From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul  1 02:39:40 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 08:39:40 +0200
Subject: resume rev backdrop on top bug? 
In-Reply-To: <1120088159.42c3305f0783d@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
References: <1120088159.42c3305f0783d@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <2D96ADDF-69D3-4F83-9B71-57C5B96D7083@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Marielle and Sivakatirswami,

Well known...
Entered as a bug by Klaus on 2001! Assigned to Tuviah Snyder.
Noted as major :-) and I am the only one who voted for...
In fact, as Rev is used by many educators who often need to "contain"  
their students, this feature might appear to be more important than  
in other dev environments. These developers should vote for this  
bug... or:

Last year I needed *absolutely* a backdrop for a very large app  
dedicated to seniors in order to let them wrapped in a cocoon  
especially designed for them...
I ended by creating the backdrop by myself with a simple modeless  
stack :-)
But it was not perfect: a little flash at mousedown with slow  
machines...

Le 30 juin 05 ? 01:35, Marielle Lange a ?crit :

> Same here. Has been like that since 2.5... is still the case in  
> 2.6. I don't use
> the backdrop much (for this reason), but any time I use it, that's  
> exactly the
> behaviour you describe (need to use the window menu as all stacks  
> are *behind*
> the backdrop after when going back and forth from another application.


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul  1 02:48:23 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 08:48:23 +0200
Subject: Using libSMTP to send an e-mail
In-Reply-To: <20050701014258.C80E9824967@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050701014258.C80E9824967@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <02B1D962-3122-4EFA-8651-6C75E75E3966@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Tim,

http://dark.unitz.ca/~shaosean/pages/development.htm

Le 1 juil. 05 ? 03:45, <tim at leaf25.com> <tim at leaf25.com> a ?crit :

> I'm trying to get to grips with using Shao Sean's libSMTP to send  
> an e-mail.
> I've so far had limited success, in that I can send a message, but  
> all of
> the TO,FROM,SUBJECT information is empty. Furthermore, the e-mails  
> I have been
> sending must look dodgy because my ISP keeps blocking my account  
> after I use
> libSMTP to send something!
>
> I've been reading that there's
> another library by Shao Sean to format the mail (libMail?), but I  
> can't find
> it to download anywhere.
>
> So, I guess I'm wondering...
>
> 1. Can I get the libMail library? If so, where? And if not....
> 2. How do I format the data I send using libSMTP so that e-mail  
> clients will
> understand it?

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From ludovic.thebault at laposte.net  Fri Jul  1 02:58:06 2005
From: ludovic.thebault at laposte.net (Ludovic THEBAULT)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 08:58:06 +0200
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_=5F=5BFrench=5D=5FUn=5Fsite=5Fd=E9di=E9=5F?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?=E0=5FR=E9volution?=
In-Reply-To: <42C47E27.7000609@fourthworld.com>
References: <1gyzmmh.1kgfnk21wxcioxM%mcdomi@free.fr>
	<8C477E63-B193-4A77-806B-24908071566F@easynet.fr>
	<42C47E27.7000609@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <573339F0-BD00-4E01-A225-588D22DB7373@laposte.net>


Le 1 juil. 05 ? 01:20, Richard Gaskin a ?crit :

> I see no harm in making lists specifically for other languages,  
> other than the overhead of maintaining them.
>
> In the meantime, there are already Japanese and German discussion  
> boards for Rev, included in the Links page at revJournal:
> <http://www.revjournal.com/links/index.html>
>
> If you start a French list/discussion board I'll happily add it to  
> that page.

The french list exists, but there is only one message by month !
here :   http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/revolutionfr/

We need more participants ! :)

From tim at leaf25.com  Fri Jul  1 03:02:23 2005
From: tim at leaf25.com (Timothy Due)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 16:02:23 +0900
Subject: Using libSMTP to send an e-mail
References: <20050701014258.C80E9824967@mail.runrev.com>
	<02B1D962-3122-4EFA-8651-6C75E75E3966@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c57e0a$d55705b0$0301000a@TIM1>

Thanks a lot Eric!

Tim.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Eric Chatonet 
  To: tim at leaf25.com ; How to use Revolution 
  Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 3:48 PM
  Subject: Re: Using libSMTP to send an e-mail


  Hi Tim,


  http://dark.unitz.ca/~shaosean/pages/development.htm


  Le 1 juil. 05 ? 03:45, <tim at leaf25.com> <tim at leaf25.com> a ?crit :


    I'm trying to get to grips with using Shao Sean's libSMTP to send an e-mail.

    I've so far had limited success, in that I can send a message, but all of 

    the TO,FROM,SUBJECT information is empty. Furthermore, the e-mails I have been

    sending must look dodgy because my ISP keeps blocking my account after I use

    libSMTP to send something!




    I've been reading that there's 

    another library by Shao Sean to format the mail (libMail?), but I can't find 

    it to download anywhere.




    So, I guess I'm wondering...




    1. Can I get the libMail library? If so, where? And if not....

    2. How do I format the data I send using libSMTP so that e-mail clients will 

    understand it?



  Best Regards from Paris,


  Eric Chatonet.
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From mcdomi at free.fr  Fri Jul  1 03:57:40 2005
From: mcdomi at free.fr (Dom)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:57:40 +0200
Subject: [FR] [EN] Re: =?iso-8859-1?q?=5F=5BFrench=5D=5FUn=5Fsite=5Fd=E9di?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?=E9=5F=E0=5FR=E9volution?=
In-Reply-To: <573339F0-BD00-4E01-A225-588D22DB7373@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <1gz0lq6.led0y81s1ns6cM%mcdomi@free.fr>

Ludovic THEBAULT <ludovic.thebault at laposte.net> wrote:

> > If you start a French list/discussion board I'll happily add it to
> > that page.
> 
> The french list exists, but there is only one message by month !
> here :   http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/revolutionfr/

elle serait plus "visible" si elle ?tait heberg?e par Revolution et non
pas Yahoo!...
the french-speaking list will be more visible if hosted by Revolution,
not yahoo!

la liste actuelle est le fruit d'une initiative individuelle (pas moi)
this list originated from a one person action (not me)

le cr?ateur de la liste a ensuite transmis les droits d'administration ?
plusieurs personnes (dont moi)
the list owner transmitted the administration rights to several persons
(i was one of these persons)

il y a effectivement des bouff?es d'activit? ;-)
une fois ou deux j'ai transmis des infos recueillies ici (par exemple
une annonce de so smart software ;-))
there are buffs of activity ;-)
in one or twice occasions I transmitted infos found on this list (for
intance one announce from so smart software ;-))

-- 
Revolutionario (not so much)



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Fri Jul  1 04:12:13 2005
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:12:13 +0200
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_=5BFR=5D_=5BEN=5D_Re=3A_=5F=5BFrench=5D=5FU?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?n=5Fsite=5Fd=E9di=E9=5F=E0=5FR=E9volution?=
In-Reply-To: <1gz0lq6.led0y81s1ns6cM%mcdomi@free.fr>
References: <1gz0lq6.led0y81s1ns6cM%mcdomi@free.fr>
Message-ID: <6f23a532653758730af74915b6d3ba59@skynet.be>

Hi,

I'm a french revolution user (not a professionnal programmer), just an 
hobby (coming from Hypercard).

My english is bad, I have to do all my best so that my questions are 
understood.

I've asked many questions on the list in english language.

Everybody who answered me was very kind with my bad english, tried to 
well understand what I mean and NOBODY has made any least malicious 
remark concerning the bad use of the language.

So I feel good with this list where I can find professionnal answers to 
my (newbie) questions.

I'm afraid if we choose to go onto another list, we should loose some 
qualtiy in the answers.

My two cents...


Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From psahores at easynet.fr  Fri Jul  1 04:12:47 2005
From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:12:47 +0200
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_=5BFrench=5D_Un_site_d=E9di=E9_=E0_R=E9volu?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?tion_=28Yhann=29?=
In-Reply-To: <1120086019.42c32803e3e0e@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
References: <1120086019.42c32803e3e0e@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <C4DB91FE-F83B-4C3F-800E-8E2E0108E231@easynet.fr>

Hello Marielle,

I'm always reading all what you are posting to the lists with great  
interest and this post is surely one of the best resumes Yhann could  
get about Rev. I'm (as always !) to busy to take time to initiate a  
french spoken Rev dedicated site but if Yhann or others are going  
head in this way, i will be happy to contribute. if i beetwin, i get  
time to write something in French about the Rev/XTalk world, i will  
be happy to send copies to you and to Richard for a best availability  
of a Rev starting point for french documentation. Hope to get some  
time to go head with a Rev "n-tier" model-view-controller tutorial  
this summer.

Kind Regards,

Pierre Sahores

Le 30 juin 05 ? 01:00, Marielle Lange a ?crit :

> Cher Yhann,
>
> Francophone :-)... Mais vivant depuis longtemps en pays  
> anglophones, pardonnez
> les fautes d'orthographe.
>
> Je comprends sans probl?me que le fait que tout soit en anglais  
> soit un
> probl?me. Programmez en xTalk et comprendre un manuel en anglais  
> sont deux
> choses compl?tement diff?rentes (combien de lecteurs anglais sont  
> capables de
> lire un manuel en allemand... bien peu je suppose).
>
> J'ai cr?? un site pour supporter les enseignants... Vous le  
> trouverez ?
> <http://revolution.lexicall.org/wiki/>, avec liens vers une  
> gallerie de stacks
> et palettes.
>
> Le site pr?sente presque exclusivement du mat?riel en anglais. J'ai  
> annonc?
> pr?c?demment sur cette liste que c'est avec grand plaisir que je  
> cr?erai dans
> ce wiki un espace francophone o? fran?ais, canadiens, belges et  
> autres auraient
> l'opportunit? de s'exprimer dans leur langue maternelle. On m'a  
> timidement
> r?pondu que ce n'?tait pas n?cessaire.
>
> Je vous invite donc ?galement ? cr?eer un site francophone. Si vous  
> n'avez pas
> d'acc?s facile ? un serveur, sachez qu'il me serait tr?s facile de  
> cr?er un
> espace sur mon propre site, avec un statut d'administrateur vous  
> ?tant alou?
> pour votre section (wiki, forum, upload, image gallery, et bien  
> d'autres
> options). Je ne peux pas promettre, cependent, d'apporter une  
> contribution
> importante ? votre initiative, en terme de contenu. Comme je vis en  
> pays
> anglophone, travaille dans un milieu anglophone, et interagis au  
> niveau
> professionnel avec des personnes qui toutes parlent anglais, j'ai  
> tendance ?
> contribuer en anglais uniquement (pour moi r?volution est un hobby,  
> pas une
> source de revenu).
>
>
>> Question subsidiaire : je suis actuellement d?veloppeur sous  
>> Director. Je
>> souhaite me lancer dans un autre soft, car il se trouve que  
>> l'avenir de
>> Director est incertain. Mais je ne connais pas l'?diteur de  
>> R?volution : ?
>> votre avis, est-il solide, ou risque t-il d'abandonner ce  
>> logiciel ? Quelle
>> est la p?rennit? des applications d?velopp?es sous R?volution ?
>>
>
> Difficile ? dire. Le produit est fantastique... l'?quipe de  
> d?velopment est
> apparemment solide... de nombreux articles sont r?cemment apparus dans
> diff?rents magazines, avec des commentaires apolog?tiques sur le  
> logiciel.
>
> Mais question marketing ce n'est pas clair. Ils ont repris metacard  
> en 2002, ?
> cette date, ils avaient un produit fantastique, avec un meilleur  
> potentiel que
> bien des produits concurrents, mais ils n'ont pas vraiment r?ussi ?  
> se faire
> conna?tre. Le probl?me semble ?tre que les gens responsables du  
> marketing ont
> un conflit d'int?r?t (ils ont un triple statut: financier / employ?  
> RR /
> consultants et d?velopeur... mais on ne peut pas trop les en bl?mer  
> car, je
> pense que c'est gr?ce ? l'argent qu'ils gagnent en qualit? de  
> consultant qu'ils
> peuvent continuer ? supporter le d?veloppement de R?volution).
>
> Dans la communaut? d'?ducateurs, je sais que de nombreuses  
> personnes (moi
> incluse) ont propos? de donn? un coup de main mais sans aucun  
> r?sultat. D'un
> autre c?t?, le march? grandissant pourrait enfin leur donner les  
> moyens
> financiers d'assurer un marketing/support (tutoriels, etc.) d?cent.  
> M?me si rr
> venait ? dispara?tre, il y a de forte chance que xTalk, lui, ne  
> dispara?tra
> jamais. L'?volution actuelle est vraiment vers des languages de la 4e
> g?n?ration, tels que xTalk.
>
> Personellement, je donne priorit? ? des projects qui facilitent  
> l'import/export
> vers des formats standards. Si par malheur cette pr?diction  
> s'av?rait erron?e,
> au pire, je garderai la possibilit? d'exporter mes programmes en  
> format XUL+XBL
> pour transf?rer mes applications dans l'environnement mozilla  
> (projet sur lequel
> je travaille pour le moment).
>
> M?me si revolution venait ? dispara?tre dans 5 ans, votre  
> productivit? aura
> doubl? sinon tripl? au cours de ces 5 ann?es... le march? est pour  
> l'instant
> sur les web-applications et les web-services... et revolution vous  
> laisse
> d?velopper de telles applications en qqes heures plut?t que qqes  
> semaines.
>
> Marielle
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From psahores at easynet.fr  Fri Jul  1 04:16:55 2005
From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:16:55 +0200
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_=5F=5BFrench=5D=5FUn=5Fsite=5Fd=E9di=E9=5F?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?=E0=5FR=E9volution?=
In-Reply-To: <42C47E27.7000609@fourthworld.com>
References: <1gyzmmh.1kgfnk21wxcioxM%mcdomi@free.fr>
	<8C477E63-B193-4A77-806B-24908071566F@easynet.fr>
	<42C47E27.7000609@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <1FF0D063-AB30-4BBC-B00D-7FD5056747C8@easynet.fr>

Hello Richard,

Thanks for your friendly proposal. See the Marielle's post comment i  
send you in cc. Will be happy to send you "french spoken material" as  
soon as i will get time to begin with this.

Kind Regards from Nemours,


> Pierre Sahores wrote:
>
>> I have been for years speaking on the "native lists" and always  
>> got  the best from our friendly exchanges (J'ai ?t? depuis des  
>> ann?es un  fervant des listes anglaises et ai toujours eu ? m'en  
>> r?jouir).
>> On the other hand, we are never going to promote the use of Rev  
>> in  direction of the "conservative froggies" if we don't set-up  
>> (the not- to-lasy froggies) a real active french list (why not,  
>> Kevin, Ro ?)  officially hosted by Runtime Revolution on its  
>> corporate site, just  along the others lists.
>>
>
> I see no harm in making lists specifically for other languages,  
> other than the overhead of maintaining them.
>
> In the meantime, there are already Japanese and German discussion  
> boards for Rev, included in the Links page at revJournal:
> <http://www.revjournal.com/links/index.html>
>
> If you start a French list/discussion board I'll happily add it to  
> that page.
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal
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From rev at armbase.com  Fri Jul  1 04:56:34 2005
From: rev at armbase.com (rev at armbase.com)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 09:56:34 +0100
Subject: highlight a button in standalone+.rev app
Message-ID: <1120208194.42c505423d749@webmail.armbase.com>


Hi All

I have a stanalone that clones a stack (in the standalone). The user injects
buttons into it with predetermined function.

Now the number of buttons and windows is getting larger as the functions are
increased.

I'd like to have just one button injector and a system to customise the function
of the button. What I envisage is a drop down list that enters a script into the
button. Is it possible (from an standalone) to highlight the button in the
cloned stack with something like a right click(just like
in the rev IDE), then a prefernces window (which I'll create) pops up with a
popup button with the fnuctions.

Then when I click on OK it enters the script into the highlighted button.

EG click on "OK" and it does something ,like this.

On mouseup
insert on mouseup & cr & dothisaction & cr & end mouseup into the highlighted
button of the last stack open
end mopuseup

I know the scrip is not right but I just wondered how to highlight the button
and in a stack of unknown name. If the unknown name stack is a problem, then
there may be a simple fix by declaring a global gStackToEdit and having the
name of the stack put into gStackToEdit. But is there a simpleer way.

Any hint to send me in the right direction would be appreciated and I can go
hunting and learning.

All the best
Bob



From warren at howsoft.com  Fri Jul  1 05:20:55 2005
From: warren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 06:20:55 -0300
Subject: Suggestion for correcting the IDE's script editor 
Message-ID: <002401c57e1f$078e2810$0201a8c0@john>

Can we go back to where it all started?

Although I made contact with Rev some time ago, I have only taken it more
seriously recently. This is not so much because I didn't think it was worth
taking seriously as the fact that finally, Microsoft have made it abundantly
clear that do do not intend to review their decision to kill off Visual
Basic. I have used VB exclusively for a number of years.

For those of you who don't know the story, let me tell it quickly. A bit
more than 2 years ago, Microsoft launched VB.NET which was radically
different to the previous VB. To me, it was not "Basic" at all. VB
previously was user-centric and approximated the English language. In
contrast, the .NET version was machine/system oriented and no longer
approximated English. On top of that, it was much more complicated. Just to
give you an example, whereas before you could put "Hello World" on the
screen in a window by simply writing "Print 'Hello World'", in .NET you
needed half a page of formal declarations just to put it on the console! I
very quickly decided that .NET was not for me, but like many others I hoped
that VB6 would be reprieved. Nobody really believed that Microsoft would
actually go ahead with abandoning VB6 since it would be an incredibly
irresponsible thing to do. They did.

Just to let you know how it feels, let me mimic the situation as though it
were Revolution.

You are a lover of X-Talk. The kind of philosophy behind it is just what you
always wanted and needed. You build your profession around it, set up your
business, raise your family on the income you make from it, and have great
hopes for the future of Revolution. And then you suddenly get an e-mail
saying that Runtime Revolution is pleased to announce their launching of
"Rev.NUT" which bears very little resemblance to the obsolete Transcript
language that you have been using. None of the programs you have ever
written will work in .NUT, and although an automatic converter utility will
be provided, Runtime Revolution will make absolutely sure that it does not
work at all, even for the simplest programs. Like it or lump it.

So there you are, suddenly and unexpectedly a refugee. You never ever
thought of yourself as a refugee, least of all in the field of programming.
You have that lovely feeling of anomaly, like being stranded in the middle
of the ocean and not belonging anywhere any more.

OK. Back to me again. I have found RunRev. It possess all the
characteristics of the programming values I hold dear. But certainly its IDE
is strange to say the least. I don't learn anything easily, and I sometimes
get confused and make mistakes. Like anyone else in a learning situation, I
suffer from blindspots until my genetic programming is ready for me to have
the "aha" experience and I discover what should have been obvious. However,
such personal difficulties have an advantage. Because I suffer in order to
learn, I understand in my skin the problems of any beginner, and that's why
I have been a teacher all my life and why for quite a number of years I was
responsible for computer training. I don't think I was too bad at it.
However, the advantage back then was that when I was preparing training, if
I found myself in a situation where what I needed to teach did not make much
sense, I had the power to consult with management and the thing got changed.
Nobody expected me to teach a psychological mess.

Being a teacher has made me interested in psychology, and one hard lesson
that I have learned is that ALL ideas are valuable, even wrong ones. That
is, of course, if you want to value them. If not, you can throw them away,
as many people do. To me, this is a terrible waste. I much prefer to engage
in a creative process than to engage in symmetrical battles as a result of
my mono-perception of a situation which in reality has multiple aspects. I
was perfectly happy with what came out of my suggestion for correcting the
IDE's script editor because I learned a lot and because it revealed some
weaknesses in the setup as it stands. First of all, it never occurred to me
that the TAB key could be used for anything else than indenting a single
line. In retrospect of course, I was suffering from typical learner's
blindness since I could have found the information about it tucked away in
a corner of the Help and in the Preferences. But it was only half way
through the discussion that there was something very significant that I had
missed. Nevertheless, I don't think that this detracts from the points that
I made. Anyone not born and bred with X-Talk would be likely to fall into
the same trap.

So here is the synthesis of my suggestion for correcting the IDE's script
editor. It presumes that programming and design norms are to be taken into
account, and that likely pitfalls of newcomers are to be avoided as much as
possible.

1. Existing bugs should be removed. The very fact that a newcomer cannot
easily see the difference between a feature and a bug shows that there is
something wrong somewhere. Bugs confuse everybody and everything.

As Mark suggested in his e-mail to us all by suggesting that "it is not
unreasonable to give users the choice":

2. Leave the existing auto-formatting facilities entirely alone.
BUT
3. When the auto-formatting is turned off, it means what it says. This means
that changes to existing text can be made in the manner of a normal text
editor. TAB creates a single indentation in a single line.

In addition, perhaps the switch for turning auto-formatting on and off could
be put in a more convenient place Also, descriptions of auto-formatting and
the (non-standard) use of the TAB key could be more prominently displayed in
the Help.

Now, if we can discuss this on the List and arrive at some kind of consensus
about it, then perhaps we would earn sufficient respect on the part of the
management to get something implemented.

Finally, I would like to apologise for the rather confused nature of my
explanation. On top of my status as a refugee, I am extremely upset at the
conflict my suggestion seems to have stimulated. Perhaps one reason for this
is that to have new ideas, one must necessarily be provocative, and this is
easily misinterpreted by those who are motivated to do so. I am seeking to
deflate the situation by returning to the scene of the crime and re-tracing
my steps. But only you are able to tell me whether I have succeeded or
failed.

Bob








From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul  1 05:55:05 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 11:55:05 +0200
Subject: Suggestion for correcting the IDE's script editor 
In-Reply-To: <002401c57e1f$078e2810$0201a8c0@john>
References: <002401c57e1f$078e2810$0201a8c0@john>
Message-ID: <2EB6B7FA-434D-4C67-B7E7-072DC136DA61@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Bob,

As usual with Rev docs, it's somewhere but you are rarely able to  
find it...
I'm finishing a plugin that finds the following when you enter  
"indent" as a search keyword:
Might be useful ;-)

 From the Docs FAQs:
How do I pretty print a script?
Pretty printing is the use of indenting to show the structure of a  
handler. When pretty printed, the contents of control structures  
(such as if/then/else conditionals and repeat loops) are indented.  
Nested control structures are indented more, to show the level of  
nesting.
The Revolution script editor automatically pretty-prints the current  
handler when you place the insertion point somewhere in the handler  
and press Return or Tab. You can also choose Script menu Format to  
pretty print the current handler.
To turn off automatic pretty printing, choose Edit menu Preferences,  
then uncheck the box labeled "Auto-indent to show structure" in the  
"Script Editor" pane.

Le 1 juil. 05 ? 11:20, Bob Warren a ?crit :

> In addition, perhaps the switch for turning auto-formatting on and  
> off could
> be put in a more convenient place Also, descriptions of auto- 
> formatting and
> the (non-standard) use of the TAB key could be more prominently  
> displayed in
> the Help.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jul  1 06:21:17 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 03:21:17 -0700
Subject: highlight a button in standalone+.rev app
In-Reply-To: <1120208194.42c505423d749@webmail.armbase.com>
References: <1120208194.42c505423d749@webmail.armbase.com>
Message-ID: <42C5191D.6010306@fourthworld.com>

rev at armbase.com wrote:
> I'd like to have just one button injector and a system to customise the function
> of the button. What I envisage is a drop down list that enters a script into the
> button.

Have you considered using a custom property instead?

For example, one way to assign behaviors to objects is the define the 
behavior in a frontScript, triggered by the actions you want to respond 
to.  A custom property in the target determines whether the custom 
behavior is invoked, or the message is simply passed.

For your buttons:

   set the uAction of btn 1 to "AutoBehavior"


In your frontScript:

   on mouseUp
     if the uAction of the target = "AutoBehavior" then
         DoAutoBehavior --< your stuff here
     else pass mouseUp
   end mouseUp


If you want different actions you can add lots of options without making 
it unreadable with a switch block rather than nested IFs:

   on mouseUp
      switch the uAction of the target
      case "AutoBehavior"
         DoAutoBehavior
         break
      --
      case "AnotherBehavior"
         DoAnotherBehavior
         break
      --
      default
        pass mouseUp
      end switch
   end mouseUp




As for the name of an unknown stack, usually topStack() will return what 
you need. Here are the notes from the Transcript Dictionary entry for 
the topStack function:

   In most applications, the active window holds the current
   document, and menu commands operate on the active window.
   In Revolution, because of the ability to open stacks in
   various modes, this is not necessarily the case.

   Each open window has a mode associated with it. The
   topStack is the frontmost stack with the lowest mode.

   For example, an editable window has a mode of 1, and a
   palette has a mode of 4. If several palettes and editable
   windows are open, the topStack is the frontmost editable
   stack, although palettes may be in front of it. If all
   the editable windows are then closed, the frontmost
   palette becomes the topStack, since there is now no
   window with a lower mode.



--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From rev at armbase.com  Fri Jul  1 06:35:28 2005
From: rev at armbase.com (rev at armbase.com)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 11:35:28 +0100
Subject: highlight a button in standalone+.rev app
In-Reply-To: <42C5191D.6010306@fourthworld.com>
References: <1120208194.42c505423d749@webmail.armbase.com>
	<42C5191D.6010306@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <1120214128.42c51c70b1ea6@webmail.armbase.com>

Quoting Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>:

Hi Richard

> rev at armbase.com wrote:
> > I'd like to have just one button injector and a system to customise the
> function
> > of the button. What I envisage is a drop down list that enters a script
> into the
> > button.
>
> Have you considered using a custom property instead?

I hadn't really considered this for one really stupid reason. I have not got a
clue how custom properties work. I struggled for ages with TAB's and then
EUREKA!!!!! :-) I cried. I got it and felt so stupid because it was so easy.

I read a lot about custom properties but I don't know of any simple examples.
>
> For example, one way to assign behaviors to objects is the define the
> behavior in a frontScript, triggered by the actions you want to respond
> to.  A custom property in the target determines whether the custom
> behavior is invoked, or the message is simply passed.
>
> For your buttons:
>
>    set the uAction of btn 1 to "AutoBehavior"
>
>
> In your frontScript:
>
>    on mouseUp
>      if the uAction of the target = "AutoBehavior" then
>          DoAutoBehavior --< your stuff here
>      else pass mouseUp
>    end mouseUp
>
>
> If you want different actions you can add lots of options without making
> it unreadable with a switch block rather than nested IFs:
>
>    on mouseUp
>       switch the uAction of the target
>       case "AutoBehavior"
>          DoAutoBehavior
>          break
>       --
>       case "AnotherBehavior"
>          DoAnotherBehavior
>          break
>       --
>       default
>         pass mouseUp
>       end switch
>    end mouseUp
>

OK I'll readup on this.
>
>
>
> As for the name of an unknown stack, usually topStack() will return what
> you need. Here are the notes from the Transcript Dictionary entry for
> the topStack function:
>
>    In most applications, the active window holds the current
>    document, and menu commands operate on the active window.
>    In Revolution, because of the ability to open stacks in
>    various modes, this is not necessarily the case.
>
>    Each open window has a mode associated with it. The
>    topStack is the frontmost stack with the lowest mode.
>
>    For example, an editable window has a mode of 1, and a
>    palette has a mode of 4. If several palettes and editable
>    windows are open, the topStack is the frontmost editable
>    stack, although palettes may be in front of it. If all
>    the editable windows are then closed, the frontmost
>    palette becomes the topStack, since there is now no
>    window with a lower mode.

Ohhhh This is very interesting.

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. I think I'll have a lot of fun
with this.

PS sent a private mail re:revjournal.

Regards
Bob



From jbondy at sover.net  Fri Jul  1 06:55:57 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 06:55:57 -0400
Subject: [FR] [EN] Re: =?iso-8859-1?q?=5F=5BFrench=5D=5FUn=5Fsite=5Fd?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?=E9di=E9=5F=E0=5FR=E9volution?=
In-Reply-To: <6f23a532653758730af74915b6d3ba59@skynet.be>
References: <1gz0lq6.led0y81s1ns6cM%mcdomi@free.fr>
	<6f23a532653758730af74915b6d3ba59@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <42C5213D.4040307@sover.net>

Yves:

Your English is perfect!  No wonder nobody has made any negative remarks!

:)

Jon


Yves COPPE wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm a french revolution user (not a professionnal programmer), just an 
> hobby (coming from Hypercard).
>
> My english is bad, I have to do all my best so that my questions are 
> understood.
>
> I've asked many questions on the list in english language.
>
> Everybody who answered me was very kind with my bad english, tried to 
> well understand what I mean and NOBODY has made any least malicious 
> remark concerning the bad use of the language.
>
> So I feel good with this list where I can find professionnal answers 
> to my (newbie) questions.
>
> I'm afraid if we choose to go onto another list, we should loose some 
> qualtiy in the answers.
>
> My two cents...
>
>
> Greetings.
>
> Yves COPPE
> yvescoppe at skynet.be
>
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From jbondy at sover.net  Fri Jul  1 07:01:57 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 07:01:57 -0400
Subject: Suggestion for correcting the IDE's script editor
In-Reply-To: <2EB6B7FA-434D-4C67-B7E7-072DC136DA61@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <002401c57e1f$078e2810$0201a8c0@john>
	<2EB6B7FA-434D-4C67-B7E7-072DC136DA61@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <42C522A5.9000008@sover.net>

"The Revolution script editor automatically pretty-prints the current  
handler when you place the insertion point somewhere in the handler  and 
press Return or Tab."

I agree that <tab> works in this way, but I use <return> all of the 
time, and the formatting is often incorrect.  Am I missing something, or 
is the above sentence either partly or entirely wrong (as regards <return>).

Jon


Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi Bob,
>
> As usual with Rev docs, it's somewhere but you are rarely able to  
> find it...
> I'm finishing a plugin that finds the following when you enter  
> "indent" as a search keyword:
> Might be useful ;-)
>
> From the Docs FAQs:
> How do I pretty print a script?
> Pretty printing is the use of indenting to show the structure of a  
> handler. When pretty printed, the contents of control structures  
> (such as if/then/else conditionals and repeat loops) are indented.  
> Nested control structures are indented more, to show the level of  
> nesting.
> The Revolution script editor automatically pretty-prints the current  
> handler when you place the insertion point somewhere in the handler  
> and press Return or Tab. You can also choose Script menu Format to  
> pretty print the current handler.
> To turn off automatic pretty printing, choose Edit menu Preferences,  
> then uncheck the box labeled "Auto-indent to show structure" in the  
> "Script Editor" pane.
>
> Le 1 juil. 05 ? 11:20, Bob Warren a ?crit :
>
>> In addition, perhaps the switch for turning auto-formatting on and  
>> off could
>> be put in a more convenient place Also, descriptions of auto- 
>> formatting and
>> the (non-standard) use of the TAB key could be more prominently  
>> displayed in
>> the Help.
>
>
> Best Regards from Paris,
>
> Eric Chatonet.
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From yoursignup at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  1 07:51:17 2005
From: yoursignup at yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 01:51:17 -1000
Subject: resume rev backdrop on top bug? 
In-Reply-To: <2D96ADDF-69D3-4F83-9B71-57C5B96D7083@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEDBHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>

I'm not sure if what's being talked about here is the same thing, but if in
the IDE, if you turn backdrop on (not even sure where in Edit -> Preferences
I did that), it covers everything, even the taskbar and the only way to get
to any other program or your desktop is to minimize Rev. Is this the
"feature" being talked about? If it is, I find it extremely annoying and
would vote to be able to size the background, like ever other program out
there (in the PC world anyway). So, what's the number to vote for?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of Eric
Chatonet
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 8:40 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Cc: Revolution in Education
Subject: Re: resume rev backdrop on top bug?


Hi Marielle and Sivakatirswami,

Well known...
Entered as a bug by Klaus on 2001! Assigned to Tuviah Snyder.
Noted as major :-) and I am the only one who voted for...
In fact, as Rev is used by many educators who often need to "contain"
their students, this feature might appear to be more important than
in other dev environments. These developers should vote for this
bug... or:

Last year I needed *absolutely* a backdrop for a very large app
dedicated to seniors in order to let them wrapped in a cocoon
especially designed for them...
I ended by creating the backdrop by myself with a simple modeless
stack :-)
But it was not perfect: a little flash at mousedown with slow
machines...

Le 30 juin 05 ? 01:35, Marielle Lange a ?crit :

> Same here. Has been like that since 2.5... is still the case in
> 2.6. I don't use
> the backdrop much (for this reason), but any time I use it, that's
> exactly the
> behaviour you describe (need to use the window menu as all stacks
> are *behind*
> the backdrop after when going back and forth from another application.


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From heather at runrev.com  Fri Jul  1 08:12:23 2005
From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Nagey)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 13:12:23 +0100
Subject: A list mom post
Message-ID: <9c932b905f18f6596e956e57ab3deb03@runrev.com>

Dear list members,

It's been some time since I made the usual listmom remarks here, its 
probably time for a reminder. Also there have been a couple of threads 
recently that could do with addressing.

Our list settings are set to protect your email addresses. These should 
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I think it is a rare occurrence and not very easy to do. You would have 
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This list is here for folks to help each other use Revolution. It is 
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From yoursignup at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  1 08:27:26 2005
From: yoursignup at yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 02:27:26 -1000
Subject: Suggestion for correcting the IDE's script editor 
In-Reply-To: <002401c57e1f$078e2810$0201a8c0@john>
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEDCHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>

Bob,

A very reasonable post. As a PC programmer, the Tab key was news to me also.
In the interest of "discussion" here's another idea:

Over the years, I have found that editors (and word processors) are like
religions. Everyone likes the one they are used to and are willing to go to
war over it.

Maybe the answer is, and I don't even know if this is possible in the Rev
paradigm, is to give users a choice by allowing them to use 3rd party
editors. The problem (and fear) here usually is that the debugging
facilities of the IDE won't integrate with a 3rd party editor.

So, maybe instead of trying to make The Editor a one size fits all (which
will never happen), publish a standard against which 3rd party programmers
can write alternate editors, which the debugger, and other elements of the
IDE will use in the same fashion that it uses The Editor.

There could be a list of approved editors and a place in Preferences to pick
the one you are using. In the long run, I believe, this would be less
programming for the Rev folks and more opportunity for the independent
developer.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of Bob Warren
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 11:21 PM
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Subject: Suggestion for correcting the IDE's script editor


Can we go back to where it all started?





From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul  1 08:41:58 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 14:41:58 +0200
Subject: Suggestion for correcting the IDE's script editor
In-Reply-To: <42C522A5.9000008@sover.net>
References: <002401c57e1f$078e2810$0201a8c0@john>
	<2EB6B7FA-434D-4C67-B7E7-072DC136DA61@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<42C522A5.9000008@sover.net>
Message-ID: <15465567-F41F-4104-A880-1B9EFFBB3251@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Jon,

I tested the following:

on toto
   if there is a fld "toto" then
     go to cd 1
   end if

end toto

1. I typed "on toto" and press return: "end toto" has been  
automatically set and the insertion point blinked at the right place  
(with the right indentation)
2. I typed "if there is a fld toto then" and press return: the  
indentation level was increased as expected but, accordingly to  
Xtalks habits, the "end toto" should have been moved 1 indent to  
reflect the "end if" absence. But it did not. I pressed the tabKey  
and then the end control structure moved.
3. The rest was correct.

So, it appears that return and tab keys do not act exactly in the  
same way and the end control structure indentation  (or another one)  
is not managed as it it should be when pressing the return key.
I agree your point of view and consider this dysfunction as severe  
since a correct behaviour (i.e. reliable) would be very helpful for  
beginners and... others when, for instance some nested if structures  
should request an

if then
   statements
end if

before an another else at the beginning of the following line and not:

if then statements

In such a case the engine is confused (it is right :-), revError  
tells there is something wrong but indentation appears correct when  
in fact, it should reflect that there is a problem with a control  
structure and visually indicate which of them is at issue.
HyperCard did it perfectly and when I began many years ago it has  
been very helpful for me even if now I have generally no more  
problems :-)

Le 1 juil. 05 ? 13:01, Jon a ?crit :

> "The Revolution script editor automatically pretty-prints the  
> current  handler when you place the insertion point somewhere in  
> the handler  and press Return or Tab."
>
> I agree that <tab> works in this way, but I use <return> all of the  
> time, and the formatting is often incorrect.  Am I missing  
> something, or is the above sentence either partly or entirely wrong  
> (as regards <return>).
>
> Jon
>
>
> Eric Chatonet wrote:
>
>
>> Hi Bob,
>>
>> As usual with Rev docs, it's somewhere but you are rarely able to   
>> find it...
>> I'm finishing a plugin that finds the following when you enter   
>> "indent" as a search keyword:
>> Might be useful ;-)
>>
>> From the Docs FAQs:
>> How do I pretty print a script?
>> Pretty printing is the use of indenting to show the structure of  
>> a  handler. When pretty printed, the contents of control  
>> structures  (such as if/then/else conditionals and repeat loops)  
>> are indented.  Nested control structures are indented more, to  
>> show the level of  nesting.
>> The Revolution script editor automatically pretty-prints the  
>> current  handler when you place the insertion point somewhere in  
>> the handler  and press Return or Tab. You can also choose Script  
>> menu Format to  pretty print the current handler.
>> To turn off automatic pretty printing, choose Edit menu  
>> Preferences,  then uncheck the box labeled "Auto-indent to show  
>> structure" in the  "Script Editor" pane.
>>
>> Le 1 juil. 05 ? 11:20, Bob Warren a ?crit :
>>
>>
>>> In addition, perhaps the switch for turning auto-formatting on  
>>> and  off could
>>> be put in a more convenient place Also, descriptions of auto-  
>>> formatting and
>>> the (non-standard) use of the TAB key could be more prominently   
>>> displayed in
>>> the Help.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From xbury.cs at clearstream.com  Fri Jul  1 08:43:38 2005
From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 14:43:38 +0200
Subject: Suggestion for correcting the IDE's script editor
In-Reply-To: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEDCHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OFD41A60D3.179B1296-ONC1257031.00452AE5-C1257031.0045DB93@deutsche-boerse.com>

Jim, Bob,

I agree with you. However remember that you can use anything to edit the 
script...

put the script of the selobj into fld 1 of stack "myeditor"
and 
set the script of the selobj to fld 1 of stack "Myeditor"

Note that the plugin architecture of RunRev permits to trap the 
RevEditScript handler so you can insert your own plugin in there.

so if your stack is a plug in and has the corresponding RevEditScript 
message handler in its' stack script

on RevEditScript 
  put the script of the selobj into fld 1 of stack "myeditor"
end RevEditScript 

then, you're near home free ;-) except for all the good features i'll be 
releasing soon ;)

The debugging however doesn't require tabs so using Rev's SE to do this 
shouldn't be too shocking ;)

As far as i know there isn't a plugin hook to debug. And the RevEditScript 
has to be tested still (last i did, all i managed was to crash Rev but 
this is apparently fixed).

As a PC user, the Rev Script Editor has come a long way to something 
that's more than quite useable and simple to use.

Im sure you'll get used to it (as Mark said) before you know it or get 
used to your own way ;)

cheers
Xavier
http://monsieurx.com


On 01/07/2005 14:27:26 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>Bob,
>
>A very reasonable post. As a PC programmer, the Tab key was news to me 
also.
>In the interest of "discussion" here's another idea:
>
>Over the years, I have found that editors (and word processors) are like
>religions. Everyone likes the one they are used to and are willing to go 
to
>war over it.
>
>Maybe the answer is, and I don't even know if this is possible in the Rev
>paradigm, is to give users a choice by allowing them to use 3rd party
>editors. The problem (and fear) here usually is that the debugging
>facilities of the IDE won't integrate with a 3rd party editor.
>
>So, maybe instead of trying to make The Editor a one size fits all (which
>will never happen), publish a standard against which 3rd party 
programmers
>can write alternate editors, which the debugger, and other elements of 
the
>IDE will use in the same fashion that it uses The Editor.
>
>There could be a list of approved editors and a place in Preferences to 
pick
>the one you are using. In the long run, I believe, this would be less
>programming for the Rev folks and more opportunity for the independent
>developer.
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 11:21 PM
>To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>Subject: Suggestion for correcting the IDE's script editor
>
>
>Can we go back to where it all started?
>
>
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From keith at vortex.co.uk  Fri Jul  1 05:45:44 2005
From: keith at vortex.co.uk (keith)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:45:44 +0100
Subject: How do I make simple multiple user access app?
In-Reply-To: <p06210200beea4dd80b46@[12.151.198.5]>
References: <a06210203bee94657fc30@[10.0.0.15]>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20050630064520.01e98230@pop3.pon.net>
	<a06210201beea04e2b29b@[10.0.0.24]>
	<p06210200beea4dd80b46@[12.151.198.5]>
Message-ID: <a06210206beeabd5ffb89@[10.0.0.23]>

Sometime around 30/6/05 (at 20:47 -0500) Stephen Barncard said:

>Keith;
>Are you sure the resources aren't already available at the ISP the 
>office already uses for its web site (assuming it has one)?

It is a political issue rather than a financial one I'm afraid. [sigh]
Actually, it is also a practical one, in that she has zero experience 
with scripting (and I mean *zero*) and she wants to do the project 
herself rather than me do it and her not know anything about it. I 
wouldn't ask anyone, let alone my nearest+dearest, to launch straight 
into MySQL from a standing start! Revolution with simple scripting 
and stack structure, yes; MySQL, no. Not yet, anyway. :-)

It couldn't (yet) be done using an external server (although I'm 
fairly confident that this is how it will work in the long term), and 
the internal IT management issue (political again) means it won't be 
something set up within the network either. Again: yet.

Thanks for the info on the Dreamhost feature for limiting SQL access 
by IP address. That's achievable using PHP anyway, but it is handy to 
know of services which deal with this sort of thing for you.

k


From jbondy at sover.net  Fri Jul  1 09:27:59 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 09:27:59 -0400
Subject: Suggestion for correcting the IDE's script editor
In-Reply-To: <15465567-F41F-4104-A880-1B9EFFBB3251@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <002401c57e1f$078e2810$0201a8c0@john>	<2EB6B7FA-434D-4C67-B7E7-072DC136DA61@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42C522A5.9000008@sover.net>
	<15465567-F41F-4104-A880-1B9EFFBB3251@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <42C544DF.9030305@sover.net>

Eric:

Excellent post.  This points out, specifically, how the two keys (<tab> 
and <return>) behave differently, which is part of what has been 
frustrating me.  The closer these two keys function, the better off we 
all will be, I think.

Thanks!

Jon


Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi Jon,
>
> I tested the following:
>
> on toto
>   if there is a fld "toto" then
>     go to cd 1
>   end if
>
> end toto
>
> 1. I typed "on toto" and press return: "end toto" has been  
> automatically set and the insertion point blinked at the right place  
> (with the right indentation)
> 2. I typed "if there is a fld toto then" and press return: the  
> indentation level was increased as expected but, accordingly to  
> Xtalks habits, the "end toto" should have been moved 1 indent to  
> reflect the "end if" absence. But it did not. I pressed the tabKey  
> and then the end control structure moved.
> 3. The rest was correct.
>
> So, it appears that return and tab keys do not act exactly in the  
> same way and the end control structure indentation  (or another one)  
> is not managed as it it should be when pressing the return key.
> I agree your point of view and consider this dysfunction as severe  
> since a correct behaviour (i.e. reliable) would be very helpful for  
> beginners and... others when, for instance some nested if structures  
> should request an
>
> if then
>   statements
> end if
>
> before an another else at the beginning of the following line and not:
>
> if then statements
>
> In such a case the engine is confused (it is right :-), revError  
> tells there is something wrong but indentation appears correct when  
> in fact, it should reflect that there is a problem with a control  
> structure and visually indicate which of them is at issue.
> HyperCard did it perfectly and when I began many years ago it has  
> been very helpful for me even if now I have generally no more  
> problems :-)
>
> Le 1 juil. 05 ? 13:01, Jon a ?crit :
>
>> "The Revolution script editor automatically pretty-prints the  
>> current  handler when you place the insertion point somewhere in  the 
>> handler  and press Return or Tab."
>>
>> I agree that <tab> works in this way, but I use <return> all of the  
>> time, and the formatting is often incorrect.  Am I missing  
>> something, or is the above sentence either partly or entirely wrong  
>> (as regards <return>).
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>
>> Eric Chatonet wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hi Bob,
>>>
>>> As usual with Rev docs, it's somewhere but you are rarely able to   
>>> find it...
>>> I'm finishing a plugin that finds the following when you enter   
>>> "indent" as a search keyword:
>>> Might be useful ;-)
>>>
>>> From the Docs FAQs:
>>> How do I pretty print a script?
>>> Pretty printing is the use of indenting to show the structure of  a  
>>> handler. When pretty printed, the contents of control  structures  
>>> (such as if/then/else conditionals and repeat loops)  are indented.  
>>> Nested control structures are indented more, to  show the level of  
>>> nesting.
>>> The Revolution script editor automatically pretty-prints the  
>>> current  handler when you place the insertion point somewhere in  
>>> the handler  and press Return or Tab. You can also choose Script  
>>> menu Format to  pretty print the current handler.
>>> To turn off automatic pretty printing, choose Edit menu  
>>> Preferences,  then uncheck the box labeled "Auto-indent to show  
>>> structure" in the  "Script Editor" pane.
>>>
>>> Le 1 juil. 05 ? 11:20, Bob Warren a ?crit :
>>>
>>>
>>>> In addition, perhaps the switch for turning auto-formatting on  
>>>> and  off could
>>>> be put in a more convenient place Also, descriptions of auto-  
>>>> formatting and
>>>> the (non-standard) use of the TAB key could be more prominently   
>>>> displayed in
>>>> the Help.
>>>
>
> Best Regards from Paris,
>
> Eric Chatonet.
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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Fri Jul  1 09:29:08 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:29:08 -0400
Subject: Suggestion for correcting the IDE's script editor AND Endless
	ranting and rude insults AND other points
In-Reply-To: <EF1362C1-A4F3-4DCF-81CA-E5C71C3A6798@writeme.com>
References: <20050629113214.CAF17824976@mail.runrev.com>
	<812a035aa1c5d419a5955f456c2d9279@mac.com>
	<42C47819.4010700@sover.net>
	<17710044-AC64-4E14-9CF9-4FD50E102A81@writeme.com>
	<3cf28f63122de346c4ff9b27eff7b68f@mac.com>
	<FE73336C-8D22-4B15-9884-D78807597B23@writeme.com>
	<71dbd18c0b146e228b3b2b73052f72d8@adelphia.net>
	<EF1362C1-A4F3-4DCF-81CA-E5C71C3A6798@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <5b3d76bbd2c4fd99764dad040a88c0e4@adelphia.net>

Dennis,

You are right! I am trying to turn it down four notches. Thanks for the 
calm post.

I just threw your comments on top of a rather large pile (IMO) and 
after reading your post again, I see that that was not fair to do.

Thanks for being on this list and offering your professional and calm 
support.

Tom


On Jun 30, 2005, at 10:02 PM, Dennis Brown wrote:

> Please turn your sensitivity knob down two notches and stop stirring 
> up the pot.  My comments were not meant to insult or be rude to 
> anyone, and in rereading them, I can't see that they are, but you have 
> labeled them so.  You are actually inciting more discussion and 
> rudeness than you are preventing.  I am only trying to provide helpful 
> suggestions for how to separate one generic type of discussion from 
> another for the benefit of the people who come to this list to get the 
> very helpful and appreciated advice of the "old hands".


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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Fri Jul  1 09:44:20 2005
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 08:44:20 -0500
Subject: How do I make simple multiple user access app?
In-Reply-To: <a06210206beeabd5ffb89@[10.0.0.23]>
References: <a06210203bee94657fc30@[10.0.0.15]>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20050630064520.01e98230@pop3.pon.net>
	<a06210201beea04e2b29b@[10.0.0.24]>
	<p06210200beea4dd80b46@[12.151.198.5]>
	<a06210206beeabd5ffb89@[10.0.0.23]>
Message-ID: <p06210205beeaf64584af@[192.168.1.27]>

>Revolution with simple scripting and stack structure, yes; MySQL, 
>no. Not yet, anyway. :-)

I was under the assumption that this was a shared database project. 
If it's just the same app on the same machine, then a card-metaphor 
thing would work. If it goes on the network like that, one user could 
use it at a time, but would require connecting to the network or 
leaving it connected with a shared folder.

If you are getting into psueduo-database with multiple users at once 
and sharing kludges on a network, you are already out of the 'simple' 
category anyway. I was just relating my experiences finding 'simple'.

>
>It couldn't (yet) be done using an external server (although I'm 
>fairly confident that this is how it will work in the long term), 
>and the internal IT management issue (political again) means it 
>won't be something set up within the network either. Again: yet.

So you might to spend a lot of time on code that will have to be 
upgraded later for the network.

I can't suggest anything to do about silly IT political restrictions.

>
>Thanks for the info on the Dreamhost feature for limiting SQL access 
>by IP address. That's achievable using PHP anyway,

But you wanted simple. This is just their interface using a feature 
of the SQL server.

>  but it is handy to know of services which deal with this sort of 
>thing for you.

MySQL server handles this; it's a feature.

sqb


From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Fri Jul  1 10:00:30 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:00:30 -0400
Subject: Suggestion for correcting the IDE's script editor 
In-Reply-To: <002401c57e1f$078e2810$0201a8c0@john>
References: <002401c57e1f$078e2810$0201a8c0@john>
Message-ID: <469713d4e67de9f967bfda7ce6f70362@adelphia.net>

Bob,

I have been using Rev for 1 year now and although I have my frustrating 
moments with bugs, as do others, I am confident in Rev's pursuit of 
fixing the bugs that bother us all. They are releasing fixes in a much 
faster time frame and plan on continuing to do so.

I believe they are focusing on a couple of key areas and the editor is 
one of those. So your number 1. issue should be noticed soon enough.

As far as numbers 2. and 3.  I think that the formating will stay the 
way it works now. But with fixes to the problem areas. I agree that 
turning it off should do just that. A simple request. I would easily 
vote for this bug fix/UI enhancement.

Number 4. (not numbered) is the one I think that should be done sooner 
rather than later. It would let a newbie know that this is possible and 
maybe take a lot of the frustration out of dealing with the editor in 
the first place. I think the reason this thread got out of hand is not 
your post but rather that it opened a door to venting frustrations 
about all kinds of things and those frustrations are what started to 
get out of hand (IMO). Every one here seems to agree that we want to go 
forward and never end up where VB did and I fear where Director is 
going. I would vote for this enhancement request.

Yours,

Tom

On Jul 1, 2005, at 5:20 AM, Bob Warren wrote:

> 1. Existing bugs should be removed. The very fact that a newcomer 
> cannot
> easily see the difference between a feature and a bug shows that there 
> is
> something wrong somewhere. Bugs confuse everybody and everything.
>
> As Mark suggested in his e-mail to us all by suggesting that "it is not
> unreasonable to give users the choice":
>
> 2. Leave the existing auto-formatting facilities entirely alone.
> BUT
> 3. When the auto-formatting is turned off, it means what it says. This 
> means
> that changes to existing text can be made in the manner of a normal 
> text
> editor. TAB creates a single indentation in a single line.
>
> In addition, perhaps the switch for turning auto-formatting on and off 
> could
> be put in a more convenient place Also, descriptions of 
> auto-formatting and
> the (non-standard) use of the TAB key could be more prominently 
> displayed in
> the Help.
>


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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Fri Jul  1 10:02:27 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:02:27 -0400
Subject: Suggestion for correcting the IDE's script editor 
In-Reply-To: <2EB6B7FA-434D-4C67-B7E7-072DC136DA61@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <002401c57e1f$078e2810$0201a8c0@john>
	<2EB6B7FA-434D-4C67-B7E7-072DC136DA61@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <f44994a4e7f63fce5eba03121ada7435@adelphia.net>

Eric,

Is that what it is really called? Pretty printing? Or is that a 
translation thing?

It just sounds a little funny.

Curious Tom


On Jul 1, 2005, at 5:55 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi Bob,
>
> As usual with Rev docs, it's somewhere but you are rarely able to find 
> it...
> I'm finishing a plugin that finds the following when you enter 
> "indent" as a search keyword:
> Might be useful ;-)
>
> From the Docs FAQs:
> How do I pretty print a script?
> Pretty printing is the use of indenting to show the structure of a 
> handler. When pretty printed, the contents of control structures (such 
> as if/then/else conditionals and repeat loops) are indented. Nested 
> control structures are indented more, to show the level of nesting.
> The Revolution script editor automatically pretty-prints the current 
> handler when you place the insertion point somewhere in the handler 
> and press Return or Tab. You can also choose Script menu Format to 
> pretty print the current handler.
> To turn off automatic pretty printing, choose Edit menu Preferences, 
> then uncheck the box labeled "Auto-indent to show structure" in the 
> "Script Editor" pane.
>
> Le 1 juil. 05 ? 11:20, Bob Warren a ?crit :
>
>> In addition, perhaps the switch for turning auto-formatting on and 
>> off could
>> be put in a more convenient place Also, descriptions of 
>> auto-formatting and
>> the (non-standard) use of the TAB key could be more prominently 
>> displayed in
>> the Help.
>
> Best Regards from Paris,
>
> Eric Chatonet.
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From see3d at writeme.com  Fri Jul  1 10:03:11 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 10:03:11 -0400
Subject: Where does the memory go?
In-Reply-To: <42C4B3B2.6090606@fourthworld.com>
References: <354E30BF-7770-48B7-8AAA-DC6BAE51F8C8@writeme.com>
	<42C47EE7.2050609@fourthworld.com>
	<BAF1BD68-851D-4EDE-8C94-FF9DE6F821AD@writeme.com>
	<42C4B3B2.6090606@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <198DCE91-61CA-444E-B047-1B786CAA01FD@writeme.com>

Richard,

Thanks for the tip.  I haven't run into that problem yet, because I  
have only created one card stacks.  I do all the stuff that one might  
do with multiple cards, with multiple invisible groups, and keeping  
different data sets in custom properties.  I like the additional  
control I have over the interface, and it also makes the stack more  
compact.

Dennis

On Jun 30, 2005, at 11:08 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> FWIW, for card deletion there is sometimes some space leftover as a  
> result of the hashing scheme used, much as there would be for  
> record deletion in most databases.  This can be reclaimed with the  
> compact command -- from the Dictionary entry for "compact":
>
>    When you cut or delete a card, some free space is left
>    within the stack. This empty space is reclaimed when
>    you choose File menu Save. Use the compact command to
>    reclaim this empty space without having to save the stack.
>
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal
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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Fri Jul  1 10:17:50 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:17:50 -0400
Subject: resume rev backdrop on top bug? 
In-Reply-To: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEDBHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
References: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEDBHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9cf23b0f7d1d6353cd935c08adab8124@adelphia.net>

Jim,

The backdrop feature is found under the view menu as a convenience when 
working in Rev. You can also script it in the IDE and a Standalone.
set the backdrop to "black"
set the backdrop to lightblue
set the backdrop to none

Use colorNames to get a list of colors that can be used with backdrop.

It is meant to cover any size screen regardless of size. That makes it 
a feature since you would not have to know the users screen size at 
all. My experience has been that it works great in a standalone but is 
strange to use in the IDE where it covers things up most of the time.

You can of course role your own using a window as a backdrop and that 
should work well in you desktop in your IDE but you would have to 
handle different sizes if you ported your stack to someone else's 
desktop. It is the lack of having to resize the backdrop that makes it 
a feature. Now, That might not be a bad enhancement request, but I 
would rather see other enhancements first and just continue rolling my 
own for specific situations.

Hope this was helpful,

Tom


On Jul 1, 2005, at 7:51 AM, Jim Bufalini wrote:

> I'm not sure if what's being talked about here is the same thing, but 
> if in
> the IDE, if you turn backdrop on (not even sure where in Edit -> 
> Preferences
> I did that), it covers everything, even the taskbar and the only way 
> to get
> to any other program or your desktop is to minimize Rev. Is this the
> "feature" being talked about? If it is, I find it extremely annoying 
> and
> would vote to be able to size the background, like ever other program 
> out
> there (in the PC world anyway). So, what's the number to vote for?
>
> Jim


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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Fri Jul  1 10:25:10 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:25:10 -0400
Subject: Suggestion for correcting the IDE's script editor 
In-Reply-To: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEDCHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
References: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEDCHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <30e3d823cb89123ab03474ba6b608351@adelphia.net>

Good idea Jim. I don't know if it will get done but I've seen this 
before and it works. I've seen it in using applescript and frontier 
runtime etc.
(or maybe that was one editor with multiple language choices?!?!?!)

Thanks

Tom

On Jul 1, 2005, at 8:27 AM, Jim Bufalini wrote:

> So, maybe instead of trying to make The Editor a one size fits all 
> (which
> will never happen), publish a standard against which 3rd party 
> programmers
> can write alternate editors, which the debugger, and other elements of 
> the
> IDE will use in the same fashion that it uses The Editor.
>


Macintosh PowerBook G-4 OSX 10.3.9, OS 9.2.2, 1.25 GHz, 512MB RAM, Rev 
2.6


Advanced Media Group
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Artist
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3mcgrath at adelphia.net





From keith at vortex.co.uk  Fri Jul  1 10:25:25 2005
From: keith at vortex.co.uk (keith)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 15:25:25 +0100
Subject: How do I make simple multiple user access app?
In-Reply-To: <p06210205beeaf64584af@[192.168.1.27]>
References: <a06210203bee94657fc30@[10.0.0.15]>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20050630064520.01e98230@pop3.pon.net>
	<a06210201beea04e2b29b@[10.0.0.24]>
	<p06210200beea4dd80b46@[12.151.198.5]>
	<a06210206beeabd5ffb89@[10.0.0.23]>
	<p06210205beeaf64584af@[192.168.1.27]>
Message-ID: <a0621020bbeeaffef9568@[10.0.0.23]>

Hi Stephen - thanks for the further comments!

>>Revolution with simple scripting and stack structure, yes; MySQL, 
>>no. Not yet, anyway. :-)
>
>I was under the assumption that this was a shared database project.

That's something that she's hoping to be able to do. I'm rapidly 
coming to the conclusion that a simple 'app or stack in use' flag 
would be good enough for now. One user at a time, running it from a 
single network location. Or just say no, not at this level of 
production. ;-)


>I can't suggest anything to do about silly IT political restrictions.

:-)
Don't worry about it, I just mentioned it to explain why some 
solutions weren't possible at this point. This sort of thing is 
common to most companies, but explaining the details wouldn't help 
any and would take far too much bandwidth. Not to mention it'd be 
boring!


>But you wanted simple. This is just their interface using a feature 
>of the SQL server.

Okay, thanks. I've done a little with MySQL, but I'm far from knowing 
all or even most of what it can do.
Please understand, I'm making mental notes for my own interests as 
well as finding the simplest solutions for my wife's project. That's 
probably making my replies seem a tad erratic, but rest assured, I'm 
paying attention!

Anyway, back to the point. I am trying to help my wife arrive at the 
simplest *here and now* solution, even though I'm sure things will be 
changed in the future. Sometimes it is fine and practical to do that. 
In this case, it means the difference between the project being taken 
to a working first stage and the project simply being abandoned. <g> 
The comments here have helped, so thanks to all.

k


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul  1 10:35:24 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 16:35:24 +0200
Subject: Suggestion for correcting the IDE's script editor 
In-Reply-To: <f44994a4e7f63fce5eba03121ada7435@adelphia.net>
References: <002401c57e1f$078e2810$0201a8c0@john>
	<2EB6B7FA-434D-4C67-B7E7-072DC136DA61@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<f44994a4e7f63fce5eba03121ada7435@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <EB68ED47-AEDD-412C-9C2A-519CA4F8D778@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi curious Tom :-)

How could you think that I would change a single word from the  
Official Revolution Documentation ;-)
No, I just copied/pasted it.
At the time, seems that Rev guys were very happy with this function...
Now, I wonder ;-)
But stay curious: it's a good disease!

Le 1 juil. 05 ? 16:02, Thomas McGrath III a ?crit :

> Is that what it is really called? Pretty printing? Or is that a  
> translation thing?
>
> It just sounds a little funny.
>
> Curious Tom

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Fri Jul  1 10:41:27 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:41:27 -0400
Subject: design problem: fonts and spacing
In-Reply-To: <p06210208bee9954f700c@[10.1.23.247]>
References: <E6EDD513-76C6-4E3C-A77F-F69E9018BE25@conncoll.edu>
	<p06210208bee9954f700c@[10.1.23.247]>
Message-ID: <40905FC7-D81C-488A-9A80-525531089322@conncoll.edu>


It is the case. It's the spaces, not the visible characters, whose  
representation seems to depend on unknown (inaccessible?) contextual  
factors.

It looks like I'm settling on using (ugly!) Courier for the spacing- 
critical text within fields.


On Jun 30, 2005, at 8:27 AM, keith wrote:

> Sometime around 30/6/05 (at 08:02 -0400) Charles Hartman said:
>
>
>> I'm finding that when I close and reopen my stack, the spacing of  
>> the upper (scansion) line is sometimes off -- too condensed or too  
>> spaced out. I set the Font for the whole stack file to Palatino.
>>
>
> Are you saying the type changes its relative spacing sometimes, or  
> just that it doesn't line up? It sounds like you're describing  
> actual changes in the placement of the characters from one viewing  
> of the stack to another, which would indeed be frustrating. Is this  
> the case?
>
> k
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul  1 10:45:25 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 16:45:25 +0200
Subject: resume rev backdrop on top bug? 
In-Reply-To: <9cf23b0f7d1d6353cd935c08adab8124@adelphia.net>
References: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEDBHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
	<9cf23b0f7d1d6353cd935c08adab8124@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <20FB806D-C65D-4D32-A377-414FBD3B0EB5@sosmartsoftware.com>

Le 1 juil. 05 ? 16:17, Thomas McGrath III a ?crit :

> The backdrop feature is found under the view menu as a convenience  
> when working in Rev. You can also script it in the IDE and a  
> Standalone.
> set the backdrop to "black"
> set the backdrop to lightblue
> set the backdrop to none

And set the backdrop to <image ID>
which can be a pattern, an image or what you want.
You have only to be careful with the original dimensions to get a  
correct appearance an a satisfying overlap.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Fri Jul  1 10:48:19 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:48:19 -0400
Subject: resume rev backdrop on top bug? 
In-Reply-To: <9cf23b0f7d1d6353cd935c08adab8124@adelphia.net>
References: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEDBHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
	<9cf23b0f7d1d6353cd935c08adab8124@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <9204607608ed19a7b2ef4bb6100b0f8a@adelphia.net>

Also, this is a fun way to set the random backdrop to different colors:

set the backdrop to line (random(the number of lines of the 
colorNames)) of the colorNames

putting that into a repeat loop in a button will drive you nuts. ;-0    
  set the 300 down to 30 and it is very fast

on mouseUp
   fubar
end mouseUp

on fubar
     repeat until the mouseclick
       set the backdrop to line (random(the number of lines of the 
colorNames)) of the colorNames
       wait 300 milliseconds
     end repeat
end fubar


TOm

From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Fri Jul  1 10:50:47 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:50:47 -0400
Subject: resume rev backdrop on top bug? 
In-Reply-To: <20FB806D-C65D-4D32-A377-414FBD3B0EB5@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEDBHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
	<9cf23b0f7d1d6353cd935c08adab8124@adelphia.net>
	<20FB806D-C65D-4D32-A377-414FBD3B0EB5@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <68347d76da7822ef154f4e351c891368@adelphia.net>

I have seen patterns used before but did not realize we could use 
images of our own. Very cool

Tom

On Jul 1, 2005, at 10:45 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Le 1 juil. 05 ? 16:17, Thomas McGrath III a ?crit :
>
>> The backdrop feature is found under the view menu as a convenience 
>> when working in Rev. You can also script it in the IDE and a 
>> Standalone.
>> set the backdrop to "black"
>> set the backdrop to lightblue
>> set the backdrop to none
>
> And set the backdrop to <image ID>
> which can be a pattern, an image or what you want.
> You have only to be careful with the original dimensions to get a 
> correct appearance an a satisfying overlap.
>
> Best Regards from Paris,
>
> Eric Chatonet.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul  1 10:56:23 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 16:56:23 +0200
Subject: resume rev backdrop on top bug? 
In-Reply-To: <9204607608ed19a7b2ef4bb6100b0f8a@adelphia.net>
References: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEDBHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
	<9cf23b0f7d1d6353cd935c08adab8124@adelphia.net>
	<9204607608ed19a7b2ef4bb6100b0f8a@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <93E9F3C5-961F-444F-949D-16A6294EC4DB@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Tom,

I jast tryed itt with 10 miliSecondes: naow I ame bliiiind and cannt  
type No Maure ;-(

Le 1 juil. 05 ? 16:48, Thomas McGrath III a ?crit :

> Also, this is a fun way to set the random backdrop to different  
> colors:
>
> set the backdrop to line (random(the number of lines of the  
> colorNames)) of the colorNames
>
> putting that into a repeat loop in a button will drive you  
> nuts. ;-0     set the 300 down to 30 and it is very fast
>
> on mouseUp
>   fubar
> end mouseUp
>
> on fubar
>     repeat until the mouseclick
>       set the backdrop to line (random(the number of lines of the  
> colorNames)) of the colorNames
>       wait 300 milliseconds
>     end repeat
> end fubar

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Fri Jul  1 11:04:51 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 11:04:51 -0400
Subject: resume rev backdrop on top bug? 
In-Reply-To: <93E9F3C5-961F-444F-949D-16A6294EC4DB@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEDBHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
	<9cf23b0f7d1d6353cd935c08adab8124@adelphia.net>
	<9204607608ed19a7b2ef4bb6100b0f8a@adelphia.net>
	<93E9F3C5-961F-444F-949D-16A6294EC4DB@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <5d2ce9d0c7adb2f8d34dada7869be152@adelphia.net>

LOL - what a hoot.....

thanks

Tom
On Jul 1, 2005, at 10:56 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi Tom,
>
> I jast tryed itt with 10 miliSecondes: naow I ame bliiiind and cannt 
> type No Maure ;-(
>
> Le 1 juil. 05 ? 16:48, Thomas McGrath III a ?crit :
>
>> Also, this is a fun way to set the random backdrop to different 
>> colors:
>>
>> set the backdrop to line (random(the number of lines of the 
>> colorNames)) of the colorNames
>>
>> putting that into a repeat loop in a button will drive you nuts. ;-0  
>>    set the 300 down to 30 and it is very fast



From dam-pro.girard at laposte.net  Fri Jul  1 11:10:23 2005
From: dam-pro.girard at laposte.net (Damien Girard)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 17:10:23 +0200
Subject: Select a field (For text writing)
Message-ID: <200507011710.24075.dam-pro.girard@laposte.net>

Hi all,

I have got a stack, that show some group. In these group, the user must write 
information (in field), I want to know how I can "select" the field, for when 
the user show the group, I can directly write the text.

Pour les fran?ais (si vous comprenez pas ce que je veux dire en anglais :D )

En fait, j'ai un "stack", et il affiche des groupes, en fait, c'est groupes 
aggisent un peu comme la commande ask, quand on l'affiche, on peut marquer 
directement le texte ? l'int?rieur du champs. Je voudrai pouvoir faire la 
m?me chose, mais avec des groupes.

Je vous remercie.

-- 
----------------------------------------
Girard Damien
Email: dam-pro.girard at laposte.net


From christian.langers at education.lu  Fri Jul  1 11:14:54 2005
From: christian.langers at education.lu (Christian Langers)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 17:14:54 +0200
Subject: need windows engine...
Message-ID: <26E8E1BF-962B-4EAA-AC62-69B54EE1D1AE@education.lu>

Hi everybody,

it seems that you can't download anything from runrev.com, so you  
can't download the engines neither :-)

Could anybody send me the windows-engine of Revoluiton 2.6. ? (off-list)


Thanks in advance,


Christian

iMacG4 , Powerbook G4, Mac Os X 10.4


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul  1 11:23:18 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 17:23:18 +0200
Subject: Select a field (For text writing)
In-Reply-To: <200507011710.24075.dam-pro.girard@laposte.net>
References: <200507011710.24075.dam-pro.girard@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <302FB31A-A5EE-4362-87E7-54B87855440C@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Damien,

As I regained one's sight (see a previous post) and if I understand  
correctly (here, I'm not sure) the select command with one of these  
forms should help you:

select text of fld <field name> -- but not select fld <field name>  
which would select the field object
select before text of fld <field name> -- or: just select before fld  
<field name>
select after text of fld <field name> -- or: just select after fld  
<field name>
select char 1 to 5 of fld <field name>
select char 5 to 4 of fld <field name> -- to place the insertion  
point between two chars
select char 1, item 2, word 3, line 4 of fld <field name>
select char 1 to 2 of item 3 of line 4 of fld <field name>
etc.

If you want type by script (I did not understand exactly your  
purpose), see the type command.

Le 1 juil. 05 ? 17:10, Damien Girard a ?crit :

> I have got a stack, that show some group. In these group, the user  
> must write
> information (in field), I want to know how I can "select" the  
> field, for when
> the user show the group, I can directly write the text.
>
> Pour les fran?ais (si vous comprenez pas ce que je veux dire en  
> anglais :D )
>
> En fait, j'ai un "stack", et il affiche des groupes, en fait, c'est  
> groupes
> aggisent un peu comme la commande ask, quand on l'affiche, on peut  
> marquer
> directement le texte ? l'int?rieur du champs. Je voudrai pouvoir  
> faire la
> m?me chose, mais avec des groupes.


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From dbrooks at unlserve.unl.edu  Fri Jul  1 11:31:23 2005
From: dbrooks at unlserve.unl.edu (David Brooks)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:31:23 -0500
Subject: Using libSMTP to send an e-mail
In-Reply-To: <20050701014258.C80E9824967@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050701014258.C80E9824967@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <91c1f678067bf6b3e4d45865d9484aba@unlserve.unl.edu>

I've had GREAT luck with the new version of Shao Sean's libSMTP, and 
dealt with the "Subject" issue recently.

For the Subject, just put "SUBJECT: xxx yyy zzzz"&return as the first 
line of your message, and things will work well. I think the other 
entities (e.g., "CC:") work the same way.

Your mail will appear with "xxx yyy zzzz" as the subject line.

The Shao Sean's script works better than the old HyperCard XCMD that 
I've used in my older software for a decade.

Good luck!

Dave B.

> Hi All,
>
> I'm trying to get to grips with using Shao Sean's libSMTP to send an 
> e-mail.
> I've so far had limited success, in that I can send a message, but all 
> of
> the TO,FROM,SUBJECT information is empty. Furthermore, the e-mails I 
> have been
> sending must look dodgy because my ISP keeps blocking my account after 
> I use
> libSMTP to send something!
>
> I've been reading that there's
> another library by Shao Sean to format the mail (libMail?), but I 
> can't find
> it to download anywhere.
>
> So, I guess I'm wondering...
>
> 1. Can I get the libMail library? If so, where? And if not....
> 2. How do I format the data I send using libSMTP so that e-mail 
> clients will
> understand it?
>
> Many thanks,
>
>
> Tim.
>
>
>
>
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From see3d at writeme.com  Fri Jul  1 11:34:04 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 11:34:04 -0400
Subject: Suggestion for correcting the IDE's script editor [words of
	wisdom]
In-Reply-To: <002401c57e1f$078e2810$0201a8c0@john>
References: <002401c57e1f$078e2810$0201a8c0@john>
Message-ID: <7614A711-A7CB-4EE1-BD05-B3E4F0EC7F40@writeme.com>


On Jul 1, 2005, at 5:20 AM, Bob Warren wrote:

> Can we go back to where it all started?

Ok, I deleted everything before this post in my mail.

> Now, if we can discuss this on the List and arrive at some kind of  
> consensus
> about it, then perhaps we would earn sufficient respect on the part  
> of the
> management to get something implemented.
>
> Bob

A wise proposition.

Just a few ideas about these posts from my long experience.

STRANGE or BAD IDEAS:

1.  Every good idea I ever had, started out as a bad idea.  Some of  
the worst and most improbable ones turned into the best.  The key was  
to take the bad idea as a way to break free of the previous limited  
thinking and use it as a stepping stone to a great idea.

2.  Half the bad ideas I ever had were really bad and stayed that way  
and never led to anything worthwhile.

3.  I learned to treat ideas (my own or somebody else's) with  
equanimity.  I embrace the good ones whatever their source, and  
wrestle with the bad ones until I understand their true nature.

4.  It is often hard for me to tell that I have a good or bad idea  
until I can bounce it off other intelligent persons with different  
experiences.

5.  Ideas are not people, they are just inanimate objects.  They feel  
no insults or injuries.  They are fair game.  If you wish to release  
an idea into the hunting grounds to see if it survives, please do not  
identify yourself with it's fate.  Be a dispassionate participant,  
arguing for, or even against it's merits as the chase progresses.

PEOPLE are NOT IDEAS:

1.  The people who release ideas are not to be confused with the  
idea.  They have feelings, and are not fair game.  Everyone should  
receive respect, even when they don't give it.  That is a very hard  
thing to learn (especially if you feel slighted).  I have noticed  
that the most helpful people on this list behave this way.  I have  
also noticed that when a person is given respect (in spite of their  
perceived disrespect), they tend to change their tune in a positive way.

2.  Let the list mom handle the disposition of obnoxious people who  
really don't belong on this list.

WHO BENEFITS from a GOOD IDEA:

1.  I present ideas for improvements on this list without any  
expectation that I will benefit from them even if they are ever  
implemented.  It is unlikely that any will make it into a version in  
the time frame of my current projects.  I do not know if my future  
projects will materialize, or if I will have the same needs.  I view  
my contributions as planting an apple tree that others will be able  
to pick the fruit from.  Therefore, I am not emotionally invested  
from a personal level, only as representing part of the user  
community needs.

2.  I benefit directly when my good or bad ideas generate a response  
from the community about to solve the underlying problem (that  
spawned the idea) with the tools available today.

Dennis


From psahores at easynet.fr  Fri Jul  1 11:46:07 2005
From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 17:46:07 +0200
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_=5BFR=5D_=5BEN=5D_Re=3A_=5F=5BFrench=5D=5FU?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?n=5Fsite=5Fd=E9di=E9=5F=E0=5FR=E9volution?=
In-Reply-To: <42C5213D.4040307@sover.net>
References: <1gz0lq6.led0y81s1ns6cM%mcdomi@free.fr>
	<6f23a532653758730af74915b6d3ba59@skynet.be>
	<42C5213D.4040307@sover.net>
Message-ID: <77790108-C093-417F-8584-25674AAAE235@easynet.fr>

Grettings Yves,


Yves COPPE wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm a french revolution user (not a professionnal programmer), just  
> an hobby (coming from Hypercard).
>
> My english is bad, I have to do all my best so that my questions  
> are understood.
>
> I've asked many questions on the list in english language.
>
> Everybody who answered me was very kind with my bad english, tried  
> to well understand what I mean and NOBODY has made any least  
> malicious remark concerning the bad use of the language.

Our lists, our friendly and always helpfull relationships are one of  
the core part of the Revolution paradigm power. Even the RunRev Corp.  
banks would have to know about that when they have to watch to the  
RunRev's business plan..., i think ;-)
>
> So I feel good with this list where I can find professionnal  
> answers to my (newbie) questions.
>
> I'm afraid if we choose to go onto another list, we should loose  
> some qualtiy in the answers.

Not sure as long as we just would have to liesten and respond to just  
one more list, not dedicated to divide our common efforts but to help  
the french hobbyist that Rev exists as a very powerfull development  
tool, even if they are too lasy to come to english to meet both XTalk  
and our great community :-)

Best Regards,
>
> My two cents...
>
>
> Greetings.
>
> Yves COPPE
> yvescoppe at skynet.be
>


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From ron at ecionmicroed.com  Fri Jul  1 11:49:50 2005
From: ron at ecionmicroed.com (Ron Noice)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 11:49:50 -0400
Subject: How to prevent user navigating cards?
Message-ID: <200571114950.779589@msi98>

There's probably a simple way to do this but I'm missing it. I want to prevent the end user from being able to use Ctrl+1 ... Ctrl+4 to navigate through the cards in the stack. This would happen more by accident than on purpose but would be very confusing to the user. 

Everything in this application is accessed through card 1 and while other cards are created on-the-fly to hold data, that data is not formatted for viewing and not intended to be seen. So how can I stop the navigation keys from navigating? Thanks. (It will be a Win XP standalone if that makes a difference.)

... Ron




From ymdk at free.fr  Fri Jul  1 10:09:12 2005
From: ymdk at free.fr (Yhann)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 16:09:12 +0200
Subject: Massive distribution
Message-ID: <20050701140719.F03ED175510@postfix3-1.free.fr>

Hello,

For massive distribution (cd-rom), applications create with Revolution is it a good choice (in comparison with Director's applications) ? Fiability on multiple configurations for the general public ?

And what is the minimal configuration for an application compiled with Revolution ?

Thanks. 

PS : who working with Revolution on Windows system ?

Sorry for my bad english...

--

In french :

La fiabilit? des applications cr??s avec Revolution permet-elle une distribution massive de l'application au grand public, comme cela est le cas avec Director, par exemple.

Ou est-ce risqu? et pr?f?rable de cr?er des applications avec un d?ploiement r?duit.

Je dois r?aliser des CD-ROM multim?dia pouvant ?tre distribu?s en 3000 exemplaires pour le grand public, et devant donc tourner sur un grand nombre de configurations diff?rentes.

Je n'ai pas trouv? l'info quant ? la configuration minimale n?cessaire pour faire tourner une application r?alis?e avec Revolution (sur la base d'une application "classique", sans particularit? multim?dia) ?

(Je pr?cise que j'utiliserais la version Windows de Revolution, or il me semble que les origines de l'application se trouvent plut?t du c?t? du Macintosh : beaucoup d'entres-vous travaillent sous Windows ?)

Merci pour vos r?ponses, et d?sol? pour l'anglais, tr?s mauvais.

Yhann.


From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Jul  1 11:01:49 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 16:01:49 +0100
Subject: Suggestion for correcting the IDE's script editor
In-Reply-To: <f44994a4e7f63fce5eba03121ada7435@adelphia.net>
References: <002401c57e1f$078e2810$0201a8c0@john>	<2EB6B7FA-434D-4C67-B7E7-072DC136DA61@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<f44994a4e7f63fce5eba03121ada7435@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <42C55ADD.9020708@tweedly.net>

Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> Eric,
>
> Is that what it is really called? Pretty printing? Or is that a 
> translation thing?
>
> It just sounds a little funny.

It's really called that.
I *think* the name was first used in Lisp back in the 60s .... certainly 
it was in common use by the time I got involved in computers (1970), 
though it was still a "feature" then; it has become so ubiquitous that 
the word itself is less frequently needed these days - everyone knows 
programs should be laid out sensibly (even if they don't agree on what 
is sensible :-)

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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul  1 12:03:30 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:03:30 +0200
Subject: How to prevent user navigating cards?
In-Reply-To: <200571114950.779589@msi98>
References: <200571114950.779589@msi98>
Message-ID: <52CEFE4B-5515-43F7-B381-71832D19C1A3@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Ron,

Have a look at the commandKeyDown message.
This message has a parameter which corresponds to the key pressed:

on commandKeyDown pKey
   if pKey id not an integer then pass commandKeyDown
end commandKeyDown

This one will trap all numeric keys.
There is no cross-platform difference to manage since the engine will  
understand the command key on Mac OS and the control key on all other  
platforms.
You will have a look to navigation with the arrow keys too :-)
Hope this helps.

Le 1 juil. 05 ? 17:49, Ron Noice a ?crit :

> There's probably a simple way to do this but I'm missing it. I want  
> to prevent the end user from being able to use Ctrl+1 ... Ctrl+4 to  
> navigate through the cards in the stack. This would happen more by  
> accident than on purpose but would be very confusing to the user.
>
> Everything in this application is accessed through card 1 and while  
> other cards are created on-the-fly to hold data, that data is not  
> formatted for viewing and not intended to be seen. So how can I  
> stop the navigation keys from navigating? Thanks. (It will be a Win  
> XP standalone if that makes a difference.)


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From dam-pro.girard at laposte.net  Fri Jul  1 12:18:00 2005
From: dam-pro.girard at laposte.net (Damien Girard)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 18:18:00 +0200
Subject: Select a field (For text writing)
In-Reply-To: <302FB31A-A5EE-4362-87E7-54B87855440C@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <200507011710.24075.dam-pro.girard@laposte.net>
	<302FB31A-A5EE-4362-87E7-54B87855440C@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <1120234680.7043.1.camel@White-Side.WORKGROUP>

Thanks Eric,

I use that :
select the text of <field name>

And this work very fine :)

Girard Damien
Email: dam-pro.girard at laposte.net


Le vendredi 01 juillet 2005 ? 17:23 +0200, Eric Chatonet a ?crit :
> Hi Damien,
> 
> As I regained one's sight (see a previous post) and if I understand  
> correctly (here, I'm not sure) the select command with one of these  
> forms should help you:
> 
> select text of fld <field name> -- but not select fld <field name>  
> which would select the field object
> select before text of fld <field name> -- or: just select before fld  
> <field name>
> select after text of fld <field name> -- or: just select after fld  
> <field name>
> select char 1 to 5 of fld <field name>
> select char 5 to 4 of fld <field name> -- to place the insertion  
> point between two chars
> select char 1, item 2, word 3, line 4 of fld <field name>
> select char 1 to 2 of item 3 of line 4 of fld <field name>
> etc.
> 
> If you want type by script (I did not understand exactly your  
> purpose), see the type command.
> 
> Le 1 juil. 05 ? 17:10, Damien Girard a ?crit :
> 
> > I have got a stack, that show some group. In these group, the user  
> > must write
> > information (in field), I want to know how I can "select" the  
> > field, for when
> > the user show the group, I can directly write the text.
> >
> > Pour les fran?ais (si vous comprenez pas ce que je veux dire en  
> > anglais :D )
> >
> > En fait, j'ai un "stack", et il affiche des groupes, en fait, c'est  
> > groupes
> > aggisent un peu comme la commande ask, quand on l'affiche, on peut  
> > marquer
> > directement le texte ? l'int?rieur du champs. Je voudrai pouvoir  
> > faire la
> > m?me chose, mais avec des groupes.
> 
> 
> Best Regards from Paris,
> 
> Eric Chatonet.
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From see3d at writeme.com  Fri Jul  1 12:19:21 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 12:19:21 -0400
Subject: Suggestion for correcting the IDE's script editor
In-Reply-To: <42C55ADD.9020708@tweedly.net>
References: <002401c57e1f$078e2810$0201a8c0@john>
	<2EB6B7FA-434D-4C67-B7E7-072DC136DA61@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<f44994a4e7f63fce5eba03121ada7435@adelphia.net>
	<42C55ADD.9020708@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <05A5F789-E739-4BEC-A265-FE4027AEEA6E@writeme.com>

Before Apple made WYSIWYG (what you see (on the screen) is what you  
get (on the printer)) the norm, and even before that when displays  
were monospaced character (not graphics) oriented, and printers were  
also monospaced with just one character set, straight printing was an  
ugly unformatted dump of characters.  It was not a pretty sight.  It  
took a lot of work and formatting characters or commands to make a  
printout look pretty (formatted for readability).  So the term pretty  
printing meant the process of printing with the formatting.  However,  
I haven't actually heard the term used in the last 20+ years until  
today.

Dennis

On Jul 1, 2005, at 11:01 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>
>
>> Eric,
>>
>> Is that what it is really called? Pretty printing? Or is that a  
>> translation thing?
>>
>> It just sounds a little funny.
>>
>
> It's really called that.
> I *think* the name was first used in Lisp back in the 60s ....  
> certainly it was in common use by the time I got involved in  
> computers (1970), though it was still a "feature" then; it has  
> become so ubiquitous that the word itself is less frequently needed  
> these days - everyone knows programs should be laid out sensibly  
> (even if they don't agree on what is sensible :-)
>
> -- 
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>
>
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jul  1 12:22:11 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:22:11 -0700
Subject: SPAM
In-Reply-To: <p06200700beea5916a728@[10\.0\.1\.2]>
References: <gemini.iivz5s002jqz4024o.rev@armbase.com>
	<p06200703beea2c6e2fed@[10.0.1.2]>
	<17716248283.20050630171250@ahsoftware.net>
	<p06200700beea5916a728@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <1362216026.20050701092211@ahsoftware.net>

Timothy-

Thursday, June 30, 2005, 7:25:30 PM, you wrote:

TM> I never knew Google had the capacity to do this sort of thing. It's
TM> really troubling. I always thought an email list was equivalent to
TM> private email sent from one person to a bunch of others. Apparently
TM> it's not.

Listservs themselves are private email "clubs". However, anytime
anything is archived on the web it's publicly available. The list
archives do a good first-pass attempt at hiding email addresses and
web site urls, but it's impossible to stay always one step ahead of
clever spammer robots.

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From ron at ecionmicroed.com  Fri Jul  1 12:51:04 2005
From: ron at ecionmicroed.com (Ron Noice)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 12:51:04 -0400
Subject: How to prevent user navigating cards?
In-Reply-To: <52CEFE4B-5515-43F7-B381-71832D19C1A3@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <20057112514.246129@msi98>

Aha! Thanks for pointing me in the right direction, Eric. 
Also, thanks for the great tutorials, plugins, etc. on your web site -- very helpful and useful!

... Ron

______________________________________________
*** From: Eric Chatonet ?(eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com)
*** Dated: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:03:30 +0200

?Hi Ron,

?Have a look at the commandKeyDown message.
?This message has a parameter which corresponds to the key pressed:

?on commandKeyDown pKey
? ? if pKey id not an integer then pass commandKeyDown
?end commandKeyDown

?This one will trap all numeric keys.
?There is no cross-platform difference to manage since the engine will
?understand the command key on Mac OS and the control key on all other
?platforms.
?You will have a look to navigation with the arrow keys too :-)
?Hope this helps.

?Le 1 juil. 05 ??17:49, Ron Noice a ?crit :

?>?There's probably a simple way to do this but I'm missing it. I want
?>?to prevent the end user from being able to use Ctrl+1 ... Ctrl+4 to
?>?navigate through the cards in the stack. This would happen more by
?>?accident than on purpose but would be very confusing to the user.
?>
?>?Everything in this application is accessed through card 1 and while
?>?other cards are created on-the-fly to hold data, that data is not
?>?formatted for viewing and not intended to be seen. So how can I
?>?stop the navigation keys from navigating? Thanks. (It will be a Win
?>?XP standalone if that makes a difference.)


?Best Regards from Paris,

?Eric Chatonet.
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From psahores at easynet.fr  Fri Jul  1 13:00:52 2005
From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 19:00:52 +0200
Subject: Massive distribution
In-Reply-To: <20050701140719.F03ED175510@postfix3-1.free.fr>
References: <20050701140719.F03ED175510@postfix3-1.free.fr>
Message-ID: <E45E78CC-CE54-486C-AFD7-AA2EA96F92F3@easynet.fr>


Le 1 juil. 05 ? 16:09, Yhann a ?crit :

> Hello,
>
> For massive distribution (cd-rom), applications create with  
> Revolution is it a good choice (in comparison with Director's  
> applications) ? Fiability on multiple configurations for the  
> general public ?

Yes
>
> And what is the minimal configuration for an application compiled  
> with Revolution ?
>
> Thanks.
>
> PS : who working with Revolution on Windows system ?

In beetwin others, see MisterX, alias Xavier Bury, as one of ours  
best geeks in about windows (and M3's or speedways passioned.. ;-)
>
> Sorry for my bad english...
>
> --
>
> In french :
>
> La fiabilit? des applications cr??s avec Revolution permet-elle une  
> distribution massive de l'application au grand public, comme cela  
> est le cas avec Director, par exemple.

Oui
>
> Ou est-ce risqu? et pr?f?rable de cr?er des applications avec un  
> d?ploiement r?duit.

Non
>
> Je dois r?aliser des CD-ROM multim?dia pouvant ?tre distribu?s en  
> 3000 exemplaires pour le grand public, et devant donc tourner sur  
> un grand nombre de configurations diff?rentes.

Wouaw
>
> Je n'ai pas trouv? l'info quant ? la configuration minimale  
> n?cessaire pour faire tourner une application r?alis?e avec  
> Revolution (sur la base d'une application "classique", sans  
> particularit? multim?dia) ?

Faut v?rifier mais, je crois que tout est ok de Mac OS 8.1 ? 9.2.2, y  
compris classic, tout ok sous Mac OS X 10.1.5 et +, tout est ok sous  
win32 de 98SE ? XP Home et Professional.
>
> (Je pr?cise que j'utiliserais la version Windows de Revolution, or  
> il me semble que les origines de l'application se trouvent plut?t  
> du c?t? du Macintosh : beaucoup d'entres-vous travaillent sous  
> Windows ?)

C'est mieux de travailler depuis la version windows chaque fois qu'on  
vise le d?ploiement multi-plateforme, les versions Mac ?tant tr?s  
simples ? finaliser quand tous les caprices de windows (l'OS, pas  
Revolution) ont ?t? satisfaits.
>
> Merci pour vos r?ponses, et d?sol? pour l'anglais, tr?s mauvais.
>
> Yhann.

You welcome :-)

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From ridge11103 at btinternet.com  Fri Jul  1 13:24:43 2005
From: ridge11103 at btinternet.com (John Ridge)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 18:24:43 +0100
Subject: Very Humble Pie - [was Re: Transcript arithmetic]
Message-ID: <BEEB3AEB.480C%ridge11103@btinternet.com>

The server upgrade cut me off for a while, which is just as well. In the
interval, I have realised that my post claiming that I had found an
inconsistency in Transcript between IDE and standalones was... well,
actually, I was totally and embarrassingly WRONG.

So please accept my apologies for wasting your time and bandwidth, list -
and especially Ken Ray, who took me seriously (never again, I fear!). And
also Heather, whose recent listmom piece I've just read - I'm taking the
risk of changing the thread name to emphasise that I was wrong. Any
implication that the IDE is less than perfect is hereby fully and
unreservedly withdrawn.

What I have at last noticed is that the version of the stack that I made
into a standalone happened to have been saved in an inconsistent state.
Competent people of course ensure that (a) this can't happen (b) a "startup"
handler fixes it anyway. Oh dear...

Apologies again - I shall now go back to keeping very quiet!

John 


From christian.langers at education.lu  Fri Jul  1 13:28:19 2005
From: christian.langers at education.lu (Christian Langers)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 19:28:19 +0200
Subject: Rev crashing with rawKeyUp/Down
Message-ID: <9C068014-60EC-445C-A08B-25AFDAF49249@education.lu>

Hello,

what could this be ?

When using this handler in a field's script :

on rawKeyUp
     set the cText of this stack to rtftext of me
     pass rawKeyUp
end rawKeyUp

then Revolution (i'm with 2.6) crashes after about 10 lines (just  by  
holding down the enter key)...


What am I doing wrong ?
I noticed this on Mac and Win versions...


Christian

From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul  1 13:49:34 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 19:49:34 +0200
Subject: Rev crashing with rawKeyUp/Down
In-Reply-To: <9C068014-60EC-445C-A08B-25AFDAF49249@education.lu>
References: <9C068014-60EC-445C-A08B-25AFDAF49249@education.lu>
Message-ID: <6E2E910D-4A5D-4FE1-A337-7707FCB946C8@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Christian,

You could prefer to check this at closeField and not each time a key  
is pressed and *only* if necessary (by using a conditional structure  
to compare first).
Good programming does not waste programmer energy neither CPU :-)

Le 1 juil. 05 ? 19:28, Christian Langers a ?crit :

> on rawKeyUp
>     set the cText of this stack to rtftext of me
>     pass rawKeyUp
> end rawKeyUp

Best Regards from Paris,

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From b.xavier at internet.lu  Fri Jul  1 13:55:58 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 19:55:58 +0200
Subject: Massive distribution
In-Reply-To: <20050701140719.F03ED175510@postfix3-1.free.fr>
Message-ID: <20050701175116.A863C824915@mail.runrev.com>

Hi Yhann,

sorry, had my mom wake me up on Skype+VNC for a little scanner help... And
brought me back to cyber world ;)

Desoled my Mom m'a retenu sur Skype+VNC pour un probs scanner ... Donc me
revoila...

Oui you can use rev on a cdrom just like Director. No problems on windows at
all - that i've seen on Windows (2000, xp and 2003). Some minor glitches as
with any language but nothing important.

FR

No prob pour Rev sur tes galettes optiques! Sur l'OS que tu veux ;) 2000 xp
ou 2003. En terminal services, ya des soucis mais si tu mets cela sur cd,
not probs.

Memory requirements depends on what you load in memory (hence a one card
front end GUI approach) or a large background card database. Lots of images
= more memory, etc... But usually PC's handle anything you throw at them as
long as there is disk space for the swap.

Pour la memoire, c'est pas compliqued. plus t'as de graphique ou des cartes
avec donnees dans un stack (une pile en francais), plus il faut de la
memoire, mais noprobs s'il y a de la place pour le swap.

Fiability sur PC - super - je gere des terabytes avec tout les jours... OK,
j'exagere un tout petit peu seulement - mais y'a 9 TBs, 3000 utilisateurs,
300 serveurs qui ne ce se sont jamais plain!... ;)

Reliability on PCs is great. I mamage terabytes with runrev everyday - and
it's just a slight exageration. In 5 years, 9TBs of PC data, 3000 users, 300
servers never complained!

Sorry for my franglish, desolated for le french-glich...
I'll try X-le-talk-du-jour next time ;) Get it? LOL

ciao
Xa

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Yhann
> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 16:09
> To: use-revolution
> Subject: Massive distribution
> 
> Hello,
> 
> For massive distribution (cd-rom), applications create with 
> Revolution is it a good choice (in comparison with Director's 
> applications) ? Fiability on multiple configurations for the 
> general public ?
> 
> And what is the minimal configuration for an application 
> compiled with Revolution ?
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> PS : who working with Revolution on Windows system ?
> 
> Sorry for my bad english...
> 
> --
> 
> In french :
> 
> La fiabilit? des applications cr??s avec Revolution 
> permet-elle une distribution massive de l'application au 
> grand public, comme cela est le cas avec Director, par exemple.
> 
> Ou est-ce risqu? et pr?f?rable de cr?er des applications avec 
> un d?ploiement r?duit.
> 
> Je dois r?aliser des CD-ROM multim?dia pouvant ?tre 
> distribu?s en 3000 exemplaires pour le grand public, et 
> devant donc tourner sur un grand nombre de configurations diff?rentes.
> 
> Je n'ai pas trouv? l'info quant ? la configuration minimale 
> n?cessaire pour faire tourner une application r?alis?e avec 
> Revolution (sur la base d'une application "classique", sans 
> particularit? multim?dia) ?
> 
> (Je pr?cise que j'utiliserais la version Windows de 
> Revolution, or il me semble que les origines de l'application 
> se trouvent plut?t du c?t? du Macintosh : beaucoup 
> d'entres-vous travaillent sous Windows ?)
> 
> Merci pour vos r?ponses, et d?sol? pour l'anglais, tr?s mauvais.
> 
> Yhann.
> 
> 



From christian.langers at education.lu  Fri Jul  1 14:25:10 2005
From: christian.langers at education.lu (Christian Langers)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 20:25:10 +0200
Subject: Rev crashing with rawKeyUp/Down
In-Reply-To: <6E2E910D-4A5D-4FE1-A337-7707FCB946C8@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <9C068014-60EC-445C-A08B-25AFDAF49249@education.lu>
	<6E2E910D-4A5D-4FE1-A337-7707FCB946C8@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <2BE4DE6A-F81E-439B-A363-B96C914FB98F@education.lu>

Bonsoir du Luxembourg, Eric !

Ok, I'll try that energy-saving little thing ;-)


Christian



Le 1 juil. 05 ? 19:49, Eric Chatonet a ?crit :

> Hi Christian,
>
> You could prefer to check this at closeField and not each time a  
> key is pressed and *only* if necessary (by using a conditional  
> structure to compare first).
> Good programming does not waste programmer energy neither CPU :-)
>
> Le 1 juil. 05 ? 19:28, Christian Langers a ?crit :
>
>
>> on rawKeyUp
>>     set the cText of this stack to rtftext of me
>>     pass rawKeyUp
>> end rawKeyUp
>>
>
> Best Regards from Paris,
>
> Eric Chatonet.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> So Smart Software
>
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> Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc.
> Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch
>
> Free plugins and tutorials on my website
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From revolution at jaedworks.com  Fri Jul  1 14:32:45 2005
From: revolution at jaedworks.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 11:32:45 -0700
Subject: Suggestion for correcting the IDE's script editor
In-Reply-To: <f44994a4e7f63fce5eba03121ada7435@adelphia.net>
References: <002401c57e1f$078e2810$0201a8c0@john>
	<2EB6B7FA-434D-4C67-B7E7-072DC136DA61@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<f44994a4e7f63fce5eba03121ada7435@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <p06210252beeb3ab4c9b1@[192.168.2.153]>

At 10:02 AM -0400 7/1/2005, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>Is that what it is really called? Pretty printing? Or is that a 
>translation thing?
>
>It just sounds a little funny.

It's an old programming term. (There was - well, still is - a Unix 
shell program named "pp" for pretty-print, which takes a C source 
file and formats it nicely in accordance with the rules for that 
language.)
-- 
jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
http://www.jaedworks.com


From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Fri Jul  1 15:14:53 2005
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 12:14:53 -0700
Subject: file name or dir changed from the desktop
In-Reply-To: <p06210246beea53bbef2b@[192.168.2.153]>
References: <45968a0c668af9d27bb2ea2ea4052b21@elementarysoftware.com>
	<p06210246beea53bbef2b@[192.168.2.153]>
Message-ID: <f29a9d1e86577af643a3530b70f5e8ae@elementarysoftware.com>

Thanks all,

(Mark, I haven't switched to rev 2.6 yet which may explain why < 
SpankUser > doesn't work here.  :  )

>
-Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust !)
web     http://elementarysoftware.com/
email   scott at elementarysoftware.com

-----------------------------------------------------------------


Recently -Eric Chatonet, Mark Wieder & Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote:

> That's a bad user behaviour (probably rare) but...
> I don't know (may be others will) how to get the information from the 
> desktop manager but when an user saves, you could check first if the 
> file does exists and act accordingly.
> Eric Chatonet.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> So Smart Software

> At 3:13 AM -0700 6/30/2005, Scott Morrow wrote:
>> Although changing the file name of an open file seems like a bad 
>> idea, I'm sure one of my users will do it and then get confused when 
>> their  newly named file doesn't contain the most recent changes.   I 
>> noticed that Appleworks 6 (OSX) doesn't have a problem with the file 
>> name being changed.
>
> It's a design flaw that goes back to HyperCard. HC and Rev alike use 
> hardcoded file paths, rather than filesystem specs. (It's worth noting 
> that some OS X applications do this too and exhibit similar problems.)
>
> In the case of Rev, there's some excuse for it, since a file path is a 
> simple string (and thus can be dealt with easily in Transcript). But 
> it does have the effect that if you change a file's path while it's 
> open, either by renaming it or moving it, things break. I'm not sure 
> there's a good workaround.
> -- 
> jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
> http://www.jaedworks.com


> on ChangeFileNameBehindMyBack
>   Spank User
> end ChangeFileNameBehindMyBack
>
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jul  1 15:18:08 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 14:18:08 -0500
Subject: highlight a button in standalone+.rev app
In-Reply-To: <1120214128.42c51c70b1ea6@webmail.armbase.com>
References: <1120208194.42c505423d749@webmail.armbase.com>	<42C5191D.6010306@fourthworld.com>
	<1120214128.42c51c70b1ea6@webmail.armbase.com>
Message-ID: <42C596F0.10401@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/1/05 5:35 AM, rev at armbase.com wrote:

> I read a lot about custom properties but I don't know of any simple examples.

Our last scripting conference was all about properties -- both built-in 
properties and custom properties. You can download the stack from the 
regular place: <http://support.runrev.com/scriptingconferences/>.

That should tell you what you need, and there are examples throughout 
the stack.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From warren at howsoft.com  Fri Jul  1 15:40:12 2005
From: warren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 16:40:12 -0300
Subject: Suggestion for correcting the IDE's script editor
Message-ID: <002701c57e75$09be5870$0201a8c0@john>

Dear All,

In order for people to become better friends, they have to go through hard
times together. Although previously I was amazed for different reasons, I am
now amazed at how quickly this discussion List can heal itself! I don't have
enough energy to participate this weekend as much as I would like to, but
what I would like to say to you all is thanks very much. Also to "List Mom"
for a great post.

Regards,
Bob




From jbondy at sover.net  Fri Jul  1 16:03:36 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 16:03:36 -0400
Subject: compileIt for revolution?
In-Reply-To: <42C484DF.3060905@tweedly.net>
References: <42C484DF.3060905@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <42C5A198.3050909@sover.net>

Alex:

An excellent post, explaining the theory, showing actual results, and 
summarizing pros and cons.  Thank you!

Jon

===

Jon wrote:

Let's put it differently.  My real interest is in seeing how to optimize 
Rev code to access arrays in general, and image data in specific, as 
rapidly as possible.   

Alex wrote:

<snip>

So the big message for image processing is - don't access it as an 
array, access it as chars in a variable.


<snip>

Although I didn't complete it, I believe this technique applied 
throughout your example would reduce the overall time for this photo of 
mine from around 55 seconds to 10 or 12 seconds.But the cost is some 
ugly, barely maintainable code, and it's still beyond the stretch of 
what a user would be willing to wait for a simple transformation to be 
done.



From kkaufman at snet.net  Fri Jul  1 16:14:13 2005
From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 16:14:13 -0400
Subject: How do I make simple multiple user access app? 
Message-ID: <068198375a2a607da9c3502a8aa7b59b@snet.net>

Hi Keith,
I designed a simple application to keep track of payments to ca. 1000 
accounts.  Originally I went with a single text file, parsed for the 
individual account data which was then loaded into fields in a single 
stack, but I had troubles getting the formatting to work equally well 
on Windows (I develop on Mac OS X).  I ended up using a separate stack 
for each account.  In addition, I have an account selection stack as 
well as a receipt-generating stack.  I use "busy[nameOfStack].txt" 
files as flags; they are created each time the selection stack, the 
receipt stack, or an account stack is opened, and destroyed each time 
the stack is closed.  There are 3 copies of the standalone navigation 
stack being used. When a second user wants to open a stack that is 
already open, a message pops up advising the user to try again in a few 
moments.
We are running this system at a medical office on a Windows Workgroup 
(peer-to-peer) network without problems.  I'd be happy to send you 
copies of the stacks if you'd like to see them.
You would have to make substantial changes to the account stack 
template if you needed to do things which required gathering info. from 
many or all of the accounts.  In addition, if you have many accounts, I 
can't imagine it would be very efficient to have to open and close so 
many stacks in succession. In that case a text-based or a SQL-based 
solution would be far superior.

HTH, Kurt



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Jul  1 13:15:38 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 12:15:38 -0500
Subject: Suggestion for correcting the IDE's script editor 
In-Reply-To: <002401c57e1f$078e2810$0201a8c0@john>
Message-ID: <BEEAE46A.23DFF%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 7/1/05 4:20 AM, "Bob Warren" <warren at howsoft.com> wrote:

> Can we go back to where it all started?

You post was well said, Bob. I've been using xTalk for decades (ouch!) as
well as VB up through VB 6, and I know exactly what you mean (including the
.NET disenfranchisement).

> So here is the synthesis of my suggestion for correcting the IDE's script
> editor. It presumes that programming and design norms are to be taken into
> account, and that likely pitfalls of newcomers are to be avoided as much as
> possible.
> 
> 1. Existing bugs should be removed. The very fact that a newcomer cannot
> easily see the difference between a feature and a bug shows that there is
> something wrong somewhere. Bugs confuse everybody and everything.

Agreed.

> 2. Leave the existing auto-formatting facilities entirely alone.

Yup.

> BUT
> 3. When the auto-formatting is turned off, it means what it says. This means
> that changes to existing text can be made in the manner of a normal text
> editor. TAB creates a single indentation in a single line.

Right - I think it is a bug that turning off auto-formatting still gives you
some level of auto-formatting. :-)

> In addition, perhaps the switch for turning auto-formatting on and off could
> be put in a more convenient place.

Perhaps accessible somewhere through the script editor? Perhaps a button to
take you to the prefs dialog where you make those changes?

> Also, descriptions of auto-formatting and
> the (non-standard) use of the TAB key could be more prominently displayed in
> the Help.

Agreed. 

> Finally, I would like to apologise for the rather confused nature of my
> explanation. On top of my status as a refugee, I am extremely upset at the
> conflict my suggestion seems to have stimulated.

IMHO, sometimes people just have a bad day and want to vent, or are very
protective of certain features, or are resistant to change. My feelings are
that if someone disagrees with someone else, it is fine to make the
disagreement public, but in a respectful and non-aggressive way.

> Perhaps one reason for this
> is that to have new ideas, one must necessarily be provocative, and this is
> easily misinterpreted by those who are motivated to do so. I am seeking to
> deflate the situation by returning to the scene of the crime and re-tracing
> my steps. But only you are able to tell me whether I have succeeded or
> failed.

IMHO you have succeeded in spades.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From douggilliland at gmail.com  Fri Jul  1 16:39:39 2005
From: douggilliland at gmail.com (Douglas Gilliland)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 16:39:39 -0400
Subject: Dreamcard Spell Check
Message-ID: <890e3d2605070113392a57d4f5@mail.gmail.com>

I'm new to Revolution and can't find a spell check built into the
program. Any suggestions other than purchasing a spell check program?
I'm working on a G4 PowerBook, and Tiger's  built-in spell check
doesn't work.
Thanks,
Doug Gilliland


From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  1 16:46:47 2005
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (Erik Hansen)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 13:46:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: a scripted "Save" does not compact?
In-Reply-To: <198DCE91-61CA-444E-B047-1B786CAA01FD@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <20050701204647.22015.qmail@web33005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

is it true that 
a scripted "Save" does not compact?

============

--- Dennis Brown <see3d at writeme.com> wrote:

> Richard,
> 
> Thanks for the tip.  I haven't run into that
> problem yet, because I
> have only created one card stacks.  I do all
> the stuff that one might
> do with multiple cards, with multiple invisible
> groups, and keeping
> different data sets in custom properties.  I
> like the additional
> control I have over the interface, and it also
> makes the stack more
> compact.
> 
> Dennis
> 
> On Jun 30, 2005, at 11:08 PM, Richard Gaskin
> wrote:
> 
> > FWIW, for card deletion there is sometimes
> some space leftover as a
> > result of the hashing scheme used, much as
> there would be for
> > record deletion in most databases.  This can
> be reclaimed with the
> > compact command -- from the Dictionary entry
> for "compact":
> >
> >    When you cut or delete a card, some free
> space is left
> >    within the stack. This empty space is
> reclaimed when
> >    you choose File menu Save. Use the compact
> command to
> >    reclaim this empty space without having to
> save the stack.

erik at erikhansen.org    http://www.erikhansen.org


		
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From see3d at writeme.com  Fri Jul  1 16:56:17 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 16:56:17 -0400
Subject: Dreamcard Spell Check
In-Reply-To: <890e3d2605070113392a57d4f5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <890e3d2605070113392a57d4f5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BA5F293-65FD-4025-A7F8-7EEAF346B87C@writeme.com>

Doug,

Yup, don't waste your money.  I purchased a spelling checker program  
that runs fine in Tiger, but is incompatible with DreamCard IDE.  I  
have already BZ'd it.  I would really like to see the built-in  
checker work in the IDE, I hate misspelling my comments.

Are you looking to spell check inside the IDE or are you looking for  
your application script to spell check in text field inputs?

Dennis

On Jul 1, 2005, at 4:39 PM, Douglas Gilliland wrote:

> I'm new to Revolution and can't find a spell check built into the
> program. Any suggestions other than purchasing a spell check program?
> I'm working on a G4 PowerBook, and Tiger's  built-in spell check
> doesn't work.
> Thanks,
> Doug Gilliland
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jul  1 17:51:47 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 14:51:47 -0700
Subject: [OT] Spammers: one down
Message-ID: <42C5BAF3.4060900@fourthworld.com>

Good reading for those of you concerned about the crippling cost of spam 
on our Internet:


<http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/121678;_ylt=AhySiQT2IaoJxmvQ0qESiq0DW7oF;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl>


Florida man known as the "Timeshare Spammer" has pled guilty to 
violating the U.S. CAN-SPAM Act.

Peter Moshou, who was alleged to have sent millions of unsolicited 
e-mails offering to help people sell their timeshare properties, entered 
the plea this week in U.S. District Court for the District of Northern 
Georgia, according to Earthlink, which has launched a civil lawsuit 
against the spammer.

Moshou is among the first to be convicted under the federal law, known 
as the Controlling the Assault of Non-Solictied Pornography and 
Marketing Act, says Alexandra Trask, an Earthlink spokesperson.
Jail Time, Fines Possible

Moshou now faces sentencing by the Court, she says.

Under the law, Moshou could face jail time or possibly millions of 
dollars in fines, which can be assessed at up to $250 per unsolicited 
e-mail.

Earthlink is also seeking unspecified financial damages from Moshou, who 
was sued by the Atlanta Internet service provider in January.

In addition to the CAN-SPAM violations, Earthlink's lawsuit also charges 
him racketeering and Computer Fraud and Abuse Act violations, the 
company says in a statement.



-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Jul  1 17:51:28 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 16:51:28 -0500
Subject: a scripted "Save" does not compact?
In-Reply-To: <20050701204647.22015.qmail@web33005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20050701204647.22015.qmail@web33005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42C5BAE0.9030907@chipp.com>

Yes

Erik Hansen wrote:
> is it true that 
> a scripted "Save" does not compact?



From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Fri Jul  1 18:45:12 2005
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 17:45:12 -0500
Subject: Dreamcard Spell Check
In-Reply-To: <890e3d2605070113392a57d4f5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <890e3d2605070113392a57d4f5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42C5C778.60500@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Douglas Gilliland wrote:
> I'm new to Revolution and can't find a spell check built into the
> program. Any suggestions other than purchasing a spell check program?
> I'm working on a G4 PowerBook, and Tiger's  built-in spell check
> doesn't work.

Doug,

At the moment I am working on a Spell Checker Plugin for Revolution and 
Dreamcard.  It includes current dictionary(s) and checks the spelling of 
button/field labels as well as field contents.

Give me a few days, I'll get back to work on it, and maybe I'll have 
something for you and everyone else.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
_______________________________________________
Compress Photos for the Web with JPEGCompress
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Jul  1 18:47:16 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 17:47:16 -0500
Subject: Dreamcard Spell Check
In-Reply-To: <890e3d2605070113392a57d4f5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BEEB3224.23E5F%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 7/1/05 3:39 PM, "Douglas Gilliland" <douggilliland at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm new to Revolution and can't find a spell check built into the
> program. Any suggestions other than purchasing a spell check program?
> I'm working on a G4 PowerBook, and Tiger's  built-in spell check
> doesn't work.

You might want to try Hugh Senior's spell checker:

http://www.flexiblelearning.com/xtalk.htm

click on "SpellChecker" link... it was specially built for use in
Revolution.


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com




From b.xavier at internet.lu  Fri Jul  1 19:51:23 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 01:51:23 +0200
Subject: Massive distribution
In-Reply-To: <E45E78CC-CE54-486C-AFD7-AA2EA96F92F3@easynet.fr>
Message-ID: <20050701234633.33A8582494B@mail.runrev.com>

 
 On Behalf Of 
> Pierre Sahores

> > PS : who working with Revolution on Windows system ?
> 
> In beetwin others, see MisterX, alias Xavier Bury, as one of ours  
> best geeks in about windows (and M3's or speedways passioned.. ;-)
> >

You're too kind Pierre ;) Im sure my mom will be happy to hear i've reached
geekdomness ;) All i know, is that i learn all i can... 

And Pierre, that's a Z3 Coupe, not just a plain M3 Sedan - that's like
comparing a C++ to Rev Scripting in the fun side of the equation...

But dont worry about it, my mom doesn't know what rev or c++ is anyway but i
think she's impressing everyone tell them i do c++ ;)

cheers
Xav



From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Fri Jul  1 20:32:29 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 20:32:29 -0400
Subject: Mac scroll wheel
Message-ID: <81B14099-001C-4F41-842C-2B93A223F7E2@conncoll.edu>

I'm using a Logitech mouse with a scroll-wheel in OSX. In a scrolling  
field, it works as usual. In a scrolling group (which contains  
several fields and buttons), it doesn't. It _almost_ does nothing in  
that case, except that it may jigger _one_ of the fields up and down  
a little.

Anyone know how to make it behave?



Charles Hartman
Professor of English, Poet in Residence
Connecticut College
charles.hartman at conncoll.edu
*the Scandroid* is at cherry.conncoll.edu/cohar/Programs







From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Jul  1 20:43:29 2005
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 17:43:29 -0700
Subject: Mac scroll wheel
In-Reply-To: <81B14099-001C-4F41-842C-2B93A223F7E2@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <BEEB3141.1B7F2%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Charles Hartman  wrote:

> I'm using a Logitech mouse with a scroll-wheel in OSX. In a scrolling
> field, it works as usual. In a scrolling group (which contains
> several fields and buttons), it doesn't. It _almost_ does nothing in
> that case, except that it may jigger _one_ of the fields up and down
> a little.
> 
> Anyone know how to make it behave?

This is probably because there's nothing within the group in the space
between your objects to catch mouse messages.  One way to handle this is to
place a transparent object (graphic, image, etc) in the group that spans the
group's rect to catch scroll messages.  I don't have a scrolling mouse in
front of me but believe it might be necessary to trap rawKeyDown messages
since the scroll wheel doesn't send out "standard" mouseDown/mouseUp
messages.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From rpresender at cox.net  Tue Jul 12 22:25:40 2005
From: rpresender at cox.net (Robert Presender)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:25:40 -0700
Subject: Trial Days
In-Reply-To: <20050701015859.F00FD8249CB@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050701015859.F00FD8249CB@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <07a8045d3138d52f9b7f63758021ea1e@cox.net>

Hi Sarah and thanks,

On Fri, 1 Jul 2005  Sarah Reichelt wrote
snip

> I don't see the need for this amount of code. Why do you not want to
> use the English date? I like it because it is a consistent format no
> matter what system settings are in place.

I had assumed from reading the internet keyword doc that this date form 
would not be tied to the system date. I made the wrong assumption. I 
should have checked this out before.
I could make an excuse because of age instead of stupidity!  I have 
used English date.

> Cheers,
> Sarah

Regards ... Bob



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jul  1 23:13:29 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 20:13:29 -0700
Subject: Protecting QT via callbacks?
Message-ID: <42C60659.6090804@fourthworld.com>

I need to ship a CD with a number of QuickTime movie files, and the
client would like to find a way to protect the files if possible.

Since wired sprites seem to have a lot of capability and we have
callbacks in Rev, I'm wondering if we could add a sprite track to the
movie which makes a callback to the player (Rev) and expects a specific
value to be returned; if the movie doesn't get the expected value it
assumes it's running outside of our player and stops playing.

Am I dreaming?  Is this doable?

I have GoLive (which has some cool wired sprite editing built in) and I
can get LiveStagePro if needed.

Thanks in advance for any tips you can offer -

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com



From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Fri Jul  1 23:14:53 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 23:14:53 -0400
Subject: Dreamcard Spell Check
In-Reply-To: <890e3d2605070113392a57d4f5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <890e3d2605070113392a57d4f5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9e0909913af29f2de70c0d87c68aedc6@adelphia.net>

Doug there was a discussion a little while ago on the list about spell 
checkers. Search the google with spell checker and you should turn up a 
couple of freebies.

Here is the link that I use:

http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com

It will produce 45 results about spell checkers. Here is a couple of 
answers from the results:

Spell Catcher X by Cassidy & Green. It works very well w Rev.
Here's the URL:
http://www.casadyg.com/

AND

You might check out something like this:
http://www.nist.gov/dads/HTML/doubleMetaphone.html

There are other similar algorithms also, but basically it would allow
you to make phonetic matches.
You might also look at some of the links here:
http://aspell.sourceforge.net/

And here is another link to spell checker friendly word lists:
http://wordlist.sourceforge.net/

HTH

Tom


On Jul 1, 2005, at 4:39 PM, Douglas Gilliland wrote:

> I'm new to Revolution and can't find a spell check built into the
> program. Any suggestions other than purchasing a spell check program?
> I'm working on a G4 PowerBook, and Tiger's  built-in spell check
> doesn't work.
> Thanks,
> Doug Gilliland
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From katir at hindu.org  Fri Jul  1 23:16:36 2005
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 17:16:36 -1000
Subject: Test to see if IP is propagated to our mail server
Message-ID: <31D6CFE3-819C-45CA-B129-49A8DF6DC828@hindu.org>

test



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Fri Jul  1 23:24:28 2005
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 05:24:28 +0200
Subject: Protecting QT via callbacks?
In-Reply-To: <42C60659.6090804@fourthworld.com>
References: <42C60659.6090804@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <p06200702beebb899aa67@[10.0.0.10]>

At 8:13 PM -0700 7/1/05, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>I need to ship a CD with a number of QuickTime movie files, and the
>client would like to find a way to protect the files if possible.

Have you seen:

QT Movie Data Security:   http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn/tn2038.html

"QuickTime access keys (also referred to as "media keys") make it 
possible to protect data. QuickTime access keys were introduced with 
QuickTime 3. The QuickTime access keys allow an application that 
supplies data to register a password for the data with QuickTime and 
allows a user to enter the password to gain access to the data."

I will need this very same capability soon, it would be very helpful
to know how you make out with implementing this sort of security.

ciao,
sims




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Jul  1 23:44:25 2005
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 20:44:25 -0700
Subject: Protecting QT via callbacks?
In-Reply-To: <42C60659.6090804@fourthworld.com>
References: <42C60659.6090804@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C0BDE7AE-549A-40B5-8CBB-0FAB1CCB21B1@mangomultimedia.com>

On Jul 1, 2005, at 8:13 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> I need to ship a CD with a number of QuickTime movie files, and the
> client would like to find a way to protect the files if possible.
>
> Since wired sprites seem to have a lot of capability and we have
> callbacks in Rev, I'm wondering if we could add a sprite track to the
> movie which makes a callback to the player (Rev) and expects a  
> specific
> value to be returned; if the movie doesn't get the expected value it
> assumes it's running outside of our player and stops playing.
>
> Am I dreaming?  Is this doable?
>
> I have GoLive (which has some cool wired sprite editing built in)  
> and I
> can get LiveStagePro if needed.
>
> Thanks in advance for any tips you can offer -

This is possible though maybe not how you envisioned.  A couple of  
ideas come to mind.

A wired sprite cannot call a function in Rev and get a value back.   
You could open a socket using Rev and a wired sprite could make a  
call to the localhost (127.0.0.1).  You could then return a value  
from Rev but this could easily be picked up by someone watching  
traffic on the machine so it wouldn't be very secure it you were just  
sending back the proper password or something.

If you are using a codec other than Sorenson or you have other media  
types to protect you can use the EnhancedQT external to set variables  
in QuickTime movies.  You can have wired sprites that will basically  
shutdown a movie if the variable isn't the correct value (shut off  
volume, hide all visual media, etc.).  A similar method for doing  
this is talked about in Interactive QuickTime: Authoring Wired Media  
<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1558607463/ 
qid=1120275770/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/002-5692117-1577651? 
v=glance&s=books&n=507846>.

As sims just mentioned in his post you can use media keys if the  
playback environment supports setting those.  The Sorenson codec  
supports media keys but Revolution does not.  Support for this could  
be implemented using an external - <http://developer.apple.com/ 
documentation/QuickTime/APIREF/WorkingWithAccessKeys.htm>.

One thing that has intrigued me for a while is the possibility of  
writing a custom QuickTime component that you can insert into every  
movie.  As I understand it you can have your application register  
components with QuickTime when the app launches meaning it doesn't  
have to be installed.  By only registering the component with your  
app then you could successfully load movies that use your component.   
Any other QT app would fail to work since the component was missing.   
I think this would be possible but I haven't played with it at all.


-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Multimedia
trevor at mangomultimedia.com



From mswindel at santacruz.k12.ca.us  Fri Jul  1 23:46:00 2005
From: mswindel at santacruz.k12.ca.us (Mark Swindell)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 20:46:00 -0700
Subject: test
Message-ID: <94038f398395d7529b26c585d5bf56be@santacruz.k12.ca.us>

just checking...posts have not been appearing



From yoursignup at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  2 00:49:11 2005
From: yoursignup at yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:49:11 -1000
Subject: resume rev backdrop on top bug? 
In-Reply-To: <9cf23b0f7d1d6353cd935c08adab8124@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLEEEBHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>

Tom,

I agree, the backdrop in the IDE falls into the category of an annoyance.

However, there is something that happened to me twice recently that would
only take a few lines of code in the IDE to change and I think is much more
important. There is no confirm, on delete of objects.

Twice I had a group of objects selected, with settings, positioning and
script. I thought I had clicked into an email and hit the delete key.
Unfortunately, the Rev IDE was still the active window and poof everything
was gone. And, as we all know, there is no Undo (at least not that I'm aware
of in 2.51). Anyone have an Undo?

But, a simple "Are you sure you want to delete the selected objects?" would
have been most welcome! Of course, I would love a real Undo, where anything
you have done back XX number of  steps can be undone. But, knowing what it
takes to program this, I'm not even going to suggest it. But, a confirm on
delete, would be nice.

On further reflection, I suppose I could write my own on rawKeyDown handler
that traps the Delete Key, and make sure it's in every stack. But, something
like this really needs to be in the IDE, itself.

Jim

>Now, That might not be a bad enhancement request, but I
>would rather see other enhancements first and just continue rolling my
>own for specific situations.

>Hope this was helpful,

>Tom




From rbarber at yhb.att.ne.jp  Sat Jul  2 00:52:08 2005
From: rbarber at yhb.att.ne.jp (ron barber)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:52:08 +0900
Subject: Mac/Win UI question
In-Reply-To: <20050630215641.21842.qmail@web60521.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050630215641.21842.qmail@web60521.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cbebab3ae562749483f6e9aecb4e91c8@yhb.att.ne.jp>

Hi,

It seems like Mac used to dim menus that had no active/relevant 
menuitems but I don't see that happening anymore. Is that since OS X? 
Menuitems dim but not the menus themselves. See TextEdit, TextWrangler 
our own Rev.

Typically this is occurs when to a Windows or Format menu when no 
window is open.

Apple's HIG (thanks Richard for the link) seems to be ambiguous:
"If all of the items in a menu or submenu are unavailable, the menu or 
submenu title is dimmed. The user can still open the menu, but all of 
its items are dimmed to indicate that these items are not available in 
the present context."

Do you dim only menuitems or do you also dim  the menus on the Mac?


Windows says: "If all items in a menu are disabled, disable its menu 
title. If you disable a menu item or its title, the user can still 
browse to it or choose it."

Is this consistent within the WIN enviroment? Do you dim the menus and 
menuitems appropriately in your apps?

Thanks
Ron



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jul  2 01:28:12 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 22:28:12 -0700
Subject: resume rev backdrop on top bug?
In-Reply-To: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLEEEBHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
References: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLEEEBHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42C625EC.3060700@fourthworld.com>

Jim Bufalini wrote:
> Twice I had a group of objects selected, with settings, positioning and
> script. I thought I had clicked into an email and hit the delete key.
> Unfortunately, the Rev IDE was still the active window and poof everything
> was gone. And, as we all know, there is no Undo (at least not that I'm aware
> of in 2.51). Anyone have an Undo?

I've spent a lot of time dealing with the intricacies of Undo in recent 
weeks, as I'm adding Undo throughout a rather complex app.  You're 
right, it ain't simple. :)

But as far as the engine goes, deletion of objects when the pointer tool 
is active should be completely undoable.  I just tried a few deletions 
in both Rev and MC and they worked fine.

If you can find a recipe for that, please add it to the notes on this 
Undo anomaly I discovered:
<http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2622>

While dirt simple for the user, implementing Undo is a special form of 
hell for developers.  Hopefully with a little assistance we can pin down 
any anomalies and move it closer to perfection.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jul  2 01:54:28 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 22:54:28 -0700
Subject: highlight a button in standalone+.rev app
In-Reply-To: <1120214128.42c51c70b1ea6@webmail.armbase.com>
References: <1120208194.42c505423d749@webmail.armbase.com>	<42C5191D.6010306@fourthworld.com>
	<1120214128.42c51c70b1ea6@webmail.armbase.com>
Message-ID: <42C62C14.4060607@fourthworld.com>

rev at armbase.com wrote:
>>> I'd like to have just one button injector and a system to customise
>>> the function of the button. What I envisage is a drop down list that
>>> enters a script into the button.
>>
>> Have you considered using a custom property instead?
> 
> I hadn't really considered this for one really stupid reason. I have
> not got a clue how custom properties work. I struggled for ages with
> TAB's and then EUREKA!!!!! :-) I cried. I got it and felt so stupid
> because it was so easy.
> 
> I read a lot about custom properties but I don't know of any simple examples.

Thanks for the kind words.  You might also find this "Mini Tutorial on 
Properties" useful:

<http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2005-March/052974.html>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jul  2 02:00:39 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 23:00:39 -0700
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?=5F=5BFrench=5D=5FUn=5Fsite=5Fd=E9di=E9=5F=E0?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?=5FR=E9volution?=
In-Reply-To: <573339F0-BD00-4E01-A225-588D22DB7373@laposte.net>
References: <1gyzmmh.1kgfnk21wxcioxM%mcdomi@free.fr>	<8C477E63-B193-4A77-806B-24908071566F@easynet.fr>	<42C47E27.7000609@fourthworld.com>
	<573339F0-BD00-4E01-A225-588D22DB7373@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <42C62D87.4080103@fourthworld.com>

Ludovic THEBAULT wrote:
>> In the meantime, there are already Japanese and German discussion  
>> boards for Rev, included in the Links page at revJournal:
>> <http://www.revjournal.com/links/index.html>
>>
>> If you start a French list/discussion board I'll happily add it to  
>> that page.
>
> The french list exists, but there is only one message by month !
> here :   http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/revolutionfr/
> 
> We need more participants ! 

I just added it to the revJournal Link pages -- hopefully we can raise 
the group's visibility and attract more membership.  I know there's 
plenty of French-speaking Rev users, so if the word gets out it 
shouldn't be too hard to make that list quite lively.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jul  2 02:38:41 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 23:38:41 -0700
Subject: newTool?
In-Reply-To: <D93975CE-E948-11D9-9F0C-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>
References: <D93975CE-E948-11D9-9F0C-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <42C63671.2030602@fourthworld.com>

Malte Brill wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> seems as if the newTool message is trapped in the frontscript and 
> doesn?t get sent to the card. Is this intended behaviour?
> 
>  From the docs:
> 
> Handle the newTool message if you want to change something when a tool 
> is chosen.
> 
> No way to use it in the IDE?

Use a frontScript.  devolution's main window does that, and it's a 
better move all around since the newTool message is sent to the 
topstack, and usually it's needed in a palette.

And of course, pass the message when you're done. :)

   on newTool
     UpdateMyPalettes
     pass newTool
   end newTool

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jul  2 03:11:00 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 00:11:00 -0700
Subject: compileIt for revolution?
In-Reply-To: <42BA0EEE.6000706@tweedly.net>
References: <20050622014833.81974.qmail@web60517.mail.yahoo.com>	<42B9733D.40801@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<42BA02A9.7000402@fourthworld.com> <42BA0EEE.6000706@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <42C63E04.7040801@fourthworld.com>

Alex Tweedly wrote:

Alex, that's a valuable itemization. I've copied it below in its 
entirety because it's worth a second read.

Has it been logged as a request to BZ?  It would be great to see those 
addressed.

This seems like an opportunity here for someone who's worked 
successfully with the SDK to consider teaming up with others to make a 
nifty Rev-based IDE specifically for making Rev externals.  By taking 
care of all the tedious stuff, it could make crafting externals a lot 
more fun -- and you wouldn't have to leave you C environment for 
testing, since it'd all be under one roof. :)

Could this be done by generating make files and running GCC through 
shell(), or am I dreaming?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com



>>> I am working on this project, but the *confusing* Externals SDK 
>>> doesn't help. 
>>
>> What aspects have you found confusing?
>>
> This is only a start ....
> 
> -  Doesn't say which compilers should work (tells me some that won't - 
> but doesn't say which ones will - and in particular, doesn't say which 
> free ones will :-)
> 
> (It kind of implies that many of them will, maybe even most of them - 
> but a short list of a few that are expected to work would eliminate that 
> as a possible explanation for troubles run into)
> 
> -  Includes a number of examples which are fragments of C code, without 
> any comments describing the interface being provided, and without 
> showing the corresponding Transcript
> 
> - Include samples like XSetArray which is a function using the 
> "built-in" SetArray - but its parameters are never explained, and still 
> something of a mystery.
> 
> - It doesn't include a "tiny, simple" example; I'd like to see a very 
> simple example - e.g. return the string "hello program" - in a separate 
> directory. Not doing OS specific "GetComputerName", not calling QT, not 
> .... just a very, very simple example. With a correspondingly simple Rev 
> stack, and step-by-step instructions (not as detailed as I sent to this 
> list, but some kind of "here's the first thing to do" instructions).
> - it intermingles things which are (apart from exceptional cases) 
> "fixed" with things which are your own, without distinguishing clearly - 
> e.g. "There are two header files you'll need to #include, XCmdGlue.h and 
> external.h. ..." But there is no "external.h" file included in the 
> distribution - it means the header file for your code, which will be 
> anything but "external.h"
> 
> In fact, the distribution includes article.c and article.h - what should 
> happen is that article.c should #include the article.h - but it doesn't, 
> it #includes external.h - which is non-existent, so you're guaranteed a 
> compile failure at step 1. Not likely to inspire confidence.
> 
> - it uses examples where the C functions are named with leading 
> underscores - when prepended underscores was described above as (one of 
> ) the reason(s)  why the Borland compiler won't work
> 
> - it includes extra functions that aren't referenced or used (as far as 
> I can tell). e.g. XGetVar and XGetArray are in convolve_and_life.c - but 
> I can't find anywhere they're used.
> 
>> I wonder if a Rev tool set up for writing C, generating the make file, 
>> and running GCC would address a lot of this with very little effort....


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jul  2 03:17:24 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 00:17:24 -0700
Subject: scripting challenge: Large/Smaller text size
Message-ID: <42C63F84.8080902@fourthworld.com>

Mr. Canyon and anyone else who enjoys an iterative optimization exercise:

A common feature in apps that display text are "Larger"/"Smaller" text 
size options. It seems simple at first glance, but in practice it's hard 
to come up with an especially fast version, given the need to take into 
account any variety of varying sizes in the source text.

If any of you have a script for such a thing, I wonder if the sort of 
group review process that was done with the clock interface would lend 
itself to optimizing this?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From psahores at easynet.fr  Sat Jul  2 04:15:39 2005
From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 10:15:39 +0200
Subject: Massive distribution
In-Reply-To: <20050701234633.33A8582494B@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050701234633.33A8582494B@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <F1D04D3F-5277-4845-BB95-6B53D60A6179@easynet.fr>


Le 2 juil. 05 ? 01:51, MisterX a ?crit :

>
>  On Behalf Of
>
>> Pierre Sahores
>>
>
>
>>> PS : who working with Revolution on Windows system ?
>>>
>>
>> In beetwin others, see MisterX, alias Xavier Bury, as one of ours
>> best geeks in about windows (and M3's or speedways passioned.. ;-)
>>
>>>
>>>
>
> You're too kind Pierre ;) Im sure my mom will be happy to hear i've  
> reached
> geekdomness ;) All i know, is that i learn all i can...

And in learning always and always all what we can, we are going head  
with five to teen years advance over the low-creative marketed /  
buzzed technologies and development methods... When i hear one side :  
"OOP is the best" and second : "Functional langages are more  
powerfull", i always respond : "Why don't you try to use both at  
once, to be sure to get the best from both worlds ? Just try  
Revolution..."
>
> And Pierre, that's a Z3 Coupe, not just a plain M3 Sedan - that's like
> comparing a C++ to Rev Scripting in the fun side of the equation...

My mistake, Xavier ;-) I would'nt want to have you (or me) coding in C 
++ nor Java instead of beeing real creative / high productive  
designers AND developers at the mean time.
>
> But dont worry about it, my mom doesn't know what rev or c++ is  
> anyway but i
> think she's impressing everyone tell them i do c++ ;)
>
> cheers
> Xav
>
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>

--
That's all for yet, Friends, Kind Regards, Pierre Sahores

"The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read  
and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn."  Alvin  
Toffler




From revolution at derbrill.de  Sat Jul  2 04:54:27 2005
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 10:54:27 +0200
Subject: scripting challenge: Large/Smaller text size
In-Reply-To: <20050701234636.9843682497B@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <E53E2934-EAD6-11D9-BCD0-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>

Hi Richard,

A challenge! Jippieh!!!!

ok, here is my first shot.

Create a text field called "test" , a button for growing the text

Script in the button:

on mouseUp
   put the htmlText of fld 1 into theHtml
   replace "size="&quote with "size="&numtoChar(1500) in theHTML
   set the itemdel to numToChar(1500)
   if the number of items of theHTML<>1 then
     put 0 into itemCount
     repeat for each item theItem in theHTML
       add 1 to itemCount
       if itemCount=1 then
         put theItem into newHTML
         next repeat
       end if
       put 1 into counter
       if ">" is in theItem then
         repeat forever
           add 1 to counter
           if char counter of theItem=quote then exit repeat
         end repeat
         put char 1 to counter-1 of theItem into theSize
         put theSize+1 into theSize
         put theSize into char 1 to counter-1 of theItem
       end if
       put quote&theItem after newHTML
     end repeat
     set the htmlText of fld "test" to newHTML
     set the textSize of fld "test" to the effective textSize of fld 
"test"+1
   end if
end mouseUp

I hope this mail gets through. Still having trouble sending mail to the 
list.

Cheers,

Malte

From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Jul  1 11:31:09 2005
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 17:31:09 +0200
Subject: resume rev backdrop on top bug? 
In-Reply-To: <68347d76da7822ef154f4e351c891368@adelphia.net>
References: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEDBHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
	<9cf23b0f7d1d6353cd935c08adab8124@adelphia.net>
	<20FB806D-C65D-4D32-A377-414FBD3B0EB5@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<68347d76da7822ef154f4e351c891368@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <31984A09-0E1F-4B1A-9DA1-4C78DE222FC1@major-k.de>

Hi Thomas McGrath III:

> I have seen patterns used before but did not realize we could use  
> images of our own. Very cool

Bewared of the limit on OS X!

Just tested with an 640*480 pixel JPG:
The resulting "tile" on the OS X background was 512*256 pixel :-/

On windows you can use "bigger" images, if i remember correctly...

> Tom

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From revolution at derbrill.de  Sat Jul  2 05:05:15 2005
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 11:05:15 +0200
Subject: scripting challenge: Large/Smaller text size
In-Reply-To: <20050701234636.9843682497B@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <6751771E-EAD8-11D9-BCD0-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>

Minor correction:

on mouseUp
   put the htmlText of fld 1 into theHtml
   replace "size="&quote with "size="&numtoChar(1500) in theHTML
   set the itemdel to numToChar(1500)
   if the number of items of theHTML<>1 then
     put 0 into itemCount
     repeat for each item theItem in theHTML
       add 1 to itemCount
       if itemCount=1 then
         put theItem into newHTML
         next repeat
       end if
       put 1 into counter
       if ">" is in theItem then
         repeat forever
           add 1 to counter
           if char counter of theItem=quote then exit repeat
         end repeat
         put char 1 to counter-1 of theItem into theSize
         put theSize+1 into theSize
         put theSize into char 1 to counter-1 of theItem
       end if
       put quote&theItem after newHTML
     end repeat
     set the htmlText of fld "test" to newHTML
   end if
   set the textSize of fld "test" to \
       the effective textSize of fld "test"+1
end mouseUp

From revolution at derbrill.de  Sat Jul  2 05:47:51 2005
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 11:47:51 +0200
Subject: test - please ignore
Message-ID: <5AF3079A-EADE-11D9-BCD0-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>

will this go through?



From b.xavier at internet.lu  Sat Jul  2 06:09:57 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 12:09:57 +0200
Subject: scripting challenge: Large/Smaller text size
In-Reply-To: <42C63F84.8080902@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <20050702100502.7D08F824D13@mail.runrev.com>

Richard,

Have tried the html way with <font size=+2> by anychance?

set the htmltext of fld "text" to "<font size+2>"&the htmltext of fld
"text"&"</font>"

Nope... that didn't work but it was worth trying ;)

and so here's the taoo's script in draft form ;)

(sorry, html is just so messy and there's no guarantee of there being a font
size tag anyway... while the field's text does... 

This function is now added to the editNO2 palette - thanks for the ideas
and a few more variants to come.

-- inc is the increment in size (can be negative)

on increasetextsize thisfield, inc
  put the length of fld thisfield into lengthtext
  repeat with x = 1 to lengthText
    get the textsize of char x of fld thisfield
    set the textsize of char x of fld thisfield to it + inc
  end repeat
  -- voila
end increasetextsize

the simpler the script, the easier it is to adapt for other functions... to
other uses like changing colors, lineheight, grids, etc...  

cheers 
Xavier


> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Gaskin
> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 09:17
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: scripting challenge: Large/Smaller text size
> 
> Mr. Canyon and anyone else who enjoys an iterative 
> optimization exercise:
> 
> A common feature in apps that display text are 
> "Larger"/"Smaller" text size options. It seems simple at 
> first glance, but in practice it's hard to come up with an 
> especially fast version, given the need to take into account 
> any variety of varying sizes in the source text.
> 
> If any of you have a script for such a thing, I wonder if the 
> sort of group review process that was done with the clock 
> interface would lend itself to optimizing this?
> 
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World Media Corporation
>   ___________________________________________________________
>   Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
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From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Jul  1 08:00:05 2005
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 14:00:05 +0200
Subject: resume rev backdrop on top bug? 
In-Reply-To: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEDBHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
References: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEDBHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <502818A1-2E58-4FE2-A399-D614A041A10E@major-k.de>

Hi Jim,

> I'm not sure if what's being talked about here is the same thing,  
> but if in
> the IDE, if you turn backdrop on (not even sure where in Edit ->  
> Preferences
> I did that),

it is in the Rev menubar under "View".

> it covers everything, even the taskbar and the only way to get
> to any other program or your desktop is to minimize Rev. Is this the
> "feature" being talked about? If it is, I find it extremely  
> annoying and
> would vote to be able to size the background, like ever other  
> program out
> there (in the PC world anyway). So, what's the number to vote for?
>
> Jim

i just tested this on my PC, and i would say, this is another bug :-/
But it works as exspected on a Mac...

It does not only hide the taskbar but also the Rev menubar, so you  
cannot open
the messagebox or do anything else and you are ehm LICKED :-D

Since i do not often work on my PC i cannot tell if this was the case  
in earlier versions
of Rev < 2.6.

Any hints?


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


P.S.
I don't know why, but i always mark my bugs as "major" in godzilla ;-)



From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Jul  1 03:58:24 2005
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:58:24 +0200
Subject: Suggestion for correcting the IDE's script editor AND Endless
	ranting and rude insults AND other points
In-Reply-To: <3cf28f63122de346c4ff9b27eff7b68f@mac.com>
References: <20050629113214.CAF17824976@mail.runrev.com>
	<812a035aa1c5d419a5955f456c2d9279@mac.com>
	<42C47819.4010700@sover.net>
	<17710044-AC64-4E14-9CF9-4FD50E102A81@writeme.com>
	<3cf28f63122de346c4ff9b27eff7b68f@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CD304BEB-F4C4-4FF2-98FF-C66D981ECC62@major-k.de>

Hi Bj?rnke,

> On Jul 01 2005, at 01:29, Dennis Brown wrote:
>> I would be MORE than happy to segregate my posts into the two  
>> different categories.
>> There is a lot of traffic on this list, it would make sense to  
>> divide up the traffic into these two areas.
>>
> There is an Improve Rev list, but only rich people

what a sad, poor and cheap joke :-/

> are allowed to participate there (aka Enterprise owners). That is  
> RunRev's decision, not mine of course...
>
> sorry
> Bjoernke

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From alex at tweedly.net  Sat Jul  2 06:52:13 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 11:52:13 +0100
Subject: compileIt for revolution?
In-Reply-To: <42C63E04.7040801@fourthworld.com>
References: <20050622014833.81974.qmail@web60517.mail.yahoo.com>	<42B9733D.40801@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<42BA02A9.7000402@fourthworld.com>
	<42BA0EEE.6000706@tweedly.net> <42C63E04.7040801@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <42C671DD.403@tweedly.net>

Richard Gaskin wrote:

> <comments on the externals SDK... snipped>
> Has it been logged as a request to BZ?  It would be great to see those 
> addressed.
>
No, it hasn't - but only because Mark has seen it, and responded to me, 
and I've sent him more suggestions directly, ... and so I'm comfortable 
they will be incorporated into the next version of the SDK; otherwise I 
would create a BZ to put them in.

> This seems like an opportunity here for someone who's worked 
> successfully with the SDK to consider teaming up with others to make a 
> nifty Rev-based IDE specifically for making Rev externals.  By taking 
> care of all the tedious stuff, it could make crafting externals a lot 
> more fun -- and you wouldn't have to leave you C environment for 
> testing, since it'd all be under one roof. :)
>
> Could this be done by generating make files and running GCC through 
> shell(), or am I dreaming?
>
Yes, I think it could be - though I haven't tried it yet.

I'm not so sure about building a useful Rev-based IDE for externals.
Such an IDE would need to consist of the following parts:

 - code editor. Doable - though building a code-aware editor with 
formatting and color (very useful for C) is far from trivial. Might be 
possible to hive this off to an external editor (emacs, BBedit, etc.)

 - create/manage additional files (makefiles, .def files if they're 
needed, etc.) Definitely doable and useful.

 - debugger. Probably impossible.

The "create and manage" files part would be useful in itself (though 
possibly need to handles a number of variants for different compilers); 
and that might be very helpful for people starting to look at externals.

But when writing C externals, I found it pretty easy to follow bad 
pointers, or all the usual C problems - each resulting in access 
violations and termination of the Rev IDE. So I believe a useful IDE for 
C (nowadays) *must* provide a protected environment for running the 
code, and really should provide integrated debugging.

The only way I've found to avoid repeated crashes was to build a small 
"support system" to emulate a small part of the Rev interface, and the I 
can build my external and some test programs in C, test and debug the 
"test prog+external" bundle within a real C environment (Bloodshed in my 
case). Only once I've got that working and at least mostly debugged do I 
try the external from Rev.

This may be purely a result of my poor C programming (although I wrote C 
full-time for a few years, that was nearly 20 years ago, so I really 
have forgotten more about writing C than I still remember). But I 
suspect that most people who aren't experienced, current C programmers 
would find it much the same.

I'd love to hear about the development and testing techniques used by 
experienced external developers.

-- 
Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net



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From yoursignup at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  2 07:05:31 2005
From: yoursignup at yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 01:05:31 -1000
Subject: Undo (was resume rev backdrop on top bug?)
In-Reply-To: <42C625EC.3060700@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLMEEDHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>

Richard,

>But as far as the engine goes, deletion of objects when the pointer tool
>is active should be completely undoable.  I just tried a few deletions
>in both Rev and MC and they worked fine.

I re-tested also. Try this. 1. Select several objects. 2. Hit your Delete
key. 3. Click anywhere on your stack. 4. Now, hit your Undo key. It does not
undo the deletion of objects.

I believe this is because of the one-step undo combined with a lack of
discrimination between an action worthy of undo vs. one that never has to be
undone (ie. a mouse click, itself). When my objects disappeared, I clicked
all over in disbelief that they could be gone without warning.

Again, simplest answer for this right now is an, "Are you sure..."
confirmation message, before deleting objects. Trying to write a real undo
is a major undertaking.

-Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of Richard
Gaskin
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 7:28 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: resume rev backdrop on top bug?


Jim Bufalini wrote:
> Twice I had a group of objects selected, with settings, positioning and
> script. I thought I had clicked into an email and hit the delete key.
> Unfortunately, the Rev IDE was still the active window and poof everything
> was gone. And, as we all know, there is no Undo (at least not that I'm
aware
> of in 2.51). Anyone have an Undo?






From revolution at derbrill.de  Fri Jul  1 05:22:25 2005
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 11:22:25 +0200
Subject: highlight a button in standalone+.rev app
Message-ID: <A3476CAA-EA11-11D9-847A-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>

Hi Bob,

you need to take care that you don?t run into the scriptlimits 
limitation. If you set the script of a button on the fly in a 
standalone, that script will be limited to 10 transcript statements.

What you can do is have all needed script in the card or stack script. 
Then set a customproperty of the button to the name of the handler you 
want to call.

e.G have a cProp called myScript that is set to myCoolHandler

in the button have only this script:

on mouseUp
   send the myScript of me to me
end mouseUp

This will tigger the handler myCoolHandler in your card/stack

Hope that helps,

Malte


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Jul  1 18:49:21 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 17:49:21 -0500
Subject: design problem: fonts and spacing
In-Reply-To: <40905FC7-D81C-488A-9A80-525531089322@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <BEEB32A1.23E60%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 7/1/05 9:41 AM, "Charles Hartman" <charles.hartman at conncoll.edu> wrote:

> 
> It is the case. It's the spaces, not the visible characters, whose
> representation seems to depend on unknown (inaccessible?) contextual
> factors.

Is it possible it's just Palatino? Or did you try other fonts?

Just curious...


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From mark at maseurope.net  Sat Jul  2 07:41:35 2005
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 12:41:35 +0100
Subject: scripting challenge: Large/Smaller text size
In-Reply-To: <20050702100502.7D08F824D13@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050702100502.7D08F824D13@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <33042489b758f15078b8e41f335f249e@maseurope.net>

I think you should get the 'effective' textSize of char x in the 
handler, since if the textSize is inherited from it's owner, which 
maybe the field, the card, stack or whatever, it's own textSize will be 
zero....


Cheers,

Mark

On 2 Jul 2005, at 11:09, MisterX wrote:

> Richard,
>
> Have tried the html way with <font size=+2> by anychance?
>
> set the htmltext of fld "text" to "<font size+2>"&the htmltext of fld
> "text"&"</font>"
>
> Nope... that didn't work but it was worth trying ;)
>
> and so here's the taoo's script in draft form ;)
>
> (sorry, html is just so messy and there's no guarantee of there being 
> a font
> size tag anyway... while the field's text does...
>
> This function is now added to the editNO2 palette - thanks for the 
> ideas
> and a few more variants to come.
>
> -- inc is the increment in size (can be negative)
>
> on increasetextsize thisfield, inc
>   put the length of fld thisfield into lengthtext
>   repeat with x = 1 to lengthText
>     get the textsize of char x of fld thisfield
>     set the textsize of char x of fld thisfield to it + inc
>   end repeat
>   -- voila
> end increasetextsize
>
> the simpler the script, the easier it is to adapt for other 
> functions... to
> other uses like changing colors, lineheight, grids, etc...
>
> cheers
> Xavier
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
>> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of
>> Richard Gaskin
>> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 09:17
>> To: How to use Revolution
>> Subject: scripting challenge: Large/Smaller text size
>>
>> Mr. Canyon and anyone else who enjoys an iterative
>> optimization exercise:
>>
>> A common feature in apps that display text are
>> "Larger"/"Smaller" text size options. It seems simple at
>> first glance, but in practice it's hard to come up with an
>> especially fast version, given the need to take into account
>> any variety of varying sizes in the source text.
>>
>> If any of you have a script for such a thing, I wonder if the
>> sort of group review process that was done with the clock
>> interface would lend itself to optimizing this?
>>
>> --
>>   Richard Gaskin
>>   Fourth World Media Corporation
>>   ___________________________________________________________
>>   Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
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From mark at maseurope.net  Sat Jul  2 07:49:32 2005
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 12:49:32 +0100
Subject: scripting challenge: Large/Smaller text size
In-Reply-To: <33042489b758f15078b8e41f335f249e@maseurope.net>
References: <20050702100502.7D08F824D13@mail.runrev.com>
	<33042489b758f15078b8e41f335f249e@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <3d39bb32537f40a3a4b8243b5c5be5c2@maseurope.net>

But as I just found, on a field with a real lot of text (a field with 
437477 chars), this will be impractically slow....


On 2 Jul 2005, at 12:41, Mark Smith wrote:

> I think you should get the 'effective' textSize of char x in the 
> handler, since if the textSize is inherited from it's owner, which 
> maybe the field, the card, stack or whatever, it's own textSize will 
> be zero....
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mark
>
> On 2 Jul 2005, at 11:09, MisterX wrote:
>
>> Richard,
>>
>> Have tried the html way with <font size=+2> by anychance?
>>
>> set the htmltext of fld "text" to "<font size+2>"&the htmltext of fld
>> "text"&"</font>"
>>
>> Nope... that didn't work but it was worth trying ;)
>>
>> and so here's the taoo's script in draft form ;)
>>
>> (sorry, html is just so messy and there's no guarantee of there being 
>> a font
>> size tag anyway... while the field's text does...
>>
>> This function is now added to the editNO2 palette - thanks for the 
>> ideas
>> and a few more variants to come.
>>
>> -- inc is the increment in size (can be negative)
>>
>> on increasetextsize thisfield, inc
>>   put the length of fld thisfield into lengthtext
>>   repeat with x = 1 to lengthText
>>     get the textsize of char x of fld thisfield
>>     set the textsize of char x of fld thisfield to it + inc
>>   end repeat
>>   -- voila
>> end increasetextsize
>>
>> the simpler the script, the easier it is to adapt for other 
>> functions... to
>> other uses like changing colors, lineheight, grids, etc...
>>
>> cheers
>> Xavier
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
>>> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Richard Gaskin
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 09:17
>>> To: How to use Revolution
>>> Subject: scripting challenge: Large/Smaller text size
>>>
>>> Mr. Canyon and anyone else who enjoys an iterative
>>> optimization exercise:
>>>
>>> A common feature in apps that display text are
>>> "Larger"/"Smaller" text size options. It seems simple at
>>> first glance, but in practice it's hard to come up with an
>>> especially fast version, given the need to take into account
>>> any variety of varying sizes in the source text.
>>>
>>> If any of you have a script for such a thing, I wonder if the
>>> sort of group review process that was done with the clock
>>> interface would lend itself to optimizing this?
>>>
>>> --
>>>   Richard Gaskin
>>>   Fourth World Media Corporation
>>>   ___________________________________________________________
>>>   Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage
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>>
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From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Sat Jul  2 08:03:02 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 08:03:02 -0400
Subject: design problem: fonts and spacing
In-Reply-To: <BEEB32A1.23E60%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <BEEB32A1.23E60%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <9F179F58-9E96-4DFE-9641-9D03395AB138@conncoll.edu>

It might well be just Palatino. I'm just finishing up recasting the  
examples (only) in Courier, and haven't seen a problem there.  
Palatino is probably not a good choice anyway (though it's my  
favorite font for many purposes) -- I see that my 24-point Palatino  
title on the top card of my stack comes out in default-size default- 
font (Arial?) print on Windows.

I assume that's because if a stack calls for a font that isn't  
available on the present system, a default font is substituted. Is  
that right?

That leads to another question: What fonts is it _safe_ to assume one  
will find on Mac, OSX, Windows? (Linux?) I know it's possible to ask  
in a script, but that doesn't help very much with the design problem,  
when something about the font is critical. Is there a list,  
somewhere, of (the presumably very few) fontnames that will always  
work everywhere?

Charles Hartman



On Jul 1, 2005, at 6:49 PM, Ken Ray wrote:

> On 7/1/05 9:41 AM, "Charles Hartman" <charles.hartman at conncoll.edu>  
> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> It is the case. It's the spaces, not the visible characters, whose
>> representation seems to depend on unknown (inaccessible?) contextual
>> factors.
>>
>
> Is it possible it's just Palatino? Or did you try other fonts?
>
> Just curious...
>
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
>
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From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Sat Jul  2 08:18:25 2005
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 08:18:25 -0400
Subject: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0506291238130.4830@vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <BEEBFE51.CC9D%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

I still can't figure out how to get nine to five reports and hypercard to
work with tiger. Hypercard works ok with 10.41 but whenever you use reports
it can't find the report file. I tried putting everything in a separate hard
drive and that made no difference.


On 6/29/05 1:42 PM, "Marty Billingsley" <marty at vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu>
wrote:

> That's just what we've been doing: copying over an old system folder.
> Seems to work just fine; every classic app I've tried (admittedly, haven't
> launched HC since installing Tiger) has worked well.
> 
> cheers,
>   - marty
> 
> --
> Marty Billingsley (marty at ucls.uchicago.edu)
> The University of Chicago Laboratory Schools
> 
> 
> Dan Shafer <revdan at danshafer.com> writes:
>> I can't say what the general case might be, but I *can* report that I
>> merely copied an old System Folder from a Classic install on OS X
>> 10.3 to my Tiger drive after installation and it seems to work fine.
>> I don't use it often and I surely don't push it around much, but it
>> hasn't crashed, broken, complained or otherwise caused a fuss.
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 28, 2005, at 8:46 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Todd and Jim,
>>> 
>>> To be more precise, I was told that you can't install an OS 9.2.2
>>> system folder on any partition where Tiger (or any OS X system) is
>>> already installed.
>>> It does not work: OS 9 must be installed first or installed on
>>> another disk or partition...
>>> At the very worst you have to backup, erase your Tiger disk, make
>>> an OS 9  clean install (just copying an existing system folder is
>>> risky :-) and a Tiger clean install on top :-(
>>> Then when you see the hard disk prices at the moment, it might be a
>>> better solution to buy an external firewire one...
>>> 
>>> Le 28 juin 05 ? 01:22, Todd Higgins a ?crit :
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> This is true.  New machines do not ship with the Classic System
>>>> Folder.  But If you have an existing Macintosh you can just copy
>>>> the System Folder over.
>>>> 
>>>> Todd
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 27, 2005, at 6:34 PM, Jim Hurley wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> I had heard, from a distance source, that a new Mac with Tiger
>>>>> installed will not necessarily include classic. Anybody know
>>>>> whether this is true?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
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From revolution at derbrill.de  Fri Jul  1 11:07:10 2005
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 17:07:10 +0200
Subject: test - ignore
Message-ID: <CC6381B8-EA41-11D9-847A-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>

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From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Sat Jul  2 08:57:39 2005
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 08:57:39 -0400
Subject: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
In-Reply-To: <BEEBFE51.CC9D%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
Message-ID: <BEEC0783.CCA8%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

The error I get is "Reports can't read the stack header and is unable to
proceed. Is your stack password protected?" -- the stack is not password
protected. I have no idea what the stack header is.


On 7/2/05 8:18 AM, "Bill" <bill at bluewatermaritime.com> wrote:

> I still can't figure out how to get nine to five reports and hypercard to
> work with tiger. Hypercard works ok with 10.41 but whenever you use reports
> it can't find the report file. I tried putting everything in a separate hard
> drive and that made no difference.
> 
> 
> On 6/29/05 1:42 PM, "Marty Billingsley" <marty at vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu>
> wrote:
> 
>> That's just what we've been doing: copying over an old system folder.
>> Seems to work just fine; every classic app I've tried (admittedly, haven't
>> launched HC since installing Tiger) has worked well.
>> 
>> cheers,
>>   - marty
>> 
>> --
>> Marty Billingsley (marty at ucls.uchicago.edu)
>> The University of Chicago Laboratory Schools
>> 
>> 
>> Dan Shafer <revdan at danshafer.com> writes:
>>> I can't say what the general case might be, but I *can* report that I
>>> merely copied an old System Folder from a Classic install on OS X
>>> 10.3 to my Tiger drive after installation and it seems to work fine.
>>> I don't use it often and I surely don't push it around much, but it
>>> hasn't crashed, broken, complained or otherwise caused a fuss.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2005, at 8:46 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Todd and Jim,
>>>> 
>>>> To be more precise, I was told that you can't install an OS 9.2.2
>>>> system folder on any partition where Tiger (or any OS X system) is
>>>> already installed.
>>>> It does not work: OS 9 must be installed first or installed on
>>>> another disk or partition...
>>>> At the very worst you have to backup, erase your Tiger disk, make
>>>> an OS 9  clean install (just copying an existing system folder is
>>>> risky :-) and a Tiger clean install on top :-(
>>>> Then when you see the hard disk prices at the moment, it might be a
>>>> better solution to buy an external firewire one...
>>>> 
>>>> Le 28 juin 05 ? 01:22, Todd Higgins a ?crit :
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> This is true.  New machines do not ship with the Classic System
>>>>> Folder.  But If you have an existing Macintosh you can just copy
>>>>> the System Folder over.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Todd
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 27, 2005, at 6:34 PM, Jim Hurley wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I had heard, from a distance source, that a new Mac with Tiger
>>>>>> installed will not necessarily include classic. Anybody know
>>>>>> whether this is true?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
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From mark at maseurope.net  Sat Jul  2 09:08:32 2005
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 14:08:32 +0100
Subject: scripting challenge: Large/Smaller text size
In-Reply-To: <3d39bb32537f40a3a4b8243b5c5be5c2@maseurope.net>
References: <20050702100502.7D08F824D13@mail.runrev.com>
	<33042489b758f15078b8e41f335f249e@maseurope.net>
	<3d39bb32537f40a3a4b8243b5c5be5c2@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <ce34d5d92a8eb04acde49731d50d2318@maseurope.net>

So this is the best I've come up with, on a 1.5Ghz mac powerbook.

on increaseTextSize inc
   lock screen

   put the rtfText of fld 1 into ttext
   replace "{\fs" with " {\fs " in ttext
   --add spaces to make sure tags and their values are separate words

   set the textSize of fld 1 to the effective textSize of fld 1 + inc
   put 0 into c
   repeat
     get wordOffset("{\fs",ttext,c)
     if it > 0 then
       add inc to word it+1+c of ttext
       put it+1+c into c
     else
       exit repeat
     end if
   end repeat

   replace " {\fs " with "{\fs" in ttext
   -- remove previously added spaces
   set the rtfText of fld 1 to ttext
end increaseTextSize

In a field with 20000 words, 2000 of which were of a different size 
than the field as a whole, this took just under 6 seconds to increase 
the size of all the words. Not too impressive compared to AppleWorks 6 
which did it effectively instantaneously.

In a field with only enough text to more or less fill the screen, it 
took a more usable 21 milliseconds.


Cheers,

Mark

On 2 Jul 2005, at 12:49, Mark Smith wrote:

> But as I just found, on a field with a real lot of text (a field with 
> 437477 chars), this will be impractically slow....
>
>
> On 2 Jul 2005, at 12:41, Mark Smith wrote:
>
>> I think you should get the 'effective' textSize of char x in the 
>> handler, since if the textSize is inherited from it's owner, which 
>> maybe the field, the card, stack or whatever, it's own textSize will 
>> be zero....
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On 2 Jul 2005, at 11:09, MisterX wrote:
>>
>>> Richard,
>>>
>>> Have tried the html way with <font size=+2> by anychance?
>>>
>>> set the htmltext of fld "text" to "<font size+2>"&the htmltext of fld
>>> "text"&"</font>"
>>>
>>> Nope... that didn't work but it was worth trying ;)
>>>
>>> and so here's the taoo's script in draft form ;)
>>>
>>> (sorry, html is just so messy and there's no guarantee of there 
>>> being a font
>>> size tag anyway... while the field's text does...
>>>
>>> This function is now added to the editNO2 palette - thanks for the 
>>> ideas
>>> and a few more variants to come.
>>>
>>> -- inc is the increment in size (can be negative)
>>>
>>> on increasetextsize thisfield, inc
>>>   put the length of fld thisfield into lengthtext
>>>   repeat with x = 1 to lengthText
>>>     get the textsize of char x of fld thisfield
>>>     set the textsize of char x of fld thisfield to it + inc
>>>   end repeat
>>>   -- voila
>>> end increasetextsize
>>>
>>> the simpler the script, the easier it is to adapt for other 
>>> functions... to
>>> other uses like changing colors, lineheight, grids, etc...
>>>
>>> cheers
>>> Xavier
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
>>>> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> Richard Gaskin
>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 09:17
>>>> To: How to use Revolution
>>>> Subject: scripting challenge: Large/Smaller text size
>>>>
>>>> Mr. Canyon and anyone else who enjoys an iterative
>>>> optimization exercise:
>>>>
>>>> A common feature in apps that display text are
>>>> "Larger"/"Smaller" text size options. It seems simple at
>>>> first glance, but in practice it's hard to come up with an
>>>> especially fast version, given the need to take into account
>>>> any variety of varying sizes in the source text.
>>>>
>>>> If any of you have a script for such a thing, I wonder if the
>>>> sort of group review process that was done with the clock
>>>> interface would lend itself to optimizing this?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>   Richard Gaskin
>>>>   Fourth World Media Corporation
>>>>   ___________________________________________________________
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sat Jul  2 09:12:37 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 15:12:37 +0200
Subject: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
In-Reply-To: <BEEBFE51.CC9D%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
References: <BEEBFE51.CC9D%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
Message-ID: <0D1701EF-1FB4-450D-A0DA-8C7D8B776951@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Bill,

I found out that HC home paths non longer worked except for stacks  
which are in the same folder than HC itself.
Can be a clue. Not sure.

Le 2 juil. 05 ? 14:18, Bill a ?crit :

> I still can't figure out how to get nine to five reports and  
> hypercard to
> work with tiger. Hypercard works ok with 10.41 but whenever you use  
> reports
> it can't find the report file. I tried putting everything in a  
> separate hard
> drive and that made no difference.


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From gefisher at mac.com  Sat Jul  2 10:04:02 2005
From: gefisher at mac.com (Glenn E. Fisher)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 09:04:02 -0500
Subject: Suggestion for correcting the IDE's script editor 
Message-ID: <8d94da8bd2e70fa22171cda6d0804e29@mac.com>

All,
I vaguely remember from my UNIX and C days that there was a command 
named "cb" that was named "Program Beautifier".  It took C source file 
as input and wrote a file that had the C source in indented and 
structured form.  There was also a command named "uucleanup" that did a 
similar thing with uu (Unix to Unix) transfer scripts.

So it's pretty or beautiful or clean...:-)

This is fun,
Glenn

On July 1, 2005 10:01:49 AM CDT Alex Tweedly <alex at tweedly.net> 
scribbled:
> Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>
>> Eric,
>>
>> Is that what it is really called? Pretty printing? Or is that a 
>> translation thing?
>>
>> It just sounds a little funny.
>
> It's really called that.
> I *think* the name was first used in Lisp back in the 60s .... 
> certainly it was in common use by the time I got involved in computers 
> (1970), though it was still a "feature" then; it has become so 
> ubiquitous that the word itself is less frequently needed these days - 
> everyone knows programs should be laid out sensibly (even if they 
> don't agree on what is sensible :-)
>
> -- 
> Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net

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From 36degrees at runrev.com  Sat Jul  2 10:17:37 2005
From: 36degrees at runrev.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 15:17:37 +0100
Subject: Player will not play long file names!
In-Reply-To: <BED8843B.20F3C%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <BED8843B.20F3C%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <14003B3F-33B9-49C7-8233-747A6D122ED1@runrev.com>

Hi all,

As a work-around for this at the moment, try setting the filename of  
a player to a *real* file URL:
   e.g. file:///Volumes/Primary/Users/mark/Desktop/ 
mask_with_a_really_really_really_long_filename.tiff

This uses a QT function direct, by-passing the engine's present  
limitation of 32 characters on OS X.

Warmest Regards,

Mark Waddingham
Chief Technical Officer.

On 17 Jun 2005, at 21:44, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Recently, Sivakatirswami wrote:
>
>
>> I'm pretty sure this just appeared in Mac OSX-Tiger / Rev 2.6
>>
>
> Nope -- this was present before 2.6.  This bug also may at some times
> involve special (non-Roman) characters.  Good (well, bad really) to  
> see
> someone else run across this.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Development & Design
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From m.young at mac.com  Sat Jul  2 10:24:28 2005
From: m.young at mac.com (M Young)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 08:24:28 -0600
Subject: Dreamcard Spell Check
In-Reply-To: <20050702085131.A8D9A824D11@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050702085131.A8D9A824D11@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <148e2e2e46a4bb5244760418bcdbe8d2@mac.com>

On Jul 2, 2005, at 2:51 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

>
> Doug there was a discussion a little while ago on the list about spell
> checkers. Search the google with spell checker and you should turn up a
> couple of freebies.
>
> Here is the link that I use:
>
> http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com
>
> It will produce 45 results about spell checkers. Here is a couple of
> answers from the results:
>
> Spell Catcher X by Cassidy & Green. It works very well w Rev.
> Here's the URL:
> http://www.casadyg.com/
>
>
Unfortunately, software publisher Casady and Greene went out of 
business.

http://www.macobserver.com/article/2003/07/02.16.shtml

Fortunately, Spell Catcher for MacOS and Windows is still available.

http://www.rainmakerinc.com/

HTH,

Michael Young



From klaus at major-k.de  Sat Jul  2 10:44:53 2005
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 16:44:53 +0200
Subject: Player will not play long file names!
In-Reply-To: <14003B3F-33B9-49C7-8233-747A6D122ED1@runrev.com>
References: <BED8843B.20F3C%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<14003B3F-33B9-49C7-8233-747A6D122ED1@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3D5D48FF-1D82-435D-9428-D418947C5A47@major-k.de>

Hi Mark,

> Hi all,
>
> As a work-around for this at the moment, try setting the filename  
> of a player to a *real* file URL:
>   e.g. file:///Volumes/Primary/Users/mark/Desktop/ 
> mask_with_a_really_really_really_long_filename.tiff
>
> This uses a QT function direct, by-passing the engine's present  
> limitation of 32 characters on OS X.

this is WONDERFUL! How did you know? ;-)

Thank you for this great workaround, very appreciated.

> Warmest Regards,
>
> Mark Waddingham
> Chief Technical Officer.

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From mark at maseurope.net  Sat Jul  2 10:59:03 2005
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 15:59:03 +0100
Subject: scripting challenge: Large/Smaller text size
In-Reply-To: <ce34d5d92a8eb04acde49731d50d2318@maseurope.net>
References: <20050702100502.7D08F824D13@mail.runrev.com>
	<33042489b758f15078b8e41f335f249e@maseurope.net>
	<3d39bb32537f40a3a4b8243b5c5be5c2@maseurope.net>
	<ce34d5d92a8eb04acde49731d50d2318@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <375f673ddeb62a5143c65ad22709d95d@maseurope.net>

So I think I've cracked it...

since the htmltext of a field includes tags only for those parts of the 
text that do not inherit their attributes from their parent, it seems 
to be necessary to generate the appropriate tags for the rest of the 
text, as well. Not doing so produced peculiar results. This took 157 
milliseconds on the same 20000 word field.


on changeTextSize inc
   -- make the tags that will set text to the effective textSize in force
   put "<font size=" & quote & the effective textSize of fld 1 & quote & 
">" into openTag
   put "</font>" into closeTag

   -- get the html
   put the htmltext of fld 1 into ttext


   --this next block sets size tags for all the unsized text

   replace "</font>" with "</font>" & openTag in ttext
   replace "<font size=" with closeTag & "<font size=" in ttext
   replace closeTag & closeTag with closeTag in ttext
    --ugly, i know, but I could'nt see a better way
   put openTag after char 3 of ttext
   -- puts openTag after the intial <p> tag

   --now get all the size values from the size tags
   --via the getHSizes function
   put getHSizes(ttext) into sizeList

   if sizeList is not empty then
     repeat for each line L in sizeList
       put quote & L & quote into pSize
       put quote & L+inc & quote into nSize
       replace "<font size=" & pSize with "<font size=" & nSize in ttext
     end repeat
   end if

   set the htmltext of fld 1 to ttext
end changeTextSize

function getHSizes tt
   put empty into sizeList
   -- turn each tag into an item
   replace "<" with numToChar(28) in tt
   replace ">" with numToChar(28) in tt
   set the itemDelimiter to numToChar(28)
   repeat for each item i in tt
     if "font size=" is in i then
       --if the item is a font size tag then
       --get the value inside the quotes ie font size="14"
       put offset(quote,i) +1 into startChar
       put offset(quote,i,startchar) into endChar
       put char startChar to (startChar + endChar -1) of i into fSize
       if fSize is not among the lines of sizeList then put fSize & cr 
after sizeList
     end if
   end repeat
   return char 1 to -2 of sizeList
end getHSizes


Cheers,

Mark

From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Sat Jul  2 11:17:12 2005
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 08:17:12 -0700
Subject: Player will not play long file names!
In-Reply-To: <14003B3F-33B9-49C7-8233-747A6D122ED1@runrev.com>
References: <BED8843B.20F3C%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<14003B3F-33B9-49C7-8233-747A6D122ED1@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <49D0FB06-D294-45F5-ABE0-451FC094F8EB@mangomultimedia.com>

On Jul 2, 2005, at 7:17 AM, Mark Waddingham wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> As a work-around for this at the moment, try setting the filename  
> of a player to a *real* file URL:
>   e.g. file:///Volumes/Primary/Users/mark/Desktop/ 
> mask_with_a_really_really_really_long_filename.tiff
>
> This uses a QT function direct, by-passing the engine's present  
> limitation of 32 characters on OS X.

Mark,

Does this just pass the file path to QT as a URL, bypassing the FSSpec?


-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Multimedia
trevor at mangomultimedia.com



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sat Jul  2 12:18:37 2005
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 09:18:37 -0700
Subject: Player will not play long file names!
In-Reply-To: <14003B3F-33B9-49C7-8233-747A6D122ED1@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BEEC0C6D.1B8B8%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Mark Waddingham  wrote:

> As a work-around for this at the moment, try setting the filename of
> a player to a *real* file URL:
>  e.g. file:///Volumes/Primary/Users/mark/Desktop/
> mask_with_a_really_really_really_long_filename.tiff

Thanks Mark:

I'm still not clear on how to get this to work.  I've got a bunch of audio
files with long names and spaces in the their names.  I've tried setting the
fileNames to straight filenames, URLencoded filenames, etc, using URL forms
"file:" and "binfile:" and nothing seems to work.

Am I missing something?

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From klaus at major-k.de  Sat Jul  2 12:36:26 2005
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 18:36:26 +0200
Subject: Player will not play long file names!
In-Reply-To: <BEEC0C6D.1B8B8%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <BEEC0C6D.1B8B8%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <87FBEA19-7B90-416D-B00E-8CC754BC075C@major-k.de>

Hi Scott,

> Recently, Mark Waddingham  wrote:
>
>
>> As a work-around for this at the moment, try setting the filename of
>> a player to a *real* file URL:
>>  e.g. file:///Volumes/Primary/Users/mark/Desktop/
>> mask_with_a_really_really_really_long_filename.tiff
>>
>
> Thanks Mark:
>
> I'm still not clear on how to get this to work.  I've got a bunch  
> of audio
> files with long names and spaces in the their names.  I've tried  
> setting the
> fileNames to straight filenames, URLencoded filenames, etc, using  
> URL forms
> "file:" and "binfile:" and nothing seems to work.
>
> Am I missing something?

quick guess:

Do your pathnames start with "file:///Volumes..."
"VOLUMES" is not included in filenames on the boot hd.

> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
> -----
> E: scott at tactilemedia.com
> W: http://www.tactilemedia.com

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From 36degrees at runrev.com  Sat Jul  2 13:44:27 2005
From: 36degrees at runrev.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 18:44:27 +0100
Subject: Player will not play long file names!
In-Reply-To: <49D0FB06-D294-45F5-ABE0-451FC094F8EB@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <BED8843B.20F3C%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<14003B3F-33B9-49C7-8233-747A6D122ED1@runrev.com>
	<49D0FB06-D294-45F5-ABE0-451FC094F8EB@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <22331D89-77CB-4255-9E1D-4C84D699409D@runrev.com>

Hi Trevor,

This just creates a QT Movie using the NewMovieFromDataRef call (with  
dataRefType URLDataHandlerSubType).

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

On 2 Jul 2005, at 16:17, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> On Jul 2, 2005, at 7:17 AM, Mark Waddingham wrote:
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> As a work-around for this at the moment, try setting the filename  
>> of a player to a *real* file URL:
>>   e.g. file:///Volumes/Primary/Users/mark/Desktop/ 
>> mask_with_a_really_really_really_long_filename.tiff
>>
>> This uses a QT function direct, by-passing the engine's present  
>> limitation of 32 characters on OS X.
>>
>
> Mark,
>
> Does this just pass the file path to QT as a URL, bypassing the  
> FSSpec?
>
>
> -- 
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Multimedia
> trevor at mangomultimedia.com
>
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From 36degrees at runrev.com  Sat Jul  2 14:03:37 2005
From: 36degrees at runrev.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 19:03:37 +0100
Subject: Player will not play long file names!
In-Reply-To: <BEEC0C6D.1B8B8%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <BEEC0C6D.1B8B8%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <F006BD6A-BB0E-48B3-9451-C25CF8F5EC7A@runrev.com>

Hi Scott,

If you do
   replace space with "%20" in tURL
then you should get the desired result. (i.e. don't urlEncode)

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

On 2 Jul 2005, at 17:18, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Recently, Mark Waddingham  wrote:
>
>
>> As a work-around for this at the moment, try setting the filename of
>> a player to a *real* file URL:
>>  e.g. file:///Volumes/Primary/Users/mark/Desktop/
>> mask_with_a_really_really_really_long_filename.tiff
>>
>
> Thanks Mark:
>
> I'm still not clear on how to get this to work.  I've got a bunch  
> of audio
> files with long names and spaces in the their names.  I've tried  
> setting the
> fileNames to straight filenames, URLencoded filenames, etc, using  
> URL forms
> "file:" and "binfile:" and nothing seems to work.
>
> Am I missing something?
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
> -----
> E: scott at tactilemedia.com
> W: http://www.tactilemedia.com
>
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From jeff at siphonophore.com  Sat Jul  2 15:03:23 2005
From: jeff at siphonophore.com (jeff reynolds fios)
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 15:03:23 -0400
Subject: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
In-Reply-To: <20050702085131.A8D9A824D11@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050702085131.A8D9A824D11@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <b4360d216766c30a90eb678191200dc4@siphonophore.com>

Hmm, i just got my new powerbook this week with tiger installed, but 
not classic (i think apple has been doing this for at least a year now 
since i have had folks say they didnt have classic and i would just 
have them load it from their system discs). the powerbook tiger system 
discs came with the classic 922 installer on it. i ran it and it 
installed a nice new os922 system folder that works great with tiger. 
tested my old hypercard standalone app and it worked swimmingly. the 
powerbook hard drive was not partitioned and the 922 system folder is 
sitting there right next to the osx system folder.

am i missing something here?

Jeffrey Reynolds

On Jul 2, 2005, at 4:51 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com 
wrote:

> That's just what we've been doing: copying over an old system folder.
> Seems to work just fine; every classic app I've tried (admittedly, 
> haven't
> launched HC since installing Tiger) has worked well.
>
> cheers,
>   - marty
>
> --
> Marty Billingsley (marty at ucls.uchicago.edu)
> The University of Chicago Laboratory Schools
>
>
> Dan Shafer <revdan at danshafer.com> writes:
>> I can't say what the general case might be, but I *can* report that I
>> merely copied an old System Folder from a Classic install on OS X
>> 10.3 to my Tiger drive after installation and it seems to work fine.
>> I don't use it often and I surely don't push it around much, but it
>> hasn't crashed, broken, complained or otherwise caused a fuss.
>>
>>
>> On Jun 28, 2005, at 8:46 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Todd and Jim,
>>>
>>> To be more precise, I was told that you can't install an OS 9.2.2
>>> system folder on any partition where Tiger (or any OS X system) is
>>> already installed.
>>> It does not work: OS 9 must be installed first or installed on
>>> another disk or partition...
>>> At the very worst you have to backup, erase your Tiger disk, make
>>> an OS 9  clean install (just copying an existing system folder is
>>> risky :-) and a Tiger clean install on top :-(
>>> Then when you see the hard disk prices at the moment, it might be a
>>> better solution to buy an external firewire one...
>>>
>>> Le 28 juin 05 ? 01:22, Todd Higgins a ?crit :
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> This is true.  New machines do not ship with the Classic System
>>>> Folder.  But If you have an existing Macintosh you can just copy
>>>> the System Folder over.
>>>>
>>>> Todd
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 27, 2005, at 6:34 PM, Jim Hurley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I had heard, from a distance source, that a new Mac with Tiger
>>>>> installed will not necessarily include classic. Anybody know
>>>>> whether this is true?



From christian.langers at education.lu  Sat Jul  2 15:54:33 2005
From: christian.langers at education.lu (Christian Langers)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 21:54:33 +0200
Subject: need windows engine...
In-Reply-To: <26E8E1BF-962B-4EAA-AC62-69B54EE1D1AE@education.lu>
References: <26E8E1BF-962B-4EAA-AC62-69B54EE1D1AE@education.lu>
Message-ID: <55BAB60E-C8B9-4865-81D3-7B49373CC8B3@education.lu>

Please do not consider the last message...

I just had problems connecting to the site because of my firewall ;  
so now that I know this, I'll be aware of sites disliking firewalls ;-)


Christian



Le 1 juil. 05 ? 17:14, Christian Langers a ?crit :

> Hi everybody,
>
> it seems that you can't download anything from runrev.com, so you  
> can't download the engines neither :-)
>
> Could anybody send me the windows-engine of Revoluiton 2.6. ? (off- 
> list)
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
> Christian
>
> iMacG4 , Powerbook G4, Mac Os X 10.4
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jul  2 15:59:25 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 12:59:25 -0700
Subject: scripting challenge: Large/Smaller text size
In-Reply-To: <375f673ddeb62a5143c65ad22709d95d@maseurope.net>
References: <20050702100502.7D08F824D13@mail.runrev.com>	<33042489b758f15078b8e41f335f249e@maseurope.net>	<3d39bb32537f40a3a4b8243b5c5be5c2@maseurope.net>	<ce34d5d92a8eb04acde49731d50d2318@maseurope.net>
	<375f673ddeb62a5143c65ad22709d95d@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <42C6F21D.8010308@fourthworld.com>

Mark Smith wrote:
> So I think I've cracked it...
> 
> since the htmltext of a field includes tags only for those parts of the 
> text that do not inherit their attributes from their parent, it seems to 
> be necessary to generate the appropriate tags for the rest of the text, 
> as well. Not doing so produced peculiar results. This took 157 
> milliseconds on the same 20000 word field.

That's some damn fine work, Mark.

Anyone beat 157ms on a block of 20,000 words with 2,000 of them styled?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.comm

> 
> on changeTextSize inc
>   -- make the tags that will set text to the effective textSize in force
>   put "<font size=" & quote & the effective textSize of fld 1 & quote & 
> ">" into openTag
>   put "</font>" into closeTag
> 
>   -- get the html
>   put the htmltext of fld 1 into ttext
> 
> 
>   --this next block sets size tags for all the unsized text
> 
>   replace "</font>" with "</font>" & openTag in ttext
>   replace "<font size=" with closeTag & "<font size=" in ttext
>   replace closeTag & closeTag with closeTag in ttext
>    --ugly, i know, but I could'nt see a better way
>   put openTag after char 3 of ttext
>   -- puts openTag after the intial <p> tag
> 
>   --now get all the size values from the size tags
>   --via the getHSizes function
>   put getHSizes(ttext) into sizeList
> 
>   if sizeList is not empty then
>     repeat for each line L in sizeList
>       put quote & L & quote into pSize
>       put quote & L+inc & quote into nSize
>       replace "<font size=" & pSize with "<font size=" & nSize in ttext
>     end repeat
>   end if
> 
>   set the htmltext of fld 1 to ttext
> end changeTextSize
> 
> function getHSizes tt
>   put empty into sizeList
>   -- turn each tag into an item
>   replace "<" with numToChar(28) in tt
>   replace ">" with numToChar(28) in tt
>   set the itemDelimiter to numToChar(28)
>   repeat for each item i in tt
>     if "font size=" is in i then
>       --if the item is a font size tag then
>       --get the value inside the quotes ie font size="14"
>       put offset(quote,i) +1 into startChar
>       put offset(quote,i,startchar) into endChar
>       put char startChar to (startChar + endChar -1) of i into fSize
>       if fSize is not among the lines of sizeList then put fSize & cr 
> after sizeList
>     end if
>   end repeat
>   return char 1 to -2 of sizeList
> end getHSizes
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Mark
> _______________________________________________




From brentj84062 at earthlink.net  Sat Jul  2 16:53:06 2005
From: brentj84062 at earthlink.net (Brent Anderson)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 14:53:06 -0600
Subject: Flashing the screen
Message-ID: <8D439E52-53E1-40F1-B20B-960BF72D0D9C@earthlink.net>

Hello.

In HyperCard there is a command for "Flashing" the screen (Inverting  
it x amount of times). I've gotten a script to work that creates a  
button with an inverted ink, and then shows it and hides it x amount  
of times. The only problem with it is that on many computers i've  
tried it on, it is too slow to look cool. On Mac OS X (The platform I  
need this script for), there is a key stroke you can use if you have  
issues seeing things on the screen. You press Command + Option +  
Control + 8, it will invert the screen. Would there be any way that  
you could pass that to the system, or is it impossible?

Thanks,
Brent Anderson


From alex at tweedly.net  Sat Jul  2 17:07:30 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 22:07:30 +0100
Subject: Turning off the script editor's auto-format feature
In-Reply-To: <1120045876.22742.69.camel@rachmaninov>
References: <022701c57c8b$4c56ea30$0201a8c0@john>
	<1120045876.22742.69.camel@rachmaninov>
Message-ID: <42C70212.3020506@tweedly.net>

Mark Waddingham wrote:

>Hi Bob,
>
>If you go to the Script Editor pane of the Preferences panel you can
>disable the auto-format feature there.
>
>Disabling this option stops the Script Editor from attempting to auto-
>format your code as you type - including not doing auto-complete.
>
>However, there is still one caveat, if you press tab then it auto-
>formats the current handler, rather than putting a 'tab-level' indent
>in.
>  
>
And if you want it to turn off completely (as I think it should), you 
ought to

1. ensure there is a BZ enhancement request to that effect

2. go to where you installed Rev / components / properties palettes
(e.g. in my case, c:/Program Files/Revolution 2.6/components/properties 
palettes/

3. Make a safe copy of the stack file  revscripteditor.rev

4. Make another safe copy of it somewhere else :-)

5. Start up rev, and open this stack, then use the application browser 
to select card "revscript" within it

6. find the field "script" in the right hand pane, and right-click on it 
to edit its script

7. Find the handler    on tabKey

8. insert immediately after the header line for the handler the 
following two lines

> global gREVAutoFormat
> if not gREVAutoFormat then exit tabKey
>
9. Apply this change, save the stack

10. Exit Rev and restart it.

11. Make sure that auto-format is not selected (Edit / Preferences  /  
Script Editor and uncheck auto-format)

and now you should find that TAB no longer auto-formats for you if you 
happen to type it by mistake).

(Done and tested on 2.6 recent - I can't remember how to find the build 
number)

I could make a stack to do this automatically, but it's probably better 
to do it yourself so you know what has gone on. If you wanted you could 
easily do something like
   if not gREVAutoFormat then
      beep
      exit tabKey
   end if

just to get a reminder that the tab didn't do what you might have 
expected.  I thought about making it insert a "space" or even insert 
multiple spaces intelligently - but decided that looked complicated 
enough that I would need to do a lot of testing - and it just doesn't 
seem that important for something that (I hope) will change in some 
fairly near-future release.

-- 
Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net



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From claudi.c at fiberworld.nl  Sat Jul  2 17:23:51 2005
From: claudi.c at fiberworld.nl (Claudi Cornaz)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 23:23:51 +0200
Subject: scripting challenge: Large/Smaller text size
In-Reply-To: <375f673ddeb62a5143c65ad22709d95d@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <95A73D30-EB3F-11D9-965C-000A959BA7DC@fiberworld.nl>

woooooow,

I realy feel humble. I have been working on a text menu with bigger 
smaller as one of the features.
I have been working on it quite a while. I have got it working but now 
as I see these
bautifull and elegant solutions, I can start all over again. (putting a 
couple of checks in of course so not to make
text smaller then 7 pts which gives strange results and a pref for how 
to proceed when  the smallest size in the
selected text reaches 7pts, stopping or leaving that part at 7 pts and 
making the rest smaller)

There are so many ways to do things in runrev and it's very enlightning 
to see how the pros
tackle a problem. One of the best ways to learn for me (and others as 
well I guess)

Couldn't we have chalenges like this, let's say once a week or once a 
month? My guess is that
a lot of people could realy benefit from these chalenges/examples.

In my own solution I used matchChunk to get at all the font tags with a 
size attribute, which
also works but uses a lot more code and altough reaseably fast not in a 
long shot like the code of Mark.

One advantage of all my toiling though, I learned a bit about regex, I 
am not completly confused by it anymore.

Very humbly and awe strikken

Claudi



From revolution at derbrill.de  Sat Jul  2 17:29:01 2005
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 23:29:01 +0200
Subject: scripting challenge: Large/Smaller text size
In-Reply-To: <20050702170002.ABA7B82494F@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4EFC11B9-EB40-11D9-9277-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>

Hi,

Mark, could you please test this script against yours? My machine is 
too slow to get a representative result. Sometimes yours is faster, 
sometimes mine. :-)

on changeSize myChange
   put the htmlText of fld "test" into theHtml
   set the textSize of fld "test" to \
         the effective textSize of fld "test"+1
   replace "size="&quote with "size="&numToChar(1500) in theHTML
   set the itemdel to numToChar(1500)
   if the number of items of theHTML<>1 then
     put 0 into testItem
     repeat for each item theItem in theHTML
       add 1 to testItem
       if testItem<>1 then
       put offset(quote,theitem) into counter
       put char 1 to counter-1 of theItem into theSize
       put theSize+myChange into theSize
       put theSize into char 1 to counter-1 of theItem
       put quote&theItem after newHTML
     else
       put theItem into newHTML
         next repeat
       end if
     end repeat
     set the htmlText of fld "test" to newHTML
   end if
end ChangeSize

Both scripts round about 750 msec on my slobo G4-400 MHz for 10000 
chars with different styles, colors, sizes and fonts in about 600 chars.



From see3d at writeme.com  Sat Jul  2 17:59:54 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 17:59:54 -0400
Subject: Naming conventions [was: Food Fight]
In-Reply-To: <42B9F622.1070900@fourthworld.com>
References: <BEDF36E2.22916%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<42B9F622.1070900@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <54636F70-A1B2-44A0-8C42-40536025E3E7@writeme.com>

Thank you all for your replies on your various style and naming  
conventions.  I have studied them all and have come up with a style I  
think will work for me.

I have started writing my personal style guide which I have appended  
below.  I have not included many of the good style suggestions of  
other's that I like yet, because I have been documenting the areas  
that are different from every one else's style.

I would appreciate anyone taking a look at what I am planning and  
comment if you see something else that I might want to take into  
consideration before I code it into stone ;-)

Dennis



My Personal Style Guide for Transcript Programming

Revolution Transcript has become my programming language of choice  
for my various projects.  These guidelines are designed to create a  
consistency of style in my scripts for my long term benefit in  
maintaining my code.  I will update this document as more issues  
become clear as needing formal structure.

I have chosen the postfix as opposed to the prefix tag scheme because  
I prefer to start my names as something pronounceable --with a silent  
tag.  It may not be applicable for all languages, but this style  
guide is specific to Transcript.  I also do not see the need for over  
specifying the variable types.


Naming Conventions for Variables, Constants, and Custom Properties

Appending the descriptive name with an identifier to determine its  
type and scope will aid in debugging and maintaining scripts.  It  
will also prevent a name used in a script from becoming a new keyword  
in a future release of the program.

Postfix  Meaning                        Examples             Comment

<num>G   Global variable or array       everyonesVar512G     Scope  
across stacks, use with caution*
W        Stack(window) global variable  myStackVarW          Scope  
across sub-stacks**
S        Script local variable          myScriptVarS         Scope  
across script
<num>    Local variable                 myVariable1          Scope  
inside handler
                                           x1,x2,y1,y2,z1,z2    use  
for x,y,z coordinates, or math
                                           i1,i2,i3,i4          use  
as loop indexes
                                           it,a1,b1,c1          use  
for intermediate math results

K        Constant                       myNumberK            Created  
with the constant command (RO)

P        Custom Property                myPropertyP           
Individual property of an object
P        Custom Property Set            myPropertySetP       Set of  
properties of an object (1d array)***


Notes:

Declare all globals at the top of the handler or top of the script if  
they are shared between handlers.
Declare locals at the top of the handler before executable statements.

Use variable names that are descriptive like "filePath1".  Names like  
"a1," "b1," which have no meaning should only be used for nameless  
intermediate results with a scope of less than a few lines --like the  
it variable would be used.

An ordinary variable can be converted into an array variable and back  
again with the split and combine commands, so a separate array  
designator is ambiguous.  Array variables are easy to spot because of  
their usual index: myArray1[index].

*Use globals sparingly. Code written with globals are sometimes  
difficult to debug since the globals can be changed anywhere. This  
means that if two stacks are loaded into the IDE at the same time,  
and both use a global called filePathG, and if either stack changes  
that variable, it is changed for both stacks.  This is great for  
adding new tools, but a nightmare for everything else.  Adding a  
unique number for each stack before the G will make globals with the  
same descriptive name unique between stacks.  There is also a  
registry of prefixes for global names that can be assigned individual  
developers or companies who write tools or otherwise might use  
globals for many users.  I think it would be just as unique placed  
anywhere (front, back, or middle) of the name.

**While this scope is not yet implemented, it should soon be out of  
necessity!  I will use this notation and declare all of these on a  
separate line so that a simple edit will change the scope after it is  
implemented:  global myStackVarW --fix

***My intention is to always use the array notation for accessing  
properties in sets.  I do not see any need to identify these  
differently than any other property because the context will show the  
difference.

Naming Conventions for Custom Handlers and Custom Functions

Capitalize the first character of a custom handler or function name  
to distinguish it from built-in commands and functions.  This will  
also help distinguish custom handlers and functions in the future if  
a new program release includes a new keyword or function that  
conflicts with yours.  I am considering if I should append something  
to the name to show where it is located --W,C,G for stack,card,group  
to make it easier to locate the scripts later.  Possibly F,B for  
front,back scripts also.

on mouseUp
    AddHandler 1,2
end mouseUp

on AddHandler param1,param2
    global resultW --fix
    put AddFunction(param1,param2) into resultW
end AddHandler

on AddFunction param1,param2
    return param1+param2
end AddFunction




From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Sat Jul  2 18:30:21 2005
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 15:30:21 -0700
Subject: scripting challenge: Large/Smaller text size
In-Reply-To: <42C6F21D.8010308@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <BEEC638D.EA66%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

On 7/2/05 12:59 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> Anyone beat 157ms on a block of 20,000 words with 2,000 of them styled?

Applying the filter command might save some milliseconds.

>>   set the itemDelimiter to numToChar(28)
>>   repeat for each item i in tt
>>     if "font size=" is in i then

set the lineDelimiter to numToChar(28)
filter tt with "font size="
repeat for each line L in tt

Mark, would you try it on your data, and post the results, please?

-- Dick




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jul  2 18:43:06 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 15:43:06 -0700
Subject: Naming conventions [was: Food Fight]
In-Reply-To: <54636F70-A1B2-44A0-8C42-40536025E3E7@writeme.com>
References: <BEDF36E2.22916%kray@sonsothunder.com>	<42B9F622.1070900@fourthworld.com>
	<54636F70-A1B2-44A0-8C42-40536025E3E7@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <42C7187A.2040609@fourthworld.com>

Dennis Brown wrote:
> I would appreciate anyone taking a look at what I am planning and  
> comment if you see something else that I might want to take into  
> consideration before I code it into stone ;-)

There's a huge body of xTalk code published over the years by authors 
who use most of what's been documented here:
<http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/scriptstyle.html>

Much of the style you documented is very similar, such as differing in 
placing the "g" at the end rather than the more common practice of 
putting it at the beginning.

Of course one's own personal style is, well, personal, and the rest of 
us can keep our personal opinions to ourselves.  But if you plan on 
trading code with others you might find it easier for author and reader 
alike to adopt widely-used conventions.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sat Jul  2 19:17:29 2005
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 16:17:29 -0700
Subject: Player will not play long file names!
In-Reply-To: <F006BD6A-BB0E-48B3-9451-C25CF8F5EC7A@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BEEC6E99.1B90C%scott@tactilemedia.com>

>> I'm still not clear on how to get this to work.  I've got a bunch
>> of audio files with long names and spaces in the their names.  I've tried
>> setting the
>> fileNames to straight filenames, URLencoded filenames, etc, using
>> URL forms
>> "file:" and "binfile:" and nothing seems to work.
>> 
>> Am I missing something?

> If you do
>  replace space with "%20" in tURL
> then you should get the desired result. (i.e. don't urlEncode)

Success!  A "semi-urlEncode" workaround...

Thank you Mark.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
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W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From wouter.abraham at scarlet.be  Sat Jul  2 19:19:05 2005
From: wouter.abraham at scarlet.be (Buster)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 01:19:05 +0200
Subject: scripting challenge: Large/Smaller text size
In-Reply-To: <42C6F21D.8010308@fourthworld.com>
References: <20050702100502.7D08F824D13@mail.runrev.com>	<33042489b758f15078b8e41f335f249e@maseurope.net>	<3d39bb32537f40a3a4b8243b5c5be5c2@maseurope.net>	<ce34d5d92a8eb04acde49731d50d2318@maseurope.net>
	<375f673ddeb62a5143c65ad22709d95d@maseurope.net>
	<42C6F21D.8010308@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <2B1C4B6E-6E22-44F4-8485-E80B338DC83E@scarlet.be>

Hi,

When reducing textsize by the way of the htmltext there must be a  
little check added on the size itself.
When <font size="8"  is reduced to  <font size="7" by the handlers,  
setting the htmltext will turn it into  <font size="25"
(this goes back to rev 1.1.1)

Greetings,
Wouter

On 02 Jul 2005, at 21:59, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Mark Smith wrote:
>
>> So I think I've cracked it...
>> since the htmltext of a field includes tags only for those parts  
>> of the text that do not inherit their attributes from their  
>> parent, it seems to be necessary to generate the appropriate tags  
>> for the rest of the text, as well. Not doing so produced peculiar  
>> results. This took 157 milliseconds on the same 20000 word field.
>>
>
> That's some damn fine work, Mark.
>
> Anyone beat 157ms on a block of 20,000 words with 2,000 of them  
> styled?
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal
>  _______________________________________________________
>  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.comm
>
>
>> on changeTextSize inc
>>   -- make the tags that will set text to the effective textSize in  
>> force
>>   put "<font size=" & quote & the effective textSize of fld 1 &  
>> quote & ">" into openTag
>>   put "</font>" into closeTag
>>   -- get the html
>>   put the htmltext of fld 1 into ttext
>>   --this next block sets size tags for all the unsized text
>>   replace "</font>" with "</font>" & openTag in ttext
>>   replace "<font size=" with closeTag & "<font size=" in ttext
>>   replace closeTag & closeTag with closeTag in ttext
>>    --ugly, i know, but I could'nt see a better way
>>   put openTag after char 3 of ttext
>>   -- puts openTag after the intial <p> tag
>>   --now get all the size values from the size tags
>>   --via the getHSizes function
>>   put getHSizes(ttext) into sizeList
>>   if sizeList is not empty then
>>     repeat for each line L in sizeList
>>       put quote & L & quote into pSize
>>       put quote & L+inc & quote into nSize
>>       replace "<font size=" & pSize with "<font size=" & nSize in  
>> ttext
>>     end repeat
>>   end if
>>   set the htmltext of fld 1 to ttext
>> end changeTextSize
>> function getHSizes tt
>>   put empty into sizeList
>>   -- turn each tag into an item
>>   replace "<" with numToChar(28) in tt
>>   replace ">" with numToChar(28) in tt
>>   set the itemDelimiter to numToChar(28)
>>   repeat for each item i in tt
>>     if "font size=" is in i then
>>       --if the item is a font size tag then
>>       --get the value inside the quotes ie font size="14"
>>       put offset(quote,i) +1 into startChar
>>       put offset(quote,i,startchar) into endChar
>>       put char startChar to (startChar + endChar -1) of i into fSize
>>       if fSize is not among the lines of sizeList then put fSize &  
>> cr after sizeList
>>     end if
>>   end repeat
>>   return char 1 to -2 of sizeList
>> end getHSizes
>> Cheers,
>> Mark




From wouter.abraham at scarlet.be  Sat Jul  2 19:50:53 2005
From: wouter.abraham at scarlet.be (Buster)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 01:50:53 +0200
Subject: scripting challenge: Large/Smaller text size
In-Reply-To: <42C6F21D.8010308@fourthworld.com>
References: <20050702100502.7D08F824D13@mail.runrev.com>	<33042489b758f15078b8e41f335f249e@maseurope.net>	<3d39bb32537f40a3a4b8243b5c5be5c2@maseurope.net>	<ce34d5d92a8eb04acde49731d50d2318@maseurope.net>
	<375f673ddeb62a5143c65ad22709d95d@maseurope.net>
	<42C6F21D.8010308@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <9C9ED991-18B5-49F8-8F81-7E2CC205E997@scarlet.be>

Also the sizeList returned by the getHSizes function should be sorted  
numeric descending  for enlarging textsize and ascending for reducing  
textsize, lest not to lose some initial size differences of 1

greetings,
Wouter

>
>> on changeTextSize inc
>>   -- make the tags that will set text to the effective textSize in  
>> force
>>   put "<font size=" & quote & the effective textSize of fld 1 &  
>> quote & ">" into openTag
>>   put "</font>" into closeTag
>>   -- get the html
>>   put the htmltext of fld 1 into ttext
>>   --this next block sets size tags for all the unsized text
>>   replace "</font>" with "</font>" & openTag in ttext
>>   replace "<font size=" with closeTag & "<font size=" in ttext
>>   replace closeTag & closeTag with closeTag in ttext
>>    --ugly, i know, but I could'nt see a better way
>>   put openTag after char 3 of ttext
>>   -- puts openTag after the intial <p> tag
>>   --now get all the size values from the size tags
>>   --via the getHSizes function
>>   put getHSizes(ttext) into sizeList

       if inc < 0 then sort sizeList numeric ascending    #####
       else sort sizeList numeric descending    #####

>>   if sizeList is not empty then
         if "8" is among the lines of sizeList and inc > 0 then
              beep
              exit to top
          end if
>>     repeat for each line L in sizeList
>>       put quote & L & quote into pSize
>>       put quote & L+inc & quote into nSize
>>       replace "<font size=" & pSize with "<font size=" & nSize in  
>> ttext
>>     end repeat
>>   end if
>>   set the htmltext of fld 1 to ttext
>> end changeTextSize



>> function getHSizes tt
>>   put empty into sizeList
>>   -- turn each tag into an item
>>   replace "<" with numToChar(28) in tt
>>   replace ">" with numToChar(28) in tt
>>   set the itemDelimiter to numToChar(28)
>>   repeat for each item i in tt
>>     if "font size=" is in i then
>>       --if the item is a font size tag then
>>       --get the value inside the quotes ie font size="14"
>>       put offset(quote,i) +1 into startChar
>>       put offset(quote,i,startchar) into endChar
>>       put char startChar to (startChar + endChar -1) of i into fSize
>>       if fSize is not among the lines of sizeList then put fSize &  
>> cr after sizeList
>>     end if
>>   end repeat
>>   return char 1 to -2 of sizeList
>> end getHSizes
>> Cheers,
>> Mark



From wouter.abraham at scarlet.be  Sat Jul  2 19:56:21 2005
From: wouter.abraham at scarlet.be (Buster)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 01:56:21 +0200
Subject: scripting challenge: Large/Smaller text size
In-Reply-To: <9C9ED991-18B5-49F8-8F81-7E2CC205E997@scarlet.be>
References: <20050702100502.7D08F824D13@mail.runrev.com>	<33042489b758f15078b8e41f335f249e@maseurope.net>	<3d39bb32537f40a3a4b8243b5c5be5c2@maseurope.net>	<ce34d5d92a8eb04acde49731d50d2318@maseurope.net>
	<375f673ddeb62a5143c65ad22709d95d@maseurope.net>
	<42C6F21D.8010308@fourthworld.com>
	<9C9ED991-18B5-49F8-8F81-7E2CC205E997@scarlet.be>
Message-ID: <FB074364-0AB2-4AC8-AE6C-CF72AD7A8E69@scarlet.be>

Damn typo


On 03 Jul 2005, at 01:50, Buster wrote:

>   if "8" is among the lines of sizeList and inc > 0 then
>              beep
>              exit to top
>          end if
>

must be:

   if "8" is among the lines of sizeList and inc < 0 then
              beep
              exit to top
          end if


Sorry,
Wouter

From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Sat Jul  2 18:23:38 2005
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 18:23:38 -0400
Subject: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
In-Reply-To: <b4360d216766c30a90eb678191200dc4@siphonophore.com>
Message-ID: <BEEC8C2A.CCDC%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

The problem is nine to five reports under hypercard


On 7/2/05 3:03 PM, "jeff reynolds fios" <jeff at siphonophore.com> wrote:

> Hmm, i just got my new powerbook this week with tiger installed, but
> not classic (i think apple has been doing this for at least a year now
> since i have had folks say they didnt have classic and i would just
> have them load it from their system discs). the powerbook tiger system
> discs came with the classic 922 installer on it. i ran it and it
> installed a nice new os922 system folder that works great with tiger.
> tested my old hypercard standalone app and it worked swimmingly. the
> powerbook hard drive was not partitioned and the 922 system folder is
> sitting there right next to the osx system folder.
> 
> am i missing something here?
> 
> Jeffrey Reynolds
> 
> On Jul 2, 2005, at 4:51 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com
> wrote:
> 
>> That's just what we've been doing: copying over an old system folder.
>> Seems to work just fine; every classic app I've tried (admittedly,
>> haven't
>> launched HC since installing Tiger) has worked well.
>> 
>> cheers,
>>   - marty
>> 
>> --
>> Marty Billingsley (marty at ucls.uchicago.edu)
>> The University of Chicago Laboratory Schools
>> 
>> 
>> Dan Shafer <revdan at danshafer.com> writes:
>>> I can't say what the general case might be, but I *can* report that I
>>> merely copied an old System Folder from a Classic install on OS X
>>> 10.3 to my Tiger drive after installation and it seems to work fine.
>>> I don't use it often and I surely don't push it around much, but it
>>> hasn't crashed, broken, complained or otherwise caused a fuss.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2005, at 8:46 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Todd and Jim,
>>>> 
>>>> To be more precise, I was told that you can't install an OS 9.2.2
>>>> system folder on any partition where Tiger (or any OS X system) is
>>>> already installed.
>>>> It does not work: OS 9 must be installed first or installed on
>>>> another disk or partition...
>>>> At the very worst you have to backup, erase your Tiger disk, make
>>>> an OS 9  clean install (just copying an existing system folder is
>>>> risky :-) and a Tiger clean install on top :-(
>>>> Then when you see the hard disk prices at the moment, it might be a
>>>> better solution to buy an external firewire one...
>>>> 
>>>> Le 28 juin 05 ? 01:22, Todd Higgins a ?crit :
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> This is true.  New machines do not ship with the Classic System
>>>>> Folder.  But If you have an existing Macintosh you can just copy
>>>>> the System Folder over.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Todd
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 27, 2005, at 6:34 PM, Jim Hurley wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I had heard, from a distance source, that a new Mac with Tiger
>>>>>> installed will not necessarily include classic. Anybody know
>>>>>> whether this is true?
> 
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From mark at maseurope.net  Sat Jul  2 20:38:35 2005
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 01:38:35 +0100
Subject: scripting challenge: Large/Smaller text size
In-Reply-To: <4EFC11B9-EB40-11D9-9277-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>
References: <4EFC11B9-EB40-11D9-9277-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <cbfb0156fc1ec64638280301ebf02e42@maseurope.net>

You win! 140 to 150 on the same machine that I got 157 on (actually, 
150ish to 160ish, 157 was just the last time...)

Mark

On 2 Jul 2005, at 22:29, Malte Brill wrote:

> on changeSize myChange
>   put the htmlText of fld "test" into theHtml
>   set the textSize of fld "test" to \
>         the effective textSize of fld "test"+1
>   replace "size="&quote with "size="&numToChar(1500) in theHTML
>   set the itemdel to numToChar(1500)
>   if the number of items of theHTML<>1 then
>     put 0 into testItem
>     repeat for each item theItem in theHTML
>       add 1 to testItem
>       if testItem<>1 then
>       put offset(quote,theitem) into counter
>       put char 1 to counter-1 of theItem into theSize
>       put theSize+myChange into theSize
>       put theSize into char 1 to counter-1 of theItem
>       put quote&theItem after newHTML
>     else
>       put theItem into newHTML
>         next repeat
>       end if
>     end repeat
>     set the htmlText of fld "test" to newHTML
>   end if
> end ChangeSize



From mark at maseurope.net  Sat Jul  2 20:43:39 2005
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 01:43:39 +0100
Subject: scripting challenge: Large/Smaller text size
In-Reply-To: <9C9ED991-18B5-49F8-8F81-7E2CC205E997@scarlet.be>
References: <20050702100502.7D08F824D13@mail.runrev.com>	<33042489b758f15078b8e41f335f249e@maseurope.net>	<3d39bb32537f40a3a4b8243b5c5be5c2@maseurope.net>	<ce34d5d92a8eb04acde49731d50d2318@maseurope.net>
	<375f673ddeb62a5143c65ad22709d95d@maseurope.net>
	<42C6F21D.8010308@fourthworld.com>
	<9C9ED991-18B5-49F8-8F81-7E2CC205E997@scarlet.be>
Message-ID: <d19ce71a1c82a3e5fb7c5f852b4a4538@maseurope.net>

Good points. I knew a check for limits would be necessary, but I hadn't 
considered the implications of the sizeList being unsorted.

Mark

On 3 Jul 2005, at 00:50, Buster wrote:

> Also the sizeList returned by the getHSizes function should be sorted 
> numeric descending  for enlarging textsize and ascending for reducing 
> textsize, lest not to lose some initial size differences of 1
>
> greetings,
> Wouter
>
>>
>>> on changeTextSize inc
>>>   -- make the tags that will set text to the effective textSize in 
>>> force
>>>   put "<font size=" & quote & the effective textSize of fld 1 & 
>>> quote & ">" into openTag
>>>   put "</font>" into closeTag
>>>   -- get the html
>>>   put the htmltext of fld 1 into ttext
>>>   --this next block sets size tags for all the unsized text
>>>   replace "</font>" with "</font>" & openTag in ttext
>>>   replace "<font size=" with closeTag & "<font size=" in ttext
>>>   replace closeTag & closeTag with closeTag in ttext
>>>    --ugly, i know, but I could'nt see a better way
>>>   put openTag after char 3 of ttext
>>>   -- puts openTag after the intial <p> tag
>>>   --now get all the size values from the size tags
>>>   --via the getHSizes function
>>>   put getHSizes(ttext) into sizeList
>
>       if inc < 0 then sort sizeList numeric ascending    #####
>       else sort sizeList numeric descending    #####
>
>>>   if sizeList is not empty then
>         if "8" is among the lines of sizeList and inc > 0 then
>              beep
>              exit to top
>          end if
>>>     repeat for each line L in sizeList
>>>       put quote & L & quote into pSize
>>>       put quote & L+inc & quote into nSize
>>>       replace "<font size=" & pSize with "<font size=" & nSize in 
>>> ttext
>>>     end repeat
>>>   end if
>>>   set the htmltext of fld 1 to ttext
>>> end changeTextSize
>
>
>
>>> function getHSizes tt
>>>   put empty into sizeList
>>>   -- turn each tag into an item
>>>   replace "<" with numToChar(28) in tt
>>>   replace ">" with numToChar(28) in tt
>>>   set the itemDelimiter to numToChar(28)
>>>   repeat for each item i in tt
>>>     if "font size=" is in i then
>>>       --if the item is a font size tag then
>>>       --get the value inside the quotes ie font size="14"
>>>       put offset(quote,i) +1 into startChar
>>>       put offset(quote,i,startchar) into endChar
>>>       put char startChar to (startChar + endChar -1) of i into fSize
>>>       if fSize is not among the lines of sizeList then put fSize & 
>>> cr after sizeList
>>>     end if
>>>   end repeat
>>>   return char 1 to -2 of sizeList
>>> end getHSizes
>>> Cheers,
>>> Mark
>
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From wouter.abraham at scarlet.be  Sat Jul  2 21:06:11 2005
From: wouter.abraham at scarlet.be (Buster)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 03:06:11 +0200
Subject: scripting challenge: Large/Smaller text size
In-Reply-To: <d19ce71a1c82a3e5fb7c5f852b4a4538@maseurope.net>
References: <20050702100502.7D08F824D13@mail.runrev.com>	<33042489b758f15078b8e41f335f249e@maseurope.net>	<3d39bb32537f40a3a4b8243b5c5be5c2@maseurope.net>	<ce34d5d92a8eb04acde49731d50d2318@maseurope.net>
	<375f673ddeb62a5143c65ad22709d95d@maseurope.net>
	<42C6F21D.8010308@fourthworld.com>
	<9C9ED991-18B5-49F8-8F81-7E2CC205E997@scarlet.be>
	<d19ce71a1c82a3e5fb7c5f852b4a4538@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <EB819A97-3BA0-4E05-A966-100CB64915FE@scarlet.be>

One last remark, if you change a font face then the code breaks for  
that part as the font face tag precedes the size tag.
for example:   <font face="Courier" size="11">
But you'll find a solution :-)

Greetings,
Wouter


On 03 Jul 2005, at 02:43, Mark Smith wrote:

> Good points. I knew a check for limits would be necessary, but I  
> hadn't considered the implications of the sizeList being unsorted.
>
> Mark
>
> On 3 Jul 2005, at 00:50, Buster wrote:
>
>
>> Also the sizeList returned by the getHSizes function should be  
>> sorted numeric descending  for enlarging textsize and ascending  
>> for reducing textsize, lest not to lose some initial size  
>> differences of 1
>>
>> greetings,
>> Wouter
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> on changeTextSize inc
>>>>   -- make the tags that will set text to the effective textSize  
>>>> in force
>>>>   put "<font size=" & quote & the effective textSize of fld 1 &  
>>>> quote & ">" into openTag
>>>>   put "</font>" into closeTag
>>>>   -- get the html
>>>>   put the htmltext of fld 1 into ttext
>>>>   --this next block sets size tags for all the unsized text
>>>>   replace "</font>" with "</font>" & openTag in ttext
>>>>   replace "<font size=" with closeTag & "<font size=" in ttext
>>>>   replace closeTag & closeTag with closeTag in ttext
>>>>    --ugly, i know, but I could'nt see a better way
>>>>   put openTag after char 3 of ttext
>>>>   -- puts openTag after the intial <p> tag
>>>>   --now get all the size values from the size tags
>>>>   --via the getHSizes function
>>>>   put getHSizes(ttext) into sizeList
>>>>
>>
>>       if inc < 0 then sort sizeList numeric ascending    #####
>>       else sort sizeList numeric descending    #####
>>
>>
>>>>   if sizeList is not empty then
>>>>
>>         if "8" is among the lines of sizeList and inc > 0 then
>>              beep
>>              exit to top
>>          end if
>>
>>>>     repeat for each line L in sizeList
>>>>       put quote & L & quote into pSize
>>>>       put quote & L+inc & quote into nSize
>>>>       replace "<font size=" & pSize with "<font size=" & nSize  
>>>> in ttext
>>>>     end repeat
>>>>   end if
>>>>   set the htmltext of fld 1 to ttext
>>>> end changeTextSize
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>> function getHSizes tt
>>>>   put empty into sizeList
>>>>   -- turn each tag into an item
>>>>   replace "<" with numToChar(28) in tt
>>>>   replace ">" with numToChar(28) in tt
>>>>   set the itemDelimiter to numToChar(28)
>>>>   repeat for each item i in tt
>>>>     if "font size=" is in i then
>>>>       --if the item is a font size tag then
>>>>       --get the value inside the quotes ie font size="14"
>>>>       put offset(quote,i) +1 into startChar
>>>>       put offset(quote,i,startchar) into endChar
>>>>       put char startChar to (startChar + endChar -1) of i into  
>>>> fSize
>>>>       if fSize is not among the lines of sizeList then put fSize  
>>>> & cr after sizeList
>>>>     end if
>>>>   end repeat
>>>>   return char 1 to -2 of sizeList
>>>> end getHSizes
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>
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From see3d at writeme.com  Sat Jul  2 21:17:33 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 21:17:33 -0400
Subject: Naming conventions [was: Food Fight]
In-Reply-To: <42C7187A.2040609@fourthworld.com>
References: <BEDF36E2.22916%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<42B9F622.1070900@fourthworld.com>
	<54636F70-A1B2-44A0-8C42-40536025E3E7@writeme.com>
	<42C7187A.2040609@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <571BA01E-21C3-4931-8929-5ADAC64005DD@writeme.com>

Thank you Richard,

Yes, I studied your well written guide before I decided what I wanted  
to do.  The Hungarian and I could just not see eye-to-eye, and I was  
never that good with foreign languages --just a little Latin and  
Spanish;-)  I read my code "out loud" in my head, and I could not get  
past the silent t,g,p etc., in every variable name, so I decided to  
put them at the end where I could just stop pronouncing at the end of  
the word --that seemed natural for me, kind of like name.txt.  I also  
tried to simplify things to the absolute essentials for my needs.  I  
doubt that anyone will have trouble reading my scripts any more than  
if I used no tags at all, which is what I am doing now.  Perhaps a  
few other inventive users who have forsaken all tags (for the same  
reasons that I have) can see themselves clear to using a version of  
the style like I am hammering out for my personal use.  You know how  
it is with us inventors --yes, I really am one.  Besides, I could  
probably write a script that would read in my script style and spit  
it back out in Hungarian if I really needed it to.  Perhaps we could  
make it an official BabelFish translation.  LOL

Dennis


On Jul 2, 2005, at 6:43 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Dennis Brown wrote:
>
>> I would appreciate anyone taking a look at what I am planning and   
>> comment if you see something else that I might want to take into   
>> consideration before I code it into stone ;-)
>>
>
> There's a huge body of xTalk code published over the years by  
> authors who use most of what's been documented here:
> <http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/scriptstyle.html>
>
> Much of the style you documented is very similar, such as differing  
> in placing the "g" at the end rather than the more common practice  
> of putting it at the beginning.
>
> Of course one's own personal style is, well, personal, and the rest  
> of us can keep our personal opinions to ourselves.  But if you plan  
> on trading code with others you might find it easier for author and  
> reader alike to adopt widely-used conventions.
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal
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From warren at howsoft.com  Sat Jul  2 21:39:24 2005
From: warren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 22:39:24 -0300
Subject: Turning off the script editor's auto-format feature
Message-ID: <003401c57f70$8b6abca0$0201a8c0@john>

Dear Alex,

Works a treat! Thank you very much indeed.
I shall be putting in a BZ enhancement request.

Best,
Bob

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alex Tweedly" <alex at tweedly.net>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: "Bob Warren" <warren at howsoft.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: Turning off the script editor's auto-format feature


> Mark Waddingham wrote:
> 
> >Hi Bob,
> >
> >If you go to the Script Editor pane of the Preferences panel you can
> >disable the auto-format feature there.
> >
> >Disabling this option stops the Script Editor from attempting to auto-
> >format your code as you type - including not doing auto-complete.
> >
> >However, there is still one caveat, if you press tab then it auto-
> >formats the current handler, rather than putting a 'tab-level' indent
> >in.
> >  
> >
> And if you want it to turn off completely (as I think it should), you 
> ought to
> 
> 1. ensure there is a BZ enhancement request to that effect
> 
> 2. go to where you installed Rev / components / properties palettes
> (e.g. in my case, c:/Program Files/Revolution 2.6/components/properties 
> palettes/
> 
> 3. Make a safe copy of the stack file  revscripteditor.rev
> 
> 4. Make another safe copy of it somewhere else :-)
> 
> 5. Start up rev, and open this stack, then use the application browser 
> to select card "revscript" within it
> 
> 6. find the field "script" in the right hand pane, and right-click on it 
> to edit its script
> 
> 7. Find the handler    on tabKey
> 
> 8. insert immediately after the header line for the handler the 
> following two lines
> 
> > global gREVAutoFormat
> > if not gREVAutoFormat then exit tabKey
> >
> 9. Apply this change, save the stack
> 
> 10. Exit Rev and restart it.
> 
> 11. Make sure that auto-format is not selected (Edit / Preferences  /  
> Script Editor and uncheck auto-format)
> 
> and now you should find that TAB no longer auto-formats for you if you 
> happen to type it by mistake).
> 
> (Done and tested on 2.6 recent - I can't remember how to find the build 
> number)
> 
> I could make a stack to do this automatically, but it's probably better 
> to do it yourself so you know what has gone on. If you wanted you could 
> easily do something like
>    if not gREVAutoFormat then
>       beep
>       exit tabKey
>    end if
> 
> just to get a reminder that the tab didn't do what you might have 
> expected.  I thought about making it insert a "space" or even insert 
> multiple spaces intelligently - but decided that looked complicated 
> enough that I would need to do a lot of testing - and it just doesn't 
> seem that important for something that (I hope) will change in some 
> fairly near-future release.
> 
> -- 
> Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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From mark at maseurope.net  Sat Jul  2 22:13:41 2005
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 03:13:41 +0100
Subject: scripting challenge: Large/Smaller text size
In-Reply-To: <d19ce71a1c82a3e5fb7c5f852b4a4538@maseurope.net>
References: <20050702100502.7D08F824D13@mail.runrev.com>	<33042489b758f15078b8e41f335f249e@maseurope.net>	<3d39bb32537f40a3a4b8243b5c5be5c2@maseurope.net>	<ce34d5d92a8eb04acde49731d50d2318@maseurope.net>
	<375f673ddeb62a5143c65ad22709d95d@maseurope.net>
	<42C6F21D.8010308@fourthworld.com>
	<9C9ED991-18B5-49F8-8F81-7E2CC205E997@scarlet.be>
	<d19ce71a1c82a3e5fb7c5f852b4a4538@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <c7f224e326b2f0f0839251701c6edabb@maseurope.net>

So this is my revised effort, which incorporates Wouters suggestions, 
and Dicks suggestion for using 'filter' in the getHSizes function.
Remarkably this seems a little slower, at 190 to 200 ms.

Mark

on changeTextSize inc
   put the effective textSize of fld 1 into fSize
   put "<font size=" & quote & fSize & quote & ">" into openTag
   put "</font>" into closeTag
   put the htmltext of fld 1 into ttext

   --this next block sets size tags for all the unsized text

   replace "</font>" with "</font>" & openTag in ttext
   replace "<font size=" with closeTag & "<font size=" in ttext
   replace closeTag & closeTag with closeTag in ttext
   put openTag after char 3 of ttext
   -- puts openTag after the intial <p> tag

   --now get all the size values from the size tags
   put getHSizes(ttext) into sizeList

   --set limits
   if inc > 0 AND MAX(sizeList)+inc > 48 then exit to top
   if inc < 0 AND MIN(sizeList)+inc < 8 then exit to top

   --Wouters sort
   if inc > 0 then
     sort items of sizeList numeric descending
   else if inc < 0 then
     sort items of sizeList numeric ascending
   end if

   repeat for each item i in sizeList
     put quote & i & quote into pSize
     put quote & i+inc & quote into nSize
     replace "<font size=" & pSize with "<font size=" & nSize in ttext
   end repeat

   set the textSize of fld 1 to fSize +inc
   set the htmltext of fld 1 to ttext
end changeTextSize


function getHSizes tt
   put empty into sizeList
   replace cr with empty in tt
   replace "<" with cr in tt
   replace ">" with cr in tt

   filter tt with "font size=*"

   replace quote with comma in tt
   repeat for each line i in tt
     get item 2 of i
     if it is not among the items of sizeList then put it & comma after 
sizeList
   end repeat

   return char 1 to -2 of sizeList
end getHSizes


From alanira9 at mac.com  Sat Jul  2 22:42:20 2005
From: alanira9 at mac.com (Alan Gayne)
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 22:42:20 -0400
Subject: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
Message-ID: <78c861a91a0558ab516a970f7a6eb34d@mac.com>

>
Hi all,

I've been following this one from the sidelines.

As I've mentioned in this forum on more than one occasion, I'm one of 
those whose business productivity is still totally dependent on the 
combination of Hypercard and 9 to 5 Reports.

 From all the discussion I've read here dealing with two orphaned and 
"obsolete" programs, it seems that I may not be as alone as I have 
sometimes thought.

So I guess there are a quite a few of us quietly wait for the release 
version of Jan Schenkel's Quartam Reports, and fervently hoping that 
it's interface is half as intuitive as old reliable "9 to 5".

So here's a message to Jan: if your Quartam delivers the functionality 
needed by people like me, I think you'll find that the number of paying 
customers will far exceed the number of voices which have expressed 
interest here on the list.

More than that, I think there may very well be a substantial number of 
old Hypercard types who have quietly been waiting for a truly viable 
reporting scheme before making, or renewing their commitment to Runtime 
Revolution.

Regards,
Alan Gayne


> Bill <bill at bluewatermaritime.com> wrote:
>
> The problem is nine to five reports under hypercard



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jul  2 22:49:52 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 21:49:52 -0500
Subject: Turning off the script editor's auto-format feature
In-Reply-To: <42C70212.3020506@tweedly.net>
References: <022701c57c8b$4c56ea30$0201a8c0@john>	<1120045876.22742.69.camel@rachmaninov>
	<42C70212.3020506@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <42C75250.8010705@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/2/05 4:07 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
> 
> 7. Find the handler    on tabKey
> 
> 8. insert immediately after the header line for the handler the 
> following two lines
> 
>> global gREVAutoFormat
>> if not gREVAutoFormat then exit tabKey
>>
> 9. Apply this change, save the stack

Or alternately, use "pass tabkey" rather than "exit tabkey". Then when 
you type tab, you get...a tab. ;)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mark at maseurope.net  Sat Jul  2 22:53:10 2005
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 03:53:10 +0100
Subject: scripting challenge: Large/Smaller text size
In-Reply-To: <c7f224e326b2f0f0839251701c6edabb@maseurope.net>
References: <20050702100502.7D08F824D13@mail.runrev.com>	<33042489b758f15078b8e41f335f249e@maseurope.net>	<3d39bb32537f40a3a4b8243b5c5be5c2@maseurope.net>	<ce34d5d92a8eb04acde49731d50d2318@maseurope.net>
	<375f673ddeb62a5143c65ad22709d95d@maseurope.net>
	<42C6F21D.8010308@fourthworld.com>
	<9C9ED991-18B5-49F8-8F81-7E2CC205E997@scarlet.be>
	<d19ce71a1c82a3e5fb7c5f852b4a4538@maseurope.net>
	<c7f224e326b2f0f0839251701c6edabb@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <95c3eb3768617a58626a5fd956d80ba2@maseurope.net>

And this is my final effort, for tonight, anyway. My earlier 
observation that it was necessary to create size tags for any unstyled 
text seems to be untrue, which saves a bit of work, and I think I've 
dealt with Wouters observation that it would all break if there were 
font face tags present. Of course, the whole thing would break anyway 
if applied to some HTML....

This comes in at around 150 to 200 ms, depending on how big the text 
gets. (It takes rev longer to put bigger text in a field.)


Mark


on changeTextSize inc
   put the effective textSize of fld 1 into fSize
   put the htmltext of fld 1 into ttext

   --now get all the size values from the size tags
   put getHSizes(ttext) into sizeList

   if inc > 0 AND MAX(sizeList & comma & fSize)+inc > 48 then exit to top
   if inc < 0 AND MIN(sizeList & comma & fSize)+inc < 8 then exit to top

   if inc > 0 then
     sort items of sizeList numeric descending
   else if inc < 0 then
     sort items of sizeList numeric ascending
   end if

   repeat for each item i in sizeList
     put quote & i & quote into pSize
     put quote & i+inc & quote into nSize
     replace "size=" & pSize with "size=" & nSize in ttext
   end repeat

   set the textSize of fld 1 to  fSize+inc
   set the htmltext of fld 1 to ttext
end changeTextSize


function getHSizes tt
   put empty into sizeList
   replace cr with empty in tt
   replace "<" with cr in tt
   replace ">" with cr in tt

   filter tt with "*size=*"

   replace quote with comma in tt
   repeat for each line i in tt
     get itemOffset("size=",i)
     get item it+1 of i
     if it is not among the items of sizeList then put it & comma after 
sizeList
   end repeat

   return char 1 to -2 of sizeList
end getHSizes



From SimPLsol at aol.com  Sat Jul  2 23:04:30 2005
From: SimPLsol at aol.com (SimPLsol at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 23:04:30 EDT
Subject: 9 to 5 Reports (was Tiger breaks hyperCard?)
Message-ID: <1d5.3f3964f8.2ff8afbe@aol.com>

Alan,
     You are definitely not alone. There are many of us who continue to use 
HyperCard - primarily because of 9 to 5 Reports. I can't imagine a better, 
faster, easier business system builder. If it makes you feel better, 18 months ago 
I showed Jan what Richard Gaskin calls "the 13 minute demo" of Reports - what 
it does, how it does it, why we like it so much. Like you, I wait with high 
hopes and great expectations.
Paul Looney


From martyknapp at comcast.net  Sat Jul  2 23:09:22 2005
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 20:09:22 -0700
Subject: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
In-Reply-To: <78c861a91a0558ab516a970f7a6eb34d@mac.com>
References: <78c861a91a0558ab516a970f7a6eb34d@mac.com>
Message-ID: <42C756E2.3060902@comcast.net>


>
> More than that, I think there may very well be a substantial number of 
> old Hypercard types who have quietly been waiting for a truly viable 
> reporting scheme before making, or renewing their commitment to 
> Runtime Revolution.
>
> Regards,
> Alan Gayne
>
I'll second that. I used to do everything with Hypercard and 9 to 5 Reports.

Marty Knapp


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sat Jul  2 23:14:33 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 22:14:33 -0500
Subject: Naming conventions [was: Food Fight]
In-Reply-To: <54636F70-A1B2-44A0-8C42-40536025E3E7@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <BEECC249.24152%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 7/2/05 4:59 PM, "Dennis Brown" <see3d at writeme.com> wrote:

> Thank you all for your replies on your various style and naming
> conventions.  I have studied them all and have come up with a style I
> think will work for me.
> 
> I have started writing my personal style guide which I have appended
> below.  I have not included many of the good style suggestions of
> other's that I like yet, because I have been documenting the areas
> that are different from every one else's style.
> 
> I would appreciate anyone taking a look at what I am planning and
> comment if you see something else that I might want to take into
> consideration before I code it into stone ;-)

Looks good to me, Dennis... and as long as you remember that variables that
end with "W" still are truly global until this gets implemented at RunRev,
you're in good shape.

I, too, read my code out loud in my head, but I guess I'm just so used to
Hungarian Lite that it just "sounds right" to me.

Anyway, as long as it is consistent and works for you...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sun Jul  3 01:17:25 2005
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 00:17:25 -0500
Subject: Player will not play long file names!
In-Reply-To: <F006BD6A-BB0E-48B3-9451-C25CF8F5EC7A@runrev.com>
References: <BEEC0C6D.1B8B8%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<F006BD6A-BB0E-48B3-9451-C25CF8F5EC7A@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p06210201beed25136291@[192.168.1.7]>

generally it's always best to avoid spaces in filenames....especially 
on the net.

sqb

>Hi Scott,
>
>If you do
>   replace space with "%20" in tURL
>then you should get the desired result. (i.e. don't urlEncode)
>
>Warmest Regards,
>
>Mark.
>


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sun Jul  3 01:34:51 2005
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 22:34:51 -0700
Subject: Player will not play long file names!
In-Reply-To: <p06210201beed25136291@[192.168.1.7]>
Message-ID: <BEECC70B.1B95E%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Stephen Barncard  wrote:

> generally it's always best to avoid spaces in filenames....especially
> on the net.

Of course, but the issue here is to address the playback of *any* file with
long filenames, regardless of their origin, and regardless of whether they
have spaces (or other non-alpha characters) in their names.

In the case of iTunes (not sure about other MP3 apps), songs from CDs as
well as those purchased via download are often named with spaces.  If you
want to deliver a player that can play these files, you can't expect a user
to go through all their files and manually rename them, nor should you as a
developer do this behind the user's back.  Thus Mark's workaround solves a
major problem.  Thanks Mark!

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sun Jul  3 02:29:02 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 08:29:02 +0200
Subject: Naming conventions [was: Food Fight]
In-Reply-To: <BEECC249.24152%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <BEECC249.24152%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <E8EFC678-506F-4937-8A9B-1571A6FF5BE8@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi all,

I followed this thread and I would like to share additional (off  
topic) conventions I use since years that help me a lot when reading  
(above all reading again some months later) my code:

At the end of any line where I call another handler or function  
(custom or system), I am used to put an add-up:
A comment sign (--) followed by a space (aesthetic need :-), a delta  
(or what you want) and a capitalised letter which indicates where is  
located the handler or the function used in this line:
nothing: it's in the same script
C: it's in in the card's script
Can be also G, S, MS (main stack), X (external), etc.

As I use, each time I can, handlers or functions placed higher in the  
message path, then I always know the effective message path of my  
messages :-)
My two cents.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From revolution at derbrill.de  Sun Jul  3 07:06:40 2005
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 13:06:40 +0200
Subject: scripting challenge: Large/Smaller text size
In-Reply-To: <20050703003156.2B31B8248F6@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <8835DD80-EBB2-11D9-AF40-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>

Update on my script. Turned it into a setprop handler. Put wouter?s 
suggestions in. Thanks Wouter!

Usage:

set the changeSize of fld "myField" to 1
set the changeSize of fld "myField" to -1

Script (in card or stack)

setProp changeSize myChange
   if myChange is not a number then
     return "Error: parameter must be a number!"
     exit changeSize
   end if
   if there is no field the target then
     return "Error: Target must be a field!"&&the target
     exit changeSize
   end if
   put the htmlText of the target into theHtml
   if the effective textSize of the target+myChange<8 then
     return "Smallest size reached"
     exit changeSize
   end if
   set the textSize of the target to \
       the effective textSize of the target+myChange
   replace "size="&quote with "size="&numToChar(1500) in theHTML
   set the itemdel to numToChar(1500)
   if the number of items of theHTML<>1 then
     put 0 into testItem
     repeat for each item theItem in theHTML
       add 1 to testItem
       if testItem<>1 then
         put offset(quote,theitem) into counter
         put char 1 to counter-1 of theItem into theSize
         put theSize+myChange into theSize
         if theSize<8 then
           set the textSize of the target to \
               the effective textSize of the target-myChange
           return "Smallest size reached!"
           exit changeSize
         end if
         put theSize into char 1 to counter-1 of theItem
         put quote&theItem after newHTML
       else
         put theItem into newHTML
         next repeat
       end if
     end repeat
     set the htmlText of the target to newHTML
   end if
   put the htmlText of the target
end ChangeSize

Cheers,

Malte

From M.Lange at ed.ac.uk  Sun Jul  3 07:53:55 2005
From: M.Lange at ed.ac.uk (Marielle Lange)
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 12:53:55 +0100
Subject: (no subject)
Message-ID: <1120391635.42c7d1d3cf138@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>

>Jon,
>
>My point exactly: "a large array of numbers" = "data" So is the photograph
>you are computing the histogram on. Would either of these change, if you
>switch languages? Hence, they are external to your language, or "data."
>
>I write business application software, so I've never had to compute a
>histogram and admit I have no clue as to what's involved in that process.
>
>But, if you know the kind of data manipulation you will be doing in advance,
>you can parse, index, or otherwise reorganize the source data in such a way
>as to minimize large data sources or "large arrays."
>
>Now, depending on how well you organized your data, whether your language is
>in pcode or machine compiled, results in only milliseconds of difference.

Jim,

I support your view... I often have to manipulate huge lexical databases (50.000
lines, 50 columns). Usint the same computer language, I was often able to cut
running time down from 30 minutes to 2 min. by using more effective resource
management techniques.

Jon,

If you cannot see ways in which you can reorganize your data... why not consider
using Awk for your array processing (something that Awk excels at). Awk is
freely available on any platform, doesn't take more than 200K, and can be
learned in one day for your purpose (simple array processing). It is quite easy
to call to it to do array processing on large data and get the result back to
revolution. You will find information about Awk at
<http://www.cs.wustl.edu/~loui/sigplan> (Why GAWK for AI?)
<http://revolution.lexicall.org/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=ProgrammingAwk>

Marielle


From M.Lange at ed.ac.uk  Sun Jul  3 07:57:28 2005
From: M.Lange at ed.ac.uk (Marielle Lange)
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 12:57:28 +0100
Subject: regular expressions
Message-ID: <1120391848.42c7d2a83c96c@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>

>Nobody *likes* RegEx. But it is powerful, and we use it because there
>is no practical alternative. I wish there were.

Hi Dave,

I do like regEx very much. Simply because that's the optimal solution to the
problem they address. That's an extraordinarily clever solution, which let you
write in a single line, what could take you pages of programs to code. Thanks
to regular expressions, I wrote in less than 20 lines the equivalent of a
program that a colleague of mine had written in nearly 10 pages.

Of course, the learning curve is very very slow... of course it is very easy to
make errors and quite difficult to keep track of what you are effectively
doing.  My approach is to test my regEx in editors like BBedit (mac) or notetab
(pc) first, so that I can tune them in an environment where I can rapidly check
that the effects are as desired (and yes, this may take a few trial and
errors).

Believe me, once you come to master regEx (which requires extensive use, in
different contexts) them, you come to see them as a real blessing rather than a
curse. After a rocky start, you just fall deeply in love with them.

Marielle


From revolution at derbrill.de  Sun Jul  3 08:26:13 2005
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 14:26:13 +0200
Subject: scripting challenge: Large/Smaller text size
In-Reply-To: <20050703003156.2B31B8248F6@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <A4F286B0-EBBD-11D9-AF40-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>

Hi Mark,

I guess 10 mSecs  could be neglected. :-) I just was curious as I 
couldn?t produce any meaningful results on my machine.
Looking forward to see your modified script. And thanks for using 
offset. Let me get rid of the nested repeat loop in my script variant. 
:-)

Cheers,

Malte

 >You win! 140 to 150 on the same machine that I got 157 on (actually,
 >150ish to 160ish, 157 was just the last time...)



From jhurley at infostations.com  Sun Jul  3 08:46:31 2005
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 05:46:31 -0700
Subject: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
In-Reply-To: <20050703003155.C925782492E@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050703003155.C925782492E@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p06200701beed8de4516c@[69.19.167.78]>

>
>Message: 3
>Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 15:03:23 -0400
>From: jeff reynolds fios <jeff at siphonophore.com>
>Subject: Re:  Tiger breaks hyperCard?
>To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>Message-ID: <b4360d216766c30a90eb678191200dc4 at siphonophore.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Hmm, i just got my new powerbook this week with tiger installed, but
>not classic (i think apple has been doing this for at least a year now
>since i have had folks say they didnt have classic and i would just
>have them load it from their system discs). the powerbook tiger system
>discs came with the classic 922 installer on it. i ran it and it
>installed a nice new os922 system folder that works great with tiger.
>tested my old hypercard standalone app and it worked swimmingly. the
>powerbook hard drive was not partitioned and the 922 system folder is
>sitting there right next to the osx system folder.
>
>am i missing something here?
>
>Jeffrey Reynolds


Jeff,

Thanks for this update. Good to know.

Is it possible to run OS 9 and OS X simultaneously as with 10.2 (? & 10.3)?

Jim


From mark at maseurope.net  Sun Jul  3 08:53:23 2005
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 13:53:23 +0100
Subject: scripting challenge: Large/Smaller text size
In-Reply-To: <A4F286B0-EBBD-11D9-AF40-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>
References: <A4F286B0-EBBD-11D9-AF40-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <cc91615fb688a019b225904ea4620a4c@maseurope.net>

Malte - we seem to be about even with the latest variants of our 
scripts - and I like your setProp approach.
I'm wondering if it might be still more efficient to use the rtfText of 
the field, since the rtf tags are are a bit simpler. Still, I think we 
cracked it.

Cheers,

Mark

On 3 Jul 2005, at 13:26, Malte Brill wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> I guess 10 mSecs  could be neglected. :-) I just was curious as I 
> couldn?t produce any meaningful results on my machine.
> Looking forward to see your modified script. And thanks for using 
> offset. Let me get rid of the nested repeat loop in my script variant. 
> :-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Malte
>
> >You win! 140 to 150 on the same machine that I got 157 on (actually,
> >150ish to 160ish, 157 was just the last time...)
>
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From mark at maseurope.net  Sun Jul  3 10:01:27 2005
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 15:01:27 +0100
Subject: scripting challenge: Large/Smaller text size
In-Reply-To: <cc91615fb688a019b225904ea4620a4c@maseurope.net>
References: <A4F286B0-EBBD-11D9-AF40-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>
	<cc91615fb688a019b225904ea4620a4c@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <5045e37e11def987f4332d9e1de5ac0b@maseurope.net>

And finally, the RTF version, which is maybe a few milliseconds faster, 
and has the possible advantage that the lower limit could be < 8 if 
necessary.
Worth noting that RTF font size tags are in half-points, hence the 
division by 2 in the getRSizes function, and corresponding 
multiplication afterwards.

I think I should do something else, now. Obsessive, me?

:)

Mark


on changeTextSizeRTF inc
   put the effective textSize of fld 1 into fSize
   put the rtftext of fld 1 into ttext

   put getRSizes(ttext) into sizeList

   if inc > 0 AND MAX(sizeList & comma & fSize)+inc > 48 then exit to top
   if inc < 0 AND MIN(sizeList & comma & fSize)+inc < 8 then exit to top

   if inc > 0 then
     sort items of sizeList numeric descending
   else if inc < 0 then
     sort items of sizeList numeric ascending
   end if

   repeat for each item i in sizeList
     replace "\fs" & (i*2) with "\fs" & ((i+inc)*2) in ttext
   end repeat

   set the textSize of fld 1 to fSize+inc
   set the rtftext of fld 1 to ttext
end changeTextSizeRTF


function getRSizes tt
   put empty into sizeList
   replace cr with empty in tt
   replace "\fs" with cr & "\fs" in tt
   filter tt with "\fs*"

   repeat for each line L in tt
     get offset(space,L)
     put trunc((char 4 to it-1 of L)/2) into sizeVal
     if sizeVal is not among the items of sizeList then put sizeVal & 
comma after sizeList
   end repeat

   return char 1 to -2 of sizeList
end getRSizes



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Jul  3 11:56:29 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 08:56:29 -0700
Subject: regular expressions
In-Reply-To: <1120391848.42c7d2a83c96c@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
References: <1120391848.42c7d2a83c96c@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <981371612.20050703085629@ahsoftware.net>

Marielle-

Sunday, July 3, 2005, 4:57:28 AM, you wrote:

ML> Of course, the learning curve is very very slow... of course it is very easy to
ML> make errors and quite difficult to keep track of what you are effectively
ML> doing.  My approach is to test my regEx in editors like BBedit (mac) or notetab
ML> (pc) first, so that I can tune them in an environment where I can rapidly check
ML> that the effects are as desired (and yes, this may take a few trial and
ML> errors).

I'm also quite fond of The Regex Coach (pc)

http://weitz.de/index.html

ML> Believe me, once you come to master regEx (which requires extensive use, in
ML> different contexts) them, you come to see them as a real blessing rather than a
ML> curse. After a rocky start, you just fall deeply in love with them.

...although I dare say that anyone who has trouble with Hungarian
notation will run screaming from regex syntax. Very powerful, but
about as far from xTalk's natural language approach as you can get...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Jul  3 12:10:48 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 09:10:48 -0700
Subject: Naming conventions
In-Reply-To: <54636F70-A1B2-44A0-8C42-40536025E3E7@writeme.com>
References: <BEDF36E2.22916%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<42B9F622.1070900@fourthworld.com>
	<54636F70-A1B2-44A0-8C42-40536025E3E7@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <772230256.20050703091048@ahsoftware.net>

Dennis-

To add to your discussion of conventions:

I've got a standard format for commenting my handlers that looks like

--------------------------------------------
-- HandlerName
--
-- Description of this block of code
-- Uses: any global values used or external variables modified
-- Returns: description of return value for functions
-- Usage:
--   HandlerName parameters
--------------------------------------------

as in:

--------------------------------------------
-- assertNotEqual
--
-- Causes a runtime error in the IDE if the
-- arguments are not the same.
--
-- Usage:
--
-- on MyTest pValue
--   assertNotEqual pValue, zero
--   put 1000 / pValue into gSomeGlobal
-- end MyTest
--------------------------------------------

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From jeff at siphonophore.com  Sun Jul  3 13:53:16 2005
From: jeff at siphonophore.com (jeff reynolds fios)
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 13:53:16 -0400
Subject: Tiger and os9 was Tiger breaks hypercard
In-Reply-To: <20050703170005.A17E2824D2E@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050703170005.A17E2824D2E@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <14975b9a246b1c375f1b9b498990b729@siphonophore.com>

I had some confusion as to what folks were talking about with loading a 
os9 and os 10.4 on the same partition. I missed that the thread i 
responded to might have been with just problems with running os9 under 
tiger to run hc running 9to5 reports. I thought it was just problems 
running classic from the  part of the thread i read and responded to. 
Are you concerned with os9 compatibility in general or just with hc and 
9to5 reports. My old hc app does not use 9to5 reports, but lots of qt 
and specialty graphics calls as well as reads and writes files to the 
hard drive.

  I have only used the 10.3 and 10.4 with os9 on the same partition to 
run the os9 in classic mode, since the computers it they are loaded on 
are only machines that can run osx.

I am just in the process today of suping up an old mac to donate and 
loading 10.3 and 922 on it. it can run 9 so i will see if it can flip 
between them fine. this was the standard feature of osx and 9 on older 
machines that still had 9 bootablity in their roms. i know i had no 
problem switching between running 10.1 with 9 on the same partition on 
my old titanium as well as running the 9 as classic under 10.1 (but it 
was the crude days of classic).

sorry if there was confusion on this. i just got spooked when i saw the 
thread since i had just run off 1000 cds of a decade old multimedia 
cdrom that uses an app i developed in hc and was worried there would be 
a problem with tiger (figured murphy and all). amazing that a decade 
old app still works! trying to make the vb pc version work takes some 
guts in installing a v2 of quicktime over your nice new quicktime you 
need for xp or 2000 just to get one dll installed! not for the faint 
hearted...

yell if you have more questions and i can try and clear the air more 
then send a clarification to the list.

Jeffrey Reynolds


On Jul 3, 2005, at 1:00 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com 
wrote:

>
> Jeff,
>
> Thanks for this update. Good to know.
>
> Is it possible to run OS 9 and OS X simultaneously as with 10.2 (? & 
> 10.3)?
>
> Jim



From hershrev at realtorsgroup.us  Sun Jul  3 14:20:33 2005
From: hershrev at realtorsgroup.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 14:20:33 -0400
Subject: Using libSMTP to send an e-mail
In-Reply-To: <20050701014258.C80E9824967@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BEEDA4B1.2DC4%hershrev@realtorsgroup.us>

On 6/30/05 9:45 PM, "tim at leaf25.com" <tim at leaf25.com> wrote:

 Hi All,
I have nice experience with the older version, the newer version I wasn't
able to get to work.
Hershel
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From warren at howsoft.com  Sun Jul  3 16:55:25 2005
From: warren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 17:55:25 -0300
Subject: Suggestion for correcting the IDE's script editor 
Message-ID: <007601c58012$61d03990$0201a8c0@john>

Dear All,

As a result of our final discussion on how to improve the functioning of the
script editor, I have submitted a bug report (#2968) and an enhancement
request (#2969) to Bugzilla. Please vote for them (or not) as you wish. If
you think there is anything crucial to add (or subtract), please let me
know.

Thanks.

Regards,
Bob





From b.xavier at internet.lu  Sun Jul  3 17:10:15 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 23:10:15 +0200
Subject: Suggestion for correcting the IDE's script editor 
In-Reply-To: <007601c58012$61d03990$0201a8c0@john>
Message-ID: <20050703210503.D37B0824964@mail.runrev.com>

Bob,

Usually supplying the bugzilla url in the mail 
makes it easier to jump there and vote for you ;)

Just a thought... suggestion ;)

cheers
Xavier 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Bob Warren
> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 22:55
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Suggestion for correcting the IDE's script editor 
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> As a result of our final discussion on how to improve the 
> functioning of the script editor, I have submitted a bug 
> report (#2968) and an enhancement request (#2969) to 
> Bugzilla. Please vote for them (or not) as you wish. If you 
> think there is anything crucial to add (or subtract), please 
> let me know.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Regards,
> Bob
> 
> 
> 
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Jul  3 17:12:18 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 14:12:18 -0700
Subject: scripting challenge: Large/Smaller text size
In-Reply-To: <5045e37e11def987f4332d9e1de5ac0b@maseurope.net>
References: <A4F286B0-EBBD-11D9-AF40-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>	<cc91615fb688a019b225904ea4620a4c@maseurope.net>
	<5045e37e11def987f4332d9e1de5ac0b@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <42C854B2.9070008@fourthworld.com>

Mark Smith wrote:
> And finally, the RTF version, which is maybe a few milliseconds faster, 
> and has the possible advantage that the lower limit could be < 8 if 
> necessary.

I think there may be a problem with using rtfText, as only htmlText 
preserves links.

Is that correct, or does rtfText now also preserve links?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From jhurley at infostations.com  Sun Jul  3 17:23:17 2005
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 14:23:17 -0700
Subject: Where are my sub-menus?
In-Reply-To: <20050703170005.A17E2824D2E@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050703170005.A17E2824D2E@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p06200704beee06110cd8@[69.19.167.78]>

When I first started with 2.6 the buttons, fields, etc. were grouped 
into sub menus according to the control type in the inspector. That 
feature has disappeared and I can't find it in the preferences.

Any of you seen my sub-menus out there anywhere?

Jim


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sun Jul  3 17:33:08 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 23:33:08 +0200
Subject: Where are my sub-menus?
In-Reply-To: <p06200704beee06110cd8@[69.19.167.78]>
References: <20050703170005.A17E2824D2E@mail.runrev.com>
	<p06200704beee06110cd8@[69.19.167.78]>
Message-ID: <3AA194D2-5896-4429-AA33-E3F87EC2A315@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Jim,

There is a threshold: no sub-menus with a few controls and sub-menus  
with more than 20 controls.
So go on working and you will get back your sub-menus ;-)

Le 3 juil. 05 ? 23:23, Jim Hurley a ?crit :

> When I first started with 2.6 the buttons, fields, etc. were  
> grouped into sub menus according to the control type in the  
> inspector. That feature has disappeared and I can't find it in the  
> preferences.
>
> Any of you seen my sub-menus out there anywhere?

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From katir at hindu.org  Sun Jul  3 17:40:36 2005
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 11:40:36 -1000
Subject: PDFs in QT Player -- Hot Links Challenge
Message-ID: <D211AB38-28A0-459B-97A4-CED2F9EE8851@hindu.org>

Goal: Show PDF's inside a Revolution QT player object with PDF  
hyperlinks clickable.

Tests so far, can someone confirm? (even better tell us how to do it)

1) Create PDF spread of two pages of a magazine, source is IDCS2,  
target format is Acrobat 7.0

2) open Rev, create player object, point the player to the PDF file..  
it appears... And, what is even better... on zoom in (scale up) the  
text looks really great!

3) Go back to IDCS2, hyper link a URL on the page. Output to PDF  
again.. check the PDF.. The hyperlink is working, it's hot, click and  
it will open the web site in acrobat, or your browser (your choice)

4) Go back to Rev. Point the player now to the PDF that has the  
hypertext link.

:-( player object goes blank...

OK ? is it QT or Revolution? Let's find out....

5) drop the PDF with hypertext link on QT Player... it opens...  
hyperlink is not there. But QT will at least show the file as a  
single movie frame.

6) back to Revolution, Toggle the filename of the player object between
     a) the same page/PDF  with no links: it appears in Revolution
      b) the same page with one hyperlink: player goes blank.

Conclusion: Revolution will not import the PDF with an embedded  
Hypertext link into a QT player object.

Our expectations for inter-application file format interoperability  
here are probably just "out of this world." so much so that to call  
this a bug would be unfair to the Revolution engineers... after all I  
don't ask Acrobat to make chocolate chip cookies and then find out it  
doesn't work and call tech support at Adobe.  But the trouble with  
Revolution is, it tends to give you this sense of "We can do anything  
we want."

I guess finding a way to map PDF hyperlinks to hot spots with linked  
URL in the QT player is asking a lot.. but I thought to pose this  
question to the forum of the more experienced. I have seen a few here  
some who seem to be deep into the PDF file format...

TIA

Sivakatirswami




From pixelbird at interisland.net  Sun Jul  3 18:06:38 2005
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 15:06:38 -0700
Subject: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
In-Reply-To: <20050703170005.911CB824D2D@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050703170005.911CB824D2D@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <8398094ca7aed6b02498c45492430a03@interisland.net>

Hi Jim,

> Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 05:46:31 -0700
> From: Jim Hurley <jhurley at infostations.com>
> Subject: Re:  Tiger breaks hyperCard?

> Thanks for this update. Good to know.
>
> Is it possible to run OS 9 and OS X simultaneously as with 10.2 (? & 
> 10.3)?

Do you mean Classic? If so then Yes, you can run Classic under any OSX, 
including Tiger. but AFAIK, OS 9.2.2 does not ship with Tiger (nor with 
Panther), i.e., you may have to get it and install it if it's not there 
already.

Also, as the thread is now a misnomer, AFAIK, Tiger does not break HC, 
only some third party applications like 9 to 5 Reports DataPro, where 
file locations may have some kind of problem.

All the best,
Ken N.



From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Sun Jul  3 18:35:43 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 08:35:43 +1000
Subject: highlight a button in standalone+.rev app
In-Reply-To: <1120208194.42c505423d749@webmail.armbase.com>
References: <1120208194.42c505423d749@webmail.armbase.com>
Message-ID: <F3E06CCD-01FD-4EE2-B56A-88ACF0F6A458@genesearch.com.au>

> I'd like to have just one button injector and a system to customise  
> the function
> of the button. What I envisage is a drop down list that enters a  
> script into the
> button. Is it possible (from an standalone) to highlight the button  
> in the
> cloned stack with something like a right click(just like
> in the rev IDE), then a prefernces window (which I'll create) pops  
> up with a
> popup button with the fnuctions.
>
> Then when I click on OK it enters the script into the highlighted  
> button.
>
> EG click on "OK" and it does something ,like this.
>
> On mouseup
> insert on mouseup & cr & dothisaction & cr & end mouseup into the  
> highlighted
> button of the last stack open
> end mopuseup
>

What about a script like this in your cloned stack's script:

on mouseUp pBtnNumber
   global gSelectedButton

   -- check if right mouse button is used and if it is clicked over a  
button
   if pBtnNumber = 3 and the name of the target contains "button" then
     put the target into gSelectedButton
     -- perhaps make some visual change to indicate the selected button
     -- change it's color, draw a box around it or something like that
   else
     pass mouseUp
   end if
end mouseUp

Then your "script insertion" script can use whatever is in the global  
gSelectedButton to set the script.

on mouseUp
   global gSelectedButton
   set the script of gSelectedButton to "on mouseUp" & cr & \
     "doThisAction" & cr & "end mouseUp"
end mouseUp


HTH,
Sarah




From mark at maseurope.net  Sun Jul  3 19:35:27 2005
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 00:35:27 +0100
Subject: scripting challenge: Large/Smaller text size
In-Reply-To: <42C854B2.9070008@fourthworld.com>
References: <A4F286B0-EBBD-11D9-AF40-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>	<cc91615fb688a019b225904ea4620a4c@maseurope.net>
	<5045e37e11def987f4332d9e1de5ac0b@maseurope.net>
	<42C854B2.9070008@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <b323033be2398bde687d0001076bf97f@maseurope.net>

I didn't know that, and trying it just now, it seems that rtf does not 
preserve links, so html is probably the way to go. Thanks for pointing 
that out.

Mark

On 3 Jul 2005, at 22:12, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Mark Smith wrote:
>> And finally, the RTF version, which is maybe a few milliseconds 
>> faster, and has the possible advantage that the lower limit could be 
>> < 8 if necessary.
>
> I think there may be a problem with using rtfText, as only htmlText 
> preserves links.
>
> Is that correct, or does rtfText now also preserve links?
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation
>  ___________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
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From mark at maseurope.net  Sun Jul  3 20:32:22 2005
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 01:32:22 +0100
Subject: Printing to PDF on OS X
Message-ID: <97b586f1b63718f9942e1104886d41bd@maseurope.net>

Can anyone tell me how I can print 1 card to a pdf. The following 
produced a pdf ok, but it was blank...

on printMe
   open printing with dialog
   if the result is "Cancel" then exit printme
   print cd 1 of this stack
   close printing
end print me

if I choose the "Print" option when the dialog appears, the printer 
prints the card, but if I choose the "save as pdf option" and "Save", 
the pdf is created, but it does not have any content.

I'm stumped.

Thanks,

Mark Smith



From M.Lange at ed.ac.uk  Sun Jul  3 21:32:20 2005
From: M.Lange at ed.ac.uk (Marielle Lange)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 02:32:20 +0100
Subject: How do I make simple multiple user access app?
Message-ID: <1120440740.42c891a48b800@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>

Sometime around 30/6/05 (at 20:47 -0500) Stephen Barncard said:

>>Keith;
>>Are you sure the resources aren't already available at the ISP the
>>office already uses for its web site (assuming it has one)?

>It is a political issue rather than a financial one I'm afraid. [sigh]
>Actually, it is also a practical one, in that she has zero experience
>with scripting (and I mean *zero*) and she wants to do the project
>herself rather than me do it and her not know anything about it. I
>wouldn't ask anyone, let alone my nearest+dearest, to launch straight
>into MySQL from a standing start! Revolution with simple scripting
>and stack structure, yes; MySQL, no. Not yet, anyway. :-)

(I didn't follow the full thread.)

Just in case not. I wonder if you know of PhPMyAdmin (wrongly named as what it
does is administer MySQL db). Visual interface to your database, all
manipulations done via menus and mouseclicks clicks.

To master MySQL is another story. But, by my experience, to manage a very simple
database using phpmyadmin is easier than simple scripting and stack structure.

Marielle


From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Sun Jul  3 21:54:25 2005
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 21:54:25 -0400
Subject: Printing to PDF on OS X
In-Reply-To: <97b586f1b63718f9942e1104886d41bd@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <BEEE0F11.CD4F%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

I do this all the time just as you describe and it works fine.


On 7/3/05 8:32 PM, "Mark Smith" <mark at maseurope.net> wrote:

> Can anyone tell me how I can print 1 card to a pdf. The following
> produced a pdf ok, but it was blank...
> 
> on printMe
>    open printing with dialog
>    if the result is "Cancel" then exit printme
>    print cd 1 of this stack
>    close printing
> end print me
> 
> if I choose the "Print" option when the dialog appears, the printer
> prints the card, but if I choose the "save as pdf option" and "Save",
> the pdf is created, but it does not have any content.
> 
> I'm stumped.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mark Smith
> 
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From see3d at writeme.com  Sun Jul  3 22:02:22 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 22:02:22 -0400
Subject: Naming conventions [was: Food Fight]
In-Reply-To: <BEECC249.24152%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <BEECC249.24152%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <BF27D5FF-DE75-48EC-81EB-8CCB8879AB9A@writeme.com>

Thanks for looking at it Ken,

On Jul 2, 2005, at 11:14 PM, Ken Ray wrote:

> On 7/2/05 4:59 PM, "Dennis Brown" <see3d at writeme.com> wrote:
>
> Looks good to me, Dennis... and as long as you remember that  
> variables that
> end with "W" still are truly global until this gets implemented at  
> RunRev,
> you're in good shape.

Yes, I will be careful with my own stacks.  I don't expect anyone  
else will be using my crazy scheme and misspelling their global names  
with an extra "W" at the end of them for a wile at least.  As soon a  
RunRev makes a stack level global, I will make an edit pass to fix  
all the lines that have a comment of "--fix".

> I, too, read my code out loud in my head, but I guess I'm just so  
> used to
> Hungarian Lite that it just "sounds right" to me.

I expect that if I had experience with the strongly typed languages  
(instead of assembler (where operators determine the type --not  
data), and high level languages that are typeless), I might find it  
more "natural".  I am sure that if I forced myself to use Hungarian  
for a year, I would also get comfortable with it.  However,  X-Talk  
languages are natural English languages.  I ask my wife to read the  
Clock script I wrote.  She was able to read it and understand how it  
worked without ever seeing Transcript before.  It would not have been  
so easy if the variable names did not "read" right.  Transcript does  
not require any such notations in variables in order to work, nor has  
it traditionally been documented as needing these.  It does not  
really matter if you junk up a cryptic language with more cryptic  
stuff, but it does matter if you take a non-cryptic language and make  
it cryptic.  In fact, I would wager that if the inventor of the  
Hungarian notation started with Transcript and wanted to solve the  
same problems for Transcript, that it would not look like the current  
Hungarian notation.  However, from reading the many posts on this  
thread, I realized that there were advantages to adding some tags to  
variable names.  So, I set out to gain the important advantages of  
the Hungarian notation in the least invasive way to the readability  
of Transcript for my own style.

> Anyway, as long as it is consistent and works for you...

I really appreciate the support from everyone looking and making  
helpful suggestions about my "deviations" from the norm, instead of  
just saying "Don't re-invent the wheel, we have a perfectly good one  
already".

Thanks,
Dennis


From see3d at writeme.com  Sun Jul  3 22:04:46 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 22:04:46 -0400
Subject: Naming conventions [was: Food Fight]
In-Reply-To: <E8EFC678-506F-4937-8A9B-1571A6FF5BE8@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <BEECC249.24152%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<E8EFC678-506F-4937-8A9B-1571A6FF5BE8@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <CE33F65F-3F0C-4715-B1C7-663665FA6DBD@writeme.com>

Eric,

I like your suggestion and will use it.  It is a better idea than my  
adding a less flexible tag to the handler name.

Thanks,
Dennis

On Jul 3, 2005, at 2:29 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I followed this thread and I would like to share additional (off  
> topic) conventions I use since years that help me a lot when  
> reading (above all reading again some months later) my code:
>
> At the end of any line where I call another handler or function  
> (custom or system), I am used to put an add-up:
> A comment sign (--) followed by a space (aesthetic need :-), a  
> delta (or what you want) and a capitalised letter which indicates  
> where is located the handler or the function used in this line:
> nothing: it's in the same script
> C: it's in in the card's script
> Can be also G, S, MS (main stack), X (external), etc.
>
> As I use, each time I can, handlers or functions placed higher in  
> the message path, then I always know the effective message path of  
> my messages :-)
> My two cents.
>
> Best Regards from Paris,
>
> Eric Chatonet.



From M.Lange at ed.ac.uk  Sun Jul  3 22:05:14 2005
From: M.Lange at ed.ac.uk (Marielle Lange)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 03:05:14 +0100
Subject: design problem: fonts and spacing
Message-ID: <1120442714.42c8995a339d3@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>

>That leads to another question: What fonts is it _safe_ to assume one
>will find on Mac, OSX, Windows? (Linux?) I know it's possible to ask
>in a script, but that doesn't help very much with the design problem,
>when something about the font is critical. Is there a list,
>somewhere, of (the presumably very few) fontnames that will always
>work everywhere?

Hi Charles,

Common fonts to all versions of Windows & Mac equivalents
<http://www.ampsoft.net/webdesign-l/WindowsMacFonts.html>

You will find information about user preference and reading performance in the
presence of different types of fonts at:
<http://psychology.wichita.edu/optimalweb/print.htm>

Eric,

As you mentioned you recently developed softwares for older adults, you may be
interested to know that in this same document provides abundant information
about preferences of older adults:
"Older Adults are more accurate with, and prefer larger font sizes. They also
prefer sans serif fonts over serif fonts. As discussed by Bernard, Liao, and
Mills (2001) reading online documents (about 2 pages), older adults
significantly preferred the larger, 14-point font size (see Figure 4 below). In
this study, serif fonts (Georgia and Times New Roman) were compared to sans
serif fonts (Arial and Verdana) at 12- and 14-points. The 14-point fonts were
found to be more legible, promote faster reading, and were preferred to the
12-point fonts. Also, at the 14-point size, serif fonts tended to support
faster reading (see Figure 6). Examining participants' 1st and 2nd preference
choice further shows the popularity of the 14-point size (see Figure 7). "

Marielle


From see3d at writeme.com  Sun Jul  3 22:07:32 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 22:07:32 -0400
Subject: Naming conventions
In-Reply-To: <772230256.20050703091048@ahsoftware.net>
References: <BEDF36E2.22916%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<42B9F622.1070900@fourthworld.com>
	<54636F70-A1B2-44A0-8C42-40536025E3E7@writeme.com>
	<772230256.20050703091048@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <69B45067-18B3-49C4-812E-7A50301B2914@writeme.com>

Mark,

This is a good template suggestion, I will give it or something  
similar VERY serious consideration for adding to my scripts also.

Thanks,
Dennis

On Jul 3, 2005, at 12:10 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Dennis-
>
> To add to your discussion of conventions:
>
> I've got a standard format for commenting my handlers that looks like
>
> --------------------------------------------
> -- HandlerName
> --
> -- Description of this block of code
> -- Uses: any global values used or external variables modified
> -- Returns: description of return value for functions
> -- Usage:
> --   HandlerName parameters
> --------------------------------------------
>
> as in:
>
> --------------------------------------------
> -- assertNotEqual
> --
> -- Causes a runtime error in the IDE if the
> -- arguments are not the same.
> --
> -- Usage:
> --
> -- on MyTest pValue
> --   assertNotEqual pValue, zero
> --   put 1000 / pValue into gSomeGlobal
> -- end MyTest
> --------------------------------------------


From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Sun Jul  3 22:43:03 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 22:43:03 -0400
Subject: design problem: fonts and spacing
In-Reply-To: <1120442714.42c8995a339d3@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
References: <1120442714.42c8995a339d3@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <33C9C928-281A-4015-A65D-DA37EB55D628@conncoll.edu>

That's exactly what I needed -- thanks.

I guess I need to shift all my Courier bits to Courier New. I *know*  
there's a simple way to do that throughout the stack file -- I'll  
work that out.

And then I guess I want to test (on openStack in the main stack) the  
platform, and if Palatino is available, use it, and otherwise  
something else (perhaps Verdana, though I dislike sans-serif fonts).  
This sounds like time for a Property Set, to be shared by all the  
cards I've made . . . something else to figure out how to do.  
Excellent! (Python and C I know; Transcript I'm just getting into.)

Charles Hartman


On Jul 3, 2005, at 10:05 PM, Marielle Lange wrote:

>> That leads to another question: What fonts is it _safe_ to assume one
>> will find on Mac, OSX, Windows? (Linux?) I know it's possible to ask
>> in a script, but that doesn't help very much with the design problem,
>> when something about the font is critical. Is there a list,
>> somewhere, of (the presumably very few) fontnames that will always
>> work everywhere?
>>
>
> Hi Charles,
>
> Common fonts to all versions of Windows & Mac equivalents
> <http://www.ampsoft.net/webdesign-l/WindowsMacFonts.html>
>
> You will find information about user preference and reading  
> performance in the
> presence of different types of fonts at:
> <http://psychology.wichita.edu/optimalweb/print.htm>
>
> Eric,
>
> As you mentioned you recently developed softwares for older adults,  
> you may be
> interested to know that in this same document provides abundant  
> information
> about preferences of older adults:
> "Older Adults are more accurate with, and prefer larger font sizes.  
> They also
> prefer sans serif fonts over serif fonts. As discussed by Bernard,  
> Liao, and
> Mills (2001) reading online documents (about 2 pages), older adults
> significantly preferred the larger, 14-point font size (see Figure  
> 4 below). In
> this study, serif fonts (Georgia and Times New Roman) were compared  
> to sans
> serif fonts (Arial and Verdana) at 12- and 14-points. The 14-point  
> fonts were
> found to be more legible, promote faster reading, and were  
> preferred to the
> 12-point fonts. Also, at the 14-point size, serif fonts tended to  
> support
> faster reading (see Figure 6). Examining participants' 1st and 2nd  
> preference
> choice further shows the popularity of the 14-point size (see  
> Figure 7). "
>
> Marielle
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sun Jul  3 22:51:52 2005
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 21:51:52 -0500
Subject: How do I make simple multiple user access app?
In-Reply-To: <1120440740.42c891a48b800@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
References: <1120440740.42c891a48b800@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <p06210200beee5412b518@[192.168.1.7]>

And if you have a Mac, CocoaMySQL (client) is far better for managing 
a MySQL database than the server-based phpMyAdmin, in my opinion, and 
it's free.

Navicat is good, too and there are versions for Mac and PC, but it is not free.

sqb

>
>To master MySQL is another story. But, by my experience, to manage a 
>very simple
>database using phpmyadmin is easier than simple scripting and stack structure.
>
>Marielle


From jhurley at infostations.com  Mon Jul  4 00:19:37 2005
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 21:19:37 -0700
Subject: Where are my sub-menus?
In-Reply-To: <20050704023904.F0CD9824D18@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050704023904.F0CD9824D18@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p06200707beee68c213eb@[69.19.167.78]>

>
>Message: 7
>Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 23:33:08 +0200
>From: Eric Chatonet <eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com>
>Subject: Re: Where are my sub-menus?
>To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>Message-ID: <3AA194D2-5896-4429-AA33-E3F87EC2A315 at sosmartsoftware.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=ISO-8859-1;	delsp=yes; 
>	format=flowed
>
>Hi Jim,
>
>There is a threshold: no sub-menus with a few controls and sub-menus 
>with more than 20 controls.
>So go on working and you will get back your sub-menus ;-)
>

Hi Eric,

So that's it. I thought I had been hallucinating.

Thanks,

Jim


From kee at kagi.com  Mon Jul  4 00:21:08 2005
From: kee at kagi.com (kee nethery)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 21:21:08 -0700
Subject: CGI and AppleScript
In-Reply-To: <a06110402bee8d1f8c7d4@[192.168.1.101]>
References: <AED46EA2-81D7-4957-B67B-172A3C5BF4F9@mac.com>
	<a06110402bee8d1f8c7d4@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <CE75F019-5D25-40FA-B8B4-E02FAD01352C@kagi.com>


On Jun 29, 2005, at 3:32 PM, Robert Brenstein wrote:

>>  And if so is there any way to call AppleScript from a CGI?
>
> It is possible but you need acgi dispatcher
>
> http://www.sentman.com/acgi/

We use this and it works quite well. Many of the code generation  
algorithms we run are hypertalk in a hypercard standalone.

(We also are the store for it.)

Kee Nethery
Kagi



From kee at kagi.com  Mon Jul  4 00:29:05 2005
From: kee at kagi.com (kee nethery)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 21:29:05 -0700
Subject: Tiger breaks hyperCard?
In-Reply-To: <p06200705bee603a0ef94@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <p06200705bee603a0ef94@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <145D745B-3301-424D-B793-BEE71AF91495@kagi.com>

If you are running Hypercard on the startup volume, it runs fine  
until you try to edit a script. That does not work.

If you are running externals in Hypercard, no clue whether they still  
function or not, I imagine they do, mostly.

If you want to edit scripts in Hypercard just create a small disk  
image and plop Hypercard and the home stack into that virtual disk.  
Then you can edit scripts just fine running that copy of Hypercard.

The offending code appears to me to be the script editor that is  
separate code inside Hypercard.

The Apple tech support folks at WWDC had the following response when  
I mentioned the problem "Hypercard is not supported, OS9 is not  
supported, we cannot help you."

Kee Nethery


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Mon Jul  4 03:55:24 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 09:55:24 +0200
Subject: Fwd: Tiger, HC and Reports
References: <20050703164924.40708.qmail@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C52BFCF5-F909-4CEC-AC06-B6C222E37DF4@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi all,
Christopher Rosien sent me the following mail: can interest HC users.

D?but du message r?exp?di? :

> FYI,
> here are two posts to the HC list that suggest the
> problem with and a workaround for Tiger, HC and
> Reports under Tiger
>
> http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/HyperCard/message/24932
>
> http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/HyperCard/message/24913
>
> :)


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From alex at harryscollar.com  Mon Jul  4 04:29:11 2005
From: alex at harryscollar.com (Alex Shaw)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 18:29:11 +1000
Subject: quick dirty ftp transfer?
In-Reply-To: <20050704023904.F0CD9824D18@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050704023904.F0CD9824D18@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <42C8F357.2090703@harryscollar.com>

hi

I haven't had much time to disect libURL but does anyone know if it is 
easy/possible/done to rig up a quick ftp-like transfer between 2 (or 
more) stacks using a combo of the libURLftpUploadFile and 
libURLDownloadToFile commands?

I just want to take advantage of the ability to send large file easily 
between stacks without the hassle of all the other ftp stuff (because i 
don't need it and would rather add it to a custom authenticity system), 
and obviously i don't really wanna code my own file-chomping scripts :)

regards
alex



From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Mon Jul  4 05:34:44 2005
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 10:34:44 +0100
Subject: quick dirty ftp transfer?
In-Reply-To: <42C8F357.2090703@harryscollar.com>
References: <20050704023904.F0CD9824D18@mail.runrev.com>
	<42C8F357.2090703@harryscollar.com>
Message-ID: <F65D09B2-5538-4E82-BE2E-50653A590C1A@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 4 Jul 2005, at 09:29, Alex Shaw wrote:

> hi
>
> I haven't had much time to disect libURL but does anyone know if it  
> is easy/possible/done to rig up a quick ftp-like transfer between 2  
> (or more) stacks using a combo of the libURLftpUploadFile and  
> libURLDownloadToFile commands?

Alex, can you give us a bit more information about what you're trying  
to do? Are the stacks in question on separate machines? How are the  
machines networked, LAN or only by internet?

You could use the libUrl ftp commands, but you'd need to go through  
an ftp server. I'm not sure, but I gather from your mail that you  
don't want to do that.

Cheers
Dave


>
> I just want to take advantage of the ability to send large file  
> easily between stacks without the hassle of all the other ftp stuff  
> (because i don't need it and would rather add it to a custom  
> authenticity system), and obviously i don't really wanna code my  
> own file-chomping scripts :)
>
> regards
> alex
>


From engleerica at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  4 07:13:11 2005
From: engleerica at yahoo.com (Eric Engle)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 04:13:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Hosting Stacks?
In-Reply-To: <20050704023904.F0CD9824D18@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20050704111311.51580.qmail@web60525.mail.yahoo.com>

Does anyone know a good free webhost that allows stacks and standalones to be
uploaded? 

Neither yahoo nor yahoo briefcase allow me to upload stacks (or standalones) 
:(

I have some goodies i would like to share :)

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From rev at armbase.com  Mon Jul  4 07:29:25 2005
From: rev at armbase.com (rev at armbase.com)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 12:29:25 +0100
Subject: Hosting Stacks?
In-Reply-To: <20050704111311.51580.qmail@web60525.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050704111311.51580.qmail@web60525.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1120476565.42c91d952a6e8@webmail.armbase.com>

Quoting Eric Engle <engleerica at yahoo.com>:

> Does anyone know a good free webhost that allows stacks and standalones to be
> uploaded?

Well not standalones, but if you want to share stacks there is revonline.

cheers
bob



From revinfo1155 at aol.com  Mon Jul  4 07:54:46 2005
From: revinfo1155 at aol.com (revinfo1155 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 07:54:46 -0400
Subject: Hosting Stacks?
In-Reply-To: <1120476565.42c91d952a6e8@webmail.armbase.com>
References: <20050704111311.51580.qmail@web60525.mail.yahoo.com>
	<1120476565.42c91d952a6e8@webmail.armbase.com>
Message-ID: <8C74EA64EAF1DD1-894-DCAA@FWM-R42.sysops.aol.com>

Don't know a free one but mac idisk does it hassle free.

jack



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From: rev at armbase.com
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 12:29:25 +0100
Subject: Re: Hosting Stacks?

   Quoting Eric Engle <engleerica at yahoo.com>:

> Does anyone know a good free webhost that allows stacks and 
standalones to be
> uploaded?

Well not standalones, but if you want to share stacks there is 
revonline.

cheers
bob

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From yoursignup at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  4 08:01:12 2005
From: yoursignup at yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 02:01:12 -1000
Subject: Hosting Stacks?
In-Reply-To: <20050704111311.51580.qmail@web60525.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLAEFEHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>

What about if the standalone is zipped? Everyone uploads and downloads
zips -Jim

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Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 1:13 AM
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Subject: Hosting Stacks?


Does anyone know a good free webhost that allows stacks and standalones to
be
uploaded?

Neither yahoo nor yahoo briefcase allow me to upload stacks (or standalones)
:(

I have some goodies i would like to share :)

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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Mon Jul  4 08:11:39 2005
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 07:11:39 -0500
Subject: Fwd: Tiger, HC and Reports
In-Reply-To: <C52BFCF5-F909-4CEC-AC06-B6C222E37DF4@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <20050703164924.40708.qmail@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<C52BFCF5-F909-4CEC-AC06-B6C222E37DF4@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <p06210201beeed79c99ff@[192.168.1.100]>

Is there any compelling reason (really) to use Tiger at all at this time?

I don't see any earth-shattering features.

sqb




From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Mon Jul  4 08:15:46 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 08:15:46 -0400
Subject: design problem: fonts and spacing
In-Reply-To: <1120442714.42c8995a339d3@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
References: <1120442714.42c8995a339d3@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <EA3AC728-5697-4A0A-B43C-D13261A2FCA8@conncoll.edu>

Thanks again. By the way, there are some errors to watch out for on  
this page. It says Lucida Console and Monaco are monospace; they're  
not. It also says New York and MS Serif are sans serif (!). I don't  
know if there are others.

Charles Hartman


On Jul 3, 2005, at 10:05 PM, Marielle Lange wrote:

>
> Common fonts to all versions of Windows & Mac equivalents
> <http://www.ampsoft.net/webdesign-l/WindowsMacFonts.html>
>
>

Charles Hartman
Professor of English, Poet in Residence
Connecticut College
charles.hartman at conncoll.edu
*the Scandroid* is at cherry.conncoll.edu/cohar/Programs







From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Mon Jul  4 08:17:44 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 08:17:44 -0400
Subject: Tiger, HC and Reports
In-Reply-To: <p06210201beeed79c99ff@[192.168.1.100]>
References: <20050703164924.40708.qmail@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<C52BFCF5-F909-4CEC-AC06-B6C222E37DF4@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<p06210201beeed79c99ff@[192.168.1.100]>
Message-ID: <A181AB8D-5B19-493D-97CC-FF9E49E2523B@conncoll.edu>

Only if you want to use applications that demand it -- of which, by  
now, there are at least dozens. Or if you want a Safari that performs  
at decent speed . . .


On Jul 4, 2005, at 8:11 AM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> Is there any compelling reason (really) to use Tiger at all at this  
> time?
>
> I don't see any earth-shattering features.
>
> sqb
>
>
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From nicolas_cueto at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  4 09:58:47 2005
From: nicolas_cueto at yahoo.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 22:58:47 +0900
Subject: making my first video game
References: <BEABCBEF.1DD0F%kray@sonsothunder.com><003201c57707$80baa840$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb><7B5C0C13-3847-4D9C-8299-D162DBFA35F2@major-k.de><007801c57a99$66247f20$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb><49ef330820f71a9423213a3a5168288b@swcp.com>
	<0b4b9830c0b99ce1c05b08dc97afeb18@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <01d201c580a0$80a84040$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>

Hello All,

I hope I'm not asking for too much hand-
holding on this one.

The shooting effect in the old space invaders 
game is what I'm after. I'm studying Tuviah
Snyder's "Bouncy" stack to learn about 
multiple objects moving at the same time
(the invaders) and the moving paddle
(the space gun), BUT what has got me 
stumped is how to create the stream of 
"bullets" that shoot out from the gun and, 
upon contact with a targer, set off a reaction.

Does that make sense?

Thanks for reading this far.

Cheers,
Nicolas Cueto




From richmond at mail.maclaunch.com  Fri Jul  1 13:04:41 2005
From: richmond at mail.maclaunch.com (Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 13:04:41 -0400
Subject: Embedded objects in fields
Message-ID: <web-333934758@mail.maclaunch.com>

I have just downloaded the SuperCard 4.5 demo and found
they have a new feature:

allowObjects

this lets the user embed object (images and so on) inside
FIELDS:

WOW - I would love scrolling text fields with pictures!

Richmond

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From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Mon Jul  4 10:03:47 2005
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 09:03:47 -0500
Subject: quick dirty ftp transfer?
In-Reply-To: <F65D09B2-5538-4E82-BE2E-50653A590C1A@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <20050704023904.F0CD9824D18@mail.runrev.com>	<42C8F357.2090703@harryscollar.com>
	<F65D09B2-5538-4E82-BE2E-50653A590C1A@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <42C941C3.4010603@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Dave Cragg wrote:
> You could use the libUrl ftp commands, but you'd need to go through  an 
> ftp server. I'm not sure, but I gather from your mail that you  don't 
> want to do that.

I think you'd be much better off taking advantage of Sockets, but if 
your looking for quick and dirty then FTP is a way to go.

Problem is that you can't simultaneously upload from 1 stack and 
download from another (well, it's possible, but NEVER recommended).  You 
have to upload the entire file first then download it to the other.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
_______________________________________________
Compress Photos for the Web with JPEGCompress
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/


From robert.cailliau at free.fr  Sat Jul  2 05:16:48 2005
From: robert.cailliau at free.fr (Robert Cailliau)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 11:16:48 +0200
Subject: Parameterising an application
Message-ID: <p05111b00beec029c7c4b@[192.168.1.8]>

Hello,

When building an app containing several stacks, one may want to use 
some constants that are to be used by more than one of the stacks.

E.g. I may want to use a set of colours or some dimension such as a 
fontsize that should be available everywhere.

Yet I do not want to declare the values more than once.

It seems I can do this in one of the following ways:

(1) declare and initialise a global variable, then declare and use it 
in other stacks:

Mainstack:

    global gRed

    on Initialise
      put "255,0,0" into gRed
    end Initialise

Other stack:

    global gRed

    ...
    set the backgroundcolor of field "X" to gRed
    ...



(2) create and set a property of the mainstack and use it in other stacks.

Mainstack:

    on Initialise
      set the pRed of this stack to "255,0,0"
    end Initialise

Other stack:


    ...
    set the backgroundcolor of field "X" to the pRed of stack "Main"
    ...




(3) declare a constant and duplicate that line of code in all stacks.

Mainstack:

    constant cRed = "255,0,0"

Other stack:

    constant cRed = "255,0,0"

    ...
    set the backgroundcolor of field "X" to cRed
    ...




Methods (1) and (2) have the disadvantage that I need to separate the 
declaration from the value assignment and/or need to write code in an 
initialisation routine.  Method (3) is in some sense worse because 
when I change my mind as to the value, I have to change it in all 
stacks that use it.


It seems I cannot do it by some statement like:

    global constant cRed = "255,0,0"

However, this restriction does not apply to handlers:  If I write a 
handler in the main stack's script and then call it from a substack, 
I do not have to make any declaration in the substack.  Similarly, it 
is sufficient to write

    start using stack <stackname>

to get access to all its handlers.

Maybe (suggestion) there should be a "global constant" statement, 
such that any global constants are application-wide and this would 
also apply to global constants declared in stacks used as libraries.

Since I designed and wrote my own languages and compilers (back in 
the 70's!) and spent a lot of time thinking about modular 
programming, I know that I'm asking for something that can only be 
implemented efficiently in a fully compiled language and not in an 
interpreted one  (C uses the horrible "header files" for this 
purpose).

But actually I do not care how global constants are implemented:  it 
will in fact have to be implemented in the same way as a global 
variable with implicit initialisation, thereby excluding some 
optimisations.
E.g. when I write

    constant cMargin = 35

    ...
    put  2*cMargin into lExtraSpace
    ...

Revolution can actually compile this into

    put 70 into lExtraSpace

and this optimisation would no longer be possible with values of 
global constants.
However, that is irrelevant:  it is also impossible with any of the 
other methods I gave.
What is much more important is that a global constant statement would 
allow me to collect all the application-wide values in one place, 
making the code cleaner and more robust.

There is one way in which I can use constant declarations right now: 
I could write a handler that looks at all the scripts of all the 
objects in my application and puts the block of constant declarations 
at the start of the scripts (or some place marked in some 
convention).  This is rather more ugly though.

Or can I have this facility already but I missed some part of the 
documentation?
Or has anyone a simpler and equally effective solution in terms of 
existing syntax?

Robert.


From keith at vortex.co.uk  Mon Jul  4 10:06:31 2005
From: keith at vortex.co.uk (Keith Martin)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 15:06:31 +0100
Subject: How do I make simple multiple user access app?
In-Reply-To: <1120440740.42c891a48b800@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
References: <1120440740.42c891a48b800@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <02457711-EE57-4C89-9236-025EFB6C716B@vortex.co.uk>

Marielle Lange wrote:

> Just in case not. I wonder if you know of PhPMyAdmin (wrongly named  
> as what it
> does is administer MySQL db).

and Stephen Bancard added:

> And if you have a Mac, CocoaMySQL (client) is far better for  
> managing a MySQL database than the server-based phpMyAdmin, in my  
> opinion, and it's free.

Thanks both of you. I use PHPMyAdmin right now for some ongoing MySQL  
tests. I don't have any serious problem with it, although it could  
certainly be better. Stephen, I'll grab a copy of CocoaMySQL and see  
how that goes, thanks!

k


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From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Mon Jul  4 10:11:31 2005
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 09:11:31 -0500
Subject: making my first video game
In-Reply-To: <01d201c580a0$80a84040$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>
References: <BEABCBEF.1DD0F%kray@sonsothunder.com><003201c57707$80baa840$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb><7B5C0C13-3847-4D9C-8299-D162DBFA35F2@major-k.de><007801c57a99$66247f20$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb><49ef330820f71a9423213a3a5168288b@swcp.com>	<0b4b9830c0b99ce1c05b08dc97afeb18@swcp.com>
	<01d201c580a0$80a84040$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>
Message-ID: <42C94393.5040501@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Nicolas,

Someone may prove me wrong, but that type of game might be a little too 
intense for Revolution.  I do hope that someone will prove me wrong as 
I'd love to make my own Space Invaders style game!

Problem is that you've got multiple objects moving at the same time. 
That's a lot of script to process.  Say 1 ship, 1 to 50 shots, 10 Alien 
Crafts and don't forget the powerups, upgrades and scrolling background.

There is a great stack on Edge Detection out there that will give you a 
way to determine whether an object (err...ship) was hit.  You can 
download it at < www.curryk.com/collide.html >.  That should give you 
something to work with.

I hope that you can prove my theory wrong...so Good Luck!!


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
_______________________________________________
Compress Photos for the Web with JPEGCompress
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/

Nicolas Cueto wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> I hope I'm not asking for too much hand-
> holding on this one.
> 
> The shooting effect in the old space invaders 
> game is what I'm after. I'm studying Tuviah
> Snyder's "Bouncy" stack to learn about 
> multiple objects moving at the same time
> (the invaders) and the moving paddle
> (the space gun), BUT what has got me 
> stumped is how to create the stream of 
> "bullets" that shoot out from the gun and, 
> upon contact with a targer, set off a reaction.
> 
> Does that make sense?
> 
> Thanks for reading this far.
> 
> Cheers,
> Nicolas Cueto
> 
> 
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Mon Jul  4 10:12:06 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 16:12:06 +0200
Subject: Embedded objects in fields
In-Reply-To: <web-333934758@mail.maclaunch.com>
References: <web-333934758@mail.maclaunch.com>
Message-ID: <300BDFAA-4296-4198-8EF9-BCEA52B18671@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi son of Matthew :-),

> WOW - I would love scrolling text fields with pictures!

ImageSource was introduced in Rev 1.1

Specifies an image to be displayed in place of the specified  
character in a field.
set the imageSource of character to {imageID |imageName |imageURL | 
empty}
So...

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From nicolas_cueto at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  4 10:37:18 2005
From: nicolas_cueto at yahoo.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 23:37:18 +0900
Subject: making my first video game
Message-ID: <01d801c580a5$e21a22d0$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>

Derek Bump offered:
 
> That's a lot of script to process.  Say 1 ship, 1 to 50 shots, 10 Alien
> Crafts and don't
> forget the powerups, upgrades and scrolling background.

Oh, I'm not aiming to make a space invaders game. What
I'm after is a space invaders-like feature, namely, multiple
shots. And only 1 to 10 shots, 5 Alien crafts (actually,
phonemes falling from the sky), and no powerups, upgrades
nor scrolling background. That'd be way over my meager
scripting abilities!

Thanks, too, for the reference to the Edge Detection stack.
Actually, for the "alien crafts", I'm thinking of copying
Tuviah Snyder's idea of using round buttons with a thick
border. Kind of looks like a space ship.

> I hope that you can prove my theory wrong...so Good Luck!!

Not much chance of that. So, let's hope for someone else.

Cheers,
Nicolas Cueto


From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Mon Jul  4 11:14:28 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 11:14:28 -0400
Subject: Embedded objects in fields
In-Reply-To: <web-333934758@mail.maclaunch.com>
References: <web-333934758@mail.maclaunch.com>
Message-ID: <B3889E07-B763-4ACE-B314-2953EB6EDBDC@conncoll.edu>


On Jul 1, 2005, at 1:04 PM, Mathewson wrote:

> I have just downloaded the SuperCard 4.5 demo and found
> they have a new feature:
>
> allowObjects
>
> this lets the user embed object (images and so on) inside
> FIELDS:
>
> WOW - I would love scrolling text fields with pictures!


-- and buttons! (At the moment I'm doing this is a non-scrolling  
field inside a scrolling group, but aside from being tedious that has  
other disadvantages, such as the scroll-wheel not working right.)

Charles Hartman




From dbrooks at unlserve.unl.edu  Mon Jul  4 11:15:20 2005
From: dbrooks at unlserve.unl.edu (David Brooks)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 10:15:20 -0500
Subject: CGI and AppleScript
In-Reply-To: <CE75F019-5D25-40FA-B8B4-E02FAD01352C@kagi.com>
References: <AED46EA2-81D7-4957-B67B-172A3C5BF4F9@mac.com>
	<a06110402bee8d1f8c7d4@[192.168.1.101]>
	<CE75F019-5D25-40FA-B8B4-E02FAD01352C@kagi.com>
Message-ID: <be12a8106d5fd0aa87793083b73fe6a8@unlserve.unl.edu>

I've used Dispatcher successfully

BUT

if the form has a textarea space, it quickly can send in many bytes.

In my hands, there seems to be a 2^11 (2048) byte cut off in what 
dispatcher will forward to RunRev.

Dave Brooks

>
> On Jun 29, 2005, at 3:32 PM, Robert Brenstein wrote:
>
>>>  And if so is there any way to call AppleScript from a CGI?
>>
>> It is possible but you need acgi dispatcher
>>
>> http://www.sentman.com/acgi/
>
> We use this and it works quite well. Many of the code generation 
> algorithms we run are hypertalk in a hypercard standalone.
>
> (We also are the store for it.)
>
> Kee Nethery
> Kagi
>
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From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Mon Jul  4 12:00:38 2005
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 17:00:38 +0100
Subject: making my first video game
In-Reply-To: <01d801c580a5$e21a22d0$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>
References: <01d801c580a5$e21a22d0$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>
Message-ID: <134453DB-5796-4F78-86F4-C2DD59A1DF85@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 4 Jul 2005, at 15:37, Nicolas Cueto wrote:

> Derek Bump offered:
>
>
>> That's a lot of script to process.  Say 1 ship, 1 to 50 shots, 10  
>> Alien
>> Crafts and don't
>> forget the powerups, upgrades and scrolling background.
>>
>
> Oh, I'm not aiming to make a space invaders game. What
> I'm after is a space invaders-like feature, namely, multiple
> shots. And only 1 to 10 shots, 5 Alien crafts (actually,
> phonemes falling from the sky), and no powerups, upgrades
> nor scrolling background. That'd be way over my meager
> scripting abilities!

Hi Nicolas

I've seen this done, and in fact I've converted an old Hyprcard stack  
to Rev with exactly this kind of activity. It was a lot of fun.  
Unfortunately, it was in a commercial product so I can't just pass  
over the stack.

But here's the gist of one way to do it. (Very simple example) In  
this case, there were 5 falling targets, each with a letter. A word  
was spoken, and the user tries to hit the target with the  
corresponding letter  by moving left and right controls, and pressing  
the "fire" button when aligned with the target. In this activity, if  
the wrong target was hit, the missile just passed through the target.  
(This may not be exciting enough, but I'll leave that to you.) Also,  
there is no stream of missiles, just one at a time.

Naturally, the most important thing is the coolness of the sound when  
you fire the missile. (Something like "pshwooooo")


on fireMissile
   ## the "target" image is determined elsewhere
   put the cTargetImage of this card into tTarget

   ##  first work out the left and right edges of the target
   put the left of image tTarget into tL
   put the right of image tTarget into tR

   ##play your cool sound
   ## it's good if it plays as soon as the button is clicked
   play audioclip "missile"

   ## set the starting position of the missile
   set the loc of image "missile" to the loc of image "spaceShip"
   show image "missile"

  ##determine whether it's a hit or not before you even move the missile
## and determine where you want your missile to disappear if it's a miss
   put item 1 of the loc of image "missile" into Xloc

   if xLoc >= tL and xLoc <= tR then ##hit
     put true into tHit
     put the loc of image tTarget into tDestLoc
     put xLoc into item 1 of tDestLoc
   else
     put false into tHit
     put xLoc & ",20" into tDestLoc
   end if

   set the moveSpeed to 600
   move image "missile" to tDestLoc
   hide image "missile"

   if tHit then
     hide image tTarget

     play audioclip "destruct"
     wait until the sound is done

   end if

end fireMissile

Cheers
Dave



From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Mon Jul  4 12:05:38 2005
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 09:05:38 -0700
Subject: compileIt for revolution?
In-Reply-To: <42BBFC94.8030905@sover.net>
References: <20050622160127.1D86B93012B@mail.runrev.com>
	<42B9F9D8.4080302@fourthworld.com>
	<2CA261D3-98AD-4DC3-84DF-D44C69A55D5C@inspiredlogic.com>
	<42BBFC94.8030905@sover.net>
Message-ID: <D56352B4-170B-45A7-9F0C-52C7BA1D7348@inspiredlogic.com>

I still can't download this from RevOnline. If I'm the only one then  
fine, but otherwise can you make it available for download in some  
other way, or at least try re-uploading it to RevOnline?

On Jun 24, 2005, at 5:29 AM, Jon wrote:

> If anyone wants to try to help me speed optimize my image  
> processing loops, download the obvious program from my user space.   
> Load an image of your choice (but hopefully larger than your  
> screen, to be realistic), then select Brightness, then Linear.
>



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Jul  4 12:18:21 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 11:18:21 -0500
Subject: [ANN] RevZilla 2.0.3 Available
Message-ID: <BEEECB7D.245E9%kray@sonsothunder.com>

Just a quick note to let you know there was a couple of bug fixes in the
latest release that were causing submission errors when making changes to
existing bugs.

You can get it at the usual places - RevOnline, RevNet, and my web site at:

  http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/RevZilla2.htm

Enjoy!

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Jul  4 12:25:42 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 11:25:42 -0500
Subject: Parameterising an application
In-Reply-To: <p05111b00beec029c7c4b@[192.168.1.8]>
Message-ID: <BEEECD36.245F9%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 7/2/05 4:16 AM, "Robert Cailliau" <robert.cailliau at free.fr> wrote:


> Methods (1) and (2) have the disadvantage that I need to separate the
> declaration from the value assignment and/or need to write code in an
> initialisation routine.  Method (3) is in some sense worse because
> when I change my mind as to the value, I have to change it in all
> stacks that use it.

Yup.

> It seems I cannot do it by some statement like:
> 
>     global constant cRed = "255,0,0"
> 
> However, this restriction does not apply to handlers:  If I write a
> handler in the main stack's script and then call it from a substack,
> I do not have to make any declaration in the substack.  Similarly, it
> is sufficient to write
> 
>     start using stack <stackname>
> 
> to get access to all its handlers.
> 
> Maybe (suggestion) there should be a "global constant" statement,
> such that any global constants are application-wide and this would
> also apply to global constants declared in stacks used as libraries.

(Here we go again...)  ;-)

Sorry, Robert, but there were two VERY LONG threads on the Improve Rev list
recently about this, and the bottom line result was that if it is important
to you then vote for it in BugZilla (Bug #2401) and we'll see if RunRev puts
it in.

For right now, it seems that the simplest way to simulate global constants
is to create a function handler in a stack that you can get to (like a
library stack) that returns the static value and then use that in your code.

Ex.  libStuff

function cRed
  return "255,0,0"
end cRed

Elsewhere:

  set the backgroundColor of field 1 to cRed()

HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Mon Jul  4 12:26:04 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 18:26:04 +0200
Subject: [ANN] New Tutorial available from So Smart Software
Message-ID: <E68AC202-0583-42CA-8B20-3A0FCBFD07E8@sosmartsoftware.com>

Paris, Mon, 4 Jul 2005 18:25:00 +0100

---------------------- English version -------------------------

Hello,

So Smart Software has the pleasure of announcing the availability of  
a new tutorial:
How to Manage Resizing

This stack explains how to position, scale, etc. all controls in a  
card when the window is resized with the help of the Geometry Manager  
or by scripting.
Tips and tricks, commented scripts, FAQ and example stacks.
Print function included.

If you have already downloaded the Tutorials Picker plugin (from Rev  
Online or my web-site), this 17th tutorial will appear automatically  
in the list.
This tutorial can be downloaded as a zip archive separately from  
http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/?r=revolution_didacticiels&l=en
Note that the version available through Tutorials Picker will be the  
only one which will be updated if needed.

Best regards,

Eric Chatonet.

If you don't want to be on this low traffic list, you can unsubscribe  
by emailing to mailinglist at sosmartsoftware.com  with  
"unsubscribe" (without the quotes) in the subject line.

--------------------- Version fran?aise ------------------------

Bonjour,

So Smart Software a le plaisir d'annoncer la disponibilit? d'un  
nouveau didacticiel :
Comment redimensionner le contenu d'une fen?tre

Cette pile explique comment positionner, mettre ? l'?chelle, etc. les  
contr?les dans une carte en fonction des dimensions de la fen?tre ?  
l'aide du Geometry Manager ou par script. Nombreux trucs et astuces,  
scripts expliqu?s, FAQ et piles d'exemple.
Fonction d'impression incluse.

Si vous avez d?j? t?l?charg? le plugin Tutorials Picker (depuis Rev  
Online ou depuis mon site), ce 17?me didacticiel appara?tra  
automatiquement dans la liste.
Le didacticiel est ?galement disponible sous la forme d'une arhive  
zip en allant ? http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/? 
r=revolution_didacticiels&l=fr
Notez que la version disponible via Tutorials Picker sera la seule ?  
faire l'objet d'?ventuelles mises ? jour.

Cordialement,

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From b.xavier at internet.lu  Mon Jul  4 12:12:29 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 18:12:29 +0200
Subject: compileIt for revolution?
In-Reply-To: <D56352B4-170B-45A7-9F0C-52C7BA1D7348@inspiredlogic.com>
Message-ID: <20050704164050.7AB828248E1@mail.runrev.com>

Geoff

did you get a corrupted zip archive too? 

yop!
Xav

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Geoff Canyon
> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 18:06
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: compileIt for revolution?
> 
> I still can't download this from RevOnline. If I'm the only 
> one then fine, but otherwise can you make it available for 
> download in some other way, or at least try re-uploading it 
> to RevOnline?
> 
> On Jun 24, 2005, at 5:29 AM, Jon wrote:
> 
> > If anyone wants to try to help me speed optimize my image  
> > processing loops, download the obvious program from my user 
> space.   
> > Load an image of your choice (but hopefully larger than 
> your screen, 
> > to be realistic), then select Brightness, then Linear.
> >
> 
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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> your subscription preferences:
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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Mon Jul  4 13:09:48 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 13:09:48 -0400
Subject: making my first video game
In-Reply-To: <01d801c580a5$e21a22d0$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>
References: <01d801c580a5$e21a22d0$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>
Message-ID: <119a317a985ccdd5c75f5307ab6c53bf@adelphia.net>

In an old SC stack I broke down the collective movements of mutliple 
object that needed to move.

Instead of
move object 1 from 0,0 to 50,50 end and then
move object 2 from 0,0 to 40,40 end etc.

  I tried a script where:
repeat this list until all moves are done
move object 1 from 0,0 to 10,10
move object 2 from 0,0 to 9,9
move object 1 from 10,10 to 20,20
move object 2 from 10,10 to 19,19

the concept worked ok in SC

tom


On Jul 4, 2005, at 10:37 AM, Nicolas Cueto wrote:

> Derek Bump offered:
>
>> That's a lot of script to process.  Say 1 ship, 1 to 50 shots, 10 
>> Alien
>> Crafts and don't
>> forget the powerups, upgrades and scrolling background.
>
> Oh, I'm not aiming to make a space invaders game. What
> I'm after is a space invaders-like feature, namely, multiple
> shots. And only 1 to 10 shots, 5 Alien crafts (actually,
> phonemes falling from the sky), and no powerups, upgrades
> nor scrolling background. That'd be way over my meager
> scripting abilities!
>
> Thanks, too, for the reference to the Edge Detection stack.
> Actually, for the "alien crafts", I'm thinking of copying
> Tuviah Snyder's idea of using round buttons with a thick
> border. Kind of looks like a space ship.
>
>> I hope that you can prove my theory wrong...so Good Luck!!
>
> Not much chance of that. So, let's hope for someone else.
>
> Cheers,
> Nicolas Cueto
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2.6


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Artist
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3mcgrath at adelphia.net





From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Jul  4 13:12:31 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 12:12:31 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Ken Forgot To Upload Files (was "RevZilla 2.0.3 Available")
Message-ID: <BEEED82F.24620%kray@sonsothunder.com>

'nuff said...

Download link should work now...

:-)

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Jul  4 13:17:38 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 18:17:38 +0100
Subject: making my first video game
In-Reply-To: <01d201c580a0$80a84040$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>
References: <BEABCBEF.1DD0F%kray@sonsothunder.com><003201c57707$80baa840$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb><7B5C0C13-3847-4D9C-8299-D162DBFA35F2@major-k.de><007801c57a99$66247f20$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb><49ef330820f71a9423213a3a5168288b@swcp.com>	<0b4b9830c0b99ce1c05b08dc97afeb18@swcp.com>
	<01d201c580a0$80a84040$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>
Message-ID: <42C96F32.3060902@tweedly.net>

Nicolas Cueto wrote:

>Hello All,
>
>I hope I'm not asking for too much hand-
>holding on this one.
>
>The shooting effect in the old space invaders 
>game is what I'm after. I'm studying Tuviah
>Snyder's "Bouncy" stack to learn about 
>multiple objects moving at the same time
>(the invaders) and the moving paddle
>(the space gun), BUT what has got me 
>stumped is how to create the stream of 
>"bullets" that shoot out from the gun and, 
>upon contact with a targer, set off a reaction.
>
>  
>
If I remember correctly (which is doubtful after all these years), the 
original Space Invaders only allowed one shot at a time. That was a 
significant feature, because it dictated part of the technique needed to 
play - it was very expensive to shoot and miss, because you then 
couldn't fire again until that missile had dragged its way slowly to the 
top of the screen. (Of course, it was really moving quickly, but it felt 
like it was going soooo slowly :-)

However, multiple missiles should be quite feasible if you want that.

>Does that make sense?
>  
>
That sounds fairly "do-able". I'd be tempted to try button-with-image 
for the aliens (and player, and mother ships), but use Geoff Canyon's 
"polygon with marker and invisible edge" trick to do the missiles. 
Create a polygon graphic, with the "marker edges" set to represent a 
missile (e.g.
 0,0
2,0
2,-8
0,-10
-2,-8
-2,0
0,0)
and check the 'filled' checkbox.  Then place missiles by setting the 
points of the polygon, e.g.
100,100

100,60

100,40

100,100
Note the blank lines so the edges aren't drawn, and the last line = the 
first line.

Then a simple timer for each 'alien' button (or one timer for all 
buttons, but move the aliens one at a time ....) and off you go.

The timer handler for the missile(s) can include the collision detection 
with the aliens (I haven't looked at the site Derek gave you - but 
beware of using too general a function - for one stream of missiles 
matching against a set of same-sized aliens, this should be easy).


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From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Jul  4 13:38:12 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 18:38:12 +0100
Subject: compileIt for revolution?
In-Reply-To: <D56352B4-170B-45A7-9F0C-52C7BA1D7348@inspiredlogic.com>
References: <20050622160127.1D86B93012B@mail.runrev.com>	<42B9F9D8.4080302@fourthworld.com>	<2CA261D3-98AD-4DC3-84DF-D44C69A55D5C@inspiredlogic.com>	<42BBFC94.8030905@sover.net>
	<D56352B4-170B-45A7-9F0C-52C7BA1D7348@inspiredlogic.com>
Message-ID: <42C97404.8070907@tweedly.net>

Geoff Canyon wrote:

> I still can't download this from RevOnline. If I'm the only one then  
> fine, but otherwise can you make it available for download in some  
> other way, or at least try re-uploading it to RevOnline?
>
Geoff - did you not see the email from 6/29 where I posted the central 
part of the code in question ?

You can find it at gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user:61341 
<http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user/61341/match=+central+jon+>

RevOnline has decided to disown me :-( - so I've posted a copy on my 
site.  This includes some commented out sections where I was playing 
around - please ignore them.  In your message box, enter
go url "http://www.tweedly.net/RunRev/agtimage.rev"

You'll then need to do "Files/Open" to give it an image to use (stick to 
something smaller than 800x600)
Then "Brightness/Linear" to compute the histogram (I think the action is 
commented out - takes long enough to do this first part).

Note I already sent one email describing some obvious improvements - but 
that still left the performance a couple of orders of magnitude too slow 
... this one is at   gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user:61547 
<http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user/61547/match=yesterday+problems>

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From rodneys at io.com  Mon Jul  4 13:39:14 2005
From: rodneys at io.com (Rodney Somerstein)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 13:39:14 -0400
Subject: Kevin Miller's scripting conference chat log
In-Reply-To: <42B88195.3060608@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <42B88195.3060608@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <p06110402beef248736ff@[192.168.0.2]>

>During our last scripting conference, Kevin Miller gave a 
>presentation on Revolution 2.6 and answered questions from the 
>participants about Revolution and future plans. I have posted the 
>transcript of that portion of the conference, and you can download 
>it here:
>
><http://support.runrev.com/scriptingconferences/stacks/kmillerchat.rtf>
>
>You will need a program that can open .rtf files to read it.
>
>The remainder of the conference was Richard Gaskin's presentation on 
>the message hierarchy. The transcript of that portion is contained 
>in the downloadable scripting conference stack as usual.
>

I have tried to download this several times and get a file not found 
error. Can you please correct the above link or re-upload the file so 
that it is downloadable?

Thanks,

-Rodney


From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Jul  4 13:45:35 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 18:45:35 +0100
Subject: Parameterising an application
In-Reply-To: <BEEECD36.245F9%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <BEEECD36.245F9%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <42C975BF.4090009@tweedly.net>

Ken Ray wrote:

>
>(Here we go again...)  ;-)
>
>Sorry, Robert, but there were two VERY LONG threads on the Improve Rev list
>recently about this, 
>
Since 90% of the folks on this list doesn't, and can't, see what's been 
discussed on the Improve list, that's not especially helpful. 

>and the bottom line result was that if it is important
>to you then vote for it in BugZilla (Bug #2401) and we'll see if RunRev puts
>it in.
>
>  
>
It looks (from the comment in BZ 2401) as though some interesting 
discussion happened - but without knowing what that was, it's hard to 
avoid repeating it here. And certainly hard to vote for "the answer" 
without knowing why it's "the answer".

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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Mon Jul  4 13:45:55 2005
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 10:45:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: making my first video game
In-Reply-To: <01d201c580a0$80a84040$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507041044590.29374-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Kinda like Asteroids?

Didn't somebody on this group do one of those?

(I may have it on my university's ftp server... will have to take a look
if nobody else has located it already).

Judy

On Mon, 4 Jul 2005, Nicolas Cueto wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I hope I'm not asking for too much hand-
> holding on this one.
>
> The shooting effect in the old space invaders
> game is what I'm after.




From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Mon Jul  4 13:47:34 2005
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 10:47:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Embedded objects in fields
In-Reply-To: <web-333934758@mail.maclaunch.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507041046090.29374-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Richmond,

As you are probably less of a goober than I, take a look at imageSource.

While in my current harried state I was not able to get it to work, I know
that others have.  This allows you to do precisely what you desire (well,
okay, I don't know about the precision part...).

Judy

On Fri, 1 Jul 2005, Mathewson wrote:

> I have just downloaded the SuperCard 4.5 demo and found
> they have a new feature:
>
> allowObjects
>
> this lets the user embed object (images and so on) inside
> FIELDS:
>
> WOW - I would love scrolling text fields with pictures!



From see3d at writeme.com  Mon Jul  4 13:55:31 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 13:55:31 -0400
Subject: Stack Level Local/Globals
Message-ID: <D5140051-EEFA-466A-9DEB-A6DCFAB0916F@writeme.com>

Hi All,

I have searched all over BZ looking for an enhancement to the global  
or local declarations that provide the missing Stack level scope in  
Transcript because I wanted to add my votes to it, but I can't seem  
to find it.  Could someone point me to it, otherwise I will enter it.

Global variable = Scope across all stacks --these are a pain to use  
because the scope is too broad so they need special naming conventions.
Stack global variable =  Scope across sub-stacks --this is the  
missing scope that could replace globals in most situations.
Script local variable = Scope across script --we have this
Local variable = Scope inside handler --we have this

The stack global/local variable (I am not sure what it should be  
called) just has the scope of a single main-stack and sub-stacks.   
This means that I could assign "global" names to a project without  
having to take into consideration global names that may have been  
used by someone else.  This seems like the missing scope piece that  
would simply solve many problems.  It was suggested to me privately  
in an email, so I assumed that it has had an enhancement request in BZ.

Dennis

From jbondy at sover.net  Mon Jul  4 14:44:47 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 14:44:47 -0400
Subject: Where are my sub-menus?
In-Reply-To: <p06200707beee68c213eb@[69.19.167.78]>
References: <20050704023904.F0CD9824D18@mail.runrev.com>
	<p06200707beee68c213eb@[69.19.167.78]>
Message-ID: <42C9839F.4050906@sover.net>

/curmudgeon_mode=on

I'd rate this kind of undocumented, uncontrollable, and quirky "feature" 
as exactly the kind of thing to avoid.  I understand that the intent is 
good, but the result is clearly confusion.  How about a preference to 
control this behavior, and some documentation?  It reminds me of the 
recent Windows (XP?) feature where menu entries disappear if you don't 
use them enough.  I disable this on every system I encounter.

/curmudgeon_mode=off

:)

Jon



Jim Hurley wrote:

>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 23:33:08 +0200
>> From: Eric Chatonet <eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com>
>> Subject: Re: Where are my sub-menus?
>> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>> Message-ID: <3AA194D2-5896-4429-AA33-E3F87EC2A315 at sosmartsoftware.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=ISO-8859-1;    delsp=yes; 
>>     format=flowed
>>
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> There is a threshold: no sub-menus with a few controls and sub-menus 
>> with more than 20 controls.
>> So go on working and you will get back your sub-menus ;-)
>>
>
> Hi Eric,
>
> So that's it. I thought I had been hallucinating.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim
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From jbondy at sover.net  Mon Jul  4 14:54:10 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 14:54:10 -0400
Subject: compileIt for revolution?
In-Reply-To: <D56352B4-170B-45A7-9F0C-52C7BA1D7348@inspiredlogic.com>
References: <20050622160127.1D86B93012B@mail.runrev.com>	<42B9F9D8.4080302@fourthworld.com>	<2CA261D3-98AD-4DC3-84DF-D44C69A55D5C@inspiredlogic.com>	<42BBFC94.8030905@sover.net>
	<D56352B4-170B-45A7-9F0C-52C7BA1D7348@inspiredlogic.com>
Message-ID: <42C985D2.6000807@sover.net>

The stack is still available from

www.jonbondy.com/jlbimage.rev

:)

Jon


Geoff Canyon wrote:

> I still can't download this from RevOnline. If I'm the only one then  
> fine, but otherwise can you make it available for download in some  
> other way, or at least try re-uploading it to RevOnline?
>
> On Jun 24, 2005, at 5:29 AM, Jon wrote:
>
>> If anyone wants to try to help me speed optimize my image  processing 
>> loops, download the obvious program from my user space.   Load an 
>> image of your choice (but hopefully larger than your  screen, to be 
>> realistic), then select Brightness, then Linear.
>>
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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> subscription preferences:
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Mon Jul  4 15:07:28 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 21:07:28 +0200
Subject: Stack Level Local/Globals
In-Reply-To: <D5140051-EEFA-466A-9DEB-A6DCFAB0916F@writeme.com>
References: <D5140051-EEFA-466A-9DEB-A6DCFAB0916F@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <B80FF68F-23AF-4D97-83FE-0D9C9F80D89B@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Dennis,

I agree since I provide many tools for the community that are made to  
run in the IDE.
So I never use globals but I prefer to refer to some custom  
properties stored in specific custom property sets in my plugins or  
in the revPreferences stack.
BTW, I found that referring to custom properties is as fast as using  
global variables and they don't vanish when they are stored in  
revPreferences.
That's great :-)
But...
The main aim with Rev is to build standalones where this problem does  
not exist since all yours globals are of course stack global  
variables ;-)

Le 4 juil. 05 ? 19:55, Dennis Brown a ?crit :

> I have searched all over BZ looking for an enhancement to the  
> global or local declarations that provide the missing Stack level  
> scope in Transcript because I wanted to add my votes to it, but I  
> can't seem to find it.  Could someone point me to it, otherwise I  
> will enter it.
>
> Global variable = Scope across all stacks --these are a pain to use  
> because the scope is too broad so they need special naming  
> conventions.
> Stack global variable =  Scope across sub-stacks --this is the  
> missing scope that could replace globals in most situations.
> Script local variable = Scope across script --we have this
> Local variable = Scope inside handler --we have this
>
> The stack global/local variable (I am not sure what it should be  
> called) just has the scope of a single main-stack and sub-stacks.   
> This means that I could assign "global" names to a project without  
> having to take into consideration global names that may have been  
> used by someone else.  This seems like the missing scope piece that  
> would simply solve many problems.  It was suggested to me privately  
> in an email, so I assumed that it has had an enhancement request in  
> BZ.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From jbondy at sover.net  Mon Jul  4 15:30:38 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 15:30:38 -0400
Subject: (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <1120391635.42c7d1d3cf138@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
References: <1120391635.42c7d1d3cf138@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <42C98E5E.9090201@sover.net>

Marielle:

Thanks for your thoughts.  Others on the list have demonstrated to my 
satisfaction that there is no easy way to actually use the Rev language 
to manipulate the arrays in an efficient manner, Jim's comments 
notwithstanding.  If I'm willing to use externals of any sort, it is 
easy to speed things up.  My interest was only in writing portable code 
with Rev, not in learning or using ancillary facilities, if which there 
are myriad I'm sure.

:)

Jon



Marielle Lange wrote:

>>Jon,
>>
>>My point exactly: "a large array of numbers" = "data" So is the photograph
>>you are computing the histogram on. Would either of these change, if you
>>switch languages? Hence, they are external to your language, or "data."
>>
>>I write business application software, so I've never had to compute a
>>histogram and admit I have no clue as to what's involved in that process.
>>
>>But, if you know the kind of data manipulation you will be doing in advance,
>>you can parse, index, or otherwise reorganize the source data in such a way
>>as to minimize large data sources or "large arrays."
>>
>>Now, depending on how well you organized your data, whether your language is
>>in pcode or machine compiled, results in only milliseconds of difference.
>>    
>>
>
>Jim,
>
>I support your view... I often have to manipulate huge lexical databases (50.000
>lines, 50 columns). Usint the same computer language, I was often able to cut
>running time down from 30 minutes to 2 min. by using more effective resource
>management techniques.
>
>Jon,
>
>If you cannot see ways in which you can reorganize your data... why not consider
>using Awk for your array processing (something that Awk excels at). Awk is
>freely available on any platform, doesn't take more than 200K, and can be
>learned in one day for your purpose (simple array processing). It is quite easy
>to call to it to do array processing on large data and get the result back to
>revolution. You will find information about Awk at
><http://www.cs.wustl.edu/~loui/sigplan> (Why GAWK for AI?)
><http://revolution.lexicall.org/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=ProgrammingAwk>
>
>Marielle
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>  
>


From jbondy at sover.net  Mon Jul  4 15:33:04 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 15:33:04 -0400
Subject: regular expressions
In-Reply-To: <1120391848.42c7d2a83c96c@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
References: <1120391848.42c7d2a83c96c@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <42C98EF0.4010300@sover.net>

Marielle:

My personal reaction to statements like "of course it is very easy to 
make errors and quite difficult to keep track of what you are effectively
doing" leaves me pretty much uninterested.  Some of us do well with 
terse and complex languages.  I'm on the other end, wanting visual 
clarity during coding, as a means towards more reliable code.

Jon


Marielle Lange wrote:

>>Nobody *likes* RegEx. But it is powerful, and we use it because there
>>is no practical alternative. I wish there were.
>>    
>>
>
>Hi Dave,
>
>I do like regEx very much. Simply because that's the optimal solution to the
>problem they address. That's an extraordinarily clever solution, which let you
>write in a single line, what could take you pages of programs to code. Thanks
>to regular expressions, I wrote in less than 20 lines the equivalent of a
>program that a colleague of mine had written in nearly 10 pages.
>
>Of course, the learning curve is very very slow... of course it is very easy to
>make errors and quite difficult to keep track of what you are effectively
>doing.  My approach is to test my regEx in editors like BBedit (mac) or notetab
>(pc) first, so that I can tune them in an environment where I can rapidly check
>that the effects are as desired (and yes, this may take a few trial and
>errors).
>
>Believe me, once you come to master regEx (which requires extensive use, in
>different contexts) them, you come to see them as a real blessing rather than a
>curse. After a rocky start, you just fall deeply in love with them.
>
>Marielle
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>
>  
>


From revolution at derbrill.de  Mon Jul  4 16:02:58 2005
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 22:02:58 +0200
Subject: compileIt for revolution?
In-Reply-To: <20050704170003.88FAE824934@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <9DED7AE2-ECC6-11D9-8CA4-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>



I got a question: Is the goal only to add the charToNum values for 
Red,Green and blue for each pixel? I?m not sure If I understand the 
original script correctly. If so there is a very speedy alternative. If 
not could you please explain in a few words of pseudo code what the 
script needs to do?

Thanks,

Malte


From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Jul  4 16:10:30 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 21:10:30 +0100
Subject: compileIt for revolution?
In-Reply-To: <9DED7AE2-ECC6-11D9-8CA4-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>
References: <9DED7AE2-ECC6-11D9-8CA4-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <42C997B6.80606@tweedly.net>

Malte Brill wrote:

>
>
> I got a question: Is the goal only to add the charToNum values for 
> Red,Green and blue for each pixel? I?m not sure If I understand the 
> original script correctly. If so there is a very speedy alternative. 
> If not could you please explain in a few words of pseudo code what the 
> script needs to do?
>
Goal is to create a histogram of total pixel values
i.e.

repeat with i = 1 to 768
   put 0 into histogram[i]
end repeat
repeat for each pixel P in img "image"
    add 1 to histogram[P.red + P.green + P.blue] 
end repeat

The *real* goal is to then create a translation table which linearizes 
these values, and then revisit them doing

repeat for each pixel P in img "image"
    put translation(P.red, P.green, P.blue]) into P
end repeat

-- 
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Jul  4 16:35:20 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 15:35:20 -0500
Subject: Parameterising an application
In-Reply-To: <42C975BF.4090009@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <BEEF07B8.24667%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 7/4/05 12:45 PM, "Alex Tweedly" <alex at tweedly.net> wrote:

> Ken Ray wrote:
> 
>> 
>> (Here we go again...)  ;-)
>> 
>> Sorry, Robert, but there were two VERY LONG threads on the Improve Rev list
>> recently about this,
>> 
> Since 90% of the folks on this list doesn't, and can't, see what's been
> discussed on the Improve list, that's not especially helpful.

Well that may be true, but since AFAIK all the people on the Improve list
are on the Use list, starting the same discussion all over again would cause
all those people who were involved the first time to repost their opinions
*again*. 

This was also discussed a couple of years ago - you can look it up at
Google, search for:

   global constants site:lists.runrev.com

>> and the bottom line result was that if it is important
>> to you then vote for it in BugZilla (Bug #2401) and we'll see if RunRev puts
>> it in.
>> 
> It looks (from the comment in BZ 2401) as though some interesting
> discussion happened - but without knowing what that was, it's hard to
> avoid repeating it here. And certainly hard to vote for "the answer"
> without knowing why it's "the answer".

If you'd like to restart the discussion, go ahead... it seems to be very
popular indeed...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From revdan at danshafer.com  Mon Jul  4 16:52:57 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 13:52:57 -0700
Subject: regular expressions
In-Reply-To: <981371612.20050703085629@ahsoftware.net>
References: <1120391848.42c7d2a83c96c@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
	<981371612.20050703085629@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <BC813D23-7FE5-43DD-AD98-38B0E94F7C89@danshafer.com>

JavaScript defined a regex class fairly early on to insulate users of  
that xTalk-like language from the rigors of RegEx syntax, which can  
be not only daunting but is inherently unreadable, sort of like  
assembly language.

Dan

On Jul 3, 2005, at 8:56 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Marielle-
>
> Sunday, July 3, 2005, 4:57:28 AM, you wrote:
>
> ML> Of course, the learning curve is very very slow... of course it  
> is very easy to
> ML> make errors and quite difficult to keep track of what you are  
> effectively
> ML> doing.  My approach is to test my regEx in editors like BBedit  
> (mac) or notetab
> ML> (pc) first, so that I can tune them in an environment where I  
> can rapidly check
> ML> that the effects are as desired (and yes, this may take a few  
> trial and
> ML> errors).
>
> I'm also quite fond of The Regex Coach (pc)
>
> http://weitz.de/index.html
>
> ML> Believe me, once you come to master regEx (which requires  
> extensive use, in
> ML> different contexts) them, you come to see them as a real  
> blessing rather than a
> ML> curse. After a rocky start, you just fall deeply in love with  
> them.
>
> ...although I dare say that anyone who has trouble with Hungarian
> notation will run screaming from regex syntax. Very powerful, but
> about as far from xTalk's natural language approach as you can get...
>
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
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From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Mon Jul  4 16:59:59 2005
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 21:59:59 +0100
Subject: Stack Level Local/Globals
In-Reply-To: <B80FF68F-23AF-4D97-83FE-0D9C9F80D89B@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <D5140051-EEFA-466A-9DEB-A6DCFAB0916F@writeme.com>
	<B80FF68F-23AF-4D97-83FE-0D9C9F80D89B@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <0CB0CBCD-3BFD-467D-B566-C94AD1F24B5E@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 4 Jul 2005, at 20:07, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi Dennis,
>
> I agree since I provide many tools for the community that are made  
> to run in the IDE.

I agree too. :)

> So I never use globals but I prefer to refer to some custom  
> properties stored in specific custom property sets in my plugins or  
> in the revPreferences stack.
> BTW, I found that referring to custom properties is as fast as  
> using global variables and they don't vanish when they are stored  
> in revPreferences.
> That's great :-)

Eric, my own testing shows that accessing custom properties is  
significantly slower than accessing globals. (Over 20 times slower in  
a simple test.) When I have to refer to custom properties frequently  
(for example when going through hundreds of elements of a  
customPropertySet), I usually copy them to a variable first. But  
perhaps the access times vary by circumstances.

This was the most recent test I ran.

global gTest
on mouseUp
   set the cTest of me to 100
   put 100 into gTest
   put 100000 into tTimes
   put the milliseconds into tStart
   repeat tTimes
     get gTest
   end repeat
   put the milliseconds - tStart into tOut
   put the milliseconds into tStart
   repeat tTimes
     get the cTest of me
   end repeat
   put cr & the milliseconds - tStart after tOut
   put tOut
end mouseUp


>>
>> The stack global/local variable (I am not sure what it should be  
>> called) just has the scope of a single main-stack and sub-stacks.

How about just "stack variable"?

Cheers
Dave




From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Jul  4 17:04:19 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 22:04:19 +0100
Subject: Button leaving behind droppings
Message-ID: <42C9A453.7060609@tweedly.net>


Is there something else I ought to do (or not do) here ?

Create a new mainstack
Create a button in it  (all default values)

edit the card script to say

on mouseMove
  put the loc of button "button" into tLoc
  put item 1 of the mouseloc into item 1 of tLoc
  set the loc of button "button" to tLoc
end mouseMove

and the button moves along with the mouse, just like you'd want.

Then Inspect the button, and select "default button" - now the button 
moves, but leaves behind "droppings" as it moves.

Is there something else I ought to do to move a "default" button, or 
should I BZ this ?
(winXP, Rev 2.6, and 2.5 but not 2.2)

-- 
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From revdan at danshafer.com  Mon Jul  4 17:08:49 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 14:08:49 -0700
Subject: PDFs in QT Player -- Hot Links Challenge
In-Reply-To: <D211AB38-28A0-459B-97A4-CED2F9EE8851@hindu.org>
References: <D211AB38-28A0-459B-97A4-CED2F9EE8851@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <54045D89-171B-41A1-A3CD-88059E824AC1@danshafer.com>

On OS X 10.4.1 with Rev 2.6.1, PDFs are not among the file types one  
can load into a QT Player.

Unless, of course, I'm missing something. At least I don't seem to be  
able simply to point a QT Player at a PDF file; the file name is  
dimmed in the file dialog.

Dan

On Jul 3, 2005, at 2:40 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote:

> Goal: Show PDF's inside a Revolution QT player object with PDF  
> hyperlinks clickable.
>
> Tests so far, can someone confirm? (even better tell us how to do it)
>
> 1) Create PDF spread of two pages of a magazine, source is IDCS2,  
> target format is Acrobat 7.0
>
> 2) open Rev, create player object, point the player to the PDF  
> file.. it appears... And, what is even better... on zoom in (scale  
> up) the text looks really great!
>
> 3) Go back to IDCS2, hyper link a URL on the page. Output to PDF  
> again.. check the PDF.. The hyperlink is working, it's hot, click  
> and it will open the web site in acrobat, or your browser (your  
> choice)
>
> 4) Go back to Rev. Point the player now to the PDF that has the  
> hypertext link.
>
> :-( player object goes blank...
>
> OK ? is it QT or Revolution? Let's find out....
>
> 5) drop the PDF with hypertext link on QT Player... it opens...  
> hyperlink is not there. But QT will at least show the file as a  
> single movie frame.
>
> 6) back to Revolution, Toggle the filename of the player object  
> between
>     a) the same page/PDF  with no links: it appears in Revolution
>      b) the same page with one hyperlink: player goes blank.
>
> Conclusion: Revolution will not import the PDF with an embedded  
> Hypertext link into a QT player object.
>
> Our expectations for inter-application file format interoperability  
> here are probably just "out of this world." so much so that to call  
> this a bug would be unfair to the Revolution engineers... after all  
> I don't ask Acrobat to make chocolate chip cookies and then find  
> out it doesn't work and call tech support at Adobe.  But the  
> trouble with Revolution is, it tends to give you this sense of "We  
> can do anything we want."
>
> I guess finding a way to map PDF hyperlinks to hot spots with  
> linked URL in the QT player is asking a lot.. but I thought to pose  
> this question to the forum of the more experienced. I have seen a  
> few here some who seem to be deep into the PDF file format...
>
> TIA
>
> Sivakatirswami
>
>
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From revolution at derbrill.de  Mon Jul  4 17:09:25 2005
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 23:09:25 +0200
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 22, Issue 14
In-Reply-To: <20050704170003.88FAE824934@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <E67B7180-ECCF-11D9-8CA4-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>

Hi Alex,

here is the fastest we have been discussing in chatRev until now.
( chatrev.cjb.net )
Thanks to kWeed, Mark and BvG!

Still room for optimization though.

on mouseUp
   put the milliseconds into gorb
   put 0 into counter
   put 0 into newValue
   put 0 into line 768 of newHistogram
   repeat for each char theChar in the imageData of img 1
     add 1 to counter
     if counter mod 4=0 then
       add charToNum(theChar) to newValue
       if line newValue of newhistoGram is not a number then
         put 1 into line (newValue) of newHistoGram
       else
         add 1 to line (newValue) of newHistogram
       end if
       put 0 into newValue
     else
       add charToNum(theChar) to newValue
     end if
   end repeat
   repeat for each line theLine in newhistogram
     if theLine is a number then
       put theLine&cr after theHistogram
     else
       put 0&cr after theHistogram
     end if
   end repeat
   delete char -1 of theHistogram
   put theHistogram into fld "test"
   --split theHistogram by return if you want an array
   answer the milliseconds-gorb
end mouseUp


Cheers,

malte

From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Jul  4 17:09:38 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 22:09:38 +0100
Subject: Parameterising an application
In-Reply-To: <BEEF07B8.24667%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <BEEF07B8.24667%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <42C9A592.7020503@tweedly.net>

Ken Ray wrote:

>On 7/4/05 12:45 PM, "Alex Tweedly" <alex at tweedly.net> wrote:
>
>  
>
>If you'd like to restart the discussion, go ahead... it seems to be very
>popular indeed...
>  
>
No - I'd really like *not* to restart it, or to re-tread old ground 
(esp. for those of you who'd be seeing it again so soon after the last 
time). I was hoping that you (or someone) could not just mention that it 
had been discussed, but maybe give a summary (or some of the highlights) 
so we could understand and appreciate the reason why BZ 2041 was the 
right answer, and which other ones had been considered and rejected 
compared to it.

