actually you can't print a field, only a card: so first you have to  
get the field to be the right size to fill the printable area on the  
page (to which there is no general solution) and then you have to  
print the card.

I'll carry on experimenting. Haven't tried it on the PC yet (with the  
stack opened in FormatForPrinting mode). But it all seems a lot more  
complicated than I had hoped. I'd really like to save a text file and  
get the user to print it using the local text editor, but I don't  
think that's in the spec...

Graham

I wrote:
> Thanks to Ken Ray and Dave Cragg for pointing out the existence  
> 'the pageHeights'. I had missed this. Although somewhat eccentric,  
> i.e.
>
>> Comments:
>> The value reported by the pageHeights property is a list of  
>> numbers separated by returns. Each number is the height in pixels  
>> of a page full of text.
>>
>> You can use the pageHeights property to print the entire contents  
>> of a field by printing the field, setting the field's scroll to  
>> the first line of the pageHeights, printing the field again,  
>> setting the scroll to the current scroll plus line 2 of the  
>> pageHeights, and so on.
>>
>> The computations used by the pageHeights property assume the  
>> field's borderWidth property is set to zero and its margins is set  
>> to 6.
>
> it does look like the answer. Thanks to you both. There does at  
> first sight seem to be one problem, which is that if the last page  
> isn't full of text, then AFAIK scrolling won't work, because the  
> scroll will include stuff from the previous page... but as I've  
> been wrong about everything else I'm probably wrong about this too.  
> Also I'm not sure what the implications of the margins being set to  
> 6 are... nor if this works when the formatForPrinting is set (I  
> suppose so, otherwise what would be the use of it?). I'll experiment.
>
>> On 3/27/06 12:36 AM, "Graham Samuel" <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> It gets worse! I see now that the script can't know the exact number
>>> of lines that will be printed without clipping on a properly
>>> formatted page under Windows! What I can't understand (as with other
>>> aspects of printing) is why so few developers seem to care about
>>> this. Not everybody reads stuff on the screen: for example teachers,
>>> I find, want to carry bits of paper away with them (such as student
>>> reports) even if the actual app is a highly interactive screen-based
>>> thing.


----------------------------------------
Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France



From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Mon Mar 27 12:40:44 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:40:44 +0100
Subject: 15K Limit on posts is a Real Pain!!!???
In-Reply-To: <C04D6264.3702C%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C04D6264.3702C%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <16ACA618-6E68-4985-8062-1EAC608B397F@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

The problem was all the RTF/HTML fluff, so it was possible to have a  
very short mail in terms of "text" but all the other "fluff" made it  
bigger than 15K, and since the server counted the size before  
stripping the fluff, it bounced the message needlessly.

I've found out how convert it to plain text on a per message basis  
now, so no problem!

All the Best
Dave

On 27 Mar 2006, at 18:35, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Recently, David Burgun wrote:
>
>> Does anyone else think that the 15K limit  on posts to this list is a
>> pain especially in these days of broadband???
>
> Nope.  You shouldn't have to post more than 15K to communicate a  
> problem or
> ask for assistance.  If so, you post a sample stack somewhere and  
> allow
> folks to download it *if they want to*.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
> -----
> E: scott at tactilemedia.com
> W: http://www.tactilemedia.com
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Mar 27 12:42:45 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:42:45 -0600
Subject: Can a constant be global?
In-Reply-To: <E7A02A04-513C-4124-B3B1-A96C32E158A5@mac.com>
References: <E7A02A04-513C-4124-B3B1-A96C32E158A5@mac.com>
Message-ID: <44282415.8040304@hyperactivesw.com>

Graham Samuel wrote:

> Yup, that's what I've always done in the past: I just thought  constant 
> declarations might help,

Custom properties can act like global constants.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Mon Mar 27 12:41:39 2006
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:41:39 +0100
Subject: 15K Limit on posts is a Real Pain!!!???
In-Reply-To: <C04D6264.3702C%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C04D6264.3702C%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <A01B003F-DA22-4263-B8FC-F8F97E42AB33@azurevision.co.uk>


On 27 Mar 2006, at 18:35, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Recently, David Burgun wrote:
>
>> Does anyone else think that the 15K limit  on posts to this list is a
>> pain especially in these days of broadband???
>
> Nope.  You shouldn't have to post more than 15K to communicate a  
> problem or
> ask for assistance.  If so, you post a sample stack somewhere and  
> allow
> folks to download it *if they want to*.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi

Me neither.
In fact, when I'm on the road and connecting via GPRS I have Mail set  
to flag up any messages that are over 20k before they are downloaded.

Ian


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Mar 27 12:44:51 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:44:51 -0600
Subject: Corrupted Stacks
In-Reply-To: <1094ABCC-7C50-4A61-9A23-24DD0AA09B8B@idenrosenthal.com>
References: <47369765-2AF5-4C0A-A1BB-38DD4AD8B014@idenrosenthal.com>
	<44277582.60301@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1094ABCC-7C50-4A61-9A23-24DD0AA09B8B@idenrosenthal.com>
Message-ID: <44282493.5020702@hyperactivesw.com>

Iden Rosenthal wrote:
 > Actually they were made with 2.7 although 2.6.2 is installed on the
 > machine I use also. But I definitely made them with 2.7. Thanks for  the
 > info about purging from memory. I still have no idea why it told  me the
 > stacks were corrupted. I'm almost positive it used the word  corrupted.
 > Definitely it said there is a problem opening the stacks  and I should
 > look for a  backup.


If you just double-clicked the stack to launch Revolution, it may be 
possible that 2.6 launched instead. That would certainly give you the 
"corrupted" error. If it told you to look for a backup, then yes, you 
did get the "stack is corrupted" message.

Try having 2.7 launched before you double-click at stack and see what 
happens.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Mar 27 12:55:21 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:55:21 -0600
Subject: Function question
In-Reply-To: <2EC21AA8-BE80-46DA-A3C6-9B8993147C08@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <C04D4612.387E1%kray@sonsothunder.com>	<7437744A-6C51-46C5-B2CD-EF5DFE0D7807@dsl.pipex.com>
	<2EC21AA8-BE80-46DA-A3C6-9B8993147C08@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <44282709.4050303@hyperactivesw.com>

David Burgun wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> It is possible to call a function at a location?
> 
> For instance it is possible to:
> 
> send "xxx" to group "yyy"
> 
> But can I do the same for functions, as in:
> 
> get functionx() of group "yyy"

Yes:

   get value("function()",group "yyy")

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Mar 27 12:56:24 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:56:24 -0600
Subject: Standalone Application Icons not working in 2.7
In-Reply-To: <D37F2C83-A0C2-4F1D-9B79-E47253DA7EAB@hindu.org>
References: <D37F2C83-A0C2-4F1D-9B79-E47253DA7EAB@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <44282748.3080204@hyperactivesw.com>

Sivakatirswami wrote:
> I got the IconFactory IconBuilder plug in for photoshop (thanks to  
> Richard's recommendation) and it works great... a dream tool...
> 
> But assigning the output files from IconBuilder to standalones inside  
> the standalone settings does not take effect... choose the Mac file  for 
> OSX and then .ico file for Windows and build the standalones...  the are 
> successfully built, but no icons applied.
> 
> What am I missing?

The Finder needs to be forced into an update of the file display. An 
easy way to do that is to get info on the app, select the icon, hit the 
delete key.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Mar 27 13:05:16 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:05:16 -0800
Subject: Can a constant be global?
In-Reply-To: <2C198F0B-8890-451F-98BA-794478269200@mac.com>
References: <2C198F0B-8890-451F-98BA-794478269200@mac.com>
Message-ID: <452707553.20060327100516@ahsoftware.net>

Graham-

Monday, March 27, 2006, 2:52:30 AM, you wrote:

> However neither the RR documentation nor my experiments seem to
> suggest that there is a way of making constants global (i.e  
> constant). Can this really be true? If so, they have a crushing  
> disadvantage with respect to globals. After all, RR's own constants
> are global. I guess I've missed something.

This is BZ #2401, merged with #1180, and still marked "NEW".

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Mar 27 13:07:54 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:07:54 -0600
Subject: When closed, does a substack whose destroyStack is true remains
 in memory ?
In-Reply-To: <79d1bee70603270648l50ccac2cidb627af7382c27fd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <79d1bee70603270409g4ad06c3cibecd997c715c2ad3@mail.gmail.com>	<19EFC59B-BD9A-11DA-A51D-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>
	<79d1bee70603270648l50ccac2cidb627af7382c27fd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <442829FA.7070600@hyperactivesw.com>

Martin Blackman wrote:
> Thanks Andre thats what I was suspecting if following the docs to the letter.
> 
> It doesn't seem like it should be necessary to save a file to disc
> though just to print out !
> 
> For the printing which I have done, mostly unstyled text, I haven't
> found any difference whether formatforprinting is on or off anyway.

With some fonts, the difference in sizing is so minimal that the output 
appears the same whether formatForPrinting is set or not. But with other 
fonts, there can be a dramatic difference. On Windows machines, it is 
usually a good idea to set formatForPrinting to true.

One way to get around the save-close-open restriction is to make a 
substack that will be used specifically for printing only, set its 
formatForPrinting to true, and save it with the mainstack. From then on, 
when you dump text into the substack's fields, they should use printer 
fonts rather than screen fonts.

Another way to deal with it, if you want to create printing stacks on 
the fly, is to set the formatForPrinting of the templateStack to true. 
Then when you create a new stack for printing, the property will already 
be set and will not require closing and reopening. This is how the Rev 
printing library does it.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Mar 27 13:10:18 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:10:18 -0600
Subject: Target not working???
In-Reply-To: <7437744A-6C51-46C5-B2CD-EF5DFE0D7807@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <C04D4612.387E1%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<7437744A-6C51-46C5-B2CD-EF5DFE0D7807@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <44282A8A.8010205@hyperactivesw.com>

David Burgun wrote:

> The idea is that when a Client Stack does a "start using" I want to  
> scan all the scripts in the stack and if there is a handler called  
> "ISM_InitializeObject", call it and when doing a "stop using" I want  to 
> call "ISM_FinializeObject".

I just knew you had to have a scan in there somewhere. ;)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Mon Mar 27 13:10:55 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:10:55 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603251427g78b1a9fag9fa0acefbe481dcf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20060315180004.23F3082638F@mail.runrev.com>
	<44187281.9030805@fourthworld.com> <441893AA.3070407@chipp.com>
	<31e1938c0603151459s4a8b4f16n24e508ae63758cd8@mail.gmail.com>
	<425B1B3B-FB08-4DA7-B091-588A7D615D2D@easynet.fr>
	<31e1938c0603151552m36f7c710h607cf982ea5200a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<70ed6b130603151705r462ad5fdn9133039773b87824@mail.gmail.com>
	<85D1490E-6A59-4337-BA53-713E12280DA0@hindu.org>
	<70ed6b130603251427g78b1a9fag9fa0acefbe481dcf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603271010p6919542ao38d2a8f874f688fa@mail.gmail.com>

OK, I've thought about this some more and poked at some of the CGIs you've
developed. The place where this "include virtual" approach to Web site
design breaks down for me comes at the point where, as I said in my original
definition, we have "embedded command and function calls" in the underlying
scripting language.

Mind you, I'm not sure this isn't a distinction without a difference, but
that was my intent in my earlier posts. I had, in fact, used SSI with the
"include virtual" command a very long time ago and had shelved it, though I
am no longer clear on the reason why I chose to do so at the time. Perhaps
there are some downsides to using SSI that I'm forgetting. The Apache site's
discussion of SSI includes this caveat: "SSI is a great way to add small
pieces of information, such as the current time. But if a majority of your
page is being generated at the time that it is served, you need to look for
some other solution." Perhaps that or something like it influenced me.

In any case, what is clearly NOT happening with an SSI is the inclusion of
Transcript commands or functions directly in the HTML file from which  the
dynamic page is generated. All of the Transcript code is external to the
page layout/template. The overly simplistic example I provided earlier of
using an embedded call to a built-in Ruby function such as Time.now() is the
key idea here. The call to that function generates NO HTML code, just a
value to be substituted into the HTML page when it's generated by the
server. Using CGI, you can't mix HTML and operational code *in the HTML
template or page*. This means in general that the CGI must generate HTML
blocks to be inserted into the HTML page at generation time on the server.

This means, e.g., that the person writing the CGI must know HTML and the
page design with which the CGI is designed to work. It also means that the
HTML designer must typically be given access to the CGI code or, in the
alternative, the CGI developer must be asked to hack HTML into the CGI
itself. In both cases, we mix presentation and functionality in a way that
is fraught with danger and maintenance issues.

That is where a Web app framework -- like Ruby on Rails, though there are
several others worthy of consideration -- shows its strength. By adopting
the model-view-controller (MVC) design paradigm, RoR creates an effective
split between presentation and logic. The HTML designer works on views. The
developer creates Controllers that look to Models for data they need to send
to the views and for other logic that affects program execution. That
bifurcation is important on non-trivial applications. A Web app framework
that follows the MVC paradigm (or perhaps some other approach that provides
the same division of labor) is preferable to CGI-based solutions which not
only encourage but demand a mixing of the two somewhat incompatible skill
sets.

On 3/25/06, Dan Shafer <revolutionary.dan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sivakatirswami.....
>
> Wow. I gotta go try this as soon as I finish this talk I'm giving
> tomorrow.
>
> And please send me those URLs you mentioned offlist. This could be HUGE
> for me. I had no idea this could be done and I don't know why I didn't have
> any idea this could be done.
>
>
>
> On 3/24/06, Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dan, if your definition of a web app really is:
> >
> > >  a Web *app* consists of a collection of 1 or more
> > > templates -- HTML files with embedded command and function calls --
> > > that
> > > execute in a server-side scripting language interpreter running on the
> > > server. All Web pages with this embedded script code are run
> > > through the
> > > scripting language interpreter on the server, where the command is
> > > carried
> > > out and some content is generated to replace the command call
> > > before the
> > > page is sent to the HTTP server to return to the client.
> >
> > We are *already*  doing this with Rev for several years now (and I'm
> > pretty sure I'm not the only one, I got into this with Andu Novac
> > when this was all metacard years ago... he still around?) and it
> > works great, even without fastCGI...the fact that Rev is called on
> > each hit doesn't seem to be an issue at all.
>
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author
> http://www.shafermedia.com
> Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
> From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html
>



--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author
http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
>From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html


From jspencer78 at mac.com  Mon Mar 27 13:15:04 2006
From: jspencer78 at mac.com (James Spencer)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:15:04 -0600
Subject: Can a constant be global?
In-Reply-To: <44282415.8040304@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <E7A02A04-513C-4124-B3B1-A96C32E158A5@mac.com>
	<44282415.8040304@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <759184F7-284F-49A3-AFCC-46814A26B799@mac.com>


On Mar 27, 2006, at 11:42 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Graham Samuel wrote:
>
>> Yup, that's what I've always done in the past: I just thought   
>> constant declarations might help,
>
> Custom properties can act like global constants.

This may be true but it strikes me as an "expensive" means of  
creating a global constant.  The whole idea of constants in most  
languages is that they can be substituted by the compiler so they are  
a zero runtime cost.  This would not be true for a property which as  
to be extracted from somewhere at run time.

James P. Spencer
Rochester, MN

jspencer78 at mac.com

"Badges??  We don't need no stinkin badges!"



From johnpatten at mac.com  Mon Mar 27 13:21:20 2006
From: johnpatten at mac.com (John Patten)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:21:20 -0800
Subject: FTP and Cross platform issues....
Message-ID: <15316795.1143483680640.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>

Hi Dave...

Here are the answers to your questions:

Is the server on the local network or on the internet? It is on the local network.


Is the "OSX Tiger Server" running OS X Server or just plain OS X? It is running OSX SERVER Tiger (not the desktop OS)

Are you running any other "internet security" software on either the   
client or server machine?  Local WinXP machine is running latest version of McAfee VirusScan Enterprise. Nothing on the server at this time.

Can you get some log data using libUrlSetLogField in the client? This   
might help pin down where the problem is occurring? The info reported: 

socket 10.58.1.7|6927
socket timeout 10.58.1.7:21|6927
220 --------------------------------------


What version of Rev and libUrl are you using? ("put libUrlVersion()"   
in the message box will give you the libUrl version.) 1.1.4


Thanks for any feedback!

John Patten
SUSD



--------------------------------



Message: 13 
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 20:01:47 +0000 
From: Dave Cragg <dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk> 
Subject: Re: FTP and cross platform issues... 
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com> 
Message-ID: <B26322D1-A4EB-4B51-B463-C50CF0C2B1E6 at lacscentre.co.uk> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed 


On 23 Mar 2006, at 00:31, John Patten wrote: 

> Hello All... 
> 
> I searched the archives and could not come up with a solution to an   
> FTP problem I'm having. 
> 
> I have an OSX Tiger Server configured for FTP. Everything works   
> like it supposed to with both Fetch (Mac side) and FTP Commander on   
> the WinXP side. No problem. 
> 
> However, I've been trying to get the WindowsXP box and Rev to   
> upload a simple text file to the server. No success. I have tried   
> Andre FTP utility, a couple others from the member area, my own   
> hacks using the examples in the rev docs, and finally Chip's FTPer   
> utility. None of them would work. The best I could see was that I   
> was getting a time out error. 

I know there has been some discussion about passive/active/firewall   
issues, but I wonder if something else isn't amiss. On my own local   
network, with Win XP firewall on, I can upload to an OS X Tiger ftp   
server without problems. I've had the XP firewall on since the SP2   
release and have had no problems. I just reset the XP firewall   
settings to "restore default settings" and still have no problems,   
using both active and passive. (It seems to have upset my smb   
connection though. :-( ) 

FTP severs will generally handle both passive and active requests,   
unless specifically set otherwise. The problems over passive/active   
generally occur at routers/firewalls between the client and server. 

Some questions: (apologies if they have been answered already) 

Is the server on the local network or on the internet? 

Is the "OSX Tiger Server" running OS X Server or just plain OS X? (I   
think they deploy different FTP servers, in case that's relevant.) In   
my case, it's plain OS X. 

Are you running any other "internet security" software on either the   
client or server machine? 

Can you get some log data using libUrlSetLogField in the client? This   
might help pin down where the problem is occurring? 

What version of Rev and libUrl are you using? ("put libUrlVersion()"   
in the message box will give you the libUrl version.) 

Cheers 
Dave 



From chris at carroll-davis.co.uk  Mon Mar 27 13:25:28 2006
From: chris at carroll-davis.co.uk (Chris Carroll-Davis)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:25:28 +0100
Subject: Weird Idle behavior
Message-ID: <1BAB8BAF-836B-44CE-8F0D-F78703692EE8@carroll-davis.co.uk>

Hello folks -

here's a weird one...  I'm updating a timer on idle:

On idle
   global StartTicks
   if StartTicks = "" then exit idle
   updateTimer
   wait 1 millisecond with messages -- attempt at kludge!
end idle

which just draws an arc graphic to give visual feedback

On updateTimer
   global StartTicks, timeLimit
   If StartTicks = "" then exit UpdateTimer
   put 180+(180/(timeLimit * 60) * (the ticks - StartTicks)) into a
   set the startangle of grc "timer" to a
   if a >= 360 and StartTicks <> "" then
     TimesUp
     exit updateTimer
   end if
end updateTimer


This goes along fine, timing out after the timelimit ... except that  
it doesn't update the display!!    If I call "updateTimer" from a  
repeat loop, it works fine.  Has anyone come across this before?  
Anyone got a workaround!?


Chris

From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Mar 27 13:26:29 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:26:29 -0800
Subject: RAD - Case Study Version 2
In-Reply-To: <432E822C-F2AA-4BBA-B75E-607AA1D6E082@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <9F879CCF-19A7-462A-B425-15CF4AE30502@dsl.pipex.com>
	<44259F1C.4090202@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1896181839.20060326220815@ahsoftware.net>
	<432E822C-F2AA-4BBA-B75E-607AA1D6E082@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <533981014.20060327102629@ahsoftware.net>

David-

Monday, March 27, 2006, 2:01:22 AM, you wrote:

> I looked at your example and the ISM stack I have developed is *VERY*
> similar to your mc2_libDispatcher. The only main difference I can see
> is that I have a secondary Message/Event ID which I call a "Kind".  
> This is to allow you to have more than one copy of the same event.

Obviously I can't paste the whole library in here, but yes, the
approach is very similar. Not sure why you need the "Kind" property.
The tuple of sender-message-observer should uniquely identify and
event, no?

> There is also a difference in the way in which your example actually
> uses the Dispatcher, you do your "Listening" or "Registering" at the
> Stack level, which means you have to change the Stack Script when you
> add a control to the stack:

The two lines of code I listed were the *only* changes anywhere. I
cheated and put them into a "Register" button for testing, but they
could have gone into the openStack handler. Interesting idea, though -
I'll have to take a look at your code again. You're saying that the
objects register themselves? Hmmm. That sounds like it's breaking the
Loosely-Coupled Objects pattern. My main goal was to ensure that
controls don't need to know where their events are coming from. Drag
and drop, then connect the dots.

> This means you are hardcoding control names into the stack. I *could*
> do it this way too, but in order to allow objects to be pasted and  
> duped in a stack and have them just work without changing any other
> scripts, I do the "Register" at the control level.

Got it. You change the script of the object when you paste it in. I
went the other way, allowing the objects to be pasted without any
changes. I think I avoided a lot of the pitfalls you're finding. But
the approach sounds equally valid.

> Other than that the concepts are identical!

Yep. The big difference, I think, is that extracting the event
dispatching into a library means that you can instrument a control to
be an event generator with one line of code and you can likewise
instrument a control to receive events with just a setProp handler.
And then the objects are totally reusable.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From a.calloway at callowaygreen.com  Mon Mar 27 13:40:34 2006
From: a.calloway at callowaygreen.com (Andy Calloway)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:40:34 +0100
Subject: Setting up a team...
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603270859y38f8a0c3x46a1350a73e09bf9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001c651cd$f0201de0$1400a8c0@ACERLaptop>

Blimey, that's much worse!

Not that I don't like California, I'm sure it's fab, but it's the other side
of the world. Maybe I can claim on expenses...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Dan Shafer
> Sent: 27 March 2006 17:59
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Setting up a team...
> 
> Andy....
> 
> Nope,it's in beautiful Monterey, California. Where I happen 
> to be lucky enough to live.
> 
> http://www.revconwest.com
> 
> 



From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Mon Mar 27 13:41:34 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:41:34 -0800
Subject: 15K Limit on posts is a Real Pain!!!???
In-Reply-To: <C04DA98C.2E7CA%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C04DA98C.2E7CA%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <442831DE.1040805@paraboliclogic.com>

Kevin Miller wrote:

[snip]

>> I guess this is partly due to the emailer I am using (Apple Mail)
>> which has an option to send in plain text but it's global and I AFAIK
>> can't be set on a message-by-message basis.
> 
> Fortunately, we will shortly be launching a series of forums.  These will
> give everyone a greater range of control and options.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Kevin

Outstanding!

Thank you Kevin,
-Garrett


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Mar 27 13:44:55 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:44:55 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
Message-ID: <442832A7.2020005@fourthworld.com>

Dan Shafer wrote:

> In any case, what is clearly NOT happening with an SSI is the inclusion of
> Transcript commands or functions directly in the HTML file from which  the
> dynamic page is generated. All of the Transcript code is external to the
> page layout/template. The overly simplistic example I provided earlier of
> using an embedded call to a built-in Ruby function such as Time.now() is the
> key idea here. The call to that function generates NO HTML code, just a
> value to be substituted into the HTML page when it's generated by the
> server. Using CGI, you can't mix HTML and operational code *in the HTML
> template or page*. This means in general that the CGI must generate HTML
> blocks to be inserted into the HTML page at generation time on the server.

Just as Ruby is used to pre-process pages containing statements like 
time.now, you can use Rev as the preprocessor with its merge function to 
do the same thing:

    The time is [[the time]]

The merge function is very powerful, well worth spending some time with 
if you want to use Rev like Ruby or PHP.

The key thing to keep in mind when implementing a system like this is 
that Ruby is just a text processing engine.  The methods by which it's 
hooked into the server are not unique to that engine, and just about any 
capable text processing engine, such as Rev, can be set up to be used in 
the same way.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Mar 27 13:48:20 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:48:20 -0800
Subject: Setting up a team...
Message-ID: <44283374.4030304@fourthworld.com>

Andy Calloway wrote:

 >> Nope,it's in beautiful Monterey, California. Where I happen
 >> to be lucky enough to live.
 >
 > Blimey, that's much worse!
 >
 > Not that I don't like California, I'm sure it's fab, but it's
 > the other side of the world.

Have no fear, only patience:  the Euro RevCon is coming in November to 
the other side of the world, Malta:

<http://www.techietours.com/>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com




From mark at maseurope.net  Mon Mar 27 13:50:51 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:50:51 +0100
Subject: Weird Idle behavior
In-Reply-To: <1BAB8BAF-836B-44CE-8F0D-F78703692EE8@carroll-davis.co.uk>
References: <1BAB8BAF-836B-44CE-8F0D-F78703692EE8@carroll-davis.co.uk>
Message-ID: <8CCF86FC-CD6F-4E34-9644-DB7609D72B0B@maseurope.net>

Not sure if it's the answer, but have you checked out the idleRate  
property in the docs?

Best,

Mark

On 27 Mar 2006, at 19:25, Chris Carroll-Davis wrote:

> Hello folks -
>
> here's a weird one...  I'm updating a timer on idle:
>
> On idle
>   global StartTicks
>   if StartTicks = "" then exit idle
>   updateTimer
>   wait 1 millisecond with messages -- attempt at kludge!
> end idle
>
> which just draws an arc graphic to give visual feedback
>
> On updateTimer
>   global StartTicks, timeLimit
>   If StartTicks = "" then exit UpdateTimer
>   put 180+(180/(timeLimit * 60) * (the ticks - StartTicks)) into a
>   set the startangle of grc "timer" to a
>   if a >= 360 and StartTicks <> "" then
>     TimesUp
>     exit updateTimer
>   end if
> end updateTimer
>
>
> This goes along fine, timing out after the timelimit ... except  
> that it doesn't update the display!!    If I call "updateTimer"  
> from a repeat loop, it works fine.  Has anyone come across this  
> before? Anyone got a workaround!?
>
>
> Chris
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Mar 27 13:57:01 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:57:01 -0800
Subject: Weird Idle behavior
Message-ID: <4428357D.8040701@fourthworld.com>

 From the Transcript Dictionary entry for the idle message:

-----------------------------------------------------------

Note:  Usually, it is easier and more efficient to use the send in time 
form of the send command than to use an idle handler, especially if a 
task needs to be executed at regular intervals. This example shows an 
idle handler that updates a clock timer:

   on idle -- avoid if possible
     global startTime
     if the seconds > startTime + 60 -- 60 seconds have gone by
       put the time into field "Clock Face"
       put the seconds into startTime
     end if
     pass idle
   end idle

The following example does the same thing more efficiently, since it 
only needs to handle a single message every sixty seconds:

   on updateClock -- a better way
     put the time into field "Clock Face"
     send "updateClock" to me in 60 seconds
   end updateClock



--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Mon Mar 27 14:01:16 2006
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:01:16 -0800
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <C04D8D3E.2E795%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C04D8D3E.2E795%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p06200700c04de6da524c@[10.0.1.2]>

>On 27/3/06 00:53, "Timothy Miller" <gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com> wrote:
>
>>  I can't endorse that statement. I've tried using my dreamcard stacks
>>  with the backdrop turned on, to get a sense of what it might be like
>>  to use Media. A mandatory backdrop seems unnecessary and user hostile
>>  to me.
>
>Please wait for Media before passing judgment on it.  A more finely detailed
>breakdown of exactly what is in Media and what isn't in it will appear
>around about shipping time.  The backdrop is in the player (not the IDE) and
>is appropriate for delivering Media type applications - e.g. a kiosk or
>presentation.
>
>Kind regards,
>
>Kevin
>
>Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
>Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools
>

Good news! Thanks, Kevin.

Maybe I shouldn't have presumed.

Tim


From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Mon Mar 27 14:05:44 2006
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:05:44 -0800
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <B9D30C2E-AD01-45A4-A626-B8FD58408C91@writeme.com>
References: <C04D8D3E.2E795%kevin@runrev.com>
	<B9D30C2E-AD01-45A4-A626-B8FD58408C91@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <p06200701c04de722633b@[10.0.1.201]>

Dennis wrote:

>The inventive user, is the market that DC was a good match for. 
>Studio is priced too high for that.  DC was fine.


Seconded!

I think the "inventive user" was the intended audience for Dan's book, also.

I'm starting to get the impression that the "inventive user" market 
is shrinking in general. That troubles me a little, and I wonder why.

I suppose it's possible that the variety of available software and 
web sites is starting to make the "inventive user" position less 
cost-effective that it used to be.

Cheers,

Tim

>Media would also be fine if it can serve that market also.
>
>Dennis
>
>On Mar 27, 2006, at 6:38 AM, Kevin Miller wrote:
>


From sims at ezpzapps.com  Mon Mar 27 14:06:19 2006
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:06:19 +0200
Subject: Setting up a team...
In-Reply-To: <44283374.4030304@fourthworld.com>
References: <44283374.4030304@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <p06200705c04de67dcf77@[10.0.0.59]>

At 10:48 AM -0800 3/27/06, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>Have no fear, only patience:  the Euro RevCon is coming in November 
>to the other side of the world, Malta:

><http://www.techietours.com/>


That is correct brother Richard!

I've been extra busy here...but I'll be announcing more very soon.
I've already had quite a few people tell me they are coming!

And for those who have never been to this part of the world, it makes sense
to add on a few days and take that trip to Rome that you've been dreaming about
for years. Contact me off list for advice on places to stay in Rome - 
Italy (Sicily)
is very, very close to Malta.

We have a fantastic lineup for the EuroRevCon...Scott Rossi is preparing some
incredible magic 'stuff' for this event.

ciao,
sims

European Rev Conference  2006
www.techietours.com


From chris at carroll-davis.co.uk  Mon Mar 27 14:17:16 2006
From: chris at carroll-davis.co.uk (Chris Carroll-Davis)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:17:16 +0100
Subject: Weird Idle behavior
In-Reply-To: <8CCF86FC-CD6F-4E34-9644-DB7609D72B0B@maseurope.net>
References: <1BAB8BAF-836B-44CE-8F0D-F78703692EE8@carroll-davis.co.uk>
	<8CCF86FC-CD6F-4E34-9644-DB7609D72B0B@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <6E3CED06-1EF0-4828-8F57-958A7D136443@carroll-davis.co.uk>

Well, no. Unfortunately.  I had idlerate set to 0 for best update  
speed, but setting back to default of 200 makes no improvement.

:-(

Idle *is* being called.  It's just not updating the display!

C


On 27 Mar 2006, at 19:50, Mark Smith wrote:

> Not sure if it's the answer, but have you checked out the idleRate  
> property in the docs?
>
> Best,
>
> Mark
>
> On 27 Mar 2006, at 19:25, Chris Carroll-Davis wrote:
>
>> Hello folks -
>>
>> here's a weird one...  I'm updating a timer on idle:
>>
>> On idle
>>   global StartTicks
>>   if StartTicks = "" then exit idle
>>   updateTimer
>>   wait 1 millisecond with messages -- attempt at kludge!
>> end idle
>>
>> which just draws an arc graphic to give visual feedback
>>
>> On updateTimer
>>   global StartTicks, timeLimit
>>   If StartTicks = "" then exit UpdateTimer
>>   put 180+(180/(timeLimit * 60) * (the ticks - StartTicks)) into a
>>   set the startangle of grc "timer" to a
>>   if a >= 360 and StartTicks <> "" then
>>     TimesUp
>>     exit updateTimer
>>   end if
>> end updateTimer
>>
>>
>> This goes along fine, timing out after the timelimit ... except  
>> that it doesn't update the display!!    If I call "updateTimer"  
>> from a repeat loop, it works fine.  Has anyone come across this  
>> before? Anyone got a workaround!?
>>
>>
>> Chris
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
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From JimCarwardine at OwnYourFuture-net.com  Mon Mar 27 14:17:19 2006
From: JimCarwardine at OwnYourFuture-net.com (Jim Carwardine)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:17:19 -0400
Subject: Hiding Buttons
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860603250043k5b4d2e40k4fec68658aaabf7f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C04DB27F.B737%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>

Hi Folks...

I have an app that has quite a few buttons on each card that, after the
initial setup of the card data, don't need to be clicked again.  I'd like to
hide the buttons under a cover or in a drawer so they don't clutter up the
card.  I am wondering what structure to use to be consistent in an
x-platform environment.  Do the PC apps have drawers?  Should I make up a
cover graphic like the door over the VCR buttons?  What would meet the
common expectation of both sets of users?  Jim

-- 

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as they go through their day.
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Phone: 902-823-2339. Fax: 902-823-2139






From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Mar 27 14:21:47 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:21:47 -0800
Subject: Hiding Buttons
Message-ID: <44283B4B.4030802@fourthworld.com>

Jim Carwardine wrote:
> I have an app that has quite a few buttons on each card that, after the
> initial setup of the card data, don't need to be clicked again.  I'd like to
> hide the buttons under a cover or in a drawer so they don't clutter up the
> card.  I am wondering what structure to use to be consistent in an
> x-platform environment.  Do the PC apps have drawers?  Should I make up a
> cover graphic like the door over the VCR buttons?  What would meet the
> common expectation of both sets of users? 

Drawers are cool, but are limited to OS X.

Fortunately OS X also recommends disclose triangles and buttons:

<http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/OSXHIGuidelines/XHIGControls/chapter_18_section_7.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP30000359-TPXREF227>

These controls are nearly universal, so you can implement it once and 
satisfy users on all your target platforms.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From JimCarwardine at OwnYourFuture-net.com  Mon Mar 27 14:33:38 2006
From: JimCarwardine at OwnYourFuture-net.com (Jim Carwardine)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:33:38 -0400
Subject: Hiding Buttons
In-Reply-To: <44283B4B.4030802@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C04DB652.B73D%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>

Thanks, Richard... I'm using a floating palette that has a number of
universal buttons.  I could use a disclosure button and drop the bottom of
the palette to reveal the buttons specific to the card data.  How does that
sound?  Jim

on 3/27/06 3:21 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Jim Carwardine wrote:
>> I have an app that has quite a few buttons on each card that, after the
>> initial setup of the card data, don't need to be clicked again.  I'd like to
>> hide the buttons under a cover or in a drawer so they don't clutter up the
>> card.  I am wondering what structure to use to be consistent in an
>> x-platform environment.  Do the PC apps have drawers?  Should I make up a
>> cover graphic like the door over the VCR buttons?  What would meet the
>> common expectation of both sets of users?
> 
> Drawers are cool, but are limited to OS X.
> 
> Fortunately OS X also recommends disclose triangles and buttons:
> 
> <http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/OSXHIGuide
> lines/XHIGControls/chapter_18_section_7.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP30000359-TP
> XREF227>
> 
> These controls are nearly universal, so you can implement it once and
> satisfy users on all your target platforms.
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Managing Editor, revJournal
> _______________________________________________________
> Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com
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Helping people focus and use time effectively and satisfyingly
as they go through their day.
<http://www.OwnYourFuture-net.com>

Own Your Future Consulting Services Limited,
23 Shoal Cove Road, Seabright, Nova Scotia, Canada.  B3Z 3A9
Phone: 902-823-2339. Fax: 902-823-2139






From chris at carroll-davis.co.uk  Mon Mar 27 14:41:50 2006
From: chris at carroll-davis.co.uk (Chris Carroll-Davis)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:41:50 +0100
Subject: Weird Idle behavior
In-Reply-To: <4428357D.8040701@fourthworld.com>
References: <4428357D.8040701@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <3392083F-6A39-4213-A304-CA6F31755C97@carroll-davis.co.uk>

Richard -

Thanks.

Ha!  Yes, I saw that - but I'm an old SC dinosaur so I tend to stick  
with what I know!  I suppose I'll have to make the switch to timed  
messages.

But do you agree that my script *ought* to work?  One of the great  
things about rev is the ability to use a variety of approaches, so  
it's really annoying when you are forced to work in a specific way...

Chris




On 27 Mar 2006, at 19:57, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> From the Transcript Dictionary entry for the idle message:
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
>
> Note:  Usually, it is easier and more efficient to use the send in  
> time form of the send command than to use an idle handler,  
> especially if a task needs to be executed at regular intervals.  
> This example shows an idle handler that updates a clock timer:
>
>   on idle -- avoid if possible
>     global startTime
>     if the seconds > startTime + 60 -- 60 seconds have gone by
>       put the time into field "Clock Face"
>       put the seconds into startTime
>     end if
>     pass idle
>   end idle
>
> The following example does the same thing more efficiently, since  
> it only needs to handle a single message every sixty seconds:
>
>   on updateClock -- a better way
>     put the time into field "Clock Face"
>     send "updateClock" to me in 60 seconds
>   end updateClock
>
>
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal
>  _______________________________________________________
>  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Mar 27 14:54:33 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:54:33 -0800
Subject: Weird Idle behavior
Message-ID: <442842F9.9020107@fourthworld.com>

Chris Carroll-Davis wrote:
> Richard -
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ha!  Yes, I saw that - but I'm an old SC dinosaur so I tend to stick  
> with what I know!  I suppose I'll have to make the switch to timed  
> messages.
> 
> But do you agree that my script *ought* to work?  One of the great  
> things about rev is the ability to use a variety of approaches, so  
> it's really annoying when you are forced to work in a specific way...

At first glance, yes.  Have you verified that your StartTicks global 
contains what you expect it to?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From chris at carroll-davis.co.uk  Mon Mar 27 15:01:40 2006
From: chris at carroll-davis.co.uk (Chris Carroll-Davis)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:01:40 +0100
Subject: Weird Idle behavior
In-Reply-To: <3392083F-6A39-4213-A304-CA6F31755C97@carroll-davis.co.uk>
References: <4428357D.8040701@fourthworld.com>
	<3392083F-6A39-4213-A304-CA6F31755C97@carroll-davis.co.uk>
Message-ID: <87D4E383-0D36-475B-9665-3991C8097225@carroll-davis.co.uk>

Update!

Actually, in this instance, timed messages seem a bit hopeless.  I  
want my timer to be smoothly updated  (i.e. equivalent of 10 fps or  
better) during repeated mouse drag operations.  With the idle  
approach, I could simply call the updateTimer handler from within the  
mousedown loop.  But If try the same thing with the timed message, it  
is sending thousands of "updateTimer in 10 ticks" messages, which  
seems to swamp it.

I guess I'm missing something really obvious. But well, I'm a bit thick!

Chris



On 27 Mar 2006, at 20:41, Chris Carroll-Davis wrote:

> Richard -
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ha!  Yes, I saw that - but I'm an old SC dinosaur so I tend to  
> stick with what I know!  I suppose I'll have to make the switch to  
> timed messages.
>
> But do you agree that my script *ought* to work?  One of the great  
> things about rev is the ability to use a variety of approaches, so  
> it's really annoying when you are forced to work in a specific way...
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
> On 27 Mar 2006, at 19:57, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> From the Transcript Dictionary entry for the idle message:
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Note:  Usually, it is easier and more efficient to use the send in  
>> time form of the send command than to use an idle handler,  
>> especially if a task needs to be executed at regular intervals.  
>> This example shows an idle handler that updates a clock timer:
>>
>>   on idle -- avoid if possible
>>     global startTime
>>     if the seconds > startTime + 60 -- 60 seconds have gone by
>>       put the time into field "Clock Face"
>>       put the seconds into startTime
>>     end if
>>     pass idle
>>   end idle
>>
>> The following example does the same thing more efficiently, since  
>> it only needs to handle a single message every sixty seconds:
>>
>>   on updateClock -- a better way
>>     put the time into field "Clock Face"
>>     send "updateClock" to me in 60 seconds
>>   end updateClock
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>  Richard Gaskin
>>  Managing Editor, revJournal
>>  _______________________________________________________
>>  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
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>
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From chris at carroll-davis.co.uk  Mon Mar 27 15:03:17 2006
From: chris at carroll-davis.co.uk (Chris Carroll-Davis)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:03:17 +0100
Subject: Weird Idle behavior
In-Reply-To: <442842F9.9020107@fourthworld.com>
References: <442842F9.9020107@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <5AAA1FDC-76F7-4FF2-874C-4888844ADC1D@carroll-davis.co.uk>

Yep -

Richard, "idle" *is* being sent.  After 45 seconds, the timer pings  
and that's that.  Rev just refuses to update the graphic on idle!

C


On 27 Mar 2006, at 20:54, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Chris Carroll-Davis wrote:
>> Richard -
>> Thanks.
>> Ha!  Yes, I saw that - but I'm an old SC dinosaur so I tend to  
>> stick  with what I know!  I suppose I'll have to make the switch  
>> to timed  messages.
>> But do you agree that my script *ought* to work?  One of the  
>> great  things about rev is the ability to use a variety of  
>> approaches, so  it's really annoying when you are forced to work  
>> in a specific way...
>
> At first glance, yes.  Have you verified that your StartTicks  
> global contains what you expect it to?
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal
>  _______________________________________________________
>  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
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> subscription preferences:
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From vampiressmyra at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 27 15:06:58 2006
From: vampiressmyra at yahoo.com (myra james)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:06:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: help please
Message-ID: <20060327200658.13805.qmail@web36415.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

hi the code is to big and it says this code has exspired help please?


		
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From burrton at gmail.com  Mon Mar 27 15:09:12 2006
From: burrton at gmail.com (Burrton Woodruff)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:09:12 -0500
Subject: update on passkey/password problem
Message-ID: <90A7DCAE-1A14-4381-BD08-7071223F9900@gmail.com>

Thank you brother & sister Revolution programmers.

I had totally overlooked the "cantmodify" property of the stack

When cant modify was set to false, the "File Save" menu items were back.

One anomaly I've not yet tracked down concerns the Application  
Browser. I'm unclear as to when it updates the lock status of the  
object scripts (it shows a lock rather than the number of lines of  
scripting after the stack is "unlocked").

Here's a handler I'll keep handy to remind me of the details:

on reportPasswordStatus
   put "Stack Name: " & the name of this stack into line 1 of temp
   put "Passkey: " & the passkey of this stack into line 2 of temp
   put "Password: " & the password of this stack into line 3 of temp
   put "cantModify: " & the cantModify of this stack into line 4 of temp
   if the password of this stack is empty then
     put " (empty)" after line 3 of temp
   end if
   if the passkey of this stack is empty then
     put " (empty)" after line 2 of temp
   end if
   put temp into msg
end reportPasswordStatus

Thanks again for solving my problems.

Burt Woodruff
RippleSoft Software

From liamlambert at mac.com  Mon Mar 27 16:08:42 2006
From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:08:42 +0100
Subject: objCalendar_v1.1.2.rev
Message-ID: <46FD767F-B4CC-4E76-BCE2-B128127BB8C5@mac.com>

I am getting a error when clicking next month with Shao Sean's  
calendar object
any ides what I'am doing wrong?
Liam Lambert
liamlambert at mac.com
IRELAND




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Mar 27 16:17:06 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:17:06 -0600
Subject: Weird Idle behavior
In-Reply-To: <1BAB8BAF-836B-44CE-8F0D-F78703692EE8@carroll-davis.co.uk>
References: <1BAB8BAF-836B-44CE-8F0D-F78703692EE8@carroll-davis.co.uk>
Message-ID: <44285652.3060603@hyperactivesw.com>

Chris Carroll-Davis wrote:
> Hello folks -
> 
> here's a weird one...  I'm updating a timer on idle:
> 
> On idle
>   global StartTicks
>   if StartTicks = "" then exit idle
>   updateTimer
>   wait 1 millisecond with messages -- attempt at kludge!
> end idle
> 
> which just draws an arc graphic to give visual feedback
> 
> On updateTimer
>   global StartTicks, timeLimit
>   If StartTicks = "" then exit UpdateTimer
>   put 180+(180/(timeLimit * 60) * (the ticks - StartTicks)) into a
>   set the startangle of grc "timer" to a
>   if a >= 360 and StartTicks <> "" then
>     TimesUp
>     exit updateTimer
>   end if
> end updateTimer
> 
> 
> This goes along fine, timing out after the timelimit ... except that  it 
> doesn't update the display!!    If I call "updateTimer" from a  repeat 
> loop, it works fine.  Has anyone come across this before?  Anyone got a 
> workaround!?

Works okay here, after I set the arcAngle to something other than a circle.

This is really a job for the "send" command though. If you send the 
message only once per second you won't get all that extra stuff in the 
pendingmessages.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 27 16:28:59 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:28:59 -0800
Subject: On KeyDown Bug
In-Reply-To: <3996156F-335A-4B79-962C-A7300A0FAB7F@twft.com>
Message-ID: <C04D991B.36C22%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Hmmm, I guess I am not sure why you would use 'switch' without a
switchExpression (according to the docs).  Seems to me that you are tempting
fate and the switch structure to decipher what you want.
> on keyDown theKey
>    local theModifier
>    put "" into theModifier
>    switch
>    case the optionKey is down
>      put "Opt " after theModifier
>    case the CommandKey is down


You could try
on keyUp theKey
  local theModifier
  put "" into theModifier
  put "Opt Cmd Shft Ctrl" into keyStr
  put (the optionKey is down) && (the CommandKey is down) && \
      (the shiftKey is down)&& (the controlKey is down) into mods
  repeat with x = 1 to the number of words in mods
    if (word x of mods) then put word x of keyStr & "-" after theModifier
  end repeat
  delete last char of theModifier
  put theModifier && theKey
  pass keyUp
end keyUp
--this work, sort of, but not in all cases.  Please read the following:

The keydown message is not the only one you need to consider.
Suggestion: turn on the Message Watcher (in the Development menu)
and note the messages passed with different key presses, especially the
keyUp+optionKeyDown+controlKeyDown+rawKeyDown

Hope this helps.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 3/26/06 7:50 PM, "Robert Sneidar" <bobs at twft.com> wrote:

> Hi Everyone. This may be a bug, I do not know. Observe the following
> snippet in the script of the stack:
> 
> on keyDown theKey
>    local theModifier
>    put "" into theModifier
>    switch
>    case the optionKey is down
>      put "Opt " after theModifier
>    case the CommandKey is down
>      put "Cmd " after theModifier
>    case the shiftKey is down
>      put "Shft " after theModifier
>    case the controlKey is down
>      put "Ctrl " after theModifier
>    end switch
>    put char 1 to -1 of theModifier into theModifier
>    replace " " with "-" in theModifier
>    put theModifier && theKey
>    pass keyDown
> end keyDown
> 
> This SHOULD put the modifier keys and the key typed in the result of
> the message box. It works when I just type letters. BUT when I use a
> modifier that is NOT the shift key, I get NOTHING. IF I use the Shift
> key I get "Shft-Crtl " followed by the letter typed, even though the
> Control key is NOT down!
> 
> Well this cannot be right! What is really needed is a new argument in
> the keyDown and keyUp handlers for the modifier keys. I should be
> able to write the handler this way:
> 
> on keyDown theKey, theModifiers
> if "Shift" is in theModifiers then
>    -- some stuff here
> end if
> pass keyDown
> end keyDown
> 
> I guess this is a bug report AND a feature request.
> 
> Bob Sneidar
> IT Manager
> Logos Management
> Calvary Chapel CM




From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Mar 27 16:33:38 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 07:33:38 +1000
Subject: Standalone Application Icons not working in 2.7
In-Reply-To: <4427BBF8.6030803@chipp.com>
References: <D37F2C83-A0C2-4F1D-9B79-E47253DA7EAB@hindu.org>
	<4427BBF8.6030803@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603271333y61cf2739m95514f5865049d95@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/27/06, Chipp Walters <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:
> Sivaktirswami,
>
> If you're on a Mac, then zip and unzip them and you'll see the icon
> 'take effect'.
>

And if you have the WIndows app on your Mac, you won;t see the icon at
all. Transfer it to a PC and the icon will appear.

Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Mar 27 16:39:31 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 07:39:31 +1000
Subject: 15K Limit on posts is a Real Pain!!!???
In-Reply-To: <79993F61-0B52-4631-ADFF-62B5FADDE30C@adelphia.net>
References: <C04D8BD0.2E794%kevin@runrev.com>
	<51D21E6F-FE31-47E9-908D-0D40A5F0B939@dsl.pipex.com>
	<64a8571d23a923fe57c4c11947df191c@mac.com>
	<C84662A3-8248-4623-AAEB-3770034C5D4A@dsl.pipex.com>
	<79993F61-0B52-4631-ADFF-62B5FADDE30C@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603271339y2fab1870wdddb7c5a9aeb6b4f@mail.gmail.com>

> Select a message and hit reply. THEN go to the view menu and
> customize toolbar - there you will see the rich text/plain text. It
> is not available from the main window but rather only when you open a
> new or reply window for email.
>

In Mail's Preferences -> Composing, you can set "Responding: use the
same message format as the original" so that replying to plain text
emails will always be plain text without you having to remember.

HTH,
Sarah


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Mar 27 16:41:15 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:41:15 -0800
Subject: Target not working???
In-Reply-To: <8E94910B-EF2E-4315-ACE7-60DF0F95EA87@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <C04D4612.387E1%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<7437744A-6C51-46C5-B2CD-EF5DFE0D7807@dsl.pipex.com>
	<0426D48B-BDAF-11DA-A993-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<8E94910B-EF2E-4315-ACE7-60DF0F95EA87@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <11615667939.20060327134115@ahsoftware.net>

David-

Monday, March 27, 2006, 9:21:13 AM, you wrote:

> All I want to do is to call a handler if it exists in a script. I've
> read up on the message path etc. but not sure how it applies in this
> case. Could you elaborate?

OK. Now I see what you're trying to do here. But I still see two
problems with this:

One, I don't see a way to differentiate messages coming from multiple
sources. If object A responds to B events, then how do you limit it to
responding only to B event messages from object C? What if object D
also generates B events?

Two, I still think you're fighting the "natural" object hierarchy. Why
not have the stack initialize its own objects when it starts up
instead of forcing it from the parent stack? Or more correctly, why
not have the library stack tell each of its controls to initialize
themselves, i.e.,

-- in the library stack
-- untested code
on openStack
  local x

  repeat with x=1 to the number of controls of this stack
    try
      send "ISM_InitializeObject" to control x
    end try
  end repeat
end openStack

on closeStack
  --unregister all objects
end closeStack

Or, if you use setProp handlers instead, you can just say

on openStack
  local x

  repeat with x=1 to the number of controls of this stack
    set the ISM_InitializeObject of control x to empty
  end repeat
end openStack

then you don't have to worry about whether or not the control supports
the ISM_InitializeObject handler - you'll just set a harmless custom
property if it doesn't.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Mar 27 16:46:30 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 07:46:30 +1000
Subject: [OT] Platform-specific web page
Message-ID: <f99b52860603271346h6f4516f8p631d925c635e951d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Does anyone have the relevant HTML/PHP/Javascript to determine the OS
of a web page visitor and display the relevant screen shot. I want to
have a web page that shows one of my Rev apps, but I would like it to
show the correct screen shot (Windows or Mac) depending on the system
that has requested the page.

I'm sure there is a way to do this and PHP is next on my list of
things to learn :-) but I was hoping somebody would have done it
already and could point me in the right direction.

Thanks,
Sarah


From soapdog at mac.com  Mon Mar 27 16:55:21 2006
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:55:21 -0300
Subject: [OT] Platform-specific web page
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860603271346h6f4516f8p631d925c635e951d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860603271346h6f4516f8p631d925c635e951d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <292BB42F-6D23-42AD-A9F0-2D7EB2F4B410@mac.com>

Sarah,

can you check the User-agent header of the HTTP request. It shows  
info like this:

my Firefox sends:

Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.8.0.1)  
Gecko/20060111 Firefox/1.5.0.1

my Safari sends:

Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/417.9  
(KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/417.9.2

So I guess you can check for "Macintosh" in there... :-)

Cheers
andre


On Mar 27, 2006, at 6:46 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Does anyone have the relevant HTML/PHP/Javascript to determine the OS
> of a web page visitor and display the relevant screen shot. I want to
> have a web page that shows one of my Rev apps, but I would like it to
> show the correct screen shot (Windows or Mac) depending on the system
> that has requested the page.
>
> I'm sure there is a way to do this and PHP is next on my list of
> things to learn :-) but I was hoping somebody would have done it
> already and could point me in the right direction.
>
> Thanks,
> Sarah
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From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Mon Mar 27 16:56:48 2006
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:56:48 +0100
Subject: Avoiding line cut-off in a multipage printout
In-Reply-To: <73AD638A-651F-4D29-AFBE-BA4B011A6743@mac.com>
References: <73AD638A-651F-4D29-AFBE-BA4B011A6743@mac.com>
Message-ID: <31FFFA70-F8CC-4023-BC77-F6B48FA8DDCD@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 27 Mar 2006, at 18:38, Graham Samuel wrote:

> Well, so far my experiments have been somewhat unsatisfactory. My  
> surmise that you can't scroll beyond the bottom of the last page  
> was correct: if say 60 lines fit on the first page and you have a  
> total of 80 lines, scrolling the pixel equivalent of 60 lines won't  
> make line 61 come to the top of the field: in fact AFAIK line 21 or  
> thereabouts will come to the top of the field, so I will have to  
> deal with the last page in a different way (for example by deleting  
> all the lines except the ones that are meant to be on the last  
> page, and printing what remains).

I looked back at some old stacks where i'd used the pageHeights. It  
looks like I used  two approaches. One was deleting the printed lines  
(as you mention above). The other was adjusting the height of the  
field to the same value as the current line in the pageHeights.

Cheers
Dave


From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Mon Mar 27 17:12:07 2006
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 23:12:07 +0100
Subject: FTP and Cross platform issues....
In-Reply-To: <15316795.1143483680640.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>
References: <15316795.1143483680640.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BF94CB19-D394-421A-8A34-422602E64FD3@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 27 Mar 2006, at 19:21, John Patten wrote:

> Hi Dave...
>
> Here are the answers to your questions:
>
<snip>
>
> socket 10.58.1.7|6927
> socket timeout 10.58.1.7:21|6927
> 220 --------------------------------------


The log entries suggest something odd is going on.

In the first line, I would expect to see a port number appended to  
the IP address. Like this:

   socket 10.58.1.7:21|6927

And although a socketTimeout is reported, the final line suggests a  
connection was opened and at least one line was read from the server.  
Strange!

Can you show us the script you're using to upload the file?

Also, if you're using one of the non-blocking calls (such as  
liburlFtpUpload), do you do anything after the call that might  
interfere with the liburl script. Examples would be a repeat loop  
that lasts for a long time, or the use of any "wait" commands.

Cheers
Dave


From josh at dvcreators.net  Mon Mar 27 17:36:34 2006
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:36:34 -0800
Subject: .swf in Revolution?
Message-ID: <F02E6AF5-4370-4C5E-A1F8-678641071CA1@dvcreators.net>

Flash 8 has wonderful new text anti-aliasing that makes a big  
improvement over previous versions.

Unfortunately, I don't think the Adobe Flash team and the Apple  
Quicktime team are getting along so good nowadays, as Flash support  
in QT is only up to version 5.

Anyone found a great, easy way to put a .swf on a Rev card?



Thanks,

Josh


From davecs1 at verizon.net  Mon Mar 27 16:37:43 2006
From: davecs1 at verizon.net (Dave Calkins 1)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:37:43 -0000
Subject: : Ftp and cross platform issues..
In-Reply-To: <20060325150418.743FB8255C0@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060325150418.743FB8255C0@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <0e1c0eeee2b048a7d680ee0ef64e0728@verizon.net>


On Mar 25, 2006, at 7:04 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com 
wrote:

> Subject: Re: Ftp and cross platform issues...
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <4424971D.5040206 at fourthworld.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Stephen Barncard wrote:
>
>> Chipp wrote:
>>> I agree. I'm rewriting my MagicCarpet Auto-updating Architecture to
>>> take account for that-- and also allow for the creation of portable
>>> apps.
>>>
>>> http://portableapps.com/
>>
>> Wait. Doesn't the term 'Portable Apps' imply some kind of
>> cross-platformness?
>> I mean, that's why Web based apps were created....
>>
>> Shouldn't 'Portable' imply 'play anywhere'?
>
> In this case the "play anywhere" means you carry it with you wherever
> you go on your USB Flash drive.
>
> For us Rev folks the concept of portability may seem odd, since Rev 
> apps
> are often self-contained anyway.
>
> But remember that a lot of Windows apps made with other tools require a
> small army of DLLs strewn all over the hard drive and a bunch of
> Registry entries to run.
>
> A "portable app" in this context is one which is simply self-contained,
> able to run entirely from a USB Flash drive leaving zero footprint on
> the system it's run on.  Preferences, data files, and the app itself 
> are
> all stored on the removable drive.
>
> And with Rev we can add a level of "play anywhere" most folks claiming
> to deliver "portable apps" can't:  we can put Win, Mac, and even Linux
> executables on the drive, sharing a common data folder there, so the
> user can pop the USB device into nearly any computer on the planet and
> be able to run your app.
>
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Managing Editor, revJournal
>   _______________________________________________________
>   Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com
Dave Calkins



From soapdog at mac.com  Mon Mar 27 17:45:44 2006
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:45:44 -0300
Subject: .swf in Revolution?
In-Reply-To: <F02E6AF5-4370-4C5E-A1F8-678641071CA1@dvcreators.net>
References: <F02E6AF5-4370-4C5E-A1F8-678641071CA1@dvcreators.net>
Message-ID: <63E08588-250B-42A4-B258-A423F2908249@mac.com>

Josh,

you can check altBrowser by altuit. It allows you to embed an full  
HTML container, and in this container, you can use flash...

Cheers
andre

On Mar 27, 2006, at 7:36 PM, Josh Mellicker wrote:

> Flash 8 has wonderful new text anti-aliasing that makes a big  
> improvement over previous versions.
>
> Unfortunately, I don't think the Adobe Flash team and the Apple  
> Quicktime team are getting along so good nowadays, as Flash support  
> in QT is only up to version 5.
>
> Anyone found a great, easy way to put a .swf on a Rev card?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Josh
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> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From davis.phil at comcast.net  Mon Mar 27 18:56:57 2006
From: davis.phil at comcast.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:56:57 -0800
Subject: [OT] Platform-specific web page
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860603271346h6f4516f8p631d925c635e951d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860603271346h6f4516f8p631d925c635e951d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44287BC9.7050808@comcast.net>

Hi Sarah,

Off the top of my head I don't remember, but (if you're not already 
aware of it) here's a GREAT site for all kinds of HTML/JS/browser/etc info:

    http://www.quirksmode.org/

Best -
Phil Davis


Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Does anyone have the relevant HTML/PHP/Javascript to determine the OS
> of a web page visitor and display the relevant screen shot. I want to
> have a web page that shows one of my Rev apps, but I would like it to
> show the correct screen shot (Windows or Mac) depending on the system
> that has requested the page.
> 
> I'm sure there is a way to do this and PHP is next on my list of
> things to learn :-) but I was hoping somebody would have done it
> already and could point me in the right direction.
> 
> Thanks,
> Sarah



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Mon Mar 27 19:03:51 2006
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:03:51 -0800
Subject: Extract/Address Imported Sounds?
Message-ID: <C04DBD67.370C5%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Anyone know if it's possible to export an imported sound from a stack to an
external file?  I've searched the mail archives without finding a solution.
I know it's possible to do this with images but with sounds?

On a related note, is it possible to link a player to an imported sound,
rather than external file?

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From jiro at ronri-kobo.com  Mon Mar 27 21:18:48 2006
From: jiro at ronri-kobo.com (Jiro Harada)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:18:48 +0900
Subject: .swf in Revolution?
In-Reply-To: <F02E6AF5-4370-4C5E-A1F8-678641071CA1@dvcreators.net>
References: <F02E6AF5-4370-4C5E-A1F8-678641071CA1@dvcreators.net>
Message-ID: <C3C35540-D2EC-4FEA-9359-5892348D495E@ronri-kobo.com>

Josh,

On 2006/03/28, at 7:36, Josh Mellicker wrote:

> Flash 8 has wonderful new text anti-aliasing that makes a big  
> improvement over previous versions.
>
> Unfortunately, I don't think the Adobe Flash team and the Apple  
> Quicktime team are getting along so good nowadays, as Flash support  
> in QT is only up to version 5.
>
> Anyone found a great, easy way to put a .swf on a Rev card?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Josh

I created the external in oder to play Flash movies on a Rev card.
F-ab, which is an application using the external, is downloadable at  
the following URL:

http://www.f-ab.net/

Note:
In Windows, the application requires Sun Microsystems Java runtime  
environment.
In Mac OS, it is not still compatible with Intel-based Macs.

Currently F-ab is using Netscape plug-in type Flash player version 7  
to play Flash movies on a Rev card. You can replace it with the  
version 8 as follows:
In Windows, replace "x:\Program Files\F-ab\Lib\NPSWF32.dll" with "x: 
\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\plugins\NPSWF32.dll", if you installed  
Firefox with Flash player version 8.
In Mac OS, replace "/Applications/F-ab 1.1/Lib/Flash Player.plugin",  
"Flash Player Enabler.plugin" and "flashplayer.xpt" with /Library/ 
Internet Plug-Ins/Flash Player.plugin", "Flash Player Enabler.plugin"  
and "flashplayer.xpt", if you installed Flash player version 8.