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From revolution at derbrill.de  Mon Jul  4 17:10:55 2005
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 23:10:55 +0200
Subject: compileIt for revolution?
In-Reply-To: <20050704205552.E49CE82492A@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1C2050FC-ECD0-11D9-8CA4-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>

Ooopsie wrong header , sorry!



Hi Alex,

here is the fastest we have been discussing in chatRev until now.
( chatrev.cjb.net )
Thanks to kWeed, Mark and BvG!

Still room for optimization though.

on mouseUp
   put the milliseconds into gorb
   put 0 into counter
   put 0 into newValue
   put 0 into line 768 of newHistogram
   repeat for each char theChar in the imageData of img 1
     add 1 to counter
     if counter mod 4=0 then
       add charToNum(theChar) to newValue
       if line newValue of newhistoGram is not a number then
         put 1 into line (newValue) of newHistoGram
       else
         add 1 to line (newValue) of newHistogram
       end if
       put 0 into newValue
     else
       add charToNum(theChar) to newValue
     end if
   end repeat
   repeat for each line theLine in newhistogram
     if theLine is a number then
       put theLine&cr after theHistogram
     else
       put 0&cr after theHistogram
     end if
   end repeat
   delete char -1 of theHistogram
   put theHistogram into fld "test"
   --split theHistogram by return if you want an array
   answer the milliseconds-gorb
end mouseUp


Cheers,

malte

From revdan at danshafer.com  Mon Jul  4 17:13:40 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 14:13:40 -0700
Subject: Printing to PDF on OS X
In-Reply-To: <97b586f1b63718f9942e1104886d41bd@maseurope.net>
References: <97b586f1b63718f9942e1104886d41bd@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <54D7E6A4-42FF-4D14-90B9-1203A968AAC8@danshafer.com>

Your stack works fine on OS X 10.4.1 with Rev 2.6.1 here. I get a PDF  
with the card in it.

Dan

On Jul 3, 2005, at 5:32 PM, Mark Smith wrote:

> Can anyone tell me how I can print 1 card to a pdf. The following  
> produced a pdf ok, but it was blank...
>
> on printMe
>   open printing with dialog
>   if the result is "Cancel" then exit printme
>   print cd 1 of this stack
>   close printing
> end print me
>
> if I choose the "Print" option when the dialog appears, the printer  
> prints the card, but if I choose the "save as pdf option" and  
> "Save", the pdf is created, but it does not have any content.
>
> I'm stumped.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark Smith
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jul  4 17:15:49 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 14:15:49 -0700
Subject: Stack Level Local/Globals
In-Reply-To: <0CB0CBCD-3BFD-467D-B566-C94AD1F24B5E@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <D5140051-EEFA-466A-9DEB-A6DCFAB0916F@writeme.com>	<B80FF68F-23AF-4D97-83FE-0D9C9F80D89B@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<0CB0CBCD-3BFD-467D-B566-C94AD1F24B5E@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <42C9A705.2050608@fourthworld.com>

Dave Cragg wrote:
> 
> On 4 Jul 2005, at 20:07, Eric Chatonet wrote:
> 
>> Hi Dennis,
>>
>> I agree since I provide many tools for the community that are made  to 
>> run in the IDE.
> 
> 
> I agree too. :)
> 
>> So I never use globals but I prefer to refer to some custom  
>> properties stored in specific custom property sets in my plugins or  
>> in the revPreferences stack.
>> BTW, I found that referring to custom properties is as fast as  using 
>> global variables and they don't vanish when they are stored  in 
>> revPreferences.
>> That's great :-)
> 
> 
> Eric, my own testing shows that accessing custom properties is  
> significantly slower than accessing globals. (Over 20 times slower in  a 
> simple test.) When I have to refer to custom properties frequently  (for 
> example when going through hundreds of elements of a  
> customPropertySet), I usually copy them to a variable first. But  
> perhaps the access times vary by circumstances.
> 
> This was the most recent test I ran.
> 
> global gTest
> on mouseUp
>   set the cTest of me to 100
>   put 100 into gTest
>   put 100000 into tTimes
>   put the milliseconds into tStart
>   repeat tTimes
>     get gTest
>   end repeat
>   put the milliseconds - tStart into tOut
>   put the milliseconds into tStart
>   repeat tTimes
>     get the cTest of me
>   end repeat
>   put cr & the milliseconds - tStart after tOut
>   put tOut
> end mouseUp

That sounds slow expressed as relative figures, but when we look at the 
speed per access it's not so bad for many uses:

Milliseconds per access for-
    global:   0.00058
    property: 0.00441
    function: 0.00297

I usually use functions instead of constants for constant-like things, 
as they have the same read-only benefit of true constants but have the 
convenience of not requiring declaration.  In this test I had this 
function in the card script:

   function cTest
     return 100
   end cTest

I was surprised the function call was so fast relative to accessing a 
property, but either way isn't so bad for occassional access.  If you're 
doing a lot of processing of the data you could copy it to a local var 
during the heavy lifting.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jul  4 17:19:11 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 14:19:11 -0700
Subject: PDFs in QT Player -- Hot Links Challenge
In-Reply-To: <54045D89-171B-41A1-A3CD-88059E824AC1@danshafer.com>
References: <D211AB38-28A0-459B-97A4-CED2F9EE8851@hindu.org>
	<54045D89-171B-41A1-A3CD-88059E824AC1@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <42C9A7CF.2040400@fourthworld.com>

Dan Shafer wrote:
> On OS X 10.4.1 with Rev 2.6.1, PDFs are not among the file types one  
> can load into a QT Player.
> 
> Unless, of course, I'm missing something. At least I don't seem to be  
> able simply to point a QT Player at a PDF file; the file name is  dimmed 
> in the file dialog.

Good news:  That's just a filtering thang; from your own script you can 
set a player to a PDF and it'll display nicely.

Bad news:  This capability doesn't exist in the Windows version of QT. :(


--
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  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From revdan at danshafer.com  Mon Jul  4 17:18:58 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 14:18:58 -0700
Subject: Embedded objects in fields
In-Reply-To: <B3889E07-B763-4ACE-B314-2953EB6EDBDC@conncoll.edu>
References: <web-333934758@mail.maclaunch.com>
	<B3889E07-B763-4ACE-B314-2953EB6EDBDC@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <2EEFF1F1-D9E8-478A-8B05-90F00CAE35D2@danshafer.com>

Just my two cents -- and it's a holiday here so my brain may be  
otherwise engaged -- I think putting buttons into scrolling fields is  
a terrible UI idea. By definition, it puts certain functionality out  
of the reach of the user until and unless s/he scrolls the field.  
Lotus NOtes allowed this and every time I saw an app designed to take  
advantage of it, users got confused.

I suspect I feel the same way about buttons in scrolling GROUPS.  
Interactive functionality needs to be where users  
can...well...interact with it, no?

Dan (who fears he's probably started another one of those "up your  
opinion" threads that are so much fun)


On Jul 4, 2005, at 8:14 AM, Charles Hartman wrote:

>
> On Jul 1, 2005, at 1:04 PM, Mathewson wrote:
>
>
>> I have just downloaded the SuperCard 4.5 demo and found
>> they have a new feature:
>>
>> allowObjects
>>
>> this lets the user embed object (images and so on) inside
>> FIELDS:
>>
>> WOW - I would love scrolling text fields with pictures!
>>
>
>
> -- and buttons! (At the moment I'm doing this is a non-scrolling  
> field inside a scrolling group, but aside from being tedious that  
> has other disadvantages, such as the scroll-wheel not working right.)
>
> Charles Hartman
>
>
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Mon Jul  4 17:23:45 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 23:23:45 +0200
Subject: Stack Level Local/Globals
In-Reply-To: <0CB0CBCD-3BFD-467D-B566-C94AD1F24B5E@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <D5140051-EEFA-466A-9DEB-A6DCFAB0916F@writeme.com>
	<B80FF68F-23AF-4D97-83FE-0D9C9F80D89B@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<0CB0CBCD-3BFD-467D-B566-C94AD1F24B5E@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <B3432CB0-5F23-43DF-B133-CBB6DB9F4A49@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Dave,

I am sure you are right but I was thinking in a practical way.
Most globals are not hundreds of elements.
Often a Boolean value is enough (at the very worst a dozen of lines).
Then it does not seem *practically* significant if it takes 20/1000  
of 1 millisecond instead of 1/1000 of 1 millisecond :-)

Here is a tiny test I have just made:

on mouseUp
   global gTest
   put true into gTest
   put the milliseconds into tStart
   repeat 1000
     put gTest into temp
   end repeat
   put the milliseconds - tStart
end mouseUp

 > 1 millisecond for 1000 loops

on mouseUp
   put the milliseconds into tStart
   repeat 1000
     put the uTest of me into temp -- contains "true"
   end repeat
   put the milliseconds - tStart
end mouseUp

 > 15 milliseconds for 1000 loops.
Very bad indeed but in fact not at all significant ;-)

Le 4 juil. 05 ? 22:59, Dave Cragg a ?crit :

> Eric, my own testing shows that accessing custom properties is  
> significantly slower than accessing globals. (Over 20 times slower  
> in a simple test.) When I have to refer to custom properties  
> frequently (for example when going through hundreds of elements of  
> a customPropertySet), I usually copy them to a variable first. But  
> perhaps the access times vary by circumstances.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jul  4 17:25:47 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 14:25:47 -0700
Subject: Embedded objects in fields
In-Reply-To: <2EEFF1F1-D9E8-478A-8B05-90F00CAE35D2@danshafer.com>
References: <web-333934758@mail.maclaunch.com>	<B3889E07-B763-4ACE-B314-2953EB6EDBDC@conncoll.edu>
	<2EEFF1F1-D9E8-478A-8B05-90F00CAE35D2@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <42C9A95B.9010808@fourthworld.com>

>> WOW - I would love scrolling text fields with pictures!
>
> -- and buttons! (At the moment I'm doing this is a non-scrolling  
> field inside a scrolling group, but aside from being tedious that  has 
> other disadvantages, such as the scroll-wheel not working right.)

To get scroll wheel support you can put a graphic behind the other 
objects in the group sized to match the group's formattedHeigh and 
formattedWidth, then add this to the group script:


on rawKeyDown k
   get the vScroll of me
   if k = 65308 then -- scroll wheel up
     set the vScroll of me to (it + 70)
   else if k = 65309 then -- scroll wheel down
     set the vScroll of me to (it - 70)
   else  pass rawKeyDown
end rawKeyDown


I used 70 there because it matched the size of the objects being viewed 
in my app; you can use any scroll increment that works for your needs.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Mon Jul  4 17:30:11 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 17:30:11 -0400
Subject: Embedded objects in fields
In-Reply-To: <2EEFF1F1-D9E8-478A-8B05-90F00CAE35D2@danshafer.com>
References: <web-333934758@mail.maclaunch.com>
	<B3889E07-B763-4ACE-B314-2953EB6EDBDC@conncoll.edu>
	<2EEFF1F1-D9E8-478A-8B05-90F00CAE35D2@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <68AC55C4-9597-4F26-ACAC-0CB18E8EBD00@conncoll.edu>

Oh, I think as a generalization that makes excellent sense. In this  
particular case, it may or may not. This is a straight, lame, read- 
this-card tutorial app; some cards are too long not to scroll  
(already less than ideal from a UI standpoint, but I don't want to  
make the stack as big as the biggest card, or keep changing the  
stack's size, and many cards are such clear logical units they can't  
be broken up without creating conceptual confusion). A few cards have  
special go-here-for-more-information buttons, and those buttons are  
logically attached to particular pieces of the text.

Within that framework, I don't see how to do otherwise than the bit  
whose ugliness you're quite right to point out. Of course the whole  
framework may be screwy -- but that's a very large question about the  
design & efficacy of on-screen tutorials.

Charles Hartman


On Jul 4, 2005, at 5:18 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:

> Just my two cents -- and it's a holiday here so my brain may be  
> otherwise engaged -- I think putting buttons into scrolling fields  
> is a terrible UI idea. By definition, it puts certain functionality  
> out of the reach of the user until and unless s/he scrolls the  
> field. Lotus NOtes allowed this and every time I saw an app  
> designed to take advantage of it, users got confused.
>
> I suspect I feel the same way about buttons in scrolling GROUPS.  
> Interactive functionality needs to be where users  
> can...well...interact with it, no?
>
> Dan (who fears he's probably started another one of those "up your  
> opinion" threads that are so much fun)
>
>
> On Jul 4, 2005, at 8:14 AM, Charles Hartman wrote:
>
>
>>
>> On Jul 1, 2005, at 1:04 PM, Mathewson wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I have just downloaded the SuperCard 4.5 demo and found
>>> they have a new feature:
>>>
>>> allowObjects
>>>
>>> this lets the user embed object (images and so on) inside
>>> FIELDS:
>>>
>>> WOW - I would love scrolling text fields with pictures!
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> -- and buttons! (At the moment I'm doing this is a non-scrolling  
>> field inside a scrolling group, but aside from being tedious that  
>> has other disadvantages, such as the scroll-wheel not working right.)
>>
>> Charles Hartman
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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>> subscription preferences:
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>>
>>
>
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Connecticut College
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*the Scandroid* is at cherry.conncoll.edu/cohar/Programs







From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Mon Jul  4 17:31:17 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 17:31:17 -0400
Subject: Embedded objects in fields
In-Reply-To: <42C9A95B.9010808@fourthworld.com>
References: <web-333934758@mail.maclaunch.com>	<B3889E07-B763-4ACE-B314-2953EB6EDBDC@conncoll.edu>
	<2EEFF1F1-D9E8-478A-8B05-90F00CAE35D2@danshafer.com>
	<42C9A95B.9010808@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <48414513-F4E0-4474-8A5A-DD4FC0028FE0@conncoll.edu>

Cool!


On Jul 4, 2005, at 5:25 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

>>> WOW - I would love scrolling text fields with pictures!
>>>
>>
>> -- and buttons! (At the moment I'm doing this is a non-scrolling   
>> field inside a scrolling group, but aside from being tedious that   
>> has other disadvantages, such as the scroll-wheel not working right.)
>>
>
> To get scroll wheel support you can put a graphic behind the other  
> objects in the group sized to match the group's formattedHeigh and  
> formattedWidth, then add this to the group script:
>
>
> on rawKeyDown k
>   get the vScroll of me
>   if k = 65308 then -- scroll wheel up
>     set the vScroll of me to (it + 70)
>   else if k = 65309 then -- scroll wheel down
>     set the vScroll of me to (it - 70)
>   else  pass rawKeyDown
> end rawKeyDown
>
>
> I used 70 there because it matched the size of the objects being  
> viewed in my app; you can use any scroll increment that works for  
> your needs.
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation
>  ___________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
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Charles Hartman
Professor of English, Poet in Residence
Connecticut College
charles.hartman at conncoll.edu
*the Scandroid* is at cherry.conncoll.edu/cohar/Programs







From robert.cailliau at free.fr  Mon Jul  4 17:33:27 2005
From: robert.cailliau at free.fr (Robert Cailliau)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 23:33:27 +0200
Subject: Naming conventions [was: Food Fight]
Message-ID: <p05111b01beef5b722bf2@[192.168.1.8]>

Dennis,

Here is what I have been using since Hypercard in the late 80's, 
augmented now for Revolution:
(and see some further comments at the end)
Robert.


------------------------------------------------------------
Naming conventions

Identifiers start with a capital and each word in the name also has a capital.
There may be a prefix letter, which then is lower case:

c constant
f formal parameter
g global variable
i index (loops, arrays)
l local variable
n number of things
p custom property
h label field (heading)

The use of these prefix letters significantly reduces the number of 
different names to be invented by allowing meaningful variants on a 
base name.
For example, the base name Line could be used in fLines (formal 
parameter), lLines (local work copy), iLine (index into fLines or 
lLines), nLines (the number of lines in fLines) and so on.

Transcript does not allow procedure nesting.  Handlers that should be 
nested get names prefixed with that of the handler they should be in.


You can read more on
http://robert.cailliau.free.fr/ByLetter/C/Computing/ComputerScience/NamingConventions.html
which is longer and more pedantic.

Robert.


From jbondy at sover.net  Mon Jul  4 17:34:01 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 17:34:01 -0400
Subject: compileIt for revolution?
In-Reply-To: <9DED7AE2-ECC6-11D9-8CA4-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>
References: <9DED7AE2-ECC6-11D9-8CA4-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <42C9AB49.6080508@sover.net>

Malte:

The goal was general image manipulation.  That includes
1) generating histogram information
2) calculating transfer functions
3) applying transfer functions
4) computing brightness for a pixel
5) modifying brightness for a pixel
etc

:)

Jon


Malte Brill wrote:

>
>
> I got a question: Is the goal only to add the charToNum values for 
> Red,Green and blue for each pixel? I?m not sure If I understand the 
> original script correctly. If so there is a very speedy alternative. 
> If not could you please explain in a few words of pseudo code what the 
> script needs to do?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Malte
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From katir at hindu.org  Mon Jul  4 17:37:39 2005
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 11:37:39 -1000
Subject: PDFs in QT Player -- Hot Links Challenge
In-Reply-To: <42C9A7CF.2040400@fourthworld.com>
References: <D211AB38-28A0-459B-97A4-CED2F9EE8851@hindu.org>
	<54045D89-171B-41A1-A3CD-88059E824AC1@danshafer.com>
	<42C9A7CF.2040400@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <0BBC581C-EFF4-42E8-B1B2-B819CB3197DB@hindu.org>

Aiyo! (Lamentations)

  Windows won't play PDFs in QT...

  Richard: did that windows machine have QT 7 for Windows loaded?

I'm sure you know this already but Apple just released QT with H.264  
format capabilities for Windows just a few weeks ago... so I just  
wanted to check if this was happening in the latest QT,

Dan: in the top of the open dialog box when clicking the browse  
button in a Rev QT Player, it defaults to "QuickTime Movie",  just  
choose "All Files"  and then the PDF files will be available as a  
file choice (OSX).

But the "not on Windows"  really a show stopper for this project.  We  
will call our friends at Apple tomorrow and beg!

Sivakatirswami





On Jul 04, 2005, at 11:19 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Dan Shafer wrote:
>
>> On OS X 10.4.1 with Rev 2.6.1, PDFs are not among the file types  
>> one  can load into a QT Player.
>> Unless, of course, I'm missing something. At least I don't seem to  
>> be  able simply to point a QT Player at a PDF file; the file name  
>> is  dimmed in the file dialog.
>>
>
> Good news:  That's just a filtering thang; from your own script you  
> can set a player to a PDF and it'll display nicely.
>
> Bad news:  This capability doesn't exist in the Windows version of  
> QT. :(
>



From revdan at danshafer.com  Mon Jul  4 17:37:39 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 14:37:39 -0700
Subject: PDFs in QT Player -- Hot Links Challenge
In-Reply-To: <42C9A7CF.2040400@fourthworld.com>
References: <D211AB38-28A0-459B-97A4-CED2F9EE8851@hindu.org>
	<54045D89-171B-41A1-A3CD-88059E824AC1@danshafer.com>
	<42C9A7CF.2040400@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C511BBAF-3D5C-47B1-B88F-9F2BED90092C@danshafer.com>


On Jul 4, 2005, at 2:19 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Dan Shafer wrote:
>
>> On OS X 10.4.1 with Rev 2.6.1, PDFs are not among the file types  
>> one  can load into a QT Player.
>> Unless, of course, I'm missing something. At least I don't seem to  
>> be  able simply to point a QT Player at a PDF file; the file name  
>> is  dimmed in the file dialog.
>>
>
> Good news:  That's just a filtering thang; from your own script you  
> can set a player to a PDF and it'll display nicely.
>
But not in the property settings for the player object? So I need to  
script the player to respond to an event to open a file at runtime.  
Seems kinda clunky. But I'll give it a go.

> Bad news:  This capability doesn't exist in the Windows version of  
> QT. :(
>
No comment from the guy who is currently wearing a T-shirt that says,  
"Friends Don't Let Friends Use Windows."

:-)

Dan

>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal
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From revdan at danshafer.com  Mon Jul  4 17:40:17 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 14:40:17 -0700
Subject: Embedded objects in fields
In-Reply-To: <68AC55C4-9597-4F26-ACAC-0CB18E8EBD00@conncoll.edu>
References: <web-333934758@mail.maclaunch.com>
	<B3889E07-B763-4ACE-B314-2953EB6EDBDC@conncoll.edu>
	<2EEFF1F1-D9E8-478A-8B05-90F00CAE35D2@danshafer.com>
	<68AC55C4-9597-4F26-ACAC-0CB18E8EBD00@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <01462351-F9F1-4BF0-A03D-449CAAFD00B0@danshafer.com>

I'd be inclined to have the More Info button outside the field and  
have it activate only when appropriate (e.g., when the user has  
scrolled all the way through the field or reached a certain point or  
whatever).

But that's just me.

Dan

On Jul 4, 2005, at 2:30 PM, Charles Hartman wrote:

> Oh, I think as a generalization that makes excellent sense. In this  
> particular case, it may or may not. This is a straight, lame, read- 
> this-card tutorial app; some cards are too long not to scroll  
> (already less than ideal from a UI standpoint, but I don't want to  
> make the stack as big as the biggest card, or keep changing the  
> stack's size, and many cards are such clear logical units they  
> can't be broken up without creating conceptual confusion). A few  
> cards have special go-here-for-more-information buttons, and those  
> buttons are logically attached to particular pieces of the text.
>
> Within that framework, I don't see how to do otherwise than the bit  
> whose ugliness you're quite right to point out. Of course the whole  
> framework may be screwy -- but that's a very large question about  
> the design & efficacy of on-screen tutorials.
>
> Charles Hartman
>
>
> On Jul 4, 2005, at 5:18 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:
>
>
>> Just my two cents -- and it's a holiday here so my brain may be  
>> otherwise engaged -- I think putting buttons into scrolling fields  
>> is a terrible UI idea. By definition, it puts certain  
>> functionality out of the reach of the user until and unless s/he  
>> scrolls the field. Lotus NOtes allowed this and every time I saw  
>> an app designed to take advantage of it, users got confused.
>>
>> I suspect I feel the same way about buttons in scrolling GROUPS.  
>> Interactive functionality needs to be where users  
>> can...well...interact with it, no?
>>
>> Dan (who fears he's probably started another one of those "up your  
>> opinion" threads that are so much fun)
>>
>>
>> On Jul 4, 2005, at 8:14 AM, Charles Hartman wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 1, 2005, at 1:04 PM, Mathewson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I have just downloaded the SuperCard 4.5 demo and found
>>>> they have a new feature:
>>>>
>>>> allowObjects
>>>>
>>>> this lets the user embed object (images and so on) inside
>>>> FIELDS:
>>>>
>>>> WOW - I would love scrolling text fields with pictures!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- and buttons! (At the moment I'm doing this is a non-scrolling  
>>> field inside a scrolling group, but aside from being tedious that  
>>> has other disadvantages, such as the scroll-wheel not working  
>>> right.)
>>>
>>> Charles Hartman
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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>
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> Connecticut College
> charles.hartman at conncoll.edu
> *the Scandroid* is at cherry.conncoll.edu/cohar/Programs
>
>
>
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From see3d at writeme.com  Mon Jul  4 17:42:07 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 17:42:07 -0400
Subject: Stack Level Local/Globals
In-Reply-To: <B80FF68F-23AF-4D97-83FE-0D9C9F80D89B@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <D5140051-EEFA-466A-9DEB-A6DCFAB0916F@writeme.com>
	<B80FF68F-23AF-4D97-83FE-0D9C9F80D89B@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <2D630432-DB68-4E8C-9607-4162CE06E60D@writeme.com>


On Jul 4, 2005, at 3:07 PM, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi Dennis,
>
> I agree since I provide many tools for the community that are made  
> to run in the IDE.
> So I never use globals but I prefer to refer to some custom  
> properties stored in specific custom property sets in my plugins or  
> in the revPreferences stack.
> BTW, I found that referring to custom properties is as fast as  
> using global variables and they don't vanish when they are stored  
> in revPreferences.
> That's great :-)

Eric,

This sounded like good news, so I ran a test to see how fast a global  
vs custom property set would run.  I used the following script (the  
first time through is many times slower as the array elements need to  
be created, so the timings are separate for the first or the average  
of the next times):

------------------
[snip]
     REPEAT 1000 times --change to 100 for second example, and 10 for  
third example
         put "A nice line to repeat"&cr after stuff
     END repeat

     put the long seconds into strt
     REPEAT with y=1 to 100 --Y values, change to 1000 for second  
example
         REPEAT with x=1 to 100 --X values, change to 1000 for third  
example
--
             put stuff into stuffArrayG[x,y]  --use this line for  
global time test
--
             set the stuffArrayP[x&&y] of this stack to stuff --use  
this line for custom property time test
--
         END repeat
     END repeat
     put the long seconds - strt

------------------
The timings for the first test of 10,000 elements:

10,000 Custom Property Set Array:  First: 5 sec, Next: 0.5 sec
10,000 Global Array:  First: 15 sec, Next: 0.3 sec

So this is very surprising.  Global arrays require three times as  
much time to create an element as a Custom Property Set array.   
However, the global arrays are almost twice as fast for repeated  
stores to an element that already exists.
------------------
However, when I change the REPEAT 1000 times to REPEAT 100 times and  
change with y=1 to 100 to with y=1 to 1000, I get the following times  
for 100,000 elements but same amount of data:

100,000 Custom Property Set Array:  First: 3.5 sec, Next: 2.3 sec
100,000 Global Array:  First: 1.2 sec, Next: 1.0 sec

Now it appears that the globals are about 2.5 as fast as the custom  
properties.
------------------
Now, when I change the REPEAT 1000 times to REPEAT 100 times and  
change with y=1 to 100 to with y=1 to 1000, I get the following times  
for 1,000,000 elements but still the same amount of data:

1,000,000 Custom Property Set Array:  First: 25 sec, Next: 25 sec
1,000,000 Global Array:  First: 11 sec, Next: 10.5 sec

Now it appears that the globals stay about 2.5 times as fast as the  
custom properties.

Changing the script to time the read operation gives:
1,000,000 Custom Property Set Array:  27 sec
1,000,000 Global Array:  8.7 sec
------------------
The conclusions are a bit hard to understand for this example, but it  
appears that custom properties sets used instead of global arrays are  
about 2.5 times as slow for writing and 3 times as slow for reading,  
except for the case where a very large data string is stored, then it  
seems to take much longer for the globals to create a very large data  
space for each element.  I can only conclude that the method used for  
creating new data space for globals involves a lot of shuffling of  
memory structures, while the method used for custom properties is  
simpler.  However, it is only a guess at this point.

In any case using custom properties for the compute intensive arrays  
would significantly slow my program.  However, they would be a viable  
alternative to globals for many cases.


> But...
> The main aim with Rev is to build standalones where this problem  
> does not exist since all yours globals are of course stack global  
> variables ;-)

I would agree, except that with the DreamCard product, It is now  
practical for a user to run everything in the IDE --which is what I  
do.  The only reason that I would want want to make a stand alone  
(which can not be done with DreamCard anyway) is so that I could run  
more than one application at the same time in different OS "threads".

Dennis


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jul  4 18:08:50 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 15:08:50 -0700
Subject: PDFs in QT Player -- Hot Links Challenge
In-Reply-To: <C511BBAF-3D5C-47B1-B88F-9F2BED90092C@danshafer.com>
References: <D211AB38-28A0-459B-97A4-CED2F9EE8851@hindu.org>	<54045D89-171B-41A1-A3CD-88059E824AC1@danshafer.com>	<42C9A7CF.2040400@fourthworld.com>
	<C511BBAF-3D5C-47B1-B88F-9F2BED90092C@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <42C9B372.7040509@fourthworld.com>

Dan Shafer wrote:
>> Good news:  That's just a filtering thang; from your own script you  
>> can set a player to a PDF and it'll display nicely.
>>
> But not in the property settings for the player object? So I need to  
> script the player to respond to an event to open a file at runtime.  
> Seems kinda clunky. But I'll give it a go.

For any real work with players or referenced image you need to write 
your own scripts to handle them anyway.  The IDE uses a full path to the 
media, which works so long as you never move either the stack or the 
media it references.

Relative paths kinda work if you hand-edit them in the Inspector, but 
they're currently implemented to be relative to the current directory, 
which is volatile.  So as long as one successfully prays that no script 
will ever touch the current directory, and that the relative path to 
your stack will be the same as to your standalone (that rules out OS X 
unless you move you media inside the bundle), relative paths kinda work.
The rest of the time we need clever scripts.

HTML has done a good job of familiarizing a significant portion of 
humanity with true relative paths, paths which are relative to the file 
referencing them.  The stackfiles property works like that, and there is 
a request to consider changing how relative paths work with media to be 
consistent with this widely-used paradigm:

<http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2490>

In the meantime, we write clever scripts to get past the clunky funky 
media paths issue. :)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Jul  4 18:24:46 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 23:24:46 +0100
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 22, Issue 14
In-Reply-To: <E67B7180-ECCF-11D9-8CA4-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>
References: <E67B7180-ECCF-11D9-8CA4-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <42C9B72E.7010007@tweedly.net>

Malte Brill wrote:

> Hi Alex,
>
> here is the fastest we have been discussing in chatRev until now.
> ( chatrev.cjb.net )
> Thanks to kWeed, Mark and BvG!
>
> Still room for optimization though.
>
Thanks Malte (and others on chatrev).

Interesting approach to use lines instead of arrays - but I think that 
even with 768 lines, the searching for the lines adds up to more than an 
array lookup.  This version took 4 seconds on my sample photo.

I thought there was space for improvement in the bit that said :

>       if line newValue of newhistoGram is not a number then
>         put 1 into line (newValue) of newHistoGram
>       else
>         add 1 to line (newValue) of newHistogram
>       end if

You could save a condition test each time by initializing the whole list 
to 0
  repeat 768 time
     put "0" & cr after newHistogram
  end repeat

and then you could simply
   add 1 to line (newValue) of newHistogram
without the if test.

That brings it down from 4 seconds to 3.2  .....


But n fact, that's not as fast the version I posted last Thursday (see 
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user/61547 for all 
those details).

Here's the current table of comparative results ....

Initial total     17 seconds    (including unnecessary copy into arrays)
Initial proper 17 seconds
chatrev           4 seconds
chatrev +       3.2 seconds
simple loop     2 seconds
really ugly        1.2 seconds

where the last two are from Thursday's email.
simple loop was simply

>>  repeat for each char c in lImageData
>>     add chartonum(c) to temp
>>     add 1 to count
>>     if count = 4 then
>>         add 1 to histo[temp]
>>     end if
>>     put 0 into temp
>>     put 0 into count
>>   end repeat 

The really ugly version did the same as this but instead of incrementing 
the histo array element every time, it incremented a char in a list  
(because we know that lookup of "char N of var" is much faster than 
either array lookup or "line N of var"), and when that reached 255, it 
got reset to 0 and the histo element updated accordingly). Really ugly - 
but 40% faster.

>   repeat for each char c in lImageData
>     add chartonum(c) to temp
>     add 1 to count
>     if count = 4 then
>       add 1 to temp   -- because 1:256, not 0:255
>       put numtochar(chartonum(char temp of mytemp) + 1) into char temp 
> of mytemp
>       if chartonum(char temp of mytemp) = 255 then
>         add 255 to histo[temp-1]
>         put czero into char temp of mytemp
>       end if
>       --      add 1 to histo[temp]
>       put 0 into temp
>       put 0 into count
>     end if
>   end repeat

>   repeat with i = 1 to maxHist
>     add chartonum(char i of mytemp) to histo[i-1]
>   end repeat



-- 
Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net



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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jul  4 18:30:24 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 15:30:24 -0700
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 22, Issue 14
In-Reply-To: <42C9B72E.7010007@tweedly.net>
References: <E67B7180-ECCF-11D9-8CA4-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>
	<42C9B72E.7010007@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <42C9B880.40701@fourthworld.com>


Since each pass through the loop involves checking for the same number 
of steps (4), could a stop option in the repeat statement be helpful?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jul  4 18:57:31 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 17:57:31 -0500
Subject: Kevin Miller's scripting conference chat log
In-Reply-To: <p06110402beef248736ff@[192.168.0.2]>
References: <42B88195.3060608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<p06110402beef248736ff@[192.168.0.2]>
Message-ID: <42C9BEDB.1010905@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/4/05 12:39 PM, Rodney Somerstein wrote:

 >> During our last scripting conference, Kevin Miller gave a presentation
 >> on Revolution 2.6 and answered questions from the participants about
 >> Revolution and future plans. I have posted the transcript of that
 >> portion of the conference, and you can download it here:
 >>
 >> <http://support.runrev.com/scriptingconferences/stacks/kmillerchat.rtf>
 >>
 >> You will need a program that can open .rtf files to read it.
 >>
 >> The remainder of the conference was Richard Gaskin's presentation on
 >> the message hierarchy. The transcript of that portion is contained in
 >> the downloadable scripting conference stack as usual.
 >>
 >
 > I have tried to download this several times and get a file not found
 > error. Can you please correct the above link or re-upload the file so
 > that it is downloadable?

Sorry, apparently in the server update the file got lost. I've 
reuploaded, so try the link again.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jul  4 19:01:43 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 18:01:43 -0500
Subject: Scripting conference Groups stack uploaded
Message-ID: <42C9BFD7.8060006@hyperactivesw.com>

The scripting conference stack for this weekend has been uploaded for 
you to study in advance. This week's conference is on Groups and 
Backgrounds, presented by veteran educator Judy Perry. To download the 
stack and to get information about the date and time, go to the usual 
web page:

<http://support.runrev.com/scriptingconferences/>

See you there!

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Jul  4 19:03:28 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 00:03:28 +0100
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 22, Issue 14
In-Reply-To: <42C9B880.40701@fourthworld.com>
References: <E67B7180-ECCF-11D9-8CA4-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>	<42C9B72E.7010007@tweedly.net>
	<42C9B880.40701@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <42C9C040.4090606@tweedly.net>

Richard Gaskin wrote:

>
> Since each pass through the loop involves checking for the same number 
> of steps (4), could a stop option in the repeat statement be helpful?
>
step option ?  That might help a bit -

I'm not quite sure how you'd add a "step" option to the "repeat for each 
char" form (nb we need to access almost every character,  not just every 
fourth one).  I guess you could invent some syntax like

repeat for each 4 chars (c1,c2,c3,c4) in the imageData of img "image"
   add 1 to histo[chartonum(c2) + chartonum(c3) + chartonum(c4)]
end repeat

at a (very) rough count, that could maybe save 50% !!

N loop repeats / tests
4N char assignments
3N retrieves
2N additions
N array lookups
N additions

versus

>  repeat for each char c in lImageData
>     add chartonum(c) to temp
>     add 1 to count
>     if count = 4 then
>         add 1 to histo[temp]
>     end if
>     put 0 into temp
>     put 0 into count
>   end repeat

4N loop repeats / test
4N char assignments
4N additions
4N tests
N array lookups
N additions
4N assignments
4N assignments


So I think the addition of a "step" option to the "repeat for each" form 
of loop would be worthwhile - and I hope someone can come up with a 
better syntax than I used above !!

-- 
Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net



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From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Mon Jul  4 19:20:33 2005
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 00:20:33 +0100
Subject: Stack Level Local/Globals
In-Reply-To: <B3432CB0-5F23-43DF-B133-CBB6DB9F4A49@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <D5140051-EEFA-466A-9DEB-A6DCFAB0916F@writeme.com>
	<B80FF68F-23AF-4D97-83FE-0D9C9F80D89B@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<0CB0CBCD-3BFD-467D-B566-C94AD1F24B5E@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<B3432CB0-5F23-43DF-B133-CBB6DB9F4A49@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <CB20B758-AC61-42BD-889E-E6706AC02144@lacscentre.co.uk>

Hi Eric

You're right of course (and Richard too). But it's useful to know for  
those times when you do need to access custom properties frequently.

As you pointed out, one of the advanatges of custom properties is  
their persistence when a stack is saved. And one of the advantages of  
globals is their lack of persistence.  I usually need both types of  
properties in any app. So I like Dennis' suggestion for "stack  
globals", which would add more useability and reliability than  
standard globals. (But I think we are in agreement on this.)


Cheers
Dave


On 4 Jul 2005, at 22:23, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
> I am sure you are right but I was thinking in a practical way.
> Most globals are not hundreds of elements.
> Often a Boolean value is enough (at the very worst a dozen of lines).
> Then it does not seem *practically* significant if it takes 20/1000  
> of 1 millisecond instead of 1/1000 of 1 millisecond :-)



From alex at harryscollar.com  Mon Jul  4 19:35:11 2005
From: alex at harryscollar.com (Alex Shaw)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 09:35:11 +1000
Subject: quick dirty ftp transfer?
In-Reply-To: <20050704143316.191458248F9@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050704143316.191458248F9@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <42C9C7AF.8000708@harryscollar.com>

hi dave

the stacks reside on different networked machines, and i need to simply 
transfer large files from client stacks to a simple backup server stack 
so i was just hoping to wrap a simple transfer mechanism around the 
libURL commands without having to setup a specific ftp server

regards
alex

> On 4 Jul 2005, at 09:29, Alex Shaw wrote:
> 
> 
>>hi
>>
>>I haven't had much time to disect libURL but does anyone know if it  
>>is easy/possible/done to rig up a quick ftp-like transfer between 2  
>>(or more) stacks using a combo of the libURLftpUploadFile and  
>>libURLDownloadToFile commands?
>  
> Alex, can you give us a bit more information about what you're trying  
> to do? Are the stacks in question on separate machines? How are the  
> machines networked, LAN or only by internet?
> 
> You could use the libUrl ftp commands, but you'd need to go through  
> an ftp server. I'm not sure, but I gather from your mail that you  
> don't want to do that.
> 
> Cheers
> Dave
> 


From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Mon Jul  4 20:09:20 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 10:09:20 +1000
Subject: Scripting conference Groups stack uploaded
In-Reply-To: <42C9BFD7.8060006@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <42C9BFD7.8060006@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <FF652025-DF97-4A55-9C94-0B3EF36C0575@genesearch.com.au>

Hi Jacque,

> The scripting conference stack for this weekend has been uploaded  
> for you to study in advance. This week's conference is on Groups  
> and Backgrounds, presented by veteran educator Judy Perry. To  
> download the stack and to get information about the date and time,  
> go to the usual web page:

Now you're not even trying to get the date & time right :-)

Why not post it in seconds? On your system, convert your local date &  
time for the conference into seconds and post that to the list.

Then when we all receive the email, we just have to convert it back  
to date and time and it will appear in our own local times, taking  
advantage of the feature of "the seconds" that drives me crazy :-)

Cheers,
Sarah



From kee at kagi.com  Mon Jul  4 21:12:26 2005
From: kee at kagi.com (kee nethery)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 18:12:26 -0700
Subject: path to the stack?
In-Reply-To: <42C98E5E.9090201@sover.net>
References: <1120391635.42c7d1d3cf138@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
	<42C98E5E.9090201@sover.net>
Message-ID: <70185210-05F1-4E67-953F-97FF1DF853B1@kagi.com>

I'm trying to create a text file that will be the prefs file for a  
standalone. I'm running this script on a development stack under rev  
2.6 on Mac OS X 10.4.x and getting nothing back:

put the filename of this stack into thePath

thePath stays empty after that runs.

My plan was to take this absolute path, replace the name of the stack  
with the name of my prefs file, and then store the prefs file in the  
same directory as the stack so that under all platforms it would be  
stored in a known location. This script above is almost exactly taken  
word for word from the example in the documentation shown below.

put the filename of stack "My Main" into thePath

1. Why isn't this working?
2. Does anyone have a sample script for putting a prefs file in a  
known location that does work that I could use?
3. Will I need to watch out for a path that is inside the package  
contents for the standalone (if I get that far in my coding)?

Thanks in advance
Kee Nethery




From mark at maseurope.net  Mon Jul  4 21:23:46 2005
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 02:23:46 +0100
Subject: path to the stack?
In-Reply-To: <70185210-05F1-4E67-953F-97FF1DF853B1@kagi.com>
References: <1120391635.42c7d1d3cf138@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
	<42C98E5E.9090201@sover.net>
	<70185210-05F1-4E67-953F-97FF1DF853B1@kagi.com>
Message-ID: <b1a1e41795727f469dabf4c527887093@maseurope.net>

Is this a case for specialFolderPath("preferences") ?

Mark

On 5 Jul 2005, at 02:12, kee nethery wrote:

> I'm trying to create a text file that will be the prefs file for a 
> standalone. I'm running this script on a development stack under rev 
> 2.6 on Mac OS X 10.4.x and getting nothing back:
>
> put the filename of this stack into thePath
>
> thePath stays empty after that runs.
>
> My plan was to take this absolute path, replace the name of the stack 
> with the name of my prefs file, and then store the prefs file in the 
> same directory as the stack so that under all platforms it would be 
> stored in a known location. This script above is almost exactly taken 
> word for word from the example in the documentation shown below.
>
> put the filename of stack "My Main" into thePath
>
> 1. Why isn't this working?
> 2. Does anyone have a sample script for putting a prefs file in a 
> known location that does work that I could use?
> 3. Will I need to watch out for a path that is inside the package 
> contents for the standalone (if I get that far in my coding)?
>
> Thanks in advance
> Kee Nethery
>
>
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From revdan at danshafer.com  Mon Jul  4 21:26:01 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 18:26:01 -0700
Subject: path to the stack?
In-Reply-To: <70185210-05F1-4E67-953F-97FF1DF853B1@kagi.com>
References: <1120391635.42c7d1d3cf138@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
	<42C98E5E.9090201@sover.net>
	<70185210-05F1-4E67-953F-97FF1DF853B1@kagi.com>
Message-ID: <C3F99491-7428-4917-A75B-A02715D43A58@danshafer.com>

Kee....

No clue what might be going on here. IWOMM (It Works On My Machine).  
I can't get that property to return empty no matter what I do EXCEPT  
if I run it before I've saved the stack. Then, of course, it has no  
filename property (or, more accurately, that property is empty).

And, yes, you do need to be aware of pathing issues when you create  
an OS X bundle standalone. Check the docs for filename of stack  
property; there's a cross-platform note there that outlines the issue.

Dan

On Jul 4, 2005, at 6:12 PM, kee nethery wrote:

> I'm trying to create a text file that will be the prefs file for a  
> standalone. I'm running this script on a development stack under  
> rev 2.6 on Mac OS X 10.4.x and getting nothing back:
>
> put the filename of this stack into thePath
>
> thePath stays empty after that runs.
>
> My plan was to take this absolute path, replace the name of the  
> stack with the name of my prefs file, and then store the prefs file  
> in the same directory as the stack so that under all platforms it  
> would be stored in a known location. This script above is almost  
> exactly taken word for word from the example in the documentation  
> shown below.
>
> put the filename of stack "My Main" into thePath
>
> 1. Why isn't this working?
> 2. Does anyone have a sample script for putting a prefs file in a  
> known location that does work that I could use?
> 3. Will I need to watch out for a path that is inside the package  
> contents for the standalone (if I get that far in my coding)?
>
> Thanks in advance
> Kee Nethery
>
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jul  4 21:26:33 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 20:26:33 -0500
Subject: Scripting conference Groups stack uploaded
In-Reply-To: <FF652025-DF97-4A55-9C94-0B3EF36C0575@genesearch.com.au>
References: <42C9BFD7.8060006@hyperactivesw.com>
	<FF652025-DF97-4A55-9C94-0B3EF36C0575@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <42C9E1C9.7050205@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/4/05 7:09 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

 > Hi Jacque,
 >
 >> The scripting conference stack for this weekend has been uploaded  for
 >> you to study in advance. This week's conference is on Groups  and
 >> Backgrounds, presented by veteran educator Judy Perry. To  download
 >> the stack and to get information about the date and time,  go to the
 >> usual web page:
 >
 >
 > Now you're not even trying to get the date & time right :-)

LOL! Hey, once burned, twice shy. And thrice burned...what? Emergency room?

 >
 > Why not post it in seconds? On your system, convert your local date &
 > time for the conference into seconds and post that to the list.
 >
 > Then when we all receive the email, we just have to convert it back  to
 > date and time and it will appear in our own local times, taking
 > advantage of the feature of "the seconds" that drives me crazy :-)

What a great idea. It is no surprise it comes from the lady who will be 
doing the conference on dates and times. Okay, the next scripting 
conference will be at 1120924800 seconds.

I am curious to know if this works for all time zones everywhere. For 
those who want to try it, run this in the message box:

   get "1120924800";convert it to short date and time;put it

To be safe, double-check the web page anyway. :)


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From yoursignup at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  4 21:34:59 2005
From: yoursignup at yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 15:34:59 -1000
Subject: path to the stack?
In-Reply-To: <70185210-05F1-4E67-953F-97FF1DF853B1@kagi.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLMEFNHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>

kee,

Try using effective as in :

put the effective filename of this stack into thePath

or, if you just want the path:

set the itemDelimiter to "/"
get item 1 to -2 of the effective filename of this stack
put it into thePath

if you want a terminating slash change last line to:

put it & "/" into the thePath

-Jim


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[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of kee nethery
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 3:12 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: path to the stack?


I'm trying to create a text file that will be the prefs file for a
standalone. I'm running this script on a development stack under rev
2.6 on Mac OS X 10.4.x and getting nothing back:

put the filename of this stack into thePath

thePath stays empty after that runs.

My plan was to take this absolute path, replace the name of the stack
with the name of my prefs file, and then store the prefs file in the
same directory as the stack so that under all platforms it would be
stored in a known location. This script above is almost exactly taken
word for word from the example in the documentation shown below.

put the filename of stack "My Main" into thePath

1. Why isn't this working?
2. Does anyone have a sample script for putting a prefs file in a
known location that does work that I could use?
3. Will I need to watch out for a path that is inside the package
contents for the standalone (if I get that far in my coding)?

Thanks in advance
Kee Nethery


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From rstace at uow.edu.au  Mon Jul  4 21:45:22 2005
From: rstace at uow.edu.au (Ray Stace)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 11:45:22 +1000
Subject: Scripting conference Groups stack uploaded
In-Reply-To: <42C9E1C9.7050205@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <BEF02352.18070%rstace@uow.edu.au>

Returns 7/10/05 2:00 AM in the time zone for Sydney Australia.
Might not get many 'live' participants at that time ;?)

On 5/7/05 11:26 AM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:


> 
> What a great idea. It is no surprise it comes from the lady who will be
> doing the conference on dates and times. Okay, the next scripting
> conference will be at 1120924800 seconds.
> 
> I am curious to know if this works for all time zones everywhere. For
> those who want to try it, run this in the message box:
> 
>  get "1120924800";convert it to short date and time;put it
> 
> To be safe, double-check the web page anyway. :)
> 



From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Mon Jul  4 21:51:27 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 11:51:27 +1000
Subject: path to the stack?
In-Reply-To: <70185210-05F1-4E67-953F-97FF1DF853B1@kagi.com>
References: <1120391635.42c7d1d3cf138@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
	<42C98E5E.9090201@sover.net>
	<70185210-05F1-4E67-953F-97FF1DF853B1@kagi.com>
Message-ID: <A41FEBA0-1F7E-44F0-8B0C-C4D18A0A54C7@genesearch.com.au>

> I'm trying to create a text file that will be the prefs file for a  
> standalone. I'm running this script on a development stack under  
> rev 2.6 on Mac OS X 10.4.x and getting nothing back:
>
> put the filename of this stack into thePath
>
> thePath stays empty after that runs.

Is "this stack" the mainStack or a sub-stack? A sub-stack does not  
have a file path.
This line will always work:
   get the filename of stack (the mainStack of this stack)
>
> My plan was to take this absolute path, replace the name of the  
> stack with the name of my prefs file, and then store the prefs file  
> in the same directory as the stack so that under all platforms it  
> would be stored in a known location. This script above is almost  
> exactly taken word for word from the example in the documentation  
> shown below.
>
> put the filename of stack "My Main" into thePath
>
> 1. Why isn't this working?
> 2. Does anyone have a sample script for putting a prefs file in a  
> known location that does work that I could use?
> 3. Will I need to watch out for a path that is inside the package  
> contents for the standalone (if I get that far in my coding)?

Have a look at my recent article in revJournal about saving data:
<http://www.revjournal.com/tutorials/saving_data_in_revolution.html>

I recommend using the specialFolderPath("Preferences") to store your  
prefs file, but if you use the fileName method above to locate your  
stack file, in an OS X bundle, you will get the path to the Contents/ 
MacOS folder inside the bundle. This can be a problem if the user  
doesn't have admin privileges and can't write to the Applications  
folder.

HTH,
Sarah



From transcom at comcast.net  Mon Jul  4 15:38:24 2005
From: transcom at comcast.net (Michael Mandaville)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 12:38:24 -0700
Subject: ("sqlite", filepath...)
Message-ID: <BEEEDE40.16E5%transcom@comcast.net>

How can I program a new database, made with altSQLite, to put the database
in the same folder i.e., the filepath, where the user created a new stack
from the application?

Is there a certain piece of code which picks up the name of their file
(chosen by the user) and then automatically put into the 'filepath' ?

Thank you




From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Mon Jul  4 22:05:47 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 12:05:47 +1000
Subject: Parameter checking
Message-ID: <8E45905F-86BE-45C6-BE6C-DEE1551D01E4@genesearch.com.au>

Hi All,

I have a stack that contains a set of commands for talking to a  
serial device. The commands & functions all get a set of parameters,  
each with only one character. The characters vary: some parameters  
are numeric, some alphabetic. The ranges vary, so one parameter could  
be any letter from A to N while another can be either J, T or E.  
Numeric parameters have allowed ranges also. As you can imagine,  
sending the wrong info to the serial box causes big problems.

What I am thinking of doing is writing a general parameter checker,  
so I can send it each parameter, plus some string defining what is  
allowed. If it returned an error, then I would refuse to send the  
command to the serial box.

Firstly, has anyone done anything like this? If so, would they be  
prepared to share the code or some of their ideas.

Secondly, has anyone any suggestions of the best way to do this? I  
can do it in a long-winded manner, but I feel sure that some RegEx  
wizard (Ken, are you listening), would be able to come up with a  
really neat way to solve this.

Here is pseudo-code is what I want to do:

on sendSerialCommand p1, p2, p3
   -- p1 must be A-P or a-p
   if paramError(p1,"A-P|a-p") then exit to top
   -- p1 must be a number from 1 to 8
   if paramError(p2,"1-8") then exit to top
   -- p1 must be either S or D
   if paramError(p3,"S|D") then exit to top

   sendSerialString p1 & p2 & p3
end sendSerialCommand

TIA,
Sarah



From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Mon Jul  4 22:16:14 2005
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 21:16:14 -0500
Subject: quick dirty ftp transfer?
In-Reply-To: <42C9C7AF.8000708@harryscollar.com>
References: <20050704143316.191458248F9@mail.runrev.com>
	<42C9C7AF.8000708@harryscollar.com>
Message-ID: <42C9ED6E.3070709@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Alex Shaw wrote:
> the stacks reside on different networked machines, and i need to simply 
> transfer large files from client stacks to a simple backup server stack 
> so i was just hoping to wrap a simple transfer mechanism around the 
> libURL commands without having to setup a specific ftp server

Well, if the networks are connected then you can just copy the file to 
the different machine.  This eliminates the need for a client/server 
app.  If they are on 2 different networks that are not connected, then I 
would recommend you go the sockets route.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
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Compress Photos for the Web with JPEGCompress
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Jul  4 22:21:29 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 21:21:29 -0500
Subject: Parameter checking
In-Reply-To: <8E45905F-86BE-45C6-BE6C-DEE1551D01E4@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <BEEF58D9.2471F%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 7/4/05 9:05 PM, "Sarah Reichelt" <sarahr at genesearch.com.au> wrote:

> Secondly, has anyone any suggestions of the best way to do this? I
> can do it in a long-winded manner, but I feel sure that some RegEx
> wizard (Ken, are you listening), would be able to come up with a
> really neat way to solve this.

Yes, Sarah, I'm listening... :-)

> Here is pseudo-code is what I want to do:
> 
> on sendSerialCommand p1, p2, p3
>    -- p1 must be A-P or a-p
>    if paramError(p1,"A-P|a-p") then exit to top
>    -- p1 must be a number from 1 to 8
>    if paramError(p2,"1-8") then exit to top
>    -- p1 must be either S or D
>    if paramError(p3,"S|D") then exit to top
> 
>    sendSerialString p1 & p2 & p3
> end sendSerialCommand

You can use RegEx to see if an incoming param matches a set of strings or
numbers. The basic rules are:

1) Put what you're looking for in brackets
2) If you actually have a range to check, you can use the hyphen between
(even for letters).

So, for example, if you are checking to see if p1 is between A and P (case
insensitive), you can do this:

  if not matchText(p1,"(?i)[A-P]") then exit to top

OR this:

  if not matchText(p1,"[A-Pa-p]") then exit to top

the (?i) means to be case insensitive. Here's a few more from your example:

  if not matchText(p2,"[1-8]") then exit to top
  if not matchText(p3,"[SD]") then exit to top  -- note s,d won't match
  if not matchText(p3,"(?i)[SD]") then exit to top  -- matches SDsd
  if not matchText(p3,"[SDsd]") then exit to top  -- matches SDsd

HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From see3d at writeme.com  Mon Jul  4 22:33:15 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 22:33:15 -0400
Subject: Making Revolution faster using dimensioned arrays
In-Reply-To: <b01496000df3c11464785da1b5f56204@writeme.com>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445AC@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
	<b01496000df3c11464785da1b5f56204@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <E4963214-5D66-49D9-A89C-CCAE29C78E2C@writeme.com>

To all the speed freaks,

I know that I have pushed for faster array processing and have even  
proposed an "Array sub-processor" as a possible solution.  However,  
after giving this much thought, I don't believe that a separate array  
sub-processor is needed to solve the problem of speed.  Transcript  
could provide the speed needed for processing arrays in a simpler way.

If Transcript had an array declaration command that allowed the user  
to fix the dimensions and data size/type for an array and limited the  
"keys" to integer indexes, then high speed array processing could be  
built-in.

Normally it would be a pain to have to dim all arrays.  Arrays in  
Transcript are sparsely populated and very general now --and could be  
further extended to make them even better for many general purpose  
solutions.  However, there is a class of problems that need speed and  
generally lend themselves to fixing the type and size.  These  
problems are quite common, but rarely seen implemented in Transcript  
because of the slow array processing speed.

The key is that once an array is fixed in size and type, the runtime  
does not need to do extensive checking of the data to determine the  
operation code, and the keys do not have to be looked up in a hash  
table to find the location of the element --just use the indexes  
directly.  The compiler can then generate the code for a much simpler  
runtime operator.  These declared arrays would run 10 to 100 times  
faster than the type-less ones for the kind of operations that are  
required by image processing, AI, statistics, and many other  
applications.  This is the main reason array processing runs so much  
faster in other languages.

Having fast array structures then opens up the possibility for a  
larger set of array operators or even an efficient way to pass the  
array pointers directly to an external.  The links between the rest  
of the data structures in Transcript and these dimensioned arrays  
become seamless.

Conceptually, the implementation of a dimensioned array would be as  
if it were a single string variable.  In other words, just a  
contiguous chunk of memory that you can index into based on the  
supplied dimensions.  We already have the concept of a pointer in  
Transcript.  When we say "get char (expression) of variable",  
"(expression)"  is a pointer.  That expression can be the index into  
a conceptual n dimensional character array.  However, at present we  
are limited to directly accessing only a single byte.  We could say   
"get char (expression) to (expression+4) of variable", to get 32 bits  
of information, but even if we know that it is supposed to represent  
a 32 bit floating point number, we have no way of telling Transcript  
that, so it will just hand us back 4 characters that could at best be  
translated into a 4 digit (including decimal point) number like  
3.14.  However, if we told the compiler that we want our variable to  
have 1000 rows by 1000 columns of  4 byte words, then the "get  
variable[25,64]" could get a 4 byte string of characters in lightning  
speed.  We could say that If we initialized our array with strings,  
we would get strings back.  If we initialized it with numbers, we  
would get numbers back --which is very Transcript like, or we could  
just specify the type.  The point is that a single dimensioned array,  
like a single variable, can hold only one data type at a time.

The advantage of such an arrangement is not only speed, but also  
compactness.  If we are interested in speed it is likely that we have  
a large quantity of data.  Arrays in Transcript today have a large  
overhead due to the key structure.  Dimensioned arrays could easily  
take half the space or even less.  The syntax could be very simple like:

global myArray[1000,1000]=0 --numeric array
local myArray[1000,1000,5]=false --Boolean array
local myArray[1000]="" --empty character array
local myArray[100,300]="abcd" --4 character word array

Dennis


From see3d at writeme.com  Mon Jul  4 22:35:56 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 22:35:56 -0400
Subject: Scripting conference Groups stack uploaded
In-Reply-To: <42C9E1C9.7050205@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <42C9BFD7.8060006@hyperactivesw.com>
	<FF652025-DF97-4A55-9C94-0B3EF36C0575@genesearch.com.au>
	<42C9E1C9.7050205@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <0342C78D-DE2C-4264-ACF2-D19F314AEFE8@writeme.com>

Gives me 12:00 PM EST which is correct.

On Jul 4, 2005, at 9:26 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> get "1120924800";convert it to short date and time;put it



From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Mon Jul  4 22:39:09 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 12:39:09 +1000
Subject: Parameter checking
In-Reply-To: <BEEF58D9.2471F%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <BEEF58D9.2471F%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <7982A134-2625-44AF-B470-DFECDD432F09@genesearch.com.au>

> You can use RegEx to see if an incoming param matches a set of  
> strings or
> numbers. The basic rules are:
>
> 1) Put what you're looking for in brackets
> 2) If you actually have a range to check, you can use the hyphen  
> between
> (even for letters).
>
> So, for example, if you are checking to see if p1 is between A and  
> P (case
> insensitive), you can do this:
>
>   if not matchText(p1,"(?i)[A-P]") then exit to top
>
> OR this:
>
>   if not matchText(p1,"[A-Pa-p]") then exit to top
>
> the (?i) means to be case insensitive. Here's a few more from your  
> example:
>
>   if not matchText(p2,"[1-8]") then exit to top
>   if not matchText(p3,"[SD]") then exit to top  -- note s,d won't  
> match
>   if not matchText(p3,"(?i)[SD]") then exit to top  -- matches SDsd
>   if not matchText(p3,"[SDsd]") then exit to top  -- matches SDsd
>
> HTH,

You bet it does. Thanks Ken, you're a genius!

Sarah



From yoursignup at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  4 22:59:55 2005
From: yoursignup at yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 16:59:55 -1000
Subject: Scripting conference Groups stack uploaded
In-Reply-To: <42C9E1C9.7050205@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLOEFPHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>

Gives me 7/9/05 6:00 AM, which is the correct Hawaii Standard Time (HST) for
12:00 PM EST. Now the question is, will this match EST in the winter when
most of the US switches to Daylight Savings and we don't.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of J. Landman
Gay
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 3:27 PM
Cc: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Scripting conference Groups stack uploaded


On 7/4/05 7:09 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

 > Hi Jacque,
 >
 >> The scripting conference stack for this weekend has been uploaded  for
 >> you to study in advance. This week's conference is on Groups  and
 >> Backgrounds, presented by veteran educator Judy Perry. To  download
 >> the stack and to get information about the date and time,  go to the
 >> usual web page:
 >
 >
 > Now you're not even trying to get the date & time right :-)

LOL! Hey, once burned, twice shy. And thrice burned...what? Emergency room?

 >
 > Why not post it in seconds? On your system, convert your local date &
 > time for the conference into seconds and post that to the list.
 >
 > Then when we all receive the email, we just have to convert it back  to
 > date and time and it will appear in our own local times, taking
 > advantage of the feature of "the seconds" that drives me crazy :-)

What a great idea. It is no surprise it comes from the lady who will be
doing the conference on dates and times. Okay, the next scripting
conference will be at 1120924800 seconds.

I am curious to know if this works for all time zones everywhere. For
those who want to try it, run this in the message box:

   get "1120924800";convert it to short date and time;put it

To be safe, double-check the web page anyway. :)


--
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Tue Jul  5 00:02:23 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 14:02:23 +1000
Subject: Scripting conference Groups stack uploaded
In-Reply-To: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLOEFPHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
References: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLOEFPHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <653B42DA-78BB-4248-9D5F-394E57E22818@genesearch.com.au>

On 05/07/2005, at 1:01 PM, Jim Bufalini wrote:

> Gives me 7/9/05 6:00 AM, which is the correct Hawaii Standard Time  
> (HST) for
> 12:00 PM EST. Now the question is, will this match EST in the  
> winter when
> most of the US switches to Daylight Savings and we don't.
>
> Jim
>
I think it will still show your correct time, with or without  
daylight savings. Certainly when I was sending data across time zones  
using the seconds, I had to apply 2 fixes: one for the time zone and  
another for daylight savings.

Altering Jacque's script for international systems:
    get "1120924800";convert it to short system date and time;put it

Unfortunately, it still gives me a time of 2 am :-(

Sarah



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Jul  5 00:04:50 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 23:04:50 -0500
Subject: Making Revolution faster using dimensioned arrays
In-Reply-To: <E4963214-5D66-49D9-A89C-CCAE29C78E2C@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <BEEF7112.2475C%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 7/4/05 9:33 PM, "Dennis Brown" <see3d at writeme.com> wrote:

> The advantage of such an arrangement is not only speed, but also
> compactness.  If we are interested in speed it is likely that we have
> a large quantity of data.  Arrays in Transcript today have a large
> overhead due to the key structure.  Dimensioned arrays could easily
> take half the space or even less.  The syntax could be very simple like:
> 
> global myArray[1000,1000]=0 --numeric array
> local myArray[1000,1000,5]=false --Boolean array
> local myArray[1000]="" --empty character array
> local myArray[100,300]="abcd" --4 character word array

I really like this idea, Dennis, but I'm not sure I like the approach to
dimensioning, only because of Transcript's history of being able to
interpret things as strings, even if not quoted. So is:

  local myArray[100,300]="false"

a boolean array, or a 5-character word array? Perhaps it's acceptable to be
more picky about this (i.e. the above would be a 5 character word array),
since we don't currently have a way of assigning a type, but I think there's
a better way. For example, using your approach, if you wanted a 25 character
word array, you'd have to provide a 25-character-long string.

It seems to me that the main thing is not the *type* of data, but for the
interpreter to know that there is a fixed size to array elements. So perhaps
something like:

  local myArray[100,300] length 5

or something like that...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Jul  5 00:17:00 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 23:17:00 -0500
Subject: ("sqlite", filepath...)
In-Reply-To: <BEEEDE40.16E5%transcom@comcast.net>
References: <BEEEDE40.16E5%transcom@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <42CA09BC.70605@chipp.com>

Hi Michael,

You should check out these two properties:

the address
the filename

You can find the path to the standalone using 'the address property'. 
You can find the path to a given stack using 'the effective filename' 
property.

Michael Mandaville wrote:
> How can I program a new database, made with altSQLite, to put the database
> in the same folder i.e., the filepath, where the user created a new stack
> from the application?
> 
> Is there a certain piece of code which picks up the name of their file
> (chosen by the user) and then automatically put into the 'filepath' ?


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Tue Jul  5 01:10:08 2005
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 00:10:08 -0500
Subject: CocoaMySQL -- was : How do I make simple multiple user access app?
In-Reply-To: <02457711-EE57-4C89-9236-025EFB6C716B@vortex.co.uk>
References: <1120440740.42c891a48b800@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
	<02457711-EE57-4C89-9236-025EFB6C716B@vortex.co.uk>
Message-ID: <p06210200beefc4bcd472@[192.168.1.7]>

I could never figure out how to use phpMyAdmin to actually let me 
ENTER data (if it does at all), not just build the structure.

Often I'll use CocoaMySQL to build the schema and stuff the database 
with data, then use my app after that. It uses an easy to use 
spreadsheet metaphor to enter data.

This way I have good data to start testing my app right away. 
Import/Export is a snap and it reads the first line of my data to get 
the fieldnames for import. On many web based projects that mainly 
need to display lists from a database (such as a tour schedule for 
CSN) I just enter the data directly from CocoaMySQL and don't have to 
create an entry or admin panel.

Much easier to use than a web-based app.

sqb

>Marielle Lange wrote:
>
>>Just in case not. I wonder if you know of PhPMyAdmin (wrongly named 
>>as what it
>>does is administer MySQL db).
>
>and Stephen Bancard added:
>
>>And if you have a Mac, CocoaMySQL (client) is far better for 
>>managing a MySQL database than the server-based phpMyAdmin, in my 
>>opinion, and it's free.
>
>Thanks both of you. I use PHPMyAdmin right now for some ongoing 
>MySQL tests. I don't have any serious problem with it, although it 
>could certainly be better. Stephen, I'll grab a copy of CocoaMySQL 
>and see how that goes, thanks!
>
>k
>


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Tue Jul  5 01:23:01 2005
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 00:23:01 -0500
Subject: [Bug 2813] High Speed Array Subprocessor instruction extensions
In-Reply-To: <20050704212835.22CFDBCCD04@www.runrev.com>
References: <20050704212835.22CFDBCCD04@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p06210201beefc954e7c5@[192.168.1.100]>

This is where OPTIONAL 'typing' would be very, very useful.

sqb


>http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2813
>
>
>
>
>
>------- Additional Comments From see3d at writeme.com  2005-07-04 17:28 -------
>After giving this much thought, I don't believe that it is needed to have a
>seperate array subprocessor.  Transcript could provide the speed needed for
>processing arrays in a simpler way.  If Transcript had an array 
>declaration command
>that allowed the user to fix the dimensions and data size/type for 
>an array and
>limited the "keys" to integer indexes, then high speed array 
>processing could be
>built-in.  The key is that once an array is fixed in size and type, the
>compiler/runtime does not need to do extensive checking of the data 
>to determine
>the operation code.  The compiler can then generate the code for a 
>much simpler
>runtime operator.  These declared arrays would run 10 to 100 times 
>faster than the
>typless ones for the kind of operations that are required by image 
>processing, AI,
>statistics, and many other applications.
>
>
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue Jul  5 01:29:54 2005
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 22:29:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Where are my sub-menus?
In-Reply-To: <42C9839F.4050906@sover.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507042229060.11741-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Raskin would be horrified.

Judy

On Mon, 4 Jul 2005, Jon wrote:

> It reminds me of the
> recent Windows (XP?) feature where menu entries disappear if you don't
> use them enough.  I disable this on every system I encounter.



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue Jul  5 01:34:44 2005
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 22:34:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Scripting conference Groups stack uploaded
In-Reply-To: <FF652025-DF97-4A55-9C94-0B3EF36C0575@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507042234020.11741-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

And, here, I'm just hoping that I wake up in time ;-)

Judy

On Tue, 5 Jul 2005, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> Hi Jacque,
> Now you're not even trying to get the date & time right :-)
>
> Why not post it in seconds? On your system, convert your local date &
> time for the conference into seconds and post that to the list.



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue Jul  5 02:37:23 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 08:37:23 +0200
Subject: Stack Level Local/Globals
In-Reply-To: <2D630432-DB68-4E8C-9607-4162CE06E60D@writeme.com>
References: <D5140051-EEFA-466A-9DEB-A6DCFAB0916F@writeme.com>
	<B80FF68F-23AF-4D97-83FE-0D9C9F80D89B@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<2D630432-DB68-4E8C-9607-4162CE06E60D@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <AAF706B6-EB5D-4447-9674-5AAD4CDC335C@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Dennis,

Nice tests :-)
I agree: The conclusions are a bit hard to understand...
I am inclined to think that for intensive calculations (repeat for  
each pixel tPixel ;-) global arrays would be always preferable.
In most cases and *practically*, custom properties "slowness" (as I  
explained it in a previous post) is not a problem.
Depends on the context.
I bet that, in many cases, code optimisation has to be searched for  
elsewhere :-)

Le 4 juil. 05 ? 23:42, Dennis Brown a ?crit :

> The conclusions are a bit hard to understand for this example, but  
> it appears that custom properties sets used instead of global  
> arrays are about 2.5 times as slow for writing and 3 times as slow  
> for reading, except for the case where a very large data string is  
> stored, then it seems to take much longer for the globals to create  
> a very large data space for each element.  I can only conclude that  
> the method used for creating new data space for globals involves a  
> lot of shuffling of memory structures, while the method used for  
> custom properties is simpler.  However, it is only a guess at this  
> point.
>
> In any case using custom properties for the compute intensive  
> arrays would significantly slow my program.  However, they would be  
> a viable alternative to globals for many cases.


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From rev at armbase.com  Tue Jul  5 05:45:17 2005
From: rev at armbase.com (rev at armbase.com)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 10:45:17 +0100
Subject: filepaths and seeing clearly
Message-ID: <1120556717.42ca56ad81e58@webmail.armbase.com>


Hi All

I have to share this wee story about how I have been battering my head on the
wall due to filepaths. I hope it can be of use to some.

Here goes......

I have an app which has a components folder with externals in it.

I can use absolute paths....
on mouseUp

  set the hideConsoleWindows to true
  put "c:\Armbase\Components\PDATconv.exe /I" && quote &
"c:\Armbase\Components\Armbase.xdf" & quote into mycommandline
  get shell(mycommandline)

  put url("file:c:\Armbase\Components\Armbase.txt") into tFile


  repeat for each line tLine in tFile

    put item 1 of tLine into fld "field1"
    put item 2 of tLine into fld "field2"
    put item 3 of tLine into fld "field3"
    put item 4 of tLine into fld "field4"
    put item 5 of tLine into fld "field5"
    put item 6 of tLine into fld "field6"
    create card -- for next line of values
  end repeat
  delete last card -- last card was never loaded with values

  -- now each line is displayed on a separate card
end mouseUp


But I cannot get relative paths working using various scripts that I have
canibalised and recreated in many guises. I was at my wits end over this one.
Even considering posting about paying someone to do it for me even though the
app is free.

However, I sat back today and thought. Hold on!!!!!!! All I want is the user to
be able to put the .exe anywhere. And here is the "really silly bit" where I
shouted at myself :-) BOB!!!!! THE COMPONENTS FOLDER DOES NOT HAVE TO FOILLOW
THE .EXE. :-)

And so it was a eureka moment. I was trying to be too neat and have the folder
all self-contained. Why? I simply have to use Installgadget to put the
components folder in the same place and then the user can put the .exe where
they like. So blooming easy.

So the moral of the story is.... Sometimes it is easier to work with the problem
as it is.. rather than try too hard to be elegant.

Hope this is of use to some.

Regards
Bob; Sunny Scotland (honest it really is)






From ridge11103 at btinternet.com  Tue Jul  5 05:46:22 2005
From: ridge11103 at btinternet.com (John Ridge)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 10:46:22 +0100
Subject: Button leaving behind droppings
In-Reply-To: <42C9A453.7060609@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <BEF0157D.4900%ridge11103@btinternet.com>

on 4/7/05 10:04 pm,  Alex Tweedly wrote :


Is there something else I ought to do (or not do) here ?

Create a new mainstack
Create a button in it  (all default values)

edit the card script to say

on mouseMove
 put the loc of button "button" into tLoc
 put item 1 of the mouseloc into item 1 of tLoc
 set the loc of button "button" to tLoc
end mouseMove

and the button moves along with the mouse, just like you'd want.

Then Inspect the button, and select "default button" - now the button
moves, but leaves behind "droppings" as it moves.

Is there something else I ought to do to move a "default" button, or
should I BZ this ?
(winXP, Rev 2.6, and 2.5 but not 2.2)

**************************
Alex, this looks seriously weird on Mac OS 9 - all button styles seem to be
equally affected. Horrible!

The following looks even worse, predictably

on mouseMove
  put the loc of button "button" into tLoc
  put the mouseloc into  tLoc
  set the loc of button "button" to tLoc
end mouseMove

When I want to move something, I do "grab btn "button"" and all is well. So
what's going on?
John
-- 




From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Tue Jul  5 06:07:13 2005
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 11:07:13 +0100
Subject: Parameter checking
In-Reply-To: <BEEF58D9.2471F%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <BEEF58D9.2471F%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <B0566835-047E-4A36-93E2-8B520E68A4F4@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 5 Jul 2005, at 03:21, Ken Ray wrote:


>
> So, for example, if you are checking to see if p1 is between A and  
> P (case
> insensitive), you can do this:
>
>   if not matchText(p1,"(?i)[A-P]") then exit to top
>
> OR this:
>
>   if not matchText(p1,"[A-Pa-p]") then exit to top

Ken, I think you need to make it like this:

   if not matchText(p1,"^[A-Pa-p]$") then exit to top


Otherwise it will match strings that contain the target character,  
which I don't think is what Sarah wants.

e.g. 123B will pass the test.

So for the other examples

   if not matchText(p2,"^[1-8]$") then exit to top
   if not matchText(p3,"^[SD]$") then exit to top  -- note s,d won't  
match
   if not matchText(p3,"(?i)^[SD]$") then exit to top  -- matches SDsd
   if not matchText(p3,"^[SDsd]$") then exit to top  -- matches SDsd


Cheers
Dave


From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Tue Jul  5 06:27:27 2005
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 11:27:27 +0100
Subject: Button leaving behind droppings
In-Reply-To: <42C9A453.7060609@tweedly.net>
References: <42C9A453.7060609@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <0CCBB76E-2B0A-49F6-99BE-79262059178F@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 4 Jul 2005, at 22:04, Alex Tweedly wrote:

>
> Is there something else I ought to do (or not do) here ?
>
> Create a new mainstack
> Create a button in it  (all default values)
>
> edit the card script to say
>
> on mouseMove
>  put the loc of button "button" into tLoc
>  put item 1 of the mouseloc into item 1 of tLoc
>  set the loc of button "button" to tLoc
> end mouseMove
>
> and the button moves along with the mouse, just like you'd want.
>
> Then Inspect the button, and select "default button" - now the  
> button moves, but leaves behind "droppings" as it moves.

On OS X, I get the droppings too, (I always wondered what the  
technical term was. Thanks.) but only when the button is selected and  
is set as default. It seems the droppings are left by the selection  
handles, and not the button. Is that the same on Windows?


Cheers
Dave


From ridge11103 at btinternet.com  Tue Jul  5 06:37:30 2005
From: ridge11103 at btinternet.com (John Ridge)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 11:37:30 +0100
Subject: Button leaving behind droppings
In-Reply-To: <42C9A453.7060609@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <BEF0217A.4905%ridge11103@btinternet.com>

But on further reflection - this is the behaviour you have scripted! You
haven't said anything about erasing the remains of the last "set the loc".
The "grab" command presumably does pay attention to this...

Yes?
John


***********************************
on 4/7/05 10:04 pm,  Alex Tweedly wrote :


Is there something else I ought to do (or not do) here ?

Create a new mainstack
Create a button in it  (all default values)

edit the card script to say

on mouseMove
put the loc of button "button" into tLoc
put item 1 of the mouseloc into item 1 of tLoc
set the loc of button "button" to tLoc
end mouseMove

and the button moves along with the mouse, just like you'd want.

Then Inspect the button, and select "default button" - now the button
moves, but leaves behind "droppings" as it moves.

Is there something else I ought to do to move a "default" button, or
should I BZ this ?
(winXP, Rev 2.6, and 2.5 but not 2.2)

**************************




From rev at armbase.com  Tue Jul  5 06:42:13 2005
From: rev at armbase.com (rev at armbase.com)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 11:42:13 +0100
Subject: insert text at cursor
Message-ID: <1120560133.42ca6405127ee@webmail.armbase.com>

Hi All.

I cant find the answer to this on in the docs or list archive.

I can use a button and revgourl to go to my webmail page and the cursor is in
the first field, however, I would like to paste in the username at the cursor
and tab to the next field to enter a password.

I tried the first step to launch the browser and go to the page. The cursor is
ther but all attempts to add a line into the script that adds text at the
cursor have failed.

The docs naturally concentrate on inserting text etc in a stack field.

Any ideas, or is this even possible?

Cheers
Bob





From alex at harryscollar.com  Tue Jul  5 07:20:18 2005
From: alex at harryscollar.com (Alex Shaw)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 21:20:18 +1000
Subject: quick dirty ftp transfer?
In-Reply-To: <20050705103753.CA4C482497D@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050705103753.CA4C482497D@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <42CA6CF2.9000100@harryscollar.com>

hmmm.. no netbios or samba here (don't like em) so looks like good old 
raw sockets will have to do :)

looks like i have to print out libURL, thanks derek

regards
alex

> Well, if the networks are connected then you can just copy the file to 
> the different machine.  This eliminates the need for a client/server 
> app.  If they are on 2 different networks that are not connected, then I 
> would recommend you go the sockets route.
> 
> 
> Derek Bump
> Dreamscape Software


From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Tue Jul  5 07:31:06 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 07:31:06 -0400
Subject: Embedded objects in fields
In-Reply-To: <2EEFF1F1-D9E8-478A-8B05-90F00CAE35D2@danshafer.com>
References: <web-333934758@mail.maclaunch.com>
	<B3889E07-B763-4ACE-B314-2953EB6EDBDC@conncoll.edu>
	<2EEFF1F1-D9E8-478A-8B05-90F00CAE35D2@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <1f0078a3d03a1e4d8972d4743cfda003@adelphia.net>

2 cents:

I agree. It is not good moving buttons in fields or groups. It makes it 
too hard for users to develop a motor plan for those buttons. A motor 
plan is what happens during touch typing or even during walking where 
our muscles develop a plan to those activities without having to think 
about it.

In fact having to think about it is what slows us down. Try to think 
about the muscles in your legs moving while walking down the stairs - 
careful because you might actually fall down. Using motor plans is the 
'only' way to become truly proficient at using professional software. 
This is true for menus as well - constantly moving menus around make a 
user stop and then have to search for the menu and item visually.

There have been hundreds of papers and years of research done on this. 
It is part of what I do for a living.

I think that games might be the exception to this where movement is a 
part of the fun of the game.

Tom

On Jul 4, 2005, at 5:18 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:

> Just my two cents -- and it's a holiday here so my brain may be 
> otherwise engaged -- I think putting buttons into scrolling fields is 
> a terrible UI idea. By definition, it puts certain functionality out 
> of the reach of the user until and unless s/he scrolls the field. 
> Lotus NOtes allowed this and every time I saw an app designed to take 
> advantage of it, users got confused.
>
> I suspect I feel the same way about buttons in scrolling GROUPS. 
> Interactive functionality needs to be where users 
> can...well...interact with it, no?
>
> Dan (who fears he's probably started another one of those "up your 
> opinion" threads that are so much fun)
>
>
> On Jul 4, 2005, at 8:14 AM, Charles Hartman wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jul 1, 2005, at 1:04 PM, Mathewson wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I have just downloaded the SuperCard 4.5 demo and found
>>> they have a new feature:
>>>
>>> allowObjects
>>>
>>> this lets the user embed object (images and so on) inside
>>> FIELDS:
>>>
>>> WOW - I would love scrolling text fields with pictures!
>>>
>>
>>
>> -- and buttons! (At the moment I'm doing this is a non-scrolling 
>> field inside a scrolling group, but aside from being tedious that has 
>> other disadvantages, such as the scroll-wheel not working right.)
>>
>> Charles Hartman
>>
>>
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From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Tue Jul  5 07:46:31 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 07:46:31 -0400
Subject: Embedded objects in fields
In-Reply-To: <1f0078a3d03a1e4d8972d4743cfda003@adelphia.net>
References: <web-333934758@mail.maclaunch.com>
	<B3889E07-B763-4ACE-B314-2953EB6EDBDC@conncoll.edu>
	<2EEFF1F1-D9E8-478A-8B05-90F00CAE35D2@danshafer.com>
	<1f0078a3d03a1e4d8972d4743cfda003@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <8DE4AD58-135D-47C2-BF3B-1D955FF8221E@conncoll.edu>

Yes, but couldn't it be argued that in this sense a tutorial app --  
in effect, just a slicker & thinner alternative to a textbook -- has  
requirements-on-the-user's-attention different from a normal,  
"productive" app? Even *opposite* requirements? Slow 'em down! Block  
that skimming! OK, I know it isn't as simple (or as complicated?) as  
that . . . I just keep remembering Einstein, Things should be as  
simple as possible, and no simpler. But I didn't mean to start a UI  
or HIG thread.

Charles Hartman


On Jul 5, 2005, at 7:31 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> 2 cents:
>
> I agree. It is not good moving buttons in fields or groups. It  
> makes it too hard for users to develop a motor plan for those  
> buttons. A motor plan is what happens during touch typing or even  
> during walking where our muscles develop a plan to those activities  
> without having to think about it.
>
> In fact having to think about it is what slows us down. Try to  
> think about the muscles in your legs moving while walking down the  
> stairs - careful because you might actually fall down. Using motor  
> plans is the 'only' way to become truly proficient at using  
> professional software. This is true for menus as well - constantly  
> moving menus around make a user stop and then have to search for  
> the menu and item visually.
>
> There have been hundreds of papers and years of research done on  
> this. It is part of what I do for a living.
>
> I think that games might be the exception to this where movement is  
> a part of the fun of the game.
>
> Tom
>
> On Jul 4, 2005, at 5:18 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:
>
>
>> Just my two cents -- and it's a holiday here so my brain may be  
>> otherwise engaged -- I think putting buttons into scrolling fields  
>> is a terrible UI idea. By definition, it puts certain  
>> functionality out of the reach of the user until and unless s/he  
>> scrolls the field. Lotus NOtes allowed this and every time I saw  
>> an app designed to take advantage of it, users got confused.
>>
>> I suspect I feel the same way about buttons in scrolling GROUPS.  
>> Interactive functionality needs to be where users  
>> can...well...interact with it, no?
>>
>> Dan (who fears he's probably started another one of those "up your  
>> opinion" threads that are so much fun)
>>
>>
>> On Jul 4, 2005, at 8:14 AM, Charles Hartman wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 1, 2005, at 1:04 PM, Mathewson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I have just downloaded the SuperCard 4.5 demo and found
>>>> they have a new feature:
>>>>
>>>> allowObjects
>>>>
>>>> this lets the user embed object (images and so on) inside
>>>> FIELDS:
>>>>
>>>> WOW - I would love scrolling text fields with pictures!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- and buttons! (At the moment I'm doing this is a non-scrolling  
>>> field inside a scrolling group, but aside from being tedious that  
>>> has other disadvantages, such as the scroll-wheel not working  
>>> right.)
>>>
>>> Charles Hartman
>>>
>>>
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From jbondy at sover.net  Tue Jul  5 08:01:43 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 08:01:43 -0400
Subject: Making Revolution faster using dimensioned arrays
In-Reply-To: <E4963214-5D66-49D9-A89C-CCAE29C78E2C@writeme.com>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445AC@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>	<b01496000df3c11464785da1b5f56204@writeme.com>
	<E4963214-5D66-49D9-A89C-CCAE29C78E2C@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <42CA76A7.9080804@sover.net>

"These declared arrays would run 10 to 100 times  faster than the 
type-less ones for the kind of operations that are  required by image 
processing, AI, statistics, and many other  applications."

Given the detailed work that Alex (?) did a week or two ago with my 
algorithms, I am not at all sure that your optimism is warranted.  That 
said, I love the idea <grin>

Jon


Dennis Brown wrote:

> To all the speed freaks,
>
> I know that I have pushed for faster array processing and have even  
> proposed an "Array sub-processor" as a possible solution.  However,  
> after giving this much thought, I don't believe that a separate array  
> sub-processor is needed to solve the problem of speed.  Transcript  
> could provide the speed needed for processing arrays in a simpler way.
>
> If Transcript had an array declaration command that allowed the user  
> to fix the dimensions and data size/type for an array and limited the  
> "keys" to integer indexes, then high speed array processing could be  
> built-in.
>
> Normally it would be a pain to have to dim all arrays.  Arrays in  
> Transcript are sparsely populated and very general now --and could be  
> further extended to make them even better for many general purpose  
> solutions.  However, there is a class of problems that need speed and  
> generally lend themselves to fixing the type and size.  These  
> problems are quite common, but rarely seen implemented in Transcript  
> because of the slow array processing speed.
>
> The key is that once an array is fixed in size and type, the runtime  
> does not need to do extensive checking of the data to determine the  
> operation code, and the keys do not have to be looked up in a hash  
> table to find the location of the element --just use the indexes  
> directly.  The compiler can then generate the code for a much simpler  
> runtime operator.  These declared arrays would run 10 to 100 times  
> faster than the type-less ones for the kind of operations that are  
> required by image processing, AI, statistics, and many other  
> applications.  This is the main reason array processing runs so much  
> faster in other languages.
>
> Having fast array structures then opens up the possibility for a  
> larger set of array operators or even an efficient way to pass the  
> array pointers directly to an external.  The links between the rest  
> of the data structures in Transcript and these dimensioned arrays  
> become seamless.
>
> Conceptually, the implementation of a dimensioned array would be as  
> if it were a single string variable.  In other words, just a  
> contiguous chunk of memory that you can index into based on the  
> supplied dimensions.  We already have the concept of a pointer in  
> Transcript.  When we say "get char (expression) of variable",  
> "(expression)"  is a pointer.  That expression can be the index into  
> a conceptual n dimensional character array.  However, at present we  
> are limited to directly accessing only a single byte.  We could say   
> "get char (expression) to (expression+4) of variable", to get 32 bits  
> of information, but even if we know that it is supposed to represent  
> a 32 bit floating point number, we have no way of telling Transcript  
> that, so it will just hand us back 4 characters that could at best be  
> translated into a 4 digit (including decimal point) number like  
> 3.14.  However, if we told the compiler that we want our variable to  
> have 1000 rows by 1000 columns of  4 byte words, then the "get  
> variable[25,64]" could get a 4 byte string of characters in lightning  
> speed.  We could say that If we initialized our array with strings,  
> we would get strings back.  If we initialized it with numbers, we  
> would get numbers back --which is very Transcript like, or we could  
> just specify the type.  The point is that a single dimensioned array,  
> like a single variable, can hold only one data type at a time.
>
> The advantage of such an arrangement is not only speed, but also  
> compactness.  If we are interested in speed it is likely that we have  
> a large quantity of data.  Arrays in Transcript today have a large  
> overhead due to the key structure.  Dimensioned arrays could easily  
> take half the space or even less.  The syntax could be very simple like:
>
> global myArray[1000,1000]=0 --numeric array
> local myArray[1000,1000,5]=false --Boolean array
> local myArray[1000]="" --empty character array
> local myArray[100,300]="abcd" --4 character word array
>
> Dennis
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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Tue Jul  5 08:16:09 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 08:16:09 -0400
Subject: Scripting conference Groups stack uploaded
In-Reply-To: <BEF02352.18070%rstace@uow.edu.au>
References: <BEF02352.18070%rstace@uow.edu.au>
Message-ID: <6d4fd42bd3505ceb9215069b5d7d8e32@adelphia.net>

returns:
7/9/05 12:00 PM in Pittsburgh, PA, USA


Tom


On Jul 4, 2005, at 9:45 PM, Ray Stace wrote:

>>  get "1120924800";convert it to short date and time;put it


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From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Jul  5 08:22:19 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 13:22:19 +0100
Subject: Button leaving behind droppings
In-Reply-To: <0CCBB76E-2B0A-49F6-99BE-79262059178F@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <42C9A453.7060609@tweedly.net>
	<0CCBB76E-2B0A-49F6-99BE-79262059178F@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <42CA7B7B.9080101@tweedly.net>

Dave Cragg wrote:

>
> On OS X, I get the droppings too, (I always wondered what the  
> technical term was. Thanks.) but only when the button is selected and  
> is set as default. It seems the droppings are left by the selection  
> handles, and not the button. Is that the same on Windows?

No.
When I select the button, I get two sets of droppings
  - remnants of gray squares from the selection handle
  - remnants of black lines along the trailing edge of the button

When the button is not selected, I get only the black lines left behind 
- and they are only on the trailing edge, and are apparently single 
pixel width.

When I switch from Edit (pointer) tool to Run (browse) tool, the 
droppings all disappear. When I hit an arrow key, they all disappear. 
But when I hit the tab key, focus moves to the next button, but the 
droppings remain.

Thanks to you and John for checking - I feel safe entering it as a BZ 
now - #2974

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From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Jul  5 08:25:33 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 13:25:33 +0100
Subject: Button leaving behind droppings
In-Reply-To: <BEF0217A.4905%ridge11103@btinternet.com>
References: <BEF0217A.4905%ridge11103@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <42CA7C3D.8080006@tweedly.net>

John Ridge wrote:

>But on further reflection - this is the behaviour you have scripted! You
>haven't said anything about erasing the remains of the last "set the loc".
>The "grab" command presumably does pay attention to this...
>
>Yes?
>  
>
No. You never say anything about erasing at the old location (in fact, I 
don't know if there is any way to do that). To change the location of an 
object you set its location - and it disappears from the old location 
and appears at the new one. Nothing else needed.

The "grab" command comes with limitations - e.g. the object follows the 
mouse completely - not simply in one dimension as I need, it can only be 
used when the mouseloc is within the object, etc. (according to the docs 
- I've never used it, so can't confirm those).

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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue Jul  5 08:30:45 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 14:30:45 +0200
Subject: Button leaving behind droppings
In-Reply-To: <42CA7B7B.9080101@tweedly.net>
References: <42C9A453.7060609@tweedly.net>
	<0CCBB76E-2B0A-49F6-99BE-79262059178F@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<42CA7B7B.9080101@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <092519ED-31DE-4824-A784-CE8DE3154ECF@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Alex,

Could not we call that an IDE worrying dysfunction dedicated to  
programmers?
There's a little chance to encounter this feature in any standalone  
or even in any stack normally used :-)

Le 5 juil. 05 ? 14:22, Alex Tweedly a ?crit :

> Dave Cragg wrote:
>
>
>>
>> On OS X, I get the droppings too, (I always wondered what the   
>> technical term was. Thanks.) but only when the button is selected  
>> and  is set as default. It seems the droppings are left by the  
>> selection  handles, and not the button. Is that the same on Windows?
>>
>
> No.
> When I select the button, I get two sets of droppings
>  - remnants of gray squares from the selection handle
>  - remnants of black lines along the trailing edge of the button
>
> When the button is not selected, I get only the black lines left  
> behind - and they are only on the trailing edge, and are apparently  
> single pixel width.
>
> When I switch from Edit (pointer) tool to Run (browse) tool, the  
> droppings all disappear. When I hit an arrow key, they all  
> disappear. But when I hit the tab key, focus moves to the next  
> button, but the droppings remain.
>
> Thanks to you and John for checking - I feel safe entering it as a  
> BZ now - #2974
>
> -- 
> Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net

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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Tue Jul  5 08:30:55 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 08:30:55 -0400
Subject: Button leaving behind droppings
In-Reply-To: <BEF0157D.4900%ridge11103@btinternet.com>
References: <BEF0157D.4900%ridge11103@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <dd2badc7029c393f0d5feda3392ea542@adelphia.net>

This is only in the IDE in 'work' mode. If you switch to the 
pointer(versus selection arrow) there are no droppings.

Is it  a bug or an anomaly? There are many anomalies when working in 
the 'work' part of the ide.

Tom

On Jul 5, 2005, at 5:46 AM, John Ridge wrote:

>
> Then Inspect the button, and select "default button" - now the button
> moves, but leaves behind "droppings" as it moves.
>
> Is there something else I ought to do to move a "default" button, or
> should I BZ this ?
>


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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Tue Jul  5 08:43:31 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 08:43:31 -0400
Subject: Embedded objects in fields
In-Reply-To: <8DE4AD58-135D-47C2-BF3B-1D955FF8221E@conncoll.edu>
References: <web-333934758@mail.maclaunch.com>
	<B3889E07-B763-4ACE-B314-2953EB6EDBDC@conncoll.edu>
	<2EEFF1F1-D9E8-478A-8B05-90F00CAE35D2@danshafer.com>
	<1f0078a3d03a1e4d8972d4743cfda003@adelphia.net>
	<8DE4AD58-135D-47C2-BF3B-1D955FF8221E@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <d09dbc5453ee529b1d44cd868a63fd3b@adelphia.net>

Charles,

I am a firm believer in "Rules are meant to be broken" and KISS (Keep 
it simple stupid). I am also a Rebel at heart so I take the suggestions 
from people about good form and then 'see' what it might look like in 
real life. If my alternative solution works and is good enough than I 
go for it. Also, I believe the audience is your judge and depending on 
who the tutorial is for should dictate the actions you take.

I will say there are very good reasons for some standards and 
guidelines. And simple for a user is not always simple for the 
programmer in fact it sometimes takes complicated solutions to make 
something appear simple for the user.

Lastly, I feel it is our duty as programmers(even hobbiest) to make any 
app or tutorial follow good form and suggest others to think the same 
way.

I would love to see your stack when finished.

GL

Tom

On Jul 5, 2005, at 7:46 AM, Charles Hartman wrote:

> Yes, but couldn't it be argued that in this sense a tutorial app -- in 
> effect, just a slicker & thinner alternative to a textbook -- has 
> requirements-on-the-user's-attention different from a normal, 
> "productive" app? Even *opposite* requirements? Slow 'em down! Block 
> that skimming! OK, I know it isn't as simple (or as complicated?) as 
> that . . . I just keep remembering Einstein, Things should be as 
> simple as possible, and no simpler. But I didn't mean to start a UI or 
> HIG thread.
>
> Charles Hartman
>
>
> On Jul 5, 2005, at 7:31 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>
>> 2 cents:
>>
>> I agree. It is not good moving buttons in fields or groups. It makes 
>> it too hard for users to develop a motor plan for those buttons. A 
>> motor plan is what happens during touch typing or even during walking 
>> where our muscles develop a plan to those activities without having 
>> to think about it.
>>
>> In fact having to think about it is what slows us down. Try to think 
>> about the muscles in your legs moving while walking down the stairs - 
>> careful because you might actually fall down. Using motor plans is 
>> the 'only' way to become truly proficient at using professional 
>> software. This is true for menus as well - constantly moving menus 
>> around make a user stop and then have to search for the menu and item 
>> visually.
>>
>> There have been hundreds of papers and years of research done on 
>> this. It is part of what I do for a living.
>>
>> I think that games might be the exception to this where movement is a 
>> part of the fun of the game.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> On Jul 4, 2005, at 5:18 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Just my two cents -- and it's a holiday here so my brain may be 
>>> otherwise engaged -- I think putting buttons into scrolling fields 
>>> is a terrible UI idea. By definition, it puts certain functionality 
>>> out of the reach of the user until and unless s/he scrolls the 
>>> field. Lotus NOtes allowed this and every time I saw an app designed 
>>> to take advantage of it, users got confused.
>>>
>>> I suspect I feel the same way about buttons in scrolling GROUPS. 
>>> Interactive functionality needs to be where users 
>>> can...well...interact with it, no?
>>>
>>> Dan (who fears he's probably started another one of those "up your 
>>> opinion" threads that are so much fun)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 4, 2005, at 8:14 AM, Charles Hartman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 1, 2005, at 1:04 PM, Mathewson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I have just downloaded the SuperCard 4.5 demo and found
>>>>> they have a new feature:
>>>>>
>>>>> allowObjects
>>>>>
>>>>> this lets the user embed object (images and so on) inside
>>>>> FIELDS:
>>>>>
>>>>> WOW - I would love scrolling text fields with pictures!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- and buttons! (At the moment I'm doing this is a non-scrolling 
>>>> field inside a scrolling group, but aside from being tedious that 
>>>> has other disadvantages, such as the scroll-wheel not working 
>>>> right.)
>>>>
>>>> Charles Hartman
>>>>
>>>>
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From rjb at robelko.com  Tue Jul  5 08:47:53 2005
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 14:47:53 +0200
Subject: Button leaving behind droppings
In-Reply-To: <dd2badc7029c393f0d5feda3392ea542@adelphia.net>
References: <BEF0157D.4900%ridge11103@btinternet.com>
	<dd2badc7029c393f0d5feda3392ea542@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <a06110401bef0313ed429@[141.89.100.174]>

>This is only in the IDE in 'work' mode. If you switch to the 
>pointer(versus selection arrow) there are no droppings.
>
>Is it  a bug or an anomaly? There are many anomalies when working in 
>the 'work' part of the ide.
>
>Tom

I somehow doubt this is a bug. It probably works same in both modes, 
the difference being that IDE does tons of things behind the scenes 
(just fire the message watcher and watch all the messages from IDE) 
with a side-effect of not being able to update the display fast 
enough when extra processing is required (selection markers, default 
button outline).

Robert


From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Jul  5 09:17:17 2005
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:17:17 +0200
Subject: Button leaving behind droppings
In-Reply-To: <a06110401bef0313ed429@[141.89.100.174]>
References: <BEF0157D.4900%ridge11103@btinternet.com>
	<dd2badc7029c393f0d5feda3392ea542@adelphia.net>
	<a06110401bef0313ed429@[141.89.100.174]>
Message-ID: <41254900-B78A-437F-BD82-D25A33D49771@major-k.de>

Hi Robert,

>> This is only in the IDE in 'work' mode. If you switch to the  
>> pointer(versus selection arrow) there are no droppings.
>> Is it  a bug or an anomaly? There are many anomalies when working  
>> in the 'work' part of the ide.
>> Tom
> I somehow doubt this is a bug.

It's an engine bug since it also happens with Metacard!

The handles should NOT leave trails and it only affects "default"  
buttons,
but both on OS X and on my Win XP Home here...

Forcing a screen redraw will fix it.

> It probably works same in both modes, the difference being that IDE  
> does tons of things behind the scenes (just fire the message  
> watcher and watch all the messages from IDE) with a side-effect of  
> not being able to update the display fast enough when extra  
> processing is required (selection markers, default button outline).
>
> Robert

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Jul  5 09:26:50 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 14:26:50 +0100
Subject: Making Revolution faster using dimensioned arrays
In-Reply-To: <42CA76A7.9080804@sover.net>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445AC@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>	<b01496000df3c11464785da1b5f56204@writeme.com>	<E4963214-5D66-49D9-A89C-CCAE29C78E2C@writeme.com>
	<42CA76A7.9080804@sover.net>
Message-ID: <42CA8A9A.5090904@tweedly.net>

Dennis wrote:

> "These declared arrays would run 10 to 100 times  faster than the 
> type-less ones for the kind of operations that are  required by image 
> processing, AI, statistics, and many other  applications."
>
Jon wrote:

> Given the detailed work that Alex (?) did a week or two ago with my 
> algorithms, I am not at all sure that your optimism is warranted.  
> That said, I love the idea <grin>


I too love the idea. I think it would extend the scope of pure-Transcipt 
to cover a wide range of interesting problems. When it coalesces into a 
solid Bugzilla enhancement request, it will get quite a few of my votes.

But this on its own will not make pure-Transcript feasible for image 
processing tasks.

Imagine that the engine could be incredibly fast at accessing 
these"dimensioned arrays". We can easily benchmark to see how long it 
would take for various assumptions about how fast it *could* possibly be.

For a 6MP loop:
doing nothing take 430 ms
assigning to a scalar variable takes 1500 ms
accessing via an index (char i of var) takes 2500 ms
incrementing via an index (char i of var) takes 5200 ms
idealized version of histogram takes 10400 ms

So even if the optimization of "dimensioned arrays" achieves everything 
it can hope for, and can access those arrays through a single index 
look-up - it will still take 10 seconds to do a histogram for an image 
of the size produced by last year's consumer cameras.

It is still, IMO, a worthwhile addition to the language, and would allow 
us to do a lot of things that are beyond pure-Transcript today but are 
less demanding than image processing. In some future combination with a 
"compileIt" optimization (and perhaps some optimizing of "repeat with" 
loops) it might stretch to cover image processing.

But honestly, image processing is a specialized area, and I think it 
might well be better served by using a specialized (already written) 
package, such as ImageMagick, or PIL, or .... either through an 
external, a command-line or process call, or via RPC-like socket 
communication.

In fact, an RPC-like mechanism would also help with the ability to take 
full advantage of multi-core or multi-CPU systems. Since the near-term 
(5-10 year) growth in PC performance is likely to come from multiple 
processors rather than faster linear CPU cycle times, anyone doing image 
processing needs to be looking at using multiple threads or multiple 
processes to gain those benefits - and so an RPC-like mechanism has a 
lot going for it ...

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From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Jul  5 09:35:27 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 14:35:27 +0100
Subject: Button leaving behind droppings
In-Reply-To: <092519ED-31DE-4824-A784-CE8DE3154ECF@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <42C9A453.7060609@tweedly.net>	<0CCBB76E-2B0A-49F6-99BE-79262059178F@lacscentre.co.uk>	<42CA7B7B.9080101@tweedly.net>
	<092519ED-31DE-4824-A784-CE8DE3154ECF@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <42CA8C9F.9000108@tweedly.net>

Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi Alex,
>
> Could not we call that an IDE worrying dysfunction dedicated to  
> programmers?
> There's a little chance to encounter this feature in any standalone  
> or even in any stack normally used :-)
>
Actually, I encountered this in  "normal" stack usage :-)   The Mac 
version of the problem (only droppings from selection handles) I might 
consider an IDE-only problem, but on WinXP it leaves behind remnants of 
the edges of the button itself, even with "Suspend Dev tools" in place.

I was thinking about the Space Invaders game mentioned by Nicholas, and 
thought I'd play for 5 minutes. The easiest way to handle the "player" 
in SI was to create a button, give it an image and have it move 
horizontally to track the mouse - and immediately I saw the problem.

OK - once I investigated it a bit, I discovered that making it not be 
the default button cured it, but it took me a little while playing with 
different option settings on the button to find that.

So it's certainly not a serious problem - but it's definitely a problem, 
and if I had been developing on a Mac, I wouldn't have known that on the 
PC an "unselected" button has this bad habit.

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From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Jul  5 09:40:11 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 14:40:11 +0100
Subject: Button leaving behind droppings
In-Reply-To: <dd2badc7029c393f0d5feda3392ea542@adelphia.net>
References: <BEF0157D.4900%ridge11103@btinternet.com>
	<dd2badc7029c393f0d5feda3392ea542@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <42CA8DBB.6070901@tweedly.net>

Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> This is only in the IDE in 'work' mode. If you switch to the 
> pointer(versus selection arrow) there are no droppings.
>
No it's not.
I think it is "IDE-only" on OSX, but on WinXP it happens all the time - 
even when I build a standalone and run that.

> Is it  a bug or an anomaly? There are many anomalies when working in 
> the 'work' part of the ide.
>
It's a bug.

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From jhurley at infostations.com  Tue Jul  5 10:06:41 2005
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 07:06:41 -0700
Subject: ANN Spring things
In-Reply-To: <20050704023904.F0CD9824D18@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050704023904.F0CD9824D18@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p06200708beee729b62dc@[69.19.167.78]>

I have been working with springs and have developed a few utilities 
which might interest others.

The iconic spring is easily described geometrically, but difficult to 
describe in terms of its Cartesian coordinates and so they are a good 
candidate for Turtle Graphics.

For some of applications, the raw coordinate geometry of Run Rev is 
much too difficult.

Included among the applications:

*How to design shock absorbers
*A commercial for Run Rev: It is revealed in the answer to the 
question: "How many programmers does it take to change a light?"
*A jack-in-the-box

In the message box:

    go stack url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/StringThings.rev"

Jim

P.S. Don't you people ever sleep? I'm having trouble keeping up with the list.



From see3d at writeme.com  Tue Jul  5 10:20:37 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 10:20:37 -0400
Subject: Making Revolution faster using dimensioned arrays
In-Reply-To: <BEEF7112.2475C%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <BEEF7112.2475C%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <2FDF5373-0987-476C-A73A-8DD1068FD329@writeme.com>

On Jul 5, 2005, at 12:04 AM, Ken Ray wrote:

> I really like this idea, Dennis, but I'm not sure I like the  
> approach to
> dimensioning, only because of Transcript's history of being able to
> interpret things as strings, even if not quoted. So is:
>
>   local myArray[100,300]="false"
>
> a boolean array, or a 5-character word array? Perhaps it's  
> acceptable to be
> more picky about this (i.e. the above would be a 5 character word  
> array),
> since we don't currently have a way of assigning a type, but I  
> think there's
> a better way. For example, using your approach, if you wanted a 25  
> character
> word array, you'd have to provide a 25-character-long string.
>
> It seems to me that the main thing is not the *type* of data, but  
> for the
> interpreter to know that there is a fixed size to array elements.  
> So perhaps
> something like:
>
>   local myArray[100,300] length 5
>
> or something like that...

Ken,

Yes, that is why I wanted to start a discussion about his before  
putting in a BZ request.  There is more than one approach to the  
syntax even though the basic idea is the same.

It might be better to separate the declaration of the variable from  
the dimension statement.  Since Transcript does not care what type or  
length a variable is when it is declared, no change would actually be  
needed to declare its scope.  That way it is easier to include the  
dimension command later with non-constant arguments --which would be  
better for resizable graphics.  There is no reason that a variable  
could not be re-dimensioned more than once --however the contents  
would get reset.

I thought that it would be just as easy to specify the type implicit  
in the data value that was used to initialize the string --fixed  
dimension arrays have every element filled except in the case of a  
string array that includes a char count which could be zero.  I don't  
think the user should have to know the exact internal format of the  
data type chosen --unless he is writing an external.  If there are  
two sizes of integer formats, then perhaps they are specified a short  
or long instead of 2 byte or 4 byte.

Having a variable length string type is another fine point.  Does it  
make sense to have a variable length string type at all, since  
Transcript is already very robust in the string area.  Perhaps it is  
sufficient to have only a fixed number of chars that are padded out  
with a "blank" char.  I could go either way, but having a char count  
for a string type would be more general and it would increase the  
number of uses.  Perhaps the length is a max of 127 or 255 characters  
--only short strings would benefit from a fixed length array.

I still have a lot of questions about how different people would use  
this type of array.  Right now, I could use over half of the types  
below in just one application that does not even use any images:

local myArray

dim myArray[ imageHeight, imageWidth ] RGBpixel=0,0,0 --how many  
image pixel formats do we need?
dim myArray[ rows, columns, pages ] realNumber=0 --do we need 32 and  
64 bit numbers?
dim myArray[ rows, columns ]  short integer=0 --do we need 8,16,32  
bit numbers?  What does Rev internally support now?
dim myArray[ rows, columns ] string=20 --length initialized to 0,  
good for short variable length strings
dim myArray[ rows, columns ] chars="abcd" --always 4 bytes long, good  
for fixed format words
dim myArray[ rows, columns, map ] boolean=0 --compact one bit logic  
arrays, bit masks


Dennis

From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Jul  5 10:29:27 2005
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 16:29:27 +0200
Subject: XML
Message-ID: <BF1899B6-3B70-466F-877A-E9F2347D3F88@major-k.de>

Hi friends,

i am currently learning XML (in Rev) and have a little question,
that could not be answered with the Rev docs...

Quote from the www3 school :-)
XML is a cross-platform (SIC!), software and hardware independent  
tool for transmitting information.

But Rev's XML is NOT?

I created a nice and simple XML document on my OS X with Sarah's  
stack (thanks a lot Sarah!!!)
and all umlauts are of course GONE when i open that file on windows  
with Rev :-/
Big fun!

Looks like the Rev external does not add an encoding header (?) like:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>  (Like Apple does...)
as exspected nor does it saves the file as UTF8 unicode, so it would  
work crossplatform :-/

Only this simple header is added:
<?xml version="1.0"?>
which is not too helpful for crossplatform compatibility.

Do I have to change the header manually? Or what can i do at all?
Any hints are very welcome!


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue Jul  5 10:29:30 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 16:29:30 +0200
Subject: ANN Spring things
In-Reply-To: <p06200708beee729b62dc@[69.19.167.78]>
References: <20050704023904.F0CD9824D18@mail.runrev.com>
	<p06200708beee729b62dc@[69.19.167.78]>
Message-ID: <71B151F2-1412-4F6E-9647-38B15A6EB200@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Jim,

Amazing!
When maths reach natural effects :-)
Thanks for your post.

Le 5 juil. 05 ? 16:06, Jim Hurley a ?crit :

> I have been working with springs and have developed a few utilities  
> which might interest others.
>
> The iconic spring is easily described geometrically, but difficult  
> to describe in terms of its Cartesian coordinates and so they are a  
> good candidate for Turtle Graphics.
>
> For some of applications, the raw coordinate geometry of Run Rev is  
> much too difficult.
>
> Included among the applications:
>
> *How to design shock absorbers
> *A commercial for Run Rev: It is revealed in the answer to the  
> question: "How many programmers does it take to change a light?"
> *A jack-in-the-box
>
> In the message box:
>
>    go stack url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/ 
> StringThings.rev"
>
> Jim
>
> P.S. Don't you people ever sleep? I'm having trouble keeping up  
> with the list.


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From jbondy at sover.net  Tue Jul  5 10:36:53 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 10:36:53 -0400
Subject: ANN Spring things
In-Reply-To: <p06200708beee729b62dc@[69.19.167.78]>
References: <20050704023904.F0CD9824D18@mail.runrev.com>
	<p06200708beee729b62dc@[69.19.167.78]>
Message-ID: <42CA9B05.4080300@sover.net>



Jim Hurley wrote:

> P.S. Don't you people ever sleep? I'm having trouble keeping up with 
> the list.


I think Rev is becoming too popular.  Maybe we need to do something 
about that!

:)

Jon


From see3d at writeme.com  Tue Jul  5 10:44:22 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 10:44:22 -0400
Subject: Making Revolution faster using dimensioned arrays
In-Reply-To: <42CA8A9A.5090904@tweedly.net>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445AC@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
	<b01496000df3c11464785da1b5f56204@writeme.com>
	<E4963214-5D66-49D9-A89C-CCAE29C78E2C@writeme.com>
	<42CA76A7.9080804@sover.net> <42CA8A9A.5090904@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <DAA2D71F-F5E0-4712-8DB2-90779686B601@writeme.com>


On Jul 5, 2005, at 9:26 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> Dennis wrote:
>
>
>> "These declared arrays would run 10 to 100 times  faster than the  
>> type-less ones for the kind of operations that are  required by  
>> image processing, AI, statistics, and many other  applications."
>>
>>
> Jon wrote:
>
>
>> Given the detailed work that Alex (?) did a week or two ago with  
>> my algorithms, I am not at all sure that your optimism is  
>> warranted.  That said, I love the idea <grin>
>>
>
>
> I too love the idea. I think it would extend the scope of pure- 
> Transcipt to cover a wide range of interesting problems. When it  
> coalesces into a solid Bugzilla enhancement request, it will get  
> quite a few of my votes.
>
> But this on its own will not make pure-Transcript feasible for  
> image processing tasks.
>
> Imagine that the engine could be incredibly fast at accessing  
> these"dimensioned arrays". We can easily benchmark to see how long  
> it would take for various assumptions about how fast it *could*  
> possibly be.
>
> For a 6MP loop:
> doing nothing take 430 ms
> assigning to a scalar variable takes 1500 ms
> accessing via an index (char i of var) takes 2500 ms
> incrementing via an index (char i of var) takes 5200 ms
> idealized version of histogram takes 10400 ms
>
> So even if the optimization of "dimensioned arrays" achieves  
> everything it can hope for, and can access those arrays through a  
> single index look-up - it will still take 10 seconds to do a  
> histogram for an image of the size produced by last year's consumer  
> cameras.
>
> It is still, IMO, a worthwhile addition to the language, and would  
> allow us to do a lot of things that are beyond pure-Transcript  
> today but are less demanding than image processing. In some future  
> combination with a "compileIt" optimization (and perhaps some  
> optimizing of "repeat with" loops) it might stretch to cover image  
> processing.
>
> But honestly, image processing is a specialized area, and I think  
> it might well be better served by using a specialized (already  
> written) package, such as ImageMagick, or PIL, or .... either  
> through an external, a command-line or process call, or via RPC- 
> like socket communication.
>
> In fact, an RPC-like mechanism would also help with the ability to  
> take full advantage of multi-core or multi-CPU systems. Since the  
> near-term (5-10 year) growth in PC performance is likely to come  
> from multiple processors rather than faster linear CPU cycle times,  
> anyone doing image processing needs to be looking at using multiple  
> threads or multiple processes to gain those benefits - and so an  
> RPC-like mechanism has a lot going for it ...

Alex, Jon,

I completely agree that this would not make Transcript into a  
PhotoShop application.  The image processing I was referring to was  
more along the lines of image manipulation that could be produced 5  
years ago by a "C" program.  In other words, Transcript is lagging  
good compiled languages by two orders of magnitude in array  
processing (not including dedicated vector processors).  That just  
means that we have to look backwards in time to what could be done  
when CPUs ran at 20 MHz.  I would like to see us get up to the 200  
MHz era for general stuff.  Specialized native commands like a  
package of array operators that approximate the capabilities of APL  
would of course improve the performance significantly, but for now I  
would just like to get over the hump of having the base functionality  
that could support better things in the future.

Having this fixed format might also make it possible to have an  
efficient way to call an external with a pointer to the array to add  
a lot of missing functionality --but this is outside my experience.

Dennis



From gefisher at mac.com  Tue Jul  5 11:13:50 2005
From: gefisher at mac.com (Glenn E. Fisher)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 10:13:50 -0500
Subject: Embedded objects in fields
Message-ID: <7b2f81834fc382d8d88e01f6d46758b7@mac.com>

On July 5, 2005 6:31:06 AM CDT Tom III wrote:
> 2 cents:
>
> I agree. It is not good moving buttons in fields or groups. It makes it
> too hard for users to develop a motor plan for those buttons. A motor
> plan is what happens during touch typing or even during walking where
> our muscles develop a plan to those activities without having to think
> about it.
>
> In fact having to think about it is what slows us down. Try to think
> about the muscles in your legs moving while walking down the stairs -
> careful because you might actually fall down. Using motor plans is the
> 'only' way to become truly proficient at using professional software.
> This is true for menus as well - constantly moving menus around make a
> user stop and then have to search for the menu and item visually.
>
> There have been hundreds of papers and years of research done on this.
> It is part of what I do for a living.
>
> I think that games might be the exception to this where movement is a
> part of the fun of the game.

Yeah, a lot of my games use this effect.  However games are not known
for adhering to the published UIGs.  :-)
>
> Tom
The Best,
Glenn
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From b.xavier at internet.lu  Tue Jul  5 11:27:32 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:27:32 +0200
Subject: ANN Spring things
In-Reply-To: <71B151F2-1412-4F6E-9647-38B15A6EB200@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <20050705152155.AC0CF82488F@mail.runrev.com>

I agree with Eric... potentialissimo!

So the spring, the ferrari colors... 
Actually makes me think that Rev can catchup to Catia...

http://www.ibm.com/catia - the runrev of car industry and manufacturers,
testers and designers.

This kind of program opens your mind just as Rev would... I like cars but
actually this program was made by Dassault (i think) who makes airplanes,
rockets, etc...

Then again, im already working on something like this with some new TAOO
extensions to come...

Jim, if you want to add some "physics" handling to TAOO you are more than
welcome! You'll be the first! TAOO will add time-based testing, universe
matrices and context situational condition stochastic simulations and the
rest ;) 

for example

Put the long name of grp Spring["frontleft"] of grp car into thisspring

coil thisspring
Uncoil thisSpring

combining it with a strut, car dampers, bushings and road
porosity/weather/humidity/aborbstion, etc... would make this
more interesting...

The real challenge now is to get the spring coiling while rolling over a
road with bumps (small sin waves). I doubt RR can handle the 10000 myriad
parts in a 5 second simulation. Nor can it do the 7000 runs with GA (genetic
algorithms) to find optimal configurations - this is what i heard  in
Stutgart a few weeks ago where a Ferarri GT testing team was doing. That
simulation took them a week on a high-end PC. Just for a springs setting! ;)

But it's not just the road and the spring. Dont forget the tyres and the
parameter zillinos pieces that come with them to interface the car to the
road ;)

So what's the point? What's the value in this? How do you see the car handle
the way you want? How do you control the testing?

http://www-306.ibm.com/software/applications/plm/catiav5/ says simply
"IA V5 is the leading product development solution for all manufacturing
organizations, from OEMs through their supply chains to small independent
producers. The range of its capabilities allows CATIA V5 to be applied in a
wide variety of industries, such as aerospace, automotive, industrial
machinery, electrical, electronics, shipbuilding, plant design, and consumer
goods, including design for such diverse products as jewelry and clothing."

Catia is a complicated beast. Rev is not maybe? That depends on us the
developpers. And for Rev it would be easy to control Catia - I tell you this
because it's the same way i've adapted MC to manage a large NT network. How
i've kind of mastered a way to make software work for any subject any
time...

But knowing how the spring works is where it's at all the time! If Rev
doesn't know how a spring should work then there's little chance that Rev
can "efficiently" control Catia to find an optimum spring choice. The more
we teach Rev how to make it available easily is the way to do that... So
Jim, there's your invitation for a PPU module in TAOO/Rev/MC... Physic
Processing Unit's a the next GPUs of the trade. That was G for graphics if
you're not HW graphic card aware... Without these, simulators like GTR
wouldn't be so totally realistic. The point is that TAOO should be able to
bring in this context oriented "knowledge and intelligence" to the user. 

get iscoiled(thespring)

I tried to do some optimization tests with RunRev with NN and
BestFitPermutations (1-2D only) and forget it - without serious array
transforms in terms of speed, speedier loop executions and better cpu usage
(on x86 at least), Rev remains slow - and it's not the user handling stuff -
as usual. 

A compiler is needed in my best of professional opinion to reach a quarter
of the power of Catia - the parallels are interesting... If Rev wants to
become Enterprise candy, then it should provide the power power-users will
demand of it sooner or later... 

In the best fit problem i created some time ago, the speed to get the
solution depended on the number of items you want to mix and beyond 8 items
to combine into a best fit function which took already long minutes, 9 items
jumped to over an hour long... 

just 2 cents on the line of thought today...

I going galactic with Rev now ;)

cheers
Xav

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Eric Chatonet
> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 16:30
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: ANN Spring things
> 
> Hi Jim,
> 
> Amazing!
> When maths reach natural effects :-)
> Thanks for your post.
> 
> Le 5 juil. 05 ? 16:06, Jim Hurley a ?crit :
> 
> > I have been working with springs and have developed a few utilities 
> > which might interest others.
> >
> > The iconic spring is easily described geometrically, but 
> difficult to 
> > describe in terms of its Cartesian coordinates and so they 
> are a good 
> > candidate for Turtle Graphics.
> >
> > For some of applications, the raw coordinate geometry of Run Rev is 
> > much too difficult.
> >
> > Included among the applications:
> >
> > *How to design shock absorbers
> > *A commercial for Run Rev: It is revealed in the answer to the
> > question: "How many programmers does it take to change a light?"
> > *A jack-in-the-box
> >
> > In the message box:
> >
> >    go stack url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/
> > StringThings.rev"
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > P.S. Don't you people ever sleep? I'm having trouble 
> keeping up with 
> > the list.
> 
> 
> Best Regards from Paris,
> 
> Eric Chatonet.
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From ridge11103 at btinternet.com  Tue Jul  5 11:28:33 2005
From: ridge11103 at btinternet.com (John Ridge)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 16:28:33 +0100
Subject: Button leaving behind droppings
In-Reply-To: <42CA7C3D.8080006@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <BEF065B1.4928%ridge11103@btinternet.com>

on 5/7/05 1:25 pm,  Alex Tweedly wrote :

No. You never say anything about erasing at the old location (in fact, I
don't know if there is any way to do that). To change the location of an
object you set its location - and it disappears from the old location
and appears at the new one. Nothing else needed.
*************************************

I see what you mean. I've also tried

set the loc of button "button" to the mouseLoc

as a mouseUp handler in a field with lockText set to true. Clicking outside
the field clears the droppings, but repeated clicks within the field leave
two edges behind... I wondered if it was something to do with mouseMove -
but it ain't!

I'll look at your BZ
John
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue Jul  5 11:38:00 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:38:00 +0200
Subject: [ANN][EN][FR] Stacks Picker 1.1 and Encoded Text Picker 1.1
Message-ID: <AA74E934-061D-4558-848B-32D98EF44AB2@sosmartsoftware.com>

Paris, Mon, 5 Jul 2005 17:40:00 +0100

---------------------- English version -------------------------

Hello,

So Smart Software has the pleasure of announcing the availability of  
2 updated freeware plugins for DreamCard/Revolution you can dowload  
from my web-site:

Stacks Picker 1.1

Category:
Working environment
Description:
Stacks Picker lets you organize stacks in sets: with just one mouse- 
click, you open, close, start using, etc. any stack or a whole set at  
once.
Stacks Picker makes switching between several working environments easy.
Many options: sets accumulation or exclusive behaviour, launching at  
startup, etc.
Bilingual help (English/French) included.
Identical appearance on all platforms.

Encoded Text Picker 1.1

Category:
HTML and URLencode translator
Description:
Ability to translate both to and from HTML and/or URLEncode.
Integrated search and replace features (including tab and return.)
Ability to determine text style and color. Copy function.
Bilingual help (English/French) included.
Identical appearance on all platforms.

Enjoy,
Best regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.


--------------------- Version fran?aise ------------------------

Bonjour,

So Smart Software a le plaisir d'annoncer la disponibilit? de 2 mises  
? jour de plugins pour DreamCard/Revolution que vous pouvez  
t?l?charger librement depuis mon site :
Comment redimensionner le contenu d'une fen?tre

Stacks Picker 1.1

Cat?gorie:
Environnement de travail
Description:
Stacks Picker permet d'un seul clic d'ouvrir, fermer, mettre en  
service, etc. un nombre quelconque de piles organis?es en jeux.
Pour chaque pile, choix entre la mise ? disposition, l'ouverture, la  
mise en service, auto ou manuelles, etc.
Options d'exclusion ou de cumul des jeux entre eux, de lancement auto  
au d==
E9marrage, etc.
Pile d'aide bilingue (fran?ais/anglais) incluse.
Apparence identique sur toutes les plate-formes.

Encoded Text Picker 1.1

Cat?gorie:
Traducteur HTML et URLEncode
Description:
Traduction en tous sens depuis et vers les encodages HTML et URLEncode
Recherche/remplacement int?gr?e (y compris tab et return).
Commandes de style et de couleur du texte. Fonction copie.
Pile d'aide bilingue (fran?ais/anglais) incluse.
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Jul  5 12:01:42 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 09:01:42 -0700
Subject: [Bug 2813] High Speed Array Subprocessor instruction extensions
In-Reply-To: <p06210201beefc954e7c5@[192\.168\.1\.100]>
References: <20050704212835.22CFDBCCD04@www.runrev.com>
	<p06210201beefc954e7c5@[192.168.1.100]>
Message-ID: <361937265.20050705090142@ahsoftware.net>

Stephen-

Monday, July 4, 2005, 10:23:01 PM, you wrote:

SB> This is where OPTIONAL 'typing' would be very, very useful.

That's Bugzilla #2783...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Jul  5 12:05:16 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 11:05:16 -0500
Subject: Parameter checking
In-Reply-To: <B0566835-047E-4A36-93E2-8B520E68A4F4@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BEF019EC.248CF%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 7/5/05 5:07 AM, "Dave Cragg" <dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk> wrote:

> 
> On 5 Jul 2005, at 03:21, Ken Ray wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> So, for example, if you are checking to see if p1 is between A and
>> P (case
>> insensitive), you can do this:
>> 
>>   if not matchText(p1,"(?i)[A-P]") then exit to top
>> 
>> OR this:
>> 
>>   if not matchText(p1,"[A-Pa-p]") then exit to top
> 
> Ken, I think you need to make it like this:
> 
>    if not matchText(p1,"^[A-Pa-p]$") then exit to top
> 
> 
> Otherwise it will match strings that contain the target character,
> which I don't think is what Sarah wants.

Well, she said the only one letter would be passed as a parameter, so I
didn't feel I needed ^ or $, but you're right... if the needs change and it
becomes more than one character, it will be necessary to add those, and in
fact it would have been better to have them on in the first place so no code
changes need to be made if the params change.

Good catch, Dave!

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com




From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue Jul  5 12:05:40 2005
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 09:05:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Embedded objects in fields
In-Reply-To: <1f0078a3d03a1e4d8972d4743cfda003@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507050855520.22116-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Yes, and one of my favorites to use in teaching is "The Art of the
Obvious" (Lind, Johnson & Sandblad, CHI 1992).

While it is largely concerned with "automatically processed components of
the task of reading frequently used documents", the authors contend that
their findings suggest "implications for task analysis and interface
design".

Specifically, they (and others) have posited that one of the very few
visual attributes that humans always automatically (without additional
conscious processing or thought) register is location.

Thus, scrolling buttons =  requires higher-level brain function and this
does not making using an interface analogous to the eventual functional
automaticity of, say, driving a car.

Fascinating read; if anyone's interested, I can email you the PDF.
Basically, their experimental design was to take hospital and other
medical charts, remove the higher-level data (numbers and specific
letters) and replace them all with XXXs in an emergency room context to
see if/how the doctors could still roughly review the "information" for
rapid diagnoses ... and... they could because they were familiar with the
layout of the various forms and knew what the presence (or absence) of
those XXXs in specific locations could signify.

Judy

On Tue, 5 Jul 2005, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> I agree. It is not good moving buttons in fields or groups. It makes it
> too hard for users to develop a motor plan for those buttons. A motor
> plan is what happens during touch typing or even during walking where
> our muscles develop a plan to those activities without having to think
> about it.
>
<snip>

> There have been hundreds of papers and years of research done on this.



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Jul  5 12:09:35 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 09:09:35 -0700
Subject: ANN Spring things
In-Reply-To: <p06200708beee729b62dc@[69\.19\.167\.78]>
References: <20050704023904.F0CD9824D18@mail.runrev.com>
	<p06200708beee729b62dc@[69.19.167.78]>
Message-ID: <1402410506.20050705090935@ahsoftware.net>

Jim-

Tuesday, July 5, 2005, 7:06:41 AM, you wrote:

JH> P.S. Don't you people ever sleep? I'm having trouble keeping up with the list.

...sleep is overrated...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Jul  5 12:08:59 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 11:08:59 -0500
Subject: Making Revolution faster using dimensioned arrays
In-Reply-To: <2FDF5373-0987-476C-A73A-8DD1068FD329@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <BEF01ACB.248EF%kray@sonsothunder.com>


> Having a variable length string type is another fine point.  Does it
> make sense to have a variable length string type at all, since
> Transcript is already very robust in the string area.  Perhaps it is
> sufficient to have only a fixed number of chars that are padded out
> with a "blank" char.  I could go either way, but having a char count
> for a string type would be more general and it would increase the
> number of uses.  Perhaps the length is a max of 127 or 255 characters
> --only short strings would benefit from a fixed length array.

Good questions - I think Mark Waddingham's going to have to weigh in here to
let us know exactly how Rev stores/manages arrays for us to go too much
farther other than to declare dimensioning syntax.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Tue Jul  5 12:10:18 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 12:10:18 -0400
Subject: Embedded objects in fields
In-Reply-To: <d09dbc5453ee529b1d44cd868a63fd3b@adelphia.net>
References: <web-333934758@mail.maclaunch.com>
	<B3889E07-B763-4ACE-B314-2953EB6EDBDC@conncoll.edu>
	<2EEFF1F1-D9E8-478A-8B05-90F00CAE35D2@danshafer.com>
	<1f0078a3d03a1e4d8972d4743cfda003@adelphia.net>
	<8DE4AD58-135D-47C2-BF3B-1D955FF8221E@conncoll.edu>
	<d09dbc5453ee529b1d44cd868a63fd3b@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <3745DB90-2B95-4E32-923D-836AFDD0692E@conncoll.edu>

I'll love to see it finished too . . . It may be a while; it's got  
*lots* of finicky little pieces.


On Jul 5, 2005, at 8:43 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> I would love to see your stack when finished.
>
> GL
>

Charles Hartman
Professor of English, Poet in Residence
Connecticut College
charles.hartman at conncoll.edu
*the Scandroid* is at cherry.conncoll.edu/cohar/Programs







From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Jul  5 12:10:33 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 11:10:33 -0500
Subject: XML
In-Reply-To: <BF1899B6-3B70-466F-877A-E9F2347D3F88@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <BEF01B29.248F0%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 7/5/05 9:29 AM, "Klaus Major" <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:

> Looks like the Rev external does not add an encoding header (?) like:
> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>  (Like Apple does...)
> as exspected nor does it saves the file as UTF8 unicode, so it would
> work crossplatform :-/
> 
> Only this simple header is added:
> <?xml version="1.0"?>
> which is not too helpful for crossplatform compatibility.
> 
> Do I have to change the header manually? Or what can i do at all?
> Any hints are very welcome!

I think you'd have to change the header manually - I don't know if you can
have the Rev XML handler make that happen.


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Jul  5 12:12:49 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 09:12:49 -0700
Subject: Scripting conference Groups stack uploaded
In-Reply-To: <42C9E1C9.7050205@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <42C9BFD7.8060006@hyperactivesw.com>
	<FF652025-DF97-4A55-9C94-0B3EF36C0575@genesearch.com.au>
	<42C9E1C9.7050205@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <1042603944.20050705091249@ahsoftware.net>

Jacque-

Monday, July 4, 2005, 6:26:33 PM, you wrote:

JLG> I am curious to know if this works for all time zones everywhere. For
JLG> those who want to try it, run this in the message box:

JLG>    get "1120924800";convert it to short date and time;put it

This is great. Can you get this added to the web page?
BTW: gives me 9AM PDT.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue Jul  5 12:11:58 2005
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 09:11:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Embedded objects in fields
In-Reply-To: <8DE4AD58-135D-47C2-BF3B-1D955FF8221E@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507050906130.22116-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Not if Lind, Johnson & Sandblad are correct.

In fact, I rmember being in a situation many moons ago in which I was
failing a third semester calculus class (working my way up from an "F" to
a hoped-for "C").

As I had eventually noticed that my instructor tended to just take exam
problems that were in the text, I all but memorized the textbook and, when
the final exam (which I aced!) arrived, as I saw each problem, I could
pretty much tell you the following about it  with relationship to the
textbook:

*roughly where in the text it was
*whether it was on the left page or the right page
*whether it was near the top, middle, or bottom
*what color ink it was in.

Part of what makes books (Rev and Dan: are you listening???) more usable
than online docs is that, over 600 years or so, we have developed layout
and organizational conventions for books that allow us to use them more
effectively because we can automatically process some of the task
components of reading.

BTW, I love HCI threads!

Judy

On Tue, 5 Jul 2005, Charles Hartman wrote:

> Yes, but couldn't it be argued that in this sense a tutorial app --
> in effect, just a slicker & thinner alternative to a textbook -- has
> requirements-on-the-user's-attention different from a normal,
> "productive" app? Even *opposite* requirements? Slow 'em down! Block
> that skimming! OK, I know it isn't as simple (or as complicated?) as
> that . . . I just keep remembering Einstein, Things should be as
> simple as possible, and no simpler. But I didn't mean to start a UI
> or HIG thread.



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Jul  5 12:19:42 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 11:19:42 -0500
Subject: insert text at cursor
In-Reply-To: <1120560133.42ca6405127ee@webmail.armbase.com>
Message-ID: <BEF01D4E.24900%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 7/5/05 5:42 AM, "rev at armbase.com" <rev at armbase.com> wrote:

> Hi All.
> 
> I cant find the answer to this on in the docs or list archive.
> 
> I can use a button and revgourl to go to my webmail page and the cursor is in
> the first field, however, I would like to paste in the username at the cursor
> and tab to the next field to enter a password.
> 
> I tried the first step to launch the browser and go to the page. The cursor is
> ther but all attempts to add a line into the script that adds text at the
> cursor have failed.
> 
> The docs naturally concentrate on inserting text etc in a stack field.
> 
> Any ideas, or is this even possible?

Well, it *might* be possible, but it won't be easy. It's not as simple as
"put <x> into web page field <y>". If you are filling in a form on the
webmail page, it is possible that the page you go to might be a CGI - if it
is, you might be able to pass parameters to it so that when you go there the
field is filled in. (You can tell if it uses a CGI by looking at the
resulting URL after you manually go to the browser page - if the location
string in the address bar includes something like .cgi or .asp or .php,
followed by a "?" and a series of parameters fomatted as "param=value", then
it uses a CGI.)

If it doesn't use a CGI, you still may be able to put your data into the
field by automating the browser from the outside through AppleScript, VB
Script, etc., although most browsers are pretty "dumb" where that stuff's
concerned.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jul  5 12:21:18 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 09:21:18 -0700
Subject: Where are my sub-menus?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507042229060.11741-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507042229060.11741-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <42CAB37E.2060402@fourthworld.com>

Judy Perry wrote:

 > On Mon, 4 Jul 2005, Jon wrote:
 >
 >> It reminds me of the recent Windows (XP?) feature where menu
 >> entries disappear if you don't use them enough.  I disable
 >> this on every system I encounter.
 >
 > Raskin would be horrified.

So would the authors of the Microsoft Human Interface Guidelines.

What application and which of its menu items do this?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jul  5 12:24:09 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 09:24:09 -0700
Subject: PDFs in QT Player -- Hot Links Challenge
In-Reply-To: <0BBC581C-EFF4-42E8-B1B2-B819CB3197DB@hindu.org>
References: <D211AB38-28A0-459B-97A4-CED2F9EE8851@hindu.org>	<54045D89-171B-41A1-A3CD-88059E824AC1@danshafer.com>	<42C9A7CF.2040400@fourthworld.com>
	<0BBC581C-EFF4-42E8-B1B2-B819CB3197DB@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <42CAB429.4070800@fourthworld.com>

Sivakatirswami wrote:
> Aiyo! (Lamentations)
> 
>  Windows won't play PDFs in QT...
> 
>  Richard: did that windows machine have QT 7 for Windows loaded?
> 
> I'm sure you know this already but Apple just released QT with H.264  
> format capabilities for Windows just a few weeks ago... so I just  
> wanted to check if this was happening in the latest QT,

I haven't the foggiest.  What is "H.264" and what happens when you try 
it with QT 7 on Win?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Jul  5 12:44:34 2005
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 18:44:34 +0200
Subject: PDFs in QT Player -- Hot Links Challenge
In-Reply-To: <42CAB429.4070800@fourthworld.com>
References: <D211AB38-28A0-459B-97A4-CED2F9EE8851@hindu.org>	<54045D89-171B-41A1-A3CD-88059E824AC1@danshafer.com>	<42C9A7CF.2040400@fourthworld.com>
	<0BBC581C-EFF4-42E8-B1B2-B819CB3197DB@hindu.org>
	<42CAB429.4070800@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <24EB4E89-86AE-46AB-B4B7-A013B018AEA2@major-k.de>

Hi Richard,

> Sivakatirswami wrote:
>
>> Aiyo! (Lamentations)
>>  Windows won't play PDFs in QT...
>>  Richard: did that windows machine have QT 7 for Windows loaded?
>> I'm sure you know this already but Apple just released QT with H. 
>> 264  format capabilities for Windows just a few weeks ago... so I  
>> just  wanted to check if this was happening in the latest QT,
>>
>
> I haven't the foggiest.  What is "H.264"

well this is exactly ONE more than "H.263" :-D

Actually this is a video codec.
But Apple only released a TEST version of QT 7 for Windows until today!

> and what happens when you try it with QT 7 on Win?

No idea, but this thread was about displaying PDF in a player, so
i don't think that this will work on windows even with QT 7.

> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation
>  ___________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Jul  5 12:46:07 2005
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 18:46:07 +0200
Subject: XML
In-Reply-To: <BEF01B29.248F0%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <BEF01B29.248F0%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <63557770-0CEF-4EAA-868B-EF37D3C5F388@major-k.de>

Hi Ken,

> On 7/5/05 9:29 AM, "Klaus Major" <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:
>> Looks like the Rev external does not add an encoding header (?) like:
>> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>  (Like Apple does...)
>> as exspected nor does it saves the file as UTF8 unicode, so it would
>> work crossplatform :-/
>>
>> Only this simple header is added:
>> <?xml version="1.0"?>
>> which is not too helpful for crossplatform compatibility.
>>
>> Do I have to change the header manually? Or what can i do at all?
>> Any hints are very welcome!
>>
>
> I think you'd have to change the header manually - I don't know if  
> you can
> have the Rev XML handler make that happen.

thanks, i was afraid of that.

So much for standards... ;-)

> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From jbondy at sover.net  Tue Jul  5 12:42:37 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 12:42:37 -0400
Subject: Where are my sub-menus?
In-Reply-To: <42CAB37E.2060402@fourthworld.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507042229060.11741-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<42CAB37E.2060402@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <42CAB87D.5030501@sover.net>

"What application and which of its menu items do this?"

Well, the OS, for one.  The feature is called Personalized Menus.  The 
doc says "Personalized Menus keeps the Programs menu clean by hiding 
items you haven't used recently, while still keeping other programs 
easily accessible.  You can gain access to hidden programs by clicking 
the down arrow at the bottom of the Programs menu".  Similar "features" 
are provided with other MS products, like Office.

Yetch.  Bletch.  Yuck. Good for  casual users, but death to anyone with 
decent reflexes and physical memory.

:)

Jon


Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Judy Perry wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 4 Jul 2005, Jon wrote:
> >
> >> It reminds me of the recent Windows (XP?) feature where menu
> >> entries disappear if you don't use them enough.  I disable
> >> this on every system I encounter.
> >
> > Raskin would be horrified.
>
> So would the authors of the Microsoft Human Interface Guidelines.
>
> What application and which of its menu items do this?
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal
>  _______________________________________________________
>  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com
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From jhurley at infostations.com  Tue Jul  5 12:53:37 2005
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 09:53:37 -0700
Subject: ANN Spring things
In-Reply-To: <20050705160644.8567E824D36@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050705160644.8567E824D36@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p06200704bef0672d4582@[69.85.136.153]>

>
>Message: 7
>Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:27:32 +0200
>From: "MisterX" <b.xavier at internet.lu>
>Subject: RE: ANN Spring things
>To: "'How to use Revolution'" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>Message-ID: <20050705152155.AC0CF82488F at mail.runrev.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>(snip)
>
>So what's the point? What's the value in this? How do you see the car handle
>the way you want? How do you control the testing?
>(snip)


Xavier,

Whew! Too much for me. I can only handle the springs. The rest of the 
car is up to the engineers. :-)
(There is a good deal more physics at Run Rev's web site: 
http://downloads.runrev.com/stacks_apps/turtlegraphics.php )

Jim


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jul  5 13:05:07 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 10:05:07 -0700
Subject: Where are my sub-menus?
In-Reply-To: <42CAB87D.5030501@sover.net>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507042229060.11741-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>	<42CAB37E.2060402@fourthworld.com>
	<42CAB87D.5030501@sover.net>
Message-ID: <42CABDC3.4080206@fourthworld.com>

Jon wrote:
> "What application and which of its menu items do this?"
> 
> Well, the OS, for one.  The feature is called Personalized Menus.  The 
> doc says "Personalized Menus keeps the Programs menu clean by hiding 
> items you haven't used recently, while still keeping other programs 
> easily accessible.  You can gain access to hidden programs by clicking 
> the down arrow at the bottom of the Programs menu".  Similar "features" 
> are provided with other MS products, like Office.
> 
> Yetch.  Bletch.  Yuck. Good for  casual users, but death to anyone with 
> decent reflexes and physical memory.

Ah, I see.  It's not like this is happening with normal application 
menus; the Start menu is a special case.

I can see arguments both ways.  It would be good to read the research 
behind the decision, but alas no major OS vendor publishes their HI 
research anymore (it's a different world than when Tog worked at Apple).

My opinion: all OS features must be presumed to be driven by marketing, 
CEO whim, or other counter-productive source until the vendor publishes 
the rationale behind the decision.  With the "why", the "what" must 
remain suspect.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From douggilliland at gmail.com  Tue Jul  5 13:10:14 2005
From: douggilliland at gmail.com (Douglas Gilliland)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 13:10:14 -0400
Subject: Multiple Choice Editor stack
Message-ID: <890e3d2605070510107e52b2ff@mail.gmail.com>

As a Dreamcard newbe I am going through the tutorial movies on the web
site. I've authored two programs for my high school Chemistry students
and would now like to construct some quizzes that go along with the
programs.

I viewed the Multiple Choice Quiz movie but can't find the stacks that
the movie makes reference to. Searched the Dreamcard folder, my HD and
the Revolution site but no go.
Anyone tell me where I can find the multiple choice editor sample stack?
Thanks,
Doug Gilliland


From ridge11103 at btinternet.com  Tue Jul  5 13:11:06 2005
From: ridge11103 at btinternet.com (John Ridge)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 18:11:06 +0100
Subject: [ANN][EN][FR] Stacks Picker 1.1 and Encoded Text Picker 1.1
In-Reply-To: <AA74E934-061D-4558-848B-32D98EF44AB2@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <BEF07DBA.493E%ridge11103@btinternet.com>

Eric,

I *love* the encoded text picker - I have too many thumbs to type HTML
otherwise! 

You know the acronym WIBNI? "Wouldn't It Be Nice If..." - something the
developer really doesn't want to hear - but WIBNI you allowed also in
plain-> HTML (does it make sense for URLencode?) the option to change font
size and to select the font... And the fonts could (optionally?) be limited
to a list of "approved" cross-platform fonts.

Thanks again
John 


From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Jul  5 13:34:09 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 18:34:09 +0100
Subject: Multiple Choice Editor stack
In-Reply-To: <890e3d2605070510107e52b2ff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <890e3d2605070510107e52b2ff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42CAC491.6060104@tweedly.net>

Douglas Gilliland wrote:

>As a Dreamcard newbe I am going through the tutorial movies on the web
>site. I've authored two programs for my high school Chemistry students
>and would now like to construct some quizzes that go along with the
>programs.
>
>I viewed the Multiple Choice Quiz movie but can't find the stacks that
>the movie makes reference to. Searched the Dreamcard folder, my HD and
>the Revolution site but no go.
>Anyone tell me where I can find the multiple choice editor sample stack?
>  
>
RevOnline  /  Learning Centre   /   Sample Work  /  Sample Projects   
/   Sample Projects ....
and it's 2/3 of the way down the first page of samples

-- 
Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net



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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Jul  5 13:40:35 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 10:40:35 -0700
Subject: Where are my sub-menus?
In-Reply-To: <42CAB87D.5030501@sover.net>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507042229060.11741-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<42CAB37E.2060402@fourthworld.com> <42CAB87D.5030501@sover.net>
Message-ID: <127869706.20050705104035@ahsoftware.net>

Jon-

Tuesday, July 5, 2005, 9:42:37 AM, you wrote:

J> Well, the OS, for one.  The feature is called Personalized Menus.  The
J> doc says "Personalized Menus keeps the Programs menu clean by hiding
J> items you haven't used recently, while still keeping other programs
J> easily accessible.  You can gain access to hidden programs by clicking
J> the down arrow at the bottom of the Programs menu".  Similar "features"
J> are provided with other MS products, like Office.

Worse yet, this is the *default* setting.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Tue Jul  5 14:02:43 2005
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 13:02:43 -0500
Subject: [Bug 2813] High Speed Array Subprocessor instruction extensions
In-Reply-To: <361937265.20050705090142@ahsoftware.net>
References: <20050704212835.22CFDBCCD04@www.runrev.com>
	<p06210201beefc954e7c5@[192.168.1.100]>
	<361937265.20050705090142@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <p06210200bef07bac2721@[192.168.1.7]>

I just VOTED. thanks


>Stephen-
>
>Monday, July 4, 2005, 10:23:01 PM, you wrote:
>
>SB> This is where OPTIONAL 'typing' would be very, very useful.
>
>That's Bugzilla #2783...
>
>--
>-Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Tue Jul  5 14:04:30 2005
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 13:04:30 -0500
Subject: sleep
In-Reply-To: <1402410506.20050705090935@ahsoftware.net>
References: <20050704023904.F0CD9824D18@mail.runrev.com>
	<p06200708beee729b62dc@[69.19.167.78]>
	<1402410506.20050705090935@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <p06210201bef07bfc39d6@[192.168.1.7]>

Us older guys do 'power naps'... heh heh

sqb

>Jim-
>
>Tuesday, July 5, 2005, 7:06:41 AM, you wrote:
>
>JH> P.S. Don't you people ever sleep? I'm having trouble keeping up 
>with the list.
>
>...sleep is overrated...
>
>--
>-Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Tue Jul  5 14:13:14 2005
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 13:13:14 -0500
Subject: Message to Listmom: a couple of blank lines after list text.
In-Reply-To: <42CAB429.4070800@fourthworld.com>
References: <D211AB38-28A0-459B-97A4-CED2F9EE8851@hindu.org>
	<54045D89-171B-41A1-A3CD-88059E824AC1@danshafer.com>
	<42C9A7CF.2040400@fourthworld.com>
	<0BBC581C-EFF4-42E8-B1B2-B819CB3197DB@hindu.org>
	<42CAB429.4070800@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <p06210202bef07ce16f66@[192.168.1.100]>

Just a little annoyance, but I've noticed that since Rev has changed 
web providers that their footers are exactly on the next line after 
the last line after the message. (note example below) This has led to 
confusion (at least for me) as it appears that the footer is part of 
the message it contains. Would it be possible to have a blank line 
and some kind of separator in the footer - it would make the posts 
easier to read and skim.



>I haven't the foggiest.  What is "H.264" and what happens when you 
>try it with QT 7 on Win?
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<---------here is my last line of msg----sqb----------->


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Tue Jul  5 14:21:02 2005
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 13:21:02 -0500
Subject: Message to Listmom: a couple of blank lines after list text.
In-Reply-To: <p06210202bef07ce16f66@[192.168.1.100]>
References: <D211AB38-28A0-459B-97A4-CED2F9EE8851@hindu.org>
	<54045D89-171B-41A1-A3CD-88059E824AC1@danshafer.com>
	<42C9A7CF.2040400@fourthworld.com>
	<0BBC581C-EFF4-42E8-B1B2-B819CB3197DB@hindu.org>
	<42CAB429.4070800@fourthworld.com>
	<p06210202bef07ce16f66@[192.168.1.100]>
Message-ID: <p06210204bef07f8b0f45@[192.168.1.100]>

As if to prove me wrong... the listserv just did what I requested. It 
appears to be intermittent with this feature....

>
><---------here is my last line of msg----sqb----------->
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this is a last line of text without dashes.




From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue Jul  5 15:12:25 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 21:12:25 +0200
Subject: [ANN][EN][FR] Stacks Picker 1.1 and Encoded Text Picker 1.1
In-Reply-To: <BEF07DBA.493E%ridge11103@btinternet.com>
References: <BEF07DBA.493E%ridge11103@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <33B8B41C-89AF-400A-A45E-292F8877572A@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi John,

The new version of Encoded Text Picker allows to use the Text menu of  
Revolution.
But may be it's not enough :-)
As I am always fond of new features coming from users feedback (the  
best ones), I shall implement this request and let all know shortly :-)
Thanks for your interest about my work.

Le 5 juil. 05 ? 19:11, John Ridge a ?crit :

> I *love* the encoded text picker - I have too many thumbs to type HTML
> otherwise!
> You know the acronym WIBNI? "Wouldn't It Be Nice If..." - something  
> the
> developer really doesn't want to hear - but WIBNI you allowed also in
> plain-> HTML (does it make sense for URLencode?) the option to  
> change font
> size and to select the font... And the fonts could (optionally?) be  
> limited
> to a list of "approved" cross-platform fonts.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Tue Jul  5 15:37:26 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:37:26 -0400
Subject: Embedded objects in fields
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507050855520.22116-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507050855520.22116-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <9BA415E5-2920-4A94-A536-4E391371CC82@conncoll.edu>

Sure -- though this is exactly not (if not _exactly_ the opposite of)  
the tutorial situation I'm talking about. That is: if the  
*abstruseness* of some information is part of the point of that  
information, doesn't an interface for getting at it that makes the  
path to it *not* automatic reinforce the point of the information?

A huge percentage of what we do on computers isn't like this; early  
interfaces were bad because they made everything obscure including  
the 95% that shouldn't be. All the UI guidelines are ways of making  
designers conscious of that & so correcting it. My point is that,  
while doing clerical work on a computer (which is most of what most  
people use programs for -- from email to w.p. to googling) shouldn't  
make any extra, irrelevant demands on users' attention, I don't  
believe that applies to everything people do on computers.


On Jul 5, 2005, at 12:05 PM, Judy Perry wrote:

> Yes, and one of my favorites to use in teaching is "The Art of the
> Obvious" (Lind, Johnson & Sandblad, CHI 1992).
>
> While it is largely concerned with "automatically processed  
> components of
> the task of reading frequently used documents", the authors contend  
> that
> their findings suggest "implications for task analysis and interface
> design".
>
> Specifically, they (and others) have posited that one of the very few
> visual attributes that humans always automatically (without additional
> conscious processing or thought) register is location.
>
> Thus, scrolling buttons =  requires higher-level brain function and  
> this
> does not making using an interface analogous to the eventual  
> functional
> automaticity of, say, driving a car.
>
> Fascinating read; if anyone's interested, I can email you the PDF.
> Basically, their experimental design was to take hospital and other
> medical charts, remove the higher-level data (numbers and specific
> letters) and replace them all with XXXs in an emergency room  
> context to
> see if/how the doctors could still roughly review the "information"  
> for
> rapid diagnoses ... and... they could because they were familiar  
> with the
> layout of the various forms and knew what the presence (or absence) of
> those XXXs in specific locations could signify.
>
> Judy
>
> On Tue, 5 Jul 2005, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>
>
>> I agree. It is not good moving buttons in fields or groups. It  
>> makes it
>> too hard for users to develop a motor plan for those buttons. A motor
>> plan is what happens during touch typing or even during walking where
>> our muscles develop a plan to those activities without having to  
>> think
>> about it.
>>
>>
> <snip>
>
>
>> There have been hundreds of papers and years of research done on  
>> this.
>>
>
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From see3d at writeme.com  Tue Jul  5 15:59:32 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 15:59:32 -0400
Subject: Stack Level Local/Globals
In-Reply-To: <D5140051-EEFA-466A-9DEB-A6DCFAB0916F@writeme.com>
References: <D5140051-EEFA-466A-9DEB-A6DCFAB0916F@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <A689EA87-A2FF-4457-B02B-254844953F0C@writeme.com>

Ok folks,

I posted the following BZ for the stack level variables.  Vote for it  
if you want it.

Dennis

------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
-------------
http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2975

            Summary: Stack scope variable declarations
            Product: Revolution
            Version: 2.6
           Platform: All
         OS/Version: All
             Status: UNCONFIRMED
           Severity: enhancement
           Priority: P2
          Component: Transcript Language
         AssignedTo: engineteam at runrev.com
         ReportedBy: see3d at writeme.com
          QAContact: enginebugs at lists.runrev.com


The stack scope variable (I am not sure what it should be called)  
just has the
scope of a single main-stack and sub-stacks.  This means that I could  
assign
"global" names to a project without having to take into consideration  
global names
that may have been used by someone else.  This seems like the missing  
scope piece
that would simply solve many problems.  It was not my idea  
originally, but I just
seems right.

Global variable = Scope across all stacks --are a pain to use because  
the scope is
too broad so they need special naming conventions.  They are all  
right for a stand
alone, but DreamCard users don't make stand alones and run in the  
IDE.  Loading
several stacks at the same time is not unusual, but the potential for  
global
conflicts is great and a pain to debug.  Tool makers also have to  
deal with this problem.

Stack scope variable =  Scope across sub-stacks --this is the missing  
scope that
could replace globals in most situations.  The stack variable would  
not conflict
with any other mainstack projects in memory.

Dennis

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From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Tue Jul  5 16:34:17 2005
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 21:34:17 +0100
Subject: Help!!! Lost Some Stack Data
In-Reply-To: <A689EA87-A2FF-4457-B02B-254844953F0C@writeme.com>
References: <D5140051-EEFA-466A-9DEB-A6DCFAB0916F@writeme.com>
	<A689EA87-A2FF-4457-B02B-254844953F0C@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <a05210600bef09ec6d586@[192.168.80.101]>

Hi,

I just opened a .rev stack and a major object group that I have been 
working on has disappeared! I really don't fancy putting it all in 
again! I do have a Standalone that had the missing group in to, is 
there anyway to retreive this from the Standalone so I can put it 
back into a .rev file???

Thanks in advance
Dave



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jul  5 16:50:16 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 15:50:16 -0500
Subject: Scripting conference Groups stack uploaded
In-Reply-To: <BEF02352.18070%rstace@uow.edu.au>
References: <BEF02352.18070%rstace@uow.edu.au>
Message-ID: <42CAF288.1020203@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/4/05 8:45 PM, Ray Stace wrote:

> Returns 7/10/05 2:00 AM in the time zone for Sydney Australia.
> Might not get many 'live' participants at that time ;)?

Unfortuntely, that's the right time for the Aussies. Actually, everyone 
who has reported in about the seconds conversion has given the right 
time, which I have to say is pretty neat. I will start announcing future 
conference times in seconds from now on, I think.

We tried really hard to find a conference time that would accomodate 
everyone all around the world. It proved impossible, largely because we 
couldn't figure out a way to prevent the earth from rotating. So to fix 
this problem, I am working on a little stack called "TimeWarpGadget". 
This stack, when completed, will allow you to stop time and attend the 
conference at your leisure.

I confess that progress has been very slow. Every time I set a 
breakpoint, I drop into the debugger an hour before I started and the 
script I'm debugging hasn't been written yet. As soon as I solve this 
little glitch, I'll be looking for testers.


> On 5/7/05 11:26 AM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>>What a great idea. It is no surprise it comes from the lady who will be
>>doing the conference on dates and times. Okay, the next scripting
>>conference will be at 1120924800 seconds.
>>
>>I am curious to know if this works for all time zones everywhere. For
>>those who want to try it, run this in the message box:
>>
>> get "1120924800";convert it to short date and time;put it
>>
>>To be safe, double-check the web page anyway. :)
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jul  5 16:51:55 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 15:51:55 -0500
Subject: Scripting conference Groups stack uploaded
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507042234020.11741-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507042234020.11741-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <42CAF2EB.9030403@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/5/05 12:34 AM, Judy Perry wrote:

> And, here, I'm just hoping that I wake up in time ;-)

Give us your phone number and we'll start calling you at 5 AM just to 
make sure. ;)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From rev at armbase.com  Tue Jul  5 16:54:25 2005
From: rev at armbase.com (Bob Hartley)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 21:54:25 +0100
Subject: Help!!! Lost Some Stack Data
In-Reply-To: <a05210600bef09ec6d586@[192.168.80.101]>
References: <D5140051-EEFA-466A-9DEB-A6DCFAB0916F@writeme.com> 
	<A689EA87-A2FF-4457-B02B-254844953F0C@writeme.com> 
	<a05210600bef09ec6d586@[192.168.80.101]>
Message-ID: <gemini.ij6a2p004k6t202ak.rev@armbase.com>

You wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I just opened a .rev stack and a major object group that I have been
> working on has disappeared! I really don't fancy putting it all in again!
> I do have a Standalone that had the missing group in to, is there anyway
> to retreive this from the Standalone so I can put it back into a .rev
> file???

I don't know if you can do this with the main stack but if it is a substack
then that is easy but you could try this. You can clone a stack within a
standalone. Try using another stack to clone the stack in the standalone.

It is a total guess.

all the best
Bob
> 
> Thanks in advance Dave
> 
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From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Tue Jul  5 16:54:02 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 16:54:02 -0400
Subject: Scripting conference Groups stack uploaded
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A946A313@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

I would suggest adding a second dimension to your time-array. This
allows for time travel without violating causality. (just make sure you
don't get stuck in the inner dimension - might give a whole new meaning
to idea of getting back to your roots)

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of J. Landman
Gay
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 4:50 PM
Cc: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Subject: Re: Scripting conference Groups stack uploaded

On 7/4/05 8:45 PM, Ray Stace wrote:

> Returns 7/10/05 2:00 AM in the time zone for Sydney Australia.
> Might not get many 'live' participants at that time ;)-

Unfortuntely, that's the right time for the Aussies. Actually, everyone 
who has reported in about the seconds conversion has given the right 
time, which I have to say is pretty neat. I will start announcing future

conference times in seconds from now on, I think.

We tried really hard to find a conference time that would accomodate 
everyone all around the world. It proved impossible, largely because we 
couldn't figure out a way to prevent the earth from rotating. So to fix 
this problem, I am working on a little stack called "TimeWarpGadget". 
This stack, when completed, will allow you to stop time and attend the 
conference at your leisure.

I confess that progress has been very slow. Every time I set a 
breakpoint, I drop into the debugger an hour before I started and the 
script I'm debugging hasn't been written yet. As soon as I solve this 
little glitch, I'll be looking for testers.


> On 5/7/05 11:26 AM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>>What a great idea. It is no surprise it comes from the lady who will
be
>>doing the conference on dates and times. Okay, the next scripting
>>conference will be at 1120924800 seconds.
>>
>>I am curious to know if this works for all time zones everywhere. For
>>those who want to try it, run this in the message box:
>>
>> get "1120924800";convert it to short date and time;put it
>>
>>To be safe, double-check the web page anyway. :)
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue Jul  5 16:58:02 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 22:58:02 +0200
Subject: Help!!! Lost Some Stack Data
In-Reply-To: <a05210600bef09ec6d586@[192.168.80.101]>
References: <D5140051-EEFA-466A-9DEB-A6DCFAB0916F@writeme.com>
	<A689EA87-A2FF-4457-B02B-254844953F0C@writeme.com>
	<a05210600bef09ec6d586@[192.168.80.101]>
Message-ID: <6E641480-B82C-4DB4-9EFA-8DB7A5D54DAD@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Dave,

I never tested it but you will find on RevNet:
Disassembler stack
Very simple app to convert a MetaCard or RunRev standalone back to  
the plain stack: .exe --> .mc
Very preliminary, but it seems to be working: send comments to  
sjoerdoptland at s2theatertechniek.nl
Sjoerd Op 't Land
S2 Software
www.s2theatertechniek.nl

Seems for Windows only?

PS. Have you checked your *lost* group in the app browser?

Le 5 juil. 05 ? 22:34, David Burgun a ?crit :

> I just opened a .rev stack and a major object group that I have  
> been working on has disappeared! I really don't fancy putting it  
> all in again! I do have a Standalone that had the missing group in  
> to, is there anyway to retreive this from the Standalone so I can  
> put it back into a .rev file???


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Tue Jul  5 16:59:56 2005
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:59:56 -0500
Subject: CocoaMySQL -- was : How do I make simple multiple user access
 app?
In-Reply-To: <p06210200beefc4bcd472@[192.168.1.7]>
References: <1120440740.42c891a48b800@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
	<02457711-EE57-4C89-9236-025EFB6C716B@vortex.co.uk>
	<p06210200beefc4bcd472@[192.168.1.7]>
Message-ID: <p06210205bef0a422a2ac@[192.168.1.100]>

another reason to use a local MySQL client such as CocoaMySQL is that 
it can be much more secure than a web based utility such as 
phpMyAdmin or Escuel as the MySQL server only works with IPs one 
specifies. (at least with my ISP).

>I could never figure out how to use phpMyAdmin to actually let me 
>ENTER data (if it does at all), not just build the structure.
>
>Often I'll use CocoaMySQL to build the schema and stuff the database 
>with data, then use my app after that. It uses an easy to use 
>spreadsheet metaphor to enter data.
>
>This way I have good data to start testing my app right away. 
>Import/Export is a snap and it reads the first line of my data to 
>get the fieldnames for import. On many web based projects that 
>mainly need to display lists from a database (such as a tour 
>schedule for CSN) I just enter the data directly from CocoaMySQL and 
>don't have to create an entry or admin panel.
>
>Much easier to use than a web-based app.
>
>sqb
>


From rev at armbase.com  Tue Jul  5 17:11:01 2005
From: rev at armbase.com (Bob Hartley)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 22:11:01 +0100
Subject: Help!!! Lost Some Stack Data
Message-ID: <gemini.ij6aud0055jav02ak.rev@armbase.com>

On 05/07/2005 21:54:25, Bob Hartley (rev at armbase.com) wrote:
> You wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > I just opened a .rev stack and a major object group that I have been
> > working on has disappeared! I really
> don't fancy putting it all in again!
> > I do have a Standalone that had the missing group in to, is there anyway
> > to retreive this from the Standalone so I can put it back into a .rev
> > file???
> 
> I don't
> know if you can do this with the main stack but if it is a substack
> then that is easy but you could try this. You can clone a stack within a
> standalone. Try using another stack to clone the stack in the standalone.

Sorry I wrote that inn a total hurry. 

Tested my idea (even put in a button on a cloned substack to try and clone
another substack in the .exe (this opend the stack with the button)

No luck.. sorry to raise your hopes.

regards
bob

You could try
> 
> It is a total guess.
> 
> all the best
> Bob
> >
> > Thanks in advance Dave
> >
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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Tue Jul  5 17:16:51 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:16:51 -0400
Subject: Where are my sub-menus?
In-Reply-To: <42CABDC3.4080206@fourthworld.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507042229060.11741-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>	<42CAB37E.2060402@fourthworld.com>
	<42CAB87D.5030501@sover.net> <42CABDC3.4080206@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <42b182095deae489be65aba80a5e82cd@adelphia.net>

Richard,

No, this is happening with normal applications but it is an OS 
preference. If you don't use certain menu items in MS Outlook then they 
are hidden from view (not really gone) and they are replaced with a 
blank line with a double arrow at the right hand side that when pressed 
will then reveal the items missing. It is a problem. But worse is if 
there are certain items at the top of a menu and at the bottom of the 
menu then you have two blank line with arrow access items. it really 
gets confusing.

I have seen it in every new XP computer set to 'On' by default.

Tom

On Jul 5, 2005, at 1:05 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Jon wrote:
>> "What application and which of its menu items do this?"
>> Well, the OS, for one.  The feature is called Personalized Menus.  
>> The doc says "Personalized Menus keeps the Programs menu clean by 
>> hiding items you haven't used recently, while still keeping other 
>> programs easily accessible.  You can gain access to hidden programs 
>> by clicking the down arrow at the bottom of the Programs menu".  
>> Similar "features" are provided with other MS products, like Office.
>> Yetch.  Bletch.  Yuck. Good for  casual users, but death to anyone 
>> with decent reflexes and physical memory.
>
> Ah, I see.  It's not like this is happening with normal application 
> menus; the Start menu is a special case.


Macintosh PowerBook G-4 OSX 10.3.9, OS 9.2.2, 1.25 GHz, 512MB RAM, Rev 
2.6


Advanced Media Group
Eagle Works Art & Sculpture
Semantic Compaction Systems
Prentke Romich Company
Prentke Romich International
SCIconics, LLC
Artist
Thomas J McGrath III
3mcgrath at adelphia.net





From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Tue Jul  5 17:20:23 2005
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 22:20:23 +0100
Subject: Help!!! Lost Some Stack Data
In-Reply-To: <6E641480-B82C-4DB4-9EFA-8DB7A5D54DAD@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <D5140051-EEFA-466A-9DEB-A6DCFAB0916F@writeme.com>
	<A689EA87-A2FF-4457-B02B-254844953F0C@writeme.com>
	<a05210600bef09ec6d586@[192.168.80.101]>
	<6E641480-B82C-4DB4-9EFA-8DB7A5D54DAD@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <a05210600bef0a9605154@[192.168.80.101]>

Hi Eric,

I checked in the App browser, it's gone. I will take a look at the 
disassembler but I only have a Mac so if it's windoze only I probably 
out of luck, although I do have both a MacOS X and WIndoze Standalone.

Thanks for your help, I'll try to rescue it a bit more, else it's 
typing it all in again.

I really don't know what happened, all was fine, I quit saved the 
stack, quit RunRev and the group was gone when I re-opened it!

All the Best
Dave


>Hi Dave,
>
>I never tested it but you will find on RevNet:
>Disassembler stack
>Very simple app to convert a MetaCard or RunRev standalone back to 
>the plain stack: .exe --> .mc
>Very preliminary, but it seems to be working: send comments to 
>sjoerdoptland at s2theatertechniek.nl
>Sjoerd Op 't Land
>S2 Software
>www.s2theatertechniek.nl
>
>Seems for Windows only?
>
>PS. Have you checked your *lost* group in the app browser?
>
>Le 5 juil. 05 ? 22:34, David Burgun a ?crit :
>
>>I just opened a .rev stack and a major object group that I have 
>>been working on has disappeared! I really don't fancy putting it 
>>all in again! I do have a Standalone that had the missing group in 
>>to, is there anyway to retreive this from the Standalone so I can 
>>put it back into a .rev file???
>
>


From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Tue Jul  5 17:32:06 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:32:06 -0400
Subject: Embedded objects in fields
In-Reply-To: <9BA415E5-2920-4A94-A536-4E391371CC82@conncoll.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507050855520.22116-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<9BA415E5-2920-4A94-A536-4E391371CC82@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <f9c906aeca8ae4d67476deed25f78cdb@adelphia.net>

Charles,

That's so true and maybe we will see some great changes in HIG in the 
future. But I wonder if the interface should match the point unless of 
course as an example. Of course you can do it, but is it then more like 
an artists statement or a designers point? Will the users of the 
Tutorials get this?

It certainly peeks my interest. I read L.E. Modesitt's books on 
"Recluse" and at first read had difficulty until I realized he was 
trying to emulate the theme/plot of the story in his writing style. His 
book is about order/chaos (good/evil ) and when describing the idea of 
Order (vs Chaos) he would write very deliberately in a structured way 
and when writing about Chaos he was all over the place. In the end I 
enjoyed it and read all of the other 10 books in the series. But it was 
hard to get over at first and he seemed to drop the style after the 
first two books.

FWIW

Tom

On Jul 5, 2005, at 3:37 PM, Charles Hartman wrote:

> Sure -- though this is exactly not (if not _exactly_ the opposite of) 
> the tutorial situation I'm talking about. That is: if the 
> *abstruseness* of some information is part of the point of that 
> information, doesn't an interface for getting at it that makes the 
> path to it *not* automatic reinforce the point of the information?
>
> A huge percentage of what we do on computers isn't like this; early 
> interfaces were bad because they made everything obscure including the 
> 95% that shouldn't be. All the UI guidelines are ways of making 
> designers conscious of that & so correcting it. My point is that, 
> while doing clerical work on a computer (which is most of what most 
> people use programs for -- from email to w.p. to googling) shouldn't 
> make any extra, irrelevant demands on users' attention, I don't 
> believe that applies to everything people do on computers.
>


Macintosh PowerBook G-4 OSX 10.3.9, OS 9.2.2, 1.25 GHz, 512MB RAM, Rev 
2.6


Advanced Media Group
Eagle Works Art & Sculpture
Semantic Compaction Systems
Prentke Romich Company
Prentke Romich International
SCIconics, LLC
Artist
Thomas J McGrath III
3mcgrath at adelphia.net





From nicolas_cueto at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  5 18:29:04 2005
From: nicolas_cueto at yahoo.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 07:29:04 +0900
Subject: is within rectangle
References: <01d801c580a5$e21a22d0$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>
	<134453DB-5796-4F78-86F4-C2DD59A1DF85@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <020f01c581b0$f4180810$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>

Hello All,

Further to my "invaders" game-making (which,
thanks to the List, is almost done), I now'd like
to check when the leading edge of one object --
its bottom, in this case -- makes contact with
the leading edge of another -- i.e., its top.

I tried:

  if loc of [A] is within the rectangle of [B]

which almost works perfectly, except [A]
can graze the periphery areas of [B] with-
out setting off the if-statement.

So, I also tried bottomLeft, bottomRight, etc,
but still no go. And I was going to try setting
the hotPoint but I've no idea about what pixel
to make hot.

Confused by relative location of objects,
Nicolas Cueto




From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Jul  5 18:58:22 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 17:58:22 -0500
Subject: Where are my sub-menus?
In-Reply-To: <42b182095deae489be65aba80a5e82cd@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <BEF07ABE.249A5%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 7/5/05 4:16 PM, "Thomas McGrath III" <3mcgrath at adelphia.net> wrote:

> Richard,
> 
> No, this is happening with normal applications but it is an OS
> preference. 

It's also a "per-application" preference as well; Word, Excel, Outlook,
etc., all have this in they're "Customize" dialogs.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com




From revdan at danshafer.com  Tue Jul  5 18:59:37 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:59:37 -0700
Subject: CocoaMySQL -- was : How do I make simple multiple user access
	app?
In-Reply-To: <p06210205bef0a422a2ac@[192.168.1.100]>
References: <1120440740.42c891a48b800@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
	<02457711-EE57-4C89-9236-025EFB6C716B@vortex.co.uk>
	<p06210200beefc4bcd472@[192.168.1.7]>
	<p06210205bef0a422a2ac@[192.168.1.100]>
Message-ID: <81AF5103-7A66-46EE-9EEF-1EB861784E19@danshafer.com>

But CocoaMySQL appears broken with Tiger. At least it didn't work for  
me. Refused to connect to any of my databases. I downloaded the MySQL  
Administrator from the MySQL site. Works great but doesn't allow me  
to manage database content. So what? I use Rev!

Dan

On Jul 5, 2005, at 1:59 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> another reason to use a local MySQL client such as CocoaMySQL is  
> that it can be much more secure than a web based utility such as  
> phpMyAdmin or Escuel as the MySQL server only works with IPs one  
> specifies. (at least with my ISP).
>
>
>> I could never figure out how to use phpMyAdmin to actually let me  
>> ENTER data (if it does at all), not just build the structure.
>>
>> Often I'll use CocoaMySQL to build the schema and stuff the  
>> database with data, then use my app after that. It uses an easy to  
>> use spreadsheet metaphor to enter data.
>>
>> This way I have good data to start testing my app right away.  
>> Import/Export is a snap and it reads the first line of my data to  
>> get the fieldnames for import. On many web based projects that  
>> mainly need to display lists from a database (such as a tour  
>> schedule for CSN) I just enter the data directly from CocoaMySQL  
>> and don't have to create an entry or admin panel.
>>
>> Much easier to use than a web-based app.
>>
>> sqb
>>
>>
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From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Tue Jul  5 19:02:20 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 09:02:20 +1000
Subject: Help!!! Lost Some Stack Data
In-Reply-To: <a05210600bef09ec6d586@[192.168.80.101]>
References: <D5140051-EEFA-466A-9DEB-A6DCFAB0916F@writeme.com>
	<A689EA87-A2FF-4457-B02B-254844953F0C@writeme.com>
	<a05210600bef09ec6d586@[192.168.80.101]>
Message-ID: <F0F33C73-2ADB-44E9-B510-8651E798E4F9@genesearch.com.au>

> I just opened a .rev stack and a major object group that I have  
> been working on has disappeared! I really don't fancy putting it  
> all in again! I do have a Standalone that had the missing group in  
> to, is there anyway to retreive this from the Standalone so I can  
> put it back into a .rev file???

Does your standalone have the sub-stacks as separate files, possibly  
inside an OS X bundle? If so, you can just open any sub-stack in Rev.

Are you sure the group has really gone? Does it appear in the list if  
you go to the Object menu and choose Place Group? Can you see it in  
the Application Browser, maybe it is invisible or moved out of view.

Sarah



From soapdog at mac.com  Tue Jul  5 19:02:31 2005
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 20:02:31 -0300
Subject: I am back...
Message-ID: <D221CFAB-344E-4E82-B5A6-DB7198AA1225@mac.com>

Hi Folks,

I am now back from RevConWest and my little trip to Hawaii. I finally  
managed to migrate my files to the new laptop. So I am now able to  
see and help with the list, something that was impossible with three  
computers trying to manage the same mail account... irgh, IMAP is not  
that cool thing when Tiger SmartFolders start war with Panther  
Filters... geez.

If someone here tried to mail me in the last two weeks, please do it  
again, I lost to much emails... sorry.

As for comming back, I updated the FTPCommander stack on RevOnline,  
now it has a glossy interface and drag & drop support for both  
droping local folder in the "local folder" field, this way is easier  
to set the local folder, much cooler than using "answer folder" and  
you can drop files on the remote file listing field too, the files  
will be uploaded.

A simple ftp client, with source, be happy!

Cheers
andre


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Jul  5 19:05:40 2005
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 16:05:40 -0700
Subject: CocoaMySQL -- was : How do I make simple multiple user access
	app?
In-Reply-To: <81AF5103-7A66-46EE-9EEF-1EB861784E19@danshafer.com>
References: <1120440740.42c891a48b800@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
	<02457711-EE57-4C89-9236-025EFB6C716B@vortex.co.uk>
	<p06210200beefc4bcd472@[192.168.1.7]>
	<p06210205bef0a422a2ac@[192.168.1.100]>
	<81AF5103-7A66-46EE-9EEF-1EB861784E19@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <69019ff96db5880e1846e0398e2482fb@mangomultimedia.com>

On Jul 5, 2005, at 3:59 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:

> But CocoaMySQL appears broken with Tiger. At least it didn't work for 
> me. Refused to connect to any of my databases. I downloaded the MySQL 
> Administrator from the MySQL site. Works great but doesn't allow me to 
> manage database content. So what? I use Rev!

Dan,

Are you running MySQL 4.1?  If so it was probably a password issue.  
After doing the password fix that has been mentioned on this list 
CocoaMySQL works fine with MySQL 4.1 on Tiger.



-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Multimedia
trevor at mangomultimedia.com



From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Tue Jul  5 19:06:45 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 09:06:45 +1000
Subject: Scripting conference Groups stack uploaded
In-Reply-To: <42CAF288.1020203@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <BEF02352.18070%rstace@uow.edu.au>
	<42CAF288.1020203@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <D9EC9B20-A7DC-46BC-87AB-FC6B10EE4399@genesearch.com.au>

> We tried really hard to find a conference time that would  
> accomodate everyone all around the world. It proved impossible,  
> largely because we couldn't figure out a way to prevent the earth  
> from rotating. So to fix this problem, I am working on a little  
> stack called "TimeWarpGadget". This stack, when completed, will  
> allow you to stop time and attend the conference at your leisure.
>
> I confess that progress has been very slow. Every time I set a  
> breakpoint, I drop into the debugger an hour before I started and  
> the script I'm debugging hasn't been written yet. As soon as I  
> solve this little glitch, I'll be looking for testers.

LOL! I'll be available to help testing in June 2003 or possibly 2007 :-)

Sarah



From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Tue Jul  5 19:25:01 2005
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 18:25:01 -0500
Subject: CocoaMySQL -- was : How do I make simple multiple user access
 app?
In-Reply-To: <81AF5103-7A66-46EE-9EEF-1EB861784E19@danshafer.com>
References: <1120440740.42c891a48b800@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
	<02457711-EE57-4C89-9236-025EFB6C716B@vortex.co.uk>
	<p06210200beefc4bcd472@[192.168.1.7]>
	<p06210205bef0a422a2ac@[192.168.1.100]>
	<81AF5103-7A66-46EE-9EEF-1EB861784E19@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <p06230900bef0c5bf83a3@[192.168.1.7]>

Dan, you said you were migrating to Dreamhost. Did you make sure your 
local machine or network's IP is included with your user info ? Also 
all names and pw must be lower case... it takes a bit of futzing to 
make it all happy.

I'm a 'late adopter' to Tiger so I haven't tested it. Development 
seems to have stopped.

I'm looking around, at first look there seems to be a new competitor: 
YourSQL. Haven't tested it yet but is being developed.

http://yoursql.ludit.it/

sqb

>But CocoaMySQL appears broken with Tiger. At least it didn't work 
>for me. Refused to connect to any of my databases. I downloaded the 
>MySQL Administrator from the MySQL site. Works great but doesn't 
>allow me to manage database content. So what? I use Rev!
>
>Dan


From revdan at danshafer.com  Tue Jul  5 19:46:31 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 16:46:31 -0700
Subject: CocoaMySQL -- was : How do I make simple multiple user access
	app?
In-Reply-To: <69019ff96db5880e1846e0398e2482fb@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <1120440740.42c891a48b800@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
	<02457711-EE57-4C89-9236-025EFB6C716B@vortex.co.uk>
	<p06210200beefc4bcd472@[192.168.1.7]>
	<p06210205bef0a422a2ac@[192.168.1.100]>
	<81AF5103-7A66-46EE-9EEF-1EB861784E19@danshafer.com>
	<69019ff96db5880e1846e0398e2482fb@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <22FFD524-9EA3-4FE8-8C12-2C5005E22CCC@danshafer.com>

that may have been the problem, Trevor. When I noticed CocoaMySQL  
hadn't been updated in a long time, i figured I'd be better off  
finding a more active project to use anyway.

dan

On Jul 5, 2005, at 4:05 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> On Jul 5, 2005, at 3:59 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:
>
>
>> But CocoaMySQL appears broken with Tiger. At least it didn't work  
>> for me. Refused to connect to any of my databases. I downloaded  
>> the MySQL Administrator from the MySQL site. Works great but  
>> doesn't allow me to manage database content. So what? I use Rev!
>>
>
> Dan,
>
> Are you running MySQL 4.1?  If so it was probably a password  
> issue.  After doing the password fix that has been mentioned on  
> this list CocoaMySQL works fine with MySQL 4.1 on Tiger.
>
>
>
> -- 
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Multimedia
> trevor at mangomultimedia.com
>
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From katir at hindu.org  Tue Jul  5 19:52:09 2005
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 13:52:09 -1000
Subject: PDFs in QT Player -- Hot Links Challenge
In-Reply-To: <42CAB429.4070800@fourthworld.com>
References: <D211AB38-28A0-459B-97A4-CED2F9EE8851@hindu.org>	<54045D89-171B-41A1-A3CD-88059E824AC1@danshafer.com>	<42C9A7CF.2040400@fourthworld.com>
	<0BBC581C-EFF4-42E8-B1B2-B819CB3197DB@hindu.org>
	<42CAB429.4070800@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <586FF1C5-9110-4680-93E6-119E177F535C@hindu.org>

H.264 is Apple's latest hi-definition format for video. It's really  
quite incredible (go www.apple.com  and then quicktime)

I don't have  a window's machine handy... Andre is checking it out.


On Jul 05, 2005, at 6:24 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Sivakatirswami wrote:
>
>> Aiyo! (Lamentations)
>>  Windows won't play PDFs in QT...
>>  Richard: did that windows machine have QT 7 for Windows loaded?
>> I'm sure you know this already but Apple just released QT with H. 
>> 264  format capabilities for Windows just a few weeks ago... so I  
>> just  wanted to check if this was happening in the latest QT,
>>
>
> I haven't the foggiest.  What is "H.264" and what happens when you  
> try it with QT 7 on Win?
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation
>  ___________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
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From b.xavier at internet.lu  Tue Jul  5 19:54:06 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 01:54:06 +0200
Subject: ANN Spring things
In-Reply-To: <p06200704bef0672d4582@[69.85.136.153]>
Message-ID: <20050705234815.D685A8249B1@mail.runrev.com>

Jim,

You're too modest ;)

Good job though! That's a nice graphic on the Rev website ;)

cheers
Xavier 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jim Hurley
> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 18:54
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: RE: ANN Spring things
> 
> >
> >Message: 7
> >Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:27:32 +0200
> >From: "MisterX" <b.xavier at internet.lu>
> >Subject: RE: ANN Spring things
> >To: "'How to use Revolution'" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> >Message-ID: <20050705152155.AC0CF82488F at mail.runrev.com>
> >Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> >(snip)
> >
> >So what's the point? What's the value in this? How do you 
> see the car 
> >handle the way you want? How do you control the testing?
> >(snip)
> 
> 
> Xavier,
> 
> Whew! Too much for me. I can only handle the springs. The 
> rest of the car is up to the engineers. :-) (There is a good 
> deal more physics at Run Rev's web site: 
> http://downloads.runrev.com/stacks_apps/turtlegraphics.php )
> 
> Jim
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From alen.ljubas at vk.t-com.hr  Tue Jul  5 20:17:42 2005
From: alen.ljubas at vk.t-com.hr (Alen Ljubas)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 02:17:42 +0200
Subject: No subject
In-Reply-To: <20050704205552.E49CE82492A@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20050706001801.4A7A3F8007@ls401.t-com.hr>

Need trial number for Revolution and Dreamcard !!!
You are not send a message with trial serial number.Please,
Send trial number. Thank you.






From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jul  5 20:23:46 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 17:23:46 -0700
Subject: No subject
In-Reply-To: <20050706001801.4A7A3F8007@ls401.t-com.hr>
References: <20050706001801.4A7A3F8007@ls401.t-com.hr>
Message-ID: <42CB2492.2090207@fourthworld.com>

Alen Ljubas wrote:
> Need trial number for Revolution and Dreamcard !!!
> You are not send a message with trial serial number.Please,
> Send trial number. Thank you.

Need you to request a trial number through normal channels !!!
You are not to send a message with a request fo a trial serial 
number.Please, register for a trial number.  Thank you.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From revdan at danshafer.com  Tue Jul  5 20:29:53 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:29:53 -0700
Subject: CocoaMySQL -- was : How do I make simple multiple user access
	app?
In-Reply-To: <p06230900bef0c5bf83a3@[192.168.1.7]>
References: <1120440740.42c891a48b800@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
	<02457711-EE57-4C89-9236-025EFB6C716B@vortex.co.uk>
	<p06210200beefc4bcd472@[192.168.1.7]>
	<p06210205bef0a422a2ac@[192.168.1.100]>
	<81AF5103-7A66-46EE-9EEF-1EB861784E19@danshafer.com>
	<p06230900bef0c5bf83a3@[192.168.1.7]>
Message-ID: <213B4289-8A02-479F-8A48-0A6EB9FCE54A@danshafer.com>

Hi, Steven....

I'm still migrating to Dreamhost but the CocoaMySQL issue was separate.

I did look at YourSQL and as I recall wasn't impressed (or it didn't  
work for some reason).

I was using both of these tools on a local (OS X) MySQL database.

dan

On Jul 5, 2005, at 4:25 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> Dan, you said you were migrating to Dreamhost. Did you make sure  
> your local machine or network's IP is included with your user  
> info ? Also all names and pw must be lower case... it takes a bit  
> of futzing to make it all happy.
>
> I'm a 'late adopter' to Tiger so I haven't tested it. Development  
> seems to have stopped.
>
> I'm looking around, at first look there seems to be a new  
> competitor: YourSQL. Haven't tested it yet but is being developed.
>
> http://yoursql.ludit.it/
>
> sqb
>
>
>> But CocoaMySQL appears broken with Tiger. At least it didn't work  
>> for me. Refused to connect to any of my databases. I downloaded  
>> the MySQL Administrator from the MySQL site. Works great but  
>> doesn't allow me to manage database content. So what? I use Rev!
>>
>> Dan
>>
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From revdan at danshafer.com  Tue Jul  5 20:33:08 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:33:08 -0700
Subject: CocoaMySQL -- was : How do I make simple multiple user access
	app?
In-Reply-To: <p06230900bef0c5bf83a3@[192.168.1.7]>
References: <1120440740.42c891a48b800@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
	<02457711-EE57-4C89-9236-025EFB6C716B@vortex.co.uk>
	<p06210200beefc4bcd472@[192.168.1.7]>
	<p06210205bef0a422a2ac@[192.168.1.100]>
	<81AF5103-7A66-46EE-9EEF-1EB861784E19@danshafer.com>
	<p06230900bef0c5bf83a3@[192.168.1.7]>
Message-ID: <9DDE4EA0-BFB9-4747-A952-A8292513A966@danshafer.com>

Well, I re-downloaded YourSQL and tested it and it ran first time  
just very nicely.

So maybe I had an earlier version that wasn't quite ready.

Thanks for the reminder/pointer. I'm going to poke at it a bit, see  
if I can tick it off.

dan

On Jul 5, 2005, at 4:25 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> Dan, you said you were migrating to Dreamhost. Did you make sure  
> your local machine or network's IP is included with your user  
> info ? Also all names and pw must be lower case... it takes a bit  
> of futzing to make it all happy.
>
> I'm a 'late adopter' to Tiger so I haven't tested it. Development  
> seems to have stopped.
>
> I'm looking around, at first look there seems to be a new  
> competitor: YourSQL. Haven't tested it yet but is being developed.
>
> http://yoursql.ludit.it/
>
> sqb
>
>
>> But CocoaMySQL appears broken with Tiger. At least it didn't work  
>> for me. Refused to connect to any of my databases. I downloaded  
>> the MySQL Administrator from the MySQL site. Works great but  
>> doesn't allow me to manage database content. So what? I use Rev!
>>
>> Dan
>>
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From jspencer78 at mac.com  Tue Jul  5 21:40:04 2005
From: jspencer78 at mac.com (James Spencer)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 20:40:04 -0500
Subject: CocoaMySQL -- was : How do I make simple multiple user
	access	app?
In-Reply-To: <9DDE4EA0-BFB9-4747-A952-A8292513A966@danshafer.com>
References: <1120440740.42c891a48b800@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
	<02457711-EE57-4C89-9236-025EFB6C716B@vortex.co.uk>
	<p06210200beefc4bcd472@[192.168.1.7]>
	<p06210205bef0a422a2ac@[192.168.1.100]>
	<81AF5103-7A66-46EE-9EEF-1EB861784E19@danshafer.com>
	<p06230900bef0c5bf83a3@[192.168.1.7]>
	<9DDE4EA0-BFB9-4747-A952-A8292513A966@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <02078FC6-7402-4A7F-9309-144A8F76FFC6@mac.com>

Having spent the last few days finally getting mySQL to work here,  
from the research that I did over the last days, the problem with all  
of these things, Rev, CocoaMySQL, YourSQL, etc. all may have related  
to the major change that mySQL did with how it hashes passwords with  
version 4.1.  If you set up passwords under a post 4.1 server setup  
but were using a pre 4.1 client (such as Rev), it won't connect.  The  
solution that has been suggested here (resetting the passwords using  
SET PASSWORD FOR 'some_user'@'some_host' = OLD_PASSWORD('mypass');  
should fix the problem for all these clients.  Having done this  
(reset my passwords for the old hashing), Rev is working as is  
CocoaMySQL (I don't know whether there is a password problem with the  
latter or not; I fixed my passwords before trying it and now at least  
it is working fine under Tiger.

Spence

James P. Spencer
Rochester, MN

jspencer78 at charter.net

"Badges??  We don't need no stinkin badges!"

On Jul 5, 2005, at 7:33 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:

> Well, I re-downloaded YourSQL and tested it and it ran first time  
> just very nicely.
>
> So maybe I had an earlier version that wasn't quite ready.
>
> Thanks for the reminder/pointer. I'm going to poke at it a bit, see  
> if I can tick it off.
>
> dan
>
> On Jul 5, 2005, at 4:25 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:
>
>
>> Dan, you said you were migrating to Dreamhost. Did you make sure  
>> your local machine or network's IP is included with your user  
>> info ? Also all names and pw must be lower case... it takes a bit  
>> of futzing to make it all happy.
>>
>> I'm a 'late adopter' to Tiger so I haven't tested it. Development  
>> seems to have stopped.
>>
>> I'm looking around, at first look there seems to be a new  
>> competitor: YourSQL. Haven't tested it yet but is being developed.
>>
>> http://yoursql.ludit.it/
>>
>> sqb
>>
>>
>>
>>> But CocoaMySQL appears broken with Tiger. At least it didn't work  
>>> for me. Refused to connect to any of my databases. I downloaded  
>>> the MySQL Administrator from the MySQL site. Works great but  
>>> doesn't allow me to manage database content. So what? I use Rev!
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>>


From jspencer78 at mac.com  Tue Jul  5 21:59:03 2005
From: jspencer78 at mac.com (James Spencer)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 20:59:03 -0500
Subject: mySQL database query
Message-ID: <68361138-A6EB-4348-BE90-133203E08139@mac.com>

As long as we are talking about mySQL, is there a way to  
programatically refresh a database query?  I have a master/detail  
form which includes a button to delete the currently selected record  
and this works fine insofar as it deletes the record from the  
database but the fields and table all still show the record I just  
deleted.  I can "manually" refresh using a button tied to the refresh  
SQL action but I would like to force the refresh upon deletion of the  
record.  I can't find a transcript command which will force the tied  
fields to show the correct data without the additional user action of  
clicking another button.

James P. Spencer
Rochester, MN

jspencer78 at mac.com

"Badges??  We don't need no stinkin badges!"


From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Jul  5 22:15:44 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 21:15:44 -0500
Subject: is within rectangle
In-Reply-To: <020f01c581b0$f4180810$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>
References: <01d801c580a5$e21a22d0$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>	<134453DB-5796-4F78-86F4-C2DD59A1DF85@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<020f01c581b0$f4180810$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>
Message-ID: <42CB3ED0.1010406@chipp.com>

Nicholas,

try:

if (item 1 of the loc of [A], the top of [A]) is within the rectangle of [B]

Nicolas Cueto wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> Further to my "invaders" game-making (which,
> thanks to the List, is almost done), I now'd like
> to check when the leading edge of one object --
> its bottom, in this case -- makes contact with
> the leading edge of another -- i.e., its top.


From sonesond1 at southernct.edu  Tue Jul  5 22:39:20 2005
From: sonesond1 at southernct.edu (Dan Soneson)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 22:39:20 -0400
Subject: Embedded objects in fields
In-Reply-To: <20050706015435.43347824D08@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <27C473A5-EDC7-11D9-8C18-00039303CE26@southernct.edu>

> Oh, I think as a generalization that makes excellent sense. In this
> particular case, it may or may not. This is a straight, lame, read-
> this-card tutorial app; some cards are too long not to scroll
> (already less than ideal from a UI standpoint, but I don't want to
> make the stack as big as the biggest card, or keep changing the
> stack's size, and many cards are such clear logical units they can't
> be broken up without creating conceptual confusion). A few cards have
> special go-here-for-more-information buttons, and those buttons are
> logically attached to particular pieces of the text.
>
> Within that framework, I don't see how to do otherwise than the bit
> whose ugliness you're quite right to point out. Of course the whole
> framework may be screwy -- but that's a very large question about the
> design & efficacy of on-screen tutorials.
>
> Charles Hartman

Hi Charles,

Sorry to jump in so late in this thread, but I too have been 
overwhelmed by the traffic on this list, and only get the list in 
digest mode. In any case, back to what ignited this discussion, it 
seems like what you are looking for is the ability to navigate from 
within a field. Did you look into creating hyperlinks with text within 
the field? Set the textstyle of a chunk of text within the field to 
link, set the linktext to the card/stack destination, and write a 
script to navigate to the linktext of the text. Check out the linkText 
property and the linkClicked message in the documents.

BTW, glad to see another Rev user from Connecticut!

Dan




From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Tue Jul  5 22:53:34 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 22:53:34 -0400
Subject: Embedded objects in fields
In-Reply-To: <27C473A5-EDC7-11D9-8C18-00039303CE26@southernct.edu>
References: <27C473A5-EDC7-11D9-8C18-00039303CE26@southernct.edu>
Message-ID: <B8CB1CDA-96A3-4971-A9D3-67807F7C0BAD@conncoll.edu>

Oh yes, I'm doing that all over the place for cross-references (from  
one card to another in a Reference substack). The buttons in question  
are navigation on a different level -- connections to further  
information on some detail of the topic a card addresses.

> Sorry to jump in so late in this thread, but I too have been  
> overwhelmed by the traffic on this list, and only get the list in  
> digest mode. In any case, back to what ignited this discussion, it  
> seems like what you are looking for is the ability to navigate from  
> within a field. Did you look into creating hyperlinks with text  
> within the field? Set the textstyle of a chunk of text within the  
> field to link, set the linktext to the card/stack destination, and  
> write a script to navigate to the linktext of the text. Check out  
> the linkText property and the linkClicked message in the documents.
>
> BTW, glad to see another Rev user from Connecticut!
>
> Dan
>

Charles Hartman
Professor of English, Poet in Residence
Connecticut College
charles.hartman at conncoll.edu
*the Scandroid* is at cherry.conncoll.edu/cohar/Programs







From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Tue Jul  5 23:07:22 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 23:07:22 -0400
Subject: Setting fonts
Message-ID: <D03B5E31-6907-45C8-B296-AF00E9B46272@conncoll.edu>

This is a pretty newbie question; what I'm looking for is the right  
general direction to take.

This Dreamcard stack will need to run under the Player on both Mac  
(where I'm writing it) and Windows. The app centers on many cards  
that are full of information, usually in a scrolling text field. Most  
of the text in the field uses whatever I set as the font for the main  
stack (obviously) -- Palatino on Mac, probably Times New Roman on  
Windows. Certain lines within the text on many cards need to be in a  
monospaced font (Courier on Mac, Courier New on Windows).

So two linked questions: What's the best way to set the overall font  
in a script for the main stack (in an "if the platform is" structure  
presumably)? I notice that if I just set the font for the main stack  
(for example, from the message box), it changes on all the cards as  
expected, though of course not in the lines specified with a  
particular font (Courier) -- but ALSO not AFTER that text that's  
marked off for Courier. So that "if the platform is" doesn't seem to  
be be thorough enough. And then, how do I set the font for the  
monospaced lines on all cards?

I suppose the stupid brute-force method would be (on opening the main  
stack) to loop through all lines in the text in all relevant fields  
in all cards in all substacks. Slow & absurd. Should I be looking at  
property sets instead? (That *sounds* right, but I don't really  
understand it yet.) Will this get around the inconsistency in the  
"main" (stack's default) font that I mentioned? And since the  
monospaced lines aren't a separate object from the text around them,  
can they have a property (which can belong to a property set)?

(Putting the monospaced lines into separate objects would be quite a  
mess, especially since they're embedded in scrolling fields, all of  
which I would then have to turn into scrolling groups instead, on  
dozens and dozens of cards.)

Any guidance welcome.

Charles Hartman
Professor of English, Poet in Residence
Connecticut College
charles.hartman at conncoll.edu
*the Scandroid* is at cherry.conncoll.edu/cohar/Programs







From revdan at danshafer.com  Tue Jul  5 23:14:12 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 20:14:12 -0700
Subject: mySQL database query
In-Reply-To: <68361138-A6EB-4348-BE90-133203E08139@mac.com>
References: <68361138-A6EB-4348-BE90-133203E08139@mac.com>
Message-ID: <FEE0579D-E8A1-400D-AA09-9B5A09926D65@danshafer.com>

James....

What constitutes "the correct data" to display after the deletion?  
Empty fields? Previous record? Next record? In some sort of sort  
sequence?

Once you can define that, I think writing a bit of Transcript to give  
you what you want is pretty easy but there's no sort of de facto rule  
about what the display should show after a record is deleted.

Dan

On Jul 5, 2005, at 6:59 PM, James Spencer wrote:

> As long as we are talking about mySQL, is there a way to  
> programatically refresh a database query?  I have a master/detail  
> form which includes a button to delete the currently selected  
> record and this works fine insofar as it deletes the record from  
> the database but the fields and table all still show the record I  
> just deleted.  I can "manually" refresh using a button tied to the  
> refresh SQL action but I would like to force the refresh upon  
> deletion of the record.  I can't find a transcript command which  
> will force the tied fields to show the correct data without the  
> additional user action of clicking another button.
>
> James P. Spencer
> Rochester, MN
>
> jspencer78 at mac.com
>
> "Badges??  We don't need no stinkin badges!"
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From ps1 at softseven.org  Tue Jul  5 23:40:25 2005
From: ps1 at softseven.org (Paul Salyers)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 22:40:25 -0500
Subject: Voice command
In-Reply-To: <FEE0579D-E8A1-400D-AA09-9B5A09926D65@danshafer.com>
References: <68361138-A6EB-4348-BE90-133203E08139@mac.com>
	<FEE0579D-E8A1-400D-AA09-9B5A09926D65@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20050705223614.03315480@softseven.org>




Does Rev have any kind of voice command where I could speak into a mic and 
the spoken words will print in a text box?

Also interested in having where the speakers/head pones will play what is 
to be read by the user from a varabels .

any help here?


Paul Salyers
PS1 - Senior Rep.
PS1 at softseven.org
Http://ps1.SoftSeven.org  




From revdan at danshafer.com  Wed Jul  6 01:27:21 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 22:27:21 -0700
Subject: Voice command
In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20050705223614.03315480@softseven.org>
References: <68361138-A6EB-4348-BE90-133203E08139@mac.com>
	<FEE0579D-E8A1-400D-AA09-9B5A09926D65@danshafer.com>
	<6.1.1.1.2.20050705223614.03315480@softseven.org>
Message-ID: <26A6D83C-AF36-498F-AF1D-380756B5146E@danshafer.com>

Not sure how this would be handled in Rev, but OS X has these  
capabilities in some form or another.

I'm experimenting with a new program called iListen that claims to  
take dictation and voice commands for OS X.

Dan

On Jul 5, 2005, at 8:40 PM, Paul Salyers wrote:

>
>
>
> Does Rev have any kind of voice command where I could speak into a  
> mic and the spoken words will print in a text box?
>
> Also interested in having where the speakers/head pones will play  
> what is to be read by the user from a varabels .
>
> any help here?
>
>
> Paul Salyers
> PS1 - Senior Rep.
> PS1 at softseven.org
> Http://ps1.SoftSeven.org
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed Jul  6 02:07:33 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 08:07:33 +0200
Subject: Setting fonts
In-Reply-To: <D03B5E31-6907-45C8-B296-AF00E9B46272@conncoll.edu>
References: <D03B5E31-6907-45C8-B296-AF00E9B46272@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <70416265-46BA-4688-8877-4DE2991B93A2@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Charles,

Some clues which can help:

1. Combining a specified font and a "not specified" font:
If you have a field with no font specified (use owner's font) and  
then you set the font for some lines, for instance, to Courier New  
(selecting these lines and choosing the right font in the Text menu).
Then when you set the textFont of the stack (by script or in the  
properties inspector), only lines which use owner's font will change:  
they will appear in the specified font but the lines previously set  
in Courier New will stay unchanged.
This way assumes that the monospaced font you use is the same on all  
platforms and other texts may change (or the opposite).

To implement the feature, you can use a switch (or if/then/else)  
structure in a preOpenStack handler:

on preOpenStack
   switch the platform
   case "MacOS"
     set the textFont of this stack to x
     break
   case "Win32"
     set the textFont of this stack to y
     break
   default
     answerNotSupported :-)
   end switch
end preOpenStack

Note: If you have many other things to change according to the  
platform, you might be interested in switching profiles.

2. Using "cross-platform" fonts:
For Mac OS X and Win XP, you can use fonts available on both  
platform: Arial, Comic sans MS, Courier New, Georgia,  Tahoma,  
Textile, Times or Verdana (may be I missed one or two).
Then the problem is gone :-)

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

Le 6 juil. 05 ? 05:07, Charles Hartman a ?crit :

> This Dreamcard stack will need to run under the Player on both Mac  
> (where I'm writing it) and Windows. The app centers on many cards  
> that are full of information, usually in a scrolling text field.  
> Most of the text in the field uses whatever I set as the font for  
> the main stack (obviously) -- Palatino on Mac, probably Times New  
> Roman on Windows. Certain lines within the text on many cards need  
> to be in a monospaced font (Courier on Mac, Courier New on Windows).
>
> So two linked questions: What's the best way to set the overall  
> font in a script for the main stack (in an "if the platform is"  
> structure presumably)? I notice that if I just set the font for the  
> main stack (for example, from the message box), it changes on all  
> the cards as expected, though of course not in the lines specified  
> with a particular font (Courier) -- but ALSO not AFTER that text  
> that's marked off for Courier. So that "if the platform is" doesn't  
> seem to be be thorough enough. And then, how do I set the font for  
> the monospaced lines on all cards?
>
> I suppose the stupid brute-force method would be (on opening the  
> main stack) to loop through all lines in the text in all relevant  
> fields in all cards in all substacks. Slow & absurd. Should I be  
> looking at property sets instead? (That *sounds* right, but I don't  
> really understand it yet.) Will this get around the inconsistency  
> in the "main" (stack's default) font that I mentioned? And since  
> the monospaced lines aren't a separate object from the text around  
> them, can they have a property (which can belong to a property set)?
>
> (Putting the monospaced lines into separate objects would be quite  
> a mess, especially since they're embedded in scrolling fields, all  
> of which I would then have to turn into scrolling groups instead,  
> on dozens and dozens of cards.)

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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  6 03:44:41 2005
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 00:44:41 -0700
Subject: Voice command
In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20050705223614.03315480@softseven.org>
Message-ID: <BEF0D9F9.2A87D%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Paul,

Look at the speakable commands.
Not only are a file, a Finder command, (and more) speakable, but
Applescripts can be run by command.  This would mean that many complex
operations are possible for interacting with a Rev stack.

If you turn on Speakable Items, two of the applescripts used are
"Minimize all windows" & "Show all windows" for the Finder

Double click on the file icons in folder "Speakable Items" in a Finder
window and you will see the Script Editor open.  Now add that Rev can "hear"
the tell commands and send shell commands, and this might get part of what
you want.

This is not a dictation software.
One example I use is "Menu" spoken invokes the following Keyboard Shortcut
found in System Preferences .. Focus on Menu as ctrl-F2
Receipe :
Open System Prefs->Keyboard&Mouse>Keyboard Shortcuts
Turn off Focus on Menu ctrl F2
-1- speak "Define a keyboard command"
-2- type ctrl-F2
-3- type the word "menu"
-4- click OK
Turn on Focus on Menu again if you want to use this
Now speaking 'menu' will focus on the menu, allowing arrow keys, tab, home,
end, pgup, pgdn to navigate the menu

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 7/5/05 8:40 PM, "Paul Salyers" <ps1 at softseven.org> wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> Does Rev have any kind of voice command where I could speak into a mic and
> the spoken words will print in a text box?
> 
> Also interested in having where the speakers/head pones will play what is
> to be read by the user from a varabels .
> 
> any help here?
> 
> 
> Paul Salyers
> PS1 - Senior Rep.
> PS1 at softseven.org
> Http://ps1.SoftSeven.org
> 
> 
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From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Wed Jul  6 04:29:33 2005
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 09:29:33 +0100
Subject: Setting a Group as a Background
In-Reply-To: <F0F33C73-2ADB-44E9-B510-8651E798E4F9@genesearch.com.au>
References: <D5140051-EEFA-466A-9DEB-A6DCFAB0916F@writeme.com>
	<A689EA87-A2FF-4457-B02B-254844953F0C@writeme.com>
	<a05210600bef09ec6d586@[192.168.80.101]>
	<F0F33C73-2ADB-44E9-B510-8651E798E4F9@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <a05210601bef1465732d2@[192.168.80.101]>

Hi,

I couldn't get the Group back that I lost last night, so I re-entered 
it all, took until 2 am!  I now have another problem, the Group was a 
"Background" and now that I have re-entered it, I can't it it to 
appear on the other cards in the stack. Do I have to delete and 
recreate all the other cards in the Stack?????

Help!

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave


From xbury.cs at clearstream.com  Wed Jul  6 04:33:23 2005
From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 10:33:23 +0200
Subject: Setting a Group as a Background
In-Reply-To: <a05210601bef1465732d2@[192.168.80.101]>
Message-ID: <OFA15BA66B.48405D0F-ONC1257036.002EEF68-C1257036.002EF0EA@deutsche-boerse.com>

Hi Dave,

That's the story... But you can use the "Place" command to place your 
group on different cards if you want.
Should be an easy script...

Look at "place" in the revdocs... That's where i found it...

cheers
Xavier

On 06/07/2005 10:29:33 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I couldn't get the Group back that I lost last night, so I re-entered
>it all, took until 2 am!  I now have another problem, the Group was a
>"Background" and now that I have re-entered it, I can't it it to
>appear on the other cards in the stack. Do I have to delete and
>recreate all the other cards in the Stack?????
>
>Help!
>
>Thanks a lot
>All the Best
>Dave
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From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Wed Jul  6 05:50:45 2005
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 10:50:45 +0100
Subject: Setting a Group as a Background
In-Reply-To: <OFA15BA66B.48405D0F-ONC1257036.002EEF68-C1257036.002EF0EA@deutsche-boerse
	.com>
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	.com>
Message-ID: <a05210602bef159ccc54f@[192.168.80.101]>

Hi,

Phew! I hope that works, will try it in a minute!

Thanks for the tip

All the Best
Dave

>Hi Dave,
>
>That's the story... But you can use the "Place" command to place your
>group on different cards if you want.
>Should be an easy script...
>
>Look at "place" in the revdocs... That's where i found it...
>
>cheers
>Xavier
>
>On 06/07/2005 10:29:33 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>>Hi,
>>
>>I couldn't get the Group back that I lost last night, so I re-entered
>>it all, took until 2 am!  I now have another problem, the Group was a
>>"Background" and now that I have re-entered it, I can't it it to
>>appear on the other cards in the stack. Do I have to delete and
>>recreate all the other cards in the Stack?????
>>
>>Help!
>>
>>Thanks a lot
>>All the Best
>>Dave
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From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Wed Jul  6 05:52:26 2005
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 10:52:26 +0100
Subject: Difference between "field" and "label"
Message-ID: <a05210603bef15a02d1ef@[192.168.80.101]>

Hi,

I need to distinguish between a "field" (enterable) and a "label" 
(non enterable). They are alll just fields in RunRev, is there a 
recommended way for a script to tell the difference?

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave


From cnscd_dan at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  6 05:53:40 2005
From: cnscd_dan at yahoo.com (Dan Ianciac)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 02:53:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: (no subject)
Message-ID: <20050706095340.50955.qmail@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

 
 

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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed Jul  6 05:58:39 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 11:58:39 +0200
Subject: Difference between "field" and "label"
In-Reply-To: <a05210603bef15a02d1ef@[192.168.80.101]>
References: <a05210603bef15a02d1ef@[192.168.80.101]>
Message-ID: <4FAB1907-AB30-40CA-9BD4-F8A189178F74@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Dave,

Both are fields but their properties do not share the same status:  
locktext, dontWrap, traversalOn, opaque, text alignment, etc.
You could make a new stack, create a label field and an editable  
field then open at the same time (by locking the padlock) both  
properties palettes and study the differences at ease :-)

Le 6 juil. 05 ? 11:52, David Burgun a ?crit :

> I need to distinguish between a "field" (enterable) and a  
> "label" (non enterable). They are alll just fields in RunRev, is  
> there a recommended way for a script to tell the difference?


Best Regards from Paris,

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From mark at maseurope.net  Wed Jul  6 06:03:39 2005
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 11:03:39 +0100
Subject: Difference between "field" and "label"
In-Reply-To: <a05210603bef15a02d1ef@[192.168.80.101]>
References: <a05210603bef15a02d1ef@[192.168.80.101]>
Message-ID: <f5b9f112ebd9bca43219754624b2a22e@maseurope.net>

When you create the field, if you chose a label field from the palette, 
it will, by default, have a name like "Label Field". If you've not 
renamed it, and assuming that none of your editable fields have the 
word "Label" in their name, you can use < if "Label" is in the name of 
field x then >, otherwise, you'll have to go and rename them all...

Or, assuming that all your editable fields have their lockText property 
set to false, you could use that as a test...


Cheers,

Mark

On 6 Jul 2005, at 10:52, David Burgun wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I need to distinguish between a "field" (enterable) and a "label" (non 
> enterable). They are alll just fields in RunRev, is there a 
> recommended way for a script to tell the difference?
>
> Thanks a lot
> All the Best
> Dave
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From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Wed Jul  6 08:03:39 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 08:03:39 -0400
Subject: Setting fonts
In-Reply-To: <70416265-46BA-4688-8877-4DE2991B93A2@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <D03B5E31-6907-45C8-B296-AF00E9B46272@conncoll.edu>
	<70416265-46BA-4688-8877-4DE2991B93A2@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <F7CDC7C5-E523-4A24-9520-759FD1119443@conncoll.edu>

Yes, that's what I'm doing. However, as I said, the text _after_ the  
specified-font text does _not_ switch to the altered owner's font.

Let me clarifiy: a field contains a dozen lines, let's say; the first  
six and last four have been created using Palatino, with Palatino as  
the stack font, so there's no font specification on any of those  
lines. Lines 7-8 have had their Text Formatting properties altered so  
their font is specified as Courier. Now in the main stack's script I  
insert the line "set the textfont of me to 'Arial'" and save and  
close the stack and its substacks and reopen. Now on that example  
card, in that field, lines 1-6 are Arial, 7-8 are Courier (all as  
expected) -- but lines 9-12 are still in Palatino.

I'm beginning to think this is a bug. I'll file a BZ on it. Any ideas  
on workarounds meanwhile? That don't involve iterating over all lines  
in all fields on all cards??

Charles Hartman


On Jul 6, 2005, at 2:07 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> 1. Combining a specified font and a "not specified" font:
> If you have a field with no font specified (use owner's font) and  
> then you set the font for some lines, for instance, to Courier New  
> (selecting these lines and choosing the right font in the Text menu).
> Then when you set the textFont of the stack (by script or in the  
> properties inspector), only lines which use owner's font will  
> change: they will appear in the specified font but the lines  
> previously set in Courier New will stay unchanged.
>

Charles Hartman
Professor of English, Poet in Residence
Connecticut College
charles.hartman at conncoll.edu
*the Scandroid* is at cherry.conncoll.edu/cohar/Programs







From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed Jul  6 08:22:47 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 14:22:47 +0200
Subject: Setting fonts
In-Reply-To: <F7CDC7C5-E523-4A24-9520-759FD1119443@conncoll.edu>
References: <D03B5E31-6907-45C8-B296-AF00E9B46272@conncoll.edu>
	<70416265-46BA-4688-8877-4DE2991B93A2@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<F7CDC7C5-E523-4A24-9520-759FD1119443@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <EE6DB0C4-CFC5-4826-B97C-BBEF19C3C1CF@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Charles,

What version of Rev do you use?
Which platform?

Here it's working:
First, you set all textfont specs of any field, card and stack to empty.
You paste a text in any field.
You select the text and set its textfont to "Use Owner's Font" (empty)
You select the lines you want to be in another font as Courier and  
set them.
Now you set the textfont of the stack to any font and all lines the  
textfont of which were empty adopt the specified font (your 9-12  
lines included).
You can change the textfont stack and it's going to work.
You can save and reopen the stack: all is perfect.

Rev 2.6 Mac OS X10.4.1

Le 6 juil. 05 ? 14:03, Charles Hartman a ?crit :

> Yes, that's what I'm doing. However, as I said, the text _after_  
> the specified-font text does _not_ switch to the altered owner's font.
>
> Let me clarifiy: a field contains a dozen lines, let's say; the  
> first six and last four have been created using Palatino, with  
> Palatino as the stack font, so there's no font specification on any  
> of those lines. Lines 7-8 have had their Text Formatting properties  
> altered so their font is specified as Courier. Now in the main  
> stack's script I insert the line "set the textfont of me to  
> 'Arial'" and save and close the stack and its substacks and reopen.  
> Now on that example card, in that field, lines 1-6 are Arial, 7-8  
> are Courier (all as expected) -- but lines 9-12 are still in Palatino.
>
> I'm beginning to think this is a bug. I'll file a BZ on it. Any  
> ideas on workarounds meanwhile? That don't involve iterating over  
> all lines in all fields on all cards??

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Wed Jul  6 08:58:11 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 08:58:11 -0400
Subject: Voice command
In-Reply-To: <26A6D83C-AF36-498F-AF1D-380756B5146E@danshafer.com>
References: <68361138-A6EB-4348-BE90-133203E08139@mac.com>
	<FEE0579D-E8A1-400D-AA09-9B5A09926D65@danshafer.com>
	<6.1.1.1.2.20050705223614.03315480@softseven.org>
	<26A6D83C-AF36-498F-AF1D-380756B5146E@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <4f73e27e1bb44503ef6c21a99d18377e@adelphia.net>

Dragon PRO is very good and crossplatform to boot.

tom

On Jul 6, 2005, at 1:27 AM, Dan Shafer wrote:

> Not sure how this would be handled in Rev, but OS X has these 
> capabilities in some form or another.
>
> I'm experimenting with a new program called iListen that claims to 
> take dictation and voice commands for OS X.
>
> Dan
>
> On Jul 5, 2005, at 8:40 PM, Paul Salyers wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Does Rev have any kind of voice command where I could speak into a 
>> mic and the spoken words will print in a text box?
>>
>> Also interested in having where the speakers/head pones will play 
>> what is to be read by the user from a varabels .
>>
>> any help here?
>>
>>
>> Paul Salyers
>> PS1 - Senior Rep.
>> PS1 at softseven.org
>> Http://ps1.SoftSeven.org
>>
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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Wed Jul  6 09:01:04 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 09:01:04 -0400
Subject: (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <20050706095340.50955.qmail@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20050706095340.50955.qmail@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6e13ce8019feb71b7398558dcf4df05d@adelphia.net>


On Jul 6, 2005, at 5:53 AM, Dan Ianciac wrote:

>
>



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed Jul  6 09:03:42 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 15:03:42 +0200
Subject: (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <6e13ce8019feb71b7398558dcf4df05d@adelphia.net>
References: <20050706095340.50955.qmail@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<6e13ce8019feb71b7398558dcf4df05d@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <6E4D5EBA-0DFE-4F24-983E-F5CBC0B01B97@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi tom,

Your answer is as terse as the question :-)
Since the subject is no subject... you are perfectly right!

Le 6 juil. 05 ? 15:01, Thomas McGrath III a ?crit :

> On Jul 6, 2005, at 5:53 AM, Dan Ianciac wrote:
>
>
>>
>>
>

Best Regards from Paris,

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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Wed Jul  6 09:11:23 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 09:11:23 -0400
Subject: (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <6E4D5EBA-0DFE-4F24-983E-F5CBC0B01B97@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <20050706095340.50955.qmail@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<6e13ce8019feb71b7398558dcf4df05d@adelphia.net>
	<6E4D5EBA-0DFE-4F24-983E-F5CBC0B01B97@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <37f326f3872b8ebf49bc35155dc1046d@adelphia.net>

Eric,

It felt like I was saying a lot in my reply. You have to read between 
the lines! :-)


On Jul 6, 2005, at 9:03 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi tom,
>
> Your answer is as terse as the question :-)
> Since the subject is no subject... you are perfectly right!
>
> Le 6 juil. 05 ? 15:01, Thomas McGrath III a ?crit :
>
>> On Jul 6, 2005, at 5:53 AM, Dan Ianciac wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> Best Regards from Paris,
>
> Eric Chatonet.



From jspencer78 at charter.net  Tue Jul  5 21:52:20 2005
From: jspencer78 at charter.net (James Spencer)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 20:52:20 -0500
Subject: mySQL database query refreshing
Message-ID: <8B10F417-65FB-4D3D-894E-A2C2E2917B8E@charter.net>

As long as we are talking about mySQL, is there a way to  
programatically refresh a database query?  I have a master/detail  
form which includes a button to delete the currently selected record  
and this works fine insofar as it deletes the record from the  
database but the fields and table all still show the record I just  
deleted.  I can "manually" refresh s using a button tied to the  
refresh SQL action but I would like to force the refresh upon  
deletion of the record.  I don't see either a rev command which will  
force the tied fields to show the correct data without the additional  
user action of clicking another button.

James P. Spencer
Rochester, MN

jspencer78 at charter.net

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From richmond at mail.maclaunch.com  Mon Jul  4 13:25:21 2005
From: richmond at mail.maclaunch.com (Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 13:25:21 -0400
Subject: How I embedded a Movie in a Scrolling Text File
Message-ID: <web-334041023@mail.maclaunch.com>

OK, OK, I tell a lie: But a pretty good one:

I have just uploaded to my website (Click on the button
"SCROLLER COASTER" ON THE PAFE 'fILES') a stack
that contains a scrollable GROUP containing a
(non-scrollable) text FIELD, an IMAGE that links to a
VIDEOCLIP, and a BUTTON that links to an AUDIOCLIP.

Foolishly, I forgot to set the LOCKLOCATION of the group to
TRUE, so it may go all 'wonky' with you: if so set the
group's dimensions to 450 wide by 300 high - and, please
don't fiddle with any of the embedded objects.

Look forward to feedback, sincerely, Richmond

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From ms1 at soas.ac.uk  Wed Jul  6 09:48:42 2005
From: ms1 at soas.ac.uk (Muaadh salih)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 14:48:42 +0100
Subject: Animation Builder
Message-ID: <a06200700bef190c64aeb@[195.195.177.148]>

Coming back to revolution 2.6 , having left using it when in version 
2.0, I  could not find the
animation Builder ( within the tool menu) .
Has it been repalced ? if so with what ? or been given anther name 
and tucked somewhere ?
any help ?!!

-- 



All the best



Muaadh Salih
SOAS
Department of Near & Middle Eastern Studies
Tel . +44 (0)2078984354


From jspencer78 at mac.com  Wed Jul  6 10:14:07 2005
From: jspencer78 at mac.com (James Spencer)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 09:14:07 -0500
Subject: mySQL database query
In-Reply-To: <FEE0579D-E8A1-400D-AA09-9B5A09926D65@danshafer.com>
References: <68361138-A6EB-4348-BE90-133203E08139@mac.com>
	<FEE0579D-E8A1-400D-AA09-9B5A09926D65@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <70122D56-C49C-4F81-8884-80B03B6ADED6@mac.com>

I think if I saw any one of these variations on "correct data" I  
could figure out how to do the others but my instinctive answer would  
be the previous record (or the new first record if the first record  
were the one deleted.)  My first go at this isn't fussy; I just  
"know" that leaving a record displayed that isn't in the database any  
more is probably "wrong".  (I haven't even looked at sorting the  
records yet.)

Thanks much for helping this newby to dbs.

Spence

James P. Spencer
Rochester, MN

jspencer78 at charter.net

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On Jul 5, 2005, at 10:14 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:

> James....
>
> What constitutes "the correct data" to display after the deletion?  
> Empty fields? Previous record? Next record? In some sort of sort  
> sequence?
>
> Once you can define that, I think writing a bit of Transcript to  
> give you what you want is pretty easy but there's no sort of de  
> facto rule about what the display should show after a record is  
> deleted.
>
> Dan
>
> On Jul 5, 2005, at 6:59 PM, James Spencer wrote:
>
>
>> As long as we are talking about mySQL, is there a way to  
>> programatically refresh a database query?  I have a master/detail  
>> form which includes a button to delete the currently selected  
>> record and this works fine insofar as it deletes the record from  
>> the database but the fields and table all still show the record I  
>> just deleted.  I can "manually" refresh using a button tied to the  
>> refresh SQL action but I would like to force the refresh upon  
>> deletion of the record.  I can't find a transcript command which  
>> will force the tied fields to show the correct data without the  
>> additional user action of clicking another button.
>>
>


From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Wed Jul  6 10:14:30 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 10:14:30 -0400
Subject: Voice command
In-Reply-To: <4f73e27e1bb44503ef6c21a99d18377e@adelphia.net>
References: <68361138-A6EB-4348-BE90-133203E08139@mac.com>
	<FEE0579D-E8A1-400D-AA09-9B5A09926D65@danshafer.com>
	<6.1.1.1.2.20050705223614.03315480@softseven.org>
	<26A6D83C-AF36-498F-AF1D-380756B5146E@danshafer.com>
	<4f73e27e1bb44503ef6c21a99d18377e@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <671793836ab0b1a5823c6d9ca23c8cde@adelphia.net>

I also have a stack in my user space in RevOnline called "Say and 
Listen in Rev using Applescript" which shows how to listen in Rev.

Tom

On Jul 6, 2005, at 8:58 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> Dragon PRO is very good and crossplatform to boot.
>
> tom
>
> On Jul 6, 2005, at 1:27 AM, Dan Shafer wrote:
>
>> Not sure how this would be handled in Rev, but OS X has these 
>> capabilities in some form or another.
>>
>> I'm experimenting with a new program called iListen that claims to 
>> take dictation and voice commands for OS X.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> On Jul 5, 2005, at 8:40 PM, Paul Salyers wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Does Rev have any kind of voice command where I could speak into a 
>>> mic and the spoken words will print in a text box?
>>>
>>> Also interested in having where the speakers/head pones will play 
>>> what is to be read by the user from a varabels .
>>>
>>> any help here?
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul Salyers
>>> PS1 - Senior Rep.
>>> PS1 at softseven.org
>>> Http://ps1.SoftSeven.org
>>>
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>
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed Jul  6 10:19:56 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:19:56 +0200
Subject: Animation Builder
In-Reply-To: <a06200700bef190c64aeb@[195.195.177.148]>
References: <a06200700bef190c64aeb@[195.195.177.148]>
Message-ID: <2184EED1-8909-45FC-9BB0-18799C90A3AE@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Muaadh,

The animation builder is no longer a part of the Rev IDE but you can  
find it in the Unsupported Stacks package by going to:
http://support.runrev.com/resources/unsupported.php

Le 6 juil. 05 ? 15:48, Muaadh salih a ?crit :

> Coming back to revolution 2.6 , having left using it when in  
> version 2.0, I  could not find the
> animation Builder ( within the tool menu) .
> Has it been repalced ? if so with what ? or been given anther name  
> and tucked somewhere ?
> any help ?!!


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From YourSignup at Yahoo.com  Wed Jul  6 10:54:45 2005
From: YourSignup at Yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 04:54:45 -1000
Subject: Managing substacks - best way?
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEHNHIAA.YourSignup@Yahoo.com>

Hi all,

Lets say you create a substack or someone shares a stack with a library or
other type of substack that you want to incorporate in other projects.
What's the best way to separate out that substack from the original Main
stack (without actually separating it from the original project by setting
it's main stack to itself) and then, adding it to another project?

I've been setting the substack to a main stack of itself. Saving the
substack. Closing the original main stack without save. Opening a new main
stack. Opening what was the substack. Setting the main stack of the opened
former substack to the new main stack. Kind of a PITA (Pain In The A__).
Isn't there a better way?

Jim


From m.young at mac.com  Wed Jul  6 10:57:40 2005
From: m.young at mac.com (Michael Young)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 08:57:40 -0600
Subject: Voice command
In-Reply-To: <20050706125341.E44D9824943@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050706125341.E44D9824943@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <36296311dbbca70d5e67af9af51e46c4@mac.com>

Paul,

The question "Does Rev have any kind of voice command where I could  
speak into mic and the spoken words will print in a text box?" sounds  
like you are asking RR to do voice recognition. IMHO, it is unrealistic  
to expect RR to have voice recognition capability. I mean as best as I  
can tell even IBM gave up on VR on the desktop.

Dragon Pro used to be cross platform, but it is not currently.
http://www.dragonsys.com/
http://knowledgebase.scansoft.com/view.asp?tnID=4959&sQuery=macintosh

IBM ViaVoice is still available on Macintosh in addition to Windows,  
but when I have tried to move voice files between Macintosh and Windows  
it has not worked. So VV is not really cross platform. Plus VV does not  
appear to be actively developed since IBM dumped VV off to Scansoft  
that long ago bought Dragon Systems.
http://www.dragonsys.com/viavoice/

iListen is a Macintosh only product
http://www.macspeech.com/
, by a Mac only company.
http://www.macspeech.com/company/

However I have grave doubts about the long term viability of MacSpeech  
and iListen, since they have been hinting/promising/etc. for several  
years that they will develop medical, legal and etc. vocabularies  
(needed to improve VR out of the box) and it has not happened.
http://macspeech.crmhelp.net/index.php? 
_a=knowledgebase&_j=rate&_i=56&type=yes
http://macspeech.crmhelp.net/index.php? 
_a=knowledgebase&_j=questiondetails&_i=56

OTOH, MacSpeech does keep developing add-on products for more main  
stream applications so there still may be hope. :-)
http://macspeech.crmhelp.net/index.php? 
_a=knowledgebase&_j=questiondetails&_i=82&nav=+%26gt%3B+%3Ca+href%3D%27i 
ndex.php%3F_a%3Dknowledgebase%26_j%3Dsubcat%26_i%3D1%27%3EPre%2FPost+Sal 
es+Questions%3C%2Fa%3E
http://www.macspeech.com/store/default.php? 
cPath=3&osCsid_private=d47e7d12c82ca38df389633404b73248

HTH,

Michael

On Jul 6, 2005, at 6:53 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

> Dragon PRO is very good and crossplatform to boot.
>
> tom
>
> On Jul 6, 2005, at 1:27 AM, Dan Shafer wrote:
>
>> Not sure how this would be handled in Rev, but OS X has these
>> capabilities in some form or another.
>>
>> I'm experimenting with a new program called iListen that claims to
>> take dictation and voice commands for OS X.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> On Jul 5, 2005, at 8:40 PM, Paul Salyers wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Does Rev have any kind of voice command where I could speak into a
>>> mic and the spoken words will print in a text box?
>>>
>>> Also interested in having where the speakers/head pones will play
>>> what is to be read by the user from a varabels .
>>>
>>> any help here?
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul Salyers
>>> PS1 - Senior Rep.
>>> PS1 at softseven.org
>>> Http://ps1.SoftSeven.org



From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Wed Jul  6 10:58:47 2005
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 10:58:47 -0400
Subject: PDFs in QT Player -- Hot Links Challenge
Message-ID: <OFB8306144.DBE6D844-ON85257036.00515829@sealedair.com>

> Aiyo! (Lamentations)
> 
> Windows won't play PDFs in QT...
> 
> Richard: did that windows machine have QT 7 for Windows loaded?
> 
> I'm sure you know this already but Apple just released QT with H.264
> format capabilities for Windows just a few weeks ago... so I just
> wanted to check if this was happening in the latest QT,
> 
> Dan: in the top of the open dialog box when clicking the browse
> button in a Rev QT Player, it defaults to "QuickTime Movie",  just
> choose "All Files"  and then the PDF files will be available as a
> file choice (OSX).
> 
> But the "not on Windows"  really a show stopper for this project.  We
> will call our friends at Apple tomorrow and beg!
> 
> Sivakatirswami

Since you probably don't need to edit the PDF, you can use the shareware 
Ghostscript to convert a PDF via command-line to a displayable GIF, JPG, 
PNG or other raster format that Revolution will accept.

The syntax is like so:

gswin32c.exe -sDEVICE=png16 -r72 -sOutputFile=MyOutput.png MyInput.pdf

And of course you can do this with Rev's shell capability, then load the 
resulting image for display.

Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed Jul  6 10:59:25 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:59:25 +0200
Subject: Managing substacks - best way?
In-Reply-To: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEHNHIAA.YourSignup@Yahoo.com>
References: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEHNHIAA.YourSignup@Yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6B4EB1BC-0A93-475E-BAD8-B1E2CE390417@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Jim,

1. Clone the substack (it will be a mainstack named copy of <substack  
name>)
2. set it as a substack of another mainStack
3. Change its name (be careful with conflicts when 2 stacks/substacks  
have the same name)

Hope this helps.

Le 6 juil. 05 ? 16:54, Jim Bufalini a ?crit :

> Lets say you create a substack or someone shares a stack with a  
> library or
> other type of substack that you want to incorporate in other projects.
> What's the best way to separate out that substack from the original  
> Main
> stack (without actually separating it from the original project by  
> setting
> it's main stack to itself) and then, adding it to another project?
>
> I've been setting the substack to a main stack of itself. Saving the
> substack. Closing the original main stack without save. Opening a  
> new main
> stack. Opening what was the substack. Setting the main stack of the  
> opened
> former substack to the new main stack. Kind of a PITA (Pain In The  
> A__).
> Isn't there a better way?

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From b.xavier at internet.lu  Wed Jul  6 11:01:26 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 17:01:26 +0200
Subject: Managing substacks - best way?
In-Reply-To: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEHNHIAA.YourSignup@Yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050706145530.03DDB82491E@mail.runrev.com>

Hi Jim, 

> Hi all,
> 
> Lets say you create a substack or someone shares a stack with 
> a library or other type of substack that you want to 
> incorporate in other projects.
> What's the best way to separate out that substack from the 
> original Main stack (without actually separating it from the 
> original project by setting it's main stack to itself) and 
> then, adding it to another project?

Just open the substack, and clone it (you dont need to open it actually but
it might save a couple errors trying to clone the thing.

After that, it's important to change the name. All your images have changed
IDs too (if im correct).

And save... 

> I've been setting the substack to a main stack of itself. 
> Saving the substack. Closing the original main stack without 
> save. Opening a new main stack. Opening what was the 
> substack. Setting the main stack of the opened former 
> substack to the new main stack. Kind of a PITA (Pain In The A__).
> Isn't there a better way?
> 
> Jim
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From tominjapan at excite.com  Wed Jul  6 11:13:58 2005
From: tominjapan at excite.com (Thomas McCarthy)
Date: Wed,  6 Jul 2005 11:13:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: cgi trouble
Message-ID: <20050706151358.DB59FB981@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com>


Excited--just got my first rev cgi 'thing' up and running
Sad--problems arise

I keep getting 404 errors "requested resource not found".

Here's the situation:

call cgi-> it starts a stack and gets a html form with a prompt
enter some info and press "submit" -> it sends the info to the same cgi script...and then trouble. I've played with the scipt for long enough trying to debug it. Here's my last attempt. It doesn't even try to use the rev stack, just put out the info.

#!revolution

on startup
 read from stdin until empty --I tried with "get" first.
 put it after tparam
 put "Password_trial.rev" into theStack
 start using theStack
 set the defaultstack to theStack
 if tparam is not empty then
  put the the passlog of stack theStack into x
  put "Content-Type: text/plain" & cr & cr & x & cr & tparam into tResult
 else
  put makepass() into tResult --this works, creates a form.
 end if
 put tResult
end startup


any suggestions would be most appreciated!
tom

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From tominjapan at excite.com  Wed Jul  6 11:24:14 2005
From: tominjapan at excite.com (Thomas McCarthy)
Date: Wed,  6 Jul 2005 11:24:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: cgi trouble
Message-ID: <20050706152414.E7D59B982@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com>


Hurray! I just fixed my own problem! (a little thing overlooked, naturally)

Now if I can only get rid of these annoying 500 errors!
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From rev at armbase.com  Wed Jul  6 11:26:43 2005
From: rev at armbase.com (rev at armbase.com)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 16:26:43 +0100
Subject: Managing substacks - best way?
In-Reply-To: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEHNHIAA.YourSignup@Yahoo.com>
References: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEHNHIAA.YourSignup@Yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1120663603.42cbf8337beef@webmail.armbase.com>

Quoting Jim Bufalini <YourSignup at Yahoo.com>:

> Hi all,
>
> Lets say you create a substack or someone shares a stack with a library or
> other type of substack that you want to incorporate in other projects.
> What's the best way to separate out that substack from the original Main
> stack (without actually separating it from the original project by setting
> it's main stack to itself) and then, adding it to another project?

I clone a substack of a .exe using this script.

global tStackName, tFileName
on doFileNew
  ask file "Name new database file:" with "MyDatabase.abd"
  if it is empty then exit to top
  put it into tFileName
  if char -4 to -1 of tFileName is not ".abd" then put ".abd" after tFileName
  set the itemDelimiter to "/"
  put last item of tFileName into tStackName

--Puts the filename you created into a variable that can be used to name the
stack later

  set the visible of stack "Master Database" to false
  clone stack "Master database"

-- so you dont see it popup on cloning


  set the name of stack it to tStackName
  set the title of stack tStackName to (char 1 to -5 of tStackName)
  set the minWidth of stack tStackName to 800
  set the minHeight of stack tStackName to 600
  set the fileName of stack tStackName to tFileName
  -- "tFileName" is the full pathname of the file the user named earlier.
  set the visible of stack "Master Database" to true
  put the stackFileType into tSaveStackFileType
  set the stackFileType to "RevoABD_"
  save stack tStackName
  set the stackFileType to tSaveStackFileType
  show stack tStackName
  toplevel stack tStackName
end doFileNew


I'm sure you can canibalise bits of this. I think I originally canibalised this
one from the list or bits from the employee database that came with earlier
versions of runrev.

hope ot is of use.

cheers
bob
>
> I've been setting the substack to a main stack of itself. Saving the
> substack. Closing the original main stack without save. Opening a new main
> stack. Opening what was the substack. Setting the main stack of the opened
> former substack to the new main stack. Kind of a PITA (Pain In The A__).
> Isn't there a better way?
>
> Jim
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From yoursignup at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  6 11:38:28 2005
From: yoursignup at yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 05:38:28 -1000
Subject: Managing substacks - best way?
In-Reply-To: <6B4EB1BC-0A93-475E-BAD8-B1E2CE390417@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLCEHPHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>

Hi Eric,

Can't find in the IDE clone a substack. Do you mean write a script?

Jim

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Chatonet
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 4:59 AM
To: YourSignup at Yahoo.com; How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Managing substacks - best way?


Hi Jim,

1. Clone the substack (it will be a mainstack named copy of <substack
name>)
2. set it as a substack of another mainStack
3. Change its name (be careful with conflicts when 2 stacks/substacks
have the same name)

Hope this helps.

Le 6 juil. 05 ? 16:54, Jim Bufalini a ?crit :

> Lets say you create a substack or someone shares a stack with a
> library or
> other type of substack that you want to incorporate in other projects.
> What's the best way to separate out that substack from the original
> Main
> stack (without actually separating it from the original project by
> setting
> it's main stack to itself) and then, adding it to another project?
>
> I've been setting the substack to a main stack of itself. Saving the
> substack. Closing the original main stack without save. Opening a
> new main
> stack. Opening what was the substack. Setting the main stack of the
> opened
> former substack to the new main stack. Kind of a PITA (Pain In The
> A__).
> Isn't there a better way?

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed Jul  6 11:45:07 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 17:45:07 +0200
Subject: Managing substacks - best way?
In-Reply-To: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLCEHPHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
References: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLCEHPHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <299C1E8C-D647-420C-B078-78E7B9CAA17E@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Jim,

Have a look at the clone command in the docs:

Duplicates an object.

clone the selectedObject
clone player "Hard Day's Night"
clone this card
clone stack <substack name> (A substack is a stack too)

If the object is a stack, the newly created stack is opened. It is  
named "Copy of" and the stack's name.
The clone command places the long id property of the newly created  
object in the it variable.

You can type it in the message box (or do it script :-)

Le 6 juil. 05 ? 17:38, Jim Bufalini a ?crit :

> Hi Eric,
>
> Can't find in the IDE clone a substack. Do you mean write a script?
>
> Jim


Best Regards from Paris,

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From jbondy at sover.net  Wed Jul  6 12:11:37 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 12:11:37 -0400
Subject: PDFs in QT Player -- Hot Links Challenge
In-Reply-To: <OFB8306144.DBE6D844-ON85257036.00515829@sealedair.com>
References: <OFB8306144.DBE6D844-ON85257036.00515829@sealedair.com>
Message-ID: <42CC02B9.1060505@sover.net>

I'm confused: if all you want to do is see a PDF, you can use Acrobat...

Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote:

>>Aiyo! (Lamentations)
>>
>>Windows won't play PDFs in QT...
>>
>>Richard: did that windows machine have QT 7 for Windows loaded?
>>
>>I'm sure you know this already but Apple just released QT with H.264
>>format capabilities for Windows just a few weeks ago... so I just
>>wanted to check if this was happening in the latest QT,
>>
>>Dan: in the top of the open dialog box when clicking the browse
>>button in a Rev QT Player, it defaults to "QuickTime Movie",  just
>>choose "All Files"  and then the PDF files will be available as a
>>file choice (OSX).
>>
>>But the "not on Windows"  really a show stopper for this project.  We
>>will call our friends at Apple tomorrow and beg!
>>
>>Sivakatirswami
>>    
>>
>
>Since you probably don't need to edit the PDF, you can use the shareware 
>Ghostscript to convert a PDF via command-line to a displayable GIF, JPG, 
>PNG or other raster format that Revolution will accept.
>
>The syntax is like so:
>
>gswin32c.exe -sDEVICE=png16 -r72 -sOutputFile=MyOutput.png MyInput.pdf
>
>And of course you can do this with Rev's shell capability, then load the 
>resulting image for display.
>
>Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com
>
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>  
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From see3d at writeme.com  Wed Jul  6 12:15:59 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 12:15:59 -0400
Subject: Stack Level Local/Globals
In-Reply-To: <A689EA87-A2FF-4457-B02B-254844953F0C@writeme.com>
References: <D5140051-EEFA-466A-9DEB-A6DCFAB0916F@writeme.com>
	<A689EA87-A2FF-4457-B02B-254844953F0C@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <87F43118-8E00-4034-A2D8-5A3AEC74164A@writeme.com>


On Jul 6, 2005, at 9:22 AM, Robert Brenstein wrote:

> ... any stack-based definition of scope is restrictive one way or  
> the other. If we make it only a single stack, it is very limited.  
> If substacks are included, then it is less but it still lacks  
> flexibility. What if I do not want the mainstack to have access to  
> some global but have a few substacks share them? Or just have a  
> global specific to a single substack? What if my project  
> encompasses a couple mainstacks (including a standalone with  
> substacks kept independently, not so uncommon situation -- granted  
> I could use then normal globals but that restricts development in  
> IDE)? What about situations when a program clones its substacks,  
> like IDE editor?

Robert,

The idea behind all the various global/local declarations, is that  
they start at a certain point in the stack script hierarchy and work  
down from there.

A global is accessible everywhere, even places that are not likely  
intended.  The problem is that you might choose a name that somebody  
else also used, or that you might have used in another project that  
you load into the IDE at the same time as your current project.  This  
possibility puts significant constraints on what names you can safely  
use for globals --which goes against the idea of making a name  
descriptive of its use.  Everyone seems to agree that we need a  
solution for this.

A stack scope variable would be accessible to a main-stack and its  
sub-stacks only.

I proposed that a stack scope variable would be the effective  
replacement for globals in most projects, isolating them from the IDE  
and other project stacks.  That way the user is in charge of his own  
mistakes.  I believe this is a useful concept in its simplicity.  It  
is very much in keeping with the current scheme and would cover most  
situations for the beginner who is the most likely to get tripped up  
by globals.

As far as restricting the scope in your own projects. If you are  
writing your own projects, then you are in charge of the naming of  
variables for your project.  You can easily choose names and declare  
them only in the places you want to use them.

However, you are right that they do not carry the same expanse of  
scope as a global.


> The concept of namespaces is inherently more flexible and allows  
> more control in any direction and scope without binding to a  
> specific object and without imposing any preconditions. So, what  
> you suggest would just be one possible scenerio. Namespaces would  
> allow libraries to have documented globals. It would allow to use  
> globals instead of remotely accessing custom properties.
>
> I also think that having namespaces will be a prerequisite for  
> making Rev more OO, which is on the planning board.
>
> Robert

My proposal does not mean that I am not in favor of an additional  
namespace scheme.  This might be favored by professional programmers  
and IDE tool makers.  I have also proposed in another thread the  
possibility of declaring a name that can be invisibly appended to  
global names internally that would in fact make your globals unique  
without having to deal with the ugliness of the name everywhere in  
the scripts.  Kind of like setting the itemDel.  I also proposed  
other schemes.

Please describe for us unfamiliar with namespaces how you would  
envision them working and the syntax with Transcript.

Thanks,
Dennis


From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Jul  6 12:41:16 2005
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 18:41:16 +0200
Subject: disabling "Preferences" on OS X
Message-ID: <0D0B266E-A626-4220-A5CC-B9996CF1018E@major-k.de>

Hi friends,

short question:

Does anyone know how to disable a "Preferences" menu item
on OS X????

Putting a "(" before it does NOT work, the Application menu of
OS X happily keeps on showing an active "Preferences" menu item :-/

Please don't tell me i can't! ;-)

Completely omitting the "Edit" menu would be a BIT overkill ;-) and
would hurt the Apple HIG, if i remember correctly. Do I?


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From mark at maseurope.net  Wed Jul  6 12:08:20 2005
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 17:08:20 +0100
Subject: Setting fonts
In-Reply-To: <F7CDC7C5-E523-4A24-9520-759FD1119443@conncoll.edu>
References: <D03B5E31-6907-45C8-B296-AF00E9B46272@conncoll.edu>
	<70416265-46BA-4688-8877-4DE2991B93A2@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<F7CDC7C5-E523-4A24-9520-759FD1119443@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <32068fb266d9847067683ac410e777f8@maseurope.net>

I just tried exactly what you described, and it worked just as it 
should. This on OS 10.3.9, G4 powerbook, Rev v2.6.

Strangely, though, in the recent thread about changing text size in a 
field, preserving relative sizes of styled text, I came across the same 
thing, where changing the textSize of a field affected only the 
unstyled text before a block of styled text, but not the unstyled text 
after....

However, the problem went away, without me doing anything about it, and 
from the test just now, seems to be staying away. This must be a bug, 
so worth bugzilla-ing, but if it's intermittent, it'll be a bitch to 
solve...

Good luck,

Mark


On 6 Jul 2005, at 13:03, Charles Hartman wrote:

> Yes, that's what I'm doing. However, as I said, the text _after_ the 
> specified-font text does _not_ switch to the altered owner's font.
>
> Let me clarifiy: a field contains a dozen lines, let's say; the first 
> six and last four have been created using Palatino, with Palatino as 
> the stack font, so there's no font specification on any of those 
> lines. Lines 7-8 have had their Text Formatting properties altered so 
> their font is specified as Courier. Now in the main stack's script I 
> insert the line "set the textfont of me to 'Arial'" and save and close 
> the stack and its substacks and reopen. Now on that example card, in 
> that field, lines 1-6 are Arial, 7-8 are Courier (all as expected) -- 
> but lines 9-12 are still in Palatino.
>
> I'm beginning to think this is a bug. I'll file a BZ on it. Any ideas 
> on workarounds meanwhile? That don't involve iterating over all lines 
> in all fields on all cards??
>
> Charles Hartman
>
>
> On Jul 6, 2005, at 2:07 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:
>
>> 1. Combining a specified font and a "not specified" font:
>> If you have a field with no font specified (use owner's font) and 
>> then you set the font for some lines, for instance, to Courier New 
>> (selecting these lines and choosing the right font in the Text menu).
>> Then when you set the textFont of the stack (by script or in the 
>> properties inspector), only lines which use owner's font will change: 
>> they will appear in the specified font but the lines previously set 
>> in Courier New will stay unchanged.
>>
>
> Charles Hartman
> Professor of English, Poet in Residence
> Connecticut College
> charles.hartman at conncoll.edu
> *the Scandroid* is at cherry.conncoll.edu/cohar/Programs
>
>
>
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From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Wed Jul  6 13:15:56 2005
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 13:15:56 -0400
Subject: PDFs in QT Player -- Hot Links Challenge
Message-ID: <OF57F22C59.D466B047-ON85257036.005E2EA8@sealedair.com>

On 07/06/2005 at 12:11 PM, Jon <jbondy at sover.net> wrote:

> I'm confused: if all you want to do is see a PDF, you can use Acrobat...

Yes, you could if that is your only objective.

But -- not -- if you intend to display it -- inside -- a revolution 
application window on the Windows platform. My suggestion was intended to 
fill the void of not being able to use QuickTime to display a PDF in rev 
as you can easily do on Mac OS X.

Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com



From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Wed Jul  6 13:32:03 2005
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 13:32:03 -0400
Subject: Easily display PDF in rev on Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <OF57F22C59.D466B047-ON85257036.005E2EA8@sealedair.com>
Message-ID: <BEF18DD3.CEF2%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

I import jpg and png images and use them as background images on large cards
then put fields on them with data. This card is then printed. If a PDF was
the background instead of a jpg or png it would print faster and clearer.

Is this possible using your inside quicktime method?


On 7/6/05 1:15 PM, "Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com"
<Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com> wrote:

> On 07/06/2005 at 12:11 PM, Jon <jbondy at sover.net> wrote:
> 
>> I'm confused: if all you want to do is see a PDF, you can use Acrobat...
> 
> Yes, you could if that is your only objective.
> 
> But -- not -- if you intend to display it -- inside -- a revolution
> application window on the Windows platform. My suggestion was intended to
> fill the void of not being able to use QuickTime to display a PDF in rev
> as you can easily do on Mac OS X.
> 
> Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed Jul  6 13:40:12 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 19:40:12 +0200
Subject: Setting fonts
In-Reply-To: <32068fb266d9847067683ac410e777f8@maseurope.net>
References: <D03B5E31-6907-45C8-B296-AF00E9B46272@conncoll.edu>
	<70416265-46BA-4688-8877-4DE2991B93A2@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<F7CDC7C5-E523-4A24-9520-759FD1119443@conncoll.edu>
	<32068fb266d9847067683ac410e777f8@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <DC73C03D-EBE7-4204-B33B-33E343CFE14B@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Mark and Charles,

I have had many struggles with fonts and sizes until I understood  
correctly inheritance problems  and, above all, some weird behaviours  
of the engine.
For instance: if you set the textFont to empty, the textSize is set  
to empty too (this feature has been discussed on this list about a  
year ago) and there are other rather weird features...

I can only tell you one thing: we have to be "clean" and a "certain"  
steps order in a process regarding fonts and sizes has to be  
respected when building a stack.
In particular, it seems that when you manipulate fields and fonts and  
sizes in all directions, kinds of droppings (see previous posts about  
default buttons :-) can remain.
That's not clear in the docs: so try, test and test again ;-)

Le 6 juil. 05 ? 18:08, Mark Smith a ?crit :

> I just tried exactly what you described, and it worked just as it  
> should. This on OS 10.3.9, G4 powerbook, Rev v2.6.
>
> Strangely, though, in the recent thread about changing text size in  
> a field, preserving relative sizes of styled text, I came across  
> the same thing, where changing the textSize of a field affected  
> only the unstyled text before a block of styled text, but not the  
> unstyled text after....
>
> However, the problem went away, without me doing anything about it,  
> and from the test just now, seems to be staying away. This must be  
> a bug, so worth bugzilla-ing, but if it's intermittent, it'll be a  
> bitch to solve...
>
> Good luck,
>
> Mark
>> Le 6 juil. 05 ? 18:08, Eric Chatonet a ?crit :
>>
>> Here it's working:
>> First, you set all textfont specs of any field, card and stack to  
>> empty.
>> You paste a text in any field.
>> You select the text and set its textfont to "Use Owner's  
>> Font" (empty)
>> You select the lines you want to be in another font as Courier and  
>> set them.
>> Now you set the textfont of the stack to any font and all lines  
>> the textfont of which were empty adopt the specified font (your  
>> 9-12 lines included).
>> You can change the textfont stack and it's going to work.
>> You can save and reopen the stack: all is perfect.
>
> On 6 Jul 2005, at 13:03, Charles Hartman wrote:
>
>
>> Yes, that's what I'm doing. However, as I said, the text _after_  
>> the specified-font text does _not_ switch to the altered owner's  
>> font.
>>
>> Let me clarifiy: a field contains a dozen lines, let's say; the  
>> first six and last four have been created using Palatino, with  
>> Palatino as the stack font, so there's no font specification on  
>> any of those lines. Lines 7-8 have had their Text Formatting  
>> properties altered so their font is specified as Courier. Now in  
>> the main stack's script I insert the line "set the textfont of me  
>> to 'Arial'" and save and close the stack and its substacks and  
>> reopen. Now on that example card, in that field, lines 1-6 are  
>> Arial, 7-8 are Courier (all as expected) -- but lines 9-12 are  
>> still in Palatino.
>>
>> I'm beginning to think this is a bug. I'll file a BZ on it. Any  
>> ideas on workarounds meanwhile? That don't involve iterating over  
>> all lines in all fields on all cards??
>>
>> Charles Hartman
>>
>>
>> On Jul 6, 2005, at 2:07 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:
>>
>>
>>> 1. Combining a specified font and a "not specified" font:
>>> If you have a field with no font specified (use owner's font) and  
>>> then you set the font for some lines, for instance, to Courier  
>>> New (selecting these lines and choosing the right font in the  
>>> Text menu).
>>> Then when you set the textFont of the stack (by script or in the  
>>> properties inspector), only lines which use owner's font will  
>>> change: they will appear in the specified font but the lines  
>>> previously set in Courier New will stay unchanged.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Wed Jul  6 13:43:13 2005
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 10:43:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Setting a Group as a Background
In-Reply-To: <a05210601bef1465732d2@[192.168.80.101]>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507061041040.18146-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Dave,

As for losing it, you didn't perchance ungroup it to make any changes did
you?

That'll kill it for sure...

You should be able to manually place your new group via the menu or teh
message box or some other scripting place.

Judy

On Wed, 6 Jul 2005, David Burgun wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I couldn't get the Group back that I lost last night, so I re-entered
> it all, took until 2 am!  I now have another problem, the Group was a
> "Background" and now that I have re-entered it, I can't it it to
> appear on the other cards in the stack. Do I have to delete and
> recreate all the other cards in the Stack?????



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Wed Jul  6 13:46:27 2005
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 10:46:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Animation Builder
In-Reply-To: <a06200700bef190c64aeb@[195.195.177.148]>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507061045210.18146-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Muaadh:

It was taken out but you can still get it and use it.  I think maybe it's
on the company's website under "unsupported stacks" or some such thing?

Or, just take it out or your 2.0 folder?

So I've been told...

Judy

On Wed, 6 Jul 2005, Muaadh salih wrote:

> Coming back to revolution 2.6 , having left using it when in version
> 2.0, I  could not find the
> animation Builder ( within the tool menu) .
> Has it been repalced ? if so with what ? or been given anther name
> and tucked somewhere ?
> any help ?!!



From bob.earp at ashford.ca  Wed Jul  6 14:06:54 2005
From: bob.earp at ashford.ca (Robert J. Earp)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 11:06:54 -0700
Subject: Embedded fonts
Message-ID: <42CC1DBE.7080109@ashford.ca>

Welcome back Andre !!
It was nice meeting you in Monterey and I'm happy you and your new PB 
had a great time in Hawaii, although visions of you twirling poi in a 
grass skirt are a bit scary ;-)

We spoke about the ability to embed fonts into runtime stacks and you 
said you thought it could be done.  Have you had any more thoughts on 
the subject ?

As an encouragement to Kevin & Co. to help support you with something 
meaningful, embedding fonts is absolutely essential for us to distribute 
multi media projects without having the hassle of loaders.  We use 
custom fonts for a whole variety of purposes, a lot of the time not even 
to display words (simulation/animation of technical stuff), plus there 
is a very easy way to do this with the competition (TB) that actually 
has a not too bad interface!! 

Oh yes, and for the copyright issue, somehow TB takes a look at the 
font  properties to see if it is legally copyable before allowing it to 
be embedded.

I can send you a sample screen shot of the TB interface if you'd like.

best, Bob...
-- 
Robert J. Earp - Ashford Training Technologies*
*18059 21A Avenue, South Surrey, British Columbia, Canada. V3S 9V7
T:(1)604 541 1662 Cel:(1)604 612 6688 F:(1)604 541 1686


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From ps1 at softseven.org  Wed Jul  6 14:17:12 2005
From: ps1 at softseven.org (Paul Salyers)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 13:17:12 -0500
Subject: Voice command
In-Reply-To: <671793836ab0b1a5823c6d9ca23c8cde@adelphia.net>
References: <68361138-A6EB-4348-BE90-133203E08139@mac.com>
	<FEE0579D-E8A1-400D-AA09-9B5A09926D65@danshafer.com>
	<6.1.1.1.2.20050705223614.03315480@softseven.org>
	<26A6D83C-AF36-498F-AF1D-380756B5146E@danshafer.com>
	<4f73e27e1bb44503ef6c21a99d18377e@adelphia.net>
	<671793836ab0b1a5823c6d9ca23c8cde@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20050706131050.033fc580@softseven.org>




This is what I'm trying to accomplish


revSpeechVoices([voiceGender])

revSpeechVoices()
revSpeechVoices("female")
put revSpeechVoices("neuter") into button "Voices Menu"


totally lost tho, some one please send a sample working stack for the 
windows platform.

thanks




Paul Salyers
PS1 - Senior Rep.
PS1 at softseven.org
Http://ps1.SoftSeven.org 




From userev at canelasoftware.com  Wed Jul  6 14:24:49 2005
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 11:24:49 -0700
Subject: Embedded fonts
In-Reply-To: <42CC1DBE.7080109@ashford.ca>
References: <42CC1DBE.7080109@ashford.ca>
Message-ID: <6580FB77-4154-4DBB-A9B5-D3646DDFD7AE@canelasoftware.com>


On Jul 6, 2005, at 11:06 AM, Robert J. Earp wrote:

> Welcome back Andre !!
> It was nice meeting you in Monterey and I'm happy you and your new  
> PB had a great time in Hawaii, although visions of you twirling poi  
> in a grass skirt are a bit scary ;-)
>
> We spoke about the ability to embed fonts into runtime stacks and  
> you said you thought it could be done.  Have you had any more  
> thoughts on the subject ?
>
> As an encouragement to Kevin & Co. to help support you with  
> something meaningful, embedding fonts is absolutely essential for  
> us to distribute multi media projects without having the hassle of  
> loaders.  We use custom fonts for a whole variety of purposes, a  
> lot of the time not even to display words (simulation/animation of  
> technical stuff), plus there is a very easy way to do this with the  
> competition (TB) that actually has a not too bad interface!!
> Oh yes, and for the copyright issue, somehow TB takes a look at the  
> font  properties to see if it is legally copyable before allowing  
> it to be embedded.
>
> I can send you a sample screen shot of the TB interface if you'd like.
>

Assuming you have the rights to the fonts, lets focus on how this can  
be done.  Store the fonts in a custom property and spit them out to  
the appropriate directory for each OS.  This is really easy to do for  
Macs.  If you take a look at RevNet, you can download CS Fonts  
Installer.  It will give you an idea of how this can be done.   
Windows requires certain registry settings to be made.  I have not  
taken the time to figure those out.  Maybe someone here has and will  
be able to provide the needed changes.  A workaround is to use an  
installer for your Windows fonts.  I make the installer for the fonts  
and them suck that up into a custom property.  Spit it out and run  
the installer if your app finds the needed fonts to be missing.

I have done the above and it works perfectly.  Let me know if you  
need more details on this.  If you would like to see it in action,  
just write me off list and I will give you a code to unlock the fonts  
we sell.


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed Jul  6 14:31:06 2005
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 12:31:06 -0600
Subject: post command example?
In-Reply-To: <42C246B9.3000103@materiaprima.fsnet.co.uk>
References: <EFE3308B-E835-40F7-A42C-0B66C21D710A@byu.edu>
	<42C246B9.3000103@materiaprima.fsnet.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CAD1E66F-E375-4047-9D75-86395A501382@byu.edu>

(Getting back to this after a week of vacation.)

On Jun 29, 2005, at 12:59 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:

> Devin Asay wrote:
>
>> I need to send some data to a php page on a web server, just a  
>> short  string like "abc2". I've read all I can find on the post  
>> command in  the documentation, but can't figure out how to format  
>> the data so the  php script will read it.
>> My stack:
>> contents of fld "uid": "abc2"
>> (I also tried [ name="netid" value="dna3" ] as the value of the   
>> field. Sans the [].)
>> the post button script:
>> on mouseUp
>>   post urlencode(fld "uid") to url fld "urlText" -- also tried   
>> without urlencode
>>   set the htmltext of fld "returnedText" to it
>> end mouseUp
>> The result returned makes it obvious that the php script  
>> executed,  but never received the value "abc2".
>> FWIW, the php script (one I wrote, that works when I hard code   
>> everything) uses the $POST_[value name here] format to grab the  
>> data.  I am a neophyte in php land, but have used this method  
>> successfully  in the past to pass values from html forms.
>> There are no clear examples of how to do this in the docs, and  
>> the  list archive at http://lists.runrev.com seems to be offline  
>> at the  moment.  Can anyone point me in the right direction?
>> Devin
>>
>
> Hi Devin,
>
> Maybe the problem is that you need to use ampersand to delimit the  
> name value pairs rather than space.
>
> Here is how I format the data
>
> put "any old text." into msgtext
> put urlencode(msgtext) into msgtext
> put "username" into tuser
> put "username=" & tuser & "&message=" & msgtext into data
> ## note no spaces and the use of ampersand to delimit the
> ## name value pairs
> ## tuser is known not to require urlencoding
> put "http://domain/path/document.php" into phpurl
> post data to url phpurl

Thanks Martin. That did the trick!

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Jul  6 15:00:18 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 14:00:18 -0500
Subject: Setting fonts [OT..abit]
In-Reply-To: <EE6DB0C4-CFC5-4826-B97C-BBEF19C3C1CF@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <D03B5E31-6907-45C8-B296-AF00E9B46272@conncoll.edu>	<70416265-46BA-4688-8877-4DE2991B93A2@sosmartsoftware.com>	<F7CDC7C5-E523-4A24-9520-759FD1119443@conncoll.edu>
	<EE6DB0C4-CFC5-4826-B97C-BBEF19C3C1CF@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <42CC2A42.30702@chipp.com>

For those interested...

I work on a PC, but port many apps to MacOSX. I've found the following 
works best for me regarding fonts.

I typically set the textFont property of my stacks to Tahoma. This is 
the default system font on the PC and works great, especially with 
ClearType font rendering on WinXP. But, as Jeanne DeVoto mentioned to 
me, it doesn't come installed on Mac systems. Which is fine, because 
then it uses the default font: Lucinda Grande.

best,

Chipp



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed Jul  6 15:03:51 2005
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 13:03:51 -0600
Subject: Post comand
In-Reply-To: <d9919a6ba5a5f6129570851efe83cfba@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <42C1DB33.4020706@hyperactivesw.com>
	<d9919a6ba5a5f6129570851efe83cfba@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <D07B7F68-E686-4141-A7FA-E72C6BED9EAF@byu.edu>

(Returning to this after a week on vacation.)

On Jun 28, 2005, at 5:30 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> On Jun 28, 2005, at 4:20 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>> I need to send some data to a php page on a web server, just a  
>> short string like "abc2". I've read all I can find on the post  
>> command in  the documentation, but can't figure out how to format  
>> the data so the  php script will read it.
>>
>
> Take a look at libUrlFormData.  It shows one way of doing this.

Thanks Trevor. Very helpful.

This entry ought to be cross referenced with the post command in the  
Rev Docs. How does one request a documentation enhancement? Bugzilla?

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Wed Jul  6 15:05:26 2005
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 15:05:26 -0400
Subject: Easily display PDF in rev on Mac OS X
Message-ID: <OF4A2BD682.011603DF-ON85257036.0066DE37@sealedair.com>

On 07/06/2005 at 01:32 PM, Bill <bill at bluewatermaritime.com> wrote:
> I import jpg and png images and use them as background images on large 
cards
> then put fields on them with data. This card is then printed. If a PDF 
was
> the background instead of a jpg or png it would print faster and 
clearer.
> 
> Is this possible using your inside quicktime method?

I cannot take credit for the quicktime method. A revolution QT player 
object can display any file format that is supported by QuickTime itself. 
Placing text fields over this image may be a problem though since it is 
acting as a "video area". As for printing and/or the quality/speed of the 
printing, I have never done this. Maybe someone else could answer with 
their experience.

Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>



From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Jul  6 15:06:46 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 14:06:46 -0500
Subject: Managing substacks - best way?
In-Reply-To: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEHNHIAA.YourSignup@Yahoo.com>
References: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEHNHIAA.YourSignup@Yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42CC2BC6.1030509@chipp.com>

Jim,

If you're doing this in the IDE, there's a very simple way to do it.

Open up the Main stack with the substack you want to 'move'.

Open up the stack you want to 'move it to.'

Open the prop editor for the substack to be moved. Select the new stack 
as the Main stack. Save the new stack. Now QUIT Rev (don't save the orig 
Main stack) and relaunch, open the new stack and you will see the 
substack there. By quitting Rev, you won't have problems with namespace 
conflicts or the IDE getting 'confused' over which stack is where.

HTH,

Chipp

Jim Bufalini wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Lets say you create a substack or someone shares a stack with a library or
> other type of substack that you want to incorporate in other projects.
> What's the best way to separate out that substack from the original Main
> stack (without actually separating it from the original project by setting
> it's main stack to itself) and then, adding it to another project?
> 
> I've been setting the substack to a main stack of itself. Saving the
> substack. Closing the original main stack without save. Opening a new main
> stack. Opening what was the substack. Setting the main stack of the opened
> former substack to the new main stack. Kind of a PITA (Pain In The A__).
> Isn't there a better way?



From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Jul  6 15:09:02 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 14:09:02 -0500
Subject: PDFs in QT Player -- Hot Links Challenge
In-Reply-To: <OF57F22C59.D466B047-ON85257036.005E2EA8@sealedair.com>
References: <OF57F22C59.D466B047-ON85257036.005E2EA8@sealedair.com>
Message-ID: <42CC2C4E.6010503@chipp.com>

The new altBrowser for Tiger will open up PDF's within an altBrowser 
window. (Works on PC's too).

-Chipp

Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote:

>>I'm confused: if all you want to do is see a PDF, you can use Acrobat...

> Yes, you could if that is your only objective.
> 
> But -- not -- if you intend to display it -- inside -- a revolution 
> application window on the Windows platform.



From soapdog at mac.com  Wed Jul  6 15:17:00 2005
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:17:00 -0300
Subject: PDFs in QT Player -- Hot Links Challenge
In-Reply-To: <42CC2C4E.6010503@chipp.com>
References: <OF57F22C59.D466B047-ON85257036.005E2EA8@sealedair.com>
	<42CC2C4E.6010503@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <B1F7E1C4-217E-48E5-B820-9A60F7EE882B@mac.com>


On Jul 6, 2005, at 4:09 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> The new altBrowser for Tiger will open up PDF's within an  
> altBrowser window. (Works on PC's too).
>
> -Chipp

Chipp,

that's marvelous!!!! Can you tell me if we can code our way to flip  
pages and if there's a way to zoom? Using QT Player, every 75 secs  
increment will flip a page, and by changing the rect of the player  
you achieve zoom. The only last piece is searching... but that is  
hard. I'd like to know if you guys have any way to interact with the  
pdf being displayed.

Cheers
andre

From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Wed Jul  6 15:20:53 2005
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 15:20:53 -0400
Subject: PDFs in QT Player -- Hot Links Challenge
In-Reply-To: <42CC2C4E.6010503@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <BEF1A755.CF09%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

Con text fields be put on top of this window as if it were a card object and
the whole thing printed?


On 7/6/05 3:09 PM, "Chipp Walters" <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:

> The new altBrowser for Tiger will open up PDF's within an altBrowser
> window. (Works on PC's too).
> 
> -Chipp
> 
> Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote:
> 
>>> I'm confused: if all you want to do is see a PDF, you can use Acrobat...
> 
>> Yes, you could if that is your only objective.
>> 
>> But -- not -- if you intend to display it -- inside -- a revolution
>> application window on the Windows platform.
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From keith at vortex.co.uk  Wed Jul  6 16:26:15 2005
From: keith at vortex.co.uk (keith)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:26:15 +0100
Subject: Setting fonts [OT..abit]
In-Reply-To: <42CC2A42.30702@chipp.com>
References: <D03B5E31-6907-45C8-B296-AF00E9B46272@conncoll.edu>
	<70416265-46BA-4688-8877-4DE2991B93A2@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<F7CDC7C5-E523-4A24-9520-759FD1119443@conncoll.edu>
	<EE6DB0C4-CFC5-4826-B97C-BBEF19C3C1CF@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<42CC2A42.30702@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <p06210200bef1e66159c0@[10.1.23.247]>

Sometime around 6/7/05 (at 14:00 -0500) Chipp Walters said:

>I typically set the textFont property of my stacks to Tahoma. This 
>is the default system font on the PC and works great, especially 
>with ClearType font rendering on WinXP. But, as Jeanne DeVoto 
>mentioned to me, it doesn't come installed on Mac systems. Which is 
>fine, because then it uses the default font: Lucinda Grande.

Well, the slightly less attractively named Lucida Grande, to be precise. <g>

The Lucida family was the result of research into legibility of type 
produced with low-resolution printers in the early 1980s. (One of the 
two designers of the Lucida family also created Apple's Chicago and 
Geneva, the two Mac system fonts from 1984 through to the mid-1990s 
or so.) It is a superb example of resolution-aware modern type design 
borrowing intelligently from type design standards and styles of the 
past few centuries.

More practically for y'all reading this, the standard Windows 2000 
and XP Lucida Sans is a close visual analog to Mac OS X's Lucida 
Grande. But it helps a lot if font smoothing is on on the PC.

k
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From r.beynon at liv.ac.uk  Wed Jul  6 16:53:57 2005
From: r.beynon at liv.ac.uk (Rob Beynon)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:53:57 +0100
Subject: Programming multi line selections
Message-ID: <1306042068.20050706215357@liv.ac.uk>


Colleagues,

I have a small problem that is driving me nuts..

I have a series of lines in a field, and I want to program the
selection of those lines according to the last character of the
line...I wrote a button script thus...

on mouseUp
  select empty
  put 0 into LineNo
  repeat for each line peptide in card field "audit"
  add 1 to LineNo
  if char(length(peptide)-1) of peptide = "K" then select line LineNo of field "audit"
 end repeat
end mouseUp


I've also tried setting the selected of line lineNo to true
and setting the hilitedLine to lineNo

Am I missing the point here? (probably).

Also, how do I deselect all lines before I start (select empty doesn;t
seem to achieve this).

-- 
All best wishes,
Rob

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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed Jul  6 16:59:20 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 22:59:20 +0200
Subject: Setting fonts [OT..abit]
In-Reply-To: <42CC2A42.30702@chipp.com>
References: <D03B5E31-6907-45C8-B296-AF00E9B46272@conncoll.edu>	<70416265-46BA-4688-8877-4DE2991B93A2@sosmartsoftware.com>	<F7CDC7C5-E523-4A24-9520-759FD1119443@conncoll.edu>
	<EE6DB0C4-CFC5-4826-B97C-BBEF19C3C1CF@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<42CC2A42.30702@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <44DC0499-E938-4760-B8F5-031BE7DE02E9@sosmartsoftware.com>

For those interested... (as said Chipp :-)

Here are the shared fonts between Mac OS X and Windows XP:
This does not mean that the result is exactly the same but these  
following fonts "are among the lines of the fontNames" for each  
platform.

Arial (normal, black, narrow)
Century Gothic
Comic sans MS
Courier New
Georgia
Impact
Tahoma
Times New Roman
Verdana
Webdings
Wingdings

Le 6 juil. 05 ? 21:00, Chipp Walters a ?crit :

> For those interested...
>
> I work on a PC, but port many apps to MacOSX. I've found the  
> following works best for me regarding fonts.
>
> I typically set the textFont property of my stacks to Tahoma. This  
> is the default system font on the PC and works great, especially  
> with ClearType font rendering on WinXP. But, as Jeanne DeVoto  
> mentioned to me, it doesn't come installed on Mac systems. Which is  
> fine, because then it uses the default font: Lucinda Grande.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed Jul  6 17:05:49 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 23:05:49 +0200
Subject: Programming multi line selections
In-Reply-To: <1306042068.20050706215357@liv.ac.uk>
References: <1306042068.20050706215357@liv.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <8F7C6566-78E6-4A00-889E-55BE89C113B2@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Rob,

When you select a line in a repeat loop, only the last found line  
will appear selected :-)
Try to parse the lines by number and set the hilitedLines at the end:

   put 0 into LineNo
   repeat for each line peptide in card field "audit"
   add 1 to LineNo
   if char -1 of peptide = "K" then put LineNo & comma after  
tHilitedLines
  end repeat
  delete char -1 of tHilitedLines
  set the hilitedLines of field "audit" to tHilitedLines

Le 6 juil. 05 ? 22:53, Rob Beynon a ?crit :

> I have a small problem that is driving me nuts..
>
> I have a series of lines in a field, and I want to program the
> selection of those lines according to the last character of the
> line...I wrote a button script thus...
>
> on mouseUp
>   select empty
>   put 0 into LineNo
>   repeat for each line peptide in card field "audit"
>   add 1 to LineNo
>   if char(length(peptide)-1) of peptide = "K" then select line  
> LineNo of field "audit"
>  end repeat
> end mouseUp
>
>
> I've also tried setting the selected of line lineNo to true
> and setting the hilitedLine to lineNo

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jul  6 17:10:16 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 14:10:16 -0700
Subject: Setting fonts [OT..abit]
In-Reply-To: <44DC0499-E938-4760-B8F5-031BE7DE02E9@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <D03B5E31-6907-45C8-B296-AF00E9B46272@conncoll.edu>	<70416265-46BA-4688-8877-4DE2991B93A2@sosmartsoftware.com>	<F7CDC7C5-E523-4A24-9520-759FD1119443@conncoll.edu>	<EE6DB0C4-CFC5-4826-B97C-BBEF19C3C1CF@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42CC2A42.30702@chipp.com>
	<44DC0499-E938-4760-B8F5-031BE7DE02E9@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <42CC48B8.9030208@fourthworld.com>

Eric Chatonet wrote:
> For those interested... (as said Chipp :-)
> 
> Here are the shared fonts between Mac OS X and Windows XP:
> This does not mean that the result is exactly the same

Sadly, not at all.  I went with Verdana on a project because I'd hoped 
to have similar font metrics on both projects.  Bad move:  Verdana on 
Windows has a much wider m-square than Verdana on OS X.

Moral:  Before settling on a font, compare screen shots with it on each 
platform.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From gbojsza at gmail.com  Wed Jul  6 17:58:45 2005
From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 17:58:45 -0400
Subject: Opening Substack at a predetermined card
Message-ID: <3d8af41505070614582e0af284@mail.gmail.com>

I am not certain if my method is wrong or if this is a bug?

My main stack has 

global productnumber

on mouseUp
do stuff
determine productnumber
open stack GBProduct
end mouseUp

My GBProduct stack

global productnumber
on preopenstack
  put productnumber -- this tells me if I am getting the right product
number and yes I am
  go to card productnumber -- sometimes the correct card will open
other times it remains at the previos card ??
end preopenstack


I have checked the card names and verified content with the
application browser. I have not found a pattern as to which cards open
properly and which ones don't (seems random).

Any suggestions or previous experience with this problem is appreciated.

regards,


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed Jul  6 18:03:28 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 00:03:28 +0200
Subject: Opening Substack at a predetermined card
In-Reply-To: <3d8af41505070614582e0af284@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3d8af41505070614582e0af284@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAAFBE10-4562-45F8-9F5D-94B6E30FC0D0@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Glen,

You could try something like:

on mouseUp
   do stuff
   determine productnumber
   go cd  productnumber of stack GBProduct
end mouseUp

Le 6 juil. 05 ? 23:58, Glen Bojsza a ?crit :

> I am not certain if my method is wrong or if this is a bug?
>
> My main stack has
>
> global productnumber
>
> on mouseUp
> do stuff
> determine productnumber
> open stack GBProduct
> end mouseUp
>
> My GBProduct stack
>
> global productnumber
> on preopenstack
>   put productnumber -- this tells me if I am getting the right product
> number and yes I am
>   go to card productnumber -- sometimes the correct card will open
> other times it remains at the previos card ??
> end preopenstack

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Wed Jul  6 18:46:23 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:46:23 +1000
Subject: Setting fonts [OT..abit]
In-Reply-To: <44DC0499-E938-4760-B8F5-031BE7DE02E9@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <D03B5E31-6907-45C8-B296-AF00E9B46272@conncoll.edu>	<70416265-46BA-4688-8877-4DE2991B93A2@sosmartsoftware.com>	<F7CDC7C5-E523-4A24-9520-759FD1119443@conncoll.edu>
	<EE6DB0C4-CFC5-4826-B97C-BBEF19C3C1CF@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<42CC2A42.30702@chipp.com>
	<44DC0499-E938-4760-B8F5-031BE7DE02E9@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <81D1B620-992F-4CA3-9BE9-E6FF444805B6@genesearch.com.au>

A word of warning. Not all of these are standard with a default Mac  
OS X installation. I think some come with Microsoft Office.

> Here are the shared fonts between Mac OS X and Windows XP:
> This does not mean that the result is exactly the same but these  
> following fonts "are among the lines of the fontNames" for each  
> platform.
>
> Arial (normal, black, narrow)
> Century Gothic
> Comic sans MS
> Courier New
> Georgia
> Impact
> Tahoma
> Times New Roman
> Verdana
> Webdings
> Wingdings
>
Out of Eric's list, the three listed below are NOT available on my Mac:
Century Gothic
Tahoma
Wingdings

Also, a Mac user (& presumably it is the same for Windows) has the  
ability to disable any fonts they like, even fonts used by the  
system. So you can never assume a particular font will be available.

It would be nice to be able to specify a font-family as one does in  
CSS, so you can choose a few alternatives and default to serif or  
sans-serif as a last resort.

Cheers,
Sarah



From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Wed Jul  6 18:54:13 2005
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 15:54:13 -0700
Subject: difference between exists()  &  there is a
Message-ID: <17b245820d21f417fb5c2a5496a2d9c8@elementarysoftware.com>

With regards to substacks (not files or folders) is there a reason to 
choose one syntax over the other?
<  there is a stack "foo"  >   or  <  exists(stack "foo")  >

-Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust !)
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email   scott at elementarysoftware.com



From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  6 19:19:52 2005
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (Erik Hansen)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:19:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: unsolicited dehiliting of grouped radio buttons & list fields
In-Reply-To: <B80FF68F-23AF-4D97-83FE-0D9C9F80D89B@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <20050706231952.22236.qmail@web33013.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


unsolicited dehiliting of grouped radio buttons.
unsolicited dehiliting of lines in a list field.
is this fixed in later editions?

short of an "on idle" or perennial "send in time"
is there a way to keep fields and/or radio button
groups moshed?

p.s.
my spell checker likes
"defoliating" for "dehiliting".

erik at erikhansen.org    http://www.erikhansen.org


		
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From jbondy at sover.net  Wed Jul  6 19:46:58 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 19:46:58 -0400
Subject: unsolicited dehiliting of grouped radio buttons & list fields
In-Reply-To: <20050706231952.22236.qmail@web33013.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20050706231952.22236.qmail@web33013.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42CC6D72.80608@sover.net>

What does "moshed" mean, please? Are we talking "mosh pit" here?

Jon
<showing his age?>


Erik Hansen wrote:

>unsolicited dehiliting of grouped radio buttons.
>unsolicited dehiliting of lines in a list field.
>is this fixed in later editions?
>
>short of an "on idle" or perennial "send in time"
>is there a way to keep fields and/or radio button
>groups moshed?
>
>p.s.
>my spell checker likes
>"defoliating" for "dehiliting".
>
>erik at erikhansen.org    http://www.erikhansen.org
>
>
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From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Jul  6 20:48:20 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 19:48:20 -0500
Subject: object checkSum?
Message-ID: <42CC7BD4.2090101@chipp.com>

Short of MD5digesting the concatenation of all properties, scripts, 
custom props and propsets of an object, *OR* MD5digesting a single stack 
file with a specified object copied to it and saved locally...

Is there an *easier* way to create a checkSum for a single RR object 
that I'm missing?

best,

Chipp


From b.alleyne at btinternet.com  Wed Jul  6 20:50:07 2005
From: b.alleyne at btinternet.com (Brian Alleyne)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 01:50:07 +0100
Subject: Treeview control needed
Message-ID: <200507070150.07611.b.alleyne@btinternet.com>

Hi

Does anyone know where I can get a stack or external that implements a 
treeview control? I've seen references on the various runrev resources sites 
but cannot seem to pinpoint an example.

Cheers,

Brian


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jul  6 21:03:52 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 18:03:52 -0700
Subject: object checkSum?
In-Reply-To: <42CC7BD4.2090101@chipp.com>
References: <42CC7BD4.2090101@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <42CC7F78.3010906@fourthworld.com>

Chipp Walters wrote:
> Short of MD5digesting the concatenation of all properties, scripts, 
> custom props and propsets of an object, *OR* MD5digesting a single stack 
> file with a specified object copied to it and saved locally...
> 
> Is there an *easier* way to create a checkSum for a single RR object 
> that I'm missing?

I had a similar need recently, and decided to go with the MD5 of the 
props and custom props (the objects I was working on have no scripts). 
If there's a better way I'd love to learn it, but for the moment the 
MD5/props route works pretty well.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From b.xavier at internet.lu  Wed Jul  6 21:07:39 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 03:07:39 +0200
Subject: object checkSum?
In-Reply-To: <42CC7BD4.2090101@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <20050707010140.B9D6682493B@mail.runrev.com>

yes, the size is bytes of content, script and the [custom]-props[sets]...

That's the shortest i can think of.

In the HotKeyNO2 i convert this to an array of differences. No MD5 needed...


what's the point?

cheers
Xavier


> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Chipp Walters
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 02:48
> To: Use-Revolution
> Subject: object checkSum?
> 
> Short of MD5digesting the concatenation of all properties, 
> scripts, custom props and propsets of an object, *OR* 
> MD5digesting a single stack file with a specified object 
> copied to it and saved locally...
> 
> Is there an *easier* way to create a checkSum for a single RR 
> object that I'm missing?
> 
> best,
> 
> Chipp
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From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Jul  6 21:12:05 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:12:05 -0500
Subject: object checkSum?
In-Reply-To: <42CC7F78.3010906@fourthworld.com>
References: <42CC7BD4.2090101@chipp.com> <42CC7F78.3010906@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <42CC8165.7020407@chipp.com>

Here's what I've got so far..any suggestions?
X, I'm not so sure about size, as it makes it necessary to write out a 
file, which certainly must take more time than MD5digest?



function altObjChecksum pObjID
   --> THIS CREATES A CHECKSUM FOR RR OBJECTS
   --> IT INCLUDES PROPERTIES, SCRIPTS AND CUSTOMPROP SETS AND THEIR 
CUSTOM PROP VALUES

   --> PROPERTIES OF OBJECT
   put the properties of pObjID into tData

   --> THESE NECESSARY AS THEY CHANGE FROM STACK TO STACK
   --> ANYONE THINK OF ANY OTHERS WHICH MIGHT CHANGE?? TIA!!
   put "" into tData["id"]
   put "" into tData["visited"]
   put "" into tData["layer"]

   combine tData using cr and ":"

   --> SCRIPT OF OBJECT
   put cr & the script of pObjID after tData

   --> CUSTOM PROP SETS AND CUSTOM PROPS
   put the customPropertySets of pObjID into tCPlist

   repeat for each line L in tCPlist
     --> NO NEED TO 'MATCH' REV'S IDE PROPS
     if L is "cRevGeneral" then next repeat

     put the customProperties[L] of pObjID into tKeys
     combine tKeys using cr and ":"
     put cr & L & cr & tKeys after tData
   end repeat

   return URLencode(md5digest(tData))

end altObjChecksum


Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Chipp Walters wrote:
> 
>> Short of MD5digesting the concatenation of all properties, scripts, 
>> custom props and propsets of an object, *OR* MD5digesting a single 
>> stack file with a specified object copied to it and saved locally...
>>
>> Is there an *easier* way to create a checkSum for a single RR object 
>> that I'm missing?
> 
> 
> I had a similar need recently, and decided to go with the MD5 of the 
> props and custom props (the objects I was working on have no scripts). 
> If there's a better way I'd love to learn it, but for the moment the 
> MD5/props route works pretty well.
> 


From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Wed Jul  6 21:13:09 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 11:13:09 +1000
Subject: Treeview control needed
In-Reply-To: <200507070150.07611.b.alleyne@btinternet.com>
References: <200507070150.07611.b.alleyne@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <7BC97B09-5C33-42FF-829C-7A452FFC47C2@genesearch.com.au>

> Does anyone know where I can get a stack or external that implements a
> treeview control? I've seen references on the various runrev  
> resources sites
> but cannot seem to pinpoint an example.
>
<http://revolution.lexicall.org/stacks_education.php>
Scroll to the bottom of the page to find Marielle Lange's Tree View

OR

<http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Downloads.htm>
where you can find the Altuit XML TreeView List Control.

HTH,
Sarah



From b.xavier at internet.lu  Wed Jul  6 21:25:55 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 03:25:55 +0200
Subject: object checkSum?
In-Reply-To: <42CC8165.7020407@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <20050707011953.83B8D824924@mail.runrev.com>

write out a file? why? 

Here's an old version for a card checksum...

Same can be applied to the props and the script. Of course it wont catch a
color change in the props for example unless you add the numbers to the sum
- it's very unlikely you'll find duplicates this way but nature has its
ways. So the MD5 or a content to content comparison is usually the best way
to catch a change...

function GetCdStamp
  local y
  put 0 into y
  put length(cdScript()) into y
  put number of flds into fcount
  repeat with x = 1 to fcount
    add length(fld x) to y
  end repeat
  put number of flds into bcount
  repeat with x = 1 to bcount
    add length(bg btn x) to y
  end repeat
  put number of flds into fcount
  repeat with x = 1 to fcount
    add length(cd fld x) to y
  end repeat
  put number of flds into bcount
  repeat with x = 1 to bcount
    add length(btn x) to y
  end repeat
  return y
end GetCdStamp


> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Chipp Walters
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 03:12
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: object checkSum?
> 
> Here's what I've got so far..any suggestions?
> X, I'm not so sure about size, as it makes it necessary to 
> write out a file, which certainly must take more time than MD5digest?
> 
> 
> 
> function altObjChecksum pObjID
>    --> THIS CREATES A CHECKSUM FOR RR OBJECTS
>    --> IT INCLUDES PROPERTIES, SCRIPTS AND CUSTOMPROP SETS AND THEIR 
> CUSTOM PROP VALUES
> 
>    --> PROPERTIES OF OBJECT
>    put the properties of pObjID into tData
> 
>    --> THESE NECESSARY AS THEY CHANGE FROM STACK TO STACK
>    --> ANYONE THINK OF ANY OTHERS WHICH MIGHT CHANGE?? TIA!!
>    put "" into tData["id"]
>    put "" into tData["visited"]
>    put "" into tData["layer"]
> 
>    combine tData using cr and ":"
> 
>    --> SCRIPT OF OBJECT
>    put cr & the script of pObjID after tData
> 
>    --> CUSTOM PROP SETS AND CUSTOM PROPS
>    put the customPropertySets of pObjID into tCPlist
> 
>    repeat for each line L in tCPlist
>      --> NO NEED TO 'MATCH' REV'S IDE PROPS
>      if L is "cRevGeneral" then next repeat
> 
>      put the customProperties[L] of pObjID into tKeys
>      combine tKeys using cr and ":"
>      put cr & L & cr & tKeys after tData
>    end repeat
> 
>    return URLencode(md5digest(tData))
> 
> end altObjChecksum
> 
> 
> Richard Gaskin wrote:
> > Chipp Walters wrote:
> > 
> >> Short of MD5digesting the concatenation of all properties, 
> scripts, 
> >> custom props and propsets of an object, *OR* MD5digesting a single 
> >> stack file with a specified object copied to it and saved 
> locally...
> >>
> >> Is there an *easier* way to create a checkSum for a single 
> RR object 
> >> that I'm missing?
> > 
> > 
> > I had a similar need recently, and decided to go with the 
> MD5 of the 
> > props and custom props (the objects I was working on have 
> no scripts). 
> > If there's a better way I'd love to learn it, but for the 
> moment the 
> > MD5/props route works pretty well.
> > 
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From CSZASZ at kcs.kana.k12.wv.us  Wed Jul  6 21:42:26 2005
From: CSZASZ at kcs.kana.k12.wv.us (CHARLES W SZASZ)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 21:42:26 -0400
Subject: Scrolling list fields
Message-ID: <WorldClient-F200507062142.AA42260040@kcs.kana.k12.wv.us>

I am a Rev newbie. Two weeks ago I posted a message about creating an application that would 
calculate distance between schools using two scrolling list fields. The first scrolling list field is 
from a school and the second ?scrolling list field is to a school. It was suggested that I use 
custom properties. It was also suggested that the schools be numbered for each scrolling list 
field. For example School A would be 1, School B would be 2, etc. I have 80 schools and the 
distances for each of the schools to other schools. My question is how do I get the schools 
listed in numerical order or give them numbers in a scrolling list field?

Charles Szasz
Lead School Psychologist and Section 504 Coordinator
Kanawha County Schools
(304) 348-7770, Ext. 347




From alisterhp at mac.com  Wed Jul  6 22:07:14 2005
From: alisterhp at mac.com (Alister Pillow)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 11:37:14 +0930
Subject: Spotlight
Message-ID: <4D04E080-57FA-4F96-8CE2-7220FB085244@mac.com>

Hi,
Has anyone tried out Spotlight searches with Revolution? I assumed  
that all text content would be included - but testing suggests that  
only Scripts are being indexed/searched.

According to the Release notes for v2.6:
> --- Spotlight support ---
>
> Use Spotlight to search within Revolution stacks on Mac OS Tiger.   
> This
> feature is automatic and happens in the background.

Regards,
Alister.


From mark at maseurope.net  Wed Jul  6 22:11:45 2005
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 03:11:45 +0100
Subject: Scrolling list fields
In-Reply-To: <WorldClient-F200507062142.AA42260040@kcs.kana.k12.wv.us>
References: <WorldClient-F200507062142.AA42260040@kcs.kana.k12.wv.us>
Message-ID: <2edb693f46f58f3fb343cbd6d3370b44@maseurope.net>

Well, if it's a once only, set-up kind of thing, there's no reason not 
to simply type the numbers in as needed.

To do it by script,

on addNumbers
    repeat with n = 1 to the number of lines in fld "schoolList"
         put n & space before line n of fld "schoolList"
    end repeat
end addNumbers

Assuming that they've subsequently been jumbled up, then

sort lines of fld "schoolList" numeric by word 1 of each

will sort them.


Or have I misunderstood the problem?

Mark

On 7 Jul 2005, at 02:42, CHARLES W SZASZ wrote:

> I am a Rev newbie. Two weeks ago I posted a message about creating an 
> application that would
> calculate distance between schools using two scrolling list fields. 
> The first scrolling list field is
> from a school and the second ?scrolling list field is to a school. It 
> was suggested that I use
> custom properties. It was also suggested that the schools be numbered 
> for each scrolling list
> field. For example School A would be 1, School B would be 2, etc. I 
> have 80 schools and the
> distances for each of the schools to other schools. My question is how 
> do I get the schools
> listed in numerical order or give them numbers in a scrolling list 
> field?
>
> Charles Szasz
> Lead School Psychologist and Section 504 Coordinator
> Kanawha County Schools
> (304) 348-7770, Ext. 347
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
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From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Wed Jul  6 22:34:31 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 22:34:31 -0400
Subject: Setting fonts
In-Reply-To: <F7CDC7C5-E523-4A24-9520-759FD1119443@conncoll.edu>
References: <D03B5E31-6907-45C8-B296-AF00E9B46272@conncoll.edu>
	<70416265-46BA-4688-8877-4DE2991B93A2@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<F7CDC7C5-E523-4A24-9520-759FD1119443@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <C7758004-1371-4196-8C2B-2CE4B716F3AD@conncoll.edu>

I need to modify what I wrote before, quoted below.

The text after the special-font (Courier) lines _does_ get set to  
whatever the new default or owner's font is -- UNLESS it (the lines  
without a specified contains any text _style_ changes. A bit in bold,  
or marked as a link, interrupts the transformation, and any text  
after that is in the old, pre-change default font.

How should I get around this? I can imagine searching each card,  
putting any special-format text into temporary variables, setting the  
style of everything to Plain, changing the font, then  
reformatting . . . a nightmare. At the moment, nothing better is  
occurring to me.

Charles Hartman

On Jul 6, 2005, at 8:03 AM, Charles Hartman wrote:

> Let me clarifiy: a field contains a dozen lines, let's say; the  
> first six and last four have been created using Palatino, with  
> Palatino as the stack font, so there's no font specification on any  
> of those lines. Lines 7-8 have had their Text Formatting properties  
> altered so their font is specified as Courier. Now in the main  
> stack's script I insert the line "set the textfont of me to  
> 'Arial'" and save and close the stack and its substacks and reopen.  
> Now on that example card, in that field, lines 1-6 are Arial, 7-8  
> are Courier (all as expected) -- but lines 9-12 are still in Palatino.
>



From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Wed Jul  6 22:51:44 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:51:44 +1000
Subject: Spotlight
In-Reply-To: <4D04E080-57FA-4F96-8CE2-7220FB085244@mac.com>
References: <4D04E080-57FA-4F96-8CE2-7220FB085244@mac.com>
Message-ID: <01080E0A-B7DC-4EC6-9F05-ED3694867DC0@genesearch.com.au>

> Has anyone tried out Spotlight searches with Revolution? I assumed  
> that all text content would be included - but testing suggests that  
> only Scripts are being indexed/searched.
>
> According to the Release notes for v2.6:
>
>> --- Spotlight support ---
>>
>> Use Spotlight to search within Revolution stacks on Mac OS Tiger.   
>> This
>> feature is automatic and happens in the background.
>>
>
 From the Engine Change Log file:

> Spotlight Plugin
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>   The engine now comes with a Spotlight meta-data imported. At  
> present, the importer sets the following data for indexing:
>   Title - set to the title of the main stack
>   Substacks - the list of substacks in the file
>   Text Content - a concatenation of all scripts in the stack.
>
> Note: the importer ignores stacks that have their password set

Cheers,
Sarah


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Wed Jul  6 23:02:53 2005
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:02:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Setting fonts [OT..abit]
In-Reply-To: <44DC0499-E938-4760-B8F5-031BE7DE02E9@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507062002170.28831-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Really?  Trebuchet MS isn't among the PC list?

Judy

On Wed, 6 Jul 2005, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> For those interested... (as said Chipp :-)
>
> Here are the shared fonts between Mac OS X and Windows XP:
> This does not mean that the result is exactly the same but these
> following fonts "are among the lines of the fontNames" for each
> platform.
>
> Arial (normal, black, narrow)
> Century Gothic
> Comic sans MS
> Courier New
> Georgia
> Impact
> Tahoma
> Times New Roman
> Verdana
> Webdings
> Wingdings
>



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Jul  6 23:26:48 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 22:26:48 -0500
Subject: difference between exists()  &  there is a
In-Reply-To: <17b245820d21f417fb5c2a5496a2d9c8@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <BEF20B28.4B14%kray@sonsothunder.com>

> With regards to substacks (not files or folders) is there a reason to
> choose one syntax over the other?
> <  there is a stack "foo"  >   or  <  exists(stack "foo")  >

Not AFAIK...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jul  6 23:53:33 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:53:33 -0700
Subject: is it me?
Message-ID: <42CCA73D.4090300@fourthworld.com>

It seems that buttons of style default do not give any visual indication 
that they're being pressed in Tiger, even with the autoHilite set to true.

Have any of you seen this?

If you'll confirm I'll post to BZ...

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Thu Jul  7 00:10:29 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:10:29 +1000
Subject: is it me?
In-Reply-To: <42CCA73D.4090300@fourthworld.com>
References: <42CCA73D.4090300@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C7B6E498-F306-4377-AD32-9ED20B0B2B5A@genesearch.com.au>

> It seems that buttons of style default do not give any visual  
> indication that they're being pressed in Tiger, even with the  
> autoHilite set to true.
>
> Have any of you seen this?

Checking this with a dialog in Safari containing one normal button &  
one default, this is what I get:
with no mouse-click, default button pulses blue, other button just grey
hold down mouse button on default button - pulsing stops
hold down mouse button on other button - blue color leaves default  
button and moves to other button, but does not pulse.

In Rev, the blue color does not leave the default button when another  
button is clicked, and the pulsing does not stop while clicked. Apart  
from these, OS X seems to allow for almost no feedback itself, so I'm  
not sure it is really a Rev problem.

Cheers,
Sarah



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Jul  7 00:30:01 2005
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 21:30:01 -0700
Subject: is it me?
In-Reply-To: <42CCA73D.4090300@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <BEF1FDD9.1BDAD%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Richard Gaskin  wrote:

> It seems that buttons of style default do not give any visual indication
> that they're being pressed in Tiger, even with the autoHilite set to true.

I've seen this for a while actually.  Thought it was just me but it's
definitely not a Tiger only thing (10.3.9 here).  I've taken to using
rectangular buttons to get feedback (hiliting) working.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From tereza at califex.com  Thu Jul  7 02:00:31 2005
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 01:00:31 -0500
Subject: Treeview control needed
In-Reply-To: <200507070150.07611.b.alleyne@btinternet.com>
References: <200507070150.07611.b.alleyne@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <2B6FB57D-2557-42C1-947A-99ACC451C29E@califex.com>


On Jul 6, 2005, at 7:50 PM, Brian Alleyne wrote:

> Hi
>
> Does anyone know where I can get a stack or external that implements a
> treeview control? I've seen references on the various runrev  
> resources sites
> but cannot seem to pinpoint an example.
>
> Cheers,
>

I have a reliable old tree field that's fairly efficient, and not  
XML, that works from tabbed text. Email me off list if you're  
interested.


Tereza Snyder

    Califex Software, Inc.
    800 Water Street
    Sauk City, WI 53583
    608.643.2586


From Signe.Sanne at roman.uib.no  Thu Jul  7 02:22:34 2005
From: Signe.Sanne at roman.uib.no (Signe Marie Sanne)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 08:22:34 +0200
Subject: Programming multi line selections
In-Reply-To: <1306042068.20050706215357@liv.ac.uk>
References: <1306042068.20050706215357@liv.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <42CCCA2A.50701@roman.uib.no>

Rob Beynon skrev:
> Colleagues,
> 
> I have a small problem that is driving me nuts..
> 
> I have a series of lines in a field, and I want to program the
> selection of those lines according to the last character of the
> line...I wrote a button script thus...
> 
> on mouseUp
>   select empty
>   put 0 into LineNo
>   repeat for each line peptide in card field "audit"
>   add 1 to LineNo
>   if char(length(peptide)-1) of peptide = "K" then select line LineNo of field "audit"
>  end repeat
> end mouseUp

Try
if char -1 of peptide = "K" then select line LineNo of field "audit"

-- 
Signe Marie Sanne

1. amanuensis/Senior lecturer
Romansk institutt                 	Tlf. 	+47 55 58 21 27
?isteins gt. 1				Epost: 	signe.sanne at roman.uib.no
Universitetet i Bergen

http://www.hf.uib.no/mlab/Info/sms.html


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Jul  7 02:37:18 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:37:18 +0200
Subject: Scrolling list fields
In-Reply-To: <WorldClient-F200507062142.AA42260040@kcs.kana.k12.wv.us>
References: <WorldClient-F200507062142.AA42260040@kcs.kana.k12.wv.us>
Message-ID: <7868442B-4DC0-4AA9-A070-E1E25A52625B@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Charles,

I saw the answer of Mark.
If you don't want the user to see the numbers, you can use a list  
like the following using tabs:

<school name> tab <school number>

Set the tab-stops of the field to put the second item out of view.
Sort your field with:

set the itemDel to tab
sort fld <field name> numeric by item 2 of each

Hope this helps.
Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

Le 7 juil. 05 ? 03:42, CHARLES W SZASZ a ?crit :

> I am a Rev newbie. Two weeks ago I posted a message about creating  
> an application that would
> calculate distance between schools using two scrolling list fields.  
> The first scrolling list field is
> from a school and the second  scrolling list field is to a school.  
> It was suggested that I use
> custom properties. It was also suggested that the schools be  
> numbered for each scrolling list
> field. For example School A would be 1, School B would be 2, etc. I  
> have 80 schools and the
> distances for each of the schools to other schools. My question is  
> how do I get the schools
> listed in numerical order or give them numbers in a scrolling list  
> field?

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From bob.earp at ashford.ca  Thu Jul  7 03:14:53 2005
From: bob.earp at ashford.ca (Robert J. Earp)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 00:14:53 -0700
Subject: Embedding Fonts
Message-ID: <42CCD66D.5020804@ashford.ca>

Mark, thanks for the info however I'm looking primarily for a Win 
solution (as that's where pretty much all of my clients are) and it 
really does not help much having to mess around with loaders and 
registries and the like.  A number of clients just don't want stuff 
loaded on their machines at all, and yes I know this does not make a lot 
of sense to some people.  Somehow ToolBook does not do this, you simply 
tell it to embed a font and assuming you have the rights to the font 
then it allows you.

Thanks again for the reply.

best, Bob...

>Assuming you have the rights to the fonts, lets focus on how this can  
>be done.  Store the fonts in a custom property and spit them out to  
>the appropriate directory for each OS.  This is really easy to do for  
>Macs.  If you take a look at RevNet, you can download CS Fonts  
>Installer.  It will give you an idea of how this can be done.   
>Windows requires certain registry settings to be made.  I have not  
>taken the time to figure those out.  Maybe someone here has and will  
>be able to provide the needed changes.  A workaround is to use an  
>installer for your Windows fonts.  I make the installer for the fonts  
>and them suck that up into a custom property.  Spit it out and run  
>the installer if your app finds the needed fonts to be missing.
>
>I have done the above and it works perfectly.  Let me know if you  
>need more details on this.  If you would like to see it in action,  
>just write me off list and I will give you a code to unlock the fonts  
>we sell.
>
>
>Mark Talluto
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Jul  7 04:30:48 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:30:48 +0200
Subject: SelectionChanged issue
Message-ID: <4537A83C-C626-447B-AEBA-CF723CAEBF03@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi all,

When you click anywhere in the text of an editable field,  
selectionChanged is not sent by the engine (part of this behaviour is  
bugzilla #1057).
A combination of selectionChanged and rawKeyUp does not allow to trap  
all events.
So here is a best way than using a pending message (kind of 75-mm gun  
to shoot a spider as we say in French -:) to know if there is at  
least 1 selected char in a field and not only the insertion point  
blinking?

Best Regards from Paris,

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From xbury.cs at clearstream.com  Thu Jul  7 04:34:35 2005
From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:34:35 +0200
Subject: SelectionChanged issue
In-Reply-To: <4537A83C-C626-447B-AEBA-CF723CAEBF03@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <OFC7A05225.E16401F0-ONC1257037.002EFC67-C1257037.002F0BB9@deutsche-boerse.com>

Hi Eric

Just use the selectedchunk...

You'll see the difference between one selected char and just an insertion 
point
when word 4 of the selchunk <= than word 2 of the selchunk. If i remember 
correctly.

Hope that answers it... 

On 07/07/2005 10:30:48 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>When you click anywhere in the text of an editable field,
>selectionChanged is not sent by the engine (part of this behaviour is
>bugzilla #1057).
>A combination of selectionChanged and rawKeyUp does not allow to trap
>all events.
>So here is a best way than using a pending message (kind of 75-mm gun
>to shoot a spider as we say in French -:) to know if there is at
>least 1 selected char in a field and not only the insertion point
>blinking?
>
>Best Regards from Paris,
>
>Eric Chatonet.
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Jul  7 04:37:51 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:37:51 +0200
Subject: SelectionChanged issue
In-Reply-To: <OFC7A05225.E16401F0-ONC1257037.002EFC67-C1257037.002F0BB9@deutsche-boerse.com>
References: <OFC7A05225.E16401F0-ONC1257037.002EFC67-C1257037.002F0BB9@deutsche-boerse.com>
Message-ID: <360393FF-4319-4F68-B2AB-27ABE4581FAB@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Xavier,

Thank you.
You are right.
But the problem is that I want to know that in real time to enable/ 
disable a button :-)

Le 7 juil. 05 ? 10:34, xbury.cs at clearstream.com a ?crit :

> Just use the selectedchunk...
>
> You'll see the difference between one selected char and just an  
> insertion
> point
> when word 4 of the selchunk <= than word 2 of the selchunk. If i  
> remember
> correctly.

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From xbury.cs at clearstream.com  Thu Jul  7 04:41:09 2005
From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:41:09 +0200
Subject: SelectionChanged issue
In-Reply-To: <360393FF-4319-4F68-B2AB-27ABE4581FAB@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <OF52D38C1E.253F55B7-ONC1257037.002F873A-C1257037.002FA5C8@deutsche-boerse.com>

Then cover all the events possible (closefield, enterfield, etc...)

Dont forget to "pass" the events...

It's the best way. Im now aware of any problems.

One other way which i use in a plugin is to send repeated checks with a 
timed send message.

cheers
Xavier

On 07/07/2005 10:37:51 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>Hi Xavier,
>
>Thank you.
>You are right.
>But the problem is that I want to know that in real time to enable/
>disable a button :-)
>
>Le 7 juil. 05 ? 10:34, xbury.cs at clearstream.com a ?crit :
>
>> Just use the selectedchunk...
>>
>> You'll see the difference between one selected char and just an
>> insertion
>> point
>> when word 4 of the selchunk <= than word 2 of the selchunk. If i
>> remember
>> correctly.
>
>Best Regards from Paris,
>
>Eric Chatonet.
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Jul  7 04:49:55 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:49:55 +0200
Subject: SelectionChanged issue
In-Reply-To: <OF52D38C1E.253F55B7-ONC1257037.002F873A-C1257037.002FA5C8@deutsche-boerse.com>
References: <OF52D38C1E.253F55B7-ONC1257037.002F873A-C1257037.002FA5C8@deutsche-boerse.com>
Message-ID: <F538C49A-ED3D-444B-B384-FB2C9FFA2DA3@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Xavier,

Not any message is sent by the engine when you just click anywhere in  
the text of a field.
My question was:
Is there a best way than using a pending message (kind of 75-mm gun  
to shoot a spider as we say in French -:) to know in real time if  
there is at least 1 selected char in a field and not only the  
insertion point blinking?
At the moment I use a pending message which checks if word 4 of the  
selectedChunk >= word 2 of the selectedChunk
I would find a light solution :-)

Le 7 juil. 05 ? 10:41, xbury.cs at clearstream.com a ?crit :

> Then cover all the events possible (closefield, enterfield, etc...)
>
> Dont forget to "pass" the events...
>
> It's the best way. Im now aware of any problems.
>
> One other way which i use in a plugin is to send repeated checks  
> with a
> timed send message.
>
> cheers
> Xavier
>
> On 07/07/2005 10:37:51 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>
>> Hi Xavier,
>>
>> Thank you.
>> You are right.
>> But the problem is that I want to know that in real time to enable/
>> disable a button :-)
>>
>> Le 7 juil. 05 ? 10:34, xbury.cs at clearstream.com a ?crit :
>>
>>
>>> Just use the selectedchunk...
>>>
>>> You'll see the difference between one selected char and just an
>>> insertion
>>> point
>>> when word 4 of the selchunk <= than word 2 of the selchunk. If i
>>> remember
>>> correctly.
>>>
>>
>> Best Regards from Paris,
>>
>> Eric Chatonet.
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
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From xbury.cs at clearstream.com  Thu Jul  7 04:53:00 2005
From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:53:00 +0200
Subject: SelectionChanged issue
In-Reply-To: <F538C49A-ED3D-444B-B384-FB2C9FFA2DA3@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <OF28D553A8.EF2E598B-ONC1257037.0030AD21-C1257037.0030BB7F@deutsche-boerse.com>

I would say to use the mousewithin (the howitzer canon) or an idle 
message...

Is the idle so bad?

on idle
  get the selchunk
  if it is empty or myfield is not in it then pass idle
end idle...

a millisecond trigger should do the trick too...

On 07/07/2005 10:49:55 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>Hi Xavier,
>
>Not any message is sent by the engine when you just click anywhere in
>the text of a field.
>My question was:
>Is there a best way than using a pending message (kind of 75-mm gun
>to shoot a spider as we say in French -:) to know in real time if
>there is at least 1 selected char in a field and not only the
>insertion point blinking?
>At the moment I use a pending message which checks if word 4 of the
>selectedChunk >= word 2 of the selectedChunk
>I would find a light solution :-)
>
>Le 7 juil. 05 ? 10:41, xbury.cs at clearstream.com a ?crit :
>
>> Then cover all the events possible (closefield, enterfield, etc...)
>>
>> Dont forget to "pass" the events...
>>
>> It's the best way. Im now aware of any problems.
>>
>> One other way which i use in a plugin is to send repeated checks
>> with a
>> timed send message.
>>
>> cheers
>> Xavier
>>
>> On 07/07/2005 10:37:51 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Xavier,
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>> You are right.
>>> But the problem is that I want to know that in real time to enable/
>>> disable a button :-)
>>>
>>> Le 7 juil. 05 ? 10:34, xbury.cs at clearstream.com a ?crit :
>>>
>>>
>>>> Just use the selectedchunk...
>>>>
>>>> You'll see the difference between one selected char and just an
>>>> insertion
>>>> point
>>>> when word 4 of the selchunk <= than word 2 of the selchunk. If i
>>>> remember
>>>> correctly.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Best Regards from Paris,
>>>
>>> Eric Chatonet.



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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Jul  7 05:07:39 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 11:07:39 +0200
Subject: SelectionChanged issue
In-Reply-To: <OF28D553A8.EF2E598B-ONC1257037.0030AD21-C1257037.0030BB7F@deutsche-boerse.com>
References: <OF28D553A8.EF2E598B-ONC1257037.0030AD21-C1257037.0030BB7F@deutsche-boerse.com>
Message-ID: <F72FEF7A-DA02-402B-BC80-538E55AA86C6@sosmartsoftware.com>

Xavier,

Idle or mouseWithin are sent repeatedly by the engine.
The delay is fixed according to the idleRate property (200  
milliseconds by default) for both messages.
Good to know...
But here it does not interest me since I don't want a plugin to  
change this property within the user IDE and interfere with his/her  
own settings...

Le 7 juil. 05 ? 10:53, xbury.cs at clearstream.com a ?crit :

> I would say to use the mousewithin (the howitzer canon) or an idle
> message...
>
> Is the idle so bad?
>
> on idle
>   get the selchunk
>   if it is empty or myfield is not in it then pass idle
> end idle...
>
> a millisecond trigger should do the trick too...
>
> On 07/07/2005 10:49:55 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>
>> Hi Xavier,
>>
>> Not any message is sent by the engine when you just click anywhere in
>> the text of a field.
>> My question was:
>> Is there a best way than using a pending message (kind of 75-mm gun
>> to shoot a spider as we say in French -:) to know in real time if
>> there is at least 1 selected char in a field and not only the
>> insertion point blinking?
>> At the moment I use a pending message which checks if word 4 of the
>> selectedChunk >= word 2 of the selectedChunk
>> I would find a light solution :-)
>>
>> Le 7 juil. 05 ? 10:41, xbury.cs at clearstream.com a ?crit :
>>
>>
>>> Then cover all the events possible (closefield, enterfield, etc...)
>>>
>>> Dont forget to "pass" the events...
>>>
>>> It's the best way. Im now aware of any problems.
>>>
>>> One other way which i use in a plugin is to send repeated checks
>>> with a
>>> timed send message.
>>>
>>> cheers
>>> Xavier
>>>
>>> On 07/07/2005 10:37:51 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Xavier,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>> You are right.
>>>> But the problem is that I want to know that in real time to enable/
>>>> disable a button :-)
>>>>
>>>> Le 7 juil. 05 ? 10:34, xbury.cs at clearstream.com a ?crit :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Just use the selectedchunk...
>>>>>
>>>>> You'll see the difference between one selected char and just an
>>>>> insertion
>>>>> point
>>>>> when word 4 of the selchunk <= than word 2 of the selchunk. If i
>>>>> remember
>>>>> correctly.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards from Paris,
>>>>
>>>> Eric Chatonet.


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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Jul  7 06:00:42 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:00:42 +0200
Subject: [ANN][EN][FR] Encoded Text Picker enhanced
Message-ID: <6564EC4F-2777-49FC-8DCB-C0EA30ED9DED@sosmartsoftware.com>

Paris, Mon, 7 Jul 2005 12:00:00 +0100

---------------------- English version -------------------------

Hello,

After great feedbacks from users, I made interesting enhancements to  
the Encoded Text P?cker plugin released 2 days ago:

What's new in version 1.2 :

? Interface revision.
? Addition of a font/size menu in the "Normal Text" section.
? Addition of a menu in the "HTML Text" section allowing to insert  
various tags.

Encoded Text Picker 1.2

Category:
HTML and URLencode translator
Description:
Ability to translate both to and from HTML and/or URLEncode.
Integrated search and replace features (including tab and return.)
Ability to determine text style and color. Copy function.
Bilingual help (English/French) included.
Identical appearance on all platforms.

Enjoy,
Best regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

--------------------- Version fran?aise ------------------------

Bonjour,

A la suite de commentaires pertinents ? propos de la version  
d'Encoded Text Picker parue il y a 2 jours, j'ai apport? diff?rentes  
am?liorations ? ce plugin :

Quoi de neuf dans la version 1.2 :

? R?vision de l'interface.
? Ajout d'un menu dans la section "Normal Text" permettant de fixer  
la police et la taille de la s?lection.
? Ajout d'un menu dans la section "HTML Text" permettant d'ins?rer  
diff?rentes balises.

Encoded Text Picker 1.2

Cat?gorie:
Traducteur HTML et URLEncode
Description:
Traduction en tous sens depuis et vers les encodages HTML et URLEncode
Recherche/remplacement int?gr?e (y compris tab et return).
Commandes de style et de couleur du texte. Fonction copie.
Pile d'aide bilingue (fran?ais/anglais) incluse.
Apparence identique sur toutes les plates-formes.

Bonnes d?couvertes,
Cordialement,

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From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Thu Jul  7 08:29:08 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:29:08 -0400
Subject: Question on Geometry
Message-ID: <A0B3A1FD-06E5-4B6B-8CA9-D17C55831819@conncoll.edu>

Is there a tutorial or overview of "Geometry" settings somewhere?

Meanwhile I'm doing the old Try It & See. I've got a card with a  
field and a button (not grouped). If I set the Geometry of the field  
to "scale" and that of the button to "position", the combination  
doesn't stick. Apparently the two are tied together.

That makes logical internal sense (the geometries of several items on  
a card are interdependent), but it doesn't make any sense from a UI  
standpoint. If the user resizes the card, it will be to make the  
field bigger, but making the button bigger just looks silly. What am  
I missing?

Charles Hartman
Professor of English, Poet in Residence
Connecticut College
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From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Thu Jul  7 08:33:29 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:33:29 -0400
Subject: Setting fonts
References: <C7758004-1371-4196-8C2B-2CE4B716F3AD@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <4255DBC7-A113-4CD4-B092-B597A549CD91@conncoll.edu>

(As far as I can tell this didn't go through when I sent it before.)


I need to modify what I wrote before, quoted below.

The text after the special-font (Courier) lines _does_ get set to  
whatever the new default or owner's font is -- UNLESS it (the lines  
without a specified contains any text _style_ changes. A bit in bold,  
or marked as a link, interrupts the transformation, and any text  
after that is in the old, pre-change default font.

How should I get around this? I can imagine searching each card,  
putting any special-format text into temporary variables, setting the  
style of everything to Plain, changing the font, then  
reformatting . . . a nightmare. At the moment, nothing better is  
occurring to me.

Charles Hartman

On Jul 6, 2005, at 8:03 AM, Charles Hartman wrote:

> Let me clarifiy: a field contains a dozen lines, let's say; the  
> first six and last four have been created using Palatino, with  
> Palatino as the stack font, so there's no font specification on any  
> of those lines. Lines 7-8 have had their Text Formatting properties  
> altered so their font is specified as Courier. Now in the main  
> stack's script I insert the line "set the textfont of me to  
> 'Arial'" and save and close the stack and its substacks and reopen.  
> Now on that example card, in that field, lines 1-6 are Arial, 7-8  
> are Courier (all as expected) -- but lines 9-12 are still in Palatino.
>




From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Jul  7 09:05:15 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 15:05:15 +0200
Subject: Question on Geometry
In-Reply-To: <A0B3A1FD-06E5-4B6B-8CA9-D17C55831819@conncoll.edu>
References: <A0B3A1FD-06E5-4B6B-8CA9-D17C55831819@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <F199B37B-60BF-4253-AAEA-4468CC5ED443@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Charles,

You are a lucky man: I released 3 days ago a tutorial about geometry:

Le 4 juillet 2005 ? 18:26:, Eric Chatonet a ?crit :

> So Smart Software has the pleasure of announcing the availability  
> of a new tutorial:
> How to Manage Resizing
>
> This stack explains how to position, scale, etc. all controls in a  
> card when the window is resized with the help of the Geometry  
> Manager or by scripting.
> Tips and tricks, commented scripts, FAQ and example stacks.
> Print function included.
>
> If you have already downloaded the Tutorials Picker plugin (from  
> Rev Online or my web-site), this 17th tutorial will appear  
> automatically in the list.
> This tutorial can be downloaded as a zip archive separately from  
> http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/?r=revolution_didacticiels&l=en
> Note that the version available through Tutorials Picker will be  
> the only one which will be updated if needed.

Le 7 juil. 05 ? 14:29, Charles Hartman a ?crit :

> Is there a tutorial or overview of "Geometry" settings somewhere?
>
> Meanwhile I'm doing the old Try It & See. I've got a card with a  
> field and a button (not grouped). If I set the Geometry of the  
> field to "scale" and that of the button to "position", the  
> combination doesn't stick. Apparently the two are tied together.
>
> That makes logical internal sense (the geometries of several items  
> on a card are interdependent), but it doesn't make any sense from a  
> UI standpoint. If the user resizes the card, it will be to make the  
> field bigger, but making the button bigger just looks silly. What  
> am I missing?

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From tominjapan at excite.com  Thu Jul  7 09:49:09 2005
From: tominjapan at excite.com (Thomas McCarthy)
Date: Thu,  7 Jul 2005 09:49:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Running a Chat server via CGI
Message-ID: <20050707134909.8E83F3BFF@xprdmailfe9.nwk.excite.com>


I've got my rev chat server-client thing almost working. I was going to just run it off my desktop, but then I was given the opportunity to use some web-space and found that I could get a rev cgi engine up and working in no time--Weee!

Now my question, before I waste mountains of time on this, what should I know? Can a cgi script write to sockets? My client-side will still be Rev stacks.

any pointers would be appreciated
tom

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From ridge11103 at btinternet.com  Thu Jul  7 09:49:46 2005
From: ridge11103 at btinternet.com (John Ridge)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 14:49:46 +0100
Subject: [ANN][EN][FR] Encoded Text Picker enhanced
In-Reply-To: <6564EC4F-2777-49FC-8DCB-C0EA30ED9DED@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <BEF2F18A.4A02%ridge11103@btinternet.com>

I can't get v1.2 to put the HTML coding onto the clipboard. Instead it seems
to be putting the text itself. This worked in v1.1, so...

I don't think it's OS 9!

Best wishes
John 


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Jul  7 09:52:10 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 08:52:10 -0500
Subject: Setting fonts
In-Reply-To: <4255DBC7-A113-4CD4-B092-B597A549CD91@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <BEF29DBA.4BDD%kray@sonsothunder.com>


> I need to modify what I wrote before, quoted below.
> 
> The text after the special-font (Courier) lines _does_ get set to
> whatever the new default or owner's font is -- UNLESS it (the lines
> without a specified contains any text _style_ changes. A bit in bold,
> or marked as a link, interrupts the transformation, and any text
> after that is in the old, pre-change default font.

That's correct. Inheritance of text attributes is broken as soon as any
style changes. I wish it weren't so, but this is indeed the case.
 
> How should I get around this? I can imagine searching each card,
> putting any special-format text into temporary variables, setting the
> style of everything to Plain, changing the font, then
> reformatting . . . a nightmare. At the moment, nothing better is
> occurring to me.

I have successfully used a frontScript that would trap preOpenCard and then
repeat through all of the fields and set their text attributes to a known
common value, but also checking a custom property of the fields to see if
special handling should occur for a particular field. It works really fast,
and isn't too many lines of code.







From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Jul  7 09:55:06 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 08:55:06 -0500
Subject: Embedding Fonts
In-Reply-To: <42CCD66D.5020804@ashford.ca>
Message-ID: <BEF29E6A.4BDE%kray@sonsothunder.com>


> Mark, thanks for the info however I'm looking primarily for a Win
> solution (as that's where pretty much all of my clients are) and it
> really does not help much having to mess around with loaders and
> registries and the like.  A number of clients just don't want stuff
> loaded on their machines at all, and yes I know this does not make a lot
> of sense to some people.  Somehow ToolBook does not do this, you simply
> tell it to embed a font and assuming you have the rights to the font
> then it allows you.

Yes, Flash and Director (among others) do the same thing... it would be a
great advantage to have this in Rev also. Bob, if it's not already in
Bugzilla as an enhancement request, I'd suggest you throw it in there.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/





From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Thu Jul  7 09:57:53 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 09:57:53 -0400
Subject: Embedding Fonts
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A946A324@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

In order to acquire font information - revolution must look for a font
file in some particular folder - right? Is there some IDE stack that is
involved in doing this? If so, perhaps it could be altered to look for a
font file in a different location, when requested to do so?

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ray
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 9:55 AM
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Subject: Re: Embedding Fonts


> Mark, thanks for the info however I'm looking primarily for a Win
> solution (as that's where pretty much all of my clients are) and it
> really does not help much having to mess around with loaders and
> registries and the like.  A number of clients just don't want stuff
> loaded on their machines at all, and yes I know this does not make a
lot
> of sense to some people.  Somehow ToolBook does not do this, you
simply
> tell it to embed a font and assuming you have the rights to the font
> then it allows you.

Yes, Flash and Director (among others) do the same thing... it would be
a
great advantage to have this in Rev also. Bob, if it's not already in
Bugzilla as an enhancement request, I'd suggest you throw it in there.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/



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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Jul  7 10:08:50 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:08:50 +0200
Subject: [ANN][EN][FR] Encoded Text Picker enhanced
In-Reply-To: <BEF2F18A.4A02%ridge11103@btinternet.com>
References: <BEF2F18A.4A02%ridge11103@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <AC2BF01C-7864-4046-8C81-00B0DFAA522B@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi John,

The copy feature put the whole normal, HTML or URLEncoded text (or  
just the selection if there is one) on the clipboard.
There are no fields especially dedicated to a kind of text: the same  
field is used for all.
So, if you see HTML text in the Encoded Text Picker window, this HTML  
text should be on the clipboard.
It acts exactly like that here.
In addition, I made not any modification to this feature since  
version 1.0. So I wonder...
May be you think you clicked on the Copy button but you did not ;-)
More seriously, could you test further and let me know?
Thank you.

Le 7 juil. 05 ? 15:49, John Ridge a ?crit :

> I can't get v1.2 to put the HTML coding onto the clipboard. Instead  
> it seems
> to be putting the text itself. This worked in v1.1, so...

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Thu Jul  7 10:12:45 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:12:45 -0400
Subject: Setting fonts
In-Reply-To: <BEF29DBA.4BDD%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <BEF29DBA.4BDD%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <ACE1D77D-269F-4762-AD70-8AAED5259DC6@conncoll.edu>


On Jul 7, 2005, at 9:52 AM, Ken Ray wrote:

>
>
>> I need to modify what I wrote before, quoted below.
>>
>> The text after the special-font (Courier) lines _does_ get set to
>> whatever the new default or owner's font is -- UNLESS it (the lines
>> without a specified contains any text _style_ changes. A bit in bold,
>> or marked as a link, interrupts the transformation, and any text
>> after that is in the old, pre-change default font.
>>
>
> That's correct. Inheritance of text attributes is broken as soon as  
> any
> style changes. I wish it weren't so, but this is indeed the case.

Oh dear.

>
>
>> How should I get around this? I can imagine searching each card,
>> putting any special-format text into temporary variables, setting the
>> style of everything to Plain, changing the font, then
>> reformatting . . . a nightmare. At the moment, nothing better is
>> occurring to me.
>>
>
> I have successfully used a frontScript that would trap preOpenCard  
> and then
> repeat through all of the fields and set their text attributes to a  
> known
> common value, but also checking a custom property of the fields to  
> see if
> special handling should occur for a particular field. It works  
> really fast,
> and isn't too many lines of code.
>

Cool. But (1) what about "special handling" that affects not a whole  
field but some chunks within the field? And (2) doesn't this approach  
take an awful lot of (that is, potentially a noticeable amount of) time?

Charles Hartman



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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Thu Jul  7 10:23:17 2005
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:23:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Embedding Fonts
In-Reply-To: <BEF29E6A.4BDE%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507070721110.10470-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Ken,

Really? Director lets/let you embed fonts?

(Sorry for continuing to look stoopid, but this was the first thing I
asked of our program's 'Director Guru' in my edu-based MS program and he
said 'no can do'... I guess I shouldn't be surprised??)

Judy

On Thu, 7 Jul 2005, Ken Ray wrote:

> Yes, Flash and Director (among others) do the same thing... it would be a
> great advantage to have this in Rev also. Bob, if it's not already in
> Bugzilla as an enhancement request, I'd suggest you throw it in there.



From gefisher at mac.com  Thu Jul  7 10:26:54 2005
From: gefisher at mac.com (Glenn E. Fisher)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 09:26:54 -0500
Subject: Question on Geometry
Message-ID: <e1dcdc0e43d844321bd34d416f68242f@mac.com>

at July 7, 2005 7:29:08 AM CDT Charles Hartman wrote:
> Is there a tutorial or overview of "Geometry" settings somewhere?

Try the "Geometry Manager" entries at this link:

http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/VideoTutorials.htm

HTH,
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From richmond at mail.maclaunch.com  Thu Jul  7 05:16:13 2005
From: richmond at mail.maclaunch.com (Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 05:16:13 -0400
Subject: embedding objects in scrolling fields & adolescents
Message-ID: <web-334142417@mail.maclaunch.com>

My experience with  educational use of computers stretches
back for years & with GUIs about 12 - so for what its worth
this is why I think embedding objects in scrolling fields
is a good thing:

['adolescents' is to be taken to mean pupils/students
between 12 and 22 - no offence intended]

On opening an educational multimedia program (such as those
authored in Hypercard, RR, MC and so on) the first reaction
is impulsive: the pupil clicks on every clickable thing in
sight - all very interactive and guaranteeing that the
amount of information absorbed by the pupil is minimal!

If I wish my target audience to do some reading (OK, I know
that in certain parts of the world reading is being played
down - I am an old-fashioned reactionary) I have to find a
way to stop the "mindless clicking" - there seem to be 2
solutions to this:

1. Just present windows filled with text alone . . .
    I have found (I've actually tried this!) that pupils go
"off the boil" quicker than I can snap my fingers - a 19th
century text book on-screen is a major turn-off.

2.  Embed the 'jazzy buttons' in a scrollable text field
and let the pupils know that the REWARD (Oh, No, not a
behaviourist!) for reading the text will present itself in
due course - admittedly some 'bright' pupil will just
scroll down until he/she finds the clickables and miss out
the reading.

HOWEVER, I do believe that by embedding multimedia buttons
/ movie-players in the text this will minimise crazy
clicking.

While a large part of the world is hooked on the "I want it
now" idea, and the servicing of the minimal attention span.
I want to SLOW PUPILS DOWN so that they absorb information,
see multimedia in a meaningful CONTEXT, and are forced to
pay attention for more than a 2 second sound-bite.

Sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Thu Jul  7 10:33:48 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:33:48 -0400
Subject: embedding objects in scrolling fields & adolescents
In-Reply-To: <web-334142417@mail.maclaunch.com>
References: <web-334142417@mail.maclaunch.com>
Message-ID: <CAD86203-2CE4-4B5D-B388-B082A8C69425@conncoll.edu>

Hear, hear!

On Jul 7, 2005, at 5:16 AM, Mathewson wrote:

> My experience with  educational use of computers stretches
> back for years & with GUIs about 12 - so for what its worth
> this is why I think embedding objects in scrolling fields
> is a good thing:
>
> ['adolescents' is to be taken to mean pupils/students
> between 12 and 22 - no offence intended]
>
> On opening an educational multimedia program (such as those
> authored in Hypercard, RR, MC and so on) the first reaction
> is impulsive: the pupil clicks on every clickable thing in
> sight - all very interactive and guaranteeing that the
> amount of information absorbed by the pupil is minimal!
>
> If I wish my target audience to do some reading (OK, I know
> that in certain parts of the world reading is being played
> down - I am an old-fashioned reactionary) I have to find a
> way to stop the "mindless clicking" - there seem to be 2
> solutions to this:
>
> 1. Just present windows filled with text alone . . .
>     I have found (I've actually tried this!) that pupils go
> "off the boil" quicker than I can snap my fingers - a 19th
> century text book on-screen is a major turn-off.
>
> 2.  Embed the 'jazzy buttons' in a scrollable text field
> and let the pupils know that the REWARD (Oh, No, not a
> behaviourist!) for reading the text will present itself in
> due course - admittedly some 'bright' pupil will just
> scroll down until he/she finds the clickables and miss out
> the reading.
>
> HOWEVER, I do believe that by embedding multimedia buttons
> / movie-players in the text this will minimise crazy
> clicking.
>
> While a large part of the world is hooked on the "I want it
> now" idea, and the servicing of the minimal attention span.
> I want to SLOW PUPILS DOWN so that they absorb information,
> see multimedia in a meaningful CONTEXT, and are forced to
> pay attention for more than a 2 second sound-bite.
>
> Sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
>
> __________________________________________________
> See Mathewson's software at:
>
> http://members.maclaunch.com/richmond/default.html
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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Jul  7 10:43:33 2005
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:43:33 +0200
Subject: Embedding Fonts
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507070721110.10470-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507070721110.10470-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <76DEB15C-35E7-465A-8FC7-56CCF650D658@major-k.de>

Hi Judy,

> Ken,
>
> Really? Director lets/let you embed fonts?

yes, and already when i touched Director the last time, which is now
about 6 years ago (the year i discovered Metacard :-)...

> (Sorry for continuing to look stoopid, but this was the first thing I
> asked of our program's 'Director Guru'

Sounds like he is just a con man ;-)

> in my edu-based MS program and he
> said 'no can do'... I guess I shouldn't be surprised??)
>
> Judy

Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From userev at canelasoftware.com  Thu Jul  7 13:01:22 2005
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:01:22 -0700
Subject: Embedding Fonts
In-Reply-To: <42CCD66D.5020804@ashford.ca>
References: <42CCD66D.5020804@ashford.ca>
Message-ID: <392AE4C9-A699-4BE8-A716-0A6DE070A1E1@canelasoftware.com>


On Jul 7, 2005, at 12:14 AM, Robert J. Earp wrote:

> Mark, thanks for the info however I'm looking primarily for a Win  
> solution (as that's where pretty much all of my clients are) and it  
> really does not help much having to mess around with loaders and  
> registries and the like.  A number of clients just don't want stuff  
> loaded on their machines at all, and yes I know this does not make  
> a lot of sense to some people.  Somehow ToolBook does not do this,  
> you simply tell it to embed a font and assuming you have the rights  
> to the font then it allows you.

I get it.  The font is never installed in the first place with the TB  
method.  A little slow I know.  Sounds interesting.


Mark Talluto
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http://www.canelasoftware.com



From Ms1 at soas.ac.uk  Thu Jul  7 13:11:24 2005
From: Ms1 at soas.ac.uk (Muaadh Salih)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 17:11:24 +0000
Subject: linecolor
Message-ID: <1120756284.c0bfe5a0Ms1@soas.ac.uk>

How can one write a line script to set line color?
We can set the linesize to a number but it seems 
we don't have such a property for line color
any help ?



From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Jul  7 13:24:56 2005
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 19:24:56 +0200
Subject: linecolor
In-Reply-To: <1120756284.c0bfe5a0Ms1@soas.ac.uk>
References: <1120756284.c0bfe5a0Ms1@soas.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <CAE52B5C-B32B-4F62-A293-0B8F825BD24A@major-k.de>

Hi Muaadh,

> How can one write a line script to set line color?
> We can set the linesize to a number but it seems
> we don't have such a property for line color
> any help ?

You can set the "linecolor" of Graphics, for other objects (like  
fields e.g.)
you can set the "bordercolor" by script.

Is that what you mean?


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From rev at armbase.com  Thu Jul  7 13:56:18 2005
From: rev at armbase.com (rev at armbase.com)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 18:56:18 +0100
Subject: change font size
Message-ID: <1120758978.42cd6cc2ebbf1@webmail.armbase.com>

Hi All
I have a sript that inserts the name of a label on one stack, to that of the
contents of a field on another stack. This works OK.

I would like to change the font size (just like rev does in the text size bit of
the inspector. I have a textfield (LabelNewTextsize) that the user can type in a
value, I tried 24, and hoped that he text size would change to 24pt. But no
luck.

Any Ideas
Regards
Bob

The script is below

on mouseUp
  global tFileName
  set the text of field LabelName of stack tFileName to field LabelNewName of
stack "Armbase"
  set the name of field LabelName of stack tFileName to field LabelNewName of
stack "Armbase"
  set the textsize of field LabelName of stack tFileName to field
LabelNewTextsize of stack "Armbase"
  --the above is OK and copies the label and changes its name to the contents of
a field  but the resize doesn't work
end mouseUp



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Jul  7 14:01:16 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 20:01:16 +0200
Subject: change font size
In-Reply-To: <1120758978.42cd6cc2ebbf1@webmail.armbase.com>
References: <1120758978.42cd6cc2ebbf1@webmail.armbase.com>
Message-ID: <7464C9EF-E99D-4834-B58C-660E0ECD8572@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi "armbase" :-),

Probably the text size of your field is already set.
So you could try this:

set the textsize of char 1 to -1 of field LabelName of stack tFileName \
to field LabelNewTextsize of stack "Armbase"

Hope this helps.

Le 7 juil. 05 ? 19:56, rev at armbase.com a ?crit :

> Hi All
> I have a sript that inserts the name of a label on one stack, to  
> that of the
> contents of a field on another stack. This works OK.
>
> I would like to change the font size (just like rev does in the  
> text size bit of
> the inspector. I have a textfield (LabelNewTextsize) that the user  
> can type in a
> value, I tried 24, and hoped that he text size would change to  
> 24pt. But no
> luck.
>
> Any Ideas
> Regards
> Bob
>
> The script is below
>
> on mouseUp
>   global tFileName
>   set the text of field LabelName of stack tFileName to field  
> LabelNewName of
> stack "Armbase"
>   set the name of field LabelName of stack tFileName to field  
> LabelNewName of
> stack "Armbase"
>   set the textsize of field LabelName of stack tFileName to field
> LabelNewTextsize of stack "Armbase"
>   --the above is OK and copies the label and changes its name to  
> the contents of
> a field  but the resize doesn't work
> end mouseUp

Best Regards from Paris,

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From rev at armbase.com  Thu Jul  7 14:03:38 2005
From: rev at armbase.com (rev at armbase.com)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 19:03:38 +0100
Subject: change font size
In-Reply-To: <1120758978.42cd6cc2ebbf1@webmail.armbase.com>
References: <1120758978.42cd6cc2ebbf1@webmail.armbase.com>
Message-ID: <1120759418.42cd6e7acf902@webmail.armbase.com>

Quoting rev at armbase.com:

> Hi All

well just as I got it typed I came up with an idea.

I used this script.


> on mouseUp
>   global tFileName
>   set the text of field LabelName of stack tFileName to field LabelNewName of
> stack "Armbase"
>   set the name of field LabelName of stack tFileName to field LabelNewName of
> stack "Armbase"
>   set the textsize of field LabelName of stack tFileName to field
> LabelNewTextsize of stack "Armbase"
>   --the above is OK and copies the label and changes its name to the contents
> of
> a field  but the resize doesn't work
> end mouseUp
>

New script

on mouseUp
  global tFileName
  set the textsize of field LabelName of stack "Armbase" to field
LabelNewTextsize of stack "Armbase"
  copy field "LabelName" of stack "Armbase" to card 1 of stack tFileName
  set the text of field LabelName of stack tFileName to field LabelNewName of
stack "Armbase"
  set the name of field LabelName of stack tFileName to field LabelNewName of
stack "Armbase"
  --set the textsize of field LabelName of stack tFileName to field
LabelNewTextsize of stack "Armbase"
  --the above is OK and copies the label and changes its name to the contents of
a field  but the resize doesn't work
end mouseUp

Now the problem with this is that the label is huge in the original stack.

Any ideas about a cleaner workaround? I suppose I could create a prefernces
stack for text etc.

All the best
Bob
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From rev at armbase.com  Thu Jul  7 14:19:12 2005
From: rev at armbase.com (rev at armbase.com)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 19:19:12 +0100
Subject: change font size
In-Reply-To: <7464C9EF-E99D-4834-B58C-660E0ECD8572@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <1120758978.42cd6cc2ebbf1@webmail.armbase.com>
	<7464C9EF-E99D-4834-B58C-660E0ECD8572@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <1120760352.42cd7220ecc2a@webmail.armbase.com>

Quoting Eric Chatonet <eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com>:

> Hi "armbase" :-),

Hi Eric

Have you been over there? :-)

Thanks for the idea. I think I'll make a preferences pane for label size, font
and textsize now. Then an insert button for the user.

Certainly your tip will be usefull.

Cheers
Bob; Sunny Scotland
>
> Probably the text size of your field is already set.
> So you could try this:
>
> set the textsize of char 1 to -1 of field LabelName of stack tFileName \
> to field LabelNewTextsize of stack "Armbase"
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Le 7 juil. 05 ? 19:56, rev at armbase.com a ?crit :
>
> > Hi All
> > I have a sript that inserts the name of a label on one stack, to
> > that of the
> > contents of a field on another stack. This works OK.
> >
> > I would like to change the font size (just like rev does in the
> > text size bit of
> > the inspector. I have a textfield (LabelNewTextsize) that the user
> > can type in a
> > value, I tried 24, and hoped that he text size would change to
> > 24pt. But no
> > luck.
> >
> > Any Ideas
> > Regards
> > Bob
> >
> > The script is below
> >
> > on mouseUp
> >   global tFileName
> >   set the text of field LabelName of stack tFileName to field
> > LabelNewName of
> > stack "Armbase"
> >   set the name of field LabelName of stack tFileName to field
> > LabelNewName of
> > stack "Armbase"
> >   set the textsize of field LabelName of stack tFileName to field
> > LabelNewTextsize of stack "Armbase"
> >   --the above is OK and copies the label and changes its name to
> > the contents of
> > a field  but the resize doesn't work
> > end mouseUp
>
> Best Regards from Paris,
>
> Eric Chatonet.
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From howard.bornstein at gmail.com  Thu Jul  7 14:29:53 2005
From: howard.bornstein at gmail.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:29:53 -0400
Subject: linecolor
In-Reply-To: <200507071712.j67HCrId020167@ms-smtp-02.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
References: <200507071712.j67HCrId020167@ms-smtp-02.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3f07cc260507071129518e9c1c@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/7/05, Muaadh Salih <Ms1 at soas.ac.uk> wrote:
> How can one write a line script to set line color?
> We can set the linesize to a number but it seems
> we don't have such a property for line color
> any help ?
> 

If you're talking about setting the color of a text line, you can
easily do this by:

set the color of line 2 of fld "yourField" to "green"

-- 
Regards,

Howard Bornstein
-----------------------
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From rjb at robelko.com  Thu Jul  7 14:48:04 2005
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 20:48:04 +0200
Subject: Programming multi line selections
In-Reply-To: <8F7C6566-78E6-4A00-889E-55BE89C113B2@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <1306042068.20050706215357@liv.ac.uk>
	<8F7C6566-78E6-4A00-889E-55BE89C113B2@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <a06110404bef328b3601d@[192.168.1.101]>

>>Also, how do I deselect all lines before I start (select empty doesn;t
>>seem to achieve this).
>>
>Hi Rob,
>
>When you select a line in a repeat loop, only the last found line 
>will appear selected :-)
>Try to parse the lines by number and set the hilitedLines at the end:
>
>   put 0 into LineNo
>   repeat for each line peptide in card field "audit"
>   add 1 to LineNo
>   if char -1 of peptide = "K" then put LineNo & comma after tHilitedLines
>  end repeat
>  delete char -1 of tHilitedLines
>  set the hilitedLines of field "audit" to tHilitedLines
>

The script from Eric will automatically unselect previous selection 
but in case you want to clear all yourself

   set the hilitedLines of fld "audit" to empty

Robert


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Jul  7 15:04:48 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 14:04:48 -0500
Subject: Setting fonts
In-Reply-To: <ACE1D77D-269F-4762-AD70-8AAED5259DC6@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <BEF2E700.4C3E%kray@sonsothunder.com>


>> I have successfully used a frontScript that would trap preOpenCard
>> and then
>> repeat through all of the fields and set their text attributes to a
>> known
>> common value, but also checking a custom property of the fields to
>> see if
>> special handling should occur for a particular field. It works
>> really fast,
>> and isn't too many lines of code.
>> 
> 
> Cool. But (1) what about "special handling" that affects not a whole
> field but some chunks within the field? And (2) doesn't this approach
> take an awful lot of (that is, potentially a noticeable amount of) time?

Well, (1) if you needed to do that, you'd have to store the chunk you wanted
to affect and how you wanted to affect it, like a custom property with:

  1,5,bold
  6,20,italic

which would make the first 5 chars bold and the next 15 chars italic (I
know, a bad example, but you know what I mean).

(2) No, it doesn't (surprisingly). I have screens with a hundred+ objects on
it and executing even something that repeats through the fields and sets
their text attributes is very fast. Rev is well-suited to do this kind of
stuff, it seems.







From ridge11103 at btinternet.com  Thu Jul  7 15:27:04 2005
From: ridge11103 at btinternet.com (John Ridge)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 20:27:04 +0100
Subject: [ANN][EN][FR] Encoded Text Picker enhanced
In-Reply-To: <AC2BF01C-7864-4046-8C81-00B0DFAA522B@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <BEF34097.4A11%ridge11103@btinternet.com>

on 7/7/05 3:08 pm,  Eric Chatonet wrote :


More seriously, could you test further and let me know?
Thank you.

*****************************

Must be finger trouble. I did test it several times, but obviously not
enough.Test, test, then test again...

Sorry!

Best wishes
John 


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Jul  7 15:57:28 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 21:57:28 +0200
Subject: change font size
In-Reply-To: <1120760352.42cd7220ecc2a@webmail.armbase.com>
References: <1120758978.42cd6cc2ebbf1@webmail.armbase.com>
	<7464C9EF-E99D-4834-B58C-660E0ECD8572@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<1120760352.42cd7220ecc2a@webmail.armbase.com>
Message-ID: <2CAFCE65-D0AD-4DCA-883B-4BB29B5AD4C0@sosmartsoftware.com>

Yes, I was just looking over your shoulder :-)
Did not you see me?

Le 7 juil. 05 ? 20:19, rev at armbase.com a ?crit :

> Hi Eric
>
> Have you been over there? :-)
>
> Thanks for the idea. I think I'll make a preferences pane for label  
> size, font
> and textsize now. Then an insert button for the user.
>
> Certainly your tip will be useful.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Thu Jul  7 16:06:19 2005
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 13:06:19 -0700
Subject: mark cards by finding -- a problem
Message-ID: <p06200700bef32ca83d3b@[10.0.1.2]>

Hi, my name is Tim. I am a hair-ripper. I haven't ripped for, uh, 
three minutes.

I'm stuck on this one. It's probably an obvious mistake but I've 
checked, triple checked, etc.

find patientName in field "patient name" works fine. It finds the one 
record I expect it to find

if I comment out that line and replace it with --

mark cards by finding patientName in bg field "patient name"

-- no cards get marked.

Oops. I just made it work. Feel free to jump to end of message.

The in between part of the message might be a dull cautionary tale for newbies.

It's possible this is a bug. If it's already well-known, or fixed in 
2.6, well, I feel stupid. I suppose there's an easy way to look up 
well-known bugs in various versions. Anybody want to tell me how?

I got as far as http://support.runrev.com/bugzilla/#searching and 
then "1. Click the "query existing bug reports and enhancement 
requests" link." Where the heck is the link?



FWIW, here's the middle part:  *****************************

I've checked the syntax. It looks okay. variable patientName contains 
what it is supposed to contain. It has to, or the plain "find" 
command wouldn't have worked.

I've copied and pasted the variable name and the field name from the 
line that works to the line that doesn't work, just to make sure 
there were no misspellings or anything. No help.

I tried adding

go to card 1 of bg "record", so the script wouldn't try examining 
field "patient name" on card where it didn't exist. No help.

On a lark, I tried

mark cards where patientName = value(bg field "patient name")

On another lark, I tried mark cards by finding value(patientName) in 
bg field "patient name"

On a third lark I tried

mark cards by finding "Jones, Bob" in bg field "patient name"

None of the larks helped.

I went back and tried

find patientName in field "patient name" again.

It works fine, just like before.


************************ End of middle part

Here's how I got it to work:

mark cards by finding string patientName in bg field "patient name"

  -- does work!

This seems like a good example of the woeful state of the documentation.

The documentation doesn't say that I can write "by finding string 
patientName". It doesn't say that it's a good idea to write the "mark 
cards by finding" command that way.

I looked at the documentation again. It seems like "find normal" 
would have worked anyway. In fact, "find normal" does work for these 
fields and variables. Further investigation shows that "find string" 
and "find whole" also work.

variable patientname and bg field "patient name" are exact matches in 
this case.

Hmmm... I tried --

mark cards by finding whole patientName in bg field "patient name"

-- This doesn't work. It should, as far as I can tell.

I dunno, maybe it's a bug. But every time I think I've found a bug, 
it turns out I'm doing something wrong.

Comments welcome


Thank you for your kind concern.


Tim




From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Jul  7 16:16:49 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 22:16:49 +0200
Subject: mark cards by finding -- a problem
In-Reply-To: <p06200700bef32ca83d3b@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <p06200700bef32ca83d3b@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <C374E725-2E08-4067-B27E-1BA45A6EECBF@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Timothy,

Obviously you are coming from HyperCard...
With Rev there are no "bg" fields (neither card fields) but only fields.
Check the topics section in the docs named "Groups and Backgrounds"
It might help you to understand how Rev handles "bgs"... which do not  
exist with Rev ;-)
That's the reason why your script does not work.

Le 7 juil. 05 ? 22:06, Timothy Miller a ?crit :

> Hi, my name is Tim. I am a hair-ripper. I haven't ripped for, uh,  
> three minutes.
>
> I'm stuck on this one. It's probably an obvious mistake but I've  
> checked, triple checked, etc.
>
> find patientName in field "patient name" works fine. It finds the  
> one record I expect it to find
>
> if I comment out that line and replace it with --
>
> mark cards by finding patientName in bg field "patient name"
>
> -- no cards get marked.
>
> Oops. I just made it work. Feel free to jump to end of message.
>
> The in between part of the message might be a dull cautionary tale  
> for newbies.
>
> It's possible this is a bug. If it's already well-known, or fixed  
> in 2.6, well, I feel stupid. I suppose there's an easy way to look  
> up well-known bugs in various versions. Anybody want to tell me how?
>
> I got as far as http://support.runrev.com/bugzilla/#searching and  
> then "1. Click the "query existing bug reports and enhancement  
> requests" link." Where the heck is the link?
>
>
>
> FWIW, here's the middle part:  *****************************
>
> I've checked the syntax. It looks okay. variable patientName  
> contains what it is supposed to contain. It has to, or the plain  
> "find" command wouldn't have worked.
>
> I've copied and pasted the variable name and the field name from  
> the line that works to the line that doesn't work, just to make  
> sure there were no misspellings or anything. No help.
>
> I tried adding
>
> go to card 1 of bg "record", so the script wouldn't try examining  
> field "patient name" on card where it didn't exist. No help.
>
> On a lark, I tried
>
> mark cards where patientName = value(bg field "patient name")
>
> On another lark, I tried mark cards by finding value(patientName)  
> in bg field "patient name"
>
> On a third lark I tried
>
> mark cards by finding "Jones, Bob" in bg field "patient name"
>
> None of the larks helped.
>
> I went back and tried
>
> find patientName in field "patient name" again.
>
> It works fine, just like before.
>
>
> ************************ End of middle part
>
> Here's how I got it to work:
>
> mark cards by finding string patientName in bg field "patient name"
>
>  -- does work!
>
> This seems like a good example of the woeful state of the  
> documentation.
>
> The documentation doesn't say that I can write "by finding string  
> patientName". It doesn't say that it's a good idea to write the  
> "mark cards by finding" command that way.
>
> I looked at the documentation again. It seems like "find normal"  
> would have worked anyway. In fact, "find normal" does work for  
> these fields and variables. Further investigation shows that "find  
> string" and "find whole" also work.
>
> variable patientname and bg field "patient name" are exact matches  
> in this case.
>
> Hmmm... I tried --
>
> mark cards by finding whole patientName in bg field "patient name"
>
> -- This doesn't work. It should, as far as I can tell.
>
> I dunno, maybe it's a bug. But every time I think I've found a bug,  
> it turns out I'm doing something wrong.
>
> Comments welcome
>
>
> Thank you for your kind concern.
>
>
> Tim

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From katir at hindu.org  Thu Jul  7 16:21:23 2005
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:21:23 -1000
Subject: PDFs in QT Player -- Hot Links Challenge
In-Reply-To: <42CC2C4E.6010503@chipp.com>
References: <OF57F22C59.D466B047-ON85257036.005E2EA8@sealedair.com>
	<42CC2C4E.6010503@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <97982758-2958-4311-B91D-DAB4398859C4@hindu.org>

Chipp,

1) one would assume this requires the user has the acrobat plug-in  
for  their browsers installed, right?
2) if the user has set a different browser as their default (e.g. I  
use FireFox on my mac... not Safari, though Safari is there...) will  
altBrowser still call the rendering engine?


Question? Are the browser plug-ins that allow display of PDFs inside  
the browsers, written by Adobe? i.e. does the code for those plug ins  
comprise a proprietary "object".... what am I driving at? Well, why  
doesn't someone write a plug-in for Revolution to view PDF's  
directory without going through an embedded browser?

(Hinduism Today would pay money for that...though I suspect there may  
be license issues with Adobe...)

Re:

> I'm confused: if all you want to do is see a PDF, you can use  
> Acrobat...

Simple: Acrobat is not an environment for a true "enterprise" desktop  
client application where:

1) the PDF file is, while being the core content, only a single  
element in a larger scenario
2) you want to download files in the background, cache and save to  
hard drive.
3) deal with user registration for.
4) serve other media in separate windows.
5) offer interface of email

i.e. do a host of other kinds of operations that only Rev can do...

Sivakatirswami




On Jul 06, 2005, at 9:09 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> The new altBrowser for Tiger will open up PDF's within an  
> altBrowser window. (Works on PC's too).
>
> -Chipp
>
> Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote:
>
>
>>> I'm confused: if all you want to do is see a PDF, you can use  
>>> Acrobat...
>>>
>
>
>> Yes, you could if that is your only objective.
>> But -- not -- if you intend to display it -- inside -- a  
>> revolution application window on the Windows platform.
>>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jul  7 16:31:43 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 15:31:43 -0500
Subject: mark cards by finding -- a problem
In-Reply-To: <C374E725-2E08-4067-B27E-1BA45A6EECBF@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <p06200700bef32ca83d3b@[10.0.1.2]>
	<C374E725-2E08-4067-B27E-1BA45A6EECBF@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <42CD912F.1070902@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/7/05 3:16 PM, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi Timothy,
> 
> Obviously you are coming from HyperCard...
> With Rev there are no "bg" fields (neither card fields) but only fields.
> Check the topics section in the docs named "Groups and Backgrounds"
> It might help you to understand how Rev handles "bgs"... which do not  
> exist with Rev ;-)

Sometimes that is true, but Tim's stacks are HyperCard ports and they 
have the HCAddressing set to true. That means it acts like HC and there 
are background fields and card fields, as well as bg buttons and card 
buttons. All HC imports act this way unless you change it.

One reason the "find" command may not be working is if the script is 
refering to a bg group that isn't placed on the current card.

Tim: the best thing to do is check "the result" after using the find 
command and see what it says. The cause of the error should be in there. 
I've used "mark cards by finding" a lot without any problem, so there is 
something else going on.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Thu Jul  7 16:56:42 2005
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 13:56:42 -0700
Subject: mark cards by finding -- a problem
In-Reply-To: <C374E725-2E08-4067-B27E-1BA45A6EECBF@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <p06200700bef32ca83d3b@[10.0.1.2]>
	<C374E725-2E08-4067-B27E-1BA45A6EECBF@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <p06200702bef345de2619@[10.0.1.2]>

>Hi Timothy,
>
>Obviously you are coming from HyperCard...
>With Rev there are no "bg" fields (neither card fields) but only fields.
>Check the topics section in the docs named "Groups and Backgrounds"
>It might help you to understand how Rev handles "bgs"... which do 
>not exist with Rev ;-)
>That's the reason why your script does not work.
>

Hi Eric,

Actually, I tried it with and without "bg". It failed in both cases.

Other scripts work with and without "bg" before "field", as long as 
the field belongs to a group.

find patientname in field "patient name"

and

find patientName in bg field "patient name"

both work equally well.

Just to make sure, I just tested that.

mark cards by finding string tempPtName in bg field "patient name" also works.

I admit it might be good practice to leave the "bg" out. I suppose 
Rev ignores it.

Sorry to be contrary :-)


Any other thoughts?


Cheers,


Tim

From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Jul  7 17:02:06 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 23:02:06 +0200
Subject: mark cards by finding -- a problem
In-Reply-To: <42CD912F.1070902@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <p06200700bef32ca83d3b@[10.0.1.2]>
	<C374E725-2E08-4067-B27E-1BA45A6EECBF@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<42CD912F.1070902@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <0738F342-2DC3-44D7-929A-D2E39B390962@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Jacque,

I did not think of that :-(
As for me, I never ported any stack from HC to Rev (and I wrote  
hundreds): I used too many externals.
I take the opportunity to tell to all "newcomers" how they would  
benefit from all powerful Rev features by trying to re-write their  
stacks with Rev instead of porting them :-)

Le 7 juil. 05 ? 22:31, J. Landman Gay a ?crit :

> On 7/7/05 3:16 PM, Eric Chatonet wrote:
>
>
>> Hi Timothy,
>> Obviously you are coming from HyperCard...
>> With Rev there are no "bg" fields (neither card fields) but only  
>> fields.
>> Check the topics section in the docs named "Groups and Backgrounds"
>> It might help you to understand how Rev handles "bgs"... which do  
>> not  exist with Rev ;-)
>>
>
> Sometimes that is true, but Tim's stacks are HyperCard ports and  
> they have the HCAddressing set to true. That means it acts like HC  
> and there are background fields and card fields, as well as bg  
> buttons and card buttons. All HC imports act this way unless you  
> change it.
>
> One reason the "find" command may not be working is if the script  
> is refering to a bg group that isn't placed on the current card.
>
> Tim: the best thing to do is check "the result" after using the  
> find command and see what it says. The cause of the error should be  
> in there. I've used "mark cards by finding" a lot without any  
> problem, so there is something else going on.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay

Best Regards from Paris,

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From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Thu Jul  7 17:03:04 2005
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:03:04 -0700
Subject: mark cards by finding -- a problem
In-Reply-To: <42CD912F.1070902@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <p06200700bef32ca83d3b@[10.0.1.2]>
	<C374E725-2E08-4067-B27E-1BA45A6EECBF@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<42CD912F.1070902@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <p06200703bef347be967b@[10.0.1.2]>

>On 7/7/05 3:16 PM, Eric Chatonet wrote:
>
>>Hi Timothy,
>>
>>Obviously you are coming from HyperCard...
>>With Rev there are no "bg" fields (neither card fields) but only fields.
>>Check the topics section in the docs named "Groups and Backgrounds"
>>It might help you to understand how Rev handles "bgs"... which do 
>>not  exist with Rev ;-)
>
>Sometimes that is true, but Tim's stacks are HyperCard ports and 
>they have the HCAddressing set to true. That means it acts like HC 
>and there are background fields and card fields, as well as bg 
>buttons and card buttons. All HC imports act this way unless you 
>change it.


Hi Jacque,

Wow! Now I know about turning on hyperCard addressing! Ya learn 
something new every day. You're right of course. hyperCard addressing 
is turned on.

>
>One reason the "find" command may not be working is if the script is 
>refering to a bg group that isn't placed on the current card.


I thought of that. I tried adding an extra line --

go to card 1 of bg "<whatever>"

-- so I could be sure that the script would find field "patient 
information" on the first try. That didn't help either.


>
>Tim: the best thing to do is check "the result" after using the find 
>command and see what it says.


Good thought. I did think of that, too. I'm getting better at this <g>.

The result was empty in every case.

It's starting to sound more like a bug. Or maybe my copy of Rev is 
corrupted. I don't know how often that happens.

Best regards,



Tim

>The cause of the error should be in there. I've used "mark cards by 
>finding" a lot without any problem, so there is something else going 
>on.
>
>--
>Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From M.Lange at ed.ac.uk  Thu Jul  7 17:52:12 2005
From: M.Lange at ed.ac.uk (Marielle Lange)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 22:52:12 +0100
Subject: PDFs in QT Player -- Hot Links Challenge
Message-ID: <1120773132.42cda40c6c97b@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>

>Question? Are the browser plug-ins that allow display of PDFs inside
>the browsers, written by Adobe? i.e. does the code for those plug ins
>comprise a proprietary "object".... what am I driving at? Well, why
>doesn't someone write a plug-in for Revolution to view PDF's
>directory without going through an embedded browser?

>(Hinduism Today would pay money for that...though I suspect there may
>be license issues with Adobe...)

Have a look at this: http://www.schubert-it.com/pluginpdf/
For the mac... works perfectly (worked before safari embedded pdf).

To my knowledge, not written by adobe (Kagi link).

Best,
Marielle


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jul  7 17:54:42 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 16:54:42 -0500
Subject: mark cards by finding -- a problem
In-Reply-To: <p06200703bef347be967b@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <p06200700bef32ca83d3b@[10.0.1.2]>
	<C374E725-2E08-4067-B27E-1BA45A6EECBF@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<42CD912F.1070902@hyperactivesw.com>
	<p06200703bef347be967b@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <42CDA4A2.5040806@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/7/05 4:03 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:

 > The result was empty in every case.

Hm. So it is. I guess "mark" doesn't fill the result like "find" does.

 >
 > It's starting to sound more like a bug. Or maybe my copy of Rev is
 > corrupted. I don't know how often that happens.

Virtually never. I don't think it is a bug either, as it works fine here 
(with or without the "bg" designation.) It has to be something else. If 
you can, try it on some other stack with no other scripts if you have 
such a beast around, like an address book stack or something.

Or do it from the message box like this:

lock messages;mark cds by finding "name literal" in fld "patientname"

That will avoid interaction with any existing scripts, so see if that works.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From M.Lange at ed.ac.uk  Thu Jul  7 18:17:06 2005
From: M.Lange at ed.ac.uk (Marielle Lange)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 23:17:06 +0100
Subject: Scrolling list fields
Message-ID: <1120774626.42cda9e2d0a26@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>

>I am a Rev newbie. Two weeks ago I posted a message about creating an
application
>that would calculate distance between schools using two scrolling list fields.
>The first scrolling list field is from a school and the second  scrolling list
>field is to a school. It was suggested that I use custom properties. It was
>also suggested that the schools be numbered for each scrolling list field. For
>example School A would be 1, School B would be 2, etc. I have 80 schools and
>the distances for each of the schools to other schools. My question is how do I
>get the schools listed in numerical order or give them numbers in a scrolling
>list field?

Dear Charles,

If you need sorting, then you can opt for a scrolling list with
Why do you opt for scrolling fields rather than a neat table presentation, as
found on maps:
   1 2 3 4 5 6
1  x y z
2
3
4

Granted, 80 entries is too long for such a representation. [note however that
you could consider having your table data inside a scrolling field with hbar
and vbar and the title bars outside of this scrolling field (eventually with ,
as an equivalent of the "freeze field" in excel].

For a solution based on two vertical scrolling fields, storing your data like
this, on a card not shown to the user makes the values very easy to retrieve.
You create the table, you create a small script to read the first line of the
table and use it to populate your scrolling field for from and your scrolling
field for to. At the same time, you use it to populate an array converting tab
position into a numerical identifier, with numID["school"], numID["school]

I really recommend creating the numID on the fly and using the table storage,
simply because it minimizes the possibility for errors if you happen to need to
add an extra school or remove one from the list (you can easily cut and paste
your distance data from an excel table, and in excel add a column of data or
remove one).

After that, you call to the data with

set itemDelimiter to tab
put the selectedline of field "fromSchool" into tFrom
put the selectedline of field "toSchool" into tTo
put item (numID[tFrom]) of line (numID[tTo]) into tDistance.

And it's done.

Hope this helps,
Marielle




From M.Lange at ed.ac.uk  Thu Jul  7 18:30:19 2005
From: M.Lange at ed.ac.uk (Marielle Lange)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 23:30:19 +0100
Subject: Setting fonts
Message-ID: <1120775419.42cdacfb17159@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>

>Strangely, though, in the recent thread about changing text size in a
>field, preserving relative sizes of styled text, I came across the same
>thing, where changing the textSize of a field affected only the
>unstyled text before a block of styled text, but not the unstyled text
>after....

>However, the problem went away, without me doing anything about it, and
>from the test just now, seems to be staying away. This must be a bug,
>so worth bugzilla-ing, but if it's intermittent, it'll be a bitch to
>solve...

Feel free to check out the presentation styler palette:

go stack url
"http://revolution.lexicall.org/stacks/education/tools_plugins/presentationstyler.rev"

I played with text formatting the way you suggest... I vaguely remember I came
across the same problem and I believe I came up with a satisfactory "work
around".

Marielle

http://revolution.lexicall.org/wiki/
Wiki of the revolution in education community


From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Thu Jul  7 18:34:58 2005
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 15:34:58 -0700
Subject: mark cards by finding -- a problem
In-Reply-To: <42CDA4A2.5040806@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <p06200700bef32ca83d3b@[10.0.1.2]>
	<C374E725-2E08-4067-B27E-1BA45A6EECBF@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<42CD912F.1070902@hyperactivesw.com>	<p06200703bef347be967b@[10.0.1.2]>
	<42CDA4A2.5040806@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <p06200700bef35aad06a2@[10.0.1.2]>

Jacque replies:

>
>  > It's starting to sound more like a bug. Or maybe my copy of Rev is
>>  corrupted. I don't know how often that happens.
>
>Virtually never. I don't think it is a bug either, as it works fine 
>here (with or without the "bg" designation.) It has to be something 
>else. If you can, try it on some other stack with no other scripts 
>if you have such a beast around, like an address book stack or 
>something.
>
>Or do it from the message box like this:
>
>lock messages;mark cds by finding "name literal" in fld "patientname"
>
>That will avoid interaction with any existing scripts, so see if that works.


Excellent idea, Jacque. You do know your business!

Different stack:

>Unmark all cards
>lock messages
>mark cards by finding "Jones, Bob" in bg field  "daily7"
>answer the number of marked cards

Three marked cards.

Same stack:

>put "Jones, Bob" into theVar
>unmark all cards
>lock messages
>mark cards by finding theVar in bg field  "daily7"
>answer the number of marked cards

Three marked cards, again.

I'm pretty sure three is the correct number of hits.

I don't know what to think. I've described the laborious 
troubleshooting I did on the other script. I'm out of ideas.

In the other script, the problem script, --

mark cards by finding string patientName in field "patient name"

-- works just fine. "Find string" is a better way to do it anyway, 
because it excludes some extraneous characters that might appear in 
that field. I'm inclined to leave well enough alone, unless someone 
has some good troubleshooting ideas. If I'm making a mistake, I'd 
like to learn from it. It might not happen this time.

It's hard to imagine why

find <whatever> in <some container>

would work, but --

mark cards by finding <theSameThing> in <theSameContainer>

-- wouldn't work.

It's even harder to imagine why the "mark cards by finding..." 
command would work right in one script, or stack, but not another.

It seems possible it's just one of those obscure quirks hidden in the 
dark recesses of every complex application.

Best regards,


Tim

From M.Lange at ed.ac.uk  Thu Jul  7 18:45:35 2005
From: M.Lange at ed.ac.uk (Marielle Lange)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 23:45:35 +0100
Subject: Setting fonts
Message-ID: <1120776335.42cdb08f62c37@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>

      Keith Martin   Technical Editor, MacUser magazine

Dear Keith,

Any chance to see a 2-3 pages tutorial on how to use revolution to create
applications with revolution in your excellent magazine? I have come across
rave reviews on revolution in mac journals, but not yet across cool tutorials.

Marielle


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jul  7 18:46:44 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 17:46:44 -0500
Subject: mark cards by finding -- a problem
In-Reply-To: <p06200700bef35aad06a2@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <p06200700bef32ca83d3b@[10.0.1.2]>
	<C374E725-2E08-4067-B27E-1BA45A6EECBF@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<42CD912F.1070902@hyperactivesw.com>	<p06200703bef347be967b@[10.0.1.2]>
	<42CDA4A2.5040806@hyperactivesw.com>
	<p06200700bef35aad06a2@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <42CDB0D4.9020500@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/7/05 5:34 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:

 > It's hard to imagine why
 >
 > find <whatever> in <some container>
 >
 > would work, but --
 >
 > mark cards by finding <theSameThing> in <theSameContainer>
 >
 > -- wouldn't work.
 >
 > It's even harder to imagine why the "mark cards by finding..." command
 > would work right in one script, or stack, but not another.

It could be some text anomaly. I'd suspect an invisible leading 
character in front of the patient name in the field or something like 
that. "Find" only finds the beginnings of words, "find string" finds the 
string anywhere. So if "find string" works, then there must be a 
non-matching character at the front of one of the words.

I know this doesn't make sense if "find" works okay without marking, but 
it is something to check anyway.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Thu Jul  7 19:04:22 2005
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:04:22 -0700
Subject: mark cards by finding -- a problem
In-Reply-To: <42CDB0D4.9020500@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <p06200700bef32ca83d3b@[10.0.1.2]>
	<C374E725-2E08-4067-B27E-1BA45A6EECBF@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<42CD912F.1070902@hyperactivesw.com>	<p06200703bef347be967b@[10.0.1.2]>
	<42CDA4A2.5040806@hyperactivesw.com>	<p06200700bef35aad06a2@[10.0.1.2]>
	<42CDB0D4.9020500@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <p06200702bef361e6b7da@[10.0.1.2]>

Jacque replies:

>On 7/7/05 5:34 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:
>
>>  It's hard to imagine why
>>
>>  find <whatever> in <some container>
>>
>>  would work, but --
>>
>>  mark cards by finding <theSameThing> in <theSameContainer>
>>
>>  -- wouldn't work.
>>
>>  It's even harder to imagine why the "mark cards by finding..." command
>>  would work right in one script, or stack, but not another.
>
>It could be some text anomaly. I'd suspect an invisible leading 
>character in front of the patient name in the field or something 
>like that. "Find" only finds the beginnings of words, "find string" 
>finds the string anywhere. So if "find string" works, then there 
>must be a non-matching character at the front of one of the words.
>
>I know this doesn't make sense if "find" works okay without marking, 
>but it is something to check anyway.
>

That's a good thought. I did check for leading and trailing spaces, 
and extra internal spaces. That wasn't the problem. Invisible 
characters might have been an issue.

However, I just checked out the possibility of invisible characters. 
Variable patientName originates in another field, in another stack. I 
went back to the original field, used the msg box to put empty into 
it, and then carefully retyped the name that becomes variable 
patientName.

No change. "mark cards by finding..." still doesn't work. "mark cards 
by finding string..." still does.

I just checked out the possibility that somehow the script inserted 
an invisible character into the variable. The number of characters in 
the variable patientName is as it should be.

Would some invisible characters not get counted in --

answer the number of chars in patientName   ?


Keep on smiling,



Tim


From M.Lange at ed.ac.uk  Thu Jul  7 19:19:52 2005
From: M.Lange at ed.ac.uk (Marielle Lange)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 00:19:52 +0100
Subject: Making Revolution faster using dimensioned arrays
Message-ID: <1120778392.42cdb89820b15@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>

Hi Dennis,

Sorry, I am not in favour of this if this means that I would loose the
possibility to index arrays with text or to have to specify the array size in
advance.

Personally, I need to index with text parts that I don't know in advance what
the size of the array will be. With this type of constraint, the solution you
suggest in fact considerably slows down the programs I write. My experience
with a program doing exactly the same thing: Visual Basic 5 hours (which does
*exactly* what you request, Awk 10 min which does *exactly* what you complain
about.

Gawk does it very fast without the need for any of these two options.
Look at this link, for evidence:  http://www.cs.wustl.edu/~loui/sigplan
"Two pearls in GAWK:  its regular expressions and its associative arrays."

By chance, could SQLlite help to speed up your array processing? (after all, a
database with two columns of data is just another representation for an array
and you can apply a formula to transform the values of one column)

Marielle


To all the speed freaks,

I know that I have pushed for faster array processing and have even
proposed an "Array sub-processor" as a possible solution.  However,
after giving this much thought, I don't believe that a separate array
sub-processor is needed to solve the problem of speed.  Transcript
could provide the speed needed for processing arrays in a simpler way.

If Transcript had an array declaration command that allowed the user
to fix the dimensions and data size/type for an array and limited the
"keys" to integer indexes, then high speed array processing could be
built-in.


From jbondy at sover.net  Thu Jul  7 19:26:46 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 19:26:46 -0400
Subject: Making Revolution faster using dimensioned arrays
In-Reply-To: <1120778392.42cdb89820b15@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
References: <1120778392.42cdb89820b15@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <42CDBA36.9010004@sover.net>

Marielle:

I did not interpret Dennis' suggestion as meaning that ALL arrays would 
henceforth ONLY have integer indices; rather, I think he was suggesting 
that a NEW type of array be created which had this attribute.  All of 
the old code would still work.

:)

Jon


Marielle Lange wrote:

>Hi Dennis,
>
>Sorry, I am not in favour of this if this means that I would loose the
>possibility to index arrays with text or to have to specify the array size in
>advance.
>
>Personally, I need to index with text parts that I don't know in advance what
>the size of the array will be. With this type of constraint, the solution you
>suggest in fact considerably slows down the programs I write. My experience
>with a program doing exactly the same thing: Visual Basic 5 hours (which does
>*exactly* what you request, Awk 10 min which does *exactly* what you complain
>about.
>
>Gawk does it very fast without the need for any of these two options.
>Look at this link, for evidence:  http://www.cs.wustl.edu/~loui/sigplan
>"Two pearls in GAWK:  its regular expressions and its associative arrays."
>
>By chance, could SQLlite help to speed up your array processing? (after all, a
>database with two columns of data is just another representation for an array
>and you can apply a formula to transform the values of one column)
>
>Marielle
>
>
>To all the speed freaks,
>
>I know that I have pushed for faster array processing and have even
>proposed an "Array sub-processor" as a possible solution.  However,
>after giving this much thought, I don't believe that a separate array
>sub-processor is needed to solve the problem of speed.  Transcript
>could provide the speed needed for processing arrays in a simpler way.
>
>If Transcript had an array declaration command that allowed the user
>to fix the dimensions and data size/type for an array and limited the
>"keys" to integer indexes, then high speed array processing could be
>built-in.
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From revdan at danshafer.com  Thu Jul  7 19:49:00 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:49:00 -0700
Subject: Making Revolution faster using dimensioned arrays
In-Reply-To: <42CDBA36.9010004@sover.net>
References: <1120778392.42cdb89820b15@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
	<42CDBA36.9010004@sover.net>
Message-ID: <06CD5B19-5680-49A6-B523-4DBEF2B623A9@danshafer.com>

And if we had an array OBJECT, we could subclass it to get what we  
really want.

Ahem.

Dan
On Jul 7, 2005, at 4:26 PM, Jon wrote:

> Marielle:
>
> I did not interpret Dennis' suggestion as meaning that ALL arrays  
> would henceforth ONLY have integer indices; rather, I think he was  
> suggesting that a NEW type of array be created which had this  
> attribute.  All of the old code would still work.
>
> :)
>
> Jon
>
>
> Marielle Lange wrote:
>
>
>> Hi Dennis,
>>
>> Sorry, I am not in favour of this if this means that I would loose  
>> the
>> possibility to index arrays with text or to have to specify the  
>> array size in
>> advance.
>>
>> Personally, I need to index with text parts that I don't know in  
>> advance what
>> the size of the array will be. With this type of constraint, the  
>> solution you
>> suggest in fact considerably slows down the programs I write. My  
>> experience
>> with a program doing exactly the same thing: Visual Basic 5 hours  
>> (which does
>> *exactly* what you request, Awk 10 min which does *exactly* what  
>> you complain
>> about.
>>
>> Gawk does it very fast without the need for any of these two options.
>> Look at this link, for evidence:  http://www.cs.wustl.edu/~loui/ 
>> sigplan
>> "Two pearls in GAWK:  its regular expressions and its associative  
>> arrays."
>>
>> By chance, could SQLlite help to speed up your array processing?  
>> (after all, a
>> database with two columns of data is just another representation  
>> for an array
>> and you can apply a formula to transform the values of one column)
>>
>> Marielle
>>
>>
>> To all the speed freaks,
>>
>> I know that I have pushed for faster array processing and have even
>> proposed an "Array sub-processor" as a possible solution.  However,
>> after giving this much thought, I don't believe that a separate array
>> sub-processor is needed to solve the problem of speed.  Transcript
>> could provide the speed needed for processing arrays in a simpler  
>> way.
>>
>> If Transcript had an array declaration command that allowed the user
>> to fix the dimensions and data size/type for an array and limited the
>> "keys" to integer indexes, then high speed array processing could be
>> built-in.
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From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Thu Jul  7 19:53:50 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 09:53:50 +1000
Subject: Treeview control needed
In-Reply-To: <2B6FB57D-2557-42C1-947A-99ACC451C29E@califex.com>
References: <200507070150.07611.b.alleyne@btinternet.com>
	<2B6FB57D-2557-42C1-947A-99ACC451C29E@califex.com>
Message-ID: <CCBD1957-C1A2-494E-B4F0-2AE67F5C1020@genesearch.com.au>

> I have a reliable old tree field that's fairly efficient, and not  
> XML, that works from tabbed text. Email me off list if you're  
> interested.
>
Hi Tereza,

I'd love to have a look at your tree stack if possible.

Thanks,
Sarah

***************************
Sarah Reichelt
sarah at troz.net
http://www.troz.net/Rev/
***************************




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jul  7 19:57:43 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 16:57:43 -0700
Subject: Making Revolution faster using dimensioned arrays
In-Reply-To: <06CD5B19-5680-49A6-B523-4DBEF2B623A9@danshafer.com>
References: <1120778392.42cdb89820b15@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>	<42CDBA36.9010004@sover.net>
	<06CD5B19-5680-49A6-B523-4DBEF2B623A9@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <42CDC177.7010101@fourthworld.com>

Dan Shafer wrote:
> And if we had an array OBJECT, we could subclass it to get what we  
> really want.

What would such code look like?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From see3d at writeme.com  Thu Jul  7 20:41:47 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 20:41:47 -0400
Subject: Making Revolution faster using dimensioned arrays
In-Reply-To: <1120778392.42cdb89820b15@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
References: <1120778392.42cdb89820b15@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <D2ABAACD-7898-421C-A573-6A0E7B11A782@writeme.com>


On Jul 7, 2005, at 7:19 PM, Marielle Lange wrote:

> Hi Dennis,
>
> Sorry, I am not in favour of this if this means that I would loose the
> possibility to index arrays with text or to have to specify the  
> array size in
> advance.

Marielle,

I also use the current array capabilities and do not want to lose  
anything we have.  In fact I am in favor of expanding them further.   
What I propose is a different array organization that is optimized  
for execution speed and space efficiency at the cost of a more  
restricted organizational flexibility.  The restrictions would only  
occur if you wanted to make this tradeoff for a particular array.   
There are many problems that would benefit from this, but not all.   
Mathematical problems would benefit from the packed arrays I propose,  
while many indexing and database like problems benefit from the  
sparse arrays we now have.

Dennis


From see3d at writeme.com  Thu Jul  7 20:45:35 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 20:45:35 -0400
Subject: Making Revolution faster using dimensioned arrays
In-Reply-To: <06CD5B19-5680-49A6-B523-4DBEF2B623A9@danshafer.com>
References: <1120778392.42cdb89820b15@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
	<42CDBA36.9010004@sover.net>
	<06CD5B19-5680-49A6-B523-4DBEF2B623A9@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <55AEACDB-70C8-4FF9-A0C3-D3C6FCC548EA@writeme.com>

On Jul 7, 2005, at 7:49 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:

> And if we had an array OBJECT, we could subclass it to get what we  
> really want.

Dan,

This is an interesting concept.  Would an array object have a  
spreadsheet as its visual representation?

Dennis


From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Thu Jul  7 21:34:42 2005
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 18:34:42 -0700
Subject: mark cards by finding -- a problem
Message-ID: <p06200703bef387f0a257@[10.0.1.2]>

I previously wrote, in reply to Jacque:

At 6:31 PM -0700 7/7/05, Timothy Miller wrote:
>I just checked out the possibility that somehow the script inserted 
>an invisible character into the variable. The number of characters 
>in the variable patientName is as it should be.
>
>Would some invisible characters not get counted in --
>
>answer the number of chars in patientName   ?


I forgot to mention, I tried adding set lockmessages to true in the 
line before the problem "mark cards by finding..." line.

That didn't make the command behave properly either.

It's possible the thread will die here. I won't ask again, but if 
anyone else has any ideas, or troubleshooting suggestions, I'll keep 
an eye on this list.


Tim


From martyknapp at comcast.net  Thu Jul  7 21:41:24 2005
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 18:41:24 -0700
Subject: mark cards by finding -- a problem
In-Reply-To: <p06200703bef387f0a257@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <p06200703bef387f0a257@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <42CDD9C4.7000302@comcast.net>

Re: mark cards by finding

I came in late on this, so this may have already been suggested--

Have you checked the properties for the field(s) you're searching in to 
make sure that the "Find command ignores" option is deselected?


--
Marty Knapp
<http://www.BumperSnickerz.com>
<http://www.WestshoreCraftworks.com>


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jul  7 22:40:24 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 21:40:24 -0500
Subject: mark cards by finding -- a problem
In-Reply-To: <p06200703bef387f0a257@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <p06200703bef387f0a257@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <42CDE798.2080107@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/7/05 8:34 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:

>> I just checked out the possibility that somehow the script inserted an 
>> invisible character into the variable. The number of characters in the 
>> variable patientName is as it should be.

Hm. So the text is okay. You could try setting a breakpoint in the 
handler and walking through it in the debugger to make sure the command 
is actually executing. That's about all I can think of. (Although if 
you've already tried the command from the message box, you already know 
it executed.) If it works in other stacks but not in this one, then 
there has to be something different about this stack.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Jul  7 22:42:51 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 21:42:51 -0500
Subject: revDeleteFolder and Lessons Learned..
Message-ID: <42CDE82B.6060301@chipp.com>

Here's an interesting story:

Last night I was working on a 'reset prefs' handler which was to remove 
all the files in a folder.

It looked something like:

on resetPrefs
   put lMasterFolderPath & "/" & lProjectName into tFolderToDelete
   revDeleteFolder tFolderToDelete
end resetPrefs

lMasterFolderPath and lProjectNames are script locals.

I also have a handler 'checkLocals' which I should've put at the top, 
but I digress.

In anycase, after applying the script and running, of course the script 
locals are now nulls and the revDeleteFolder contained only a single 
"/", which apparently means: "Delete the entire route hard drive".

After running it and seeing the processor shoot to 100% and stay there, 
I guessed something was wrong. I tried to quit it, but it's a shell 
script and even the task manager wouldn't allow me to kill it.

By the time I was able to force shutdown my machine, most the entire 
Windows partition was wasted. Fortunately, my Linux partition was still 
good and I could access my Documents folder and grab most of the stuff 
that mattered, but of course WinXP was completely hosed.

My lesson learned is NEVER, NEVER, NEVER use revDeleteFolder. I rewrote 
the script to use 'the files' and delete each file individually.

Hope others can learn from my mistake!

best,

Chipp


From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Thu Jul  7 22:55:35 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 22:55:35 -0400
Subject: font solution
Message-ID: <3503ABB1-34E6-4B8F-A254-390D226B43D6@conncoll.edu>

David Epstein (who's having list access problems & wrote me  
separately) suggests the solution copied below, to the problem of  
getting text in a field into "owner" font and style after some lines  
have been put into another font.

It looks cool, and I'm working toward using it. Meanwhile, I've  
discovered the source of my problem. If you set the text style of  
some words in a field to link, bold, etc., and then look at the  
htmlText of the field, you see that after the end-of-link/bold  
marker, Rev is putting in a <font> specification (setting it to  
whatever the effective font is at the time the card is made. Get rid  
of that font tag, and the following text reverts to the _real_  
owner's font even when that changes.

Surely that's not the right behavior Rev should have, is it?

(Hope this makes sense -- written in too much haste.)

========= Epstein Solution ============================

on changeFieldTextProps f,mySize,myFont

   repeat with c = 1 to the number of cards

     put the htmlText of fld f of card c into hold[c]

   end repeat

   set the textSize of fld f to mySize

   set the textFont of fld f to myFont

   repeat with c = 1 to the number of cards

     set the htmlText of fld f of card c to hold[c]

   end repeat

end changeFieldTextProps

======================================


Charles Hartman
Professor of English, Poet in Residence
Connecticut College
charles.hartman at conncoll.edu
*the Scandroid* is at cherry.conncoll.edu/cohar/Programs







From jhj at jhj.com  Thu Jul  7 23:09:54 2005
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry J)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 20:09:54 -0700
Subject: revDeleteFolder and Lessons Learned..
In-Reply-To: <20050708023803.DB520824970@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050708023803.DB520824970@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1c531e92b1667ca267dd509166f1e333@jhj.com>

> Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 21:42:51 -0500
> From: Chipp Walters <chipp at chipp.com>

snippety...

> My lesson learned is NEVER, NEVER, NEVER use revDeleteFolder. I rewrote
> the script to use 'the files' and delete each file individually.
>
> Hope others can learn from my mistake!

ARRRGH!!

I have learned.

Thanks,
Jerry Jensen



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Jul  7 23:43:37 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 20:43:37 -0700
Subject: Treeview control needed
In-Reply-To: <CCBD1957-C1A2-494E-B4F0-2AE67F5C1020@genesearch.com.au>
References: <200507070150.07611.b.alleyne@btinternet.com>
	<2B6FB57D-2557-42C1-947A-99ACC451C29E@califex.com>
	<CCBD1957-C1A2-494E-B4F0-2AE67F5C1020@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <1931286547.20050707204337@ahsoftware.net>

Tereza-

Thursday, July 7, 2005, 4:53:50 PM, you wrote:

>> I have a reliable old tree field that's fairly efficient, and not  
>> XML, that works from tabbed text. Email me off list if you're  
>> interested.
>>
SR> Hi Tereza,

SR> I'd love to have a look at your tree stack if possible.

Yes indeed. And putting it on revonline would be a plus. I always have
to reinvent these things when I need them and I'm not at all sure I'm
doing it in a reasonable way. I'd love to see how you've implemented
this.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From m.young at mac.com  Fri Jul  8 00:02:47 2005
From: m.young at mac.com (Michael Young)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 22:02:47 -0600
Subject: Making Revolution faster using dimensioned arrays
In-Reply-To: <20050708023803.DB520824970@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050708023803.DB520824970@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4fc1895efe27115af436118078feb498@mac.com>

Dennis,

I am not Dan, but I would like to answer because I would love to have 
array objects also.

I would say sort of yes to spreadsheet representation although I am not 
exactly sure how the physical representation would look beyond two 
dimensions.

I would suggest the array as a "container" of more fundamental 
elements: field, button, etc.

I have seen another product use the concept of array for an array all 
of one element type and cluster for an array of multiple element types.

Array object visual representations (might be simpler with attachments 
sent to list):

One dimensional array:
Index in a box. Index can be hidden.
Element is in another box structure that can be resized as needed.
[ index ]| element 1     |
               | element 2     |
               | element 3     |
               | element etc. |
or

[ index ] | element 1     | element 2     | element etc. |

Two dimensional array:
[ index 1 ] | element 1,1 | element 2,1 | element etc. |
[ index 2 ] | element 2,1 | element 2,2 | element etc. |
                   | element 3,1 | element 3,2 | element etc. |

I hopes this post makes some sense. :-)

Michael

On Jul 7, 2005, at 8:38 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com 
wrote:
>
> On Jul 7, 2005, at 7:49 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:
>
>> And if we had an array OBJECT, we could subclass it to get what we
>> really want.
>
> Dan,
>
> This is an interesting concept.  Would an array object have a
> spreadsheet as its visual representation?
>
> Dennis
>
>



From revdan at danshafer.com  Fri Jul  8 01:13:17 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 22:13:17 -0700
Subject: Making Revolution faster using dimensioned arrays
In-Reply-To: <55AEACDB-70C8-4FF9-A0C3-D3C6FCC548EA@writeme.com>
References: <1120778392.42cdb89820b15@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
	<42CDBA36.9010004@sover.net>
	<06CD5B19-5680-49A6-B523-4DBEF2B623A9@danshafer.com>
	<55AEACDB-70C8-4FF9-A0C3-D3C6FCC548EA@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <EF0C4D8F-B43B-45B6-AEE1-C2E8106F603E@danshafer.com>

An array object could have any number of methods to draw itself and  
any number of methods to calculate itself. I imagine a spreadsheet  
would be one (perhaps the favored) visual representation. But some  
arrays don't need a visual presence.

SO we might have an array object that does pretty much what the  
current one does and a fastArray or an integerIndexedArray object  
that sub-classes array and defines properties for indexing that  
override the default and provides some method of calculation in an  
override as well.

Not trying to be an architect here, just thinking out loud.

Dan

On Jul 7, 2005, at 5:45 PM, Dennis Brown wrote:

> On Jul 7, 2005, at 7:49 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:
>
>
>> And if we had an array OBJECT, we could subclass it to get what we  
>> really want.
>>
>
> Dan,
>
> This is an interesting concept.  Would an array object have a  
> spreadsheet as its visual representation?
>
> Dennis
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  8 01:29:04 2005
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 22:29:04 -0700
Subject: revDeleteFolder and Lessons Learned..
In-Reply-To: <42CDE82B.6060301@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <BEF35D30.2AA12%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Hmmm, could there be a patch to help the novice, the unwary, or the
forgetful (or those who do not know how to fix Rev)?

Just changed mine to " on revDeleteFolderXXX ...end  revDeleteFolderXXX "
 in button revCommon in stack revLibraries...in case some other stack I get
from somewhere tries to use revDeleteFolder...it is not there anymore.

Of course, downloading or installing a new version would probably have
revDeleteFolder again, so this is on my to do list for new installs/updates.

Thanks for the heads up, Chipp.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 7/7/05 7:42 PM, "Chipp Walters" <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:

> Here's an interesting story:
> 
> Last night I was working on a 'reset prefs' handler which was to remove
> all the files in a folder.
> 
> It looked something like:
> 
> on resetPrefs
>    put lMasterFolderPath & "/" & lProjectName into tFolderToDelete
>    revDeleteFolder tFolderToDelete
> end resetPrefs
> 
> lMasterFolderPath and lProjectNames are script locals.
> 
> I also have a handler 'checkLocals' which I should've put at the top,
> but I digress.
> 
> In anycase, after applying the script and running, of course the script
> locals are now nulls and the revDeleteFolder contained only a single
> "/", which apparently means: "Delete the entire route hard drive".
> 
> After running it and seeing the processor shoot to 100% and stay there,
> I guessed something was wrong. I tried to quit it, but it's a shell
> script and even the task manager wouldn't allow me to kill it.
> 
> By the time I was able to force shutdown my machine, most the entire
> Windows partition was wasted. Fortunately, my Linux partition was still
> good and I could access my Documents folder and grab most of the stuff
> that mattered, but of course WinXP was completely hosed.
> 
> My lesson learned is NEVER, NEVER, NEVER use revDeleteFolder. I rewrote
> the script to use 'the files' and delete each file individually.
> 
> Hope others can learn from my mistake!
> 
> best,
> 
> Chipp
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From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Jul  8 01:34:33 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 00:34:33 -0500
Subject: revDeleteFolder and Lessons Learned..
In-Reply-To: <BEF35D30.2AA12%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <BEF35D30.2AA12%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42CE1069.3020700@chipp.com>

Jim,

Your patch is a great idea. You should make a stack which automates it :-)

Yeah, I think it's too dangerous a command as it stands...

best,

Chipp

Jim Ault wrote:
> Just changed mine to " on revDeleteFolderXXX ...end  revDeleteFolderXXX "
>  in button revCommon in stack revLibraries...in case some other stack I get
> from somewhere tries to use revDeleteFolder...it is not there anymore.


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  8 01:38:30 2005
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 22:38:30 -0700
Subject: revDeleteFolder and Lessons Learned..
In-Reply-To: <42CE1069.3020700@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <BEF35F66.2AA15%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Well, I thought I did the fix... The stack is actually locked and I am not
sure if it can be unlocked, changed and safely locked again with saving
changes.

Maybe I spoke too soon.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 7/7/05 10:34 PM, "Chipp Walters" <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:

> Jim,
> 
> Your patch is a great idea. You should make a stack which automates it :-)
> 
> Yeah, I think it's too dangerous a command as it stands...
> 
> best,
> 
> Chipp
> 
> Jim Ault wrote:
>> Just changed mine to " on revDeleteFolderXXX ...end  revDeleteFolderXXX "
>>  in button revCommon in stack revLibraries...in case some other stack I get
>> from somewhere tries to use revDeleteFolder...it is not there anymore.
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From xbury.cs at clearstream.com  Fri Jul  8 02:23:05 2005
From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 08:23:05 +0200
Subject: revDeleteFolder and Lessons Learned..
In-Reply-To: <BEF35D30.2AA12%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OF1C596668.BD5B7407-ONC1257038.0022FA7A-C1257038.00230203@deutsche-boerse.com>

Chipp,

I did send a previous warning about these revhandlers 2 months ago...

http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2005-May/057551.html

cheers
Xavier


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From YourSignup at Yahoo.com  Fri Jul  8 02:32:07 2005
From: YourSignup at Yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 20:32:07 -1000
Subject: Printing script problem
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLEEJJHIAA.YourSignup@Yahoo.com>

What's the secret to printing out a script? I've sent it now to two
different HP printers (from the script editor,  File -> Print Script... and
in portrait and landscape and anytime there is a color change, the words
overwrite themselves (in other words, useless). I did set my Font in the
Script Editor Preferences to Font: Arial, Size: 14, Text height: empty. It
displays fine in the script editor. Didn't this kind of printing problem go
out with DOS? Running WinXP and Rev 2.51.

Jim


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul  8 02:41:57 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 08:41:57 +0200
Subject: Printing script problem
In-Reply-To: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLEEJJHIAA.YourSignup@Yahoo.com>
References: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLEEJJHIAA.YourSignup@Yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F451F203-0B1C-4B69-BB88-0C3B47B53285@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Jim,

Le 8 juil. 05 ? 08:32, Jim Bufalini a ?crit :

> What's the secret to printing out a script?

Copy paste it in your word processor :-)
(Assuming if it is for your own use)

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From yoursignup at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  8 02:52:35 2005
From: yoursignup at yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 20:52:35 -1000
Subject: Printing script problem
In-Reply-To: <F451F203-0B1C-4B69-BB88-0C3B47B53285@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLOEJJHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>

You MUST be kidding me! Yes, it's my own script.

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of Eric
Chatonet
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 8:42 PM
To: YourSignup at Yahoo.com; How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Printing script problem


Hi Jim,

Le 8 juil. 05 ? 08:32, Jim Bufalini a ?crit :

> What's the secret to printing out a script?

Copy paste it in your word processor :-)
(Assuming if it is for your own use)

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul  8 03:03:39 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 09:03:39 +0200
Subject: font solution
In-Reply-To: <3503ABB1-34E6-4B8F-A254-390D226B43D6@conncoll.edu>
References: <3503ABB1-34E6-4B8F-A254-390D226B43D6@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <1AAA26E5-A721-4694-A9B8-85776811AE23@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Charles,

You were perfectly right.
Thanks for having dug in the question and for giving us with David  
this clever workaround :-)

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

Le 8 juil. 05 ? 04:55, Charles Hartman a ?crit :

> David Epstein (who's having list access problems & wrote me  
> separately) suggests the solution copied below, to the problem of  
> getting text in a field into "owner" font and style after some  
> lines have been put into another font.
>
> It looks cool, and I'm working toward using it. Meanwhile, I've  
> discovered the source of my problem. If you set the text style of  
> some words in a field to link, bold, etc., and then look at the  
> htmlText of the field, you see that after the end-of-link/bold  
> marker, Rev is putting in a <font> specification (setting it to  
> whatever the effective font is at the time the card is made. Get  
> rid of that font tag, and the following text reverts to the _real_  
> owner's font even when that changes.
>
> Surely that's not the right behavior Rev should have, is it?
>
> (Hope this makes sense -- written in too much haste.)
>
> ========= Epstein Solution ============================
>
> on changeFieldTextProps f,mySize,myFont
>
>   repeat with c = 1 to the number of cards
>
>     put the htmlText of fld f of card c into hold[c]
>
>   end repeat
>
>   set the textSize of fld f to mySize
>
>   set the textFont of fld f to myFont
>
>   repeat with c = 1 to the number of cards
>
>     set the htmlText of fld f of card c to hold[c]
>
>   end repeat
>
> end changeFieldTextProps

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From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Fri Jul  8 04:30:28 2005
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 09:30:28 +0100
Subject: revDeleteFolder and Lessons Learned..
In-Reply-To: <42CDE82B.6060301@chipp.com>
References: <42CDE82B.6060301@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <9231C5D0-FE19-4858-A87A-DCB5A615B777@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 8 Jul 2005, at 03:42, Chipp Walters wrote:

>
> In anycase, after applying the script and running, of course the  
> script locals are now nulls and the revDeleteFolder contained only  
> a single "/", which apparently means: "Delete the entire route hard  
> drive".
>
> After running it and seeing the processor shoot to 100% and stay  
> there, I guessed something was wrong. I tried to quit it, but it's  
> a shell script and even the task manager wouldn't allow me to kill it.
>
> By the time I was able to force shutdown my machine, most the  
> entire Windows partition was wasted. Fortunately, my Linux  
> partition was still good and I could access my Documents folder and  
> grab most of the stuff that mattered, but of course WinXP was  
> completely hosed.
>
> My lesson learned is NEVER, NEVER, NEVER use revDeleteFolder. I  
> rewrote the script to use 'the files' and delete each file  
> individually.
>
> Hope others can learn from my mistake!

My sympathies, Chipp. I bet that hurt.

But I'm not entirely clear of the lesson to be learned. Is the  
problem really with revDeleteFolder, or with the nature of script  
locals?

If we don't use revDeleteFolder, but we want to delete a folder, then  
we have to roll our own routines. This can be plenty dangerous too.

I have my own routine for this using the standard "directories" and  
"files" transcript routines. (There was no revDeleteFolder when I was  
a lad.) But I also managed to wipe half my hard drive before I got  
the routine working. This is a recursive routine, working through all  
of the sub-directories. My error was forgetting that the transcript  
"directories"  function always returns ".." among the list of  
folders. The routine worked perfectly, too perfectly. :(

So do we warn people not to use revDeleteFolder, and leave them to  
their own potentially dangerous devices. Or simply warn people to be  
*extremely* careful when deleting folders and check they are in fact  
deleting the intended folder.


Cheers
Dave


From rev at armbase.com  Fri Jul  8 04:40:06 2005
From: rev at armbase.com (rev at armbase.com)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 09:40:06 +0100
Subject: Resize label boundin 3d box
Message-ID: <1120812006.42ce3be6c1082@webmail.armbase.com>

Hi All
I have a button with the following script that changes the details of a label.

on mouseUp
  set the text of field CustomLabel to field LabelNewName
  set the textsize of field CustomLabel to field LabelNewTextsize
  set the height of field CustomLabel to field LabelNewHeight
  set the width of field CustomLabel to field LabelNewWidth
end mouseUp

As you can see it is resizeing the label font and heigh/width. However the 3D
box only surrounds the text. I would like the 3D label box to be resizeable
(for uniformity) to the heigt/width and  not just surround the text, then I can
incorporate an alignment section into the script.

I cant find anything in the doc's or on the google search-list that fits the
bill.

Anyone know how to make the bounding box bigger than the text? IE the size of
the labelbox?

All the best
bob



From M.Lange at ed.ac.uk  Fri Jul  8 05:34:50 2005
From: M.Lange at ed.ac.uk (Marielle Lange)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 10:34:50 +0100
Subject: Making Revolution faster using dimensioned arrays 
Message-ID: <1120815290.42ce48ba3560d@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>


No worries, Jon... I didn't either interpret Dennis suggestion as converting
revolution to c++ ;-) (I appreciate the value of his comments -- I even
recently voted for Dennis' last suggestion on stack scope variable).

I just wanted to voice the other perspective. Adding new array declarations and
new array manipulations features, I vote for. This would indeed be most useful
for image processing. However, revolution is primarily a 4GL and a 4GL (high
level programming language) as inherent limitations. With a 4GL, you loose in
sheer speed in terms of data crunching. But you win in speed in ease of use and
data manipulation of reasonably-sized projects. Add-ons, externals, new
functions in revolution, all that is welcome... provided that there is never an
attempt to go down from 4GL to 3GL or less.  I prefer a program that is slow
when asked to manipulate 1000x1000 matrices than a program that is slow and
dumb in all other tasks. Back to the idea that not single tool is best for all
jobs.

------------------

I did not interpret Dennis' suggestion as meaning that ALL arrays would
henceforth ONLY have integer indices; rather, I think he was suggesting
that a NEW type of array be created which had this attribute.  All of
the old code would still work.

:)

Jon


From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Jul  8 06:03:11 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 05:03:11 -0500
Subject: revDeleteFolder and Lessons Learned..
In-Reply-To: <9231C5D0-FE19-4858-A87A-DCB5A615B777@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <42CDE82B.6060301@chipp.com>
	<9231C5D0-FE19-4858-A87A-DCB5A615B777@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <42CE4F5F.90306@chipp.com>

Hi Dave,

Well, since I passed revDeleteFolder a single "/" and it tried to delete 
(w/out being able to be interrupted) the *entire* hard disk, I would say 
it's less dangerous to 'roll your own'. I would expect revDeleteFolder 
to take as an argument a valid path, including drive letter. For 
instance I would expect:

revDeleteFolder "C:/"

to delete the C drive. I don't know why just "/" does it and I'm afraid 
to test it with a null, especially since it can't be interrupted. 
Anything you roll on your own can be interrupted with a control-period.

The non-interruptibility of the command is a huge issue, IMO, and one 
I'm not willing to take any more chances on. I haven't looked at the 
code, but as Xavier mentioned, it seems like it should be an engine 
level issue, not a shell call. You are certainly welcome to use it to 
your hearts content-- I won't be. Once burned, twice shy.

best,

Chipp

Dave Cragg wrote:

> But I'm not entirely clear of the lesson to be learned. Is the  problem 
> really with revDeleteFolder, or with the nature of script  locals?
> 
> If we don't use revDeleteFolder, but we want to delete a folder, then  
> we have to roll our own routines. This can be plenty dangerous too.

> So do we warn people not to use revDeleteFolder, and leave them to  
> their own potentially dangerous devices. Or simply warn people to be  
> *extremely* careful when deleting folders and check they are in fact  
> deleting the intended folder.


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul  8 07:10:09 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 13:10:09 +0200
Subject: Resize label boundin 3d box
In-Reply-To: <1120812006.42ce3be6c1082@webmail.armbase.com>
References: <1120812006.42ce3be6c1082@webmail.armbase.com>
Message-ID: <069C20B2-5BEE-4740-9464-26E1E1184B99@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi,

If I understand correctly, you could have a look at 2 properties:  
margins (to specify the distance between the text and the edges of  
any field) and formattedWidth (to set the width of a field according  
to its content).

Le 8 juil. 05 ? 10:40, rev at armbase.com a ?crit :

> Hi All
> I have a button with the following script that changes the details  
> of a label.
>
> on mouseUp
>   set the text of field CustomLabel to field LabelNewName
>   set the textsize of field CustomLabel to field LabelNewTextsize
>   set the height of field CustomLabel to field LabelNewHeight
>   set the width of field CustomLabel to field LabelNewWidth
> end mouseUp
>
> As you can see it is resizeing the label font and heigh/width.  
> However the 3D
> box only surrounds the text. I would like the 3D label box to be  
> resizeable
> (for uniformity) to the heigt/width and  not just surround the  
> text, then I can
> incorporate an alignment section into the script.
>
> I cant find anything in the doc's or on the google search-list that  
> fits the
> bill.
>
> Anyone know how to make the bounding box bigger than the text? IE  
> the size of
> the labelbox?

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Jul  8 07:22:56 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 12:22:56 +0100
Subject: revDeleteFolder and Lessons Learned..
In-Reply-To: <42CE4F5F.90306@chipp.com>
References: <42CDE82B.6060301@chipp.com>	<9231C5D0-FE19-4858-A87A-DCB5A615B777@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<42CE4F5F.90306@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <42CE6210.1020905@tweedly.net>

Chipp Walters wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
> Well, since I passed revDeleteFolder a single "/" and it tried to 
> delete (w/out being able to be interrupted) the *entire* hard disk, I 
> would say it's less dangerous to 'roll your own'. I would expect 
> revDeleteFolder to take as an argument a valid path, including drive 
> letter. For instance I would expect:
>
> revDeleteFolder "C:/"
>
> to delete the C drive. I don't know why just "/" does it and I'm 
> afraid to test it with a null, especially since it can't be 
> interrupted. Anything you roll on your own can be interrupted with a 
> control-period.
>
"/" works  because "/" is a valid directory specifier for Rev. You can do
    set the defaultFolder to "/"
and it does; you don't need a drive specifier.
Come to think of it, you can do it in a Windows shell (or whatever a DOS 
box is called these days) - "cd \"  works.

> The non-interruptibility of the command is a huge issue, IMO, and one 
> I'm not willing to take any more chances on. I haven't looked at the 
> code, but as Xavier mentioned, it seems like it should be an engine 
> level issue, not a shell call. You are certainly welcome to use it to 
> your hearts content-- I won't be. Once burned, twice shy.

Being interruptible would help - but it can be hard to interrupt 
scripts; sometimes takes me repeated hits on ctrl-. for up to 10 
seconds, and you can delete a lot of useful files in 10 seconds.

> Dave Cragg wrote:
>
>> So do we warn people not to use revDeleteFolder, and leave them to  
>> their own potentially dangerous devices. Or simply warn people to be  
>> *extremely* careful when deleting folders and check they are in fact  
>> deleting the intended folder.
>
I think it would be good to have an optional parameter pConfirm which 
would require a user confirmation for each directory (or maybe even each 
file ?). That would make it much more "comfortable" to develop and test 
an application without fear of inadvertently passing a bad starting 
directory, and the parameter could be reverted to (the default of) "off" 
before shipping.

And as a side effect, it would need to be done in the engine rather than 
as a shell command :-)

-- 
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From wouter.abraham at scarlet.be  Fri Jul  8 07:27:36 2005
From: wouter.abraham at scarlet.be (Wouter)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 13:27:36 +0200
Subject: revDeleteFolder and Lessons Learned..
In-Reply-To: <42CE4F5F.90306@chipp.com>
References: <42CDE82B.6060301@chipp.com>
	<9231C5D0-FE19-4858-A87A-DCB5A615B777@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<42CE4F5F.90306@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <932E5952-B045-4731-B911-D00BEAE94956@scarlet.be>

Hi all,

Why patch revDeleteFolder with revDeleteFolderXXX?

Why not patch this backscript in a different way?
Like adding a param (and adapting the handler) :

  on revDeleteFolder pSrcFolder pWithoutWarning

which only will run in stealth mode if the pWithoutWarning is  
explecitely set to true.
(of course you must refrain from turning it on the first time you use  
it during development)
Older apps will still be able to use it, but only in warning mode.

Greetings,
Wouter



On 08 Jul 2005, at 12:03, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
> Well, since I passed revDeleteFolder a single "/" and it tried to  
> delete (w/out being able to be interrupted) the *entire* hard disk,  
> I would say it's less dangerous to 'roll your own'. I would expect  
> revDeleteFolder to take as an argument a valid path, including  
> drive letter. For instance I would expect:
>
> revDeleteFolder "C:/"
>
> to delete the C drive. I don't know why just "/" does it and I'm  
> afraid to test it with a null, especially since it can't be  
> interrupted. Anything you roll on your own can be interrupted with  
> a control-period.
>
> The non-interruptibility of the command is a huge issue, IMO, and  
> one I'm not willing to take any more chances on. I haven't looked  
> at the code, but as Xavier mentioned, it seems like it should be an  
> engine level issue, not a shell call. You are certainly welcome to  
> use it to your hearts content-- I won't be. Once burned, twice shy.
>
> best,
>
> Chipp
>
> Dave Cragg wrote:
>
>
>> But I'm not entirely clear of the lesson to be learned. Is the   
>> problem really with revDeleteFolder, or with the nature of script   
>> locals?
>> If we don't use revDeleteFolder, but we want to delete a folder,  
>> then  we have to roll our own routines. This can be plenty  
>> dangerous too.
>>
>
>
>> So do we warn people not to use revDeleteFolder, and leave them  
>> to  their own potentially dangerous devices. Or simply warn people  
>> to be  *extremely* careful when deleting folders and check they  
>> are in fact  deleting the intended folder.
>>



From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Fri Jul  8 07:58:29 2005
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 12:58:29 +0100
Subject: revDeleteFolder and Lessons Learned..
In-Reply-To: <42CE6210.1020905@tweedly.net>
References: <42CDE82B.6060301@chipp.com>	<9231C5D0-FE19-4858-A87A-DCB5A615B777@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<42CE4F5F.90306@chipp.com> <42CE6210.1020905@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <83AE3FDC-DD26-44C9-B32A-5C3016A10C5C@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 8 Jul 2005, at 12:22, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> Chipp Walters wrote:
>
>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> Well, since I passed revDeleteFolder a single "/" and it tried to  
>> delete (w/out being able to be interrupted) the *entire* hard  
>> disk, I would say it's less dangerous to 'roll your own'. I would  
>> expect revDeleteFolder to take as an argument a valid path,  
>> including drive letter. For instance I would expect:
>>
>> revDeleteFolder "C:/"
>>
>> to delete the C drive. I don't know why just "/" does it and I'm  
>> afraid to test it with a null, especially since it can't be  
>> interrupted. Anything you roll on your own can be interrupted with  
>> a control-period.
>>
>>
> "/" works  because "/" is a valid directory specifier for Rev. You  
> can do
>    set the defaultFolder to "/"
> and it does; you don't need a drive specifier.
> Come to think of it, you can do it in a Windows shell (or whatever  
> a DOS box is called these days) - "cd \"  works.

Interesting, as
   there is a folder "/"
returns false on XP and true on OS X. Which could prove an insidious  
danger.


> I think it would be good to have an optional parameter pConfirm  
> which would require a user confirmation for each directory (or  
> maybe even each file ?). That would make it much more "comfortable"  
> to develop and test an application without fear of inadvertently  
> passing a bad starting directory, and the parameter could be  
> reverted to (the default of) "off" before shipping.

Sounds good.

Cheers
Dave


From xbury.cs at clearstream.com  Fri Jul  8 08:05:51 2005
From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:05:51 +0200
Subject: revDeleteFolder and Lessons Learned..
In-Reply-To: <83AE3FDC-DD26-44C9-B32A-5C3016A10C5C@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <OF805570C3.6BC7DFFC-ONC1257038.00421002-C1257038.0042636A@deutsche-boerse.com>

Guys,

Why not ask a professional? :) I delete production files in a huge huge 
file system among 20 each day.
I CANNOT make a mistake when i delete these things... We're talking 
banking production...

This is what i use for the past 4 years without ONE error...

It works in NT4, NT2000 and XP. Note that the path furnished needs to be 
"\" and not "/" delimited.

cheers
Xavier

function DeleteDir apath
  if " " is in apath or "&" is in apath and quote is not in apath
  then put quote & apath & quote into apath
  set the itemdelimiter to "\"
  get last item of shrname
  if char -1 of it is quote then delete last char of it
  if "$" is in char -1 of it then
    delete char -1 of it
    if length(it) = 1 or it = "IPC" then return "Danger: trying to delete 
a system share!" && shrname
  end if
  get shell("rd" && apath && "/s /q")
  return it
end DeleteDir


On 08/07/2005 13:58:29 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>On 8 Jul 2005, at 12:22, Alex Tweedly wrote:
>
>> Chipp Walters wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hi Dave,
>>>
>>> Well, since I passed revDeleteFolder a single "/" and it tried to
>>> delete (w/out being able to be interrupted) the *entire* hard
>>> disk, I would say it's less dangerous to 'roll your own'. I would
>>> expect revDeleteFolder to take as an argument a valid path,
>>> including drive letter. For instance I would expect:
>>>
>>> revDeleteFolder "C:/"
>>>
>>> to delete the C drive. I don't know why just "/" does it and I'm
>>> afraid to test it with a null, especially since it can't be
>>> interrupted. Anything you roll on your own can be interrupted with
>>> a control-period.
>>>
>>>
>> "/" works  because "/" is a valid directory specifier for Rev. You
>> can do
>>    set the defaultFolder to "/"
>> and it does; you don't need a drive specifier.
>> Come to think of it, you can do it in a Windows shell (or whatever
>> a DOS box is called these days) - "cd \"  works.
>
>Interesting, as
>there is a folder "/"
>returns false on XP and true on OS X. Which could prove an insidious
>danger.
>
>
>> I think it would be good to have an optional parameter pConfirm
>> which would require a user confirmation for each directory (or
>> maybe even each file ?). That would make it much more "comfortable"
>> to develop and test an application without fear of inadvertently
>> passing a bad starting directory, and the parameter could be
>> reverted to (the default of) "off" before shipping.
>
>Sounds good.
>
>Cheers
>Dave
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From ludovic.thebault at laposte.net  Fri Jul  8 08:26:16 2005
From: ludovic.thebault at laposte.net (Ludovic THEBAULT)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:26:16 +0200
Subject: revDeleteFolder and Lessons Learned..
In-Reply-To: <OF805570C3.6BC7DFFC-ONC1257038.00421002-C1257038.0042636A@deutsche-boerse.com>
References: <OF805570C3.6BC7DFFC-ONC1257038.00421002-C1257038.0042636A@deutsche-boerse.com>
Message-ID: <D9C49EE0-B184-4C10-8608-9107FF77BD5B@laposte.net>

Why not use something like this (here, for MacOS X) :

put specialFolderPath("Desktop") into trashFolder
set the itemDel to "/"
put ".Trash/" into last item of trashFolder
rename folder tfolderpath to trashFolder&"/"&tfolderpath





From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Jul  8 08:31:06 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 07:31:06 -0500
Subject: Printing script problem
In-Reply-To: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLEEJJHIAA.YourSignup@Yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BEF3DC3A.4DA2%kray@sonsothunder.com>

> What's the secret to printing out a script? I've sent it now to two
> different HP printers (from the script editor,  File -> Print Script... and
> in portrait and landscape and anytime there is a color change, the words
> overwrite themselves (in other words, useless).

Jim, this is a known bug that's logged in Bugzilla... hopefully it will be
fixed the next time around. Until then, there are two methods - Eric's (copy
and paste somewhere else), or use Alex Rice's MLXEditor to use some other
application (like Notepad, TextPad, etc.) as your script editor and print it
from there.


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/





From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Jul  8 08:38:22 2005
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:38:22 +0200
Subject: revDeleteFolder and Lessons Learned..
In-Reply-To: <OF805570C3.6BC7DFFC-ONC1257038.00421002-C1257038.0042636A@deutsche-boerse.com>
References: <OF805570C3.6BC7DFFC-ONC1257038.00421002-C1257038.0042636A@deutsche-boerse.com>
Message-ID: <FF4F4110-8E31-44EC-9E0B-F90A892BA540@major-k.de>

Bonjour Xavier,

> Guys,
>
> Why not ask a professional? :)

A VERY good idea!

Do you happen to know one? :-D


Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Fri Jul  8 08:39:56 2005
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 13:39:56 +0100
Subject: recOnline Viewer
In-Reply-To: <OF805570C3.6BC7DFFC-ONC1257038.00421002-C1257038.0042636A@deutsche-boerse
	.com>
References: <OF805570C3.6BC7DFFC-ONC1257038.00421002-C1257038.0042636A@deutsche-boerse
	.com>
Message-ID: <a05210600bef42345129d@[192.168.80.101]>

Hi All,

Is there anyway to stop the revOnline Viewer window from popping up 
everytime I launch RunRev? It is sooooooo annoying!

It wouldn't be too bad, if there were not so many bugs in the IDE 
that make it necessary to relaunch RunRev. I really can't see the 
point of popping up this window EVERY time you launch rev, anyone 
else agree?

I MUCH better thing to do IMHO would be to open the Application 
Browser on the last stack used. Now that would be useful.

At the very least I reckon the display of the revOnline window should 
be a Preference.

Just my 5 cents worth
All the Best
Dave




From xbury.cs at clearstream.com  Fri Jul  8 08:41:53 2005
From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:41:53 +0200
Subject: revDeleteFolder and Lessons Learned..
In-Reply-To: <FF4F4110-8E31-44EC-9E0B-F90A892BA540@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <OFA1A3AC3C.F0F63553-ONC1257038.00458376-C1257038.0045AFD0@deutsche-boerse.com>

You're too funny Klaus,

That's the script i use professionally... On EMC TB storage.
When it comes to delete 10 millions files... There's no way
I'd use Rev-Anything... I tested it for a minor monthly deletejob
and it didn't even work for the test. So...

So, if you ask a professional that does this kind of stuff for the 
past 6 years?

First test this on a test drive (or mountpoint).
Never on your data or OS drive...

Then implement... Chipp seems to know what i mean now ;)

cheers
Xavier

On 08/07/2005 14:38:22 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>Bonjour Xavier,
>
>> Guys,
>>
>> Why not ask a professional? :)
>
>A VERY good idea!
>
>Do you happen to know one? :-D
>
>
>Best
>
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>klaus at major-k.de
>http://www.major-k.de
>
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From wouter.abraham at scarlet.be  Fri Jul  8 08:44:48 2005
From: wouter.abraham at scarlet.be (Wouter)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:44:48 +0200
Subject: recOnline Viewer
In-Reply-To: <a05210600bef42345129d@[192.168.80.101]>
References: <OF805570C3.6BC7DFFC-ONC1257038.00421002-C1257038.0042636A@deutsche-boerse
	.com> <a05210600bef42345129d@[192.168.80.101]>
Message-ID: <C19981B5-85F8-477D-B832-6D4574778086@scarlet.be>


On 08 Jul 2005, at 14:39, David Burgun wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Is there anyway to stop the revOnline Viewer window from popping up  
> everytime I launch RunRev? It is sooooooo annoying!
>
> It wouldn't be too bad, if there were not so many bugs in the IDE  
> that make it necessary to relaunch RunRev. I really can't see the  
> point of popping up this window EVERY time you launch rev, anyone  
> else agree?
>
> I MUCH better thing to do IMHO would be to open the Application  
> Browser on the last stack used. Now that would be useful.
>
> At the very least I reckon the display of the revOnline window  
> should be a Preference.

It is.


>
> Just my 5 cents worth
> All the Best
> Dave


Greetings,
Wouter


From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Jul  8 08:47:30 2005
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:47:30 +0200
Subject: recOnline Viewer
In-Reply-To: <a05210600bef42345129d@[192.168.80.101]>
References: <OF805570C3.6BC7DFFC-ONC1257038.00421002-C1257038.0042636A@deutsche-boerse
	.com> <a05210600bef42345129d@[192.168.80.101]>
Message-ID: <F62DA23B-92FC-4F75-8CD3-8F0F7C94E334@major-k.de>

Hi David,

> Hi All,
>
> Is there anyway to stop the revOnline Viewer window from popping up  
> everytime I launch RunRev? It is sooooooo annoying!
>
> It wouldn't be too bad, if there were not so many bugs in the IDE  
> that make it necessary to relaunch RunRev. I really can't see the  
> point of popping up this window EVERY time you launch rev, anyone  
> else agree?
>
> I MUCH better thing to do IMHO would be to open the Application  
> Browser on the last stack used. Now that would be useful.
>
> At the very least I reckon the display of the revOnline window  
> should be a Preference.

It is, mon ami, it is!

Clean your glasses and take a look at:

Preferences -> General -> Automatically launch Revolution Online

:-)

> Just my 5 cents worth
> All the Best
> Dave

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Fri Jul  8 08:55:43 2005
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 13:55:43 +0100
Subject: revDeleteFolder and Lessons Learned..
In-Reply-To: <42CDE82B.6060301@chipp.com>
References: <42CDE82B.6060301@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <a05210601bef42694d980@[192.168.80.101]>

Owwwww, that's just horrible!

I tend to develop code that can do lasting dammage on either a 
seperate hard disk or another machine, it's really bad news 
developing code on your "everyday" work machine.

Either that or have all my files backed up in a Source Control 
Database in  server.

I reckon that a change is in order for this. How about a Global 
property - "confirmDeletes" (true/false) ? This would be defaulted to 
true. Or maybe a "recurseFolders" (true/false) which would control if 
folders inside folders should be deleted.

All the Best
Dave

>Here's an interesting story:
>
>Last night I was working on a 'reset prefs' handler which was to 
>remove all the files in a folder.
>
>It looked something like:
>
>on resetPrefs
>   put lMasterFolderPath & "/" & lProjectName into tFolderToDelete
>   revDeleteFolder tFolderToDelete
>end resetPrefs
>
>lMasterFolderPath and lProjectNames are script locals.
>
>I also have a handler 'checkLocals' which I should've put at the 
>top, but I digress.
>
>In anycase, after applying the script and running, of course the 
>script locals are now nulls and the revDeleteFolder contained only a 
>single "/", which apparently means: "Delete the entire route hard 
>drive".
>
>After running it and seeing the processor shoot to 100% and stay 
>there, I guessed something was wrong. I tried to quit it, but it's a 
>shell script and even the task manager wouldn't allow me to kill it.
>
>By the time I was able to force shutdown my machine, most the entire 
>Windows partition was wasted. Fortunately, my Linux partition was 
>still good and I could access my Documents folder and grab most of 
>the stuff that mattered, but of course WinXP was completely hosed.
>
>My lesson learned is NEVER, NEVER, NEVER use revDeleteFolder. I 
>rewrote the script to use 'the files' and delete each file 
>individually.
>
>Hope others can learn from my mistake!
>
>best,
>
>Chipp


From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Fri Jul  8 08:59:28 2005
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 13:59:28 +0100
Subject: recOnline Viewer
In-Reply-To: <F62DA23B-92FC-4F75-8CD3-8F0F7C94E334@major-k.de>
References: <OF805570C3.6BC7DFFC-ONC1257038.00421002-C1257038.0042636A@deutsche-boerse
	.com> <a05210600bef42345129d@[192.168.80.101]>
	<F62DA23B-92FC-4F75-8CD3-8F0F7C94E334@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <a05210602bef4288c4fdc@[192.168.80.101]>

Excellent! Sorry!  Couldn't see it for looking! Now just default it 
to off and we're away!

Still think it would be a good idea to have a pref for opened the App 
Browser and Open Last Stack.

Bye for now
Dave



>Hi David,
>
>>Hi All,
>>
>>Is there anyway to stop the revOnline Viewer window from popping up 
>>everytime I launch RunRev? It is sooooooo annoying!
>>
>>It wouldn't be too bad, if there were not so many bugs in the IDE 
>>that make it necessary to relaunch RunRev. I really can't see the 
>>point of popping up this window EVERY time you launch rev, anyone 
>>else agree?
>>
>>I MUCH better thing to do IMHO would be to open the Application 
>>Browser on the last stack used. Now that would be useful.
>>
>>At the very least I reckon the display of the revOnline window 
>>should be a Preference.
>
>It is, mon ami, it is!
>
>Clean your glasses and take a look at:
>
>Preferences -> General -> Automatically launch Revolution Online
>
>:-)
>
>>Just my 5 cents worth
>>All the Best
>>Dave
>
>Regards
>
>Klaus Major
>klaus at major-k.de
>http://www.major-k.de
>
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From mark at maseurope.net  Fri Jul  8 05:58:44 2005
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 10:58:44 +0100
Subject: Resize label boundin 3d box
In-Reply-To: <1120812006.42ce3be6c1082@webmail.armbase.com>
References: <1120812006.42ce3be6c1082@webmail.armbase.com>
Message-ID: <48766f626bdfbb61ff44943acc7cf8d0@maseurope.net>

If you want a big label field with the text centered both horizontally 
and vertically, it might be easier to experiment with using a button.


Mark

On 8 Jul 2005, at 09:40, rev at armbase.com wrote:

> Hi All
> I have a button with the following script that changes the details of 
> a label.
>
> on mouseUp
>   set the text of field CustomLabel to field LabelNewName
>   set the textsize of field CustomLabel to field LabelNewTextsize
>   set the height of field CustomLabel to field LabelNewHeight
>   set the width of field CustomLabel to field LabelNewWidth
> end mouseUp
>
> As you can see it is resizeing the label font and heigh/width. However 
> the 3D
> box only surrounds the text. I would like the 3D label box to be 
> resizeable
> (for uniformity) to the heigt/width and  not just surround the text, 
> then I can
> incorporate an alignment section into the script.
>
> I cant find anything in the doc's or on the google search-list that 
> fits the
> bill.
>
> Anyone know how to make the bounding box bigger than the text? IE the 
> size of
> the labelbox?
>
> All the best
> bob
>
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul  8 09:05:50 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:05:50 +0200
Subject: recOnline Viewer
In-Reply-To: <a05210602bef4288c4fdc@[192.168.80.101]>
References: <OF805570C3.6BC7DFFC-ONC1257038.00421002-C1257038.0042636A@deutsche-boerse
	.com> <a05210600bef42345129d@[192.168.80.101]>
	<F62DA23B-92FC-4F75-8CD3-8F0F7C94E334@major-k.de>
	<a05210602bef4288c4fdc@[192.168.80.101]>
Message-ID: <40502DA9-F7BF-4A84-8A49-DA107636AC59@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Dave,

As for the app browser, it's automatic: Rev opens it if it was open  
when you quit the previous session.
As for last stack, it depends on too many things and ways for  
everybody to work.
But you can dowload my Stacks Picker plugin from my web-site and  
define preferences to open, start using, etc. all stacks needed at  
start-up with it.

Le 8 juil. 05 ? 14:59, David Burgun a ?crit :

> Still think it would be a good idea to have a pref for opened the  
> App Browser and Open Last Stack.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From M.Lange at ed.ac.uk  Fri Jul  8 09:09:43 2005
From: M.Lange at ed.ac.uk (Marielle Lange)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 14:09:43 +0100
Subject: Making Revolution faster using dimensioned arrays
Message-ID: <1120828183.42ce7b1754755@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>

>I also use the current array capabilities and do not want to lose
>anything we have.  In fact I am in favor of expanding them further.
>What I propose is a different array organization that is optimized
>for execution speed and space efficiency at the cost of a more
>restricted organizational flexibility.  The restrictions would only
>occur if you wanted to make this tradeoff for a particular array.
> And if we had an array OBJECT, we could subclass it to get what we
> really want.

I reacted on the fact you proposed a c/c++ solution....

>This is an interesting concept.  Would an array object have a
>spreadsheet as its visual representation?

When I pointed to SQL, I was hinting to the same idea. But I am only a hobbyist
programmer, I can only stir a debate and let others express things better than
I can ;-).

Marielle


Dennis

I would be interested to know if in you timing test, you also tried using a
variable rather than an array.

repeat for x in (trows)
 repeat for y in (tcolumns)
    do something on (variable & "_" & x & "_" & y).
 end repeat
end repeat

+ what if you store all rows in one array rowdata[1] and all columns in another
one columndata[1]. You then reduce the dimensionality and perhaps access time.

Marielle


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul  8 09:25:19 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:25:19 +0200
Subject: revDeleteFolder and Lessons Learned..
In-Reply-To: <42CDE82B.6060301@chipp.com>
References: <42CDE82B.6060301@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <ED7EE7FB-B5BA-4C03-9A93-98EDAA9CDCC0@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Chipp and others who suggested many ideas,

First, Chipp, I really feel for you in your sorrow.
One day or another, we have all known that one second thing able to  
cause havoc... and all the hours later to put the things right.

Second, I think that a command which deletes a folder *has to* delete  
a folder.
It's us who have to pay attention to a possible devastation.
As for me, I want Rev powerful.

May be, some additional statement could warn when the directory is a  
root directory but I assume that runRev guys would answer "that's  
your problem..." and they would be right.
My two cents.

Le 8 juil. 05 ? 04:42, Chipp Walters a ?crit :

> Here's an interesting story:
>
> Last night I was working on a 'reset prefs' handler which was to  
> remove all the files in a folder.
>
> It looked something like:
>
> on resetPrefs
>   put lMasterFolderPath & "/" & lProjectName into tFolderToDelete
>   revDeleteFolder tFolderToDelete
> end resetPrefs
>
> lMasterFolderPath and lProjectNames are script locals.
>
> I also have a handler 'checkLocals' which I should've put at the  
> top, but I digress.
>
> In anycase, after applying the script and running, of course the  
> script locals are now nulls and the revDeleteFolder contained only  
> a single "/", which apparently means: "Delete the entire route hard  
> drive".
>
> After running it and seeing the processor shoot to 100% and stay  
> there, I guessed something was wrong. I tried to quit it, but it's  
> a shell script and even the task manager wouldn't allow me to kill it.
>
> By the time I was able to force shutdown my machine, most the  
> entire Windows partition was wasted. Fortunately, my Linux  
> partition was still good and I could access my Documents folder and  
> grab most of the stuff that mattered, but of course WinXP was  
> completely hosed.
>
> My lesson learned is NEVER, NEVER, NEVER use revDeleteFolder. I  
> rewrote the script to use 'the files' and delete each file  
> individually.


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From jbondy at sover.net  Fri Jul  8 09:26:46 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 09:26:46 -0400
Subject: recOnline Viewer
In-Reply-To: <F62DA23B-92FC-4F75-8CD3-8F0F7C94E334@major-k.de>
References: <OF805570C3.6BC7DFFC-ONC1257038.00421002-C1257038.0042636A@deutsche-boerse	.com>
	<a05210600bef42345129d@[192.168.80.101]>
	<F62DA23B-92FC-4F75-8CD3-8F0F7C94E334@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <42CE7F16.9050905@sover.net>

In all fairness, I had a hard time finding this preference, too: I had 
no idea it was there.

:)

Jon


>>
>> At the very least I reckon the display of the revOnline window  
>> should be a Preference.
>
>
> It is, mon ami, it is!
>
> Clean your glasses and take a look at:
>
> Preferences -> General -> Automatically launch Revolution Online
>
>


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul  8 09:33:28 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:33:28 +0200
Subject: recOnline Viewer
In-Reply-To: <42CE7F16.9050905@sover.net>
References: <OF805570C3.6BC7DFFC-ONC1257038.00421002-C1257038.0042636A@deutsche-boerse	.com>
	<a05210600bef42345129d@[192.168.80.101]>
	<F62DA23B-92FC-4F75-8CD3-8F0F7C94E334@major-k.de>
	<42CE7F16.9050905@sover.net>
Message-ID: <2C92B86B-99F0-4B89-AC73-CB90C5FCF0A9@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi all,

I agree.
Ergonomics are not the strong point of runRev.
This pref (open Rev Online at start-up or not) should be included in  
Rev Online itself.
May I add that the prefs button at the top-right of the Rev Online  
window does not make sense?
I thought for a long time it was only a "logo" :-)

Le 8 juil. 05 ? 15:26, Jon a ?crit :

> In all fairness, I had a hard time finding this preference, too: I  
> had no idea it was there.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From jbondy at sover.net  Fri Jul  8 09:37:17 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 09:37:17 -0400
Subject: recOnline Viewer
In-Reply-To: <2C92B86B-99F0-4B89-AC73-CB90C5FCF0A9@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <OF805570C3.6BC7DFFC-ONC1257038.00421002-C1257038.0042636A@deutsche-boerse	.com>	<a05210600bef42345129d@[192.168.80.101]>	<F62DA23B-92FC-4F75-8CD3-8F0F7C94E334@major-k.de>	<42CE7F16.9050905@sover.net>
	<2C92B86B-99F0-4B89-AC73-CB90C5FCF0A9@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <42CE818D.70402@sover.net>



Eric Chatonet wrote:

> This pref (open Rev Online at start-up or not) should be included in  
> Rev Online itself.


Agree!

> May I add that the prefs button at the top-right of the Rev Online  
> window does not make sense?
> I thought for a long time it was only a "logo" :-)


I had no idea that some of those items did anything.  I guess I have to 
click on everything I can see!




From jbondy at sover.net  Fri Jul  8 09:38:14 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 09:38:14 -0400
Subject: documentation mini-bug
Message-ID: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>

When I open the Rev Documentation, almost every time, the currently 
active button (Objects, Dictionary, etc) does not correspond to the 
currently displayed content.

I also have a feature request: while looking at the Dictionary, it sure 
would be nice if I typed "OPE" and the list jumped to the entries 
starting with "Open"...

:)

Jon


From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Fri Jul  8 10:33:06 2005
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:33:06 +0100
Subject: recOnline Viewer
In-Reply-To: <40502DA9-F7BF-4A84-8A49-DA107636AC59@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <OF805570C3.6BC7DFFC-ONC1257038.00421002-C1257038.0042636A@deutsche-boerse
	.com> <a05210600bef42345129d@[192.168.80.101]>
	<F62DA23B-92FC-4F75-8CD3-8F0F7C94E334@major-k.de>
	<a05210602bef4288c4fdc@[192.168.80.101]>
	<40502DA9-F7BF-4A84-8A49-DA107636AC59@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <a05210600bef439de0ee1@[192.168.80.101]>

Hi,

I just tested it and the App Browser does open as you say! This must 
be new, cos on the last version I swear you had to open it each time 
the app was launched.

The Stack issues is not a big one, it's just that if you have 3 or 4 
seperate main stacks open and the IDE crashes, it's a real pain to 
have to open them all again.

The open recent files is a help, but would be cool IMO if it were a 
pref, but no biggie!

Think I am still in shock from the terrible destruction of yesterday, 
if anyone on this list was hurt or knows someone that was hurt or 
worse, my heart goes out to you. I got off lightly, a 40 min journey 
took me 5 hours, so I lost 4 hours and 20 mins of my 
life............................. Much worse for some.

All the Best
Dave

>Hi Dave,
>
>As for the app browser, it's automatic: Rev opens it if it was open 
>when you quit the previous session.
>As for last stack, it depends on too many things and ways for 
>everybody to work.
>But you can dowload my Stacks Picker plugin from my web-site and 
>define preferences to open, start using, etc. all stacks needed at 
>start-up with it.
>
>Le 8 juil. 05 ? 14:59, David Burgun a ?crit :
>
>>Still think it would be a good idea to have a pref for opened the 
>>App Browser and Open Last Stack.
>
>Best Regards from Paris,
>
>Eric Chatonet.
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From sims at ezpzapps.com  Fri Jul  8 10:37:55 2005
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 16:37:55 +0200
Subject: recOnline Viewer
In-Reply-To: <a05210600bef439de0ee1@[192.168.80.101]>
References: <OF805570C3.6BC7DFFC-ONC1257038.00421002-C1257038.0042636A@deutsche-boerse
	.com> <a05210600bef42345129d@[192.168.80.101]>
	<F62DA23B-92FC-4F75-8CD3-8F0F7C94E334@major-k.de>
	<a05210602bef4288c4fdc@[192.168.80.101]>
	<40502DA9-F7BF-4A84-8A49-DA107636AC59@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<a05210600bef439de0ee1@[192.168.80.101]>
Message-ID: <p06200701bef43f9570f1@[10.0.0.4]>

At 3:33 PM +0100 7/8/05, David Burgun wrote:
>I just tested it and the App Browser does open as you say! This must
>be new, cos on the last version I swear you had to open it each time
>the app was launched.

Just to prove that you cannot make everyone happy...   ;-)

I dislike having the App Browser opening. I usually never use the
App Browser. Now I have to close the thing all the time. I am guessing
that there isn't a preference for keeping it closed and I might have to
muck around in the rev_ code. Argh.

Can anyone point me to a preference for keeping it closed unless
I want to open it myself?

ciao,
sims


From rev at armbase.com  Fri Jul  8 10:49:41 2005
From: rev at armbase.com (rev at armbase.com)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 15:49:41 +0100
Subject: Resize label boundin 3d box
In-Reply-To: <48766f626bdfbb61ff44943acc7cf8d0@maseurope.net>
References: <1120812006.42ce3be6c1082@webmail.armbase.com>
	<48766f626bdfbb61ff44943acc7cf8d0@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <1120834181.42ce9285567e8@webmail.armbase.com>

Quoting Mark Smith <mark at maseurope.net>:

Hi Mark

> If you want a big label field with the text centered both horizontally
> and vertically, it might be easier to experiment with using a button.
>

Yes this is exactly what I am going to do. I'll us eone for the label and a
plain button for a 3D label.

Cheers
Bob

>
> Mark
>
> On 8 Jul 2005, at 09:40, rev at armbase.com wrote:
>
> > Hi All
> > I have a button with the following script that changes the details of
> > a label.
> >
> > on mouseUp
> >   set the text of field CustomLabel to field LabelNewName
> >   set the textsize of field CustomLabel to field LabelNewTextsize
> >   set the height of field CustomLabel to field LabelNewHeight
> >   set the width of field CustomLabel to field LabelNewWidth
> > end mouseUp
> >
> > As you can see it is resizeing the label font and heigh/width. However
> > the 3D
> > box only surrounds the text. I would like the 3D label box to be
> > resizeable
> > (for uniformity) to the heigt/width and  not just surround the text,
> > then I can
> > incorporate an alignment section into the script.
> >
> > I cant find anything in the doc's or on the google search-list that
> > fits the
> > bill.
> >
> > Anyone know how to make the bounding box bigger than the text? IE the
> > size of
> > the labelbox?
> >
> > All the best
> > bob
> >
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From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Fri Jul  8 10:49:58 2005
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:49:58 +0100
Subject: recOnline Viewer
In-Reply-To: <p06200701bef43f9570f1@[10.0.0.4]>
References: <OF805570C3.6BC7DFFC-ONC1257038.00421002-C1257038.0042636A@deutsche-boerse
	.com> <a05210600bef42345129d@[192.168.80.101]>
	<F62DA23B-92FC-4F75-8CD3-8F0F7C94E334@major-k.de>
	<a05210602bef4288c4fdc@[192.168.80.101]>
	<40502DA9-F7BF-4A84-8A49-DA107636AC59@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<a05210600bef439de0ee1@[192.168.80.101]>
	<p06200701bef43f9570f1@[10.0.0.4]>
Message-ID: <a05210601bef442d429e4@[192.168.80.101]>

Hi,

Well that's what I was suggesting, an "Open App Browser on Launch" 
Checkbox would do it. Or maybe "Open App Browser when Opening Stack" 
would be better.

All the Best
Dave


>At 3:33 PM +0100 7/8/05, David Burgun wrote:
>>I just tested it and the App Browser does open as you say! This must
>>be new, cos on the last version I swear you had to open it each time
>>the app was launched.
>
>Just to prove that you cannot make everyone happy...   ;-)
>
>I dislike having the App Browser opening. I usually never use the
>App Browser. Now I have to close the thing all the time. I am guessing
>that there isn't a preference for keeping it closed and I might have to
>muck around in the rev_ code. Argh.
>
>Can anyone point me to a preference for keeping it closed unless
>I want to open it myself?
>
>ciao,
>sims
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From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Fri Jul  8 11:00:52 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 11:00:52 -0400
Subject: fonts & styles
Message-ID: <4485E2D1-E8D4-43C1-A9E8-18DB0653661B@conncoll.edu>

I have fields containing a lot of text, mostly in "owner's font,"  
"plain," but with some pieces in a specified font and other pieces in  
styles bold, link, etc.

When I change the owner's font (in this case, the main stack's), the  
changes in the text on the cards' fields are inconsistent.

In particular, every time there's a style change (into & out of bold  
for example, link, etc), a "font" tag gets inserted, hard-wiring  
whatever the owner's font *was* at the time the text was edited. So  
the next time the owner's font changes, it affects everything *up to*  
that style change, but after that the old font is wired in place.

I"m editing the text in the Contents pane of the Inspector. Doing  
this in the Encoded Text Picker doesn't seem to help. It must be  
behavior in the Rev engine I suppse.

I'm not able to think of a way not to call this a serious bug. Is  
there a workaround?? Am I missing something basic?


Charles Hartman
Professor of English, Poet in Residence
Connecticut College
charles.hartman at conncoll.edu
*the Scandroid* is at cherry.conncoll.edu/cohar/Programs







From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Fri Jul  8 11:09:27 2005
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 10:09:27 -0500
Subject: recOnline Viewer
In-Reply-To: <p06200701bef43f9570f1@[10.0.0.4]>
References: <OF805570C3.6BC7DFFC-ONC1257038.00421002-C1257038.0042636A@deutsche-boerse	.com>
	<a05210600bef42345129d@[192.168.80.101]>	<F62DA23B-92FC-4F75-8CD3-8F0F7C94E334@major-k.de>	<a05210602bef4288c4fdc@[192.168.80.101]>	<40502DA9-F7BF-4A84-8A49-DA107636AC59@sosmartsoftware.com>	<a05210600bef439de0ee1@[192.168.80.101]>
	<p06200701bef43f9570f1@[10.0.0.4]>
Message-ID: <42CE9727.10801@dreamscapesoftware.com>

sims wrote:
> Just to prove that you cannot make everyone happy...   ;-)

How true.  I too am unhappy about the Application Browser.  It never 
opens in the same location.  I have a BugZilla ticket opened with a fix, 
so votes would be appreciated.

The Property Palette also has the same issue, but fixing it is a little 
bit more intricate.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
_______________________________________________
Compress Photos for the Web with JPEGCompress
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul  8 11:32:22 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 17:32:22 +0200
Subject: fonts & styles
In-Reply-To: <4485E2D1-E8D4-43C1-A9E8-18DB0653661B@conncoll.edu>
References: <4485E2D1-E8D4-43C1-A9E8-18DB0653661B@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <7CBEC5B7-B26B-4E85-9CE9-A3CAC90F57B4@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Charles,

Rev has a weird behaviour we discussed on this list a long time ago:
If the font is the owner's font and the size the owner's size , there  
are no problem.
But once you have changed the size or the style of such a chunk, the  
font of this chunk is no longer the owner's font (empty) but the  
*effective* owner's font.
If I remember correctly, this is not a bug but falls within a runRev  
choice that we do regret.

Le 8 juil. 05 ? 17:00, Charles Hartman a ?crit :

> I have fields containing a lot of text, mostly in "owner's font,"  
> "plain," but with some pieces in a specified font and other pieces  
> in styles bold, link, etc.
>
> When I change the owner's font (in this case, the main stack's),  
> the changes in the text on the cards' fields are inconsistent.
>
> In particular, every time there's a style change (into & out of  
> bold for example, link, etc), a "font" tag gets inserted, hard- 
> wiring whatever the owner's font *was* at the time the text was  
> edited. So the next time the owner's font changes, it affects  
> everything *up to* that style change, but after that the old font  
> is wired in place.
>
> I"m editing the text in the Contents pane of the Inspector. Doing  
> this in the Encoded Text Picker doesn't seem to help. It must be  
> behavior in the Rev engine I suppse.
>
> I'm not able to think of a way not to call this a serious bug. Is  
> there a workaround?? Am I missing something basic?


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From larsbrehmer at mac.com  Fri Jul  8 11:37:34 2005
From: larsbrehmer at mac.com (Lars Brehmer)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 18:37:34 +0300
Subject: Mark by finding & mark cds where - again
Message-ID: <CBCDFF12-98DB-40CC-8EC2-6453ECA0431F@mac.com>

I was following the discussion earlier about "mark by finding" etc.  
and I have a quick question. I have a pretty good search thing going  
using custom properties, but I can't get it to work using "string."   
For now I am using

mark cds where (the findIt of me) is among the words of the wdP of  
this cd

and have also used the same but with "among the chars" but would  
rather look for a string.  This has to do with commas and brackets  
within the custom props. These custom props are in the uniEncode UTF8  
format.  is this somehow the problem, or am i just getting the syntax  
wrong when I use string instead of word or char?

Cheers,

Lars

From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Fri Jul  8 11:42:07 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 11:42:07 -0400
Subject: fonts & styles
In-Reply-To: <7CBEC5B7-B26B-4E85-9CE9-A3CAC90F57B4@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <4485E2D1-E8D4-43C1-A9E8-18DB0653661B@conncoll.edu>
	<7CBEC5B7-B26B-4E85-9CE9-A3CAC90F57B4@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <AC4BA14C-340B-4D32-BC3C-21357E36FE08@conncoll.edu>

I'm afraid I can't see how to call it not a bug.

Let me put it another way. If I want all text in a field that doesn't  
have a specified font to be in the owner's font -- isn't that the  
whole idea of inheritance? -- then why should that _font_ setup be  
overridden by a _style_ setting? That is, why would Rev insist on  
inserting a <font> tag in the htmlText rather than using the for  
example <a> and </a> tags and leaving the font alone? (Linking font  
and size makes sense, I think; linking font and style doesn't.)

Isn't this problem going to arise with any stack that's meant to run  
on more than one platform, for example?

Or to put it yet another way: don't mean to be obstreperous, but how  
to I work around this "feature"?

Charles Hartman

On Jul 8, 2005, at 11:32 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi Charles,
>
> Rev has a weird behaviour we discussed on this list a long time ago:
> If the font is the owner's font and the size the owner's size ,  
> there are no problem.
> But once you have changed the size or the style of such a chunk,  
> the font of this chunk is no longer the owner's font (empty) but  
> the *effective* owner's font.
> If I remember correctly, this is not a bug but falls within a  
> runRev choice that we do regret.
>



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul  8 11:43:19 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 17:43:19 +0200
Subject: fonts & styles
In-Reply-To: <7CBEC5B7-B26B-4E85-9CE9-A3CAC90F57B4@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <4485E2D1-E8D4-43C1-A9E8-18DB0653661B@conncoll.edu>
	<7CBEC5B7-B26B-4E85-9CE9-A3CAC90F57B4@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <A6F7BC05-B941-4318-9A01-E7B34F459A0C@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi,

Just an addendum to my last post to be clear:

Create a new stack and a field.
Type anything in it.
Select any word and check its font in the Text menu: it's the owner's  
font.
Set the style of this word to bold (or change its size, etc.)
Check the font in the Text menu: it's no longer the owner's font but  
now it's the *effective* owner's font which appear check-marked.

May be Ken (if you hear me :-) could provide some regex to strip the  
font tags when they are specifying the owner's font in the html text?
Would be a solution?

Le 8 juil. 05 ? 17:32, Eric Chatonet a ?crit :

> Hi Charles,
>
> Rev has a weird behaviour we discussed on this list a long time ago:
> If the font is the owner's font and the size the owner's size ,  
> there are no problem.
> But once you have changed the size or the style of such a chunk,  
> the font of this chunk is no longer the owner's font (empty) but  
> the *effective* owner's font.
> If I remember correctly, this is not a bug but falls within a  
> runRev choice that we do regret.
>
> Le 8 juil. 05 ? 17:00, Charles Hartman a ?crit :
>
>
>> I have fields containing a lot of text, mostly in "owner's font,"  
>> "plain," but with some pieces in a specified font and other pieces  
>> in styles bold, link, etc.
>>
>> When I change the owner's font (in this case, the main stack's),  
>> the changes in the text on the cards' fields are inconsistent.
>>
>> In particular, every time there's a style change (into & out of  
>> bold for example, link, etc), a "font" tag gets inserted, hard- 
>> wiring whatever the owner's font *was* at the time the text was  
>> edited. So the next time the owner's font changes, it affects  
>> everything *up to* that style change, but after that the old font  
>> is wired in place.
>>
>> I"m editing the text in the Contents pane of the Inspector. Doing  
>> this in the Encoded Text Picker doesn't seem to help. It must be  
>> behavior in the Rev engine I suppse.
>>
>> I'm not able to think of a way not to call this a serious bug. Is  
>> there a workaround?? Am I missing something basic?
>>
>
>
> Best Regards from Paris,
>
> Eric Chatonet.


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From see3d at writeme.com  Fri Jul  8 11:47:17 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 11:47:17 -0400
Subject: Making Revolution faster using dimensioned arrays
In-Reply-To: <1120828183.42ce7b1754755@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
References: <1120828183.42ce7b1754755@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <BBA62F04-4A0E-41F9-86CA-35F3F8C8CB27@writeme.com>


On Jul 8, 2005, at 9:09 AM, Marielle Lange wrote:

> Dennis
>
> I would be interested to know if in you timing test, you also tried  
> using a
> variable rather than an array.
>
> repeat for x in (trows)
>  repeat for y in (tcolumns)
>     do something on (variable & "_" & x & "_" & y).
>  end repeat
> end repeat

Marielle,

The do operator would be very slow, as it has to compile the line,  
then execute it.

+ what if you store all rows in one array rowdata[1] and all columns  
in another
one columndata[1]. You then reduce the dimensionality and perhaps  
access time.

Yes, I have organized data both ways at times to get the best access  
method

I do try to limit the number of accesses as much as possible.   
Whenever possible I use the form:

repeat for each line theLine in textArray
   repeat for each item theItem in theLine
     process theItem
   end repeat
end repeat

which is about as fast as you can get, but many times I need to index  
into the data so I might use:

split textArray by return
repeat with i-2 to 1000 step 5
   put textArray[i] into itemArray
   split itemArray by comma
   repeat with j=2 to 1000 step 3
     process itemArray[j]
   end repeat
end repeat

I might also mix the two forms to get the most speed.
I try to make the most of what Rev has to offer today in how I  
organize my data.  However, that requires a lot more thought, and you  
have to understand what is fast and what is slow in Rev.  It is just  
not the case that you can solve the problem in the most straight  
forward way --if you care about how long it takes to get the answer.   
For simple things, it usually does not matter, but for complex  
applications, the speed is important.  The crazy thing is that with  
Rev, doing more complex applications is more practical for the  
amateur programmer, but the results are unsatisfactory due to the  
speed of execution.  There is no reason in my mind that precludes  
having both ease of use and reasonably fast speed for the speed  
critical portions of an application.

Dennis

From b.alleyne at btinternet.com  Fri Jul  8 12:24:10 2005
From: b.alleyne at btinternet.com (Brian Alleyne)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 17:24:10 +0100
Subject: How to get Serendipity DB?
Message-ID: <200507081724.10724.b.alleyne@btinternet.com>

Is there a working link where I can obtain the Serendipity DB? 

cheers,
Brian


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul  8 12:31:27 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 18:31:27 +0200
Subject: How to get Serendipity DB?
In-Reply-To: <200507081724.10724.b.alleyne@btinternet.com>
References: <200507081724.10724.b.alleyne@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <7BD060B7-5125-4CFD-AD22-843016357CC0@sosmartsoftware.com>

http://wecode.org/serendipity/

Le 8 juil. 05 ? 18:24, Brian Alleyne a ?crit :

> Is there a working link where I can obtain the Serendipity DB?

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jul  8 12:33:29 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 09:33:29 -0700
Subject: fonts & styles
In-Reply-To: <AC4BA14C-340B-4D32-BC3C-21357E36FE08@conncoll.edu>
References: <4485E2D1-E8D4-43C1-A9E8-18DB0653661B@conncoll.edu>	<7CBEC5B7-B26B-4E85-9CE9-A3CAC90F57B4@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<AC4BA14C-340B-4D32-BC3C-21357E36FE08@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <42CEAAD9.8030608@fourthworld.com>

Charles Hartman wrote:
> Let me put it another way. If I want all text in a field that doesn't  
> have a specified font to be in the owner's font -- isn't that the  whole 
> idea of inheritance? -- then why should that _font_ setup be  overridden 
> by a _style_ setting?

It was implemented that way many years ago (long before RunRev acquired 
the engine) as a workaround for other issues.  Style attributes should 
of course be independent of one another.

There's a Bugzilla request for this:
<http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=66>

As you can tell by its number it's been there a long time.  Fortunately 
RunRev is aware of this and it's my understanding it's on their radar; I 
don't know to what degree it's being actively worked on right now. 
Hopefully someone from RunRev will chime in here with a status report on 
this.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jul  8 12:50:22 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 09:50:22 -0700
Subject: recOnline Viewer
In-Reply-To: <2C92B86B-99F0-4B89-AC73-CB90C5FCF0A9@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <OF805570C3.6BC7DFFC-ONC1257038.00421002-C1257038.0042636A@deutsche-boerse
	.com> <a05210600bef42345129d@[192.168.80.101]>
	<F62DA23B-92FC-4F75-8CD3-8F0F7C94E334@major-k.de>
	<42CE7F16.9050905@sover.net>
	<2C92B86B-99F0-4B89-AC73-CB90C5FCF0A9@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <891005345.20050708095022@ahsoftware.net>

Eric-

Friday, July 8, 2005, 6:33:28 AM, you wrote:

EC> May I add that the prefs button at the top-right of the Rev Online
EC> window does not make sense?
EC> I thought for a long time it was only a "logo" :-)

!!! A prefs button !!! I never thought about clicking on it !!!

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From see3d at writeme.com  Fri Jul  8 13:12:09 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 13:12:09 -0400
Subject: Intersecting data question/challenge
Message-ID: <36A8CBE9-FBB8-4D5B-B2FA-A47B31C6D978@writeme.com>

Hello clever Rev programmers,

I have a simple question or maybe it is a simple challenge.

I have two lists of integers.  The list are not long, perhaps 5 to 50  
items e.g.:
list1="310,423,522,211,107,340,"
lis2="311,312,313,318,320,323,325,330,333,337,340,"

I want to find if any of the items in list1 have a match in list2.
I know I could do it with a repeat, something like this:

get false
repeat for each item theItem in list1
   if theItem is not among the items of list2 then next repeat
   get true
   exit repeat
end repeat

I was wondering if it could be done faster without a repeat through  
some Rev trick.

Dennis


From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Fri Jul  8 13:21:34 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 13:21:34 -0400
Subject: fonts & styles
In-Reply-To: <42CEAAD9.8030608@fourthworld.com>
References: <4485E2D1-E8D4-43C1-A9E8-18DB0653661B@conncoll.edu>	<7CBEC5B7-B26B-4E85-9CE9-A3CAC90F57B4@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<AC4BA14C-340B-4D32-BC3C-21357E36FE08@conncoll.edu>
	<42CEAAD9.8030608@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <E965B1F1-9153-40F0-8C97-7C8D10200DEC@conncoll.edu>

Bizarre. Well, so how _can_ I work around it?

All I want to do is set a textfont in the main stack (on open,  
depending on platform), and have all non-font-specified text adopt  
(inherit) that font, without losing my links and such. The  
inheritance gets killed when Rev -- gratuitously, as far as I can  
tell -- inserts a hard-wired font tag after any pair of style tags.  
Am I looking for some way, after opening the stack and possibly  
changing the default font, of searching through every card (?!) for  
extra font tags and deleting them? I'm not sure I see how to do that.

Charles Hartman


On Jul 8, 2005, at 12:33 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Charles Hartman wrote:
>
>> Let me put it another way. If I want all text in a field that  
>> doesn't  have a specified font to be in the owner's font -- isn't  
>> that the  whole idea of inheritance? -- then why should that  
>> _font_ setup be  overridden by a _style_ setting?
>>
>
> It was implemented that way many years ago (long before RunRev  
> acquired the engine) as a workaround for other issues.  Style  
> attributes should of course be independent of one another.
>
> There's a Bugzilla request for this:
> <http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=66>
>
> As you can tell by its number it's been there a long time.   
> Fortunately RunRev is aware of this and it's my understanding it's  
> on their radar; I don't know to what degree it's being actively  
> worked on right now. Hopefully someone from RunRev will chime in  
> here with a status report on this.
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal
>  _______________________________________________________
>  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com
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From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Fri Jul  8 13:21:34 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 13:21:34 -0400
Subject: fonts & styles
In-Reply-To: <42CEAAD9.8030608@fourthworld.com>
References: <4485E2D1-E8D4-43C1-A9E8-18DB0653661B@conncoll.edu>	<7CBEC5B7-B26B-4E85-9CE9-A3CAC90F57B4@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<AC4BA14C-340B-4D32-BC3C-21357E36FE08@conncoll.edu>
	<42CEAAD9.8030608@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <E965B1F1-9153-40F0-8C97-7C8D10200DEC@conncoll.edu>

Bizarre. Well, so how _can_ I work around it?

All I want to do is set a textfont in the main stack (on open,  
depending on platform), and have all non-font-specified text adopt  
(inherit) that font, without losing my links and such. The  
inheritance gets killed when Rev -- gratuitously, as far as I can  
tell -- inserts a hard-wired font tag after any pair of style tags.  
Am I looking for some way, after opening the stack and possibly  
changing the default font, of searching through every card (?!) for  
extra font tags and deleting them? I'm not sure I see how to do that.

Charles Hartman


On Jul 8, 2005, at 12:33 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Charles Hartman wrote:
>
>> Let me put it another way. If I want all text in a field that  
>> doesn't  have a specified font to be in the owner's font -- isn't  
>> that the  whole idea of inheritance? -- then why should that  
>> _font_ setup be  overridden by a _style_ setting?
>>
>
> It was implemented that way many years ago (long before RunRev  
> acquired the engine) as a workaround for other issues.  Style  
> attributes should of course be independent of one another.
>
> There's a Bugzilla request for this:
> <http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=66>
>
> As you can tell by its number it's been there a long time.   
> Fortunately RunRev is aware of this and it's my understanding it's  
> on their radar; I don't know to what degree it's being actively  
> worked on right now. Hopefully someone from RunRev will chime in  
> here with a status report on this.
>
> --
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul  8 13:41:50 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 19:41:50 +0200
Subject: Intersecting data question/challenge
In-Reply-To: <36A8CBE9-FBB8-4D5B-B2FA-A47B31C6D978@writeme.com>
References: <36A8CBE9-FBB8-4D5B-B2FA-A47B31C6D978@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <0CDAA53A-69C2-4D7E-899E-7EEFE9F3BE9F@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Dennis,

You astonished me!

Are you not the guy who is fascinated by arrays?
And, may be, by the intersect command?

Le 8 juil. 05 ? 19:12, Dennis Brown a ?crit :

> Hello clever Rev programmers,
>
> I have a simple question or maybe it is a simple challenge.
>
> I have two lists of integers.  The list are not long, perhaps 5 to  
> 50 items e.g.:
> list1="310,423,522,211,107,340,"
> lis2="311,312,313,318,320,323,325,330,333,337,340,"
>
> I want to find if any of the items in list1 have a match in list2.
> I know I could do it with a repeat, something like this:
>
> get false
> repeat for each item theItem in list1
>   if theItem is not among the items of list2 then next repeat
>   get true
>   exit repeat
> end repeat
>
> I was wondering if it could be done faster without a repeat through  
> some Rev trick.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From userev at canelasoftware.com  Fri Jul  8 13:49:33 2005
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 10:49:33 -0700
Subject: revDeleteFolder and Lessons Learned..
In-Reply-To: <ED7EE7FB-B5BA-4C03-9A93-98EDAA9CDCC0@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <42CDE82B.6060301@chipp.com>
	<ED7EE7FB-B5BA-4C03-9A93-98EDAA9CDCC0@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <0703D61C-0ADB-43E5-903F-BCA46FB9BC0A@canelasoftware.com>


On Jul 8, 2005, at 6:25 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> First, Chipp, I really feel for you in your sorrow.
> One day or another, we have all known that one second thing able to  
> cause havoc... and all the hours later to put the things right.


Virtual PC for both Macs and Windows is really useful for things like  
this.  It has an undo drive feature that protects you from mistakes  
like this.


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jul  8 13:51:35 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 10:51:35 -0700
Subject: documentation mini-bug
In-Reply-To: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>
Message-ID: <1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net>

Jon-

I assume you're filing bug reports on all these things.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jul  8 14:00:10 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 11:00:10 -0700
Subject: recOnline Viewer
In-Reply-To: <p06200701bef43f9570f1@[10\.0\.0\.4]>
References: <OF805570C3.6BC7DFFC-ONC1257038.00421002-C1257038.0042636A@deutsche-boerse
	.com> <a05210600bef42345129d@[192.168.80.101]>
	<F62DA23B-92FC-4F75-8CD3-8F0F7C94E334@major-k.de>
	<a05210602bef4288c4fdc@[192.168.80.101]>
	<40502DA9-F7BF-4A84-8A49-DA107636AC59@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<a05210600bef439de0ee1@[192.168.80.101]>
	<p06200701bef43f9570f1@[10.0.0.4]>
Message-ID: <1995193167.20050708110010@ahsoftware.net>

sims-

Friday, July 8, 2005, 7:37:55 AM, you wrote:

s> Can anyone point me to a preference for keeping it closed unless
s> I want to open it myself?

Interesting. That's the way it works for me.

I use the App Browser all the time, so it's convenient that it pops up
for me when I start rev. However, when I do close it and then shut
down the IDE it doesn't pop up the next time I launch rev.

Are you seeing something different?

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jul  8 14:03:24 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 11:03:24 -0700
Subject: recOnline Viewer
In-Reply-To: <a05210601bef442d429e4@[192\.168\.80\.101]>
References: <OF805570C3.6BC7DFFC-ONC1257038.00421002-C1257038.0042636A@deutsche-boerse
	.com> <a05210600bef42345129d@[192.168.80.101]>
	<F62DA23B-92FC-4F75-8CD3-8F0F7C94E334@major-k.de>
	<a05210602bef4288c4fdc@[192.168.80.101]>
	<40502DA9-F7BF-4A84-8A49-DA107636AC59@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<a05210600bef439de0ee1@[192.168.80.101]>
	<p06200701bef43f9570f1@[10.0.0.4]>
	<a05210601bef442d429e4@[192.168.80.101]>
Message-ID: <435387136.20050708110324@ahsoftware.net>

David-

Friday, July 8, 2005, 7:49:58 AM, you wrote:

DB> Well that's what I was suggesting, an "Open App Browser on Launch"
DB> Checkbox would do it. Or maybe "Open App Browser when Opening Stack"
DB> would be better.

The App Browser remembers the last setting. If you had it open, it
opens the next time. If you had it closed, it stays closed. What's the
problem? I suppose having a checkbox by the menuItem would be a good
visual indicator, but I see having Yet Another Preference Setting as
being redundant here.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Fri Jul  8 14:19:03 2005
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:19:03 +0200
Subject: recOnline Viewer
In-Reply-To: <1995193167.20050708110010@ahsoftware.net>
References: <OF805570C3.6BC7DFFC-ONC1257038.00421002-C1257038.0042636A@deutsche-boerse
	.com> <a05210600bef42345129d@[192.168.80.101]>
	<F62DA23B-92FC-4F75-8CD3-8F0F7C94E334@major-k.de>
	<a05210602bef4288c4fdc@[192.168.80.101]>
	<40502DA9-F7BF-4A84-8A49-DA107636AC59@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<a05210600bef439de0ee1@[192.168.80.101]>
	<p06200701bef43f9570f1@[10.0.0.4]>
	<1995193167.20050708110010@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <p06200705bef4730358d6@[10.0.0.4]>

At 11:00 AM -0700 7/8/05, Mark Wieder wrote:
>I use the App Browser all the time, so it's convenient that it pops up
>for me when I start rev. However, when I do close it and then shut
>down the IDE it doesn't pop up the next time I launch rev.
>
>Are you seeing something different?

When I "Close and Remove From Memory" the App Browser
pops up even if I hadn't opened it during that session.

I'd like to have the option for that not to happen...as I rarely use it.

ciao,
sims


From mdswindell at charter.net  Fri Jul  8 14:39:03 2005
From: mdswindell at charter.net (Mark Swindell)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 11:39:03 -0700
Subject: documentation mini-bug
In-Reply-To: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>
Message-ID: <10AFCEFA-C6B0-4687-BFF5-B55BB253140C@charter.net>

The "feature" I most like in the docs is the dialog that drops down  
over and over and over and over letting me know it can't find what I  
typed in but not letting me modify the search term or type in  
anything new.  Argh.

Mark

On Jul 8, 2005, at 6:38 AM, Jon wrote:

> When I open the Rev Documentation, almost every time, the currently  
> active button (Objects, Dictionary, etc) does not correspond to the  
> currently displayed content.
>
> I also have a feature request: while looking at the Dictionary, it  
> sure would be nice if I typed "OPE" and the list jumped to the  
> entries starting with "Open"...
>
> :)
>
> Jon



From jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr  Fri Jul  8 14:50:06 2005
From: jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 20:50:06 +0200
Subject: Intersecting data question/challenge
References: <36A8CBE9-FBB8-4D5B-B2FA-A47B31C6D978@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <42CECAD7.F22CD78@Club-Internet.fr>



Dennis,

Use arrays; Something like :

put "" into myT1
put "" into myT2
repeat for each item i in list1
    put 1 into myT1[i]
end repeat
repeat for each item i in list2
    put 1 into myT2[i]
end repeat

get the keys of myT1
repeat for each line j in it
    if myT2[j]=1 then
        get true
        exit repeat
    end if
end repeat

JB

> Hello clever Rev programmers,
>
> I have a simple question or maybe it is a simple challenge.
>
> I have two lists of integers.  The list are not long, perhaps 5 to 50
> items e.g.:
> list1="310,423,522,211,107,340,"
> lis2="311,312,313,318,320,323,325,330,333,337,340,"
>
> I want to find if any of the items in list1 have a match in list2.
> I know I could do it with a repeat, something like this:
>
> get false
> repeat for each item theItem in list1
>    if theItem is not among the items of list2 then next repeat
>    get true
>    exit repeat
> end repeat
>
> I was wondering if it could be done faster without a repeat through
> some Rev trick.
>
> Dennis
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From see3d at writeme.com  Fri Jul  8 14:50:40 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 14:50:40 -0400
Subject: Intersecting data question/challenge
In-Reply-To: <0CDAA53A-69C2-4D7E-899E-7EEFE9F3BE9F@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <36A8CBE9-FBB8-4D5B-B2FA-A47B31C6D978@writeme.com>
	<0CDAA53A-69C2-4D7E-899E-7EEFE9F3BE9F@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <5129290D-0E18-4AC2-9F18-C16445C4D68C@writeme.com>

Eric,

Yes, I looked at the intersect command, but it performs the action on  
the keys not the data from a list.  I would have to create an array  
element for each integer in the list with the integer as the key.   
Sounded like two loops that would run even slower than my example:

repeat for each item theItem in list1
   put empty into myArray1[theItem]
end repeat
repeat for each item theItem in list2
   put empty into myArray2[theItem]
end repeat
intersect myArray1 with myArray2
if the keys of myArray1 is empty then get false else get true

In actual practice, the above example runs 3 times slower than the  
below example for the sample data shown.

However, knowing that Rev had such a command for the keys, I thought  
perhaps someone knew of a more clever way to use it, or maybe there  
was another way to intersect data.

Dennis

On Jul 8, 2005, at 1:41 PM, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi Dennis,
>
> You astonished me!
>
> Are you not the guy who is fascinated by arrays?
> And, may be, by the intersect command?
>
> Le 8 juil. 05 ? 19:12, Dennis Brown a ?crit :
>
>
>> Hello clever Rev programmers,
>>
>> I have a simple question or maybe it is a simple challenge.
>>
>> I have two lists of integers.  The list are not long, perhaps 5 to  
>> 50 items e.g.:
>> list1="310,423,522,211,107,340,"
>> list2="311,312,313,318,320,323,325,330,333,337,340,"
>>
>> I want to find if any of the items in list1 have a match in list2.
>> I know I could do it with a repeat, something like this:
>>
>> get false
>> repeat for each item theItem in list1
>>   if theItem is not among the items of list2 then next repeat
>>   get true
>>   exit repeat
>> end repeat
>>
>> I was wondering if it could be done faster without a repeat  
>> through some Rev trick.
>>
>
> Best Regards from Paris,
>
> Eric Chatonet.
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul  8 15:11:13 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 21:11:13 +0200
Subject: documentation mini-bug
In-Reply-To: <10AFCEFA-C6B0-4687-BFF5-B55BB253140C@charter.net>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>
	<10AFCEFA-C6B0-4687-BFF5-B55BB253140C@charter.net>
Message-ID: <AB8867DB-3E21-4A72-8289-34E49187ABB5@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Mark,

This irritating behaviour has been fixed with Rev 2.6 (may be 2.5.1:  
I don't remember exactly).
Is it enough to upgrade?
:-)

Le 8 juil. 05 ? 20:39, Mark Swindell a ?crit :

> The "feature" I most like in the docs is the dialog that drops down  
> over and over and over and over letting me know it can't find what  
> I typed in but not letting me modify the search term or type in  
> anything new.  Argh.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul  8 15:13:53 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 21:13:53 +0200
Subject: Intersecting data question/challenge
In-Reply-To: <5129290D-0E18-4AC2-9F18-C16445C4D68C@writeme.com>
References: <36A8CBE9-FBB8-4D5B-B2FA-A47B31C6D978@writeme.com>
	<0CDAA53A-69C2-4D7E-899E-7EEFE9F3BE9F@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<5129290D-0E18-4AC2-9F18-C16445C4D68C@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <05E25F22-0DAE-47FF-89A9-B734BA359292@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hello Dennis,

You are right.
I was a little bit fast.
At least more than 2 repeat loops ;-)

Le 8 juil. 05 ? 20:50, Dennis Brown a ?crit :

> Yes, I looked at the intersect command, but it performs the action  
> on the keys not the data from a list.  I would have to create an  
> array element for each integer in the list with the integer as the  
> key.  Sounded like two loops that would run even slower than my  
> example:
>
> repeat for each item theItem in list1
>   put empty into myArray1[theItem]
> end repeat
> repeat for each item theItem in list2
>   put empty into myArray2[theItem]
> end repeat
> intersect myArray1 with myArray2
> if the keys of myArray1 is empty then get false else get true
>
> In actual practice, the above example runs 3 times slower than the  
> below example for the sample data shown.
>
> However, knowing that Rev had such a command for the keys, I  
> thought perhaps someone knew of a more clever way to use it, or  
> maybe there was another way to intersect data.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From see3d at writeme.com  Fri Jul  8 15:26:11 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 15:26:11 -0400
Subject: Intersecting data question/challenge
In-Reply-To: <42CECAD7.F22CD78@Club-Internet.fr>
References: <36A8CBE9-FBB8-4D5B-B2FA-A47B31C6D978@writeme.com>
	<42CECAD7.F22CD78@Club-Internet.fr>
Message-ID: <F7434B9F-BA05-49ED-AAF6-A0A0F7FA3B49@writeme.com>

JB,

It will work, but not a speed improvement.
It will run about 8 times slower than my original example.
It takes Rev a lot of work (time) to create an array element.

Dennis

On Jul 8, 2005, at 2:50 PM, jbv wrote:

>
>
> Dennis,
>
> Use arrays; Something like :
>
> put "" into myT1
> put "" into myT2
> repeat for each item i in list1
>     put 1 into myT1[i]
> end repeat
> repeat for each item i in list2
>     put 1 into myT2[i]
> end repeat
>
> get the keys of myT1
> repeat for each line j in it
>     if myT2[j]=1 then
>         get true
>         exit repeat
>     end if
> end repeat
>
> JB
>
>
>> Hello clever Rev programmers,
>>
>> I have a simple question or maybe it is a simple challenge.
>>
>> I have two lists of integers.  The list are not long, perhaps 5 to 50
>> items e.g.:
>> list1="310,423,522,211,107,340,"
>> lis2="311,312,313,318,320,323,325,330,333,337,340,"
>>
>> I want to find if any of the items in list1 have a match in list2.
>> I know I could do it with a repeat, something like this:
>>
>> get false
>> repeat for each item theItem in list1
>>    if theItem is not among the items of list2 then next repeat
>>    get true
>>    exit repeat
>> end repeat
>>
>> I was wondering if it could be done faster without a repeat through
>> some Rev trick.
>>
>> Dennis
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
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>
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From revlist at cableone.net  Fri Jul  8 15:29:15 2005
From: revlist at cableone.net (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 13:29:15 -0600
Subject: Intersecting data question/challenge
In-Reply-To: <5129290D-0E18-4AC2-9F18-C16445C4D68C@writeme.com>
References: <36A8CBE9-FBB8-4D5B-B2FA-A47B31C6D978@writeme.com>
	<0CDAA53A-69C2-4D7E-899E-7EEFE9F3BE9F@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<5129290D-0E18-4AC2-9F18-C16445C4D68C@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <8C29A74C-17AF-48B9-8AA9-4D5CCD372926@cableone.net>

Could you make use of the split command somehow?  You would have to  
format your lists a little differently, but if you did it right and  
specified a primary and secondary delimiter, you might be able to get  
quick results and still take advantage of the intersect command.   
Anyway, just another idea.

Chris Sheffield


On Jul 8, 2005, at 12:50 PM, Dennis Brown wrote:

> Eric,
>
> Yes, I looked at the intersect command, but it performs the action  
> on the keys not the data from a list.  I would have to create an  
> array element for each integer in the list with the integer as the  
> key.  Sounded like two loops that would run even slower than my  
> example:
>
> repeat for each item theItem in list1
>   put empty into myArray1[theItem]
> end repeat
> repeat for each item theItem in list2
>   put empty into myArray2[theItem]
> end repeat
> intersect myArray1 with myArray2
> if the keys of myArray1 is empty then get false else get true
>
> In actual practice, the above example runs 3 times slower than the  
> below example for the sample data shown.
>
> However, knowing that Rev had such a command for the keys, I  
> thought perhaps someone knew of a more clever way to use it, or  
> maybe there was another way to intersect data.
>
> Dennis

------------------------------------------
Chris Sheffield
Read Naturally
The Fluency Company
http://www.readnaturally.com
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From wsumner at im.wustl.edu  Fri Jul  8 15:33:38 2005
From: wsumner at im.wustl.edu (Walton Sumner)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 14:33:38 -0500
Subject: FW: European parliament rejects software patents
In-Reply-To: <42CEC545.40904@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <BEF43F42.30B7%wsumner@im.wustl.edu>

Here's a message I received from another mailing list. I'm curious what the
Revolution team's take is on this. I can not tell if the parliament's
proposal was to stop patenting software logic, or software products in
general (as some clearly desire), or if there is a difference, how you make
the distinction. 

Would this shackle or unshackle software giants? How do you think it affects
Rev's future? 

As a USA consumer intermittently relying on commercial European software
innovation (XMLSpy, Revolution), I'd be disappointed to see it end, or even
to see quality deteriorate.

--Walt Sumner


------- Forwarded Message
....

No software patents in Europe, FSFE requests EPO review instrument

*After years of struggle, the European Parliament finally rejected the
software patent directive with 648 of 680 votes: A strong signal against
patents on software logic, a sign of lost faith in the European Union
and a clear request for the European Patent Office (EPO) to change its
policy: the EPO must stop issuing software patents today

http://mail.fsfeurope.org/pipermail/press-release/2005q3/000109.html
_______________________________________________
os-wg mailing list
....

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From cford at sc.edu  Fri Jul  8 15:41:33 2005
From: cford at sc.edu (Curtis Ford)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:41:33 -0400
Subject: test, please ignore
Message-ID: <47e18497c0f1c755987070d6184dbf4b@sc.edu>

------



From gbojsza at gmail.com  Fri Jul  8 16:10:26 2005
From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 16:10:26 -0400
Subject: Send mouseUp to tab button?
Message-ID: <3d8af4150507081310146def8c@mail.gmail.com>

Is it possible to send a mouseUp to a particular tab on a tab button?

A work around for now is for me to set the menuhistory of the button
to the tab number I want and then to show / hide the appropriate
objects.

It would be cleaner just send to send a mouseUp but I can't figure out
how to select the tab I want?

thanks,


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul  8 16:14:57 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 22:14:57 +0200
Subject: Send mouseUp to tab button?
In-Reply-To: <3d8af4150507081310146def8c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3d8af4150507081310146def8c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E017EA11-FBB9-45C5-8E50-D9E64C6E383B@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Glen,

You got the better way to do what you want since setting the  
menuHistory sends a menuPick message to the tabbed button.
And, for tabbed buttons, menuPick is like a mouseUp at the right  
place :-)

Le 8 juil. 05 ? 22:10, Glen Bojsza a ?crit :

> Is it possible to send a mouseUp to a particular tab on a tab button?
>
> A work around for now is for me to set the menuhistory of the button
> to the tab number I want and then to show / hide the appropriate
> objects.
>
> It would be cleaner just send to send a mouseUp but I can't figure out
> how to select the tab I want?

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From bann at sunncomm.com  Fri Jul  8 16:19:38 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 13:19:38 -0700
Subject: How to make a audio player using Revolution
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E563@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>

I am new to Rev.  Could someone please help me how to create a audio
player? Thank you


From jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr  Fri Jul  8 16:27:36 2005
From: jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 22:27:36 +0200
Subject: Intersecting data question/challenge
References: <36A8CBE9-FBB8-4D5B-B2FA-A47B31C6D978@writeme.com>
	<42CECAD7.F22CD78@Club-Internet.fr>
	<F7434B9F-BA05-49ED-AAF6-A0A0F7FA3B49@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <42CEE1AE.C19A9651@Club-Internet.fr>



Dennis,

Using arrays will always be a speed improvement.

My script creates arrays from your lists of items with loops
just for the purpose of the demonstration. As someone else
suggested, you can use "split" to create your arrays, or better :
drop your lists of items and configure your data as arrays
from the beginning.

Just for the anecdote, I have a cgi script that makes extensive
use of arrays (and only arrays), and it builds 16 pages pdf
files of about 1.4 Mb in roughly 0.1 second, while the previous
version (using items lists) took 3 to 4 seconds...

JB

> JB,
>
> It will work, but not a speed improvement.
> It will run about 8 times slower than my original example.
> It takes Rev a lot of work (time) to create an array element.
>
> Dennis
>
> On Jul 8, 2005, at 2:50 PM, jbv wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Dennis,
> >
> > Use arrays; Something like :
> >
> > put "" into myT1
> > put "" into myT2
> > repeat for each item i in list1
> >     put 1 into myT1[i]
> > end repeat
> > repeat for each item i in list2
> >     put 1 into myT2[i]
> > end repeat
> >
> > get the keys of myT1
> > repeat for each line j in it
> >     if myT2[j]=1 then
> >         get true
> >         exit repeat
> >     end if
> > end repeat
> >
> > JB
> >
> >
> >> Hello clever Rev programmers,
> >>
> >> I have a simple question or maybe it is a simple challenge.
> >>
> >> I have two lists of integers.  The list are not long, perhaps 5 to 50
> >> items e.g.:
> >> list1="310,423,522,211,107,340,"
> >> lis2="311,312,313,318,320,323,325,330,333,337,340,"
> >>
> >> I want to find if any of the items in list1 have a match in list2.
> >> I know I could do it with a repeat, something like this:
> >>
> >> get false
> >> repeat for each item theItem in list1
> >>    if theItem is not among the items of list2 then next repeat
> >>    get true
> >>    exit repeat
> >> end repeat
> >>
> >> I was wondering if it could be done faster without a repeat through
> >> some Rev trick.
> >>
> >> Dennis
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-revolution mailing list
> >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >
>
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> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From revlist at cableone.net  Fri Jul  8 16:30:14 2005
From: revlist at cableone.net (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:30:14 -0600
Subject: Send mouseUp to tab button?
In-Reply-To: <3d8af4150507081310146def8c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3d8af4150507081310146def8c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D2DA226A-7FA1-402C-9A90-65C719A0EACE@cableone.net>

Hi Glen,

Check out the menuPick message.  If you set the menuHistory of your  
tab button, a menuPick message will get sent to it, and you'll be  
able to determine the tab you set and hide/show controls as necessary,

HTH,
Chris


On Jul 8, 2005, at 2:10 PM, Glen Bojsza wrote:

> Is it possible to send a mouseUp to a particular tab on a tab button?
>
> A work around for now is for me to set the menuhistory of the button
> to the tab number I want and then to show / hide the appropriate
> objects.
>
> It would be cleaner just send to send a mouseUp but I can't figure out
> how to select the tab I want?
>
> thanks,
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>

------------------------------------------
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The Fluency Company
http://www.readnaturally.com
------------------------------------------




From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Jul  8 16:33:02 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 21:33:02 +0100
Subject: Intersecting data question/challenge
In-Reply-To: <36A8CBE9-FBB8-4D5B-B2FA-A47B31C6D978@writeme.com>
References: <36A8CBE9-FBB8-4D5B-B2FA-A47B31C6D978@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <42CEE2FE.6060008@tweedly.net>

Dennis Brown wrote:

> Hello clever Rev programmers,
>
> I have a simple question or maybe it is a simple challenge.
>
> I have two lists of integers.  The list are not long, perhaps 5 to 50  
> items e.g.:
> list1="310,423,522,211,107,340,"
> lis2="311,312,313,318,320,323,325,330,333,337,340,"
>
Are the items in each list known to be unique or not ?
i.e. could I have   list1 = "310,423,310" ?

> I want to find if any of the items in list1 have a match in list2.
> I know I could do it with a repeat, something like this:
>
> get false
> repeat for each item theItem in list1
>   if theItem is not among the items of list2 then next repeat
>   get true
>   exit repeat
> end repeat
>
> I was wondering if it could be done faster without a repeat through  
> some Rev trick.
>
For data samples that small, I doubt if there will be anything faster.

For data large enough to overcome the cost of some set-up time (say 
upwards of 20,000 items in each set), you might get faster with either 
an array/intersect based scheme, or simply by sorting and stepwise 
comparing each one. The array method is especially appealing if there 
can be repeated entries.

For *large* data sets, you might  be best with binary-search comparing 
of sorted lists - especially if you can arrange things such that the 
lists are sorted ahead of time.

And for 5 to 50 items - who cares : the simple solution doesn't take 
long enough to warrant any time spent optimizing it :-)

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From cford at sc.edu  Fri Jul  8 16:35:32 2005
From: cford at sc.edu (Curtis Ford)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 16:35:32 -0400
Subject: mixed languages in a field? HTMLText problems
Message-ID: <f8dc12e298f4a2837896e6b401682657@sc.edu>

As a newbie I'm getting gray hairs trying to build a scrolling text 
field that will display both English and Russian. (The code already 
works well for English & other languages in the Latin alphabet, 
including accents, umlauts, etc.). Simplifying a little, I have:

repeat with i = 1 to gHowManyItems

	[some code to get the first item]
	put [first item] after gWordList
	[more code for 2nd item]
	put tab & [2nd item] after gWordList
	[some code to get the 3rd item]
	put return & [3rd item] after gWordList
	[some code to get the 4th item]
	put tab & [4th item] after gWordList

end repeat

set the HTMLText of field "list field" to gWordList


When the first item is in Russian it shows up fine, but the following 
English word displays as Chinese characters.

When experimenting, I tried adding
   put "test some English at beginning" && return before gWordList
   put return & "test some English at end" after gWordList

..after building the list but before setting the HTMLText of the field.

The English text added before gWordList displayed fine; the Russian 
elements in gWordList  displayed fine; but the English text added after 
gWordList was gibberish. It seems that once an element in Russian has 
been added, it doesn't want to go back to an encoding that works with 
English - ?

I've been able to copy mixed-language text from one field to another 
when I'd entered the text in Revolution (using HTMLText), but when I 
try to create something that fills fields dynamically from variables, I 
can't get it to work right.

Is there something that prevents mixing languages in a field? Am I 
missing something obvious? Are there any sample files out there that 
demonstrate using different languages in a field using HTMLText?

Thanks for any suggestions!

-Curt

Dr. Curtis Ford
Instructor of Russian and Linguistics
Dept. of Language, Literatures and Cultures
University of South Carolina
cford @ sc.edu


From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Jul  8 16:38:37 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 21:38:37 +0100
Subject: Intersecting data question/challenge
In-Reply-To: <8C29A74C-17AF-48B9-8AA9-4D5CCD372926@cableone.net>
References: <36A8CBE9-FBB8-4D5B-B2FA-A47B31C6D978@writeme.com>	<0CDAA53A-69C2-4D7E-899E-7EEFE9F3BE9F@sosmartsoftware.com>	<5129290D-0E18-4AC2-9F18-C16445C4D68C@writeme.com>
	<8C29A74C-17AF-48B9-8AA9-4D5CCD372926@cableone.net>
Message-ID: <42CEE44D.2020304@tweedly.net>

Chris Sheffield wrote:

> Could you make use of the split command somehow?  You would have to  
> format your lists a little differently, but if you did it right and  
> specified a primary and secondary delimiter, you might be able to get  
> quick results and still take advantage of the intersect command.   
> Anyway, just another idea.
>
I tried that out; it's very similar in timing to the other array method 
(that includes the time to reformat the arrays into something that can 
be "split" as you need it - if the wider context could be changed, that 
could change).

JB said:

> put "" into myT1
> put "" into myT2
> repeat for each item i in list1
>     put 1 into myT1[i]
> end repeat
> repeat for each item i in list2
>     put 1 into myT2[i]
> end repeat
>
> get the keys of myT1
> repeat for each line j in it
>     if myT2[j]=1 then
>         get true
>         exit repeat
>     end if
> end repeat

If all you do with myT1 is take the keys of it, you don't need to create 
that array - you can put list2 into an array (either element by element, 
or using split), and the do a (fast)   repeat for each item of list1

Might be worth it if list2 is large enough ...


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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jul  8 16:46:46 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 13:46:46 -0700
Subject: recOnline Viewer
In-Reply-To: <p06200705bef4730358d6@[10\.0\.0\.4]>
References: <OF805570C3.6BC7DFFC-ONC1257038.00421002-C1257038.0042636A@deutsche-boerse
	.com> <a05210600bef42345129d@[192.168.80.101]>
	<F62DA23B-92FC-4F75-8CD3-8F0F7C94E334@major-k.de>
	<a05210602bef4288c4fdc@[192.168.80.101]>
	<40502DA9-F7BF-4A84-8A49-DA107636AC59@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<a05210600bef439de0ee1@[192.168.80.101]>
	<p06200701bef43f9570f1@[10.0.0.4]>
	<1995193167.20050708110010@ahsoftware.net>
	<p06200705bef4730358d6@[10.0.0.4]>
Message-ID: <5715189381.20050708134646@ahsoftware.net>

sims-

Friday, July 8, 2005, 11:19:03 AM, you wrote:

s> When I "Close and Remove From Memory" the App Browser
s> pops up even if I hadn't opened it during that session.

s> I'd like to have the option for that not to happen...as I rarely use it.

Ah - got it. That's a different issue from what I was thinking of.

Just curious, though - don't you have a hard time selecting invisible
or off-screen objects without it? Seems rather like trying to pilot a
plane without instruments to me. It's a handy way for me to know what
stacks *are* in memory, so I can close them before running into the
dreaded error message about a stack by that name already existing.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul  8 16:50:39 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 22:50:39 +0200
Subject: mixed languages in a field? HTMLText problems
In-Reply-To: <f8dc12e298f4a2837896e6b401682657@sc.edu>
References: <f8dc12e298f4a2837896e6b401682657@sc.edu>
Message-ID: <F6370EAB-DED0-4B4C-852F-F5C61637879E@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Curt,

Before struggling with unicode, you have to build right html first:
You set the htmlText of your field to a string which is not html but  
in fact usual text.
For instance, tab in html is "&#9;" and "tab" in html is only a text  
string...
In order to understand how translation can be made between html and  
usual text, you might be interested by downloading my Encoded Text  
Picker free plugin from my web-site (address below).
It will allow you to translate any text from and to html  
automatically and then understand how to build your code properly :-)
Take heart!

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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Le 8 juil. 05 ? 22:35, Curtis Ford a ?crit :

> As a newbie I'm getting gray hairs trying to build a scrolling text  
> field that will display both English and Russian. (The code already  
> works well for English & other languages in the Latin alphabet,  
> including accents, umlauts, etc.). Simplifying a little, I have:
>
> repeat with i = 1 to gHowManyItems
>
>     [some code to get the first item]
>     put [first item] after gWordList
>     [more code for 2nd item]
>     put tab & [2nd item] after gWordList
>     [some code to get the 3rd item]
>     put return & [3rd item] after gWordList
>     [some code to get the 4th item]
>     put tab & [4th item] after gWordList
>
> end repeat
>
> set the HTMLText of field "list field" to gWordList
>
>
> When the first item is in Russian it shows up fine, but the  
> following English word displays as Chinese characters.
>
> When experimenting, I tried adding
>   put "test some English at beginning" && return before gWordList
>   put return & "test some English at end" after gWordList
>
> ..after building the list but before setting the HTMLText of the  
> field.
>
> The English text added before gWordList displayed fine; the Russian  
> elements in gWordList  displayed fine; but the English text added  
> after gWordList was gibberish. It seems that once an element in  
> Russian has been added, it doesn't want to go back to an encoding  
> that works with English - ?
>
> I've been able to copy mixed-language text from one field to  
> another when I'd entered the text in Revolution (using HTMLText),  
> but when I try to create something that fills fields dynamically  
> from variables, I can't get it to work right.
>
> Is there something that prevents mixing languages in a field? Am I  
> missing something obvious? Are there any sample files out there  
> that demonstrate using different languages in a field using HTMLText?
>
> Thanks for any suggestions!


From europe at ehug.info  Fri Jul  8 16:57:22 2005
From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 22:57:22 +0200
Subject: FW: European parliament rejects software patents
In-Reply-To: <BEF43F42.30B7%wsumner@im.wustl.edu>
References: <BEF43F42.30B7%wsumner@im.wustl.edu>
Message-ID: <42CEE8B2.8060204@ehug.info>

Walton,

The question the EP had to deal with was: are we going to 
replace the current set of agreements on national copyrights by 
a more clearly formulated European Direction on national 
copyrights? Apparently, it has been decided to keep everything 
as it is, for now.

In the US, software is considered a "technology". This means 
that it can be patented. In Europe, only intellectual property 
such as algorithms and file formats can be patented, because 
they are considered technology. Everything else is considered 
the result of an author's work, using the available technology.

In Europe, everything a software developer makes is copyrighted, 
immediately. As long as you keep working on it, it stays your 
piece of art. Only if you stop working on it, you may loose your 
copyrights in about 5 years. If you are not sure that you will 
update your software product regularly, you may want to register 
it. If you register it, you get official copyrights, protected 
by law, rather than a patent.

Losing your copyright does not necessarily mean that people can 
use it freely. It only means that it is not protected by law. If 
you don't register your product within 5 years, people using 
your product may not recognize your authorship. You are still 
the author, however, and you can always take up your own work 
and exploit it.

*All claims in the quoted message are completely wrong and I 
consider the message a hoax. There isn't even a "European Patent 
Office"!*

If the EP had passed the Direction on software patents, 
everything could have been patented. Every single button that 
you use would represent a concept, which could be patented by 
the inventors of this concept. Windows, scroll bars, arrays, 
sockets, list fields... everything would have become patentable 
and you would have to pay for it.

This was not the purpose of this Direction, but the result of a 
mere flaw in the formulation of the Direction. If the 
formulation is changed during the next few years, we may get a 
good and clear Direction. The main advantage of this is that 
both European and American developers understand what they may 
have to do to protect their work. The Direction that may pass EP 
next time, will probably not allow for patenting every single 
concept used in an interface.

I think the EP made a wise decision (as expected, in this case). 
Additionally, this decision is much more a sign of faith in 
current EU institutions than a sign of lost faith in the EU as a 
whole.

I don't expect the Revolution team to have a "take" on this. 
Nothing will change, all copyrights Runtime Revolution holds are 
well-protected, as are yours and mine. Only if the EP had passed 
the guideline, I would have started worrying.

For more information, read the Editor notes on this website:
<http://www.patent.gov.uk/media/pressrelease/2005/0607a.htm>

Best regards,

Mark


Walton Sumner wrote:
> Here's a message I received from another mailing list. I'm curious what the
> Revolution team's take is on this. I can not tell if the parliament's
> proposal was to stop patenting software logic, or software products in
> general (as some clearly desire), or if there is a difference, how you make
> the distinction. 
> 
> Would this shackle or unshackle software giants? How do you think it affects
> Rev's future? 
> 
> As a USA consumer intermittently relying on commercial European software
> innovation (XMLSpy, Revolution), I'd be disappointed to see it end, or even
> to see quality deteriorate.
> 
> --Walt Sumner
> 
> 
> ------- Forwarded Message
> ....
> 
> No software patents in Europe, FSFE requests EPO review instrument
> 
> *After years of struggle, the European Parliament finally rejected the
> software patent directive with 648 of 680 votes: A strong signal against
> patents on software logic, a sign of lost faith in the European Union
> and a clear request for the European Patent Office (EPO) to change its
> policy: the EPO must stop issuing software patents today
> 
> http://mail.fsfeurope.org/pipermail/press-release/2005q3/000109.html
> _______________________________________________
> os-wg mailing list
> ....
> 
> ------ End of Forwarded Message

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From see3d at writeme.com  Fri Jul  8 17:06:46 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 17:06:46 -0400
Subject: Intersecting data question/challenge
In-Reply-To: <42CEE1AE.C19A9651@Club-Internet.fr>
References: <36A8CBE9-FBB8-4D5B-B2FA-A47B31C6D978@writeme.com>
	<42CECAD7.F22CD78@Club-Internet.fr>
	<F7434B9F-BA05-49ED-AAF6-A0A0F7FA3B49@writeme.com>
	<42CEE1AE.C19A9651@Club-Internet.fr>
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JB,

You are right in that if I already had the lists setup as keys in an  
array it could run faster.  In that case your example below with a  
repeat loop runs about the same speed as my original example with a  
repeat loop.  However, using the intersect command instead of a  
repeat loop would run 4-8 times as fast as either loop version and is  
fast enough to use for my intended purpose as a direct test to see  
which blocks of code to execute inside a large loop.

Unfortunately, an array is not an easy thing to use as a constant to  
check against.  I would have to pre-build all my arrays beforehand.   
If I have to do that, I might just as well build an execution test  
matrix using the simple lists as parameters.  I just wanted to avoid  
one more level of indirection for the sake of speed (I have so many  
already).  However, I think I understand some new tricks now with  
your help and from Eric, Alex, and Chris.

Thanks,
Dennis

On Jul 8, 2005, at 4:27 PM, jbv wrote:

>
>
> Dennis,
>
> Using arrays will always be a speed improvement.
>
> My script creates arrays from your lists of items with loops
> just for the purpose of the demonstration. As someone else
> suggested, you can use "split" to create your arrays, or better :
> drop your lists of items and configure your data as arrays
> from the beginning.
>
> Just for the anecdote, I have a cgi script that makes extensive
> use of arrays (and only arrays), and it builds 16 pages pdf
> files of about 1.4 Mb in roughly 0.1 second, while the previous
> version (using items lists) took 3 to 4 seconds...
>
> JB
>
>
>> JB,
>>
>> It will work, but not a speed improvement.
>> It will run about 8 times slower than my original example.
>> It takes Rev a lot of work (time) to create an array element.
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>> On Jul 8, 2005, at 2:50 PM, jbv wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dennis,
>>>
>>> Use arrays; Something like :
>>>
>>> put "" into myT1
>>> put "" into myT2
>>> repeat for each item i in list1
>>>     put 1 into myT1[i]
>>> end repeat
>>> repeat for each item i in list2
>>>     put 1 into myT2[i]
>>> end repeat
>>>
>>> get the keys of myT1
>>> repeat for each line j in it
>>>     if myT2[j]=1 then
>>>         get true
>>>         exit repeat
>>>     end if
>>> end repeat
>>>
>>> JB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello clever Rev programmers,
>>>>
>>>> I have a simple question or maybe it is a simple challenge.
>>>>
>>>> I have two lists of integers.  The list are not long, perhaps 5  
>>>> to 50
>>>> items e.g.:
>>>> list1="310,423,522,211,107,340,"
>>>> lis2="311,312,313,318,320,323,325,330,333,337,340,"
>>>>
>>>> I want to find if any of the items in list1 have a match in list2.
>>>> I know I could do it with a repeat, something like this:
>>>>
>>>> get false
>>>> repeat for each item theItem in list1
>>>>    if theItem is not among the items of list2 then next repeat
>>>>    get true
>>>>    exit repeat
>>>> end repeat
>>>>
>>>> I was wondering if it could be done faster without a repeat through
>>>> some Rev trick.
>>>>
>>>> Dennis
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From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Fri Jul  8 17:11:10 2005
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:11:10 -0700
Subject: mark cards by finding -- new insights
In-Reply-To: <42CDE798.2080107@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <p06200703bef387f0a257@[10.0.1.2]>
	<42CDE798.2080107@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <p06200701bef49154d5ab@[10.0.1.2]>

>On 7/7/05 8:34 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:
>
>>>I just checked out the possibility that somehow the script 
>>>inserted an invisible character into the variable. The number of 
>>>characters in the variable patientName is as it should be.
>
>Hm. So the text is okay. You could try setting a breakpoint in the 
>handler and walking through it in the debugger to make sure the 
>command is actually executing. That's about all I can think of. 
>(Although if you've already tried the command from the message box, 
>you already know it executed.) If it works in other stacks but not 
>in this one, then there has to be something different about this 
>stack.
>


Hi Jacque, and Marty,

Thank you for your continuing interest in this relatively small "issue."

(Issue is a Klingon word that means "problem." The Klingon term is 
widely employed in Silicon Valley.)

I have investigated further. Your comments are good ones of course, 
though I must admit I had considered those items already.

I actually discovered something interesting. I previously wrote:

*********************

Different stack:

>Unmark all cards
>lock messages
>mark cards by finding "Jones, Bob" in bg field  "daily7"
>answer the number of marked cards

Three marked cards.

Same stack:

>put "Jones, Bob" into theVar
>unmark all cards
>lock messages
>mark cards by finding theVar in bg field  "daily7"
>answer the number of marked cards

Three marked cards, again.

I'm pretty sure three is the correct number of hits.

******************


The next step was to try the same thing in the problematic stack. I 
tried that last night. Here's how it went. In the multi-line message 
box, I entered:


>put "Jones, Bob" into theVar
>unmark all cards
>lock messages
>mark cards by finding theVar in field "patient name"
>answer the number of marked cards

The correct number of hits would be 1. The number of marked cards 
came back as 0. I tried it repeatedly, and it failed repeatedly. 
Recall that this same script, in the message box, worked fine in a 
different stack.

When I tried

>put "Jones, Bob" into theVar
>unmark all cards
>lock messages
>mark cards by finding string theVar in field "patient name"
>answer the number of marked cards

The number of marked cards was correct -- 1 card.

The following script, also typed into the msg box, also worked fine:

>put "Jones, Bob" into theVar
>unmark all cards
>lock messages
>find theVar in field "patient name"


Following the deductive chain, I concluded that the original script 
was not the problem, nor was the spelling of the contents of the 
variable, nor the contents of the field.

Just to be sure, I went back to the problem script, got the charToNum 
of each character in the variable and compared it with the charToNum 
of each character in the field. They were identical.

It seemed like the problem must either be a bug, or some property of 
the problem stack, the group (with "behave like a background" turned 
on), or the field.

The problem stack didn't seem to have any unusual properties. Neither 
did the group or the field. "Ignore find command" was not checked in 
any of these objects.

I don't understand all the basic field properties, but I messed 
around with turning "focusable" "lock text" and "auto hilite text" on 
or off. I was doing it somewhat haphazardly, not expecting much to 
happen. At some point, 'mark cards by finding thevar in..." started 
working. I knew I hadn't changed the script, because it remained 
typed in the msg box, unchanged.

I saved and closed the stack, re-opened it. 'mark cards by finding 
theVar in...' stopped working again. This time, messing around with 
the field properties didn't get it working again. I tried all the 
combinations of "on" and "off" I had tried before. I didn't change 
the field properties before or after saving, closing and re-opening 
the stack.

This morning, I tried again. Once again, 'mark cards by finding 
theVar...' didn't work. Zero hits. This time, I remembered the field 
had a script in it. One "on closefield" handler and one "on mouseUp" 
handler. I didn't think these would make a difference because 
messages were locked. Nevertheless, I temporarily commented these 
out. 'Mark cards by finding thevar...' started working correctly.

However, when I un-commented the handlers, the 'mark cards by 
finding...' script continued to work. I saved and closed the stack, 
re-opened it, and the command continued to work. This time, I hadn't 
changed any field properties.

It's hard to avoid the conclusion that this is an intermittent bug 
that is influenced by some combination of field properties and/or 
field scripts and/or the placement of the field in a group, and/or 
group properties, and/or turning on "behave like a background" in the 
group properties. It might be specific to OS X, and it might be 
influenced by the HCaddressing property, which is turned on in my 
case. I'm not thrilled by the prospect of trying to isolate the 
problem any further. The number of possibilities is too large. I 
think I won't.

Gosh, that even bored me! I'm not sure this is of any interest to 
anyone. Maybe somehow, somewhere, it might be mildly useful to 
someone. Hope so.

If it happened to me, it will probably happen to others, at least 
occasionally. I'm not going to submit it to bugzilla, because novices 
shouldn't do that. Someone more qualified might want to submit it on 
my behalf, if he/she is convinced that it's been investigated 
adequately.

'Mark cards by finding string theVar...' seems to work consistently 
and it suits my needs, so I'll stick with that.



Cheers,


Tim


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul  8 17:26:21 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 23:26:21 +0200
Subject: mark cards by finding -- new insights
In-Reply-To: <p06200701bef49154d5ab@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <p06200703bef387f0a257@[10.0.1.2]>
	<42CDE798.2080107@hyperactivesw.com>
	<p06200701bef49154d5ab@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <09F10C96-3D38-440B-9E1D-9FBEF88C982B@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Timothy,

Le 8 juil. 05 ? 23:11, Timothy Miller a ?crit :

> I'm not thrilled by the prospect of trying to isolate the problem

But it's the only way to solve the issue.
I can't tell you how many times I have created a *new* stack with  
*new* objects and the portion of code which made problems in another  
stack.
I can't tell you how many times I have found by this way that the  
problem was elsewhere :-)

Best Regards from Paris,

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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul  8 17:42:16 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 23:42:16 +0200
Subject: How to make a audio player using Revolution
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E563@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E563@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <B2C2253C-AFE8-4388-8630-97EF6837E44E@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Ban,

Welcome to this list.

Your question seems simple :-)
In fact it depends on many factors the first one of which is to know  
if QuickTime is installed or not.
This will decide on which file types you will able to play from the  
most common AIFF, WAV to AAC or mp3.
Then you will decide if you want the files stored in your stack or  
stay as files on your hard-disk.
Then, you will want to be able to set the loudness, to start playing,  
etc.
It's a whole world!

As for coding, you will use a player object the filename of which  
will be set to a sound file on your hard disk or the play command id  
the sound is stored in your stack.

To get started, you could check the following in the Docs dictionary:

play command
player keyword
currentTime property
playLoudness property
playRate property
playStopped message
sound function
start command
stop command

Le 8 juil. 05 ? 22:19, Ban Nguyen a ?crit :

> I am new to Rev.  Could someone please help me how to create a audio
> player? Thank you

Best Regards from Paris,

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From revdan at danshafer.com  Fri Jul  8 17:48:03 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:48:03 -0700
Subject: [OT] Re: European parliament rejects software patents
In-Reply-To: <42CEE8B2.8060204@ehug.info>
References: <BEF43F42.30B7%wsumner@im.wustl.edu> <42CEE8B2.8060204@ehug.info>
Message-ID: <2D6D7049-1A1F-44EE-B659-1EA6766F1FA3@danshafer.com>

This opens a very real can of worms and probably isn't a conversation  
we should have here. Having acknowledged that, let me add my two cents.

First, my background. I have a law degree. I specialized in  
intellectual property law. I've written, prosecuted and defended  
several software patents without taking the Bar exam. I've decided  
not to become a practicing attorney.

<rave>
Second, I have become unalterably opposed to software patents.  
Copyright provides adequate protection for what programmers do for  
the most part. A unique algorithm (process) should be eligible for  
patent protection, but nothing else. I have NEVER seen a software  
patent application that didn't fail -- in my mind and with my  
background in programming -- the test of non-obviousness that is at  
the heart of patent protection in the U.S. The U.S. Patent &  
Trademark Office (PTO) has for years taken the position that it will  
largely grant all but the most outlandish software patent  
applications and let the courts sort things out. But at the end of it  
all, I just see patent as the wrong way to protect software  
innovation. It hurts everyone and helps nobody.
</rave>

Dan



From bann at sunncomm.com  Fri Jul  8 17:59:58 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:59:58 -0700
Subject: Making an audio player.......
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760967@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>

Hello

I am a new user of revolution and learning it...

Does anyone have any example how to create an audio player?  I have 5
.wav files.  I want to make a list so user can click on any song to
play. Basically an audio player that also can rew, forward, stop, pause
and a status bar.

Thank you very much for your help










From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Fri Jul  8 18:05:12 2005
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:05:12 -0700
Subject: mark cards by finding -- new insights
In-Reply-To: <09F10C96-3D38-440B-9E1D-9FBEF88C982B@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <p06200703bef387f0a257@[10.0.1.2]>
	<42CDE798.2080107@hyperactivesw.com>	<p06200701bef49154d5ab@[10.0.1.2]>
	<09F10C96-3D38-440B-9E1D-9FBEF88C982B@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <p06200703bef4a47d5357@[10.0.1.2]>

>Hi Timothy,
>
>Le 8 juil. 05 ? 23:11, Timothy Miller a ?crit :
>
>>I'm not thrilled by the prospect of trying to isolate the problem
>
>But it's the only way to solve the issue.
>I can't tell you how many times I have created a 
>*new* stack with *new* objects and the portion 
>of code which made problems in another stack.
>I can't tell you how many times I have found by 
>this way that the problem was elsewhere :-)
>
>Best Regards from Paris,
>
>Eric Chatonet.


I am sympathetic, Eric. If it's me and not Rev, I 
want to know it. If it's a Rev bug, I'm now a Rev 
loyalist, so I want Rev to know it, and if they 
don't have the resources to isolate it, I'm 
willing to help, up to a point.

It would help if I could get the damned debugger 
to work. Could you toss me a clue? It sure 
doesn't act like the hyperCard debugger.

It works fine on, for example, a simple mouseUp 
script in a simple button. However, if the button 
sends a message to a handler in a stack script 
(for instance), which then sends another message 
to another handler, nested or not, the debugger 
won't follow along. "Script debug mode" is 
definitely turned on. Step Into, etc., are absent 
and/or dimmed out, typically. Sometimes, I can 
see the script window open, several windows back, 
but I can't get to it until the script is done 
executing. I've tried setting multiple 
breakpoints in each handler, tried setting 
breakpoints by script. The script rolls right 
past them.

The instructions say, "The breakpoint command has 
no effect unless the stack is running in the 
Revolution development environment." I'm using 
DreamCard. Does DreamCard count as the 
"revolution development environment?"

Once again, I tried to read the instructions but 
they did not tell me what I need to know. I 
consulted Dan's book, too. Most of it seems 
intended for a less experienced user. Yet I am 
more or less a novice myself.

If I must continually discover how Rev works by 
trial and error, because of inadequate 
documentation, 10,000 silent Rev users are 
silently giving up. Rev doesn't need that. For 
heaven's sake! It's advertised as a product that 
is easy for people like me to use. It isn't. It's 
hard.

It would be easy for me to use IF the 
documentation would give me a concise explanation 
of some item when I needed concise, and a 
detailed explanation when I needed detailed, 
abundant examples when I needed them, and so on. 
I hope that comes along pretty soon.


Best regards from California's Big Central Valley,


Tim

From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul  8 18:11:59 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 00:11:59 +0200
Subject: mark cards by finding -- new insights
In-Reply-To: <p06200703bef4a47d5357@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <p06200703bef387f0a257@[10.0.1.2]>
	<42CDE798.2080107@hyperactivesw.com>	<p06200701bef49154d5ab@[10.0.1.2]>
	<09F10C96-3D38-440B-9E1D-9FBEF88C982B@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<p06200703bef4a47d5357@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <9EC0049F-3B47-4318-A613-2350D8460610@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Tim,

First, DreamCard or Revolution: some features are different but it's  
the same IDE.
As for the debugger, it's right that it needs to be debugged :-(
I think that Runrev guys are working on it because you are right: a  
fabulous language without a reliable debugger is no worth.
Above all for beginners.

Le 9 juil. 05 ? 00:05, Timothy Miller a ?crit :

> It works fine on, for example, a simple mouseUp script in a simple  
> button. However, if the button sends a message to a handler in a  
> stack script (for instance), which then sends another message to  
> another handler, nested or not, the debugger won't follow along.  
> "Script debug mode" is definitely turned on. Step Into, etc., are  
> absent and/or dimmed out, typically. Sometimes, I can see the  
> script window open, several windows back, but I can't get to it  
> until the script is done executing. I've tried setting multiple  
> breakpoints in each handler, tried setting breakpoints by script.  
> The script rolls right past them.
>
> The instructions say, "The breakpoint command has no effect unless  
> the stack is running in the Revolution development environment."  
> I'm using DreamCard. Does DreamCard count as the "revolution  
> development environment?"

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From bann at sunncomm.com  Fri Jul  8 18:12:32 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:12:32 -0700
Subject: How to make a audio player using Revolution
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E565@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>

Thank Eric

I have 5 .wav file

First I need to creat an array?
Could you give me some example how to code this.  I want user can click to play, pause, stop, rev or forward.  How do I code this?  Thank you for your help







-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Eric Chatonet
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 2:42 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: How to make a audio player using Revolution

Hi Ban,

Welcome to this list.

Your question seems simple :-)
In fact it depends on many factors the first one of which is to know  
if QuickTime is installed or not.
This will decide on which file types you will able to play from the  
most common AIFF, WAV to AAC or mp3.
Then you will decide if you want the files stored in your stack or  
stay as files on your hard-disk.
Then, you will want to be able to set the loudness, to start playing,  
etc.
It's a whole world!

As for coding, you will use a player object the filename of which  
will be set to a sound file on your hard disk or the play command id  
the sound is stored in your stack.

To get started, you could check the following in the Docs dictionary:

play command
player keyword
currentTime property
playLoudness property
playRate property
playStopped message
sound function
start command
stop command

Le 8 juil. 05 ? 22:19, Ban Nguyen a ?crit :

> I am new to Rev.  Could someone please help me how to create a audio
> player? Thank you

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul  8 18:17:10 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 00:17:10 +0200
Subject: European parliament rejects software patents
In-Reply-To: <42CEE8B2.8060204@ehug.info>
References: <BEF43F42.30B7%wsumner@im.wustl.edu> <42CEE8B2.8060204@ehug.info>
Message-ID: <92FCB2CB-B245-4A2F-9C93-E02F5597A479@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi all,

As an European software developer, I struggled against this patents  
directive project at the European Parliament.
If it had been adopted, this would have meant that major companies  
(Microsoft, Nokia, Sony, etc.) which *have the money* would have  
crippled all smaller software companies and all independent  
developers and then creation and *real* innovation.
It would not be worrying.
It would be tragic.
Fortunately this project was rejected by more than 95% of the  
deputies against the Direction opinion :-)

Best Regards from Paris,

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From jbondy at sover.net  Fri Jul  8 18:44:04 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 18:44:04 -0400
Subject: documentation mini-bug
In-Reply-To: <1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>
	<1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <42CF01B4.4030406@sover.net>

Nope.  I was told to use this list, because Rev could not support me as 
a customer. I know they read this list.  I assume they are paying 
attention.  If not, well, someone else will file a bug report.

Sorry, but I really think that ALL I should have to do is point it out.  
Really.  That's all my customers have to do.

:(


Mark Wieder wrote:

>Jon-
>
>I assume you're filing bug reports on all these things.
>
>  
>


From jbondy at sover.net  Fri Jul  8 18:49:31 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 18:49:31 -0400
Subject: Intersecting data question/challenge
In-Reply-To: <8C29A74C-17AF-48B9-8AA9-4D5CCD372926@cableone.net>
References: <36A8CBE9-FBB8-4D5B-B2FA-A47B31C6D978@writeme.com>	<0CDAA53A-69C2-4D7E-899E-7EEFE9F3BE9F@sosmartsoftware.com>	<5129290D-0E18-4AC2-9F18-C16445C4D68C@writeme.com>
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How about loading a string with the numbers from one list, represented 
as strings (1 ==> "001", etc) appended and separated by spaces or commas.

Then run through the second number list searching for each number in the 
above string?

Hugely clunky, due to Rev's sloth, but it might be faster.

I *@(*%# hate it when one has to jump through these kinds of hoops to 
make something work fast enough.  I have better things to do with my 
time.  Sigh.

:)

Jon


Chris Sheffield wrote:

> Could you make use of the split command somehow?  You would have to  
> format your lists a little differently, but if you did it right and  
> specified a primary and secondary delimiter, you might be able to get  
> quick results and still take advantage of the intersect command.   
> Anyway, just another idea.
>
> Chris Sheffield
>
>
> On Jul 8, 2005, at 12:50 PM, Dennis Brown wrote:
>
>> Eric,
>>
>> Yes, I looked at the intersect command, but it performs the action  
>> on the keys not the data from a list.  I would have to create an  
>> array element for each integer in the list with the integer as the  
>> key.  Sounded like two loops that would run even slower than my  
>> example:
>>
>> repeat for each item theItem in list1
>>   put empty into myArray1[theItem]
>> end repeat
>> repeat for each item theItem in list2
>>   put empty into myArray2[theItem]
>> end repeat
>> intersect myArray1 with myArray2
>> if the keys of myArray1 is empty then get false else get true
>>
>> In actual practice, the above example runs 3 times slower than the  
>> below example for the sample data shown.
>>
>> However, knowing that Rev had such a command for the keys, I  thought 
>> perhaps someone knew of a more clever way to use it, or  maybe there 
>> was another way to intersect data.
>>
>> Dennis
>
>
> ------------------------------------------
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From mdswindell at charter.net  Fri Jul  8 18:55:24 2005
From: mdswindell at charter.net (Mark Swindell)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:55:24 -0700
Subject: documentation mini-bug
In-Reply-To: <AB8867DB-3E21-4A72-8289-34E49187ABB5@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>
	<10AFCEFA-C6B0-4687-BFF5-B55BB253140C@charter.net>
	<AB8867DB-3E21-4A72-8289-34E49187ABB5@sosmartsoftware.com>
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2.6 doesn't do it, you're right.  Thank goodness.  I had updated but  
hadn't noticed.
Mark

On Jul 8, 2005, at 12:11 PM, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> This irritating behaviour has been fixed with Rev 2.6 (may be  
> 2.5.1: I don't remember exactly).
> Is it enough to upgrade?
> :-)
>
> Le 8 juil. 05 ? 20:39, Mark Swindell a ?crit :
>
>
>> The "feature" I most like in the docs is the dialog that drops  
>> down over and over and over and over letting me know it can't find  
>> what I typed in but not letting me modify the search term or type  
>> in anything new.  Argh.
>>


From bann at sunncomm.com  Fri Jul  8 19:46:41 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 16:46:41 -0700
Subject: Scrolling List field
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E566@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>

Hello

I've been searching the command to make the scrolling list field works.
I want user click on a line and see an action.  Thank you


From rgriffit at ctc.net  Fri Jul  8 20:26:15 2005
From: rgriffit at ctc.net (Raymond E. Griffith)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 20:26:15 -0400
Subject: Intersecting data question/challenge
In-Reply-To: <4F005F40-F2AB-403C-89F9-D68250270775@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <BEF491E7.21B35%rgriffit@ctc.net>

Dennis,

I have a suggestion. It isn't perfect, but it does appear to be relatively
fast.

I start by creating return-delimited lists. The lists have 5000 elements in
them and 2000 elements in them, respectively, although due to repeats the
customkeys are significantly less.

One problem is that you cannot set the keys of a variable directly. You can,
however, set the customkeys of an object directly, then put those
customproperties into a variable.

Then use intersect.

As I said, this appears to me to be relatively fast.

on mouseUp
  put 5000 into n1
  put 2000 into n2
  repeat with i = 1 to n1
    put random(10000) & cr after A
  end repeat
  repeat with i = 1 to n2
    put random(10000) & cr after B
  end repeat
  put the long milliseconds into ms
  set the customkeys of fld "LA" to A
  set the customkeys of fld "LB" to B
  put the customproperties of fld "LA" into arrA
  put the customproperties of fld "LB" into arrB
  intersect arrA with arrB
  answer keys(arrA) & return & "___" & the long milliseconds - ms
end mouseUp

Perhaps someone can try comparing this idea with others for time trials?

I hope this helps.

Raymond E. Griffith


> JB,
> 
> You are right in that if I already had the lists setup as keys in an
> array it could run faster.  In that case your example below with a
> repeat loop runs about the same speed as my original example with a
> repeat loop.  However, using the intersect command instead of a
> repeat loop would run 4-8 times as fast as either loop version and is
> fast enough to use for my intended purpose as a direct test to see
> which blocks of code to execute inside a large loop.
> 
> Unfortunately, an array is not an easy thing to use as a constant to
> check against.  I would have to pre-build all my arrays beforehand.
> If I have to do that, I might just as well build an execution test
> matrix using the simple lists as parameters.  I just wanted to avoid
> one more level of indirection for the sake of speed (I have so many
> already).  However, I think I understand some new tricks now with
> your help and from Eric, Alex, and Chris.
> 
> Thanks,
> Dennis
> 
> On Jul 8, 2005, at 4:27 PM, jbv wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dennis,
>> 
>> Using arrays will always be a speed improvement.
>> 
>> My script creates arrays from your lists of items with loops
>> just for the purpose of the demonstration. As someone else
>> suggested, you can use "split" to create your arrays, or better :
>> drop your lists of items and configure your data as arrays
>> from the beginning.
>> 
>> Just for the anecdote, I have a cgi script that makes extensive
>> use of arrays (and only arrays), and it builds 16 pages pdf
>> files of about 1.4 Mb in roughly 0.1 second, while the previous
>> version (using items lists) took 3 to 4 seconds...
>> 
>> JB
>> 
>> 
>>> JB,
>>> 
>>> It will work, but not a speed improvement.
>>> It will run about 8 times slower than my original example.
>>> It takes Rev a lot of work (time) to create an array element.
>>> 
>>> Dennis
>>> 
>>> On Jul 8, 2005, at 2:50 PM, jbv wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Dennis,
>>>> 
>>>> Use arrays; Something like :
>>>> 
>>>> put "" into myT1
>>>> put "" into myT2
>>>> repeat for each item i in list1
>>>>     put 1 into myT1[i]
>>>> end repeat
>>>> repeat for each item i in list2
>>>>     put 1 into myT2[i]
>>>> end repeat
>>>> 
>>>> get the keys of myT1
>>>> repeat for each line j in it
>>>>     if myT2[j]=1 then
>>>>         get true
>>>>         exit repeat
>>>>     end if
>>>> end repeat
>>>> 
>>>> JB
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Hello clever Rev programmers,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have a simple question or maybe it is a simple challenge.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have two lists of integers.  The list are not long, perhaps 5
>>>>> to 50
>>>>> items e.g.:
>>>>> list1="310,423,522,211,107,340,"
>>>>> lis2="311,312,313,318,320,323,325,330,333,337,340,"
>>>>> 
>>>>> I want to find if any of the items in list1 have a match in list2.
>>>>> I know I could do it with a repeat, something like this:
>>>>> 
>>>>> get false
>>>>> repeat for each item theItem in list1
>>>>>    if theItem is not among the items of list2 then next repeat
>>>>>    get true
>>>>>    exit repeat
>>>>> end repeat
>>>>> 
>>>>> I was wondering if it could be done faster without a repeat through
>>>>> some Rev trick.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dennis
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>>>>> 
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From jbondy at sover.net  Fri Jul  8 20:37:05 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 20:37:05 -0400
Subject: spreadsheet-like tables
Message-ID: <42CF1C31.9060007@sover.net>

I want to port a simple (!) program that has a "database record" for 
each row in a user viewable (and possibly editable) table. The data may 
have to be sorted in more than one fashion, and some fields may have to 
have different colored backgrounds or text.   Some fields might be 
editable in the table, while other fields (memos) might be edited in a 
single field at the bottom, where the current record has the memo 
contents displayed (I hope this is clearly explained).  Given that I 
have no compatible databases on my Windows system (that I know of!), I 
may not actually choose to use a database, but perhaps some other 
approach (text file(s), multiple cards (something I do not understand 
very well), etc)..

So.  Two questions.

First off, what is the best way to present the user with tabular data?  
I tried the "table", and it has lots of problems, at least the way I did 
it <sick grin>.  Any sample stacks out there for me to study?  I had the 
most trouble allowing the user to edit the data: the appearance of the 
table went to hell when the user started modifying a field in the table.

Secondly, are there any simple databases that "come with" Windows?  Any 
freebie databases that can be (easily?) installed on Windows?  Any 
resource I should have consulted before posting this probably-redundant 
question?

Thanks

Jon


From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Fri Jul  8 20:40:06 2005
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 17:40:06 -0700
Subject: mark cards by finding -- new insights
In-Reply-To: <9EC0049F-3B47-4318-A613-2350D8460610@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <p06200703bef387f0a257@[10.0.1.2]>
	<42CDE798.2080107@hyperactivesw.com>	<p06200701bef49154d5ab@[10.0.1.2]>
	<09F10C96-3D38-440B-9E1D-9FBEF88C982B@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<p06200703bef4a47d5357@[10.0.1.2]>
	<9EC0049F-3B47-4318-A613-2350D8460610@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <p06200700bef4cb516d06@[10.0.1.2]>

Eric wrote:

>
>
>First, DreamCard or Revolution: some features are different but it's 
>the same IDE.
>As for the debugger, it's right that it needs to be debugged :-(
>I think that Runrev guys are working on it because you are right: a 
>fabulous language without a reliable debugger is no worth.
>Above all for beginners.


I didn't know that the debugger is an ongoing "issue". I didn't mean 
to complain. I thought I was doing something wrong. Of course, that's 
still a possibility.

Does the debugger work much better in version 2.6?

I've heard that alternate debuggers are available. If something works 
well, out of the box, I should probably try it. If they're all 
pre-beta versions, I guess I'd be better off waiting for Rev to fix 
their own debugger. What do you suggest?

Not to be negativistic, but it's starting to seem like Rev is a 
not-quite-ready-for-prime-time product. If it's true, I can live with 
that. I can even remain a Rev loyalist. God knows I was a hyperCard 
loyalist until the bitter end. (For that matter, I remained an Atari 
loyalist, until the bitter end!)

It just sort of comes as a surprise. At some point, everybody on the 
hyperCard list seemed to agree that it was time to switch to Rev. I 
just went along with the crowd.

In any case, thanks a bunch,


Tim


From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Fri Jul  8 20:51:44 2005
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 17:51:44 -0700
Subject: Scrolling List field
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E566@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E566@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <p06200701bef4ce0c10f6@[10.0.1.2]>

>Hello
>
>I've been searching the command to make the scrolling list field works.
>I want user click on a line and see an action.  Thank you
>_______________________________________________


I'm no expert...

Turn on the "list behavior" checkbox in the field's basic properties 
window. Also, lock the text of the field. Put an "on mouseup" script 
in the script of the field. In the script, use the clickline 
function, or the value of the clickline. If you're a beginner, start 
with

on mouseup
      answer the clickline
      answer the value of the clickline
end mouseUp

When you see what the clickline and the value of the clickline look 
like, you'll be ready to take the next step. Of course, you've got to 
have some data in your scrolling list field for this to work.

That's the basics. Unless I got something wrong.


Good luck,



Tim


From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Jul  8 21:21:34 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 02:21:34 +0100
Subject: mark cards by finding -- new insights
In-Reply-To: <p06200703bef4a47d5357@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <p06200703bef387f0a257@[10.0.1.2]>	<42CDE798.2080107@hyperactivesw.com>	<p06200701bef49154d5ab@[10.0.1.2]>	<09F10C96-3D38-440B-9E1D-9FBEF88C982B@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<p06200703bef4a47d5357@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <42CF269E.9030701@tweedly.net>

Timothy Miller wrote:

>
> I am sympathetic, Eric. If it's me and not Rev, I want to know it. If 
> it's a Rev bug, I'm now a Rev loyalist, so I want Rev to know it, and 
> if they don't have the resources to isolate it, I'm willing to help, 
> up to a point.
>
> It would help if I could get the damned debugger to work. Could you 
> toss me a clue? It sure doesn't act like the hyperCard debugger.
>
I've never used the hyperCard debugger (or in fact hyperCard) - so I'll 
refrain from comparisons :-)

> It works fine on, for example, a simple mouseUp script in a simple 
> button. However, if the button sends a message to a handler in a stack 
> script (for instance), which then sends another message to another 
> handler, nested or not, the debugger won't follow along. "Script debug 
> mode" is definitely turned on. Step Into, etc., are absent and/or 
> dimmed out, typically. Sometimes, I can see the script window open, 
> several windows back, but I can't get to it until the script is done 
> executing. I've tried setting multiple breakpoints in each handler, 
> tried setting breakpoints by script. The script rolls right past them.

The debugger has some issues - but for me at least it basically does 
what I need it to do, more or less, most of the time. In 2.6, they (Rev) 
added basic (inadequate) support for array, which was the biggest thing 
completely missing - so I'm relatively happy with the debugger.

In my experience, it will stop at breakpoints, and will generally then 
"step over" or "step into" adequately. Note that it will "step into" if 
you call a function or a handler - but it will NOT do so if you "send 
message".

So if I'm in my mouseUp handler, stopped at the first of the following lines

> put 3 into i
> myHandler i, "try this"
> put 4 into i

then wither a "step over" or  "step into" will move me to the next line.
Then another "step into" will move me to, and stop at, the first line of 
myHandler.
Alternatively a "step over" would stop me at the next line (put 4 ....")

However, if the code was instead

> put 3 into i
> myHandler i, "try this"
> put 4 into i

then the code would do pretty much the same thing (not quite, order 
would be different) but the debugger behaviour would be very different 
because it would never pause within myHandler.

The other thing to watch our for is that stepping *out* of a function or 
handler also, I think, requires you to use the "step into" button.   
It's (IMO) a very misleading label on the button - it really means step 
to the next statement even in a different handler context - either 
entering or leaving.  (Hmmm - I can see why they didn't call it that :-)

Anyway - I use "step into" all the time, except when I deliberately wish 
to step over a function or handler.

One more thing to watch for - closing the debugger/script window is 
equivalent to clicking "Run" !!
Since you no longer have the debugger control window open, what can it 
do but try to continue. Makes some sense - but caught me out often until 
I got used to it. Makes me really, really wish that this window had a 
"minimize" control - but I get used to just shuffling windows of to the 
edges of the screen while I try to see what's happened.

> The instructions say, "The breakpoint command has no effect unless the 
> stack is running in the Revolution development environment." I'm using 
> DreamCard. Does DreamCard count as the "revolution development 
> environment?"
>
Yes.


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From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Jul  8 21:28:15 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 02:28:15 +0100
Subject: mark cards by finding -- new insights
In-Reply-To: <42CF269E.9030701@tweedly.net>
References: <p06200703bef387f0a257@[10.0.1.2]>	<42CDE798.2080107@hyperactivesw.com>	<p06200701bef49154d5ab@[10.0.1.2]>	<09F10C96-3D38-440B-9E1D-9FBEF88C982B@sosmartsoftware.com>	<p06200703bef4a47d5357@[10.0.1.2]>
	<42CF269E.9030701@tweedly.net>
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Oops !!! cut/paste typo .... should have said

Alex Tweedly wrote:

>
> However, if the code was instead
>
>> put 3 into i
>>   send "myHandler i"
>> put 4 into i
>
Sorry.

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From see3d at writeme.com  Fri Jul  8 22:01:09 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 22:01:09 -0400
Subject: Intersecting data question/challenge
In-Reply-To: <BEF491E7.21B35%rgriffit@ctc.net>
References: <BEF491E7.21B35%rgriffit@ctc.net>
Message-ID: <35F5FD36-B983-4BE0-9374-5D4E3FFCDE10@writeme.com>

Raymond,

Good idea.  It does get around the need to iterate to get the keys.   
Unfortunately, that operation seems to be very slow in Rev.  If I use  
the data from the previous tests, and do everything starting with the  
lists, is is 10 times slower than my first example.  If I save the  
constant array first, it is 5 times slower.  If I save both arrays  
and only get the get the customProperties to the array in the timing  
loop, it is still twice as slow, which is 17 times slower than the  
fastest way.

So you met the challenge of no loops --good job.  But the Rev setting  
customKeys and getting customProperties seems to be much slower than  
any other operations tested.  They must be using the crawl method for  
those operations.

Dennis

On Jul 8, 2005, at 8:26 PM, Raymond E. Griffith wrote:

> on mouseUp
>   put 5000 into n1
>   put 2000 into n2
>   repeat with i = 1 to n1
>     put random(10000) & cr after A
>   end repeat
>   repeat with i = 1 to n2
>     put random(10000) & cr after B
>   end repeat
>   put the long milliseconds into ms
>   set the customkeys of fld "LA" to A
>   set the customkeys of fld "LB" to B
>   put the customproperties of fld "LA" into arrA
>   put the customproperties of fld "LB" into arrB
>   intersect arrA with arrB
>   answer keys(arrA) & return & "___" & the long milliseconds - ms
> end mouseUp
>



From see3d at writeme.com  Fri Jul  8 22:02:14 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 22:02:14 -0400
Subject: Intersecting data question/challenge
In-Reply-To: <42CF02FB.7060200@sover.net>
References: <36A8CBE9-FBB8-4D5B-B2FA-A47B31C6D978@writeme.com>
	<0CDAA53A-69C2-4D7E-899E-7EEFE9F3BE9F@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<5129290D-0E18-4AC2-9F18-C16445C4D68C@writeme.com>
	<8C29A74C-17AF-48B9-8AA9-4D5CCD372926@cableone.net>
	<42CF02FB.7060200@sover.net>
Message-ID: <238CE965-4E21-46F4-8D68-5F58B28EF8B7@writeme.com>

Jon,

Unless I am not understanding your suggestion, that is the method  
used to start off this thread.

Dennis

On Jul 8, 2005, at 6:49 PM, Jon wrote:

> How about loading a string with the numbers from one list,  
> represented as strings (1 ==> "001", etc) appended and separated by  
> spaces or commas.
>
> Then run through the second number list searching for each number  
> in the above string?
>
> Hugely clunky, due to Rev's sloth, but it might be faster.
>
> I *@(*%# hate it when one has to jump through these kinds of hoops  
> to make something work fast enough.  I have better things to do  
> with my time.  Sigh.
>
> :)
>
> Jon
>
>
> Chris Sheffield wrote:
>
>
>> Could you make use of the split command somehow?  You would have  
>> to  format your lists a little differently, but if you did it  
>> right and  specified a primary and secondary delimiter, you might  
>> be able to get  quick results and still take advantage of the  
>> intersect command.   Anyway, just another idea.
>>
>> Chris Sheffield
>>
>>
>> On Jul 8, 2005, at 12:50 PM, Dennis Brown wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Eric,
>>>
>>> Yes, I looked at the intersect command, but it performs the  
>>> action  on the keys not the data from a list.  I would have to  
>>> create an  array element for each integer in the list with the  
>>> integer as the  key.  Sounded like two loops that would run even  
>>> slower than my  example:
>>>
>>> repeat for each item theItem in list1
>>>   put empty into myArray1[theItem]
>>> end repeat
>>> repeat for each item theItem in list2
>>>   put empty into myArray2[theItem]
>>> end repeat
>>> intersect myArray1 with myArray2
>>> if the keys of myArray1 is empty then get false else get true
>>>
>>> In actual practice, the above example runs 3 times slower than  
>>> the  below example for the sample data shown.
>>>
>>> However, knowing that Rev had such a command for the keys, I   
>>> thought perhaps someone knew of a more clever way to use it, or   
>>> maybe there was another way to intersect data.
>>>
>>> Dennis
>>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------
>> Chris Sheffield
>> Read Naturally
>> The Fluency Company
>> http://www.readnaturally.com
>> ------------------------------------------
>>
>>
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From jbondy at sover.net  Fri Jul  8 22:41:50 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 22:41:50 -0400
Subject: Intersecting data question/challenge
In-Reply-To: <238CE965-4E21-46F4-8D68-5F58B28EF8B7@writeme.com>
References: <36A8CBE9-FBB8-4D5B-B2FA-A47B31C6D978@writeme.com>	<0CDAA53A-69C2-4D7E-899E-7EEFE9F3BE9F@sosmartsoftware.com>	<5129290D-0E18-4AC2-9F18-C16445C4D68C@writeme.com>	<8C29A74C-17AF-48B9-8AA9-4D5CCD372926@cableone.net>	<42CF02FB.7060200@sover.net>
	<238CE965-4E21-46F4-8D68-5F58B28EF8B7@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <42CF396E.4040905@sover.net>

Whoops!  Sorry!

:)


Dennis Brown wrote:

> Jon,
>
> Unless I am not understanding your suggestion, that is the method  
> used to start off this thread.
>
> Dennis
>
> On Jul 8, 2005, at 6:49 PM, Jon wrote:
>
>> How about loading a string with the numbers from one list,  
>> represented as strings (1 ==> "001", etc) appended and separated by  
>> spaces or commas.
>>
>> Then run through the second number list searching for each number  in 
>> the above string?
>>
>> Hugely clunky, due to Rev's sloth, but it might be faster.
>>
>> I *@(*%# hate it when one has to jump through these kinds of hoops  
>> to make something work fast enough.  I have better things to do  with 
>> my time.  Sigh.
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>
>> Chris Sheffield wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Could you make use of the split command somehow?  You would have  
>>> to  format your lists a little differently, but if you did it  right 
>>> and  specified a primary and secondary delimiter, you might  be able 
>>> to get  quick results and still take advantage of the  intersect 
>>> command.   Anyway, just another idea.
>>>
>>> Chris Sheffield
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 8, 2005, at 12:50 PM, Dennis Brown wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Eric,
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I looked at the intersect command, but it performs the  
>>>> action  on the keys not the data from a list.  I would have to  
>>>> create an  array element for each integer in the list with the  
>>>> integer as the  key.  Sounded like two loops that would run even  
>>>> slower than my  example:
>>>>
>>>> repeat for each item theItem in list1
>>>>   put empty into myArray1[theItem]
>>>> end repeat
>>>> repeat for each item theItem in list2
>>>>   put empty into myArray2[theItem]
>>>> end repeat
>>>> intersect myArray1 with myArray2
>>>> if the keys of myArray1 is empty then get false else get true
>>>>
>>>> In actual practice, the above example runs 3 times slower than  
>>>> the  below example for the sample data shown.
>>>>
>>>> However, knowing that Rev had such a command for the keys, I   
>>>> thought perhaps someone knew of a more clever way to use it, or   
>>>> maybe there was another way to intersect data.
>>>>
>>>> Dennis
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------
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>>> Read Naturally
>>> The Fluency Company
>>> http://www.readnaturally.com
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>>>
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From wouter.abraham at scarlet.be  Fri Jul  8 22:57:28 2005
From: wouter.abraham at scarlet.be (Buster)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 04:57:28 +0200
Subject: Intersecting data question/challenge
In-Reply-To: <BEF491E7.21B35%rgriffit@ctc.net>
References: <BEF491E7.21B35%rgriffit@ctc.net>
Message-ID: <4FBBD910-9EF0-44F1-88AC-47E0FDE7F5DA@scarlet.be>


On 09 Jul 2005, at 02:26, Raymond E. Griffith wrote:

> Dennis,
>
> I have a suggestion. It isn't perfect, but it does appear to be  
> relatively
> fast.
>
> I start by creating return-delimited lists. The lists have 5000  
> elements in
> them and 2000 elements in them, respectively, although due to  
> repeats the
> customkeys are significantly less.
>
> One problem is that you cannot set the keys of a variable directly.  
> You can,
> however, set the customkeys of an object directly, then put those
> customproperties into a variable.
>
> Then use intersect.
>
> As I said, this appears to me to be relatively fast.
>
> on mouseUp
>   put 5000 into n1
>   put 2000 into n2
>   repeat with i = 1 to n1
>     put random(10000) & cr after A
>   end repeat
>   repeat with i = 1 to n2
>     put random(10000) & cr after B
>   end repeat
>   put the long milliseconds into ms
>   set the customkeys of fld "LA" to A
>   set the customkeys of fld "LB" to B
>   put the customproperties of fld "LA" into arrA
>   put the customproperties of fld "LB" into arrB
>   intersect arrA with arrB
>   answer keys(arrA) & return & "___" & the long milliseconds - ms
> end mouseUp
>
> Perhaps someone can try comparing this idea with others for time  
> trials?
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Raymond E. Griffith

> Raymond,
>
> Good idea.  It does get around the need to iterate to get the  
> keys.  Unfortunately, that operation seems to be very slow in Rev.   
> If I use the data from the previous tests, and do everything  
> starting with the lists, is is 10 times slower than my first  
> example.  If I save the constant array first, it is 5 times  
> slower.  If I save both arrays and only get the get the  
> customProperties to the array in the timing loop, it is still twice  
> as slow, which is 17 times slower than the fastest way.
>
> So you met the challenge of no loops --good job.  But the Rev  
> setting customKeys and getting customProperties seems to be much  
> slower than any other operations tested.  They must be using the  
> crawl method for those operations.
>
> Dennis




Hi Raymond, Dennis and everybody else,


The way proposed by Dennis is indeed the fastest on not too large  
amounts of data.
So it is only fair to test the other way around too and try Dennis  
proposal on the same amount of data on which Raymond used his handler
Raymond's handler is a neat trick.
Though it is at least 2 times slower than a replace + split  method.

I adapted Raymond's  method slightly to be able to produce a "one  
button copy-paste script" test for comparison :

on mouseUp
   ### filling the vars
   repeat 5000
     put random(10000) & cr after A
   end repeat
   repeat 2000
     put random(10000) & cr after B
   end repeat
   put A into x
   put B into y
   ### custom prop method
   put the long millisecs into zap
   set the customkeys of me to A
   put the customproperties of me into arrA
   set the customkeys of me to B
   put the customproperties of me into arrB
   intersect arrA with arrB
   put keys(arrA) into tKeys1
   put the long millisecs - zap into time1
   set the customkeys of me to ""
   ### replace split method
   put the long millisecs into zap
   replace cr with tab & cr in A
   split A with cr and tab
   replace cr with tab & cr in B
   split B with cr and tab
   intersect A with B
   put keys(A) into tKeys2
   put the long millisecs - zap into time2
   ### repeat for each + is not among method
   replace cr with comma in x
   replace cr with comma in y
   put the long millisecs into zap
   repeat for each item i in x
     if i is not among the items of y then put i & cr after tList
   end repeat
   put the long millisecs - zap into time3
   put time1 &cr& time2 & cr & time3
end mouseUp


Greetings,
Wouter



From revdan at danshafer.com  Fri Jul  8 23:15:30 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:15:30 -0700
Subject: mark cards by finding -- new insights
In-Reply-To: <p06200700bef4cb516d06@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <p06200703bef387f0a257@[10.0.1.2]>
	<42CDE798.2080107@hyperactivesw.com>	<p06200701bef49154d5ab@[10.0.1.2]>
	<09F10C96-3D38-440B-9E1D-9FBEF88C982B@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<p06200703bef4a47d5357@[10.0.1.2]>
	<9EC0049F-3B47-4318-A613-2350D8460610@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<p06200700bef4cb516d06@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <8F559747-F4D7-4C34-9BE2-649F1124F87A@danshafer.com>

Maybe it's of less worth, perhaps even only modest worth, but "no  
worth"? A bit strong, I think.

While the debugger has problems, I note that there are a LOT of  
people here who have built some very sophisticated apps and managed  
to stumble around enough to get the job done. A language is "no  
worth" only if it can't produce useful products. Rev is WAY beyond  
that point.

On Jul 8, 2005, at 5:40 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:

>> a fabulous language without a reliable debugger is no worth.
>



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author
http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
 From http://www.shafermedia.com/revolutionbooks.html






From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jul  8 23:23:37 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 22:23:37 -0500
Subject: mark cards by finding -- new insights
In-Reply-To: <p06200701bef49154d5ab@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <p06200703bef387f0a257@[10.0.1.2]>	<42CDE798.2080107@hyperactivesw.com>
	<p06200701bef49154d5ab@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <42CF4339.60502@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/8/05 4:11 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:

> However, when I un-commented the handlers, the 'mark cards by 
> finding...' script continued to work. I saved and closed the stack, 
> re-opened it, and the command continued to work. This time, I hadn't 
> changed any field properties.
> 
> It's hard to avoid the conclusion that this is an intermittent bug that 
> is influenced by some combination of field properties and/or field 
> scripts and/or the placement of the field in a group, and/or group 
> properties, and/or turning on "behave like a background" in the group 
> properties.

Your testing was pretty thorough. All variants of the "find" command 
work consistently for me in all my stacks, but when I see something like 
this -- where it works in native stacks but not in a converted HyperCard 
stack -- my experience has been that something isn't quite right with 
the converted objects. This may be the case in your situation. Rev does 
a very good job bringing in HC stacks, but sometimes the HC file is a 
bit off (especially with very old HC stacks) and Rev can't always 
convert it exactly. Since your stacks have probably lived through 
several HC versions as well as Rev, I'm starting to think that's the 
problem.

One (tedious) way to fix it might be to delete the fields in question 
and re-create them in Rev; then they would be fully-native Rev objects 
without any HC baggage. I have had to do that occasionally with HC popup 
buttons, which sometimes don't transfer over very well.

You could try setting the HCAddressing of the stack to false if it won't 
affect your scripts (you'd have to test everything to see,) and it might 
fix the "find" problem. It does fix some other glitches sometimes. No 
promises.

But easier, since the "find" commands work for you in other stacks, I 
think I'd just go with "find string" for this stack and leave it at 
that. I am sure that any new stacks you create will "mark cards by 
finding" fine.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From sims at ezpzapps.com  Sat Jul  9 00:04:20 2005
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 06:04:20 +0200
Subject: recOnline Viewer
In-Reply-To: <5715189381.20050708134646@ahsoftware.net>
References: <OF805570C3.6BC7DFFC-ONC1257038.00421002-C1257038.0042636A@deutsche-boerse
	.com> <a05210600bef42345129d@[192.168.80.101]>
	<F62DA23B-92FC-4F75-8CD3-8F0F7C94E334@major-k.de>
	<a05210602bef4288c4fdc@[192.168.80.101]>
	<40502DA9-F7BF-4A84-8A49-DA107636AC59@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<a05210600bef439de0ee1@[192.168.80.101]>
	<p06200701bef43f9570f1@[10.0.0.4]>
	<1995193167.20050708110010@ahsoftware.net>
	<p06200705bef4730358d6@[10.0.0.4]>
	<5715189381.20050708134646@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <p06200701bef4fba236f9@[10.0.0.4]>

At 1:46 PM -0700 7/8/05, Mark Wieder wrote:
>Just curious, though - don't you have a hard time selecting invisible
>or off-screen objects without it? Seems rather like trying to pilot a
>plane without instruments to me. It's a handy way for me to know what
>stacks *are* in memory, so I can close them before running into the
>dreaded error message about a stack by that name already existing.

Nope. I usually use a naming scheme so I know what to name cds or stacks, View
in the menubar has 'Show invisible Objects', and I use the message box for lots
of things. Once or twice a day I might use the App Browser but 
usually not more.

That's one of the things I like about Rev - it's extremely flexible.

ciao,
sims


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jul  9 00:22:50 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 21:22:50 -0700
Subject: debugger
In-Reply-To: <42CF269E.9030701@tweedly.net>
References: <p06200703bef387f0a257@[10.0.1.2]>
	<42CDE798.2080107@hyperactivesw.com> <p06200701bef49154d5ab@[10.0.1.2]>
	<09F10C96-3D38-440B-9E1D-9FBEF88C982B@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<p06200703bef4a47d5357@[10.0.1.2]> <42CF269E.9030701@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <7242553488.20050708212250@ahsoftware.net>

Alex-

Friday, July 8, 2005, 6:21:34 PM, you wrote:

AT> The other thing to watch our for is that stepping *out* of a function or
AT> handler also, I think, requires you to use the "step into" button.
AT> It's (IMO) a very misleading label on the button - it really means step
AT> to the next statement even in a different handler context - either
AT> entering or leaving.  (Hmmm - I can see why they didn't call it that :-)

IMO this is one of the biggest bugs in the debugger. I can't tell you
how many times I've accidentally stepped over an "end handler"
command. I really think the proper behavior here would be to step to
the next executable line, no matter which button was pressed.

BTW: have you noticed the added button in the v2.6 debugger? If you
change execution contexts and then click the button to the right of
the execution contexts window the code window will switch to the new
context.

AT> One more thing to watch for - closing the debugger/script window is
AT> equivalent to clicking "Run" !!
AT> Since you no longer have the debugger control window open, what can it
AT> do but try to continue. Makes some sense - but caught me out often until

Makes a lot of sense, actually... I'd hate to have my script paused
waiting for me to press a "step into" button in a debugger that I had
already closed.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jul  9 01:05:10 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 22:05:10 -0700
Subject: documentation mini-bug
In-Reply-To: <42CF01B4.4030406@sover.net>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>
	<1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net> <42CF01B4.4030406@sover.net>
Message-ID: <7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>

Jon-

Friday, July 8, 2005, 3:44:04 PM, you wrote:

J> Sorry, but I really think that ALL I should have to do is point it out.
J> Really.  That's all my customers have to do.

Excuse me? ALL your customers have to do is bitch somewhere on a
listserv and their complaints magically get taken care of? You don't
use any bugtracking tools to track and prioritize your work? You don't
have any idea how often certain features have been suggested or the
severity level of bugs? Oh, sorry, from some of your posts I almost
had you mistaken for a real developer. My bad.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From katir at hindu.org  Sat Jul  9 01:50:20 2005
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 19:50:20 -1000
Subject: preserve vertical white space in XML?
Message-ID: <D040C613-32A2-40EC-A15D-888C438C7CD7@hindu.org>

I always use extra line breaks in my XML docs and .XHTML docs... for  
readability.

But, if you create an XML Tree from one of these, transform some data  
in a node and then

put revXMLText(tCurrTree) into tNewFile

to get that data back out, Rev's XML libraries have wiped out all the  
cr's.

What is interesting is that double cr's are preserved, singles are not

e.g

<node1>Revolutionaries</node1>
<node2>will make a better future</node2>
<here_is_why>

A brilliant rev advocacy essay

with many paragraphs

</here_is_why>

get returned as:

<node1>Revolutionaries</node1><node2>will make a better future</ 
node2><here_is_why>

A brilliant rev advocacy essay

with many paragraphs

</here_is_why>

Is there a way to preserve the single cr's in the original? Otherwise  
I have to a) live with it b) open them in BBEdit and run a format  
function to get them back to a readable state--each child node on  
it's own line...

TIA

Sivakatirswami


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sat Jul  9 03:19:20 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 09:19:20 +0200
Subject: [APOLOGISES] was: Re: mark cards by finding -- new insights
In-Reply-To: <8F559747-F4D7-4C34-9BE2-649F1124F87A@danshafer.com>
References: <p06200703bef387f0a257@[10.0.1.2]>
	<42CDE798.2080107@hyperactivesw.com>	<p06200701bef49154d5ab@[10.0.1.2]>
	<09F10C96-3D38-440B-9E1D-9FBEF88C982B@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<p06200703bef4a47d5357@[10.0.1.2]>
	<9EC0049F-3B47-4318-A613-2350D8460610@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<p06200700bef4cb516d06@[10.0.1.2]>
	<8F559747-F4D7-4C34-9BE2-649F1124F87A@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <3D21FF03-525B-4DE8-B59D-429543283064@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Dan and all,

I do apologise: the words I used were not a bit strong but totally  
excessive.
In fact, it's my bad knowledge of English which played a dirty trick  
on me.
I wanted to tell that a fully reliable debugger with good ergonomics  
(it's not yet the case at the moment) is a major piece in any IDE.
Especially for beginners, it's an irreplaceable learning tool, a kind  
of big brother which look over your shoulder and tells you how to  
progress :-)
So I think that Runrev guys should pay more attention to the debugger  
as, beyond debugging, it shows:
1. What's happens is not a bug ;-)
2. It's your code which is badly dressed
3. You begin to see how to change it for a good one

Le 9 juil. 05 ? 05:15, Dan Shafer a ?crit :

> Maybe it's of less worth, perhaps even only modest worth, but "no  
> worth"? A bit strong, I think.
>
> While the debugger has problems, I note that there are a LOT of  
> people here who have built some very sophisticated apps and managed  
> to stumble around enough to get the job done. A language is "no  
> worth" only if it can't produce useful products. Rev is WAY beyond  
> that point.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sat Jul  9 03:34:26 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 09:34:26 +0200
Subject: How to make a audio player using Revolution
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E565@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E565@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <73E46B23-7B00-4C42-8698-F4773D92069E@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Ban,

Assuming that QT is installed:

1. Create a player object
2. Set the filename of the player to the filename of any WAV file you  
have to hand in the properties inspector for the player.
3. Use the built-in commands of the player to start, stop, etc.

You can also place the player out of the card window and pilot it by  
script: check all dictionary entries I gave you in a previous mail:  
they allow to do that.
BTW, if you are a "newbie", it might be wise to begin with some more  
easy project and go your way step by step.
You will find many kind people on this list to help you especially on  
specific issues but, as you can understand it easily, it's not  
possible to answer too large questions the replies of which would  
have to be a complete 10 pages tutorial :-)
When such a tutorial exists, there will be somebody to tell you where  
you can find it.
As far I know, there is not yet a tutorial about managing sounds with  
Rev.

Le 9 juil. 05 ? 00:12, Ban Nguyen a ?crit :

> I have 5 .wav file
>
> First I need to creat an array?
> Could you give me some example how to code this.  I want user can  
> click to play, pause, stop, rev or forward.  How do I code this?   
> Thank you for your help

Best Regards from Paris,

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From wouter.abraham at scarlet.be  Sat Jul  9 03:47:37 2005
From: wouter.abraham at scarlet.be (Buster)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 09:47:37 +0200
Subject: mark cards by finding -- new insights
In-Reply-To: <42CF4339.60502@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <p06200703bef387f0a257@[10.0.1.2]>	<42CDE798.2080107@hyperactivesw.com>
	<p06200701bef49154d5ab@[10.0.1.2]>
	<42CF4339.60502@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C92FB45F-B283-4B33-B131-39D2796C5532@scarlet.be>

Hi Timothy,


Did you try the following too? No need for the find command.
(I can't find it in this thread but then I can miss easily and if I  
did,  sorry in advance :-)

mark cards where field <fieldname> contains <string>
or
mark cards where field <fieldname> contains <string> and field  
<fieldname2> contains <string2>
or
mark cards where field <fieldname> contains <string> and the hilite  
of button <buttonname>  [is true]
or whatever combination

This works for me on my large from HC imported stacks.


Greetings,
Wouter



On 09 Jul 2005, at 05:23, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 7/8/05 4:11 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:
>
>
>> However, when I un-commented the handlers, the 'mark cards by  
>> finding...' script continued to work. I saved and closed the  
>> stack, re-opened it, and the command continued to work. This time,  
>> I hadn't changed any field properties.
>> It's hard to avoid the conclusion that this is an intermittent bug  
>> that is influenced by some combination of field properties and/or  
>> field scripts and/or the placement of the field in a group, and/or  
>> group properties, and/or turning on "behave like a background" in  
>> the group properties.
>>
>
> Your testing was pretty thorough. All variants of the "find"  
> command work consistently for me in all my stacks, but when I see  
> something like this -- where it works in native stacks but not in a  
> converted HyperCard stack -- my experience has been that something  
> isn't quite right with the converted objects. This may be the case  
> in your situation. Rev does a very good job bringing in HC stacks,  
> but sometimes the HC file is a bit off (especially with very old HC  
> stacks) and Rev can't always convert it exactly. Since your stacks  
> have probably lived through several HC versions as well as Rev, I'm  
> starting to think that's the problem.
>
> One (tedious) way to fix it might be to delete the fields in  
> question and re-create them in Rev; then they would be fully-native  
> Rev objects without any HC baggage. I have had to do that  
> occasionally with HC popup buttons, which sometimes don't transfer  
> over very well.
>
> You could try setting the HCAddressing of the stack to false if it  
> won't affect your scripts (you'd have to test everything to see,)  
> and it might fix the "find" problem. It does fix some other  
> glitches sometimes. No promises.
>
> But easier, since the "find" commands work for you in other stacks,  
> I think I'd just go with "find string" for this stack and leave it  
> at that. I am sure that any new stacks you create will "mark cards  
> by finding" fine.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> _______________________________________________


Ps I replied on this mail to retain the chronological order on some  
mail archive sites


From wouter.abraham at scarlet.be  Sat Jul  9 05:49:37 2005
From: wouter.abraham at scarlet.be (Buster)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 11:49:37 +0200
Subject: Intersecting data question/challenge
In-Reply-To: <4FBBD910-9EF0-44F1-88AC-47E0FDE7F5DA@scarlet.be>
References: <BEF491E7.21B35%rgriffit@ctc.net>
	<4FBBD910-9EF0-44F1-88AC-47E0FDE7F5DA@scarlet.be>
Message-ID: <963331A2-B3C9-43E8-B695-953CA634C0FD@scarlet.be>

As the use of the array method takes out double data in each of the  
data sets, it is also fair to add this to the repeat for each method.
So here is a little change for the test handler.

Test with different amounts in the data sets and see when the  
differences set in.


on mouseUp
   ### filling the data sets
  ### change by hand or by use a scrollbar
   repeat 500  --round(thumbpos of sb "A")
     put random(10000) & cr after A
   end repeat
   repeat 200   --round(thumbpos of sb "B")
     put random(10000) & cr after B
   end repeat
   put 0 into time1
   put 0 into time2
   put 0 into time3
   repeat 10
     put A into x
     put B into y
     ### custom prop method
     put the long seconds into zap
     set the customkeys of me to x
     put the customproperties of me into arrA
     set the customkeys of me to y
     put the customproperties of me into arrB
     intersect arrA with arrB
     put keys(arrA) into tKeys1
     add the long seconds - zap to time1
     set the customkeys of me to ""
     ### replace split method
     put the long seconds into zap
     replace cr with tab & cr in x
     split x with cr and tab
     replace cr with tab & cr in y
     split y with cr and tab
     intersect x with y
     put keys(y) into tKeys2
     add the long seconds - zap to time2
     ### repeat for each + is not among method
     put A into x
     put B into y
     replace cr with comma in x
     replace cr with comma in y
     put "" into tList
     put the long seconds into zap
     repeat for each item i in x
       if i is not among the items of y and i is not among the lines  
of tList then put i & cr after tList
     end repeat
     add the long seconds - zap to time3
   end repeat
   put time1 &cr& time2 & cr & time3
end mouseUp


Greetings,
Wouter





From mark at maseurope.net  Sat Jul  9 06:46:43 2005
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 11:46:43 +0100
Subject: preserve vertical white space in XML?
In-Reply-To: <D040C613-32A2-40EC-A15D-888C438C7CD7@hindu.org>
References: <D040C613-32A2-40EC-A15D-888C438C7CD7@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <b9072555cd275221b821dad662239b84@maseurope.net>

I noticed this too - the revXMLText function does not put any end of 
line delimiters between tags, though of course it preserves them with 
in node contents.

For simple cases (and I think this would cover the case given),

put revXMLText(treeID) into theXML
replace "><" with ">" & cr & "<" in theXML

will work.

On my current project, I found it easier (and quicker in execution) to 
generate the XML in my own code, rather than using the library, though 
I still use the library for reading it back in.

Mark Smith


On 9 Jul 2005, at 06:50, Sivakatirswami wrote:

> I always use extra line breaks in my XML docs and .XHTML docs... for 
> readability.
>
> But, if you create an XML Tree from one of these, transform some data 
> in a node and then
>
> put revXMLText(tCurrTree) into tNewFile
>
> to get that data back out, Rev's XML libraries have wiped out all the 
> cr's.
>
> What is interesting is that double cr's are preserved, singles are not
>
> e.g
>
> <node1>Revolutionaries</node1>
> <node2>will make a better future</node2>
> <here_is_why>
>
> A brilliant rev advocacy essay
>
> with many paragraphs
>
> </here_is_why>
>
> get returned as:
>
> <node1>Revolutionaries</node1><node2>will make a better 
> future</node2><here_is_why>
>
> A brilliant rev advocacy essay
>
> with many paragraphs
>
> </here_is_why>
>
> Is there a way to preserve the single cr's in the original? Otherwise 
> I have to a) live with it b) open them in BBEdit and run a format 
> function to get them back to a readable state--each child node on it's 
> own line...
>
> TIA
>
> Sivakatirswami
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From alex at tweedly.net  Sat Jul  9 07:28:00 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 12:28:00 +0100
Subject: spreadsheet-like tables
In-Reply-To: <42CF1C31.9060007@sover.net>
References: <42CF1C31.9060007@sover.net>
Message-ID: <42CFB4C0.1020205@tweedly.net>

Jon wrote:

> I want to port a simple (!) program that has a "database record" for 
> each row in a user viewable (and possibly editable) table. The data 
> may have to be sorted in more than one fashion, and some fields may 
> have to have different colored backgrounds or text.   Some fields 
> might be editable in the table, while other fields (memos) might be 
> edited in a single field at the bottom, where the current record has 
> the memo contents displayed (I hope this is clearly explained).  Given 
> that I have no compatible databases on my Windows system (that I know 
> of!), I may not actually choose to use a database, but perhaps some 
> other approach (text file(s), multiple cards (something I do not 
> understand very well), etc)..
>
> So.  Two questions.
>
> First off, what is the best way to present the user with tabular 
> data?  I tried the "table", and it has lots of problems, at least the 
> way I did it <sick grin>.  Any sample stacks out there for me to 
> study?  I had the most trouble allowing the user to edit the data: the 
> appearance of the table went to hell when the user started modifying a 
> field in the table.

If you can live with one limitation, I think the easiest answer is to 
use Chipp's altHeader plugin. It provides headers for  columnar data, 
allows for resizing of the columns, makes it easy (or automatic - I 
don't remember) to sort by different columns, etc.  Only thing I wanted 
and didn't find was column re-ordering (i.e. selecting the third 
column's heading, and drag-and-dropping it to make it now be the fifth 
column).

The limitation is that, as far as I know, you can't have different 
fields in different colours - though it may be possible to program that 
yourself.

You mentioned "memo" fields - I'd be inclined to keep them out of the 
tabular display completely, so that only the "current" record has its 
memo field(s) displayed at the bottom.

> Secondly, are there any simple databases that "come with" Windows?  
> Any freebie databases that can be (easily?) installed on Windows?  Any 
> resource I should have consulted before posting this 
> probably-redundant question?
>
How much data do you have to deal with ? You can go a long way with CSV 
files (actually, use TABs or some other character that won't appear in 
your data, not commas, as your separator - makes things much easier), 
and the speed of text manipulation and searching in Rev will allow this 
to scale quite a long way.

I wouldn't use the "data on cards" approach - I like to keep data and 
code separate, and to have the data in a format that can be readily 
accessed by other tools if needed.

You should look at SDB (Serendipity Database-Binary). I have failed 
utterly to get it to work for me, in spite of trying seriously 3 or 4 
times - but I know others have succeed, so it may be just me that thinks 
differently and can't understand the docs, or my system set-up that is 
peculiar, or something. (If ever there was a product that needed a 
detailed step-by-step set of instructions for installing it, SDB is it.  
I would have a go at writing it - except that I can't figure it out well 
enough to do it myself :-)  So if you try this and succeed - you owe me 
a write-up on the exact steps you took ....


Alternatively, stretching the definition of "simple", install MySQL or 
PostgreSQL. Free (beware mySQL ceases to be free if your app is a 
commercial app, in some complicated way), and both come well packaged 
for Windows, and with lots of books, articles, support available, etc. - 
but not quite "simple".

Or pay a modest sum for altSQLite.

Or write your own extneral to interface to sqlite.

Or .....
or just use CSV files :-)

-- 
Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net



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From cford at sc.edu  Sat Jul  9 07:38:02 2005
From: cford at sc.edu (Curtis Ford)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 07:38:02 -0400
Subject: mixed languages in a field: solved : )
Message-ID: <d2b66eba57540a30e86893ececef84aa@sc.edu>

Hi Eric,

Thanks - playing with your Encoded Text Picker gave me a fresh sense of 
what to look at.. the actual characters for the Russian were OK (they 
are 'entities' encoded by Rev in a separate part of the project), but I 
had forgotten to provide font tags as well. Adding "<font face" & 
q(Arial) & ">" before the item, and "</font>" after the item, now has 
the English displayed properly, even after some Russian.

(Just in case there's anyone here newer than I am: the q(Arial) is a 
function, which I've put in the stack script, that's a shortcut to 
putting quotes around a string - makes expressions like these less 
messy; I'd seen it in Sarah Reichelt's XML tutorial and found it handy 
for things like this.)

What was curious (& confusing) is that the source text file, created by 
Rev from fields using 'put the HTMLText of field "myField"', has these 
language-specific tags (<font face="Geneva CY" lang="ru") before the 
Russian elements, but no such tags before the English. When I read the 
information back in from the text file to display in a field, it seems 
to work even with no language-specific tags for the Russian, but it 
does need them for displaying English that follows Russian.  Anyway, it 
all looks good now. Thanks!

best,

Curt


> Hi Curt,
>
> Before struggling with unicode, you have to build right html first:
> You set the htmlText of your field to a string which is not html but
> in fact usual text.
> For instance, tab in html is "&#9;" and "tab" in html is only a text
> string...
> In order to understand how translation can be made between html and
> usual text, you might be interested by downloading my Encoded Text
> Picker free plugin from my web-site (address below).
> It will allow you to translate any text from and to html
> automatically and then understand how to build your code properly :-)
> Take heart!
>
> Best Regards from Paris,
>
> Eric Chatonet.
Dr. Curtis Ford
Instructor of Russian and Linguistics
Dept. of Language, Literatures and Cultures
University of South Carolina
cford @ sc.edu



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sat Jul  9 09:01:24 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 15:01:24 +0200
Subject: mixed languages in a field: solved : )
In-Reply-To: <d2b66eba57540a30e86893ececef84aa@sc.edu>
References: <d2b66eba57540a30e86893ececef84aa@sc.edu>
Message-ID: <FAFC5C5B-364F-4648-A9E0-DE49DF955388@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Curt,

Glad to help you.

To be perfectly sure about your code, you could check your html  
building precisely:
You put your html built by script (as html) in the message box.
You paste this html text in the html pane of the Encoded Text Picker,  
switch to "Usual text" and back to HTML.
Then you compare both HTMLs: they should be the same ones :-)

Le 9 juil. 05 ? 13:38, Curtis Ford a ?crit :

> Hi Eric,
>
> Thanks - playing with your Encoded Text Picker gave me a fresh  
> sense of what to look at.. the actual characters for the Russian  
> were OK (they are 'entities' encoded by Rev in a separate part of  
> the project), but I had forgotten to provide font tags as well.  
> Adding "<font face" & q(Arial) & ">" before the item, and "</font>"  
> after the item, now has the English displayed properly, even after  
> some Russian.
>
> (Just in case there's anyone here newer than I am: the q(Arial) is  
> a function, which I've put in the stack script, that's a shortcut  
> to putting quotes around a string - makes expressions like these  
> less messy; I'd seen it in Sarah Reichelt's XML tutorial and found  
> it handy for things like this.)
>
> What was curious (& confusing) is that the source text file,  
> created by Rev from fields using 'put the HTMLText of field  
> "myField"', has these language-specific tags (<font face="Geneva  
> CY" lang="ru") before the Russian elements, but no such tags before  
> the English. When I read the information back in from the text file  
> to display in a field, it seems to work even with no language- 
> specific tags for the Russian, but it does need them for displaying  
> English that follows Russian.  Anyway, it all looks good now. Thanks!


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From jbondy at sover.net  Sat Jul  9 09:12:20 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 09:12:20 -0400
Subject: mark cards by finding -- new insights
In-Reply-To: <8F559747-F4D7-4C34-9BE2-649F1124F87A@danshafer.com>
References: <p06200703bef387f0a257@[10.0.1.2]>	<42CDE798.2080107@hyperactivesw.com>	<p06200701bef49154d5ab@[10.0.1.2]>	<09F10C96-3D38-440B-9E1D-9FBEF88C982B@sosmartsoftware.com>	<p06200703bef4a47d5357@[10.0.1.2]>	<9EC0049F-3B47-4318-A613-2350D8460610@sosmartsoftware.com>	<p06200700bef4cb516d06@[10.0.1.2]>
	<8F559747-F4D7-4C34-9BE2-649F1124F87A@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <42CFCD34.3050306@sover.net>

As critical as I am of Rev, from time to time, I have to say I've had no 
problems debugging my programs using the debugger.

:)

Jon


Dan Shafer wrote:

> Maybe it's of less worth, perhaps even only modest worth, but "no  
> worth"? A bit strong, I think.
>
> While the debugger has problems, I note that there are a LOT of  
> people here who have built some very sophisticated apps and managed  
> to stumble around enough to get the job done. A language is "no  
> worth" only if it can't produce useful products. Rev is WAY beyond  
> that point.
>
> On Jul 8, 2005, at 5:40 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:
>
>>> a fabulous language without a reliable debugger is no worth.
>>
>>
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author
> http://www.shafermedia.com
> Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
> From http://www.shafermedia.com/revolutionbooks.html
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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> subscription preferences:
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>


From jbondy at sover.net  Sat Jul  9 09:27:06 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 09:27:06 -0400
Subject: documentation mini-bug
In-Reply-To: <7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>	<1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net>
	<42CF01B4.4030406@sover.net>
	<7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <42CFD0AA.6000804@sover.net>

Mark:

First off, I know that the Rev folks monitor this list.  My point was 
that if they read about a bug, they need not simply ignore the report.

Secondly, if I am told about a bug, it is fixed, without prioritization: 
I just don't have that many bugs in released products.

Finally, I do have bug tracking software, but it is internal, not external.

Perhaps you are a real developer and I am not.  I couldn't say.

:)

Jon


Mark Wieder wrote:

>Jon-
>
>Friday, July 8, 2005, 3:44:04 PM, you wrote:
>
>J> Sorry, but I really think that ALL I should have to do is point it out.
>J> Really.  That's all my customers have to do.
>
>Excuse me? ALL your customers have to do is bitch somewhere on a
>listserv and their complaints magically get taken care of? You don't
>use any bugtracking tools to track and prioritize your work? You don't
>have any idea how often certain features have been suggested or the
>severity level of bugs? Oh, sorry, from some of your posts I almost
>had you mistaken for a real developer. My bad.
>
>  
>


From jbondy at sover.net  Sat Jul  9 09:39:25 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 09:39:25 -0400
Subject: mark cards by finding -- new insights
In-Reply-To: <8F559747-F4D7-4C34-9BE2-649F1124F87A@danshafer.com>
References: <p06200703bef387f0a257@[10.0.1.2]>	<42CDE798.2080107@hyperactivesw.com>	<p06200701bef49154d5ab@[10.0.1.2]>	<09F10C96-3D38-440B-9E1D-9FBEF88C982B@sosmartsoftware.com>	<p06200703bef4a47d5357@[10.0.1.2]>	<9EC0049F-3B47-4318-A613-2350D8460610@sosmartsoftware.com>	<p06200700bef4cb516d06@[10.0.1.2]>
	<8F559747-F4D7-4C34-9BE2-649F1124F87A@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <42CFD38D.8000803@sover.net>

As critical as I am of Rev, from time to time, I have to say I've had no
problems debugging my programs using the debugger.

:)

Jon


Dan Shafer wrote:

> Maybe it's of less worth, perhaps even only modest worth, but "no  
> worth"? A bit strong, I think.
>
> While the debugger has problems, I note that there are a LOT of  
> people here who have built some very sophisticated apps and managed  
> to stumble around enough to get the job done. A language is "no  
> worth" only if it can't produce useful products. Rev is WAY beyond  
> that point.
>
> On Jul 8, 2005, at 5:40 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:
>
>>> a fabulous language without a reliable debugger is no worth.
>>
>>
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author
> http://www.shafermedia.com
> Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
> From http://www.shafermedia.com/revolutionbooks.html
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
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>
>



From jbondy at sover.net  Sat Jul  9 09:39:45 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 09:39:45 -0400
Subject: documentation mini-bug
In-Reply-To: <7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>	<1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net>
	<42CF01B4.4030406@sover.net>
	<7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <42CFD3A1.3060006@sover.net>

Mark:

First off, I know that the Rev folks monitor this list.  My point was
that if they read about a bug, they need not simply ignore the report.

Secondly, if I am told about a bug, it is fixed, without prioritization:
I just don't have that many bugs in released products.

Finally, I do have bug tracking software, but it is internal, not external.

Perhaps you are a real developer and I am not.  I couldn't say.

:)

Jon


Mark Wieder wrote:

>Jon-
>
>Friday, July 8, 2005, 3:44:04 PM, you wrote:
>
>J> Sorry, but I really think that ALL I should have to do is point it out.
>J> Really.  That's all my customers have to do.
>
>Excuse me? ALL your customers have to do is bitch somewhere on a
>listserv and their complaints magically get taken care of? You don't
>use any bugtracking tools to track and prioritize your work? You don't
>have any idea how often certain features have been suggested or the
>severity level of bugs? Oh, sorry, from some of your posts I almost
>had you mistaken for a real developer. My bad.
>
>  
>



From jbondy at sover.net  Sat Jul  9 09:39:54 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 09:39:54 -0400
Subject: spreadsheet-like tables
In-Reply-To: <42CFB4C0.1020205@tweedly.net>
References: <42CF1C31.9060007@sover.net> <42CFB4C0.1020205@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <42CFD3AA.4030903@sover.net>

thank you, Alex!

:)

Jon

Alex Tweedly wrote:

> Jon wrote:
>
>> I want to port a simple (!) program that has a "database record" for 
>> each row in a user viewable (and possibly editable) table. The data 
>> may have to be sorted in more than one fashion, and some fields may 
>> have to have different colored backgrounds or text.   Some fields 
>> might be editable in the table, while other fields (memos) might be 
>> edited in a single field at the bottom, where the current record has 
>> the memo contents displayed (I hope this is clearly explained).  
>> Given that I have no compatible databases on my Windows system (that 
>> I know of!), I may not actually choose to use a database, but perhaps 
>> some other approach (text file(s), multiple cards (something I do not 
>> understand very well), etc)..
>>
>> So.  Two questions.
>>
>> First off, what is the best way to present the user with tabular 
>> data?  I tried the "table", and it has lots of problems, at least the 
>> way I did it <sick grin>.  Any sample stacks out there for me to 
>> study?  I had the most trouble allowing the user to edit the data: 
>> the appearance of the table went to hell when the user started 
>> modifying a field in the table.
>
>
> If you can live with one limitation, I think the easiest answer is to 
> use Chipp's altHeader plugin. It provides headers for  columnar data, 
> allows for resizing of the columns, makes it easy (or automatic - I 
> don't remember) to sort by different columns, etc.  Only thing I 
> wanted and didn't find was column re-ordering (i.e. selecting the 
> third column's heading, and drag-and-dropping it to make it now be the 
> fifth column).
>
> The limitation is that, as far as I know, you can't have different 
> fields in different colours - though it may be possible to program 
> that yourself.
>
> You mentioned "memo" fields - I'd be inclined to keep them out of the 
> tabular display completely, so that only the "current" record has its 
> memo field(s) displayed at the bottom.
>
>> Secondly, are there any simple databases that "come with" Windows?  
>> Any freebie databases that can be (easily?) installed on Windows?  
>> Any resource I should have consulted before posting this 
>> probably-redundant question?
>>
> How much data do you have to deal with ? You can go a long way with 
> CSV files (actually, use TABs or some other character that won't 
> appear in your data, not commas, as your separator - makes things much 
> easier), and the speed of text manipulation and searching in Rev will 
> allow this to scale quite a long way.
>
> I wouldn't use the "data on cards" approach - I like to keep data and 
> code separate, and to have the data in a format that can be readily 
> accessed by other tools if needed.
>
> You should look at SDB (Serendipity Database-Binary). I have failed 
> utterly to get it to work for me, in spite of trying seriously 3 or 4 
> times - but I know others have succeed, so it may be just me that 
> thinks differently and can't understand the docs, or my system set-up 
> that is peculiar, or something. (If ever there was a product that 
> needed a detailed step-by-step set of instructions for installing it, 
> SDB is it.  I would have a go at writing it - except that I can't 
> figure it out well enough to do it myself :-)  So if you try this and 
> succeed - you owe me a write-up on the exact steps you took ....
>
>
> Alternatively, stretching the definition of "simple", install MySQL or 
> PostgreSQL. Free (beware mySQL ceases to be free if your app is a 
> commercial app, in some complicated way), and both come well packaged 
> for Windows, and with lots of books, articles, support available, etc. 
> - but not quite "simple".
>
> Or pay a modest sum for altSQLite.
>
> Or write your own extneral to interface to sqlite.
>
> Or .....
> or just use CSV files :-)
>


From jbondy at sover.net  Sat Jul  9 09:59:13 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 09:59:13 -0400
Subject: message box problem
Message-ID: <42CFD831.3020509@sover.net>

I've not used the message box much before. I just tried to enter a 
phrase ("the owner of the target"), to see what its value was.  I 
probably am using the MB incorrectly, but in any event, I can only type 
one word before the keyboard stops working: if I try to type "the owner 
of..." I only see "the"; if I try to type "owner of...." I only see 
"owner"; if I try to type "the owner of..." I only see ""the".

I must be missing something.  Too bad there's no help button on the 
Message box.  I thought you could type any Rev statement in there and it 
would be evaluated.  I just looked up "message box" in the dictionary, 
and all it says is that it evaluates expressions.

:(

Jon


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sat Jul  9 10:05:55 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 16:05:55 +0200
Subject: message box problem
In-Reply-To: <42CFD831.3020509@sover.net>
References: <42CFD831.3020509@sover.net>
Message-ID: <8837EF6F-ECFA-4A07-B1F1-CA2CB05A45D2@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Jon,

Work perfectly here: the owner of the target is card "Single Line"  
which is true since the target is the field where you type.
Restarting Rev, may be without plug-ins open at start-up and any  
stack open might help you to find where is the dysfunction.
But I don't think it's in the Rev IDE but elsewhere in "third  
parties" products.. as your own open stacks :-)

Le 9 juil. 05 ? 15:59, Jon a ?crit :

> I've not used the message box much before. I just tried to enter a  
> phrase ("the owner of the target"), to see what its value was.  I  
> probably am using the MB incorrectly, but in any event, I can only  
> type one word before the keyboard stops working: if I try to type  
> "the owner of..." I only see "the"; if I try to type "owner of...."  
> I only see "owner"; if I try to type "the owner of..." I only see  
> ""the".

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From douggilliland at gmail.com  Sat Jul  9 10:22:10 2005
From: douggilliland at gmail.com (Douglas Gilliland)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 10:22:10 -0400
Subject: Making an image draggable
Message-ID: <890e3d2605070907226bf0de50@mail.gmail.com>

I know it must be easy but I cannot figure out the script to make an
image of a metric ruler draggable so my students can drag it around
the screen to measure items in a quiz stack I am writing.
Tried several variations of the following script:
on mousedown
make image "ruler.jpg" draggable
end mousedown

Thanks for any help for this newbe.
Doug Gilliland


From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Sat Jul  9 10:29:59 2005
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 09:29:59 -0500
Subject: documentation mini-bug
In-Reply-To: <7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>	<1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net>
	<42CF01B4.4030406@sover.net>
	<7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <42CFDF67.9030504@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:
> Excuse me? ALL your customers have to do is bitch somewhere on a
> listserv and their complaints magically get taken care of? You don't
> use any bugtracking tools to track and prioritize your work? You don't
> have any idea how often certain features have been suggested or the
> severity level of bugs? Oh, sorry, from some of your posts I almost
> had you mistaken for a real developer. My bad.

I happen to agree with Jon.  I have noticed that people are more likely 
to complain publicly about a product than contacting it's manufacturer 
and informing them of their trouble.


Example #1:  My friend swears up and down that Ford trucks are the best 
and Chevy trucks are the worst.  He owned 1 Chevy truck, then 2 Fords, 
and did he contact Chevy to tell them about the problems that his truck 
had...nope.

Example #2:  An ex-girlfriend of mine detests the Applebees restaurant 
because she got a chicken sandwich and it wasn't cooked all the way. 
Now she tells everyone how bad Applebees is.  Did she talk to the 
manager or write the company to let them know there was a problem...nope.

Example #3:  90% of the people I know in the computer world are 
unsatisfied with Microsoft Windows (All Versions).  Have they ever 
written a letter or email to let Microsoft know about the bugs that they 
experienced...nope. (In most cases they would either switch to a Mac or 
just live with it hoping that Microsoft would read their minds.)


I too have received complaints about my software, as well as bug 
reports, but in the end the best way I've been able to see what people 
want is to read the reviews that people post about my program.  Whether 
it be on CNET.com or some random bulletin board.  And you know 
what...I've seen more public posts than emails or letters combined.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
_______________________________________________
Compress Photos for the Web with JPEGCompress
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sat Jul  9 10:33:57 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 09:33:57 -0500
Subject: preserve vertical white space in XML?
In-Reply-To: <D040C613-32A2-40EC-A15D-888C438C7CD7@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <BEF54A85.4F18%kray@sonsothunder.com>


> Is there a way to preserve the single cr's in the original? Otherwise
> I have to a) live with it b) open them in BBEdit and run a format
> function to get them back to a readable state--each child node on
> it's own line...

One alternative is to use my Transcript-based XML Library which will
preserve white space, but the current version works differently than revXML
(i.e. it works with nodes and children instead of an XPATH). If you're
interested, check it out...

http://www.sonsothunder.com/products/metacard/xmllib.htm

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/





From see3d at writeme.com  Sat Jul  9 10:33:52 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 10:33:52 -0400
Subject: Intersecting data question/challenge
In-Reply-To: <4FBBD910-9EF0-44F1-88AC-47E0FDE7F5DA@scarlet.be>
References: <BEF491E7.21B35%rgriffit@ctc.net>
	<4FBBD910-9EF0-44F1-88AC-47E0FDE7F5DA@scarlet.be>
Message-ID: <A883FD3E-6A73-4714-83C3-C6F1134B6D2D@writeme.com>


On Jul 8, 2005, at 10:57 PM, Buster wrote:

> Hi Raymond, Dennis and everybody else,
>
>
> The way proposed by Dennis is indeed the fastest on not too large  
> amounts of data.
> So it is only fair to test the other way around too and try Dennis  
> proposal on the same amount of data on which Raymond used his handler
> Raymond's handler is a neat trick.
> Though it is at least 2 times slower than a replace + split  method.
>
> Greetings,
> Wouter

Wouter,

Nice script for comparing the different methods.  However, you have  
changed the original problem from a true/false test if there was a  
match of any items in two arrays to returning an intersect of the  
data.  That is Ok and a useful operation to understand, but it does  
skew the results in a different way.  If I apply the original  
criteria, the repeat for each completes as soon as it finds the first  
match.  With the random data in your example, that usually happens in  
much less time than than the other two methods.

Dennis

From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sat Jul  9 10:36:16 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 09:36:16 -0500
Subject: Making an image draggable
In-Reply-To: <890e3d2605070907226bf0de50@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BEF54B10.4F19%kray@sonsothunder.com>

> Tried several variations of the following script:
> on mousedown
> make image "ruler.jpg" draggable
> end mousedown

-- Script of ruler image
on mouseDown
  grab me
end mouseDown

Now this doesn't have any constraints, but it works very well...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/




From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sat Jul  9 10:37:48 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 16:37:48 +0200
Subject: Making an image draggable
In-Reply-To: <890e3d2605070907226bf0de50@mail.gmail.com>
References: <890e3d2605070907226bf0de50@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <982F0B5F-244A-43BB-B0D9-BDD9F086C9CD@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Doug,

Here is a script I use in all my plug-ins to make their window  
"draggable":

local lAllowDrag -- local variable used by all handlers in the script
---------------------------------
on mouseDown
   put the mouseH & comma & the mouseV into lAllowDrag
end mouseDown
---------------------------------
on mouseMove x,y
   if lAllowDrag is empty then exit mouseMove
   set the topLeft of this stack to globalLoc(x - item 1 of  
lAllowDrag & comma & y - item 2 of lAllowDrag)
   -- in the script of your image: set the topLeft of me to...
end mouseMove
---------------------------------
on mouseUp
   put empty into lAllowDrag
end mouseUp
---------------------------------
on mouseRelease
   put empty into lAllowDrag
end mouseRelease
---------------------------------
on mouseLeave
   put empty into lAllowDrag
end mouseLeave

BTW I think you could put your image into a sub-stack without  
decorations (same dimensions as your image): this would allow to move  
the ruler all around the screen and not only in the current window :-)
More, let the image in your main stack and use a button in the sub- 
stack the icon of which is the ID of your image: this would allow you  
to clone the sub-stack (if needed) and provide as many rulers you  
want on screen at the same time...

Le 9 juil. 05 ? 16:22, Douglas Gilliland a ?crit :

> I know it must be easy but I cannot figure out the script to make an
> image of a metric ruler draggable so my students can drag it around
> the screen to measure items in a quiz stack I am writing.
> Tried several variations of the following script:
> on mousedown
> make image "ruler.jpg" draggable
> end mousedown

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From rev at armbase.com  Sat Jul  9 10:41:29 2005
From: rev at armbase.com (Bob Hartley)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 15:41:29 +0100
Subject: Making an image draggable
In-Reply-To: <BEF54B10.4F19%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <BEF54B10.4F19%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <gemini.ijd7h500gt0p102nc.rev@armbase.com>

You wrote:

> > Tried several variations of the following script: on mousedown make
> > image "ruler.jpg" draggable end mousedown
> 
> -- Script of ruler image on mouseDown
>   grab me
> end mouseDown
> 
> Now this doesn't have any constraints, but it works very well...

Or only dragable when the control key is down

on mouseDown
    if the controlKey is down then
      grab me
      end if
end mouseDown

Cheers
Bob


From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Sat Jul  9 10:43:40 2005
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 09:43:40 -0500
Subject: Making an image draggable
In-Reply-To: <890e3d2605070907226bf0de50@mail.gmail.com>
References: <890e3d2605070907226bf0de50@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42CFE29C.2020809@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Douglas Gilliland wrote:
> I know it must be easy but I cannot figure out the script to make an
> image of a metric ruler draggable so my students can drag it around
> the screen to measure items in a quiz stack I am writing.

You could try the following...

1.  Create a separate stack.
2.  Place the "ruler.jpg" image on the stack.
3.  Resize the stack so it is the same dimensions as the image.
4.  Set the windowDecorations to empty
5.  Add the following to the stack's script...

local sgDragging
local sgOffset

on mouseDown
   put true into sgDragging
   put the mouseLoc into sgOffset
end mouseDown

on mouseMove
   if sgDragging then
     set the topLeft of this stack to \
     item 1 of the screenMouseLoc - item 1 of sgOffset, \
     item 2 of the screenMouseLoc - item 2 of sgOffset
   end if
end mouseMove

on mouseUp
   put false into sgDragging
end mouseUp

on mouseRelease
   put false into sgDragging
end mouseRelease


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
_______________________________________________
Compress Photos for the Web with JPEGCompress
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/


From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Sat Jul  9 10:44:23 2005
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 10:44:23 -0400
Subject: PODCASTING WITH RUNREV
Message-ID: <BEF55B07.D0D1%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

Is anyone writing a stack for doing podcasting?  Presently it takes a
combination of six programs to make and edit podcasts on OSX.

Audacity to edit
Garage band to record
Itunes to convert and save as MP3
SoundFlower to redirect everything for mixing mike, music etc.
Ichat for incorporating interviews (using Jabber or AIM)
SoundBed so you can monitor everything in your headphones.

And then you have to do shenanigans to get the RS 2.0 feed up.

-- It looks like an "all in one" program for making PodCasts would be a
viable project.


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From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Sat Jul  9 10:52:23 2005
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 09:52:23 -0500
Subject: PODCASTING WITH RUNREV
In-Reply-To: <BEF55B07.D0D1%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
References: <BEF55B07.D0D1%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
Message-ID: <42CFE4A7.9070700@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Bill wrote:
> -- It looks like an "all in one" program for making PodCasts would be a
> viable project.

:) First rule of developing software is you don't tell everyone about 
your ideas unless your 100% sure you can't do it yourself.

It's a great idea.  Personally I've never understood Podcasting.  IMHO 
it sounds to me like nothing more than an MP3 copied to an iPod.  To do 
this I would say look into the following...

Can you record a MP3 with QuickTime utilizing the EnhancedQT External. 
If not, can you convert an AIFF or WAV file to MP3 or Apple Lossless 
utilizing the EnhancedQT External.  If you can do that, you've solved 
90% of the problem.  The rest, as you said, would be the RSS feed.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
_______________________________________________
Compress Photos for the Web with JPEGCompress
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/



From see3d at writeme.com  Sat Jul  9 11:05:59 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 11:05:59 -0400
Subject: documentation mini-bug
In-Reply-To: <42CFDF67.9030504@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>
	<1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net> <42CF01B4.4030406@sover.net>
	<7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>
	<42CFDF67.9030504@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <D493AAB8-2A28-440D-B2E1-847FCB7CB2DF@writeme.com>


On Jul 9, 2005, at 10:29 AM, Derek Bump wrote:

> Mark Wieder wrote:
>
>> Excuse me? ALL your customers have to do is bitch somewhere on a
>> listserv and their complaints magically get taken care of? You don't
>> use any bugtracking tools to track and prioritize your work? You  
>> don't
>> have any idea how often certain features have been suggested or the
>> severity level of bugs? Oh, sorry, from some of your posts I almost
>> had you mistaken for a real developer. My bad.
>>
>
> I happen to agree with Jon.  I have noticed that people are more  
> likely to complain publicly about a product than contacting it's  
> manufacturer and informing them of their trouble.
>
>
> Example #1:  My friend swears up and down that Ford trucks are the  
> best and Chevy trucks are the worst.  He owned 1 Chevy truck, then  
> 2 Fords, and did he contact Chevy to tell them about the problems  
> that his truck had...nope.
>
> Example #2:  An ex-girlfriend of mine detests the Applebees  
> restaurant because she got a chicken sandwich and it wasn't cooked  
> all the way. Now she tells everyone how bad Applebees is.  Did she  
> talk to the manager or write the company to let them know there was  
> a problem...nope.
>
> Example #3:  90% of the people I know in the computer world are  
> unsatisfied with Microsoft Windows (All Versions).  Have they ever  
> written a letter or email to let Microsoft know about the bugs that  
> they experienced...nope. (In most cases they would either switch to  
> a Mac or just live with it hoping that Microsoft would read their  
> minds.)
>
>
> I too have received complaints about my software, as well as bug  
> reports, but in the end the best way I've been able to see what  
> people want is to read the reviews that people post about my  
> program.  Whether it be on CNET.com or some random bulletin board.   
> And you know what...I've seen more public posts than emails or  
> letters combined.
>
>
> Derek Bump
> Dreamscape Software

There are two sides to this.  How many times has someone complained  
of a bug on this list only to find (with the help of the good folks  
here) that it was programmer error?  Does Rev have a person with no  
other responsibilities than monitoring every message and following  
all the threads for days or weeks to their logical conclusion to see  
if it was in fact something "they" need to add to the bug list?

The point is that there is a good system in place for the independent  
members of this list to discuss their problems, find a logical cause  
and do something about it --fix the program, fix the misconception,  
make a formal bug report in due time after reflecting on the  
situation and performing tests, and at times even providing patches  
to the IDE.

The bug report is the conclusion of a collaborative process that  
helps RunRev understand how to produce the bug on different machines  
and how severe it is (no workarounds).  We are helping ourselves by  
following this process, because we are helping RunRev focus their  
resources on fixing the severe problems instead of scattering their  
resources on trying to track all the conversations on this list -- 
then monitoring the bug reports to see if a valid one was not  
generated within x days.

We know that RunRev does have technical people "monitoring" this  
list, and they do take action before the bug reports are filed when  
something causes a big stir on the list.  So they are not just doing  
nothing until a bug report is filed.  But we must also take  
responsibility for our threads.  The person who reports the problem  
in a thread, should make a BZ entry when it has been determined that  
it really is a bug, or ask one of the other confirmers to do it if  
they don't feel able to do it.

We are not just idle gossipers and malcontents, we are users with a  
vested interest in seeing bugs fixed and new features added that make  
our lives easier.

Dennis


From mark at maseurope.net  Sat Jul  9 11:06:54 2005
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 16:06:54 +0100
Subject: documentation mini-bug
In-Reply-To: <42CFD0AA.6000804@sover.net>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>	<1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net>
	<42CF01B4.4030406@sover.net>
	<7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>
	<42CFD0AA.6000804@sover.net>
Message-ID: <cb252af0174075f1a79d5eb415e2a1e0@maseurope.net>


On 9 Jul 2005, at 14:27, Jon wrote:

> Mark:
>
> First off, I know that the Rev folks monitor this list.  My point was 
> that if they read about a bug, they need not simply ignore the report.

But remember that the lists purpose is not for communicating with 
RunRev. Don't be surprised that it is not good for that purpose. And 
since it is certain that the vast majority of readers of the list do 
not work for RunRev, we must all choose our tone to reflect that. 
Obviously, it is pointless (and rude) to adopt a complaining or 
sarcastic tone with the list.

>
> Secondly, if I am told about a bug, it is fixed, without 
> prioritization: I just don't have that many bugs in released products.

I don't know, of course, but might it be that you are not currently 
developing anything quite as large and complex as a multi-platform, 
general purpose programming language and IDE?

> Finally, I do have bug tracking software, but it is internal, not 
> external.
>
> Perhaps you are a real developer and I am not.  I couldn't say.
>
> :)
>
> Jon
>

Cheers,

Mark Smith



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sat Jul  9 11:16:04 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 17:16:04 +0200
Subject: documentation mini-bug
In-Reply-To: <D493AAB8-2A28-440D-B2E1-847FCB7CB2DF@writeme.com>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>
	<1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net>
	<42CF01B4.4030406@sover.net>
	<7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>
	<42CFDF67.9030504@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<D493AAB8-2A28-440D-B2E1-847FCB7CB2DF@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <E9483B6A-110D-4516-B49C-60BD518863A5@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hello Dennis and all,

Agreed a thousand times :-)
I have already tried - with my bad English -  to tell this on the  
list 2 or 3 times.
Newbies or not, we have to learn to always follow the process you  
describe to not overload bugzilla with our peculiar  
misunderstandings :-)

Le 9 juil. 05 ? 17:05, Dennis Brown a ?crit :

> But we must also take responsibility for our threads.  The person  
> who reports the problem in a thread, should make a BZ entry when it  
> has been determined that it really is a bug, or ask one of the  
> other confirmers to do it if they don't feel able to do it.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Sat Jul  9 11:21:44 2005
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 10:21:44 -0500
Subject: documentation mini-bug
In-Reply-To: <D493AAB8-2A28-440D-B2E1-847FCB7CB2DF@writeme.com>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>	<1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net>
	<42CF01B4.4030406@sover.net>	<7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>	<42CFDF67.9030504@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<D493AAB8-2A28-440D-B2E1-847FCB7CB2DF@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <42CFEB88.2080004@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Dennis Brown wrote:
> The point is that there is a good system in place for the independent  
> members of this list to discuss their problems, find a logical cause  
> and do something about it --fix the program, fix the misconception,  
> make a formal bug report in due time after reflecting on the  situation 
> and performing tests, and at times even providing patches  to the IDE.

I agree with you on this (and everything else you wrote) as well.  This 
list is a user-based forum that happens to be monitored by the folks at 
RunRev.  The responsibility is still ours for utilizing BZ to attempt to 
get the issues we regard as high priority fixed.

I just wanted to bring up the point that many companies often make the 
mistake of not utilizing all forums to fix bugs or implement enhancements.

The folks at RunRev do in fact react to what we say in here.  I can 
remember on many occasions getting an email from Heather in regards to 
the comments I've posted on the list but never in BZ.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
_______________________________________________
Compress Photos for the Web with JPEGCompress
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/


From jbondy at sover.net  Sat Jul  9 11:38:19 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 11:38:19 -0400
Subject: documentation mini-bug
In-Reply-To: <D493AAB8-2A28-440D-B2E1-847FCB7CB2DF@writeme.com>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>	<1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net>
	<42CF01B4.4030406@sover.net>	<7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>	<42CFDF67.9030504@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<D493AAB8-2A28-440D-B2E1-847FCB7CB2DF@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <42CFEF6B.3000403@sover.net>



Dennis Brown wrote:

> There are two sides to this.  How many times has someone complained  
> of a bug on this list only to find (with the help of the good folks  
> here) that it was programmer error?  Does Rev have a person with no  
> other responsibilities than monitoring every message and following  
> all the threads for days or weeks to their logical conclusion to see  
> if it was in fact something "they" need to add to the bug list?


Well said, Dennis...

Jon




From jbondy at sover.net  Sat Jul  9 11:39:17 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 11:39:17 -0400
Subject: documentation mini-bug
In-Reply-To: <cb252af0174075f1a79d5eb415e2a1e0@maseurope.net>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>	<1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net>	<42CF01B4.4030406@sover.net>	<7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>	<42CFD0AA.6000804@sover.net>
	<cb252af0174075f1a79d5eb415e2a1e0@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <42CFEFA5.9060505@sover.net>



Mark Smith wrote:

> I don't know, of course, but might it be that you are not currently 
> developing anything quite as large and complex as a multi-platform, 
> general purpose programming language and IDE?


Oh that I were!  I get your point.

:)

Jon


From douggilliland at gmail.com  Sat Jul  9 11:52:42 2005
From: douggilliland at gmail.com (Douglas Gilliland)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 11:52:42 -0400
Subject: Making an image draggable
In-Reply-To: <42CFE29C.2020809@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <890e3d2605070907226bf0de50@mail.gmail.com>
	<42CFE29C.2020809@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <890e3d260507090852f1167df@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to all - it's great to have this as a resource for learning transcript.
The following script works great. 
on mouseDown
 grab me
end mouseDown
I will also try the others just to learn more about Revolution.
Thanks again.
Doug Gilliland
Sarasota, Fl
dodging the bullet with hurricane Dennis :>)

On 7/9/05, Derek Bump <webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com> wrote:
> Douglas Gilliland wrote:
> > I know it must be easy but I cannot figure out the script to make an
> > image of a metric ruler draggable so my students can drag it around
> > the screen to measure items in a quiz stack I am writing.
> 
> You could try the following...
> 
> 1.  Create a separate stack.
> 2.  Place the "ruler.jpg" image on the stack.
> 3.  Resize the stack so it is the same dimensions as the image.
> 4.  Set the windowDecorations to empty
> 5.  Add the following to the stack's script...
> 
> local sgDragging
> local sgOffset
> 
> on mouseDown
>    put true into sgDragging
>    put the mouseLoc into sgOffset
> end mouseDown
> 
> on mouseMove
>    if sgDragging then
>      set the topLeft of this stack to \
>      item 1 of the screenMouseLoc - item 1 of sgOffset, \
>      item 2 of the screenMouseLoc - item 2 of sgOffset
>    end if
> end mouseMove
> 
> on mouseUp
>    put false into sgDragging
> end mouseUp
> 
> on mouseRelease
>    put false into sgDragging
> end mouseRelease
> 
> 
> Derek Bump
> Dreamscape Software
> _______________________________________________
> Compress Photos for the Web with JPEGCompress
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/
>


From revdan at danshafer.com  Sat Jul  9 12:28:59 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 09:28:59 -0700
Subject: message box problem
In-Reply-To: <42CFD831.3020509@sover.net>
References: <42CFD831.3020509@sover.net>
Message-ID: <CD268B11-7874-4E2D-B898-51EE50D222E0@danshafer.com>

Jon.....

Definitely an anomaly related to something local to your situation.  
Message Box has worked well from the very early releases.

Dan

On Jul 9, 2005, at 6:59 AM, Jon wrote:

> I've not used the message box much before. I just tried to enter a  
> phrase ("the owner of the target"), to see what its value was.  I  
> probably am using the MB incorrectly, but in any event, I can only  
> type one word before the keyboard stops working: if I try to type  
> "the owner of..." I only see "the"; if I try to type "owner of...."  
> I only see "owner"; if I try to type "the owner of..." I only see  
> ""the".
>
> I must be missing something.  Too bad there's no help button on the  
> Message box.  I thought you could type any Rev statement in there  
> and it would be evaluated.  I just looked up "message box" in the  
> dictionary, and all it says is that it evaluates expressions.
>
> :(
>
> Jon
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From revdan at danshafer.com  Sat Jul  9 12:34:17 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 09:34:17 -0700
Subject: documentation mini-bug
In-Reply-To: <42CFDF67.9030504@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>	<1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net>
	<42CF01B4.4030406@sover.net>
	<7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>
	<42CFDF67.9030504@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <AB504C34-17C2-4123-A7D6-F0EE46F4C959@danshafer.com>

I think this is a case where it's not an either-or, but a both-and.

Customers will complain in all kinds of places. A company with  
appropriate resources should attempt to monitor major lists -- most  
particularly one like this that they host -- for negative feedback  
and translate that feedback into bug reports for the development  
staff as often as possible.

OTOH, users who care about the product -- and I certainly agree with  
Mark here that they are few and far between although there seem to be  
a disproportionate number around this place! -- should and most often  
will use the official bug reporting mechanism, provided that  
mechanism isn't a nightmare.

My problem is that Revzilla/Bugzilla is a user interface nightmare  
that more often than not confuses me more than the bug I'm trying to  
report. So I'd say that unless I find a bug that's really severe, I  
find a way to work around it, post something here and get on with my  
programming life.

So, Jon, you're not entirely wrong here. From off-list communications  
we have had I know you are a serious developer (Mark was probably  
just in a bad mood; he's a genuinely nice guy) but one who doesn't  
(yet at least) have a passionate supportive feeling about Revolution.  
Hopefully you'll be able to find the time to develop such a feeling.


On Jul 9, 2005, at 7:29 AM, Derek Bump wrote:

> Mark Wieder wrote:
>
>> Excuse me? ALL your customers have to do is bitch somewhere on a
>> listserv and their complaints magically get taken care of? You don't
>> use any bugtracking tools to track and prioritize your work? You  
>> don't
>> have any idea how often certain features have been suggested or the
>> severity level of bugs? Oh, sorry, from some of your posts I almost
>> had you mistaken for a real developer. My bad.
>>
>
> I happen to agree with Jon.  I have noticed that people are more  
> likely to complain publicly about a product than contacting it's  
> manufacturer and informing them of their trouble.
>
>
> Example #1:  My friend swears up and down that Ford trucks are the  
> best and Chevy trucks are the worst.  He owned 1 Chevy truck, then  
> 2 Fords, and did he contact Chevy to tell them about the problems  
> that his truck had...nope.
>
> Example #2:  An ex-girlfriend of mine detests the Applebees  
> restaurant because she got a chicken sandwich and it wasn't cooked  
> all the way. Now she tells everyone how bad Applebees is.  Did she  
> talk to the manager or write the company to let them know there was  
> a problem...nope.
>
> Example #3:  90% of the people I know in the computer world are  
> unsatisfied with Microsoft Windows (All Versions).  Have they ever  
> written a letter or email to let Microsoft know about the bugs that  
> they experienced...nope. (In most cases they would either switch to  
> a Mac or just live with it hoping that Microsoft would read their  
> minds.)
>
>
> I too have received complaints about my software, as well as bug  
> reports, but in the end the best way I've been able to see what  
> people want is to read the reviews that people post about my  
> program.  Whether it be on CNET.com or some random bulletin board.   
> And you know what...I've seen more public posts than emails or  
> letters combined.
>
>
> Derek Bump
> Dreamscape Software
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/
>
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>



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author
http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
 From http://www.shafermedia.com/revolutionbooks.html






From revdan at danshafer.com  Sat Jul  9 12:35:31 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 09:35:31 -0700
Subject: PODCASTING WITH RUNREV
In-Reply-To: <BEF55B07.D0D1%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
References: <BEF55B07.D0D1%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
Message-ID: <54B05B51-71CF-43C7-96F6-F293DD4253A8@danshafer.com>

I believe Andre Garzia is working on such a project. I seem to recall  
him showing some of it at RevCon West in Monterey last month. He's  
been invisible here lately. Probably caught another of those famous  
Brazilian bugs.


On Jul 9, 2005, at 7:44 AM, Bill wrote:

> Is anyone writing a stack for doing podcasting?  Presently it takes a
> combination of six programs to make and edit podcasts on OSX.
>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author
http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
 From http://www.shafermedia.com/revolutionbooks.html






From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jul  9 13:13:43 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 10:13:43 -0700
Subject: documentation mini-bug
In-Reply-To: <42CFDF67.9030504@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>
	<1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net> <42CF01B4.4030406@sover.net>
	<7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>
	<42CFDF67.9030504@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <1625487350.20050709101343@ahsoftware.net>

Derek-

Saturday, July 9, 2005, 7:29:59 AM, you wrote:

DB> Example #1:  My friend swears up and down that Ford trucks are the best
DB> Example #2:  An ex-girlfriend of mine detests the Applebees restaurant

...no need to take either of those reports seriously, though...

DB> Example #3:  90% of the people I know in the computer world are 
DB> unsatisfied with Microsoft Windows (All Versions).  Have they ever
DB> written a letter or email to let Microsoft know about the bugs that they
DB> experienced...nope. (In most cases they would either switch to a Mac or
DB> just live with it hoping that Microsoft would read their minds.)

This behavior is amplified by anyone's experience having contacted
Microsoft with a support problem. Responsiveness to bug reports is
part of the feedback loop in getting things taken care of. Response to
complaints on listservs and public fora is not, especially when many
of those end up being user issues.

DB> I too have received complaints about my software, as well as bug 
DB> reports, but in the end the best way I've been able to see what people
DB> want is to read the reviews that people post about my program.  Whether
DB> it be on CNET.com or some random bulletin board.  And you know 
DB> what...I've seen more public posts than emails or letters combined.

I don't know if that's the "best" way, but other than that I agree
that it's certainly a valid way (among others) of gathering input
about your product.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From larsbrehmer at mac.com  Sat Jul  9 13:36:42 2005
From: larsbrehmer at mac.com (Lars Brehmer)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 20:36:42 +0300
Subject: string:  finding and marking in custom properties
Message-ID: <2EE1090C-ACCE-4371-BCC0-F332569C4887@mac.com>

I can't seem to find help in the docs for this one, which is probably  
an extremely simple syntax question.

I have a find script that looks in the custom properties of the cards  
in a stack and marks the cards that match;

do some stuff
mark cds where (the findIt of me) is among the words of the ansP of  
this cd
do some more stuff

Now this works just fine but for several reasons I'd rather be  
looking for a string, not a word or a set of characters, but I can't  
get the syntax right.

mark cds by finding string (the findIt of me) in the ansP of this cd

this doesn't work and neither does any variation that I could come up  
with, same with "mark cds where string "xyz"....  The contents of  
these custom props are in uniEncode UTF8.  What am I doing wrong  
here?  It seems like it shouldn't be a problem.

Cheers,

Lars

From alex at tweedly.net  Sat Jul  9 14:15:03 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 19:15:03 +0100
Subject: documentation mini-bug
In-Reply-To: <AB504C34-17C2-4123-A7D6-F0EE46F4C959@danshafer.com>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>	<1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net>	<42CF01B4.4030406@sover.net>	<7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>	<42CFDF67.9030504@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<AB504C34-17C2-4123-A7D6-F0EE46F4C959@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <42D01427.20308@tweedly.net>

Dan Shafer wrote:

> My problem is that Revzilla/Bugzilla is a user interface nightmare  
> that more often than not confuses me more than the bug I'm trying to  
> report. So I'd say that unless I find a bug that's really severe, I  
> find a way to work around it, post something here and get on with my  
> programming life.
>
I have at least twice started to enter a Bugzilla and just given up (I 
went back the next day when I had more time to spare, and did them then 
- but it was a close call).

Most annoying thing is the difficulty of choosing a component - it 
always amazes me how many components there are, and *still* there isn't 
any obvious one to assign to the bug I'm reporting.

The "Post bug" card on Revzilla looks pretty clean - I'll use that next 
time I have a bug to submit and see how it works.

> So, Jon, you're not entirely wrong here. From off-list communications  
> we have had I know you are a serious developer (Mark was probably  
> just in a bad mood; he's a genuinely nice guy) but one who doesn't  
> (yet at least) have a passionate supportive feeling about Revolution.  
> Hopefully you'll be able to find the time to develop such a feeling.

The case I find Bugzilla most overhead for  is documentation bugs, which 
are often small and well-defined - no need for much description, you 
just need to say
'"caseSensitive" has been omitted from the "See also" section of the 
"sort container "command'
and everything else is just overhead.  I've taken to "reporting" these 
via Web Notes, on the assumption that anything reported in there will be 
rolled into the next release of the docs.

-- 
Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net



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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jul  9 15:00:38 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 14:00:38 -0500
Subject: string:  finding and marking in custom properties
In-Reply-To: <2EE1090C-ACCE-4371-BCC0-F332569C4887@mac.com>
References: <2EE1090C-ACCE-4371-BCC0-F332569C4887@mac.com>
Message-ID: <42D01ED6.3070909@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/9/05 12:36 PM, Lars Brehmer wrote:

> I have a find script that looks in the custom properties of the cards  
> in a stack and marks the cards that match;
> 
> do some stuff
> mark cds where (the findIt of me) is among the words of the ansP of  
> this cd
> do some more stuff
> 
> Now this works just fine but for several reasons I'd rather be  looking 
> for a string, not a word or a set of characters, but I can't  get the 
> syntax right.

Try:

mark cds where (the findIt of me) is in the ansP of this cd

> 
> mark cds by finding string (the findIt of me) in the ansP of this cd
> 
> this doesn't work and neither does any variation that I could come up  
> with, same with "mark cds where string "xyz"....  The contents of  these 
> custom props are in uniEncode UTF8.  What am I doing wrong  here?  It 
> seems like it shouldn't be a problem.

The "find" command only works in fields, not in custom properties, so 
you can't use this method.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From katir at hindu.org  Sat Jul  9 17:25:28 2005
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 11:25:28 -1000
Subject: Alert: Reading stdIn from POST in CGI's
Message-ID: <EE391743-6167-47CE-83F4-CC0BD7232C9E@hindu.org>

just and FYI alert: I'm pretty sure I have confirmed an old bug (once  
again) in revolution CGI  read stnIn from a POST returns empty.  
Newbies could get easily burned on this one if they didn't see this  
discussion recently.

Be sure to *always* use the form.

on startup

if $REQUEST_METHOD is "POST" then

     put "" into PostIn
     repeat until length(PostIn) >= $CONTENT_LENGTH
         read from stdin until ""
             put it after PostIn
       end repeat
     put  urlDecode (PostIn)  into tDataIn

     split tDataIn by "&" and "="
     put keys(tDataIn) into tFields

# where you use the $CONTENT_LENGTH to force reads on a repeat loop.

The following

on startup
if $REQUEST_METHOD is "POST" then
    read from stdin until empty
    put  urlDecode (it)  into tDataIn
    split tDataIn by "&" and "="

is guaranteed to fail, but only intermittently.  Symptom... no data  
at all passed to variable "it", even on a post with a trivial amt of  
data (name address, ph# and CC#). It does not seem to have anythng to  
do at all with

a) traffic
b) concurrent hits
c) amt of data posted

i.e. even a simple 3 name-value pair set:

name=katir
ph=822-7032
comment=test

can be posted and the read from stdIn fails. try again.. it works...  
try again, it works, try again, it fails...

Sivakatirswami






From alex at tweedly.net  Sat Jul  9 17:28:42 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 22:28:42 +0100
Subject: Remotes - the new, exciting alternative to Externals.
Message-ID: <42D0418A.5070109@tweedly.net>


I've been playing with writing externals for Revolution lately. It's 
been interesting. I'm very glad to know I can do it, and should I ever 
need to, I will. But I can't say it's been a lot of fun. Writing C code 
is frustrating and not very productive in the best of circumstances 
(e.g. supported by a symbolic debugger, protected processes, etc.) In 
the circumstance of running an external with Rev's IDE (where many 
errors cause immediate termination of the IDE, with no diagnostic info 
provided at all, far less any chance to debug), it is very unproductive. 
So while it's good to know that externals are possible for me, I also 
know that they are to be avoided if reasonable alternatives exist.

So I started looking for alternatives .....

Reasons to write externals in the first place.
1. to get access to hardware or other facilities not otherwise available
2. to get higher performance (e.g. matrix ops, image processing, etc.)
3. to take advantage of existing library packages
4. other significant but less common reasons

As described above, I don't like C (far less C++). The language I do 
like (assuming Transcript isn't an option) is Python.

Python is, in many ways, similar to Transcript. They're both scripting 
language, dynamic types (or typeless), associative arrays, etc. - that's 
largely why I like them both.  But they're also quite different, and 
complementary, in many ways. So, without falling into the trap of 
becoming a comparison between the two languages, I believe that a number 
of the reasons for writing an external would equally apply to using Python.

Of course, it would be difficult to write an actual external in Python. 
But I realized that one of the strengths of both Python and Transcript 
is that they have good, simple socket facilities. So I decided to try 
"Remotes" - socket-based Python add-ons to Transcript.

I wrote a small (30 lines) Python server which accepts "commands" over a 
TCP socket, and returns its result over the same TCP connection  (see 
the end of the email for the source code of the Python program). The 
"commands" are in fact snippets of Python code; so I can develop the 
Transcript stack and just change the snippets of Python to be sent and 
executed, without even restarting the server. So the whole process is as 
dynamic as Rev usually is.

As an example, I used the Python Imaging Library to calculate the 
Histogram of a JPEG, done as two steps (to avoid making it too easy). So 
there are two buttons - one to open and specify a file, the other to 
calculate th histogram for it.
The script of the first button is

> on mouseUp
>   local t
>   answer file empty with filter "JPEGs,*.jpg"
>   put it into theFile
>   put "import PIL.Image" & cr \
>       & "from PIL import *" & cr \
>       & "global im" & cr \
>       & "im = Image.open(" & quote & theFile & quote & ")" & cr  into 
> theScript
>   put theScript & cr & "endofscript" & cr into t
>   reStart
>  
>   SendPacket t
> end mouseUp

While the second is

> on mouseUp
>   local t
>   reStart
>   put "hi = im.histogram()" & cr \
>       & "return_result_list(wfile, hi)" into theScript
>   put theScript & cr & "endofscript" & cr into t
>   SendPacket t
> end mouseUp

Notes.
1. The "restart" handler is used to reset any open sockets, then open 
the socket to the Python server. It could be done more efficiently, but 
this was simpler (reusing some socket code I had lying around).
2. sendPacket sends the data in a packet, waits for the reply and puts 
the response into a field so I can check it is getting back the right 
answers. It also gives me the time between sending the packet and 
receiving the end of the result.

Results ?

First, and most importantly, it succeeded in the primary aim. I was able 
to make use of a library that exists and provides a lot of functionality 
that wouldn't otherwise have been available to me. And it allowed me to 
do so without writing C :-)

Second, it was reasonably easy to debug; each of the client and server 
could be run independently, with trace or debug output or using a 
debugger. The ability to track what was going on by monitoring the 
packets sent was very helpful.

Third, the efficiency was very good. The time for the whole operation 
(two  x  socket open + send + read) was around 42 msecs for the sample 
photo being used earlier (the one that took 1250 ms in Transcript). More 
importantly, a large photo took 480 msec versus 500 msecs for the naive 
C external.  Remember the imageData is NOT being passed over the 
interface;the filename is passed instead, and the Python code opens and 
reads the jpeg file. The jpeg file is around 1.5 Mb.
Note this photo is 3008 x 2008, so the imageData is 24 Mb. I tried 
passing the imageData and that added 250 msecs to the overall time - so 
even with that, it's still within 50% of the speed of a straightforward 
C implementation.

Fourth, it is very simple. Started yesterday evening, had it working by 
midnight, had it still working in about half the number of lines of code 
by 2 am :-)   Changing to a more efficient method (i.e. opening a single 
connection and sending multiple command / result pairs over it would) be 
a bit more work, and being less simple might be less robust initially.

Fifth, it offers lots of options. Develop Python functions and include 
them in a special-purpose server, to get more efficiency and easier 
coding; leave the server sparse and have all the flexibility. Do both. ....

Sixth, it's one more tool. I don't expect to use it often - but I have a 
couple of projects that I started in Rev and abandoned (i.e. abandoned 
use of Rev, switched to Python) which I could now do in 80% Rev + 20% 
Python with very little problem (both because of availability of a 
library in Python versus what was available in Rev).

Seventh (just because Mark W. mentioned it in the Q&A at RevCon), this 
uses a separate process, and so will allow Transcript stacks to take 
advantage of multiple processor machines (or multi-core CPUs), before 
Transcript is extended to provide threads.


I'd be happy to hear any comments on the approach, answer question, help 
anyone else who wants to play with it, etc. Or email the sample server 
and stack.

Finally - a short list of areas where I think Python offers a library 
that would be a good reason to try this approach. This isn't a list of 
why Python is "better" than Transcript.

1. Python Imaging Library
2. NumericArray (matrix math)
3. email library (i.e. rfc 822 headers, MIME encoding/decoding, etc.); 
also POP, IMAP and SMTP.
4. pysqlite - database access via SQLite
5. OpenGL
6. PDF generation (via ReportLab's toolkit)


Python server code:

> # This little program illustrates how easy it is to write network
> # servers using the classes in the SocketServer module.
> import SocketServer
>     
> def return_result_list(where, pList):
>     formatted = [ "%d" % x for x in pList]
>     where.write(",".join(formatted) + "\n")
>     
> class TranscriptHandler(SocketServer.StreamRequestHandler):
>     def handle(self):
>         global wfile
>         # Read lines of text, limiting each to 512 bytes.
>         # This will prevent someone trying to crash the server machine
>         # by sending megabytes of data.  
>         lines = []
>         while True:
>             new = self.rfile.readline(512).rstrip()
>             if new == "endofscript":
>                 break
>             lines.append(new)
>         text = "\n".join(lines)
>         wfile = self.wfile     # for use in user scripts, to 
> wfile.write() results.
>         exec(text)
>         self.wfile.write("endofresult\n")
>
> if __name__=='__main__':
>     # Create an instance of our server class
>     server=SocketServer.TCPServer( ('', 7779), TranscriptHandler)
>     # Enter an infinite loop, waiting for requests and then servicing 
> them.  
>     server.serve_forever()



-- 
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From katir at hindu.org  Sat Jul  9 17:35:29 2005
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 11:35:29 -1000
Subject: control and option keys not working on Tiger with 2.6?
Message-ID: <843607E7-AA1F-4824-8CE8-D5B5A43F9302@hindu.org>

I have for years used the following to toggle a field between a  
locked "hot link ready" state to an editable state:

on mouseDown
   if controlkey()="Down" then
   set the locktext of the target to true
   set the traversalOn of the target to false
   choose browse tool
   end if
end mouseDown
on mouseUp
if optionkey()="Down" then
   set the locktext of the target to false
   set the traversalOn of the target to true
   end if
end mouseUp
on linkClicked tSubject
   findLinkedItems tSubject
   put  tSubject into gLastLink
end linkClicked

It's not working now on TIGER, 2.6  I have a bluetooth Keyboard  
installed, but even it I do it form the real keyboard on my  
PowerBook, it still fails: symptom.. nothing happens..

Can anyone confirm?

Sivakatirswami




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jul  9 17:45:39 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 14:45:39 -0700
Subject: bug reporting
In-Reply-To: <AB504C34-17C2-4123-A7D6-F0EE46F4C959@danshafer.com>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>
	<1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net> <42CF01B4.4030406@sover.net>
	<7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>
	<42CFDF67.9030504@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<AB504C34-17C2-4123-A7D6-F0EE46F4C959@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <5921803241.20050709144539@ahsoftware.net>

Dan-

Saturday, July 9, 2005, 9:34:17 AM, you wrote:

DS> I think this is a case where it's not an either-or, but a both-and.

DS> Customers will complain in all kinds of places. A company with  
DS> appropriate resources should attempt to monitor major lists -- most
DS> particularly one like this that they host -- for negative feedback
DS> and translate that feedback into bug reports for the development  
DS> staff as often as possible.

DS> OTOH, users who care about the product -- and I certainly agree with
DS> Mark here that they are few and far between although there seem to be
DS> a disproportionate number around this place! -- should and most often
DS> will use the official bug reporting mechanism, provided that  
DS> mechanism isn't a nightmare.

DS> My problem is that Revzilla/Bugzilla is a user interface nightmare
DS> that more often than not confuses me more than the bug I'm trying to
DS> report. So I'd say that unless I find a bug that's really severe, I
DS> find a way to work around it, post something here and get on with my
DS> programming life.

RevZilla takes the pain out of the BZ database, in my experience.
Obviously, YMMV. Give it another try if you haven't lately. IMO it's
at least as easy to use as the major defect-tracking packages out
there, and as a QA engineer I've used most of them by now.

DS> So, Jon, you're not entirely wrong here. From off-list communications
DS> we have had I know you are a serious developer (Mark was probably
DS> just in a bad mood; he's a genuinely nice guy) but one who doesn't
DS> (yet at least) have a passionate supportive feeling about Revolution.
DS> Hopefully you'll be able to find the time to develop such a feeling.

Yes. I was in a bad mood. I still am.

This list exists for users to help each other out. When I've got an
issue and think it might be something to file a bug report on, I'll
ask here first to see if someone can confirm it or if it's just my
inexperience with things or some other kind of user error. That's the
sort of brainstorming I see here all the time and it works well.

When I see someone who can't be bothered filing bug reports showing up
here and bitching about things because supposedly someone is
monitoring the list, that's hijacking the listserv for a different
purpose. Jon's found some good bugs in the IDE here - that's what
prompted my original comment about Bugzillaing them. I'd like to see
some of them fixed, and for that they need to be in the bug database.
Tracking bugs by listservs just doesn't work.

Look - there's more to software development than slapping some code
together, hoping it works, and exposing your users to it, waiting for
them to complain about bugs. That's the sort of amateurishness and
arrogance I'd expect from Microsoft. There's tracking and prioritizing
defects, technical support, version control, etc. Posting issues to a
listserv can be part of the process, but Jon's arrogant response of
"that's all it should take", even if that's the way he treats his own
customers, is not something I would expect from anyone who considers
themselves a professional. It shows a fair amount of ignorance of the
development process.

I agree with what you said here. It's not an either-or thing. But if I
ran the company (and you can all breathe a sigh of relief that I
don't), I'd put more resources into finding and fixing bugs that are
in the bug database than into having people keep an eye on listservs
and such. There's an existing mechanism for reporting bugs and the bug
list is public, which is something you don't often find outside of
open-source projects. If bugs don't get reported properly there's a
minimal chance of them getting tracked and fixed.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jbondy at sover.net  Sat Jul  9 17:52:35 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 17:52:35 -0400
Subject: Remotes - the new, exciting alternative to Externals.
In-Reply-To: <42D0418A.5070109@tweedly.net>
References: <42D0418A.5070109@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <42D04723.7020403@sover.net>

Well done, Alex!

:)

Jon


Alex Tweedly wrote:

>
> I've been playing with writing externals for Revolution lately. It's 
> been interesting. I'm very glad to know I can do it, and should I ever 
> need to, I will. But I can't say it's been a lot of fun. Writing C 
> code is frustrating and not very productive in the best of 
> circumstances (e.g. supported by a symbolic debugger, protected 
> processes, etc.) In the circumstance of running an external with Rev's 
> IDE (where many errors cause immediate termination of the IDE, with no 
> diagnostic info provided at all, far less any chance to debug), it is 
> very unproductive. So while it's good to know that externals are 
> possible for me, I also know that they are to be avoided if reasonable 
> alternatives exist.
>
> So I started looking for alternatives .....
>
> Reasons to write externals in the first place.
> 1. to get access to hardware or other facilities not otherwise available
> 2. to get higher performance (e.g. matrix ops, image processing, etc.)
> 3. to take advantage of existing library packages
> 4. other significant but less common reasons
>
> As described above, I don't like C (far less C++). The language I do 
> like (assuming Transcript isn't an option) is Python.
>
> Python is, in many ways, similar to Transcript. They're both scripting 
> language, dynamic types (or typeless), associative arrays, etc. - 
> that's largely why I like them both.  But they're also quite 
> different, and complementary, in many ways. So, without falling into 
> the trap of becoming a comparison between the two languages, I believe 
> that a number of the reasons for writing an external would equally 
> apply to using Python.
>
> Of course, it would be difficult to write an actual external in 
> Python. But I realized that one of the strengths of both Python and 
> Transcript is that they have good, simple socket facilities. So I 
> decided to try "Remotes" - socket-based Python add-ons to Transcript.
>
> I wrote a small (30 lines) Python server which accepts "commands" over 
> a TCP socket, and returns its result over the same TCP connection  
> (see the end of the email for the source code of the Python program). 
> The "commands" are in fact snippets of Python code; so I can develop 
> the Transcript stack and just change the snippets of Python to be sent 
> and executed, without even restarting the server. So the whole process 
> is as dynamic as Rev usually is.
>
> <snip>



From jbondy at sover.net  Sat Jul  9 17:55:07 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 17:55:07 -0400
Subject: bug reporting
In-Reply-To: <5921803241.20050709144539@ahsoftware.net>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>	<1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net>
	<42CF01B4.4030406@sover.net>	<7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>	<42CFDF67.9030504@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<AB504C34-17C2-4123-A7D6-F0EE46F4C959@danshafer.com>
	<5921803241.20050709144539@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <42D047BB.40803@sover.net>

Mark:

If it's any consolation to you,

1) I was having a bad day, too; and
2) if I had it to do over again, I would have simply BZ'd the bug.

Sorry to have created such a ruckus: other traffic since has made it 
clear that my position is incorrect.

:)

Jon

Mark Wieder wrote:

>Dan-
>
>Saturday, July 9, 2005, 9:34:17 AM, you wrote:
>
>DS> I think this is a case where it's not an either-or, but a both-and.
>
>DS> Customers will complain in all kinds of places. A company with  
>DS> appropriate resources should attempt to monitor major lists -- most
>DS> particularly one like this that they host -- for negative feedback
>DS> and translate that feedback into bug reports for the development  
>DS> staff as often as possible.
>
>DS> OTOH, users who care about the product -- and I certainly agree with
>DS> Mark here that they are few and far between although there seem to be
>DS> a disproportionate number around this place! -- should and most often
>DS> will use the official bug reporting mechanism, provided that  
>DS> mechanism isn't a nightmare.
>
>DS> My problem is that Revzilla/Bugzilla is a user interface nightmare
>DS> that more often than not confuses me more than the bug I'm trying to
>DS> report. So I'd say that unless I find a bug that's really severe, I
>DS> find a way to work around it, post something here and get on with my
>DS> programming life.
>
>RevZilla takes the pain out of the BZ database, in my experience.
>Obviously, YMMV. Give it another try if you haven't lately. IMO it's
>at least as easy to use as the major defect-tracking packages out
>there, and as a QA engineer I've used most of them by now.
>
>DS> So, Jon, you're not entirely wrong here. From off-list communications
>DS> we have had I know you are a serious developer (Mark was probably
>DS> just in a bad mood; he's a genuinely nice guy) but one who doesn't
>DS> (yet at least) have a passionate supportive feeling about Revolution.
>DS> Hopefully you'll be able to find the time to develop such a feeling.
>
>Yes. I was in a bad mood. I still am.
>
>This list exists for users to help each other out. When I've got an
>issue and think it might be something to file a bug report on, I'll
>ask here first to see if someone can confirm it or if it's just my
>inexperience with things or some other kind of user error. That's the
>sort of brainstorming I see here all the time and it works well.
>
>When I see someone who can't be bothered filing bug reports showing up
>here and bitching about things because supposedly someone is
>monitoring the list, that's hijacking the listserv for a different
>purpose. Jon's found some good bugs in the IDE here - that's what
>prompted my original comment about Bugzillaing them. I'd like to see
>some of them fixed, and for that they need to be in the bug database.
>Tracking bugs by listservs just doesn't work.
>
>Look - there's more to software development than slapping some code
>together, hoping it works, and exposing your users to it, waiting for
>them to complain about bugs. That's the sort of amateurishness and
>arrogance I'd expect from Microsoft. There's tracking and prioritizing
>defects, technical support, version control, etc. Posting issues to a
>listserv can be part of the process, but Jon's arrogant response of
>"that's all it should take", even if that's the way he treats his own
>customers, is not something I would expect from anyone who considers
>themselves a professional. It shows a fair amount of ignorance of the
>development process.
>
>I agree with what you said here. It's not an either-or thing. But if I
>ran the company (and you can all breathe a sigh of relief that I
>don't), I'd put more resources into finding and fixing bugs that are
>in the bug database than into having people keep an eye on listservs
>and such. There's an existing mechanism for reporting bugs and the bug
>list is public, which is something you don't often find outside of
>open-source projects. If bugs don't get reported properly there's a
>minimal chance of them getting tracked and fixed.
>
>  
>


From soapdog at mac.com  Sat Jul  9 18:09:47 2005
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 19:09:47 -0300
Subject: PODCASTING WITH RUNREV
In-Reply-To: <BEF55B07.D0D1%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
References: <BEF55B07.D0D1%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
Message-ID: <0E87D6EA-9A7C-494B-9365-B3AA9AED08C2@mac.com>


On Jul 9, 2005, at 11:44 AM, Bill wrote:

> Is anyone writing a stack for doing podcasting?  Presently it takes a
> combination of six programs to make and edit podcasts on OSX.
>
> Audacity to edit
> Garage band to record
> Itunes to convert and save as MP3
> SoundFlower to redirect everything for mixing mike, music etc.
> Ichat for incorporating interviews (using Jabber or AIM)
> SoundBed so you can monitor everything in your headphones.
>
> And then you have to do shenanigans to get the RS 2.0 feed up.
>
> -- It looks like an "all in one" program for making PodCasts would  
> be a
> viable project.
>

Bill,

I distributed in RevConwest a little stack that could generate  
podcast feeds based on droped mp3 files... it's not a all in one  
solution but it works.

Andre



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From gbojsza at gmail.com  Sat Jul  9 18:10:09 2005
From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 18:10:09 -0400
Subject: Remotes - the new, exciting alternative to Externals.
In-Reply-To: <42D04723.7020403@sover.net>
References: <42D0418A.5070109@tweedly.net> <42D04723.7020403@sover.net>
Message-ID: <3d8af415050709151032f2418c@mail.gmail.com>

This is what I think would make a great Rev Scripting Conference series.



On 7/9/05, Jon <jbondy at sover.net> wrote:
> Well done, Alex!
> 
> :)
> 
> Jon
> 
> 
> Alex Tweedly wrote:
> 
> >
> > I've been playing with writing externals for Revolution lately. It's
> > been interesting. I'm very glad to know I can do it, and should I ever
> > need to, I will. But I can't say it's been a lot of fun. Writing C
> > code is frustrating and not very productive in the best of
> > circumstances (e.g. supported by a symbolic debugger, protected
> > processes, etc.) In the circumstance of running an external with Rev's
> > IDE (where many errors cause immediate termination of the IDE, with no
> > diagnostic info provided at all, far less any chance to debug), it is
> > very unproductive. So while it's good to know that externals are
> > possible for me, I also know that they are to be avoided if reasonable
> > alternatives exist.
> >
> > So I started looking for alternatives .....
> >
> > Reasons to write externals in the first place.
> > 1. to get access to hardware or other facilities not otherwise available
> > 2. to get higher performance (e.g. matrix ops, image processing, etc.)
> > 3. to take advantage of existing library packages
> > 4. other significant but less common reasons
> >
> > As described above, I don't like C (far less C++). The language I do
> > like (assuming Transcript isn't an option) is Python.
> >
> > Python is, in many ways, similar to Transcript. They're both scripting
> > language, dynamic types (or typeless), associative arrays, etc. -
> > that's largely why I like them both.  But they're also quite
> > different, and complementary, in many ways. So, without falling into
> > the trap of becoming a comparison between the two languages, I believe
> > that a number of the reasons for writing an external would equally
> > apply to using Python.
> >
> > Of course, it would be difficult to write an actual external in
> > Python. But I realized that one of the strengths of both Python and
> > Transcript is that they have good, simple socket facilities. So I
> > decided to try "Remotes" - socket-based Python add-ons to Transcript.
> >
> > I wrote a small (30 lines) Python server which accepts "commands" over
> > a TCP socket, and returns its result over the same TCP connection
> > (see the end of the email for the source code of the Python program).
> > The "commands" are in fact snippets of Python code; so I can develop
> > the Transcript stack and just change the snippets of Python to be sent
> > and executed, without even restarting the server. So the whole process
> > is as dynamic as Rev usually is.
> >
> > <snip>
> 
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From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Sat Jul  9 18:17:34 2005
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 17:17:34 -0500
Subject: PODCASTING WITH RUNREV
In-Reply-To: <0E87D6EA-9A7C-494B-9365-B3AA9AED08C2@mac.com>
References: <BEF55B07.D0D1%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
	<0E87D6EA-9A7C-494B-9365-B3AA9AED08C2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <8CAD29C2-0096-4A15-B104-93DB7B3EB975@earthlink.net>

Andre

Is this available to folks who did not attend RevConWest?  I don't  
see in in your userspace in RevOnline, nor do I see a link to it from  
the Soap Dog homepage.

Marian
On Jul 9, 2005, at 5:09 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> I distributed in RevConwest a little stack that could generate  
> podcast feeds based on droped mp3 files... it's not a all in one  
> solution but it works.
>
> Andre


From soapdog at mac.com  Sat Jul  9 18:46:48 2005
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 19:46:48 -0300
Subject: PODCASTING WITH RUNREV
In-Reply-To: <8CAD29C2-0096-4A15-B104-93DB7B3EB975@earthlink.net>
References: <BEF55B07.D0D1%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
	<0E87D6EA-9A7C-494B-9365-B3AA9AED08C2@mac.com>
	<8CAD29C2-0096-4A15-B104-93DB7B3EB975@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <89572125-522E-47AB-B630-0D9696D46878@mac.com>


On Jul 9, 2005, at 7:17 PM, Marian Petrides wrote:

> Andre
>
> Is this available to folks who did not attend RevConWest?  I don't  
> see in in your userspace in RevOnline, nor do I see a link to it  
> from the Soap Dog homepage.
>

It will be today... it is not at this moment, but I shall pack it and  
release, I am a bit overhelmed with my end of semester exams in the  
university, but I'll manage everything by not sleeping.

Andre


> Marian
> On Jul 9, 2005, at 5:09 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>
>
>> I distributed in RevConwest a little stack that could generate  
>> podcast feeds based on droped mp3 files... it's not a all in one  
>> solution but it works.
>>
>> Andre
>>
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From alex at tweedly.net  Sat Jul  9 18:51:35 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 23:51:35 +0100
Subject: Remotes - the new, exciting alternative to Externals.
In-Reply-To: <3d8af415050709151032f2418c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <42D0418A.5070109@tweedly.net> <42D04723.7020403@sover.net>
	<3d8af415050709151032f2418c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42D054F7.4080802@tweedly.net>

Glen Bojsza wrote:

>This is what I think would make a great Rev Scripting Conference series.
>
>  
>
I can't see it fitting in the Scripting Conference series. AFAIK, that's 
supposed to cover "introductory" material (though I've learnt a lot by 
reviewing and/or attending the conferences, so introductory doesn't mean 
basic).

And I just can't see "remotes" as an introductory topic. Also, I can't 
see it as being interesting to a very large number of people (maybe to a 
fair number of the tinkerers who are active on this list - but I think 
that's a biased sample). The conference schedule already runs into 
November - and I can think of quite a few more topics that ought to be 
added before RR should allow a minority topic like this into the conf 
schedule.

But I can see it might be a good topic to prepare more material about, 
and then schedule some time to have a pre-arranged "chat" session about 
it. So if Bjornke doesn't mind us hi-jacking a time slot on his chat 
server, we could just pick an evening (or other time) and all get on the 
chat session to talk about it.


-- 
Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net



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From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Sat Jul  9 18:53:27 2005
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 17:53:27 -0500
Subject: PODCASTING WITH RUNREV
In-Reply-To: <89572125-522E-47AB-B630-0D9696D46878@mac.com>
References: <BEF55B07.D0D1%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
	<0E87D6EA-9A7C-494B-9365-B3AA9AED08C2@mac.com>
	<8CAD29C2-0096-4A15-B104-93DB7B3EB975@earthlink.net>
	<89572125-522E-47AB-B630-0D9696D46878@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F9D34202-0F2D-4092-8310-AA527B08B8F2@earthlink.net>

Andre
No big hurry.  Concentrate on your exams... we can wait. And thanks.

Marian

On Jul 9, 2005, at 5:46 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>>
>> Is this available to folks who did not attend RevConWest?  I don't  
>> see in in your userspace in RevOnline, nor do I see a link to it  
>> from the Soap Dog homepage.
>>
>>
>
> It will be today... it is not at this moment, but I shall pack it  
> and release, I am a bit overhelmed with my end of semester exams in  
> the university, but I'll manage everything by not sleeping.
>
> Andre
>
>
>>
>>
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jul  9 19:11:22 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 16:11:22 -0700
Subject: documentation mini-bug
In-Reply-To: <42D01427.20308@tweedly.net>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>
	<1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net> <42CF01B4.4030406@sover.net>
	<7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>
	<42CFDF67.9030504@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<AB504C34-17C2-4123-A7D6-F0EE46F4C959@danshafer.com>
	<42D01427.20308@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <13626946426.20050709161122@ahsoftware.net>

Alex-

Saturday, July 9, 2005, 11:15:03 AM, you wrote:

AT> Most annoying thing is the difficulty of choosing a component - it
AT> always amazes me how many components there are, and *still* there isn't
AT> any obvious one to assign to the bug I'm reporting.

Yep. Sometimes I just have to find something close and figure that
whoever is in charge of processing these things will assign it to the
proper category.

AT> and everything else is just overhead.  I've taken to "reporting" these
AT> via Web Notes, on the assumption that anything reported in there will be
AT> rolled into the next release of the docs.

Unless I'm missing something, if you post something in Web Notes it
overwrites anything anyone else may have posted there. That's strike
one. Strike two is that, as far as I can tell, there's no way to
search Web Notes, so using it to report bugs is fairly ineffectual.
You have to know that there's a Web Note bug report waiting and then
go to the appropriate entry and then view the Web Note. I'm not at all
sure that anyone at runrev pays attention to the Web Notes, at least
in terms of using them for reporting missing items and such, and that
may be strike three - it certainly never occurred to me to use Web
Notes for this purpose. I know what you mean about the overhead,
though.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jul  9 19:12:01 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 16:12:01 -0700
Subject: Playing DVDs in Rev?
Message-ID: <42D059C1.8070804@fourthworld.com>

I have a customer who would like to play a video DVD (true video DVD, 
not a video file on DVD-ROM) in one of our Rev-based products.  I'm not 
familiar with any way to get a player to play a DVD -- is there?

Alternatively, is there a free third-party tool that can convert DVDs to 
.mov or .mpeg files?

TIA -

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jul  9 19:17:24 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 16:17:24 -0700
Subject: Remotes - the new, exciting alternative to Externals.
In-Reply-To: <42D04723.7020403@sover.net>
References: <42D0418A.5070109@tweedly.net> <42D04723.7020403@sover.net>
Message-ID: <6927308667.20050709161724@ahsoftware.net>

Jon-

Saturday, July 9, 2005, 2:52:35 PM, you wrote:

J> Well done, Alex!

Indeed! <applause>

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From bvg at mac.com  Sat Jul  9 19:16:20 2005
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 01:16:20 +0200
Subject: Remotes - the new, exciting alternative to Externals.
In-Reply-To: <42D054F7.4080802@tweedly.net>
References: <42D0418A.5070109@tweedly.net> <42D04723.7020403@sover.net>
	<3d8af415050709151032f2418c@mail.gmail.com>
	<42D054F7.4080802@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <126841442dd39d7c1abdd7aa90b63f35@mac.com>

On Jul 10 2005, at 00:51, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> But I can see it might be a good topic to prepare more material about, 
> and then schedule some time to have a pre-arranged "chat" session 
> about it. So if Bjornke doesn't mind us hi-jacking a time slot on his 
> chat server, we could just pick an evening (or other time) and all get 
> on the chat session to talk about it.

come as you are :)
the chat is free for anyone, but if you want to make something 
"official" just name a date and time to me, and i'll announce it...
I'd rather not have more then one event per evening, and i think next 
friday is (hopefully) the announcement for the winners of the advanced 
contest, and the sunday in a week is taken too (more on that on 
wednesday).

greetings
Bjoernke

-- 

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Now running: the first ChatRev coding contest!
sponsors:
Altuit
Andre Garzia
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jul  9 19:19:17 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 16:19:17 -0700
Subject: PODCASTING WITH RUNREV
In-Reply-To: <0E87D6EA-9A7C-494B-9365-B3AA9AED08C2@mac.com>
References: <BEF55B07.D0D1%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
	<0E87D6EA-9A7C-494B-9365-B3AA9AED08C2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <327421379.20050709161917@ahsoftware.net>

Andre-

You *are* still alive... have you gotten any of the email messages
I've sent you over the last, say, six months?

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jul  9 19:22:02 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 16:22:02 -0700
Subject: bug reporting
In-Reply-To: <42D047BB.40803@sover.net>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>
	<1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net> <42CF01B4.4030406@sover.net>
	<7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>
	<42CFDF67.9030504@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<AB504C34-17C2-4123-A7D6-F0EE46F4C959@danshafer.com>
	<5921803241.20050709144539@ahsoftware.net> <42D047BB.40803@sover.net>
Message-ID: <5127585786.20050709162202@ahsoftware.net>

Jon-

Saturday, July 9, 2005, 2:55:07 PM, you wrote:

J> Mark:

J> If it's any consolation to you,

J> 1) I was having a bad day, too; and
J> 2) if I had it to do over again, I would have simply BZ'd the bug.

J> Sorry to have created such a ruckus: other traffic since has made it
J> clear that my position is incorrect.

Well... dang... in that case I have to back off, too. And I was having
such a good time being a curmudgeon...

You've dug up some excellent bug reports here on the list. If you do
BZ them I'll send votes their way to up their visibility. I'd most
definitely like to see them fixed up.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From soapdog at mac.com  Sat Jul  9 19:22:19 2005
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 20:22:19 -0300
Subject: PODCASTING WITH RUNREV
In-Reply-To: <327421379.20050709161917@ahsoftware.net>
References: <BEF55B07.D0D1%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
	<0E87D6EA-9A7C-494B-9365-B3AA9AED08C2@mac.com>
	<327421379.20050709161917@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <A5CAC787-4471-4B83-8666-EFC50DB84DAE@mac.com>


On Jul 9, 2005, at 8:19 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Andre-
>
> You *are* still alive... have you gotten any of the email messages
> I've sent you over the last, say, six months?
>

Hey Mark!!! Good to see you!!!

I got two emails from you during the last weeks! I am answering them,  
it's mailbox hell for now...

andre


> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
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From jbondy at sover.net  Sat Jul  9 19:32:45 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 19:32:45 -0400
Subject: bug reporting
In-Reply-To: <5127585786.20050709162202@ahsoftware.net>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>	<1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net>
	<42CF01B4.4030406@sover.net>	<7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>	<42CFDF67.9030504@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<AB504C34-17C2-4123-A7D6-F0EE46F4C959@danshafer.com>	<5921803241.20050709144539@ahsoftware.net>
	<42D047BB.40803@sover.net>
	<5127585786.20050709162202@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <42D05E9D.4020307@sover.net>



Mark Wieder wrote:

>And I was having such a good time being a curmudgeon...
>  
>

I guess it takes one to know one?!?


From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Sat Jul  9 19:45:22 2005
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 09:45:22 +1000
Subject: preserve vertical white space in XML?
In-Reply-To: <20050709130712.42905824D2D@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <841E713D-F0D3-11D9-9C7E-000393AEC28C@unimelb.edu.au>

Actually you can maintain at least some formatting by passing 'true' as 
a(n undocumented)  third parameter to the revXMLText function...

put revXMLText(treeID,,true)

HTH

Terry...

> I noticed this too - the revXMLText function does not put any end of 
> line delimiters between tags, though of course it preserves them with 
> in node contents.
>
> For simple cases (and I think this would cover the case given),
>
> put revXMLText(treeID) into theXML
> replace "><" with ">" & cr & "<" in theXML
>
> will work.
>
> On my current project, I found it easier (and quicker in execution) to 
> generate the XML in my own code, rather than using the library, though 
> I still use the library for reading it back in.
>
> Mark Smith
>
>
> On 9 Jul 2005, at 06:50, Sivakatirswami wrote:
>
>> I always use extra line breaks in my XML docs and .XHTML docs... for 
>> readability.
>>
>> But, if you create an XML Tree from one of these, transform some data 
>> in a node and then
>>
>> put revXMLText(tCurrTree) into tNewFile
>>
>> to get that data back out, Rev's XML libraries have wiped out all the 
>> cr's.
>>
>> What is interesting is that double cr's are preserved, singles are not
>>
>>
Dr Terry Judd
Lecturer in Educational Technology (Design)
Biomedical Multimedia Unit
Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences
The University of Melbourne
Parkville VIC 3052
AUSTRALIA



From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Sat Jul  9 19:46:29 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 19:46:29 -0400
Subject: fonts one last time
Message-ID: <5B48178D-7D01-40F5-B55A-B7F3CDF5F589@conncoll.edu>

(Whew.) Here's a script for the main stack of a two-stack app full of  
fields called "Text" with a mix of fonts and styles. As far as I can  
tell from preliminary tests, this -- at last! -- should (1) adjust  
the default text font and (2) adjust the monospaced font I need for  
some text, both by looking for particular fonts, while (3) preserving  
the special-font status of those monospace passages and (4)  
preserving all style markings (link, bold, etc), yet (5) changing  
text after those to the default font (which Rev refuses to do by  
itself).

In case somebody else has the same combination of problems I've had.

Charles Hartman
Professor of English, Poet in Residence
Connecticut College
charles.hartman at conncoll.edu
*the Scandroid* is at cherry.conncoll.edu/cohar/Programs.htm

=============================================================
on preOpenStack
   -- could check platform (which is the overall point here);
   -- but really care only whether certain fonts are available.
   -- First: establish names of running (proportional) and special
   -- (monospaced) fonts for "Text" fields
   /*  ----- PROPOSED PRODUCTION CODE
   if "Palatino" is in the fontNames then
     put "Palatino" into theRunningFont
     put 12 into mySize
   else
     put "Times New Roman" into theRunningFont
     put 12 into mySize        -- check this on Windows!
   end if
   if "Courier" is in the fontNames then
     put "Courier" into theMonoFont
   else
     put "Courier New" into theMonoFont
   end if
   */
   ---------- TESTING CODE; COMMENT OUT FOR PRODUCTION!
   ask "running (non-monospaced) font?"
   put it into theRunningFont
   ask "monospaced font?"
   put it into theMonoFont
   put 12 into mySize
   -- do the change only if need default font other than present one
   if theRunningFont is not the textFont of this stack then
     changeFieldTextProps "English Metrics","Text",mySize, \
         theRunningFont,theMonoFont
     changeFieldTextProps "Reference Stack","Text",mySize, \
         theRunningFont,theMonoFont
   end if
end preOpenStack


-- based on David Epstein's script for preserving styles
-- while changing the default font throughout a stack
on changeFieldTextProps myStack,f,mySize,myFont,myMonoFont
   repeat with c = 1 to the number of cards of stack myStack
     if exists(field f of card c of stack myStack) then
       put the htmlText of field f of card c of stack myStack \
           into hold[c]
       -- seek and change all font specifications to mono font
       put offset("<font face=", hold[c]) into tagFoundAt
       -- if tag not found we'll skip this repeat
       repeat while tagFoundAt is not zero
         put tagFoundAt into endOfTag
         add offset(">",hold[c],tagFoundAt) to endOfTag
         put myMonoFont into char tagFoundAt+12 to endOfTag-2 \
             of hold[c]
         --answer char tagFoundAt+12 to endOfTag-2]
         put offset("<font face=",hold[c],endOfTag) into increment
         if increment is zero
         then exit repeat
         put increment + endOfTag into TagFoundAT
       end repeat
     end if
   end repeat
   set the textSize of stack myStack to mySize
   set the textFont of stack myStack to myFont
   repeat with c = 1 to the number of cards of stack myStack
     if exists(field f of card c of stack myStack)
     then set the htmlText of field f of card c of stack myStack \
         to hold[c]
   end repeat
end changeFieldTextProps



From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Sat Jul  9 19:48:52 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 19:48:52 -0400
Subject: Remotes - the new, exciting alternative to Externals.
In-Reply-To: <42D054F7.4080802@tweedly.net>
References: <42D0418A.5070109@tweedly.net> <42D04723.7020403@sover.net>
	<3d8af415050709151032f2418c@mail.gmail.com>
	<42D054F7.4080802@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <8F2F2B13-7EE7-4B28-A16A-F992B5C61F55@conncoll.edu>

I for one would _love_ to be able to write externals for Rev in  
Python (especially Python 2.4), a language I know reasonably well and  
like very, very much.

Charles Hartman

On Jul 9, 2005, at 6:51 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> Glen Bojsza wrote:
>
>
>> This is what I think would make a great Rev Scripting Conference  
>> series.
>>
>>
>>
> I can't see it fitting in the Scripting Conference series. AFAIK,  
> that's supposed to cover "introductory" material (though I've  
> learnt a lot by reviewing and/or attending the conferences, so  
> introductory doesn't mean basic).
>
> And I just can't see "remotes" as an introductory topic. Also, I  
> can't see it as being interesting to a very large number of people  
> (maybe to a fair number of the tinkerers who are active on this  
> list - but I think that's a biased sample). The conference schedule  
> already runs into November - and I can think of quite a few more  
> topics that ought to be added before RR should allow a minority  
> topic like this into the conf schedule.
>
> But I can see it might be a good topic to prepare more material  
> about, and then schedule some time to have a pre-arranged "chat"  
> session about it. So if Bjornke doesn't mind us hi-jacking a time  
> slot on his chat server, we could just pick an evening (or other  
> time) and all get on the chat session to talk about it.
>
>
> -- 
> Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net
>
>
>
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From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Sat Jul  9 19:52:47 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 19:52:47 -0400
Subject: fonts one last time
In-Reply-To: <5B48178D-7D01-40F5-B55A-B7F3CDF5F589@conncoll.edu>
References: <5B48178D-7D01-40F5-B55A-B7F3CDF5F589@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <CDE37F22-878F-4B7A-88F6-1CA25006228A@conncoll.edu>

(By the way, I tried to send this same message earlier, but the list  
rejected it because it was something like 35k. That's pasting a  
script directly from Rev into a message. When I paste it into BBEdit  
and then into mail, it's down to 7k. What's the Rev script editor  
doing with it to bloat it so much? Can't be just Unicode, I think --  
HTML?)

coh

On Jul 9, 2005, at 7:46 PM, Charles Hartman wrote:

[etc]



From alex at tweedly.net  Sat Jul  9 20:33:42 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 01:33:42 +0100
Subject: documentation mini-bug
In-Reply-To: <13626946426.20050709161122@ahsoftware.net>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>	<1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net>
	<42CF01B4.4030406@sover.net>	<7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>	<42CFDF67.9030504@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<AB504C34-17C2-4123-A7D6-F0EE46F4C959@danshafer.com>	<42D01427.20308@tweedly.net>
	<13626946426.20050709161122@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <42D06CE6.3040008@tweedly.net>

Mark Wieder wrote:

>Alex-
>
>Saturday, July 9, 2005, 11:15:03 AM, you wrote:
>
>AT> and everything else is just overhead.  I've taken to "reporting" these
>AT> via Web Notes, on the assumption that anything reported in there will be
>AT> rolled into the next release of the docs.
>
>Unless I'm missing something, if you post something in Web Notes it
>overwrites anything anyone else may have posted there. 
>
That's right - so it's up to whoever is adding something to copy/paste 
whats already there ....

>That's strike one. Strike two is that, as far as I can tell, there's no way to
>search Web Notes, so using it to report bugs is fairly ineffectual.
>You have to know that there's a Web Note bug report waiting and then
>go to the appropriate entry and then view the Web Note.
>
Don't agree with that - if I look at the doc entry for a command, and 
there's a web note there, then I see it. And if I didn't look at that 
entry, then I didn't care about the web note :-)

> I'm not at all sure that anyone at runrev pays attention to the Web Notes, at least
>in terms of using them for reporting missing items and such,
>
I would hope, and expect, that if I were revising the doc for an entry, 
and there was a web note, I'd look at it and incorporate it. And I'd 
expect that if I were given the task of updating all the docs (or some 
section of them), one of the places I'd look for input (not necessarily 
bugs, just things that might want to be improved or that people are 
having trouble with) would be web notes.

> and that may be strike three - it certainly never occurred to me to use Web
>Notes for this purpose. I know what you mean about the overhead,
>though.
>  
>
If I found a serious problem in the docs (e.g. something wrong, or 
dangerously misleading), I'd likely BZ it (esp. now that I've been 
reminded how much easier it look to RZ it). But for minor issues (links 
missing, spelling mistakes, bad grammar, etc.) I'll use web notes and 
hope .... unless someone from RR tells me that won't work.


-- 
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From mark at maseurope.net  Sat Jul  9 20:46:37 2005
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 01:46:37 +0100
Subject: preserve vertical white space in XML?
In-Reply-To: <841E713D-F0D3-11D9-9C7E-000393AEC28C@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <841E713D-F0D3-11D9-9C7E-000393AEC28C@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <4e82e00c89777dbc46269c7e9fe2a7b6@maseurope.net>

Well I'll be...how on earth did you find that out?

Mark

On 10 Jul 2005, at 00:45, Terry Judd wrote:

> Actually you can maintain at least some formatting by passing 'true' 
> as a(n undocumented)  third parameter to the revXMLText function...
>
> put revXMLText(treeID,,true)
>
> HTH
>
> Terry...



From tmc7056 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  9 22:05:24 2005
From: tmc7056 at yahoo.com (Tom McDonald)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 19:05:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: What About Newbies
Message-ID: <20050710020524.77622.qmail@web53005.mail.yahoo.com>

I've been running tutorials and whatever else is available to a newcomer to Revolution but have become frustrated because it is all beyond me The daily material is all about technical stuff between gurus. There is nothing for the newbie. The videos are smoothly presented and the diction is impressive but it's all above me. There's a group of advanced users swapping esoteric fixes.
 
I need a video turorial that simply explains how to create a data base of many text screens that can be called up as needed or on a random basis.
 
How about a basic explanation of an If/Then and a Do While algorithm?
 
Perhaps an explanation of how and where to locate plug-ins and how to use them.
 
Perhaps a kindergarten section in the daily blurbs would assist people like me.
 
Thanks,
 
Tom McDonald
 
 

		
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From tominjapan at excite.com  Sat Jul  9 22:26:07 2005
From: tominjapan at excite.com (Thomas McCarthy)
Date: Sat,  9 Jul 2005 22:26:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Alert: Reading stdIn from POST in CGI's
Message-ID: <20050710022607.60848B953@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com>


Sivakatirswami, Thanks for the enlightenment. I'm just starting to work with cgi and I can see that this heads up will save me a lot of headaches. Thanks
tom

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From revdan at danshafer.com  Sat Jul  9 22:47:02 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 19:47:02 -0700
Subject: What About Newbies
In-Reply-To: <20050710020524.77622.qmail@web53005.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050710020524.77622.qmail@web53005.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6125CCD4-3A9F-41EB-8CEF-EBB70D51606E@danshafer.com>

Tom....

May I humbly suggest you buy my book, "Revolution: Software at the  
Speed of Thought" from the Rev storefront? I think it is aimed at the  
entry-level to early mid-level user (at least that's its intent).

That said, your statement of the problem you're trying to solve,  
unless I'm misreading it, misues the word "simply." Setting up a  
database is non-trivial and not for beginners. OTOH, if what you mean  
is a stack with a bunch of cards containing text that you can display  
as needed or randomly, that's a piece of cake.


On Jul 9, 2005, at 7:05 PM, Tom McDonald wrote:

> I've been running tutorials and whatever else is available to a  
> newcomer to Revolution but have become frustrated because it is all  
> beyond me The daily material is all about technical stuff between  
> gurus. There is nothing for the newbie. The videos are smoothly  
> presented and the diction is impressive but it's all above me.  
> There's a group of advanced users swapping esoteric fixes.
>
> I need a video turorial that simply explains how to create a data  
> base of many text screens that can be called up as needed or on a  
> random basis.
>
> How about a basic explanation of an If/Then and a Do While algorithm?
>
> Perhaps an explanation of how and where to locate plug-ins and how  
> to use them.
>
> Perhaps a kindergarten section in the daily blurbs would assist  
> people like me.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom McDonald
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jul  9 22:51:05 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 21:51:05 -0500
Subject: Scripting conference - Groups log uploaded
Message-ID: <42D08D19.2040709@hyperactivesw.com>

Today's scripting conference on Groups and Backgrounds, presented by 
Judy Perry, has been logged and the revised stack uploaded. You can get 
a copy of the conference stack, which now includes the chat transcript, 
at the usual place:

<http://support.runrev.com/scriptingconferences>

One participant said afterward, "flawlessly presented."

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jul  9 23:02:01 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 22:02:01 -0500
Subject: Remotes - the new, exciting alternative to Externals.
In-Reply-To: <42D054F7.4080802@tweedly.net>
References: <42D0418A.5070109@tweedly.net>
	<42D04723.7020403@sover.net>	<3d8af415050709151032f2418c@mail.gmail.com>
	<42D054F7.4080802@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <42D08FA9.6040005@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/9/05 5:51 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> Glen Bojsza wrote:
> 
>> This is what I think would make a great Rev Scripting Conference series.
>>
>>  
>>
> I can't see it fitting in the Scripting Conference series. AFAIK, that's 
> supposed to cover "introductory" material

Right, we're doing a beginner series right now. It is sort of a trial 
run. If interest stays high, I'd like to do an intermediate series, and 
maybe an advanced after that. We're talking a couple of years into the 
future though, and that's too far away to really plan.

But I do jot down any suggestions I see on the list here. No promises, 
but I'm keeping track. Meanwhile, the ChatRev idea sounds good if you 
want to cover this sooner than 2007.

Still working on TimeWarpGadget...

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jul  9 23:33:04 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 20:33:04 -0700
Subject: documentation mini-bug
In-Reply-To: <42D06CE6.3040008@tweedly.net>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>
	<1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net> <42CF01B4.4030406@sover.net>
	<7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>
	<42CFDF67.9030504@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<AB504C34-17C2-4123-A7D6-F0EE46F4C959@danshafer.com>
	<42D01427.20308@tweedly.net>
	<13626946426.20050709161122@ahsoftware.net>
	<42D06CE6.3040008@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <15642647834.20050709203304@ahsoftware.net>

Alex-

Saturday, July 9, 2005, 5:33:42 PM, you wrote:

AT> I would hope, and expect, that if I were revising the doc for an entry,
AT> and there was a web note, I'd look at it and incorporate it. And I'd
AT> expect that if I were given the task of updating all the docs (or some
AT> section of them), one of the places I'd look for input (not necessarily
AT> bugs, just things that might want to be improved or that people are
AT> having trouble with) would be web notes.

Well yes, but my point was that there's no need to revise a doc entry
unless you know it needs revising. As far as I know there's no way to
do a generic web notes search to see if anybody's reported anything.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jul  9 23:34:29 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 20:34:29 -0700
Subject: documentation mini-bug
In-Reply-To: <42D06CE6.3040008@tweedly.net>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>
	<1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net> <42CF01B4.4030406@sover.net>
	<7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>
	<42CFDF67.9030504@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<AB504C34-17C2-4123-A7D6-F0EE46F4C959@danshafer.com>
	<42D01427.20308@tweedly.net>
	<13626946426.20050709161122@ahsoftware.net>
	<42D06CE6.3040008@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <2042733317.20050709203429@ahsoftware.net>

Alex-

Saturday, July 9, 2005, 5:33:42 PM, you wrote:

AT> That's right - so it's up to whoever is adding something to copy/paste
AT> whats already there ....

Um... I already overwrote something while trying to figure out what
this web notes thing is. In the docs *somewhere* is a web note that
says just "yadda yadda". I don't know how to find it or what it used
to say or what topic it's attached to...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jul  9 23:35:40 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 20:35:40 -0700
Subject: Playing DVDs in Rev?
In-Reply-To: <42D059C1.8070804@fourthworld.com>
References: <42D059C1.8070804@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <11542803838.20050709203540@ahsoftware.net>

Richard-

Saturday, July 9, 2005, 4:12:01 PM, you wrote:

RG> I have a customer who would like to play a video DVD (true video DVD,
RG> not a video file on DVD-ROM) in one of our Rev-based products.  I'm not
RG> familiar with any way to get a player to play a DVD -- is there?

Have you looked at vlc?

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jul  9 23:35:40 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 22:35:40 -0500
Subject: What About Newbies
In-Reply-To: <20050710020524.77622.qmail@web53005.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050710020524.77622.qmail@web53005.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42D0978C.6060106@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/9/05 9:05 PM, Tom McDonald wrote:

> I've been running tutorials and whatever else is available to a
> newcomer to Revolution but have become frustrated because it is all
> beyond me The daily material is all about technical stuff between
> gurus. There is nothing for the newbie. The videos are smoothly
> presented and the diction is impressive but it's all above me.
> There's a group of advanced users swapping esoteric fixes.

I know what you mean. I think this list can be intimidating for 
newcomers. It is a wealth of information and the best resource there is, 
but if you don't know what question to ask, the chatter can be meaningless.

I think the only way to change that is to have brave new people ask a 
lot of questions. Then other new people will follow suit. I am always 
glad to see basic questions show up on the list. It keeps us from 
getting too snobby and it gives the intermediate newcomers a chance to 
contribute back. ;)

> 
> I need a video turorial that simply explains how to create a data
> base of many text screens that can be called up as needed or on a
> random basis.

There are lots of ways to do this, it depends on how many screens you 
want to display. If it is under 2-3 thousand or so, then a drop-dead 
simple way is to make a shared background group that appears on each 
card. In that group is a text field. A shared text field can have 
different text on every card, so put each text block into that field on 
each card. Give each card a distinctive name.

Then, to display the text on demand, just go to the card that has the 
text. If you show a list of card names in a list, the user can click on 
the list to go to the card. For specifics on how to do that, just ask.

If you don't want to use a field, you can store each text block in a 
file on disk and load them into a display field on demand. This also 
works very well. Your data is separate from your stack in this case, 
which can be an advantage.