Jiro Harada



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Mar 28 01:19:48 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:19:48 -0600
Subject: .swf in Revolution?
In-Reply-To: <C3C35540-D2EC-4FEA-9359-5892348D495E@ronri-kobo.com>
Message-ID: <C04E31A4.388BF%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/27/06 8:18 PM, "Jiro Harada" <jiro at ronri-kobo.com> wrote:


> I created the external in oder to play Flash movies on a Rev card.
> F-ab, which is an application using the external, is downloadable at
> the following URL:
> 
> http://www.f-ab.net/
> 
> Note:
> In Windows, the application requires Sun Microsystems Java runtime
> environment.
> In Mac OS, it is not still compatible with Intel-based Macs.
> 
> Currently F-ab is using Netscape plug-in type Flash player version 7
> to play Flash movies on a Rev card. You can replace it with the
> version 8 as follows:
> In Windows, replace "x:\Program Files\F-ab\Lib\NPSWF32.dll" with "x:
> \Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\plugins\NPSWF32.dll", if you installed
> Firefox with Flash player version 8.
> In Mac OS, replace "/Applications/F-ab 1.1/Lib/Flash Player.plugin",
> "Flash Player Enabler.plugin" and "flashplayer.xpt" with /Library/
> Internet Plug-Ins/Flash Player.plugin", "Flash Player Enabler.plugin"
> and "flashplayer.xpt", if you installed Flash player version 8.

That's great, Jiro! But how do you install/use the external?


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From jiro at ronri-kobo.com  Tue Mar 28 01:59:43 2006
From: jiro at ronri-kobo.com (Jiro Harada)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 15:59:43 +0900
Subject: .swf in Revolution?
In-Reply-To: <C04E31A4.388BF%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C04E31A4.388BF%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <39477BB8-61FC-46C6-8627-D86EAC0BC7A5@ronri-kobo.com>

Ken,

This external is for in-house.
F-ab is a just demonstration to introduce our rich client application  
to our customers.

Jiro Harada


On 2006/03/28, at 15:19, Ken Ray wrote:

> On 3/27/06 8:18 PM, "Jiro Harada" <jiro at ronri-kobo.com> wrote:
>
>
>> I created the external in oder to play Flash movies on a Rev card.
>> F-ab, which is an application using the external, is downloadable at
>> the following URL:
>>
>> http://www.f-ab.net/
>>
>> Note:
>> In Windows, the application requires Sun Microsystems Java runtime
>> environment.
>> In Mac OS, it is not still compatible with Intel-based Macs.
>>
>> Currently F-ab is using Netscape plug-in type Flash player version 7
>> to play Flash movies on a Rev card. You can replace it with the
>> version 8 as follows:
>> In Windows, replace "x:\Program Files\F-ab\Lib\NPSWF32.dll" with "x:
>> \Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\plugins\NPSWF32.dll", if you installed
>> Firefox with Flash player version 8.
>> In Mac OS, replace "/Applications/F-ab 1.1/Lib/Flash Player.plugin",
>> "Flash Player Enabler.plugin" and "flashplayer.xpt" with /Library/
>> Internet Plug-Ins/Flash Player.plugin", "Flash Player Enabler.plugin"
>> and "flashplayer.xpt", if you installed Flash player version 8.
>
> That's great, Jiro! But how do you install/use the external?
>
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Mar 28 02:08:48 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 01:08:48 -0600
Subject: .swf in Revolution?
In-Reply-To: <39477BB8-61FC-46C6-8627-D86EAC0BC7A5@ronri-kobo.com>
Message-ID: <C04E3D20.388C9%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/28/06 12:59 AM, "Jiro Harada" <jiro at ronri-kobo.com> wrote:

> Ken,
> 
> This external is for in-house.
> F-ab is a just demonstration to introduce our rich client application
> to our customers.

I see... well then it won't help with the question that was posed, unless
you're willing to provide it/sell it as a third-party external for
Revolution.

Any chance of that happening? ;-)

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Tue Mar 28 02:14:32 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 23:14:32 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <442832A7.2020005@fourthworld.com>
References: <442832A7.2020005@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603272314gb2c1a3es5f4490893b88b8d5@mail.gmail.com>

Richard....

I agree that "merge" is very cool and quite powerful.

Still, I cannot put into a Web page:

Hello, there. The time is <% merge [[the time]] %> (regardless of the
dellimiter being used around the call) as I can with Ruby. The merge
operation would, I think, have to be included in the CGI generating the
entire text string above, right? Or am I really missing something obvious
here?

Again, as I said earlier, this may well be a distinction without a
difference when it comes to accomplishing what I'm pointing out as the main
advantage/feature of an MVC framework for Web development, namely the
(relatively) clean separation between presentation and business logic. I'm
not promoting Ruby, just trying to understand the qualitative difference in
using an embedded scripting language vs. a CGI approach.

On 3/27/06, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>
> Dan Shafer wrote:
>
> > In any case, what is clearly NOT happening with an SSI is the inclusion
> of
> > Transcript commands or functions directly in the HTML file from
> which  the
> > dynamic page is generated. All of the Transcript code is external to the
> > page layout/template. The overly simplistic example I provided earlier
> of
> > using an embedded call to a built-in Ruby function such as Time.now() is
> the
> > key idea here. The call to that function generates NO HTML code, just a
> > value to be substituted into the HTML page when it's generated by the
> > server. Using CGI, you can't mix HTML and operational code *in the HTML
> > template or page*. This means in general that the CGI must generate HTML
> > blocks to be inserted into the HTML page at generation time on the
> server.
>
> Just as Ruby is used to pre-process pages containing statements like
> time.now, you can use Rev as the preprocessor with its merge function to
> do the same thing:
>
>     The time is [[the time]]
>
> The merge function is very powerful, well worth spending some time with
> if you want to use Rev like Ruby or PHP.
>
> The key thing to keep in mind when implementing a system like this is
> that Ruby is just a text processing engine.  The methods by which it's
> hooked into the server are not unique to that engine, and just about any
> capable text processing engine, such as Rev, can be set up to be used in
> the same way.
>
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From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Tue Mar 28 02:16:09 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 23:16:09 -0800
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <p06200701c04de722633b@10.0.1.201>
References: <C04D8D3E.2E795%kevin@runrev.com>
	<B9D30C2E-AD01-45A4-A626-B8FD58408C91@writeme.com>
	<p06200701c04de722633b@10.0.1.201>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603272316hc85f5e4y530f66fc5255dffb@mail.gmail.com>

What makes you think the inventive user market is shrinking? You may be
right, but I wonder what your data points are.

On 3/27/06, Timothy Miller <gandalf at doctortimothymiller.com> wrote:
>
>
> I'm starting to get the impression that the "inventive user" market
> is shrinking in general. That troubles me a little, and I wonder why.
>
>

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Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue Mar 28 02:51:11 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 23:51:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <20060327140519.32E4D111E2E@spunkymail-a3.dreamhost.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603272340100.13488-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Okay, I'll grant that, but this assessment seems more generalized than
a specific response.

As for Media, at $49 and with a boatload of templates, what's not to like
for the "hobbyist"/"inventive user" market?

And yet, there also seems a wide yawning chasm between Media and whatever
the next-up category is currently called (is it Express?  Studio?  Sorry,
names change too much, my neurons fire too infrequently, and I just can't
keep track of name/option changes).

It's a huge leap, financially and options-wize, between the two product
lines.

I don't get it.  But it's late and I've spent 12+ hours at Disneyland with
the birthday kiddies, so am probably more than usually brain-drained.

Ignorance is indeed bliss...  as is sleep...

Judy

On Mon, 27 Mar 2006, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

> > And, I must be missing it, so, I'll ask,
> >
> > So, what was wrong exactly with DreamCard???
>
> It was a poorly positioned product.



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue Mar 28 03:08:24 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:08:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603270905p3da6ad94p116687b375fdaf90@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603272352490.13488-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Indeed, Dan & Dennis, isn't this one of THE primary differences between
the way DOS was designed/improved and the Mac OS?

I wish I could cite chapter and verse at this point, but, I'm brain-dead
(okay -- I'll say it before any of you: more brain-dead than usual), and
yet I could all but swear that I read somewhere that the Mac OS (and, all
if not most successive GUIs by implication) were designed *specifically*
to encourage mouse-based as opposed to type-based interaction styles.
That you see and comprehend and do as opposed to see, comprehend/guess,
and respond... and get an error code or not...

Judy



On Mon, 27 Mar 2006, Dan Shafer wrote:

> Dennis.....
>
> Great point. I suspect the preference you point out for mouse vs. keyboard
> as primary interaction mechanism explains a lot of stuff.
>
>
>
> On 3/26/06, Dennis Brown <see3d at writeme.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dan,
> >
> > You being a writer, most likely never have your fingers far from the
> > keyboard.  It makes sense to me that you would operate in that way.
> >
> > However, I being a very image oriented person, never have my fingers
> > far from the mouse, and dislike having to go to the keyboard for
> > anything I can point and click.  I rarely use cmd-key alternatives
> > except for the occasional qspazxcv --which are the basic common set
> > for all apps.
> > So count me in with Dr. Miller on this one.
> >
> > Dennis
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
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> http://www.shafermedia.com
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From jiro at ronri-kobo.com  Tue Mar 28 03:14:26 2006
From: jiro at ronri-kobo.com (Jiro Harada)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 17:14:26 +0900
Subject: .swf in Revolution?
In-Reply-To: <C04E3D20.388C9%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C04E3D20.388C9%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <7F70CC93-9131-464E-B1F3-830E98AA5526@ronri-kobo.com>

Ken,

altBrowser (http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altBrowserCover/ 
default.htm) can be used to play Flash movies on a Rev card.
It is a wonderful product.

Jiro Harada


On 2006/03/28, at 16:08, Ken Ray wrote:

> On 3/28/06 12:59 AM, "Jiro Harada" <jiro at ronri-kobo.com> wrote:
>
>> Ken,
>>
>> This external is for in-house.
>> F-ab is a just demonstration to introduce our rich client application
>> to our customers.
>
> I see... well then it won't help with the question that was posed,  
> unless
> you're willing to provide it/sell it as a third-party external for
> Revolution.
>
> Any chance of that happening? ;-)
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Mar 28 03:40:51 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:40:51 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
Message-ID: <4428F693.3050702@fourthworld.com>

Dan Shafer wrote:

> Richard....
> 
> I agree that "merge" is very cool and quite powerful.
> 
> Still, I cannot put into a Web page:
> 
> Hello, there. The time is <% merge [[the time]] %> (regardless of the
> dellimiter being used around the call) as I can with Ruby. The merge
> operation would, I think, have to be included in the CGI generating the
> entire text string above, right? Or am I really missing something obvious
> here?

The merge function can take any block of text (such as an HTML page, for 
example) and will replace Transcript expressions between "[[" and "]]" 
with the evaluated result.  You can but any expression or container 
reference between those brackets, including variables, constants, or 
even calls to Transcript functions defined elsewhere, and you can place 
any number of these anywhere in your HTML.

It really is worth devoting a half-hour to playing with.  Merge is one 
of the best things Transcript adopted from SuperTalk (from back in the 
days when Allegiant was pushing a server-side engine).

You can use the merge function in a CGI script, or in HTML templates 
processed by the engine, however you like.  And just like the 
recommended Ruby setup, we have users on this list who set up Rev with 
FastCGI, so performance should be roughly on par with similarly 
configured systems.

With Ruby it's common to create server directives that pass any files 
accessed in specified directories through Ruby on the way out (in 
essence an "implied CGI"), and I see no reason one couldn't do the same 
for any text processing engine they're using, such as Rev.

So while it seems somewhat magical to use:

    http://www.domain.com/appstuff/

...all that's really happening there is the server is set up to 
interpret that as:

    http://www.domain.com/appStuff/default.rb

Set up similarly, you could just as easily set up the server to have 
implied default pages specified as belonging to Rev, so calling the 
directory above would be interpreted as:

    http://www.domain.com/appStuff/default.revhtml


> Again, as I said earlier, this may well be a distinction without a
> difference when it comes to accomplishing what I'm pointing out as the main
> advantage/feature of an MVC framework for Web development, namely the
> (relatively) clean separation between presentation and business logic. I'm
> not promoting Ruby, just trying to understand the qualitative difference in
> using an embedded scripting language vs. a CGI approach.

"Embedded" is just how you set up your server to use the text processing 
engine of your choice, be it Ruby or Rev or whatever.  Since Ruby is 
most commonly set up using FastCGI, any distinction between "embedded" 
and "CGI" may be too subtle to be instructive.

But when you mention the framework, now you're on to the big difference 
that makes RoR attractive:  Rails already exists, whereas one would need 
to write a well-factored web app framework in Rev to get the same level 
of productivity.

MVC can make a good foundation for such a framework, as can many other 
common patterns.  Anything that separates code, content, and 
presentation is a step in the right direction, esp. if it makes smart 
use of triggers and accessors as MVC and similar patterns do.

As I noted here recently, I'm not yet convinced MVC per se is the best 
fit for Rev.  I'm open to opinions to the contrary, and would enjoy 
learning about successful apps shipped with a Transcript implementation 
of MVC.

Among languages that don't already provide MVC classes, there's much 
debate about how to graft them on.  The more I look into it the more I 
find many different flavors of MVC, MV, and similar factored patterns. 
For example, there's at least one good paper outlining how Apple's MVC 
in Core Data differs from SmallTalk's.  The biggest debates out there 
seems to focus on the scope and role of the Controller (most pretty much 
agree what a Model and a Viewer are), and a few have dropped the 
Controller altogether.

I haven't had enough commercial experience with MVC to have a strong 
opinion about those differences.  But stepping back from other people's 
implementation specifics to focus on the results we're all looking for, 
there are many ways to separate code, content, and presentation with 
Transcript.

Couple that with the high productivity of Transcript's typelessness, 
chunk expressions, and merge function (just to name a few), Rev would 
seem a worthy contender for anything involving a lot of text processing, 
on the desktop or the server.


PS: For a fun take on the flipside of frameworks, this post at Joel is a 
hoot:
<http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.219431.12>

--
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  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Mar 28 03:43:42 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:43:42 +0200
Subject: .swf in Revolution?
In-Reply-To: <7F70CC93-9131-464E-B1F3-830E98AA5526@ronri-kobo.com>
References: <C04E3D20.388C9%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<7F70CC93-9131-464E-B1F3-830E98AA5526@ronri-kobo.com>
Message-ID: <5B7380BB-FF8C-4B14-AA01-BF2DA10AFAB9@major-k.de>

Konichi-wa Jiro-san,

> Ken,
>
> altBrowser (http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altBrowserCover/ 
> default.htm) can be used to play Flash movies on a Rev card.
> It is a wonderful product.

sure, but that's not EXACTLY an answer to Ken's question ;-)

> Jiro Harada
>
>
> On 2006/03/28, at 16:08, Ken Ray wrote:
>
>> On 3/28/06 12:59 AM, "Jiro Harada" <jiro at ronri-kobo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ken,
>>>
>>> This external is for in-house.
>>> F-ab is a just demonstration to introduce our rich client  
>>> application
>>> to our customers.
>>
>> I see... well then it won't help with the question that was posed,  
>> unless
>> you're willing to provide it/sell it as a third-party external for
>> Revolution.
>>
>> Any chance of that happening? ;-)
>>
>> Ken Ray
>> Sons of Thunder Software
>> Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
>> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Mar 28 03:51:29 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:51:29 -0800
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
Message-ID: <4428F911.5050101@fourthworld.com>

Judy Perry  wrote:

> Indeed, Dan & Dennis, isn't this one of THE primary differences between
> the way DOS was designed/improved and the Mac OS?
> 
> I wish I could cite chapter and verse at this point, but, I'm brain-dead
> (okay -- I'll say it before any of you: more brain-dead than usual), and
> yet I could all but swear that I read somewhere that the Mac OS (and, all
> if not most successive GUIs by implication) were designed *specifically*
> to encourage mouse-based as opposed to type-based interaction styles.

Ideally they would do well with both.  One benefit of the keyboard over 
the mouse is that the buttons don't move around. :)

A lot of it depends on the task.  If you're doing a lot of typing you 
don't want to take your hands off the home row to go fiddle with a mouse.

Also, blind customers need keyboard access for all features (though 
sadly I've had little luck getting my Rev-based apps to work with screen 
reader software).

One thing I gotta say in favor of the Win HIG is how Microsoft 
repeatedly stresses the importance of having all features accessible 
from BOTH the keyboard and the mouse.  For all of Apple's push on 
accessibility, it wasn't until Tiger that they made all controls 
keyboard-accessible, and even then it's an option you need to find and 
turn on.

--
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  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From chris at carroll-davis.co.uk  Tue Mar 28 04:17:24 2006
From: chris at carroll-davis.co.uk (Chris Carroll-Davis)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:17:24 +0100
Subject: Weird Idle behavior
In-Reply-To: <44285652.3060603@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <1BAB8BAF-836B-44CE-8F0D-F78703692EE8@carroll-davis.co.uk>
	<44285652.3060603@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <049BBF12-7614-48E6-8F57-7FDD7B2BB643@carroll-davis.co.uk>

Thanks for the comments Jaqueline.

Yep, I do appreciate that it's more efficient to use "send" * , but  
the trouble is I want the timer to animate smoothly, not lurch once a  
second.

I have the thing working fine now without using the dreaded idle.  I  
know it's not the best solution, but I'm using two "flavours" of the  
updateTimer handler.  One that includes a call to send update in 6  
ticks (so I get 10 fps) that replaces idle. Another flavour (exactly  
the same but without call for update) updates the timer during tight  
loops (e.g. during mouse drag of objects).

Thanks again.

Chris

* Am holding copy of complete adventures of Rocky and Bulwinkle in  
right hand and hereby swear to *never* use idle again in my whole  
life. Ever. OK?

:-)


On 27 Mar 2006, at 22:17, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Chris Carroll-Davis wrote:
>> Hello folks -
>> here's a weird one...  I'm updating a timer on idle:
>> On idle
>>   global StartTicks
>>   if StartTicks = "" then exit idle
>>   updateTimer
>>   wait 1 millisecond with messages -- attempt at kludge!
>> end idle
>> which just draws an arc graphic to give visual feedback
>> On updateTimer
>>   global StartTicks, timeLimit
>>   If StartTicks = "" then exit UpdateTimer
>>   put 180+(180/(timeLimit * 60) * (the ticks - StartTicks)) into a
>>   set the startangle of grc "timer" to a
>>   if a >= 360 and StartTicks <> "" then
>>     TimesUp
>>     exit updateTimer
>>   end if
>> end updateTimer
>> This goes along fine, timing out after the timelimit ... except  
>> that  it doesn't update the display!!    If I call "updateTimer"  
>> from a  repeat loop, it works fine.  Has anyone come across this  
>> before?  Anyone got a workaround!?
>
> Works okay here, after I set the arcAngle to something other than a  
> circle.
>
> This is really a job for the "send" command though. If you send the  
> message only once per second you won't get all that extra stuff in  
> the pendingmessages.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Mar 28 05:01:08 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 04:01:08 -0600
Subject: Target not working???
In-Reply-To: <176A7373-AE3E-4B57-A0B5-CF654D658234@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <C04D4612.387E1%kray@sonsothunder.com>	<7437744A-6C51-46C5-B2CD-EF5DFE0D7807@dsl.pipex.com>	<0426D48B-BDAF-11DA-A993-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<176A7373-AE3E-4B57-A0B5-CF654D658234@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <44290964.3070600@chipp.com>

David,

On my library stacks I typically have the user type the following:


start using stack "myLib"
myLib_init
...

In the myLib_init routine, you can send a callback if you like to the 
calling stack (use the executionContexts if you like). And if you handle 
the callback in your library, then you have no worries about it falling 
through unhandled to the message path.

Or, you can trap the callback, if you wish, in the calling stack and do 
something with it.

Also, I see where you're using custom props to hold non-permanent data. 
While this is OK, I prefer to use library stack locals, as these zero 
out when the app quits. That way you don't have to explicitly reset 
them. I like customProps for data which may have to be saved between 
sessions...just my 2 cents.

-Chipp



From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Tue Mar 28 05:25:50 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:25:50 +0100
Subject: Target not working???
In-Reply-To: <44282A8A.8010205@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C04D4612.387E1%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<7437744A-6C51-46C5-B2CD-EF5DFE0D7807@dsl.pipex.com>
	<44282A8A.8010205@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <20C11BAC-0802-42DB-9484-830E0D8AC79B@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi Jacqueline,

Right now there isn't a scan! But this means that I have to do this  
each time a Handler is called (or maybe get an execution error):

if the script of ObjectX contains theHandlerName then

Which is slow, so I thought it better to scan all the Objects and  
build an Array of all the functions in a script at "start using"  
time. The scan is performed only once and should result in better all  
round performance.

This is the extra work I was talking about before I release it to  
revOnline.

All the Best
Dave

On 27 Mar 2006, at 19:10, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> David Burgun wrote:
>
>> The idea is that when a Client Stack does a "start using" I want  
>> to  scan all the scripts in the stack and if there is a handler  
>> called  "ISM_InitializeObject", call it and when doing a "stop  
>> using" I want  to call "ISM_FinializeObject".
>
> I just knew you had to have a scan in there somewhere. ;)
>


From jiro at ronri-kobo.com  Tue Mar 28 05:26:02 2006
From: jiro at ronri-kobo.com (Jiro Harada)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 19:26:02 +0900
Subject: .swf in Revolution?
In-Reply-To: <5B7380BB-FF8C-4B14-AA01-BF2DA10AFAB9@major-k.de>
References: <C04E3D20.388C9%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<7F70CC93-9131-464E-B1F3-830E98AA5526@ronri-kobo.com>
	<5B7380BB-FF8C-4B14-AA01-BF2DA10AFAB9@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <FB60BA7A-A4F7-4BF4-9EC8-8CC4E8A6C0A9@ronri-kobo.com>

Guten Tag, Herr Klaus

This external does not have even beta quality. But it has no problem  
for in-house.
It will take a long time to release the final version to sell it.

Jiro Harada


On 2006/03/28, at 17:43, Klaus Major wrote:

> Konichi-wa Jiro-san,
>
>> Ken,
>>
>> altBrowser (http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altBrowserCover/ 
>> default.htm) can be used to play Flash movies on a Rev card.
>> It is a wonderful product.
>
> sure, but that's not EXACTLY an answer to Ken's question ;-)
>
>> Jiro Harada
>>
>>
>> On 2006/03/28, at 16:08, Ken Ray wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/28/06 12:59 AM, "Jiro Harada" <jiro at ronri-kobo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ken,
>>>>
>>>> This external is for in-house.
>>>> F-ab is a just demonstration to introduce our rich client  
>>>> application
>>>> to our customers.
>>>
>>> I see... well then it won't help with the question that was  
>>> posed, unless
>>> you're willing to provide it/sell it as a third-party external for
>>> Revolution.
>>>
>>> Any chance of that happening? ;-)
>>>
>>> Ken Ray
>>> Sons of Thunder Software
>>> Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
>>> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
>
> Regards
>
> Klaus Major
> klaus at major-k.de
> http://www.major-k.de
>
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From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Mar 28 05:33:19 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 04:33:19 -0600
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <4428F693.3050702@fourthworld.com>
References: <4428F693.3050702@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <442910EF.3040208@chipp.com>



Richard Gaskin wrote:

> PS: For a fun take on the flipside of frameworks, this post at Joel is a 
> hoot:
> <http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.219431.12>

Ha! Great stuff, really!

Further down the page the author (IMO) does a great job of 
differentiating libraries vs frameworks. He states:

"I'd like to address the notion of using a framework vs. rolling your 
own framework.

I think it's a false dichotomy; I don't want to use any framework at all.

I know what several of you are thinking. I'd be out of my mind not to 
use some sort of framework. Am I honestly thinking of writing every 
single line of code that I'll need all on my own?

No, of course not.

What I'd really like to find are some appropriate *libraries* that I can 
use to provide several kinds of functionality for my project. Here's 
what I need:

* A library to use as a templating system for the presentation tier of 
my application. This API should be dirt simple.

* A library to use as a content repository (articles, essays, etc).

* A library providing a user-management API, for creating, editing, and 
deleting users, and assigning them different privileges.

* A library providing a threaded discussion forum API. This code should 
have *no* front-end gui. It should just provide an API of forum-related 
services that I'll need in building my webapp. I'll build my own JSP GUI 
on top of it.

* A library providing multi-user blogging capabilities.

Why is it so difficult to find simple libraries that provide these kinds 
of services?

The distinction between a library and a framework is subtle, but I think 
critical. A library is a collection of code that I don't have to write 
myself. It provides me with a set of objects and methods that I can use 
to build me application. If the library doesn't do quite what I want, I 
can make some small modifications or throw it away and use a different 
library.

A framework, on the other hand, always attempts to redefine the entire 
applilcation architecture. And, if the framework ends up not meeting my 
needs, I need to throw away my entire application, because everything 
I've written is defined in terms of the framework's methodology.

A library is something *contained* within my code.

A framework is a *container* for my application."

Interesting distinction...

-Chipp



From 36degrees at runrev.com  Tue Mar 28 05:40:08 2006
From: 36degrees at runrev.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:40:08 +0100
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603272314gb2c1a3es5f4490893b88b8d5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <442832A7.2020005@fourthworld.com>
	<70ed6b130603272314gb2c1a3es5f4490893b88b8d5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B99B9836-9C81-4832-A580-628F86B5FB60@runrev.com>

HI Dan,

I think the piece of the puzzle missing here is that of the web- 
server. It is easy to configure Apache (for example) to execute a  
particular program server-side when a page is requested that has a  
specific extension. This program is passed both the requested URL and  
resolved server-side path through the standard CGI environment  
variables PATH_INFO and PATH_TRANSLATED.

For example, when put in the appropriate place something like:
   AddHandler rev_html .revhtml
   Action rev_html /cgi-bin/process_revhtml.cgi
Will tell Apache to execute /cgi-bin/process_revhtml.cgi everytime a  
page with the extension .revhtml is accessed. (I wouldn't be  
surprised if this is how Ruby-on-Rails is actually configured, and is  
certainly how PHP or Perl is configured in some web-hosting  
environments where they didn't want to use mod_perl or mod_php for  
some reason).

The process_revhtml.cgi script can then be something like:

#!  revolution -ui

on startup
   local tInputScript
   put url ("file:" & $PATH_TRANSLATED) into tInputScript

   local tOutputScript
   put merge(tInputScript) into tOutputScript

   write "Content-Type: text/html" & return to stdout
   write "Context-Length: " & the length of tOutputScript & return to  
stdout
   write return to stdout
   write tOutputScript to stdout
end startup

So, a file on the webserver server such as 'current_time.revhtml'  
containing the following:
   <html>
     <head>
       <title>Current Server Time</title>
     </head>
     <body>
       The current server time is [[the internet date]]
     </body>
   </html>

Will serve a page saying something like:
   The current server time is Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:55:01 +0000

Of course, this is an incredibly simplistic example - but one that  
can be extended in a number of ways. Indeed, from this it is not hard  
to see how you could start to create an entire environment in  
which .revhtml scripts are run giving various features akin to PHP,  
Perl (with all its modules) and Ruby-on-Rails.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

------------------------------------------------------------------
  Mark Waddingham ~ 36degrees at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com
        Runtime Revolution ~ User-Centric Development Tools





From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Mar 28 05:56:17 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:56:17 +0200
Subject: .swf in Revolution?
In-Reply-To: <FB60BA7A-A4F7-4BF4-9EC8-8CC4E8A6C0A9@ronri-kobo.com>
References: <C04E3D20.388C9%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<7F70CC93-9131-464E-B1F3-830E98AA5526@ronri-kobo.com>
	<5B7380BB-FF8C-4B14-AA01-BF2DA10AFAB9@major-k.de>
	<FB60BA7A-A4F7-4BF4-9EC8-8CC4E8A6C0A9@ronri-kobo.com>
Message-ID: <C019DAAE-6796-4CA0-AECE-108816C5AE0F@major-k.de>

Hi Jiro,

> Guten Tag, Herr Klaus

:-)

> This external does not have even beta quality. But it has no  
> problem for in-house.
> It will take a long time to release the final version to sell it.

Ah, now that's an answer :-D

Thanks!

> Jiro Harada

Sayonara

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Tue Mar 28 06:09:47 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:09:47 +0100
Subject: Target not working???
In-Reply-To: <11615667939.20060327134115@ahsoftware.net>
References: <C04D4612.387E1%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<7437744A-6C51-46C5-B2CD-EF5DFE0D7807@dsl.pipex.com>
	<0426D48B-BDAF-11DA-A993-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<8E94910B-EF2E-4315-ACE7-60DF0F95EA87@dsl.pipex.com>
	<11615667939.20060327134115@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <0746D3B7-3C1F-4DA2-BF01-F7F1BBD86BE9@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi Mark,

On 27 Mar 2006, at 22:41, Mark Wieder wrote:

> David-
>
> Monday, March 27, 2006, 9:21:13 AM, you wrote:
>
>> All I want to do is to call a handler if it exists in a script. I've
>> read up on the message path etc. but not sure how it applies in this
>> case. Could you elaborate?
>
> OK. Now I see what you're trying to do here. But I still see two
> problems with this:
>
> One, I don't see a way to differentiate messages coming from multiple
> sources. If object A responds to B events, then how do you limit it to
> responding only to B event messages from object C? What if object D
> also generates B events?

That's legal. A message is sent  to *all* listening objects. For  
example, a "Folder_Selected" message could be sent to a field that  
displays the folder path name, another that uses the folder path name  
to display a list of files, another field that just displays the  
folder name without the path and a button that is enabled or disabled  
depending on if there is currently a folder selected.

If you want to have more than one folder, e.g. say a source and  
destination folder, then you can use the "Kind" field to  
differentiate, e.g. objects that want to act on a Source folder being  
selected  listen for  "Folder_Selected", "FolderKindSource" and  
objects that want to act on the Destination folder listen for   
"Folder_Selected", "FolderKindDestination".

> Two, I still think you're fighting the "natural" object hierarchy. Why
> not have the stack initialize its own objects when it starts up
> instead of forcing it from the parent stack? Or more correctly, why
> not have the library stack tell each of its controls to initialize
> themselves, i.e.,
>
> -- in the library stack
> -- untested code
> on openStack
>   local x
>
>   repeat with x=1 to the number of controls of this stack
>     try
>       send "ISM_InitializeObject" to control x
>     end try
>   end repeat
> end openStack
>
> on closeStack
>   --unregister all objects
> end closeStack
>
> Or, if you use setProp handlers instead, you can just say
>
> on openStack
>   local x
>
>   repeat with x=1 to the number of controls of this stack
>     set the ISM_InitializeObject of control x to empty
>   end repeat
> end openStack
>
> then you don't have to worry about whether or not the control supports
> the ISM_InitializeObject handler - you'll just set a harmless custom
> property if it doesn't.
>

There are a number of reasons:

1.  I am trying to cut down on the amount of code and the number of  
places that needs to be changed if you want to either add an existing  
object from the Object Library or to write a new Object (that might  
be added to the library at a later date).

2. Speed. I do more than just send the ISM_InitializeObject message  
while looping thru the objects in a stack. At present there are  
checks on a call-by-call basis (e.g. when a stack Calls a  
"ISMListenForMessage" or "ISMPutMessage")  and this impacts the  
performance. It's better to do all this at "start using" time and  
hold that information so as to save time once ISM has initialized.  
This is a data dependent algorithm (which are to be avoided if  
possible) and I am just following good software engineering practice,  
e.g. if you absolutely MUST use a data dependent algorithm the put as  
much processing as possible so as to make it more worthwhile.

3. Although the code I posted shows the ISM_InitializeObject being  
called in the loop, this was just to illustrate what I wanted to  
achieve. In the real Library I actually just build a list/array and  
call the handler later on.

4. It seems like better OOP practice to hold all the information/code  
that an object needs in one place.

I really can't see that I am "fighting the "natural" object  
hierarchy". The loop (or something like it needs) to be held  
somewhere, the fact that it is held in a "central" place really  
doesn't make much difference. In your example I'd need N loops, one  
for each stack, doing it my way just results in one loop, e.g. less  
code. Of course you could make a common function out of your loop and  
store it in the Stack Script or in a Library and then just call it  
from each object. This wouldn't be "fighting the "natural" object  
hierarchy", so how can putting in *my* library be different?

All the Best
Dave



From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Tue Mar 28 06:33:11 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:33:11 +0100
Subject: Target not working???
In-Reply-To: <44290964.3070600@chipp.com>
References: <C04D4612.387E1%kray@sonsothunder.com>	<7437744A-6C51-46C5-B2CD-EF5DFE0D7807@dsl.pipex.com>	<0426D48B-BDAF-11DA-A993-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<176A7373-AE3E-4B57-A0B5-CF654D658234@dsl.pipex.com>
	<44290964.3070600@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <0BF42C42-91DE-469C-92A5-B414653D88D1@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi Chipp,

On 28 Mar 2006, at 11:01, Chipp Walters wrote:

> David,
>
> On my library stacks I typically have the user type the following:
>
>
> start using stack "myLib"
> myLib_init


Yes, I was thinking it might be better to do it that way too. I still  
haven't made up my mind on it. The thing I was trying to avoid is a  
"stop using" being issued from a stack while other stacks are still  
using it. e.g. I only want to do a "stop using" if this is last stack  
to "stop using". The way it's set up, ISM will issue the "stop using"  
only if it's the last (or only) stack. I set a local variable in the  
ISM de-register handler and then check it in the releaseLibrary  
handler. If the variable it not set correctly then I just do a "start  
using" again! This way rouge "stop using's" have no effect. e.g.  
"start using" and "stop using" MUST be called from the register/de- 
register handlers inside ISM.

> In the myLib_init routine, you can send a callback if you like to  
> the calling stack (use the executionContexts if you like). And if  
> you handle the callback in your library, then you have no worries  
> about it falling through unhandled to the message path.
>
> Or, you can trap the callback, if you wish, in the calling stack  
> and do something with it.
>
> Also, I see where you're using custom props to hold non-permanent  
> data. While this is OK, I prefer to use library stack locals, as  
> these zero out when the app quits. That way you don't have to  
> explicitly reset them. I like customProps for data which may have  
> to be saved between sessions...just my 2 cents.
>

Yes again! I was thinking that too. I coded this way originally to  
aid debugging, e.g. you can look at the custom properties in the  
Stack Inspector at any time and see what is going on. I was actually  
planning on using local's to hold the data and then if Debug Mode is  
on, copy them to the custom property.

Thanks for your suggestions. Any others would be greatly appreciated!

All the Best
Dave



From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Tue Mar 28 06:33:54 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:33:54 +0100
Subject: 15K Limit on posts is a Real Pain!!!???
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860603271339y2fab1870wdddb7c5a9aeb6b4f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C04D8BD0.2E794%kevin@runrev.com>
	<51D21E6F-FE31-47E9-908D-0D40A5F0B939@dsl.pipex.com>
	<64a8571d23a923fe57c4c11947df191c@mac.com>
	<C84662A3-8248-4623-AAEB-3770034C5D4A@dsl.pipex.com>
	<79993F61-0B52-4631-ADFF-62B5FADDE30C@adelphia.net>
	<f99b52860603271339y2fab1870wdddb7c5a9aeb6b4f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F953E7E0-194C-4D1B-8B73-BBFC03F56DD3@dsl.pipex.com>

Done! Thanks!

All the Best
Dave

On 27 Mar 2006, at 22:39, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

>> Select a message and hit reply. THEN go to the view menu and
>> customize toolbar - there you will see the rich text/plain text. It
>> is not available from the main window but rather only when you open a
>> new or reply window for email.
>>
>
> In Mail's Preferences -> Composing, you can set "Responding: use the
> same message format as the original" so that replying to plain text
> emails will always be plain text without you having to remember.
>
> HTH,
> Sarah
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From katir at hindu.org  Tue Mar 28 06:53:10 2006
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 01:53:10 -1000
Subject: ANN: Hinduism Today Digital Edition --  Release Candidate 1.0
Message-ID: <BB610C4A-0EF7-4C1F-8DE2-5C31FC8989B6@hindu.org>

Aloha and Namaste from Kapaa, Hawaii and Niteroi, Brasil:

We are pleased to announce, thanks to everyone's hard work, Andre  
Garzia's talents and the support of many on this list, the Hinduism  
Today Digital Edition -- "Release Candidate 1.0rc.1"  which just  
means, all known bugs discovered to date have been squashed (we  
hope...) We have been sweating it out here for the last three weeks,  
but it came out well, though we are probably a week or more behind  
schedule.

It's free and we need (begging for!) testers. Go to:

http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/

Concept modeled on Dan Shafer's "SmartEbooks" with the addition of a  
few bells and whistles, and a simple, quiet, but hopefully pleasing  
graphic design from our design department, this is a not-so- 
complicated Revolution Remote Client app, PDF downloader, booter and  
back issues manager. An "iMag" for Hinduism Today. Special thanks  
goes to Ken Ray for XML lib and Chipp Walters and Chris at Altuit for  
altSplash, two libs that really make this work.

The web interface,  back end PostGreSQL are all "driven" by  
revolution CGI's. So what you experience from here on out is 100%  
Revolution top to bottom (+xhtml+PostGreSql+Apache) (Dan is this   
what you mean by a "web app" ??-- if any one wants to the answer to  
"how did you do that?" contact me off list)

Our call to testers is: "Hammer on it has hard as you want, break it  
if you can!"

Also, everyone is hereby given an "open season license" to send in as  
much constructive criticism as you feel inspired to (or not). In the  
"Help" section, scroll down and use the link that says "Click here to  
send a support Request" (this is deliberately buried, in the UI...  
though we might change that later)

In the "About" section scroll all the way to the end to see  
Revolution and Revolutionary credits. These links run through a  
referrals CGI on our server and I am logging them all to see what  
kind of traffic-interest we might get from the large Indian-Hindu  
software community that will be downloading this app. Since it is  
free, this product is a walking, talking advertisement for Revolution  
for those with any interest in the technology behind sit.

Be forewarned, this is a broadband product... at 25-28 megabytes of  
PDFs per issue. It will be very interesting to see how hungry people  
are for this kind of offering vs how much resistance there will be to  
downloading that much data.

We hope you enjoy our new application: (code name "Brasil") and of  
course, the Digital Edition itself: the beautiful PDF's of the April  
issue of Hinduism Today International Magazine.

Om shanti (peace)

Sivakatirswami, Kauai
Andre, Brasil
Sadhunathan Nadesan, San Diego

p.s. we discovered an obscure issue with Apple's installer: if you  
have recent permissions issues on your applications folder, the  
reproducable bug is: the installer does not write any application to  
disk. Run "Disk Utilities" and fix permissions and it works fine. I  
don't  know if there are or can be, similar issues on Windows or not.





From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Tue Mar 28 08:07:47 2006
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9.Bisseret?=)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 15:07:47 +0200
Subject: When closed,
	does a substack whose destroyStack is true remains in memory ?
In-Reply-To: <442829FA.7070600@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <DA8F6D16-BE5B-11DA-81A9-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>


Le Monday, 27 Mar 2006, ? 20:07 Europe/Paris, J. Landman Gay a ?crit :

> Martin Blackman wrote:
>> Thanks Andre thats what I was suspecting if following the docs to the  
>> letter.
>> It doesn't seem like it should be necessary to save a file to disc
>> though just to print out !
>> For the printing which I have done, mostly unstyled text, I haven't
>> found any difference whether formatforprinting is on or off anyway.
>
> With some fonts, the difference in sizing is so minimal that the  
> output appears the same whether formatForPrinting is set or not. But  
> with other fonts, there can be a dramatic difference. On Windows  
> machines, it is usually a good idea to set formatForPrinting to true.
>
> One way to get around the save-close-open restriction is to make a  
> substack that will be used specifically for printing only, set its  
> formatForPrinting to true, and save it with the mainstack. From then  
> on, when you dump text into the substack's fields, they should use  
> printer fonts rather than screen fonts.
Thanks Jacque, but seems to me that I miss something :
I had understood from the Doc that if the subStack has its  
formatForPrinting set to true,  we must avoid to edit it (dump text in  
it) ?

Andr?
>
> Another way to deal with it, if you want to create printing stacks on  
> the fly, is to set the formatForPrinting of the templateStack to true.  
> Then when you create a new stack for printing, the property will  
> already be set and will not require closing and reopening. This is how  
> the Rev printing library does it.
>
> --  
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From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Tue Mar 28 08:09:47 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:09:47 +0100
Subject: RAD - Case Study Version 2
In-Reply-To: <533981014.20060327102629@ahsoftware.net>
References: <9F879CCF-19A7-462A-B425-15CF4AE30502@dsl.pipex.com>
	<44259F1C.4090202@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1896181839.20060326220815@ahsoftware.net>
	<432E822C-F2AA-4BBA-B75E-607AA1D6E082@dsl.pipex.com>
	<533981014.20060327102629@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <3A60528F-C0CB-4CD3-8093-62D7939EB3D4@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi Mark,

On 27 Mar 2006, at 19:26, Mark Wieder wrote:

> David-
>
> Monday, March 27, 2006, 2:01:22 AM, you wrote:
>
>> I looked at your example and the ISM stack I have developed is *VERY*
>> similar to your mc2_libDispatcher. The only main difference I can see
>> is that I have a secondary Message/Event ID which I call a "Kind".
>> This is to allow you to have more than one copy of the same event.
>
> Obviously I can't paste the whole library in here, but yes, the
> approach is very similar. Not sure why you need the "Kind" property.
> The tuple of sender-message-observer should uniquely identify and
> event, no?

I explained this in more detail in reply to another post you made.  
Basically it's so you can more than one of the same message-type.  
There is a Base Folder object in the standard library, it has a Kind  
of "FolderKindDefault" (or whatever). If you want another object that  
does exactly the same thing, but instead of being (say) a source  
folder, it's a destination folder, you just change the "kind" of  
folder selected. I hold this "kind" in a custom property (I don't  
*need* to have it in a custom property, it could be a constant in the  
script(s)) in both the Sender and the Receiver. In your example you  
have to change a line of the script (the object name) in order to  
register the to receive the message. in mine I just change the custom  
property. If I used a constant, I'd have to change the script too. It  
just seems easier to change a custom property then change a script.

All the objects in the Object Library default to a "XXXKindDefault"  
whether they send or receive events so as standard (e.g. only one of  
the said object is needed) they just work without changing  
*anything*, *anywhere*. e.g. The object that sends the Folder  
Selected message sends "FolderKindDefault" and the object  that  
receives the Folder Selected message listens for "FolderKindDefault",  
so they work straight out of the box Just paste them into a stack and  
they work! No need to change *anything*, *anywhere*.

It's only if you want to have more than one Folder Selected Generator  
and/or more than one Folder Selected Receiver that you need to change  
anything and in that case all you need to change is the "kind" custom  
property.

e.g.

New Stack/Card.
Paste the "Select_Folder" Object from the Object Library (sends  
"FolderKindDefault" via a custom property).
Paste the "Select_File" Object from the Object Library (receives  
"FolderKindDefault" and sends "FileKindDefault" via custom properties).

Now you want to have a "Select_SourceFolder" , a ""Select_  
DestinationFolder", a "Select_SourceFile" and a  
"Select_DesintionFile" in the card.

Paste another copy of the "Select_Folder" Object from the Object  
Library.
Paste another copy of the "Select_File" Object from the Object Library.

If you now ran the stack, selecting a folder in either of the folder  
objects would send a "FolderKindDefault" message. The same goes for  
the file object(s), it would send "FolderKindDefault" or   
"FileKindDefault", and any object "listening" would receive the  
message. So you'd get the *same* folder path name displayed and the  
same file list displayed in both sets of objects.

If you now change the two new objects so the Custom Property was now  
"FolderKindDestination" and "FileKindDestination" then they now would  
work independently and so two different folders/files would be  
displayed.


>> There is also a difference in the way in which your example actually
>> uses the Dispatcher, you do your "Listening" or "Registering" at the
>> Stack level, which means you have to change the Stack Script when you
>> add a control to the stack:
>
> The two lines of code I listed were the *only* changes anywhere. I
> cheated and put them into a "Register" button for testing, but they
> could have gone into the openStack handler. Interesting idea, though -
> I'll have to take a look at your code again. You're saying that the
> objects register themselves? Hmmm. That sounds like it's breaking the
> Loosely-Coupled Objects pattern. My main goal was to ensure that
> controls don't need to know where their events are coming from. Drag
> and drop, then connect the dots.

It's the same for ISM. The Objects don't know where the message is  
coming from either. I put the "register" or "listen" in the object(s)  
so that I can just delete the object and it stops "listening" without  
having to change *anything*, *anywhere*. The idea is that the object  
in the Object Library has as many bells and whistles as possible,  
then if want less functionality you just delete it, e.g. you  
customize the object to suite the requirements once pasted into your  
stack. If you find that a particular customized object is being used  
a lot, you can then rename the object and paste it back into the  
ObjectLibrary as a variant of the original.

By deleting an object here, I mean that, for instance, in the Object  
Library the "standard" folder selected object is a group that has a  
clear button, a choose button, a label with fixed text that says  
"Folder Selected" and a locked field that holds the Folder Path Name  
of the currently selected folder.

The choose button sends a "FolderSelected", "FolderKindDefault"  
message, it is always enabled.

The clear buttons sends  "FolderSelected", "FolderKindDefault" with  
an empty folder path name, it also listens for "FolderSelected",  
"FolderKindDefault"  and enables or disables itself depending on  
whether the folder selected is empty or not. So pressing the clear  
button sends an empty folder to itself as well as any other object  
that is "listening!).

The Folder Path Name field listens for  "FolderSelected",  
"FolderKindDefault" and stores path name of the folder selected by  
the user into itself. It also has Drag and Drop code in it's script  
that allows a folder to be dropped onto it in which case it sends a  
"FolderSelected", "FolderKindDefault" message (which is received by  
the same field since it is Listening and sets it's contents to the  
folder selected by the user (either from the choose button or from  
itself via the drag and drop operation)).

The "FolderKind" is held in the Custom Property so changing that  
changes the kind of folder sent and listened for with the Group Object.

You can delete any of the objects inside the object group and all the  
other objects in the group will still work, it's just that the  
deleted object is no longer listening.

The "FolderSelected", "FolderKindDefault" can be sent from  
*anywhere*, from a different stack, card, group or control and object 
(s) will get the event!

>
>> This means you are hardcoding control names into the stack. I *could*
>> do it this way too, but in order to allow objects to be pasted and
>> duped in a stack and have them just work without changing any other
>> scripts, I do the "Register" at the control level.
>
> Got it. You change the script of the object when you paste it in. I
> went the other way, allowing the objects to be pasted without any
> changes. I think I avoided a lot of the pitfalls you're finding. But
> the approach sounds equally valid.

No! I don't change *anything* if I only have one of the object type.  
If I want more than one (as above) I then change the custom property  
that specifies the "kind" of message sent and received. Obviously I  
have to change that custom property in *all* objects, but copy and  
paste makes that easy and less error prone.

>
>> Other than that the concepts are identical!
>
> Yep. The big difference, I think, is that extracting the event
> dispatching into a library means that you can instrument a control to
> be an event generator with one line of code and you can likewise
> instrument a control to receive events with just a setProp handler.
> And then the objects are totally reusable.

It's the same, see above! It's just I use a custom property instead  
of changing a script.

The bottom line is that (AFAIK!) you *have*  to change something  
somewhere, you change a script, I change a custom property. I was  
toying with the idea of using the long name of the object as the  
"kind". Then you'd have to change the name. I thought that this would  
be more work though so used a custom property instead.

Thanks a lot for this discussion - all I can say is great minds think  
alike! lol!!!

All the Best
Dave















From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Tue Mar 28 08:12:58 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:12:58 +0100
Subject: Function question
In-Reply-To: <44282709.4050303@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C04D4612.387E1%kray@sonsothunder.com>	<7437744A-6C51-46C5-B2CD-EF5DFE0D7807@dsl.pipex.com>
	<2EC21AA8-BE80-46DA-A3C6-9B8993147C08@dsl.pipex.com>
	<44282709.4050303@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <E7081829-ACF4-4DDD-9B0B-15FEA17A0659@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

Again you have proved yourself worth your weight in gold! (not that I  
know how much you weigh!).

Thanks a lot, this makes life a lot easier for me!

Take care and All the Best
Dave


On 27 Mar 2006, at 18:55, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> David Burgun wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> It is possible to call a function at a location?
>> For instance it is possible to:
>> send "xxx" to group "yyy"
>> But can I do the same for functions, as in:
>> get functionx() of group "yyy"
>
> Yes:
>
>   get value("function()",group "yyy")
>
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From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Tue Mar 28 08:15:13 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:15:13 +0100
Subject: Setting up a team...
In-Reply-To: <000001c651cd$f0201de0$1400a8c0@ACERLaptop>
References: <000001c651cd$f0201de0$1400a8c0@ACERLaptop>
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On 27 Mar 2006, at 19:40, Andy Calloway wrote:

> Blimey, that's much worse!
>
> Not that I don't like California, I'm sure it's fab, but it's the  
> other side
> of the world. Maybe I can claim on expenses...

If so, can I come too??? lol

All the Best
Dave




From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Tue Mar 28 08:22:25 2006
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9.Bisseret?=)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 15:22:25 +0200
Subject: Avoiding line cut-off in a multipage printout
In-Reply-To: <73AD638A-651F-4D29-AFBE-BA4B011A6743@mac.com>
Message-ID: <E5702104-BE5D-11DA-81A9-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>

Hi Graham,

I had recently a lot of problem about printing (actually mainly with  
Windows, not with Mac).
with Mac a number of differents procedure worked.
I give you here the one which eventually worked with Windows too.
I don?t claim that it is the best possible one ; likely it should be  
optimized, simplified etc. but currently it is working on Windows as  
well as on Mac.
I hope it will help you (could be some others) :-)))

I wrote this post a bit quicky ( and my english is not so good)  
so,don?t hesitate to ask me questions about anything that would not be  
clear. (I hope I will remember why I put such or such line ;-))). Some  
line could be useless but for the moment I don't change anything !!!!

My stack has about 300 cards. Each card presents a text (analysis of  
scientific articles) in aVscrolling field. Often the text exceeds the  
visible par of the field.  On each card there are also other (non  
scrolling) fields containing ? name of the author ?, a code of the  
text, the title of the text, the reference of the article the text is  
about etc.

Sorry, I keep naming my objects as it is, often in French ; It would be  
too long to change them in the script ; I will tried to translate when  
necessary. I hope that wont be too disturbing.
I don't use "formatForPrinting" ; I tried it with a printingStack (not  
a substack) without success.
I don't use either the scrolling  technique.

best regards from Grenoble
Andr?

1 ? I have a hidden field in my stack named ? PourImprimer ? (ToPrint)
In this fld I format a report composed from several fields on the  
cards. (author, code of the text ; title and the text itself (in a fld  
name ? LeTexte ?.
Below, a part of the script I am using : (concerns the installation of  
the fld ?LeTexte ?
on formatPourImprimer
   put empty into fld "pourImprimer"
   put fld "leTexte" into fld "pourImprimer"
   set the HTMLText of fld "pourImprimer" to the HTMLText of fld  
"leTexte"
   put the number of lines of fld "pourImprimer" into truc
   repeat with x = 1 to truc
     if line x of fld "pourImprimer" is empty then next repeat
     if line x of fld "pourImprimer" is not empty then
       get the effective textSize of line x of fld "pourImprimer"
       set the effective textSize of line x of fld "pourImprimer" to it  
?2 -- that?s because otherwise the printed characters were too large.
     end if
   end repeat
-- actually I continue here to install the content of others field but  
it is the same way.
end formatPourImprimer


2 ? Moreover I created a subStack named ? StackDImpression ? (means  
PrintingStack) with two fields :
one is named ? tamponAImprimer ? (means ? bufferField)
the other is name ? champDImpression ? (means ? FieldToBePrinted ?).
This two fields have no border shown.
  These two fields on it, have the same size. This size is calculated so  
that it corresponds to the size of  A4 page minus the margins.
A page A4 is in points (inches * 72) : 595 * 842
As I set the margins to : 72,50,50,72, the resulting size for my  
subStack and its 2 flds is 473*720.
Actually, he subStack is a bit highter than its two flds, because at  
the bottom of the substack I have a small field where I can put the  
page number.
This substack remains not visible.

When the user click on a button ? Print the text ? on a card, then :
Here is the handler which is called :
5 ? Finally I print
on Imprimer (means ? print ?)
   FormaterLaFiche --  SEE BELOW ALL THE (EMBEDDED) HANDLERS
   go to stack "stackDImpression"
     set the printmargins to 72,50,50,72
   put the cardNames of stack "stackDImpression" into cardsToPrint
   answer printer
   open printing with dialog
   if the result is "Cancel" then exit Imprimer
   repeat for each line tCd in cardsToPrint
     print tCd
   end repeat
   close printing
end Imprimer

NOW WHAT IS UNDER ? FORMATERLAFICHE? AND THE HANDLERS IT IS CALLING.
1-  I format the document (translation from the fld ? LeTexte ? to the  
fld ? pourImprimer ? with new formating) as above.

2.? Then I put the fld ? pourImprimer ? into the fld ? tamponAImprimer  
? of the subStack ; and then I fill in the field ? champDImpression ?  
from fld ? tamponAImprimer ?, line after line (put one first line into  
fld ? champDimpression ? delete this line in fld ? tamponAImprimer ?  
etc until a page of field ? champDImpression ? be full. Then I continue
the same process on a new card filling in a new page for fld ?  
ChampDImpression ?.

Below the handlers :
on FormaterLaFiche -- (means ? format the text (in stackDImpression)
   set the cursor to watch
   GLOBAL lineToAdd
   GLOBAL cardNum
   GLOBAL gPrintHeight
   formatPourImprimer
   miseAZ?roStackDImpression -- see below the handler
   set the printMargins to 72,50,50,72 -- likely not necessary here
   put field "pourImprimer" into field "tamponAImprimer" of card 1 of  
stack "StackDImpression"
   set the htmlText of fld "tamponAImprimer" of cd 1 of stack  
"stackDImpression" to\
   the htmlText of fld "pourImprimer"
   go to stack "stackDImpression" ?which remains invisible
   put the height of field "champDImpression" of stack  
"StackDImpression" - 26 into gPrintHeight -- ? -26 ?
   put empty into fld "champDImpression"
   put empty into cardNum
   repeat until fld "tamponAImprimer" is empty
     -- if the mouseClick then exit repeat
     put cardNum + 1 into cardNum
     remplirUnePage -- see the handler below
     put "Page" && cardNum into fld "champNoPage"
   end repeat
   go to last card of stack "stackDImpression"
if fld "champDImpression" is empty then delete this cd
   reset cursors
end FormaterLaFiche

on miseAZ?roStackDImpression -- simple but just to be complete ; it is  
to delete the cards of the previous printing
   put the number of cds of stack "stackDImpression" - 1 into NbrDeCartes
   repeat NbrDeCartes
     delete cd 2 of stack "stackDImpression"
   end repeat
end miseAZ?roStackDImpression

on remplirUnePage (means ? fillinOnePage ?)
GLOBAL CARDNUM
   GLOBAL LINETOADD
   GLOBAL GPRINTHEIGHT
   go to Card CardNum
   put the number of lines of fld "champDImpression" + 1 into lineToAdd
   create card
   go previous
   repeat UNTIL the formattedHeight of fld "champDImpression" of cd  
cardNum >= gPrintHeight
if the number of lines of fld "tamponAImprimer" = 0 then exit repeat
     if line 1 of fld "tamponAImprimer" is empty then put cr after fld  
"champDImpression" of cd cardNum
     copy line 1 of fld "tamponAImprimer" ? copy and paste is the easier  
way I found (that keeps html format and is particularly efficient if  
you have images embedded in the text
     select line lineToAdd of fld "champDImpression" of cd cardNum ?the  
first empty line
     paste
     set the clipboardData to empty
     delete line 1 of fld "tamponAImprimer"
     put lineToAdd + 1 into lineToAdd
   end repeat
   reformaterPage ? see the handler below
   replacerLesLignesIsol?esEnBas ? see the handler below
end remplirUnePage

3 ? When fld ? tamponAImprimer ? is empty then fld ? champDImpression ?  
may be display on several cards (= several pages to print).
BUT, often, last line on a card is not entirely visible because it is  
too long. Thus, I need to test this and if true then, : copy this last  
line, delete it, and  paste it at the top of the next card.
  Below the handler :
on reformaterPage ? means formatAgainPage
   if the formattedHeight of fld "champDImpression" >= the height of  
field "champDImpression" then
     repeat until the formattedHeight of fld "ChampDImpression" < the  
height of fld "champDImpression"
       if the mouseClick then exit repeat
       copy last line of fld "champDImpression"
       go next
       if the clipboardData is empty then
         put cr before fld "champDImpression"
       else
         select before fld "champDImpression"
         paste
         set the clipboardData to empty
         go previous
         delete last line of fld "champDImpression"
       end if
     end repeat
   end if
end ReformaterPage

4 ? But it remains one problem :  last line of fld ? champAImprimer ?  
can be an ? isolated line ?, in French ? une ligne orpheline ? ( an  
orphan line). Often it is a title which remains isolated as a last line  
while the content of the passsage has been put on the next page.
So, I have another handler trying to solve as many such problems as  
possible (depending on how easy it is to detect theses sort of cases).
Below the handler I am using  (well, only to get the idea ; depends a  
lot of your texts) :

on replacerLesLignesIsol?esEnBas --(means something like ?put back the  
isolated last lines)
   switch
   case the textStyle of last line of fld "champDImpression" is "bold"\
     and the foregroundColor of last line of fld "champDImpression" is  
"0,0,0" ?for me small sub-titles
     copy last line of fld "champDImpression"
     go next
     select before fld "champDImpression"
     paste
     set the clipboardData to empty
     go previous
     delete last line of fld "champDImpression"
     break
   case the foregroundColor of last line of fld "champDImpression" is  
"0,0,255" ? I have titles in blue
     copy last line of fld "champDImpression"
     go next
     put cr before fld "champDImpression"
     select before fld "champDImpression"
     paste
     go previous
     delete last line of fld "champDImpression"
     break
   case first char of last line of fld "champDImpression" is "*" and\
     the number of chars of last line of fld "champDImpression" < 50 --  
small lines in lists
     copy last line of fld "champDImpression"
     go next
     put cr before fld "champDImpression"
     select before fld "champDImpression"
     paste
     go previous
     delete last line of fld "champDImpression"
     break
   end switch
end replacerLesLignesIsol?esEnBas

Le Monday, 27 Mar 2006, ? 19:38 Europe/Paris, Graham Samuel a ?crit :

> Well, so far my experiments have been somewhat unsatisfactory. My  
> surmise that you can't scroll beyond the bottom of the last page was  
> correct: if say 60 lines fit on the first page and you have a total of  
> 80 lines, scrolling the pixel equivalent of 60 lines won't make line  
> 61 come to the top of the field: in fact AFAIK line 21 or thereabouts  
> will come to the top of the field, so I will have to deal with the  
> last page in a different way (for example by deleting all the lines  
> except the ones that are meant to be on the last page, and printing  
> what remains). The other odd thing that happened is that when I  
> scrolled by the amount suggested in the pageHeights, the last line of  
> page n was repeated at the top of page n+1. Probably my error, but so  
> far I don't see how. A further point is that the RR docs (dictionary)  
> suggests you print the field the text is in, but actually you can't  
> print a field, only a card: so first you have to get the field to be  
> the right size to fill the printable area on the page (to which there  
> is no general solution) and then you have to print the card.
>
> I'll carry on experimenting. Haven't tried it on the PC yet (with the  
> stack opened in FormatForPrinting mode). But it all seems a lot more  
> complicated than I had hoped. I'd really like to save a text file and  
> get the user to print it using the local text editor, but I don't  
> think that's in the spec...
>
> Graham
>
> I wrote:
>> Thanks to Ken Ray and Dave Cragg for pointing out the existence 'the  
>> pageHeights'. I had missed this. Although somewhat eccentric, i.e.
>>
>>> Comments:
>>> The value reported by the pageHeights property is a list of numbers  
>>> separated by returns. Each number is the height in pixels of a page  
>>> full of text.
>>>
>>> You can use the pageHeights property to print the entire contents of  
>>> a field by printing the field, setting the field's scroll to the  
>>> first line of the pageHeights, printing the field again, setting the  
>>> scroll to the current scroll plus line 2 of the pageHeights, and so  
>>> on.
>>>
>>> The computations used by the pageHeights property assume the field's  
>>> borderWidth property is set to zero and its margins is set to 6.
>>
>> it does look like the answer. Thanks to you both. There does at first  
>> sight seem to be one problem, which is that if the last page isn't  
>> full of text, then AFAIK scrolling won't work, because the scroll  
>> will include stuff from the previous page... but as I've been wrong  
>> about everything else I'm probably wrong about this too. Also I'm not  
>> sure what the implications of the margins being set to 6 are... nor  
>> if this works when the formatForPrinting is set (I suppose so,  
>> otherwise what would be the use of it?). I'll experiment.
>>
>>> On 3/27/06 12:36 AM, "Graham Samuel" <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> It gets worse! I see now that the script can't know the exact number
>>>> of lines that will be printed without clipping on a properly
>>>> formatted page under Windows! What I can't understand (as with other
>>>> aspects of printing) is why so few developers seem to care about
>>>> this. Not everybody reads stuff on the screen: for example teachers,
>>>> I find, want to carry bits of paper away with them (such as student
>>>> reports) even if the actual app is a highly interactive screen-based
>>>> thing.
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
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From a.calloway at callowaygreen.com  Tue Mar 28 08:46:48 2006
From: a.calloway at callowaygreen.com (Andy Calloway)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:46:48 +0100
Subject: Setting up a team...
In-Reply-To: <619F6A5A-FE93-470B-BBB5-FCE80A4F5A32@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <004701c6526e$0fb295c0$0200a8c0@ACERLaptop>

If they ever have one in Scotland I'll pick you up on the way (assuming you
live between me an Scotland!)

> >
> > Not that I don't like California, I'm sure it's fab, but it's the 
> > other side of the world. Maybe I can claim on expenses...
> 
> If so, can I come too??? lol
> 
> All the Best
> Dave
> 
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From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Tue Mar 28 08:48:49 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:48:49 +0100
Subject: Setting up a team...
In-Reply-To: <004701c6526e$0fb295c0$0200a8c0@ACERLaptop>
References: <004701c6526e$0fb295c0$0200a8c0@ACERLaptop>
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London!

Cheers Mate (in best cockney accent!).
Dave

On 28 Mar 2006, at 14:46, Andy Calloway wrote:

> If they ever have one in Scotland I'll pick you up on the way  
> (assuming you
> live between me an Scotland!)
>
>>>
>>> Not that I don't like California, I'm sure it's fab, but it's the
>>> other side of the world. Maybe I can claim on expenses...
>>
>> If so, can I come too??? lol
>>
>> All the Best
>> Dave
>>
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From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Tue Mar 28 09:19:58 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 15:19:58 +0100
Subject: Target not working???
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Hi Again Chipp!

I just thought of something else. Apart from using ISM as a message  
broadcast system, it can also be used as a central place to hold  
system wide (or inter-stack) data.

On 28 Mar 2006, at 11:01, Chipp Walters wrote:
> David,
>
> Also, I see where you're using custom props to hold non-permanent  
> data. While this is OK, I prefer to use library stack locals, as  
> these zero out when the app quits. That way you don't have to  
> explicitly reset them. I like customProps for data which may have  
> to be saved between sessions...just my 2 cents.

ISM has a concept of persistent data which remains across application  
launches (in a standalone) or across launches of the IDE.

As an example of this, take a Preferences Stack (a separate Prefs.rev  
file).

The user launches the standalone which takes them to the main  
application stack (call it AppMain.rev), this in turn allows them to  
select the preference stack. The user some system-wide preference  
(say the language is changed from English to Spanish). The preference  
stack sends a message ("LanguageChanged", "LanguageKindDefault",  
"Spanish") and all listening objects get the message and change  
themselves so that they now set their text to the new language).  
However since only AppMain.rev is "listening" it is the only stack to  
change.

The user now closes the Preferences Stack and Quits the App (or a  
developer quits the IDE).

The App is relaunched, the current stack  (AppMain.rev) is set to  
Spanish. The user now does something that calls up another stack like  
double clicking on a thumbnail of an image so as it see it in an  
ImageViewer/Editor (call this stack ImageEdit.rev). The language is  
still English in the (mageEdit.rev stack (or more accurately it's the  
language that was last chosen from the Preferences Stack when  
ImageEdit.rev was last open).

Normally you'd have to do something like call up the Preferences  
Stack (maybe making it invisible) so that it can re-send it's data)  
or have the Stack with the new data somehow send it to the new  
stack . However, in ISM if you make the data persistent, as soon as  
an Object(s) starts "listening" they get sent the data from the last  
time it was set, in this case "Spanish". The Preferences Stack  
doesn't have to be re-opened and there is no extra initialization  
code needed anywhere. The same path that handles a change also  
handles the initialization!

So, in order to do this, I need to store persistent data in a custom  
property. I intend hold this information in locals while the App is  
running and copy it into Custom Properties in the ISM stack when the  
last stack de-registers itself. That way I get the best of both worlds!

All the Best
Dave



From livfoss at mac.com  Tue Mar 28 09:25:58 2006
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 16:25:58 +0200
Subject: Avoiding line cut-off in a multipage printout
Message-ID: <7AC7BA36-5F8B-4DB3-B21A-53F1AE6F58AF@mac.com>

On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 15:22:25 +0200, Andr? Bisseret  
<Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr> wrote:

[Some very valuable stuff about the problem of multipage printing of  
text]

Andr? - this is just a preliminary 'thank you' for taking the trouble  
to send your script and to comment on it. My French is not quite at  
zero-level, but it needs all the help it can get! Anyway I am  
studying your solution and I may ask you some questions about it  
later on. I am interested in your 'orphan line' solution - this term  
is also used in English by the way (we also have 'widowed' lines -  
lignes veuves?? - which is the line before the orphan one,  left on  
the previous page...)

Anyway, thanks again

Graham



----------------------------------------
Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France



From tominjapan at excite.com  Tue Mar 28 09:41:09 2006
From: tominjapan at excite.com (Thomas McCarthy)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:41:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: MonsterCommerce & Rev
Message-ID: <20060328144109.B5A72B6AC@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com>


I just finished integrating my rev project with Paypal very nicely (details comming soon). Then my publisher says,
"I'd like to do this with MonsterCommerce"....argh! is someone pulling my fingernails out?

As an added bonus, I see on their website that they're a NetworkSolutions company- the same group that refused to do anything to get revolution cgi's working. Ouch! there goes another nail!

I just sent an email politely telling my publisher it's not in our best interests to abandon the PayPal method just as I got it going. But on the off chance:
Has anyone had any experience integrating rev with MonsterCommerce?
http://www.monstercommerce.com/

(at first glance they seem to be more geared to physical products.)
thanks,
tm

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From rcozens at pon.net  Tue Mar 28 10:26:39 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 07:26:39 -0800
Subject: Can a constant be global?
In-Reply-To: <p0623091ec04dc6cdb43c@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <2C198F0B-8890-451F-98BA-794478269200@mac.com>
	<288EA885-4541-4FAA-8CB5-DD756532CE63@dsl.pipex.com>
	<p0623091ec04dc6cdb43c@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <40A18370-BE6F-11DA-8DE1-0030657E1638@pon.net>


Stephen, Jacque, Jim, et al:

> Who needs "Global Constants" when you have custom props?
> OR Getprop/setprop....
>


> Custom properties can act like global constants.


> You could have fields on a card in a lib stack that hold the constant
> values,

As with Dave's approach, you are generating runtime activity to emulate 
a compiler symbol table entry.

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From rcozens at pon.net  Tue Mar 28 10:45:06 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 07:45:06 -0800
Subject: Target not working???
In-Reply-To: <176A7373-AE3E-4B57-A0B5-CF654D658234@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <C04D4612.387E1%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<7437744A-6C51-46C5-B2CD-EF5DFE0D7807@dsl.pipex.com>
	<0426D48B-BDAF-11DA-A993-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<176A7373-AE3E-4B57-A0B5-CF654D658234@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <D4773ED5-BE71-11DA-8DE1-0030657E1638@pon.net>

Morning Dave,

> All I want to do is to call a handler if it exists in a script. I've 
> read up on the message path etc. but not sure how it applies in this 
> case. Could you elaborate?
>

Moi & my foolesh mouth!

Now I have to analyze your code in more detail, ignore your question, 
or offer another general opinion.

In general, I echo Mark's feeling:

> I still think you're fighting the "natural" object hierarchy.

But, as I said previously, this does not mean your approach won't work.

So help me understand the underlying goal.

My impression is you a building a library of "standardized objects" to 
be referenced by multiple stacks.  All iterations of standardized 
objects in that stack are to be initialized per a library stack handler 
when it opens and set to some other state when the stack closes.  Is 
that essentially the goal of the example?

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."



From Karen at curlypaws.com  Tue Mar 28 12:12:15 2006
From: Karen at curlypaws.com (Karen)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 18:12:15 +0100
Subject: objCalendar_v1.1.2.rev
In-Reply-To: <20060328061245.D18CD825097@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060328061245.D18CD825097@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1771779A-F5AA-43B9-8A9A-5A83D0CAC202@curlypaws.com>


On 28 Mar 2006, at 07:12, Liam Lambert wrote:

> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:08:42 +0100
> From: liamlambert <liamlambert at mac.com>
> Subject: objCalendar_v1.1.2.rev
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Message-ID: <46FD767F-B4CC-4E76-BCE2-B128127BB8C5 at mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
> I am getting a error when clicking next month with Shao Sean's
> calendar object
> any ides what I'am doing wrong?
> Liam Lambert
> liamlambert at mac.com
> IRELAND

Liam,

I'm not sure what might be causing this exact error, but I remember  
having a few problems in getting the calendar object working  
initially.  If you take a look in the Curlypaws user space on  
Revolution Online, you can download the program "Photo Directory"  
which uses the calendar object and may help you.

Karen


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Mar 28 12:23:32 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:23:32 -0600
Subject: When closed, does a substack whose destroyStack is true remains
 in memory ?
In-Reply-To: <DA8F6D16-BE5B-11DA-81A9-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>
References: <DA8F6D16-BE5B-11DA-81A9-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <44297114.8000703@hyperactivesw.com>

Andr?.Bisseret wrote:

 > I had understood from the Doc that if the subStack has its
 > formatForPrinting set to true,  we must avoid to edit it (dump text in
 > it) ?

You will have to try it because I can't remember now. But I think 
putting text into a field is okay. What you can't do is edit text after 
it is already in a field. The IDE does something similar when it sets 
the formatForPrinting of the templateStack, so it should work. But test it.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Tue Mar 28 12:43:04 2006
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:43:04 -0800
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603272340100.13488-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <20060328174314.4B38F111E2C@spunkymail-a3.dreamhost.com>

> Okay, I'll grant that, but this assessment seems more 
> generalized than a specific response.

Right - when it comes to anything related to business strategy, I cannot be
very specific for competitive market reasons.
 
> As for Media, at $49 and with a boatload of templates, what's 
> not to like for the "hobbyist"/"inventive user" market?

There is no hobbyist/inventive user from a software marketing perspective -
that is a "D) none of the above" designation to try to define a bunch of
unrelated target customers that only superficially look similar.

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd







From troy_lists at rpsystems.net  Tue Mar 28 12:50:14 2006
From: troy_lists at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:50:14 -0500
Subject: ANN: Hinduism Today Digital Edition --  Release Candidate 1.0
In-Reply-To: <BB610C4A-0EF7-4C1F-8DE2-5C31FC8989B6@hindu.org>
References: <BB610C4A-0EF7-4C1F-8DE2-5C31FC8989B6@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <85EB0640-4C9C-41AF-A817-58586F5A96DC@rpsystems.net>


On Mar 28, 2006, at 6:53 AM, Sivakatirswami wrote:

> We are pleased to announce, thanks to everyone's hard work, Andre  
> Garzia's talents and the support of many on this list, the Hinduism  
> Today Digital Edition -- "Release Candidate 1.0rc.1"  which just  
> means, all known bugs discovered to date have been squashed (we  
> hope...) We have been sweating it out here for the last three  
> weeks, but it came out well, though we are probably a week or more  
> behind schedule.

Congratulations! I'm sure Andre cooked up some interesting code in  
there.  ;-)

--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net




From liamlambert at mac.com  Tue Mar 28 12:55:13 2006
From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 18:55:13 +0100
Subject: objCalendar_v1.1.2.rev
Message-ID: <B8D98007-0ACA-4E6F-A69A-299A24911305@mac.com>

Thanks Karen got it working

Liam Lambert
liamlambert at mac.com
IRELAND




From cmsheffield at gmail.com  Tue Mar 28 13:01:27 2006
From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:01:27 -0700
Subject: running a process in the background
In-Reply-To: <C049D950.3858F%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C049D950.3858F%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <AA42A8D6-14AA-4A25-8577-5726C376F00C@gmail.com>

Thanks, Ken.  Unfortunately that didn't quite do the trick for me.   
My situation seems a little bit different from that explained in this  
link.  I tried adapting it to work for me but couldn't quite get  
there.  No matter what I try, once the report building process starts  
I can't do anything else.  And this is a lot of code executing.  So  
going into it at this point and putting in some kind of command here  
and there to update my modal dialog would be a lot of work.  I think  
this is a situation where threads would come in handy.

Anyway, thanks for the idea, but got any others?  :-)

Chris


On Mar 24, 2006, at 4:13 PM, Ken Ray wrote:

> On 3/24/06 4:10 PM, "Chris Sheffield" <cmsheffield at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> How is this done, or can it be done?  Or maybe this isn't even the
>> right question.
>>
>> Here's what I'm trying to do.  I have a handler that generates a set
>> of reports for my application.  That handler can take a while to
>> process if there is a lot of data to work with.  So what I'm trying
>> to do is display a modal dialog that basically just says "Please
>> wait" while the reports are generated.  The "Please wait" dialog also
>> has the little chasing arrows animated gif and a Cancel button to
>> stop the process if necessary.
>>
>> Here's what's happening.  The dialog displays just fine, and the
>> reports are generated just fine.  But while the work is being done,
>> the dialog does not respond in any way.  The chasing arrows do not
>> move and I can't click on the Cancel button.  Is there any way around
>> this?  The dialog is a substack of the stack that creates the
>> reports.  In the openCard handler of the first, and only, card of the
>> substack, I have a send "DoReports" in time command.  And that's it.
>> Is there any way to do what I want?  Seems like I've seen it done
>> before, but can't quite get it working.
>
> Here you go:
>
> http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/scrp008.htm
>
> :-)
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
>
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Read Naturally
The Fluency Company
http://www.readnaturally.com
------------------------------------------




From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Tue Mar 28 13:07:25 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 19:07:25 +0100
Subject: Target not working???
In-Reply-To: <D4773ED5-BE71-11DA-8DE1-0030657E1638@pon.net>
References: <C04D4612.387E1%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<7437744A-6C51-46C5-B2CD-EF5DFE0D7807@dsl.pipex.com>
	<0426D48B-BDAF-11DA-A993-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<176A7373-AE3E-4B57-A0B5-CF654D658234@dsl.pipex.com>
	<D4773ED5-BE71-11DA-8DE1-0030657E1638@pon.net>
Message-ID: <9C1A252F-C81B-4B5C-9317-5CC3F8008A8B@dsl.pipex.com>

Good Morning to you too Rob, although it's late afternoon here!

On 28 Mar 2006, at 16:45, Rob Cozens wrote:

> Morning Dave,
>
>> All I want to do is to call a handler if it exists in a script.  
>> I've read up on the message path etc. but not sure how it applies  
>> in this case. Could you elaborate?
>>
>
> Moi & my foolesh mouth!
>
> Now I have to analyze your code in more detail, ignore your  
> question, or offer another general opinion.
>
> In general, I echo Mark's feeling:
>
>> I still think you're fighting the "natural" object hierarchy.
>
> But, as I said previously, this does not mean your approach won't  
> work.
>
> So help me understand the underlying goal.

My goal is/was to be able to create application more quickly, which  
is why I use started using RevRev in the first place!

In order to explain how I arrived at the ISM solution I will have to  
describe a bit of history!

I started off programming in Assembler on Mini-Computers working  
mainly on data entry systems. One of the system had a Dartmouth BASIC  
implementation which is where I got my first taste of high level  
languages. Another of the Mini's had a LISP compiler and another had  
a SNOBOL4 and later a SPITBOL implementation which is where I first  
discovered xTalk type environments.

I then moved to micro-processors, specialized systems embedded  
systems, coding in assembler, 8080, Z80 and 6800 to name a few. I am  
access to a mini that ran SPITBOL which I used to develop tools to  
help write and analyze code in written assembler.

Then came the PC. Again, I programmed mostly in Assembler and used  
BASIC and SNOBOL4 (running on the PC) to write tools. I started  
using  a mixture of C and assembler for parts that needed speed (C  
compiler technology wasn't that great in those days). I remember GEM  
as being the first real graphical environment I used. I then moved to  
UNIX and RISC chips, programming mostly in C. Then in 1989 I started  
on the Mac initially using Think Pascal and then C. Hypercard was  
around then, but like 99% of the programming world, I really didn't  
understand it, and besides machines were not really fast enough to do  
it justice in those days, especially for the type of work I was  
doing. C++ started to take off and I gradually moved over to using it.

I looked at V1 of RunRev, thought it was a GREAT concept, but V1  
didn't really do enough to make it worthwhile. Then around 2 years  
ago I started playing with RunRev V2 and was VERY excited it could do  
what I wanted and the processors were now fast enough to make it  
worthwhile. Since then I have written around 8 RunRev applications,  
some of them used External Commands for heavy-duty image processing.

The type of market I work in now means that I have to write many GUI  
intensive applications and try to sell them to the Customer. They are  
really just GUI shells to start with and if I do a good enough job  
and the Gods are with me, I get the contract and then I get paid to  
do some "real" work.

One of the things I hated was writing GUI code in C and C++, it just  
took way to long to write the code, was hard to debug and wasn't  
really cross platform (depending on the Framework being used).

This is why RunRev was/is such an attraction to me. When I first  
started with RunRev, I could do something in (say) 5 days it would  
have taken me (say) 5 weeks in C/C++ *and* it was Cross Platform. A  
great gain. Call this a 5:1 ratio for RunRev vs C/C++.

I have used a variety of methods in order to develop apps in RunRev.  
I've used most of the the methods described by others on the list,  
For example:

Having a common routine in the stack or card script and hard coding  
object names or using Custom Properties to visually update controls.

Looping thru all the controls in a card/stack and updating them that  
way.

A mixture of the two methods above, etc., etc., etc.,

Over time I got better and better at doing it, but all the above  
methods meant that I had to do tweaking (sometimes non-trivial  
tweaking) in order to build a new app from parts of other apps and  
add the new pieces necessary to make the new app. For instance if you  
use the common routine/hard coded object names approach and have two  
Apps already written using that technique and then want to use parts  
of the two apps in a new app, you have to re-code the common routine  
so as to take account of the new objects. If the parts from the two  
existing apps just happen to have the same object names then it makes  
the job that much more difficult. You have to expend energy making  
parts that are already debugged and working in separate apps just to  
get the same functionality in a new app. Then you have to add the new  
pieces and update the common routine again to take into account the  
new pieces. As the common routine grows in complexity it take longer  
and longer to build a new application, e.g. it is a data dependent  
algorithm.

At this stage I'd guess I had an 10:1 ratio RunRev vs C/C++.

But being lazy (as most programmers/engineers are), I wanted MORE!!!!

Taking a step back from this, Object Oriented Programing (OOP) in  
general promoted the concept of Object-reuse, and I remember thinking  
that one of the good things about C++ was that given an existing  
object to was fairly simple (in C/C++ terms) to incorporate a  
existing objects into a new App, and I remember thinking "if only it  
were like this in RunRev".

So began the ISM. I am now at a point where there is very little or  
no separation of code and data, by this I mean copying and pasting a  
visual object into a new app copies both the Visual Object and all  
the code necessary to make it work.

As it stands now I can take an object from my Object Library or from  
an existing ISM based App and place it in a new App and the most I  
have to do to make it work is change a few custom properties in the  
Property Inspector and hey presto it just works.

No tweaking of scripts, no renaming of objects, no nothing! It just  
works!

Right now I'd say I had a 30:1 ratio RunRev vs C/C++!!

When I start a new app, I take whatever pieces I need from the Object  
Library or existing apps, throw them into a new app and the stuff  
that did work still works (with no or minimal changes to Custom  
Properties), leaving just the task that I really want to do which is  
design and code the new piece. The new piece is then available for  
use in the next app and so it just gets faster and faster. The  
snowball is getting bigger and it's moving more quickly!

> My impression is you a building a library of "standardized objects"  
> to be referenced by multiple stacks.  All iterations of  
> standardized objects in that stack are to be initialized per a  
> library stack handler when it opens and set to some other state  
> when the stack closes.  Is that essentially the goal of the example?

Yes, that's it. In order to do the above, a "Listen" routine needs to  
be called for each object that wants to receive a message. The listen  
function can be called at anytime, but to make it easier to use, I am  
scanning for the ISM_InitializeObject handler and if it's present,  
call it. The ISM_InitializeObject in the target object can then call  
the Listen function to register itself (or any other object for that  
matter). The same goes in reverse, I want to stop listening when a  
stack closes.

I'm revising the ISM so as to make it more developer friendly and  
therefore even easier to use it in other apps. Once I've done that, I  
was intending to put it on revOnline.

All the Best
Dave
















  


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Tue Mar 28 13:24:31 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:24:31 -0800
Subject: MonsterCommerce & Rev
In-Reply-To: <20060328144109.B5A72B6AC@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com>
References: <20060328144109.B5A72B6AC@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com>
Message-ID: <p06230928c04f246de154@[192.168.1.103]>

I would never do business with Network Solutions.

<grumble>
Not long ago, they were the only Registrars, and they acted like it, 
even after competition was allowed. They were very late in the game 
to make it easier to get a domain name. In the late 90's it took a 
flurry of emails, pointless munging of text and a couple of weeks to 
get a new one, and there was no web interface.

in 1999, I finally found BuyDomains.com and moved all my domains and 
my clients' domains there. Their control panel and other software 
worked great and they didn't gouge -- NS charges $35/domain, BD 
charges $16/year.

The final straw when I did use Network Solutions for a few clients - 
was when they sent letters that looked like re-registering documents 
for their <current> registrars, when only the fine print at the 
bottom indicated that responding would SWITCH them to NS. These 
letters were sent to the LEGAL owners of the domains (rock star 
management companies) who didn't have a clue about anything and would 
respond automatically, sending a check on its way. Meanwhile the 
sysop/webmaster dude (me) gets no notification this goes on until 
it's almost switched - or when the site goes down. This slimy trick 
combined with no admin notification in this instance and ridiculous 
prices put them off my radar for anything. I did notice that they 
didn't seem to have ever done this again, so people must have 
complained.

I just checked MonsterCommerce.com -- they promise a lot, but the 
site is awfully slow.

And if <their> site is slow... imagine how fast your little hunk of 
webspace will be through them. Whadya think they're going to oversell 
the space?

It's always better to get one's own web hosting than through these packages.

</grumble>

>I just finished integrating my rev project with Paypal very nicely 
>(details comming soon). Then my publisher says,
>"I'd like to do this with MonsterCommerce"....argh! is someone 
>pulling my fingernails out?
>
>As an added bonus, I see on their website that they're a 
>NetworkSolutions company- the same group that refused to do anything 
>to get revolution cgi's working. Ouch! there goes another nail!
>

-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -


From troy_lists at rpsystems.net  Tue Mar 28 13:28:35 2006
From: troy_lists at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 13:28:35 -0500
Subject: Applescript?
Message-ID: <37684D91-857C-4DC5-B9C2-BDE6CB224FD1@rpsystems.net>

I have an older application which relies on getting returns to  
Applescript via telling Revolution to "do script", this app used to  
work fine in 2.6.1 and earlier, but fails silently in 2.7.x

My Applescript tool (Late Night Software's "Script Debugger X")  
claims that Revolution is not scriptable, where it used to show  
support for "do script"... any ideas?

--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net




From wdesmet at wanadoo.nl  Tue Mar 28 14:15:33 2006
From: wdesmet at wanadoo.nl (William de Smet)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:15:33 +0200
Subject: How to use an image as cursor
Message-ID: <b016f13e0603281115l4ec51559l42621088f0c1ebdf@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there,

Because I work with disabled children I want to use a bigger cursor in
my little app.
The documentation says that you van make your own cursor when the
image is 16x16 or 32x32 pixels. But I want and need a bigger cursor
and so far I can't get it to work.

Any suggestions?

Greetings,

William de Smet


From davecs1 at verizon.net  Tue Mar 28 14:21:16 2006
From: davecs1 at verizon.net (Dave Calkins 1)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:21:16 -0800
Subject: Text Processing
Message-ID: <6ad47ebf02c6006afced222775571e9b@verizon.net>


On Mar 28, 2006, at 4:18 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

>
> Couple that with the high productivity of Transcript's typelessness,
> chunk expressions, and merge function (just to name a few), Rev would
> seem a worthy contender for anything involving a lot of text  
> processing,
> on the desktop or the server.
>
>

True, Rev "COULD" be a worthy contender for anything involving text  
processing, but not until they add a few of the very basic text editing  
tools that end users need.

Individual Paragraphs in Fields
(BZ #2194)
http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/votes.cgi? 
action=show_bug&bug_id=2194

Centering Individual lines of Text
Indented Paragraphs
I just created a new BZ #3464 for this request
http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=3464

These three would open a whole host of new applications that could be  
built with Rev.

These elementary text editing tools that simple word processors possess  
are required for end users to be able to use certain types of text  
based applications that can not be created with rev.

I'm not trying to create a new word processor, but text based  
management systems are not realistically possible with Rev with it's  
present abilities without a tremendous amount of work and then the end  
users interface is not natural and intuative. End users need to modify  
and format text in these elementary ways. By end users, I mean those  
that use our software, not us programers.

With the present tool set, we can't easily create these types of  
programs.

What other types of text based features would you all find valuable?

Tuviah posted on 9/16/04 in bugzilla 2194 that work was underway for  
improved paragraph styles, but that has been over a year and a half  
ago. Can anyone from Rev comment on the status of these enhancements?

Dave Calkins



From katir at hindu.org  Tue Mar 28 14:27:06 2006
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:27:06 -1000
Subject: ANN: Hinduism Today Digital Edition --  Release Candidate 1.0
In-Reply-To: <85EB0640-4C9C-41AF-A817-58586F5A96DC@rpsystems.net>
References: <BB610C4A-0EF7-4C1F-8DE2-5C31FC8989B6@hindu.org>
	<85EB0640-4C9C-41AF-A817-58586F5A96DC@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <3A22ACC1-5C28-472C-A91A-07C4FBE738D2@hindu.org>

A note to all: I made a blooper in the final candidate upload  
(working to late!) and forgot to lock the "Help" field after making  
some edits... so links there would not work... when you boot Hinduism  
Today Digital Edition later you will be immediately prompted to  
accept an update... (compliments of Altuit altSplash code model)  
*now* the help field is clickable. (and the link to sent a support  
query... which is where I requested everyone too send feedback.)

On Mar 28, 2006, at 7:50 AM, Troy Rollins wrote:

>
> On Mar 28, 2006, at 6:53 AM, Sivakatirswami wrote:
>
>> We are pleased to announce, thanks to everyone's hard work, Andre  
>> Garzia's talents and the support of many on this list, the  
>> Hinduism Today Digital Edition -- "Release Candidate 1.0rc.1"   
>> which just means, all known bugs discovered to date have been  
>> squashed (we hope...) We have been sweating it out here for the  
>> last three weeks, but it came out well, though we are probably a  
>> week or more behind schedule.
>
> Congratulations! I'm sure Andre cooked up some interesting code in  
> there.  ;-)
>
> --
> Troy
> RPSystems, Ltd.
> http://www.rpsystems.net
>
>
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From katir at hindu.org  Tue Mar 28 14:30:08 2006
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:30:08 -1000
Subject: ANN: Hinduism Today Digital Edition --  Release Candidate 1.0
In-Reply-To: <85EB0640-4C9C-41AF-A817-58586F5A96DC@rpsystems.net>
References: <BB610C4A-0EF7-4C1F-8DE2-5C31FC8989B6@hindu.org>
	<85EB0640-4C9C-41AF-A817-58586F5A96DC@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <024BA2C1-E8E5-47C6-AC63-A3EB1D4273DB@hindu.org>

Thanks Troy, though we are a non-profit and this is not a commercial  
product, we gave ourselves a hard deadline to release on April 1st...  
so it was interesting to work under that kind of pressure... of  
course we've been doing that for  years with our magazine... but   
putting ink on paper and sending PDF's to a printer is drop dead easy  
compared to hammering out prototypes and polishing UI and squashing  
mysteriious gremlins i-- a new world for us!

On Mar 28, 2006, at 7:50 AM, Troy Rollins wrote:

>
> On Mar 28, 2006, at 6:53 AM, Sivakatirswami wrote:
>
>> We are pleased to announce, thanks to everyone's hard work, Andre  
>> Garzia's talents and the support of many on this list, the  
>> Hinduism Today Digital Edition -- "Release Candidate 1.0rc.1"   
>> which just means, all known bugs discovered to date have been  
>> squashed (we hope...) We have been sweating it out here for the  
>> last three weeks, but it came out well, though we are probably a  
>> week or more behind schedule.
>
> Congratulations! I'm sure Andre cooked up some interesting code in  
> there.  ;-)
>
> --
> Troy
> RPSystems, Ltd.
> http://www.rpsystems.net
>
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Tue Mar 28 14:33:21 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:33:21 -0800
Subject: Text Processing
In-Reply-To: <6ad47ebf02c6006afced222775571e9b@verizon.net>
References: <6ad47ebf02c6006afced222775571e9b@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <p0623092ac04f3fbc4830@[192.168.1.103]>

Except the discussion was about <web> text processing, which Rev is 
quite capable of.

>On Mar 28, 2006, at 4:18 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
>
>>
>>Couple that with the high productivity of Transcript's typelessness,
>>chunk expressions, and merge function (just to name a few), Rev would
>>seem a worthy contender for anything involving a lot of text processing,
>>on the desktop or the server.
>>
>
>True, Rev "COULD" be a worthy contender for anything involving text 
>processing, but not until they add a few of the very basic text 
>editing tools that end users need.
>

-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -


From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Tue Mar 28 14:41:47 2006
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9.Bisseret?=)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:41:47 +0200
Subject: When closed,
	does a substack whose destroyStack is true remains in memory ?
In-Reply-To: <44297114.8000703@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <E4F89766-BE92-11DA-81A9-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>


Le Tuesday, 28 Mar 2006, ? 19:23 Europe/Paris, J. Landman Gay a ?crit :

> Andr?.Bisseret wrote:
>
> > I had understood from the Doc that if the subStack has its
> > formatForPrinting set to true,  we must avoid to edit it (dump text 
> in
> > it) ?
>
> You will have to try it because I can't remember now. But I think 
> putting text into a field is okay. What you can't do is edit text 
> after it is already in a field. The IDE does something similar when it 
> sets the formatForPrinting of the templateStack, so it should work. 
> But test it.
OK, for me, this looks like a usefull precision ; I will test it (on PC 
of course :-)
Thanks a lot
Andr?
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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>




From johnmiller1950 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Mar 28 14:43:16 2006
From: johnmiller1950 at sbcglobal.net (John Miller)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:43:16 -0500
Subject: Projection Question
Message-ID: <354A796B-B283-4AF3-9633-41C6A98F53C2@sbcglobal.net>

Greetings All,

Does anyone know how to send just a portion (say a particular window)  
of the computer screen to a digital projector.  I would like to  
maintain control while projecting.

Thanks,
John Miller


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue Mar 28 14:46:56 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:46:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <4428F911.5050101@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603281142001.20100-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Indeed, Richard,

That's the very point I would make about Hypercard: that it accomodated
all levels of users.

I'm certainly not making the point that mouse-based interaction is
superior/preferrable/etc. as oppposed to keyboard-based interaction.  Only
that GUIs were initially designed to stress mouse-based interaction over
keyboard-based interaction.

As with our favorite x-talks, more ways of doing things is better ;-)

I SWEAR I still find myself doing the apple-y thingy to eject disks...
even in OS X @;-P

Then, when that predictably doesn't work, I'll just click-drag it to the
trash can.  Always gives my students the willies.

Judy

On Tue, 28 Mar 2006, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Ideally they would do well with both.  One benefit of the keyboard over
> the mouse is that the buttons don't move around. :)
>
> A lot of it depends on the task.  If you're doing a lot of typing you
> don't want to take your hands off the home row to go fiddle with a mouse.
>
> Also, blind customers need keyboard access for all features (though
> sadly I've had little luck getting my Rev-based apps to work with screen
> reader software).
>
> One thing I gotta say in favor of the Win HIG is how Microsoft
> repeatedly stresses the importance of having all features accessible
> from BOTH the keyboard and the mouse.  For all of Apple's push on
> accessibility, it wasn't until Tiger that they made all controls
> keyboard-accessible, and even then it's an option you need to find and
> turn on.



From twright at jamestown.wnyric.org  Tue Mar 28 14:48:00 2006
From: twright at jamestown.wnyric.org (Thom Wright)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:48:00 -0500
Subject: CRM solution
Message-ID: <fc.007582c0009323e3007582c0009323e3.93243b@jamestown.wnyric.org>


still looking for actual information on a CRM solution that has been produced using runrev. I'd like to take the plunge and buy it, and develop one tailored to my needs, but I'd like to see what someone has been able to do with it,  sorry if this is
the wrong way of going about asking.

thanks,


Thom Wright
School Counselor
Jefferson Middle School



From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Tue Mar 28 14:49:14 2006
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 20:49:14 +0100
Subject: Projection Question
In-Reply-To: <354A796B-B283-4AF3-9633-41C6A98F53C2@sbcglobal.net>
References: <354A796B-B283-4AF3-9633-41C6A98F53C2@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <1F793FE7-600F-405D-B6E9-2C55F37CE7A5@azurevision.co.uk>

Just position one window on the screen that is connected to the  
projector - this will only be possible when using an extended  
desktop, not when mirroring.

Ian

P.S. One of the big updates (for me) in Rev 2.7 is the ability to  
recognise multiple screens 'the screenRects' will return coords of  
both screens, with the main screen starting with 0,0. 'the working  
screenRects' will return the usable areas less the menubar.

On 28 Mar 2006, at 20:43, John Miller wrote:

> Greetings All,
>
> Does anyone know how to send just a portion (say a particular  
> window) of the computer screen to a digital projector.  I would  
> like to maintain control while projecting.
>
> Thanks,
> John Miller
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Mar 28 14:51:19 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:51:19 -0800
Subject: Text Processing
Message-ID: <442993B7.5070803@fourthworld.com>

Dave Calkins wrote:

> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>
>> Couple that with the high productivity of Transcript's typelessness,
>> chunk expressions, and merge function (just to name a few), Rev would
>> seem a worthy contender for anything involving a lot of text  
>> processing, on the desktop or the server.
> 
> True, Rev "COULD" be a worthy contender for anything involving text  
> processing, but not until they add a few of the very basic text editing  
> tools that end users need.
> 
> Individual Paragraphs in Fields
> (BZ #2194)
> http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/votes.cgi? 
> action=show_bug&bug_id=2194
> 
> Centering Individual lines of Text
> Indented Paragraphs
> I just created a new BZ #3464 for this request
> http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=3464

Those are indeed valuable, but in the generic sense they're not "text 
processing" features so much as for "word processing", the former being 
related to parsing, searching, and re-assembling text, with the latter 
related more to the formatting and presentation of text.

And of course with web apps, which started this thread, those features 
don't come into play at all.

But I share your enthusiasm for these, and look forward to reading what 
the folks at RunRev have to say on these....

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Tue Mar 28 15:30:26 2006
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9.Bisseret?=)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 22:30:26 +0200
Subject: Avoiding line cut-off in a multipage printout
In-Reply-To: <7AC7BA36-5F8B-4DB3-B21A-53F1AE6F58AF@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B0E32A6A-BE99-11DA-81A9-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>


Le Tuesday, 28 Mar 2006, ? 16:25 Europe/Paris, Graham Samuel a ?crit :

> On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 15:22:25 +0200, Andr? Bisseret 
> <Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr> wrote:
>
> [Some very valuable stuff about the problem of multipage printing of 
> text]
>
> Andr? - this is just a preliminary 'thank you' for taking the trouble 
> to send your script and to comment on it. My French is not quite at 
> zero-level, but it needs all the help it can get! Anyway I am studying 
> your solution and I may ask you some questions about it later on. I am 
> interested in your 'orphan line' solution - this term is also used in 
> English by the way (we also have 'widowed' lines - lignes veuves?? - 
> which is the line before the orphan one,  left on the previous > page...)
You are right ; a "widowed line" ( "ligne veuve" or "une veuve") is 
isolated at the end of a page ; while an orphan line (ligne orpheline) 
is isolated at the top of a page.
So, I was wrong in my preceding post : the problem I was speaking about 
(and the corresponding script) relates to "the widowed lines", not the 
orphan lines.

Best regards
Andr?
>
> Anyway, thanks again
>
> Graham
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
> Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France
>
> _______________________________________________




From see3d at writeme.com  Tue Mar 28 15:48:43 2006
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 15:48:43 -0500
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <20060328174314.4B38F111E2C@spunkymail-a3.dreamhost.com>
References: <20060328174314.4B38F111E2C@spunkymail-a3.dreamhost.com>
Message-ID: <A82107EA-A057-4F16-B92F-110632FC1C8E@writeme.com>

Well,  All I can say to that is I also bought a Swiss army knife,  
bought the Shop Smith (do everything woodworking power center),  
bought the Ryobi Power-One do everything portable power tool kit,  
Bought a color laser printer (for the price of just the included  
expendables) that has built-in duplexing and prints B&W as  
economically as a B&W only laser printer.

I could go on, but I see a pattern forming.  I buy tools.

I look for versatile tools that I can use to solve problems (big or  
small) that I may encounter in the future.  I invest in a tool when  
the price is right --since there is risk in any investment that I may  
not get my investment back out.

I am rarely looking for a tool to solve one problem that I already  
know about --that can justify an expensive tool.  If I have a very  
complex immediate problem that needs an immediate solution, I will  
look for a targeted application first before writing my own program.

Perhaps I am a dying breed -- the self sufficient inventive user of  
tools to create personal solutions.  I do know that the better and  
more versatile the tools that I have, the more empowered and  
confidence I feel about being able to tackle any problem that life  
throws at me.

Who knows, perhaps I represent the leading edge of the market for  
personal programming tools.

Dennis


On Mar 28, 2006, at 12:43 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

>
>> As for Media, at $49 and with a boatload of templates, what's
>> not to like for the "hobbyist"/"inventive user" market?
>
> There is no hobbyist/inventive user from a software marketing  
> perspective -
> that is a "D) none of the above" designation to try to define a  
> bunch of
> unrelated target customers that only superficially look similar.
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Lynn Fredricks
> Worldwide Business Operations
> Runtime Revolution, Ltd



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Mar 28 15:54:46 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:54:46 -0800
Subject: Target not working???
In-Reply-To: <9C1A252F-C81B-4B5C-9317-5CC3F8008A8B@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <C04D4612.387E1%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<7437744A-6C51-46C5-B2CD-EF5DFE0D7807@dsl.pipex.com>
	<0426D48B-BDAF-11DA-A993-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<176A7373-AE3E-4B57-A0B5-CF654D658234@dsl.pipex.com>
	<D4773ED5-BE71-11DA-8DE1-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<9C1A252F-C81B-4B5C-9317-5CC3F8008A8B@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <4116696798.20060328125446@ahsoftware.net>

David-

Tuesday, March 28, 2006, 10:07:25 AM, you wrote:

> function can be called at anytime, but to make it easier to use, I am
> scanning for the ISM_InitializeObject handler and if it's present,  
> call it. The ISM_InitializeObject in the target object can then call

...there's where I think you're fighting the natural xtalk message
path a bit.

Here's what I do in that situation: place the ISM_InitializeObject
handler in your library stack. Then have the openStack handler of each
stack send "ISM_InitializeObject" to every control in the stack. If
there's a ISM_InitializeObject handler in an object it will be
executed, otherwise the message will pass on down to your library
stack and do some default stuff if necessary. No scanning here.

-- in main stack
on openStack
  local x
  
  repeat with x=1 to the number of controls
    send "ISM_InitializeObject" to control x
  end repeat
end openStack

-- in ISM library stack
on ISM_InitializeObject
  local tTriggers

  -- get the list of events this object handles
  put the uRIP["triggers"] of the target into tTriggers
  repeat for each line tEvent in tTriggers
    -- do a default registration
    ISM_Register the id of the target, tEvent, "*"
  end repeat
end ISM_InitializeObject

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Mar 28 15:52:40 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:52:40 -0600
Subject: ANN: Hinduism Today Digital Edition --  Release Candidate 1.0
In-Reply-To: <024BA2C1-E8E5-47C6-AC63-A3EB1D4273DB@hindu.org>
References: <BB610C4A-0EF7-4C1F-8DE2-5C31FC8989B6@hindu.org>	<85EB0640-4C9C-41AF-A817-58586F5A96DC@rpsystems.net>
	<024BA2C1-E8E5-47C6-AC63-A3EB1D4273DB@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <4429A218.2080309@chipp.com>

Looks GREAT! Nice work Sivakatirswamin and Andre!

Everything works here as it should. WinXP.



From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Mar 28 16:16:07 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 23:16:07 +0200
Subject: Applescript?
In-Reply-To: <37684D91-857C-4DC5-B9C2-BDE6CB224FD1@rpsystems.net>
References: <37684D91-857C-4DC5-B9C2-BDE6CB224FD1@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <3268AB24-7B48-4D9E-BAC2-CCFFCBF50ADC@major-k.de>

Hi Troy,

> I have an older application which relies on getting returns to  
> Applescript via telling Revolution to "do script", this app used to  
> work fine in 2.6.1 and earlier, but fails silently in 2.7.x
>
> My Applescript tool (Late Night Software's "Script Debugger X")  
> claims that Revolution is not scriptable, where it used to show  
> support for "do script"... any ideas?

I have asked this a couple of times on this list some time ago, but  
nobody seemed
to care or answered my question...

But what is even stranger: MetaCard (SAME engine!!!) IS scriptable!!!???

Any hints from the "highlanders"? :-)

> Troy
> RPSystems, Ltd.
> http://www.rpsystems.net

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Mar 28 16:26:36 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 15:26:36 -0600
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <A82107EA-A057-4F16-B92F-110632FC1C8E@writeme.com>
References: <20060328174314.4B38F111E2C@spunkymail-a3.dreamhost.com>
	<A82107EA-A057-4F16-B92F-110632FC1C8E@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <4429AA0C.10303@chipp.com>



Dennis Brown wrote:
> Well,  All I can say to that is I also bought a Swiss army knife,  
> bought the Shop Smith (do everything woodworking power center),  bought 
> the Ryobi Power-One do everything portable power tool kit,  Bought a 
> color laser printer (for the price of just the included  expendables) 
> that has built-in duplexing and prints B&W as  economically as a B&W 
> only laser printer.
> 
> I could go on, but I see a pattern forming.  I buy tools.
> 

Check, check and check. You and I aren't related through some distant 
cousin (working at Sears), are we?

Have you gotten into welding yet? A good MIG can do a lot of things..fun 
things.

:-)

-Chipp



From troy_lists at rpsystems.net  Tue Mar 28 16:56:35 2006
From: troy_lists at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 16:56:35 -0500
Subject: Applescript?
In-Reply-To: <3268AB24-7B48-4D9E-BAC2-CCFFCBF50ADC@major-k.de>
References: <37684D91-857C-4DC5-B9C2-BDE6CB224FD1@rpsystems.net>
	<3268AB24-7B48-4D9E-BAC2-CCFFCBF50ADC@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <CA9AC0EC-A5E1-4CAC-85FC-A0CEF2056819@rpsystems.net>


On Mar 28, 2006, at 4:16 PM, Klaus Major wrote:

>>
>> My Applescript tool (Late Night Software's "Script Debugger X")  
>> claims that Revolution is not scriptable, where it used to show  
>> support for "do script"... any ideas?
>
> I have asked this a couple of times on this list some time ago, but  
> nobody seemed
> to care or answered my question...

Ah. So, it isn't just mine.

Darn.

--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net




From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Mar 28 16:59:25 2006
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 13:59:25 -0800
Subject: Retrieve Properties of Image in Variable?
Message-ID: <C04EF1BD.37240%scott@tactilemedia.com>

If you export an image to variable, as in:

  export image pImage to myImg as PNG

...is there any way to retrieve the properties of that image (imageData for
example) without having to place that image into an image object in a stack?

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From jonathandlynch at gmail.com  Tue Mar 28 17:27:56 2006
From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (Jonathan Lynch)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 17:27:56 -0500
Subject: How to use an image as cursor
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References: <b016f13e0603281115l4ec51559l42621088f0c1ebdf@mail.gmail.com>
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I have put some thought into this:

1) You can make a cursor that is a single dot (or invisible)
2) You can make an image that automatically follows the cursor, and on every
mousemove is positioned so that its visible portion is exactly one pixel
below or to the side of the dot (or invisible hotspot)

This way, the image will look like it is the cursor, and you can make it as
big and colorful as you wish. The image will never actually be under the
hotspot of the cursor, it will always be one pixel off. When you click on
the stack, the click will actually hit the stack, not the pretend cursor.

I have experimented with this, and so I know it works.


On 3/28/06, William de Smet <wdesmet at wanadoo.nl> wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> Because I work with disabled children I want to use a bigger cursor in
> my little app.
> The documentation says that you van make your own cursor when the
> image is 16x16 or 32x32 pixels. But I want and need a bigger cursor
> and so far I can't get it to work.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Greetings,
>
> William de Smet
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From rcozens at pon.net  Tue Mar 28 17:33:15 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:33:15 -0800
Subject: Target not working???
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Dave,

>
> My goal is/was to be able to create application more quickly, which is 
> why I use started using RevRev in the first place!
>
> [snip]

> The type of market I work in now means that I have to write many GUI 
> intensive applications and try to sell them to the Customer. They are 
> really just GUI shells to start with and if I do a good enough job and 
> the Gods are with me, I get the contract and then I get paid to do 
> some "real" work.
>
> [snip]
>
> I have used a variety of methods in order to develop apps in RunRev. 
> I've used most of the the methods described by others on the list, For 
> example:
>
> Having a common routine in the stack or card script and hard coding 
> object names or using Custom Properties to visually update controls.
>
> Looping thru all the controls in a card/stack and updating them that 
> way.
>
> A mixture of the two methods above, etc., etc., etc.,
>
> Over time I got better and better at doing it, but all the above 
> methods meant that I had to do tweaking (sometimes non-trivial 
> tweaking) in order to build a new app from parts of other apps and add 
> the new pieces necessary to make the new app.

[snip]
>
> I am now at a point where there is very little or no separation of 
> code and data, by this I mean copying and pasting a visual object into 
> a new app copies both the Visual Object and all the code necessary to 
> make it work.
>
> As it stands now I can take an object from my Object Library or from 
> an existing ISM based App and place it in a new App and the most I 
> have to do to make it work is change a few custom properties in the 
> Property Inspector and hey presto it just works.
>
> No tweaking of scripts, no renaming of objects, no nothing! It just 
> works!
>
> [snip]
>
> When I start a new app, I take whatever pieces I need from the Object 
> Library or existing apps, throw them into a new app and the stuff that 
> did work still works (with no or minimal changes to Custom 
> Properties), leaving just the task that I really want to do which is 
> design and code the new piece.

OK, I'm beginning to conceptualize your library.  But C was almost as 
incomprehensible to me as HyperTalk was to you; so sending messages in 
C is pretty much foreign, or long-ago visited, territory.  The part 
about building a GUI with objects from a library seems straightforward. 
  But I still have no feeling for what is involved in "visually 
updating" controls either via custom properties or looping.  Is this 
necessary every time a stack that includes an iteration of the control 
opens?

 From my limited perspective, I think of "visually updating" of a 
control as involving manipulation of properties like colors/patterns, 
image/icon, or text formatting.  These don't seem to me to be prime 
candidates for runtime updating, and if they were, I would assume a 
consistent look & feel is desired throughout the GUI...if so, colors & 
text can be changed en masse by setting them to empty for all objects 
subordinate to the stack and making all changes at the stack level.  
Images can be changed by switching image libraries or changing image 
files for referenced images.

>> My impression is you a building a library of "standardized objects" 
>> to be referenced by multiple stacks.  All iterations of standardized 
>> objects in that stack are to be initialized per a library stack 
>> handler when it opens and set to some other state when the stack 
>> closes.  Is that essentially the goal of the example?
>
> Yes, that's it. In order to do the above, a "Listen" routine needs to 
> be called for each object that wants to receive a message. The listen 
> function can be called at anytime, but to make it easier to use, I am 
> scanning for the ISM_InitializeObject handler and if it's present, 
> call it. The ISM_InitializeObject in the target object can then call 
> the Listen function to register itself (or any other object for that 
> matter). The same goes in reverse, I want to stop listening when a 
> stack closes.
>

In out-of-the-box Transcript, every object with a script is born 
listening.  The trick is to place a handler in the spot in the message 
hierarchy where it hears requests from all objects that need its 
services.

So one can make handlers and images available to any stack by placing 
the handlers in the library stack script and/or placing the images on 
the first (or any?) library card.  One can change icons en mass by 
switching between to image libraries containing images with identical 
ids.  One can change images by referencing image files instead of 
importing them and then changing the files in the image folder.  One 
can change handler action by editing the handler in the library.  One 
can change the colors and text format en masse by maintaining 
inheritance in all objects below the stack level.  Combined, these 
techniques support making changes in one file or folder that will be 
recognized at runtime by any stack that uses any of the modified 
resources.

Isn't that what you are trying to accomplish when you place a generic 
control & it's associated script in the object library?

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From rcozens at pon.net  Tue Mar 28 17:41:56 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:41:56 -0800
Subject: MonsterCommerce & Rev
In-Reply-To: <p06230928c04f246de154@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <20060328144109.B5A72B6AC@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com>
	<p06230928c04f246de154@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <0FA56992-BEAC-11DA-8487-0030657E1638@pon.net>


Stephen, et al:

> I would never do business with Network Solutions.

Likewise...absolutely and forever!

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Mar 28 17:50:28 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 16:50:28 -0600
Subject: CRM solution
In-Reply-To: <fc.007582c0009323e3007582c0009323e3.93243b@jamestown.wnyric.org>
Message-ID: <C04F19D4.38981%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/28/06 1:48 PM, "Thom Wright" <twright at jamestown.wnyric.org> wrote:

> 
> still looking for actual information on a CRM solution that has been produced
> using runrev. I'd like to take the plunge and buy it, and develop one tailored
> to my needs, but I'd like to see what someone has been able to do with it,
> sorry if this is
> the wrong way of going about asking.

What are the criteria for your CRM? The last time you asked this question, I
posted a link to a Rev-based app that manages people, projects, accounting,
for the entertainment industry:

  http://www.inentertainment.com/

Was that not what you were looking for? Perhaps you could be more
specific...


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Tue Mar 28 17:53:34 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:53:34 -0800
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <20060328174314.4B38F111E2C@spunkymail-a3.dreamhost.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603272340100.13488-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<20060328174314.4B38F111E2C@spunkymail-a3.dreamhost.com>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603281453q6de27f72x246b801a5875bb91@mail.gmail.com>

Lynn......

Say WHAT?

Are you saying no such market exists? That would seem to me to be a strange
conclusion to be drawn by someone who has such major influence over the
marketing of a product that certainly can't be seen as appealing *primarily*
to serious professional programmers who have corporate checklists and
academic training influences to consider when choosing a tool.

I don't know who buys Rev. But based on participation on this list and on
the improve list, I'd have to say it *feels* like a far greater percentage
of people for whom programming is not a full-time occupation, most of whom
are developing software for themselves or their work groups or friends. The
hobbyist/inventive user market may be harder to find or pin down because of
its lack of verticality (verticalness?) but I don't think that makes them a
"bunch of unrelated target customers that only superficially look similar."
I'll be damned surprised if that market isn't the vast majority of the
current user base of Revolution.

On 3/28/06, Lynn Fredricks <lfredricks at proactive-intl.com> wrote:
>
> There is no hobbyist/inventive user from a software marketing perspective
> -
> that is a "D) none of the above" designation to try to define a bunch of
> unrelated target customers that only superficially look similar.
>
>
>

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author
http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
>From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Mar 28 18:04:31 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 15:04:31 -0800
Subject: Target not working???
In-Reply-To: <0746D3B7-3C1F-4DA2-BF01-F7F1BBD86BE9@dsl.pipex.com>
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	<7437744A-6C51-46C5-B2CD-EF5DFE0D7807@dsl.pipex.com>
	<0426D48B-BDAF-11DA-A993-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<8E94910B-EF2E-4315-ACE7-60DF0F95EA87@dsl.pipex.com>
	<11615667939.20060327134115@ahsoftware.net>
	<0746D3B7-3C1F-4DA2-BF01-F7F1BBD86BE9@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <5324482313.20060328150431@ahsoftware.net>

David-

Tuesday, March 28, 2006, 3:09:47 AM, you wrote:

> I really can't see that I am "fighting the "natural" object
> hierarchy". The loop (or something like it needs) to be held  
> somewhere, the fact that it is held in a "central" place really  
> doesn't make much difference. In your example I'd need N loops, one
> for each stack, doing it my way just results in one loop, e.g. less
> code. Of course you could make a common function out of your loop and
> store it in the Stack Script or in a Library and then just call it  
> from each object. This wouldn't be "fighting the "natural" object  
> hierarchy", so how can putting in *my* library be different?

No.

It's tested now. The loop goes in the library stack. One loop. Then it
gets called on openStack. One line of code per stack. You don't "call"
it from each object, you send the message to the object from the loop.
If it's not overloaded in the object it falls through to the library
stack. That's OOP in action. The fact that it's in a library stack
makes all the difference. And it's fast because there's no need to
scan the object scripts.

--in library
on InitializeEvents
 local x
 repeat with x=1 to the number of controls
   send "ISM_InitializeObject" to control x
 end repeat
end InitializeEvents

on ISM_InitializeObject
  -- we get here if there no ISM_InitializeObject
  -- handler in the control.
  -- do the default stuff here
end ISM_InitializeObject

--in each stack
on openStack
  InitializeEvents
end openStack

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Tue Mar 28 18:39:45 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 15:39:45 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <B99B9836-9C81-4832-A580-628F86B5FB60@runrev.com>
References: <442832A7.2020005@fourthworld.com>
	<70ed6b130603272314gb2c1a3es5f4490893b88b8d5@mail.gmail.com>
	<B99B9836-9C81-4832-A580-628F86B5FB60@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603281539o696b90e6y61716b488bba44bd@mail.gmail.com>

Some great information in the replies by Richard and Mark Waddingham here.
Rather than quote them and intersperse comments, I thought I'd just make a
point or two in response.

Mark, you're right that the "secret sauce" here is training the Web server
to route pages to specific processes based on file extensions. So a page
ending in ".revhtml" or whatever could be mapped to invoke the Rev engine. I
think that installing Ruby and RoR handles that file editing transparently,
so it doesn't appear that there's any magic but there clearly is.

Taking your advice, Richard, I spent another half hour with merge and I
think the light is beginning to dawn for me. Based on my reading of the
(rather sparse) docs, I *assumed* it would not work to try to execute
abritrary code from inside those square brackets (or, as it turns out, using
a "return" statment in the more conventional <? and ?> delimiters, which Rev
also supports). I'm not sure where the limitations are but a bit of
experimenting revealed that I could get the following to work:

put merge ("It is now day [[line (dayOfWeek(the time)) of the weekdayNames]]
in Monterey, California") into field "htest"

Here, dayOfWeek is a function defined in the card script and the
weekdayNames is a built-in system function that returns a list of the names
of the days of the week, one per line. So I successfully executed a custom
function call that used two bulit-in system functions (the time and the
weekdayNames) and it worked.

Clearly, then, I would be able to do this same thing in a .revhtml page on
the server by invoking a Rev script after proper setup as described by Mark.

The possibilities begin to become clearer now. I'm going to putter a bit
more with this and see what I can come up with on my local (OS X Apache) Web
server. I have it on good authority that Andre Garzia is going to have some
very cool stuff along these lines to share with us in Monterey. I can hardly
wait.

Dan


From katir at hindu.org  Tue Mar 28 18:40:49 2006
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 13:40:49 -1000
Subject: revGoUrl Fails on Windows?
Message-ID: <5324105C-80BA-4EBB-83BF-E00F3D0E18A7@hindu.org>

The testing of Hinduism Today Digital Edition is going well. Actually  
there are very few expected bugs, but new unexpected caveats are  
coming up from the cracks:

Here is the most "egregious" of the problems: on many windows  
machines, it seems  the registry or some security things are set up  
in such a way that

revGoURL "http://www.example.org/info.html"
revGoURL "mailto:letters at hindu.org"

Are failing... Is there a way to over come this? My feeble  
understanding is that it is problem with the Windows Registry.

I'm sure other developers must have encountered this.. what is the  
work around? Or, is this a new problem with 2.7?

Looks like it is another good reason to embed Altuit's  browser!

Sivakatirswami





From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Mar 28 18:46:10 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 15:46:10 -0800
Subject: ANN: Hinduism Today Digital Edition --  Release Candidate 1.0
Message-ID: <11626982108.20060328154610@ahsoftware.net>

Sivakatirswami-

I tried to email you this directly, but it was rejected by your email
server (with a 582 error - that's a new one for me - "This message
violates our email policy"). Musta been something I said:

FYI: the page

http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/html/htde_terms-of-service.shtml

has a cosmetic problem with the HTML at clause 12 (there a "<br/>"
where there should be a "</br>").

Also, the link in clause 13 to
http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/html/policy.shtml results in a
404 message. As does the
http://www.himalayanacademy.com/contact.html
link at the bottom of the page.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Mar 28 19:41:47 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 16:41:47 -0800
Subject: ANN: Hinduism Today Digital Edition --  Release Candidate 1.0
In-Reply-To: <BB610C4A-0EF7-4C1F-8DE2-5C31FC8989B6@hindu.org>
References: <BB610C4A-0EF7-4C1F-8DE2-5C31FC8989B6@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <830318856.20060328164147@ahsoftware.net>

Sivakatirswami-

More:

Haven't had a chance to test this on OSX yet, but on Windows after
downloading the current edition, I got a "Runtime Error!" dialog from
the Microsoft Visual C++ Runtime Library with an error message of
"abnormal program termination". Not sure what happened there. Closed
it, relaunched, and all is well.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jerry at hytext.com  Tue Mar 28 19:45:37 2006
From: jerry at hytext.com (Jerry Muelver)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 18:45:37 -0600
Subject: Text Processing
In-Reply-To: <p0623092ac04f3fbc4830@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <6ad47ebf02c6006afced222775571e9b@verizon.net>
	<p0623092ac04f3fbc4830@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <4429D8B1.8020709@hytext.com>

Stephen Barncard wrote:
> Except the discussion was about <web> text processing, which Rev is 
> quite capable of.

True, except for ordered lists... unordered lists... tables... 
JavaScript or PHP code... CSS... text wrap-around for graphics... 
positionable DIVs... H1-H6 tag preservation (RR converts to deprecated 
FONT tags).... stuff like that there....

---- Jerry Muelver


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Mar 28 19:57:10 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 16:57:10 -0800
Subject: Text Processing
Message-ID: <4429DB66.5060501@fourthworld.com>

Jerry Muelver wrote:
> Stephen Barncard wrote:
>> Except the discussion was about <web> text processing, which Rev is 
>> quite capable of.
> 
> True, except for ordered lists... unordered lists... tables... 
> JavaScript or PHP code... CSS... text wrap-around for graphics... 
> positionable DIVs... H1-H6 tag preservation (RR converts to deprecated 
> FONT tags).... stuff like that there....

Depends which side of client-server you're on.

True enough, Rev makes no claim to being a web browser.

But for _generating_ CSS, JavaScript, etc. (the origin of this thread) 
all those standards are just plain text, which Rev can slice and dice 
with the best of them....

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 28 19:56:56 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 16:56:56 -0800
Subject: Applescript?
In-Reply-To: <CA9AC0EC-A5E1-4CAC-85FC-A0CEF2056819@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <C04F1B58.36CF2%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>


To be clear, Rev 2.2.1 allowed the "do script" to be sent from another
program to Rev and trigger a handler. I used this form.

Then, version 2.5.1 no longer would respond automatically, but required
adding an AppleEvent handler that would trap AppleEvents, then parse the
parameters to find what kind of call and which handler to process.

EXPERIMENT
goal [1] to get it to work simply
goal [2] to see double, triple call results
goal [3] to see 'answer dialog' difficulties

Here is how to call a handler in the current stack script or further along
the message hierarchy
--in Script Editor [goal 1]
tell application "Revolution"
    ?event miscdosc? " testHandlerA"
end tell

where 'misc' is appleevent class miscellaneous
'dosc' is do script
' testHandlerA' is the handler name

in Rev (1) make a new main stack
(2) paste the following TWO handlers into the main stack script
(3) switch from pointer mode to browse mode
(4) make sure your new stack is in front.
(5) empty the message box to see the output
(6) for some reason with 2.6.1 in the IDE it was necessary for me to go from
browse mode to pointer mode and back again to get the AS call to work each
time.

--script 1 --
on appleEvent p1, p2, p3
  
  request AppleEvent data
  put cr & p1&& p2 && p3 && it after msg
  
  if p1 & p2 is "aevtquit" then
    if the mode of stack "answer dialog" is not 0 then exit to top -- dialog
on screen
    revCheckQuit
    if the result is "quit" then
      lock messages -- prevent duplicate shutDownRequest
      quit 
    else
      exit appleEvent
    end if
  end if
  if p1&p2 is "aevtodoc" then
    --appleEvent sent when stack is opened from the finder
    request AppleEvent data
    put it into tData
    repeat for each line l in tData
      lock messages
      put (there is a stack l) into tExists
      unlock messages
      if not tExists then answer error "Unable to open stack: stack is
corrupted, check for ~ backup file."
      else go stack l
    end repeat
    exit appleEvent
  end if
  if p1&p2 is "aevtdosc" then
    --appleEvent sent when stack is opened from the finder
    request AppleEvent data
    put it into tData
    try
      --do tData
      send tData to me in 500 milliseconds
    catch errorMsg
      answer error "Unable to execute handler '"&tData&"'..."
      exit appleEvent
    end try
    exit appleEvent
  end if
  
  pass appleEvent
end appleEvent

on testHandlerA
  --answer "You got here via AS  !!!"
  put cr& "You got here via AS  !!!    another fine functionality" after msg
end testHandlerA

on testHandlerB
  --answer "The BBBBB version  !!!" after msg
  put cr& "The B version  !!!    " after msg
end testHandlerB
---------------------------  end copy of code here ------
--CAUTION  this will cause a dialog box to show and point out another
gotcha... the calling Applescript will not complete until Rev completes the
AppleEvent handler.  Therefore, you should use the 'send' command in Rev

as follows :  
send tData to me in 500 milliseconds


EXPERIMENT
Now try adding another event
tell application "Revolution"
    ?event miscdosc? "testHandlerA"
    ?event miscdosc? "testHandlerB excessData"
    
    set readyFlag to "true"
    ?event miscdosc? "testHandlerB " & readyFlag
    
    set story to "A fine sunny day in the garden"
    ?event miscdosc? "testHandlerB " & story
    
end tell

EXPERIMENT
Now try using the 'do' line and not the 'send' line
Note the order of execution!!