If you have a lot of data, you can store it in a database like mySQL or 
Valentina. Then you would use database calls to set and retrieve your data.

Decide which system would work best and we can help you from there.

> 
> How about a basic explanation of an If/Then and a Do While algorithm?

There's a pretty good one in the dictionary, under "if". The "do while" 
in Transcript is really a "repeat while". The dictionary entry for 
"repeat" is pretty extensive.

> 
> 
> Perhaps an explanation of how and where to locate plug-ins and how to
> use them.

There used to be one, but I can't find it now. I agree this would be a 
good addition.

> 
> Perhaps a kindergarten section in the daily blurbs would assist
> people like me.

I like this idea a lot, actually. I just don't know anyone with time to 
compile such a thing. I wish, though.

> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tom McDonald
> 

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jul  9 23:37:34 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 20:37:34 -0700
Subject: bug reporting
In-Reply-To: <42D05E9D.4020307@sover.net>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>
	<1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net> <42CF01B4.4030406@sover.net>
	<7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>
	<42CFDF67.9030504@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<AB504C34-17C2-4123-A7D6-F0EE46F4C959@danshafer.com>
	<5921803241.20050709144539@ahsoftware.net> <42D047BB.40803@sover.net>
	<5127585786.20050709162202@ahsoftware.net> <42D05E9D.4020307@sover.net>
Message-ID: <11842918383.20050709203734@ahsoftware.net>

Jon-

Saturday, July 9, 2005, 4:32:45 PM, you wrote:

J> I guess it takes one to know one?!?

<vbg>

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jul  9 23:43:03 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 20:43:03 -0700
Subject: What About Newbies
In-Reply-To: <6125CCD4-3A9F-41EB-8CEF-EBB70D51606E@danshafer.com>
References: <20050710020524.77622.qmail@web53005.mail.yahoo.com>
	<6125CCD4-3A9F-41EB-8CEF-EBB70D51606E@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <543247626.20050709204303@ahsoftware.net>

Tom-

Saturday, July 9, 2005, 7:47:02 PM, Dan wrote:

DS> May I humbly suggest you buy my book, "Revolution: Software at the
DS> Speed of Thought" from the Rev storefront? I think it is aimed at the
DS> entry-level to early mid-level user (at least that's its intent).

...and may I second that...

DS> unless I'm misreading it, misues the word "simply." Setting up a
                              ^^^^^^
...spoken like a true lawyer...

DS> is a stack with a bunch of cards containing text that you can display
DS> as needed or randomly, that's a piece of cake.

If you follow the examples in the book, you'll be up and coding things
in no time. And giving advice to others here on the list.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jul  9 23:46:29 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 20:46:29 -0700
Subject: PODCASTING WITH RUNREV
In-Reply-To: <A5CAC787-4471-4B83-8666-EFC50DB84DAE@mac.com>
References: <BEF55B07.D0D1%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
	<0E87D6EA-9A7C-494B-9365-B3AA9AED08C2@mac.com>
	<327421379.20050709161917@ahsoftware.net>
	<A5CAC787-4471-4B83-8666-EFC50DB84DAE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5543452691.20050709204629@ahsoftware.net>

Andre-

Saturday, July 9, 2005, 4:22:19 PM, you wrote:

AG> I got two emails from you during the last weeks! I am answering them,
AG> it's mailbox hell for now...

Silly me... I thought it was finals hell. Never mind - you can always
sleep when winter comes.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From soapdog at mac.com  Sat Jul  9 23:49:05 2005
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:49:05 -0300
Subject: Playing DVDs in Rev?
In-Reply-To: <11542803838.20050709203540@ahsoftware.net>
References: <42D059C1.8070804@fourthworld.com>
	<11542803838.20050709203540@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <7B10F5B9-4BFF-4766-B231-653403398EFE@mac.com>

Richard,

the usual format is to have a folder called VIDEO_TS that contains  
one or more VOB objects. VOB are nothing but a fancy packing for the  
dvd media files. The standard encoding for DVD is MPEG-2 video, the  
Audio I think is AAC or something... but both are pretty standard,  
like, Rev Player will be able to play them. The trick thing is to  
unpack the VIDEO_TS VOB files. I think you could opt for some ways:

     (1) Use some F/OSS project to unpack the VOB files on the  
background in your app and then load them on a player object. There  
are many projects on sourceforge to deal with VOBs. Don't really know  
how much time it takes to do that, but it should not be long since  
you can't really do much number crunching with MPEG2 files and expect  
that consumer DVD players will be computing-wise enough to deal with  
it. I even expect VOBs just to be some concatenation of the files  
with  a TOC but I really don't know.
     (2) Use some F/OSS project to spawn a player window and play the  
thing. That's the approach taken by many players on VersionTracker,  
the popular MPlayer OS X does just that, and it works. But I think  
you might have some trouble bundling GPL apps with commercialware,  
look for a BSD licensed one and be happy.
     (3) Do you know in advance what DVDs you'll have to play? is  
this like training material with a rich client? if so, please for the  
love of consistency, just convert the DVDs back to MPEG2, burn new  
DVD-ROM, load it in a player with no fuss. (but that may not be an  
option...)
     (4) AppleScript to the rescue!!! use applescript + Apple DVD  
Player, just drive apples player!!! that's a hack, but we love hacks  
don't we?

Cheers
andre


On Jul 10, 2005, at 12:35 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Richard-
>
> Saturday, July 9, 2005, 4:12:01 PM, you wrote:
>
> RG> I have a customer who would like to play a video DVD (true  
> video DVD,
> RG> not a video file on DVD-ROM) in one of our Rev-based products.   
> I'm not
> RG> familiar with any way to get a player to play a DVD -- is there?
>
> Have you looked at vlc?
>
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Jul 10 00:02:23 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 21:02:23 -0700
Subject: What About Newbies
In-Reply-To: <20050710020524.77622.qmail@web53005.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050710020524.77622.qmail@web53005.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <17244406753.20050709210223@ahsoftware.net>

Tom-

Saturday, July 9, 2005, 7:05:24 PM, you wrote:

TM> How about a basic explanation of an If/Then and a Do While algorithm?
 
To tide you over until you get the book, how about:

-- this asks for input and just compares it to a value.

ask "please type a number"
if it is 123 then
  answer "you got it!"
else
  answer "try again"
end if

-- here's a version that loops until you get the right answer
-- the repeat / end repeat construct is the equivalent
-- of the "do while" construct you'll find elsewhere

repeat until x is 123
  ask "please type a number"
  put it into x
end repeat

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sun Jul 10 00:05:39 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:05:39 +0200
Subject: What About Newbies
In-Reply-To: <20050710020524.77622.qmail@web53005.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050710020524.77622.qmail@web53005.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20F5A32D-EA2C-4A23-A270-2B94D908CA73@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Tom,

Welcome to this list.
Don't let you be intimated by those you call gurus: in a few months  
(or a little bit longer :-), you can become one of them.
All advanced users on this list are kind people who *love* to answer  
newbies (or not) questions.
Only a little advice: try to be the most precise you can be in your  
requests (I know it's difficult when beginning) and avoid too large  
scope questions which would request a book or two: posts on this list  
are limited to 15 KB :-)

You have already got relevant answers from others.
I shall add you might be interested by:

. RevJournal at http://www.revjournal.com/tutorials/index.html where  
you will find links and articles one of which, especially dedicated  
to beginners, is an extensive explanation of "if/then/else"  
conditional structure.
. My web-site (address below) where you will be able to download  
Tutorials Picker: I have already released 17 tutorials stacks. Some  
of them are a bit complicated for beginners but others will help you  
to get started with many basic features.
. You could check also the following links:
http://dmoz.org/Computers/Programming/Languages/Transcript/
http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=runtimerevoluti1
which are good doors to Revolution sites.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

Le 10 juil. 05 ? 04:05, Tom McDonald a ?crit :

> I've been running tutorials and whatever else is available to a  
> newcomer to Revolution but have become frustrated because it is all  
> beyond me The daily material is all about technical stuff between  
> gurus. There is nothing for the newbie. The videos are smoothly  
> presented and the diction is impressive but it's all above me.  
> There's a group of advanced users swapping esoteric fixes.
> I need a video turorial that simply explains how to create a data  
> base of many text screens that can be called up as needed or on a  
> random basis.
> How about a basic explanation of an If/Then and a Do While algorithm?
> Perhaps an explanation of how and where to locate plug-ins and how  
> to use them.
> Perhaps a kindergarten section in the daily blurbs would assist  
> people like me.

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From katir at hindu.org  Sun Jul 10 01:20:56 2005
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 19:20:56 -1000
Subject: preserve vertical white space in XML?
In-Reply-To: <841E713D-F0D3-11D9-9C7E-000393AEC28C@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <841E713D-F0D3-11D9-9C7E-000393AEC28C@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <DFE4C76A-5EE0-44E1-98F5-02170EAEC46C@hindu.org>

Great! that does help... yes, all cr's retained..

thanks

Where is this documented?

skts


On Jul 09, 2005, at 1:45 PM, Terry Judd wrote:

> Actually you can maintain at least some formatting by passing  
> 'true' as a(n undocumented)  third parameter to the revXMLText  
> function...
>
> put revXMLText(treeID,,true)
>
> HTH
>
> Terry...



From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Sun Jul 10 02:36:16 2005
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 23:36:16 -0700
Subject: Intersecting data question/challenge
In-Reply-To: <963331A2-B3C9-43E8-B695-953CA634C0FD@scarlet.be>
Message-ID: <BEF60FF0.ED46%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

On 7/9/05 2:49 AM, "Buster" <wouter.abraham at scarlet.be> wrote:

> on mouseUp
>    ### filling the data sets
>   ### change by hand or by use a scrollbar
>    repeat 500  --round(thumbpos of sb "A")
>      put random(10000) & cr after A
>    end repeat
>    repeat 200   --round(thumbpos of sb "B")
>      put random(10000) & cr after B
>    end repeat
>    put 0 into time1
>    put 0 into time2
>    put 0 into time3
>    repeat 10
>      put A into x
>      put B into y
>      ### custom prop method
>      put the long seconds into zap
>      set the customkeys of me to x
>      put the customproperties of me into arrA
>      set the customkeys of me to y
>      put the customproperties of me into arrB
>      intersect arrA with arrB
>      put keys(arrA) into tKeys1
>      add the long seconds - zap to time1
>      set the customkeys of me to ""
>      ### replace split method
>      put the long seconds into zap
>      replace cr with tab & cr in x
>      split x with cr and tab
>      replace cr with tab & cr in y
>      split y with cr and tab
>      intersect x with y
>      put keys(y) into tKeys2
>      add the long seconds - zap to time2
>      ### repeat for each + is not among method
>      put A into x
>      put B into y
>      replace cr with comma in x
>      replace cr with comma in y
>      put "" into tList
>      put the long seconds into zap
>      repeat for each item i in x
>        if i is not among the items of y and i is not among the lines
> of tList then put i & cr after tList
>      end repeat
>      add the long seconds - zap to time3
>    end repeat
>    put time1 &cr& time2 & cr & time3
> end mouseUp


The times reported for the second and third methods above are suspect,
because tKeys2 and tList do not match tKeys1.

>      put keys(y) into tKeys2
should be "put keys(x) into tKeys2"

>        if i is not among the items of y
should be "if i is among the items of y"

Also, the time for the second method is overstated, because the code
includes two unnecessary statements:
>      replace cr with tab & cr in x
>      replace cr with tab & cr in y

Despite the inaccuracies, the conclusions remain:
  the first method loses
  the second method wins for long lists
  the third method wins for short lists

Informal testing suggests that the third method wins when the shorter of the
two input lists has around fifty or more lines.  So a general, optimized
handler can choose the method by inspecting the input lists.

Further insights, anyone?

-- Dick




From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sun Jul 10 03:13:55 2005
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:13:55 -0700
Subject: documentation mini-bug
In-Reply-To: <42CFDF67.9030504@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>
	<1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net>	<42CF01B4.4030406@sover.net>
	<7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>
	<42CFDF67.9030504@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <p06230900bef67ac8b12a@[192.168.1.107]>

I don't think MS, like Adobe, would admit to having bugs; they're 
called 'features'.

sqb


>Derek Bump wrote:
>
>
>Example #3:  90% of the people I know in the computer world are 
>unsatisfied with Microsoft Windows (All Versions).  Have they ever 
>written a letter or email to let Microsoft know about the bugs that 
>they experienced...nope. (In most cases they would either switch to 
>a Mac or just live with it hoping that Microsoft would read their 
>minds.)
>


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sun Jul 10 03:48:26 2005
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:48:26 -0700
Subject: PODCASTING WITH RUNREV
In-Reply-To: <42CFE4A7.9070700@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <BEF55B07.D0D1%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
	<42CFE4A7.9070700@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <p06230901bef682056328@[10.71.0.208]>

I would say it would be more like 60% - the AUDIO EDIT portion would 
be a big hurdle. Graphic waveform editing would be required, and 
that's not trivial. Or are we talking scripting other apps and gluing 
together?


>Can you record a MP3 with QuickTime utilizing the EnhancedQT 
>External. If not, can you convert an AIFF or WAV file to MP3 or 
>Apple Lossless utilizing the EnhancedQT External.  If you can do 
>that, you've solved 90% of the problem.  The rest, as you said, 
>would be the RSS feed.
>
>Derek Bump


From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Sun Jul 10 05:56:22 2005
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 19:56:22 +1000
Subject: preserve vertical white space in XML?
In-Reply-To: <20050710025644.799EC824D5A@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <DF22F371-F128-11D9-A686-000393AEC28C@unimelb.edu.au>


On Sunday, July 10, 2005, at 12:56  PM, 
use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> From: Mark Smith <mark at maseurope.net>
> Date: Sun Jul 10, 2005  10:46:37  AM Australia/Melbourne
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: preserve vertical white space in XML?
> Reply-To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>
>
> Well I'll be...how on earth did you find that out?
>
> Mark

I think Tuviah 'revealed' that one when I was moaning about having to 
implement my own text padding routine a couple of years ago. Makes you 
wonder if there are any other undocumented XML 'gems' out there.

Cheers,

Terry...
>
> On 10 Jul 2005, at 00:45, Terry Judd wrote:
>
>> Actually you can maintain at least some formatting by passing 'true' 
>> as a(n undocumented)  third parameter to the revXMLText function...
>>
>> put revXMLText(treeID,,true)
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Terry...



From rev at armbase.com  Sun Jul 10 07:19:03 2005
From: rev at armbase.com (Bob Hartley)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 12:19:03 +0100
Subject: Runrev to PDAT palm databases
Message-ID: <gemini.ijesrr000eraq02hc.rev@armbase.com>

Hi All.

I have a wee app for you all. It is a wee database designer that I made for
people on the PDAtoolbox forum. A lot of the code needs cleaned up and
shortened and indeed put into the main stack and declared, however, for
newbies it is probably better as it is, in it's raw state.

see 

www.pdatnutsandbolts.com for what PDAToolbox is.

The app is usefull for newbies wanting to learn how to copy fields, rename
them etc. The is also a font changer to make labels. This shows how the
enduser without runrev can change things like label text etc.

It also shows how to communicate via the shell (never did get dynamic paths
sorted) to make a PalmOS PDAT database file IE a PDB via an external app.
Hope you find it useful. It is a free app. You can do what you like with it.
You can nick the code etc. Naturaly you should include a suitable citation
if you use it in an app.

It is windows only for converting to PDAToolbox, however if you only want a
look at a wee desktop database designer then it is naturally usefull for
all. Anyway, I'm off to do the garden. :-)

There is a wee manual on the site below. 
http://www.armbase.com/Untitled_2.html

You can get the app from
http://www.armbase.com/Untitled_2/ABsource.zip

Cheers
Bob


From alex at tweedly.net  Sun Jul 10 07:34:53 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 12:34:53 +0100
Subject: documentation mini-bug
In-Reply-To: <15642647834.20050709203304@ahsoftware.net>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>	<1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net>
	<42CF01B4.4030406@sover.net>	<7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>	<42CFDF67.9030504@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<AB504C34-17C2-4123-A7D6-F0EE46F4C959@danshafer.com>	<42D01427.20308@tweedly.net>	<13626946426.20050709161122@ahsoftware.net>	<42D06CE6.3040008@tweedly.net>
	<15642647834.20050709203304@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <42D107DD.8040002@tweedly.net>

Mark Wieder wrote:

>Alex-
>
>Saturday, July 9, 2005, 5:33:42 PM, you wrote:
>
>AT> I would hope, and expect, that if I were revising the doc for an entry,
>AT> and there was a web note, I'd look at it and incorporate it. And I'd
>AT> expect that if I were given the task of updating all the docs (or some
>AT> section of them), one of the places I'd look for input (not necessarily
>AT> bugs, just things that might want to be improved or that people are
>AT> having trouble with) would be web notes.
>
>Well yes, but my point was that there's no need to revise a doc entry
>unless you know it needs revising. As far as I know there's no way to
>do a generic web notes search to see if anybody's reported anything.
>  
>
Well, we can't - but Runrev can. The webnotes all live in a single 
folder on their website -
"http://support.runrev.com/docs/webnotes/" so all they need to do is 
look in there.

And each time they're getting ready to do a release, they ought to look 
in there, take any fixes and incorporate them into the docs (and clean 
up any "yadda yadda"s :-)

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From rev at armbase.com  Sun Jul 10 07:39:28 2005
From: rev at armbase.com (Bob Hartley)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 12:39:28 +0100
Subject: Trial Days
In-Reply-To: <5b474a205793c81b70584a7b26d43c75@cox.net>
References: <5b474a205793c81b70584a7b26d43c75@cox.net>
Message-ID: <gemini.ijetps00150p002hc.rev@armbase.com>

You wrote:

> Thanks to Jonathan Lynch and Robert Brenstein for your input. Trial days
> now down to 4 lines.

Hi Bob

Could you post your final code. I'd be interested.

Cheers
Bob; Sunny Scotland
> 
> Regards .. Bob
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From david at evolvs.com  Thu Jul  7 17:12:00 2005
From: david at evolvs.com (David Politi)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 15:12:00 -0600
Subject: [OT] UML Tools for developing Revolution projects
Message-ID: <1F5D83D4-3500-47A8-9279-E279D8A786BC@evolvs.com>

Dear Alex Rice,

My name is David Politi and I am a Junior Designer/Flash Developer  
for evolvs, in Calgary, AB. I found your post via google regarding an  
Omnigraffle extension utulizing the UML spec. I'd love to get my  
hands on one. Have you heard anything about it?
If you can find the time, please let me know.

Yours truly,

David Politi
Junior Designer
-------------------------------
Evolvs Media Inc.
1920 11th Street SE
Calgary, AB T2G 3G2
+1 403.262.2676 ext.33



From richmond at mail.maclaunch.com  Fri Jul  8 12:24:28 2005
From: richmond at mail.maclaunch.com (Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 12:24:28 -0400
Subject: Why I won't buy an A9Home . . . On Topic!
Message-ID: <web-334192947@mail.maclaunch.com>

As my first PC (as in Personal Computer - rather than
clunking along on some terminal with somebody else's
paw-prints all over it) was a BBC Master I have long longed
for a RISC OS machine. The A9Home (at last) seems just the
'thing'
(http://www.advantagesix.co.uk/products/A9home.html)
smaller than the MacMini, featuring an OS in Flash-ROM (no
viruses, nothing), and so eccentric one can really look odd
owning one (maybe I should not have written that last bit).

Of course, RISC OS is used in so many embedded systems that
the ability to write stuff for it is really useful.

I will not buy an A9Home because, so far, there is no
version of MC/RR for RISC OS. Considering that quite a few
RISC OS machines are used in the UK (as well as elsewhere)
in educational environments, it seems a shame there is
neither MC/RR for RISC OS, or, at least, an engine that
allows users of MC/RR on Linux/Win/Mac to produce RISC OS
compatible standalones.

Sincerely, Richmond
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From richmond at mail.maclaunch.com  Sat Jul  9 05:11:52 2005
From: richmond at mail.maclaunch.com (Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 05:11:52 -0400
Subject: RR Documentation, mini-bugs, and so on . . . 
Message-ID: <web-334218782@mail.maclaunch.com>

Well,

I read something a bit odd
by a chap called Jon on the Rev use-list about
supposed bugs in the 2.6 documentation.

And, being the sort that finds it awfully difficult to keep
my mouth shut (no, surely not?) I thought I would bung in
my few cents worth:

Being the proud, new owner of DreamCard 2.6, I find myself
returning repeatedly to RR 2.0.1 to consult the Transcript
Dictionary - Why ??? - because, in my experience it is
considerably SIMPLER and MORE RESPONSIVE than the HELP
system in 2.6 which, I feel, suffers from a type of FEATURE
BLOAT.

Maybe, the HELP system in 2.6 needs to be 'chopped up' into
lots of interconnected substacks that will not slow things
down so drastically.

My development machine is a G4 Mac (dual 1.27 GHz, 1 GB
RAM), so not quite as slow as some computers - but when I
open HELP in DC 2.6 everything grinds to a halt.

So, ran RR 2.0.1 in the background until I worked out how
to extract the Transcript dictionary and import it into the
RevTools stack of my DC 2.6 --- not totally satisfactory,
but it will do at the moment.

Certainly, the Transcript Dictionary (and other parts of
the RR 2 help system) work lika a charm compared to 2.6.

Might be something to do with the eye-candy, might be
something to do with 2.6 suddenly using an awful lot of
RAM.

Sincerely, Richmond
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From Hamburger1 at aol.com  Sun Jul 10 08:22:30 2005
From: Hamburger1 at aol.com (Hamburger1 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:22:30 EDT
Subject: What About Newbies
Message-ID: <c4.2b097e33.30026d06@aol.com>

I couldn't agree more.

I'm having a great deal of trouble porting my HyperCard stacks and I really 
need someone to hold my hand!

Joe
Orlando, FL


From jbondy at sover.net  Sun Jul 10 08:28:36 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:28:36 -0400
Subject: documentation mini-bug
In-Reply-To: <42D06CE6.3040008@tweedly.net>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>	<1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net>	<42CF01B4.4030406@sover.net>	<7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>	<42CFDF67.9030504@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<AB504C34-17C2-4123-A7D6-F0EE46F4C959@danshafer.com>	<42D01427.20308@tweedly.net>	<13626946426.20050709161122@ahsoftware.net>
	<42D06CE6.3040008@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <42D11474.1050902@sover.net>

OK.  What exactly is "web notes"?

:)

Jon


Alex Tweedly wrote:

> Mark Wieder wrote:
>
>> Alex-
>>
>> Saturday, July 9, 2005, 11:15:03 AM, you wrote:
>>
>> AT> and everything else is just overhead.  I've taken to "reporting" 
>> these
>> AT> via Web Notes, on the assumption that anything reported in there 
>> will be
>> AT> rolled into the next release of the docs.
>>
>> Unless I'm missing something, if you post something in Web Notes it
>> overwrites anything anyone else may have posted there.
>
>


From jbondy at sover.net  Sun Jul 10 08:39:14 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:39:14 -0400
Subject: What About Newbies
In-Reply-To: <20050710020524.77622.qmail@web53005.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050710020524.77622.qmail@web53005.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42D116F2.1040309@sover.net>

Tom:

I've been where you are, and it is VERY frustrating. Novices are not 
handled gently by the Rev documentation.

I'd start off looking around for sample stacks and looking at how they 
work.  This can be very instructive.  There are LOTS of stacks freely 
available for download through Rev Online.  There are a few list folks 
who also have extensive sets of free stacks which do lots of exciting 
things.  It can be difficult, at first, figuring out how to find the 
scripts, since they are separately associated with each object: click on 
an object, click on the Script icon, and you should be able to see what 
is going on.  The Application Browser (in the Tools menu) can also be 
helpful in seeing what is present, and in getting to the object 
Inspector and the scripts for those objects.  Right clicking on any 
language word in a script will take you to the help for that word, and 
the help is usually helpful.  Good examples for each help entry would be 
better, but the Help is adequate.

As far as your specific request, databases and multiple windows, I agree 
that I have not found anything that addresses this at a novice level.  
For one thing, since database hooks are provided in Rev, but databases 
are not, databases become complex, because you have to first consider 
what database to use, and you are saddled with the consequences of that 
decision.  It is difficult to write Rev documentation that encompasses 
all of the various databases on all of the various platforms.

If you persist, probably through writing some simple applications at 
first, you will find Rev to be useful, if slightly buggy and quirky (at 
least compared to the languages I used in the past). There are some 
elegant aspects of Rev and the IDE; in the end, you may find yourself to 
be more productive (at least in some areas) then you were in your prior 
development environment.

Finally, if you ask any specific question, even a novice one, on this 
list, you are sure to get help.  The people here are the best. 

Hang in there!

:)

Jon


Tom McDonald wrote:

>I've been running tutorials and whatever else is available to a newcomer to Revolution but have become frustrated because it is all beyond me The daily material is all about technical stuff between gurus. There is nothing for the newbie. The videos are smoothly presented and the diction is impressive but it's all above me. There's a group of advanced users swapping esoteric fixes.
> 
>I need a video turorial that simply explains how to create a data base of many text screens that can be called up as needed or on a random basis.
> 
>How about a basic explanation of an If/Then and a Do While algorithm?
> 
>Perhaps an explanation of how and where to locate plug-ins and how to use them.
> 
>Perhaps a kindergarten section in the daily blurbs would assist people like me.
> 
>Thanks,
> 
>Tom McDonald
> 
> 
>
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sun Jul 10 08:50:55 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 14:50:55 +0200
Subject: What About Newbies
In-Reply-To: <42D116F2.1040309@sover.net>
References: <20050710020524.77622.qmail@web53005.mail.yahoo.com>
	<42D116F2.1040309@sover.net>
Message-ID: <B51D39E7-6DB7-42EE-80D9-8BA1E97EA2E7@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Jon and Tom.. and all,

I agree with you Jon, and I have to say that seeing your evolution on  
this list since a few weeks, you are making dazzling progresses :-)
Just a few words to tell you that in a few days I shall release a new  
plugin able to make an intelligent and contextual search in the docs  
with additional amazing features regarding to mailing lists, Rev  
Online, Revnet and all the web...
So keep in touch: this new plugin might appear as a universal sesame  
key to all questions that newcomers or more advanced users ask  
themselves :-)

Le 10 juil. 05 ? 14:39, Jon a ?crit :

> I've been where you are, and it is VERY frustrating. Novices are  
> not handled gently by the Rev documentation.
>
> I'd start off looking around for sample stacks and looking at how  
> they work.  This can be very instructive.  There are LOTS of stacks  
> freely available for download through Rev Online.  There are a few  
> list folks who also have extensive sets of free stacks which do  
> lots of exciting things.  It can be difficult, at first, figuring  
> out how to find the scripts, since they are separately associated  
> with each object: click on an object, click on the Script icon, and  
> you should be able to see what is going on.  The Application  
> Browser (in the Tools menu) can also be helpful in seeing what is  
> present, and in getting to the object Inspector and the scripts for  
> those objects.  Right clicking on any language word in a script  
> will take you to the help for that word, and the help is usually  
> helpful.  Good examples for each help entry would be better, but  
> the Help is adequate.
>
> As far as your specific request, databases and multiple windows, I  
> agree that I have not found anything that addresses this at a  
> novice level.  For one thing, since database hooks are provided in  
> Rev, but databases are not, databases become complex, because you  
> have to first consider what database to use, and you are saddled  
> with the consequences of that decision.  It is difficult to write  
> Rev documentation that encompasses all of the various databases on  
> all of the various platforms.
>
> If you persist, probably through writing some simple applications  
> at first, you will find Rev to be useful, if slightly buggy and  
> quirky (at least compared to the languages I used in the past).  
> There are some elegant aspects of Rev and the IDE; in the end, you  
> may find yourself to be more productive (at least in some areas)  
> then you were in your prior development environment.
>
> Finally, if you ask any specific question, even a novice one, on  
> this list, you are sure to get help.  The people here are the best.
> Hang in there!

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From jbondy at sover.net  Sun Jul 10 09:03:18 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 09:03:18 -0400
Subject: RR Documentation, mini-bugs, and so on . . .
In-Reply-To: <web-334218782@mail.maclaunch.com>
References: <web-334218782@mail.maclaunch.com>
Message-ID: <42D11C96.8020602@sover.net>

While I have criticized Rev about a number of things, I have no speed 
problems with any of the documentation.  I wonder what else is going on.

:)

Jon


Mathewson wrote:

>Well,
>
>I read something a bit odd
>by a chap called Jon on the Rev use-list about
>supposed bugs in the 2.6 documentation.
>
>And, being the sort that finds it awfully difficult to keep
>my mouth shut (no, surely not?) I thought I would bung in
>my few cents worth:
>
>Being the proud, new owner of DreamCard 2.6, I find myself
>returning repeatedly to RR 2.0.1 to consult the Transcript
>Dictionary - Why ??? - because, in my experience it is
>considerably SIMPLER and MORE RESPONSIVE than the HELP
>system in 2.6 which, I feel, suffers from a type of FEATURE
>BLOAT.
>
>Maybe, the HELP system in 2.6 needs to be 'chopped up' into
>lots of interconnected substacks that will not slow things
>down so drastically.
>
>My development machine is a G4 Mac (dual 1.27 GHz, 1 GB
>RAM), so not quite as slow as some computers - but when I
>open HELP in DC 2.6 everything grinds to a halt.
>
>So, ran RR 2.0.1 in the background until I worked out how
>to extract the Transcript dictionary and import it into the
>RevTools stack of my DC 2.6 --- not totally satisfactory,
>but it will do at the moment.
>
>Certainly, the Transcript Dictionary (and other parts of
>the RR 2 help system) work lika a charm compared to 2.6.
>
>Might be something to do with the eye-candy, might be
>something to do with 2.6 suddenly using an awful lot of
>RAM.
>
>Sincerely, Richmond
>__________________________________________________
>See Mathewson's software at:
>
>http://members.maclaunch.com/richmond/default.html
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>  
>


From jbondy at sover.net  Sun Jul 10 09:07:52 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 09:07:52 -0400
Subject: <tabs> in the editor(s)
Message-ID: <42D11DA8.3060008@sover.net>

I guess I should have asked this obvious question a few weeks ago, when 
it was revealed that <tab> reformats text rather than inserting the 
<tab> character.

How does one insert a <tab> character using the editor(s) [including 
Constellation, Jerry]?  I want to create a table of values, and I think 
I need to use tabs to separate out the various values.  Or maybe I'm on 
the wrong track entirely.  Won't be the first time...

;)

Jon


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sun Jul 10 09:16:12 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 15:16:12 +0200
Subject: <tabs> in the editor(s)
In-Reply-To: <42D11DA8.3060008@sover.net>
References: <42D11DA8.3060008@sover.net>
Message-ID: <4413DB47-3039-4544-8B25-1420534EDA3A@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Jon,

In usual scripts you can use the tab constant:
put "Jon" & tab & "Bondy" into tGuy
Or if you build html by coding:
put "<p>" & "Jon" & "&#9;" & "Bondy" & "</p>" into tGuy
Is that clear?

Le 10 juil. 05 ? 15:07, Jon a ?crit :

> I guess I should have asked this obvious question a few weeks ago,  
> when it was revealed that <tab> reformats text rather than  
> inserting the <tab> character.
>
> How does one insert a <tab> character using the editor(s)  
> [including Constellation, Jerry]?  I want to create a table of  
> values, and I think I need to use tabs to separate out the various  
> values.  Or maybe I'm on the wrong track entirely.  Won't be the  
> first time...

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From alex at tweedly.net  Sun Jul 10 09:34:12 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 14:34:12 +0100
Subject: documentation mini-bug
In-Reply-To: <42D11474.1050902@sover.net>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>	<1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net>	<42CF01B4.4030406@sover.net>	<7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>	<42CFDF67.9030504@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<AB504C34-17C2-4123-A7D6-F0EE46F4C959@danshafer.com>	<42D01427.20308@tweedly.net>	<13626946426.20050709161122@ahsoftware.net>	<42D06CE6.3040008@tweedly.net>
	<42D11474.1050902@sover.net>
Message-ID: <42D123D4.8090508@tweedly.net>

Jon wrote:

> OK.  What exactly is "web notes"?
>
> :)
>
> Jon

It's a feature in the documentation (introduced in 2.5, I think).

At the bottom of the documentation window (where the "status" bar would 
go) there are two clickable boxes,
 Show mouse over text
and
 Download and show web notes

If you enable the second one, then when you view the doc entry 
(certainly  from the transcript dictionary, I guess from the other parts 
too though I haven't seen that personally), Rev will check on the web 
site to see if there are any user-added web notes, and if there are, it 
will download them and display (as though a footnote).  (btw - you don't 
need to scroll to the bottom to check if there is a webnote - if there 
is, the word "cached" will appear in the status bar)

(example - "abbrev". Possibly also "sort container" because I just added 
one there - but there may be a delay before it appears; it may even need 
to be verified by someone to prevent misuse).

If you want to add a web note, you can do so by clicking on the 
second-from-the-right button at the top of the window - looks vaguely 
like a globe with a + sign added. This lets you *edit* the web notes. 
What you put in overwrites anything already there - so please take care 
to retain anything that's already there. Note the stupid little pop-up 
editor doesn't do this for you - so you need to copy/paste from the web 
note. :-(

I thought (I was *sure*) I had seen a BZ reporting this stupidity - but 
I can't find it now. Anyone know if there is ?

-- 
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From jbondy at sover.net  Sun Jul 10 09:40:10 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 09:40:10 -0400
Subject: <tabs> in the editor(s)
In-Reply-To: <4413DB47-3039-4544-8B25-1420534EDA3A@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <42D11DA8.3060008@sover.net>
	<4413DB47-3039-4544-8B25-1420534EDA3A@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <42D1253A.2020904@sover.net>

Eric:

Ah.  I'm getting confused because the UI for the script editor is 
different than the UI for the property inspector.  <Tab>s actually work 
as expected in the property inspector, just not in the editor.

ARRRGHHhhhhh.

OK.  I'm better now.  Thanks.

Jon


Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi Jon,
>
> In usual scripts you can use the tab constant:
> put "Jon" & tab & "Bondy" into tGuy
> Or if you build html by coding:
> put "<p>" & "Jon" & "&#9;" & "Bondy" & "</p>" into tGuy
> Is that clear?
>
> Le 10 juil. 05 ? 15:07, Jon a ?crit :
>
>> I guess I should have asked this obvious question a few weeks ago,  
>> when it was revealed that <tab> reformats text rather than  inserting 
>> the <tab> character.
>>
>> How does one insert a <tab> character using the editor(s)  [including 
>> Constellation, Jerry]?  I want to create a table of  values, and I 
>> think I need to use tabs to separate out the various  values.  Or 
>> maybe I'm on the wrong track entirely.  Won't be the  first time...
>
>
> Best Regards from Paris,
>
> Eric Chatonet.
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From alex at tweedly.net  Sun Jul 10 09:42:34 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 14:42:34 +0100
Subject: <tabs> in the editor(s)
In-Reply-To: <42D11DA8.3060008@sover.net>
References: <42D11DA8.3060008@sover.net>
Message-ID: <42D125CA.5060909@tweedly.net>

Jon wrote:

> I guess I should have asked this obvious question a few weeks ago, 
> when it was revealed that <tab> reformats text rather than inserting 
> the <tab> character.
>
> How does one insert a <tab> character using the editor(s) [including 
> Constellation, Jerry]?  I want to create a table of values, and I 
> think I need to use tabs to separate out the various values.  Or maybe 
> I'm on the wrong track entirely.  Won't be the first time...

I usually do something like

local myVar = "1,2,3"
....
replace comma by TAB in myVar
....

though I have been known to do

>   put "asd\twer" into a
>   replace "\t" with TAB in a

Or use a different character instead (I often use "|", in any case where 
I might want to deal with "normal text" which might contain tab 
characters); obviously you can't do that if you need tab-formatting in 
output to fields, but otherwise it's often a better choice.

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From sims at ezpzapps.com  Sun Jul 10 09:41:52 2005
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 15:41:52 +0200
Subject: documentation mini-bug
In-Reply-To: <42D123D4.8090508@tweedly.net>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>
	<1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net>	<42CF01B4.4030406@sover.net>
	<7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>
	<42CFDF67.9030504@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<AB504C34-17C2-4123-A7D6-F0EE46F4C959@danshafer.com>
	<42D01427.20308@tweedly.net>	<13626946426.20050709161122@ahsoftware.net>
	<42D06CE6.3040008@tweedly.net>	<42D11474.1050902@sover.net>
	<42D123D4.8090508@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <p06200711bef6d57b72ee@[10.0.0.6]>

At 2:34 PM +0100 7/10/05, Alex Tweedly wrote:
>I thought (I was *sure*) I had seen a BZ reporting this stupidity - 
>but I can't find it now. Anyone know if there is ?

Using RevZillza > Search for Bugs  "web note"  results in 1661, 1725, 2106
All are labeled RESO  FIXE.

Maybe search for some other term??

ciao,
sims


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sun Jul 10 09:46:41 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 15:46:41 +0200
Subject: <tabs> in the editor(s)
In-Reply-To: <42D1253A.2020904@sover.net>
References: <42D11DA8.3060008@sover.net>
	<4413DB47-3039-4544-8B25-1420534EDA3A@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<42D1253A.2020904@sover.net>
Message-ID: <6F61E88C-B6AA-4375-845B-B294C8073A1B@sosmartsoftware.com>

Don't be confused; No worth :-)
I shall add that in Rev prior to 2.5.1 you could type a tab in the  
message box and copy it.
But since, runRev guys revised the message box stack and now,  
pressing the tab key switches between upper and lower field.
More respect for guide lines but less handy :-(

Le 10 juil. 05 ? 15:40, Jon a ?crit :

> Ah.  I'm getting confused because the UI for the script editor is  
> different than the UI for the property inspector.  <Tab>s actually  
> work as expected in the property inspector, just not in the editor.
>
> ARRRGHHhhhhh.
>
> OK.  I'm better now.  Thanks.


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From sims at ezpzapps.com  Sun Jul 10 09:47:12 2005
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 15:47:12 +0200
Subject: visual effect, tabbed btn, groups
Message-ID: <p06200712bef6d6aebacb@[10.0.0.6]>

  I have a tab btn with the following script:



  on menuPick newTab,oldTab
     lock screen
     hide grp  oldTab
     show grp newTab
     unlock screen with  visual effect dissolve 
   end menuPick

This shows one group and hides the other (actually two images right now).
Works but no visual effect.

Should the visual effect work with 2 groups?

ciao,
sims


From jbondy at sover.net  Sun Jul 10 09:49:05 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 09:49:05 -0400
Subject: documentation mini-bug
In-Reply-To: <42D123D4.8090508@tweedly.net>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>	<1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net>	<42CF01B4.4030406@sover.net>	<7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>	<42CFDF67.9030504@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<AB504C34-17C2-4123-A7D6-F0EE46F4C959@danshafer.com>	<42D01427.20308@tweedly.net>	<13626946426.20050709161122@ahsoftware.net>	<42D06CE6.3040008@tweedly.net>	<42D11474.1050902@sover.net>
	<42D123D4.8090508@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <42D12751.2020306@sover.net>

Alex:

Thanks for the explanation. All make sense to me, except for "If you 
want to add a web note, you can do so by clicking on the 
second-from-the-right button at the top of the window - looks vaguely 
like a globe with a + sign added."

I can see no such icon.

:)

Jon



Alex Tweedly wrote:

> Jon wrote:
>
>> OK.  What exactly is "web notes"?
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Jon
>
>
> It's a feature in the documentation (introduced in 2.5, I think).
>
> At the bottom of the documentation window (where the "status" bar 
> would go) there are two clickable boxes,
> Show mouse over text
> and
> Download and show web notes
>
> If you enable the second one, then when you view the doc entry 
> (certainly  from the transcript dictionary, I guess from the other 
> parts too though I haven't seen that personally), Rev will check on 
> the web site to see if there are any user-added web notes, and if 
> there are, it will download them and display (as though a footnote).  
> (btw - you don't need to scroll to the bottom to check if there is a 
> webnote - if there is, the word "cached" will appear in the status bar)
>
> (example - "abbrev". Possibly also "sort container" because I just 
> added one there - but there may be a delay before it appears; it may 
> even need to be verified by someone to prevent misuse).
>
> If you want to add a web note, you can do so by clicking on the 
> second-from-the-right button at the top of the window - looks vaguely 
> like a globe with a + sign added. This lets you *edit* the web notes. 
> What you put in overwrites anything already there - so please take 
> care to retain anything that's already there. Note the stupid little 
> pop-up editor doesn't do this for you - so you need to copy/paste from 
> the web note. :-(
>
> I thought (I was *sure*) I had seen a BZ reporting this stupidity - 
> but I can't find it now. Anyone know if there is ?
>


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sun Jul 10 09:50:21 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 15:50:21 +0200
Subject: documentation mini-bug
In-Reply-To: <42D123D4.8090508@tweedly.net>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>	<1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net>	<42CF01B4.4030406@sover.net>	<7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>	<42CFDF67.9030504@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<AB504C34-17C2-4123-A7D6-F0EE46F4C959@danshafer.com>	<42D01427.20308@tweedly.net>	<13626946426.20050709161122@ahsoftware.net>	<42D06CE6.3040008@tweedly.net>
	<42D11474.1050902@sover.net> <42D123D4.8090508@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <C1F53B90-CB1B-4A90-850C-3D17416C2338@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Alex,

Good idea but unfinished.
Deliberately I think.
To avoid managing stupid TEP :-)

Le 10 juil. 05 ? 15:34, Alex Tweedly a ?crit :

> It's a feature in the documentation (introduced in 2.5, I think).
>
> At the bottom of the documentation window (where the "status" bar  
> would go) there are two clickable boxes,
> Show mouse over text
> and
> Download and show web notes
>
> If you enable the second one, then when you view the doc entry  
> (certainly  from the transcript dictionary, I guess from the other  
> parts too though I haven't seen that personally), Rev will check on  
> the web site to see if there are any user-added web notes, and if  
> there are, it will download them and display (as though a  
> footnote).  (btw - you don't need to scroll to the bottom to check  
> if there is a webnote - if there is, the word "cached" will appear  
> in the status bar)
>
> (example - "abbrev". Possibly also "sort container" because I just  
> added one there - but there may be a delay before it appears; it  
> may even need to be verified by someone to prevent misuse).
>
> If you want to add a web note, you can do so by clicking on the  
> second-from-the-right button at the top of the window - looks  
> vaguely like a globe with a + sign added. This lets you *edit* the  
> web notes. What you put in overwrites anything already there - so  
> please take care to retain anything that's already there. Note the  
> stupid little pop-up editor doesn't do this for you - so you need  
> to copy/paste from the web note. :-(
>
> I thought (I was *sure*) I had seen a BZ reporting this stupidity -  
> but I can't find it now. Anyone know if there is ?

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sun Jul 10 09:54:03 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 15:54:03 +0200
Subject: visual effect, tabbed btn, groups
In-Reply-To: <p06200712bef6d6aebacb@[10.0.0.6]>
References: <p06200712bef6d6aebacb@[10.0.0.6]>
Message-ID: <5833FF1C-84AE-4A60-9F02-1F857B5CF31C@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Sims,

I was yet confronted with this problem.
In fact, menuPick automatically locks the screen.
So just suppress your lock screen and it will work in all cases  
(groups, images or everything).
You must have a parity between lock and unlock screen...

Le 10 juil. 05 ? 15:47, sims a ?crit :

>  I have a tab btn with the following script:

>  on menuPick newTab,oldTab
>     lock screen
>     hide grp  oldTab
>     show grp newTab
>     unlock screen with  visual effect dissolve
> end menuPick
>
> This shows one group and hides the other (actually two images right  
> now).
> Works but no visual effect.
>
> Should the visual effect work with 2 groups?

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
----------------------------------------------------------------
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For institutions, companies and associations
Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc.
Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch

Free plugins and tutorials on my website
----------------------------------------------------------------
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Email        eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/
Phone        33 (0)1 43 31 77 62
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From sims at ezpzapps.com  Sun Jul 10 09:59:34 2005
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 15:59:34 +0200
Subject: visual effect, tabbed btn, groups
In-Reply-To: <5833FF1C-84AE-4A60-9F02-1F857B5CF31C@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <p06200712bef6d6aebacb@[10.0.0.6]>
	<5833FF1C-84AE-4A60-9F02-1F857B5CF31C@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <p06200715bef6da1887af@[10.0.0.6]>

At 3:54 PM +0200 7/10/05, Eric Chatonet wrote:
>In fact, menuPick automatically locks the screen.
>So just suppress your lock screen and it will work in all cases 
>(groups, images or everything).
>You must have a parity between lock and unlock screen...

I learn something new everyday. Thanks Eric!

ciao,
sims


From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Sun Jul 10 10:02:15 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:02:15 -0400
Subject: false anti-alarm
Message-ID: <6EC9FC2D-F29E-4A41-A3AF-E814C3228AB4@conncoll.edu>

The idea is to call this handler from an openStack handler, so as to  
change the stack-default font while preserving style tags and either  
preserving, or allowing a global change of, the font for any text  
where font is specified:

on changeFieldTextProps myStack,f,mySize,myFont,myMonoFont
   repeat with c = 1 to the number of cards of stack myStack
     if exists(field f of card c of stack myStack) then
       put the htmlText of field f of card c of stack myStack \
           into hold[c]
     end if
   end repeat
   set the textSize of stack myStack to mySize
   set the textFont of stack myStack to myFont
   repeat with c = 1 to the number of cards of stack myStack
     if exists(field f of card c of stack myStack) then
       set the htmlText of field f of card c of stack myStack \
           to hold[c]
     end if
   end repeat
end changeFieldTextProps

This works when it is called on the main stack of an app. When it is  
called on a substack, it screws up. IN THE SUBSTACK ONLY, wherever  
there's a *style* change, Rev inserts (right before the style tag) a  
*font* tag, which hard-wires whatever *was* the default font before.  
Therefore everything after the first style-tag in the field fails to  
switch to the new default font. Why would this happen in the substack  
and not the main stack?

<omit several paragraphs of rant>


Charles Hartman


From alex at tweedly.net  Sun Jul 10 10:05:44 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 15:05:44 +0100
Subject: documentation mini-bug
In-Reply-To: <p06200711bef6d57b72ee@[10.0.0.6]>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>	<1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net>	<42CF01B4.4030406@sover.net>	<7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>	<42CFDF67.9030504@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<AB504C34-17C2-4123-A7D6-F0EE46F4C959@danshafer.com>	<42D01427.20308@tweedly.net>	<13626946426.20050709161122@ahsoftware.net>	<42D06CE6.3040008@tweedly.net>	<42D11474.1050902@sover.net>	<42D123D4.8090508@tweedly.net>
	<p06200711bef6d57b72ee@[10.0.0.6]>
Message-ID: <42D12B38.7090501@tweedly.net>

sims wrote:

> At 2:34 PM +0100 7/10/05, Alex Tweedly wrote:
>
>> I thought (I was *sure*) I had seen a BZ reporting this stupidity - 
>> but I can't find it now. Anyone know if there is ?
>
>
> Using RevZillza > Search for Bugs  "web note"  results in 1661, 1725, 
> 2106
> All are labeled RESO  FIXE.
>
> Maybe search for some other term??


Yep. "webnote" (all one word) found BZ 2748 for me,

Thanks.

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From rpresender at cox.net  Sun Jul 10 10:07:03 2005
From: rpresender at cox.net (Robert Presender)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:07:03 -0700
Subject: Trial Days
In-Reply-To: <20050710121523.78A65824D1F@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050710121523.78A65824D1F@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <b7fc03b54dc9fc47baba3afc6032b480@cox.net>

Hi Bob,

I made several wrong assumptions about Internet date which I assumed 
would be independent of the system date.  This is not the case.

To answer your inquiry (enter the below in the message box or make it 
into a handler or ....

get the internet date
convert it to dateItems
convert it from dateItems to short date
convert it to seconds
put it --to read the result in the message box

I am back to using English date which is even shorter:

get the english date
convert it to seconds
put it

Regards ... Bob

On Jul 10, 2005, Bob Hartley wrote:

> You wrote:
>
>> Thanks to Jonathan Lynch and Robert Brenstein for your input. Trial 
>> days
>> now down to 4 lines.
>
> Hi Bob
>
> Could you post your final code. I'd be interested.
>
> Cheers
> Bob; Sunny Scotland
>>
>> Regards .. Bob
>>



From alex at tweedly.net  Sun Jul 10 10:11:38 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 15:11:38 +0100
Subject: documentation mini-bug
In-Reply-To: <42D12751.2020306@sover.net>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>	<1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net>	<42CF01B4.4030406@sover.net>	<7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>	<42CFDF67.9030504@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<AB504C34-17C2-4123-A7D6-F0EE46F4C959@danshafer.com>	<42D01427.20308@tweedly.net>	<13626946426.20050709161122@ahsoftware.net>	<42D06CE6.3040008@tweedly.net>	<42D11474.1050902@sover.net>	<42D123D4.8090508@tweedly.net>
	<42D12751.2020306@sover.net>
Message-ID: <42D12C9A.8090800@tweedly.net>

Jon wrote:

> Alex:
>
> Thanks for the explanation. All make sense to me, except for "If you 
> want to add a web note, you can do so by clicking on the 
> second-from-the-right button at the top of the window - looks vaguely 
> like a globe with a + sign added."
>
> I can see no such icon.
>

My bad memory .... sorry.

At the top of the doc window, I have 3 sets of buttons
  1.    left and right arrows
  2.    5 buttons for Getting started, topics, dictionary, objects, 
bookmarks
  3.    3 buttons :
          bookmarks with a + sign - to add a bookmark
          globe (or basketball)  with tiny piece of paper and pencil 
---- this is the one that adds web notes
          printer ?

For no obvious reason, the last two are now grayed out (disabled) for me 
- not sure what's different between now and earlier, when I was able to 
select the "add web note" one.

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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Sun Jul 10 11:59:43 2005
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:59:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: What About Newbies
In-Reply-To: <20F5A32D-EA2C-4A23-A270-2B94D908CA73@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507100857180.14153-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

To which we should add:

http://support.runrev.com/scriptingconferences/
--The company's collection of tutorial stacks & presentation chat sessions

http://revolution.lexicall.org/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=RevolutionTutorials
--Marielle's Revolution for Education Wiki with various tutorials

Judy

On Sun, 10 Jul 2005, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> I shall add you might be interested by:
>
> . RevJournal at http://www.revjournal.com/tutorials/index.html where
> you will find links and articles one of which, especially dedicated
> to beginners, is an extensive explanation of "if/then/else"
> conditional structure.
> . My web-site (address below) where you will be able to download
> Tutorials Picker: I have already released 17 tutorials stacks. Some
> of them are a bit complicated for beginners but others will help you
> to get started with many basic features.
> . You could check also the following links:
> http://dmoz.org/Computers/Programming/Languages/Transcript/
> http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=runtimerevoluti1
> which are good doors to Revolution sites.
>



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Sun Jul 10 12:00:33 2005
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 09:00:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: What About Newbies
In-Reply-To: <20050710020524.77622.qmail@web53005.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507100859540.14153-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Hi Tom,

I'd love to help, but I'm completely database-illiterate.

Can you tell us a little more specifically what it is you want to do?

Judy



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Jul 10 12:16:25 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 09:16:25 -0700
Subject: documentation mini-bug
In-Reply-To: <p06200711bef6d57b72ee@[10\.0\.0\.6]>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>
	<1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net> <42CF01B4.4030406@sover.net>
	<7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>
	<42CFDF67.9030504@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<AB504C34-17C2-4123-A7D6-F0EE46F4C959@danshafer.com>
	<42D01427.20308@tweedly.net>
	<13626946426.20050709161122@ahsoftware.net>
	<42D06CE6.3040008@tweedly.net> <42D11474.1050902@sover.net>
	<42D123D4.8090508@tweedly.net> <p06200711bef6d57b72ee@[10.0.0.6]>
Message-ID: <31993286.20050710091625@ahsoftware.net>

sims-

Sunday, July 10, 2005, 6:41:52 AM, you wrote:

Using RevZillza >> Search for Bugs  "web note"
Using RevZillza >> results in 1661, 1725, 2106
s> All are labeled RESO  FIXE.

Add #2989 and #2990 to the list. <g>

This may just be a temporary server thing - editing seems disabled at
the moment, but there's no way to tell. The edit icon is grayed out.
So is the print icon for some reason.

...and I'm not sure that "cached" is the best notation for "a web note
for this topic exists".

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Jul 10 12:25:38 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 09:25:38 -0700
Subject: RR Documentation, mini-bugs, and so on . . .
In-Reply-To: <42D11C96.8020602@sover.net>
References: <web-334218782@mail.maclaunch.com> <42D11C96.8020602@sover.net>
Message-ID: <1682545780.20050710092538@ahsoftware.net>

Jon-

Sunday, July 10, 2005, 6:03:18 AM, you wrote:

J> While I have criticized Rev about a number of things, I have no speed
J> problems with any of the documentation.  I wonder what else is going on.

Mostly I agree with this, but I do find the "Topics" section
ridiculously slow. I try not to use it unless I'm really stuck.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Jul 10 12:29:45 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 09:29:45 -0700
Subject: documentation mini-bug
In-Reply-To: <42D107DD.8040002@tweedly.net>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>
	<1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net> <42CF01B4.4030406@sover.net>
	<7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>
	<42CFDF67.9030504@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<AB504C34-17C2-4123-A7D6-F0EE46F4C959@danshafer.com>
	<42D01427.20308@tweedly.net>
	<13626946426.20050709161122@ahsoftware.net>
	<42D06CE6.3040008@tweedly.net>
	<15642647834.20050709203304@ahsoftware.net>
	<42D107DD.8040002@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <222792705.20050710092945@ahsoftware.net>

Alex-

Sunday, July 10, 2005, 4:34:53 AM, you wrote:

AT> Well, we can't - but Runrev can. The webnotes all live in a single
AT> folder on their website -
AT> "http://support.runrev.com/docs/webnotes/" so all they need to do is
AT> look in there.

Cool. I notice that some of the Web Notes are now blank or say "Update
Complete", so maybe someone really is riding herd on these things.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Sun Jul 10 12:29:48 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 12:29:48 -0400
Subject: RR Documentation, mini-bugs, and so on . . .
In-Reply-To: <1682545780.20050710092538@ahsoftware.net>
References: <web-334218782@mail.maclaunch.com> <42D11C96.8020602@sover.net>
	<1682545780.20050710092538@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <6D83040F-2DF1-4278-9F80-A330DC3B4B25@conncoll.edu>


On Jul 10, 2005, at 12:25 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Jon-
>
> Sunday, July 10, 2005, 6:03:18 AM, you wrote:
>
> J> While I have criticized Rev about a number of things, I have no  
> speed
> J> problems with any of the documentation.  I wonder what else is  
> going on.
>
> Mostly I agree with this, but I do find the "Topics" section
> ridiculously slow. I try not to use it unless I'm really stuck.

-- especially the "Containers, variables . . ." area, which takes 17  
to 25 seconds to load on a 1.5GHz PowerBook -- & everything else  
stops dead!. (I've filed a BZ report on this.)

Charles Hartman




From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sun Jul 10 12:37:52 2005
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 09:37:52 -0700
Subject: PODCASTING WITH RUNREV
In-Reply-To: <54B05B51-71CF-43C7-96F6-F293DD4253A8@danshafer.com>
References: <BEF55B07.D0D1%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
	<54B05B51-71CF-43C7-96F6-F293DD4253A8@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <p06230904bef6ff0bd74a@[10.71.0.208]>

You might look at Audio Hijack Pro - it already does a lot of this - 
if you are using a Mac.

>On Jul 9, 2005, at 7:44 AM, Bill wrote:
>
>>Is anyone writing a stack for doing podcasting?  Presently it takes a
>>combination of six programs to make and edit podcasts on OSX.
>>




From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sun Jul 10 12:40:10 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 18:40:10 +0200
Subject: RR Documentation, mini-bugs, and so on . . .
In-Reply-To: <6D83040F-2DF1-4278-9F80-A330DC3B4B25@conncoll.edu>
References: <web-334218782@mail.maclaunch.com> <42D11C96.8020602@sover.net>
	<1682545780.20050710092538@ahsoftware.net>
	<6D83040F-2DF1-4278-9F80-A330DC3B4B25@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <0CB179EA-3C69-4A7E-BAA5-CD3E959869D6@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Charles,

You are right.
In my last plugin (not yet released) where there are links allowing  
to open the docs at the right place I struggled with links pointing  
at the topics section and found it was a revDocs problem and not mine...
I think that runRev guys know that and will fix it in a next Rev  
version.
But it's complicated: it's a problem which requires to take a new  
look at the Docs tree view architecture.

Le 10 juil. 05 ? 18:29, Charles Hartman a ?crit :

>> Mostly I agree with this, but I do find the "Topics" section
>> ridiculously slow. I try not to use it unless I'm really stuck.
>
> -- especially the "Containers, variables . . ." area, which takes  
> 17 to 25 seconds to load on a 1.5GHz PowerBook -- & everything else  
> stops dead!. (I've filed a BZ report on this.)

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From alex at tweedly.net  Sun Jul 10 12:45:59 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 17:45:59 +0100
Subject: documentation mini-bug
In-Reply-To: <222792705.20050710092945@ahsoftware.net>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>	<1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net>
	<42CF01B4.4030406@sover.net>	<7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>	<42CFDF67.9030504@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<AB504C34-17C2-4123-A7D6-F0EE46F4C959@danshafer.com>	<42D01427.20308@tweedly.net>	<13626946426.20050709161122@ahsoftware.net>	<42D06CE6.3040008@tweedly.net>	<15642647834.20050709203304@ahsoftware.net>	<42D107DD.8040002@tweedly.net>
	<222792705.20050710092945@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <42D150C7.2080508@tweedly.net>

Mark Wieder wrote:

>Cool. I notice that some of the Web Notes are now blank or say "Update
>Complete", so maybe someone really is riding herd on these things.
>  
>
Of course they are - have more faith Mark :-)

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From psahores at easynet.fr  Sun Jul 10 12:54:55 2005
From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 18:54:55 +0200
Subject: rev's videograbber and sound encoding prefs
In-Reply-To: <C1F53B90-CB1B-4A90-850C-3D17416C2338@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>	<1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net>	<42CF01B4.4030406@sover.net>	<7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>	<42CFDF67.9030504@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<AB504C34-17C2-4123-A7D6-F0EE46F4C959@danshafer.com>	<42D01427.20308@tweedly.net>	<13626946426.20050709161122@ahsoftware.net>	<42D06CE6.3040008@tweedly.net>
	<42D11474.1050902@sover.net> <42D123D4.8090508@tweedly.net>
	<C1F53B90-CB1B-4A90-850C-3D17416C2338@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <81AB6DF4-EF89-4874-B437-782ACC4E9327@easynet.fr>

Hi List,

Under the Tiger platform and in using QT7 and an iSight cam as video  
input, are they some ones, here, whose went successifull with setting  
up the videograbber sound encoding preferences ? I just could set the  
video encoding prefs to 3ivxD4 in using the <revVideoGrabDialog  
"format"> command but could'nt find the (undocumented ?) one to use  
to avoid to have to record the sound in the default uncompressed  
format (16-bit Entier (Gros Boutien), Mono, 48,000 Khz).

Thanks in advance for any help :-)


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From bmmeili at swissonline.ch  Sun Jul 10 12:56:37 2005
From: bmmeili at swissonline.ch (Martin Meili)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 18:56:37 +0200
Subject: selected line of field
Message-ID: <7962082de7dc7882e80f34e71c8f05b5@swissonline.ch>

How can I deselect the selected lines of a number of fields "MyFields" 
by script?  The listbehaviour of these fields is set to true.

Martin



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sun Jul 10 13:01:58 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 19:01:58 +0200
Subject: selected line of field
In-Reply-To: <7962082de7dc7882e80f34e71c8f05b5@swissonline.ch>
References: <7962082de7dc7882e80f34e71c8f05b5@swissonline.ch>
Message-ID: <62441596-7973-4F43-8DBC-5F3347FF27CA@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Martin,

Le 10 juil. 05 ? 18:56, Martin Meili a ?crit :

> How can I deselect the selected lines of a number of fields  
> "MyFields" by script?  The listbehaviour of these fields is set to  
> true.

set the hilitedLines of fields "MyFields" to zero
You can use empty too but for consistency - hilitedLines are a comma  
delimited list of integers - you might prefer zero.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From revdan at danshafer.com  Sun Jul 10 13:02:41 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:02:41 -0700
Subject: RR Documentation, mini-bugs, and so on . . .
In-Reply-To: <6D83040F-2DF1-4278-9F80-A330DC3B4B25@conncoll.edu>
References: <web-334218782@mail.maclaunch.com> <42D11C96.8020602@sover.net>
	<1682545780.20050710092538@ahsoftware.net>
	<6D83040F-2DF1-4278-9F80-A330DC3B4B25@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <6F1A29DB-F3C9-4096-96BB-F6BEAEC8C210@danshafer.com>

NOw that's what I call a Bugly -- ugly bug.

Want a real thrill? After you click on that link and before it  
displays anything, click on another topic. In a little while -- about  
the time it takes to boil a hot dog -- the entire doc screen goes  
blank metal and stares at you.

BTW, it takes as long to collapse as it does to expand. Clearly a bugly.


On Jul 10, 2005, at 9:29 AM, Charles Hartman wrote:

>
> On Jul 10, 2005, at 12:25 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>
>
>> Jon-
>>
>> Sunday, July 10, 2005, 6:03:18 AM, you wrote:
>>
>> J> While I have criticized Rev about a number of things, I have no  
>> speed
>> J> problems with any of the documentation.  I wonder what else is  
>> going on.
>>
>> Mostly I agree with this, but I do find the "Topics" section
>> ridiculously slow. I try not to use it unless I'm really stuck.
>>
>
> -- especially the "Containers, variables . . ." area, which takes  
> 17 to 25 seconds to load on a 1.5GHz PowerBook -- & everything else  
> stops dead!. (I've filed a BZ report on this.)
>
> Charles Hartman
>
>
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sun Jul 10 13:09:13 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 19:09:13 +0200
Subject: RR Documentation, mini-bugs, and so on . . .
In-Reply-To: <6F1A29DB-F3C9-4096-96BB-F6BEAEC8C210@danshafer.com>
References: <web-334218782@mail.maclaunch.com> <42D11C96.8020602@sover.net>
	<1682545780.20050710092538@ahsoftware.net>
	<6D83040F-2DF1-4278-9F80-A330DC3B4B25@conncoll.edu>
	<6F1A29DB-F3C9-4096-96BB-F6BEAEC8C210@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <DA5E4F9F-A191-488A-83CE-48E3DED9F991@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Dan,

In fact there are 2 problems:

1. The very very slow tree view architecture in the topics section:  
it's a revDocs problem.
2. A problem with metal appearance: it's a specific Mac OS problem.

Once I said that...

Le 10 juil. 05 ? 19:02, Dan Shafer a ?crit :

> NOw that's what I call a Bugly -- ugly bug.
>
> Want a real thrill? After you click on that link and before it  
> displays anything, click on another topic. In a little while --  
> about the time it takes to boil a hot dog -- the entire doc screen  
> goes blank metal and stares at you.
>
> BTW, it takes as long to collapse as it does to expand. Clearly a  
> bugly.


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Jul 10 13:37:52 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:37:52 -0700
Subject: different UI approach
Message-ID: <1466880573.20050710103752@ahsoftware.net>

Hmmm-

I'm not sure yet what I think about this, but it's certainly a
different approach to user interface design. And it gets you
rethinking basic concepts, which is always a good thing.

(Flash 7.0 plugin required)

http://www.dontclick.it/

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From revdan at danshafer.com  Sun Jul 10 14:23:49 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:23:49 -0700
Subject: different UI approach
In-Reply-To: <1466880573.20050710103752@ahsoftware.net>
References: <1466880573.20050710103752@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <D903D078-FF75-49C8-AB9B-356281EE9E00@danshafer.com>

I don't see any real new thinking here, Mark. Maybe I'm missing  
something. And I don't see ANY value in either being able to navigate  
(sometimes unintentionally) by mouse moves OR in avoiding the simple  
action of clicking a mouse.

Maybe for those with specific disabilities?

Dan

On Jul 10, 2005, at 10:37 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Hmmm-
>
> I'm not sure yet what I think about this, but it's certainly a
> different approach to user interface design. And it gets you
> rethinking basic concepts, which is always a good thing.
>
> (Flash 7.0 plugin required)
>
> http://www.dontclick.it/
>
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
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From jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr  Sun Jul 10 14:54:46 2005
From: jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 20:54:46 +0200
Subject: different UI approach
References: <1466880573.20050710103752@ahsoftware.net>
	<D903D078-FF75-49C8-AB9B-356281EE9E00@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <42D16EEA.D0871D35@Club-Internet.fr>

I don't mean to brag, but a couple of years ago I built
a whole interface for an intranet project around a similar
concept : on the front page users could navigate through
the main sections of the site map without clicking, only
by moving the mouse over some graphics...
The project was for an international pharmaceutical firm,
and everyone was very enthusiastic, from end users to
big bosses in charge of making decisions.
We were said that we got the deal, development budgets
were discussed in details, but at the last minute, one of the
guys in charge of network maintenance said that he had never
seen anything like that before, and that it was out of question
that he and his crew would maintain such a thing.

And finally the whole project collapsed, and another company
(with a very dreadfull looking project) got the market...

JB

> I don't see any real new thinking here, Mark. Maybe I'm missing
> something. And I don't see ANY value in either being able to navigate
> (sometimes unintentionally) by mouse moves OR in avoiding the simple
> action of clicking a mouse.
>
> Maybe for those with specific disabilities?
>
> Dan
>
> On Jul 10, 2005, at 10:37 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>
> > Hmmm-
> >
> > I'm not sure yet what I think about this, but it's certainly a
> > different approach to user interface design. And it gets you
> > rethinking basic concepts, which is always a good thing.
> >
> > (Flash 7.0 plugin required)
> >
> > http://www.dontclick.it/
> >
> > --



From laguer at ucs.orst.edu  Sun Jul 10 14:52:48 2005
From: laguer at ucs.orst.edu (Rich Lague)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:52:48 -0700
Subject: sorting zip codes
In-Reply-To: <42D16EEA.D0871D35@Club-Internet.fr>
Message-ID: <CF391722-F173-11D9-A4E4-000393A7F528@ucs.orst.edu>

I?m trying to set up a sort of a stack of address cards by zip code. 
Some of the zips are only the first 5 numbers and some of them are in 
the form ?xxxxx-xxxx?.

The script, ?sort cards numeric by field "zip"? sorts all the 9 number 
zips first, then sorts the 5 number zips-- not what I want.

I tried ?sort cards of this stack numeric by chars 1 to 5 of field 
?zip?? I go a ?bad factor? error.

Then I tried ?sort cards of this stack numeric by first 5 chars of 
field ?zip?? Another ?bad factor?.

I also tried, ?sort cards of this stack numeric by (chars 1 to 5 of 
field "zip")? -- Bad factor still.

Is there a way?

Thanks,

Rich

From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Sun Jul 10 14:53:09 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 14:53:09 -0400
Subject: false anti-alarm
In-Reply-To: <6EC9FC2D-F29E-4A41-A3AF-E814C3228AB4@conncoll.edu>
References: <6EC9FC2D-F29E-4A41-A3AF-E814C3228AB4@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <EEB3821F-D607-4A3E-8770-B49594276CA8@conncoll.edu>

In case anyone's interested, I've made a small 48k dummy to  
demonstrate this problem, by taking everything out of my appo except  
the scripts in question and a couple of example cards. Can't post it  
here, with the 16k limit, but I'd be glad to send it to anyone who  
wants to poke into a problem that I, for one, am about to give up on  
-- it's too far inside Rev's guts for me to have any ideas left about  
fixing or even working around it.

coh


On Jul 10, 2005, at 10:02 AM, Charles Hartman wrote:

> The idea is to call this handler from an openStack handler, so as  
> to change the stack-default font while preserving style tags and  
> either preserving, or allowing a global change of, the font for any  
> text where font is specified:
>
> on changeFieldTextProps myStack,f,mySize,myFont,myMonoFont
>   repeat with c = 1 to the number of cards of stack myStack
>     if exists(field f of card c of stack myStack) then
>       put the htmlText of field f of card c of stack myStack \
>           into hold[c]
>     end if
>   end repeat
>   set the textSize of stack myStack to mySize
>   set the textFont of stack myStack to myFont
>   repeat with c = 1 to the number of cards of stack myStack
>     if exists(field f of card c of stack myStack) then
>       set the htmlText of field f of card c of stack myStack \
>           to hold[c]
>     end if
>   end repeat
> end changeFieldTextProps
>
> This works when it is called on the main stack of an app. When it  
> is called on a substack, it screws up. IN THE SUBSTACK ONLY,  
> wherever there's a *style* change, Rev inserts (right before the  
> style tag) a *font* tag, which hard-wires whatever *was* the  
> default font before. Therefore everything after the first style-tag  
> in the field fails to switch to the new default font. Why would  
> this happen in the substack and not the main stack?
>
> <omit several paragraphs of rant>
>
>
> Charles Hartman
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From mdswindell at charter.net  Sun Jul 10 14:54:58 2005
From: mdswindell at charter.net (Mark Swindell)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:54:58 -0700
Subject: different UI approach
In-Reply-To: <D903D078-FF75-49C8-AB9B-356281EE9E00@danshafer.com>
References: <1466880573.20050710103752@ahsoftware.net>
	<D903D078-FF75-49C8-AB9B-356281EE9E00@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <27A68B8C-4AC5-41F5-85B6-86504B33C4CC@charter.net>

I would agree with you, Dan.  I want to be able to control with a  
definitive action (a click) when I want something done.   (Though I  
am working on a project where the mousemove is all there is to  
control a particular action because I feel that's what fits best and  
least obtrusively in the context.)   The slow motion opening and  
closing of elements so prevalent in much of the Flash stuff I see  
also drives me up the wall.

Mark


On Jul 10, 2005, at 11:23 AM, Dan Shafer wrote:

> I don't see any real new thinking here, Mark. Maybe I'm missing  
> something. And I don't see ANY value in either being able to  
> navigate (sometimes unintentionally) by mouse moves OR in avoiding  
> the simple action of clicking a mouse.
>
> Maybe for those with specific disabilities?
>
> Dan
>
> On Jul 10, 2005, at 10:37 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>
>
>> Hmmm-
>>
>> I'm not sure yet what I think about this, but it's certainly a
>> different approach to user interface design. And it gets you
>> rethinking basic concepts, which is always a good thing.
>>
>> (Flash 7.0 plugin required)
>>
>> http://www.dontclick.it/
>>
>> -- 
>> -Mark Wieder
>>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Jul 10 14:58:49 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:58:49 -0700
Subject: different UI approach
In-Reply-To: <27A68B8C-4AC5-41F5-85B6-86504B33C4CC@charter.net>
References: <1466880573.20050710103752@ahsoftware.net>	<D903D078-FF75-49C8-AB9B-356281EE9E00@danshafer.com>
	<27A68B8C-4AC5-41F5-85B6-86504B33C4CC@charter.net>
Message-ID: <42D16FE9.7000405@fourthworld.com>

Mark Swindell wrote:
> I would agree with you, Dan.  I want to be able to control with a  
> definitive action (a click) when I want something done.

Yes, there's a lot to be said for explicit gestures.

I suppose if we were to indulge in reductio ad absurdum we could 
recommend a UI that doesn't even require the "effort" of moving the 
mouse -- the software decides for you what you want, and triggers 
actions on its own.  Truly effortless!  :)

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From see3d at writeme.com  Sun Jul 10 14:58:55 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 14:58:55 -0400
Subject: different UI approach
In-Reply-To: <1466880573.20050710103752@ahsoftware.net>
References: <1466880573.20050710103752@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <6CB252E6-A10E-4097-9A7C-D6B0914697C4@writeme.com>

I loved it --it was fun to explore the concept.  I went through every  
nook and cranny.  It has a certain appeal in being different and  
making you look at things differently.  Opening up one side of the  
box is always good for expanding the thinking.  That does not mean  
that I would want to live in a click-less world though --any more  
than I would want to take up permanent residence on a Merry-go-round.

Dennis

On Jul 10, 2005, at 1:37 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Hmmm-
>
> I'm not sure yet what I think about this, but it's certainly a
> different approach to user interface design. And it gets you
> rethinking basic concepts, which is always a good thing.
>
> (Flash 7.0 plugin required)
>
> http://www.dontclick.it/
>
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
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From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Sun Jul 10 15:04:27 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 15:04:27 -0400
Subject: different UI approach
In-Reply-To: <42D16FE9.7000405@fourthworld.com>
References: <1466880573.20050710103752@ahsoftware.net>	<D903D078-FF75-49C8-AB9B-356281EE9E00@danshafer.com>
	<27A68B8C-4AC5-41F5-85B6-86504B33C4CC@charter.net>
	<42D16FE9.7000405@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <601F26D1-2CB9-4B24-9504-828B2C06DEFD@conncoll.edu>

>
> I suppose if we were to indulge in reductio ad absurdum we could  
> recommend a UI that doesn't even require the "effort" of moving the  
> mouse -- the software decides for you what you want, and triggers  
> actions on its own.  Truly effortless!  :)


Isn't that the design principle for Microsoft Word?

Charles Hartman



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sun Jul 10 15:19:40 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:19:40 +0200
Subject: different UI approach
In-Reply-To: <1466880573.20050710103752@ahsoftware.net>
References: <1466880573.20050710103752@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4C217FE1-E9B8-4957-A70B-AD169F4488CA@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Mark and all,

Interesting but...
As previous ones who replied, I don't see what valuable performance  
was added in this interface.
As said Dan, may be for those with specific disabilities?

You know it (??), ergonomics is my speciality.
I would understand such an approach for fighter pilots associated  
with automated sight recognition ;-)

Le 10 juil. 05 ? 19:37, Mark Wieder a ?crit :

> I'm not sure yet what I think about this, but it's certainly a
> different approach to user interface design. And it gets you
> rethinking basic concepts, which is always a good thing.

Best Regards from Paris,

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From tereza at califex.com  Sun Jul 10 15:21:59 2005
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 14:21:59 -0500
Subject: <tabs> in the editor(s)
In-Reply-To: <42D125CA.5060909@tweedly.net>
References: <42D11DA8.3060008@sover.net> <42D125CA.5060909@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <990ADD9F-958E-4501-80D1-E0C3C171C72E@califex.com>

On putting tabs into output, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> I usually do something like
>
> local myVar = "1,2,3"
> ....
> replace comma by TAB in myVar
> ....
>
> though I have been known to do
>
>
>>   put "asd\twer" into a
>>   replace "\t" with TAB in a
>>
>
>


Don't forget the "format" function, which will replace "\t" and "\n"  
with tabs and newlines AND can format numbers as you like 'em. Great  
for creating a table of values, Jon.

put format("asd\twer") into a

t




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From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 10 15:39:39 2005
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 12:39:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Searchable Database from all mail messages 
In-Reply-To: <20050710170003.A5277824963@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20050710193939.73814.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Developers,

In a few hours, i'll have downloaded
all the gzip compressed archives from
this mail list.

Gzip compression in text files reduces
data sizes to almost 25 % of it's original
size! :-O 

Google is fast and handy but i suspect that
it's possible to search faster these archives
if they are stored locally, on a CD or Hard Disk.

Now, when i have all these decompressed
text files from this list in a CD or Hard
Disk,

Which are my alternatives within RunRev
to create a searchable database with all messages
from this list?

Thanks in advance.

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From rev at armbase.com  Sun Jul 10 15:57:12 2005
From: rev at armbase.com (Bob Hartley)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 20:57:12 +0100
Subject: Why I won't buy an A9Home . . . On Topic!
In-Reply-To: <web-334192947@mail.maclaunch.com>
References: <web-334192947@mail.maclaunch.com>
Message-ID: <gemini.ijfgrc00ix3nw02hc.rev@armbase.com>

You wrote:

HI Richmond

> As my first PC (as in Personal Computer - rather than clunking along on
> some terminal with somebody else's paw-prints all over it) was a BBC
> Master I have long longed for a RISC OS machine. The A9Home (at last)
> seems just the 'thing'
> (http://www.advantagesix.co.uk/products/A9home.html) smaller than the
> MacMini, featuring an OS in Flash-ROM (no viruses, nothing), and so
> eccentric one can really look odd owning one (maybe I should not have
> written that last bit).

I also used RISC OS for many years and IMHO it is the best gui about
(probably becase I used it so much). I mainly iused RISC OS as a personal
computer (although I did need it for researchh early on) even though I
migtrated to MacOS for image analysis.

The boot time of my StyrongARM desktop was about 5 seconds..... ok I don't
want to go on aboujt how I loved it.
 
> Of course, RISC OS is used in so many embedded systems that the ability to
> write stuff for it is really useful.

THere were more RISC OS machines sold outwith the desktop market than to the
home/school user. Everything from RADAR, SONAR, Protien purification units,
even the BR train timtable screens. RISC OS was used in Pace set top boxes.
I think they even have BBC BASIC  still luring away in there.
> 
> I will not buy an A9Home because, so far, there is no version of MC/RR for
> RISC OS. Considering that quite a few RISC OS machines are used in the UK
> (as well as elsewhere) in educational environments, it seems a shame there
> is neither MC/RR for RISC OS, or, at least, an engine that allows users of
> MC/RR on Linux/Win/Mac to produce RISC OS compatible standalones.
See this thread

http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2003-December/026981.html
 There is Hyperstudio for RISC OS but not metacard/RR.

NOw one thing about the A9 is it is a developer only machine at the moment.
I think it is about 400ukp. I know the developer, I bought his personal
custom machine in 1995 ( A Simtec special A5000) that he bought back fomr me
for software testingwhen I got a RiscPC. A machine that had a StrongARM
processor and a Pentuium in the second processor slot. This could be used as
a co-pro or to run windows in a window. Ohhh dear there I go again.

Anyway I know Stuart from Advantage6 (Dont know Mat) and one thing I do know
is that they funded the 32-bitting of RISC OS 4 for the A9. They maybe
interested in funding the software although I expect someone like Andrew
from Rcomp may be more inclined about the porting.

As for Runrev doing it. I expect the size of the RISC OS market is too small
for them. 

If you want a look at the OS then you can Get Virtual RiscPC from
www.virtualacorn.co.uk


Advantage6 use this on there Shuttle style emmulation box.
All the best
Bob


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sun Jul 10 16:11:17 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:11:17 +0200
Subject: Searchable Database from all mail messages 
In-Reply-To: <20050710193939.73814.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050710193939.73814.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F8D8855B-D706-4FEB-BE85-84DE261BCA4A@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Alejandro;

I searched for Tejada in the mailing lists:

. Google: 0.07 seconds and 824 results.
. Gname: 0.002371 seconds and 606 results.

BTW I wonder about this difference :-)
As for me I think it's fast enough...
Note: Mail Archive does not indicate any time...

Le 10 juil. 05 ? 21:39, Alejandro Tejada a ?crit :

> Google is fast and handy but i suspect that
> it's possible to search faster these archives
> if they are stored locally, on a CD or Hard Disk.

Best Regards from Paris,

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From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 10 17:00:44 2005
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 14:00:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Searchable Database from all mail messages
In-Reply-To: <20050710170003.A5277824963@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20050710210044.9323.qmail@web40513.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Eric, :-)

Eric Chatonet wrote:

>I searched for Tejada in the mailing lists:
>. Google: 0.07 seconds and 824 results.
>. Gname: 0.002371 seconds and 606 results.
>BTW I wonder about this difference :-)
>As for me I think it's fast enough...

Ah! This means that you have a permanent
Internet connection. :-)
i have only dial-up. :-(

Anyway, i still believe that it's possible 
to search faster these archives if they are 
stored locally, on a CD or Hard Disk.

When decompressed all these text files get more
than 160 MB! :-o 

How fast could RR retrieve a search
like Eric's from 160 MB of text?

Thanks in advance.

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From bvg at mac.com  Sun Jul 10 17:16:48 2005
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:16:48 +0200
Subject: [Reminder] Contest: Advanced Challenge 
Message-ID: <f0512e45e94cf7c8f05b7065469c3eb9@mac.com>

Hi you Coder

The advanced Challenge ends tomorrow evening 19. CET. So package up 
your entry, and send it in! I can't wait to see them...

Of course the "impossible" Challenge continues until 8. August, so you 
stil gotl plenty of time for earning eternal glory. :-D

Check http://contest.wecode.org for more info on the CCC.
Look for chatrev on http://chatrev.bjoernke.com and chat with us.

have fun
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From chipp at chipp.com  Sun Jul 10 18:23:14 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 17:23:14 -0500
Subject: different UI approach
In-Reply-To: <D903D078-FF75-49C8-AB9B-356281EE9E00@danshafer.com>
References: <1466880573.20050710103752@ahsoftware.net>
	<D903D078-FF75-49C8-AB9B-356281EE9E00@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <42D19FD2.7050600@chipp.com>

My inclination is to agree with you, Dan, but I do remember the 
absurdity of the mouse at it's inception, and how difficult it was to 
'get used to' by the mainstream.

Here are a couple observations...

- You don't get 'mouse finger' (I get it all the time).
- You probably get 'mouse wrist' if you used it often
- Strong learning curve for gestures
- Without gestures, you end up removing an existing dimension of 
interfaces (the click). Think about how you would select text with 
gestures...ouch!
- It seems to work better with 'dynamic' environments which change as 
you navigate through them. Flash seems especially suited. But, as we all 
  know, changing app environments are particularly 'high' on the GUI 
'nono' list.

-Chipp


Dan Shafer wrote:
> I don't see any real new thinking here, Mark. Maybe I'm missing  
> something. And I don't see ANY value in either being able to navigate  
> (sometimes unintentionally) by mouse moves OR in avoiding the simple  
> action of clicking a mouse.


From SimPLsol at aol.com  Sun Jul 10 18:34:47 2005
From: SimPLsol at aol.com (SimPLsol at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 18:34:47 EDT
Subject: different UI approach
Message-ID: <54.47dcd040.3002fc87@aol.com>

Chipp wrote:
[snip]
- Without gestures, you end up removing an existing dimension of
interfaces (the click). Think about how you would select text with
gestures...ouch!
[snip}

Remember the original mouse? To select a word: click at the beginning of it 
with the first button; click at the end of it with the THIRD button.
OUCH!

Personally I prefer to "mouse" with a trackpad - even on a desktop computer - 
unlike a mouse, the trackpad is always in the same place, never falls off the 
pad (or desk), requires relatively little motion.
Paul Looney


From alex at tweedly.net  Sun Jul 10 16:26:38 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:26:38 +0100
Subject: Searchable Database from all mail messages
In-Reply-To: <F8D8855B-D706-4FEB-BE85-84DE261BCA4A@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <20050710193939.73814.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com>
	<F8D8855B-D706-4FEB-BE85-84DE261BCA4A@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <42D1847E.8000805@tweedly.net>

Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi Alejandro;
>
> I searched for Tejada in the mailing lists:
>
> . Google: 0.07 seconds and 824 results.
> . Gname: 0.002371 seconds and 606 results.
>
> BTW I wonder about this difference :-)
> As for me I think it's fast enough...
> Note: Mail Archive does not indicate any time...
>
For me, the advantage wouldn't be search time - it would be convenience 
(when my laptop is disconnected from the net) and time to retrieve the 
emails themselves (esp. on dial-up).

So I'd be tempted to try Google Desktop Search on the whole downloaded 
database - using an http request to retrieve the results into your Rev 
app to gather and display the results.   (Though I should say I only had 
a cursory glance at GDS a couple of months ago for a project that didn't 
get done in the end - but I think it could do this easily).

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From jbondy at sover.net  Sun Jul 10 18:49:50 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 18:49:50 -0400
Subject: RR Documentation, mini-bugs, and so on . . .
In-Reply-To: <6F1A29DB-F3C9-4096-96BB-F6BEAEC8C210@danshafer.com>
References: <web-334218782@mail.maclaunch.com>
	<42D11C96.8020602@sover.net>	<1682545780.20050710092538@ahsoftware.net>	<6D83040F-2DF1-4278-9F80-A330DC3B4B25@conncoll.edu>
	<6F1A29DB-F3C9-4096-96BB-F6BEAEC8C210@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <42D1A60E.5070706@sover.net>

2 seconds on my Windows PC.  Go figure...

Dan Shafer wrote:

> NOw that's what I call a Bugly -- ugly bug.
>
> Want a real thrill? After you click on that link and before it  
> displays anything, click on another topic. In a little while -- about  
> the time it takes to boil a hot dog -- the entire doc screen goes  
> blank metal and stares at you.
>
> BTW, it takes as long to collapse as it does to expand. Clearly a bugly.
>
>
> On Jul 10, 2005, at 9:29 AM, Charles Hartman wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jul 10, 2005, at 12:25 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Jon-
>>>
>>> Sunday, July 10, 2005, 6:03:18 AM, you wrote:
>>>
>>> J> While I have criticized Rev about a number of things, I have no  
>>> speed
>>> J> problems with any of the documentation.  I wonder what else is  
>>> going on.
>>>
>>> Mostly I agree with this, but I do find the "Topics" section
>>> ridiculously slow. I try not to use it unless I'm really stuck.
>>>
>>
>> -- especially the "Containers, variables . . ." area, which takes  17 
>> to 25 seconds to load on a 1.5GHz PowerBook -- & everything else  
>> stops dead!. (I've filed a BZ report on this.)
>>
>> Charles Hartman
>>
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From alex at tweedly.net  Sun Jul 10 18:57:19 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:57:19 +0100
Subject: Searchable Database from all mail messages
In-Reply-To: <20050710210044.9323.qmail@web40513.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050710210044.9323.qmail@web40513.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42D1A7CF.1070105@tweedly.net>

Alejandro Tejada wrote:

>How fast could RR retrieve a search
>like Eric's from 160 MB of text?
>
>  
>
It would take a long time just to read 160Mb (or to read and decompress 
40M). You need to have it indexed
  - by Google Desktop, or Yahoo Desktop (are they Win only ??)
  - use some open source indexing tool (Lucene?)
  - put the messages into a mySQL database and use their fulltext index 
feature
  - some other index scheme ...


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From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Sun Jul 10 19:02:21 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 19:02:21 -0400
Subject: Searchable Database from all mail messages
In-Reply-To: <42D1A7CF.1070105@tweedly.net>
References: <20050710210044.9323.qmail@web40513.mail.yahoo.com>
	<42D1A7CF.1070105@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <08E17E35-323E-434E-A8D5-F45BE9F3CDEA@conncoll.edu>

> It would take a long time just to read 160Mb (or to read and  
> decompress 40M). You need to have it indexed
>  - by Google Desktop, or Yahoo Desktop (are they Win only ??)
>  - use some open source indexing tool (Lucene?)
>  - put the messages into a mySQL database and use their fulltext  
> index feature
>  - some other index scheme ...
>
>


Spotlight.

Charles Hartman



From jbondy at sover.net  Sun Jul 10 19:18:38 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 19:18:38 -0400
Subject: documentation mini-bug
In-Reply-To: <42D12C9A.8090800@tweedly.net>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>	<1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net>	<42CF01B4.4030406@sover.net>	<7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>	<42CFDF67.9030504@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<AB504C34-17C2-4123-A7D6-F0EE46F4C959@danshafer.com>	<42D01427.20308@tweedly.net>	<13626946426.20050709161122@ahsoftware.net>	<42D06CE6.3040008@tweedly.net>	<42D11474.1050902@sover.net>	<42D123D4.8090508@tweedly.net>	<42D12751.2020306@sover.net>
	<42D12C9A.8090800@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <42D1ACCE.6090306@sover.net>

So.  Is this a bug?


Alex Tweedly wrote:

> Jon wrote:
>
>> Alex:
>>
>> Thanks for the explanation. All make sense to me, except for "If you 
>> want to add a web note, you can do so by clicking on the 
>> second-from-the-right button at the top of the window - looks vaguely 
>> like a globe with a + sign added."
>>
>> I can see no such icon.
>>
>
> My bad memory .... sorry.
>
> At the top of the doc window, I have 3 sets of buttons
>  1.    left and right arrows
>  2.    5 buttons for Getting started, topics, dictionary, objects, 
> bookmarks
>  3.    3 buttons :
>          bookmarks with a + sign - to add a bookmark
>          globe (or basketball)  with tiny piece of paper and pencil 
> ---- this is the one that adds web notes
>          printer ?
>
> For no obvious reason, the last two are now grayed out (disabled) for 
> me - not sure what's different between now and earlier, when I was 
> able to select the "add web note" one.
>


From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Sun Jul 10 19:22:42 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:22:42 +1000
Subject: spreadsheet-like tables
In-Reply-To: <42CF1C31.9060007@sover.net>
References: <42CF1C31.9060007@sover.net>
Message-ID: <02F32DC5-96C1-4AAA-A4FA-D692F2E91538@genesearch.com.au>

> First off, what is the best way to present the user with tabular  
> data?  I tried the "table", and it has lots of problems, at least  
> the way I did it <sick grin>.  Any sample stacks out there for me  
> to study?  I had the most trouble allowing the user to edit the  
> data: the appearance of the table went to hell when the user  
> started modifying a field in the table.

I would have the data in a standard list field with the tabStops set  
to make the display look OK. When the user selects a line, pop the  
different items into separate editable fields. Then have an "Apply  
Edits" button that gathers up the edited data and puts it back into  
the selected line of the data field.

HTH,
Sarah



From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Sun Jul 10 19:34:17 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:34:17 +1000
Subject: What About Newbies
In-Reply-To: <c4.2b097e33.30026d06@aol.com>
References: <c4.2b097e33.30026d06@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4E5E5523-D5D9-4817-B4B6-198304D22456@genesearch.com.au>

> I'm having a great deal of trouble porting my HyperCard stacks and  
> I really
> need someone to hold my hand!

Here's the address of a tutorial for doing just that:
<http://www.hyperactivesw.com/mctutorial/index.html>

Sarah




From jbondy at sover.net  Sun Jul 10 19:44:38 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 19:44:38 -0400
Subject: spreadsheet-like tables
In-Reply-To: <02F32DC5-96C1-4AAA-A4FA-D692F2E91538@genesearch.com.au>
References: <42CF1C31.9060007@sover.net>
	<02F32DC5-96C1-4AAA-A4FA-D692F2E91538@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <42D1B2E6.2010505@sover.net>

Ugh.  No way to edit values right in the tables?  Really?  Sigh


Sarah Reichelt wrote:

>> First off, what is the best way to present the user with tabular  
>> data?  I tried the "table", and it has lots of problems, at least  
>> the way I did it <sick grin>.  Any sample stacks out there for me  to 
>> study?  I had the most trouble allowing the user to edit the  data: 
>> the appearance of the table went to hell when the user  started 
>> modifying a field in the table.
>
>
> I would have the data in a standard list field with the tabStops set  
> to make the display look OK. When the user selects a line, pop the  
> different items into separate editable fields. Then have an "Apply  
> Edits" button that gathers up the edited data and puts it back into  
> the selected line of the data field.
>
> HTH,
> Sarah
>
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From jhurley at infostations.com  Sun Jul 10 19:45:40 2005
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 16:45:40 -0700
Subject: sorting zip codes
In-Reply-To: <20050710224421.A4FD5824923@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050710224421.A4FD5824923@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p06200703bef761582b96@[69.19.229.3]>

>
>Message: 5
>Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:52:48 -0700
>From: Rich Lague <laguer at ucs.orst.edu>
>Subject: sorting zip codes
>To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>Message-ID: <CF391722-F173-11D9-A4E4-000393A7F528 at ucs.orst.edu>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=WINDOWS-1252;	format=flowed
>
>I?m trying to set up a sort of a stack of address cards by zip code.
>Some of the zips are only the first 5 numbers and some of them are in
>the form ?xxxxx-xxxx?.
>
>The script, ?sort cards numeric by field "zip"? sorts all the 9 number
>zips first, then sorts the 5 number zips-- not what I want.
>
>I tried ?sort cards of this stack numeric by chars 1 to 5 of field
>?zip?? I go a ?bad factor? error.
>
>Then I tried ?sort cards of this stack numeric by first 5 chars of
>field ?zip?? Another ?bad factor?.
>
>I also tried, ?sort cards of this stack numeric by (chars 1 to 5 of
>field "zip")? -- Bad factor still.
>
>Is there a way?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Rich
>
>**********************************************


Rich,

Maybe not the best but this works for me.  Our 
neighborhood assoc. has a similar mailing list.

1) Let the database be in field "originalDB"
2) Assume the variable zip codes are the last 
item, say item 6 item in each line of the DB, 
with some like formatted xxxxx-xxxx and some just 
xxxxx.
3) Create two new items, numbers 7 and 8. Put the 
xxxxx into item 7 and xxxx into item 8
4) Sort the new list first by item 8 and then by 
item 7 and put the results into field "final"
5) If you like you can delete items 7 and 8 at this point.

on mouseUp
   put field "originalDB" into tList
   set itemdel to tab
   repeat for each line tLine in tList
     put item 6 of tLine into tZip
     set itemdel to "-"
     put tLine & tab & item 1 of tZip & tab & item 2 of tZip & cr after results
     set itemdel to tab
   end repeat
   sort lines of  results by item 8 of each
   sort lines  of results by item 7 of each
   put results into field "final"
end mouseUp

Jim


From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Sun Jul 10 19:45:43 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:45:43 +1000
Subject: sorting zip codes
In-Reply-To: <CF391722-F173-11D9-A4E4-000393A7F528@ucs.orst.edu>
References: <CF391722-F173-11D9-A4E4-000393A7F528@ucs.orst.edu>
Message-ID: <C4A3BF2B-7675-4786-AB9B-B3AB26C21ED3@genesearch.com.au>

> I?m trying to set up a sort of a stack of address cards by zip  
> code. Some of the zips are only the first 5 numbers and some of  
> them are in the form ?xxxxx-xxxx?.
>
> The script, ?sort cards numeric by field "zip"? sorts all the 9  
> number zips first, then sorts the 5 number zips-- not what I want.

Untested but worth a try:

set the itemDelimiter to "-"
sort cards of this stack numeric by item 1 of field ?zip?

HTH,
Sarah



From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Sun Jul 10 20:01:17 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 10:01:17 +1000
Subject: spreadsheet-like tables
In-Reply-To: <42D1B2E6.2010505@sover.net>
References: <42CF1C31.9060007@sover.net>
	<02F32DC5-96C1-4AAA-A4FA-D692F2E91538@genesearch.com.au>
	<42D1B2E6.2010505@sover.net>
Message-ID: <911469DC-3D58-4043-A9DA-C345AF0B9CE4@genesearch.com.au>

> Ugh.  No way to edit values right in the tables?  Really?  Sigh

You can edit directly in the table, but I find it ugly & confusing,  
especially if the data becomes longer than the column width. I would  
much rather have a dedicated edit field. If you don't want to pull  
the complete record out, do it one cell at a time, like most  
spreadsheet programs do.

Sarah

>>> First off, what is the best way to present the user with tabular   
>>> data?  I tried the "table", and it has lots of problems, at  
>>> least  the way I did it <sick grin>.  Any sample stacks out there  
>>> for me  to study?  I had the most trouble allowing the user to  
>>> edit the  data: the appearance of the table went to hell when the  
>>> user  started modifying a field in the table.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I would have the data in a standard list field with the tabStops  
>> set  to make the display look OK. When the user selects a line,  
>> pop the  different items into separate editable fields. Then have  
>> an "Apply  Edits" button that gathers up the edited data and puts  
>> it back into  the selected line of the data field.
>>
>> HTH,
>> Sarah



From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Sun Jul 10 20:03:31 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 10:03:31 +1000
Subject: control and option keys not working on Tiger with 2.6?
In-Reply-To: <843607E7-AA1F-4824-8CE8-D5B5A43F9302@hindu.org>
References: <843607E7-AA1F-4824-8CE8-D5B5A43F9302@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <8D5FAA90-0D2A-499F-97DA-9C864CF66D67@genesearch.com.au>

> I have for years used the following to toggle a field between a  
> locked "hot link ready" state to an editable state:
>
> on mouseDown
>   if controlkey()="Down" then
>   set the locktext of the target to true
>   set the traversalOn of the target to false
>   choose browse tool
>   end if
> end mouseDown
> on mouseUp
> if optionkey()="Down" then
>   set the locktext of the target to false
>   set the traversalOn of the target to true
>   end if
> end mouseUp
>

Using Tiger (10.4.1) & Rev 2.6, I made a new stack, with nothing in  
it except this card script:

on mouseDown
   if controlkey()="Down" then
     put "Down + control"
   else
     put "Down"
   end if
end mouseDown

on mouseUp
   if optionkey()="Down" then
     put "Up + option"
   else
     put "Up"
   end if
end mouseUp

It worked exactly as I expected, so i think you may have something  
else causing your problem. Do you have any frontScripts that could be  
intercepting the keys?

Sarah



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Jul 10 20:27:51 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 17:27:51 -0700
Subject: RR Documentation, mini-bugs, and so on . . .
In-Reply-To: <42D1A60E.5070706@sover.net>
References: <web-334218782@mail.maclaunch.com> <42D11C96.8020602@sover.net>
	<1682545780.20050710092538@ahsoftware.net>
	<6D83040F-2DF1-4278-9F80-A330DC3B4B25@conncoll.edu>
	<6F1A29DB-F3C9-4096-96BB-F6BEAEC8C210@danshafer.com>
	<42D1A60E.5070706@sover.net>
Message-ID: <7331479374.20050710172751@ahsoftware.net>

Jon-

Sunday, July 10, 2005, 3:49:50 PM, you wrote:

J> 2 seconds on my Windows PC.  Go figure...

I clicked on "Containers, variables and sources of value".
Then immediately clicked on "Commands and functions".

11 seconds to open them on my 500MHz win2k box.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Jul 10 20:33:20 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 17:33:20 -0700
Subject: Searchable Database from all mail messages
In-Reply-To: <42D1847E.8000805@tweedly.net>
References: <20050710193939.73814.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com>
	<F8D8855B-D706-4FEB-BE85-84DE261BCA4A@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<42D1847E.8000805@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <15231807857.20050710173320@ahsoftware.net>

Alex-

Sunday, July 10, 2005, 1:26:38 PM, you wrote:

AT> So I'd be tempted to try Google Desktop Search on the whole downloaded
AT> database - using an http request to retrieve the results into your Rev

I think this is the approach I'd take, too. The downside would be the
need to download a new archive each month.

...and it's been my experience that searching via Google's web site
doesn't always return the results you specify, especially regarding
date ranges. Google's search engine seems to have a mind of its own as
to what it decides to return to you.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Sun Jul 10 21:01:21 2005
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:01:21 -0400
Subject: PODCASTING WITH RUNREV
In-Reply-To: <p06230904bef6ff0bd74a@[10.71.0.208]>
Message-ID: <BEF73D21.D19F%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

I will try audio hijack pro next as the cludge I'm using including the crash
everything "Audacity" is pretty bad. I can't wait to try Andre's stack.


On 7/10/05 12:37 PM, "Stephen Barncard" <stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com>
wrote:

> You might look at Audio Hijack Pro - it already does a lot of this -
> if you are using a Mac.
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2005, at 7:44 AM, Bill wrote:
>> 
>>> Is anyone writing a stack for doing podcasting?  Presently it takes a
>>> combination of six programs to make and edit podcasts on OSX.
>>> 
> 
> 
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From alex at tweedly.net  Sun Jul 10 22:09:49 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 03:09:49 +0100
Subject: documentation mini-bug
In-Reply-To: <42D1ACCE.6090306@sover.net>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>	<1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net>	<42CF01B4.4030406@sover.net>	<7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>	<42CFDF67.9030504@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<AB504C34-17C2-4123-A7D6-F0EE46F4C959@danshafer.com>	<42D01427.20308@tweedly.net>	<13626946426.20050709161122@ahsoftware.net>	<42D06CE6.3040008@tweedly.net>	<42D11474.1050902@sover.net>	<42D123D4.8090508@tweedly.net>	<42D12751.2020306@sover.net>	<42D12C9A.8090800@tweedly.net>
	<42D1ACCE.6090306@sover.net>
Message-ID: <42D1D4ED.2010301@tweedly.net>

Jon wrote:

> So.  Is this a bug?
>
The fact that they are grayed out ?  I doubt it  - most likely, as 
someone guessed, it's a problem on the server, or communicating with the 
server. Or the tech writer is going through the webnotes and temporarily 
locked out access. Or some other temporary issue that (by Sod's Law) had 
to happen the day we discussed it. (Or maybe it happened because too 
many people tried to get simultaneous write access and we hit an 
untested part of the web site :-)

If it's still a problem by this time tomorrow, I'll worry about it - and 
report it if it's still not working again.

Or did you mean "Is my bad memory a bug ?" - definitely yes.:-)

-- Alex.

>> My bad memory .... sorry.
>>
>> At the top of the doc window, I have 3 sets of buttons
>>  1.    left and right arrows
>>  2.    5 buttons for Getting started, topics, dictionary, objects, 
>> bookmarks
>>  3.    3 buttons :
>>          bookmarks with a + sign - to add a bookmark
>>          globe (or basketball)  with tiny piece of paper and pencil 
>> ---- this is the one that adds web notes
>>          printer ?
>>
>> For no obvious reason, the last two are now grayed out (disabled) for 
>> me - not sure what's different between now and earlier, when I was 
>> able to select the "add web note" one.
>>
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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Sun Jul 10 22:51:22 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:51:22 -0400
Subject: Printing script problem
In-Reply-To: <BEF3DC3A.4DA2%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <BEF3DC3A.4DA2%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <24b953a23649f1ad96f2aa27a235348f@adelphia.net>

Jim you can also do it by script:
Make a button in another stack with a field for the script and then put 
the script into that field and print the card of that stack that the 
field is on:

on mouseUp
put the script of card "TheScript" into lmyscript
put lmyscript into field "TheScriptToPrint"
print card "WhereTheScriptFieldIs" -- or print the coordinates of the 
field etc.
end mouseUp


HTH

Tom


On Jul 8, 2005, at 8:31 AM, Ken Ray wrote:

>> What's the secret to printing out a script? I've sent it now to two
>> different HP printers (from the script editor,  File -> Print 
>> Script... and
>> in portrait and landscape and anytime there is a color change, the 
>> words
>> overwrite themselves (in other words, useless).
>
> Jim, this is a known bug that's logged in Bugzilla... hopefully it 
> will be
> fixed the next time around. Until then, there are two methods - Eric's 
> (copy
> and paste somewhere else), or use Alex Rice's MLXEditor to use some 
> other
> application (like Notepad, TextPad, etc.) as your script editor and 
> print it
> from there.
>
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
>
>
>
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From dsc at swcp.com  Sun Jul 10 23:30:42 2005
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:30:42 -0600
Subject: sorting zip codes
In-Reply-To: <C4A3BF2B-7675-4786-AB9B-B3AB26C21ED3@genesearch.com.au>
References: <CF391722-F173-11D9-A4E4-000393A7F528@ucs.orst.edu>
	<C4A3BF2B-7675-4786-AB9B-B3AB26C21ED3@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <e5889e17e157eb2c4f28a1de9dee0dae@swcp.com>


On Jul 10, 2005, at 5:45 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

>> I?m trying to set up a sort of a stack of address cards by zip code. 
>> Some of the zips are only the first 5 numbers and some of them are in 
>> the form ?xxxxx-xxxx?.
>>
>> The script, ?sort cards numeric by field "zip"? sorts all the 9 
>> number zips first, then sorts the 5 number zips-- not what I want.
>
> Untested but worth a try:
>
> set the itemDelimiter to "-"
> sort cards of this stack numeric by item 1 of field ?zip?

I wonder if 'sort cards text by field "zip"' would do what is needed.  
I would think it would sort like this:

00234
00234-1234
00235

Dar

-- 
**********************************************
     DSC (Dar Scott Consulting & Dar's Lab)
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming and software
**********************************************



From jbondy at sover.net  Sun Jul 10 23:31:02 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:31:02 -0400
Subject: documentation mini-bug
In-Reply-To: <42D1D4ED.2010301@tweedly.net>
References: <42CE81C6.7090002@sover.net>	<1994678407.20050708105135@ahsoftware.net>	<42CF01B4.4030406@sover.net>	<7645093130.20050708220510@ahsoftware.net>	<42CFDF67.9030504@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<AB504C34-17C2-4123-A7D6-F0EE46F4C959@danshafer.com>	<42D01427.20308@tweedly.net>	<13626946426.20050709161122@ahsoftware.net>	<42D06CE6.3040008@tweedly.net>	<42D11474.1050902@sover.net>	<42D123D4.8090508@tweedly.net>	<42D12751.2020306@sover.net>	<42D12C9A.8090800@tweedly.net>	<42D1ACCE.6090306@sover.net>
	<42D1D4ED.2010301@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <42D1E7F6.1060004@sover.net>

The fact that no one knows what is going on and that it is not behaving 
as usual strikes me, in and of itself, as a bug.  If Rev wants to turn 
the feature off, that's fine, but they should tell people what is going 
on, rather than have every one of us guessing.

In my humble opinion, of course.  Goes without saying.

:)

Jon



Alex Tweedly wrote:

> Jon wrote:
>
>> So.  Is this a bug?
>>
> The fact that they are grayed out ?  I doubt it  - most likely, as 
> someone guessed, it's a problem on the server, or communicating with 
> the server. Or the tech writer is going through the webnotes and 
> temporarily locked out access. Or some other temporary issue that (by 
> Sod's Law) had to happen the day we discussed it. (Or maybe it 
> happened because too many people tried to get simultaneous write 
> access and we hit an untested part of the web site :-)
>
> If it's still a problem by this time tomorrow, I'll worry about it - 
> and report it if it's still not working again.
>
> Or did you mean "Is my bad memory a bug ?" - definitely yes.:-)
>
> -- Alex.
>
>>> My bad memory .... sorry.
>>>
>>> At the top of the doc window, I have 3 sets of buttons
>>>  1.    left and right arrows
>>>  2.    5 buttons for Getting started, topics, dictionary, objects, 
>>> bookmarks
>>>  3.    3 buttons :
>>>          bookmarks with a + sign - to add a bookmark
>>>          globe (or basketball)  with tiny piece of paper and pencil 
>>> ---- this is the one that adds web notes
>>>          printer ?
>>>
>>> For no obvious reason, the last two are now grayed out (disabled) 
>>> for me - not sure what's different between now and earlier, when I 
>>> was able to select the "add web note" one.
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>>
>
>


From laguer at ucs.orst.edu  Sun Jul 10 23:45:14 2005
From: laguer at ucs.orst.edu (Rich Lague)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 20:45:14 -0700
Subject: sorting zip codes
In-Reply-To: <e5889e17e157eb2c4f28a1de9dee0dae@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <30AAD6DF-F1BE-11D9-A4E4-000393A7F528@ucs.orst.edu>

Thanks Dar,

	Your suggestion was the easiest. All I had to do was remove "numeric".
Rich


On Sunday, July 10, 2005, at 08:30  PM, Dar Scott wrote:

>
> On Jul 10, 2005, at 5:45 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>
>>> I?m trying to set up a sort of a stack of address cards by zip code. 
>>> Some of the zips are only the first 5 numbers and some of them are 
>>> in the form ?xxxxx-xxxx?.
>>>
>>> The script, ?sort cards numeric by field "zip"? sorts all the 9 
>>> number zips first, then sorts the 5 number zips-- not what I want.
>>
>> Untested but worth a try:
>>
>> set the itemDelimiter to "-"
>> sort cards of this stack numeric by item 1 of field ?zip?
>
> I wonder if 'sort cards text by field "zip"' would do what is needed.  
> I would think it would sort like this:
>
> 00234
> 00234-1234
> 00235
>
> Dar
>
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From yoursignup at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 11 00:04:14 2005
From: yoursignup at yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 18:04:14 -1000
Subject: Printing script problem
In-Reply-To: <24b953a23649f1ad96f2aa27a235348f@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLKEMGHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>

Thanks Tom,

I'll may try that. But to make it *universal* I'd have to have more than a
button. I'd need to identify which object the script belongs to, such as:

the script of btn myButton of cd thisCard of stack thatStack.
Or,
the script of thatStack
etc.

This would require identifying the control type (btn, field, sb, etc, or
none in the case of a card or stack script) and manually typing in the
control name, card name and stack name.

Assuming this is a high priority bug and will be fixed soon, it may be
easier, for now,  to copy and paste into Notepad (on a PC), which does print
the script out formatted with coloring intact.

Jim

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Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 4:51 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Printing script problem


Jim you can also do it by script:
Make a button in another stack with a field for the script and then put
the script into that field and print the card of that stack that the
field is on:

on mouseUp
put the script of card "TheScript" into lmyscript
put lmyscript into field "TheScriptToPrint"
print card "WhereTheScriptFieldIs" -- or print the coordinates of the
field etc.
end mouseUp


HTH

Tom


On Jul 8, 2005, at 8:31 AM, Ken Ray wrote:

>> What's the secret to printing out a script? I've sent it now to two
>> different HP printers (from the script editor,  File -> Print
>> Script... and
>> in portrait and landscape and anytime there is a color change, the
>> words
>> overwrite themselves (in other words, useless).
>
> Jim, this is a known bug that's logged in Bugzilla... hopefully it
> will be
> fixed the next time around. Until then, there are two methods - Eric's
> (copy
> and paste somewhere else), or use Alex Rice's MLXEditor to use some
> other
> application (like Notepad, TextPad, etc.) as your script editor and
> print it
> from there.
>
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
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From yoursignup at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 11 00:25:36 2005
From: yoursignup at yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 18:25:36 -1000
Subject: Printing script problem
In-Reply-To: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLKEMGHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLAEMHHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>

In the previous message I meant to say WordPad. -Jim





From revolution at jaedworks.com  Mon Jul 11 00:25:10 2005
From: revolution at jaedworks.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:25:10 -0700
Subject: sorting zip codes
In-Reply-To: <CF391722-F173-11D9-A4E4-000393A7F528@ucs.orst.edu>
References: <CF391722-F173-11D9-A4E4-000393A7F528@ucs.orst.edu>
Message-ID: <p062102d2bef7a3128de5@[192.168.2.153]>

At 11:52 AM -0700 7/10/2005, Rich Lague wrote:
>I'm trying to set up a sort of a stack of address cards by zip code. 
>Some of the zips are only the first 5 numbers and some of them are 
>in the form "xxxxx-xxxx".
>
>The script, "sort cards numeric by field "zip"" sorts all the 9 
>number zips first, then sorts the 5 number zips-- not what I want.
>
>I tried "sort cards of this stack numeric by chars 1 to 5 of field 
>"zip"" I go a "bad factor" error.

You need to delete the "s":

   sort cards by char 1 to 5 of field "Zip"

"chars" is often synonymous with "char", but not always.
-- 
jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
http://www.jaedworks.com


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Mon Jul 11 00:59:20 2005
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:59:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: different UI approach
In-Reply-To: <27A68B8C-4AC5-41F5-85B6-86504B33C4CC@charter.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507102155010.24891-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

And I'm with both of you (in spirit; haven't checked Mark's link yet).

I really hate those websites that have those nav-menu bars that both
scroll down the page with you (obscuring content sometimes, mind you) as
well as being drop-downs merely by mouse-withins that are accidentally
triggered merely by my trying to get my mouse to somthing I really am
interested in *deliberately* selecting.

Leaves me cursing... most unladylike... I end up unintentionally teaching
new words to the kiddies that I'd really rather not hear them repeating
to, say, the grandparents...

Judy

On Sun, 10 Jul 2005, Mark Swindell wrote:

> I would agree with you, Dan.  I want to be able to control with a
> definitive action (a click) when I want something done.   (Though I
> am working on a project where the mousemove is all there is to
> control a particular action because I feel that's what fits best and
> least obtrusively in the context.)   The slow motion opening and
> closing of elements so prevalent in much of the Flash stuff I see
> also drives me up the wall.



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Mon Jul 11 01:01:06 2005
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:01:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: different UI approach
In-Reply-To: <42D16FE9.7000405@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507102200130.24891-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Isn't that the Microsoft Paperclip?

Or any Mac version of Word after 5.x?

Judy

On Sun, 10 Jul 2005, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> I suppose if we were to indulge in reductio ad absurdum we could
> recommend a UI that doesn't even require the "effort" of moving the
> mouse -- the software decides for you what you want, and triggers
> actions on its own.  Truly effortless!  :)



From yoursignup at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 11 01:06:31 2005
From: yoursignup at yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 19:06:31 -1000
Subject: Printing script problem
In-Reply-To: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLKEMGHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLMEMHHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>

In the previous message I meant to say WordPad. -Jim





From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Mon Jul 11 01:11:00 2005
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:11:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: different UI approach
In-Reply-To: <42D19FD2.7050600@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507102202590.24891-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

IIRC, you are not on a Mac, are you Chipp?

I got mouse-finger (have you tried drawing with one?!!) until I first
moved to the Kensington four-button trackball, and, finally, to the
current fingerless (ask my husband, as he really hasn't got any) Mac
mouse.  No more mouse-finger!

FOR people who were already familiar with the PC qua keyboard-centered
DOS, the mouse-centric GUI was confusing, but if, as may well be likely,
you've read the literature, this was a deliberate attempt to force focus
onto the new GUI concept for THAT OTHER audience, namely, those who were
not already familiar with using a computer, and mouse-centricity was
central to the premise of Schneiderman's articulation of items of interest
and manipulation paradigm.

Which is why I find the whole 2 (and, by extension, 3) button mouse and
especially contextual mousebutton stuff in which you right-click on
nothing in the middle of nowhere stuff simply maddenning and a violation
of the paradigm.

But then, as you say, I guess it's all just what you become accustomed to.

It's easy to be old and grouchy ;-)

Judy

On Sun, 10 Jul 2005, Chipp Walters wrote:

> My inclination is to agree with you, Dan, but I do remember the
> absurdity of the mouse at it's inception, and how difficult it was to
> 'get used to' by the mainstream.
>
> Here are a couple observations...
>
> - You don't get 'mouse finger' (I get it all the time).
> - You probably get 'mouse wrist' if you used it often
> - Strong learning curve for gestures
> - Without gestures, you end up removing an existing dimension of
> interfaces (the click). Think about how you would select text with
> gestures...ouch!
> - It seems to work better with 'dynamic' environments which change as
> you navigate through them. Flash seems especially suited. But, as we all
>   know, changing app environments are particularly 'high' on the GUI
> 'nono' list.
>
> -Chipp



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Mon Jul 11 01:14:49 2005
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:14:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: different UI approach
In-Reply-To: <54.47dcd040.3002fc87@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507102211200.24891-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Exactly!

Okay, so, I am a Mac bigot of sorts, and, so, when I see PC laptop users
with perfectly usable trackpads packing along external mice, I think,
WT*???

I mean, I'm pretty certain that their PC trackpads are equipped with the
requisite left and right mouse buttons, right?  And, sometimes, even the
scrolling thingy??

You never need a bigger table with a stationary mouse...

And, hey, even fingers need exercise, don't they? @;-)

Judy

On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 SimPLsol at aol.com wrote:

> Remember the original mouse? To select a word: click at the beginning of it
> with the first button; click at the end of it with the THIRD button.
> OUCH!
>
> Personally I prefer to "mouse" with a trackpad - even on a desktop computer -
> unlike a mouse, the trackpad is always in the same place, never falls off the
> pad (or desk), requires relatively little motion.
> Paul Looney



From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Mon Jul 11 01:34:57 2005
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:34:57 -0500
Subject: different UI approach
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507102211200.24891-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507102211200.24891-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <42D20501.50705@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Judy Perry wrote:
> Okay, so, I am a Mac bigot of sorts, and, so, when I see PC laptop users
> with perfectly usable trackpads packing along external mice, I think,
> WT*???
> 
> I mean, I'm pretty certain that their PC trackpads are equipped with the
> requisite left and right mouse buttons, right?  And, sometimes, even the
> scrolling thingy??

I have a PC laptop with a trackpad and I still pack my external mouse. 
My trackpad has left and right mouse buttons, as well as the scrolling 
thing.  I find though that for me the mouse is a lot more exact than the 
trackpad.  I always hated trying to draw a straight line with the 
trackpad when I could always do it fine with a mouse.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
_______________________________________________
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http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Mon Jul 11 02:00:02 2005
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:00:02 -0700
Subject: different UI approach
In-Reply-To: <1466880573.20050710103752@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <BEF758F2.1C1FB%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Mark Wieder  wrote:
 
> http://www.dontclick.it/

Another opinion: I enjoy the idea, though I don't see much revolutionary
there.  I think the greater issue is effective communication to visitors
regarding where they can go from where they are.

But the clickable UI seems far from pass?. I would love to see a click-less
UI implemented in an email application -- you'd have to be mighty careful
around the send and delete buttons.  What if nuclear silos had click-less
UIs and no human-key switches?...

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Mon Jul 11 02:27:20 2005
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:27:20 -0700
Subject: different UI approach
In-Reply-To: <20050710224421.74A98824921@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050710224421.74A98824921@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <b3846b6f9902703fa1d3fb2fed3215f5@interisland.net>

Hi Dan,

> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:23:49 -0700
> From: Dan Shafer <revdan at danshafer.com>
> Subject: Re: different UI approach
>
> I don't see any real new thinking here, Mark. Maybe I'm missing
> something. And I don't see ANY value in either being able to navigate
> (sometimes unintentionally) by mouse moves OR in avoiding the simple
> action of clicking a mouse.
>
> Maybe for those with specific disabilities?

FWIW, I work with enableware quite often. As you suggest, sometimes 
gesturing and /or hovering with a timer is an advantage, sometimes a 
timer/click is an advantage (a'la Stephen Hawking Jr.). I won't go into 
details right now, but there is little intuitve advantage to normal 
users beyond specialized controls. Touch screens are mucho mas 
intuitive.

These methods are as old as video games, IOW, there is nothing new 
going on (mouseEnter, mouseWithin, mouseWithin with mouseLoc 
following).

Now, if you can get Rev (or any other software) to read my mind from 
across the room, and accurately anticipate and interpret mental 
commands..........   ;-)

Not all that unusual an idea, but still pretty much science fiction 
AFAICS.

All the best,
Ken N.



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Mon Jul 11 02:48:50 2005
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:48:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: different UI approach
In-Reply-To: <42D20501.50705@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507102335540.27301-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Really?

I personally have more problems with the mouse because it moves, even when
I don't want it to (as does the mousepad, as well as whatever it's
sitting on),  whereas, hopefully, the trackpad ain't goin' anywhere (and,
if it does, I'm in big trouble 'cuz either my computer is
auto-disassembling OR I'm in the midst of a California Tremblor)).

I mean, my hand isn't exactly exact. But, add to that a moving target (the
mouse) on top of a possibly additional moving target (the mousepad, table,
etc.), and it just seems that there are greater chances for error,
precision being the same (which it may well not be), with multiple moving
things than with a single moving thing.  But, who knows?

Makes me long for the old Hypercard (was it HC? Was it something
else?) days of being able to press shift or whatever it was to "draw" a
straight line.

Judy

On Mon, 11 Jul 2005, Derek Bump wrote:

> I have a PC laptop with a trackpad and I still pack my external mouse.
> My trackpad has left and right mouse buttons, as well as the scrolling
> thing.  I find though that for me the mouse is a lot more exact than the
> trackpad.  I always hated trying to draw a straight line with the
> trackpad when I could always do it fine with a mouse.



From europe at ehug.info  Mon Jul 11 04:52:18 2005
From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 10:52:18 +0200
Subject: false anti-alarm
In-Reply-To: <EEB3821F-D607-4A3E-8770-B49594276CA8@conncoll.edu>
References: <6EC9FC2D-F29E-4A41-A3AF-E814C3228AB4@conncoll.edu>
	<EEB3821F-D607-4A3E-8770-B49594276CA8@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <42D23342.8050909@ehug.info>

Charles,

Is the goal of your script to change the default font in text 
fields, not only before but also after font and style tags?

The reason for inserting font tags in substacks may be that 
substacks inherit all font and style information from the main 
stack. If you change the font of the main stack and restore 
htmltext that doesn't have a font tag, Rev inserts a font tag to 
make sure that it looks the same as before. The solution 
probably is inserting a font tag yourself before restoring the 
htmltext.

I believe one should either use default font and style info of 
objects or set the font and style info of text within those 
objects explicitly, rather than trying to do both.

Best regards,

Mark


Charles Hartman wrote:
> In case anyone's interested, I've made a small 48k dummy to  demonstrate 
> this problem, by taking everything out of my appo except  the scripts in 
> question and a couple of example cards. Can't post it  here, with the 
> 16k limit, but I'd be glad to send it to anyone who  wants to poke into 
> a problem that I, for one, am about to give up on  -- it's too far 
> inside Rev's guts for me to have any ideas left about  fixing or even 
> working around it.
> 
> coh
<script snip>
>>
>> This works when it is called on the main stack of an app. When it  is 
>> called on a substack, it screws up. IN THE SUBSTACK ONLY,  wherever 
>> there's a *style* change, Rev inserts (right before the  style tag) a 
>> *font* tag, which hard-wires whatever *was* the  default font before. 
>> Therefore everything after the first style-tag  in the field fails to 
>> switch to the new default font. Why would  this happen in the substack 
>> and not the main stack?
>>
>> <omit several paragraphs of rant>
>>
>>
>> Charles Hartman

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From cowhead at mac.com  Mon Jul 11 05:45:16 2005
From: cowhead at mac.com (mark)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:45:16 +0900
Subject: mac file name fonkyness
Message-ID: <7C96E8CC-F1F0-11D9-8FA1-000A956E5E04@mac.com>

I'm sure this issue has come up many times before, but I've been out of 
the loop recently, so apologies in advance.  If I ask rev (vers. 2.03, 
Mac OS 10.2x) to "put the files" for  long media file names I might get 
something like this:
01-nick_cannon_ft_murphy_lee_e-40-gigolo_(remix_clean)-crn.mp3.
This is is also the name I see in the finder and is also the name 
exported from iTunes if you export a song list.  And if you ask Rev "if 
there is a file" by that name, it tells you "yes", there is.  But if 
you "set the fileName" of a player to the above name, it does not work. 
  If you ask rev to "answer file" you get a different shorter name with 
some numbers replacing the end of the file name.  Compare:
01-nick_cannon_ft_mu#10271E.mp3
01-nick_cannon_ft_murphy_lee_e-40-gigolo_(remix_clean)-crn.mp3
If you set the player's file name to the number containing name, it 
works fine.  Is there some way to convert from one name to another or 
to get a list of these number containing names?  I suspect this has to 
do with the way OS 10.2 handles really long names.  I suppose one 
option might be to try to shorten all the names.
thanks,
mark mitchell
Japan



From jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr  Mon Jul 11 05:53:33 2005
From: jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 11:53:33 +0200
Subject: Transfering stack between WinXP and MacOS9
Message-ID: <42D2419D.2A5E899E@Club-Internet.fr>

Hi list,

I'm facing a problem for the 1st time :
I have a stack built on MacOS9 which I transfered
safely to WinXP (zipped file via ftp). After improving
a few thing on Win, I'd like to transfer it back on OS9.
But whatever method I try, I get the message "stack
corrupted" when opening it on Mac...
Both versions of the stack (Mac & Win) feature the
same number of bytes, and it still opens OK on Win...

Such stack transfer is something I've done for years,
either with MC or Rev stacks...

Any clue ?
Thanks,
JB



From xbury.cs at clearstream.com  Mon Jul 11 05:49:56 2005
From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 11:49:56 +0200
Subject: Transfering stack between WinXP and MacOS9
In-Reply-To: <42D2419D.2A5E899E@Club-Internet.fr>
Message-ID: <OF54F8868D.04709CB7-ONC125703B.0035E9C4-C125703B.0035F005@deutsche-boerse.com>

Any illegal file name characters (:) in the name maybe?

just a thought...

On 11/07/2005 11:53:33 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>Hi list,
>
>I'm facing a problem for the 1st time :
>I have a stack built on MacOS9 which I transfered
>safely to WinXP (zipped file via ftp). After improving
>a few thing on Win, I'd like to transfer it back on OS9.
>But whatever method I try, I get the message "stack
>corrupted" when opening it on Mac...
>Both versions of the stack (Mac & Win) feature the
>same number of bytes, and it still opens OK on Win...
>
>Such stack transfer is something I've done for years,
>either with MC or Rev stacks...
>
>Any clue ?
>Thanks,
>JB
>
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From jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr  Mon Jul 11 06:04:15 2005
From: jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:04:15 +0200
Subject: Transfering stack between WinXP and MacOS9
References: <OF54F8868D.04709CB7-ONC125703B.0035E9C4-C125703B.0035F005@deutsche-boerse.com>
Message-ID: <42D2441E.ACFDEFE5@Club-Internet.fr>

Nope, the file name is very straightforward : Demo.rev
(actually the same name as the original MacOS9 stack).

However, I'm wondering : the stack on WinXP has been
configured (via the "Standalone application settings" menu)
before being saved as a standalone (of course, it's the
source code that I'm trying to transfer)... Could it be the
origin of the problem ?

Thanks,
JB

> Any illegal file name characters (:) in the name maybe?
>
> just a thought...
>
> On 11/07/2005 11:53:33 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
> >Hi list,
> >
> >I'm facing a problem for the 1st time :
> >I have a stack built on MacOS9 which I transfered
> >safely to WinXP (zipped file via ftp). After improving
> >a few thing on Win, I'd like to transfer it back on OS9.
> >But whatever method I try, I get the message "stack
> >corrupted" when opening it on Mac...
> >Both versions of the stack (Mac & Win) feature the
> >same number of bytes, and it still opens OK on Win...
> >
> >Such stack transfer is something I've done for years,
> >either with MC or Rev stacks...
> >
> >Any clue ?
> >Thanks,
> >JB



From rev at armbase.com  Mon Jul 11 05:59:15 2005
From: rev at armbase.com (rev at armbase.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 10:59:15 +0100
Subject: Transfering stack between WinXP and MacOS9
In-Reply-To: <42D2419D.2A5E899E@Club-Internet.fr>
References: <42D2419D.2A5E899E@Club-Internet.fr>
Message-ID: <1121075955.42d242f3201fc@webmail.armbase.com>

Quoting jbv <jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr>:

> Hi list,
>
> I'm facing a problem for the 1st time :
> I have a stack built on MacOS9 which I transfered
> safely to WinXP (zipped file via ftp).

Is the FTP set to binary transfer. If it is set to ASCII transfer then it can be
corrupted. Mind you I cant explain the reverse transfer to win working.

You could always upload it to revonline or to some webspace as a .rev file and
re-download it on the mac, just incase the corruption is via the unzipping on
the mac.

All the best
Bob



From xbury.cs at clearstream.com  Mon Jul 11 05:59:45 2005
From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 11:59:45 +0200
Subject: Transfering stack between WinXP and MacOS9
In-Reply-To: <42D2441E.ACFDEFE5@Club-Internet.fr>
Message-ID: <OFFF13000A.0D6484D6-ONC125703B.0036DCCF-C125703B.0036D639@deutsche-boerse.com>

JB,

Maybe a byte by byte file comparison could help...

cheers
X

On 11/07/2005 12:04:15 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>Nope, the file name is very straightforward : Demo.rev
>(actually the same name as the original MacOS9 stack).
>
>However, I'm wondering : the stack on WinXP has been
>configured (via the "Standalone application settings" menu)
>before being saved as a standalone (of course, it's the
>source code that I'm trying to transfer)... Could it be the
>origin of the problem ?
>
>Thanks,
>JB
>
>> Any illegal file name characters (:) in the name maybe?
>>
>> just a thought...
>>
>> On 11/07/2005 11:53:33 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>> >Hi list,
>> >
>> >I'm facing a problem for the 1st time :
>> >I have a stack built on MacOS9 which I transfered
>> >safely to WinXP (zipped file via ftp). After improving
>> >a few thing on Win, I'd like to transfer it back on OS9.
>> >But whatever method I try, I get the message "stack
>> >corrupted" when opening it on Mac...
>> >Both versions of the stack (Mac & Win) feature the
>> >same number of bytes, and it still opens OK on Win...
>> >
>> >Such stack transfer is something I've done for years,
>> >either with MC or Rev stacks...
>> >
>> >Any clue ?
>> >Thanks,
>> >JB
>
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From rev at armbase.com  Mon Jul 11 06:02:35 2005
From: rev at armbase.com (rev at armbase.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 11:02:35 +0100
Subject: Is it ok to go to 2.6
Message-ID: <1121076155.42d243bb30a19@webmail.armbase.com>


Hi All.

I noted that the early 2.6 tiger caused some problems I think the "ask" command
was one. I have 2.5 on a winXP. Is it OK to go to 2.6 on WinXP or are there
still some issues to be resolved that were ok in 2.5?

All the best
Bob




From jbondy at sover.net  Mon Jul 11 07:33:41 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 07:33:41 -0400
Subject: sorting zip codes
In-Reply-To: <p062102d2bef7a3128de5@[192.168.2.153]>
References: <CF391722-F173-11D9-A4E4-000393A7F528@ucs.orst.edu>
	<p062102d2bef7a3128de5@[192.168.2.153]>
Message-ID: <42D25915.30703@sover.net>

<"chars" is often synonymous with "char", but not always. >

Can this possibly be true?  Really?  Sigh


Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote:

> At 11:52 AM -0700 7/10/2005, Rich Lague wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to set up a sort of a stack of address cards by zip code. 
>> Some of the zips are only the first 5 numbers and some of them are in 
>> the form "xxxxx-xxxx".
>>
>> The script, "sort cards numeric by field "zip"" sorts all the 9 
>> number zips first, then sorts the 5 number zips-- not what I want.
>>
>> I tried "sort cards of this stack numeric by chars 1 to 5 of field 
>> "zip"" I go a "bad factor" error.
>
>
> You need to delete the "s":
>
>   sort cards by char 1 to 5 of field "Zip"
>
> "chars" is often synonymous with "char", but not always.



From jbondy at sover.net  Mon Jul 11 07:37:32 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 07:37:32 -0400
Subject: different UI approach
In-Reply-To: <BEF758F2.1C1FB%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <BEF758F2.1C1FB%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <42D259FC.9020608@sover.net>

I enjoyed taking a look at this new [?!?] UI, but the proof of the 
pudding, for me, was when I accidentally moved the mouse across the 
answer to a question, and it assumed I had "answered" (with no way to 
"back up").  I'd say I would have to pass on this one.

Jon


Scott Rossi wrote:

>Recently, Mark Wieder  wrote:
> 
>  
>
>>http://www.dontclick.it/
>>    
>>
>
>Another opinion: I enjoy the idea, though I don't see much revolutionary
>there.  I think the greater issue is effective communication to visitors
>regarding where they can go from where they are.
>
>But the clickable UI seems far from pass?. I would love to see a click-less
>UI implemented in an email application -- you'd have to be mighty careful
>around the send and delete buttons.  What if nuclear silos had click-less
>UIs and no human-key switches?...
>
>Regards,
>
>Scott Rossi
>Creative Director
>Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
>-----
>E: scott at tactilemedia.com
>W: http://www.tactilemedia.com
>
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From jbondy at sover.net  Mon Jul 11 07:40:21 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 07:40:21 -0400
Subject: Transfering stack between WinXP and MacOS9
In-Reply-To: <1121075955.42d242f3201fc@webmail.armbase.com>
References: <42D2419D.2A5E899E@Club-Internet.fr>
	<1121075955.42d242f3201fc@webmail.armbase.com>
Message-ID: <42D25AA5.8060202@sover.net>

If he is transferring a Zip, he could not have corrupted it during the 
file transfer: the unZip processor would have detected it...

:)

Jon


rev at armbase.com wrote:

>Quoting jbv <jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr>:
>
>  
>
>>Hi list,
>>
>>I'm facing a problem for the 1st time :
>>I have a stack built on MacOS9 which I transfered
>>safely to WinXP (zipped file via ftp).
>>    
>>
>
>Is the FTP set to binary transfer. If it is set to ASCII transfer then it can be
>corrupted. Mind you I cant explain the reverse transfer to win working.
>
>You could always upload it to revonline or to some webspace as a .rev file and
>re-download it on the mac, just incase the corruption is via the unzipping on
>the mac.
>
>All the best
>Bob
>
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>use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>
>
>  
>


From jbondy at sover.net  Mon Jul 11 07:41:06 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 07:41:06 -0400
Subject: Is it ok to go to 2.6
In-Reply-To: <1121076155.42d243bb30a19@webmail.armbase.com>
References: <1121076155.42d243bb30a19@webmail.armbase.com>
Message-ID: <42D25AD2.6090605@sover.net>

I've been using 2.6 for weeks (albeit not at the rabid rate of some of 
the other list users).  I have never experienced a problem.  Or if I 
did, I am unaware of it <sick grin>

:)

Jon


rev at armbase.com wrote:

>Hi All.
>
>I noted that the early 2.6 tiger caused some problems I think the "ask" command
>was one. I have 2.5 on a winXP. Is it OK to go to 2.6 on WinXP or are there
>still some issues to be resolved that were ok in 2.5?
>
>All the best
>Bob
>
>
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From jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr  Mon Jul 11 08:26:53 2005
From: jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:26:53 +0200
Subject: Transfering stack between WinXP and MacOS9
References: <42D2419D.2A5E899E@Club-Internet.fr>
	<1121075955.42d242f3201fc@webmail.armbase.com>
	<42D25AA5.8060202@sover.net>
Message-ID: <42D2658C.75F258C6@Club-Internet.fr>


Yep, and I also tried to transfer the unzipped stack via Iomega Zip,
and I get the same error...

BTW Jon, what makes you think I'm a "he", and not a "she" ?    ;-)

JB

> If he is transferring a Zip, he could not have corrupted it during the
> file transfer: the unZip processor would have detected it...
>
> :)
>
> Jon
>
> rev at armbase.com wrote:
>
> >Quoting jbv <jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr>:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Hi list,
> >>
> >>I'm facing a problem for the 1st time :
> >>I have a stack built on MacOS9 which I transfered
> >>safely to WinXP (zipped file via ftp).
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Is the FTP set to binary transfer. If it is set to ASCII transfer then it can be
> >corrupted. Mind you I cant explain the reverse transfer to win working.
> >
> >You could always upload it to revonline or to some webspace as a .rev file and
> >re-download it on the mac, just incase the corruption is via the unzipping on
> >the mac.
> >
> >All the best
> >Bob
> >
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> >use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Mon Jul 11 08:44:30 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:44:30 -0400
Subject: false anti-alarm
In-Reply-To: <42D23342.8050909@ehug.info>
References: <6EC9FC2D-F29E-4A41-A3AF-E814C3228AB4@conncoll.edu>
	<EEB3821F-D607-4A3E-8770-B49594276CA8@conncoll.edu>
	<42D23342.8050909@ehug.info>
Message-ID: <BFCF3235-E296-4DD3-8A2E-D851D3345D59@conncoll.edu>


On Jul 11, 2005, at 4:52 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Charles,
>
> Is the goal of your script to change the default font in text  
> fields, not only before but also after font and style tags?

Yes. The goal: everything in the script, that does not fall within an  
area where I've specified a font, gets the default font. (That's what  
"default font" would seem to mean.) Everything with a marked style  
(e.g., link) keeps its marked style, whether its font is the default  
or a specified one.

>
> The reason for inserting font tags in substacks may be that  
> substacks inherit all font and style information from the main stack.

The cards of the *main* stack inherit all font and style information  
from the stack, too. But they behave as expected; no gratuitous font- 
tags inserted.


> If you change the font of the main stack and restore htmltext that  
> doesn't have a font tag, Rev inserts a font tag to make sure that  
> it looks the same as before. The solution probably is inserting a  
> font tag yourself before restoring the htmltext.

How?? Rev inserts a new font tag before a pair of style-change tags.  
To insert my own, "counter"-tags, I'd have to wait till Rev has done  
its dirty work, then go back and change the content of Rev's font tag  
-- which means that somehow I'd have to distinguish them from my own  
font tags, on my bits of text that are specially marked. It wouldn't  
be "inserting a font tag yourself before restoring the htmltext,"  
because at that point Rev hasn't put in its font tag, as far as I can  
tell.

>
> I believe one should either use default font and style info of  
> objects or set the font and style info of text within those objects  
> explicitly, rather than trying to do both.


I suppose that's a possible design paradigm -- though one I wouldn't  
dream of programming within -- but it's one in which "inheritance"  
would be meaningless. Inheritance is a way of getting the advantages  
of "do everything the official way" (without the foolish rigidity)  
and "specify everything exactly" (which is the Assembler approach-- 
without libraries!).


Charles Hartman
Professor of English, Poet in Residence
Connecticut College
charles.hartman at conncoll.edu
*the Scandroid* is at cherry.conncoll.edu/cohar/Programs.htm




From cowhead at mac.com  Mon Jul 11 08:48:15 2005
From: cowhead at mac.com (mark)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:48:15 +0900
Subject: searchable database of revlist
In-Reply-To: <20050710224421.A4FD5824923@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <0C96F5A4-F20A-11D9-8FA1-000A956E5E04@mac.com>

Outside of rev, I recommend BBedit, which will do a multi-file batch 
search.  Just stick all the text files in one folder and give it a go.  
The free "light" version of BB works fine for this.  Does take some 
time though.
> Now, when i have all these decompressed
> text files from this list in a CD or Hard
> Disk,
>
> Which are my alternatives within RunRev
> to create a searchable database with all messages
> from this list?

From jbondy at sover.net  Mon Jul 11 09:20:34 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:20:34 -0400
Subject: Transfering stack between WinXP and MacOS9
In-Reply-To: <42D2658C.75F258C6@Club-Internet.fr>
References: <42D2419D.2A5E899E@Club-Internet.fr>	<1121075955.42d242f3201fc@webmail.armbase.com>	<42D25AA5.8060202@sover.net>
	<42D2658C.75F258C6@Club-Internet.fr>
Message-ID: <42D27222.1050407@sover.net>

Sorry, jbv.  I'll write "s/he" from now on. 

:)


jbv wrote:

>Yep, and I also tried to transfer the unzipped stack via Iomega Zip,
>and I get the same error...
>
>BTW Jon, what makes you think I'm a "he", and not a "she" ?    ;-)
>
>JB
>
>  
>
>>If he is transferring a Zip, he could not have corrupted it during the
>>file transfer: the unZip processor would have detected it...
>>
>>:)
>>
>>Jon
>>
>>rev at armbase.com wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Quoting jbv <jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr>:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Hi list,
>>>>
>>>>I'm facing a problem for the 1st time :
>>>>I have a stack built on MacOS9 which I transfered
>>>>safely to WinXP (zipped file via ftp).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>Is the FTP set to binary transfer. If it is set to ASCII transfer then it can be
>>>corrupted. Mind you I cant explain the reverse transfer to win working.
>>>
>>>You could always upload it to revonline or to some webspace as a .rev file and
>>>re-download it on the mac, just incase the corruption is via the unzipping on
>>>the mac.
>>>
>>>All the best
>>>Bob
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>use-revolution mailing list
>>>use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>>Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
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From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Mon Jul 11 09:24:13 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:24:13 -0400
Subject: Transfering stack between WinXP and MacOS9
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A946A337@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

It is unfortunate that English lacks a gender-neutral personal pronoun.

Proper grammar would be to use the word "he" in a situation where you do
not know a person's gender, but perhaps some rules are best broken:)

That particular rule of grammar was probably thunk up by the same person
who decided that couples should be addressed as Mr. and Mrs. John
Smith:)

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jon
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 9:21 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Transfering stack between WinXP and MacOS9

Sorry, jbv.  I'll write "s/he" from now on. 

:)


jbv wrote:

>Yep, and I also tried to transfer the unzipped stack via Iomega Zip,
>and I get the same error...
>
>BTW Jon, what makes you think I'm a "he", and not a "she" ?    ;-)
>
>JB
>
>  
>
>>If he is transferring a Zip, he could not have corrupted it during the
>>file transfer: the unZip processor would have detected it...
>>
>>:)
>>
>>Jon
>>
>>rev at armbase.com wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Quoting jbv <jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr>:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Hi list,
>>>>
>>>>I'm facing a problem for the 1st time :
>>>>I have a stack built on MacOS9 which I transfered
>>>>safely to WinXP (zipped file via ftp).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>Is the FTP set to binary transfer. If it is set to ASCII transfer
then it can be
>>>corrupted. Mind you I cant explain the reverse transfer to win
working.
>>>
>>>You could always upload it to revonline or to some webspace as a .rev
file and
>>>re-download it on the mac, just incase the corruption is via the
unzipping on
>>>the mac.
>>>
>>>All the best
>>>Bob
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>use-revolution mailing list
>>>use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>>Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
subscription preferences:
>>>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
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subscription preferences:
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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Mon Jul 11 10:04:15 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 10:04:15 -0400
Subject: Transfering stack between WinXP and MacOS9
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A946A337@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A946A337@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <429edcbb31109b1badfd9111e66ceed1@adelphia.net>

I don't know if he/she/it was the same person who decided that but I 
bet he/she/it was actually a he/she/it and not a he/she/it.

Seriously, when doing presentations that are going to be in english but 
presented in foreign speaking countries I always am asked to replace he 
or she with he/she or him and her with him/her etc. in all of my 
presentations.

It would be nice to have a neutral way of identifying the person with 
out gender. This would be politically correct now a days. FBOW (for 
better or worse)

Tom McG


On Jul 11, 2005, at 9:24 AM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:

> It is unfortunate that English lacks a gender-neutral personal pronoun.
>
> Proper grammar would be to use the word "he" in a situation where you 
> do
> not know a person's gender, but perhaps some rules are best broken:)
>
> That particular rule of grammar was probably thunk up by the same 
> person
> who decided that couples should be addressed as Mr. and Mrs. John
> Smith:)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jon
> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 9:21 AM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Transfering stack between WinXP and MacOS9
>
> Sorry, jbv.  I'll write "s/he" from now on.
>
> :)
>
>
> jbv wrote:
>
>> Yep, and I also tried to transfer the unzipped stack via Iomega Zip,
>> and I get the same error...
>>
>> BTW Jon, what makes you think I'm a "he", and not a "she" ?    ;-)
>>
>> JB
>>
>>
>>
>>> If he is transferring a Zip, he could not have corrupted it during 
>>> the
>>> file transfer: the unZip processor would have detected it...
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>> Jon
>>>
>>> rev at armbase.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Quoting jbv <jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr>:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi list,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm facing a problem for the 1st time :
>>>>> I have a stack built on MacOS9 which I transfered
>>>>> safely to WinXP (zipped file via ftp).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Is the FTP set to binary transfer. If it is set to ASCII transfer
> then it can be
>>>> corrupted. Mind you I cant explain the reverse transfer to win
> working.
>>>>
>>>> You could always upload it to revonline or to some webspace as a 
>>>> .rev
> file and
>>>> re-download it on the mac, just incase the corruption is via the
> unzipping on
>>>> the mac.
>>>>
>>>> All the best
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From scwilliams at cji.net  Mon Jul 11 10:14:35 2005
From: scwilliams at cji.net (scwilliams at cji.net)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:14:35 -0500
Subject: What About Newbies
Message-ID: <3B68F9B3660EEF4B8C859E3277B40633AA8E96@messenger.ncrle.net>

Dan
Where do we get your book?  I feel the same way as Tom.

Sandy Williams
Direct: 501-570-8076
Fax: 501-565-3081
"If you don't like something change it; if you can't change it, 
change the way you think about it." - Mary Engelbreit

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Shafer [mailto:revdan at danshafer.com] 
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 9:47 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: What About Newbies

Tom....

May I humbly suggest you buy my book, "Revolution: Software at the  
Speed of Thought" from the Rev storefront? I think it is aimed at the  
entry-level to early mid-level user (at least that's its intent).

That said, your statement of the problem you're trying to solve,  
unless I'm misreading it, misues the word "simply." Setting up a  
database is non-trivial and not for beginners. OTOH, if what you mean  
is a stack with a bunch of cards containing text that you can display  
as needed or randomly, that's a piece of cake.


On Jul 9, 2005, at 7:05 PM, Tom McDonald wrote:

> I've been running tutorials and whatever else is available to a  
> newcomer to Revolution but have become frustrated because it is all  
> beyond me The daily material is all about technical stuff between  
> gurus. There is nothing for the newbie. The videos are smoothly  
> presented and the diction is impressive but it's all above me.  
> There's a group of advanced users swapping esoteric fixes.
>
> I need a video turorial that simply explains how to create a data  
> base of many text screens that can be called up as needed or on a  
> random basis.
>
> How about a basic explanation of an If/Then and a Do While algorithm?
>
> Perhaps an explanation of how and where to locate plug-ins and how  
> to use them.
>
> Perhaps a kindergarten section in the daily blurbs would assist  
> people like me.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom McDonald
>
>
>
>
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From yoursignup at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 11 10:29:09 2005
From: yoursignup at yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 04:29:09 -1000
Subject: Is it ok to go to 2.6
In-Reply-To: <1121076155.42d243bb30a19@webmail.armbase.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEMMHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>

I second this question. I'm still running 2.51 on WinXP. Reason: Given the
choice between new features and less bugs, I always opt for less bugs. -Jim

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 12:03 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Is it ok to go to 2.6


Hi All.

I noted that the early 2.6 tiger caused some problems I think the "ask"
command
was one. I have 2.5 on a winXP. Is it OK to go to 2.6 on WinXP or are there
still some issues to be resolved that were ok in 2.5?

All the best
Bob


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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Mon Jul 11 10:31:34 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 10:31:34 -0400
Subject: What About Newbies
In-Reply-To: <3B68F9B3660EEF4B8C859E3277B40633AA8E96@messenger.ncrle.net>
References: <3B68F9B3660EEF4B8C859E3277B40633AA8E96@messenger.ncrle.net>
Message-ID: <9c49d83b38617a00143e000ea2a984b5@adelphia.net>

Tom,

Nice name!!!! My name is Tom as well.

When I started out in xTalk the single most helpful thing I found was 
to download other peoples stacks and read through them and see how they 
did it. It helps to have an idea of 'what' you want to accomplish so 
that when you see how someone else did it then it will make more sense. 
Even today I still do this. I now learn how to do things in a more 
efficient manner from seeing how others do it.

Start out with a simple premise: "I want to have a series of cards and 
progress through them in a logical way."
Then check out how other people do just that. You will soon discover 
the go command. So look that up in the dictionary and you will find:

Go
Navigates to another card or stack.

go [invisible] [to] card [of stack] [as mode|in [a] new window|in 
window]
go [invisible] [to] {first | prev[ious]| next | last | any} [marked] 
[card]
go [invisible] [to] {recent | start | finish | home} card
go [invisible] [to] {forward | forth | back[ward]} [number]} [card[s]]

In it's most basic form (ignore the [] ) it is "go card "card name".
or - go first card
or - go previous card
or - go forward
or - go forward 2 cards

Then look at the examples in the dictionary that are provided:

go to card "Hemingway" -- in the defaultStack
go to stack "Controls" as palette
go to next marked card
go back 7 cards
go invisible stack "Preferences"
go stack URL "http://www.example.org/data/mystack.rev" in a new window

Then build a blank stack and create a couple of  cards and try putting 
some of those in a button in a mouseUp handler. Or as I do, take 
someone else's stack and change the scripts that are in their buttons 
and see what effect that has on how the stack works. As long as you 
keep a backup copy of the stack then any thing you do will only either 
work and you can say "Ah hah" or if it doesn't work then you can say "I 
won't do that again"  but you can always go back to the backup.

This is the way I prefer to learn. Slowly over time as you piece things 
together you will pick up enough to write your own simple stacks. Then 
you can see how others handle the  if - then statements and switch 
statements and repeat structures. These become your building blocks.

I have not stopped learning since the day I started and I don't 
consider myself a guru at all. I do however finally feel confident that 
I can produce a solution to most problems via research and trial and 
error - that is the beauty of xTalk in the first place.

I hope you adopt a strategy and stick with it and if reading a book is 
how you learn best then get Dan's book and still download as many 
sample stacks and see other examples of how codes work.

HTH

Tom McGrath

> On Jul 9, 2005, at 7:05 PM, Tom McDonald wrote:
>
>> I've been running tutorials and whatever else is available to a
>> newcomer to Revolution but have become frustrated because it is all
>> beyond me The daily material is all about technical stuff between
>> gurus. There is nothing for the newbie. The videos are smoothly
>> presented and the diction is impressive but it's all above me.
>> There's a group of advanced users swapping esoteric fixes.
>>
>> I need a video turorial that simply explains how to create a data
>> base of many text screens that can be called up as needed or on a
>> random basis.
>>
>> How about a basic explanation of an If/Then and a Do While algorithm?
>>
>> Perhaps an explanation of how and where to locate plug-ins and how
>> to use them.
>>
>> Perhaps a kindergarten section in the daily blurbs would assist
>> people like me.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tom McDonald
>>


Macintosh PowerBook G-4 OSX 10.3.9, OS 9.2.2, 1.25 GHz, 512MB RAM, Rev 
2.6


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From keith at vortex.co.uk  Mon Jul 11 10:58:29 2005
From: keith at vortex.co.uk (keith)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:58:29 +0100
Subject: [OT] Re: Transfering stack between WinXP and MacOS9
In-Reply-To: <429edcbb31109b1badfd9111e66ceed1@adelphia.net>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A946A337@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
	<429edcbb31109b1badfd9111e66ceed1@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <p0621022abef83607fb0c@[10.0.0.19]>

Sometime around 11/7/05 (at 10:04 -0400) Thomas McGrath III said:

>I don't know if he/she/it was the same person who decided that but I 
>bet he/she/it was actually a he/she/it and not a he/she/it.
>
>Seriously, when doing presentations that are going to be in english 
>but presented in foreign speaking countries I always am asked to 
>replace he or she with he/she or him and her with him/her etc. in 
>all of my presentations.
>
>It would be nice to have a neutral way of identifying the person 
>with out gender. This would be politically correct now a days. FBOW 
>(for better or worse)

I find that bending the rules rather than breaking them is the best 
solution, here, as in life in general. If the gender is unknown, a 
simple "they" will suffice almost all of the time, even when speaking 
about an individual. That, and using their name.

I do admit that your problem of translating to other languages is a 
bit more difficult.

I remember my mother's reaction to an American 'translation' of one 
of her books (this was from the Queen's English, BTW!) which had her 
conciously-written uses of "he" and "his" changed to a random mixture 
of he/her and his/hers. All in the name of political correctness.

Frankly, *that* sort of attempt to paper over real issues is fairly 
insulting to the intelligence of hims and hers alike.

k

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From revdan at danshafer.com  Mon Jul 11 11:16:01 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:16:01 -0700
Subject: What About Newbies
In-Reply-To: <3B68F9B3660EEF4B8C859E3277B40633AA8E96@messenger.ncrle.net>
References: <3B68F9B3660EEF4B8C859E3277B40633AA8E96@messenger.ncrle.net>
Message-ID: <3FA508AD-AFB5-4926-A2C9-B274F9F137C0@danshafer.com>

My book is available in print form thorugh RunRev directly from their  
store. On the opening page of their site at http://www.runrev.com,  
scroll all the way down and see the link on the left.

Dan

On Jul 11, 2005, at 7:14 AM, scwilliams at cji.net wrote:

> Dan
> Where do we get your book?  I feel the same way as Tom.
>
> Sandy Williams
> Direct: 501-570-8076
> Fax: 501-565-3081
> "If you don't like something change it; if you can't change it,
> change the way you think about it." - Mary Engelbreit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Shafer [mailto:revdan at danshafer.com]
> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 9:47 PM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: What About Newbies
>
> Tom....
>
> May I humbly suggest you buy my book, "Revolution: Software at the
> Speed of Thought" from the Rev storefront? I think it is aimed at the
> entry-level to early mid-level user (at least that's its intent).
>
> That said, your statement of the problem you're trying to solve,
> unless I'm misreading it, misues the word "simply." Setting up a
> database is non-trivial and not for beginners. OTOH, if what you mean
> is a stack with a bunch of cards containing text that you can display
> as needed or randomly, that's a piece of cake.
>
>
> On Jul 9, 2005, at 7:05 PM, Tom McDonald wrote:
>
>
>> I've been running tutorials and whatever else is available to a
>> newcomer to Revolution but have become frustrated because it is all
>> beyond me The daily material is all about technical stuff between
>> gurus. There is nothing for the newbie. The videos are smoothly
>> presented and the diction is impressive but it's all above me.
>> There's a group of advanced users swapping esoteric fixes.
>>
>> I need a video turorial that simply explains how to create a data
>> base of many text screens that can be called up as needed or on a
>> random basis.
>>
>> How about a basic explanation of an If/Then and a Do While algorithm?
>>
>> Perhaps an explanation of how and where to locate plug-ins and how
>> to use them.
>>
>> Perhaps a kindergarten section in the daily blurbs would assist
>> people like me.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tom McDonald
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------
>>  Sell on Yahoo! Auctions  - No fees. Bid on great items.
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>>
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> http://www.shafermedia.com
> Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
>  From http://www.shafermedia.com/revolutionbooks.html
>
>
>
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Mon Jul 11 12:09:51 2005
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:09:51 -0700
Subject: mac file name fonkyness
In-Reply-To: <7C96E8CC-F1F0-11D9-8FA1-000A956E5E04@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BEF7E7DF.1C261%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, mark  wrote:

> I'm sure this issue has come up many times before, but I've been out of
> the loop recently, so apologies in advance.  If I ask rev (vers. 2.03,
> Mac OS 10.2x) to "put the files" for  long media file names I might get
> something like this:
> 01-nick_cannon_ft_murphy_lee_e-40-gigolo_(remix_clean)-crn.mp3.
> This is is also the name I see in the finder and is also the name
> exported from iTunes if you export a song list.  And if you ask Rev "if
> there is a file" by that name, it tells you "yes", there is.  But if
> you "set the fileName" of a player to the above name, it does not work.

A workaround was provided by Mark Waddingham: set the filename of
a your player to a *file* URL, ie
file:///Volumes/Primary/Users/mark/Desktop/really_really_really_long_filenam
e.mp3

Important: make sure to replace any spaces in the name with %20, even though
you should *not* use a fully URL encoded path.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
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From preid at reidit.co.uk  Mon Jul 11 12:16:15 2005
From: preid at reidit.co.uk (Peter Reid)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:16:15 +0100
Subject: FM Pro 7 & ODBC
Message-ID: <p06230900bef84b55823d@[192.168.181.1]>

Can anyone advise me on how I can access a FileMaker Pro 7 database 
from Rev 2.6 (under OS X 10.3.8)?  I have tried installing ODBC 
support but whenever I try to connect I get "revdberr,invalid 
database type" returned as the error!

Thanks

Peter
-- 
Peter Reid
Reid-IT Limited, Loughborough, Leics., UK
E-mail: preid at reidit.co.uk


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Jul 11 12:41:04 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:41:04 -0700
Subject: different UI approach
In-Reply-To: <42D259FC.9020608@sover.net>
References: <BEF758F2.1C1FB%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<42D259FC.9020608@sover.net>
Message-ID: <1693895170.20050711094104@ahsoftware.net>

Jon-

Monday, July 11, 2005, 4:37:32 AM, you wrote:

J> I enjoyed taking a look at this new [?!?] UI, but the proof of the 
J> pudding, for me, was when I accidentally moved the mouse across the
J> answer to a question, and it assumed I had "answered" (with no way to
J> "back up").  I'd say I would have to pass on this one.

That was pretty much my take on this as well. I had fun exploring with
the clickless approach but had trouble navigating with it. I think I'd
agree with Scott that it would be useful to show users what's
available but that click is important to keep them out of trouble.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr  Mon Jul 11 12:57:59 2005
From: jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:57:59 +0200
Subject: different UI approach
References: <BEF758F2.1C1FB%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<42D259FC.9020608@sover.net> <1693895170.20050711094104@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <42D2A515.61E853FC@Club-Internet.fr>

I think a 100% "no click" interface has no interest,
although there are some actions that don't need a
click...
In the intranet project I mentioned yesterday (in
which I planed to implement such an UI approach),
users could browse (very quickly) through various
topics indexes just by moving the mouse over screen
areas; but when they decided to go to 1 specific web
page, then they had to click.

Someone mentioned the slowness of the Flash
example; indeed speed of display of content is
a necessity in reaction to mousemoves., because
mouse moves are fast by nature (faster than pointing
& clicking). Furthermore, some elegant graphic
movements can be associated to a  mouse move (the
icon dock on OSX fo instance), which IMHO look
less "natural" when a click is required...

JB

> Jon-
>
> Monday, July 11, 2005, 4:37:32 AM, you wrote:
>
> J> I enjoyed taking a look at this new [?!?] UI, but the proof of the
> J> pudding, for me, was when I accidentally moved the mouse across the
> J> answer to a question, and it assumed I had "answered" (with no way to
> J> "back up").  I'd say I would have to pass on this one.
>
> That was pretty much my take on this as well. I had fun exploring with
> the clickless approach but had trouble navigating with it. I think I'd
> agree with Scott that it would be useful to show users what's
> available but that click is important to keep them out of trouble.
>



From irog at mac.com  Mon Jul 11 12:50:26 2005
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 10:50:26 -0600
Subject: Is it ok to go to 2.6
In-Reply-To: <20050711163349.EF15F824A24@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050711163349.EF15F824A24@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3CC2E06D-D5E6-4A68-8F25-10F0BD7973B2@mac.com>

I've been using it since it was released without any (noticeably  
different) problems.  I'm not the most sophisticated user however,  
and my critics tell me that I tend to "ignore" bugs!!

Roger


On Jul 11, 2005, at 10:33 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 04:29:09 -1000
> From: "Jim Bufalini" <yoursignup at yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: Is it ok to go to 2.6
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEMMHIAA.yoursignup at yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I second this question. I'm still running 2.51 on WinXP. Reason:  
> Given the
> choice between new features and less bugs, I always opt for less  
> bugs. -Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of
> rev at armbase.com
> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 12:03 AM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Is it ok to go to 2.6
>
>
> Hi All.
>
> I noted that the early 2.6 tiger caused some problems I think the  
> "ask"
> command
> was one. I have 2.5 on a winXP. Is it OK to go to 2.6 on WinXP or  
> are there
> still some issues to be resolved that were ok in 2.5?
>
> All the best
> Bob
>



From larsbrehmer at mac.com  Mon Jul 11 13:11:41 2005
From: larsbrehmer at mac.com (Lars Brehmer)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 20:11:41 +0300
Subject: Transfering stack between WinXP and MacOS9
Message-ID: <348ED428-CD57-48D0-91A4-2101F548C12E@mac.com>

This got a little off topic with the whole gender thing, so I thought  
I'd share an interesting fact with you all.

In Estonian there IS only one word for he and she (same goes for him/ 
her and all other nominal cases.)  In other words there is no gender  
distinction whatsoever in the language.  By the way, there are no  
future verb forms either, so you can imagine how confused the dating  
scene can get ;-)

Thought that might be amusing.

Lars 
  


From katir at hindu.org  Mon Jul 11 13:52:43 2005
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 07:52:43 -1000
Subject: control and option keys not working on Tiger with 2.6?
In-Reply-To: <8D5FAA90-0D2A-499F-97DA-9C864CF66D67@genesearch.com.au>
References: <843607E7-AA1F-4824-8CE8-D5B5A43F9302@hindu.org>
	<8D5FAA90-0D2A-499F-97DA-9C864CF66D67@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <DBD5C6D4-F45D-468C-9C51-667140520CB9@hindu.org>

Sarah:

That's a good clean simple test... and it fails here... All I get is  
Up or Down regardless of what other keys are pressed.

I don't know if I have any front scripts loaded.. I don't think I  
do... how does one wipe out front scripts

[time passes as he changes this script to put the response into a  
field and then boot the stack  from a splash player standalone so the  
IDE is not loaded]

.....nope, still not go... running from a Player with no IDE  
loaded... I'm getting nothing...

something in my system? I better test in some other apps.. he quits  
rev...opens mail.app.. .all option and cmd-option keys are working

open BBEdit... open doc... control key strokes are trapped and  
implemented as expected..

mmm dunno now... my bluetooth keyboard is not interfering.. if I  
unplug everything and reboot my machine and do it from the real  
keyboard.. still not go... option key and control key not trapped by rev

sigh... this will be a tough one to sort out.

skts




On Jul 10, 2005, at 2:03 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> Using Tiger (10.4.1) & Rev 2.6, I made a new stack, with nothing in  
> it except this card script:
>
> on mouseDown
>   if controlkey()="Down" then
>     put "Down + control"
>   else
>     put "Down"
>   end if
> end mouseDown
>
> on mouseUp
>   if optionkey()="Down" then
>     put "Up + option"
>   else
>     put "Up"
>   end if
> end mouseUp
>
> It worked exactly as I expected, so i think you may have something  
> else causing your problem. Do you have any frontScripts that could  
> be intercepting the keys?
>
> Sarah
>



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jul 11 13:59:03 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 10:59:03 -0700
Subject: Is it ok to go to 2.6
In-Reply-To: <3CC2E06D-D5E6-4A68-8F25-10F0BD7973B2@mac.com>
References: <20050711163349.EF15F824A24@mail.runrev.com>
	<3CC2E06D-D5E6-4A68-8F25-10F0BD7973B2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <42D2B367.40008@fourthworld.com>

In addition to the Ask/Answer issue, which affects everyone, there is 
the one with non-OS-drawn menus which extend beyond the height of the 
monitor, which kills the MC IDE, devolution, and anything else that 
enjoys having menus in specific font sizes.

Given the critical nature of the Ask/Answer issue (many scripts use "if 
it is empty then..." which will break with v2.6) I would have thought a 
v2.6.1 would have been released by now.

If there's been an engine update to address this I'm not familiar with 
it, and would love to learn this has already been done.

Perhaps someone from RunRev will chime in here with the status.....

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From bann at sunncomm.com  Mon Jul 11 14:16:20 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 11:16:20 -0700
Subject: Scrolling List field
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760968@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>

Thanks you for your help.  It works.  How can I transfer the value of
clickline into a button so when user click on a button then it shows the
value of clickline







I'm no expert...

Turn on the "list behavior" checkbox in the field's basic properties 
window. Also, lock the text of the field. Put an "on mouseup" script 
in the script of the field. In the script, use the clickline 
function, or the value of the clickline. If you're a beginner, start 
with

on mouseup
      answer the clickline
      answer the value of the clickline
end mouseUp

When you see what the clickline and the value of the clickline look 
like, you'll be ready to take the next step. Of course, you've got to 
have some data in your scrolling list field for this to work.

That's the basics. Unless I got something wrong.


Good luck,



Tim
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From mark at maseurope.net  Mon Jul 11 15:02:08 2005
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 20:02:08 +0100
Subject: different UI approach
Message-ID: <10ea41afe1770a2f9b492f58b4f3f0be@maseurope.net>

This works just the same in Rev, doesn't it? At least, it constrains 
the line to (I guess) 22.5 degrees....

Mark

 >Makes me long for the old Hypercard (was it HC? Was it something
 >else?) days of being able to press shift or whatever it was to "draw" a
 >straight line.

 >Judy

From mdswindell at charter.net  Mon Jul 11 15:06:09 2005
From: mdswindell at charter.net (Mark Swindell)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:06:09 -0700
Subject: Scrolling List field
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760968@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760968@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <D0EBA184-966A-4C1A-A41D-A0FD12294E1F@charter.net>


On Jul 11, 2005, at 11:16 AM, Ban Nguyen wrote:

> Thanks you for your help.  It works.  How can I transfer the value of
> clickline into a button so when user click on a button then it  
> shows the
> value of clickline

You could put the clickline into a global variable (gClickVar) or  
custom property (clickProp).  When the user clicks on the button the  
value of the variable (or custom property) would show at the location  
of your choosing.


This would go into the field you click on:

On mouseUp
global gClickVar
put the clickline into gClickVar  -- (or)
--set the clickProp of this card to the clickline
End mouseUp


This would go into the Button that places the value of the clickline  
into a second field

On MouseUp
global gClickVar
put value(gClickVar) into field 2 -- or
--put the clickProp of this cd into field 2
end MouseUp

Hope this makes sense.  There are probably other more elegant solutions.

Mark

From bann at sunncomm.com  Mon Jul 11 15:08:15 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:08:15 -0700
Subject: PLEASE HELP PLEASE HEP.........
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760969@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>

I have this code in the scrolling list field:

global textOfClickedLine
on mouseUp
   select the clickLine
   put the value of the clickLine into textOfClickedLine
   answer textOfClickedLine
end mouseUp

It prints the value of the clickline correctly

And then created a button on the same card

And have this code for the button:

on mouseUp
    answer value(textOfClickedLine)
end mouseUp

but it prints out the whole text "textOfClickedLine" not the value. How
can I get the value of the "textOfClickedLine" to print out

I don't know what I did wrong Please help me.........

Thank you for you help


From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Mon Jul 11 15:12:06 2005
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 20:12:06 +0100
Subject: PLEASE HELP PLEASE HEP.........
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760969@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760969@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <a05210600bef874d6b992@[192.168.80.101]>

define it as a global, outside of the handlers

global textOfClickedLine

Hope this helps
Dave


>I have this code in the scrolling list field:
>
>global textOfClickedLine
>on mouseUp
>    select the clickLine
>    put the value of the clickLine into textOfClickedLine
>    answer textOfClickedLine
>end mouseUp
>
>It prints the value of the clickline correctly
>
>And then created a button on the same card
>
>And have this code for the button:
>
>on mouseUp
>     answer value(textOfClickedLine)
>end mouseUp
>
>but it prints out the whole text "textOfClickedLine" not the value. How
>can I get the value of the "textOfClickedLine" to print out
>
>I don't know what I did wrong Please help me.........
>
>Thank you for you help
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From revlist at cableone.net  Mon Jul 11 15:20:00 2005
From: revlist at cableone.net (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:20:00 -0600
Subject: PLEASE HELP PLEASE HEP.........
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760969@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760969@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <5827FF61-8D93-4263-82C3-C8E712E35D7D@cableone.net>

Looks like you already have your variable textOfClickedLine set up as  
a global.  All you need to do is declare that same variable as a  
global in your button's script.  Should work how you want it.

Chris


On Jul 11, 2005, at 1:08 PM, Ban Nguyen wrote:

> I have this code in the scrolling list field:
>
> global textOfClickedLine
> on mouseUp
>    select the clickLine
>    put the value of the clickLine into textOfClickedLine
>    answer textOfClickedLine
> end mouseUp
>
> It prints the value of the clickline correctly
>
> And then created a button on the same card
>
> And have this code for the button:
>
> on mouseUp
>     answer value(textOfClickedLine)
> end mouseUp
>
> but it prints out the whole text "textOfClickedLine" not the value.  
> How
> can I get the value of the "textOfClickedLine" to print out
>
> I don't know what I did wrong Please help me.........
>
> Thank you for you help
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------------------------------------------




From bann at sunncomm.com  Mon Jul 11 15:22:20 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:22:20 -0700
Subject: PLEASE HELP PLEASE HEP.........
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E569@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>


It works thank you so much for your help.




-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sheffield
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 12:20 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: PLEASE HELP PLEASE HEP.........

Looks like you already have your variable textOfClickedLine set up as  
a global.  All you need to do is declare that same variable as a  
global in your button's script.  Should work how you want it.

Chris


On Jul 11, 2005, at 1:08 PM, Ban Nguyen wrote:

> I have this code in the scrolling list field:
>
> global textOfClickedLine
> on mouseUp
>    select the clickLine
>    put the value of the clickLine into textOfClickedLine
>    answer textOfClickedLine
> end mouseUp
>
> It prints the value of the clickline correctly
>
> And then created a button on the same card
>
> And have this code for the button:
>
> on mouseUp
>     answer value(textOfClickedLine)
> end mouseUp
>
> but it prints out the whole text "textOfClickedLine" not the value.  
> How
> can I get the value of the "textOfClickedLine" to print out
>
> I don't know what I did wrong Please help me.........
>
> Thank you for you help
> _______________________________________________
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http://www.readnaturally.com
------------------------------------------


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From bann at sunncomm.com  Mon Jul 11 15:22:42 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:22:42 -0700
Subject: Scrolling List field
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E56A@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>


Thank you very much.  It works

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Swindell
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 12:06 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Scrolling List field


On Jul 11, 2005, at 11:16 AM, Ban Nguyen wrote:

> Thanks you for your help.  It works.  How can I transfer the value of
> clickline into a button so when user click on a button then it  
> shows the
> value of clickline

You could put the clickline into a global variable (gClickVar) or  
custom property (clickProp).  When the user clicks on the button the  
value of the variable (or custom property) would show at the location  
of your choosing.


This would go into the field you click on:

On mouseUp
global gClickVar
put the clickline into gClickVar  -- (or)
--set the clickProp of this card to the clickline
End mouseUp


This would go into the Button that places the value of the clickline  
into a second field

On MouseUp
global gClickVar
put value(gClickVar) into field 2 -- or
--put the clickProp of this cd into field 2
end MouseUp

Hope this makes sense.  There are probably other more elegant solutions.

Mark
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From revlist at cableone.net  Mon Jul 11 15:22:39 2005
From: revlist at cableone.net (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:22:39 -0600
Subject: PLEASE HELP PLEASE HEP.........
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760969@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760969@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <166E5492-15C0-4E41-A0CB-F3F6ABF7BFB4@cableone.net>

And no need to use the value() function in your button's script, btw.

On Jul 11, 2005, at 1:08 PM, Ban Nguyen wrote:

> I have this code in the scrolling list field:
>
> global textOfClickedLine
> on mouseUp
>    select the clickLine
>    put the value of the clickLine into textOfClickedLine
>    answer textOfClickedLine
> end mouseUp
>
> It prints the value of the clickline correctly
>
> And then created a button on the same card
>
> And have this code for the button:
>
> on mouseUp
>     answer value(textOfClickedLine)
> end mouseUp
>
> but it prints out the whole text "textOfClickedLine" not the value.  
> How
> can I get the value of the "textOfClickedLine" to print out
>
> I don't know what I did wrong Please help me.........
>
> Thank you for you help
> _______________________________________________
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------------------------------------------




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jul 11 15:45:31 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:45:31 -0500
Subject: Is it ok to go to 2.6
In-Reply-To: <42D2B367.40008@fourthworld.com>
References: <20050711163349.EF15F824A24@mail.runrev.com>	<3CC2E06D-D5E6-4A68-8F25-10F0BD7973B2@mac.com>
	<42D2B367.40008@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <42D2CC5B.5060204@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/11/05 12:59 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Given the critical nature of the Ask/Answer issue (many scripts use "if 
> it is empty then..." which will break with v2.6) I would have thought a 
> v2.6.1 would have been released by now.

The ask/answer fix is included in the current download of 2.6 
(buildnumber 108, I think it is.) Just grab the latest.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From bann at sunncomm.com  Mon Jul 11 16:07:03 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:07:03 -0700
Subject: pause, rew and forwad an audio
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E56B@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>

I use play and stop command to play and stop an audio.  What command do
I need to use to pause, rew and forwad an audio.  How do I control the
volume? Thank you for your help.


From bann at sunncomm.com  Mon Jul 11 16:21:20 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:21:20 -0700
Subject: Scrolling List field please help please help.....
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E56C@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>

Hi Mark
How can I get the next value by clicking on the button and hightlight
that line




-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Swindell
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 12:06 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Scrolling List field


On Jul 11, 2005, at 11:16 AM, Ban Nguyen wrote:

> Thanks you for your help.  It works.  How can I transfer the value of
> clickline into a button so when user click on a button then it  
> shows the
> value of clickline

You could put the clickline into a global variable (gClickVar) or  
custom property (clickProp).  When the user clicks on the button the  
value of the variable (or custom property) would show at the location  
of your choosing.


This would go into the field you click on:

On mouseUp
global gClickVar
put the clickline into gClickVar  -- (or)
--set the clickProp of this card to the clickline
End mouseUp


This would go into the Button that places the value of the clickline  
into a second field

On MouseUp
global gClickVar
put value(gClickVar) into field 2 -- or
--put the clickProp of this cd into field 2
end MouseUp

Hope this makes sense.  There are probably other more elegant solutions.

Mark
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From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Jul 11 16:22:04 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:22:04 -0500
Subject: Is it ok to go to 2.6
In-Reply-To: <42D2CC5B.5060204@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <20050711163349.EF15F824A24@mail.runrev.com>	<3CC2E06D-D5E6-4A68-8F25-10F0BD7973B2@mac.com>	<42D2B367.40008@fourthworld.com>
	<42D2CC5B.5060204@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <42D2D4EC.70903@chipp.com>

Jacque,

If you 'check for updates' will it 'get it' ??

-Chipp

J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 7/11/05 12:59 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
>> Given the critical nature of the Ask/Answer issue (many scripts use 
>> "if it is empty then..." which will break with v2.6) I would have 
>> thought a v2.6.1 would have been released by now.
> 
> 
> The ask/answer fix is included in the current download of 2.6 
> (buildnumber 108, I think it is.) Just grab the latest.
> 



From bann at sunncomm.com  Mon Jul 11 16:27:43 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:27:43 -0700
Subject: select previous and next clickline
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E56D@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>

Hello

What command do you use to select the previous and next clickline in the
scrolling list field.  Thank you



From mdswindell at charter.net  Mon Jul 11 16:29:54 2005
From: mdswindell at charter.net (Mark Swindell)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:29:54 -0700
Subject: Scrolling List field please help please help.....
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E56C@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E56C@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <47030E5B-D0D5-4D7D-87C9-2EB3E8ED8ADC@charter.net>

I'm not sure I understand your question or exactly what you want to  
happen.

Each time you click a new line in field 1, that line replaces what  
was previously in the global variable or custom property. Then,  
clicking the button would place the new text into field 2.

Mark



On Jul 11, 2005, at 1:21 PM, Ban Nguyen wrote:

> Hi Mark
> How can I get the next value by clicking on the button and hightlight
> that line
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Mark
> Swindell
> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 12:06 PM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Scrolling List field
>
>
> On Jul 11, 2005, at 11:16 AM, Ban Nguyen wrote:
>
>
>> Thanks you for your help.  It works.  How can I transfer the value of
>> clickline into a button so when user click on a button then it
>> shows the
>> value of clickline
>>
>
> You could put the clickline into a global variable (gClickVar) or
> custom property (clickProp).  When the user clicks on the button the
> value of the variable (or custom property) would show at the location
> of your choosing.
>
>
> This would go into the field you click on:
>
> On mouseUp
> global gClickVar
> put the clickline into gClickVar  -- (or)
> --set the clickProp of this card to the clickline
> End mouseUp
>
>
> This would go into the Button that places the value of the clickline
> into a second field
>
> On MouseUp
> global gClickVar
> put value(gClickVar) into field 2 -- or
> --put the clickProp of this cd into field 2
> end MouseUp
>
> Hope this makes sense.  There are probably other more elegant  
> solutions.
>
> Mark
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From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Mon Jul 11 16:30:31 2005
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:30:31 -0500
Subject: Record Audio from Internal Speaker
Message-ID: <42D2D6E7.7070609@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Anyone have any idea on how to record audio from the internal speaker of 
a Windows based PC?

I played with this a while ago where I would load a protected mp4 into a 
QuickTime Player object and then I had a button which would begin to 
play the player and record audio that is streaming to the speakers.

I remember that you could do this with HyperCard way back 
when...possible in Rev on Windows now?


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
_______________________________________________
Compress Photos for the Web with JPEGCompress
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/


From bann at sunncomm.com  Mon Jul 11 16:37:49 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:37:49 -0700
Subject: Scrolling List field please help please help.....
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376096A@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>


Hi Mark

I am creating an audio player

I created a scrolling list field contanins a list of audio
I created the button play and stop using this code:

on mouseUp
  global gClickVar
     play audioClip value(gClickVar) looping
end mouseUp

on mouseUp
  global gClickVar
     stop playing audioClip value(gClickVar) 
end mouseUp

I want to create the pause, previous, next buttons
I want use click on the next button, then the next song in the list
should be hightlighted and play

Also same for previous button, plays the previous song

And pause button to stop the song

Could you please help.  Thank you so much



-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Swindell
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 1:30 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Scrolling List field please help please help.....

I'm not sure I understand your question or exactly what you want to  
happen.

Each time you click a new line in field 1, that line replaces what  
was previously in the global variable or custom property. Then,  
clicking the button would place the new text into field 2.

Mark



On Jul 11, 2005, at 1:21 PM, Ban Nguyen wrote:

> Hi Mark
> How can I get the next value by clicking on the button and hightlight
> that line
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Mark
> Swindell
> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 12:06 PM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Scrolling List field
>
>
> On Jul 11, 2005, at 11:16 AM, Ban Nguyen wrote:
>
>
>> Thanks you for your help.  It works.  How can I transfer the value of
>> clickline into a button so when user click on a button then it
>> shows the
>> value of clickline
>>
>
> You could put the clickline into a global variable (gClickVar) or
> custom property (clickProp).  When the user clicks on the button the
> value of the variable (or custom property) would show at the location
> of your choosing.
>
>
> This would go into the field you click on:
>
> On mouseUp
> global gClickVar
> put the clickline into gClickVar  -- (or)
> --set the clickProp of this card to the clickline
> End mouseUp
>
>
> This would go into the Button that places the value of the clickline
> into a second field
>
> On MouseUp
> global gClickVar
> put value(gClickVar) into field 2 -- or
> --put the clickProp of this cd into field 2
> end MouseUp
>
> Hope this makes sense.  There are probably other more elegant  
> solutions.
>
> Mark
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From keith at vortex.co.uk  Mon Jul 11 12:47:27 2005
From: keith at vortex.co.uk (keith)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:47:27 +0100
Subject: Player will not play long file names!
In-Reply-To: <F006BD6A-BB0E-48B3-9451-C25CF8F5EC7A@runrev.com>
References: <BEEC0C6D.1B8B8%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<F006BD6A-BB0E-48B3-9451-C25CF8F5EC7A@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p06230901bef84f5c6833@[10.1.23.247]>

Scott, thanks for the info. I looked up the exchange you mentioned:


>>>As a work-around for this at the moment, try setting the filename of
>>>a player to a *real* file URL:
>>>  e.g. file:///Volumes/Primary/Users/mark/Desktop/
>>>mask_with_a_really_really_really_long_filename.tiff

>>I've got a bunch of audio
>>files with long names and spaces in the their names.  I've tried setting the
>>fileNames to straight filenames, URLencoded filenames, etc, using URL forms
>>"file:" and "binfile:" and nothing seems to work.

>If you do
>   replace space with "%20" in tURL
>then you should get the desired result. (i.e. don't urlEncode)


So is this space-replacement trick a requirement in Rev 2.6 when 
dealing with long filenames? Mark, any news on when this might go in 
the future, if this is just for the moment?

k


From dsquance at elkvalley.net  Mon Jul 11 17:19:48 2005
From: dsquance at elkvalley.net (David Squance)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:19:48 -0600
Subject: select previous and next clickline
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E56D@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E56D@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <42D2E274.1080203@elkvalley.net>

Ban Nguyen wrote:

>Hello
>
>What command do you use to select the previous and next clickline in the
>scrolling list field.  Thank you
>  
>
I think what you're looking for is 'word 2 of the clickline'. When you 
evaluate 'the clickline' (eg type 'put the clickline' so that the msg 
box opens and 'the clickline' appears in it), you will see 'line x of 
field y' where x is the line number and y is the field number. Word 2 of 
the click line is the line number, so your mouseup handler would need to 
include a global variable to which word 2 of the clickline is assigned. 
Then the previous button would subtract 1 from that variable and do 
whatever to that line. Similarly, the next button would add 1 to the 
variable.

I'm afraid I've lost your last post, so can't put example lines into 
your script to illustrate, but hope this helps.
Dave


From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Mon Jul 11 17:32:20 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:32:20 -0400
Subject: false anti-alarm
In-Reply-To: <BFCF3235-E296-4DD3-8A2E-D851D3345D59@conncoll.edu>
References: <6EC9FC2D-F29E-4A41-A3AF-E814C3228AB4@conncoll.edu>
	<EEB3821F-D607-4A3E-8770-B49594276CA8@conncoll.edu>
	<42D23342.8050909@ehug.info>
	<BFCF3235-E296-4DD3-8A2E-D851D3345D59@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <015C045B-D6D7-4872-AF14-9479E7C27AA8@conncoll.edu>

OK, I've figured out the workaround. Rev will screw up the fonts in  
_substacks_ when the default font of the main stack is changed**,  
UNLESS the substack has a non-empty textFont, not just an effective  
textfont, before you change the default/owner's/stack font in the  
main stack.

The solution is to put into a preOpenStack handler in the MAIN stack  
a line like this:
     set the textfont of stack "My Substack" to the effective  
textfont of stack "My Substack"
(It's possible to do this for multiple substacks by building a list  
of them.)

What a waste of a day.

Charles Hartman

** And I do mean screw up. Here's what Rev whimsically does. When the  
textfont of a main stack is changed -- right at that moment, as far  
as I can tell -- Rev goes through the substack inserting font tags  
that specify the main stack's PREVIOUS textFont. Each tag extends  
from just before the first _style_ change in the field's text, until  
the end of that paragraph (marked by a </p>).



From bann at sunncomm.com  Mon Jul 11 18:02:27 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:02:27 -0700
Subject: select previous and next clickline
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E56F@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>


Thank you David.  It helps me a lot....

By the way.  How can I create a volume control to control a song? And I
would like to create a progress bar for an audio.  You have any idea?
Thank you




-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of David
Squance
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 2:20 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: select previous and next clickline

Ban Nguyen wrote:

>Hello
>
>What command do you use to select the previous and next clickline in
the
>scrolling list field.  Thank you
>  
>
I think what you're looking for is 'word 2 of the clickline'. When you 
evaluate 'the clickline' (eg type 'put the clickline' so that the msg 
box opens and 'the clickline' appears in it), you will see 'line x of 
field y' where x is the line number and y is the field number. Word 2 of

the click line is the line number, so your mouseup handler would need to

include a global variable to which word 2 of the clickline is assigned. 
Then the previous button would subtract 1 from that variable and do 
whatever to that line. Similarly, the next button would add 1 to the 
variable.

I'm afraid I've lost your last post, so can't put example lines into 
your script to illustrate, but hope this helps.
Dave
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From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Jul 11 18:08:58 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:08:58 +0100
Subject: Building a library with functions with callbacks 
Message-ID: <42D2EDFA.3000104@tweedly.net>


I'm sure I've done this before, but can't remember where, and can't 
figure out how to do it again.
Sigh :-(      Another CRAFT day :-)

I want to build a library where some of the functions in it have 
parameters which are callbacks;
   agtMyFunction pData, pCallBackMessage

the functions will return immediately, and later when the right 
circumstances exist, the library will send pCallBackMessage to the 
object which called the library.
(i.e. just like the callbacks on the socket library).

How do you find which object *called* the library ?  (not "target()" - 
that's the object that originally received a message - if its script has 
called a handler in, say, the card script and that calls the library, 
then I need to find the card, not the original object)

Thanks

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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Jul 11 18:43:59 2005
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:43:59 -0700
Subject: Building a library with functions with callbacks 
In-Reply-To: <42D2EDFA.3000104@tweedly.net>
References: <42D2EDFA.3000104@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <259825A9-19D9-4536-B502-F36905DE5F4C@mangomultimedia.com>

On Jul 11, 2005, at 3:08 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
>
> I'm sure I've done this before, but can't remember where, and can't  
> figure out how to do it again.
> Sigh :-(      Another CRAFT day :-)
>
> I want to build a library where some of the functions in it have  
> parameters which are callbacks;
>   agtMyFunction pData, pCallBackMessage
>
> the functions will return immediately, and later when the right  
> circumstances exist, the library will send pCallBackMessage to the  
> object which called the library.
> (i.e. just like the callbacks on the socket library).
>
> How do you find which object *called* the library ?  (not "target 
> ()" - that's the object that originally received a message - if its  
> script has called a handler in, say, the card script and that calls  
> the library, then I need to find the card, not the original object)

Would executionContexts work in this case?


-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Multimedia
trevor at mangomultimedia.com



From mark at maseurope.net  Mon Jul 11 18:47:06 2005
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:47:06 +0100
Subject: Building a library with functions with callbacks
Message-ID: <fcf25b87c44ec1f5ff6fd74aa342601a@maseurope.net>

I'd imagine that you'd have to include a third parameter - the long 
name of the fld, cd, stack or whatever that called the function ie. the 
long name of me:


Mark


---------------------------
Alex Tweedly wrote:

I'm sure I've done this before, but can't remember where, and can't
figure out how to do it again.
Sigh :-(      Another CRAFT day :-)

I want to build a library where some of the functions in it have
parameters which are callbacks;
    agtMyFunction pData, pCallBackMessage

the functions will return immediately, and later when the right
circumstances exist, the library will send pCallBackMessage to the
object which called the library.
(i.e. just like the callbacks on the socket library).

How do you find which object *called* the library ?  (not "target()" -
that's the object that originally received a message - if its script has
called a handler in, say, the card script and that calls the library,
then I need to find the card, not the original object)

Thanks

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From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Mon Jul 11 18:52:26 2005
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:52:26 +0100
Subject: Building a library with functions with callbacks 
In-Reply-To: <42D2EDFA.3000104@tweedly.net>
References: <42D2EDFA.3000104@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <BB781400-8EA6-458D-9334-D1C66E5BA4A3@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 11 Jul 2005, at 23:08, Alex Tweedly wrote:

>
> I'm sure I've done this before, but can't remember where, and can't  
> figure out how to do it again.
> Sigh :-(      Another CRAFT day :-)
>
> I want to build a library where some of the functions in it have  
> parameters which are callbacks;
>   agtMyFunction pData, pCallBackMessage
>
> the functions will return immediately, and later when the right  
> circumstances exist, the library will send pCallBackMessage to the  
> object which called the library.
> (i.e. just like the callbacks on the socket library).
>
> How do you find which object *called* the library ?  (not "target 
> ()" - that's the object that originally received a message - if its  
> script has called a handler in, say, the card script and that calls  
> the library, then I need to find the card, not the original object)
>

The target will probably work if (using your card script example) the  
target object calls the card script handler using the normal message  
hierachy. So if the callback is sent from the library to the target,  
and there is no handler in the target, it will pass to the card.


Otherwise, I think you have to specify in a parameter the object  
where the handler is.

CRAFT ? I had to look this up because I couldn't remember what it  
stood for. :-)

Cheers
Dave



From revdan at danshafer.com  Mon Jul 11 18:59:59 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:59:59 -0700
Subject: Is it ok to go to 2.6
In-Reply-To: <42D2D4EC.70903@chipp.com>
References: <20050711163349.EF15F824A24@mail.runrev.com>	<3CC2E06D-D5E6-4A68-8F25-10F0BD7973B2@mac.com>	<42D2B367.40008@fourthworld.com>
	<42D2CC5B.5060204@hyperactivesw.com> <42D2D4EC.70903@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <CDC741AC-CED5-4AC8-A495-E435CFABBFDB@danshafer.com>

Seems like it will. That's all I did and the ask/answer problem  
disappeared for me.

Dan

On Jul 11, 2005, at 1:22 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Jacque,
>
> If you 'check for updates' will it 'get it' ??
>
> -Chipp
>
> J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>> On 7/11/05 12:59 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>
>>> Given the critical nature of the Ask/Answer issue (many scripts  
>>> use "if it is empty then..." which will break with v2.6) I would  
>>> have thought a v2.6.1 would have been released by now.
>>>
>> The ask/answer fix is included in the current download of 2.6  
>> (buildnumber 108, I think it is.) Just grab the latest.
>>
>
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From bann at sunncomm.com  Mon Jul 11 19:12:58 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:12:58 -0700
Subject: how to play video on a card?
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E570@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>

I have 3 .wmv files.  I want them to play on a card by selecting one by
one at a time.  Anyone know how to implement this.  Thank you


From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 11 19:31:34 2005
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (Erik Hansen)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:31:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: different UI approach
In-Reply-To: <42D19FD2.7050600@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <20050711233134.1735.qmail@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



--- Chipp Walters <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:

> My inclination is to agree with you, Dan, 

agree with the agreement, but...

it -felt- good.

Erik Hansen

erik at erikhansen.org    http://www.erikhansen.org

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From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Jul 11 19:34:33 2005
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:34:33 -0600
Subject: Building a library with functions with callbacks 
In-Reply-To: <42D2EDFA.3000104@tweedly.net>
References: <42D2EDFA.3000104@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <1690d3511527f6079bb0bb623ceacf00@swcp.com>


On Jul 11, 2005, at 4:08 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> I want to build a library where some of the functions in it have 
> parameters which are callbacks;
>   agtMyFunction pData, pCallBackMessage

You can pass 'the long id of me' as an extra parameter.

If that is empty, you can use 'the target'.  That will work 95% of the 
time and is annoying the other 5%.  I think libURL uses that.

You can create a "callback value" that you pass, that includes the 
handler name and the object long id.

Often, you want to call a handler of a specific name and you need only 
pass the long id of the object.

You can vote for the enhancement in bugzilla to add a function to get 
this:  #1954.  Hmmm.  My search came up with 1243 and 2839, too.  Dups, 
maybe.

Your can write your own function to get the object of the caller using 
the executionContexts property.  The property is not supported, so I'd 
encourage the wrapper incase it changes.

Dar

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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jul 11 19:46:28 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:46:28 -0500
Subject: Is it ok to go to 2.6
In-Reply-To: <42D2D4EC.70903@chipp.com>
References: <20050711163349.EF15F824A24@mail.runrev.com>	<3CC2E06D-D5E6-4A68-8F25-10F0BD7973B2@mac.com>	<42D2B367.40008@fourthworld.com>
	<42D2CC5B.5060204@hyperactivesw.com> <42D2D4EC.70903@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <42D304D4.5030501@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/11/05 3:22 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

 > Jacque,
 >
 > If you 'check for updates' will it 'get it' ??

It should, now that RR has fixed the update checker on the server.

 >
 > -Chipp
 >
 > J. Landman Gay wrote:
 >
 >> On 7/11/05 12:59 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >>
 >>> Given the critical nature of the Ask/Answer issue (many scripts use
 >>> "if it is empty then..." which will break with v2.6) I would have
 >>> thought a v2.6.1 would have been released by now.
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> The ask/answer fix is included in the current download of 2.6
 >> (buildnumber 108, I think it is.) Just grab the latest.


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From SimPLsol at aol.com  Mon Jul 11 20:05:57 2005
From: SimPLsol at aol.com (SimPLsol at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 20:05:57 EDT
Subject: select previous and next clickline
Message-ID: <12f.60f5c470.30046365@aol.com>


In a message dated 7/11/05 3:02:59 PM, bann at sunncomm.com writes:


> 
> _______________________________________________
> 

Beware of a clickLine "anomaly"; if you click on an empty line that is below 
non-empty lines; for example: click on line 7 of a field with only 4 lines and 
the clickLine returns 4, instead of 7; clicking in a scrolling field with now 
text returns zero.
Paul Looney


From bann at sunncomm.com  Mon Jul 11 20:08:31 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:08:31 -0700
Subject: play videoClip "nameOfVideo" does not work, Please help
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E571@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>

I create a button name "play"
I put this script on button:
on mouseUp
   play videoClip "MENTORS" at 100,100
end mouseUp

It did not work.  Please help me, thank you


From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Jul 11 20:13:42 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 01:13:42 +0100
Subject: Building a library with functions with callbacks
In-Reply-To: <1690d3511527f6079bb0bb623ceacf00@swcp.com>
References: <42D2EDFA.3000104@tweedly.net>
	<1690d3511527f6079bb0bb623ceacf00@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <42D30B36.3030402@tweedly.net>

Dar Scott wrote:

>
> On Jul 11, 2005, at 4:08 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
>
>> I want to build a library where some of the functions in it have 
>> parameters which are callbacks;
>>   agtMyFunction pData, pCallBackMessage
>
> You can pass 'the long id of me' as an extra parameter.

Ick.

> If that is empty, you can use 'the target'.  That will work 95% of the 
> time and is annoying the other 5%.  I think libURL uses that.

Ugh.

> You can create a "callback value" that you pass, that includes the 
> handler name and the object long id.
>
Oh if only we had macros :-)   (I'm joking ...but they would actually 
help in this case)

> Often, you want to call a handler of a specific name and you need only 
> pass the long id of the object.

I guess I'll use a wrapper around executionContexts.

> You can vote for the enhancement in bugzilla to add a function to get 
> this:  #1954.  Hmmm.  My search came up with 1243 and 2839, too.  
> Dups, maybe.
>
I prefer to use the "original" (i.e. lowest numbered) out of a set of 
dups - but 1243 has already been rejected as "not a bug", so I'll leave 
it alone, and instead I added my votes to #1954. I wish there was a way 
to get the votes on 1243 and 2839 moved over to 1954, so there was a 
more accurate count.

> Your can write your own function to get the object of the caller using 
> the executionContexts property.  The property is not supported, so I'd 
> encourage the wrapper incase it changes.
>
will do - thanks.

Dave Cragg wrote:

> The target will probably work if (using your card script example) the  
> target object calls the card script handler using the normal message  
> hierachy. So if the callback is sent from the library to the target,  
> and there is no handler in the target, it will pass to the card.

Hmmm - but there could be a handler in the target object with the same 
name - and much mayhem would ensue.

(Thanks Mark and Trevor also). I dislike having an extra parameter, so 
I'm going to go with executionContexts inside a wrapper - maybe I'll 
call it revCallerID and hope I get lucky in the future :-)

Actually, I'd really like to have the syntax of "socket" functions 
extended to user-defined functions
    callMyHandler value with message <callback>
I really like Transcipt's neo-English style - just wish it could be used 
for user-defined handlers like it can for built in ones.

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From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Jul 11 21:08:06 2005
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:08:06 -0600
Subject: Building a library with functions with callbacks
In-Reply-To: <42D30B36.3030402@tweedly.net>
References: <42D2EDFA.3000104@tweedly.net>
	<1690d3511527f6079bb0bb623ceacf00@swcp.com>
	<42D30B36.3030402@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <26b8b71da064892abeb7d44eff41c653@swcp.com>


On Jul 11, 2005, at 6:13 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> Actually, I'd really like to have the syntax of "socket" functions 
> extended to user-defined functions
>    callMyHandler value with message <callback>
> I really like Transcipt's neo-English style - just wish it could be 
> used for user-defined handlers like it can for built in ones.

Do you mean that you would like to add syntax words in handler 
definitions?

Like this:

on callMyHandler v "with message" callback

Or do you mean that any custom command invocation can have the 
with-message phrase added to the end and the handler itself can get it 
with some function like getCallbackParam()?

Like this:

on callMyHandler v
   -- ...
   get getCallbackParam()
   -- ...
end callMyHandler

on mouseUp
    callMyHandler 23 with message "doWhenDone"
end mouseUp

(Maybe some sort of send that doesn't need the handler name and object 
reference to be separated would be nice.)

Dar

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From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Jul 11 21:11:49 2005
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:11:49 -0600
Subject: Building a library with functions with callbacks
In-Reply-To: <42D30B36.3030402@tweedly.net>
References: <42D2EDFA.3000104@tweedly.net>
	<1690d3511527f6079bb0bb623ceacf00@swcp.com>
	<42D30B36.3030402@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <40eb1d55e2a8aff25995a44fd21af14e@swcp.com>


On Jul 11, 2005, at 6:13 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

>> You can vote for the enhancement in bugzilla to add a function to get 
>> this:  #1954.  Hmmm.  My search came up with 1243 and 2839, too.  
>> Dups, maybe.
>>
> I prefer to use the "original" (i.e. lowest numbered) out of a set of 
> dups - but 1243 has already been rejected as "not a bug", so I'll 
> leave it alone, and instead I added my votes to #1954. I wish there 
> was a way to get the votes on 1243 and 2839 moved over to 1954, so 
> there was a more accurate count.

Bad news.  The dup was mine.  I must have neglected to do the search 
and had also forgotten I made made an earlier suggession.

So, the votes won't add up to what they were.

Dar

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From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Mon Jul 11 21:34:09 2005
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:34:09 -0700
Subject: Buggy debugger?
Message-ID: <p06200700bef8cbd78c79@[10.0.1.2]>

I still can't figure out whether I'm doing something wrong when I try 
to use the debugger, or if there is something wrong with the 
debugger. Eric suggested there's a flaw in the debugger, but his 
comment was ambiguous. I'm on version 2.5.1 in OS X. If there is a 
problem with the debugger, I'd like to know if it's been fixed in 
version 2.6.

I should mention that I've used hyperCard's debugger many times over 
the years, in a variety of ways, with no problems at all. "Step into" 
and "step over" and all of that are all familiar. So are the message 
watcher and the variable watcher. Rev's debugger looks quite similar, 
but I can't get it to work.

I described the details in a previous message, but I didn't get a 
reply. That's probably because I should ask only one question per 
thread. Anyway, the newbie thread pumped up my courage, so I'm asking 
again.

The details of my debugger frustration, previously described:

>It works fine on, for example, a simple mouseUp script in a simple 
>button. However, if the button sends a message to a handler in a 
>stack script (for instance), which then sends another message to 
>another handler, nested or not, the debugger won't follow along. 
>"Script debug mode" is definitely turned on. Step Into, etc., are 
>absent and/or dimmed out, typically. Sometimes, I can see the script 
>window open, several windows back, but I can't get to it until the 
>script is done executing. I've tried setting multiple breakpoints in 
>each handler, tried setting breakpoints by script. The script rolls 
>right past them.

Just a brief reply will do. Drop me a hint and I can probably figure 
out the rest.

Thanks in advance,


Tim







From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Mon Jul 11 21:37:05 2005
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:37:05 -0400
Subject: Record Audio from Internal Speaker
In-Reply-To: <42D2D6E7.7070609@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <BEF89701.D242%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

With soundbed and soundflower which I believe have windows verisions.
Soundbed redirects audio to wherever you want it.


On 7/11/05 4:30 PM, "Derek Bump" <webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com> wrote:

> Anyone have any idea on how to record audio from the internal speaker of
> a Windows based PC?
> 
> I played with this a while ago where I would load a protected mp4 into a
> QuickTime Player object and then I had a button which would begin to
> play the player and record audio that is streaming to the speakers.
> 
> I remember that you could do this with HyperCard way back
> when...possible in Rev on Windows now?
> 
> 
> Derek Bump
> Dreamscape Software
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From katir at hindu.org  Mon Jul 11 21:57:32 2005
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:57:32 -1000
Subject: control and option keys not working on Tiger with 2.6?
In-Reply-To: <DBD5C6D4-F45D-468C-9C51-667140520CB9@hindu.org>
References: <843607E7-AA1F-4824-8CE8-D5B5A43F9302@hindu.org>
	<8D5FAA90-0D2A-499F-97DA-9C864CF66D67@genesearch.com.au>
	<DBD5C6D4-F45D-468C-9C51-667140520CB9@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <E41A47C7-8E9C-40DF-BFE3-E43CC8A1D072@hindu.org>

OK, it's OSX... I shut down.. rebooted with cmd-S ran fsck -fy ...  
twice... there were some errors... now the option key and control  
work in Rev.

Question remains though, why they worked in other apps and not in Rev.

but all's well now.

skts

On Jul 11, 2005, at 7:52 AM, Sivakatirswami wrote:

> Sarah:
>
> That's a good clean simple test... and it fails here... All I get  
> is Up or Down regardless of what other keys are pressed.
>
> I don't know if I have any front scripts loaded.. I don't think I  
> do... how does one wipe out front scripts
>
> [time passes as he changes this script to put the response into a  
> field and then boot the stack  from a splash player standalone so  
> the IDE is not loaded]
>
> .....nope, still not go... running from a Player with no IDE  
> loaded... I'm getting nothing...
>
> something in my system? I better test in some other apps.. he quits  
> rev...opens mail.app.. .all option and cmd-option keys are working
>
> open BBEdit... open doc... control key strokes are trapped and  
> implemented as expected..
>
> mmm dunno now... my bluetooth keyboard is not interfering.. if I  
> unplug everything and reboot my machine and do it from the real  
> keyboard.. still not go... option key and control key not trapped  
> by rev
>
> sigh... this will be a tough one to sort out.
>
> skts
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 10, 2005, at 2:03 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>
>
>> Using Tiger (10.4.1) & Rev 2.6, I made a new stack, with nothing  
>> in it except this card script:
>>
>> on mouseDown
>>   if controlkey()="Down" then
>>     put "Down + control"
>>   else
>>     put "Down"
>>   end if
>> end mouseDown
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>   if optionkey()="Down" then
>>     put "Up + option"
>>   else
>>     put "Up"
>>   end if
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> It worked exactly as I expected, so i think you may have something  
>> else causing your problem. Do you have any frontScripts that could  
>> be intercepting the keys?
>>
>> Sarah
>>
>>
>
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From revdan at danshafer.com  Mon Jul 11 22:01:54 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:01:54 -0700
Subject: pause, rew and forwad an audio
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E56B@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E56B@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <996758C1-CC4C-418C-A4D6-CB9A4FC700F6@danshafer.com>

Assuming you are using a QuickTime Player object to do this work, you  
can use the following properties to control pause and loudness:

set the playLoudness of player "foo" to 0
set the paused of player "foo" to true (and false to un-pause)

However, Rev does not include any commands to place the playback head  
where you want it. Trevor DeVore of Mango Multimedia, who hangs out  
here, wrote an external for Rev to provide better interaction with QT  
movies but a quick perusal of the version I have doesn't include  
implementation of rewind or fast forward (i.e., frame-specific  
positioning) as far as I can tell.

Dan

On Jul 11, 2005, at 1:07 PM, Ban Nguyen wrote:

> I use play and stop command to play and stop an audio.  What  
> command do
> I need to use to pause, rew and forwad an audio.  How do I control the
> volume? Thank you for your help.
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From revdan at danshafer.com  Mon Jul 11 22:07:27 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:07:27 -0700
Subject: Buggy debugger?
In-Reply-To: <p06200700bef8cbd78c79@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <p06200700bef8cbd78c79@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <3B560E92-3D1C-4B8F-83A9-2F05D955C906@danshafer.com>

Timothy.....

I can only report that this same kind of debugging works just fine  
and as expected for me running Rev 2.6.1 on OS X 10.4. I don't recall  
any problem like the one you're describing in earlier versions of Rev  
but I may have missed something.

The factthat the debug buttons are "absent and/or dimmed out"  
suggests to me that further investigation on your part to reveal when  
they are missing and when they are present but inactive. There may be  
a clue in there somewhere.

Dan'
On Jul 11, 2005, at 6:34 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:

> I still can't figure out whether I'm doing something wrong when I  
> try to use the debugger, or if there is something wrong with the  
> debugger.
>
>> It works fine on, for example, a simple mouseUp script in a simple  
>> button. However, if the button sends a message to a handler in a  
>> stack script (for instance), which then sends another message to  
>> another handler, nested or not, the debugger won't follow along.  
>> "Script debug mode" is definitely turned on. Step Into, etc., are  
>> absent and/or dimmed out, typically. Sometimes, I can see the  
>> script window open, several windows back, but I can't get to it  
>> until the script is done executing. I've tried setting multiple  
>> breakpoints in each handler, tried setting breakpoints by script.  
>> The script rolls right past them.
>>
>



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Jul 11 22:12:41 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:12:41 -0700
Subject: Building a library with functions with callbacks
In-Reply-To: <1690d3511527f6079bb0bb623ceacf00@swcp.com>
References: <42D2EDFA.3000104@tweedly.net>
	<1690d3511527f6079bb0bb623ceacf00@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <938192027.20050711191241@ahsoftware.net>

Dar-

Monday, July 11, 2005, 4:34:33 PM, you wrote:

DS> Your can write your own function to get the object of the caller using
DS> the executionContexts property.  The property is not supported, so I'd
DS> encourage the wrapper incase it changes.

"executionContexts" is one of my few exceptions to my rule about
staying away from unsupported things. If we get a new debugger then
all that may change, but there's really no other workaround in a lot
of cases.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From katir at hindu.org  Mon Jul 11 22:10:49 2005
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:10:49 -1000
Subject: Spell Checkers Revisited
Message-ID: <0841DF07-E4D4-4905-A68A-4EF2B90E4D81@hindu.org>

I need to get an on-board spell check going asap for one of my  
apps... before I take Hugh Senior's stack and start re-working it for  
this specific use... I'd like to check if someone has already done this:

This spell checker wants to just do one thing: check all the words in  
a single field, against a stardard dictionary *and* a user dictionary  
with special words (foreign Sanskrit, "proprietary" terms etc.)   
highlight that word, give user the option to "learn" or replace with  
a suggestion.

Anyone have anything already functional along these lines?

Sivakatirswami



From katir at hindu.org  Mon Jul 11 22:13:16 2005
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:13:16 -1000
Subject: Dreamcard Spell Check
In-Reply-To: <42C5C778.60500@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <890e3d2605070113392a57d4f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<42C5C778.60500@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <040536D4-A731-4843-916A-135AFEB919B4@hindu.org>

Derek... any news on your spell checker plugin?

Sivakatirswami

On Jul 01, 2005, at 12:45 PM, Derek Bump wrote:

> Douglas Gilliland wrote:
>
>> I'm new to Revolution and can't find a spell check built into the
>> program. Any suggestions other than purchasing a spell check program?
>> I'm working on a G4 PowerBook, and Tiger's  built-in spell check
>> doesn't work.
>>
>
> Doug,
>
> At the moment I am working on a Spell Checker Plugin for Revolution  
> and Dreamcard.  It includes current dictionary(s) and checks the  
> spelling of button/field labels as well as field contents.
>
> Give me a few days, I'll get back to work on it, and maybe I'll  
> have something for you and everyone else.
>
>
> Derek Bump
> Dreamscape Software
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Jul 11 22:23:29 2005
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:23:29 -0700
Subject: pause, rew and forwad an audio
In-Reply-To: <996758C1-CC4C-418C-A4D6-CB9A4FC700F6@danshafer.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E56B@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
	<996758C1-CC4C-418C-A4D6-CB9A4FC700F6@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <AA39CCF8-5493-45C8-9153-26628EA57545@mangomultimedia.com>

On Jul 11, 2005, at 7:01 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:

> Assuming you are using a QuickTime Player object to do this work,  
> you can use the following properties to control pause and loudness:
>
> set the playLoudness of player "foo" to 0
> set the paused of player "foo" to true (and false to un-pause)
>
> However, Rev does not include any commands to place the playback  
> head where you want it. Trevor DeVore of Mango Multimedia, who  
> hangs out here, wrote an external for Rev to provide better  
> interaction with QT movies but a quick perusal of the version I  
> have doesn't include implementation of rewind or fast forward  
> (i.e., frame-specific positioning) as far as I can tell.

currentTime will set the playhead wherever you want.  Set the  
playRate to any number below 1 to rewind, above 1 to fast forward.   
For example, a playRate of 2 will fast forward at double the normal  
speed of playback.


-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Multimedia
trevor at mangomultimedia.com



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Jul 11 22:38:48 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:38:48 -0700
Subject: Buggy debugger?
In-Reply-To: <p06200700bef8cbd78c79@[10\.0\.1\.2]>
References: <p06200700bef8cbd78c79@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <10139758900.20050711193848@ahsoftware.net>

Timothy-

Monday, July 11, 2005, 6:34:09 PM, you wrote:

TM> The details of my debugger frustration, previously described:

>>It works fine on, for example, a simple mouseUp script in a simple 
>>button. However, if the button sends a message to a handler in a 
>>stack script (for instance), which then sends another message to 
>>another handler, nested or not, the debugger won't follow along. 
>>"Script debug mode" is definitely turned on. Step Into, etc., are 
>>absent and/or dimmed out, typically. Sometimes, I can see the script
>>window open, several windows back, but I can't get to it until the 
>>script is done executing. I've tried setting multiple breakpoints in
>>each handler, tried setting breakpoints by script. The script rolls 
>>right past them.

It's not clear to me whether you're using "send" in the sense of
messages passing down the object hierarchy or in the sense of the
"send" command. If you're just invoking handlers in other scripts,
then the debugger should work the way you expect it to. If you're
using the "send" command, then "step into" will not follow through the
send. However, a breakpoint in the handler that receives the send will
most definitely break the way it should. i.e.,

-- button "abc" script
on mouseUp
  send "mouseUp" to button "xyz"
end mouseUp

-- button "xyz" script
on mouseUp
  put "hello, bucko" into msg
end mouseUp

Placing a breakpoint in the button "xyz" mouseUp handler will break
into the debugger, as expected. However, placing a breakpoint *only*
in button "abc" and pressing "step into" will not place you in the
script of button "xyz", but will instead act as if "run" had been
pressed. I could have sworn this had been BZ'd, but I couldn't find it
so it's now been entered as BZ #2996.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Mon Jul 11 22:38:42 2005
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:38:42 -0500
Subject: Dreamcard Spell Check
In-Reply-To: <040536D4-A731-4843-916A-135AFEB919B4@hindu.org>
References: <890e3d2605070113392a57d4f5@mail.gmail.com>	<42C5C778.60500@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<040536D4-A731-4843-916A-135AFEB919B4@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <42D32D32.1070207@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Sivakatirswami wrote:
> Derek... any news on your spell checker plugin?

Sorry, was taken away from that project.  I'll send you what I've got in 
the morning.  And yes, it does all that you want it to do.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
_______________________________________________
Compress Photos for the Web with JPEGCompress
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/



From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Mon Jul 11 22:41:52 2005
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:41:52 -0700
Subject: Buggy debugger?
In-Reply-To: <3B560E92-3D1C-4B8F-83A9-2F05D955C906@danshafer.com>
References: <p06200700bef8cbd78c79@[10.0.1.2]>
	<3B560E92-3D1C-4B8F-83A9-2F05D955C906@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <p06200702bef8dc3e6478@[10.0.1.2]>

>Timothy.....
>
>I can only report that this same kind of debugging works just fine 
>and as expected for me running Rev 2.6.1 on OS X 10.4. I don't 
>recall any problem like the one you're describing in earlier 
>versions of Rev but I may have missed something.
>
>The factthat the debug buttons are "absent and/or dimmed out" 
>suggests to me that further investigation on your part to reveal 
>when they are missing and when they are present but inactive. There 
>may be a clue in there somewhere.
>
>Dan'


Thanks Dan,

I could have been clearer.

The debug buttons are present at the bottom of the script window 
whenever I can bet the debugger to work. The corresponding items are 
also present in the debugger dropdown menu at those times.

When I can't get the debugger to work, no debug buttons appear at the 
bottom of the script window, and the corresponding menu items are 
dimmed out in the debug dropdown menu.

In the quoted passage below, I describe when the debugger works for 
me, and when it doesn't.

I hope this additional information will help you help me. I'd sure 
like to be able to use the debugger. I'm probably just overlooking 
some detail that's a little different in Rev.

I've been working around the problem by scattering "answer" commands, 
with variable values, throughout suspect parts of scripts, and 
gradually isolating the script problem. It's tedious, but at least it 
works.

Tim

>On Jul 11, 2005, at 6:34 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:
>
>>I still can't figure out whether I'm doing something wrong when I 
>>try to use the debugger, or if there is something wrong with the 
>>debugger.
>>
>>>It works fine on, for example, a simple mouseUp script in a simple 
>>>button. However, if the button sends a message to a handler in a 
>>>stack script (for instance), which then sends another message to 
>>>another handler, nested or not, the debugger won't follow along. 
>>>"Script debug mode" is definitely turned on. Step Into, etc., are 
>>>absent and/or dimmed out, typically. Sometimes, I can see the 
>>>script window open, several windows back, but I can't get to it 
>>>until the script is done executing. I've tried setting multiple 
>>>breakpoints in each handler, tried setting breakpoints by script. 
>>>The script rolls right past them.
>>>
>>
>
>


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jul 11 22:43:19 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:43:19 -0500
Subject: control and option keys not working on Tiger with 2.6?
In-Reply-To: <E41A47C7-8E9C-40DF-BFE3-E43CC8A1D072@hindu.org>
References: <843607E7-AA1F-4824-8CE8-D5B5A43F9302@hindu.org>	<8D5FAA90-0D2A-499F-97DA-9C864CF66D67@genesearch.com.au>	<DBD5C6D4-F45D-468C-9C51-667140520CB9@hindu.org>
	<E41A47C7-8E9C-40DF-BFE3-E43CC8A1D072@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <42D32E47.6040505@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/11/05 8:57 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote:

> OK, it's OSX... I shut down.. rebooted with cmd-S ran fsck -fy ...  
> twice... there were some errors... now the option key and control  work 
> in Rev.
> 
> Question remains though, why they worked in other apps and not in Rev.

I'm not sure why other apps work, but the "what's new" that ships with 
Rev has this in it:

Issue:  On OS X systems, the "controlKey" and "optionKey" functions 
occasionally return false even if the keys are being pressed. This issue 
is an OS problem.
Workaround:  Log out of OS X, then log back in. This clears the key 
detection.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jul 11 22:46:15 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:46:15 -0500
Subject: Buggy debugger?
In-Reply-To: <p06200700bef8cbd78c79@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <p06200700bef8cbd78c79@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <42D32EF7.4060800@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/11/05 8:34 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:

> The details of my debugger frustration, previously described:
> 
>> It works fine on, for example, a simple mouseUp script in a simple 
>> button. However, if the button sends a message to a handler in a stack 
>> script (for instance), which then sends another message to another 
>> handler, nested or not, the debugger won't follow along. "Script debug 
>> mode" is definitely turned on. Step Into, etc., are absent and/or 
>> dimmed out, typically. Sometimes, I can see the script window open, 
>> several windows back, but I can't get to it until the script is done 
>> executing. I've tried setting multiple breakpoints in each handler, 
>> tried setting breakpoints by script. The script rolls right past them.

I think Eric mentioned this after you wrote last time, but the debugger 
doesn't track "send to" messages. It tracks everything else, but if you 
"send" a handler to another object the debugger won't follow along.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Mon Jul 11 23:14:42 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:14:42 +1000
Subject: select previous and next clickline
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E56D@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E56D@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <901C760D-8C05-4B48-88BF-602C95DA3996@genesearch.com.au>

> What command do you use to select the previous and next clickline  
> in the
> scrolling list field.  Thank you

Instead of tracking the clickLine in a global, you might do better to  
have your button get the hilitedLines of the list field. If you allow  
multiple selections, this will be a comma-delimited list of line  
numbers. If you only allow a single line to be selected at a time,  
this will be a single line number.

As well as using this line number to play the current track, you can  
also use it to move up & down the list. Here is an example script for  
a "Previous" button:

on mouseUp
   put the hilitedLine of fld "List" into tLineNum
   if tLineNum > 1 then
     set the hilitedLine of fld "List" to tLineNum - 1
     -- do whatever you want to do when the previous line is selected
   end if
end mouseUp

This assumes you only allow a single selection at a time.
The "Next" script will be much the same, except it needs to check for  
trying to select more lines than the field holds.

Sarah



From revdan at danshafer.com  Mon Jul 11 23:36:08 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 20:36:08 -0700
Subject: pause, rew and forwad an audio
In-Reply-To: <AA39CCF8-5493-45C8-9153-26628EA57545@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E56B@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
	<996758C1-CC4C-418C-A4D6-CB9A4FC700F6@danshafer.com>
	<AA39CCF8-5493-45C8-9153-26628EA57545@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <898FC8FE-CA10-4EAB-A9A8-1021400BD993@danshafer.com>

Trevor.....

Thanks for pointing those out. Searching the docs proves once again  
to be less than useful.

But the docs at least imply that a playRate < 1 plays forward at  
slower speed. Would a negative number then result in a rewind?

Dan

On Jul 11, 2005, at 7:23 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> Set the playRate to any number below 1 to rewind, above 1 to fast  
> forward.  For example, a playRate of 2 will fast forward at double  
> the normal speed of playback.



From revdan at danshafer.com  Mon Jul 11 23:40:40 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 20:40:40 -0700
Subject: pause, rew and forwad an audio
In-Reply-To: <AA39CCF8-5493-45C8-9153-26628EA57545@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E56B@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
	<996758C1-CC4C-418C-A4D6-CB9A4FC700F6@danshafer.com>
	<AA39CCF8-5493-45C8-9153-26628EA57545@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <6FBF9AAC-5C46-4875-B816-E97770366D09@danshafer.com>

Duh. Rather than ask, why don't you try it, Dan? Well, that's not a  
bad idea.

Yep, a number < 0 for playRate rewinds at that rate, so -1 rewinds at  
the frame rate of the movie, -2 rewinds at double speed, etc.

Cool.

Dan

On Jul 11, 2005, at 7:23 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> On Jul 11, 2005, at 7:01 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:
>
>
>> Assuming you are using a QuickTime Player object to do this work,  
>> you can use the following properties to control pause and loudness:
>>
>> set the playLoudness of player "foo" to 0
>> set the paused of player "foo" to true (and false to un-pause)
>>
>> However, Rev does not include any commands to place the playback  
>> head where you want it. Trevor DeVore of Mango Multimedia, who  
>> hangs out here, wrote an external for Rev to provide better  
>> interaction with QT movies but a quick perusal of the version I  
>> have doesn't include implementation of rewind or fast forward  
>> (i.e., frame-specific positioning) as far as I can tell.
>>
>
> currentTime will set the playhead wherever you want.  Set the  
> playRate to any number below 1 to rewind, above 1 to fast forward.   
> For example, a playRate of 2 will fast forward at double the normal  
> speed of playback.
>
>
> -- 
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Multimedia
> trevor at mangomultimedia.com
>
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Jul 12 00:00:30 2005
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:00:30 -0700
Subject: pause, rew and forwad an audio
In-Reply-To: <6FBF9AAC-5C46-4875-B816-E97770366D09@danshafer.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E56B@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
	<996758C1-CC4C-418C-A4D6-CB9A4FC700F6@danshafer.com>
	<AA39CCF8-5493-45C8-9153-26628EA57545@mangomultimedia.com>
	<6FBF9AAC-5C46-4875-B816-E97770366D09@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <D878C3A7-48C4-41D1-8962-CA974ECFAE29@mangomultimedia.com>

On Jul 11, 2005, at 8:40 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:

> Duh. Rather than ask, why don't you try it, Dan? Well, that's not a  
> bad idea.
>
> Yep, a number < 0 for playRate rewinds at that rate, so -1 rewinds  
> at the frame rate of the movie, -2 rewinds at double speed, etc.
>
> Cool.

Yeah, sorry about that.  Glad you figured out the correct settings.


-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Multimedia
trevor at mangomultimedia.com



From katir at hindu.org  Tue Jul 12 00:01:49 2005
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:01:49 -1000
Subject: preserve vertical white space in XML?
In-Reply-To: <BEF54A85.4F18%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <BEF54A85.4F18%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <DA857F1A-F606-41E1-81D3-447D75864245@hindu.org>

Ken... just a thought... you might sell more software if you had a  
full demo that timed out... even if you only gave it 24 hours or 72  
hours...

I generally always want to know what I'm getting. and since the  
standard ediiton of your XML library is locked... I can't see the  
scripts.

skts


On Jul 09, 2005, at 4:33 AM, Ken Ray wrote:

>
>
>> Is there a way to preserve the single cr's in the original? Otherwise
>> I have to a) live with it b) open them in BBEdit and run a format
>> function to get them back to a readable state--each child node on
>> it's own line...
>>
>
> One alternative is to use my Transcript-based XML Library which will
> preserve white space, but the current version works differently  
> than revXML
> (i.e. it works with nodes and children instead of an XPATH). If you're
> interested, check it out...
>
> http://www.sonsothunder.com/products/metacard/xmllib.htm
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
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>
>
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From katir at hindu.org  Tue Jul 12 00:18:01 2005
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:18:01 -1000
Subject: Stop RevXML converting illegals to entities
Message-ID: <24852A1E-EC98-49ED-8538-260A803EB7A8@hindu.org>

I have this code

     ## tag paragraphs in the transcript node

     put revXMLNodeContents(tCurrTree,"/audio_transcript/ 
transcript_text/") into tTranscript
     replace (cr & cr & cr&cr) with (cr & cr) in tTranscript
     replace (cr & cr & cr) with (cr & cr)  in tTranscript
     replace (cr & cr)  with ("</p>"& cr & cr &"<p>") in tTranscript
     put "<p>" before tTranscript
     put "</p>" after tTranscript
     revPutIntoXMLNode tCurrTree,"/audio_transcript/ 
transcript_text/",tTranscript

     ## get the XML back out and save it to a new file
     put revXMLText(tCurrTree,,new) into tNewFile
     put tNewFile into url   ("file:"& the uFilesPath of this stack&"/ 
1_" & x)

  which is meant to turn paragraphs inside and XML node

para1

para2

para3

into

<p>para 1</p>
<p>para 2</p>
<p>para 3</p>

but on dumping... Rev is converting all these to entities
=======we get as output:

&lt;p&gt;'Learning from our Mistakes' &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Since September 11, there have been increased statements by  
Western media condemning some men as being evil and extolling others  
as being good. This, of course, is not the Hindu perspective.

=====

Is there a way to tell the XML library *not* to touch the so-called  
"illegal chars"

Sivakatirswami

p.s. Ken:

a) would your library give us control over this kind of thing?
b) if I installed your library on a server I could use "start using"  
and call it from a CGI?










From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Tue Jul 12 01:00:48 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:00:48 +1000
Subject: Stop RevXML converting illegals to entities
In-Reply-To: <24852A1E-EC98-49ED-8538-260A803EB7A8@hindu.org>
References: <24852A1E-EC98-49ED-8538-260A803EB7A8@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <C6F35A99-56F3-4342-B490-59061A2988C0@genesearch.com.au>

> I have this code
>
snip

>  which is meant to turn paragraphs inside and XML node
>
> para1
>
> para2
>
> para3
>
> into
>
> <p>para 1</p>
> <p>para 2</p>
> <p>para 3</p>
>
> but on dumping... Rev is converting all these to entities
> =======we get as output:
>
> &lt;p&gt;'Learning from our Mistakes' &lt;/p&gt;

It converts them to entities for it's own storage and shows them like  
this if you use revXMLTree() to display the result, but when you use  
revXMLNodeContents() to retrieve the contents of the node, it will  
convert the entities back into their original characters.

Sarah



From revolution at jaedworks.com  Tue Jul 12 01:37:23 2005
From: revolution at jaedworks.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:37:23 -0700
Subject: pause, rew and forwad an audio
In-Reply-To: <898FC8FE-CA10-4EAB-A9A8-1021400BD993@danshafer.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E56B@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
	<996758C1-CC4C-418C-A4D6-CB9A4FC700F6@danshafer.com>
	<AA39CCF8-5493-45C8-9153-26628EA57545@mangomultimedia.com>
	<898FC8FE-CA10-4EAB-A9A8-1021400BD993@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <p06210211bef907196526@[192.168.2.153]>

At 8:36 PM -0700 7/11/2005, Dan Shafer wrote:
>Thanks for pointing those out. Searching the docs proves once again 
>to be less than useful.
>
>But the docs at least imply that a playRate < 1 plays forward at 
>slower speed. Would a negative number then result in a rewind?


You could look at the useless docs for playRate and find: "A negative 
playRate plays the movie or sound backward."

;-)
-- 
jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
http://www.jaedworks.com


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue Jul 12 03:11:21 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:11:21 +0200
Subject: PLEASE HELP PLEASE HEP.........
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760969@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760969@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <553D05B3-1196-4F0F-A754-6996469F6B9C@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Ban and others who replied,

In a scrolling list field, line selection is automated at mouseDown  
by the engine.
So one single line in both scripts is enough (without using global,  
value function or anything else :-)

answer the hilitedText of fld "My scrolling list field" -- "of me" in  
the field script if you prefer

If you allow me, one word on top of that about ergonomics: however is  
the platform, guide lines say that selecting a line in a list just do  
that and nothing else :-)

Le 11 juil. 05 ? 21:08, Ban Nguyen a ?crit :

> I have this code in the scrolling list field:
>
> global textOfClickedLine
> on mouseUp
>    select the clickLine
>    put the value of the clickLine into textOfClickedLine
>    answer textOfClickedLine
> end mouseUp
>
> It prints the value of the clickline correctly
>
> And then created a button on the same card
>
> And have this code for the button:
>
> on mouseUp
>     answer value(textOfClickedLine)
> end mouseUp
>
> but it prints out the whole text "textOfClickedLine" not the value.  
> How
> can I get the value of the "textOfClickedLine" to print out

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue Jul 12 03:31:48 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:31:48 +0200
Subject: Buggy debugger?
In-Reply-To: <42D32EF7.4060800@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <p06200700bef8cbd78c79@[10.0.1.2]>
	<42D32EF7.4060800@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <BD242254-4955-48E2-85EE-462F1139D94E@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hello,

There is another case where the debugger does not work: when the  
stack name begin with "rev".
It's not a bug but a feature, an annoying feature when you write  
plugins ;-)

Le 12 juil. 05 ? 04:46, J. Landman Gay a ?crit :

> On 7/11/05 8:34 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:
>
>
>> The details of my debugger frustration, previously described:
>>
>>> It works fine on, for example, a simple mouseUp script in a  
>>> simple button. However, if the button sends a message to a  
>>> handler in a stack script (for instance), which then sends  
>>> another message to another handler, nested or not, the debugger  
>>> won't follow along. "Script debug mode" is definitely turned on.  
>>> Step Into, etc., are absent and/or dimmed out, typically.  
>>> Sometimes, I can see the script window open, several windows  
>>> back, but I can't get to it until the script is done executing.  
>>> I've tried setting multiple breakpoints in each handler, tried  
>>> setting breakpoints by script. The script rolls right past them.
>>>
>
> I think Eric mentioned this after you wrote last time, but the  
> debugger doesn't track "send to" messages. It tracks everything  
> else, but if you "send" a handler to another object the debugger  
> won't follow along.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue Jul 12 03:37:54 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:37:54 +0200
Subject: control and option keys not working on Tiger with 2.6?
In-Reply-To: <42D32E47.6040505@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <843607E7-AA1F-4824-8CE8-D5B5A43F9302@hindu.org>	<8D5FAA90-0D2A-499F-97DA-9C864CF66D67@genesearch.com.au>	<DBD5C6D4-F45D-468C-9C51-667140520CB9@hindu.org>
	<E41A47C7-8E9C-40DF-BFE3-E43CC8A1D072@hindu.org>
	<42D32E47.6040505@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <28B8CB1A-15AB-4CAE-BF17-53BDC754D81E@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hello Sivakatirswami,

I would add that logging out/in, restarting Rev, the computer, etc.  
are always things to try when you encounter a weird behaviour :-)
Just an example: sometimes and suddenly shortcuts do not work  
properly in Rev. Restarting a new session fixes the issue.

Le 12 juil. 05 ? 04:43, J. Landman Gay a ?crit :

> On 7/11/05 8:57 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote:
>
>
>> OK, it's OSX... I shut down.. rebooted with cmd-S ran fsck - 
>> fy ...  twice... there were some errors... now the option key and  
>> control  work in Rev.
>> Question remains though, why they worked in other apps and not in  
>> Rev.
>>
>
> I'm not sure why other apps work, but the "what's new" that ships  
> with Rev has this in it:
>
> Issue:  On OS X systems, the "controlKey" and "optionKey" functions  
> occasionally return false even if the keys are being pressed. This  
> issue is an OS problem.
> Workaround:  Log out of OS X, then log back in. This clears the key  
> detection.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Tue Jul 12 04:35:06 2005
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 01:35:06 -0700
Subject: Dreamcard Spell Check
In-Reply-To: <42D32D32.1070207@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <890e3d2605070113392a57d4f5@mail.gmail.com>	<42C5C778.60500@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<040536D4-A731-4843-916A-135AFEB919B4@hindu.org>
	<42D32D32.1070207@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <4be0f9d6b7edbcb477d6d6b4cfe83f92@elementarysoftware.com>

Derek
What about the rest of us?  At least some of us anxious as well.
-Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust !)
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email   scott at elementarysoftware.com

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On Jul 11, 2005, at 7:38 PM, Derek Bump wrote:

> Sivakatirswami wrote:
>> Derek... any news on your spell checker plugin?
>
> Sorry, was taken away from that project.  I'll send you what I've got 
> in the morning.  And yes, it does all that you want it to do.
>
>
> Derek Bump
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From revolution at derbrill.de  Tue Jul 12 05:24:48 2005
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:24:48 +0200
Subject: pause, rew and forwad an audio
In-Reply-To: <20050712070519.50B0082493F@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <CA937073-F2B6-11D9-A508-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>

Just a sidenote:

If you need it to work on Win 98 setting the playrate to 0 seems to 
unexpectedly quit rev (using version 2.2). Not tested on other windows 
systems nor 2.5 or higher

Cheers,

Malte



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue Jul 12 06:32:56 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:32:56 +0200
Subject: [ANN][EN][FR] 18th Tutorial from So Smart Software available
Message-ID: <39CDA4F8-5B53-428E-99EF-A9A880FDEE39@sosmartsoftware.com>

Paris, Tuesday, 12 July 2005 12:30:00 +0100

---------------------- English version -------------------------

Hello,

So Smart Software has the pleasure to announce the avaibility of a  
18th tutorial:
How to download data from the internet

This stack explains how to test the user connection, an url validity,  
why and how to use get url or load url, retrieve data from framed  
pages, give an account of download progress, manage errors, display  
retrieved data (web pages, stacks, compressed or not), etc.
Print function included.

This new "How-To" stack will appear automatically in the Tutorials  
Picker list (a plugin you can download from my web-site).
If you don't have a broadband connection, you can dowload this  
tutorial separately as a 31 KB zip archive. But note that only  
versions accessible by Tutorials Picker are if necessary updated.

Enjoy,
Best regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

--------------------- Version fran?aise ------------------------

Bonjour,

So Smart Software a le plaisir d'annoncer la sortie d'un 18?me  
didacticiel:
Comment t?l?charger des donn?es depuis internet

Cette pile explique comment tester la connection internet de  
l'utilisateur, la validit? d'une url, pourquoi et comment utiliser  
get url ou load url, r?cup?rer des pages web construites avec des  
cadres, rendre compte de l'avancement d'un t?l?chargement, g?rer les  
erreurs, afficher les donn?es r?cup?r?es (pages web, piles,  
compress?es ou non), etc.
Fonction d'impression incluse.

Ce nouveau didacticiel appara?tra automatiquement dans la liste de  
Tutorials Picker, plugin que vous pouvez t?l?charger depuis mon site  
web.
Si vous ne disposez pas d'une connection haut-d?bit, vous pouvez  
t?l?charger ce didacticiel depuis le site sous la forme d'une archive  
zip de 31 Ko. Mais sachez que seules les versions accessibles via  
Tutorials Picker b?n?ficient d'?ventuelles mises ? jour.

Bonnes d?couvertes,
Cordialement,

Eric Chatonet.

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From jbondy at sover.net  Tue Jul 12 07:57:24 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 07:57:24 -0400
Subject: pause, rew and forwad an audio
In-Reply-To: <996758C1-CC4C-418C-A4D6-CB9A4FC700F6@danshafer.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E56B@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
	<996758C1-CC4C-418C-A4D6-CB9A4FC700F6@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <42D3B024.1020007@sover.net>

Here is a handler that "rewinds" a player 10 seconds when a button is 
clicked.  Call this repeatedly and periodically and you would get some 
sort of rewind effect

on mouseUp
  local t
  put the currentTime of player "myPlayer" into t
  subtract (10 * the timeScale of player "myPlayer") from t
  set the currentTime of player "myPlayer" to t
end mouseUp

:)

Jon



Dan Shafer wrote:

> Assuming you are using a QuickTime Player object to do this work, you  
> can use the following properties to control pause and loudness:
>
> set the playLoudness of player "foo" to 0
> set the paused of player "foo" to true (and false to un-pause)
>
> However, Rev does not include any commands to place the playback head  
> where you want it. Trevor DeVore of Mango Multimedia, who hangs out  
> here, wrote an external for Rev to provide better interaction with QT  
> movies but a quick perusal of the version I have doesn't include  
> implementation of rewind or fast forward (i.e., frame-specific  
> positioning) as far as I can tell.
>
> Dan
>
> On Jul 11, 2005, at 1:07 PM, Ban Nguyen wrote:
>
>> I use play and stop command to play and stop an audio.  What  command do
>> I need to use to pause, rew and forwad an audio.  How do I control the
>> volume? Thank you for your help.
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Jul 12 08:02:39 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 07:02:39 -0500
Subject: Stop RevXML converting illegals to entities
In-Reply-To: <24852A1E-EC98-49ED-8538-260A803EB7A8@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <BEF91B8F.5218%kray@sonsothunder.com>


> p.s. Ken:
> 
> a) would your library give us control over this kind of thing?

Yes.

> b) if I installed your library on a server I could use "start using"
> and call it from a CGI?

Yes. It's pure Transcript, so it can be used wherever a normal Transcript
library can be used.


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/





From cowhead at mac.com  Tue Jul 12 08:31:20 2005
From: cowhead at mac.com (mark)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:31:20 +0900
Subject: mac file name fonkyness
In-Reply-To: <20050711163349.EF15F824A24@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <D9D1CB96-F2D0-11D9-A7E2-000A956E5E04@mac.com>

Thanks to Scott and Mark W., this works like a champ if your using long  
file names on a mac and trying to set the fileName of a player to these  
long names.  I suppose another option is to use the "rename" command to  
generate shorter file names,  but then you screw yourself if you want  
to continue to use the same media in itunes.
thanks again,
mark in japan

Scott wrote:

> A workaround was provided by Mark Waddingham: set the filename of
> a your player to a *file* URL, ie
> file:///Volumes/Primary/Users/mark/Desktop/ 
> really_really_really_long_filenam
> e.mp3
>
> Important: make sure to replace any spaces in the name with %20, even  
> though
> you should *not* use a fully URL encoded path.



From revdan at danshafer.com  Tue Jul 12 08:37:47 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 05:37:47 -0700
Subject: pause, rew and forwad an audio
In-Reply-To: <p06210211bef907196526@[192.168.2.153]>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E56B@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
	<996758C1-CC4C-418C-A4D6-CB9A4FC700F6@danshafer.com>
	<AA39CCF8-5493-45C8-9153-26628EA57545@mangomultimedia.com>
	<898FC8FE-CA10-4EAB-A9A8-1021400BD993@danshafer.com>
	<p06210211bef907196526@[192.168.2.153]>
Message-ID: <E322B790-D943-4092-B060-74D4AA6807E6@danshafer.com>

Grrrr.

Well, first of all I didn't easily find playRate when I was searching  
for info for my first response. I realize what I did; I did a Filter  
on Objects for the word "player" rather than searching objects for  
the word "player." Now, I've gotten into that habit because: (a)  
searching is too slow; and (b) it brings up way more than I want to  
know.

The old docs had a much more useful feature that somehow got left out  
in the "upgrade" to the new design (which I do like in many ways). It  
is still described in the present docs but no longer accurate:

  To see a list of messages that can be sent to a player as a result  
of user actions or internal Revolution events, open the "Transcript  
Language Dictionary" page of the main Documentation window, and  
choose "Player Messages" from the Show menu at the top. To see a list  
of all the properties a player can have, choose "Player Properties"  
from the Show menu.

I miss that.


On Jul 11, 2005, at 10:37 PM, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote:

> At 8:36 PM -0700 7/11/2005, Dan Shafer wrote:
>
>> Thanks for pointing those out. Searching the docs proves once  
>> again to be less than useful.
>>
>> But the docs at least imply that a playRate < 1 plays forward at  
>> slower speed. Would a negative number then result in a rewind?
>>
>
>
> You could look at the useless docs for playRate and find: "A  
> negative playRate plays the movie or sound backward."
>
> ;-)
> -- 
> jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
> http://www.jaedworks.com
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 From http://www.shafermedia.com/revolutionbooks.html






From devin_asay at byu.edu  Tue Jul 12 10:09:48 2005
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:09:48 -0600
Subject: play videoClip "nameOfVideo" does not work, Please help
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E571@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E571@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <B3880D71-4605-4237-886F-1E1D71922257@byu.edu>


On Jul 11, 2005, at 6:08 PM, Ban Nguyen wrote:

> I create a button name "play"
> I put this script on button:
> on mouseUp
>    play videoClip "MENTORS" at 100,100
> end mouseUp
>
> It did not work.  Please help me, thank you

Did you import the clip into the stack? If so, open the Application  
Browser (Tools menu) and find the imported video clip. Make sure you  
are using the correct name, including extension if any. Also, the  
play command doesn't handle various types of compression well. (Klaus  
Major is the expert in this area.) The QuickTime player object is  
much better at playing compressed files, especially audio compression.)

If you did not import the clip, but are trying to play it as an  
external file, you must specify the entire file path, like this:

     play videoClip "C:/My folder/My other folder/MENTORS.avi"

The exception to this is if you have set the defaultFolder property  
to the folder that contains the video clip file.

Hope this helps.

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Tue Jul 12 10:32:25 2005
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:32:25 -0600
Subject: different UI approach
In-Reply-To: <20050711233134.1735.qmail@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20050711233134.1735.qmail@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D7B3EA31-F9F2-4464-B04D-51422CF811FE@byu.edu>


On Jul 11, 2005, at 5:31 PM, Erik Hansen wrote:

>
>
> --- Chipp Walters <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:
>
>
>> My inclination is to agree with you, Dan,
>>
>
> agree with the agreement, but...
>
> it -felt- good.

Whoa. It drove me crazy! I hate an interface that tries to guess what  
I want to do. A click is a quick, easy event to generate. Interfaces  
that respond to mouse points feel like waving a loaded gun around  
without quite knowing just when it will decide to fire.

If fact, I think I'll create an interface that eliminates mouse  
pointing and only responds to clicks. Let's see... one click  
activates the top rightmost button, two clicks pulls down the first  
menu, two and a half clicks chooses menu item 1 of menu 1...

;-)

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From rjearp at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 12 10:56:48 2005
From: rjearp at hotmail.com (Bob Earp)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 07:56:48 -0700
Subject: Spell Checker
Message-ID: <BAY23-F1390FD5CF24FFFC4963085D1DF0@phx.gbl>

Dear Derek,
Is there any chance you could share this with the rest of us.  To be able to 
add a spell checker to Rev would be quite fantastic given my spelling and 
typing dyslexia ;-)

Thanks for responding.  Bob...

Bob Earp - White Rock, British Columbia



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:38:42 -0500
From: Derek Bump <webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com>
Subject: Re: Dreamcard Spell Check
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <42D32D32.1070207 at dreamscapesoftware.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Sivakatirswami wrote:
>Derek... any news on your spell checker plugin?

Sorry, was taken away from that project.  I'll send you what I've got in
the morning.  And yes, it does all that you want it to do.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
_______________________________________________
Compress Photos for the Web with JPEGCompress
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/

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From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Tue Jul 12 11:17:25 2005
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:17:25 -0500
Subject: Spell Checker
In-Reply-To: <BAY23-F1390FD5CF24FFFC4963085D1DF0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY23-F1390FD5CF24FFFC4963085D1DF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <42D3DF05.9050906@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Bob Earp wrote:
> Is there any chance you could share this with the rest of us.  To be 
> able to add a spell checker to Rev would be quite fantastic given my 
> spelling and typing dyslexia ;-)

I'm working hard on completing the Spell Checker Plugin.  I wanted to 
have something by this morning, but work was busy last night so I didn't 
have a lot of free time (I'm in law enforcement).

Rest assured though, I will put it up for everyone to download...the 
question then is do I charge a fee? :)  (just kidding about the fee)


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
_______________________________________________
Compress Photos for the Web with JPEGCompress
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/



From chris at carroll-davis.co.uk  Tue Jul 12 11:17:56 2005
From: chris at carroll-davis.co.uk (Chris Carroll-Davis)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:17:56 +0100
Subject: Folder size
Message-ID: <AEBCFC70-1C83-4C87-BA18-EEE1B5805B45@carroll-davis.co.uk>

Hello folks -

Anyone know if there is an easy way in Rev of getting the size of a  
folder (together with all it's sub-folders).  I know I can do a loop  
using "detailed files" and "detailed folders" but that seems a bit  
long-winded, and I'm sure I'd be re-inventing the wheel!  Is there  
another way, or is there an existing function anywhere that I can pinch?

TIA

Chris




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jul 12 11:32:59 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:32:59 -0500
Subject: play videoClip "nameOfVideo" does not work, Please help
In-Reply-To: <B3880D71-4605-4237-886F-1E1D71922257@byu.edu>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E571@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
	<B3880D71-4605-4237-886F-1E1D71922257@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <42D3E2AB.1070309@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/12/05 9:09 AM, Devin Asay wrote:

> If you did not import the clip, but are trying to play it as an  
> external file, you must specify the entire file path, like this:

As long as we're talking about videoclips, is there a way to store a QT 
movie as an imported file in a stack, but still set a player to use it? 
I know I can write the movie to disk temporarily and play it from there, 
but it would be cleaner if I could just refer to it in the stack. Using 
the "play" command to run it doesn't give enough control, I need to use 
a player object.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From bann at sunncomm.com  Tue Jul 12 11:43:53 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:43:53 -0700
Subject: play videoClip "nameOfVideo" does not work, Please help
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E572@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>


-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of J. Landman
Gay
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 8:33 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: play videoClip "nameOfVideo" does not work, Please help

On 7/12/05 9:09 AM, Devin Asay wrote:

> If you did not import the clip, but are trying to play it as an  
> external file, you must specify the entire file path, like this:

As long as we're talking about videoclips, is there a way to store a QT 
movie as an imported file in a stack, but still set a player to use it? 
I know I can write the movie to disk temporarily and play it from there,

but it would be cleaner if I could just refer to it in the stack. Using 
the "play" command to run it doesn't give enough control, I need to use 
a player object.






-----  Could you  give an example how to use the player object?  I did
imported the moive (MENTORS.wmv) into the stack (videoClips)


From bann at sunncomm.com  Tue Jul 12 11:57:23 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:57:23 -0700
Subject: play videoClip "nameOfVideo" does not work, Please help
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E573@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>



-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of J. Landman
Gay
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 8:33 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: play videoClip "nameOfVideo" does not work, Please help

On 7/12/05 9:09 AM, Devin Asay wrote:

> If you did not import the clip, but are trying to play it as an  
> external file, you must specify the entire file path, like this:

As long as we're talking about videoclips, is there a way to store a QT 
movie as an imported file in a stack, but still set a player to use it? 
I know I can write the movie to disk temporarily and play it from there,

but it would be cleaner if I could just refer to it in the stack. Using 
the "play" command to run it doesn't give enough control, I need to use 
a player object.






-----  Could you  give an example how to use the player object?  I did
imported the moive (MENTORS.wmv) into the stack (videoClips)




----- Does it play .wmv movie?
This is what I did:
I create a button and put this code in there
on mouseUp
   play videoClip "MENTORS.wmv" at 100,100
end mouseUp

I didnot not work. What did I do wrong?  Please help







From ps1 at softseven.org  Tue Jul 12 14:09:28 2005
From: ps1 at softseven.org (Paul Salyers)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:09:28 -0700
Subject: random number help...
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20050712105359.029d14a8@softseven.org>

I need help on putting a random number in a array.

Here is my random code to get a random number 0-5:

on mouseUp
   put random(6) -1 onto tFNF1
   put tFNF1 into field "FNF"
   put random(6) -1 onto tSNF1
   put tSNF1 into field "SNF"
end mouseUp


What I need to do is to do that 100 times and store the random number is an 
aray

I guess "repeat for 10 times" has replaced "For / Next"

I can live with that, but how to I store the random number in an array 
field eX:

tFNF1 tFNF2 tFNF3 tFNF4 / tFNF100 the same for the tSNF

Then I'll put the tFNF1-100 and tSNF1-100 into the correct fields ad need be.




Paul Salyers
PS1 - Senior Rep.
PS1 at softseven.org
Http://ps1.SoftSeven.org 




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jul 12 12:19:29 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:19:29 -0700
Subject: pause, rew and forwad an audio
In-Reply-To: <E322B790-D943-4092-B060-74D4AA6807E6@danshafer.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E56B@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>	<996758C1-CC4C-418C-A4D6-CB9A4FC700F6@danshafer.com>	<AA39CCF8-5493-45C8-9153-26628EA57545@mangomultimedia.com>	<898FC8FE-CA10-4EAB-A9A8-1021400BD993@danshafer.com>	<p06210211bef907196526@[192.168.2.153]>
	<E322B790-D943-4092-B060-74D4AA6807E6@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <42D3ED91.9060404@fourthworld.com>

Dan Shafer wrote:
>  To see a list of messages that can be sent to a player as a result  of 
> user actions or internal Revolution events, open the "Transcript  
> Language Dictionary" page of the main Documentation window, and  choose 
> "Player Messages" from the Show menu at the top. To see a list  of all 
> the properties a player can have, choose "Player Properties"  from the 
> Show menu.
> 
> I miss that.

Your old friend need not be missed -- seems it's there, just in a 
different location:

   Help->Objects->Player->Message

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Tue Jul 12 12:20:53 2005
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:20:53 -0600
Subject: play videoClip "nameOfVideo" does not work, Please help
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E573@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E573@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <93E7FF3F-FED9-412C-A93F-EE0BACE6C896@byu.edu>


On Jul 12, 2005, at 9:57 AM, Ban Nguyen wrote:
>
> ----- Does it play .wmv movie?
> This is what I did:
> I create a button and put this code in there
> on mouseUp
>    play videoClip "MENTORS.wmv" at 100,100
> end mouseUp
>
> I didnot not work. What did I do wrong?  Please help

To the best of my knowledge, Revolution (and most other software  
video players) can not play .wmv files. This is a proprietary  
Microsoft technology whose format is not open source.

Others may be more familiar with this issue than I am.

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Tue Jul 12 12:24:30 2005
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:24:30 -0600
Subject: play videoClip "nameOfVideo" does not work, Please help
In-Reply-To: <42D3E2AB.1070309@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E571@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
	<B3880D71-4605-4237-886F-1E1D71922257@byu.edu>
	<42D3E2AB.1070309@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <10C55F07-E695-4ADB-9ED3-06A6C16CEF47@byu.edu>

On Jul 12, 2005, at 9:32 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 7/12/05 9:09 AM, Devin Asay wrote:
>
>
>> If you did not import the clip, but are trying to play it as an   
>> external file, you must specify the entire file path, like this:
>>
>
> As long as we're talking about videoclips, is there a way to store  
> a QT movie as an imported file in a stack, but still set a player  
> to use it? I know I can write the movie to disk temporarily and  
> play it from there, but it would be cleaner if I could just refer  
> to it in the stack. Using the "play" command to run it doesn't give  
> enough control, I need to use a player object.

I've never been able to find a way to do it. Seems like a no-brainer,  
though. BZ request, anyone?

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From bann at sunncomm.com  Tue Jul 12 12:34:59 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:34:59 -0700
Subject: place the window in the middle of screen?
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E574@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>

Hello,

How to place the window in the center of the screen?  Please help


From revdan at danshafer.com  Tue Jul 12 12:36:26 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:36:26 -0700
Subject: pause, rew and forwad an audio
In-Reply-To: <42D3ED91.9060404@fourthworld.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E56B@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>	<996758C1-CC4C-418C-A4D6-CB9A4FC700F6@danshafer.com>	<AA39CCF8-5493-45C8-9153-26628EA57545@mangomultimedia.com>	<898FC8FE-CA10-4EAB-A9A8-1021400BD993@danshafer.com>	<p06210211bef907196526@[192.168.2.153]>
	<E322B790-D943-4092-B060-74D4AA6807E6@danshafer.com>
	<42D3ED91.9060404@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <5A93DAF9-9141-4356-A95C-9556063E19A0@danshafer.com>

OK, this is Dan with egg all over his face.

Thanks, Richard.

I hate to admit this but when I first got the new docs and poked  
around a bit, I never took the time to see what the left pane would  
expand to. Not me, the super user. No, sirree. I'll do a search and  
filter and find everything i want in that hard-to-do-it macho way  
that sort of matches some of my coding techniques.

Yeesh.

Lesson learned.

dan

On Jul 12, 2005, at 9:19 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Dan Shafer wrote:
>
>>  To see a list of messages that can be sent to a player as a  
>> result  of user actions or internal Revolution events, open the  
>> "Transcript  Language Dictionary" page of the main Documentation  
>> window, and  choose "Player Messages" from the Show menu at the  
>> top. To see a list  of all the properties a player can have,  
>> choose "Player Properties"  from the Show menu.
>> I miss that.
>>
>
> Your old friend need not be missed -- seems it's there, just in a  
> different location:
>
>   Help->Objects->Player->Message
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal
>  _______________________________________________________
>  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com
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From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Jul 12 12:37:56 2005
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:37:56 +0200
Subject: place the window in the middle of screen?
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E574@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E574@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <4F63362A-D945-40CC-8A82-D874CAEC5209@major-k.de>

Hi Ban,

> Hello,
>
> How to place the window in the center of the screen?  Please help

...
set the loc of stack "xyz" to the screenloc
...

:-)


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Jul 12 12:43:33 2005
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:43:33 -0600
Subject: random number help...
In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20050712105359.029d14a8@softseven.org>
References: <6.1.1.1.2.20050712105359.029d14a8@softseven.org>
Message-ID: <8ade04c0e2c158abecad9d99ac921449@swcp.com>


On Jul 12, 2005, at 12:09 PM, Paul Salyers wrote:

> What I need to do is to do that 100 times and store the random number 
> is an aray

I'm not sure what you are asking for.  Maybe this gets you to walking 
distance:

   repeat with i = 1 to 100
     put random(6)-1 into a[i]
   end repeat

Dar

-- 
**********************************************
     DSC (Dar Scott Consulting & Dar's Lab)
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming and software
**********************************************



From bann at sunncomm.com  Tue Jul 12 12:44:00 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:44:00 -0700
Subject: place the window in the middle of screen?
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E575@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>


> Hello,
>
> How to place the window in the center of the screen?  Please help

...
set the loc of stack "xyz" to the screenloc
...

:-)



Should I put this code in the main stack?  Where should I put this code.
Thank you for your help







From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Jul 12 12:47:51 2005
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:47:51 +0200
Subject: place the window in the middle of screen?
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E575@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E575@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <63B309D8-C0DA-492F-9AD3-9F2E3E58CAC8@major-k.de>

Hi Ban,

>> Hello,
>>
>> How to place the window in the center of the screen?  Please help
> ...
> set the loc of stack "xyz" to the screenloc
> ...
>
> :-)
>
> Should I put this code in the main stack?  Where should I put this  
> code.

This should go into the stackscript into an "preopenstack" handler
so the window will appear in the middle of the screen:

on preopenstack
   set the loc of this stack to the screenloc
   ...
end preopenstack

> Thank you for your help

You're welcome :-)


Best from germany

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jul 12 13:03:20 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:03:20 -0700
Subject: pause, rew and forwad an audio
In-Reply-To: <5A93DAF9-9141-4356-A95C-9556063E19A0@danshafer.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E56B@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>	<996758C1-CC4C-418C-A4D6-CB9A4FC700F6@danshafer.com>	<AA39CCF8-5493-45C8-9153-26628EA57545@mangomultimedia.com>	<898FC8FE-CA10-4EAB-A9A8-1021400BD993@danshafer.com>	<p06210211bef907196526@[192.168.2.153]>	<E322B790-D943-4092-B060-74D4AA6807E6@danshafer.com>	<42D3ED91.9060404@fourthworld.com>
	<5A93DAF9-9141-4356-A95C-9556063E19A0@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <42D3F7D8.7070709@fourthworld.com>

Dan Shafer wrote:
 >> Dan Shafer wrote:
 >>
 >>>  To see a list of messages that can be sent to a player as a  result
 >>> of user actions or internal Revolution events, open the  "Transcript
 >>> Language Dictionary" page of the main Documentation  window, and
 >>> choose "Player Messages" from the Show menu at the  top. To see a
 >>> list  of all the properties a player can have,  choose "Player
 >>> Properties"  from the Show menu.
 >>> I miss that.
 >>>
 >>
 >> Your old friend need not be missed -- seems it's there, just in a
 >> different location:
 >>
 >>   Help->Objects->Player->Message
 >>
 > Thanks, Richard.
 >
 > I hate to admit this but when I first got the new docs and poked
 > around a bit, I never took the time to see what the left pane
 > would  expand to.
 > Not me, the super user. No, sirree. I'll do a search and  filter and
 > find everything i want in that hard-to-do-it macho way  that sort of
 > matches some of my coding techniques.
 >
 > Yeesh.
 >
 > Lesson learned.

I learned the same lesson:  Some time ago I posted a suggestion here 
about this, and Jeanne showed me where to find it.

Sometimes it takes a second try to teach us ol' dogs a new trick, but at 
least we learn in the end. :)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From bann at sunncomm.com  Tue Jul 12 13:05:24 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:05:24 -0700
Subject: place the window in the middle of screen?
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E576@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>


-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Klaus
Major
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 9:48 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: place the window in the middle of screen?

Hi Ban,

>> Hello,
>>
>> How to place the window in the center of the screen?  Please help
> ...
> set the loc of stack "xyz" to the screenloc
> ...
>
> :-)
>
> Should I put this code in the main stack?  Where should I put this  
> code.

This should go into the stackscript into an "preopenstack" handler
so the window will appear in the middle of the screen:

on preopenstack
   set the loc of this stack to the screenloc
   ...
end preopenstack

> Thank you for your help

You're welcome :-)


Best from germany

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


----->  Thanks Klaus it works







From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Jul 12 13:16:58 2005
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:16:58 +0200
Subject: place the window in the middle of screen?
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E576@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E576@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <EB9FA75E-C1C1-4757-95DD-00F9A77A567F@major-k.de>

Xin ch?o Ban,

> ...
> This should go into the stackscript into an "preopenstack" handler
> so the window will appear in the middle of the screen:
>
> on preopenstack
>    set the loc of this stack to the screenloc
>    ...
> end preopenstack
>
>
>> Thank you for your help
>>
> You're welcome :-)
>
>
> Best from germany
>
> Klaus Major
> klaus at major-k.de
> http://www.major-k.de
>
>
> ----->  Thanks Klaus it works

I am not surprised :-D


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From bann at sunncomm.com  Tue Jul 12 13:32:52 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:32:52 -0700
Subject: building an audio player
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376096B@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>

Xin ch?o Klaus,


I am new to Revolution.  I am building an audio player.  So far I got the play, stop, next, previous buttons work

Do you have any idea to do the pause button and I want to use the slider to control the audio id user want to play fast or play back (you know what I mean)

I want to have a volume control to control the sound

BTW I am using the scrolling list field to list the audio files and let user click on each song....it works 

Please help
Thank you


From see3d at writeme.com  Tue Jul 12 13:43:09 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:43:09 -0400
Subject: Serial communication in Tiger
Message-ID: <83B8946B-126E-4C5F-AF76-3DE4F15C4578@writeme.com>

Hi All,

I just ran into a problem that perhaps I can use Rev to solve, but I  
don't know if I can, or where to start looking, so perhaps one of you  
can point me in the right direction.

I have a robotic glass cutting machine I built 12 years ago.  It uses  
a serial communications port to initially program its internal  
EPROM.  I used a Mac (since deceased) with a serial port and terminal  
communication software to send two small files to program the machine  
when I first built it.  Now the machine is acting up, and I have  
replacement chips for it, but I have to program them.  I use a  
Keyspan USB to Serial port device and driver which work with a serial  
terminal app.  I can communicate with all the hardware, but I can't  
control the app in the way I need to.

All I need to do is send a file one character at a time to the device  
and wait for the echo before sending the next character --piece of cake.

Anyone know if I can use Rev to do this?

Thanks,
Dennis


From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Jul 12 13:46:17 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:46:17 +0100
Subject: Script editor - non-existent changes.
Message-ID: <42D401E9.5040308@tweedly.net>


One of the things that has annoyed me, on and off, about the script 
editor is that it will ask me
  "Do you want to apply the changes ..... 
   [Apply]   [ Cancel]  [Don't Apply]"

even when I didn't think I had made any changes. Today, it got annoying 
enough for me to investigate (rather than just curse under my breath and 
carry on with what I was trying to do).

The revScriptEditor script contains

>   if pTheKey is among the items of "65361,65362,65363,65364,65360" then
>     -- navigation key, arrow, home, end, change selection
>     selectionChanged
>     pass rawKeyUp
>   end if

Any other key will set the "modified" flag, and force the question to be 
asked when the script editor is closed.

So it looks to me as though:
1. regardless of what the comment says, the "home" key is in the list, 
so it doesn't set the flag; the "end" key isn't, so it does set the flag
2. Even "unimportant" keys will set the flag (e.g. Ctl, Alt, etc.)

Am I missing something ?  Can ctl or alt affect the content of the script ?
is there anything different between home and end keys that would require 
this to be different ?

I can (probably will) just change it and see what happens - but there 
are too many key combinations to trust any results from simple testing, 
so if anyone has answers to these questions it might save me some time.

Thanks,

-- 
Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net



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From pixelbird at interisland.net  Tue Jul 12 13:47:04 2005
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:47:04 -0700
Subject: different UI approach
In-Reply-To: <20050712161851.85A56824D12@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050712161851.85A56824D12@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <76a96f834247b9f6a325b44b57a79925@interisland.net>


On Jul 12, 2005, at 9:18 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com 
wrote:

> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:32:25 -0600
> From: Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu>
> Subject: Re: different UI approach
>
>
>
> On Jul 11, 2005, at 5:31 PM, Erik Hansen wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> --- Chipp Walters <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> My inclination is to agree with you, Dan,
>>>
>>
>> agree with the agreement, but...
>>
>> it -felt- good.
>
> Whoa. It drove me crazy! I hate an interface that tries to guess what
> I want to do. A click is a quick, easy event to generate. Interfaces
> that respond to mouse points feel like waving a loaded gun around
> without quite knowing just when it will decide to fire.

Yes!! FWIW, that's exactly how it felt to me too. Thanks for putting it 
in words

I think it's evil, like horizontal scrolling (Note: I even keep the 
dock on my Mac on the left side instead of the bottom ;-))

Actually, I think a little circular motion with grow buttons would be 
cool (a circular dock? -- circular menus?). But I still need to fire 
the gun (click) if and when _I_ want to do it.

All the best,
Ken N.



From got at mindspring.com  Tue Jul 12 13:48:44 2005
From: got at mindspring.com (Gordon Tillman)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:48:44 -0500
Subject: Serial communication in Tiger
In-Reply-To: <83B8946B-126E-4C5F-AF76-3DE4F15C4578@writeme.com>
References: <83B8946B-126E-4C5F-AF76-3DE4F15C4578@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <B3DC1E4A-B251-42B4-953E-4DA355C9D044@mindspring.com>

Hi Dennis,


On Jul 12, 2005, at 12:43, Dennis Brown wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I just ran into a problem that perhaps I can use Rev to solve, but  
> I don't know if I can, or where to start looking, so perhaps one of  
> you can point me in the right direction.
>
> I have a robotic glass cutting machine I built 12 years ago.  It  
> uses a serial communications port to initially program its internal  
> EPROM.  I used a Mac (since deceased) with a serial port and  
> terminal communication software to send two small files to program  
> the machine when I first built it.  Now the machine is acting up,  
> and I have replacement chips for it, but I have to program them.  I  
> use a Keyspan USB to Serial port device and driver which work with  
> a serial terminal app.  I can communicate with all the hardware,  
> but I can't control the app in the way I need to.
>
> All I need to do is send a file one character at a time to the  
> device and wait for the echo before sending the next character -- 
> piece of cake.
>
> Anyone know if I can use Rev to do this?

This should be no problem at all.  I wrote a complete driver for both  
NCS/Pearson and ScanTron (bubble-form) scanners and had to do much  
the same type of thing.  Works great on a Mac with the Keyspan adapter.

--gordon




From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Jul 12 13:53:50 2005
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:53:50 +0200
Subject: building an audio player
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376096B@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376096B@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <6C115E81-F77F-4019-B418-96DA5A276EC2@major-k.de>

Xin ch?o Ban,

> Xin ch?o Klaus,
>
> I am new to Revolution.  I am building an audio player.  So far I  
> got the play, stop, next, previous buttons work
>
> Do you have any idea to do the pause button and I want to use the  
> slider to control the audio id user want to play fast or play back  
> (you know what I mean)

you mean the user clicks (and holds the mouse!) on the fastforward  
button
and the sound plays very fast, until the user releases the mouse again?

Hint:
To be able to control the sound like you want to, you must use a  
"player? object!
If you just use "play ac xyz" then you do not have much control over  
the playback!
No fast forward/backward etc...

In that case i use a button (2 buttons, on for forward and one for  
backwards)
with this script, this is the fastforward button:

on mousedown
    set the playrate of player "your audio playername here" to 2
   ## plays double speed...
   ## This is the "normal" behaviour of such a button, i think ;-)
end mousedown

on mouseup
     set the playrate of player "your audio playername here" to 1
end mouseup

on mouserelease
   set the playrate of player "your audio playername here" to 1
end mouserelease


That's all :-)
...
set the playrate of ... to -2
...

In the fast backward button.

> I want to have a volume control to control the sound

Simply use a "slider", vertical of horizontal.

Set the startvalue to 0
The endvalue to 100

And put this into the script of the slider:

on scrollbardrag t_value
    set the playloudness of player "your audio playername here" to  
t_value
end scrollbardrag

Done :-)

The message "scrollbardrag" is being sent to Revolution continuously
while the user drags the slider. The message can have 1 parameter,
the current value of the slider, so this script will work in realtime.

Hope this helps.

> BTW I am using the scrolling list field to list the audio files and  
> let user click on each song....it works
>
> Please help
> Thank you

Kh?ng c? chi. (I just love Google ;-)

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From bann at sunncomm.com  Tue Jul 12 14:05:33 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:05:33 -0700
Subject: building an audio player
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376096C@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>


-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Klaus Major
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 10:54 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: building an audio player

Xin ch?o Ban,

> Xin ch?o Klaus,
>
> I am new to Revolution.  I am building an audio player.  So far I  
> got the play, stop, next, previous buttons work
>
> Do you have any idea to do the pause button and I want to use the  
> slider to control the audio id user want to play fast or play back  
> (you know what I mean)

you mean the user clicks (and holds the mouse!) on the fastforward  
button
and the sound plays very fast, until the user releases the mouse again?

Hint:
To be able to control the sound like you want to, you must use a  
"player" object!
If you just use "play ac xyz" then you do not have much control over  
the playback!
No fast forward/backward etc...

In that case i use a button (2 buttons, on for forward and one for  
backwards)
with this script, this is the fastforward button:

on mousedown
    set the playrate of player "your audio playername here" to 2
   ## plays double speed...
   ## This is the "normal" behaviour of such a button, i think ;-)
end mousedown

on mouseup
     set the playrate of player "your audio playername here" to 1
end mouseup

on mouserelease
   set the playrate of player "your audio playername here" to 1
end mouserelease


That's all :-)
...
set the playrate of ... to -2
...

In the fast backward button.

> I want to have a volume control to control the sound

Simply use a "slider", vertical of horizontal.

Set the startvalue to 0
The endvalue to 100

And put this into the script of the slider:

on scrollbardrag t_value
    set the playloudness of player "your audio playername here" to  
t_value
end scrollbardrag

Done :-)

The message "scrollbardrag" is being sent to Revolution continuously
while the user drags the slider. The message can have 1 parameter,
the current value of the slider, so this script will work in realtime.

Hope this helps.

> BTW I am using the scrolling list field to list the audio files and  
> let user click on each song....it works
>
> Please help
> Thank you

Kh?ng c? chi. (I just love Google ;-)

Regards


------------->


I used the "player" object but it did not work. How can I have a list of songs in there?

I want to use the slider to control the song forward and backward and use another slider to make the volume

Is there anyway to do that?

Thank you very much for your help
Ban

---------------->


From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Tue Jul 12 14:13:26 2005
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:13:26 -0700
Subject: Buggy debugger -- solved?
In-Reply-To: <42D32EF7.4060800@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <p06200700bef8cbd78c79@[10.0.1.2]>
	<42D32EF7.4060800@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <p06200707bef9aaf0d65a@[10.0.1.2]>

>On 7/11/05 8:34 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:
>
>>The details of my debugger frustration, previously described:
>>
>>>It works fine on, for example, a simple mouseUp script in a simple 
>>>button. However, if the button sends a message to a handler in a 
>>>stack script (for instance), which then sends another message to 
>>>another handler, nested or not, the debugger won't follow along. 
>>>"Script debug mode" is definitely turned on. Step Into, etc., are 
>>>absent and/or dimmed out, typically. Sometimes, I can see the 
>>>script window open, several windows back, but I can't get to it 
>>>until the script is done executing. I've tried setting multiple 
>>>breakpoints in each handler, tried setting breakpoints by script. 
>>>The script rolls right past them.
>
>I think Eric mentioned this after you wrote last time, but the 
>debugger doesn't track "send to" messages. It tracks everything 
>else, but if you "send" a handler to another object the debugger 
>won't follow along.
>


Thanks to Eric, Jacque and Mark on this thread. And thanks to Dan, again.

First, let me clarify what happens, and what doesn't. The script 
window opens at the breakpoint, but it does not come to the front, 
and the script does not pause at the breakpoint. After the script is 
done executing, I can move the script window to the front, but it 
does me no good.

Oops! I just solved part of the puzzle, but mysteries remain. Feel 
free to skip to the second row of asterisks if you want. The details 
lie between the asterisks if anyone is interested.


************************** the dull details, perhaps now irrelevant, follow:


Here's a typical sequence of events.

On mouseup
     get this
     put that into field "theotherthing"
     etc.
      goForIt -- this is a message sent to the background script. The 
bg script does receive it, and the script executes fine, but I can't 
debug it.
end mouseup

Now, in the background script

On goForIt
      handler1 -- this massages some data, without changing stacks or 
backgrounds. It terminates, so the script moves onto the next handler 
in goForIt
      handler2 -- more of the same
      handler3 -- this goes to another stack, picks up some data and 
returns. It also terminates
      handler4 -- this is a handler that doesn't terminate. The next 
handler is nested, in other words. Depending on an operator, it calls 
either handler5 or handler6
end goForIt

The command "send" does not appear anywhere in this sequence.

In reaction to the good comments of the good people on this thread, 
and also in reaction to my desire not to look like a whiner or an 
idiot, I re-tested. Same results. As follows:

If I put the breakpoint in the button, the button script does open, 
and I can "step into" through the lines of the button. Once the 
script gets to the goForIt message, the script executes without 
pausing, even though the window of the bg script opens.

If I put the breakpoint at the beginning of the goForIt handler in 
the bg script, at the the handler1 message, at the beginning of the 
handler1 handler, in the middle of the handler1 handler, or all of 
the above, or do the same with any other handler in this sequence, 
the same thing happens. The script window opens, but it's not the 
front window, and the script runs to completion, without pausing. 
When the script has executed, the script window remains open.

After reading the docs again, I realized that I can initiate 
debugging when the error window opens. So, I deliberately placed an 
error at various points in the goForIt handler, or in hanlder1, 
handler2, etc. The debug button on the error window did respond, and 
took me to the error. The script has paused, the script window opens, 
but the debugger buttons at the bottom of the script window (step 
into, etc.) are absent, and the corresponding items in the debug 
window are dimmed out. The script stalls. All I can do is remove the 
offending line, save, and run the script again.



**************************  The more productive part starts below:



Maybe there's something about background scrips. As I write this, it 
strikes me that I've put most scripts of this nature in the 
background script. I just tried a similar kind of 
button-handler-handler-etc situation, where all the handlers are in 
the stack script. These seem to debug just fine.

Maybe this is why the debugger seems to have worked at some times, 
not at others. I didn't notice the pattern before.

Now I'm going back to the script described above. I'm moving handler1 
to the stack script. If I put the breakpoint at hanlder1 in the stack 
script, I can "step into" all the way thru handler1. When it 
terminates, and control reverts to the bg script, I can't debug any 
further.

My hypothesis is -- there is something different about bg scripts -- 
maybe several things. In a way I hope so. I'm gonna feel really 
stupid if no one can reproduce this issue at this point.

If background scripts are "different," what's different about them? I 
looked through the documentation pretty carefully, but didn't find 
any mention of this.

If others on the list haven't have this problem, maybe most 
experienced users avoid background scripts, avoid turning on "behave 
like a background" or don't have HCaddressing turned on. (In my case, 
"behave like a background" and HCaddressing areturned on.) If that's 
true, few people on the list would have noticed this issue. It's also 
possible it's an OS X-only problem.

Should I have known that the debugger doesn't work properly in bg 
scripts? Or maybe this is an un-reported bug in the debugger?

Your ever faithful fumbling amateur,


Tim


From jbondy at sover.net  Tue Jul 12 14:14:13 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:14:13 -0400
Subject: Script editor - non-existent changes.
In-Reply-To: <42D401E9.5040308@tweedly.net>
References: <42D401E9.5040308@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <42D40875.4090606@sover.net>

I agree that this behavior is annoying.  It is one of the reasons I 
don't really trust the editor.  Neat that you were able to locate the 
reason for the bizarre behavior...

:)

Jon



Alex Tweedly wrote:

>
> One of the things that has annoyed me, on and off, about the script 
> editor is that it will ask me
>  "Do you want to apply the changes .....   [Apply]   [ Cancel]  [Don't 
> Apply]"
>
> even when I didn't think I had made any changes. Today, it got 
> annoying enough for me to investigate (rather than just curse under my 
> breath and carry on with what I was trying to do).
>
> The revScriptEditor script contains
>
>>   if pTheKey is among the items of "65361,65362,65363,65364,65360" then
>>     -- navigation key, arrow, home, end, change selection
>>     selectionChanged
>>     pass rawKeyUp
>>   end if
>
>
> Any other key will set the "modified" flag, and force the question to 
> be asked when the script editor is closed.
>
> So it looks to me as though:
> 1. regardless of what the comment says, the "home" key is in the list, 
> so it doesn't set the flag; the "end" key isn't, so it does set the flag
> 2. Even "unimportant" keys will set the flag (e.g. Ctl, Alt, etc.)
>
> Am I missing something ?  Can ctl or alt affect the content of the 
> script ?
> is there anything different between home and end keys that would 
> require this to be different ?
>
> I can (probably will) just change it and see what happens - but there 
> are too many key combinations to trust any results from simple 
> testing, so if anyone has answers to these questions it might save me 
> some time.
>
> Thanks,
>


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue Jul 12 14:17:05 2005
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:17:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: play videoClip "nameOfVideo" does not work, Please help
In-Reply-To: <B3880D71-4605-4237-886F-1E1D71922257@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507121116040.7090-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Also,  I may be wrong, but I think from a previous email of his that he
may have used a wmv format which I think is proprietary and perhaps
unsupported?

Anybody know about this?

Judy



From userev at canelasoftware.com  Tue Jul 12 14:17:41 2005
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:17:41 -0700
Subject: Ann:  Video player posted on RevNet
Message-ID: <AE775A6D-60A1-496A-89CF-D11C8822DF45@canelasoftware.com>

With all the talk about forwarding and rewinding video, I thought it  
might be useful to release a project I created as a proof of concept  
for video on demand.  It could really use a moment with Scott Rossi  
to make it look good.  The code is very short and simple.  It was  
designed to access a QT streaming server.  It could easily be  
modified with a single line change to work with videos locally.  If  
you need any help making changes, I am here to answer your questions.

You can take a look at how forwarding and rewinding was implemented  
for some ideas.  The stack can be found using RevNet and is called:   
CS Video on Demand


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Tue Jul 12 14:26:54 2005
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:26:54 -0700
Subject: building an audio player
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376096C@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376096C@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <p06230918bef9b7a58981@[10.71.0.208]>

HI,
Ban Nguyen, could you do us all a favor and EDIT your text a little 
before replying? --

1. Try and trim most of the quoted and viewed posts in your responses 
- cut it back to the essence where we can pick up the thread. Many 
people are on digests and to have so much unneeded verbiage could be 
considered rude.

2. If you must quote large bodies of text, then please put your new 
response up at the top of the email message.

3. This is what your posts look like to Eudora users in their mail browsers:


>From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
>[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Klaus 
>Major
>...snip...
>Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>subscription preferences:
>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution

What you said got snipped in my mail browser - Eudora looks at the 
first few lines and when it sees quotes, it puts in "...snip...". I 
never see what you said.

That's all I initially see in my mail browser, which is all I use to 
read email. I have to actually open your message and scroll down to 
read the new information.


thanks!
stephen barncard


From see3d at writeme.com  Tue Jul 12 14:58:52 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:58:52 -0400
Subject: Serial communication in Tiger
In-Reply-To: <B3DC1E4A-B251-42B4-953E-4DA355C9D044@mindspring.com>
References: <83B8946B-126E-4C5F-AF76-3DE4F15C4578@writeme.com>
	<B3DC1E4A-B251-42B4-953E-4DA355C9D044@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <67DDED41-7B0B-45A5-AC66-4A7CF87E1FDE@writeme.com>

Thanks Gordan,

I just found Sarah's "SerialTest.rev" stack and it can communicate to  
my device.  So I am home free now --just have to make a few  
adjustments to her stack.

Thanks also to Sarah --when you get here!
Dennis


On Jul 12, 2005, at 1:48 PM, Gordon Tillman wrote:

> Hi Dennis,
>
>
> On Jul 12, 2005, at 12:43, Dennis Brown wrote:
>
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I just ran into a problem that perhaps I can use Rev to solve, but  
>> I don't know if I can, or where to start looking, so perhaps one  
>> of you can point me in the right direction.
>>
>> I have a robotic glass cutting machine I built 12 years ago.  It  
>> uses a serial communications port to initially program its  
>> internal EPROM.  I used a Mac (since deceased) with a serial port  
>> and terminal communication software to send two small files to  
>> program the machine when I first built it.  Now the machine is  
>> acting up, and I have replacement chips for it, but I have to  
>> program them.  I use a Keyspan USB to Serial port device and  
>> driver which work with a serial terminal app.  I can communicate  
>> with all the hardware, but I can't control the app in the way I  
>> need to.
>>
>> All I need to do is send a file one character at a time to the  
>> device and wait for the echo before sending the next character -- 
>> piece of cake.
>>
>> Anyone know if I can use Rev to do this?
>>
>
> This should be no problem at all.  I wrote a complete driver for  
> both NCS/Pearson and ScanTron (bubble-form) scanners and had to do  
> much the same type of thing.  Works great on a Mac with the Keyspan  
> adapter.
>
> --gordon
>
>
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From revolution at jaedworks.com  Tue Jul 12 14:56:57 2005
From: revolution at jaedworks.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:56:57 -0700
Subject: play videoClip "nameOfVideo" does not work, Please help
In-Reply-To: <42D3E2AB.1070309@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E571@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
	<B3880D71-4605-4237-886F-1E1D71922257@byu.edu>
	<42D3E2AB.1070309@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <p0621026abef9bf928311@[192.168.2.153]>

At 10:32 AM -0500 7/12/2005, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>As long as we're talking about videoclips, is there a way to store a 
>QT movie as an imported file in a stack, but still set a player to 
>use it? I know I can write the movie to disk temporarily and play it 
>from there, but it would be cleaner if I could just refer to it in 
>the stack. Using the "play" command to run it doesn't give enough 
>control, I need to use a player object.

Aren't you describing a videoclip? The videoclip object is played 
through a player, so you can show its controller:

   set the showController of the templatePlayer to true
   play videoclip "My Clip"

Since playing a clip creates a temporary player for display, the 
settings of the templatePlayer are used when playing the clip.
-- 
jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
http://www.jaedworks.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jul 12 15:15:27 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:15:27 -0500
Subject: play videoClip "nameOfVideo" does not work, Please help
In-Reply-To: <p0621026abef9bf928311@[192.168.2.153]>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E571@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>	<B3880D71-4605-4237-886F-1E1D71922257@byu.edu>	<42D3E2AB.1070309@hyperactivesw.com>
	<p0621026abef9bf928311@[192.168.2.153]>
Message-ID: <42D416CF.1000801@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/12/05 1:56 PM, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote:

> At 10:32 AM -0500 7/12/2005, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>> As long as we're talking about videoclips, is there a way to store a 
>> QT movie as an imported file in a stack, but still set a player to use 
>> it? I know I can write the movie to disk temporarily and play it from 
>> there, but it would be cleaner if I could just refer to it in the 
>> stack. Using the "play" command to run it doesn't give enough control, 
>> I need to use a player object.
> 
> 
> Aren't you describing a videoclip? The videoclip object is played 
> through a player, so you can show its controller:
> 
>   set the showController of the templatePlayer to true
>   play videoclip "My Clip"
> 
> Since playing a clip creates a temporary player for display, the 
> settings of the templatePlayer are used when playing the clip.

Oh! Excellent, thank you! This is perfect. I should have known you'd 
know. ;)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From europe at ehug.info  Tue Jul 12 15:18:00 2005
From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:18:00 +0200
Subject: Script editor - non-existent changes.
In-Reply-To: <42D401E9.5040308@tweedly.net>
References: <42D401E9.5040308@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <42D41768.2050701@ehug.info>

Hi Alex,

You are completely right. Yet, if you decide to change it, then 
change it right. When the script editor opens, store the 
md5digest of the htmlText of fld "Script" in a custom property. 
When it closes, compare the new md5digest with the custom 
property and pop up the dialog if they are different.

Best regards,

Mark

Alex Tweedly wrote:
> 
> One of the things that has annoyed me, on and off, about the script 
> editor is that it will ask me
>  "Do you want to apply the changes .....   [Apply]   [ Cancel]  [Don't 
> Apply]"
> 
> even when I didn't think I had made any changes. Today, it got annoying 
> enough for me to investigate (rather than just curse under my breath and 
> carry on with what I was trying to do).
> 
> The revScriptEditor script contains
> 
>>   if pTheKey is among the items of "65361,65362,65363,65364,65360" then
>>     -- navigation key, arrow, home, end, change selection
>>     selectionChanged
>>     pass rawKeyUp
>>   end if
> 
> 
> Any other key will set the "modified" flag, and force the question to be 
> asked when the script editor is closed.
> 
> So it looks to me as though:
> 1. regardless of what the comment says, the "home" key is in the list, 
> so it doesn't set the flag; the "end" key isn't, so it does set the flag
> 2. Even "unimportant" keys will set the flag (e.g. Ctl, Alt, etc.)
> 
> Am I missing something ?  Can ctl or alt affect the content of the script ?
> is there anything different between home and end keys that would require 
> this to be different ?
> 
> I can (probably will) just change it and see what happens - but there 
> are too many key combinations to trust any results from simple testing, 
> so if anyone has answers to these questions it might save me some time.
> 
> Thanks,
> 

-- 

eHUG coordinator
mailto:europe at ehug.info
http://www.ehug.info
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mark.sch
http://www.economy-x-talk.com

Please inform me about vacancies in the field of
general economics at your institute. I am also looking
for new freelance programming projects.



From bann at sunncomm.com  Tue Jul 12 15:22:05 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:22:05 -0700
Subject: play videoClip "nameOfVideo" does not work, Please help
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E57A@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>

> 
>> As long as we're talking about videoclips, is there a way to store a 
>> QT movie as an imported file in a stack, but still set a player to
use 
>> it? I know I can write the movie to disk temporarily and play it from

>> there, but it would be cleaner if I could just refer to it in the 
>> stack. Using the "play" command to run it doesn't give enough
control, 
>> I need to use a player object.
> 
> 
> Aren't you describing a videoclip? The videoclip object is played 
> through a player, so you can show its controller:
> 
>   set the showController of the templatePlayer to true
>   play videoclip "My Clip"
> 
> Since playing a clip creates a temporary player for display, the 
> settings of the templatePlayer are used when playing the clip.

Oh! Excellent, thank you! This is perfect. I should have known you'd 
know. ;)



How do you set the location for this video?


From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Jul 12 15:25:36 2005
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:25:36 +0200
Subject: play videoClip "nameOfVideo" does not work, Please help
In-Reply-To: <p0621026abef9bf928311@[192.168.2.153]>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E571@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
	<B3880D71-4605-4237-886F-1E1D71922257@byu.edu>
	<42D3E2AB.1070309@hyperactivesw.com>
	<p0621026abef9bf928311@[192.168.2.153]>
Message-ID: <D8567019-A420-4AA2-A71F-36D125480E25@major-k.de>

Hi Jeanne,

> At 10:32 AM -0500 7/12/2005, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>> As long as we're talking about videoclips, is there a way to store  
>> a QT movie as an imported file in a stack, but still set a player  
>> to use it? I know I can write the movie to disk temporarily and  
>> play it from there, but it would be cleaner if I could just refer  
>> to it in the stack. Using the "play" command to run it doesn't  
>> give enough control, I need to use a player object.
>>
>
> Aren't you describing a videoclip? The videoclip object is played  
> through a player, so you can show its controller:
>
>   set the showController of the templatePlayer to true
>   play videoclip "My Clip"
>
> Since playing a clip creates a temporary player for display, the  
> settings of the templatePlayer are used when playing the clip.

Sure?

I thought the controller is a Quicktime-only feature...
And the "play" command does not use Quicktime (except on a mac)
as far as i know?

> -- 
> jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
> http://www.jaedworks.com

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Jul 12 15:29:44 2005
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:29:44 +0200
Subject: building an audio player
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376096C@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376096C@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <F37FB99E-DC50-4026-90F1-E33013333FCE@major-k.de>

Hi Ban,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use- 
> revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Klaus Major
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 10:54 AM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: building an audio player
>
> Xin ch?o Ban,
>> Xin ch?o Klaus,
>>
>> I am new to Revolution.  I am building an audio player.  So far I
>> got the play, stop, next, previous buttons work
>>
>> Do you have any idea to do the pause button and I want to use the
>> slider to control the audio id user want to play fast or play back
>> (you know what I mean)
> ...
> ------------->
> I used the "player" object but it did not work. How can I have a  
> list of songs in there?

How did you script the listfield with the "play" command?
I am sure we can quickly change that script to work with players, too

Since player objects will always reference a file, you can
"set the filename of player xyz to "Path to sound or video file"

> I want to use the slider to control the song forward and backward  
> and use another slider to make the volume
> Is there anyway to do that?

Short question: Can't you use the controller bar of player objects?

Thsi way you would eliminate the need for these 2 sliders (scrub +  
volume),
since they are already build in :-)
>
> Thank you very much for your help
> Ban

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From bann at sunncomm.com  Tue Jul 12 15:35:28 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:35:28 -0700
Subject: play videoClip "nameOfVideo" does not work, Please help
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E57B@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>


> At 10:32 AM -0500 7/12/2005, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>> As long as we're talking about videoclips, is there a way to store a 
>> QT movie as an imported file in a stack, but still set a player to
use 
>> it? I know I can write the movie to disk temporarily and play it from

>> there, but it would be cleaner if I could just refer to it in the 
>> stack. Using the "play" command to run it doesn't give enough
control, 
>> I need to use a player object.
> 
> 
> Aren't you describing a videoclip? The videoclip object is played 
> through a player, so you can show its controller:
> 
>   set the showController of the templatePlayer to true
>   play videoclip "My Clip"
> 
> Since playing a clip creates a temporary player for display, the 
> settings of the templatePlayer are used when playing the clip.

Oh! Excellent, thank you! This is perfect. I should have known you'd 
know. ;)




How do you set the location for this video?








From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jul 12 15:36:03 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:36:03 -0500
Subject: play videoClip "nameOfVideo" does not work, Please help
In-Reply-To: <p0621026abef9bf928311@[192.168.2.153]>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E571@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>	<B3880D71-4605-4237-886F-1E1D71922257@byu.edu>	<42D3E2AB.1070309@hyperactivesw.com>
	<p0621026abef9bf928311@[192.168.2.153]>
Message-ID: <42D41BA3.10809@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/12/05 1:56 PM, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote:

> Since playing a clip creates a temporary player for display, the 
> settings of the templatePlayer are used when playing the clip.

So now if I want to stop the movie with the controller and then get rid 
of it, how do I remove it from the card? It only disappears if the movie 
completes and I can't find a way to set the currenttime to the duration.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From brad at activadesign.com  Tue Jul 12 15:40:32 2005
From: brad at activadesign.com (Brad Borch)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:40:32 -0400
Subject: simple questions
Message-ID: <db1689$sbh$1@sea.gmane.org>

1) Is there a function that executes when exiting edit mode and entering 
  browse mode (e.g., to automatically initialize variables)?

2) Is there a handler generated when focus is returned to a stack (say, 
after a modal or other type of substack is closed)?

3) Where do I "keep" images or other objects that will be used in 
buttons? Should I include them in the stack on a card that is not 
accessed, or just have them anywhere but invisible?



From mdswindell at charter.net  Tue Jul 12 15:46:50 2005
From: mdswindell at charter.net (Mark Swindell)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:46:50 -0700
Subject: play videoClip "nameOfVideo" does not work, Please help
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E57B@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E57B@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <57A1BEAC-25A3-4773-B698-9BA3AAF1A113@charter.net>


On Jul 12, 2005, at 12:35 PM, Ban Nguyen wrote:

>
> How do you set the location for this video?


Set the loc of player 1 to 100,100

Are you using the built-in  documentation at all for your project?

Mark

From mdswindell at charter.net  Tue Jul 12 15:52:18 2005
From: mdswindell at charter.net (Mark Swindell)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:52:18 -0700
Subject: play videoClip "nameOfVideo" does not work, Please help
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E57B@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E57B@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <F5FA2EAC-0AD5-4A33-B585-6CFA12BFCAF3@charter.net>

On Jul 12, 2005, at 12:35 PM, Ban Nguyen wrote:
>
> How do you set the location for this video?


The location of any object can be set by the following:

Set the loc of <object> to x,y

An object's location is a property of the object.

----
 From the docs:

location property  (any object)
loc
Platform support:
Introduced in version 1.0

Specifies where an object is.

set the location of object to point

if the location of button 1 is within the rect of field 1 then selectIt
set the location of this stack to the mouseLoc
---



Hope this helps,
Mark


From brad at activadesign.com  Tue Jul 12 15:54:26 2005
From: brad at activadesign.com (Brad Borch)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:54:26 -0400
Subject: random number help...
In-Reply-To: <8ade04c0e2c158abecad9d99ac921449@swcp.com>
References: <6.1.1.1.2.20050712105359.029d14a8@softseven.org>
	<8ade04c0e2c158abecad9d99ac921449@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <db172a$tsv$1@sea.gmane.org>

Dar Scott wrote:

> 
> On Jul 12, 2005, at 12:09 PM, Paul Salyers wrote:
> 
>> What I need to do is to do that 100 times and store the random number 
>> is an aray
> 
> 
> I'm not sure what you are asking for.  Maybe this gets you to walking 
> distance:
> 
>   repeat with i = 1 to 100
>     put random(6)-1 into a[i]
>   end repeat
> 
> Dar
> 
You can sort items (string items) by random:

sort items of myVar numeric \
      by random(the number of items in myVar)

Perhaps this works with an array? If not, put items in a container, sort 
by random, then put in array.

Brad



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue Jul 12 15:54:39 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:54:39 +0200
Subject: simple questions
In-Reply-To: <db1689$sbh$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <db1689$sbh$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <749D4396-B485-4A27-893F-4728FBF9D597@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Brad,

1. Have a look at the newTool message.
2. Have a look at the resumeStack message.
3. There are many ways to keep images you want to use as icons: both  
you mentioned may be used. Another one I use often is to put the  
images on the first card (nevertheless they can be accessed from any  
card, even in a substack, but it's more handy to know that you follow  
a rule to locate them easily) without hiding them but just putting  
them out of the card window (bottomRight at "-1,-1" for instance).

Hope this helps.

Le 12 juil. 05 ? 21:40, Brad Borch a ?crit :

> 1) Is there a function that executes when exiting edit mode and  
> entering  browse mode (e.g., to automatically initialize variables)?
>
> 2) Is there a handler generated when focus is returned to a stack  
> (say, after a modal or other type of substack is closed)?
>
> 3) Where do I "keep" images or other objects that will be used in  
> buttons? Should I include them in the stack on a card that is not  
> accessed, or just have them anywhere but invisible?

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue Jul 12 16:01:21 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:01:21 +0200
Subject: random number help...
In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20050712105359.029d14a8@softseven.org>
References: <6.1.1.1.2.20050712105359.029d14a8@softseven.org>
Message-ID: <4F29E798-991E-48DB-89FA-9F6CB23B2143@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Paul,

There are many ways that other nice guys pointed.
But I wonder...
Could you tell us why do you need an array?
In other words, what exactly your problem?
Then, may be :-) shall we be able to help you more efficiently?
I guess here an architecture issue rather than a code issue...

Le 12 juil. 05 ? 20:09, Paul Salyers a ?crit :

> I need help on putting a random number in a array.
>
> Here is my random code to get a random number 0-5:
>
> on mouseUp
>   put random(6) -1 onto tFNF1
>   put tFNF1 into field "FNF"
>   put random(6) -1 onto tSNF1
>   put tSNF1 into field "SNF"
> end mouseUp
>
>
> What I need to do is to do that 100 times and store the random  
> number is an aray
>
> I guess "repeat for 10 times" has replaced "For / Next"
>
> I can live with that, but how to I store the random number in an  
> array field eX:
>
> tFNF1 tFNF2 tFNF3 tFNF4 / tFNF100 the same for the tSNF
>
> Then I'll put the tFNF1-100 and tSNF1-100 into the correct fields  
> ad need be.

Best Regards from Paris,

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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Jul 12 16:13:40 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:13:40 -0700
Subject: Buggy debugger?
In-Reply-To: <BD242254-4955-48E2-85EE-462F1139D94E@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <p06200700bef8cbd78c79@[10.0.1.2]>
	<42D32EF7.4060800@hyperactivesw.com>
	<BD242254-4955-48E2-85EE-462F1139D94E@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <731108213.20050712131340@ahsoftware.net>

Eric-

Tuesday, July 12, 2005, 12:31:48 AM, you wrote:

EC> There is another case where the debugger does not work: when the
EC> stack name begin with "rev".
EC> It's not a bug but a feature, an annoying feature when you write  
EC> plugins ;-)


Take a look at the trace handler in the debugger button of the
revLibrary stack. It's revTargetStack() that's the culprit. Comment
out the true part of the conditional and leave everything after the
else - makes life bearable again.

NB: most of the time you want the default behavior - *not* tracing
through the rev stacks - as the debugger will trip over itself in
various ways. However, being able to drill down into the rev libraries
themselves is essential if you're developing plugins or working with
the libraries themselves. Caveat Revver.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue Jul 12 16:25:00 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:25:00 +0200
Subject: Buggy debugger?
In-Reply-To: <731108213.20050712131340@ahsoftware.net>
References: <p06200700bef8cbd78c79@[10.0.1.2]>
	<42D32EF7.4060800@hyperactivesw.com>
	<BD242254-4955-48E2-85EE-462F1139D94E@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<731108213.20050712131340@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <009AD82A-1AC8-4F29-A917-EDB540E8233F@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Mark,

Great tip :-)
At least for some of us.
Thank you a lot.
I am used to dig in Rev IDE scripts but since Rev displays a super  
warning message when you want to name a stack as revSomething, I took  
the habit to rename a plugin stack when finished.
The issue came when I want to make some corrections...
Thanks to you, I shall not be obliged to loose time switching the names.

Le 12 juil. 05 ? 22:13, Mark Wieder a ?crit :

> Tuesday, July 12, 2005, 12:31:48 AM, you wrote:
>
> EC> There is another case where the debugger does not work: when the
> EC> stack name begin with "rev".
> EC> It's not a bug but a feature, an annoying feature when you write
> EC> plugins ;-)
>
>
> Take a look at the trace handler in the debugger button of the
> revLibrary stack. It's revTargetStack() that's the culprit. Comment
> out the true part of the conditional and leave everything after the
> else - makes life bearable again.
>
> NB: most of the time you want the default behavior - *not* tracing
> through the rev stacks - as the debugger will trip over itself in
> various ways. However, being able to drill down into the rev libraries
> themselves is essential if you're developing plugins or working with
> the libraries themselves. Caveat Revver.

Best Regards from Paris,

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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jul 12 16:26:19 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:26:19 -0700
Subject: surprising filter benchmarks
Message-ID: <42D4276B.2080608@fourthworld.com>


I figured the filter command would carry at least some overhead for its 
convenience, but I had no idea how much!

I wrote the test below to compare it with walking through a list line by 
line, and the results were surprising:

on mouseUp
   put  fwdbCurTableData() into s -- gets 10,800 lines of
   --                                tab-delimited data
   --
   -- Method 1: filter command
   --
   put format("*a*\t*r*\tr\t*\t*\t*\t*\t*") into tFilter	
   put s into result1
   put the millisecs into t
   filter result1 with tFilter
   put the millisecs - t into t1
   --
   --
   -- Method 2: repeat for each
   --	
   set the itemdel to tab
   put the millisecs into t
   repeat for each line tLine in s
     if item 1 of tLine contains "a" \
         AND item 2 of tLine contains "r"\
         AND item 3 of tLine is "r" then
       put tLine&cr  after result2
     end if
   end repeat
   delete last char of result2
   put the millisecs - t into t2
   --
   put result1 into fld "result"
   put result2 into fld "result2"
   --
   put "Filter: "&t1 &cr& "Repeat: "&t2
end mouseUp



Results -
    Filter: 745
    Repeat: 40

Did I miss something, or am I just seeing the penalty for the filter 
command's generalization?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Tue Jul 12 16:40:09 2005
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:40:09 -0700
Subject: Buggy debugger -- solved?
In-Reply-To: <p06200707bef9aaf0d65a@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <p06200700bef8cbd78c79@[10.0.1.2]>
	<42D32EF7.4060800@hyperactivesw.com> <p06200707bef9aaf0d65a@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <p06200709bef9d3a05f6f@[10.0.1.2]>

It looks like this thread might die. I hope not. I hope a 
knowledgeable someone is going to reply. I'd sure appreciate it. I'm 
depending on you guys. I've searched the docs, learned nothing, and 
taken all advice offered so far. Where else can I turn?

The gist is, the debugger works fine in stack scripts, but I am not 
able to debug any background script. I'm talking about bg scripts 
that work perfectly, every time.

If I move any background script to the stack script, the debugger 
works perfectly. I can replicate the problem, every time. If I split 
a sequence of handlers between a background script and a stack 
script, I can debug those in the stack, but not those in the 
background.

Is this a bug or a feature? Is it well known? Documented? If so, 
where? If it's a bug, has it been reported? Has it been fixed?


Cheers,


Tim


>>On 7/11/05 8:34 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:
>>
>>>The details of my debugger frustration, previously described:
>>>
>>>>It works fine on, for example, a simple mouseUp script in a 
>>>>simple button. However, if the button sends a message to a 
>>>>handler in a stack script (for instance), which then sends 
>>>>another message to another handler, nested or not, the debugger 
>>>>won't follow along. "Script debug mode" is definitely turned on. 
>>>>Step Into, etc., are absent and/or dimmed out, typically. 
>>>>Sometimes, I can see the script window open, several windows 
>>>>back, but I can't get to it until the script is done executing. 
>>>>I've tried setting multiple breakpoints in each handler, tried 
>>>>setting breakpoints by script. The script rolls right past them.
>>
>>I think Eric mentioned this after you wrote last time, but the 
>>debugger doesn't track "send to" messages. It tracks everything 
>>else, but if you "send" a handler to another object the debugger 
>>won't follow along.
>>
>
>
>Thanks to Eric, Jacque and Mark on this thread. And thanks to Dan, again.
>
>First, let me clarify what happens, and what doesn't. The script 
>window opens at the breakpoint, but it does not come to the front, 
>and the script does not pause at the breakpoint. After the script is 
>done executing, I can move the script window to the front, but it 
>does me no good.
>
>Oops! I just solved part of the puzzle, but mysteries remain. Feel 
>free to skip to the second row of asterisks if you want. The details 
>lie between the asterisks if anyone is interested.
>
>
>************************** the dull details, perhaps now irrelevant, follow:
>
>
>Here's a typical sequence of events.
>
>On mouseup
>     get this
>     put that into field "theotherthing"
>     etc.
>      goForIt -- this is a message sent to the background script. The 
>bg script does receive it, and the script executes fine, but I can't 
>debug it.
>end mouseup
>
>Now, in the background script
>
>On goForIt
>      handler1 -- this massages some data, without changing stacks or 
>backgrounds. It terminates, so the script moves onto the next 
>handler in goForIt
>      handler2 -- more of the same
>      handler3 -- this goes to another stack, picks up some data and 
>returns. It also terminates
>      handler4 -- this is a handler that doesn't terminate. The next 
>handler is nested, in other words. Depending on an operator, it 
>calls either handler5 or handler6
>end goForIt
>
>The command "send" does not appear anywhere in this sequence.
>
>In reaction to the good comments of the good people on this thread, 
>and also in reaction to my desire not to look like a whiner or an 
>idiot, I re-tested. Same results. As follows:
>
>If I put the breakpoint in the button, the button script does open, 
>and I can "step into" through the lines of the button. Once the 
>script gets to the goForIt message, the script executes without 
>pausing, even though the window of the bg script opens.
>
>If I put the breakpoint at the beginning of the goForIt handler in 
>the bg script, at the the handler1 message, at the beginning of the 
>handler1 handler, in the middle of the handler1 handler, or all of 
>the above, or do the same with any other handler in this sequence, 
>the same thing happens. The script window opens, but it's not the 
>front window, and the script runs to completion, without pausing. 
>When the script has executed, the script window remains open.
>
>After reading the docs again, I realized that I can initiate 
>debugging when the error window opens. So, I deliberately placed an 
>error at various points in the goForIt handler, or in hanlder1, 
>handler2, etc. The debug button on the error window did respond, and 
>took me to the error. The script has paused, the script window 
>opens, but the debugger buttons at the bottom of the script window 
>(step into, etc.) are absent, and the corresponding items in the 
>debug window are dimmed out. The script stalls. All I can do is 
>remove the offending line, save, and run the script again.
>
>
>
>**************************  The more productive part starts below:
>
>
>
>Maybe there's something about background scrips. As I write this, it 
>strikes me that I've put most scripts of this nature in the 
>background script. I just tried a similar kind of 
>button-handler-handler-etc situation, where all the handlers are in 
>the stack script. These seem to debug just fine.
>
>Maybe this is why the debugger seems to have worked at some times, 
>not at others. I didn't notice the pattern before.
>
>Now I'm going back to the script described above. I'm moving 
>handler1 to the stack script. If I put the breakpoint at hanlder1 in 
>the stack script, I can "step into" all the way thru handler1. When 
>it terminates, and control reverts to the bg script, I can't debug 
>any further.
>
>My hypothesis is -- there is something different about bg scripts -- 
>maybe several things. In a way I hope so. I'm gonna feel really 
>stupid if no one can reproduce this issue at this point.
>
>If background scripts are "different," what's different about them? 
>I looked through the documentation pretty carefully, but didn't find 
>any mention of this.
>
>If others on the list haven't have this problem, maybe most 
>experienced users avoid background scripts, avoid turning on "behave 
>like a background" or don't have HCaddressing turned on. (In my 
>case, "behave like a background" and HCaddressing areturned on.) If 
>that's true, few people on the list would have noticed this issue. 
>It's also possible it's an OS X-only problem.
>
>Should I have known that the debugger doesn't work properly in bg 
>scripts? Or maybe this is an un-reported bug in the debugger?
>
>Your ever faithful fumbling amateur,
>
>
>Tim
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue Jul 12 16:46:26 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:46:26 +0200
Subject: surprising filter benchmarks
In-Reply-To: <42D4276B.2080608@fourthworld.com>
References: <42D4276B.2080608@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <A4FCF8FB-7752-4764-9C2A-7D6C7380A96F@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Richard,

I think the speed depends on the filter complexity.
For instance:

on mouseUp
   repeat 100000
     if random (2) = 1 then put "zaz" & cr after tList
     else put "zbz" & cr after tList
   end repeat
   -----
   put the milliseconds into tStart1
   filter tList with "*a*"
   put the milliseconds - tStart1 into tResult1
   -----
   put the milliseconds into tStart2
   repeat for each line tLine in tList
     if "a" is in tList then put tLine & cr after tNewList
   end repeat
   delete char -1 of tNewList
   put the milliseconds - tStart2 into tResult2
   -----
   put "Filter: " && tResult1 & cr &"Repeat:" &&  tResult2
end mouseUp

Results -
    Filter: 41
    Repeat: 117

So may be we have to choose the right method according to the context.
Two cents that do not make life easier :-)

Le 12 juil. 05 ? 22:26, Richard Gaskin a ?crit :

> I figured the filter command would carry at least some overhead for  
> its convenience, but I had no idea how much!
>
> I wrote the test below to compare it with walking through a list  
> line by line, and the results were surprising:
>
> on mouseUp
>   put  fwdbCurTableData() into s -- gets 10,800 lines of
>   --                                tab-delimited data
>   --
>   -- Method 1: filter command
>   --
>   put format("*a*\t*r*\tr\t*\t*\t*\t*\t*") into tFilter
>   put s into result1
>   put the millisecs into t
>   filter result1 with tFilter
>   put the millisecs - t into t1
>   --
>   --
>   -- Method 2: repeat for each
>   --
>   set the itemdel to tab
>   put the millisecs into t
>   repeat for each line tLine in s
>     if item 1 of tLine contains "a" \
>         AND item 2 of tLine contains "r"\
>         AND item 3 of tLine is "r" then
>       put tLine&cr  after result2
>     end if
>   end repeat
>   delete last char of result2
>   put the millisecs - t into t2
>   --
>   put result1 into fld "result"
>   put result2 into fld "result2"
>   --
>   put "Filter: "&t1 &cr& "Repeat: "&t2
> end mouseUp
>
>
>
> Results -
>    Filter: 745
>    Repeat: 40
>
> Did I miss something, or am I just seeing the penalty for the  
> filter command's generalization?

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From bann at sunncomm.com  Tue Jul 12 16:49:29 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:49:29 -0700
Subject: slide show questions???
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376096D@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>

Hello

I am using this code I found from this list:

I create a substack and put this code into it:

"
global the_advancing

on openCard
  send advanceSlide to me in 2 seconds
  global the_advancing
  put the result into the_advancing
end openCard

on advanceSlide
  visual dissolve
  go next cd
end advanceSlide

on mouseUp
  global the_advancing
end mouseUp

"
Then I create 4 cards, each card has one image.

It works fine but the substack pops up when I open the script panel.  

I wrote "close stack "gallery"" because I want to close this substack so
user can click on other button

Ay idea, please help


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue Jul 12 16:52:31 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:52:31 +0200
Subject: Buggy debugger -- solved?
In-Reply-To: <p06200709bef9d3a05f6f@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <p06200700bef8cbd78c79@[10.0.1.2]>
	<42D32EF7.4060800@hyperactivesw.com>
	<p06200707bef9aaf0d65a@[10.0.1.2]>
	<p06200709bef9d3a05f6f@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <E2AFA1BC-23A4-4BCD-A3B4-359CEA66BEDD@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Tim,

I made some tests in a "brand new" stack.
Works perfectly here.
Could be a specific issue in your stack?
As usual, when you get a problem, try to isolate it in a new stack.
There are so many parameters we often miss ;-)

Le 12 juil. 05 ? 22:40, Timothy Miller a ?crit :

> It looks like this thread might die. I hope not. I hope a  
> knowledgeable someone is going to reply. I'd sure appreciate it.  
> I'm depending on you guys. I've searched the docs, learned nothing,  
> and taken all advice offered so far. Where else can I turn?
>
> The gist is, the debugger works fine in stack scripts, but I am not  
> able to debug any background script. I'm talking about bg scripts  
> that work perfectly, every time.
>
> If I move any background script to the stack script, the debugger  
> works perfectly. I can replicate the problem, every time. If I  
> split a sequence of handlers between a background script and a  
> stack script, I can debug those in the stack, but not those in the  
> background.
>
> Is this a bug or a feature? Is it well known? Documented? If so,  
> where? If it's a bug, has it been reported? Has it been fixed?

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jul 12 17:06:51 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:06:51 -0500
Subject: Buggy debugger -- solved?
In-Reply-To: <p06200709bef9d3a05f6f@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <p06200700bef8cbd78c79@[10.0.1.2]>	<42D32EF7.4060800@hyperactivesw.com>
	<p06200707bef9aaf0d65a@[10.0.1.2]>
	<p06200709bef9d3a05f6f@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <42D430EB.9030808@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/12/05 3:40 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:

> The gist is, the debugger works fine in stack scripts, but I am not able 
> to debug any background script. I'm talking about bg scripts that work 
> perfectly, every time.
> 
> If I move any background script to the stack script, the debugger works 
> perfectly. I can replicate the problem, every time. If I split a 
> sequence of handlers between a background script and a stack script, I 
> can debug those in the stack, but not those in the background.
> 
> Is this a bug or a feature? Is it well known? Documented? If so, where? 
> If it's a bug, has it been reported? Has it been fixed?


It sounds like another anomaly with your stack; I've never had any 
problems debugging background scripts. If you create a new stack with a 
single shared background you will probably find that it debugs 
perfectly. I'm afraid these very old HC stacks have their own 
personalities. If the stack was created with HC 1.0, even worse. :(

One test you might try is to create a new mainstack with a new 
background group. Copy your bg script into the new group. Then see if 
the debugger works there.

Another thing to try: copy your bg script to a word processor. Look for 
unusual characters. BBEdit is good because it can show you invisibles. 
Remove everything that isn't strictly ASCII text, then paste the script 
back into your background and see if it behaves any differently. HC used 
to add some junk you couldn't see sometimes.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue Jul 12 17:07:17 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 23:07:17 +0200
Subject: slide show questions???
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376096D@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376096D@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <056C6105-F723-4DF8-A9DC-D6F36538FF83@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Ban,

I really don't know where you have found this weird code ;-)
You might try something like the following you will put in your  
stack's script:

on openCard
   if the number of this cd = the number of cds then exit to top
   -- slide show is finished
   send NextSlide to me in 2 seconds
end openCard
-----
on NextSlide
   visual effect dissolve -- [very] slow, [very] fast, etc.
   go next cd
end NextSlide

Le 12 juil. 05 ? 22:49, Ban Nguyen a ?crit :

> I am using this code I found from this list:
>
> I create a substack and put this code into it:
>
> "
> global the_advancing
>
> on openCard
>   send advanceSlide to me in 2 seconds
>   global the_advancing
>   put the result into the_advancing
> end openCard
>
> on advanceSlide
>   visual dissolve
>   go next cd
> end advanceSlide
>
> on mouseUp
>   global the_advancing
> end mouseUp

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jul 12 17:10:23 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:10:23 -0700
Subject: surprising filter benchmarks
In-Reply-To: <A4FCF8FB-7752-4764-9C2A-7D6C7380A96F@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <42D4276B.2080608@fourthworld.com>
	<A4FCF8FB-7752-4764-9C2A-7D6C7380A96F@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <42D431BF.6050505@fourthworld.com>

Eric Chatonet wrote:
> Hi Richard,
> 
> I think the speed depends on the filter complexity.
> For instance:
> 
> on mouseUp
>   repeat 100000
>     if random (2) = 1 then put "zaz" & cr after tList
>     else put "zbz" & cr after tList
>   end repeat
>   -----
>   put the milliseconds into tStart1
>   filter tList with "*a*"
>   put the milliseconds - tStart1 into tResult1
>   -----
>   put the milliseconds into tStart2
>   repeat for each line tLine in tList
>     if "a" is in tList then put tLine & cr after tNewList
>   end repeat
>   delete char -1 of tNewList
>   put the milliseconds - tStart2 into tResult2
>   -----
>   put "Filter: " && tResult1 & cr &"Repeat:" &&  tResult2
> end mouseUp
> 
> Results -
>    Filter: 41
>    Repeat: 117

To get cleaner results I think the second test's "is in tList" should be 
"is in tLine", which also cuts execution time down dramatically.

But the central point remains:  with a small number of criteria the 
filter command does a fine job compared to repeat loops, but for complex 
criteria (in my app it's rare that we'll ever have fewer than three 
distinct comparisons) "repeat for each" does well.

Another advantage of "repeat for each" is that it allows "or" in additon 
to "and", which would require multiple passes with "filter", and makes 
it easy to structure comparisons using parentheses to control the order 
of precedence.

For the moment I'm sticking with the repeat loop for the situation I'm 
currently using it in, but it's good to know that filter is quick for 
simple searches.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


> 
> So may be we have to choose the right method according to the context.
> Two cents that do not make life easier :-)
> 
> Le 12 juil. 05 ? 22:26, Richard Gaskin a ?crit :
> 
>> I figured the filter command would carry at least some overhead for  
>> its convenience, but I had no idea how much!
>>
>> I wrote the test below to compare it with walking through a list  line 
>> by line, and the results were surprising:
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>   put  fwdbCurTableData() into s -- gets 10,800 lines of
>>   --                                tab-delimited data
>>   --
>>   -- Method 1: filter command
>>   --
>>   put format("*a*\t*r*\tr\t*\t*\t*\t*\t*") into tFilter
>>   put s into result1
>>   put the millisecs into t
>>   filter result1 with tFilter
>>   put the millisecs - t into t1
>>   --
>>   --
>>   -- Method 2: repeat for each
>>   --
>>   set the itemdel to tab
>>   put the millisecs into t
>>   repeat for each line tLine in s
>>     if item 1 of tLine contains "a" \
>>         AND item 2 of tLine contains "r"\
>>         AND item 3 of tLine is "r" then
>>       put tLine&cr  after result2
>>     end if
>>   end repeat
>>   delete last char of result2
>>   put the millisecs - t into t2
>>   --
>>   put result1 into fld "result"
>>   put result2 into fld "result2"
>>   --
>>   put "Filter: "&t1 &cr& "Repeat: "&t2
>> end mouseUp
>>
>>
>>
>> Results -
>>    Filter: 745
>>    Repeat: 40
>>
>> Did I miss something, or am I just seeing the penalty for the  filter 
>> command's generalization?



From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Jul 12 17:17:05 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:17:05 +0100
Subject: surprising filter benchmarks
In-Reply-To: <42D4276B.2080608@fourthworld.com>
References: <42D4276B.2080608@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <42D43351.7030907@tweedly.net>

Richard Gaskin wrote:

>
> I figured the filter command would carry at least some overhead for 
> its convenience, but I had no idea how much!
>
> I wrote the test below to compare it with walking through a list line 
> by line, and the results were surprising:
>
> on mouseUp
>   put  fwdbCurTableData() into s -- gets 10,800 lines of
>   --                                tab-delimited data
>   --
>   -- Method 1: filter command
>   --
>   put format("*a*\t*r*\tr\t*\t*\t*\t*\t*") into tFilter   
>   put s into result1

Richard, I'm too busy (lazy??) to create some data and test this for 
timings right now, but this filter is more complex than you need - it 
verifies that there are the right number of tabs. You could simplify it to
put format("*a*\t*r*\tr\t*") into tFilter

and should get the same results more quickly.

-- Alex.

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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Jul 12 17:19:59 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:19:59 -0700
Subject: Buggy debugger -- solved?
In-Reply-To: <p06200707bef9aaf0d65a@[10\.0\.1\.2]>
References: <p06200700bef8cbd78c79@[10.0.1.2]>
	<42D32EF7.4060800@hyperactivesw.com> <p06200707bef9aaf0d65a@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <1395086734.20050712141959@ahsoftware.net>

Timothy-

Tuesday, July 12, 2005, 11:13:26 AM, you wrote:

TM> If background scripts are "different," what's different about them? I
TM> looked through the documentation pretty carefully, but didn't find
TM> any mention of this.

Take a look at Richard Gaskin's tutorial stack on the message-passing
hierarchy.

http://support.runrev.com/scriptingconferences/

TM> Should I have known that the debugger doesn't work properly in bg
TM> scripts? Or maybe this is an un-reported bug in the debugger?

While I haven't had any problems running the debugger in background
scripts I haven't used HCaddressing in a long time. Just tried
breakpoints in a background script to make sure I wasn't deluding
myself and it still works.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue Jul 12 17:21:42 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 23:21:42 +0200
Subject: surprising filter benchmarks
In-Reply-To: <42D431BF.6050505@fourthworld.com>
References: <42D4276B.2080608@fourthworld.com>
	<A4FCF8FB-7752-4764-9C2A-7D6C7380A96F@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<42D431BF.6050505@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <5A31BB70-A953-4F22-8BD8-2203DF76FD52@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Richard,

You are right, I made an error writing tList instead of tLine (then  
we gain about 25/30%).
But unfortunately it's not enough to say that a method or another is  
always the better one.
That would be good news...

Le 12 juil. 05 ? 23:10, Richard Gaskin a ?crit :

> Eric Chatonet wrote:
>
>> Hi Richard,
>> I think the speed depends on the filter complexity.
>> For instance:
>> on mouseUp
>>   repeat 100000
>>     if random (2) = 1 then put "zaz" & cr after tList
>>     else put "zbz" & cr after tList
>>   end repeat
>>   -----
>>   put the milliseconds into tStart1
>>   filter tList with "*a*"
>>   put the milliseconds - tStart1 into tResult1
>>   -----
>>   put the milliseconds into tStart2
>>   repeat for each line tLine in tList
>>     if "a" is in tList then put tLine & cr after tNewList
>>   end repeat
>>   delete char -1 of tNewList
>>   put the milliseconds - tStart2 into tResult2
>>   -----
>>   put "Filter: " && tResult1 & cr &"Repeat:" &&  tResult2
>> end mouseUp
>> Results -
>>    Filter: 41
>>    Repeat: 117
>>
>
> To get cleaner results I think the second test's "is in tList"  
> should be "is in tLine", which also cuts execution time down  
> dramatically.
>
> But the central point remains:  with a small number of criteria the  
> filter command does a fine job compared to repeat loops, but for  
> complex criteria (in my app it's rare that we'll ever have fewer  
> than three distinct comparisons) "repeat for each" does well.
>
> Another advantage of "repeat for each" is that it allows "or" in  
> additon to "and", which would require multiple passes with  
> "filter", and makes it easy to structure comparisons using  
> parentheses to control the order of precedence.
>
> For the moment I'm sticking with the repeat loop for the situation  
> I'm currently using it in, but it's good to know that filter is  
> quick for simple searches.
>



From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Jul 12 17:21:51 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:21:51 +0100
Subject: surprising filter benchmarks
In-Reply-To: <42D43351.7030907@tweedly.net>
References: <42D4276B.2080608@fourthworld.com> <42D43351.7030907@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <42D4346F.5020707@tweedly.net>

Alex Tweedly wrote:

>    You could simplify it to
> put format("*a*\t*r*\tr\t*") into tFilter
>
> and should get the same results more quickly.
>
No you can't - I'll go back to sleep now ....
(You need all that    \t*\t sequence  to ensure the  *a* is in the first 
item - right ?)

-- 
Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net



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From ps1 at softseven.org  Tue Jul 12 19:29:20 2005
From: ps1 at softseven.org (Paul Salyers)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:29:20 -0700
Subject: random number help...
In-Reply-To: <4F29E798-991E-48DB-89FA-9F6CB23B2143@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <6.1.1.1.2.20050712105359.029d14a8@softseven.org>
	<4F29E798-991E-48DB-89FA-9F6CB23B2143@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20050712162416.028fb658@softseven.org>

At 01:01 PM 7/12/2005, you wrote:
>Hi Paul,
>
>There are many ways that other nice guys pointed.
>But I wonder...
>Could you tell us why do you need an array?
>In other words, what exactly your problem?
>Then, may be :-) shall we be able to help you more efficiently?
>I guess here an architecture issue rather than a code issue...


I'm building a math program for school age kids. It will preselect the 
numbers to be used in the math program "Flash Cards"

the program puts up "2 X 2 = [] "  the user types a "4" in  the text box 
then the program goes on to the next math problem.

Not really rocket sciences but a way for kids to study math & hopefully 
improve their grades.


Paul Salyers
PS1 - Senior Rep.
PS1 at softseven.org
Http://ps1.SoftSeven.org




From hershrev at realtorsgroup.us  Tue Jul 12 17:36:54 2005
From: hershrev at realtorsgroup.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:36:54 -0400
Subject: Printing one card on multiple pages
Message-ID: <BEF9B036.30F8%hershrev@realtorsgroup.us>

Hi I have a long fld I'd need to break it up into a few pages, how do I do
it ?
Thanks, Hershel



From bann at sunncomm.com  Tue Jul 12 17:50:35 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:50:35 -0700
Subject: slide show questions???
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376096E@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>


You might try something like the following you will put in your  
stack's script:

on openCard
   if the number of this cd = the number of cds then exit to top
   -- slide show is finished
   send NextSlide to me in 2 seconds
end openCard
-----
on NextSlide
   visual effect dissolve -- [very] slow, [very] fast, etc.
   go next cd
end NextSlide

---------------------------------------------

Thanks for your help

I tried this and it work fine but it pops up on top of other card and
play
I have 1 main stack: Home
And 3 substacks: gallery, about, and partner 

Stack gallery has 4 cards: pic1, pic2, pic3, pic4
I put the above script into gallery's stack

On the home stack I have 4 buttons : Home, gallery, about, partner.  I
put this code "go stack ....." into each button

For some reason after clicking on gallery (see it fine with the slide
show) but after I clicked on the next button (example button about to go
to about page) the gallery pops up on top of it.  Don't know why......

Please help thank you very much


From WSUMNER at im.wustl.edu  Tue Jul 12 18:11:16 2005
From: WSUMNER at im.wustl.edu (Sumner,Walt)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:11:16 -0500
Subject: surprising filter benchmarks
Message-ID: <EB28C3A3BEC5CB439DB58F3623CFDD1002798D22@imex4.im.wustl.edu>

The difference is quite a bit smaller if the loop checks the number of items,
as the filter is designed to do. Still usually a 3 to 6 fold difference, loop
being faster.

...
if item 1 of tLine contains "a" \
        ???????? AND item 2 of tLine contains "r"\
        ???????? AND item 3 of tLine is "r" \
        AND number of items of tLine is 8\  <--------- new
    then
...

Filter: 277
Repeat: 61

----------- You wrote -----------
From: Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
Subject: surprising filter benchmarks
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <42D4276B.2080608 at fourthworld.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed


I figured the filter command would carry at least some overhead for its
convenience, but I had no idea how much!

I wrote the test below to compare it with walking through a list line by
line, and the results were surprising:

on mouseUp
   put  fwdbCurTableData() into s -- gets 10,800 lines of
   --                                tab-delimited data
   --
   -- Method 1: filter command
   --
   put format("*a*\t*r*\tr\t*\t*\t*\t*\t*") into tFilter       
   put s into result1
   put the millisecs into t
   filter result1 with tFilter
   put the millisecs - t into t1
   --
   --
   -- Method 2: repeat for each
   --  
   set the itemdel to tab
   put the millisecs into t
   repeat for each line tLine in s
     if item 1 of tLine contains "a" \
         AND item 2 of tLine contains "r"\
         AND item 3 of tLine is "r" then
       put tLine&cr  after result2
     end if
   end repeat
   delete last char of result2
   put the millisecs - t into t2
   --
   put result1 into fld "result"
   put result2 into fld "result2"
   --
   put "Filter: "&t1 &cr& "Repeat: "&t2
end mouseUp



Results -
    Filter: 745
    Repeat: 40

Did I miss something, or am I just seeing the penalty for the filter
command's generalization?


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Jul 12 18:13:58 2005
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:13:58 -0700
Subject: Window Positioning Bug?
Message-ID: <BEF98EB6.1C401%scott@tactilemedia.com>

When I run the following script, I actually see the offscreen-intended
window appear every *other* time, in other words a reliable failure that
occurs 50% of the time:

on showWindow
  set topLeft of stack progind to 10000,10000
  palette stack progind
  put windowID of stack progind into tID
  import snapshot from rect (rect of grc pie of stack progind) of window tID
  close stack progind
  choose browse tool
end showWindow

(MacOSX 10.3.9)

The results are the same even if the position is set to negative numbers.
I've noticed this failure in other stacks but wasn't sure if this was a
result of my code.  Now it seems very repeatable, and I believe other folks
have mentioned window positioning problems as well.

Can anyone else verify this?  Is this a coding problem or bug?

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From mdswindell at charter.net  Tue Jul 12 18:15:31 2005
From: mdswindell at charter.net (Mark Swindell)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:15:31 -0700
Subject: Scrollbars in Rev
Message-ID: <DB956A17-C9E9-4632-81B7-32ED811A9167@charter.net>

What exactly are the built-in Rev scroll bars, sliders?  Can one get  
into the images they use and modify them, or create others and have  
them available, or does one have to roll one's own completely, ala  
Klaus's banana bar?  It would be cool to have more style options  
built in.

Thanks,
Mark


From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Jul 12 18:09:45 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 23:09:45 +0100
Subject: Script editor - non-existent changes.
In-Reply-To: <42D41768.2050701@ehug.info>
References: <42D401E9.5040308@tweedly.net> <42D41768.2050701@ehug.info>
Message-ID: <42D43FA9.7030108@tweedly.net>

Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Hi Alex,
>
> You are completely right. Yet, if you decide to change it, then change 
> it right. When the script editor opens, store the md5digest of the 
> htmlText of fld "Script" in a custom property. 

It already does that (I think).

> When it closes, compare the new md5digest with the custom property and 
> pop up the dialog if they are different.
>
It already does that (I think).

Apparently it doesn't do it properly - but it certainly has code that 
checks a number of custom props
  cCheckSum
  cCardSaved
  cDontCheck

I've found it difficult to debug this - I think I'm running into the 
issues of special cases for "revXxx" scripts, and even trying to put 
things to the msg box doesn't appear to work.

So I'm going to, for the short term, try making only the "dumb" change 
to the setting of the "modified" flag, and BZ it to let someone who 
hopefully has more background knowledge in how these things are supposed 
to fit together do it "right".
 
If that works (i.e. causes no problems, and makes it better, even if not 
completely cured), I'll post a stack to automate the change.

-- 
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Jul 12 18:24:14 2005
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:24:14 -0700
Subject: Scrollbars in Rev
In-Reply-To: <DB956A17-C9E9-4632-81B7-32ED811A9167@charter.net>
Message-ID: <BEF9911E.1C411%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Mark Swindell  wrote:

> What exactly are the built-in Rev scroll bars, sliders?  Can one get
> into the images they use and modify them, or create others and have
> them available, or does one have to roll one's own completely, ala
> Klaus's banana bar?

The latter.

Check the mail archives -- several folks have built custom slider routines,
and Malte Brill made one with a proportional thumb.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Tue Jul 12 18:45:11 2005
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:45:11 -0700
Subject: Buggy debugger -- solved?
In-Reply-To: <E2AFA1BC-23A4-4BCD-A3B4-359CEA66BEDD@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <p06200700bef8cbd78c79@[10.0.1.2]>
	<42D32EF7.4060800@hyperactivesw.com>	<p06200707bef9aaf0d65a@[10.0.1.2]>
	<p06200709bef9d3a05f6f@[10.0.1.2]>
	<E2AFA1BC-23A4-4BCD-A3B4-359CEA66BEDD@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <p0620070dbef9f68f8faa@[10.0.1.2]>

>Hi Tim,
>
>I made some tests in a "brand new" stack.
>Works perfectly here.
>Could be a specific issue in your stack?
>As usual, when you get a problem, try to isolate it in a new stack.
>There are so many parameters we often miss ;-)
>

Hi Eric,

Thanks very much for the extra effort.

I've gotten some back channel messages from Rev experts. Very nice 
and generous people here. No one thinks it's a bug. Everyone thinks 
there's something wrong with these stacks. Who am I to disagree?

If I started with a brand new stack and failed to replicate the 
error, I would be no better off than I am now. Meanwhile, I've run 
out of ideas about how to isolate the problem. I'm inclined to agree 
with the experts anyway. Probably not a bug.

In any case, I can move any script I need to debug to the stack 
script, temporarily or permanently. I don't even need to do that. I 
can always debug with the answer command. It's slow, but it always 
works. My main concern is that other odd behavior will eventually 
cause new and more serious problems, if I don't find the problem and 
solve it now.

I might try a new bare stack just out of curiosity, though. I'll let 
the list know.

In the interim, can anyone think of some bg, stack or global 
attribute that might need to be turned on or off?

I think I'm going to have to put my Rev consultant back on the 
payroll to solve this one.


Cheers,



Tim


From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Jul 12 18:45:48 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:45:48 -0500
Subject: passing quotes parameters to a 'send' message...
Message-ID: <42D4481C.4060609@chipp.com>

Hmmm
I know this isn't supposed to be this hard...

create a button named 'fred'

on mouseUp
   put the long name of me into tName
   send ("putInMsg" && tName) to me
end mouseUp

on putInMsg p
   put p
end putInMsg

I get nadda. I know the quotes are screwing it up someway. Do I need to 
encode with some sort of quote function?

I've tried

send ("putInMsg" && quote & tName & quote) to me

but this adds 2 quotes, 1 before and 1 after. I seem to remember being 
able to do it the first way before...

-Chipp



From revolution at jaedworks.com  Tue Jul 12 18:57:34 2005
From: revolution at jaedworks.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:57:34 -0700
Subject: passing quotes parameters to a 'send' message...
In-Reply-To: <42D4481C.4060609@chipp.com>
References: <42D4481C.4060609@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <p0621028abef9fb41800f@[192.168.2.153]>

At 5:45 PM -0500 7/12/2005, Chipp Walters wrote:
>Hmmm
>I know this isn't supposed to be this hard...
>
>create a button named 'fred'
>
>on mouseUp
>   put the long name of me into tName
>   send ("putInMsg" && tName) to me
>end mouseUp
>
>on putInMsg p
>   put p
>end putInMsg

Try

   send "putInMsg tName" to me
-- 
jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
http://www.jaedworks.com


From bann at sunncomm.com  Tue Jul 12 19:18:40 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:18:40 -0700
Subject: How to import track into player
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E57E@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>

Does anyone know how to import track into player object? Thank you









From yoursignup at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 12 19:19:22 2005
From: yoursignup at yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:19:22 -1000
Subject: passing quotes parameters to a 'send' message...
In-Reply-To: <42D4481C.4060609@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLIEODHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>

This worked for me.
All in button Fred:

on mouseUp
  put quote & the long name of me & quote into tName
  send "putInMsg" &&  tName to me
end mouseUp

on putInMsg tName
  answer "I got the" && tName
end putInMsg

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of Chipp
Walters
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 12:46 PM
To: Use-Revolution
Subject: passing quotes parameters to a 'send' message...