EXPERIMENT
Now try using answer dialogs with and without 'send'

Thanks to the great work of Ken Ray
Valuable links
http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/ascr004.htm

http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/revolution.htm

Hope you find this useful

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 3/28/06 1:56 PM, "Troy Rollins" <troy_lists at rpsystems.net> wrote:

> 
> On Mar 28, 2006, at 4:16 PM, Klaus Major wrote:
> 
>>> 
>>> My Applescript tool (Late Night Software's "Script Debugger X")
>>> claims that Revolution is not scriptable, where it used to show
>>> support for "do script"... any ideas?
>> 
>> I have asked this a couple of times on this list some time ago, but
>> nobody seemed
>> to care or answered my question...
> 
> Ah. So, it isn't just mine.
> 
> Darn.
> 
> --
> Troy
> RPSystems, Ltd.
> http://www.rpsystems.net
> 
> 
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 28 20:12:52 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 17:12:52 -0800
Subject: Applescript? CORRECTION
In-Reply-To: <CA9AC0EC-A5E1-4CAC-85FC-A0CEF2056819@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <C04F1F14.36CF8%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

DON'T USE THE PREVIOUS APPLEEVENT HANDLER
--I included 1 bug ==> "aevtdosc" rather than miscdosc"
--and a dangling comment
FIxed here.

To be clear, Rev 2.2.1 allowed the "do script" to be sent from another
program to Rev and trigger a handler. I used this form.

Then, version 2.5.1 no longer would respond automatically, but required
adding an AppleEvent handler that would trap AppleEvents, then parse the
parameters to find what kind of call and which handler to process.

EXPERIMENT
goal [1] to get it to work simply
goal [2] to see double, triple call results
goal [3] to see 'answer dialog' difficulties

Here is how to call a handler in the current stack script or further along
the message hierarchy
--in Script Editor [goal 1]
tell application "Revolution"
    ?event miscdosc? " testHandlerA"
end tell

where 'misc' is appleevent class miscellaneous
'dosc' is do script
' testHandlerA' is the handler name

in Rev (1) make a new main stack
(2) paste the following TWO handlers into the main stack script
(3) switch from pointer mode to browse mode
(4) make sure your new stack is in front.
(5) empty the message box to see the output
(6) for some reason with 2.6.1 in the IDE it was necessary for me to go from
browse mode to pointer mode and back again to get the AS call to work each
time.

--script 1 --
on appleEvent p1, p2, p3
  
  request AppleEvent data
  put cr & p1&& p2 && p3 && it after msg
  
  if p1 & p2 is "aevtquit" then
    if the mode of stack "answer dialog" is not 0 then exit to top -- dialog
on screen
    revCheckQuit
    if the result is "quit" then
      lock messages -- prevent duplicate shutDownRequest
      quit 
    else
      exit appleEvent
    end if
  end if
  if p1&p2 is "aevtodoc" then
    --appleEvent sent when stack is opened from the finder
    request AppleEvent data
    put it into tData
    repeat for each line l in tData
      lock messages
      put (there is a stack l) into tExists
      unlock messages
      if not tExists then answer error "Unable to open stack: stack is
corrupted, check for ~ backup file."
      else go stack l
    end repeat
    exit appleEvent
  end if
  if p1&p2 is "miscdosc" then
    request AppleEvent data
    put it into tData
    try
      --do tData
      send tData to me in 500 milliseconds
    catch errorMsg
      answer error "Unable to execute handler '"&tData&"'..."
      exit appleEvent
    end try
    exit appleEvent
  end if
  
  pass appleEvent
end appleEvent

on testHandlerA
  --answer "You got here via AS  !!!"
  put cr& "You got here via AS  !!!    another fine functionality" after msg
end testHandlerA

on testHandlerB
  --answer "The BBBBB version  !!!" after msg
  put cr& "The B version  !!!    " after msg
end testHandlerB
---------------------------  end copy of code here ------
--CAUTION  this will cause a dialog box to show and point out another
gotcha... the calling Applescript will not complete until Rev completes the
AppleEvent handler.  Therefore, you should use the 'send' command in Rev

as follows :  
send tData to me in 500 milliseconds


EXPERIMENT
Now try adding another event
tell application "Revolution"
    ?event miscdosc? "testHandlerA"
    ?event miscdosc? "testHandlerB excessData"
    
    set readyFlag to "true"
    ?event miscdosc? "testHandlerB " & readyFlag
    
    set story to "A fine sunny day in the garden"
    ?event miscdosc? "testHandlerB " & story
    
end tell

EXPERIMENT
Now try using the 'do' line and not the 'send' line
Note the order of execution!!

EXPERIMENT
Now try using answer dialogs with and without 'send'

Thanks to the great work of Ken Ray
Valuable links
http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/ascr004.htm

http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/revolution.htm

Hope you find this useful

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 3/28/06 1:56 PM, "Troy Rollins" <troy_lists at rpsystems.net> wrote:

> 
> On Mar 28, 2006, at 4:16 PM, Klaus Major wrote:
> 
>>> 
>>> My Applescript tool (Late Night Software's "Script Debugger X")
>>> claims that Revolution is not scriptable, where it used to show
>>> support for "do script"... any ideas?
>> 
>> I have asked this a couple of times on this list some time ago, but
>> nobody seemed
>> to care or answered my question...
> 
> Ah. So, it isn't just mine.
> 
> Darn.
> 
> --
> Troy
> RPSystems, Ltd.
> http://www.rpsystems.net
> 
> 
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Tue Mar 28 20:11:34 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 17:11:34 -0800
Subject: Text Processing
In-Reply-To: <4429D8B1.8020709@hytext.com>
References: <6ad47ebf02c6006afced222775571e9b@verizon.net>
	<p0623092ac04f3fbc4830@[192.168.1.103]> <4429D8B1.8020709@hytext.com>
Message-ID: <p0623092cc04f8e9dc4f3@[192.168.1.103]>

Why would I need PHP if I have Rev working? I thought that was the idea.

That HTML building stuff is easy to create in Transcript..

>Stephen Barncard wrote:
>>Except the discussion was about <web> text processing, which Rev is 
>>quite capable of.
>
>True, except for ordered lists... unordered lists... tables... 
>JavaScript or PHP code... CSS... text wrap-around for graphics... 
>positionable DIVs... H1-H6 tag preservation (RR converts to 
>deprecated FONT tags).... stuff like that there....
>
>---- Jerry Muelver

-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -


From lynn at paradigmasoft.com  Tue Mar 28 20:31:20 2006
From: lynn at paradigmasoft.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 17:31:20 -0800
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603281453q6de27f72x246b801a5875bb91@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1068526560-258266421@lindbergh.macserve.net>

> Say WHAT?
> 
> Are you saying no such market exists? That would seem to me 
> to be a strange conclusion to be drawn...<snip>

Just like I said - there is so much variety to be found in what people often
refer to as "hobbyist/inventive" that it really isnt by itself, a category.
Some of these you can place in distances outside of the bull's eye of
targeting - in doing so you redefine those into being something other than
the amorphous "D. None of the above".

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd




From troy_lists at rpsystems.net  Tue Mar 28 20:32:32 2006
From: troy_lists at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 20:32:32 -0500
Subject: Applescript? CORRECTION
In-Reply-To: <C04F1F14.36CF8%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C04F1F14.36CF8%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F00E1E6B-E78C-4E7B-9260-8522A353C90A@rpsystems.net>


On Mar 28, 2006, at 8:12 PM, Jim Ault wrote:

> To be clear, Rev 2.2.1 allowed the "do script" to be sent from another
> program to Rev and trigger a handler. I used this form.

Thanks Jim. This is exactly the issue that I'm talking about. Kind of  
disappointing to have to rebuild all of my AS/Rev interactions in  
order to do an update to this application. I liked it better when Rev  
had an actual (albeit short) Applescript dictionary. Now it just  
claims to not be Applescriptable at all.

I guess I'll run some experiments, but I may decide that it isn't  
worth the bother and the application can just die.

--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net




From troy_lists at rpsystems.net  Tue Mar 28 20:50:32 2006
From: troy_lists at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 20:50:32 -0500
Subject: Applescript? CORRECTION
In-Reply-To: <C04F1F14.36CF8%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C04F1F14.36CF8%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A31DE354-4BA4-46C8-8E65-A06ED72C078D@rpsystems.net>


On Mar 28, 2006, at 8:12 PM, Jim Ault wrote:

> EXPERIMENT

Jim, my previously working AS/Rev combination involved Rev setting  
the values of Applescript variables via "do script", I'm not sure I  
see how AppleEvents resolves this. Have you done this by any chance?  
How are any values returned to the calling application?

I can't believe I missed this function's apparent deprecation...

--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net




From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 28 21:11:33 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 18:11:33 -0800
Subject: Applescript? CORRECTION
In-Reply-To: <A31DE354-4BA4-46C8-8E65-A06ED72C078D@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <C04F2CD5.36D01%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

I have not used the return of a value to the calling AppleScript program.  I
do use the following:
do codeString as Applescript

to send data to Excel, and also to ask Excel for data, but both originate in
Rev.

Someone on the list a few months ago was going to send me an example stack
about this, but I cannot remember who.

My solution if I had to program it tonight would be to use the
[trigger the appleevent miscdosc  executing a line...
send "revToApp" to me in 1000 millisecs

on revToApp 
would fire and pass a global (which was set by a prev handler) to the target
app, like Excel.

I agree, this is a messy way of having to figure things out.  I keep
thinking I will get it all figured out someday, build an example stack, and
post it.  Funny how Applescript seems to become a quagmire of 'ok, I see
that, but how do you do this?'  For me, it often defies logic, even when you
see the solution.

Hope this helps.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 3/28/06 5:50 PM, "Troy Rollins" <troy_lists at rpsystems.net> wrote:

> 
> On Mar 28, 2006, at 8:12 PM, Jim Ault wrote:
> 
>> EXPERIMENT
> 
> Jim, my previously working AS/Rev combination involved Rev setting
> the values of Applescript variables via "do script", I'm not sure I
> see how AppleEvents resolves this. Have you done this by any chance?
> How are any values returned to the calling application?
> 
> I can't believe I missed this function's apparent deprecation...
> 
> --
> Troy
> RPSystems, Ltd.
> http://www.rpsystems.net
> 
> 
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Mar 28 21:19:15 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 18:19:15 -0800
Subject: Applescript?
Message-ID: <4429EEA3.6040105@fourthworld.com>

Thanks Jim and Ken for the AppleScript tips.

This leads to two more questions:

1. How does one add a dictionary to their app?

2. Anyone here added Automator support to their app?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From troy_lists at rpsystems.net  Tue Mar 28 21:23:44 2006
From: troy_lists at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:23:44 -0500
Subject: Applescript? CORRECTION
In-Reply-To: <C04F2CD5.36D01%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C04F2CD5.36D01%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FD5BD913-3F02-4AF2-9760-3C40A2CFE43A@rpsystems.net>


On Mar 28, 2006, at 9:11 PM, Jim Ault wrote:

> I have not used the return of a value to the calling AppleScript  
> program.  I
> do use the following:
> do codeString as Applescript

Yes, my same application does this as well. In fact, in this program,  
Rev can be one of the applications which launches the AppleScript,  
which then in turn asks Rev to populate various variables it may  
require. Now, I'll probably have to create the scripts differently  
for when Rev is the caller, and simple pre-calculate all of the  
parameters... which may not be possible without a significant rework.

Ah well. It used to work really cool. "do script" was about the only  
thing in the Rev AS dictionary, but it was all you needed. You could  
call functions directly, and get returned values by way of populating  
AS variables. This new way is like both things can talk to each  
other, but neither are really listening.

--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Mar 28 21:50:39 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 20:50:39 -0600
Subject: [OT] Platform-specific web page
In-Reply-To: <44287BC9.7050808@comcast.net>
References: <f99b52860603271346h6f4516f8p631d925c635e951d@mail.gmail.com>
	<44287BC9.7050808@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4429F5FF.6020502@hyperactivesw.com>

Phil Davis wrote:
> Hi Sarah,
> 
> Off the top of my head I don't remember, but (if you're not already 
> aware of it) here's a GREAT site for all kinds of HTML/JS/browser/etc info:
> 
>    http://www.quirksmode.org/

That's an interesting site, thanks for the link. He has a good article 
on web applications there -- "Web Applications, Promise or Hype?" -- 
which fits in with some of the things recently discussed on the list 
here. A partial quote:

"In order to draw users towards Web applications, they must have clear, 
easily explained advantages over desktop applications?and not all that 
stuff about "vendor independence" and "standards support", either. 
That's tech speak. Users don't care about it.

"I feel that a purely technical focus will lead to the slavish copying 
of desktop application behavior to an alien environment where it'll lose 
any usability comparision. That's the same error DHTML proponents made 
years ago. A Web application should be a Web application, not a bad copy 
of a desktop application."

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From katir at hindu.org  Tue Mar 28 22:20:32 2006
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 17:20:32 -1000
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603271010p6919542ao38d2a8f874f688fa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20060315180004.23F3082638F@mail.runrev.com>
	<44187281.9030805@fourthworld.com> <441893AA.3070407@chipp.com>
	<31e1938c0603151459s4a8b4f16n24e508ae63758cd8@mail.gmail.com>
	<425B1B3B-FB08-4DA7-B091-588A7D615D2D@easynet.fr>
	<31e1938c0603151552m36f7c710h607cf982ea5200a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<70ed6b130603151705r462ad5fdn9133039773b87824@mail.gmail.com>
	<85D1490E-6A59-4337-BA53-713E12280DA0@hindu.org>
	<70ed6b130603251427g78b1a9fag9fa0acefbe481dcf@mail.gmail.com>
	<70ed6b130603271010p6919542ao38d2a8f874f688fa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A4AC4039-4028-4994-9D57-25271B395F3A@hindu.org>

On Mar 27, 2006, at 8:10 AM, Dan Shafer wrote:


> That is where a Web app framework -- like Ruby on Rails, though  
> there are
> several others worthy of consideration -- shows its strength. By  
> adopting
> the model-view-controller (MVC) design paradigm, RoR creates an  
> effective
> split between presentation and logic. The HTML designer works on  
> views. The
> developer creates Controllers that look to Models for data they  
> need to send
> to the views and for other logic that affects program execution. That
> bifurcation is important on non-trivial applications. A Web app  
> framework
> that follows the MVC paradigm (or perhaps some other approach that  
> provides
> the same division of labor) is preferable to CGI-based solutions  
> which not
> only encourage but demand a mixing of the two somewhat incompatible  
> skill
> sets.

Dan, this is a good point, in my ignorance I may be making this all  
too simplistic, but is not the "bifurcation" a design decision?

I mean if  the SSI <! include exec some rev.cgi.> returns data to the  
HTML page instead of an HTML chunk, then you have the separation  
between "views" and "data"  you describe, n'est pas? No? And if  
Revolution is running as a daemon then even if you had 10 such SSI  
calls in a given web page, I don't see how this would be  
substantially different from having 10 merge statements embed in the  
page ... in fact, if separation between the vehicle (view) and the  
data in it (returned by SSI's) is "important on non-trivial  
applications" then doesn't putting the  merge statements back into  
the html break that mandate? i.e. Marks solution puts the entire  
burden of the page development on the programmer and the HTML page  
designer is out cold.

I mean doesn't a page like this elaborated to some thing more complex  
and really useful:

<html>
     <head>
       <title>Current Server Time</title>
     </head>
     <body>
       The current server time is [[the internet date]]
     </body>
   </html>

take you right back here where you didn't want to be:

> This means, e.g., that the person writing the CGI must know HTML  
> and the
> page design with which the CGI is designed to work. It also means  
> that the
> HTML designer must typically be given access to the CGI code or, in  
> the
> alternative, the CGI developer must be asked to hack HTML into the CGI
> itself. In both cases, we mix presentation and functionality in a  
> way that
> is fraught with danger and maintenance issues.

On the other hand, that problem set aside (even though, for me at  
least it *is* a core issue I face on a daily basis)  I guess we can  
see that Marks model is fundamentally different than

<html>
     <head>
       <title>Current Server Time</title>
     </head>
     <body>
       The current server time is <! include exec="someRev.cgi">
     </body>
   </html>

where -- if you had ten of these includes in the page -- you are  
asking apache to call the CGI ten times.

Yes, I too saw those warnings: "But if a majority of your page is  
being generated at the time that it is served, you need to look for
some other solution." But I just ignored them. We were not  
sophisticated enough to do a full on dBase web site and so SSI, was  
our only solution to global maintenance and separation of content  
from the DOM.

And we really don't see any delivery time issues with pages that look  
like the ones below. Of course, it we had super heavy traffic it   
might be different. I'm actually thinking now of changing the entire  
model to using a dBase web site or  XML-XSLT with flat files that  
regenerates the entire web site (or areas) that are 100% static code  
(no SSI's at all in the web pages at all) so then Apache has no work  
to do other than ship bytes. But, until SSI proves itself to be bad,  
and despite warnings I see no problems so far.. we will continue to  
use it. (aside: But what's happening is that the web site is now much  
more than just pages, it is an historical resource and in its present  
form, inaccessible. WE sell rights to some of the data engine  
companies, meanwhile we ourselves we don't even have a decent index.  
so I want to recast the content in a way that will make it much more  
useful... but I don't really know what direction to go in...)

This is an excellent discussion, I find one of our regular  
"challenges" is how to open up channels to engage more people in the  
process of web content distribution, where the "wiki" and "blog"  
model is too open ended, and yet you need a UI where people can  
contribute directly. I would concur with Chipp about separating the  
framework and talking in terms of libraries...if you keep mucking  
around changing the framework your productivity will drop through the  
floor. Though my wish list of Libraries might be different, its the  
same need.  A typical real world example could be someone who is  
responsible to inputting textual information (blog if you want to  
call it that, but it could be any kind of web page) and you want that  
to appear on a web page but you need to have it spell checked first.

All Hinduism Today web pages look like this and while the DOM is a  
bad one (the  XML tree is not complete in itself in the template doc  
and I am going fix all that one day) .. now.. imagine these includes  
were entire "processes"  There are lots of reasons why we need to  
completely re-think how we deliver this content, but this does work.  
2/3s of the page in terms or structural elements is SSI. the end  
result is an archaic, impossible table based page from before CSS era..

Sivakatirswami


==============

<HTML>
<!--#include virtual="/ssi/copyright.txt" -->
<HEAD>
<TITLE>Hinduism Today | Movies | October/November/December, 2005 </ 
TITLE>

<!--#include virtual="/ssi/article_header.txt" -->

<!--Start article text-->

<h4>October/November/December, 2005 </h4><p>MOVIES</p>

<h1> "Super Size Me!"</h1>

<hr  class="shortrule" />

<h2>Breakfast, lunch and dinner at McDonald's for a month how it  
ruined a filmmaker's health </h2>

<h3>By Mark Hawthorne, California
</h3>

<p>[snip... where the article text itself consists of very simple   
mark up] eating disorders.</p>

<!--End article text-->

<!-- ======= FOOTER TEXT ======= -->
<!--#include virtual="/ssi/article_footer.txt" -->
<!-- =========================== -->
</HTML>


From troy_lists at rpsystems.net  Tue Mar 28 22:25:34 2006
From: troy_lists at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 22:25:34 -0500
Subject: Applescript? CORRECTION
In-Reply-To: <FD5BD913-3F02-4AF2-9760-3C40A2CFE43A@rpsystems.net>
References: <C04F2CD5.36D01%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<FD5BD913-3F02-4AF2-9760-3C40A2CFE43A@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <42C8965C-7570-48A2-9421-533681E0D348@rpsystems.net>


On Mar 28, 2006, at 9:23 PM, Troy Rollins wrote:

> Yes, my same application does this as well. In fact, in this  
> program, Rev can be one of the applications which launches the  
> AppleScript, which then in turn asks Rev to populate various  
> variables it may require. Now, I'll probably have to create the  
> scripts differently for when Rev is the caller, and simple pre- 
> calculate all of the parameters... which may not be possible  
> without a significant rework.

The good news is that because Rev is so adept at manipulating chunks  
of text, it wasn't too hard to regain functionality by having Rev  
dynamically generate the applescript code and precalculate the values  
of all the variables in advance, embedding them in the applescript  
before launching it. I should be able to do this for the larger  
functions that I have, but I did it with a smaller one and it works  
out OK.

I still preferred the ability to have the two carry on a backs and  
forth dialog, since the Applecsript may need to deal with dynamic  
events during its life, and without the ability to call functions and  
repopulate variables it feels like a one-way trip.

It wouldn't bother me too much if it hadn't worked so much better  
before. Unless I am missing something about the way AppleEvents are  
handled we lost a lot of Mac capability somewhere along with "do  
script".

--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net




From lelandj at mail.smvfp.com  Tue Mar 28 23:20:39 2006
From: lelandj at mail.smvfp.com (Leland Jackson)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 22:20:39 -0600
Subject: [OT] Platform-specific web page
In-Reply-To: <4429F5FF.6020502@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <f99b52860603271346h6f4516f8p631d925c635e951d@mail.gmail.com>	<44287BC9.7050808@comcast.net>
	<4429F5FF.6020502@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <442A0B17.2070501@mail.smvfp.com>

What I realized 7 or 8 years ago, is the Internet is the new OS in which 
about all application will run.  I think other people around the world 
are beginning to understand the change that is coming.  Microsoft may 
still control the OS market share today, but I believe the Internet OS 
will controls the future over which most all applications must 
standardize and live.

All the other OS(s) like Unix, Solaris, Mac, Linux, and Windows will 
have their own version of a web server, that will offer up the 
applications, but the desktop computers, laptop computers, cell phones,  
ipods, and other future web clients will be standardize, so a web 
application will be accessible and run in the web OS, with all the web 
hardware, networks, web languages, and web standards, across the board.  
This will make all the other OS(s) like Windows, Linux, Mac, and Unix 
less relevant, as the web applications will perform and look the same 
regardless of which of these platforms is used.  The Internet, and its 
tools, including the web based languages like Java, .Net, Perl, Php, 
Python, Ruby, etc, and other coming languages and foundations, will 
continue to evolve, so the application interface will  become more 
robust, and the applications can be easily accessed using whatever 
platform is chosen.

Regards,

LelandJ

J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Phil Davis wrote:
>
>> Hi Sarah,
>>
>> Off the top of my head I don't remember, but (if you're not already 
>> aware of it) here's a GREAT site for all kinds of HTML/JS/browser/etc 
>> info:
>>
>>    http://www.quirksmode.org/
>
>
> That's an interesting site, thanks for the link. He has a good article 
> on web applications there -- "Web Applications, Promise or Hype?" -- 
> which fits in with some of the things recently discussed on the list 
> here. A partial quote:
>
> "In order to draw users towards Web applications, they must have 
> clear, easily explained advantages over desktop applications?and not 
> all that stuff about "vendor independence" and "standards support", 
> either. That's tech speak. Users don't care about it.
>
> "I feel that a purely technical focus will lead to the slavish copying 
> of desktop application behavior to an alien environment where it'll 
> lose any usability comparision. That's the same error DHTML proponents 
> made years ago. A Web application should be a Web application, not a 
> bad copy of a desktop application."
>



From martyknapp at comcast.net  Wed Mar 29 00:01:43 2006
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:01:43 -0800
Subject: Roll your own sliders
Message-ID: <442A14B7.8040007@comcast.net>

I recently needed to roll my own sliders, so put together a little stack 
that might be a help to someone just getting started with a similar 
project. I tried to upload to my user space but got an error (will try 
again later). In the mean time, take a look if you're interested:

go stack URL "http://www.westshorecraftworks.com/MartysSliders.rev"


Marty Knapp


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Mar 29 01:15:28 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 00:15:28 -0600
Subject: Applescript?
In-Reply-To: <3268AB24-7B48-4D9E-BAC2-CCFFCBF50ADC@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <C04F8220.389CE%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/28/06 3:16 PM, "Klaus Major" <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:

> Hi Troy,
> 
>> I have an older application which relies on getting returns to
>> Applescript via telling Revolution to "do script", this app used to
>> work fine in 2.6.1 and earlier, but fails silently in 2.7.x
>> 
>> My Applescript tool (Late Night Software's "Script Debugger X")
>> claims that Revolution is not scriptable, where it used to show
>> support for "do script"... any ideas?
> 
> I have asked this a couple of times on this list some time ago, but
> nobody seemed
> to care or answered my question...
> 
> But what is even stranger: MetaCard (SAME engine!!!) IS scriptable!!!???
> 
> Any hints from the "highlanders"? :-)

Yes... the reason is that MetaCard still contains a number of resources in
the "resource fork" of the application, including the all-important "aete"
(AppleEvent Terminology) resource. Revolution doesn't contain this "aete"
resource. If you use ResFool to copy the 'aete' from MetaCard to Revolution,
I'm sure it will become "visible" to Script Debugger X, et al...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 29 01:19:00 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 22:19:00 -0800
Subject: Applescript?
In-Reply-To: <4429EEA3.6040105@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C04F66D4.36D1F%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Sorry, Richard,

Way over my head to get into the Apple Developer stuff.
Hopefully one of the other 'rus will be able to point you in the right
direction.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 3/28/06 6:19 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> Thanks Jim and Ken for the AppleScript tips.
> 
> This leads to two more questions:
> 
> 1. How does one add a dictionary to their app?
> 
> 2. Anyone here added Automator support to their app?
> 
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Managing Editor, revJournal
>   _______________________________________________________
>   Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com




From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Mar 29 01:20:01 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 00:20:01 -0600
Subject: Applescript? CORRECTION
In-Reply-To: <42C8965C-7570-48A2-9421-533681E0D348@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <C04F8331.389D2%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/28/06 9:25 PM, "Troy Rollins" <troy_lists at rpsystems.net> wrote:


> It wouldn't bother me too much if it hadn't worked so much better
> before. Unless I am missing something about the way AppleEvents are
> handled we lost a lot of Mac capability somewhere along with "do
> script".

Actually, it's not lost, Troy! What's necessary is the "aete" resource that
used to be shipped with MetaCard, but for some reason no longer ships with
Revolution. All you need to do is copy/paste using ResFool, and you not only
have "do script" and "eval", but you can use ResFool to make your
application FULLY AppleScriptable... I'm doing this with a custom app I've
built for my clients.

In fact, you can:

tell application "Epicure Dispatcher"  -- an MC/Rev app
  play show "MyShow" without stopping
end tell

and it understands that "play show" translates to the appleEvent "EPICplay"
which it then acts on.

I'm planning on taking about how to AppleScript your app (including creating
a simple Automator action for Rev apps) at Monterey in June, so if you
happen to be going, you can take notes...

:-)

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Mar 29 01:21:03 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 00:21:03 -0600
Subject: Applescript?
In-Reply-To: <4429EEA3.6040105@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C04F836F.389D3%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/28/06 8:19 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> Thanks Jim and Ken for the AppleScript tips.
> 
> This leads to two more questions:
> 
> 1. How does one add a dictionary to their app?
> 
> 2. Anyone here added Automator support to their app?

Well, I'm planning on going over this at RevConWest in June, so you'll just
have to wait until then...

;-)


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From davecs1 at verizon.net  Wed Mar 29 02:30:56 2006
From: davecs1 at verizon.net (Dave Calkins 1)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 23:30:56 -0800
Subject: Text Processing
In-Reply-To: <20060328235344.BEC09825F60@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060328235344.BEC09825F60@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <295ffc66fb01cb64ae2fd61d53d00653@verizon.net>

>>
>> True, Rev "COULD" be a worthy contender for anything involving text
>> processing, but not until they add a few of the very basic text 
>> editing
>> tools that end users need.

Richard, in reading my response, I realized, that my post could have 
come off wrong. I in no way was trying to take a shot at you or your 
post,; I probably just need to get a little more sleep.

> Those are indeed valuable, but in the generic sense they're not "text
> processing" features so much as for "word processing", the former being
> related to parsing, searching, and re-assembling text, with the latter
> related more to the formatting and presentation of text.

That's true, I read your statement and filtered it through my wants / 
needs grid. I have been after these features since 1.1.1. My original 
bugzilla enhancements disappeared long ago, and with Tuviah's 18 month 
old response, I figured that these short coming would have been 
addressed by now.

Right now, I have several of applications that I want to develop with 
Rev that without these simple text word processing abilities are not 
really doable. This is because my end user will not be able to modify 
and format the text reports that are generated. How professional would 
my program look to a client, when I ask them to make the final 
revisions to the data in the word processor of their choice, just so 
they can add and then format the elements that can not be anticipated / 
programed into their final report.  I can just see telling the client, 
"You want the header that you added centered, sure just tab and space 
over until it looks kind of good.  What, you want to change the 
report's font header size? Sure, just delete a few spaces to get it 
centered again." Indent that paragraph, don't ask why the text is in 
different fields."  ;o)  Humor Intended.


I tried to email Tuviah, to find out the status of these elements, but 
the message was bounced back as undelivered. Is Tuviah still part of 
the Rev team?

> But I share your enthusiasm for these, and look forward to reading what
> the folks at RunRev have to say on these....
>
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Managing Editor, revJournal
>
Dave Calkins



From paulclaude at postino.it  Wed Mar 29 02:53:23 2006
From: paulclaude at postino.it (Paul Claude)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:53:23 +0200
Subject: Standalone builder bug in 2.7 - very little tip
Message-ID: <C0500993.4900%paulclaude@postino.it>

> The standalone builder is not including the plugins necessary to display
> OS X themes. For now, you can copy them from the Revolution application
> bundle (copy the entire Plugins folder) and paste them into your
> standalone. If you don't know how to do that, ask and we can help you.
> 
> A few people are experiencing this problem and I have been trying to
> track down why. Most of us don't see it. However, one thing I have
> noticed is that many of those who experience the failure are from
> non-English-speaking countries. I wonder if the difference is the file
> paths on non-English copies of OS X.

Tired of manually copying the Plugins folder each time I test my app
building a new standalone, I've made a little script to automate this task.

Put it in a button handler, if you want.

on mouseUp
  -- put below your actual Revolution application path
  put "/Applications/Revolution Studio/2.7.0-gm-1/Revolution.app" into
revPath
  answer file "Choose your app to add plugins:" with
"/Applications/Revolution Studio/"
  put it into filePath
  set cursor to watch
  put "/Contents/PlugIns/" after filePath
  put "/Contents/PlugIns/" after revPath
  revCopyFolder revPath&"coreimage_support.bundle",filePath
  revCopyFolder revPath&"jaguar_theme_support.bundle",filePath
  revCopyFolder revPath&"panther_theme_support.bundle",filePath
  revCopyFolder revPath&"tiger_theme_support.bundle",filePath
  get the result
  if it <> empty then answer it -- some error?
end mouseUp

Greetings

Paul Claude




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Mar 29 03:31:19 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 00:31:19 -0800
Subject: Text Processing
Message-ID: <442A45D7.8060109@fourthworld.com>

Dave Calkins wrote:
>>> True, Rev "COULD" be a worthy contender for anything involving text
>>> processing, but not until they add a few of the very basic text 
>>> editing tools that end users need.
> 
> Richard, in reading my response, I realized, that my post could have 
> come off wrong. I in no way was trying to take a shot at you or your 
> post,; I probably just need to get a little more sleep.

No problem.  I didn't take it personally.  And FWIW I share your 
interest in seeing these things implemented.

At a minimum it would be nice for Rev to have the at least the same 
functionality as SuperCard's paragraph-level formatting.

Hopefully one of the RunRev folks will chime in here with an update on 
where that stands....

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From wdesmet at wanadoo.nl  Wed Mar 29 07:17:36 2006
From: wdesmet at wanadoo.nl (William de Smet)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:17:36 +0200
Subject: How to use an image as cursor
In-Reply-To: <31e1938c0603281427u1f84da09led1c25498f83c600@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b016f13e0603281115l4ec51559l42621088f0c1ebdf@mail.gmail.com>
	<31e1938c0603281427u1f84da09led1c25498f83c600@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b016f13e0603290417r155f83bcya03c803ff8ebdc89@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Jonathan,

That sounds like a good idea.
So far I used the code:
on mousemove
set the loc of img "cursor.gif" to the mouseloc
end mousemove

But how do I position the image one pixel below the image?
Something with Topleft?

greetings,

William de Smet

2006/3/29, Jonathan Lynch <jonathandlynch at gmail.com>:
> I have put some thought into this:
>
> 1) You can make a cursor that is a single dot (or invisible)
> 2) You can make an image that automatically follows the cursor, and on every
> mousemove is positioned so that its visible portion is exactly one pixel
> below or to the side of the dot (or invisible hotspot)
>
> This way, the image will look like it is the cursor, and you can make it as
> big and colorful as you wish. The image will never actually be under the
> hotspot of the cursor, it will always be one pixel off. When you click on
> the stack, the click will actually hit the stack, not the pretend cursor.
>
> I have experimented with this, and so I know it works.
>
>
> On 3/28/06, William de Smet <wdesmet at wanadoo.nl> wrote:
> >
> > Hi there,
> >
> > Because I work with disabled children I want to use a bigger cursor in
> > my little app.
> > The documentation says that you van make your own cursor when the
> > image is 16x16 or 32x32 pixels. But I want and need a bigger cursor
> > and so far I can't get it to work.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > William de Smet
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From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Mar 29 08:25:02 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 15:25:02 +0200
Subject: How to use an image as cursor
In-Reply-To: <b016f13e0603290417r155f83bcya03c803ff8ebdc89@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b016f13e0603281115l4ec51559l42621088f0c1ebdf@mail.gmail.com>
	<31e1938c0603281427u1f84da09led1c25498f83c600@mail.gmail.com>
	<b016f13e0603290417r155f83bcya03c803ff8ebdc89@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D405EA44-97C5-4B63-A642-9534DBF874C6@major-k.de>

Dag Willem,

> Thanks Jonathan,
>
> That sounds like a good idea.
> So far I used the code:
> on mousemove
> set the loc of img "cursor.gif" to the mouseloc
> end mousemove
>
> But how do I position the image one pixel below the image?
> Something with Topleft?

Yep,

...
set cursor to none
## so no cursor is drawn and you don't have to
## deal with any "mini" cursor at all :-)

lock cursor
## Important!
...

Ant then:

on mousemove x,y
   set the topleft of img "cursor.gif" to x,y
end mousemove

Or whereever you want your cursor...

> greetings,
>
> William de Smet

Groetjes

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From livfoss at mac.com  Wed Mar 29 08:47:17 2006
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 15:47:17 +0200
Subject: revPrintText
Message-ID: <719CF61C-F154-4DDA-9559-477AE792FA0A@mac.com>

In my continuing search for a multi-page printing solution, I was  
amazed to find the following in the Dictionary for RR 2.7.0:

> revPrintText
>
> Syntax: revPrintText textToPrint[,headerText[,footerText 
> [,fieldTemplate]]]
>
> Library: Printing library
>
> See also:   answer printer command , print command , revPrintField  
> command , revShowPrintDialog command
> 	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	
> Summary:
> Prints formatted or unformatted text.
>
>
> revPrintText "Hello world"

[and a lot more besides, including headers and footers..]

What amazed me was that nobody had mentioned it before, while I was  
writing arcane enquiries to the list about counting lines, short  
final pages etc.

Anyway, early tests suggest that it mostly works, although clearly it  
is a bit limited, and it's also a bit temperamental (e.g. if you feed  
it a parameter it doesn't like - even one which is legal according to  
the documentation - it just puts up the print dialog and then fails  
to print anything, while 'the result' stays empty; sometimes it seems  
to refuse to print for no apparent reason, particularly if it is  
invoked twice in successive lines of script - a buffering problem?;  
and I have a feeling it likes to change the print margins without  
telling you about it), but I think it may well have solved a lot of  
problems that I was trying to solve in a very much more complicated  
way. I'm still testing. Much the same behaviour on the Mac so far, BTW.

Has anyone else any experience of this command (well, I suppose  
strictly it's a handler in the printing library)?

Graham


----------------------------------------
Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France



From wdesmet at wanadoo.nl  Wed Mar 29 09:13:54 2006
From: wdesmet at wanadoo.nl (William de Smet)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 16:13:54 +0200
Subject: How to use an image as cursor
In-Reply-To: <b016f13e0603290611s5a0b4efew62fe4e91141223be@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b016f13e0603281115l4ec51559l42621088f0c1ebdf@mail.gmail.com>
	<31e1938c0603281427u1f84da09led1c25498f83c600@mail.gmail.com>
	<b016f13e0603290417r155f83bcya03c803ff8ebdc89@mail.gmail.com>
	<D405EA44-97C5-4B63-A642-9534DBF874C6@major-k.de>
	<b016f13e0603290611s5a0b4efew62fe4e91141223be@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b016f13e0603290613x6747ebc4wb16044e383fd144c@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Klaus,

But now this slows down the mouse reaction time.
The new cursor (image "cursor.gif") stays behind and even RR doesn't
respond anymore. I'm working on an iMac G3 500.

Is it my system or the code?

William


From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Mar 29 09:54:33 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 16:54:33 +0200
Subject: How to use an image as cursor
In-Reply-To: <b016f13e0603290613x6747ebc4wb16044e383fd144c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b016f13e0603281115l4ec51559l42621088f0c1ebdf@mail.gmail.com>
	<31e1938c0603281427u1f84da09led1c25498f83c600@mail.gmail.com>
	<b016f13e0603290417r155f83bcya03c803ff8ebdc89@mail.gmail.com>
	<D405EA44-97C5-4B63-A642-9534DBF874C6@major-k.de>
	<b016f13e0603290611s5a0b4efew62fe4e91141223be@mail.gmail.com>
	<b016f13e0603290613x6747ebc4wb16044e383fd144c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65CA42E8-CBD4-482A-B77B-D7C201FB3C32@major-k.de>

Hi Willem,

> Thanks Klaus,
>
> But now this slows down the mouse reaction time.
> The new cursor (image "cursor.gif") stays behind

behind what? The actual cursor position?

> and even RR doesn't
> respond anymore. I'm working on an iMac G3 500.
>
> Is it my system or the code?

I am afraid that is a too heavy task for your system, although I'm  
not sure...

> William

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Wed Mar 29 10:30:30 2006
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9.Bisseret?=)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 17:30:30 +0200
Subject: revPrintText
In-Reply-To: <719CF61C-F154-4DDA-9559-477AE792FA0A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F4BAA08C-BF38-11DA-83AA-000393DBAA2A@inria.fr>

Hello Graham
Below, a handler I tried while I was struggling with printing, and that  
worked well on Mac (but I got problems on Windows and I abandonned it).

on imprimer
   formatPourImprimer -- that is the handler that you have and I use to  
format my texte
   set the printmargins to 72,50,50,72
   revShowPrintDialog true,true
put tab & "Page " & "<%pageNumber%>"  into footer        -- put "Page  
n" at the bottom of each page
   revPrintText (the htmlText of fld "PourImprimer"),,footer
end imprimer

I just tried it again, and this works well on Mac (without any printing  
substack). Only a special printing fld (where "formatPourImprimer"  
installs the text to print) This printingfield stays directly in my  
main stack.

Hope it help ;

Andr?

Le Wednesday, 29 Mar 2006, ? 15:47 Europe/Paris, Graham Samuel a ?crit :

> In my continuing search for a multi-page printing solution, I was  
> amazed to find the following in the Dictionary for RR 2.7.0:
>
>> revPrintText
>>
>> Syntax: revPrintText  
>> textToPrint[,headerText[,footerText[,fieldTemplate]]]
>>
>> Library: Printing library
>>
>> See also:   answer printer command , print command , revPrintField  
>> command , revShowPrintDialog command
>> 	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	
>> Summary:
>> Prints formatted or unformatted text.
>>
>>
>> revPrintText "Hello world"
>
> [and a lot more besides, including headers and footers..]
>
> What amazed me was that nobody had mentioned it before, while I was  
> writing arcane enquiries to the list about counting lines, short final  
> pages etc.
>
> Anyway, early tests suggest that it mostly works, although clearly it  
> is a bit limited, and it's also a bit temperamental (e.g. if you feed  
> it a parameter it doesn't like - even one which is legal according to  
> the documentation - it just puts up the print dialog and then fails to  
> print anything, while 'the result' stays empty; sometimes it seems to  
> refuse to print for no apparent reason, particularly if it is invoked  
> twice in successive lines of script - a buffering problem?; and I have  
> a feeling it likes to change the print margins without telling you  
> about it), but I think it may well have solved a lot of problems that  
> I was trying to solve in a very much more complicated way. I'm still  
> testing. Much the same behaviour on the Mac so far, BTW.
>
> Has anyone else any experience of this command (well, I suppose  
> strictly it's a handler in the printing library)?
>
> Graham
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
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>
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From troy_lists at rpsystems.net  Wed Mar 29 10:31:41 2006
From: troy_lists at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 10:31:41 -0500
Subject: Applescript? CORRECTION
In-Reply-To: <C04F8331.389D2%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C04F8331.389D2%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <BDB49789-DD87-47E3-A1A4-65DE0222AB22@rpsystems.net>


On Mar 29, 2006, at 1:20 AM, Ken Ray wrote:

> Actually, it's not lost, Troy!

Well, it WAS lost. Now I guess it is found again. I think it would be  
good if RR would go ahead and tie it in properly, and make it support  
exporting into our apps. This is a really good feature, and I'm glad  
it is salvageable (to say the least.)

--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net




From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Wed Mar 29 10:40:35 2006
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 16:40:35 +0100
Subject: Applescript? CORRECTION
In-Reply-To: <C04F8331.389D2%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C04F8331.389D2%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <70F34434-5777-46B2-B7E6-675D12817D71@azurevision.co.uk>


On 29 Mar 2006, at 07:20, Ken Ray wrote:

> Actually, it's not lost, Troy! What's necessary is the "aete"  
> resource that
> used to be shipped with MetaCard, but for some reason no longer  
> ships with
> Revolution. All you need to do is copy/paste using ResFool, and you  
> not only
> have "do script" and "eval", but you can use ResFool to make your
> application FULLY AppleScriptable... I'm doing this with a custom  
> app I've
> built for my clients.

For those of us who don't have Metacard - is there any way around this?

> I'm planning on taking about how to AppleScript your app (including  
> creating
> a simple Automator action for Rev apps) at Monterey in June, so if you
> happen to be going, you can take notes...

Any plans to tape or video this? :-) I'm busy photographing across  
the UK in June...

Ian


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Mar 29 10:45:25 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:45:25 -0600
Subject: revPrintText
In-Reply-To: <719CF61C-F154-4DDA-9559-477AE792FA0A@mac.com>
References: <719CF61C-F154-4DDA-9559-477AE792FA0A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <442AAB95.8020709@hyperactivesw.com>

Graham Samuel wrote:
> In my continuing search for a multi-page printing solution, I was  
> amazed to find the following in the Dictionary for RR 2.7.0:
> 
>> revPrintText
...
> What amazed me was that nobody had mentioned it before, while I was  
> writing arcane enquiries to the list about counting lines, short  final 
> pages etc.

There's "revPrintField" too in case you need it. I guess when you were 
asking about printing, I assumed that you knew about these commands and 
they didn't meet your needs, so you wanted to write your own. When I 
mentioned the trick of setting the formatForPrinting of the 
templateStack and said "that's how the IDE does it", I was refering to 
these two Rev commands.

I guess we could have saved you some trouble by not assuming anything.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From troy_lists at rpsystems.net  Wed Mar 29 10:45:18 2006
From: troy_lists at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 10:45:18 -0500
Subject: Applescript? CORRECTION
In-Reply-To: <BDB49789-DD87-47E3-A1A4-65DE0222AB22@rpsystems.net>
References: <C04F8331.389D2%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<BDB49789-DD87-47E3-A1A4-65DE0222AB22@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <221B755F-B7CC-4C0C-A909-FF6ADE27113C@rpsystems.net>


On Mar 29, 2006, at 10:31 AM, Troy Rollins wrote:

> This is a really good feature, and I'm glad it is salvageable (to  
> say the least.)

And the good news, I already received the following:

http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=3467

> marcus.vanhoudt at runrev.com changed:
>
>            What    |Removed                     |Added
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> ------
>              Status|UNCONFIRMED                 |NEW
>       everconfirmed|0                           |1
>
>
>
> ------- Additional Comments From marcus.vanhoudt at runrev.com   
> 2006-03-29 07:43 -------
> Hi Troy,
>
> Thank you for your report.
>
> I can confirm this is a bug, and we will make sure that Applescript  
> is included
> in the next build of Revolution.


--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net




From livfoss at mac.com  Wed Mar 29 11:35:14 2006
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 18:35:14 +0200
Subject: revPrintText
Message-ID: <09C8EDDE-CB30-4937-9328-BC9075C01227@mac.com>

On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:45:25 -0600,  "J. Landman Gay"  
<jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
>
> There's "revPrintField" too in case you need it. I guess when you were
> asking about printing, I assumed that you knew about these commands  
> and
> they didn't meet your needs, so you wanted to write your own. When I
> mentioned the trick of setting the formatForPrinting of the
> templateStack and said "that's how the IDE does it", I was refering to
> these two Rev commands.
>
> I guess we could have saved you some trouble by not assuming anything.

Hi Jacque

I certainly didn't intend to suggest anyone had been lacking in  
helpfulness - I am truly grateful of every bit of advice I get from  
this excellent list. I was just kind of surprised when I found out  
that most of what I wanted to do had already been packaged up by RR!

Sadly though, since writing my first mail about revPrintText, I've  
done some experiments and I can't get it to work consistently on the  
PC (Windows XP). I always get the print dialog, correctly pointing at  
my default printer (which works fine with other applications), but  
when I select 'Print' I may or may not get a printout, and sometimes  
I get a printout which looks as if it's formatted as in the previous  
attempt to use the command. In these situations the print queue is  
always empty before my call to revPrintField so it's not a matter of  
the OS stacking up requests. I can't seem to get a foolproof recipe  
for this "can't print, won't print" situation, so I will just have to  
go back to my home-grown efforts.

Incidentally I do now know that there's revPrintField, but that won't  
do headers and footers so it wouldn't suit my particular purpose.

Graham


----------------------------------------
Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Mar 29 12:37:33 2006
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:37:33 -0800
Subject: Applescript? CORRECTION
In-Reply-To: <221B755F-B7CC-4C0C-A909-FF6ADE27113C@rpsystems.net>
References: <C04F8331.389D2%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<BDB49789-DD87-47E3-A1A4-65DE0222AB22@rpsystems.net>
	<221B755F-B7CC-4C0C-A909-FF6ADE27113C@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <4D2D9CBA-3173-4FC6-A090-358CF4BD5198@mangomultimedia.com>

On Mar 29, 2006, at 7:45 AM, Troy Rollins wrote:
>
> On Mar 29, 2006, at 10:31 AM, Troy Rollins wrote:
>
>> This is a really good feature, and I'm glad it is salvageable (to  
>> say the least.)
>
> And the good news, I already received the following:
>
> http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=3467
>
>> marcus.vanhoudt at runrev.com changed:

Marcus is becoming a bug reporters best friend :-)  I've had quick  
replies from his as well on bugs reports.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems - www.bluemangolearning.com
trevor at bluemangolearning.com




From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Wed Mar 29 12:43:43 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:43:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603281453q6de27f72x246b801a5875bb91@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603290942530.25825-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Thanks, Dan!

I had begun to wonder if I had somewhere inadvertently stepped into a
weird parallel time universe...

Judy

On Tue, 28 Mar 2006, Dan Shafer wrote:

> Lynn......
>
> Say WHAT?
>
> Are you saying no such market exists? That would seem to me to be a strange
> conclusion to be drawn by someone who has such major influence over the
> marketing of a product that certainly can't be seen as appealing *primarily*
> to serious professional programmers who have corporate checklists and
> academic training influences to consider when choosing a tool.
>
> I don't know who buys Rev. But based on participation on this list and on
> the improve list, I'd have to say it *feels* like a far greater percentage
> of people for whom programming is not a full-time occupation, most of whom
> are developing software for themselves or their work groups or friends. The
> hobbyist/inventive user market may be harder to find or pin down because of
> its lack of verticality (verticalness?) but I don't think that makes them a
> "bunch of unrelated target customers that only superficially look similar."
> I'll be damned surprised if that market isn't the vast majority of the
> current user base of Revolution.
>
> On 3/28/06, Lynn Fredricks <lfredricks at proactive-intl.com> wrote:
> >
> > There is no hobbyist/inventive user from a software marketing perspective
> > -
> > that is a "D) none of the above" designation to try to define a bunch of
> > unrelated target customers that only superficially look similar.
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author
> http://www.shafermedia.com
> Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
> >From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From reball at redshift.com  Wed Mar 29 12:42:57 2006
From: reball at redshift.com (Dr. Robert E. Ball)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:42:57 -0800
Subject: Big problem? I can't add a stack to a standalone in 2.7
Message-ID: <C0500721.120C1%reball@redshift.com>

I recently upgraded from 2.5.1 to 2.7 and converted my stacks (after backing
them up). Next, I added a new main stack to my application. However, when I
attempted to build a new standalone that included the new 2.7 stack, I
couldn't add it to the standalone in the "Standalone Application Settings".
When I clicked on the "Add stack file" in the Stacks menu of the Standalone
Application Settings, all of the 2.7 files were grayed out -- but not the
2.5.1 files. Seems to be a big bug in 2.7. Or am I missing something?


-- 
Robert E. Ball, PhD
Distinguished Professor, Emeritus
Department of Aeronautics and Astronautics
Naval Postgraduate School
Monterey, California



From reball at redshift.com  Wed Mar 29 12:45:51 2006
From: reball at redshift.com (Dr. Robert E. Ball)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:45:51 -0800
Subject: Big problem? I can't add a stack to a standalone in 2.7
Message-ID: <C05007CF.120C3%reball@redshift.com>

I recently upgraded from 2.5.1 to 2.7 and converted my stacks (after backing
them up). Next, I added a new main stack to my application. However, when I
attempted to build a new standalone that included the new 2.7 stack, I
couldn't add it to the standalone in the "Standalone Application Settings".
When I clicked on the "Add stack file" in the Stacks menu of the Standalone
Application Settings, all of the 2.7 files were grayed out -- but not the
2.5.1 files. Seems to be a big bug in 2.7. Or am I missing something?


-- 
Robert E. Ball, PhD
Distinguished Professor, Emeritus
Department of Aeronautics and Astronautics
Naval Postgraduate School
Monterey, California



From gilbert at isphlg.rimed.cu  Wed Mar 29 14:19:21 2006
From: gilbert at isphlg.rimed.cu (Gilberto Cuba)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:19:21 -0500
Subject: What happen with function screenloc() and screenrect()?
Message-ID: <001001c65365$ea30b220$1c037b98@p42600>

Hi,

I am found that functions screenloc() and screenrect() not work fine or I 
don't understanding the documentations.
Occur that I change the resolution when my application start and I tried to 
center the software with

set the loc of this stack to screenloc()

this not work fine. Why? I found that function screenloc() and screenrect() 
keep the values of the last resolution and not refresh with the new display 
resolution.

May any body tell me what I can to do? Because I tried to change the values 
of windowBoundingRect and not work fine too.

Best regards, and excuse me for my English,

Gilberto Cuba 




From lynn at paradigmasoft.com  Wed Mar 29 13:22:08 2006
From: lynn at paradigmasoft.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 10:22:08 -0800
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603290942530.25825-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <1068465910-261905388@lindbergh.macserve.net>

 > Thanks, Dan!
> 
> I had begun to wonder if I had somewhere inadvertently 
> stepped into a weird parallel time universe...
> 
> Judy

But how would you know werent already in one?;-)

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd




From j.ballard at mac.com  Wed Mar 29 13:24:27 2006
From: j.ballard at mac.com (j.ballard at mac.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 12:24:27 -0600
Subject: Funcion Documentation Suggestion
Message-ID: <15064551.1143656667486.JavaMail.j.ballard@mac.com>

Hope this is a good place for this, my apologies if not.

After doing trials of earlier versions of Rev, I've downloaded and am giving the newest a 30-day run.
So far, so good! The documentation/help has come a LONG way. It's the best I've seen, and with that in mind, I'd like to offer a suggestion for the documentation.

In the functions dictionary, the following would be very helpful:
A small space to allow user contributions and short code examples that are relevant to the function (perhaps at the bottom after the official definition). This could include gotchas, unusual uses of the function, and simple syntax examples from real-world use.

A case in point where this would help: I spent many hours trying to work with the function revQueryDatabase(). No place in the function dictionary could I find what was supposed to be returned by that function. I finally found a post from the runrev list that described someone else receiving "a weird incrementing number" as a return. I still can't figure out what that returned value is or what it is for. It'd be nice if the Rev gurus were able to submit short tips, such as one explaining that return value, in the function library.

Regards,
John Ballard


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Mar 29 13:24:46 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 12:24:46 -0600
Subject: Big problem? I can't add a stack to a standalone in 2.7
In-Reply-To: <C0500721.120C1%reball@redshift.com>
References: <C0500721.120C1%reball@redshift.com>
Message-ID: <442AD0EE.4060905@hyperactivesw.com>

Dr. Robert E. Ball wrote:
> I recently upgraded from 2.5.1 to 2.7 and converted my stacks (after backing
> them up). Next, I added a new main stack to my application. However, when I
> attempted to build a new standalone that included the new 2.7 stack, I
> couldn't add it to the standalone in the "Standalone Application Settings".
> When I clicked on the "Add stack file" in the Stacks menu of the Standalone
> Application Settings, all of the 2.7 files were grayed out -- but not the
> 2.5.1 files. Seems to be a big bug in 2.7. Or am I missing something?
> 
> 

It's a bug; the inspector hasn't been updated yet (it's been reported 
and will be fixed.) For now, you can add those files manually via a 
short script or the message box:

    set the stackfiles of this stack to <whatever>

The "<whatever>" should be a list of stacks, one stack per line, with 
two items in each line. The first item is the short stack name, and the 
second item is a relative path to the stack file on disk. See the 
"stackfiles" entry in the docs for specifics.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From benbock at msn.com  Wed Mar 29 13:44:12 2006
From: benbock at msn.com (Ben Bock)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 10:44:12 -0800
Subject: changing btn names at the stack level?
Message-ID: <BAY106-DAV18D882CC62C6CCA4A38B0EA9D00@phx.gbl>

I have a 15 card stack with 31 buttons per page (15 yes, 15 no, 1 Go next card).  When I made this stack I screw up and did not name the buttons when copy& pasting them.  I want the YES label buttons to be named "1" and the NO label buttons named "0".  Can I do this with a script, preferably at the stack level?

My current effort is at the card level:

on openCard

    put the number of btns into btnCount

  repeat with x = 1 to btnCount

    put the label of btn x into labelList

    repeat for each line tGroup in labelList

      if  label of btn x is "YES" then

        set the Name of btn label tGroup of cd x to "1"

      end if

    end repeat

  end repeat

end openCard



I'm a newby to programming and Rev, & I'm learning Rev mostly from this user list.  If there is some dorky mistake in my attempt, please excuse and school me properly.


Thanks



Ben


From benbock at msn.com  Wed Mar 29 13:53:15 2006
From: benbock at msn.com (Ben Bock)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 10:53:15 -0800
Subject: Know of a good tutorial for "splash screens"?
Message-ID: <BAY106-DAV17A1CF395229DE05E2EB68A9D00@phx.gbl>

I'm looking for a good tutorial on the ins and outs of "splash screens". I need to build something to switch between the ~15 substack quizzes I have made, because the order of administration will vary, with a total of 5 preset variations. Any links or info will be useful.

Thank you for any guidance,

Ben

From bvg at mac.com  Wed Mar 29 14:08:41 2006
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 21:08:41 +0200
Subject: changing btn names at the stack level?
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-DAV18D882CC62C6CCA4A38B0EA9D00@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY106-DAV18D882CC62C6CCA4A38B0EA9D00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <19ec2379a3439d12ca5c63c0cdf9e338@mac.com>

you can write a little script yourself, similar to this one:

on mouseUp
   lock screen
   repeat for the number of buttons times
     add one to x
     if the short name of button x = "yes" then
       set the name of button x to "1"
     else if the short name of button x = "no" then
       set the name of button x to "0"
     end if
   end repeat
end mouseUp

On Mar 29 2006, at 20:44, Ben Bock wrote:

> I have a 15 card stack with 31 buttons per page (15 yes, 15 no, 1 Go 
> next card).  When I made this stack I screw up and did not name the 
> buttons when copy& pasting them.  I want the YES label buttons to be 
> named "1" and the NO label buttons named "0".  Can I do this with a 
> script, preferably at the stack level?
>
> My current effort is at the card level:
>
> on openCard
>
>     put the number of btns into btnCount
>
>   repeat with x = 1 to btnCount
>
>     put the label of btn x into labelList
>
>     repeat for each line tGroup in labelList
>
>       if  label of btn x is "YES" then
>
>         set the Name of btn label tGroup of cd x to "1"
>
>       end if
>
>     end repeat
>
>   end repeat
>
> end openCard
>
>
>
> I'm a newby to programming and Rev, & I'm learning Rev mostly from 
> this user list.  If there is some dorky mistake in my attempt, please 
> excuse and school me properly.
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Ben
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From mark at maseurope.net  Wed Mar 29 14:12:39 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 20:12:39 +0100
Subject: changing btn names at the stack level?
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-DAV18D882CC62C6CCA4A38B0EA9D00@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY106-DAV18D882CC62C6CCA4A38B0EA9D00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <058C89D8-774C-4358-95B1-2D8D57797BBA@maseurope.net>

Ben, if you put this in the script of your stack, and then type  
"renameButtons" in the message box, it should do what you want.


on renameButtons
   repeat with c = 1 to the number of cds in  me
      repeat with b = 1 to the number of btns in cd c of me
        if the label of btn b of cd c of me is "YES" then set the  
name of btn b of cd c of me to "1"
        if the label of btn b of cd c of me is "NO" then set the name  
of btn b of cd c of me to "0"
      end repeat
   end repeat
end renameButtons

Best,

Mark

On 29 Mar 2006, at 19:44, Ben Bock wrote:

> I have a 15 card stack with 31 buttons per page (15 yes, 15 no, 1  
> Go next card).  When I made this stack I screw up and did not name  
> the buttons when copy& pasting them.  I want the YES label buttons  
> to be named "1" and the NO label buttons named "0".  Can I do this  
> with a script, preferably at the stack level?
>
> My current effort is at the card level:
>
> on openCard
>
>     put the number of btns into btnCount
>
>   repeat with x = 1 to btnCount
>
>     put the label of btn x into labelList
>
>     repeat for each line tGroup in labelList
>
>       if  label of btn x is "YES" then
>
>         set the Name of btn label tGroup of cd x to "1"
>
>       end if
>
>     end repeat
>
>   end repeat
>
> end openCard
>
>
>
> I'm a newby to programming and Rev, & I'm learning Rev mostly from  
> this user list.  If there is some dorky mistake in my attempt,  
> please excuse and school me properly.
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Ben
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From david at openpartnership.net  Wed Mar 29 14:25:53 2006
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 21:25:53 +0200
Subject: Image Contrast
In-Reply-To: <001001c65365$ea30b220$1c037b98@p42600>
References: <001001c65365$ea30b220$1c037b98@p42600>
Message-ID: <442ADF41.4010707@openpartnership.net>

Hi all...

question about how to script changing the image contrast - you know with 
a slider? As far as I can figure there are three ways to go:

    1) Use the image data and transcript - Chipp had a demo a while back 
I think?

    2) Use an external to speed this up

    3) Use QuickTime with an external

I think I'll need to do this on the PC - possibly on Mac OSX as well - 
any suggestions?


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Mar 29 14:46:35 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 13:46:35 -0600
Subject: changing btn names at the stack level?
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-DAV18D882CC62C6CCA4A38B0EA9D00@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY106-DAV18D882CC62C6CCA4A38B0EA9D00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <442AE41B.7070006@hyperactivesw.com>

Ben Bock wrote:
> I have a 15 card stack with 31 buttons per page (15 yes, 15 no, 1 Go
> next card).  When I made this stack I screw up and did not name the
> buttons when copy& pasting them.  I want the YES label buttons to be
> named "1" and the NO label buttons named "0".  Can I do this with a
> script, preferably at the stack level?

You can use the sample scripts others have posted, but I would advise 
against naming buttons with number names. This is always a bad idea. You 
should always have at least one alpha character in an object name, 
otherwise Rev can get confused about whether a script is asking for 
"button 1" or a button *named* "1". Depending on your scripts, this can 
cause all kinds of hair-pulling and cuss words.

Alternately, since your labels are already "yes" and "no", your script 
could instead check the label and if it is "yes", put 1 into a variable, 
and if it is "no" then put 0 into a variable. This bypasses the whole issue.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Wed Mar 29 14:57:08 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 11:57:08 -0800
Subject: Funcion Documentation Suggestion
In-Reply-To: <15064551.1143656667486.JavaMail.j.ballard@mac.com>
References: <15064551.1143656667486.JavaMail.j.ballard@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p0623092dc05094547f20@[192.168.1.103]>

This is exactly what happens at http://mysql.org

The comments are often more useful than the official definitions. 
Either they're well edited or they have some other system to ensure 
accuracy.

Their CMS even correctly hilites SQL code samples.


>
>In the functions dictionary, the following would be very helpful:
>A small space to allow user contributions and short code examples 
>that are relevant to the function (perhaps at the bottom after the 
>official definition). This could include gotchas, unusual uses of 
>the function, and simple syntax examples from real-world use.

-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -


From david at openpartnership.net  Wed Mar 29 15:00:30 2006
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 22:00:30 +0200
Subject: Image Contrast
In-Reply-To: <442ADF41.4010707@openpartnership.net>
References: <001001c65365$ea30b220$1c037b98@p42600>
	<442ADF41.4010707@openpartnership.net>
Message-ID: <442AE75E.9090801@openpartnership.net>

David Bovill wrote:
>    3) Use QuickTime with an external 

With Tiger Rev can access CoreImage based transitions.... is there any 
way to use this to manipulate and then export the changed images - ie 
not just a temporary transition?