Hmmm
I know this isn't supposed to be this hard...

create a button named 'fred'

on mouseUp
   put the long name of me into tName
   send ("putInMsg" && tName) to me
end mouseUp

on putInMsg p
   put p
end putInMsg

I get nadda. I know the quotes are screwing it up someway. Do I need to
encode with some sort of quote function?

I've tried

send ("putInMsg" && quote & tName & quote) to me

but this adds 2 quotes, 1 before and 1 after. I seem to remember being
able to do it the first way before...

-Chipp

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From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Jul 12 19:24:27 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 00:24:27 +0100
Subject: passing quotes parameters to a 'send' message...
In-Reply-To: <p0621028abef9fb41800f@[192.168.2.153]>
References: <42D4481C.4060609@chipp.com>
	<p0621028abef9fb41800f@[192.168.2.153]>
Message-ID: <42D4512B.5050501@tweedly.net>

Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote:

>
> Try
>
>   send "putInMsg tName" to me

OK, it works. But *why* ?  In any other context,  the content of a 
quoted string is not evaluated -
put "putInmsg tName" after msg
puts that literal string into the message box.

Even stranger, you can also do
  send ("putInMsg extratext" && tName) to me
and in that case it comes through with the parameter set to
   extratext button "Button" of card id 1002 of stack "Untitled 1"

but removing the 'extratext' makes it not work.

I tried checking the docs (always an optimist), and it gives the example
    send "goThere" && field "Where To" to stack "Destination" in 30
I tried that (changing the destination to be "me") and that fails with 
the same problem Chipp reported.

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From revolution at jaedworks.com  Tue Jul 12 19:28:28 2005
From: revolution at jaedworks.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:28:28 -0700
Subject: play videoClip "nameOfVideo" does not work, Please help
In-Reply-To: <42D41BA3.10809@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E571@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
	<B3880D71-4605-4237-886F-1E1D71922257@byu.edu>
	<42D3E2AB.1070309@hyperactivesw.com>
	<p0621026abef9bf928311@[192.168.2.153]>
	<42D41BA3.10809@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <p06210288bef9f9c025ef@[192.168.2.153]>

At 2:36 PM -0500 7/12/2005, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>>Since playing a clip creates a temporary player for display, the 
>>settings of the templatePlayer are used when playing the clip.
>
>So now if I want to stop the movie with the controller and then get 
>rid of it, how do I remove it from the card? It only disappears if 
>the movie completes and I can't find a way to set the currenttime to 
>the duration.

Ugh. That I'm not sure about.

There doesn't seem to be a player reference while the thing is 
playing, either. It does return a number in the result that looks an 
awful lot like a pending message ID, but it isn't in the 
pendingMessages... Hmmm.
-- 
jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
http://www.jaedworks.com


From bann at sunncomm.com  Tue Jul 12 19:46:37 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:46:37 -0700
Subject: creating an animation banner
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376096F@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>

Hello everyone

I like to create an animation banner (with 3 images changing every 15
seconds) and ach image has it own like to its website.

Example 
when image 1 shows, user click on it, it will take to url1
when image 2 shows, user click on it, it will take to url2
........

Thank you for your help


From revdan at danshafer.com  Tue Jul 12 19:57:34 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:57:34 -0700
Subject: Printing one card on multiple pages
In-Reply-To: <BEF9B036.30F8%hershrev@realtorsgroup.us>
References: <BEF9B036.30F8%hershrev@realtorsgroup.us>
Message-ID: <AAEED8F8-CC10-416C-8E78-9D114ADEA7FF@danshafer.com>

Hershel....

It's not as easy as it should be.

You have two values to deal with. One is the formattedHeight of the  
field. The other is the height of the field.

As explained to me by Chipp Walters as part of my research into  
printing for my eBook on Basic Printing in Rev:

1. Put the text into the field.
2. If the formattedHeight is equal to or less than the height, you're  
done.
3. If not, go to the end of the text and start deleting lines or  
paragraphs or whatever you choose, each time checking formattedHeight  
against height.
4. When they match or formattedHeight is smaller than the field  
height, you can lop off the portion that fit into the field, create a  
new card with that field in a background group, put the remaining  
text into the field and start over again.

Ugly, eh?

Dan

On Jul 12, 2005, at 2:36 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:

> Hi I have a long fld I'd need to break it up into a few pages, how  
> do I do
> it ?
> Thanks, Hershel
>
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From yoursignup at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 12 20:05:55 2005
From: yoursignup at yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:05:55 -1000
Subject: passing quotes parameters to a 'send' message...
In-Reply-To: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLIEODHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLIEOEHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>

You know what's funny on this that I forgot to mention, if you leave out the
second *quote* as in

 put quote & the long name of me into tName

it still works and you don't get an extra quote at the end. But leave out
both quotes and you get nothing??? Must have something to do with there
being quotes in the long name of...

-Jim

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[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of Jim
Bufalini
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 1:19 PM
To: chipp at chipp.com; How to use Revolution
Subject: RE: passing quotes parameters to a 'send' message...


This worked for me.
All in button Fred:

on mouseUp
  put quote & the long name of me & quote into tName
  send "putInMsg" &&  tName to me
end mouseUp

on putInMsg tName
  answer "I got the" && tName
end putInMsg





From revdan at danshafer.com  Tue Jul 12 20:17:29 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:17:29 -0700
Subject: creating an animation banner
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376096F@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376096F@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <D38F75CC-0DD3-4D56-B258-B16A84BAE77C@danshafer.com>

Ban.....

It might be useful for you to spend some time reading the  
documentation and looking at sample stacks and tutorials *before* you  
attempt a multimedia application. You've been asking a lot of  
questions -- which is good. We love newbies here and we always try to  
help kindly. But every question you've asked so far could have been  
answered by you if you simply took the time to learn the language a bit.

This is like me trying to learn to speak Vietnamese (which I'm  
guessing is your native tongue) by interrupting you every few seconds  
to ask "how do you say this in Vietnamese?" without being willing to  
get some basic language skills and vocabulary first.

Please do not think I am criticizing you. And as you have seen, you  
will get lots of help. But I think you will benefit more in the long  
run if you will take the time to learn a bit more about Revolution  
and how it works. Then a lot of your questions will be answered for  
you before you ask them.




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author
http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
 From http://www.shafermedia.com/revolutionbooks.html






From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Jul 12 20:24:31 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 01:24:31 +0100
Subject: Problem with standalone built with Rev 2.6 ?
Message-ID: <42D45F3F.7070400@tweedly.net>


This is all on Win XP.

I have a stack, and built from it a standalone. When I run this (on any 
of 3 Win-XP machines), I regularly get a fatal error
  <app name> has encountered an error and needs to close
  (Please send an error report to Microsoft)

This usually happens within the first 2 minutes or so - and I've never 
got more than 5 minutes without crashing.

When I build the same app under 2.5 it is (apparently) ok.  I say 
apparently because I've only run it for 10 - 15 minutes; so it's 
possible that if I keep running it for longer, I'd see problems - but it 
certainly seems to be fine. (A slightly earlier version of the stack, 
built under 2.5, has been run for hours - but I have modified the stack 
slightly since then).

This is just a first warning that there might be a problem. I'm going to 
go off and submit a BZ report on this, and mark it as serious. Is there 
anything I could, or should, do to help debug it or to find a work-around ?

(If anyone would like to build a copy and see if it fails for you, the 
stacks can be downloaded from
 www.tweedly.net/RunRev/CribbageGame.zip
it decompresses into three stacks - Cribbage.rev is the one to run / build).

btw -as a game,  it (should) run just fine, but isn't quite ready for 
announcement in general because the UI is a bit unpolished, and it's 
still way too easy to beat the computer.

-- 
Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net



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From wouter.abraham at scarlet.be  Tue Jul 12 20:31:50 2005
From: wouter.abraham at scarlet.be (Buster)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 02:31:50 +0200
Subject: Window Positioning Bug?
In-Reply-To: <BEF98EB6.1C401%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <BEF98EB6.1C401%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <B50FB88D-A43E-42A1-9659-D57BABB53459@scarlet.be>

Hi Scott,

This works in Rev 2.6, OS X 10.4.1 without a flicker or reappearance  
of the stack.

on showWindow
   --set topLeft of stack progind to 10000,10000
   --palette stack progind
   go invisible stack progind
   go back
   set topLeft of stack progind to 10000,10000
   set the visible of stack progind to true
   put windowID of stack progind into tID
   import snapshot from rect (rect of grc 1 of stack progind) of  
window tID
   close stack progind
   choose browse tool
end showWindow

Better not set the style of  stack "Submarine" to palette or the  
import is done in the palette stack.

Changing window style or window shape on hidden or offscreen stacks  
will make the system redraw the window within the screen rect, hence  
the flicker or reappearance.
But why it is doing this every second time with your script, I don't  
know.
So if it is a bug or a coding problem is for others to decide.

Greetings,
Wouter

On 13 Jul 2005, at 00:13, Scott Rossi wrote:

> When I run the following script, I actually see the offscreen-intended
> window appear every *other* time, in other words a reliable failure  
> that
> occurs 50% of the time:
>
> on showWindow
>   set topLeft of stack progind to 10000,10000
>   palette stack progind
>   put windowID of stack progind into tID
>   import snapshot from rect (rect of grc pie of stack progind) of  
> window tID
>   close stack progind
>   choose browse tool
> end showWindow
>
> (MacOSX 10.3.9)
>
> The results are the same even if the position is set to negative  
> numbers.
> I've noticed this failure in other stacks but wasn't sure if this  
> was a
> result of my code.  Now it seems very repeatable, and I believe  
> other folks
> have mentioned window positioning problems as well.
>
> Can anyone else verify this?  Is this a coding problem or bug?
>
> Thanks & Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jul 12 20:57:38 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:57:38 -0500
Subject: play videoClip "nameOfVideo" does not work, Please help
In-Reply-To: <p06210288bef9f9c025ef@[192.168.2.153]>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E571@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>	<B3880D71-4605-4237-886F-1E1D71922257@byu.edu>	<42D3E2AB.1070309@hyperactivesw.com>	<p0621026abef9bf928311@[192.168.2.153]>	<42D41BA3.10809@hyperactivesw.com>
	<p06210288bef9f9c025ef@[192.168.2.153]>
Message-ID: <42D46702.2070300@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/12/05 6:28 PM, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote:

> At 2:36 PM -0500 7/12/2005, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>>> Since playing a clip creates a temporary player for display, the 
>>> settings of the templatePlayer are used when playing the clip.
>>
>>
>> So now if I want to stop the movie with the controller and then get 
>> rid of it, how do I remove it from the card? It only disappears if the 
>> movie completes and I can't find a way to set the currenttime to the 
>> duration.
> 
> 
> Ugh. That I'm not sure about.
> 
> There doesn't seem to be a player reference while the thing is playing, 
> either. It does return a number in the result that looks an awful lot 
> like a pending message ID, but it isn't in the pendingMessages... Hmmm.

Right. Well, I guess I'll have to go the route where I write the movie 
to disk temporarily. It was a valiant try. ;) Maybe Devin is right and I 
should feature-request it.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Jul 12 08:15:05 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 07:15:05 -0500
Subject: preserve vertical white space in XML?
In-Reply-To: <DA857F1A-F606-41E1-81D3-447D75864245@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <BEF91E79.524D%kray@sonsothunder.com>

> Ken... just a thought... you might sell more software if you had a
> full demo that timed out... even if you only gave it 24 hours or 72
> hours...
> 
> I generally always want to know what I'm getting. and since the
> standard ediiton of your XML library is locked... I can't see the
> scripts.

Thanks, I'll consider it... but the library is kind of a "black box", so I
was consdering people only needing access to the scripts if they were
wanting to change the default behavior... but as I'm in the middle of
upgrading the library, I'll think about your suggestion before I release the
next version.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/





From katir at hindu.org  Tue Jul 12 23:00:09 2005
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:00:09 -1000
Subject: CGI to send back a file to save
Message-ID: <C3D3A8E1-66F4-4430-80F6-40EAB1DA11CA@hindu.org>

Short version: I need to know the proper HTTP header to set to force  
a browser to save the incoming data to a file. (at least I *think*  
that's what I need to know.)

Long Scenario:

Goal: create a CGI that responds to a GET request that will  
automatically generate a

fooSoundFile.ram  "file in a variable"

  based on the query string e.g.

$QUERY_STRING = audioFile=hawaii_papayas.mp3

then the .ram filename should be "hawaii_papayas.ram"

and contain the string:

"http://www.himalayanacademy.com/audio/tropical_fruit_music/ 
hawaii_papayas.mp3"

[you should hear those papayas sing!]

Now, generating all that is a easy enough.

But the usual scenario is that you have all these .ram files prebuilt  
(which is what I am trying to avoid. Old .ram files lying around the  
web site are a *big* nuisance to maintain....) and the user clicks on  
a link

<a href="/audio/tropical_fruit_music/hawaii_papayas.ram">Real Player</a>

and the .ram file is downloaded-saved to the client side disk... Real  
Player is mapped to .ram in the internet helper apps, boots and reads  
this file and streams the audio.

I want the CGI to take over that process and serve the .ram file  
dynamically.

OK, so all I know how to do is:

put "http://www.himalayanacademy.com/audio/tropical_fruit_music/ 
hawaii_papayas.mp3" into tRamFile
http://www.himalayanacademy.com/audio/tropical_fruit_music/ 
hawaii_papayas.mp3

   put "Content-Type: text/plain" & cr
   put "Content-Length:" && the length of tRamFile & cr & cr
   put tRamFile

of course this is not going to work... that string will appear as a  
literal in the user's browser.  is it as simple as something like:

# just guessing.. I haven't a clue...

   put "Content-Type: binary/file" & cr
   put "Content-Length:" && the length of tRamFile & cr & cr
   put tRamFile

# where the browser can't read it, so it saves it

??

i.e. we can of course do a redirect, like this:
put
"http://www.himalayanacademy.com/audio/tropical_fruit_music/ 
hawaii_papayas.mp3" into tRamFile
put tRamFile into url ("file:" & "audio/tropical_fruit_music/ 
hawaii_papayas.ram")

   put "Status: 301 Moved Permanently" & cr
   put "Location: "  & http://www.himalayanacademy.com/audio/ 
tropical_fruit_music/hawaii_papayas.ram" & cr & cr

But, then I end up once again, with all these .ram files on disk...  
so I was hoping to find a way to pipe it straight out of the CGI...  
i.e. to take what is coming back from port 80 and save it instead of  
trying to render it...maybe this is the wrong place to ask this... I  
will take it to Experts-Exchange if no one here knows.

TIA

Sivakatirswami







From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jul 12 23:19:50 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:19:50 -0700
Subject: is it me?
In-Reply-To: <C7B6E498-F306-4377-AD32-9ED20B0B2B5A@genesearch.com.au>
References: <42CCA73D.4090300@fourthworld.com>
	<C7B6E498-F306-4377-AD32-9ED20B0B2B5A@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <42D48856.10702@fourthworld.com>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>> It seems that buttons of style default do not give any visual  
>> indication that they're being pressed in Tiger, even with the  
>> autoHilite set to true.
>>
>> Have any of you seen this?
> 
> 
> Checking this with a dialog in Safari containing one normal button &  
> one default, this is what I get:
> with no mouse-click, default button pulses blue, other button just grey
> hold down mouse button on default button - pulsing stops
> hold down mouse button on other button - blue color leaves default  
> button and moves to other button, but does not pulse.
> 
> In Rev, the blue color does not leave the default button when another  
> button is clicked, and the pulsing does not stop while clicked. Apart  
> from these, OS X seems to allow for almost no feedback itself, so I'm  
> not sure it is really a Rev problem.

So the behavior is implemented differently in Rev than in other Aqua 
programs, confirmed?

I'll BZ it...

Done:
<http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2999>

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Jul 12 23:57:46 2005
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:57:46 -0600
Subject: passing quotes parameters to a 'send' message...
In-Reply-To: <42D4512B.5050501@tweedly.net>
References: <42D4481C.4060609@chipp.com>
	<p0621028abef9fb41800f@[192.168.2.153]>
	<42D4512B.5050501@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <f826ed9f098f890329006396e6c2522c@swcp.com>


On Jul 12, 2005, at 5:24 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

>> Try
>>
>>   send "putInMsg tName" to me
>
> OK, it works. But *why* ?  In any other context,  the content of a 
> quoted string is not evaluated -

Think of it as a 'do' that also specifies the message path location and 
maybe changes the defaultStack.

The statement is executed right up until the actual invocation (the 
parameters are evaluated by this time), and then there's an optional 
wait until some time, and then it is dropped into the message path 
pinball machine.

Dar

-- 
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     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming and software
**********************************************



From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Jul 13 00:37:08 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 23:37:08 -0500
Subject: Window Positioning Bug?
In-Reply-To: <BEF98EB6.1C401%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <BEF98EB6.1C401%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <42D49A74.9020800@chipp.com>

Hey man,

couple things you should consider trying.
1) check the windowBoundingRect and set it larger.
2) set the stack's formatForPrinting property to true, this will ignore 
the windowBoundingRect; be aware of editing any text of a stack who's 
formatForPrinting prop is true.
3) Don't use a palette, instead copy and paste the image to your topstack
4) Consider using some form of:

open inv stack "progInd"
set the topLeft of stack "progInd" to 1000,1000
show stack "progInd"

best,

Chipp



Scott Rossi wrote:
> When I run the following script, I actually see the offscreen-intended
> window appear every *other* time, in other words a reliable failure that
> occurs 50% of the time:
> 
> on showWindow
>   set topLeft of stack progind to 10000,10000
>   palette stack progind
>   put windowID of stack progind into tID
>   import snapshot from rect (rect of grc pie of stack progind) of window tID
>   close stack progind
>   choose browse tool
> end showWindow


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Jul 13 01:07:27 2005
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:07:27 -0700
Subject: Window Positioning Bug? [WORKAROUND]
In-Reply-To: <42D49A74.9020800@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <BEF9EF9F.1C460%scott@tactilemedia.com>

>> When I run the following script, I actually see the offscreen-intended
>> window appear every *other* time, in other words a reliable failure that
>> occurs 50% of the time:
>> 
>> on showWindow
>>   set topLeft of stack progind to 10000,10000
>>   palette stack progind
>>   put windowID of stack progind into tID
>>   import snapshot from rect (rect of grc pie of stack progind) of window tID
>>   close stack progind
>>   choose browse tool
>> end showWindow

> couple things you should consider trying.
> 1) check the windowBoundingRect and set it larger.
> 2) set the stack's formatForPrinting property to true, this will ignore
> the windowBoundingRect; be aware of editing any text of a stack who's
> formatForPrinting prop is true.
> 3) Don't use a palette, instead copy and paste the image to your topstack
> 4) Consider using some form of:
> 
> open inv stack "progInd"
> set the topLeft of stack "progInd" to 1000,1000
> show stack "progInd"

Thanks Chipp.  However the issue I'm trying to address is to reliably place
a stack offscreen, which is used in any number of routines (not just my
import script).  In my tests, setting the position of a stack to an
offscreen location fails every other time; the stack's mode is irrelevant.
Here's an even simper script that demonstrates the problem here on OSX:

Create a new stack "WinPosTest".  Create another new main stack named
"tester", set its main stack to WinPosTest, and save.  Create a button in
stack WinPosTest and give it the following script.

on mouseUp
  set topLeft of stack "tester" to 10000,-10000
  go stack "tester"
  wait 60 with messages
  close stack "tester"
end mouseUp

On my system, this fails every *other* time in that stack "tester" appears
near the top right of the monitor when it should really appear offscreen.
This seems like a bug to me unless I'm missing something.

In any event, I finally found what appears to be a workaround.  Setting the
stack's loc repeatedly to two different positions seems to get around the
problem and reliably place the stack offscreen:

on mouseUp
  repeat 2
    set topRight of stack "tester" to -10000,10000
    set topLeft of stack "tester" to 10000,-10000
  end repeat
  go stack "tester"
  wait 60 with messages
  close stack "tester"
end mouseUp

Not sure if anyone else is affected by this issue.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Jul 13 03:03:41 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 02:03:41 -0500
Subject: passing quotes parameters to a 'send' message...
In-Reply-To: <p0621028abef9fb41800f@[192.168.2.153]>
References: <42D4481C.4060609@chipp.com>
	<p0621028abef9fb41800f@[192.168.2.153]>
Message-ID: <42D4BCCD.7040502@chipp.com>

Jeanne,

Thanks, that is just too weird. Doesn't seem like it *should* work, but 
it does.

best,
Chipp

Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote:

> Try
> 
>   send "putInMsg tName" to me


From xbury.cs at clearstream.com  Wed Jul 13 03:25:54 2005
From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:25:54 +0200
Subject: Folder size
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Chris,

Is this for Mac or PC?

If it is for PC, there's a utility called "diruse.exe" in the Moft 
Resource kit that does this 
quite nicely... 

cheers
Xavier

On 12/07/2005 17:17:56 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>Hello folks -
>
>Anyone know if there is an easy way in Rev of getting the size of a
>folder (together with all it's sub-folders).  I know I can do a loop
>using "detailed files" and "detailed folders" but that seems a bit
>long-winded, and I'm sure I'd be re-inventing the wheel!  Is there
>another way, or is there an existing function anywhere that I can pinch?
>
>TIA
>
>Chris
>
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From chris at carroll-davis.co.uk  Wed Jul 13 04:15:55 2005
From: chris at carroll-davis.co.uk (Chris Carroll-Davis)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:15:55 +0100
Subject: Folder size
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Xavier -

Thanks for the tip.

Iit's for both Mac & PC really - but mainly mac at the moment.  Since  
posting, I've found that I can get the info I need with applescript -  
"Tell application "Finder" ... return physical size of folder  
"Folderpath"  ... End tell", but of course that's no good for PC.  I  
could look at your suggestion, but I need this to run on any machine  
- i.e. I can't rely on any other software being installed.   :-(

Looks like I might have to bite the bullet and do it with transcript  
eventually. Yuk.  I know for a decent programmer it is an easy job,  
but I'm getting old and brain is slow!

Thanks

Chris



On 13 Jul 2005, at 08:25, xbury.cs at clearstream.com wrote:

> Chris,
>
> Is this for Mac or PC?
>
> If it is for PC, there's a utility called "diruse.exe" in the Moft
> Resource kit that does this
> quite nicely...
>
> cheers
> Xavier
>
> On 12/07/2005 17:17:56 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>
>> Hello folks -
>>
>> Anyone know if there is an easy way in Rev of getting the size of a
>> folder (together with all it's sub-folders).  I know I can do a loop
>> using "detailed files" and "detailed folders" but that seems a bit
>> long-winded, and I'm sure I'd be re-inventing the wheel!  Is there
>> another way, or is there an existing function anywhere that I can  
>> pinch?
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Chris
>>
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed Jul 13 04:44:26 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:44:26 +0200
Subject: Folder size
In-Reply-To: <B6770535-D15B-432B-897E-4C9FE45EFD0B@carroll-davis.co.uk>
References: <OF1B8CC10D.25E35D12-ONC125703D.0028B4A5-C125703D.0028C063@deutsche-boerse.com>
	<B6770535-D15B-432B-897E-4C9FE45EFD0B@carroll-davis.co.uk>
Message-ID: <B95B152B-A9D8-4184-B49A-C02904A60F31@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hello Chris,

Here is a piece of code (from Frederic Rinaldi I think) which can get  
you started:
Params:
theFolder: path to the root folder you want to scan
addFullPath : boolean to get absolute (true) or relative path (false)
allInfos : boolean to get all information (true) or path only (false)

item 2 & 3 in the returned list with allInfos=true are the file size  
(data fork with Mac OS) and the resource fork size (Mac OS only, 0  
for others)

function AllFiles theFolder,addFullPath,allInfos
   --returns full path of all enclosed files
   local startFolder
   set cursor to busy
   if last char of theFolder is not "/"
   then put "/" after theFolder
   if startFolder is empty
   then put theFolder into startFolder

   set the defaultFolder to theFolder
   if the result is not empty
   then
     beep
     answer error "R?pertoire inexistant:" & return & return &  
theFolder titled "Erreur"
     exit to top
   end if

   put the detailed files into filesList
   filter filesList without ".*"
   filter filesList without "Icon%0D*"
   filter filesList without "*,MACSfdrp" -- remove folder aliases

   put the folders into foldersList
   filter foldersList without ".*"

   repeat for each line loopFolder in foldersList
     put AllFiles(thefolder & loopFolder & "/",addFullPath,allInfos)  
& return after resultList
   end repeat

   repeat with i=number of lines of filesList down to 1
     -- set cursor to busy
     if addFullPath
     then put MyURLEncode(theFolder) before line i of filesList
     if allInfos = false
     then put item 1 of line i of filesList into line i of filesList
   end repeat

   get resultList & filesList
   sort lines of it
   return word 1 to -1 of it -- strip empty lines
end AllFiles
------------------
function MyURLEncode what
   put URLEncode(what) into what
   replace "%2F" with "/" in what
   return what
end MyURLEncode

Le 13 juil. 05 ? 10:15, Chris Carroll-Davis a ?crit :

> Iit's for both Mac & PC really - but mainly mac at the moment.   
> Since posting, I've found that I can get the info I need with  
> applescript - "Tell application "Finder" ... return physical size  
> of folder "Folderpath"  ... End tell", but of course that's no good  
> for PC.  I could look at your suggestion, but I need this to run on  
> any machine - i.e. I can't rely on any other software being  
> installed.   :-(
>
> Looks like I might have to bite the bullet and do it with  
> transcript eventually. Yuk.  I know for a decent programmer it is  
> an easy job, but I'm getting old and brain is slow!
>
> Thanks
>
> Chris
>>
>>> Hello folks -
>>>
>>> Anyone know if there is an easy way in Rev of getting the size of a
>>> folder (together with all it's sub-folders).  I know I can do a loop
>>> using "detailed files" and "detailed folders" but that seems a bit
>>> long-winded, and I'm sure I'd be re-inventing the wheel!  Is there
>>> another way, or is there an existing function anywhere that I can  
>>> pinch?


Best Regards from Paris,

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From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Jul 13 05:09:22 2005
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:09:22 +0200
Subject: slide show questions???
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376096E@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376096E@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <2CA31530-B191-4AD1-B9E9-29E7DB13F05F@major-k.de>

Hi Ban,

> You might try something like the following you will put in your
> stack's script:
>
> on openCard
>    if the number of this cd = the number of cds then exit to top
>    -- slide show is finished
>    send NextSlide to me in 2 seconds
> end openCard
> -----
> on NextSlide
>    visual effect dissolve -- [very] slow, [very] fast, etc.
>    go next cd
> end NextSlide
>
> ---------------------------------------------
>
> Thanks for your help
>
> I tried this and it work fine but it pops up on top of other card and
> play
> I have 1 main stack: Home
> And 3 substacks: gallery, about, and partner
>
> Stack gallery has 4 cards: pic1, pic2, pic3, pic4
> I put the above script into gallery's stack
>
> On the home stack I have 4 buttons : Home, gallery, about, partner.  I
> put this code "go stack ....." into each button
>
> For some reason after clicking on gallery (see it fine with the slide
> show) but after I clicked on the next button (example button about  
> to go
> to about page) the gallery pops up on top of it.  Don't know why......
>
> Please help thank you very much

i think that you did not tell the slide show to STOP!
That's why the stack will pop up forever every 2 seconds, if closed ;-)

You need to add these two lines somewhere in your scripts to
actually stop the slide:

...
global the_advancing
cancel the_advancing ##!!!
go stack "whatsoever..."
...

This will really cancel the slide and you can start it again if you  
need...


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Jul 13 05:11:44 2005
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:11:44 +0200
Subject: How to import track into player
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E57E@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E57E@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <A35AEEE6-5CFD-42D0-A6BA-03529508CB6B@major-k.de>

Hi Ban,

> Does anyone know how to import track into player object? Thank you

i am afraid that you cannot do this with the built-in capabilities of  
Rev :-/

Please check the wonderful!!! Enhanced Quicktime External from Trevor  
DeVore,
maybe this does offer this feature...

Get it here:

http://www.mangomultimedia.com/developer/revolution/enhancedqt.html


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Jul 13 05:13:37 2005
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:13:37 +0200
Subject: creating an animation banner
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376096F@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376096F@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <60CD7F84-B5E5-4576-BD64-19F37F8BACE0@major-k.de>

Hi again, Ban :-)

> Hello everyone
>
> I like to create an animation banner (with 3 images changing every 15
> seconds) and ach image has it own like to its website.
>
> Example
> when image 1 shows, user click on it, it will take to url1
> when image 2 shows, user click on it, it will take to url2
> ........
>
> Thank you for your help

add a script to every image like:

on mouseup
    revgourl "http://www.server.com"
end mouseup

and you are done :-)


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Jul 13 05:15:30 2005
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:15:30 +0200
Subject: Scrollbars in Rev
In-Reply-To: <DB956A17-C9E9-4632-81B7-32ED811A9167@charter.net>
References: <DB956A17-C9E9-4632-81B7-32ED811A9167@charter.net>
Message-ID: <2EA8A16B-C99F-423B-A618-57418B5D3A26@major-k.de>

Hi Mark,

> What exactly are the built-in Rev scroll bars, sliders?  Can one  
> get into the images they use and modify them, or create others and  
> have them available,

i don't think so, since they are provided by the underlying OS, as  
far as i know...

> or does one have to roll one's own completely, ala Klaus's banana bar?

:-)

Yes, the latter...

> It would be cool to have more style options built in.

You bet! ;-)

> Thanks,
> Mark

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Jul 13 05:19:06 2005
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 02:19:06 -0700
Subject: Player will not play long file names!
In-Reply-To: <p06230901bef84f5c6833@[10.1.23.247]>
Message-ID: <BEFA2A9A.1C483%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, keith  wrote:

>>> As a work-around for this at the moment, try setting the filename of
>>> a player to a *real* file URL:
>>> e.g. file:///Volumes/Primary/Users/mark/Desktop/
>>> mask_with_a_really_really_really_long_filename.tiff

>> If you do
>> replace space with "%20" in tURL
>> then you should get the desired result. (i.e. don't urlEncode)

> So is this space-replacement trick a requirement in Rev 2.6 when
> dealing with long filenames?

It is a requirement for this method of using a file URL reference for the
player's filename.  Given that the alternative is to physically rename a
media file, this would seem to be a minor hassle.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
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From chris at carroll-davis.co.uk  Wed Jul 13 06:23:37 2005
From: chris at carroll-davis.co.uk (Chris Carroll-Davis)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:23:37 +0100
Subject: Folder size
In-Reply-To: <B95B152B-A9D8-4184-B49A-C02904A60F31@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <OF1B8CC10D.25E35D12-ONC125703D.0028B4A5-C125703D.0028C063@deutsche-boerse.com>
	<B6770535-D15B-432B-897E-4C9FE45EFD0B@carroll-davis.co.uk>
	<B95B152B-A9D8-4184-B49A-C02904A60F31@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <CF9C5DF2-64D8-49C8-9F5B-9E6882E238D3@carroll-davis.co.uk>

Eric -

thanks very much!  Yes, this is exactly what I need to get going.

The reason I need the routine is to burn a folder to a cd.  I now  
have that working on mac using applescript and shell commands - but  
before long I will have to have a go at windows (gulp!) so this code  
will save me hours!

Thanks,

Chris



On 13 Jul 2005, at 09:44, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hello Chris,
>
> Here is a piece of code (from Frederic Rinaldi I think) which can  
> get you started:
> Params:
> theFolder: path to the root folder you want to scan
> addFullPath : boolean to get absolute (true) or relative path (false)
> allInfos : boolean to get all information (true) or path only (false)
>
> item 2 & 3 in the returned list with allInfos=true are the file  
> size (data fork with Mac OS) and the resource fork size (Mac OS  
> only, 0 for others)
>
> function AllFiles theFolder,addFullPath,allInfos
>   --returns full path of all enclosed files
>   local startFolder
>   set cursor to busy
>   if last char of theFolder is not "/"
>   then put "/" after theFolder
>   if startFolder is empty
>   then put theFolder into startFolder
>
>   set the defaultFolder to theFolder
>   if the result is not empty
>   then
>     beep
>     answer error "R?pertoire inexistant:" & return & return &  
> theFolder titled "Erreur"
>     exit to top
>   end if
>
>   put the detailed files into filesList
>   filter filesList without ".*"
>   filter filesList without "Icon%0D*"
>   filter filesList without "*,MACSfdrp" -- remove folder aliases
>
>   put the folders into foldersList
>   filter foldersList without ".*"
>
>   repeat for each line loopFolder in foldersList
>     put AllFiles(thefolder & loopFolder & "/",addFullPath,allInfos)  
> & return after resultList
>   end repeat
>
>   repeat with i=number of lines of filesList down to 1
>     -- set cursor to busy
>     if addFullPath
>     then put MyURLEncode(theFolder) before line i of filesList
>     if allInfos = false
>     then put item 1 of line i of filesList into line i of filesList
>   end repeat
>
>   get resultList & filesList
>   sort lines of it
>   return word 1 to -1 of it -- strip empty lines
> end AllFiles
> ------------------
> function MyURLEncode what
>   put URLEncode(what) into what
>   replace "%2F" with "/" in what
>   return what
> end MyURLEncode
>
> Le 13 juil. 05 ? 10:15, Chris Carroll-Davis a ?crit :
>
>
>> Iit's for both Mac & PC really - but mainly mac at the moment.   
>> Since posting, I've found that I can get the info I need with  
>> applescript - "Tell application "Finder" ... return physical size  
>> of folder "Folderpath"  ... End tell", but of course that's no  
>> good for PC.  I could look at your suggestion, but I need this to  
>> run on any machine - i.e. I can't rely on any other software being  
>> installed.   :-(
>>
>> Looks like I might have to bite the bullet and do it with  
>> transcript eventually. Yuk.  I know for a decent programmer it is  
>> an easy job, but I'm getting old and brain is slow!
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello folks -
>>>>
>>>> Anyone know if there is an easy way in Rev of getting the size of a
>>>> folder (together with all it's sub-folders).  I know I can do a  
>>>> loop
>>>> using "detailed files" and "detailed folders" but that seems a bit
>>>> long-winded, and I'm sure I'd be re-inventing the wheel!  Is there
>>>> another way, or is there an existing function anywhere that I  
>>>> can pinch?
>>>>
>
>
> Best Regards from Paris,
>
> Eric Chatonet.
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From yoursignup at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 13 07:40:11 2005
From: yoursignup at yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 01:40:11 -1000
Subject: Window Positioning Bug? [WORKAROUND]
In-Reply-To: <BEF9EF9F.1C460%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLMEOIHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>

Scott,

>Thanks Chipp.  However the issue I'm trying to address is to reliably place
>a stack offscreen, which is used in any number of routines (not just my
>import script).

Ah-ha! Is this how to get around that picture flash that occurs during
*import*? I've tried lock screen, setting defaultStack to an invisible
stack, putting the default (invisible) stack *behind* another stack, etc.,
and nothing worked. Finally I just decided to call it a "feature." :) I
never thought of off screen!

This raises a second question, though. I run two monitors. How does Rev
address the second or more monitors (I believe the limit software wise in
WinXP is 9 monitors)? I notice, for example that the Documentation screen
reliably comes back, where I left it, on my second screen. But, the
Application Browser never returns to the second screen. I should mention, my
two screens have different resolutions, which is not uncommon.

I guess these two questions are related, so that when putting something
*offscreen* you don't accidently put it on someone else's other screen. :)

Jim




From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed Jul 13 07:48:06 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:48:06 +0200
Subject: Window Positioning Bug? [WORKAROUND]
In-Reply-To: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLMEOIHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
References: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLMEOIHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <820F9E48-63C3-4B34-97ED-E52433D646F0@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Jim,

If you set the bottomRight of a window to negative values (or at  
least "0,0"), this should never happen :-)

Le 13 juil. 05 ? 13:40, Jim Bufalini a ?crit :

> I guess these two questions are related, so that when putting  
> something
> *offscreen* you don't accidently put it on someone else's other  
> screen. :)

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Wed Jul 13 08:06:24 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:06:24 -0400
Subject: Window Positioning Bug? [WORKAROUND]
In-Reply-To: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLMEOIHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
References: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLMEOIHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2375454C-3399-4107-9BC5-5C4DB8239B68@conncoll.edu>


On Jul 13, 2005, at 7:40 AM, Jim Bufalini wrote:

> This raises a second question, though. I run two monitors. How does  
> Rev
> address the second or more monitors (I believe the limit software  
> wise in
> WinXP is 9 monitors)? I notice, for example that the Documentation  
> screen
> reliably comes back, where I left it, on my second screen.

Yes -- what it does _not_ do is come back (at all!) if it last  
appeared on the second screen and if the second screen was since  
disconnected. So --

> But, the
> Application Browser never returns to the second screen.

-- Rev seems to have a general problem with second displays on Mac.

> I should mention, my
> two screens have different resolutions, which is not uncommon.
>

Charles Hartman
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From yoursignup at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 13 08:59:13 2005
From: yoursignup at yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 02:59:13 -1000
Subject: Window Positioning Bug? [WORKAROUND]
In-Reply-To: <820F9E48-63C3-4B34-97ED-E52433D646F0@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLMEOJHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>

Eric,

> If you set the bottomRight of a window to negative values (or at least
"0,0"),
> this should never happen :-)

I just tested this, and this is incorrect. If you *place* your second
monitor at -1024, -768 (which, in my case, would be diagonally upper left of
the main monitor) and set the bottomRight of a stack to 0,0, this would
place the stack in that monitor. I guess the answer is to use really large
numbers.

Jim




From jbondy at sover.net  Wed Jul 13 09:11:37 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:11:37 -0400
Subject: ResizeStack help, please
Message-ID: <42D51309.20507@sover.net>

I have a handler in my Stack that displays an image.  In order to get 
the size of the image right, I have some special code to do the 
scaling.  In order to keep the image looking right when the user resizes 
the card/stack, I wrote a ResizeStack handler and put the image scaling 
code in the ResizeStack handler.

First confusion.  The name of the handler is ResizeStack, but it doesn't 
seem to work when it is put in the Stack. The documentation says that 
the message is sent to the Card, not the Stack, so I moved the handler 
to the Card, but it still is not called.

Does it matter where the ResizeStack handler is located?   This is more 
confusing than one would hope it would be.

Jon


From xbury.cs at clearstream.com  Wed Jul 13 09:13:57 2005
From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:13:57 +0200
Subject: ResizeStack help, please
In-Reply-To: <42D51309.20507@sover.net>
Message-ID: <OF40830126.E49F7269-ONC125703D.00489B27-C125703D.0048B0DB@deutsche-boerse.com>

Jon

I can confirm that resizestack works in cards, backgrounds or stacks and 
even frontscripts (just be careful debuging them)...

im sure the error is elsewhere

cheers
Xavier

On 13.07.2005 15:11:37 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>I have a handler in my Stack that displays an image.  In order to get
>the size of the image right, I have some special code to do the
>scaling.  In order to keep the image looking right when the user resizes
>the card/stack, I wrote a ResizeStack handler and put the image scaling
>code in the ResizeStack handler.
>
>First confusion.  The name of the handler is ResizeStack, but it doesn't
>seem to work when it is put in the Stack. The documentation says that
>the message is sent to the Card, not the Stack, so I moved the handler
>to the Card, but it still is not called.
>
>Does it matter where the ResizeStack handler is located?   This is more
>confusing than one would hope it would be.
>
>Jon
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From yoursignup at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 13 09:19:57 2005
From: yoursignup at yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 03:19:57 -1000
Subject: Window Positioning Bug? [WORKAROUND]
In-Reply-To: <2375454C-3399-4107-9BC5-5C4DB8239B68@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLOEOKHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>

Charles,

I don't know about Mac, but in the case of Windows, and only for screens
with a title bar, that show up in the Taskbar (Documentation window has one,
Application Browser doesn't), you can right click on the window in your
Taskbar and select Move, and then use the appropriate cursor keys to inch
the window back on to your main monitor, from a monitor that has been
removed.

Now I suppose, if somebody knows the names of the Application Browser and
Reference Documentation stacks, you could use your Message Box to set their
Locations back to your main monitor. Anyone?

Jim
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Charles Hartman [mailto:charles.hartman at conncoll.edu]
  Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 2:06 AM
  To: yoursignup at yahoo.com; How to use Revolution
  Subject: Re: Window Positioning Bug? [WORKAROUND]




  On Jul 13, 2005, at 7:40 AM, Jim Bufalini wrote:


    This raises a second question, though. I run two monitors. How does Rev

    address the second or more monitors (I believe the limit software wise
in

    WinXP is 9 monitors)? I notice, for example that the Documentation
screen

    reliably comes back, where I left it, on my second screen.




  Yes -- what it does _not_ do is come back (at all!) if it last appeared on
the second screen and if the second screen was since disconnected. So --


    But, the

    Application Browser never returns to the second screen.




  -- Rev seems to have a general problem with second displays on Mac.


    I should mention, my

    two screens have different resolutions, which is not uncommon.





  Charles Hartman
  Professor of English, Poet in Residence
  Connecticut College
  charles.hartman at conncoll.edu
  *the Scandroid* is at cherry.conncoll.edu/cohar/Programs.htm





From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed Jul 13 09:21:13 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:21:13 +0200
Subject: ResizeStack help, please
In-Reply-To: <42D51309.20507@sover.net>
References: <42D51309.20507@sover.net>
Message-ID: <00A40601-45A0-4DCC-AB78-904ADD900FB9@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Jon,

According to the message path hierarchy, a message sent to any card  
*always* goes on to the stack script if it is not triggered there.
May be I don't understand correctly but could you confuse the engine  
by naming your own messages as system ones?
You have to pass the resizeStack message too and if there is some  
geometry set with the geometry manager add a revUpdateGeometry  
command line in your resizeStack handler.
May be my tutorial about resizing could help you?

Le 13 juil. 05 ? 15:11, Jon a ?crit :

> I have a handler in my Stack that displays an image.  In order to  
> get the size of the image right, I have some special code to do the  
> scaling.  In order to keep the image looking right when the user  
> resizes the card/stack, I wrote a ResizeStack handler and put the  
> image scaling code in the ResizeStack handler.
>
> First confusion.  The name of the handler is ResizeStack, but it  
> doesn't seem to work when it is put in the Stack. The documentation  
> says that the message is sent to the Card, not the Stack, so I  
> moved the handler to the Card, but it still is not called.
>
> Does it matter where the ResizeStack handler is located?   This is  
> more confusing than one would hope it would be.


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed Jul 13 09:23:04 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:23:04 +0200
Subject: Window Positioning Bug? [WORKAROUND]
In-Reply-To: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLOEOKHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
References: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLOEOKHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6A8A8B03-276B-40A2-8544-62E7F97DA45E@sosmartsoftware.com>

revApplicationOverview and revDocs

Le 13 juil. 05 ? 15:19, Jim Bufalini a ?crit :

> Now I suppose, if somebody knows the names of the Application  
> Browser and
> Reference Documentation stacks, you could use your Message Box to  
> set their
> Locations back to your main monitor. Anyone?


Best Regards from Paris,

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From xbury.cs at clearstream.com  Wed Jul 13 09:23:22 2005
From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:23:22 +0200
Subject: Window Positioning Bug? [WORKAROUND]
In-Reply-To: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLOEOKHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OF1FA0565B.BA34DECE-ONC125703D.00495FE7-C125703D.00498D82@deutsche-boerse.com>

Guys,

Also, once you select the window, type alt-space - (the menu of the window 
(topleft corner) will
drop down, and all you need is to type M (as in "Move) and then use the 
arrows to put it back
where you want it. Type C to close the darn thing ;)

set the loc of this stack to 100,100 -- (or the mouseloc) should work 
also...

cheers
Xav

On 13.07.2005 15:19:57 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>Charles,
>
>I don't know about Mac, but in the case of Windows, and only for screens
>with a title bar, that show up in the Taskbar (Documentation window has 
one,
>Application Browser doesn't), you can right click on the window in your
>Taskbar and select Move, and then use the appropriate cursor keys to inch
>the window back on to your main monitor, from a monitor that has been
>removed.
>
>Now I suppose, if somebody knows the names of the Application Browser and
>Reference Documentation stacks, you could use your Message Box to set 
their
>Locations back to your main monitor. Anyone?
>
>Jim
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Charles Hartman [mailto:charles.hartman at conncoll.edu]
>Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 2:06 AM
>To: yoursignup at yahoo.com; How to use Revolution
>Subject: Re: Window Positioning Bug? [WORKAROUND]
>
>
>
>
>On Jul 13, 2005, at 7:40 AM, Jim Bufalini wrote:
>
>
>This raises a second question, though. I run two monitors. How does Rev
>
>address the second or more monitors (I believe the limit software wise
>in
>
>WinXP is 9 monitors)? I notice, for example that the Documentation
>screen
>
>reliably comes back, where I left it, on my second screen.
>
>
>
>
>Yes -- what it does _not_ do is come back (at all!) if it last appeared 
on
>the second screen and if the second screen was since disconnected. So --
>
>
>But, the
>
>Application Browser never returns to the second screen.
>
>
>
>
>-- Rev seems to have a general problem with second displays on Mac.
>
>
>I should mention, my
>
>two screens have different resolutions, which is not uncommon.
>
>
>
>
>
>Charles Hartman
>Professor of English, Poet in Residence
>Connecticut College
>charles.hartman at conncoll.edu
>*the Scandroid* is at cherry.conncoll.edu/cohar/Programs.htm
>
>
>
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From jbondy at sover.net  Wed Jul 13 09:38:28 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:38:28 -0400
Subject: maximizing the stack/card
Message-ID: <42D51954.5090203@sover.net>

On windows, when I try to maximize the window, it stops short of the top 
of the screen, as if it was trying to keep some space open for either 
the windows task bar or the Mac's menus.  Is there any way to get it to 
occupy the whole screen, reliably?

Thanks!

Jon


From yoursignup at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 13 09:56:18 2005
From: yoursignup at yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 03:56:18 -1000
Subject: Window Positioning Bug? [WORKAROUND]
In-Reply-To: <OF1FA0565B.BA34DECE-ONC125703D.00495FE7-C125703D.00498D82@deutsche-boerse.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLEEONHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>

Alt-space... Well, that makes the second new thing I learned today! :-)
  -----Original Message-----
  From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com [mailto:xbury.cs at clearstream.com]
  Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 3:23 AM
  To: yoursignup at yahoo.com; How to use Revolution
  Subject: RE: Window Positioning Bug? [WORKAROUND]



  Guys,

  Also, once you select the window, type alt-space - (the menu of the window
(topleft corner) will
  drop down, and all you need is to type M (as in "Move) and then use the
arrows to put it back
  where you want it. Type C to close the darn thing ;)

  set the loc of this stack to 100,100 -- (or the mouseloc) should work
also...

  cheers
  Xav

  On 13.07.2005 15:19:57 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
  >Charles,
  >
  >I don't know about Mac, but in the case of Windows, and only for screens
  >with a title bar, that show up in the Taskbar (Documentation window has
one,
  >Application Browser doesn't), you can right click on the window in your
  >Taskbar and select Move, and then use the appropriate cursor keys to inch
  >the window back on to your main monitor, from a monitor that has been
  >removed.
  >
  >Now I suppose, if somebody knows the names of the Application Browser and
  >Reference Documentation stacks, you could use your Message Box to set
their
  >Locations back to your main monitor. Anyone?
  >
  >Jim
  >-----Original Message-----
  >From: Charles Hartman [mailto:charles.hartman at conncoll.edu]
  >Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 2:06 AM
  >To: yoursignup at yahoo.com; How to use Revolution
  >Subject: Re: Window Positioning Bug? [WORKAROUND]
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >On Jul 13, 2005, at 7:40 AM, Jim Bufalini wrote:
  >
  >
  >This raises a second question, though. I run two monitors. How does Rev
  >
  >address the second or more monitors (I believe the limit software wise
  >in
  >
  >WinXP is 9 monitors)? I notice, for example that the Documentation
  >screen
  >
  >reliably comes back, where I left it, on my second screen.
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >Yes -- what it does _not_ do is come back (at all!) if it last appeared
on
  >the second screen and if the second screen was since disconnected. So --
  >
  >
  >But, the
  >
  >Application Browser never returns to the second screen.
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >-- Rev seems to have a general problem with second displays on Mac.
  >
  >
  >I should mention, my
  >
  >two screens have different resolutions, which is not uncommon.
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >Charles Hartman
  >Professor of English, Poet in Residence
  >Connecticut College
  >charles.hartman at conncoll.edu
  >*the Scandroid* is at cherry.conncoll.edu/cohar/Programs.htm
  >
  >
  >
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed Jul 13 10:00:19 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:00:19 +0200
Subject: Window Positioning Bug? [WORKAROUND]
In-Reply-To: <6A8A8B03-276B-40A2-8544-62E7F97DA45E@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLOEOKHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
	<6A8A8B03-276B-40A2-8544-62E7F97DA45E@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <A13C6F13-9DD5-4CE5-A30F-91D35CC27D6C@sosmartsoftware.com>


Le 13 juil. 05 ? 15:23, Eric Chatonet a ?crit :

> revApplicationOverview and revDocs
>
> Le 13 juil. 05 ? 15:19, Jim Bufalini a ?crit :
>
>
>> Now I suppose, if somebody knows the names of the Application  
>> Browser and
>> Reference Documentation stacks, you could use your Message Box to  
>> set their
>> Locations back to your main monitor. Anyone?

For those who are interested, some other IDE stacks:

Answer Dialog
Ask Dialog
Color Chooser
execution error
file selector
Home
Magnify
Message Box
revAddDocsBookmarks
revAddLibraryStack
revAddProperty
revAnimation
revAnimationProperties
revApplicationOverview
revBrushpopup
revChangeCase
revColorPopup
revColorPopup
revCompatibilityBrushes1
revCompatibilityIcons1
revCompatibilityPatterns1
revCompatibilityPatterns2
revConnectionDetails
revCopyProfileProperty
revCustomCursors
revDBQuerySetup
revdocs
revDocs Edit Web Notes
revDocsImages
revEditDictionary
revEditionType
revErrorDisplay
revGeneralIcons
revGeneralPatterns
revHelpPopup
revIconChooser
revIcons
revLibAlu
revLibrary
revLicenseAgreement
revLineSizePopup
revMacCursors
revMenubar
revMessageWatcher
revObjectSelector
revPlaybackOptions
revPlugInEditor
revPreferences
revProfileOptions
revPropertyPalette
revprotectedicons
revRestore
revRotate
revRoundRadius
revSaving
revScriptEditor
revScriptFont
revSuppressMessages
revTemplatePalette
revTemplateScriptEditor
revTitleBarSelector
revTools

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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed Jul 13 10:02:53 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:02:53 +0200
Subject: maximizing the stack/card
In-Reply-To: <42D51954.5090203@sover.net>
References: <42D51954.5090203@sover.net>
Message-ID: <110A231F-F272-4481-B42E-49B574FA4016@sosmartsoftware.com>

Jon,
set the windowBoundingRect to the screenRect

Le 13 juil. 05 ? 15:38, Jon a ?crit :

> On windows, when I try to maximize the window, it stops short of  
> the top of the screen, as if it was trying to keep some space open  
> for either the windows task bar or the Mac's menus.  Is there any  
> way to get it to occupy the whole screen, reliably?

Best Regards from Paris,

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From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Wed Jul 13 10:06:37 2005
From: FlexibleLearning at aol.com (FlexibleLearning at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:06:37 EDT
Subject: maximizing the stack/card
Message-ID: <209.4e24e4d.300679ed@aol.com>

set the rect of this stack to the  screenRect

But you may wish to adjust this to accommodate the window's  titlebar.

/H


---
On windows, when I try to maximize the  window, it stops short of the top 
of the screen, as if it was trying to keep  some space open for either 
the windows task bar or the Mac's menus.  Is  there any way to get it to 
occupy the whole screen,  reliably?

Thanks!

Jon
---  



From jbondy at sover.net  Wed Jul 13 10:41:16 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:41:16 -0400
Subject: ResizeStack help, please
In-Reply-To: <00A40601-45A0-4DCC-AB78-904ADD900FB9@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <42D51309.20507@sover.net>
	<00A40601-45A0-4DCC-AB78-904ADD900FB9@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <42D5280C.3070408@sover.net>

Eric:

Thanks for the help.

First off, I'm not smart enough to "name my own messages", so that's 
right out <grin>!

I fiddled and I fiddled and after a while it just started working.  I 
have no idea what I did to make it work.  I was using a beta version of 
Constellation at one point, and then switched back to the Rev editors, 
but it is all a huge blur at this point.

The good news: it works now.  The bad news: I have no idea what went wrong.

Oh, well.  Sigh.  Life goes on.

:)

Jon

Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi Jon,
>
> According to the message path hierarchy, a message sent to any card  
> *always* goes on to the stack script if it is not triggered there.
> May be I don't understand correctly but could you confuse the engine  
> by naming your own messages as system ones?
> You have to pass the resizeStack message too and if there is some  
> geometry set with the geometry manager add a revUpdateGeometry  
> command line in your resizeStack handler.
> May be my tutorial about resizing could help you?
>
> Le 13 juil. 05 ? 15:11, Jon a ?crit :
>
>> I have a handler in my Stack that displays an image.  In order to  
>> get the size of the image right, I have some special code to do the  
>> scaling.  In order to keep the image looking right when the user  
>> resizes the card/stack, I wrote a ResizeStack handler and put the  
>> image scaling code in the ResizeStack handler.
>>
>> First confusion.  The name of the handler is ResizeStack, but it  
>> doesn't seem to work when it is put in the Stack. The documentation  
>> says that the message is sent to the Card, not the Stack, so I  moved 
>> the handler to the Card, but it still is not called.
>>
>> Does it matter where the ResizeStack handler is located?   This is  
>> more confusing than one would hope it would be.
>
>
>
> Best Regards from Paris,
>
> Eric Chatonet.
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From jbondy at sover.net  Wed Jul 13 10:44:24 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:44:24 -0400
Subject: maximizing the stack/card
In-Reply-To: <110A231F-F272-4481-B42E-49B574FA4016@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <42D51954.5090203@sover.net>
	<110A231F-F272-4481-B42E-49B574FA4016@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <42D528C8.3040703@sover.net>

Thank you for telling me how to do it programatically.  My point was 
that, IMHO, normal behavior for an application running in Windows would 
be for this to happen automatically when the user clicks on the Maximize 
icon.  I'm not even sure I know how to tell if the user has tried to 
maximize the window or not.

:)

Jon

Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Jon,
> set the windowBoundingRect to the screenRect
>
> Le 13 juil. 05 ? 15:38, Jon a ?crit :
>
>> On windows, when I try to maximize the window, it stops short of  the 
>> top of the screen, as if it was trying to keep some space open  for 
>> either the windows task bar or the Mac's menus.  Is there any  way to 
>> get it to occupy the whole screen, reliably?
>
>
> Best Regards from Paris,
>
> Eric Chatonet.
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From mdswindell at charter.net  Wed Jul 13 10:55:04 2005
From: mdswindell at charter.net (Mark Swindell)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:55:04 -0700
Subject: Scrollbars in Rev
In-Reply-To: <2EA8A16B-C99F-423B-A618-57418B5D3A26@major-k.de>
References: <DB956A17-C9E9-4632-81B7-32ED811A9167@charter.net>
	<2EA8A16B-C99F-423B-A618-57418B5D3A26@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <C63D919A-533F-446A-832C-1DFDBC87D8C5@charter.net>


On Jul 13, 2005, at 2:15 AM, Klaus Major wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
>
>> What exactly are the built-in Rev scroll bars, sliders?  Can one  
>> get into the images they use and modify them, or create others and  
>> have them available,
>>
>
> i don't think so, since they are provided by the underlying OS, as  
> far as i know...
>
>

That was what I was wondering... whether the OS provided the slider  
graphics, and how that works internally since so many of the  
characteristics are rev properties.   As for rolling one's own, I  
guess that's the option to use for X-platform, as the sliders in  
Windows look terrible to my MacCentric eye.  But as scrollbars and  
sliders are very important tools I would think that there could be  
several built-in style options that would appear identically X-platform.

Mark


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed Jul 13 10:56:10 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:56:10 +0200
Subject: maximizing the stack/card
In-Reply-To: <42D528C8.3040703@sover.net>
References: <42D51954.5090203@sover.net>
	<110A231F-F272-4481-B42E-49B574FA4016@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<42D528C8.3040703@sover.net>
Message-ID: <B79F0355-C73C-4C62-B57A-F5358BDD772C@sosmartsoftware.com>

Jon,

By default, the windowBoundingRect varies according to the platform  
and the environment (IDE or stand alone):
It lets room for the task bar on Windows, the menubar on Mac OS and  
adds room for revMenubar + something for rev tools (??? ) when you  
are in the development environment.
Nevertheless, you can override this behaviour by setting it in a  
preOpenstack handler to suit your needs.

Le 13 juil. 05 ? 16:44, Jon a ?crit :

> Thank you for telling me how to do it programatically.  My point  
> was that, IMHO, normal behavior for an application running in  
> Windows would be for this to happen automatically when the user  
> clicks on the Maximize icon.  I'm not even sure I know how to tell  
> if the user has tried to maximize the window or not.


Best Regards from Paris,

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From revlist at cableone.net  Wed Jul 13 11:40:07 2005
From: revlist at cableone.net (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:40:07 -0600
Subject: I need help with custom cursors
Message-ID: <53AD4DA5-DB99-4055-819C-A171629EEBAF@cableone.net>

Hi All,

I know this subject has been brought up many times, but I can't seem  
to get the results I want.  I'm following all the steps as outlined  
in the docs, and I've even tried the few tricks that have been posted  
here in the past, but all my custom cursor images are still getting  
the colors inverted when I set them.

So here's what I've done.  I created a three-color gif image of an  
hourglass (using Paint Shop Pro 6):  black, white, and a sort of teal  
color set as the transparent color.  When I import the file into my  
stack, the image looks perfect.  But when I set the cursor to the id  
of my image, the colors are inverted.  Like I said, I even tried  
using Rev's drawing tools to edit the image cause that's a trick that  
everyone is saying works, but for some reason it didn't work in this  
case.  But what's weird is I swear I've done that in the past and it  
has worked.  So I don't know what the difference was, except that I  
was probably using a different version of Rev.  I'm now using 2.6  
(build 108) on WinXP.

If anyone has any other ideas, I would be most grateful.

Thanks,


------------------------------------------
Chris Sheffield
Read Naturally
The Fluency Company
http://www.readnaturally.com
------------------------------------------




From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Wed Jul 13 11:48:15 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:48:15 -0400
Subject: I need help with custom cursors
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445E4@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

Try this...

1) Pick an image used for one of Rev's prebuilt cursors.
(It will be in a folder labeled something like C:/program
files/Revolution 2.6/components/global environment - the stack is titled
revcursors)
2) Copy it over to your stack.
3) Change the image with revs image tools to suit your needs.
4) Set the cursor to the id of the image when appropriate.


The revcursors stack that contains cursor images has images for both mac
and win (they are labeled that way) - make sure you choose an image that
is appropriate for your OS.

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sheffield
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:40 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: I need help with custom cursors

Hi All,

I know this subject has been brought up many times, but I can't seem  
to get the results I want.  I'm following all the steps as outlined  
in the docs, and I've even tried the few tricks that have been posted  
here in the past, but all my custom cursor images are still getting  
the colors inverted when I set them.

So here's what I've done.  I created a three-color gif image of an  
hourglass (using Paint Shop Pro 6):  black, white, and a sort of teal  
color set as the transparent color.  When I import the file into my  
stack, the image looks perfect.  But when I set the cursor to the id  
of my image, the colors are inverted.  Like I said, I even tried  
using Rev's drawing tools to edit the image cause that's a trick that  
everyone is saying works, but for some reason it didn't work in this  
case.  But what's weird is I swear I've done that in the past and it  
has worked.  So I don't know what the difference was, except that I  
was probably using a different version of Rev.  I'm now using 2.6  
(build 108) on WinXP.

If anyone has any other ideas, I would be most grateful.

Thanks,


------------------------------------------
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http://www.readnaturally.com
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From jbondy at sover.net  Wed Jul 13 12:04:07 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:04:07 -0400
Subject: maximizing the stack/card
In-Reply-To: <B79F0355-C73C-4C62-B57A-F5358BDD772C@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <42D51954.5090203@sover.net>	<110A231F-F272-4481-B42E-49B574FA4016@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D528C8.3040703@sover.net>
	<B79F0355-C73C-4C62-B57A-F5358BDD772C@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <42D53B77.7090203@sover.net>

Eric,

Thanks.  On my windows system, the task bar is on the left, not on the 
bottom; and it auto-hides, rather than always being visible.  So, the 
correct behavior on my system would be for all applications to expand to 
fill the screen.  On other computers, this might NOT be the correct 
behavior.  Simply setting the windowsBoundingRect to the screenRect 
would be correct on my computer, but might screw someone else up.

This defect seems to me to be a minor bug in Rev.  Do you agree?

:)

Jon


Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Jon,
>
> By default, the windowBoundingRect varies according to the platform  
> and the environment (IDE or stand alone):
> It lets room for the task bar on Windows, the menubar on Mac OS and  
> adds room for revMenubar + something for rev tools (??? ) when you  
> are in the development environment.
> Nevertheless, you can override this behaviour by setting it in a  
> preOpenstack handler to suit your needs.
>
> Le 13 juil. 05 ? 16:44, Jon a ?crit :
>
>> Thank you for telling me how to do it programatically.  My point  was 
>> that, IMHO, normal behavior for an application running in  Windows 
>> would be for this to happen automatically when the user  clicks on 
>> the Maximize icon.  I'm not even sure I know how to tell  if the user 
>> has tried to maximize the window or not.
>
>
>
> Best Regards from Paris,
>
> Eric Chatonet.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> So Smart Software
>
> For institutions, companies and associations
> Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc.
> Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jul 13 13:03:28 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:03:28 -0700
Subject: maximizing the stack/card
In-Reply-To: <42D53B77.7090203@sover.net>
References: <42D51954.5090203@sover.net>	<110A231F-F272-4481-B42E-49B574FA4016@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D528C8.3040703@sover.net>	<B79F0355-C73C-4C62-B57A-F5358BDD772C@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<42D53B77.7090203@sover.net>
Message-ID: <42D54960.5050405@fourthworld.com>

Jon wrote:
> Eric,
> 
> Thanks.  On my windows system, the task bar is on the left, not on the 
> bottom; and it auto-hides, rather than always being visible.  So, the 
> correct behavior on my system would be for all applications to expand to 
> fill the screen.  On other computers, this might NOT be the correct 
> behavior.  Simply setting the windowsBoundingRect to the screenRect 
> would be correct on my computer, but might screw someone else up.
> 
> This defect seems to me to be a minor bug in Rev.  Do you agree?

It would be if the windowBoundingRect were fixed to one size for all 
machines.  But it's not:  it's calculated dynamically when the app 
starts, based on system calls which tells it the location and size of 
these elements.

It does a reliable job of accounting for the OS X Dock in all positions 
and sizes I've tested, and seems to do well with the Task Bar on Windows 
in all sizes I've tested on.  I haven't tested with a placement on the 
sides, but since it's using system calls for this I'd be surprised if it 
didn't also do that one well; if not then yes, that would be a bug.

The engine initializes the windowBoundingRect to be the full size of the 
main display less these trimmings.  The Rev IDE changes it to also 
account for its toolbar, which your app can do also if it needs to 
support a toolbar.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed Jul 13 13:14:14 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:14:14 +0200
Subject: maximizing the stack/card
In-Reply-To: <42D54960.5050405@fourthworld.com>
References: <42D51954.5090203@sover.net>	<110A231F-F272-4481-B42E-49B574FA4016@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D528C8.3040703@sover.net>	<B79F0355-C73C-4C62-B57A-F5358BDD772C@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<42D53B77.7090203@sover.net> <42D54960.5050405@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <0AA2B2C0-8F5C-40DC-AF06-5AB508E21643@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Richard,

Thanks for this clarification.
I wrote off list to Jon telling him:

> Before speaking about a bug or even a dysfunction, all this should  
> need some tests to know if Rev adjusts the windowBoundingRect  
> according to the presence, the side, etc. of the task bar or just  
> keeps x pixels at the bottom of the screen on Windows, at the top  
> on Mac OS.
> No time to dig in now: I'll release a new amazing plug-in to  
> morrow ;-)

So, you did it yet.
Thank you :-)

Le 13 juil. 05 ? 19:03, Richard Gaskin a ?crit :

> Jon wrote:
>
>> Eric,
>> Thanks.  On my windows system, the task bar is on the left, not on  
>> the bottom; and it auto-hides, rather than always being visible.   
>> So, the correct behavior on my system would be for all  
>> applications to expand to fill the screen.  On other computers,  
>> this might NOT be the correct behavior.  Simply setting the  
>> windowsBoundingRect to the screenRect would be correct on my  
>> computer, but might screw someone else up.
>> This defect seems to me to be a minor bug in Rev.  Do you agree?
>>
>
> It would be if the windowBoundingRect were fixed to one size for  
> all machines.  But it's not:  it's calculated dynamically when the  
> app starts, based on system calls which tells it the location and  
> size of these elements.
>
> It does a reliable job of accounting for the OS X Dock in all  
> positions and sizes I've tested, and seems to do well with the Task  
> Bar on Windows in all sizes I've tested on.  I haven't tested with  
> a placement on the sides, but since it's using system calls for  
> this I'd be surprised if it didn't also do that one well; if not  
> then yes, that would be a bug.
>
> The engine initializes the windowBoundingRect to be the full size  
> of the main display less these trimmings.  The Rev IDE changes it  
> to also account for its toolbar, which your app can do also if it  
> needs to support a toolbar.


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From jbondy at sover.net  Wed Jul 13 13:22:36 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:22:36 -0400
Subject: maximizing the stack/card
In-Reply-To: <42D54960.5050405@fourthworld.com>
References: <42D51954.5090203@sover.net>	<110A231F-F272-4481-B42E-49B574FA4016@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D528C8.3040703@sover.net>	<B79F0355-C73C-4C62-B57A-F5358BDD772C@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D53B77.7090203@sover.net>
	<42D54960.5050405@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <42D54DDC.90001@sover.net>

Richard:

"It does a reliable job of accounting for the OS X Dock in all positions 
and sizes I've tested, and seems to do well with the Task Bar on Windows 
in all sizes I've tested on.  I haven't tested with a placement on the 
sides, but since it's using system calls for this I'd be surprised if it 
didn't also do that one well; if not then yes, that would be a bug."

My point is that does NOT do a good job on my computer.  End of 
statement. It reserves space for a task bar that is not visible (auto 
hiding); and it does so along the wrong axis (vertical rather than 
horizontal).

I think this is a bug.  I'll BZ it now.

Jon


Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Jon wrote:
>
>> Eric,
>>
>> Thanks.  On my windows system, the task bar is on the left, not on 
>> the bottom; and it auto-hides, rather than always being visible.  So, 
>> the correct behavior on my system would be for all applications to 
>> expand to fill the screen.  On other computers, this might NOT be the 
>> correct behavior.  Simply setting the windowsBoundingRect to the 
>> screenRect would be correct on my computer, but might screw someone 
>> else up.
>>
>> This defect seems to me to be a minor bug in Rev.  Do you agree?
>
>
> It would be if the windowBoundingRect were fixed to one size for all 
> machines.  But it's not:  it's calculated dynamically when the app 
> starts, based on system calls which tells it the location and size of 
> these elements.
>
> It does a reliable job of accounting for the OS X Dock in all 
> positions and sizes I've tested, and seems to do well with the Task 
> Bar on Windows in all sizes I've tested on.  I haven't tested with a 
> placement on the sides, but since it's using system calls for this I'd 
> be surprised if it didn't also do that one well; if not then yes, that 
> would be a bug.
>
> The engine initializes the windowBoundingRect to be the full size of 
> the main display less these trimmings.  The Rev IDE changes it to also 
> account for its toolbar, which your app can do also if it needs to 
> support a toolbar.
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal
>  _______________________________________________________
>  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com
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From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Jul 13 13:25:21 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:25:21 -0500
Subject: maximizing the stack/card
In-Reply-To: <42D53B77.7090203@sover.net>
References: <42D51954.5090203@sover.net>	<110A231F-F272-4481-B42E-49B574FA4016@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D528C8.3040703@sover.net>	<B79F0355-C73C-4C62-B57A-F5358BDD772C@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<42D53B77.7090203@sover.net>
Message-ID: <42D54E81.4000403@chipp.com>

Jon,

You are too swift in calling something a bug. In fact, it's a feature, a 
great feature. How else, for instance, would you figure out the 'top of 
the taskbar' where you wanted to have a small message window pop out? Or 
whether the taskbar is on the side, bottom or top?

The reason why it doesn't work as you wish, is that on startup, the Rev 
IDE sets the windowBoundingRect explicitly to account for it's various 
toolbars. I would suggest they consider storing the 'old' wbrect in a 
property, so one could access it.

best,

Chipp

Jon wrote:

> This defect seems to me to be a minor bug in Rev.  Do you agree?


From jbondy at sover.net  Wed Jul 13 13:28:07 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:28:07 -0400
Subject: maximizing the stack/card
In-Reply-To: <0AA2B2C0-8F5C-40DC-AF06-5AB508E21643@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <42D51954.5090203@sover.net>	<110A231F-F272-4481-B42E-49B574FA4016@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D528C8.3040703@sover.net>	<B79F0355-C73C-4C62-B57A-F5358BDD772C@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D53B77.7090203@sover.net>
	<42D54960.5050405@fourthworld.com>
	<0AA2B2C0-8F5C-40DC-AF06-5AB508E21643@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <42D54F27.60500@sover.net>


>> The engine initializes the windowBoundingRect to be the full size  of 
>> the main display less these trimmings.  The Rev IDE changes it  to 
>> also account for its toolbar, which your app can do also if it  needs 
>> to support a toolbar.
>

It is a bit amusing that Rev reduces the vertical size of a maximized 
app so that the toolbar can be visible.  The toolbar is obscured almost 
all of the time by the myriad of mis-managed windows when run under 
Windows.  This token effort to keep things looking good is useless. 
Until the messy way that all of the Rev windows are managed, under 
Windows at least, any other ameliorative efforts are worthless.  If Rev 
managed <alt><tab> behavior correctly (the way people switch between 
applications under Windows) then the application could be correctly 
maximized without a problem. At the moment, the fact that Rev 
applications do not function as every other Windows application 
functions can only be viewed as a bug by anyone who uses Windows software.

And of rant.

Jon


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed Jul 13 13:33:36 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:33:36 +0200
Subject: maximizing the stack/card
In-Reply-To: <42D54F27.60500@sover.net>
References: <42D51954.5090203@sover.net>	<110A231F-F272-4481-B42E-49B574FA4016@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D528C8.3040703@sover.net>	<B79F0355-C73C-4C62-B57A-F5358BDD772C@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D53B77.7090203@sover.net>
	<42D54960.5050405@fourthworld.com>
	<0AA2B2C0-8F5C-40DC-AF06-5AB508E21643@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<42D54F27.60500@sover.net>
Message-ID: <F7ADD40A-AB62-4CEE-99EB-7E40742F5BAD@sosmartsoftware.com>

Jon,

I have the feeling that you made amazing progress with Rev since a  
few weeks.
Could you *also* tell us about all what Rev brought to you?
:-)

Le 13 juil. 05 ? 19:28, Jon a ?crit :

>>> The engine initializes the windowBoundingRect to be the full  
>>> size  of the main display less these trimmings.  The Rev IDE  
>>> changes it  to also account for its toolbar, which your app can  
>>> do also if it  needs to support a toolbar.
>>>
>>
>>
>
> It is a bit amusing that Rev reduces the vertical size of a  
> maximized app so that the toolbar can be visible.  The toolbar is  
> obscured almost all of the time by the myriad of mis-managed  
> windows when run under Windows.  This token effort to keep things  
> looking good is useless. Until the messy way that all of the Rev  
> windows are managed, under Windows at least, any other ameliorative  
> efforts are worthless.  If Rev managed <alt><tab> behavior  
> correctly (the way people switch between applications under  
> Windows) then the application could be correctly maximized without  
> a problem. At the moment, the fact that Rev applications do not  
> function as every other Windows application functions can only be  
> viewed as a bug by anyone who uses Windows software.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From jbondy at sover.net  Wed Jul 13 13:40:37 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:40:37 -0400
Subject: maximizing the stack/card
In-Reply-To: <42D54E81.4000403@chipp.com>
References: <42D51954.5090203@sover.net>	<110A231F-F272-4481-B42E-49B574FA4016@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D528C8.3040703@sover.net>	<B79F0355-C73C-4C62-B57A-F5358BDD772C@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D53B77.7090203@sover.net>
	<42D54E81.4000403@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <42D55215.4010509@sover.net>

When I maximize an app, the size is constrained (incorrectly), but the 
position is not.  I can put it anywhere I want to.  This is no way to 
"protect" either the Windows task bar or the Rev task bar (or whatever 
they call it).  It would be useless in that regard.  It is useless in 
that regard.

I continue to fail to see this as a feature of any kind.

That said, this seems to be develping into one of my Rants, so I think 
I'll just shut up.

Jon


Chipp Walters wrote:

> Jon,
>
> You are too swift in calling something a bug. In fact, it's a feature, 
> a great feature. How else, for instance, would you figure out the 'top 
> of the taskbar' where you wanted to have a small message window pop 
> out? Or whether the taskbar is on the side, bottom or top?
>
> The reason why it doesn't work as you wish, is that on startup, the 
> Rev IDE sets the windowBoundingRect explicitly to account for it's 
> various toolbars. I would suggest they consider storing the 'old' 
> wbrect in a property, so one could access it.
>
> best,
>
> Chipp
>
> Jon wrote:
>
>> This defect seems to me to be a minor bug in Rev.  Do you agree?
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jul 13 13:47:39 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:47:39 -0700
Subject: maximizing the stack/card
In-Reply-To: <42D54F27.60500@sover.net>
References: <42D51954.5090203@sover.net>	<110A231F-F272-4481-B42E-49B574FA4016@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D528C8.3040703@sover.net>	<B79F0355-C73C-4C62-B57A-F5358BDD772C@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D53B77.7090203@sover.net>	<42D54960.5050405@fourthworld.com>	<0AA2B2C0-8F5C-40DC-AF06-5AB508E21643@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<42D54F27.60500@sover.net>
Message-ID: <42D553BB.7060805@fourthworld.com>

Jon wrote:
> 
>>> The engine initializes the windowBoundingRect to be the full size  of 
>>> the main display less these trimmings.  The Rev IDE changes it  to 
>>> also account for its toolbar, which your app can do also if it  needs 
>>> to support a toolbar.
> 
> It is a bit amusing that Rev reduces the vertical size of a maximized 
> app so that the toolbar can be visible.  The toolbar is obscured almost 
> all of the time by the myriad of mis-managed windows when run under 
> Windows.  This token effort to keep things looking good is useless. 
> Until the messy way that all of the Rev windows are managed, under 
> Windows at least, any other ameliorative efforts are worthless.  If Rev 
> managed <alt><tab> behavior correctly (the way people switch between 
> applications under Windows) then the application could be correctly 
> maximized without a problem. At the moment, the fact that Rev 
> applications do not function as every other Windows application 
> functions can only be viewed as a bug by anyone who uses Windows software.

What should the desired behavior be?

I was unable to find a discussion about handling maximizing properly in 
a quick glance at the Win HIG.  Your guidance on where I can find that 
would be much appreciated.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From pixelbird at interisland.net  Wed Jul 13 14:33:50 2005
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:33:50 -0700
Subject: Scrollbars in Rev
In-Reply-To: <20050713170004.AC8D9824D49@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050713170004.AC8D9824D49@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <15578ec1903b45edc4521dd5ad2e395f@interisland.net>

Hi Mark,

> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:55:04 -0700
> From: Mark Swindell <mdswindell at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: Scrollbars in Rev
>
>
Leading thread =================

> On Jul 13, 2005, at 2:15 AM, Klaus Major wrote:
>
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>>
>>> What exactly are the built-in Rev scroll bars, sliders?  Can one
>>> get into the images they use and modify them, or create others and
>>> have them available,
>>>
>>
>> i don't think so, since they are provided by the underlying OS, as
>> far as i know...
>>
>>
Break ========================
>
> That was what I was wondering... whether the OS provided the slider
> graphics, and how that works internally since so many of the
> characteristics are rev properties.   As for rolling one's own, I
> guess that's the option to use for X-platform, as the sliders in
> Windows look terrible to my MacCentric eye.  But as scrollbars and
> sliders are very important tools I would think that there could be
> several built-in style options that would appear identically 
> X-platform.
=========================

Well, the caveat is that the OS' don't really offer much 'style' 
options other than those already usable by Rev. Are you concerned with 
appearance or mechanics?

Mechanical operations are a function of the engine's hooks into the 
appropriate control API's for the platform in question, which Rev 
refers to as properties. These are reliable, because Rev is only 
assigning these properties, and after that has nothing to do with it 
other than I/O values from events. In most if not all cases, the OS 
takes over and actually draws and operates the control from events.

IOW, if you make a totally custom scrollbar cobbled together from other 
Rev/MC objects, i.e., which operates from API's outside the standard 
ones for a particular control type, performance will surely suffer to 
some degree or other.

OTOH, you _can_ change _appearance themes_ from Aqua to something else 
(but not the operational properties), meaning it will be system-wide, 
not just your Rev application:

<http://www.unsanity.com/haxies/shapeshifter>

All the best,
Ken N.



From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Jul 13 14:46:18 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:46:18 +0100
Subject: maximizing the stack/card
In-Reply-To: <42D553BB.7060805@fourthworld.com>
References: <42D51954.5090203@sover.net>	<110A231F-F272-4481-B42E-49B574FA4016@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D528C8.3040703@sover.net>	<B79F0355-C73C-4C62-B57A-F5358BDD772C@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D53B77.7090203@sover.net>	<42D54960.5050405@fourthworld.com>	<0AA2B2C0-8F5C-40DC-AF06-5AB508E21643@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D54F27.60500@sover.net>
	<42D553BB.7060805@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <42D5617A.2040709@tweedly.net>

Richard Gaskin wrote:

>
> What should the desired behavior be?
>
> I was unable to find a discussion about handling maximizing properly 
> in a quick glance at the Win HIG.  Your guidance on where I can find 
> that would be much appreciated.
>
No idea what, if anything, MS's HIG says - but I can tell you what every 
(*) Windows program I've used in the last 10 years does - it maximizes 
the window to cover everything except any non-auto-hide taskbar. So if 
the task bar is set to auto-hide, then the window covers the entire 
visible screen; if not auto-hide, it covers the complete rectangle which 
doesn't overlap the task bar.

(*) every means literally every program I've used except Rev; I'm not 
aware of

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From revlist at cableone.net  Wed Jul 13 14:54:50 2005
From: revlist at cableone.net (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:54:50 -0600
Subject: I need help with custom cursors
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445E4@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445E4@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <B8014442-F065-4065-9D0E-D7A0A2B808CB@cableone.net>

Well, I tried your suggestion, Jonathan.  Unfortunately, it didn't  
work either.  I copied the pointer cursor over to my stack and drew  
in my hourglass image over the top of it.  After I finished my  
beautiful drawing, I set the cursor and the colors were still  
inverted.  How could this happen?  Could there be a bug?  Creating  
and using a custom cursor should not be this hard?

Does anyone else have any ideas?

Chris



On Jul 13, 2005, at 9:48 AM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:

> Try this...
>
> 1) Pick an image used for one of Rev's prebuilt cursors.
> (It will be in a folder labeled something like C:/program
> files/Revolution 2.6/components/global environment - the stack is  
> titled
> revcursors)
> 2) Copy it over to your stack.
> 3) Change the image with revs image tools to suit your needs.
> 4) Set the cursor to the id of the image when appropriate.
>
>
> The revcursors stack that contains cursor images has images for  
> both mac
> and win (they are labeled that way) - make sure you choose an image  
> that
> is appropriate for your OS.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Chris
> Sheffield
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:40 AM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: I need help with custom cursors
>
> Hi All,
>
> I know this subject has been brought up many times, but I can't seem
> to get the results I want.  I'm following all the steps as outlined
> in the docs, and I've even tried the few tricks that have been posted
> here in the past, but all my custom cursor images are still getting
> the colors inverted when I set them.
>
> So here's what I've done.  I created a three-color gif image of an
> hourglass (using Paint Shop Pro 6):  black, white, and a sort of teal
> color set as the transparent color.  When I import the file into my
> stack, the image looks perfect.  But when I set the cursor to the id
> of my image, the colors are inverted.  Like I said, I even tried
> using Rev's drawing tools to edit the image cause that's a trick that
> everyone is saying works, but for some reason it didn't work in this
> case.  But what's weird is I swear I've done that in the past and it
> has worked.  So I don't know what the difference was, except that I
> was probably using a different version of Rev.  I'm now using 2.6
> (build 108) on WinXP.
>
> If anyone has any other ideas, I would be most grateful.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> ------------------------------------------
> Chris Sheffield
> Read Naturally
> The Fluency Company
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>
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From jbondy at sover.net  Wed Jul 13 14:54:52 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:54:52 -0400
Subject: maximizing the stack/card
In-Reply-To: <42D5617A.2040709@tweedly.net>
References: <42D51954.5090203@sover.net>	<110A231F-F272-4481-B42E-49B574FA4016@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D528C8.3040703@sover.net>	<B79F0355-C73C-4C62-B57A-F5358BDD772C@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D53B77.7090203@sover.net>	<42D54960.5050405@fourthworld.com>	<0AA2B2C0-8F5C-40DC-AF06-5AB508E21643@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D54F27.60500@sover.net>	<42D553BB.7060805@fourthworld.com>
	<42D5617A.2040709@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <42D5637C.6020503@sover.net>

I agree with what Alex has written. 

The ONLY point I was trying to make is that programs created with Rev do 
not behave as do all other Windows programs.  The deviation in behavior 
is in some sense minor, but I see no reason why it has to deviate at 
all.  And explaining to a user why my software does not work like other 
Windows software just seems to be a waste of everyone's time.

I thought I said I would shut up.  Sigh.  I'll try to do it now!

:)

Jon


Alex Tweedly wrote:

> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>>
>> What should the desired behavior be?
>>
>> I was unable to find a discussion about handling maximizing properly 
>> in a quick glance at the Win HIG.  Your guidance on where I can find 
>> that would be much appreciated.
>>
> No idea what, if anything, MS's HIG says - but I can tell you what 
> every (*) Windows program I've used in the last 10 years does - it 
> maximizes the window to cover everything except any non-auto-hide 
> taskbar. So if the task bar is set to auto-hide, then the window 
> covers the entire visible screen; if not auto-hide, it covers the 
> complete rectangle which doesn't overlap the task bar.
>
> (*) every means literally every program I've used except Rev; I'm not 
> aware of
>


From bann at sunncomm.com  Wed Jul 13 15:06:22 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:06:22 -0700
Subject: showController for audio question???
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760970@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>

Hello,

I use this code for video and it works perfect
set the showController of the templatePlayer to true
play videoclip "My Clip"

I use the similar code for audio and it does not work.  It plays the
song but does not show the controller

set the showController of the templatePlayer to true
play audioclip "My Clip"

-------------------------
My problem is:  I have a list of 9 songs and I want to show them in a
list and let user click on one song at a time and play it

I use the scrolling list field to display those songs.  Here is the code
of the scrolling list field:

on mouseup
    global gClickVar
    select the clickLine
    put word 2 of the clickLine into gClickVar
   
   -- get the song name    
   put line gClickVar of field "audioList" into gClickVar    
   play audioClip gClickVar looping
    
end mouseup

----------------------
I create a play button.  Here is the code for the play button (it works
fine):

on mouseUp
  global gClickVar
     play audioClip gClickVar looping
end mouseUp

-------------------------
I also create the stop, prev and next button.  They works fine

-----------------------
My problem is I don't know how to create the volume slider to control
the volume

-----------------------
I use this code for the pause button:
on mouseUp
    global gClickVar
    play pause audioClip gClickVar
end mouseUp

It stops the song and plays the beginning of the song when I release the
mouse.  I want to pause it and click again to continue play (not
beginning)

---------------------
so that why I am trying to use this code so I don't have to worry about
volume and stuff...:

set the showController of the templatePlayer to true
play audioclip "My Clip"

but it does not work


---------
Does the player object play the imported song (import as a control) or
only play songs on the hard drive that you insert in the source
(C:\audio\songs....)


Please help me.  Anyone has any idea?  Thank you










From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Jul 13 15:28:46 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:28:46 +0100
Subject: maximizing the stack/card
In-Reply-To: <42D5617A.2040709@tweedly.net>
References: <42D51954.5090203@sover.net>	<110A231F-F272-4481-B42E-49B574FA4016@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D528C8.3040703@sover.net>	<B79F0355-C73C-4C62-B57A-F5358BDD772C@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D53B77.7090203@sover.net>	<42D54960.5050405@fourthworld.com>	<0AA2B2C0-8F5C-40DC-AF06-5AB508E21643@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D54F27.60500@sover.net>	<42D553BB.7060805@fourthworld.com>
	<42D5617A.2040709@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <42D56B6E.9040806@tweedly.net>

Alex Tweedly wrote:

> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>>
>> What should the desired behavior be?
>>
>> I was unable to find a discussion about handling maximizing properly 
>> in a quick glance at the Win HIG.
>
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnwue/html/ch07d.asp
or
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/winui/winui/windowsuserinterface/windowing/windows/windowfeatures.asp

Both of which say (paraphrased)
"by default a maximized window is full-screen, but the app can choose to 
make its maximized size be smaller or even larger than that"
 and also
"full-screen [taken] to exclude the system or appropriate application 
defined toolbars".

>> Your guidance on where I can find that would be much appreciated.
>>
> No idea what, if anything, MS's HIG says - but I can tell you what 
> every (*) Windows program I've used in the last 10 years does - it 
> maximizes the window to cover everything except any non-auto-hide 
> taskbar. So if the task bar is set to auto-hide, then the window 
> covers the entire visible screen; if not auto-hide, it covers the 
> complete rectangle which doesn't overlap the task bar.
>
> (*) every means literally every program I've used except Rev; I'm not 
> aware of
>
So given that the HIG says you can do anything you like, the current 
behaviour is within the guidelines :-). But even if it's within these 
very loose guidelines, it's still different from every other app I know, 
even those which have toolbars, and therefore is confusing.

Jon said:

> And explaining to a user why my software does not work like other 
> Windows software just seems to be a waste of everyone's time.

I don't think that'll be an issue Jon - when outside the IDE, it behaves 
like I'd expect - maximize gives full-screen, and adjusts for the system 
task-bar.


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From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Jul 13 15:33:31 2005
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:33:31 +0200
Subject: showController for audio question???
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760970@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760970@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <A2EB0C93-E35D-495C-B6F5-D5008E745D80@major-k.de>

Hi Ban,

> Hello,
>
> I use this code for video and it works perfect
> set the showController of the templatePlayer to true
> play videoclip "My Clip"
>
> I use the similar code for audio and it does not work.  It plays the
> song but does not show the controller
>
> set the showController of the templatePlayer to true
> play audioclip "My Clip"

since i was EXTREMELY surprised that this:

> set the showController of the templatePlayer to true
> play videoclip "My Clip"

really did work, i cannot answer the audio player question.
I am afraid that this is simply not supported with sounds.

> ...
> -----------------------
> My problem is I don't know how to create the volume slider to control
> the volume

well, i actually showed you how in one of my mails yesterday...

To help your memory a bit, here is what i wrote:

>> I want to have a volume control to control the sound

I want to have real tables ;-)

> Simply use a "slider", vertical or horizontal!
>
> Set the startvalue to 0
> The endvalue to 100
>
> And put this into the script of the slider:
>
> on scrollbardrag t_value
>    set the playloudness of player "your audio playername here" to  
> t_value
> end scrollbardrag
>
> Done :-)
>
> The message "scrollbardrag" is being sent to Revolution continuously
> while the user drags the slider. The message can have 1 parameter,
> the current value of the slider, so this script will work in realtime.
>
> Hope this helps.

Since you do not work with player objects you should change the line to:

on scrollbardrag t_value
    set the playloudness to t_value
end scrollbardrag

> ---------------------
> so that why I am trying to use this code so I don't have to worry  
> about
> volume and stuff...:
>
> set the showController of the templatePlayer to true
> play audioclip "My Clip"
>
> but it does not work

See above, be prepared that it won't work at all :-/

> ---------
> Does the player object play the imported song (import as a control) or
> only play songs on the hard drive that you insert in the source
> (C:\audio\songs....)

The latter on, only referenced files, but that is no problem,  
actually :-)

With the "play" command you can only play a very small "subset" of
all possible sound files: Uncompressed AIF files and AU files.
WAV files are reported to make some problems.

AND you can only play one sound at a time!

> Please help me.  Anyone has any idea?  Thank you

I help. Yes, i do. You're welcome.

:-)


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Jul 13 15:40:06 2005
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:40:06 -0600
Subject: passing quotes parameters to a 'send' message...
In-Reply-To: <42D4BCCD.7040502@chipp.com>
References: <42D4481C.4060609@chipp.com>
	<p0621028abef9fb41800f@[192.168.2.153]>
	<42D4BCCD.7040502@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <9d5a698e3efc373a18fa746b0ec17ebd@swcp.com>


On Jul 13, 2005, at 1:03 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Thanks, that is just too weird. Doesn't seem like it *should* work, 
> but it does.

If you like weird, try this:

on mouseUp
   send "beep -- herald something" to me
   send "set the backcolor of me to red" to button "B"
end mouseUp

This works.  Even if you add 'in <fakeDelay>', you can see the 
"handler" is named "set" in the pendingMessages().

Now just when that and invoking a custom command with variable 
parameters in a send start to make sense, try this:

on mouseUp
   put blue into newColor
   send "beep -- anounce something" to me
   send "set the backcolor of me to newColor" to button "B"
end mouseUp

That fails with "can't find hander ... set".

Now if you try 'in <fakeDelay>', you can still see the message in 
pendingMessages(), but because it is 'in <fakeDelay>', then there is no 
error message if the handler is not found (the color is not changed).

However, this works just fine:

on mouseUp
   put blue into newColor
   do "set the backcolor of me to newColor"
end mouseUp

Except it is now the button you clicked not "B" that is changed.  And 
'do' will work just fine with a custom command with variable 
parameters.

Try this:

on mouseUp
   put blue into newColor
   send "put newColor after message" to button "B"
end mouseUp

Y' get "newColor" added to the message box.

So what is the one case that is different?  It is the lack of the 
ability to use variable parameters in non-custom commands.  IMHO, that 
is the weird part.  But maybe that is a good thing.

Try this:

on mouseUp
   send "dosomething v()" to me in 2 seconds
end mouseUp

function v
   beep
   return 5
end v

on doSomething x
   put x after message
end doSomething

I hear the beep and then two seconds later the 5 is added to the 
message box.

on mouseUp
   send "put the backcolor of me after message" to button "B"
end mouseUp

That displays the color of button "B".  If that weird part I mentioned 
above is "fixed", then that would probably change.  Maybe we don't want 
it to.  I'm OK with the change.

Dar

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**********************************************



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed Jul 13 15:46:13 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:46:13 +0200
Subject: showController for audio question???
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760970@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760970@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <A222ACC1-8B1C-4F59-B5F8-4B81F0BFB4EE@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Ban,

Be patient.
Your requests gave me the idea to write a tutorial about managing  
sounds and players.
May be it will be my 20th tutorial (see my web-site).
In the meantime, please, check the docs :-)
For instance: playLoudness...

Le 13 juil. 05 ? 21:06, Ban Nguyen a ?crit :

> Hello,
>
> I use this code for video and it works perfect
> set the showController of the templatePlayer to true
> play videoclip "My Clip"
>
> I use the similar code for audio and it does not work.  It plays the
> song but does not show the controller
>
> set the showController of the templatePlayer to true
> play audioclip "My Clip"
>
> -------------------------
> My problem is:  I have a list of 9 songs and I want to show them in a
> list and let user click on one song at a time and play it
>
> I use the scrolling list field to display those songs.  Here is the  
> code
> of the scrolling list field:
>
> on mouseup
>     global gClickVar
>     select the clickLine
>     put word 2 of the clickLine into gClickVar
>
>    -- get the song name
>    put line gClickVar of field "audioList" into gClickVar
>    play audioClip gClickVar looping
>
> end mouseup
>
> ----------------------
> I create a play button.  Here is the code for the play button (it  
> works
> fine):
>
> on mouseUp
>   global gClickVar
>      play audioClip gClickVar looping
> end mouseUp
>
> -------------------------
> I also create the stop, prev and next button.  They works fine
>
> -----------------------
> My problem is I don't know how to create the volume slider to control
> the volume
>
> -----------------------
> I use this code for the pause button:
> on mouseUp
>     global gClickVar
>     play pause audioClip gClickVar
> end mouseUp
>
> It stops the song and plays the beginning of the song when I  
> release the
> mouse.  I want to pause it and click again to continue play (not
> beginning)
>
> ---------------------
> so that why I am trying to use this code so I don't have to worry  
> about
> volume and stuff...:
>
> set the showController of the templatePlayer to true
> play audioclip "My Clip"
>
> but it does not work
>
>
> ---------
> Does the player object play the imported song (import as a control) or
> only play songs on the hard drive that you insert in the source
> (C:\audio\songs....)
>
>
> Please help me.  Anyone has any idea?  Thank you


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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jul 13 15:55:14 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:55:14 -0700
Subject: maximizing the stack/card
In-Reply-To: <42D5617A.2040709@tweedly.net>
References: <42D51954.5090203@sover.net>	<110A231F-F272-4481-B42E-49B574FA4016@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D528C8.3040703@sover.net>	<B79F0355-C73C-4C62-B57A-F5358BDD772C@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D53B77.7090203@sover.net>	<42D54960.5050405@fourthworld.com>	<0AA2B2C0-8F5C-40DC-AF06-5AB508E21643@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D54F27.60500@sover.net>	<42D553BB.7060805@fourthworld.com>
	<42D5617A.2040709@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <42D571A2.1010000@fourthworld.com>

Alex Tweedly wrote:
> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> What should the desired behavior be?
>>
>> I was unable to find a discussion about handling maximizing properly 
>> in a quick glance at the Win HIG.  Your guidance on where I can find 
>> that would be much appreciated.
>>
> No idea what, if anything, MS's HIG says - but I can tell you what every 
> (*) Windows program I've used in the last 10 years does - it maximizes 
> the window to cover everything except any non-auto-hide taskbar. So if 
> the task bar is set to auto-hide, then the window covers the entire 
> visible screen; if not auto-hide, it covers the complete rectangle which 
> doesn't overlap the task bar.
> 
> (*) every means literally every program I've used except Rev; I'm not 
> aware of

The asterisk is important because it points to the essence of the issue.

Note that I'm not in disagreement on this.  On the contrary, I've gone 
to the mat on this issue with RunRev, so my only point in asking for HIG 
references is to assemble talking points for a stronger argument.

What we have here is a very uncommon UI, and accordingly subsequent 
decisions based on it are equally uncommon:

While the Win HIG describes four radically different window models, it 
offers nothing to suggest having a detached universal toolbar/menubar. 
Of the models MS suggests the closest match is the Project model, but 
even then the menus are attached to the top of each window, not in a 
separate window floating by itself.

Most apps that have a single window for a universal toolbar do so in an 
MDI, but since we don't have MDI parent window classes there's not much 
we can do on that front.  And since MDI is being slowly retired anyway 
I'm not sure we'd want to invest in that at this time.

With Rev, the toolbar is detached and, perhaps more significantly, 
cannot be moved.  So if the windowBoundingRect were not adjusted to 
account for it, it would be too easy to have a document window 
positioned beneath it so that we can't reach the drag bar.

So whether we agree or disagree with the decision, adjusting the top of 
the windowBoundingRect to compensate for the universal toolbar is at 
least understandable (although it does crop the top far more pixels than 
is needed as I had once noted in a Bugzilla report).

But then there's the left-side adjustment, presumably to make room for 
the floating tool palette.  Because such windows are designed to be 
moved in close to where the user is working there should be no need to 
crop the windowBoundingRect for it. There would also be no harm and 
arguably some benefit if the tool window also had a closeBox.

Although these three decisions have mystified me I've been given 
assurances that they are conscious decisions; indeed my Bugzilla 
requests for each of these have long been closed as "Not a bug".

But stepping back to look at the big picture, the only ones risking any 
loss from these decisions are at RunRev, when folks try the product: 
the engine's native settings for the windowBoundingRect work exactly as 
you describe, so your own apps will not be affected by anything the IDE 
does separately from the engine.

As long as the engine gives me the freedom to decide what's right for my 
own apps, I'll leave it to RunRev to make their own decisions for their 
own apps.  Given Rev's unusual role as an IDE that simultaneously 
supports both runtime and development, I'm not sure I'd want to 
completely remove the floating toolbar altogether, and would likely keep 
the top cropping of the windowBoundingRect.

My BZ reports on the other details were more for them than for me, since 
I spend most of my day in the MC IDE which doesn't touch the 
windowBoundingRect (it doesn't touch much really, designed around the 
mantra of "Know the engine, Love the engine, Trust the engine" <g>).

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From bann at sunncomm.com  Wed Jul 13 16:01:42 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:01:42 -0700
Subject: showController for audio question???
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760971@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>


Since you do not work with player objects you should change the line to:

on scrollbardrag t_value
    set the playloudness to t_value
end scrollbardrag

----->It works.  Thanks

------------------------------------------------------------------------
--

I use this code for the pause button:
on mouseUp
    global gClickVar
    play pause audioClip gClickVar
end mouseUp

It stops the song and plays the beginning of the song when I release the
mouse.  I want to pause it and click again to continue play (not
beginning)

Klaus, do you have any idea?  Thanks

------------------------------------------------------------------------
---

BTW, is there anyway to build the progress bar.  User can slide back and
forward and see how far the song is playing.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
---








From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Jul 13 16:04:47 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:04:47 -0500
Subject: maximizing the stack/card
In-Reply-To: <42D5637C.6020503@sover.net>
References: <42D51954.5090203@sover.net>	<110A231F-F272-4481-B42E-49B574FA4016@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D528C8.3040703@sover.net>	<B79F0355-C73C-4C62-B57A-F5358BDD772C@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D53B77.7090203@sover.net>	<42D54960.5050405@fourthworld.com>	<0AA2B2C0-8F5C-40DC-AF06-5AB508E21643@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D54F27.60500@sover.net>	<42D553BB.7060805@fourthworld.com>	<42D5617A.2040709@tweedly.net>
	<42D5637C.6020503@sover.net>
Message-ID: <42D573DF.3090607@chipp.com>

Jon wrote:
> I agree with what Alex has written.
> The ONLY point I was trying to make is that programs created with Rev do 
> not behave as do all other Windows programs.  

How so? In my experience (multiple shipping Rev applications), the 
windowBoundingRect manages the window exactly as I would want it to in 
my standalones. It's the Rev IDE which is the problem for you, of course 
you didn't take the time to figure that out before blasting us with yet 
another of your rants...

> I thought I said I would shut up.  Sigh.  I'll try to do it now!

Thank-you.



From revlist at cableone.net  Wed Jul 13 16:31:47 2005
From: revlist at cableone.net (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:31:47 -0600
Subject: I need help with custom cursors
In-Reply-To: <B8014442-F065-4065-9D0E-D7A0A2B808CB@cableone.net>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445E4@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
	<B8014442-F065-4065-9D0E-D7A0A2B808CB@cableone.net>
Message-ID: <86BADBA1-C283-4764-AEDE-F8C8721190FD@cableone.net>

Well, since no other ideas appear to be coming in, I'm wondering if  
anyone out there has any custom cursors that work that you would be  
willing to share.  I'm looking for an hourglass along with left,  
right, up and down pointing fingers (much like they had/have in the  
Myst games.  Anyone?

Thanks.


On Jul 13, 2005, at 12:54 PM, Chris Sheffield wrote:

> Well, I tried your suggestion, Jonathan.  Unfortunately, it didn't  
> work either.  I copied the pointer cursor over to my stack and drew  
> in my hourglass image over the top of it.  After I finished my  
> beautiful drawing, I set the cursor and the colors were still  
> inverted.  How could this happen?  Could there be a bug?  Creating  
> and using a custom cursor should not be this hard?
>
> Does anyone else have any ideas?
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> On Jul 13, 2005, at 9:48 AM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:
>
>
>> Try this...
>>
>> 1) Pick an image used for one of Rev's prebuilt cursors.
>> (It will be in a folder labeled something like C:/program
>> files/Revolution 2.6/components/global environment - the stack is  
>> titled
>> revcursors)
>> 2) Copy it over to your stack.
>> 3) Change the image with revs image tools to suit your needs.
>> 4) Set the cursor to the id of the image when appropriate.
>>
>>
>> The revcursors stack that contains cursor images has images for  
>> both mac
>> and win (they are labeled that way) - make sure you choose an  
>> image that
>> is appropriate for your OS.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
>> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Chris
>> Sheffield
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:40 AM
>> To: How to use Revolution
>> Subject: I need help with custom cursors
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I know this subject has been brought up many times, but I can't seem
>> to get the results I want.  I'm following all the steps as outlined
>> in the docs, and I've even tried the few tricks that have been posted
>> here in the past, but all my custom cursor images are still getting
>> the colors inverted when I set them.
>>
>> So here's what I've done.  I created a three-color gif image of an
>> hourglass (using Paint Shop Pro 6):  black, white, and a sort of teal
>> color set as the transparent color.  When I import the file into my
>> stack, the image looks perfect.  But when I set the cursor to the id
>> of my image, the colors are inverted.  Like I said, I even tried
>> using Rev's drawing tools to edit the image cause that's a trick that
>> everyone is saying works, but for some reason it didn't work in this
>> case.  But what's weird is I swear I've done that in the past and it
>> has worked.  So I don't know what the difference was, except that I
>> was probably using a different version of Rev.  I'm now using 2.6
>> (build 108) on WinXP.
>>
>> If anyone has any other ideas, I would be most grateful.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------
>> Chris Sheffield
>> Read Naturally
>> The Fluency Company
>> http://www.readnaturally.com
>> ------------------------------------------
>>
>>
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From jbondy at sover.net  Wed Jul 13 17:03:43 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:03:43 -0400
Subject: maximizing the stack/card
In-Reply-To: <42D573DF.3090607@chipp.com>
References: <42D51954.5090203@sover.net>	<110A231F-F272-4481-B42E-49B574FA4016@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D528C8.3040703@sover.net>	<B79F0355-C73C-4C62-B57A-F5358BDD772C@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D53B77.7090203@sover.net>	<42D54960.5050405@fourthworld.com>	<0AA2B2C0-8F5C-40DC-AF06-5AB508E21643@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D54F27.60500@sover.net>	<42D553BB.7060805@fourthworld.com>	<42D5617A.2040709@tweedly.net>	<42D5637C.6020503@sover.net>
	<42D573DF.3090607@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <42D581AF.7050105@sover.net>

Chipp:

You're right.  I never considered that the program would behave 
differently when run under the IDE than when run standalone.  Perhaps 
this is because no other IDE alters the program behavior in this way.  
But, perhaps they do not need to do so.

Jon


Chipp Walters wrote:

> Jon wrote:
>
>> I agree with what Alex has written.
>> The ONLY point I was trying to make is that programs created with Rev 
>> do not behave as do all other Windows programs.  
>
>
> How so? In my experience (multiple shipping Rev applications), the 
> windowBoundingRect manages the window exactly as I would want it to in 
> my standalones. It's the Rev IDE which is the problem for you, of 
> course you didn't take the time to figure that out before blasting us 
> with yet another of your rants...
>
>> I thought I said I would shut up.  Sigh.  I'll try to do it now!
>
>
> Thank-you.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From katir at hindu.org  Wed Jul 13 01:36:42 2005
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:36:42 -1000
Subject: preserve vertical white space in XML?
In-Reply-To: <BEF91E79.524D%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <BEF91E79.524D%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <10DF3046-29FE-4EC4-BDF2-DC5CB584CB9B@hindu.org>

Look forward to it... I've already  put a request in to our software  
acquisitions... you should see a new customer soon.

Since you are working on upgrading...

I would like to see some parameter(s) allow for input and output of  
quotes and apostrophes  that did not "escape" quotes or apostrophes  
(converting to entities).  w3Schools.com says only ampersands and "<"  
are truly "illegal"  and so any xml processor really should escape  
these... and they recommend also quotes, apostrophe's and closing   
tag marker ">" &gt;  also be converted... so, that is what Rev  
does... all five of them. And I don't see a way to turn it off.

Despite the vast changes in character sets and encodings and unicode  
in our modern world.. I'm still a bit old-fashioned. For certain  
things I want the root data to stay really "dumb" i.e. true, original  
ASCII 0-126  and nothing more. This way we don't have to face *any*  
encoding issues where we want the text to be able to flow, like  
water, in the future through a large variety of processors, agents  
and platforms, not all of which will be html entity aware--i.e. bring  
encoding issues to a virtual zero level, and all the time wasted to  
program around them also to virtual zero.  Output agents later can  
make their own decisions about upgrading source data during process  
to curly quotes or apostrophes for a more sophistricated output...  
but I don't want these in the source data...I'm currently using  
xsltproc with shell cmds from Rev...and having to face all this  
because the standard unix libraries being called

libxml 20616, libxslt 10111 and libexslt 809

are so strict...

Then I have to run all these replace "foo" with "bar" in tText" to  
get back to where I want to be....

Then, on the complete opposite side of the spectrum, for in-house  
publishing RAD tools where the XML processes *are* working with a  
goal of more sophisticated outputs, we could really use another  
parameter that handles the entire entity set (whatever that is) such  
that, for example, M-dash gets output to an entity... and further  
more offer a choice for "by name" or by "decimal" i.e. &mdash;  OR   
&#8121;

Now, some of this is out of the box in terms of rigid XML standards,  
but even Adobe has decided to honor verticle white space (char10 or  
char13)  inside child notes on XML import. Such white space, by spec  
of course is to be ignored... but a line break is basic in the word  
processing word... so to wipe these is not helpful... OK I guess  
that's yet another request. to honor char(10) throughout the  
processing in and out.  Just pass it...

Am I making sense? Or asking for too much? Maybe this is all handled  
transparently with Encoding setting at beginning of the doc... (I  
need to go to "Unicode School!")

Sivakatirswami



On Jul 12, 2005, at 2:15 AM, Ken Ray wrote:

>> Ken... just a thought... you might sell more software if you had a
>> full demo that timed out... even if you only gave it 24 hours or 72
>> hours...
>>
>> I generally always want to know what I'm getting. and since the
>> standard ediiton of your XML library is locked... I can't see the
>> scripts.
>>
>
> Thanks, I'll consider it... but the library is kind of a "black  
> box", so I
> was consdering people only needing access to the scripts if they were
> wanting to change the default behavior... but as I'm in the middle of
> upgrading the library, I'll think about your suggestion before I  
> release the
> next version.
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
>



From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Wed Jul 13 17:17:07 2005
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:17:07 -0700
Subject: debugger anomaly updated
Message-ID: <p06200700befb32deb1f4@[10.0.1.2]>

The debugger anomaly in my stacks has been discussed on the list over 
the past few days. In brief, the debugger will debug a stack script, 
but not a background script. In a bg script, the script window does 
open, but the script window remains behind the others and the script 
does not pause.

I can force a pause and bring the script window to the front by 
deliberately placing an error in the bg script. When the script 
pauses and the error window opens, I click on the "debug" button on 
the error window. When the script window opens, the debug buttons in 
the script window are absent, and the debug menu items are dimmed 
out. As far as I can tell, the script won't resume. All I can to is 
remove the bad line and save.

When scripts are moved from the bg script to the stack script, the 
debugger works normally.

Further testing reveals -- tentatively -- that this anomaly only 
appears in my stacks whose original ancestors were created in an 
early version of hyperCard, possibly 1.0. Unfortunately, I have about 
five of them, fairly large, complex, and very important.

My stacks that were originally created in recent versions of 
hyperCard, or Rev, do not have this anomaly.

A week before, there was discussion of another anomaly I struggled 
with -- "mark cards by finding..." I won't go into the details. I'd 
guess this also ultimately arose from funky data left over from the 
earliest versions of hyperCard.

Maybe it's nothing I need to worry about. I can find other ways to 
debug bg scripts when I need to. I only wonder about what other 
anomalies might lie ahead.

Thanks to the list for all the help and encouragement.

Tim


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jul 13 17:17:00 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:17:00 -0700
Subject: maximizing the stack/card
In-Reply-To: <42D581AF.7050105@sover.net>
References: <42D51954.5090203@sover.net>	<110A231F-F272-4481-B42E-49B574FA4016@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D528C8.3040703@sover.net>	<B79F0355-C73C-4C62-B57A-F5358BDD772C@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D53B77.7090203@sover.net>	<42D54960.5050405@fourthworld.com>	<0AA2B2C0-8F5C-40DC-AF06-5AB508E21643@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D54F27.60500@sover.net>	<42D553BB.7060805@fourthworld.com>	<42D5617A.2040709@tweedly.net>	<42D5637C.6020503@sover.net>	<42D573DF.3090607@chipp.com>
	<42D581AF.7050105@sover.net>
Message-ID: <42D584CC.5020108@fourthworld.com>

Jon wrote:
> Chipp:
> 
> You're right.  I never considered that the program would behave 
> differently when run under the IDE than when run standalone.  Perhaps 
> this is because no other IDE alters the program behavior in this way.  
> But, perhaps they do not need to do so.

Exactly:  in most other IDEs there's no program behavior at all, since 
development and runtime are forever separated.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From jbondy at sover.net  Wed Jul 13 17:31:09 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:31:09 -0400
Subject: maximizing the stack/card
In-Reply-To: <42D584CC.5020108@fourthworld.com>
References: <42D51954.5090203@sover.net>	<110A231F-F272-4481-B42E-49B574FA4016@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D528C8.3040703@sover.net>	<B79F0355-C73C-4C62-B57A-F5358BDD772C@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D53B77.7090203@sover.net>	<42D54960.5050405@fourthworld.com>	<0AA2B2C0-8F5C-40DC-AF06-5AB508E21643@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D54F27.60500@sover.net>	<42D553BB.7060805@fourthworld.com>	<42D5617A.2040709@tweedly.net>	<42D5637C.6020503@sover.net>	<42D573DF.3090607@chipp.com>	<42D581AF.7050105@sover.net>
	<42D584CC.5020108@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <42D5881D.6070902@sover.net>

Richard:

An interesting point, and an interesting way to look at it.

When I develop using Delphi, there are moments when both the IDE and the 
program are visible.  I switch between the two easily, and the program 
can be full screen without a problem.

There may be a subtle distinction I'm not understanding in your point, 
but my first thought is that, if screen real estate is the issue, the 
two situations are more similar than dissimilar.

Jon


Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Jon wrote:
>
>> Chipp:
>>
>> You're right.  I never considered that the program would behave 
>> differently when run under the IDE than when run standalone.  Perhaps 
>> this is because no other IDE alters the program behavior in this 
>> way.  But, perhaps they do not need to do so.
>
>
> Exactly:  in most other IDEs there's no program behavior at all, since 
> development and runtime are forever separated.
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal
>  _______________________________________________________
>  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com
> _______________________________________________
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> subscription preferences:
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From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Jul 13 17:42:17 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:42:17 +0100
Subject: debugger anomaly updated
In-Reply-To: <p06200700befb32deb1f4@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <p06200700befb32deb1f4@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <42D58AB9.6010509@tweedly.net>

Timothy Miller wrote:

> The debugger anomaly in my stacks has been discussed on the list over 
> the past few days. In brief, the debugger will debug a stack script, 
> but not a background script. In a bg script, the script window does 
> open, but the script window remains behind the others and the script 
> does not pause.
>
> I can force a pause and bring the script window to the front by 
> deliberately placing an error in the bg script. When the script pauses 
> and the error window opens, I click on the "debug" button on the error 
> window. When the script window opens, the debug buttons in the script 
> window are absent, and the debug menu items are dimmed out. As far as 
> I can tell, the script won't resume. All I can to is remove the bad 
> line and save.
>
> When scripts are moved from the bg script to the stack script, the 
> debugger works normally.
>
> Further testing reveals -- tentatively -- that this anomaly only 
> appears in my stacks whose original ancestors were created in an early 
> version of hyperCard, possibly 1.0. Unfortunately, I have about five 
> of them, fairly large, complex, and very important.
>
> My stacks that were originally created in recent versions of 
> hyperCard, or Rev, do not have this anomaly.
>
Would it be at all possible to write a stack that would "export" another 
stack to some textual format, and then another which would "import" it 
again (i.e. into a new clean stack)?

I know the general problem is hard - but I also know that my own stacks 
tend to follow certain patterns (combination of me getting in a rut, and 
the fact that I only know about 10% of what Rev can do), so it *might* 
be feasible to write such a tool that would work for my stacks.

You probably wouldn't want to write a *product* to do that - but you 
might be able to write *tool* to do it.

-- 
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From jbondy at sover.net  Wed Jul 13 17:47:22 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:47:22 -0400
Subject: music player uploaded
Message-ID: <42D58BEA.3040704@sover.net>

There has been some recent traffic about how to use a Player to play 
music (or a movie).  I've uploaded my simple JLBPlayer stack for those 
of you who would like a simple working example.  There is nothing 
sophisticated about the player, other than that you can use simple 
keyboard keys to control player operation (so you need not grab the 
mouse to stop the song or move forwards/backwards).  I called it a 
"utility" for no good reason.

I hope this proves to be a useful example for people who are exploring 
the Player for the first time.

Jon


From jbondy at sover.net  Wed Jul 13 17:49:35 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:49:35 -0400
Subject: debugger anomaly updated
In-Reply-To: <42D58AB9.6010509@tweedly.net>
References: <p06200700befb32deb1f4@[10.0.1.2]> <42D58AB9.6010509@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <42D58C6F.1040808@sover.net>

Sounds like a great suggsetion, Alex! If the output were in text form 
(or XML?), you could even edit it if there were problems (like non 
printable characters in names, etc).  A simple (ha!) import/export stack 
for stacks!

:)

Jon


Alex Tweedly wrote:

> Timothy Miller wrote:
>
>> The debugger anomaly in my stacks has been discussed on the list over 
>> the past few days. In brief, the debugger will debug a stack script, 
>> but not a background script. In a bg script, the script window does 
>> open, but the script window remains behind the others and the script 
>> does not pause.
>>
>> I can force a pause and bring the script window to the front by 
>> deliberately placing an error in the bg script. When the script 
>> pauses and the error window opens, I click on the "debug" button on 
>> the error window. When the script window opens, the debug buttons in 
>> the script window are absent, and the debug menu items are dimmed 
>> out. As far as I can tell, the script won't resume. All I can to is 
>> remove the bad line and save.
>>
>> When scripts are moved from the bg script to the stack script, the 
>> debugger works normally.
>>
>> Further testing reveals -- tentatively -- that this anomaly only 
>> appears in my stacks whose original ancestors were created in an 
>> early version of hyperCard, possibly 1.0. Unfortunately, I have about 
>> five of them, fairly large, complex, and very important.
>>
>> My stacks that were originally created in recent versions of 
>> hyperCard, or Rev, do not have this anomaly.
>>
> Would it be at all possible to write a stack that would "export" 
> another stack to some textual format, and then another which would 
> "import" it again (i.e. into a new clean stack)?
>
> I know the general problem is hard - but I also know that my own 
> stacks tend to follow certain patterns (combination of me getting in a 
> rut, and the fact that I only know about 10% of what Rev can do), so 
> it *might* be feasible to write such a tool that would work for my 
> stacks.
>
> You probably wouldn't want to write a *product* to do that - but you 
> might be able to write *tool* to do it.
>


From revdan at danshafer.com  Wed Jul 13 18:31:57 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:31:57 -0700
Subject: maximizing the stack/card
In-Reply-To: <42D5881D.6070902@sover.net>
References: <42D51954.5090203@sover.net>	<110A231F-F272-4481-B42E-49B574FA4016@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D528C8.3040703@sover.net>	<B79F0355-C73C-4C62-B57A-F5358BDD772C@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D53B77.7090203@sover.net>	<42D54960.5050405@fourthworld.com>	<0AA2B2C0-8F5C-40DC-AF06-5AB508E21643@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D54F27.60500@sover.net>	<42D553BB.7060805@fourthworld.com>	<42D5617A.2040709@tweedly.net>	<42D5637C.6020503@sover.net>	<42D573DF.3090607@chipp.com>	<42D581AF.7050105@sover.net>
	<42D584CC.5020108@fourthworld.com> <42D5881D.6070902@sover.net>
Message-ID: <CC083F7F-18F3-4561-A3DE-925D97C44EAD@danshafer.com>

Jon....

If I'm not mistaken (I haven't used Delphi in a long time), Delphi  
compiles apps which you can then run in a different space. Revolution  
is always live; your app is always running while you build it. It  
takes some getting used to but the efficiency gains are truly enormous.


On Jul 13, 2005, at 2:31 PM, Jon wrote:

> When I develop using Delphi, there are moments when both the IDE  
> and the program are visible.  I switch between the two easily, and  
> the program can be full screen without a problem.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author
http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
 From http://www.shafermedia.com/revolutionbooks.html






From revdan at danshafer.com  Wed Jul 13 18:33:44 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:33:44 -0700
Subject: debugger anomaly updated
In-Reply-To: <p06200700befb32deb1f4@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <p06200700befb32deb1f4@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <2E859FB5-BE9C-4E8E-981C-ABC16A373FC2@danshafer.com>

Timothy....

I suspect you'd agree that the amazing thing isn't that you had a few  
anomalies, it's that converting from HC to Rev was even remotely  
possible in a semi-automatic way.


On Jul 13, 2005, at 2:17 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:

> Further testing reveals -- tentatively -- that this anomaly only  
> appears in my stacks whose original ancestors were created in an  
> early version of hyperCard, possibly 1.0. Unfortunately, I have  
> about five of them, fairly large, complex, and very important.
>
> My stacks that were originally created in recent versions of  
> hyperCard, or Rev, do not have this anomaly.
>


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author
http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
 From http://www.shafermedia.com/revolutionbooks.html






From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jul 13 18:47:17 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:47:17 -0700
Subject: debugger anomaly updated
In-Reply-To: <42D58AB9.6010509@tweedly.net>
References: <p06200700befb32deb1f4@[10.0.1.2]> <42D58AB9.6010509@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <42D599F5.7010602@fourthworld.com>

Alex Tweedly wrote:
> Would it be at all possible to write a stack that would "export" another 
> stack to some textual format, and then another which would "import" it 
> again (i.e. into a new clean stack)?
> 
> I know the general problem is hard - but I also know that my own stacks 
> tend to follow certain patterns (combination of me getting in a rut, and 
> the fact that I only know about 10% of what Rev can do), so it *might* 
> be feasible to write such a tool that would work for my stacks.
> 
> You probably wouldn't want to write a *product* to do that - but you 
> might be able to write *tool* to do it.

Amen to that. Years ago I started work on a project I called 
"RosettaCard", which would have been a universal file format with 
importers and exporters for all xTalks in common use.  What I found is 
that it's a lot of work for little return:  such things are generally 
only needed once, and there are just enough differences in syntax, 
object model, properties, etc. that an inordinate amount of time gets 
spent managing those differences.

If one needs to do this for just Rev I believe Geoff Canyon wrote one, 
and there are likely others lying around.

But perhaps simpler for this case might be to just strip all the cRev 
custom properties. Chipp has a tool for that, and those are the only 
places where flags could be stored which would affect debugging behavior 
(other than in the IDE itself, of course, but then that's a project for 
RunRev rather than us <g>).

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Jul 13 19:03:54 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 00:03:54 +0100
Subject: maximizing the stack/card
In-Reply-To: <42D571A2.1010000@fourthworld.com>
References: <42D51954.5090203@sover.net>	<110A231F-F272-4481-B42E-49B574FA4016@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D528C8.3040703@sover.net>	<B79F0355-C73C-4C62-B57A-F5358BDD772C@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D53B77.7090203@sover.net>	<42D54960.5050405@fourthworld.com>	<0AA2B2C0-8F5C-40DC-AF06-5AB508E21643@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D54F27.60500@sover.net>	<42D553BB.7060805@fourthworld.com>	<42D5617A.2040709@tweedly.net>
	<42D571A2.1010000@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <42D59DDA.9090903@tweedly.net>

Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Alex Tweedly wrote:
>
>> No idea what, if anything, MS's HIG says - but I can tell you what 
>> every (*) Windows program I've used in the last 10 years does - it 
>> maximizes the window to cover everything except any non-auto-hide 
>> taskbar. So if the task bar is set to auto-hide, then the window 
>> covers the entire visible screen; if not auto-hide, it covers the 
>> complete rectangle which doesn't overlap the task bar.
>>
>> (*) every means literally every program I've used except Rev; I'm not 
>> aware of
>
>
> The asterisk is important because it points to the essence of the issue.
>
> Note that I'm not in disagreement on this.  On the contrary, I've gone 
> to the mat on this issue with RunRev, so my only point in asking for 
> HIG references is to assemble talking points for a stronger argument.
>
> What we have here is a very uncommon UI, and accordingly subsequent 
> decisions based on it are equally uncommon:
>
It's not that unusual (ok, it's not common - but it's far from unique). 
Framemaker used to do it (it may still do, I haven't used it for years), 
very successfully. GIMP today uses that style.

Both of those examples use "standard" maximize, such that the window in 
question fills the whole screen. Of course, they also both followed the 
Windows convention that you can Alt-TAB between *all* windows, not just 
a subset, so this didn't cause any problem.

> While the Win HIG describes four radically different window models, it 
> offers nothing to suggest having a detached universal toolbar/menubar. 
> Of the models MS suggests the closest match is the Project model, but 
> even then the menus are attached to the top of each window, not in a 
> separate window floating by itself.
>
> Most apps that have a single window for a universal toolbar do so in 
> an MDI, but since we don't have MDI parent window classes there's not 
> much we can do on that front.  And since MDI is being slowly retired 
> anyway I'm not sure we'd want to invest in that at this time.
>
> With Rev, the toolbar is detached and, perhaps more significantly, 
> cannot be moved.  So if the windowBoundingRect were not adjusted to 
> account for it, it would be too easy to have a document window 
> positioned beneath it so that we can't reach the drag bar.

Ummm - we're talking about MS Windows,  right ?

The menu/tool bar isn't fixed position; I can move my toolbar anywhere I 
want - both on Win-XP and back when I was on Win2000; and also it's not 
full width, so there wouldn't be any problem reaching the drag bar of a 
max'ed window beneath it. In fact, earlier on this thread, I mentioned 
the fact that windowBoundingRect has its top set to be immediately below 
the toolbar - even if that meant that the windowBoundingRect would be 
off screen. That I'm sure is a bad idea; I can see the merit in trying 
to keep the max'ed windows from obscuring the important IDE ones - but 
they should have done the same with the toolbar as they did with the 
floating tool palette - reduce the "max" size to avoid it *if* it's in 
the "expected" place, otherwise ignore it.

>
> So whether we agree or disagree with the decision, adjusting the top 
> of the windowBoundingRect to compensate for the universal toolbar is 
> at least understandable (although it does crop the top far more pixels 
> than is needed as I had once noted in a Bugzilla report).

I agree it would make (more) sense if the toolbar were fixed to the top 
of the screen - but it isn't.

> Although these three decisions have mystified me I've been given 
> assurances that they are conscious decisions; indeed my Bugzilla 
> requests for each of these have long been closed as "Not a bug".
>
> But stepping back to look at the big picture, the only ones risking 
> any loss from these decisions are at RunRev, when folks try the 
> product: the engine's native settings for the windowBoundingRect work 
> exactly as you describe, so your own apps will not be affected by 
> anything the IDE does separately from the engine.
>
> As long as the engine gives me the freedom to decide what's right for 
> my own apps, I'll leave it to RunRev to make their own decisions for 
> their own apps.  Given Rev's unusual role as an IDE that 
> simultaneously supports both runtime and development, I'm not sure I'd 
> want to completely remove the floating toolbar altogether, and would 
> likely keep the top cropping of the windowBoundingRect.
>
> My BZ reports on the other details were more for them than for me, 
> since I spend most of my day in the MC IDE which doesn't touch the 
> windowBoundingRect (it doesn't touch much really, designed around the 
> mantra of "Know the engine, Love the engine, Trust the engine" <g>).


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From bann at sunncomm.com  Wed Jul 13 19:04:46 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:04:46 -0700
Subject: how to pause a song??? please help
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760972@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>

Hello,

I've been working on creating a pause button to stop an audio and
clicking the button again to play the audio where it was stopped (not
the beginning)

I am using this code for pause button:

on mouseUp
    play pause audioClip "my clip"
end mouseUp

It stops for 1 second and play at the beginning. Anyone knows how to set
it so it will play again where it was stopped.  Thank you.


From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Wed Jul 13 19:19:21 2005
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:19:21 +1000
Subject: preserve vertical white space in XML?
In-Reply-To: <20050713225751.34F32824D5B@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050713225751.34F32824D5B@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <0d9bba1497d16b2e1417144fbe89979f@unimelb.edu.au>

> From: Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org>
> Date: 13 July 2005 3:36:42 PM
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: preserve vertical white space in XML?
> Reply-To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>
>
> Look forward to it... I've already  put a request in to our software 
> acquisitions... you should see a new customer soon.
>
> Since you are working on upgrading...
>
> I would like to see some parameter(s) allow for input and output of 
> quotes and apostrophes  that did not "escape" quotes or apostrophes 
> (converting to entities).  w3Schools.com says only ampersands and "<" 
> are truly "illegal"  and so any xml processor really should escape 
> these... and they recommend also quotes, apostrophe's and closing  tag 
> marker ">" &gt;  also be converted... so, that is what Rev does... all 
> five of them. And I don't see a way to turn it off.

One of the nice things about Ken's XML library is that it handles CDATA 
nodes well, which makes working with html and other 'illegally' 
formatted node data very easy. While I use Rev's own XML extensively 
it's not great in this regard and while it reads in CDATA OK, its 
inability to create and maintain CDATA nodes is a major shortcoming 
IMO.

Terry...

Dr Terry Judd
Lecturer in Educational Technology (Design)
Biomedical Multimedia Unit
Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences
The University of Melbourne
Parkville VIC 3052
AUSTRALIA


From jbondy at sover.net  Wed Jul 13 19:19:38 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:19:38 -0400
Subject: how to pause a song??? please help
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760972@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760972@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <42D5A18A.7080707@sover.net>

Ban:

I uploaded my sample Player exactly for people like you!  There is a 
Pause button: just see how I coded it!  If you have problems finding the 
stack, just let me know, off the list, and I'll help you find it!

:)

Jon


Ban Nguyen wrote:

>Hello,
>
>I've been working on creating a pause button to stop an audio and
>clicking the button again to play the audio where it was stopped (not
>the beginning)
>
>I am using this code for pause button:
>
>on mouseUp
>    play pause audioClip "my clip"
>end mouseUp
>
>It stops for 1 second and play at the beginning. Anyone knows how to set
>it so it will play again where it was stopped.  Thank you.
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>
>  
>


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jul 13 19:20:09 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:20:09 -0700
Subject: maximizing the stack/card
In-Reply-To: <42D59DDA.9090903@tweedly.net>
References: <42D51954.5090203@sover.net>	<110A231F-F272-4481-B42E-49B574FA4016@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D528C8.3040703@sover.net>	<B79F0355-C73C-4C62-B57A-F5358BDD772C@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D53B77.7090203@sover.net>	<42D54960.5050405@fourthworld.com>	<0AA2B2C0-8F5C-40DC-AF06-5AB508E21643@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D54F27.60500@sover.net>	<42D553BB.7060805@fourthworld.com>	<42D5617A.2040709@tweedly.net>	<42D571A2.1010000@fourthworld.com>
	<42D59DDA.9090903@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <42D5A1A9.8000201@fourthworld.com>

Alex Tweedly wrote:
>> Most apps that have a single window for a universal toolbar do so in 
>> an MDI, but since we don't have MDI parent window classes there's not 
>> much we can do on that front.  And since MDI is being slowly retired 
>> anyway I'm not sure we'd want to invest in that at this time.
>>
>> With Rev, the toolbar is detached and, perhaps more significantly, 
>> cannot be moved.  So if the windowBoundingRect were not adjusted to 
>> account for it, it would be too easy to have a document window 
>> positioned beneath it so that we can't reach the drag bar.
> 
> Ummm - we're talking about MS Windows,  right ?

D'oh!  Good catch.  I must remember to sleep this week...

> The menu/tool bar isn't fixed position; I can move my toolbar anywhere I 
> want - both on Win-XP and back when I was on Win2000; and also it's not 
> full width, so there wouldn't be any problem reaching the drag bar of a 
> max'ed window beneath it. In fact, earlier on this thread, I mentioned 
> the fact that windowBoundingRect has its top set to be immediately below 
> the toolbar - even if that meant that the windowBoundingRect would be 
> off screen. That I'm sure is a bad idea; I can see the merit in trying 
> to keep the max'ed windows from obscuring the important IDE ones - but 
> they should have done the same with the toolbar as they did with the 
> floating tool palette - reduce the "max" size to avoid it *if* it's in 
> the "expected" place, otherwise ignore it.

Agreed.

But the main point worth noting for the folks here is that none of this 
affects one's own standalone apps.

The implementation of the windowBoundingRect in the engine is pretty 
nice, and as far as I can tell it conforms with expectations.

What Rev decides for their own app doesn't affect any decisions we can 
make with our own.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From bann at sunncomm.com  Wed Jul 13 19:33:56 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:33:56 -0700
Subject: how to pause a song??? please help
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760973@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>





>Hello,
>
>I've been working on creating a pause button to stop an audio and
>clicking the button again to play the audio where it was stopped (not
>the beginning)
>
>I am using this code for pause button:
>
>on mouseUp
>    play pause audioClip "my clip"
>end mouseUp
>
>It stops for 1 second and play at the beginning. Anyone knows how to
set
>it so it will play again where it was stopped.  Thank you.

------------------

I uploaded my sample Player exactly for people like you!  There is a 
Pause button: just see how I coded it!  If you have problems finding the

stack, just let me know, off the list, and I'll help you find it!

-------------------------------

I did not use player object at the beginning so cannot use this code:
....
start player "myPlayer"
stop player "myPlayer"
....

I use "play" command

So I don't know what to do now

I want to have a list of songs (9 songs) displayed on the scrollList so
user can select which song is played.  Is there anyway that I can use
JLBPlayer to do this.  I want to play .wav file

JLBplayer only plays mp3?

thanks


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jul 13 19:38:58 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:38:58 -0700
Subject: how to pause a song??? please help
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760973@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760973@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <42D5A612.80307@fourthworld.com>

Ban Nguyen wrote:
> I did not use player object at the beginning so cannot use this code:
> ....
> start player "myPlayer"
> stop player "myPlayer"
> ....
> 
> I use "play" command
> 
> So I don't know what to do now

You'll definitely want to use a player object.  The play command was 
implemented as a simple way to play some media files, but doesn't have 
nearly the range of capabilities as a player.

And because it's supported by QuickTime you'll get not only MP3 
playback, but also WAV, AIFF, AAC, AU, and dozens more....

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From bann at sunncomm.com  Wed Jul 13 19:50:07 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:50:07 -0700
Subject: how to pause a song??? please help
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760974@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>

> I did not use player object at the beginning so cannot use this code:
> ....
> start player "myPlayer"
> stop player "myPlayer"
> ....
> 
> I use "play" command
> 
> So I don't know what to do now

You'll definitely want to use a player object.  The play command was 
implemented as a simple way to play some media files, but doesn't have 
nearly the range of capabilities as a player.

And because it's supported by QuickTime you'll get not only MP3 
playback, but also WAV, AIFF, AAC, AU, and dozens more....

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com



-------------------------------

I really want to use the "player" object but I don't know how to use it
to play the song that imported into stack.  I have seen people use the
"player" object to open a song from local computer (such as
C:\songs\....).  I want to play song that imported into stack (9 songs).
I want to list these songs in the scrolling list field so user can
select a song to play.  Please help this is the last step that I need to
finish this project.  Klaus help me figure out how to make the volume
control and other button such as play, stop... work

-------------------------------





From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Jul 13 20:00:06 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:00:06 -0700
Subject: debugger anomaly updated
In-Reply-To: <42D58AB9.6010509@tweedly.net>
References: <p06200700befb32deb1f4@[10.0.1.2]> <42D58AB9.6010509@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <69719616.20050713170006@ahsoftware.net>

Alex-

Wednesday, July 13, 2005, 2:42:17 PM, you wrote:

AT> Would it be at all possible to write a stack that would "export" another
AT> stack to some textual format, and then another which would "import" it
AT> again (i.e. into a new clean stack)?

AT> I know the general problem is hard - but I also know that my own stacks

It's actually not that hard at all - that's the way my version control
system works. An object can be described completely by its combination
of properties, custom properties, and script. If you enumerate the
objects in a stack in a hierarchy from the stack to the cards to the
controls and save these off then you can recreate the whole thing or
just parts.


-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jbondy at sover.net  Wed Jul 13 20:03:13 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:03:13 -0400
Subject: how to pause a song??? please help
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760973@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760973@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <42D5ABC1.5010602@sover.net>

Ban:

Feel free to contact me off list if you want to pursue this just between 
the two of us.

You could take JLBPlayer and make the following changes to do what you want:

1) make the stack/window taller;
2) put nine buttons or fields on the taller window
3) create a MouseUp handler for each button.  Each handler plays one of 
the nine audio files, using the same code that I use to load and play audio.

:)

Jon

Ban Nguyen wrote:

>
>
>  
>
>>Hello,
>>
>>I've been working on creating a pause button to stop an audio and
>>clicking the button again to play the audio where it was stopped (not
>>the beginning)
>>
>>I am using this code for pause button:
>>
>>on mouseUp
>>   play pause audioClip "my clip"
>>end mouseUp
>>
>>It stops for 1 second and play at the beginning. Anyone knows how to
>>    
>>
>set
>  
>
>>it so it will play again where it was stopped.  Thank you.
>>    
>>
>
>------------------
>
>I uploaded my sample Player exactly for people like you!  There is a 
>Pause button: just see how I coded it!  If you have problems finding the
>
>stack, just let me know, off the list, and I'll help you find it!
>
>-------------------------------
>
>I did not use player object at the beginning so cannot use this code:
>....
>start player "myPlayer"
>stop player "myPlayer"
>....
>
>I use "play" command
>
>So I don't know what to do now
>
>I want to have a list of songs (9 songs) displayed on the scrollList so
>user can select which song is played.  Is there anyway that I can use
>JLBPlayer to do this.  I want to play .wav file
>
>JLBplayer only plays mp3?
>
>thanks
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From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Wed Jul 13 22:02:32 2005
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:02:32 -0700
Subject: debugger anomaly updated
In-Reply-To: <69719616.20050713170006@ahsoftware.net>
References: <p06200700befb32deb1f4@[10.0.1.2]>
	<42D58AB9.6010509@tweedly.net> <69719616.20050713170006@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <p06200701befb718a624b@[10.0.1.2]>

>Alex-
>
>Wednesday, July 13, 2005, 2:42:17 PM, you wrote:
>
>AT> Would it be at all possible to write a stack that would "export" another
>AT> stack to some textual format, and then another which would "import" it
>AT> again (i.e. into a new clean stack)?
>
>AT> I know the general problem is hard - but I also know that my own stacks
>
>It's actually not that hard at all - that's the way my version control
>system works. An object can be described completely by its combination
>of properties, custom properties, and script. If you enumerate the
>objects in a stack in a hierarchy from the stack to the cards to the
>controls and save these off then you can recreate the whole thing or
>just parts.
>
>
>--
>-Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net

Great thread, guys.

Similar ideas occurred to me. There's a HC stack that rebuilds a new 
stack from scratch, an identical copy of an existing stack. It was 
used to "rescue" corrupted HC stacks. Typically, it was able to 
rebuild a stack by bypassing a bad card. It's been widely used for 
years. as you probably know.

I was hoping someone had done something similar in Rev. In theory, 
the HC Rescue stack might be imported into Rev, though some 
additional features necessary for rebuilding Rev stacks would have to 
be added. Rev is so much more feature-rich than hyperCard that it 
might not be realistic, though. It would depend on the Rev stack that 
needed rebuilding. Some use more Rev features than others.

I hear-tell that nobody has written a Rev stack like this because Rev 
stacks rarely become corrupted.

Opinion poll: Have I seen the worst of these anomalies? What are the 
chances that they are a portent of worse things to come?

I agree with Dan. HC-->Rev is a marvel. I must take care to avoid 
future nightmares, though. I'm a do-it-yourself end-user, I depend on 
these stacks, and my ability to solve software problems is limited. 
Once they work right, I depend on them to keep on working right, year 
after year.


Cheers,


Tim


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jul 13 22:17:34 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:17:34 -0500
Subject: debugger anomaly updated
In-Reply-To: <p06200701befb718a624b@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <p06200700befb32deb1f4@[10.0.1.2]>	<42D58AB9.6010509@tweedly.net>
	<69719616.20050713170006@ahsoftware.net>
	<p06200701befb718a624b@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <42D5CB3E.1080809@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/13/05 9:02 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:

> There's a HC stack that rebuilds a new 
> stack from scratch, an identical copy of an existing stack. It was used 
> to "rescue" corrupted HC stacks. Typically, it was able to rebuild a 
> stack by bypassing a bad card. It's been widely used for years. as you 
> probably know.

If you are thinking of the "Recover" stack, that didn't do what Alex is 
describing. It just did a straight card copy from the old stack to the 
new. When it hit a bad card and crashed, it picked up on restart at the 
next card and kept on copying. It didn't recreate objects.

In the case of badly formed HC stacks, copying cards might just copy the 
bad parts along with the rest of the card and you'd be back where you 
started. Also, copying cards can create duplicate backgrounds (as it 
often did in HC) which isn't what you'd want.

Recreating objects individually from scratch by using a saved 
description probably would work fine, as long as the model placed 
background groups correctly.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jul 13 22:23:25 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:23:25 -0500
Subject: debugger anomaly updated
In-Reply-To: <42D599F5.7010602@fourthworld.com>
References: <p06200700befb32deb1f4@[10.0.1.2]> <42D58AB9.6010509@tweedly.net>
	<42D599F5.7010602@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <42D5CC9D.1060801@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/13/05 5:47 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> But perhaps simpler for this case might be to just strip all the cRev 
> custom properties. Chipp has a tool for that, and those are the only 
> places where flags could be stored which would affect debugging behavior 
> (other than in the IDE itself, of course, but then that's a project for 
> RunRev rather than us <g>).
> 

In this particular case, I think the problem is due to an incorrect HC 
import. The stack file structure on disk isn't right; the contents of 
the stack (properties, data, etc) aren't the problem. I've seen this 
occasionally with very old HC stacks. Apple changed the file format 
between HC 1.0 and 2.0. Stacks that were converted from 1.0 to 2.0 may 
have junk bits in the file that HC could deal with, but Rev can't.

I have seen this kind of badly formed HC import only two or three times. 
It is pretty rare and usually Rev does a good job with the import. But 
when nutty things like this debugging weirdness show up, I suspect the 
stack structure. So far these cases have been HC stacks that have been 
through any number of HC versions and then imported into Rev.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Jul 14 00:06:06 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:06:06 -0500
Subject: preserve vertical white space in XML?
In-Reply-To: <10DF3046-29FE-4EC4-BDF2-DC5CB584CB9B@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <BEFB4EDE.24C10%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 7/13/05 12:36 AM, "Sivakatirswami" <katir at hindu.org> wrote:

> Look forward to it... I've already  put a request in to our software
> acquisitions... you should see a new customer soon.
> 
> Since you are working on upgrading...
> 
> I would like to see some parameter(s) allow for input and output of
> quotes and apostrophes  that did not "escape" quotes or apostrophes
> (converting to entities).  w3Schools.com says only ampersands and "<"
> are truly "illegal"  and so any xml processor really should escape
> these... and they recommend also quotes, apostrophe's and closing
> tag marker ">" &gt;  also be converted... so, that is what Rev
> does... all five of them. And I don't see a way to turn it off.

Actually, my XML library doesn't escape anything automatically (at least I
don't *think* so - I'll check)... it will report an error if the XML can't
be parsed properly.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com



From mdswindell at charter.net  Thu Jul 14 01:51:01 2005
From: mdswindell at charter.net (Mark Swindell)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:51:01 -0700
Subject: Scrollbars in Rev
In-Reply-To: <15578ec1903b45edc4521dd5ad2e395f@interisland.net>
References: <20050713170004.AC8D9824D49@mail.runrev.com>
	<15578ec1903b45edc4521dd5ad2e395f@interisland.net>
Message-ID: <D99E9E6F-486D-4676-AA76-4CE9CE15CA54@charter.net>


On Jul 13, 2005, at 11:33 AM, Ken Norris wrote:

>>
>> That was what I was wondering... whether the OS provided the slider
>> graphics, and how that works internally since so many of the
>> characteristics are rev properties.   As for rolling one's own, I
>> guess that's the option to use for X-platform, as the sliders in
>> Windows look terrible to my MacCentric eye.  But as scrollbars and
>> sliders are very important tools I would think that there could be
>> several built-in style options that would appear identically X- 
>> platform.
>>
> =========================
>
> Well, the caveat is that the OS' don't really offer much 'style'  
> options other than those already usable by Rev. Are you concerned  
> with appearance or mechanics?


Only by appearance.   I've got a "look and feel"  going on in a  
program I'm developing and the sliders should be somewhat  
aesthetically tasteful to fit in.


>
> Mechanical operations are a function of the engine's hooks into the  
> appropriate control API's for the platform in question, which Rev  
> refers to as properties. These are reliable, because Rev is only  
> assigning these properties, and after that has nothing to do with  
> it other than I/O values from events. In most if not all cases, the  
> OS takes over and actually draws and operates the control from events.

Which is a good thing, but I don't need speed beyond what could be  
cobbled together in Rev.

>
> IOW, if you make a totally custom scrollbar cobbled together from  
> other Rev/MC objects, i.e., which operates from API's outside the  
> standard ones for a particular control type, performance will  
> surely suffer to some degree or other.

Probably not enough to matter.  I'll have to find out.

>
> OTOH, you _can_ change _appearance themes_ from Aqua to something  
> else (but not the operational properties), meaning it will be  
> system-wide, not just your Rev application:
>

Right on.  So if Unsanity can do it, so can Rev, right?  But just for  
sliders and scrollbars.  These, when not a part of a window theme,  
shouldn't have to be bound by the system look and feel.   At least  
that's how I look at it and feel about it.  But this is soooo far  
beyond what my limited skills could hope to accomplish that the  
banana is starting to look very "aesthetically pleasing."  (No  
offense, Klaus.)

Anyway, thank you, Ken for the clarification.
Mark






From r.beynon at liv.ac.uk  Thu Jul 14 02:57:18 2005
From: r.beynon at liv.ac.uk (Rob Beynon)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:57:18 +0100
Subject: Global scope of functions
Message-ID: <275056345.20050714075718@liv.ac.uk>

Dear Colleagues
I'm producing a new tool for my research, and I'm trying to do this
'properly'. In other words, I am trying to cut down the amount of coding
scattered through the application (buttons, menus etc) and put calls
to functions or handlers at these locations. I then assemble all the
functions and handlers in the stack script (app is a 1 card stack).

Is this the logical way forward, or have others found better ways?

-- 
All best wishes,
Rob

(Created at 07:52 on 14/07/2005)



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From xbury.cs at clearstream.com  Thu Jul 14 03:03:44 2005
From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:03:44 +0200
Subject: Global scope of functions
In-Reply-To: <275056345.20050714075718@liv.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <OF4162ECD1.DBBFF897-ONC125703E.0026788B-C125703E.0026B702@deutsche-boerse.com>

Hi Rob

Yes, that's the way. However if it is only one card, clarity can be 
improved 
if your card related scripts are in the card scripts and the stack-only
related scripts reside in the stack script. This is IMOHO the best way
 for future expansions of the software.

If you have more than one card (in a background group for example) then
it's best to keep things in the background script instead of the card. The
card script being only local to that card. Naturally the stack script 
applies
again here. But if there are 2 backgrounds, then the stack scripts may 
introduce conflicts between group operations...

The advantage of the stack script is that it sees it all in the stack...

cheers
Xavier

On 14/07/2005 08:57:18 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>Dear Colleagues
>I'm producing a new tool for my research, and I'm trying to do this
>'properly'. In other words, I am trying to cut down the amount of coding
>scattered through the application (buttons, menus etc) and put calls
>to functions or handlers at these locations. I then assemble all the
>functions and handlers in the stack script (app is a 1 card stack).
>
>Is this the logical way forward, or have others found better ways?
>
>--
>All best wishes,
>Rob
>
>(Created at 07:52 on 14/07/2005)
>
>
>
>==============================================================
>Prof. Rob Beynon                    |+44 151 794 4312 (voice)
>Dept. Veterinary Preclinical        |+44 151 794 4243 (fax)
>Sciences, University of Liverpool,
>Crown Street, Liverpool L69 7ZJ     |mailto:r.beynon at liv.ac.uk
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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Jul 14 03:56:55 2005
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:56:55 +0200
Subject: Scrollbars in Rev
In-Reply-To: <D99E9E6F-486D-4676-AA76-4CE9CE15CA54@charter.net>
References: <20050713170004.AC8D9824D49@mail.runrev.com>
	<15578ec1903b45edc4521dd5ad2e395f@interisland.net>
	<D99E9E6F-486D-4676-AA76-4CE9CE15CA54@charter.net>
Message-ID: <C4899E4D-4F54-46FF-AEF3-26496BC46558@major-k.de>

Hi Mark,

> ...
>>
>> OTOH, you _can_ change _appearance themes_ from Aqua to something  
>> else (but not the operational properties), meaning it will be  
>> system-wide, not just your Rev application:
>>
> Right on.  So if Unsanity can do it, so can Rev, right?  But just  
> for sliders and scrollbars.  These, when not a part of a window  
> theme, shouldn't have to be bound by the system look and feel.   At  
> least that's how I look at it and feel about it.  But this is soooo  
> far beyond what my limited skills could hope to accomplish that the  
> banana is starting to look very "aesthetically pleasing."  (No  
> offense, Klaus.)

No problem :-)

Feel free to use a more "aesthetically pleasing" fruit :-D
Not tried vegetables yet...

> Anyway, thank you, Ken for the clarification.
> Mark

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From rev at armbase.com  Thu Jul 14 04:26:40 2005
From: rev at armbase.com (rev at armbase.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:26:40 +0100
Subject: Scrollbars in Rev
In-Reply-To: <C4899E4D-4F54-46FF-AEF3-26496BC46558@major-k.de>
References: <20050713170004.AC8D9824D49@mail.runrev.com>
	<15578ec1903b45edc4521dd5ad2e395f@interisland.net>
	<D99E9E6F-486D-4676-AA76-4CE9CE15CA54@charter.net>
	<C4899E4D-4F54-46FF-AEF3-26496BC46558@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <1121329600.42d621c007644@webmail.armbase.com>

Quoting Klaus Major <klaus at major-k.de>:

> Hi Mark,
>
> > ...
> >>
> >> OTOH, you _can_ change _appearance themes_ from Aqua to something
> >> else (but not the operational properties), meaning it will be
> >> system-wide, not just your Rev application:
> >>
> > Right on.  So if Unsanity can do it, so can Rev, right?  But just
> > for sliders and scrollbars.  These, when not a part of a window
> > theme, shouldn't have to be bound by the system look and feel.   At
> > least that's how I look at it and feel about it.  But this is soooo
> > far beyond what my limited skills could hope to accomplish that the
> > banana is starting to look very "aesthetically pleasing."  (No
> > offense, Klaus.)
>
> No problem :-)
>
> Feel free to use a more "aesthetically pleasing" fruit :-D
> Not tried vegetables yet...

I take it you have a scrollbar that is a sliding banana.


OK Klaus. I've thought of a thousand ways to ask this but no-one is different
from the rest. So here goes.....

Where can I get a hold of your sliding banana?

All the best
Bob

>
> > Anyway, thank you, Ken for the clarification.
> > Mark
>
> Regards
>
> Klaus Major
> klaus at major-k.de
> http://www.major-k.de
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Jul 14 04:35:11 2005
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:35:11 +0200
Subject: Scrollbars in Rev
In-Reply-To: <1121329600.42d621c007644@webmail.armbase.com>
References: <20050713170004.AC8D9824D49@mail.runrev.com>
	<15578ec1903b45edc4521dd5ad2e395f@interisland.net>
	<D99E9E6F-486D-4676-AA76-4CE9CE15CA54@charter.net>
	<C4899E4D-4F54-46FF-AEF3-26496BC46558@major-k.de>
	<1121329600.42d621c007644@webmail.armbase.com>
Message-ID: <DA7E7D45-E0F7-4686-A060-34B6C13E70B2@major-k.de>

Hi Bob,

>> ...
>> No problem :-)
>> Feel free to use a more "aesthetically pleasing" fruit :-D
>> Not tried vegetables yet...
> I take it you have a scrollbar that is a sliding banana.

Yep :-)

> OK Klaus. I've thought of a thousand ways to ask this but no-one is  
> different
> from the rest. So here goes.....
>
> Where can I get a hold of your sliding banana?

YOU CAN'T, NAUGHTY BOY!

But you can download an example stack from RevOnline:

User: klausimausi
Stack: Custom volume slider

:-)

> All the best
> Bob

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Jul 14 04:52:55 2005
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:52:55 +0200
Subject: showController for audio question???
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760971@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760971@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <E325BC7E-953A-4B04-B321-B7C861294CE2@major-k.de>

Hi Ban,

> Since you do not work with player objects you should change the  
> line to:
>
> on scrollbardrag t_value
>     set the playloudness to t_value
> end scrollbardrag
>
> ----->It works.  Thanks
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> --
> --
>
> I use this code for the pause button:
> on mouseUp
>     global gClickVar
>     play pause audioClip gClickVar
> end mouseUp
>
> It stops the song and plays the beginning of the song when I  
> release the
> mouse.  I want to pause it and click again to continue play (not
> beginning)
>
> Klaus, do you have any idea?  Thanks

yes, new day, new idea :-)
(It is 10:30 AM here in germany)

There are some ways to do this, and it depends if you are using icons  
or just
label in your buttons...

But here is an idea that will always work (hopefully ;-)

on mouseUp
     global gClickVar
     if the sound is "done" then
        play resume ac gClickVar
     else
       play pause ac gClickVar
    end if
end mouseUp

ac = abbrev. for audioClip

This will check, if the sound is NOT playing (= "done"),
which menas it has been stopped somehow and will (try) to
resume the sound.

Otherwise (sound is PLAYING = NOT "done") it will simply pause
the sound...

NOT tested yet!


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Thu Jul 14 05:00:25 2005
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:00:25 +0200
Subject: list with repeats spaced apart
Message-ID: <p06200710befbd8e0b185@ezpzapps.com>

I am stumped...argh.

I have a list of short movie files, the movies are to be played in rotation.

Each movie followed by a tab and then a number. The number is the number of
times it is to be placed (repeated) in the list (shown in a rotation).

0099ts2729bs.mov 5
0085ts1316bs.mov 1
0091ts0918bs.mov 2
0077ts0913bs.mov 1
0032ts2930bs.mov 3
0089ts2126bs.mov 1
0075ts0919bl.mov 1
0076ts0919br.mov 4
0001ts0313bs.mov 1


The real list will probably be close to 100 different movies, I am using
the list shown above as an example. Each movie will be played somewhere
between 1 to 5 times in the rotation.

Ideally I would like to have all repeated movies separated as much as possible
so they do not play (repeat) too closely in the rotation. In other 
words it would
be nice if repeated movies are spaced as far apart as possible.

I need a script which will take such a list as shown above and then
provide me with a rotation list as described.

Any ideas on how to do this?

ciao & thanks,
sims


From mark at maseurope.net  Thu Jul 14 05:27:01 2005
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:27:01 +0100
Subject: list with repeats spaced apart
In-Reply-To: <p06200710befbd8e0b185@ezpzapps.com>
References: <p06200710befbd8e0b185@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <b04198945f07f26d1e25eb81c2dd5a48@maseurope.net>

Untested, and probably rather slow on very long lists:

sourceList would be a list such as the example you gave.

function makePlayList sourceList
   repeat until sourceList is empty
     put random(the number of lines in sourceList) into nextLine
     put word 1 of line nextLine of sourceList & cr after playList
     subtract 1 from word -1 of line nextLine of sourceList
     if word -1 of line nextLine of sourceList = 0 then delete line 
nextLine of sourceList
   end repeat
   return char 1 to -2 of playlist
end makePlayList



cheers,

Mark

On 14 Jul 2005, at 10:00, sims wrote:

> I am stumped...argh.
>
> I have a list of short movie files, the movies are to be played in 
> rotation.
>
> Each movie followed by a tab and then a number. The number is the 
> number of
> times it is to be placed (repeated) in the list (shown in a rotation).
>
> 0099ts2729bs.mov 5
> 0085ts1316bs.mov 1
> 0091ts0918bs.mov 2
> 0077ts0913bs.mov 1
> 0032ts2930bs.mov 3
> 0089ts2126bs.mov 1
> 0075ts0919bl.mov 1
> 0076ts0919br.mov 4
> 0001ts0313bs.mov 1
>
>
> The real list will probably be close to 100 different movies, I am 
> using
> the list shown above as an example. Each movie will be played somewhere
> between 1 to 5 times in the rotation.
>
> Ideally I would like to have all repeated movies separated as much as 
> possible
> so they do not play (repeat) too closely in the rotation. In other 
> words it would
> be nice if repeated movies are spaced as far apart as possible.
>
> I need a script which will take such a list as shown above and then
> provide me with a rotation list as described.
>
> Any ideas on how to do this?
>
> ciao & thanks,
> sims
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Jul 14 05:48:35 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:48:35 +0200
Subject: list with repeats spaced apart
In-Reply-To: <p06200710befbd8e0b185@ezpzapps.com>
References: <p06200710befbd8e0b185@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <7252FA1E-8EAA-4B22-BF18-92A3CA9D73B3@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Sims,

Quick and dirty but fast and working as expected ;-)

function ExpandedList pList
   local  
tTotal,tLine,tSubTotal,tCurLineNo,tBestGap,tRawExpandedList,tExpandedLis 
t
   -----
   set the itemDel to tab
   sort pList numeric descending by item 2 of each
   put 0 into tTotal
   -----
   repeat for each line tLine in pList
     add item -1 of tLine to tTotal
   end repeat
   -----
   repeat for each line tLine in pList
     put lineOffset(tLine,pList) into tCurLineNo
     put item -1 of tLine into tSubTotal
     put tTotal div tSubTotal into tBestGap
     -----
     repeat with i = 1 to tSubTotal
       if line tCurLineNo of tRawExpandedList = cr then
         put item 1 of tLine into line tCurLineNo of tRawExpandedList
       else put cr & item 1 of tLine after line tCurLineNo of  
tRawExpandedList
       add tBestGap to tCurLineNo
     end repeat
   end repeat
   -----
   repeat for each line tLine in tRawExpandedList
     if ".mov" is in tLine then put tLine & cr after tExpandedList
   end repeat
   delete char -1 of tExpandedList
   -----
   return tExpandedList
end ExpandedList

Le 14 juil. 05 ? 11:00, sims a ?crit :

> I have a list of short movie files, the movies are to be played in  
> rotation.
>
> Each movie followed by a tab and then a number. The number is the  
> number of
> times it is to be placed (repeated) in the list (shown in a rotation).
>
> 0099ts2729bs.mov 5
> 0085ts1316bs.mov 1
> 0091ts0918bs.mov 2
> 0077ts0913bs.mov 1
> 0032ts2930bs.mov 3
> 0089ts2126bs.mov 1
> 0075ts0919bl.mov 1
> 0076ts0919br.mov 4
> 0001ts0313bs.mov 1
>
>
> The real list will probably be close to 100 different movies, I am  
> using
> the list shown above as an example. Each movie will be played  
> somewhere
> between 1 to 5 times in the rotation.
>
> Ideally I would like to have all repeated movies separated as much  
> as possible
> so they do not play (repeat) too closely in the rotation. In other  
> words it would
> be nice if repeated movies are spaced as far apart as possible.
>
> I need a script which will take such a list as shown above and then
> provide me with a rotation list as described.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Jul 14 07:36:54 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:36:54 +0200
Subject: [ANN][EN][FR] New Sophisticated Plugin from So Smart Software
Message-ID: <01B48D69-C97E-4E73-8D49-36720D29BF89@sosmartsoftware.com>

Paris, Thursday, 14 July 2005
Bastille Day :-)

---------------------- English version -------------------------

Hello,

So Smart Software today announces the availability of Resources  
Picker, a new plugin for the Revolution family of software  
development tools. Resources Picker lets users search and retrieve  
information about Revolution from the built-in documentation, stacks,  
mailing lists and web sites.
The plugin comes with a help stack in French and English and is  
available for Mac OS 9/10 and Windows XP (and should work on Linux :-)

Resources Picker searches for information from four main sources:

1. Contextual and intelligent search through four aspects of the  
Revolution documentation: FAQ, dictionary, topics section and  
cookbook recipes.
2. Public Revolution related mailing lists by utilising the users web  
browser and a choice of three main search engines (Google, Gmane and  
Mail Archive). Support is also provided for direct additional links  
to Google Advanced Search, Gmane by threads and Mail Archive by  
threads or by date. Automated preparation of posts to the use- 
Revolution or Education lists.
3. Revolution related relevant web resources: websites, stacks and  
files etc. through a local customizable database, an index of the  
contents of Rev Online and an index of the contents of RevNet.
4. An "All the Web" search from within the IDE with a choice of three  
engines: Google, Yahoo or MSN.

This announcement brings to fourteen the number of free Revolution  
plugins available from So Smart Software.
For further details, screenshots and downloads, please visit http:// 
www.sosmartsoftware.com

Best regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.


--------------------- Version fran?aise ------------------------

Bonjour,

So Smart Software (http://www.sosmartsoftware.com) a le plaisir  
d'annoncer la sortie de Resources Picker, un nouveau plugin pour  
DreamCard/Revolution.

Resources Picker recherche et affiche des informations li?es ?  
Revolution tir?es de la documentation, de piles, des listes de  
diffusion et de sites web.
Le plugin est liv?e avec une pile d'aide en fran?ais et en anglais.  
Il est compatible Mac OS 9/10 et Windows XP (et devrait fonctionner  
correctement avec Linux :-)

Resources Picker recherche l'information dans quatres domaines  
principaux :

1. Dans 4 aspects de la documentation de Revolution de fa?on  
contextuelle et intelligente : FAQ (questions couramment pos?es), le  
dictionnaire, la section des th?mes et le livre de recettes.
2. Dans les listes de diffusion (mailing lists) d?di?es ? Revolution  
en utilisant le navigateur web de l'utilisateur et avec le choix  
entre 3 moteurs de recherche : Google, Gmane et Mail Archive. Des  
liens additionnels sont fournis pour acc?der ? la recherche avanc?e  
de Google, Gmane par fils et Mail Archive par fils ou par date.  
Pr?paration automatis?e de l'envoi de couriel aux listes use- 
Revolution ou Education
3. Dans des ressources web pertinentes quant ? Revolution : sites  
web, piles, fichiers, etc. ? travers d'une base de donn?es  
param?trable et de 2 index des contenus de Rev Online et RevNet.
4. Dans "Tout le Web" depuis l'IDE avec le choix entre 3 moteurs :  
Google, Yahoo ou MSN.

Cette annonce porte ? 14 le nombre de plugins offerts par So Smart  
Software.
Pour plus de d?tails, copies d'?crans et t?l?chargements, merci de  
vous rendre sur http://www.sosmartsoftware.com

Cordialement,

Eric Chatonet.

-------------------------------------------------------------------
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Pour les institutionnels, les entreprises et les associations
Des logiciels sur mesure : gestion, multim?dia, internet, etc.
Windows, Mac OS et Linux... Avec la "french touch"

For institutions, companies and associations
Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc.
Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch
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From Hamburger1 at aol.com  Thu Jul 14 07:55:25 2005
From: Hamburger1 at aol.com (Hamburger1 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:55:25 EDT
Subject: Newbie Question
Message-ID: <1f8.da877ae.3007acad@aol.com>

I'm in the process of switching from HyperCard. I put several handlers & 
functions in my home stack that are used in other stacks. Where do I put these 
scripts in Revolution?


From xbury.cs at clearstream.com  Thu Jul 14 07:58:55 2005
From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:58:55 +0200
Subject: Newbie Question
In-Reply-To: <1f8.da877ae.3007acad@aol.com>
Message-ID: <OF5852D134.31376F47-ONC125703E.0041C7B1-C125703E.0041BD7C@deutsche-boerse.com>

Hi Hamburger

You can either do a frontscript or the good old stackinuse

cheers
Xavier

On 14/07/2005 13:55:25 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>I'm in the process of switching from HyperCard. I put several handlers &
>functions in my home stack that are used in other stacks. Where do I put 
these
>scripts in Revolution?
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From sims at ezpzapps.com  Thu Jul 14 08:01:48 2005
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:01:48 +0200
Subject: list with repeats spaced apart
In-Reply-To: <7252FA1E-8EAA-4B22-BF18-92A3CA9D73B3@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <p06200710befbd8e0b185@ezpzapps.com>
	<7252FA1E-8EAA-4B22-BF18-92A3CA9D73B3@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <p0620071bbefc038c614f@[10.0.0.11]>

At 11:48 AM +0200 7/14/05, Eric Chatonet wrote:
>Quick and dirty but fast and working as expected ;-)



Thank you Eric & Mark! The winner for spaced items goes to Eric.

Merci beaucoup, mon ami.

ciao,
sims


From jbondy at sover.net  Thu Jul 14 08:05:02 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:05:02 -0400
Subject: [ANN][EN][FR] New Sophisticated Plugin from So Smart Software
In-Reply-To: <01B48D69-C97E-4E73-8D49-36720D29BF89@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <01B48D69-C97E-4E73-8D49-36720D29BF89@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <42D654EE.7080507@sover.net>

Eric, you are amazing.  When do you sleep?  How do you make a living?

:)

Jon


Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Paris, Thursday, 14 July 2005
> Bastille Day :-)
>
> ---------------------- English version -------------------------
>
> Hello,
>
> So Smart Software today announces the availability of Resources  
> Picker, a new plugin for the Revolution family of software  
> development tools. Resources Picker lets users search and retrieve  
> information about Revolution from the built-in documentation, stacks,  
> mailing lists and web sites.
> The plugin comes with a help stack in French and English and is  
> available for Mac OS 9/10 and Windows XP (and should work on Linux :-)
>
> Resources Picker searches for information from four main sources:
>
> 1. Contextual and intelligent search through four aspects of the  
> Revolution documentation: FAQ, dictionary, topics section and  
> cookbook recipes.
> 2. Public Revolution related mailing lists by utilising the users web  
> browser and a choice of three main search engines (Google, Gmane and  
> Mail Archive). Support is also provided for direct additional links  
> to Google Advanced Search, Gmane by threads and Mail Archive by  
> threads or by date. Automated preparation of posts to the use- 
> Revolution or Education lists.
> 3. Revolution related relevant web resources: websites, stacks and  
> files etc. through a local customizable database, an index of the  
> contents of Rev Online and an index of the contents of RevNet.
> 4. An "All the Web" search from within the IDE with a choice of three  
> engines: Google, Yahoo or MSN.
>
> This announcement brings to fourteen the number of free Revolution  
> plugins available from So Smart Software.
> For further details, screenshots and downloads, please visit http:// 
> www.sosmartsoftware.com
>
> Best regards from Paris,
>
> Eric Chatonet.
>
>
> --------------------- Version fran?aise ------------------------
>
> Bonjour,
>
> So Smart Software (http://www.sosmartsoftware.com) a le plaisir  
> d'annoncer la sortie de Resources Picker, un nouveau plugin pour  
> DreamCard/Revolution.
>
> Resources Picker recherche et affiche des informations li?es ?  
> Revolution tir?es de la documentation, de piles, des listes de  
> diffusion et de sites web.
> Le plugin est liv?e avec une pile d'aide en fran?ais et en anglais.  
> Il est compatible Mac OS 9/10 et Windows XP (et devrait fonctionner  
> correctement avec Linux :-)
>
> Resources Picker recherche l'information dans quatres domaines  
> principaux :
>
> 1. Dans 4 aspects de la documentation de Revolution de fa?on  
> contextuelle et intelligente : FAQ (questions couramment pos?es), le  
> dictionnaire, la section des th?mes et le livre de recettes.
> 2. Dans les listes de diffusion (mailing lists) d?di?es ? Revolution  
> en utilisant le navigateur web de l'utilisateur et avec le choix  
> entre 3 moteurs de recherche : Google, Gmane et Mail Archive. Des  
> liens additionnels sont fournis pour acc?der ? la recherche avanc?e  
> de Google, Gmane par fils et Mail Archive par fils ou par date.  
> Pr?paration automatis?e de l'envoi de couriel aux listes use- 
> Revolution ou Education
> 3. Dans des ressources web pertinentes quant ? Revolution : sites  
> web, piles, fichiers, etc. ? travers d'une base de donn?es  
> param?trable et de 2 index des contenus de Rev Online et RevNet.
> 4. Dans "Tout le Web" depuis l'IDE avec le choix entre 3 moteurs :  
> Google, Yahoo ou MSN.
>
> Cette annonce porte ? 14 le nombre de plugins offerts par So Smart  
> Software.
> Pour plus de d?tails, copies d'?crans et t?l?chargements, merci de  
> vous rendre sur http://www.sosmartsoftware.com
>
> Cordialement,
>
> Eric Chatonet.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> So Smart Software
>
> Pour les institutionnels, les entreprises et les associations
> Des logiciels sur mesure : gestion, multim?dia, internet, etc.
> Windows, Mac OS et Linux... Avec la "french touch"
>
> For institutions, companies and associations
> Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc.
> Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Web site        http://www.sosmartsoftware.com
> Email        eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com
> Phone        33 (0) 143 317 762
> Mobile        33 (0) 620 745 086
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>
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> subscription preferences:
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From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Thu Jul 14 09:17:18 2005
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:17:18 +0100
Subject: App Browser Woes.....
In-Reply-To: <7252FA1E-8EAA-4B22-BF18-92A3CA9D73B3@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <p06200710befbd8e0b185@ezpzapps.com>
	<7252FA1E-8EAA-4B22-BF18-92A3CA9D73B3@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <a05210600befc15f07e39@[192.168.80.101]>

Hi,

How come when I change something in my stack, like the layer number 
or the object name etc. It doesn't change in the App Browser Window?

I am running RunRev 2.6.5 build 108 on Mac OS X Tiger 10.4.2.

Does anyone else have this problem??

Thanks a lot
Dave


From yoursignup at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 14 09:27:18 2005
From: yoursignup at yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:27:18 -1000
Subject: App Browser Woes.....
In-Reply-To: <a05210600befc15f07e39@[192.168.80.101]>
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLIEPLHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>

me too.

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of David
Burgun
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 3:17 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: App Browser Woes.....


Hi,

How come when I change something in my stack, like the layer number
or the object name etc. It doesn't change in the App Browser Window?

I am running RunRev 2.6.5 build 108 on Mac OS X Tiger 10.4.2.

Does anyone else have this problem??

Thanks a lot
Dave
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From dam-pro.girard at laposte.net  Thu Jul 14 10:40:48 2005
From: dam-pro.girard at laposte.net (Damien Girard)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:40:48 +0200
Subject: Revolution Bsd unix engine doesn't start
In-Reply-To: <42D654EE.7080507@sover.net>
References: <01B48D69-C97E-4E73-8D49-36720D29BF89@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<42D654EE.7080507@sover.net>
Message-ID: <1121352048.2206.5.camel@White-Side>

Hi all,

I am under FreeBSD 5.4, so I wan't to see if Runrev work under Bsd, I am
going to the Runtime Revolution website, I download the Bsd engine
(2.2.1) and Revolution 2.6 (linux tgz).

I uncompress all files, I open a terminal emulator, and I done that :

----
damien at White-Side$ ./Bsd

----

And nothing else is done, Runrev doesn't start.
Runrev bug ?

I have also tryed with Revolution.x86 (FreeBSD have Linux emulation
binaries), and I have got this error :

----
damien at White-Side$ ./revolution.x86
./revolution.x86: error while loading shared
libraries: /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6: ELF file OS ABI invalid
---

-----------------
Damien Girard
Email: dam-pro.girard at laposte.net



From revlist at cableone.net  Thu Jul 14 10:52:11 2005
From: revlist at cableone.net (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:52:11 -0600
Subject: App Browser Woes.....
In-Reply-To: <a05210600befc15f07e39@[192.168.80.101]>
References: <p06200710befbd8e0b185@ezpzapps.com>
	<7252FA1E-8EAA-4B22-BF18-92A3CA9D73B3@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<a05210600befc15f07e39@[192.168.80.101]>
Message-ID: <E79AD4F1-B510-4391-A488-FEF37E40BA73@cableone.net>

Yes, and it drives me crazy!

There are messages that can be sent to the App Browser that will  
refresh the lists (something that could be done from the Message  
Box), but I haven't quite figured out the right combination yet.   
I'll keep at it and let you know if I find anything.  In the  
meantime, one thing I've found that works to refresh the list is to  
edit a group (select a group on the current card, edit it, then stop  
editing it; the list will refresh after that).  I know kind of  
clunky, and doesn't work, of course, unless you have a group  
somewhere that you can edit.  :-)

Anyway, this is one thing that I really hope gets fixed soon.  You  
could also try Jerry Daniels' new Constellation, which is a property  
editor, script editor, and object browser all rolled into one <http:// 
www.daniels-mara.com/products/>.  Very cool!

Chris


On Jul 14, 2005, at 7:17 AM, David Burgun wrote:

> Hi,
>
> How come when I change something in my stack, like the layer number  
> or the object name etc. It doesn't change in the App Browser Window?
>
> I am running RunRev 2.6.5 build 108 on Mac OS X Tiger 10.4.2.
>
> Does anyone else have this problem??
>
> Thanks a lot
> Dave
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------------------------------------------
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Read Naturally
The Fluency Company
http://www.readnaturally.com
------------------------------------------




From revlist at cableone.net  Thu Jul 14 11:09:40 2005
From: revlist at cableone.net (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:09:40 -0600
Subject: I need help with custom cursors
In-Reply-To: <86BADBA1-C283-4764-AEDE-F8C8721190FD@cableone.net>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445E4@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
	<B8014442-F065-4065-9D0E-D7A0A2B808CB@cableone.net>
	<86BADBA1-C283-4764-AEDE-F8C8721190FD@cableone.net>
Message-ID: <23C94F7D-B48E-45AF-8A53-65BF1D625D4F@cableone.net>

For anyone who is even remotely interested, Jonathan has figured out  
this little problem.

It turns out that using black in the cursor images is the problem.   
So use some other color very close to black (RGB 1,0,0 for example)  
instead of black.  Then after importing your image into Rev, use  
Rev's pencil tool to change a pixel or two, then just undo your  
changes (I'm not sure what exactly this does, but it doesn't work  
without this step).  Then just set your cursor like normal.  Works  
like a charm.

Thanks again, Jonathan.

Chris



On Jul 13, 2005, at 2:31 PM, Chris Sheffield wrote:

> Well, since no other ideas appear to be coming in, I'm wondering if  
> anyone out there has any custom cursors that work that you would be  
> willing to share.  I'm looking for an hourglass along with left,  
> right, up and down pointing fingers (much like they had/have in the  
> Myst games.  Anyone?
>
> Thanks.
>

------------------------------------------
Chris Sheffield
Read Naturally
The Fluency Company
http://www.readnaturally.com
------------------------------------------




From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Thu Jul 14 11:12:23 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:12:23 -0400
Subject: I need help with custom cursors
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9968098@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

Your welcome, Chris...

One thing Chris pointed out to me upon his experimenting with this - he
said that 16x16 images worked fine on WinXp as long as black was not
used. This could be useful in avoiding having to make different sets of
cursors for cross-platform distribution.

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sheffield
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 11:10 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: I need help with custom cursors

For anyone who is even remotely interested, Jonathan has figured out  
this little problem.

It turns out that using black in the cursor images is the problem.   
So use some other color very close to black (RGB 1,0,0 for example)  
instead of black.  Then after importing your image into Rev, use  
Rev's pencil tool to change a pixel or two, then just undo your  
changes (I'm not sure what exactly this does, but it doesn't work  
without this step).  Then just set your cursor like normal.  Works  
like a charm.

Thanks again, Jonathan.

Chris



On Jul 13, 2005, at 2:31 PM, Chris Sheffield wrote:

> Well, since no other ideas appear to be coming in, I'm wondering if  
> anyone out there has any custom cursors that work that you would be  
> willing to share.  I'm looking for an hourglass along with left,  
> right, up and down pointing fingers (much like they had/have in the  
> Myst games.  Anyone?
>
> Thanks.
>

------------------------------------------
Chris Sheffield
Read Naturally
The Fluency Company
http://www.readnaturally.com
------------------------------------------


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From revdan at danshafer.com  Thu Jul 14 11:29:44 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:29:44 -0700
Subject: Newbie Question
In-Reply-To: <1f8.da877ae.3007acad@aol.com>
References: <1f8.da877ae.3007acad@aol.com>
Message-ID: <EFFF1C6F-E7F0-46B6-BE4E-9F8EAB54AE84@danshafer.com>

Hi, Hamburger1!

Welcome to the Revolution.

WHile there are lots of options for this in Rev (Xavier has already  
pointed out two), as an old stackhead myself I think the best way to  
do this is to create a stack (you can even call it "Home" for all Rev  
cares!) to store all of this reusable stuff in and then when you have  
a stack where you want to use it, just use a command like:

start using stack "Home"

This creates what Rev calls a "library" stack. It is so darned  
efficient and effective that once you get used to it you'll wonder  
how you lived without it. I have several such libraries that contain  
related groups of scripts.

You'll also want to spend some time understanding the message path in  
Rev, which is sufficiently different from HyperCard's to cause some  
confusion in the early going. My book, "Revolution: Software at th  
Speed of Thought", is available through the RunRev store and has a  
good discussion of the topic but may be a bit introductory level for  
someone with serious HC experience. Richard Gaskin over at  
FourthWorld has a great white paper on the message path and how you  
can extend it with libraries, front and back scripts, etc. (URL:  
http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/ 
revolution_message_path.html).


On Jul 14, 2005, at 4:55 AM, Hamburger1 at aol.com wrote:

> I'm in the process of switching from HyperCard. I put several  
> handlers &
> functions in my home stack that are used in other stacks. Where do  
> I put these
> scripts in Revolution?
> _______________________________________________


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
 From the RunRev online store






From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jul 14 11:59:08 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:59:08 -0500
Subject: PING Frank Leahy
Message-ID: <42D68BCC.1020702@hyperactivesw.com>

Frank, I've been trying to get ahold of you but I may have the wrong 
email address, or my mail isn't going through for some reason. Sorry to 
bother the list, but if you see this could you write to me offline 
immediately?

Thanks.

Jacque
-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Jul 14 12:10:25 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:10:25 +0200
Subject: App Browser Woes.....
In-Reply-To: <a05210600befc15f07e39@[192.168.80.101]>
References: <p06200710befbd8e0b185@ezpzapps.com>
	<7252FA1E-8EAA-4B22-BF18-92A3CA9D73B3@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<a05210600befc15f07e39@[192.168.80.101]>
Message-ID: <C789A057-573C-45FF-AACF-C8CCBEA5AE62@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Dave and Chris,

To be precise, the problem came with Rev 2.5.1. (no problem with 2.5)
In order to save time, runRev guys imagined to keep the current  
controls list into a cache and rebuild this list only when a control  
was deleted or added.
So, you have just to open the script of the revApplicationOverview  
stack and search for the revControlList function and comment the  
following lines:

  if the number of lines in lControlCache[pCard] is tNumControls
  then return lControlCache[pCard]

I have no time now but may be I shall find a couple of minutes to  
write a patch stack to morrow :-)

Le 14 juil. 05 ? 15:17, David Burgun a ?crit :

> How come when I change something in my stack, like the layer number  
> or the object name etc. It doesn't change in the App Browser Window?
> I am running RunRev 2.6.5 build 108 on Mac OS X Tiger 10.4.2.
> Does anyone else have this problem??

Copy to runRev support.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From ms1 at soas.ac.uk  Thu Jul 14 12:24:38 2005
From: ms1 at soas.ac.uk (Muaadh salih)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:24:38 +0100
Subject: Script local
Message-ID: <a06200701befc3f68a8bf@[195.195.177.148]>


In the course notes notes of  BRIGHAM YOUNG UNIVERSITY   they refer 
to a "Script-local" variable in Revolution Transcript language.  This 
is a very welcome advance so
  that we are not stuck between a variable that is shared  by every 
handler  in the
  stack ( global) or a one that that is specific to one and only one handler.
A script -local ( as I expect it ) is shared by the script  elements 
( button, field ...)
I could not find any reference to it in the dictionary or any other 
documentation .
Are they correct in this ?! Any help in this matter ?!!
many thanks

-- 



All the best



Muaadh Salih
SOAS
Department of Near & Middle Eastern Studies
Tel . +44 (0)2078984354

From bann at sunncomm.com  Thu Jul 14 12:31:58 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:31:58 -0700
Subject: mainStack and subStack question???
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760976@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>

Hello,

On my application that I am working on, it has a mainStack and 5
substacks

On the mainStack (card 1), I put 5 buttons to go to subStacks

This is a problem:  when user clicks on button 1 to go to substack 1,
the substack 1 shows, but when user click on button 2 to go to
substack2, the substack 1 disappears.

Is there anyway to keep the substack 1 stays until the substack 2 shows
up?




From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Jul 14 12:34:22 2005
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:34:22 +0200
Subject: Script local
In-Reply-To: <a06200701befc3f68a8bf@[195.195.177.148]>
References: <a06200701befc3f68a8bf@[195.195.177.148]>
Message-ID: <46D68890-B37E-457E-9548-EAD9CA68F62E@major-k.de>

Hi Muaadh,

>
> In the course notes notes of  BRIGHAM YOUNG UNIVERSITY   they refer  
> to a "Script-local" variable in Revolution Transcript language.   
> This is a very welcome advance so
>  that we are not stuck between a variable that is shared  by every  
> handler  in the
>  stack ( global) or a one that that is specific to one and only one  
> handler.
> A script -local ( as I expect it ) is shared by the script   
> elements ( button, field ...)
> I could not find any reference to it in the dictionary or any other  
> documentation .
> Are they correct in this ?! Any help in this matter ?!!

See under "local" in the docs, that's the correct term.

> many thanks
> -- 
> All the best

> Muaadh Salih
> SOAS
> Department of Near & Middle Eastern Studies
> Tel . +44 (0)2078984354

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From revolution at jaedworks.com  Thu Jul 14 12:33:08 2005
From: revolution at jaedworks.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:33:08 -0700
Subject: Script local
In-Reply-To: <a06200701befc3f68a8bf@[195.195.177.148]>
References: <a06200701befc3f68a8bf@[195.195.177.148]>
Message-ID: <p062102a0befc43132b4b@[192.168.2.153]>

At 5:24 PM +0100 7/14/2005, Muaadh salih wrote:
>In the course notes notes of  BRIGHAM YOUNG UNIVERSITY   they refer 
>to a "Script-local" variable in Revolution Transcript language. 
>This is a very welcome advance so
>  that we are not stuck between a variable that is shared  by every 
>handler  in the
>  stack ( global) or a one that that is specific to one and only one handler.
>A script -local ( as I expect it ) is shared by the script  elements 
>( button, field ...)
>I could not find any reference to it in the dictionary or any other 
>documentation .
>Are they correct in this ?! Any help in this matter ?!!

Look in the dictionary for the "local" command, and also in the 
encyclopedia article "Containers, variables, and sources of value" 
(the "Variables" section has a subsection on script locals).
-- 
jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
http://www.jaedworks.com


From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Jul 14 12:36:34 2005
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:36:34 +0200
Subject: mainStack and subStack question???
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760976@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760976@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <6AE8CD29-1A8B-4A51-A289-CFF9633A51CD@major-k.de>

Hi Ban, old friend :-)

> Hello,
>
> On my application that I am working on, it has a mainStack and 5
> substacks
>
> On the mainStack (card 1), I put 5 buttons to go to subStacks
>
> This is a problem:  when user clicks on button 1 to go to substack 1,
> the substack 1 shows, but when user click on button 2 to go to
> substack2, the substack 1 disappears.
>
> Is there anyway to keep the substack 1 stays until the substack 2  
> shows
> up?

it should stay open, actually, as long as you are not explicitely  
closing it!
Maybe it is just covered by the newly opened substack or the mainstack?


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Jul 14 12:37:33 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:37:33 +0200
Subject: Script local
In-Reply-To: <a06200701befc3f68a8bf@[195.195.177.148]>
References: <a06200701befc3f68a8bf@[195.195.177.148]>
Message-ID: <DA6BCBBF-2BA6-4A03-B37B-1FED84CB39E5@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Muaadh,

Welcome to this list.

With Transcript, the language of Revolution, you may declare local  
and global variables: you know it :-)
But variables can be declared inside a handler or a function  
structure or outside.
When they are declared inside, it's the way you already know :-)
When a variable is declared outside any handler or function, its  
value is shared by all handlers and functions in the script where it  
has been declared. And it's very handy :-)
For instance, in the script of a button:

local allowDrag -- variable declared outside any handler
---------------------------------
on mouseDown
   put the mouseH & comma & the mouseV into allowDrag
end mouseDown
---------------------------------
on mouseMove x,y
   if allowDrag is empty then exit mouseMove
   set topLeft of this stack to globalLoc(x-item 1 of  
allowDrag&comma&y-item 2 of allowDrag)
end mouseMove
---------------------------------
on mouseUp
   put empty into allowDrag
end mouseUp
---------------------------------
on mouseRelease
     put empty into allowDrag
end mouseRelease
---------------------------------
on mouseLeave
   put empty into allowDrag
end mouseLeave

allowDrag value is valuable for all handlers.

Le 14 juil. 05 ? 18:24, Muaadh salih a ?crit :

> In the course notes notes of  BRIGHAM YOUNG UNIVERSITY   they refer  
> to a "Script-local" variable in Revolution Transcript language.   
> This is a very welcome advance so
>  that we are not stuck between a variable that is shared  by every  
> handler  in the
>  stack ( global) or a one that that is specific to one and only one  
> handler.
> A script -local ( as I expect it ) is shared by the script   
> elements ( button, field ...)
> I could not find any reference to it in the dictionary or any other  
> documentation .
> Are they correct in this ?! Any help in this matter ?!!
>



From dsc at swcp.com  Thu Jul 14 12:38:06 2005
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:38:06 -0600
Subject: Script local
In-Reply-To: <a06200701befc3f68a8bf@[195.195.177.148]>
References: <a06200701befc3f68a8bf@[195.195.177.148]>
Message-ID: <c2cd3bf71f8c20c086cee6ba4d305f19@swcp.com>


On Jul 14, 2005, at 10:24 AM, Muaadh salih wrote:

> A script -local ( as I expect it ) is shared by the script  elements ( 
> button, field ...)
> I could not find any reference to it in the dictionary or any other 
> documentation .

This is mentioned in the dictionary entry for 'local' in 2.5.1 and I 
think other versions.

A script-local variable has scope everywhere in the script after the 
line that declares it.  I put mine at the top of the script or at the 
top of the script section where it applies.

If you put it at the top, then every handler in the script will see it, 
but handlers in other scripts will not.

Dar Scott

-- 
**********************************************
     DSC (Dar Scott Consulting & Dar's Lab)
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming and software
**********************************************



From bann at sunncomm.com  Thu Jul 14 12:40:54 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:40:54 -0700
Subject: mainStack and subStack question???
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760977@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>


Hi Klaus,

> Hello,
>
> On my application that I am working on, it has a mainStack and 5
> substacks
>
> On the mainStack (card 1), I put 5 buttons to go to subStacks
>
> This is a problem:  when user clicks on button 1 to go to substack 1,
> the substack 1 shows, but when user click on button 2 to go to
> substack2, the substack 1 disappears.
>
> Is there anyway to keep the substack 1 stays until the substack 2  
> shows
> up?
---------------------
it should stay open, actually, as long as you are not explicitely  
closing it!
Maybe it is just covered by the newly opened substack or the mainstack?

---------------------

On the mainStack I have the audio Player, when user is reading substack
2 (for example) and the same time user click on the list of audio
outside the substack, the substack 2 disappears.  I want the substack 2
stay because user is reading it.  

----------------------


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Jul 14 12:42:11 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:42:11 +0200
Subject: mainStack and subStack question???
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760976@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760976@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <3611A4D5-8D91-49E6-8070-8B014213E1F1@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Ban,

You could have a look at the mode and style properties and all  
related features: to be sure that a stack shows up (i.e. not masked  
by another one) you could set its style to palette...
Please, dig in the docs and download the plugin I released today :-)

Le 14 juil. 05 ? 18:31, Ban Nguyen a ?crit :

> On my application that I am working on, it has a mainStack and 5
> substacks
>
> On the mainStack (card 1), I put 5 buttons to go to subStacks
>
> This is a problem:  when user clicks on button 1 to go to substack 1,
> the substack 1 shows, but when user click on button 2 to go to
> substack2, the substack 1 disappears.
>
> Is there anyway to keep the substack 1 stays until the substack 2  
> shows
> up?

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From gbojsza at gmail.com  Thu Jul 14 11:49:38 2005
From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:49:38 -0400
Subject: Copy & paste stopped working in Rev IDE?
Message-ID: <3d8af41505071408495faea81f@mail.gmail.com>

I was wondering if this has happened to anyone else? I have been using
copy and paste inside the Rev IDE forever and suddenly it just stopped
working?

After having closed out of all applications and rebooted it still doesn't work?

Is there a preference being set somewhere?

I have copied data from other applications and use the MsgBox to 

put clipboarddata into fld whatever

So I know that Rev is seeing the data in the clipboard?

Any ideas. 

I am using Win XP. Rev 2.5

thanks


From pixelbird at interisland.net  Thu Jul 14 12:55:08 2005
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:55:08 -0700
Subject: Scrollbars in Rev
In-Reply-To: <20050714082029.001C9824D7E@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050714082029.001C9824D7E@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <2a771c6d71bb828ab318e3a532e8df1e@interisland.net>


  Hi Mark,

> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:51:01 -0700
> From: Mark Swindell <mdswindell at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: Scrollbars in Rev

> Right on.  So if Unsanity can do it, so can Rev, right? But just for
> sliders and scrollbars.  These, when not a part of a window theme,
> shouldn't have to be bound by the system look and feel.

I tried to explain: What ShapeShifter does is not the same thing as you 
are talking about.
Please understand, we're talking about _system controls_ here. Themes 
affect these controls across the system. If you want customizable 
themes for individual controls, the only practical way to do it would 
be to build a non-system control, a hacked emulator, not the real 
thing. If you want such a thing for each control, then you will have to 
design a set of tools which can create emulators and alter their 
appearance, for each type.

I have no doubt the MC/Rev engineers can do it; in fact, some of it 
probably already exists, but you're asking them for a whole lot of code 
to allow you to make such things, for each OS platform. And when you're 
done, it still won't be a real system control.

HTH,
Ken N.



From bob.earp at ashford.ca  Thu Jul 14 12:55:38 2005
From: bob.earp at ashford.ca (Robert J. Earp)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:55:38 -0700
Subject: Global scope of functions
Message-ID: <42D6990A.8010603@ashford.ca>

Rob,
You're doing the right thing in that it's best to get common functions 
(handlers/script) at the highest level you can, and the stack level is 
OK if you don't intend to ever use those functions in other stacks.  If 
there is that chance, I'd suggest you create a stack just for your 
common functions (call it myCommonFunctions or something), and link it 
on startup of your project stacks like....

on openStack
    start using stack "myCommonFunctions"
end openStack

(this goes into your project stack/s)

.... which puts the stack script in the message path.  If you have a lot 
of functions and wish to group them, say on different cards or different 
buttons in your common functions stack, then just use handlers at the 
stack level to pass the message on to the appropriate place.  I find 
this a nice neat way of keeping track of things without having to scroll 
through long lists of script.

You may wish to close the common functions stack when you close your 
project, although I don;t think this is necessary if you are building a 
standalone.  This is done via...........

on closeStack
    stop using stack "myCommonFunctions"
end closeStack


HTH, Bob....


>Dear Colleagues
>I'm producing a new tool for my research, and I'm trying to do this
>'properly'. In other words, I am trying to cut down the amount of coding
>scattered through the application (buttons, menus etc) and put calls
>to functions or handlers at these locations. I then assemble all the
>functions and handlers in the stack script (app is a 1 card stack).
>
>Is this the logical way forward, or have others found better ways?
>
>-- 
>All best wishes,
>Rob
>

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From b.xavier at internet.lu  Thu Jul 14 12:58:37 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:58:37 +0200
Subject: Newbie Question
In-Reply-To: <EFFF1C6F-E7F0-46B6-BE4E-9F8EAB54AE84@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <20050714165048.2D6FB824D20@mail.runrev.com>

Hi Dan,

With all respect but if you type 

  the effective filename of stack home

in the msg box you will get not false or an error 
but your license.rev stack (well hidden eh?)... 

MC also has one i think (substack of mchelp stack).

If it's possible, more power to you cause that's how it was working in
HyperCard (much better wasn't it?). 

Sounds like another conflict just waiting to happen at the most innoportune
moment if you trick this... Maybe the license stack is only checked at
startup so then you might be home free... But since the license stack is in
the root folder of the rev installation in windows in the least then it's
very probable that some stack name conflict might happen! 

Just for your info... just in case...
I dont know if allowing us to use "home" or whether the license deal is a
protection, nonetheless im dubiously dubitative on the possible
implications!

cheerios
Xavier
http://monsieurx.com
More than just cool Moires

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Dan Shafer
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 17:30
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Newbie Question
> 
> Hi, Hamburger1!
> 
> Welcome to the Revolution.
> 
> WHile there are lots of options for this in Rev (Xavier has 
> already pointed out two), as an old stackhead myself I think 
> the best way to do this is to create a stack (you can even 
> call it "Home" for all Rev
> cares!) to store all of this reusable stuff in and then when 
> you have a stack where you want to use it, just use a command like:
> 
> start using stack "Home"
> 
> This creates what Rev calls a "library" stack. It is so 
> darned efficient and effective that once you get used to it 
> you'll wonder how you lived without it. I have several such 
> libraries that contain related groups of scripts.
> 
> You'll also want to spend some time understanding the message 
> path in Rev, which is sufficiently different from HyperCard's 
> to cause some confusion in the early going. My book, 
> "Revolution: Software at th Speed of Thought", is available 
> through the RunRev store and has a good discussion of the 
> topic but may be a bit introductory level for someone with 
> serious HC experience. Richard Gaskin over at FourthWorld has 
> a great white paper on the message path and how you can 
> extend it with libraries, front and back scripts, etc. (URL:  
> http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/
> revolution_message_path.html).
> 
> 
> On Jul 14, 2005, at 4:55 AM, Hamburger1 at aol.com wrote:
> 
> > I'm in the process of switching from HyperCard. I put 
> several handlers 
> > & functions in my home stack that are used in other stacks. 
> Where do I 
> > put these scripts in Revolution?
> > _______________________________________________
> 
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> at the Speed of Thought"
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> 
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Jul 14 13:04:44 2005
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:04:44 -0600
Subject: mainStack and subStack question???
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760976@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760976@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <716675C5-CCEE-43B6-B68C-969F0B83DAFD@byu.edu>


On Jul 14, 2005, at 10:31 AM, Ban Nguyen wrote:

> Hello,
>
> On my application that I am working on, it has a mainStack and 5
> substacks
>
> On the mainStack (card 1), I put 5 buttons to go to subStacks
>
> This is a problem:  when user clicks on button 1 to go to substack 1,
> the substack 1 shows, but when user click on button 2 to go to
> substack2, the substack 1 disappears.
>
> Is there anyway to keep the substack 1 stays until the substack 2  
> shows
> up?

Ban,
It sounds like what you want is to smoothly transition from one stack  
to another with no breaks, flashes, or jumps. The best way I have  
found to do this is to use the go stack in window form, like this:

     go stack <name of substack> in window <name of current stack>

This will simply replace the contents of the window with the new  
stack without having to visually close the old stack window and  
create and open a new window.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From douggilliland at gmail.com  Thu Jul 14 12:04:26 2005
From: douggilliland at gmail.com (Douglas Gilliland)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:04:26 -0400
Subject: Text Hyperlink
Message-ID: <890e3d2605071409044b915741@mail.gmail.com>

How can I select a word in a scrolling text field and assign it
actions? I have been placing transparent buttons over text in
non-scrolling fields- works great but won't work for scrolling fields.
Searched the documentation and Dan's book but no answers. Tried
selecting the text and using link (hoping for a hyperlink) but that
looks like it is more for grouping text.

I know this is a simple question (as all questions are when you know
the answer) but being a newbe who authored in HyperStudio for years, I
can't figure it out.

I do appreciate all the advice I have received in previous posts. 
Doug Gilliland
Sarasota, FL


From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Thu Jul 14 13:15:28 2005
From: FlexibleLearning at aol.com (FlexibleLearning at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:15:28 EDT
Subject: Text Hyperlink
Message-ID: <c8.62dd7bc4.3007f7b0@aol.com>

Hi Douglas

You need to set the linkText property for the chunk and  set its textstyle to 
'link'. The easiest way to do this is to build a little  utility button, 
something like...

on mouseUp
if the  selectedText is empty then exit mouseUp
set the linkText of the  selectedChunk to "test1"
set the textstyle of the selectedChunk to  "link"
end mouseUp

and in the scrolling field...

on linkClicked  tLink
answer tLink # or whatever you want to occur
end  linkClicked

The selected text will be displayed as a link (normally blue and  underlined, 
although you can change the linkColor, visitedColor and hilitedColor  as well 
as set the underlinelinks of the stack to true/false as well).
 
HTH
 
/H
 

---
How can I select a word in a scrolling text field and assign  it
actions? I have been placing transparent buttons over text  in
non-scrolling fields- works great but won't work for scrolling  fields.
Searched the documentation and Dan's book but no answers.  Tried
selecting the text and using link (hoping for a hyperlink) but  that
looks like it is more for grouping text.

I know this is a simple  question (as all questions are when you know
the answer) but being a newbe  who authored in HyperStudio for years, I
can't figure it out.

I do  appreciate all the advice I have received in previous posts. 
Doug  Gilliland
---
 


From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Thu Jul 14 13:15:23 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:15:23 -0400
Subject: Text Hyperlink
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445E5@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

Linktext is the way to go...

Such as...

Set the linktext of word 2 of field "myField" to "myCard"


Then, in order to respond to it, you can do one of the following:

If it is a locked field, do this:

On linkclicked pLink
  If exists(card pLink of this stack) = true then go card pLink
End linkclicked




If this is in an unlocked field, linkclicked won't work. For an unlocked
field, use this:

On selectionchanged
  -- make sure it is a click action, rather than a highlighting action
  If word 4 of the selectedchunk <= word 2 of the selectedchunk then
exit selectionchanged

  -- then get the link information of the selected text and respond to
it
  Put the linktext of the selection into tLink
  If exists(card tLink of this stack) = true then go card tLink

End selectionchanged


-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Douglas
Gilliland
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 12:04 PM
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Subject: Text Hyperlink

How can I select a word in a scrolling text field and assign it
actions? I have been placing transparent buttons over text in
non-scrolling fields- works great but won't work for scrolling fields.
Searched the documentation and Dan's book but no answers. Tried
selecting the text and using link (hoping for a hyperlink) but that
looks like it is more for grouping text.

I know this is a simple question (as all questions are when you know
the answer) but being a newbe who authored in HyperStudio for years, I
can't figure it out.

I do appreciate all the advice I have received in previous posts. 
Doug Gilliland
Sarasota, FL
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From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Jul 14 13:17:57 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:17:57 -0500
Subject: App Browser Woes.....
In-Reply-To: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLIEPLHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
References: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLIEPLHIAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42D69E45.6050003@chipp.com>

Me three. Drives me nuts! Get Daniels-Mara object gadget & Constellation 
and don't use the App browser again!

www.daniels-mara.com

best,

Chipp

Jim Bufalini wrote:
> me too.

> How come when I change something in my stack, like the layer number
> or the object name etc. It doesn't change in the App Browser Window?


From bann at sunncomm.com  Thu Jul 14 13:24:44 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:24:44 -0700
Subject: mainStack and subStack question???
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E58A@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>




> Hello,
>
> On my application that I am working on, it has a mainStack and 5
> substacks
>
> On the mainStack (card 1), I put 5 buttons to go to subStacks
>
> This is a problem:  when user clicks on button 1 to go to substack 1,
> the substack 1 shows, but when user click on button 2 to go to
> substack2, the substack 1 disappears.
>
> Is there anyway to keep the substack 1 stays until the substack 2  
> shows
> up?

-----------------------------
It sounds like what you want is to smoothly transition from one stack  
to another with no breaks, flashes, or jumps. The best way I have  
found to do this is to use the go stack in window form, like this:

     go stack <name of substack> in window <name of current stack>

This will simply replace the contents of the window with the new  
stack without having to visually close the old stack window and  
create and open a new window.

-------------------------

I did what you said but the window stop and could move the mouse
What Do you mean <name of current stack> ? is it the mainstack?
--------------------------






From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Jul 14 13:52:25 2005
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:52:25 -0600
Subject: mainStack and subStack question???
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E58A@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E58A@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <FB355146-F029-4EB4-926A-6F6C99E5109F@byu.edu>


On Jul 14, 2005, at 11:24 AM, Ban Nguyen wrote:
> <snip>

> -----------------------------
> It sounds like what you want is to smoothly transition from one stack
> to another with no breaks, flashes, or jumps. The best way I have
> found to do this is to use the go stack in window form, like this:
>
>      go stack <name of substack> in window <name of current stack>
>
> This will simply replace the contents of the window with the new
> stack without having to visually close the old stack window and
> create and open a new window.
>
> -------------------------
>
> I did what you said but the window stop and could move the mouse
> What Do you mean <name of current stack> ? is it the mainstack?
> --------------------------

What I mean there is to insert the name of the stack you are  
currently in, for example, the stack you are working in is called  
"myStack" then use:

     go stack "myOtherStack in window "myStack"

You could also make it more generic by using:

     go stack "myOtherStack" in window the short name of this stack

HTH

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From alcy.runrev1 at 7power7.com  Thu Jul 14 13:59:36 2005
From: alcy.runrev1 at 7power7.com (Alcy)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 03:59:36 +1000
Subject: 1st time Revolution user question
Message-ID: <42D6A808.403@7power7.com>


What are my options to send and receive emails with a Revolution stack?

Thanks
Alcy



From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Jul 14 14:04:56 2005
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:04:56 +0200
Subject: 1st time Revolution user question
In-Reply-To: <42D6A808.403@7power7.com>
References: <42D6A808.403@7power7.com>
Message-ID: <0E3907CF-116F-4197-894A-E33ACEF38110@major-k.de>

Hi Alcy,

> What are my options to send and receive emails with a Revolution  
> stack?

not bad, actually...

But i would definitively rate that "extremely advanced"! ;-)

> Thanks
> Alcy

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From alcy.runrev1 at 7power7.com  Thu Jul 14 14:19:53 2005
From: alcy.runrev1 at 7power7.com (Alcy)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 04:19:53 +1000
Subject: 1st time Revolution user question
References: <42D6A808.403@7power7.com>
	<0E3907CF-116F-4197-894A-E33ACEF38110@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <42D6ACC9.8060905@7power7.com>

thanks for answering
I have purchased Altbrowser and like it. Is there a program similar for 
sending and receiving emails?
I want the stack to be able to send and receive emails directly -
I guess it must not be the first person to ask and there must be some 
source codes of functions sending/receiving emails in Linux that have 
been adapted to Revolution..
Alcy


Klaus Major wrote:

> Hi Alcy,
>
>> What are my options to send and receive emails with a Revolution  stack?
>
>
> not bad, actually...
>
> But i would definitively rate that "extremely advanced"! ;-)
>
>> Thanks
>> Alcy
>
>
> Regards
>
> Klaus Major
> klaus at major-k.de
> http://www.major-k.de
>
>




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jul 14 14:33:56 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:33:56 -0500
Subject: 1st time Revolution user question
In-Reply-To: <0E3907CF-116F-4197-894A-E33ACEF38110@major-k.de>
References: <42D6A808.403@7power7.com>
	<0E3907CF-116F-4197-894A-E33ACEF38110@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <42D6B014.5090401@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/14/05 1:04 PM, Klaus Major wrote:

> Hi Alcy,
> 
>> What are my options to send and receive emails with a Revolution  stack?
> 
> 
> not bad, actually...
> 
> But i would definitively rate that "extremely advanced"! ;-)
> 

I sent Alcy to the list, since I didn't have the URLs for Andre's and 
Sarah's stacks handy. Maybe they will reply, or someone like them. :)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From dbrooks at unlserve.unl.edu  Thu Jul 14 14:33:34 2005
From: dbrooks at unlserve.unl.edu (David Brooks)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:33:34 -0500
Subject: XML in cgi
In-Reply-To: <1121352048.2206.5.camel@White-Side>
References: <01B48D69-C97E-4E73-8D49-36720D29BF89@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<42D654EE.7080507@sover.net> <1121352048.2206.5.camel@White-Side>
Message-ID: <fc2fae0decf2572ec53ad4f1370f1309@unlserve.unl.edu>

I'm using Revolution to handle cgi scripts under Apache. Works well 
with text files.

I'm encountering trouble when trying to use XML commands/functions.
Because revCreateXMLTreeFromFile was added in Ver. 2, I'm assuming it 
is a part of the currently available Darwin engine (used for cgi). This 
function does not seem to be working in cgi (see examples).

Any suggestions?

Thanks.

Dave B.

_____________________________________________
Works:
#!revolution

on startup
   put ("Content-Type: text/plain" & cr & cr) into xxx
   put "Hello World!" after xxx
   put "/Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/CHEM869J-Dave_Brooks.xml" 
into studentFilePath
   put URL("file:"&studentFilePath) into rrr
   put rrr after xxx
   put xxx
end startup
_____________________________________________
Fails:

#!revolution

on startup
   put ("Content-Type: text/plain" & cr & cr) into xxx
   put "Hello World!" after xxx
   put "/Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/CHEM869J-Dave_Brooks.xml" 
into studentFilePath
   put revCreateXMLTreeFromFile(studentFilePath,true,true,false) into 
studentRecordXML_ID
   put xxx
end startup


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jul 14 14:42:16 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:42:16 -0500
Subject: Newbie Question
In-Reply-To: <1f8.da877ae.3007acad@aol.com>
References: <1f8.da877ae.3007acad@aol.com>
Message-ID: <42D6B208.7020607@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/14/05 6:55 AM, Hamburger1 at aol.com wrote:

> I'm in the process of switching from HyperCard. I put several handlers & 
> functions in my home stack that are used in other stacks. Where do I put these 
> scripts in Revolution?

I needed to do this too. Create a stack and put your handlers into the 
stack script. Add this handler to the script of the first card:

on openstack
  start using this stack
  pass openstack -- this is optional
end openstack

It is important that you put this into the card script rather than the 
stack script, so that it won't interfere with other stacks when they open.

Save the stack and drop it into the Rev plugins folder. Restart Rev. 
Choose "Plugin settings" from the Development -> Plugins menu, select 
your stack from the drop-down menu, and choose to open the plugin when 
Revolution starts up. You can decide whether you want it to open 
invisibly or not, it doesn't matter (I keep mine invisible.)

The next time you restart Revolution, the plugin will load automatically 
and its stack script will be available just as the Home stack was in 
HyperCard. Note that you should not name your stack "Home" as was 
suggested elsewhere -- Revolution already has a Home stack and this 
would cause a name conflict.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From yoursignup at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 14 14:43:00 2005
From: yoursignup at yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:43:00 -1000
Subject: App Browser Woes.....
In-Reply-To: <C789A057-573C-45FF-AACF-C8CCBEA5AE62@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLAEABHJAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>

Eric,

Thank you. This makes life easier! But, maybe you shouldn't have been so
quick to offer this insight! I purchased your Objects Picker (which has many
other features, is only $15 USD, and is complimentary to the Application
Browser) a while back, for this very reason! :-)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of Eric
Chatonet
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 6:10 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: App Browser Woes.....


Hi Dave and Chris,

To be precise, the problem came with Rev 2.5.1. (no problem with 2.5)
In order to save time, runRev guys imagined to keep the current
controls list into a cache and rebuild this list only when a control
was deleted or added.
So, you have just to open the script of the revApplicationOverview
stack and search for the revControlList function and comment the
following lines:

  if the number of lines in lControlCache[pCard] is tNumControls
  then return lControlCache[pCard]

I have no time now but may be I shall find a couple of minutes to
write a patch stack to morrow :-)

Le 14 juil. 05 ? 15:17, David Burgun a ?crit :

> How come when I change something in my stack, like the layer number
> or the object name etc. It doesn't change in the App Browser Window?
> I am running RunRev 2.6.5 build 108 on Mac OS X Tiger 10.4.2.
> Does anyone else have this problem??

Copy to runRev support.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jul 14 14:43:47 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:43:47 -0500
Subject: Revolution Bsd unix engine doesn't start
In-Reply-To: <1121352048.2206.5.camel@White-Side>
References: <01B48D69-C97E-4E73-8D49-36720D29BF89@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D654EE.7080507@sover.net>
	<1121352048.2206.5.camel@White-Side>
Message-ID: <42D6B263.605@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/14/05 9:40 AM, Damien Girard wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I am under FreeBSD 5.4, so I wan't to see if Runrev work under Bsd, I am
> going to the Runtime Revolution website, I download the Bsd engine
> (2.2.1) and Revolution 2.6 (linux tgz).
> 
> I uncompress all files, I open a terminal emulator, and I done that :
> 
> ----
> damien at White-Side$ ./Bsd
> 
> ----
> 
> And nothing else is done, Runrev doesn't start.
> Runrev bug ?
> 
> I have also tryed with Revolution.x86 (FreeBSD have Linux emulation
> binaries), and I have got this error :
> 
> ----
> damien at White-Side$ ./revolution.x86
> ./revolution.x86: error while loading shared
> libraries: /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6: ELF file OS ABI invalid

This happens with CGIs too in Apache if certain libraries are not 
installed. Even though this library isn't used much, Revolution requires 
it to be there. Install it and you should be fine.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Jul 14 14:47:56 2005
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:47:56 -0600
Subject: 1st time Revolution user question
In-Reply-To: <42D6ACC9.8060905@7power7.com>
References: <42D6A808.403@7power7.com>
	<0E3907CF-116F-4197-894A-E33ACEF38110@major-k.de>
	<42D6ACC9.8060905@7power7.com>
Message-ID: <C601DDDD-519C-49F0-9886-5780496F7D6B@byu.edu>

Alcy,

Welcome to the list.

On Jul 14, 2005, at 12:19 PM, Alcy wrote:

> thanks for answering
> I have purchased Altbrowser and like it. Is there a program similar  
> for sending and receiving emails?
> I want the stack to be able to send and receive emails directly -
> I guess it must not be the first person to ask and there must be  
> some source codes of functions sending/receiving emails in Linux  
> that have been adapted to Revolution..

<snip>

As I recall, list member Andre Garcia wrote a stack that would do  
this. Go to RevOnline and look for user soapdog.

Another alternative that ought to work very well would be to post  
your email message to a PHP document on a web server and use the PHP  
mail command to do the actual sending. The drawback, of course, is  
that you'd have to write a little php and have access to a web server  
that could host the script, not to mention an smtp server that would  
accept the message for sending. However, it's very simple to write,  
and Rev talks nicely with web-based resources like this.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Jul 14 14:49:12 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:49:12 +0200
Subject: App Browser Woes.....
In-Reply-To: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLAEABHJAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
References: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLAEABHJAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <34F1072A-0EAD-4292-9FA5-04416773BF5C@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Jim,

Definitely, I am not a marketing man ;-)
But as you pointed it, Objects Picker offers app browser features  
that work and many more ones that the app browser don't offer...

Le 14 juil. 05 ? 20:43, Jim Bufalini a ?crit :

> Thank you. This makes life easier! But, maybe you shouldn't have  
> been so
> quick to offer this insight! I purchased your Objects Picker (which  
> has many
> other features, is only $15 USD, and is complimentary to the  
> Application
> Browser) a while back, for this very reason! :-)

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch

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----------------------------------------------------------------
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From soapdog at mac.com  Thu Jul 14 14:56:12 2005
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:56:12 -0300
Subject: XML in cgi
In-Reply-To: <fc2fae0decf2572ec53ad4f1370f1309@unlserve.unl.edu>
References: <01B48D69-C97E-4E73-8D49-36720D29BF89@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<42D654EE.7080507@sover.net> <1121352048.2206.5.camel@White-Side>
	<fc2fae0decf2572ec53ad4f1370f1309@unlserve.unl.edu>
Message-ID: <AB0DF77F-AB8F-4964-B38A-4C3879C4E312@mac.com>


On Jul 14, 2005, at 3:33 PM, David Brooks wrote:

> I'm using Revolution to handle cgi scripts under Apache. Works well  
> with text files.
>
> I'm encountering trouble when trying to use XML commands/functions.
> Because revCreateXMLTreeFromFile was added in Ver. 2, I'm assuming  
> it is a part of the currently available Darwin engine (used for  
> cgi). This function does not seem to be working in cgi (see examples).
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dave B.
>

Dave,

try not using the Darwin engine, try pulling your macos engine from  
inside the Revolution bundle. Run it with the -ui argument like:

#!revolution -ui

I don't think the darwin engine included the XML libraries... you can  
always load the external.

Cheers
andre



> _____________________________________________
> Works:
> #!revolution
>
> on startup
>   put ("Content-Type: text/plain" & cr & cr) into xxx
>   put "Hello World!" after xxx
>   put "/Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/CHEM869J-Dave_Brooks.xml"  
> into studentFilePath
>   put URL("file:"&studentFilePath) into rrr
>   put rrr after xxx
>   put xxx
> end startup
> _____________________________________________
> Fails:
>
> #!revolution
>
> on startup
>   put ("Content-Type: text/plain" & cr & cr) into xxx
>   put "Hello World!" after xxx
>   put "/Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/CHEM869J-Dave_Brooks.xml"  
> into studentFilePath
>   put revCreateXMLTreeFromFile(studentFilePath,true,true,false)  
> into studentRecordXML_ID
>   put xxx
> end startup
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From soapdog at mac.com  Thu Jul 14 14:57:25 2005
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:57:25 -0300
Subject: Revolution Bsd unix engine doesn't start
In-Reply-To: <42D6B263.605@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <01B48D69-C97E-4E73-8D49-36720D29BF89@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<42D654EE.7080507@sover.net> <1121352048.2206.5.camel@White-Side>
	<42D6B263.605@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <8D2DC1E2-021C-418E-A30D-B5C1DB6F1AD0@mac.com>


On Jul 14, 2005, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 7/14/05 9:40 AM, Damien Girard wrote:
>
>
>> Hi all,
>> I am under FreeBSD 5.4, so I wan't to see if Runrev work under  
>> Bsd, I am
>> going to the Runtime Revolution website, I download the Bsd engine
>> (2.2.1) and Revolution 2.6 (linux tgz).
>> I uncompress all files, I open a terminal emulator, and I done that :
>> ----
>> damien at White-Side$ ./Bsd
>> ----
>> And nothing else is done, Runrev doesn't start.
>> Runrev bug ?
>> I have also tryed with Revolution.x86 (FreeBSD have Linux emulation
>> binaries), and I have got this error :
>> ----
>> damien at White-Side$ ./revolution.x86
>> ./revolution.x86: error while loading shared
>> libraries: /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6: ELF file OS ABI invalid
>>
>
> This happens with CGIs too in Apache if certain libraries are not  
> installed. Even though this library isn't used much, Revolution  
> requires it to be there. Install it and you should be fine.

if your trouble is with libGDK, there's a workaround setting a  
enviroment variable. If it is about some other lib, then I don't have  
a clue...

Andre


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From mdswindell at charter.net  Thu Jul 14 14:58:23 2005
From: mdswindell at charter.net (Mark Swindell)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:58:23 -0700
Subject: Search/Replace Strange Behavior
Message-ID: <AA6581AA-5175-42B3-8728-CEAA080B3E67@charter.net>

I just had a strange behavior I wonder if anyone can explain.  I have  
a card with 3 fields containing many pages of narrative text.  They  
are extensively formatted with linked text, colors, etc.  I used the  
search and replace to change occurrences of two spaces (I learned to  
type long ago on manual typewriters and can't shake the habit) to  
only one space.   I just typed in two spaces in the find field, and  
one in the replace field.  I limited the find/replace function to  
field text.  I pressed replace, and all formatting was lost on all  
three fields.  Is this a bug, or a feature?  I certainly didn't  
expect it.

Mark


From bann at sunncomm.com  Thu Jul 14 15:02:38 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:02:38 -0700
Subject: window flashing when playing video
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E58B@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>

Hello,

The whole window is flashing when the video playing.  Flashing stops
when the video ends.  Anyone has had the same problem?  Please help


From revdan at danshafer.com  Thu Jul 14 15:17:49 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:17:49 -0700
Subject: Newbie Question
In-Reply-To: <20050714165048.2D6FB824D20@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050714165048.2D6FB824D20@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <31250622-2044-4592-9C40-609E7DC5D983@danshafer.com>

OK, point taken, Xavier.

You can't have a stack named "Home".

Seems kinda stupid since the stack doesn't have the name, but, what  
the heck.

Dan

On Jul 14, 2005, at 9:58 AM, MisterX wrote:

> Hi Dan,
>
> With all respect but if you type
>
>   the effective filename of stack home
>
> in the msg box you will get not false or an error
> but your license.rev stack (well hidden eh?)...
>
> MC also has one i think (substack of mchelp stack).
>
> If it's possible, more power to you cause that's how it was working in
> HyperCard (much better wasn't it?).
>
> Sounds like another conflict just waiting to happen at the most  
> innoportune
> moment if you trick this... Maybe the license stack is only checked at
> startup so then you might be home free... But since the license  
> stack is in
> the root folder of the rev installation in windows in the least  
> then it's
> very probable that some stack name conflict might happen!
>
> Just for your info... just in case...
> I dont know if allowing us to use "home" or whether the license  
> deal is a
> protection, nonetheless im dubiously dubitative on the possible
> implications!
>
> cheerios
> Xavier
> http://monsieurx.com
> More than just cool Moires
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
>> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of
>> Dan Shafer
>> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 17:30
>> To: How to use Revolution
>> Subject: Re: Newbie Question
>>
>> Hi, Hamburger1!
>>
>> Welcome to the Revolution.
>>
>> WHile there are lots of options for this in Rev (Xavier has
>> already pointed out two), as an old stackhead myself I think
>> the best way to do this is to create a stack (you can even
>> call it "Home" for all Rev
>> cares!) to store all of this reusable stuff in and then when
>> you have a stack where you want to use it, just use a command like:
>>
>> start using stack "Home"
>>
>> This creates what Rev calls a "library" stack. It is so
>> darned efficient and effective that once you get used to it
>> you'll wonder how you lived without it. I have several such
>> libraries that contain related groups of scripts.
>>
>> You'll also want to spend some time understanding the message
>> path in Rev, which is sufficiently different from HyperCard's
>> to cause some confusion in the early going. My book,
>> "Revolution: Software at th Speed of Thought", is available
>> through the RunRev store and has a good discussion of the
>> topic but may be a bit introductory level for someone with
>> serious HC experience. Richard Gaskin over at FourthWorld has
>> a great white paper on the message path and how you can
>> extend it with libraries, front and back scripts, etc. (URL:
>> http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/
>> revolution_message_path.html).
>>
>>
>> On Jul 14, 2005, at 4:55 AM, Hamburger1 at aol.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I'm in the process of switching from HyperCard. I put
>>>
>> several handlers
>>
>>> & functions in my home stack that are used in other stacks.
>>>
>> Where do I
>>
>>> put these scripts in Revolution?
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author
>> http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, "Revolution: Software
>> at the Speed of Thought"
>>  From the RunRev online store
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Thu Jul 14 15:19:41 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:19:41 -0400
Subject: Newbie Question
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A996809D@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

Can you have a stack named "stack"  ?

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Dan Shafer
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 3:18 PM
To: x at monsieurx.com; How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Newbie Question

OK, point taken, Xavier.

You can't have a stack named "Home".

Seems kinda stupid since the stack doesn't have the name, but, what  
the heck.

Dan

On Jul 14, 2005, at 9:58 AM, MisterX wrote:

> Hi Dan,
>
> With all respect but if you type
>
>   the effective filename of stack home
>
> in the msg box you will get not false or an error
> but your license.rev stack (well hidden eh?)...
>
> MC also has one i think (substack of mchelp stack).
>
> If it's possible, more power to you cause that's how it was working in
> HyperCard (much better wasn't it?).
>
> Sounds like another conflict just waiting to happen at the most  
> innoportune
> moment if you trick this... Maybe the license stack is only checked at
> startup so then you might be home free... But since the license  
> stack is in
> the root folder of the rev installation in windows in the least  
> then it's
> very probable that some stack name conflict might happen!
>
> Just for your info... just in case...
> I dont know if allowing us to use "home" or whether the license  
> deal is a
> protection, nonetheless im dubiously dubitative on the possible
> implications!
>
> cheerios
> Xavier
> http://monsieurx.com
> More than just cool Moires
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
>> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of
>> Dan Shafer
>> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 17:30
>> To: How to use Revolution
>> Subject: Re: Newbie Question
>>
>> Hi, Hamburger1!
>>
>> Welcome to the Revolution.
>>
>> WHile there are lots of options for this in Rev (Xavier has
>> already pointed out two), as an old stackhead myself I think
>> the best way to do this is to create a stack (you can even
>> call it "Home" for all Rev
>> cares!) to store all of this reusable stuff in and then when
>> you have a stack where you want to use it, just use a command like:
>>
>> start using stack "Home"
>>
>> This creates what Rev calls a "library" stack. It is so
>> darned efficient and effective that once you get used to it
>> you'll wonder how you lived without it. I have several such
>> libraries that contain related groups of scripts.
>>
>> You'll also want to spend some time understanding the message
>> path in Rev, which is sufficiently different from HyperCard's
>> to cause some confusion in the early going. My book,
>> "Revolution: Software at th Speed of Thought", is available
>> through the RunRev store and has a good discussion of the
>> topic but may be a bit introductory level for someone with
>> serious HC experience. Richard Gaskin over at FourthWorld has
>> a great white paper on the message path and how you can
>> extend it with libraries, front and back scripts, etc. (URL:
>> http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/
>> revolution_message_path.html).
>>
>>
>> On Jul 14, 2005, at 4:55 AM, Hamburger1 at aol.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I'm in the process of switching from HyperCard. I put
>>>
>> several handlers
>>
>>> & functions in my home stack that are used in other stacks.
>>>
>> Where do I
>>
>>> put these scripts in Revolution?
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author
>> http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, "Revolution: Software
>> at the Speed of Thought"
>>  From the RunRev online store
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage
>> your subscription preferences:
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>>
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From soapdog at mac.com  Thu Jul 14 15:45:31 2005
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:45:31 -0300
Subject: on the topic of eMails (was Re: 1st time Revolution user question)
In-Reply-To: <42D6A808.403@7power7.com>
References: <42D6A808.403@7power7.com>
Message-ID: <A91565ED-93FC-47BC-BDA3-E8776222DE28@mac.com>


On Jul 14, 2005, at 2:59 PM, Alcy wrote:

>
> What are my options to send and receive emails with a Revolution  
> stack?
>
> Thanks
> Alcy

Hi There Alcy,

this will be a big email. I promisse I'll try to keep it small and  
direct without my constant ramblings about my newtons and embedding  
webservers in any appliances that plug into power sockets :-D

There are many ways one can send emails. Some are nothing but big  
hacks, others are more elegant and professional tools. I will be  
listing things here by memory, so I might get something wrong. In the  
end of the email I'll try to sum up some URLs for your pleasure and  
amusement. Let us begin talking about "what is email anyway!?"

Okay, Everyone wants to send email! but what are you calling email?  
The category division I am making here is in no way academic but  
you'll see my point. Let's assume that there are two kinds of email,  
plain text ones and "HTML Plus Attachments" ones. What do you want to  
use? The thing is, the html and/or attachment one will need to deal  
with MIME Generating part, and this is not hard but it's very boring  
and sometimes masoquism (hey, I can have mime boundaries inside mime  
boundaries inside mime boun...)

so let us talk about solutions. I'll begin with the best one I can  
remember which is:

     (1) Shao Sean libEmail and libSMTP libraries. Shao Sean created  
this two gems that can to lots of cool things. The libEmail will  
generate an email enclosure (will not send, but generate the chunk  
that is the email) with MIME, Attachments and whatever you want.  
libSMTP will take care of sending the email. It works fine!
     (2) My own Raw SMTP stack. I use Shao Sean works but sometimes  
you stumble on the following scenario. You want to send an email, but  
you don't have the senders configuration and configuring it is too  
much, how do you work this out? If you can't think how this can  
happen, let us think of a software that will report back falliures to  
a central using eMail. Do you really need the client to enter his  
email configuration, will the client like this or find this too  
invasive? You just need the report. So what I did was to create a  
stack that will use SMTP to talk directly to the receiver SMTP server  
and deliver the email. Let us clarify: Sending an email usually works  
like this, your mail program talk to your SMTP server, your SMTP  
server talks to the destination SMTP server and deliver the thing. I  
skipped the first part, so we don't need the client configuration. It  
works fine for some cases. Some servers will make a reverse check to  
see if the stack is actually a SMTP server, and if it is not, will  
think that our beautifull stack is actually some spam server or relay  
agent and will block the email. It depends on the server but since I  
create that for uses like reporting tools and feedback, you just need  
to make sure that the report email actually loves our stack.
     (3) Are you on a unix environment (linux, *bsd, MacOS X)? Then  
use sendmail. Sendmail is a tool bundled with all unix I know about,  
and it can send email from the command line. Just wrap your email on  
a nice chunk and send it using the shell() command and sendmail tool.
     (4) RevMail command, this will not send the email but open the  
users default email app with your email in it. It works but sometimes  
feel like a  not elegant solution.
     (5) Are you on macos classic or macos x? AppleScript to the  
rescue!!! Use applescript to send the email for you, you can script  
mail.app or the terminal. It works very fine.
     (6) create your own email sending tool! read the RFCs and go for  
it, one learns so much by reinventing the wheel (I am serious), you  
might go with one of the above solutions but in your spare time,  
pursuing this solution will teach you much more about email and  
sockets then you'd ever learn by simply using high level tools.

Now the reading email part... err... I never done this, I like  
sending mails, not reading them :-) I can think two ways only!

     (1) I do think Sarah created a libPOP library that can do POP3  
reading. and I think someone on the list actually used this on a spam  
filter.
     (2) Let the client default app fetch the mails, parse the mbox  
file. There are two standards for storing emails, mbox and maildir.  
Both are easy to parse.


     Most of the solutions quoted here are available thru RevOnline.
     Shao Sean site moved and I don't know the new address, but it  
used to be at shaosean.tk
     Sarah page is: http://www.troz.net/Rev/index.html


Cheers happy mailing
andre



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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jul 14 15:51:08 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:51:08 -0500
Subject: Newbie Question
In-Reply-To: <31250622-2044-4592-9C40-609E7DC5D983@danshafer.com>
References: <20050714165048.2D6FB824D20@mail.runrev.com>
	<31250622-2044-4592-9C40-609E7DC5D983@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <42D6C22C.3010901@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/14/05 2:17 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:

> OK, point taken, Xavier.
> 
> You can't have a stack named "Home".
> 
> Seems kinda stupid since the stack doesn't have the name, but, what  the 
> heck.

Actually, the stack itself is named "home", but it isn't the name of the 
stack file on disk. It's a stealth Home. :)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jul 14 15:55:07 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:55:07 -0500
Subject: XML in cgi
In-Reply-To: <AB0DF77F-AB8F-4964-B38A-4C3879C4E312@mac.com>
References: <01B48D69-C97E-4E73-8D49-36720D29BF89@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D654EE.7080507@sover.net>
	<1121352048.2206.5.camel@White-Side>	<fc2fae0decf2572ec53ad4f1370f1309@unlserve.unl.edu>
	<AB0DF77F-AB8F-4964-B38A-4C3879C4E312@mac.com>
Message-ID: <42D6C31B.1000403@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/14/05 1:56 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> try not using the Darwin engine, try pulling your macos engine from  
> inside the Revolution bundle.

They say that won't work, you really do need the Darwin engine.

> I don't think the darwin engine included the XML libraries... you can  
> always load the external.

The last Darwin engine was supposed to have those in there. We really do 
need a new build though.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Jul 14 15:56:09 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:56:09 -0500
Subject: window flashing when playing video
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E58B@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E58B@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <42D6C359.5080701@chipp.com>

Ban,

Make sure the alwaysBuffer property of your stack is set to true.

-Chipp

Ban Nguyen wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> The whole window is flashing when the video playing.  Flashing stops
> when the video ends.  Anyone has had the same problem?  Please help



From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Jul 14 16:31:25 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 21:31:25 +0100
Subject: on the topic of eMails (was Re: 1st time Revolution user
	question)
In-Reply-To: <A91565ED-93FC-47BC-BDA3-E8776222DE28@mac.com>
References: <42D6A808.403@7power7.com>
	<A91565ED-93FC-47BC-BDA3-E8776222DE28@mac.com>
Message-ID: <42D6CB9D.6090005@tweedly.net>

Andre Garzia wrote:

> so let us talk about solutions. I'll begin with the best one I can  
> remember which is:
>
>     (1) Shao Sean libEmail and libSMTP libraries. Shao Sean created  
> this two gems that can to lots of cool things. The libEmail will  
> generate an email enclosure (will not send, but generate the chunk  
> that is the email) with MIME, Attachments and whatever you want.  
> libSMTP will take care of sending the email. It works fine!

and can be found at
http://dark.unitz.ca/~shaosean/pages/development.htm

> Now the reading email part... err... I never done this, I like  
> sending mails, not reading them :-) I can think two ways only!
>
>     (1) I do think Sarah created a libPOP library that can do POP3  
> reading. and I think someone on the list actually used this on a spam  
> filter.

Yes, I did that (on RevOnline under my username alextweedly). Sarah's 
library was very helpful - can be found from URL Andre gave ( 
http://www.troz.net/Rev/index.html)

Again, we have to ask Andre's question - what kind of email do you need 
to read, and what do you need to do with it?
Sarah's library is purely a POP3 library - it doesn't cover MIME 
decoding (and I didn't need to for my Spam handler, so I didn't write 
one either).

>     (2) Let the client default app fetch the mails, parse the mbox  
> file. There are two standards for storing emails, mbox and maildir.  
> Both are easy to parse.
>
Being careful that many mail apps don't use either of the standards - 
e.g. the new Apple mail app, Eudora, Opera, OE, ...

Good luck ....

-- 
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From brad at activadesign.com  Thu Jul 14 16:42:06 2005
From: brad at activadesign.com (Brad Borch)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:42:06 -0400
Subject: Font issues
Message-ID: <db6ijp$hpc$1@sea.gmane.org>

Help,

I researched a thread from a while back "Own fontsuite with standalone?" 
   So I built an app to try and use the "ext_loadFont" handler. The 
first thing the app does is list the fonts in a field:

"put the fontNames into fld "fontTest1""

What's odd is that the function lists the fonts on my Macintosh, even 
though the app is running from the PC. How is this possible?

Brad



From heather at runrev.com  Thu Jul 14 16:44:35 2005
From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Nagey)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 21:44:35 +0100
Subject: Arcade Engine and Quartam Reports Released
Message-ID: <dbd80191de56f6f71307cd4d75e0c77a@runrev.com>

Dear list members,

We have some exciting news for you tonight - two brand new revSelect
products.  Each has limited time special introductory pricing!

The eagerly anticipated Quartam Reports by our community's esteemed Jan
Schenkel (from Quartam Software) is available now.

Quartam Reports is the report generator you've been waiting for. If you
need to layout and print anything from labels to sales reports, or you
just want to view collated information onscreen, this package is for
you. Easy to use for simple tasks, but with professional power for
complex operations.

Not only that, but the excellent Malte Brill (from Debrill Multimedia) 
is
releasing ArcadeEngine.

Use ArcadeEngine to enhance multimedia titles with complex object 
motion,
build arcade games, and for teaching and learning.  Features include
powerful collision detection routines, linear movement, polygonal 
movement,
circular movement, elliptical movement and the ability to alter speeds 
and
movement at any time under full programmatic control.

We're celebrating these releases with a bunch of special offers, from
bundling free with new licenses to huge price reductions with update
and upgrade pack purchases.

Read all about Quartam Reports:

http://www.runrev.com/section/revselect/quartam/index.php

Read all about ArcadeEngine:

http://www.runrev.com/section/revselect/arcadeengine/

We'd like to congratulate both developers warmly on their sterling
efforts and huge contributions to the Revolution community.

Well, what are you waiting for? Rush out and get them!

warm regards,

Heather

Heather Nagey, Customer Support Manager
Runtime Revolution Ltd
www.runrev.com



From jbondy at sover.net  Thu Jul 14 16:44:44 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:44:44 -0400
Subject: help with loading audio clips into a stack
Message-ID: <42D6CEBC.30808@sover.net>

Ban and I finally managed to get a player he likes, but the way I did 
it, the audio clips have to reside on the hard drive.  As you can read 
below, Ban wants the audio data to be stored inside the stack, so users 
can't clone it.

The problem is that I don't know how to "suck" an audio clip into a 
stack and then tell the player to play it back.

Can anyone else help Ban?

:)

Jon

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	RE: JLBPlayer
Date: 	Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:48:27 -0700
From: 	Ban Nguyen <bann at sunncomm.com>
To: 	Jon <jbondy at sover.net>



Hi Jon,

This is exactly what I need but the only thing is I don't want user to
play songs from his/her hard drive.  I want to import 9 songs in the
stack and they can only play 9 songs,  and I don't want them to copy
these songs into there hard drive, because these songs are copyrighted.


What I am doing is : making a standalone application that has several
topics (about, contact, lessons....)each topics has each own substack
and on the main stack I want to have a player displays 9 songs and
continue play until user close the application.  User can select from
the song list to play a song he/she wants.

I hope I don't confuse you

Could we modify to make JLBPlayer works like this.   Thank you so much
for your help.


Ban



-----Original Message-----
From: Jon [mailto:jbondy at sover.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 6:05 PM
To: Ban Nguyen
Subject: Re: JLBPlayer

Ban:

Here is a revised version of the stack with a selectable list.

Go into "edit" mode and load the list with the names of whatever files 
you want to play

Then when you go into "run" mode, each time you click on a line, the 
file with the corresponding name will start to play.

Try this with a few small audio files and see if it is close to what you

want to do.

:)

Jon



Ban Nguyen wrote:

> Very cool, please show me how to do this
>
>
> -------------------------------------------
>
> Ban:
>
> Feel free to contact me off list if you want to pursue this just
between
>
> the two of us.
>
> You could take JLBPlayer and make the following changes to do what you

> want:
>
> 1) make the stack/window taller;
>
> 2) put nine buttons or fields on the taller window
>
> 3) create a MouseUp handler for each button.  Each handler plays one
of
>
> the nine audio files, using the same code that I use to load and play 
> audio.
>
> :)
>
> Jon
>




From soapdog at mac.com  Thu Jul 14 16:47:48 2005
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:47:48 -0300
Subject: on the topic of eMails (was Re: 1st time Revolution
	user	question)
In-Reply-To: <42D6CB9D.6090005@tweedly.net>
References: <42D6A808.403@7power7.com>
	<A91565ED-93FC-47BC-BDA3-E8776222DE28@mac.com>
	<42D6CB9D.6090005@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <222B81CB-2E31-4B3C-895A-92F9BB933681@mac.com>


On Jul 14, 2005, at 5:31 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> Being careful that many mail apps don't use either of the standards  
> - e.g. the new Apple mail app, Eudora, Opera, OE, ...
>

Okay, not only apple is moving to intel but now they are breaking  
compatibility... ;-)

On panther apple mail app used mbox.... do you know something about  
the new format?

Cheers
andre

From brad at activadesign.com  Thu Jul 14 16:48:28 2005
From: brad at activadesign.com (Brad Borch)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:48:28 -0400
Subject: Font issues
In-Reply-To: <db6ijp$hpc$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <db6ijp$hpc$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <db6ivj$iol$1@sea.gmane.org>

Umm... <sheepish grin> ... nevermind.

Brad Borch wrote:

> Help,
> 
> I researched a thread from a while back "Own fontsuite with standalone?" 
>   So I built an app to try and use the "ext_loadFont" handler. The first 
> thing the app does is list the fonts in a field:
> 
> "put the fontNames into fld "fontTest1""
> 
> What's odd is that the function lists the fonts on my Macintosh, even 
> though the app is running from the PC. How is this possible?
> 
> Brad
> 
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From soapdog at mac.com  Thu Jul 14 16:48:36 2005
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:48:36 -0300
Subject: Arcade Engine and Quartam Reports Released
In-Reply-To: <dbd80191de56f6f71307cd4d75e0c77a@runrev.com>
References: <dbd80191de56f6f71307cd4d75e0c77a@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <742AFFE8-1A4C-4EF3-98D0-BE657E56AC41@mac.com>

I fells like christmas.... :-D

Cheers
andre



On Jul 14, 2005, at 5:44 PM, Heather Nagey wrote:

> Dear list members,
>
> We have some exciting news for you tonight - two brand new revSelect
> products.  Each has limited time special introductory pricing!
>
> The eagerly anticipated Quartam Reports by our community's esteemed  
> Jan
> Schenkel (from Quartam Software) is available now.
>
> Quartam Reports is the report generator you've been waiting for. If  
> you
> need to layout and print anything from labels to sales reports, or you
> just want to view collated information onscreen, this package is for
> you. Easy to use for simple tasks, but with professional power for
> complex operations.
>
> Not only that, but the excellent Malte Brill (from Debrill  
> Multimedia) is
> releasing ArcadeEngine.
>
> Use ArcadeEngine to enhance multimedia titles with complex object  
> motion,
> build arcade games, and for teaching and learning.  Features include
> powerful collision detection routines, linear movement, polygonal  
> movement,
> circular movement, elliptical movement and the ability to alter  
> speeds and
> movement at any time under full programmatic control.
>
> We're celebrating these releases with a bunch of special offers, from
> bundling free with new licenses to huge price reductions with update
> and upgrade pack purchases.
>
> Read all about Quartam Reports:
>
> http://www.runrev.com/section/revselect/quartam/index.php
>
> Read all about ArcadeEngine:
>
> http://www.runrev.com/section/revselect/arcadeengine/
>
> We'd like to congratulate both developers warmly on their sterling
> efforts and huge contributions to the Revolution community.
>
> Well, what are you waiting for? Rush out and get them!
>
> warm regards,
>
> Heather
>
> Heather Nagey, Customer Support Manager
> Runtime Revolution Ltd
> www.runrev.com
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Jul 14 16:53:15 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:53:15 -0700
Subject: Newbie Question
In-Reply-To: <31250622-2044-4592-9C40-609E7DC5D983@danshafer.com>
References: <20050714165048.2D6FB824D20@mail.runrev.com>
	<31250622-2044-4592-9C40-609E7DC5D983@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <1616665284.20050714135315@ahsoftware.net>

Dan-

Thursday, July 14, 2005, 12:17:49 PM, you wrote:

DS> OK, point taken, Xavier.

DS> You can't have a stack named "Home".

DS> Seems kinda stupid since the stack doesn't have the name, but, what
DS> the heck.

FWIW, I just posted an enhancement request (BZ #3007) suggesting that
"home" only refer to the license stack if hcAddressing is true. It'll
probably break the IDE, but, hey, it's Bastille Day and I felt like
storming the walls of the "home" paradigm.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From revlist at cableone.net  Thu Jul 14 17:06:26 2005
From: revlist at cableone.net (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:06:26 -0600
Subject: help with loading audio clips into a stack
In-Reply-To: <42D6CEBC.30808@sover.net>
References: <42D6CEBC.30808@sover.net>
Message-ID: <DA3B494C-C671-49A2-B7FF-2E0C03D54342@cableone.net>

Hi Jon,

There's only one way to do it that I'm aware of.  Save the audio  
files as binary data in custom properties of the stack.  Then,  
because the player requires a file path/url, you have to temporarily  
write the data to disk, set the player's filename to that file, then  
play it and delete the file when it's done.  There's really no other  
way.  I actually do this in my company's application, and it works  
quite well.

The thing that stinks is that if those audio files are large, that  
could be a big stack, and that's going to use more memory.  But maybe  
that's not really an issue.

Chris


On Jul 14, 2005, at 2:44 PM, Jon wrote:

> Ban and I finally managed to get a player he likes, but the way I  
> did it, the audio clips have to reside on the hard drive.  As you  
> can read below, Ban wants the audio data to be stored inside the  
> stack, so users can't clone it.
>
> The problem is that I don't know how to "suck" an audio clip into a  
> stack and then tell the player to play it back.
>
> Can anyone else help Ban?
>
> :)
>
> Jon
>

------------------------------------------
Chris Sheffield
Read Naturally
The Fluency Company
http://www.readnaturally.com
------------------------------------------




From SimPLsol at aol.com  Thu Jul 14 17:11:13 2005
From: SimPLsol at aol.com (SimPLsol at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:11:13 EDT
Subject: Quartam Reports Released
Message-ID: <145.493b192a.30082ef1@aol.com>

Are you serious?
Have we been waiting 19 months for a "Report Maker" that doesn't break 
scrolling fields across multiple pages?!?
Paul Looney


From revdan at danshafer.com  Thu Jul 14 17:16:48 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:16:48 -0700
Subject: Newbie Question
In-Reply-To: <42D6C22C.3010901@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <20050714165048.2D6FB824D20@mail.runrev.com>
	<31250622-2044-4592-9C40-609E7DC5D983@danshafer.com>
	<42D6C22C.3010901@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <714C75EC-5519-470F-AD84-92E88CF10B89@danshafer.com>

I shoulda picked up on that one.

Senior moment.

Dan

On Jul 14, 2005, at 12:51 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 7/14/05 2:17 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:
>
>
>> OK, point taken, Xavier.
>> You can't have a stack named "Home".
>> Seems kinda stupid since the stack doesn't have the name, but,  
>> what  the heck.
>>
>
> Actually, the stack itself is named "home", but it isn't the name  
> of the stack file on disk. It's a stealth Home. :)
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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>



From revdan at danshafer.com  Thu Jul 14 17:19:12 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:19:12 -0700
Subject: on the topic of eMails (was Re: 1st time Revolution
	user	question)
In-Reply-To: <222B81CB-2E31-4B3C-895A-92F9BB933681@mac.com>
References: <42D6A808.403@7power7.com>
	<A91565ED-93FC-47BC-BDA3-E8776222DE28@mac.com>
	<42D6CB9D.6090005@tweedly.net>
	<222B81CB-2E31-4B3C-895A-92F9BB933681@mac.com>
Message-ID: <0286F867-BC7A-4D83-B383-0B4146F4816D@danshafer.com>

Apple switched formats so that all emails are individual "files" that  
Spotlight can search. I guess they were too lazy to figure out how to  
make Spotlight search work inside an mbox structure.

Dan

On Jul 14, 2005, at 1:47 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> On panther apple mail app used mbox.... do you know something about  
> the new format?
>



From brad at activadesign.com  Thu Jul 14 17:19:53 2005
From: brad at activadesign.com (Brad Borch)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:19:53 -0400
Subject: Access to Unicode font
Message-ID: <db6kqf$65r$1@sea.gmane.org>

A while ago there was a thread "Own fontsuite with standalone?" Several 
author referenced the EXT.dll as a way to dynamically access fonts on 
the PC. Is this possible? If so, how? I know you can't embed fonts 
directly in RunRev, but the thread made it sound like there was a way to 
access them on the fly, from a CD or whatever.

Brad



From revdan at danshafer.com  Thu Jul 14 17:22:56 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:22:56 -0700
Subject: [ANN][EN][FR] New Sophisticated Plugin from So Smart Software
In-Reply-To: <01B48D69-C97E-4E73-8D49-36720D29BF89@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <01B48D69-C97E-4E73-8D49-36720D29BF89@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <1DB62147-7394-4AE0-8FBC-6EA00FE1B8B6@danshafer.com>

Eric........

Happy Bastille Day!

I cannot seem to figure out where to get this new stack or how to  
download it. I go to RevOnline and run the Tutorials Picker. I try to  
save the stack but all save options are dimmed out on my menu. OK, so  
I just ask your stack to list all the tutorials. There isn't one that  
sounds like Resource Picker.

I go to your site. i still can't find anything that looks like  
Resource Picker.

So what am I missing?

dan

On Jul 14, 2005, at 4:36 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Paris, Thursday, 14 July 2005
> Bastille Day :-)
>
> ---------------------- English version -------------------------
>
> Hello,
>
> So Smart Software today announces the availability of Resources  
> Picker, a new plugin for the Revolution family of software  
> development tools. Resources Picker lets users search and retrieve  
> information about Revolution from the built-in documentation,  
> stacks, mailing lists and web sites.
> The plugin comes with a help stack in French and English and is  
> available for Mac OS 9/10 and Windows XP (and should work on Linux :-)
>
> Resources Picker searches for information from four main sources:
>
> 1. Contextual and intelligent search through four aspects of the  
> Revolution documentation: FAQ, dictionary, topics section and  
> cookbook recipes.
> 2. Public Revolution related mailing lists by utilising the users  
> web browser and a choice of three main search engines (Google,  
> Gmane and Mail Archive). Support is also provided for direct  
> additional links to Google Advanced Search, Gmane by threads and  
> Mail Archive by threads or by date. Automated preparation of posts  
> to the use-Revolution or Education lists.
> 3. Revolution related relevant web resources: websites, stacks and  
> files etc. through a local customizable database, an index of the  
> contents of Rev Online and an index of the contents of RevNet.
> 4. An "All the Web" search from within the IDE with a choice of  
> three engines: Google, Yahoo or MSN.
>
> This announcement brings to fourteen the number of free Revolution  
> plugins available from So Smart Software.
> For further details, screenshots and downloads, please visit http:// 
> www.sosmartsoftware.com
>
> Best regards from Paris,
>
> Eric Chatonet.
>
>
> --------------------- Version fran?aise ------------------------
>
> Bonjour,
>
> So Smart Software (http://www.sosmartsoftware.com) a le plaisir  
> d'annoncer la sortie de Resources Picker, un nouveau plugin pour  
> DreamCard/Revolution.
>
> Resources Picker recherche et affiche des informations li?es ?  
> Revolution tir?es de la documentation, de piles, des listes de  
> diffusion et de sites web.
> Le plugin est liv?e avec une pile d'aide en fran?ais et en anglais.  
> Il est compatible Mac OS 9/10 et Windows XP (et devrait fonctionner  
> correctement avec Linux :-)
>
> Resources Picker recherche l'information dans quatres domaines  
> principaux :
>
> 1. Dans 4 aspects de la documentation de Revolution de fa?on  
> contextuelle et intelligente : FAQ (questions couramment pos?es),  
> le dictionnaire, la section des th?mes et le livre de recettes.
> 2. Dans les listes de diffusion (mailing lists) d?di?es ?  
> Revolution en utilisant le navigateur web de l'utilisateur et avec  
> le choix entre 3 moteurs de recherche : Google, Gmane et Mail  
> Archive. Des liens additionnels sont fournis pour acc?der ? la  
> recherche avanc?e de Google, Gmane par fils et Mail Archive par  
> fils ou par date. Pr?paration automatis?e de l'envoi de couriel aux  
> listes use-Revolution ou Education
> 3. Dans des ressources web pertinentes quant ? Revolution : sites  
> web, piles, fichiers, etc. ? travers d'une base de donn?es  
> param?trable et de 2 index des contenus de Rev Online et RevNet.
> 4. Dans "Tout le Web" depuis l'IDE avec le choix entre 3 moteurs :  
> Google, Yahoo ou MSN.
>
> Cette annonce porte ? 14 le nombre de plugins offerts par So Smart  
> Software.
> Pour plus de d?tails, copies d'?crans et t?l?chargements, merci de  
> vous rendre sur http://www.sosmartsoftware.com
>
> Cordialement,
>
> Eric Chatonet.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> So Smart Software
>
> Pour les institutionnels, les entreprises et les associations
> Des logiciels sur mesure : gestion, multim?dia, internet, etc.
> Windows, Mac OS et Linux... Avec la "french touch"
>
> For institutions, companies and associations
> Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc.
> Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
>



From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Jul 14 17:29:27 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:29:27 +0100
Subject: on the topic of eMails (was Re: 1st time
	Revolution	user	question)
In-Reply-To: <222B81CB-2E31-4B3C-895A-92F9BB933681@mac.com>
References: <42D6A808.403@7power7.com>	<A91565ED-93FC-47BC-BDA3-E8776222DE28@mac.com>	<42D6CB9D.6090005@tweedly.net>
	<222B81CB-2E31-4B3C-895A-92F9BB933681@mac.com>
Message-ID: <42D6D937.7090000@tweedly.net>

Andre Garzia wrote:

>
> Okay, not only apple is moving to intel but now they are breaking  
> compatibility... ;-)
>
> On panther apple mail app used mbox.... do you know something about  
> the new format?

I read somewhere (probably this list, since I don't read any Apple ones) 
that they had changed from mbox to something else in order to make 
spotlight more useful in mail searches - so presumably it's one message 
per file, or something like that.

It looks as though it may be still mbox format - but with a separate 
file per message. So for the purposes of reading mail from Rev, not much 
difference - sorry for the false alarm.  (nb - I don't *know* that but 
Google found a couple of blog pages that suggest it is now one 
mbox-format file per message, and it sounds likely).

-- 
Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net



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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Jul 14 17:35:22 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:35:22 -0700
Subject: [ANN][EN][FR] New Sophisticated Plugin from So Smart Software
In-Reply-To: <1DB62147-7394-4AE0-8FBC-6EA00FE1B8B6@danshafer.com>
References: <01B48D69-C97E-4E73-8D49-36720D29BF89@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<1DB62147-7394-4AE0-8FBC-6EA00FE1B8B6@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <1399192107.20050714143522@ahsoftware.net>

Dan-

Try

http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/?r=revolution&l=en

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Jul 14 17:34:40 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 23:34:40 +0200
Subject: [ANN][EN][FR] New Sophisticated Plugin from So Smart Software
In-Reply-To: <1DB62147-7394-4AE0-8FBC-6EA00FE1B8B6@danshafer.com>
References: <01B48D69-C97E-4E73-8D49-36720D29BF89@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<1DB62147-7394-4AE0-8FBC-6EA00FE1B8B6@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <44F0596D-450D-4230-A78B-8E22E4D75DF0@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Dan,

First thanks.

As for the tutorials, it's not a good idea to save them on your hard  
disk since, if you have a broadband connection, you get always the  
last updated version through Tutorials Picker in less than 1 or 2  
seconds...
Nevertheless if you want to save them you can use the contextual menu  
on any part of their window and choose the Save menu item :-)
(In fact all tutorials are modeless stacks)

As for my website, here are the direct links:

Tutorials http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/?r=revolution_didacticiels&l=en
Plugins http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/?r=revolution&l=en

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

Le 14 juil. 05 ? 23:22, Dan Shafer a ?crit :

> Eric........
>
> Happy Bastille Day!
>
> I cannot seem to figure out where to get this new stack or how to  
> download it. I go to RevOnline and run the Tutorials Picker. I try  
> to save the stack but all save options are dimmed out on my menu.  
> OK, so I just ask your stack to list all the tutorials. There isn't  
> one that sounds like Resource Picker.
>
> I go to your site. i still can't find anything that looks like  
> Resource Picker.
>
> So what am I missing?

----------------------------------------------------------------
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For institutions, companies and associations
Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc.
Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch

Free plugins and tutorials on my website
----------------------------------------------------------------
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Email        eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/
Phone        33 (0)1 43 31 77 62
Mobile        33 (0)6 20 74 50 86
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From b.xavier at internet.lu  Thu Jul 14 17:49:01 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 23:49:01 +0200
Subject: Newbie Question
In-Reply-To: <714C75EC-5519-470F-AD84-92E88CF10B89@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <20050714214116.A0D78824EA6@mail.runrev.com>

Hey, surprise

you can have a AdobeHome stack or a SimpleWookHome stack or AnyLogHome stack
or
even just a shacklookinghome in the frontscript to do your bidding. For our
international users, we also offer myCasaEnLaPlaya home stack or
LeChaletSurLeMountain stack ;)

Le chimeney not included (french accent is included though)

cheers
Xavier 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Dan Shafer
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 23:17
> To: jacque at hyperactivesw.com; How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Newbie Question
> 
> I shoulda picked up on that one.
> 
> Senior moment.
> 
> Dan
> 
> On Jul 14, 2005, at 12:51 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
> > On 7/14/05 2:17 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:
> >
> >
> >> OK, point taken, Xavier.
> >> You can't have a stack named "Home".
> >> Seems kinda stupid since the stack doesn't have the name, 
> but, what  
> >> the heck.
> >>
> >
> > Actually, the stack itself is named "home", but it isn't 
> the name of 
> > the stack file on disk. It's a stealth Home. :)
> >
> > -- 
> > Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> > HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >
> >
> 
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From bill at igame3d.com  Thu Jul 14 17:56:38 2005
From: bill at igame3d.com (William Griffin)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:56:38 -0400
Subject: preANN: ArcadeEngine
In-Reply-To: <20050714191130.A260F824DA8@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050714191130.A260F824DA8@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <b1e01bca6563a2ed50b220d112728422@igame3d.com>

I don't see any posts (at least not with the find function in mail)
so this is the pre-ANNouncement, "ooh ahh wow cool" response
to the coolest thing in Rev since I've started using the product.

Well besides my own work, but hey this looks finished,
ready to use, and I didn't have to sweat or bleed for this.

http://www.runrev.com/section/revselect/arcadeengine/

In case all my drooling doesn't make it obvious,
I'm really impressed with this!

Yeah, Malte!
Let the games begin!!

Mr Bill



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Jul 14 18:09:11 2005
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:09:11 -0700
Subject: help with loading audio clips into a stack
In-Reply-To: <42D6CEBC.30808@sover.net>
Message-ID: <BEFC3097.21229%scott@tactilemedia.com>

> This is exactly what I need but the only thing is I don't want user to
> play songs from his/her hard drive.  I want to import 9 songs in the
> stack and they can only play 9 songs,  and I don't want them to copy
> these songs into there hard drive, because these songs are copyrighted.

Well, what may not be news to you is that anything that is played over the
computer's speakers can be captured and saved, regardless of whether or not
the files reside on the drive.

That being said, AFAIK you can't get good playback control without using a
player object that references external audio files.  Combine this with the
previous comment that any audio delivered with the stack will be loaded into
memory, potentially eating up a lot of space (are the songs full length, 3
to 5 minutes each?).

If you deliver the songs with the stack, you might write them out to the
temp directory before playing and then delete when done.

Or, instead of including audio in the stack and and writing out to the
drive, you might consider storing the audio on the Web and accessing the
files with a player object via URLs (makes for a smaller stack).  Again, not
a foolproof system for copy protection but a little less accessible than
placing on the drive.

Trevor Devore or Klaus Major might know some more tricks here.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Development & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 14 18:11:01 2005
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:11:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Quartam Reports Released
In-Reply-To: <145.493b192a.30082ef1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20050714221102.43861.qmail@web60520.mail.yahoo.com>

--- SimPLsol at aol.com wrote:
> Are you serious?
> Have we been waiting 19 months for a "Report Maker"
> that doesn't break 
> scrolling fields across multiple pages?!?
> Paul Looney
> 

Hi Paul,

Let me start by saying that I do appreciate your
concern and understand your sentiment very well.

While it is true that it does not _yet_ break
scrolling fields accross multiple pages, it is right
at the top of my list of items to incorporate.

I would encourage everyone to have a good look at the
current feature set: there are useful items for
everyone, a lot of them going far beyond what 9-to-5
Reports or Reports Data Pro ever offered for
HyperCard.

Quartam Reports is based on traditional reporting
tools as you would find in FoxPro, Access and
FileMaker Pro -- it offers among other items:

- data fields using everyday Transcript expressions
- data groups with separate header and footer
- flexible formatting options
- aggregate functions without a line of code
- support for printing conditions, color and inks
- simplified printing commands for stacks, database
cursors and automated queries
- an advanced callback architecture that lets you
combine data from multiple sources

All that in a cross-platform package that lets you get
the most out of what Revolution has to offer. Data
doesn't just come from stacks, it is stored in
databases, internet pages, xml-files, web services,...

Providing developers with support for these advanced
features was my goal. And in order to get this out of
my computer into the hands of my fellow Rev-users,
while working a full-time job, I had to prioritize.

Perhaps not everyone will be happy with the decision
making process that I employed for this, but I do
think that this is a powerful and valuable addition to
the arsenal of Rev-related tools.

In order to accomplish this, I've had to be *quite*
resourceful to make it all work: creating a layout
builder like the one that ships with Quartam Reports,
has proven quite a challenge.

That being said, I would like to repeat that it is my
top priority to bring dynamic resizing fields to the
mix. I have a working prototype that, once again, had
to circumvent limitations in the environment.

But I have to do more than split text over pages: I
need to support relative positioning of items to make
this feature as flexible as it deserves to be. Another
challenge that I'm taking up in the coming weeks.

Version 1.0 is not an end-point, it is the start of a
long roadmap that will offer developers the best of
features found in similar tools. There are some
exciting features waiting in the wings.

A lot of developers will be more than fine starting
out with this first version. And allow me to point out
that the upgrade to version 1.1 will be FREE to anyone
who buys version 1.0 between now and when the upgrade
ships. I think that shows my commitment.

Again, I most certainly appreciate your eagerness to
have this feature. And I'll make it happen shortly. In
the meantime, Quartam Reports offers tremendous value
right here and right now.

Best regards,

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam - Tools for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

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From bann at sunncomm.com  Thu Jul 14 18:28:26 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:28:26 -0700
Subject: videoClip does stop playing????
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760978@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>

Hello,

I have a video (.mov)

I create a button (play) with this code:

on mouseUp
   play videoClip "my movie"
end mouseUp

I also create another button (close) with this code:

on mouseUp
  close this stack
  stop playing videoClip "my movie"
end mouseUp


The problem is:  the stack is closed but the video still play (you can
here it)

I don't know any other command to stop the video.  Please help.  Thank
you


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Jul 14 18:38:17 2005
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:38:17 -0600
Subject: preANN: ArcadeEngine
In-Reply-To: <b1e01bca6563a2ed50b220d112728422@igame3d.com>
References: <20050714191130.A260F824DA8@mail.runrev.com>
	<b1e01bca6563a2ed50b220d112728422@igame3d.com>
Message-ID: <0B4D6C15-ABCA-4C12-AA79-3FDA482DFAAC@byu.edu>


On Jul 14, 2005, at 3:56 PM, William Griffin wrote:

> I don't see any posts (at least not with the find function in mail)
> so this is the pre-ANNouncement, "ooh ahh wow cool" response
> to the coolest thing in Rev since I've started using the product.
>
> Well besides my own work, but hey this looks finished,
> ready to use, and I didn't have to sweat or bleed for this.
>
> http://www.runrev.com/section/revselect/arcadeengine/
>
> In case all my drooling doesn't make it obvious,
> I'm really impressed with this!
>
> Yeah, Malte!
> Let the games begin!!
>
> Mr Bill

Let me second that! Still picking my chin up off the floor.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From bann at sunncomm.com  Thu Jul 14 18:45:33 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:45:33 -0700
Subject: How to play a video clip from stack (NOT from hard drive)
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760979@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>

Hi everyone,

I have been reading many tutorials but I could not find any help about
how to play a song/video that is imported into the stack (not from hard
drive)

(I want user play song from stack not from their hard drive because this
is a standalone CD)


--------
I have a video (.mov)

I create a button (play) with this code:

on mouseUp
   play videoClip "my movie"
end mouseUp

I also create another button (close) with this code:

on mouseUp
  close this stack
  stop playing videoClip "my movie"
end mouseUp


The problem is:  the stack is closed but the video still play (you can
here it)

I don't know any other command to stop the video.  Please help.  Thank
you






From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jul 14 18:49:51 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:49:51 -0700
Subject: Arcade Engine and Quartam Reports Released
In-Reply-To: <dbd80191de56f6f71307cd4d75e0c77a@runrev.com>
References: <dbd80191de56f6f71307cd4d75e0c77a@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <42D6EC0F.5000003@fourthworld.com>

Heather Nagey wrote:
> Quartam Reports is the report generator you've been waiting for. If you
> need to layout and print anything from labels to sales reports, or you
> just want to view collated information onscreen, this package is for
> you. Easy to use for simple tasks, but with professional power for
> complex operations.
> 
> Not only that, but the excellent Malte Brill (from Debrill Multimedia) is
> releasing ArcadeEngine.
> 
> Use ArcadeEngine to enhance multimedia titles with complex object motion,
> build arcade games, and for teaching and learning.  Features include
> powerful collision detection routines, linear movement, polygonal movement,
> circular movement, elliptical movement and the ability to alter speeds and
> movement at any time under full programmatic control.

Two master works from two master craftsmen!  Excellent!
Congratulations to Jan and Malte, and to all who helped put this deal 
together.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 14 18:54:25 2005
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:54:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Buying Quartam Reports
Message-ID: <20050714225425.13031.qmail@web60518.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi All,

After feedback from the ever-helpful list members, I'm
here to offer some clarification on buying Quartam
Reports.

While Runtime Revolution has kindly offered special
bundles at amazing prices, you can also buy the
product separately from the revSelect section of their
online store.

I have updated the links on my website and added some
explanation on what to get where. More distribution
partners and payment methods will be added shortly.

Best regards, and thank you all for your continued
support and patience,

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam - Tools for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Jul 14 18:54:45 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:54:45 -0500
Subject: Arcade Engine and Quartam Reports Released
In-Reply-To: <dbd80191de56f6f71307cd4d75e0c77a@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BEFC5765.24DEA%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 7/14/05 3:44 PM, "Heather Nagey" <heather at runrev.com> wrote:

> The eagerly anticipated Quartam Reports by our community's esteemed Jan
> Schenkel (from Quartam Software) is available now.

> Not only that, but the excellent Malte Brill (from Debrill Multimedia)
> is releasing ArcadeEngine.

Congratulations, Jan and Malte! Well done!

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com




From mdswindell at charter.net  Thu Jul 14 19:00:43 2005
From: mdswindell at charter.net (Mark Swindell)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:00:43 -0700
Subject: [ANN][EN][FR] New Sophisticated Plugin from So Smart Software
In-Reply-To: <01B48D69-C97E-4E73-8D49-36720D29BF89@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <01B48D69-C97E-4E73-8D49-36720D29BF89@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <22F68C53-3920-4E60-8D95-0C1D23EECE08@charter.net>

Eric,
Very nice!  Is there an option to get ALL the results in one fell  
swoop?  (i.e. the FAQ, Dictionary, Topics, Cookbook all at once  
without having to choose each and re-search?)
Mark

On Jul 14, 2005, at 4:36 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Paris, Thursday, 14 July 2005
> Bastille Day :-)


From revdan at danshafer.com  Thu Jul 14 19:26:07 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:26:07 -0700
Subject: Quartam Reports Released
In-Reply-To: <145.493b192a.30082ef1@aol.com>
References: <145.493b192a.30082ef1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4D30E0A3-F4E8-4587-AAA6-C43AAF827EFA@danshafer.com>

Paul.....

Wow. that was a quick judgment call.

Nothing about all the great stuff it DOES make possible?

I have to say, I seldom have a need for splitting a scrolling field  
over multiple pages, but then the kind of reports I usually end up  
doing are far more like business reports examples in the Quartam stack.


On Jul 14, 2005, at 2:11 PM, SimPLsol at aol.com wrote:

> Are you serious?
> Have we been waiting 19 months for a "Report Maker" that doesn't break
> scrolling fields across multiple pages?!?
> Paul Looney
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author
http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
 From http://www.shafermedia.com/revolutionbooks.html






From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 14 19:31:27 2005
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:31:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Quartam Reports Released
Message-ID: <20050714233127.27464.qmail@web60525.mail.yahoo.com>

[my apologies if this appears twice]

--- SimPLsol at aol.com wrote:
> Are you serious?
> Have we been waiting 19 months for a "Report Maker"
> that doesn't break 
> scrolling fields across multiple pages?!?
> Paul Looney
> 

Hi Paul,

Let me start by saying that I do appreciate your
concern and understand your sentiment very well.

While it is true that it does not _yet_ break
scrolling fields accross multiple pages, it is right
at the top of my list of items to incorporate.

I would encourage everyone to have a good look at the
current feature set: there are useful items for
everyone, a lot of them going far beyond what 9-to-5
Reports or Reports Data Pro ever offered for
HyperCard.

Quartam Reports is based on traditional reporting
tools as you would find in FoxPro, Access and
FileMaker Pro -- it offers among other items:

- data fields using everyday Transcript expressions
- data groups with separate header and footer
- flexible formatting options
- aggregate functions without a line of code
- support for printing conditions, color and inks
- simplified printing commands for stacks, database
cursors and automated queries
- an advanced callback architecture that lets you
combine data from multiple sources

All that in a cross-platform package that lets you get
the most out of what Revolution has to offer. Data
doesn't just come from stacks, it is stored in
databases, internet pages, xml-files, web services,...

Providing developers with support for these advanced
features was my goal. And in order to get this out of
my computer into the hands of my fellow Rev-users,
while working a full-time job, I had to prioritize.

Perhaps not everyone will be happy with the decision
making process that I employed for this, but I do
think that this is a powerful and valuable addition to
the arsenal of Rev-related tools.

In order to accomplish this, I've had to be *quite*
resourceful to make it all work: creating a layout
builder like the one that ships with Quartam Reports,
has proven quite a challenge.

That being said, I would like to repeat that it is my
top priority to bring dynamic resizing fields to the
mix. I have a working prototype that, once again, had
to circumvent limitations in the environment.

But I have to do more than split text over pages: I
need to support relative positioning of items to make
this feature as flexible as it deserves to be. Another
challenge that I'm taking up in the coming weeks.

Version 1.0 is not an end-point, it is the start of a
long roadmap that will offer developers the best of
features found in similar tools. There are some
exciting features waiting in the wings.

A lot of developers will be more than fine starting
out with this first version. And allow me to point out
that the upgrade to version 1.1 will be FREE to anyone
who buys version 1.0 between now and when the upgrade
ships. I think that shows my commitment.

Again, I most certainly appreciate your eagerness to
have this feature. And I'll make it happen shortly. In
the meantime, Quartam Reports offers tremendous value
right here and right now.

Best regards,

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam - Tools for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

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From revolution at derbrill.de  Thu Jul 14 19:39:25 2005
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 01:39:25 +0200
Subject: arcadeEngine
In-Reply-To: <20050714211650.99FC0824DE1@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <82E5CE3B-F4C0-11D9-A8C3-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>

Hi all!

Thanks for your warm feedback on arcadeEngine. I?m really happy to read 
it. :-)

For all you who are interested: I will be available for Q&A this sunday 
19.30 CET on Bj?rnkes chatRev

< http://chatrev.bjoernke.com >

If you have any questions regarding ArcadeEngine, I encourage you to 
visit the support forum at

http://www.derbrill.com/arcadeengine/forum

So you won?t be let alone with your questions. :-) If you use 
ArcadeEngine and do cool stuff with it you can also post links to show 
your work there. I have many plans on improving the library, and as it 
is actually the code base I use in all of my games I can assure you 
that there will be updates over time. If you are missing anything in 
the library I encourage you to come to the forum and request a feature.

The time for the chatrev in seconds is: 1121621400

  So if you write this in the messagebox you should get your local time:

convert "1121621400" to internet date;put it

Thanks again for your warm feedback!

Malte

From Ms1 at soas.ac.uk  Thu Jul 14 20:24:52 2005
From: Ms1 at soas.ac.uk (Muaadh Salih)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 00:24:52 +0000
Subject: Function not functioning ?!
Message-ID: <1121387092.c16330e0Ms1@soas.ac.uk>

Many thanks for the generous help from the list. We intend to migrate from hypercard to Rev. and port All our Language learning material to rev.
However I found the following simple funtion returns an unexpected result in Rev..

 Funtion plural count,textw
if count <>1 then put "s" after textw
if count =0 then put "no" into count
return count && tetxw

calling the funtion ,say, 
answer plural (4, "car")
returns 4s ( i.e. textw  is empty) in
revolution
while  it works perfectly in HC ie, (4, cars)

did I miss anything ?
p.s I am using ver 2.6 on Xp 
much appriciated your help
-----------------------
Muaash Salih
University of London 
SOAS

email ms1 at soas.ac.uk



From Hamburger1 at aol.com  Thu Jul 14 20:28:02 2005
From: Hamburger1 at aol.com (Hamburger1 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:28:02 EDT
Subject: Follow Up Newbie Question
Message-ID: <1fd.59d615d.30085d12@aol.com>

First, thanks for the many responses to my question this morning. Taking the 
advice of several of you I opened the only card of the only revolution stack I 
have so far with 

on preOpenStack
     start using this stack
end preOpenStack 

It seemed like the thing to do, but it didn't read the custom handlers and 
functions I had in the stack script.

For example I have an idle handler that constantly updates the time in one of 
the fields on the card. The time doesn't change. Maybe the idle handler isn't 
the way to do that.

Joe


From briany at qldlearning.com  Thu Jul 14 20:32:41 2005
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:32:41 -0700
Subject: Function not functioning ?!
In-Reply-To: <1121387092.c16330e0Ms1@soas.ac.uk>
References: <1121387092.c16330e0Ms1@soas.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <c4b432fc20f65cdf52cf19026a39c910@qldlearning.com>

>  Funtion plural count,textw
> if count <>1 then put "s" after textw
> if count =0 then put "no" into count
> return count && tetxw

Is this your actual code? It has several typos, including "tetxw" which 
should be "textw" in the last line.

function plural count,textw
     if count <>1 then put "s" after textw
     if count =0 then put "no" into count
     return count && textw
end plural

Should work fine in Rev with some proofreading.

- Brian



From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Jul 14 20:34:06 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 01:34:06 +0100
Subject: Function not functioning ?!
In-Reply-To: <1121387092.c16330e0Ms1@soas.ac.uk>
References: <1121387092.c16330e0Ms1@soas.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <42D7047E.1070303@tweedly.net>

Muaadh Salih wrote:

>Many thanks for the generous help from the list. We intend to migrate from hypercard to Rev. and port All our Language learning material to rev.
>However I found the following simple funtion returns an unexpected result in Rev..
>
> Funtion plural count,textw
>if count <>1 then put "s" after textw
>if count =0 then put "no" into count
>return count && tetxw
>
>  
>
should be textw - not tetxw - in the return statement
I don't know if that's a typo from creating the email - or a typo in 
creating the Rev script.
If it's the latter, then that's the solution; if the former, then I 
don't know (yet).

>calling the funtion ,say, 
>answer plural (4, "car")
>returns 4s ( i.e. textw  is empty) in
>revolution
>while  it works perfectly in HC ie, (4, cars)
>
>did I miss anything ?
>p.s I am using ver 2.6 on Xp 
>much appriciated your help
>  
>
I hope that helped - if not, could you please cut/paste the script 
directly into the email to make sure we have no typo errors to confuse 
things.
Thanks,

-- 
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From SimPLsol at aol.com  Thu Jul 14 21:36:28 2005
From: SimPLsol at aol.com (SimPLsol at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 21:36:28 EDT
Subject: Quartam Reports Released
Message-ID: <1ac.3b80f44f.30086d1c@aol.com>

Dan,
     That was NOT a quick judgment call. I met with Jan at Mac World in 
January of 2004. We talked for 5 hours. I was adamant about the necessity to 
accommodate data in scrolling fields. I have repeatedly told Kevin why this is 
necessary. I have repeatedly volunteered to be a beta tester for any reports system 
they wanted my to help test.
     I have actually been extremely patient. We have all been patient. 
Revolution promised a report maker for version 2.0, 2.2, 2.3, 2.5 (where they took 
away everything else and told us to expect "a third party alternative"). 
Revolution STILL does not have a viable report maker.
     You ask:
          "Nothing about all the great stuff it DOES make possible?"
     Well Dan, if you buy a cookbook and   then find it doesn't have any 
recipes, it doesn't make any difference if it is lavishly illustrated or if it 
contains wise and witty saying - it won't help you cook! A modern report maker 
MUST accommodate scrolling fields! There is no need to look further.
     Consolidating data can be done in a stack; you don't need a report maker 
for that. You don't need (and probably don't want) HTML text. The bells and 
whistles can't hide the fact that Quartam Reports doesn't do basic the basic 
stuff it needs to do.
     I have spent over 30 years designing business systems. I have used a lot 
of programs. Anything I'd use today would accommodate scrolling fields. 
Modern Invoices, Statements, Quotes, Contracts require them - unless I confine my 
business to companies that only write one page orders...
     Today we still cannot build a business system in Revolution that has repo
rting capabilities equal to circa 1992 HyperCard.
     So, it was not a quick call, just a slow boil.
Paul Looney


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jul 14 21:47:01 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:47:01 -0500
Subject: Follow Up Newbie Question
In-Reply-To: <1fd.59d615d.30085d12@aol.com>
References: <1fd.59d615d.30085d12@aol.com>
Message-ID: <42D71595.80801@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/14/05 7:28 PM, Hamburger1 at aol.com wrote:

> First, thanks for the many responses to my question this morning. Taking the 
> advice of several of you I opened the only card of the only revolution stack I 
> have so far with 
> 
> on preOpenStack
>      start using this stack
> end preOpenStack 
> 
> It seemed like the thing to do, but it didn't read the custom handlers and 
> functions I had in the stack script.

Did you close and then reopen the stack? That is the only time a 
preOpenStack message would be sent.

> For example I have an idle handler that constantly updates the time in one of 
> the fields on the card. The time doesn't change. Maybe the idle handler isn't 
> the way to do that.

In HyperCard it was the only way, and you can do it the same way in Rev, 
but it isn't the best way. A replacement example for idle is in my 
HyperCard to Revolution tutorial here:

<http://www.hyperactivesw.com/mctutorial/rrtutorialtoc.html>

In particular, the section near the end on "Timed events - Using 'send 
to' instead of idle". You may want to read some of the earlier stuff in 
the tutorial a bit to see what the example is refering to.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From SimPLsol at aol.com  Thu Jul 14 22:44:39 2005
From: SimPLsol at aol.com (SimPLsol at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:44:39 EDT
Subject: Quartam Reports, day late, dime short
Message-ID: <1da.40015fb9.30087d17@aol.com>

Jan,
     I don't mean to be disrespectful but you have delivered the frosting 
without the cake.

     Quartam Reports does a lot of things we don't need:
- data fields using everyday Transcript expressions
- data groups with separate header and footer
- flexible formatting options
- aggregate functions without a line of code
- support for printing conditions, color and inks
- simplified printing commands for stacks, database
cursors and automated queries
- an advanced callback architecture that lets you
combine data from multiple sources

     and does not deliver what we do need:
- the ability to take information stored in a Revolution stack and print it 
in standard business format.

     Did anyone actually ask for the Quartam feature set? Did anyone beta 
test QR?

     You always tend to dismiss 9 to 5 Reports, but the fact is "they got it 
right".   Reports with HyperCard is a powerful business tool. That's why I 
invested the time in showing it to you, explaining what it meant to my business 
users, urging you to incorporate its basic functionality. We have all waited a 
long time for a Revolution solution. Based on missed deadlines to date, I am 
not optimistic about QR v 1.1 shipping in any sort of timely manner ;-)   

     I am extremely disappointed.
Paul Looney

PS Are you saying definitively that v 1.1, if it ever ships, WILL support 
scrolling fields - and be a free upgrade?


From briany at qldlearning.com  Thu Jul 14 22:58:57 2005
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:58:57 -0700
Subject: Quartam Reports, day late, dime short
In-Reply-To: <1da.40015fb9.30087d17@aol.com>
References: <1da.40015fb9.30087d17@aol.com>
Message-ID: <ca09b1a745ae735d1392af0158b9d24f@qldlearning.com>

Paul,

Saying you don't mean to be disrespectful doesn't make it so. Flaming 
Jan repeatedly on-list immediately after a product release is quite 
disrespectful.

Here's a suggestion. Make a feature request. Buy a copy of Quartam to 
support development. See if lots of other Rev users also want the 
feature. Watch it get implemented.

Please be finished with the trite remarks about frosting on cakes, 
missed deadlines and your individual needs, and try a professional 
approach. Otherwise you are more than likely just going to be tuned 
out.

- Brian

> Jan,
>      I don't mean to be disrespectful but you have delivered the 
> frosting
> without the cake.
>
>      Quartam Reports does a lot of things we don't need:
> - data fields using everyday Transcript expressions
> - data groups with separate header and footer
> - flexible formatting options
> - aggregate functions without a line of code
> - support for printing conditions, color and inks
> - simplified printing commands for stacks, database
> cursors and automated queries
> - an advanced callback architecture that lets you
> combine data from multiple sources
>
>      and does not deliver what we do need:
> - the ability to take information stored in a Revolution stack and 
> print it
> in standard business format.
>
>      Did anyone actually ask for the Quartam feature set? Did anyone 
> beta
> test QR?
>
>      You always tend to dismiss 9 to 5 Reports, but the fact is "they 
> got it
> right".   Reports with HyperCard is a powerful business tool. That's 
> why I
> invested the time in showing it to you, explaining what it meant to my 
> business
> users, urging you to incorporate its basic functionality. We have all 
> waited a
> long time for a Revolution solution. Based on missed deadlines to 
> date, I am
> not optimistic about QR v 1.1 shipping in any sort of timely manner ;-)
>
>      I am extremely disappointed.
> Paul Looney
>
> PS Are you saying definitively that v 1.1, if it ever ships, WILL 
> support
> scrolling fields - and be a free upgrade?
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From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Thu Jul 14 23:01:09 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:01:09 +1000
Subject: Serial communication in Tiger
In-Reply-To: <67DDED41-7B0B-45A5-AC66-4A7CF87E1FDE@writeme.com>
References: <83B8946B-126E-4C5F-AF76-3DE4F15C4578@writeme.com>
	<B3DC1E4A-B251-42B4-953E-4DA355C9D044@mindspring.com>
	<67DDED41-7B0B-45A5-AC66-4A7CF87E1FDE@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <BCEC238C-4FF9-4A88-8D45-ADE454887B8F@genesearch.com.au>

> I just found Sarah's "SerialTest.rev" stack and it can communicate  
> to my device.  So I am home free now --just have to make a few  
> adjustments to her stack.
>
> Thanks also to Sarah --when you get here!
> Dennis
>

Glad to help. I use serial communications a lot and find Rev very  
reliable & effective.

Cheers,
Sarah



From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 14 23:07:37 2005
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:07:37 -0500
Subject: Quartam Reports, day late, dime short - lots of hard work
In-Reply-To: <ca09b1a745ae735d1392af0158b9d24f@qldlearning.com>
References: <1da.40015fb9.30087d17@aol.com>
	<ca09b1a745ae735d1392af0158b9d24f@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <28E57C61-F0E6-4138-923F-686079898782@earthlink.net>

I can't help thinking the same thing.  Especially in this group, we  
should all have some sense of how much work Jan has put into Quartam  
and show a little respect for that work.  My 2 cents.

Marian

On Jul 14, 2005, at 9:58 PM, Brian Yennie wrote:
>
> Saying you don't mean to be disrespectful doesn't make it so.  
> Flaming Jan repeatedly on-list immediately after a product release  
> is quite disrespectful.



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Jul 14 23:18:44 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:18:44 -0500
Subject: Quartam Reports, day late, dime short
In-Reply-To: <1da.40015fb9.30087d17@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BEFC9544.24E40%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 7/14/05 9:44 PM, "SimPLsol at aol.com" <SimPLsol at aol.com> wrote:

Paul,
 
>      and does not deliver what we do need:
> - the ability to take information stored in a Revolution stack and print it
> in standard business format.

That's not true... in fact, the sample stack shows printing a basic report
from Revolution fields (see "Simple Reports/Printing Stacks"). Now it may
not do scrolling fields, but it certainly does "take information stored in a
Revolution stack and print it in standard business format."

>      Did anyone actually ask for the Quartam feature set? Did anyone beta
> test QR?

Of course! It's been in beta for a number of months, and there have been
dozens of testers (see
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/quartam_reports_public_beta/) - in fact, I'm
very surprised that with all your comments about needing a good report
writer, you weren't a tester or involved with the testing (at least I don't
see you listed as a member at the public beta site).

So please don't imply that it "does not deliver what *we* need" when it
actually doesn't deliver what *you* need.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com




From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 15 01:38:39 2005
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:38:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Quartam Reports, day late, dime short
In-Reply-To: <1da.40015fb9.30087d17@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20050715053839.70529.qmail@web60519.mail.yahoo.com>

--- SimPLsol at aol.com wrote:
> Jan,
>      I don't mean to be disrespectful but you have
> delivered the frosting 
> without the cake.
> 
>      Quartam Reports does a lot of things we don't
> need:
> - data fields using everyday Transcript expressions
> - data groups with separate header and footer
> - flexible formatting options
> - aggregate functions without a line of code
> - support for printing conditions, color and inks
> - simplified printing commands for stacks, database
> cursors and automated queries
> - an advanced callback architecture that lets you
> combine data from multiple sources
> 
>      and does not deliver what we do need:
> - the ability to take information stored in a
> Revolution stack and print it 
> in standard business format.
> 
>      Did anyone actually ask for the Quartam feature
> set? Did anyone beta 
> test QR?
> 
>      You always tend to dismiss 9 to 5 Reports, but
> the fact is "they got it 
> right".   Reports with HyperCard is a powerful
> business tool. That's why I 
> invested the time in showing it to you, explaining
> what it meant to my business 
> users, urging you to incorporate its basic
> functionality. We have all waited a 
> long time for a Revolution solution. Based on missed
> deadlines to date, I am 
> not optimistic about QR v 1.1 shipping in any sort
> of timely manner ;-)   
> 
>      I am extremely disappointed.
> Paul Looney
> 
> PS Are you saying definitively that v 1.1, if it
> ever ships, WILL support 
> scrolling fields - and be a free upgrade?
> 

Hi Paul,

As stated in my previous email, version 1.0, when it
ships, WILL support scrolling fields - and be a free
upgrade.

I meant no disrespect towards 9-to-5 Reports: it is a
tremendous tool that made HyperCard a viable solution
for building business applications.

But there are more ways to store data than in stacks.
There are databases, xml-files and all the other
places that I mentioned before. I felt these were
important itms to integrate with.

Incidentally, you can easily take data from a stack
and print it in a report. A simplified command for
this allows you to script a printing button:
--
  qrtReports_PrintReportForStack \
     <layout filepath>,<stack name>,<preview flag>
--

And then the report printing library will do the heavy
lifting by itself, going through your stack one card
at a time, and filling the report.
An optional fourth parameter lets you specify a range:
all (default), marked, unmarked or an MS-Word style
range (think "1-7,9,14" to print the data on cards 1
through 7, card 9 and card 14)

Quartam Reports was in public beta from the end of
April, and while I primarily looked at what I expected
from a report tool, I did ask for feedback from public
and private beta testers.
They have provided me with ideas for years to come.
But while scrolling fields are high on every wish
list, all you need to print reports is there, and
more.

I have most certainly not forgotten the great demo you
showed me at MacWorld last year. But I can't help but
be reminded of the paradox of software development:
users want it shipped yesterday, packing features they
haven't even thought they needed tomorrow, while never
needing an upgrade.
Now there's a challenge for a developer -- maybe I
should get Jacque to send me a beta of her time warp
stacks ;-)

Best regards,

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam - Tools for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

=====
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From revolution at jaedworks.com  Fri Jul 15 01:47:26 2005
From: revolution at jaedworks.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:47:26 -0700
Subject: Search/Replace Strange Behavior
In-Reply-To: <AA6581AA-5175-42B3-8728-CEAA080B3E67@charter.net>
References: <AA6581AA-5175-42B3-8728-CEAA080B3E67@charter.net>
Message-ID: <p0621023cbefcfbc5a720@[192.168.2.153]>

At 11:58 AM -0700 7/14/2005, Mark Swindell wrote:
>I just had a strange behavior I wonder if anyone can explain.  I 
>have a card with 3 fields containing many pages of narrative text. 
>They are extensively formatted with linked text, colors, etc.  I 
>used the search and replace to change occurrences of two spaces (I 
>learned to type long ago on manual typewriters and can't shake the 
>habit) to only one space.   I just typed in two spaces in the find 
>field, and one in the replace field.  I limited the find/replace 
>function to field text.  I pressed replace, and all formatting was 
>lost on all three fields.  Is this a bug, or a feature?  I certainly 
>didn't expect it.

It's a "nuance" or a "design flaw", depending on how charitable 
you're feeling. The replace command treats its parameters as pure 
text, so if you do something like

   replace "foo" with "bar" in field "Stuff"

you'll lose all formatting in the field. Replace seems to make a copy 
of the target text, then do the replace operation, and then swap the 
target text back into the field.

The find/replace dialog really ought to be using htmlText, I think, 
although then a certain amount of conniptions would be required to 
avoid replacing text in an HTML tag.
-- 
jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
http://www.jaedworks.com


From revolution at jaedworks.com  Fri Jul 15 01:47:13 2005
From: revolution at jaedworks.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:47:13 -0700
Subject: help with loading audio clips into a stack
In-Reply-To: <42D6CEBC.30808@sover.net>
References: <42D6CEBC.30808@sover.net>
Message-ID: <p0621023dbefcfc93d77a@[192.168.2.153]>

At 4:44 PM -0400 7/14/2005, Jon wrote:
>Ban and I finally managed to get a player he likes, but the way I 
>did it, the audio clips have to reside on the hard drive.  As you 
>can read below, Ban wants the audio data to be stored inside the 
>stack, so users can't clone it.
>
>The problem is that I don't know how to "suck" an audio clip into a 
>stack and then tell the player to play it back.
>
>Can anyone else help Ban?

Store it in a custom property:

   set the storedAudio of card "My Audio" to URL "binfile:myAudioFile.wav"

Then have a script in the Play button to spit it back out into a temp file:

   put the storedAudio of card "My Audio" into URL "binfile:myAudioFile.wav"

When finished playing (or when the application quits), delete the file:

   delete URL "binfile:myAudioFile.wav"
-- 
jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
http://www.jaedworks.com


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul 15 02:14:36 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 08:14:36 +0200
Subject: [ANN][EN][FR] New Sophisticated Plugin from So Smart Software
In-Reply-To: <22F68C53-3920-4E60-8D95-0C1D23EECE08@charter.net>
References: <01B48D69-C97E-4E73-8D49-36720D29BF89@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<22F68C53-3920-4E60-8D95-0C1D23EECE08@charter.net>
Message-ID: <329B94CB-5569-4004-BEA0-29E1AB7BE7C0@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Mark,

Thanks for the kind words :-)
Thanks for the feedback too: comments and requests are very important  
and useful.

At the moment, there is no option to get all the results in one fell  
swoop.
I did not provide such a feature since searching in deeper mode can  
be a bit long:
FAQ: 479 xml files
Dictionary: 1497 xml files
Topics: 17 xml files
Recipes: 55 cards

And one of my ergonomic goals was to *appear* much faster than the  
docs itself :-)
Letting the user beginning to read the more relevant results (always  
at top) while the search goes on.
On the other hand, there would be no technical problem to add a  
Search All menu item.
So such an enhancement could appear in the next version ;-)

Le 15 juil. 05 ? 01:00, Mark Swindell a ?crit :

> Eric,
> Very nice!  Is there an option to get ALL the results in one fell  
> swoop?  (i.e. the FAQ, Dictionary, Topics, Cookbook all at once  
> without having to choose each and re-search?)


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul 15 02:20:19 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 08:20:19 +0200
Subject: videoClip does stop playing????
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760978@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760978@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <2B5C2BC3-D010-487B-8A89-D300241570F6@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Ban,

By definition, all code you put after a close stack command can't be  
executed :-)
So try to stop you movie *before* closing the stack.

Le 15 juil. 05 ? 00:28, Ban Nguyen a ?crit :

> on mouseUp
>   close this stack
>   stop playing videoClip "my movie"
> end mouseUp
>
>
> The problem is:  the stack is closed but the video still play (you can
> here it)


Best Regards from Paris,

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From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Jul 15 03:15:48 2005
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:15:48 +0200
Subject: videoClip does stop playing????
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760978@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760978@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <83E2D2BD-ED7A-4B8D-A117-D97A1D482B99@major-k.de>

Hi Ban,

> Hello,
>
> I have a video (.mov)
>
> I create a button (play) with this code:
>
> on mouseUp
>    play videoClip "my movie"
> end mouseUp
>
> I also create another button (close) with this code:
>
> on mouseUp
>   close this stack
>   stop playing videoClip "my movie"
> end mouseUp
>
>
> The problem is:  the stack is closed but the video still play (you can
> here it)
>
> I don't know any other command to stop the video.  Please help.  Thank
> you

use reverse order and the correct syntax for you commands,
that should do the trick :-)

on mouseUp
   play stop vc
   close this stack
end mouseUp

vc = short for videoclip

No need to specify the name of the clip, since only one clip can be  
playing
at a time...


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Jul 15 03:17:55 2005
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:17:55 +0200
Subject: help with loading audio clips into a stack
In-Reply-To: <BEFC3097.21229%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <BEFC3097.21229%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <69E70630-7B6E-44B4-B374-FF836AC8C3C9@major-k.de>

Hi Scott and Ban,

>> This is exactly what I need but the only thing is I don't want  
>> user to
>> play songs from his/her hard drive.  I want to import 9 songs in the
>> stack and they can only play 9 songs,  and I don't want them to copy
>> these songs into there hard drive, because these songs are  
>> copyrighted.
>>
>
> Well, what may not be news to you is that anything that is played  
> over the
> computer's speakers can be captured and saved, regardless of  
> whether or not
> the files reside on the drive.
>
> That being said, AFAIK you can't get good playback control without  
> using a
> player object that references external audio files.  Combine this  
> with the
> previous comment that any audio delivered with the stack will be  
> loaded into
> memory, potentially eating up a lot of space (are the songs full  
> length, 3
> to 5 minutes each?).
>
> If you deliver the songs with the stack, you might write them out  
> to the
> temp directory before playing and then delete when done.
>
> Or, instead of including audio in the stack and and writing out to the
> drive, you might consider storing the audio on the Web and  
> accessing the
> files with a player object via URLs (makes for a smaller stack).   
> Again, not
> a foolproof system for copy protection but a little less accessible  
> than
> placing on the drive.
>
> Trevor Devore or Klaus Major might know some more tricks here.

Thanks for the flowers but there is no way (that I know) to use a  
player with
internal fiels command except the above mentioned way of storing the  
files
internally and spit them out into the "temp" directory or somewhere  
else...

> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Development & Design
> -----
> E: scott at tactilemedia.com
> W: http://www.tactilemedia.com

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Fri Jul 15 03:28:39 2005
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 08:28:39 +0100
Subject: App Browser Woes.....
In-Reply-To: <C789A057-573C-45FF-AACF-C8CCBEA5AE62@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <p06200710befbd8e0b185@ezpzapps.com>
	<7252FA1E-8EAA-4B22-BF18-92A3CA9D73B3@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<a05210600befc15f07e39@[192.168.80.101]>
	<C789A057-573C-45FF-AACF-C8CCBEA5AE62@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <a05210601befd13ca0a86@[192.168.80.101]>

Hi,

Well whoever allowed this to go into a production product need their 
brains testing! Sorry but that's the plain truth of the matter. Talk 
about shooting yourself in the foot! At the VERY VERY VERY least it 
should be a Preference that is defaulted to off, and the caption of 
this pref should read "Do you want to save a small amount of refresh 
time but totally confuse yourself and make RunRev look as if it has 
been programmed by idiots"

Sorry for this Rant, and in general RunRev is a really cool tool and 
I love using it, but I am really getting sick of stupid little IDE 
bugs/features that cause me lots of wasted time.

Take for example this particular refresh problem, is there ANYONE on 
this list that would want this functionality? Who in their right mind 
would sacrifice an up to date list view for a split-seconds worth of 
refresh time?

I was slighly upset when I thought it was a genuine bug that had 
slipped in, now I know it was done deliberately I am FUMING!!!!! How 
do I officially complain to RunRev about this?

Eric, If you do work out a patch Stack I would be really grateful if 
you would send me a copy.

All the Best
Dave


>Hi Dave and Chris,
>
>To be precise, the problem came with Rev 2.5.1. (no problem with 2.5)
>In order to save time, runRev guys imagined to keep the current 
>controls list into a cache and rebuild this list only when a control 
>was deleted or added.
>So, you have just to open the script of the revApplicationOverview 
>stack and search for the revControlList function and comment the 
>following lines:
>
>  if the number of lines in lControlCache[pCard] is tNumControls
>  then return lControlCache[pCard]
>
>I have no time now but may be I shall find a couple of minutes to 
>write a patch stack to morrow :-)
>
>Le 14 juil. 05 ? 15:17, David Burgun a ?crit :
>
>>How come when I change something in my stack, like the layer number 
>>or the object name etc. It doesn't change in the App Browser Window?
>>I am running RunRev 2.6.5 build 108 on Mac OS X Tiger 10.4.2.
>>Does anyone else have this problem??
>
>Copy to runRev support.
>
>Best Regards from Paris,
>
>Eric Chatonet.
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul 15 03:52:51 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:52:51 +0200
Subject: App Browser Woes.....
In-Reply-To: <a05210601befd13ca0a86@[192.168.80.101]>
References: <p06200710befbd8e0b185@ezpzapps.com>
	<7252FA1E-8EAA-4B22-BF18-92A3CA9D73B3@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<a05210600befc15f07e39@[192.168.80.101]>
	<C789A057-573C-45FF-AACF-C8CCBEA5AE62@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<a05210601befd13ca0a86@[192.168.80.101]>
Message-ID: <75E9407B-5C07-4756-911D-27D3D4F88F00@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Dave,

I don't want to blame runRev guys too rudely: they got a false good  
idea :-)
As a programmer, I have to confess that it can happen to me too...
But, on the other hand, as a user of a commercial product named  
Revolution, I expect more serious testing before any release...

As Jim pointed it, my Objects Picker plugin works pretty well and, as  
for layers management provides "arrows" buttons to reorganise objects  
layers in a very convenient graphical way. You can even change  
multiple objects layers (non contiguous if you wish it) in one fell  
swoop and the list is of course immediately updated :-)

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

Le 15 juil. 05 ? 09:28, David Burgun a ?crit :

> Hi,
>
> Well whoever allowed this to go into a production product need their
> brains testing! Sorry but that's the plain truth of the matter. Talk
> about shooting yourself in the foot! At the VERY VERY VERY least it
> should be a Preference that is defaulted to off, and the caption of
> this pref should read "Do you want to save a small amount of refresh
> time but totally confuse yourself and make RunRev look as if it has
> been programmed by idiots"
>
> Sorry for this Rant, and in general RunRev is a really cool tool and
> I love using it, but I am really getting sick of stupid little IDE
> bugs/features that cause me lots of wasted time.
>
> Take for example this particular refresh problem, is there ANYONE on
> this list that would want this functionality? Who in their right mind
> would sacrifice an up to date list view for a split-seconds worth of
> refresh time?
>
> I was slighly upset when I thought it was a genuine bug that had
> slipped in, now I know it was done deliberately I am FUMING!!!!! How
> do I officially complain to RunRev about this?
>
> Eric, If you do work out a patch Stack I would be really grateful if
> you would send me a copy.
>
> All the Best
> Dave
>
>
>
>> Hi Dave and Chris,
>>
>> To be precise, the problem came with Rev 2.5.1. (no problem with 2.5)
>> In order to save time, runRev guys imagined to keep the current
>> controls list into a cache and rebuild this list only when a control
>> was deleted or added.
>> So, you have just to open the script of the revApplicationOverview
>> stack and search for the revControlList function and comment the
>> following lines:
>>
>>  if the number of lines in lControlCache[pCard] is tNumControls
>>  then return lControlCache[pCard]
>>
>> I have no time now but may be I shall find a couple of minutes to
>> write a patch stack to morrow :-)
>>
>> Le 14 juil. 05 ? 15:17, David Burgun a ?crit :
>>
>>
>>> How come when I change something in my stack, like the layer number
>>> or the object name etc. It doesn't change in the App Browser Window?
>>> I am running RunRev 2.6.5 build 108 on Mac OS X Tiger 10.4.2.
>>> Does anyone else have this problem??
>>>
>>
>> Copy to runRev support.
>>
>> Best Regards from Paris,
>>
>> Eric Chatonet.

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From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Fri Jul 15 04:05:51 2005
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:05:51 +0100
Subject: App Browser Woes.....
In-Reply-To: <75E9407B-5C07-4756-911D-27D3D4F88F00@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <p06200710befbd8e0b185@ezpzapps.com>
	<7252FA1E-8EAA-4B22-BF18-92A3CA9D73B3@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<a05210600befc15f07e39@[192.168.80.101]>
	<C789A057-573C-45FF-AACF-C8CCBEA5AE62@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<a05210601befd13ca0a86@[192.168.80.101]>
	<75E9407B-5C07-4756-911D-27D3D4F88F00@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <a05210602befd1c821691@[192.168.80.101]>

Hi Eric,

Yes, I agree, I don't want to blame the programmers too much either, 
but their really should be more control on what goes into a 
Production piece of software that is being used to generate other 
programs.More testing, but also someone that makes a decision of what 
goes in and what does not. It should NOT be left to a programmer to 
make this decision. Usually they are too focused on the problem in 
hand and do not see the big picture or the terrible chaos that can be 
caused by their "Quick-Fixes".

As a programmer I have been guilty of this in the past. Thankfully we 
had a good QA and Release manager that threw my efforts out so as not 
to inflict my good intentions of the unsuspecting public!

Programmers should remember the old saying - "The Road to Hell is 
Paved with Good Intentions".

Where can I get your object picker from? I will download it, I would 
rather do that then patch RunRev.

And Best Regards to you from a Very Hot and Sunny London! Glad I got 
up early so I can get off early - TGIF!

And a Great Weekend to all RunRev'ers wherever you may be!
Dave


>Hi Dave,
>
>I don't want to blame runRev guys too rudely: they got a false good idea :-)
>As a programmer, I have to confess that it can happen to me too...
>But, on the other hand, as a user of a commercial product named 
>Revolution, I expect more serious testing before any release...
>
>As Jim pointed it, my Objects Picker plugin works pretty well and, 
>as for layers management provides "arrows" buttons to reorganise 
>objects layers in a very convenient graphical way. You can even 
>change multiple objects layers (non contiguous if you wish it) in 
>one fell swoop and the list is of course immediately updated :-)
>
>Best Regards from Paris,
>
>Eric Chatonet.
>
>Le 15 juil. 05 ? 09:28, David Burgun a ?crit :
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>Well whoever allowed this to go into a production product need their
>>brains testing! Sorry but that's the plain truth of the matter. Talk
>>about shooting yourself in the foot! At the VERY VERY VERY least it
>>should be a Preference that is defaulted to off, and the caption of
>>this pref should read "Do you want to save a small amount of refresh
>>time but totally confuse yourself and make RunRev look as if it has
>>been programmed by idiots"
>>
>>Sorry for this Rant, and in general RunRev is a really cool tool and
>>I love using it, but I am really getting sick of stupid little IDE
>>bugs/features that cause me lots of wasted time.
>>
>>Take for example this particular refresh problem, is there ANYONE on
>>this list that would want this functionality? Who in their right mind
>>would sacrifice an up to date list view for a split-seconds worth of
>>refresh time?
>>
>>I was slighly upset when I thought it was a genuine bug that had
>>slipped in, now I know it was done deliberately I am FUMING!!!!! How
>>do I officially complain to RunRev about this?
>>
>>Eric, If you do work out a patch Stack I would be really grateful if
>>you would send me a copy.
>>
>>All the Best
>>Dave
>>
>>
>>>Hi Dave and Chris,
>>>
>>>To be precise, the problem came with Rev 2.5.1. (no problem with 2.5)
>>>In order to save time, runRev guys imagined to keep the current
>>>controls list into a cache and rebuild this list only when a control
>>>was deleted or added.
>>>So, you have just to open the script of the revApplicationOverview
>>>stack and search for the revControlList function and comment the
>>>following lines:
>>>
>>>  if the number of lines in lControlCache[pCard] is tNumControls
>>>  then return lControlCache[pCard]
>>>
>>>I have no time now but may be I shall find a couple of minutes to
>>>write a patch stack to morrow :-)
>>>
>>>Le 14 juil. 05 ? 15:17, David Burgun a ?crit :
>>>
>>>>How come when I change something in my stack, like the layer number
>>>>or the object name etc. It doesn't change in the App Browser Window?
>>>>I am running RunRev 2.6.5 build 108 on Mac OS X Tiger 10.4.2.
>>>>Does anyone else have this problem??
>>>>
>>>
>>>Copy to runRev support.
>>>
>>>Best Regards from Paris,
>>>
>>>Eric Chatonet.
>
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From dam-pro.girard at laposte.net  Fri Jul 15 05:39:01 2005
From: dam-pro.girard at laposte.net (Damien Girard)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:39:01 +0200
Subject: Revolution Bsd unix engine doesn't start
In-Reply-To: <8D2DC1E2-021C-418E-A30D-B5C1DB6F1AD0@mac.com>
References: <01B48D69-C97E-4E73-8D49-36720D29BF89@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<42D654EE.7080507@sover.net> <1121352048.2206.5.camel@White-Side>
	<42D6B263.605@hyperactivesw.com>
	<8D2DC1E2-021C-418E-A30D-B5C1DB6F1AD0@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1121420341.667.2.camel@White-Side>

Le Jeudi 14 juillet 2005 ? 15:57 -0300, Andre Garzia a ?crit :
> On Jul 14, 2005, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
> > On 7/14/05 9:40 AM, Damien Girard wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >> I am under FreeBSD 5.4, so I wan't to see if Runrev work under  
> >> Bsd, I am
> >> going to the Runtime Revolution website, I download the Bsd engine
> >> (2.2.1) and Revolution 2.6 (linux tgz).
> >> I uncompress all files, I open a terminal emulator, and I done that :
> >> ----
> >> damien at White-Side$ ./Bsd
> >> ----
> >> And nothing else is done, Runrev doesn't start.
> >> Runrev bug ?
> >> I have also tryed with Revolution.x86 (FreeBSD have Linux emulation
> >> binaries), and I have got this error :
> >> ----
> >> damien at White-Side$ ./revolution.x86
> >> ./revolution.x86: error while loading shared
> >> libraries: /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6: ELF file OS ABI invalid
> >>
> >
> > This happens with CGIs too in Apache if certain libraries are not  
> > installed. Even though this library isn't used much, Revolution  
> > requires it to be there. Install it and you should be fine.
> 
> if your trouble is with libGDK, there's a workaround setting a  
> enviroment variable. If it is about some other lib, then I don't have  
> a clue...
> 
> Andre
> 
I haven't got trouble with libGDK because the GTK+ Look and feel have
been included in Revolution 2.5 (not 2.2.1)

And what is these library that runrev require ?

Damien



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul 15 06:06:59 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:06:59 +0200
Subject: [ANN] Patch Stack for App Browser 2.5.1 and 2.6
Message-ID: <F95914CD-BDA2-4984-958A-C5296B7FC56F@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi all,

I you have followed the thread "App Browser Woes....." on this list,  
you know the facts:

> How come when I change something in my stack, like the layer number  
> or the object name etc. It doesn't change in the App Browser Window?

And my answer:

To be precise, the problem came in with Rev 2.5.1. (no problem with  
prior versions)
In order to save time, runRev guys imagined to keep the current  
controls list into a cache (good idea) and refresh this list only  
when a control is deleted or added (very bad idea).

Here is a patch stack to correct the devastating side effects ;-)
Just run the line below in the message box:

go url "http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/downloads/App%20Browser% 
20Patch.rev"

"In topic" and as a reminder, you will find below a short  
specification of my Objects Picker plugin you can download from my  
website:

Objects Picker makes it possible to edit properties and scripts in  
one click.
It also offers dozens of powerful functions like the graphical  
reorganization of layers or the moving of objects, copying and  
pasting of properties or styles, the incremental denomination of  
objects, the management of profiles, and improved script edition, the  
bookmarking of objects as well as other functions...
Objects Picker fits in well with Revolution IDE: it uses objects  
lists as in Rev Application Browser and uses the same shortcuts you  
specified for it as well it takes care of Revolution UI Elements In  
Lists preference.
In a word, Objects Picker uses contextual menus to perform varied  
(and what are sometimes boring :-) actions, all at once, with just  
one mouse-click, on multiple objects: features are derived directly  
from programming experience and will help you save a lot of time when  
you are developing.
Note that this heavy plugin (850 KB zip archive, 1.9 MB on disk) is  
the only one which is not free but you will get yours money's worth  
(? 12 :-)


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From ms1 at soas.ac.uk  Fri Jul 15 06:23:50 2005
From: ms1 at soas.ac.uk (Muaadh salih)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:23:50 +0100
Subject: funtions on windows
Message-ID: <a06200700befd3d71bda2@[195.195.177.148]>

My apology for the typos of yesterday message .
  Still upon further investigation  we found that  the following function:
-----------------

function plural count, textw
   if count <> 1 then put "s" after textw
   if count = 0 then put "no" into count
   return  count && textw
end plural
-------------------
   works perfectly on Rev 2.6 on Mac G4 with OSX 10.3.9. However it 
does not work on Rev. 2.6 on Windows XP ( when called : Plural ( 3, 
"Book") it returns  ( 3 s) only
again is this a bug on the XP version ?!

any idea ?


Muaadh Salih
ms1 at soas.ac.uk
-- 



All the best



Muaadh Salih
SOAS
Department of Near & Middle Eastern Studies
Tel . +44 (0)2078984354

From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul 15 06:33:29 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:33:29 +0200
Subject: funtions on windows
In-Reply-To: <a06200700befd3d71bda2@[195.195.177.148]>
References: <a06200700befd3d71bda2@[195.195.177.148]>
Message-ID: <D834A188-C977-42BE-8AD0-14327F2C63BA@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Muaadh,

No time to test on Win XP but just a thought: avoid unnecessary  
spaces in your formulations:
You write Plural ( 3, "Book"). Try Plural (3,"Book")

Le 15 juil. 05 ? 12:23, Muaadh salih a ?crit :

> My apology for the typos of yesterday message .
>  Still upon further investigation  we found that  the following  
> function:
> -----------------
>
> function plural count, textw
>   if count <> 1 then put "s" after textw
>   if count = 0 then put "no" into count
>   return  count && textw
> end plural
> -------------------
>   works perfectly on Rev 2.6 on Mac G4 with OSX 10.3.9. However it  
> does not work on Rev. 2.6 on Windows XP ( when called : Plural ( 3,  
> "Book") it returns  ( 3 s) only
> again is this a bug on the XP version ?!


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Jul 15 07:03:05 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:03:05 +0100
Subject: funtions on windows
In-Reply-To: <a06200700befd3d71bda2@[195.195.177.148]>
References: <a06200700befd3d71bda2@[195.195.177.148]>
Message-ID: <42D797E9.50004@tweedly.net>

Muaadh salih wrote:

> My apology for the typos of yesterday message .
>  Still upon further investigation  we found that  the following function:
> -----------------
>
> function plural count, textw
>   if count <> 1 then put "s" after textw
>   if count = 0 then put "no" into count
>   return  count && textw
> end plural
> -------------------
>   works perfectly on Rev 2.6 on Mac G4 with OSX 10.3.9. However it 
> does not work on Rev. 2.6 on Windows XP ( when called : Plural ( 3, 
> "Book") it returns  ( 3 s) only
> again is this a bug on the XP version ?!

I created a new Mainstack, created a button, copied the above lines from 
your email, pasted them into the button script - and it works just fine. 
2.6 on Win XP

If it were me, I'd add
   "put param(1) && param(2) & cr  after msg" in as the first line of 
the function
   "put textw & cr after msg"   immediately before and immediately after 
the line that should change textw

and then see what I learn.  (or, as I said off-list, send me a copy of 
the stack - but be sure to send it from the Windows machine in case 
there was some problem copying the script from the Mac to the PC - line 
endings etc.).

-- 
Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net



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From jbondy at sover.net  Fri Jul 15 07:09:18 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 07:09:18 -0400
Subject: Quartam Reports, day late, dime short
In-Reply-To: <ca09b1a745ae735d1392af0158b9d24f@qldlearning.com>
References: <1da.40015fb9.30087d17@aol.com>
	<ca09b1a745ae735d1392af0158b9d24f@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <42D7995E.1030304@sover.net>

Brian:

I know nothing about this situation, other than what I read in the past 
day or two, but it seems to me that, tone aside, some of what Paul is 
saying IS professional.  He explained to Jan specifically what his 
customers needed, and hoped that Jan had listened.  As to "trite remarks 
about ... missed deadlines", I'm not so sure that such remarks, if 
they're true, are trite.  Explaining to the rest of us that a particular 
developer may not meet announced deadlines, while depressing, is 
actually useful to "professional" programmers who need to plan their 
schedules carefully.

I know nothing about Jan or the product, but sometimes the knee jerk 
reaction on this list is "if you don't have something nice to say, don't 
say anything".  I'm not sure that is really in anyone's best interest.

That said, I too hope that this product does well.

Jon


Brian Yennie wrote:

> Paul,
>
> Saying you don't mean to be disrespectful doesn't make it so. Flaming 
> Jan repeatedly on-list immediately after a product release is quite 
> disrespectful.
>
> Here's a suggestion. Make a feature request. Buy a copy of Quartam to 
> support development. See if lots of other Rev users also want the 
> feature. Watch it get implemented.
>
> Please be finished with the trite remarks about frosting on cakes, 
> missed deadlines and your individual needs, and try a professional 
> approach. Otherwise you are more than likely just going to be tuned out.
>
> - Brian
>
>> Jan,
>>      I don't mean to be disrespectful but you have delivered the 
>> frosting
>> without the cake.
>>
>>      Quartam Reports does a lot of things we don't need:
>> - data fields using everyday Transcript expressions
>> - data groups with separate header and footer
>> - flexible formatting options
>> - aggregate functions without a line of code
>> - support for printing conditions, color and inks
>> - simplified printing commands for stacks, database
>> cursors and automated queries
>> - an advanced callback architecture that lets you
>> combine data from multiple sources
>>
>>      and does not deliver what we do need:
>> - the ability to take information stored in a Revolution stack and 
>> print it
>> in standard business format.
>>
>>      Did anyone actually ask for the Quartam feature set? Did anyone 
>> beta
>> test QR?
>>
>>      You always tend to dismiss 9 to 5 Reports, but the fact is "they 
>> got it
>> right".   Reports with HyperCard is a powerful business tool. That's 
>> why I
>> invested the time in showing it to you, explaining what it meant to 
>> my business
>> users, urging you to incorporate its basic functionality. We have all 
>> waited a
>> long time for a Revolution solution. Based on missed deadlines to 
>> date, I am
>> not optimistic about QR v 1.1 shipping in any sort of timely manner ;-)
>>
>>      I am extremely disappointed.
>> Paul Looney
>>
>> PS Are you saying definitively that v 1.1, if it ever ships, WILL 
>> support
>> scrolling fields - and be a free upgrade?
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From tkuypers at pandora.be  Fri Jul 15 07:10:18 2005
From: tkuypers at pandora.be (Ton Kuypers)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:10:18 +0200
Subject: Quickly find out if database is available
Message-ID: <B9F71C53-617B-4186-A477-7BAB833CED2C@pandora.be>

Hi,

Is there a way to find out if there is a mySQL database on a specific  
ip-address?

The question seems strange, but the reason is obvious: I have a mySQL  
database running on 2 servers and if the primary is not running, I  
need to switch to the second one.
I can try to open a connection to the first one and on failure try to  
open the second one, but due to the timeout of this "try to connect"  
action, this takes to long.

I need to to do this using OS9, OSx and Windows application...


Warm regards,


Ton Kuypers
Digital Media Partners bvba
Tel. +32 (0)477 / 739 530
Fax +32 (0)14 / 71 03 04
http://www.dmp-int.com




From ptrendler at bigpond.com  Fri Jul 15 08:25:20 2005
From: ptrendler at bigpond.com (Pat Trendler)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:25:20 +1000
Subject: funtions on windows
References: <a06200700befd3d71bda2@[195.195.177.148]>
Message-ID: <007801c58938$45e533f0$0100000a@super>

I've just tried you script on Win XP Pro Rev 2.6. It returns the correct 
answer.
Plural (3, "Book") returns: 3 Books.
Plural (0, "Book") returns: no Books.
Plural (1, "Book") returns: 1 Book

Doesn't seem like a bug in Win XP

Pat
patrend at bigpond.com


>
> function plural count, textw
>   if count <> 1 then put "s" after textw
>   if count = 0 then put "no" into count
>   return  count && textw
> end plural
> -------------------
>   works perfectly on Rev 2.6 on Mac G4 with OSX 10.3.9. However it does 
> not work on Rev. 2.6 on Windows XP ( when called : Plural ( 3, "Book") it 
> returns  ( 3 s) only
> again is this a bug on the XP version ?!
>
> any idea ?
>
>
> Muaadh Salih
> ms1 at soas.ac.uk
> -- 
>
>
>
> All the best
>
>
>
> Muaadh Salih
> SOAS
> Department of Near & Middle Eastern Studies
> Tel . +44 (0)2078984354
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From YourSignup at Yahoo.com  Fri Jul 15 08:30:05 2005
From: YourSignup at Yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 02:30:05 -1000
Subject: Third party Patch Manager
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLMEBAHJAA.YourSignup@Yahoo.com>

Anyone out there have a *Third party patch manager stack?*

By this I mean, I've applied some patches provided by Chipp and Eric and
maybe others. I forget exactly, and this is my point. For example, I'm still
running 2.51 and *trying* to get to 2.6. I say trying, because my 2.51 key
didn't unlock 2.6 and I've requested another key, but haven't gotten it
yet - but that's another story.

The point is, I know that 2.6 will require some of the same patches applied
as 2.51. However, it may not need others, and I may not remember exactly
what patches I applied prior, that need to be applied to the newer version
(until, I suppose, a problem occurs and I remember I have a patch for that,
although I probably won't remember who wrote it, and where I got it from).

It would be nice, if when I apply a patch, I could drag it to a Patch
Manager stack that, when I upgrade to newer versions, would show all
previously applied patches with checkboxes, and I could choose to apply the
patch or not. Maybe a date of when the patch was applied (dragged into the
manager), so I can remember what version I applied the patch to.

Otherwise, I can see myself hesitating to upgrade and cut over to a newer
*official* version of Rev.

A MUCH BETTER alternative (hint, hint) to this would be for Rev, itself, to
maintain a Third Party Patches web page for developers, where developers
could post their patches (instead of their individual WebPages) and Rev
could edit the descriptions and categorize them by version number, as being
applicable to a version.

For example the recent app browser fix from Eric might be classified as:
Applies to versions 2.51 to 2.6xx ONLY. Prior versions do not require this
patch, and as of version 2.6yy, it's no longer applicable, as we took the
silly if...then statement out ourselves. (OK, put a period after the word
*applicable*).

This would take some of the *fear* out of upgrading and in the long run make
Rev more money...

Jim


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul 15 09:15:24 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:15:24 +0200
Subject: Third party Patch Manager
In-Reply-To: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLMEBAHJAA.YourSignup@Yahoo.com>
References: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLMEBAHJAA.YourSignup@Yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <036FF59E-96F7-41CC-8851-7E20C9A3FADE@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Jim,

Your idea is a good idea, but is it to us to make for free Rev job  
that they asked us to pay for?
;-)
As for the patches I write:

. They test the running version in order to tell if the patch is  
applicable.
. They test if the patch has been already applied or not.
. They save the current stack as <stack name old> in order to let the  
user reverse the process if needed.
. They apply the patch only when all conditions have been filled.

Can I do more?

Finally, a *Third party patch manager* makes me feel weird...

Le 15 juil. 05 ? 14:30, Jim Bufalini a ?crit :

> Anyone out there have a *Third party patch manager stack?*
>
> By this I mean, I've applied some patches provided by Chipp and  
> Eric and
> maybe others. I forget exactly, and this is my point. For example,  
> I'm still
> running 2.51 and *trying* to get to 2.6. I say trying, because my  
> 2.51 key
> didn't unlock 2.6 and I've requested another key, but haven't  
> gotten it
> yet - but that's another story.
>
> The point is, I know that 2.6 will require some of the same patches  
> applied
> as 2.51. However, it may not need others, and I may not remember  
> exactly
> what patches I applied prior, that need to be applied to the newer  
> version
> (until, I suppose, a problem occurs and I remember I have a patch  
> for that,
> although I probably won't remember who wrote it, and where I got it  
> from).
>
> It would be nice, if when I apply a patch, I could drag it to a Patch
> Manager stack that, when I upgrade to newer versions, would show all
> previously applied patches with checkboxes, and I could choose to  
> apply the
> patch or not. Maybe a date of when the patch was applied (dragged  
> into the
> manager), so I can remember what version I applied the patch to.
>
> Otherwise, I can see myself hesitating to upgrade and cut over to a  
> newer
> *official* version of Rev.
>
> A MUCH BETTER alternative (hint, hint) to this would be for Rev,  
> itself, to
> maintain a Third Party Patches web page for developers, where  
> developers
> could post their patches (instead of their individual WebPages) and  
> Rev
> could edit the descriptions and categorize them by version number,  
> as being
> applicable to a version.
>
> For example the recent app browser fix from Eric might be  
> classified as:
> Applies to versions 2.51 to 2.6xx ONLY. Prior versions do not  
> require this
> patch, and as of version 2.6yy, it's no longer applicable, as we  
> took the
> silly if...then statement out ourselves. (OK, put a period after  
> the word
> *applicable*).
>
> This would take some of the *fear* out of upgrading and in the long  
> run make
> Rev more money...

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Fri Jul 15 09:15:52 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:15:52 -0400
Subject: Quartam Reports, day late, dime short
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A99680A0@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

Hi Jan...

If you need a script for properly printing a scrolling field, I have
such a thing. I'd be happy to share it with you, if it would help you.
It probably would not be too difficult to incorporate into your larger
printing scripts.

Cheers,

Jonathan

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jan
Schenkel
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 1:39 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Quartam Reports, day late, dime short

--- SimPLsol at aol.com wrote:
> Jan,
>      I don't mean to be disrespectful but you have
> delivered the frosting 
> without the cake.
> 
>      Quartam Reports does a lot of things we don't
> need:
> - data fields using everyday Transcript expressions
> - data groups with separate header and footer
> - flexible formatting options
> - aggregate functions without a line of code
> - support for printing conditions, color and inks
> - simplified printing commands for stacks, database
> cursors and automated queries
> - an advanced callback architecture that lets you
> combine data from multiple sources
> 
>      and does not deliver what we do need:
> - the ability to take information stored in a
> Revolution stack and print it 
> in standard business format.
> 
>      Did anyone actually ask for the Quartam feature
> set? Did anyone beta 
> test QR?
> 
>      You always tend to dismiss 9 to 5 Reports, but
> the fact is "they got it 
> right".   Reports with HyperCard is a powerful
> business tool. That's why I 
> invested the time in showing it to you, explaining
> what it meant to my business 
> users, urging you to incorporate its basic
> functionality. We have all waited a 
> long time for a Revolution solution. Based on missed
> deadlines to date, I am 
> not optimistic about QR v 1.1 shipping in any sort
> of timely manner ;-)   
> 
>      I am extremely disappointed.
> Paul Looney
> 
> PS Are you saying definitively that v 1.1, if it
> ever ships, WILL support 
> scrolling fields - and be a free upgrade?
> 

Hi Paul,

As stated in my previous email, version 1.0, when it
ships, WILL support scrolling fields - and be a free
upgrade.

I meant no disrespect towards 9-to-5 Reports: it is a
tremendous tool that made HyperCard a viable solution
for building business applications.

But there are more ways to store data than in stacks.
There are databases, xml-files and all the other
places that I mentioned before. I felt these were
important itms to integrate with.

Incidentally, you can easily take data from a stack
and print it in a report. A simplified command for
this allows you to script a printing button:
--
  qrtReports_PrintReportForStack \
     <layout filepath>,<stack name>,<preview flag>
--

And then the report printing library will do the heavy
lifting by itself, going through your stack one card
at a time, and filling the report.
An optional fourth parameter lets you specify a range:
all (default), marked, unmarked or an MS-Word style
range (think "1-7,9,14" to print the data on cards 1
through 7, card 9 and card 14)

Quartam Reports was in public beta from the end of
April, and while I primarily looked at what I expected
from a report tool, I did ask for feedback from public
and private beta testers.
They have provided me with ideas for years to come.
But while scrolling fields are high on every wish
list, all you need to print reports is there, and
more.

I have most certainly not forgotten the great demo you
showed me at MacWorld last year. But I can't help but
be reminded of the paradox of software development:
users want it shipped yesterday, packing features they
haven't even thought they needed tomorrow, while never
needing an upgrade.
Now there's a challenge for a developer -- maybe I
should get Jacque to send me a beta of her time warp
stacks ;-)

Best regards,

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam - Tools for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

=====
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From bvg at mac.com  Fri Jul 15 10:08:51 2005
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:08:51 +0200
Subject: Quartam Reports, day late, dime short
In-Reply-To: <42D7995E.1030304@sover.net>
References: <1da.40015fb9.30087d17@aol.com>
	<ca09b1a745ae735d1392af0158b9d24f@qldlearning.com>
	<42D7995E.1030304@sover.net>
Message-ID: <afb789659eb4c8c3b1188470c14ceb4e@mac.com>


On Jul 15 2005, at 13:09, Jon wrote:

> I know nothing about Jan or the product, but sometimes the knee jerk 
> reaction on this list is "if you don't have something nice to say, 
> don't say anything".  I'm not sure that is really in anyone's best 
> interest.

Hi Jon

I think that people object not to the content of the raised comments, 
but to the tone of them (at least that was my reaction). Simply saying 
"Why didn't you incorporate feature..." instead of "I demand a 
feature..." goes a long way towards a nice and cool atmosphere on a 
list.

greetings
Bj?rnke


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From yoursignup at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 15 10:17:19 2005
From: yoursignup at yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 04:17:19 -1000
Subject: Third party Patch Manager
In-Reply-To: <036FF59E-96F7-41CC-8851-7E20C9A3FADE@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLEEBCHJAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>

Eric,

The idea is: You upload your patch to some Rev WebPage, ,just as you would
upload it to your own Website or to RevOnline, or to your own user space.
Initially, it shows up as *Not reviewed, use at your own risk.* List users
(i.e. developers - please don't limit to some financial consideration - as
in, did you buy our latest update pack, with such and such included?), at
that point, can choose to download the patch, and apply it, just as they do
now.

The only difference is, when someone at Runrev gets around to it, they look
at your patch and add commentary. The advantage is, all the Third Party
patches are in *one* place! And, it gives  Rev the convenience of reviewing
all Third Party Patches in *one* place. And, it gives developers *one* place
to go to find all the Third Party patches and determine what they need to
*apply* to do upgrade to a new version.

Fear of loss is a major motivating factor. If someone fears they may loose
something, even minor, by upgrading, they won't do it.

You don't need to *do more.* It's actually a *do less,* as I see that many
messages on the list server are to the effect of, *Where can I find...?*

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of Eric
Chatonet
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 3:15 AM
To: YourSignup at Yahoo.com; How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Third party Patch Manager


Hi Jim,

Your idea is a good idea, but is it to us to make for free Rev job
that they asked us to pay for?
;-)
As for the patches I write:

. They test the running version in order to tell if the patch is
applicable.
. They test if the patch has been already applied or not.
. They save the current stack as <stack name old> in order to let the
user reverse the process if needed.
. They apply the patch only when all conditions have been filled.

Can I do more?

Finally, a *Third party patch manager* makes me feel weird...

Le 15 juil. 05 ? 14:30, Jim Bufalini a ?crit :

> Anyone out there have a *Third party patch manager stack?*
>
> By this I mean, I've applied some patches provided by Chipp and
> Eric and
> maybe others. I forget exactly, and this is my point. For example,
> I'm still
> running 2.51 and *trying* to get to 2.6. I say trying, because my
> 2.51 key
> didn't unlock 2.6 and I've requested another key, but haven't
> gotten it
> yet - but that's another story.
>
> The point is, I know that 2.6 will require some of the same patches
> applied
> as 2.51. However, it may not need others, and I may not remember
> exactly
> what patches I applied prior, that need to be applied to the newer
> version
> (until, I suppose, a problem occurs and I remember I have a patch
> for that,
> although I probably won't remember who wrote it, and where I got it
> from).
>
> It would be nice, if when I apply a patch, I could drag it to a Patch
> Manager stack that, when I upgrade to newer versions, would show all
> previously applied patches with checkboxes, and I could choose to
> apply the
> patch or not. Maybe a date of when the patch was applied (dragged
> into the
> manager), so I can remember what version I applied the patch to.
>
> Otherwise, I can see myself hesitating to upgrade and cut over to a
> newer
> *official* version of Rev.
>
> A MUCH BETTER alternative (hint, hint) to this would be for Rev,
> itself, to
> maintain a Third Party Patches web page for developers, where
> developers
> could post their patches (instead of their individual WebPages) and
> Rev
> could edit the descriptions and categorize them by version number,
> as being
> applicable to a version.
>
> For example the recent app browser fix from Eric might be
> classified as:
> Applies to versions 2.51 to 2.6xx ONLY. Prior versions do not
> require this
> patch, and as of version 2.6yy, it's no longer applicable, as we
> took the
> silly if...then statement out ourselves. (OK, put a period after
> the word
> *applicable*).
>
> This would take some of the *fear* out of upgrading and in the long
> run make
> Rev more money...

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From see3d at writeme.com  Fri Jul 15 10:22:22 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:22:22 -0400
Subject: [ANN][EN][FR] New Sophisticated Plugin from So Smart Software
In-Reply-To: <329B94CB-5569-4004-BEA0-29E1AB7BE7C0@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <01B48D69-C97E-4E73-8D49-36720D29BF89@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<22F68C53-3920-4E60-8D95-0C1D23EECE08@charter.net>
	<329B94CB-5569-4004-BEA0-29E1AB7BE7C0@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <1747301A-B12E-47F7-90B9-4D9865BEBB44@writeme.com>

Eric,

Perhaps a check mark for each resource to search with a search all  
selected resources button would solve both problems.  Then the user  
can decide if he want to do a long search and go get some coffee, or  
just search all the easy places now.

Dennis

On Jul 15, 2005, at 2:14 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> Thanks for the kind words :-)
> Thanks for the feedback too: comments and requests are very  
> important and useful.
>
> At the moment, there is no option to get all the results in one  
> fell swoop.
> I did not provide such a feature since searching in deeper mode can  
> be a bit long:
> FAQ: 479 xml files
> Dictionary: 1497 xml files
> Topics: 17 xml files
> Recipes: 55 cards
>
> And one of my ergonomic goals was to *appear* much faster than the  
> docs itself :-)
> Letting the user beginning to read the more relevant results  
> (always at top) while the search goes on.
> On the other hand, there would be no technical problem to add a  
> Search All menu item.
> So such an enhancement could appear in the next version ;-)
>
> Le 15 juil. 05 ? 01:00, Mark Swindell a ?crit :
>
>
>> Eric,
>> Very nice!  Is there an option to get ALL the results in one fell  
>> swoop?  (i.e. the FAQ, Dictionary, Topics, Cookbook all at once  
>> without having to choose each and re-search?)
>>


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul 15 10:33:23 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:33:23 +0200
Subject: [ANN][EN][FR] New Sophisticated Plugin from So Smart Software
In-Reply-To: <1747301A-B12E-47F7-90B9-4D9865BEBB44@writeme.com>
References: <01B48D69-C97E-4E73-8D49-36720D29BF89@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<22F68C53-3920-4E60-8D95-0C1D23EECE08@charter.net>
	<329B94CB-5569-4004-BEA0-29E1AB7BE7C0@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<1747301A-B12E-47F7-90B9-4D9865BEBB44@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <CA99626D-A71E-49FC-AF3B-7225AC666DD6@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Dennis,

Good idea.
Thanks.
We have to wait for version 1.1 ;-)

I take the opportunity to tell how much are important all ideas and  
feedback from advanced users or beginners too.
I don't make these tools for me...
So all comments which can help me to improve the job are welcome.
Nevertheless don't be too rude ;-)

Le 15 juil. 05 ? 16:22, Dennis Brown a ?crit :

> Perhaps a check mark for each resource to search with a search all  
> selected resources button would solve both problems.  Then the user  
> can decide if he want to do a long search and go get some coffee,  
> or just search all the easy places now.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From b.xavier at internet.lu  Fri Jul 15 10:43:45 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:43:45 +0200
Subject: Snap To
Message-ID: <20050715143551.AAE1E824DFF@mail.runrev.com>

Hi revvers!
 
Im wondering if anyone has a snap-to point script or algorithm they might
want to share. Doesn't need to be a script but i would prefer a
proven-working model or concept. 
 
I made a few test but none seem to work as i would like to... It's meant for
window resizing and moving...
 
cheers
Xavier


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul 15 10:45:01 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:45:01 +0200
Subject: Third party Patch Manager
In-Reply-To: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLEEBCHJAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
References: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLEEBCHJAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FE2A668D-9573-4345-A6F5-88ED4D537550@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi again Jim,

I think the users and not the patches providers may ask runRev in  
order to obtain such a thing :-)
I think it would be useful for the community.
I think it would be courageous from runRev to accept it.

Le 15 juil. 05 ? 16:17, Jim Bufalini a ?crit :

> The idea is: You upload your patch to some Rev WebPage, ,just as  
> you would
> upload it to your own Website or to RevOnline, or to your own user  
> space.
> Initially, it shows up as *Not reviewed, use at your own risk.*  
> List users
> (i.e. developers - please don't limit to some financial  
> consideration - as
> in, did you buy our latest update pack, with such and such  
> included?), at
> that point, can choose to download the patch, and apply it, just as  
> they do
> now.
>
> The only difference is, when someone at Runrev gets around to it,  
> they look
> at your patch and add commentary. The advantage is, all the Third  
> Party
> patches are in *one* place! And, it gives  Rev the convenience of  
> reviewing
> all Third Party Patches in *one* place. And, it gives developers  
> *one* place
> to go to find all the Third Party patches and determine what they  
> need to
> *apply* to do upgrade to a new version.
>
> Fear of loss is a major motivating factor. If someone fears they  
> may loose
> something, even minor, by upgrading, they won't do it.
>
> You don't need to *do more.* It's actually a *do less,* as I see  
> that many
> messages on the list server are to the effect of, *Where can I  
> find...?*

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From jhurley at infostations.com  Fri Jul 15 11:18:41 2005
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 08:18:41 -0700
Subject: arcadeEngine
In-Reply-To: <20050715002743.0F46F824FB1@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050715002743.0F46F824FB1@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p06200701befd8318f23a@[69.85.158.92]>

Malte,

Congratulations on arcadeEngine. Looks like lots of fun--and a lot of work.

Does it included changes in the engine specific to your routines? If 
so, are they specific to Dreamcard, or will they be available in 
future releases of Studio and Enterprise?

Jim


From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Jul 15 11:20:53 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:20:53 +0100
Subject: Third party Patch Manager
In-Reply-To: <FE2A668D-9573-4345-A6F5-88ED4D537550@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLEEBCHJAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
	<FE2A668D-9573-4345-A6F5-88ED4D537550@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <42D7D455.401@tweedly.net>

Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi again Jim,
>
> I think the users and not the patches providers may ask runRev in  
> order to obtain such a thing :-)
> I think it would be useful for the community.
> I think it would be courageous from runRev to accept it.
>
If I was RunRev, I wouldn't be that courageous :-)  And, to be honest, 
I'd rather that RunRev kept their efforts for the things that we, the 
community, can't do ..... and organizing a list of known patches is 
something we can do.

I think we could satisfy the needs with a scheme like the following :

Someone hosts a site that collects a list of known patches. (I'll 
happily volunteer to do this,  it's about time I used some of my web 
space for something useful - though in some ways it would be better if 
it were hosted by one of the already well-known sites like Ken or 
Richard (or revJournal ??))

The list consists of, for each patch,
 author, date, URL for the patch, description, version it was written 
for, Bugzilla number, fixed-in version

Note the most important part of that is the Bugzilla number - either of 
a bug report or enhancement request. This ensures that RunRev are aware 
of the need (desire) for a change, and provides a reliable mechanism to 
verify whether the feature (or fix) has been incorporated into a later 
release.  The "fixed-in version" can be filled in later, based on the 
changes in the BZ database when a new release comes out.

The list of patches could be accessed via web browser, or via a small 
stack (again, I'll write this if there is interest .... but I won't be 
doing that until mid-August onwards). The stack would pick up any 
updates from the URL, allow the user to mark which patches she has 
applied to which version on which machines, etc.

So at any time you could go run this stack, and determine if there are 
patches you'll need to apply to a new version, or whether there are new 
patches.

The quality of the patches would be entirely up to the author of any 
patch - no judgment to be applied by the list-holder.

The patches remain on the author's own web-site - and hence can be 
withdrawn, updated, or otherwise changed. Optionally, they could also be 
uploaded to the patch-list site, e.g. if the author didn't have web 
space available.



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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul 15 11:27:30 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:27:30 +0200
Subject: Third party Patch Manager
In-Reply-To: <42D7D455.401@tweedly.net>
References: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLEEBCHJAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
	<FE2A668D-9573-4345-A6F5-88ED4D537550@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<42D7D455.401@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <90BEB2B5-B9C9-47FA-B64E-D3E3DECEC3FC@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Alex,

Sounds good.
On the other hand, you are really mature to join the revInterop (Rev  
Interoperability) project :-)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revInterop

Le 15 juil. 05 ? 17:20, Alex Tweedly a ?crit :

> Eric Chatonet wrote:
>
>
>> Hi again Jim,
>>
>> I think the users and not the patches providers may ask runRev in   
>> order to obtain such a thing :-)
>> I think it would be useful for the community.
>> I think it would be courageous from runRev to accept it.
>>
>>
> If I was RunRev, I wouldn't be that courageous :-)  And, to be  
> honest, I'd rather that RunRev kept their efforts for the things  
> that we, the community, can't do ..... and organizing a list of  
> known patches is something we can do.
>
> I think we could satisfy the needs with a scheme like the following :
>
> Someone hosts a site that collects a list of known patches. (I'll  
> happily volunteer to do this,  it's about time I used some of my  
> web space for something useful - though in some ways it would be  
> better if it were hosted by one of the already well-known sites  
> like Ken or Richard (or revJournal ??))
>
> The list consists of, for each patch,
> author, date, URL for the patch, description, version it was  
> written for, Bugzilla number, fixed-in version
>
> Note the most important part of that is the Bugzilla number -  
> either of a bug report or enhancement request. This ensures that  
> RunRev are aware of the need (desire) for a change, and provides a  
> reliable mechanism to verify whether the feature (or fix) has been  
> incorporated into a later release.  The "fixed-in version" can be  
> filled in later, based on the changes in the BZ database when a new  
> release comes out.
>
> The list of patches could be accessed via web browser, or via a  
> small stack (again, I'll write this if there is interest .... but I  
> won't be doing that until mid-August onwards). The stack would pick  
> up any updates from the URL, allow the user to mark which patches  
> she has applied to which version on which machines, etc.
>
> So at any time you could go run this stack, and determine if there  
> are patches you'll need to apply to a new version, or whether there  
> are new patches.
>
> The quality of the patches would be entirely up to the author of  
> any patch - no judgment to be applied by the list-holder.
>
> The patches remain on the author's own web-site - and hence can be  
> withdrawn, updated, or otherwise changed. Optionally, they could  
> also be uploaded to the patch-list site, e.g. if the author didn't  
> have web space available.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From see3d at writeme.com  Fri Jul 15 11:58:46 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:58:46 -0400
Subject: Third party Patch Manager
In-Reply-To: <42D7D455.401@tweedly.net>
References: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLEEBCHJAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
	<FE2A668D-9573-4345-A6F5-88ED4D537550@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<42D7D455.401@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <94634F83-2593-4E8F-BB51-D624A3C261DF@writeme.com>

Alex,

Very good idea, and well put!
Where did you get that brain of yours?
Do you have a URL where I can download one like it?
Perhaps I could just download a patch for mine :^)

Dennis

On Jul 15, 2005, at 11:20 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> I think we could satisfy the needs with a scheme like the following :
>
> Someone hosts a site that collects a list of known patches. (I'll  
> happily volunteer to do this,  it's about time I used some of my  
> web space for something useful - though in some ways it would be  
> better if it were hosted by one of the already well-known sites  
> like Ken or Richard (or revJournal ??))
>
> The list consists of, for each patch,
> author, date, URL for the patch, description, version it was  
> written for, Bugzilla number, fixed-in version
>
> Note the most important part of that is the Bugzilla number -  
> either of a bug report or enhancement request. This ensures that  
> RunRev are aware of the need (desire) for a change, and provides a  
> reliable mechanism to verify whether the feature (or fix) has been  
> incorporated into a later release.  The "fixed-in version" can be  
> filled in later, based on the changes in the BZ database when a new  
> release comes out.
>
> The list of patches could be accessed via web browser, or via a  
> small stack (again, I'll write this if there is interest .... but I  
> won't be doing that until mid-August onwards). The stack would pick  
> up any updates from the URL, allow the user to mark which patches  
> she has applied to which version on which machines, etc.
>
> So at any time you could go run this stack, and determine if there  
> are patches you'll need to apply to a new version, or whether there  
> are new patches.
>
> The quality of the patches would be entirely up to the author of  
> any patch - no judgment to be applied by the list-holder.
>
> The patches remain on the author's own web-site - and hence can be  
> withdrawn, updated, or otherwise changed. Optionally, they could  
> also be uploaded to the patch-list site, e.g. if the author didn't  
> have web space available.



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Jul 15 12:22:40 2005
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:22:40 -0600
Subject: [ANN] Patch Stack for App Browser 2.5.1 and 2.6
In-Reply-To: <F95914CD-BDA2-4984-958A-C5296B7FC56F@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <F95914CD-BDA2-4984-958A-C5296B7FC56F@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <FC99745F-8B4E-418E-8F3A-2A8863BD7FE8@byu.edu>

Eric,

Have you posted this problem as a bug fix or feature request on  
Bugzilla?

Devin

On Jul 15, 2005, at 4:06 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I you have followed the thread "App Browser Woes....." on this  
> list, you know the facts:
>
>
>> How come when I change something in my stack, like the layer  
>> number or the object name etc. It doesn't change in the App  
>> Browser Window?
>>
>
> And my answer:
>
> To be precise, the problem came in with Rev 2.5.1. (no problem with  
> prior versions)
> In order to save time, runRev guys imagined to keep the current  
> controls list into a cache (good idea) and refresh this list only  
> when a control is deleted or added (very bad idea).
>
> Here is a patch stack to correct the devastating side effects ;-)
> Just run the line below in the message box:
>
> go url "http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/downloads/App%20Browser% 
> 20Patch.rev"
>
> "In topic" and as a reminder, you will find below a short  
> specification of my Objects Picker plugin you can download from my  
> website:
>
> Objects Picker makes it possible to edit properties and scripts in  
> one click.
> It also offers dozens of powerful functions like the graphical  
> reorganization of layers or the moving of objects, copying and  
> pasting of properties or styles, the incremental denomination of  
> objects, the management of profiles, and improved script edition,  
> the bookmarking of objects as well as other functions...
> Objects Picker fits in well with Revolution IDE: it uses objects  
> lists as in Rev Application Browser and uses the same shortcuts you  
> specified for it as well it takes care of Revolution UI Elements In  
> Lists preference.
> In a word, Objects Picker uses contextual menus to perform varied  
> (and what are sometimes boring :-) actions, all at once, with just  
> one mouse-click, on multiple objects: features are derived directly  
> from programming experience and will help you save a lot of time  
> when you are developing.
> Note that this heavy plugin (850 KB zip archive, 1.9 MB on disk) is  
> the only one which is not free but you will get yours money's worth  
> (? 12 :-)

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Fri Jul 15 12:23:38 2005
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:23:38 +0200
Subject: [ANN][EN][FR] New Sophisticated Plugin from So Smart
Message-ID: <42D7E30A.70802@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

Mark Swindell <mdswindell at charter.net> (14 Jul ) wrote:

> Eric,
> Very nice!  Is there an option to get ALL the results in one fell  
> swoop?  (i.e. the FAQ, Dictionary, Topics, Cookbook all at once  
> without having to choose each and re-search?)
> Mark


Eric Chatonet wrote:

> (snip)
> I did not provide such a feature since searching in deeper mode can be 
> a bit long:
> FAQ: 479 xml files
> Dictionary: 1497 xml files
> Topics: 17 xml files
> Recipes: 55 cards
> And one of my ergonomic goals was to *appear* much faster than the 
> docs itself Letting the user beginning to read the more relevant 
> results (always at top) while the search goes on.


Dennis Brown <see3d at writeme.com> (Jul 15) wrote:

> Perhaps a check mark for each resource to search with a search all  
> selected resources button would solve both problems.  Then the user  
> can decide if he want to do a long search and go get some coffee, or  
> just search all the easy places now.
>
> Dennis


and Eric Chatonet <eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com> (July 15) wrote:

> Hi Dennis,
>
> Good idea.
> Thanks.
> We have to wait for version 1.1
>
> I take the opportunity to tell how much are important all ideas and  
> feedback from advanced users or beginners too.
> I don't make these tools for me...
> So all comments which can help me to improve the job are welcome.
> Nevertheless don't be too rude.



Hi Eric.

I appreciate your open-mindedness and your valuable contributions to the 
Rev community.

Hope I am not too "rude" when I direct your attention to my "SearchDocs" 
stack.

This documentation search stack indeed allows simultaneous searches (as 
an option) of Dictionary, Faqs, and Topics - the Cookbook is not included.
Search time through the about 2000 XML-files takes an average of 200 
milliseconds, so there is no need "to get some coffee" while having to wait.
This search time includes displaying all found lines with the 
searchstrings colored (as in your plugin) and providing full links to 
the involved XML files at the same time (so you can instantaneously view 
the found lines in full context).

I did a test search with your and my tool seaching the Dictionary for 
the term "abbreviated". The results differ, because you might apply a 
different search algorithm?

Result for the "Resource Picker":

"3 related entries found" (containing 32 lines according to my count)

Result for "Searchdocs XML 2.6":

"43 found lines in 17 XML-files"

Different versions of my "Searchdocs XML" can be found and downloaded 
from <http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>, page "Samples and Tools for 
Development" or "Screenshots" (with commentaries and screenshots).

Direct download of the latest version for Rev 2.6 is
<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia/Software/SearchDocsXML26-Rev.zip>.

All versions have an update button to adapt to new Rev versions and 
changes of the XML-files.

Regards,

Wilhelm Sanke




From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Jul 15 12:26:14 2005
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:26:14 -0600
Subject: Quickly find out if database is available
In-Reply-To: <B9F71C53-617B-4186-A477-7BAB833CED2C@pandora.be>
References: <B9F71C53-617B-4186-A477-7BAB833CED2C@pandora.be>
Message-ID: <59681A05-6B46-42A7-ABEA-6E09B11874CF@byu.edu>

Ton,

This is sort of indirect but might work. Is there also a web server  
running on these servers? If so, you could do a simple get URL on the  
IP address, which should tell you very quickly whether the server is  
running or not.

Devin

On Jul 15, 2005, at 5:10 AM, Ton Kuypers wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Is there a way to find out if there is a mySQL database on a  
> specific ip-address?
>
> The question seems strange, but the reason is obvious: I have a  
> mySQL database running on 2 servers and if the primary is not  
> running, I need to switch to the second one.
> I can try to open a connection to the first one and on failure try  
> to open the second one, but due to the timeout of this "try to  
> connect" action, this takes to long.
>
> I need to to do this using OS9, OSx and Windows application...
>
>
> Warm regards,
>
>
> Ton Kuypers
> Digital Media Partners bvba
> Tel. +32 (0)477 / 739 530
> Fax +32 (0)14 / 71 03 04
> http://www.dmp-int.com
>
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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>

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From mdswindell at charter.net  Fri Jul 15 12:34:12 2005
From: mdswindell at charter.net (Mark Swindell)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:34:12 -0700
Subject: Search/Replace Strange Behavior
In-Reply-To: <p0621023cbefcfbc5a720@[192.168.2.153]>
References: <AA6581AA-5175-42B3-8728-CEAA080B3E67@charter.net>
	<p0621023cbefcfbc5a720@[192.168.2.153]>
Message-ID: <C3C09942-CB56-4C6A-A93A-B6041E27D573@charter.net>


On Jul 14, 2005, at 10:47 PM, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote:

> At 11:58 AM -0700 7/14/2005, Mark Swindell wrote:
>
>> I just had a strange behavior I wonder if anyone can explain.  I  
>> have a card with 3 fields containing many pages of narrative text.  
>> They are extensively formatted with linked text, colors, etc.  I  
>> used the search and replace to change occurrences of two spaces (I  
>> learned to type long ago on manual typewriters and can't shake the  
>> habit) to only one space.   I just typed in two spaces in the find  
>> field, and one in the replace field.  I limited the find/replace  
>> function to field text.  I pressed replace, and all formatting was  
>> lost on all three fields.  Is this a bug, or a feature?  I  
>> certainly didn't expect it.
>>
>
> It's a "nuance" or a "design flaw", depending on how charitable  
> you're feeling. The replace command treats its parameters as pure  
> text, so if you do something like
>
>   replace "foo" with "bar" in field "Stuff"
>
> you'll lose all formatting in the field. Replace seems to make a  
> copy of the target text, then do the replace operation, and then  
> swap the target text back into the field.
>
> The find/replace dialog really ought to be using htmlText, I think,  
> although then a certain amount of conniptions would be required to  
> avoid replacing text in an HTML tag

It's a pretty nasty nuance, then.  How's that?  :)

It renders the find and replace function useless for formatted text.   
And it did come as a shock, as it almost destroyed hours of work,  
because it can't be undone.  (No one had ever mentioned that I should  
back up my stacks regularly.) This seems like a pretty big thing that  
ought to be addressed by the engineering corps up in Edinborough, no?

Mark 


From b.xavier at internet.lu  Fri Jul 15 12:41:27 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:41:27 +0200
Subject: stupid dialogs
Message-ID: <20050715163331.BFDE4824E43@mail.runrev.com>

Just wondering if you also get this?
 
When i close a stack and get asked to save a stack, any stack behind and
below the "top" of the answer dialog gets "moved smoothly" below the dialog.
 
The most stupid thing is that:
1: i have to move it back myself (not smoothly thanks)
2: when in the prefs is the button (haven't we heard that today already?)
3: why doesn't it move the stacks higher than the bottom of the stack
"above" itself?
 
This too should go in the annals of great but embarassing and on top of it,
the totally counter productive programming practices awards!
 
A good thing that 4: it doesn't do it for all windows correctly!
 
cheers
Xav
 
 


From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Fri Jul 15 12:43:55 2005
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:43:55 +0200
Subject: [ANN][EN][FR] New Sophisticated Plugin from So Smart
Message-ID: <42D7E7CB.3050602@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

Sorry for the typo in my last post.

The correct link for the direct download of the latest version of my 
documentation search stack for Rev 2.6 is

<http://www.sanke.org/Software/SearchDocsXML26-Rev.zip>. ("MetaMedia" 
has to be left out).


Regards,

Wilhelm Sanke, Prof
Educational Technology
University Media Center
University of Kassel
Germany



From rev at armbase.com  Fri Jul 15 13:16:33 2005
From: rev at armbase.com (Bob Hartley)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:16:33 +0100
Subject: Revolution friendly virtual desktop managers. WinXP
Message-ID: <gemini.ijoinl0008d8602zo.rev@armbase.com>

Hi All.

I am looking for a virtual desktop manager for windowsXP. Now the reason
that this has relevance to the runrev list is, some of these don't hide all
the runrev palletes on switching screens. The one I prefer at the moment
that does do this properly (Managedesk) has some probelems with explorer and
I'd prefer one that could perform drag and drop of files between desktops (I
could do this on RISC OS in 1992). 

Does anyone have any virtual desktop recomendations that are revolution
friendly? IE put all the rev windows in one screen per running revolution.
This is handy when working on 2-3 rev apps.

All the best
Bob


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul 15 13:23:56 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:23:56 +0200
Subject: [ANN][EN][FR] New Sophisticated Plugin from So Smart
In-Reply-To: <42D7E30A.70802@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
References: <42D7E30A.70802@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <AFC6D68E-2616-4B60-8E7F-8D00B062B61A@sosmartsoftware.com>

Dear Wilhelm,

Please, read the plugin docs before posting such a mail which hurts  
me and don't tell the truth.
You search for "abbreviated" in the quick search mode i.e. through  
the headers only: there are indeed 3 headers in the dictionary which  
contain "abbreviated". This "intelligent" search takes about 120  
milliseconds.
If you uncheck the Quick Search box to search deeper, you will not  
find 17 entries but 21 (145 "contextual" found lines when you find  
only 43).
Why this difference?
Your stack does not search the actual dictionary but through custom  
properties you have implemented (BTW a good idea for speed).
Resources Picker searches always the "real" dictionary.
As youts, the plugin provides full links to the involved entries. Did  
not you see that too?

Do you allow me to add that Resources Picker is a "research centre",  
providing many other search types than through the Docs: mailing  
lists, Rev On line, RevNet, customisable Web database (for instance,  
did you try to search for  "Searchdocs" in the Web database? :-), all  
the web, etc.

Regards,

Eric Chatonet.

Le 15 juil. 05 ? 18:23, Wilhelm Sanke a ?crit :

> Hi Eric.
>
> I appreciate your open-mindedness and your valuable contributions  
> to the Rev community.
>
> Hope I am not too "rude" when I direct your attention to my  
> "SearchDocs" stack.
>
> This documentation search stack indeed allows simultaneous searches  
> (as an option) of Dictionary, Faqs, and Topics - the Cookbook is  
> not included.
> Search time through the about 2000 XML-files takes an average of  
> 200 milliseconds, so there is no need "to get some coffee" while  
> having to wait.
> This search time includes displaying all found lines with the  
> searchstrings colored (as in your plugin) and providing full links  
> to the involved XML files at the same time (so you can  
> instantaneously view the found lines in full context).
>
> I did a test search with your and my tool seaching the Dictionary  
> for the term "abbreviated". The results differ, because you might  
> apply a different search algorithm?
>
> Result for the "Resource Picker":
>
> "3 related entries found" (containing 32 lines according to my count)
>
> Result for "Searchdocs XML 2.6":
>
> "43 found lines in 17 XML-files"


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From jbondy at sover.net  Fri Jul 15 13:37:06 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:37:06 -0400
Subject: Quartam Reports, day late, dime short
In-Reply-To: <afb789659eb4c8c3b1188470c14ceb4e@mac.com>
References: <1da.40015fb9.30087d17@aol.com>	<ca09b1a745ae735d1392af0158b9d24f@qldlearning.com>	<42D7995E.1030304@sover.net>
	<afb789659eb4c8c3b1188470c14ceb4e@mac.com>
Message-ID: <42D7F442.5070100@sover.net>

Can't argue with that!

Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

>
> On Jul 15 2005, at 13:09, Jon wrote:
>
>> I know nothing about Jan or the product, but sometimes the knee jerk 
>> reaction on this list is "if you don't have something nice to say, 
>> don't say anything".  I'm not sure that is really in anyone's best 
>> interest.
>
>
> Hi Jon
>
> I think that people object not to the content of the raised comments, 
> but to the tone of them (at least that was my reaction). Simply saying 
> "Why didn't you incorporate feature..." instead of "I demand a 
> feature..." goes a long way towards a nice and cool atmosphere on a list.
>
> greetings
> Bj?rnke
>
>


From jbondy at sover.net  Fri Jul 15 13:54:31 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:54:31 -0400
Subject: Revolution friendly virtual desktop managers. WinXP
In-Reply-To: <gemini.ijoinl0008d8602zo.rev@armbase.com>
References: <gemini.ijoinl0008d8602zo.rev@armbase.com>
Message-ID: <42D7F857.7060008@sover.net>

Bob:

If these desktop managers work for everything BUT Rev, does that say 
something? I'm always annoyed when I <alt><tab> away from Rev and then 
try to <alt><tab> back, only to discover that 1) most of the Rev windows 
remain hidden, and 2) the Rev window that does appear is rarely the one 
I was using most recently. I then have to manually start hiding windows 
until I can work in Rev again.  To be honest, I would be hard pressed to 
write such a mis-behaving program in Windows if I were trying to.

Perhaps another approach would be to lobby Rev to try to make the entire 
IDE more friendly in this particular regard.

Jon


Bob Hartley wrote:

>Hi All.
>
>I am looking for a virtual desktop manager for windowsXP. Now the reason
>that this has relevance to the runrev list is, some of these don't hide all
>the runrev palletes on switching screens. The one I prefer at the moment
>that does do this properly (Managedesk) has some probelems with explorer and
>I'd prefer one that could perform drag and drop of files between desktops (I
>could do this on RISC OS in 1992). 
>
>Does anyone have any virtual desktop recomendations that are revolution
>friendly? IE put all the rev windows in one screen per running revolution.
>This is handy when working on 2-3 rev apps.
>
>All the best
>Bob
>_______________________________________________
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>use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
>  
>


From revolution at derbrill.de  Fri Jul 15 14:14:11 2005
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 20:14:11 +0200
Subject: arcadeEngine
In-Reply-To: <20050715170005.11396824E97@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3E433296-F55C-11D9-96A7-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>

Hi Jim,

 >Congratulations on arcadeEngine. Looks like lots of fun--and a lot of 
work.

Thanks a lot! It was both lots of fun and work. It took almost 2 years 
to get it all done. (including research and rewrites)

 >Does it included changes in the engine specific to your routines?
 >If so, are they specific to Dreamcard, or will they be available in
 >future releases of Studio and Enterprise?

No. It is all written in pure Transcript. :-) It works with every 
version of Revolution and Dreamcard I have available. (including 1.1.1 
on classic)

All the best,

Malte



From bann at sunncomm.com  Fri Jul 15 14:16:56 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:16:56 -0700
Subject: videoClip does stop playing????
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E58F@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>


> Hello,
>
> I have a video (.mov)
>
> I create a button (play) with this code:
>
> on mouseUp
>    play videoClip "my movie"
> end mouseUp
>
> I also create another button (close) with this code:
>
> on mouseUp
>   close this stack
>   stop playing videoClip "my movie"
> end mouseUp
>
>
> The problem is:  the stack is closed but the video still play (you can
> here it)
>
> I don't know any other command to stop the video.  Please help.  Thank
> you

use reverse order and the correct syntax for you commands,
that should do the trick :-)

on mouseUp
   play stop vc
   close this stack
end mouseUp

vc = short for videoclip

No need to specify the name of the clip, since only one clip can be  
playing
at a time...


----------------------------

Thank you it works

-------------------------------------


From revolution at jaedworks.com  Fri Jul 15 14:26:16 2005
From: revolution at jaedworks.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:26:16 -0700
Subject: Search/Replace Strange Behavior
In-Reply-To: <C3C09942-CB56-4C6A-A93A-B6041E27D573@charter.net>
References: <AA6581AA-5175-42B3-8728-CEAA080B3E67@charter.net>
	<p0621023cbefcfbc5a720@[192.168.2.153]>
	<C3C09942-CB56-4C6A-A93A-B6041E27D573@charter.net>
Message-ID: <p0621027ebefdadc758a8@[192.168.2.153]>

At 9:34 AM -0700 7/15/2005, Mark Swindell wrote:
>>It's a "nuance" or a "design flaw", depending on how charitable 
>>you're feeling. The replace command treats its parameters as pure 
>>text, so if you do something like
>>
>>   replace "foo" with "bar" in field "Stuff"
>>
>>you'll lose all formatting in the field. Replace seems to make a 
>>copy of the target text, then do the replace operation, and then 
>>swap the target text back into the field.
>
>It's a pretty nasty nuance, then.  How's that?  :)

Sounds about right. ;-)

>It renders the find and replace function useless for formatted text.
>And it did come as a shock, as it almost destroyed hours of work, 
>because it can't be undone.  (No one had ever mentioned that I 
>should back up my stacks regularly.) This seems like a pretty big 
>thing that ought to be addressed by the engineering corps up in 
>Edinborough, no?

Agreed. I thought there was a report on the replace command's 
behavior, but I wasn't able to find it, so I've bugzillad this as 
3008 and 3009.
-- 
jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
http://www.jaedworks.com


From rev at armbase.com  Fri Jul 15 14:26:20 2005
From: rev at armbase.com (Bob Hartley)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:26:20 +0100
Subject: Revolution friendly virtual desktop managers. WinXP
In-Reply-To: <42D7F857.7060008@sover.net>
References: <gemini.ijoinl0008d8602zo.rev@armbase.com> 
	<42D7F857.7060008@sover.net>
Message-ID: <gemini.ijolvw002dpmw01w4.rev@armbase.com>

You wrote:

> Bob:

Hi Jon
> 
> If these desktop managers work for everything BUT Rev, does that say
> something? 

Well not exactly, they also dont always work with GIMP. However The one I am
using seems to be OK-ish now. There must have been a conflict with another
app. Mind you still not as good as the RISC OS implementation. 

>I'm always annoyed when I <alt><tab> away from Rev and then try
> to <alt><tab> back, only to discover that 1) most of the Rev windows
> remain hidden, and 2) the Rev window that does appear is rarely the one I
> was using most recently. I then have to manually start hiding windows
> until I can work in Rev again. 

I do have slight annoyances, not with this particular scenario but others,
however, this is only because I have multiple instances of rev running. Just
my preference, and indeed there are benefits to not do this, stack swapping
being one particular example. 

> To be honest, I would be hard pressed to
> write such a mis-behaving program in Windows if I were trying to.

Well all my questions can be answered with virtual desktops. Perhaps it is
because my original computing environment was so lean in memory useage
(Easiwriter reads/writes word2003 and is only 800K) that I grew up on a
system with 2-3 monitors or 6-9 virtual desktops. I habe now been incluined
to go to the virtual desktop route again and am instantly more productive.
But really I'm pretty laid back about things, and actually only interested
in a virtual desktop manager. :-)

As for rev being poorly written, well I think it is actually marvelous. It
has its problems but so do other things. Probably from a Pro point of view
it may be slightly irritating when seing all these windows; however, from my
point of view, I actually love the ease of writing transcript and I'm not
annoyed by the IDE.
 
> Perhaps another approach would be to lobby Rev to try to make the entire
> IDE more friendly in this particular regard.

Considering the amount of money they make in comparison to Microsoft,
perhaps I should lobby MS to get virtual desktops implemented. 

Anyway: Every cloud has a silver lining. Or as Monty Python suggested I
should "Always look on the bright side.....". I now have virtual desktops,
just not the ideal one.

All the best
Bob; Sunny (honest) Scotland
> 
> Jon
> 
> 
> Bob Hartley wrote:
> 
> > Hi All.
> >
> > I am looking for a virtual desktop manager for windowsXP. Now the reason
> > that this has relevance to the runrev list is, some of these don't hide
> > all the runrev palletes on switching screens. The one I prefer at the
> > moment that does do this properly (Managedesk) has some probelems with
> > explorer and I'd prefer one that could perform drag and drop of files
> > between desktops (I could do this on RISC OS in 1992).
> >
> > Does anyone have any virtual desktop recomendations that are revolution
> > friendly? IE put all the rev windows in one screen per running
> > revolution. This is handy when working on 2-3 rev apps.
> >
> > All the best Bob _______________________________________________
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> >
> >  
> >
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From jimlyons at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 15 15:00:54 2005
From: jimlyons at earthlink.net (Jim Lyons)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:00:54 -0400
Subject: Snap To
Message-ID: <cbd36c67452fb21c5fcbd0b449c1b0c5@earthlink.net>

Xav,
I didn't see a reply to this yet:

> Im wondering if anyone has a snap-to point script or algorithm they 
> might
> want to share. Doesn't need to be a script but i would prefer a
> proven-working model or concept.

The idea is to round off the coordinates to the nearest multiple of 
your grid points. If you put this in a button script, the button will 
only move to points at coordinates that are multiples of 8.

on mouseDown
   repeat while the mouse is down -- (this is just for testing 
something!)
     show me at 8*(mouseH() div 8 ), 8*(mouseV() div 8)
   end repeat
end mouseDown

HTH, sorry if this isn't what you meant.

Jim Lyons



From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Jul 15 15:07:49 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:07:49 -0500
Subject: Revolution friendly virtual desktop managers. WinXP
In-Reply-To: <gemini.ijolvw002dpmw01w4.rev@armbase.com>
References: <gemini.ijoinl0008d8602zo.rev@armbase.com>
	<42D7F857.7060008@sover.net>
	<gemini.ijolvw002dpmw01w4.rev@armbase.com>
Message-ID: <42D80985.9070408@chipp.com>

Already done:

See Deskman at:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx

-Chipp

Bob Hartley wrote:

> Considering the amount of money they make in comparison to Microsoft,
> perhaps I should lobby MS to get virtual desktops implemented. 



From Tom.Cole at asu.edu  Fri Jul 15 15:18:55 2005
From: Tom.Cole at asu.edu (Thomas Cole)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:18:55 -0700
Subject: Arcade Engine
Message-ID: <9DE6BB5D1402484A8E881A39EFEE0634099EF6@ex7.asurite.ad.asu.edu>

I have a couple of textbooks and I have created Runtime Rev arcade games
to go with them. I just make them simple with fish jumping around and
things like that by hiding and showing buttons and graphics -- that sort
of thing. Very labor intensive.

Is this Arcade Engine a good buy for me? I'd like to make something that
has a more modern look than my 80-90s-looking games. I have Rev 2.1
studio. There isn't much info on the RunRev page. Anyone know anything
about how it would be to create (royalty free) standalones for
distribution with Arcade Engine?

Thanks very much,
Tom in Arizona


From Hamburger1 at aol.com  Fri Jul 15 15:51:07 2005
From: Hamburger1 at aol.com (Hamburger1 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:51:07 EDT
Subject: development tools question
Message-ID: <1f5.dc02477.30096dab@aol.com>

Is it possible to have the horizontal development tools bar to float like the 
vertical one does?

Joe in Orlando, Florida


From revolution at derbrill.de  Fri Jul 15 15:58:02 2005
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:58:02 +0200
Subject: Arcade Engine
In-Reply-To: <20050715170005.11396824E97@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C075109A-F56A-11D9-96A7-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>

Hi Thomas,

 >I have a couple of textbooks and I have created Runtime Rev arcade 
games
 >to go with them. I just make them simple with fish jumping around and
 >things like that by hiding and showing buttons and graphics -- that 
sort
 >of thing. Very labor intensive.

Sounds interesting!

 >Is this Arcade Engine a good buy for me? I'd like to make something 
that
 >has a more modern look than my 80-90s-looking games. I have Rev 2.1
 >studio. There isn't much info on the RunRev page. Anyone know anything
 >about how it would be to create (royalty free) standalones for
 >distribution with Arcade Engine?

ArcadeEngine will allow you to add very smooth and pretty animation. It 
will add life to your apps. The best thing to judge if it can do what 
you want is to download the demo that you can find on runrevs website:

http://www.runrev.com/section/revselect/arcadeengine/

This is just a small demonstration of what arcadeEngine can do. If you 
like that, I recommend that you download the library and "Getting 
Started" stack at the same URL. Once you've played with it, you'll see 
that scripting is very easy to do.

Regarding the distribution: The only limitation on AE is that you can?t 
use it in Development mode unless you register. If you want to 
distribute your work, you can simply embed it as a substack to your 
stack. Compile your work for any platform you like or distribute to or 
release the stack with AE on board for use in the Dreamcard player. No 
more royalties for that. Your end users won?t have to register the 
library as it works in a standalone or the player without limitation.

In addition you get free online support for the library. If you need 
help on using AE you can join the support forum at

http://www.derbrill.com/arcadeengine/forum

and your questions will be answered as soon as possible. I will prepare 
(and already have posted) some tutorials on using the library. And of 
course I am eager to see what users do with it. :-)

All the best,

Malte



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Jul 15 16:05:58 2005
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:05:58 -0700
Subject: Arcade Engine
In-Reply-To: <9DE6BB5D1402484A8E881A39EFEE0634099EF6@ex7.asurite.ad.asu.edu>
Message-ID: <BEFD6536.1C6A1%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Thomas Cole  wrote:

> Is this Arcade Engine a good buy for me? I'd like to make something that
> has a more modern look than my 80-90s-looking games. I have Rev 2.1
> studio. There isn't much info on the RunRev page. Anyone know anything
> about how it would be to create (royalty free) standalones for
> distribution with Arcade Engine?

ArcadeEngine is not about a look per se (although last I saw, there were a
few spirograph-esque functions included) -- it's about functionality.  Malte
has provide many useful functions and commands for creating
movement/animation/gameplay.  The look is still up to you.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From rev at armbase.com  Fri Jul 15 16:27:15 2005
From: rev at armbase.com (Bob Hartley)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:27:15 +0100
Subject: Revolution friendly virtual desktop managers. WinXP
In-Reply-To: <42D80985.9070408@chipp.com>
References: <gemini.ijoinl0008d8602zo.rev@armbase.com> 
	<42D7F857.7060008@sover.net> <gemini.ijolvw002dpmw01w4.rev@armbase.com>
	<42D80985.9070408@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <gemini.ijorhf004avqz02e4.rev@armbase.com>

You wrote:

> Already done:
> 
> See Deskman at:
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx

I Chipp.
Thanks for the info.
I've seen that one before. When you change screens it doesn't clear the
iconbar.

The other one I have is only $35 so not too bad.

cheers
Bob

> 
> -Chipp
> 
> Bob Hartley wrote:
> 
> > Considering the amount of money they make in comparison to Microsoft,
> > perhaps I should lobby MS to get virtual desktops implemented.
> 
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From briany at qldlearning.com  Fri Jul 15 16:27:50 2005
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:27:50 -0700
Subject: Quartam Reports, day late, dime short
In-Reply-To: <42D7995E.1030304@sover.net>
References: <1da.40015fb9.30087d17@aol.com>
	<ca09b1a745ae735d1392af0158b9d24f@qldlearning.com>
	<42D7995E.1030304@sover.net>
Message-ID: <77e59bc27c681e9503d94530c2ebd580@qldlearning.com>

Jon,

> I know nothing about this situation, other than what I read in the 
> past day or two, but it seems to me that, tone aside, some of what 
> Paul is saying IS professional.

That's exactly the point. The tone is not aside, and it wasn't subtle. 
It was an angry, rude, demanding rant. Saying "I don't mean to hurt 
you" is pretty pointless right before you intentionally step on 
someone's foot.

>  He explained to Jan specifically what his customers needed, and hoped 
> that Jan had listened.  As to "trite remarks about ... missed 
> deadlines", I'm not so sure that such remarks, if they're true, are 
> trite.

Truth has nothing to do with whether they were trite. Calling them 
trite means they were overused and lost their meaning due to the angry, 
unprofessional presentation. Shouting weakens your point sometimes.

> Explaining to the rest of us that a particular developer may not meet 
> announced deadlines, while depressing, is actually useful to 
> "professional" programmers who need to plan their schedules carefully.

Again, I never said that all of the content of the posts was false. 
Software schedules are notorious for slippage, and it's bad form to 
have your development rely on any unreleased software at all. If 
someone can calmly show me where a particular vendor is notoriously 
worse than others, with some real evidence, I'm all ears. Otherwise, 
it's hearsay.

> I know nothing about Jan or the product, but sometimes the knee jerk 
> reaction on this list is "if you don't have something nice to say, 
> don't say anything".  I'm not sure that is really in anyone's best 
> interest.

No. If there is a valid criticism, just present it in civil manner. It 
happens several times a day every day on this list, and it works quite 
well.

Hey, don't get me wrong. If anyone wants to exercise their right to 
voice their opinion in whatever tone they want, there's nothing I can 
do about it. But the heck if it makes me want to help them, which is 
what this list is all about. And that's a pity.

The signal to noise ratio on this list is damn good, and I would hate 
for that to change. With that said, I think I've put in my 2 cents.

---
Brian Yennie
Chief Technology Officer
QLD Learning, LLC
(310)-367-7364



From b.xavier at internet.lu  Fri Jul 15 16:31:23 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:31:23 +0200
Subject: Snap To
In-Reply-To: <cbd36c67452fb21c5fcbd0b449c1b0c5@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20050715202330.09A15824E5D@mail.runrev.com>

Thanks Jim

That i could do already. The problem is that finding approximated rects of
corners of other windows can be taxing if not confusing... 

I've tried to do a double filter on h and v vectors but the same it's
confusing... Though this gives me a new sub-filtering idea... 

cheers
Xavier 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jim Lyons
> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 21:01
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: Snap To
> 
> Xav,
> I didn't see a reply to this yet:
> 
> > Im wondering if anyone has a snap-to point script or algorithm they 
> > might want to share. Doesn't need to be a script but i 
> would prefer a 
> > proven-working model or concept.
> 
> The idea is to round off the coordinates to the nearest 
> multiple of your grid points. If you put this in a button 
> script, the button will only move to points at coordinates 
> that are multiples of 8.
> 
> on mouseDown
>    repeat while the mouse is down -- (this is just for testing
> something!)
>      show me at 8*(mouseH() div 8 ), 8*(mouseV() div 8)
>    end repeat
> end mouseDown
> 
> HTH, sorry if this isn't what you meant.
> 
> Jim Lyons
> 
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From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Fri Jul 15 17:02:16 2005
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 23:02:16 +0200
Subject: Search/Replace Strange Behavior
Message-ID: <42D82458.5070009@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005, Mark Swindell <mdswindell at charter.net> wrote:

> >> The find/replace dialog really ought to be using htmlText, I think,  
> >> although then a certain amount of conniptions would be required to  
> >> avoid replacing text in an HTML tag
>
> It's a pretty nasty nuance, then.  How's that?  
>
> It renders the find and replace function useless for formatted text.   
> And it did come as a shock, as it almost destroyed hours of work,  
> because it can't be undone.  (No one had ever mentioned that I should  
> back up my stacks regularly.) This seems like a pretty big thing that  
> ought to be addressed by the engineering corps up in Edinborough, no?
>
> Mark 



Hi Mark,

at least Jeanne A. E. DeVoto pointed into the right direction:

- Put the HTMLtext of the field into a variable
- do the "replace" in the variable
- set the HTMLtext of the field to the variable
like

  "put the htmltext of fld "X" into tInterim
  replace <searchstring> with <replacestring> in tInterim
  set the htmltext of fld "X"to tInterim".

This is applicable in most cases,

e.g. the coloring of the searchstrings in my "Searchdocs" stack is 
brought about by the lines
 
  "put the htmltext of fld "X" into tInterim
  replace <searchstring> with "<FONT 
color=#FF0000>"&searchstring&"</FONT>" in tInterim
  set the htmltext of fld "X"to tInterim"

Regards,

Wilhelm Sanke
 




From douggilliland at gmail.com  Fri Jul 15 17:06:00 2005
From: douggilliland at gmail.com (Douglas Gilliland)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:06:00 -0400
Subject: Text Hyperlink
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445E5@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445E5@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <890e3d2605071514061ee77b12@mail.gmail.com>

I'd like to thank you both for your quick response. It is appreciated.
Sincerely,
Doug Gilliland
Sarasota, FL

On 7/14/05, Lynch, Jonathan <bnz2 at cdc.gov> wrote:
> Linktext is the way to go...
> 
> Such as...
> 
> Set the linktext of word 2 of field "myField" to "myCard"
> 
> 
> Then, in order to respond to it, you can do one of the following:
> 
> If it is a locked field, do this:
> 
> On linkclicked pLink
>   If exists(card pLink of this stack) = true then go card pLink
> End linkclicked
> 
> 
> 
> 
> If this is in an unlocked field, linkclicked won't work. For an unlocked
> field, use this:
> 
> On selectionchanged
>   -- make sure it is a click action, rather than a highlighting action
>   If word 4 of the selectedchunk <= word 2 of the selectedchunk then
> exit selectionchanged
> 
>   -- then get the link information of the selected text and respond to
> it
>   Put the linktext of the selection into tLink
>   If exists(card tLink of this stack) = true then go card tLink
> 
> End selectionchanged
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Douglas
> Gilliland
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 12:04 PM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Text Hyperlink
> 
> How can I select a word in a scrolling text field and assign it
> actions? I have been placing transparent buttons over text in
> non-scrolling fields- works great but won't work for scrolling fields.
> Searched the documentation and Dan's book but no answers. Tried
> selecting the text and using link (hoping for a hyperlink) but that
> looks like it is more for grouping text.
> 
> I know this is a simple question (as all questions are when you know
> the answer) but being a newbe who authored in HyperStudio for years, I
> can't figure it out.
> 
> I do appreciate all the advice I have received in previous posts.
> Doug Gilliland
> Sarasota, FL
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From gbojsza at gmail.com  Fri Jul 15 17:39:36 2005
From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:39:36 -0400
Subject: ZMODEM protocol support in Rev
Message-ID: <3d8af41505071514397acb149c@mail.gmail.com>

Happy Friday.

Has anyone worked with ZMODEM protocol in Rev? I need to upload and
download files from a telco blackbox that I am connected to via a
telnet session.

The "box's" command that I want to support is:

>copy masterfile-conf zmodem:

If you use windows Hyperterminal to telnet in there is support for the
zmodem protocol and the command copies the file from the box to the
Hyperterminal folder.

But I would like to use Rev as the Telnet client and everything else
works fine other than the ability to support the copy command.

Any suggestions are appreciated.

thanks,


From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Fri Jul 15 17:41:05 2005
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 23:41:05 +0200
Subject: [ANN][EN][FR] New Sophisticated Plugin from So Smart
Message-ID: <42D82D71.4060804@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

On Fri Jul 15 Eric Chatonet eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com wrote:

> Dear Wilhelm,
>
> Please, read the plugin docs before posting such a mail which hurts  
> me and don't tell the truth.
> (snip)


Dear Eric,

Despite my earnest intention not to be "rude" it seems I underestimated 
this task (Here is the place for an appropriate smiley).

What I tried to respond to was the question of the joint search of 
Dictionary, Faq, Topics etc. at the same time and your reservations 
about the longer search time needed then.

Indeed I did not explore the many options you implemented in your 
"research centre",  and my comment about the differences of the found 
lines was more of an afterthought after a first test.

> Your stack does not search the actual dictionary but through custom  
> properties you have implemented (BTW a good idea for speed).
> Resources Picker searches always the "real" dictionary.


My tool "SearchDocs XML" searches the "real" dictionary, too, the only 
difference being that I stripped the XML tags and stored the pure text 
in arrays. The additional advantage of this procedure - apart from a 
momentous gain in speed - is that you can search for any length of a 
string in  the docs.
As an example, you could search for a longer string like "move an 
animation to its starting frame", which in most cases would not be 
possible with the search functions in the Rev docs, because the 
searchstring would probably be interrupted by XML tags in the real XML 
files.

I surely will explore your tool in full and provide feedback if 
questions or recommendations come up.

Best regards,

Wilhelm Sanke




From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Fri Jul 15 17:41:05 2005
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 23:41:05 +0200
Subject: [ANN][EN][FR] New Sophisticated Plugin from So Smart
Message-ID: <42D82D71.4060804@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

On Fri Jul 15 Eric Chatonet eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com wrote:

> Dear Wilhelm,
>
> Please, read the plugin docs before posting such a mail which hurts  
> me and don't tell the truth.
> (snip)


Dear Eric,

Despite my earnest intention not to be "rude" it seems I underestimated 
this task (Here is the place for an appropriate smiley).

What I tried to respond to was the question of the joint search of 
Dictionary, Faq, Topics etc. at the same time and your reservations 
about the longer search time needed then.

Indeed I did not explore the many options you implemented in your 
"research centre",  and my comment about the differences of the found 
lines was more of an afterthought after a first test.

> Your stack does not search the actual dictionary but through custom  
> properties you have implemented (BTW a good idea for speed).
> Resources Picker searches always the "real" dictionary.


My tool "SearchDocs XML" searches the "real" dictionary, too, the only 
difference being that I stripped the XML tags and stored the pure text 
in arrays. The additional advantage of this procedure - apart from a 
momentous gain in speed - is that you can search for any length of a 
string in  the docs.
As an example, you could search for a longer string like "move an 
animation to its starting frame", which in most cases would not be 
possible with the search functions in the Rev docs, because the 
searchstring would probably be interrupted by XML tags in the real XML 
files.

I surely will explore your tool in full and provide feedback if 
questions or recommendations come up.

Best regards,

Wilhelm Sanke




From soapdog at mac.com  Fri Jul 15 17:42:59 2005
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:42:59 -0300
Subject: ZMODEM protocol support in Rev
In-Reply-To: <3d8af41505071514397acb149c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3d8af41505071514397acb149c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6AEA5C92-3C2C-40C1-8915-A3028870798B@mac.com>


On Jul 15, 2005, at 6:39 PM, Glen Bojsza wrote:

> Happy Friday.
>
> Has anyone worked with ZMODEM protocol in Rev? I need to upload and
> download files from a telco blackbox that I am connected to via a
> telnet session.
>
> The "box's" command that I want to support is:
>

Glen,

are you using what operating system?

Andre




>
>> copy masterfile-conf zmodem:
>>
>
> If you use windows Hyperterminal to telnet in there is support for the
> zmodem protocol and the command copies the file from the box to the
> Hyperterminal folder.
>
> But I would like to use Rev as the Telnet client and everything else
> works fine other than the ability to support the copy command.
>
> Any suggestions are appreciated.
>
> thanks,
> _______________________________________________
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From soapdog at mac.com  Fri Jul 15 17:57:39 2005
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:57:39 -0300
Subject: ZMODEM protocol support in Rev
In-Reply-To: <3d8af41505071514397acb149c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3d8af41505071514397acb149c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3A94A0D1-03CD-4EA1-B68D-A4AC72BDF0FC@mac.com>


On Jul 15, 2005, at 6:39 PM, Glen Bojsza wrote:

> Happy Friday.
>
> Has anyone worked with ZMODEM protocol in Rev? I need to upload and
> download files from a telco blackbox that I am connected to via a
> telnet session.
>
> The "box's" command that I want to support is:
>
>
>> copy masterfile-conf zmodem:
>>
>

well, don't really needed the answer for my previous email. I think  
the fastest way to use ZModem with Rev is using the same tecnique  
used by BBS back in the good old days. Use a shell program.

If you're lucky to be on windows (argh, never thought I'd say that),  
you have tons of command line tools to do Z/X/YModem and Kermit. You  
would just use shell() to launch the program, that was the way that  
old BBS coped with file transfers. Altough some have builtin X and  
Zmodem.

if you're on unixland you also have some tools available.

The wonderfull BBS Documentary site got all those tools for download...

Cheers
andre



> If you use windows Hyperterminal to telnet in there is support for the
> zmodem protocol and the command copies the file from the box to the
> Hyperterminal folder.
>
> But I would like to use Rev as the Telnet client and everything else
> works fine other than the ability to support the copy command.
>
> Any suggestions are appreciated.
>
> thanks,
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> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From bvg at mac.com  Fri Jul 15 18:08:00 2005
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 00:08:00 +0200
Subject: Arcade Engine
In-Reply-To: <BEFD6536.1C6A1%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <BEFD6536.1C6A1%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <edc68133bd6fa244f132d058ff3c3090@mac.com>

Remember that Malte will answer any questions you can imagine about the 
Arcade Engine on Sunday 19.30 CET in ChatRev.

  get your copy at http://chatrev.bjoernke.com

The time for the chatrev in seconds is: 1121621400

Put this into your message box to get your local time:
convert "1121621400" to internet date;put it


-- 

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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jul 15 18:50:20 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:50:20 -0700
Subject: Search/Replace Strange Behavior
In-Reply-To: <C3C09942-CB56-4C6A-A93A-B6041E27D573@charter.net>
References: <AA6581AA-5175-42B3-8728-CEAA080B3E67@charter.net>
	<p0621023cbefcfbc5a720@[192.168.2.153]>
	<C3C09942-CB56-4C6A-A93A-B6041E27D573@charter.net>
Message-ID: <5717340173.20050715155020@ahsoftware.net>

Mark-

Friday, July 15, 2005, 9:34:12 AM, you wrote:

MS> because it can't be undone.  (No one had ever mentioned that I should
MS> back up my stacks regularly.) This seems like a pretty big thing that

Ahem... BACK UP YOUR STACKS REGULARLY.

There. Now you've been told. Not just your stacks, either. You *do*
make backups, yes?

I use Chipp's altArchive plugin to save a copy just before I'm about
to make a major change.

http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRevArchived/Plugins.htm

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul 15 18:57:12 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 00:57:12 +0200
Subject: [ANN] Patch Stack for App Browser 2.5.1 and 2.6
In-Reply-To: <FC99745F-8B4E-418E-8F3A-2A8863BD7FE8@byu.edu>
References: <F95914CD-BDA2-4984-958A-C5296B7FC56F@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<FC99745F-8B4E-418E-8F3A-2A8863BD7FE8@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <15638616-F415-4DC1-A4CA-DF1B8AF9A9E6@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Devin,

No I did not sent this to Bugzilla.
As I do each time I provide the answer too, I sent a copy to support  
and to Mark Waddingham.
May be it's not the right way.
What's your opinion?

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

Le 15 juil. 05 ? 18:22, Devin Asay a ?crit :

> Eric,
>
> Have you posted this problem as a bug fix or feature request on  
> Bugzilla?
>
> Devin
>
> On Jul 15, 2005, at 4:06 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I you have followed the thread "App Browser Woes....." on this  
>> list, you know the facts:
>>
>>
>>
>>> How come when I change something in my stack, like the layer  
>>> number or the object name etc. It doesn't change in the App  
>>> Browser Window?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> And my answer:
>>
>> To be precise, the problem came in with Rev 2.5.1. (no problem  
>> with prior versions)
>> In order to save time, runRev guys imagined to keep the current  
>> controls list into a cache (good idea) and refresh this list only  
>> when a control is deleted or added (very bad idea).
>>
>> Here is a patch stack to correct the devastating side effects ;-)
>> Just run the line below in the message box:
>>
>> go url "http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/downloads/App%20Browser% 
>> 20Patch.rev"
>>
>> "In topic" and as a reminder, you will find below a short  
>> specification of my Objects Picker plugin you can download from my  
>> website:
>>
>> Objects Picker makes it possible to edit properties and scripts in  
>> one click.
>> It also offers dozens of powerful functions like the graphical  
>> reorganization of layers or the moving of objects, copying and  
>> pasting of properties or styles, the incremental denomination of  
>> objects, the management of profiles, and improved script edition,  
>> the bookmarking of objects as well as other functions...
>> Objects Picker fits in well with Revolution IDE: it uses objects  
>> lists as in Rev Application Browser and uses the same shortcuts  
>> you specified for it as well it takes care of Revolution UI  
>> Elements In Lists preference.
>> In a word, Objects Picker uses contextual menus to perform varied  
>> (and what are sometimes boring :-) actions, all at once, with just  
>> one mouse-click, on multiple objects: features are derived  
>> directly from programming experience and will help you save a lot  
>> of time when you are developing.
>> Note that this heavy plugin (850 KB zip archive, 1.9 MB on disk)  
>> is the only one which is not free but you will get yours money's  
>> worth (? 12 :-)
>>
>
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University

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From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Jul 15 19:09:49 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 00:09:49 +0100
Subject: [ANN] Patch Stack for App Browser 2.5.1 and 2.6
In-Reply-To: <15638616-F415-4DC1-A4CA-DF1B8AF9A9E6@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <F95914CD-BDA2-4984-958A-C5296B7FC56F@sosmartsoftware.com>	<FC99745F-8B4E-418E-8F3A-2A8863BD7FE8@byu.edu>
	<15638616-F415-4DC1-A4CA-DF1B8AF9A9E6@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <42D8423D.6090400@tweedly.net>

Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi Devin,
>
> No I did not sent this to Bugzilla.
> As I do each time I provide the answer too, I sent a copy to support  
> and to Mark Waddingham.
> May be it's not the right way.
> What's your opinion?
>
I think it would be good to have it in Bugzilla.

1. More likely to be found by anyone searching to see if this problem 
they've just discovered is a already a known problem or not.   
(Searching the list archive isn't as reliable, nor as sure to be done, 
as searching BZ).

2. Gives everyone else the opportunity to vote for it.

3. Gives everyone a chance to be notified when it is fixed (or rejected, 
in the unlikely event that it was intended behaviour for some subtle 
reason that we didn't think of).

3a. Gives a reference number for the Patch Tracker to use :-)

-- Alex.

-- 
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Jul 15 19:19:54 2005
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:19:54 -0600
Subject: [ANN] Patch Stack for App Browser 2.5.1 and 2.6
In-Reply-To: <42D8423D.6090400@tweedly.net>
References: <F95914CD-BDA2-4984-958A-C5296B7FC56F@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<FC99745F-8B4E-418E-8F3A-2A8863BD7FE8@byu.edu>
	<15638616-F415-4DC1-A4CA-DF1B8AF9A9E6@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<42D8423D.6090400@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <B686A5B0-F788-4EEF-A0C8-1002A63AADC5@byu.edu>


On Jul 15, 2005, at 5:09 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> Eric Chatonet wrote:
>
>
>> Hi Devin,
>>
>> No I did not sent this to Bugzilla.
>> As I do each time I provide the answer too, I sent a copy to  
>> support  and to Mark Waddingham.
>> May be it's not the right way.
>> What's your opinion?
>>
>>
> I think it would be good to have it in Bugzilla.
>
> 1. More likely to be found by anyone searching to see if this  
> problem they've just discovered is a already a known problem or  
> not.   (Searching the list archive isn't as reliable, nor as sure  
> to be done, as searching BZ).
>
> 2. Gives everyone else the opportunity to vote for it.
>
> 3. Gives everyone a chance to be notified when it is fixed (or  
> rejected, in the unlikely event that it was intended behaviour for  
> some subtle reason that we didn't think of).
>
> 3a. Gives a reference number for the Patch Tracker to use :-)
>
> -- Alex.

I'm inclined to agree with Alex, for the reasons he listed. I am  
happy you've alerted Mark W. separately, however, because it lights  
another little fire under this issue, and we would hope it will be  
fixed sooner.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From soapdog at mac.com  Fri Jul 15 19:30:59 2005
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 20:30:59 -0300
Subject: [ANN] Patch Stack for App Browser 2.5.1 and 2.6
In-Reply-To: <F95914CD-BDA2-4984-958A-C5296B7FC56F@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <F95914CD-BDA2-4984-958A-C5296B7FC56F@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <714FCB0D-8B11-4A14-97F6-41EFC562702C@mac.com>


On Jul 15, 2005, at 7:06 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> go url "http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/downloads/App%20Browser% 
> 20Patch.rev"

The stack is reporting that I am not using 2.5.1 or higher, here it's  
2.5.1RC2... is something wrong?

cheers
Andre

From revdan at danshafer.com  Fri Jul 15 19:42:31 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:42:31 -0700
Subject: Quartam Reports, day late, dime short
In-Reply-To: <42D7F442.5070100@sover.net>
References: <1da.40015fb9.30087d17@aol.com>	<ca09b1a745ae735d1392af0158b9d24f@qldlearning.com>	<42D7995E.1030304@sover.net>
	<afb789659eb4c8c3b1188470c14ceb4e@mac.com>
	<42D7F442.5070100@sover.net>
Message-ID: <66595DFA-B636-4E39-8940-EA8EFE57FB20@danshafer.com>

Nope, I don't think that's the knee-jerk reaction, at least not very  
often.

The knee-jerk reaction is more like, "If you must criticize, please  
do so with consideration for the feelings of the object(s) of your  
criticism and keep the tone civil."

I can't argue with that.

On Jul 15, 2005, at 10:37 AM, Jon wrote:

>>> sometimes the knee jerk reaction on this list is "if you don't  
>>> have something nice to say, don't say anything".  I'm not sure  
>>> that is really in anyone's best interest.



From revdan at danshafer.com  Fri Jul 15 20:05:09 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:05:09 -0700
Subject: development tools question
In-Reply-To: <1f5.dc02477.30096dab@aol.com>
References: <1f5.dc02477.30096dab@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C35AFA87-271E-412A-B0E2-66375F166746@danshafer.com>

If you download Chipp Walters' mini-me plug-in, it is.

:-)

dan

On Jul 15, 2005, at 12:51 PM, Hamburger1 at aol.com wrote:

> Is it possible to have the horizontal development tools bar to  
> float like the
> vertical one does?
>
> Joe in Orlando, Florida
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jul 16 01:04:13 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 00:04:13 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Patch Stack for App Browser 2.5.1 and 2.6
In-Reply-To: <B686A5B0-F788-4EEF-A0C8-1002A63AADC5@byu.edu>
References: <F95914CD-BDA2-4984-958A-C5296B7FC56F@sosmartsoftware.com>	<FC99745F-8B4E-418E-8F3A-2A8863BD7FE8@byu.edu>	<15638616-F415-4DC1-A4CA-DF1B8AF9A9E6@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42D8423D.6090400@tweedly.net>
	<B686A5B0-F788-4EEF-A0C8-1002A63AADC5@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <42D8954D.1040604@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/15/05 6:19 PM, Devin Asay wrote:

> 
> On Jul 15, 2005, at 5:09 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
> 
>> Eric Chatonet wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hi Devin,
>>>
>>> No I did not sent this to Bugzilla.
>>> As I do each time I provide the answer too, I sent a copy to  
>>> support  and to Mark Waddingham.
>>> May be it's not the right way.
>>> What's your opinion?
>>>
>>>
>> I think it would be good to have it in Bugzilla.
>>
>> 1. More likely to be found by anyone searching to see if this  problem 
>> they've just discovered is a already a known problem or  not.   
>> (Searching the list archive isn't as reliable, nor as sure  to be 
>> done, as searching BZ).
>>
>> 2. Gives everyone else the opportunity to vote for it.
>>
>> 3. Gives everyone a chance to be notified when it is fixed (or  
>> rejected, in the unlikely event that it was intended behaviour for  
>> some subtle reason that we didn't think of).
>>
>> 3a. Gives a reference number for the Patch Tracker to use :-)
>>
>> -- Alex.
> 
> 
> I'm inclined to agree with Alex, for the reasons he listed. I am  happy 
> you've alerted Mark W. separately, however, because it lights  another 
> little fire under this issue, and we would hope it will be  fixed sooner.

It should go into Bugzilla, because Mark isn't always the one who fixes 
this type of bug. Putting it into Bugzilla automatically assigns the bug 
to the right person. Mark gets pretty busy; sending everything to him 
could actualy slow down the process.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sat Jul 16 03:29:12 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:29:12 +0200
Subject: [ANN] Patch Stack for App Browser 2.5.1 and 2.6
In-Reply-To: <714FCB0D-8B11-4A14-97F6-41EFC562702C@mac.com>
References: <F95914CD-BDA2-4984-958A-C5296B7FC56F@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<714FCB0D-8B11-4A14-97F6-41EFC562702C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F5E06D52-BD32-43C3-A7C5-2E1CBA4E8C5D@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Andre,

Sorry: due to time difference, I find your mail this morning.
I know you are on Mac OS X and here it works fine on Mac OS X (Rev  
2.5.1 Build 77)
So I wonder.
I use the following function.
Could you test it in your environment and let me know:

function BadRevVersion
   put revAppVersion() into tVersion
   if tVersion = "2.5.1" then return false
   if char 1 to 3 of tVersion >= 2.6 then return false
   return true
end BadRevVersion

Does it mean that revAppVersion returns "2.5.1RC2" at yours place?

Le 16 juil. 05 ? 01:30, Andre Garzia a ?crit :

>
> On Jul 15, 2005, at 7:06 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:
>
>> go url "http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/downloads/App%20Browser% 
>> 20Patch.rev"
>
> The stack is reporting that I am not using 2.5.1 or higher, here  
> it's 2.5.1RC2... is something wrong?

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sat Jul 16 04:17:09 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 10:17:09 +0200
Subject: Search/Replace Strange Behavior
In-Reply-To: <p0621027ebefdadc758a8@[192.168.2.153]>
References: <AA6581AA-5175-42B3-8728-CEAA080B3E67@charter.net>
	<p0621023cbefcfbc5a720@[192.168.2.153]>
	<C3C09942-CB56-4C6A-A93A-B6041E27D573@charter.net>
	<p0621027ebefdadc758a8@[192.168.2.153]>
Message-ID: <8C97917F-E8FE-4460-BE96-BB39B31E8148@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Jeanne,

This affects all routines which use the replace command especially  
with the find tool: in fields you loose the formatting and in scripts  
you loose the colorisation.

Did you mentioned that when Bugz?

Le 15 juil. 05 ? 20:26, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto a ?crit :

> At 9:34 AM -0700 7/15/2005, Mark Swindell wrote:
>
>>> It's a "nuance" or a "design flaw", depending on how charitable  
>>> you're feeling. The replace command treats its parameters as pure  
>>> text, so if you do something like
>>>
>>>   replace "foo" with "bar" in field "Stuff"
>>>
>>> you'll lose all formatting in the field. Replace seems to make a  
>>> copy of the target text, then do the replace operation, and then  
>>> swap the target text back into the field.
>>>
>>
>> It's a pretty nasty nuance, then.  How's that?  :)
>>
>
> Sounds about right. ;-)
>
>
>> It renders the find and replace function useless for formatted text.
>> And it did come as a shock, as it almost destroyed hours of work,  
>> because it can't be undone.  (No one had ever mentioned that I  
>> should back up my stacks regularly.) This seems like a pretty big  
>> thing that ought to be addressed by the engineering corps up in  
>> Edinborough, no?
>>
>
> Agreed. I thought there was a report on the replace command's  
> behavior, but I wasn't able to find it, so I've bugzillad this as  
> 3008 and 3009.
> -- 
> jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
> http://www.jaedworks.com


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From r.beynon at liv.ac.uk  Sat Jul 16 04:41:39 2005
From: r.beynon at liv.ac.uk (Rob Beynon)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:41:39 +0100
Subject: On-line help
Message-ID: <1173694616.20050716094139@liv.ac.uk>


Dear All,

My software grows organically, as I add new features. Although modest,
I reach the pint where simple 'tool tips' are no longer enough help.
Rather than write a manual (yuch!) I'd prefer to include some on line
help. I wonder how you all do this..

Is there a tool that allows me to set up a LH tree and a RH contents
format?

Should I use a new substack just for help, or hidden fields

Could I use a help mode, where 'mouseOvers' bring up more detailed
field information (seems messy).

I'd be grateful for insight and thoughts about how you address this
problem.

Thanks

-- 
All best wishes,
Rob

(Created at 09:39 on 16/07/2005)



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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sat Jul 16 04:57:11 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 10:57:11 +0200
Subject: On-line help
In-Reply-To: <1173694616.20050716094139@liv.ac.uk>
References: <1173694616.20050716094139@liv.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <FA630560-B172-4B85-BC8A-BE54DE60EA9B@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Rob,

The easiest way in your case I suppose (in fact there many ways :-)  
could be to have a field displaying the right info according to the  
mouse location.
It's easy to make:

You put 2 generic handlers in your stack (or card) script as the  
following:

on mouseEnter
   put the uTextHelp of the target into fld "UserInfo"
on mouseEnter
-----
on mouseLeave
   put empty into fld "UserInfo"
end mouseLeave

For each object you want to display help you create a uTextHelp  
custom property in it with the right text.
If the property does not exist the mouseEnter handler will put empty  
into your help field.
Otherwise your help will be displayed.
That's all.

Of course, you can make things more sophisticated by using html text  
(and by the fact avoid cross-platforms text encoding issues),  
override your generic handlers in the objects scripts when needed and  
using some conditional structures in order to provide contextual  
help, etc.
But that's another story :-)

BTW, you could be interested too by my tutorial about *contextual*  
tooltips.
Just get Tutorials Picker from Rev Online (user: So Smart Software)  
to access it.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

Le 16 juil. 05 ? 10:41, Rob Beynon a ?crit :

> Dear All,
>
> My software grows organically, as I add new features. Although modest,
> I reach the pint where simple 'tool tips' are no longer enough help.
> Rather than write a manual (yuch!) I'd prefer to include some on line
> help. I wonder how you all do this..
>
> Is there a tool that allows me to set up a LH tree and a RH contents
> format?
>
> Should I use a new substack just for help, or hidden fields
>
> Could I use a help mode, where 'mouseOvers' bring up more detailed
> field information (seems messy).
>
> I'd be grateful for insight and thoughts about how you address this
> problem.


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From alcy.runrev1 at 7power7.com  Sat Jul 16 05:49:17 2005
From: alcy.runrev1 at 7power7.com (Alcy)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:49:17 +1000
Subject: on the topic of eMails (was Re: 1st time Revolution user
	question)
References: <42D6A808.403@7power7.com>
	<A91565ED-93FC-47BC-BDA3-E8776222DE28@mac.com>
	<42D6CB9D.6090005@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <42D8D81D.1080700@7power7.com>


Wow.. I find this mailing list very helpful thank you all.
*** (thanks Jacqueline for directing me to it) ***
Some of you have requested me to precise my needs:
I am using Windows XP and am building a database management system and I 
would like it to be able to communicate by email, send and receive data 
for fast, convenient updates and reports from/to a group of people. So I 
need it to be able to send and receive text and html files with 
eventually some images in attachment.
And I need it to be independent from any email program as I want it to 
be self sufficient and easily portable.

OK if I understand well, here is the summary of my options for sending 
and receiving emails:
1) To Send emails:
 >>>(1) Shao Sean libEmail and libSMTP libraries. Shao Sean created  
this two gems that can to lots of cool things. The libEmail will  
generate an email enclosure (will not send, but generate the chunk  that 
is the email) with MIME, Attachments and whatever you want.  libSMTP 
will take care of sending the email. It works fine! and can be found at
http://dark.unitz.ca/~shaosean/pages/development.htm
*** (Thanks Andre and Alex) ***

 >>> Another alternative that ought to work very well would be to post  
your email message to a PHP document on a web server and use the PHP  
mail command to do the actual sending. The drawback, of course, is  that 
you'd have to write a little php and have access to a web server  that 
could host the script, not to mention an smtp server that would  accept 
the message for sending. However, it's very simple to write,  and Rev 
talks nicely with web-based resources like this.
*** (Thanks Devin) ***

2) To receive emails:
 >>> Alex did that (on RevOnline under his username alextweedly). 
Sarah's library was very helpful - can be found from URL Andre gave 
(http://www.troz.net/Rev/index.html)
Sarah's library is purely a POP3 library - it doesn't cover MIME decoding
*** (Thanks Andre and Alex) ***

So I understand that there will be no problem for sending emails with 
images attached and receiving text or html files without attachment but 
I will need extra coding for receiving emails with attachments.
Is that right?

Alcy



From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Sat Jul 16 09:46:40 2005
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 08:46:40 -0500
Subject: On-line help
In-Reply-To: <1173694616.20050716094139@liv.ac.uk>
References: <1173694616.20050716094139@liv.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <42D90FC0.1040803@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Rob,

Well, on the Windows side of things I tend to keep my help based on what 
the system would offer.  I figure, why re-invent the wheel.  If your 
product is on Windows, I would suggest you try out "HTML Help Workshop" 
from Microsoft.

It's all html based, but it allows you to compile your documentation 
into a HTMLHelp format which is viewable on all versions of Windows. 
Plus it compresses it so your documentation is a little smaller in size.

You can find it on download.com.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
_______________________________________________
Compress Photos for the Web with JPEGCompress
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/


From revolution at jaedworks.com  Sat Jul 16 10:39:37 2005
From: revolution at jaedworks.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 07:39:37 -0700
Subject: Search/Replace Strange Behavior
In-Reply-To: <8C97917F-E8FE-4460-BE96-BB39B31E8148@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <AA6581AA-5175-42B3-8728-CEAA080B3E67@charter.net>
	<p0621023cbefcfbc5a720@[192.168.2.153]>
	<C3C09942-CB56-4C6A-A93A-B6041E27D573@charter.net>
	<p0621027ebefdadc758a8@[192.168.2.153]>
	<8C97917F-E8FE-4460-BE96-BB39B31E8148@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <p062102d1befecc8a1bb6@[192.168.2.153]>

At 10:17 AM +0200 7/16/2005, Eric Chatonet wrote:
>This affects all routines which use the replace command especially 
>with the find tool: in fields you loose the formatting and in 
>scripts you loose the colorisation.
>
>Did you mentioned that when Bugz?

I did one on the Find and Replace dialog and one for the replace 
command itself. Feel free to add comments to them....
-- 
jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
http://www.jaedworks.com


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sat Jul 16 10:51:37 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:51:37 +0200
Subject: Search/Replace Strange Behavior
In-Reply-To: <p062102d1befecc8a1bb6@[192.168.2.153]>
References: <AA6581AA-5175-42B3-8728-CEAA080B3E67@charter.net>
	<p0621023cbefcfbc5a720@[192.168.2.153]>
	<C3C09942-CB56-4C6A-A93A-B6041E27D573@charter.net>
	<p0621027ebefdadc758a8@[192.168.2.153]>
	<8C97917F-E8FE-4460-BE96-BB39B31E8148@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<p062102d1befecc8a1bb6@[192.168.2.153]>
Message-ID: <0212871E-7DB4-4880-A041-36FDDF317077@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Jeanne,

Great!
Thank you.

Le 16 juil. 05 ? 16:39, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto a ?crit :

> At 10:17 AM +0200 7/16/2005, Eric Chatonet wrote:
>
>> This affects all routines which use the replace command especially  
>> with the find tool: in fields you loose the formatting and in  
>> scripts you loose the colorisation.
>>
>> Did you mentioned that when Bugz?
>>
>
> I did one on the Find and Replace dialog and one for the replace  
> command itself. Feel free to add comments to them....
> -- 
> jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From jerry at daniels-mara.com  Sat Jul 16 12:39:27 2005
From: jerry at daniels-mara.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:39:27 -0500
Subject: imageSource images don't refresh if binfile type?
Message-ID: <d527978f430bfac895771f0dd5edc50d@daniels-mara.com>

Have this every happened to YOU?

I've got a field with lots of images in it, thanks to the imageSource 
property. Since all the images are in a folder, I'm using the syntax:

     set the imageSource of char x of fld y to ("binfile:" & theFilePath)

Works great. Works fast.

But wait...there's a dark side.

When the file that is being referenced by that imageSource call changes 
content (but not it's file name!), the image in my field will not 
reflect that new image content on screen as it is in the file. It's as 
if the image data is being cached somewhere and I can't force it to 
refresh.

I've tried (in order of increasing desperation):

    - putting empty into the field and re-drawing everything
    - setting the imageSource to empty and then back to the binfile 
reference
    - setting alwaysBugger to false/true
    - setting butterHiddenImages false/true
    - making a standalone and trying it there (same result)
    - reading the documentation
    - reading every conceivable archive we have on the subject

It's all quite mysterious. There's file-related image data somewhere in 
memory and--although the file data has changed--it remains the same 
when reference to it is made.

Any ideas?

Jerry



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sat Jul 16 13:05:09 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:05:09 +0200
Subject: imageSource images don't refresh if binfile type?
In-Reply-To: <d527978f430bfac895771f0dd5edc50d@daniels-mara.com>
References: <d527978f430bfac895771f0dd5edc50d@daniels-mara.com>
Message-ID: <538771AF-C92C-428F-B5F7-F61A8697C7C7@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Jerry,

Sounds like a cache issue.
Did you try to set the htmlText of your field to empty rather than  
putting empty into the field?

Le 16 juil. 05 ? 18:39, Jerry Daniels a ?crit :

> Have this every happened to YOU?
>
> I've got a field with lots of images in it, thanks to the  
> imageSource property. Since all the images are in a folder, I'm  
> using the syntax:
>
>     set the imageSource of char x of fld y to ("binfile:" &  
> theFilePath)
>
> Works great. Works fast.
>
> But wait...there's a dark side.
>
> When the file that is being referenced by that imageSource call  
> changes content (but not it's file name!), the image in my field  
> will not reflect that new image content on screen as it is in the  
> file. It's as if the image data is being cached somewhere and I  
> can't force it to refresh.
>
> I've tried (in order of increasing desperation):
>
>    - putting empty into the field and re-drawing everything
>    - setting the imageSource to empty and then back to the binfile  
> reference
>    - setting alwaysBugger to false/true
>    - setting butterHiddenImages false/true
>    - making a standalone and trying it there (same result)
>    - reading the documentation
>    - reading every conceivable archive we have on the subject
>
> It's all quite mysterious. There's file-related image data  
> somewhere in memory and--although the file data has changed--it  
> remains the same when reference to it is made.
>
> Any ideas?


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From alex at tweedly.net  Sat Jul 16 13:08:53 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:08:53 +0100
Subject: imageSource images don't refresh if binfile type?
In-Reply-To: <d527978f430bfac895771f0dd5edc50d@daniels-mara.com>
References: <d527978f430bfac895771f0dd5edc50d@daniels-mara.com>
Message-ID: <42D93F25.4020308@tweedly.net>

Jerry Daniels wrote:

> Have this every happened to YOU?
>
> It's all quite mysterious. There's file-related image data somewhere 
> in memory and--although the file data has changed--it remains the same 
> when reference to it is made.
>
> Any ideas?


I'd check cachedURLs - or I might  go straight to
  unload ("binfile:" & theFilePath)

and see if that helps.

-- 
Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net



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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sat Jul 16 13:15:21 2005
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 10:15:21 -0700
Subject: imageSource images don't refresh if binfile type?
In-Reply-To: <d527978f430bfac895771f0dd5edc50d@daniels-mara.com>
Message-ID: <BEFE8EB9.1C74C%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Jerry Daniels  wrote:

> I've got a field with lots of images in it, thanks to the imageSource
> property. Since all the images are in a folder, I'm using the syntax:
> 
>    set the imageSource of char x of fld y to ("binfile:" & theFilePath)
> 
> Works great. Works fast.
> 
> But wait...there's a dark side.
> 
> When the file that is being referenced by that imageSource call changes
> content (but not it's file name!), the image in my field will not
> reflect that new image content on screen as it is in the file. It's as
> if the image data is being cached somewhere and I can't force it to
> refresh.

Three ideas:

- Did you try setting the imageSource to an alternate (bogus)
image/filename, and then setting back to the desired file?

- Maybe you could try a "go-between" image in the stack.  Set the filename
of the go-between, set the imageSource of the field item to the id of the
internal go-between, then set the imageSource back to the external file
reference.

- Heinous Workaround: use go-between images for *all* images used in the
field, set filenames of go-betweens appropriately, set imageSource
references to Ids of go-between images.  Requires a bit of overhead, I know,
but if nothing else works...


Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
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W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Sat Jul 16 13:37:55 2005
From: FlexibleLearning at aol.com (FlexibleLearning at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 13:37:55 EDT
Subject: Error message lesson
Message-ID: <141.4972c743.300a9ff3@aol.com>

I recently had this dos error message during a computer boot-up...
 
No keyboard detected
Press F1 to resume
 
Nice to know that humour still exists with low-level programmers, eh?
 
/H


From jerry at daniels-mara.com  Sat Jul 16 14:01:55 2005
From: jerry at daniels-mara.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 13:01:55 -0500
Subject: imageSource images don't refresh if binfile type?
In-Reply-To: <538771AF-C92C-428F-B5F7-F61A8697C7C7@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <d527978f430bfac895771f0dd5edc50d@daniels-mara.com>
	<538771AF-C92C-428F-B5F7-F61A8697C7C7@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <6f1a5527abdc478adb49f4754a147a5e@daniels-mara.com>

Thanks, Eric, for the suggestion.

I tried it and it does not solve the problem. I think i know why. The 
htmlText is not the problem, it's the reference to the imageData. Rev 
doesn't think there's any new data for the imageSource since it's the 
same file name. It just draws the same old image that is in memory. 
Doesn't get re-loaded from the file.

-JD

On Jul 16, 2005, at 12:05 PM, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi Jerry,
>
> Sounds like a cache issue.
> Did you try to set the htmlText of your field to empty rather than 
> putting empty into the field?
>
> Le 16 juil. 05 ? 18:39, Jerry Daniels a ?crit :
>
>> Have this every happened to YOU?
>>
>> I've got a field with lots of images in it, thanks to the imageSource 
>> property. Since all the images are in a folder, I'm using the syntax:
>>
>>     set the imageSource of char x of fld y to ("binfile:" & 
>> theFilePath)
>>
>> Works great. Works fast.
>>
>> But wait...there's a dark side.
>>
>> When the file that is being referenced by that imageSource call 
>> changes content (but not it's file name!), the image in my field will 
>> not reflect that new image content on screen as it is in the file. 
>> It's as if the image data is being cached somewhere and I can't force 
>> it to refresh.
>>
>> I've tried (in order of increasing desperation):
>>
>>    - putting empty into the field and re-drawing everything
>>    - setting the imageSource to empty and then back to the binfile 
>> reference
>>    - setting alwaysBugger to false/true
>>    - setting butterHiddenImages false/true
>>    - making a standalone and trying it there (same result)
>>    - reading the documentation
>>    - reading every conceivable archive we have on the subject
>>
>> It's all quite mysterious. There's file-related image data somewhere 
>> in memory and--although the file data has changed--it remains the 
>> same when reference to it is made.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>
>
> Best Regards from Paris,
>
> Eric Chatonet.
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From jerry at daniels-mara.com  Sat Jul 16 14:05:06 2005
From: jerry at daniels-mara.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 13:05:06 -0500
Subject: imageSource images don't refresh if binfile type?
In-Reply-To: <42D93F25.4020308@tweedly.net>
References: <d527978f430bfac895771f0dd5edc50d@daniels-mara.com>
	<42D93F25.4020308@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <fae54222530958dbea38e48b0e5ed5b1@daniels-mara.com>

Alex, thanks for the reply!

I had already tried that. Nothing in the cachedURLs and unload doesn't 
do it, either, as it believes there's no URL by that name.

-JD

On Jul 16, 2005, at 12:08 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> Jerry Daniels wrote:
>
>> Have this every happened to YOU?
>>
>> It's all quite mysterious. There's file-related image data somewhere 
>> in memory and--although the file data has changed--it remains the 
>> same when reference to it is made.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>
>
> I'd check cachedURLs - or I might  go straight to
>  unload ("binfile:" & theFilePath)
>
> and see if that helps.
>
> -- 
> Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net
>
>
>
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sat Jul 16 14:09:46 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:09:46 +0200
Subject: imageSource images don't refresh if binfile type?
In-Reply-To: <6f1a5527abdc478adb49f4754a147a5e@daniels-mara.com>
References: <d527978f430bfac895771f0dd5edc50d@daniels-mara.com>
	<538771AF-C92C-428F-B5F7-F61A8697C7C7@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<6f1a5527abdc478adb49f4754a147a5e@daniels-mara.com>
Message-ID: <17B3E3BE-9EAD-4123-9F92-269711730730@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Jerry,

I hoped that Rev would clear some internal "inaccessible" cache by  
clearing the htmlText since I know that you could not find anything  
in the cachedUrls (BTW it would have been a good catch Alex :-)
I did not try it but the first idea of Scott *should* work:

set the imageSource of char x of fld y to ("binfile:" & MyTempFile)

Let us know when you will have solved this issue :-)

Le 16 juil. 05 ? 20:01, Jerry Daniels a ?crit :

> I tried it and it does not solve the problem. I think i know why.  
> The htmlText is not the problem, it's the reference to the  
> imageData. Rev doesn't think there's any new data for the  
> imageSource since it's the same file name. It just draws the same  
> old image that is in memory. Doesn't get re-loaded from the file.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From jerry at daniels-mara.com  Sat Jul 16 14:44:52 2005
From: jerry at daniels-mara.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 13:44:52 -0500
Subject: imageSource images don't refresh if binfile type?
In-Reply-To: <BEFE8EB9.1C74C%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <BEFE8EB9.1C74C%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <2284051c16391143d5c598a88e15ac69@daniels-mara.com>

Scott, thanks for these ideas. They are all a bit more drastic than I 
had hoped, but desperation being what it is, I tried them all...

> - Did you try setting the imageSource to an alternate (bogus)
> image/filename, and then setting back to the desired file?
>
This one worked! There is evidently a cache somewhere for these images 
that are used as imagesource from a file location. This cleared the 
cache!

> - Maybe you could try a "go-between" image in the stack.  Set the 
> filename
> of the go-between, set the imageSource of the field item to the id of 
> the
> internal go-between, then set the imageSource back to the external file
> reference.
This one did NOT work, altho I tried it first for performance reasons.

> - Heinous Workaround: use go-between images for *all* images used in 
> the
> field, set filenames of go-betweens appropriately, set imageSource
> references to Ids of go-between images.  Requires a bit of overhead, I 
> know,
> but if nothing else works...
I am not doing this very solution, but am integrating the global nature 
of it. I'm setting the imageSource of all target chars to a bogus image 
file name and then setting them back to the real ones.

Thanks!

Jerry

On Jul 16, 2005, at 12:15 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Recently, Jerry Daniels  wrote:
>
>> I've got a field with lots of images in it, thanks to the imageSource
>> property. Since all the images are in a folder, I'm using the syntax:
>>
>>    set the imageSource of char x of fld y to ("binfile:" & 
>> theFilePath)
>>
>> Works great. Works fast.
>>
>> But wait...there's a dark side.
>>
>> When the file that is being referenced by that imageSource call 
>> changes
>> content (but not it's file name!), the image in my field will not
>> reflect that new image content on screen as it is in the file. It's as
>> if the image data is being cached somewhere and I can't force it to
>> refresh.
>
> Three ideas:
>
> - Did you try setting the imageSource to an alternate (bogus)
> image/filename, and then setting back to the desired file?
>
> - Maybe you could try a "go-between" image in the stack.  Set the 
> filename
> of the go-between, set the imageSource of the field item to the id of 
> the
> internal go-between, then set the imageSource back to the external file
> reference.
>
> - Heinous Workaround: use go-between images for *all* images used in 
> the
> field, set filenames of go-betweens appropriately, set imageSource
> references to Ids of go-between images.  Requires a bit of overhead, I 
> know,
> but if nothing else works...
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
> -----
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From chipp at chipp.com  Sat Jul 16 15:26:55 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 14:26:55 -0500
Subject: development tools question
In-Reply-To: <C35AFA87-271E-412A-B0E2-66375F166746@danshafer.com>
References: <1f5.dc02477.30096dab@aol.com>
	<C35AFA87-271E-412A-B0E2-66375F166746@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <42D95F7F.4070103@chipp.com>

For a number of various reasons, I don't make that one publicly 
available. I'm sure Dan can 'lend' you a copy if you really need it ;-)

-Chipp

Dan Shafer wrote:
> If you download Chipp Walters' mini-me plug-in, it is.
> 
> :-)
> 
> dan


From chipp at chipp.com  Sat Jul 16 15:59:38 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 14:59:38 -0500
Subject: imageSource images don't refresh if binfile type?
In-Reply-To: <2284051c16391143d5c598a88e15ac69@daniels-mara.com>
References: <BEFE8EB9.1C74C%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<2284051c16391143d5c598a88e15ac69@daniels-mara.com>
Message-ID: <42D9672A.3060203@chipp.com>

Hi Jerry,

Sorry I wasn't around last night for a chat. I had the exact same 
problem when building a 'skinnable' app, and for the life of me I 
couldn't understand why explicitly setting the URL filepath of an image 
wouldn't just 'update' it. As Scott recommends, I ended up setting it to 
  "" then back to the image and it worked. Glad to see things worked out :-)

Remember, *always* butter your buffer (or is it buff your butter?)

-Chipp


From yoursignup at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 16 16:27:59 2005
From: yoursignup at yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 10:27:59 -1000
Subject: On-line help
In-Reply-To: <1173694616.20050716094139@liv.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLIECBHJAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>

I'm not sure that it works anywhere but in HTML, but you might check out
overLIB. http://www.bosrup.com/web/overlib/ it's free and tooltips on
steroids. -Jim

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Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 10:42 PM
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Subject: On-line help



Dear All,

My software grows organically, as I add new features. Although modest,
I reach the pint where simple 'tool tips' are no longer enough help.
Rather than write a manual (yuch!) I'd prefer to include some on line
help. I wonder how you all do this..

Is there a tool that allows me to set up a LH tree and a RH contents
format?

Should I use a new substack just for help, or hidden fields

Could I use a help mode, where 'mouseOvers' bring up more detailed
field information (seems messy).

I'd be grateful for insight and thoughts about how you address this
problem.

Thanks

--
All best wishes,
Rob

(Created at 09:39 on 16/07/2005)



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From revdan at danshafer.com  Sat Jul 16 17:18:19 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 14:18:19 -0700
Subject: On-line help
In-Reply-To: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLIECBHJAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
References: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLIECBHJAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1C45A9DC-3640-4AB7-8139-FC80645784C1@danshafer.com>

Overlib is awesome. But it won't work without JavaScript.

Dan

On Jul 16, 2005, at 1:27 PM, Jim Bufalini wrote:

> I'm not sure that it works anywhere but in HTML, but you might  
> check out
> overLIB. http://www.bosrup.com/web/overlib/ it's free and tooltips on
> steroids. -Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of Rob  
> Beynon
> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 10:42 PM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: On-line help
>
>
>
> Dear All,
>
> My software grows organically, as I add new features. Although modest,
> I reach the pint where simple 'tool tips' are no longer enough help.
> Rather than write a manual (yuch!) I'd prefer to include some on line
> help. I wonder how you all do this..
>
> Is there a tool that allows me to set up a LH tree and a RH contents
> format?
>
> Should I use a new substack just for help, or hidden fields
>
> Could I use a help mode, where 'mouseOvers' bring up more detailed
> field information (seems messy).
>
> I'd be grateful for insight and thoughts about how you address this
> problem.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> All best wishes,
> Rob
>
> (Created at 09:39 on 16/07/2005)
>
>
>
> ==============================================================
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> Dept. Veterinary Preclinical        |+44 151 794 4243 (fax)
> Sciences, University of Liverpool,
> Crown Street, Liverpool L69 7ZJ     |mailto:r.beynon at liv.ac.uk
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From trevor at mangomultimedia.com  Sat Jul 16 18:14:59 2005
From: trevor at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 15:14:59 -0700
Subject: External for running one instance on windows
Message-ID: <75776ce0c091d314c34a74a6577c8363@mangomultimedia.com>

Hi people of the list,

I put together an external this morning that you can use to limit your  
application to one running instance on Windows.  It uses a mutex object  
on Windows which you can read about here:

<http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/ 
dllproc/base/using_mutex_objects.asp>

There is a readme with the archive but basically there are two handlers  
you use:

get ewinRegisterApp("My_App_Unique_String")
ewinUnregisterApp

You can ewinRegisterApp("My_App_Unique_String") when your app first  
launches.  If it returns true then there is only one instance of your  
app running.  If it returns false then another app has registered the  
same string (in this case "My_App_Unique_String") and you should quit.

When you quit your app you call ewinUnregisterApp to release the mutex  
object you created with ewinRegisterApp().

Now you may be asking yourself what would happen if your app crashes.   
Would ewinRegisterApp() still return false?  The answer is no, it would  
return true.  Windows knows that the app that created the original  
mutex object has gone the way of all misbehaved software and it will  
gladly give you control of the orphaned mutex object.

Anyway, I've tested this on Win XP so far and it seems to be working  
nicely.  Note that for every time you call ewinRegisterApp() in one app  
you need to call ewinUnregisterApp in order for another app to be able  
to have ewinRegisterApp() return true.  I may fix that, I may not.  It  
doesn't really bother me.

Anyway, you can download it at:

<http://www.mangomultimedia.com/download/revolution/enhancedwin/ 
EnhancedWin.zip>

There is also a command called ewinOpenURL in the external that will  
always do the right thing when trying to open a url or launch an email  
client on Windows.  You may find that useful as well.

If you have any questions or problems let me know.  If you want the  
source code you can have that too.  It was compiled with Visual C++  
.Net.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Multimedia
trevor at mangomultimedia.com



From revinfo1155 at aol.com  Sat Jul 16 18:56:28 2005
From: revinfo1155 at aol.com (revinfo1155 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:56:28 -0400
Subject: South-East US user group meeting
Message-ID: <8C75870BBE791CF-6FC-2E02@FWM-R30.sysops.aol.com>

A couple of weeks ago there was talk of a rev user group meeting in 
Atlanta on July 20th. Any updates and final details on that meeting?

jack


From pandonian at mindspring.com  Sun Jul 17 00:36:56 2005
From: pandonian at mindspring.com (peter andonian)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:36:56 -0700
Subject: Looking for a consultant/mentor
Message-ID: <E990EE92-7CD3-4696-9564-579F8E668C3C@mindspring.com>

I am looking for an experienced Runrev developer who can help me  
create an application to run my manufacturing business.  I would like  
to do a good portion of the work myself, but am not fully adept with  
runrev.  I do know hypercard quite well, so I do feel comfortable  
with transcript.  I need to have a multiuser setup, so someone who  
knows MySQL would be ideal.  I am in the Seattle area and would  
prefer someone local.  Please respond to my personal email,  
pandonian at mindspring.com , if you are interested.  Our company  
website is http://www.acceleratorindustries.com/


From andre.rombauts at skynet.be  Sun Jul 17 04:21:14 2005
From: andre.rombauts at skynet.be (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Rombauts?=)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 10:21:14 +0200
Subject: Resizing images
In-Reply-To: <E990EE92-7CD3-4696-9564-579F8E668C3C@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <200507170821.j6H8LGCF006815@outmx004.isp.belgacom.be>

Is there a plugin to allow images resizing inside a running application? The
purpose is to use the same image for various screen sizes? Storing different
images  according to the various screen sizes would be space consuming.

Andr?



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sun Jul 17 04:36:13 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 10:36:13 +0200
Subject: Resizing images
In-Reply-To: <200507170821.j6H8LGCF006815@outmx004.isp.belgacom.be>
References: <200507170821.j6H8LGCF006815@outmx004.isp.belgacom.be>
Message-ID: <B604A989-77AF-406B-8F7C-87B9FBFCB264@sosmartsoftware.com>

Bonjour Andr?,

I think you do not need a plugin.
If I understand correctly, get only one image (the wider one) and set  
the rect of your image to the screenRect.
Note that this can lead to the image being distorted.
If you are interested in images, proportional resizing, etc. you  
could have a look at my "How to store images" tutorial.
Access it with Tutorials Picker (available on Rev Online - user: So  
Smart Software) or download it from my website.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

Le 17 juil. 05 ? 10:21, Andr? Rombauts a ?crit :

> Is there a plugin to allow images resizing inside a running  
> application? The
> purpose is to use the same image for various screen sizes? Storing  
> different
> images  according to the various screen sizes would be space  
> consuming.

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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 17 08:07:10 2005
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 05:07:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Quarta Reports - in perspective
Message-ID: <20050717120710.58189.qmail@web60519.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi All,

In view of the recent discussion, this seems like a
good time to put everything into perspective. 

Let me end the speculation by saying that I did meet
with Paul Looney at MacWorld last year. We had a
delicious dinner and insightful conversation before he
gave me his demo of Reports Data Pro for HyperCard.

I thanked him for his advice, and acknowledged that
the reporting approach by 9-to-5 Reports / Reports
Data Pro was powerful and flexible, and that indeed it
"got it right" as an extension to HyperCard.

However, at no point in time did I promise I was going
to build a clone of Reports Data Pro. If Paul had
hired me to build one, and I had delivered Quartam
Reports instead, without the features that he holds so
dearly, I would have been a liar and he would have had
every right to be upset.

As it is, no money changed hands, and I have thanked
him for his advice, as I have thanked everyone
involved in the process of building Quartam Reports.
But this is a product which I developed myself, after
hours in addition to a demanding job -- I think that
gives me the right to decide the priorities. 

Nor did I make a secret of my intentions : I pointed
out (and repeated on multiple occasions, including the
FAQ on the website) that the world has changed
considerably since the birth of HyperCard -- the
ancestor to our beloved Revolution.

Revolution has added numerous technologies to the
original, so when I played around with version 1.1, I
immediately saw it had all those things that I missed
in HyperCard: database access, native color and
internet communication on a cross-platform engine.

This means that a clone for Reports Data Pro, while
valuable, would feel limiting to me. If someone had
shipped that, I would have said: "Cool, but what about
database and internet integration? And how can I print
data from XML-files? Do I really have to copy this
stuff into a stack before I can print it?"

So what is the ultimate reporting tool for one person
may not be the solution for another developer -- it is
all a matter of needs, not in the least those of your
current projects.

That being said, of course you can print data from a
stack if you prefer that as your data storage to an
SQL database. You don't have to jump through hoops or
copy data from one place to another : a single
printing command will go through the cards in your
stack and place the content on the layout you defined.

The only omission from the feature set in this regard
is scrolling fields. Now this can be separated into
two circumstances: you have a long memo field that you
want to print, or you have stored data in a table-like
field separated by return and tab or comma.

If you are looking to print data from a table field,
doanload the demo and check out the sample entitled
'Table form' -- this example shows you how you can
print this type of data with minimal scripting.

As for memo fields, allow me to put that into
perspective as well. At my previous job, the flagship
product (Finance/ERP) contained 319 different
pre-defined layouts, only 8 of which actually had
dynamically resizing fields.

The company that I work for now, offers more modules
than that, and has a dazzling total of 584 different
reports, and only 14 of those require dynamic
resizing. Don't worry, this does not mean that I
regard printing scrolling fields as superfluous --
they are just not ubiquitous.

Nevertheless, this is an aimportnt feature and that is
why I have committed to adding it to version 1.1,
which is offered as a FREE upgrade to all customers
(regardless of the price they pay) when it ships. With
so many items and features already in place, it is not
going to take me two years to get there.

So let's all focus on the good news: Quartam Reports
is finally here and packs a lot of power. Download and
evaluate it to see if it works for you. Join the Yahoo
group to see how others are using it. Try the samples
and decide for yourself. 

Let us not pollute the list anymore with expectations
that did not come true: feel free to email me directly
<jan.schenkel at quartam.com> to share your experiences,
discuss ideas and unfold wishlists, as some of you
have done already.

I will take them into account and see how they fit
into the roadmap, which already contains quite a few
exciting additions for the coming year.

We now return you to your regular broadcast of helpful
tips and tricks by the Revolution developer community.

Kind regards,

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam - Tools for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

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From yoursignup at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 17 08:29:47 2005
From: yoursignup at yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 02:29:47 -1000
Subject: Resizing images
In-Reply-To: <200507170821.j6H8LGCF006815@outmx004.isp.belgacom.be>
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGECGHJAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>

Andre,

Chip has a free altResizeImgLib that uses import, rect, and export, that you
might want to download from his altuit.com site and study to see how to do
this. Depending on your need, you may be able to just *start using* it as a
library.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of Andr?
Rombauts
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 10:21 PM
To: 'How to use Revolution'
Subject: Resizing images


Is there a plugin to allow images resizing inside a running application? The
purpose is to use the same image for various screen sizes? Storing different
images  according to the various screen sizes would be space consuming.

Andr?

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From yoursignup at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 17 08:43:41 2005
From: yoursignup at yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 02:43:41 -1000
Subject: Resizing images
In-Reply-To: <200507170821.j6H8LGCF006815@outmx004.isp.belgacom.be>
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLAECHHJAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>

Oh, one more thing... Use something like Eric's Resources Picker to search
recent posts to this list, with the words *import* and *offscreen* and *off
screen* to understand how to get rid of the flashing pictures you will see,
when you start using import programmatically. -Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of Andr?
Rombauts
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 10:21 PM
To: 'How to use Revolution'
Subject: Resizing images


Is there a plugin to allow images resizing inside a running application? The
purpose is to use the same image for various screen sizes? Storing different
images  according to the various screen sizes would be space consuming.

Andr?

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From gbojsza at gmail.com  Sun Jul 17 11:33:56 2005
From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 11:33:56 -0400
Subject: Quartam Reports Pricing
Message-ID: <3d8af415050717083370f6a885@mail.gmail.com>

I have been trying to find out what happen to the original pricing
offer of $199 (that was advertised for the last few months on
Quartam's site) for anyone that purchased Quartam Reports Pro if they
purchased it with in the first few weeks  of availability.

Revolution gives this offer only if purchased with other Revolution products.

If anyone can point me to the correct link or let me know how to
purchase it for the $199 price for early adopters I would appreciate
it. I've waited for some time for its release and now I can't seem to
purchase it.... I just don't want to miss out on the early special.

thanks,


From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Sun Jul 17 11:36:13 2005
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 11:36:13 -0400
Subject: Quarta Reports - in perspective
In-Reply-To: <20050717120710.58189.qmail@web60519.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BEFFF32D.D538%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

Jan:

I am a consummate 9 to 5 reports user but I never (even if I had hired you
to do so) would never have wanted just a clone of 9 to 5. Software has moved
on since then, as you said. Most of us store our data in MySQL or SQLite or
one of the other excellent multi-user databases that take care of all the
database handling stuff much better than HyperCard ever did. I am very
pleased with the ability of Quartam reports to pull data from SQL and I
haven't even looked into what it can do with XML yet.

My only feature request is the ability to import PDF's in the report
designer either by converting them and using them in a compatible vector
graphic or at least import them as a background that prints in the same
manner and which we can put data fields on top of.

Bill


On 7/17/05 8:07 AM, "Jan Schenkel" <janschenkel at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
>
> I thanked him for his advice, and acknowledged that
> the reporting approach by 9-to-5 Reports / Reports
> Data Pro was powerful and flexible, and that indeed it
> "got it right" as an extension to HyperCard.
> 




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Jul 17 11:41:32 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 08:41:32 -0700
Subject: External for running one instance on windows
In-Reply-To: <75776ce0c091d314c34a74a6577c8363@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <75776ce0c091d314c34a74a6577c8363@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <1751560483.20050717084132@ahsoftware.net>

Trevor-

Thanks for this. I've thought about doing this several times, but my
brain never got past trying to decide whether I wanted to use a mutex
or a critical section, and it always got stuffed onto a back burner.
I'll put this to work right away.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From gbojsza at gmail.com  Sun Jul 17 12:40:50 2005
From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:40:50 -0400
Subject: Option button changes look & feel
Message-ID: <3d8af415050717094020db40c@mail.gmail.com>

I have recently seen this happening with my option buttons on Windows XP.

In the IDE when I create an option button it seems to work fine ... ie
I pick from the list of options and the appearance of the option
button shows the selection and is in a normal state.

If I change the option button's opaque option and then change it back
to it's original selection (Rev's default) then the option button look
and feel changes.

After I select an option the selection is still hilited until I select
another object?

All I did was toggle the button's opaque feature... setting back to
its original setting and this happens?

Is this a bug or is there something cached?

thanks,


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 17 12:59:06 2005
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 09:59:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Quartam Reports Pricing
In-Reply-To: <3d8af415050717083370f6a885@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050717165906.98330.qmail@web60519.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Glen Bojsza <gbojsza at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have been trying to find out what happen to the
> original pricing
> offer of $199 (that was advertised for the last few
> months on
> Quartam's site) for anyone that purchased Quartam
> Reports Pro if they
> purchased it with in the first few weeks  of
> availability.
> 
> Revolution gives this offer only if purchased with
> other Revolution products.
> 
> If anyone can point me to the correct link or let me
> know how to
> purchase it for the $199 price for early adopters I
> would appreciate
> it. I've waited for some time for its release and
> now I can't seem to
> purchase it.... I just don't want to miss out on the
> early special.
> 
> thanks,
> 

Hi Glen,

Sorry to get back to you this late, but I had pressing
issues to attend -- the week prior to release left a
pile of unfinished items.

There is a bit of pricing confusion, which I'm
clearing up with the good people behind the RR
webstore. I will also be adding more payment options
this coming week.

I will contact you off-list for more details.

Best regards,

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam - Tools for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

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From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Sun Jul 17 12:59:57 2005
From: FlexibleLearning at aol.com (FlexibleLearning at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:59:57 EDT
Subject: [TIDBIT] Group grab and drag
Message-ID: <87.2bbd3a39.300be88d@aol.com>

A tidbit for your Scripter's Scrapbook:
- How to use the mouse to grab and drag a scrolling group
(see also the 'Grab' command in the Transcript dictionary to grab and  drag 
an object)

Put this in the script of your scrolling group...
 
-----
local GrabMe,xOff,yOff

on mouseDown
put "true" into  GrabMe
put item 1 of the mouseLoc into xOff
put item 2 of  the mouseLoc into yOff
end mouseDown

on mouseMove x,y
if  GrabMe then
if the mouse is "up"  then
put "false" into  GrabMe
exit mouseMove
end if
set the hScroll of me to (the hScroll of me + xOff  - x)
set the vScroll of me to (the vScroll of me + yOff -  y)
put x into xoff
put y into  yoff
end if
end mouseMove
-----


/H
The Scripter's  Scrapbook
www.FlexibleLearning.com/ssbk.htm
 


From revolution at derbrill.de  Sun Jul 17 13:27:12 2005
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 19:27:12 +0200
Subject: ArcadeEngine chat
In-Reply-To: <20050717123653.6373E824F86@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <0292DB9B-F6E8-11D9-8827-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>

Hi list,

the chatRev on ArcadeEngine starts now. If you want to join, download a 
client here.

http://chatrev.bjoernke.com

Regards,

Malte 



From see3d at writeme.com  Sun Jul 17 13:31:45 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 13:31:45 -0400
Subject: Naming conventions
In-Reply-To: <772230256.20050703091048@ahsoftware.net>
References: <BEDF36E2.22916%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<42B9F622.1070900@fourthworld.com>
	<54636F70-A1B2-44A0-8C42-40536025E3E7@writeme.com>
	<772230256.20050703091048@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <ECD7A584-7FDA-4D25-9418-543E262A17B7@writeme.com>

Mark/All,

Is there any advantage to putting the main block of comments outside  
the handler vs inside the handler?

Dennis

On Jul 3, 2005, at 12:10 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Dennis-
>
> To add to your discussion of conventions:
>
> I've got a standard format for commenting my handlers that looks like
>
> --------------------------------------------
> -- HandlerName
> --
> -- Description of this block of code
> -- Uses: any global values used or external variables modified
> -- Returns: description of return value for functions
> -- Usage:
> --   HandlerName parameters
> --------------------------------------------
>
> as in:
>
> --------------------------------------------
> -- assertNotEqual
> --
> -- Causes a runtime error in the IDE if the
> -- arguments are not the same.
> --
> -- Usage:
> --
> -- on MyTest pValue
> --   assertNotEqual pValue, zero
> --   put 1000 / pValue into gSomeGlobal
> -- end MyTest
> --------------------------------------------
>
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
>
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From ps1 at softseven.org  Sun Jul 17 17:12:23 2005
From: ps1 at softseven.org (Paul Salyers)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 14:12:23 -0700
Subject: screen position 
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20050717135718.0235a378@softseven.org>

I found a problem with Rev.

this below code open my stack to the screen width X height.

on preOpenStack
   -- get users screen size -- left,top,width,height

   put the screenrect into tScreenSize

   -- *Note: screenrect is the working size of the window NOT including 
borders.
   -- For this reason we set the parameters as follows.

   set itemDel to ","
   put item 3 of tScreenSize into tWidth
   put item 4 of tScreenSize into tHeight
   set the rect of this stack to 2,28,tWidth-2,tHeight-4
   go to card 1
end preOpenStack



BUT

when I change screen displays, from 1024 X 768 to 800 X 600 the program 
migrated to different locations.

I like to know how to keep my fields in the same locations of the screen 
proportional.

EX:

1024 X 768 -Screen

[My Field] will stay centered on 800 X 600 screen.

Can this be done.

Paul Salyers
PS1 - Senior Rep.
PS1 at softseven.org
Http://ps1.SoftSeven.org  




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Sun Jul 17 15:25:01 2005
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:25:01 -0700
Subject: External for running one instance on windows
In-Reply-To: <1751560483.20050717084132@ahsoftware.net>
References: <75776ce0c091d314c34a74a6577c8363@mangomultimedia.com>
	<1751560483.20050717084132@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <6C9C84FF-033B-4B73-8D0B-BE89DE751A0A@mangomultimedia.com>

On Jul 17, 2005, at 8:41 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Trevor-
>
> Thanks for this. I've thought about doing this several times, but my
> brain never got past trying to decide whether I wanted to use a mutex
> or a critical section, and it always got stuffed onto a back burner.
> I'll put this to work right away.

I don't know what a critical section is so it made the decision much  
easier :-)


-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Multimedia
trevor at mangomultimedia.com




From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sun Jul 17 15:38:58 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:38:58 +0200
Subject: screen position 
In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20050717135718.0235a378@softseven.org>
References: <6.1.1.1.2.20050717135718.0235a378@softseven.org>
Message-ID: <75B18E48-138B-4028-A6E3-AC4E7BFA7849@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Paul,

There are many ways.
Have a look at the geometry features.

 From the Doc's FAQs brought to you by Resources Picker (keyword:  
geometry, section: FAQs):

1. How do I pin an object to a window edge during window resizing?

You use the Geometry pane in an object's property inspector to keep  
the object a specified distance from one of the window's edges. In  
the object's property inspector, choose "Geometry" from the menu at  
the top, then follow these steps:

1. Click the "Position selected object" option. In the Geometry pane,  
you see a picture of a window, with a rectangle representing the  
object in the middle.

2. Click the gray bar leading from the object to the right or bottom  
edge of the window (or both), to turn the gray bar red.

When you resize the window, the object moves automatically to keep  
the same distance from the window edge.

----------------

2. How do I automatically adjust objects when a window is resized?

You use the Geometry pane of an object's property inspector to  
automatically adjust the size and position of the object when the  
user resizes a window.

To automatically adjust object layout, open the object's property  
inspector and choose "Geometry" from the menu at the top. You can  
either move or reposition the object automatically.

   Tip:  If you want to perform custom adjustments that are too  
complex for the Geometry pane, create a resizeStack handler in the  
card or stack script, and write statements to properly move the  
objects. The resizeStack message is sent to the current card whenever  
a stack window is resized.

----------------

For all these kinds of questions, you could be interested too by my  
tutorial about resizing.
Rev On line - user: So Smart Software or my website.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

Le 17 juil. 05 ? 23:12, Paul Salyers a ?crit :

> I like to know how to keep my fields in the same locations of the  
> screen proportional.
>
> EX:
>
> 1024 X 768 -Screen
>
> [My Field] will stay centered on 800 X 600 screen.

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From CSZASZ at kcs.kana.k12.wv.us  Sun Jul 17 16:01:11 2005
From: CSZASZ at kcs.kana.k12.wv.us (CHARLES W SZASZ)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 16:01:11 -0400
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 22, Issue 78
In-Reply-To: <20050717170003.C7BCC824FA9@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050717170003.C7BCC824FA9@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <WorldClient-F200507171601.AA01111161@kcs.kana.k12.wv.us>

I have also been waiting for a long time for Quartam Reports Pro and would like to get the 
special price of $199. I also cannot find this special price at the Revolution site, which is the 
seller of Quartam Reports Pro.

Charles Szasz
Lead School Psychologist and Section 504 Coordinator
Kanawha County Schools
(304) 348-7770, Ext. 347


> From: Glen Bojsza <gbojsza at gmail.com>
> Subject: Quartam Reports Pricing
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Message-ID: <3d8af415050717083370f6a885 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> I have been trying to find out what happen to the original pricing
> offer of $199 (that was advertised for the last few months on
> Quartam's site) for anyone that purchased Quartam Reports Pro if they
> purchased it with in the first few weeks  of availability.
> 
> Revolution gives this offer only if purchased with other Revolution
> products.
> 
> If anyone can point me to the correct link or let me know how to
> purchase it for the $199 price for early adopters I would appreciate
> it. I've waited for some time for its release and now I can't seem to
> purchase it.... I just don't want to miss out on the early special.
> 
> thanks,
> 
> 
> ------------------------------




From abecedarian at mac.com  Sun Jul 17 16:20:11 2005
From: abecedarian at mac.com (Russell Martin)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 14:20:11 -0600
Subject: Tables: Number of Columns?
In-Reply-To: <42D45F3F.7070400@tweedly.net>
References: <42D45F3F.7070400@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <65A56832-F2DD-4786-923C-662E46AFB0A9@mac.com>

How do you specify the number of columns that you want in a table  
object? I've been playing around with this and reading the  
documentation and I can't seem to change the default of 3 columns  
that I got just by dragging the control onto the window. Also, does  
anyone know of a good resource for learning how to use table fields?

Thanks in advance.

===========================
Russ Martin
abecedarian at mac.com
russell_martin at yahoo.com



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sun Jul 17 17:24:55 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 23:24:55 +0200
Subject: Tables: Number of Columns?
In-Reply-To: <65A56832-F2DD-4786-923C-662E46AFB0A9@mac.com>
References: <42D45F3F.7070400@tweedly.net>
	<65A56832-F2DD-4786-923C-662E46AFB0A9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <28A8C8BF-E64C-4498-9AB6-B34B55847D81@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Russell,

At the moment, table fields do not work as we could expect with Rev.
But many things can be done with them that you take care of some  
undocumented features.
You might be interested in the "How to Manage Table Fields" tutorial  
accessible with Tutorials Picker.
You will find Tutorials Picker on Rev Online - user: So Smart Software.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

Le 17 juil. 05 ? 22:20, Russell Martin a ?crit :

> How do you specify the number of columns that you want in a table  
> object? I've been playing around with this and reading the  
> documentation and I can't seem to change the default of 3 columns  
> that I got just by dragging the control onto the window. Also, does  
> anyone know of a good resource for learning how to use table fields?

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From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Sun Jul 17 18:37:33 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:37:33 +1000
Subject: funtions on windows
In-Reply-To: <a06200700befd3d71bda2@[195.195.177.148]>
References: <a06200700befd3d71bda2@[195.195.177.148]>
Message-ID: <FD62FDC4-3A56-41BE-B5F8-A8FB92772820@genesearch.com.au>

On 15/07/2005, at 8:25 PM, Muaadh salih wrote:

> My apology for the typos of yesterday message .
>  Still upon further investigation  we found that  the following  
> function:
> -----------------
>
> function plural count, textw
>   if count <> 1 then put "s" after textw
>   if count = 0 then put "no" into count
>   return  count && textw
> end plural
> -------------------
>   works perfectly on Rev 2.6 on Mac G4 with OSX 10.3.9. However it  
> does not work on Rev. 2.6 on Windows XP ( when called : Plural ( 3,  
> "Book") it returns  ( 3 s) only
> again is this a bug on the XP version ?!
>

I have heard of problems when there is a space between the function  
name and the opening bracket.
Try: plural(3, "Book") and see if that fixes it.

Sarah



From chipp at chipp.com  Sun Jul 17 19:42:22 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 18:42:22 -0500
Subject: [TIDBIT] Group grab and drag
In-Reply-To: <87.2bbd3a39.300be88d@aol.com>
References: <87.2bbd3a39.300be88d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <42DAECDE.2040003@chipp.com>

Hugh,

Does it make more sense to add:

on mouseUp
   if GrabMe is true then set GrabMe to false
   pass mouseUp
end if

on mouseRelease
   mouseUp
   pass mouseRelease
end mouseRelease

rather than checking for the mouseUp state in the mouseMove handler? 
That way you are 'constantly polling' mouseUp.

Just my 2 cents...

best,

Chipp

FlexibleLearning at aol.com wrote:
> A tidbit for your Scripter's Scrapbook:
> - How to use the mouse to grab and drag a scrolling group
> (see also the 'Grab' command in the Transcript dictionary to grab and  drag 
> an object)
> 
> Put this in the script of your scrolling group...
>  
> -----
> local GrabMe,xOff,yOff
> 
> on mouseDown
> put "true" into  GrabMe
> put item 1 of the mouseLoc into xOff
> put item 2 of  the mouseLoc into yOff
> end mouseDown
> 
> on mouseMove x,y
> if  GrabMe then
> if the mouse is "up"  then
> put "false" into  GrabMe
> exit mouseMove
> end if
> set the hScroll of me to (the hScroll of me + xOff  - x)
> set the vScroll of me to (the vScroll of me + yOff -  y)
> put x into xoff
> put y into  yoff
> end if
> end mouseMove


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 18 03:25:18 2005
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 00:25:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 22, Issue 78
In-Reply-To: <WorldClient-F200507171601.AA01111161@kcs.kana.k12.wv.us>
Message-ID: <20050718072519.10958.qmail@web60513.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi All,

Hold on a second here -- I hadn't throughly read all
these emails about pricing, and figured they were a
consequence of the runrev webstore country check.

But I do not recall offering Quartam Reports at $199
-- in fact, I checked my archives, and while prices
have dropped (Express was originally $149, and Pro was
$349 in November of last year) the Pro edition has
never gone below $249.

However, I have extended the introductory price from
three weeks after launch originally, to match the
offers at the RunRev webstore (August 25).

Runtime Revolution indeed has a special offer to get
Quartam Reports Pro for $199, but only if there is a
Revolution Enterprise in the mix.

New payment methods will be available later this week.

Best regards,

Jan Schenkel.
--
Quartam - Tools for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>


--- CHARLES W SZASZ <CSZASZ at kcs.kana.k12.wv.us> wrote:

> I have also been waiting for a long time for Quartam
> Reports Pro and would like to get the 
> special price of $199. I also cannot find this
> special price at the Revolution site, which is the 
> seller of Quartam Reports Pro.
> 
> Charles Szasz
> Lead School Psychologist and Section 504 Coordinator
> Kanawha County Schools
> (304) 348-7770, Ext. 347
> 
> 
> > From: Glen Bojsza <gbojsza at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Quartam Reports Pricing
> > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Message-ID:
> <3d8af415050717083370f6a885 at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> > 
> > I have been trying to find out what happen to the
> original pricing
> > offer of $199 (that was advertised for the last
> few months on
> > Quartam's site) for anyone that purchased Quartam
> Reports Pro if they
> > purchased it with in the first few weeks  of
> availability.
> > 
> > Revolution gives this offer only if purchased with
> other Revolution
> > products.
> > 
> > If anyone can point me to the correct link or let
> me know how to
> > purchase it for the $199 price for early adopters
> I would appreciate
> > it. I've waited for some time for its release and
> now I can't seem to
> > purchase it.... I just don't want to miss out on
> the early special.
> > 
> > thanks,
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------
> 
> 
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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 18 03:47:16 2005
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 00:47:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Quartam Reports pricing
In-Reply-To: <WorldClient-F200507171601.AA01111161@kcs.kana.k12.wv.us>
Message-ID: <20050718074716.39402.qmail@web60517.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi All,

Hold on a second here -- I hadn't throughly read all
these emails about pricing, and figured they were a
consequence of the runrev webstore country check.

But I do not recall offering Quartam Reports at $199
-- in fact, I checked my archives, and while prices
have dropped (Express was originally $149, and Pro was
$349 in November of last year) the Pro edition has
never gone below $249.

However, I have extended the introductory price from
three weeks after launch originally, to match the
offers at the RunRev webstore (August 25).

Runtime Revolution indeed has a special offer to get
Quartam Reports Pro for $199, but only if there is a
Revolution Enterprise in the mix.

New payment methods will be available later this week.

Best regards,

Jan Schenkel.
--
Quartam - Tools for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>


--- CHARLES W SZASZ <CSZASZ at kcs.kana.k12.wv.us> wrote:

> I have also been waiting for a long time for Quartam
> Reports Pro and would like to get the 
> special price of $199. I also cannot find this
> special price at the Revolution site, which is the 
> seller of Quartam Reports Pro.
> 
> Charles Szasz
> Lead School Psychologist and Section 504 Coordinator
> Kanawha County Schools
> (304) 348-7770, Ext. 347
> 
> 
> > From: Glen Bojsza <gbojsza at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Quartam Reports Pricing
> > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Message-ID:
> <3d8af415050717083370f6a885 at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> > 
> > I have been trying to find out what happen to the
> original pricing
> > offer of $199 (that was advertised for the last
> few months on
> > Quartam's site) for anyone that purchased Quartam
> Reports Pro if they
> > purchased it with in the first few weeks  of
> availability.
> > 
> > Revolution gives this offer only if purchased with
> other Revolution
> > products.
> > 
> > If anyone can point me to the correct link or let
> me know how to
> > purchase it for the $199 price for early adopters
> I would appreciate
> > it. I've waited for some time for its release and
> now I can't seem to
> > purchase it.... I just don't want to miss out on
> the early special.
> > 
> > thanks,
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr  Mon Jul 18 04:54:51 2005
From: jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:54:51 +0200
Subject: CGI to send back a file to save
References: <C3D3A8E1-66F4-4430-80F6-40EAB1DA11CA@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <42DB6E59.3172293E@Club-Internet.fr>

Hi,

I'm a bit late on this thread, but I have some code that
might help.
What I actually do is generate on-the-fly pdf files with
Rev cgi, and users get the usual WinXP dialog asking
what they want to do with the file, save it or open it :

put "Content-Type: application/pdf" & cr & "Content-Length : " & number of chars of myPDF &
cr & "Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=" &q& myRequestName &q & cr & cr

q contains the quote char.

the above line works well under WinXP and MacOSX.
I guess a few mods (in Content-Type mostly) may solve
your problem...

Best,
JB


> Short version: I need to know the proper HTTP header to set to force
> a browser to save the incoming data to a file. (at least I *think*
> that's what I need to know.)
>
> Long Scenario:
>
> Goal: create a CGI that responds to a GET request that will
> automatically generate a
>
> fooSoundFile.ram  "file in a variable"
>
>   based on the query string e.g.
>
> $QUERY_STRING = audioFile=hawaii_papayas.mp3
>
> then the .ram filename should be "hawaii_papayas.ram"
>
> and contain the string:
>
> "http://www.himalayanacademy.com/audio/tropical_fruit_music/
> hawaii_papayas.mp3"
>
> [you should hear those papayas sing!]
>
> Now, generating all that is a easy enough.
>
> But the usual scenario is that you have all these .ram files prebuilt
> (which is what I am trying to avoid. Old .ram files lying around the
> web site are a *big* nuisance to maintain....) and the user clicks on
> a link
>
> <a href="/audio/tropical_fruit_music/hawaii_papayas.ram">Real Player</a>
>
> and the .ram file is downloaded-saved to the client side disk... Real
> Player is mapped to .ram in the internet helper apps, boots and reads
> this file and streams the audio.
>
> I want the CGI to take over that process and serve the .ram file
> dynamically.
>
> OK, so all I know how to do is:
>
> put "http://www.himalayanacademy.com/audio/tropical_fruit_music/
> hawaii_papayas.mp3" into tRamFile
> http://www.himalayanacademy.com/audio/tropical_fruit_music/
> hawaii_papayas.mp3
>
>    put "Content-Type: text/plain" & cr
>    put "Content-Length:" && the length of tRamFile & cr & cr
>    put tRamFile
>
> of course this is not going to work... that string will appear as a
> literal in the user's browser.  is it as simple as something like:
>
> # just guessing.. I haven't a clue...
>
>    put "Content-Type: binary/file" & cr
>    put "Content-Length:" && the length of tRamFile & cr & cr
>    put tRamFile
>
> # where the browser can't read it, so it saves it
>
> ??
>
> i.e. we can of course do a redirect, like this:
> put
> "http://www.himalayanacademy.com/audio/tropical_fruit_music/
> hawaii_papayas.mp3" into tRamFile
> put tRamFile into url ("file:" & "audio/tropical_fruit_music/
> hawaii_papayas.ram")
>
>    put "Status: 301 Moved Permanently" & cr
>    put "Location: "  & http://www.himalayanacademy.com/audio/
> tropical_fruit_music/hawaii_papayas.ram" & cr & cr
>
> But, then I end up once again, with all these .ram files on disk...
> so I was hoping to find a way to pipe it straight out of the CGI...
> i.e. to take what is coming back from port 80 and save it instead of
> trying to render it...maybe this is the wrong place to ask this... I
> will take it to Experts-Exchange if no one here knows.
>
> TIA
>
> Sivakatirswami
>
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From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Mon Jul 18 06:23:05 2005
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:23:05 +0100
Subject: How do I get the resolution of an image accessed by a Player?
In-Reply-To: <42DB6E59.3172293E@Club-Internet.fr>
References: <C3D3A8E1-66F4-4430-80F6-40EAB1DA11CA@hindu.org>
	<42DB6E59.3172293E@Club-Internet.fr>
Message-ID: <a05210601bf011eeadd39@[192.168.80.101]>

Hi,

I am open ing a TIFF file via a "player" object, I can get the Width 
and Height of the image with the "formattedWidth"/"Height" 
properties, but how can I get the resolution or DPI?

Thanks in Advance
Dave


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Mon Jul 18 07:07:47 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:07:47 +0200
Subject: How do I get the resolution of an image accessed by a Player?
In-Reply-To: <a05210601bf011eeadd39@[192.168.80.101]>
References: <C3D3A8E1-66F4-4430-80F6-40EAB1DA11CA@hindu.org>
	<42DB6E59.3172293E@Club-Internet.fr>
	<a05210601bf011eeadd39@[192.168.80.101]>
Message-ID: <2AAE2522-C223-495C-B950-9619C72FABF6@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Dave,

Resolution depends on the ratio between the actual size and the  
current size of the image.
If the current size is the actual size, the resolution is 72 DPI with  
most monitors.
At half size 144 DPI, etc.
With Rev objects all this does not make sense since I think Rev  
recalculates all prints at 72 DPI when they are resized.
All things change when you want to print a TIFF image from the actual  
file by using the printer prefs. Then it works as above.
But within Rev, you always get a 72 DPI resolution.
I'm not a specialist of these things, others will correct me and  
bring to you more precise information.
It's just my two cents.

Le 18 juil. 05 ? 12:23, David Burgun a ?crit :

> I am open ing a TIFF file via a "player" object, I can get the  
> Width and Height of the image with the "formattedWidth"/"Height"  
> properties, but how can I get the resolution or DPI?

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Mon Jul 18 07:17:02 2005
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:17:02 +0100
Subject: How do I get the resolution of an image accessed by a Player?
In-Reply-To: <2AAE2522-C223-495C-B950-9619C72FABF6@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <C3D3A8E1-66F4-4430-80F6-40EAB1DA11CA@hindu.org>
	<42DB6E59.3172293E@Club-Internet.fr>
	<a05210601bf011eeadd39@[192.168.80.101]>
	<2AAE2522-C223-495C-B950-9619C72FABF6@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <a05210602bf013f85862e@[192.168.80.101]>

Hi,

I just need to display the current resolution with in the image (e.g 
the TIFF property), I am not going to change the DPI or use it to 
scale an image, it's just that we have the same images but with 
different resolutions and displaying the DPI of the underlying file 
is the best way to tell the difference.

Thanks a lot
Dave

>Hi Dave,
>
>Resolution depends on the ratio between the actual size and the 
>current size of the image.
>If the current size is the actual size, the resolution is 72 DPI 
>with most monitors.
>At half size 144 DPI, etc.
>With Rev objects all this does not make sense since I think Rev 
>recalculates all prints at 72 DPI when they are resized.
>All things change when you want to print a TIFF image from the 
>actual file by using the printer prefs. Then it works as above.
>But within Rev, you always get a 72 DPI resolution.
>I'm not a specialist of these things, others will correct me and 
>bring to you more precise information.
>It's just my two cents.
>
>Le 18 juil. 05 ? 12:23, David Burgun a ?crit :
>
>>I am open ing a TIFF file via a "player" object, I can get the 
>>Width and Height of the image with the "formattedWidth"/"Height" 
>>properties, but how can I get the resolution or DPI?
>
>Best Regards from Paris,
>
>Eric Chatonet.
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From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Mon Jul 18 07:32:21 2005
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:32:21 -0400
Subject: Quartam Reports pricing
In-Reply-To: <20050718074716.39402.qmail@web60517.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BF010B85.D586%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

Also there is a place were people can download your program and try it out
first? Can you past that link here as well as how long does it work in trial
version?

Bill


On 7/18/05 3:47 AM, "Jan Schenkel" <janschenkel at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> Hold on a second here -- I hadn't throughly read all
> these emails about pricing, and figured they were a
> consequence of the runrev webstore country check.
> 
> But I do not recall offering Quartam Reports at $199
> -- in fact, I checked my archives, and while prices
> have dropped (Express was originally $149, and Pro was
> $349 in November of last year) the Pro edition has
> never gone below $249.
> 
> However, I have extended the introductory price from
> three weeks after launch originally, to match the
> offers at the RunRev webstore (August 25).
> 
> Runtime Revolution indeed has a special offer to get
> Quartam Reports Pro for $199, but only if there is a
> Revolution Enterprise in the mix.
> 
> New payment methods will be available later this week.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Jan Schenkel.
> --
> Quartam - Tools for Revolution
> <http://www.quartam.com>
> 
> 
> --- CHARLES W SZASZ <CSZASZ at kcs.kana.k12.wv.us> wrote:
> 
>> I have also been waiting for a long time for Quartam
>> Reports Pro and would like to get the
>> special price of $199. I also cannot find this
>> special price at the Revolution site, which is the
>> seller of Quartam Reports Pro.
>> 
>> Charles Szasz
>> Lead School Psychologist and Section 504 Coordinator
>> Kanawha County Schools
>> (304) 348-7770, Ext. 347
>> 
>> 
>>> From: Glen Bojsza <gbojsza at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Quartam Reports Pricing
>>> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Message-ID:
>> <3d8af415050717083370f6a885 at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>> 
>>> I have been trying to find out what happen to the
>> original pricing
>>> offer of $199 (that was advertised for the last
>> few months on
>>> Quartam's site) for anyone that purchased Quartam
>> Reports Pro if they
>>> purchased it with in the first few weeks  of
>> availability.
>>> 
>>> Revolution gives this offer only if purchased with
>> other Revolution
>>> products.
>>> 
>>> If anyone can point me to the correct link or let
>> me know how to
>>> purchase it for the $199 price for early adopters
>> I would appreciate
>>> it. I've waited for some time for its release and
>> now I can't seem to
>>> purchase it.... I just don't want to miss out on
>> the early special.
>>> 
>>> thanks,
>>> 
>>> 
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>> 
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From brad at activadesign.com  Mon Jul 18 09:53:37 2005
From: brad at activadesign.com (Brad Borch)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:53:37 -0400
Subject: embed/install font
Message-ID: <dbgc5k$uv9$1@sea.gmane.org>

I'm creating a presentation and I need to be sure the user has access to 
a Unicode font. I'd like to standardize on Bitstream's Vera font, which 
is free and very good.

1) Is there any way to access the font dynamically without installing it 
on the user's system? A while ago there was a thread "Own fontsuite with 
standalone?" Several authors referenced the EXT.dll as a way to 
dynamically access fonts on the PC. How is this done? Has anyone 
successfully employed this technique?

2) If I can't access it dynamically, how do I install it? I purchased 
InstallGadget, but that currently doesn't update the Windows registry 
upon installation.

Any ideas on how to address this problem would be greatly appreciated.

Brad



From klaus at major-k.de  Mon Jul 18 10:24:21 2005
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:24:21 +0200
Subject: How do I get the resolution of an image accessed by a Player?
In-Reply-To: <a05210602bf013f85862e@[192.168.80.101]>
References: <C3D3A8E1-66F4-4430-80F6-40EAB1DA11CA@hindu.org>
	<42DB6E59.3172293E@Club-Internet.fr>
	<a05210601bf011eeadd39@[192.168.80.101]>
	<2AAE2522-C223-495C-B950-9619C72FABF6@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<a05210602bf013f85862e@[192.168.80.101]>
Message-ID: <A07528B7-032A-48A2-8E94-6D8FF0D9E136@major-k.de>

Hi David,

> Hi,
>
> I just need to display the current resolution with in the image (e.g
> the TIFF property), I am not going to change the DPI or use it to
> scale an image, it's just that we have the same images but with
> different resolutions and displaying the DPI of the underlying file
> is the best way to tell the difference.

i don't think that you can check the resolution with Rev's build in  
capabilities.

Like most (non image edititing) apps, Rev is only aware of 72 DPI and  
does
not know about "resolution" per se... Rev will always display images  
at 72 DPI!

You could use Alex Tweedley's nice "EXIF Lib" (via Rev online, i  
think) or use Applescript
& "Image Events" on a mac to retrieve image resolution (and more...)

> Thanks a lot
> Dave

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Mon Jul 18 11:32:18 2005
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:32:18 +0100
Subject: Problem with Editable Fields
In-Reply-To: <dbgc5k$uv9$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <dbgc5k$uv9$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <a05210603bf0179c9369c@[192.168.80.101]>

Hi,

I have the a number of fields in a card that have to be range 
checked, to do this i have the following code:

on openField
set the cpSaveTextOfMe to the text of me
end openField

on closeField
if (the text of me < 0) or (the text of me > 999) then
   set the text of me to the cpSaveTextOfMe of me
   select the text of me
   beep
end closeField


There is also a "Done" Button that has this script:

on mouseUp
save this stack
close this stack
end mouseUp

If I enter an invalid number and then click in another field, I get 
beep and the contents of the field are restored and all is well. 
However, if I enter an invalid number and then click the "Done" 
button, it looks like the "mouseUp" handler is run BEFORE the 
"closeField" handler. Since the value stored in the stack is the 
invalid data. Is this the correct action? If so, what is the best way 
to make this work so that bad values are not saved in the stack. I 
really don't want to have to validate all fields from the "Done" and 
other buttons on the card.

Thanks in Advance
Dave


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Mon Jul 18 11:39:06 2005
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:39:06 -0700
Subject: embed/install font
In-Reply-To: <dbgc5k$uv9$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <dbgc5k$uv9$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <p06230902bf017d347889@[192.168.1.104]>

I remember the days long ago in Hypercard where you could install a 
font as a resource in a stack, and it 'just worked', even though we 
were warned not to for some reason.
sqb

>I'm creating a presentation and I need to be sure the user has 
>access to a Unicode font. I'd like to standardize on Bitstream's 
>Vera font, which is free and very good.
>
>1) Is there any way to access the font dynamically without 
>installing it on the user's system? A while ago there was a thread 
>"Own fontsuite with standalone?" Several authors referenced the 
>EXT.dll as a way to dynamically access fonts on the PC. How is this 
>done? Has anyone successfully employed this technique?
>
>2) If I can't access it dynamically, how do I install it? I 
>purchased InstallGadget, but that currently doesn't update the 
>Windows registry upon installation.
>
>Any ideas on how to address this problem would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Brad


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Mon Jul 18 11:42:01 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:42:01 +0200
Subject: Problem with Editable Fields
In-Reply-To: <a05210603bf0179c9369c@[192.168.80.101]>
References: <dbgc5k$uv9$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<a05210603bf0179c9369c@[192.168.80.101]>
Message-ID: <67CD6A0D-11F2-4FE3-830B-9FDDFC13D746@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Dave,

May be another approach, more ergonomic, could help you:
Just allow numbers to be typed into your field with a generic handler  
like the following:

on keyDown pKey
   if pKey is an integer and the number of chars of target < 3 then  
pass keyDown
end keyDown

It's only to get you started: you will find you have probably to  
build a rawKeyDown handler to be more precise and manage the current  
selection (if the user selects a portion and wants to type in).

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

Le 18 juil. 05 ? 17:32, David Burgun a ?crit :

> I have the a number of fields in a card that have to be range  
> checked, to do this i have the following code:
>
> on openField
> set the cpSaveTextOfMe to the text of me
> end openField
>
> on closeField
> if (the text of me < 0) or (the text of me > 999) then
>   set the text of me to the cpSaveTextOfMe of me
>   select the text of me
>   beep
> end closeField
>
>
> There is also a "Done" Button that has this script:
>
> on mouseUp
> save this stack
> close this stack
> end mouseUp
>
> If I enter an invalid number and then click in another field, I get  
> beep and the contents of the field are restored and all is well.  
> However, if I enter an invalid number and then click the "Done"  
> button, it looks like the "mouseUp" handler is run BEFORE the  
> "closeField" handler. Since the value stored in the stack is the  
> invalid data. Is this the correct action? If so, what is the best  
> way to make this work so that bad values are not saved in the  
> stack. I really don't want to have to validate all fields from the  
> "Done" and other buttons on the card.


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From userev at canelasoftware.com  Mon Jul 18 11:47:21 2005
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:47:21 -0700
Subject: embed/install font
In-Reply-To: <dbgc5k$uv9$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <dbgc5k$uv9$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <3F8067C5-F851-48EE-83B3-D4D4CE8E72B6@canelasoftware.com>


On Jul 18, 2005, at 6:53 AM, Brad Borch wrote:

> I'm creating a presentation and I need to be sure the user has  
> access to a Unicode font. I'd like to standardize on Bitstream's  
> Vera font, which is free and very good.
>
> 1) Is there any way to access the font dynamically without  
> installing it on the user's system? A while ago there was a thread  
> "Own fontsuite with standalone?" Several authors referenced the  
> EXT.dll as a way to dynamically access fonts on the PC. How is this  
> done? Has anyone successfully employed this technique?
>
> 2) If I can't access it dynamically, how do I install it? I  
> purchased InstallGadget, but that currently doesn't update the  
> Windows registry upon installation.
>
> Any ideas on how to address this problem would be greatly appreciated.


Brad,

This is how I solve the problem:  <http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/ 
use-revolution/2004-April/036224.html>


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From revlist at cableone.net  Mon Jul 18 12:15:52 2005
From: revlist at cableone.net (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:15:52 -0600
Subject: External for running one instance on windows
In-Reply-To: <75776ce0c091d314c34a74a6577c8363@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <75776ce0c091d314c34a74a6577c8363@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <E936C3B5-1F2E-485B-A7C4-12B957FD15F3@cableone.net>

Hi Trevor,

This is great.  I've been looking for a good solution to this problem  
for quite some time.  I've been using a partial solution with the  
EXT.dll, but it doesn't always work.

One question:  Will this work on any version of Windows, or is it  
specific to, say, 2000/XP?

Chris


On Jul 16, 2005, at 4:14 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> Hi people of the list,
>
> I put together an external this morning that you can use to limit  
> your application to one running instance on Windows.  It uses a  
> mutex object on Windows which you can read about here:
>
> <http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/ 
> dllproc/base/using_mutex_objects.asp>
>
> There is a readme with the archive but basically there are two  
> handlers you use:
>
> get ewinRegisterApp("My_App_Unique_String")
> ewinUnregisterApp
>
> You can ewinRegisterApp("My_App_Unique_String") when your app first  
> launches.  If it returns true then there is only one instance of  
> your app running.  If it returns false then another app has  
> registered the same string (in this case "My_App_Unique_String")  
> and you should quit.
>
> When you quit your app you call ewinUnregisterApp to release the  
> mutex object you created with ewinRegisterApp().
>
> Now you may be asking yourself what would happen if your app  
> crashes.  Would ewinRegisterApp() still return false?  The answer  
> is no, it would return true.  Windows knows that the app that  
> created the original mutex object has gone the way of all  
> misbehaved software and it will gladly give you control of the  
> orphaned mutex object.
>
> Anyway, I've tested this on Win XP so far and it seems to be  
> working nicely.  Note that for every time you call ewinRegisterApp 
> () in one app you need to call ewinUnregisterApp in order for  
> another app to be able to have ewinRegisterApp() return true.  I  
> may fix that, I may not.  It doesn't really bother me.
>
> Anyway, you can download it at:
>
> <http://www.mangomultimedia.com/download/revolution/enhancedwin/ 
> EnhancedWin.zip>
>
> There is also a command called ewinOpenURL in the external that  
> will always do the right thing when trying to open a url or launch  
> an email client on Windows.  You may find that useful as well.
>
> If you have any questions or problems let me know.  If you want the  
> source code you can have that too.  It was compiled with Visual C+ 
> + .Net.
>
> -- 
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Multimedia
> trevor at mangomultimedia.com
>
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From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Mon Jul 18 12:20:51 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:20:51 -0400
Subject: External for running one instance on windows
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445E6@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

This external is prolly a bit easier to use than the old way, but...

There is a cross platform method for doing this, which has been
discussed on this group. It has the convenience of checking to make sure
that the first version is running, then if the first instance
communicates back to the second instance that it is running, the second
instance will shut down. It involves the use of ports, which can be a
pain to use.

Just FYI

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sheffield
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 12:16 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: External for running one instance on windows

Hi Trevor,

This is great.  I've been looking for a good solution to this problem  
for quite some time.  I've been using a partial solution with the  
EXT.dll, but it doesn't always work.

One question:  Will this work on any version of Windows, or is it  
specific to, say, 2000/XP?

Chris


On Jul 16, 2005, at 4:14 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> Hi people of the list,
>
> I put together an external this morning that you can use to limit  
> your application to one running instance on Windows.  It uses a  
> mutex object on Windows which you can read about here:
>
> <http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/ 
> dllproc/base/using_mutex_objects.asp>
>
> There is a readme with the archive but basically there are two  
> handlers you use:
>
> get ewinRegisterApp("My_App_Unique_String")
> ewinUnregisterApp
>
> You can ewinRegisterApp("My_App_Unique_String") when your app first  
> launches.  If it returns true then there is only one instance of  
> your app running.  If it returns false then another app has  
> registered the same string (in this case "My_App_Unique_String")  
> and you should quit.
>
> When you quit your app you call ewinUnregisterApp to release the  
> mutex object you created with ewinRegisterApp().
>
> Now you may be asking yourself what would happen if your app  
> crashes.  Would ewinRegisterApp() still return false?  The answer  
> is no, it would return true.  Windows knows that the app that  
> created the original mutex object has gone the way of all  
> misbehaved software and it will gladly give you control of the  
> orphaned mutex object.
>
> Anyway, I've tested this on Win XP so far and it seems to be  
> working nicely.  Note that for every time you call ewinRegisterApp 
> () in one app you need to call ewinUnregisterApp in order for  
> another app to be able to have ewinRegisterApp() return true.  I  
> may fix that, I may not.  It doesn't really bother me.
>
> Anyway, you can download it at:
>
> <http://www.mangomultimedia.com/download/revolution/enhancedwin/ 
> EnhancedWin.zip>
>
> There is also a command called ewinOpenURL in the external that  
> will always do the right thing when trying to open a url or launch  
> an email client on Windows.  You may find that useful as well.
>
> If you have any questions or problems let me know.  If you want the  
> source code you can have that too.  It was compiled with Visual C+ 
> + .Net.
>
> -- 
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Multimedia
> trevor at mangomultimedia.com
>
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From revlist at cableone.net  Mon Jul 18 12:28:44 2005
From: revlist at cableone.net (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:28:44 -0600
Subject: External for running one instance on windows
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445E6@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445E6@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <134ADB83-3625-4468-953F-E2A152A7EF1D@cableone.net>

I tried that at one time but could never make it work right.  Of  
course, that was back when I was still kind of new at Rev, so I  
probably wasn't doing something right.  If Trevor's solution doesn't  
work for all versions of Windows, maybe I'll take another stab at  
doing it this other way.

Chris


On Jul 18, 2005, at 10:20 AM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:

> This external is prolly a bit easier to use than the old way, but...
>
> There is a cross platform method for doing this, which has been
> discussed on this group. It has the convenience of checking to make  
> sure
> that the first version is running, then if the first instance
> communicates back to the second instance that it is running, the  
> second
> instance will shut down. It involves the use of ports, which can be a
> pain to use.
>
> Just FYI
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Chris
> Sheffield
> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 12:16 PM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: External for running one instance on windows
>
> Hi Trevor,
>
> This is great.  I've been looking for a good solution to this problem
> for quite some time.  I've been using a partial solution with the
> EXT.dll, but it doesn't always work.
>
> One question:  Will this work on any version of Windows, or is it
> specific to, say, 2000/XP?
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Jul 16, 2005, at 4:14 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:
>
>
>> Hi people of the list,
>>
>> I put together an external this morning that you can use to limit
>> your application to one running instance on Windows.  It uses a
>> mutex object on Windows which you can read about here:
>>
>> <http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/
>> dllproc/base/using_mutex_objects.asp>
>>
>> There is a readme with the archive but basically there are two
>> handlers you use:
>>
>> get ewinRegisterApp("My_App_Unique_String")
>> ewinUnregisterApp
>>
>> You can ewinRegisterApp("My_App_Unique_String") when your app first
>> launches.  If it returns true then there is only one instance of
>> your app running.  If it returns false then another app has
>> registered the same string (in this case "My_App_Unique_String")
>> and you should quit.
>>
>> When you quit your app you call ewinUnregisterApp to release the
>> mutex object you created with ewinRegisterApp().
>>
>> Now you may be asking yourself what would happen if your app
>> crashes.  Would ewinRegisterApp() still return false?  The answer
>> is no, it would return true.  Windows knows that the app that
>> created the original mutex object has gone the way of all
>> misbehaved software and it will gladly give you control of the
>> orphaned mutex object.
>>
>> Anyway, I've tested this on Win XP so far and it seems to be
>> working nicely.  Note that for every time you call ewinRegisterApp
>> () in one app you need to call ewinUnregisterApp in order for
>> another app to be able to have ewinRegisterApp() return true.  I
>> may fix that, I may not.  It doesn't really bother me.
>>
>> Anyway, you can download it at:
>>
>> <http://www.mangomultimedia.com/download/revolution/enhancedwin/
>> EnhancedWin.zip>
>>
>> There is also a command called ewinOpenURL in the external that
>> will always do the right thing when trying to open a url or launch
>> an email client on Windows.  You may find that useful as well.
>>
>> If you have any questions or problems let me know.  If you want the
>> source code you can have that too.  It was compiled with Visual C+
>> + .Net.
>>
>> -- 
>> Trevor DeVore
>> Blue Mango Multimedia
>> trevor at mangomultimedia.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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>>
>>
>
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From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Mon Jul 18 12:35:32 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:35:32 -0400
Subject: External for running one instance on windows
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445E7@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

Once I figured it out (with advice from the more experienced folks
here), it worked great - but it was really a pain to work through. A
convenient to use external like this would make doing this much easier -
it is a great idea!

I was using this for a program that runs in the background, and
autolaunches on startup - thus it was essential that the second instance
verify that the first instance was working. Otherwise, if your first
instance gets hung up for some reason, you might have a hard time
starting a working copy of the program.



-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sheffield
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 12:29 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: External for running one instance on windows

I tried that at one time but could never make it work right.  Of  
course, that was back when I was still kind of new at Rev, so I  
probably wasn't doing something right.  If Trevor's solution doesn't  
work for all versions of Windows, maybe I'll take another stab at  
doing it this other way.

Chris


On Jul 18, 2005, at 10:20 AM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:

> This external is prolly a bit easier to use than the old way, but...
>
> There is a cross platform method for doing this, which has been
> discussed on this group. It has the convenience of checking to make  
> sure
> that the first version is running, then if the first instance
> communicates back to the second instance that it is running, the  
> second
> instance will shut down. It involves the use of ports, which can be a
> pain to use.
>
> Just FYI
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Chris
> Sheffield
> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 12:16 PM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: External for running one instance on windows
>
> Hi Trevor,
>
> This is great.  I've been looking for a good solution to this problem
> for quite some time.  I've been using a partial solution with the
> EXT.dll, but it doesn't always work.
>
> One question:  Will this work on any version of Windows, or is it
> specific to, say, 2000/XP?
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Jul 16, 2005, at 4:14 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:
>
>
>> Hi people of the list,
>>
>> I put together an external this morning that you can use to limit
>> your application to one running instance on Windows.  It uses a
>> mutex object on Windows which you can read about here:
>>
>> <http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/
>> dllproc/base/using_mutex_objects.asp>
>>
>> There is a readme with the archive but basically there are two
>> handlers you use:
>>
>> get ewinRegisterApp("My_App_Unique_String")
>> ewinUnregisterApp
>>
>> You can ewinRegisterApp("My_App_Unique_String") when your app first
>> launches.  If it returns true then there is only one instance of
>> your app running.  If it returns false then another app has
>> registered the same string (in this case "My_App_Unique_String")
>> and you should quit.
>>
>> When you quit your app you call ewinUnregisterApp to release the
>> mutex object you created with ewinRegisterApp().
>>
>> Now you may be asking yourself what would happen if your app
>> crashes.  Would ewinRegisterApp() still return false?  The answer
>> is no, it would return true.  Windows knows that the app that
>> created the original mutex object has gone the way of all
>> misbehaved software and it will gladly give you control of the
>> orphaned mutex object.
>>
>> Anyway, I've tested this on Win XP so far and it seems to be
>> working nicely.  Note that for every time you call ewinRegisterApp
>> () in one app you need to call ewinUnregisterApp in order for
>> another app to be able to have ewinRegisterApp() return true.  I
>> may fix that, I may not.  It doesn't really bother me.
>>
>> Anyway, you can download it at:
>>
>> <http://www.mangomultimedia.com/download/revolution/enhancedwin/
>> EnhancedWin.zip>
>>
>> There is also a command called ewinOpenURL in the external that
>> will always do the right thing when trying to open a url or launch
>> an email client on Windows.  You may find that useful as well.
>>
>> If you have any questions or problems let me know.  If you want the
>> source code you can have that too.  It was compiled with Visual C+
>> + .Net.
>>
>> -- 
>> Trevor DeVore
>> Blue Mango Multimedia
>> trevor at mangomultimedia.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>>
>
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>
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From mdswindell at charter.net  Mon Jul 18 12:38:09 2005
From: mdswindell at charter.net (Mark Swindell)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:38:09 -0700
Subject: Screen fonts great in Rev, bad in Word- why?
Message-ID: <4C742231-AC5C-4B20-A6D7-AA9A981F09EB@charter.net>

Why do screen fonts look so good  in Rev and Pages and so bad in Word  
and AppleWorks?  Even with Font smoothing turned on in AppleWorks  
Times still looks terrible... hardly useable.   I'm using OS X  
Tiger.  I also set the system font smoothing pref to flat panel.   
What am I missing?

Thanks
Mark


From bann at sunncomm.com  Mon Jul 18 12:52:03 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:52:03 -0700
Subject: Problem with "Save As Standalone App"
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376097D@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>

Hello,


I am having problem with "Save As Standalone App."
I have a Rev file (about 400,000 KB) when I save it as standalone app
(making an exe file).  It took a long time to finish.  The exe file size
is only 1,620 KB.  I could not open it.  I don't know what's wrong.
Could someone help me with this?  Thank you









From pandonian at mindspring.com  Mon Jul 11 00:43:24 2005
From: pandonian at mindspring.com (peter andonian)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:43:24 -0700
Subject: Need a revolution Consultant/mentor
Message-ID: <31FC5FD4-22DE-4978-AF8D-5AF418608806@mindspring.com>

I am a new runtime revolution user looking for a consultant to help  
me design and build software to run my manufacturing business.  My  
company manufactures lawn mower accessories (you can see our products  
at http://www.acceleratorindustries.com/ ).  We are located in  
Bellevue, Washington.  I have a good deal of experience programming  
in Hypercard, and have done enough dabbling in revolution to feel  
comfortable with the environment and the transcript language.  I need  
someone who would like to work with me on an ongoing basis, and who I  
would be personally compatible with.  I would like to set up a system  
using runtime as a front end to a database.  If you are interested  
please call me or reply off list (I am not currently subscribed to  
the general list).
Peter Andonian
425-562-3013


From seamus at corvideon.ie  Tue Jul 12 12:57:10 2005
From: seamus at corvideon.ie (Seamus Brady)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:57:10 +0100
Subject: Revolution unbooted
Message-ID: <42D3F666.5070800@corvideon.ie>

Hi

Please excuse my intrusion. I have been lurking around the edge of the 
runrev community for a little while. I have been playing around with 
runrev on windows/linux and I am very impressed. I really think this 
product could have some potential in my business.

I have a small query though

Can anybody comment on the stability of a runrev app (connected through 
ODBC to SQL Server)  running on a linux/windows box for many many days 
without rebooting? Are memory leaks a problem? I am looking into 
developing something for a client which could potential be left running 
for a considerable number of days.

All help gratefully appreciated :) Please free to email me privately if 
you have any specific advice that may be OT on the list.

Regards

Seamus Brady

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From Stgoldberg at aol.com  Tue Jul 12 18:05:46 2005
From: Stgoldberg at aol.com (Stgoldberg at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:05:46 EDT
Subject: How to place the window in the center of the screen?
Message-ID: <1d6.405ad896.300598ba@aol.com>

Placing the window in the middle of the screen is a simple script:

on openstack
set the loc of this stack to the screenloc
end openstack

Stephen Goldberg


> From: "Ban Nguyen" <bann at sunncomm.com>
> Subject: place the window in the middle of screen?
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>=20
> Hello,
>=20
> How to place the window in the center of the screen?=A0 Please help
>=20
>=20
>=20

<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><HTML><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Gen=
eva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">Placing the window in the middle of the=
 screen is a simple script:<BR>
<BR>
on openstack<BR>
set the loc of this stack to the screenloc<BR>
end openstack<BR>
<BR>
Stephen Goldberg<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE CITE STYLE=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;=20=
MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px" TYPE=3D"CITE"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0=
00000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">From: "Ban Nguyen" &l=
t;bann at sunncomm.com&gt;<BR>
Subject: place the window in the middle of screen?<BR>
To: "How to use Revolution" &lt;use-revolution at lists.runrev.com<BR>
<BR>
Hello,<BR>
<BR>
How to place the window in the center of the screen?=A0 Please help<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSE=
RIF" SIZE=3D"2"><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"=
2"></FONT></HTML>


From richmond at mail.maclaunch.com  Wed Jul 13 11:58:59 2005
From: richmond at mail.maclaunch.com (Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:58:59 -0400
Subject: What is 'Constellation' ?
Message-ID: <web-334371873@mail.maclaunch.com>

Slow on the uptake as usual; was intrigued by "Jon's" -
'using Constellation' - what is 'Constellation' ???

Sincerely, Richmond
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From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Mon Jul 18 13:03:18 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:03:18 -0400
Subject: Problem with Editable Fields
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445E8@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

You can also try this in the "done" button:

On MouseUp
  Send DoThisScript to me in 0 seconds
End MouseUp

Then put the original mouseup script into a DoThisScript handler in the button. This will ensure that the script runs after other handlers.

However, it seems odd that mouseup would be occuring before closefield. Is it possible that your "done" button is non-focusing? This would mean that when you press the button, the focus never leaves the field you were in, thus not sending a closefield message. If this is the case, you need to make sure your button is focusable.

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Eric Chatonet
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 11:42 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Problem with Editable Fields

Hi Dave,

May be another approach, more ergonomic, could help you:
Just allow numbers to be typed into your field with a generic handler  
like the following:

on keyDown pKey
   if pKey is an integer and the number of chars of target < 3 then  
pass keyDown
end keyDown

It's only to get you started: you will find you have probably to  
build a rawKeyDown handler to be more precise and manage the current  
selection (if the user selects a portion and wants to type in).

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

Le 18 juil. 05 ? 17:32, David Burgun a ?crit :

> I have the a number of fields in a card that have to be range  
> checked, to do this i have the following code:
>
> on openField
> set the cpSaveTextOfMe to the text of me
> end openField
>
> on closeField
> if (the text of me < 0) or (the text of me > 999) then
>   set the text of me to the cpSaveTextOfMe of me
>   select the text of me
>   beep
> end closeField
>
>
> There is also a "Done" Button that has this script:
>
> on mouseUp
> save this stack
> close this stack
> end mouseUp
>
> If I enter an invalid number and then click in another field, I get  
> beep and the contents of the field are restored and all is well.  
> However, if I enter an invalid number and then click the "Done"  
> button, it looks like the "mouseUp" handler is run BEFORE the  
> "closeField" handler. Since the value stored in the stack is the  
> invalid data. Is this the correct action? If so, what is the best  
> way to make this work so that bad values are not saved in the  
> stack. I really don't want to have to validate all fields from the  
> "Done" and other buttons on the card.


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From see3d at writeme.com  Mon Jul 18 13:10:50 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:10:50 -0400
Subject: What is 'Constellation' ?
In-Reply-To: <web-334371873@mail.maclaunch.com>
References: <web-334371873@mail.maclaunch.com>
Message-ID: <492E5150-AFA3-4EE7-A027-5DACA978A75D@writeme.com>

Just follow this link:

http://www.daniels-mara.com/products/

Dennis


On Jul 13, 2005, at 11:58 AM, Mathewson wrote:

> Slow on the uptake as usual; was intrigued by "Jon's" -
> 'using Constellation' - what is 'Constellation' ???
>
> Sincerely, Richmond
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>
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From brad at activadesign.com  Mon Jul 18 13:11:58 2005
From: brad at activadesign.com (Brad Borch)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:11:58 -0400
Subject: embed/install font
In-Reply-To: <3F8067C5-F851-48EE-83B3-D4D4CE8E72B6@canelasoftware.com>
References: <dbgc5k$uv9$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<3F8067C5-F851-48EE-83B3-D4D4CE8E72B6@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <dbgnpg$5hm$1@sea.gmane.org>

Mark,

>  I put the installer created by IC into a custom 
> property in my rev app.  My rev app spits out the installer

Thanks for the pointer. I've done a fair bit of work in Director, Flash, 
etc. A long time ago I did Hypercard work. I'm sure with a little bit of 
guidance I'll get "custom properties," but if you could just point me to 
a brief explanation of how this works and how to "suck up" and "spit 
out" (as I've heard the process referred to in some posts) something 
like another file or executable, I'd appreciate it.

Brad

--

Mark Talluto wrote:

> 
> On Jul 18, 2005, at 6:53 AM, Brad Borch wrote:
> 
>> I'm creating a presentation and I need to be sure the user has  access 
>> to a Unicode font. I'd like to standardize on Bitstream's  Vera font, 
>> which is free and very good.
>>
>> 1) Is there any way to access the font dynamically without  installing 
>> it on the user's system? A while ago there was a thread  "Own 
>> fontsuite with standalone?" Several authors referenced the  EXT.dll as 
>> a way to dynamically access fonts on the PC. How is this  done? Has 
>> anyone successfully employed this technique?
>>
>> 2) If I can't access it dynamically, how do I install it? I  purchased 
>> InstallGadget, but that currently doesn't update the  Windows registry 
>> upon installation.
>>
>> Any ideas on how to address this problem would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> 
> 
> Brad,
> 
> This is how I solve the problem:  <http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/ 
> use-revolution/2004-April/036224.html>
> 
> 
> Mark Talluto



From revdan at danshafer.com  Mon Jul 18 13:22:11 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:22:11 -0700
Subject: embed/install font
In-Reply-To: <dbgnpg$5hm$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <dbgc5k$uv9$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<3F8067C5-F851-48EE-83B3-D4D4CE8E72B6@canelasoftware.com>
	<dbgnpg$5hm$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <35E57ACD-653E-459E-BACA-35BFA5A43231@danshafer.com>

Brad.....

There are lots of resources. The docs are actually pretty good on  
this point.

I wrote an eBook on the subject (it's for sale at the Rev online  
store as Chapter 21 for, I think, $5).

I also gave a free online conference on the subject a while back. You  
can download the stack with examples and the chat log from the Rev  
site for nothing.


On Jul 18, 2005, at 10:11 AM, Brad Borch wrote:

> Mark,
>
>
>>  I put the installer created by IC into a custom property in my  
>> rev app.  My rev app spits out the installer
>>
>
> Thanks for the pointer. I've done a fair bit of work in Director,  
> Flash, etc. A long time ago I did Hypercard work. I'm sure with a  
> little bit of guidance I'll get "custom properties," but if you  
> could just point me to a brief explanation of how this works and  
> how to "suck up" and "spit out" (as I've heard the process referred  
> to in some posts) something like another file or executable, I'd  
> appreciate it.
>
> Brad
>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author
http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
 From http://www.revolutionpros.com, Click "My Stuff"





From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jul 18 13:27:50 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:27:50 -0500
Subject: embed/install font
In-Reply-To: <p06230902bf017d347889@[192.168.1.104]>
References: <dbgc5k$uv9$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<p06230902bf017d347889@[192.168.1.104]>
Message-ID: <42DBE696.6030902@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/18/05 10:39 AM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> I remember the days long ago in Hypercard where you could install a font 
> as a resource in a stack, and it 'just worked', even though we were 
> warned not to for some reason.

The reason was a complete and comprehensive system crash if a print job 
was in the queue and the user closed the stack. Not recommended. If you 
never printed from the stack, it was okay. I don't think OS X even 
allows embedded fonts any more (anyone know?)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From userev at canelasoftware.com  Mon Jul 18 13:30:16 2005
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:30:16 -0700
Subject: embed/install font
In-Reply-To: <dbgnpg$5hm$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <dbgc5k$uv9$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<3F8067C5-F851-48EE-83B3-D4D4CE8E72B6@canelasoftware.com>
	<dbgnpg$5hm$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <CA75176E-222E-4D76-AF53-D91248F0CEC0@canelasoftware.com>


On Jul 18, 2005, at 10:11 AM, Brad Borch wrote:

> Mark,
>
>
>>  I put the installer created by IC into a custom property in my  
>> rev app.  My rev app spits out the installer
>>
>
> Thanks for the pointer. I've done a fair bit of work in Director,  
> Flash, etc. A long time ago I did Hypercard work. I'm sure with a  
> little bit of guidance I'll get "custom properties," but if you  
> could just point me to a brief explanation of how this works and  
> how to "suck up" and "spit out" (as I've heard the process referred  
> to in some posts) something like another file or executable, I'd  
> appreciate it.


Brad,

There is a file called CS Fonts Installer on RevNet.  You can find  
RevNet in the plugins for Revolution.  It will get you started.  The  
thing to remember is:

1.  Mac fonts can be written to the fonts folder of the OS without  
using a third party installer.  Thus, they are super easy to work with.
2.  Win fonts need to be installed by a third party installer like  
the one I use from www.clickteam.com
The reason is that the installer will setup the registry  
appropriately for you.  This can also be done from within Rev, but I  
have not spent the time to work it out.  Thus, I "suck up" the  
installer created by the clickteam product and place that into a  
custom property.  I then write that custom property back out to the  
user's hard drive, run the installer, and delete the installer when  
done all from Rev.  Works very well.  The file I have on RevNet is a  
bit old, but easier to read than the version I am currently using.   
If you want the newer version, just let me know.  It deals with all  
sorts of things besides fonts, but is not as use friendly at first.

Keep writing back if you have any questions.


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Jul 18 13:36:42 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:36:42 -0700
Subject: Naming conventions
In-Reply-To: <ECD7A584-7FDA-4D25-9418-543E262A17B7@writeme.com>
References: <BEDF36E2.22916%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<42B9F622.1070900@fourthworld.com>
	<54636F70-A1B2-44A0-8C42-40536025E3E7@writeme.com>
	<772230256.20050703091048@ahsoftware.net>
	<ECD7A584-7FDA-4D25-9418-543E262A17B7@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <1015567475.20050718103642@ahsoftware.net>

Dennis-

Sunday, July 17, 2005, 10:31:45 AM, you wrote:

DB> Is there any advantage to putting the main block of comments outside
DB> the handler vs inside the handler?

I think it looks cleaner having them outside, but no, there's no
advantage other than just your own preference.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Jul 18 13:47:12 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:47:12 -0700
Subject: External for running one instance on windows
In-Reply-To: <6C9C84FF-033B-4B73-8D0B-BE89DE751A0A@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <75776ce0c091d314c34a74a6577c8363@mangomultimedia.com>
	<1751560483.20050717084132@ahsoftware.net>
	<6C9C84FF-033B-4B73-8D0B-BE89DE751A0A@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <1246197611.20050718104712@ahsoftware.net>

Trevor-

Sunday, July 17, 2005, 12:25:01 PM, you wrote:

TD> I don't know what a critical section is so it made the decision much
TD> easier :-)

<g>

As I understand it, they're almost the same thing - mutexes work with
multiple threads in an single application, critical section objects
work with multiple threads in a single process. It doesn't help things
any that "critical section" is also used to refer to the code governed
by a mutex.

Here's a fairly concise, albeit microsoftian, writeup:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dllproc/base/critical_section_objects.asp

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jul 18 13:49:31 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:49:31 -0500
Subject: Scripting conference stack available - Script Anatomy 2
Message-ID: <42DBEBAB.7040402@hyperactivesw.com>

The scripting conference stack for this coming weekend is now available 
for download from the usual place:

<http://support.runrev.com/scriptingconferences/>

This conference topic is Script Anatomy 2, presented by the capable 
Frank Leahy. It discusses the difference between handlers and functions, 
where to place scripts in your stack, writing reuseable code, and more. 
Download the stack in preparation for the conference, and we'll see you 
this weekend.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Mon Jul 18 13:50:11 2005
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:50:11 +0100
Subject: Problem with Editable Fields
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445E8@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445E8@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <a05210604bf0195049c8f@[192.168.80.101]>

Hi,

Tried what you suggested, the invalid values still gets saved. I know 
the closeField gets called because I hear the beep. I put a 
breakpoint on both all three handler, mouseUp, NewMouseUp and 
closeField and when the done key is pressed it enters the mouseUp 
handler BEFORE closeField, so the old value gets saved. It pot luck 
if the closeField function gets called at all in the case, I am guess 
that it depends on timing, if the script gets run before the close 
stack command is issued.

This really is silly, what I want to do is so straight forward, I 
just cannot understand why it is so difficult in RunRev? Am I missing 
something or is it impossible to range check a field without jumping 
thru hoops?

Thanks a lot
Dave

>You can also try this in the "done" button:
>
>On MouseUp
>   Send DoThisScript to me in 0 seconds
>End MouseUp
>
>Then put the original mouseup script into a DoThisScript handler in 
>the button. This will ensure that the script runs after other 
>handlers.
>
>However, it seems odd that mouseup would be occuring before 
>closefield. Is it possible that your "done" button is non-focusing? 
>This would mean that when you press the button, the focus never 
>leaves the field you were in, thus not sending a closefield message. 
>If this is the case, you need to make sure your button is focusable.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
>[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Eric 
>Chatonet
>Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 11:42 AM
>To: How to use Revolution
>Subject: Re: Problem with Editable Fields
>
>Hi Dave,
>
>May be another approach, more ergonomic, could help you:
>Just allow numbers to be typed into your field with a generic handler 
>like the following:
>
>on keyDown pKey
>    if pKey is an integer and the number of chars of target < 3 then 
>pass keyDown
>end keyDown
>
>It's only to get you started: you will find you have probably to 
>build a rawKeyDown handler to be more precise and manage the current 
>selection (if the user selects a portion and wants to type in).
>
>Best Regards from Paris,
>
>Eric Chatonet.
>
>Le 18 juil. 05 ? 17:32, David Burgun a ?crit :
>
>>  I have the a number of fields in a card that have to be range 
>>  checked, to do this i have the following code:
>>
>>  on openField
>>  set the cpSaveTextOfMe to the text of me
>>  end openField
>>
>>  on closeField
>>  if (the text of me < 0) or (the text of me > 999) then
>>    set the text of me to the cpSaveTextOfMe of me
>>    select the text of me
>>    beep
>>  end closeField
>>
>>
>>  There is also a "Done" Button that has this script:
>>
>>  on mouseUp
>>  save this stack
>>  close this stack
>>  end mouseUp
>>
>>  If I enter an invalid number and then click in another field, I get 
>>  beep and the contents of the field are restored and all is well. 
>>  However, if I enter an invalid number and then click the "Done" 
>>  button, it looks like the "mouseUp" handler is run BEFORE the 
>>  "closeField" handler. Since the value stored in the stack is the 
>>  invalid data. Is this the correct action? If so, what is the best 
>>  way to make this work so that bad values are not saved in the 
>>  stack. I really don't want to have to validate all fields from the 
>>  "Done" and other buttons on the card.
>
>
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From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Mon Jul 18 13:53:35 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:53:35 -0400
Subject: Problem with Editable Fields
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A99680A8@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

Feel free to send your stack to me, and I will check it out and see if I see anything obvious.

Bnz2 at cdc.gov

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of David Burgun
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 1:50 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: RE: Problem with Editable Fields

Hi,

Tried what you suggested, the invalid values still gets saved. I know 
the closeField gets called because I hear the beep. I put a 
breakpoint on both all three handler, mouseUp, NewMouseUp and 
closeField and when the done key is pressed it enters the mouseUp 
handler BEFORE closeField, so the old value gets saved. It pot luck 
if the closeField function gets called at all in the case, I am guess 
that it depends on timing, if the script gets run before the close 
stack command is issued.

This really is silly, what I want to do is so straight forward, I 
just cannot understand why it is so difficult in RunRev? Am I missing 
something or is it impossible to range check a field without jumping 
thru hoops?

Thanks a lot
Dave

>You can also try this in the "done" button:
>
>On MouseUp
>   Send DoThisScript to me in 0 seconds
>End MouseUp
>
>Then put the original mouseup script into a DoThisScript handler in 
>the button. This will ensure that the script runs after other 
>handlers.
>
>However, it seems odd that mouseup would be occuring before 
>closefield. Is it possible that your "done" button is non-focusing? 
>This would mean that when you press the button, the focus never 
>leaves the field you were in, thus not sending a closefield message. 
>If this is the case, you need to make sure your button is focusable.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
>[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Eric 
>Chatonet
>Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 11:42 AM
>To: How to use Revolution
>Subject: Re: Problem with Editable Fields
>
>Hi Dave,
>
>May be another approach, more ergonomic, could help you:
>Just allow numbers to be typed into your field with a generic handler 
>like the following:
>
>on keyDown pKey
>    if pKey is an integer and the number of chars of target < 3 then 
>pass keyDown
>end keyDown
>
>It's only to get you started: you will find you have probably to 
>build a rawKeyDown handler to be more precise and manage the current 
>selection (if the user selects a portion and wants to type in).
>
>Best Regards from Paris,
>
>Eric Chatonet.
>
>Le 18 juil. 05 ? 17:32, David Burgun a ?crit :
>
>>  I have the a number of fields in a card that have to be range 
>>  checked, to do this i have the following code:
>>
>>  on openField
>>  set the cpSaveTextOfMe to the text of me
>>  end openField
>>
>>  on closeField
>>  if (the text of me < 0) or (the text of me > 999) then
>>    set the text of me to the cpSaveTextOfMe of me
>>    select the text of me
>>    beep
>>  end closeField
>>
>>
>>  There is also a "Done" Button that has this script:
>>
>>  on mouseUp
>>  save this stack
>>  close this stack
>>  end mouseUp
>>
>>  If I enter an invalid number and then click in another field, I get 
>>  beep and the contents of the field are restored and all is well. 
>>  However, if I enter an invalid number and then click the "Done" 
>>  button, it looks like the "mouseUp" handler is run BEFORE the 
>>  "closeField" handler. Since the value stored in the stack is the 
>>  invalid data. Is this the correct action? If so, what is the best 
>>  way to make this work so that bad values are not saved in the 
>>  stack. I really don't want to have to validate all fields from the 
>>  "Done" and other buttons on the card.
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------
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>
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>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Jul 18 13:59:06 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:59:06 -0700
Subject: Revolution unbooted
In-Reply-To: <42D3F666.5070800@corvideon.ie>
References: <42D3F666.5070800@corvideon.ie>
Message-ID: <1986911287.20050718105906@ahsoftware.net>

Seamus-

Tuesday, July 12, 2005, 9:57:10 AM, you wrote:

SB> Can anybody comment on the stability of a runrev app (connected through
SB> ODBC to SQL Server)  running on a linux/windows box for many many days
SB> without rebooting? Are memory leaks a problem? I am looking into 
SB> developing something for a client which could potential be left running
SB> for a considerable number of days.

I would *never* run a windows box for several days without rebooting.
Windows needs to be rebooted regularly in order to rebuild its driver
database, maintain the registry, etc. That's part of why it takes so
long to boot up. If you prevent this from taking place the system can
get seriously messed up.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From david at openpartnership.net  Mon Jul 18 14:47:57 2005
From: david at openpartnership.net (david bovill)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:47:57 +0200
Subject: XMLRPC & Authentication
Message-ID: <8924e3d399e87e267ff6e4e326aea3f1@openpartnership.net>

Looking into sending xmlrpc calls that require basic http 
authentication... any ideas as it is not documented in the xmlrpc 
create request, but is AFAIK part of the libUrl stack... just can't 
find any docs at the moment...



From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Mon Jul 18 15:02:10 2005
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:02:10 +0100
Subject: Screen fonts great in Rev, bad in Word- why?
In-Reply-To: <4C742231-AC5C-4B20-A6D7-AA9A981F09EB@charter.net>
References: <4C742231-AC5C-4B20-A6D7-AA9A981F09EB@charter.net>
Message-ID: <C9EBD83F-A1B9-432C-89FE-DC95A42E9B0B@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 18 Jul 2005, at 17:38, Mark Swindell wrote:

> Why do screen fonts look so good  in Rev and Pages and so bad in  
> Word and AppleWorks?  Even with Font smoothing turned on in  
> AppleWorks Times still looks terrible... hardly useable.   I'm  
> using OS X Tiger.  I also set the system font smoothing pref to  
> flat panel.  What am I missing?

My memory's a bit rusty here, but I think that AppleWorks doesn't use  
the Quartz font rendering (or whatever it's called). This was added  
to Rev (then Metacard??) shortly after OS X was released.

There used to be a third-party System Preference thingy called Silk  
that allowed this to be enabled for apps that didn't support the new  
OS X font rendering. I know it worked well for AppleWorks. I'm not  
sure if Silk still works in Tiger.

Cheers
Dave


From rjearp at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 18 15:06:51 2005
From: rjearp at hotmail.com (Bob Earp)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:06:51 -0700
Subject: embed/install font
Message-ID: <BAY23-F181F186EE5464B8438DC71D1D50@phx.gbl>

I need this BIG time, and it mnay be a show stopper form me moving a whole 
mess of customers form ToolBook (where this isa breeze to do) to Rev.  At 
RevConWest Andre Garcia said that he thought he had a way of doing this by 
using a custom property to store the font, but I haven't heard from him 
since then.

Bob Earp - White Rock, BC.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I remember the days long ago in Hypercard where you could install a
font as a resource in a stack, and it 'just worked', even though we
were warned not to for some reason.
sqb

>I'm creating a presentation and I need to be sure the user has access to a 
>Unicode font. I'd like to standardize on Bitstream's Vera font, which is 
>free and very good.
>
>1) Is there any way to access the font dynamically without installing it on 
>the user's system? A while ago there was a thread "Own fontsuite with 
>standalone?" Several authors referenced the EXT.dll as a way to dynamically 
>access fonts on the PC. How is this done? Has anyone successfully employed 
>this technique?
>
>2) If I can't access it dynamically, how do I install it? I purchased 
>InstallGadget, but that currently doesn't update the Windows registry upon 
>installation.
>
>Any ideas on how to address this problem would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Brad

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From rjearp at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 18 15:11:22 2005
From: rjearp at hotmail.com (Bob Earp)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:11:22 -0700
Subject: Icons for plugins
Message-ID: <BAY23-F2754FFCF46FF8C614B6CF1D1D50@phx.gbl>

I'm using Chip's incredibly wonderful altPlugin to manage a bunch of other 
great plugins, but a lot of the plugins don't seem top come with a 32 x 32 
pixels icon by default.  Are there any available for specifically RevNet, 
Color Picker, Resources Picker, and Scripters Scrapbook or do I have to 
continue to generate my own ?

Tnx, Bob...

Bob Earp - White Rock, BC

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From bann at sunncomm.com  Mon Jul 18 15:13:14 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:13:14 -0700
Subject: Problem with "Save As Standalone App"
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E598@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>

Hello,


I am having problem with "Save As Standalone App."
I have a Rev file (about 400,000 KB) when I save it as standalone app
(making an exe file).  It took a long time to finish.  The exe file size
is only 1,620 KB.  I could not open it.  I don't know what's wrong.
Could someone help me with this?  Thank you








From soapdog at mac.com  Mon Jul 18 15:13:46 2005
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:13:46 -0300
Subject: XMLRPC & Authentication
In-Reply-To: <8924e3d399e87e267ff6e4e326aea3f1@openpartnership.net>
References: <8924e3d399e87e267ff6e4e326aea3f1@openpartnership.net>
Message-ID: <351E9500-4998-4165-B0DB-4AA83239E4B1@mac.com>


On Jul 18, 2005, at 3:47 PM, david bovill wrote:

> Looking into sending xmlrpc calls that require basic http  
> authentication... any ideas as it is not documented in the xmlrpc  
> create request, but is AFAIK part of the libUrl stack... just can't  
> find any docs at the moment...
>

David,

many ways to do that David, one is to script the basic auth header  
yourself using the set httpheader property. it's fairly easy, just  
get your username and password and to like this:

     put the cusername of this stack & ":" & the cpassword of this  
stack into tToken
     put format("Authorization: Basic %s", base64encode(tToken)) into  
tAuthToken
     set the httpheaders to tAuthToken


then call your method.

other more professional ways, refer to libURL Real Docs at http:// 
support.runrev.com/resources/liburlrealdocs.html

cheers
andre


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From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Jul 18 15:19:16 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:19:16 -0500
Subject: embed/install font
In-Reply-To: <BAY23-F181F186EE5464B8438DC71D1D50@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY23-F181F186EE5464B8438DC71D1D50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <42DC00B4.2000602@chipp.com>

Bob,

Here's how I would probably go about this on XP..

1) Research what registry entries are changed in Windows when installing 
a TrueType font

2) Suck up the font into your app:
set the uMyCustomFont of this stack to URL ("binfile:C:/myfont.ttf")

3) On startup spit it back out:
   a) find the specialFolder(36) which gives you the current Windows 
directory and append it with /Fonts:

put specialFolder(36) & "/Fonts/" into tFontPath

check to see if your font exists

put "myfont.ttf" after tFontPath
if there is not a file tFontPath then
   put the uMyCustomFont of this stack into URL ("binfile:" & tFontPath)
   --> SET REGISTRY STUFF IF NECESSARY
end if

then check to see if you need a restart, or you can just start using the 
font.

As mentioned, I believe there's a DLL somewhere which may make this 
easier, but I don't know where.

-Chipp



Bob Earp wrote:
> I need this BIG time, and it mnay be a show stopper form me moving a 
> whole mess of customers form ToolBook (where this isa breeze to do) to 
> Rev.  At RevConWest Andre Garcia said that he thought he had a way of 
> doing this by using a custom property to store the font, but I haven't 
> heard from him since then.
> 
> Bob Earp - White Rock, BC.



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 18 15:22:12 2005
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:22:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Problem with Editable Fields
In-Reply-To: <a05210604bf0195049c8f@[192.168.80.101]>
Message-ID: <20050718192212.41499.qmail@web60513.mail.yahoo.com>

--- David Burgun <dburgun at dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Tried what you suggested, the invalid values still
> gets saved. I know
> the closeField gets called because I hear the beep.
> I put a
> breakpoint on both all three handler, mouseUp,
> NewMouseUp and
> closeField and when the done key is pressed it
> enters the mouseUp
> handler BEFORE closeField, so the old value gets
> saved. It pot luck
> if the closeField function gets called at all in the
> case, I am guess
> that it depends on timing, if the script gets run
> before the close
> stack command is issued.
> 
> This really is silly, what I want to do is so
> straight forward, I
> just cannot understand why it is so difficult in
> RunRev? Am I missing
> something or is it impossible to range check a field
> without jumping
> thru hoops?
> 
> Thanks a lot
> Dave
> 

Hi Dave,

Try putting this at the front of your mouseUp handler
in the button script:
--
  select empty
--
This will trigger the closeField before the stuff in
the button happens ; you may have to set a custom
property or such to check if no error occured.

All this is due to the fact that on Mac, unlike on
Windows and Unix, buttons cannot receive the keyboard
focus (by default) so the focus remains with the
field. So it's your job to trigger the closeField.

Annoying, perhaps, but that's the way the cookie
crumbles...

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam - Tools for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

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From rjearp at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 18 15:35:04 2005
From: rjearp at hotmail.com (Bob Earp)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:35:04 -0700
Subject: embed/install font
Message-ID: <BAY23-F20CB7FE969DDA91185952AD1D50@phx.gbl>

Thanks Chip, I'll see if I can get this going however, I can't get some of 
the customers to agree to loading anything at all on their machines, yeah, 
go figure !!

I know I sound like a worn out record, but I really don't have a good answer 
when they say to me "but we didn't have to do this with your ToolBook 
projects"....

Thanks again, Bob...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Bob,

Here's how I would probably go about this on XP..

1) Research what registry entries are changed in Windows when installing
a TrueType font

2) Suck up the font into your app:
set the uMyCustomFont of this stack to URL ("binfile:C:/myfont.ttf")

3) On startup spit it back out:
   a) find the specialFolder(36) which gives you the current Windows
directory and append it with /Fonts:

put specialFolder(36) & "/Fonts/" into tFontPath

check to see if your font exists

put "myfont.ttf" after tFontPath
if there is not a file tFontPath then
   put the uMyCustomFont of this stack into URL ("binfile:" & tFontPath)
   --> SET REGISTRY STUFF IF NECESSARY
end if

then check to see if you need a restart, or you can just start using the
font.

As mentioned, I believe there's a DLL somewhere which may make this
easier, but I don't know where.

-Chipp

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From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Mon Jul 18 15:41:32 2005
From: FlexibleLearning at aol.com (FlexibleLearning at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 15:41:32 EDT
Subject: Icons for plugins
Message-ID: <15.48eeab2d.300d5fec@aol.com>


Bob

I cannot help you with RevNet,  ColorPicker and Rersources Picker, but the 
icon set for the Scripter's Scrapbook  is available at 
www.FlexibleLearning.com/ssbk/ssbk5.ico and it includes  32x32.

Let me know if you need anything  else.

/H


-----
I'm using Chip's incredibly wonderful  altPlugin to manage a bunch of other 
great plugins, but a lot of the plugins  don't seem top come with a 32 x 32 
pixels icon by default.  Are there  any available for specifically RevNet, 
Color Picker, Resources Picker, and  Scripters Scrapbook or do I have to 
continue to generate my own  ?

Tnx, Bob...

Bob Earp - White Rock, BC

-----  



From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Mon Jul 18 15:45:42 2005
From: FlexibleLearning at aol.com (FlexibleLearning at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 15:45:42 EDT
Subject: Icons for plugins [2]
Message-ID: <202.5d620b1.300d60e6@aol.com>


Bob

Maybe I mis-read your request...  Upgrade to version 5 of the Scripter's 
Scrapbook as the icon contains all the  required sizes including 32x32.


/H
The Scripter's  Scrapbook
www.FlexibleLearning.com/ssbk.htm



-----
I'm using  Chip's incredibly wonderful altPlugin to manage a bunch of other 
great  plugins, but a lot of the plugins don't seem top come with a 32 x 32 
pixels  icon by default.  Are there any available for specifically RevNet,  
Color Picker, Resources Picker, and Scripters Scrapbook or do I have to  
continue to generate my own ?

Tnx, Bob...

Bob Earp - White  Rock, BC

-----  



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Mon Jul 18 15:48:48 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 21:48:48 +0200
Subject: Icons for plugins
In-Reply-To: <BAY23-F2754FFCF46FF8C614B6CF1D1D50@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY23-F2754FFCF46FF8C614B6CF1D1D50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <27F6AD47-C65C-479F-9CEC-2C1294D2BDA8@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Bob,

Sorry as for my plugins: they don't come with a specific icon :-(
But if you create some, I would be very pleased to see them :-)

Le 18 juil. 05 ? 21:11, Bob Earp a ?crit :

> I'm using Chip's incredibly wonderful altPlugin to manage a bunch  
> of other great plugins, but a lot of the plugins don't seem top  
> come with a 32 x 32 pixels icon by default.  Are there any  
> available for specifically RevNet, Color Picker, Resources Picker,  
> and Scripters Scrapbook or do I have to continue to generate my own ?

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From jbondy at sover.net  Mon Jul 18 16:27:41 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:27:41 -0400
Subject: What is 'Constellation' ?
In-Reply-To: <web-334371873@mail.maclaunch.com>
References: <web-334371873@mail.maclaunch.com>
Message-ID: <42DC10BD.4080008@sover.net>

I wonder why it took 5 days for this message to reach me (via Rev)?!?

In any event, Constellation is a new editor and property editor that 
Jerry Daniels is writing.  Check it out at

http://www.daniels-mara.com/products/constellation.htm

:)

Jon


Mathewson wrote:

>Slow on the uptake as usual; was intrigued by "Jon's" -
>'using Constellation' - what is 'Constellation' ???
>
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From jbondy at sover.net  Mon Jul 18 16:39:45 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:39:45 -0400
Subject: Revolution unbooted
In-Reply-To: <1986911287.20050718105906@ahsoftware.net>
References: <42D3F666.5070800@corvideon.ie>
	<1986911287.20050718105906@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <42DC1391.6010708@sover.net>

Mark:

I run my Windows XP box (and ran my Windows 2000 box) for 1-2 weeks at a 
time.  Eventually, something becomes unstable, and I have to re-boot, 
but often I only have to re-bot because I install a patch.  I think your 
pessimism about Windows (at least in this regard) is a bit excessive.

:)

Jon


Mark Wieder wrote:

>Seamus-
>
>Tuesday, July 12, 2005, 9:57:10 AM, you wrote:
>
>SB> Can anybody comment on the stability of a runrev app (connected through
>SB> ODBC to SQL Server)  running on a linux/windows box for many many days
>SB> without rebooting? Are memory leaks a problem? I am looking into 
>SB> developing something for a client which could potential be left running
>SB> for a considerable number of days.
>
>I would *never* run a windows box for several days without rebooting.
>Windows needs to be rebooted regularly in order to rebuild its driver
>database, maintain the registry, etc. That's part of why it takes so
>long to boot up. If you prevent this from taking place the system can
>get seriously messed up.
>
>  
>


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jul 18 16:49:10 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 15:49:10 -0500
Subject: Scripting conference stack available - Script Anatomy 2
In-Reply-To: <42DBEBAB.7040402@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <42DBEBAB.7040402@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <42DC15C6.2090906@hyperactivesw.com>

Oops; forgot to post the time and date for our next conference: 1122134400

To convert this number, paste this into the message box:

get "1122134400";convert it to system date and time;put it

I love this seconds stuff. :)


On 7/18/05 12:49 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> The scripting conference stack for this coming weekend is now available 
> for download from the usual place:
> 
> <http://support.runrev.com/scriptingconferences/>
> 
> This conference topic is Script Anatomy 2, presented by the capable 
> Frank Leahy. It discusses the difference between handlers and functions, 
> where to place scripts in your stack, writing reuseable code, and more. 
> Download the stack in preparation for the conference, and we'll see you 
> this weekend.
> 


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jul 18 16:50:41 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 15:50:41 -0500
Subject: Problem with "Save As Standalone App"
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376097D@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376097D@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <42DC1621.6020502@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/18/05 11:52 AM, Ban Nguyen wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> 
> I am having problem with "Save As Standalone App."
> I have a Rev file (about 400,000 KB) when I save it as standalone app
> (making an exe file).  It took a long time to finish.  The exe file size
> is only 1,620 KB.  I could not open it.  I don't know what's wrong.
> Could someone help me with this?  Thank you

We don't have enough information. Do you get an error message? Did you 
enter all the settings in the Standalone Application Settings (in the 
File menu) before you did the build?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jul 18 16:59:42 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:59:42 -0700
Subject: embed/install font
In-Reply-To: <BAY23-F20CB7FE969DDA91185952AD1D50@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY23-F20CB7FE969DDA91185952AD1D50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <42DC183E.1090604@fourthworld.com>

Bob Earp wrote:
> I know I sound like a worn out record, but I really don't have a good 
> answer when they say to me "but we didn't have to do this with your 
> ToolBook projects"....

So it goes when a product is made by a co-founder of an OS vendor who 
doesn't publish all of their APIs. ;)

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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jul 18 18:06:41 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 15:06:41 -0700
Subject: development tools question
In-Reply-To: <42D95F7F.4070103@chipp.com>
References: <1f5.dc02477.30096dab@aol.com>	<C35AFA87-271E-412A-B0E2-66375F166746@danshafer.com>
	<42D95F7F.4070103@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <42DC27F1.80709@fourthworld.com>

There's also DeskView, part of the devolution toolkit, shown in the 
middle of the screen shot here:
<http://www.fourthworld.com/products/devolution/index.html>

DeskView not only shows small proxie images of all of your open windows, 
but right-clicking on any of them lets you quickly change stack mode, 
save, edit scripts, toggle decorations, and more....

devolution is free to use, and support is optionally available with a 
modest annual fee.

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From bann at sunncomm.com  Mon Jul 18 18:41:48 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 15:41:48 -0700
Subject: How to customize the scroll bar, progress  bar, and slider bar?
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376097E@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>

Hello everyone,

Is the anyway to customize the look of scroll bar, progress bar, and
slider bar?  I have been searching the list but have not come across to
any tutorials? Does anyone know please help? Thank you







From revolution at derbrill.de  Mon Jul 18 19:00:19 2005
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 01:00:19 +0200
Subject: How to customize the scroll bar, progress bar, and slider bar?
In-Reply-To: <20050718165649.05B8E8248E7@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <B6362137-F7DF-11D9-A568-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>

Hi Ban,

actually there was a thread quite recently. You will need to roll your 
own Scrollbar to customize it.

Look at this thread:

http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2005-July/062687.html

Download Klaus stack.

You also find a scrollbar with a proportional thumb in my userspace in 
Revonline:

User: Malte Stack: propscroll

Cheers,

malte

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From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Mon Jul 18 19:04:38 2005
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:04:38 -0700
Subject: Jacque's Great!
In-Reply-To: <42DC1621.6020502@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376097D@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
	<42DC1621.6020502@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <p06200700bf01da1cdb6b@[10.0.1.2]>

I've retained Jacque (as in J. Landman Gay) as a Rev consultant, on a 
per-hour basis, on and off over the past few months. The job is 
pretty much done now. Not only did she prepare my HC stacks for 
transition to Rev, she also helped me to learn to fly on my own wings 
in Rev. She was patient and resourceful. My stacks have grown quite 
complex over the years, since I wrote the first simple one in HC 1.0. 
Because I'm a self-taught do-it-yourself end-user, you can imagine 
all the bad scripting practices to be found in my stacks. Complex 
plus bad scripting practices = big headaches for the consultant. You 
can imagine.

Anyway, she did a great job, technically, while patiently suggesting 
better scripting practices, and otherwise treating me nice. The 
stacks are all very stable, now. She was willing to work on my stacks 
herself, or to be available as a consultant by email when I came 
across stuff I couldn't fix. We did some of each. I don't really know 
what the going rate is, but her fees seem quite reasonable.

The days I posted dumb questions on the list -- those weren't her 
fault. That happened either before I retained her, or on the rare 
days she wasn't available by email and I was impatient about fixing 
some problem.

(BTW, the debugger anomaly, discussed last week, if anyone remembers 
it, turned out to be a bug. It will only debug a bg script on card 1 
of the background. I built a fresh, clean stack in 2.6.1 to confirm 
it. It's been posted on BZ. That one wasn't dumb, contrary to my own 
self-doubt.)

I guess other folks on this list also earn their daily bread as 
self-employed X-talk consultants. I don't want to diminish their 
ability by comparison. Judging by their messages on the list, they 
know their stuff, too. This is just one endorsement for Jacque, from 
one grateful client.


Cheers,


Tim Miller

--awww, what the heck--

Timothy Miller, Ph.D.
Clinical Psychologist
Stockton, CA


From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Jul 18 19:09:36 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:09:36 -0500
Subject: embed/install font
In-Reply-To: <BAY23-F20CB7FE969DDA91185952AD1D50@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY23-F20CB7FE969DDA91185952AD1D50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <42DC36B0.6080403@chipp.com>

Hi Bob,

Y'know I'm pretty sure there's a way to install fonts w/out putting them 
in the fonts folder. I know Adboe does it this way, and I've seen 
utilities that do the same...perhaps it a function of the registry.

In anycase, I suppose you could always 'install and deinstall' a font at 
the beginning and end of your program execution. That way your users 
would never know about it.

best,

Chipp

Bob Earp wrote:
> Thanks Chip, I'll see if I can get this going however, I can't get some 
> of the customers to agree to loading anything at all on their machines, 
> yeah, go figure !!
> 
> I know I sound like a worn out record, but I really don't have a good 
> answer when they say to me "but we didn't have to do this with your 
> ToolBook projects"....


From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Jul 18 19:11:17 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:11:17 -0500
Subject: Revolution unbooted
In-Reply-To: <42DC1391.6010708@sover.net>
References: <42D3F666.5070800@corvideon.ie>	<1986911287.20050718105906@ahsoftware.net>
	<42DC1391.6010708@sover.net>
Message-ID: <42DC3715.5080204@chipp.com>

Mark,

I concur with Jon. I regularly use 3 separate Windows XP machines, and 
multiple programs on each and never find the NEED TO reboot them, other 
than for service patches and app installs.

best,

Chipp

Jon wrote:
> Mark:
> 
> I run my Windows XP box (and ran my Windows 2000 box) for 1-2 weeks at a 
> time.  Eventually, something becomes unstable, and I have to re-boot, 
> but often I only have to re-bot because I install a patch.  I think your 
> pessimism about Windows (at least in this regard) is a bit excessive.
> 
> :)
> 
> Jon
> 
> 
> Mark Wieder wrote:

>> I would *never* run a windows box for several days without rebooting.
>> Windows needs to be rebooted regularly in order to rebuild its driver
>> database, maintain the registry, etc. That's part of why it takes so
>> long to boot up. If you prevent this from taking place the system can
>> get seriously messed up.


From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Jul 18 19:14:51 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:14:51 -0500
Subject: development tools question
In-Reply-To: <42DC27F1.80709@fourthworld.com>
References: <1f5.dc02477.30096dab@aol.com>	<C35AFA87-271E-412A-B0E2-66375F166746@danshafer.com>	<42D95F7F.4070103@chipp.com>
	<42DC27F1.80709@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <42DC37EB.2040709@chipp.com>

Yes, DeskView was the inspiration for 'miniMe' (the plugin I don't 
distribute). Richard and I were representing RR at a recent Apple 
WorldWide developer conference, and he showed it to me in beta state. It 
was so cool I ended up writing a similar plugin that evening in my hotel.

I think Deskview has actually more functionality as well. I highly 
recommend it! :-)

-Chipp

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> There's also DeskView, part of the devolution toolkit, shown in the 
> middle of the screen shot here:
> <http://www.fourthworld.com/products/devolution/index.html>
> 
> DeskView not only shows small proxie images of all of your open windows, 
> but right-clicking on any of them lets you quickly change stack mode, 
> save, edit scripts, toggle decorations, and more....
> 
> devolution is free to use, and support is optionally available with a 
> modest annual fee.


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jul 18 19:23:53 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:23:53 -0700
Subject: Jacque's Great!
In-Reply-To: <p06200700bf01da1cdb6b@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376097D@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>	<42DC1621.6020502@hyperactivesw.com>
	<p06200700bf01da1cdb6b@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <42DC3A09.1000003@fourthworld.com>

Amen to that, brother.

I've hired Jacque myself in the past, and recently recommended her to a 
client whose work I'd love to do but things are just too busy here right 
now to do it well.  She's always done a great job and has a rare gift 
for communication as well, offering good feedback on topics that might 
be difficult for anyone else but from her it's always well recieved and 
highly productive.

In fact, if there's any reason I'm at all diplomatic on my better days, 
I owe at least some of that to her feedback over the years. :)

The only thing that mystifies me about Jacque is how she's able to take 
such good care of so many people and then also find the time to take 
care of so many more with the online scripting conference series.

:::: releasing balloons that read "Hurray for Jacque" ::::

--
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  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From soapdog at mac.com  Mon Jul 18 19:27:57 2005
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:27:57 -0300
Subject: Jacque's Great!
In-Reply-To: <42DC3A09.1000003@fourthworld.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376097D@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
	<42DC1621.6020502@hyperactivesw.com>
	<p06200700bf01da1cdb6b@[10.0.1.2]>
	<42DC3A09.1000003@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <395A555B-ABD7-4715-A484-83D78781C75B@mac.com>


On Jul 18, 2005, at 8:23 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

>
> :::: releasing balloons that read "Hurray for Jacque" ::::


I want one!!!!!

Jacque is great!!!!

and that is one of the reasons I like this list so much, it's a place  
where consultants on the same niche praise each other with no regrets  
or competition!!! :D

Many cheers to Jacque!

Andre

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jul 18 19:34:50 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:34:50 -0700
Subject: Jacque's Great!
In-Reply-To: <395A555B-ABD7-4715-A484-83D78781C75B@mac.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376097D@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>	<42DC1621.6020502@hyperactivesw.com>	<p06200700bf01da1cdb6b@[10.0.1.2]>	<42DC3A09.1000003@fourthworld.com>
	<395A555B-ABD7-4715-A484-83D78781C75B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <42DC3C9A.4020305@fourthworld.com>

Andre Garzia wrote:
> 
> On Jul 18, 2005, at 8:23 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> :::: releasing balloons that read "Hurray for Jacque" ::::
> 
> I want one!!!!!
> 
> Jacque is great!!!!
> 
> and that is one of the reasons I like this list so much, it's a place  
> where consultants on the same niche praise each other with no regrets  
> or competition!!! :D

It's also a testimony to the good marketing from Kevin, Rod, and the 
others at RunRev.  As their user base grows most full-time Rev 
consultants I know are booked many months ahead with lots of interesting 
work.

These days there's plenty of work to go around.  Let's just hope Rev 
doesn't become so popular that we get commoditized like VB and Java 
programmers....  ;)

It's a good thing for future Rev scripters that I don't own the company: 
   it's such a competitive advantage for our clients that I'd stop 
selling it and make it a private club for existing customers only. :)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From Xplex at aol.com  Mon Jul 18 19:41:46 2005
From: Xplex at aol.com (Xplex at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 19:41:46 EDT
Subject: Look and Feel, Metal texture -- Windows questions
Message-ID: <159.5521286a.300d983a@aol.com>

Hello!
 
I'm using Dreamcard in Windows XP, and have been trying the various  options 
under "Look and Feel" in the "View" menu. I'm not sure what some of  the 
options are supposed to look like, but I'm not really seeing much  difference after 
choosing "Mac OS Platinum Emulated."
 
Am I not understanding what this menu option is supposed to do? Is it  
supposed to cause my project to take on a Mac-like appearance, so I can make  sure 
my cross-platform visual design bases are covered? The only difference I  see 
is a slight 3D-ing of the edges of some of the controls. Does this sound  
right? Shouldn't it be a much more drastic difference?
 
I'm also not clear on what the "Metal texture" checkbox in the stack  
inspector is supposed to be doing -- it just flashes the project's window,  but 
doesn't seem to change anything, that I can see. What effect is it supposed  to 
have?
 
I've just started with Dreamcard for Windows, after having used  HyperCard 
extensively many years ago, so many apologies if this is a dumb  newbie 
question! :-)
 
Thanks!
 
CJ


From nicolas_cueto at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 18 21:22:00 2005
From: nicolas_cueto at yahoo.com (N Cueto)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:22:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: a maze-game stack?
In-Reply-To: <492E5150-AFA3-4EE7-A027-5DACA978A75D@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <20050719012200.78399.qmail@web60611.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello List,

My "space invaders" stack now done (oh!
how I wish "arcadeEngine" had come out 
just a couple of weeks earlier!), it's 
now onto the next game: a "maze game" 
stack.

In this game, language students have a 
birds-eye view of a 2D maze. They then 
hear a sound (a phoneme), after which
they begin to manoeuver an object thru 
the maze lanes and onto a goal-area. 
Their movement thru the maze is of course
limited by the walls, i.e., if the object 
they are moving contacts a wall then 
movement is stopped with some type of 
audible feedback. (Very behavioristic.)

My (admittedly vague) question, then, is 
about how to make both the maze and the 
"bumped into the wall" algorithm.

As for the maze itelf, the only options I 
see are to "draw" the maze either with 
(a) a graphics application and then import 
it to the stack, or (b) RunRev's "create" 
command. I'd prefer option (b), since it'd
allow a new maze to be created for each 
new game.

And as for the "bumped" algorithm, I'm
hoping arcadeEngine's "collision" function
will make things relatively simple.

Many thanks in advance for the handholding
yet again on this one.

Cheers,
Nicolas Cueto


From dvk at dvkconsult.com.au  Mon Jul 18 21:32:36 2005
From: dvk at dvkconsult.com.au (David Vaughan)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:32:36 +1000
Subject: MatchText and PCRE
Message-ID: <15837E03-05A1-47C4-9696-B6510C1637F8@dvkconsult.com.au>

The documentation says to see the PCRE manual for regular expression  
syntax. The PCRE manual refers to certain properties set as part of a  
C program. Consequently, I am unsure of the answers to the following  
four questions. True, I can experiment to see how these currently  
work but that will not answer the question of whether those  
behaviours are modifiable, so I am seeking answers before I dive in  
to using matchText.

Is it greedy? If so, is that reversible and how?

Does the dot match newline? If not, can it be made to do so?

Does a pattern like ".*" match empty? If not, can it be changed?

Is case-sensitivity in matchText affected by Rev's caseSensitive  
property? It appears not. Is case sensitivity settable?

thanks
David



From katir at hindu.org  Mon Jul 18 22:46:08 2005
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:46:08 -1000
Subject: CGI to send back a file to save
In-Reply-To: <42DB6E59.3172293E@Club-Internet.fr>
References: <C3D3A8E1-66F4-4430-80F6-40EAB1DA11CA@hindu.org>
	<42DB6E59.3172293E@Club-Internet.fr>
Message-ID: <687745AF-AC47-423A-9690-7513D8B86A02@hindu.org>

Aloha JB:

Yes, I did get this working with help from someone on Expert's  
Exchange.  But thank you... your note confirms the method... I use  
this for this context (sending a realAudio.ram file)

[SNIP]
put tURLStem & tMainFolder &"/" & tYear &"/" & tAudioFileName into  
tAbsoluteURL

# send this out to the browser as a file

put "Content-Type: audio/x-pn-realaudio" & cr
put "Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=real-player.ram" & cr  
& cr
put tAbsoluteURL

it works great... and opens some interesting doors for dynamic file  
delivery...

but I was told I didn't need a quote characater around the file name,  
didn't use it, and it seems to work just fine..

Regards
Sivakatirswami


On Jul 17, 2005, at 10:54 PM, jbv wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm a bit late on this thread, but I have some code that
> might help.
> What I actually do is generate on-the-fly pdf files with
> Rev cgi, and users get the usual WinXP dialog asking
> what they want to do with the file, save it or open it :
>
> put "Content-Type: application/pdf" & cr & "Content-Length : " &  
> number of chars of myPDF &
> cr & "Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=" &q& myRequestName  
> &q & cr & cr
>
> q contains the quote char.
>
> the above line works well under WinXP and MacOSX.
> I guess a few mods (in Content-Type mostly) may solve
> your problem...
>
> Best,
> JB
>
>
>
>> Short version: I need to know the proper HTTP header to set to force
>> a browser to save the incoming data to a file. (at least I *think*
>> that's what I need to know.)
>>
>> Long Scenario:
>>
>> Goal: create a CGI that responds to a GET request that will
>> automatically generate a
>>
>> fooSoundFile.ram  "file in a variable"
>>
>>   based on the query string e.g.
>>
>> $QUERY_STRING = audioFile=hawaii_papayas.mp3
>>
>> then the .ram filename should be "hawaii_papayas.ram"
>>
>> and contain the string:
>>
>> "http://www.himalayanacademy.com/audio/tropical_fruit_music/
>> hawaii_papayas.mp3"
>>
>> [you should hear those papayas sing!]
>>
>> Now, generating all that is a easy enough.
>>
>> But the usual scenario is that you have all these .ram files prebuilt
>> (which is what I am trying to avoid. Old .ram files lying around the
>> web site are a *big* nuisance to maintain....) and the user clicks on
>> a link
>>
>> <a href="/audio/tropical_fruit_music/hawaii_papayas.ram">Real  
>> Player</a>
>>
>> and the .ram file is downloaded-saved to the client side disk... Real
>> Player is mapped to .ram in the internet helper apps, boots and reads
>> this file and streams the audio.
>>
>> I want the CGI to take over that process and serve the .ram file
>> dynamically.
>>
>> OK, so all I know how to do is:
>>
>> put "http://www.himalayanacademy.com/audio/tropical_fruit_music/
>> hawaii_papayas.mp3" into tRamFile
>> http://www.himalayanacademy.com/audio/tropical_fruit_music/
>> hawaii_papayas.mp3
>>
>>    put "Content-Type: text/plain" & cr
>>    put "Content-Length:" && the length of tRamFile & cr & cr
>>    put tRamFile
>>
>> of course this is not going to work... that string will appear as a
>> literal in the user's browser.  is it as simple as something like:
>>
>> # just guessing.. I haven't a clue...
>>
>>    put "Content-Type: binary/file" & cr
>>    put "Content-Length:" && the length of tRamFile & cr & cr
>>    put tRamFile
>>
>> # where the browser can't read it, so it saves it
>>
>> ??
>>
>> i.e. we can of course do a redirect, like this:
>> put
>> "http://www.himalayanacademy.com/audio/tropical_fruit_music/
>> hawaii_papayas.mp3" into tRamFile
>> put tRamFile into url ("file:" & "audio/tropical_fruit_music/
>> hawaii_papayas.ram")
>>
>>    put "Status: 301 Moved Permanently" & cr
>>    put "Location: "  & http://www.himalayanacademy.com/audio/
>> tropical_fruit_music/hawaii_papayas.ram" & cr & cr
>>
>> But, then I end up once again, with all these .ram files on disk...
>> so I was hoping to find a way to pipe it straight out of the CGI...
>> i.e. to take what is coming back from port 80 and save it instead of
>> trying to render it...maybe this is the wrong place to ask this... I
>> will take it to Experts-Exchange if no one here knows.
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Sivakatirswami
>>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Jul 18 22:58:45 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 19:58:45 -0700
Subject: Jacque's Great!
In-Reply-To: <p06200700bf01da1cdb6b@[10\.0\.1\.2]>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376097D@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
	<42DC1621.6020502@hyperactivesw.com> <p06200700bf01da1cdb6b@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <8311402515.20050718195845@ahsoftware.net>

Timothy-

Monday, July 18, 2005, 4:04:38 PM, you wrote:

TM> I've retained Jacque (as in J. Landman Gay) as a Rev consultant, on a

Ah... you're in good hands then. Just watch her estimates - she tends
to list everything in seconds these days... <g>

TM> (BTW, the debugger anomaly, discussed last week, if anyone remembers
TM> it, turned out to be a bug. It will only debug a bg script on card 1
TM> of the background. I built a fresh, clean stack in 2.6.1 to confirm
TM> it. It's been posted on BZ. That one wasn't dumb, contrary to my own
TM> self-doubt.)

Thanks for persevering on that one. I was convinced it was something
in your code. BTW - if you publish the BZ number it's easier to find
and vote for bugs. That one's #3011 - took me several tries to find
it. I just verified it myself and threw five votes its way.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Mon Jul 18 22:58:03 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 12:58:03 +1000
Subject: Look and Feel, Metal texture -- Windows questions
In-Reply-To: <159.5521286a.300d983a@aol.com>
References: <159.5521286a.300d983a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <66641416-B3BC-4FDF-9D21-71BC8735E46B@genesearch.com.au>

> I'm using Dreamcard in Windows XP, and have been trying the  
> various  options
> under "Look and Feel" in the "View" menu. I'm not sure what some  
> of  the
> options are supposed to look like, but I'm not really seeing much   
> difference after
> choosing "Mac OS Platinum Emulated."
>
> Am I not understanding what this menu option is supposed to do? Is it
> supposed to cause my project to take on a Mac-like appearance, so I  
> can make  sure
> my cross-platform visual design bases are covered? The only  
> difference I  see
> is a slight 3D-ing of the edges of some of the controls. Does this  
> sound
> right? Shouldn't it be a much more drastic difference?

This particular option is to make your stacks look as if they were  
running under Mac OS 9 or earlier, not Mac OS X. You are right, it is  
just to help you check the look when doing cross-platform  
development, but it is not terribly useful. If possible, always check  
your apps on the actual release platforms. If you can't get access to  
the right sort of computer, ask the list for volunteers.
>
> I'm also not clear on what the "Metal texture" checkbox in the stack
> inspector is supposed to be doing -- it just flashes the project's  
> window,  but
> doesn't seem to change anything, that I can see. What effect is it  
> supposed  to
> have?
This is Mac OS X only, it has no effect on Windows, although I guess  
setting it will redraw the window.

HTH,
Sarah



From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Mon Jul 18 23:02:07 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:02:07 +1000
Subject: Jacque's Great!
In-Reply-To: <p06200700bf01da1cdb6b@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376097D@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
	<42DC1621.6020502@hyperactivesw.com>
	<p06200700bf01da1cdb6b@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <9DA54FDF-332C-49D6-956B-E7D5834F338B@genesearch.com.au>

Hear, hear!

While I have never hired Jacque, I have imposed on her good nature  
many times over many years, first on the Hypercard list and now here.  
She is unfailingly helpful, polite and extremely knowledgeable.

Many thanks to Jacque and all the other helpful folk on this list.

Sarah



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Jul 18 23:10:55 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:10:55 -0700
Subject: Revolution unbooted
In-Reply-To: <42DC3715.5080204@chipp.com>
References: <42D3F666.5070800@corvideon.ie>
	<1986911287.20050718105906@ahsoftware.net> <42DC1391.6010708@sover.net>
	<42DC3715.5080204@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <10612131724.20050718201055@ahsoftware.net>

Jon, Chipp-

Monday, July 18, 2005, 4:11:17 PM, you wrote:

CW> I concur with Jon. I regularly use 3 separate Windows XP machines, and
CW> multiple programs on each and never find the NEED TO reboot them, other
CW> than for service patches and app installs.

The *need* to reboot them is subtler than that. Windows is a set of
multi-level interdependent drivers and libraries that is dynamically
rebuilt each time Windows reboots. My rule of thumb when making system
changes is to reboot three times - each successive boot builds on the
previous dependency model. Things can get a bit tenuous if Windows
isn't allowed to reassure itself every so often about what's holding
it up. Michael Swaine had a good writeup of the process in an article
a while back called "House of Cards", but I can't find a reference to
it at the moment.

Granted my rebooting every day my be a bit compulsive, but I figure
it's a good habit to get into and this ensures that it gets done.

Jon - your "eventually something becomes unstable" is *exactly* what
I'm talking about.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From revdan at danshafer.com  Tue Jul 19 00:01:20 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 21:01:20 -0700
Subject: [Slightly OT] Ransomware as a Model for Rev Toolmaking?
Message-ID: <538D69E1-37FB-410C-A186-1FF9CE643A24@danshafer.com>

A friend of mine pointed me to an intriguing business concept called  
"RansomWare" and as I thought about it, it seemed there might be some  
possible use for it in the Rev developer community. Under this model,  
a developer offers to produce a given product, sets a development  
price threshold for it, and asks people to commit what they would be  
willing to pay for such a product if he were to produce it. In one  
model, these people provide concrete evidence of their willingness to  
participate by actually paying the amount they commit to; in another  
model, they simply promise to do so when the product is finished and  
released.

Once the threshold is reached, the developer completes and releases  
the product free to the entire community. If the threshold isn't  
reached, meaning the community doesn't find the need for the tool  
compelling enough to fork over the threshold amount, the moneys that  
have been contributed, if any, are donated to a charity announced in  
advance.

References:

http://www.danielsolis.com/meatbot/ransom.html

http://lists.essential.org/pipermail/random-bits/2002-November/ 
000979.html

Just an intriguing thought for a lazy summer evening.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author
http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
 From http://www.revolutionpros.com, Click "My Stuff"





From yoursignup at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 19 00:45:53 2005
From: yoursignup at yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:45:53 -1000
Subject: [Slightly OT] Ransomware as a Model for Rev Toolmaking?
In-Reply-To: <538D69E1-37FB-410C-A186-1FF9CE643A24@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLMEDMHJAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>

Sounds like Capitalism (raising money, investors, etc.) with a Communist
ending. :-) Except for  the *donation to a charity* part (people who put up
money, should get it returned, if no tool is produced, so that they can put
that same money towards another project, that is close to threshold) it
sounds interesting...

For example, I just requested a quote from someone to produce what's called
a Browser Helper Object (BHO) external for Rev. The price was a little steep
for me at this time, but if there were several people who could use this
now, and were willing to share the development cost, I certainly wouldn't
mind if it were released to the entire community on completion.

Seems like a way to get what you need now and make it available to others,
who may not have an immediate need, but may have in the future.

If you have no clue as to what a BHO is, you can see the definition here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browser_Helper_Object.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of Dan Shafer
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 6:01 PM
To: Revolution List
Subject: [Slightly OT] Ransomware as a Model for Rev Toolmaking?


A friend of mine pointed me to an intriguing business concept called
"RansomWare" and as I thought about it, it seemed there might be some
possible use for it in the Rev developer community. Under this model,
a developer offers to produce a given product, sets a development
price threshold for it, and asks people to commit what they would be
willing to pay for such a product if he were to produce it. In one
model, these people provide concrete evidence of their willingness to
participate by actually paying the amount they commit to; in another
model, they simply promise to do so when the product is finished and
released.

Once the threshold is reached, the developer completes and releases
the product free to the entire community. If the threshold isn't
reached, meaning the community doesn't find the need for the tool
compelling enough to fork over the threshold amount, the moneys that
have been contributed, if any, are donated to a charity announced in
advance.

References:

http://www.danielsolis.com/meatbot/ransom.html

http://lists.essential.org/pipermail/random-bits/2002-November/
000979.html

Just an intriguing thought for a lazy summer evening.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author
http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
 From http://www.revolutionpros.com, Click "My Stuff"



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From revolution at jaedworks.com  Mon Jul 18 14:38:39 2005
From: revolution at jaedworks.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:38:39 -0700
Subject: embed/install font
In-Reply-To: <dbgnpg$5hm$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <dbgc5k$uv9$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<3F8067C5-F851-48EE-83B3-D4D4CE8E72B6@canelasoftware.com>
	<dbgnpg$5hm$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <p0621022ebf01a73b195e@[192.168.2.153]>

At 1:11 PM -0400 7/18/2005, Brad Borch wrote:
>Thanks for the pointer. I've done a fair bit of work in Director, 
>Flash, etc. A long time ago I did Hypercard work. I'm sure with a 
>little bit of guidance I'll get "custom properties," but if you 
>could just point me to a brief explanation of how this works and how 
>to "suck up" and "spit out" (as I've heard the process referred to 
>in some posts) something like another file or executable, I'd 
>appreciate it.


How to store a file in a custom property:

You can use a URL to store a file in a custom property:

   set the myStoredFile of stack "My Stack" \
      to URL "binfile:mypicture.jpg"

You restore the file by putting the custom property's value into a URL:

   put the myStoredFile of stack "My Stack" \
      into URL "binfile:mypicture.jpg"

   Tip:  To save space, compress the file before storing it:

   set the myStoredFile of stack "My Stack" \
      to compress(URL "binfile:mypicture.jpg")
-- 
jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
http://www.jaedworks.com


From b.xavier at internet.lu  Tue Jul 19 01:58:15 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:58:15 +0200
Subject: Revolution unbooted
In-Reply-To: <10612131724.20050718201055@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <20050719054944.6065C824D15@mail.runrev.com>

Mark,

No offense meant but in 5 years of NT server maintenance, 
i've never heard such non-sense.

we run servers for 5-6 months non-stop and except for service packs
or security fixes, there is absolutely no need to reboot them EVER.

3 times??? woah! I wonder who gave you that idea... ;)

Now, these are dedicated servers - my home computer is another mess
and we're talking lots of stuff running... But i never reboot unless
i really need to.

Micheal Swaine is a Mac bigot and i've never seen a response from him
or a non-biased article from him. 

Believe me, 1 reboot is sufficient - windows does its cleanups before
boot and after installations (if the installer does).

Have you seen a difference between 1, dos or 3 reboots?
I haven't in 5 years ;) - This is not MacOS (where sometimes 2 reboots
were better than 1 under some "extension" conditions.)

Im sure you'll find the right information at technet.microsoft.com.

cheers
Xavier

MacOS, NT System engineer by trade

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mark Wieder
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 05:11
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Revolution unbooted
> 
> Jon, Chipp-
> 
> Monday, July 18, 2005, 4:11:17 PM, you wrote:
> 
> CW> I concur with Jon. I regularly use 3 separate Windows XP 
> machines, 
> CW> and multiple programs on each and never find the NEED TO reboot 
> CW> them, other than for service patches and app installs.
> 
> The *need* to reboot them is subtler than that. Windows is a 
> set of multi-level interdependent drivers and libraries that 
> is dynamically rebuilt each time Windows reboots. My rule of 
> thumb when making system changes is to reboot three times - 
> each successive boot builds on the previous dependency model. 
> Things can get a bit tenuous if Windows isn't allowed to 
> reassure itself every so often about what's holding it up. 
> Michael Swaine had a good writeup of the process in an 
> article a while back called "House of Cards", but I can't 
> find a reference to it at the moment.
> 
> Granted my rebooting every day my be a bit compulsive, but I 
> figure it's a good habit to get into and this ensures that it 
> gets done.
> 
> Jon - your "eventually something becomes unstable" is 
> *exactly* what I'm talking about.
> 
> --
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> 
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From revdan at danshafer.com  Tue Jul 19 02:33:36 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 23:33:36 -0700
Subject: Revolution unbooted
In-Reply-To: <20050719054944.6065C824D15@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050719054944.6065C824D15@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <0A23E1FB-F161-43FC-8857-4CA58E1C1669@danshafer.com>

Michael is a friend and colleague and I've never heard him  
characterized as biased. Maybe the problem is he tells a truth you  
can't or don't want to hear, Xavier!

:-D

Dan

On Jul 18, 2005, at 10:58 PM, MisterX wrote:

> Micheal Swaine is a Mac bigot and i've never seen a response from him
> or a non-biased article from him.
>



From rev at armbase.com  Tue Jul 19 02:39:57 2005
From: rev at armbase.com (Bob Hartley)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:39:57 +0100
Subject: [Slightly OT] Ransomware as a Model for Rev Toolmaking?
In-Reply-To: <538D69E1-37FB-410C-A186-1FF9CE643A24@danshafer.com>
References: <538D69E1-37FB-410C-A186-1FF9CE643A24@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <gemini.ijv3ul0008smv02is.rev@armbase.com>

You wrote:

Hi Dan

> A friend of mine pointed me to an intriguing business concept called
> "RansomWare" and as I thought about it, it seemed there might be some
> possible use for it in the Rev developer community. Under this model, a
> developer offers to produce a given product, sets a development price
> threshold for it, and asks people to commit what they would be willing to
> pay for such a product if he were to produce it. 
> Once the threshold is reached, the developer completes and releases the
> product free to the entire community. 

Thsi was how the firefox porting project was funded for RISC OS
http://www.riscos.info/unix/firefox/

there used to be a UNIX porting project that was a subscription based system
to port UNIX aps (well develop a X11 lib) to RISC OS.

Then one of the main developers partially ported Firefox and showed a
partially working browser. He started a pledge'o'meter, whereby he asked for
donations to finish it. Once the donations started to roll in he continued
to work on it with the understanding that it woudl be released if they
reached 100% of the pledges.

Now RISC OS has an up to date browser.

All the best
Bob


From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Jul 19 02:49:18 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 01:49:18 -0500
Subject: Revolution unbooted
In-Reply-To: <0A23E1FB-F161-43FC-8857-4CA58E1C1669@danshafer.com>
References: <20050719054944.6065C824D15@mail.runrev.com>
	<0A23E1FB-F161-43FC-8857-4CA58E1C1669@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <42DCA26E.3080000@chipp.com>

Michael Swaine unbiased? Hmmmm. I'll file that under I believe it when I 
see it. He's been a 'Mac guy' as long as you have, Dan! Frankly, I don't 
no anyone who's truly 'unbiased' when it comes to Mac vs PC.

Besides Dan, you don't honestly believe the nonsense Mark is talking 
about..having to reboot Windows every couple of days.

Mark, all due respect, I think you need to 'upgrade' your hardware 
and/or software. We have Hemingway running non-stop 24/7 on a Windows 
server and only need to reboot when installing service patches. It 
literally runs months and months w/out a reboot.

-Chipp

Dan Shafer wrote:
> Michael is a friend and colleague and I've never heard him  
> characterized as biased. Maybe the problem is he tells a truth you  
> can't or don't want to hear, Xavier!


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jul 19 02:52:37 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 23:52:37 -0700
Subject: Revolution unbooted
In-Reply-To: <42DCA26E.3080000@chipp.com>
References: <20050719054944.6065C824D15@mail.runrev.com>	<0A23E1FB-F161-43FC-8857-4CA58E1C1669@danshafer.com>
	<42DCA26E.3080000@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <42DCA335.9030400@fourthworld.com>

FWIW, I used to reboot my Win95 machine regularly.

But then again, I used to reboot my Mac OS 9 machine regularly too. :)

With OS X and XP, I don't reboot any more.

Maybe Swain should upgrade his PC?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev


From briany at qldlearning.com  Tue Jul 19 02:55:30 2005
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 23:55:30 -0700
Subject: [Slightly OT] Ransomware as a Model for Rev Toolmaking?
In-Reply-To: <538D69E1-37FB-410C-A186-1FF9CE643A24@danshafer.com>
References: <538D69E1-37FB-410C-A186-1FF9CE643A24@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <13598520ac3159c6c6102ea6c8f67a15@qldlearning.com>

Dan,

I think it's an interesting concept, as 3rd party products are just 
starting to gain some steam in the Rev community.
For the sake of discussion, what about something like this:

 > Form a group "development account" where those of us interested in 
3rd party products can make a deposit. You are free to withdraw the 
money later, within reason since someone would have to manage the fund.

 > Allow two things to happen:
	1) A developer can "pitch" a product to the group.
	2) The group can publish bounties for desirable products

 > Use dollars as votes. So say, if I have $100 in the fund, I could 
commit $50 to one project and $50 to another.

 > Once a developer "accepts" a project, the votes (= dollars) are 
locked in until either they a) complete the project or b) fail to meet 
the timelines and/or requirements.

 > When a project is completed, the developer MUST offer credit on the 
product to their pledge(s), but is free to sell the product to others 
at full price.

EXAMPLE:

Developer X wants to create a web browser object for Revolution (we're 
pretending altBrowser doesn't already exist for sake of an example).

Developer X writes the functional specifications and presents them to 
the group. 5 members pledge $150 each, and 5 more pledge $50 for a 
total of $1000. Developer X is now guaranteed to be paid at least $1000 
for completing the project.

Developer X completes the project and is paid $1000 out of the fund. 
The new browser object goes on sale for $100. The 5 members who pledged 
$150 all get a free copy. The remaining 5 each get a $50 credit. 
Developer X sells 25 more copies for $100 each and ends up with a total 
payday of $3500.

Everyone wins in that both the developer and the buyers have their risk 
mitigated- the developer has guaranteed sales, and no one buyer has to 
fund the whole project.

Now, making "promises" to buy seems similar, but it seems to me this 
would only work if there really were a real, physical account with a 
visible balance of money sitting in it. I guarantee if 3rd party 
developers could hit a web page displaying the available group funds, 
submit a proposal, and watch the pledges roll in, they would step up a 
lot more quickly!

FWIW, my 2 cents on an interesting topic!

- Brian



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 19 05:56:25 2005
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 02:56:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: XMLRPC & Authentication
In-Reply-To: <8924e3d399e87e267ff6e4e326aea3f1@openpartnership.net>
Message-ID: <20050719095625.4924.qmail@web60519.mail.yahoo.com>

--- david bovill <david at openpartnership.net> wrote:
> Looking into sending xmlrpc calls that require basic
> http 
> authentication... any ideas as it is not documented
> in the xmlrpc 
> create request, but is AFAIK part of the libUrl
> stack... just can't 
> find any docs at the moment...
> 

Hi David,

While you can follow Andre's suggestion to do it
directly, it is an excellent enhancement request, and
I suggest you feed it to bugzilla so it can be picked
up ine of the next releases of Revolution.

The way the current library works, you cannot set your
own httpHeaders and then call revXMLRPC_Execute, as
this replaces the httpHeaders with a set of its own
before calling the web service.

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam - Tools for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

=====
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From jbondy at sover.net  Tue Jul 19 06:41:19 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 06:41:19 -0400
Subject: Revolution unbooted
In-Reply-To: <10612131724.20050718201055@ahsoftware.net>
References: <42D3F666.5070800@corvideon.ie>	<1986911287.20050718105906@ahsoftware.net>
	<42DC1391.6010708@sover.net>	<42DC3715.5080204@chipp.com>
	<10612131724.20050718201055@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <42DCD8CF.2040705@sover.net>

Mark:

My only point was that "eventually" is measured in weeks here, not in 
hours or days. With Win 98, it was often measured in minutes.

:)

Jon


Mark Wieder wrote:

>Jon, Chipp-
>
>Monday, July 18, 2005, 4:11:17 PM, you wrote:
>
>CW> I concur with Jon. I regularly use 3 separate Windows XP machines, and
>CW> multiple programs on each and never find the NEED TO reboot them, other
>CW> than for service patches and app installs.
>
>The *need* to reboot them is subtler than that. Windows is a set of
>multi-level interdependent drivers and libraries that is dynamically
>rebuilt each time Windows reboots. My rule of thumb when making system
>changes is to reboot three times - each successive boot builds on the
>previous dependency model. Things can get a bit tenuous if Windows
>isn't allowed to reassure itself every so often about what's holding
>it up. Michael Swaine had a good writeup of the process in an article
>a while back called "House of Cards", but I can't find a reference to
>it at the moment.
>
>Granted my rebooting every day my be a bit compulsive, but I figure
>it's a good habit to get into and this ensures that it gets done.
>
>Jon - your "eventually something becomes unstable" is *exactly* what
>I'm talking about.
>
>  
>


From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Tue Jul 19 08:16:12 2005
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:16:12 +0100
Subject: XMLRPC & Authentication
In-Reply-To: <20050719095625.4924.qmail@web60519.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050719095625.4924.qmail@web60519.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <53D24553-C6F5-48BC-BB71-7917150FC651@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 19 Jul 2005, at 10:56, Jan Schenkel wrote:

> --- david bovill <david at openpartnership.net> wrote:
>
>> Looking into sending xmlrpc calls that require basic
>> http
>> authentication... any ideas as it is not documented
>> in the xmlrpc
>> create request, but is AFAIK part of the libUrl
>> stack... just can't
>> find any docs at the moment...
>>
>>
>
> Hi David,
>
> While you can follow Andre's suggestion to do it
> directly, it is an excellent enhancement request, and
> I suggest you feed it to bugzilla so it can be picked
> up ine of the next releases of Revolution.
>
> The way the current library works, you cannot set your
> own httpHeaders and then call revXMLRPC_Execute, as
> this replaces the httpHeaders with a set of its own
> before calling the web service.
>
> Hope this helped,
>
> Jan Schenkel.

I'm not too sure how the revXMLRPC handlers make http requests, but  
assuming they make use of liburl, you should be able to make use of  
libUrlSetAuthCallback. There is an example in the online docs (url  
below) of how to set this up for basic authentication:

    http://support.runrev.com/resources/ 
liburlrealdocs.html#libUrlSetAuthCallback

It's not the easiest thing to set up, but once done, you can  
basically forget about it.

Cheers
Dave


From b.xavier at internet.lu  Tue Jul 19 09:16:58 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:16:58 +0200
Subject: Revolution unbooted
In-Reply-To: <42DCA26E.3080000@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <20050719130822.8E16F824A61@mail.runrev.com>


yep, sorry, i guess we had to read 
that Swaine remark with twist of sarcasm ;) 

X)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Chipp Walters
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 08:49
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Revolution unbooted
> 
> Michael Swaine unbiased? Hmmmm. I'll file that under I 
> believe it when I see it. He's been a 'Mac guy' as long as 
> you have, Dan! Frankly, I don't no anyone who's truly 
> 'unbiased' when it comes to Mac vs PC.
> 
> Besides Dan, you don't honestly believe the nonsense Mark is 
> talking about..having to reboot Windows every couple of days.
> 
> Mark, all due respect, I think you need to 'upgrade' your 
> hardware and/or software. We have Hemingway running non-stop 
> 24/7 on a Windows server and only need to reboot when 
> installing service patches. It literally runs months and 
> months w/out a reboot.
> 
> -Chipp
> 
> Dan Shafer wrote:
> > Michael is a friend and colleague and I've never heard him 
> > characterized as biased. Maybe the problem is he tells a truth you 
> > can't or don't want to hear, Xavier!
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From brad at activadesign.com  Tue Jul 19 09:29:39 2005
From: brad at activadesign.com (Brad Borch)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 09:29:39 -0400
Subject: embed/install font
In-Reply-To: <p0621022ebf01a73b195e@[192.168.2.153]>
References: <dbgc5k$uv9$1@sea.gmane.org>	<3F8067C5-F851-48EE-83B3-D4D4CE8E72B6@canelasoftware.com>	<dbgnpg$5hm$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<p0621022ebf01a73b195e@[192.168.2.153]>
Message-ID: <dbiv4k$uac$1@sea.gmane.org>

Thanks for all the help. Let's see if I understand this process:

Mac:
1. "Load" the font files as binaries into custom properties, probably 
properties of a stack, like so:

set the myStoredFont of stack "My Stack" to URL "binfile:VeraMono.ttf"

2. At runtime, check if the fonts are installed on the target machine. 
If the are not, "unload" the custom properties by writing out to the 
user's font directory, effectively installing the fonts, like so:

put the myStoredFile of stack "My Stack" into URL 
binfile:~/Library/Fonts/VeraMono.ttf"

3. The application then needs to be re-launched.



Windows:

1. Using a third-party installer tool, create an installer that stores 
the font files in itself.

2. "Load" the installer as a binary into a custom property, probably a 
property of a stack, like so:

set the myStoredInstaller of stack "My Stack" to URL 
"binfile:myInstaller.exe"

3. "Unload" that custom property back out to the user's hard drive like so:

put the myStoredInstaller of stack "My Stack" into URL 
binfile:/temp/myInstaller.exe"

4. Run the installer. The installer has the ability to locate the 
appropriate folder for fonts based on which Win flavor, and update the 
registry to point to the new fonts.

5. Delete the installer when done. The app doesn't need to be 
re-launched because the registry has been updated?


Is this right? Also, if I'm distributing on CD, what would be the 
benefit of "sucking up" the files as custom properties?



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Jul 19 10:14:29 2005
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:14:29 -0700
Subject: External for running one instance on windows
In-Reply-To: <E936C3B5-1F2E-485B-A7C4-12B957FD15F3@cableone.net>
References: <75776ce0c091d314c34a74a6577c8363@mangomultimedia.com>
	<E936C3B5-1F2E-485B-A7C4-12B957FD15F3@cableone.net>
Message-ID: <88A6F2F7-94CA-4179-8D97-73808C6C4CE3@mangomultimedia.com>

On Jul 18, 2005, at 9:15 AM, Chris Sheffield wrote:

> Hi Trevor,
>
> This is great.  I've been looking for a good solution to this  
> problem for quite some time.  I've been using a partial solution  
> with the EXT.dll, but it doesn't always work.
>
> One question:  Will this work on any version of Windows, or is it  
> specific to, say, 2000/XP?

This should work back to Windows 95.


-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Multimedia
trevor at mangomultimedia.com




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Jul 19 10:30:33 2005
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:30:33 -0700
Subject: External for running one instance on windows
In-Reply-To: <1246197611.20050718104712@ahsoftware.net>
References: <75776ce0c091d314c34a74a6577c8363@mangomultimedia.com>
	<1751560483.20050717084132@ahsoftware.net>
	<6C9C84FF-033B-4B73-8D0B-BE89DE751A0A@mangomultimedia.com>
	<1246197611.20050718104712@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <10D9306A-A670-48BB-B1E4-DACD66216AAE@mangomultimedia.com>

On Jul 18, 2005, at 10:47 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Trevor-
>
> Sunday, July 17, 2005, 12:25:01 PM, you wrote:
>
> TD> I don't know what a critical section is so it made the decision  
> much
> TD> easier :-)
>
> <g>
>
> As I understand it, they're almost the same thing - mutexes work with
> multiple threads in an single application, critical section objects
> work with multiple threads in a single process. It doesn't help things
> any that "critical section" is also used to refer to the code governed
> by a mutex.
>
> Here's a fairly concise, albeit microsoftian, writeup:
>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/ 
> dllproc/base/critical_section_objects.asp

Ah, thanks for the info.  When I searched for how most window  
developers handle having only one instance mutex objects seemed to be  
the most popular.  I guess this makes sense seeing that mutex applies  
to apps and critical sections to a single process.  In any case, it  
was much easier to implement then I thought it would be.


-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Multimedia
trevor at mangomultimedia.com




From SimPLsol at aol.com  Tue Jul 19 11:05:12 2005
From: SimPLsol at aol.com (SimPLsol at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:05:12 EDT
Subject: [Slightly OT] Ransomware as a Model for Rev Toolmaking?
Message-ID: <202.5e2e3f8.300e70a8@aol.com>

Dan,
     Why not a capitalist/capitalist model:
1.     Developer or users suggest a tool/product & define specs.
2.     One or more developers bid to create the tool/product per spec. at a 
specific price
3.     "Investors" provide the money and get "ownership" based on the 
percentage they contributed
4.     When the tool/product is finished all the investors get free copies
5.      As the finished tool/product is sold, profits are divided among the 
investors.

     We are actually doing this now - except the developer and investor are 
usually the same person.
PL


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue Jul 19 11:11:22 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:11:22 +0200
Subject: [Slightly OT] Ransomware as a Model for Rev Toolmaking?
In-Reply-To: <202.5e2e3f8.300e70a8@aol.com>
References: <202.5e2e3f8.300e70a8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <289949E1-A3C7-4CFF-BF31-C951C42FB5DC@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi PL,

Le 19 juil. 05 ? 17:05, SimPLsol at aol.com a ?crit :

> Dan,
>      Why not a capitalist/capitalist model:
> 1.     Developer or users suggest a tool/product & define specs.
> 2.     One or more developers bid to create the tool/product per  
> spec. at a
> specific price
> 3.     "Investors" provide the money and get "ownership" based on the
> percentage they contributed
> 4.     When the tool/product is finished all the investors get free  
> copies
> 5.      As the finished tool/product is sold, profits are divided  
> among the
> investors.
>
>      We are actually doing this now - except the developer and  
> investor are
> usually the same person.

It's the reason why...

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From b.xavier at internet.lu  Tue Jul 19 11:16:39 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:16:39 +0200
Subject: [Slightly OT] Ransomware as a Model for Rev Toolmaking?
In-Reply-To: <202.5e2e3f8.300e70a8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20050719150757.0FD1A824D0E@mail.runrev.com>


This happened to be word for word my best economic model for TAOO ;)

I call it contribution economic returns on a free lunch... 
;) Sorry, i jumped late in the thread ;)

cheers
Xavier

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> SimPLsol at aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 17:05
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: RE: [Slightly OT] Ransomware as a Model for Rev Toolmaking?
> 
> Dan,
>      Why not a capitalist/capitalist model:
> 1.     Developer or users suggest a tool/product & define specs.
> 2.     One or more developers bid to create the tool/product 
> per spec. at a 
> specific price
> 3.     "Investors" provide the money and get "ownership" based on the 
> percentage they contributed
> 4.     When the tool/product is finished all the investors 
> get free copies
> 5.      As the finished tool/product is sold, profits are 
> divided among the 
> investors.
> 
>      We are actually doing this now - except the developer 
> and investor are usually the same person.
> PL
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jul 19 11:16:46 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:16:46 -0500
Subject: Jacque's Great!
In-Reply-To: <p06200700bf01da1cdb6b@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376097D@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>	<42DC1621.6020502@hyperactivesw.com>
	<p06200700bf01da1cdb6b@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <42DD195E.6060606@hyperactivesw.com>

Oh gosh, guys, thanks so much. I was away all evening and didn't get
back to the computer until about 1121748600 (Jacque standard time,) and
there was all this nice stuff about me here. I'm not used to it, but it
was so nice of Tim and all the rest of you. Made my day (which up till
then wasn't so great.) I should leave and come back more often, I guess.

I WILL BE AWAY TOMORROW FROM 1121796000 TO... oh, never mind. ;)

It is true that everyone on this list is giving; it isn't just me. When
I see the amount of care and attention everyone contributes to our
community I am constantly amazed. Together we are such a wealth of
information. Together we are so...family. How could we not help each
other? Every one of you gives as much as I do -- even the newbies who
think they are asking dumb questions but who are actually opening the
fonts of knowledge for everyone's benefit.

Anyway, thanks again. Truly.

Jacque

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From chris at altuit.com  Tue Jul 19 11:21:17 2005
From: chris at altuit.com (chris at altuit.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:21:17 -0400
Subject: [Slightly OT] Ransomware as a Model for Rev Toolmaking?
Message-ID: <380-220057219152117197@M2W031.mail2web.com>

Just checked my handy copy of Jacques Pepin's "Cooking for Capitalists" and
thats the exact recipe for camel. ;-)

--
cb

Original Message:
-----------------
From:  SimPLsol at aol.com
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:05:12 EDT
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Subject: RE: [Slightly OT] Ransomware as a Model for Rev Toolmaking?


Dan,
     Why not a capitalist/capitalist model:
1.     Developer or users suggest a tool/product & define specs.
2.     One or more developers bid to create the tool/product per spec. at a 
specific price
3.     "Investors" provide the money and get "ownership" based on the 
percentage they contributed
4.     When the tool/product is finished all the investors get free copies
5.      As the finished tool/product is sold, profits are divided among the 
investors.

     We are actually doing this now - except the developer and investor are 
usually the same person.
PL
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From heather at runrev.com  Tue Jul 19 11:24:50 2005
From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Nagey)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:24:50 +0100
Subject: Introductory pricing on Quartam Reports
Message-ID: <610dc132ad31cf5f17b4feaec7311acd@runrev.com>

Dear list members,

Just a quick update. In line with Jan Schenkel's special introductory 
pricing, you can now buy Quartam Reports Professional in our store for 
only $249, and Quartam Reports Express for $99. This pricing is for a 
limited period only, so take advantage of it while you can!

www.runrev.com/buy/quartam_pro

www.runrev.com/buy/quartam_express

Warm Regards

Heather

P.S. The thread on whether or not Michael Swaine is biased and/or 
needing to reboot Windows, ever - dead. Bam. Buried. I shot it. :)


Heather Nagey, Customer Support Manager
Runtime Revolution Ltd
www.runrev.com



From b.xavier at internet.lu  Tue Jul 19 11:37:02 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:37:02 +0200
Subject: FW: Posting E-mails
Message-ID: <20050719152821.3B741824921@mail.runrev.com>

 

-----Original Message-----
From: MisterX [mailto:b.xavier at internet.lu] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 17:12
To: 'Discussions on Metacard'
Subject: RE: Posting E-mails

Hi Ray

mac or windows?

mac -> applescripts

windows -> shell tools like Postie.exe (or others)...

they do everything as far as i know...

cheers
Xavier 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: metacard-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:metacard-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Ray Horsley
> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 14:50
> To: Metacard List
> Subject: Posting E-mails
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> 
> Anybody know of a simple way to send text to an E-mail address?
> 
> 
> Ray Horsley
> Developer, LinkIt! Software
> 
> _______________________________________________
> metacard mailing list
> metacard at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
> 



From bann at sunncomm.com  Tue Jul 19 11:41:47 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 08:41:47 -0700
Subject: Problem with "Save As Standalone App"
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376097F@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>


> Hello,
> 
> 
> I am having problem with "Save As Standalone App."
> I have a Rev file (about 400,000 KB) when I save it as standalone app
> (making an exe file).  It took a long time to finish.  The exe file
size
> is only 1,620 KB.  I could not open it.  I don't know what's wrong.
> Could someone help me with this?  Thank you


------------------------------------------

We don't have enough information. Do you get an error message? Did you 
enter all the settings in the Standalone Application Settings (in the 
File menu) before you did the build?


-------------------------------------------


It took so long to finish.  I created a new folder to save it.  I opened
the folder.  It has two file myfile.rev(400,000 KB) and myfile.exe(1,650
KB).  I clicked on the myfile.exe.  It displayed an error: "cannot open
file myfile.exe, error message 0, 0"

Does anyone have any idea what's happening?

I tried to save a small application and I worked fine.  The only file
that I see after saving as standalone is .exe file (no .rev).  I don't
know if something wrong with the big file????

Please help

Thank you






From brad at activadesign.com  Tue Jul 19 11:45:45 2005
From: brad at activadesign.com (Brad Borch)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:45:45 -0400
Subject: probably really simple
Message-ID: <dbj73q$qnm$1@sea.gmane.org>

I want to save out a compressed copy of the stack. How do I reference 
the stack as a file? I tried

"put compress(URL "file:" & the effective filename of this stack) into 
url myFilePath"

but that just saves the string.



From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Jul 19 11:57:24 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:57:24 +0100
Subject: probably really simple
In-Reply-To: <dbj73q$qnm$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <dbj73q$qnm$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <42DD22E4.8070603@tweedly.net>

Brad Borch wrote:

> I want to save out a compressed copy of the stack. How do I reference 
> the stack as a file? I tried
>
> "put compress(URL "file:" & the effective filename of this stack) into 
> url myFilePath"
>
> but that just saves the string.


When you use "URL", you need to be sure that the expression following it 
is a single expression - it's safest to parenthesize it, as in

   put compress(URL ("file:" & the effective filename of this stack)) 
into url myFilePath

otherwise you get URL "file:"   as one part and
                           the effective filename of this stack  as 
another part, and join them by the "&".


-- 
Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net



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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue Jul 19 11:59:04 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:59:04 +0200
Subject: probably really simple
In-Reply-To: <dbj73q$qnm$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <dbj73q$qnm$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <20589F95-551B-46F9-86BE-54052EC3D174@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Brad,

   put url( "binfile:" & the effective filename of this stack) into  
tData
   if the platform = "MacOS" then
     put the fileType into tFileType
     set the fileType to "????ZIP "
   end if
   put compress(tData) into url("binfile:" & myFilePath & ".rev.gz")
   if the platform = "MacOS" then set the fileType to tFileType

Hope this helps :-)

Le 19 juil. 05 ? 17:45, Brad Borch a ?crit :

> I want to save out a compressed copy of the stack. How do I  
> reference the stack as a file? I tried
>
> "put compress(URL "file:" & the effective filename of this stack)  
> into url myFilePath"
>
> but that just saves the string.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From bann at sunncomm.com  Tue Jul 19 12:04:38 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 09:04:38 -0700
Subject: just testing
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E59B@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>




From see3d at writeme.com  Tue Jul 19 12:23:24 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 12:23:24 -0400
Subject: [Slightly OT] Ransomware as a Model for Rev Toolmaking?
In-Reply-To: <538D69E1-37FB-410C-A186-1FF9CE643A24@danshafer.com>
References: <538D69E1-37FB-410C-A186-1FF9CE643A24@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <5086D5D2-1D01-44AF-9E18-C731253A0E47@writeme.com>


On Jul 19, 2005, at 12:01 AM, Dan Shafer wrote:

> A friend of mine pointed me to an intriguing business concept  
> called "RansomWare" and as I thought about it, it seemed there  
> might be some possible use

I like this concept.  The pledge model (Paypal cash perhaps) with an  
open accounting of progress towards the threshold.  A lot of people  
might put in a little towards the goal even if they could not see  
paying a lot because they would not get full value out of a tool.   
They would then have use of the tool for the little they needed it  
along with everyone else.  This would be great for the "inventive  
user" type who can not justify expensive tools for part time use, or  
to play with just because it is "neat".  Everyone benefits, nobody  
loses, nobody makes a killing.  However, I would put in the incentive  
that sponsors get the first version and provide the beta feedback -- 
everyone else has to wait 3 months after release.  There might also  
be a nominal charge ($5-10) for anyone to help support the cost of   
maintenance for the first year.  The model could then be repeated if  
a new version is needed.

I would not call this capitalistic in the slightest --nor is it  
socialistic.   It is pay what it is worth to you for sponsors and, in  
time, upgrades the tools for everyone.  An investment in the  
infrastructure of our tools.

Dennis


From transcom at comcast.net  Tue Jul 19 12:46:12 2005
From: transcom at comcast.net (Michael Mandaville)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 09:46:12 -0700
Subject: Asking for Shao Sean's Calendar Object 
Message-ID: <BF027C64.193E%transcom@comcast.net>

I am working through the Dan Shafer book and couldn't find the Shao Sean's
Calendar Object

A previous Runrev submission said that it was at...

http://www.shaosean.tk/

But it is NOT posted.

Does anybody have this stack for me to download.  Or could you email it to
me?

Thank you very much,

Michael Mandaville
transcom at comcast.net





From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Jul 19 12:00:13 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 09:00:13 -0700
Subject: Revolution unbooted
In-Reply-To: <42DCA335.9030400@fourthworld.com>
References: <20050719054944.6065C824D15@mail.runrev.com>
	<0A23E1FB-F161-43FC-8857-4CA58E1C1669@danshafer.com>
	<42DCA26E.3080000@chipp.com> <42DCA335.9030400@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <1541275123.20050719090013@ahsoftware.net>

Richard-

Monday, July 18, 2005, 11:52:37 PM, you wrote:

RG> FWIW, I used to reboot my Win95 machine regularly.

RG> But then again, I used to reboot my Mac OS 9 machine regularly too. :)

RG> With OS X and XP, I don't reboot any more.

To be fair, the article I'm thinking of probably *was* vintage Windows
98 (so twentieth-century). I do have to say that the NT-based products
are much more stable over the long run. But as this is somewhat OT,
I'm ducking out of here.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Jul 19 11:57:20 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 08:57:20 -0700
Subject: Revolution unbooted
In-Reply-To: <0A23E1FB-F161-43FC-8857-4CA58E1C1669@danshafer.com>
References: <20050719054944.6065C824D15@mail.runrev.com>
	<0A23E1FB-F161-43FC-8857-4CA58E1C1669@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <401101734.20050719085720@ahsoftware.net>

Dan-

Monday, July 18, 2005, 11:33:36 PM, you wrote:

DS> Michael is a friend and colleague and I've never heard him  
DS> characterized as biased. Maybe the problem is he tells a truth you
DS> can't or don't want to hear, Xavier!

Why, Dan, you almost make being biased sound like a bad thing... <g>

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk  Tue Jul 19 13:04:00 2005
From: david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk (David Glasgow)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:04:00 +0100
Subject: Parsing Encase forensic software report files
In-Reply-To: <20050716170003.B50F4824F10@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050716170003.B50F4824F10@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <7be8a27add928372bbe5e816c7583025@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>

By some amazing coincidence, is there anyone out there who might have 
knowledge about the structure and format of EnCase forensic software 
report files?  I want to parse and analyse them in order to generate 
what might be called a 'meta-report'.

For those of you who know what EnCase is and might think I am from The 
Dark Side, fear not.  I have asked Guidance Software ( 
http://www.encase.com) twice for help with this project, but they have 
not even graced me with a reply.  I would be happy to share  off list 
what I am doing.

Best Wishes,

David Glasgow

http://www.i-psych.co.uk



From gbrackett at luceatlux.com  Tue Jul 19 13:32:16 2005
From: gbrackett at luceatlux.com (George Brackett)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:32:16 -0400
Subject: black button highlight in XP Pro
Message-ID: <9FA43B6F-2BF6-4501-8A69-73D02D3883AC@luceatlux.com>

I develop on the Mac (OS X 10.4.2)  and my current project highlights  
buttons while the actions they lead to are taking place.  On Windows  
XP, the stack's instruction "set the highlight of me to true" colors  
the entire button black.  (Theme is standard Windows)  Any way to fix  
this unfortunate behavior?  Or am I doing something wrong?  -- George


From brad at activadesign.com  Tue Jul 19 13:33:45 2005
From: brad at activadesign.com (Brad Borch)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:33:45 -0400
Subject: ftp problem
Message-ID: <dbjdeb$gb3$1@sea.gmane.org>

I have a script to upload a file to an ftp site:

   libURLftpUpload compress(fData), myURLstring

   repeat while URLStatus(myURLstring) is NOT "uploaded"
      put URLStatus(myURLstring) && the long time
   end repeat

but this is the message I get:

uploading, 511814,511814 1:30:32 PM

so it looks like the file is completely uploaded, but the server isn't 
acknowledging it or something?



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue Jul 19 13:59:26 2005
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:59:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Asking for Shao Sean's Calendar Object 
In-Reply-To: <BF027C64.193E%transcom@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507191056290.9194-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Well, Dan,

I guess this goes to show that people are reading (and, hopefully, hence,
_buying_) your book, so I'm hoping we'll be seeing Vol. II sometime soon??

Judy


On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, Michael Mandaville wrote:

> I am working through the Dan Shafer book and couldn't find the Shao Sean's
> Calendar Object



From userev at canelasoftware.com  Tue Jul 19 14:14:09 2005
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:14:09 -0700
Subject: Jacque's Great!
In-Reply-To: <42DC3C9A.4020305@fourthworld.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376097D@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>	<42DC1621.6020502@hyperactivesw.com>	<p06200700bf01da1cdb6b@[10.0.1.2]>	<42DC3A09.1000003@fourthworld.com>
	<395A555B-ABD7-4715-A484-83D78781C75B@mac.com>
	<42DC3C9A.4020305@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CED081F3-1A5B-45E9-A976-6E56EC7865D7@canelasoftware.com>


On Jul 18, 2005, at 4:34 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> These days there's plenty of work to go around.  Let's just hope  
> Rev doesn't become so popular that we get commoditized like VB and  
> Java programmers....  ;)
>
> It's a good thing for future Rev scripters that I don't own the  
> company:   it's such a competitive advantage for our clients that  
> I'd stop selling it and make it a private club for existing  
> customers only. :)


I hear you on that.  I would do the same if it was up to me.  Luckily  
for all the future users yet to find this wonderful tool, it will be  
there for them.


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From userev at canelasoftware.com  Tue Jul 19 14:37:37 2005
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:37:37 -0700
Subject: embed/install font
In-Reply-To: <dbiv4k$uac$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <dbgc5k$uv9$1@sea.gmane.org>	<3F8067C5-F851-48EE-83B3-D4D4CE8E72B6@canelasoftware.com>	<dbgnpg$5hm$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<p0621022ebf01a73b195e@[192.168.2.153]>
	<dbiv4k$uac$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <16C467DD-CBD8-442E-98BD-8CF0211A503F@canelasoftware.com>


On Jul 19, 2005, at 6:29 AM, Brad Borch wrote:

> Thanks for all the help. Let's see if I understand this process:
>
> Mac:
> 1. "Load" the font files as binaries into custom properties,  
> probably properties of a stack, like so:
>
> set the myStoredFont of stack "My Stack" to URL "binfile:VeraMono.ttf"
>
> 2. At runtime, check if the fonts are installed on the target  
> machine. If the are not, "unload" the custom properties by writing  
> out to the user's font directory, effectively installing the fonts,  
> like so:
>
> put the myStoredFile of stack "My Stack" into URL binfile:~/Library/ 
> Fonts/VeraMono.ttf"
>
> 3. The application then needs to be re-launched.



This is correct!



> Windows:
>
> 1. Using a third-party installer tool, create an installer that  
> stores the font files in itself.
>
> 2. "Load" the installer as a binary into a custom property,  
> probably a property of a stack, like so:
>
> set the myStoredInstaller of stack "My Stack" to URL  
> "binfile:myInstaller.exe"
>
> 3. "Unload" that custom property back out to the user's hard drive  
> like so:
>
> put the myStoredInstaller of stack "My Stack" into URL binfile:/ 
> temp/myInstaller.exe"
>
> 4. Run the installer. The installer has the ability to locate the  
> appropriate folder for fonts based on which Win flavor, and update  
> the registry to point to the new fonts.
>
> 5. Delete the installer when done. The app doesn't need to be re- 
> launched because the registry has been updated?
>
>
> Is this right? Also, if I'm distributing on CD, what would be the  
> benefit of "sucking up" the files as custom properties?
>

This is also correct.  The reason I store the installer in a custom  
property is because my users have to pay for the fonts.  This way I  
can check a registration number before running the Win installer.   
You can also do it this way to do the check on the existing fonts in  
Rev code before exposing them to the installer.  As is your case, the  
font is free and thus there is no need to hide the font from the  
user.  You could just reference the separate Win installer from your  
Rev app and go from there.  Once someone learns the needed registry  
settings, we can forgo Win installer all together.  That will be the  
best solution aside from embedded fonts.


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Tue Jul 19 14:44:02 2005
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:44:02 -0700
Subject: Jacque's Great!
In-Reply-To: <8311402515.20050718195845@ahsoftware.net>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376097D@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
	<42DC1621.6020502@hyperactivesw.com> <p06200700bf01da1cdb6b@[10.0.1.2]>
	<8311402515.20050718195845@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <p06200703bf02f9be458d@[10.0.1.2]>

>Timothy-
>
>Monday, July 18, 2005, 4:04:38 PM, you wrote:
>
>TM> I've retained Jacque (as in J. Landman Gay) as a Rev consultant, on a
>
>Ah... you're in good hands then. Just watch her estimates - she tends
>to list everything in seconds these days... <g>
>
>TM> (BTW, the debugger anomaly, discussed last week, if anyone remembers
>TM> it, turned out to be a bug. It will only debug a bg script on card 1
>TM> of the background. I built a fresh, clean stack in 2.6.1 to confirm
>TM> it. It's been posted on BZ. That one wasn't dumb, contrary to my own
>TM> self-doubt.)
>
>Thanks for persevering on that one. I was convinced it was something
>in your code. BTW - if you publish the BZ number it's easier to find
>and vote for bugs. That one's #3011 - took me several tries to find
>it. I just verified it myself and threw five votes its way.
>
>--
>-Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>

Regarding the perseverance, you're welcome Mark. It was probably a 
good troubleshooting experience for me.

Actually, Jacque posted it on BZ. I didn't feel qualified to confirm 
it was a bug. She thought that if no one else had noticed it, it 
couldn't be a very serious problem, and Rev would probably fix it 
pretty quick anyway. I hope I quoted you correctly, J.

Tim


From mp31199 at students.nebo.edu  Tue Jul 19 14:35:28 2005
From: mp31199 at students.nebo.edu (Matthew)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 12:35:28 -0600
Subject: External for running one instance on windows
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445E6@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <web-7150519@mail.nebo.edu>

There is another way to check if an instance is running 
that will work on all OS. When you start the program you 
create a file if it is not already there. If it is there 
then you close the program.

I hope this helps.

Sincerely, Matt


From bann at sunncomm.com  Tue Jul 19 14:52:33 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:52:33 -0700
Subject: substack locations????
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E59C@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>

Hello,

I have an application with one main stack and 6 substacks.  For some
reason, all the substacks are displayed in the right location on my
computer which I used to develop the application.  I tried the
application on a different computer and all the substacks are display in
different locations.  Do you have any idea?







From rjearp at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 19 15:03:05 2005
From: rjearp at hotmail.com (Bob Earp)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 12:03:05 -0700
Subject: Icons for plugins
Message-ID: <BAY23-F167916460AA39E35C08A4D1D40@phx.gbl>

Thanks to all for responding to my request.  Unfortuantely Chip's altPlugin 
only seems to accept .png as a graphic format, so I went ahead and made some 
32 x 32 pixel .png icons for RevNet, Color Picker, Resource Picker and 
Scripters Scrapbook.  They're not glamourous, but at least they are a tad 
better than the default white "?" on a blue background ;-)

I'd upload them to my space on the Rev server if I could get soembody to 
send me a b..... key to let me get on it (3 tries already to no avail), but 
in the meantime if anybody would like a copy of the icons please e-mail me 
at rjearp at hotmail.com

best, Bob...

Bob Earp - White Rock, B.C.

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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jul 19 15:05:43 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:05:43 -0500
Subject: Jacque's Great!
In-Reply-To: <p06200703bf02f9be458d@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376097D@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>	<42DC1621.6020502@hyperactivesw.com>
	<p06200700bf01da1cdb6b@[10.0.1.2]>	<8311402515.20050718195845@ahsoftware.net>
	<p06200703bf02f9be458d@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <42DD4F07.10006@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/19/05 1:44 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:

> Actually, Jacque posted it on BZ. I didn't feel qualified to confirm it 
> was a bug. She thought that if no one else had noticed it, it couldn't 
> be a very serious problem, and Rev would probably fix it pretty quick 
> anyway. I hope I quoted you correctly, J.

Yes. But just yesterday someone wrote to tech support about the same 
thing. So maybe more people than I suspected are running into the bug 
and just not reporting it.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Jul 19 15:24:47 2005
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 12:24:47 -0700
Subject: External for running one instance on windows
In-Reply-To: <web-7150519@mail.nebo.edu>
References: <web-7150519@mail.nebo.edu>
Message-ID: <EA81BD75-F755-48E2-9126-B3992A71A929@mangomultimedia.com>

On Jul 19, 2005, at 11:35 AM, Matthew wrote:

> There is another way to check if an instance is running that will  
> work on all OS. When you start the program you create a file if it  
> is not already there. If it is there then you close the program.
>
> I hope this helps.

Unfortunately you will run into problems if your application  
crashes.  The file will stay around and when you try to launch your  
app again it thinks it is already running.  You can come up with  
schemes to work around this but using a mutex is much more reliable  
and easier on Windows.  On Mac you don't have to worry about multiple  
instances for each user.  I don't do any Linux development right now  
so I can't comment on that.

The file method would work better if Revolution would allow you to  
get a lock on a file so that nobody else can access it.  I didn't see  
a way to do this with open file.  If this were the case then I think  
you could open the file and lock anybody else out from reading it.    
Then if another instance of your app launched and tried to open the  
file an error would be returned.  If the app crashed then I think the  
lock on the file would be released.


-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Multimedia
trevor at mangomultimedia.com




From briany at qldlearning.com  Tue Jul 19 15:30:50 2005
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 12:30:50 -0700
Subject: [Slightly OT] Ransomware as a Model for Rev Toolmaking?
In-Reply-To: <202.5e2e3f8.300e70a8@aol.com>
References: <202.5e2e3f8.300e70a8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6306b1fb4f8bcfa4ffead6b184647ce4@qldlearning.com>

Not to make this a debate, but...

What I don't like about the system below (and why I think it hasn't 
happened already to any great extent) is:
* Investors will have to put a lot more money up for the developer to 
give up ownership of the product to the investors
* Multiple investors "owning" a product and dividing profits is a pain 
(and not so lucrative)

Rather, I think it's good to drive down the initial cost (so people 
will actually buy in), and allow *someone* to have some real profit 
potential, as I don't think a 3rd party Rev product split too many ways 
excites anyone just yet.

Just my 2 cents!

> Dan,
>      Why not a capitalist/capitalist model:
> 1.     Developer or users suggest a tool/product & define specs.
> 2.     One or more developers bid to create the tool/product per spec. 
> at a
> specific price
> 3.     "Investors" provide the money and get "ownership" based on the
> percentage they contributed
> 4.     When the tool/product is finished all the investors get free 
> copies
> 5.      As the finished tool/product is sold, profits are divided 
> among the
> investors.
>
>      We are actually doing this now - except the developer and 
> investor are
> usually the same person.



From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Jul 19 15:59:55 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:59:55 -0500
Subject: Jacque's Great!
In-Reply-To: <42DD4F07.10006@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376097D@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>	<42DC1621.6020502@hyperactivesw.com>	<p06200700bf01da1cdb6b@[10.0.1.2]>	<8311402515.20050718195845@ahsoftware.net>	<p06200703bf02f9be458d@[10.0.1.2]>
	<42DD4F07.10006@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <42DD5BBB.4050005@chipp.com>

I just like reading the subject line, and didn't want this thread to die.

-Chipp


From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Jul 19 16:07:43 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:07:43 -0500
Subject: [Slightly OT] Ransomware as a Model for Rev Toolmaking?
In-Reply-To: <6306b1fb4f8bcfa4ffead6b184647ce4@qldlearning.com>
References: <202.5e2e3f8.300e70a8@aol.com>
	<6306b1fb4f8bcfa4ffead6b184647ce4@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <42DD5D8F.1000309@chipp.com>

Brian, I agree with you. Especially about the 'multiple owners' part. 
Having 1 or 2 partners isn't bad, but too many more and Chris is right 
about 'the camel.'

But, that being said, I do think it can work out where everyone has 
ownership of the code and can do what they want with it outside of 
certain boundries.

IMO, I think the developer needs to at least make his hourly wage. 
Hopefully, he'll make more with future revenues based on his code.

Overall, the concept of 'selling your idea' first, garnering some cash 
support, and then building a product, isn't bad. Outside of the 
ownership issues you bring up, and basic issues of trust, there is room 
for this concept to work.

best,

Chipp

Brian Yennie wrote:
> Not to make this a debate, but...
> 
> What I don't like about the system below (and why I think it hasn't 
> happened already to any great extent) is:
> * Investors will have to put a lot more money up for the developer to 
> give up ownership of the product to the investors
> * Multiple investors "owning" a product and dividing profits is a pain 
> (and not so lucrative)
> 
> Rather, I think it's good to drive down the initial cost (so people will 
> actually buy in), and allow *someone* to have some real profit 
> potential, as I don't think a 3rd party Rev product split too many ways 
> excites anyone just yet.


From YourSignup at Yahoo.com  Tue Jul 19 16:08:55 2005
From: YourSignup at Yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:08:55 -1000
Subject: GIF License
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEEHHJAA.YourSignup@Yahoo.com>

Anyone know if a license is still required to export snapshot ... as GIF? If
so, what does this cost? -Jim


From see3d at writeme.com  Tue Jul 19 16:27:49 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:27:49 -0400
Subject: [Slightly OT] Ransomware as a Model for Rev Toolmaking?
In-Reply-To: <42DD5D8F.1000309@chipp.com>
References: <202.5e2e3f8.300e70a8@aol.com>
	<6306b1fb4f8bcfa4ffead6b184647ce4@qldlearning.com>
	<42DD5D8F.1000309@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <F579D913-BCDD-4D2F-B20B-9162C3B1DA77@writeme.com>

I don't think this was brought up as a way to create products for  
profit.  It is a way to finance upgrading tools for everyone with the  
primary programmer being paid a reasonable hourly wage.  Am I reading  
this wrong???

Dennis

On Jul 19, 2005, at 4:07 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Brian, I agree with you. Especially about the 'multiple owners'  
> part. Having 1 or 2 partners isn't bad, but too many more and Chris  
> is right about 'the camel.'
>
> But, that being said, I do think it can work out where everyone has  
> ownership of the code and can do what they want with it outside of  
> certain boundries.
>
> IMO, I think the developer needs to at least make his hourly wage.  
> Hopefully, he'll make more with future revenues based on his code.
>
> Overall, the concept of 'selling your idea' first, garnering some  
> cash support, and then building a product, isn't bad. Outside of  
> the ownership issues you bring up, and basic issues of trust, there  
> is room for this concept to work.
>
> best,
>
> Chipp
>
> Brian Yennie wrote:
>
>> Not to make this a debate, but...
>> What I don't like about the system below (and why I think it  
>> hasn't happened already to any great extent) is:
>> * Investors will have to put a lot more money up for the developer  
>> to give up ownership of the product to the investors
>> * Multiple investors "owning" a product and dividing profits is a  
>> pain (and not so lucrative)
>> Rather, I think it's good to drive down the initial cost (so  
>> people will actually buy in), and allow *someone* to have some  
>> real profit potential, as I don't think a 3rd party Rev product  
>> split too many ways excites anyone just yet.
>>
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From SimPLsol at aol.com  Tue Jul 19 16:48:29 2005
From: SimPLsol at aol.com (SimPLsol at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:48:29 EDT
Subject: [Slightly OT] Ransomware as a Model for Rev Toolmaking?
Message-ID: <19c.37ab16b9.300ec11d@aol.com>

briany writes:
* Investors will have to put a lot more money up for the developer to
give up ownership of the product to the investors
* Multiple investors "owning" a product and dividing profits is a pain
(and not so lucrative)
... I don't think a 3rd party Rev product split too many ways
excites anyone just yet

Regarding point 1:
     There is no reason why the developer can't be one of the investors. Lets 
say the developer bids a 20,000 project and the investors agree to this 
price. Three investors invest 5,000 each. The developer discounts his/her 
contribution 5,000. Everyone has 5,000 invested and they all own 1/4 interest.
     Right now the developer is generally fronting all of the development 
costs and retaining total ownership. That is alright but some bigger projects 
(brighter ideas) require more financing and this model accommodates it. Better 
sometimes to own a smaller piece of a bigger pie.
     With this idea the developer has the option of surrendering as much (and 
only as much) interest in the project as he/she wants or can afford.
Regarding point 2:
     Most of the most famous corporations in the world (General Motors, 
Pfizer, Microsoft, Ford, Boeing, Nestle, etc.) use this model. Most large companies 
are "owned" by many stockholders - and it seems to be working. Arguably, gov
ernments are "owned" by many taxpayers.
     An option might be to limit the buyin price, say minimum investment of 
1,000 or 10,000 or ? This would be variable by project. Another option is to 
limit the number of investors - again, variable by project.
Regarding point 3
     If the product fills a need at a reasonable price, why would the users 
care how the profits are split?

     This idea, if implemented properly, would make it easier to create new 
products that are too big for individual developers and too small (or 
unimportant) for the Mother Ship.
PL


From jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr  Tue Jul 19 17:18:39 2005
From: jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 23:18:39 +0200
Subject: GIF License
References: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEEHHJAA.YourSignup@Yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42DD6E2A.903FF729@Club-Internet.fr>



Jim Bufalini a *crit :

> Anyone know if a license is still required to export snapshot ... as GIF? If
> so, what does this cost? -Jim

please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the patent
expired recently, at least for certain countries...

JB



From jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr  Tue Jul 19 17:24:17 2005
From: jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 23:24:17 +0200
Subject: GIF License
References: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEEHHJAA.YourSignup@Yahoo.com>
	<42DD6E2A.903FF729@Club-Internet.fr>
Message-ID: <42DD6F7C.CE2CC689@Club-Internet.fr>



>
>
> > Anyone know if a license is still required to export snapshot ... as GIF? If
> > so, what does this cost? -Jim
>
> please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the patent
> expired recently, at least for certain countries...
>
> JB
>

indeed, a simple google search about "gif patent" will give you
plenty of info...

JB



From jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr  Tue Jul 19 17:33:49 2005
From: jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 23:33:49 +0200
Subject: [Slightly OT] Ransomware as a Model for Rev Toolmaking?
References: <19c.37ab16b9.300ec11d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <42DD71B8.7045D835@Club-Internet.fr>



>
>      This idea, if implemented properly, would make it easier to create new
> products that are too big for individual developers and too small (or
> unimportant) for the Mother Ship.
> PL

what kind of products do you guys have in mind ?

Rev improvements (like libraries, Transcript extensions...) that
would be usefull to developpers ? in that case, some technical help
from Runrev would certainely be required... and I'm not sure that
distribution outside of Rev would be easy...

or products for specific markets developped with Rev ? in that case
advertising outside this list (to find investors) would be necessary...

JB



From briany at qldlearning.com  Tue Jul 19 17:31:03 2005
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:31:03 -0700
Subject: [Slightly OT] Ransomware as a Model for Rev Toolmaking?
In-Reply-To: <19c.37ab16b9.300ec11d@aol.com>
References: <19c.37ab16b9.300ec11d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <92b0beab41f97a1ea219fac4ed978ee1@qldlearning.com>

> Regarding point 1:
>      There is no reason why the developer can't be one of the 
> investors. Lets
> say the developer bids a 20,000 project and the investors agree to this
> price. Three investors invest 5,000 each. The developer discounts 
> his/her
> contribution 5,000. Everyone has 5,000 invested and they all own 1/4 
> interest.

I don't see how that would work. A developer can't just arbitrarily 
invest in his/her own work without actually putting money down, or all 
of the other investors become unfairly diluted.

I suppose if all of the investors were forced to agree to the 
developer's contribution it might work, but how is that different from 
just offering him/her a percentage of profits?

As I see it, you're just saying that part of the agreement would be the 
developer's cut of the profits. Which is fine, but I think it would 
work better if there was a standard process rather than a lot of 
individual negotiations.

>      Right now the developer is generally fronting all of the 
> development
> costs and retaining total ownership. That is alright but some bigger 
> projects
> (brighter ideas) require more financing and this model accommodates 
> it. Better
> sometimes to own a smaller piece of a bigger pie.

Not disagreeing with that at all.

>      With this idea the developer has the option of surrendering as 
> much (and
> only as much) interest in the project as he/she wants or can afford.

That's fine- but it just amounts to reserving a portion of the profits 
for the developer, which of course could be part of any agreement. 
There is no need to draw it up as cash investment in one's self.

> Regarding point 2:
>      Most of the most famous corporations in the world (General Motors,
> Pfizer, Microsoft, Ford, Boeing, Nestle, etc.) use this model. Most 
> large companies
> are "owned" by many stockholders - and it seems to be working. 
> Arguably, gov
> ernments are "owned" by many taxpayers.

I see your point, but developing an add-on for Revolution doesn't even 
remotely resemble raising capital for a billion dollar corporation. 
Most very small companies are NOT owned by many stockholders, and we're 
talking about something even smaller than a small company- a single 
project.

>      An option might be to limit the buyin price, say minimum 
> investment of
> 1,000 or 10,000 or ? This would be variable by project. Another option 
> is to
> limit the number of investors - again, variable by project.

Sounds complicated to me. If we're cooking up new investor agreements 
for every project, we're pretty much back where we started. We can 
already do that all we want. What I was proposing was a standardized 
process that goes through a single buyer group.

> Regarding point 3
>      If the product fills a need at a reasonable price, why would the 
> users
> care how the profits are split?

Users don't care how the profits are split- the people splitting the 
profits do. I wasn't clear enough I guess- I meant "everyone" to be 
everyone investing in the project.

>      This idea, if implemented properly, would make it easier to 
> create new
> products that are too big for individual developers and too small (or
> unimportant) for the Mother Ship

Agreed here! I'm not married to my scenario either. I would be cool to 
see happen.

- Brian



From jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr  Tue Jul 19 17:41:15 2005
From: jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 23:41:15 +0200
Subject: [Slightly OT] Ransomware as a Model for Rev Toolmaking?
References: <19c.37ab16b9.300ec11d@aol.com>
	<42DD71B8.7045D835@Club-Internet.fr>
Message-ID: <42DD7376.A4FD49D2@Club-Internet.fr>



> >
> >      This idea, if implemented properly, would make it easier to create new
> > products that are too big for individual developers and too small (or
> > unimportant) for the Mother Ship.
> > PL
>

one more (rather paranoid) thought : to find investors you need
to advertise your project publicly, and since investors aren't
usually found overnight, what would hinder anyone else to
start working on the same project, or even patent the product ?

I'm not trying to be the devil's advocate, but I have that curious
feeling that this is the kind of idea that works pretty well on paper,
but not so well in real life...

please prove me wrong...

JB



From briany at qldlearning.com  Tue Jul 19 17:36:45 2005
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:36:45 -0700
Subject: [Slightly OT] Ransomware as a Model for Rev Toolmaking?
In-Reply-To: <F579D913-BCDD-4D2F-B20B-9162C3B1DA77@writeme.com>
References: <202.5e2e3f8.300e70a8@aol.com>
	<6306b1fb4f8bcfa4ffead6b184647ce4@qldlearning.com>
	<42DD5D8F.1000309@chipp.com>
	<F579D913-BCDD-4D2F-B20B-9162C3B1DA77@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <41e700a4d0d8b69b8bd06273e8df1e43@qldlearning.com>

Dennis,

Good point. We should probably figure out which it is.

I'll be totally frank- I'm much more likely to participate in this as 
the "developer", and so that probably has everything to do with why I 
would craft up a scenario in which I would have sufficient incentive to 
participate in.

As a developer, I can already fill more hours than I have with my 
desired hourly wage, so any project who's upper limit is to *maybe* get 
me a reasonable hourly wage isn't going to be a top priority. It's a 
start, but it's not a beacon for developers to jump in.

Truth be told, I WOULD make time to create tools for this community for 
less profit than I would for some other clients, but I would be 
gangbusters about it if it was also a good deal for me.

- Brian

> I don't think this was brought up as a way to create products for 
> profit.  It is a way to finance upgrading tools for everyone with the 
> primary programmer being paid a reasonable hourly wage.  Am I reading 
> this wrong???
>
> Dennis



From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Jul 19 17:42:44 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:42:44 -0500
Subject: GIF License
In-Reply-To: <42DD6F7C.CE2CC689@Club-Internet.fr>
References: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEEHHJAA.YourSignup@Yahoo.com>	<42DD6E2A.903FF729@Club-Internet.fr>
	<42DD6F7C.CE2CC689@Club-Internet.fr>
Message-ID: <42DD73D4.8080902@chipp.com>

Last I tried, 'export...as GIF' works.

-Chipp


>>>Anyone know if a license is still required to export snapshot ... as GIF? If
>>>so, what does this cost? -Jim


From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Tue Jul 19 17:44:55 2005
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:44:55 +0100
Subject: ftp problem
In-Reply-To: <dbjdeb$gb3$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <dbjdeb$gb3$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <AC224AC1-82E2-417E-8748-D86E94DC7AA7@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 19 Jul 2005, at 18:33, Brad Borch wrote:

> I have a script to upload a file to an ftp site:
>
>   libURLftpUpload compress(fData), myURLstring
>
>   repeat while URLStatus(myURLstring) is NOT "uploaded"
>      put URLStatus(myURLstring) && the long time
>   end repeat
>
> but this is the message I get:
>
> uploading, 511814,511814 1:30:32 PM
>
> so it looks like the file is completely uploaded, but the server  
> isn't acknowledging it or something?

I think what you are seeing is what you would expect. The message is  
the last status displayed prior to the status changing to "uploaded".  
Once it changes, your repeat loop will exit and no further status  
messages will appear.

However, the repeat loop after the libUrlFtpUpload is not a good  
idea. I'm surprised you are even seeing the "uploading" message.  
libUrl carries out everything in a normal Rev script. The repeat loop  
will run continuouly and block other scripts running.

The script below is a safer way to handle this:

on mouseUp ## or in whatever handler
   libURLftpUpload compress(fData), myURLstring
   showStatus myURLstring
end mouseUp

on showStatus pUrl
   put urlStatus(pUrl) into tStatus
   put tStatus
   if tStatus is not among the items of "uploaded,error,timeout" then
     send "showStatus pUrl" to me in 50 milliseconds
   end if
end showStatus


Cheers
Dave




From revolution at derbrill.de  Tue Jul 19 17:45:27 2005
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 23:45:27 +0200
Subject: a maze-game stack?
In-Reply-To: <20050719212334.53018824D0E@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <6B3D888E-F89E-11D9-B15D-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>

Hi Nicolas,

 >(oh! how I wish "arcadeEngine" had come out
 >just a couple of weeks earlier!)

I had a hard time keeping me from posting that there?ll be something to 
help soon. :-)

 >As for the maze itelf, the only options I
 >see are to "draw" the maze either with
 >(a) a graphics application and then import
 >it to the stack, or (b) RunRev's "create"
 >command. I'd prefer option (b), since it'd
 >allow a new maze to be created for each
 >new game.

Perfectly doable within Rev. You have many options there. You could 
make up the maze either from graphic objects or draw a few wall pieces 
in a graphics editor, import them and make up a map from buttons using 
the pieces as an icon. How would you like to create the maze? Randomly 
(a bit hard) or from a set of template mazes?

 >And as for the "bumped" algorithm, I'm
 >hoping arcadeEngine's "collision" function
 >will make things relatively simple.

A perfect job for ArcadeEngine.

If you need any assistance creating the game, we could discuss this in 
the ArcadeEngine Forum

http://www.derbrill.com/arcadeengine/forum

or on list if the others do not mind.

Cheers,

Malte



From nicolas_cueto at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 19 17:55:15 2005
From: nicolas_cueto at yahoo.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 06:55:15 +0900
Subject: substack locations????
Message-ID: <005b01c58cac$8cda56b0$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>

A stack's location is set thru its "location" 
property. For example, if the coordinates of the
right location for a substack/stack are 800,400 
then try this in that stack's script:

on preOpenstack
  set the location of me to 800,400
end preOpenstack

You can likewise retrieve the location of a stack.
E.g., type this in the Message Box:

put the location of stack "substackABC"

Cheers,
Nicolas Cueto


From david at openpartnership.net  Tue Jul 19 18:05:53 2005
From: david at openpartnership.net (david bovill)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 00:05:53 +0200
Subject: [Slightly OT] Ransomware as a Model for Rev Toolmaking?
In-Reply-To: <41e700a4d0d8b69b8bd06273e8df1e43@qldlearning.com>
References: <202.5e2e3f8.300e70a8@aol.com>
	<6306b1fb4f8bcfa4ffead6b184647ce4@qldlearning.com>
	<42DD5D8F.1000309@chipp.com>
	<F579D913-BCDD-4D2F-B20B-9162C3B1DA77@writeme.com>
	<41e700a4d0d8b69b8bd06273e8df1e43@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <b15b3bfa195fbee99c8c762b4184502b@openpartnership.net>

It's always refreshing to come back to this list.

I've been on a journey exploring financial models for open source and 
Creative Commons content creation and community building... currently 
involved in applying the concepts talked about here to open software 
and digital film and video content production.

And of course Revolution is the heart of this for me - the Revolution 
will not be Televised - currently playing :)

The ransom model is one way of phrasing this, while there is much talk 
in Creative Commons circles of "alternative compensation systems". For 
my part I prefer the term "commissioning currencies" or "creative 
currencies" - these are secure digital currencies which can be used in 
complex collaborations designed ultimately to create open software, 
while in the process ensuring that developers get paid or at least a 
fair slice of any revenues that the project creates.

I am currently in Vienna and working for a new startup Community TV 
Station with parallels to Current TV in the states (launching August 
1st). Over the next 2 months we will be working to embed a secure 
currency framework within Revolution to allow just this sort of 
collaboration.

Currencies are not the only element required to make this work, a 
robust legal framework (based on LLP or LLC partnership models) 
combined with good project management infrastructure is also needed to 
avoid dilution of value (quality) and an open but legally robust 
dispute resolution framework are also needed if this sort of 
collaboration is to seriously facilitate quality software or creative 
content production.

Continue the  thread!



From Thomas at vonfintel.org  Tue Jul 19 18:22:27 2005
From: Thomas at vonfintel.org (Thomas von Fintel)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 00:22:27 +0200
Subject: Problem downloading engine for Mac OS fat and Mac OS 68k
Message-ID: <9ee59e3abc2ec575bf96a597caf1e321@vonfintel.org>

I try to build a standalone for various platforms. When I check Mac OS 
fat and Mac OS 68k in "Standalone Application Settings" dialog, Rev 2.6 
offers to download the engines but soon says "Problem downloading 
engine". The engines I manually downloaded from ftp.runrev.com 
(pub/revolution/downloads/engines) get unstuffed to files MacOSfat.dir 
and MacOS68k.dir, that are not recognized as valid engines.

Where do I get usable engines?

Thanks in advance
Thomas



From yoursignup at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 19 18:42:32 2005
From: yoursignup at yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 12:42:32 -1000
Subject: GIF License
In-Reply-To: <42DD73D4.8080902@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLCEEKHJAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>

Chipp,

Hmmm. It *appears* to work, but trying to link to it from html viewing in MS
IE doesn't work (shows the little X in a frame), and for example FireWorks
says its an unknown format. On the other hand, it does display in FireFox,
Design mode of DreamWeaver and Windows XP preview! I have no problem using
the identical script, changing GIF to JPEG. It produces a perfectly fine
jpg. This is what was leading me to believe it was some kind of encoding
problem.

export snapshot from rect the rect of stack ImageHolder to file tPictFileNm
as GIF

Jim

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[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of Chipp
Walters
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 11:43 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: GIF License


Last I tried, 'export...as GIF' works.

-Chipp


>>>Anyone know if a license is still required to export snapshot ... as GIF?
If
>>>so, what does this cost? -Jim
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jul 19 18:46:44 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:46:44 -0500
Subject: Problem with "Save As Standalone App"
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376097F@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376097F@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <42DD82D4.9020903@hyperactivesw.com>

Ban Nguyen wrote:

 > It took so long to finish.  I created a new folder to save it.  I opened
 > the folder.  It has two file myfile.rev(400,000 KB) and myfile.exe(1,650
 > KB).  I clicked on the myfile.exe.  It displayed an error: "cannot open
 > file myfile.exe, error message 0, 0"
 >
 > Does anyone have any idea what's happening?
 >
 > I tried to save a small application and I worked fine.  The only file
 > that I see after saving as standalone is .exe file (no .rev).  I don't
 > know if something wrong with the big file????

I don't know what is wrong, but here are some general things that cause 
problems:

1. The path to the stack contains non-ASCII characters, such as 
diacritical marks or accent marks.  Avoid the use of accented or 
non-ASCII characters in path names.

2. The standalone builder is set to search for inclusions but the stack 
is password protected. Select the inclusions manually instead, or remove 
the password.

3. Alternately, the standalone builder may be having trouble searching 
for the required inclusions regardless of password protection. Turn off 
"Search for required inclusions" and turn on "Select inclusions for the 
standalone application." Then choose the resources you need to include 
yourself in the Standalone Settings dialog.

4. The folder name is the same as your standalone's name. You need a 
unique folder name; make sure you select an empty folder with a name 
different from the standalone's name.  If you have previously built a 
standalone from the same stack, do not try to build a new one into the 
same folder. Trying to overwrite an existing standalone with a new one 
can casue problems. Rename or remove the old folder first, and then build.


5. Your source stack's file name does not use an extension, or uses an 
incorrect extension. Make sure your stack's file name ends with the 
extension ".rev"

6. Your source stack contains duplicate "message box" or "ask" or 
"answer" dialogs. Remove the embedded stacks and let the standalone 
builder add them instead. (This usually only occurs with stacks 
originally created in MetaCard.)




From SimPLsol at aol.com  Tue Jul 19 18:51:18 2005
From: SimPLsol at aol.com (SimPLsol at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:51:18 EDT
Subject: [Slightly OT] Ransomware as a Model for Rev Toolmaking?
Message-ID: <55.7781101e.300edde6@aol.com>

JB,
     I envision a registry where users request tools, products, even 
projects. Investors can pledge, and eventually commit funds. Developers can bid on the 
work.
     These can be Rev-involved (like a new debugger or menu builder), third 
party (like a report maker or a chart maker), individual (an employee tracking 
system for my office).
     End ownership could be retained by the investors, the developer, 
Revolution, or open source   - as long as this is specified at the beginning of the 
work.
     At this point I see all of the work as being Rev-related.
Paul Looney


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jul 19 18:55:03 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:55:03 -0500
Subject: Problem downloading engine for Mac OS fat and Mac OS 68k
In-Reply-To: <9ee59e3abc2ec575bf96a597caf1e321@vonfintel.org>
References: <9ee59e3abc2ec575bf96a597caf1e321@vonfintel.org>
Message-ID: <42DD84C7.5010609@hyperactivesw.com>

Thomas von Fintel wrote:
> I try to build a standalone for various platforms. When I check Mac OS 
> fat and Mac OS 68k in "Standalone Application Settings" dialog, Rev 2.6 
> offers to download the engines but soon says "Problem downloading 
> engine". The engines I manually downloaded from ftp.runrev.com 
> (pub/revolution/downloads/engines) get unstuffed to files MacOSfat.dir 
> and MacOS68k.dir, that are not recognized as valid engines.
> 
> Where do I get usable engines?

There aren't yet any 2.6 classic engines, but you can use the ones you 
have already downloaded. These are stored in a special format so that 
they don't lose the resource fork that OS 9 requires. Put the engine 
downloads into the defaultfolder (whch is usually the Rev distribiution 
folder) and then type this into the message box:

revDecompress "<downloaded filename here>",defaultfolder

Don't decompress them with StuffIt or anything first, just leave them as 
you got them when they were downloaded. The above command will 
decompress the engines into the default folder and give you a usable 
engine. Move it to the "components/engines" folder and it should work.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Jul 19 18:57:42 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 23:57:42 +0100
Subject: Asking for Shao Sean's Calendar Object
In-Reply-To: <BF027C64.193E%transcom@comcast.net>
References: <BF027C64.193E%transcom@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <42DD8566.1060000@tweedly.net>

Michael Mandaville wrote:

>I am working through the Dan Shafer book and couldn't find the Shao Sean's
>Calendar Object
>
>A previous Runrev submission said that it was at...
>
>http://www.shaosean.tk/
>
>But it is NOT posted.
>
>Does anybody have this stack for me to download.  Or could you email it to
>me?
>
>  
>
I think it's at http://dark.unitz.ca/~shaosean/pages/development.htm

-- 
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From yoursignup at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 19 19:06:27 2005
From: yoursignup at yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:06:27 -1000
Subject: [Slightly OT] Ransomware as a Model for Rev Toolmaking?
In-Reply-To: <F579D913-BCDD-4D2F-B20B-9162C3B1DA77@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEELHJAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>

Dennis,

That is the way I read it, too. It's not for developing full scale
applications, as it is for developing tools that are important to the
community. The *profit* is that, while one group of people are financing the
development of one tool, another group is financing the development of
another tool. The developers get compensated. The investors pay less each,
than if they had to fund the whole development individually, and the
community benefits, including the developers, by having an increased toolset
of tools that were deemed important enough, that at least a few people voted
for with their dollars (or euros or whatever).

However, this is a financial model, and not to be pessimistic, but there is
more to it than just the idea. You need responsible third parties, maybe
escrows, signoff criterion (which investorS means committee - always
tricky), etc. Easier to talk about than do.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of Dennis
Brown
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:28 AM
To: chipp at chipp.com; How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: [Slightly OT] Ransomware as a Model for Rev Toolmaking?


I don't think this was brought up as a way to create products for
profit.  It is a way to finance upgrading tools for everyone with the
primary programmer being paid a reasonable hourly wage.  Am I reading
this wrong???

Dennis





From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Tue Jul 19 19:08:44 2005
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:08:44 -0500
Subject: GIF License
In-Reply-To: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLCEEKHJAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
References: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLCEEKHJAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42DD87FC.3030009@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Jim Bufalini wrote:
> Hmmm. It *appears* to work, but trying to link to it from html viewing in MS
> IE doesn't work (shows the little X in a frame), and for example FireWorks
> says its an unknown format. On the other hand, it does display in FireFox,
> Design mode of DreamWeaver and Windows XP preview!

On the Windows side (for me) it does work.  I also looked at the file 
with a text viewer and it's identified as a GIF87a.  The rev 
documentation says "If you specify the export GIF form and don't have a 
special license key, the image is exported in Revolution's internal 
format instead."  I believe that that contradicts what I'm seeing on my 
system.

As far as the original question of the license cost, I have no idea.  I 
was also interested in it, but when I went to the Rev store to purchase 
the license I couldn't find it.

But since it appears to be working fine for me, I'm not worried about it.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
_______________________________________________
Compress Photos for the Web with JPEGCompress
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/


From yoursignup at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 19 19:36:01 2005
From: yoursignup at yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:36:01 -1000
Subject: GIF License
In-Reply-To: <42DD87FC.3030009@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLCEEMHJAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>

Derek,

> I also looked at the file with a text viewer and it's identified as a
GIF87a

A text editor, why didn't I think of that! :-) OK, mine are starting out
before import as GIF89a and after Export are ????. This meaningful to
anyone?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of Derek Bump
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 1:09 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: GIF License


Jim Bufalini wrote:
> Hmmm. It *appears* to work, but trying to link to it from html viewing in
MS
> IE doesn't work (shows the little X in a frame), and for example FireWorks
> says its an unknown format. On the other hand, it does display in FireFox,
> Design mode of DreamWeaver and Windows XP preview!

On the Windows side (for me) it does work.  I also looked at the file
with a text viewer and it's identified as a GIF87a.  The rev
documentation says "If you specify the export GIF form and don't have a
special license key, the image is exported in Revolution's internal
format instead."  I believe that that contradicts what I'm seeing on my
system.

As far as the original question of the license cost, I have no idea.  I
was also interested in it, but when I went to the Rev store to purchase
the license I couldn't find it.

But since it appears to be working fine for me, I'm not worried about it.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
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From yoursignup at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 19 20:08:27 2005
From: yoursignup at yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:08:27 -1000
Subject: GIF License - Resolved
In-Reply-To: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLCEEMHJAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLIEEMHJAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>

Everyone,

Just figured it out. A bad switch statement was causing my script to export
... as JPEG with a file extension of .gif :-(( This confused some
browsers/programs and not others. Those funny characters are what you see at
the beginning of a JEPG. So, the answer is, you don't need a license, just
better debugging and a text editor :-) And, yes it comes out of export as
GIF87a.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of Jim
Bufalini
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 1:36 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: RE: GIF License


Derek,

> I also looked at the file with a text viewer and it's identified as a
GIF87a

A text editor, why didn't I think of that! :-) OK, mine are starting out
before import as GIF89a and after Export are ????. This meaningful to
anyone?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of Derek Bump
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 1:09 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: GIF License


Jim Bufalini wrote:
> Hmmm. It *appears* to work, but trying to link to it from html viewing in
MS
> IE doesn't work (shows the little X in a frame), and for example FireWorks
> says its an unknown format. On the other hand, it does display in FireFox,
> Design mode of DreamWeaver and Windows XP preview!

On the Windows side (for me) it does work.  I also looked at the file
with a text viewer and it's identified as a GIF87a.  The rev
documentation says "If you specify the export GIF form and don't have a
special license key, the image is exported in Revolution's internal
format instead."  I believe that that contradicts what I'm seeing on my
system.

As far as the original question of the license cost, I have no idea.  I
was also interested in it, but when I went to the Rev store to purchase
the license I couldn't find it.

But since it appears to be working fine for me, I'm not worried about it.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
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From markgreenberg at cox.net  Tue Jul 19 20:14:38 2005
From: markgreenberg at cox.net (Mark Greenberg)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:14:38 -0700
Subject: MatchText and PCRE
In-Reply-To: <20050719012517.87D35824D10@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <42763E04-F8B3-11D9-820B-000A959B61BE@cox.net>

David,
	I am by no means an advanced programmer in Rev, but I have been using 
Regex alot lately.  This is what I have discovered in my use of Regex 
in Rev:

On Monday, July 18, 2005, at 06:25 PM, David Vaughan wrote:

> Is it greedy? If so, is that reversible and how?

* and + are greedy.  The lazy (not greedy) versions are *? and +?.  
These do work in Rev as expected.
>
> Does the dot match newline? If not, can it be made to do so?

Dot does not match a new line.  Perl specification has (?s) as the mode 
modifier that makes dot match a newline, but I was not able to get that 
to work correctly in Rev.  I gave up and found another solution to my 
particular situation.
>
> Does a pattern like ".*" match empty? If not, can it be changed?

Yes.
>
> Is case-sensitivity in matchText affected by Rev's caseSensitive
> property? It appears not. Is case sensitivity settable?

Case sensitivity is not affected by the Rev setting, and you place (i?) 
at the beginning of your Regex string to turn off case sensitivity, 
(?-i) to turn it on.  (I haven't tried the latter.)

I highly recommend the book Mastering Regular Expressions by Jeffrey E. 
F. Friedl.  There are a bunch more obscure codes that work in the Rev 
flavor of Regex.

		Mark Greenberg


From see3d at writeme.com  Tue Jul 19 20:20:02 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:20:02 -0400
Subject: [Slightly OT] Ransomware as a Model for Rev Toolmaking?
In-Reply-To: <55.7781101e.300edde6@aol.com>
References: <55.7781101e.300edde6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20236B44-CFE2-45CB-9B9E-F7B19A65F57A@writeme.com>

JB,

I like your take on it.  It is pretty open and flexible to the  
project scope.

Dennis

On Jul 19, 2005, at 6:51 PM, SimPLsol at aol.com wrote:

> JB,
>      I envision a registry where users request tools, products, even
> projects. Investors can pledge, and eventually commit funds.  
> Developers can bid on the
> work.
>      These can be Rev-involved (like a new debugger or menu  
> builder), third
> party (like a report maker or a chart maker), individual (an  
> employee tracking
> system for my office).
>      End ownership could be retained by the investors, the developer,
> Revolution, or open source   - as long as this is specified at the  
> beginning of the
> work.
>      At this point I see all of the work as being Rev-related.
> Paul Looney
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From see3d at writeme.com  Tue Jul 19 20:23:03 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:23:03 -0400
Subject: [Slightly OT] Ransomware as a Model for Rev Toolmaking?
In-Reply-To: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEELHJAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
References: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEELHJAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <81AF48D8-2CCD-443D-9B27-29991246E63A@writeme.com>

Jim,

We have a whole community of very clever people.  I am sure it could  
be accomplished if we had a will to do it.

Dennis

On Jul 19, 2005, at 7:06 PM, Jim Bufalini wrote:

> Dennis,
>
> That is the way I read it, too. It's not for developing full scale
> applications, as it is for developing tools that are important to the
> community. The *profit* is that, while one group of people are  
> financing the
> development of one tool, another group is financing the development of
> another tool. The developers get compensated. The investors pay  
> less each,
> than if they had to fund the whole development individually, and the
> community benefits, including the developers, by having an  
> increased toolset
> of tools that were deemed important enough, that at least a few  
> people voted
> for with their dollars (or euros or whatever).
>
> However, this is a financial model, and not to be pessimistic, but  
> there is
> more to it than just the idea. You need responsible third parties,  
> maybe
> escrows, signoff criterion (which investorS means committee - always
> tricky), etc. Easier to talk about than do.
>
> Jim


From dvk at dvkconsult.com.au  Tue Jul 19 20:53:13 2005
From: dvk at dvkconsult.com.au (David Vaughan)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:53:13 +1000
Subject: MatchText and PCRE
In-Reply-To: <20050720001543.F1A1D82490C@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050720001543.F1A1D82490C@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <56A30836-B601-4A2B-A27A-2CEFB3267ACB@dvkconsult.com.au>


On 20/07/2005, at 10:15, Mark Greenberg <markgreenberg at cox.net> wrote:

>
> David,
>     I am by no means an advanced programmer in Rev, but I have been  
> using Regex a lot lately.  This is what I have discovered in my use  
> of Regex in Rev:

<snip>
>
> I highly recommend the book Mastering Regular Expressions by  
> Jeffrey E. F. Friedl.  There are a bunch more obscure codes that  
> work in the Rev flavor of Regex.

thanks Mark. I have the book on order. I have also been contemplating  
buying RegExplorer, which is written in RealBasic and includes four  
checkboxes related to my four questions. Apparently, these are  
parameters you set in the RealBasic Class so I was wondering about  
the corresponding behaviours and options in Rev. Now I know how to  
set these switches for Rev defaults and will change behaviours when  
needed by using the RegEx codes rather than the checkboxes in the  
program.

regards
David
>
>         Mark Greenberg
>



From revdan at danshafer.com  Tue Jul 19 17:32:15 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:32:15 -0700
Subject: Revolution unbooted
In-Reply-To: <401101734.20050719085720@ahsoftware.net>
References: <20050719054944.6065C824D15@mail.runrev.com>
	<0A23E1FB-F161-43FC-8857-4CA58E1C1669@danshafer.com>
	<401101734.20050719085720@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4FC58DB4-118C-4531-997E-61976CEF76B7@danshafer.com>

Depends on your point of view, I guess, but then *that* would be  
biased. Sigh.


On Jul 19, 2005, at 8:57 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Why, Dan, you almost make being biased sound like a bad thing... <g>
>
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From revdan at danshafer.com  Tue Jul 19 17:31:08 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:31:08 -0700
Subject: Asking for Shao Sean's Calendar Object 
In-Reply-To: <BF027C64.193E%transcom@comcast.net>
References: <BF027C64.193E%transcom@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <E2E0FD93-1295-4E30-8510-9E35AE49F8EC@danshafer.com>

Michael....

I've posted the object on my site.

Go to http://www.altuit.com/webs/dshafer/RevolutionPros/MyStuff.htm

Scroll down to the place where the calendar object is mentioned and  
click on the Link button.


On Jul 19, 2005, at 9:46 AM, Michael Mandaville wrote:

> I am working through the Dan Shafer book and couldn't find the Shao  
> Sean's
> Calendar Object
>
> A previous Runrev submission said that it was at...
>
> http://www.shaosean.tk/
>
> But it is NOT posted.
>
> Does anybody have this stack for me to download.  Or could you  
> email it to
> me?
>
> Thank you very much,
>
> Michael Mandaville
> transcom at comcast.net
>
>
>
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From revdan at danshafer.com  Tue Jul 19 17:36:25 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:36:25 -0700
Subject: Reminder of Shafer Book Status (Was Re: Asking for Shao Sean's
	Calendar Object)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507191056290.9194-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507191056290.9194-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <A7A9F9BE-303F-4B6D-9898-20354FCA1677@danshafer.com>

Judy (and others).....

It is difficult to get the word out to a community which doesn't read  
every message on this list faithfully every day and remember  
everything they've read. Darned humans.

Anyway, just so it's clear....

There are no plans to release Volumes 2 & 3 of my "Software at the  
Speed of Thought" as such. Instead, listening to feedback from the  
market and paying attention to the reality of development cycles for  
Rev, I decided some time ago to start releasing what I call eBooklets  
consisting of expanded chapter-sized chunks from the planned contents  
of Volumes 2 & 3. I have already released the first two such  
eBooklets. Chapter 21 on CGI and Chapter 25 on custom properties.  
I've stopped numbering them now, but the next one on printing will be  
out as soon as a few marketing issues are resolved. It's essentially  
done and ready to publish.

Other chapters will follow more rapidly now that RunRev and I are  
clear on our respective roles and responsibilities in this ever- 
evolving upward-progressive movement called life.

Stay tuned.

On Jul 19, 2005, at 10:59 AM, Judy Perry wrote:

> Well, Dan,
>
> I guess this goes to show that people are reading (and, hopefully,  
> hence,
> _buying_) your book, so I'm hoping we'll be seeing Vol. II sometime  
> soon??
>
> Judy
>
>
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, Michael Mandaville wrote:
>
>
>> I am working through the Dan Shafer book and couldn't find the  
>> Shao Sean's
>> Calendar Object
>>
>
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From revdan at danshafer.com  Tue Jul 19 17:38:22 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:38:22 -0700
Subject: [Slightly OT] Ransomware as a Model for Rev Toolmaking?
In-Reply-To: <6306b1fb4f8bcfa4ffead6b184647ce4@qldlearning.com>
References: <202.5e2e3f8.300e70a8@aol.com>
	<6306b1fb4f8bcfa4ffead6b184647ce4@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <71479526-2845-433E-B637-08E3746C2ABC@danshafer.com>

Brian.....

This  model isn't intended to apply to the concepts of "investors"  
who "own" anything in return for the money they put up. I suspect it  
works primarily if not only for software  ultimately intended to be  
distributed free.


On Jul 19, 2005, at 12:30 PM, Brian Yennie wrote:

> Not to make this a debate, but...
>
> What I don't like about the system below (and why I think it hasn't  
> happened already to any great extent) is:
> * Investors will have to put a lot more money up for the developer  
> to give up ownership of the product to the investors
> * Multiple investors "owning" a product and dividing profits is a  
> pain (and not so lucrative)
>
> Rather, I think it's good to drive down the initial cost (so people  
> will actually buy in), and allow *someone* to have some real profit  
> potential, as I don't think a 3rd party Rev product split too many  
> ways excites anyone just yet.
>
> Just my 2 cents!
>
>
>> Dan,
>>      Why not a capitalist/capitalist model:
>> 1.     Developer or users suggest a tool/product & define specs.
>> 2.     One or more developers bid to create the tool/product per  
>> spec. at a
>> specific price
>> 3.     "Investors" provide the money and get "ownership" based on the
>> percentage they contributed
>> 4.     When the tool/product is finished all the investors get  
>> free copies
>> 5.      As the finished tool/product is sold, profits are divided  
>> among the
>> investors.
>>
>>      We are actually doing this now - except the developer and  
>> investor are
>> usually the same person.
>>
>
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From revdan at danshafer.com  Tue Jul 19 17:42:00 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:42:00 -0700
Subject: [Slightly OT] Ransomware as a Model for Rev Toolmaking?
In-Reply-To: <202.5e2e3f8.300e70a8@aol.com>
References: <202.5e2e3f8.300e70a8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2BB09DDB-5F59-481F-9B6E-448DBA67F2A5@danshafer.com>

Well, your model, as you point out is, sort of the way things are  
done now. I think the idea of ransomware was to find an alternative  
approach that would involve less legalistic stuff and more open sharing.

Clearly both models can co-exist with many others.


On Jul 19, 2005, at 8:05 AM, SimPLsol at aol.com wrote:

> Dan,
>      Why not a capitalist/capitalist model:
> 1.     Developer or users suggest a tool/product & define specs.
> 2.     One or more developers bid to create the tool/product per  
> spec. at a
> specific price
> 3.     "Investors" provide the money and get "ownership" based on the
> percentage they contributed
> 4.     When the tool/product is finished all the investors get free  
> copies
> 5.      As the finished tool/product is sold, profits are divided  
> among the
> investors.
>
>      We are actually doing this now - except the developer and  
> investor are
> usually the same person.
> PL
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From revdan at danshafer.com  Tue Jul 19 17:40:58 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:40:58 -0700
Subject: [Slightly OT] Ransomware as a Model for Rev Toolmaking?
In-Reply-To: <13598520ac3159c6c6102ea6c8f67a15@qldlearning.com>
References: <538D69E1-37FB-410C-A186-1FF9CE643A24@danshafer.com>
	<13598520ac3159c6c6102ea6c8f67a15@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <7626CAAE-9D09-4986-B948-1D9BE6433A78@danshafer.com>

Intriguing twist and amplification of the proposal, Brian. I think  
it's important to keep the thing really simple and I"m not sure  
whether the complexity your approach adds would push the idea over  
the effectiveness cliff. But I like the way you think and process stuff!

dan

On Jul 18, 2005, at 11:55 PM, Brian Yennie wrote:

> Dan,
>
> I think it's an interesting concept, as 3rd party products are just  
> starting to gain some steam in the Rev community.
> For the sake of discussion, what about something like this:
>
> > Form a group "development account" where those of us interested  
> in 3rd party products can make a deposit. You are free to withdraw  
> the money later, within reason since someone would have to manage  
> the fund.
>
> > Allow two things to happen:
>     1) A developer can "pitch" a product to the group.
>     2) The group can publish bounties for desirable products
>
> > Use dollars as votes. So say, if I have $100 in the fund, I could  
> commit $50 to one project and $50 to another.
>
> > Once a developer "accepts" a project, the votes (= dollars) are  
> locked in until either they a) complete the project or b) fail to  
> meet the timelines and/or requirements.
>
> > When a project is completed, the developer MUST offer credit on  
> the product to their pledge(s), but is free to sell the product to  
> others at full price.
>
> EXAMPLE:
>
> Developer X wants to create a web browser object for Revolution  
> (we're pretending altBrowser doesn't already exist for sake of an  
> example).
>
> Developer X writes the functional specifications and presents them  
> to the group. 5 members pledge $150 each, and 5 more pledge $50 for  
> a total of $1000. Developer X is now guaranteed to be paid at least  
> $1000 for completing the project.
>
> Developer X completes the project and is paid $1000 out of the  
> fund. The new browser object goes on sale for $100. The 5 members  
> who pledged $150 all get a free copy. The remaining 5 each get a  
> $50 credit. Developer X sells 25 more copies for $100 each and ends  
> up with a total payday of $3500.
>
> Everyone wins in that both the developer and the buyers have their  
> risk mitigated- the developer has guaranteed sales, and no one  
> buyer has to fund the whole project.
>
> Now, making "promises" to buy seems similar, but it seems to me  
> this would only work if there really were a real, physical account  
> with a visible balance of money sitting in it. I guarantee if 3rd  
> party developers could hit a web page displaying the available  
> group funds, submit a proposal, and watch the pledges roll in, they  
> would step up a lot more quickly!
>
> FWIW, my 2 cents on an interesting topic!
>
> - Brian
>
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From revdan at danshafer.com  Tue Jul 19 17:45:12 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:45:12 -0700
Subject: [ANN] A Small Announcement
Message-ID: <AE5E13C9-B8C8-4B21-9FBC-5E0BA460D7FC@danshafer.com>

Just a quick note to those of you who might actually care that my old  
Rev site is back online in a new incarnation.

http://www.revolutionpros.com

Main interesting feature other than my opinions ( :-D ) is the place  
where I've resumed my practice of digesting interesting (to me)  
threads from this forum, cleaned out duplicate stuff, hidden email  
identities, given appropriate credit and organized things a bit. only  
a couple of new ones but I plan to add several each week so stay tuned.




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From briany at qldlearning.com  Tue Jul 19 21:41:42 2005
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:41:42 -0700
Subject: [Slightly OT] Ransomware as a Model for Rev Toolmaking?
In-Reply-To: <7626CAAE-9D09-4986-B948-1D9BE6433A78@danshafer.com>
References: <538D69E1-37FB-410C-A186-1FF9CE643A24@danshafer.com>
	<13598520ac3159c6c6102ea6c8f67a15@qldlearning.com>
	<7626CAAE-9D09-4986-B948-1D9BE6433A78@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <3fc7978665ed265a7395cb7589a47dc3@qldlearning.com>

Dan,

Thanks. It's far from perfect, but I find is just interesting enough 
that I might participate if it were alive =).

With that said, is there a group of people that are interested in 
taking something like this off-list and trying to reach consensus to 
build something? Or has it run it's course as an on-list exercise?

- Brian

> Intriguing twist and amplification of the proposal, Brian. I think 
> it's important to keep the thing really simple and I"m not sure 
> whether the complexity your approach adds would push the idea over the 
> effectiveness cliff. But I like the way you think and process stuff!



From mswindel at santacruz.k12.ca.us  Tue Jul 19 22:18:31 2005
From: mswindel at santacruz.k12.ca.us (Mark Swindell)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:18:31 -0700
Subject: openstack 101
Message-ID: <A73C0902-5930-43E2-9D8B-D140CD8750AD@santacruz.k12.ca.us>

Ok, I'm feeling pretty dumb, but why doesn't my openstack handler  
execute when my stack opens?  What am I not getting?  (I type  
openstack into the messagebox after opening and all is well, but the  
handler doesn't execute when opening my stack from scratch.)

Mark


From nicolas_cueto at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 19 22:19:47 2005
From: nicolas_cueto at yahoo.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:19:47 +0900
Subject: a maze-game stack?
Message-ID: <002901c58cd1$80a3f750$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>

Hello Malte,

Thanks for replying. And I'll take up your suggestion
of continuing this on the ArcadeEngine forums.

One more question here, though?

> How would you like to create the maze? Randomly
> (a bit hard) or from a set of template mazes?

Your "a bit hard" is surely "hair-tearing hard" for me,
so the templates route is likely quicker. 

Yet, to follow up on your suggestion of assembling the 
maze out of objects/buttons (like working with Lego?),
what do you mean by a "template"? A series of co-
ordinates? A pre-drawn maze?

Apologetically confused,
Nicolas Cueto 


From nicolas_cueto at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 19 22:28:45 2005
From: nicolas_cueto at yahoo.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:28:45 +0900
Subject: openstack 101
Message-ID: <002d01c58cd2$c17d91e0$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>

I hope someone more knowledgeable jumps in but...

Perhaps another stack is handling the "openStack" 
message before it arrives to your targeted stack?

Or you might want to try "preOpenStack" instead.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From mdswindell at charter.net  Tue Jul 19 22:32:38 2005
From: mdswindell at charter.net (Mark Swindell)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:32:38 -0700
Subject: openstack 101
In-Reply-To: <002d01c58cd2$c17d91e0$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>
References: <002d01c58cd2$c17d91e0$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>
Message-ID: <400A06C6-FA7E-432D-8809-D616732963F3@charter.net>

Nicolas,
Thanks, but I had no luck with preopenstack, either.  And the stack  
is the main stack, there are no others in the project at this point.
Mark

On Jul 19, 2005, at 7:28 PM, Nicolas Cueto wrote:

> I hope someone more knowledgeable jumps in but...
>
> Perhaps another stack is handling the "openStack"
> message before it arrives to your targeted stack?
>
> Or you might want to try "preOpenStack" instead.
>
> --
> Nicolas Cueto
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From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Tue Jul 19 22:51:38 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:51:38 +1000
Subject: openstack 101
In-Reply-To: <A73C0902-5930-43E2-9D8B-D140CD8750AD@santacruz.k12.ca.us>
References: <A73C0902-5930-43E2-9D8B-D140CD8750AD@santacruz.k12.ca.us>
Message-ID: <CAC93DD6-5699-4EA6-8E2B-A780454B6FB9@genesearch.com.au>

> Ok, I'm feeling pretty dumb, but why doesn't my openstack handler  
> execute when my stack opens?  What am I not getting?  (I type  
> openstack into the messagebox after opening and all is well, but  
> the handler doesn't execute when opening my stack from scratch.)
>
I had the feeling that the open & preOpenStack handlers in the  
mainStack were not always called if the stack was opened while using  
the edit tool. They will work fine in your app, but you may want to  
put in a secret keystroke or something that calls it after startup  
while in the IDE.

HTH,
Sarah



From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Jul 20 01:12:04 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 00:12:04 -0500
Subject: openstack 101
In-Reply-To: <A73C0902-5930-43E2-9D8B-D140CD8750AD@santacruz.k12.ca.us>
References: <A73C0902-5930-43E2-9D8B-D140CD8750AD@santacruz.k12.ca.us>
Message-ID: <42DDDD24.6060404@chipp.com>

Mark,

Here's what I would do:

First, I would put an 'on OpenStack' handler in the first card script of 
the stack.


then save it, close Rev, open Rev, choose the browse tool, and open your 
stack. See if the debugger gets called. If not, then I would suspect 
there's an openStack handler in a frontScript somewhere which isn't 
getting passed.

I have a standalone 'shell' which I use. It consists of a small stack 
with a single button named "Launch It" with the script:

on mouseUp
   if there is a file "config.txt" then
     put URL ("file:config.txt") into tStackPathToOpen
   else
     answer file "Choose a Stack to Open"
     if it is empty then exit to top
     put it into tStackPathToOpen
     put tStackPathToOpen into URL ("file:config.txt")
   end if
   go stack tStackPathToOpen
end mouseUp

Then there's this in the stack's *CARD* script:

on closeStack
   if the environment is not "development" then
     quit
   else
     close this stack
   end if
end closeStack

I make this into a standalone, and I can use it to 'test' outside the IDE.

best,

Chipp



Mark Swindell wrote:
> Ok, I'm feeling pretty dumb, but why doesn't my openstack handler  
> execute when my stack opens?  What am I not getting?  (I type  openstack 
> into the messagebox after opening and all is well, but the  handler 
> doesn't execute when opening my stack from scratch.)


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Wed Jul 20 01:19:42 2005
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:19:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Jacque's Great!
In-Reply-To: <42DD5BBB.4050005@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507192215070.18735-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Well, I can help keep it going!

Jacque's support has helped me rise above User Level = Amoeba to User
Level = Protozoa ;-)

Thanks, Jacque!  Can't wait until I've evolved into, say, something that
walks/crawls on land :-D

Judy

On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, Chipp Walters wrote:

> I just like reading the subject line, and didn't want this thread to die.



From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Jul 20 01:26:48 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 00:26:48 -0500
Subject: openstack 101
In-Reply-To: <42DDDD24.6060404@chipp.com>
References: <A73C0902-5930-43E2-9D8B-D140CD8750AD@santacruz.k12.ca.us>
	<42DDDD24.6060404@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <42DDE098.3040107@chipp.com>

oops, I accidently deleted the 'first part' ;-)

Chipp Walters wrote:
> Mark,
> 
> Here's what I would do:
> 
> First, I would put an 'on OpenStack' handler in the first card script of 
> the stack.

on openStack
   breakpoint
   beep
end openStack

> 
> 
> then save it, close Rev, open Rev, choose the browse tool, and open your 
> stack. See if the debugger gets called. If not, then I would suspect 
> there's an openStack handler in a frontScript somewhere which isn't 
> getting passed.


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Wed Jul 20 01:26:58 2005
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:26:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Reminder of Shafer Book Status (Was Re: Asking for Shao Sean's
 Calendar Object)
In-Reply-To: <A7A9F9BE-303F-4B6D-9898-20354FCA1677@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507192223320.18735-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Yup, I'm a darned human.  Drat!  I suppose it's too late to try to find an
ex post facto Vulcan egg donor now, isn't it? ;-)

Anyway, what about those of us who paid up-front for all 3 vols?

I'm sure you've answered this already (and maybe even to me privately for
all I can recall; darned brain cells die off daily near as I can tell),
but what about us?

Judy

On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, Dan Shafer wrote:

> Judy (and others).....
>
> It is difficult to get the word out to a community which doesn't read
> every message on this list faithfully every day and remember
> everything they've read. Darned humans.
>
> Anyway, just so it's clear....
>
> There are no plans to release Volumes 2 & 3 of my "Software at the
> Speed of Thought" as such. Instead, listening to feedback from the
> market and paying attention to the reality of development cycles for
> Rev, I decided some time ago to start releasing what I call eBooklets
> consisting of expanded chapter-sized chunks from the planned contents
> of Volumes 2 & 3. I have already released the first two such
> eBooklets. Chapter 21 on CGI and Chapter 25 on custom properties.
> I've stopped numbering them now, but the next one on printing will be
> out as soon as a few marketing issues are resolved. It's essentially
> done and ready to publish.
>
> Other chapters will follow more rapidly now that RunRev and I are
> clear on our respective roles and responsibilities in this ever-
> evolving upward-progressive movement called life.



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Wed Jul 20 01:36:22 2005
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:36:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: a maze-game stack?
In-Reply-To: <002901c58cd1$80a3f750$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507192228060.18735-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Hair-tearing out confusing for me, too.  Is your bird's eye view cartesian
or orthoscopic?  If the former, it's probably doable.  I gave up on the
latter.  I'm a math weenie.

Judy

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, Nicolas Cueto wrote:

> Hello Malte,
>
> Thanks for replying. And I'll take up your suggestion
> of continuing this on the ArcadeEngine forums.
>
> One more question here, though?
>
> > How would you like to create the maze? Randomly
> > (a bit hard) or from a set of template mazes?
>
> Your "a bit hard" is surely "hair-tearing hard" for me,
> so the templates route is likely quicker.



From YourSignup at Yahoo.com  Wed Jul 20 01:43:38 2005
From: YourSignup at Yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:43:38 -1000
Subject: Web site security using Rev
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLAEFBHJAA.YourSignup@Yahoo.com>

Has anybody used Rev to password protect a section of a website, rather than
using ASP or CF or other database solution? Just a basic login page, and if
anyone tries to go directly to a subdirectory of the login page, without
logging in, they get bounced back to the login page? CGI can do this. Anyone
have a demo stack or tutorial?

Jim


From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Wed Jul 20 02:04:37 2005
From: FlexibleLearning at aol.com (FlexibleLearning at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 02:04:37 EDT
Subject: embed/install font 
Message-ID: <143.49471793.300f4375@aol.com>

Doesn't the EXT external provide this functionailty? Maybe memory is  
slipping.
 
/H


From xbury.cs at clearstream.com  Wed Jul 20 02:52:05 2005
From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:52:05 +0200
Subject: Web site security using Rev
In-Reply-To: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLAEFBHJAA.YourSignup@Yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OF15628102.544FBB2A-ONC1257044.00258D4A-C1257044.0025A3FA@deutsche-boerse.com>

This is not something the cgi can do if you dont go via the cgi.
Going to sub folders is not something the cgi will detect (AFAIK).

Permissions should be set either at the ftp level or in IIS via the IIS 
Manager, or the NT permissions.
Sorry, dont know about apache but i think that falls in the ftp 
permissions.

cheers
Xavier

On 20/07/2005 07:43:38 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>Has anybody used Rev to password protect a section of a website, rather 
than
>using ASP or CF or other database solution? Just a basic login page, and 
if
>anyone tries to go directly to a subdirectory of the login page, without
>logging in, they get bounced back to the login page? CGI can do this. 
Anyone
>have a demo stack or tutorial?
>
>Jim
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From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Wed Jul 20 03:14:34 2005
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:14:34 +0100
Subject: a maze-game stack?
In-Reply-To: <002901c58cd1$80a3f750$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>
References: <002901c58cd1$80a3f750$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>
Message-ID: <A768A274-DA4F-4D90-95C8-7173FDFDA5C7@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 20 Jul 2005, at 03:19, Nicolas Cueto wrote:

> Hello Malte,
>
> Thanks for replying. And I'll take up your suggestion
> of continuing this on the ArcadeEngine forums.
>
> One more question here, though?
>
>
>> How would you like to create the maze? Randomly
>> (a bit hard) or from a set of template mazes?
>>
>
> Your "a bit hard" is surely "hair-tearing hard" for me,
> so the templates route is likely quicker.
>
> Yet, to follow up on your suggestion of assembling the
> maze out of objects/buttons (like working with Lego?),
> what do you mean by a "template"? A series of co-
> ordinates? A pre-drawn maze?

Example:

You make your "maze area" out of a grid of buttons or rectangles. You  
name the objects in some way so that its coordinates are  
identifiable. For example, the top left button might be "b 1 1", the  
one to the right "b 2 1", the one below that "b 2 2", and so on.

The path throuh the maze is created by setting the backcolor of the  
appropriate buttons white (for example), while the other buttons are  
colored black (for example). A template might conist of a series of  
coordinates like this:

1 1,2 1,2 2,2 3,3 3,4 3,4 3,5 4, ..... etc,

You place the object to be moved (princess, mouse, shoe, whatever) on  
the start square (b 1 1 in this case). Assuming navigation is done  
with the arrow keys, when an arrow key is hit, you calculate the next  
object the person wants to move to. Then check that this is a valid  
place to move to. If so, move the princess, if not, make warning sound.

local sHere  ##tracks the current location

on arrowKey pWhere
   put sHere into tTempHere
   switch pWhere
    case up
       subtract 1 from word 3 of tTempHere
    break
     ## other cases here
   end switch
   if there is a button tTempHere and the backcolor of button  
tTempHere is white then
     put tTempHere into sHere
     set the loc of image "princess" to the loc of button sHere
     ## make cute sound, perhaps
   else
     ##make nasty sound
   end if
end arrowKey

Is this the kind of thing you were thinkig of, Nicolas, or something  
else entirely?

Cheers
Dave




From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Wed Jul 20 04:02:12 2005
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:02:12 +0100
Subject: Project for External Command
In-Reply-To: <A768A274-DA4F-4D90-95C8-7173FDFDA5C7@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <002901c58cd1$80a3f750$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>
	<A768A274-DA4F-4D90-95C8-7173FDFDA5C7@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <a05210607bf03b3eb2a1b@[192.168.80.101]>

Hi,

I need to write an external command handler. I downloaded the 
External Command SDK but I can't find a valid project file for Mac. I 
am running Tiger and have CodeWarrior and X-Code.

Could anyone point me to a Project file? I am trying to rebuild the 
project by hand, but as there is no documentation it's pretty 
difficult.

All the Best
Dave


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed Jul 20 04:05:25 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:05:25 +0200
Subject: [ANN] A Small Announcement
In-Reply-To: <AE5E13C9-B8C8-4B21-9FBC-5E0BA460D7FC@danshafer.com>
References: <AE5E13C9-B8C8-4B21-9FBC-5E0BA460D7FC@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <F9504A8B-E6D2-4764-8396-499FD66F4A97@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Dan,

I call that great service to the whole community.
Big work too... Now and later ;-)
Thanks.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

PS. For those who are kind enough to use Resources Picker, add  
*immediately* the following url to Resources Picker web database:
http://www.altuit.com/webs/dshafer/BestofList/default.htm

Le 19 juil. 05 ? 23:45, Dan Shafer a ?crit :

> Just a quick note to those of you who might actually care that my  
> old Rev site is back online in a new incarnation.
>
> http://www.revolutionpros.com
>
> Main interesting feature other than my opinions ( :-D ) is the  
> place where I've resumed my practice of digesting interesting (to  
> me) threads from this forum, cleaned out duplicate stuff, hidden  
> email identities, given appropriate credit and organized things a  
> bit. only a couple of new ones but I plan to add several each week  
> so stay tuned.

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From nicolas_cueto at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 20 04:25:27 2005
From: nicolas_cueto at yahoo.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:25:27 +0900
Subject: a maze-game stack?
Message-ID: <007601c58d04$96304aa0$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>

2005/07/20 14:36:22 ni, Judy-san wo kaita:

> Is your
> bird's eye view cartesian
> or orthoscopic? 

Orthoscopic?! If that means a viewpoint similar
to actually walking thru a maze, most definitely 
x-y cartesian.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From david at openpartnership.net  Wed Jul 20 06:45:54 2005
From: david at openpartnership.net (david bovill)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:45:54 +0200
Subject: [Slightly OT] Ransomware as a Model for Rev Toolmaking?
In-Reply-To: <3fc7978665ed265a7395cb7589a47dc3@qldlearning.com>
References: <538D69E1-37FB-410C-A186-1FF9CE643A24@danshafer.com>
	<13598520ac3159c6c6102ea6c8f67a15@qldlearning.com>
	<7626CAAE-9D09-4986-B948-1D9BE6433A78@danshafer.com>
	<3fc7978665ed265a7395cb7589a47dc3@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <59d45f59392b6764adf915d873649fbc@openpartnership.net>

On 20 Jul 2005, at 03:41, Brian Yennie wrote:

> Dan,
>
> Thanks. It's far from perfect, but I find is just interesting enough 
> that I might participate if it were alive =).
>
> With that said, is there a group of people that are interested in 
> taking something like this off-list and trying to reach consensus to 
> build something? Or has it run it's course as an on-list exercise?

I'm in. I have a small budget I could put towards developing this. So 
if there are any developers interested in taking it forwards - we can 
start by eating our own dog food ?



From douggilliland at gmail.com  Wed Jul 20 06:46:12 2005
From: douggilliland at gmail.com (Douglas Gilliland)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 06:46:12 -0400
Subject: Newbe Drag & Drop Question
Message-ID: <890e3d260507200346210cc456@mail.gmail.com>

I am writing a stack on Density for my students. I want them to drag a
cube of iron on to an electronic balance to mass it. The script would
change the display of the balance from 0.00 grams to thel mass of the
iron sample.

 I have made the cube draggable by assigning it the following scipt:
on mousedown
drag me
end mousedown
That part works great.

I attempted to place a hidden button over the balance and use the
dragenter message in a variety of ways but cannot get it to work.
When I used HyperStudio the dragdrop function was built into the
program so I didn't learn how to script it.
Any advice for a Dreamcard newbe?
Thanks,
Doug Gilliland
Sarasota, FL


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed Jul 20 08:16:04 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:16:04 +0200
Subject: Newbe Drag & Drop Question
In-Reply-To: <890e3d260507200346210cc456@mail.gmail.com>
References: <890e3d260507200346210cc456@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7E6D8261-A8CE-485C-A72D-67C9FC967CD0@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Doug,

You are right, Rev needs a bit of scripting to handle drag an drop  
but it's a good thing since scripting allows to manage this feature  
precisely.
You might be interested in a tutorial about drag and drop you can  
access trough Tutorials Picker.
Tutorials Picker is available on Rev Online - user: So Smart Software.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

Le 20 juil. 05 ? 12:46, Douglas Gilliland a ?crit :

> I am writing a stack on Density for my students. I want them to drag a
> cube of iron on to an electronic balance to mass it. The script would
> change the display of the balance from 0.00 grams to thel mass of the
> iron sample.
>
>  I have made the cube draggable by assigning it the following scipt:
> on mousedown
> drag me
> end mousedown
> That part works great.
>
> I attempted to place a hidden button over the balance and use the
> dragenter message in a variety of ways but cannot get it to work.
> When I used HyperStudio the dragdrop function was built into the
> program so I didn't learn how to script it.
> Any advice for a Dreamcard newbe?

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From yoursignup at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 20 08:48:51 2005
From: yoursignup at yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 02:48:51 -1000
Subject: Web site security using Rev
In-Reply-To: <OF15628102.544FBB2A-ONC1257044.00258D4A-C1257044.0025A3FA@deutsche-boerse.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLEEFFHJAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>

OK, I may be spacing out here, but HTML an call a CGI script with parms,
which, in turn, can make the HTML dynamic. I just thought this would be a
convenient way to experiment with Rev CGI. It's a small number pages. -Jim

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Subject: Re: Web site security using Rev


This is not something the cgi can do if you dont go via the cgi.
Going to sub folders is not something the cgi will detect (AFAIK).

Permissions should be set either at the ftp level or in IIS via the IIS
Manager, or the NT permissions.
Sorry, dont know about apache but i think that falls in the ftp
permissions.

cheers
Xavier

On 20/07/2005 07:43:38 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>Has anybody used Rev to password protect a section of a website, rather
than
>using ASP or CF or other database solution? Just a basic login page, and
if
>anyone tries to go directly to a subdirectory of the login page, without
>logging in, they get bounced back to the login page? CGI can do this.
Anyone
>have a demo stack or tutorial?
>
>Jim
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From xbury.cs at clearstream.com  Wed Jul 20 08:51:12 2005
From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:51:12 +0200
Subject: Web site security using Rev
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Message-ID: <OF5606891E.85E4B070-ONC1257044.00467DEA-C1257044.004684D3@deutsche-boerse.com>

Jim

Sorry, it's not how i had read it (missing details?)