 From the Apple web site (http://developer.apple.com/macosx/coreimage.html):

> Core Video, joining Core Image in Mac OS X Tiger, delivers a modern 
> foundation for video services, providing a bridge between QuickTime 
> and the Quartz Core framework for hardware-accelerated video 
> processing. In the same way that you can insert filters into the 
> rendering pipeline for images, you can insert filters into the video 
> display pipeline.



From reball at redshift.com  Wed Mar 29 15:10:30 2006
From: reball at redshift.com (Dr. Robert E. Ball)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 12:10:30 -0800
Subject: Big problem? I can't add a stack to a standalone in 2.7
In-Reply-To: <442AD0EE.4060905@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C05029B6.120DB%reball@redshift.com>

Thank you!!! Where would we be without you to assist us?


On 3/29/06 10:24 AM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> Dr. Robert E. Ball wrote:
>> I recently upgraded from 2.5.1 to 2.7 and converted my stacks (after backing
>> them up). Next, I added a new main stack to my application. However, when I
>> attempted to build a new standalone that included the new 2.7 stack, I
>> couldn't add it to the standalone in the "Standalone Application Settings".
>> When I clicked on the "Add stack file" in the Stacks menu of the Standalone
>> Application Settings, all of the 2.7 files were grayed out -- but not the
>> 2.5.1 files. Seems to be a big bug in 2.7. Or am I missing something?
>> 
>> 
> 
> It's a bug; the inspector hasn't been updated yet (it's been reported
> and will be fixed.) For now, you can add those files manually via a
> short script or the message box:
> 
>   set the stackfiles of this stack to <whatever>
> 
> The "<whatever>" should be a list of stacks, one stack per line, with
> two items in each line. The first item is the short stack name, and the
> second item is a relative path to the stack file on disk. See the
> "stackfiles" entry in the docs for specifics.

-- 
Robert E. Ball, PhD
Distinguished Professor, Emeritus
Department of Aeronautics and Astronautics
Naval Postgraduate School
Monterey, California



From david at openpartnership.net  Wed Mar 29 15:17:02 2006
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 22:17:02 +0200
Subject: Image Contrast
In-Reply-To: <442AE75E.9090801@openpartnership.net>
References: <001001c65365$ea30b220$1c037b98@p42600>	<442ADF41.4010707@openpartnership.net>
	<442AE75E.9090801@openpartnership.net>
Message-ID: <442AEB3E.2030106@openpartnership.net>

David Bovill wrote:
> David Bovill wrote:
>>    3) Use QuickTime with an external 
>
> With Tiger Rev can access CoreImage based transitions.... 
And with Trevors external you can apply Filters to a QuickTime movie - 
CoreImage Filters? So you could open an image in a player - apply a 
filter and then export the resulting frame?

    qtAddFilter movieControllerID of player "Movie", "filmnoise", 0, 1200

So which is the best way to manipulate image *contrast* and *brightness*?


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 29 15:19:33 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 12:19:33 -0800
Subject: changing btn names at the stack level?
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-DAV18D882CC62C6CCA4A38B0EA9D00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C0502BD5.36DC8%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Two questions before the renaming...

Why would you name buttons as a numeral, since this will confuse the
references to the buttons?

button 1 is not the same as button "1"

Why would you name the buttons the same name (either numeral or other),
which would make referencing even more problematic?


Try this example, by pasting it into the stack script, then typing "test"
into the msg box, then hit enter
------------------------------------
on test
  --this will set the custom property of each button to 1 or 0
  --you can use any legal name you want for customInteger
  
  put "" into ouput
  repeat with x = 1 to the number of controls
    if the name of control x contains "button" then
      if the label of control x is "YES" then
        set the customInteger of control x to 1
      else if the label of control x is "NO" then
        set the customInteger of control x to 0
      end if
      put the label of control x && \
          the customInteger of control x into line x of output
    end if
  end repeat
  answer "You have been obeyed" &cr & output
end test
-----------------------------------

Jim Ault
Las Vegas



On 3/29/06 10:44 AM, "Ben Bock" <benbock at msn.com> wrote:

> I have a 15 card stack with 31 buttons per page (15 yes, 15 no, 1 Go next
> card).  When I made this stack I screw up and did not name the buttons when
> copy& pasting them.  I want the YES label buttons to be named "1" and the NO
> label buttons named "0".  Can I do this with a script, preferably at the stack
> level?
> 
> My current effort is at the card level:
> 
> on openCard
> 
>     put the number of btns into btnCount
> 
>   repeat with x = 1 to btnCount
> 
>     put the label of btn x into labelList
> 
>     repeat for each line tGroup in labelList
> 
>       if  label of btn x is "YES" then
> 
>         set the Name of btn label tGroup of cd x to "1"
> 
>       end if
> 
>     end repeat
> 
>   end repeat
> 
> end openCard
> 
> 
> 
> I'm a newby to programming and Rev, & I'm learning Rev mostly from this user
> list.  If there is some dorky mistake in my attempt, please excuse and school
> me properly.
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> Ben
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Mar 29 15:54:58 2006
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 12:54:58 -0800
Subject: Image Contrast
In-Reply-To: <442AEB3E.2030106@openpartnership.net>
References: <001001c65365$ea30b220$1c037b98@p42600>	<442ADF41.4010707@openpartnership.net>
	<442AE75E.9090801@openpartnership.net>
	<442AEB3E.2030106@openpartnership.net>
Message-ID: <08ADA96E-ACF9-4629-A92B-00CEBABE2333@mangomultimedia.com>

On Mar 29, 2006, at 12:17 PM, David Bovill wrote:

> David Bovill wrote:
>> David Bovill wrote:
>>>    3) Use QuickTime with an external
>>
>> With Tiger Rev can access CoreImage based transitions....
> And with Trevors external you can apply Filters to a QuickTime  
> movie - CoreImage Filters? So you could open an image in a player -  
> apply a filter and then export the resulting frame?
>
>    qtAddFilter movieControllerID of player "Movie", "filmnoise", 0,  
> 1200
>
> So which is the best way to manipulate image *contrast* and  
> *brightness*?

Hmm, I wouldn't get your hopes up with that one.  There is no Core  
Image support.  I don't think I have any way to configure those  
filters either.  Looking at the source code, the default filter is  
kBrightnessContrastImageFilterType when calling qtAddFilter but I  
don't have any code in their for passing in values.  This is a  
function that I was probably experimenting with but never really  
finished up.  Sorry.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems - www.bluemangolearning.com
trevor at bluemangolearning.com




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Mar 29 16:00:36 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 15:00:36 -0600
Subject: Big problem? I can't add a stack to a standalone in 2.7
In-Reply-To: <C05029B6.120DB%reball@redshift.com>
References: <C05029B6.120DB%reball@redshift.com>
Message-ID: <442AF574.6080707@hyperactivesw.com>

Dr. Robert E. Ball wrote:
> Thank you!!! Where would we be without you to assist us?

RevCon West? ;)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From rjb at robelko.com  Wed Mar 29 17:20:46 2006
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 00:20:46 +0200
Subject: changing btn names at the stack level?
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-DAV18D882CC62C6CCA4A38B0EA9D00@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY106-DAV18D882CC62C6CCA4A38B0EA9D00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <a0611040dc050b4a1c11f@[192.168.1.104]>

>I have a 15 card stack with 31 buttons per page (15 yes, 15 no, 1 Go 
>next card).  When I made this stack I screw up and did not name the 
>buttons when copy& pasting them.  I want the YES label buttons to be 
>named "1" and the NO label buttons named "0".  Can I do this with a 
>script, preferably at the stack level?


Ben, sounds like you have a stack that asks some questions that users 
respond with yes/no answers and go to next page.

I presume that each yes/no pair is a group of radio buttons. Then, 
there is no need to have different labels and button names. Just have 
empty label and set name to yes and no, respectively.

In order to distinguish which question each pair of buttons belongs, 
you can name each group q01, q02, ... q15. This will make handling 
operation and results easily.

For example, to find the answer to question 5, you use

get the selectedButtonName of grp "q5" --> gives yes or no

To fetch all responses in batch

repeat with i=1 to 15
   put the selectedButtonName of grp ("q" & i) into line i of userAnswers
end repeat

if you want to change yes/no to 1/0 for calculations, you can

replace "yes" with "1" in userAnswers
replace "no" with "0" in userAnswers

I realize that the above probably match your situation but it should 
give you ideas how to approach things.

Finally, instead of having multiple cards each with 15 questions, you 
can try doing all on a single card. The trick is to have questions in 
a custom property or a hidden field and use the "go" button to 
replace what users sees instead of physically going to another card.

Robert


From johnpatten at mac.com  Wed Mar 29 18:59:31 2006
From: johnpatten at mac.com (John Patten)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 15:59:31 -0800
Subject: Navigating through added XML data?
Message-ID: <15554468.1143676771296.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>

Hello All...

I'm trying to learn to use XML to store stack data. I've managed to load an existing XML document into the stack, navigate through XML data using revXMLMatchingNode and revXMLChildContents and placing contents in specific flds, and creating additonal data using revSetXMLAttribute and revAddXMLNode.

So far so good. However, ultimatley I want to be able to continue navigating through the XML data including any new data that has been entered.

I can see that the additional data has been added by using revXMLChildContents, however I don't know how to save the results of revXMLChildContents back into the stack as a XML file, and thus enabling navigation through the appended XML file. 

I had been trying to do it using  revCreateXMLTree but it errors because revXMLChildContents does not return a proper XML format.

Any suggestions?

Thank you!

John Patten
SUSD


From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Wed Mar 29 19:32:21 2006
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 18:32:21 -0600
Subject: Navigating through added XML data?
In-Reply-To: <15554468.1143676771296.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>
References: <15554468.1143676771296.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060329182754.088f2e40@exchange.slg.com>

If you have an XML Tree, you can add nodes using revAddXMLNode, put data 
into the node using revPutIntoXMLNode and then use revXMLText(tXMLTree) to 
save the text to a file name.

Here is a function I created to add data to an arbitrary node in an 
existing tree (it creates all the nodes, if they do not exist, but assumes 
the root node exists):

on SaveToXMLTree TreeID, Path, Data
   if TreeID is a number then
     -- see if the node exists
     set the itemDelimiter to "/"
     repeat with i = 2 to the number of items in Path - 1
       put item 1 to i of Path into startNode
       put item i+1 of Path into node
       if revXMLChildNames(TreeID,startNode,"",node,false) is empty then
         revAddXMLNode TreeID, startNode, node, ""
         if the result contains "xmlerr" then
           ReportError "Error adding node" && item 1 to i+1 of Path && "to 
XML Tree:" && the result
         end if
       end if
     end repeat
     set the itemDelimiter to ","
     if the platform is "MacOS" then
       put the MacToISO of Data into Data
     end if
     revPutIntoXMLNode TreeID,Path,Data
     if the result contains "xmlerr" then
       ReportError "Error adding data to node" && Path && ":" && the result
     end if
   end if
end SaveToXMLTree


At 05:59 PM 3/29/2006, you wrote:
>Hello All...
>
>I'm trying to learn to use XML to store stack data. I've managed to load 
>an existing XML document into the stack, navigate through XML data using 
>revXMLMatchingNode and revXMLChildContents and placing contents in 
>specific flds, and creating additonal data using revSetXMLAttribute and 
>revAddXMLNode.
>
>So far so good. However, ultimatley I want to be able to continue 
>navigating through the XML data including any new data that has been entered.
>
>I can see that the additional data has been added by using 
>revXMLChildContents, however I don't know how to save the results of 
>revXMLChildContents back into the stack as a XML file, and thus enabling 
>navigation through the appended XML file.
>
>I had been trying to do it using  revCreateXMLTree but it errors because 
>revXMLChildContents does not return a proper XML format.
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>Thank you!
>
>John Patten
>SUSD
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Mar 29 19:45:16 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 18:45:16 -0600
Subject: Applescript? CORRECTION
In-Reply-To: <70F34434-5777-46B2-B7E6-675D12817D71@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C050863C.38A91%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/29/06 9:40 AM, "Ian Wood" <revlist at azurevision.co.uk> wrote:

> 
> On 29 Mar 2006, at 07:20, Ken Ray wrote:
> 
>> Actually, it's not lost, Troy! What's necessary is the "aete"
>> resource that
>> used to be shipped with MetaCard, but for some reason no longer
>> ships with
>> Revolution. All you need to do is copy/paste using ResFool, and you
>> not only
>> have "do script" and "eval", but you can use ResFool to make your
>> application FULLY AppleScriptable... I'm doing this with a custom
>> app I've
>> built for my clients.
> 
> For those of us who don't have Metacard - is there any way around this?

Yes. Email me privately and I'll send you a copy to use until RunRev puts
out the next build...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From JimCarwardine at OwnYourFuture-net.com  Wed Mar 29 19:45:19 2006
From: JimCarwardine at OwnYourFuture-net.com (Jim Carwardine)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 20:45:19 -0400
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <4429AA0C.10303@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <C050A25F.B846%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>

I have all that stuff AND a MIG welder.  I also bought the tool that was on
sale at Sears every Saturday... Jim

on 3/28/06 5:26 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> 
> 
> Dennis Brown wrote:
>> Well,  All I can say to that is I also bought a Swiss army knife,
>> bought the Shop Smith (do everything woodworking power center),  bought
>> the Ryobi Power-One do everything portable power tool kit,  Bought a
>> color laser printer (for the price of just the included  expendables)
>> that has built-in duplexing and prints B&W as  economically as a B&W
>> only laser printer.
>> 
>> I could go on, but I see a pattern forming.  I buy tools.
>> 
> 
> Check, check and check. You and I aren't related through some distant
> cousin (working at Sears), are we?
> 
> Have you gotten into welding yet? A good MIG can do a lot of things..fun
> things.
> 
> :-)
> 
> -Chipp
> 
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Mar 29 19:57:43 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 18:57:43 -0600
Subject: running a process in the background
In-Reply-To: <AA42A8D6-14AA-4A25-8577-5726C376F00C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C0508927.38A96%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/28/06 12:01 PM, "Chris Sheffield" <cmsheffield at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Ken.  Unfortunately that didn't quite do the trick for me.
> My situation seems a little bit different from that explained in this
> link.  I tried adapting it to work for me but couldn't quite get
> there.  No matter what I try, once the report building process starts
> I can't do anything else.  And this is a lot of code executing.  So
> going into it at this point and putting in some kind of command here
> and there to update my modal dialog would be a lot of work.  I think
> this is a situation where threads would come in handy.
> 
> Anyway, thanks for the idea, but got any others?  :-)

Sorry... I think any solution would require putting in a command in multiple
places to update the dialog. You're right that threads would come in handy,
but until that happens we're kind of stuck...

Actually, I have one other "out of the box" solution - make your progress
dialog a separate standalone application. Launch it with "open process" when
it's time to show the progress dialog and kill it with "kill process" when
you're done. You won't be able to do a modal, but you *could* do a system
window so it would stay in front of everything. Since it's running as a
separate app, it won't be encumbered by your other routines. However I'm
sure there's a small handful of issues to deal with due to running two
apps...

You *did* ask if I had any others, though...  ;-)


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Mar 29 19:59:58 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 18:59:58 -0600
Subject: What happen with function screenloc() and screenrect()?
In-Reply-To: <001001c65365$ea30b220$1c037b98@p42600>
Message-ID: <C05089AE.38A98%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/29/06 1:19 PM, "Gilberto Cuba" <gilbert at isphlg.rimed.cu> wrote:

> May any body tell me what I can to do? Because I tried to change the values
> of windowBoundingRect and not work fine too.

Are you using 2.7 or 2.6? The reason I ask is that in 2.6, your application
doesn't know whether the resolution is being resized while it is running,
and so screenLoc(), etc. won't know about the new resolution unless you quit
your app and relaunch it. 2.7 includes the ability to know when the
resolutoin has changed (it sends a "desktopChanged" message), but I'm not
sure if it affects the screenLoc() function. But at least you can display a
message saying that the screen resolution has changed and you'll need to
quit and relaunch the application.

HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Mar 29 20:09:37 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 19:09:37 -0600
Subject: [OT] Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <C050A25F.B846%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
References: <C050A25F.B846%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
Message-ID: <442B2FD1.1010901@chipp.com>

Hey Jim,

Maybe you, Dennis and I should meet at Harbor Freight and just go wild.

Love that place.

-Chipp

Jim Carwardine wrote:
> I have all that stuff AND a MIG welder.  I also bought the tool that was on
> sale at Sears every Saturday... Jim



From see3d at writeme.com  Wed Mar 29 22:01:16 2006
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 22:01:16 -0500
Subject: [OT] Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <442B2FD1.1010901@chipp.com>
References: <C050A25F.B846%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
	<442B2FD1.1010901@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <82D381AA-3DDA-4359-AFD5-3D7CB1AB06C2@writeme.com>

They just opened one near me a few months ago.  I get all the sale  
stuff before I need it --it costs a lot more if you wait until after  
you need it!  I have been buying the stuff off the catalog covers  
(1/2 off) for many years.  Built a house with a lot of HF tools. :-)

Dennis

On Mar 29, 2006, at 8:09 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Hey Jim,
>
> Maybe you, Dennis and I should meet at Harbor Freight and just go  
> wild.
>
> Love that place.
>
> -Chipp
>
> Jim Carwardine wrote:
>> I have all that stuff AND a MIG welder.  I also bought the tool  
>> that was on
>> sale at Sears every Saturday... Jim
>
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From troy_lists at rpsystems.net  Wed Mar 29 22:02:32 2006
From: troy_lists at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 22:02:32 -0500
Subject: Applescript? CORRECTION
In-Reply-To: <C050863C.38A91%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C050863C.38A91%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <D48C3D72-3DBB-478F-9ED1-2B553902D81B@rpsystems.net>


On Mar 29, 2006, at 7:45 PM, Ken Ray wrote:

> Yes. Email me privately and I'll send you a copy to use until  
> RunRev puts
> out the next build...

Just to confirm, Ken's simple fix takes care of it, and Rev is  
happily Applescript compatible again. I'm glad RunRev has confirmed  
it and will fix it, because this is one of the "biggest little  
features" in the tool.

--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net




From lynn at paradigmasoft.com  Wed Mar 29 22:20:54 2006
From: lynn at paradigmasoft.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 19:20:54 -0800
Subject: OT: Apple at 30 - My Piece of the Big Fruit
Message-ID: <1068433584-263845008@lindbergh.macserve.net>

Ive been watching the nostalgia building over the last week for the Apple
30th anniversary (this Saturday on April 1) and starting to feel a little
nostalgic myself (digging out my much loved PowerCD). It wouldn't surprise
me if Dan and a few others have made some lengthy blog entries on "life with
Apple" - you can see mine below... Apple at 30 - My Piece of the Big Fruit.

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd

http://www.lynnfredricks.com/wp/2006/03/29/apple-at-30-my-piece-of-the-big-f
ruit/




From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Wed Mar 29 22:26:33 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:26:33 +1000
Subject: Navigating through added XML data?
In-Reply-To: <15554468.1143676771296.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>
References: <15554468.1143676771296.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603291926tb008fc5sc4ee410e1001b9b4@mail.gmail.com>

> I'm trying to learn to use XML to store stack data. I've managed to load an existing XML document into the stack, navigate through XML data using revXMLMatchingNode and revXMLChildContents and placing contents in specific flds, and creating additonal data using revSetXMLAttribute and revAddXMLNode.
>
> So far so good. However, ultimatley I want to be able to continue navigating through the XML data including any new data that has been entered.
>
> I can see that the additional data has been added by using revXMLChildContents, however I don't know how to save the results of revXMLChildContents back into the stack as a XML file, and thus enabling navigation through the appended XML file.
>
> I had been trying to do it using  revCreateXMLTree but it errors because revXMLChildContents does not return a proper XML format.


An XML file is just plain text with tag markers. When you read it into
Rev and call revCreateXMLTree or use revCreateXMLTreeFromFile, this
creates an internal data structure - the XML tree.

You can edit the tree using the revAddXMLNode, revSetXMLAttribute etc
functions and the internal data tree is updated every time. However
your original disk file will not be changed unless you manually save
the text form of the XML data to it.

To do this, you need to use revXMLText(treeID). This gives you plain
text, although it is not formatted neatly. To get a slightly
better-looking display, use this:  revXMLText(treeID,,true)
Yes, there are 2 commas there. The second parameter can be used to
specify the starting node if you don't want to convert all the tree to
text. The third parameter is undocumented, but if "true", it does some
formatting of the text.

Once you have the text, you can save it to a text file using the
normal URL commands.

For further information, you may be interested in my XML tutorial at
<http://www.troz.net/Rev/tutorials/XMLdemo1.rev.gz>

Cheers,
Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Wed Mar 29 22:31:56 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:31:56 +1000
Subject: Know of a good tutorial for "splash screens"?
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-DAV17A1CF395229DE05E2EB68A9D00@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY106-DAV17A1CF395229DE05E2EB68A9D00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603291931qd4cc267ve7d0e78a1e4c8d3a@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/30/06, Ben Bock <benbock at msn.com> wrote:
> I'm looking for a good tutorial on the ins and outs of "splash screens". I need to build something to switch between the ~15 substack quizzes I have made, because the order of administration will vary, with a total of 5 preset variations. Any links or info will be useful.
>

Hi Ben,

While not spcifically geared to splash screen apps, I wrote an article
for revJournal about saving data in standalones, which includes some
stuff you may find relevant:
<http://www.revjournal.com/tutorials/saving_data_in_revolution.html>

Cheers,
Sarah


From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 29 22:34:28 2006
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (Erik Hansen)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 19:34:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <C050A25F.B846%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
Message-ID: <20060330033429.82196.qmail@web33012.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



--- Jim Carwardine
<JimCarwardine at OwnYourFuture-net.com> wrote:

> I have all that stuff AND a MIG welder.  I also
> bought the tool that was on
> sale at Sears every Saturday... Jim

i know a guy who RESTORED a (Mittsubishi?)
MIG. mainly Craftsmen with some SnapOn.

Erik Hansen

erik at erikhansen.org    http://www.erikhansen.org

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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 29 23:35:46 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 20:35:46 -0800
Subject: OT: Apple at 30 - My Piece of the Big Fruit
In-Reply-To: <1068433584-263845008@lindbergh.macserve.net>
Message-ID: <C050A022.36E2B%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

I think I will pull out my good ol' 128k Mac, 2nd HD, 2 Mb memory upgrade,
Roger Bates Ram Disk+ and run a little Excel 1.0, Word 1.0, MacPaint,
Hypercard 1.0, ResEdit, ResCopy, and a few of my favorite XCMD/XCFNs from
Rinaldi and others.

I actually wrote one XCFN in Pascal that *worked* using the Gary Bond
book... the agony was that the Pascal section had a typo in the callback
syntax, so I lost 3 days of my life.  This was before the internet, you
know.

May even try to start the luggable, but the lead batteries are toast.  Maybe
the adapter will still fire up the massive 2 Mb of RAM !!!

Fond memories and life changing revelations.
Became a consultant doing business apps in Hypercard.

I can't wait for the next 30 years !!!!

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 3/29/06 7:20 PM, "Lynn Fredricks" <lynn at paradigmasoft.com> wrote:

> Ive been watching the nostalgia building over the last week for the Apple
> 30th anniversary (this Saturday on April 1) and starting to feel a little
> nostalgic myself (digging out my much loved PowerCD). It wouldn't surprise
> me if Dan and a few others have made some lengthy blog entries on "life with
> Apple" - you can see mine below... Apple at 30 - My Piece of the Big Fruit.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> 
> Lynn Fredricks
> Worldwide Business Operations
> Runtime Revolution, Ltd
> 
> http://www.lynnfredricks.com/wp/2006/03/29/apple-at-30-my-piece-of-the-big-f
> ruit/




From jspencer78 at mac.com  Wed Mar 29 23:42:18 2006
From: jspencer78 at mac.com (James Spencer)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 22:42:18 -0600
Subject: Can't pass array function result as parameter
Message-ID: <68002FCC-CA13-4A74-AC43-14915AADF13F@mac.com>

Can anyone confirm this problem.  I'm getting an array from a  
function in a library.  I modify that array and then pass it to a  
handler also in the library.  The debugger is showing that the  
modified array is valid and contains what it should but the parameter  
in the library is shown as empty.  I've found a work around by  
copying the elements of the array to a new array and passing that but  
obviously this should not be necessary.

Bugzilla shows a bug in the Windows version of 2.7 that is probably  
the same bug, #3411, but there, the poster stated that they could  
resolve the problem by simply placing the array they are getting from  
the function into a temporary variable and then passing that where  
I'm seeing the problem even when I put it into a temp (as I'm  
necessarily doing as I modify the array before passing back to the  
library again.

James P. Spencer
Rochester, MN

jspencer78 at mac.com

"Badges??  We don't need no stinkin badges!"



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Wed Mar 29 23:59:36 2006
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 06:59:36 +0200
Subject: [OT] Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <442B2FD1.1010901@chipp.com>
References: <C050A25F.B846%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
	<442B2FD1.1010901@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <p06200705c05112df01cc@[10.0.0.62]>

>Hey Jim,
>
>Maybe you, Dennis and I should meet at Harbor Freight and just go wild.
>
>Love that place.

I love these sort of tools. Had a welder & gas torches, on bulky trash day
I'd load the pick-up truck with old bed frames & other scrap metal. Brought
home the front end of an old Rambler (American Motors auto for you Europeans)
once and cut, welded, & combined with old draft horse 'stuff' and 
made me a nice
cart for my one ton draft horse. Had a chain crank for 'twitching' 
out logs from
the woodlot and could pull the Rambler tires off to bolt on a set of 
sleigh/sled
units for use in snow.

Not much call for horse drawn sleds here in the Mediterranean though...
left that behind along with some other 'stuff'   ;-)

I suppose I'm also in that marketing  'undefined group' which is 
otherwise known
as 'inventive user' to the rest of us.

ciao,
sims


From briany at qldlearning.com  Thu Mar 30 02:41:09 2006
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 23:41:09 -0800
Subject: running a process in the background
In-Reply-To: <C0508927.38A96%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C0508927.38A96%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <bca98cb245698b340fcbb774b24a64b6@qldlearning.com>

Chris,

This would still require inserting code, but it may be useful to look 
into:
wait for 1 milliseconds with messages

The [with messages] piece will actually allow other handlers to 
execute, so you could, for example, have a timed update script firing 
at every "wait" message. It would still require code insertion, but 
maybe just a sprinkling of 1 liners with a separate update script 
running.

This is a little like basic threading, as the wait command gives a 
"yield" that lets other messages fire.

Hope that helps-

Brian


> On 3/28/06 12:01 PM, "Chris Sheffield" <cmsheffield at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Ken.  Unfortunately that didn't quite do the trick for me.
>> My situation seems a little bit different from that explained in this
>> link.  I tried adapting it to work for me but couldn't quite get
>> there.  No matter what I try, once the report building process starts
>> I can't do anything else.  And this is a lot of code executing.  So
>> going into it at this point and putting in some kind of command here
>> and there to update my modal dialog would be a lot of work.  I think
>> this is a situation where threads would come in handy.
>>
>> Anyway, thanks for the idea, but got any others?  :-)



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Thu Mar 30 03:19:02 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 00:19:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <1068465910-261905388@lindbergh.macserve.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603300016090.9078-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Ahhh...,

But, you see, *I*'ve seen DarkShadows enough times so as to be able to
recognize the symptoms!

Been watching it since I was 3-4 years old.  Even though it went off the
air in 1971 (here's where Parallel Time comes in handy) ;-)

Judy

On Wed, 29 Mar 2006, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

>  > Thanks, Dan!
> >
> > I had begun to wonder if I had somewhere inadvertently
> > stepped into a weird parallel time universe...
> >
> > Judy
>
> But how would you know werent already in one?;-)
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Lynn Fredricks
> Worldwide Business Operations
> Runtime Revolution, Ltd
>
>
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Thu Mar 30 03:36:49 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 00:36:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: OT: Apple at 30 - My Piece of the Big Fruit
In-Reply-To: <1068433584-263845008@lindbergh.macserve.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603300025580.9078-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Wow.

What a fun 'blast from the past'!

I was about to choke on your description of the $10k IIci but then
remembered that our own first Mac -- a II plain and tall -- was a good $3k
on an edu discount ca 1989, and that a color monitor would have run us an
extra $600 US.  And that the 'upgrade' from 1 MB -> 2 MB RAM was more
than $100 US several years later (for the kiddies, that's more than the
pizza or two that $100 would buy today).

I also remember that not long after I played with a Newton at a computer
store and thought that I had died and gone to computer heaven.

Cost too much, of course, but, after it had been killed off (er,
'steved'), I just had to own one.  So I bought a MP 120 (Andrew: did I
give/sell this to you??? 'cuz I can't find it...), a 2100 and an emate.

They were AND STILL ARE wayyyy cool.

Where's that ParallelTime staircase again???

Judy

On Wed, 29 Mar 2006, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

> Ive been watching the nostalgia building over the last week for the Apple
> 30th anniversary (this Saturday on April 1) and starting to feel a little
> nostalgic myself (digging out my much loved PowerCD). It wouldn't surprise
> me if Dan and a few others have made some lengthy blog entries on "life with
> Apple" - you can see mine below... Apple at 30 - My Piece of the Big Fruit.
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Lynn Fredricks
> Worldwide Business Operations
> Runtime Revolution, Ltd
>
> http://www.lynnfredricks.com/wp/2006/03/29/apple-at-30-my-piece-of-the-big-f
> ruit/
>
>
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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Thu Mar 30 03:55:15 2006
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:55:15 +0100
Subject: OT: Apple at 30 - My Piece of the Big Fruit
In-Reply-To: <C050A022.36E2B%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C050A022.36E2B%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8E547BD1-90A8-47F3-8C31-149FD917522D@azurevision.co.uk>

And to think I started with a Sinclair ZX81 with the massive  
expansion of the 16KB RAMpack... You lucky so-and-so! :-)

Ian

On 30 Mar 2006, at 05:35, Jim Ault wrote:

> May even try to start the luggable, but the lead batteries are  
> toast.  Maybe
> the adapter will still fire up the massive 2 Mb of RAM !!!



From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Thu Mar 30 06:04:11 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:04:11 +0100
Subject: Funcion Documentation Suggestion
In-Reply-To: <15064551.1143656667486.JavaMail.j.ballard@mac.com>
References: <15064551.1143656667486.JavaMail.j.ballard@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5C4D5F88-FE31-4360-B2BB-B22D68BD7AB6@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

Yes! I think that would be a great idea! I'm sure it would have saved  
me bundles of time in the past!

All the Best
Dave

On 29 Mar 2006, at 19:24, j.ballard at mac.com wrote:

> Hope this is a good place for this, my apologies if not.
>
> After doing trials of earlier versions of Rev, I've downloaded and  
> am giving the newest a 30-day run.
> So far, so good! The documentation/help has come a LONG way. It's  
> the best I've seen, and with that in mind, I'd like to offer a  
> suggestion for the documentation.
>
> In the functions dictionary, the following would be very helpful:
> A small space to allow user contributions and short code examples  
> that are relevant to the function (perhaps at the bottom after the  
> official definition). This could include gotchas, unusual uses of  
> the function, and simple syntax examples from real-world use.
>
> A case in point where this would help: I spent many hours trying to  
> work with the function revQueryDatabase(). No place in the function  
> dictionary could I find what was supposed to be returned by that  
> function. I finally found a post from the runrev list that  
> described someone else receiving "a weird incrementing number" as a  
> return. I still can't figure out what that returned value is or  
> what it is for. It'd be nice if the Rev gurus were able to submit  
> short tips, such as one explaining that return value, in the  
> function library.
>
> Regards,
> John Ballard
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From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Thu Mar 30 06:10:24 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:10:24 +0100
Subject: preOpenStack, openStack in Card 1?? Rules conformation.
In-Reply-To: <C04C8FDB.36B51%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C04C8FDB.36B51%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ED5D4440-0BE3-4585-9992-C03CBB41A90E@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi All,

I remember a while back I saw something about the preOpenStack and  
openStack handlers in Card 1 of the mainStack. Since then I have  
always placed these handlers in Card 1 and "passed" them (via pass  
command) to the Stack. However I can't seem to find that email  
anymore, could someone elaborate on how this works? I've looked  
through the dictionary and the PDF that came with 2.7, but I cant  
seem to find anything about it. Any pointers would be greatly  
appreciated.

All the Best
Dave


  


From scott at proherp.com  Thu Mar 30 08:28:07 2006
From: scott at proherp.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:28:07 +1000
Subject: Auto Run For Mac CD - Slightly OT
In-Reply-To: <ED5D4440-0BE3-4585-9992-C03CBB41A90E@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <000301c653fd$c9e64320$0201010a@royalnexus>

Hi folks,

I can create auto-run CD's for Windows very easily.  I'd like to
do the same for the Mac.  Anybody know the secret to doing
that?

TIA

Scott

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From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Thu Mar 30 08:23:01 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:23:01 +0100
Subject: Target not working???
In-Reply-To: <D9054BBC-BEAA-11DA-8487-0030657E1638@pon.net>
References: <C04D4612.387E1%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<7437744A-6C51-46C5-B2CD-EF5DFE0D7807@dsl.pipex.com>
	<0426D48B-BDAF-11DA-A993-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<176A7373-AE3E-4B57-A0B5-CF654D658234@dsl.pipex.com>
	<D4773ED5-BE71-11DA-8DE1-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<9C1A252F-C81B-4B5C-9317-5CC3F8008A8B@dsl.pipex.com>
	<D9054BBC-BEAA-11DA-8487-0030657E1638@pon.net>
Message-ID: <ABF9B6D2-36E9-4578-A828-2D72C5F817BA@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi Rob,

On 28 Mar 2006, at 23:33, Rob Cozens wrote:

>
> Dave,
>> When I start a new app, I take whatever pieces I need from the  
>> Object Library or existing apps, throw them into a new app and the  
>> stuff that did work still works (with no or minimal changes to  
>> Custom Properties), leaving just the task that I really want to do  
>> which is design and code the new piece.
>
> OK, I'm beginning to conceptualize your library.  But C was almost  
> as incomprehensible to me as HyperTalk was to you; so sending  
> messages in C is pretty much foreign, or long-ago visited,  
> territory.  The part about building a GUI with objects from a  
> library seems straightforward.  But I still have no feeling for  
> what is involved in "visually updating" controls either via custom  
> properties or looping.  Is this necessary every time a stack that  
> includes an iteration of the control opens?
>
> From my limited perspective, I think of "visually updating" of a  
> control as involving manipulation of properties like colors/ 
> patterns, image/icon, or text formatting.  These don't seem to me  
> to be prime candidates for runtime updating, and if they were, I  
> would assume a consistent look & feel is desired throughout the  
> GUI...if so, colors & text can be changed en masse by setting them  
> to empty for all objects subordinate to the stack and making all  
> changes at the stack level.  Images can be changed by switching  
> image libraries or changing image files for referenced images.

By visually updating I mean doing anything to the control that needs  
to be done in order to either initialize it or update (actually one  
and the same using ISM) it in response to a external event, e.g. as  
the result of a user action or as the result of a timed action.

The type of "update" performed depends on the control itself and the  
type of command being processed. For instance a Regular Push Button  
might require the following update actions:

1,  Enable/Disable itself depending.
2.  Make itself visable/invisibilty.
3.  Change it's label text (say in response to a "change_language"  
message.

A field might want to all of the above or it might want to do some  
processing in order to generate the "update" value for the field   
(such as getting a file list from a folder or putting the contents of  
a file into itself).

An Image might want to rotate itself.

Since all the logic for how a control "updates" itself *may* (notice  
the word may!)  be placed in the object itself, copying it copies all  
that is necessary to perform the update. The code needn't be on the  
object itself. The only reason the update handler gets called in the  
object is because the object registered itself for the message(s) it  
requires in order to update correctly (this is why I want to loop  
through all the objects in a stack and call a ISM_InitializeObject  
handler, see below). Instead of registering at the control level, you  
could register at the Group or the Card or the Stack level For  
instance, if you decided to handle all "updates" for a Group Object  
in the Group Script, then the ISM_InitializeObject handler would be  
called from the Group Script and this handler would register itself  
as wanting to receive all the messages for the controls inside it. If  
you did it that way however, you'd have to use hard coded object  
names and refer to the them like so:

put "xxxxx" into field "FieldFolderPathName" of me

This would limit the scope to just that group. If you did it this way  
you sacrifice some flexibility, since now if you delete a control  
from the group and it was referred to in the Group Script you'd get  
an execution error or you'd have to make the Group Script more  
robust. e.g:

if exists( field "FieldFolderPathName" of me) then
      put "xxxxx" into field "FieldFolderPathName" of me
end if

Similarity,if you register at the card level, you'd have to access  
the controls in the card like so:

if exists( field "FieldFolderPathName" of "GroupFolderSelect" of  me)  
then
    put "xxxxx" into field "FieldFolderPathName" of  
"GroupFolderSelect" of  me:
end if

This loses more flexibility.

If you listen at the stack level, then the code would be:

if exists( field "FieldFolderPathName" of "GroupFolderSelect" of   
card "CardCompare" of me) then
    put "xxxxx" into field "FieldFolderPathName" of  
"GroupFolderSelect"  of  card "CardCompare" of  me
end if

Losing more flexibility.
>
>>> My impression is you a building a library of "standardized  
>>> objects" to be referenced by multiple stacks.  All iterations of  
>>> standardized objects in that stack are to be initialized per a  
>>> library stack handler when it opens and set to some other state  
>>> when the stack closes.  Is that essentially the goal of the example?
>>
>> Yes, that's it. In order to do the above, a "Listen" routine needs  
>> to be called for each object that wants to receive a message. The  
>> listen function can be called at anytime, but to make it easier to  
>> use, I am scanning for the ISM_InitializeObject handler and if  
>> it's present, call it. The ISM_InitializeObject in the target  
>> object can then call the Listen function to register itself (or  
>> any other object for that matter). The same goes in reverse, I  
>> want to stop listening when a stack closes.
>>
>
> In out-of-the-box Transcript, every object with a script is born  
> listening.  The trick is to place a handler in the spot in the  
> message hierarchy where it hears requests from all objects that  
> need its services.

Yes I can see this, that's really what I am trying to do, but I found  
no way of doing it using directly using the message hierarchy. Maybe  
I am missing something. How would you write code to do the following  
by placing the handler(s) in the spot in the message hierarchy where  
is hear requests from all objects that need its services?

Field:StaticText:"Folder Selected" (Needs to Change when the language  
is changed).
Field:Variable Text:<Currently Selected Folder Path Name> (Needs to  
change when user selects a Folder, must handle Drag and Drop of a  
folder onto it and Display the Folder Path Name).
Button:PushButton:Clear  (Needs to Change when the language is  
changed, needs to be enabled if a folder is selected and disabled if  
not, should clear Currently Selected Folder when pressed.)
Button:PushButton:Choose  (Needs to Change when the language is  
changed, should allow the user to select a folder and update  
Currently Selected Folder with the new folder and should enable the  
clear button)

The above controls represent that is necessary to "drive" a folder  
choosing group, if that's all the app needs to do, fine, but if you  
wanted to do something more with the folder, the fact that a folder  
has been selected by the user must be somehow transmitted to the  
"interested" fields. So there should be a mechanism to pass the  
folder selected to other controls in any of the cards in any stack  
that happens to be opened.
>
> So one can make handlers and images available to any stack by  
> placing the handlers in the library stack script and/or placing the  
> images on the first (or any?) library card.  One can change icons  
> en mass by switching between to image libraries containing images  
> with identical ids.  One can change images by referencing image  
> files instead of importing them and then changing the files in the  
> image folder.  One can change handler action by editing the handler  
> in the library.  One can change the colors and text format en masse  
> by maintaining inheritance in all objects below the stack level.   
> Combined, these techniques support making changes in one file or  
> folder that will be recognized at runtime by any stack that uses  
> any of the modified resources.
>
> Isn't that what you are trying to accomplish when you place a  
> generic control & it's associated script in the object library?

Yes, except that rather than passing the actual data just a token  
(messageID/messageKind/token) is passed, the token can is then used  
to decode the token in any way it chooses, like passing a file  
reference for images in your exampl).

ISM doesn't stop you from using any of the techniques above, I use a  
mixture of all those things in my ISM based apps.

Not sure if this makes it any easier, but if ISM were built into  
RunRev, then it could be implemented like this:

send "message_handler_name,messageID,messageKind,theToken " to all  
objects that are currently interested.

or at a lower level"

send "message_handler_name messageID,messageKind, theToken " to all  
objects whose messageIDProp = messageID and whose  messageKindProp =  
messageKind in messageTimeProp ticks

on message_handler_name messageID,messageKind theToken
end message_handler_name

Thanks for a lot for your input, if there is something I am missing  
in RunRev (xTalk) that is easier/faster than using ISM I'd be happy  
to change how I am doing things.

All the Best
Dave



From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Thu Mar 30 11:00:37 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:00:37 +0100
Subject: Can't pass array function result as parameter
In-Reply-To: <68002FCC-CA13-4A74-AC43-14915AADF13F@mac.com>
References: <68002FCC-CA13-4A74-AC43-14915AADF13F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <6AC4282A-DC3F-424A-86E9-2C1943EEB1F3@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi.

Depending on how you have coded it, there will be 2 copies of the  
array, e.g.

if you do this in the library:

local sgLibArray

function LibGetArray
return sgLibArray
end LibGetArray


function LibChangeArray theArray,theKey,theData
put theData into theArray[theKey]
end LibChangeArray


on mouseUp
put LibGetArray() into myArray

get LibChangeArray(myArray)
end mouseUp


Then there will be one copy of the array stored in gLibArray (in the  
library stack) and one stored in myArray (in the client stack).  
LibChangeArray() will change the copy in myArray and then return, the  
mouseUp handler will return and myArray will be destroyed.

In order to fix this you'd have to add the following line to  
LibChangeArray:

put theArray into sgLibArray

AFAIK, this means the array is copied twice, there may be a way to  
save this copying by use of the "@" keyword but if so I haven't been  
able to figure out how to do it.

Hope this helps
All the Best
Dave

On 30 Mar 2006, at 05:42, James Spencer wrote:

> Can anyone confirm this problem.  I'm getting an array from a  
> function in a library.  I modify that array and then pass it to a  
> handler also in the library.  The debugger is showing that the  
> modified array is valid and contains what it should but the  
> parameter in the library is shown as empty.  I've found a work  
> around by copying the elements of the array to a new array and  
> passing that but obviously this should not be necessary.
>
> Bugzilla shows a bug in the Windows version of 2.7 that is probably  
> the same bug, #3411, but there, the poster stated that they could  
> resolve the problem by simply placing the array they are getting  
> from the function into a temporary variable and then passing that  
> where I'm seeing the problem even when I put it into a temp (as I'm  
> necessarily doing as I modify the array before passing back to the  
> library again.
>
> James P. Spencer
> Rochester, MN
>
> jspencer78 at mac.com
>
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From rcozens at pon.net  Thu Mar 30 11:19:23 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 08:19:23 -0800
Subject: preOpenStack, openStack in Card 1?? Rules conformation.
In-Reply-To: <ED5D4440-0BE3-4585-9992-C03CBB41A90E@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <C04C8FDB.36B51%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<ED5D4440-0BE3-4585-9992-C03CBB41A90E@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <F33ED584-C008-11DA-9260-0030657E1638@pon.net>


Hi Dave,

> I remember a while back I saw something about the preOpenStack and 
> openStack handlers in Card 1 of the mainStack. Since then I have 
> always placed these handlers in Card 1 and "passed" them (via pass 
> command) to the Stack. However I can't seem to find that email 
> anymore, could someone elaborate on how this works?

The Rev Docs (at least the old ones on my Mac) are wrong.  They say 
preOpenStack and openStack are sent to the STACK; however I just tested 
this, and obviously the first CARD of the stack falls within the 
Message Path for these messages.

And you don't need to pass them unless you have preOpenStack and/or 
openStack handlers in the stack script as well as the card script.

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Mar 30 11:20:37 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 08:20:37 -0800
Subject: preOpenStack, openStack in Card 1?? Rules conformation.
Message-ID: <442C0555.6080701@fourthworld.com>

David Burgun wrote:
> I remember a while back I saw something about the preOpenStack and  
> openStack handlers in Card 1 of the mainStack. Since then I have  
> always placed these handlers in Card 1 and "passed" them (via pass  
> command) to the Stack. However I can't seem to find that email  
> anymore, could someone elaborate on how this works?

Most messages are generally sent to the highest object in the message 
path for which the message is relevant.  For example, when you select a 
control that control gets the selectedObjectChanged message.

For messages that have no specific control, like openStack, 
preOpenStack, etc., those are sent to the card.  They can be trapped 
there, or handled in the stack, depending on the scope of what you want 
to accomplish, or even handled in the mainStack or a library or a 
backScript.

For behaviors specific to my mainstack, I tend to put those in the 
mainStack's card script (or if there are multiple cards in my mainStack 
-- rare for me since I tend to use the mainStack as a repository of 
handlers -- I use a group in the mainStack).  I do this because the 
mainStack's stack script is available to all substacks, and the 
alternative requires a decision point ("if the short name of the target 
is the short name of me"); to minimize complexity I try to keep decision 
points to a minimum (more on code complexity and its implications for 
maintenance coming in an article at revJournal soon).

Initialization of course needs to be done only once, and the mainStack's 
first card will be the first recipient of the startup, openStack, and 
preOpenStack messages.  The startup message is only sent at runtime (the 
IDE gets it in development), so to get initialization in both 
development and runtime I use preOpenStack instead.

For readability I tend to structure my initialization like this:

on preOpenStack
   InitApp
end preOpenStack

on InitApp
   InitGlobals
   InitFonts
   InitColors
   InitWindows
   InitMenus
end InitApp

...where each of those "Init*" handlers are also included the card script.

As a matter of tidiness I usually pass all system messages, in case some 
other object is added down the road which needs them.  With 
initialization, however, I prefer that everything be handled in one 
place so I don't pass that preOpenStack message.

I'm not sure if this is exactly what you were looking for; hope it helps.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Thu Mar 30 11:20:41 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:20:41 +0100
Subject: Target not working???
In-Reply-To: <5324482313.20060328150431@ahsoftware.net>
References: <C04D4612.387E1%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<7437744A-6C51-46C5-B2CD-EF5DFE0D7807@dsl.pipex.com>
	<0426D48B-BDAF-11DA-A993-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<8E94910B-EF2E-4315-ACE7-60DF0F95EA87@dsl.pipex.com>
	<11615667939.20060327134115@ahsoftware.net>
	<0746D3B7-3C1F-4DA2-BF01-F7F1BBD86BE9@dsl.pipex.com>
	<5324482313.20060328150431@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <9914156B-C850-40FD-A098-8BF5588C22BE@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi Mark,

On 29 Mar 2006, at 00:04, Mark Wieder wrote:

> David-
>
> Tuesday, March 28, 2006, 3:09:47 AM, you wrote:
>
>> I really can't see that I am "fighting the "natural" object
>> hierarchy". The loop (or something like it needs) to be held
>> somewhere, the fact that it is held in a "central" place really
>> doesn't make much difference. In your example I'd need N loops, one
>> for each stack, doing it my way just results in one loop, e.g. less
>> code. Of course you could make a common function out of your loop and
>> store it in the Stack Script or in a Library and then just call it
>> from each object. This wouldn't be "fighting the "natural" object
>> hierarchy", so how can putting in *my* library be different?
>
> No.
>
> It's tested now. The loop goes in the library stack. One loop. Then it
> gets called on openStack. One line of code per stack. You don't "call"
> it from each object, you send the message to the object from the loop.
> If it's not overloaded in the object it falls through to the library
> stack. That's OOP in action. The fact that it's in a library stack
> makes all the difference. And it's fast because there's no need to
> scan the object scripts.
>
> --in library
> on InitializeEvents
>  local x
>  repeat with x=1 to the number of controls
>    send "ISM_InitializeObject" to control x
>  end repeat
> end InitializeEvents
>
> on ISM_InitializeObject
>   -- we get here if there no ISM_InitializeObject
>   -- handler in the control.
>   -- do the default stuff here
> end ISM_InitializeObject
>
> --in each stack
> on openStack
>   InitializeEvents
> end openStack

Ok, I understand what you mean now. But that's not what I want to do  
in this case. ISM can listen at any level, e.g. the stack level, the  
card level, the group level or the specific control level or a  
mixture of all these cases), so there can be a ISM_Initialize Handler  
in any of the scripts in stack(s), card(s), group(s) control(s). If I  
understand the message passing hierarchy, then it works like this:

Control Level
Group Level
Card Level
Stack Level
[other Stacks, such as back scripts or library stack - I have a  
question on this, please see later on]

So in the case where I want some controls in a group initialize  
themselves *AND* have the Group and/or, Card and/or Stack get  
initialized. If I used the normal hierarchy in this base, as far as I  
understand it, if I had the following setup:

ButtonControl:
on ISM_InitializeObject
	enable me
	ListenForMessage(Msg1, kind,token)
end ISM_InitializeObject

FieldControl:
on ISM_InitializeObject
	ListenForMessage(Msg1, kind,token)
end ISM_InitializeObject

StaticTextControl1:
----No Handler---

StaticTextControl2:
----No Handler---

StaticTextControl3:
----No Handler---

GroupControlX:
on ISM_InitializeObject
	if <something> = <something> then
		enable me
	else
		disable me
	end if

	ListenForMessage(Msg2,Kind,kind,token)
end ISM_InitializeObject

CardX:
on ISM_InitializeObject
end ISM_InitializeObject

StackY:
on ISM_InitializeObject
end ISM_InitializeObject


In this case:

send "ISM_InitializeObject" to "ButtonControl" and send  
"ISM_InitializeObject" to "FieldControl"

would result in "ISM_InitializeObject" being executed in  
"ButtonControl" or "FieldControl".

but sending to "StaticTextControl1" would result in  
"ISM_InitializeObject"  in "GroupControlX" being called, the same  
goes for "StaticTextControl2" and "StaticTextControl3".

In this case the initialization paths would be:
StackY: ISM_InitializeObject
CardX: ISM_InitializeObject
Control 1:  GroupControlX: ISM_InitializeObject
Control 2:  ButtonControl: ISM_InitializeObject
Control 3:  FieldControl: ISM_InitializeObject
Control 4:  GroupControlX: ISM_InitializeObject  (StaticTextControl1  
handler not there)
Control 5:  GroupControlX: ISM_InitializeObject  (StaticTextControl2  
handler not there)
Control 6:  GroupControlX: ISM_InitializeObject  (StaticTextControl3  
handler not there)

So GroupControlX: ISM_InitializeObject would be called needlessly  
(maybe causing damage) three extra times


If the script of GroupControlX didn't contain an ISM_InitializeObject  
handler then it would be:

StackY: ISM_InitializeObject
CardX: ISM_InitializeObject
Control 1:  GroupControlX: ISM_InitializeObject
Control 2:  ButtonControl: ISM_InitializeObject
Control 3:  FieldControl: ISM_InitializeObject
Control 4:  GroupControlX: ISM_InitializeObject  (StaticTextControl1  
handler not there)
Control 5:  CardX: ISM_InitializeObject  (StaticTextControl2 handler  
not there)
Control 6:  CardX: ISM_InitializeObject  (StaticTextControl3 handler  
not there)

If the script of CardX didn't contain an ISM_InitializeObject handler  
then it would be:

StackY: ISM_InitializeObject
CardX: ISM_InitializeObject
Control 1:  GroupControlX: ISM_InitializeObject
Control 2:  ButtonControl: ISM_InitializeObject
Control 3:  FieldControl: ISM_InitializeObject
Control 4:  GroupControlX: ISM_InitializeObject  (StaticTextControl1  
handler not there)
Control 5:  StackY: ISM_InitializeObject  (StaticTextControl2 handler  
not there)
Control 6:  StackY: ISM_InitializeObject  (StaticTextControl3 handler  
not there)

If the script of StackY didn't contain an ISM_InitializeObject  
handler then ISM_InitializeObject would be called in the Library Stack.

And so on in loads of different combinations.

I just want to visit an object once and if there isn't a handler I  
don't want the processing to progress any further. The idea is that  
if an object doesn't have an ISM_InitializeObject present then it's  
assumed either needs no initialization at all or it has already been  
taken care of further up the chain, e.g. it is being taken care of in  
either the Group, Card or Stack level.

This is useful since it allows Groups, Cards or Stacks to change  
their properties (and therefore alter the appearance of the objects  
inside them). For example you might want to change the color of the  
text inside a group/card/stack or enable/disable the group/card/stack  
depending on the state of another control or group.

Imagine you had 4 Complex Groups (A, B, C and D) that interacted with  
each other and they all had to contain valid data before any control  
in a fifth Group was allowed to be . You could arrange for the  
individual groups to listen to a "ValidState" message with the  
parameter A, B, C or D.

Then in the script of the Group or Card or Stack perform the  
"container-wide" update (in this case a group), you would:

on ISM_InitializeObject
get ISMListenForMessage("ValidState","KindValidState")
end

on ValidState theMessageID,theMessageKind,theStatus
  set itemDelimiter to "|"
  switch  item 1 of theStatus
case "A"
	set the cpGroupAValid of me to item 2 of theStatus
	break

case "B"
	set the cpGroupBValid  of me to item 2 of theStatus
	break

case "C
	set the cpGroupCValid  of me to item 2 of theStatus
	break

case "D
	set the cpGroupDValid  of me to item 2 of theStatus
	break
end switch

if ( the cpGroupAValid of me = true) and ( the cpGroupBValid of me =  
true) and ( the cpGroupCValid of me = true) and ( the cpGroupDValid  
of me = true) then
	enable me
else
	disable me
end if
end ValidState

any variation of test is possible, e.g.
(GroupAValid or GroupBValid) and( (GroupCValid) or GroupDValid))
etc.

And in the groups A, B, C, D at the appropriate points:

get ISMPutMessage("ValidState","KindValidState",myGroupTag & "|" &  
myGroupValidFlag)

where myGroupTag = "A", "B", "C", or "D"
where myGroupValidFlag = true or false

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Now, my question!

I am not clear on the message path with regard to Library Stacks.

Given that the above is correct, e.g. the message passes to the  
Control, then Group, then Card, then Stack only calling the next  
level up if the handler is defined or it "passes" the message then  
what happens in the library stack? Does it follow the same control/ 
group/card/stack path. e.g. if the path for handler "TestHandler" if  
Test Handler were not defined in the target stack be as follows:

StackX:Card1:Group1:ControlA:LibStack:

ControlA ---> Group1: ---> Card1 ---> StackX --->

ControlA ---> Group1 ---> Card1 --> LibStack


All the Best
Dave














From rcozens at pon.net  Thu Mar 30 11:35:44 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 08:35:44 -0800
Subject: preOpenStack, openStack in Card 1?? Rules conformation.
In-Reply-To: <F33ED584-C008-11DA-9260-0030657E1638@pon.net>
References: <C04C8FDB.36B51%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<ED5D4440-0BE3-4585-9992-C03CBB41A90E@dsl.pipex.com>
	<F33ED584-C008-11DA-9260-0030657E1638@pon.net>
Message-ID: <3C28A8A8-C00B-11DA-AB79-0030657E1638@pon.net>


Moi:

> The Rev Docs (at least the old ones on my Mac) are wrong.

Actually, it depends on where one looks:

The Dictionary descriptions of preOpenStack and openStack say they are 
sent to the stack; but if one consults the old Dictionary's index 
showing all messages received by a card, both are listed there...along 
with closeStack & closeStackRequest.

Personal note:  I _really_ miss the old Dictionary's indexes of 
properties, messages, etc. by object type.  It was the section I 
referred to most often.     :{(

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."



From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Thu Mar 30 11:37:23 2006
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:37:23 +0100
Subject: Auto Run For Mac CD - Slightly OT
In-Reply-To: <000301c653fd$c9e64320$0201010a@royalnexus>
References: <000301c653fd$c9e64320$0201010a@royalnexus>
Message-ID: <042E95E3-F96B-4B46-98C6-05C06D6AB4F8@azurevision.co.uk>

As far as I know, this isn't possible with OS X, probably because it  
was considered impolite in OS 9 and earlier.

Ian

On 30 Mar 2006, at 14:28, Scott Kane wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I can create auto-run CD's for Windows very easily.  I'd like to
> do the same for the Mac.  Anybody know the secret to doing
> that?
>
> TIA
>
> Scott


From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Thu Mar 30 11:45:30 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:45:30 +0100
Subject: preOpenStack, openStack in Card 1?? Rules conformation.
In-Reply-To: <442C0555.6080701@fourthworld.com>
References: <442C0555.6080701@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <87563B6D-BD8A-454A-939A-ECC1F884D2B9@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi Richard,

On 30 Mar 2006, at 17:20, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> For behaviors specific to my mainstack, I tend to put those in the  
> mainStack's card script (or if there are multiple cards in my  
> mainStack -- rare for me since I tend to use the mainStack as a  
> repository of handlers -- I use a group in the mainStack).  I do  
> this because the mainStack's stack script is available to all  
> substacks, and the alternative requires a decision point ("if the  
> short name of the target is the short name of me"); to minimize  
> complexity I try to keep decision points to a minimum (more on code  
> complexity and its implications for maintenance coming in an  
> article at revJournal soon).
>

I don't tend to use sub-stacks but I do use multiple cards. I tend to  
have a new mainStack (e.g. separate .rev files) for each main window.  
Although I will could use sub-stacks in the future if there were a  
good reason.

> Initialization of course needs to be done only once, and the  
> mainStack's first card will be the first recipient of the startup,  
> openStack, and preOpenStack messages.  The startup message is only  
> sent at runtime (the IDE gets it in development), so to get  
> initialization in both development and runtime I use preOpenStack  
> instead.
>

I use preOpenStack to initialize the app too. I have the handler  
defined in Card 1 of the (only) mainStack, so this should work if I  
add sub-stacks? I hadn't really thought about it, I'm not sure if the  
mainStack should initialize itself and all it's sub-stacks or whether  
sub-stacks should initialize themselves when they opened.

Also I am not clear of the path the preOpenStack and openStack  
handlers take. For a mainStack I'm guessing its:

mainStack:Card1:preOpenStack and if not defined mainStack: preOpenStack.

But how about a sub-stack?

subStack:preOpenStack ??


> For readability I tend to structure my initialization like this:
>
> on preOpenStack
>   InitApp
> end preOpenStack
>
> on InitApp
>   InitGlobals
>   InitFonts
>   InitColors
>   InitWindows
>   InitMenus
> end InitApp
>
> ...where each of those "Init*" handlers are also included the card  
> script.

I do it like this too.
>
> As a matter of tidiness I usually pass all system messages, in case  
> some other object is added down the road which needs them.  With  
> initialization, however, I prefer that everything be handled in one  
> place so I don't pass that preOpenStack message.
>
> I'm not sure if this is exactly what you were looking for; hope it  
> helps.

Yes, it helps a lot!
Thanks Again
Dave


From mfstuart at cox.net  Thu Mar 30 12:10:27 2006
From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:10:27 -0500
Subject: ODBC connection to MS SQL 2000 help needed
Message-ID: <20060330171027.QSHK20875.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@[172.18.180.8]>

Hi all,

I?m enjoying this forum immensely ? lots of pros with great advice and friendly chatter.
Hence I?m looking for help with the subject matter.

I?m using Sarah?s MySQLtest.rev to learn the required database connections, 
but I?m wanting to connect to MS SQL 2000 with an ODBC DSN name.
I?ve set up a System DSN for this using the SQL Server driver and SQL authentication.
Selected the default database, and the Test Data Source completes successfully.

I know it requires a change to the revOpenDatabase script,
and have made the changes, and have a successful connection.

Problem is, the select returns no data (when I know there is data) and the Counter = -1 for Matching records.
I?ve tried with and without the semicolon ?;? in the ?on mouseUp? for the ?Select? button.

Here?s the select statement:

SELECT account_number as "Account No", account_name as "Account Name" FROM account;

I know there are plug-ins out there for database connections, 
but I?m trying to learn Rev Studio as it is.

Any help will be much appreciated, thanx.

Mark



From rcozens at pon.net  Thu Mar 30 12:18:43 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:18:43 -0800
Subject: Image Contrast
In-Reply-To: <442ADF41.4010707@openpartnership.net>
References: <001001c65365$ea30b220$1c037b98@p42600>
	<442ADF41.4010707@openpartnership.net>
Message-ID: <3D169B2C-C011-11DA-8A46-0030657E1638@pon.net>


Hi David,

> question about how to script changing the image contrast - you know 
> with a slider? As far as I can figure there are three ways to go:
>

How about:

(4) With image "My Image" over a white background

Slider with start value of zero, end value 26, opens with current value 
13.

on mouseStillDown
	set the blendLevel of image "My Image" to the thumbPosition of me
end mouseStillDown

on mouseUp
	set the blendLevel of image "My Image" to the thumbPosition of me
end MouseUp

In my application the actual image changes, and is stored in the card's 
expandedImage property; so my slider does:

on mouseStillDown
	get word 2 to -1 of the expandedImage of this card
	set the blendLevel of image it to the thumbPosition of me
end mouseStillDown

MouseMove probably works as well.

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From lynn at paradigmasoft.com  Thu Mar 30 12:29:35 2006
From: lynn at paradigmasoft.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:29:35 -0800
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603300016090.9078-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <1068382662-266900307@lindbergh.macserve.net>

> But, you see, *I*'ve seen DarkShadows enough times so as to 
> be able to recognize the symptoms!
> 
> Been watching it since I was 3-4 years old.  Even though it 
> went off the air in 1971 (here's where Parallel Time comes in 
> handy) ;-)

It must be a side effect of Jacque's time travel stack, moving from alpha to
beta :-)

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd




From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Thu Mar 30 12:31:35 2006
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:31:35 -0800
Subject: OT: Apple at 30 - My Piece of the Big Fruit
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603300025580.9078-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <20060330173310.489E6109F2D@spunkymail-a6.dreamhost.com>

> What a fun 'blast from the past'!
> 
> I was about to choke on your description of the $10k IIci but 
> then remembered that our own first Mac -- a II plain and tall 
> -- was a good $3k on an edu discount ca 1989, and that a 
> color monitor would have run us an extra $600 US.  And that 
> the 'upgrade' from 1 MB -> 2 MB RAM was more than $100 US 
> several years later (for the kiddies, that's more than the 
> pizza or two that $100 would buy today).

Paying import was a real slap on top of the high cost of Macs then. How
refreshing is the Mac Mini :-)

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd




From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 30 12:34:50 2006
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:34:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: ODBC connection to MS SQL 2000 help needed
In-Reply-To: <20060330171027.QSHK20875.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@[172.18.180.8]>
Message-ID: <20060330173450.44342.qmail@web60523.mail.yahoo.com>

--- mfstuart at cox.net wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> [snip]
> 
> Problem is, the select returns no data (when I know
> there is data) and the Counter = -1 for Matching
> records.
> I?ve tried with and without the semicolon ?;? in the
> ?on mouseUp? for the ?Select? button.
> 
> Here?s the select statement:
> 
> SELECT account_number as "Account No", account_name
> as "Account Name" FROM account;
> 
> [snip]
> 
> Any help will be much appreciated, thanx.
> 
> Mark
> 

Hi Mark,

There's nothiong worng with your SELECT query ; the
problem is in the ODBC database driver not always
returning the correct record count. I've seen this
with Access and Progress databases as well.

Hopefully, the next revision opf the database drivers
will improve on this problem. The easiest workaround
for now is to traverse the record set until
revdb_iseof() returns true.
--
repeat until revdb_iseof(tCursorID)
  get revdb_movenext(tCursorID)
  ## do something with the data in the currentrecord
end repeat
--

Unfortunately, some databases only support read-only
forward-only cursors -- so you should traverse the
record set and fetch all the data you want in one go.

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam Reports for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

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From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Thu Mar 30 12:52:12 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:52:12 +0100
Subject: OT: Apple at 30 - My Piece of the Big Fruit
In-Reply-To: <1068433584-263845008@lindbergh.macserve.net>
References: <1068433584-263845008@lindbergh.macserve.net>
Message-ID: <C6C4898E-093B-4CF7-94D5-4E070EEEF6F1@dsl.pipex.com>


On 30 Mar 2006, at 04:20, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

> Ive been watching the nostalgia building over the last week for the  
> Apple
> 30th anniversary (this Saturday on April 1) and starting to feel a  
> little
> nostalgic myself (digging out my much loved PowerCD).

I'd totally forgotten about the PowerCD! I remember having to buy one  
in a panic on visiting someone in California and they didn't have a  
CD drive on their Mac ci!

All the Best
Dave






From johnpatten at mac.com  Thu Mar 30 13:01:27 2006
From: johnpatten at mac.com (John Patten)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 10:01:27 -0800
Subject: Navigating through added XML data?
Message-ID: <13722874.1143741687806.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>

Thanks Sarah and Peter!

Also Sarah's tutorial has been very helpful. I have never done anything with XML, or arrays for that matter, so it's still a lot of trial and error. It's kind of strange how you can stare at something for a couple hours, go away for a while, come back to it, and then BING, the solution just kind of jumps out at you.

What was messing me up was I was looking at the text of an xml file, and seeing it formatted correctly lead me to believe that the XML was good. When I started dumping out the XML after I added a new attribute and child nodes, I noticed I was not getting things right. Essentially, not getting the paths correct in the XML file for the new attribute and subsequent new child nodes.

Here is what finally worked for me:

 put cd fld "XMLID" into theTargetXML
  
  
  put revXMLNumberOfChildren(cd fld "XMLID","URL_Table",,-1) into numberOfNodes
  put (numberOfNodes div 10)into theNewNode
  add 1 to TheNewNode
  
  RevAddXMLNode theTargetXML,"URL_Table/","URL",""
  
  revSetXMLAttribute theTargetXML,"/URL_Table/URL"&"[" & theNewNode &"]","IDnum",theNewNode
  
  revAddXMLNode theTargetXML,"/URL_Table/URL" &"[" & theNewNode &"]","subject","Art"
  revAddXMLNode theTargetXML,"/URL_Table/URL" &"[" & theNewNode &"]","key_words","Fine Art"
  revAddXMLNode theTargetXML,"/URL_Table/URL" &"[" & theNewNode &"]","Grade","5"
  revAddXMLNode theTargetXML,"/URL_Table/URL" &"[" & theNewNode &"]","Standard","Creativity"
  revAddXMLNode theTargetXML,"/URL_Table/URL" &"[" & theNewNode &"]","Title","Art in the Classroom"
  revAddXMLNode theTargetXML,"/URL_Table/URL" &"[" & theNewNode &"]","Description","Will this work for Art"
  revAddXMLNode theTargetXML,"/URL_Table/URL" &"[" & theNewNode &"]","Submitted_by","John Art"
  revAddXMLNode theTargetXML,"/URL_Table/URL" &"[" & theNewNode &"]","emailAddress","art at mail.com"
  revAddXMLNode theTargetXML,"/URL_Table/URL" &"[" & theNewNode &"]","school","Orchard School"


This seems to work correctly, however i do notice in the XML file the new attribute has all the content after it in addition to the nodes that have it individually. Not sure why it's doing that?

However, navigating through the attributes and associated nodes is not a big deal because I'm only using the first part of the attribute (i.e.1,2, 3..) when determining which group of nodes to display.

I'm sure there there are a lot more sophisticated ways to do what I'm trying to do, but at least I continue to be successful! :-)


Thank you!

John Patten
SUSD





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Message: 23 
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:26:33 +1000 
From: "Sarah Reichelt" <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com> 
Subject: Re: Navigating through added XML data? 
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com> 
Message-ID: 
<f99b52860603291926tb008fc5sc4ee410e1001b9b4 at mail.gmail.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 

> I'm trying to learn to use XML to store stack data. I've managed to load an existing XML document into the stack, navigate through XML data using revXMLMatchingNode and revXMLChildContents and placing contents in specific flds, and creating additonal data using revSetXMLAttribute and revAddXMLNode. 
> 
> So far so good. However, ultimatley I want to be able to continue navigating through the XML data including any new data that has been entered. 
> 
> I can see that the additional data has been added by using revXMLChildContents, however I don't know how to save the results of revXMLChildContents back into the stack as a XML file, and thus enabling navigation through the appended XML file. 



From lynn at paradigmasoft.com  Thu Mar 30 13:25:34 2006
From: lynn at paradigmasoft.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 10:25:34 -0800
Subject: OT: Apple at 30 - My Piece of the Big Fruit
In-Reply-To: <C6C4898E-093B-4CF7-94D5-4E070EEEF6F1@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <1068379299-267102103@lindbergh.macserve.net>

> > Ive been watching the nostalgia building over the last week for the 
> > Apple 30th anniversary (this Saturday on April 1) and 
> starting to feel 
> > a little nostalgic myself (digging out my much loved PowerCD).
> 
> I'd totally forgotten about the PowerCD! I remember having to 
> buy one in a panic on visiting someone in California and they 
> didn't have a CD drive on their Mac ci!

Sadly, my wife tossed the original packaging, so I cant enjoy the true
collector's experience. It makes a fine mini-system though with powered
speakers.

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd




From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Mar 30 13:38:30 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:38:30 -0600
Subject: Navigating through added XML data?
In-Reply-To: <13722874.1143741687806.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C05181C6.38B39%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/30/06 12:01 PM, "John Patten" <johnpatten at mac.com> wrote:

>   put revXMLNumberOfChildren(cd fld "XMLID","URL_Table",,-1) into
> numberOfNodes
>   put (numberOfNodes div 10)into theNewNode
>   add 1 to TheNewNode

Just curious, John... why did you need to divide the number of child nodes
by 10 and add 1 to get the new node number? Wouldn't it just be (the number
of children + 1) ?

> This seems to work correctly, however i do notice in the XML file the new
> attribute has all the content after it in addition to the nodes that have it
> individually. Not sure why it's doing that?

You mean all the child nodes have the same content? Can you provide an
example of what you're seeing?
 
Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From transcom at comcast.net  Thu Mar 30 13:41:58 2006
From: transcom at comcast.net (Michael Mandaville)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 10:41:58 -0800
Subject: Adding List Items to Popup/Option Menus, etc., 
Message-ID: <C0516676.22B5%transcom@comcast.net>

I am trying to take a items from a list to automatically populate PopUpMenus
and Option Menus when the List is updated.

The List uses a Priority Group - tPrimary.  An Option Menu - tSecondary.   A
field - tTask.   It puts these items into a field "List"

Here's the code for the button which puts these items into the field "List"

ON mouseUp
    put the hilitedButtonName of group "CheckBoxGroup" into tPrimary
    put the selectedText of button "Secondary" into tSecondary
    put field "Task" into tTask
    put tPrimary & tab & tSecondary & tab & tTask & cr after field "List"
END mouseUp

The above works fine.  Now I want to take the above items and put them into
a PopUpMenu (assuming that the same code also works for other menus, e.g.,
OptionMenu, etc., )

NOTES:

?The PopMenu would be on the same card as the list so I believe that this is
a local variable.
?Other PopMenus will be within the stack or on substacks so I believe that
this would require a global variable.   It sounds like it's better to use
globalvariables in the solution to have the info accessible from other
stacks and cards. 
?I would like to have the option of sorting the populated PopUpMenu by the
tPrimary variable.  All items set to "A" would be shown.

Thanks for all your help.  I've cut and pasted a half-dozen scripts and
tried my usual gum and bailing wire syntax.

Michael 








From revolution at jaedworks.com  Wed Mar 29 23:13:41 2006
From: revolution at jaedworks.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 20:13:41 -0800
Subject: What happen with function screenloc() and screenrect()?
In-Reply-To: <001001c65365$ea30b220$1c037b98@p42600>
References: <001001c65365$ea30b220$1c037b98@p42600>
Message-ID: <p06210272c0510a566528@[66.93.39.98]>

At 2:19 PM -0500 3/29/2006, Gilberto Cuba wrote:
>I am found that functions screenloc() and screenrect() not work fine 
>or I don't understanding the documentations.
>Occur that I change the resolution when my application start and I 
>tried to center the software with
>
>set the loc of this stack to screenloc()
>
>this not work fine. Why? I found that function screenloc() and 
>screenrect() keep the values of the last resolution and not refresh 
>with the new display resolution.

Yes, all of the screen functions behave like this (screenLoc, 
screenRect, windowBoundingRect, colorMap, colorWorld, screenType). 
They are set only when the application starts up, and they are not 
updated if you change the settings. As it says in the docs for 
screenRect: "The value returned by the screenRect function is updated 
only when you start up the application. If you change the screen 
settings after starting up the application, you must quit and restart 
to update the screenRect."

The best way is probably to create your own function. If you are 
setting the resolution, then you know what the new resolution is, and 
you can place the new value in a global variable. Then use that 
instead of the built-in screenLoc or screenRect.
-- 
jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
http://www.jaedworks.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Mar 30 14:34:03 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:34:03 -0800
Subject: preOpenStack, openStack in Card 1?? Rules conformation
Message-ID: <442C32AB.1070508@fourthworld.com>

David Burgun wrote:
> I don't tend to use sub-stacks but I do use multiple cards. I tend to  
> have a new mainStack (e.g. separate .rev files) for each main window.  
> Although I will could use sub-stacks in the future if there were a  
> good reason.

I use substacks less and less, and rarely in the stack that is the 
application.  These days my app stack is just a light shell which looks 
into a Components folder for all the program's meat.  This approach lets 
me update components from within the application on the fly if needed, 
right in the user's current session.

>> Initialization of course needs to be done only once, and the  
>> mainStack's first card will be the first recipient of the startup,  
>> openStack, and preOpenStack messages.  The startup message is only  
>> sent at runtime (the IDE gets it in development), so to get  
>> initialization in both development and runtime I use preOpenStack  
>> instead.
> 
> I use preOpenStack to initialize the app too. I have the handler  
> defined in Card 1 of the (only) mainStack, so this should work if I  
> add sub-stacks?

Sure.  As a card script, it'll have no effect on any substacks in the file.

> I hadn't really thought about it, I'm not sure if the  
> mainStack should initialize itself and all it's sub-stacks or whether  
> sub-stacks should initialize themselves when they opened.

I don't have a hard-and-fast rule on that myself, though I tend to 
initialize only the things I need to when I need them.  I really like 
getting from double-click to ready-to-work as quickly as possible.  It's 
been pleasing to eliminate the splash screen from many programs because 
they load so fast; when the splash is only visible for a fraction of a 
second it's more of a distraction ("what was that?" than a help. :)

> Also I am not clear of the path the preOpenStack and openStack  
> handlers take. For a mainStack I'm guessing its:
> 
> mainStack:Card1:preOpenStack and if not defined mainStack: preOpenStack.
> 
> But how about a sub-stack?
> 
> subStack:preOpenStack ??

For a diagram of the firing order see:

<http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/revolution_message_path.html>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Thu Mar 30 14:42:45 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 20:42:45 +0100
Subject: preOpenStack, openStack in Card 1?? Rules conformation
In-Reply-To: <442C32AB.1070508@fourthworld.com>
References: <442C32AB.1070508@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <766EA45B-A7C4-4ED6-A95F-817907DECB70@dsl.pipex.com>


On 30 Mar 2006, at 20:34, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> David Burgun wrote:
>> I don't tend to use sub-stacks but I do use multiple cards. I tend  
>> to  have a new mainStack (e.g. separate .rev files) for each main  
>> window.  Although I will could use sub-stacks in the future if  
>> there were a  good reason.
>
> I use substacks less and less, and rarely in the stack that is the  
> application.  These days my app stack is just a light shell which  
> looks into a Components folder for all the program's meat.  This  
> approach lets me update components from within the application on  
> the fly if needed, right in the user's current session.
>
>>> Initialization of course needs to be done only once, and the   
>>> mainStack's first card will be the first recipient of the  
>>> startup,  openStack, and preOpenStack messages.  The startup  
>>> message is only  sent at runtime (the IDE gets it in  
>>> development), so to get  initialization in both development and  
>>> runtime I use preOpenStack  instead.
>> I use preOpenStack to initialize the app too. I have the handler   
>> defined in Card 1 of the (only) mainStack, so this should work if  
>> I  add sub-stacks?
>
> Sure.  As a card script, it'll have no effect on any substacks in  
> the file.
>
>> I hadn't really thought about it, I'm not sure if the  mainStack  
>> should initialize itself and all it's sub-stacks or whether  sub- 
>> stacks should initialize themselves when they opened.
>
> I don't have a hard-and-fast rule on that myself, though I tend to  
> initialize only the things I need to when I need them.  I really  
> like getting from double-click to ready-to-work as quickly as  
> possible.  It's been pleasing to eliminate the splash screen from  
> many programs because they load so fast; when the splash is only  
> visible for a fraction of a second it's more of a distraction  
> ("what was that?" than a help. :)

Yes! That's my experience too, I usually do a "wait" for a few  
seconds in the splash screen, but if the user clicks in the splash  
screen, I dismiss it straight away.

>
>> Also I am not clear of the path the preOpenStack and openStack   
>> handlers take. For a mainStack I'm guessing its:
>> mainStack:Card1:preOpenStack and if not defined mainStack:  
>> preOpenStack.
>> But how about a sub-stack?
>> subStack:preOpenStack ??
>
> For a diagram of the firing order see:
>
> <http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/ 
> revolution_message_path.html>

Thanks this was very interesting, I'm guessing the path used for  
preOpenStack is the same one as for openCard?

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave




From david at openpartnership.net  Thu Mar 30 14:52:20 2006
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:52:20 +0200
Subject: Image Contrast
In-Reply-To: <3D169B2C-C011-11DA-8A46-0030657E1638@pon.net>
References: <001001c65365$ea30b220$1c037b98@p42600>	<442ADF41.4010707@openpartnership.net>
	<3D169B2C-C011-11DA-8A46-0030657E1638@pon.net>
Message-ID: <442C36F4.1000208@openpartnership.net>

Rob Cozens wrote:
>
> Hi David,
>
>> question about how to script changing the image contrast - you know 
>> with a slider? As far as I can figure there are three ways to go:
>
> How about:
>
> (4) With image "My Image" over a white background
>
> Slider with start value of zero, end value 26, opens with current 
> value 13.
>
> on mouseStillDown
>     set the blendLevel of image "My Image" to the thumbPosition of me
> end mouseStillDown
>
> on mouseUp
>     set the blendLevel of image "My Image" to the thumbPosition of me
> end MouseUp
>
> In my application the actual image changes, and is stored in the 
> card's expandedImage property; so my slider does:
>
> on mouseStillDown
>     get word 2 to -1 of the expandedImage of this card
>     set the blendLevel of image it to the thumbPosition of me
> end mouseStillDown 

Great - had a dream this might be possible last night - you know you are 
in trouble when you start to dream of such things :)

Guess you could use a black background to darken the image - is there 
any difference between this effect and adjusting the velocity of the pixels?

Also guess there is no such trick with "contrast"?

Does the convolve dll allow you to adjust contrast and brightness - what 
would that matrix be - lets have a quick search....




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Mar 30 14:51:49 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:51:49 -0800
Subject: Plugins folder in v2.7?
Message-ID: <442C36D5.5030406@fourthworld.com>

The Whats_New.txt file sez:

    There is a new directory structure.  The customization folder is
    in "Documents/My Revolution [edition]", and contains subfolders:
      Plug ins now load from "Plugins" folder

I've scoured my drive looking for such a folder and no luck.

Whaddup widdat?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Thu Mar 30 14:52:22 2006
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 20:52:22 +0100
Subject: Applescript? CORRECTION
In-Reply-To: <C04F1F14.36CF8%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C04F1F14.36CF8%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <525A48C7-8431-4764-8437-7C127F678217@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi,

What does revCheckQuit do? I can't find anything about it in the  
documentation.

Also what does:

exit to top

do? I can't find this form (top) of exit documented either. The  
"pass" documentation in the dictionary also shows a "top" parameter  
too, but doesn't say what it does, except that it was added in  
version 2.1!


Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave

On 29 Mar 2006, at 02:12, Jim Ault wrote:

> DON'T USE THE PREVIOUS APPLEEVENT HANDLER
> --I included 1 bug ==> "aevtdosc" rather than miscdosc"
> --and a dangling comment
> FIxed here.
>
> To be clear, Rev 2.2.1 allowed the "do script" to be sent from another
> program to Rev and trigger a handler. I used this form.
>
> Then, version 2.5.1 no longer would respond automatically, but  
> required
> adding an AppleEvent handler that would trap AppleEvents, then  
> parse the
> parameters to find what kind of call and which handler to process.
>
> EXPERIMENT
> goal [1] to get it to work simply
> goal [2] to see double, triple call results
> goal [3] to see 'answer dialog' difficulties
>
> Here is how to call a handler in the current stack script or  
> further along
> the message hierarchy
> --in Script Editor [goal 1]
> tell application "Revolution"
>     ?event miscdosc? " testHandlerA"
> end tell
>
> where 'misc' is appleevent class miscellaneous
> 'dosc' is do script
> ' testHandlerA' is the handler name
>
> in Rev (1) make a new main stack
> (2) paste the following TWO handlers into the main stack script
> (3) switch from pointer mode to browse mode
> (4) make sure your new stack is in front.
> (5) empty the message box to see the output
> (6) for some reason with 2.6.1 in the IDE it was necessary for me  
> to go from
> browse mode to pointer mode and back again to get the AS call to  
> work each
> time.
>
> --script 1 --
> on appleEvent p1, p2, p3
>
>   request AppleEvent data
>   put cr & p1&& p2 && p3 && it after msg
>
>   if p1 & p2 is "aevtquit" then
>     if the mode of stack "answer dialog" is not 0 then exit to top  
> -- dialog
> on screen
>     revCheckQuit
>     if the result is "quit" then
>       lock messages -- prevent duplicate shutDownRequest
>       quit
>     else
>       exit appleEvent
>     end if
>   end if
>   if p1&p2 is "aevtodoc" then
>     --appleEvent sent when stack is opened from the finder
>     request AppleEvent data
>     put it into tData
>     repeat for each line l in tData
>       lock messages
>       put (there is a stack l) into tExists
>       unlock messages
>       if not tExists then answer error "Unable to open stack: stack is
> corrupted, check for ~ backup file."
>       else go stack l
>     end repeat
>     exit appleEvent
>   end if
>   if p1&p2 is "miscdosc" then
>     request AppleEvent data
>     put it into tData
>     try
>       --do tData
>       send tData to me in 500 milliseconds
>     catch errorMsg
>       answer error "Unable to execute handler '"&tData&"'..."
>       exit appleEvent
>     end try
>     exit appleEvent
>   end if
>
>   pass appleEvent
> end appleEvent
>
> on testHandlerA
>   --answer "You got here via AS  !!!"
>   put cr& "You got here via AS  !!!    another fine functionality"  
> after msg
> end testHandlerA
>
> on testHandlerB
>   --answer "The BBBBB version  !!!" after msg
>   put cr& "The B version  !!!    " after msg
> end testHandlerB
> ---------------------------  end copy of code here ------
> --CAUTION  this will cause a dialog box to show and point out another
> gotcha... the calling Applescript will not complete until Rev  
> completes the
> AppleEvent handler.  Therefore, you should use the 'send' command  
> in Rev
>
> as follows :
> send tData to me in 500 milliseconds
>
>
> EXPERIMENT
> Now try adding another event
> tell application "Revolution"
>     ?event miscdosc? "testHandlerA"
>     ?event miscdosc? "testHandlerB excessData"
>
>     set readyFlag to "true"
>     ?event miscdosc? "testHandlerB " & readyFlag
>
>     set story to "A fine sunny day in the garden"
>     ?event miscdosc? "testHandlerB " & story
>
> end tell
>
> EXPERIMENT
> Now try using the 'do' line and not the 'send' line
> Note the order of execution!!
>
> EXPERIMENT
> Now try using answer dialogs with and without 'send'
>
> Thanks to the great work of Ken Ray
> Valuable links
> http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/ascr004.htm
>
> http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/revolution.htm
>
> Hope you find this useful
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
> On 3/28/06 1:56 PM, "Troy Rollins" <troy_lists at rpsystems.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Mar 28, 2006, at 4:16 PM, Klaus Major wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> My Applescript tool (Late Night Software's "Script Debugger X")
>>>> claims that Revolution is not scriptable, where it used to show
>>>> support for "do script"... any ideas?
>>>
>>> I have asked this a couple of times on this list some time ago, but
>>> nobody seemed
>>> to care or answered my question...
>>
>> Ah. So, it isn't just mine.
>>
>> Darn.
>>
>> --
>> Troy
>> RPSystems, Ltd.
>> http://www.rpsystems.net
>>
>>
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From jeff at siphonophore.com  Thu Mar 30 14:56:45 2006
From: jeff at siphonophore.com (jeffrey reynolds)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:56:45 -0500
Subject: OT: Apple at 30 - My Piece of the Big Fruit
In-Reply-To: <20060330180004.640EA825511@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060330180004.640EA825511@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <581F153D-786A-4244-A7E5-A4BF9F7B6BD2@siphonophore.com>

I remember getting my 2mb upgrade for my SE to go to 2.5mb in 1988.  
it cost $350 through the berkeley education program (i was a grad  
student then). it was right when there was that short, but big,  
memory price spike (i think it was a fake shortage thing by some  
overseas suppliers) and when the chips were delivered the street  
price on them was up over $1000. as i walked out of the campus office  
where i picked up the little package with the simms, there were  
literally about a dozen professors in the hall outside trying to buy  
simms off folks since they were very hard to get. I could have made a  
fast $500-600 profit if i had been willing to part with them then  
bought them a couple of months later for like $250. being the  
lifetime propeller head i am i resisted. that was a month of grad  
student pay!

my first mac IIfx with 13" color monitor came in at $7k on the Apple  
developer program which at that time was close to half retail. it  
sooo fast at the time! it survived a half cup of coffee getting  
sucked up into it (coffee under those machines would get sucked up by  
convection through some small slots and then short the mother board)  
and lived on for years with an 040 accelerator card.

fond memories... Basis108, Mac Plus, Mac SE, Mac IIfx, Powerbook 100,  
Powermac 8200, Powerbook duo 230, Powerbook 5300cs, PowerComputing  
120, Powermac G4 dual 450, powerbook Ti, G5 dual 2ghz, 17" powerbook  
G4...

makes my head hurt to total the money spent on these, but its earned  
me a living all the time and been enjoyable!

cheers,

jeff reynolds

On Mar 30, 2006, at 1:00 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

>> What a fun 'blast from the past'!
>>
>> I was about to choke on your description of the $10k IIci but
>> then remembered that our own first Mac -- a II plain and tall
>> -- was a good $3k on an edu discount ca 1989, and that a 
>> color monitor would have run us an extra $600 US.  And that
>> the 'upgrade' from 1 MB -> 2 MB RAM was more than $100 US
>> several years later (for the kiddies, that's more than the
>> pizza or two that $100 would buy today).



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 30 14:57:39 2006
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:57:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Plugins folder in v2.7?
In-Reply-To: <442C36D5.5030406@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <20060330195739.12814.qmail@web60521.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
> The Whats_New.txt file sez:
> 
>     There is a new directory structure.  The
> customization folder is
>     in "Documents/My Revolution [edition]", and
> contains subfolders:
>       Plug ins now load from "Plugins" folder
> 
> I've scoured my drive looking for such a folder and
> no luck.
> 
> Whaddup widdat?
> 
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
> 

Hi Richard,

This folder is not created for you, unfortunately --
but you can make it yourself, in the 'My Documents'
folder on Windows, or in the 'Documents' folder inside
your 'Home' folder on MacOSX.

Someone ought to make a stack that creates these for
you, and post it on RevOnline or something ;-)

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam Reports for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Mar 30 14:57:39 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:57:39 -0800
Subject: preOpenStack, openStack in Card 1?? Rules conformation
Message-ID: <442C3833.1060602@fourthworld.com>

David Burgun wrote:

>>> Also I am not clear of the path the preOpenStack and openStack   
>>> handlers take. For a mainStack I'm guessing its:
>>> mainStack:Card1:preOpenStack and if not defined mainStack:  
>>> preOpenStack.
>>> But how about a sub-stack?
>>> subStack:preOpenStack ??
>>
>> For a diagram of the firing order see:
>>
>> <http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/revolution_message_path.html>
> 
> Thanks this was very interesting, I'm guessing the path used for  
> preOpenStack is the same one as for openCard?

Yep.  The path is pretty much the same for all messages, going to the 
topmost object in the path for which the message is relevant, and then 
passing through the path as shown in that diagram.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Mar 30 15:02:28 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:02:28 -0800
Subject: Plugins folder in v2.7?
Message-ID: <442C3954.60502@fourthworld.com>

Jan Schenkel wrote:
> --- Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>> The Whats_New.txt file sez:
>> 
>>     There is a new directory structure.  The
>> customization folder is
>>     in "Documents/My Revolution [edition]", and
>> contains subfolders:
>>       Plug ins now load from "Plugins" folder
>> 
>> I've scoured my drive looking for such a folder and
>> no luck.
>> 
>> Whaddup widdat?
> 
> This folder is not created for you, unfortunately --
> but you can make it yourself, in the 'My Documents'
> folder on Windows, or in the 'Documents' folder inside
> your 'Home' folder on MacOSX.
> 
> Someone ought to make a stack that creates these for
> you, and post it on RevOnline or something ;-)

Yes.  Perhaps it could be called the Rev IDE. :)

I just submitted a request for this:
<http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=3475>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
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From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Thu Mar 30 15:25:34 2006
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 22:25:34 +0200
Subject: Question about text cgis
Message-ID: <442C3EBD.3641855A@club-internet.fr>

Hi list,

I have a blank : I'm looking for a way to "include" external handlers
in a text-based cgi script and can't find a way to do that...
Here's what I mean : let's say I have a handler that performs a specific

task ("on myTask") that I want to use in various cgi scripts. Of course
I can paste it in every script after the "on startup / end startup"
handler,
but it would be more convenient if it were an external file and to just
call it from each script, just like "#include" for libraries in C, or
"require_once" in php etc.

I see how to do it with cgi stacks, but is there a way to do that with
text-based scripts ?

Thanks,
JB



From troy_lists at rpsystems.net  Thu Mar 30 15:21:52 2006
From: troy_lists at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:21:52 -0500
Subject: Plugins folder in v2.7?
In-Reply-To: <442C3954.60502@fourthworld.com>
References: <442C3954.60502@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <18E52491-C3DD-43CF-A629-0F016C84BEA0@rpsystems.net>


On Mar 30, 2006, at 3:02 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Yes.  Perhaps it could be called the Rev IDE. :)
>
> I just submitted a request for this:
> <http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=3475>

Not to mention that the location for the plugins goes against all  
reason. The documents folder is for user documents, NOT active  
program plugins. The appropriate location for this on OSX would be in  
the ~/Library/Application Support/Revolution/plugins folder.

Which of course, the IDE should create for you if it doesn't already  
exist.

--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net




From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 30 15:24:49 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:24:49 -0800
Subject: Question about text cgis
In-Reply-To: <442C3EBD.3641855A@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <C0517E91.36EA7%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Try these steps :

put "script01"&".txt" into FN
put "c:/my documents/" into pathh
set the script of this card to url ("file:" & pathh & FN)

--or the script of button 22, etc.

set the script of this card to ""

--adding to the stack script would be
get the script of this stack
set the script of this stack to it & cr &  url ("file:" & pathh & FN)

--more elaborate
put the script of this card into origCdScript
get url ("file:" & pathh & FN) & cr & origCdScript
set the script of this card to it
--call handler
set the script of this card to origCdScript

--alternative
put " origCdScript"&".txt" into FN
put "c:/my documents/" into pathh
put the script of this card into url ("file:" & pathh & FN)

 
Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 3/30/06 12:25 PM, "jbv" <jbv.silences at club-internet.fr> wrote:

> Hi list,
> 
> I have a blank : I'm looking for a way to "include" external handlers
> in a text-based cgi script and can't find a way to do that...
> Here's what I mean : let's say I have a handler that performs a specific
> 
> task ("on myTask") that I want to use in various cgi scripts. Of course
> I can paste it in every script after the "on startup / end startup"
> handler,
> but it would be more convenient if it were an external file and to just
> call it from each script, just like "#include" for libraries in C, or
> "require_once" in php etc.
> 
> I see how to do it with cgi stacks, but is there a way to do that with
> text-based scripts ?
> 
> Thanks,
> JB
> 
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From jonkotthoff at clarionstl.com  Thu Mar 30 15:36:54 2006
From: jonkotthoff at clarionstl.com (Jonathan Kotthoff)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:36:54 -0600
Subject: Problems with revcopyfile
Message-ID: <7CCC304C-47CA-4198-AC1B-43A40D5EE717@clarionstl.com>

This does not seem like it should be this hard...I must be missing  
something...i am running 2.7 making a simple stack that will copy a  
file to a target on Winows XP and Mac OS X.4...

here is the code:

on mouseUp
   -- bring up a standard system "save as" file selector

   ask file "Save file as:"
-- if the user cancels, exit without saving
   if it is empty then exit mouseUp
   -- put it into filePath
   put it into filePath
-- Copy file
  revCopyFile "/Content/rubyonrails.pdf",filePath
end mouseUp

no file is copied to the target folder however...

anybody have an example of a stack that copies or an explanation

Thanks in advance...

Jonathan

From rjb at robelko.com  Thu Mar 30 15:51:04 2006
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 22:51:04 +0200
Subject: OT: Apple at 30 - My Piece of the Big Fruit
In-Reply-To: <581F153D-786A-4244-A7E5-A4BF9F7B6BD2@siphonophore.com>
References: <20060330180004.640EA825511@mail.runrev.com>
	<581F153D-786A-4244-A7E5-A4BF9F7B6BD2@siphonophore.com>
Message-ID: <a06110410c051efa6b4e7@[192.168.1.104]>

We had Apple III (yes, the ill-fated 3 not 2) in the p-chem lab and 
nobody knew what to do with it, so I got a free rein in using it. 
That was a few years before Lisa and Macs. My first programs allowed 
me to quickly check the correctness of calculations on student lab 
reports :)

My first own Mac was SE but more memorable was a purchase of my first 
hard drive a while later: close to $1200 for the whooping 20 MB 
zero-footprint Jasmine drive. It was a big sacrifice for a graduate 
student but I felt like a king!

Robert


From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Thu Mar 30 15:57:36 2006
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 22:57:36 +0200
Subject: OpenStack in Card 1
Message-ID: <08ef99cf966568e5742bf56dfbcce80b@wanadoo.fr>

Hi Dave,

In the documentation, it clearly states that the OpenStack and
preOpenStack are sent to "the destination card" in the stack,
which will usually be card 1 (unless otherwise specified). So
your "remember" is correct. I had problems in this area before
I read the documentation (and this is a different action from our
old and loved HC). I put the scripts everywhere to make sure
they would be called, even using :

  on opencard
   openStack
  end openCard.

because I couldn't get consistent proof of "WHEN and WHY"
(this just shows how frustrated I became !)

I asked the famous Mr. Rinaldi (if he didn't know - who would !),
and he gave me an answer which I could not ALWAYS prove.
I asked questions about a month ago on this forum. I never got
a satisfactory answer. ("OpenStack ?",  March 04)

Now I use a HomeStack principle to send the OpenStack commands
to my called stack, solving the well known "uncertainty" principle
(sorry Mr. Heisenberg !) of  "WHEN is openStack executed ?"

Even today, I don't know (and now I don't care) because I found a
solution which is satisfactory to me !

Best

-Francis

"Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"




From livfoss at mac.com  Thu Mar 30 15:59:01 2006
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 22:59:01 +0200
Subject: Palettes and the defaultMenuBar
Message-ID: <4D32E442-A40B-48FC-9A15-BA71458DCF46@mac.com>

I have a stack acting as the main window of an app, accompanied by a  
couple of palettes, one as a toolbar the other as a display. These  
palettes don't have their own menus, but when I click on one of them,  
the menubar which I have set for the main window is replaced by a  
defaultMenuBar which I created to give a minimal 'Quit' and 'Help'  
for some subsidiary windows. It seems I can't set the menubar of my  
palettes to the main menu group in my main stack (this is not legal  
Transcript), so how can I stop the switch taking place? So far I've  
only thought of somehow zapping the defaultMenuBar whenever the main  
window appears. Is this the solution other people use?

TIA

Graham


----------------------------------------
Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 30 16:02:59 2006
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:02:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Problems with revcopyfile
In-Reply-To: <7CCC304C-47CA-4198-AC1B-43A40D5EE717@clarionstl.com>
Message-ID: <20060330210259.23980.qmail@web60523.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Jonathan Kotthoff <jonkotthoff at clarionstl.com>
wrote:
> This does not seem like it should be this hard...I
> must be missing  
> something...i am running 2.7 making a simple stack
> that will copy a  
> file to a target on Winows XP and Mac OS X.4...
> 
> here is the code:
> 
> on mouseUp
>    -- bring up a standard system "save as" file
> selector
> 
>    ask file "Save file as:"
> -- if the user cancels, exit without saving
>    if it is empty then exit mouseUp
>    -- put it into filePath
>    put it into filePath
> -- Copy file
>   revCopyFile "/Content/rubyonrails.pdf",filePath
> end mouseUp
> 
> no file is copied to the target folder however...
> 
> anybody have an example of a stack that copies or an
> explanation
> 
> Thanks in advance...
> 
> Jonathan
> 

Hi Jonathan,

As the 'revCopyFile' command effectively uses
OS-specific means to copy the file (AppleScript on
MacOS, shell commands on other platforms), you need to
feed it a full path to the source and target file.

Of course, if you're not on a Mac or don't need to
copy any MacOS 9 - style 'resource fork', you can
easily copy the file yourself using:
  put URL ("binfile:" & tSourcePath) into URL
("binfile" & tTargetPath)

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam Reports for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 30 16:07:48 2006
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:07:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Palettes and the defaultMenuBar
In-Reply-To: <4D32E442-A40B-48FC-9A15-BA71458DCF46@mac.com>
Message-ID: <20060330210748.57520.qmail@web60520.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Graham Samuel <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:
> I have a stack acting as the main window of an app,
> accompanied by a  
> couple of palettes, one as a toolbar the other as a
> display. These  
> palettes don't have their own menus, but when I
> click on one of them,  
> the menubar which I have set for the main window is
> replaced by a  
> defaultMenuBar which I created to give a minimal
> 'Quit' and 'Help'  
> for some subsidiary windows. It seems I can't set
> the menubar of my  
> palettes to the main menu group in my main stack
> (this is not legal  
> Transcript), so how can I stop the switch taking
> place? So far I've  
> only thought of somehow zapping the defaultMenuBar
> whenever the main  
> window appears. Is this the solution other people
> use?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Graham
> 

Hi Graham,

You should be able to set the defaultMenubar to the
main menbar group of your mainStack upon preOpenStack
of your standalone.
That way, any stack that doesn't have its own menubar
will display the menubar of your mainStack.
Or have you tried that and it didn't work properly?

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam Reports for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

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From jonkotthoff at clarionstl.com  Thu Mar 30 16:11:16 2006
From: jonkotthoff at clarionstl.com (Jonathan Kotthoff)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:11:16 -0600
Subject: Problems with revcopyfile
In-Reply-To: <7CCC304C-47CA-4198-AC1B-43A40D5EE717@clarionstl.com>
References: <7CCC304C-47CA-4198-AC1B-43A40D5EE717@clarionstl.com>
Message-ID: <A1C0CF56-E620-43FD-B616-CD2D9A4032C0@clarionstl.com>

I should add that this script does work on windows...it is just on  
Mac OS X.4 it is failing...which I know means its an applescript  
issue...but I do not know how to solve...
On Mar 30, 2006, at 2:36 PM, Jonathan Kotthoff wrote:

> This does not seem like it should be this hard...I must be missing  
> something...i am running 2.7 making a simple stack that will copy a  
> file to a target on Winows XP and Mac OS X.4...
>
> here is the code:
>
> on mouseUp
>   -- bring up a standard system "save as" file selector
>
>   ask file "Save file as:"
> -- if the user cancels, exit without saving
>   if it is empty then exit mouseUp
>   -- put it into filePath
>   put it into filePath
> -- Copy file
>  revCopyFile "/Content/rubyonrails.pdf",filePath
> end mouseUp
>
> no file is copied to the target folder however...
>
> anybody have an example of a stack that copies or an explanation
>
> Thanks in advance...
>
> Jonathan
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From jonkotthoff at clarionstl.com  Thu Mar 30 16:19:11 2006
From: jonkotthoff at clarionstl.com (Jonathan Kotthoff)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:19:11 -0600
Subject: Problems with revcopyfile
In-Reply-To: <20060330210259.23980.qmail@web60523.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060330210259.23980.qmail@web60523.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <02598930-AB81-497A-8F76-AB0EF616AF5E@clarionstl.com>

Jan,

I think I am providing the full source path in the target, what about  
the source? And then why does this work correctly on Windows?

Jonathan
On Mar 30, 2006, at 3:02 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote:

> --- Jonathan Kotthoff <jonkotthoff at clarionstl.com>
> wrote:
>> This does not seem like it should be this hard...I
>> must be missing
>> something...i am running 2.7 making a simple stack
>> that will copy a
>> file to a target on Winows XP and Mac OS X.4...
>>
>> here is the code:
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>    -- bring up a standard system "save as" file
>> selector
>>
>>    ask file "Save file as:"
>> -- if the user cancels, exit without saving
>>    if it is empty then exit mouseUp
>>    -- put it into filePath
>>    put it into filePath
>> -- Copy file
>>   revCopyFile "/Content/rubyonrails.pdf",filePath
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> no file is copied to the target folder however...
>>
>> anybody have an example of a stack that copies or an
>> explanation
>>
>> Thanks in advance...
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> As the 'revCopyFile' command effectively uses
> OS-specific means to copy the file (AppleScript on
> MacOS, shell commands on other platforms), you need to
> feed it a full path to the source and target file.
>
> Of course, if you're not on a Mac or don't need to
> copy any MacOS 9 - style 'resource fork', you can
> easily copy the file yourself using:
>   put URL ("binfile:" & tSourcePath) into URL
> ("binfile" & tTargetPath)
>
> Hope this helped,
>
> Jan Schenkel.
>
> Quartam Reports for Revolution
> <http://www.quartam.com>
>
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From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Thu Mar 30 16:23:15 2006
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:23:15 +0200
Subject: preOpenStack, openStack in Card 1?? Rules conformation.
Message-ID: <b27dfeedf5d50df6d1748cede0d11a4b@wanadoo.fr>

Dave,

You seem to have opened (a small but tangible) Pandora's box.
Several responses confidently talk about the "openStack" being
sent to Card 1.

Either of two things :

1 - They only have 1 card stacks ....... (so it works !)
2 - They don't read the same documentation as I do
       (Rev 2.6.1 Build 152 - Documentation - Dictionary - OpenStack)

The doc clearly states "the destination card". As I often :

            "go to card "x" of (sub)stack "y"

I assume this means "the openStack script in whatever card
you FIRST go to in the stack" This could cause a problem if
you have an "openstack" in a sub-stack .... !

This bugged me until I found a workaround (see my previous mail).

Do I read correctly, or have I got it all wrong ?

I await comments from (certainly not older, but) wiser users !

-Francis

"Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"




From jonkotthoff at clarionstl.com  Thu Mar 30 16:26:39 2006
From: jonkotthoff at clarionstl.com (Jonathan Kotthoff)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:26:39 -0600
Subject: Problems with revcopyfile
In-Reply-To: <02598930-AB81-497A-8F76-AB0EF616AF5E@clarionstl.com>
References: <20060330210259.23980.qmail@web60523.mail.yahoo.com>
	<02598930-AB81-497A-8F76-AB0EF616AF5E@clarionstl.com>
Message-ID: <7B12CE8C-7ADB-4E42-A321-CD31F70BBAC0@clarionstl.com>

So what were really saying is that applescript requires the full  
source path, correct?

Jon
On Mar 30, 2006, at 3:19 PM, Jonathan Kotthoff wrote:

> Jan,
>
> I think I am providing the full source path in the target, what  
> about the source? And then why does this work correctly on Windows?
>
> Jonathan
> On Mar 30, 2006, at 3:02 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote:
>
>> --- Jonathan Kotthoff <jonkotthoff at clarionstl.com>
>> wrote:
>>> This does not seem like it should be this hard...I
>>> must be missing
>>> something...i am running 2.7 making a simple stack
>>> that will copy a
>>> file to a target on Winows XP and Mac OS X.4...
>>>
>>> here is the code:
>>>
>>> on mouseUp
>>>    -- bring up a standard system "save as" file
>>> selector
>>>
>>>    ask file "Save file as:"
>>> -- if the user cancels, exit without saving
>>>    if it is empty then exit mouseUp
>>>    -- put it into filePath
>>>    put it into filePath
>>> -- Copy file
>>>   revCopyFile "/Content/rubyonrails.pdf",filePath
>>> end mouseUp
>>>
>>> no file is copied to the target folder however...
>>>
>>> anybody have an example of a stack that copies or an
>>> explanation
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance...
>>>
>>> Jonathan
>>>
>>
>> Hi Jonathan,
>>
>> As the 'revCopyFile' command effectively uses
>> OS-specific means to copy the file (AppleScript on
>> MacOS, shell commands on other platforms), you need to
>> feed it a full path to the source and target file.
>>
>> Of course, if you're not on a Mac or don't need to
>> copy any MacOS 9 - style 'resource fork', you can
>> easily copy the file yourself using:
>>   put URL ("binfile:" & tSourcePath) into URL
>> ("binfile" & tTargetPath)
>>
>> Hope this helped,
>>
>> Jan Schenkel.
>>
>> Quartam Reports for Revolution
>> <http://www.quartam.com>
>>
>> =====
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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Thu Mar 30 16:35:51 2006
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 22:35:51 +0100
Subject: Applescript? CORRECTION
In-Reply-To: <525A48C7-8431-4764-8437-7C127F678217@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <C04F1F14.36CF8%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<525A48C7-8431-4764-8437-7C127F678217@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <5002566B-97E2-442F-A987-8A4A1A7C5222@azurevision.co.uk>


On 30 Mar 2006, at 20:52, David Burgun wrote:

> Hi,
>
> What does revCheckQuit do? I can't find anything about it in the  
> documentation.
>
> Also what does:
>
> exit to top
>
> do? I can't find this form (top) of exit documented either. The  
> "pass" documentation in the dictionary also shows a "top" parameter  
> too, but doesn't say what it does, except that it was added in  
> version 2.1!
>
>
> Thanks a lot
> All the Best
> Dave

I don't know about revCheckQuit, but 'exit to top' will immediately  
cancel the current handler.

Ian


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 30 16:39:45 2006
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:39:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Problems with revcopyfile
In-Reply-To: <7B12CE8C-7ADB-4E42-A321-CD31F70BBAC0@clarionstl.com>
Message-ID: <20060330213945.45355.qmail@web60514.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Jonathan,

I think that you get away with it in Windows, because
the 'Start in' path coincides with the start of the
relative path to your source file.
And you should try and provide the full path, indeed.

Jan Schenkel.

--- Jonathan Kotthoff <jonkotthoff at clarionstl.com>
wrote:
> So what were really saying is that applescript
> requires the full  
> source path, correct?
> 
> Jon
> On Mar 30, 2006, at 3:19 PM, Jonathan Kotthoff
> wrote:
> 
> > Jan,
> >
> > I think I am providing the full source path in the
> target, what  
> > about the source? And then why does this work
> correctly on Windows?
> >
> > Jonathan


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From joebrillhart at mac.com  Thu Mar 30 16:43:31 2006
From: joebrillhart at mac.com (Joe Brillhart)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:43:31 -0500
Subject: OS X System Crash using 2.7 build 192
Message-ID: <6C26D7CD-D01B-4363-A46F-E106B55B775B@mac.com>

Hello,

I have recently had two rather ugly system crashes using Revolution  
2.7. Both occurrences seem to be related to Documentation/Help.  On  
the first occasion I was attempting to right click on a transcript  
word to look up further information in the transcript dictionary,  
(which, by the way seems to only work sporadically in OS X). When I  
right clicked on the word, my entire desktop went blue (no finder!)  
with nothing but the small shutdown timer on it that went into an  
endless rotation. The second occasion, I clicked on the Documentation  
icon on the Revolution menubar and the same thing happened after a  
short duration spinning beach ball. The occurrences were about a week  
apart.  Both times I was working on a stack and writing a script for  
an object.  I have never seen any application on OS X do this to the  
operating system so it seems to be pretty major.

I am running OS X version 10.4.5 on a dual 800 G4 with 1.5GB of RAM.

I've checked the list for any other references to this type crash and  
was not able to find any. I did find some references to Revolution  
crashing when clicking the table icon in the Property Inspector. That  
happened  to me also but when that occurs it locks up Revolution and  
the system which is much different to this. I learned quickly not to  
click on that icon as a work around,  but not using the documentation  
is a little too big of a work around.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thank you,


Joe Brillhart
joebrillhart at mac.com





From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 30 17:00:37 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:00:37 -0800
Subject: OpenStack in Card 1
In-Reply-To: <08ef99cf966568e5742bf56dfbcce80b@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <C0519505.36EBE%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

I would recommend opening Message Watcher and see if there are any weird
patterns happening for you.  Pay close attention to which messages get sent
and in which order.

also try in the stack script
on opencard
answer the number of this card
end opencard

which will be the current card when the message was sent.
Exceptions can be when the lock messages is true and when there is more than
one 'on openstack' handler in the message path without the 'pass openstack'
code line at the end of the handler.

Hope this helps.  Remember, there are a lot of complex, smooth-running apps
out there using the message path faithfully.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 3/30/06 12:57 PM, "Francis Nugent Dixon" <effendi at wanadoo.fr> wrote:

> Hi Dave,
> 
> In the documentation, it clearly states that the OpenStack and
> preOpenStack are sent to "the destination card" in the stack,
> which will usually be card 1 (unless otherwise specified). So
> your "remember" is correct. I had problems in this area before
> I read the documentation (and this is a different action from our
> old and loved HC). I put the scripts everywhere to make sure
> they would be called, even using :
> 
>   on opencard
>    openStack
>   end openCard.
> 
> because I couldn't get consistent proof of "WHEN and WHY"
> (this just shows how frustrated I became !)
> 
> I asked the famous Mr. Rinaldi (if he didn't know - who would !),
> and he gave me an answer which I could not ALWAYS prove.
> I asked questions about a month ago on this forum. I never got
> a satisfactory answer. ("OpenStack ?",  March 04)
> 
> Now I use a HomeStack principle to send the OpenStack commands
> to my called stack, solving the well known "uncertainty" principle
> (sorry Mr. Heisenberg !) of  "WHEN is openStack executed ?"
> 
> Even today, I don't know (and now I don't care) because I found a
> solution which is satisfactory to me !
> 
> Best
> 
> -Francis
> 
> "Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"
> 
> 
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 30 17:25:15 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:25:15 -0800
Subject: preOpenStack, openStack in Card 1?? Rules conformation.
In-Reply-To: <b27dfeedf5d50df6d1748cede0d11a4b@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <C0519ACB.36EC1%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

> I assume this means "the openStack script in whatever card
> you FIRST go to in the stack" This could cause a problem if
> you have an "openstack" in a sub-stack .... !

Ahh, you are now bring up an event question 1st 2nd 3rd.

-------- the setup
Main Stack ------------- no scripts or buttons needed

Sub Stack "Charlie" --------------------------
Stack script
on openStack
  put the ticks && "stack Charlie (openStack) "&cr & msg
end openStack


Card 1 script
on opencard
  put the ticks && "card 1 of Charlie  (opencard)"&cr & msg
end opencard

on openStack
  put the ticks && "card 1 of Charlie (openstack)"&cr & msg
pass openstack
end openStack



Card 2 script
on opencard
  put the ticks && "card 2 of Charlie  (opencard)"&cr & msg
end opencard

on openStack
  put the ticks && "card 2 of Charlie (openstack)"&cr & msg
pass openstack
end openStack



----------------------
Now CLOSE and save stack "Charlie"
Type in the message box
go card 2 of stack "Charlie"

RESULT is an openstack>card2,
openstack passed to >stack,
 then an opencard>card2

--the message box will show
68625425093 card 2 of Charlie  (opencard)
68625425093 stack Charlie (openStack)
68625425093 card 2 of Charlie (openstack)

If card 2 is already open (thus stack is open) no 'opencard or openstack is
sent'
If card 1 is already open, only the opencard is sent to card 2

Version 2.6.1, OSX 10.4.2

Hope this helps

Jim Ault
Las Vegas



On 3/30/06 1:23 PM, "Francis Nugent Dixon" <effendi at wanadoo.fr> wrote:

> Dave,
> 
> You seem to have opened (a small but tangible) Pandora's box.
> Several responses confidently talk about the "openStack" being
> sent to Card 1.
> 
> Either of two things :
> 
> 1 - They only have 1 card stacks ....... (so it works !)
> 2 - They don't read the same documentation as I do
>        (Rev 2.6.1 Build 152 - Documentation - Dictionary - OpenStack)
> 
> The doc clearly states "the destination card". As I often :
> 
>             "go to card "x" of (sub)stack "y"
> 
> I assume this means "the openStack script in whatever card
> you FIRST go to in the stack" This could cause a problem if
> you have an "openstack" in a sub-stack .... !
> 
> This bugged me until I found a workaround (see my previous mail).
> 
> Do I read correctly, or have I got it all wrong ?
> 
> I await comments from (certainly not older, but) wiser users !
> 
> -Francis
> 
> "Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"
> 
> 
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Mar 30 17:32:46 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:32:46 -0800
Subject: ODBC connection to MS SQL 2000 help needed
In-Reply-To: <20060330173450.44342.qmail@web60523.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060330173450.44342.qmail@web60523.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1419494181.20060330143246@ahsoftware.net>

Thursday, March 30, 2006, 9:34:50 AM, Jan wrote:

> There's nothiong worng with your SELECT query ; the

<g>

> problem is in the ODBC database driver not always
> returning the correct record count. I've seen this
> with Access and Progress databases as well.

See BZ #3291 for details about revNumberOfRecords(). Issuing a "SELECT
COUNT(1)" query on the recordset data seems to work properly.

> Unfortunately, some databases only support read-only
> forward-only cursors -- so you should traverse the
> record set and fetch all the data you want in one go.

Actually, the database cursors for *all* ODBC databases are
implemented as forward-only, which is a really stupid design decision.
The official excuse for this is that "the docs document that certain
ops don't work with certain databases"...

Please add votes to BZ #1528 to get this fixed. It's been idle for
some two years now...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Mar 30 17:36:37 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:36:37 -0800
Subject: Navigating through added XML data?
In-Reply-To: <13722874.1143741687806.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>
References: <13722874.1143741687806.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>
Message-ID: <949724733.20060330143637@ahsoftware.net>

John-

Thursday, March 30, 2006, 10:01:27 AM, you wrote:

> What was messing me up was I was looking at the text of an xml
> file, and seeing it formatted correctly lead me to believe that the
> XML was good. When I started dumping out the XML after I added a new
> attribute and child nodes, I noticed I was not getting things right.
> Essentially, not getting the paths correct in the XML file for the
> new attribute and subsequent new child nodes.

Try opening the xml file in your web browser. You'll get an error if
it can't parse the file properly, otherwise you should see the tree
displayed as you expect it.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 30 17:43:44 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:43:44 -0800
Subject: Problems with revcopyfile
In-Reply-To: <7CCC304C-47CA-4198-AC1B-43A40D5EE717@clarionstl.com>
Message-ID: <C0519F20.36EC6%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

>   revCopyFile "/Content/rubyonrails.pdf",filePath

The key is the Rev defaultfolder definition.
That is the starting point for the relative path you have.

On the Mac, the full file path starts above "/Content"
This would work on the Mac if your (Rev defaultfolder) contained a folder
Content/ which contained rubyonrails.pdf

/Users/loginName/Documents/hotParty.jpg


Try each of the following in the message box

put the defaultfolder  (mine shows "/Applications/Revolution 2.6.1")
if there is a file "Sample Icons/revapp.ico" then put "found"
if there is a file "/Sample Icons/revapp.ico" then put "found"

--note the leading slash--
Hope this helps you with paths cross-platform.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 3/30/06 12:36 PM, "Jonathan Kotthoff" <jonkotthoff at clarionstl.com> wrote:

> This does not seem like it should be this hard...I must be missing
> something...i am running 2.7 making a simple stack that will copy a
> file to a target on Winows XP and Mac OS X.4...
> 
> here is the code:
> 
> on mouseUp
>    -- bring up a standard system "save as" file selector
> 
>    ask file "Save file as:"
> -- if the user cancels, exit without saving
>    if it is empty then exit mouseUp
>    -- put it into filePath
>    put it into filePath
> -- Copy file
>   revCopyFile "/Content/rubyonrails.pdf",filePath
> end mouseUp
> 
> no file is copied to the target folder however...
> 
> anybody have an example of a stack that copies or an explanation
> 
> Thanks in advance...
> 
> Jonathan
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Mar 30 17:43:53 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:43:53 -0800
Subject: Plugins folder in v2.7?
In-Reply-To: <20060330195739.12814.qmail@web60521.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060330195739.12814.qmail@web60521.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6010160950.20060330144353@ahsoftware.net>

Jan-

Thursday, March 30, 2006, 11:57:39 AM, you wrote:

> Someone ought to make a stack that creates these for
> you, and post it on RevOnline or something ;-)

Yep. That's my "Save Plugin" stack in user space "mwieder"

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jeff at siphonophore.com  Thu Mar 30 17:47:59 2006
From: jeff at siphonophore.com (jeffrey reynolds)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:47:59 -0500
Subject: OT: Apple at 30 - My Piece of the Big Fruit
In-Reply-To: <20060330212852.E9E33825369@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060330212852.E9E33825369@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4AB2FAAE-A60F-4838-876D-DC4382AE5C51@siphonophore.com>

Man I had forgot about the III, i was offered one cheap, but luckly  
had seen the lisa and had a Basis108 (it had both a 6502 and a z80)  
that had the umph of a III so i didnt bite! glad i didnt since i then  
got a 256K ram card for the Basis108 and i was the king with the huge  
ram drive!

I ended up getting a no name 60mb scsi external drive for my mac SE  
(like $1000!) and i was everyone's best friend around the department  
since i could back up their 20gb hard drives to my drive when they  
needed to reformat. saved them many hours of swapping 3.5" floppies  
and got me lots of free beers!

does anyone remember the Sinclair Z80? my first computer to own.  
whopping 32mb or ram and a micro tape drive (audio dictation tape)  
for its storage! what fun!

if anyone has a users manual for the sinclair z80 i would appreciate  
talking with you, i lost mine a long while back and would love to  
poke at it sometime!

cheers,

Jeffrey Reynolds



On Mar 30, 2006, at 4:28 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

> We had Apple III (yes, the ill-fated 3 not 2) in the p-chem lab and
> nobody knew what to do with it, so I got a free rein in using it.
> That was a few years before Lisa and Macs. My first programs allowed
> me to quickly check the correctness of calculations on student lab
> reports :)
>
> My first own Mac was SE but more memorable was a purchase of my first
> hard drive a while later: close to $1200 for the whooping 20 MB
> zero-footprint Jasmine drive. It was a big sacrifice for a graduate
> student but I felt like a king!



From revolution at jaedworks.com  Thu Mar 30 17:47:58 2006
From: revolution at jaedworks.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:47:58 -0800
Subject: preOpenStack, openStack in Card 1?? Rules conformation.
In-Reply-To: <b27dfeedf5d50df6d1748cede0d11a4b@wanadoo.fr>
References: <b27dfeedf5d50df6d1748cede0d11a4b@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <p0621027ac0520f7cd86f@[66.93.39.98]>

At 11:23 PM +0200 3/30/2006, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:
>The doc clearly states "the destination card". As I often :
>
>            "go to card "x" of (sub)stack "y"
>
>I assume this means "the openStack script in whatever card
>you FIRST go to in the stack" This could cause a problem if
>you have an "openstack" in a sub-stack .... !

It does cause problems, if the openStack handler in your main stack 
assumes that the main stack is the current stack when openStack is 
sent. In this case, when a substack is opened, the openStack message 
is sent to the current card of the substack, then to the substack 
itself, then to the main stack, so if the openStack message isn't 
intercepted first, the main stack's openStack handler will run in 
response to the substack opening.

There are three ways to avoid this:

1. Put the openStack handler in the main stack's first card, instead 
of in the stack script. This prevents the problem, since when the 
substack is opened, no message is sent to a card of the main stack - 
only the stack itself is in the substack's message path.

2. Put an empty handler in the substack's script, to stop the 
openStack message from going to the main stack:
   on openStack -- in substack's script
   end openStack

3. In the main stack's openStack handler, test which stack called it:
   on openStack
     if the owner of the target is not me then pass openStack
     -- do stuff for main stack opening
   end openStack
The target is a card, and the owner of the target is the stack that 
was opened. If the owner of the target is not "me" (the main stack, 
in this case), then this handler skips the rest of the instructions.
-- 
jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
http://www.jaedworks.com


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Mar 30 18:02:54 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:02:54 -0600
Subject: Navigating through added XML data?
In-Reply-To: <949724733.20060330143637@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <C051BFBE.38B85%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/30/06 4:36 PM, "Mark Wieder" <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> John-
> 
> Thursday, March 30, 2006, 10:01:27 AM, you wrote:
> 
>> What was messing me up was I was looking at the text of an xml
>> file, and seeing it formatted correctly lead me to believe that the
>> XML was good. When I started dumping out the XML after I added a new
>> attribute and child nodes, I noticed I was not getting things right.
>> Essentially, not getting the paths correct in the XML file for the
>> new attribute and subsequent new child nodes.
> 
> Try opening the xml file in your web browser. You'll get an error if
> it can't parse the file properly, otherwise you should see the tree
> displayed as you expect it.

You could also download my XML Library and run it through the parser, it
would also let you know if the XML is not formatted properly...

  http://www.sonsothunder.com/products/xmllib/xmllib.htm

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com




From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Mar 30 18:08:24 2006
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:08:24 -0800
Subject: OS X System Crash using 2.7 build 192
In-Reply-To: <6C26D7CD-D01B-4363-A46F-E106B55B775B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C051A4E8.375BD%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Joe Brillhart wrote:

> I have recently had two rather ugly system crashes using Revolution
> 2.7. Both occurrences seem to be related to Documentation/Help.

I can't offer a solution, but I can confirm that I've experienced a couple
of crashes as well.  Pretty bad ones as I recall, since there was no "Send
bug report..." dialog afterward.  This isn't much help, I know, but more of
an indication that it would be worth finding a repeatable crash recipe.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Mar 30 18:18:21 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:18:21 -0800
Subject: Target not working???
In-Reply-To: <9914156B-C850-40FD-A098-8BF5588C22BE@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <C04D4612.387E1%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<7437744A-6C51-46C5-B2CD-EF5DFE0D7807@dsl.pipex.com>
	<0426D48B-BDAF-11DA-A993-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<8E94910B-EF2E-4315-ACE7-60DF0F95EA87@dsl.pipex.com>
	<11615667939.20060327134115@ahsoftware.net>
	<0746D3B7-3C1F-4DA2-BF01-F7F1BBD86BE9@dsl.pipex.com>
	<5324482313.20060328150431@ahsoftware.net>
	<9914156B-C850-40FD-A098-8BF5588C22BE@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <12612228974.20060330151821@ahsoftware.net>

David-

Thursday, March 30, 2006, 8:20:41 AM, you wrote:

<lots of stuff snipped>

> So GroupControlX: ISM_InitializeObject would be called needlessly
> (maybe causing damage) three extra times

If GroupControlX has its background behavior set as true then that's
the correct behavior. And it's what you want. If you don't want that
then either: don't put ISM_InitializeObject in a background group; or
don't make groups with ISM_InitializeObject handlers have background
behavior (I think these are the same thing).