Yes, in that case it is possible to have the cgi verify the security of a 
section which
you can preset wantonly. 

cheers
Xavier



On 20/07/2005 14:48:51 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>OK, I may be spacing out here, but HTML an call a CGI script with parms,
>which, in turn, can make the HTML dynamic. I just thought this would be a
>convenient way to experiment with Rev CGI. It's a small number pages. 
-Jim
>
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>xbury.cs at clearstream.com
>Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 8:52 PM
>To: YourSignup at Yahoo.com; How to use Revolution
>Subject: Re: Web site security using Rev
>
>
>This is not something the cgi can do if you dont go via the cgi.
>Going to sub folders is not something the cgi will detect (AFAIK).
>
>Permissions should be set either at the ftp level or in IIS via the IIS
>Manager, or the NT permissions.
>Sorry, dont know about apache but i think that falls in the ftp
>permissions.
>
>cheers
>Xavier
>
>On 20/07/2005 07:43:38 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>>Has anybody used Rev to password protect a section of a website, rather
>than
>>using ASP or CF or other database solution? Just a basic login page, and
>if
>>anyone tries to go directly to a subdirectory of the login page, without
>>logging in, they get bounced back to the login page? CGI can do this.
>Anyone
>>have a demo stack or tutorial?
>>
>>Jim
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From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Wed Jul 20 09:19:21 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:19:21 -0400
Subject: External for running one instance on windows
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A99680AE@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

This would only work if the program deletes that file before it closes -
right?

But, if the program crashes or the power gets cut off and the file is
not deleted, then the next time the program opens, the file will still
be there, and the program will think it is already running, when it
isn't.

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[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Matthew
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 2:35 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: External for running one instance on windows

There is another way to check if an instance is running 
that will work on all OS. When you start the program you 
create a file if it is not already there. If it is there 
then you close the program.

I hope this helps.

Sincerely, Matt
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From dwilk at globalnet.co.uk  Wed Jul 20 09:48:27 2005
From: dwilk at globalnet.co.uk (David Wilkinson)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:48:27 +0100
Subject: Invisible insertion point in field
In-Reply-To: <20050720055704.2ED1C8248E1@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050720055704.2ED1C8248E1@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <E1DvEvz-0002yO-00@globalnet.co.uk>

I imagine there is an obvious answer to this but I cannot figure it 
out.

I have uploaded an experimental table field stack to my user space 
(user227), which uses work by and ideas from Chipp Walters, Sarah 
Reichelt and Scott Rossi.  It has an edit field that sits on top 
of a  worksheet/grid field. The problem is that although you can 
enter text in the edit field, the insertion point is invisible. Does 
anyone know why this might be?  One possible clue is that in order to 
drag the field with the left mouse button, the field has to be locked 
when the mouse enters its border zone and the insertion point does 
not show in lockedtext fields - but then you can't enter text in such 
field either.

As a side question, is there any reason why Rev should set the 
vscroll of this field to 4?  I cannot recall any code that scrolls it 
directly and notionally the textheight and textsize are the same as 
the underlying field.  I suspect this might be tied to the vertical 
offset from which text entered into fields, with hgrid enabled, seems 
to suffer.

TIA

David Wilkinson



From yoursignup at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 20 09:34:46 2005
From: yoursignup at yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 03:34:46 -1000
Subject: External for running one instance on windows
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A99680AE@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLAEFHHJAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>

Correct. Creating files and depending on your program to delete them, on
exit, is a recipe for disaster. This only works with file locking, and even
then, it depends on the network OS to release the lock, when the program
exits (doesn't always happen, depending on the network, and a combination of
other factors). -Jim

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Jonathan
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To: How to use Revolution
Subject: RE: External for running one instance on windows


This would only work if the program deletes that file before it closes -
right?

But, if the program crashes or the power gets cut off and the file is
not deleted, then the next time the program opens, the file will still
be there, and the program will think it is already running, when it
isn't.

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[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Matthew
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 2:35 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: External for running one instance on windows

There is another way to check if an instance is running
that will work on all OS. When you start the program you
create a file if it is not already there. If it is there
then you close the program.

I hope this helps.

Sincerely, Matt
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From dwilk at globalnet.co.uk  Wed Jul 20 10:34:31 2005
From: dwilk at globalnet.co.uk (David Wilkinson)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:34:31 +0100
Subject: MatchText and PCRE
In-Reply-To: <20050720055704.2ED1C8248E1@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050720055704.2ED1C8248E1@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <E1DvFeZ-00031L-00@globalnet.co.uk>

David

Just a couple of points since Mark has already answered very well

Frederic Rinaldi's plugin in the rev development/plugin menu is 
invaluble for testing Rev's regex implementation and porting syntax, 
if you haven't discovered it

Like Mark, I had difficulties with the (?s) switch, though I 
concluded that this was to do with the greediness of the regex engine 
and my ignorance.   I resorted to using repeat for each line since I 
could not get lookbehind to work.

I would also recommend Jeffrey Friedl's illuminating book, though 
probably not reading it as I did during a  couple of sleepless nights 
with a dental abscess.  It is not a recipe book, but then I suspect 
that you already have a good understanding of regex.

David Wilkinson


From brad at activadesign.com  Wed Jul 20 10:25:46 2005
From: brad at activadesign.com (Brad Borch)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:25:46 -0400
Subject: ftp problem
In-Reply-To: <AC224AC1-82E2-417E-8748-D86E94DC7AA7@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <dbjdeb$gb3$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<AC224AC1-82E2-417E-8748-D86E94DC7AA7@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <dblmpr$a8v$1@sea.gmane.org>

Thanks, I'll try your suggestion. I wasn't clear about the result; the 
seconds kept ticking, meaning the repeat look kept looping, even though 
the bytes uploaded were equal to the bytes to be uploaded.

Dave Cragg wrote:
> 
> On 19 Jul 2005, at 18:33, Brad Borch wrote:
> 
>> I have a script to upload a file to an ftp site:
>>
>>   libURLftpUpload compress(fData), myURLstring
>>
>>   repeat while URLStatus(myURLstring) is NOT "uploaded"
>>      put URLStatus(myURLstring) && the long time
>>   end repeat
>>
>> but this is the message I get:
>>
>> uploading, 511814,511814 1:30:32 PM
>>
>> so it looks like the file is completely uploaded, but the server  
>> isn't acknowledging it or something?
> 
> 
> I think what you are seeing is what you would expect. The message is  
> the last status displayed prior to the status changing to "uploaded".  
> Once it changes, your repeat loop will exit and no further status  
> messages will appear.
> 
> However, the repeat loop after the libUrlFtpUpload is not a good  idea. 
> I'm surprised you are even seeing the "uploading" message.  libUrl 
> carries out everything in a normal Rev script. The repeat loop  will run 
> continuouly and block other scripts running.
> 
> The script below is a safer way to handle this:
> 
> on mouseUp ## or in whatever handler
>   libURLftpUpload compress(fData), myURLstring
>   showStatus myURLstring
> end mouseUp
> 
> on showStatus pUrl
>   put urlStatus(pUrl) into tStatus
>   put tStatus
>   if tStatus is not among the items of "uploaded,error,timeout" then
>     send "showStatus pUrl" to me in 50 milliseconds
>   end if
> end showStatus
> 
> 
> Cheers
> Dave
> 
> 
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From brad at activadesign.com  Wed Jul 20 10:35:21 2005
From: brad at activadesign.com (Brad Borch)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:35:21 -0400
Subject: embed/install font
In-Reply-To: <143.49471793.300f4375@aol.com>
References: <143.49471793.300f4375@aol.com>
Message-ID: <dblnbq$c84$1@sea.gmane.org>

Yes--my first post that began this thread references an earlier thread 
"Own fontsuite with standalone?" I tried the EXT external, but was 
unable to get the the PC executable to return any external commands:

set the externals of this stack to gStackPath & "/EXT.dll"
   put the externalCommands of this stack into fld "fontTest2"
   put the externals of this stack into fld "thisTest"
   ext_loadFont (gStackPath & "/VeraMoBI.ttf")

But I'm not proficient enough at Transcript yet to know where the 
problem lies.

It appears from thist thread that this is a pretty significant feature 
request. I opted to use Rev because of its handling of Unicode; Flash 
handles Unicode and also embeds fonts. I felt Rev had other significant 
strengths, but it sure would be nice to have this problem solved.


tFlexibleLearning at aol.com wrote:

> Doesn't the EXT external provide this functionailty? Maybe memory is  
> slipping.
>  
> /H
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From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Wed Jul 20 10:35:13 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:35:13 -0400
Subject: A curious question...
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445E9@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>


I have a feeling most folks will not want to answer this question
directly, but I am curious and so feel compelled to ask...

How much does a typical freelance Revolution programmer earn per year?

I realize there are several caveats to such a question, but I am just
trying to get a sense of it - so any answer you can give me would be
welcome.

Thanks,

J





From jhurley at infostations.com  Wed Jul 20 10:40:37 2005
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 07:40:37 -0700
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <20050720055704.048998248DF@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050720055704.048998248DF@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p06200704bf040fdd6b19@[69.85.136.57]>

For my fellow puzzle addicts:

Here is this weeks NPR puzzle (Sunday Weekend edition)

Sunday Puzzle

By Will Shortz


Challenge for July 24:

A 10-letter word for a form of travel, that consists of five 
consecutive symbols of chemical elements. What is it? If automobile 
had been the answer, AU, would represent Gold, MO would represent 
Molybdenum, and BI, would represent Bismuth. Unfortunately, the 
remaining bigrams, TO and LE, are not chemical symbols.


I have put up a stack with two fields. The first contains all 10 
letter words in my dictionary.

The second contains all two character elements from the periodic table.

You task, should you choose to adopt it, is to write a Run Rev 
handler to solve this weeks NPR puzzle defined above.

In the message box:

go stack url  "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/NPRpuzzle.rev"

Jim

From b.xavier at internet.lu  Wed Jul 20 10:53:17 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:53:17 +0200
Subject: A curious question...
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445E9@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <20050720144431.AFA3C8248D7@mail.runrev.com>

Jon

That's a good question. I'm interested too... 
Should it become a professional need...

Only if it's not too personal naturally ;)

As far as i know, some service provides can make (or
cost) up to a 1000EUs a day or more in our corporate 
banking realm...

I know most equaly qualified professionals that are
not self employed dont make this kind of money in a
week... 

cheers
Xavier


> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Lynch, Jonathan
> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 16:35
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: A curious question...
> 
> 
> I have a feeling most folks will not want to answer this 
> question directly, but I am curious and so feel compelled to ask...
> 
> How much does a typical freelance Revolution programmer earn per year?
> 
> I realize there are several caveats to such a question, but I 
> am just trying to get a sense of it - so any answer you can 
> give me would be welcome.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> J
> 
> 
> 
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From revdan at danshafer.com  Wed Jul 20 10:57:06 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 07:57:06 -0700
Subject: Reminder of Shafer Book Status (Was Re: Asking for Shao Sean's
	Calendar Object)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507192223320.18735-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507192223320.18735-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <BFA82E3A-3151-48B5-BD81-9094EE6E22D2@danshafer.com>

Judy....

Answered off-list.
Dan

On Jul 19, 2005, at 10:26 PM, Judy Perry wrote:

> Yup, I'm a darned human.  Drat!  I suppose it's too late to try to  
> find an
> ex post facto Vulcan egg donor now, isn't it? ;-)
>
> Anyway, what about those of us who paid up-front for all 3 vols?
>
> I'm sure you've answered this already (and maybe even to me  
> privately for
> all I can recall; darned brain cells die off daily near as I can  
> tell),
> but what about us?
>
> Judy
>
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, Dan Shafer wrote:
>
>
>> Judy (and others).....
>>
>> It is difficult to get the word out to a community which doesn't read
>> every message on this list faithfully every day and remember
>> everything they've read. Darned humans.
>>
>> Anyway, just so it's clear....
>>
>> There are no plans to release Volumes 2 & 3 of my "Software at the
>> Speed of Thought" as such. Instead, listening to feedback from the
>> market and paying attention to the reality of development cycles for
>> Rev, I decided some time ago to start releasing what I call eBooklets
>> consisting of expanded chapter-sized chunks from the planned contents
>> of Volumes 2 & 3. I have already released the first two such
>> eBooklets. Chapter 21 on CGI and Chapter 25 on custom properties.
>> I've stopped numbering them now, but the next one on printing will be
>> out as soon as a few marketing issues are resolved. It's essentially
>> done and ready to publish.
>>
>> Other chapters will follow more rapidly now that RunRev and I are
>> clear on our respective roles and responsibilities in this ever-
>> evolving upward-progressive movement called life.
>>
>
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed Jul 20 10:52:08 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:52:08 +0200
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <p06200704bf040fdd6b19@[69.85.136.57]>
References: <20050720055704.048998248DF@mail.runrev.com>
	<p06200704bf040fdd6b19@[69.85.136.57]>
Message-ID: <C93F099B-5BBA-4FF7-A676-A473C2A29D1A@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Jim,

Quick and dirty :-)

alcoholism
alliterate
articulate
ceremonial
condescend
cuirassier
fraternise
generalise
helicopter
homogenise
inaccurate
liberalism
liberalise
monopolise
palatalise
palatinate
regenerate
reticulate
scarlatina
scrutineer
scrutinise
separatism
thereunder

30 milliseconds

Le 20 juil. 05 ? 16:40, Jim Hurley a ?crit :

> Challenge for July 24:
>
> A 10-letter word for a form of travel, that consists of five  
> consecutive symbols of chemical elements. What is it? If automobile  
> had been the answer, AU, would represent Gold, MO would represent  
> Molybdenum, and BI, would represent Bismuth. Unfortunately, the  
> remaining bigrams, TO and LE, are not chemical symbols.


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 20 11:30:57 2005
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:30:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: a maze-game stack?
In-Reply-To: <20050720144434.705B2824912@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20050720153057.52816.qmail@web40502.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Nicolas,

I'm writing to point an interesting solution
to your task: a pac-man version
scripted completely in Hypercard for US$10.00

HyperGames is a HyperCard stack, jam-packed with more
than 60exciting games and useful utilities.

Creative games include anacclaimed Pong clone, a
Pac-Man clone, animations, music makers, mathematical
puzzles, educational quizzes, etc.

Original HyperTalkutilities include a Find/Replace
function, an Internet dataconverter, an automatic
index generator, a progress bar, synchronisedmultiple
scrolling fields, and much much more.

It is also an ideal vehicle to learn scripting, as
well as to demonstrate the power of HyperCard.

<http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Games/HyperGames.shtml>
<http://www.hyperinfo.ca/HyperGames/>

al

Visit my site:
http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/


		
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From nicolas_cueto at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 20 11:32:49 2005
From: nicolas_cueto at yahoo.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 00:32:49 +0900
Subject: a maze-game stack?
References: <002901c58cd1$80a3f750$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>
	<A768A274-DA4F-4D90-95C8-7173FDFDA5C7@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <00da01c58d40$49ce7e20$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>

Dave Cragg asked:

> Is this the kind of thing you were thinkig of, Nicolas, or something
> else entirely?

Sure was, Dave. In fact, that was such a brilliantly simple solution
that my maze game is now pretty well done.

Many, many thank you's!

Cheers,
Nicolas Cueto




From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Jul 20 11:36:14 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:36:14 +0100
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <p06200704bf040fdd6b19@[69.85.136.57]>
References: <20050720055704.048998248DF@mail.runrev.com>
	<p06200704bf040fdd6b19@[69.85.136.57]>
Message-ID: <42DE6F6E.8090502@tweedly.net>

Jim Hurley wrote:

> For my fellow puzzle addicts:
>
> Here is this weeks NPR puzzle (Sunday Weekend edition)
>
> Sunday Puzzle
>
> By Will Shortz
>
>
> Challenge for July 24:
>
> A 10-letter word for a form of travel, that consists of five 
> consecutive symbols of chemical elements. What is it? If automobile 
> had been the answer, AU, would represent Gold, MO would represent 
> Molybdenum, and BI, would represent Bismuth. Unfortunately, the 
> remaining bigrams, TO and LE, are not chemical symbols.
>
>
> I have put up a stack with two fields. The first contains all 10 
> letter words in my dictionary.
>
> The second contains all two character elements from the periodic table.
>
> You task, should you choose to adopt it, is to write a Run Rev handler 
> to solve this weeks NPR puzzle defined above.
>
> In the message box:
>
> go stack url  "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/NPRpuzzle.rev"
>
Jim - do you think we have nothing better to do ??
I'm now an extra 15 minutes late on my deadline :-) :-)

I found 23 answers in your dictionary - just using a simple brute force 
search.
Interesting though sifting each position in turn, the number of 
possibles reduces :
3620
1626
509
216
101
23

Warning : code below - don't read any further unless you want to see it 
.....







I renamed your fields to "Words" and "Symbols", and added a couple of 
others named "status" and "Possible"

on mouseUp
  local w, s, i, theWords, wcount, theBit, nextWords, thisBitMatches
  put field "Words" into theWords
  repeat with i = 1 to 9 step 2
    put 0 into wcount
    put empty into nextWords
    repeat for each line w in theWords
      put char i to i+1 of w into theBit
      add 1 to wcount
      put "Working on position " && i && "Possible: " && the number of 
lines in theWords && wcount into line 1 of field "status"
      put false into thisBitMatches
      repeat for each line s in field "Symbols"
        if s = theBit then
          put true into thisBitMatches
          exit repeat
        end if
      end repeat
      if thisBitMatches then put w & cr after nextWords
    end repeat
    put nextWords into theWords
    put the number of lines in theWords into line (i+1)/2 of field 
"Possible"
  end repeat
  put cr & theWords after field "status"
end mouseUp


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From nicolas_cueto at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 20 11:42:05 2005
From: nicolas_cueto at yahoo.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 00:42:05 +0900
Subject: a maze-game stack?
Message-ID: <00e001c58d41$957f3660$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>

Thanks, Alejandro, I'm intrigued but ours are Windows
machines only. If just the scripts are available, would
they be English-like enough that they could be "trans-
lated" into Rev-talk? The Pac-Man game is especially
tempting.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From b.xavier at internet.lu  Wed Jul 20 12:10:19 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:10:19 +0200
Subject: going nuts again
Message-ID: <20050720160125.2F526824907@mail.runrev.com>

Hi everyone,
 
Not long ago, there was a mention of problem with images not refreshing
correctly based on a changing path of the image.
 
Well, not long ago, actually centuries ago (naturally, i couldn't find it
anymore despite being sure i entered it - and i doubt it is easily
replicatable - and i dont have time to rebugzilla it), i posted a problem
with some images not refreshing correctly irrespective of where the image
was.
 
In this case, im using buttons as patterned objects. And since groups can't
be set opaque reliably either on WinXP compared to W2K, again a button for
bg pattern. hummmm... 
 
First observation is that changing a backpattern doesn't always refresh -
sometimes it's just black (try to flip the pattern image horizontally and
see that happens to your buttons' patterns after). 
 
Since these are all cloned objects, often is the case that one or the other
button patterns start to act up on their own despite their properties. Some
display a black 2 pixel border (no border is show though), others don't even
show their patterns or only do so when clicked! In another case, each time i
display this window with patterns, a patterns shows or doesn't... 
 
All images are buffered naturally... Sometime a simple click on the button
will restore the image! WTF?
 
This is a time waste each time it happens. You just can't fix anything on
these buttons. Happens mostly on buttons but on menus too. So you have to
redo one from scratch! 
 
Any ideas or fixes?
 
thanks
Xavier
 



From bann at sunncomm.com  Wed Jul 20 12:11:20 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:11:20 -0700
Subject: card printing question???
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760980@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>

Hello everyone,

I have a gif image size 350 x 500.  I want to display it in the field so
user can scroll up and down to view it and print the whole image out.

This is what I have done:
I create a field and insert this code into the field:

on openCard
  set the imageSource of char 1 of field "myField" to "myImage"
end openCard


--->  the field displays the image perfectly the way I want it.

I also create a button (Print) on the same card.  I insert this code
into the Print button:

on mouseUp
  revPrintField the name of field "myField"
end mouseUp


The problem is when I click on the button "Print".  I give me error:

     	executing at 9:08:44 AM
Type	Chunk: no such object
Object	Print
Line	revPrintField the name of field "myField"
Hint	myField


Also, I go to File then the "Print Field" option is grey out

Could someone help me with this please

Thank you


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jul 20 12:20:38 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:20:38 -0500
Subject: Invisible insertion point in field
In-Reply-To: <E1DvEvz-0002yO-00@globalnet.co.uk>
References: <20050720055704.2ED1C8248E1@mail.runrev.com>
	<E1DvEvz-0002yO-00@globalnet.co.uk>
Message-ID: <42DE79D6.5090103@hyperactivesw.com>

David Wilkinson wrote:

> The problem is that although you can 
> enter text in the edit field, the insertion point is invisible. Does 
> anyone know why this might be?

Does the field have both the traversalOn property and the autoHilite 
property set to true?

To lock/unlock a field you need to set three field properties: locktext, 
autohilite, traversalOn. The last two should be set to the opposite of 
the first one.


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Wed Jul 20 12:23:32 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:23:32 -0400
Subject: Invisible insertion point in field
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A99680B4@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

I also find that sometimes fields just become corrupted and have to be
replaced (just happened to me). This basically means creating a new
field, setting it's name, script, and other properties to the same as
the old field - and getting rid of the old field.

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of J. Landman
Gay
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 12:21 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Invisible insertion point in field

David Wilkinson wrote:

> The problem is that although you can 
> enter text in the edit field, the insertion point is invisible. Does 
> anyone know why this might be?

Does the field have both the traversalOn property and the autoHilite 
property set to true?

To lock/unlock a field you need to set three field properties: locktext,

autohilite, traversalOn. The last two should be set to the opposite of 
the first one.


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jul 20 12:26:45 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:26:45 -0700
Subject: Invisible insertion point in field
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A99680B4@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A99680B4@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <42DE7B45.8090800@fourthworld.com>

Lynch, Jonathan wrote:
> I also find that sometimes fields just become corrupted and have to be
> replaced (just happened to me). This basically means creating a new
> field, setting it's name, script, and other properties to the same as
> the old field - and getting rid of the old field.

I've seen rare cases of images becoming corrupted, but never a field.

Have you found a recipe for this?
Sent your corrupted object to RunRev?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Jul 20 12:27:14 2005
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:27:14 -0700
Subject: going nuts again
In-Reply-To: <20050720160125.2F526824907@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BF03C972.1CA91%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, MisterX  wrote:

> not long ago, actually centuries ago (naturally, i couldn't find it
> anymore despite being sure i entered it - and i doubt it is easily
> replicatable - and i dont have time to rebugzilla it), i posted a problem
> with some images not refreshing correctly irrespective of where the image
> was.
> 
> In this case, im using buttons as patterned objects. And since groups can't
> be set opaque reliably either on WinXP compared to W2K, again a button for
> bg pattern. hummmm...

This is amusing, I never even knew you could set a background to be opaque.
The behavior seems a bit unusual though (here on OSX) in that even though it
looks opaque, it doesn't catch mouse clicks.


> First observation is that changing a backpattern doesn't always refresh -
> sometimes it's just black (try to flip the pattern image horizontally and
> see that happens to your buttons' patterns after).
> 
> Since these are all cloned objects, often is the case that one or the other
> button patterns start to act up on their own despite their properties. Some
> display a black 2 pixel border (no border is show though), others don't even
> show their patterns or only do so when clicked! In another case, each time i
> display this window with patterns, a patterns shows or doesn't...

Isn't it still that case that images used as repeating patterns must be
multiples of specific sizes?  "To be used on Windows and Unix systems,
height and width must be divisible by 8." Could this be the problem, that
you're using images of incorrect dimensions?

The only artifact I've noticed recently is that scaling an image vertically
with transparency on its right side will produce a single black pixel line
on the outside edge.


> All images are buffered naturally... Sometime a simple click on the button
> will restore the image! WTF?
> 
> This is a time waste each time it happens. You just can't fix anything on
> these buttons. Happens mostly on buttons but on menus too. So you have to
> redo one from scratch!
> 
> Any ideas or fixes?

Have the images been created in Rev?  If not, did you try using the "cursor
fix" technique of clicking on them with one of the paint tools to convert to
"native" Rev format?

Maybe trying another object?  Does the object in the group need to be a
button?  How about a graphic?


Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From Hamburger1 at aol.com  Wed Jul 20 12:30:16 2005
From: Hamburger1 at aol.com (Hamburger1 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:30:16 EDT
Subject: newbie-menubar problems
Message-ID: <60.59c28686.300fd618@aol.com>

Hi Rev fans!

I'm starting to convert my ancient HyperCard stacks to revolution. Some of my 
stacks are simple enough that I'm merely recreating them in revolution, 
rather than convert them. Anyway, apparently I'm having the common problem with 
menubars.

Problem 1: In order for all my menus columns to appear I need to have a 
"phantom" help menu on the end that I don't want.

Problem 2: I want to add "Select All/A" to the edit menu and it won't let me 
add anything after the traditional cut, copy, paste, clear. What stupid trap 
did I fall into?

Joe
Orlando, Florida


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jul 20 12:50:40 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:50:40 -0500
Subject: Invisible insertion point in field
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A99680B4@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A99680B4@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <42DE80E0.7030806@hyperactivesw.com>

Lynch, Jonathan wrote:
 > I also find that sometimes fields just become corrupted and have to be
 > replaced (just happened to me). This basically means creating a new
 > field, setting it's name, script, and other properties to the same as
 > the old field - and getting rid of the old field.

I've never seen this happen. Do you have a recipe, or any idea what 
might cause it? Maybe it isn't really corruption?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From gbojsza at gmail.com  Wed Jul 20 12:54:18 2005
From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:54:18 -0400
Subject: Difference in iconic placement
Message-ID: <3d8af415050720095476208ada@mail.gmail.com>

I am using Win XP and if I am in the Revolution IDE and have a stack
with a button that

on mouseUp
 set the iconic of stack "whatever" to true
end mouseUp

Then it is placed in the XP bar at the bottom of the screen in the
taskbar where it and other applications get placed.

When I create a standalone with this stack and iconify it then it is
placed "above" the taskbar??

Is there something that is additionally being done in the Rev IDE?

thanks,


From b.xavier at internet.lu  Wed Jul 20 12:57:18 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:57:18 +0200
Subject: going nuts again
In-Reply-To: <BF03C972.1CA91%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <20050720164822.9B8C58247C0@mail.runrev.com>


Scott, my hero!!!

Indeed my patterns was 41 pixels in height!!!!

Darn primitive earth tech! ;)
Where's the freedom of expression in that i wonder?

so many patterns, so many that are rev or mac incompatible "by design"!
pfff - If the web was restricted so... woah...

Im sure Rev will conquer this problem soon or later but meanwhile,
One more error detector to write...

Thanks again Scott!

cheers
Xavier

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Scott Rossi
> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 18:27
> To: x at monsieurx.com, How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: going nuts again
> 
> Recently, MisterX  wrote:
> 
> > not long ago, actually centuries ago (naturally, i couldn't find it 
> > anymore despite being sure i entered it - and i doubt it is easily 
> > replicatable - and i dont have time to rebugzilla it), i posted a 
> > problem with some images not refreshing correctly irrespective of 
> > where the image was.
> > 
> > In this case, im using buttons as patterned objects. And 
> since groups 
> > can't be set opaque reliably either on WinXP compared to 
> W2K, again a 
> > button for bg pattern. hummmm...
> 
> This is amusing, I never even knew you could set a background 
> to be opaque.
> The behavior seems a bit unusual though (here on OSX) in that 
> even though it looks opaque, it doesn't catch mouse clicks.
> 
> 
> > First observation is that changing a backpattern doesn't always 
> > refresh - sometimes it's just black (try to flip the pattern image 
> > horizontally and see that happens to your buttons' patterns after).
> > 
> > Since these are all cloned objects, often is the case that 
> one or the 
> > other button patterns start to act up on their own despite their 
> > properties. Some display a black 2 pixel border (no border is show 
> > though), others don't even show their patterns or only do so when 
> > clicked! In another case, each time i display this window 
> with patterns, a patterns shows or doesn't...
> 
> Isn't it still that case that images used as repeating 
> patterns must be multiples of specific sizes?  "To be used on 
> Windows and Unix systems, height and width must be divisible 
> by 8." Could this be the problem, that you're using images of 
> incorrect dimensions?
> 
> The only artifact I've noticed recently is that scaling an 
> image vertically with transparency on its right side will 
> produce a single black pixel line on the outside edge.
> 
> 
> > All images are buffered naturally... Sometime a simple click on the 
> > button will restore the image! WTF?
> > 
> > This is a time waste each time it happens. You just can't 
> fix anything 
> > on these buttons. Happens mostly on buttons but on menus 
> too. So you 
> > have to redo one from scratch!
> > 
> > Any ideas or fixes?
> 
> Have the images been created in Rev?  If not, did you try 
> using the "cursor fix" technique of clicking on them with one 
> of the paint tools to convert to "native" Rev format?
> 
> Maybe trying another object?  Does the object in the group 
> need to be a button?  How about a graphic?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
> -----
> E: scott at tactilemedia.com
> W: http://www.tactilemedia.com
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From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Wed Jul 20 12:56:39 2005
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:56:39 +0100
Subject: ftp problem
In-Reply-To: <dblmpr$a8v$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <dbjdeb$gb3$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<AC224AC1-82E2-417E-8748-D86E94DC7AA7@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<dblmpr$a8v$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <8C6DCD5F-D23C-4675-AFB9-C65FB219B42B@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 20 Jul 2005, at 15:25, Brad Borch wrote:

> Thanks, I'll try your suggestion. I wasn't clear about the result;  
> the seconds kept ticking, meaning the repeat look kept looping,  
> even though the bytes uploaded were equal to the bytes to be uploaded.

That makes sense, and was kind of what I got here when I tested your  
script, except mine stuck at the "contacted" stage, but with time  
also ticking over.

Here's another solution which is closer to your original script, so  
you may feel more comfortable with it:

    libURLftpUpload compress(fData), myURLstring

   repeat until URLStatus(myURLstring) is in "uploaded,error,timeout"
      put URLStatus(myURLstring) && the long time
     wait for messages
   end repeat

The "wait for messages" line will allow background scripts to run.

Cheers
Dave




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jul 20 12:56:45 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:56:45 -0500
Subject: card printing question???
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760980@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760980@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <42DE824D.8080000@hyperactivesw.com>

Ban Nguyen wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I have a gif image size 350 x 500.  I want to display it in the field so
> user can scroll up and down to view it and print the whole image out.
> 
> This is what I have done:
> I create a field and insert this code into the field:
> 
> on openCard
>   set the imageSource of char 1 of field "myField" to "myImage"
> end openCard
> 
> 
> --->  the field displays the image perfectly the way I want it.
> 
> I also create a button (Print) on the same card.  I insert this code
> into the Print button:
> 
> on mouseUp
>   revPrintField the name of field "myField"
> end mouseUp

The revPrintField command prints the text of a field. I'm not sure why 
it says there is no such object, though.

You should not put the image into a field if you want to print it. 
Instead, put the image on the card and group the image. Then make the 
group the size you want, set its locklocation to true, and add vertical 
and horizontal scrollbars. Then your user can scroll it around.

To print it, use "print this card from x1,y1 to x2,y2". The visible part 
of the image will print. You might want to make a printing substack that 
is large enough to hold the entire image, and then just print that 
instead. If you print from the scrolling group, only the visible part of 
the image inside the group will print, so you need a big card to print 
that will hold the entire image at once.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From gbojsza at gmail.com  Wed Jul 20 13:01:27 2005
From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 13:01:27 -0400
Subject: Difference in iconic placement - discovered!
Message-ID: <3d8af41505072010013a8f1d78@mail.gmail.com>

I have discovered the difference in the use of the iconic command.

In the REV IDE I always work with "full decorations" (ie minimize,
maximize etc).

My application has decorations set to empty and because of this the
iconic command works differently as mentioned in my earlier post.

Sorry for the list time but hopefully someone will benefit.

regards,


From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Wed Jul 20 13:05:33 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 13:05:33 -0400
Subject: Invisible insertion point in field
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445ED@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

Well - I just had a field do the strangest thing...

I have a button that inserts a link that opens up whatever document you
link it to.

After it inserts that link, which is a wing-dings character, it then
resets the font information in the selection just after the character to
be what it was before the document link was inserted.

For some reason, on this field, it kept using the wingdings font after I
inserted the document link - I have no idea why. In all other fields, it
worked like it was supposed to. When I compared properties in the
property inspector for this field, and for a working field, I could not
find any differences.

Recreating the field took care of the problem, however.

I have also had a field keep my cursor invisible, and recreating that
field got rid of that problem as well.

I cannot be sure there wasn't some property setting that I was not
getting right in either case - just that I could not find such a
setting.

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of J. Landman
Gay
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 12:51 PM
Cc: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Invisible insertion point in field

Lynch, Jonathan wrote:
 > I also find that sometimes fields just become corrupted and have to
be
 > replaced (just happened to me). This basically means creating a new
 > field, setting it's name, script, and other properties to the same as
 > the old field - and getting rid of the old field.

I've never seen this happen. Do you have a recipe, or any idea what 
might cause it? Maybe it isn't really corruption?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From brad at activadesign.com  Wed Jul 20 13:27:47 2005
From: brad at activadesign.com (Brad Borch)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 13:27:47 -0400
Subject: Unicode frustration
Message-ID: <dbm1f4$f54$1@sea.gmane.org>

Ok, I'm befuddled. I'm not quite sure how Revolution handles unicode. I 
have a field that lists all the fonts in my system. The Rev 
documentation says:

"Revolution automatically sets the textFont of double-byte characters to 
the appropriate Unicode font."

So if I set the htmltext of a field like so:

<font face="Bitstream Vera" lang="en-UC">????? ????????</font>

The first string of Greek characters is rendered as Greek, but the 
second is rendered as Asian characters (I don't know which). Getting the 
html text of the field after setting it to the above string yields this:

<p><font face="Bitstream Vera" 
lang="en-UC">&#945;&#946;&#947;&#948;&#949;&#8195;&#46339;&#47875;&#47875;&#46339;&#48387;&#47363;&#47619;</font></p>

If I take out the space in the text I originally pasted, it renders the 
entities correctly:

<p><font face="Bitstream Vera" 
lang="en-UC">&#945;&#946;&#947;&#948;&#949;&#949;&#955;&#955;&#949;&#957;&#953;&#954;&#945;</font></p>

So there's some conversion going on inside Revolution to standardize the 
html, but it looks like there's a bug in the process somewhere.

If I type or paste in Greek unicode characters, the htmltext gets 
updated to reflect the text: paste in "????? ????????" and get the 
htmltext, the font tag gets updated to include "lang="el"" (doesn't 
matter what face it is, I guess it just uses whatever is the default 
Unicode font.

What's happening here? How can I force Rev to use the Unicode text I 
want it to use?



From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Wed Jul 20 13:28:50 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 13:28:50 -0400
Subject: Unicode frustration
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A99680B9@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

Can you set the textfont of the field itself, rather than in the htmltext?

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Brad Borch
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 1:28 PM
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Subject: Unicode frustration

Ok, I'm befuddled. I'm not quite sure how Revolution handles unicode. I 
have a field that lists all the fonts in my system. The Rev 
documentation says:

"Revolution automatically sets the textFont of double-byte characters to 
the appropriate Unicode font."

So if I set the htmltext of a field like so:

<font face="Bitstream Vera" lang="en-UC">????? ????????</font>

The first string of Greek characters is rendered as Greek, but the 
second is rendered as Asian characters (I don't know which). Getting the 
html text of the field after setting it to the above string yields this:

<p><font face="Bitstream Vera" 
lang="en-UC">&#945;&#946;&#947;&#948;&#949;&#8195;&#46339;&#47875;&#47875;&#46339;&#48387;&#47363;&#47619;</font></p>

If I take out the space in the text I originally pasted, it renders the 
entities correctly:

<p><font face="Bitstream Vera" 
lang="en-UC">&#945;&#946;&#947;&#948;&#949;&#949;&#955;&#955;&#949;&#957;&#953;&#954;&#945;</font></p>

So there's some conversion going on inside Revolution to standardize the 
html, but it looks like there's a bug in the process somewhere.

If I type or paste in Greek unicode characters, the htmltext gets 
updated to reflect the text: paste in "????? ????????" and get the 
htmltext, the font tag gets updated to include "lang="el"" (doesn't 
matter what face it is, I guess it just uses whatever is the default 
Unicode font.

What's happening here? How can I force Rev to use the Unicode text I 
want it to use?

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From revdan at danshafer.com  Wed Jul 20 13:33:58 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:33:58 -0700
Subject: card printing question???
In-Reply-To: <42DE824D.8080000@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760980@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
	<42DE824D.8080000@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <E67D01C6-E786-4511-AE97-7A0156FD8450@danshafer.com>

While I'm certain what Jacque says is good advice, I found that using  
exactly your scripts, the code worked fine and the picture printed as  
expected.

However, only the portion of the image visible in the field prints.  
I've never found 'set the imageSource' to work very well. The images  
that get loaded are always mostly out of the field. I'm sure I'm  
missing something but since I never have to use it, it's no big deal  
for me.

Dan

On Jul 20, 2005, at 9:56 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Ban Nguyen wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>> I have a gif image size 350 x 500.  I want to display it in the  
>> field so
>> user can scroll up and down to view it and print the whole image out.
>> This is what I have done:
>> I create a field and insert this code into the field:
>> on openCard
>>   set the imageSource of char 1 of field "myField" to "myImage"
>> end openCard
>> --->  the field displays the image perfectly the way I want it.
>> I also create a button (Print) on the same card.  I insert this code
>> into the Print button:
>> on mouseUp
>>   revPrintField the name of field "myField"
>> end mouseUp
>>
>
> The revPrintField command prints the text of a field. I'm not sure  
> why it says there is no such object, though.
>
> You should not put the image into a field if you want to print it.  
> Instead, put the image on the card and group the image. Then make  
> the group the size you want, set its locklocation to true, and add  
> vertical and horizontal scrollbars. Then your user can scroll it  
> around.
>
> To print it, use "print this card from x1,y1 to x2,y2". The visible  
> part of the image will print. You might want to make a printing  
> substack that is large enough to hold the entire image, and then  
> just print that instead. If you print from the scrolling group,  
> only the visible part of the image inside the group will print, so  
> you need a big card to print that will hold the entire image at once.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Jul 20 13:46:18 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:46:18 -0700
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <C93F099B-5BBA-4FF7-A676-A473C2A29D1A@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <20050720055704.048998248DF@mail.runrev.com>
	<p06200704bf040fdd6b19@[69.85.136.57]>
	<C93F099B-5BBA-4FF7-A676-A473C2A29D1A@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <473360241.20050720104618@ahsoftware.net>

Eric-

Wednesday, July 20, 2005, 7:52:08 AM, you wrote:

How'd you manage to get 30 milliseconds run time? The best I can do is
about 130. Is your machine just that much faster than mine? Here's the
fastest code I could come up with - any suggestions on speeding it up?

on mouseUp
  local tLine, tTestString
  local x
  local tBlnPossible
  local tDictionary, tElements, tPossibles
  local tTime
  
  put "working..." into field "status"
  put empty into field "possibles"
  
  put the milliseconds into tTime
  put field "dictionary" into tDictionary
  put field "elements" into tElements
  
  repeat for each line tLine in tDictionary
    put true into tBlnPossible
    repeat with x=1 to 9 step 2
      put char x to x+1 of tLine into tTestString
      if tTestString is not among the lines of tElements then
        put false into tBlnPossible
        exit repeat
      end if
    end repeat
    if tBlnPossible then
      put tLine & cr after tPossibles
    end if
  end repeat
  put the milliseconds - tTime && "milliseconds" into field "elapsed"
  
  put tPossibles into field "possibles"
  put "found" && the number of lines in field "possibles" \
      && "possible answers" into field "status"
end mouseUp

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From SimPLsol at aol.com  Wed Jul 20 13:58:18 2005
From: SimPLsol at aol.com (SimPLsol at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 13:58:18 EDT
Subject: Project Registry (was Ransomware)
Message-ID: <217.5227550.300feaba@aol.com>

Dan et al.,
     Seems there is a lot of interest in the Ransomware idea. Opinions appear 
to be split between philanthropy and profit (that will work itself out). 
Brian, and others, wondered if this was just a debate or whether we would actually 
build something. Let's try building it:

     The first thing needed is some type of registry for proposals and bids. 
So let's make that the first request.

Work requested: Build a Project Request Registry

Description: This will be a web site with functionality similar to the 
current Feature Enhancement section of STSRevzilla. It will allow users to post 
requests, investors to make pledges, and developers to bid on the projects. It 
will also let developers post proposals and request financing. There will be a 
summary page of all requests and a detail page for each request. The format of 
the detail page will be similar to the one used for this request. There will 
also be detail pages for each bid/quote.

Moderator for this request: Dan?/Paul?/???

Voting basis: One vote per dollar invested

Distribution of completed project: Given to Revolution Ltd. if they agree to 
host it. Given to any other host if Rev. declines the gift. This work is not 
intended to be sold, no profits are anticipated.

Maintenance: Developer's proposal should contain reserves for bug fixes 
during the first three months this is deployed. Improvements or later bug fixes 
will be handled by a separate requests.

Limit on number of investors: None

Currency used: US Dollars

Minimum contribution per investor: $10

Maximum contribution per investor: $10,000

Pledges to date:
Paul Looney, SimPLsol at Aol.com, $100


Money collected to date:


Escrow account held at:
Escrow account number:
People with access to the escrow account:

Bids/Proposals/Quotes to date:

Changes and Amendments to Proposal (with dates amended):

Additional revenue required to start project:

Project assigned to:
Proposed completion date:
Project completed on:
Money dispersed on:

This is obviously a crude "first pass". Let's keep the ideas coming.
Paul Looney


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Wed Jul 20 13:59:58 2005
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:59:58 -0700
Subject: Invisible insertion point in field
In-Reply-To: <42DE7B45.8090800@fourthworld.com>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A99680B4@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
	<42DE7B45.8090800@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <p06230906bf0433197f4b@[192.168.1.104]>

>
>I've seen rare cases of images becoming corrupted, but never a field.
>  Richard Gaskin

This has happened to me several times -- usually the problem is the 
insertion point missing or I am unable to enter or change text in the 
field.

I've been experimenting with some "object creation from text" 
routines, where I get all the properties of an object, arrange as 
tabbed/return text (with adjustments for the imbedded returns in some 
of the data), store the description info in a custom property, then 
recreate the object anew with the CREATE command, turn the property 
into an array, and finally apply the array to the new object. I have 
not extended this into groups yet, but seems not to hard to do.

I guess that could be fashioned into a 'biofilter' for errant objects.

I wonder what a corrupted component would do to such a grinder? I 
guess I'd trap the errors and find a way to filter the garbage. A 
utility for a rainy day.

This is very similar to the way object properties were handled in the 
great product "Windowscript" (another legendary Heizer product (I 
bought all their goodies).

sqb



From irog at mac.com  Wed Jul 20 14:09:16 2005
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:09:16 -0600
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <20050720144434.705B2824912@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050720144434.705B2824912@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3FFE5C02-3E43-426C-8E24-88398C572EA0@mac.com>

Hello Jim,

I did it with following script:

on mouseUp
     repeat with i = 1 to the number of lines of fld Wrds
         set cursor to busy
         put char 1 to 2 into Abr1
         put char 3 to 4 into Abr2
         put char 5 to 6 into Abr3
         put char 7 to 8 into Abr4
         put char 9 to 10 into Abr5
         if fld eles contains Abr1 and fld eles contains Abr2 and fld  
eles contains Abr3\
             and fld eles contains Abr4 and fld eles contains Abr5 then
             put "   "&abr1&&abr2&&abr3&&abr4&&abr5 into word 2 of  
line i of fld Wrds
         end if
     end repeat
end mouseUp

This comes up with a number of words that fit the elements list but  
only one for a mode of travel; helicopter.

Thanks for the challenge!

Cheers, Roger




On Jul 20, 2005, at 8:44 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

> Message: 18
> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 07:40:37 -0700
> From: Jim Hurley <jhurley at infostations.com>
> Subject: NPR puzzle
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Message-ID: <p06200704bf040fdd6b19@[69.85.136.57]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
>
> For my fellow puzzle addicts:
>
> Here is this weeks NPR puzzle (Sunday Weekend edition)
>
> Sunday Puzzle
>
> By Will Shortz
>
>
> Challenge for July 24:
>
> A 10-letter word for a form of travel, that consists of five
> consecutive symbols of chemical elements. What is it? If automobile
> had been the answer, AU, would represent Gold, MO would represent
> Molybdenum, and BI, would represent Bismuth. Unfortunately, the
> remaining bigrams, TO and LE, are not chemical symbols.
>
>
> I have put up a stack with two fields. The first contains all 10
> letter words in my dictionary.
>
> The second contains all two character elements from the periodic  
> table.
>
> You task, should you choose to adopt it, is to write a Run Rev
> handler to solve this weeks NPR puzzle defined above.
>
> In the message box:
>
> go stack url  "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/NPRpuzzle.rev"
>
> Jim
>
>



From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Wed Jul 20 14:18:22 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:18:22 -0400
Subject: Invisible insertion point in field
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445ED@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445ED@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <90996CA6-12F9-4BBF-AAEA-B957525F196D@conncoll.edu>

This _sounds_ like the same problem I was posting about a week or two  
ago. Test for similarity of bug: in msg box do "put the htmltext of  
fld '<fieldname>'" and look in the output for a bous "<font" tag  
added by Rev; it would hard-wire the current default (owner's) font.  
Further test: is this in a substack? If yes to both, that's the bug I  
posted. (Solution found later: pre-hard-wire the default font in the  
substack.)

Charles Hartman


On Jul 20, 2005, at 1:05 PM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:

> After it inserts that link, which is a wing-dings character, it then
> resets the font information in the selection just after the  
> character to
> be what it was before the document link was inserted.
>
> For some reason, on this field, it kept using the wingdings font  
> after I
> inserted the document link - I have no idea why. In all other  
> fields, it
> worked like it was supposed to. When I compared properties in the
> property inspector for this field, and for a working field, I could  
> not
> find any differences.
>

Charles Hartman
Professor of English, Poet in Residence
Connecticut College
charles.hartman at conncoll.edu
*the Scandroid* is at cherry.conncoll.edu/cohar/Programs.htm




From aloharo at gmail.com  Wed Jul 20 14:20:46 2005
From: aloharo at gmail.com (Ro Nagey)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:20:46 +0100
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <p06200704bf040fdd6b19@[69.85.136.57]>
References: <20050720055704.048998248DF@mail.runrev.com>
	<p06200704bf040fdd6b19@[69.85.136.57]>
Message-ID: <30A69236-86D6-4382-8A6D-378FE1F6DB39@gmail.com>

Here's my humble submission:

on doIt
   put the ticks into startTime
   put fld "element" into gorp
   repeat for each line l in fld "words"
     put "Yes" into myAnswer
     put  l  into myWord
     put myWord into daWord
     repeat 5 times
       put char 1 to 2 of daWord into anElement
       delete char 1 to 2 of daWord
       if anElement is not in gorp then
         put "No" into myAnswer
         exit repeat
       end if
     end repeat
     if myAnswer contains "Yes" then put myWord & return after  
finalAnswer
   end repeat
   put the ticks-startTime into totalTicks
   answer totalTicks && finalAnswer && the number of lines in  
finalAnswer
end doIt

Did it in 2 ticks and found 23 words :)

Ro Nagey


On Jul 20, 2005, at 3:40 PM, Jim Hurley wrote:

> For my fellow puzzle addicts:
>
> Here is this weeks NPR puzzle (Sunday Weekend edition)
>
> Sunday Puzzle
>
> By Will Shortz
>
>
> Challenge for July 24:
>
> A 10-letter word for a form of travel, that consists of five  
> consecutive symbols of chemical elements. What is it? If automobile  
> had been the answer, AU, would represent Gold, MO would represent  
> Molybdenum, and BI, would represent Bismuth. Unfortunately, the  
> remaining bigrams, TO and LE, are not chemical symbols.
>
>
> I have put up a stack with two fields. The first contains all 10  
> letter words in my dictionary.
>
> The second contains all two character elements from the periodic  
> table.
>
> You task, should you choose to adopt it, is to write a Run Rev  
> handler to solve this weeks NPR puzzle defined above.
>
> In the message box:
>
> go stack url  "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/NPRpuzzle.rev"
>
> Jim
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From aloharo at gmail.com  Wed Jul 20 14:30:56 2005
From: aloharo at gmail.com (Ro Nagey)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:30:56 +0100
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <p06200704bf040fdd6b19@[69.85.136.57]>
References: <20050720055704.048998248DF@mail.runrev.com>
	<p06200704bf040fdd6b19@[69.85.136.57]>
Message-ID: <BF3861DC-0474-4B63-93DB-A341B7F1D0EA@gmail.com>

Here's my humble submission:

on doIt
   put the ticks into startTime
   put fld "element" into gorp
   repeat for each line l in fld "words"
     put "Yes" into myAnswer
     put  l  into myWord
     put myWord into daWord
     repeat 5 times
       put char 1 to 2 of daWord into anElement
       delete char 1 to 2 of daWord
       if anElement is not in gorp then
         put "No" into myAnswer
         exit repeat
       end if
     end repeat
     if myAnswer contains "Yes" then put myWord & return after  
finalAnswer
   end repeat
   put the ticks-startTime into totalTicks
   answer totalTicks && finalAnswer && the number of lines in  
finalAnswer
end doIt

Did it in 2 ticks and found 23 words :)

Ro Nagey

Apologies in advance if you get this twice - the first one got held  
up because it was too long

From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Jul 20 14:39:02 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:39:02 +0100
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <473360241.20050720104618@ahsoftware.net>
References: <20050720055704.048998248DF@mail.runrev.com>	<p06200704bf040fdd6b19@[69.85.136.57]>	<C93F099B-5BBA-4FF7-A676-A473C2A29D1A@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<473360241.20050720104618@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <42DE9A46.7080901@tweedly.net>

Mark Wieder wrote:

>Eric-
>
>Wednesday, July 20, 2005, 7:52:08 AM, you wrote:
>
>How'd you manage to get 30 milliseconds run time? The best I can do is
>about 130. Is your machine just that much faster than mine? Here's the
>fastest code I could come up with - any suggestions on speeding it up?
>
>  
>
Mark,

your code reports a time of  20 msec on my machine (a middle-aged Sony 
laptop with WinXP).

You're not using one of those underpowered, overpriced Apple machines 
are you ?
Maybe if they switch to Intel they'll be faster <vbg>

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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed Jul 20 14:42:08 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:42:08 +0200
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <473360241.20050720104618@ahsoftware.net>
References: <20050720055704.048998248DF@mail.runrev.com>
	<p06200704bf040fdd6b19@[69.85.136.57]>
	<C93F099B-5BBA-4FF7-A676-A473C2A29D1A@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<473360241.20050720104618@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <08C3C7DC-4A29-4039-AC00-C41B7E9F75E3@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi mark,

As I told it, I took this problem quick and dirty in five minutes.
For me, the challenge was only to know how many words among 3620  
would match the formula :-)
So I used a very simple handler (running on a Mac G5 1.8 Mhz):
I blush with shame but here it is:

on mouseUp
   put the milliseconds into tStart
   put fld "Words" into tWords
   put fld "Elements" into tElements
   repeat for each line tLine in tWords
     if char 1 to 2 of tLine is not among the lines of tElements then  
next repeat
     if char 3 to 4 of tLine is not among the lines of tElements then  
next repeat
     if char 5 to 6 of tLine is not among the lines of tElements then  
next repeat
     if char 7 to 8 of tLine is not among the lines of tElements then  
next repeat
     if char 9 to 10 of tLine is not among the lines of tElements  
then next repeat
     put tLine & cr after tRightList
   end repeat
   put the milliseconds - tStart
   put tRightList into fld "Result"
end mouseUp

I think your code more optimised than mine :-)

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

Le 20 juil. 05 ? 19:46, Mark Wieder a ?crit :

> Eric-
>
> Wednesday, July 20, 2005, 7:52:08 AM, you wrote:
>
> How'd you manage to get 30 milliseconds run time? The best I can do is
> about 130. Is your machine just that much faster than mine? Here's the
> fastest code I could come up with - any suggestions on speeding it up?
>
> on mouseUp
>   local tLine, tTestString
>   local x
>   local tBlnPossible
>   local tDictionary, tElements, tPossibles
>   local tTime
>
>   put "working..." into field "status"
>   put empty into field "possibles"
>
>   put the milliseconds into tTime
>   put field "dictionary" into tDictionary
>   put field "elements" into tElements
>
>   repeat for each line tLine in tDictionary
>     put true into tBlnPossible
>     repeat with x=1 to 9 step 2
>       put char x to x+1 of tLine into tTestString
>       if tTestString is not among the lines of tElements then
>         put false into tBlnPossible
>         exit repeat
>       end if
>     end repeat
>     if tBlnPossible then
>       put tLine & cr after tPossibles
>     end if
>   end repeat
>   put the milliseconds - tTime && "milliseconds" into field "elapsed"
>
>   put tPossibles into field "possibles"
>   put "found" && the number of lines in field "possibles" \
>       && "possible answers" into field "status"
> end mouseUp

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From brad at activadesign.com  Wed Jul 20 14:45:30 2005
From: brad at activadesign.com (Brad Borch)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:45:30 -0400
Subject: Unicode frustration
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A99680B9@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A99680B9@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <dbm60r$ste$1@sea.gmane.org>

> Can you set the textfont of the field itself, rather than in the htmltext?
If I set the textfont, the non-unicode text changes.
If I actually select the text in the field and change the font via the 
menu, the text is converted to the single-byte characters (in other 
words, an ? is converted to ?, even though the font I've selected is a 
Unicode font (in this case, Bitstream Vera Sans).

> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Brad Borch
> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 1:28 PM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Unicode frustration
> 
> Ok, I'm befuddled. I'm not quite sure how Revolution handles unicode. I 
> have a field that lists all the fonts in my system. The Rev 
> documentation says:
> 
> "Revolution automatically sets the textFont of double-byte characters to 
> the appropriate Unicode font."
> 
> So if I set the htmltext of a field like so:
> 
> <font face="Bitstream Vera" lang="en-UC">????? ????????</font>
> 
> The first string of Greek characters is rendered as Greek, but the 
> second is rendered as Asian characters (I don't know which). Getting the 
> html text of the field after setting it to the above string yields this:
> 
> <p><font face="Bitstream Vera" 
> lang="en-UC">&#945;&#946;&#947;&#948;&#949;&#8195;&#46339;&#47875;&#47875;&#46339;&#48387;&#47363;&#47619;</font></p>
> 
> If I take out the space in the text I originally pasted, it renders the 
> entities correctly:
> 
> <p><font face="Bitstream Vera" 
> lang="en-UC">&#945;&#946;&#947;&#948;&#949;&#949;&#955;&#955;&#949;&#957;&#953;&#954;&#945;</font></p>
> 
> So there's some conversion going on inside Revolution to standardize the 
> html, but it looks like there's a bug in the process somewhere.
> 
> If I type or paste in Greek unicode characters, the htmltext gets 
> updated to reflect the text: paste in "????? ????????" and get the 
> htmltext, the font tag gets updated to include "lang="el"" (doesn't 
> matter what face it is, I guess it just uses whatever is the default 
> Unicode font.
> 
> What's happening here? How can I force Rev to use the Unicode text I 
> want it to use?
> 
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From revdan at danshafer.com  Wed Jul 20 14:49:26 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:49:26 -0700
Subject: Project Registry (was Ransomware)
In-Reply-To: <217.5227550.300feaba@aol.com>
References: <217.5227550.300feaba@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0FF5D924-257C-454B-BFB9-204EA0212E61@danshafer.com>

Wow.

I have to say that when I posted that first note a mere few hours  
ago, I had no idea it would catch on and become a potentially real  
project at all, let alone so rapidly.

I'm unsure about the escrow-management concept. It seems to me that  
the original idea I posted from elsewhere that the developer sets a  
fee level, begins development only when that level is reached, and  
the money goes to charity if the level isn't reached is a much  
simpler approach to administer. But I'm certainly neither the owner  
of the solution nor the arbiter of such decisions. I just think it's  
worth further debate.

dan



From aloharo at gmail.com  Wed Jul 20 14:51:34 2005
From: aloharo at gmail.com (Ro Nagey)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:51:34 +0100
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <p06200704bf040fdd6b19@[69.85.136.57]>
References: <20050720055704.048998248DF@mail.runrev.com>
	<p06200704bf040fdd6b19@[69.85.136.57]>
Message-ID: <5C7117BB-5C4D-4C41-93F1-CF3FBF0AEBC0@gmail.com>

Here's my humble submission:

on doIt
   put the ticks into startTime
   put fld "element" into gorp
   repeat for each line l in fld "words"
     put "Yes" into myAnswer
     put  l  into myWord
     put myWord into daWord
     repeat 5 times
       put char 1 to 2 of daWord into anElement
       delete char 1 to 2 of daWord
       if anElement is not in gorp then
         put "No" into myAnswer
         exit repeat
       end if
     end repeat
     if myAnswer contains "Yes" then put myWord & return after  
finalAnswer
   end repeat
   put the ticks-startTime into totalTicks
   answer totalTicks && finalAnswer && the number of lines in  
finalAnswer
end doIt

Did it in 2 ticks and found 23 words :)

Ro Nagey

Sorry if you get this 3 times - but I haven't received the ones sent  
earlier and am thinking something in there triggered spam detectors  
or something. :)


From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Wed Jul 20 14:51:32 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:51:32 -0400
Subject: NPR puzzle
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445EE@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

Hi Ro...

Would your script go faster if you used lineoffset rather than 'is not
in'? 

If lineoffset(anElement,Gorp) = 0 then...


I ask because I am not which method is faster in which circumstances.

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Ro Nagey
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 2:31 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: NPR puzzle

Here's my humble submission:

on doIt
   put the ticks into startTime
   put fld "element" into gorp
   repeat for each line l in fld "words"
     put "Yes" into myAnswer
     put  l  into myWord
     put myWord into daWord
     repeat 5 times
       put char 1 to 2 of daWord into anElement
       delete char 1 to 2 of daWord
       if anElement is not in gorp then
         put "No" into myAnswer
         exit repeat
       end if
     end repeat
     if myAnswer contains "Yes" then put myWord & return after  
finalAnswer
   end repeat
   put the ticks-startTime into totalTicks
   answer totalTicks && finalAnswer && the number of lines in  
finalAnswer
end doIt

Did it in 2 ticks and found 23 words :)

Ro Nagey

Apologies in advance if you get this twice - the first one got held  
up because it was too long
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From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Wed Jul 20 14:55:33 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:55:33 -0400
Subject: Unicode frustration
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445EF@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

Ah...

I have experimented with having unicode and non-unicode in the same field, but never made it work before! It always seems to do some weird stuff.

It would be a huge enormous pain in the posterior, but you could set it up so that the unicode equivalent of a given character is entered instead of the non-unicode character. I believe most characters have a unicode number.

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Brad Borch
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 2:46 PM
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Subject: Re: Unicode frustration

> Can you set the textfont of the field itself, rather than in the htmltext?
If I set the textfont, the non-unicode text changes.
If I actually select the text in the field and change the font via the 
menu, the text is converted to the single-byte characters (in other 
words, an ? is converted to ?, even though the font I've selected is a 
Unicode font (in this case, Bitstream Vera Sans).

> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Brad Borch
> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 1:28 PM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Unicode frustration
> 
> Ok, I'm befuddled. I'm not quite sure how Revolution handles unicode. I 
> have a field that lists all the fonts in my system. The Rev 
> documentation says:
> 
> "Revolution automatically sets the textFont of double-byte characters to 
> the appropriate Unicode font."
> 
> So if I set the htmltext of a field like so:
> 
> <font face="Bitstream Vera" lang="en-UC">????? ????????</font>
> 
> The first string of Greek characters is rendered as Greek, but the 
> second is rendered as Asian characters (I don't know which). Getting the 
> html text of the field after setting it to the above string yields this:
> 
> <p><font face="Bitstream Vera" 
> lang="en-UC">&#945;&#946;&#947;&#948;&#949;&#8195;&#46339;&#47875;&#47875;&#46339;&#48387;&#47363;&#47619;</font></p>
> 
> If I take out the space in the text I originally pasted, it renders the 
> entities correctly:
> 
> <p><font face="Bitstream Vera" 
> lang="en-UC">&#945;&#946;&#947;&#948;&#949;&#949;&#955;&#955;&#949;&#957;&#953;&#954;&#945;</font></p>
> 
> So there's some conversion going on inside Revolution to standardize the 
> html, but it looks like there's a bug in the process somewhere.
> 
> If I type or paste in Greek unicode characters, the htmltext gets 
> updated to reflect the text: paste in "????? ????????" and get the 
> htmltext, the font tag gets updated to include "lang="el"" (doesn't 
> matter what face it is, I guess it just uses whatever is the default 
> Unicode font.
> 
> What's happening here? How can I force Rev to use the Unicode text I 
> want it to use?
> 
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Jul 20 14:55:38 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:55:38 +0100
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <30A69236-86D6-4382-8A6D-378FE1F6DB39@gmail.com>
References: <20050720055704.048998248DF@mail.runrev.com>	<p06200704bf040fdd6b19@[69.85.136.57]>
	<30A69236-86D6-4382-8A6D-378FE1F6DB39@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42DE9E2A.4040403@tweedly.net>

Ro Nagey wrote:

> Here's my humble submission:
>
> on doIt
>   put the ticks into startTime
>   put fld "element" into gorp
>   repeat for each line l in fld "words"
>     put "Yes" into myAnswer
>     put  l  into myWord
>     put myWord into daWord
>     repeat 5 times
>       put char 1 to 2 of daWord into anElement
>       delete char 1 to 2 of daWord
>       if anElement is not in gorp then
>         put "No" into myAnswer
>         exit repeat
>       end if
>     end repeat
>     if myAnswer contains "Yes" then put myWord & return after  
> finalAnswer
>   end repeat
>   put the ticks-startTime into totalTicks
>   answer totalTicks && finalAnswer && the number of lines in  finalAnswer
> end doIt
>
> Did it in 2 ticks and found 23 words :)
>
Ro,
Just so we have comparable times - I converted it to report millisecs, 
and on my machine it takes 29 msec.

I made a couple of tweaks:
1  Changed
repeat for each line l in fld "words"
    ...
    put l into myWord
to  simply
   repeat for each line myWord in fld "words"
since l was not used anywhere else, and myWord was not changed.

2. moved the "delete char 1 to 2 of daWord" to after the if test (no 
need to delete them if you are about to exit the loop).

Those improved it to 20 msecs (which I think is the limit of resolution 
on my machine - the original was sometimes 28, sometimes 29, sometimes 
31 - now it is always 20.



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From aloharo at gmail.com  Wed Jul 20 15:00:50 2005
From: aloharo at gmail.com (Ro Nagey)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:00:50 +0100
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445EE@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445EE@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <53B1F695-8AF6-4702-A72C-B57E29B77726@gmail.com>

No - you way times out in 43-45 milliseconds -

Here's the latest version of my code - it comes in around 36-37  
milliseconds.

on doIt
   put the milliseconds into startTime
   put fld "element" into gorp
   put fld "words" into allwords
   repeat for each line l in allwords
     put "Y" into myAnswer
     put  l  into myWord
     put myWord into daWord
     repeat 5 times
       put char 1 to 2 of daWord into anElement
       delete char 1 to 2 of daWord
       if anElement is not in gorp then
       --If lineoffset(anElement,Gorp) = 0 then
         put empty into myAnswer
         exit repeat
       end if
     end repeat
     if myAnswer is "Y" then put myWord & return after finalAnswer
   end repeat
   put the milliseconds-startTime into totalTicks
   answer totalTicks && finalAnswer
end doIt


Ro Nagey

PS My spam filter is apparently censoring the mail I write ... feel  
free to insert whimsical observation here :)

On Jul 20, 2005, at 7:51 PM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:

> Hi Ro...
>
> Would your script go faster if you used lineoffset rather than 'is not
> in'?
>
> If lineoffset(anElement,Gorp) = 0 then...
>
>
> I ask because I am not which method is faster in which circumstances.
>



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Jul 20 15:09:02 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:09:02 -0700
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <42DE9A46.7080901@tweedly.net>
References: <20050720055704.048998248DF@mail.runrev.com>
	<p06200704bf040fdd6b19@[69.85.136.57]>
	<C93F099B-5BBA-4FF7-A676-A473C2A29D1A@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<473360241.20050720104618@ahsoftware.net>
	<42DE9A46.7080901@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <808324299.20050720120902@ahsoftware.net>

Alex-

Wednesday, July 20, 2005, 11:39:02 AM, you wrote:

AT> You're not using one of those underpowered, overpriced Apple machines
AT> are you ?
AT> Maybe if they switch to Intel they'll be faster <vbg>

<g> Not to worry - I tried this on an aging PII box. I'd try it again
on one of the macs, but I'm not really very interested in benchmarks
except as related to optimizing the code.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Wed Jul 20 15:09:24 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:09:24 -0400
Subject: NPR puzzle
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445F0@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

Interesting - so 'is not in' was actually faster than lineoffset! Is
that always the case?

What if you use this:

If matchtext(Gorp,AnElement) = false then...

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To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: NPR puzzle

No - you way times out in 43-45 milliseconds -

Here's the latest version of my code - it comes in around 36-37  
milliseconds.

on doIt
   put the milliseconds into startTime
   put fld "element" into gorp
   put fld "words" into allwords
   repeat for each line l in allwords
     put "Y" into myAnswer
     put  l  into myWord
     put myWord into daWord
     repeat 5 times
       put char 1 to 2 of daWord into anElement
       delete char 1 to 2 of daWord
       if anElement is not in gorp then
       --If lineoffset(anElement,Gorp) = 0 then
         put empty into myAnswer
         exit repeat
       end if
     end repeat
     if myAnswer is "Y" then put myWord & return after finalAnswer
   end repeat
   put the milliseconds-startTime into totalTicks
   answer totalTicks && finalAnswer
end doIt


Ro Nagey

PS My spam filter is apparently censoring the mail I write ... feel  
free to insert whimsical observation here :)

On Jul 20, 2005, at 7:51 PM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:

> Hi Ro...
>
> Would your script go faster if you used lineoffset rather than 'is not
> in'?
>
> If lineoffset(anElement,Gorp) = 0 then...
>
>
> I ask because I am not which method is faster in which circumstances.
>

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From brad at activadesign.com  Wed Jul 20 15:15:21 2005
From: brad at activadesign.com (Brad Borch)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:15:21 -0400
Subject: Unicode frustration
In-Reply-To: <dbm1f4$f54$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <dbm1f4$f54$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <dbm7oq$2di$1@sea.gmane.org>

Let me explain what I'm trying to do.

I need to build a tool that allows users to quickly enter Greek words. 
These people aren't terribly computer literate, so I've built a script 
that captures what the user types and replaces it with a Greek 
character. In other words, they don't have to switch keyboard encodings. 
In order to add accents, I have a menu that pops up when the user mouses 
over a letter that can be marked (accents, etc.). The user can select an 
accented version of that letter, and it gets pasted in.

This works perfectly on the Mac, but as soon as I run on a PC, the PC 
wants to render the text as Arial, which has a much smaller set of 
accented characters.

I'm assuming this has something to do with the fact that Rev 
automatically sets the textfont of Unicode characters. I think all I 
REALLY need to do is figure out how to force the text to be in Bitstream 
Vera Sans on the PC.

  > Ah...
> 
> I have experimented with having unicode and non-unicode in the same field, but never made it work before! It always seems to do some weird stuff.
> 
> It would be a huge enormous pain in the posterior, but you could set it up so that the unicode equivalent of a given character is entered instead of the non-unicode character. I believe most characters have a unicode number.
> 
> 
>>> Can you set the textfont of the field itself, rather than in the htmltext?
> 
> If I set the textfont, the non-unicode text changes.
> If I actually select the text in the field and change the font via the 
> menu, the text is converted to the single-byte characters (in other 
> words, an ? is converted to ?, even though the font I've selected is a 
> Unicode font (in this case, Bitstream Vera Sans).
> 
> 



From SimPLsol at aol.com  Wed Jul 20 15:16:32 2005
From: SimPLsol at aol.com (SimPLsol at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:16:32 EDT
Subject: Project Registry (was Ransomware)
Message-ID: <fe.17daa608.300ffd10@aol.com>

Dan,
Wow is the word! This has so much potential it is hard to underestimate it.

I think the escrow idea is essential (for all but the smallest projects). 
People who donate money (especially large contributions) should know that they 
will get it back if the project is not commenced or completed. Developers should 
know there is real money in the kitty before beginning work. I've 
incorporated the idea of "pledges" to give an idea of support for the request before any 
money at all is committed. A developer might begin work on pledges alone if 
there were enough from enough reputable people - but long projects require real 
money. For smaller projects the moderator can manage the escrow account, for 
larger projects there should be a third party escrow. Even with the original 
idea, the money must be stored somewhere.

There are countless other details to be resolved (for instance, what happens 
if contributions exceed expenses; everyone gets back a percentage of the 
excess?) but we can begin with a registry (or better name/description if you've got 
one).
Paul Looney


From aloharo at gmail.com  Wed Jul 20 15:24:23 2005
From: aloharo at gmail.com (Ro Nagey)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:24:23 +0100
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <42DE9E2A.4040403@tweedly.net>
References: <20050720055704.048998248DF@mail.runrev.com>	<p06200704bf040fdd6b19@[69.85.136.57]>
	<30A69236-86D6-4382-8A6D-378FE1F6DB39@gmail.com>
	<42DE9E2A.4040403@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <2AD79EF6-A617-441A-BDE4-972E516BAC90@gmail.com>

Interesting - I'm using a 1.67 GHz Powerbook and my best speed using  
your changes is in the low 30's - are Macs that much slower?

On this size, it doesn't seem to make any difference as to whether is  
' for each word myWord' or 'for each line myWord'

Ro Nagey

On Jul 20, 2005, at 7:55 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

>
> I made a couple of tweaks:
> 1  Changed
> repeat for each line l in fld "words"
>    ...
>    put l into myWord
> to  simply
>   repeat for each line myWord in fld "words"
> since l was not used anywhere else, and myWord was not changed.
>
> 2. moved the "delete char 1 to 2 of daWord" to after the if test  
> (no need to delete them if you are about to exit the loop).
>
> Those improved it to 20 msecs (which I think is the limit of  
> resolution on my machine - the original was sometimes 28, sometimes  
> 29, sometimes 31 - now it is always 20.
>
>



From douggilliland at gmail.com  Wed Jul 20 15:51:50 2005
From: douggilliland at gmail.com (Douglas Gilliland)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:51:50 -0400
Subject: Newbe Drag & Drop Question
In-Reply-To: <7E6D8261-A8CE-485C-A72D-67C9FC967CD0@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <890e3d260507200346210cc456@mail.gmail.com>
	<7E6D8261-A8CE-485C-A72D-67C9FC967CD0@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <890e3d26050720125169b3fbaa@mail.gmail.com>

Nicholas,
Worked like a dream! Thank you - you made my day.
And thanks to Eric also. While  Nicholas solved this problem, I did
download your stack and will spend some time studying it.
Again I appreciate all the help.
Doug Gilliland
Sarasota FL



On 7/20/05, Eric Chatonet <eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com> wrote:
> Hi Doug,
> 
> You are right, Rev needs a bit of scripting to handle drag an drop but it's
> a good thing since scripting allows to manage this feature precisely.
> You might be interested in a tutorial about drag and drop you can access
> trough Tutorials Picker.
> Tutorials Picker is available on Rev Online - user: So Smart Software.
> 
> Best Regards from Paris,
> 
> Eric Chatonet.
> 
> 
> Le 20 juil. 05 ? 12:46, Douglas Gilliland a ?crit :
> 
> 
> 
> I am writing a stack on Density for my students. I want them to drag a 
> 
> cube of iron on to an electronic balance to mass it. The script would 
> 
> change the display of the balance from 0.00 grams to thel mass of the 
> 
> iron sample. 
> 
> 
>  
> 
>  I have made the cube draggable by assigning it the following scipt: 
> 
> on mousedown 
> 
> drag me 
> 
> end mousedown 
> 
> That part works great. 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> I attempted to place a hidden button over the balance and use the 
> 
> dragenter message in a variety of ways but cannot get it to work. 
> 
> When I used HyperStudio the dragdrop function was built into the 
> 
> program so I didn't learn how to script it. 
> 
> Any advice for a Dreamcard newbe?
> 
>  
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From gefisher at mac.com  Wed Jul 20 15:52:50 2005
From: gefisher at mac.com (Glenn E. Fisher)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:52:50 -0500
Subject: NPR puzzle
Message-ID: <8425930f6dbe22c95c747155f706c649@mac.com>

Jim,

Here is my submission that ran in 70 milliseconds on my 5 1/2 year old 
G4 450 MHz tower:

   set cursor to watch
   put the milliseconds into t
   put fld "ChemSymbols" into c
   put fld "dictionary" into d
   repeat for each line L in d
     if c contains char 1 to 2 of L and c contains char 3 to 4 of L\
     and c contains char 5 to 6 of L and c contains char 7 to 8 of L\
     and c contains char 9 to 10 of L then
       put L & CR after o
     end if
   end repeat
   put the milliseconds -t into t
   put o into fld "Output"
   put "time=" & t && "msecs" after fld "Output"

Cheers,
Glenn

On Jul 20, 2005, at 3:40 PM, Jim Hurley wrote:

> For my fellow puzzle addicts:
>
> Here is this weeks NPR puzzle (Sunday Weekend edition)
>
> Sunday Puzzle
>
> By Will Shortz
>
>
> Challenge for July 24:
>
> A 10-letter word for a form of travel, that consists of five
> consecutive symbols of chemical elements. What is it? If automobile
> had been the answer, AU, would represent Gold, MO would represent
> Molybdenum, and BI, would represent Bismuth. Unfortunately, the
> remaining bigrams, TO and LE, are not chemical symbols.
>
>
> I have put up a stack with two fields. The first contains all 10
> letter words in my dictionary.
>
> The second contains all two character elements from the periodic
> table.
>
> You task, should you choose to adopt it, is to write a Run Rev
> handler to solve this weeks NPR puzzle defined above.
>
> In the message box:
>
> go stack url  "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/NPRpuzzle.rev"
>
> Jim
> __________________________
--
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22402 Diane Dr.	Spring, Tx 77373
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http://homepage.mac.com/gefisher


From ridge11103 at btinternet.com  Wed Jul 20 16:03:30 2005
From: ridge11103 at btinternet.com (John Ridge)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:03:30 +0100
Subject: Project Registry (was Ransomware)
In-Reply-To: <0FF5D924-257C-454B-BFB9-204EA0212E61@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <BF046CA2.4E35%ridge11103@btinternet.com>

Just to say that I find this thread really intriguing.

I am absolutely not a developer - but I love the sense of freedom that I
originally got from HyperCard, and now even more from Revolution. An awful
lot of that is thanks to you developers who contribute so much via this list
and other means - for me, Revolution would not be usable without you. I want
to put something back in exchange. Possibilities -

1. I could commission software, selfishly, for myself. Hmm... What do I need
that is that big? And anyway it sounds as if you guys are not exactly short
of projects...

2. I'm glad to see that there is a market for gadgets that enhance Rev -
that looks much better, in that I am able to (a) pay for things I value that
don't distract the RunRev team from work that only they can do, on
Transcript and the engine and (b) encourage smart people to develop similar
enhancements. Eric, I know you (and others) do this admirably and abundantly
for free - how many "donations" do you get? So help me to stop feeling
guilty! Hence

3. The current proposal (in one of its many forms) is surely what I want - I
have a chance to suggest or vote for tools or whatever that I would like (so
a bit of 1.), but while I don't bear the full cost (a virtue of 2.) my
contribution is not an optional extra...

Sounds good to me. Or have I missed something?

Best wishes
John



on 20/7/05 7:49 pm,  Dan Shafer wrote :

Wow.

I have to say that when I posted that first note a mere few hours
ago, I had no idea it would catch on and become a potentially real
project at all, let alone so rapidly.

I'm unsure about the escrow-management concept. It seems to me that
the original idea I posted from elsewhere that the developer sets a
fee level, begins development only when that level is reached, and
the money goes to charity if the level isn't reached is a much
simpler approach to administer. But I'm certainly neither the owner
of the solution nor the arbiter of such decisions. I just think it's
worth further debate.

dan





-- 




From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Jul 20 16:26:57 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:26:57 +0100
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445F0@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445F0@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <42DEB391.3050203@tweedly.net>

Lynch, Jonathan wrote:

>Interesting - so 'is not in' was actually faster than lineoffset! Is
>that always the case?
>
>What if you use this:
>
>If matchtext(Gorp,AnElement) = false then...
>  
>
I'd expect that to be slow - matchtext is going to invoke a general 
purpose regex handler - fast for what it does, but slow compared to 
simpler code that just does exact matches on strings.

It's unsurprising that "is not in" would be faster than "lineoffset"m 
because "is in" (or "is not in") can use string searching algorithms, 
which have been extensively studied and optimized, whereas lineoffset 
must either do
  - string search followed by a count of the number of cr's
or
  - loop through the lines, doing a string search within each.

Either way, the simple string search would normally be faster - but I 
wouldn't say "always" faster, there's bound to be some corner case where 
it isn't.

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From dwilk at globalnet.co.uk  Wed Jul 20 17:07:53 2005
From: dwilk at globalnet.co.uk (David Wilkinson)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:07:53 +0100
Subject: Invisible insertion point in field
In-Reply-To: <20050720170004.0FBFA824934@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050720170004.0FBFA824934@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <E1DvLnF-0003Hv-00@globalnet.co.uk>

On Wednesday 20 July 2005 6:00 pm, Jacqueline Landman Gay wrote:

> To lock/unlock a field you need to set three field properties:
> locktext, autohilite, traversalOn. The last two should be set to
> the opposite of the first one.

Unfortunately they are opposite

As a test, as a result of Jonathon's post, I created a new stack, 
dragged a table field onto it along with a ordinary one.  I grouped 
them, edited the group and dragged another single field into the 
group.  All was as expected - insertion point etc.

I also tried edting the group of the uploaded teststack and dragging 
a new field into the group.  This new field  had no insertion 
point.

That suggests some sort of inheritance issue, but I could not see any 
obvious differences between the properties in the group, card or 
stack of the two examples.  If the edit field is copied from the 
group and pasted onto the card, the insertion point then becomes 
visible.

BTW in order to get left mouse drag of the field, I only needed to 
set the locktext to true - those associated props do not appear to 
change when this is done.

Thanks for your rapid response.  The problem isn't critical but gives 
this table component an additional element of flakiness it could do 
without!

David 


From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Wed Jul 20 16:48:18 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:48:18 -0400
Subject: NPR puzzle
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445F1@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

I couldn't resist trying this out...

I get a small increase in speed by abandoning the inner loop, allowing
the script to just go to the next word when there is not a match. I am
running a bunch of other programs on my computer right now, so my speed
is compromised. Using Ro's script, I clocked at 75 milliseconds.
Modifying his script as shown below, I improved to 64 milliseconds:

on mouseUp
  put the milliseconds into M
  put fld "W" into W
  put fld "E" into E
  repeat for each line L in W
    if char 1 to 2 of L is not in E then
      next repeat
    else if char 3 to 4 of L is not in E then
      next repeat
    else if char 5 to 6 of L is not in E then
      next repeat
    else if char 7 to 8 of L is not in E then
      next repeat
    else if char 9 to 10 of L is not in E then
      next repeat
    end if
    put L & linefeed after F
  end repeat
  put the milliseconds-M into field "computation time"
  put F into field "output"
end mouseUp


-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Alex
Tweedly
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 4:27 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: NPR puzzle

Lynch, Jonathan wrote:

>Interesting - so 'is not in' was actually faster than lineoffset! Is
>that always the case?
>
>What if you use this:
>
>If matchtext(Gorp,AnElement) = false then...
>  
>
I'd expect that to be slow - matchtext is going to invoke a general 
purpose regex handler - fast for what it does, but slow compared to 
simpler code that just does exact matches on strings.

It's unsurprising that "is not in" would be faster than "lineoffset"m 
because "is in" (or "is not in") can use string searching algorithms, 
which have been extensively studied and optimized, whereas lineoffset 
must either do
  - string search followed by a count of the number of cr's
or
  - loop through the lines, doing a string search within each.

Either way, the simple string search would normally be faster - but I 
wouldn't say "always" faster, there's bound to be some corner case where

it isn't.

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From revdan at danshafer.com  Wed Jul 20 16:55:01 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 13:55:01 -0700
Subject: Project Registry (was Ransomware)
In-Reply-To: <fe.17daa608.300ffd10@aol.com>
References: <fe.17daa608.300ffd10@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BE0E2853-CF5D-4921-A7FD-A1EEAAA8F401@danshafer.com>

Paul....

I think the problem for me has come as this has escalated from a  
fairly simple approach to enabling someone who plans to develop and  
release open source/freeware to gauge the market before doing so,  
into a sort of commercial-grade bidding registry which, I agree,  
would require appropriate disposition of the proceeds of any deposits  
made on behalf of projects that never get off the ground.

Maybe there are two classes of project: free/opensource, and  
commercial, with slightly different rules and procedures for each?

Dan

On Jul 20, 2005, at 12:16 PM, SimPLsol at aol.com wrote:

> Dan,
> Wow is the word! This has so much potential it is hard to  
> underestimate it.
>
> I think the escrow idea is essential (for all but the smallest  
> projects).
> People who donate money (especially large contributions) should  
> know that they
> will get it back if the project is not commenced or completed.  
> Developers should
> know there is real money in the kitty before beginning work. I've
> incorporated the idea of "pledges" to give an idea of support for  
> the request before any
> money at all is committed. A developer might begin work on pledges  
> alone if
> there were enough from enough reputable people - but long projects  
> require real
> money. For smaller projects the moderator can manage the escrow  
> account, for
> larger projects there should be a third party escrow. Even with the  
> original
> idea, the money must be stored somewhere.
>
> There are countless other details to be resolved (for instance,  
> what happens
> if contributions exceed expenses; everyone gets back a percentage  
> of the
> excess?) but we can begin with a registry (or better name/ 
> description if you've got
> one).
> Paul Looney
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From jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr  Wed Jul 20 17:08:23 2005
From: jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 23:08:23 +0200
Subject: Project Registry (was Ransomware)
References: <fe.17daa608.300ffd10@aol.com>
	<BE0E2853-CF5D-4921-A7FD-A1EEAAA8F401@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <42DEBD3F.E4382F97@Club-Internet.fr>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ransomware



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed Jul 20 17:07:32 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 23:07:32 +0200
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445F1@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445F1@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <D56B6495-CBD5-4A0D-8E96-DF5458157AF0@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Jonathan,

You end up with my quick and dirty solution...
Just a word: else is not necessary in this case since you run a next  
repeat if the condition is verified ;-)

Le 20 juil. 05 ? 22:48, Lynch, Jonathan a ?crit :

> I get a small increase in speed by abandoning the inner loop, allowing
> the script to just go to the next word when there is not a match. I am
> running a bunch of other programs on my computer right now, so my  
> speed
> is compromised. Using Ro's script, I clocked at 75 milliseconds.
> Modifying his script as shown below, I improved to 64 milliseconds:
>
> on mouseUp
>   put the milliseconds into M
>   put fld "W" into W
>   put fld "E" into E
>   repeat for each line L in W
>     if char 1 to 2 of L is not in E then
>       next repeat
>     else if char 3 to 4 of L is not in E then
>       next repeat
>     else if char 5 to 6 of L is not in E then
>       next repeat
>     else if char 7 to 8 of L is not in E then
>       next repeat
>     else if char 9 to 10 of L is not in E then
>       next repeat
>     end if
>     put L & linefeed after F
>   end repeat
>   put the milliseconds-M into field "computation time"
>   put F into field "output"
> end mouseUp

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Wed Jul 20 17:12:35 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:12:35 -0400
Subject: NPR puzzle
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445F2@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

Funny...

I guess quick and dirty was quickest - was it dirtiest?

I might try playing with a switch control structure to see if that is faster, but in the past I have found if-then to be a little faster.


I tried conjoining the components of the if-then statements with a bunch of 'or's and also by using 'and' with 'is in' instead of 'is not in'...

In both cases, it was like 2 or 3 milliseconds slower than the spread-out version.

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Eric Chatonet
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 5:08 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: NPR puzzle

Hi Jonathan,

You end up with my quick and dirty solution...
Just a word: else is not necessary in this case since you run a next  
repeat if the condition is verified ;-)

Le 20 juil. 05 ? 22:48, Lynch, Jonathan a ?crit :

> I get a small increase in speed by abandoning the inner loop, allowing
> the script to just go to the next word when there is not a match. I am
> running a bunch of other programs on my computer right now, so my  
> speed
> is compromised. Using Ro's script, I clocked at 75 milliseconds.
> Modifying his script as shown below, I improved to 64 milliseconds:
>
> on mouseUp
>   put the milliseconds into M
>   put fld "W" into W
>   put fld "E" into E
>   repeat for each line L in W
>     if char 1 to 2 of L is not in E then
>       next repeat
>     else if char 3 to 4 of L is not in E then
>       next repeat
>     else if char 5 to 6 of L is not in E then
>       next repeat
>     else if char 7 to 8 of L is not in E then
>       next repeat
>     else if char 9 to 10 of L is not in E then
>       next repeat
>     end if
>     put L & linefeed after F
>   end repeat
>   put the milliseconds-M into field "computation time"
>   put F into field "output"
> end mouseUp

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Jul 20 17:18:09 2005
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:18:09 -0600
Subject: embed/install font
In-Reply-To: <dblnbq$c84$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <143.49471793.300f4375@aol.com> <dblnbq$c84$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <3A59B2BF-DCF8-4BA1-A381-6C3F5E2E6CC8@mangomultimedia.com>

On Jul 20, 2005, at 8:35 AM, Brad Borch wrote:

> Yes--my first post that began this thread references an earlier  
> thread "Own fontsuite with standalone?" I tried the EXT external,  
> but was unable to get the the PC executable to return any external  
> commands:
>
> set the externals of this stack to gStackPath & "/EXT.dll"
>   put the externalCommands of this stack into fld "fontTest2"
>   put the externals of this stack into fld "thisTest"
>   ext_loadFont (gStackPath & "/VeraMoBI.ttf")
>
> But I'm not proficient enough at Transcript yet to know where the  
> problem lies.

If you set the externals property of a stack while the stack is open  
then you need to do one of two things to load the external:

1) Set the destroyWindow property of the stack to true.  Close the  
stack window and open it again.

2) Remove the stack from memory.  Open it again.

Here is a snippet of code that will create a new stack, set the  
externals property and load the exteranl.  You can run this in the  
multiline message box:

create stack "MyStack"
set the destroyWindow of stack "MyStack" to true
set the externals of stack "MyStack" to "EnhancedWin.dll"
close stack "MyStack"
go stack "MyStack"
put the externalPackages of stack "MyStack"


-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Multimedia
trevor at mangomultimedia.com




From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed Jul 20 17:20:29 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 23:20:29 +0200
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445F2@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445F2@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <31D4B030-7CF4-4B4A-ACF8-C557B64D955F@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi again,

Right. This solution is not the dirtiest :-)
The reason is syntactic: the formulation gives up immediately if the  
first 2 chars do not match a symbol.

Le 20 juil. 05 ? 23:12, Lynch, Jonathan a ?crit :

> Funny...
>
> I guess quick and dirty was quickest - was it dirtiest?
>
> I might try playing with a switch control structure to see if that  
> is faster, but in the past I have found if-then to be a little faster.
>
>
> I tried conjoining the components of the if-then statements with a  
> bunch of 'or's and also by using 'and' with 'is in' instead of 'is  
> not in'...
>
> In both cases, it was like 2 or 3 milliseconds slower than the  
> spread-out version.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use- 
> revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Eric Chatonet
> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 5:08 PM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: NPR puzzle
>
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> You end up with my quick and dirty solution...
> Just a word: else is not necessary in this case since you run a next
> repeat if the condition is verified ;-)
>
> Le 20 juil. 05 ? 22:48, Lynch, Jonathan a ?crit :
>
>
>> I get a small increase in speed by abandoning the inner loop,  
>> allowing
>> the script to just go to the next word when there is not a match.  
>> I am
>> running a bunch of other programs on my computer right now, so my
>> speed
>> is compromised. Using Ro's script, I clocked at 75 milliseconds.
>> Modifying his script as shown below, I improved to 64 milliseconds:
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>   put the milliseconds into M
>>   put fld "W" into W
>>   put fld "E" into E
>>   repeat for each line L in W
>>     if char 1 to 2 of L is not in E then
>>       next repeat
>>     else if char 3 to 4 of L is not in E then
>>       next repeat
>>     else if char 5 to 6 of L is not in E then
>>       next repeat
>>     else if char 7 to 8 of L is not in E then
>>       next repeat
>>     else if char 9 to 10 of L is not in E then
>>       next repeat
>>     end if
>>     put L & linefeed after F
>>   end repeat
>>   put the milliseconds-M into field "computation time"
>>   put F into field "output"
>> end mouseUp


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Jul 20 17:27:25 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:27:25 -0700
Subject: Project Registry (was Ransomware)
In-Reply-To: <42DEBD3F.E4382F97@Club-Internet.fr>
References: <fe.17daa608.300ffd10@aol.com>
	<BE0E2853-CF5D-4921-A7FD-A1EEAAA8F401@danshafer.com>
	<42DEBD3F.E4382F97@Club-Internet.fr>
Message-ID: <10616627018.20050720142725@ahsoftware.net>

jbv-

Wednesday, July 20, 2005, 2:08:23 PM, you wrote:

j> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ransomware

!!!

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From revolution at derbrill.de  Wed Jul 20 17:41:30 2005
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 23:41:30 +0200
Subject: a maze-game stack?
In-Reply-To: <20050720205946.96C2E82490C@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <08A1C2E8-F967-11D9-BAD1-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>

Hi Nicolas,

if you like to use ArcadeEngine for a pacman like game here is a 
out-of-the-top-of-my head approach.

Generate a maze using graphics as walls. each wall a graphic 
(style=line).

Store the ID of the graphics in a custom property of the card e.g. 
allWalls , each ID on one line. (*)

in a send in time structure you could have the following collision test:

repeat for each line theWall in the allWalls of this card
   if intersect(button "myGameHero",grc ID theWall) then
     put line 1 of the points of grc ID theWall into startPoint
     put line 2 of the points of grc ID theWall into endPoint
     put the width of btn "myGameHero" into theRadius
     if circleLineSegmentCollide(startPoint,endPoint,the loc of btn 
"myGameHero",theRadius)=true then
       --collision has happened
     else
       --no collision has happened
     end if
   end if
  end repeat

This code snippet will check a collisions for all walls you have stored 
in the custom property. The fun part is that wall now don?t need to be 
right angled anymore, but can use any angle. :-)

If you want to go into detail just let me know. ;-) I?d like to help 
writing a nice game again.

Cheers,

Malte

(*)

If you have layed out your maze you could use a repeat loop to set the 
cProp

repeat with i=1 to the number of graphics
   put the ID of grc i&cr after theList
end repeat
delete char -1 of list
set the allWalls of this card to theList


From revdan at danshafer.com  Wed Jul 20 17:46:26 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:46:26 -0700
Subject: Project Registry (was Ransomware)
In-Reply-To: <10616627018.20050720142725@ahsoftware.net>
References: <fe.17daa608.300ffd10@aol.com>
	<BE0E2853-CF5D-4921-A7FD-A1EEAAA8F401@danshafer.com>
	<42DEBD3F.E4382F97@Club-Internet.fr>
	<10616627018.20050720142725@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <03246497-0843-4B5D-9646-28C19D468137@danshafer.com>

But if you follow the link in that article to slashdot, you get a  
more germane reference:

http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/02/11/23/2313213.shtml

Dan

On Jul 20, 2005, at 2:27 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> jbv-
>
> Wednesday, July 20, 2005, 2:08:23 PM, you wrote:
>
> j> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ransomware
>
> !!!
>
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
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From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Jul 20 17:51:45 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:51:45 +0100
Subject: Project Registry (was Ransomware)
In-Reply-To: <03246497-0843-4B5D-9646-28C19D468137@danshafer.com>
References: <fe.17daa608.300ffd10@aol.com>	<BE0E2853-CF5D-4921-A7FD-A1EEAAA8F401@danshafer.com>	<42DEBD3F.E4382F97@Club-Internet.fr>	<10616627018.20050720142725@ahsoftware.net>
	<03246497-0843-4B5D-9646-28C19D468137@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <42DEC771.8090000@tweedly.net>

Dan Shafer wrote:

> But if you follow the link in that article to slashdot, you get a  
> more germane reference:
>
> http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/02/11/23/2313213.shtml
>
I think that (sadly) the fact that this discussion was 18 months ago, 
and it hasn't taken off, suggests that there are enough difficulties 
involved to make the transition from "cool idea to discuss" to 
"completed project" a difficult one.

Doesn't mean it can't work within an active community (e.g. xtalk/Rev 
users), but it's not a hopeful sign ...

-- 
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Jul 20 17:56:49 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:56:49 -0700
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <42DE9E2A.4040403@tweedly.net>
References: <20050720055704.048998248DF@mail.runrev.com>
	<p06200704bf040fdd6b19@[69.85.136.57]>
	<30A69236-86D6-4382-8A6D-378FE1F6DB39@gmail.com>
	<42DE9E2A.4040403@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <5818391215.20050720145649@ahsoftware.net>

Alex-

Wednesday, July 20, 2005, 11:55:38 AM, you wrote:

AT> 2. moved the "delete char 1 to 2 of daWord" to after the if test (no
AT> need to delete them if you are about to exit the loop).

Interestingly, the "delete char 1 to 2" approach works slightly faster
than just moving the char pointer. I would have thought that the extra
overhead of deleting chars would be much slower. Apparently the
deletion is handled just by readjusting the start-of-line pointer.

Nonetheless, working from the end of the string ("char -2 to -1") in
the repeat statement and the deletion statement also shaves off a few
milliseconds.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jul 20 17:58:34 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:58:34 -0700
Subject: Project Registry (was Ransomware)
In-Reply-To: <42DEC771.8090000@tweedly.net>
References: <fe.17daa608.300ffd10@aol.com>	<BE0E2853-CF5D-4921-A7FD-A1EEAAA8F401@danshafer.com>	<42DEBD3F.E4382F97@Club-Internet.fr>	<10616627018.20050720142725@ahsoftware.net>	<03246497-0843-4B5D-9646-28C19D468137@danshafer.com>
	<42DEC771.8090000@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <42DEC90A.8090807@fourthworld.com>

None of this should be needed:  according to some open source advocates, 
all you have to do is release free software and suddenly your cost of 
living goes to zero.

;)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Wed Jul 20 18:01:23 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 08:01:23 +1000
Subject: Invisible insertion point in field
In-Reply-To: <E1DvEvz-0002yO-00@globalnet.co.uk>
References: <20050720055704.2ED1C8248E1@mail.runrev.com>
	<E1DvEvz-0002yO-00@globalnet.co.uk>
Message-ID: <52868481-F8DC-4CEA-A9C3-A43FA1680263@genesearch.com.au>

> I have uploaded an experimental table field stack to my user space
> (user227), which uses work by and ideas from Chipp Walters, Sarah
> Reichelt and Scott Rossi.  It has an edit field that sits on top
> of a  worksheet/grid field. The problem is that although you can
> enter text in the edit field, the insertion point is invisible. Does
> anyone know why this might be?
The usual cause for this is that the field is overlapped by part of a  
group. For some reason this makes the insertion point disappear. Try  
moving your edit field or bringing it to the front and see if that  
fixes it.
>
> As a side question, is there any reason why Rev should set the
> vscroll of this field to 4?
Would that be because of the margins? I haven't tested this, but try  
setting the margins to 0 and then checking the vscroll.

HTH,
Sarah



From see3d at writeme.com  Wed Jul 20 18:05:25 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:05:25 -0400
Subject: Project Registry (was Ransomware)
In-Reply-To: <03246497-0843-4B5D-9646-28C19D468137@danshafer.com>
References: <fe.17daa608.300ffd10@aol.com>
	<BE0E2853-CF5D-4921-A7FD-A1EEAAA8F401@danshafer.com>
	<42DEBD3F.E4382F97@Club-Internet.fr>
	<10616627018.20050720142725@ahsoftware.net>
	<03246497-0843-4B5D-9646-28C19D468137@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <804FF9B3-AD8C-4713-8DBC-F1ECA23AE523@writeme.com>

It looks to me like the basic idea of ransomware is that the  
developer takes a risk in writing the software, and puts a ransom  
price on releasing it to the public domain or a date in the future  
for release if the ransom is not met before then.  He can get his  
ransom through sales or donations.
No third parties are involved or needed in this case (except for a  
channel to pay through to make the ransom accounting legit).

However, what we have been discussing is not then technically  
ransomware.

I like what we have been discussing better --at least the version  
where a third party holds the cash up front while the app is being  
written.  That way the developer does not have to take a risk on the  
vagaries of the marketplace so his price can reflect the lower risk.   
I think it also suits the intended audience of users of Rev tools  
better.  The author also wins in that he/she gets a new tool also.   
The last two tools announced could possibly have fit into this model  
(as big projects).

Dennis

On Jul 20, 2005, at 5:46 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:

> But if you follow the link in that article to slashdot, you get a  
> more germane reference:
>
> http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/02/11/23/2313213.shtml
>
> Dan


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Jul 20 18:09:56 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:09:56 -0700
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <473360241.20050720104618@ahsoftware.net>
References: <20050720055704.048998248DF@mail.runrev.com>
	<p06200704bf040fdd6b19@[69.85.136.57]>
	<C93F099B-5BBA-4FF7-A676-A473C2A29D1A@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<473360241.20050720104618@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4819177806.20050720150956@ahsoftware.net>

This also answers the puzzle:

List all the 10-letter words you can make using the two-letter symbols
for the chemical elements.

And even though "alliterate" is among the answers, there are no
two-letter symbols that use the same letter twice.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Jul 20 18:14:58 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:14:58 -0700
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <p06200704bf040fdd6b19@[69\.85\.136\.57]>
References: <20050720055704.048998248DF@mail.runrev.com>
	<p06200704bf040fdd6b19@[69.85.136.57]>
Message-ID: <11419480671.20050720151458@ahsoftware.net>

Jim-

I think your list of 10-letter words is somewhat incomplete, even if
it does contain the correct answer. For example, it contains
"zoological" but not "zoologists".

Further work is probably needed to extract, e.g., the nine-letter
words which can be pluralized by adding just an "s". And seven-letter
words which can be adverbed by adding "ly". And words that can be made
into professions by adding "er" or just "r".

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Wed Jul 20 18:12:58 2005
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:12:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <C93F099B-5BBA-4FF7-A676-A473C2A29D1A@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507201512470.4327-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

of which only helicopter is a mode of transportation?

Judy

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi Jim,
>
> Quick and dirty :-)
>
> alcoholism
> alliterate
> articulate
> ceremonial
> condescend
> cuirassier
> fraternise
> generalise
> helicopter
> homogenise
> inaccurate
> liberalism
> liberalise
> monopolise
> palatalise
> palatinate
> regenerate
> reticulate
> scarlatina
> scrutineer
> scrutinise
> separatism
> thereunder
>
> 30 milliseconds
>
> Le 20 juil. 05 ? 16:40, Jim Hurley a ?crit :
>
> > Challenge for July 24:
> >
> > A 10-letter word for a form of travel, that consists of five
> > consecutive symbols of chemical elements. What is it? If automobile
> > had been the answer, AU, would represent Gold, MO would represent
> > Molybdenum, and BI, would represent Bismuth. Unfortunately, the
> > remaining bigrams, TO and LE, are not chemical symbols.
>
>
> Best Regards from Paris,
>
> Eric Chatonet.
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Wed Jul 20 18:18:13 2005
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:18:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <4819177806.20050720150956@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507201517480.4327-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Funny, that would have been my solution, as well...

Judy
(catching up on email)

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, Mark Wieder wrote:

> This also answers the puzzle:
>
> List all the 10-letter words you can make using the two-letter symbols
> for the chemical elements.



From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Jul 20 18:18:47 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 23:18:47 +0100
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507201512470.4327-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507201512470.4327-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <42DECDC7.5010003@tweedly.net>

Judy Perry wrote:

>of which only helicopter is a mode of transportation?
>
>  
>
Yeah - teaching it the meaning of all the 10-letter words, far less 
enough semantic context to generalize the possible meanings of 
"transportation",  couldn't be done within the 50 millisec time limit :-)

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From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Wed Jul 20 18:26:37 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 08:26:37 +1000
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <p06200704bf040fdd6b19@[69.85.136.57]>
References: <20050720055704.048998248DF@mail.runrev.com>
	<p06200704bf040fdd6b19@[69.85.136.57]>
Message-ID: <BABB1D82-93B2-4C3D-BBD8-E5085966E73D@genesearch.com.au>

> A 10-letter word for a form of travel, that consists of five  
> consecutive symbols of chemical elements. What is it? If automobile  
> had been the answer, AU, would represent Gold, MO would represent  
> Molybdenum, and BI, would represent Bismuth. Unfortunately, the  
> remaining bigrams, TO and LE, are not chemical symbols.
>
>
> I have put up a stack with two fields. The first contains all 10  
> letter words in my dictionary.
>
> The second contains all two character elements from the periodic  
> table.
>
> You task, should you choose to adopt it, is to write a Run Rev  
> handler to solve this weeks NPR puzzle defined above.
>

Before reading everyone else's solutions, I had a go and came up with  
more or less the same script as anyone else. What intrigues me is  
that there would appear to be 2 ways of tackling this problem and  
everyone chose basically the same one.

You can either go through the word list and see if any match the  
elements, or you could go through the element list, making  
combinations and matching them to the words. I discarded this idea  
because the maths involved in working out all the permutations &  
combinations has long since flowed out of my brain, but I wonder if  
anyone else thought of using this method? Instinctively I feel it  
would take longer, but there are 3620 words and only 97 elements.

Thanks for the puzzle Jim, just what I needed to get the brain moving  
first thing in the morning!

Sarah



From revdan at danshafer.com  Wed Jul 20 18:29:08 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:29:08 -0700
Subject: Project Registry (was Ransomware)
In-Reply-To: <42DEC90A.8090807@fourthworld.com>
References: <fe.17daa608.300ffd10@aol.com>	<BE0E2853-CF5D-4921-A7FD-A1EEAAA8F401@danshafer.com>	<42DEBD3F.E4382F97@Club-Internet.fr>	<10616627018.20050720142725@ahsoftware.net>	<03246497-0843-4B5D-9646-28C19D468137@danshafer.com>
	<42DEC771.8090000@tweedly.net> <42DEC90A.8090807@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <B322D5F5-C0C1-4D51-BE8B-4E0283FDFEBF@danshafer.com>

Damn, I *knew* I was doing something wrong.

You have to *release* the stuff, eh?

Go figure.

:-D

Dan

On Jul 20, 2005, at 2:58 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> None of this should be needed:  according to some open source  
> advocates, all you have to do is release free software and suddenly  
> your cost of living goes to zero.
>
> ;)
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal
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From nicolas_cueto at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 20 18:34:02 2005
From: nicolas_cueto at yahoo.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 07:34:02 +0900
Subject: a maze-game stack?
References: <08A1C2E8-F967-11D9-BAD1-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <00f901c58d7b$2229dd70$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>

> If you want to go into detail just let me know. ;-) I?d like to help
> writing a nice game again.

Thanks Malte.

Excuse me while I just grab my drink there and
carry both it and this discussion on over to the AE
forums....

--
Nicolas Cueto



From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Wed Jul 20 18:35:40 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 08:35:40 +1000
Subject: newbie-menubar problems
In-Reply-To: <60.59c28686.300fd618@aol.com>
References: <60.59c28686.300fd618@aol.com>
Message-ID: <773AFBB6-74FC-4D6C-AE06-8CC972B7F4F4@genesearch.com.au>

Hi Joe,

I see are using Mac OS X. Rev does weird things with menus in OS X to  
try and make them fit into Apple's guidelines. Mostly this works very  
well but you have to know what's happened. In the Rev Help menu, go  
to Topics and read the section titled "Menus & the menu bar". This  
gives lots of info about menus in general and what is different about  
OS X menus.

> Problem 1: In order for all my menus columns to appear I need to  
> have a
> "phantom" help menu on the end that I don't want.
Sorry, this seems to be obligatory. The Help menu also needs to  
contain your About menu item which will actually appear in the  
application menu 2nd from the left.
>
> Problem 2: I want to add "Select All/A" to the edit menu and it  
> won't let me
> add anything after the traditional cut, copy, paste, clear. What  
> stupid trap
> did I fall into?
I guess you don't have a Preferences menu item? The last 2 items of  
the Edit menu (normally a divider and Preferences) are chopped off  
and the Preferences menu item is access through the application menu.  
Even if the last 2 items are not a divider and Preferences, they will  
still be removed from the Edit menu. Put them in and you'll be able  
to add whatever you want above them.

Similarly, the last 2 items of the File menu are removed. These  
should be a divider & Quit. This can be a problem if you only have a  
Quit item in this menu as it then appears empty which is most  
disconcerting for the user. I always make sure I put something as  
well as Quit in the File menu, even if it is only replicating a  
button click.

HTH,
Sarah



From jhurley at infostations.com  Wed Jul 20 18:42:55 2005
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:42:55 -0700
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <20050720205946.5A965824914@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050720205946.5A965824914@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p0620070abf04720f6ece@[69.85.136.57]>

>
>Message: 10
>Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:52:50 -0500
>From: "Glenn E. Fisher" <gefisher at mac.com>
>Subject: Re: NPR puzzle
>To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>Message-ID: <8425930f6dbe22c95c747155f706c649 at mac.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=US-ASCII;	format=flowed
>
>Jim,
>
>Here is my submission that ran in 70 milliseconds on my 5 1/2 year old
>G4 450 MHz tower:
>
>    set cursor to watch
>    put the milliseconds into t
>    put fld "ChemSymbols" into c
>    put fld "dictionary" into d
>    repeat for each line L in d
>      if c contains char 1 to 2 of L and c contains char 3 to 4 of L\
>      and c contains char 5 to 6 of L and c contains char 7 to 8 of L\
>      and c contains char 9 to 10 of L then
>        put L & CR after o
>      end if
>    end repeat
>    put the milliseconds -t into t
>    put o into fld "Output"
>    put "time=" & t && "msecs" after fld "Output"
>
>Cheers,
>Glenn


Glenn,

Great solution!

At first I thought it would be slower than the one that most of us 
opted for, i.e. test each condition sequentially and if the test 
fails at any level go on with a "next repeat".

I thought RR would test all the conditionals in your handler (in 
...and ... and...) before moving on to the next repeat, but Scott 
Raney was too smart for that. Apparently, at the point where the 
"and" test fails, RR  decides there is no point in proceeding with 
the others, so...... next repeat.

The speed is about the same for either method.

Jim

P.S. If you submit your solution to NPR and your name is drawm, you 
are in danger of being called on Sunday for another test of wits. My 
mind works too slowly for this kind of exposure.




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Jul 20 18:48:01 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:48:01 -0700
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507201512470.4327-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507201512470.4327-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <14421463122.20050720154801@ahsoftware.net>

Judy-

Wednesday, July 20, 2005, 3:12:58 PM, you wrote:

JP> of which only helicopter is a mode of transportation?

...possibly alcoholism...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Wed Jul 20 18:49:40 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:49:40 -0400
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <BABB1D82-93B2-4C3D-BBD8-E5085966E73D@genesearch.com.au>
References: <20050720055704.048998248DF@mail.runrev.com>
	<p06200704bf040fdd6b19@[69.85.136.57]>
	<BABB1D82-93B2-4C3D-BBD8-E5085966E73D@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <76AD60F3-0FD1-4107-AE55-8466A18A7FCC@conncoll.edu>


On Jul 20, 2005, at 6:26 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> You can either go through the word list and see if any match the  
> elements, or you could go through the element list, making  
> combinations and matching them to the words. I discarded this idea  
> because the maths involved in working out all the permutations &  
> combinations has long since flowed out of my brain, but I wonder if  
> anyone else thought of using this method? Instinctively I feel it  
> would take longer, but there are 3620 words and only 97 elements.

If I remember right, that would be 97! / 5! x (97-5)!. And that -- if  
I'm *also* getting the arithmetic right -- would mean 64,446,024 ten- 
letter words to check. Looks like everyone's instinct to go the other  
way was sound.


Charles Hartman
Professor of English, Poet in Residence
Connecticut College
charles.hartman at conncoll.edu
*the Scandroid* is at cherry.conncoll.edu/cohar/Programs.htm




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Jul 20 19:10:04 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:10:04 -0700
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <11419480671.20050720151458@ahsoftware.net>
References: <20050720055704.048998248DF@mail.runrev.com>
	<p06200704bf040fdd6b19@[69.85.136.57]>
	<11419480671.20050720151458@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <19422786355.20050720161004@ahsoftware.net>

MW> Jim-

MW> I think your list of 10-letter words is somewhat incomplete, even if

...and there's no "cohabitate". Or "chocolates". Or "postmortem". Or
"associates".

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jhurley at infostations.com  Wed Jul 20 19:13:16 2005
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:13:16 -0700
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <20050720222801.3957E82490E@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050720222801.3957E82490E@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p0620070bbf0484c9d278@[69.85.136.57]>

>
>Message: 12
>Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:09:56 -0700
>From: Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>
>Subject: Re: NPR puzzle
>To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>Message-ID: <4819177806.20050720150956 at ahsoftware.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>This also answers the puzzle:
>
>List all the 10-letter words you can make using the two-letter symbols
>for the chemical elements.
>
>And even though "alliterate" is among the answers, there are no
>two-letter symbols that use the same letter twice.


Mark,

The *successive* pairs for "alliterate " are al-li-te-ra-te.

>
>
>I think your list of 10-letter words is somewhat incomplete, even if
>it does contain the correct answer. For example, it contains
>"zoological" but not "zoologists".


Right. I need a new dictionary. I have a problem with dictionaries. 
My larger (160,000 word) dictionary has plurasl but it also has a 
great many bizarre words. A search for words compatible with

a***h

where * is a wildcard, yields

abash
airth
aitch
aleph
Allah
almah
almeh
apish
awash
azoth

My smaller dictionary yields a more reasonable list:

abash
aitch
Allah
apish
awash

but this dictionary has no plurals.  What I need is a dictionary 
which has only the words I want. :)

Jim


From SimPLsol at aol.com  Wed Jul 20 19:23:59 2005
From: SimPLsol at aol.com (SimPLsol at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:23:59 EDT
Subject: Project Registry (was Ransomware)
Message-ID: <1e6.401a3a60.3010370f@aol.com>

Dan,
     Between your letter and this reply, Dennis wrote a better answer than I 
could have. Yes, we are talking about something beyond Ransomeware.
     I think you and I are looking at this from two different perspectives - 
which is good. You are looking out for the developer's interests, I am looking 
at this as an investor. From an investor's perspective ransomeware has 
problems:
     1. Any money you put into it is gone. You may or may not get your 
product. You may or may not like the charity to which you have donated. You have no 
chance to reinvest the money in another product - or the same product with a 
different developer.
     2. There is no mechanism (e.g., a moderator) to make the inevitable 
adjustments that occur in any sizable project.
     3. Not only is there no escrow, there is no real money. This makes it 
hard to encourage serious developers.
     4. The ransom model seems to be geared toward helping developers with 
ideas find investors. This is good. But the escrow model equally encourages 
investors to find developers for their ideas.

     The escrow model IS more complicated but the structure benefits everyone 
on both sides of the process - and it scales much better than the ransom 
model, accommodating all but the largest and most complicated projects.
     The end product from the escrow model can be either open source or 
commercial - this must be disclosed at the beginning of any request. Ransomeware 
does not (as I view it) lend itself to commercial products.

     Both methods need a Registry (or some other means of communication 
between investors and developers). I have pledged $100 to start building this 
registry. Since there is no registry until the registry is built, I volunteer to 
keep a list of pledges and will find a trusted third party to hold actual funds 
if we get that far in this experiment.
Paul Looney
     


From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Jul 20 19:40:57 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 00:40:57 +0100
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <76AD60F3-0FD1-4107-AE55-8466A18A7FCC@conncoll.edu>
References: <20050720055704.048998248DF@mail.runrev.com>	<p06200704bf040fdd6b19@[69.85.136.57]>	<BABB1D82-93B2-4C3D-BBD8-E5085966E73D@genesearch.com.au>
	<76AD60F3-0FD1-4107-AE55-8466A18A7FCC@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <42DEE109.4000905@tweedly.net>

Charles Hartman wrote:

>
> On Jul 20, 2005, at 6:26 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>
>> You can either go through the word list and see if any match the  
>> elements, or you could go through the element list, making  
>> combinations and matching them to the words. I discarded this idea  
>> because the maths involved in working out all the permutations &  
>> combinations has long since flowed out of my brain, but I wonder if  
>> anyone else thought of using this method? Instinctively I feel it  
>> would take longer, but there are 3620 words and only 97 elements.
>
>
> If I remember right, that would be 97! / 5! x (97-5)!. And that -- if  
> I'm *also* getting the arithmetic right -- would mean 64,446,024 ten- 
> letter words to check. Looks like everyone's instinct to go the other  
> way was sound.
>
No, they're not "combinations" - there's nothing to say you can't use 
the same symbol more than once in a word (in fact, some of the words 
do), so the number of words to check is simply 97 ^ 5 = 8,587,340,257

Yes, I did think of doing it that way. I also, just for the heck of it 
thought of forming a monster regex
    "[Al|Ar|.....|Zr][Al| ...Zr]..."
and seeing what that did - but neither of them seemed very likely, so I 
didn't try them.

-- 
Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net



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From tominjapan at excite.com  Wed Jul 20 20:39:47 2005
From: tominjapan at excite.com (Thomas McCarthy)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:39:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Unicode frustration
Message-ID: <20050721003947.81CB4B9A2@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com>


Hear hear! frustration!
Here are some of the problems (in addition to yours) that I've encountered.

Words are not wrapped properly. This may be that the space char is not being properly read as the word delimiter.

I was going to type more, but gotta run!
tm

_______________________________________________
Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com
The most personalized portal on the Web!




From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Wed Jul 20 20:51:51 2005
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:51:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <14421463122.20050720154801@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507201751350.7722-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>



On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Judy-
>
> Wednesday, July 20, 2005, 3:12:58 PM, you wrote:
>
> JP> of which only helicopter is a mode of transportation?
>
> ...possibly alcoholism...
>
;-)




From charlessilverman at sympatico.ca  Wed Jul 20 20:54:38 2005
From: charlessilverman at sympatico.ca (Charles Silverman)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:54:38 -0400
Subject: HTMLtext problem
Message-ID: <405F408D-CDB2-4275-B20A-9565A63F7E49@sympatico.ca>

I need to get an accurate record of the text styles within a field  
but htmlText doesn't seem to report everything.

If "This is a test" is entered into a field without any changes, I  
get...

                 <p>this is a test</p>

Font, size, style and color information is not reported.


It seems that I have to change the font, size, color and style of  
some selected text within the field to something other than the  
default settings to get the additional style information. For  
example, once I've made these changes, the following now gets reported:

         <p><font face="Arial Black" size="14"  
color="#FF0000"><u>this is a test</u></font></p>

Is there a simpler way to get this to happen?

Thanks!
Charles

_______________
Charles Silverman
www.captionweb.ca



From rishi at puredata.com.au  Wed Jul 20 21:28:02 2005
From: rishi at puredata.com.au (Rishi Viner)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:28:02 +1000
Subject: Question for Linux Users:
Message-ID: <200507211128.03003.rishi@puredata.com.au>

Linux users,

What distro do you find works best with Rev?

Do you find it works better with a KDE or GNOME desktop?

I'm getting a lot of annoying things happening like:
-cut/copy/paste just doesn't work 
-keyboard interaction in Rev is sometimes flaky (eg sometimes when writing 
scripts the enter key stops working, so you can't get a new line).

So I was wondering if there are Linux users out there who are having a 
perfect/smooth/functional experience with Rev and if so, what environment 
they are in that seems to keep it all nice. 

Thanks!

-- 
Rishi Viner
PUREDATA
Australia

www.puredata.com.au


From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Wed Jul 20 22:50:41 2005
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:50:41 -0500
Subject: HTMLtext problem
In-Reply-To: <405F408D-CDB2-4275-B20A-9565A63F7E49@sympatico.ca>
References: <405F408D-CDB2-4275-B20A-9565A63F7E49@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <42DF0D81.2080405@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Charles Silverman wrote:
> Is there a simpler way to get this to happen?

Check out my stack HTMLtoCSS on RevOnline or my web site.  The 
mini-editor will show you how you can take care of that little issue.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
_______________________________________________
Compress Photos for the Web with JPEGCompress
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/



From mdswindell at charter.net  Wed Jul 20 23:34:22 2005
From: mdswindell at charter.net (Mark Swindell)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:34:22 -0700
Subject: openstack 101
In-Reply-To: <42DDE098.3040107@chipp.com>
References: <A73C0902-5930-43E2-9D8B-D140CD8750AD@santacruz.k12.ca.us>
	<42DDDD24.6060404@chipp.com> <42DDE098.3040107@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <50DAAFE3-E13B-431F-A892-86011622D4CA@charter.net>

Thanks for your help.  Also, thank  you Sarah and Nicolas.  It seems  
odd though that the openstack handler isn't called automatically when  
the new stack window first comes up, no matter where it is being  
opened from.
Mark

On Jul 19, 2005, at 10:26 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> oops, I accidently deleted the 'first part' ;-)
>
> Chipp Walters wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>> Here's what I would do:
>> First, I would put an 'on OpenStack' handler in the first card  
>> script of the stack.
>>
>
> on openStack
>   breakpoint
>   beep
> end openStack
>
>
>> then save it, close Rev, open Rev, choose the browse tool, and  
>> open your stack. See if the debugger gets called. If not, then I  
>> would suspect there's an openStack handler in a frontScript  
>> somewhere which isn't getting passed.
>>


From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Jul 21 01:31:15 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 00:31:15 -0500
Subject: HTMLtext problem
In-Reply-To: <405F408D-CDB2-4275-B20A-9565A63F7E49@sympatico.ca>
References: <405F408D-CDB2-4275-B20A-9565A63F7E49@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <42DF3323.5000607@chipp.com>

Hi Charles,

Check out the effective font, effective size, effective color.

-Chipp


From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Jul 21 01:41:05 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 00:41:05 -0500
Subject: Invisible insertion point in field
In-Reply-To: <E1DvEvz-0002yO-00@globalnet.co.uk>
References: <20050720055704.2ED1C8248E1@mail.runrev.com>
	<E1DvEvz-0002yO-00@globalnet.co.uk>
Message-ID: <42DF3571.7000401@chipp.com>

David,

I've seen this happen if a fld is 'overlapped' by any part of a group.

-Chipp


From b.xavier at internet.lu  Thu Jul 21 01:44:09 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 07:44:09 +0200
Subject: going nuts again
In-Reply-To: <20050720164822.9B8C58247C0@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20050721053506.86D56824913@mail.runrev.com>

Bad news Scott,

it seems to work at first... I resized all my patterns
to be sized as multiples of 8 and squared for the Square Mac patterns
handler
and the control still misbehaves!!!

grrrrr

;(

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of MisterX
> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 18:57
> To: 'How to use Revolution'
> Subject: RE: going nuts again
> 
> 
> Scott, my hero!!!
> 
> Indeed my patterns was 41 pixels in height!!!!
> 
> Darn primitive earth tech! ;)
> Where's the freedom of expression in that i wonder?
> 
> so many patterns, so many that are rev or mac incompatible 
> "by design"!
> pfff - If the web was restricted so... woah...
> 
> Im sure Rev will conquer this problem soon or later but 
> meanwhile, One more error detector to write...
> 
> Thanks again Scott!
> 
> cheers
> Xavier
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> > [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Scott 
> > Rossi
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 18:27
> > To: x at monsieurx.com, How to use Revolution
> > Subject: Re: going nuts again
> > 
> > Recently, MisterX  wrote:
> > 
> > > not long ago, actually centuries ago (naturally, i 
> couldn't find it 
> > > anymore despite being sure i entered it - and i doubt it 
> is easily 
> > > replicatable - and i dont have time to rebugzilla it), i posted a 
> > > problem with some images not refreshing correctly irrespective of 
> > > where the image was.
> > > 
> > > In this case, im using buttons as patterned objects. And
> > since groups
> > > can't be set opaque reliably either on WinXP compared to
> > W2K, again a
> > > button for bg pattern. hummmm...
> > 
> > This is amusing, I never even knew you could set a background to be 
> > opaque.
> > The behavior seems a bit unusual though (here on OSX) in that even 
> > though it looks opaque, it doesn't catch mouse clicks.
> > 
> > 
> > > First observation is that changing a backpattern doesn't always 
> > > refresh - sometimes it's just black (try to flip the 
> pattern image 
> > > horizontally and see that happens to your buttons' 
> patterns after).
> > > 
> > > Since these are all cloned objects, often is the case that
> > one or the
> > > other button patterns start to act up on their own despite their 
> > > properties. Some display a black 2 pixel border (no 
> border is show 
> > > though), others don't even show their patterns or only do so when 
> > > clicked! In another case, each time i display this window
> > with patterns, a patterns shows or doesn't...
> > 
> > Isn't it still that case that images used as repeating 
> patterns must 
> > be multiples of specific sizes?  "To be used on Windows and Unix 
> > systems, height and width must be divisible by 8." Could 
> this be the 
> > problem, that you're using images of incorrect dimensions?
> > 
> > The only artifact I've noticed recently is that scaling an image 
> > vertically with transparency on its right side will produce 
> a single 
> > black pixel line on the outside edge.
> > 
> > 
> > > All images are buffered naturally... Sometime a simple 
> click on the 
> > > button will restore the image! WTF?
> > > 
> > > This is a time waste each time it happens. You just can't
> > fix anything
> > > on these buttons. Happens mostly on buttons but on menus
> > too. So you
> > > have to redo one from scratch!
> > > 
> > > Any ideas or fixes?
> > 
> > Have the images been created in Rev?  If not, did you try using the 
> > "cursor fix" technique of clicking on them with one of the 
> paint tools 
> > to convert to "native" Rev format?
> > 
> > Maybe trying another object?  Does the object in the group 
> need to be 
> > a button?  How about a graphic?
> > 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Scott Rossi
> > Creative Director
> > Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
> > -----
> > E: scott at tactilemedia.com
> > W: http://www.tactilemedia.com
> > 
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From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Jul 21 01:51:22 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 00:51:22 -0500
Subject: OT Javascripting <g>
Message-ID: <42DF37DA.508@chipp.com>

So, I spent over an hour today trying to write this simple bit of 
javascript. The idea is to have a field on a web page, which when one 
enters a string and submits, will check the string and 'go someplace' 
based upon what it finds.

If anyone is interested, I finally came up with the following below.

See if you can figure out why when I remove the document.write
statements, the code below quits working.

But, the real reason for this post is (in Scott Rossi's familiar rhetoric):

**OMG WTF!!!**

How obtuse is this anyway? Geez, I'm so glad I don't have to program in 
that awkward stupid language! I mean, this should be a no brainer, but I 
need to do things like "document.write(' ');" (null doesn't work) just 
to grab the focus back to the window! And "window.location.replace(...) 
instead of just "window.location" in order to cache the history correctly.

Thank God I for Transcript!

-Chipp

<script>
function checkURL(obj) {
switch( obj.value )
   {
   case 'Chipp':
     document.write(' ');
     window.location.replace('http://www.chipp.com');
     break;
   case 'IBM':
     document.write(' ');  window.location.replace('http://www.ibm.com');
     break;
   default:
     window.location = 'http://www.altuit.com';
   }
}
</script>

<form name="cLogin" onSubmit="checkURL(this.tVal)">
<font color="white">Client&nbsp;Login:&nbsp;</font>
<input type="text" size="16" name="tVal" style="font-size: 8pt">&nbsp;
</form>


From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Jul 21 01:56:31 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 00:56:31 -0500
Subject: going nuts again
In-Reply-To: <20050721053506.86D56824913@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050721053506.86D56824913@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <42DF390F.6060803@chipp.com>

Hi X,

I think you need the following:

on idle
   reset all the background of all the buttons to what they should be
end idle

:-)

Seriously,
Here's how I'd approach it:

Step 1: Can I programatically 'reset' the backgrounds by:

set the backgroundPattern of btn "myButt" to ""
set the backgroundPattern of btn "myButt" to img "moon"

or if that doesn't work try setting the bgPattern to one texture, then 
the other, then back to the first. See if toggling it in this manner 
doesn't provide results. Try inserting a 'set alwaysBuffer to false' 
then back to true in-between. Just some ideas.

Step 2: If you can 'force' a reset programatically, then you may need to 
fire a handler every so often to check.

best,

Chipp


From xbury.cs at clearstream.com  Thu Jul 21 03:33:52 2005
From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:33:52 +0200
Subject: going nuts again
In-Reply-To: <42DF390F.6060803@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <OFF40EB1A2.284801DB-ONC1257045.002830EA-C1257045.00297749@deutsche-boerse.com>

Thanks Chipp,

I'll give it an idle try ;)

Is this a problem only on windoze or Mac also? Now, i can confirm it also 
happens on win2000, XP and 2003!

After deleting the images, deleting the buttons, recreating the buttons, 
the images (to revspec)
reimporting them, reseting the patterns on the buttons, i noticed that one 
button still screws up.

Last thing i saw (but not the first time) is that if the button is 
autohilite - when you click the button
the pattern goes "black"...

Weird indeed... 

I'll keep trying to isolate this but it's the damnation of any theme group 
i create... There's always
one or the other control screwing up... no matter how i reset it...

cheers
Xavier

On 21/07/2005 07:56:31 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>Hi X,
>
>I think you need the following:
>
>on idle
>reset all the background of all the buttons to what they should be
>end idle
>
>:-)
>
>Seriously,
>Here's how I'd approach it:
>
>Step 1: Can I programatically 'reset' the backgrounds by:
>
>set the backgroundPattern of btn "myButt" to ""
>set the backgroundPattern of btn "myButt" to img "moon"
>
>or if that doesn't work try setting the bgPattern to one texture, then
>the other, then back to the first. See if toggling it in this manner
>doesn't provide results. Try inserting a 'set alwaysBuffer to false'
>then back to true in-between. Just some ideas.
>
>Step 2: If you can 'force' a reset programatically, then you may need to
>fire a handler every so often to check.
>
>best,
>
>Chipp
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From dam-pro.girard at laposte.net  Thu Jul 21 03:45:26 2005
From: dam-pro.girard at laposte.net (Damien Girard)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:45:26 +0200
Subject: Question for Linux Users:
In-Reply-To: <200507211128.03003.rishi@puredata.com.au>
References: <200507211128.03003.rishi@puredata.com.au>
Message-ID: <1121931926.757.7.camel@White-Side>

Le Jeudi 21 juillet 2005 ? 11:28 +1000, Rishi Viner a ?crit :
> Linux users,
> 
> What distro do you find works best with Rev?
> 
> Do you find it works better with a KDE or GNOME desktop?
> 
> I'm getting a lot of annoying things happening like:
> -cut/copy/paste just doesn't work 
> -keyboard interaction in Rev is sometimes flaky (eg sometimes when writing 
> scripts the enter key stops working, so you can't get a new line).
> 
> So I was wondering if there are Linux users out there who are having a 
> perfect/smooth/functional experience with Rev and if so, what environment 
> they are in that seems to keep it all nice. 
> 
> Thanks!
> 

There are problems with all distro, (I have tried with
Debian,RedHat,Mandrake,Suse).

And Runrev work better with the Gnome Desktop (but is it not very good).
I have tried with XFCE and runrev work a bit better than Gnome.

Please, go to http://support.runrev.com/bugzilla (or use RevZilla) and
confirm bugs that I have reported about the Linux engine.

And I have never had a perfect/smooth/functional experience with Rev
under Linux/Unix. (I have got FreeBSD now, and Runrev doesn't work at
all).

So, I am waiting the perfect "Revolution Linux/Unix" who work so good as
work Runrev under MacOS X.

Damien Girard



From dwilk at globalnet.co.uk  Thu Jul 21 05:47:48 2005
From: dwilk at globalnet.co.uk (David Wilkinson)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:47:48 +0100
Subject: Invisible invisible insertion point in field - solved but not
	resolved BZ 1734
In-Reply-To: <20050720222801.64010824913@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050720222801.64010824913@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <E1DvXef-0003sW-00@globalnet.co.uk>

First prize is shared by Sarah and Chipp - overlapping group.  Thanks 
guys. Surprisingly BZ returned Key Ray's report first hit, and it is 
just about on its first birthday.   Too much of a rewrite required 
for the time being, unfortunately.

Sarah was also right about the margin/text offset/vscroll thing, but 
I seemed only to be able to effect any obvious change with left and 
right margins - so I made the editbox taller to show the ascenders 
and descenders.

So that makes the Aussies one up in the Series already! 

ref: RevOnline user227 Table Field Experiment


From Hamburger1 at aol.com  Thu Jul 21 07:51:13 2005
From: Hamburger1 at aol.com (Hamburger1 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 07:51:13 EDT
Subject: menubar problems revisited
Message-ID: <54.4896a383.3010e631@aol.com>

Thanks Sarah for the advice.

I solved the edit menu problem by changing the name of the Edit menu by 
adding a space after it. So it's now named "Edit " then I deleted the regular 
"Edit" menu".

Joe in the tourist capital of the world, Orlando, Florida!


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Jul 21 07:58:59 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:58:59 +0200
Subject: [ANN][EN][FR] Tutorials Picker Major Upgrade and Tutorials Watcher
	released
Message-ID: <9983556F-B691-467A-BBD8-536FF681593C@sosmartsoftware.com>

Paris, Thursday, 21 July 2005

---------------------- English version -------------------------

Hello,

So Smart Software today announces the availability of Tutorials  
Picker 2.0. and Tutorials Watcher 1.0.

Version 2.0 of Tutorials Picker is a major upgrade which brings to  
you new features:

1. Complete rewriting of download routines:

     ? Better safety
     ? Better user monitoring
     ? Downloads length dramatically reduced by using gz archives

2. Visited tutorials are stored into a cache as long as Tutorials  
Picker is open, then if you open a tutorial again, it appears  
instantaneously.

3.Tutorials Watcher support: Tutorials Watcher is an invisible plugin  
(which must be downloaded separately from our website) that warns you  
discreetly at DreamCard/Revolution startup when new tutorials are  
available.

For further details, screenshots and downloads, please visit http:// 
www.sosmartsoftware.com

Best regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

PS. If you upgrade and install Tutorials Watcher too, you will be  
warned in less than one week when a new big tutorial about managing  
sounds within Revolution will be released :-)
PS2. Those of you who will let their email address when dowloading  
Tutorials Watcher will no longer receive tutorials announcements by  
mail.


--------------------- Version fran?aise ------------------------

Bonjour,

So Smart Software a le plaisir d'annoncer la sortie de Tutorials  
Picker 2.0. et Tutorials Watcher 1.0.

La version 2.0 de Tutorials Picker est un upgrade important qui vous  
apporte de nouvelles fonctionnalit?s :

1. R??criture compl?te des proc?dures de t?l?chargement :

     ? S?curit? accrue
     ? Meilleur contr?le utilisateur
     ? Dur?e des t?l?chargements raccourcie de fa?on spectaculaire  
par la mise en ?uvre d'archives gz

2. Les didacticiels visit?s sont plac?s en cache tant que Tutorials  
Picker reste ouvert : si vous r?ouvrez un didacticiel, il appara?t  
instantan?ment ? l'?cran.

3. Support de Tutorials Watcher : Tutorials Watcher est un plugin  
invisible (? t?l?charger s?par?ment depuis notre site) qui vous  
avertit discr?tement de la disponibiit? de nouveaux didacticiels au  
d?marrage de DreamCard/Revolution.

Pour plus de d?tails, copies d'?crans et t?l?chargements, merci de  
vous rendre sur http://www.sosmartsoftware.com

Cordialement,

Eric Chatonet.

PS. Si vous adoptez Tutorials Picker 2.0 et installez ?galement  
Tutorials Watcher, vous serez averti(e) automatiquement de la sortie  
d'un nouveau didacticiel important consacr? ? la gestion des sons  
avec Revolution dans moins d'une semaine :-)
PS2. Ceux d'entre vous qui laisseront leur adresse mail en  
t?l?chargeant Tutorials Watcher ne recevront plus d'annonces de  
nouveaux didacticiels par mail.

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From david at openpartnership.net  Thu Jul 21 08:59:10 2005
From: david at openpartnership.net (david bovill)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:59:10 +0200
Subject: Project Registry (was Ransomware)
In-Reply-To: <217.5227550.300feaba@aol.com>
References: <217.5227550.300feaba@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3ced704b6f61918660949d68ec2ca66f@openpartnership.net>

>
Dan wrote:

> Paul....
>
> I think the problem for me has come as this has escalated from a 
> fairly simple approach to enabling someone who plans to develop and 
> release open source/freeware to gauge the market before doing so, into 
> a sort of commercial-grade bidding registry which, I agree, would 
> require appropriate disposition of the proceeds of any deposits made 
> on behalf of projects that never get off the ground.
>
> Maybe there are two classes of project: free/opensource, and 
> commercial, with slightly different rules and procedures for each?
>
> Dan


They are part of a continuum. The legal and technical framework needs 
to be flexible enough so that projects that start "just for fun" can 
scale to fully commercial projects without anyone feeling "ripped off". 
So yes "slightly different rules and procedures for each" - and these 
should be negotiated on a project by project basis - the approach we 
take is to issue a secure digital currency based on a legal contract 
("Ricardian contract") which is a flexible enough legal instrument to 
encompass most forms of collaborative work.

One such currency which we have been working on we call "shards" - 
these are like shares but with a different legal basis - in simple 
terms they represent a "proportional share in revenue" (not profit). 
They can be issued in return for cash investment or development (in 
kind investment), or project management etc.

A currency like this can be issued for each project with the ability to 
customise the contract associated with the currency or just accept a 
standard (tested) contract. The hard part has been to get all this 
legally robust.

If this sounds not applicable to not-for-profit ventures... then this 
is simply a question of language. If there is not revenue from a 
project - and the investors / stake holders choose to pursue such a 
path, then the shards have no commercial value - perhaps they acts as 
"votes". If there ever is any commercial value in the future - then 
everyone knows where they stand and this is legally binding in court.


On 20 Jul 2005, at 19:58, SimPLsol at aol.com wrote:
>
> Work requested: Build a Project Request Registry
>
> Description: This will be a web site with functionality similar to the
> current Feature Enhancement section of STSRevzilla. It will allow 
> users to post
> requests, investors to make pledges, and developers to bid on the 
> projects. It
> will also let developers post proposals and request financing. There 
> will be a
> summary page of all requests and a detail page for each request. The 
> format of
> the detail page will be similar to the one used for this request. 
> There will
> also be detail pages for each bid/quote.

I like this - I would propose building into this two simple ideas from 
Scum / Agile Development - "Product Backcatalog" and "Sprint 
Backlog"... this would allow features to be requested, ranked and time 
/ costs allocated + project progress tracked.

>
> Moderator for this request: Dan?/Paul?/???
>
> Voting basis: One vote per dollar invested

Votes and how they are related to project management and investment is 
a complicated issue. I would not however go with this proposed basis - 
there are other stakeholders other than just cash investors.

>
> Distribution of completed project: Given to Revolution Ltd. if they 
> agree to
> host it. Given to any other host if Rev. declines the gift. This work 
> is not
> intended to be sold, no profits are anticipated.

I'd propose that the project be open sourced - LGPL or whatever (not 
GPL)... unless a significant investor wished the project to be sold as 
a closed source component.

>
> Maintenance: Developer's proposal should contain reserves for bug fixes
> during the first three months this is deployed. Improvements or later 
> bug fixes
> will be handled by a separate requests.
>
> Limit on number of investors: None

Can be. Project management?

>
> Currency used: US Dollars
>
> Minimum contribution per investor: $10
>
> Maximum contribution per investor: $10,000

OK by me  - but not really needed.

>
> Pledges to date:
> Paul Looney, SimPLsol at Aol.com, $100

David Bovill - Open Partnership - $200 + 100 hours development time 
(requirement Product Backcatalog stuff)

>
>
> Money collected to date:
>
>
> Escrow account held at:
> Escrow account number:
> People with access to the escrow account:
>
> Bids/Proposals/Quotes to date:
>
> Changes and Amendments to Proposal (with dates amended):

According to membership rules.

>
> Additional revenue required to start project:
>
> Project assigned to:

Project Managment

> Proposed completion date:

Not required - estimated development time tracked using Sprint Backlog 
graph....

> Project completed on:
> Money dispersed on:
>
> This is obviously a crude "first pass". Let's keep the ideas coming.
> Paul Looney
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From gefisher at mac.com  Thu Jul 21 09:31:28 2005
From: gefisher at mac.com (Glenn E. Fisher)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 08:31:28 -0500
Subject: NPR puzzle
Message-ID: <27a7ac03b127fc9e1d2463c6a94bc549@mac.com>

Sarah,
On July 20, 2005 5:26:37 PM CDT you wrote:
>
>> A 10-letter word for a form of travel, that consists of five 
>> consecutive symbols of chemical elements. What is it? If automobile 
>> had been the answer, AU, would represent Gold, MO would represent 
>> Molybdenum, and BI, would represent Bismuth. Unfortunately, the 
>> remaining bigrams, TO and LE, are not chemical symbols.
>>
>>
>> I have put up a stack with two fields. The first contains all 10 
>> letter words in my dictionary.
>>
>> The second contains all two character elements from the periodic 
>> table.
>>
>> You task, should you choose to adopt it, is to write a Run Rev 
>> handler to solve this weeks NPR puzzle defined above.
>>
>
> Before reading everyone else's solutions, I had a go and came up with 
> more or less the same script as anyone else. What intrigues me is that 
> there would appear to be 2 ways of tackling this problem and everyone 
> chose basically the same one.
>
> You can either go through the word list and see if any match the 
> elements, or you could go through the element list, making 
> combinations and matching them to the words. I discarded this idea 
> because the maths involved in working out all the permutations & 
> combinations has long since flowed out of my brain, but I wonder if 
> anyone else thought of using this method? Instinctively I feel it 
> would take longer, but there are 3620 words and only 97 elements.
>
> Thanks for the puzzle Jim, just what I needed to get the brain moving 
> first thing in the morning!
>
> Sarah
My first try at a solution was to form random combinations of 5 symbols 
and checking
to see if it was in the dictionary.  But, alas, it took too long to 
even find words,
so I went for the finding of words in the dictionary take matched the 
any 5 symbols.

Fun problem,
Glenn
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From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Thu Jul 21 09:33:18 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:33:18 -0400
Subject: NPR puzzle
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A99680C4@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

When I tried conjoining the if-then statement like that, both with 'or'
and with 'and' I found it to be 2 to 3 milliseconds slower than separate
if-then statements.

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hurley
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 6:43 PM
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Subject: Re: NPR puzzle

>
>Message: 10
>Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:52:50 -0500
>From: "Glenn E. Fisher" <gefisher at mac.com>
>Subject: Re: NPR puzzle
>To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>Message-ID: <8425930f6dbe22c95c747155f706c649 at mac.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=US-ASCII;	format=flowed
>
>Jim,
>
>Here is my submission that ran in 70 milliseconds on my 5 1/2 year old
>G4 450 MHz tower:
>
>    set cursor to watch
>    put the milliseconds into t
>    put fld "ChemSymbols" into c
>    put fld "dictionary" into d
>    repeat for each line L in d
>      if c contains char 1 to 2 of L and c contains char 3 to 4 of L\
>      and c contains char 5 to 6 of L and c contains char 7 to 8 of L\
>      and c contains char 9 to 10 of L then
>        put L & CR after o
>      end if
>    end repeat
>    put the milliseconds -t into t
>    put o into fld "Output"
>    put "time=" & t && "msecs" after fld "Output"
>
>Cheers,
>Glenn


Glenn,

Great solution!

At first I thought it would be slower than the one that most of us 
opted for, i.e. test each condition sequentially and if the test 
fails at any level go on with a "next repeat".

I thought RR would test all the conditionals in your handler (in 
...and ... and...) before moving on to the next repeat, but Scott 
Raney was too smart for that. Apparently, at the point where the 
"and" test fails, RR  decides there is no point in proceeding with 
the others, so...... next repeat.

The speed is about the same for either method.

Jim

P.S. If you submit your solution to NPR and your name is drawm, you 
are in danger of being called on Sunday for another test of wits. My 
mind works too slowly for this kind of exposure.


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From brad at activadesign.com  Thu Jul 21 10:04:00 2005
From: brad at activadesign.com (Brad Borch)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:04:00 -0400
Subject: PC/x-platform development (was Re: embed/install font)
In-Reply-To: <3A59B2BF-DCF8-4BA1-A381-6C3F5E2E6CC8@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <143.49471793.300f4375@aol.com> <dblnbq$c84$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<3A59B2BF-DCF8-4BA1-A381-6C3F5E2E6CC8@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <dboa0h$745$1@sea.gmane.org>

Ah, but I only have the Mac development platform. I guess that argues 
for me to get the PC platform.

Which raises a couple of points:

1) I got tired of paying Macromedia for the right to develop on two 
platforms. Every time Director upgraded, I had to shell out another $800 
for the upgrade on both platforms. I'm glad that Rev Studio on the Mac 
creates xplatform executables, but it sure would be nice to have both 
platforms included in the purchase of the product.

2) As the development platform depends on the player, would it be 
possible to create a limited development stack that would basically 
allow the testing of commands (like you list below) that would be 
interpreted by the player?

I guess the issue comes down to this: In director you could get away 
with creating movies that were playable on a PC using a "stub" projector 
(essentially a player). It was doable, but troubleshooting was a real 
PITA. I'm thinking the same it true of Rev?

Trevor DeVore wrote:

> If you set the externals property of a stack while the stack is open  
> then you need to do one of two things to load the external:
> 
> 1) Set the destroyWindow property of the stack to true.  Close the  
> stack window and open it again.
> 
> 2) Remove the stack from memory.  Open it again.
> 
> Here is a snippet of code that will create a new stack, set the  
> externals property and load the exteranl.  You can run this in the  
> multiline message box:
> 
> create stack "MyStack"
> set the destroyWindow of stack "MyStack" to true
> set the externals of stack "MyStack" to "EnhancedWin.dll"
> close stack "MyStack"
> go stack "MyStack"
> put the externalPackages of stack "MyStack"



From yoursignup at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 21 10:25:36 2005
From: yoursignup at yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 04:25:36 -1000
Subject: OT Javascripting <g>
In-Reply-To: <42DF37DA.508@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLCEGJHJAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>

Hi Chipp

I think the problem is your trying to capture an onSubmit event. Try
capturing the onClick event, and change your script like this:

<head>
<script type="text/javascript">
function checkURL(obj) {
  switch(obj.tVal.value) {
   case 'Chipp':
     document.location = 'http://www.chipp.com';
     break;
   case 'IBM':
     document.location = 'http://www.ibm.com';
     break;
   default:
     document.location = 'http://www.altuit.com';
   }
}
</script>
</head>

<body>
<form name="cLogin">
<font color="white">Client Login: </font>
<input type="text" size="16" name="tVal" style="font-size: 8pt">
<input type="button" VALUE="Submit" onClick="checkURL(this.form)">
</form>
</body>

This also allows you to check multiple fields in the form (as long as you
name them).

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of Chipp
Walters
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 7:51 PM
To: Use-Revolution
Subject: OT Javascripting <g>


So, I spent over an hour today trying to write this simple bit of
javascript. The idea is to have a field on a web page, which when one
enters a string and submits, will check the string and 'go someplace'
based upon what it finds.

If anyone is interested, I finally came up with the following below.

See if you can figure out why when I remove the document.write
statements, the code below quits working.

But, the real reason for this post is (in Scott Rossi's familiar rhetoric):

**OMG WTF!!!**

How obtuse is this anyway? Geez, I'm so glad I don't have to program in
that awkward stupid language! I mean, this should be a no brainer, but I
need to do things like "document.write(' ');" (null doesn't work) just
to grab the focus back to the window! And "window.location.replace(...)
instead of just "window.location" in order to cache the history correctly.

Thank God I for Transcript!

-Chipp

<script>
function checkURL(obj) {
switch( obj.value )
   {
   case 'Chipp':
     document.write(' ');
     window.location.replace('http://www.chipp.com');
     break;
   case 'IBM':
     document.write(' ');  window.location.replace('http://www.ibm.com');
     break;
   default:
     window.location = 'http://www.altuit.com';
   }
}
</script>



<form name="cLogin" onSubmit="checkURL(this.tVal)">
<font color="white">Client&nbsp;Login:&nbsp;</font>
<input type="text" size="16" name="tVal" style="font-size: 8pt">&nbsp;
</form>
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From xbury.cs at clearstream.com  Thu Jul 21 10:23:02 2005
From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:23:02 +0200
Subject: PC/x-platform development (was Re: embed/install font)
In-Reply-To: <dboa0h$745$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <OF0C7C25EF.3047B8B2-ONC1257045.004EDDCE-C1257045.004EED18@deutsche-boerse.com>

Brad,

I dont think nothing is stopping you from copying your stack to a mac and
running it via a demo player... 

Once the stack is made (on a PC for example), i dont think you need to
recompile it to run on Macs or Linux. 

But i could be wrong...

cheers
Xavier

On 21/07/2005 16:04:00 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>Ah, but I only have the Mac development platform. I guess that argues
>for me to get the PC platform.
>
>Which raises a couple of points:
>
>1) I got tired of paying Macromedia for the right to develop on two
>platforms. Every time Director upgraded, I had to shell out another $800
>for the upgrade on both platforms. I'm glad that Rev Studio on the Mac
>creates xplatform executables, but it sure would be nice to have both
>platforms included in the purchase of the product.
>
>2) As the development platform depends on the player, would it be
>possible to create a limited development stack that would basically
>allow the testing of commands (like you list below) that would be
>interpreted by the player?
>
>I guess the issue comes down to this: In director you could get away
>with creating movies that were playable on a PC using a "stub" projector
>(essentially a player). It was doable, but troubleshooting was a real
>PITA. I'm thinking the same it true of Rev?
>
>Trevor DeVore wrote:
>
>> If you set the externals property of a stack while the stack is open
>> then you need to do one of two things to load the external:
>>
>> 1) Set the destroyWindow property of the stack to true.  Close the
>> stack window and open it again.
>>
>> 2) Remove the stack from memory.  Open it again.
>>
>> Here is a snippet of code that will create a new stack, set the
>> externals property and load the exteranl.  You can run this in the
>> multiline message box:
>>
>> create stack "MyStack"
>> set the destroyWindow of stack "MyStack" to true
>> set the externals of stack "MyStack" to "EnhancedWin.dll"
>> close stack "MyStack"
>> go stack "MyStack"
>> put the externalPackages of stack "MyStack"
>
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Jul 21 10:43:07 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:43:07 -0500
Subject: PC/x-platform development (was Re: embed/install font)
In-Reply-To: <dboa0h$745$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <BF051EAB.25AB3%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 7/21/05 9:04 AM, "Brad Borch" <brad at activadesign.com> wrote:

> Ah, but I only have the Mac development platform. I guess that argues
> for me to get the PC platform.
> 
> Which raises a couple of points:
> 
> 1) I got tired of paying Macromedia for the right to develop on two
> platforms. Every time Director upgraded, I had to shell out another $800
> for the upgrade on both platforms. I'm glad that Rev Studio on the Mac
> creates xplatform executables, but it sure would be nice to have both
> platforms included in the purchase of the product.

Brad, AFAIK you can use the Mac version of Rev Studio to build for both Mac
and Windows - you just don't get the development environment for Windows
(which makes debugging a bear). Rev Enterprise gives you everything -
development and deployment on ALL platforms (including Linux). Didn't know
if you knew that...
 
> 2) As the development platform depends on the player, would it be
> possible to create a limited development stack that would basically
> allow the testing of commands (like you list below) that would be
> interpreted by the player?

Yes - just build a Windows standalone from the Mac version of Rev Studio and
test it under Windows.
 
> I guess the issue comes down to this: In director you could get away
> with creating movies that were playable on a PC using a "stub" projector
> (essentially a player). It was doable, but troubleshooting was a real
> PITA. I'm thinking the same it true of Rev?

Yes it is definitely doable, in fact the "stub" approach is a good one for
other reasons - you can't write data back to a standalone, so if you want to
store data in a stack, it needs to remain a stack file.





From ljk144 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 21 10:45:44 2005
From: ljk144 at gmail.com (Levi Kendall)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:45:44 -0400
Subject: Locking selective text in a field
Message-ID: <f4ebb19505072107451677a566@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

  I'm looking for a method to allow selective text to be locked in a
field.  Essentially everything in the field would need to be editable
except specific lines of text.  Or perhaps not even lines, but
specific chunks of characters.  One difficulty is as text is added or
deleted from the field, the sections of text that need to remained
locked will move around.

  Has anyone experimented with something similar or found an
implementation to do this?  Thanks.

-Levi


From signup at hawaii.rr.com  Tue Jul 19 15:35:40 2005
From: signup at hawaii.rr.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 09:35:40 -1000
Subject: GIF license
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLMEEGHJAA.signup@hawaii.rr.com>

Anyone know if a license is still required to export snapshot ... as GIF? If
so, what does this cost? -Jim


From charles.silverman at mac.com  Wed Jul 20 20:50:12 2005
From: charles.silverman at mac.com (charles.silverman at mac.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:50:12 -0400
Subject: HTMLtext problem
In-Reply-To: <20050720222801.198938248DA@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050720222801.198938248DA@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <23B6ADF7-4DB1-4C96-936D-28A1E60587A7@mac.com>

I need to get an accurate record of the text styles within a field  
but htmlText doesn't seem to report everything.

If "This is a test" is entered into a field without any changes, I  
get...

                 <p>this is a test</p>

Font, size, style and color information is not reported.


It seems that I have to change the font, size, color and style of  
some selected text within the field to something other than the  
default settings to get the additional style information. For  
example, once I've made these changes, the following now gets reported:

         <p><font face="Arial Black" size="14"  
color="#FF0000"><u>this is a test</u></font></p>

Is there a simpler way to get this to happen?

Thanks!
Charles

_______________
Charles Silverman
www.captionweb.ca



From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Thu Jul 21 10:59:09 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:59:09 -0400
Subject: Locking selective text in a field
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445F3@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>


For setting the lock on a chunk use something like this in a script
somewhere:

Set the linktext of char 4 to 6 of field "myField" to "Locked"


In the script of the field, use this (untested):

On rawkeydown
  Put word 2 of the selectedchunk into tStartChar
  Put word 4 of the selectedchunk into tEndChar
  If tEndChar < tStartChar then
    If the linktext of the selection = "Locked" then
      Exit rawkeydown
    End if
  Else
    Repeat with X = tStartChar to tEndChar
      If the linktext of char X of me = "Locked" then
        Exit rawkeydown
      End if
    End repeat
  End if
  Pass rawkeydown
End rawkeydown

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Levi
Kendall
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 10:46 AM
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Subject: Locking selective text in a field

Hi all,

  I'm looking for a method to allow selective text to be locked in a
field.  Essentially everything in the field would need to be editable
except specific lines of text.  Or perhaps not even lines, but
specific chunks of characters.  One difficulty is as text is added or
deleted from the field, the sections of text that need to remained
locked will move around.

  Has anyone experimented with something similar or found an
implementation to do this?  Thanks.

-Levi
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From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Thu Jul 21 11:03:43 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:03:43 -0400
Subject: HTMLtext problem
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A99680CA@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

If the text is inheriting its textfont, textstyle, textsize, etc... from
an object higher up in the message path, then that information would not
be kept in the htmltext.

You can do something like this:
Put the effective textstyle of char 5 of field "myField" into
tMyVariable

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of
charles.silverman at mac.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 8:50 PM
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Subject: HTMLtext problem

I need to get an accurate record of the text styles within a field  
but htmlText doesn't seem to report everything.

If "This is a test" is entered into a field without any changes, I  
get...

                 <p>this is a test</p>

Font, size, style and color information is not reported.


It seems that I have to change the font, size, color and style of  
some selected text within the field to something other than the  
default settings to get the additional style information. For  
example, once I've made these changes, the following now gets reported:

         <p><font face="Arial Black" size="14"  
color="#FF0000"><u>this is a test</u></font></p>

Is there a simpler way to get this to happen?

Thanks!
Charles

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www.captionweb.ca

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From yoursignup at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 21 11:04:06 2005
From: yoursignup at yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 05:04:06 -1000
Subject: GIF license
In-Reply-To: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLMEEGHJAA.signup@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLEEGKHJAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>

Please ignore my last message on this topic. It's already been discussed and
answered. I accidentally originally sent it from a non-registered email
address (with this list) and it was "held up for review."

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of Jim
Bufalini
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 9:36 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: GIF license


Anyone know if a license is still required to export snapshot ... as GIF? If
so, what does this cost? -Jim
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From ridge11103 at btinternet.com  Thu Jul 21 11:09:48 2005
From: ridge11103 at btinternet.com (John Ridge)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:09:48 +0100
Subject: Project Registry (was Ransomware)
In-Reply-To: <1e6.401a3a60.3010370f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BF05794C.4E90%ridge11103@btinternet.com>

on 21/7/05 12:23 am,  SimPLsol at aol.com wrote :

<snip>
    Both methods need a Registry (or some other means of communication
between investors and developers). I have pledged $100 to start building
this 
registry. Since there is no registry until the registry is built, I
volunteer to 
keep a list of pledges and will find a trusted third party to hold actual
funds 
if we get that far in this experiment.
Paul Looney
    

**********************************************

Paul, if it's any help I'd like to make a $100 pledge also - payment
presumably via PayPal?

Best wishes
John
-- 




From brad at activadesign.com  Thu Jul 21 11:44:20 2005
From: brad at activadesign.com (Brad Borch)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:44:20 -0400
Subject: PC/x-platform development (was Re: embed/install font)
In-Reply-To: <BF051EAB.25AB3%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <dboa0h$745$1@sea.gmane.org> <BF051EAB.25AB3%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <dbofsk$rjv$1@sea.gmane.org>

 >> 2) As the development platform depends on the player, would it be
 >> possible to create a limited development stack that would basically
 >> allow the testing of commands (like you list below) that would be
 >> interpreted by the player?

> Yes - just build a Windows standalone from the Mac version of Rev Studio and
> test it under Windows.

I know I can build an executable. What I was thinking was an executable 
that worked something like the message window, where I could write in 
commands and the stack would execute it, using the "do" command. 
Otherwise, how can I try the solution Trevor DeVore suggested:

> 
> create stack "MyStack"
> set the destroyWindow of stack "MyStack" to true
> set the externals of stack "MyStack" to "EnhancedWin.dll"
> close stack "MyStack"
> go stack "MyStack"
> put the externalPackages of stack "MyStack"

I can't do that outside the development platform, can I?



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Jul 21 11:50:38 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:50:38 -0500
Subject: PC/x-platform development (was Re: embed/install font)
In-Reply-To: <dbofsk$rjv$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <BF052E7E.25AE7%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 7/21/05 10:44 AM, "Brad Borch" <brad at activadesign.com> wrote:

>> Yes - just build a Windows standalone from the Mac version of Rev Studio and
>> test it under Windows.
> 
> I know I can build an executable. What I was thinking was an executable
> that worked something like the message window, where I could write in
> commands and the stack would execute it, using the "do" command.
> Otherwise, how can I try the solution Trevor DeVore suggested:

Oh, sorry... the answer is yes - you can just make a field in a stack and
then click a button that says:

  do (the text of field 1)

You should be able to set up a multiline field that way

>> create stack "MyStack"
>> set the destroyWindow of stack "MyStack" to true
>> set the externals of stack "MyStack" to "EnhancedWin.dll"
>> close stack "MyStack"
>> go stack "MyStack"
>> put the externalPackages of stack "MyStack"
> 
> I can't do that outside the development platform, can I?

Sure you can... the only thing you can't do outside the development platform
is to set the script of an object to something more than 10 lines in length.
Everything else (stack/object creation, etc.) is fair game...


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com




From lestond at lpsoftware.com  Thu Jul 21 12:49:20 2005
From: lestond at lpsoftware.com (Leston Drake)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:49:20 -0700
Subject: stack exporter?
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20050721093622.01e5b418@mail.xmission.com>

Hi all,

I have a stack that needs to be translated into another language. There are 
a good number of images in the stack that have text on them, so the images 
will need to be replaced. I'm trying to streamline the process as much as 
possible.

My thinking is to create a utility that would export all of the images to 
files and create a text file (XML type, perhaps) that would contain loc, 
height, width, name etc. type of information for the images.

I wonder if a utility such as this may already exist. Perhaps one that 
exports all object data to XML that I could modify to meet my needs without 
starting from scratch.
Anyone aware of a utility stack that may be helpful?

Thanks.
Leston




From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Jul 21 12:00:09 2005
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:00:09 +0200
Subject: stack exporter?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20050721093622.01e5b418@mail.xmission.com>
References: <5.1.1.6.0.20050721093622.01e5b418@mail.xmission.com>
Message-ID: <27C6BBF1-55CB-4D2D-A692-9BB4659D3B83@major-k.de>

Hi Leston,

> Hi all,
>
> I have a stack that needs to be translated into another language.  
> There are a good number of images in the stack that have text on  
> them, so the images will need to be replaced. I'm trying to  
> streamline the process as much as possible.
>
> My thinking is to create a utility that would export all of the  
> images to files and create a text file (XML type, perhaps) that  
> would contain loc, height, width, name etc. type of information for  
> the images.
>
> I wonder if a utility such as this may already exist. Perhaps one  
> that exports all object data to XML that I could modify to meet my  
> needs without starting from scratch.
> Anyone aware of a utility stack that may be helpful?

take a look at my nice "2lz2" plugin*, it contains a substack called  
"Analyze it..."**
which might get you started.

* Get it here:
http://www.major-k.de/revstart.html
Scroll a bit down the page...

**Besides other nice and handy features :-)

> Thanks.
> Leston

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Jul 21 12:04:03 2005
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:04:03 +0200
Subject: stack exporter?
In-Reply-To: <27C6BBF1-55CB-4D2D-A692-9BB4659D3B83@major-k.de>
References: <5.1.1.6.0.20050721093622.01e5b418@mail.xmission.com>
	<27C6BBF1-55CB-4D2D-A692-9BB4659D3B83@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <AEBA6C90-3E95-4B4A-8034-E30A691F6832@major-k.de>


Am 21.07.2005 um 18:00 schrieb Klaus Major:

> Hi Leston,
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have a stack that needs to be translated into another language.  
>> There are a good number of images in the stack that have text on  
>> them, so the images will need to be replaced. I'm trying to  
>> streamline the process as much as possible.
>>
>> My thinking is to create a utility that would export all of the  
>> images to files and create a text file (XML type, perhaps) that  
>> would contain loc, height, width, name etc. type of information  
>> for the images.
>>
>> I wonder if a utility such as this may already exist. Perhaps one  
>> that exports all object data to XML that I could modify to meet my  
>> needs without starting from scratch.
>> Anyone aware of a utility stack that may be helpful?
>>
>
> take a look at my nice "2lz2" plugin*, it contains a substack  
> called "Analyze it..."**
> which might get you started.
>
> * Get it here:
> http://www.major-k.de/revstart.html
> Scroll a bit down the page...
>
> **Besides other nice and handy features :-)
>
>
>> Thanks.
>> Leston

MON DIEUX!!!!

I actually could post a hint BEFORE Mr. Chatonet created a dozen
tutorials and posted them on this list :-D

Will have to mark this day in red in my calendar ;-)


Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de


P.S.
Just kidding, Eric, had too little sleep tonight ;-)



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Jul 21 12:08:14 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:08:14 +0200
Subject: Apologises from So Smart Software
Message-ID: <6A9DDE4A-459A-443C-A38B-A6503B1FF136@sosmartsoftware.com>

Paris, Thursday, 21 July 2005

---------------------- English version -------------------------

Hello,

A few hours ago I announced the availability of Tutorials Picker 2.0.  
and Tutorials Watcher 1.0.
In fact the files uploaded to the website as to Rev Online were not  
the good ones.
Thanks to those who trusted me and download yet these plugins to be  
kind enough... to do it again :-)
With my apologises for this inconvenience.
http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/?r=revolution&l=en

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.

--------------------- Version fran?aise ------------------------

Bonjour,

J'ai eu le plaisir il y a quelques heures d'annoncer la sortie de  
Tutorials Picker 2.0. et Tutorials Watcher 1.0.
En fait, les fichiers t?l?charg?s sur le site comme sur Rev Online  
n'?taient pas les bons.
Merci ? ceux qui m'ont fait confiance et ont d?j? t?l?charg? ces  
plugins d'?tre assez aimables pour... recommencer :-)
Avec toutes mes excuses pour ce d?sagr?ment.
http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/?r=revolution&l=fr

Cordialement,
Eric Chatonet.

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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Jul 21 12:16:44 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:16:44 +0200
Subject: HTMLtext problem
In-Reply-To: <23B6ADF7-4DB1-4C96-936D-28A1E60587A7@mac.com>
References: <20050720222801.198938248DA@mail.runrev.com>
	<23B6ADF7-4DB1-4C96-936D-28A1E60587A7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <77CCA4E9-BBA0-43A2-B668-EF8DFF74C448@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Charles,

Your html is good html :-)
Make a stack with 2 fields.
Type (or paste) the text you desire in the first one. Change fonts,  
colours, styles as usual using the Text menu.
Add a button the script of which will be:

on mouseUp
   put the htmlText of fld 1 into fld 2
end mouseUp

If you are too lazy ;-) or desire a more sophisticated tool, you  
might be interested by Encoded Text Picker, a complete translator you  
will find on my web site (Revolution plugins section).

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

Le 21 juil. 05 ? 02:50, charles.silverman at mac.com a ?crit :

> I need to get an accurate record of the text styles within a field  
> but htmlText doesn't seem to report everything.
>
> If "This is a test" is entered into a field without any changes, I  
> get...
>
>                 <p>this is a test</p>
>
> Font, size, style and color information is not reported.
>
>
> It seems that I have to change the font, size, color and style of  
> some selected text within the field to something other than the  
> default settings to get the additional style information. For  
> example, once I've made these changes, the following now gets  
> reported:
>
>         <p><font face="Arial Black" size="14"  
> color="#FF0000"><u>this is a test</u></font></p>
>
> Is there a simpler way to get this to happen?


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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Jul 21 12:19:40 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:19:40 +0200
Subject: stack exporter?
In-Reply-To: <AEBA6C90-3E95-4B4A-8034-E30A691F6832@major-k.de>
References: <5.1.1.6.0.20050721093622.01e5b418@mail.xmission.com>
	<27C6BBF1-55CB-4D2D-A692-9BB4659D3B83@major-k.de>
	<AEBA6C90-3E95-4B4A-8034-E30A691F6832@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <46FA19E2-B30E-4E50-B336-10D267C8E044@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Klaus,

LOL

Le 21 juil. 05 ? 18:04, Klaus Major a ?crit :

> MON DIEUX!!!!
>
> I actually could post a hint BEFORE Mr. Chatonet created a dozen
> tutorials and posted them on this list :-D
>
> Will have to mark this day in red in my calendar ;-)


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From lestond at lpsoftware.com  Thu Jul 21 13:17:40 2005
From: lestond at lpsoftware.com (Leston Drake)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:17:40 -0700
Subject: stack exporter?
In-Reply-To: <27C6BBF1-55CB-4D2D-A692-9BB4659D3B83@major-k.de>
References: <5.1.1.6.0.20050721093622.01e5b418@mail.xmission.com>
	<5.1.1.6.0.20050721093622.01e5b418@mail.xmission.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20050721101608.01e71590@mail.xmission.com>

Thanks Klaus.

Looks like it will be very helpful. Some other very handy features - I'm 
going to hold on to this one!

Leston

At 09:00 AM 7/21/2005, you wrote:
>Hi Leston,
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>I have a stack that needs to be translated into another language.
>>There are a good number of images in the stack that have text on
>>them, so the images will need to be replaced. I'm trying to
>>streamline the process as much as possible.
>>
>>My thinking is to create a utility that would export all of the
>>images to files and create a text file (XML type, perhaps) that
>>would contain loc, height, width, name etc. type of information for
>>the images.
>>
>>I wonder if a utility such as this may already exist. Perhaps one
>>that exports all object data to XML that I could modify to meet my
>>needs without starting from scratch.
>>Anyone aware of a utility stack that may be helpful?
>
>take a look at my nice "2lz2" plugin*, it contains a substack called
>"Analyze it..."**
>which might get you started.
>
>* Get it here:
>http://www.major-k.de/revstart.html
>Scroll a bit down the page...
>
>**Besides other nice and handy features :-)
>
>>Thanks.
>>Leston
>
>Regards
>
>Klaus Major
>klaus at major-k.de
>http://www.major-k.de
>
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From gbrackett at luceatlux.com  Thu Jul 21 13:00:47 2005
From: gbrackett at luceatlux.com (George Brackett)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:00:47 -0400
Subject: Apologises from So Smart Software
In-Reply-To: <6A9DDE4A-459A-443C-A38B-A6503B1FF136@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <6A9DDE4A-459A-443C-A38B-A6503B1FF136@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <9D608EE3-02F8-4A75-A4B4-2D33BE4B2C44@luceatlux.com>

Thanks, Eric!  No problem at all.

Une petite le?on en Anglais: "apologies".

I probably got the gender of le?on wrong...

George


On Jul 21, 2005, at 12:08 PM, Eric Chatonet wrote:

Paris, Thursday, 21 July 2005

---------------------- English version -------------------------

Hello,

A few hours ago I announced the availability of Tutorials Picker 2.0.  
and Tutorials Watcher 1.0.
In fact the files uploaded to the website as to Rev Online were not  
the good ones.
Thanks to those who trusted me and download yet these plugins to be  
kind enough... to do it again :-)
With my apologises for this inconvenience.
http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/?r=revolution&l=en

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.

--------------------- Version fran?aise ------------------------

Bonjour,

J'ai eu le plaisir il y a quelques heures d'annoncer la sortie de  
Tutorials Picker 2.0. et Tutorials Watcher 1.0.
En fait, les fichiers t?l?charg?s sur le site comme sur Rev Online  
n'?taient pas les bons.
Merci ? ceux qui m'ont fait confiance et ont d?j? t?l?charg? ces  
plugins d'?tre assez aimables pour... recommencer :-)
Avec toutes mes excuses pour ce d?sagr?ment.
http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/?r=revolution&l=fr

Cordialement,
Eric Chatonet.

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From brad at activadesign.com  Thu Jul 21 13:00:25 2005
From: brad at activadesign.com (Brad Borch)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:00:25 -0400
Subject: PC/x-platform development (was Re: embed/install font)
In-Reply-To: <BF052E7E.25AE7%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <dbofsk$rjv$1@sea.gmane.org> <BF052E7E.25AE7%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <dbokb9$adr$1@sea.gmane.org>

Where do I find EnhancedWin.dll??



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Jul 21 13:06:47 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:06:47 +0200
Subject: Apologises from So Smart Software
In-Reply-To: <9D608EE3-02F8-4A75-A4B4-2D33BE4B2C44@luceatlux.com>
References: <6A9DDE4A-459A-443C-A38B-A6503B1FF136@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<9D608EE3-02F8-4A75-A4B4-2D33BE4B2C44@luceatlux.com>
Message-ID: <FDF65741-D55B-4DCC-BF54-1F1107681CD8@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi George,

I was very worried, in a hurry and as usual with my bad English.
So... No time to submit this to my Editor :-)
Many thanks for your comprehension!

Le 21 juil. 05 ? 19:00, George Brackett a ?crit :

> Thanks, Eric!  No problem at all.
>
> Une petite le?on en Anglais: "apologies".
>
> I probably got the gender of le?on wrong...

Not at all.
C'est parfait !

> George

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From bann at sunncomm.com  Thu Jul 21 13:15:01 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:15:01 -0700
Subject: Screen Postion???
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760981@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>

Hello,

I am creating an application which has one main stack and 5 substacks. I
lock the size and location using property inspector BUT when I view the
application on different computers with different screen setting those 5
substacks are displayed in different locations

The problem is I don't know how to set the location for those 5
substacks so they are displayed in the right position that I set so I
don't have to worry about other users' computer screen setting.

Thank you


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Jul 21 13:27:01 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:27:01 +0200
Subject: Screen Postion???
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760981@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760981@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <62364796-8801-4841-94ED-33BB76F45E35@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Ban,

You could try to set the position of your stacks relative to the  
screenRect value in a preOpenStack handler in your main stack.
For instance:

on preOpenStack
   local tCurLoc
   -----
   put the screenLoc into tCurLoc
   set the loc of this stack to tCurLoc
   repeat with i = 1 to 5
     add x to item 1 of tCurLoc -- horizontal co-ordinate
     add y to item 2 of tCurLoc -- vertical co-ordinate
     set the loc of stack  item i of  "MySubstack1, MySubstack2, etc"  
to tCurLoc
   end repeat
end preOpenStack

Such a handler will present the main stack centred on- screen and the  
others in cascade according to x and y values.
Of course, you can change all that to suit your needs (working for  
instance with the screenRect too).
It's just to get you the idea.

Le 21 juil. 05 ? 19:15, Ban Nguyen a ?crit :

> I am creating an application which has one main stack and 5  
> substacks. I
> lock the size and location using property inspector BUT when I view  
> the
> application on different computers with different screen setting  
> those 5
> substacks are displayed in different locations
>
> The problem is I don't know how to set the location for those 5
> substacks so they are displayed in the right position that I set so I
> don't have to worry about other users' computer screen setting.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Jul 21 13:37:43 2005
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:37:43 +0200
Subject: Screen Postion???
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760981@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760981@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <CC900831-65E1-445C-AEB7-71D7F08529E2@major-k.de>

Hi Ban,

> Hello,
>
> I am creating an application which has one main stack and 5  
> substacks. I
> lock the size and location using property inspector BUT when I view  
> the
> application on different computers with different screen setting  
> those 5
> substacks are displayed in different locations
>
> The problem is I don't know how to set the location for those 5
> substacks so they are displayed in the right position that I set so I
> don't have to worry about other users' computer screen setting.

Well, what is the question actually???
How to set the position of your stacks?

You can do so on "preopenstack" preferrably...

To center a stack in the middel of the (ANY) screen:

on preopenstack
   set the loc of this stack to the screenloc
...
end preopenstack

To open a stack somewhere else, you can compute the necessary and
available loc by yourself ;-)

"The loc" means "the center" of your stack!

Please remember to add about*** 30 pixel for the window title and  
another
30 pixel for the Mac menubar, in case you are working on/for a mac...

***It is a bit less, but I idon't have the correct sizes at hand.

So to open a stack e.g. in the topleft corner of ANY windows! monitor  
you can:

on preopenstack
   put round(the width of this stack/2) into new_xloc
   put round(the height of this stack/2 + 30) into new_yloc
   ## add some pixel, so the window title will not be hidden!
   set the loc of this stack to new_xloc,new_yloc
...
end preopenstack

You get the picture.

Hope that helps...

> Thank you

You are welcome :-)


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Jul 21 13:39:46 2005
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:39:46 +0200
Subject: Screen Postion??? Eric strikes again :-)
In-Reply-To: <62364796-8801-4841-94ED-33BB76F45E35@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760981@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
	<62364796-8801-4841-94ED-33BB76F45E35@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <A4AF1CDF-D455-46C4-B780-CA1F03D6DA51@major-k.de>

Hi Eric,

> Hi Ban,
>
> You could try to set the position of your stacks relative to the  
> screenRect value in a preOpenStack handler in your main stack.
> For instance:
>
> on preOpenStack
>   local tCurLoc
>   -----
>   put the screenLoc into tCurLoc
>   set the loc of this stack to tCurLoc
>   repeat with i = 1 to 5
>     add x to item 1 of tCurLoc -- horizontal co-ordinate
>     add y to item 2 of tCurLoc -- vertical co-ordinate
>     set the loc of stack  item i of  "MySubstack1, MySubstack2,  
> etc" to tCurLoc
>   end repeat
> end preOpenStack
>
> Such a handler will present the main stack centred on- screen and  
> the others in cascade according to x and y values.
> Of course, you can change all that to suit your needs (working for  
> instance with the screenRect too).
> It's just to get you the idea.
>
> Le 21 juil. 05 ? 19:15, Ban Nguyen a ?crit :
>
>
>> I am creating an application which has one main stack and 5  
>> substacks. I
>> lock the size and location using property inspector BUT when I  
>> view the
>> application on different computers with different screen setting  
>> those 5
>> substacks are displayed in different locations
>>
>> The problem is I don't know how to set the location for those 5
>> substacks so they are displayed in the right position that I set so I
>> don't have to worry about other users' computer screen setting.
>>
>
> Best Regards from Paris,
>
> Eric Chatonet.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> So Smart Software
>
> For institutions, companies and associations
> Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc.
> Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch
>
> Free plugins and tutorials on my website
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Web site        http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
> Email        eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/
> Phone        33 (0)1 43 31 77 62
> Mobile        33 (0)6 20 74 50 86

DAMN, i'm way too slow :-D


Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From bann at sunncomm.com  Thu Jul 21 13:48:21 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:48:21 -0700
Subject: Screen Postion???
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E59F@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>


I am trying to use this code and I give me an error:

     	executing at 10:45:16 AM
Type	Chunk: can't find stack
Object	main
Line	set the loc of stack item i of "partners, aboutUs, location,
contact" to tCurLoc
Hint	stack "main.rev"


-------------------------------------
You could try to set the position of your stacks relative to the  
screenRect value in a preOpenStack handler in your main stack.
For instance:

on preOpenStack
   local tCurLoc
   -----
   put the screenLoc into tCurLoc
   set the loc of this stack to tCurLoc
   repeat with i = 1 to 5
     add x to item 1 of tCurLoc -- horizontal co-ordinate
     add y to item 2 of tCurLoc -- vertical co-ordinate
     set the loc of stack  item i of  "MySubstack1, MySubstack2, etc"  
to tCurLoc
   end repeat
end preOpenStack

Such a handler will present the main stack centred on- screen and the  
others in cascade according to x and y values.
Of course, you can change all that to suit your needs (working for  
instance with the screenRect too).
It's just to get you the idea.

---------------------------------------------------------

> I am creating an application which has one main stack and 5  
> substacks. I
> lock the size and location using property inspector BUT when I view  
> the
> application on different computers with different screen setting  
> those 5
> substacks are displayed in different locations
>
> The problem is I don't know how to set the location for those 5
> substacks so they are displayed in the right position that I set so I
> don't have to worry about other users' computer screen setting.

-
-


From europe at ehug.info  Thu Jul 21 16:31:28 2005
From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 22:31:28 +0200
Subject: I need help with custom cursors
In-Reply-To: <23C94F7D-B48E-45AF-8A53-65BF1D625D4F@cableone.net>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445E4@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>	<B8014442-F065-4065-9D0E-D7A0A2B808CB@cableone.net>	<86BADBA1-C283-4764-AEDE-F8C8721190FD@cableone.net>
	<23C94F7D-B48E-45AF-8A53-65BF1D625D4F@cableone.net>
Message-ID: <42E00620.5030407@ehug.info>

Chris,

I tried as you suggest, but without success. I have an image of 
16x16 pixels, containing three colours: some transparent colour, 
rgb value 0,0,1 and white. I saved it as a png and as a gif file.

The png file is completely white, except for the transparent 
area, when imported. If I use the pencil tool to change one 
pixel, it becomes completely black (except the transparent 
area). If I import the gif file, it gets completely black and 
stays black after changing a pixel (except transparent area).

Would you be willing to describe the process step by step?

Best,

Mark

Chris Sheffield wrote:
> For anyone who is even remotely interested, Jonathan has figured out  
> this little problem.
> 
> It turns out that using black in the cursor images is the problem.   So 
> use some other color very close to black (RGB 1,0,0 for example)  
> instead of black.  Then after importing your image into Rev, use  Rev's 
> pencil tool to change a pixel or two, then just undo your  changes (I'm 
> not sure what exactly this does, but it doesn't work  without this 
> step).  Then just set your cursor like normal.  Works  like a charm.
> 
> Thanks again, Jonathan.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 13, 2005, at 2:31 PM, Chris Sheffield wrote:
> 
>> Well, since no other ideas appear to be coming in, I'm wondering if  
>> anyone out there has any custom cursors that work that you would be  
>> willing to share.  I'm looking for an hourglass along with left,  
>> right, up and down pointing fingers (much like they had/have in the  
>> Myst games.  Anyone?
>>
>> Thanks.
-- 

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general economics at your institute. I am also looking
for new freelance programming projects.



From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Jul 21 16:50:36 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:50:36 -0500
Subject: PC/x-platform development (was Re: embed/install font)
In-Reply-To: <dboa0h$745$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <143.49471793.300f4375@aol.com>
	<dblnbq$c84$1@sea.gmane.org>	<3A59B2BF-DCF8-4BA1-A381-6C3F5E2E6CC8@mangomultimedia.com>
	<dboa0h$745$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <42E00A9C.2030008@chipp.com>



Brad Borch wrote:
> ..., but it sure would be nice to have both 
> platforms included in the purchase of the product.

Check out the Enterprise edition. I believe it has support for all 
platforms 'built in.'

-Chipp


From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Thu Jul 21 17:19:37 2005
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:19:37 -0700
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <p06200704bf040fdd6b19@[69.85.136.57]>
Message-ID: <BF055F79.F1B9%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

Here's a solution that takes 10 milliseconds on a 1GHz PowerBook G4.

The main reason for the speed improvement over previous solutions is that
array look-ups are typically faster than string searches.

  put the milliseconds into tMilliseconds
  repeat for each line tSymbol in field 2
    put "true" into tSymbolArray[tSymbol]
  end repeat
  repeat for each word tWord in field 1
    if tSymbolArray[char 1 to 2 of tWord] then
      if tSymbolArray[char 3 to 4 of tWord] then
        if tSymbolArray[char 5 to 6 of tWord] then
          if tSymbolArray[char 7 to 8 of tWord] then
            if tSymbolArray[char 9 to 10 of tWord] then
              put tWord & return after tHits
            end if
          end if
        end if
      end if
    end if
  end repeat
  put the milliseconds - tMilliseconds \
      into tElapsedMilliseconds
  put number of lines in tHits && "hits in" \
      && tElapsedMilliseconds && "milliseconds" \
      & return & return & tHits

-- Dick




From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Thu Jul 21 17:22:36 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 17:22:36 -0400
Subject: NPR puzzle
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A99680D3@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

I humbly bow before thee...

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Dick
Kriesel
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 5:20 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: NPR puzzle

Here's a solution that takes 10 milliseconds on a 1GHz PowerBook G4.

The main reason for the speed improvement over previous solutions is
that
array look-ups are typically faster than string searches.

  put the milliseconds into tMilliseconds
  repeat for each line tSymbol in field 2
    put "true" into tSymbolArray[tSymbol]
  end repeat
  repeat for each word tWord in field 1
    if tSymbolArray[char 1 to 2 of tWord] then
      if tSymbolArray[char 3 to 4 of tWord] then
        if tSymbolArray[char 5 to 6 of tWord] then
          if tSymbolArray[char 7 to 8 of tWord] then
            if tSymbolArray[char 9 to 10 of tWord] then
              put tWord & return after tHits
            end if
          end if
        end if
      end if
    end if
  end repeat
  put the milliseconds - tMilliseconds \
      into tElapsedMilliseconds
  put number of lines in tHits && "hits in" \
      && tElapsedMilliseconds && "milliseconds" \
      & return & return & tHits

-- Dick


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From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 21 18:22:48 2005
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:22:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Indexing mail list messages
In-Reply-To: <20050721153752.C6E688248D5@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20050721222249.13934.qmail@web40528.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Developers,

i've started build indexes for searching
(from a CD-RW), keywords and phrases within the
200 MB of mail list messages.

Many of you suggest third party software,
but i'm sure that RR is able to search for
phrases and keywords within these text files.

The files range (for RR mail list messages) from
4.8 MB to 543k and my first idea is to create
two indexes for each of the 45 mail messages
text files.

The first index have a list of each
message subjects submitted in that month,
followed by the line or lines where this subject
is found in the text. For example:

message subject         lines where this text appears

Subject: Gif animation  75,124,257,310,358,

Creating this index took only a few minutes for
all the files.

The second index is for keywords within each 
text file, using the same approach.
Unfortunaly, using this approach, pairing
words with line offsets created in some cases
files bigger than the mail archive! :-(
For example, the june 2005 text file is only
4.8 MB, but the index is more than 5.3 MB...

After, i deleted the stop words from the index,
(search in Google for: "google stop words")
it was "reduced" to 3.5 MB. Still too big for
my taste.

Which approach could i take to build a smaller
and accurate word index for mail list archives?

Thanks in advance.

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From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Jul 21 18:57:28 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:57:28 +0100
Subject: Indexing mail list messages
In-Reply-To: <20050721222249.13934.qmail@web40528.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050721222249.13934.qmail@web40528.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42E02858.8060000@tweedly.net>

Alejandro Tejada wrote:

>The second index is for keywords within each 
>text file, using the same approach.
>Unfortunaly, using this approach, pairing
>words with line offsets created in some cases
>files bigger than the mail archive! :-(
>For example, the june 2005 text file is only
>4.8 MB, but the index is more than 5.3 MB...
>
>After, i deleted the stop words from the index,
>(search in Google for: "google stop words")
>it was "reduced" to 3.5 MB. Still too big for
>my taste.
>
>Which approach could i take to build a smaller
>and accurate word index for mail list archives?
>  
>
Are you indexing every line where the word exists ?
Could you instead index only the message number (or id, or first line of 
the message) ?

Or could you post the code / a stack to save me asking you another 50 
questions ... ? :-)

Are you keeping the whole mbox format ?  Or discarding the headers you 
don't need ?
How many different words remain after the stop words are discarded ?
How many lines in the file ?   How many entries per word ? (min, max, 
avg, mean, std dev) .. ?


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From briany at qldlearning.com  Thu Jul 21 19:08:51 2005
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:08:51 -0700
Subject: Indexing mail list messages
In-Reply-To: <20050721222249.13934.qmail@web40528.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050721222249.13934.qmail@web40528.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d1fb9d858050a58002652804eabb8a25@qldlearning.com>

Alejandro,

Some off-the-cusp thoughts:

* Add synonyms for common xTalk terms (cd => card, btn => button, etc) 
and combine their indices
* Support some sort of stemming (or at least, combine words with their 
plurals)
* Create a stop word threshold: any term which occurs in more than X% 
of messages becomes a stop word and is discarded from the index.
* Index by message, not by line. You could always find the line in the 
message on the fly.
* Don't index all message headers
* Don't index message footers and/or signatures
* Remove dups (i.e. if a word appears twice on a line or twice in a 
message)

Hope these give you some ideas.

Of course I also have a high level question- what's wrong with just a 
5MB index on a CD-ROM? If it is just for disk space, you could compress 
the index and probably get a significant savings.

- Brian



From rishi at puredata.com.au  Thu Jul 21 19:25:15 2005
From: rishi at puredata.com.au (Rishi Viner)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:25:15 +1000
Subject: Question for Linux Users:
In-Reply-To: <1121931926.757.7.camel@White-Side>
References: <200507211128.03003.rishi@puredata.com.au>
	<1121931926.757.7.camel@White-Side>
Message-ID: <200507220925.15933.rishi@puredata.com.au>

Hi Damien,

On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 05:45 pm, you wrote:
> Please, go to http://support.runrev.com/bugzilla (or use RevZilla) and
> confirm bugs that I have reported about the Linux engine.

OK, will do. I have looked at a few of the Linux bugs there now and found one 
relating to Klipper under KDE (clipboard manager tool). I turned Klipper off 
and bingo - cut/copy/paste now works with Rev! (_Such_ a relief...).

> And I have never had a perfect/smooth/functional experience with Rev
> under Linux/Unix. (I have got FreeBSD now, and Runrev doesn't work at
> all).

I'm running SuSE 9.2 Pro with KDE 3.4. 

>
> So, I am waiting the perfect "Revolution Linux/Unix" who work so good as
> work Runrev under MacOS X.

I agree, wouldn't that be great! Best of both worlds. I guess Linux users are 
in the minority, but we do pay the same price to buy Rev...

Cheers,

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From SimPLsol at aol.com  Thu Jul 21 21:09:28 2005
From: SimPLsol at aol.com (SimPLsol at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:09:28 EDT
Subject: Project Registry
Message-ID: <1e2.407d4749.3011a148@aol.com>

David,
     It has been a full day, sorry it has taken so long to reply.
     You used some terms with which I am not familiar: Ricardian contract, 
shards, Scum / Agile Development, Product Backcatalog, and Sprint Backlog. 
Enlightenment is appreciated.
     Why would one want to split the revenue instead of the profit?
     With your pledge and mine, the three day total is $300. At this rate, if 
it takes us a year to get all the details worked out, there might be $36,500 
to program it ;-)
Paul Looney


From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 21 21:36:06 2005
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:36:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Indexing mail list messages
Message-ID: <20050722013606.82189.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com>

Alex Tweedley wrote:

> Are you indexing every line where the word exists ?

Oh yes, in a first try i was guilty of that... :-(

> Could you instead index only the message number (or 
> id, or first line of the message) ?

Ah! The msg id... this is a good choice because
this specific line is not repeated when
developers replies to a message.
So there is only one msg id for every msg. :-)

> Or could you post the code / a stack to save me 
> asking you another 50 questions ... ? :-)

Here is the first iteration that produced
an index larger than the indexed file.
(i'll change it to work, not with line numbers, but
with message number)

-- start script --
on mouseUp
  -- based in Scott Raney's example code
  -- comments that start with "#" are his...

  answer file "Select a mail message text file for
input:"
  if it is empty then exit mouseUp
  # let user know we're working on it
  set the cursor to watch
  put it into inputFile
  set the itemdelimiter to "\"
  put the last item of inputFile into zvn
  put ".wndx" into char -4 to -1 of zvn
  put "file:" before zvn
  
  open file inputFile for read
  read from file inputFile until eof
  put it into fileContent
  close file inputFile
  
  repeat for each line w in fileContent
    add 1 to mylinecount
    repeat for each word z in w
      put mylinecount & comma after wordCount[z]
    end repeat
  end repeat
  
  # copy all the indexes that is in the wordCount
associative array
  put keys(wordCount) into keyWords
  # sort the indexes -- keyWords contains a list of
elements in array
  sort keyWords
  repeat for each line l in keyWords
    put l & tab & wordCount[l] & return after
displayResult
  end repeat
  put displayResult into URL zvn

  -- look for a file with the extension *.wndx
  -- in the same location of the selected text file
  -- This *.wndx file contains the index.

end mouseUp

-- end script --

> Are you keeping the whole mbox format ?  

Yes, completely.

> Or discarding the headers you don't need ?

No, the file is complete without change.

> How many different words remain after the stop words
> are discarded ?

Not too many words, but there are a lot
of similar words that change a little
in their endings.

> How many lines in the file ?   
> How many entries per word ? 
> (min, max, avg, mean, std dev) .. ?

With the code above, and this file:
<http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2005-June.txt.gz>
the answer to these questions is at a glance. ;-)

I'll keep building on these new ideas!
Thanks a lot for your help! 

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From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 21 21:51:03 2005
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:51:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Indexing mail list messages
Message-ID: <20050722015103.85082.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Brian, :-)

Brian Yennie wrote:

> Some off-the-cusp thoughts:
> * Add synonyms for common xTalk terms (cd => card, 
> btn => button, etc) and combine their indices

Interesting idea, i'll give more thought
to this possibility.

> * Support some sort of stemming (or at least,
combine 
> words with their plurals)

Yes, this is a must.

> * Create a stop word threshold: any term which
occurs 
> in more than X% of messages becomes a stop word and 
> is discarded from the index.

This is a good recomendation. For example,
the word "revolution" should be a stop word. :-)

> * Index by message, not by line. You could always 
> find the line in the message on the fly.

Yes, Alex Tweedley makes this recomendation too.

> * Don't index all message headers
> * Don't index message footers and/or signatures

The headers contains some useful info... No?

> * Remove dups (i.e. if a word appears twice on a
line 
> or twice in a message)

Yes, this is a must too.

> Hope these give you some ideas.

Sure they do! These are mind opening
ideas. You could be sure that many other
ideas, probably unrelated to this task
will take life while working on this... :-)

Today i have step on an interesting idea for
a new educative game. Let's keep the hope
to raise the resources to make this game a reality!

> Of course I also have a high level question- what's 
> wrong with just a 5MB index on a CD-ROM? If it is 
> just for disk space, you could compress 
> the index and probably get a significant savings.

Space is not the problem, fast searching in optimized
indexes are the goal. ;-)

Thanks again for your help, Brian!

al

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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu Jul 21 22:00:53 2005
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 20:00:53 -0600
Subject: PC/x-platform development (was Re: embed/install font)
In-Reply-To: <dbokb9$adr$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <dbofsk$rjv$1@sea.gmane.org> <BF052E7E.25AE7%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<dbokb9$adr$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <F7E0FC45-A161-4A06-BFDB-234C36D3DE3B@mangomultimedia.com>

On Jul 21, 2005, at 11:00 AM, Brad Borch wrote:

> Where do I find EnhancedWin.dll??

<http://www.mangomultimedia.com/download/revolution/enhancedwin/ 
EnhancedWin.zip>

I posted a message about this a few days ago.  It has a call that  
will help you limit your app to only one instance on Windows and  
another which will correctly launch email or urls on Windows.   
revGoURL has some problems on occasion.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Multimedia
trevor at mangomultimedia.com




From abecedarian at mac.com  Thu Jul 21 22:03:59 2005
From: abecedarian at mac.com (Russell Martin)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 20:03:59 -0600
Subject: Visual Effects Question
Message-ID: <B7D8B7E4-4096-4E81-9911-D7109F70BA44@mac.com>

Is it possible to have conrols on a card/window that aren't affected  
by visual effects? For instance, is it possible to have forward/back  
buttons that don't move when using visual effects like slide or push?  
If so, how is this done? Thanks.

===========================
Russ Martin
abecedarian at mac.com
russell_martin at yahoo.com



From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Thu Jul 21 22:15:11 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:15:11 +1000
Subject: Printing only selected pages
Message-ID: <B20243DF-ADB6-4DF9-8C13-2667FF373233@genesearch.com.au>

Hi All,

I ran into a problem today, that I am surprised not to have  
encountered before. I use revPrintField to print a multi-page  
document and usually I print it to a PDF and then print selected  
pages if needed. Today I tried printing directly from Revolution  
(this is just a stack that runs from the IDE) and despite selecting  
page 1 to 1 in the print dialog, it tried to print all the pages.

I guess I have a couple of questions:
- does this happen to everyone, in which case I'll bugzilla it?
- is there a workaround?

TIA,
Sarah
Mac OS X 10.4.2



From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Thu Jul 21 22:43:34 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 22:43:34 -0400
Subject: Visual Effects Question
In-Reply-To: <B7D8B7E4-4096-4E81-9911-D7109F70BA44@mac.com>
References: <B7D8B7E4-4096-4E81-9911-D7109F70BA44@mac.com>
Message-ID: <2c88a2774b68c96d09157801dbf7a1b2@adelphia.net>

Russell,

The only way since visual effects are card/window based would be to do 
a move command instead where everything moves but the buttons you want 
to stay put.

on opencard
move grp "movingthings" from 100,30 to 0,30 without messages
end opencard

of course the points should maybe be offscreen depending on how you 
want the effect to look.

HTH

Tom


On Jul 21, 2005, at 10:03 PM, Russell Martin wrote:

> Is it possible to have conrols on a card/window that aren't affected 
> by visual effects? For instance, is it possible to have forward/back 
> buttons that don't move when using visual effects like slide or push? 
> If so, how is this done? Thanks.
>
> ===========================
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Jul 21 22:45:24 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:45:24 -0700
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <p0620070bbf0484c9d278@[69\.85\.136\.57]>
References: <20050720222801.3957E82490E@mail.runrev.com>
	<p0620070bbf0484c9d278@[69.85.136.57]>
Message-ID: <17943861920.20050721194524@ahsoftware.net>

Jim-

Wednesday, July 20, 2005, 4:13:16 PM, you wrote:

>>And even though "alliterate" is among the answers, there are no
>>two-letter symbols that use the same letter twice.

JH> Mark,

JH> The *successive* pairs for "alliterate " are al-li-te-ra-te.

I guess I should learn to be more explict about jokes. If the pairs
are alliterative, I would expect to find "AA" and "RR" among the
element symbols. I'll stare at my chart some more, but I don't think
there are any., even though you included "LA" twice.

Next item:

A helicopter comes out as a Helium-Lithium-Cobalt-Platinum-Erbium
molecule. You're going to have a hard time keeping that together at
room temperature, especially trying to bind the helium atom. I'd
venture to guess that helicopters are impractical and will never fly.

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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Thu Jul 21 22:49:38 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 22:49:38 -0400
Subject: Screen Postion???
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E59F@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E59F@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <5c7da265c4a3ee8d0554a6a9cac4881f@adelphia.net>

set the loc of stack (item i of "partners, aboutUs, location, contact") 
to tCurLoc

or better yet

put item i of "partners, aboutUs, location, contact" into tmystack
set the loc of stack tmystack to tcurLoc

unless of course the tCurLoc does not have full coordinates in it???

Tom McGrath

On Jul 21, 2005, at 1:48 PM, Ban Nguyen wrote:

>
> I am trying to use this code and I give me an error:
>
>      	executing at 10:45:16 AM
> Type	Chunk: can't find stack
> Object	main
> Line	set the loc of stack item i of "partners, aboutUs, location,
> contact" to tCurLoc
> Hint	stack "main.rev"
>
>
> -------------------------------------
> You could try to set the position of your stacks relative to the
> screenRect value in a preOpenStack handler in your main stack.
> For instance:
>
> on preOpenStack
>    local tCurLoc
>    -----
>    put the screenLoc into tCurLoc
>    set the loc of this stack to tCurLoc
>    repeat with i = 1 to 5
>      add x to item 1 of tCurLoc -- horizontal co-ordinate
>      add y to item 2 of tCurLoc -- vertical co-ordinate
>      set the loc of stack  item i of  "MySubstack1, MySubstack2, etc"
> to tCurLoc
>    end repeat
> end preOpenStack
>
> Such a handler will present the main stack centred on- screen and the
> others in cascade according to x and y values.
> Of course, you can change all that to suit your needs (working for
> instance with the screenRect too).
> It's just to get you the idea.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
>> I am creating an application which has one main stack and 5
>> substacks. I
>> lock the size and location using property inspector BUT when I view
>> the
>> application on different computers with different screen setting
>> those 5
>> substacks are displayed in different locations
>>
>> The problem is I don't know how to set the location for those 5
>> substacks so they are displayed in the right position that I set so I
>> don't have to worry about other users' computer screen setting.
>
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Jul 21 23:26:15 2005
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 20:26:15 -0700
Subject: Visual Effects Question
In-Reply-To: <B7D8B7E4-4096-4E81-9911-D7109F70BA44@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BF05B567.1CB63%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Russell Martin  wrote:

> Is it possible to have conrols on a card/window that aren't affected
> by visual effects? For instance, is it possible to have forward/back
> buttons that don't move when using visual effects like slide or push?
> If so, how is this done?

Yes, if you reference one object or a single group of objects.  You do this
by using the hide/show commands.  For example, in an (unaffected) button:

on mouseUp
  if the vis of group 1 then
    hide group 1 with visual effect push right
  else show group 1 with visual effect push left
end mouseUp

When executed, group 1 will disappear/reappear using the designated visual
effect.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Jul 21 23:29:33 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 20:29:33 -0700
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <BF055F79.F1B9%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
References: <BF055F79.F1B9%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
Message-ID: <4546510718.20050721202933@ahsoftware.net>

Dick-

Thursday, July 21, 2005, 2:19:37 PM, you wrote:

DK> Here's a solution that takes 10 milliseconds on a 1GHz PowerBook G4.

That's amazing. I optimized the heck out of my nested loop and it
still runs ten times slower than your array-based algorithm.

However... you're pulling a fast one here. You're getting away with
calling something a boolean when it actually isn't. Apparently
Transcript is letting you get away with this.

"if tSymbolArray[char 1 to 2 of tWord] then"    should really be
"if tSymbolArray[char 1 to 2 of tWord] is not empty then"

Making the change slows things down on my machine from 14 milliseconds
to 18 milliseconds, making it about 30% slower, but still much faster
than anything I could do with repeat loops.

-- 
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From briany at qldlearning.com  Thu Jul 21 23:43:43 2005
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 20:43:43 -0700
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <4546510718.20050721202933@ahsoftware.net>
References: <BF055F79.F1B9%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
	<4546510718.20050721202933@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <701d5f3fb70cc3075df5c9d3b32d6be7@qldlearning.com>

> However... you're pulling a fast one here. You're getting away with
> calling something a boolean when it actually isn't. Apparently
> Transcript is letting you get away with this.
>
> "if tSymbolArray[char 1 to 2 of tWord] then"    should really be
> "if tSymbolArray[char 1 to 2 of tWord] is not empty then"

Well, to be fair, even a strongly-typed language like C lets you do the 
same sort of things.
false is frequently defined as "everything other than true".

if/else is usually interpreted as "if TRUE then do this, OTHERWISE do 
this", not "if TRUE then do this, if FALSE do this".

In C, you get things like:

if (0)...
if ('') ...
if (NULL)...

etc... which all evaluate to false.

Of course when speed is not critical, it's easier to read if you say 
things like:

"if (condition = TRUE)"    instead of    "if (condition)"

As such the point is well taken, but I think it's actually accepted 
practice in most languages to do the latter.

- Brian



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Thu Jul 21 23:55:40 2005
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 20:55:40 -0700
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <20050722023539.09E31824913@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050722023539.09E31824913@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <13e2c11660de97a08523715cce402ce3@interisland.net>

Hello Dick,

> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:19:37 -0700
> From: Dick Kriesel <dick.kriesel at mail.com>
> Subject: Re: NPR puzzle

Question:
>
>   repeat for each word tWord in field 1
>     if tSymbolArray[char 1 to 2 of tWord] then
>       if tSymbolArray[char 3 to 4 of tWord] then
>         if tSymbolArray[char 5 to 6 of tWord] then
>           if tSymbolArray[char 7 to 8 of tWord] then
>             if tSymbolArray[char 9 to 10 of tWord] then
>               put tWord & return after tHits
>             end if
>           end if
>         end if
>       end if
>     end if
>   end repeat

If you want speed, can you replace this with a switch/case structure?

All the best,
Ken N.



From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Thu Jul 21 23:57:52 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:57:52 +1000
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <4546510718.20050721202933@ahsoftware.net>
References: <BF055F79.F1B9%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
	<4546510718.20050721202933@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <CA16FBFC-9991-4C0C-B618-DA5065A613B2@genesearch.com.au>

> However... you're pulling a fast one here. You're getting away with
> calling something a boolean when it actually isn't. Apparently
> Transcript is letting you get away with this.
>
> "if tSymbolArray[char 1 to 2 of tWord] then"    should really be
> "if tSymbolArray[char 1 to 2 of tWord] is not empty then"
>

Dick's solution set up the initial array by putting "true" into each  
element, so I think his syntax is perfectly correct :-)

>   repeat for each line tSymbol in field 2
>     put "true" into tSymbolArray[tSymbol]
>   end repeat

It was a great solution. I thought that putting the field data into  
variables first might speed things up, but it didn't, so the "repeat  
for each" loops must grab the complete set of data before they start.  
Very efficient.

Cheers,
Sarah



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jul 22 00:17:34 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:17:34 -0700
Subject: Automator?
Message-ID: <42E0735E.1040809@fourthworld.com>

Any of you adding Automator support to your apps?

<http://developer.apple.com/macosx/automatormarket.html>

--
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  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jul 22 00:48:13 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:48:13 -0700
Subject: XML questions
Message-ID: <8151231286.20050721214813@ahsoftware.net>

All-

I started playing around with the revXML functions today instead of
just rolling my own as usual, and a few questions came up:

1. There seem to be many functions for reading and parsing XML files
into the proper format and they seem to work fine after enough
fiddling with them, but very few functions for writing data. There
still needs to be a fair amount of packaging data for the addElement
and addAttribute functions. There doesn't seem to be any support for
CDATA tags unless I'm missing something. Is there something I missed?
Do I still need to encapsulate this in my own CDATA tags?

2. What in the world is revXMLAddDTD for? I know what a DTD is and I
can validate my xml tree against a DTD, but why would I want to add a
DTD to an existing XML tree?

3. I take it there's no support for xml schemas here, just DTDs.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From b.xavier at internet.lu  Fri Jul 22 00:51:07 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 06:51:07 +0200
Subject: Automator?
In-Reply-To: <42E0735E.1040809@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <20050722044158.5F57C8248D3@mail.runrev.com>

Hi Richard

No, not really. For one it's Mac ONLY and second with TAOO in mind (because
i know its capabilities can do this within Rev) I could do this in Rev on
all platforms and across different script languages (if not real languages).

The idea is nice though. But still it's just another approach to
AppleScripts (is Apple rethinking itself again?) without them which means
you will have to wait until the App makers develop this capability in full
(or is this already done via Applescript?)...

My intermediary revScript Contest entry was built based on the taoo (an OOP)
model and supposed to work like these automators using almost any keywords
(assuming you've built the methods and objectual functions for the class
you're using). 

Unfortunately, doing control statements in a dynamic fashion proved a bit
more tortuous than i had intended for the contest - though it's not
impossible... And the xml-form (though ugly) gives me a couple ideas to
resolve this issue ;)

Definitely interesting - but for a limited market which no PC or linux user
will see the benefit (95% of the market still?). Meanwhile a rev based
solution for all-platform solutions could be implemented quite easily...

Sorry but as a multi-national, multi-OS aware power user, i fail to see the
benefit of a single platform solution. As with most life situations, the
analogy with tourism springs to mind: a bilingual tourist will definitely
fare better and farter than a monolingual non-native tourist in a foreign
country... In rev terms, my taoo solution will work with VBS objects or
applescript objects and even this automator should i build a TAOO
class-manager for it. I find that much more useful than a single-os
technology with a limited product-lifecycle (will Automator still exists in
OSX v15? After 15 years, TAOO rocks on with the same technology while others
had to reinvent the wheel each time... I just copy pasted my scripts and
most just worked right of the bat in Rev!

Im sure if Apple started making more cross-platform tools like they have
done with QT, they would gobble more market percentages (thanks to their
great GUIs). Surely you dont want to be confined in a tourist bus to
discover europe in 7 days when you could instead discover the real europe
and its many cultures equipped with a universal translator and make "real"
contact with the outside world - Europe or whatever country you visit! ;)

Just me two economist's euro-cents... No offenses meant - just marketing
realism. Critiques welcome!

cheers
Xavier
http://monsieurx.com


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> Richard Gaskin
> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 06:18
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Automator?
> 
> Any of you adding Automator support to your apps?
> 
> <http://developer.apple.com/macosx/automatormarket.html>
> 
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From b.xavier at internet.lu  Fri Jul 22 00:56:14 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 06:56:14 +0200
Subject: Pre-release WinNO2 beta testers needed
Message-ID: <20050722044656.E5DD98248F4@mail.runrev.com>

Hi there,
 
Im coming out with a new version of the WinNO2 plugin - the ultimate
Rev-Window/Stack manager.
New skin, new menus, revised features... 

http://monsieurx.com/hyper/xos/screenshots/WinNO2.png

Rev or Metacard ready. But I have no way of testing it on OSX or linux (im
working on a way to test it on solaris soon)... Im looking for some beta
testers who can spare a bit of their time and critiques for a better final
release. 

Those interested, please contact me off-list. Those who help with any fixes
or comments will get a free license, free support and upgrades - offer
available only while bugs supply lasts ;).

cheers
Xavier
http://monsieurx.com



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul 22 02:01:53 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:01:53 +0200
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <BF055F79.F1B9%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
References: <BF055F79.F1B9%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
Message-ID: <C579A334-197E-4E45-9FD0-96981F4B5270@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Dick,

Kudos!

As Sarah pointed it out, I was surprised to find out that putting the  
fields into some variables first did not speed up the things as I  
would have thought.
Good to know.
Let us think array :-)

Le 21 juil. 05 ? 23:19, Dick Kriesel a ?crit :

> Here's a solution that takes 10 milliseconds on a 1GHz PowerBook G4.
>
> The main reason for the speed improvement over previous solutions  
> is that
> array look-ups are typically faster than string searches.
>
>   put the milliseconds into tMilliseconds
>   repeat for each line tSymbol in field 2
>     put "true" into tSymbolArray[tSymbol]
>   end repeat
>   repeat for each word tWord in field 1
>     if tSymbolArray[char 1 to 2 of tWord] then
>       if tSymbolArray[char 3 to 4 of tWord] then
>         if tSymbolArray[char 5 to 6 of tWord] then
>           if tSymbolArray[char 7 to 8 of tWord] then
>             if tSymbolArray[char 9 to 10 of tWord] then
>               put tWord & return after tHits
>             end if
>           end if
>         end if
>       end if
>     end if
>   end repeat
>   put the milliseconds - tMilliseconds \
>       into tElapsedMilliseconds
>   put number of lines in tHits && "hits in" \
>       && tElapsedMilliseconds && "milliseconds" \
>       & return & return & tHits

Best Regards from Paris,

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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 22 02:50:22 2005
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:50:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: XML questions
In-Reply-To: <8151231286.20050721214813@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <20050722065022.99113.qmail@web60515.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
> All-
> 
> I started playing around with the revXML functions
> today instead of
> just rolling my own as usual, and a few questions
> came up:
> 
> 1. There seem to be many functions for reading and
> parsing XML files
> into the proper format and they seem to work fine
> after enough
> fiddling with them, but very few functions for
> writing data. There
> still needs to be a fair amount of packaging data
> for the addElement
> and addAttribute functions. There doesn't seem to be
> any support for
> CDATA tags unless I'm missing something. Is there
> something I missed?
> Do I still need to encapsulate this in my own CDATA
> tags?
> 
> 2. What in the world is revXMLAddDTD for? I know
> what a DTD is and I
> can validate my xml tree against a DTD, but why
> would I want to add a
> DTD to an existing XML tree?
> 
> 3. I take it there's no support for xml schemas
> here, just DTDs.
> 
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> 

Hi Mark,

Your remarks are quite accurate. I use the library
mostly for reading data, and write the XML by hand.

1. My favourite command for writing to a tree is
revAppendXML, as this allows me to toss in a chunk of
XML data, and have it parsed into the tree instantly.

2. I'm not entirely sure about revXMLAddDTD either. I
presumed it would mean spitting out the tree into text
would insert a reference to a DTD, but it didn't.
Maybe further testing will show that this is meant for
embedding a DTD into your tree.

3. There's no support for XSD, XSL and all those other
goodies. But I know they're on the RR radar, and the
more people request them, the higher the chance to get
them sooner.

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam - Tools for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 22 02:59:53 2005
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:59:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Printing only selected pages
In-Reply-To: <B20243DF-ADB6-4DF9-8C13-2667FF373233@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <20050722065953.37555.qmail@web60523.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Sarah Reichelt <sarahr at genesearch.com.au> wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I ran into a problem today, that I am surprised not
> to have  
> encountered before. I use revPrintField to print a
> multi-page  
> document and usually I print it to a PDF and then
> print selected  
> pages if needed. Today I tried printing directly
> from Revolution  
> (this is just a stack that runs from the IDE) and
> despite selecting  
> page 1 to 1 in the print dialog, it tried to print
> all the pages.
> 
> I guess I have a couple of questions:
> - does this happen to everyone, in which case I'll
> bugzilla it?
> - is there a workaround?
> 
> TIA,
> Sarah
> 

Hi Sarah,

The revPrintField and revPrintText commands are not
designed to handle this. You could hack these
yourself, but unfortunately, the engine does not give
us a way to determine which pages the user wanted to
print.
I noticed that SuperCard 4.5 has a new 'printRange'
property. Naturally, I'm one of the people who hope
that this will be added to Revolution soon.

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam - Tools for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

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From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Fri Jul 22 04:51:58 2005
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:51:58 +0100
Subject: Indexing mail list messages
In-Reply-To: <20050722013606.82189.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050722013606.82189.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C65529A4-CDF9-4E56-8D8C-894CF9853EE3@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 22 Jul 2005, at 02:36, Alejandro Tejada wrote:

Just one small observation:

>
>
>   repeat for each line w in fileContent
>     add 1 to mylinecount
>     repeat for each word z in w
>       put mylinecount & comma after wordCount[z]
>     end repeat
>   end repeat


z will include any puntuation attached to words, so  
"script","script,", "script?", etc. will be indexed separately.  
(Unless I missed the point where you accounted for this.)

Cheers
Dave


From david at openpartnership.net  Fri Jul 22 07:15:13 2005
From: david at openpartnership.net (david bovill)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:15:13 +0200
Subject: Project Registry
In-Reply-To: <1e2.407d4749.3011a148@aol.com>
References: <1e2.407d4749.3011a148@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4713a02f458d094ae737840f1c988745@openpartnership.net>

In brief - as deadlines today:

Scrum / Product / Sprint catalogs all come from the synthesis of 
software project management methodology known as Agile Development - 
heavily influenced by the better known extreme programming  ideas. Good 
starting point as ever is Wikipedia - I'll put up some links and PDFs 
on the weekend.

Shards is a particular contract / digital currency that is based on the 
theory and software implementation of Ricardian Contracts - which is 
the work of a friend of mine Ian Grigg from Systemics Inc going back to 
the days of David Chaum / DigiCash. There is plenty of badly presented 
text on the web about this which I'm currently working on to gather the 
bits into one place.

On 22 Jul 2005, at 03:09, SimPLsol at aol.com wrote:

> David,
>  ???? It has been a full day, sorry it has taken so long to reply.
>  ???? You used some terms with which I am not familiar: Ricardian 
> contract, shards, Scum / Agile Development, Product Backcatalog, and 
> Sprint Backlog. Enlightenment is appreciated.
>  ???? Why would one want to split the revenue instead of the profit?

It is an interesting option, which avoids a kind of "man in the middle 
attack" - that is what is to stop the management from taking the 
revenues and paying themselves unjustified fees? Revenue share is more 
transparent, and has been used relatively recently by large financial 
institutions (Hilton Group / Pension Funds) to raise finance in a way 
which binds all parties together in a common purpose (finance and 
project) - decreasing certain risks which arise from conflicts of 
interest with the more usual profit / finance models. Probably not too 
clear but best I can do in 10 minutes :)

>  ???? With your pledge and mine, the three day total is $300. At this 
> rate, if it takes us a year to get all the details worked out, there 
> might be $36,500 to program it ;-)
>  Paul Looney

From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Fri Jul 22 07:28:27 2005
From: FlexibleLearning at aol.com (FlexibleLearning at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 07:28:27 EDT
Subject: [TIDBIT] A resizeStack button
Message-ID: <8a.2b4ddfbe.3012325b@aol.com>

A tidbit for your Scripter's Scrapbook:
- How  to use a button to resize a stack

Put this in the script of a button  called "resizeMe", placed at the 
bottomRight of your stack...

on  mouseMove
if the mouse is up then pass mouseMove
put the  topLeft of this stack into tTL
put globalLoc(the mouseLoc) into  tML
put max(the minWidth of this stack + item 1 of tTL,item 1 of tML)  \
into item 1 of tML
put max(the  minHeight of this stack + item 2 of tTL,item 2 of tML)  \
into item 2 of tML
set the rect of  this stack to tTL,tML
end mouseMove

and this in your stack  script...

on resizeStack
set the bottomRight of btn "resizeMe"  to the bottomRight of this card
end resizeStack

-----

/H
The  Scripter's Scrapbook
www.FlexibleLearning.com/ssbk.htm  



From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Fri Jul 22 07:29:07 2005
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 07:29:07 -0400
Subject: Printing only selected pages
In-Reply-To: <20050722065953.37555.qmail@web60523.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BF0650C3.D803%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

I notice that when printing in runrev with dialogue true the dialogue will
not allow you to enter the number of pages you wish to print unless you
first change it to another printer and then change back. This started since
tiger and doesn't happen in other applications.


On 7/22/05 2:59 AM, "Jan Schenkel" <janschenkel at yahoo.com> wrote:

> --- Sarah Reichelt <sarahr at genesearch.com.au> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I ran into a problem today, that I am surprised not
>> to have  
>> encountered before. I use revPrintField to print a
>> multi-page  
>> document and usually I print it to a PDF and then
>> print selected  
>> pages if needed. Today I tried printing directly
>> from Revolution 
>> (this is just a stack that runs from the IDE) and
>> despite selecting
>> page 1 to 1 in the print dialog, it tried to print
>> all the pages.
>> 
>> I guess I have a couple of questions:
>> - does this happen to everyone, in which case I'll
>> bugzilla it?
>> - is there a workaround?
>> 
>> TIA,
>> Sarah
>> 
> 
> Hi Sarah,
> 
> The revPrintField and revPrintText commands are not
> designed to handle this. You could hack these
> yourself, but unfortunately, the engine does not give
> us a way to determine which pages the user wanted to
> print.
> I noticed that SuperCard 4.5 has a new 'printRange'
> property. Naturally, I'm one of the people who hope
> that this will be added to Revolution soon.
> 
> Jan Schenkel.
> 
> Quartam - Tools for Revolution
> <http://www.quartam.com>
> 
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From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Fri Jul 22 08:14:59 2005
From: FlexibleLearning at aol.com (FlexibleLearning at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:14:59 EDT
Subject: Anomolous is among
Message-ID: <1e9.4066345a.30123d43@aol.com>

put "penguin" is among the words of "1 2 3 4" =  FALSE

put "penguin" is among the words of "1 2 3 4 " = TRUE

hmm.  Comments?

/H  



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul 22 08:21:28 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:21:28 +0200
Subject: Anomolous is among
In-Reply-To: <1e9.4066345a.30123d43@aol.com>
References: <1e9.4066345a.30123d43@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CE812284-7F63-401C-B363-12FE4A4F0DE3@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Hugh,

Since put "penguin" is among the items of "1,2,3,4, " =  FALSE
The extra space seems to allow any word to be "recognised"...
I would be inclined to name this a real bug :-(

Le 22 juil. 05 ? 14:14, FlexibleLearning at aol.com a ?crit :

> put "penguin" is among the words of "1 2 3 4" =  FALSE
> put "penguin" is among the words of "1 2 3 4 " = TRUE
>
> hmm.  Comments?
>
> /H


Best Regards from Paris,

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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul 22 08:32:08 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:32:08 +0200
Subject: [TIDBIT] A resizeStack button
In-Reply-To: <8a.2b4ddfbe.3012325b@aol.com>
References: <8a.2b4ddfbe.3012325b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0B029653-8504-432E-929B-86D54A8FC2EE@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Hugh,

You have a good script too in Rev Object Library.
The scripted control is named "Mac Style Resizer"

Le 22 juil. 05 ? 13:28, FlexibleLearning at aol.com a ?crit :

> A tidbit for your Scripter's Scrapbook:
> - How  to use a button to resize a stack
>
> Put this in the script of a button  called "resizeMe", placed at the
> bottomRight of your stack...
>
> on  mouseMove
> if the mouse is up then pass mouseMove
> put the  topLeft of this stack into tTL
> put globalLoc(the mouseLoc) into  tML
> put max(the minWidth of this stack + item 1 of tTL,item 1 of tML)  \
> into item 1 of tML
> put max(the  minHeight of this stack + item 2 of tTL,item 2 of tML)  \
> into item 2 of tML
> set the rect of  this stack to tTL,tML
> end mouseMove
>
> and this in your stack  script...
>
> on resizeStack
> set the bottomRight of btn "resizeMe"  to the bottomRight of this card
> end resizeStack

Best Regards from Paris,

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From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 22 08:55:42 2005
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 05:55:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Indexing mail list messages
In-Reply-To: <20050722120653.33E95824931@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20050722125542.93965.qmail@web40525.mail.yahoo.com>

on Fri, 22 Jul 2005 
Dave Cragg wrote:

> Just one small observation:
> >   repeat for each line w in fileContent
> >     add 1 to mylinecount
> >     repeat for each word z in w
> >       put mylinecount & comma after wordCount[z]
> >     end repeat
> >   end repeat
> z will include any puntuation attached to words, so 
> "script","script,", "script?", etc. will be indexed
> separately.  
> (Unless I missed the point where you accounted for
> this.)

You are right. This first version handler
will include words with any punctuation attached.
This is wrong. :-(

i'm working to apply the advices that alex and brian
generously provide last night.
When i have a complete handler that implements
all their recomendations, i'll post the results.

Did you have a regex that could handle these
words with punctuation?

Thanks in advance.

al 
 

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From xbury.cs at clearstream.com  Fri Jul 22 08:59:02 2005
From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:59:02 +0200
Subject: Indexing mail list messages
In-Reply-To: <20050722125542.93965.qmail@web40525.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OF57A5B8C7.39A4C01D-ONC1257046.004739CB-C1257046.00473C3F@deutsche-boerse.com>

Al,

To remove the RevWordDefitiency, just replace "," with " " in yourtext

do the same for any punctuation, and all non-wordy characters the
RevWordDefitiency implies!

cheers
Xavier

On 22/07/2005 14:55:42 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>on Fri, 22 Jul 2005
>Dave Cragg wrote:
>
>> Just one small observation:
>> >   repeat for each line w in fileContent
>> >     add 1 to mylinecount
>> >     repeat for each word z in w
>> >       put mylinecount & comma after wordCount[z]
>> >     end repeat
>> >   end repeat
>> z will include any puntuation attached to words, so
>> "script","script,", "script?", etc. will be indexed
>> separately.
>> (Unless I missed the point where you accounted for
>> this.)
>
>You are right. This first version handler
>will include words with any punctuation attached.
>This is wrong. :-(
>
>i'm working to apply the advices that alex and brian
>generously provide last night.
>When i have a complete handler that implements
>all their recomendations, i'll post the results.
>
>Did you have a regex that could handle these
>words with punctuation?
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>al
>
>
>Visit my site:
>http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/
>
>
>
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From jhurley at infostations.com  Fri Jul 22 09:09:11 2005
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 06:09:11 -0700
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <20050722023539.1C0D7824914@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050722023539.1C0D7824914@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p06200700bf069d42f94c@[69.19.229.100]>

>
>Message: 8
>Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:19:37 -0700
>From: Dick Kriesel <dick.kriesel at mail.com>
>Subject: Re: NPR puzzle
>To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>Message-ID: <BF055F79.F1B9%dick.kriesel at mail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"
>
>Here's a solution that takes 10 milliseconds on a 1GHz PowerBook G4.
>
>The main reason for the speed improvement over previous solutions is that
>array look-ups are typically faster than string searches.
>
>   put the milliseconds into tMilliseconds
>   repeat for each line tSymbol in field 2
>     put "true" into tSymbolArray[tSymbol]
>   end repeat
>   repeat for each word tWord in field 1
>     if tSymbolArray[char 1 to 2 of tWord] then
>       if tSymbolArray[char 3 to 4 of tWord] then
>         if tSymbolArray[char 5 to 6 of tWord] then
>           if tSymbolArray[char 7 to 8 of tWord] then
>             if tSymbolArray[char 9 to 10 of tWord] then
>               put tWord & return after tHits
>             end if
>           end if
>         end if
>       end if
>     end if
>   end repeat
>   put the milliseconds - tMilliseconds \
>       into tElapsedMilliseconds
>   put number of lines in tHits && "hits in" \
>       && tElapsedMilliseconds && "milliseconds" \
>       & return & return & tHits
>
>-- Dick

Dick,

Dazzling!

Jim


From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Fri Jul 22 09:19:23 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:19:23 -0400
Subject: NPR puzzle
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445F6@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

This method has made me realize how I can alter the spellcheck routine
we use at work...

Instead of checking to see if each word is in the list (174,000 words!)
I will split the list into an array, with each key named for the word,
and do what he did here! 

Who'd've thought that a fun puzzle would lead to acquiring such an
important bit of knowledge?

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hurley
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 9:09 AM
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Subject: Re: NPR puzzle

>
>Message: 8
>Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:19:37 -0700
>From: Dick Kriesel <dick.kriesel at mail.com>
>Subject: Re: NPR puzzle
>To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>Message-ID: <BF055F79.F1B9%dick.kriesel at mail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"
>
>Here's a solution that takes 10 milliseconds on a 1GHz PowerBook G4.
>
>The main reason for the speed improvement over previous solutions is
that
>array look-ups are typically faster than string searches.
>
>   put the milliseconds into tMilliseconds
>   repeat for each line tSymbol in field 2
>     put "true" into tSymbolArray[tSymbol]
>   end repeat
>   repeat for each word tWord in field 1
>     if tSymbolArray[char 1 to 2 of tWord] then
>       if tSymbolArray[char 3 to 4 of tWord] then
>         if tSymbolArray[char 5 to 6 of tWord] then
>           if tSymbolArray[char 7 to 8 of tWord] then
>             if tSymbolArray[char 9 to 10 of tWord] then
>               put tWord & return after tHits
>             end if
>           end if
>         end if
>       end if
>     end if
>   end repeat
>   put the milliseconds - tMilliseconds \
>       into tElapsedMilliseconds
>   put number of lines in tHits && "hits in" \
>       && tElapsedMilliseconds && "milliseconds" \
>       & return & return & tHits
>
>-- Dick

Dick,

Dazzling!

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From paolo.mazza at neol.it  Fri Jul 22 09:36:10 2005
From: paolo.mazza at neol.it (paolo mazza)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:36:10 +0200
Subject: CGI MAC OSX
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445F6@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445F6@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <fc.000f58e5009fc3cf3b9aca001fee1469.9fc3dd@fc.neol.it>

Hi revs,
I am looking for a MAC OSX  engine of Revolution. I need to install it in
a MAC OSX server as CGI.
In the ftp.runrev.com  I found the REV 2.5 engines for WINDOWS and LINUX.
Where can I find the engine for the MAC OS X ?
Best regards

Paolo Mazza



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul 22 09:36:27 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:36:27 +0200
Subject: CGI MAC OSX
In-Reply-To: <fc.000f58e5009fc3cf3b9aca001fee1469.9fc3dd@fc.neol.it>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445F6@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
	<fc.000f58e5009fc3cf3b9aca001fee1469.9fc3dd@fc.neol.it>
Message-ID: <8D007A3C-DB74-4006-84D1-5ACEF42735E9@sosmartsoftware.com>

Benvenuto Paolo,

http://downloads.runrev.com/revolution/

Le 22 juil. 05 ? 15:36, paolo mazza a ?crit :

> Hi revs,
> I am looking for a MAC OSX  engine of Revolution. I need to install  
> it in
> a MAC OSX server as CGI.
> In the ftp.runrev.com  I found the REV 2.5 engines for WINDOWS and  
> LINUX.
> Where can I find the engine for the MAC OS X ?
> Best regards


Riguardi migliori da Parigi,

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From xbury.cs at clearstream.com  Fri Jul 22 09:58:26 2005
From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:58:26 +0200
Subject: # POSSIBLY SPAM #::Anomolous is among
In-Reply-To: <1e9.4066345a.30123d43@aol.com>
Message-ID: <OFEE0D72E3.76895279-ONC1257046.004C9079-C1257046.004CACB8@deutsche-boerse.com>

Fantastic, we have quantum word amongness functions in rev now ;)

Reminds me the joke:
Q: Ever seen an elephant hidden behind a light post?
A: no...
Reply: Well hidden, wasn't it? ;))


On 22/07/2005 14:14:59 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>put "penguin" is among the words of "1 2 3 4" =  FALSE
>
>put "penguin" is among the words of "1 2 3 4 " = TRUE
>
>hmm.  Comments?
>
>/H
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From markgreenberg at cox.net  Fri Jul 22 10:09:34 2005
From: markgreenberg at cox.net (Mark Greenberg)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 07:09:34 -0700
Subject: Anomolous is among
In-Reply-To: <20050722120653.1E099824928@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3AF80CAA-FABA-11D9-9661-000A959B61BE@cox.net>

Of course, in the extreme white space regions, that's where penguins 
live.  (Sorry, couldn't resist.  : )

           Mark

On Friday, July 22, 2005, at 05:06 AM, 
use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> put "penguin" is among the words of "1 2 3 4" =  FALSE
>
> put "penguin" is among the words of "1 2 3 4 " = TRUE

From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Fri Jul 22 10:32:11 2005
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:32:11 +0100
Subject: Indexing mail list messages
In-Reply-To: <20050722125542.93965.qmail@web40525.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050722125542.93965.qmail@web40525.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C82F65B6-3D81-42E2-81E3-6ABDDBB5C452@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 22 Jul 2005, at 13:55, Alejandro Tejada wrote:
>
> Did you have a regex that could handle these
> words with punctuation?

No regex, but I've used this sequence of replace calls in the past.

     replace quote with space in tData
     replace "(" with space in tData
     replace "[" with space in tData
     replace "{" with space in tData
     replace ")" with space in tData
     replace "]" with space in tData
     replace "}" with space in tData

     replace "," with space in tData
     replace ":" with space in tData
     replace ";" with space in tData
     replace "." with space in tData

     replace "?" with space in tData
     replace "!" with space in tData

     replace "*" with space in tData
     replace "#" with space in tData
     replace "/" with space in tData
     replace "`" with space in tData


However, you should probably give this some thought. For example, if  
you replace  "." and "/", you will break up urls which may not be a  
good idea in all situations. In that case, it might be better to just  
replace a "." that is followed by a space or return.

   replace ". " with space & space in tData
   replace "." & return with space & return in tData

The reason for replacing with an equal number of characters is that I  
understand it's much faster. (From previous discussion on the list.)

Cheers
Dave


From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Fri Jul 22 11:04:53 2005
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:04:53 -0700
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <p06200700bf069d42f94c@[69.19.229.100]>
References: <20050722023539.1C0D7824914@mail.runrev.com>
	<p06200700bf069d42f94c@[69.19.229.100]>
Message-ID: <CE0BDA59-691C-4540-B44B-D25AC8286C73@inspiredlogic.com>

The engine optimizes the tests in conditionals. So in this statement:

if a=3 and b=2 then...

b never gets evaluated if a is not 3. I rewrote Dick's very nice code  
using this principle, to get rid of the nested if statements.  
Interestingly, my code slowed down a couple milliseconds. Just from  
13 to 15, but I wonder why that might be. Maybe the engine goes to  
the trouble of getting the substrings before doing the tests.

Here's the code:

   put the milliseconds into tMilliseconds
   repeat for each line tSymbol in field 2
     put "true" into S[tSymbol]
   end repeat
   repeat for each word W in field 1
     if S[char 1 to 2 of W] and \
         S[char 3 to 4 of W] and \
         S[char 5 to 6 of W] and \
         S[char 7 to 8 of W] and \
         S[char 9 to 10 of W] then \
         put W & return after tHits
   end repeat
   put the milliseconds - tMilliseconds into tElapsedMilliseconds
   put number of lines in tHits && "hits in" \
       && tElapsedMilliseconds && "milliseconds" \
       & return & return & tHits

On Jul 22, 2005, at 6:09 AM, Jim Hurley wrote:

>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:19:37 -0700
>> From: Dick Kriesel <dick.kriesel at mail.com>
>> Subject: Re: NPR puzzle
>> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>> Message-ID: <BF055F79.F1B9%dick.kriesel at mail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="US-ASCII"
>>
>> Here's a solution that takes 10 milliseconds on a 1GHz PowerBook G4.
>>
>> The main reason for the speed improvement over previous solutions  
>> is that
>> array look-ups are typically faster than string searches.
>>
>>   put the milliseconds into tMilliseconds
>>   repeat for each line tSymbol in field 2
>>     put "true" into tSymbolArray[tSymbol]
>>   end repeat
>>   repeat for each word tWord in field 1
>>     if tSymbolArray[char 1 to 2 of tWord] then
>>       if tSymbolArray[char 3 to 4 of tWord] then
>>         if tSymbolArray[char 5 to 6 of tWord] then
>>           if tSymbolArray[char 7 to 8 of tWord] then
>>             if tSymbolArray[char 9 to 10 of tWord] then
>>               put tWord & return after tHits
>>             end if
>>           end if
>>         end if
>>       end if
>>     end if
>>   end repeat
>>   put the milliseconds - tMilliseconds \
>>       into tElapsedMilliseconds
>>   put number of lines in tHits && "hits in" \
>>       && tElapsedMilliseconds && "milliseconds" \
>>       & return & return & tHits
>>
>> -- Dick
>>
>
> Dick,
>
> Dazzling!
>
> Jim
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jul 22 11:10:27 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:10:27 -0700
Subject: XML questions
In-Reply-To: <20050722065022.99113.qmail@web60515.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050722065022.99113.qmail@web60515.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <402220803.20050722081027@ahsoftware.net>

Jan-

Thursday, July 21, 2005, 11:50:22 PM, you wrote:

JS> 1. My favourite command for writing to a tree is
JS> revAppendXML, as this allows me to toss in a chunk of
JS> XML data, and have it parsed into the tree instantly.

Thanks for the confirmation. RevAppendXML also seems to be the only
builtin command that can handle the CDATA elements. The other append
commands insist on converting the "<" and ">" tags into "&lt;" and
"&gt;" and there doesn't seem to be any way of escaping the literal
chars. What I find annoying about revAppendXML, though, is the
inability to append literal data into an existing node. Node creation
and appending of data must be done in a single step.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jul 22 11:15:33 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:15:33 -0700
Subject: Anomolous is among
In-Reply-To: <1e9.4066345a.30123d43@aol.com>
References: <1e9.4066345a.30123d43@aol.com>
Message-ID: <242527023.20050722081533@ahsoftware.net>

Hugh-

Friday, July 22, 2005, 5:14:59 AM, you wrote:

Fac> put "penguin" is among the words of "1 2 3 4" =  FALSE

Fac> put "penguin" is among the words of "1 2 3 4 " = TRUE

Fac> hmm.  Comments?

Must be a messagebox thing. This works fine in a button script:

on mouseUp
  local xyz
  
  put "1 2 3 4 " into xyz
  put "penguin" is among the words of xyz
end mouseUp

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jul 22 11:31:00 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:31:00 -0700
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <701d5f3fb70cc3075df5c9d3b32d6be7@qldlearning.com>
References: <BF055F79.F1B9%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
	<4546510718.20050721202933@ahsoftware.net>
	<701d5f3fb70cc3075df5c9d3b32d6be7@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <653454557.20050722083100@ahsoftware.net>

Brian-

Thursday, July 21, 2005, 8:43:43 PM, you wrote:

BY> Well, to be fair, even a strongly-typed language like C lets you do the
BY> same sort of things.
BY> false is frequently defined as "everything other than true".

BY> if/else is usually interpreted as "if TRUE then do this, OTHERWISE do
BY> this", not "if TRUE then do this, if FALSE do this".

By that reasoning, anything not TRUE is FALSE. Carried to its logical
conclusion,

on mouseUp
  local xyz
  
  put 1234 into xyz
  if xyz is false then
    put "xyz evaluates to FALSE"
  else
    put "xyz evaluates to TRUE"
  end if
end mouseUp

should provide "FALSE", since 1234 isn't FALSE. Obviously this doesn't
happen. There's nothing you can put into xyz other than "false" that
will evaluate to FALSE.

-- 
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jul 22 11:35:29 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:35:29 -0700
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <CA16FBFC-9991-4C0C-B618-DA5065A613B2@genesearch.com.au>
References: <BF055F79.F1B9%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
	<4546510718.20050721202933@ahsoftware.net>
	<CA16FBFC-9991-4C0C-B618-DA5065A613B2@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <1793723023.20050722083529@ahsoftware.net>

Sarah-

Thursday, July 21, 2005, 8:57:52 PM, you wrote:

SR> Dick's solution set up the initial array by putting "true" into each
SR> element, so I think his syntax is perfectly correct :-)

It's not the true part of the conditional I'm taking issue with, but
the false part; the assumption that anything not explicitly "true" is
"false".

SR> It was a great solution. I thought that putting the field data into

Indeed.

-- 
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul 22 11:40:53 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 17:40:53 +0200
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <653454557.20050722083100@ahsoftware.net>
References: <BF055F79.F1B9%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
	<4546510718.20050721202933@ahsoftware.net>
	<701d5f3fb70cc3075df5c9d3b32d6be7@qldlearning.com>
	<653454557.20050722083100@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <9A317847-05DB-4E3B-ADCA-27B0A32ECAFD@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Mark,

Strictly speaking, anything "not TRUE" is "FALSE" is correct:

on mouseUp
   local xyz
   put 1234 into xyz
   if not xyz then put false
   else put true
end mouseUp

And you tried anything "FALSE" is "not TRUE" :-)

Le 22 juil. 05 ? 17:31, Mark Wieder a ?crit :

> By that reasoning, anything not TRUE is FALSE. Carried to its logical
> conclusion,
>
> on mouseUp
>   local xyz
>
>   put 1234 into xyz
>   if xyz is false then
>     put "xyz evaluates to FALSE"
>   else
>     put "xyz evaluates to TRUE"
>   end if
> end mouseUp
>
> should provide "FALSE", since 1234 isn't FALSE. Obviously this doesn't
> happen. There's nothing you can put into xyz other than "false" that


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From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Fri Jul 22 12:13:45 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:13:45 -0400
Subject: NPR puzzle
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A99680DB@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

I just applied this technique to a spellchecker we use for a program at
work...

Holy freakin' cow! 

It was ultrafast - I mean, like nearly instant. Much faster than the
spellchecker on MSWord

Thanks Dick!

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Wieder
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 11:35 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: NPR puzzle

Sarah-

Thursday, July 21, 2005, 8:57:52 PM, you wrote:

SR> Dick's solution set up the initial array by putting "true" into each
SR> element, so I think his syntax is perfectly correct :-)

It's not the true part of the conditional I'm taking issue with, but
the false part; the assumption that anything not explicitly "true" is
"false".

SR> It was a great solution. I thought that putting the field data into

Indeed.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net

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From revdan at danshafer.com  Fri Jul 22 12:20:54 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:20:54 -0700
Subject: [WAY OT] Macs Show Huge Gains in Corporations
Message-ID: <9B2D3962-A74B-4211-9899-EAA041D20051@danshafer.com>

Just because this llst is so cross-platform-conscious, I thought it  
would be at least marginally interesting to note that a new Jupiter  
Research report says OS X has driven Macs into a much larger share of  
the corporate desktop than at least I had previously thought. Upwards  
of 17% of corporate workers in small to medium-sized companies (some  
with 10,000+ employees) are using OS X on their desktops. ANd OS X  
Server's doing remarkably well, too.

Here's the story: http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/07/21/osx/index.php




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author
http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
 From http://www.revolutionpros.com, Click "My Stuff"





From lestond at lpsoftware.com  Fri Jul 22 14:12:02 2005
From: lestond at lpsoftware.com (Leston Drake)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:12:02 -0700
Subject: Rev won't paste
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20050722110237.01e23470@mail.xmission.com>

Hi all,

I've discovered something quirky with my Rev. I want to simply copy some 
text from a text editor and paste it into a field.
However, the paste command doesn't work. (Windows)

Tried both Ctrl+V or Edit | Paste from the menu.

I've found that if copy my text from my text editor, then in Rev select 
some text in the field, the Edit menu now shows "Paste Text." Then it will 
paste the text properly. But it seems strange that it will not recognize 
Ctrl+V. BTW, it does recognize Ctrl+X (cut), Ctrl+C (copy), and Ctrl+Z (undo).

Has anyone else noticed this? This is in version 2.2.1, not the latest one.

--Leston




From tom.morrison at email.stvincent.edu  Fri Jul 22 13:22:00 2005
From: tom.morrison at email.stvincent.edu (C. Thomas Morrison)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:22:00 -0400
Subject: cursor submarining
Message-ID: <450F0C47-B4C8-4766-A71F-42A2B6C17BD8@email.stvincent.edu>

Hi,

I'm a new RunRevolution (Dreamcard 2.6) user in higher ed.  I've  
quickly thrown together a stack which is simply intended to create an  
email message via the revMail command.  It works fine on my Mac in  
both Dreamcard and Dreamcard Player.  However, when a co-worker tries  
to use the stack on a Windows PC with Player, one of the two problems  
arise:
1)  If he double-clicks on the stack to launch Player, the revMail  
command does not work (it is called when the user clicks on a button  
on a card).
2)  If he launches Player and then opens the stack, the revMail  
command works fine.  However, the cursor submarines under the stack,  
which obviously makes using the stack somewhat of a challenge.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Tom




From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Fri Jul 22 13:22:58 2005
From: FlexibleLearning at aol.com (FlexibleLearning at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:22:58 EDT
Subject: Anomolous is among
Message-ID: <1f2.e24807f.30128572@aol.com>

Try this one, Mark...

on mouseUp
local xyz
put  "1 2 3 4 " into xyz
put ("penguin" is among the words of xyz)  &CR&\
("penguin" is among the words of  "1 2 3 4 ")
end mouseUp

/H




From jhurley at infostations.com  Fri Jul 22 13:31:10 2005
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:31:10 -0700
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <20050722170005.369AA824996@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050722170005.369AA824996@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p06200703bf06dcece522@[69.19.167.204]>

>
>Message: 12
>Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:04:53 -0700
>From: Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com>
>Subject: Re: NPR puzzle
>To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>Message-ID: <CE0BDA59-691C-4540-B44B-D25AC8286C73 at inspiredlogic.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
>The engine optimizes the tests in conditionals. So in this statement:
>
>if a=3 and b=2 then...
>
>b never gets evaluated if a is not 3. I rewrote Dick's very nice code 
>using this principle, to get rid of the nested if statements. 
>Interestingly, my code slowed down a couple milliseconds. Just from 
>13 to 15, but I wonder why that might be. Maybe the engine goes to 
>the trouble of getting the substrings before doing the tests.
>
>Here's the code:
>
>    put the milliseconds into tMilliseconds
>    repeat for each line tSymbol in field 2
>      put "true" into S[tSymbol]
>    end repeat
>    repeat for each word W in field 1
>      if S[char 1 to 2 of W] and \
>          S[char 3 to 4 of W] and \
>          S[char 5 to 6 of W] and \
>          S[char 7 to 8 of W] and \
>          S[char 9 to 10 of W] then \
>          put W & return after tHits
>    end repeat
>    put the milliseconds - tMilliseconds into tElapsedMilliseconds
>    put number of lines in tHits && "hits in" \
>        && tElapsedMilliseconds && "milliseconds" \
>        & return & return & tHits


Geoff,

It appears that RR also does not continue with the nested ifs after 
it gets a false. I put a "beep" after the next to last if in Dick's 
handler and the handler only beeped once.

Jim



From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Fri Jul 22 13:36:01 2005
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 19:36:01 +0200
Subject: Anomolous is among
Message-ID: <42E12E81.1060501@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

On Fri Jul 22   Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net wrote:
 

> Must be a messagebox thing. This works fine in a button script:
>
> on mouseUp
>   local xyz
>  
>   put "1 2 3 4 " into xyz
>   put "penguin" is among the words of xyz
> end mouseUp
>
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net



It isn't a message box thing.

If you leave out the variable and use

put "penguin" is among the words of "1 2 3 4 "

into your script - like in the message box - you get the same result "true".

Hence it must be an engine thing that goes way back, even in Rev 2.1.2 
it is "true".

And it is not an IDE bug as a standalone yields the same results.

--Wilhelm Sanke
<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>




From chris at carroll-davis.co.uk  Fri Jul 22 13:57:01 2005
From: chris at carroll-davis.co.uk (Chris Carroll-Davis)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:57:01 +0100
Subject: Rev won't paste
References: <5.1.1.6.0.20050722110237.01e23470@mail.xmission.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c58ee6$c486ad70$08f2fea9@etlaptop>

Ah!  So I'm not going mad.  I've seen this  weird behaviour and never got to 
the bottom of the mystery.  But try Ctrl+SHIFT+V...??

Mystery.

Chris


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Leston Drake" <lestond at lpsoftware.com>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 7:12 PM
Subject: Rev won't paste


> Hi all,
>
> I've discovered something quirky with my Rev. I want to simply copy some 
> text from a text editor and paste it into a field.
> However, the paste command doesn't work. (Windows)
>
> Tried both Ctrl+V or Edit | Paste from the menu.
>
> I've found that if copy my text from my text editor, then in Rev select 
> some text in the field, the Edit menu now shows "Paste Text." Then it will 
> paste the text properly. But it seems strange that it will not recognize 
> Ctrl+V. BTW, it does recognize Ctrl+X (cut), Ctrl+C (copy), and Ctrl+Z 
> (undo).
>
> Has anyone else noticed this? This is in version 2.2.1, not the latest 
> one.
>
> --Leston
>
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jul 22 14:05:13 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:05:13 -0700
Subject: NPR puzzle
In-Reply-To: <9A317847-05DB-4E3B-ADCA-27B0A32ECAFD@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <BF055F79.F1B9%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
	<4546510718.20050721202933@ahsoftware.net>
	<701d5f3fb70cc3075df5c9d3b32d6be7@qldlearning.com>
	<653454557.20050722083100@ahsoftware.net>
	<9A317847-05DB-4E3B-ADCA-27B0A32ECAFD@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <7912707322.20050722110513@ahsoftware.net>

Eric-

Friday, July 22, 2005, 8:40:53 AM, you wrote:

EC> Strictly speaking, anything "not TRUE" is "FALSE" is correct:

EC> on mouseUp
EC>    local xyz
EC>    put 1234 into xyz
EC>    if not xyz then put false
EC>    else put true
EC> end mouseUp

EC> And you tried anything "FALSE" is "not TRUE" :-)

Right. The point being that "if not xyz" is not the same as "if xyz is
false". It's not really correct that "anything not TRUE is FALSE",
it's simply that anything not TRUE fails the "is true" test. Anything
not "true" is "not true".

Therefore, testing to see is something is false will not necessarily
return the correct answer, i.e., will not determine whether something
is true or false in boolean terms, but rather whether it is strictly
equal to the value "false".

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From bann at sunncomm.com  Fri Jul 22 14:15:44 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:15:44 -0700
Subject: How to snap a substack window to the bottom of mainstack window???
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E5A1@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>




From b.xavier at internet.lu  Fri Jul 22 14:18:19 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:18:19 +0200
Subject: Rev won't paste
In-Reply-To: <000c01c58ee6$c486ad70$08f2fea9@etlaptop>
Message-ID: <20050722180857.3F67F8248D4@mail.runrev.com>

Hi

This one should be in any faq... ;)

Actually, if you just click on the menubar of the scripteditor or the
revmenubar
it will work again, it's just a focus problem.

Another "ever-working" shortcut is the insert-key (right of the
backspace)...
Shift-ins copies, ins pastes...

I heard rev is woring on some double-focals for it ;) 

cheers
Xavier

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Chris Carroll-Davis
> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 19:57
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Rev won't paste
> 
> Ah!  So I'm not going mad.  I've seen this  weird behaviour 
> and never got to the bottom of the mystery.  But try Ctrl+SHIFT+V...??
> 
> Mystery.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Leston Drake" <lestond at lpsoftware.com>
> To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 7:12 PM
> Subject: Rev won't paste
> 
> 
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I've discovered something quirky with my Rev. I want to 
> simply copy some 
> > text from a text editor and paste it into a field.
> > However, the paste command doesn't work. (Windows)
> >
> > Tried both Ctrl+V or Edit | Paste from the menu.
> >
> > I've found that if copy my text from my text editor, then 
> in Rev select 
> > some text in the field, the Edit menu now shows "Paste 
> Text." Then it will 
> > paste the text properly. But it seems strange that it will 
> not recognize 
> > Ctrl+V. BTW, it does recognize Ctrl+X (cut), Ctrl+C (copy), 
> and Ctrl+Z 
> > (undo).
> >
> > Has anyone else noticed this? This is in version 2.2.1, not 
> the latest 
> > one.
> >
> > --Leston
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> > subscription preferences:
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From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Fri Jul 22 14:17:11 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:17:11 -0400
Subject: Well that was a weird bug...
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445F7@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

I just figured out the strangest thing...


For a program at work, I have a stack and a substack.

The stack sends a message to the substack. In part of the handler in the
substack, it copies a group from one part of itself to another part of
itself. 

When you copy a group, the id of the new group is placed in the 'it'
variable.

If the substack is open, then RR gives the new group a proper ID, and
everything works properly.

However, if the substack is closed, then RR gives the new group an ID of
0 - which is a problem if you copy more than one group like this,
because they all wind up with the ID being 0. As you can imagine, this
causes all sorts of weird behavior when other scripts try to reference
these groups by their IDs.

Anyone ever seen this before?

I found an easy work-around for my situation, and now I know to look out
for it.





From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jul 22 14:19:09 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:19:09 -0500
Subject: CGI MAC OSX
In-Reply-To: <fc.000f58e5009fc3cf3b9aca001fee1469.9fc3dd@fc.neol.it>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445F6@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
	<fc.000f58e5009fc3cf3b9aca001fee1469.9fc3dd@fc.neol.it>
Message-ID: <42E1389D.6080204@hyperactivesw.com>

paolo mazza wrote:
> Hi revs,
> I am looking for a MAC OSX  engine of Revolution. I need to install it in
> a MAC OSX server as CGI.
> In the ftp.runrev.com  I found the REV 2.5 engines for WINDOWS and LINUX.
> Where can I find the engine for the MAC OS X ?

The last Darwin engine available is 2.1.2. This version still works 
fine. You can get it here:

<http://www.runrev.com/downloads/engines/2.1.2/cgi/osx.zip>

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Jul 22 14:35:49 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 19:35:49 +0100
Subject: Rev won't paste
In-Reply-To: <000c01c58ee6$c486ad70$08f2fea9@etlaptop>
References: <5.1.1.6.0.20050722110237.01e23470@mail.xmission.com>
	<000c01c58ee6$c486ad70$08f2fea9@etlaptop>
Message-ID: <42E13C85.5040209@tweedly.net>

Chris Carroll-Davis wrote:

> Ah!  So I'm not going mad.  I've seen this  weird behaviour and never 
> got to the bottom of the mystery.  But try Ctrl+SHIFT+V...??
>
> Mystery.

I have a vague memory (well, half a memory) of being told by someone at 
RunRev that there was a known problem (Windows only) where Paste (by 
Ctrl-V) does not operate correctly in the IDE until a script editor has 
been opened.

But I can't find the email .... so that memory may be suspect ...

-- 
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jul 22 14:53:15 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:53:15 -0700
Subject: 3D?
Message-ID: <42E1409B.20304@fourthworld.com>

I have a friend who recently asked me this:

 > I am interested in 3D support within Revolution/DreamCard.
 > Nothing fancy, just the ability to plot points (variable
 > size and color spheres) on an X-Y-Z cartesian grid and
 > then rotate the grid around in different orientations.

Suggestions?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  Developer of WebMerge: Publish any database on any Web site
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Fri Jul 22 15:04:09 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:04:09 -0400
Subject: 3D?
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445F8@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

I have looked into this a little bit, and here is what I concluded:

- An image with custom properties
	- one customproperty contains the 3D data
	- another customproperty contains the viewing perspective data
(zoom,tilt,twist,pan,veiwpoint,etc...)
- An external to do the math required for various moves
- On opencard rev sends the 3D dataset to the external
- When any movement is made, the viewing perspective information is
changed, and you send the new viewing perspective information to the
external, which does the math to calculate the imagedata for the image,
then returns that imagedata to Rev
- Rev then sets the imagedata of the image to the new imagedata


The math for doing these computations is not quite as bad as I thought
it would be, and there are a number of websites on the Web that explain
it. However, a huge number of calculations must be performed, which is
why I suggest an external. 


-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Gaskin
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 2:53 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: 3D?

I have a friend who recently asked me this:

 > I am interested in 3D support within Revolution/DreamCard.
 > Nothing fancy, just the ability to plot points (variable
 > size and color spheres) on an X-Y-Z cartesian grid and
 > then rotate the grid around in different orientations.

Suggestions?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  Developer of WebMerge: Publish any database on any Web site
  ___________________________________________________________
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From see3d at writeme.com  Fri Jul 22 15:25:14 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:25:14 -0400
Subject: 3D?
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445F8@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445F8@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <4762B26D-4920-4BB2-BEBD-90BFEBAB8771@writeme.com>

Rev should be able to handle these calculations directly as long as  
you are not talking about thousands of points.

Dennis

On Jul 22, 2005, at 3:04 PM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:

> I have looked into this a little bit, and here is what I concluded:
>
> - An image with custom properties
>     - one customproperty contains the 3D data
>     - another customproperty contains the viewing perspective data
> (zoom,tilt,twist,pan,veiwpoint,etc...)
> - An external to do the math required for various moves
> - On opencard rev sends the 3D dataset to the external
> - When any movement is made, the viewing perspective information is
> changed, and you send the new viewing perspective information to the
> external, which does the math to calculate the imagedata for the  
> image,
> then returns that imagedata to Rev
> - Rev then sets the imagedata of the image to the new imagedata
>
>
> The math for doing these computations is not quite as bad as I thought
> it would be, and there are a number of websites on the Web that  
> explain
> it. However, a huge number of calculations must be performed, which is
> why I suggest an external.


From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Fri Jul 22 15:40:45 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:40:45 -0400
Subject: 3D?
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445F9@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

I believe that in part it depends on whether you are using the
points/splines/surfaces approach or the 3D pixel approach.

The points/splines/surfaces approach uses much less data, although the
math is a bit more complex. I know that the 3D programs I have played
with use points/splines/surfaces.

I had the idea to store the data as 3D pixels, but where you only store
info for pixels that exist. For a small object, calculating the first
intersecting point between a line extending from the notional viewing
window and the object should not be too hard, and should allow the use
of fast commands like intersect.

But even for that, think about an image that is 100x100 - that's 10,000
pixels, each of which requires some calculation to figure out. Pixel by
pixel image processing in transcript is not that fast. 

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
Brown
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 3:25 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: 3D?

Rev should be able to handle these calculations directly as long as  
you are not talking about thousands of points.

Dennis

On Jul 22, 2005, at 3:04 PM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:

> I have looked into this a little bit, and here is what I concluded:
>
> - An image with custom properties
>     - one customproperty contains the 3D data
>     - another customproperty contains the viewing perspective data
> (zoom,tilt,twist,pan,veiwpoint,etc...)
> - An external to do the math required for various moves
> - On opencard rev sends the 3D dataset to the external
> - When any movement is made, the viewing perspective information is
> changed, and you send the new viewing perspective information to the
> external, which does the math to calculate the imagedata for the  
> image,
> then returns that imagedata to Rev
> - Rev then sets the imagedata of the image to the new imagedata
>
>
> The math for doing these computations is not quite as bad as I thought
> it would be, and there are a number of websites on the Web that  
> explain
> it. However, a huge number of calculations must be performed, which is
> why I suggest an external.
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From jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr  Fri Jul 22 15:54:00 2005
From: jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:54:00 +0200
Subject: 3D?
References: <42E1409B.20304@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <42E14ECE.3F3EC8A8@Club-Internet.fr>



> I have a friend who recently asked me this:
>
>  > I am interested in 3D support within Revolution/DreamCard.
>  > Nothing fancy, just the ability to plot points (variable
>  > size and color spheres) on an X-Y-Z cartesian grid and
>  > then rotate the grid around in different orientations.
>
> Suggestions?
>

openGL.

JB



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Fri Jul 22 15:45:52 2005
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:45:52 +0200
Subject: 3D?
In-Reply-To: <42E1409B.20304@fourthworld.com>
References: <42E1409B.20304@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <p06200736bf06fce9b7a3@[10.0.0.7]>

At 11:53 AM -0700 7/22/05, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>I have a friend who recently asked me this:
>
>>  I am interested in 3D support within Revolution/DreamCard.
>>  Nothing fancy, just the ability to plot points (variable
>>  size and color spheres) on an X-Y-Z cartesian grid and
>>  then rotate the grid around in different orientations.
>
>Suggestions?

I might be mistaken but didn't Scott Rossi have some 3D shapes
a year or two ago...one was something like a doughnut shape...that
were produced in Rev/MC?

sims


From b.xavier at internet.lu  Fri Jul 22 16:09:23 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 22:09:23 +0200
Subject: 3D?
In-Reply-To: <p06200736bf06fce9b7a3@[10.0.0.7]>
Message-ID: <20050722195956.439D5824A61@mail.runrev.com>


You're all forgetting Alejandro's amazing 3D applications...
There's Scott's simlation via flash (was it?)
And i've made a few strides but no API yet

But OpenGL should be the tao... After all these years of asking
im impressed at the lack of a built-in solution.

Then again if QTVR or QT3D does work, why not...
Did we all forget about MacOS 3D QT way back in QT 3.0?

But how do you make multiple objects interact or let alone
script them? 

We're more than a decade behind the competition >;(
Behind that, note that if we dont have proper array functions
we're still dead in the water... Lack of support of graphic
card's built in functions also is requirement to get close
to "real" modern graphic engines. And behind all that, without
threading... well, your server is also down the water (there's
an interesting article on newscientist.com about that (and
telepathic software - mentioned on the mc list)...

Now, that's worth a license upgrade fee ;)

Sorry for the faint of heart... Just dreaming the revolution up!

cheers
Xavier
http://monsieurx.com - always a decade ahead ;)
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of sims
> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 21:46
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: 3D?
> 
> At 11:53 AM -0700 7/22/05, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> >I have a friend who recently asked me this:
> >
> >>  I am interested in 3D support within Revolution/DreamCard.
> >>  Nothing fancy, just the ability to plot points (variable  
> size and 
> >> color spheres) on an X-Y-Z cartesian grid and  then rotate 
> the grid 
> >> around in different orientations.
> >
> >Suggestions?
> 
> I might be mistaken but didn't Scott Rossi have some 3D 
> shapes a year or two ago...one was something like a doughnut 
> shape...that were produced in Rev/MC?
> 
> sims
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From bann at sunncomm.com  Fri Jul 22 16:31:49 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:31:49 -0700
Subject: How to snap a substack window to the bottom of mainstack window
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E5A2@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>

Hello,


Does anyone know:

How to snap a substack window to the bottom of mainstack window?
When usr move the main stack, the substack should snap and follow?

Thank you






From see3d at writeme.com  Fri Jul 22 16:35:38 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:35:38 -0400
Subject: 3D?
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445F9@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445F9@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <7D20DD80-AD4A-45BB-A89A-9C6E48CF12BE@writeme.com>

Based on the original request,

 > I am interested in 3D support within Revolution/DreamCard.
 > Nothing fancy, just the ability to plot points (variable
 > size and color spheres) on an X-Y-Z cartesian grid and
 > then rotate the grid around in different orientations.

I would build buttons of images of spheres for each point, sized to  
the requirement, then positioned/layered according to the view point.

It would be a bit harder than the clock challenge, but not too much  
based on what I have seen recently from this list.
In fact it would make a good challenge problem.
Might even find some application as a real cool ball clock in 3D.

Dennis


On Jul 22, 2005, at 3:40 PM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:

> I believe that in part it depends on whether you are using the
> points/splines/surfaces approach or the 3D pixel approach.
>
> The points/splines/surfaces approach uses much less data, although the
> math is a bit more complex. I know that the 3D programs I have played
> with use points/splines/surfaces.
>
> I had the idea to store the data as 3D pixels, but where you only  
> store
> info for pixels that exist. For a small object, calculating the first
> intersecting point between a line extending from the notional viewing
> window and the object should not be too hard, and should allow the use
> of fast commands like intersect.
>
> But even for that, think about an image that is 100x100 - that's  
> 10,000
> pixels, each of which requires some calculation to figure out.  
> Pixel by
> pixel image processing in transcript is not that fast.



From jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr  Fri Jul 22 16:59:30 2005
From: jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 22:59:30 +0200
Subject: 3D?
References: <20050722195956.439D5824A61@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <42E15E25.39E09397@Club-Internet.fr>



>
> But OpenGL should be the tao... After all these years of asking
> im impressed at the lack of a built-in solution.
>

If anyone has some $$$$ to put in this ransomware thing,
I could volunteer to spend a few weeks / months of my time
in implementing openGL access within Rev...

JB



From lestond at lpsoftware.com  Fri Jul 22 17:54:01 2005
From: lestond at lpsoftware.com (Leston Drake)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:54:01 -0700
Subject: Rev won't paste
In-Reply-To: <000c01c58ee6$c486ad70$08f2fea9@etlaptop>
References: <5.1.1.6.0.20050722110237.01e23470@mail.xmission.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20050722145333.01e262d8@mail.xmission.com>

Yes. I discovered the SHIFT trick too.

--Leston

At 10:57 AM 7/22/2005, you wrote:
>Ah!  So I'm not going mad.  I've seen this  weird behaviour and never got 
>to the bottom of the mystery.  But try Ctrl+SHIFT+V...??
>
>Mystery.
>
>Chris
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Leston Drake" <lestond at lpsoftware.com>
>To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 7:12 PM
>Subject: Rev won't paste
>
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>I've discovered something quirky with my Rev. I want to simply copy some 
>>text from a text editor and paste it into a field.
>>However, the paste command doesn't work. (Windows)
>>
>>Tried both Ctrl+V or Edit | Paste from the menu.
>>
>>I've found that if copy my text from my text editor, then in Rev select 
>>some text in the field, the Edit menu now shows "Paste Text." Then it 
>>will paste the text properly. But it seems strange that it will not 
>>recognize Ctrl+V. BTW, it does recognize Ctrl+X (cut), Ctrl+C (copy), and 
>>Ctrl+Z (undo).
>>
>>Has anyone else noticed this? This is in version 2.2.1, not the latest one.
>>
>>--Leston
>>
>>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jul 22 17:32:48 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:32:48 -0700
Subject: Anomolous is among
In-Reply-To: <1f2.e24807f.30128572@aol.com>
References: <1f2.e24807f.30128572@aol.com>
Message-ID: <13125162071.20050722143248@ahsoftware.net>

Well, that's pretty bizarre. However, I'm not sure the culprit is
"among", since

on mouseUp
  local xyz
  put  "1 2 3 4 " into xyz
  put ("penguin" is among the words of xyz)  &CR&\
  ("penguin" is among the items of  "1, 2, 3, 4, ")
end mouseUp

returns
false
false

...maybe "penguin" is a subset of the set of empty words?...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jul 22 17:39:56 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:39:56 -0700
Subject: Place vs copy
Message-ID: <16625590046.20050722143956@ahsoftware.net>

All-

I'm trying to apply some optimization techniques learned from the
online scripting conferences. And running into snags.

"Placing" a group instead of copying and pasting it seems to turn its
background behavior on. Is there something similar for non-background
groups? Here's what I'm faced with - I'm currently pasting between
some 100 to 300 copies of a single group onto a card. Is there a
better way to do this than copy-once-paste-many?

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Jul 22 17:40:38 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:40:38 -0500
Subject: Rev won't paste
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20050722145333.01e262d8@mail.xmission.com>
References: <5.1.1.6.0.20050722110237.01e23470@mail.xmission.com>
	<5.1.1.6.0.20050722145333.01e262d8@mail.xmission.com>
Message-ID: <42E167D6.2080101@chipp.com>

Leston,

This is a known problem in a previous engine release. It's fixed in the 
latest release.

-Chipp


From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Jul 22 17:44:12 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:44:12 -0500
Subject: How to snap a substack window to the bottom of mainstack window
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E5A2@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E5A2@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <42E168AC.7080004@chipp.com>

Check out altBuddyStack at:

http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Downloads.htm

-Chipp

Ban Nguyen wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> 
> Does anyone know:
> 
> How to snap a substack window to the bottom of mainstack window?
> When usr move the main stack, the substack should snap and follow?


From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Fri Jul 22 17:46:28 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 17:46:28 -0400
Subject: Place vs copy
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A99680E7@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

Is it bad for the group to be a background?



-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Wieder
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 5:40 PM
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Subject: Place vs copy

All-

I'm trying to apply some optimization techniques learned from the
online scripting conferences. And running into snags.

"Placing" a group instead of copying and pasting it seems to turn its
background behavior on. Is there something similar for non-background
groups? Here's what I'm faced with - I'm currently pasting between
some 100 to 300 copies of a single group onto a card. Is there a
better way to do this than copy-once-paste-many?

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net

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From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Jul 22 17:58:53 2005
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 23:58:53 +0200
Subject: How to snap a substack window to the bottom of mainstack window
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E5A2@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E5A2@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <100A8924-1229-4FC8-AAD3-E8372A85C683@major-k.de>

Hi Ban,

> Hello,
>
> Does anyone know:
>
> How to snap a substack window to the bottom of mainstack window?
> When usr move the main stack, the substack should snap and follow?
>
> Thank you

take a look at the "stackmove" function (?)...

This will be sent AFTER the user has moved a stack around
with the title bar.

So you could script in the "main stack to be dragged":

on movestack
   set the topleft of stack "snap stack" to the bottomleft of stack  
"main stack"
end movestack

You may have to adjust the locs a bit, but you get the picture :-)

Have a nice weekend!


Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jul 22 18:13:30 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:13:30 -0700
Subject: 3D?
In-Reply-To: <42E14ECE.3F3EC8A8@Club-Internet.fr>
References: <42E1409B.20304@fourthworld.com>
	<42E14ECE.3F3EC8A8@Club-Internet.fr>
Message-ID: <42E16F8A.1010407@fourthworld.com>

jbv wrote:
> 
>>I have a friend who recently asked me this:
>>
>> > I am interested in 3D support within Revolution/DreamCard.
>> > Nothing fancy, just the ability to plot points (variable
>> > size and color spheres) on an X-Y-Z cartesian grid and
>> > then rotate the grid around in different orientations.
>>
>>Suggestions?
>>
> 
> 
> openGL.

What are the Rev commands to access OpenGL's 3D capabilities?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From Hamburger1 at aol.com  Fri Jul 22 18:32:51 2005
From: Hamburger1 at aol.com (Hamburger1 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:32:51 EDT
Subject: Menubar Problem on Mac OSX
Message-ID: <146.49017d44.3012ce13@aol.com>

Hi everyone,

OK I admit it, I'm thick headed. One of you kind folks already answered my 
question and I trashed the response.

Please tell me again what I have to include in the "File" menu and "Edit" 
menu so I can add other things to each,

Thanks
Joe, Orlando, FL


From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Jul 22 19:34:45 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 00:34:45 +0100
Subject: Rev won't paste
In-Reply-To: <42E13C85.5040209@tweedly.net>
References: <5.1.1.6.0.20050722110237.01e23470@mail.xmission.com>	<000c01c58ee6$c486ad70$08f2fea9@etlaptop>
	<42E13C85.5040209@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <42E18295.5030400@tweedly.net>

Chipp said:

>Leston,
>
>This is a known problem in a previous engine release. It's fixed in the 
>latest release.
>  
>
Chipp,
Do you know if there was a BZ describing which problem was fixed in the 
latest release ?

Because I know the problem of poor cut/paste behaviour isn't completely 
fixed, and I'd like to see if it needs a new BZ entry.

Recipe:   (WinXP, Rev 2.6 bld 108)

open Rev
open Message Box
Type "abc"
Highlight the whole line (Ctrl-A)
Copy it  (Ctrl-C)
Overtype something new (e.g. "def")
Highlight this whole line (Ctrl-A)
Paste  (Ctrl-V)

What do you see ? 
It should be "abc" - but for me it is in fact the last thing I "Copied" 
- in this case, "this is a known ...."
Using the menu gets it right - and thereafter using Ctrl-shortcuts seems 
to work OK every time

This is much improved over 2.5.1 (when you couldn't do that first 
"paste" operation at all - all it did was beep, even if you used the 
menu). - but it's still not completely correct.

-- 
Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net



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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jul 22 19:41:48 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:41:48 -0700
Subject: Menubar Problem on Mac OSX
In-Reply-To: <146.49017d44.3012ce13@aol.com>
References: <146.49017d44.3012ce13@aol.com>
Message-ID: <42E1843C.50909@fourthworld.com>

Hamburger1 at aol.com wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> OK I admit it, I'm thick headed. One of you kind folks already answered my 
> question and I trashed the response.
> 
> Please tell me again what I have to include in the "File" menu and "Edit" 
> menu so I can add other things to each,

The common menu items for OS X are listed here:
<http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/OSXHIGuidelines/index.html>

The same for Windows can be found here:
<http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnwue/html/ch08b.asp>

The way Rev handles the differences is described in:
Documentation->Topics->Menus and the Menu Bar
See the section titled "Special Menu Items" there.

For the Human Interface Guidelines for most platforms Rev supports see 
the links at the topright of this page:
<http://www.fourthworld.com/resources/>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From irog at mac.com  Fri Jul 22 20:49:01 2005
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:49:01 -0600
Subject: Simulated Mouse Action
Message-ID: <70A2A0DD-B6BE-42C6-A74B-5E0ED514FE37@mac.com>

I just uploaded a stack to User Spaces that illustrates how mouse  
movement and action can be simulated.  This may be useful for  
example, in animated tutorials and presentations of how to use a Rev  
stack of your own design or CBT or??

Look for it under my username of RogerG.  It's called MovingHand.


Cheers, Roger





From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Fri Jul 22 21:05:24 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:05:24 -0400
Subject: Simulated Mouse Action
In-Reply-To: <70A2A0DD-B6BE-42C6-A74B-5E0ED514FE37@mac.com>
References: <70A2A0DD-B6BE-42C6-A74B-5E0ED514FE37@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F0B40D89-7CC8-4D46-9FD4-7CEED43C3F63@conncoll.edu>

Cool -- thanks -- but don't you want to call it

                    The Invisible Hand

?

Charles Hartman
On Jul 22, 2005, at 8:49 PM, Roger Guay wrote:

> I just uploaded a stack to User Spaces that illustrates how mouse  
> movement and action can be simulated.  This may be useful for  
> example, in animated tutorials and presentations of how to use a  
> Rev stack of your own design or CBT or??
>
> Look for it under my username of RogerG.  It's called MovingHand.
>



From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 22 23:14:50 2005
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:14:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [ANN] exportVector_v02c
In-Reply-To: <20050722202736.4E584824D15@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20050723031450.42378.qmail@web40502.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Developers,

Download the stack:
exportVector_v02c

From:
<http://aulasdigitales.net/exportVector_v02c.zip>

This stack resumes and unifies all my previous 
development work, exporting vector graphics to Adobe 
Ilustrator and PDF file formats.

Have a nice weekend!

al

Visit my site:
http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/


		
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http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs 
 


From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Jul 22 23:36:29 2005
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:36:29 -0600
Subject: Anomolous is among
In-Reply-To: <42E12E81.1060501@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
References: <42E12E81.1060501@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <85ecfb82eddd5476f532d32a27e9fa87@swcp.com>


On Jul 22, 2005, at 11:36 AM, Wilhelm Sanke wrote:

> put "penguin" is among the words of "1 2 3 4 "

==> true

Hmmm.

   put "penguin" is among the words of char 1 to 10 of "1 2 3 4 5 "
==> true

   put "penguin" is among the words of char 1 to 8 of "1 2 3 4 5 "
==> false

Very interesting.

Dar
-- 
**********************************************
     DSC (Dar Scott Consulting & Dar's Lab)
     http://www.swcp.com/dsc/
     Programming and software
**********************************************



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Fri Jul 22 23:35:52 2005
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 05:35:52 +0200
Subject: 3D? - Tutti 3D
In-Reply-To: <42E16F8A.1010407@fourthworld.com>
References: <42E1409B.20304@fourthworld.com>
	<42E14ECE.3F3EC8A8@Club-Internet.fr> <42E16F8A.1010407@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <p06200701bf076aad11cd@[10.0.0.9]>

>Tutti 3D is available on RevNet and via our Media Panel.  Enter the
>>  following in your message box:
>>
>>   go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/tmpanel.rev"
>>


Tutti 3D

Probably not what you need BUT has the usual Rossi cool factor!

cube - pyramid - star - ring drawings which you can rotate at
different angles and speeds.

ciao,
sims


From briany at qldlearning.com  Fri Jul 22 23:47:49 2005
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:47:49 -0700
Subject: Anomolous is among
In-Reply-To: <85ecfb82eddd5476f532d32a27e9fa87@swcp.com>
References: <42E12E81.1060501@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
	<85ecfb82eddd5476f532d32a27e9fa87@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <7b0d9fed312b5f07ed77064721689a93@qldlearning.com>

Even simpler:

put " " into x
answer "planets" is among the words of " "   => TRUE
answer "planets" is among the words of x    => FALSE

It looks like it has to do with using string literals in the statement, 
and chokes on empty words.

- Brian



From dsc at swcp.com  Sat Jul 23 00:09:24 2005
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 22:09:24 -0600
Subject: Anomolous is among
In-Reply-To: <7b0d9fed312b5f07ed77064721689a93@qldlearning.com>
References: <42E12E81.1060501@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
	<85ecfb82eddd5476f532d32a27e9fa87@swcp.com>
	<7b0d9fed312b5f07ed77064721689a93@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <3b93e0ff90d7442ce0b5599b8a2d5711@swcp.com>


On Jul 22, 2005, at 9:47 PM, Brian Yennie wrote:

> answer "planets" is among the words of " "   => TRUE
> answer "planets" is among the words of x    => FALSE
>
> It looks like it has to do with using string literals in the 
> statement, and chokes on empty words.

Yeah.  But it seems to be a little more involved than that:

   put "planets" is among the words of char 4 of "1 2 "
==> true

   put "planets" is among the words of char 2 of "1 2 "
==> false

Weird.

on mouseUp
   constant x = " "
   put "planets" is among the words of x
end mouseUp

==> true

Dar



From briany at qldlearning.com  Sat Jul 23 00:50:23 2005
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:50:23 -0700
Subject: Anomolous is among
In-Reply-To: <3b93e0ff90d7442ce0b5599b8a2d5711@swcp.com>
References: <42E12E81.1060501@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
	<85ecfb82eddd5476f532d32a27e9fa87@swcp.com>
	<7b0d9fed312b5f07ed77064721689a93@qldlearning.com>
	<3b93e0ff90d7442ce0b5599b8a2d5711@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <96d031cd2ad1913f8c819ef2e2ed1360@qldlearning.com>

How about this rule:

Transcript fails when determining if a word is among the words of a 
string literal WHEN:
The string literal ends with <space> AND, in the case of a chunk 
expression, includes that last space.

In any case, it definitely looks like a bug and smells of some check 
for end-of-string, next-word, and NULL going wrong in the engine...

> Yeah.  But it seems to be a little more involved than that:
>
>   put "planets" is among the words of char 4 of "1 2 "
> ==> true
>
>   put "planets" is among the words of char 2 of "1 2 "
> ==> false
>
> Weird.
>
> on mouseUp
>   constant x = " "
>   put "planets" is among the words of x
> end mouseUp
>
> ==> true



From katir at hindu.org  Sat Jul 23 01:10:29 2005
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 19:10:29 -1000
Subject: Strange Entities from htmlText
Message-ID: <72BB4E23-5739-453D-9406-4DEF2E4A6B0B@hindu.org>

I don't really think this is a Rev issue but actually some wierd  
Microsoft issue or an email issue?

Some text which originally came from MSWord, is passed to an email  
(by cut and paste into mail.app on the mac) and then to a field. and  
then output this via the "htmlText" property to an XML document which  
is destined to run against a XSLT using xsltProc (run via shell  
commands from a Rev UI) This XML file is then urlEncoded as prep for  
uploading via POST ... a Rev CGI, gets the POST (engine is Darwin  
running on Xserve..) which  urlDecodes it and saves it back to an XML  
file.. goal being (obviously) that the XML on the server is exactly  
the same as was generated by my rev app on the remote client, before  
uploading

This system is working really well, btw...until I decided to make use  
of the htmlText of that field...

In the original document I am seeing curly quotes and curly  
apostrophes... which were pasted into the original input field...  
now, my script cleans these up to  straight quotes first, and then we  
get the htmlText...

htmlText result: [snippet from a complete XML file]

<p>In &#28;The Blessings of Children &#29; Tiruvalluvar begins by  
describing the benefits of having children and states that an  
intelligent child is the greatest blessing to the family and is  
indeed the family &#25;s real wealth.</p>

if I run this thru xsltProc against my style sheet (which is turning  
the xml into a .shtml file) these all error out as "unknown  
entities... unable to parse /file"

I don't see these entities on BBEdits Entity list... and the other  
weird thing is the introduction of a space before the closing quote  
or apostrophe...

And we also are seeing another gruesome manifestation:

  &#147;To foster a sense of self-worth in children, corporal  
punishment must be eliminated completely. To think that assaulting a  
child--a criminal offense between adults--constitutes discipline, is  
virtually insane. Yet, in the US, it is still legal in many states.  
Discipline means to teach. The only thing the paddle teaches, is  
hatred. This hatred is very often repressed and unconsciously  
directed toward self. When this happens, you have crippled a mind for  
life.&#148;

could the urlEncoding/Decoding be doing something nasty here?

And what is even wierder: if the user manually enters a quote or  
apostrophe in the field... we get what we expect to get:

&quote;

Any clues?

Sivakatirswami


From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 23 03:24:40 2005
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 00:24:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [ANN] Beta Release for penToolv032d
Message-ID: <20050723072440.70674.qmail@web40528.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Developers,

Download the stack:
"penToolv032d" from:

<http://aulasdigitales.net/penToolv032d.zip>

This Beta version has many glitches, so you
must not run this stack while working in
other important projects in RR, MC or DC.

This release include tools (in Beta) to
add, delete and convert vertex and control
points in vector graphics created with
the tools of this stack.

Report errors (with recipe to replicate, 
if possible) to my email: capellan2000 at yahoo.com

Thanks in advance for your time to test 
and report the errors in this stack. ;-)

Have a nice weekend. :-)

al


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http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/


		
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From martin at materiaprima.fsnet.co.uk  Sat Jul 23 03:41:06 2005
From: martin at materiaprima.fsnet.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 08:41:06 +0100
Subject: Strange Entities from htmlText
In-Reply-To: <72BB4E23-5739-453D-9406-4DEF2E4A6B0B@hindu.org>
References: <72BB4E23-5739-453D-9406-4DEF2E4A6B0B@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <42E1F492.6080400@materiaprima.fsnet.co.uk>

Greetings,

As a clue... One of the originating applications is (reasonably enough) 
encoding the curly quotes as unicode entities:

decimal 8220 and 8221.

This is 201C and 201D in hex.
20 in hex = 32 in decimal which is space
1C in hex = 28 in decimal hence &#28;
so 1D in hex = 29 in decimal hence &#29;

Martin Baxter

Sivakatirswami wrote:
> I don't really think this is a Rev issue but actually some wierd  
> Microsoft issue or an email issue?
> 
> Some text which originally came from MSWord, is passed to an email  (by 
> cut and paste into mail.app on the mac) and then to a field. and  then 
> output this via the "htmlText" property to an XML document which  is 
> destined to run against a XSLT using xsltProc (run via shell  commands 
> from a Rev UI) This XML file is then urlEncoded as prep for  uploading 
> via POST ... a Rev CGI, gets the POST (engine is Darwin  running on 
> Xserve..) which  urlDecodes it and saves it back to an XML  file.. goal 
> being (obviously) that the XML on the server is exactly  the same as was 
> generated by my rev app on the remote client, before  uploading
> 
> This system is working really well, btw...until I decided to make use  
> of the htmlText of that field...
> 
> In the original document I am seeing curly quotes and curly  
> apostrophes... which were pasted into the original input field...  now, 
> my script cleans these up to  straight quotes first, and then we  get 
> the htmlText...
> 
> htmlText result: [snippet from a complete XML file]
> 
> <p>In &#28;The Blessings of Children &#29; Tiruvalluvar begins by  
> describing the benefits of having children and states that an  
> intelligent child is the greatest blessing to the family and is  indeed 
> the family &#25;s real wealth.</p>
> 
> if I run this thru xsltProc against my style sheet (which is turning  
> the xml into a .shtml file) these all error out as "unknown  entities... 
> unable to parse /file"
> 
> I don't see these entities on BBEdits Entity list... and the other  
> weird thing is the introduction of a space before the closing quote  or 
> apostrophe...
> 
> And we also are seeing another gruesome manifestation:
> 
>  &#147;To foster a sense of self-worth in children, corporal  punishment 
> must be eliminated completely. To think that assaulting a  child--a 
> criminal offense between adults--constitutes discipline, is  virtually 
> insane. Yet, in the US, it is still legal in many states.  Discipline 
> means to teach. The only thing the paddle teaches, is  hatred. This 
> hatred is very often repressed and unconsciously  directed toward self. 
> When this happens, you have crippled a mind for  life.&#148;
> 
> could the urlEncoding/Decoding be doing something nasty here?
> 
> And what is even wierder: if the user manually enters a quote or  
> apostrophe in the field... we get what we expect to get:
> 
> &quote;
> 
> Any clues?
> 
> Sivakatirswami
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From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Sat Jul 23 04:10:32 2005
From: FlexibleLearning at aol.com (FlexibleLearning at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 04:10:32 EDT
Subject: Anomolous is among
Message-ID: <83.2c20d619.30135578@aol.com>

My suggestion:

For safety, include a scope definition when using 'is  among', as in...

if [tStr] is among char|word|item|token n to -m of  [tSrc]
 
e.g. if "penguin" is among word 1 to -1 of "1 2 3 4 "

This copes  with the current engine's potential  interpretation anomolies of 
string  literals.

/H


Brian Yennie  wrote...

>How about this  rule:
>
>Transcript fails when determining if a word is among the  words of a 
>string literal WHEN:
>The string literal ends with  <space> AND, in the case of a chunk 
>expression, includes that last  space.
>
>In any case, it definitely looks like a bug and smells of  some check 
>for end-of-string, next-word, and NULL going wrong in the  engine...


>> Yeah.  But it seems to be a little more involved than  that:
>>
>>   put "planets" is among the words of  char 4 of "1 2 "
>> ==> true
>>
>>   put  "planets" is among the words of char 2 of "1 2 "
>> ==>  false
>>
>> Weird.
>>
>>on  mouseUp
>>   constant x = " "
>>   put  "planets" is among the words of x
>> end  mouseUp
>>
>> ==> true
 


From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Sat Jul 23 06:54:15 2005
From: FlexibleLearning at aol.com (FlexibleLearning at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 06:54:15 EDT
Subject: [TIDBIT] A resizeStack button [2]
Message-ID: <191.43c64ef6.30137bd7@aol.com>

This improves stack resizing by accommodating  both the minWidth and maxWidth 
properties of the stack. I have yet to figure out  how to handle the initial 
'judder' by incorporating the initial mouseLoc xOffset  and yOffset within the 
button... Offers?

Put this in your stack  script...

on resizeStack
set the bottomRight of btn  "resizeMe"  to the bottomRight of this card
end resizeStack

Put  this in the script of a button called "resizeMe", placed at the 
bottomRight  of your stack...

on mouseMove
# Constraining algorithm: max  (lowerLimit, min(upperLimit, var))
if the mouse is up then pass  mouseMove
put the topLeft of this stack into tTL
put  globalLoc(the mouseLoc) into tML

put the minWidth of this stack +  item 1 of tTL into lowerLimit
put the maxWidth of this stack + item 1  of tTL into upperLimit
put max(lowerLimit,min(upperLimit, item 1 of  tML)) \
into item 1 of tML

put the minHeight of this stack + item 2 of tTL into  lowerLimit
put the maxHeight of this stack + item 2 of tTL into  upperLimit
put max(lowerLimit,min(upperLimit, item 2 of tML))  \
into item 2 of tML

set  the rect of this stack to tTL,tML
end mouseMove

# CONDENSED  VERSION
# on mouseMove
if the mouse is up then pass  mouseMove
put the topLeft of this stack into tTL
put  globalLoc(the mouseLoc) into tML
set the rect of this stack to  tTL,max(the minWidth of this stack + item 1 of 
tTL,min(the maxWidth of this  stack + item 1 of tTL, item 1 of tML)), max(the 
minHeight of this stack + item 2  of tTL,min(the maxHeight of this stack + 
item 2 of tTL, item 2 of tML))
end  mouseMove


/H
The Scripter's  Scrapbook
www.FlexibleLearning.com/ssbk.htm 


From irog at mac.com  Sat Jul 23 09:02:55 2005
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 07:02:55 -0600
Subject: Simulated Mouse Action
In-Reply-To: <20050723073255.3905D824D69@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050723073255.3905D824D69@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <201763E7-37B3-4A70-B823-D15F3593B074@mac.com>

Nuts!  Is the hand invisible on your machine?  If so, could you give  
specifics?

Thanks, Roger


On Jul 23, 2005, at 1:32 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

> Message: 14
> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:05:24 -0400
> From: Charles Hartman <charles.hartman at conncoll.edu>
> Subject: Re: Simulated Mouse Action
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <F0B40D89-7CC8-4D46-9FD4-7CEED43C3F63 at conncoll.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=US-ASCII;    delsp=yes;     
> format=flowed
>
> Cool -- thanks -- but don't you want to call it
>
>                     The Invisible Hand
>
> ?
>
> Charles Hartman
> On Jul 22, 2005, at 8:49 PM, Roger Guay wrote:
>
>
>> I just uploaded a stack to User Spaces that illustrates how mouse
>> movement and action can be simulated.  This may be useful for
>> example, in animated tutorials and presentations of how to use a
>> Rev stack of your own design or CBT or??
>>
>> Look for it under my username of RogerG.  It's called MovingHand.
>>
>



From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Sat Jul 23 09:19:42 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 09:19:42 -0400
Subject: blocking button hilite
Message-ID: <F92C9852-62E1-43C3-AB43-88E9EAB50D90@conncoll.edu>

Is there a way to prevent a button from being hilited when clicked? I  
want to put hilite under script control, but the toggling of hilite  
happens before the mouseUp handler is entered.

Also, more or less the same question about the "visited" property. I  
can set it false for all buttons in an openCard handler -- but as  
soon as one is clicked, before its mouseUp handler is called, the  
button's "visited" is already set to true.

So how can I tell within a button's mouseUp handler whether it's been  
clicked before? (If it has been, I want to prevent the hilite from  
toggling back and forth, and also prevent a "tasks to do" counter  
from being decremented.)

Hope the question makes sense.

Charles Hartman



From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Sat Jul 23 09:21:37 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 09:21:37 -0400
Subject: Simulated Mouse Action
In-Reply-To: <201763E7-37B3-4A70-B823-D15F3593B074@mac.com>
References: <20050723073255.3905D824D69@mail.runrev.com>
	<201763E7-37B3-4A70-B823-D15F3593B074@mac.com>
Message-ID: <A353B6C1-A6A7-431B-A18C-4813E515806D@conncoll.edu>


On Jul 23, 2005, at 9:02 AM, Roger Guay wrote:

> Nuts!  Is the hand invisible on your machine?  If so, could you  
> give specifics?
>
> Thanks, Roger


No no -- just a stupid joke. Sorry. It comes of listening to the  
radio while coding; there was some program about Adam Smith  
playing . . .

Charles Hartman


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sat Jul 23 09:34:41 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:34:41 +0200
Subject: blocking button hilite
In-Reply-To: <F92C9852-62E1-43C3-AB43-88E9EAB50D90@conncoll.edu>
References: <F92C9852-62E1-43C3-AB43-88E9EAB50D90@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <95C1DAC2-BF2B-4D9C-B71A-E5F0FBEFD9FD@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Charles,

All questions always make sense.
Some answers no :-)

Le 23 juil. 05 ? 15:19, Charles Hartman a ?crit :

> Is there a way to prevent a button from being hilited when clicked?  
> I want to put hilite under script control, but the toggling of  
> hilite happens before the mouseUp handler is entered.

Have a look at the autoHilite property and set it to false (there is  
a checkbox in the property inspector).
Then script mouseDown, mouseUp and mouseRelease handlers according to  
you needs.

> Also, more or less the same question about the "visited" property.  
> I can set it false for all buttons in an openCard handler -- but as  
> soon as one is clicked, before its mouseUp handler is called, the  
> button's "visited" is already set to true.
> So how can I tell within a button's mouseUp handler whether it's  
> been clicked before? (If it has been, I want to prevent the hilite  
> from toggling back and forth, and also prevent a "tasks to do"  
> counter from being decremented.)

Normal behaviour:

on mouseDown > visited = false (or true)
on mouseUp > visited = true

So check the visited property on mouseDown and set a flag to act  
within the mouseUp handler:

local lVisitedFlag
---------------------------
on mouseDown
   put the visited of me into lVisitedFlag
end mouseDown
---------------------------
on mouseUp
   if lVisitedFlag then...
   else...
end mouseUp


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Sat Jul 23 09:38:40 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 09:38:40 -0400
Subject: blocking button hilite
In-Reply-To: <95C1DAC2-BF2B-4D9C-B71A-E5F0FBEFD9FD@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <F92C9852-62E1-43C3-AB43-88E9EAB50D90@conncoll.edu>
	<95C1DAC2-BF2B-4D9C-B71A-E5F0FBEFD9FD@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <BDDAE8C1-3DB5-401A-99A2-B11CA9546AFD@conncoll.edu>

Magnifique. Thanks!

coh

On Jul 23, 2005, at 9:34 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi Charles,
>
> All questions always make sense.
> Some answers no :-)
>
> Le 23 juil. 05 ? 15:19, Charles Hartman a ?crit :
>
>
>> Is there a way to prevent a button from being hilited when  
>> clicked? I want to put hilite under script control, but the  
>> toggling of hilite happens before the mouseUp handler is entered.
>>
>
> Have a look at the autoHilite property and set it to false (there  
> is a checkbox in the property inspector).
> Then script mouseDown, mouseUp and mouseRelease handlers according  
> to you needs.
>
>
>> Also, more or less the same question about the "visited" property.  
>> I can set it false for all buttons in an openCard handler -- but  
>> as soon as one is clicked, before its mouseUp handler is called,  
>> the button's "visited" is already set to true.
>> So how can I tell within a button's mouseUp handler whether it's  
>> been clicked before? (If it has been, I want to prevent the hilite  
>> from toggling back and forth, and also prevent a "tasks to do"  
>> counter from being decremented.)
>>
>
> Normal behaviour:
>
> on mouseDown > visited = false (or true)
> on mouseUp > visited = true
>
> So check the visited property on mouseDown and set a flag to act  
> within the mouseUp handler:
>
> local lVisitedFlag
> ---------------------------
> on mouseDown
>   put the visited of me into lVisitedFlag
> end mouseDown
> ---------------------------
> on mouseUp
>   if lVisitedFlag then...
>   else...
> end mouseUp
>
>
> Best Regards from Paris,
>
> Eric Chatonet.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
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>
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> Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc.
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>
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From katir at hindu.org  Sat Jul 23 11:25:40 2005
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 05:25:40 -1000
Subject: Strange Entities from htmlText
In-Reply-To: <42E1F492.6080400@materiaprima.fsnet.co.uk>
References: <72BB4E23-5739-453D-9406-4DEF2E4A6B0B@hindu.org>
	<42E1F492.6080400@materiaprima.fsnet.co.uk>
Message-ID: <AAA528BB-53FD-40DB-94D7-E4395B75D1AB@hindu.org>

Aloha, Martin:

Thanks, that's definitely a clue... I'm not trained in these encoding  
issues, so I'm way out of my depth...

what's mystifying is  that I thought that the basic ANSI set (0-255)  
was the same in ASCII and Unicode

a) on the decimal list in BBEdit's ASCII 28 and29 are empty
b) put numToChar(28)  returns a strange square box with an X thru it  
in Rev.
c) 147 and 148 are  not even on BBEdit's list at all... and these are  
definitely double quotes of some kind in the original text

But, this is helpful..I need to to a lo-level byte by byte  
examination of some of the source text files...

Thanks

Sivakatirswami




On Jul 22, 2005, at 9:41 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> As a clue... One of the originating applications is (reasonably  
> enough) encoding the curly quotes as unicode entities:
>
> decimal 8220 and 8221.
>
> This is 201C and 201D in hex.
> 20 in hex = 32 in decimal which is space
> 1C in hex = 28 in decimal hence &#28;
> so 1D in hex = 29 in decimal hence &#29;
>
> Martin Baxter
>
> Sivakatirswami wrote:
>
>> I don't really think this is a Rev issue but actually some wierd   
>> Microsoft issue or an email issue?
>> Some text which originally came from MSWord, is passed to an  
>> email  (by cut and paste into mail.app on the mac) and then to a  
>> field. and  then output this via the "htmlText" property to an XML  
>> document which  is destined to run against a XSLT using xsltProc  
>> (run via shell  commands from a Rev UI) This XML file is then  
>> urlEncoded as prep for  uploading via POST ... a Rev CGI, gets the  
>> POST (engine is Darwin  running on Xserve..) which  urlDecodes it  
>> and saves it back to an XML  file.. goal being (obviously) that  
>> the XML on the server is exactly  the same as was generated by my  
>> rev app on the remote client, before  uploading
>> This system is working really well, btw...until I decided to make  
>> use  of the htmlText of that field...
>> In the original document I am seeing curly quotes and curly   
>> apostrophes... which were pasted into the original input field...   
>> now, my script cleans these up to  straight quotes first, and then  
>> we  get the htmlText...
>> htmlText result: [snippet from a complete XML file]
>> <p>In &#28;The Blessings of Children &#29; Tiruvalluvar begins by   
>> describing the benefits of having children and states that an   
>> intelligent child is the greatest blessing to the family and is   
>> indeed the family &#25;s real wealth.</p>
>> if I run this thru xsltProc against my style sheet (which is  
>> turning  the xml into a .shtml file) these all error out as  
>> "unknown  entities... unable to parse /file"
>> I don't see these entities on BBEdits Entity list... and the  
>> other  weird thing is the introduction of a space before the  
>> closing quote  or apostrophe...
>> And we also are seeing another gruesome manifestation:
>>  &#147;To foster a sense of self-worth in children, corporal   
>> punishment must be eliminated completely. To think that assaulting  
>> a  child--a criminal offense between adults--constitutes  
>> discipline, is  virtually insane. Yet, in the US, it is still  
>> legal in many states.  Discipline means to teach. The only thing  
>> the paddle teaches, is  hatred. This hatred is very often  
>> repressed and unconsciously  directed toward self. When this  
>> happens, you have crippled a mind for  life.&#148;
>> could the urlEncoding/Decoding be doing something nasty here?
>> And what is even wierder: if the user manually enters a quote or   
>> apostrophe in the field... we get what we expect to get:
>> &quote;
>> Any clues?
>> Sivakatirswami
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From bvg at mac.com  Sat Jul 23 11:38:26 2005
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:38:26 +0200
Subject: ChatRev DOWN!
Message-ID: <2c58c7d33f7901ac9c4f26e2cb63ba84@mac.com>

Hi fellow chat addicts

ChatRev will be down at least until Monday (pending miracle 
notwithstanding). I moved to a cheaper appartment (just one or two 
kilometres in the same town). I hoped that the adsl company would do a 
double line for a few day (At least they told me they would), but 
unfortunately there is no such thing happening (no phone either at the 
new place). So if you wanna chat this weekend you need to resolve to 
other means, for example ichat/aim, or the web based chatroom...
Note that this means the whole server is down, spending doom on the 
http://chatrev.cjb.net homepage, as well as any alternative clients.

I am sorry for any inconvenience

Bj?rnke von Gierke

-- 

http://contest.wecode.org
Now running: the first ChatRev coding contest!
sponsors:
Altuit
Andre Garzia
Fourth World
Karl Becker
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From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Sat Jul 23 12:10:52 2005
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 12:10:52 -0400
Subject: Scale an image from an absolute point
Message-ID: <OF23C49A73.F7A92015-ON85257047.0058050A@sealedair.com>

I need to scale an image from an absolute point within the image rect. 
This point will not be the loc or any of the 4 corners. The image must 
stay positioned (locked) by a point where the user clicks during the 
scaling routine. Does anyone have an idea of how to best approach this? I 
could calculate the offset from the loc of the image, but this changes as 
the image is dragged to be larger/smaller. Any ideas?

Kind Regards,
Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>




From jvalle at 1234web.net  Sat Jul 23 13:05:03 2005
From: jvalle at 1234web.net (J. Valle 1234web.net)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:05:03 +0200
Subject: Why choose Revolution
Message-ID: <20050723190335.2027.JVALLE@1234web.net>

Hi,

I've been playing for a couple of days with Revolution and Realbasic,
researching trought the lists, looking for the right tool to develop
cross platform commercial applications, but the main target platform
would be Windows and both tools looks specially focused on Mac OS.

Seems that Revolution has a loyal base of users but is less popular than
Realbasic, also a lot more expensive, the way documentation is organized
is not exactly intuitive and the main con is their exotic language and
programming paradigma.

Then the questions are:
- Why should choose Revolution instead Realbasic? comments from people
using both tools would be greatly appreciated
- Is this a mature tool to develop cross platform applications?
- I suppose that maturity is not a problem for Mac, but what about
Windows and Linux?
- What are the differences between Studio and Enterprise version? a
comparison table on your site would help to decide.

Thanks,
Jose
-- 
J. Valle 1234web.net <jvalle at 1234web.net>
www.1234web.net



From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Sat Jul 23 13:20:17 2005
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 13:20:17 -0400
Subject: Setting number of copies in print dialogue
In-Reply-To: <20050723072440.70674.qmail@web40528.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BF07F491.D8A3%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>


Does anyone know how to set the number of copies that will print on mac os
x? I imagine you have to do this with some kind of tiny applescript that
puts the number of copies in the dialogue. I used to do this manually but
with the new tiger bug that forces me to unchoose a printer and then
re-choose it before I can change the number of copies to print it has become
very time consuming.




From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Sat Jul 23 13:38:12 2005
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 12:38:12 -0500
Subject: Why choose Revolution
In-Reply-To: <20050723190335.2027.JVALLE@1234web.net>
References: <20050723190335.2027.JVALLE@1234web.net>
Message-ID: <00B51EE9-C955-4827-A3E1-5880EDC1D722@earthlink.net>

Jose

I've never used Real BASIC.  But, I cut my teeth on Applesoft BASIC  
years ago, so I'm a BASIC fan from way back.

That being said, the advantage I see to Rev is the fact that I can  
create an app on my Mac and port it to Windows at the very last  
minute (literally a few hours worth of work at most for a full app  
consisting of hundreds of cards, mainly checking every screen to make  
sure the fonts look OK).

Frankly, I find Transcript and BASIC to have a lot in common...exact  
commands may vary slightly but I rarely have trouble figuring out  
which command I need by referring to the Transcript Dictionary that  
comes with the full set of manuals.

The only disadvantage I've seen is that the interface is not all that  
well documented, so it takes a little while to get used to-- 
particularly if you've never used HyperCard (I had).  But that is a  
one-time only learning curve.

Rev is a real boon to Mac people who want to do seamless cross- 
platform development!

I use the full Enterprise version, so I can't help you with the  
differences between it and other, less expensive versions.

Marian


On Jul 23, 2005, at 12:05 PM, J. Valle 1234web.net wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've been playing for a couple of days with Revolution and Realbasic,
> researching trought the lists, looking for the right tool to develop
> cross platform commercial applications, but the main target platform
> would be Windows and both tools looks specially focused on Mac OS.
>
> Seems that Revolution has a loyal base of users but is less popular  
> than
> Realbasic, also a lot more expensive, the way documentation is  
> organized
> is not exactly intuitive and the main con is their exotic language and
> programming paradigma.
>
> Then the questions are:
> - Why should choose Revolution instead Realbasic? comments from people
> using both tools would be greatly appreciated
> - Is this a mature tool to develop cross platform applications?
> - I suppose that maturity is not a problem for Mac, but what about
> Windows and Linux?
> - What are the differences between Studio and Enterprise version? a
> comparison table on your site would help to decide.
>
> Thanks,
> Jose
> -- 
> J. Valle 1234web.net <jvalle at 1234web.net>
> www.1234web.net
>
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From pixelbird at interisland.net  Sat Jul 23 13:47:59 2005
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:47:59 -0700
Subject: blocking button hilite
In-Reply-To: <20050723170004.04F48824DA5@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050723170004.04F48824DA5@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <614413e349770b3f31da35b572de8368@interisland.net>


> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 09:19:42 -0400
> From: Charles Hartman <charles.hartman at conncoll.edu>
> Subject: blocking button hilite

> Is there a way to prevent a button from being hilited when clicked? I
> want to put hilite under script control, but the toggling of hilite
> happens before the mouseUp handler is entered.

it's a property called 'autoHilite', so:

set the autoHilite of cd btn x to false

-- or just uncheck it in the PI, IIRC.

HTH,
Ken N.



From revdan at danshafer.com  Sat Jul 23 14:06:21 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:06:21 -0700
Subject: Why choose Revolution
In-Reply-To: <20050723190335.2027.JVALLE@1234web.net>
References: <20050723190335.2027.JVALLE@1234web.net>
Message-ID: <F90E069F-2E60-4481-A26B-053266090EBD@danshafer.com>

Welcome to the conversation. I'm sure you'll be inundated with  
responses. I'll try to keep mine brief, but I'm not always very good  
at that. I write books for a living and sometimes my emails are book- 
like.

On Jul 23, 2005, at 10:05 AM, J. Valle 1234web.net wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've been playing for a couple of days with Revolution and Realbasic,
> researching trought the lists, looking for the right tool to develop
> cross platform commercial applications, but the main target platform
> would be Windows and both tools looks specially focused on Mac OS.
>
First, understand my comments about RealBASIC apply to Version 5.5. I  
have not looked at RB2005. I spent a fair amount of time looking at  
RB vs. Rev before I made the commitment to Rev about two years ago now.

That said, I believe you'll find creating Windows apps on OS X much  
easier and more direct with Rev than with RB. Rev's IDE runs on  
Windows so you can, with the right license, debug, test and fix your  
apps directly on Windows. Last time I looked, RB lets you *deploy* an  
app on Windows but if it breaks, you have to go back to the Mac to  
fix it and then re-deploy it. My guess is that would become tiresome  
and inefficient in a real hurry.

> Seems that Revolution has a loyal base of users but is less popular  
> than
> Realbasic, also a lot more expensive, the way documentation is  
> organized
> is not exactly intuitive and the main con is their exotic language and
> programming paradigma.
>
You are correct that RB has a larger installed base. It's been around  
a lot longer and has attracted quite a few Visual Basic refugees to  
swell its ranks.

"Expensive" is in the eyes of the evaluator. I think that the total  
cost of ownership (TCO) of a development tool is hard to forecast.  
But my feeling is that RB would turn out in the long run to be more  
expensive than Rev because of the xplat issues I mentioned above. The  
longer it takes to develop and deploy an application, the more costly  
the tool, regardless of initial price point.

The language in Rev may seem exotic to you (I take it you probably  
come from a more conventional language background, perhaps even  
Basic. By those standards, Transcript is different, perhaps even  
exotic. But it's a VHLL (Very High Level Language) while Basic is an  
HLL. This translates into two observations. First, you can often do  
in one line of Transcript what would take several (perhaps many)  
lines of Basic. Second, there's a lot more built into the language  
than in RB. So very often you find that a single line/component in  
Rev does what would take a lot of work in RB. When I used RB, I found  
that I had to work out very detailed descriptions of code at a  
relatively low level to write methods. In Transcript, I more often  
than not just start coding and what seems like it should work just  
does. Big plus.

That said, it's fair to say, too, that RB has true object orientation  
in its language. If you're an object thinker like I am, that's a very  
big attraction. One thing you can do in RB that you cannot do in Rev  
is to create new classes or types of UI components and other objects.  
Depending on your experience and approach and on your application's  
needs, that may or may not be important.


> Then the questions are:
> - Why should choose Revolution instead Realbasic? comments from people
> using both tools would be greatly appreciated
Above
> - Is this a mature tool to develop cross platform applications?
The language and the engine are very mature, in fact I think they're  
more mature than RB. The Revolution IDE still has quirks and bugs and  
workarounds and is very much a relatively stable work in progress. I  
have heard but cannot confirm from personal experience that RB 2005  
-- which has been completely rewritten in itself -- has a lot of bugs  
and issues in the IDE as well. Prior to that release, my assessment  
would have been that the IDE in RB was somewhat more stable  
principally from having so many more people beating on it.

> - I suppose that maturity is not a problem for Mac, but what about
> Windows and Linux?

See earlier comments re windows. Linux is farther along on Rev than  
on RB by quite a but but frankly neither tool does all that good a  
job there from what my limited testing and listening to this list  
reveals.

> - What are the differences between Studio and Enterprise version? a
> comparison table on your site would help to decide.
>
I'll let someone from RunRev answer.

> Thanks,
> Jose
> -- 
> J. Valle 1234web.net <jvalle at 1234web.net>
> www.1234web.net
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jul 23 14:12:51 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 13:12:51 -0500
Subject: Place vs copy
In-Reply-To: <16625590046.20050722143956@ahsoftware.net>
References: <16625590046.20050722143956@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <42E288A3.6000309@hyperactivesw.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:
> All-
> 
> I'm trying to apply some optimization techniques learned from the
> online scripting conferences. And running into snags.
> 
> "Placing" a group instead of copying and pasting it seems to turn its
> background behavior on. Is there something similar for non-background
> groups? Here's what I'm faced with - I'm currently pasting between
> some 100 to 300 copies of a single group onto a card. Is there a
> better way to do this than copy-once-paste-many?
> 

You should definitely be placing the group onto the cards in this case. 
Having 300 copies of a group will not only inflate the stack size, but 
you'd have to make any changes to it 300 times if you want to alter 
something.

Setting the backgroundbehavior of a group which has been placed on many 
cards makes sense (it changes the message path, which is usually what 
you want with a shared group.) But if you don't want group messages to 
happen after the card messages, then just turn off backgroundBehavior 
after you are done placing the group on all the cards.

Why wouldn't you want backgroundBehavior in this case? Does your stack 
create new cards on the fly where you don't want the group placed?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 23 14:45:54 2005
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:45:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [ANN] Beta Release for penToolv032d
In-Reply-To: <20050723073255.3905D824D69@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20050723184554.14225.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Developers,

Thanks a lot to all of you who
take time to test this stack! :-)

Issues reported:

> The Add point tool produces a loop
> that only could be stopped by quitting 
> the Development environment.

i suspect that this happens when you fail
to click "exactly" over the second vertex
point to add a point between two vertex
points. i had another idea to implement
this tool and hopefully it would require
only one click, not three clicks, like it 
requires now.

Actually to prevent this possible error,
i included a cursor change to signal that
you are exactly over a vertex point...
but looks like it's not working in this release.
i had it working thursday, but now, on friday
it stop functioning. Surely this is a problem that
started when i copy and paste elements from
other stacks...

> The graphic dissapeared when i click on it
> with the direct selection tool (to edit their
> vertex or control points)

This happen when there is mismatch between the
custom properties of the graphic named 
"bpoints" and "cpoints".
i had to implement a better checking mechanism
to failsafe the operations between these custom
properties. An undo feature could help a lot
until i device such failsafe mechanism.

Could anyone help to create a multiple undo
mechanism for editing operations of
vertex and control points? (like moving, adding, 
deleting, converting, etc...)

> The convert point tool has a mind of his own...
> It converts some points, but others not.

These choices are visible in the code of this
tool. initially, i thought that this tool must
only change a vertex to one of two states:
Change a vertex without control points
to a vertex with two control points....
or
Change a vertex with one or two control points
to a vertex without control points....

This idea proved to be very unsatisfactory,
so i changed to a result based in the context
of vertex adjacents. 

The result is the actual code, but it is far
from perfected. Any concrete recomendation 
(with examples or screenshots) to improve it
is more than welcome.

> The star tool does not have any code!
Good Question! :-D
Malte Brill and Jim Hurley have code
to draw many different kind of shapes. 
i'm sure they will fill this gap, 
as their time permits! ;-)

Thanks in advance for all your reviews of
this stack!

Have a nice weekend! :-)

al  

on Sat, 23 Jul 2005 
Alejandro Tejada wrote:

> Hi Developers,
> 
> Download the stack:
> "penToolv032d" from:
> 
> <http://aulasdigitales.net/penToolv032d.zip>
> 
> This Beta version has many glitches, so you
> must not run this stack while working in
> other important projects in RR, MC or DC.
> 
> This release include tools (in Beta) to
> add, delete and convert vertex and control
> points in vector graphics created with
> the tools of this stack.
> 
> Report errors (with recipe to replicate, 
> if possible) to my email: capellan2000 at yahoo.com
> 
> Thanks in advance for your time to test 
> and report the errors in this stack. ;-)
> 
> Have a nice weekend. :-)
> 
> al


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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sat Jul 23 14:50:22 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 13:50:22 -0500
Subject: Why choose Revolution
Message-ID: <BF07FB9E.25F89%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 7/23/05 12:05 PM, "J. Valle 1234web.net" <jvalle at 1234web.net> wrote:

Hi Jose,

First of all, thanks for posting your questions to the list... I know a
number of us will respond, but since I use both RealBasic and Revolution
(although a lot more Rev than RB), I figured I might be in a unique position
to respond.

BTW: I would recommend submitting your post to the RB list as well if you
haven't already - it's always best to get comments from both "sides".

> I've been playing for a couple of days with Revolution and Realbasic,
> researching trought the lists, looking for the right tool to develop
> cross platform commercial applications, but the main target platform
> would be Windows and both tools looks specially focused on Mac OS.

Actually, RB started on Mac and went to Windows and then finally Linux,
whereas Revolution (which used to be called MetaCard) started on Linux, went
to Windows, and then Mac. This means that there has been a Windows version
longer than a Mac version. So I think that at least in Rev's case, the
reason why it may look specially focused on Mac OS has more to do with
marketing than it does on capabilities. I develop cross-platform stuff and
find it equally enjoyable on either platform.
 
> Seems that Revolution has a loyal base of users but is less popular than
> Realbasic, also a lot more expensive, the way documentation is organized
> is not exactly intuitive and the main con is their exotic language and
> programming paradigma.

Let's start with pricing... you need to compare apples with apples here -
RealBasic is $99 for the standard version, but that only lets you develop
and *deploy* to a single platform. The Pro version is $399 and gives you
cross-platform compliation. And if you want to develop on multiple platforms
you need to buy a version for each. Revolution Studio is $299 and lets you
develop on a single platform, but deploy to *all* platforms. So Studio is
actually $100 cheaper than RB at this stage. If you only care about Mac and
Windows, you can add an extra platform for $199, which makes the total cost
about $500 to develop on both Mac and Windows. RB would cost your $800.

As to the documentation - you're right: it's not exactly intuitive, but
RunRev knows this and has been working hard to improve the docs (this is the
second iteration (third?) of the documentation and it keeps getting better.

For "exotic language", I have to say that it is not as exotic as you
think... it is an "x-Talk" language, and xTalk has been around since the 80s
and has been implemented in at least 8 different development environments
that I'm aware of (HyperCard, SuperCard, MetaCard, Revolution, HyperSense,
ToolBook, Plus/ObjectPlus/WinPlus, Oracle Media Objects).

I'm assuming you come from a Basic background, and it is definitely a
different animal. But it's english-like syntax and robust message-passing
model makes it an extremely flexible programming tool.

Geoff Canyon did a comparison whitepaper between the two environments in
2001, which although it is 4 years old still hots a lot of clear information
about the differences between the two tools:

  http://www.inspiredlogic.com/whitepaper/index.html

> Then the questions are:
> - Why should choose Revolution instead Realbasic? comments from people
> using both tools would be greatly appreciated

Well, a lot of my comments are covered in Geoff's whitepaper, but some
additional reasons would be:

- The fact that you can code and test immediately without having to compile
first. This makes development very fast.
- The message passing hierarchy and the ability to override messages. You
can put no code in objects and have the messages trapped at the card layer
(or lower) and execute things conditionally based on who the target of the
message is.
- Rev's ability to manipulate string data is second to none, IMHO, due to
chunk expressions, like:

  put word 2 of item 3 of line 1 of myVar into field "Test"

To do this in RB would require multiple lines of code and wouldn't be as
readable.

Additionally you can populate a list field or a popup menu by putting a
multi-line text varaible into the field/button in one go:

  put tUserList into fld "Users"
  put tUserList into btn "UserPop"

In RB you have to iterate through each line and add it to the list in a
loop.

- Rev also can do a lot of things with colors and patterns that can be done
by simply setting properties, whereas in RB you need to set up a Canvas
object (or equivlent) and paint it.

Basically it all boils down to speed and ease of development, combined with
the ability to wait until the last minute to build your standalone
applications for any/all platforms.

There are two things that RB has that Rev doesn't (yet) which may make the
difference on your decision-making:

1) RB is truly object oriented (i.e. you can create/manipulate classes and
work with instances of those classes). However keep in mind that most of
what you want class/instance behavior to do can be easily simulated in
Revolution - it's just that it's not *true* OO.

2) RB allows access to the Mac and Windows APIs directly; Rev doesn't.
Although I've found that 90% of what I might have wanted to get/do with the
API is native to Rev's functionality, so I haven't missed it much.

> - Is this a mature tool to develop cross platform applications?

Absolutely!

> - I suppose that maturity is not a problem for Mac, but what about
> Windows and Linux?

Definitely for Windows; Mac and Windows developers are the lion's share of
RunRev customers AFAIK, and so the Linux version has some bugs in it that
make it less stable. Of course, the RunRev guys are working on these.
 
> - What are the differences between Studio and Enterprise version? a
> comparison table on your site would help to decide.

Well, there *is* a comparison table, although it is by no means
comprehensive:

  http://runrev.com/section/platform.php

Basically it comes down to two things: platforms and add-ons.

- If you want to have the flexibility to develop and deploy on everything,
and have all the add-ons, pick Enterprise.  ($899)

- If you want to develop and deploy on multiple platforms, but don't need
SSL or Oracle support (or don't mind paying for the add-ons later), pick
Studio for your primary platform, and purchase additional editors for the
other platform(s) you want. ($299 for 1st platform, +$199 per add'l
platform)

- If you want to develop and deploy on a single platform, pick Studio.
($299)

Functionally both Studio and Enterprise are identical, although Enterprise
comes bundled with the SSL and Oracle DB add-ons.

Hope this helps,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com




From b.xavier at internet.lu  Sat Jul 23 15:03:31 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 21:03:31 +0200
Subject: Scale an image from an absolute point
In-Reply-To: <OF23C49A73.F7A92015-ON85257047.0058050A@sealedair.com>
Message-ID: <20050723185356.D4E09824D25@mail.runrev.com>

Hi Roger,

I presented a solution to that long ago, kind of...

It's called ResizeNO2, it's a TAOO plugin (a projet im
working on).

You're welcome to try improve it with your idea and
it shouldn't be hard...

you can download the plugin from MonsieurX.com's downloads
in the XOS plugins for RunRev. From there you can see how it's done at:

http://monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=78 

When you activate it, it allows you to resize controls by just
dragging any point near the edge - not just the corners. 

You can also move the objects and restrict their movement or
scaling via the shift and option keys (i observe Freehand rules)

ResizeNO2 is not perfect... let me know if you have any troubles...
It's free but support is held hostage against donations ;)

It's beta-release, read the about field. 
Not much incentive from the public to publish it... so it's been lingering
in low priority land...

cheers
Xavier


> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com
> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 18:11
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Scale an image from an absolute point
> 
> I need to scale an image from an absolute point within the 
> image rect. 
> This point will not be the loc or any of the 4 corners. The 
> image must stay positioned (locked) by a point where the user 
> clicks during the scaling routine. Does anyone have an idea 
> of how to best approach this? I could calculate the offset 
> from the loc of the image, but this changes as the image is 
> dragged to be larger/smaller. Any ideas?
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>
> 
> 
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From pixelbird at interisland.net  Sat Jul 23 15:21:43 2005
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 12:21:43 -0700
Subject: Scale an image from an absolute point
In-Reply-To: <20050723170004.04F48824DA5@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050723170004.04F48824DA5@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <088183a5c0debb8a9a81d2cc3acad517@interisland.net>

Hi Roger,

> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 12:10:52 -0400
> From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com
> Subject: Scale an image from an absolute point
>
> I need to scale an image from an absolute point within the image rect.
> This point will not be the loc or any of the 4 corners. The image must
> stay positioned (locked) by a point where the user clicks during the
> scaling routine. Does anyone have an idea of how to best approach 
> this? I
> could calculate the offset from the loc of the image, but this changes 
> as
> the image is dragged to be larger/smaller. Any ideas?

Get the mouseLoc and use the scale factor to reset the rect of the 
image based on the offset values. There are probably half-a-dozen ways 
to do it that will work. Just work out the math.

Here's a Q&D one (NOTE: Works only for upscale positive values; you'll 
need to tweak and polish for your purposes):

1) Create an image control and center it in the stack window

2) Create a short field named "ScaleFactor"

3) Put this into the script of the image (watch linewraps):

on mouseDown
   global gOrigRect
   put value(cd fld "ScaleFactor") into scaleFactor
   put the rect of me into gOrigRect
   put item 1 of the mouseLoc - (scaleFactor * (item 1 of the mouseLoc - 
the left of me)) into offsetL
   put item 2 of the mouseLoc - (scaleFactor * (item 2 of the mouseLoc - 
the top of me)) into offsetT
   put item 1 of the mouseLoc + (scaleFactor * (the right of me - item 1 
of the mouseLoc)) into offsetR
   put item 2 of the mouseLoc + (scaleFactor * (the bottom of me - item 
2 of the mouseLoc)) into offsetB
   lock screen
   set the rect of me to offsetL,offsetT,offsetR,offsetB
   unlock screen
end mouseDown

on mouseUp
   global gOrigRect
   set the rect of me to gOrigRect
end mouseUp


HTH,
Ken N.



From b.xavier at internet.lu  Sat Jul 23 16:04:21 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 22:04:21 +0200
Subject: Why choose Revolution
In-Reply-To: <20050723190335.2027.JVALLE@1234web.net>
Message-ID: <20050723195441.2C7B98248BE@mail.runrev.com>

Jose,

for what it's worth...

Im an old MacOS-only fan and now i work in NT enterprise 
developping software based administration tools to manage
a very large network of NT servers, data storage systems,
archival, backups and more (including active directory).

All this is possible in Rev. Compared to the orthodox 
languages (realbasic, vbs, .net, java, etc...), there is
overall a real pleasure creating or designing apps in Rev.

 Why?

The language is just "natural" and there's little it cant
do. Also it's directly interfaced into and within the 
GUI so it works "directly" - not through a tedious
compile cycle. So the KISS principle in Rev is by far
the best advantage you can have - do test=run. Fixes
are 10X easier (compared to C like languages).

On the downside, Rev lacks a lot of PC development tools.

threading, native 3D, more inklevels, real 32 bit alpha
channels ;) - just a matter of time before it comes...

access to the COM objects is missing as well so most of
ll the horrible restricted Windows APIs - which are usually
disregarded or not fully compatible but surely in the fixing
as we speak - Rev works hard for you! 

Think You are in a sandbox? 
While you can't benefit from "scripting" a native Windows API,
open file dialogs and the like are available but not the file trees
but nothing is preventing you from doing them! And many of us do
so with much more panache! An overal win win situation.

if you think rev is not oop, think differently...
And object oriented object-reuse is as easy as copy-paste in Rev!
Inheritance too (but GUI based, not memory object-oriented [yet].

An you can always write your own DLLs if you need so.
If you do (and note this involves a C compiler - gcc 
works apparently, VB6 and up should work no prob), 
then anything, i mean ANYTHING is possible. 

But it wont be crossplatform - unless you
write a C external in OSX. This is no surprise but
the real surprise is that for 99.9% of the cases, you
dont need an external, you write it in transcript and 
it will work on all platforms the same.

I exagerated a little, maybe... some things dont always 
work as expected - happens in all IDEs. But there's 
a nice and simple way out for every situation in rev... 

And the mailist has over 305% of all the answers possible!
Im not kidding, even the gurus admit to learning something 
new each day. We're humble, but we kick scripts in any one's
teeth in no time! ;)

And we get about 2 to 4 upgrades a year, not to mention
an ever quicker increasing number of tools to help you
and which most of us share freely or for a modest fee.

Rev allows you to use any standard you want, built-in
or not, etc. So there's no problems banking on it. It's
solid - but it does have many idiosyncraties that keep
baffling most users at one point. And for that there is
what not many other language offers - a great mailist and a web 
interface for bug management - at the user level - it's great...

Rev has it's troubles like many but it is also driven 
to make a difference - i can switch to ANY language i
want since 5 years ago, im glad im still with Rev ;)

Alas, management hasn't seen it that way yet ;)

For the comparison between licenses, it requires a 
little reading in the 
products or downloads sections (see purchase, etc...)
in the http://www.runrev.com web site, The mothership.

im the man behind http://MonsieurX.com - not the best 
example of rev stuff, quite experimental but surely 
a great place to see lots what rev can do and lots of
Rev links to find even more... I think i dont have them
all but i thrive to add new ones when possible!

Im also developing a radically new data-mining and 
knowledge management framework in Rev. I wouldn't 
even think about it if Rev wasn't up to par...

It would take me about 10X more times in any other
langauge... Most other IDEs are not capable of handling
"it" actualy...

sorry, im a little speeded - was just at a BMW z3 coupe 
meeting in Spa francorchamps - the race circuit we love! 
Some real racers and great hotdogs or frites and beer too! 

Including a 360HP Z3MCoupe racer for sale at just 42KEUs! 
That's cheaper than a stock Z3M back when you could buy them!
The carpet is gone though - not street legal either... 

And that springs a dozen new ideas for stacks to flourish ;)

Enjoy the ride! 
X

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> J. Valle 1234web.net
> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 19:05
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Why choose Revolution
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've been playing for a couple of days with Revolution and 
> Realbasic, researching trought the lists, looking for the 
> right tool to develop cross platform commercial applications, 
> but the main target platform would be Windows and both tools 
> looks specially focused on Mac OS.
> 
> Seems that Revolution has a loyal base of users but is less 
> popular than Realbasic, also a lot more expensive, the way 
> documentation is organized is not exactly intuitive and the 
> main con is their exotic language and programming paradigma.
> 
> Then the questions are:
> - Why should choose Revolution instead Realbasic? comments 
> from people using both tools would be greatly appreciated
> - Is this a mature tool to develop cross platform applications?
> - I suppose that maturity is not a problem for Mac, but what 
> about Windows and Linux?
> - What are the differences between Studio and Enterprise 
> version? a comparison table on your site would help to decide.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jose
> --
> J. Valle 1234web.net <jvalle at 1234web.net> www.1234web.net
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From jvalle at 1234web.net  Sat Jul 23 15:58:38 2005
From: jvalle at 1234web.net (J. Valle 1234web.net)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 21:58:38 +0200
Subject: Why choose Revolution
In-Reply-To: <088183a5c0debb8a9a81d2cc3acad517@interisland.net>
References: <20050723170004.04F48824DA5@mail.runrev.com>
	<088183a5c0debb8a9a81d2cc3acad517@interisland.net>
Message-ID: <20050723212634.60E8.JVALLE@1234web.net>

Hi,

thanks Marian and Dan.

As told you in my first post I did some research about this issue then I
have to give a chance to Revolution. Most of the comments did by Dan
insist in that way, yes Dan I read your thoughts in the list and other
places, tried a few hours and noticed the Revolution potential.

But probably because my poor English I was not able to explain well my
doubts.

We do mostly Internet business applications, think on CRM and intensive
database apps to got the idea. Normally are applications in the range of
30-50 tables, some of them storing a few millions records and accessed
for 10s of users at the same time. Normally 2-3 developers works on this
kind of applications for less than 6 months, it could give you a picture
about the complexity, is not rocket science but is not a personal
notebook. We will develop mainly over Windows platform but products
should be available in Windows, Mac OSX, Red Hat and Debian flavours,
those are the most common OSs used by our customers.

These are important things for us (if anybody can't point me to the
right url or readings to continue researching will help me to decide):

-As Dan wrote somewhere OOP and Revolution are closer but are not the
same. Some way to group code in classes/libraries and organize in
multiple layers is a must for this kind of applications. Then if you
can't use classes how could you organize the code to be reused and easy
to maintain and extend under the Revolution paradigm?

- Localization, very often applications works in 2 or 3 different
languages, need some way to store all needed strings in a common file or
resource.

- Interface customization, often applications also have to be adapted in
some way to the customer image and look, it means change colors and some
properties on a global way, think on a CSS style sheet, sometimes are
minor cosmetic changes others are very important changes.

Thanks in advance for your help
Jose
-- 
J. Valle 1234web.net <jvalle at 1234web.net>



From jvalle at 1234web.net  Sat Jul 23 16:02:43 2005
From: jvalle at 1234web.net (J. Valle 1234web.net)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 22:02:43 +0200
Subject: Why choose Revolution
In-Reply-To: <20050723212634.60E8.JVALLE@1234web.net>
References: <088183a5c0debb8a9a81d2cc3acad517@interisland.net>
	<20050723212634.60E8.JVALLE@1234web.net>
Message-ID: <20050723220208.60EB.JVALLE@1234web.net>

Sorry, sent to the wrong thread, please don't continue here.

Jose
-- 
J. Valle 1234web.net <jvalle at 1234web.net>



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sat Jul 23 16:11:18 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 22:11:18 +0200
Subject: [ANN][EN][FR] Thanks to Jim
Message-ID: <3C2C7738-EFD2-47A1-9A2F-B8291A99A904@sosmartsoftware.com>

Paris, Saturday, 23 July 2005

---------------------- English version -------------------------

Hello,

As you know it, my English is far from perfect...
Jim Bufalini, happy man you know through this list and who lives in  
Honolulu :-) edited the documentation of Resources Picker in perfect  
English, suggested some additional features (among others, a FAQ  
section) and, both, we updated Resources Picker Overview.
So It would be a good idea to downlad again Resources Picker, "the  
plugin which gives you the answers you need when programming" from  
http://www.sosmartsoftware.com in order to replace the Resources  
Picker Overview and benefit of a good documentation :-)

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.

--------------------- Version fran?aise ------------------------

Bonjour,

Avec toutes mes excuses pour ce couriel si seul le fran?ais vous  
int?resse.
Il annonce la r?vision de la documentation de Resources Picker  
Overview, le plugin "qui vous apporte sur un plateau les bonnes  
ressources dont vous avez besoin quand vous programmez" (disponible  
sur http://www.sosmartsoftware.com), dans un angais enfin  
parfaitement correct avec l'aide de Jim Bufalini, heureux homme qui  
vit ? Honolulu :-)

Cordialement,
Eric Chatonet.

-------------------------------------------------------------------
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Des logiciels sur mesure : gestion, multim?dia, internet, etc.
Windows, Mac OS et Linux... Avec la "french touch"

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Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc.
Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch
-------------------------------------------------------------------
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Email        eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com
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From jvalle at 1234web.net  Sat Jul 23 16:06:27 2005
From: jvalle at 1234web.net (J. Valle 1234web.net)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 22:06:27 +0200
Subject: Why choose Revolution
In-Reply-To: <20050723195441.2C7B98248BE@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050723190335.2027.JVALLE@1234web.net>
	<20050723195441.2C7B98248BE@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20050723220607.60ED.JVALLE@1234web.net>

Hi,

thanks Marian and Dan.

As told you in my first post I did some research about this issue then I
have to give a chance to Revolution. Most of the comments did by Dan
insist in that way, yes Dan I read your thoughts in the list and other
places, tried a few hours and noticed the Revolution potential.

But probably because my poor English I was not able to explain well my
doubts.

We do mostly Internet business applications, think on CRM and intensive
database apps to got the idea. Normally are applications in the range of
30-50 tables, some of them storing a few millions records and accessed
for 10s of users at the same time. Normally 2-3 developers works on this
kind of applications for less than 6 months, it could give you a picture
about the complexity, is not rocket science but is not a personal
notebook. We will develop mainly over Windows platform but products
should be available in Windows, Mac OSX, Red Hat and Debian flavours,
those are the most common OSs used by our customers.

These are important things for us (if anybody can't point me to the
right url or readings to continue researching will help me to decide):

-As Dan wrote somewhere OOP and Revolution are closer but are not the
same. Some way to group code in classes/libraries and organize in
multiple layers is a must for this kind of applications. Then if you
can't use classes how could you organize the code to be reused and easy
to maintain and extend under the Revolution paradigm?

- Localization, very often applications works in 2 or 3 different
languages, need some way to store all needed strings in a common file or
resource.

- Interface customization, often applications also have to be adapted in
some way to the customer image and look, it means change colors and some
properties on a global way, think on a CSS style sheet, sometimes are
minor cosmetic changes others are very important changes.

Thanks in advance for your help
Jose
-- 
J. Valle 1234web.net <jvalle at 1234web.net>



From jvalle at 1234web.net  Sat Jul 23 16:09:57 2005
From: jvalle at 1234web.net (J. Valle 1234web.net)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 22:09:57 +0200
Subject: Why choose Revolution
In-Reply-To: <20050723195441.2C7B98248BE@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050723190335.2027.JVALLE@1234web.net>
	<20050723195441.2C7B98248BE@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20050723220632.60EF.JVALLE@1234web.net>

Hi X,

nice comments, that is one of the things because I asked before take a
decission, this list is great.

I can accept everything you said and I know that no language or tool is
perfect, but there is a point that don't understand yet, how reuse and
extend code? You said...
> 
> if you think rev is not oop, think differently...
> And object oriented object-reuse is as easy as copy-paste in Rev!
> Inheritance too (but GUI based, not memory object-oriented [yet].
> 


Thanks,
Jose
-- 
J. Valle 1234web.net <jvalle at 1234web.net>




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jul 23 16:34:03 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 13:34:03 -0700
Subject: Why choose Revolution
In-Reply-To: <20050723190335.2027.JVALLE@1234web.net>
References: <20050723190335.2027.JVALLE@1234web.net>
Message-ID: <42E2A9BB.60700@fourthworld.com>

J. Valle 1234web.net wrote:
> Seems that Revolution has a loyal base of users but is less popular than
> Realbasic, also a lot more expensive, the way documentation is organized
> is not exactly intuitive and the main con is their exotic language and
> programming paradigma.