<lots of stuff snipped>

> Given that the above is correct, e.g. the message passes to the
> Control, then Group, then Card, then Stack only calling the next  
> level up if the handler is defined or it "passes" the message then  
> what happens in the library stack? Does it follow the same control/

Richard Gaskin's da man. In addition to his writeup at
http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/revolution_message_path.html
he did the Online Scripting Conference stack on the same subject:
http://downloads.runrev.com/section/stacks/messagehierarchy.zip

Note also that library stacks are essentially peers at the
just-behind-the-mainstack level, i.e., handlers in a library stack can
call handlers in another library stack as if it were in the same
stack. The difference is that the order of loading libraries has a
bearing on which handler gets called when.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From dvk at dvkconsult.com.au  Thu Mar 30 18:28:49 2006
From: dvk at dvkconsult.com.au (David Vaughan)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:28:49 +1100
Subject: OT: Apple at 30 - My Piece of the Big Fruit
In-Reply-To: <20060330212853.2C24982535F@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060330212853.2C24982535F@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <E3C34C2D-1490-4B9C-89E8-40AFD27947FD@dvkconsult.com.au>


On 31/03/2006, at 8:28, Robert Brenstein <rjb at robelko.com> wrote:

> We had Apple III (yes, the ill-fated 3 not 2) in the p-chem lab and
> nobody knew what to do with it, so I got a free rein in using it.
> That was a few years before Lisa and Macs.

The Mac did not appear in Australia until 1985. We opened our first  
company in 1984 and were handed the Lisa, so after playing with that  
I was pretty disappointed with the Mac. I avoided it until  
Multifinder arrived, then, being the technical arm of our company, I  
grabbed an SE/30 while the others were using SE II and started on  
HyperCard.

One of our clients, a partner at a medium accounting firm, for years  
drafted all his documents on a Mac Plus using MacPaint (yes, Paint,  
not Write) before handing them to his PA to type up. He just loved  
the ease of use :-)

When in the mid-90s the huge mining company by which I was then  
employed decided to standardise on Windows PCs, I had such a wealth  
of software which was now vital to the analysis and modelling work I  
did that I alone was allowed to hang on to my Mac and just connect  
into their network with SoftPC and later VirtualPC. Despite the  
gloomy prognostications of my good friends at the time, Apple revived  
and since 2000 my very small business has been supported very well by  
our all-Apple computing power (portables, XServe, wireless and that  
most important hard disk backup tool, iPod :-) ) regardless of what  
our clients use.

If they can just keep going another thirty years then I should be  
sufficiently dead not to worry about their third term ;-)

cheers
David


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Mar 30 18:46:19 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:46:19 -0600
Subject: Problems with revcopyfile
In-Reply-To: <02598930-AB81-497A-8F76-AB0EF616AF5E@clarionstl.com>
References: <20060330210259.23980.qmail@web60523.mail.yahoo.com>
	<02598930-AB81-497A-8F76-AB0EF616AF5E@clarionstl.com>
Message-ID: <442C6DCB.1040005@hyperactivesw.com>

Jonathan Kotthoff wrote:
> Jan,
> 
> I think I am providing the full source path in the target, what about  
> the source? And then why does this work correctly on Windows?

I'm not sure why it works on Windows either, because it looks to me like 
you are specifying a file path rather than a folder location for the 
place to copy the file to. I think the script should be using "answer 
folder" rather than "ask file", right?


> on mouseUp
>    -- bring up a standard system "save as" file
> selector
> 
>    ask file "Save file as:"
> -- if the user cancels, exit without saving
>    if it is empty then exit mouseUp
>    -- put it into filePath
>    put it into filePath
> -- Copy file
>   revCopyFile "/Content/rubyonrails.pdf",filePath
> end mouseUp 

If you want to put content into a new file with a pre-determined file 
name and path, then use the "url" keyword to put data into a url on 
disk, or else use the "open file", "write to file" and "close file" 
commands to create a new file with data in it.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Thu Mar 30 18:54:28 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:54:28 -0800
Subject: scrollbarDrag question...
In-Reply-To: <20060325224322.61791.qmail@web33013.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060325224322.61791.qmail@web33013.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <442C6FB4.9030109@paraboliclogic.com>

Rev 2.6.1

Greetings,

I have a field with the "dontWrap" set to true, so both horizontal and 
vertical scrollbars are available to the field.

In using the scrollbarDrag message, I found that both horz and vert 
scrollbars send the message and I have no way to differentiate between 
the two.

Is there a way to find out which scrollbar sent the message?

Thanks,
-Garrett


From mfstuart at cox.net  Thu Mar 30 19:19:59 2006
From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 19:19:59 -0500
Subject: ODBC connection to MS SQL 2000 help needed
Message-ID: <20060331001959.NUN20875.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@[172.18.180.8]>

Hi Mark,

I voted on this bug using RevZilla. 
BTW: how many times can one vote on a bug? 
The option in RevZilla allows me to vote as many times as I want ? with the count option. &#61514;

Well, after reading the bug Description, I?m getting a little disappointed with Rev Studio 
for database access. I?m loving the rest of the features, but these are serious flaws in the product
from a company that markets their software as a RAD database development tool.

Here?s a snippet from the following RunRev web site that drew me to finally buy the product:
http://revstudio.runrev.com/you_can_make.php#enterprise

>From the 3rd paragraph of the 4th section titled ?Rapid prototyping & database GUIs?:

?With full support for databases, including access to open source databases such as MySQL, 
you can build a custom database solution for your business in minutes. 
Access the database using our point and click tools. Add more complex functionality or 
get right down to the SQL itself. Add any level of client functionality, 
making your solution perform like a true application.?



From johnpatten at mac.com  Thu Mar 30 19:20:47 2006
From: johnpatten at mac.com (John Patten)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:20:47 -0800
Subject: (no subject)
Message-ID: <15660634.1143764447623.JavaMail.johnpatten@mac.com>

Hi Ken...

Actually, dividing the number of nodes by ten gave me the number of attributes(I had ten nodes under each attribute). I was using this to determine which attribute to "navigate" to once the user selects "Next."  (At this point in my learning I was not familiar with revXMLNextSibling and revXMLPreviousSibling :-)

Then I added the deleteXMNode and my navigation strategy was all for not. Then... I learned how to use the revXMLNextSibling  and revXMLPreviousSibling and everythings great!

If it would help anyone here are scripts I'm using now to navigate through XML info:

//Moving to Previous data - just substitute revXMLNextSibling to move forward. 

on mouseUp
  put cd fld "XMLID" into tTargetTree
  put cd fld "URL_ID" into tTargetAttribute
  
 
   put revXMLPreviousSibling(tTargetTree,tTargetAttribute) into targetNode
   if the result is empty then
     exit mouseUp
     else
  
 put targetNode into cd fld "Url_ID"
 

 put revXMLChildContents(tTargetTree,TargetNode,tab&"*",cr,true,-1) into theData
  
  put the itemdel into OrigItemDel
  set the itemDel to "*"
  put item 2 of line 1 of theData into cd fld "subject"
  put item 2 of line 2 of theData into cd fld "Key_Words"
  put item 2 of line 3 of theData into cd fld "Grade"
  put item 2 of line 4 of theData into cd fld "standard"
  put item 2 of line 5 of theData into cd fld "Title"
  put item 2 of line 6 of theData into cd fld "Description"
  put item 2 of line 7 of theData into cd fld "Submitted_By"
  put item 2 of line 8 of theData into cd fld "email_address"
  put item 2 of line 9 of theData into cd fld "School"
end if
  
end mouseUp

Thanks!

John Patten
SUSD

------------------------------------------------------------

Message: 19 
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:38:30 -0600 
From: Ken Ray <kray at sonsothunder.com> 
Subject: Re: Navigating through added XML data? 
To: Use Revolution List <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com> 
Message-ID: <C05181C6.38B39%kray at sonsothunder.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" 

On 3/30/06 12:01 PM, "John Patten" <johnpatten at mac.com> wrote: 

>   put revXMLNumberOfChildren(cd fld "XMLID","URL_Table",,-1) into 
> numberOfNodes 
>   put (numberOfNodes div 10)into theNewNode 
>   add 1 to TheNewNode 

Just curious, John... why did you need to divide the number of child nodes 
by 10 and add 1 to get the new node number? Wouldn't it just be (the number 
of children + 1) ? 

> This seems to work correctly, however i do notice in the XML file the new 
> attribute has all the content after it in addition to the nodes that have it 
> individually. Not sure why it's doing that? 

You mean all the child nodes have the same content? Can you provide an 
example of what you're seeing? 

Ken Ray 
Sons of Thunder Software 
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ 
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com 



From mlange at lexicall.org  Thu Mar 30 19:55:24 2006
From: mlange at lexicall.org (Marielle Lange)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 01:55:24 +0100
Subject: Making the move...
Message-ID: <570CF071-1C9B-49DE-89FE-9F8347A17F54@lexicall.org>

Hi Judy,

I was away for about a forthnight....

> I believe this response to Chipp is a unfair.
> The post you cite regarding Jerry was apologized for almost  
> immediately
> after he realized that he sent it to the list and not to Jerry  
> personally.
> And I seem to recall Jerry being nearly abusive in the posts sent  
> around
> that time.  I don't have the time at present to go google pipermail to
> cite each and every post, but you might wish to do so to revisit  
> the issue
> in its larger context.

Thanks for reminding me of this. I agree. I haven't been totally  
fair. As you mention, Chipp email was published by error on the list.  
My apologizes to Chipp.

The reason for this email was the following. Chipp accused me of  
having a feud with runrev. The situation was rather that I didn't  
want to come to have a feud against revolution (the non english  
speaker I am has to use the web to know that a feud is defined as "A  
bitter, often prolonged quarrel or state of enmity, especially such a  
state of hostilities between two families or clans"). But I could see  
the very many ways in which I was encouraged to end up developing one.

But these things are difficult to discuss of that in a context where  
people are prone to erect their defense. I am afraid that this got me  
fall in the trap myself and express things in ways that were not fair.

I never had a feud against runrev. Some persons have come to believe  
that I had a feud because I have decided to express a few things so  
to try to make persons aware of the fact that the situation had been,  
over the last months, escalating in ways that were highly  
undesirable, with bitter feuds that started to occur repeatedly  
between persons I knew to be of high personal and professional  
quality. In reality, I have the highest opinion of Kevin, Ken, Dan,  
Chipp, Richard, Jacque and others... but yes, I have been made to  
feel very uneasy about what they allowed themselves to express about  
Richmond, Alain, Xavier, or, more recently, me. Things were said in a  
register that is a very dangerous one. They are probably not aware of  
that, they would probably find difficult to accept this is the case  
as they had no intention to do anything of this nature, but the fact  
is that some of what was said was uncomfortably close from what is  
denounced as mobbing (http://www.mobbing-usa.com/): "Ganging up" by  
co-workers, subordinates or superiors to force someone out of the  
workplace through rumor, innuendo, intimidation, humiliation,  
discrediting, and isolation. The psychologist I am had a chance to  
learn, both out of professional and personal experience, how, as soon  
as you authorize yourself to enter this register, things can rapidly  
start to escalate out of control, with the development of feuds  
between persons or clans who in other contexts would be seen as the  
most supportive and honorable persons. Partly because the only way to  
denounce what is happening is to attack persons in the same register,  
innuendo, rumor, discrediting.

My understanding was that we had been in a "dangerous", highly  
emotional, zone at least 3 times over the last 3-4 months and that  
they would have continued to happen if this didn't get discussed in a  
way that made people aware of the fact their words and actions had an  
impact less innocent that they were ready to acknowledge.

That said, I had in the recent weeks very satisfactory interactions  
with Lynn Fredericks, the new runrev executive. If I have a feud  
against him, then I would gladly have feuds of this nature with any  
of you. Similarly, the recent rewording of their license in 2.7.1  
removes the reasons I had to explore other alternatives to avoid  
potential problems with the development of my projects. At the same  
time, the readings and explorations I had on java, ajax, ruby could  
easily be put to good use to better serve the runrev community ;-).

After all, Szun Tzu said "If you know your enemy and yourself, you  
will not be at risk in a hundred battles. If you know the enemy but  
not yourself, you will sometimes win and sometimes lose. If you know  
neither the enemy nor yourself, you will be at risk in every battle."

In all situations, our most dangerous enemy is ourself.

Marielle

------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
--------
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Alternative emails: mlange at blueyonder.co.uk,

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From see3d at writeme.com  Thu Mar 30 19:58:16 2006
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 19:58:16 -0500
Subject: OT: Apple at 30 - My Piece of the Big Fruit
In-Reply-To: <E3C34C2D-1490-4B9C-89E8-40AFD27947FD@dvkconsult.com.au>
References: <20060330212853.2C24982535F@mail.runrev.com>
	<E3C34C2D-1490-4B9C-89E8-40AFD27947FD@dvkconsult.com.au>
Message-ID: <ED696E43-CE76-4079-B369-3382F17E45A7@writeme.com>

I can't even remember the year right now, but the place was Atlantic  
City (before they tore down the old casinos), at the First East Coast  
Computer Fair.  I was there exhibiting my Wave Mate Jupiter II small  
computer systems (also available as a DYI kit).  Everyone was wearing  
IBM tee shirts (Itty Bitty Machine company --IBM later made them  
change the name --what became of them?).  Apple was there in a booth  
with a (prototype?) Apple (1) computer.  It was just a circuit  
board.  They had a crude homemade case, monitor, and a keyboard that  
they pointed out was not part of the product.  It was not impressive  
at the time.  These were the days when the big names in PCs worked in  
garage shops.

Years later, my dealers were also Apple II dealers.  They sold my  
systems as small business systems, and the Apple II to the schools,  
and for home use.

More years later (1979), I sold my computer company, and went into  
development of a dual floppy disk drive.  The product was becoming a  
hit when DEC scooped us up.  I remember that DEC made some overture  
about buying Apple at the time, and Steve laughed and said something  
like he would more likely buy DEC.

A few years later (1984-5) and the Mac arrived.  I saw one at the  
local PC store.  I said, "This is the future of user interfaces, and  
I am getting on board now".  I immediately bought two (one for me and  
one for my wife) along with a printer.  It was the first computer I  
owned that I did not design and build myself.

At DEC they made a policy that employees must use DEC computers.  I  
managed to get an exception and had a MAC on my desk for the rest of  
my career, even after merging with Quantum Computer Corp.

All those companies were broken up and transformed into something  
less than their heyday.  However,  Apple has yet to reach it's peak!

Apple has hung in there, and so have I.

Here's to the next 30 years of innovations!

Dennis





From mark at maseurope.net  Thu Mar 30 20:32:53 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 02:32:53 +0100
Subject: Question about text cgis
In-Reply-To: <C0517E91.36EA7%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C0517E91.36EA7%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <52335ABC-E1A5-41C6-AFDE-9AF6102E061C@maseurope.net>

I can't make this work - from a text cgi, anyway, I assume because in  
a text cgi, there is no 'this card' or 'this stack'.
I also tried having an empty stack in the cgi-bin directory, and  
setting it's script to a text file from the original text cgi, and  
then putting it in use, but this just got the same error as the  
previous approach...
So I can't see how we could include a library text file,  maybe we're  
stuck with having to use a library stack.
However, a stack is only going to be about 4k bigger than a text file  
containing the same script.
Out of curiosity, what's the objection to putting a stack in use from  
a text cgi?

Mark

On 30 Mar 2006, at 21:24, Jim Ault wrote:

> Try these steps :
>
> put "script01"&".txt" into FN
> put "c:/my documents/" into pathh
> set the script of this card to url ("file:" & pathh & FN)
>
> --or the script of button 22, etc.
>
> set the script of this card to ""
>
> --adding to the stack script would be
> get the script of this stack
> set the script of this stack to it & cr &  url ("file:" & pathh & FN)
>
> --more elaborate
> put the script of this card into origCdScript
> get url ("file:" & pathh & FN) & cr & origCdScript
> set the script of this card to it
> --call handler
> set the script of this card to origCdScript
>
> --alternative
> put " origCdScript"&".txt" into FN
> put "c:/my documents/" into pathh
> put the script of this card into url ("file:" & pathh & FN)
>
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
> On 3/30/06 12:25 PM, "jbv" <jbv.silences at club-internet.fr> wrote:
>
>> Hi list,
>>
>> I have a blank : I'm looking for a way to "include" external handlers
>> in a text-based cgi script and can't find a way to do that...
>> Here's what I mean : let's say I have a handler that performs a  
>> specific
>>
>> task ("on myTask") that I want to use in various cgi scripts. Of  
>> course
>> I can paste it in every script after the "on startup / end startup"
>> handler,
>> but it would be more convenient if it were an external file and to  
>> just
>> call it from each script, just like "#include" for libraries in C, or
>> "require_once" in php etc.
>>
>> I see how to do it with cgi stacks, but is there a way to do that  
>> with
>> text-based scripts ?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> JB
>>
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 30 20:59:11 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:59:11 -0800
Subject: Question about text cgis
In-Reply-To: <52335ABC-E1A5-41C6-AFDE-9AF6102E061C@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <C051CCEF.36EDB%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

> I can't make this work - from a text cgi, anyway, I assume because in
> a text cgi, there is no 'this card' or 'this stack'.
> I also tried having an empty stack in the cgi-bin directory, and
> setting it's script to a text file from the original text cgi, and
> then putting it in use, but this just got the same error as the
> previous approach...
Well, Mark, this is a new one for me.  I thought that there always had to be
a 'stack' and at least one 'card'.  Someone else will have to answer why
this cannot be done.  I quickly built a little stand alone that sets the
script of 'this card', goes to the next, etc, etc.  No problem.  Compiles
and executes on the fly as I would expect.

Are you sure you cannot set the script of 'this card' to the word 'cat' or
something simple?  Perhaps you have tried to set it to a handler that cannot
be compiled and the error message you happen to get is 'no such card'

Try a single word or phrase that Rev does not think is a handler.
Then try a simple handler like

"on test" & cr & "answer the number of this card" & cr & "end test"

As I said, I have not seen this technique fail, but I am not a well-traveled
guru, so I will learn yet another lesson :-)


Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 3/30/06 5:32 PM, "Mark Smith" <mark at maseurope.net> wrote:

> I can't make this work - from a text cgi, anyway, I assume because in
> a text cgi, there is no 'this card' or 'this stack'.
> I also tried having an empty stack in the cgi-bin directory, and
> setting it's script to a text file from the original text cgi, and
> then putting it in use, but this just got the same error as the
> previous approach...
> So I can't see how we could include a library text file,  maybe we're
> stuck with having to use a library stack.
> However, a stack is only going to be about 4k bigger than a text file
> containing the same script.
> Out of curiosity, what's the objection to putting a stack in use from
> a text cgi?
> 
> Mark
> 
> On 30 Mar 2006, at 21:24, Jim Ault wrote:
> 
>> Try these steps :
>> 
>> put "script01"&".txt" into FN
>> put "c:/my documents/" into pathh
>> set the script of this card to url ("file:" & pathh & FN)
>> 
>> --or the script of button 22, etc.
>> 
>> set the script of this card to ""
>> 
>> --adding to the stack script would be
>> get the script of this stack
>> set the script of this stack to it & cr &  url ("file:" & pathh & FN)
>> 
>> --more elaborate
>> put the script of this card into origCdScript
>> get url ("file:" & pathh & FN) & cr & origCdScript
>> set the script of this card to it
>> --call handler
>> set the script of this card to origCdScript
>> 
>> --alternative
>> put " origCdScript"&".txt" into FN
>> put "c:/my documents/" into pathh
>> put the script of this card into url ("file:" & pathh & FN)
>> 
>> 
>> Jim Ault
>> Las Vegas
>> 
>> On 3/30/06 12:25 PM, "jbv" <jbv.silences at club-internet.fr> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi list,
>>> 
>>> I have a blank : I'm looking for a way to "include" external handlers
>>> in a text-based cgi script and can't find a way to do that...
>>> Here's what I mean : let's say I have a handler that performs a
>>> specific
>>> 
>>> task ("on myTask") that I want to use in various cgi scripts. Of
>>> course
>>> I can paste it in every script after the "on startup / end startup"
>>> handler,
>>> but it would be more convenient if it were an external file and to
>>> just
>>> call it from each script, just like "#include" for libraries in C, or
>>> "require_once" in php etc.
>>> 
>>> I see how to do it with cgi stacks, but is there a way to do that
>>> with
>>> text-based scripts ?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> JB
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription
>>> preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>> 
>> 
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From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Mar 30 21:29:49 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 20:29:49 -0600
Subject: OT: Apple at 30 - My Piece of the Big Fruit
In-Reply-To: <ED696E43-CE76-4079-B369-3382F17E45A7@writeme.com>
References: <20060330212853.2C24982535F@mail.runrev.com>	<E3C34C2D-1490-4B9C-89E8-40AFD27947FD@dvkconsult.com.au>
	<ED696E43-CE76-4079-B369-3382F17E45A7@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <442C941D.8090900@chipp.com>

Yep,

I was hired to head up industrial design at a small startup called 
'Compaq.' Each day I hauled my Mac 128 up the elvator and the CEO would 
make some sort of comment about why I didn't use a Compaq, to which I 
replied, "as soon as it could do what the Mac could do I'd switch."

Years later, when _that_ happened, I did. I think it was 1994. But, I 
did spend 10 years with the Mac. Have to admit, I really missed the culture.

Funny thing, I've got one now, and can't stand using it. I guess it's 
just what you're used to. I still don't understand why I can't resize a 
window from any side :-(

And, for me, the Finder is just impossible to use compared to Explorer. 
Bob LeVitus and I go around and around on that one.

-Chipp







From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Mar 30 21:42:45 2006
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 20:42:45 -0600
Subject: scrollbarDrag question...
In-Reply-To: <442C6FB4.9030109@paraboliclogic.com>
Message-ID: <C051F345.38BAC%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 3/30/06 5:54 PM, "Garrett Hylltun" <garrett at paraboliclogic.com> wrote:

> Rev 2.6.1
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> I have a field with the "dontWrap" set to true, so both horizontal and
> vertical scrollbars are available to the field.
> 
> In using the scrollbarDrag message, I found that both horz and vert
> scrollbars send the message and I have no way to differentiate between
> the two.
> 
> Is there a way to find out which scrollbar sent the message?

Well, you could store the current hScroll and vScroll values in a custom
property, and then when you get the scrollbarDrag message, compare the
hScroll and vScoll against the stored values. Whichever one changed is the
culprit. Then just make sure to set your custom properties to the new values
so you can check the next time...

I'm curious, though - why would you need to know which sent the message?

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Mar 30 21:43:54 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:43:54 -0800
Subject: OT: Apple at 30 - My Piece of the Big Fruit
Message-ID: <442C976A.1020901@fourthworld.com>

Chipp Walters wrote:

> I still don't understand why I can't resize a 
> window from any side :-(

Funny, whenever I use Windows I wonder why I can't move a window from 
any side.  :(

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From soapdog at mac.com  Thu Mar 30 21:49:05 2006
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:49:05 -0300
Subject: OT: Apple at 30 - My Piece of the Big Fruit
In-Reply-To: <442C976A.1020901@fourthworld.com>
References: <442C976A.1020901@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <FCD4070C-B36E-451D-A365-9CFABF3E40D6@mac.com>


On Mar 30, 2006, at 11:43 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Chipp Walters wrote:
>
>> I still don't understand why I can't resize a window from any  
>> side :-(
>
> Funny, whenever I use Windows I wonder why I can't move a window  
> from any side.  :(


The joy of difference... :)

what about me that love my mac but hate the finder... Why, for the  
love of God, can't we mount a FTP drive as a Read and Write volume?  
Even I can implement a simple finder-like solution in Rev that can do  
that, why Billions-worth Apple can't Fix The Finder!!!! Why can't we  
search the extended attributes, why the thing must stop responding  
for freaking 45s on a network disconnect... I wonder why...

sorry, I just had some trouble with finder some minutes ago and  
needed a relaunch...

>
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Thu Mar 30 21:51:29 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:51:29 -0800
Subject: OT: Apple at 30 - My Piece of the Big Fruit
In-Reply-To: <442C941D.8090900@chipp.com>
References: <20060330212853.2C24982535F@mail.runrev.com>
	<E3C34C2D-1490-4B9C-89E8-40AFD27947FD@dvkconsult.com.au>
	<ED696E43-CE76-4079-B369-3382F17E45A7@writeme.com>
	<442C941D.8090900@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <p06230935c05247c75011@[192.168.1.103]>

My condolences on your switch to the dark side.
Your Mac life has given you an edge on your cross-platform interface 
design, though.

Before Revcon last year I could have sworn you were a Mac guy...

sqb
Apple II and Macs since 1980...

>
>Funny thing, I've got one now, and can't stand using it. I guess 
>it's just what you're used to. I still don't understand why I can't 
>resize a window from any side :-(
>
>And, for me, the Finder is just impossible to use compared to 
>Explorer. Bob LeVitus and I go around and around on that one.
>
>-Chipp
>

-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -


From jspencer78 at mac.com  Thu Mar 30 22:13:11 2006
From: jspencer78 at mac.com (James Spencer)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:13:11 -0600
Subject: Can't pass array function result as parameter
In-Reply-To: <6AC4282A-DC3F-424A-86E9-2C1943EEB1F3@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <68002FCC-CA13-4A74-AC43-14915AADF13F@mac.com>
	<6AC4282A-DC3F-424A-86E9-2C1943EEB1F3@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <07B8E120-0560-4E21-9693-499E9AB9DEAE@mac.com>


On Mar 30, 2006, at 10:00 AM, David Burgun wrote:

> Hi.
>
> Depending on how you have coded it, there will be 2 copies of the  
> array, e.g.
>
> if you do this in the library:
>
> local sgLibArray
>
> function LibGetArray
> return sgLibArray
> end LibGetArray
>
>
> function LibChangeArray theArray,theKey,theData
> put theData into theArray[theKey]
> end LibChangeArray
>
>
> on mouseUp
> put LibGetArray() into myArray
>
> get LibChangeArray(myArray)
> end mouseUp
>
>
> Then there will be one copy of the array stored in gLibArray (in  
> the library stack) and one stored in myArray (in the client stack).  
> LibChangeArray() will change the copy in myArray and then return,  
> the mouseUp handler will return and myArray will be destroyed.
>
> In order to fix this you'd have to add the following line to  
> LibChangeArray:
>
> put theArray into sgLibArray
>
> AFAIK, this means the array is copied twice, there may be a way to  
> save this copying by use of the "@" keyword but if so I haven't  
> been able to figure out how to do it.

Thanks Dave but I didn't explain my problem well and while I will  
give the idea of different local variables existing in different  
handlers both in the library and in my code, I don't think this is  
the problem.  To try and explain again:

Assume LibGetArray() is a function like you have it above which  
returns an array.  Assume LibUseDifferentArray is a handler which is  
passed an array as a parameter and does something with it.  As far as  
the library is concerned there is no necessary connection between the  
two arrays. LibUseDifferentArray is defined as :

on LibUseDifferentArray pArray
   -- process the array
   -- ...
end


I have been trying to call these handlers as follows:

on mouseUp

   local tArray

   put LibGetArray() into tArray

   -- simplified modification of array:
   put tArray["Title"] into tTitle
   put " (DUPLICATE)" after tTitle
   put tTitle into tArray["Title"]

   LibUseDifferentArray tArray
end mouseUp

My problem is that while the debugger shows tArray in my mouseUp  
handler to be valid and shows it to have been correctly modified,  
when I step into the library code for LibUseDifferentArray, it shows  
pArray as empty and the processing fails.  In order to get it to work  
I have had to copy tArray to a new array, element by element:

on mouseUp

   local tArray, tNewArray
   put LibGetArray() into myArray

   -- simplified modification of array:
   put myArray["Title"] into tTitle
   put " (DUPLICATE)" after tTitle
   put tTitle into tNewArray["Title"]

   put tArray["SecondKey"] into tNewArray["SecondKey"]
   put tArray["ThirdKey"] into tNewArray["ThirdKey"]

   LibUseDifferentArray tNewArray
end mouseUp

One thing that I'm still exploring is that some of the elements of  
the array returned by LibGetArray() can be empty.  I'm not sure if  
the problem is related to this but its the best I've come up with.

James P. Spencer
Rochester, MN

jspencer78 at mac.com

"Badges??  We don't need no stinkin badges!"



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Mar 30 22:31:58 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 19:31:58 -0800
Subject: Apple at 30 - My Piece of the Big Fruit
Message-ID: <442CA2AE.9070107@fourthworld.com>

Andre Garzia wrote:
> what about me that love my mac but hate the finder... Why, for the  
> love of God, can't we mount a FTP drive as a Read and Write volume?

Because you don't have Interarchy installed:
<http://www.interarchy.com/>

Is that built-in with Windows?


PS: If you missed this when it first came out, you may enjoy reading 
other productive criticisms of the Finder here:
<http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/finder.ars/1>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From soapdog at mac.com  Thu Mar 30 22:40:18 2006
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 00:40:18 -0300
Subject: Apple at 30 - My Piece of the Big Fruit
In-Reply-To: <442CA2AE.9070107@fourthworld.com>
References: <442CA2AE.9070107@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <AE3E2555-804A-4FA5-ACC6-2CF5706EA4E9@mac.com>

Richard,

heheeh after Sivakatirswami showed me Interarchy, I bought a  
license... but I really thing the finder should have two ways FTP  
comunications, it has two ways WebDAV which is harder...

Cheers
andre



On Mar 31, 2006, at 12:31 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Because you don't have Interarchy installed:
> <http://www.interarchy.com/>



From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Mar 30 22:58:11 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:58:11 -0600
Subject: OT: Apple at 30 - My Piece of the Big Fruit
In-Reply-To: <442C976A.1020901@fourthworld.com>
References: <442C976A.1020901@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <442CA8D3.5070500@chipp.com>


Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Chipp Walters wrote:
> 
>> I still don't understand why I can't resize a window from any side :-(


> Funny, whenever I use Windows I wonder why I can't move a window from 
> any side.  :(

Heh, cute (told you I'd use it).

Still, when trying to 'grow' my script window (to see more of my script) 
which I typically keep at the bottom of my screen, it takes me how many 
clicks on the Mac?...hmmm, let's count:

1) Click and drag the window up higher
2) Click the small bottom-right corner and drag-down but not too far 
left or right as now you're changing the width too.
3) If I don't see enough of the script, then repeat step 1 and 2.

On the PC:

1) Click on the top of the window and drag upwards, revealing the script 
as I do, and when I think I've enough script window, I can letup on the 
mouse button. Also, I don't have to worry about changing the width of my 
script window.

Not to make this a PC vs Mac war thread. There's tons of stuff I don't 
like about the PC, especially how the 'Finder' reboots by itself all the 
time, and hybernation *NEVER* works on my laptop. Don't even get me 
started about the registry!

-Chipp



From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Mar 30 22:59:10 2006
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:59:10 -0600
Subject: Apple at 30 - My Piece of the Big Fruit
In-Reply-To: <442CA2AE.9070107@fourthworld.com>
References: <442CA2AE.9070107@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <442CA90E.7090308@chipp.com>



Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Andre Garzia wrote:
> 
>> what about me that love my mac but hate the finder... Why, for the  
>> love of God, can't we mount a FTP drive as a Read and Write volume?
> 
> 
> Because you don't have Interarchy installed:
> <http://www.interarchy.com/>
> 
> Is that built-in with Windows?

WebDav is, and IE can do basic FTP stuff.



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Mar 30 23:31:31 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 22:31:31 -0600
Subject: Question about text cgis
In-Reply-To: <C051CCEF.36EDB%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C051CCEF.36EDB%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <442CB0A3.9030200@hyperactivesw.com>

Jim Ault wrote:
>>I can't make this work - from a text cgi, anyway, I assume because in
>>a text cgi, there is no 'this card' or 'this stack'.
>>I also tried having an empty stack in the cgi-bin directory, and
>>setting it's script to a text file from the original text cgi, and
>>then putting it in use, but this just got the same error as the
>>previous approach...
> 
> Well, Mark, this is a new one for me.  I thought that there always had to be
> a 'stack' and at least one 'card'.  Someone else will have to answer why
> this cannot be done.  I quickly built a little stand alone that sets the
> script of 'this card', goes to the next, etc, etc.  No problem.  Compiles
> and executes on the fly as I would expect.

He may be hitting the script limits. In a standalone or a CGI (or 
anywhere the engine is running without a fully licensed IDE) you cannot 
set a script to more than 10 lines.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Mar 30 23:44:36 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 20:44:36 -0800
Subject: OT: Apple at 30 - My Piece of the Big Fruit
Message-ID: <442CB3B4.90305@fourthworld.com>

Chipp Walters wrote:

> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> Chipp Walters wrote:
>> 
>>> I still don't understand why I can't resize a window from any side :-(
> 
>> Funny, whenever I use Windows I wonder why I can't move a window from 
>> any side.  :(
> 
> Heh, cute (told you I'd use it).
> 
> Still, when trying to 'grow' my script window (to see more of my script) 
> which I typically keep at the bottom of my screen, it takes me how many 
> clicks on the Mac?...hmmm

I don't think it's all that deep.  One OS vendor thinks window borders 
should be used for resizing, the other thinks they should be used for 
moving.

My gripe is that neither will publish the research supporting their 
position, leaving both vendors vulnerable to accusations that such 
things aren't really research-driven at all, but merely some executive's 
edict.

I miss the days when an OS UI researcher had as part of his job 
description providing explanations of the "why" behind the "what".

Well, on second thought one of them does:
<http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/>

Apple used to do that with Tog, but abandoned the practice some time 
before Amelio fired the entire UI research staff in "a cost-cutting 
move" (talk about gutting the goose that laid the golden eggs).  The 
rumor mill says they were replaced by Jobs, but other rumors say they 
were replaced with graphic artists, and Apple's so tight-lipped these 
days it's not possible to know whether they even do UI research anymore.

Meanwhile, the Office 12 team at Microsoft has been blogging some damn 
interesting stuff there at Jensen Harris' site.  Thanks, Dan, for 
turning me on to that blog.

Sure wish Apple was as proud of its team members as Microsoft is of 
theirs.  While Microsoft celebrates Harris, Apple appears to conceal 
their research staff.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Mar 30 23:44:48 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 22:44:48 -0600
Subject: Can't pass array function result as parameter
In-Reply-To: <07B8E120-0560-4E21-9693-499E9AB9DEAE@mac.com>
References: <68002FCC-CA13-4A74-AC43-14915AADF13F@mac.com>	<6AC4282A-DC3F-424A-86E9-2C1943EEB1F3@dsl.pipex.com>
	<07B8E120-0560-4E21-9693-499E9AB9DEAE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <442CB3C0.2050409@hyperactivesw.com>

James Spencer wrote:

> My problem is that while the debugger shows tArray in my mouseUp  
> handler to be valid and shows it to have been correctly modified,  when 
> I step into the library code for LibUseDifferentArray, it shows  pArray 
> as empty and the processing fails.  In order to get it to work  I have 
> had to copy tArray to a new array, element by element:

Here's an old discussion that may help:

<http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/metacard/2003-June/005126.html>

Basically, sometimes you can pass an array and sometimes you can't.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Mar 30 23:49:09 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 22:49:09 -0600
Subject: Can't pass array function result as parameter
In-Reply-To: <07B8E120-0560-4E21-9693-499E9AB9DEAE@mac.com>
References: <68002FCC-CA13-4A74-AC43-14915AADF13F@mac.com>	<6AC4282A-DC3F-424A-86E9-2C1943EEB1F3@dsl.pipex.com>
	<07B8E120-0560-4E21-9693-499E9AB9DEAE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <442CB4C5.1090708@hyperactivesw.com>

James Spencer wrote:

> My problem is that while the debugger shows tArray in my mouseUp  
> handler to be valid and shows it to have been correctly modified,  when 
> I step into the library code for LibUseDifferentArray, it shows  pArray 
> as empty and the processing fails.

Also, I just found an old note about this from Scott Raney:

>>> I have seen other limitations.  I can return an array from a function 
>>> and pass an array as a parameter but not both in the same expression as 
>>> in somFunction(buildArray()).
> 
> 
> This is because you can only pass arrays using *variables*, not as the
> return value of a function call.  In C/C++/Java, trying to do the
> above where "someFunction" takes a reference would generate a syntax
> error.  MC/RR, being an untyped language, just silently takes the
> scalar value (which in this case will be empty) if it can't find a
> variable when it gets to the called function.  You can work around
> this by breaking it into two steps:
> get buildArray()
> get someFunction(it)


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Mar 30 23:52:47 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 22:52:47 -0600
Subject: scrollbarDrag question...
In-Reply-To: <442C6FB4.9030109@paraboliclogic.com>
References: <20060325224322.61791.qmail@web33013.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<442C6FB4.9030109@paraboliclogic.com>
Message-ID: <442CB59F.8080204@hyperactivesw.com>

Garrett Hylltun wrote:
> Rev 2.6.1
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> I have a field with the "dontWrap" set to true, so both horizontal and 
> vertical scrollbars are available to the field.
> 
> In using the scrollbarDrag message, I found that both horz and vert 
> scrollbars send the message and I have no way to differentiate between 
> the two.
> 
> Is there a way to find out which scrollbar sent the message?

Try checking "the target".

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Mar 31 00:02:02 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:02:02 -0800
Subject: scrollbarDrag question...
Message-ID: <442CB7CA.2020806@fourthworld.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Garrett Hylltun wrote:
>> I have a field with the "dontWrap" set to true, so both horizontal and 
>> vertical scrollbars are available to the field.
>> 
>> In using the scrollbarDrag message, I found that both horz and vert 
>> scrollbars send the message and I have no way to differentiate between 
>> the two.
>> 
>> Is there a way to find out which scrollbar sent the message?
> 
> Try checking "the target".

Unfortunately "the target" only returns a reference to the field; 
scrollbars attached to a field are not addressible as distinct objects.

I just added a request for a param to scrollBarDrag to identify the 
scrollbar being moved:
<http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=3476>

In the meantime I've used this workaround:

on scrollBarDrag
   if the clickV > the bottom of me - 16 then
     -- do horizontal scrollbar stuff:

   else
     -- do vertical scrollbar stuff:

   end if
end scrollBarDrag


-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Mar 31 00:09:48 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:09:48 -0600
Subject: scrollbarDrag question...
In-Reply-To: <442CB7CA.2020806@fourthworld.com>
References: <442CB7CA.2020806@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <442CB99C.8070009@hyperactivesw.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>> Garrett Hylltun wrote:
>>
>>> I have a field with the "dontWrap" set to true, so both horizontal 
>>> and vertical scrollbars are available to the field.
>>>
>>> In using the scrollbarDrag message, I found that both horz and vert 
>>> scrollbars send the message and I have no way to differentiate 
>>> between the two.
>>>
>>> Is there a way to find out which scrollbar sent the message?
>>
>>
>> Try checking "the target".
> 
> 
> Unfortunately "the target" only returns a reference to the field; 
> scrollbars attached to a field are not addressible as distinct objects.

Oops, I misread the question; I automatically assumed separate scrollbar 
objects. You are right, of course. My flawed assumption is the 
workaround for now though: construct a group with a field and two 
scrollbar objects. Ugly, yes.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Fri Mar 31 01:14:31 2006
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 22:14:31 -0800
Subject: OS X System Crash using 2.7 build 192
In-Reply-To: <6C26D7CD-D01B-4363-A46F-E106B55B775B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C05208C7.199CB%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

On 3/30/06 1:43 PM, "Joe Brillhart" <joebrillhart at mac.com> wrote:

> my entire desktop went blue (no finder!)

That happened to me tonight, on quitting Rev.  I have no guess what caused
the crash.  All I could do after waiting awhile was hold in the on/off
button to restart the Mac.

There seems to be no relevant crash log.

That's the second time it's happened to me with Rev 2.7 build 192 on OS X
10.4.5.  There seemed to be no relevant crash log the first time either, so
I decided to ignore it the first time.

No other app has given me this experience on OS X.

-- Dick




From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Fri Mar 31 01:30:15 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 22:30:15 -0800
Subject: scrollbarDrag question...
In-Reply-To: <C051F345.38BAC%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C051F345.38BAC%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <442CCC77.6080506@paraboliclogic.com>

Ken Ray wrote:

[snip]
>> Is there a way to find out which scrollbar sent the message?
> 
> Well, you could store the current hScroll and vScroll values in a custom
> property, and then when you get the scrollbarDrag message, compare the
> hScroll and vScoll against the stored values. Whichever one changed is the
> culprit. Then just make sure to set your custom properties to the new values
> so you can check the next time...
> 
> I'm curious, though - why would you need to know which sent the message?

In my endeavor to make a routine for syntax highlighting for a HTML 
document in a field, I've tried various ideas.  Initially I was scanning 
the entire document each time a change was made in the field, and this 
proved to be a very bad idea.  I was also scanning the entire document 
when loading the html file, great for small files, but a very noticeable 
delay when trying to load a very large html file.

I have come up with what I think is a good routine for checking when a 
change is made in the field, so that's taken care of, but I had an idea 
earlier today about when loading the html file into the editor.

Instead of scanning the entire document on loading it, I want to scan 
only the text that is just below the view of the user.  So as the user 
scrolls, I want to scan a few lines below the users view.  This way it 
doesn't take a lot of time scanning and highlighting the entire document 
on initial loading, it only takes a microsecond to scan just below the 
view of the user.  I have no problem coming up with the code to actually 
do this, but when I found out that I could not tell which scroll bar was 
at work, I couldn't move on.

I'll give your suggestion a try.  Looks like Richard Gaskin has an idea 
also for this.  So maybe between your suggestion and his I might be able 
to accomplish this  :-)

Thanks a bunch,
-Garrett


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Fri Mar 31 02:04:13 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:04:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: OT: Apple at 30 - My Piece of the Big Fruit
In-Reply-To: <581F153D-786A-4244-A7E5-A4BF9F7B6BD2@siphonophore.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603302302250.17245-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Yeah, I'm remembering now that my $100 1 MB RAM upgrade probably didn't
come through legit channels...  a friend of the spousal unit made it
happen...

Judy

On Thu, 30 Mar 2006, jeffrey reynolds wrote:

> I remember getting my 2mb upgrade for my SE to go to 2.5mb in 1988.
> it cost $350 through the berkeley education program (i was a grad
> student then). it was right when there was that short, but big,
> memory price spike (i think it was a fake shortage thing by some
> overseas suppliers) and when the chips were delivered the street
> price on them was up over $1000. as i walked out of the campus office
> where i picked up the little package with the simms, there were
> literally about a dozen professors in the hall outside trying to buy
> simms off folks since they were very hard to get. I could have made a
> fast $500-600 profit if i had been willing to part with them then
> bought them a couple of months later for like $250. being the
> lifetime propeller head i am i resisted. that was a month of grad
> student pay!



From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Fri Mar 31 02:08:18 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:08:18 -0800
Subject: scrollbarDrag question...
In-Reply-To: <442CB7CA.2020806@fourthworld.com>
References: <442CB7CA.2020806@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <442CD562.8050101@paraboliclogic.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:
[snip]
> In the meantime I've used this workaround:
> 
> on scrollBarDrag
>   if the clickV > the bottom of me - 16 then
>     -- do horizontal scrollbar stuff:
>   else
>     -- do vertical scrollbar stuff:
>   end if
> end scrollBarDrag

Outstanding!  This does the job just fine.  :-)

Richard, again, thank you for the help.  Ken Ray, thanks also for your 
suggestion.  And J. Landman Gay, thanks for responding also.

-Garrett


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Mar 31 02:17:13 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:17:13 -0800
Subject: Can't pass array function result as parameter
In-Reply-To: <442CB3C0.2050409@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <68002FCC-CA13-4A74-AC43-14915AADF13F@mac.com>
	<6AC4282A-DC3F-424A-86E9-2C1943EEB1F3@dsl.pipex.com>
	<07B8E120-0560-4E21-9693-499E9AB9DEAE@mac.com>
	<442CB3C0.2050409@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <7419640581.20060330231713@ahsoftware.net>

Jacque-

> <http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/metacard/2003-June/005126.html>

Thanks! I remembered seeing that somewhere...

-- 
 -Mark Wieder
  mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Mar 31 02:24:26 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:24:26 -0800
Subject: ftp client
In-Reply-To: <442CA90E.7090308@chipp.com>
References: <442CA2AE.9070107@fourthworld.com> <442CA90E.7090308@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <11020073404.20060330232426@ahsoftware.net>

Chipp-

Thursday, March 30, 2006, 7:59:10 PM, you wrote:

> WebDav is, and IE can do basic FTP stuff.

...and BTW there is a great free replacement (MOVEit Freely) for the
stupid commandline ftp client built into Windows at

http://www.stdnet.com/products/?category_number=7&subcategory_number=2

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Fri Mar 31 02:34:05 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:34:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: OT: Apple at 30 - My Piece of the Big Fruit
In-Reply-To: <ED696E43-CE76-4079-B369-3382F17E45A7@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603302319540.17245-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Oh yeah!

I felt the exact same way.  While everybody knows that I am certainly not
a geek by even the most generous stretch of the definition, I had used and
played around with DOS-based PCs, the Commodore64 (using the word
processing app PaperClip -- anybody remember it?  You could have 3 sizes
of type, styles included bold, italic and underline, and, this is where I
felt like I had died and gone to heaven, you could JUSTIFY type along
your defined line-length!!! and xeroxing the resulting dot-matrix
printout made your pasted page layout look downright decent) and the
Timex Sinclair.  I could fiddle with Basic, do file/directory
manipulation in DOS, but, man, a  MOUSE?!?!?? and pretty little pictures
(that were intuitive) I could click on and feel free to experiment and
use as opposed to being terrified I'd do something incredibly stupid like
inadvertently erase DOS on my employer's machine (yup, did that. thank
the deities for the manuals he had handy, I reinstalled that little sucker
before he ever got back)...

Yeah, no... no looking back. I remember telling my fiance at the time.  We
were pooling resources and purchasing for the future.  We both agreed we
needed to make computer ownership a priority.  He wanted to buy a DOS
machine.

I told him, sure, honey... but I'm saving my money and will be buying a
Mac as soon as I can afford one.

After much grousing, he went along with me... and has never looked back.

And then I saw a Newton...

Judy

On Thu, 30 Mar 2006, Dennis Brown wrote:

> A few years later (1984-5) and the Mac arrived.  I saw one at the
> local PC store.  I said, "This is the future of user interfaces, and
> I am getting on board now".





From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Mar 31 02:34:37 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:34:37 -0800
Subject: ODBC connection to MS SQL 2000 help needed
In-Reply-To: <20060331001959.NUN20875.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@[172\.18\.180\.8]>
References: <20060331001959.NUN20875.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@[172.18.180.8]>
Message-ID: <320684642.20060330233437@ahsoftware.net>

mfstuart-

Thursday, March 30, 2006, 4:19:59 PM, you wrote:

> I voted on this bug using RevZilla.
> BTW: how many times can one vote on a bug?

You're allowed five votes per bug.

> Well, after reading the bug Description, I?m getting a little disappointed with Rev Studio
> for database access. I?m loving the rest of the features, but
> these are serious flaws in the product
> from a company that markets their software as a RAD database development tool.

Yes. So far for any realworld database project I've taken on I've had
to use other tools than rev. I'd love to build db frontends with it,
but it's just not up to snuff.

> Here?s a snippet from the following RunRev web site that drew me to finally buy the product:
> http://revstudio.runrev.com/you_can_make.php#enterprise

>>From the 3rd paragraph of the 4th section titled ?Rapid prototyping & database GUIs?:

> ?With full support for databases, including access to open source databases such as MySQL,
> you can build a custom database solution for your business in minutes.
> Access the database using our point and click tools. Add more complex functionality or
> get right down to the SQL itself. Add any level of client functionality,
> making your solution perform like a true application.?

All that is true. I built a test harness for the database functions
and MySQL comes through fine. If you don't absolutely *need* odbc
functionality you might consider going with MySQL or SQLite. Or
Valentina (I had to beat Ruslan to the draw here...). If you have real
clients with existing odbc databases then you're better off with some
other frontend tool.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Fri Mar 31 02:37:07 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:37:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: OT: Apple at 30 - My Piece of the Big Fruit
In-Reply-To: <442C976A.1020901@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603302335440.17245-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Or, why on earth I would ever want to launch multiple instances of the
SAME application :-/

Judy

On Thu, 30 Mar 2006, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Chipp Walters wrote:
>
> > I still don't understand why I can't resize a
> > window from any side :-(
>
> Funny, whenever I use Windows I wonder why I can't move a window from
> any side.  :(



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Fri Mar 31 02:39:53 2006
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:39:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: OT: Apple at 30 - My Piece of the Big Fruit
In-Reply-To: <FCD4070C-B36E-451D-A365-9CFABF3E40D6@mac.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603302337260.17245-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Indeed, why not?

I used to be able to do this in my FrankenLab... NetaTalk, anyone?

We can't do this anymore even outside of my truly FUBAR'd lab???  (see how
ignorance is bliss?  all this time, I thought it was just our screwed-up
environment).

Judy

On Thu, 30 Mar 2006, Andre Garzia wrote:

> what about me that love my mac but hate the finder... Why, for the
> love of God, can't we mount a FTP drive as a Read and Write volume?
> Even I can implement a simple finder-like solution in Rev that can do
> that, why Billions-worth Apple can't Fix The Finder!!!! Why can't we
> search the extended attributes, why the thing must stop responding
> for freaking 45s on a network disconnect... I wonder why...



From livfoss at mac.com  Fri Mar 31 02:50:59 2006
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:50:59 +0200
Subject: Palettes and the defaultMenuBar
Message-ID: <613FA556-4D16-4644-9B7E-C05E1E883E42@mac.com>

On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:07:48 -0800 (PST) ,Jan Schenkel  
<janschenkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> You should be able to set the defaultMenubar to the
> main menbar group of your mainStack upon preOpenStack
> of your standalone.
> That way, any stack that doesn't have its own menubar
> will display the menubar of your mainStack.
> Or have you tried that and it didn't work properly?

Jan - I got hung up on the (to me) strange scope rules in Rev: I had  
called all my menubar groups "Main_Menu", because I imagined I could  
qualify each name with the stack it was in, as in:

   set the menubar of stack "myStack" to grp "Main_Menu" of stack  
"myOtherStack"

but you can't - in fact, if you try, you get a transcript error  
('source is not a container') which was the origin of the remark in  
my original mail. In this context, if in no other, group names have  
to be unique within the whole stack structure, because actually you  
can only write

  set the menubar of stack "myStack" to "Main_Menu"

I wish name scoping in Rev were consistent - the worst issue  
concerning this IMO is not the above, but the fact that you can't  
load two versions of a stack and its substacks into the RR  
environment at the same time, because the names of stacks are not  
qualified by the directory they happen to be in - there is a Bugzilla  
entry about this, but on a quick search I couldn't find it.

What I've done now is to ensure that all my menubar groups have  
unique names, and then it works as you suggest.

Thanks

Graham

PS I also found that you can't set the defaultMenuBar to empty, any  
idea why?



----------------------------------------
Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Mar 31 02:51:54 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:51:54 -0800
Subject: OT: Apple at 30 - My Piece of the Big Fruit
In-Reply-To: <4AB2FAAE-A60F-4838-876D-DC4382AE5C51@siphonophore.com>
References: <20060330212852.E9E33825369@mail.runrev.com>
	<4AB2FAAE-A60F-4838-876D-DC4382AE5C51@siphonophore.com>
Message-ID: <421721253.20060330235154@ahsoftware.net>

jeffrey-

Thursday, March 30, 2006, 2:47:59 PM, you wrote:

> if anyone has a users manual for the sinclair z80 i would appreciate
> talking with you, i lost mine a long while back and would love to  
> poke at it sometime!

Not exactly a manual, but interested in a simulator?

http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/sinclair/index.htm
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/9723/sinclair.html
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/system/emulators/zx/!INDEX.short.html

...and if you haven't yet read William Gibson's "Pattern Recognition",
there's a Sinclair theme running through it...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Mar 31 03:01:52 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 00:01:52 -0800
Subject: OT: Apple at 30 - My Piece of the Big Fruit
In-Reply-To: <1068433584-263845008@lindbergh.macserve.net>
References: <1068433584-263845008@lindbergh.macserve.net>
Message-ID: <14022319613.20060331000152@ahsoftware.net>

Lynn-

Wednesday, March 29, 2006, 7:20:54 PM, you wrote:

> Ive been watching the nostalgia building over the last week for the Apple
> 30th anniversary (this Saturday on April 1) and starting to feel a little
> nostalgic myself (digging out my much loved PowerCD). It wouldn't surprise

Thanks for an enjoyable read. I still haven't been able to bring
myself to throw away my OpenDoc dev cds... sigh...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Mar 31 03:07:36 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 00:07:36 -0800
Subject: OT: Apple at 30 - My Piece of the Big Fruit
Message-ID: <442CE348.5000006@fourthworld.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:

> I still haven't been able to bring myself to throw away my
> OpenDoc dev cds... sigh...

I still have Apple's OpenDoc evangelism video -- sometimes I pull it out 
and it occurs to me, "Hey, that's Rev". :)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Mar 31 04:07:06 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 11:07:06 +0200
Subject: Question about text cgis
In-Reply-To: <442CB0A3.9030200@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C051CCEF.36EDB%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<442CB0A3.9030200@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <A8103D5C-3ABB-4280-AFB7-2CC648AECC92@major-k.de>

Hi Jaqueline,

> Jim Ault wrote:
>>> I can't make this work - from a text cgi, anyway, I assume  
>>> because in
>>> a text cgi, there is no 'this card' or 'this stack'.
>>> I also tried having an empty stack in the cgi-bin directory, and
>>> setting it's script to a text file from the original text cgi, and
>>> then putting it in use, but this just got the same error as the
>>> previous approach...
>> Well, Mark, this is a new one for me.  I thought that there always  
>> had to be
>> a 'stack' and at least one 'card'.  Someone else will have to  
>> answer why
>> this cannot be done.  I quickly built a little stand alone that  
>> sets the
>> script of 'this card', goes to the next, etc, etc.  No problem.   
>> Compiles
>> and executes on the fly as I would expect.
>
> He may be hitting the script limits. In a standalone or a CGI (or  
> anywhere the engine is running without a fully licensed IDE) you  
> cannot set a script to more than 10 lines.

there was no script limit when using the engine without an interface  
(read: as a CGI engine)
in the past. Has this feature been removed?

> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From europe at ehug.info  Fri Mar 31 04:24:07 2006
From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 11:24:07 +0200
Subject: Apple at 30 - My Piece of the Big Fruit
In-Reply-To: <442CA90E.7090308@chipp.com>
References: <442CA2AE.9070107@fourthworld.com> <442CA90E.7090308@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <442CF537.3060205@ehug.info>

Hi,

I'm woking on an ftp client for the Mac, exactly because the 
Finder doesn't deal with FTP too well. I thought Windows users 
wouldn't have much of an interest in a simple and easy-to-use 
yet feature-stuffed and good-looking FTP client ;-) If there is 
a market for it, I'll adjust the client to work on Windows 
machines as well. It's price tag is expected to be equal to 
Interarchy's upgrade. Write me off-list for more info.

Best,

Mark

Chipp Walters wrote:
> 
> 
> Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
>> Andre Garzia wrote:
>>
>>> what about me that love my mac but hate the finder... Why, for the  
>>> love of God, can't we mount a FTP drive as a Read and Write volume?
>>
>>
>>
>> Because you don't have Interarchy installed:
>> <http://www.interarchy.com/>
>>
>> Is that built-in with Windows?
> 
> 
> WebDav is, and IE can do basic FTP stuff.

-- 

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From supote.songthammawat at gmail.com  Fri Mar 31 04:58:40 2006
From: supote.songthammawat at gmail.com (supote.songthammawat)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:58:40 +0700
Subject: How to use Character Encoding in Runrev V. 2.5.1 (same as no menu
 bar in Explorer or Mozilla)
Message-ID: <442CFD50.3040409@gmail.com>

Help me, please
      I want to know how to use Character Encoding in Runrev V. 2.5.1 
(same as no menu bar in Explorer or Mozilla). If you know please suggest 
me. Thank you very much.

Best Regard,
Supote Songthammawat


From supote.songthammawat at gmail.com  Fri Mar 31 05:01:20 2006
From: supote.songthammawat at gmail.com (supote.songthammawat)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:01:20 +0700
Subject: How to use Character Encoding in Runrev V. 2.5.1 (same as no menu
 bar in Explorer or Mozilla)
Message-ID: <442CFDF0.60906@gmail.com>

Help me, please
     I want to know how to use Character Encoding in Runrev V. 2.5.1 
(same as no menu bar in Explorer or Mozilla). If you know please suggest 
me. Thank you very much.

Best Regard,
Supote Songthammawat


From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Mar 31 05:07:00 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:07:00 +0200
Subject: How to use Character Encoding in Runrev V. 2.5.1 (same as no
	menu bar in Explorer or Mozilla)
In-Reply-To: <442CFD50.3040409@gmail.com>
References: <442CFD50.3040409@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FEA71405-9BC2-4B6A-AFDB-94DD19E2E2A2@major-k.de>

Salaam Supote,

> Help me, please
>      I want to know how to use Character Encoding in Runrev V.  
> 2.5.1 (same as no menu bar in Explorer or Mozilla). If you know  
> please suggest me.

you probably mean "...as ON menu bar..." :-)

Please check this in the docs:
mactoiso
isotomac
uniencode
unidecode
charset
platform

That might get you started.

> Thank you very much.
>
> Best Regard,
> Supote Songthammawat

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From johnmiller1950 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Mar 31 05:09:29 2006
From: johnmiller1950 at sbcglobal.net (John Miller)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 05:09:29 -0500
Subject: Projection Question
Message-ID: <F3D942A8-683D-472F-89B9-1B02D7B69448@sbcglobal.net>

Ian,

Thanks for taking time to respond.  I'm not sure I understand.  I am  
using a laptop that only has one screen.  Is there a way to send just  
a portion of the screen to the projector while continuing work on the  
rest of the screen?

Thanks,
John


From supote.songthammawat at gmail.com  Fri Mar 31 05:14:50 2006
From: supote.songthammawat at gmail.com (supote.songthammawat)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:14:50 +0700
Subject: How to use Character Encoding in Runrev V. 2.5.1 in order to swap
 or translate multilanguage (same as on menu bar in Explorer or Mozilla)
Message-ID: <442D011A.9020904@gmail.com>

Help me, please
    I want to know how to use Character Encoding in Runrev V. 2.5.1 in 
order to swap or translate multilanguage (same as on menu bar in 
Explorer or Mozilla). If you know please suggest me. Thank you very much.

Best Regard,
Supote Songthammawat


From johnmiller1950 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Mar 31 05:16:09 2006
From: johnmiller1950 at sbcglobal.net (John Miller)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 05:16:09 -0500
Subject: Menu Item Question
Message-ID: <0916BB60-EC76-41FC-A28D-1E221D9ABA35@sbcglobal.net>

Hello All,

Is there a way to designate a keyboard shortcut in the menubar that  
requires the user to use "shift-ctrl" or "shift-cmd"?

I'm not asking how to write a script to do this.  What I am  
interested in knowing is if you can get Revoltution to display the  
shortcut to the right of the menu item in the menubar.

Thanks for your help.

John Miller


From supote.songthammawat at gmail.com  Fri Mar 31 05:47:35 2006
From: supote.songthammawat at gmail.com (supote.songthammawat)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:47:35 +0700
Subject: How I can show image on stack by script and insert or update or
 delete or select image on stack into Database?
Message-ID: <442D08C7.2050705@gmail.com>

Hi everybody

       Why I can't to show image on stack by script? I want to know 
syntax  that use  to show image? In addition, how to insert or update or 
delete or select image on stack into Database(Sybase)? Please suggest 
me. Thank you very much.

Best Regard,
Supote Songthammawat


From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Mar 31 06:16:40 2006
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:16:40 +0100
Subject: Apple at 30 - My Piece of the Big Fruit
In-Reply-To: <442CF537.3060205@ehug.info>
References: <442CA2AE.9070107@fourthworld.com> <442CA90E.7090308@chipp.com>
	<442CF537.3060205@ehug.info>
Message-ID: <442D0F98.6070800@tweedly.net>

Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm woking on an ftp client for the Mac, exactly because the Finder 
> doesn't deal with FTP too well. I thought Windows users wouldn't have 
> much of an interest in a simple and easy-to-use yet feature-stuffed 
> and good-looking FTP client ;-) If there is a market for it, I'll 
> adjust the client to work on Windows machines as well. It's price tag 
> is expected to be equal to Interarchy's upgrade. Write me off-list for 
> more info.

Will it have any features that FileZilla doesn't already have ?
   ( http://filezilla.sourceforge.net/documentation/ )

If not, I'd have doubts about how big the market for Windows will be ...

-- 
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From mb.ur at harbourhost.co.uk  Fri Mar 31 06:20:39 2006
From: mb.ur at harbourhost.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:20:39 +0100
Subject: OT: Apple at 30 - My Piece of the Big Fruit
In-Reply-To: <4AB2FAAE-A60F-4838-876D-DC4382AE5C51@siphonophore.com>
References: <20060330212852.E9E33825369@mail.runrev.com>
	<4AB2FAAE-A60F-4838-876D-DC4382AE5C51@siphonophore.com>
Message-ID: <442D1087.60403@harbourhost.co.uk>

jeffrey reynolds wrote:
> 
> does anyone remember the Sinclair Z80? my first computer to own. 
> whopping 32mb or ram and a micro tape drive (audio dictation tape) for 
> its storage! what fun!
> 

Jeffrey, I wonder if maybe you mean the ZX81? - The ZX80 came with 
something like maybe 1K of ram as I recall, but the ZX81 had a wobbly 
16K ram extension that plugged into the back and took it to 32K. My 
electronics tutor wrote a car race arcade game on the ZX80 in machine 
code - it was actually good. But I never had one of those. I did have a 
ZX81 and subsequently several Spectrums.

> if anyone has a users manual for the sinclair z80 i would appreciate 
> talking with you, i lost mine a long while back and would love to poke 
> at it sometime!
> 

I actually do have the ZX81 Sinclair BASIC manual. If that is in fact 
what you need, what would you like to know? - Who me, sentimental?

I did trash the machine itself a while back though, since I no longer 
have a TV to plug it into.

Martin Baxter


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Fri Mar 31 06:20:00 2006
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:20:00 +0100
Subject: Projection Question
In-Reply-To: <F3D942A8-683D-472F-89B9-1B02D7B69448@sbcglobal.net>
References: <F3D942A8-683D-472F-89B9-1B02D7B69448@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <948D38CC-C9DB-4124-8E4E-37A257692948@azurevision.co.uk>

OK, multiple monitor basics:

Mirroring
In mirroring mode, what you see on the second monitor (in this case a  
projector) will be identical to what you see on your laptop. This is  
what most people use when plugging in a projector, in some cases  
becuase their hardware can't do anything else. In this mode there  
will be NO way to send anything different to the projector.

Extended Desktop (may be called something else on Windows)
This is not available on all computers, especially lower-end laptops.  
Instead of just duplicating what is on the laptop screen on to the  
second monitor, it is treated as extra space in addition to the  
laptop screen. Individual windows can simply be dragged across from  
one screen to the next,. The virtual position of the screens can be  
altered - side-by-side, one above the other (dragging a window off  
the bottom of screen A brings it onto the top of screen B) etc.

If the graphics card in your laptop supports this then you are in  
luck - simply have two (or more) stacks, with one positioned on the  
second monitor/projector, with what appears on it controlled from  
your 'control' stack that you keep back on the laptop screen. This is  
effectively the way that most better presentation apps work, such as  
PowerPoint or Keynote - controls/info on a screen that the audience  
can't see, the actual presentation on the projector.

Ian

On 31 Mar 2006, at 11:09, John Miller wrote:

> Ian,
>
> Thanks for taking time to respond.  I'm not sure I understand.  I  
> am using a laptop that only has one screen.  Is there a way to send  
> just a portion of the screen to the projector while continuing work  
> on the rest of the screen?
>
> Thanks,
> John
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From mark at maseurope.net  Fri Mar 31 06:28:23 2006
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:28:23 +0100
Subject: Question about text cgis
In-Reply-To: <C0517E91.36EA7%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C0517E91.36EA7%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FA761438-78CF-4FFE-918F-DA1416E1273E@maseurope.net>

Jim, apologies - when I tried this last night, I just kept getting  
errors, but this morning, it seems to work just fine.

Best,

Mark

On 30 Mar 2006, at 21:24, Jim Ault wrote:

> Try these steps :
>
> put "script01"&".txt" into FN
> put "c:/my documents/" into pathh
> set the script of this card to url ("file:" & pathh & FN)
>
> --or the script of button 22, etc.
>
> set the script of this card to ""
>
> --adding to the stack script would be
> get the script of this stack
> set the script of this stack to it & cr &  url ("file:" & pathh & FN)
>
> --more elaborate
> put the script of this card into origCdScript
> get url ("file:" & pathh & FN) & cr & origCdScript
> set the script of this card to it
> --call handler
> set the script of this card to origCdScript
>
> --alternative
> put " origCdScript"&".txt" into FN
> put "c:/my documents/" into pathh
> put the script of this card into url ("file:" & pathh & FN)
>
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
> On 3/30/06 12:25 PM, "jbv" <jbv.silences at club-internet.fr> wrote:
>
>> Hi list,
>>
>> I have a blank : I'm looking for a way to "include" external handlers
>> in a text-based cgi script and can't find a way to do that...
>> Here's what I mean : let's say I have a handler that performs a  
>> specific
>>
>> task ("on myTask") that I want to use in various cgi scripts. Of  
>> course
>> I can paste it in every script after the "on startup / end startup"
>> handler,
>> but it would be more convenient if it were an external file and to  
>> just
>> call it from each script, just like "#include" for libraries in C, or
>> "require_once" in php etc.
>>
>> I see how to do it with cgi stacks, but is there a way to do that  
>> with
>> text-based scripts ?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> JB
>>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Mar 31 07:03:27 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:03:27 +0200
Subject: How I can show image on stack by script and insert or update or
	delete or select image on stack into Database?
In-Reply-To: <442D08C7.2050705@gmail.com>
References: <442D08C7.2050705@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2077B4DD-A49B-4E5D-AB4F-D26442EABFCC@major-k.de>

Salaam Supote,

> Hi everybody
>
>       Why I can't to show image on stack by script?

maybe you didn't try hard enough? ,-)

> I want to know syntax  that use  to show image?

If you already have an image object in your stack:
1. reference an image:
...
set the filename of img "your image here" to "path/to/your/image/ 
here.jpg"
...

2. import an image file into your image:
...
put url("binfile:path/to/your/image/here.jpg") into img "your image  
here"
...

If you need to create a new an image object in your stack:
1. reference an image:
...
create img
set the filename of last img to "path/to/your/image/here.jpg"
...

2. import a new image file:
...
import paint from file "path/to/your/image/here.jpg"
...

This also creates a new image.

> In addition, how to insert or update or delete or select image on  
> stack into Database(Sybase)?
> Please suggest me. Thank you very much.

Sorry, i have little to no experience with databes.

> Best Regard,
> Supote Songthammawat

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From darkshadow1 at metrocast.net  Fri Mar 31 07:26:50 2006
From: darkshadow1 at metrocast.net (Preston Shea)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 07:26:50 -0500
Subject: Can't save as
Message-ID: <000801c654be$69e25d80$6401a8c0@toshibauser>

I keep two copies of the stack I'm working on and save frequently because I'm running 2.7 under Windows XP. From time to time the "Save as..." menu item stops working. Only re-start seems to fix the problem. Has anyone else experienced this undocumented feature?

From gilbert at isphlg.rimed.cu  Fri Mar 31 09:48:41 2006
From: gilbert at isphlg.rimed.cu (Gilberto Cuba)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:48:41 -0500
Subject: What happen with function screenloc() and screenrect()?
References: <C05089AE.38A98%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <009201c654d2$3e4f0830$1c037b98@p42600>

Ken Ray, thank you very much for your answer.

I using 2.6.1 version and now I know to bind with this detail, because many 
many people that work with me in the national project use the 2.6.1 version 
and the version 2.7 have the incompatibilities with older versions.

Best regards,

Gilberto Cuba

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Ray" <kray at sonsothunder.com>
To: "Use Revolution List" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: What happen with function screenloc() and screenrect()?


> On 3/29/06 1:19 PM, "Gilberto Cuba" <gilbert at isphlg.rimed.cu> wrote:
>
>> May any body tell me what I can to do? Because I tried to change the 
>> values
>> of windowBoundingRect and not work fine too.
>
> Are you using 2.7 or 2.6? The reason I ask is that in 2.6, your 
> application
> doesn't know whether the resolution is being resized while it is running,
> and so screenLoc(), etc. won't know about the new resolution unless you 
> quit
> your app and relaunch it. 2.7 includes the ability to know when the
> resolutoin has changed (it sends a "desktopChanged" message), but I'm not
> sure if it affects the screenLoc() function. But at least you can display 
> a
> message saying that the screen resolution has changed and you'll need to
> quit and relaunch the application.
>
> HTH,
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> 



From gilbert at isphlg.rimed.cu  Fri Mar 31 09:52:07 2006
From: gilbert at isphlg.rimed.cu (Gilberto Cuba)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:52:07 -0500
Subject: What happen with function screenloc() and screenrect()?
References: <001001c65365$ea30b220$1c037b98@p42600>
	<p06210272c0510a566528@[66.93.39.98]>
Message-ID: <009b01c654d2$c3fd98c0$1c037b98@p42600>

Jeanne DeVoto, thank you very much. 

You have a great idea, that maybe solve this problem for me. 
I think about this solution.

Best regards,

Gilberto Cuba

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeanne A. E. DeVoto" <revolution at jaedworks.com>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: What happen with function screenloc() and screenrect()?


> At 2:19 PM -0500 3/29/2006, Gilberto Cuba wrote:
>>I am found that functions screenloc() and screenrect() not work fine 
>>or I don't understanding the documentations.
>>Occur that I change the resolution when my application start and I 
>>tried to center the software with
>>
>>set the loc of this stack to screenloc()
>>
>>this not work fine. Why? I found that function screenloc() and 
>>screenrect() keep the values of the last resolution and not refresh 
>>with the new display resolution.
> 
> Yes, all of the screen functions behave like this (screenLoc, 
> screenRect, windowBoundingRect, colorMap, colorWorld, screenType). 
> They are set only when the application starts up, and they are not 
> updated if you change the settings. As it says in the docs for 
> screenRect: "The value returned by the screenRect function is updated 
> only when you start up the application. If you change the screen 
> settings after starting up the application, you must quit and restart 
> to update the screenRect."
> 
> The best way is probably to create your own function. If you are 
> setting the resolution, then you know what the new resolution is, and 
> you can place the new value in a global variable. Then use that 
> instead of the built-in screenLoc or screenRect.
> -- 
> jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
> http://www.jaedworks.com




From rcozens at pon.net  Fri Mar 31 11:13:46 2006
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 08:13:46 -0800
Subject: Image Contrast
In-Reply-To: <442C36F4.1000208@openpartnership.net>
References: <001001c65365$ea30b220$1c037b98@p42600>	<442ADF41.4010707@openpartnership.net>
	<3D169B2C-C011-11DA-8A46-0030657E1638@pon.net>
	<442C36F4.1000208@openpartnership.net>
Message-ID: <550C59FA-C0D1-11DA-95C4-0030657E1638@pon.net>


Hi David,

> Guess you could use a black background to darken the image - is there 
> any difference between this effect and adjusting the velocity of the 
> pixels?
>

Image manipulation is not my strong suit; so I can't answer that for 
you.

I was looking for a simple way to adjust contrast to help the viewer 
pick out detail.  My selection of 26% as an end value was based on my 
objective--you could set it to 100 and have the image disappear 
completely.

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From lynn at paradigmasoft.com  Fri Mar 31 11:36:45 2006
From: lynn at paradigmasoft.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 08:36:45 -0800
Subject: OT: Apple at 30 - My Piece of the Big Fruit
In-Reply-To: <14022319613.20060331000152@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <1068299431-271894312@lindbergh.macserve.net>

Hi Mark,

> > Ive been watching the nostalgia building over the last week for the 
> > Apple 30th anniversary (this Saturday on April 1) and 
> starting to feel 
> > a little nostalgic myself (digging out my much loved PowerCD). It 
> > wouldn't surprise
> 
> Thanks for an enjoyable read. I still haven't been able to 
> bring myself to throw away my OpenDoc dev cds... sigh...

I was really bummed by that, too. When Apple was first (quietly)
evangelizing it, we seriously considered moving a lot of NUD & C into parts.
I remember Nisus took the plunge. Because we were so entrenched on
supporting Palm we couldn't get it onto the schedule.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd




From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Fri Mar 31 11:40:19 2006
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 08:40:19 -0800
Subject: ODBC connection to MS SQL 2000 help needed
In-Reply-To: <320684642.20060330233437@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <20060331164026.D66F1FF4EB@spunkymail-a1.dreamhost.com>

> All that is true. I built a test harness for the database 
> functions and MySQL comes through fine. If you don't 
> absolutely *need* odbc functionality you might consider going 
> with MySQL or SQLite. Or Valentina (I had to beat Ruslan to 
> the draw here...). If you have real clients with existing 
> odbc databases then you're better off with some other frontend tool.

If you were to prioritize improvements to database access in Revolution,
what would you want?

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd





From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Fri Mar 31 13:20:49 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:20:49 -0800
Subject: ODBC connection to MS SQL 2000 help needed
In-Reply-To: <320684642.20060330233437@ahsoftware.net>
References: <20060331001959.NUN20875.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@[172.18.180.8]>
	<320684642.20060330233437@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <p06230939c05321f03573@[192.168.1.103]>

ODBC has always SUCKED, and still sucks the big one. It's like 
getting your data through a straw with a bunch of tape to plug the 
leaks.

Don't blame RunRev for that.

I'm writing a complex MySQL based project with Rev and Trevor's externals.
In a word - it rocks!

sqb
-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Mar 31 13:25:49 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:25:49 -0800
Subject: OT: Apple at 30 - My Piece of the Big Fruit
In-Reply-To: <442CE348.5000006@fourthworld.com>
References: <442CE348.5000006@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <873941447.20060331102549@ahsoftware.net>

Richard-

Friday, March 31, 2006, 12:07:36 AM, you wrote:

> OpenDoc evangelism

...is that another oxymoron?...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Fri Mar 31 13:34:56 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:34:56 -0800
Subject: ODBC connection to MS SQL 2000 help needed
In-Reply-To: <20060331164026.D66F1FF4EB@spunkymail-a1.dreamhost.com>
References: <20060331164026.D66F1FF4EB@spunkymail-a1.dreamhost.com>
Message-ID: <p0623093ac05325c51b70@[192.168.1.103]>

Incorporate Trevor's DB Library into RevDB.

I found working with RevDB incomprehensible. Nice to have the 
primitives there, but I as a designer am more interested in writing 
code for getting data in and out of a database, not having to keep 
track of the cursor.



>
>
>If you were to prioritize improvements to database access in Revolution,
>what would you want?
>
>Best regards,
>
>Lynn Fredricks

-- 
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -


From revolution at jaedworks.com  Fri Mar 31 14:06:34 2006
From: revolution at jaedworks.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 11:06:34 -0800
Subject: Menu Item Question
In-Reply-To: <0916BB60-EC76-41FC-A28D-1E221D9ABA35@sbcglobal.net>
References: <0916BB60-EC76-41FC-A28D-1E221D9ABA35@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <p0621027ec0532df2110d@[66.93.39.98]>

At 5:16 AM -0500 3/31/2006, John Miller wrote:
>Is there a way to designate a keyboard shortcut in the menubar that 
>requires the user to use "shift-ctrl" or "shift-cmd"?

The short answer is "no". (The request has been bugzilla'd - 
<http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=3147> - in 
case you want to add your vote.)
-- 
jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
http://www.jaedworks.com


From mfstuart at cox.net  Fri Mar 31 14:17:57 2006
From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:17:57 -0500
Subject: ODBC connection to MS SQL 2000 help needed
Message-ID: <20060331191757.MWUD17838.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@[172.18.180.8]>

Ahhh, you pose THE question for me to feast on :)

Lynn Fredricks wrote:
>If you were to prioritize improvements to database access >in Revolution, what would you want?

You mention improvements. I would first request that you apply fixes to all outstanding bugs related to the database libraries.
Next, build a new database library that interfaces directly to MS SQL 2000 and then the new version of MS SQL 2005.
Once I learn this wonderful development tool, 
I'd be happy to be a tester for this. 
With these new database libraries, I'm sure the company could sell a lot more licenses. 
And in the end (for the company), isn't that what it's all about? :)

Following that, I would like to open up discussions with you regarding an
improved development environment for database applications. 
This isn't the platform for this. And as I'm planning to attend the June conference,
maybe we can talk then?

Mark Stuart



From jeff at siphonophore.com  Fri Mar 31 14:25:33 2006
From: jeff at siphonophore.com (jeffrey reynolds)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:25:33 -0500
Subject: OT: Apple at 30 - My Piece of the Big Fruit
In-Reply-To: <20060331150943.C66C7825449@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20060331150943.C66C7825449@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <21ACCB66-142E-4BD1-894B-1249D8817286@siphonophore.com>

those dev cds are great! I always waited each month to see what  
clever title and cool graphics were going to be on them (as well as  
all the goodies they contained!). certainly more creative and  
entertaining than all the other tech cds i had on the shelf...

cheers,

Jeffrey Reynolds



On Mar 31, 2006, at 10:09 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

> Thanks for an enjoyable read. I still haven't been able to bring
> myself to throw away my OpenDoc dev cds... sigh...



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Mar 31 14:26:52 2006
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 11:26:52 -0800
Subject: ODBC connection to MS SQL 2000 help needed
In-Reply-To: <20060331164026.D66F1FF4EB@spunkymail-a1.dreamhost.com>
References: <20060331164026.D66F1FF4EB@spunkymail-a1.dreamhost.com>
Message-ID: <567604244.20060331112652@ahsoftware.net>

Lynn-

Friday, March 31, 2006, 8:40:19 AM, you wrote:

> If you were to prioritize improvements to database access in Revolution,
> what would you want?

<g> Well, it's hard to find fault with stephen's response, but also...
to put it in a nutshell, I think the functionality should match the
marketing spiel.

I think my number one priority would be to rewrite the external
libraries so that odbc databases aren't opened in forward-only mode
and don't issue a new read command for each record. That's an absolute
killer for recordset manipulation - I've tried reading a recordset
into an array to deal with things that way and had to kill the process
after half an hour of disk churning. It probably works for small
databases, but anything past 4 figures of recordsets is unworkable.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Fri Mar 31 14:47:45 2006
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:47:45 +0200
Subject: preOpenStack, openStack in Card 1?? Rules conformation.
Message-ID: <3f0a9cbb5480c3725001ef621802fc00@wanadoo.fr>

Hi Jim,

Thanks for coding up in a logical way something
I should have done myself, if I could have got my
head around it !. After absorbing your scripts and
playing around a little, I think I will end up finally
understanding message paths (after more than
10 years on HC) !

Best from Paris

-Francis

"Nothing should ever be done for the first time !'




From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Fri Mar 31 15:02:53 2006
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 22:02:53 +0200
Subject: preOpenStack, openStack in Card 1?? Rules conformation.
Message-ID: <295814f0fe4b7806ee2db57d4b73147e@wanadoo.fr>

Hi Jeanne,

This complements and clarifies Jims comments.

Thanks

".... and the Lord said - Let there be light -

.... and there was light !

.... and you could see for miles and miles !"

-Francis




From JimCarwardine at OwnYourFuture-net.com  Fri Mar 31 15:30:40 2006
From: JimCarwardine at OwnYourFuture-net.com (Jim Carwardine)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:30:40 -0400
Subject: OT: Apple at 30 - My Piece of the Big Fruit
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603302302250.17245-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <C05309B0.B957%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>

A friend and I were responsible for the introduction of Macs to Saudi
Arabia.  In about 1985, he came to me with this article on the Mac Plus and
said, hey look at this.  Want to get one?  We went to the local Apple dealer
- yes, there were Apple IIs in Saudi.  The dealer told he wouldn't order any
unless we could come up with an order for 60.  So we went around and found
60 people who would buy one - $3900 US as I recall - and we brought them in.

A year or so later, Apple came out with MacProject and I used it to create
and manage a disaster recovery system for Aramco (THE oil company) where we
were able to recover yesterday's production (all 7 terabytes of it) and
rerun all the reports within 26 hours of bringing the backup tapes on site.
It was so remarkable that our mainframe supplier - IBM - brought their IBM
Europe brass to Saudi to see us demo our system and they all sat in our
boardroom watching a Mac Plus do it's magic... Jim

 3/31/06 3:04 AM, Judy Perry wrote:

> Yeah, I'm remembering now that my $100 1 MB RAM upgrade probably didn't
> come through legit channels...  a friend of the spousal unit made it
> happen...
> 
> Judy
> 
> On Thu, 30 Mar 2006, jeffrey reynolds wrote:
> 
>> I remember getting my 2mb upgrade for my SE to go to 2.5mb in 1988.
>> it cost $350 through the berkeley education program (i was a grad
>> student then). it was right when there was that short, but big,
>> memory price spike (i think it was a fake shortage thing by some
>> overseas suppliers) and when the chips were delivered the street
>> price on them was up over $1000. as i walked out of the campus office
>> where i picked up the little package with the simms, there were
>> literally about a dozen professors in the hall outside trying to buy
>> simms off folks since they were very hard to get. I could have made a
>> fast $500-600 profit if i had been willing to part with them then
>> bought them a couple of months later for like $250. being the
>> lifetime propeller head i am i resisted. that was a month of grad
>> student pay!
> 
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From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Fri Mar 31 15:48:58 2006
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 23:48:58 +0300
Subject: ODBC connection to MS SQL 2000 help needed
In-Reply-To: <567604244.20060331112652@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <C053706A.50447%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 3/31/06 10:26 PM, "Mark Wieder" <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

>> If you were to prioritize improvements to database access in Revolution,
>> what would you want?
> 
> <g> Well, it's hard to find fault with stephen's response, but also...
> to put it in a nutshell, I think the functionality should match the
> marketing spiel.
 
> I think my number one priority would be to rewrite the external
> libraries so that odbc databases aren't opened in forward-only mode

Mark, I am not big expert of ODBC, but I remember that ODBC have few levels
of implementations. Some levels of ODBC do support only forward cursors.
This is issue of particular ODBC driver.

I agree that ODBC should die. :-)

My point of view is that it is not wise invest time into ODBC and new code
to support ODBC.

> and don't issue a new read command for each record. That's an absolute
> killer for recordset manipulation - I've tried reading a recordset
> into an array to deal with things that way and had to kill the process
> after half an hour of disk churning. It probably works for small
> databases, but anything past 4 figures of recordsets is unworkable.

If you need big database do not use ODBC access.

Big databases hard to manage even directly. So why you self setup huge
bottleneck in form of ODBC ?

Half of hour? May be you want do the same job in seconds? :-)

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
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From psahores at easynet.fr  Fri Mar 31 15:56:54 2006
From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 22:56:54 +0200
Subject: ODBC connection to MS SQL 2000 help needed
In-Reply-To: <p0623093ac05325c51b70@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <20060331164026.D66F1FF4EB@spunkymail-a1.dreamhost.com>
	<p0623093ac05325c51b70@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <C67927EF-4CF9-4800-912F-FA41CD928392@easynet.fr>

I would'nt say anything else Kevin and All. Thanks Stephen to let us  
know about your experience of Trevor's  DB lib ;-)

Best Regards,

> Incorporate Trevor's DB Library into RevDB.
>
> I found working with RevDB incomprehensible. Nice to have the  
> primitives there, but I as a designer am more interested in writing  
> code for getting data in and out of a database, not having to keep  
> track of the cursor.
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> If you were to prioritize improvements to database access in  
>> Revolution,
>> what would you want?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Lynn Fredricks
>
> -- 
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From katir at hindu.org  Fri Mar 31 16:16:25 2006
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 11:16:25 -1000
Subject: OT HELP! qMAIL-->Sendmail not working from Rev CGI's
Message-ID: <F732EBB4-B7EB-4F2F-B3DD-1CA42E6064A3@hindu.org>

We migrated our content to a new server and Rev is running well, very  
little reconfig, everything is working almost  perfectly, right out  
of the box.

but i cannot get Rev to open the mail process.

The box is running Fedora CORE 3 and managed by the PLESK control  
panel which uses qMail

Support sent me an email simply saying "The path is not /usr/sbin/ 
sendmail.. you need to use /var/qmail/bin/sendmail... see this perl  
script which runs fine."

#!/usr/bin/perl

#======================================================================#
#            EDIT THIS PART                                            #
#======================================================================#
$to="katir\@hindu.org";
$from="Tester\@vel.org";
$subject="Test Mail";
$body="Hi,
    this is a test .. please ignore..
    ";

#======================================================================#
#                     Do not Edit                                      #
#======================================================================#
print "Content-type: text/html\n\n";
open(MAIL, "|/var/qmail/bin/sendmail -t") || print "Unable to send  
mail: $!";
    print MAIL "To: $to\n";
    print MAIL "From: $from\n";
    print MAIL "Subject: $subject\n\n";
    print MAIL "$body \n\n";
    print MAIL "Thank You.\n";
close(MAIL);
print "<h2>Mail successfully sent..</h2><br>Thank you :)\n";

========
They were right.. it works.. I will get an email immediately  and are  
response  in the browser.


But a parallel script form Rev fails: this handler in CGIs fails to  
execute anything.

put  "/var/qmail/bin/sendmail -t" into mprocess
         open process mprocess for write
         write "From:" && (urlDecode (tDataIn["from"]))& cr to  
process mprocess
         write "To:" &&   "katir at hindu.org"  &  cr to process mprocess
         write "Subject:" &&   (urlDecode (tDataIn["subject"]))   &   
cr & cr to process mprocess
        write    (urlDecode (tDataIn["body"])) &  cr to process mprocess
        close process mprocess
        put the result into tResponse
--Put "Email was sent successfully." into tResponse
     put "Content-Type: text/html" & cr
     put "Content-Length:" && the length of tResponse & cr & cr
     put tResponse
end if

any clues on what is wrong? this same script works fine on another  
box,  the CGI is functional, CHMOD 775 is working I can send "dummy"  
output to stdOut and get it back.. so, its just the call and write to  
the mail process that is failing.

I'm in trouble.. hope to get this  working today. email me off list... 
( or on list if we want CGI stuff in the forum... could be useful for  
others?)

Thanks!

Sivakatirswmai



From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Fri Mar 31 16:34:04 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:34:04 -0800
Subject: OT: Apple at 30 - My Piece of the Big Fruit
In-Reply-To: <C05309B0.B957%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603302302250.17245-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<C05309B0.B957%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603311334g39779bcbu6a0c221da41a0408@mail.gmail.com>

As Lynn said as he started this thread, he imagined that I and other
long-time MacZealots might have some thoughts to share on this topic.

I decided my thoughts were too long (and perhaps too personal) to post in
this forum, but you can read them at my blog over at
http://www.danshafer.com/onemind/?q=node/64 if you're so inclined. I'd love
to read your comments there or here as well.

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From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Fri Mar 31 16:55:40 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:55:40 -0800
Subject: Making the move...
In-Reply-To: <A4AC4039-4028-4994-9D57-25271B395F3A@hindu.org>
References: <20060315180004.23F3082638F@mail.runrev.com>
	<441893AA.3070407@chipp.com>
	<31e1938c0603151459s4a8b4f16n24e508ae63758cd8@mail.gmail.com>
	<425B1B3B-FB08-4DA7-B091-588A7D615D2D@easynet.fr>
	<31e1938c0603151552m36f7c710h607cf982ea5200a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<70ed6b130603151705r462ad5fdn9133039773b87824@mail.gmail.com>
	<85D1490E-6A59-4337-BA53-713E12280DA0@hindu.org>
	<70ed6b130603251427g78b1a9fag9fa0acefbe481dcf@mail.gmail.com>
	<70ed6b130603271010p6919542ao38d2a8f874f688fa@mail.gmail.com>
	<A4AC4039-4028-4994-9D57-25271B395F3A@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603311355if207220qd09e5693617ea134@mail.gmail.com>

I agree. Useful discussion for things I'm thinking hard about these days as
I move away from Ruby on Rails and look for Rev-centric approaches to the
software projects I want to build.



On 3/28/06, Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org> wrote:

I mean if  the SSI <! include exec some rev.cgi.> returns data to the
HTML page instead of an HTML chunk, then you have the separation
between "views" and "data"  you describe, n'est pas? No?

In the simplistic case, this is probably true. Where it breaks down is where
we are retrieving data from a database (or for that matter from some other
form of persistent storage) on the server and we need to create tables of
dynamic data in the web page, for example. This requires the use of an
iterator that encloses HTML formatting something like this:

<% order_line.line_items.each do |li| %>
  <div class="olitem">
    <span class="olitemqty"><%= li.quantity %></span>
    <span class="olitemtitle"><%= li.product.title %></span>
  </div>
<% end %>

The coder (developer) builds this construct and the HTML designer creates
the definitions for the classes that define how s/he wants that kind of data
displayed. But it's the iterator (the each do operation) that makes this
possible. To make this happen with an SSI would, I think, be much more
complicated if in fact it could be implemented at all.

I think what I'm coming to is that an MVC framework, properly implemented,
creates as nearly as possible a complete severance between content and
presentation. CSS is one of the ways this is made even more efficient, but
it is really the MVC architecture that provides the necessary support.



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From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Fri Mar 31 16:56:51 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:56:51 -0800
Subject: Text Processing
In-Reply-To: <295ffc66fb01cb64ae2fd61d53d00653@verizon.net>
References: <20060328235344.BEC09825F60@mail.runrev.com>
	<295ffc66fb01cb64ae2fd61d53d00653@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603311356h4dec51fct1df5ecf333e89dc2@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/28/06, Dave Calkins 1 <davecs1 at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> I tried to email Tuviah, to find out the status of these elements, but
> the message was bounced back as undelivered. Is Tuviah still part of
> the Rev team?
>
> Not for quite some time, Dave.
>



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From wdesmet at wanadoo.nl  Fri Mar 31 17:06:33 2006
From: wdesmet at wanadoo.nl (William de Smet)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 00:06:33 +0200
Subject: How do I remotely change the selectedText of a button and then save
	it?
Message-ID: <b016f13e0603311406q309a621cw2d40c389c4368076@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there,

I have a btn "options" on card "test" of stack 'B' with 5 options from
1.1 to 1.5 .
On stack 'A' I have a 'check' button and I remotely try to change one
of the options and then save it. On the 'check' button I use:
on mouseUp
if field "score" = 5 then set the label of btn "options" of card
"test" of stack "B" to "1.2"
send mouseup to button "save" of card "test" of stack "B"
end mouseUp

On the 'save' button I use:
put the selectedtext of btn "options" into tData
put tData into field "options" of card "test" of stack A.

Of course the label is changed into "1.2" but field "options" of card
"test" of stack A is not and the options 1.1 to 1.5 are gone in btn
"options".
I am doing something wrong with the selected text and label in my code.
Can anyone help me please?

William de Smet


From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Fri Mar 31 17:06:34 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:06:34 -0800
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <1068382662-266900307@lindbergh.macserve.net>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603300016090.9078-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<1068382662-266900307@lindbergh.macserve.net>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603311406u587c9871j9e2438f989de1bd4@mail.gmail.com>

Maybe I'm just stubborn. (Naw, couldn't be!) :-)

But, dammit Lynn, I believe I'm not being too immodest when I say that I'm
the inventor of the term "inventive user" and that that gives me *some*
standing in defining it.

Chipp and I talked about this a bit on the phone earlier. My view is that if
you are a trained programmer (even if self-taught, you've studied
*programming*) and/or your *primary* job function is programming, then you
are a professional programmer. Anyone who hasn't been trained as a
programmer OR who programs only as a relatively small part of their job or
strictly as a hobby is what I call an Inventive User.

Chipp, by that standard, is a self-described Inventive User. So am I. So, I
think, is Jerry Daniels. I suspect Richard Gaskin falls into that category
as do all of the educational folks here and.... You get the idea. I think
the "sweet spot" for Rev *is* the Inventive User. in fact, I think very few
professional programmers will adopt Rev for a host of reasons I've gone into
before.

So while the Inventive User market may be a tad elusive and hard to define
precisely, I don't think that should relegate them to a "D) None of the
Above" category on your list. (BTW, you've never given us A through C!)

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From garrett at paraboliclogic.com  Fri Mar 31 17:21:17 2006
From: garrett at paraboliclogic.com (Garrett Hylltun)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:21:17 -0800
Subject: Change the order of stacks in Application Browser?
In-Reply-To: <442CD562.8050101@paraboliclogic.com>
References: <442CB7CA.2020806@fourthworld.com>
	<442CD562.8050101@paraboliclogic.com>
Message-ID: <442DAB5D.7000501@paraboliclogic.com>

Rev 2.6.1

Greetings,

Is it possible to change the order that stacks show up in the 
"Application Browser" of Rev Studio?

I have sheets and drawers and want to sort them so the drawers are 
listed first and then the sheets.

I just need some organization to the list, it helps me keep track of all 
the sub stacks I have.

Thanks,
-Garrett


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 31 17:24:33 2006
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:24:33 -0800
Subject: Insert into back script logic
Message-ID: <C052EC21.36F6A%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Hi, all,

I am asking this time since I don't have a moment to spare before Sat AM.

I want to implement a design change into a rather complex program that uses
one card in one stack.

The question:
Does the following
    insert the script of this card into back
 
mean that the card script at the card level will also be in the hierarchy
trapping messages as well as in the back, or

by inserting it into the back, this becomes its one-and-only position?

If there is a send "sumptin" to card 1, does this trigger twice?

More importantly, if I do the following:


insert the script of this card into back
get the script of this card
set the script of this card to "-"&"-New header installed" & cr & it

are there now two versions of the script or just the newest.

I hope the answer is that the 'back' insert command means that the script
container is simply positioned in a different order, like a routing table,
not 'copied'

One temporary solution I will try is to make a blank card 2 and do the
following

go card 2
insert the script of this card into back
go card 1
--therefore card 2 is not in the path, but I do want to consider changing
the card script from a distribution ftp server on-the-fly.

Thanks for saving me the time on a crunch Friday!

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Fri Mar 31 17:28:40 2006
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:28:40 -0800
Subject: screen flicker after a CR is typed - v2.7.1-dp-1
In-Reply-To: <F732EBB4-B7EB-4F2F-B3DD-1CA42E6064A3@hindu.org>
References: <F732EBB4-B7EB-4F2F-B3DD-1CA42E6064A3@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <p06230941c0534de983cf@[192.168.1.103]>

I just started to notice this... there is an inordinate amount of 
screen flicker after a CR is typed that I didn't see before in fields 
in Rev. This is compared to a field in TextEdit. It gets worse if the 
field is enlarged.

This is especially noticeable if there is something dark behind the 
field. It appears that during the refresh it reveals a layer below 
for a split second. Is this new or tolerated?

Runtime Revolution:	 v2.7.1-dp-1
Environment:	development
Platform:	MacOS
License Type:	Enterprise
Build #	213
MacOS	10.4.5

-- 
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s a n  f r a n c i s c o
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From jerry at daniels-mara.com  Fri Mar 31 17:31:06 2006
From: jerry at daniels-mara.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:31:06 -0600
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603311406u587c9871j9e2438f989de1bd4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603300016090.9078-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<1068382662-266900307@lindbergh.macserve.net>
	<70ed6b130603311406u587c9871j9e2438f989de1bd4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8C470663-6B17-4F7E-B1E0-5BA4DDCE5DBA@daniels-mara.com>

Dan,

I wish I was an inventive user. It sounds fun. But I do this for a  
living and was trained--initially by a small Chinese woman from  
Southern Illinois University with a very high voice and a love of  
punch cards--in 1968.

I use Revolution because I like it and can make a living at it.

Best,

Jerry Daniels

Buy Constellation from Runtime Revolution!
http://revstudio.runrev.com/section/revselect/constellation/



On Mar 31, 2006, at 4:06 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:

> Chipp, by that standard, is a self-described Inventive User. So am  
> I. So, I
> think, is Jerry Daniels. I suspect Richard Gaskin falls into that  
> category
> as do all of the educational folks here and.... You get the idea. I  
> think
> the "sweet spot" for Rev *is* the Inventive User. in fact, I think  
> very few
> professional programmers will adopt Rev for a host of reasons I've  
> gone into
> before.



From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Mar 31 17:56:41 2006
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 00:56:41 +0200
Subject: How do I remotely change the selectedText of a button and then
	save it?
In-Reply-To: <b016f13e0603311406q309a621cw2d40c389c4368076@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b016f13e0603311406q309a621cw2d40c389c4368076@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1943A3EA-F7DF-4F54-A9E7-AC0B96386283@major-k.de>

HI William,

> Hi there,
>
> I have a btn "options" on card "test" of stack 'B' with 5 options from
> 1.1 to 1.5 .
> On stack 'A' I have a 'check' button and I remotely try to change one
> of the options and then save it. On the 'check' button I use:
> on mouseUp
> if field "score" = 5 then set the label of btn "options" of card
> "test" of stack "B" to "1.2"
> send mouseup to button "save" of card "test" of stack "B"
> end mouseUp
>
> On the 'save' button I use:

Try this:

##put the selectedtext of btn "options" into tData
put the label of btn "options" into tData

> put tData into field "options" of card "test" of stack A.
>
> Of course the label is changed into "1.2" but field "options" of card
> "test" of stack A is not and the options 1.1 to 1.5 are gone in btn
> "options".
> I am doing something wrong with the selected text and label in my  
> code.
> Can anyone help me please?

I guess there is no currently selected text in that button, so the label
(which is "the selectedtext" of that button acutually) might do the  
trick.

Maybe not  ;-)

> William de Smet

Groetjes

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Fri Mar 31 18:19:36 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:19:36 -0800
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <8C470663-6B17-4F7E-B1E0-5BA4DDCE5DBA@daniels-mara.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0603300016090.9078-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<1068382662-266900307@lindbergh.macserve.net>
	<70ed6b130603311406u587c9871j9e2438f989de1bd4@mail.gmail.com>
	<8C470663-6B17-4F7E-B1E0-5BA4DDCE5DBA@daniels-mara.com>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603311519k562ced9ahc747e7a5d7eefaad@mail.gmail.com>

Then I stand corrected. And it's nice to know that there are some trained
professional programmers out there in RevolutionLand!


On 3/31/06, Jerry Daniels <jerry at daniels-mara.com> wrote:
>
> Dan,
>
> I wish I was an inventive user. It sounds fun. But I do this for a
> living and was trained--initially by a small Chinese woman from
> Southern Illinois University with a very high voice and a love of
> punch cards--in 1968.
>
> I use Revolution because I like it and can make a living at it.
>
> Best,
>
> Jerry Daniels
>
> Buy Constellation from Runtime Revolution!
> http://revstudio.runrev.com/section/revselect/constellation/
>
>
>
> On Mar 31, 2006, at 4:06 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:
>
> > Chipp, by that standard, is a self-described Inventive User. So am
> > I. So, I
> > think, is Jerry Daniels. I suspect Richard Gaskin falls into that
> > category
> > as do all of the educational folks here and.... You get the idea. I
> > think
> > the "sweet spot" for Rev *is* the Inventive User. in fact, I think
> > very few
> > professional programmers will adopt Rev for a host of reasons I've
> > gone into
> > before.
>
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From revolutionary.dan at gmail.com  Fri Mar 31 18:23:29 2006
From: revolutionary.dan at gmail.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:23:29 -0800
Subject: screen flicker after a CR is typed - v2.7.1-dp-1
In-Reply-To: <p06230941c0534de983cf@192.168.1.103>
References: <F732EBB4-B7EB-4F2F-B3DD-1CA42E6064A3@hindu.org>
	<p06230941c0534de983cf@192.168.1.103>
Message-ID: <70ed6b130603311523o54ea5698o39e9e9e88b23e23e@mail.gmail.com>

Stephen....

While I am not yet using 2.7, I do have 2.7-rc2 here and I just ran it up
and tested this. No prob. Since your 2.7 is at the very first release, my
guess is that this problem, if it ever existed, is fixed.


On 3/31/06, Stephen Barncard <stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com> wrote:
>
> I just started to notice this... there is an inordinate amount of
> screen flicker after a CR is typed that I didn't see before in fields
> in Rev. This is compared to a field in TextEdit. It gets worse if the
> field is enlarged.
>
> This is especially noticeable if there is something dark behind the
> field. It appears that during the refresh it reveals a layer below
> for a split second. Is this new or tolerated?
>
> Runtime Revolution:      v2.7.1-dp-1
> Environment:    development
> Platform:       MacOS
> License Type:   Enterprise
> Build # 213
> MacOS   10.4.5
>
> --
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From liamlambert at mac.com  Fri Mar 31 18:24:20 2006
From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 00:24:20 +0100
Subject: login
Message-ID: <B782236D-62A6-4FC5-8B63-86375DDD1AD7@mac.com>

I was wondering what is the best way to go about building a login for  
an app
or is there an example out there I could have a look at.
thanks
Liam Lambert
liamlambert at mac.com
IRELAND




From jspencer78 at mac.com  Fri Mar 31 18:59:40 2006
From: jspencer78 at mac.com (James Spencer)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:59:40 -0600
Subject: Can't pass array function result as parameter
In-Reply-To: <442CB3C0.2050409@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <68002FCC-CA13-4A74-AC43-14915AADF13F@mac.com>
	<6AC4282A-DC3F-424A-86E9-2C1943EEB1F3@dsl.pipex.com>
	<07B8E120-0560-4E21-9693-499E9AB9DEAE@mac.com>
	<442CB3C0.2050409@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <289B1298-9A39-42CC-B3CA-F923C1AA0481@mac.com>


On Mar 30, 2006, at 10:44 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> James Spencer wrote:
>
>> My problem is that while the debugger shows tArray in my mouseUp   
>> handler to be valid and shows it to have been correctly modified,   
>> when I step into the library code for LibUseDifferentArray, it  
>> shows  pArray as empty and the processing fails.  In order to get  
>> it to work  I have had to copy tArray to a new array, element by  
>> element:
>
> Here's an old discussion that may help:
>
> <http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/metacard/2003-June/005126.html>
>
> Basically, sometimes you can pass an array and sometimes you can't.

Thanks Jacque.  This helped and I believe it has to be describing the  
source of my problem although I haven't completely worked out the  
semantics for my particular case.  Bottom line, it is not a bug per  
se but an artifact of how variables work.  (What I will be playing  
with this weekend is why the "sometimes you can pass an array"  
doesn't seem to include

put functionThatReturnsAnArray(tNonArrayParameter) into tArray
put tArray into tAnotherArray
handlerThatExpectsAnArray tAnotherArray

although in all fairness, this may just be me being sloppy in how I  
tried variations on a theme.

Spence

James P. Spencer
Rochester, MN

jspencer78 at mac.com

"Badges??  We don't need no stinkin badges!"



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Mar 31 21:23:50 2006
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 12:23:50 +1000
Subject: Insert into back script logic
In-Reply-To: <C052EC21.36F6A%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C052EC21.36F6A%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860603311823t7355d69qd9399c4ba215495@mail.gmail.com>

> I am asking this time since I don't have a moment to spare before Sat AM.
>
> I want to implement a design change into a rather complex program that uses
> one card in one stack.
>
> The question:
> Does the following
>     insert the script of this card into back
>
> mean that the card script at the card level will also be in the hierarchy
> trapping messages as well as in the back, or
>
> by inserting it into the back, this becomes its one-and-only position?
>
> If there is a send "sumptin" to card 1, does this trigger twice?

Hi Jim,

I don't know for sure, but I would be worried that your card handlers
might be triggered twice. I would recommend putting them into a
separate button and inserting the button's script into back. That way
you can be sure it is only in the hierarchy once.

Cheers,
Sarah


From lynn at paradigmasoft.com  Fri Mar 31 21:34:47 2006
From: lynn at paradigmasoft.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:34:47 -0800
Subject: Rev Media and the product line gap
In-Reply-To: <70ed6b130603311406u587c9871j9e2438f989de1bd4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1068263548-274047155@lindbergh.macserve.net>

> Maybe I'm just stubborn. (Naw, couldn't be!) :-)
> 
> But, dammit Lynn, I believe I'm not being too immodest when I 
> say that I'm the inventor of the term "inventive user" and 
> that that gives me *some* standing in defining it.

Its okay if we have one inventive user, but invective users have to go :-)

> Chipp and I talked about this a bit on the phone earlier. My 
> view is that if you are a trained programmer (even if 
> self-taught, you've studied
> *programming*) and/or your *primary* job function is 
> programming, then you are a professional programmer. Anyone 
> who hasn't been trained as a programmer OR who programs only 
> as a relatively small part of their job or strictly as a 
> hobby is what I call an Inventive User

Sure - but still too broad -

1. Professional programmer (subclassifications for trained, non-trained, or
primary purpose of being a programmer)
2. Inventive user
3. Unwashed masses of the earth

> Chipp, by that standard, is a self-described Inventive User. 
> So am I. So, I think, is Jerry Daniels. I suspect Richard 
> Gaskin falls into that category as do all of the educational 
> folks here and.... You get the idea. I think the "sweet spot" 
> for Rev *is* the Inventive User. in fact, I think very few 
> professional programmers will adopt Rev for a host of reasons 
> I've gone into before.
> 
> So while the Inventive User market may be a tad elusive and 
> hard to define precisely, I don't think that should relegate 
> them to a "D) None of the Above" category on your list. (BTW, 
> you've never given us A through C!)

Almost infinite varieties there - what is really important is to really
understand the target customer, and then create the product that target
customers want to buy.

Some kaiju-class software companies go into extreme detail to understand who
they are selling to - to the point that it's a character study, or a few
nearly related character studies. Some go to the point that its almost --
creepy. But if you get to the point where you are creating sack puppets like
on the Fandango commercials, well, that's close enough :-)

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Mar 31 21:59:21 2006
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:59:21 -0600
Subject: Can't pass array function result as parameter
In-Reply-To: <289B1298-9A39-42CC-B3CA-F923C1AA0481@mac.com>
References: <68002FCC-CA13-4A74-AC43-14915AADF13F@mac.com>	<6AC4282A-DC3F-424A-86E9-2C1943EEB1F3@dsl.pipex.com>	<07B8E120-0560-4E21-9693-499E9AB9DEAE@mac.com>	<442CB3C0.2050409@hyperactivesw.com>
	<289B1298-9A39-42CC-B3CA-F923C1AA0481@mac.com>
Message-ID: <442DEC89.5060005@hyperactivesw.com>

James Spencer wrote:

>> Basically, sometimes you can pass an array and sometimes you can't.
> 
> Thanks Jacque.  This helped and I believe it has to be describing the 
> source of my problem although I haven't completely worked out the 
> semantics for my particular case.  Bottom line, it is not a bug per se 
> but an artifact of how variables work.  (What I will be playing with 
> this weekend is why the "sometimes you can pass an array" doesn't seem 
> to include
> 
> put functionThatReturnsAnArray(tNonArrayParameter) into tArray
> put tArray into tAnotherArray
> handlerThatExpectsAnArray tAnotherArray
> 
> although in all fairness, this may just be me being sloppy in how I 
> tried variations on a theme.

If all else fails, you can always declare a local script variable to 
hold the array and then just use that. No passing of anything required. 
Or you could try passing the variable by reference (add an @ sign in 
front of the parameter) which seems like it should work but I haven't 
tried it.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Mar 31 22:54:39 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:54:39 -0800
Subject: Insert into back script logic
Message-ID: <442DF97F.3040403@fourthworld.com>

Jim Ault wrote:

> The question:
> Does the following
>     insert the script of this card into back
>  
> mean that the card script at the card level will also be in the hierarchy
> trapping messages as well as in the back, or
> by inserting it into the back, this becomes its one-and-only position?

It should be both. I believe insertions do not alter any other part of 
the message path.

The beauty of backScripts is that you can use any object -- why use the 
current card?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From jspencer78 at mac.com  Fri Mar 31 23:01:34 2006
From: jspencer78 at mac.com (James Spencer)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 22:01:34 -0600
Subject: Can't pass array function result as parameter
In-Reply-To: <442DEC89.5060005@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <68002FCC-CA13-4A74-AC43-14915AADF13F@mac.com>
	<6AC4282A-DC3F-424A-86E9-2C1943EEB1F3@dsl.pipex.com>
	<07B8E120-0560-4E21-9693-499E9AB9DEAE@mac.com>
	<442CB3C0.2050409@hyperactivesw.com>
	<289B1298-9A39-42CC-B3CA-F923C1AA0481@mac.com>
	<442DEC89.5060005@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <597E8879-F277-4093-9544-AAF990FB036B@mac.com>


On Mar 31, 2006, at 8:59 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> If all else fails, you can always declare a local script variable  
> to hold the array and then just use that. No passing of anything  
> required. Or you could try passing the variable by reference (add  
> an @ sign in front of the parameter) which seems like it should  
> work but I haven't tried it.

I think both would probably work but the issue at the moment is that  
I did not write the library that is creating the original array and  
that eventually expects me to pass an array back.  The author had no  
reason to know that the output from their function creating the array  
would be passed back to the other handler as there is no necessary  
connection between the two and I don't want to mess with the library  
code myself mostly because I'm being pedantic.

What definitely works is to copy the array myself, element by  
element, to a local variable and then pass that back to the library.   
This works fine in this limited situation because the number of  
entries in these "arrays" (I hate the name; in this context, they are  
really a dictionary or a hash) is limited and is predetermined so  
doing the extra copying works fine.

Spence

James P. Spencer
Rochester, MN

jspencer78 at mac.com

"Badges??  We don't need no stinkin badges!"



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Mar 31 23:25:11 2006
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:25:11 -0800
Subject: login
Message-ID: <442E00A7.501@fourthworld.com>

liamlambert wrote from the beautiful nation of Ireland:

> I was wondering what is the best way to go about building a login for  
> an app or is there an example out there I could have a look at.

Can you tell us a bit more about what you're looking for?

One of the common trouble spots in my early days was letting clients get 
away with thinking "login screen" was a simple task because it only 
takes two words to describe it. ;)

Login screens come in many flavors, for many purposes, with widely 
varying levels of integration with other systems.

What would you like this window to do?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From eptya at bigpond.com  Sun Mar 26 13:02:36 2006
From: eptya at bigpond.com (n/a)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 5:02:36 +1100
Subject: Help re: flushevents, system window and kill
Message-ID: <4259161.1143396156618.JavaMail.root@web02sl>

Hi,

I am fairly new to revolution and need some help to ensure an application loaded via the shell is always the top window, even if the user clicks on another window.  I have searched the list and looked through the rev docs but can't find a solution which will work on all platforms.  

The specific issue is....

I have an application which acts as a main menu (containing buttons) to load other applications I have made with rev.  When I click on a button an application is loaded via the shell function and the do command.  Howver, the application that is being loaded takes a couple of seconds to load.  If I click on the main menu window (application) while the other application is loading the new application window will load behind the menu.  The menu and the other applications do not have a title bar or controls.

Is there a way to work around this?

I have tried putting flushevents("mousedown") as well as mouseup,  system and activate in the handler.  I have also tried to set the menu's systemwindow property to false if the user clicks on it while a linked application is loading.  I tried to set the linked application's systemwindow to true once it is loaded - the application comes to the front for a split second then disappears behind the menu.  I have tried to use the click command to activate the new application as soon as it is loaded.  Last, I have tried to use the kill command (when the menu is closed) to close the applications I know may have been loaded but are sitting behind the menu's window.  Can the kill command really close an application if the process image name is known?  I have tried to use all of the above with the launch command as well.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Christina Lipscomb


From liamlambert at mac.com  Fri Mar 24 14:31:20 2006
From: liamlambert at mac.com (liamlambert)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:31:20 +0000
Subject: upDate data
Message-ID: <4F071B28-E46E-4C08-9D50-D3DB5366EA60@mac.com>

What I want to do is to change Column ticket to where BookingId =  
tbookingID and change Column ticket to NO
what I am getting is changing column ticket to where column ticket = NO

Liam
On Mar 24, 2006, at 11:47 AM, liamlambert wrote:

 >  This works code works fine but if I want to use a variable  in
 > stead of 8
 > can I do this I could not find any reference to it any where
 > or is there an other way of up dating a column
 >
 >
 > global gConID
 >     put fld "bookingid" into tbooking
 > put "UPDATE Booking SET ticket = 'no' WHERE BookingId = 8 "  into
 > tSQLbooking
 >    --> EXECUTE SQL
 >    put revdb_execute(gConID,tSQLbooking)

Liam,

Do you mean that if you use:

global gConID
      put fld "bookingid" into tbooking
put "UPDATE Booking SET ticket = 'no' WHERE BookingId = '" & tBooking
& "'"  into
tSQLbooking
     --> EXECUTE SQL
     put revdb_execute(gConID,tSQLbooking)

it doesn't work? I've used this approach lots of times successfully.
What error message do you get back?

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

Liam Lambert
liamlambert at mac.com
IRELAND




From bobs at twft.com  Sat Mar 25 19:41:55 2006
From: bobs at twft.com (Robert Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 16:41:55 -0800
Subject: Variable typing
Message-ID: <2F3988C0-B95A-4C08-B4BB-AD152DC0ACA7@twft.com>

For those interested, I have written a function which will return as  
a single character the type of variable you pass it, or else "U" for  
undefined if it doesn't exist. Why you ask? Because sometimes you  
want to know if a variable has yet to be defined, and if so what the  
value is. This is particularly important with modular applications.  
And it's nice to be able to do it by calling a function to check. The  
big deal for me is that the app I am porting uses this technique to  
determine if a module has been initialized yet. Sure I could figure  
another way to do it, but my approach is to convert the source with  
minimal trauma. I will optimize it later.

The problem is, Revolution script is soooo friendly with variable  
typing that just passing an undefined variable name as an arguement  
to a function will simply pass the variable name as a literal to the  
parameter of the called function, so within the function, no matter  
what, the value of the parameter will be something. It would be nice  
if Revolution did not do that, but I understand they need to be  
compatible with prior xCard solutions.

Once inside the function, variableNames and globalNames knows nothing  
of a local variable in the calling handler. And there is no way to  
distinguish if the parameter passed is the value of an existing  
variable, or the literal name of the variable I thought I was passing  
it. Revolution is simply being too friendly. Passing the variable as  
a reference doesn't help either. The parameter is still resolved to  
the value of the passed variable regardless, (which begs the question  
"what's the difference?") In short, there is no way for a called  
function to tell if a variable belonging to the scope of the calling  
script exists or not, and what it is. Until now.

The trick is to pass the variable AND the name of the variable as  
another variable:

on mouseUp
   put "novar" into somevar --a variable containing the name of the  
variable
   put theType(novar, somevar) into myType
end mouseUp

At this point, assuming the variable novar has not been defined  
anywhere, the following function will return "U".

function thetype @mVar, mvarName
   local mtype
   --Assume undefined until proven otherwise
   put "U" into mtype

   --see if it is a number
   if mvar is a number then
     put "N" into mtype
     return mtype
   end if

   -- Let's try logical
   if mvar is a boolean then
     put "L" into mtype
     return mtype
   end if

   -- How about a date?
   if mvar is a date then
     put "D" into mtype
     return mtype
   end if

   -- If mvar and mvarName are the same, the variable was undefined
   -- in the calling program, becase Revolution will assume you meant
   -- to pass a literal value as an arguement
   if mvar is not mvarname then
     put "C" into mvar
     return mvar
   end if

   return mtype
end thetype

So this is a 2 liner way to mimic the type() function in Foxpro. It's  
not perfect but it will save me a lot of coding.


Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM



From eptya at bigpond.com  Wed Mar 29 00:23:54 2006
From: eptya at bigpond.com (n/a)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 16:23:54 +1100
Subject: Help re: Flushevents, systemwindow and kill
Message-ID: <11133250.1143609834754.JavaMail.root@web01sl>

Hi, 
 
I am fairly new to revolution and need some help to ensure an application loaded via 
the shell is always the top window, even if the user clicks on another window.  I have 
searched the list and looked through the rev docs but can't find a solution which will 
work on all platforms.  
 
The specific issue is.... 
 
I have an application which acts as a main menu (containing buttons) to load other 
applications I have made with rev.  When I click on a button an application is loaded 
via the shell function and the do command.  Howver, the application that is being 
loaded takes a couple of seconds to load.  If I click on the main menu window 
(application) while the other application is loading the new application window will 
load behind the menu.  The menu and the other applications do not have a title bar or 
controls. 
 
Is there a way to work around this? 
 
I have tried putting flushevents("mousedown") as well as mouseup,  system and activate 
in the handler.  I have also tried to set the menu's systemwindow property to false if 
the user clicks on it while a linked application is loading.  I tried to set the linked 
application's systemwindow to true once it is loaded - the application comes to the 
front for a split second then disappears behind the menu.  I have tried to use the 
click command to activate the new application as soon as it is loaded.  Last, I have 
tried to use the kill command (when the menu is closed) to close the applications I 
know may have been loaded but are sitting behind the menu's window.  Can the kill 
command really close an application if the process image name is known?  I have tried 
to use all of the above with the launch command as well. 
 
Any help would be greatly appreciated. 
 
Thanks, 
 
Christina Lipscomb 


From EricMColvin at telus.net  Wed Mar 29 20:12:00 2006
From: EricMColvin at telus.net (Eric Colvin)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 02:12:00 +0100
Subject: Revolution is very slow to refresh fields.  How can I speed it up?
Message-ID: <C050EEF0.2174A%EricMColvin@telus.net>

I?ve just started playing with Revolution ? having been a passionate
enthusiast for Hypercard in a previous life.

One thing I?ve hit upon early on that annoys me a little.  Though Revolution
is far newer, and loads into memory rather than writing to disk, it is still
way slower at certain things ? such as refreshing text fields ? than
Hypercard ever was.

I wrote the following counting routine (as a speed test to measure the
difference between writing to a variable and writing to a field).  However,
what I learned was that ? on my computer, at any rate ? Revolution only
refreshes its text fields slightly more than once a second. When I run the
same script on Hypercard, the counting field whirs through changes faster
than a gas pump - with every new number registered on screen.  Revolution
only shows me about one figure in every twenty five or so ? despite the fact
that the routine tells the field to display every consecutive number from 1
to 300.

Just add this script to a locked text field, and click on it, to see what
I?m talking about:

on mouseup
  -- COUNT TO 300
  put the ticks into startTime
  repeat with i = 1 to 300
    put 1 + line 1 of me into line 1 of me
  end repeat
  put the ticks - starttime into stopTime1
  put stopTime1 into word 1 of line 3 of me
  put the ticks into startTime
  put me into testVar
  
  -- NOW JUST SHOW MULTIPLES OF TEN
  repeat with i = 1 to 300
    put 1 + line 2 of testVar into line 2 of testVar
    if i mod 10 = 0 then put line 2 of testVar into line 2 of me
  end repeat
  put line 2 of testVar into line 2 of me
  put the ticks - startTime into stopTime2
  put stopTime1 & " : " & stopTime2 into line 3 of me
end mouseup

Is there any way I can persuade the field to refresh more frequently and
count like the gas pump?

Thanks,



Eric Colvin


From mstuart at adaptcrm.com  Fri Mar 24 15:45:03 2006
From: mstuart at adaptcrm.com (Mark Stuart)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:45:03 -0800
Subject: How to implement MS Outlook 2003 style menubar buttons
Message-ID: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC19F488F@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>

Hi all,

 

Just recently got serious (:-)) about Revolution - upgraded from
Dreamcard to Studio 2.7 for Windows.

And now I want to produce an application using the MS Outlook 2003 style
menu bar buttons.

If you have MS Outlook 2003, take a look at the menu bar buttons, a
great effect when hovering and pressing on the button.

 

I would like to produce the same in Rev Studio. Anyone know how to do
this? I've played around with the buttons, and got part of the way
there, but nothing like the MS Outlook affect.

 

Thanx,

 

Mark Stuart



From troy at rpsystems.net  Tue Mar 28 13:15:45 2006
From: troy at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 13:15:45 -0500
Subject: Applescript?
Message-ID: <63DCD954-AC71-4AEE-ABDE-E815CD432543@rpsystems.net>

I have an older application which relies on getting returns to  
Applescript via telling Revolution to "do script", this app used to  
work fine in 2.6.1 and earlier, but fails silently in 2.7.x

My Applescript tool (Late Night Software's "Script Debugger X")  
claims that Revolution is not scriptable, where it used to show  
support for "do script"... any ideas?

--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net




From supote.songthammawat at netgalileo.com  Thu Mar 30 04:23:51 2006
From: supote.songthammawat at netgalileo.com (supote songthammawat)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:23:51 +0700
Subject: How to use Character Encoding
Message-ID: <442BA3A7.7000301@netgalileo.com>

Help me, please
        I want to know how to use Character Encoding in Runrev V. 2.5.1 
(same as no menu bar in Explorer or Mozilla). If you know please suggest 
me. Thank you very much.

Best Regard,
Supote Songthammawat


From supote.songthammawat at netgalileo.com  Thu Mar 30 04:27:10 2006
From: supote.songthammawat at netgalileo.com (supote songthammawat)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:27:10 +0700
Subject: How to use Character Encoding in Runrev V. 2.5.1 (same as no menu
 bar in Explorer or Mozilla)
Message-ID: <442BA46E.4000403@netgalileo.com>

Help me, please
       I want to know how to use Character Encoding in Runrev V. 2.5.1 
(same as no menu bar in Explorer or Mozilla). If you know please suggest 
me. Thank you very much.

Best Regard,
Supote Songthammawat


From mstuart at adaptcrm.com  Thu Mar 30 19:18:07 2006
From: mstuart at adaptcrm.com (Mark Stuart)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:18:07 -0800
Subject: ODBC connection to MS SQL 2000 help needed
Message-ID: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC19F4911@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>

Hi Mark,

 

I voted on this bug using RevZilla. 

BTW: how many times can one vote on a bug? 

The option in RevZilla allows me to vote as many times as I want - with
the count option. :-)

 

Well, after reading the bug Description, I'm getting a little
disappointed with Rev Studio 

for database access. I'm loving the rest of the features, but these are
serious flaws in the product

from a company that markets their software as a RAD database development
tool.

 

Here's a snippet from the following RunRev web site that drew me to
finally buy the product:

http://revstudio.runrev.com/you_can_make.php#enterprise

 

>From the 3rd paragraph of the 4th section titled "Rapid prototyping &
database GUIs":

 

"With full support for databases, including access to open source
databases such as MySQL, 

you can build a custom database solution for your business in minutes. 

Access the database using our point and click tools. Add more complex
functionality or 

get right down to the SQL itself. Add any level of client functionality,


making your solution perform like a true application."



From supote.songthammawat at netgalileo.com  Fri Mar 31 04:55:44 2006
From: supote.songthammawat at netgalileo.com (supote songthammawat)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:55:44 +0700
Subject: How to use Character Encoding in Runrev V. 2.5.1 (same as no menu
 bar in Explorer or Mozilla)
Message-ID: <442CFCA0.30701@netgalileo.com>

Help me, please
      I want to know how to use Character Encoding in Runrev V. 2.5.1 
(same as no menu bar in Explorer or Mozilla). If you know please suggest 
me. Thank you very much.

Best Regard,
Supote Songthammawat