A lot more expensive? "The Meme That Wouldn't Die." Seems I only hear 
that in discussions with people who've been talking to the RB crowd. 
Curious.

Many, many years ago what is now the Revolution engine was called 
MetaCard, and it was effectively an exclusive private club with a price 
of admission of $995.  I've never met anyone who didn't feel they got an 
outstanding value at that price, but when RunRev acquired the engine 
they introduced two lower-priced options to cover broader markets than 
just the high-end professionals like Sun and Novell (and me <g>) who had 
been using MetaCard.

If you step back from the spin and look carefully at what each package 
provides, I think you'll agree the prices are at least on par.

And yes, Rev is definitely an unusual way of working.  Those who use it 
often report much higher productivity than with more traditional tools, 
but the decision to buy comes down to one's goals.

If you're just looking to flesh out a resume then Java would be your 
better bet.  Like BASIC it's a lower-level language than Rev's 
Transcript, so the number of lines to accomplish a given task is roughly 
on par with other 3GLs.  There are many more tools and examples for Java 
than for proprietary variants of BASIC, it can be used on more 
platforms, and modern Java compilers offer quite good performance; 
indeed a growing number of commercial and open source desktop 
applications are written in Java.  And in terms of jobs, I'd guess the 
number of openings for Java are a few orders of magnitude more than for 
any proprietary language.

But if you're writing software for yourself and clients, you may not 
want to dismss Rev so quickly.  Its unusual paradigm offers unusual 
productivity -- no compile-runtime cycle, strong rich-media support, 
good performance usually at least on par with Java and most BASIC 
implementations, uncommonly simple and efficient string parsing, and a 
lot more.

John Ousterhout's seminal paper on scripting covers a lot on the 
productivity angle of higher-level languages:
<http://www.tcl.tk/doc/scripting.html>

His position on TCL applies to Rev, and then some.

But of course the proof is in the pudding.  I'd recommend doing the 
tutorials in each, and if you decide on one it would be helpful for the 
other to drop the vendor a note to let them know why.

I agree with you on the current documentation structure, though it's 
worth noting that those are being reworked as I write this.  It would be 
a shame if the taxonomy of the current docs prevented you from enjoying 
what Rev has to offer, and it would be valuable for RunRev to know if 
that's the case.

And of course you have this list.  When I was learning Pascal and later 
C and C++, I wouldn't have gotten very far without a strong community to 
help my learning.  That seems to be the case with most languages, so 
you've already taken the most important step toward highly productive 
work with this one.

Keep those questions coming....

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jul 23 16:42:04 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 13:42:04 -0700
Subject: Why choose Revolution
In-Reply-To: <20050723212634.60E8.JVALLE@1234web.net>
References: <20050723170004.04F48824DA5@mail.runrev.com>	<088183a5c0debb8a9a81d2cc3acad517@interisland.net>
	<20050723212634.60E8.JVALLE@1234web.net>
Message-ID: <42E2AB9C.6050604@fourthworld.com>

J. Valle 1234web.net wrote:
> We do mostly Internet business applications, think on CRM and intensive
> database apps to got the idea. Normally are applications in the range of
> 30-50 tables, some of them storing a few millions records and accessed
> for 10s of users at the same time. Normally 2-3 developers works on this
> kind of applications for less than 6 months, it could give you a picture
> about the complexity, is not rocket science but is not a personal
> notebook. We will develop mainly over Windows platform but products
> should be available in Windows, Mac OSX, Red Hat and Debian flavours,
> those are the most common OSs used by our customers.

In such an environment it seems the UI tool is perhaps less significant 
than the underlying DB engine.  Rev provides interfaces for MySQL, 
Oracle, and others, so you can pick the one that's most appropriate for 
you easily.

> These are important things for us (if anybody can't point me to the
> right url or readings to continue researching will help me to decide):
> 
> -As Dan wrote somewhere OOP and Revolution are closer but are not the
> same. Some way to group code in classes/libraries and organize in
> multiple layers is a must for this kind of applications. Then if you
> can't use classes how could you organize the code to be reused and easy
> to maintain and extend under the Revolution paradigm?

This may help:

Extending the Runtime Revolution Message Path
An introduction to using Libraries, FrontScripts, and BackScripts
in Runtime Revolution's Transcript Programming Language
<http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/revolution_message_path.html>

FWIW, about 80% of most applications I write these days start from 
libraries of resusable components.

> - Localization, very often applications works in 2 or 3 different
> languages, need some way to store all needed strings in a common file or
> resource.

See Rev's Profile Manager as one way to handle localization.

> - Interface customization, often applications also have to be adapted in
> some way to the customer image and look, it means change colors and some
> properties on a global way, think on a CSS style sheet, sometimes are
> minor cosmetic changes others are very important changes.

Rev can create and modify any object in its obejct model dynamically on 
the fly, and with impressive speed.

You may also want to take a moment to play with Rev's inheritance for 
visual properties (text attributes, colors, etc.) to see how you can set 
these values at the stack level and have them applied to all objects 
within it.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From pixelbird at interisland.net  Sat Jul 23 16:43:11 2005
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 13:43:11 -0700
Subject: Scale an image from an absolute point
In-Reply-To: <20050723200253.C1444824DB6@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050723200253.C1444824DB6@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <7d9e38f34ad618cdeacdd6649b22e9bc@interisland.net>


P.S.,

> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 12:21:43 -0700
> From: Ken Norris <pixelbird at interisland.net>
> Subject: Re: Scale an image from an absolute point

 From the previous posted script:

>    lock screen
>    set the rect of me to offsetL,offsetT,offsetR,offsetB
>    unlock screen

You don't need the lock/unlock screen lines; they got left in from when 
I was playing with it.

All the best,
Ken N.



From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Sat Jul 23 16:56:21 2005
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 22:56:21 +0200
Subject: Deep-mask feature revisited and snapshots
Message-ID: <42E2AEF5.1030607@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

When looking through one of my tutorial stacks using Rev 2.6.5 (BN 108) 
I observed - when the windowshape property is used and the deep-mask 
feature is set because of an transparent image -

a) a slowing down of script execution if surface properties of objects 
are involved, like changing the color or label

b) that it is impossible to take a snapshot of or from part of a 
deep-masked stack, neither within Rev or the Metacard IDE nor with an 
external graphics program like "Paintshop Pro"

A. Slowing down

The time needed to change backgroundcolors of four buttons (width of 
button = 234;height of button = 48) without deep mask is 4 milliseconds 
on my main computer (Windows XP, 2 GHz).
I mention the size of the buttons because the larger the objects are the 
more time is needed to "refresh" the objects in deep-mask mode.
Changing the labels of the four buttons takes only 1 milliseconds.

When deep mask is set the time needed increases to 190 milliseconds on 
the average for both the backcolors and the labels, which results in an 
awkward sequential and noticeable change. If "lock screen" is used 
script execution is still about 20 times slower than without set deep mask.

B. Snapshots

One of the many differences between the Metacard and Rev IDE is that in 
Rev all open stacks immediately disappear when you choose "Import as 
Control" and "Snapshot". This is not that way in the Metacard IDE where 
it is possible to take a snapshot of a stack window - or part of a stack 
window - you intend to present on your website or attach to an email. Of 
course you can script a snapshot of a stack, this possibility remains in 
Rev.

But if you try to take a snapshot of a stack even in the MC IDE where 
the stacks remain visible, if you select the whole or part of a visible 
deep-mask stack, all you get is the screen background behind it.

Using an external tool like "Paintshop Pro" fails likewise, a deep-mask 
stack seems to possess its own degree of visibility that eludes the 
possibilities of taking snapshots, scripted or via menu commands or 
using external tools.

The only way that remains for a deep-mask stack is to get out your 
digital camera and take a real "screenshot" from the outside.--

I came across these problems, because a couple of weeks ago - while I 
was sitting in the computer lab of Florida International University - I 
had received a message from Richmond Mathewson (now in Bulgaria) 
concerning multiple choice formats. After having come home recently and 
after necessary re-organising and resettling after a longer stay abroad, 
I finally managed to take a second look at my Multiple Choice Tutorial 
(which is available for inspection on my website).
I will address the issue of multiple-choice formats in one of my next posts.

Regards,

Wilhelm Sanke
<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>




From revolution at derbrill.de  Sat Jul 23 17:25:57 2005
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 23:25:57 +0200
Subject: Rev CGI argumets for ISP
In-Reply-To: <20050723200254.43407824DB2@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <5B7D86EE-FBC0-11D9-94EE-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>

Hi list,

I?ve talked to my ISP if it was possible to use rev CGI on their  
servers. They are potentially interested to allow it, but need more  
technical details on stability, security, etc. . So if there is some  
kind of FAQ on Rev CGIs somewhere or some articles (besides the  
excellent getting started pages by Jaque) I would be glad if you let me  
know.

Cheers,

Malte



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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jul 23 18:26:03 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:26:03 -0700
Subject: Rev CGI argumets for ISP
In-Reply-To: <5B7D86EE-FBC0-11D9-94EE-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>
References: <5B7D86EE-FBC0-11D9-94EE-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <42E2C3FB.2070006@fourthworld.com>

Malte Brill wrote:
> Hi list,
> 
> I?ve talked to my ISP if it was possible to use rev CGI on their  
> servers. They are potentially interested to allow it, but need more  
> technical details on stability, security, etc. . So if there is some  
> kind of FAQ on Rev CGIs somewhere or some articles (besides the  
> excellent getting started pages by Jaque) I would be glad if you let me  
> know.

I keep forgetting which additional libraries need to be installed with 
the engine to do that.

Anyone have those handy?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jul 23 19:25:17 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:25:17 -0700
Subject: Place vs copy
In-Reply-To: <42E288A3.6000309@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <16625590046.20050722143956@ahsoftware.net>
	<42E288A3.6000309@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <132118311342.20050723162517@ahsoftware.net>

Jacque-

Saturday, July 23, 2005, 11:12:51 AM, you wrote:

JLG> Mark Wieder wrote:
>> All-
>> 
>> I'm trying to apply some optimization techniques learned from the
>> online scripting conferences. And running into snags.
>> 
>> "Placing" a group instead of copying and pasting it seems to turn its
>> background behavior on. Is there something similar for non-background
>> groups? Here's what I'm faced with - I'm currently pasting between
>> some 100 to 300 copies of a single group onto a card. Is there a
>> better way to do this than copy-once-paste-many?
>> 

JLG> You should definitely be placing the group onto the cards in this case.
JLG> Having 300 copies of a group will not only inflate the stack size, but
JLG> you'd have to make any changes to it 300 times if you want to alter
JLG> something.

JLG> Setting the backgroundbehavior of a group which has been placed on many
JLG> cards makes sense (it changes the message path, which is usually what
JLG> you want with a shared group.) But if you don't want group messages to
JLG> happen after the card messages, then just turn off backgroundBehavior
JLG> after you are done placing the group on all the cards.

JLG> Why wouldn't you want backgroundBehavior in this case? Does your stack
JLG> create new cards on the fly where you don't want the group placed?

Well, here's what I'm doing:

I've got a template group which contains a few fields. I need to place
many copies of this group onto a card and I then set the name of the
newly created copy to a unique indicator. I'm not using multiple cards
here except that I've now got the template group on a "templates" card
so that I can place it. Otherwise all the copies to onto a single
card. Think of a crossword grid where each square is a separate group.

The first problem I run into is that if I "place" the template group
onto the card and then rename it, the template group is also renamed
(and made into a background group). Therefore the second attempt to
place another copy of the template fails because the original can't be
found. I don't really care whether backgroundBehavior is turned on or
off on the copy, but making the original a background group prevents
me from placing other copies.

I think making multiple copies of the group and pasting them onto the
card is what I'm stuck with here. My guess is that "place" makes an
alias of the original group and pastes it into the destination,
enabling backgroundBehavior along the way.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Sat Jul 23 19:34:44 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:34:44 -0400
Subject: declaring arrays?
Message-ID: <539AFE2E-6685-4717-AEAA-46046C0FAA8D@conncoll.edu>

I'm sure I'm missing something simple here. (Still learning  
Transcript-speak.) I need to have a global array, just eight  
elements, all initialized to false, set to true one by one in various  
scripts to measure progress toward a goal. In my main stack's script  
I have

global gInteractLineDone

and in its openStack handler,

   repeat with n = 1 to 8
     put false into gInteractLineDone[n]
   end repeat

But when I check in variableWatcher, I can't see any value in  
gInteractLineDone at all. (And my later scripts don't seem to do  
anything to it; yes, it's declared global in those scripts.) Do I  
need to declare the variable as an array somehow? Is there a way,  
that I've just plain missed, of initializing a variable at the same  
time as declaring its scope?

Sorry, I'm just getting started with arrays here.

Charles Hartman



From see3d at writeme.com  Sat Jul 23 20:29:48 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:29:48 -0400
Subject: declaring arrays?
In-Reply-To: <539AFE2E-6685-4717-AEAA-46046C0FAA8D@conncoll.edu>
References: <539AFE2E-6685-4717-AEAA-46046C0FAA8D@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <C49704A0-D3CB-47D7-9FC4-3643E1A26DC4@writeme.com>

Charles,

What version of Rev are you running?
The ability to see array contents was added in 2.6, but you have to  
click on it to see the contents in the lower frame.
Arrays are not initialized or declared any different than any other  
variable.
When you put something into a variable with a [key], Rev creates the  
key and element.
If you ask for a [key] that does not yet exist, Rev hands you back an  
empty.
What you wrote should work.

Dennis

On Jul 23, 2005, at 7:34 PM, Charles Hartman wrote:

> I'm sure I'm missing something simple here. (Still learning  
> Transcript-speak.) I need to have a global array, just eight  
> elements, all initialized to false, set to true one by one in  
> various scripts to measure progress toward a goal. In my main  
> stack's script I have
>
> global gInteractLineDone
>
> and in its openStack handler,
>
>   repeat with n = 1 to 8
>     put false into gInteractLineDone[n]
>   end repeat
>
> But when I check in variableWatcher, I can't see any value in  
> gInteractLineDone at all. (And my later scripts don't seem to do  
> anything to it; yes, it's declared global in those scripts.) Do I  
> need to declare the variable as an array somehow? Is there a way,  
> that I've just plain missed, of initializing a variable at the same  
> time as declaring its scope?
>
> Sorry, I'm just getting started with arrays here.
>
> Charles Hartman
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From davis.phil at comcast.net  Sat Jul 23 20:47:14 2005
From: davis.phil at comcast.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:47:14 -0700
Subject: Rev CGI argumets for ISP
In-Reply-To: <42E2C3FB.2070006@fourthworld.com>
References: <5B7D86EE-FBC0-11D9-94EE-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>
	<42E2C3FB.2070006@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <42E2E512.106@comcast.net>

I found an old message on the Metacard list archives about this:
http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard at lists.runrev.com/msg07942.html

At that time (22 Jan 2003) the lib in question was 'libXext.so.6'.

Phil Davis



Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Malte Brill wrote:
> 
>> Hi list,
>>
>> I?ve talked to my ISP if it was possible to use rev CGI on their  
>> servers. They are potentially interested to allow it, but need more  
>> technical details on stability, security, etc. . So if there is some  
>> kind of FAQ on Rev CGIs somewhere or some articles (besides the  
>> excellent getting started pages by Jaque) I would be glad if you let 
>> me  know.
> 
> 
> I keep forgetting which additional libraries need to be installed with 
> the engine to do that.
> 
> Anyone have those handy?
> 
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal
>  _______________________________________________________
>  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com



From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 23 21:18:15 2005
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 18:18:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Scale an image from an absolute point
In-Reply-To: <20050723170004.87EF6824DA6@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20050724011815.91603.qmail@web40506.mail.yahoo.com>

on Sat, 23 Jul 2005
Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com
wrote:

> I need to scale an image from an absolute point
> within the image rect. 
> This point will not be the loc or any of the 4
> corners. The image must 
> stay positioned (locked) by a point where the user
> clicks during the 
> scaling routine. Does anyone have an idea of how to
> best approach this? I 
> could calculate the offset from the loc of the
> image, but this changes as 
> the image is dragged to be larger/smaller. Any
> ideas?

Hi Roger,

Could you use a vector graphic to show the scale
of the image as it resizes?
In this way, when the user stop resizing the graphic, 
set the rectangle of the image to the rect of the
graphic.

or...

Do you had to show in real time the image change
in size, as the user resizes the image?

The stack "penToolv32c" have code to
resize a vector graphic from a point
the user clicked. It is in the stack 
with the Transformation tools: scale,
rotate, skew and flip. Notice, this code
uses matrices for resize calculations.

You could download it from:

<http://geocities.com/capellan2000/penToolv032c.zip>

Have a nice weekend.

al


Visit my site:
http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/


		
____________________________________________________
Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page 
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs 
 


From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Sat Jul 23 21:32:33 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 21:32:33 -0400
Subject: declaring arrays?
In-Reply-To: <C49704A0-D3CB-47D7-9FC4-3643E1A26DC4@writeme.com>
References: <539AFE2E-6685-4717-AEAA-46046C0FAA8D@conncoll.edu>
	<C49704A0-D3CB-47D7-9FC4-3643E1A26DC4@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <AD034F1A-B7F6-4A23-B982-8098274ADDC3@conncoll.edu>

It does. Stupid me. VarWatcher does show the values after my  
initialization. What isn't working, rather, is that the openCard  
handler that needs to check these values is not being called at all,  
for some reason. Which is probably something else small that I'm  
missing. I'll keep staring at it. No spelling erorr, as far as I can  
see.

Thanks.

Charles Hartman


On Jul 23, 2005, at 8:29 PM, Dennis Brown wrote:

> Charles,
>
> What version of Rev are you running?
> The ability to see array contents was added in 2.6, but you have to  
> click on it to see the contents in the lower frame.
> Arrays are not initialized or declared any different than any other  
> variable.
> When you put something into a variable with a [key], Rev creates  
> the key and element.
> If you ask for a [key] that does not yet exist, Rev hands you back  
> an empty.
> What you wrote should work.
>
> Dennis
>
> On Jul 23, 2005, at 7:34 PM, Charles Hartman wrote:
>
>
>> I'm sure I'm missing something simple here. (Still learning  
>> Transcript-speak.) I need to have a global array, just eight  
>> elements, all initialized to false, set to true one by one in  
>> various scripts to measure progress toward a goal. In my main  
>> stack's script I have
>>
>> global gInteractLineDone
>>
>> and in its openStack handler,
>>
>>   repeat with n = 1 to 8
>>     put false into gInteractLineDone[n]
>>   end repeat
>>
>> But when I check in variableWatcher, I can't see any value in  
>> gInteractLineDone at all. (And my later scripts don't seem to do  
>> anything to it; yes, it's declared global in those scripts.) Do I  
>> need to declare the variable as an array somehow? Is there a way,  
>> that I've just plain missed, of initializing a variable at the  
>> same time as declaring its scope?
>>
>> Sorry, I'm just getting started with arrays here.
>>
>> Charles Hartman
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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From gandalf at doctortimothyMiller.com  Sat Jul 23 22:59:18 2005
From: gandalf at doctortimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:59:18 -0700
Subject: How do I edit a bg image?
Message-ID: <p06110400bf08a3e4dac1@[66.81.39.144]>

Howdy, y'all,

Because my Rev stacks are HC imports, all the bitmapped text and 
graphics from each HC background became a single background image in 
Rev. (Unless I misunderstood something, which is quite possible.) I 
know how to identify the images, make them visible and invisible, 
change their locations, and so on, but I'd like to edit some of them. 
How do I do that?

As usual, I searched the docs, but couldn't find anything. If the 
information is in there, it's hard to find.


Thanks in advance,


Tim


From davis.phil at comcast.net  Sun Jul 24 00:47:41 2005
From: davis.phil at comcast.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 21:47:41 -0700
Subject: How do I edit a bg image?
In-Reply-To: <p06110400bf08a3e4dac1@[66.81.39.144]>
References: <p06110400bf08a3e4dac1@[66.81.39.144]>
Message-ID: <42E31D6D.9050100@comcast.net>

Timothy Miller wrote:
> Howdy, y'all,
> 
> Because my Rev stacks are HC imports, all the bitmapped text and 
> graphics from each HC background became a single background image in 
> Rev. (Unless I misunderstood something, which is quite possible.) I know 
> how to identify the images, make them visible and invisible, change 
> their locations, and so on, but I'd like to edit some of them. How do I 
> do that?

Hi Timothy,

I haven't done any HC-->Rev conversions in years, but here are some ideas.



1) You could export the image using a button containing the following 
code, edit the image outside the RunRev environment, then import it back 
in. (Or set the filename of the bg image object to the file's name.)

Before running this, you'll need to know the ID of the image to export 
(unless it's the only image):

on mouseUp
   -- identify where to save the exported image
   ask file "Save exported image as:"
   if it = empty then exit mouseUp -- cancelled
   put it into tImageFilename

   -- identify which image to export
   if the number of images > 1
   then
     ask "Export which image? (Enter a 'short' image ID.)"
     if it = empty then exit mouseUp -- cancelled
     put it into tID
   else
     put the short id of image 1 into tID
   end if

   -- export the image
   export image id tID to file tImageFilename as PNG -- or JPEG, or...
end mouseUp



2) You could take a look at Richard Gaskin's 4wCamera plug-in. I use it 
often for making images. See if it gives you what you need.



3) Have you tried using RunRev's image editing tools? That might also 
give you what you need. At the bottom of the Tools palette there's a 
line with a small up-arrow at the right end. Click the arrow to reveal 
the paint tools.


HTH - it'll at least give you some starting points.

Phil Davis



From davis.phil at comcast.net  Sun Jul 24 01:04:31 2005
From: davis.phil at comcast.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 22:04:31 -0700
Subject: Failed search phrases
In-Reply-To: <p06110400bf08a3e4dac1@[66.81.39.144]>
References: <p06110400bf08a3e4dac1@[66.81.39.144]>
Message-ID: <42E3215F.8010500@comcast.net>

Timothy Miller wrote:
> Howdy, y'all,
> 
--- snip ---
> 
> As usual, I searched the docs, but couldn't find anything. If the 
> information is in there, it's hard to find.


I suspect this happens often. For this reason, I sometimes wish there 
were a Rev feature we could turn on which would collect our failed Docs 
search phrases, give us space to explain in longhand what we're looking 
for, and send the phrase and the explanation to RunRev. The purpose of 
the feature would be to inform those who create the docs of the language 
we use when searching, so maybe the docs could be brought more in line 
with our way of looking for info.

Food for thought.
Phil Davis



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jul 24 01:08:38 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 00:08:38 -0500
Subject: Place vs copy
In-Reply-To: <132118311342.20050723162517@ahsoftware.net>
References: <16625590046.20050722143956@ahsoftware.net>	<42E288A3.6000309@hyperactivesw.com>
	<132118311342.20050723162517@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <42E32256.7090906@hyperactivesw.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:

> I think making multiple copies of the group and pasting them onto the
> card is what I'm stuck with here. My guess is that "place" makes an
> alias of the original group and pastes it into the destination,
> enabling backgroundBehavior along the way.
> 

Yes, it sounds like you are stuck with that. I didn't know you were 
trying to put multiple copies on the same card. Groups aren't meant to 
do that and I don't think you can.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jul 24 01:13:58 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 00:13:58 -0500
Subject: How do I edit a bg image?
In-Reply-To: <p06110400bf08a3e4dac1@[66.81.39.144]>
References: <p06110400bf08a3e4dac1@[66.81.39.144]>
Message-ID: <42E32396.5040207@hyperactivesw.com>

Timothy Miller wrote:
> Howdy, y'all,
> 
> Because my Rev stacks are HC imports, all the bitmapped text and 
> graphics from each HC background became a single background image in 
> Rev. (Unless I misunderstood something, which is quite possible.) I know 
> how to identify the images, make them visible and invisible, change 
> their locations, and so on, but I'd like to edit some of them. How do I 
> do that?

The image is the same as any other. You can use Rev's paint tools to 
edit it after you make it visible. Note that if it is a background 
image, you have to go into bg edit mode first (use "Edit group" in the 
Objects menu to get there.)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Jul 24 01:23:55 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 22:23:55 -0700
Subject: Place vs copy
In-Reply-To: <42E32256.7090906@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <16625590046.20050722143956@ahsoftware.net>
	<42E288A3.6000309@hyperactivesw.com>
	<132118311342.20050723162517@ahsoftware.net>
	<42E32256.7090906@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <184139829654.20050723222355@ahsoftware.net>

Jacque-

Saturday, July 23, 2005, 10:08:38 PM, you wrote:

JLG> Yes, it sounds like you are stuck with that. I didn't know you were
JLG> trying to put multiple copies on the same card. Groups aren't meant to
JLG> do that and I don't think you can.

Thanks. I'm fine with that. It's fairly fast, does what I want, and I
don't really need persistent storage of the screen image. Just trying
to explore new possibilities for optimization.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From b.xavier at internet.lu  Sun Jul 24 02:26:17 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 08:26:17 +0200
Subject: Deep-mask feature revisited and snapshots
In-Reply-To: <42E2AEF5.1030607@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <20050724061631.33876824D43@mail.runrev.com>

if you try the normal shift-printscreenKey command in windows
you will be able to paste the image...

no camera needed! ;)

cheers
Xavier

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Wilhelm Sanke
> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 22:56
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Deep-mask feature revisited and snapshots
> 
> When looking through one of my tutorial stacks using Rev 
> 2.6.5 (BN 108) I observed - when the windowshape property is 
> used and the deep-mask feature is set because of an 
> transparent image -
> 
> a) a slowing down of script execution if surface properties 
> of objects are involved, like changing the color or label
> 
> b) that it is impossible to take a snapshot of or from part 
> of a deep-masked stack, neither within Rev or the Metacard 
> IDE nor with an external graphics program like "Paintshop Pro"
> 
> A. Slowing down
> 
> The time needed to change backgroundcolors of four buttons 
> (width of button = 234;height of button = 48) without deep 
> mask is 4 milliseconds on my main computer (Windows XP, 2 GHz).
> I mention the size of the buttons because the larger the 
> objects are the more time is needed to "refresh" the objects 
> in deep-mask mode.
> Changing the labels of the four buttons takes only 1 milliseconds.
> 
> When deep mask is set the time needed increases to 190 
> milliseconds on the average for both the backcolors and the 
> labels, which results in an awkward sequential and noticeable 
> change. If "lock screen" is used script execution is still 
> about 20 times slower than without set deep mask.
> 
> B. Snapshots
> 
> One of the many differences between the Metacard and Rev IDE 
> is that in Rev all open stacks immediately disappear when you 
> choose "Import as Control" and "Snapshot". This is not that 
> way in the Metacard IDE where it is possible to take a 
> snapshot of a stack window - or part of a stack window - you 
> intend to present on your website or attach to an email. Of 
> course you can script a snapshot of a stack, this possibility 
> remains in Rev.
> 
> But if you try to take a snapshot of a stack even in the MC 
> IDE where the stacks remain visible, if you select the whole 
> or part of a visible deep-mask stack, all you get is the 
> screen background behind it.
> 
> Using an external tool like "Paintshop Pro" fails likewise, a 
> deep-mask stack seems to possess its own degree of visibility 
> that eludes the possibilities of taking snapshots, scripted 
> or via menu commands or using external tools.
> 
> The only way that remains for a deep-mask stack is to get out 
> your digital camera and take a real "screenshot" from the outside.--
> 
> I came across these problems, because a couple of weeks ago - 
> while I was sitting in the computer lab of Florida 
> International University - I had received a message from 
> Richmond Mathewson (now in Bulgaria) concerning multiple 
> choice formats. After having come home recently and after 
> necessary re-organising and resettling after a longer stay 
> abroad, I finally managed to take a second look at my 
> Multiple Choice Tutorial (which is available for inspection 
> on my website).
> I will address the issue of multiple-choice formats in one of 
> my next posts.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Wilhelm Sanke
> <http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>
> 
> 
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From alex at harryscollar.com  Sun Jul 24 02:35:16 2005
From: alex at harryscollar.com (Alex Shaw)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 16:35:16 +1000
Subject: [ANN] Beta Release for penToolv032d
In-Reply-To: <20050723073255.3905D824D69@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050723073255.3905D824D69@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <42E336A4.8050800@harryscollar.com>

hi Alejandro

Having trouble accessing aulasdigitales.net domain to check your great 
work re: penTool files. Do you have another download location?

regards
alex


From jvalle at 1234web.net  Sun Jul 24 05:49:34 2005
From: jvalle at 1234web.net (J. Valle 1234web.net)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:49:34 +0200
Subject: Why choose Revolution
In-Reply-To: <42E2AB9C.6050604@fourthworld.com>
References: <20050723212634.60E8.JVALLE@1234web.net>
	<42E2AB9C.6050604@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <20050724114409.60FB.JVALLE@1234web.net>

Richard, thanks for your help.

Another question related to your article "Extending Message Path".

You talk about Script Limits, could these limits be changed? and if is
not possible, what it means in terms of the application size/complexity?

Thanks
Jose
-- 
J. Valle 1234web.net <jvalle at 1234web.net>



From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Sun Jul 24 10:05:49 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 10:05:49 -0400
Subject: How do I edit a bg image?
In-Reply-To: <p06110400bf08a3e4dac1@[66.81.39.144]>
References: <p06110400bf08a3e4dac1@[66.81.39.144]>
Message-ID: <1b2fd01fd8a4194793404a91d0711ac0@adelphia.net>

Hey Tim,

There are no bg images in REV. All images are just images!?! You can 
however treat an image as a bg group and have it show up on all newly 
created cards or you can use "place" to place the bg group on an 
existing card, in effect this acts similar to HC then but with more 
power. If your HC project has a lot of the same images on each card and 
they were converted to a single image on each card in REV then it would 
be worth your time to delete the extras except the first card and group 
that image and place on each card/auto place on new cards. This way if 
you edit the one image it will show up on all cards.

Now, to edit your images (all images) select the image and in the 
properties panel for the image there is a pencil button that will open 
the image in your chosen image editor (if you have not chosen one a 
dialog will open asking you to pick one - Photoshop in my case).

Then the image will open in your chosen editor and when you are done 
you will close/save the image in the editor and go back to REV and hit 
update and there you have it - image edited.

This works on linked (files on your HD) images in REV and also images 
that only exist in REV with no external file.

HTH

Tom McGrath

On Jul 23, 2005, at 10:59 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:

> Howdy, y'all,
>
> Because my Rev stacks are HC imports, all the bitmapped text and 
> graphics from each HC background became a single background image in 
> Rev. (Unless I misunderstood something, which is quite possible.) I 
> know how to identify the images, make them visible and invisible, 
> change their locations, and so on, but I'd like to edit some of them. 
> How do I do that?
>
> As usual, I searched the docs, but couldn't find anything. If the 
> information is in there, it's hard to find.
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
> Tim
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From sonesond1 at southernct.edu  Sun Jul 24 10:22:16 2005
From: sonesond1 at southernct.edu (Dan Soneson)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 10:22:16 -0400
Subject: Place vs Copy
Message-ID: <56516BCC-FC4E-11D9-9D90-00039303CE26@southernct.edu>

Have you looked into the clone command? You'd still be doing multiple
copies of the original group, but possibly faster. Apparently, you can 
also
use use "Edit > Replicate..." in the menu to make as many copies of the
group (and place them in relation to one another on your card) as you 
wish.

Dan

> Mark Wieder wrote:
>
>> I think making multiple copies of the group and pasting them onto the
>> card is what I'm stuck with here. My guess is that "place" makes an
>> alias of the original group and pastes it into the destination,
>> enabling backgroundBehavior along the way.
>>
>
> Yes, it sounds like you are stuck with that. I didn't know you were
> trying to put multiple copies on the same card. Groups aren't meant to
> do that and I don't think you can.


Daniel B. Soneson
Director, Language Lab
Southern CT State University



From jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr  Sun Jul 24 10:47:54 2005
From: jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 16:47:54 +0200
Subject: Why choose Revolution
References: <20050723212634.60E8.JVALLE@1234web.net>
	<42E2AB9C.6050604@fourthworld.com>
	<20050724114409.60FB.JVALLE@1234web.net>
Message-ID: <42E3AA0E.3B3102B0@Club-Internet.fr>


Jose,

> Richard, thanks for your help.
>
> Another question related to your article "Extending Message Path".
>
> You talk about Script Limits, could these limits be changed? and if is
> not possible, what it means in terms of the application size/complexity?
>

AFAIR the limit of a script is in the Mb range (possibly 32Mb, although
this needs to be checked - you'll probably find several threads about Rev
or MC limits in the archives).
IOW that leaves plenty of room for complexity... FYI, the longest script
I ever wrote weighted 100 Kb and was 3200 lines long. Anyway, it's
always a good idea to split Rev scripts into smaller chunks, which makes
things much easier for debugging (and reuse) your code... and also because
Rev doesn't feature (yet) debugging tools making it easy to handle millions
of lines of code...

Best,
JB



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jul 24 12:01:24 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:01:24 -0500
Subject: Why choose Revolution
In-Reply-To: <42E3AA0E.3B3102B0@Club-Internet.fr>
References: <20050723212634.60E8.JVALLE@1234web.net>	<42E2AB9C.6050604@fourthworld.com>	<20050724114409.60FB.JVALLE@1234web.net>
	<42E3AA0E.3B3102B0@Club-Internet.fr>
Message-ID: <42E3BB54.3070909@hyperactivesw.com>

jbv wrote:
> Jose,
> 
> 
>>Richard, thanks for your help.
>>
>>Another question related to your article "Extending Message Path".
>>
>>You talk about Script Limits, could these limits be changed? and if is
>>not possible, what it means in terms of the application size/complexity?
>>
> 
> 
> AFAIR the limit of a script is in the Mb range (possibly 32Mb, although
> this needs to be checked - you'll probably find several threads about Rev
> or MC limits in the archives).

A script can be up to 4 gigs. But "script limits" here isn't refering to 
the size of a script written in the IDE, but rather how many lines a 
script can be if a standalone tries to set one. Without the development 
environment running, a new script can be only 10 lines long.

This is not usually a problem. Almost always, scripts are written during 
development and made into a standalone afterward; it is only rarely that 
a standalone needs to write and set a script on the fly, and the 10-line 
limit in this case can often be worked around in various ways.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jhurley at infostations.com  Sun Jul 24 13:45:51 2005
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 10:45:51 -0700
Subject: ANN: Update on Nine Ball
In-Reply-To: <20050724170005.61899824DEF@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050724170005.61899824DEF@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p06200701bf098010bf28@[69.19.229.80]>

With the sound on I was hearing multiple collisions when a ball was 
pocketed. ("Sound on" works well in OS X. Probably not in Windows. 
Use the preferences to turn  the sound off.)

After much confusion, I discovered that balls that had been pocketed 
(and set to a loc off screen) were undergoing collisions off screen. 
Not good to have pocketed balls playing their own game off screen.

The update corrects this. (When a ball is pocketed the ball number is 
put into a custom property. Subsequently, when a repeat loop comes 
across this number, it does a "next repeat" thereby ignoring all 
pocketed balls. Not only does this avoid off screen collisions, but 
it is more efficient.)

New and improved at:

(Run this in the message box.)
go stack url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/NineBallWithSpin.rev"



Jim


From b.xavier at internet.lu  Sun Jul 24 14:04:06 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 20:04:06 +0200
Subject: empty ask result + ok = result:cancel
Message-ID: <20050724175416.E1C61824D4D@mail.runrev.com>

im implementing a nice search and replace function and well, check it out...
 
local lselection

on mouseenter
  put "viewbar" into f
  get the selectedtext of fld f
 put it into lselection
  end if
end mouseenter

on mouseUp
  local f,x,y,txt
  
  put "viewbar" into f
  put fld f into txt
  
  ask "Replace what:" with lselection
  put it into x
  get the result
  if it is "cancel" then exit mouseup
  ask "Replace with:" with it
  put it into y
  get the result
  if it is "cancel" then exit mouseup
  
  replace x with y in fld f
end mouseup

Now, if i want to replace x with nothing, i leave the second ask
empty but the result, despite clicking OK, is "Cancel"... grrr

Can any of you replicate this?
bugzilla or is it me?

TIA
cheers
Xavier



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Jul 24 14:08:55 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:08:55 -0700
Subject: Place vs Copy
In-Reply-To: <56516BCC-FC4E-11D9-9D90-00039303CE26@southernct.edu>
References: <56516BCC-FC4E-11D9-9D90-00039303CE26@southernct.edu>
Message-ID: <1391518864.20050724110855@ahsoftware.net>

Dan-

Sunday, July 24, 2005, 7:22:16 AM, you wrote:

DS> Have you looked into the clone command? You'd still be doing multiple
DS> copies of the original group, but possibly faster. Apparently, you can
DS> also
use use "Edit >> Replicate..." in the menu to make
use use "Edit >> as many copies of the
DS> group (and place them in relation to one another on your card) as you
DS> wish.

Hmmm. Interesting idea. I hadn't thought of using "clone" instead of
"paste". Now that I've tried it, though, the timing seems to be
exactly the same.

And I have to admit that I've never even looked at the "Replicate..."
menuItem, even though I use "Duplicate" all the time. However, I need
to script the copying, so this isn't going to be an option, even if it
did turn out to be faster.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jul 24 15:18:50 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 14:18:50 -0500
Subject: Scripting conference - Script Anatomy 2 log available
Message-ID: <42E3E99A.2070700@hyperactivesw.com>

The transcript log of yesterday's Script Anatomy 2 scripting conference 
has been placed into the conference stack, and the revised stack is now 
available at the usual place:

<http://support.runrev.com/scriptingconferences/>

Frank did a great job -- check it out.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From see3d at writeme.com  Sun Jul 24 15:28:09 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 15:28:09 -0400
Subject: empty ask result + ok = result:cancel
In-Reply-To: <20050724175416.E1C61824D4D@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050724175416.E1C61824D4D@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <9C37BBC5-8B3A-41E2-AE37-C8D13A783192@writeme.com>

x,

This script works fine on my OS X machine with 2.6 (108)
That is once I take out that extra end if

The empty and cancel are returned as expected.

Dennis

On Jul 24, 2005, at 2:04 PM, MisterX wrote:

> local lselection
>
> on mouseenter
>   put "viewbar" into f
>   get the selectedtext of fld f
>  put it into lselection
>   end if
> end mouseenter
>
> on mouseUp
>   local f,x,y,txt
>
>   put "viewbar" into f
>   put fld f into txt
>
>   ask "Replace what:" with lselection
>   put it into x
>   get the result
>   if it is "cancel" then exit mouseup
>   ask "Replace with:" with it
>   put it into y
>   get the result
>   if it is "cancel" then exit mouseup
>
>   replace x with y in fld f
> end mouseup
>



From gbojsza at gmail.com  Sun Jul 24 15:48:21 2005
From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 15:48:21 -0400
Subject: Polling in Rev (send verses wait)
Message-ID: <3d8af41505072412485dfad451@mail.gmail.com>

I am working on an app that needs to do a polling routine every N
seconds (where N is defaulted to 10 unless the user defines it
themselves). The routine gathers information from some files and
parses it with the results being displayed in the appropriate fields.

This routine needs to be a run as a background process because the
user will be working with the application to update information etc.

The Rev docs lead me to think that either the send or the wait command
could be used. I was hoping someone would shed some light on which
selection should be used in this case.

thanks,


From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Sun Jul 24 15:54:59 2005
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 21:54:59 +0200
Subject: Deep-mask feature revisited and snapshots
Message-ID: <42E3F213.2050702@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

On Sun, 24 Jul 2005, "MisterX" <b.xavier at internet.lu> wrote:

> if you try the normal shift-printscreenKey command in windows
> you will be able to paste the image...
>
> no camera needed!
>
> cheers
> Xavier



Xavier,

You are right of course. Only you get a picture of the complete screen, 
6.5 MB in my case, then you have to start your image program to select 
and process the area of the screenshot you really need. With a camera 
screenshot you could select the area in advance.

On a Mac - with the screenshot program that comes with OSX - you could 
select an area or window ; I did not yet test if it is able to capture a 
deep-mask stack.

Anyway, I would like to know whether this eluding visibility comes as an 
unavoidable corollary for stacks with the deep-mask feature or if this 
is a bug.

Maybe somebody from the Rev team could comment here?

Regards,

Wilhelm Sanke



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jul 24 16:02:00 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 15:02:00 -0500
Subject: Polling in Rev (send verses wait)
In-Reply-To: <3d8af41505072412485dfad451@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3d8af41505072412485dfad451@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42E3F3B8.3050307@hyperactivesw.com>

Glen Bojsza wrote:
> I am working on an app that needs to do a polling routine every N
> seconds (where N is defaulted to 10 unless the user defines it
> themselves). The routine gathers information from some files and
> parses it with the results being displayed in the appropriate fields.
> 
> This routine needs to be a run as a background process because the
> user will be working with the application to update information etc.
> 
> The Rev docs lead me to think that either the send or the wait command
> could be used. I was hoping someone would shed some light on which
> selection should be used in this case.

Use "send". More info here:

<http://www.hyperactivesw.com/polling.html>


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From Mike at Doub.com  Sun Jul 24 16:02:06 2005
From: Mike at Doub.com (Mike Doub)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 16:02:06 -0400
Subject: Squarified Treemaps
Message-ID: <20050724195335.3E531824DD4@mail.runrev.com>

I am doing some experimentation with data visualization and was wondering if
anyone had already created a control for a Squarified Treemap written in
transcript.

Are there any other transcript based data visualization tools available?

Thanks in Advance.
   Mike





From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sun Jul 24 16:19:32 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 22:19:32 +0200
Subject: empty ask result + ok = result:cancel
In-Reply-To: <20050724175416.E1C61824D4D@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050724175416.E1C61824D4D@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3A3F0754-3C43-4986-81A0-CAC9148E1ABF@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Xavier,

May be I'm wrong but your code makes no sense for me :-)
You want to get a result but you insert a line of code between the  
command and the request for the result: can't work.
You have to request the result immediately without requesting  
anything else to the engine in the meantime.
Then you ask replace with it:" it" is supposed to be a result and is  
not a result...
And I don't understand why you would place a result as default in an  
ask dialog...

As for me - but may be again, I'm wrong - I could write:

on mouseUp
   local f,x,y,txt
   -----
   put "viewbar" into f
   put fld f into txt
   -----
   ask "Replace what:" with lselection
   if the result = "cancel" then exit mouseUp
   put it into x
   -----
   ask "Replace with:" with it
   if the result = "cancel" then exit mouseUp
   put it into y
   -----
   replace x with y in fld f
end mouseUp

Le 24 juil. 05 ? 20:04, MisterX a ?crit :

> im implementing a nice search and replace function and well, check  
> it out...
>
> local lselection
>
> on mouseenter
>   put "viewbar" into f
>   get the selectedtext of fld f
>  put it into lselection
>   end if
> end mouseenter
>
> on mouseUp
>   local f,x,y,txt
>
>   put "viewbar" into f
>   put fld f into txt
>
>   ask "Replace what:" with lselection
>   put it into x
>   get the result
>   if it is "cancel" then exit mouseup
>   ask "Replace with:" with it
>   put it into y
>   get the result
>   if it is "cancel" then exit mouseup
>
>   replace x with y in fld f
> end mouseup
>
> Now, if i want to replace x with nothing, i leave the second ask
> empty but the result, despite clicking OK, is "Cancel"... grrr

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From gbojsza at gmail.com  Sun Jul 24 16:49:28 2005
From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 16:49:28 -0400
Subject: Polling in Rev (send verses wait)
In-Reply-To: <42E3F3B8.3050307@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <3d8af41505072412485dfad451@mail.gmail.com>
	<42E3F3B8.3050307@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <3d8af41505072413493846276@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Jacque,

I have built a quick script that uses "send" and it seems to work well.

regards,

Glen

On 7/24/05, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> Glen Bojsza wrote:
> > I am working on an app that needs to do a polling routine every N
> > seconds (where N is defaulted to 10 unless the user defines it
> > themselves). The routine gathers information from some files and
> > parses it with the results being displayed in the appropriate fields.
> >
> > This routine needs to be a run as a background process because the
> > user will be working with the application to update information etc.
> >
> > The Rev docs lead me to think that either the send or the wait command
> > could be used. I was hoping someone would shed some light on which
> > selection should be used in this case.
> 
> Use "send". More info here:
> 
> <http://www.hyperactivesw.com/polling.html>
> 
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Sun Jul 24 17:01:15 2005
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:01:15 -0400
Subject: Scale an image from an absolute point
Message-ID: <OFB6906F26.8B2A7682-ON85257048.007329A3@sealedair.com>

Thank you to everyone who replied to this thread. Using snippets from each 
suggestion, I think I will be able to arrive at a solution that fits my 
situation.

Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>



From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Sun Jul 24 19:01:02 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:01:02 +1000
Subject: Printing only selected pages
In-Reply-To: <20050722065953.37555.qmail@web60523.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050722065953.37555.qmail@web60523.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0B9CD181-9FF7-4C55-856D-01561B9B505F@genesearch.com.au>

>> I ran into a problem today, that I am surprised not
>> to have
>> encountered before. I use revPrintField to print a
>> multi-page
>> document and usually I print it to a PDF and then
>> print selected
>> pages if needed. Today I tried printing directly
>> from Revolution
>> (this is just a stack that runs from the IDE) and
>> despite selecting
>> page 1 to 1 in the print dialog, it tried to print
>> all the pages.
>>
>> I guess I have a couple of questions:
>> - does this happen to everyone, in which case I'll
>> bugzilla it?
>> - is there a workaround?
>>
>> TIA,
>> Sarah
>>
>>
>
> Hi Sarah,
>
> The revPrintField and revPrintText commands are not
> designed to handle this. You could hack these
> yourself, but unfortunately, the engine does not give
> us a way to determine which pages the user wanted to
> print.
> I noticed that SuperCard 4.5 has a new 'printRange'
> property. Naturally, I'm one of the people who hope
> that this will be added to Revolution soon.
>
> Jan Schenkel.

Thanks Jan,

I'll add this to bugzilla as a feature request. If Rev allows us to  
use the standard print dialog, then it should respect the settings it  
gets back from that dialog.

Cheers,
Sarah



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Sun Jul 24 21:45:50 2005
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 18:45:50 -0700
Subject: Scale an image from an absolute point
In-Reply-To: <20050723170004.04F48824DA5@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050723170004.04F48824DA5@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a2a46b7b550a465ac9c83970fc179c9d@interisland.net>

Hi again, Roger,

On Jul 23, 2005, at 10:00 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com 
wrote:

> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 12:10:52 -0400
> From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com
> Subject: Scale an image from an absolute point
>
> I need to scale an image from an absolute point within the image rect.
> This point will not be the loc or any of the 4 corners. The image must
> stay positioned (locked) by a point where the user clicks during the
> scaling routine.

Is the rect of the image going to change, or do you want to zoom the 
image while maintaining a visible rect at the same size (image needs to 
be grouped)?

> Does anyone have an idea of how to best approach this? I
> could calculate the offset from the loc of the image, but this changes 
> as
> the image is dragged to be larger/smaller. Any ideas?

I took a shot at an idea I hoped might get you started but I guess I'm 
not understanding this. For example, I don't get how you are wanting to 
drag the image to change the size. Is that to change the image rect? 
See, that will also change the scale, so it's confusing what that is 
for, if you also expect to scale it another way as well.

IOW, it appears you're presenting several different things going on, 
and I don't have clear idea what you want to do.

Do you want to enlarge the image by dragging a corner (resizing the 
rect, which also scales the image),  and then zoom further from a point 
within the new rect while that new rect stays as it was set? How do you 
want to control the zoom?

I'm sure it can happen, and I've done quite a few things like this, so 
I thought I could help. Could you step  through the process as a user 
might do it, one thing at a time?

All the best,
Ken N.



From soapdog at mac.com  Sun Jul 24 21:45:21 2005
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 22:45:21 -0300
Subject: Rev CGI argumets for ISP
In-Reply-To: <42E2C3FB.2070006@fourthworld.com>
References: <5B7D86EE-FBC0-11D9-94EE-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>
	<42E2C3FB.2070006@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <ca4a635d27aae1167785bb9d12a08dd3@mac.com>


On Jul 23, 2005, at 7:26 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Malte Brill wrote:
>> Hi list,
>> I?ve talked to my ISP if it was possible to use rev CGI on their  
>> servers. They are potentially interested to allow it, but need more  
>> technical details on stability, security, etc. . So if there is some  
>> kind of FAQ on Rev CGIs somewhere or some articles (besides the  
>> excellent getting started pages by Jaque) I would be glad if you let 
>> me  know.
>
> I keep forgetting which additional libraries need to be installed with 
> the engine to do that.
>
> Anyone have those handy?
>

I don't think they need any non standard library. For the newer engines 
they need libC (GLIBC) 2.3, but that comes with any recent linux...

Cheers
andre


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From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Sun Jul 24 22:22:16 2005
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:22:16 -0700
Subject: Rant Re Rev Documentation
In-Reply-To: <42E3215F.8010500@comcast.net>
References: <p06110400bf08a3e4dac1@[66.81.39.144]>
	<42E3215F.8010500@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <p06210200bf09ea6246cb@[66.81.59.124]>

>Timothy Miller wrote:
>>Howdy, y'all,
>>
>--- snip ---
>>
>>As usual, I searched the docs, but couldn't find anything. If the 
>>information is in there, it's hard to find.
>
>
>I suspect this happens often. For this reason, I sometimes wish 
>there were a Rev feature we could turn on which would collect our 
>failed Docs search phrases, give us space to explain in longhand 
>what we're looking for, and send the phrase and the explanation to 
>RunRev. The purpose of the feature would be to inform those who 
>create the docs of the language we use when searching, so maybe the 
>docs could be brought more in line with our way of looking for info.
>
>Food for thought.
>Phil Davis


Hi Phil,

I appreciate your comment. It's a good idea. However, I'm not sure 
that the elementary information I needed exists in the onboard Rev 
documentation. Well... Pieces of it are in there, no doubt, but maybe 
not in a form that would have been useful to me, when I was stuck, 
given my skill level, which is above newbie, above novice, maybe 
around amateur, or a bit lower.

All I needed was a tip from the list. Simple was good. Jacque has a 
gift for getting the gist of a question, and then answering it 
clearly and briefly. (I appreciated the other suggestions also, 
though they were more complex than I really needed.) I enjoyed a 
blinding flash of the obvious, and I was ready to do my work.

I fear your comment is more than food for thought. It seems to me, 
sometimes, that your comment represents a life or death issue for 
Revolution. Rev is supposed to be "enterprise-ware" if I'm not 
mistaken. If I understand the term, enterprise-ware is appropriate 
for do-it-yourself end users.

In my opinion, it ain't enterprise-ware. Not yet, anyway. A person 
with my skill level as an all-around computer user, for many, many 
years, and former heavy HC user, should suffer far less difficulty 
with Rev than I have experienced. And I've been spending money on an 
(excellent) consultant, too. Consider the number of professional 
developers -- and other experts -- on the list, versus the number of 
newbies-with-questions. Look at the number of do-it-yourself end 
users, who use Rev for serious business. (Sometimes, it seems like 
I'm the only one in the world.) That suggests to me that something is 
wrong. (I assume it's obvious that the experts predominate.)

There have been a couple of bugs, and of course Rev is more 
feature-rich than HC, and it's different from HC in some important 
ways. But these have not been the main obstacles for me. The main 
obstacle is that there is no adequate documentation for Revolution. 
There's not even a manual! Even HC 1.0 shipped with a pretty good 
manual! And a reference guide, too, as I recall. Danny Goodman's HC 
books appeared not long after. They constituted more-than-adequate 
documentation, and they set the standard that Rev must follow, one 
way or another, and soon!

(I found a comprehensive Trancript dictionary on the Web the other 
day. It was over my head. That's not the answer. I'm not even sure I 
understood what it was.)

Rev's onboard documentation is a very good start, and I love it 
because it's onboard, and free. But many dictionary entries are just 
too terse. Terse is what I want -- sometimes. Like if I've forgotten 
some detail I used to know. At other times, like when I'm trying to 
do something I never did before, or I can't get something to work and 
I can't figure out why it's not working, I need verbose. A book could 
do that, but this is the kind of situation that is best handled by 
hypertext. (Given Rev's hypertext capabilities, that's ironic at the 
laugh-or-cry level.) In other words, the onboard documentation might 
be the best delivery method. Rev will certainly be able to attract 
customers more effectively, if the customers can get started without 
buying an expensive and intimidating thick book.

Getting back to terse and verbose, if I filter or search the 
dictionary, it seems to me I should get the terse explanation. A 
simple link could, and should, give me a more detailed and digestible 
verbose explanation.

The related terms are great, sometimes. If they're mostly mysterious 
to me, they are too terse, also. A verbose version of related terms 
would provide a fairly brief and digestible summary each term's 
meaning, with a link for each one, of course.

Scripting examples in the onboard docs are very sparse. Often there 
are about three. Once again, sometimes that's fine, sometimes not. If 
none of the examples are particularly relevant to what I'm trying to 
do, or fix, I've got a problem. I should have the option of a verbose 
version of the scripting examples. Rev is so feature-rich that two or 
three dozen scripting examples would be barely sufficient, in some 
cases.

The onboard docs are missing other obvious links, as well. How about 
a "gotchas" link for most dictionary terms? The gotchas could be 
rank-ordered from mistakes commonly made by newbies to mistakes 
commonly made by experts. Sort of like the list of commonly 
misspelled words found in some dictionaries. (Funny... I'm not sure 
how to spell "misspell.")

If the onboard docs could reach the foregoing specifications, and 
soon, they'd be good-enough. For instance, the verbose explanation of 
the drawing tools or images or backgrounds -- or something -- would 
have told me how to do what I wanted to do (I'm talking about my 
previous query to the list). I would have found it quick enough.

Beyond "good-enough," a few more links under most dictionary terms 
would raise the level of the onboard documentation from good-enough 
to excellent. For instance, how about a "clever scripting tricks you 
probably wouldn't think of yourself" link? Or a "for experts only" 
link?

Maybe someday, many dictionary terms could be linked with mini-stacks 
that actually demonstrate the use of the command, property, function, 
object or whatever described in the documentation. These could be 
downloaded by the user at need, or downloaded all in an archive, for 
local retrieval by the documentation stack, as needed. (I assume the 
onboard documentation is a stack.) The mini-stacks could be donated 
by Rev-loyal users.

Your suggestion is also excellent, and could also greatly improve the 
onboard docs, by adding some intelligent searching to the abysmally 
simple filter and search functions currently available. If google can 
ask, in a few nanoseconds: "Did you mean to search for podophilia 
rather than pedophilia?" I guess Rev's docs could give us a link 
like, "Click here for more ideas if you didn't find what you need to 
know." Boolean searchability of the documentation, including "near" 
and "not" and field restrictions, and such, could be a big step 
forward, too.

I just can't understand why Rev hasn't done all of these things 
already. It might be a somewhat daunting task, but it's minuscule 
compared to the trouble it took to build Rev in the first place. If 
it's too much for Rev's overworked staff, they could get 95% of the 
work done for free. All of the items I've mentioned could be 
submitted by users to a wiki. Of course, Rev would need editorial 
control of the wiki to keep out errors and vandalism. Even the 
editorial control of the wiki could be delegated to experienced and 
responsible volunteer users, who could check each other's work, and 
so on. Professional developers could be allowed to place 
self-promotional links in their wiki contributions.

Sure, Rev is a privately owned, for-profit company. I don't' care. 
It's in my interest for Rev to succeed as a commercial product. The 
price is quite reasonable anyway. Maybe someday there will be a free 
opensourced version of Rev. Or maybe not. I don't care.

Ironically, Rev is also probably the ideal application for building a 
wiki. If Rev is in a hurry to start a wiki, I understand free, 
off-the-shelf wiki software, is readily available.

As the  documentation stack grew and improved, Rev could arrange, in 
a forthcoming upgrade, a convenient way for users to check for the 
latest version of the documentation stack, and download as needed.

When I rant like this, I always worry I will appear not to appreciate 
or respect Dan Shafer and his books. I do, and I do.I own volume 1, 
and consult it often, and I recommend it to others. I don't know 
about Volumes 2 and 3  -- haven't tried them yet. I understand they 
are not yet published, But Dan's books are very different from Danny 
Goodman's HC handbooks. It is true that Goodman walked HC 
kindergartners through the creation of simple and then increasingly 
complex stacks. But the HC Handbooks did far more than that. When I 
was teaching myself HC, I had the keyboard in one hand and Goodman's 
book in the other. I started with "new stack." I asked questions on 
the HC list from time to time, but the vast majority of the time, I 
found what I needed to know easily enough in Goodman's guides. I 
depend far more heavily on this list than I ever did on the HC list. 
And Goodman had the disadvantage of working with ink on paper. If a 
guide like that could be continuously improved, expanded, indexed and 
error-corrected, because it was a free downloadable, wiki-enabled 
stack, imagine what it could be!

Getting back to Dan -- I sometimes wonder why Dan didn't start by 
writing a comprehensive reference. As I think about it, that's 
probably a no-win proposition for an author, because Rev's free 
onboard documentation would be a hard act to follow, even if it's not 
that good. And as soon as Rev improved its onboard documentation, the 
book would stop selling. I'd guess that's Dan's reasoning, but it's 
only a guess.

Rant concluded. Maybe it's been said before. It probably bears 
repeating anyway.


Tim Miller


From revdan at danshafer.com  Sun Jul 24 22:25:50 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:25:50 -0700
Subject: Rev CGI argumets for ISP
In-Reply-To: <ca4a635d27aae1167785bb9d12a08dd3@mac.com>
References: <5B7D86EE-FBC0-11D9-94EE-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>
	<42E2C3FB.2070006@fourthworld.com>
	<ca4a635d27aae1167785bb9d12a08dd3@mac.com>
Message-ID: <6C6A226A-182D-4F8E-9F2F-36A8ADD7F5AF@danshafer.com>

Depends on the distro. FreeBSD, for example, apparently does not yet  
support this, nor does Debian.

dan

On Jul 24, 2005, at 6:45 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> For the newer engines they need libC (GLIBC) 2.3, but that comes  
> with any recent linux...
>



From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Sun Jul 24 22:55:30 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:55:30 +1000
Subject: Rant Re Rev Documentation
In-Reply-To: <p06210200bf09ea6246cb@[66.81.59.124]>
References: <p06110400bf08a3e4dac1@[66.81.39.144]>
	<42E3215F.8010500@comcast.net>
	<p06210200bf09ea6246cb@[66.81.59.124]>
Message-ID: <29B2BAFC-D8DC-46F8-82C7-48D110EAFB93@genesearch.com.au>

Hi Tim,

I understand what you are saying but I'm not sure I agree with your  
idea of the what the docs are for. I see them as a reference guide,  
not a tutorial. For learning Revolution, you need other resources:  
the built-in tutorials, the scripting conference stacks, Dan's book,  
this list and the other resources available on the net.

I too was a long-time HyperCard user, but I didn't learn HyperTalk by  
using the HyperCard manuals. I learnt from Dan Shafer's book  
"HyperTalk Programming" and from the HyperCard list. The docs were  
only used as a reference to check the syntax of a command I knew I  
wanted to use or to look up the variations of a command.

When I converted to Revolution, I read the list of entries in the  
Transcript dictionary, mainly so I could get a feel for what sort of  
things were available to me. Many I already knew, and some where  
completely new to me, so I stopped to read them, but the main object  
at that stage was to give myself an idea of what commands I could  
use, if I needed them in the future.

Then I did all the tutorials and then put together a test stack where  
I wrote code snippets that tried out some of the new commands that I  
knew I would use immediately.

Now I realize that there are many different learning styles (there  
are people on this list far more qualified to talk about that than I  
am), but I just wanted to let you know that it IS possible to learn  
Revolution from the available material.

To use a weak analogy, it is as if you are annoyed because a French  
dictionary is not teaching you how to speak French :-)

Cheers,
Sarah



From tominjapan at excite.com  Sun Jul 24 23:16:17 2005
From: tominjapan at excite.com (Thomas McCarthy)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 23:16:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Rev CGI argumets for ISP
Message-ID: <20050725031617.DF276B945@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com>


>Depends on the distro. FreeBSD, for example, apparently does not yet support this

Funny, I just started doing CGI and it was on FreeBSD. No problems! I just went to the rev site and got the proper Unix version.

(I did this about 3 weeks ago)
tm

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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jul 25 00:03:59 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 21:03:59 -0700
Subject: Rev CGI argumets for ISP
In-Reply-To: <ca4a635d27aae1167785bb9d12a08dd3@mac.com>
References: <5B7D86EE-FBC0-11D9-94EE-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>	<42E2C3FB.2070006@fourthworld.com>
	<ca4a635d27aae1167785bb9d12a08dd3@mac.com>
Message-ID: <42E464AF.9070206@fourthworld.com>

Andre Garzia wrote:
> 
> On Jul 23, 2005, at 7:26 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
>> Malte Brill wrote:
>>
>>> Hi list,
>>> I?ve talked to my ISP if it was possible to use rev CGI on their  
>>> servers. They are potentially interested to allow it, but need more  
>>> technical details on stability, security, etc. . So if there is some  
>>> kind of FAQ on Rev CGIs somewhere or some articles (besides the  
>>> excellent getting started pages by Jaque) I would be glad if you let 
>>> me  know.
>>
>>
>> I keep forgetting which additional libraries need to be installed with 
>> the engine to do that.
>>
>> Anyone have those handy?
>>
> 
> I don't think they need any non standard library. For the newer engines 
> they need libC (GLIBC) 2.3, but that comes with any recent linux...

My understanding is that manu ISPs don't install all of the libraries 
one would install for desktop use, and that three (?) of those are 
needed for Rev to work as a CGI.

Did this change in a recent version?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jul 25 00:46:03 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 23:46:03 -0500
Subject: Rev CGI argumets for ISP
In-Reply-To: <42E464AF.9070206@fourthworld.com>
References: <5B7D86EE-FBC0-11D9-94EE-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>	<42E2C3FB.2070006@fourthworld.com>	<ca4a635d27aae1167785bb9d12a08dd3@mac.com>
	<42E464AF.9070206@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <42E46E8B.9030508@hyperactivesw.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:

> My understanding is that manu ISPs don't install all of the libraries 
> one would install for desktop use, and that three (?) of those are 
> needed for Rev to work as a CGI.
> 
> Did this change in a recent version?

I don't know, but probably not. When I first started with CGIs at my 
ISP, they were missing two libraries. I think Ken Ray had the same two 
missing on his. Other people have reported only one missing. I guess it 
depends on the hosted installation.

The good part is that you don't have to know ahead of time. The CGI 
script will error and then you check the error log. The missing 
libraries will be listed there, so all you have to do is holler at the 
ISP and tell them to get those installed.

Someone once told me you don't even need the real libraries; that all 
you need are empty text files in the right place with the right names. I 
don't know if that is really true, since my ISP went ahead and installed 
the ones I was missing.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Mon Jul 25 00:54:18 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 00:54:18 -0400
Subject: Rant Re Rev Documentation
In-Reply-To: <29B2BAFC-D8DC-46F8-82C7-48D110EAFB93@genesearch.com.au>
References: <p06110400bf08a3e4dac1@[66.81.39.144]>
	<42E3215F.8010500@comcast.net>
	<p06210200bf09ea6246cb@[66.81.59.124]>
	<29B2BAFC-D8DC-46F8-82C7-48D110EAFB93@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <1ff5a67d69559604ef1922fdd146a675@adelphia.net>

Tim,

I too disagree with your request/demand that the reference guide be a 
tutorial as well. It is just a reference guide. I do wish there were 
more than three examples especially for the more complex commands like 
send, etc.

I went through the built-in tutorials and then the scripting conference 
and it's stacks. I was told to pay special attention to the 'see also' 
section of the docs as that was very thorough and well thought out. I 
checked out many of the REV web ring sites and read through helpful 
hints. I then started to download as many user contributed stacks as 
possible that I could find even before the RevOnline User area was 
available. I have hundreds of sample stacks with very, very useful 
information in them and more efficient ways to code solutions.

Lastly when I got stuck on something I hit the list and right away got 
at least two possible solutions for every problem I have ever posted. 
More often it was three or four solutions. Plus there are a couple of 
revchat, wiki, and educational sites with so much info on them that I 
have yet to read them all yet.

I have never needed to use any of my 10 support incidents that were 
included in my Enterprise version of Rev. That says a lot about these 
available resources. They are very, very good. I could not find a tenth 
of them for Director and most that I did find were not free.

My fear is that a tutorial/guide that you refer too would be more 
database influenced and cgi based etc. and I do mostly graphical user 
interfaces and prototypes and have very little need for database type 
solutions.

I was very frustrated during the first month learning curve as well 
coming from Supercard but once background groups and object properties 
were explained I started to feel more comfortable then the wonderful 
people on this list started showing me how fast and powerful things 
like send to me in 50 milliseconds  and things like 'is among' I was on 
fire and only need help with my bad code habits and with 
misunderstanding syntax that may not have an example that fits what I 
am doing.

Hang in there Tim,

I know you'll be contributing and helping the next guy that comes alond.
On Jul 24, 2005, at 10:55 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> Hi Tim,
>
> I understand what you are saying but I'm not sure I agree with your 
> idea of the what the docs are for. I see them as a reference guide, 
> not a tutorial. For learning Revolution, you need other resources: the 
> built-in tutorials, the scripting conference stacks, Dan's book, this 
> list and the other resources available on the net.
> ogy, it is as if you are annoyed because a French dictionary is not 
> teaching you how to speak French :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Mon Jul 25 00:58:32 2005
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 21:58:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Rant Re Rev Documentation
In-Reply-To: <p06210200bf09ea6246cb@[66.81.59.124]>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507242156310.5249-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Well, how about it, folks?

Judy

On Sun, 24 Jul 2005, Timothy Miller wrote:

> Maybe someday, many dictionary terms could be linked with mini-stacks
> that actually demonstrate the use of the command, property, function,
> object or whatever described in the documentation. These could be
> downloaded by the user at need, or downloaded all in an archive, for
> local retrieval by the documentation stack, as needed. (I assume the
> onboard documentation is a stack.) The mini-stacks could be donated
> by Rev-loyal users.

<snip>
>
> I just can't understand why Rev hasn't done all of these things
> already. It might be a somewhat daunting task, but it's minuscule
> compared to the trouble it took to build Rev in the first place. If
> it's too much for Rev's overworked staff, they could get 95% of the
> work done for free. All of the items I've mentioned could be
> submitted by users to a wiki. Of course, Rev would need editorial
> control of the wiki to keep out errors and vandalism. Even the
> editorial control of the wiki could be delegated to experienced and
> responsible volunteer users, who could check each other's work, and
> so on. Professional developers could be allowed to place
> self-promotional links in their wiki contributions.



From b.xavier at internet.lu  Mon Jul 25 01:01:04 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 07:01:04 +0200
Subject: Deep-mask feature revisited and snapshots
In-Reply-To: <42E3F213.2050702@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <20050725045108.1AF85824D32@mail.runrev.com>

well, there's plenty of screen grabbers

i tried a utility called SnagIt and it worked fine 
grabbing just the window region as square incl. the background...

you can grab anything you want including videos with that
gem of a program...

cheers
Xavier 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Wilhelm Sanke
> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 21:55
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: Deep-mask feature revisited and snapshots
> 
> On Sun, 24 Jul 2005, "MisterX" <b.xavier at internet.lu> wrote:
> 
> > if you try the normal shift-printscreenKey command in 
> windows you will 
> > be able to paste the image...
> >
> > no camera needed!
> >
> > cheers
> > Xavier
> 
> 
> 
> Xavier,
> 
> You are right of course. Only you get a picture of the 
> complete screen,
> 6.5 MB in my case, then you have to start your image program 
> to select and process the area of the screenshot you really 
> need. With a camera screenshot you could select the area in advance.
> 
> On a Mac - with the screenshot program that comes with OSX - 
> you could select an area or window ; I did not yet test if it 
> is able to capture a deep-mask stack.
> 
> Anyway, I would like to know whether this eluding visibility 
> comes as an unavoidable corollary for stacks with the 
> deep-mask feature or if this is a bug.
> 
> Maybe somebody from the Rev team could comment here?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Wilhelm Sanke
> 
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From revdan at danshafer.com  Mon Jul 25 01:17:49 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 22:17:49 -0700
Subject: Rant Re Rev Documentation
In-Reply-To: <p06210200bf09ea6246cb@[66.81.59.124]>
References: <p06110400bf08a3e4dac1@[66.81.39.144]>
	<42E3215F.8010500@comcast.net>
	<p06210200bf09ea6246cb@[66.81.59.124]>
Message-ID: <33FDFEDC-085B-4FCF-95F1-252A55EC007D@danshafer.com>

Not too far off the mark, Timothy, but a little.

When I started my Rev book "series" the idea was that i would simply  
"port" my HT book to Rev and be done with it. A number of users on  
the list at that time ensured me that if I did that, I'd be doing the  
community a huge service. It seemed like a pretty simple undertaking  
so I jumped in.

Boy, was I wrong. Not only would a port have been impossible (thanks  
in large part to the vastly richer vocabulary and power of Rev) and  
unhelpful, it would have been counter-productive. I couldn't bring  
myself to do that. So I ended up with a HUGE project and what I felt  
was a public commitment to produce it. I dug in and did the best I  
could under the circumstances. A lot of folks have kindly said good  
things about what I did produce and I'm continuing to add to the  
repertoire but it'll never be what's really needed.

As I look back, I think the better course would have been to write an  
intro to Rev and Transcript. As it is, my book is ONLY about  
Transcript, not really about how to build things in Rev. That's a big  
missing piece. I could write it but I just don't know if there's a  
market for it. Frankly, total demand for the first volume was  
surprisingly small (to me, not to Rev, but then they knew the numbers  
and I had to guess).

Maybe what's needed now is a comprehensive dictionary of Transcript  
in hypertext form from the perspective of a developer, but I'm not  
even sure how to start building something like that and feel pretty  
sure I'd end up getting slammed for "regurgitating the docs" if I did.

I'm just about to release my eBooklet on printing. What other  
subjects do people want? Is a thorough overview of the IDE really  
needed at this point? I gave one at RevCon West (well, not thorough;  
not enough time) but not a lot of people seem interested.

Sorry for the ramble/rant. Just trying to figure out what's most  
important to do next, if anything. There are days I think I should  
just shut up and go back to coding.


On Jul 24, 2005, at 7:22 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:

> I sometimes wonder why Dan didn't start by writing a comprehensive  
> reference. As I think about it, that's probably a no-win  
> proposition for an author, because Rev's free onboard documentation  
> would be a hard act to follow, even if it's not that good. And as  
> soon as Rev improved its onboard documentation, the book would stop  
> selling. I'd guess that's Dan's reasoning, but it's only a guess.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author
http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
 From http://www.revolutionpros.com, Click "My Stuff"





From revdan at danshafer.com  Mon Jul 25 01:18:45 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 22:18:45 -0700
Subject: Rev CGI argumets for ISP
In-Reply-To: <20050725031617.DF276B945@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com>
References: <20050725031617.DF276B945@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com>
Message-ID: <EAB9BC58-AF0B-460C-913B-AE7739D2ED75@danshafer.com>

I misspoke. It is the Debian distro that's at fault, apparently. It  
needs some C lib that isn't included.

dan

On Jul 24, 2005, at 8:16 PM, Thomas McCarthy wrote:

>
>
>> Depends on the distro. FreeBSD, for example, apparently does not  
>> yet support this
>>
>
> Funny, I just started doing CGI and it was on FreeBSD. No problems!  
> I just went to the rev site and got the proper Unix version.
>
> (I did this about 3 weeks ago)
> tm
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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Mon Jul 25 01:19:16 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 01:19:16 -0400
Subject: Rant Re Rev Documentation
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507242156310.5249-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507242156310.5249-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <8d86d09b4d749d35ad847419f46e1c7b@adelphia.net>

Tim, Judy,

To be fair I didn't respond to this part of Tim's request/rant because 
I thought it would be too daunting. It would be nice to have though. I 
always learn best by example. Sarah's stack on serial commands was very 
helpful, also some of the stacks/ideas that I found most helpful were:
window shapes
serial commands
drawer examples
password/encryption
picture sliders/progress bars
gif buttons/animated
geometry hints and help
player and quicktime and video grabber
rotate images
speech recognition and text speaking
application icons
screen saver/backdropper
file path and preferences
tabs and how they work
text manipulation/hypertext
printing/pdfs/export to file
XML/tree view
menus/ pop ups
Unicode (the one thing I have yet to get to work right)
Games/Colliding objects/moving balls
drag and drop- internal and external
Audio/wav/mp3 - recording and playback
Midi
Chat/Email

and Nine Ball has been a great group learning experience.

Maybe if we had a stack format like the ones used in the online 
conference stacks then these could be cleaned up and included???

I started a Speak and Listen stack and would be interested in helping 
where I can.

Tom McGrath


On Jul 25, 2005, at 12:58 AM, Judy Perry wrote:

> Well, how about it, folks?
>
> Judy
>
> On Sun, 24 Jul 2005, Timothy Miller wrote:
>
>> Maybe someday, many dictionary terms could be linked with mini-stacks
>> that actually demonstrate the use of the command, property, function,
>> object or whatever described in the documentation. These could be
>> downloaded by the user at need, or downloaded all in an archive, for
>> local retrieval by the documentation stack, as needed. (I assume the
>> onboard documentation is a stack.) The mini-stacks could be donated
>> by Rev-loyal users.
>
> <snip>
>>
>> I just can't understand why Rev hasn't done all of these things
>> already. It might be a somewhat daunting task, but it's minuscule
>> compared to the trouble it took to build Rev in the first place. If
>> it's too much for Rev's overworked staff, they could get 95% of the
>> work done for free. All of the items I've mentioned could be
>> submitted by users to a wiki. Of course, Rev would need editorial
>> control of the wiki to keep out errors and vandalism. Even the
>> editorial control of the wiki could be delegated to experienced and
>> responsible volunteer users, who could check each other's work, and
>> so on. Professional developers could be allowed to place
>> self-promotional links in their wiki contributions.
>
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2.6


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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Mon Jul 25 01:23:43 2005
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 22:23:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Rant Re Rev Documentation
In-Reply-To: <29B2BAFC-D8DC-46F8-82C7-48D110EAFB93@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507242200450.5249-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Ummmm, but the problem is that HC shipped with pre-builts, little things
like buttons that did things ordinary users might want to do, and hence
could just copy-paste them into their own work.  Ditto with fields.  Ditto
with other thingies like what to do with QT.  And sample, real, working
applications/stacks.  Oh, and, of course, at some point at least, a manual
WITH AN INDEX!  (contact me off-list if you need an explanation  of WHY
this is IMPORTANT).

Rev has no such beasts.

And, before all the veteran programmers jump on my back for not jumping on
the "programming is hard" bandwagon (it apparently requires oodles and
oodles of time, even for a language like Transcript, just so you can
figure out how to do a simple thing like an interactive slideshow), we
should note that the ACM literature is, well, littered, with research
showing that newbie/novice programmers benefit from having such
'manipulatives' as working code fragments that can be tried and fiddled
with to learn programming concepts.

Even Dan, for all his effort, still talks about the Hypercard model and
the 'seductive' factor for what I think he calls the 'inventive user' (my
apologies to Dan if I have gotten this wrong).

But, you know, even inventive users will only go searching just so
far...and Dan's book, ... the conference stacks, ... the online docs, ...
RevOnline ... etc. etc.  : = This is all too confusing.

IF Rev is to move beyond the 'low-hanging fruit' of the HC abandonment and
the very inventive 'inventive user' of the programming crowd, I, for one,
think a few things need to be realized and dealt with:

(1) the IDE:  for DC, at least, it's too complex, non-intuitive, has no
learning guide, and needs to be reinvented WITH A MANUAL/EXPLANATION OF
HOW TO USE IT.

(2) again, for the DC crowd, but maybe even beyond, THERE NEEDS TO BE AN
IN-THE-BOX SET OF PRE-PROGRAMMED WIDGETS.  Pre-programmed little buttons,
fields, what-have-you's, that already do the sorts of things people ask
how to do all the time on list (even those who are self-described as
'veteral programmers':  HOW TO  SCRIPT TABS comes readily to mind here).
For god's sake, even the entirely non-intuitive Director had such
pre-builts as, what were they called, behaviors?!

(3) for the DC crowd, especially, there needs to be something ala the
scripting conferences, but oriented towards HOW TO DO THIS THING, XYZ.  As
opposed to 'how to learn to program in 6 short months.  Normal humans do
NOT NOT NOT!!! want to learn how to program.  They want to learn how to
do/make things.  A subtle yet important distinction.

Enough for a night after a day at the beach...

Judy


On Mon, 25 Jul
2005, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> Hi Tim,
>
> I understand what you are saying but I'm not sure I agree with your
> idea of the what the docs are for. I see them as a reference guide,
> not a tutorial. For learning Revolution, you need other resources:
> the built-in tutorials, the scripting conference stacks, Dan's book,
> this list and the other resources available on the net.



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Mon Jul 25 01:33:16 2005
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 22:33:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Rant Re Rev Documentation
In-Reply-To: <8d86d09b4d749d35ad847419f46e1c7b@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507242225480.5249-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Thomas,

But, indeed, when other 'birds of a feather' stay silent, the 'powers that
be' are likely to be (justifiably) convinced that there is no such need
because there was no public conment.

This is why I do not mind looking like the community nay-sayer, unhappy
camper, unfavorable term for a female dog, etc.

I only wish I had a dollar US$ for every person who told me personally or
privately per email that they agreed with what I said.  Number 1: I'd be
rich and could retire.  Number 2:  I'd be able to afford to direct my
minions otherwise ;-)

Some people are afraid of 'looking stupid' (I clearly have no such
hang-ups) and so they say nothing.

But, for every person who says nothing and stays on-list, how many others
have we lost?  for no reason?

What you say, Thomas, below, is what I have just sent off in a related
post to this list, namely, that for some people, we need
compartmentalized, working, examples/tutorials/widgets ala what people
want/expect to be able to do that will hopefully make this product succeed
among the newbie/novice/inventive user category.

Thanks for responding!!!

Judy


On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> Tim, Judy,
>
> To be fair I didn't respond to this part of Tim's request/rant because
> I thought it would be too daunting. It would be nice to have though. I
> always learn best by example. Sarah's stack on serial commands was very
> helpful, also some of the stacks/ideas that I found most helpful were:
> window shapes
> serial commands
> drawer examples
> password/encryption
> picture sliders/progress bars
> gif buttons/animated
> geometry hints and help
> player and quicktime and video grabber
> rotate images
> speech recognition and text speaking
> application icons
> screen saver/backdropper
> file path and preferences
> tabs and how they work
> text manipulation/hypertext
> printing/pdfs/export to file
> XML/tree view
> menus/ pop ups
> Unicode (the one thing I have yet to get to work right)
> Games/Colliding objects/moving balls
> drag and drop- internal and external
> Audio/wav/mp3 - recording and playback
> Midi
> Chat/Email
>
> and Nine Ball has been a great group learning experience.
>
> Maybe if we had a stack format like the ones used in the online
> conference stacks then these could be cleaned up and included???



From keith at vortex.co.uk  Mon Jul 25 02:48:50 2005
From: keith at vortex.co.uk (keith)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 07:48:50 +0100
Subject: URL path to Windows server?
Message-ID: <p06230912bf0a39b3b1e1@[10.0.0.17]>

If I use the 'get URL' and 'put x into URL' command to get and put 
data from and into a file:path/data.txt file... how do I do that when 
the data is to be held on a network server? This'll be a Windows 
server; in one instance a steam-driven Win98 thing, in the other 
instance something far more up to date.

I don't have one to play with right now, and I'd rather avoid ending 
up thrashing about experimenting too much when I can get to one. But 
I'm worried about how to handle access permissions to the file. This 
is one of the ways recommended for handling (basic) multiple-person 
access to a data source file, and it makes lots of sense in most ways 
- but I can't see how to build in the username/password fileserver 
access aspect.

k


From xbury.cs at clearstream.com  Mon Jul 25 02:56:32 2005
From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:56:32 +0200
Subject: # PROBABLY SPAM #::URL path to Windows server?
In-Reply-To: <p06230912bf0a39b3b1e1@[10.0.0.17]>
Message-ID: <OF7D37EA25.872168BD-ONC1257049.0025F69E-C1257049.00262294@deutsche-boerse.com>

K

all you need is to mount the drive and copy.

use the "net use" command. It has all the parameters you speak of.
(type "net help use" for instructions on how to use it)

Another way, assuming you have administrator priviledges is to use
a simple shell copy command...

the put url will only work with case 1...

cheers
X

use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 25.07.2005 08:48:50:

> If I use the 'get URL' and 'put x into URL' command to get and put 
> data from and into a file:path/data.txt file... how do I do that when 
> the data is to be held on a network server? This'll be a Windows 
> server; in one instance a steam-driven Win98 thing, in the other 
> instance something far more up to date.
> 
> I don't have one to play with right now, and I'd rather avoid ending 
> up thrashing about experimenting too much when I can get to one. But 
> I'm worried about how to handle access permissions to the file. This 
> is one of the ways recommended for handling (basic) multiple-person 
> access to a data source file, and it makes lots of sense in most ways 
> - but I can't see how to build in the username/password fileserver 
> access aspect.
> 
> k
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From martin at materiaprima.fsnet.co.uk  Mon Jul 25 03:28:22 2005
From: martin at materiaprima.fsnet.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:28:22 +0100
Subject: Deep-mask feature revisited and snapshots
In-Reply-To: <20050725045108.1AF85824D32@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050725045108.1AF85824D32@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <42E49496.5000200@materiaprima.fsnet.co.uk>

SnagIt is pretty useful, but in Win you can grab a shot of the active 
window by doing alt-PrintScreenKey. maybe that would work?

Martin Baxter

MisterX wrote:
> well, there's plenty of screen grabbers
> 
> i tried a utility called SnagIt and it worked fine 
> grabbing just the window region as square incl. the background...
> 
> you can grab anything you want including videos with that
> gem of a program...
> 
> cheers
> Xavier 
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
>>[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
>>Wilhelm Sanke
>>Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 21:55
>>To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>Subject: Re: Deep-mask feature revisited and snapshots
>>
>>On Sun, 24 Jul 2005, "MisterX" <b.xavier at internet.lu> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>if you try the normal shift-printscreenKey command in 
>>
>>windows you will 
>>
>>>be able to paste the image...
>>>
>>>no camera needed!
>>>
>>>cheers
>>>Xavier
>>
>>
>>
>>Xavier,
>>
>>You are right of course. Only you get a picture of the 
>>complete screen,
>>6.5 MB in my case, then you have to start your image program 
>>to select and process the area of the screenshot you really 
>>need. With a camera screenshot you could select the area in advance.
>>
>>On a Mac - with the screenshot program that comes with OSX - 
>>you could select an area or window ; I did not yet test if it 
>>is able to capture a deep-mask stack.
>>
>>Anyway, I would like to know whether this eluding visibility 
>>comes as an unavoidable corollary for stacks with the 
>>deep-mask feature or if this is a bug.
>>
>>Maybe somebody from the Rev team could comment here?
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Wilhelm Sanke
>>
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From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Jul 25 03:30:13 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 02:30:13 -0500
Subject: Rant Re Rev Documentation
In-Reply-To: <p06210200bf09ea6246cb@[66.81.59.124]>
References: <p06110400bf08a3e4dac1@[66.81.39.144]>	<42E3215F.8010500@comcast.net>
	<p06210200bf09ea6246cb@[66.81.59.124]>
Message-ID: <42E49505.3020102@chipp.com>

Hi Timothy,

All good points. I agree. When I was just starting, many times the 
'terse explanation' in the docs just didn't go far enough-- I wanted a 
few more examples of how the transcript term was used. I talked with 
Jeanne DeVoto about it (she *was* the author of most the documentation, 
and IMO did a great job), and she told me to put in explicit examples 
for all the terms would be a herculean effort above the current resource 
allocation for it. So, I don't blame her...or for that matter, RR.

I believe someone at the RevCon West conference stood up and said what 
was really needed was a sort of 'application framework guide.' A 
book/website/wiki/whatever which explained step-by-step how to go about 
building basic programs. I agree.

I really like your idea of a Rev-sponsored WIKI. That way people could 
post all kinds of examples, and it could be a great resource which Rev 
doesn't have to bear the full cost of building.

chin up,

Chipp


From keith at vortex.co.uk  Mon Jul 25 03:36:07 2005
From: keith at vortex.co.uk (keith)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:36:07 +0100
Subject: URL path to Windows server?
In-Reply-To: <OF7D37EA25.872168BD-ONC1257049.0025F69E-C1257049.00262294@deutsche-boerse
	.com>
References: <OF7D37EA25.872168BD-ONC1257049.0025F69E-C1257049.00262294@deutsche-boerse
	.com>
Message-ID: <p06230913bf0a42cbd384@[10.0.0.17]>

Sometime around 25/7/05 (at 08:56 +0200) xbury.cs at clearstream.com said:

>all you need is to mount the drive and copy.
>
>use the "net use" command. It has all the parameters you speak of.
>(type "net help use" for instructions on how to use it)
>
>Another way, assuming you have administrator priviledges is to use
>a simple shell copy command...
>
>the put url will only work with case 1...

Thanks xbury! I realised after I'd sent the request that it was 
probably just a case of ensuring the remote volume is mounted, then 
finding and using the correct path. I'll check out the command you 
suggested looking up too.

k


From todd at geistinteractive.com  Mon Jul 25 06:23:41 2005
From: todd at geistinteractive.com (Todd Geist)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 03:23:41 -0700
Subject: Rant Re Rev Documentation
In-Reply-To: <42E49505.3020102@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <BF0A0BBD.1FAF9%todd@geistinteractive.com>

It was me who made this statement at RevCon so let me elaborate and chime in
On 7/25/05 12:30 AM, "Chipp Walters" <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:

> I believe someone at the RevCon West conference stood up and said what
> was really needed was a sort of 'application framework guide.' A
> book/website/wiki/whatever which explained step-by-step how to go about
> building basic programs. I agree. on what others have said...

Like many others here have pointed out there are two potential markets for
Rev to grow into.  The inventive user and the professional developer.  Very
Very Very different markets. I make my living as a FileMaker developer so I
understand this schism well and I for one would rather see more "pros"
climbing on board.  They add more skill to to the community and they don't
drive down prices and they don't give the tool a bad name in IT departments.

I know that may offend some people out there.  I am sorry, but realize that
this actually occurs. A lot of IT guys blame the tool not the guy who used
it incorrectly.  I for one have lost work because of it.

Anyway I was pushing for more help for the pro who is looking at Rev.  The
pro knows that completing a successful project is as much about deployment,
support, version control and upgrades as it is about whatever task the tool
is being built for.  A pro also knows that almost every application must do
a few things like deal with user preferences and data storage etc.

Too me this "application architecture" or  "application framework" is as
important to me as the little technical bits that are covered in the docs,
maybe more so.  Because once I get this I can set about building whatever it
is I need to build, learning all the little pieces as I go.When I am done
hopefully I will have something resembling an application that can be
maintained extended and supported.  NOT a cobbled together plate of
spaghetti code that is close to imploding under it's own in efficiencies.

This Application Architecture is what I had a hard time digging up when I
started looking at Rev. It was clearly a powerful tool but I didn't the
first thing about producing something of value with it.  I had to go RevCon
to begin to figure this out.  It was well worth it but I don't live that far
a way so I could drive.

I think a half dozen examples representing the most common Commercial
Applications Models (apps that are bringing in the most money for the most
people) would go along way towards bring in new professional talent into the
Revolution.

Then I could say, "OK I need to build a multi-user database app So let me
start with the "multi-user database example and go from there". Or "my
client needs an internet app with a rich interface, so let me start with the
internet app example"

You want to see any product take off, teach people how they can make, ACTUAL
REAL CASH using it!

Goodnight all. Thanks for listening!

Todd

-- 

Todd Geist




From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Mon Jul 25 06:27:47 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:27:47 +0200
Subject: [WARN] Inserting Any Plugin in the AltPluginToolbar
Message-ID: <C18B62D0-6832-4C56-A22B-6D2444978E01@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi all,

Lately Bob Earp asked for some 32*32 pixels icons in order to insert  
"non Chipp's" plugins into AltPluginToolbar.
At first, I did not realised what it could mean...
To be inserted in the (great :-) AltPluginToolbar, other plugins have  
to be compliant with Chipp's architecture.
Plugins from So Smart Software were not designed to be compliant with  
Chipp's architecture.
So, I just want to warn anybody that such an idea (interesting at  
first sight) can lead to many unexpected issues.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From Stgoldberg at aol.com  Mon Jul 25 07:50:54 2005
From: Stgoldberg at aol.com (Stgoldberg at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 07:50:54 EDT
Subject: Rant Re Rev Documentation
Message-ID: <1db.402e5608.30162c1e@aol.com>

Hi Sarah,
I appreciate your comment about different learning styles.   In my own case, 
I prefer to read a manual cover to cover to gain a more complete 
understanding.   While I have started to use Revolution quite a lot, and am more impressed 
with it every day, I don't think I would be using it had I not already had 
some experience with Hypercard.   For some people, myself included, it is just 
not sufficient trying to learn initially from scattered comments in a forum or 
in tutorial stacks, as excellent as they might be; there needs to be a much 
more linear pathway for the initial learning experience. For HyperCard, reading 
Danny Goodman's book was the way for me. One of the frustrations I have with 
Revolution, for instance, is that I have still not seen an adequate overview of 
the features of the Property Inspector.   This is such a basic part of 
Revolution that one would think this would be a primary focus of attention in the 
documentation.
Steve Goldberg 




In a message dated 7/24/05 10:56:15 PM, 
use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com writes:


> From: Sarah Reichelt <sarahr at genesearch.com.au>
> Now I realize that there are many different learning styles (there?
> are people on this list far more qualified to talk about that than I?
> am), but I just wanted to let you know that it IS possible to learn?
> Revolution from the available material.
> 



From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Mon Jul 25 08:42:35 2005
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:42:35 -0400
Subject: Rant Re Rev Documentation
In-Reply-To: <33FDFEDC-085B-4FCF-95F1-252A55EC007D@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <BF0A567B.D952%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

Will your ebook on printing talk about how to feed information (such as
number of pages to print) to printing dialogues?


On 7/25/05 1:17 AM, "Dan Shafer" <revdan at danshafer.com> wrote:

> Not too far off the mark, Timothy, but a little.
> 
> When I started my Rev book "series" the idea was that i would simply
> "port" my HT book to Rev and be done with it. A number of users on
> the list at that time ensured me that if I did that, I'd be doing the
> community a huge service. It seemed like a pretty simple undertaking
> so I jumped in.
> 
> Boy, was I wrong. Not only would a port have been impossible (thanks
> in large part to the vastly richer vocabulary and power of Rev) and
> unhelpful, it would have been counter-productive. I couldn't bring
> myself to do that. So I ended up with a HUGE project and what I felt
> was a public commitment to produce it. I dug in and did the best I
> could under the circumstances. A lot of folks have kindly said good
> things about what I did produce and I'm continuing to add to the
> repertoire but it'll never be what's really needed.
> 
> As I look back, I think the better course would have been to write an
> intro to Rev and Transcript. As it is, my book is ONLY about
> Transcript, not really about how to build things in Rev. That's a big
> missing piece. I could write it but I just don't know if there's a
> market for it. Frankly, total demand for the first volume was
> surprisingly small (to me, not to Rev, but then they knew the numbers
> and I had to guess).
> 
> Maybe what's needed now is a comprehensive dictionary of Transcript
> in hypertext form from the perspective of a developer, but I'm not
> even sure how to start building something like that and feel pretty
> sure I'd end up getting slammed for "regurgitating the docs" if I did.
> 
> I'm just about to release my eBooklet on printing. What other
> subjects do people want? Is a thorough overview of the IDE really
> needed at this point? I gave one at RevCon West (well, not thorough;
> not enough time) but not a lot of people seem interested.
> 
> Sorry for the ramble/rant. Just trying to figure out what's most
> important to do next, if anything. There are days I think I should
> just shut up and go back to coding.
> 
> 
> On Jul 24, 2005, at 7:22 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:
> 
>> I sometimes wonder why Dan didn't start by writing a comprehensive
>> reference. As I think about it, that's probably a no-win
>> proposition for an author, because Rev's free onboard documentation
>> would be a hard act to follow, even if it's not that good. And as
>> soon as Rev improved its onboard documentation, the book would stop
>> selling. I'd guess that's Dan's reasoning, but it's only a guess.
> 
> 
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author
> http://www.shafermedia.com
> Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
>  From http://www.revolutionpros.com, Click "My Stuff"
> 
> 
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From gwthompson at mac.com  Mon Jul 25 08:52:32 2005
From: gwthompson at mac.com (Gary Thompson)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:52:32 -0400
Subject: Who is doing what with Revolution
Message-ID: <224C1220-DC67-4684-8E32-61560B37B69E@mac.com>

Hi All,

I have recently purchased Runtime Revolution having been a fan of  
Hypercard/SuperCard and Multimediia Toolbook on Windows. I've  
basically been teaching myself by doing (the documentation being  
somewhat limited) and now I'm wondering:

What are the possibilities of Revolution?

Are there any (or many) commercial apps built with it?

Are developers using it to prototype an idea than switching to some  
other tool?

Is multimedia a prime focus of Revolution?

Could I build a business around Revolution? By this I mean either  
build a software line of products or is it better suited for building  
custom one-offs for consulting jobs or????

Are there certain apps you shouldn't try to develop in Revolution?  
Such as intense number-crunching?

I'm sure I'll have more questions but I would love to hear from the  
Revolution community what you believe are Revolution's strengths and  
weaknesses.

Thanks,

Gary Thompson


From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Mon Jul 25 09:53:29 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:53:29 -0400
Subject: Who is doing what with Revolution
In-Reply-To: <224C1220-DC67-4684-8E32-61560B37B69E@mac.com>
References: <224C1220-DC67-4684-8E32-61560B37B69E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5e1e7593df35213af7bfe9497a0cb783@adelphia.net>

Gary,
Welcome to the revolution!

I (not announced yet) am launching into my own business based 
completely on Revolution starting August 1st. I have been a consultant 
for some time for a number of companies and decided that I need to 
start doing my own designs and work. I have a few ideas to start and am 
hopeful after that. I am going to be building useful add ons for 
production work and have one very large project that I will do after 
that.

What I have been doing until now is using Revolution for interactive 
CDs that introduce technology for the company I work for. I also have 
been using Rev for building prototypes for an emerging technology that 
will be used on cell phones and PDAs. The prototypes are to work out 
ideas in a very quick fashion and are used to explain the technology to 
prospective customers/investors. The final project will of course be 
ported to C++/Java for download into the devices (unless Rev starts 
supporting these types of environments ;-) )

The courage to start my own business has come from the number of people 
on this list that are using Rev in commercial applications.

I think the only real limitations are things like complex 3D 
applications. Multimedia is not necessarily a primary focus of Rev but 
is very doable. Lastly, I would say having built in web support and DB 
support along with a very polished final standalone product are Rev's 
strengths and multimedia/animation/styled text are where it still needs 
to grow (to my needs).

The one thing I always hated about Director was that you could tell an 
app was created in it when the final product was shipped. It had a 
Director look and feel that was way to obvious. With Rev, as long as 
you follow HIG and GUI standards and keep the product clean there are 
no leftovers from Rev. You can't tell that it was not created in C++ or 
anything else. This is very important to me. I do always include a 
"Created with Revolution" in my about boxes though to give Rev credit 
for this.

One project we had a Director guru create for us took over three months 
of coding to complete and then it needed lots of tweaking to work the 
way we expected. Due to a creative decision I decided to redo the work 
in Rev. I was able to do the three months of work in less than two 
weeks and that included creating nine mini games in it to demonstrate 
some new ideas. The games took up most of the second week. This is very 
fast and everyone (including the DIrector guru) was completely amazed 
at this. They were asking "What did you use to do this with?" and "Wow, 
that was fantastic how did you get it done so quickly?" etc. This was a 
big boost for the Rev work I have been doing for them. I call Rev a RAD 
(Rapid Application Development) tool so they can relate to it in their 
minds. They agree that it is very fast and clean.

HTH

Tom
On Jul 25, 2005, at 8:52 AM, Gary Thompson wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I have recently purchased Runtime Revolution having been a fan of 
> Hypercard/SuperCard and Multimediia Toolbook on Windows. I've 
> basically been teaching myself by doing (the documentation being 
> somewhat limited) and now I'm wondering:
>
> What are the possibilities of Revolution?
>
> Are there any (or many) commercial apps built with it?
>
> Are developers using it to prototype an idea than switching to some 
> other tool?
>
> Is multimedia a prime focus of Revolution?
>
> Could I build a business around Revolution? By this I mean either 
> build a software line of products or is it better suited for building 
> custom one-offs for consulting jobs or????
>
> Are there certain apps you shouldn't try to develop in Revolution? 
> Such as intense number-crunching?
>
> I'm sure I'll have more questions but I would love to hear from the 
> Revolution community what you believe are Revolution's strengths and 
> weaknesses.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gary Thompson
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
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>


Macintosh PowerBook G-4 OSX 10.3.9, OS 9.2.2, 1.25 GHz, 512MB RAM, Rev 
2.6


Advanced Media Group
Eagle Works Art & Sculpture
Semantic Compaction Systems
Prentke Romich Company
Prentke Romich International
SCIconics, LLC
Artist
Thomas J McGrath III
3mcgrath at adelphia.net





From david at openpartnership.net  Mon Jul 25 10:17:32 2005
From: david at openpartnership.net (david bovill)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:17:32 +0200
Subject: Squarified Treemaps
In-Reply-To: <20050724195335.3E531824DD4@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050724195335.3E531824DD4@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1a9c0bcec446bdf7a2feff59eedc2ed1@openpartnership.net>

No, but very interested.

I have code for directed / undirected graphing of relationships and am 
looking at Tree maps for a current project. So lets keep in touch?

On 24 Jul 2005, at 22:02, Mike Doub wrote:

> I am doing some experimentation with data visualization and was 
> wondering if
> anyone had already created a control for a Squarified Treemap written 
> in
> transcript.
>
> Are there any other transcript based data visualization tools 
> available?
>
> Thanks in Advance.
>    Mike



From brad at activadesign.com  Mon Jul 25 10:50:02 2005
From: brad at activadesign.com (Brad Borch)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:50:02 -0400
Subject: Unicode confusion
Message-ID: <dc2u6o$9kg$1@sea.gmane.org>

Ok, I'm thoroughly confused. I've built an application for creating a 
Greek dictionary. I'd like to use Bitstream Vera as the base font for 
the application. However, the rev documentation says:

> If you set the unicodeText of a field to a unicodeString that contains multiple languages, Revolution automatically sets the textFont of double-byte characters to the appropriate Unicode font. 

Can I force Rev to choose a particular font for Unicode text? I can set 
the textFont but Rev still forces the Unicode text into Geneva. I can 
set the htmlText and use the appropriate tags but Rev still does strange 
things. For example, if I include a space between the entities, Rev 
renders the characters following the space as some sort of Asian font, 
but if I remove the space, the fonts render correctly.

I was under the impression that the advantage of Unicode was that, no 
matter what font you used, any given unicode entity was exactly the 
same. Is this a bug? Is something happenting I'm not aware of?



From jhurley at infostations.com  Mon Jul 25 11:25:10 2005
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:25:10 -0700
Subject: Rant Re Rev Documentation
In-Reply-To: <20050725101504.B4CA0824980@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050725101504.B4CA0824980@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p06200700bf0aae72d33f@[69.19.229.80]>

>
>Message: 9
>Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 01:19:16 -0400
>From: Thomas McGrath III <3mcgrath at adelphia.net>
>Subject: Re: Rant Re Rev Documentation
>To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>Message-ID: <8d86d09b4d749d35ad847419f46e1c7b at adelphia.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
>Tim, Judy,
>
>To be fair I didn't respond to this part of Tim's request/rant because
>I thought it would be too daunting. It would be nice to have though. I
>always learn best by example. Sarah's stack on serial commands was very
>helpful, also some of the stacks/ideas that I found most helpful were:
>window shapes
>serial commands
>drawer examples
>password/encryption
>picture sliders/progress bars
>gif buttons/animated
>geometry hints and help
>player and quicktime and video grabber
>rotate images
>speech recognition and text speaking
>application icons
>screen saver/backdropper
>file path and preferences
>tabs and how they work
>text manipulation/hypertext
>printing/pdfs/export to file
>XML/tree view
>menus/ pop ups
>Unicode (the one thing I have yet to get to work right)
>Games/Colliding objects/moving balls
>drag and drop- internal and external
>Audio/wav/mp3 - recording and playback
>Midi
>Chat/Email

I like this list. I could benefit from a lesson on almost all of these topics

I also like the suggestion made be others to have sample 
applications, something akin to the HC home stack.

And to show that there is money where my mouth is, the kind of thing 
I have in mind is illustrated in the following Turtle Graphics "home 
stack":

    go stack url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/TurtleGraphics.rev"

After you have punched all the buttons you should know whether TG, as 
an addendum to Transcript, would be of any  use to you.

It would be nice to have a similar set of stacks for the topics in 
Tom's list above.

Maybe his list might be fleshed-out by others on this user list, 
followed by a pledge drive: Volunteers to take a topic or two.

I appreciate what Jean says about a short illustration handler for 
each item in Transcript dictionary, al la Kamens, Winkler, DeVoto. 
Lots of work. But it sure would be nice.

(I would like to comment on the excellence of Dan Shafer's book, but 
it hasn't arrived yet, although ordered back in February--sloooooow 
delivery.)

Jim





From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Mon Jul 25 11:26:04 2005
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:26:04 +0200
Subject: Deep-mask feature revisited and snapshots
Message-ID: <42E5048C.4040104@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:28:22 +0100
From: Martin Baxter <martin at materiaprima.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> SnagIt is pretty useful, but in Win you can grab a shot of the active
> window by doing alt-PrintScreenKey. maybe that would work?
>
> Martin Baxter



Thanks Martin and Xavier for the hints.

SnagIt works as does PrintScreen on Windows and "Bildschirmfoto" on Mac 
OSX, whereas "Paintshop Pro" and "Revolution" itself fail to capture 
part or all of a deep-masked stack.
Looks like we could put together a list of programs which capture and 
another one of those who do not.

Most important, however, would be to have this functionality inside 
Revolution as it exists for stacks without set deep mask.


- Wilhelm Sanke
<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>



From revdan at danshafer.com  Mon Jul 25 11:29:30 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:29:30 -0700
Subject: Rant Re Rev Documentation
In-Reply-To: <BF0A567B.D952%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
References: <BF0A567B.D952%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
Message-ID: <553C870D-6FBA-4C92-BD67-8F5385282E7E@danshafer.com>

Bill..........

That tidbit is not in the current draft. I did look into it but as  
far as I can tell, it's not possible to do this. At least if it is,  
documentation for how to do it is definitely buried or missing.

Dan

On Jul 25, 2005, at 5:42 AM, Bill wrote:

> Will your ebook on printing talk about how to feed information  
> (such as
> number of pages to print) to printing dialogues?
>
>
> On 7/25/05 1:17 AM, "Dan Shafer" <revdan at danshafer.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Not too far off the mark, Timothy, but a little.
>>
>> When I started my Rev book "series" the idea was that i would simply
>> "port" my HT book to Rev and be done with it. A number of users on
>> the list at that time ensured me that if I did that, I'd be doing the
>> community a huge service. It seemed like a pretty simple undertaking
>> so I jumped in.
>>
>> Boy, was I wrong. Not only would a port have been impossible (thanks
>> in large part to the vastly richer vocabulary and power of Rev) and
>> unhelpful, it would have been counter-productive. I couldn't bring
>> myself to do that. So I ended up with a HUGE project and what I felt
>> was a public commitment to produce it. I dug in and did the best I
>> could under the circumstances. A lot of folks have kindly said good
>> things about what I did produce and I'm continuing to add to the
>> repertoire but it'll never be what's really needed.
>>
>> As I look back, I think the better course would have been to write an
>> intro to Rev and Transcript. As it is, my book is ONLY about
>> Transcript, not really about how to build things in Rev. That's a big
>> missing piece. I could write it but I just don't know if there's a
>> market for it. Frankly, total demand for the first volume was
>> surprisingly small (to me, not to Rev, but then they knew the numbers
>> and I had to guess).
>>
>> Maybe what's needed now is a comprehensive dictionary of Transcript
>> in hypertext form from the perspective of a developer, but I'm not
>> even sure how to start building something like that and feel pretty
>> sure I'd end up getting slammed for "regurgitating the docs" if I  
>> did.
>>
>> I'm just about to release my eBooklet on printing. What other
>> subjects do people want? Is a thorough overview of the IDE really
>> needed at this point? I gave one at RevCon West (well, not thorough;
>> not enough time) but not a lot of people seem interested.
>>
>> Sorry for the ramble/rant. Just trying to figure out what's most
>> important to do next, if anything. There are days I think I should
>> just shut up and go back to coding.
>>
>>
>> On Jul 24, 2005, at 7:22 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I sometimes wonder why Dan didn't start by writing a comprehensive
>>> reference. As I think about it, that's probably a no-win
>>> proposition for an author, because Rev's free onboard documentation
>>> would be a hard act to follow, even if it's not that good. And as
>>> soon as Rev improved its onboard documentation, the book would stop
>>> selling. I'd guess that's Dan's reasoning, but it's only a guess.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author
>> http://www.shafermedia.com
>> Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
>>  From http://www.revolutionpros.com, Click "My Stuff"
>>
>>
>>
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From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Mon Jul 25 11:54:27 2005
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:54:27 -0400
Subject: Feeding information to print dialogues with runrev
In-Reply-To: <553C870D-6FBA-4C92-BD67-8F5385282E7E@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <BF0A8373.D972%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

I couldn't find it in the documentation either. I was hoping someone knew
how to do it as it is beyond my ability. I think it will require a short
call to applescript. Please leave a link to buy your latest e-chapter when
it is finished. I'm looking forward to reading it.


On 7/25/05 11:29 AM, "Dan Shafer" <revdan at danshafer.com> wrote:

> Bill..........
> 
> That tidbit is not in the current draft. I did look into it but as
> far as I can tell, it's not possible to do this. At least if it is,
> documentation for how to do it is definitely buried or missing.
> 
> Dan
> 
> On Jul 25, 2005, at 5:42 AM, Bill wrote:
> 
>> Will your ebook on printing talk about how to feed information
>> (such as
>> number of pages to print) to printing dialogues?
>> 
>> 
>> On 7/25/05 1:17 AM, "Dan Shafer" <revdan at danshafer.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> Not too far off the mark, Timothy, but a little.
>>> 
>>> When I started my Rev book "series" the idea was that i would simply
>>> "port" my HT book to Rev and be done with it. A number of users on
>>> the list at that time ensured me that if I did that, I'd be doing the
>>> community a huge service. It seemed like a pretty simple undertaking
>>> so I jumped in.
>>> 
>>> Boy, was I wrong. Not only would a port have been impossible (thanks
>>> in large part to the vastly richer vocabulary and power of Rev) and
>>> unhelpful, it would have been counter-productive. I couldn't bring
>>> myself to do that. So I ended up with a HUGE project and what I felt
>>> was a public commitment to produce it. I dug in and did the best I
>>> could under the circumstances. A lot of folks have kindly said good
>>> things about what I did produce and I'm continuing to add to the
>>> repertoire but it'll never be what's really needed.
>>> 
>>> As I look back, I think the better course would have been to write an
>>> intro to Rev and Transcript. As it is, my book is ONLY about
>>> Transcript, not really about how to build things in Rev. That's a big
>>> missing piece. I could write it but I just don't know if there's a
>>> market for it. Frankly, total demand for the first volume was
>>> surprisingly small (to me, not to Rev, but then they knew the numbers
>>> and I had to guess).
>>> 
>>> Maybe what's needed now is a comprehensive dictionary of Transcript
>>> in hypertext form from the perspective of a developer, but I'm not
>>> even sure how to start building something like that and feel pretty
>>> sure I'd end up getting slammed for "regurgitating the docs" if I
>>> did.
>>> 
>>> I'm just about to release my eBooklet on printing. What other
>>> subjects do people want? Is a thorough overview of the IDE really
>>> needed at this point? I gave one at RevCon West (well, not thorough;
>>> not enough time) but not a lot of people seem interested.
>>> 
>>> Sorry for the ramble/rant. Just trying to figure out what's most
>>> important to do next, if anything. There are days I think I should
>>> just shut up and go back to coding.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 24, 2005, at 7:22 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> I sometimes wonder why Dan didn't start by writing a comprehensive
>>>> reference. As I think about it, that's probably a no-win
>>>> proposition for an author, because Rev's free onboard documentation
>>>> would be a hard act to follow, even if it's not that good. And as
>>>> soon as Rev improved its onboard documentation, the book would stop
>>>> selling. I'd guess that's Dan's reasoning, but it's only a guess.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author
>>> http://www.shafermedia.com
>>> Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
>>>  From http://www.revolutionpros.com, Click "My Stuff"
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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>>   ^^^^      ^^^^     ^^^    ^^
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>> 
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>> 
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>> 
>> 
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From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Mon Jul 25 11:55:38 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:55:38 -0400
Subject: Rant Re Rev Documentation
In-Reply-To: <553C870D-6FBA-4C92-BD67-8F5385282E7E@danshafer.com>
References: <BF0A567B.D952%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
	<553C870D-6FBA-4C92-BD67-8F5385282E7E@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <82AE402F-60BD-419D-95FF-0C0F23317CAB@conncoll.edu>

It's not going to make me any more popular, but I have to say that  
this seems like an example of the basic problem. It's a pretty  
glaring bug -- as someone else pointed out, if you make the print  
dialog available, you probably need to pay attention to what it says.  
Some of the unicode and other text-handling problems people have  
pointed out are pretty glaring too. So are aspects of the Inspector,  
the Documentation window, and the Application Browser. These aren't  
problems of missing documentation, they're bugs & holes. And they're  
bugs & holes in places that someone just beginning to develop apps in  
Rev is likely to encounter -- not abstrusiosities off in the realm of  
getting Rev to communicate with RS-422 interfaces etc.

Which is to be expected! Yes. It's a work in progress. I acknowledge  
and appreciate that, and I certainly acknowledge and appreciate the  
work of everybody, within and outside RR, working on that progress,  
both in functionality and in explanation.

The trouble is that Rev is not an open-source, let's-all-get-together- 
and-build-it system -- it's a package that may be cheap from the  
point of view of a professional (that is: funded) developer, but not  
from other points of view. (Compare, say, Python.) Those other points  
of view include the "inventive users" Dan and others have talked  
about. They also include people like me -- definitely (decidedly!  
massively!) amateur, but with a certain amount of programming  
experience.

I'm not meaning to complain. I'm working on a Dreamcard app right now  
(can't afford the other packages); I've taken on that learning curve.  
I'm only saying that the curve is steeper than someone might expect  
from a non-freeware system. It's about as steep as for wxPython, for  
example. This list is a magnificent help, I hasten to agree.

Charles


On Jul 25, 2005, at 11:29 AM, Dan Shafer wrote:

> Bill..........
>
> That tidbit is not in the current draft. I did look into it but as  
> far as I can tell, it's not possible to do this. At least if it is,  
> documentation for how to do it is definitely buried or missing.
>
> Dan
>



From keith at vortex.co.uk  Mon Jul 25 12:00:04 2005
From: keith at vortex.co.uk (keith)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:00:04 +0100
Subject: array info request (was: Re: Rant Re Rev Documentation)
In-Reply-To: <8d86d09b4d749d35ad847419f46e1c7b@adelphia.net>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507242156310.5249-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<8d86d09b4d749d35ad847419f46e1c7b@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <p06230918bf0ab6e1d218@[10.0.0.17]>

Sometime around 25/7/05 (at 01:19 -0400) Thomas McGrath III said:

>I always learn best by example.

Absolutely!
Speaking of learning by example (or any other method, I'm not fussy! 
;-) is there anything around that could help me get my head around 
arrays? Some kind of simple guide that doesn't start out at too high 
a level? Gotta start sometime! :-)

I've made a bit of headway by dissecting and rebuilding a few simple 
things from past threads in this list, so I can put the contents of a 
set of fields into a line in an array in a card's user property and 
then pull specific elements (items?) back out again.


What I'm wondering is whether arrays would be a useful way to store 
data which is to be accessed by more than one person across a 
network? There're perhaps 30 different fields and popup menus, and 
some of the fields will contain a few paragraphs of text each. (Yes, 
paragraphs. So returns have to be accepted in the data, in case that 
makes any difference.)

I had been experimenting with using a text file on a networked 
computer (as suggested here), with the first item on each line 
flagging whether it could be edited or not. Editing a record involves 
reading the record, parsing the data into fields, making the changes 
there, then writing it all back out to the same record again.

I'm hoping to add search abilities, and I wondered if using a data 
array might be more efficient... but I'm definitely fairly in the 
dark about these structures!

I presume an array is a kind of data structure that has to be stored 
in a stack in some way, perhaps as a user property? It seems to be 
layered in a more complex dimensional way than can be represented in 
a flat text file. Or am I assuming more complications than there 
actually are?

k

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From revdan at danshafer.com  Mon Jul 25 12:09:39 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:09:39 -0700
Subject: Print Dialog Interaction (was Re: Rant Re Rev Documentation)
In-Reply-To: <82AE402F-60BD-419D-95FF-0C0F23317CAB@conncoll.edu>
References: <BF0A567B.D952%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
	<553C870D-6FBA-4C92-BD67-8F5385282E7E@danshafer.com>
	<82AE402F-60BD-419D-95FF-0C0F23317CAB@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <A4D7C7BF-8396-43D1-A8B9-95CA412A03FD@danshafer.com>

I have a bit of trouble envisioning why it would be important for me  
to hard-code into an application the number of copies of a document  
to be printed. If the application requires that 3 copies of the  
report be generated, can we not trust the user to enter "3" into the  
"number of copies" field of the dialog? Or am I really missing  
something important and obvious here?

Maybe this is more an exemplar of the kinds of issues people are  
concerned with than it is a complaint about Rev's design?


On Jul 25, 2005, at 8:55 AM, Charles Hartman wrote:

> It's not going to make me any more popular, but I have to say that  
> this seems like an example of the basic problem. It's a pretty  
> glaring bug -- as someone else pointed out, if you make the print  
> dialog available, you probably need to pay attention to what it says.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
 From http://www.revolutionpros.com, Click "My Stuff"





From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Mon Jul 25 12:08:21 2005
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:08:21 -0700
Subject: [WARN] Inserting Any Plugin in the AltPluginToolbar
Message-ID: <p06230903bf0abeeba4e7@[192.168.1.104]>

Eric,
Why not make your plugs compatible with Chipp's Alt Bar, since you 
don't have a 'bar' of your own? He's described what's needed for that 
to happen online and invites other developers and it appears really 
easy. The auto-update feature works great and many of us have gotten 
used to the 'bar'. I use many of your plugs and it sure would make 
updating easier. Also there is a method of adding plugs to altBar 
that are outside of the plugin folder completely, which currently I 
do with no side effects. It's just a drag that the auto-update 
feature is not there for those plugs.

There really is no 'architecture'. they're still just plugins.

 From Chipps's site:

"Also, altPlugin does not modify anything in the current RunRev IDE. 
No frontscripts are inserted. The intention is to make altPlugin 
'transparent' to the IDE."


http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altPluginCover/about.htm


>Hi all,
>
>Lately Bob Earp asked for some 32*32 pixels icons in order to insert 
>"non Chipp's" plugins into AltPluginToolbar.
>At first, I did not realised what it could mean...
>To be inserted in the (great :-) AltPluginToolbar, other plugins 
>have to be compliant with Chipp's architecture.
>Plugins from So Smart Software were not designed to be compliant 
>with Chipp's architecture.
>So, I just want to warn anybody that such an idea (interesting at 
>first sight) can lead to many unexpected issues.
>
>Best Regards from Paris,
>
>Eric Chatonet.


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Mon Jul 25 12:23:19 2005
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:23:19 -0700
Subject: Print Dialog Interaction (was Re: Rant Re Rev Documentation)
In-Reply-To: <A4D7C7BF-8396-43D1-A8B9-95CA412A03FD@danshafer.com>
References: <BF0A567B.D952%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
	<553C870D-6FBA-4C92-BD67-8F5385282E7E@danshafer.com>
	<82AE402F-60BD-419D-95FF-0C0F23317CAB@conncoll.edu>
	<A4D7C7BF-8396-43D1-A8B9-95CA412A03FD@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <p06230904bf0ac1d553dc@[192.168.1.104]>

Well, HUG aside, in some workflows triplicates and duplicates are 
sometimes needed...and entering the number every time one makes a 
sale, etc could get tedious.

>I have a bit of trouble envisioning why it would be important for me 
>to hard-code into an application the number of copies of a document 
>to be printed. If the application requires that 3 copies of the 
>report be generated, can we not trust the user to enter "3" into the 
>"number of copies" field of the dialog? Or am I really missing 
>something important and obvious here?
>
>Maybe this is more an exemplar of the kinds of issues people are 
>concerned with than it is a complaint about Rev's design?
>


From revlist at cableone.net  Mon Jul 25 12:25:34 2005
From: revlist at cableone.net (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:25:34 -0600
Subject: I need help with custom cursors
In-Reply-To: <42E00620.5030407@ehug.info>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445E4@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>	<B8014442-F065-4065-9D0E-D7A0A2B808CB@cableone.net>	<86BADBA1-C283-4764-AEDE-F8C8721190FD@cableone.net>
	<23C94F7D-B48E-45AF-8A53-65BF1D625D4F@cableone.net>
	<42E00620.5030407@ehug.info>
Message-ID: <82459AD2-7244-48B4-A895-3ECCA6AC845F@cableone.net>

Hi Mark,

Sorry I've taken so long to respond.  I've been out of town for the  
last few days.

I'm not really sure what the problem would be.  I had a pre-existing  
jpg image that I started with.  I had to edit that image so that it  
only used three colors (some color very close to black (1,0,0 in my  
case), white, and then a transparent color).  I set the transparency  
(using Paint Shop Pro, btw), then saved it has a gif.  I imported  
that into Rev, used the pencil tool to edit a pixel, then I just hit  
undo to remove my changes to the image.  I set the cursor and it  
worked fine for me.

Not sure if that'll help or not.  It sounds like you've followed the  
same steps, except for using 0,0,1 instead of 1,0,0 for your  
"black".  Don't know if that would make a difference or not.

Chris


On Jul 21, 2005, at 2:31 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Chris,
>
> I tried as you suggest, but without success. I have an image of  
> 16x16 pixels, containing three colours: some transparent colour,  
> rgb value 0,0,1 and white. I saved it as a png and as a gif file.
>
> The png file is completely white, except for the transparent area,  
> when imported. If I use the pencil tool to change one pixel, it  
> becomes completely black (except the transparent area). If I import  
> the gif file, it gets completely black and stays black after  
> changing a pixel (except transparent area).
>
> Would you be willing to describe the process step by step?
>
> Best,
>
> Mark
>
> Chris Sheffield wrote:
>
>> For anyone who is even remotely interested, Jonathan has figured  
>> out  this little problem.
>> It turns out that using black in the cursor images is the  
>> problem.   So use some other color very close to black (RGB 1,0,0  
>> for example)  instead of black.  Then after importing your image  
>> into Rev, use  Rev's pencil tool to change a pixel or two, then  
>> just undo your  changes (I'm not sure what exactly this does, but  
>> it doesn't work  without this step).  Then just set your cursor  
>> like normal.  Works  like a charm.
>> Thanks again, Jonathan.
>> Chris
>> On Jul 13, 2005, at 2:31 PM, Chris Sheffield wrote:
>>
>>> Well, since no other ideas appear to be coming in, I'm wondering  
>>> if  anyone out there has any custom cursors that work that you  
>>> would be  willing to share.  I'm looking for an hourglass along  
>>> with left,  right, up and down pointing fingers (much like they  
>>> had/have in the  Myst games.  Anyone?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
> -- 
>
> eHUG coordinator
> mailto:europe at ehug.info
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>
> Please inform me about vacancies in the field of
> general economics at your institute. I am also looking
> for new freelance programming projects.
>
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From bann at sunncomm.com  Mon Jul 25 12:43:35 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:43:35 -0700
Subject: How to select the next clickLine of a scrolling list field
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760983@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>


Hello everyone,

Does anyone know how to select the next line of a scrolling list field?

Thanks


From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Mon Jul 25 12:55:02 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:55:02 -0400
Subject: array info request (was: Re: Rant Re Rev Documentation)
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445FA@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

In simplest terms:

In Revolution, an array is a container that holds keys, and each key is
a variable.

An array can be thought of as a box containing a number of smaller
boxes. myArray[1] would be a box named "1" that is contained within the
larger box named "myArray". The inner boxes do not have to be named
numbers. You can also have myArray["mybutt"] or any other valid variable
name.

If you do this:

Put "myButt" into myVariable
Put "way too scrawny" into myArray[myVariable]

Then the words "way too scrawny" will have been put in a key named
"mybutt" inside an array named "myArray"


Arrays reside in memory, but are not saved. (although you can have
global arrays, which stick around after the handler runs, but are not
saved onto disk)

If you want an array to be accessed by multiple users, you would need to
save it as a custom property set.

Custom properties and custom property sets can really be quite confusing
until you get used to them. They use the same type of notation as
arrays. I would suggest reading the docs about custom property sets very
thoroughly, then coming here to ask questions about those things that
are still confusing.

You can create a data stack that stores information in custom property
sets. You can keep that data stack on a shared drive, and allow everyone
to search that custom property set from their computer.

I warn you in advance, there are quite a few pitfalls to be wary of if
you choose this method - but if you get it right, Revolution searches
custom property sets very fast.




-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of keith
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 12:00 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: array info request (was: Re: Rant Re Rev Documentation)

Sometime around 25/7/05 (at 01:19 -0400) Thomas McGrath III said:

>I always learn best by example.

Absolutely!
Speaking of learning by example (or any other method, I'm not fussy! 
;-) is there anything around that could help me get my head around 
arrays? Some kind of simple guide that doesn't start out at too high 
a level? Gotta start sometime! :-)

I've made a bit of headway by dissecting and rebuilding a few simple 
things from past threads in this list, so I can put the contents of a 
set of fields into a line in an array in a card's user property and 
then pull specific elements (items?) back out again.


What I'm wondering is whether arrays would be a useful way to store 
data which is to be accessed by more than one person across a 
network? There're perhaps 30 different fields and popup menus, and 
some of the fields will contain a few paragraphs of text each. (Yes, 
paragraphs. So returns have to be accepted in the data, in case that 
makes any difference.)

I had been experimenting with using a text file on a networked 
computer (as suggested here), with the first item on each line 
flagging whether it could be edited or not. Editing a record involves 
reading the record, parsing the data into fields, making the changes 
there, then writing it all back out to the same record again.

I'm hoping to add search abilities, and I wondered if using a data 
array might be more efficient... but I'm definitely fairly in the 
dark about these structures!

I presume an array is a kind of data structure that has to be stored 
in a stack in some way, perhaps as a user property? It seems to be 
layered in a more complex dimensional way than can be represented in 
a flat text file. Or am I assuming more complications than there 
actually are?

k

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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Jul 25 12:56:17 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:56:17 -0500
Subject: How to select the next clickLine of a scrolling list field
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760983@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <BF0A83E1.2620C%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 7/25/05 11:43 AM, "Ban Nguyen" <bann at sunncomm.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> Does anyone know how to select the next line of a scrolling list field?

put the hilitedLines of fld "MyListFld" into tLine
set the hilitedLines of fld "MyListFld" to (tLine+1)

OR (more compact):

set the hilitedLines of fld "MyListFld" to (the hilitedLines of fld
"MyListFld" + 1)

HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jul 25 13:11:11 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:11:11 -0700
Subject: array info request
In-Reply-To: <p06230918bf0ab6e1d218@[10.0.0.17]>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507242156310.5249-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>	<8d86d09b4d749d35ad847419f46e1c7b@adelphia.net>
	<p06230918bf0ab6e1d218@[10.0.0.17]>
Message-ID: <42E51D2F.2010100@fourthworld.com>

keith wrote:
> is there anything around that could help me get my head around arrays? 

This may help get you started:
<http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2004-July/039018.html>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 25 13:13:02 2005
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:13:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Turtle Graphics
Message-ID: <20050725171302.70713.qmail@web40521.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Jim,

Could you make an option to draw the Turtle Graphics
with vectors graphics, not only bitmaps?

In this way, they could be exported and edited
in vector drawing applications like Flash, 
FreeHand, Ilustrator, etc.

Thanks in advance,

al

on Mon, 25 Jul 2005 
Jim Hurley wrote:

>I have in mind is illustrated in the following 
>Turtle Graphics "home stack":

>go stack url 
>"http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/TurtleGraphics.rev"

> After you have punched all the buttons you should 
> know whether TG, as an addendum to Transcript, would

> be of any use to you.



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From see3d at writeme.com  Mon Jul 25 13:22:17 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:22:17 -0400
Subject: array info request (new thread)
Message-ID: <1BDEC1C1-547E-4383-B4ED-F40C6EA8E2A1@writeme.com>

On Jul 25, 2005, at 12:00 PM, keith wrote:
> Sometime around 25/7/05 (at 01:19 -0400) Thomas McGrath III said:
>
>
>> I always learn best by example.
>>
>
> Absolutely!
> Speaking of learning by example (or any other method, I'm not  
> fussy! ;-) is there anything around that could help me get my head  
> around arrays? Some kind of simple guide that doesn't start out at  
> too high a level? Gotta start sometime! :-)


Keith,

It also took ma a bit of time to understand arrays.  It turns out to  
be rather simple.
Please let me practice a bit with some ideas I have about how to  
explain arrays in simple terms.

An Array element is simply a variable with two names.  The family  
name like Jones and the secondary name Jones["David"].
Now each time a new Jones kid is born, we can create a new entry for  
his birthday put "2005,July,25," into Jones["John"]
Arrays may look like they are complex multidimensional constructs,  
but it is a lie --they are simple one dimensional variables.
Array[key] and Array[key1,key2,key3] are both actually flat.  Array 
["1,2,3"] is the same as Array[1,2,3].
The keys of Array is a list of all the combinations of keys that have  
a data element stored.
An Array key can be any text.  A multidimensional array key is just a  
text version of all the keys combined key1&","&key2&","&key3
Because arrays are variables they lose there contents the same as  
other variables.

One kind of array will cam retain its values.  These are called  
custom property sets.  See Dan's scripting conference for some more  
details about these.
The limitation of using a custom property set is that you are limited  
to a single key in the [key].  However, as I have just shown, that is  
not really much of a limitation because you can create your own  
multiple key by combining keys like CustomPropertySetArray 
[key1&&key2&&key3].

The advantage of arrays over creating a bunch of variable names  
(e.g.,  put "2005,July,25," into (Jones&John)), is that you can't do  
that without a 'do' command which is slow and is also cumbersome to  
write.  With an array you can build the key name the same way you can  
build any text or number.  In fact you could have a single generic  
array that is used just for the purpose of making up variable names  
on the fly:  allMyVariables["someVariableName"], but this is an  
extreme example just to make a point.

Getting the keys of an array make it clear what is going on.

There is more you can do with special commands like split and combine  
arrays.

Some commands only work with arrays where all the elements must be  
numbers --like Sum, Average, Median, Min, Max, StandardDiviation.   
The array is just a proxy for a list of numbers.

Other commands only work with arrays that only have a two sequential  
numbers as two keys (x,y) and all the elements must be numbers --like  
matrixMultiply and transpose.

I don't know if this was any help, but I would also like to improve  
my conceptualizing of Rev arrays.  Please ask more questions, or if  
anyone else has another slant on understanding arrays please  
contribute it to this thread.  Perhaps it can be used as the  
springboard to a scripting conference stack on arrays and lists.




From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Mon Jul 25 13:24:46 2005
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:24:46 -0400
Subject: Print Dialog Interaction (was Re: Rant Re Rev Documentation)
In-Reply-To: <A4D7C7BF-8396-43D1-A8B9-95CA412A03FD@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <BF0A989E.D987%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

I print government forms. Some of them require 5 copies. Some require 2
copies. Some just one. It would be very nice if I could press one button
"print all the stupid government forms" and then it would go to each form
and print the number of copies each form requires.

In hypercard days this was also difficult to do and required generating
multiple copies and sending those to the printer which takes more print time
than using the printer's ability to repeat a download.


On 7/25/05 12:09 PM, "Dan Shafer" <revdan at danshafer.com> wrote:

> I have a bit of trouble envisioning why it would be important for me
> to hard-code into an application the number of copies of a document
> to be printed. If the application requires that 3 copies of the
> report be generated, can we not trust the user to enter "3" into the
> "number of copies" field of the dialog? Or am I really missing
> something important and obvious here?
> 
> Maybe this is more an exemplar of the kinds of issues people are
> concerned with than it is a complaint about Rev's design?
> 
> 
> On Jul 25, 2005, at 8:55 AM, Charles Hartman wrote:
> 
>> It's not going to make me any more popular, but I have to say that
>> this seems like an example of the basic problem. It's a pretty
>> glaring bug -- as someone else pointed out, if you make the print
>> dialog available, you probably need to pay attention to what it says.
> 
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author
> http://www.shafermedia.com
> Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
>  From http://www.revolutionpros.com, Click "My Stuff"
> 
> 
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From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Mon Jul 25 13:26:43 2005
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:26:43 -0400
Subject: Print Dialog Interaction (was Re: Rant Re Rev Documentation)
In-Reply-To: <A4D7C7BF-8396-43D1-A8B9-95CA412A03FD@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <BF0A9913.D988%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

Also the present release of Tiger has a bug (only evident in runrev) that
requires an extra step in the print dialogue. To change the number of copies
to be printed you have to choose another printer first and then go back and
choose the right printer then the field where you put the number of copies
allows you to change it.


On 7/25/05 12:09 PM, "Dan Shafer" <revdan at danshafer.com> wrote:

> I have a bit of trouble envisioning why it would be important for me
> to hard-code into an application the number of copies of a document
> to be printed. If the application requires that 3 copies of the
> report be generated, can we not trust the user to enter "3" into the
> "number of copies" field of the dialog? Or am I really missing
> something important and obvious here?
> 
> Maybe this is more an exemplar of the kinds of issues people are
> concerned with than it is a complaint about Rev's design?
> 
> 
> On Jul 25, 2005, at 8:55 AM, Charles Hartman wrote:
> 
>> It's not going to make me any more popular, but I have to say that
>> this seems like an example of the basic problem. It's a pretty
>> glaring bug -- as someone else pointed out, if you make the print
>> dialog available, you probably need to pay attention to what it says.
> 
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> http://www.shafermedia.com
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From keith at vortex.co.uk  Mon Jul 25 13:31:44 2005
From: keith at vortex.co.uk (keith)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:31:44 +0100
Subject: array info request (was: Re: Rant Re Rev Documentation)
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445FA@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445FA@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <p0623091abf0acbcdb988@[10.0.0.17]>

Sometime around 25/7/05 (at 12:55 -0400) Lynch, Jonathan said:

>In simplest terms:
>
>In Revolution, an array is a container that holds keys, and each key is
>a variable.

[very helpful information snipped reluctantly!]


>I would suggest reading the docs about custom property sets very
>thoroughly, then coming here to ask questions about those things that
>are still confusing.

Will do, thanks.


>  warn you in advance, there are quite a few pitfalls to be wary of if
>you choose this method - but if you get it right, Revolution searches
>custom property sets very fast.

Any hints for things I should perhaps try to avoid? I know learning 
happens fast when you have to debug stuff, but it would be *very* 
nice (especially for my wife's sanity) if I could side-step a few 
things from the start! :-)

Thanks for all this info BTW!

k

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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Mon Jul 25 13:32:35 2005
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:32:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Rant Re Rev Documentation
In-Reply-To: <BF0A567B.D952%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507251027580.22169-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>


But, Dan, consider the audience:

How many of those who really NEED the intro to the IDE booklet are going
to fork over $200 cash of their own money (plus transportation, plus
lodging: even for a California resident I think it ran me close to $1,000
for the whole kit'n'kaboodle) for a product that they are basically
EVALUATING?!

Of course, then there's the secondary consideration (probably m ore
primary for you) of it being needed versus it selling in great numbers.

Is it needed?  Yes.
Will people consent to an adoption model in which they are seemingly
nickled and dimed for necessary components?   Probably not.

:(

Judy

> On 7/25/05 1:17 AM, "Dan Shafer" <revdan at danshafer.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm just about to release my eBooklet on printing. What other
> > subjects do people want? Is a thorough overview of the IDE really
> > needed at this point? I gave one at RevCon West (well, not thorough;
> > not enough time) but not a lot of people seem interested.



From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Mon Jul 25 13:40:39 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:40:39 -0400
Subject: array info request (was: Re: Rant Re Rev Documentation)
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445FB@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

Custom properties and custom property sets should have 1-word names.

Somewhere in the docs it says otherwise, but having a space in the name
of a custom property caused me trouble at one point, which was fixed
when I made sure it just had a single-word name.


Another one that comes to mind is the repeat for each element control
structure...

The internal order in which keys are stored in a custom prop is not
sorted alphabetically - so, if you need to search in order, you might be
better off doing something like this:

Set the custompropertyset of me to "scheduledItems"
Put the customkeys of me into tKeys
Sort tKeys
Repeat for each line L in tKeys
  If the scheduleditems[L] of me contains "my search string" then 
    Do whatever it needs to do
  End if
End repeat



There are other quirks as well, just don't recall them off the top of my
head.




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[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of keith
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 1:32 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: RE: array info request (was: Re: Rant Re Rev Documentation)

Sometime around 25/7/05 (at 12:55 -0400) Lynch, Jonathan said:

>In simplest terms:
>
>In Revolution, an array is a container that holds keys, and each key is
>a variable.

[very helpful information snipped reluctantly!]


>I would suggest reading the docs about custom property sets very
>thoroughly, then coming here to ask questions about those things that
>are still confusing.

Will do, thanks.


>  warn you in advance, there are quite a few pitfalls to be wary of if
>you choose this method - but if you get it right, Revolution searches
>custom property sets very fast.

Any hints for things I should perhaps try to avoid? I know learning 
happens fast when you have to debug stuff, but it would be *very* 
nice (especially for my wife's sanity) if I could side-step a few 
things from the start! :-)

Thanks for all this info BTW!

k

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From userev at canelasoftware.com  Mon Jul 25 13:43:28 2005
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:43:28 -0700
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
Message-ID: <FB0312F8-A2E5-49FF-BE30-3066CAAC8A7E@canelasoftware.com>

Dear fellow Revers,

I use Rev every day like many of you and got stuck on something.  I  
have a registration screen that works perfectly when the stack is  
modal.  When the stack is toplevel, things fall apart.  I looked up  
the modal command in the Rev Docs and found an answer to my  
question.  Modal stacks stop a script in action until the modal stack  
has been closed.  I did not realize this before.

The point is, I think it is important to post once in a while how the  
Rev Docs do work for us.  Quite possibly, they work more for us than  
they fail us.  Over the years, there have been plenty of comments on  
how the Docs are inadequate, but few on their usefulness.  I use them  
every day and have a deep appreciation for their existence.  Thank  
you to all those involved.


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jul 25 13:45:07 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:45:07 -0700
Subject: [WARN] Inserting Any Plugin in the AltPluginToolbar
In-Reply-To: <p06230903bf0abeeba4e7@[192.168.1.104]>
References: <p06230903bf0abeeba4e7@[192.168.1.104]>
Message-ID: <42E52523.80908@fourthworld.com>

Stephen Barncard wrote:
> Why not make your plugs compatible with Chipp's Alt Bar, since you don't 
> have a 'bar' of your own? 
...
> There really is no 'architecture'. they're still just plugins.

Yet they require modification to work there.

And that would be the case with devolution too, if you wanted them 
automatically updated.  And with any other toolkit out there which could 
provide support for other people's tools.

Interoperability between plugins can be very valuable, but it would be 
combersome for me to require that others add properties and objects just 
to work with mine, and then to add similar but differently-named 
properties to work with Chipp's, and similar but differently-named 
properties to work with Eric's, and so on with every new toolkit that 
comes along.

Could there be a single set of conventions which could be used by all 
plugin authors to allow interoperability among all toolkits?

That's the central question of the Rev Interoperability Group:
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revInterop/>

As announced in Malta last year and explained in greater detail at 
RevCon West last month, RIP is an open working group for arriving at 
common solutions for things most of us are doing but had been doing 
differently from one another.  Everything the group recommends is 
inherently optional and extensible, so one can adopt them or not to the 
degree that they want their tools and toolkits to work well with those 
from other authors and still provide any additional functionality unique 
to their toolkit with no penalty.

The first deliverable from the RIP working group is the Edinburgh Core 
Metadata Initiative (ECMI).  Modelled largely on the popular Dublin Core 
Metadata Initiative (but with a geographic reference to our friends at 
RunRev <g>), ECMI provides a set of conventions fort custom properties 
which support a wide range of common tool and project management tasks, 
including version control, automated updating, and more.

Chipp has made contributions to the group, and Eric, Ken, Paul, myself, 
and others are in the process of updating our tools to use these 
conventions.

The initial draft of ECMI is available in the Files section of that 
group.  Tools for authors to help set up and manage those properties are 
in development by Eric, Ken, and myself, and should be available before 
the draft is finalized.

The group is open to participation by anyone who has an interest in 
making Rev tools for others.  Feel free to join in the discussion there.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From M.Lange at ed.ac.uk  Mon Jul 25 14:04:11 2005
From: M.Lange at ed.ac.uk (Marielle Lange)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:04:11 +0100
Subject: Squarified Treemaps
In-Reply-To: <1a9c0bcec446bdf7a2feff59eedc2ed1@openpartnership.net>
References: <20050724195335.3E531824DD4@mail.runrev.com>
	<1a9c0bcec446bdf7a2feff59eedc2ed1@openpartnership.net>
Message-ID: <p06100505bf0ad65be2f2@[129.215.153.149]>

Dear David,

I am interested in this as well. I would appreciate if you could 
kindly add me to your "to:" list when you advertise any new 
development on this, as I don't have time to follow all threads on 
the use-revolution list.

In case this can be useful, I have recently traced papers introducing 
algorithms for the automatic production of concept maps:
http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~kremer/dissertation/ - Constraint 
Graphs: A Concept Map Meta-Language
http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/conklin02webbased.html -  Interactive 
visualization and exploration of diverse data Nathan James Conklin 
(2002)
http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/462379.html - Fully Dynamic Algorithms 
for Path Problems on Directed Graphs
http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/noik96dynamic.html  - Dynamic Fisheye 
Views: Combining Dynamic Queries and Mapping with Database View 
Definition

Some of these links are reproduced at: 
http://revolution.lexicall.org/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=TechniquesGraphPlots
Feel free to contribute to this page (that's a wiki with open access 
to self-registered members)

Best,
Marielle


>No, but very interested.
>
>I have code for directed / undirected graphing of relationships and 
>am looking at Tree maps for a current project. So lets keep in touch?
>
>On 24 Jul 2005, at 22:02, Mike Doub wrote:
>
>>I am doing some experimentation with data visualization and was wondering if
>>anyone had already created a control for a Squarified Treemap written in
>>transcript.
>>
>>Are there any other transcript based data visualization tools available?
>>
>>Thanks in Advance.
>>    Mike


-- 
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Informatics
University of Edinburgh, UK

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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jul 25 14:08:14 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:08:14 -0700
Subject: Who is doing what with Revolution
In-Reply-To: <224C1220-DC67-4684-8E32-61560B37B69E@mac.com>
References: <224C1220-DC67-4684-8E32-61560B37B69E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <42E52A8E.3030204@fourthworld.com>

Gary Thompson wrote:
> What are the possibilities of Revolution?

Endless.

> Are there any (or many) commercial apps built with it?

Hundreds, if not thousands.  Many are used in-house in corporations and 
don't make their way out into the world at large, but a large and 
growing number do.

> Are developers using it to prototype an idea than switching to some  
> other tool?

Sometimes, and sometimes they start that way and wind up delivering the 
finished work in Rev once they find out how capable it is.

Often Rev is used start to finish from the outset.

> Is multimedia a prime focus of Revolution?

It's a strong part of what makes Rev powerful, but I consider Rev more 
of a general-purpose app development tool with strong rich-media support.

> Could I build a business around Revolution? 

Many of us do. :)

> By this I mean either  build 
> a software line of products or is it better suited for building  custom 
> one-offs for consulting jobs or????

Rev provides hooks for some of the most popular database engines, and if 
your needs are modest you can use arrays or lists for a reasonably 
efficient RAM-based database.  Some use cards for records a la 
HyperCard, and while that will work the inventor of the engine doesn't 
recommend it for more than 5,000 cards.

> Are there certain apps you shouldn't try to develop in Revolution?  Such 
> as intense number-crunching?

Yes and no.  Rev does surprisingly well on a great many tasks, but as 
with any tool there are strengths and weaknesses.  Highly iterative 
number crunching has been cited as one, but I suspect the boundaries 
have not been fully explored.

Should you come across a task that could benefit from something like C, 
you can use C to write an external for that one task and still get all 
of the other benefits of writing everything else in Rev.


For some examples of products made in Rev:

Case Studies at RunRev.com:
<http://www.runrev.com/section/case_studies/>

A number of Rev-based products are also listed here (though the list 
isn't nearly as complete as it could be):
<http://downloads.runrev.com/stacks_apps/>

Chipp Walters' Hemmingway is described here:
<http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRevCaseStudies/Hemingway.htm>

Trevor DeVore has some cool products here:
<http://mangomultimedia.com/education/v730_intro.htm>

A fascinating multimedia geospatial internet app:
<http://ddm.geo.umass.edu/>

A really cool simulation series:
<http://reactorlab.net/>

Tools for educators:
<http://revolution.lexicall.org/stacks_education.php>

Some good articles from Novell on Revolution:
<http://search.novell.com/qfsearch/SearchServlet?bbshow=true&bbindex=&theme=&encoding=iso-8859-1&noredirect=&collection=Novell&query=revolution&hdrsrchsubmit=Search>

An old list of some of the stuff I've worked on (if I can slow down 
making new stuff I might get around to updating this):
<http://www.fourthworld.com/casestudies/index.html>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From larsbrehmer at mac.com  Mon Jul 25 14:13:19 2005
From: larsbrehmer at mac.com (Lars Brehmer)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:13:19 +0300
Subject: Open with?
Message-ID: <92775026-D4D7-49F4-9A20-9AD2912AE3B5@mac.com>

I just downloaded 2.6 for a test drive, but now all of my rev files  
try to open with 2.6, even when it's in the trash.  On the open with  
contextual menu, 2.5 isn't one of the options even though it is  
installed and has been for a while, and when I click "get info" it  
isn't an option in the "open with" there either.  So with 2.6 in the  
trash, i can't double click on a rev file to open it (error message)  
and from within rev, I can't choose open file and navigate to a file  
that is in a standalone package.  I can open the package and drag the  
rev file onto the rev 2.5 icon in my dock, but what a pain!  I seem  
to remember seeing this in the list back when 2.6 was released, but  
no lick finding it in the list archives.

Anyone know the way around this?

Cheers,

Lars


From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Mon Jul 25 14:18:10 2005
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:18:10 -0700
Subject: Rant Re Rev Documentation
In-Reply-To: <1ff5a67d69559604ef1922fdd146a675@adelphia.net>
References: <p06110400bf08a3e4dac1@[66.81.39.144]>
	<42E3215F.8010500@comcast.net>	<p06210200bf09ea6246cb@[66.81.59.124]>
	<29B2BAFC-D8DC-46F8-82C7-48D110EAFB93@genesearch.com.au>
	<1ff5a67d69559604ef1922fdd146a675@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <p06200701bf0adc576164@[10.0.1.2]>

>Tim,
>
>I too disagree with your request/demand that the reference guide be 
>a tutorial as well.

Hi Sarah, and others who share the quoted sentiment.

Well, it's not a demand. I want Rev to succeed, and I think better 
and more extensive documentation will help them do that. It could be 
critically important, though that's just an educated guess.

I don't mean to suggest that the reference guide should be a 
tutorial. I mean to suggest that it should be an adequate reference 
guide, at minimum, and preferably an excellent reference guide.

You're right about not making it overly complicated. The first few 
approximations on the way to adequate would only require 
supplementation of the existing reference format. That might be all 
that is necessary for excellent.

Best regards,


Tim



From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Mon Jul 25 14:21:54 2005
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:21:54 -0700
Subject: Rant Re Rev Documentation
In-Reply-To: <33FDFEDC-085B-4FCF-95F1-252A55EC007D@danshafer.com>
References: <p06110400bf08a3e4dac1@[66.81.39.144]>
	<42E3215F.8010500@comcast.net>	<p06210200bf09ea6246cb@[66.81.59.124]>
	<33FDFEDC-085B-4FCF-95F1-252A55EC007D@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <p06200702bf0adddabc32@[10.0.1.2]>

>Not too far off the mark, Timothy, but a little.
>
>When I started my Rev book "series" the idea was that i would simply 
>"port" my HT book to Rev and be done with it. A number of users on 
>the list at that time ensured me that if I did that, I'd be doing 
>the community a huge service. It seemed like a pretty simple 
>undertaking so I jumped in.
>

--snip--

Thanks for the nice reply Dan. I'm totally with you. You didn't rant 
or ramble. It's really a shame your book isn't selling better. One 
hopes that Rev's user base will grow exponentially. I fear that isn't 
happening so far.

Best regards,


Tim


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Jul 25 14:34:35 2005
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:34:35 -0700
Subject: External for running one instance on windows
In-Reply-To: <75776ce0c091d314c34a74a6577c8363@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <75776ce0c091d314c34a74a6577c8363@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <c44bb053faf512c18b8bc9fd505116ef@mangomultimedia.com>

Anyone who downloaded the EnhancedWin DLL should download it again.  I  
had an incorrect configuration option when I compiled the DLL and it  
was requiring msvcr71.dll which isn't necessary.

You can download the DLL at :

<http://www.mangomultimedia.com/download/revolution/enhancedwin/ 
EnhancedWin.zip>


-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Multimedia
trevor at mangomultimedia.com



From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Mon Jul 25 14:34:16 2005
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:34:16 -0700
Subject: [WARN] Inserting Any Plugin in the AltPluginToolbar
In-Reply-To: <42E52523.80908@fourthworld.com>
References: <p06230903bf0abeeba4e7@[192.168.1.104]>
	<42E52523.80908@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <p06230907bf0ae0196bd0@[192.168.1.104]>

Then Richard, we're in good hands and trust the main IDE plugin 
developers will come up with the standards. And yes I lurk in that 
group.. and I like what you are doing.

sqb

>
>Chipp has made contributions to the group, and Eric, Ken, Paul, 
>myself, and others are in the process of updating our tools to use 
>these conventions.
>
>--
>  Richard Gaskin


From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Mon Jul 25 14:36:57 2005
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:36:57 -0700
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <FB0312F8-A2E5-49FF-BE30-3066CAAC8A7E@canelasoftware.com>
References: <FB0312F8-A2E5-49FF-BE30-3066CAAC8A7E@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <p06200704bf0ae0a5638f@[10.0.1.2]>

>Dear fellow Revers,
>
>I use Rev every day like many of you and got stuck on something.  I 
>have a registration screen that works perfectly when the stack is 
>modal.  When the stack is toplevel, things fall apart.  I looked up 
>the modal command in the Rev Docs and found an answer to my 
>question.  Modal stacks stop a script in action until the modal 
>stack has been closed.  I did not realize this before.
>
>The point is, I think it is important to post once in a while how 
>the Rev Docs do work for us.  Quite possibly, they work more for us 
>than they fail us.  Over the years, there have been plenty of 
>comments on how the Docs are inadequate, but few on their 
>usefulness.  I use them every day and have a deep appreciation for 
>their existence.  Thank you to all those involved.
>
>Mark Talluto


I agree with you more than you might expect, Mark. Very often, the 
Rev docs work very well for me. It's delightful that they are 
onboard. Heaven knows I look at them every day. They have been my 
best teacher.

But Rev is advertised as "enterprise-ware" if I'm not mistaken. In 
theory, Rev is great for pros, great for novices, and great for 
do-it-yourself end-users, who possess a modicum of intelligence, 
motivation and computer experience.

Maybe it's fine for Pros, but it's too damned hard for everyone else. 
The documentation presently available is the biggest bottleneck, in 
my opinion. It still seems to me that it just wouldn't be that hard 
or expensive to make it a whole lot better.


Cheers,


Tim


From bann at sunncomm.com  Mon Jul 25 14:38:09 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:38:09 -0700
Subject: how to set the size of the card smaller than the size of the stack
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760985@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>

Hello,

Does anyone know how to set the size of the card smaller than the size
of the stack. When I create a new card in a stack, the card is the same
size as the stack.  I want its size smaller


I have a main stack:  In this stack I have 5 cards
On the first card I have all graphics set up like background,
borders.... and I also create 5 buttons to link to different cards

Here is the problem:  every time I create a new card, I have to copy all
the graphics from the first card and paste into the new card (I want all
card have the same look, just want to change the content)

Is there any better way to do this

I did another way by creating different substacks but it did not work
the way I want it because those substacks are displayed in different
locations (user's screen resolution)

Thank you for your help


From see3d at writeme.com  Mon Jul 25 14:43:11 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:43:11 -0400
Subject: array info request (new thread)
In-Reply-To: <1BDEC1C1-547E-4383-B4ED-F40C6EA8E2A1@writeme.com>
References: <1BDEC1C1-547E-4383-B4ED-F40C6EA8E2A1@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <D2896A23-FA16-4377-8B43-7A0CDECCAFF6@writeme.com>

Jonathan,

This is interesting about the 1-word names.  I have been using  
multiword names without any problems.

Do you recall exactly what the problem was?
Was it that the array did not work as advertized, or that you had  
problems with sorting keys or making the key unique?

Of course multi-item names are the normal state for a key name so  
even if my preferred simplicity of array[key1&&key2]  for custom  
property set arrays has a problem, array[key1&comma&key2] has got to  
work.

Dennis

On Jul 25, 2005, at 1:40 PM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:
> Custom properties and custom property sets should have 1-word names.
>
> Somewhere in the docs it says otherwise, but having a space in the  
> name
> of a custom property caused me trouble at one point, which was fixed
> when I made sure it just had a single-word name.
>
>
> Another one that comes to mind is the repeat for each element control
> structure...
>
> The internal order in which keys are stored in a custom prop is not
> sorted alphabetically - so, if you need to search in order, you  
> might be
> better off doing something like this:
>
> Set the custompropertyset of me to "scheduledItems"
> Put the customkeys of me into tKeys
> Sort tKeys
> Repeat for each line L in tKeys
>   If the scheduleditems[L] of me contains "my search string" then
>     Do whatever it needs to do
>   End if
> End repeat




From scott at tactilemedia.com  Mon Jul 25 14:47:49 2005
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:47:49 -0700
Subject: how to set the size of the card smaller than the size of the
	stack
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760985@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <BF0A81E5.1CCE4%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Ban Nguyen  wrote:

> Does anyone know how to set the size of the card smaller than the size
> of the stack. When I create a new card in a stack, the card is the same
> size as the stack.  I want its size smaller

If the card was smaller than the stack, what would you expect to see beyond
the borders of the card?  *Something* has to be there.


> Here is the problem:  every time I create a new card, I have to copy all
> the graphics from the first card and paste into the new card (I want all
> card have the same look, just want to change the content)
> 
> Is there any better way to do this

Yes -- group the items you want to appear on each card and set the group's
background behavior property to true.


Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Mon Jul 25 14:47:19 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:47:19 -0400
Subject: how to set the size of the card smaller than the size of the
	stack
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445FD@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

You cannot adjust the size of the card - but you also do not need to do
this.

Try creating your stack with just one card at first. Put together
everything you need on that first card, then group all those objects
together. Then, set the backgroundbehavior of that group to true.

>From this point, when you are on a card that has this background and you
create a new card, all the objects from that background will appear on
the new card.

You can also use the place command - but I suggest starting with the
above method at first, until you are fully familiar with the way groups,
backgrounds, cards, and stacks are structured and interact.

Good luck

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Ban Nguyen
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:38 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: how to set the size of the card smaller than the size of the
stack

Hello,

Does anyone know how to set the size of the card smaller than the size
of the stack. When I create a new card in a stack, the card is the same
size as the stack.  I want its size smaller


I have a main stack:  In this stack I have 5 cards
On the first card I have all graphics set up like background,
borders.... and I also create 5 buttons to link to different cards

Here is the problem:  every time I create a new card, I have to copy all
the graphics from the first card and paste into the new card (I want all
card have the same look, just want to change the content)

Is there any better way to do this

I did another way by creating different substacks but it did not work
the way I want it because those substacks are displayed in different
locations (user's screen resolution)

Thank you for your help
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From revdan at danshafer.com  Mon Jul 25 14:52:54 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:52:54 -0700
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <p06200704bf0ae0a5638f@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <FB0312F8-A2E5-49FF-BE30-3066CAAC8A7E@canelasoftware.com>
	<p06200704bf0ae0a5638f@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <216F385F-8DC1-4ADA-A4E6-DB3AED5BF5D9@danshafer.com>

Speaking as someone who's written a few words of documentation over  
the decades....

It is a LOT harder and more expensive than you think to make it a  
whole lot better.

RR has to decide where to put resources. And despite a lot of  
periodic and sporadic complaining about the docs, several attempts to  
set up teams of users to work on improvements and extensions have  
failed due to lack of interest.

Designing and writing good docs is nearly as hard as designing and  
writing good software.


On Jul 25, 2005, at 11:36 AM, Timothy Miller wrote:

> It still seems to me that it just wouldn't be that hard or  
> expensive to make it a whole lot better



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From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Mon Jul 25 14:50:14 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:50:14 -0400
Subject: array info request (new thread)
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A99680EE@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

I have never had a problem with multiple item arrays: myArray[1,2,3]

However, I did have a problem with a custom property set named
"Scheduled Items" - but the problem cleared up when I named it
"ScheduledItems" - I cannot remember what exactly the problem was, but I
do remember that it was not real obvious.

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
Brown
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:43 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: array info request (new thread)

Jonathan,

This is interesting about the 1-word names.  I have been using  
multiword names without any problems.

Do you recall exactly what the problem was?
Was it that the array did not work as advertized, or that you had  
problems with sorting keys or making the key unique?

Of course multi-item names are the normal state for a key name so  
even if my preferred simplicity of array[key1&&key2]  for custom  
property set arrays has a problem, array[key1&comma&key2] has got to  
work.

Dennis

On Jul 25, 2005, at 1:40 PM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:
> Custom properties and custom property sets should have 1-word names.
>
> Somewhere in the docs it says otherwise, but having a space in the  
> name
> of a custom property caused me trouble at one point, which was fixed
> when I made sure it just had a single-word name.
>
>
> Another one that comes to mind is the repeat for each element control
> structure...
>
> The internal order in which keys are stored in a custom prop is not
> sorted alphabetically - so, if you need to search in order, you  
> might be
> better off doing something like this:
>
> Set the custompropertyset of me to "scheduledItems"
> Put the customkeys of me into tKeys
> Sort tKeys
> Repeat for each line L in tKeys
>   If the scheduleditems[L] of me contains "my search string" then
>     Do whatever it needs to do
>   End if
> End repeat


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From bann at sunncomm.com  Mon Jul 25 14:55:01 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:55:01 -0700
Subject: how to set the size of the card smaller than the size of
	thestack
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E5AC@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>


> Does anyone know how to set the size of the card smaller than the size
> of the stack. When I create a new card in a stack, the card is the
same
> size as the stack.  I want its size smaller

If the card was smaller than the stack, what would you expect to see
beyond
the borders of the card?  *Something* has to be there.


> Here is the problem:  every time I create a new card, I have to copy
all
> the graphics from the first card and paste into the new card (I want
all
> card have the same look, just want to change the content)
> 
> Is there any better way to do this

-------------------------------------------


Yes -- group the items you want to appear on each card and set the
group's
background behavior property to true.

---------------------------------------------

I want user still see the other buttons so they can click to go there









From see3d at writeme.com  Mon Jul 25 14:59:37 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:59:37 -0400
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <p06200704bf0ae0a5638f@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <FB0312F8-A2E5-49FF-BE30-3066CAAC8A7E@canelasoftware.com>
	<p06200704bf0ae0a5638f@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <323460B9-13F8-4049-B4EB-3FCD433A9277@writeme.com>

Tim,

I have also posted in the past about the Docs merits and shortfalls  
and also suggested a wiki like you did.  A wiki would be great for  
fleshing out the docs in depth.  The built-in docs are great if you  
already know most stuff and just need a cheat sheet.  Like others  
have said the problem is how to get over the hurdle when starting  
out.  Tutorials are the best way, but they are also daunting when you  
look at all the stuff.  The scripting conferences are making a good  
backbone that could be used as the beginners tutorials for writing  
programs.  However, one of the problems is that all these pieces need  
to be updated as Rev is upgraded over time.  This can become daunting  
for an IDE tutorial with UI changes.  The whole issue is simple to  
conceptualize, and difficult to implement without strong leadership  
and commitment.  I would be happy to participate in such projects,  
but I don't have a clue how to get them started.

I could almost see a ransom-ware project to create a wiki for  
Transcript.  I wonder how much RunRev would kick into the bucket to  
make it happen?

Dennis

On Jul 25, 2005, at 2:36 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:

>> Dear fellow Revers,
>>
>> I use Rev every day like many of you and got stuck on something.   
>> I have a registration screen that works perfectly when the stack  
>> is modal.  When the stack is toplevel, things fall apart.  I  
>> looked up the modal command in the Rev Docs and found an answer to  
>> my question.  Modal stacks stop a script in action until the modal  
>> stack has been closed.  I did not realize this before.
>>
>> The point is, I think it is important to post once in a while how  
>> the Rev Docs do work for us.  Quite possibly, they work more for  
>> us than they fail us.  Over the years, there have been plenty of  
>> comments on how the Docs are inadequate, but few on their  
>> usefulness.  I use them every day and have a deep appreciation for  
>> their existence.  Thank you to all those involved.
>>
>> Mark Talluto
>>
>
>
> I agree with you more than you might expect, Mark. Very often, the  
> Rev docs work very well for me. It's delightful that they are  
> onboard. Heaven knows I look at them every day. They have been my  
> best teacher.
>
> But Rev is advertised as "enterprise-ware" if I'm not mistaken. In  
> theory, Rev is great for pros, great for novices, and great for do- 
> it-yourself end-users, who possess a modicum of intelligence,  
> motivation and computer experience.
>
> Maybe it's fine for Pros, but it's too damned hard for everyone  
> else. The documentation presently available is the biggest  
> bottleneck, in my opinion. It still seems to me that it just  
> wouldn't be that hard or expensive to make it a whole lot better.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Tim
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From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Mon Jul 25 15:07:19 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:07:19 -0400
Subject: array info request (new thread)
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445FE@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

I just tested this again, and the same problem shows up...

Try clicking a button with this script:

On mouseup
  Set the custompropertyset of this stack to "my Set"
  Set the myProp of this stack to "hello"
End mouseup

Then go look at the custom properties of the stack. When I do this, I
have a custom property named "myProp" listed under the custom property
set named "my set" - but I also have a custom property named myProp
listed under the default custom property set. The first time I click the
button, "hello" is put in the myProp in the default set, and then the
second time I click the button, "hello" is put in myProp in "my set".

Weird stuff, but it goes away if the custompropertyset just has a
one-word name.

Besides, you need a one-word name if you are going to access it with
array notation: put mySet["myProp"] into field "my field"


-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Lynch,
Jonathan
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:50 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: RE: array info request (new thread)

I have never had a problem with multiple item arrays: myArray[1,2,3]

However, I did have a problem with a custom property set named
"Scheduled Items" - but the problem cleared up when I named it
"ScheduledItems" - I cannot remember what exactly the problem was, but I
do remember that it was not real obvious.

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
Brown
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:43 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: array info request (new thread)

Jonathan,

This is interesting about the 1-word names.  I have been using  
multiword names without any problems.

Do you recall exactly what the problem was?
Was it that the array did not work as advertized, or that you had  
problems with sorting keys or making the key unique?

Of course multi-item names are the normal state for a key name so  
even if my preferred simplicity of array[key1&&key2]  for custom  
property set arrays has a problem, array[key1&comma&key2] has got to  
work.

Dennis

On Jul 25, 2005, at 1:40 PM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:
> Custom properties and custom property sets should have 1-word names.
>
> Somewhere in the docs it says otherwise, but having a space in the  
> name
> of a custom property caused me trouble at one point, which was fixed
> when I made sure it just had a single-word name.
>
>
> Another one that comes to mind is the repeat for each element control
> structure...
>
> The internal order in which keys are stored in a custom prop is not
> sorted alphabetically - so, if you need to search in order, you  
> might be
> better off doing something like this:
>
> Set the custompropertyset of me to "scheduledItems"
> Put the customkeys of me into tKeys
> Sort tKeys
> Repeat for each line L in tKeys
>   If the scheduleditems[L] of me contains "my search string" then
>     Do whatever it needs to do
>   End if
> End repeat


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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Jul 25 15:12:42 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:12:42 -0700
Subject: [WARN] Inserting Any Plugin in the AltPluginToolbar
In-Reply-To: <42E52523.80908@fourthworld.com>
References: <p06230903bf0abeeba4e7@[192.168.1.104]>
	<42E52523.80908@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <1699756248.20050725121242@ahsoftware.net>

Richard-

Monday, July 25, 2005, 10:45:07 AM, you wrote:

RG> The initial draft of ECMI is available in the Files section of that
RG> group.  Tools for authors to help set up and manage those properties are
RG> in development by Eric, Ken, and myself, and should be available before
RG> the draft is finalized.

But, as I've pointed out before, keeping the ECMI as a private
document hardly qualifies it as a "standard". One really shouldn't
have to join the group to be able to read it.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Mon Jul 25 15:09:46 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:09:46 -0400
Subject: how to set the size of the card smaller than the size ofthestack
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A99680F0@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

The new card does not have to be a complete copy.

Those control you want copied can show up from the group with
backgroundbehavior set to true.

Other controls can be placed on whatever cards you want, and as long as
they are not part of a background group, they will be just on that card.

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Ban Nguyen
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:55 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: RE: how to set the size of the card smaller than the size
ofthestack


> Does anyone know how to set the size of the card smaller than the size
> of the stack. When I create a new card in a stack, the card is the
same
> size as the stack.  I want its size smaller

If the card was smaller than the stack, what would you expect to see
beyond
the borders of the card?  *Something* has to be there.


> Here is the problem:  every time I create a new card, I have to copy
all
> the graphics from the first card and paste into the new card (I want
all
> card have the same look, just want to change the content)
> 
> Is there any better way to do this

-------------------------------------------


Yes -- group the items you want to appear on each card and set the
group's
background behavior property to true.

---------------------------------------------

I want user still see the other buttons so they can click to go there







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From rjearp at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 25 15:17:26 2005
From: rjearp at hotmail.com (Bob Earp)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:17:26 -0700
Subject: altPlugIns Icons
Message-ID: <BAY106-F108E2897C7FAEA2988757FD1CA0@phx.gbl>

For anybody interested, I have uploaded a tiny stack to my user space (Bob 
Earp) that has 32 x 32 pixel icons for use with Chip's great altPlugIns tool 
for Flexible Learning's Scripters Scrapbook, Richard's RevNet and Eric's 
Color Picker and Resource Picker.  It's called altPlugIns_icons.rev

I certainly would not call these "professional" graphics, but they are a tad 
better than a whote question mark on a blue background ;-)

Many thanks to an absolutely fantastic developer community and all of the 
support you willingly give on an hourly basis.

best, Bob...

PS, Eric, I have yet to find a problem running your tools with Chip's 
toolbar except for all of your bugs of course....................... just 
kidding about the bugs, the tools are great !!

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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jul 25 15:21:19 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:21:19 -0700
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <216F385F-8DC1-4ADA-A4E6-DB3AED5BF5D9@danshafer.com>
References: <FB0312F8-A2E5-49FF-BE30-3066CAAC8A7E@canelasoftware.com>	<p06200704bf0ae0a5638f@[10.0.1.2]>
	<216F385F-8DC1-4ADA-A4E6-DB3AED5BF5D9@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <42E53BAF.7000008@fourthworld.com>

Dan Shafer wrote:

> On Jul 25, 2005, at 11:36 AM, Timothy Miller wrote:
>> It still seems to me that it just wouldn't be that hard or  expensive 
>> to make it a whole lot better
>
> > Speaking as someone who's written a few words of documentation over  the 
> decades....
> 
> It is a LOT harder and more expensive than you think to make it a  whole 
> lot better.

Maybe there's a third way, at least to edge things forward at minimal cost.

With more than 3,000 pages of content, most of what anyone needs to get 
started is in there somewhere.  It's the "somewhere", the finding of 
things, that seems to be the most common problem.

Better indexing would help, but Search is only part of a complete breakfast.

I wonder to what degree simply changing the taxonomy might help people 
get to what they need without restoring to Search at all?

The Dictionary is straightforward enough, but I can never seem to 
confidently guess whether something is covered under Objects or Topics. 
  For example, there's a topic called "Control Structures" in Objects, 
even though a control structure is not an object.

A revised taxonomy could be done in just a couple days, and whether or 
not it proves a panacea it would certainly be a big step forward.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jul 25 15:26:14 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:26:14 -0700
Subject: [WARN] Inserting Any Plugin in the AltPluginToolbar
In-Reply-To: <1699756248.20050725121242@ahsoftware.net>
References: <p06230903bf0abeeba4e7@[192.168.1.104]>	<42E52523.80908@fourthworld.com>
	<1699756248.20050725121242@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <42E53CD6.3080702@fourthworld.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:
> Richard-
> 
> Monday, July 25, 2005, 10:45:07 AM, you wrote:
> 
> RG> The initial draft of ECMI is available in the Files section of that
> RG> group.  Tools for authors to help set up and manage those properties are
> RG> in development by Eric, Ken, and myself, and should be available before
> RG> the draft is finalized.
> 
> But, as I've pointed out before, keeping the ECMI as a private
> document hardly qualifies it as a "standard". One really shouldn't
> have to join the group to be able to read it.

I agree wholeheartedly.  While we have no control over the requirements 
Yahoo Groups has for file access, as I've written before we will have a 
mirror of the files at revJournal for tools authors who want to review 
them without joining the discussion.

The RIP mirror at revJournal.com should be available as soon as I ship a 
critical app for a client.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From revdan at danshafer.com  Mon Jul 25 15:26:41 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:26:41 -0700
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <323460B9-13F8-4049-B4EB-3FCD433A9277@writeme.com>
References: <FB0312F8-A2E5-49FF-BE30-3066CAAC8A7E@canelasoftware.com>
	<p06200704bf0ae0a5638f@[10.0.1.2]>
	<323460B9-13F8-4049-B4EB-3FCD433A9277@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <86F9CBDA-11CE-4E76-AD10-0209C05A368E@danshafer.com>

Back in early 2002, Geoff Canyon (who hasn't been seen around these  
parts in a while) started a Rev Docs Wiki. He exported all the docs  
to an XML format as I recall and populated the Wiki with them as  
starting points. It was met with a resounding thud.

I'm sending Geoff a note to see if he's still got the original stuff  
around (the site is dead) and whether he'd be willing to share that  
as a starting point. I would be happy to step up to the plate and get  
something like this kick-started and at least help lead the effort. I  
can supply a hosting place for it. But I'm not sure this is an idea  
whose time has yet come. Would it get lots of use and update? WOuld  
RR support it in some meaningful ways?


On Jul 25, 2005, at 11:59 AM, Dennis Brown wrote:

> Tim,
>
> I have also posted in the past about the Docs merits and shortfalls  
> and also suggested a wiki like you did.  A wiki would be great for  
> fleshing out the docs in depth.


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http://www.shafermedia.com
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From keith at vortex.co.uk  Mon Jul 25 15:35:08 2005
From: keith at vortex.co.uk (keith)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:35:08 +0100
Subject: array info request (was: Re: Rant Re Rev Documentation)
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445FB@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445FB@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <p0623091ebf0aecba4885@[10.0.0.17]>

Sometime around 25/7/05 (at 13:40 -0400) Lynch, Jonathan said:

>Custom properties and custom property sets should have 1-word names.
>
>Somewhere in the docs it says otherwise, but having a space in the name
>of a custom property caused me trouble at one point, which was fixed
>when I made sure it just had a single-word name.

That's no problem, I name properties in that way out of habit, and I 
have one eye on using MySQL at some point in the future. Sticking to 
single-word names is one of the basics for working with MySQL. (So 
basic that even *I* know about it! ;-)


>The internal order in which keys are stored in a custom prop is not
>sorted alphabetically

Oh boy...


>so, if you need to search in order, you might be
>better off doing something like this:
>
>Set the custompropertyset of me to "scheduledItems"
>Put the customkeys of me into tKeys
>Sort tKeys
>Repeat for each line L in tKeys
>   If the scheduleditems[L] of me contains "my search string" then
>     Do whatever it needs to do
>   End if
>End repeat

I'll experiment. Thanks very much for this heads-up, it could well 
have prevented me from nose-diving into the weeds! Any other comments 
will be extremely welcome if anyone has the time and energy to add 
'em.

k


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Mon Jul 25 15:38:11 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:38:11 +0200
Subject: [WARN] Inserting Any Plugin in the AltPluginToolbar
In-Reply-To: <42E52523.80908@fourthworld.com>
References: <p06230903bf0abeeba4e7@[192.168.1.104]>
	<42E52523.80908@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <06AED603-D787-4514-BBF3-DC652871DFAE@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Richard and Stephen,

I agree Stephen wishes: a fully interoperability between all tools.
I agree Richard meaningful remarks.
I work with all for that happens...
Just wait a moment...
It's a hard work... which combines specs, psychology and a perceptive  
crystal ball :-)

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

Le 25 juil. 05 ? 19:45, Richard Gaskin a ?crit :

> Stephen Barncard wrote:
>
>> Why not make your plugs compatible with Chipp's Alt Bar, since you  
>> don't have a 'bar' of your own?
>>
> ...
>
>> There really is no 'architecture'. they're still just plugins.
>>
>
> Yet they require modification to work there.
>
> And that would be the case with devolution too, if you wanted them  
> automatically updated.  And with any other toolkit out there which  
> could provide support for other people's tools.
>
> Interoperability between plugins can be very valuable, but it would  
> be combersome for me to require that others add properties and  
> objects just to work with mine, and then to add similar but  
> differently-named properties to work with Chipp's, and similar but  
> differently-named properties to work with Eric's, and so on with  
> every new toolkit that comes along.
>
> Could there be a single set of conventions which could be used by  
> all plugin authors to allow interoperability among all toolkits?
>
> That's the central question of the Rev Interoperability Group:
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revInterop/>
>
> As announced in Malta last year and explained in greater detail at  
> RevCon West last month, RIP is an open working group for arriving  
> at common solutions for things most of us are doing but had been  
> doing differently from one another.  Everything the group  
> recommends is inherently optional and extensible, so one can adopt  
> them or not to the degree that they want their tools and toolkits  
> to work well with those from other authors and still provide any  
> additional functionality unique to their toolkit with no penalty.
>
> The first deliverable from the RIP working group is the Edinburgh  
> Core Metadata Initiative (ECMI).  Modelled largely on the popular  
> Dublin Core Metadata Initiative (but with a geographic reference to  
> our friends at RunRev <g>), ECMI provides a set of conventions fort  
> custom properties which support a wide range of common tool and  
> project management tasks, including version control, automated  
> updating, and more.
>
> Chipp has made contributions to the group, and Eric, Ken, Paul,  
> myself, and others are in the process of updating our tools to use  
> these conventions.
>
> The initial draft of ECMI is available in the Files section of that  
> group.  Tools for authors to help set up and manage those  
> properties are in development by Eric, Ken, and myself, and should  
> be available before the draft is finalized.
>
> The group is open to participation by anyone who has an interest in  
> making Rev tools for others.  Feel free to join in the discussion  
> there.
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal


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From see3d at writeme.com  Mon Jul 25 15:38:41 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:38:41 -0400
Subject: array info request (new thread)
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445FE@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445FE@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <FEF03C42-B72A-4361-AE68-C37FB474BED4@writeme.com>

Jonathan,

I can see why I have not had a problem.
I only set the customPropertySet in order to create a set or play  
with the keys.
I always set it back to empty immediately after (default)
Then I access the custom property only using array notation mySet 
["this and that words"]
I continue to access normal single custom properties as if no sets  
exist.

Using this method, I can keep everything straight in my mind,  
otherwise it can get confusing.

However, it seems to me that what you did should have worked.  Did  
you BZ this?

Dennis

On Jul 25, 2005, at 3:07 PM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:

> I just tested this again, and the same problem shows up...
>
> Try clicking a button with this script:
>
> On mouseup
>   Set the custompropertyset of this stack to "my Set"
>   Set the myProp of this stack to "hello"
> End mouseup
>
> Then go look at the custom properties of the stack. When I do this, I
> have a custom property named "myProp" listed under the custom property
> set named "my set" - but I also have a custom property named myProp
> listed under the default custom property set. The first time I  
> click the
> button, "hello" is put in the myProp in the default set, and then the
> second time I click the button, "hello" is put in myProp in "my set".
>
> Weird stuff, but it goes away if the custompropertyset just has a
> one-word name.
>
> Besides, you need a one-word name if you are going to access it with
> array notation: put mySet["myProp"] into field "my field"
>


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jul 25 15:39:43 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:39:43 -0700
Subject: array info request
In-Reply-To: <p0623091ebf0aecba4885@[10.0.0.17]>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445FB@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
	<p0623091ebf0aecba4885@[10.0.0.17]>
Message-ID: <42E53FFF.7090604@fourthworld.com>

keith wrote:
>> The internal order in which keys are stored in a custom prop is not
>> sorted alphabetically
>
> Oh boy...

It's often not so bad. Associative arrays are often addressed by the key 
name, so sequential order wouldn't affect that one way or another.

If you need sequential access you can use numeric keys.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Jul 25 15:55:12 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:55:12 -0700
Subject: ECMI
In-Reply-To: <42E53CD6.3080702@fourthworld.com>
References: <p06230903bf0abeeba4e7@[192.168.1.104]>
	<42E52523.80908@fourthworld.com>
	<1699756248.20050725121242@ahsoftware.net>
	<42E53CD6.3080702@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <7012306025.20050725125512@ahsoftware.net>

Richard-

Monday, July 25, 2005, 12:26:14 PM, you wrote:

RG> I agree wholeheartedly.  While we have no control over the requirements
RG> Yahoo Groups has for file access, as I've written before we will have a

That's interesting. In the past Yahoo allowed this control to the list
owner. Has that changed?

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From revolution at derbrill.de  Mon Jul 25 15:53:38 2005
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:53:38 +0200
Subject: Rev CGI argumets for ISP
In-Reply-To: <20050725182640.96204824D92@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <CB3C6FDD-FD45-11D9-A23A-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>

Thanks for your replies. That is a good starting point. What I am 
exactly after is some kind of pros and cons list that goes into detail 
on stability and security. Maybe some ISPs experiences things that went 
good or wrong. Perhaps a list with succesfull uses of revCGI.


Jaque wrote:

 >The good part is that you don't have to know ahead of time. The CGI
 >script will error and then you check the error log. The missing
 >libraries will be listed there, so all you have to do is holler at the
 >ISP and tell them to get those installed.

This is interesting. Where is the error log stored? Will I have access 
to it? Or is it something only the ISP will see.

Thanks,

Malte

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From dave at realsoftware.com  Mon Jul 25 15:55:08 2005
From: dave at realsoftware.com (David Grogono)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:55:08 -0500
Subject: Why choose Revolution
In-Reply-To: <20050723200253.EE125824DB7@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050723200253.EE125824DB7@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <42A3009F-8359-4A39-855F-4661C8EB7F83@realsoftware.com>

On Jul 23, 2005, at 3:02 PM, Dan Shafer <revdan at danshafer.com> wrote:

> First, understand my comments about RealBASIC apply to Version 5.5. I
> have not looked at RB2005. I spent a fair amount of time looking at
> RB vs. Rev before I made the commitment to Rev about two years ago  
> now.
>
> That said, I believe you'll find creating Windows apps on OS X much
> easier and more direct with Rev than with RB. Rev's IDE runs on
> Windows so you can, with the right license, debug, test and fix your
> apps directly on Windows. Last time I looked, RB lets you *deploy* an
> app on Windows but if it breaks, you have to go back to the Mac to
> fix it and then re-deploy it. My guess is that would become tiresome
> and inefficient in a real hurry.

Hi Dan -

Since version 5.1 (April 2003), REALbasic has provided a Windows  
version of the IDE.  REALbasic also offers remote debugging which  
allows one to easily test and/or debug a project on another platform  
without the hassle of moving the source code.

>> - I suppose that maturity is not a problem for Mac, but what about
>> Windows and Linux?
>
> See earlier comments re windows. Linux is farther along on Rev than
> on RB by quite a but but frankly neither tool does all that good a
> job there from what my limited testing and listening to this list
> reveals.

If Linux support is important to Jose then he should evaluate the  
latest version of both products.

Best regards, David
--
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REALbasic Product Manager
dave at realsoftware.com
www.realsoftware.com




From keith at vortex.co.uk  Mon Jul 25 16:15:38 2005
From: keith at vortex.co.uk (keith)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:15:38 +0100
Subject: array info request
In-Reply-To: <42E53FFF.7090604@fourthworld.com>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445FB@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
	<p0623091ebf0aecba4885@[10.0.0.17]> <42E53FFF.7090604@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <p0623091fbf0af41e040d@[10.0.0.17]>

>>>The internal order in which keys are stored in a custom prop is not
>>>sorted alphabetically

>>Oh boy...

>It's often not so bad. Associative arrays are often addressed by the 
>key name, so sequential order wouldn't affect that one way or 
>another.
>
>If you need sequential access you can use numeric keys.

Ermm... :-)

Okay, in my state of blissful ignorance I had assumed that arrays 
were effectively arranged in a spreadsheet-like manner. The array 
name is the spreadsheet (in this way of thinking), the keys are like 
a set of column headings, and the elements are the bits of data in 
each cell. I hope I'm not too off-target here! <g>
Anyway, an example of data in this layout, assuming it isn't just bonkers:

Record   Title   ISBN   Author   Editor  Comments
1        ABC	 123	Tim	 Tom     Lots of blahblah...
2        House   345    Mick     Mark    Different blahblah...

Can I extract every record number and title in order to search for 
just titles? (I'm imagining that I'd need to know which record ID a 
found item was in to be able to pull the full record.)


The rough idea in my head right now is to store the data in an array 
in a project:

* People read it, showing one record at a time by either clicking 
through sequentially or by searching for specific things. The 
elements from that record are retrieved from the array and put into 
the right fields as each record is shown.

* If someone wants to edit a record a flag is set in its part of the 
array so others can't do the same to that record. When editing is 
done, the different fields are written back to their respective 
elements in the array.

* New records are made by writing new 'lines' in the array. They are 
then available for others to come across as they browse the data 
collection.

In the opinion of those that have tried this sort of thing and/or 
worked with arrays, is this a moderately sensible approach?

the ever-learning k
(who's wife is waiting for a magic solution to the problem. Doh! :-)


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Mon Jul 25 16:22:04 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:22:04 +0200
Subject: how to set the size of the card smaller than the size of the
	stack
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760985@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760985@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <F5765971-5144-4309-A6C4-E91FD953E1D8@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Ban,

You might be interested in "Managing card dimensions", a simple  
tutorial available trough Tutorials Picker.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

PS. Tutorials Picker can be downloaded from my website below.

Le 25 juil. 05 ? 20:38, Ban Nguyen a ?crit :

> Does anyone know how to set the size of the card smaller than the size
> of the stack. When I create a new card in a stack, the card is the  
> same
> size as the stack.  I want its size smaller

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From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Mon Jul 25 16:23:30 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:23:30 -0400
Subject: array info request
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445FF@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

In my opinion, the easiest way to do what you want is to have a separate
customproperty set for each column.
You can access the records as:

Record[1], title[1], ISBN[1] etc...

You can also do something like:

myRecords[Record,1] 
myRecords[title,1]
etc...

if you want to think of it as a multidimensional array. I just think the
first method winds up being easier, quicker, and less confusing.



-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of keith
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 4:16 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: array info request

>>>The internal order in which keys are stored in a custom prop is not
>>>sorted alphabetically

>>Oh boy...

>It's often not so bad. Associative arrays are often addressed by the 
>key name, so sequential order wouldn't affect that one way or 
>another.
>
>If you need sequential access you can use numeric keys.

Ermm... :-)

Okay, in my state of blissful ignorance I had assumed that arrays 
were effectively arranged in a spreadsheet-like manner. The array 
name is the spreadsheet (in this way of thinking), the keys are like 
a set of column headings, and the elements are the bits of data in 
each cell. I hope I'm not too off-target here! <g>
Anyway, an example of data in this layout, assuming it isn't just
bonkers:

Record   Title   ISBN   Author   Editor  Comments
1        ABC	 123	Tim	 Tom     Lots of blahblah...
2        House   345    Mick     Mark    Different blahblah...

Can I extract every record number and title in order to search for 
just titles? (I'm imagining that I'd need to know which record ID a 
found item was in to be able to pull the full record.)


The rough idea in my head right now is to store the data in an array 
in a project:

* People read it, showing one record at a time by either clicking 
through sequentially or by searching for specific things. The 
elements from that record are retrieved from the array and put into 
the right fields as each record is shown.

* If someone wants to edit a record a flag is set in its part of the 
array so others can't do the same to that record. When editing is 
done, the different fields are written back to their respective 
elements in the array.

* New records are made by writing new 'lines' in the array. They are 
then available for others to come across as they browse the data 
collection.

In the opinion of those that have tried this sort of thing and/or 
worked with arrays, is this a moderately sensible approach?

the ever-learning k
(who's wife is waiting for a magic solution to the problem. Doh! :-)
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From wlists at fireworksmm.com  Mon Jul 25 16:29:34 2005
From: wlists at fireworksmm.com (Wally Rodriguez)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:29:34 -0400
Subject: Rev CGI argumets for ISP
In-Reply-To: <5B7D86EE-FBC0-11D9-94EE-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>
References: <5B7D86EE-FBC0-11D9-94EE-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <DF54AF0F-C9D5-42F2-92B0-E80A6E4E3092@fireworksmm.com>

Could someone point me in the direction of these getting started  
pages? I've been working on a project that will require CGI's and rev  
might just be the easiest way for me to get this done.

Thanks!!

On Jul 23, 2005, at 5:25 PM, Malte Brill wrote:

> Hi list,
>
> I?ve talked to my ISP if it was possible to use rev CGI on their  
> servers. They are potentially interested to allow it, but need more  
> technical details on stability, security, etc. . So if there is  
> some kind of FAQ on Rev CGIs somewhere or some articles (besides  
> the excellent getting started pages by Jaque) I would be glad if  
> you let me know.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Malte
>



From revdan at danshafer.com  Mon Jul 25 16:34:00 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:34:00 -0700
Subject: Why choose Revolution
In-Reply-To: <42A3009F-8359-4A39-855F-4661C8EB7F83@realsoftware.com>
References: <20050723200253.EE125824DB7@mail.runrev.com>
	<42A3009F-8359-4A39-855F-4661C8EB7F83@realsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <66C21550-AC78-4AE9-A97B-969CF937786F@danshafer.com>

Hey, David....

Thanks for jumping in with the correction. Sorry I misstated the case  
vis a vis Windows platform debugging and deployment.

Dan

On Jul 25, 2005, at 12:55 PM, David Grogono wrote:

> On Jul 23, 2005, at 3:02 PM, Dan Shafer <revdan at danshafer.com> wrote:
>
>
>> First, understand my comments about RealBASIC apply to Version 5.5. I
>> have not looked at RB2005. I spent a fair amount of time looking at
>> RB vs. Rev before I made the commitment to Rev about two years ago  
>> now.
>>
>> That said, I believe you'll find creating Windows apps on OS X much
>> easier and more direct with Rev than with RB. Rev's IDE runs on
>> Windows so you can, with the right license, debug, test and fix your
>> apps directly on Windows. Last time I looked, RB lets you *deploy* an
>> app on Windows but if it breaks, you have to go back to the Mac to
>> fix it and then re-deploy it. My guess is that would become tiresome
>> and inefficient in a real hurry.
>>
>
> Hi Dan -
>
> Since version 5.1 (April 2003), REALbasic has provided a Windows  
> version of the IDE.  REALbasic also offers remote debugging which  
> allows one to easily test and/or debug a project on another  
> platform without the hassle of moving the source code.
>
>
>>> - I suppose that maturity is not a problem for Mac, but what about
>>> Windows and Linux?
>>>
>>
>> See earlier comments re windows. Linux is farther along on Rev than
>> on RB by quite a but but frankly neither tool does all that good a
>> job there from what my limited testing and listening to this list
>> reveals.
>>
>
> If Linux support is important to Jose then he should evaluate the  
> latest version of both products.
>
> Best regards, David
> --
> David Grogono
> REALbasic Product Manager
> dave at realsoftware.com
> www.realsoftware.com
>
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From bann at sunncomm.com  Mon Jul 25 16:42:22 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:42:22 -0700
Subject: cannot import a MS word file into field
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E5AD@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>

Hello everyone,

I have a document MS word 

The document has text and several images.  How can I import this doc
into the field?

I used the property inspector but it did not work

Thank you






From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jul 25 16:46:11 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:46:11 -0700
Subject: ECMI
In-Reply-To: <7012306025.20050725125512@ahsoftware.net>
References: <p06230903bf0abeeba4e7@[192.168.1.104]>	<42E52523.80908@fourthworld.com>	<1699756248.20050725121242@ahsoftware.net>	<42E53CD6.3080702@fourthworld.com>
	<7012306025.20050725125512@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <42E54F93.8040001@fourthworld.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:
> Richard-
> 
> Monday, July 25, 2005, 12:26:14 PM, you wrote:
> 
> RG> I agree wholeheartedly.  While we have no control over the requirements
> RG> Yahoo Groups has for file access, as I've written before we will have a
> 
> That's interesting. In the past Yahoo allowed this control to the list
> owner. Has that changed?

I don't know.  I don't recall having seen anything different, but I've 
only been managing groups at Yahoo for a few years, since the 
acquisition from eGroups.  I don't recall what the eGroups options were.

These are the options Yahoo provides me:
   - Members (upload/modify/download files) <- current setting
   - Limited (members can download files;
      moderators can upload/modify/download files)
   - Moderators only (upload/modify/download files)
   - Off (no one can access the Files feature)

These appear to be the same for all of the Yahoo Groups I have admin 
access for.

Which Yahoo Groups have you managed which allow another option?

--
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  _______________________________________________________
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jul 25 17:23:24 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:23:24 -0700
Subject: Rant Re Rev Documentation
In-Reply-To: <BF0A0BBD.1FAF9%todd@geistinteractive.com>
References: <BF0A0BBD.1FAF9%todd@geistinteractive.com>
Message-ID: <42E5584C.1030000@fourthworld.com>

Hello Todd -

Well said , copied in its entirely below as I feel it's worth a second read.

In addition to all of the good points you mention, a focus on pros makes 
both tools more desirable.  But the reverse is not true, and often 
results in the opposite effect of having each less desirable to both camps.

This is not to suggest that RunRev abandon the "inventive user" at all, 
but rather to simply have some follow-through on the product line 
differentiation started with renaming Revolution Express as DreamCard.

Today the hobbyist tool and the pro tool are essentially the same, the 
differences not being readily apparent until you dig deeper under the 
hood; simply booting them makes them appear identical.

For the hobbyists there is the lack of guidance that HyperCard provided 
with its Home stack and wealth of prefab parts.

For the pro there is the risk of confusing the two and not knowing why 
the tool is so limited.  Indeed one reviewer has already made that 
mistake, and I can't put the blame wholly on the reviewer for 
downloading the wrong version of two identical products.

Hobbyists may respond more to ease of use, but everyone wants 
professional results.

The first-run experience should reflect this, so that booting DreamCard 
leaves you with a feeling of "friendly", and booting Rev leaves you with 
a feeling of "studly" (or "powerful", or "professional" or whatever less 
sexist terms appeals). :)

By making DreamCard more well suited for its intended audience, 
splitting the web site into two more distinct branches to reinforce this 
difference, and putting a lot more discussion of professional results in 
the Revolution pages, the company can position the Pro product for what 
it is, allowing it to sell itself and sell DreamCard more effectively.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev


Todd Geist wrote:
> It was me who made this statement at RevCon so let me elaborate and chime in
> On 7/25/05 12:30 AM, "Chipp Walters" <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>I believe someone at the RevCon West conference stood up and said what
>>was really needed was a sort of 'application framework guide.' A
>>book/website/wiki/whatever which explained step-by-step how to go about
>>building basic programs. I agree. on what others have said...
> 
> 
> Like many others here have pointed out there are two potential markets for
> Rev to grow into.  The inventive user and the professional developer.  Very
> Very Very different markets. I make my living as a FileMaker developer so I
> understand this schism well and I for one would rather see more "pros"
> climbing on board.  They add more skill to to the community and they don't
> drive down prices and they don't give the tool a bad name in IT departments.
> 
> I know that may offend some people out there.  I am sorry, but realize that
> this actually occurs. A lot of IT guys blame the tool not the guy who used
> it incorrectly.  I for one have lost work because of it.
> 
> Anyway I was pushing for more help for the pro who is looking at Rev.  The
> pro knows that completing a successful project is as much about deployment,
> support, version control and upgrades as it is about whatever task the tool
> is being built for.  A pro also knows that almost every application must do
> a few things like deal with user preferences and data storage etc.
> 
> Too me this "application architecture" or  "application framework" is as
> important to me as the little technical bits that are covered in the docs,
> maybe more so.  Because once I get this I can set about building whatever it
> is I need to build, learning all the little pieces as I go.When I am done
> hopefully I will have something resembling an application that can be
> maintained extended and supported.  NOT a cobbled together plate of
> spaghetti code that is close to imploding under it's own in efficiencies.
> 
> This Application Architecture is what I had a hard time digging up when I
> started looking at Rev. It was clearly a powerful tool but I didn't the
> first thing about producing something of value with it.  I had to go RevCon
> to begin to figure this out.  It was well worth it but I don't live that far
> a way so I could drive.
> 
> I think a half dozen examples representing the most common Commercial
> Applications Models (apps that are bringing in the most money for the most
> people) would go along way towards bring in new professional talent into the
> Revolution.
> 
> Then I could say, "OK I need to build a multi-user database app So let me
> start with the "multi-user database example and go from there". Or "my
> client needs an internet app with a rich interface, so let me start with the
> internet app example"
> 
> You want to see any product take off, teach people how they can make, ACTUAL
> REAL CASH using it!
> 
> Goodnight all. Thanks for listening!
> 
> Todd


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Mon Jul 25 17:24:16 2005
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:24:16 -0700
Subject: array info request (new thread)
In-Reply-To: <D2896A23-FA16-4377-8B43-7A0CDECCAFF6@writeme.com>
References: <1BDEC1C1-547E-4383-B4ED-F40C6EA8E2A1@writeme.com>
	<D2896A23-FA16-4377-8B43-7A0CDECCAFF6@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <p06230909bf0b08582d96@[192.168.1.104]>

I've found it's better to have one-word names for EVERYTHING as a 
general rule and use underscores and dashes to separate words. I do 
it by habit now.

>Jonathan,
>
>This is interesting about the 1-word names.  I have been using 
>multiword names without any problems.
>
>Dennis
>
>>
>>Somewhere in the docs it says otherwise, but having a space in the name
>>of a custom property caused me trouble at one point, which was fixed
>>when I made sure it just had a single-word name.


From jhurley at infostations.com  Mon Jul 25 17:25:48 2005
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:25:48 -0700
Subject: Turtle Graphics
In-Reply-To: <20050725182640.64986824D90@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050725182640.64986824D90@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p06200705bf0b0637d0a8@[69.19.167.129]>

>
>Message: 2
>Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:13:02 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Alejandro Tejada <capellan2000 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Turtle Graphics
>To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>Message-ID: <20050725171302.70713.qmail at web40521.mail.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>Hi Jim,
>
>Could you make an option to draw the Turtle Graphics
>with vectors graphics, not only bitmaps?
>
>In this way, they could be exported and edited
>in vector drawing applications like Flash,
>FreeHand, Ilustrator, etc.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>al
>
>on Mon, 25 Jul 2005
>Jim Hurley wrote:
>
>>I have in mind is illustrated in the following
>>Turtle Graphics "home stack":
>
>>go stack url
>>"http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/TurtleGraphics.rev"
>
>>  After you have punched all the buttons you should
>>  know whether TG, as an addendum to Transcript, would
>
>  > be of any use to you.
>

Al,

I have several flavors of TG. Only the above cited TurtleGraphics.rev 
is bit map; the rest are all vector based.

And are all grist for you splendid "Export-to-Illustrator" stack.

See my web site: http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/

Or just

	go stack url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/StopTurtles.rev"

(The StopTurtles illustrates a Jack-in-the-box example that, I claim, 
can't be done without TG or the equivalent tools.)

or

	go stack url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/TellTurtles.rev"

(Illustrates how to draw a clock face and start it running.)

or
	go stack url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/ControlTurtles.rev"

(Illustrates how to make any control receptive to the TG vocabulary.)

These are all vector based. My web site discusses the various uses.



Jim


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jul 25 17:26:14 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:26:14 -0700
Subject: array info request (new thread)
In-Reply-To: <p06230909bf0b08582d96@[192.168.1.104]>
References: <1BDEC1C1-547E-4383-B4ED-F40C6EA8E2A1@writeme.com>	<D2896A23-FA16-4377-8B43-7A0CDECCAFF6@writeme.com>
	<p06230909bf0b08582d96@[192.168.1.104]>
Message-ID: <42E558F6.5010601@fourthworld.com>

Stephen Barncard wrote:
> I've found it's better to have one-word names for EVERYTHING as a 
> general rule and use underscores and dashes to separate words. I do it 

Generally good advice, and easy to follow since Rev provides a label 
property for most objects in addition to its name.

Extra bonus points:  one-word names make it easy to copy with just a 
double-click. :)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev


From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Mon Jul 25 17:25:58 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:25:58 -0400
Subject: array info request (new thread)
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A99680F2@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

Dashes are dangerous too...

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Stephen
Barncard
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 5:24 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: array info request (new thread)

I've found it's better to have one-word names for EVERYTHING as a 
general rule and use underscores and dashes to separate words. I do 
it by habit now.

>Jonathan,
>
>This is interesting about the 1-word names.  I have been using 
>multiword names without any problems.
>
>Dennis
>
>>
>>Somewhere in the docs it says otherwise, but having a space in the
name
>>of a custom property caused me trouble at one point, which was fixed
>>when I made sure it just had a single-word name.
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From bann at sunncomm.com  Mon Jul 25 17:33:40 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:33:40 -0700
Subject: revPrintField problem
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760987@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>

Hello everyone,


I am having a problem with revPrintField

Here is the problem:
I create a stack
On the card, I create a text field (has a many lines of text), 5 images,
then I group them and make scroll bar so user can scroll up and down to
see the text and images (name the group as "myField")

Then on the same card, I create a button called "print" and put this
code into the print button:

on mouseUp
  revPrintField the name of field "myField"
end mouseUp

This is the error I got when I click on "print":

     	executing at 2:32:48 PM
Type	Chunk: no such object
Object	Button
Line	revPrintField the name of field "myField"
Hint	myField




Has anyone went throught this situation?  Please help






From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Jul 25 17:37:16 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:37:16 -0500
Subject: [WARN] Inserting Any Plugin in the AltPluginToolbar
In-Reply-To: <C18B62D0-6832-4C56-A22B-6D2444978E01@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <C18B62D0-6832-4C56-A22B-6D2444978E01@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <42E55B8C.4010301@chipp.com>

Hi Eric,

Why don't you ping me offline and let me know what issues you are 
having. Even Constellation, Daniels & Mara's rewrite of an object 
browser and script editor, with all it's goings on, are altPlugin 
compatible, so I'd like to understand what you may be doing to create 
'incompatibility' and perhaps offer a solution.

Basically, all altPluginToolbar does, is just 'launch stacks.' Think of 
it as a stack launcher.

best,

Chipp

Eric Chatonet wrote:

> At first, I did not realised what it could mean...
> To be inserted in the (great :-) AltPluginToolbar, other plugins have  
> to be compliant with Chipp's architecture.
> Plugins from So Smart Software were not designed to be compliant with  
> Chipp's architecture.
> So, I just want to warn anybody that such an idea (interesting at  first 
> sight) can lead to many unexpected issues.



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Mon Jul 25 17:38:56 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 23:38:56 +0200
Subject: array info request (new thread)
In-Reply-To: <p06230909bf0b08582d96@[192.168.1.104]>
References: <1BDEC1C1-547E-4383-B4ED-F40C6EA8E2A1@writeme.com>
	<D2896A23-FA16-4377-8B43-7A0CDECCAFF6@writeme.com>
	<p06230909bf0b08582d96@[192.168.1.104]>
Message-ID: <A452D2C2-031C-412E-A2CB-F5ABE1B15D34@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Stepen,

Le 25 juil. 05 ? 23:24, Stephen Barncard a ?crit :

> I've found it's better to have one-word names for EVERYTHING as a  
> general rule and use underscores and dashes to separate words. I do  
> it by habit now.

You are a good developer who always makes his work easier each day :-)
Richard is right about double-click: it's the reason why I don't use  
underscores and dashes either...
I prefer capitalise to make sense: ListCleanUp, DeleteUrl, etc.
I should not say that... but, most of the time, 1-word names do not  
need to be quoted (multi-words have always to ;-)
Bad and lazy habit anyway... that I don't use.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jul 25 17:39:35 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:39:35 -0700
Subject: Why choose Revolution
In-Reply-To: <20050724114409.60FB.JVALLE@1234web.net>
References: <20050723212634.60E8.JVALLE@1234web.net>	<42E2AB9C.6050604@fourthworld.com>
	<20050724114409.60FB.JVALLE@1234web.net>
Message-ID: <42E55C17.8070302@fourthworld.com>

Hello Jose -
> Richard, thanks for your help.
> 
> Another question related to your article "Extending Message Path".
> 
> You talk about Script Limits, could these limits be changed? and if is
> not possible, what it means in terms of the application size/complexity?

As has been written before, the script limits affect only the number of 
scripts that can be inserted into the message path dynamically at 
runtime; in a licensed development environment no such limits apply, so 
you can have tools galore that use front- and backscripts as needed 
without penalty.

At runtime, you can have only 10 backscripts (and unfortunately Rev's 
full set of libraries currently occupy up to 8 of them, though I hope 
those will be concatenated in to a single backscript in the future; this 
was once a Bugzilla request that would take less than a day to 
implement, but I can find it now).

But you can have 50 libraries, which for your needs are probably at 
least as useful and Rev takes none of those slots at runtime.  As 
separate stacks, you can easily divide work up among multiple developers 
using libraries; I've done that a lot with contractors I've worked with, 
and these days most of my apps are driven by collections of reusable 
libraries.

As Jacque pointed out, each script is "limited" to about 4GB; certainly 
plenty to let you do what you need (I pity the fingers that type 4GB of 
code <g>).

And if you have an unusual app that truly needs more library and 
backscript slots (I haven't seen one yet but I suppose it's possible), 
Kevin at RunRev can negotiate a unique license for your needs on a 
case-by-case basis.

For team development you may also want to check out Chipp Walters' nifty
Magic Carpet, a tool to help manage check-in/check-out for stacks in 
small to medium teams with archiving, version control, and more, and it 
works on any standard FTP server with no specialized server configuration:
<http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/MagicCarpetCover/default.htm>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 25 17:43:24 2005
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:43:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: revPrintField problem
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760987@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <20050725214324.43777.qmail@web60519.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Ban Nguyen <bann at sunncomm.com> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> 
> 
> I am having a problem with revPrintField
> 
> [snip]
> 
> on mouseUp
>   revPrintField the name of field "myField"
> end mouseUp
> 
> This is the error I got when I click on "print":
> 
>      	executing at 2:32:48 PM
> Type	Chunk: no such object
> Object	Button
> Line	revPrintField the name of field "myField"
> Hint	myField
> 

Hi Ban,

The revPrintField wants a long name or ID:
--
on mouseUp
  revPrintField the long ID of field "MyField"
end mouseUp
--

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam - Tools for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

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From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Jul 25 17:43:16 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:43:16 -0500
Subject: Rant Re Rev Documentation
In-Reply-To: <82AE402F-60BD-419D-95FF-0C0F23317CAB@conncoll.edu>
References: <BF0A567B.D952%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>	<553C870D-6FBA-4C92-BD67-8F5385282E7E@danshafer.com>
	<82AE402F-60BD-419D-95FF-0C0F23317CAB@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <42E55CF4.7040500@chipp.com>

I just 'roll my own' print dialog boxes, which are cross-platform, have 
built in high quality 'Print Preview' and can print selected page 
ranges...so, IMO it's not a too 'glaring bug.'

Dan and I have talked about creating an 'advanced printing ebook' with a 
library which would show how this is done.


-Chipp

Charles Hartman wrote:
> It's not going to make me any more popular, but I have to say that  this 
> seems like an example of the basic problem. It's a pretty  glaring bug 
> -- as someone else pointed out, if you make the print  dialog available, 
> you probably need to pay attention to what it says.  



From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Mon Jul 25 17:45:26 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:45:26 -0400
Subject: Rant Re Rev Documentation
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A99680F4@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

Hi Chipp,

Do you include printer selection in your print dialog? If so, did this
require an external, or using Cscript.exe, or something like that?

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Chipp
Walters
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 5:43 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Rant Re Rev Documentation

I just 'roll my own' print dialog boxes, which are cross-platform, have 
built in high quality 'Print Preview' and can print selected page 
ranges...so, IMO it's not a too 'glaring bug.'

Dan and I have talked about creating an 'advanced printing ebook' with a

library which would show how this is done.


-Chipp

Charles Hartman wrote:
> It's not going to make me any more popular, but I have to say that
this 
> seems like an example of the basic problem. It's a pretty  glaring bug

> -- as someone else pointed out, if you make the print  dialog
available, 
> you probably need to pay attention to what it says.  

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From bann at sunncomm.com  Mon Jul 25 17:48:54 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:48:54 -0700
Subject: revPrintField problem
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E5B0@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>

> Hello everyone,
> 
> 
> I am having a problem with revPrintField
> 
> [snip]
> 
> on mouseUp
>   revPrintField the name of field "myField"
> end mouseUp
> 
> This is the error I got when I click on "print":
> 
>      	executing at 2:32:48 PM
> Type	Chunk: no such object
> Object	Button
> Line	revPrintField the name of field "myField"
> Hint	myField
> 
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi Ban,

The revPrintField wants a long name or ID:
--
on mouseUp
  revPrintField the long ID of field "MyField"
end mouseUp
--

---------------------------------------------------------------------

I changed the field to a long name but still got the same error.  The
field does have an ID, I checked from property inspector



------------------------------------------------------------------------







From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 25 17:50:54 2005
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:50:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: array info request
In-Reply-To: <p0623091fbf0af41e040d@[10.0.0.17]>
Message-ID: <20050725215054.29196.qmail@web60511.mail.yahoo.com>

--- keith <keith at vortex.co.uk> wrote:
> Okay, in my state of blissful ignorance I had
> assumed that arrays 
> were effectively arranged in a spreadsheet-like
> manner. The array 
> name is the spreadsheet (in this way of thinking),
> the keys are like 
> a set of column headings, and the elements are the
> bits of data in 
> each cell. I hope I'm not too off-target here! <g>
> Anyway, an example of data in this layout, assuming
> it isn't just bonkers:
> 
> Record   Title   ISBN   Author   Editor  Comments
> 1        ABC	 123	Tim	 Tom     Lots of blahblah...
> 2        House   345    Mick     Mark    Different
> blahblah...
> 
> Can I extract every record number and title in order
> to search for 
> just titles? (I'm imagining that I'd need to know
> which record ID a 
> found item was in to be able to pull the full
> record.)
> 

You can store your data into an array (or if you want
to sve it more permanently, use a custompropertyset)
and retrieve the data as:
--
  put "ABC" into tBooksArray["1,title"]
  put "123" into tBooksArray["2,ISBN"]
--

Here's a trick to get a list of all the ID's:
--
  put the keys of tBooksArray into tKeys
  ## limit the keys to those that link to "title"
  filter tKeys with "*,title"
  ## now extract the ID's for each title
  repeat for each line tKey in tKeys
    put item 1 of tKey & return after tIDList
  end repeat
  ## now do whatever you want with the ID list
--

> 
> The rough idea in my head right now is to store the
> data in an array 
> in a project:
> 
> * People read it, showing one record at a time by
> either clicking 
> through sequentially or by searching for specific
> things. The 
> elements from that record are retrieved from the
> array and put into 
> the right fields as each record is shown.
> 
> * If someone wants to edit a record a flag is set in
> its part of the 
> array so others can't do the same to that record.
> When editing is 
> done, the different fields are written back to their
> respective 
> elements in the array.
> 
> * New records are made by writing new 'lines' in the
> array. They are 
> then available for others to come across as they
> browse the data 
> collection.
> 
> In the opinion of those that have tried this sort of
> thing and/or 
> worked with arrays, is this a moderately sensible
> approach?
> 
> the ever-learning k
> 

This is a sensible approach, though for storing the
data, I suggest either using custom properties, ro
saving the data into an SQL database.

The latter will definitely help if you want to apply
this in a multi-user situation. Then your editor
stacks can leave the central storage up to the
database.

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam - Tools for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Jul 25 17:52:06 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:52:06 -0500
Subject: [WARN] Inserting Any Plugin in the AltPluginToolbar
In-Reply-To: <1699756248.20050725121242@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <BF0AC936.26286%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 7/25/05 2:12 PM, "Mark Wieder" <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Richard-
> 
> Monday, July 25, 2005, 10:45:07 AM, you wrote:
> 
> RG> The initial draft of ECMI is available in the Files section of that
> RG> group.  Tools for authors to help set up and manage those properties are
> RG> in development by Eric, Ken, and myself, and should be available before
> RG> the draft is finalized.
> 
> But, as I've pointed out before, keeping the ECMI as a private
> document hardly qualifies it as a "standard". One really shouldn't
> have to join the group to be able to read it.

Sorry, Mark, but that is a weak argument, IMHO. It's not a private document
if anyone can access it (which anyone can). And BTW, the purpose of the
group is to help define the specification, which is necessary because it
isn't fully solidified. If you don't want to help solidify the spec, then I
guess you'll have to wait until it is made public.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com




From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 25 17:53:31 2005
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:53:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: revPrintField problem
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E5B0@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <20050725215331.66361.qmail@web60524.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Ban Nguyen <bann at sunncomm.com> wrote:
> > Hello everyone,
> > 
> > 
> > I am having a problem with revPrintField
> > 
> > [snip]
> > 
> > on mouseUp
> >   revPrintField the name of field "myField"
> > end mouseUp
> > 
> > This is the error I got when I click on "print":
> > 
> >      	executing at 2:32:48 PM
> > Type	Chunk: no such object
> > Object	Button
> > Line	revPrintField the name of field "myField"
> > Hint	myField
> > 
>
---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Hi Ban,
> 
> The revPrintField wants a long name or ID:
> --
> on mouseUp
>   revPrintField the long ID of field "MyField"
> end mouseUp
> --
> 
>
---------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> I changed the field to a long name but still got the
> same error.  The
> field does have an ID, I checked from property
> inspector
> 

Bizarre. Does it help if you put parentheses ?
--
on mouseUp
  revPrintField (the long ID of field "MyField")
end mouseUp
--

If that doesn't do it, it may not be able to find this
field -- is it on the same card as the button ?

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam - Tools for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

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From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Mon Jul 25 17:58:22 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:58:22 -0400
Subject: array info request
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9744600@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

>The array 
> name is the spreadsheet (in this way of thinking),
> the keys are like 
> a set of column headings, and the elements are the
> bits of data in 
> each cell.


Actually - the keys of a custom property set are like the elements of an
array

A custom property set can be thought of as the saved version of an
array...

The keys of a custom property set are the custom properties stored in
that custom property set, the little boxes inside the big box - just
like the elements of an array are the little boxes inside the big box of
the array.




From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 25 17:59:56 2005
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:59:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: cannot import a MS word file into field
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E5AD@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <20050725215956.759.qmail@web60512.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Ban Nguyen <bann at sunncomm.com> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I have a document MS word 
> 
> The document has text and several images.  How can I
> import this doc
> into the field?
> 
> I used the property inspector but it did not work
> 
> Thank you
> 

Hi Ban,

While Revolution fields have a solid feature set, they
are not a replacement for MS Word -- you cannot set
the tabstops or alignment of each paragraph
separately, there is no support for tables, etc.

If your Word document doesn't require all that, you
could try saving it as an HTML file, and then setting
the htmlText of a field to the content of this file:
--
on mouseUp
  answer file "Select an HTML file to import"
  if it is empty then exit mouseUp
  set the htmlText of field "HTML" to \
    URL ("file:" & it)
end mouseUp
--

How much information this will carry over, is another
question entirely, but it should get you somewhere.

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam - Tools for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

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From bann at sunncomm.com  Mon Jul 25 18:00:40 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:00:40 -0700
Subject: revPrintField problem
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E5B1@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>


> > Hello everyone,
> > 
> > 
> > I am having a problem with revPrintField
> > 
> > [snip]
> > 
> > on mouseUp
> >   revPrintField the name of field "myField"
> > end mouseUp
> > 
> > This is the error I got when I click on "print":
> > 
> >      	executing at 2:32:48 PM
> > Type	Chunk: no such object
> > Object	Button
> > Line	revPrintField the name of field "myField"
> > Hint	myField
> > 
>
---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Hi Ban,
> 
> The revPrintField wants a long name or ID:
> --
> on mouseUp
>   revPrintField the long ID of field "MyField"
> end mouseUp
> --
> 
>
---------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> I changed the field to a long name but still got the
> same error.  The
> field does have an ID, I checked from property
> inspector
> 

Bizarre. Does it help if you put parentheses ?
--
on mouseUp
  revPrintField (the long ID of field "MyField")
end mouseUp
--

If that doesn't do it, it may not be able to find this
field -- is it on the same card as the button ?

------------------------------------------------------

I did put the () but still got the same error


------------------------------------------------------


From see3d at writeme.com  Mon Jul 25 18:04:18 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:04:18 -0400
Subject: array info request (new thread)
In-Reply-To: <42E558F6.5010601@fourthworld.com>
References: <1BDEC1C1-547E-4383-B4ED-F40C6EA8E2A1@writeme.com>
	<D2896A23-FA16-4377-8B43-7A0CDECCAFF6@writeme.com>
	<p06230909bf0b08582d96@[192.168.1.104]>
	<42E558F6.5010601@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <F8902AAE-6B89-431C-A779-99A8F5370CCC@writeme.com>

I only use multiword names as keys when I want to have a multi- 
dimensional array for a custom property.  In essence I am just  
substituting a space for a comma because it is much easier to read  
the notation:

customPropArray[varX&comma&varY]  vs customPropArray[varX&&varY]

The names are not really names but keys for the array made of  
multiple "names" or "numbers".

In essence I am making up for the lack of multi-dimensional custom  
property arrays with the easiest notation.  I would be happy to use  
an item cat operator like the && word cat operator if we had one -- 
instead of &comma&  or &","&.  Of course it would be better if the  
IDE just created a key for these the same way as the regular arrays  
and internally converted the syntax [x,y] to [x&","&y].  It is a  
mystery to me why they did not do this in the first place.  It seems  
like they go to more work trying to explain why custom property  
arrays can't be used like ordinary arrays than the effort to just  
make them look like they work the same.

Dennis

On Jul 25, 2005, at 5:26 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Stephen Barncard wrote:
>
>> I've found it's better to have one-word names for EVERYTHING as a  
>> general rule and use underscores and dashes to separate words. I  
>> do it
>>
>
> Generally good advice, and easy to follow since Rev provides a  
> label property for most objects in addition to its name.
>
> Extra bonus points:  one-word names make it easy to copy with just  
> a double-click. :)
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation
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From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Jul 25 18:05:07 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:05:07 -0500
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <216F385F-8DC1-4ADA-A4E6-DB3AED5BF5D9@danshafer.com>
References: <FB0312F8-A2E5-49FF-BE30-3066CAAC8A7E@canelasoftware.com>	<p06200704bf0ae0a5638f@[10.0.1.2]>
	<216F385F-8DC1-4ADA-A4E6-DB3AED5BF5D9@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <42E56213.6010603@chipp.com>

Dan Shafer wrote:

> Designing and writing good docs is nearly as hard as designing and  
> writing good software.

I beg to differ! How many software products/code libraries do you know 
of which don't even have documentation. Poor Xavier and his TAOO project 
is a great example, while he has told us some great ideas-- w/out *good* 
documentation, it's really hard to follow... (no disrespect intended, X, 
I still love you;-).

In fact, without good documentation, much software is rendered unusable. 
A case might even be made that without the books authored by the '3 
Dans,' Hypercard may have never been adopted so widely.

best,

Chipp



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Jul 25 18:13:24 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:13:24 -0700
Subject: array info request
In-Reply-To: <p0623091fbf0af41e040d@[10\.0\.0\.17]>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445FB@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
	<p0623091ebf0aecba4885@[10.0.0.17]> <42E53FFF.7090604@fourthworld.com>
	<p0623091fbf0af41e040d@[10.0.0.17]>
Message-ID: <8220598509.20050725151324@ahsoftware.net>

keith-

Monday, July 25, 2005, 1:15:38 PM, you wrote:

k> Ermm... :-)

k> Okay, in my state of blissful ignorance I had assumed that arrays 
k> were effectively arranged in a spreadsheet-like manner. The array 
k> name is the spreadsheet (in this way of thinking), the keys are like
k> a set of column headings, and the elements are the bits of data in 
k> each cell. I hope I'm not too off-target here! <g>
k> Anyway, an example of data in this layout, assuming it isn't just bonkers:

k> Record   Title   ISBN   Author   Editor  Comments
k> 1        ABC     123    Tim      Tom     Lots of blahblah...
k> 2        House   345    Mick     Mark    Different blahblah...

k> Can I extract every record number and title in order to search for 
k> just titles? (I'm imagining that I'd need to know which record ID a
k> found item was in to be able to pull the full record.)

Here's an example of one way to do this - there are other ways as
well. Do you actually need a Record number, or is just a holdover from
spreadsheet-thinking? Here I'm using the ISBN as the index, assuming
that it's unique for each record. (untested)

local tISBN, tKeys, tBooks
-- do something like this for each record
put 123 into tISBN
put "ABC" into tBooks[tISBN,"title"]
put "Tim" into tBooks[tISBN,"author"]
put "Tom" into tBooks[tISBN,"editor"]
put "Lots of blahblah" into tBooks[tISBN,"comments"]

-- now to find a title in the array:
-- the title to search for is in strSearchString
put empty into tFoundTitle
put the keys of tBooks into tKeys
-- now you have a list of the array indices
-- you're only interested in titles right now
filter tKeys with "*title"
repeat for each line tLine in tKeys
  if strSearchString is in tBooks[tLine] then
    -- item 1 of the index is the ISBN
    put item 1 of tLine into tFoundTitle
    exit repeat
  end if
end repeat
-- now tFoundTitle contains the found ISBN or is empty.

k> The rough idea in my head right now is to store the data in an array
k> in a project:

You're bordering *very* close to where you'd be better off using a
database than trying to store things in arrays.

Keep in mind that arrays are temporary. If you need persistent storage
and you're not using a database then you'll need to store the arrays
in custom variables in a substack:

set the books of mySubStack to tBooks

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jul 25 18:16:53 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:16:53 -0500
Subject: Rev CGI argumets for ISP
In-Reply-To: <CB3C6FDD-FD45-11D9-A23A-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>
References: <CB3C6FDD-FD45-11D9-A23A-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <42E564D5.9060802@hyperactivesw.com>

Malte Brill wrote:
> Thanks for your replies. That is a good starting point. What I am 
> exactly after is some kind of pros and cons list that goes into detail 
> on stability and security. Maybe some ISPs experiences things that went 
> good or wrong. Perhaps a list with succesfull uses of revCGI.

In a discussion about this a few years ago, Scott Raney said that he 
couldn't think of any insecurities with CGIs that were innate to the 
engine. There aren't any loopholes per se; the problems would be only in 
your scripts. Your CGI scripts should not parse parameters 
indisciminately -- instead, they need to check that params are correct 
and only act if that is the case. In other words, your scripts might 
allow indiscriminate access, but the engine doesn't.

> Jaque wrote:
> 
>  >The good part is that you don't have to know ahead of time. The CGI
>  >script will error and then you check the error log. The missing
>  >libraries will be listed there, so all you have to do is holler at the
>  >ISP and tell them to get those installed.
> 
> This is interesting. Where is the error log stored? Will I have access 
> to it? Or is it something only the ISP will see.

It depends on your ISP, but every one I've ever had gave me access to 
the error log. My ISP has an entry in my control panel online where I 
can see it. You'll have to ask where your provider keeps it, but I am 
fairly sure you can have access. It is a normal part of debugging a web 
site.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jul 25 18:17:47 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:17:47 -0500
Subject: Rev CGI argumets for ISP
In-Reply-To: <DF54AF0F-C9D5-42F2-92B0-E80A6E4E3092@fireworksmm.com>
References: <5B7D86EE-FBC0-11D9-94EE-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>
	<DF54AF0F-C9D5-42F2-92B0-E80A6E4E3092@fireworksmm.com>
Message-ID: <42E5650B.2070502@hyperactivesw.com>

Wally Rodriguez wrote:
> Could someone point me in the direction of these getting started  pages? 
> I've been working on a project that will require CGI's and rev  might 
> just be the easiest way for me to get this done.

Here you go:

<http://www.hyperactivesw.com/cgitutorial/index.html>

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Mon Jul 25 17:55:04 2005
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:55:04 -0400
Subject: PRINT DIALOGUES
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A99680F4@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <BF0AD7F8.D9CB%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

Chip:

Do you have examples of how "to roll your own" print dialogues? I could
perhaps take them apart and figure how to do what I want to do which is
print without print dilogues but with custom and different settings for each
print request.

Thanks in advance!

Bill


On 7/25/05 5:45 PM, "Lynch, Jonathan" <bnz2 at cdc.gov> wrote:

> Hi Chipp,
> 
> Do you include printer selection in your print dialog? If so, did this
> require an external, or using Cscript.exe, or something like that?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Chipp
> Walters
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 5:43 PM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Rant Re Rev Documentation
> 
> I just 'roll my own' print dialog boxes, which are cross-platform, have
> built in high quality 'Print Preview' and can print selected page
> ranges...so, IMO it's not a too 'glaring bug.'
> 
> Dan and I have talked about creating an 'advanced printing ebook' with a
> 
> library which would show how this is done.
> 
> 
> -Chipp
> 
> Charles Hartman wrote:
>> It's not going to make me any more popular, but I have to say that
> this 
>> seems like an example of the basic problem. It's a pretty  glaring bug
> 
>> -- as someone else pointed out, if you make the print  dialog
> available, 
>> you probably need to pay attention to what it says.
> 
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Mon Jul 25 18:19:52 2005
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:19:52 -0700
Subject: array info request (new thread)
In-Reply-To: <p06230909bf0b08582d96@[192.168.1.104]>
Message-ID: <BF0AB398.1CD3B%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Stephen Barncard  wrote:

> I've found it's better to have one-word names for EVERYTHING as a
> general rule and use underscores and dashes to separate words. I do
> it by habit now.

Don't get in the habit of using dashes (as opposed to underscores) -- Rev
will often try evaluate a dash as subtraction and you may run into script
errors because of this.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Mon Jul 25 18:22:59 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 00:22:59 +0200
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <42E56213.6010603@chipp.com>
References: <FB0312F8-A2E5-49FF-BE30-3066CAAC8A7E@canelasoftware.com>	<p06200704bf0ae0a5638f@[10.0.1.2]>
	<216F385F-8DC1-4ADA-A4E6-DB3AED5BF5D9@danshafer.com>
	<42E56213.6010603@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <830FD63F-DC7B-4A72-9DEE-5A2DC6705078@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Dan and Chipp and...

As you might know it, all my plugins come with a bilingual help stack  
(between 200 KB and 1 MB each)
I shall only say that writing these stacks is a very hard job...  
often longer than writing the first attempt of the plugin.
But this *always* gives me the opportunity to deeply revise  
ergonomics, interface and functions.
I try to write "good and complete" docs not only for the end user  
benefit (I know that many hate the docs and never read them :-) but  
because that's essential for me to be able to provide a "good and  
complete" job :-)

Le 26 juil. 05 ? 00:05, Chipp Walters a ?crit :

> Dan Shafer wrote:
>
>
>> Designing and writing good docs is nearly as hard as designing  
>> and  writing good software.
>>
>
> I beg to differ! How many software products/code libraries do you  
> know of which don't even have documentation. Poor Xavier and his  
> TAOO project is a great example, while he has told us some great  
> ideas-- w/out *good* documentation, it's really hard to follow...  
> (no disrespect intended, X, I still love you;-).
>
> In fact, without good documentation, much software is rendered  
> unusable. A case might even be made that without the books authored  
> by the '3 Dans,' Hypercard may have never been adopted so widely.
>
> best,
>
> Chipp


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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Mon Jul 25 18:28:50 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:28:50 -0400
Subject: array info request
In-Reply-To: <8220598509.20050725151324@ahsoftware.net>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445FB@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
	<p0623091ebf0aecba4885@[10.0.0.17]>
	<42E53FFF.7090604@fourthworld.com>
	<p0623091fbf0af41e040d@[10.0.0.17]>
	<8220598509.20050725151324@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <ba454ed4a59fce3c17952f598c92c52a@adelphia.net>

Pardon me butting in here but I have a question:
Then what is the best use of arrays? What can/should they be used for?

I understand the use and need for a custom property and the need for 
databases but what about these here arrays???


Thank you

Tom
On Jul 25, 2005, at 6:13 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> You're bordering *very* close to where you'd be better off using a
> database than trying to store things in arrays.
>
> Keep in mind that arrays are temporary. If you need persistent storage
> and you're not using a database then you'll need to store the arrays
> in custom variables in a substack:
>
> set the books of mySubStack to tBooks
>
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
>


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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Jul 25 18:38:17 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:38:17 -0700
Subject: [WARN] Inserting Any Plugin in the AltPluginToolbar
In-Reply-To: <BF0AC936.26286%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <BF0AC936.26286%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <3322091586.20050725153817@ahsoftware.net>

Ken-

Monday, July 25, 2005, 2:52:06 PM, you wrote:

KR> Sorry, Mark, but that is a weak argument, IMHO. It's not a private document
KR> if anyone can access it (which anyone can). And BTW, the purpose of the
KR> group is to help define the specification, which is necessary because it
KR> isn't fully solidified. If you don't want to help solidify the spec, then I
KR> guess you'll have to wait until it is made public.

Well, no. There's no point in pushing the ECMI as a standard which
developers should adopt as long as one has to join the working group
in order to even view the draft. I'm fine with waiting until it's
solidified before jumping in - that's why I'm deliberately *not*
joining the yahoo group. I realize I can join the club at any time -
that's not the issue. IMHO there's no point in evangelizing a
"standard" that's not publicly available. Mind you, I think the ECMI
is a good idea, things are just getting a bit cart-before-horsey here.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Jul 25 18:36:33 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:36:33 -0500
Subject: Rant Re Rev Documentation
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9744601@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9744601@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <42E56971.2060708@chipp.com>

Hi Jonathan,

I'm copying this to the list as well, as some there may be interested.

Are you on Mac or PC? I did this for both Mac and PC, and it's different 
for each. On the PC, if you put in the msg:

answer printer

you will see 'page ranges' are not selectable.

I then create an offscreen stack, and populate it with a card for each 
page to print. I then (optionally) capture the image of each card to a 
temp file, and show them in a print preview. From there it's a simple 
matter of marking the cards to print, and printing them one at a time. 
In the print preview window, I can also choose the number of copies, the 
page range, etc...store them in custom props and then:

repeat for each line L in the uPagesToPrint
     go cd x
     --> tW & tH IS THE WIDTH AND HEIGHT TO PRINT IN PIXELS
     --> CHANGES DEPENDING ON PRINT LAYOUT
     print card into 0,0,tW,tH
     --> THIS PRINTS A BREAK SO THAT THE NEXT PAGE CAN PRINT
     print break
end repeat

hope that helps.

Chipp

Lynch, Jonathan wrote:
> I have been stymied on part of this,
> 
> How do you disable the page ranges? Do you also disable the collate
> option?
> 
> If you print multiple copies, does it have to re-send and re-calculate
> the print job for every copy?
> 
> I would really like to create a single step print dialog box that works
> perfectly, but it looks like that would require an external, or using
> cScript - which would be a big pain, and would not work cross-platform.



From markgreenberg at cox.net  Mon Jul 25 18:37:44 2005
From: markgreenberg at cox.net (Mark Greenberg)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:37:44 -0700
Subject: Legal, Ethical?
Message-ID: <B7881356-FD5C-11D9-83CD-000A959B61BE@cox.net>

A few times on the list people have mentioned or posted a stack that 
reads part of a web site's HTML, formats it, and displays it for the 
stack's user without opening the default browser (e.g., a stock quote 
or pictures from Google).

As an educator, I saw potential there.  I experimented with pulling 
current news stories from the Internet, formatting them for language or 
social studies assignments, and having the students work on those 
lessons -- all without opening a browser.  Though I haven't fleshed it 
out yet, my experiments show that it is possible to do.

I would like your opinions on whether it is legal and ethical to do 
this.  It seems to me that, on the one hand, the stories are offered 
openly on the web and that what I'd be doing isn't much different than 
what a browser does; on the other hand, the journalists and 
photographers did not give permission for this type of use.  What do 
you all think?

By the way, I am in the US, so the Fair Use clause of the intellectual 
properties laws might apply in a school setting.

		TIA,
			Mark Greenberg

From europe at ehug.info  Mon Jul 25 18:50:55 2005
From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 00:50:55 +0200
Subject: ChatRev DOWN!
In-Reply-To: <2c58c7d33f7901ac9c4f26e2cb63ba84@mac.com>
References: <2c58c7d33f7901ac9c4f26e2cb63ba84@mac.com>
Message-ID: <42E56CCF.7040102@ehug.info>

Dear ChatRev fans,

During the next two days, I will be running the ChatRev server 
on my MacOS 9 iMac. This gives you the opportunity to chat 
between the crashes. The IP URL for this server is

www.economy-x-talk.com/ip.txt

and the ip address is

212.129.171.4

Depending on the client you use, you have to enter either one of 
them. The server is running on port 8008. You may have to 
register again. If there is a problem, you can send an e-mail to 
support at economy-x-talk.com.

I will run this server for a short time only and hope that 
Bj?rnke will have his own server up and running very soon.

Best regards,

Mark

Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:
> Hi fellow chat addicts
> 
> ChatRev will be down at least until Monday (pending miracle 
> notwithstanding). I moved to a cheaper appartment (just one or two 
> kilometres in the same town). I hoped that the adsl company would do a 
> double line for a few day (At least they told me they would), but 
> unfortunately there is no such thing happening (no phone either at the 
> new place). So if you wanna chat this weekend you need to resolve to 
> other means, for example ichat/aim, or the web based chatroom...
> Note that this means the whole server is down, spending doom on the 
> http://chatrev.cjb.net homepage, as well as any alternative clients.
> 
> I am sorry for any inconvenience
> 
> Bj?rnke von Gierke
> 

-- 

eHUG coordinator
mailto:europe at ehug.info
http://www.ehug.info
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mark.sch
http://www.economy-x-talk.com

Please inform me about vacancies in the field of
general economics at your institute. I am also looking
for new freelance programming projects.



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Mon Jul 25 19:07:40 2005
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:07:40 -0700
Subject: Scripting Style (was re: array info request)
In-Reply-To: <A452D2C2-031C-412E-A2CB-F5ABE1B15D34@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <BF0ABECC.1CD51%scott@tactilemedia.com>

> Richard is right about double-click: it's the reason why I don't use
> underscores and dashes either...

If you really want to split hairs (hares?), this is a somewhat weak
argument.  If you use, for example, an underscore as a naming convention:

_myField
_myButton
_myGraphic

Or:

my_field
my_button
my_graphic

Or:

button_fred
button_jim
button_mary

...it is quite easy to select the text string you want to change/modify with
a double click -- the underscore remains unselected and doesn't need to be.
And in my case, since I don't keep track of my billable time in
milliseconds, the time it takes me to select an entire string including an
underscore is negligible. :-)

-----

And while we're talking about style and conventions (or lack of them), you
might consider using upper case letters for single character variables:

 put 25 into A

Why?  If you look at X-Talk languages in general, what is the defining
characteristic that identifies most of the reserved messages/properties:

 mouseUp
 openCard
 windowShape
 backgroundBehavior
 resumeStack

Obviously, the upper case character in the middle of each name isn't truly
*needed* for a script to function, but the capital serves as a visual cue to
identify the text string as something "reserved": a message, a property
name, etc (one could also argue the capital makes the name easier to read).

Another consideration -- assuming that at least 99 percent of developers
code in lower case, line 1 below might appear to be more ambiguous than line
2:

  put 25 into a

  put 25 into A

IMO, line 1 has the *appearance* of an incomplete script, while in line 2,
there *may* be missing script but the upper case character is a clue that
"A" was intended as a variable name.

Food for thought (and debate)...

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jul 25 19:08:18 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:08:18 -0700
Subject: [WARN] Inserting Any Plugin in the AltPluginToolbar
In-Reply-To: <3322091586.20050725153817@ahsoftware.net>
References: <BF0AC936.26286%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<3322091586.20050725153817@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <42E570E2.2090507@fourthworld.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:
> Ken-
> Monday, July 25, 2005, 2:52:06 PM, you wrote:
> 
> KR> Sorry, Mark, but that is a weak argument, IMHO. It's not a private document
> KR> if anyone can access it (which anyone can). And BTW, the purpose of the
> KR> group is to help define the specification, which is necessary because it
> KR> isn't fully solidified. If you don't want to help solidify the spec, then I
> KR> guess you'll have to wait until it is made public.
> 
> Well, no. There's no point in pushing the ECMI as a standard which
> developers should adopt as long as one has to join the working group
> in order to even view the draft. I'm fine with waiting until it's
> solidified before jumping in - that's why I'm deliberately *not*
> joining the yahoo group. I realize I can join the club at any time -
> that's not the issue. IMHO there's no point in evangelizing a
> "standard" that's not publicly available. Mind you, I think the ECMI
> is a good idea, things are just getting a bit cart-before-horsey here.

I think we may be lost in symantics.  Like the definition of "is" and 
the definition of "covert", it seems we could benefit from clarifying 
what's meant by "public":

The ECMI recommendation, as with the RIP discussion group itself, is 
fully open to the public.

Anyone can joing the group, and as with any Yahoo Group joining does not 
even require you to pollute your In Box; there's an option to not have 
any emails sent to you when you join.  I'm subscribed to some 30 groups 
  on Yahoo and recieve emails on only three of them.

So the RIP discussion archive and files are fully available to anyone 
who wants them:
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revInterop/>

Since there are more than a dozen xTalk-related groups on Yahoo, for 
most folks joining is as simple as clicking the "Join this Group" link. 
  For example, if someone's already signed up on the Revolution_IPC 
group like yourself, no additional registration is required.

But perhaps most importantly, it's worth noting that if the participants 
in the RIP group do their job well, the ECMI recommendation will be 
entirely invisible to most Rev users.  Once finalized and implemented, 
tools will just start working together in a more integrated way than 
before, with nothing needed from the Rev user at all.

So these interim drafts of ECMI are really only of interest to people 
who publish tools for others; those who use these tools won't have 
anything required of them to reap the benefits.

There's certainly no harm in joining and lurking, and everyone is 
invited to do so if they choose.

As I'd already explained, if Yahoo gave us another option for file 
access we wouldn't be having this discussion at all, and we'll be 
correcting for their limitation at revJournal.com for the small subset 
of people who might want to read the interim draft but haven't clicked 
the "Join this Group" link.

But in the meantime there's nothing "private" about the group.  It's 
open for anyone to join right now.

I hope this clarifies the good intentions of the people who participate 
in the RIP group.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jul 25 19:18:16 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:18:16 -0700
Subject: Scripting Style (was re: array info request)
In-Reply-To: <BF0ABECC.1CD51%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <BF0ABECC.1CD51%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <42E57338.60702@fourthworld.com>

Scott Rossi wrote:
> Another consideration -- assuming that at least 99 percent of developers
> code in lower case, line 1 below might appear to be more ambiguous than line
> 2:
> 
>   put 25 into a
> 
>   put 25 into A
> 
> IMO, line 1 has the *appearance* of an incomplete script, while in line 2,
> there *may* be missing script but the upper case character is a clue that
> "A" was intended as a variable name.

But neither would be optimal as "a" is a reserved token (used as part is 
the "there is a" operator).  Oddly enough the compiler accepts it, but I 
try to avoid reserved tokens; I could have sworn I'd run into a case 
where using "a" as a var name gave me trouble, but I can't reproduce it now.

Point taken just the same.  To help make things more visually distinct I 
usually start my custom handlers with an upper-case letter, and leave 
built-in calls starting with lower-case, e.g.:

   on mouseUp
    global gMyVar
    set the title of this stack to MyFunction()
    DoSomething
    put version() into gMyVar
   end mouseUp

The assumption is that it's more likely that the things that break will 
be mine more often than the engine's <g>, so I make mine stand out to be 
easier to find when skimming.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jul 25 19:27:27 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:27:27 -0700
Subject: Legal, Ethical?
In-Reply-To: <B7881356-FD5C-11D9-83CD-000A959B61BE@cox.net>
References: <B7881356-FD5C-11D9-83CD-000A959B61BE@cox.net>
Message-ID: <42E5755F.7050209@fourthworld.com>

Mark Greenberg wrote:
> A few times on the list people have mentioned or posted a stack that 
> reads part of a web site's HTML, formats it, and displays it for the 
> stack's user without opening the default browser (e.g., a stock quote or 
> pictures from Google).
> 
> As an educator, I saw potential there.  I experimented with pulling 
> current news stories from the Internet, formatting them for language or 
> social studies assignments, and having the students work on those 
> lessons -- all without opening a browser.  Though I haven't fleshed it 
> out yet, my experiments show that it is possible to do.
> 
> I would like your opinions on whether it is legal and ethical to do 
> this.

California State Law requires me to precede my reply with this disclaimer:

   "I am not an attorney.  If you need the services of an
    attorney you are encouraged to consult a qualified
    professional in your area."

With that out of the way....

The common term for this is "scraping" (as in "scraping content from a 
page"), and policies vary from site to site.  As an educator, it's my 
understanding (limited by the above disclaimer) that you have additional 
options for classroom use under the "fair use" clauses in copyright law 
not available to those of us who might use such materials commercially. 
  Some school districts simplify things for their teachers by publishing 
policy documents outlining their interpretation of "fair use" for their 
teachers and staff.

Most sites state their usage policies on a Copyright page, and provide a 
contact address for anything not addressed there.

The policy in my office is: "When in doubt, contact the site 
administrator and request explicit permission."

A lot of sites depend on ad revenue or have other value derived from 
presenting content in the context they designed.  By scraping the 
content out of their content it can reduce that value, and in some cases 
may cause material harm to the site owner.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev


From michaell at unimelb.edu.au  Mon Jul 25 19:30:20 2005
From: michaell at unimelb.edu.au (Michael J. Lew)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:30:20 +1000
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
Message-ID: <p05200f0cbf0b246ae667@[128.250.229.137]>

Oh dear, oh dear oh dear! What is it with people and the docs? The 
docs work perfectly well when you know where to look for information. 
That may not always be immediately obvious, but I think that some 
don't spend enough time looking at the arrangement of the information 
before they claim the docs are too hard, or a bottleneck.

In Rev it is very easy to experiment with commands to see how they 
work. Try it.

In Rev it is fairly easy to guess what a command might be. Just try 
it out and see if it works. If it doesn't then type it into the 
dictionary filter and see what comes up.

This list is part of the effective documentation of Revolution (look 
up "effective" keyword in the dictionary ;-). Ask a question here and 
you will generally get a useful answer.

Don't try to tell me that Rev is not good for non-professionals. This 
list is full of non-professionals who are making good things with it.

Regards,
Michael Lew

At 2:29 PM -0500 25/7/05, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
>
>But Rev is advertised as "enterprise-ware" if I'm not mistaken. In
>theory, Rev is great for pros, great for novices, and great for
>do-it-yourself end-users, who possess a modicum of intelligence,
>motivation and computer experience.
>
>Maybe it's fine for Pros, but it's too damned hard for everyone else.
>The documentation presently available is the biggest bottleneck, in
>my opinion. It still seems to me that it just wouldn't be that hard
>or expensive to make it a whole lot better.

-- 
Michael J. Lew

Senior Lecturer
Department of Pharmacology
The University of Melbourne
Parkville 3010
Victoria
Australia

Phone +613 8344 8304

**
New email address: michaell at unimelb.edu.au
**


From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Mon Jul 25 19:44:39 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:44:39 -0400
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <p05200f0cbf0b246ae667@[128.250.229.137]>
References: <p05200f0cbf0b246ae667@[128.250.229.137]>
Message-ID: <F6462444-DE54-41FC-8A87-41E547789166@conncoll.edu>

I agree with this -- I think it's one of the virtues of Rev, and it  
goes along with virtues of clarity in the building of GUIs and so on.  
The command write-ups are terse, but pretty clear.

I don't think most of the documentation problems have to do with  
Transcript, though maybe I'm wrong about that. I think it's the IDE  
that could use more thorough documentation. But then, I'm scraping by  
without getting Dan Schafer's book, so maybe it's just a complaint  
for the penurious & the stingy . . .

Charles Hartman

On Jul 25, 2005, at 7:30 PM, Michael J. Lew wrote:

>
> In Rev it is very easy to experiment with commands to see how they  
> work. Try it.
>
> In Rev it is fairly easy to guess what a command might be. Just try  
> it out and see if it works. If it doesn't then type it into the  
> dictionary filter and see what comes up.
>
>



From revolution at jaedworks.com  Mon Jul 25 18:12:29 2005
From: revolution at jaedworks.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:12:29 -0700
Subject: Rant Re Rev Documentation
In-Reply-To: <42E49505.3020102@chipp.com>
References: <p06110400bf08a3e4dac1@[66.81.39.144]>
	<42E3215F.8010500@comcast.net>	<p06210200bf09ea6246cb@[66.81.59.124]>
	<42E49505.3020102@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <p062102b1bf0b119d3ddd@[192.168.2.153]>

At 2:30 AM -0500 7/25/2005, Chipp Walters wrote:
>All good points. I agree. When I was just starting, many times the 
>'terse explanation' in the docs just didn't go far enough-- I wanted 
>a few more examples of how the transcript term was used. I talked 
>with Jeanne DeVoto about it (she *was* the author of most the 
>documentation, and IMO did a great job), and she told me to put in 
>explicit examples for all the terms would be a herculean effort 
>above the current resource allocation for it. So, I don't blame 
>her...or for that matter, RR.

I should also mention that in older versions of the docs, there was a 
"Cookbook" section (many of the items written by our own Jacque) with 
extended annotated examples of useful handlers, and linked to the 
dictionary via the See Also section. There weren't enough of these - 
fewer than a hundred, I think - but the plan was to grow them 
gradually until each dictionary word had a cookbook example or two 
where you could see how it was used. (It looks like the Cookbook was 
one of the things removed in the newer versions of the docs, though - 
don't want to have anyone wasting time digging for it. But you may be 
able to find it if you have an older version.) I agree that there 
need to be a lot more worked examples.

Writing the original documentation was, in many ways, triage: the 
most essential part was always the Dictionary, because without the 
language documentation you can't do anything at all. Then How Tos for 
the IDE and language, troubleshooting information, and basic 
navigation. Then conceptual overviews (the encyclopedia) and more 
extensive examples (the cookbook). Then everything else (graphics in 
the text, full index, extended navigation methods such as linear 
"tracks" through the docs for specific topics, documentation of 
windows in the IDE, still more examples, animated tutorials for 
beginners, and so on).

I used to tell Kevin that I could finish my plans for the docs, if he 
sent the development team to the beach for a year so I wouldn't have 
to research any new features and add the new material for them. ;-)
-- 
jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
http://www.jaedworks.com


From see3d at writeme.com  Mon Jul 25 19:58:57 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:58:57 -0400
Subject: array info request
In-Reply-To: <ba454ed4a59fce3c17952f598c92c52a@adelphia.net>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445FB@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
	<p0623091ebf0aecba4885@[10.0.0.17]> <42E53FFF.7090604@fourthworld.com>
	<p0623091fbf0af41e040d@[10.0.0.17]>
	<8220598509.20050725151324@ahsoftware.net>
	<ba454ed4a59fce3c17952f598c92c52a@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <7D1E065E-CD45-471F-B314-7C1D611CD036@writeme.com>

Thomas,

I find arrays are very useful when you want to get random as opposed  
to sequential access to data.  Most of my arrays are generated by  
using the split command.  I read a file in, then split it by return  
to get quick random access to the lines, then I get a line and split  
it by comma to get quick access to an item.  I also generate arrays  
on the fly to hold info when I need to calculate the name of the info  
--this is surprisingly useful.

Custom properties are ways of attaching arrays to an object so that  
it is persistent.  It is a little harder to play with the creation of  
arrays, and the keys are a bit harder to get and change, but not very  
bad.

One way I use arrays is to hold the true/false answer to pre- 
calculated decisions.  Say I have a complex UI and a program that  
iterates through a lot of data in different ways depending on the  
complex relationships selected in the UI.  I pre-calculate all the UI  
decisions that I can for the IF THENS that are inside the loops.   
That way all the loops run faster.  Each decision point is at a index  
key something like "1a3".

You can actually do a lot of "logic" by creating arrays that hold the  
keys to other arrays.  Once you get you head around them, you will  
wonder how you ever programmed anything without them.

A friend of mine used arrays in the APL language 30 years ago to  
write a program called HexaPawn.  It is a 6x6 Chess board with just 6  
pawns on each side.  You play against the computer.  He wrote the  
game logic, and made it self learning in 6 terse lines.  He  
unfortunately needed another 6 lines for the UI code to type out the  
chess board after each move and get the next move.  Of course the Rev  
arrays are very crude compared to APL, but still extremely useful.

Dennis


On Jul 25, 2005, at 6:28 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> Pardon me butting in here but I have a question:
> Then what is the best use of arrays? What can/should they be used for?
>
> I understand the use and need for a custom property and the need  
> for databases but what about these here arrays???
>
>
> Thank you
>
> Tom
> On Jul 25, 2005, at 6:13 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>
>
>> You're bordering *very* close to where you'd be better off using a
>> database than trying to store things in arrays.
>>
>> Keep in mind that arrays are temporary. If you need persistent  
>> storage
>> and you're not using a database then you'll need to store the arrays
>> in custom variables in a substack:
>>
>> set the books of mySubStack to tBooks
>>
>> -- 
>> -Mark Wieder
>>
>>
>
>
> Macintosh PowerBook G-4 OSX 10.3.9, OS 9.2.2, 1.25 GHz, 512MB RAM,  
> Rev 2.6
>
>
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From see3d at writeme.com  Mon Jul 25 20:25:11 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:25:11 -0400
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <p05200f0cbf0b246ae667@[128.250.229.137]>
References: <p05200f0cbf0b246ae667@[128.250.229.137]>
Message-ID: <7C694F8E-9693-48F4-8B69-3E1CFB7EA8BB@writeme.com>

Ok all you first graders,

You need to learn to read this semester, so I want you all to go down  
to the library and find a book on grammar, a couple from the 'See  
Spot Run" series would also be a good choice, and by all means get a  
dictionary --you will need that for the alphabet and to build up your  
knowledge of words.  Now study these to learn how to read.  Don't  
worry if it seems hard, I will be here from 8 to 5 for you to ask  
questions, and I will almost always know what to say to help your  
progress.  If I am busy with someone else just take a number and I  
will get to you shortly.  Once a week we will all come together as a  
class to learn how to sound out words.

What is that?  Why can't I teach you all at the same time instead of  
individually?  Well it is because I am so busy answering individual  
questions I don't have any time left to organize all the information  
I know into a course plan.  Hurry up now, don't waste any more of our  
time with silly questions, you need to get hunting for information or  
you will never learn to read before the semester is up!

Food for thought,

Dennis

On Jul 25, 2005, at 7:30 PM, Michael J. Lew wrote:

> Oh dear, oh dear oh dear! What is it with people and the docs? The  
> docs work perfectly well when you know where to look for  
> information. That may not always be immediately obvious, but I  
> think that some don't spend enough time looking at the arrangement  
> of the information before they claim the docs are too hard, or a  
> bottleneck.
>
> In Rev it is very easy to experiment with commands to see how they  
> work. Try it.
>
> In Rev it is fairly easy to guess what a command might be. Just try  
> it out and see if it works. If it doesn't then type it into the  
> dictionary filter and see what comes up.
>
> This list is part of the effective documentation of Revolution  
> (look up "effective" keyword in the dictionary ;-). Ask a question  
> here and you will generally get a useful answer.
>
> Don't try to tell me that Rev is not good for non-professionals.  
> This list is full of non-professionals who are making good things  
> with it.
>
> Regards,
> Michael Lew


From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Jul 25 20:37:36 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:37:36 -0500
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <7C694F8E-9693-48F4-8B69-3E1CFB7EA8BB@writeme.com>
References: <p05200f0cbf0b246ae667@[128.250.229.137]>
	<7C694F8E-9693-48F4-8B69-3E1CFB7EA8BB@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <42E585D0.5080201@chipp.com>

Hmmm. I'm missing something. I honestly don't understand what you're 
trying to say. Do you teach Transcript in a course? Is it online? Or, is 
this all tongue-in-cheek? If it is I'm not sure I get your point.

Dennis Brown wrote:
> Ok all you first graders,
<snip>

> Why can't I teach you all at the same time instead of  
> individually?  Well it is because I am so busy answering individual  
> questions I don't have any time left to organize all the information  I 
> know into a course plan.  


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Mon Jul 25 20:48:20 2005
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:48:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <42E56213.6010603@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507251736310.428-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

I agree with you entirely on this, Chipp.

And Rev's pretty much in the same boat as HC as opposed to, say,
Flash/Director, VB, etc. in this regard.

The average new investigator sees the product, considers buying it or
adopting it, but unlike Flash, Director, VB, ..., etc., it's not like they
are confident of the ability to hit Barnes and Noble on the way home and
pick up a little helper book or two.  They can't surf on over to
Amazon.com either.

So, what are they to do? I suspect it's not likely that they're inclined
to go looking all over etherspace to find the various (good) and scattered
information, books, e-books, tutorials, video, conference stacks, etc.
etc.  RevOnline is only usable for those already in the inner sanctum (and
those NOT on dial-up I suspect).  People ashamed of its HC descent can't
likely even bring themselves to suggest reading those old books by the
three Dan's.

Perhaps the co. should have a page that itself references where to find
all these various helper thingies... but then there'd be the problem of
appearing to endorse things that might not look sufficiently
'professional' to one audience while harbouring fears of endorsing only
those others that might look indecipherable to another target user
population.

The feeling I continually harbour in the back of my mind is that,
somewhere, there's a distinct unwillingness on the part of the company to
pay for quality tutorial materials, things that are needed by new folks
who are not going to want to pay separately for them and folks that I
can't imagine the company wishes to turn away on that account.

It may seem unfair to expect the co. to invest in this for nothing, but
if, as Norman has remarked, the software isn't minimally useful out of
the box, well, ... it doesn't speak well of the software's ability to be
adopted in the marketplace.

Judy

 On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Dan Shafer wrote:
>
> > Designing and writing good docs is nearly as hard as designing and
> > writing good software.
>
> I beg to differ! How many software products/code libraries do you know
> of which don't even have documentation. Poor Xavier and his TAOO project
> is a great example, while he has told us some great ideas-- w/out *good*
> documentation, it's really hard to follow... (no disrespect intended, X,
> I still love you;-).
>
> In fact, without good documentation, much software is rendered unusable.
> A case might even be made that without the books authored by the '3
> Dans,' Hypercard may have never been adopted so widely.



From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Jul 25 20:58:07 2005
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:58:07 -0600
Subject: Unicode confusion
In-Reply-To: <dc2u6o$9kg$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <dc2u6o$9kg$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <edde75962678150648e209a463d26bfc@swcp.com>


On Jul 25, 2005, at 8:50 AM, Brad Borch wrote:

> Can I force Rev to choose a particular font for Unicode text?

I have had some problems with fonts that were solved by setting the  
font of the owner object.  I don't remember if this applies.

I was testing some large unicode fonts and there were times I would get  
the wrong one.  Bugzilla'd some place.  I think that if the code was in  
some range, Rev would search fonts until it found one that had it and  
use it, even if the current font would work.

I don't use htmlText for unicode.  I use the unicodeText property, so  
I'm not aware of all the htmlText problems.  One of the things I  
noticed is that space should be outside of <font> in most cases; I  
don't know why.  In many cases, if the space is in the font, garbage  
comes out.  It will also work to code the space as &#32;.  I usually  
see the lang as "jp" for unicode text for some reason.

Here is something that will set a field to the Greek text you mentioned  
before:

on mouseUp
   get  
decimalCodesToUnicode("945,946,947,948,949,32,949,955,955,949,957,953,95 
4,945")
   set the unicodeText of field "Greek" to it
end mouseUp

function decimalCodesToUnicode s
   set the useUnicode to true
   repeat for each item c in s
     put numToChar(c) after u
   end repeat
   return u
end decimalCodesToUnicode

If you get text and set text always with unicodeText, maybe it will  
work better for you.

You can't use unicode yet in the script editor, though I think there is  
a way to cheat with some special tools.

Dar
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From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Mon Jul 25 21:06:59 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:06:59 +1000
Subject: revPrintField problem
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760987@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760987@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <1FCE3210-6657-40CF-AA45-EEB4DB9D1C1B@genesearch.com.au>

> I am having a problem with revPrintField
>
> Here is the problem:
> I create a stack
> On the card, I create a text field (has a many lines of text), 5  
> images,
> then I group them and make scroll bar so user can scroll up and  
> down to
> see the text and images (name the group as "myField")
>
> Then on the same card, I create a button called "print" and put this
> code into the print button:
>
> on mouseUp
>   revPrintField the name of field "myField"
> end mouseUp
>
> This is the error I got when I click on "print":
>
>          executing at 2:32:48 PM
> Type    Chunk: no such object
> Object    Button
> Line    revPrintField the name of field "myField"
> Hint    myField
>
You have named the GROUP "MyField" and then are trying to print the  
field using the group's name. What is the name of the field?

Calling the group "MyField" will only lead to confusion. Call it  
"MyFieldGroup" or something similar so that it is obvious that it is  
a group & not a field. Then rename your field to "MyField" and use  
the script line:
     revPrintField the long name of field "myField"

HTH,
Sarah



From see3d at writeme.com  Mon Jul 25 21:12:48 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:12:48 -0400
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <42E585D0.5080201@chipp.com>
References: <p05200f0cbf0b246ae667@[128.250.229.137]>
	<7C694F8E-9693-48F4-8B69-3E1CFB7EA8BB@writeme.com>
	<42E585D0.5080201@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <355322CE-11A3-4E21-8052-83B7D58D2E50@writeme.com>

Chipp,

Not tongue-in-cheek, but direct analogy.  I have seen more excuses  
for why we don't have an easy path for newbies than a porcupine has  
quills.  We don't need to excuse the state of affairs --that is just  
giving permission to keep the status quo.  We need a plan to improve  
things.

I get the distinct impression that many actually do not want to see  
the exclusive club of knowledgeable Transcript programmers expand to  
quickly by having good docs.  It almost appears to be a conflict of  
interests between professionals who want to keep the highly  
productive club small because it is their competitive advantage and  
the non-professionals who want to see the user base grow for the  
benefit of all.  Also tutorials and other tools provided by  
professionals seem to be a sort of advertising that might be lost if  
the docs were first class.

Don't get me wrong, I am very appreciative of the free and low cost  
tools and tutorials developed with much sweat and time by many on  
this list.  I also appreciate the help with questions on the list.  I  
just sense this reluctance by some --and for good reason.  A group  
effort to improve the situation will have a cost/reward ratio that is  
different and will require rethinking strategy for some.

I just want to lay this out on the table instead of leaving it half  
unsaid.

I other words, when writing a tutorial brings in business, traffic to  
the web site, reputation, accolades, etc. a lot of energy can go into  
making such contributions.  However, if a group wiki approach was  
used, would all the energy from the most knowledgeable users dry up?   
Maybe yes, maybe no.

I believe that an undertaking to improve the docs by the user  
community needs the most knowledgeable professionals to contribute.   
So we need to make sure that it is done in a way the still delivers  
much of the benefits to them of the present system.

So the question in my mind is not IF, but HOW to proceed.

Dennis


On Jul 25, 2005, at 8:37 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Hmmm. I'm missing something. I honestly don't understand what  
> you're trying to say. Do you teach Transcript in a course? Is it  
> online? Or, is this all tongue-in-cheek? If it is I'm not sure I  
> get your point.
>
> Dennis Brown wrote:
>
>> Ok all you first graders,
>>
> <snip>
>
>
>> Why can't I teach you all at the same time instead of   
>> individually?  Well it is because I am so busy answering  
>> individual  questions I don't have any time left to organize all  
>> the information  I know into a course plan.
>>
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From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Mon Jul 25 21:34:20 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:34:20 +1000
Subject: Open with?
In-Reply-To: <92775026-D4D7-49F4-9A20-9AD2912AE3B5@mac.com>
References: <92775026-D4D7-49F4-9A20-9AD2912AE3B5@mac.com>
Message-ID: <0A6E1D26-9270-484E-A4AF-B35275BC72D6@genesearch.com.au>

> I just downloaded 2.6 for a test drive, but now all of my rev files  
> try to open with 2.6, even when it's in the trash.  On the open  
> with contextual menu, 2.5 isn't one of the options even though it  
> is installed and has been for a while, and when I click "get info"  
> it isn't an option in the "open with" there either.  So with 2.6 in  
> the trash, i can't double click on a rev file to open it (error  
> message) and from within rev, I can't choose open file and navigate  
> to a file that is in a standalone package.  I can open the package  
> and drag the rev file onto the rev 2.5 icon in my dock, but what a  
> pain!  I seem to remember seeing this in the list back when 2.6 was  
> released, but no lick finding it in the list archives.
>
> Anyone know the way around this?

First off, empty the trash! OS X is quite capable of using an  
application that is in the trash so either get rid of it completely,  
or archive it and then trash the original.

Double-clicking on a Rev stack may just work then as Rev 2.5 will  
probably be the latest matching app on your system, but if not, Get  
Info for a stack and see if it appears in the list of Open with..  
apps. If not, choose Other... from the bottom of that popup menu and  
find the Rev 2.5 app.

Once you have done this, click the Change all.. button to apply this  
to all your Rev stacks.

HTH,
Sarah



From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Mon Jul 25 21:36:20 2005
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:36:20 -0400
Subject: Calling Print Dialogue
In-Reply-To: <42E56971.2060708@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <BF0B0BD4.D9F9%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

Chip

Can you show your examples for MAC OS X as well?

Bill


On 7/25/05 6:36 PM, "Chipp Walters" <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:

> Hi Jonathan,
> 
> I'm copying this to the list as well, as some there may be interested.
> 
> Are you on Mac or PC? I did this for both Mac and PC, and it's different
> for each. On the PC, if you put in the msg:
> 
> answer printer
> 
> you will see 'page ranges' are not selectable.
> 
> I then create an offscreen stack, and populate it with a card for each
> page to print. I then (optionally) capture the image of each card to a
> temp file, and show them in a print preview. From there it's a simple
> matter of marking the cards to print, and printing them one at a time.
> In the print preview window, I can also choose the number of copies, the
> page range, etc...store them in custom props and then:
> 
> repeat for each line L in the uPagesToPrint
>      go cd x
>      --> tW & tH IS THE WIDTH AND HEIGHT TO PRINT IN PIXELS
>      --> CHANGES DEPENDING ON PRINT LAYOUT
>      print card into 0,0,tW,tH
>      --> THIS PRINTS A BREAK SO THAT THE NEXT PAGE CAN PRINT
>      print break
> end repeat
> 
> hope that helps.
> 
> Chipp
> 
> Lynch, Jonathan wrote:
>> I have been stymied on part of this,
>> 
>> How do you disable the page ranges? Do you also disable the collate
>> option?
>> 
>> If you print multiple copies, does it have to re-send and re-calculate
>> the print job for every copy?
>> 
>> I would really like to create a single step print dialog box that works
>> perfectly, but it looks like that would require an external, or using
>> cScript - which would be a big pain, and would not work cross-platform.
> 
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From jbondy at sover.net  Mon Jul 25 21:37:16 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:37:16 -0400
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <p05200f0cbf0b246ae667@[128.250.229.137]>
References: <p05200f0cbf0b246ae667@[128.250.229.137]>
Message-ID: <42E593CC.2020702@sover.net>

"Oh dear, oh dear oh dear! What is it with people and the docs? The docs 
work perfectly well when you know where to look for information."

If I knew what a facility's name was, or even whether such a facility 
existed, I would be most of the way there.  The fact is that most 
newbies have no clue about any of this.  Saying the "docs work 
perfectly" misses most of the point.

For me, the biggest problem I have with the docs, aside from not being 
able to find things, is that when I get to a topic, there are not enough 
examples to indicate exactly how a facility might be used.  Whether this 
belongs in the "docs" or in something else is beside the point.  If I'm 
struggling with how to use a REPEAT, I need examples.

:)

Jon


Michael J. Lew wrote:

> Oh dear, oh dear oh dear! What is it with people and the docs? The 
> docs work perfectly well when you know where to look for information. 
> That may not always be immediately obvious, but I think that some 
> don't spend enough time looking at the arrangement of the information 
> before they claim the docs are too hard, or a bottleneck.
>
> In Rev it is very easy to experiment with commands to see how they 
> work. Try it.
>
> In Rev it is fairly easy to guess what a command might be. Just try it 
> out and see if it works. If it doesn't then type it into the 
> dictionary filter and see what comes up.
>
> This list is part of the effective documentation of Revolution (look 
> up "effective" keyword in the dictionary ;-). Ask a question here and 
> you will generally get a useful answer.
>
> Don't try to tell me that Rev is not good for non-professionals. This 
> list is full of non-professionals who are making good things with it.
>
> Regards,
> Michael Lew
>
> At 2:29 PM -0500 25/7/05, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
>
>>
>> But Rev is advertised as "enterprise-ware" if I'm not mistaken. In
>> theory, Rev is great for pros, great for novices, and great for
>> do-it-yourself end-users, who possess a modicum of intelligence,
>> motivation and computer experience.
>>
>> Maybe it's fine for Pros, but it's too damned hard for everyone else.
>> The documentation presently available is the biggest bottleneck, in
>> my opinion. It still seems to me that it just wouldn't be that hard
>> or expensive to make it a whole lot better.
>
>


From europe at ehug.info  Mon Jul 25 21:42:50 2005
From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 03:42:50 +0200
Subject: I need help with custom cursors
In-Reply-To: <82459AD2-7244-48B4-A895-3ECCA6AC845F@cableone.net>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445E4@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>	<B8014442-F065-4065-9D0E-D7A0A2B808CB@cableone.net>	<86BADBA1-C283-4764-AEDE-F8C8721190FD@cableone.net>	<23C94F7D-B48E-45AF-8A53-65BF1D625D4F@cableone.net>	<42E00620.5030407@ehug.info>
	<82459AD2-7244-48B4-A895-3ECCA6AC845F@cableone.net>
Message-ID: <42E5951A.1030307@ehug.info>

Hello Chris,

Many thanks for the reply. I didn't notice any delay, as I was 
away myself.

I will try a cursor with 1,0,0 instead of 0,0,1 to substitute 
black and will report the results here.

Best,

Mark


Chris Sheffield wrote:
> Hi Mark,
> 
> Sorry I've taken so long to respond.  I've been out of town for the  
> last few days.
> 
> I'm not really sure what the problem would be.  I had a pre-existing  
> jpg image that I started with.  I had to edit that image so that it  
> only used three colors (some color very close to black (1,0,0 in my  
> case), white, and then a transparent color).  I set the transparency  
> (using Paint Shop Pro, btw), then saved it has a gif.  I imported  that 
> into Rev, used the pencil tool to edit a pixel, then I just hit  undo to 
> remove my changes to the image.  I set the cursor and it  worked fine 
> for me.
> 
> Not sure if that'll help or not.  It sounds like you've followed the  
> same steps, except for using 0,0,1 instead of 1,0,0 for your  "black".  
> Don't know if that would make a difference or not.
> 
> Chris

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From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Jul 25 21:57:37 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:57:37 -0500
Subject: Rev Documentation to the rescue
Message-ID: <42E59891.50101@chipp.com>

Dennis Brown wrote:

> I get the distinct impression that many actually do not want to see  the 
> exclusive club of knowledgeable Transcript programmers expand to  
> quickly by having good docs.  It almost appears to be a conflict of  
> interests between professionals who want to keep the highly  productive 
> club small because it is their competitive advantage and  the 
> non-professionals who want to see the user base grow for the  benefit of 
> all.  Also tutorials and other tools provided by  professionals seem to 
> be a sort of advertising that might be lost if  the docs were first class.

OK Dennis, I now know where you're coming from.

I'm sorry you have that impression. AFAIK, it couldn't be further from
the truth (speaking for myself, and probably many other 'professionals'
here). The simple fact is: MOST ALL OTHER X-TALKS have gone out of
business. Some a couple of times!

So...we need to support as many users, in whatever way we can, in order
to maintain our 'tool of choice.' And the fact that RR has conveniently
separated the engine into 2 product lines: DC and Revolution, helps
those who make a serious living with it, differentiate ourselves as
well. So, IMO, all's well on THAT front.

Now, I certainly don't speak for RR, but one thing I know they are smart
about-- conserving resources. Unlike many others (i.e. Allegiant), RR
understands they need to build a good business case for this product and
spend wisely. This means slow and steady growth.

They're in the same boat as many other companies. It used to be
companies paid healthy advances to get someone of Dan's caliber to write
a book. Unfortunately, it's no longer the case. Linspire's (formally
Lindows) VP of Marketing (a friend and a former SuperCard VP) tried to
work out a deal for a book earlier last year, but just couldn't put up
an advance big enough to make it worthwhile.

That being said, thank heavens for this community. It really does
provide support for everyone, and does it quite well. I think it's
probably time to consider real FORUMS, but that's another discussion.
The more people 'chip in' (NPI), the better it gets. Hopefully, soon,
someone will find the resources to help out in the 'Beginning
Transcript' book department.

best,

Chipp



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jul 25 22:15:05 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:15:05 -0500
Subject: array info request
In-Reply-To: <ba454ed4a59fce3c17952f598c92c52a@adelphia.net>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445FB@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>	<p0623091ebf0aecba4885@[10.0.0.17]>	<42E53FFF.7090604@fourthworld.com>	<p0623091fbf0af41e040d@[10.0.0.17]>	<8220598509.20050725151324@ahsoftware.net>
	<ba454ed4a59fce3c17952f598c92c52a@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <42E59CA9.1020301@hyperactivesw.com>

Thomas McGrath III wrote:
> Pardon me butting in here but I have a question:
> Then what is the best use of arrays? What can/should they be used for?
> 
> I understand the use and need for a custom property and the need for 
> databases but what about these here arrays???

Actually, I used arrays exactly as the original poster suggested, and 
the application is working great, running the entire public school 
library for the Aborigines in the Australian Outback.

They are a small library system. For anything very much larger, I'd go 
with a dedicated database as Mark suggetss. But their library tops out 
at about 40,000 books right now, and even with room for many thousands 
more, I think using arrays is a fine solution.

Each library in the Outback has only a few thousand books. The master 
database in Darwin stores the titles for all of them combined, and keeps 
track of which school has what. In any case, the current library for 
both the schools and the master database is stored as a text file on 
disk, just a plain list with one book per line. This text file is read 
into memory when the app starts up, split into an array, and uses a 
single-card stack as a front end. When a book is accessed, the card 
fields are filled in from the array. It is very fast. Memory usage is 
minimal; the average school's text file is under 100K for a couple of 
thousand books.

Access to any one of 40,000 titles is instantaneous. Searching for 
strings is also very fast. Backing up the library is a simple matter of 
copying a text file to another volume. Text files compress very well, 
which means they can be quickly sent over the internet to another school 
(the Outback has very iffy electrical and internet access, so this was 
important.) Importing a list of new books is just a matter of reading in 
a new text list and adding it to the current array. It all works very 
well and very fast.

So I think the original idea is a fine use of arrays. ;)

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From see3d at writeme.com  Mon Jul 25 22:15:50 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:15:50 -0400
Subject: Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <42E59891.50101@chipp.com>
References: <42E59891.50101@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <FC79ADFE-913B-4CE0-AEFC-A670DABC7540@writeme.com>

Chipp,

I hope you are right about that, I want to think the best of the  
community, and the actions speak louder than the words, but some of  
the posts took me aback, and made me start to wonder where some were  
coming from.  I also am sensitive to the fact that changes to the  
status quo can have a real effect on peoples livelihoods if they  
don't also change to keep pace --"my altruism usually stops when your  
fist is occupying the same volume as my nose".  I like to see win-win  
propositions in all my dealings.

Dennis

On Jul 25, 2005, at 9:57 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Dennis Brown wrote:
>
>
>> I get the distinct impression that many actually do not want to  
>> see  the exclusive club of knowledgeable Transcript programmers  
>> expand to  quickly by having good docs.  It almost appears to be a  
>> conflict of  interests between professionals who want to keep the  
>> highly  productive club small because it is their competitive  
>> advantage and  the non-professionals who want to see the user base  
>> grow for the  benefit of all.  Also tutorials and other tools  
>> provided by  professionals seem to be a sort of advertising that  
>> might be lost if  the docs were first class.
>>
>
> OK Dennis, I now know where you're coming from.
>
> I'm sorry you have that impression. AFAIK, it couldn't be further from
> the truth (speaking for myself, and probably many other  
> 'professionals'
> here). The simple fact is: MOST ALL OTHER X-TALKS have gone out of
> business. Some a couple of times!
>
> So...we need to support as many users, in whatever way we can, in  
> order
> to maintain our 'tool of choice.' And the fact that RR has  
> conveniently
> separated the engine into 2 product lines: DC and Revolution, helps
> those who make a serious living with it, differentiate ourselves as
> well. So, IMO, all's well on THAT front.
>
> Now, I certainly don't speak for RR, but one thing I know they are  
> smart
> about-- conserving resources. Unlike many others (i.e. Allegiant), RR
> understands they need to build a good business case for this  
> product and
> spend wisely. This means slow and steady growth.
>
> They're in the same boat as many other companies. It used to be
> companies paid healthy advances to get someone of Dan's caliber to  
> write
> a book. Unfortunately, it's no longer the case. Linspire's (formally
> Lindows) VP of Marketing (a friend and a former SuperCard VP) tried to
> work out a deal for a book earlier last year, but just couldn't put up
> an advance big enough to make it worthwhile.
>
> That being said, thank heavens for this community. It really does
> provide support for everyone, and does it quite well. I think it's
> probably time to consider real FORUMS, but that's another discussion.
> The more people 'chip in' (NPI), the better it gets. Hopefully, soon,
> someone will find the resources to help out in the 'Beginning
> Transcript' book department.
>
> best,
>
> Chipp
>
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From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Jul 25 22:22:46 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:22:46 -0500
Subject: Calling Print Dialogue
In-Reply-To: <BF0B0BD4.D9F9%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
References: <BF0B0BD4.D9F9%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
Message-ID: <42E59E76.7000609@chipp.com>

Sure,

(stopping to launch OSX on laptop)
OT speaking of Apple...did everyone see where Yahoo stepped up and 
purchased Konfabulator, then made it free? Something Apple should've 
done a long time ago. Nice to know there are still some good companies 
out there!

So, here's how it goes on the Mac.

Like the PC, I call answer printer first. That gives me the page setup 
dialog and I can get from that the printmargins.

I then do the same as below, allowing the user to preview and select 
pages. Then I call
open printing with dialog which allows me to pick a printer. In this 
case, I have already informed the user to always use the ALL range (as 
they've previously selected print range from my custom preview page). 
Then it goes from there as below.

best,

Chipp


Bill wrote:
> Chip
> 
> Can you show your examples for MAC OS X as well?
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> On 7/25/05 6:36 PM, "Chipp Walters" <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Hi Jonathan,
>>
>>I'm copying this to the list as well, as some there may be interested.
>>
>>Are you on Mac or PC? I did this for both Mac and PC, and it's different
>>for each. On the PC, if you put in the msg:
>>
>>answer printer
>>
>>you will see 'page ranges' are not selectable.
>>
>>I then create an offscreen stack, and populate it with a card for each
>>page to print. I then (optionally) capture the image of each card to a
>>temp file, and show them in a print preview. From there it's a simple
>>matter of marking the cards to print, and printing them one at a time.
>>In the print preview window, I can also choose the number of copies, the
>>page range, etc...store them in custom props and then:
>>
>>repeat for each line L in the uPagesToPrint
>>     go cd x
>>     --> tW & tH IS THE WIDTH AND HEIGHT TO PRINT IN PIXELS
>>     --> CHANGES DEPENDING ON PRINT LAYOUT
>>     print card into 0,0,tW,tH
>>     --> THIS PRINTS A BREAK SO THAT THE NEXT PAGE CAN PRINT
>>     print break
>>end repeat
>>
>>hope that helps.
>>
>>Chipp
>>
>>Lynch, Jonathan wrote:
>>
>>>I have been stymied on part of this,
>>>
>>>How do you disable the page ranges? Do you also disable the collate
>>>option?
>>>
>>>If you print multiple copies, does it have to re-send and re-calculate
>>>the print job for every copy?
>>>
>>>I would really like to create a single step print dialog box that works
>>>perfectly, but it looks like that would require an external, or using
>>>cScript - which would be a big pain, and would not work cross-platform.
>>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jul 25 22:26:59 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:26:59 -0500
Subject: revPrintField problem
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760987@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760987@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <42E59F73.5070905@hyperactivesw.com>

Ban Nguyen wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> 
> 
> I am having a problem with revPrintField
> 
> Here is the problem:
> I create a stack
> On the card, I create a text field (has a many lines of text), 5 images,
> then I group them and make scroll bar so user can scroll up and down to
> see the text and images (name the group as "myField")

RevPrintField will only print a field. You are trying to print a group. 
It won't work. TThe error says "no such object" because there is no 
field named "myField".

To print a group, set the scroll of the group to 0. Print the card. Then 
set the scroll of the group to the current scroll plus the height of the 
group. Print the card again. Do that inside a repeat loop until the 
group is completely printed.


> 
> Then on the same card, I create a button called "print" and put this
> code into the print button:
> 
> on mouseUp
>   revPrintField the name of field "myField"
> end mouseUp
> 
> This is the error I got when I click on "print":
> 
>      	executing at 2:32:48 PM
> Type	Chunk: no such object
> Object	Button
> Line	revPrintField the name of field "myField"
> Hint	myField
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Has anyone went throught this situation?  Please help
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Mon Jul 25 22:28:36 2005
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:28:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <42E59891.50101@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507251928180.2018-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Here, here.

Judy

On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Chipp Walters wrote:

> OK Dennis, I now know where you're coming from.
>
> I'm sorry you have that impression. AFAIK, it couldn't be further from
> the truth (speaking for myself, and probably many other 'professionals'
> here). The simple fact is: MOST ALL OTHER X-TALKS have gone out of
> business. Some a couple of times!
>
> So...we need to support as many users, in whatever way we can, in order
> to maintain our 'tool of choice.' And the fact that RR has conveniently
> separated the engine into 2 product lines: DC and Revolution, helps
> those who make a serious living with it, differentiate ourselves as
> well. So, IMO, all's well on THAT front.
>
> Now, I certainly don't speak for RR, but one thing I know they are smart
> about-- conserving resources. Unlike many others (i.e. Allegiant), RR
> understands they need to build a good business case for this product and
> spend wisely. This means slow and steady growth.
>
> They're in the same boat as many other companies. It used to be
> companies paid healthy advances to get someone of Dan's caliber to write
> a book. Unfortunately, it's no longer the case. Linspire's (formally
> Lindows) VP of Marketing (a friend and a former SuperCard VP) tried to
> work out a deal for a book earlier last year, but just couldn't put up
> an advance big enough to make it worthwhile.
>
> That being said, thank heavens for this community. It really does
> provide support for everyone, and does it quite well. I think it's
> probably time to consider real FORUMS, but that's another discussion.
> The more people 'chip in' (NPI), the better it gets. Hopefully, soon,
> someone will find the resources to help out in the 'Beginning
> Transcript' book department.
>
> best,
>
> Chipp
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jul 25 22:45:16 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:45:16 -0700
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507251736310.428-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507251736310.428-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <42E5A3BC.1030809@fourthworld.com>

Judy Perry wrote:
> I suspect it's not likely that they're inclined
> to go looking all over etherspace to find the various (good) and scattered
> information, books, e-books, tutorials, video, conference stacks, etc.
> etc.

All the more reason to make sure Rev-related sites are included in the 
DMOZ listing:

<http://dmoz.org/Computers/Programming/Languages/Transcript/>

DMOZ feeds most major search engines and is the world's largest 
hand-edited directory.  While no panacea, it helps folks find what 
they're looking for.

>  RevOnline is only usable for those already in the inner sanctum (and
> those NOT on dial-up I suspect).

While I agree with your larger point and find little value in teaching 
abstract concepts like code using concrete expressions like video, it's 
worth noting for those of us who make 'net apps that broadband has 
outpaced dial-up in the US and the UK.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Mon Jul 25 22:53:04 2005
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:53:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Mea Culpa (long)
In-Reply-To: <42E59F73.5070905@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507251930580.2018-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Hello,

A thoughful fellow listmember has brought it to my attention that I am
sounding even more strident than is normal (for me, anyways), and this has
prompted me to try to rethink why my reactions are what they are and why
they may be perceived differently than I intend them.

So, in keeping with that idea, here's my Mea Culpa/FAQ:

(1)  No, I do not hate Dan Shafer.  I bought his book.  Will probably buy
one or more  of the e-books.  Somehow, when whatever went down between him
& the company, I wasn't able to get his book in print, which is what I
wanted, and I ended up buying something other than what I eventually
thought I had bought.  I appreciate his and Chipp's efforts on behalf of
the RR family.  But I still am strident about books needing indices.

(2)  I don't think the Docs suck.  I think they are what they were
intended to be,  namely, on online language dictionary.  They can be hard
to use at times, _especially_ if you are not (a) familiar with the HC
lineage and/or (b) not a programmer.  They're not Danny Goodman's Guide
and, although we need something ala Danny Goodman's Guide, they shouldn't
be judged harshly for not being what they are not.  They're also not a
guide to the IDE, which, while needed, is not what they are.  Ditto for a
set of project-based tutorials which, again, while needed, are not what
they are.

So why are they the focus of such intense, sometimes negative, reaction?
Because they have to serve as all three of those things which they are not
in addition to the one thing they are.  And this  has been a problem,
unresolved, for a very long time.  And I don't understand why.

(3) I don't dislike Rev.  In fact, should it go away, I shall retire to
Sussex and keep bees or some such thing, because learning C, C++, Python,
Java, etc. etc., is just NOT something I'm gonna do.  But I don't
understand why, when numerous _other_ people note again and again that
certain things are problems (scripting tabs, anyone?) and certain things
are needed (pre-builts, a comprehensive guide, project-based tutorials),
that seemingly  NOTHING SEEMS TO CHANGE?  It's almost like there's this
disastrous disconnect between what people are telling the company they
want/need to see and what the company sees/hears needs to be done.

And, sometimes, this gets mixed up with Dan's book and is perceived as an
attack on Dan.  It's not.  It's not an attack on RR, either.  It's more
like when communication breaks down; one party says something, and the
other party acts like _either_ they understood and are ignoring it _or_
they didn't understand it at all, both of which only prompt you to repeat
yourself again and again, louder and still louder.

But, it's not an attack on Rev:  RevOnline is a good idea.  But it's not
for the novice/new user (I'm looking for something named what in which
space under whose user name???).  The Scripting Conferences are a good
idea...  but they emphasize teaching people "how to program" as opposed to
"how to make things" (yes, I know that they're really the same thing, but
how you couch terms makes a huge difference depending upon your intended
audience).  The Rev in Ed list is a good thing... in concept... but in
reality it seems to be a bunch of confused or overloaded people waiting
for something to happen, waiting especially for the company to speak to
them as educators instead of providing them with their own mail list to
talk to one another, wondering when something is gonna happen.

I'm strident BECAUSE I want (selfishly, 'cuz I'm not all that fond of
bees, either) RR to succeed.  And I don't think complacency or silence
about critical gaps will help.

Of course, quite possibly, neither does being so loud that people simply
stop listening, so,

I'm sorry if I've offended.

Judy







From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Mon Jul 25 23:00:05 2005
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:00:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <42E5A3BC.1030809@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507251959100.2018-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Okay <big smile>...

and, of course, _everybody_ knows what DMOZ is, right?  Not just real
geeks?

@;-)

Judy

On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Judy Perry wrote:
> > I suspect it's not likely that they're inclined
> > to go looking all over etherspace to find the various (good) and scattered
> > information, books, e-books, tutorials, video, conference stacks, etc.
> > etc.
>
> All the more reason to make sure Rev-related sites are included in the
> DMOZ listing:
>
> <http://dmoz.org/Computers/Programming/Languages/Transcript/>
>
> DMOZ feeds most major search engines and is the world's largest
> hand-edited directory.  While no panacea, it helps folks find what
> they're looking for.
>
> >  RevOnline is only usable for those already in the inner sanctum (and
> > those NOT on dial-up I suspect).
>
> While I agree with your larger point and find little value in teaching
> abstract concepts like code using concrete expressions like video, it's
> worth noting for those of us who make 'net apps that broadband has
> outpaced dial-up in the US and the UK.
>
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World Media Corporation
>   ___________________________________________________________
>   Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Mon Jul 25 23:02:24 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 23:02:24 -0400
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <42E593CC.2020702@sover.net>
References: <p05200f0cbf0b246ae667@[128.250.229.137]>
	<42E593CC.2020702@sover.net>
Message-ID: <43fa833654f24e7f93efb6f614af6744@adelphia.net>

Jon,

But that is exactly the point. WHO will do this work and WHERE should 
it be put and in What context. Rev has been slowly making the docs 
better and it is still a work in progress. They are also trying the 
online conference thing with attached sample stacks (which is great). 
But this amount of work will definitely interfere with bug fixes and 
enhancement requests at the present time. They have started to 
implement a user editable area in the docs for user contribution on 
specific doc items but it still needs work.

Where as a WIKI would be nice but people have already tried that and 
stalled in the effort. Besides a WIKI on some ones website besides Revs 
is not a good idea in the long run since that person might move or die 
or whatever and the effort is then lost. So Who, What and Where are the 
critical issues if this is to ever get done. It needs to be always 
accessible and monitored and formatted for correctness let alone be 
updated as changes are made to Transcript.

Don't get me wrong I would love to see these:
1.) Extra examples in the existing docs (from different points of view 
- with different possible usages)   .
2.) Sample stacks with existing code to make these examples work.
3.) A truly 'for beginners only' tutorial for the Rev application and 
interface and lastly
4.) A series of working Concept stacks that show the most integral 
parts of Transcript and how it can be used.

Personally, I would like to see RevOnline expanded to host strictly 
pre-formated user submitted solution stacks that have gone through 
REV's seal of approval and hosted there and accessible from within Rev 
itself. This would be different from the user area where the strictness 
would not exist since many times that is to share a work in progress 
and get feedback. The format could be 'very' close to the format used 
in the online conference stacks.

So if enough volunteers are available to write/contribute to these 
pre-formated stacks AND Rev is agreeable to host the space and provide 
the links in the RevOnline area then we could start to work on what 
types of solution/ideas are needed the most at this time. Then people 
could start working on them and this might get done. Other wise it 
becomes all 'talk'.

Yours,

Tom

On Jul 25, 2005, at 9:37 PM, Jon wrote:

> Whether this belongs in the "docs" or in something else is beside the 
> point.  If I'm struggling with how to use a REPEAT, I need examples.


Macintosh PowerBook G-4 OSX 10.3.9, OS 9.2.2, 1.25 GHz, 512MB RAM, Rev 
2.6


Advanced Media Group
Eagle Works Art & Sculpture
Semantic Compaction Systems
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Prentke Romich International
SCIconics, LLC
Artist
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3mcgrath at adelphia.net





From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Mon Jul 25 23:17:21 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 23:17:21 -0400
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <43fa833654f24e7f93efb6f614af6744@adelphia.net>
References: <p05200f0cbf0b246ae667@[128.250.229.137]>
	<42E593CC.2020702@sover.net>
	<43fa833654f24e7f93efb6f614af6744@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <0915a6acac3308b3c75330037be21454@adelphia.net>

P.S. And for those that don't use RevOnline because of dial-up issues 
or whatever then Concept stacks could be available on a CD for purchase 
like everyone else used to do.

Death by committee and hot air aside this is very doable and at this 
time as well.

I for one would enjoy contributing to this because everyone on this 
list has been of great help to me.

Tom

On Jul 25, 2005, at 11:02 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> Personally, I would like to see RevOnline expanded to host strictly 
> pre-formated user submitted solution stacks that have gone through 
> REV's seal of approval and hosted there and accessible from within Rev 
> itself. This would be different from the user area where the 
> strictness would not exist since many times that is to share a work in 
> progress and get feedback. The format could be 'very' close to the 
> format used in the online conference stacks.
>
> So if enough volunteers are available to write/contribute to these 
> pre-formated stacks AND Rev is agreeable to host the space and provide 
> the links in the RevOnline area then we could start to work on what 
> types of solution/ideas are needed the most at this time. Then people 
> could start working on them and this might get done. Other wise it 
> becomes all 'talk'.


Macintosh PowerBook G-4 OSX 10.3.9, OS 9.2.2, 1.25 GHz, 512MB RAM, Rev 
2.6


Advanced Media Group
Eagle Works Art & Sculpture
Semantic Compaction Systems
Prentke Romich Company
Prentke Romich International
SCIconics, LLC
Artist
Thomas J McGrath III
3mcgrath at adelphia.net





From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 25 23:22:35 2005
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:22:35 -0500
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507251959100.2018-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507251959100.2018-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <CD1DC2C4-D960-4D15-B03A-4ECA296D44CC@earthlink.net>

Actually what IS DMOZ, now that you mention it.

M
On Jul 25, 2005, at 10:00 PM, Judy Perry wrote:

> Okay <big smile>...
>
> and, of course, _everybody_ knows what DMOZ is, right?  Not just real
> geeks?
>
> @;-)
>
> Judy
>
> On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>
>> Judy Perry wrote:
>>
>>> I suspect it's not likely that they're inclined
>>> to go looking all over etherspace to find the various (good) and  
>>> scattered
>>> information, books, e-books, tutorials, video, conference stacks,  
>>> etc.
>>> etc.
>>>
>>
>> All the more reason to make sure Rev-related sites are included in  
>> the
>> DMOZ listing:
>>
>> <http://dmoz.org/Computers/Programming/Languages/Transcript/>
>>
>> DMOZ feeds most major search engines and is the world's largest
>> hand-edited directory.  While no panacea, it helps folks find what
>> they're looking for.
>>
>>
>>>  RevOnline is only usable for those already in the inner sanctum  
>>> (and
>>> those NOT on dial-up I suspect).
>>>
>>
>> While I agree with your larger point and find little value in  
>> teaching
>> abstract concepts like code using concrete expressions like video,  
>> it's
>> worth noting for those of us who make 'net apps that broadband has
>> outpaced dial-up in the US and the UK.
>>
>> --
>>   Richard Gaskin
>>   Fourth World Media Corporation
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jul 25 23:32:42 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:32:42 -0700
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <0915a6acac3308b3c75330037be21454@adelphia.net>
References: <p05200f0cbf0b246ae667@[128.250.229.137]>	<42E593CC.2020702@sover.net>	<43fa833654f24e7f93efb6f614af6744@adelphia.net>
	<0915a6acac3308b3c75330037be21454@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <42E5AEDA.8090807@fourthworld.com>

Thomas McGrath III wrote:
> P.S. And for those that don't use RevOnline because of dial-up issues or 
> whatever then Concept stacks could be available on a CD for purchase 

Cool solution! Good idea.

It's funny, but through all the many times this thread comes up, I don't 
think that's ever been offered as a way around the bandwidth issue.

Thank you for the productive suggestion.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jul 25 23:43:09 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:43:09 -0500
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <355322CE-11A3-4E21-8052-83B7D58D2E50@writeme.com>
References: <p05200f0cbf0b246ae667@[128.250.229.137]>	<7C694F8E-9693-48F4-8B69-3E1CFB7EA8BB@writeme.com>	<42E585D0.5080201@chipp.com>
	<355322CE-11A3-4E21-8052-83B7D58D2E50@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <42E5B14D.8020904@hyperactivesw.com>

Dennis Brown wrote:

> I get the distinct impression that many actually do not want to see  the 
> exclusive club of knowledgeable Transcript programmers expand to  
> quickly by having good docs.

Sorry, but this really bothers me. If the other professionals are 
anything like me, they want Revolution to be wildly successful; our 
livelihood depends on it. It's why I volunteer so much of my time to the 
community -- to spread the word. If I were concerned about being in the 
elite, I wouldn't give a shred of advice on this list and I wouldn't be 
spending the hours I do on the scripting conferences. I would love to 
see the program as well-used and understood as, say, Flash or VB. I 
would like to see a huge installed base from which I could cherry-pick 
clients and subcontractors. I'd love for Revolution to be so wide-spread 
and well-known that there was a whole shelf at Barnes and Noble on 
Transcript and an entire business community looking for Rev programmers.

I want everyone and their grandma to know Revolution. It would increase 
my business a hundredfold.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Mon Jul 25 23:43:26 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 23:43:26 -0400
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <42E5AEDA.8090807@fourthworld.com>
References: <p05200f0cbf0b246ae667@[128.250.229.137]>	<42E593CC.2020702@sover.net>	<43fa833654f24e7f93efb6f614af6744@adelphia.net>
	<0915a6acac3308b3c75330037be21454@adelphia.net>
	<42E5AEDA.8090807@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <8855dca913a559840f34866261cee7d4@adelphia.net>

Richard,

You're more than welcome. I just hope that this time around people get 
to agree on an approach and maybe do something about it. We'll see. If 
not I will save my emails for the next round of this thread. ;-)

Tom

P.S. I took you advice!!!   August 1st is coming fast. Thanks.


On Jul 25, 2005, at 11:32 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>> P.S. And for those that don't use RevOnline because of dial-up issues 
>> or whatever then Concept stacks could be available on a CD for 
>> purchase
>
> Cool solution! Good idea.
>
> It's funny, but through all the many times this thread comes up, I 
> don't think that's ever been offered as a way around the bandwidth 
> issue.
>
> Thank you for the productive suggestion.
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation
>  __________________________________________________
>  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev
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> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
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>


Macintosh PowerBook G-4 OSX 10.3.9, OS 9.2.2, 1.25 GHz, 512MB RAM, Rev 
2.6


Advanced Media Group
Eagle Works Art & Sculpture
Semantic Compaction Systems
Prentke Romich Company
Prentke Romich International
SCIconics, LLC
Artist
Thomas J McGrath III
3mcgrath at adelphia.net





From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Mon Jul 25 23:53:15 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 23:53:15 -0400
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <42E5B14D.8020904@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <p05200f0cbf0b246ae667@[128.250.229.137]>	<7C694F8E-9693-48F4-8B69-3E1CFB7EA8BB@writeme.com>	<42E585D0.5080201@chipp.com>
	<355322CE-11A3-4E21-8052-83B7D58D2E50@writeme.com>
	<42E5B14D.8020904@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <43ba6661c09ab0b7562e913961d956de@adelphia.net>

Jac,

That is exactly the way the Director list serve is. Those who really 
know don't pass on what they learned and it is rather 'stuffy'. That is 
one reason why I abandoned Director in the end. The other was that 
every Director project 'looks' and 'feels' exactly the same, I mean you 
can tell a mile away if something was done in Director. I just didn't 
like that for the prototype work that I do. Where as this list and 
Rev's standalones are extremely fantastic.

I am hoping that Borders Book stores also end up with a whole book 
shelf full of Transcript/Revolution stuff.

P.S. Speaking of loving Rev and the people on this list, I want another 
Rev T-Shirt and Coffee Mug, I used mine everyday and, well, I spilled 
my coffee mug on the T-shirt and well now it's stained through. Anyone 
know if they will appear again???

Tom


On Jul 25, 2005, at 11:43 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Dennis Brown wrote:
>
>> I get the distinct impression that many actually do not want to see  
>> the exclusive club of knowledgeable Transcript programmers expand to  
>> quickly by having good docs.
>
> Sorry, but this really bothers me. If the other professionals are 
> anything like me, they want Revolution to be wildly successful; our 
> livelihood depends on it. It's why I volunteer so much of my time to 
> the community -- to spread the word. If I were concerned about being 
> in the elite, I wouldn't give a shred of advice on this list and I 
> wouldn't be spending the hours I do on the scripting conferences. I 
> would love to see the program as well-used and understood as, say, 
> Flash or VB. I would like to see a huge installed base from which I 
> could cherry-pick clients and subcontractors. I'd love for Revolution 
> to be so wide-spread and well-known that there was a whole shelf at 
> Barnes and Noble on Transcript and an entire business community 
> looking for Rev programmers.
>
> I want everyone and their grandma to know Revolution. It would 
> increase my business a hundredfold.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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>


Macintosh PowerBook G-4 OSX 10.3.9, OS 9.2.2, 1.25 GHz, 512MB RAM, Rev 
2.6


Advanced Media Group
Eagle Works Art & Sculpture
Semantic Compaction Systems
Prentke Romich Company
Prentke Romich International
SCIconics, LLC
Artist
Thomas J McGrath III
3mcgrath at adelphia.net





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jul 26 00:04:48 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:04:48 -0700
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <CD1DC2C4-D960-4D15-B03A-4ECA296D44CC@earthlink.net>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507251959100.2018-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<CD1DC2C4-D960-4D15-B03A-4ECA296D44CC@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <42E5B660.8030308@fourthworld.com>

Marian Petrides wrote:
>>> All the more reason to make sure Rev-related sites are included in  the
>>> DMOZ listing:
>>>
>>> <http://dmoz.org/Computers/Programming/Languages/Transcript/>
>>>
>>> DMOZ feeds most major search engines and is the world's largest
>>> hand-edited directory.  While no panacea, it helps folks find what
>>> they're looking for.
 >
 > Actually what IS DMOZ, now that you mention it.

The cool thing about DMOZ is that most folks never need to know a thing 
about it to still benefit from it.

DMOZ is a dumb acronym (Directory MOZilla) for the Open Directory 
Project, the world's largest hand-edited index of web sites.  Browse 
around in it from the link above and tell me you're not impressed. :)

Being hand-edited, its entries have a MUCH higher quality of search 
results than purely machine-derived search engines like Inktomi and the 
other spiders that feed Google, MSN, Yahoo, Alta Vista, AOL, etc.

For example there are a lot of people who spend their lives trying to 
game the seach engines, with crude tricks like keyword spamming and 
slightly less crude tricks like user-agent redirects.  Google's PageRank 
algo is revised at least quarterly to fight spammy sites but with DMOZ 
they don't stand a chance from the start, since a human editor will 
review the site to ensure it's relevant for the proposed category.

Also, the personal attention given to the index by its hundreds of 
volunteers means that sites are unusually well categorized, which lends 
even greater quality to the relevance of search results.

And being the biggest of such indexes, DMOZ (or OPD, whichever you 
prefer) it's extremely valuable to machine-driven search engines to help 
weight and validate search results.

And perhaps best of all it's a truly open project, so you can mirror it 
or use the data in a wide range of applications.

So for all these reasons, the major search engines incorporate the DMOZ 
database into their own systems for evaluating and ranking pages.  No 
matter which search engine you use, chances are the good results you've 
used were derived in part from DMOZ data.

I suggest submitting Rev sites to it on this list about once a quarter 
for that reason:  DMOZ' influence is vast, so the more sites we get 
posted there the more Rev-related concepts will influence the larger 
search pool.

There are only 25 sites there now, but I know of many more.  So in 
practial terms Rev is underrepresented there.  Once the number of sites 
listed there begins to more accurately reflect the true size of the 
community, then folks using search engines for things like 
"cross-platform development" and "internet applications" will have a 
better chance of having Rev-related sites appropriately ranked among 
their search engine results.

Chances are these sites are indexed anyway by spiders, but a listing at 
DMOZ can help raise spider frequency and sometimes the ranking as well.

For additional background see <http://dmoz.org/about.html>.

I think DMOZ is one of the best examples of community efforts ever. Hats 
off to the volunteers who make it possible!

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jul 26 00:10:17 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:10:17 -0700
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <43fa833654f24e7f93efb6f614af6744@adelphia.net>
References: <p05200f0cbf0b246ae667@[128.250.229.137]>	<42E593CC.2020702@sover.net>
	<43fa833654f24e7f93efb6f614af6744@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <42E5B7A9.2020806@fourthworld.com>

Thomas McGrath III wrote:
> They are also trying the online 
> conference thing with attached sample stacks (which is great). But this 
> amount of work will definitely interfere with bug fixes and enhancement 
> requests at the present time.

Actually, you can thank Jacque for most of the legwork on getting those 
conferences together.  She created the template stack, edits them when 
presenters submit them to her, posts them on the site, and re-posts them 
later with the conference transcript.  And of course she moderates the 
conferences, in addition to having thought the whole thing up, found 
knowledgeable Rev folks to do the presentations, and coordinates everything.

If that was billable time it'd total several thousand dollars.  But 
thanks to her volunteer efforts the folks at RunRev are still free to 
continue working on bug fixes, etc.

That's one of the many reasons we all enjoyed a "Praise be to Jacque" 
thread last week. :)

I wonder why the Online Conference stacks aren't linked to from within 
the Help files?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jul 26 00:16:59 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:16:59 -0700
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <43ba6661c09ab0b7562e913961d956de@adelphia.net>
References: <p05200f0cbf0b246ae667@[128.250.229.137]>	<7C694F8E-9693-48F4-8B69-3E1CFB7EA8BB@writeme.com>	<42E585D0.5080201@chipp.com>	<355322CE-11A3-4E21-8052-83B7D58D2E50@writeme.com>	<42E5B14D.8020904@hyperactivesw.com>
	<43ba6661c09ab0b7562e913961d956de@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <42E5B93B.6080407@fourthworld.com>

Thomas McGrath III wrote:
> Jac,
> 
> That is exactly the way the Director list serve is. Those who really 
> know don't pass on what they learned and it is rather 'stuffy'. That is 
> one reason why I abandoned Director in the end.

That's one of the things I like about being in my 40s: I got started 
when computing was mostly a bunch of techno-hippies who were all about 
sharing. :)

I remember a fella on an old WildCat BBS (that was before the Web was 
invented) who taught me how to parse Mac 'VERS' resources.  I vowed to 
return the favor once I knew something worth sharing, and he encouraged 
me to pay it forward, which I've been trying to do ever since.

His name was Gordon Apple, and he was a fellow member of the LA Mac User 
Group.  If I've ever posted anything useful to you and you happen across 
him at a conference, be sure to tell him "Thanks".  He's a swell guy, 
and his sharing spirit, like so many of the time, was a real inspiration 
to me.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From b.xavier at internet.lu  Tue Jul 26 00:22:31 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 06:22:31 +0200
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <42E56213.6010603@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <20050726041158.93E11824D68@mail.runrev.com>

Hi Chipp

i agree that it's hard to write both software and documentation
but by far, the hardest is the documentation ;)

i find the rev documentation more than enough but my experience
is hardly a beginners'.

still i learned without books and always by disecting the stacks
i found - and i never stopped looking for new stacks. 

If there is one difference between rev and HC, it's the lack of
a home stack that guides you in all simplicity to the examples.

I know, there's the revonline, but it's hardly a nice and simple
example users can't go unlocking themselves...

As far as TAOO, well, i should finish it first - gather those users
that dont like reading documentation and see what's not clear...

Once that step is done, surely the docs authoring will be simpler ;)

cheers
Xavier  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Chipp Walters
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 00:05
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Praise: Rev Documentation to the rescue
> 
> Dan Shafer wrote:
> 
> > Designing and writing good docs is nearly as hard as designing and 
> > writing good software.
> 
> I beg to differ! How many software products/code libraries do 
> you know of which don't even have documentation. Poor Xavier 
> and his TAOO project is a great example, while he has told us 
> some great ideas-- w/out *good* documentation, it's really 
> hard to follow... (no disrespect intended, X, I still love you;-).
> 
> In fact, without good documentation, much software is 
> rendered unusable. 
> A case might even be made that without the books authored by 
> the '3 Dans,' Hypercard may have never been adopted so widely.
> 
> best,
> 
> Chipp
> 
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From dweeble at wi.rr.com  Tue Jul 26 00:38:32 2005
From: dweeble at wi.rr.com (Michael)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 23:38:32 -0500
Subject: Shell "start" with value
Message-ID: <1122352712.5532.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hello, 

Have run into something I just seem to not solve and asking if someone
may have an answer to this one.
I'm running the shell command for and environment add and need to add
the value with it, but of couse just get IPLOC=tIPadd.
tIPadd is the value of and ipaddress. 
Anyone know how I can get this in there, its WinXP so I'm using the
setx.exe file to get the environment add global.
 
get shell ("start" && location & "setx.exe IPLoc tIPadd")

Thanks for any help 
Michael




From b.xavier at internet.lu  Tue Jul 26 00:47:37 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 06:47:37 +0200
Subject: Shell "start" with value
In-Reply-To: <1122352712.5532.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20050726043703.ECD43824F4A@mail.runrev.com>

for one, if there is a space in location, this will fail.
You will need to eclose it in quotes.

Second the iploc and tipadd are strings not values in the
quotes.

 get shell ("start" && quote & location & "setx.exe" & quote && IPLoc &&
tIPadd)

should work better

cheers
Xavier
http://monsieurx.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Michael
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 06:39
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Shell "start" with value
> 
> Hello, 
> 
> Have run into something I just seem to not solve and asking 
> if someone may have an answer to this one.
> I'm running the shell command for and environment add and 
> need to add the value with it, but of couse just get IPLOC=tIPadd.
> tIPadd is the value of and ipaddress. 
> Anyone know how I can get this in there, its WinXP so I'm 
> using the setx.exe file to get the environment add global.
>  
> get shell ("start" && location & "setx.exe IPLoc tIPadd")
> 
> Thanks for any help
> Michael
> 
> 
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From revdan at danshafer.com  Tue Jul 26 01:04:27 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:04:27 -0700
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <42E56213.6010603@chipp.com>
References: <FB0312F8-A2E5-49FF-BE30-3066CAAC8A7E@canelasoftware.com>	<p06200704bf0ae0a5638f@[10.0.1.2]>
	<216F385F-8DC1-4ADA-A4E6-DB3AED5BF5D9@danshafer.com>
	<42E56213.6010603@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <7EE7EEAE-5AE7-470A-992F-67F380F0AE70@danshafer.com>

I almost said "harder," Chipp, but I figured that being in a tiny  
minority here (writer first, coder second) I'd risk the wrath of the  
list. I get enough of that as it is. :-)

Dan

On Jul 25, 2005, at 3:05 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Dan Shafer wrote:
>
>
>> Designing and writing good docs is nearly as hard as designing  
>> and  writing good software.
>>
>
> I beg to differ! How many software products/code libraries do you  
> know of which don't even have documentation. Poor Xavier and his  
> TAOO project is a great example, while he has told us some great  
> ideas-- w/out *good* documentation, it's really hard to follow...  
> (no disrespect intended, X, I still love you;-).
>
> In fact, without good documentation, much software is rendered  
> unusable. A case might even be made that without the books authored  
> by the '3 Dans,' Hypercard may have never been adopted so widely.
>
> best,
>
> Chipp
>
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue Jul 26 01:04:17 2005
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:04:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Creating Tutorial/Docs Critical Mass
In-Reply-To: <20050726043703.ECD43824F4A@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507252154460.3850-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Well, if you're gonna bitch about something, you should be willing to do
something about what you're bitching about.

So, as my penance, I am going to try to make a webpage that tries really,
awfully, hard to be a comprehensive listing of the various Rev tutorial
thingies available.

I tried googling it and found this:

http://www.metacollection.com/dir/Computers/Programming/Languages/Transcript/

Anybody willing to claim it?

Anyway, you can help me by sending me your favorite Rev-related tutorial
sites.  The following additional info would be helpful:

(1) URL
(2) Topic(s) covered
(3) Format of material (PDF? Word Doc? Stack? etc.)
(4) User Level (Non-programmer; Rev Newbie; Average Rev Programmer;
Advanced Rev Programmer; Advanced Programmer but New/ish to Rev)
(5) Anything else you want to add (bios?).

Also helpful would probably be a listing of commercial Rev apps.

I think I probably even have a fair amount of space for free material
(e.g., stacks) in my department's user account that are of 'educational'
value (that is, stuff for which you don't want money in return).

I can also probably do links to not-free stuff if it is of reasonably
educational value.

Out.

Judy



From revdan at danshafer.com  Tue Jul 26 01:13:00 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:13:00 -0700
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507251736310.428-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507251736310.428-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <8A2DB0C5-03DB-4127-ACFC-8F9AC4A84E41@danshafer.com>

I wonder how many of the people complaining about the lack of  
tutorial/intro stuff have viewed any or all of the video tutorials  
that are included free with Rev/DC. I did. I went through all of  
them. For a beginner, they seemed to me to be quite good, easy to  
understand, focused, well-paced and helpful. Since they are in your  
face by default when you install a new release of the product, it  
seems to me that they go a long way toward helping new users get  
comfortable with the tool.

Or am I missing something? Or maybe (gasp!) I'm just wrong.

Happens all the time.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author
http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
 From http://www.revolutionpros.com, Click "My Stuff"





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jul 26 01:15:01 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:15:01 -0700
Subject: Creating Tutorial/Docs Critical Mass
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507252154460.3850-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507252154460.3850-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <42E5C6D5.5040307@fourthworld.com>

Judy Perry wrote:
> I tried googling it and found this:
> 
> http://www.metacollection.com/dir/Computers/Programming/Languages/Transcript/
> 
> Anybody willing to claim it?

Welcome to DMOZ.  That's one of the many DMOZ mirrors.

The quickest way to build that list is to use the "Suggest URL" link at 
the top of the page at the main DMOZ site:
<http://dmoz.org/Computers/Programming/Languages/Transcript/>

It's great that you want to help post the listings, but be sure to list 
the site owner's email address as the submitter so we don't get flagged 
for spamming.

Thanks for helping to build the Open Directory.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From revdan at danshafer.com  Tue Jul 26 01:21:59 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:21:59 -0700
Subject: Another Doc Thought
Message-ID: <ABD5ED09-8142-4113-8BB9-444088D977E4@danshafer.com>

It may not be all that obvious but one of the reasons there's not  
better documentation on SOME of the things in the Rev IDE is because  
someone knows they're going to change in an upcoming revision and  
doesn't want to spend gobs of time documenting something that will  
soon be obsolete.

I KNOW that's the case about at least one aspect of things because  
the RR folks were kind enough to steer me away from a project I  
thought of a while back by warning me that it would be changing in an  
upcoming release.

Already my first book is, while not obsolete, at least a little aged  
because of IDE UI changes that took place between its release and the  
2.6 product.

That's one reason I hate to write printed books these days. An eBook  
can be published and then updated as needed one time at no production  
cost.




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author
http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
 From http://www.revolutionpros.com, Click "My Stuff"





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jul 26 01:27:58 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:27:58 -0700
Subject: Another Doc Thought
In-Reply-To: <ABD5ED09-8142-4113-8BB9-444088D977E4@danshafer.com>
References: <ABD5ED09-8142-4113-8BB9-444088D977E4@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <42E5C9DE.2060603@fourthworld.com>

Dan Shafer wrote:
> It may not be all that obvious but one of the reasons there's not  
> better documentation on SOME of the things in the Rev IDE is because  
> someone knows they're going to change in an upcoming revision and  
> doesn't want to spend gobs of time documenting something that will  soon 
> be obsolete.
> 
> I KNOW that's the case about at least one aspect of things because  the 
> RR folks were kind enough to steer me away from a project I  thought of 
> a while back by warning me that it would be changing in an  upcoming 
> release.
> 
> Already my first book is, while not obsolete, at least a little aged  
> because of IDE UI changes that took place between its release and the  
> 2.6 product.
> 
> That's one reason I hate to write printed books these days. An eBook  
> can be published and then updated as needed one time at no production  
> cost.

Amen to that, brother.  I did the technical edit for "GoLive 5 Bible", 
and it took months to write, test, edit, and revise.  Once released, 
like most books on software products it had a shelf life only slightly 
longer than the time it took to write it.  GL6 came out less than a year 
later, GL7 less than a year after that.

Most software undergoes a significant UI overhaul on the average of 
about once a year.

I will never write a book on a specific software product.  I'd write 
about the language happily, but the UI?  Fuggedaboudit.  :)

But the question here is:  Is Rev's UI really that opaque?  Or is it the 
underlying concepts which drive the UI?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue Jul 26 01:29:45 2005
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:29:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Creating Tutorial/Docs Critical Mass
In-Reply-To: <42E5C6D5.5040307@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507252228540.3850-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Okay.. ummm, so you mean in addition to citing each URL you suggest the
site owner's email addy?

Just want to be certain...

(somehow, I should have know you'd know who/what it was...)

Judy

On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Judy Perry wrote:
> > I tried googling it and found this:
> >
> > http://www.metacollection.com/dir/Computers/Programming/Languages/Transcript/
> >
> > Anybody willing to claim it?
>
> Welcome to DMOZ.  That's one of the many DMOZ mirrors.
>
> The quickest way to build that list is to use the "Suggest URL" link at
> the top of the page at the main DMOZ site:
> <http://dmoz.org/Computers/Programming/Languages/Transcript/>
>
> It's great that you want to help post the listings, but be sure to list
> the site owner's email address as the submitter so we don't get flagged
> for spamming.
>
> Thanks for helping to build the Open Directory.
>
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Managing Editor, revJournal
>   _______________________________________________________
>   Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jul 26 01:36:05 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:36:05 -0700
Subject: Creating Tutorial/Docs Critical Mass
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507252228540.3850-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507252228540.3850-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <42E5CBC5.1030702@fourthworld.com>

Judy Perry wrote:
> Okay.. ummm, so you mean in addition to citing each URL you suggest the
> site owner's email addy?
> 
> Just want to be certain...
> 
> (somehow, I should have know you'd know who/what it was...)

I'm just a big DMOZ fan.  Love those folks!

Yes, check out the submission form at the "Suggest URL" link at the top of:
<http://dmoz.org/Computers/Programming/Languages/Transcript/>

It's a short form, and includes a box for comments where I usually say 
something like  "Thank you for you hard working making DMOZ so damn cool" :)

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From revdan at danshafer.com  Tue Jul 26 01:44:50 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:44:50 -0700
Subject: Another Doc Thought
In-Reply-To: <42E5C9DE.2060603@fourthworld.com>
References: <ABD5ED09-8142-4113-8BB9-444088D977E4@danshafer.com>
	<42E5C9DE.2060603@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C54ECE0D-260E-4904-9428-101A8DBED027@danshafer.com>

Yes, indeed, brother Richard, that IS the question, is it not?

I think what we're hearing here -- and I'm certainly interpolating --  
is a cry for the book described at RevCon West as an "architecture"  
book. A book that shows in painstaking detail, step by step through  
the IDE and the language, how to build various kinds of applications.  
That is a huge task. Huge.

(BTW, there's another issue for me that probably doesn't concern  
anyone else. When people on the list contribute free documentation- 
like things -- tutorial stacks, how-tos, etc. -- I want at one and  
the same time to applaud loudly and groan quietly. Because, you see,  
if someone ELSE is writing something on the same topic and perhaps  
putting in a lot of effort and time and energy with the hope of  
selling the product and someone else comes along and offers something  
-- even if not quite as good or complete -- for free, it crushes the  
spirit if not the market. A clearing-house for volunteer effort would  
help avoid such things but that begs the question of who would set up  
and manage such a thing.

Sigh.


On Jul 25, 2005, at 10:27 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> But the question here is:  Is Rev's UI really that opaque?  Or is  
> it the underlying concepts which drive the UI?
>



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author
http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
 From http://www.revolutionpros.com, Click "My Stuff"





From yoursignup at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 26 02:02:30 2005
From: yoursignup at yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:02:30 -1000
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <42E5B14D.8020904@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEMAHJAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>

Hi All,

This is more in response to the thread, than any one person's input.

Being new to the whole stack/card paradigm, as well as, to
x-talk/Transcript, but not being new to programming, design, database,
networking, messaging, web and application development (for over 25 years),
I am probably as familiar as anyone, with the frustrations being expressed
here.

That said, I think the whole hue and cry here is for a panacea or holy
grail. A one "place" where all our questions will be answered. A wiki, a CD,
another book, a better index, etc. Don't get me wrong, these are all great
ideas, and I'd love to see some or all of them come to fruition. But, in the
end, if each were to be implemented, they would actually increase the number
of places answers can be found, rather than consolidate all answers into the
mythical "one place."

And, this diversity is a good thing! The frustration we all experience is
not knowing where to look! We know from personal experience that we can do
something, but are not sure exactly the best way, or specifically how to
implement it Rev. Combine this with the urgency of having to come up with a
deliverable, by the end of the day, and not sure where to find the answer,
causes us to scream, "This is so basic, why is it taking me so long to find
this!?" "Why isn't this spelled out in the documentation!?" "This should be
on the front page of the book!"

The fact is, the answers are in the diversity of this community. Some of you
have websites, some books, some articles, some sample stacks, and of course,
the wonderful participation of so many in this truly great forum.

This is why I appreciated so much Eric's recent release of his Resources
Picker. It's because it's impossible for any one person or group to
consolidate every type of information.

But, if I can search the archives of this list to get a clue, of what I
should be looking for, go to someone's site and find an excellent article
they wrote, find a elegantly written sample stack on someone else's site or
Rev Online, go to the documentation and look up the syntax I have seen in
the samples and referenced in the articles and emails, and then, if I'm
still unsure, post a hopefully intelligent question to this list and get an
answer in hours (sometimes minutes), then the programming world of Rev,
becomes my oyster.

So, I guess what I'm saying is, just keep doing what you are doing! Keep
writing those articles, sample stacks, emails to this list, challenges,
plugins, externals, suggestions and all the rest. Just let Eric's free
Resources Picker know where you put it, and then we'll all have the best of
both worlds, indexed diversity! :-))

Jim









From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jul 26 02:47:19 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 23:47:19 -0700
Subject: Another Doc Thought
In-Reply-To: <C54ECE0D-260E-4904-9428-101A8DBED027@danshafer.com>
References: <ABD5ED09-8142-4113-8BB9-444088D977E4@danshafer.com>	<42E5C9DE.2060603@fourthworld.com>
	<C54ECE0D-260E-4904-9428-101A8DBED027@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <42E5DC77.3050909@fourthworld.com>

Dan Shafer wrote:
> Yes, indeed, brother Richard, that IS the question, is it not?
> 
> I think what we're hearing here -- and I'm certainly interpolating --  
> is a cry for the book described at RevCon West as an "architecture"  
> book. A book that shows in painstaking detail, step by step through  the 
> IDE and the language, how to build various kinds of applications.  That 
> is a huge task. Huge.

Very.

But if we could teach the art of dissection, the people could learn from 
existing code without need as much explanation.

Am I dreaming?

I learned so much dissecting HyperCard and SuperCard examples, almost as 
much as the dictionaries.  Never really read much of anything else from 
either of those products but the dictionary and sample code.  Maybe 
that's helpful, or maybe I'm just a freak.


> (BTW, there's another issue for me that probably doesn't concern  anyone 
> else. When people on the list contribute free documentation- like things 
> -- tutorial stacks, how-tos, etc. -- I want at one and  the same time to 
> applaud loudly and groan quietly. Because, you see,  if someone ELSE is 
> writing something on the same topic and perhaps  putting in a lot of 
> effort and time and energy with the hope of  selling the product and 
> someone else comes along and offers something  -- even if not quite as 
> good or complete -- for free, it crushes the  spirit if not the market. 
> A clearing-house for volunteer effort would  help avoid such things but 
> that begs the question of who would set up  and manage such a thing.

I can't imagine there are that many potentially in conflict.  Maybe the 
RevDocs group could be used for that?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jul 26 02:50:22 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 23:50:22 -0700
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEMAHJAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
References: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEMAHJAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42E5DD2E.4020204@fourthworld.com>

Jim Bufalini wrote:
> So, I guess what I'm saying is, just keep doing what you are doing! 

Well said.

People complain on this list about many things, but never about this 
list.  Instead, the write about how valuable the list is for learning.

And the best thing is that all those who complain on this list are on 
this list.

So just keep the questions coming, and thousands of dollars' worth of 
personal tutoring will continue to happen here each and every day.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  __________________________________________________
  Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev


From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Tue Jul 26 03:17:06 2005
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 00:17:06 -0700
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <86F9CBDA-11CE-4E76-AD10-0209C05A368E@danshafer.com>
References: <FB0312F8-A2E5-49FF-BE30-3066CAAC8A7E@canelasoftware.com>
	<p06200704bf0ae0a5638f@[10.0.1.2]>
	<323460B9-13F8-4049-B4EB-3FCD433A9277@writeme.com>
	<86F9CBDA-11CE-4E76-AD10-0209C05A368E@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <D2B77D16-8010-498B-9EBA-54505090E7A8@inspiredlogic.com>

The wiki is not dead, just resting. The original domain has lapsed.  
You can reach it at:

http://poetickat.com:8080/revdocs

I put a password on it because some people vandalized it. The user is  
rev, the password is magic -- how many people remember that password?

The problem at this point is that the wiki is horribly out of date. I  
think it's based on 1.1.1. I think I did an export of 2.x to html,  
but never went to the trouble of wiki-fying it.

The new documentation format allows for "web notes." I believe that  
was supposed to be a wiki-like feature, but I don't know if it ever  
got wired up. Might be worth checking into. If it isn't wired up, it  
wouldn't be hard to tie in a wiki page to the existing docs. Heck,  
with Chipp's web plugin it should be trivial. Just create a stack  
that displays the wiki, then let it grab the current page of the docs  
to know what wiki page to display. Easy peasey. Okay, maybe just easy  
carrotsey.

gc

On Jul 25, 2005, at 12:26 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:

> Back in early 2002, Geoff Canyon (who hasn't been seen around these  
> parts in a while) started a Rev Docs Wiki. He exported all the docs  
> to an XML format as I recall and populated the Wiki with them as  
> starting points. It was met with a resounding thud.
>
> I'm sending Geoff a note to see if he's still got the original  
> stuff around (the site is dead) and whether he'd be willing to  
> share that as a starting point. I would be happy to step up to the  
> plate and get something like this kick-started and at least help  
> lead the effort. I can supply a hosting place for it. But I'm not  
> sure this is an idea whose time has yet come. Would it get lots of  
> use and update? WOuld RR support it in some meaningful ways?
>
>
> On Jul 25, 2005, at 11:59 AM, Dennis Brown wrote:
>
>
>> Tim,
>>
>> I have also posted in the past about the Docs merits and  
>> shortfalls and also suggested a wiki like you did.  A wiki would  
>> be great for fleshing out the docs in depth.
>>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author
> http://www.shafermedia.com
> Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
> From http://www.revolutionpros.com, Click "My Stuff"
>
>
>
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> subscription preferences:
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>



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue Jul 26 03:27:05 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:27:05 +0200
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEMAHJAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
References: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEMAHJAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <78E9E579-7317-4CF7-919B-B534AE422BBC@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Jim,

Thanks for the kind words.
Finding accurate information in a very large documentation, relevant  
example stacks to get started, tools or tutorials on web-sites, etc.  
is rather difficult when beginning... and later too!
Information is scattered in many places but this diversity is a sign  
of good health.
It's the reason why I imagined Resources Picker not as a plugin, but  
a relational tool.
The plugin, from keywords you enter, searches 40 relevant websites  
(customisable list), 200 Rev Online stacks, 100 RevNet resources,  
2000 docs files, 300 000 mailing lists contributions and 8 000 000  
000 web pages if needed :-)
At the moment, more than 100 developers have dowloaded this plugin  
since 10 days.
Thanks to all of them.

Le 26 juil. 05 ? 08:02, Jim Bufalini a ?crit :

> This is why I appreciated so much Eric's recent release of his  
> Resources
> Picker. It's because it's impossible for any one person or group to
> consolidate every type of information.
>
> But, if I can search the archives of this list to get a clue, of  
> what I
> should be looking for, go to someone's site and find an excellent  
> article
> they wrote, find a elegantly written sample stack on someone else's  
> site or
> Rev Online, go to the documentation and look up the syntax I have  
> seen in
> the samples and referenced in the articles and emails, and then, if  
> I'm
> still unsure, post a hopefully intelligent question to this list  
> and get an
> answer in hours (sometimes minutes), then the programming world of  
> Rev,
> becomes my oyster.
>
> So, I guess what I'm saying is, just keep doing what you are doing!  
> Keep
> writing those articles, sample stacks, emails to this list,  
> challenges,
> plugins, externals, suggestions and all the rest. Just let Eric's free
> Resources Picker know where you put it, and then we'll all have the  
> best of
> both worlds, indexed diversity! :-))

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From briany at qldlearning.com  Tue Jul 26 03:32:18 2005
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 00:32:18 -0700
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <78E9E579-7317-4CF7-919B-B534AE422BBC@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEMAHJAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
	<78E9E579-7317-4CF7-919B-B534AE422BBC@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <b248cf65cf765d510a94edcfbd59ea4a@qldlearning.com>

Eric,

I agree, this plugin is a great tool! What I love about it is it 
encourages me personally to make contributions knowing that they can be 
found. Here's my question- is there a method to be shared for making 
our own stacks for Rev Online "friendly" to your plugin and easily 
searched? Kind of like making a website "search engine optimized" 
(without all of the nasty tricks of course)...?

> Thanks for the kind words.
> Finding accurate information in a very large documentation, relevant 
> example stacks to get started, tools or tutorials on web-sites, etc. 
> is rather difficult when beginning... and later too!
> Information is scattered in many places but this diversity is a sign 
> of good health.
> It's the reason why I imagined Resources Picker not as a plugin, but a 
> relational tool.
> The plugin, from keywords you enter, searches 40 relevant websites 
> (customisable list), 200 Rev Online stacks, 100 RevNet resources, 2000 
> docs files, 300 000 mailing lists contributions and 8 000 000 000 web 
> pages if needed :-)
> At the moment, more than 100 developers have dowloaded this plugin 
> since 10 days.
> Thanks to all of them.



From joel.guillod at net2000.ch  Tue Jul 26 03:46:00 2005
From: joel.guillod at net2000.ch (Joel Guillod)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:46:00 +0200
Subject: empty ask result + ok = result:cancel
In-Reply-To: <20050725024651.A2B43824935@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050725024651.A2B43824935@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3705D625-FC45-43CD-BBEC-34DDB19A0393@net2000.ch>

Dear Mister X,

I mentioned such a bug (#3019) in build 91 and it has been  
wonderfully fixed for the current downloable build.

In  the msg box, "put  version(), buildnumber()" should reply  
"2.6.5,108". Otherwise download and reinstall Rev 2.6 again.

Also I agree with Eric, you should place the result() function just  
after the ask statement:

    ask "Replace what:" with lselection
    if result() is "cancel" then exit mouseup
    put it into x

Hope this help.

Joel G


Le 25 juil. 05 ? 04:46, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com a  
?crit :

> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 20:04:06 +0200
> From: "MisterX" <b.xavier at internet.lu>
> ...
>   ask "Replace what:" with lselection
>   put it into x
>   get the result
>   if it is "cancel" then exit mouseup
>


From xbury.cs at clearstream.com  Tue Jul 26 03:49:05 2005
From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:49:05 +0200
Subject: empty ask result + ok = result:cancel
In-Reply-To: <3705D625-FC45-43CD-BBEC-34DDB19A0393@net2000.ch>
Message-ID: <OFC0C0927E.E265505D-ONC125704A.002ADE6B-C125704A.002AD892@deutsche-boerse.com>

Joel,

Thanks, Eric told me offlist about this version problem. I uploaded this 
morning the fix and it works
as expected. I also closed the bug...

Thanks for the help
Cheers
Xavier

use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 26/07/2005 09:46:00:

> Dear Mister X,
> 
> I mentioned such a bug (#3019) in build 91 and it has been 
> wonderfully fixed for the current downloable build.
> 
> In  the msg box, "put  version(), buildnumber()" should reply 
> "2.6.5,108". Otherwise download and reinstall Rev 2.6 again.
> 
> Also I agree with Eric, you should place the result() function just 
> after the ask statement:
> 
>     ask "Replace what:" with lselection
>     if result() is "cancel" then exit mouseup
>     put it into x
> 
> Hope this help.
> 
> Joel G
> 
> 
> Le 25 juil. 05 ? 04:46, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com a 
> ?crit :
> 
> > Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 20:04:06 +0200
> > From: "MisterX" <b.xavier at internet.lu>
> > ...
> >   ask "Replace what:" with lselection
> >   put it into x
> >   get the result
> >   if it is "cancel" then exit mouseup
> >
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue Jul 26 04:03:23 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:03:23 +0200
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <b248cf65cf765d510a94edcfbd59ea4a@qldlearning.com>
References: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEMAHJAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
	<78E9E579-7317-4CF7-919B-B534AE422BBC@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<b248cf65cf765d510a94edcfbd59ea4a@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <A0439ADF-B4EF-46B7-983E-D73E082CB92B@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Brian,

Thanks.
Yes, your question highlights an important thing:
As now Rev Online descriptions can be searched by Resources Picker  
and as you told me off list, it would be a very good idea for all to  
pay attention to the description for any stack uploaded to Rev Online  
by specifying relevant keywords which will help RP to display the  
more accurate information.
As a reminder, any stack description can be edited at any moment :-)

 From your off list mail:

> For example, pretend I wrote a simple media player example. I might  
> write:
>
> Description:
> This stack shows how to make a mp3 player in Revolution.
>
> BUT if I know it might be searched I would be smart and do  
> something like:
>
> Description:
> This stacks show how to make a mp3 player in Revolution.
> keywords: audio, player object, pause, rewind, fast forward, mp3
>
> This way people looking for "audio player" might better find it! I  
> guess I'm just basically thinking, if people were made aware that  
> their RevOnline stacks can be searched for, they might write better  
> descriptions =)

Le 26 juil. 05 ? 09:32, Brian Yennie a ?crit :

> I agree, this plugin is a great tool! What I love about it is it  
> encourages me personally to make contributions knowing that they  
> can be found. Here's my question- is there a method to be shared  
> for making our own stacks for Rev Online "friendly" to your plugin  
> and easily searched? Kind of like making a website "search engine  
> optimized" (without all of the nasty tricks of course)...?


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Tue Jul 26 04:38:43 2005
From: FlexibleLearning at aol.com (FlexibleLearning at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 04:38:43 EDT
Subject: All in One Place (was: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue)
Message-ID: <cd.2cfa6869.30175093@aol.com>

As Jim wrote, there is no "one place" for all  knowledge and Resources Picker 
is a great tool. Add the Scripter's Scrapbook as  a place to store wisom, 
code, links to both web and local documents, stacks and  resources you have a 
great way to manage what you find as a present solution and  future personal 
reference archive. All information may not be in one place, but  you can 
coordinate what's important to you in one place!

/H

The  Scripter's Scrapbook
www.FlexibleLearning.com/ssbk.htm  



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue Jul 26 04:45:37 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:45:37 +0200
Subject: Rant Re Rev Documentation
In-Reply-To: <p062102b1bf0b119d3ddd@[192.168.2.153]>
References: <p06110400bf08a3e4dac1@[66.81.39.144]>
	<42E3215F.8010500@comcast.net>	<p06210200bf09ea6246cb@[66.81.59.124]>
	<42E49505.3020102@chipp.com>
	<p062102b1bf0b119d3ddd@[192.168.2.153]>
Message-ID: <7B10B57F-AEBD-48F4-B698-E929478F857C@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Jeanne,

I found the cookbook so useful... from Rev 2.0 to 2.2.1 :-( that I  
included a cookbook search in my Resources Picker plugin lately  
released.
So it's a kind of rebirth: if you have any cookbook, you can search  
it with keywords within Rev 2.6 with RP and display example stacks :-)

Le 26 juil. 05 ? 00:12, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto a ?crit :

> I should also mention that in older versions of the docs, there was  
> a "Cookbook" section (many of the items written by our own Jacque)  
> with extended annotated examples of useful handlers, and linked to  
> the dictionary via the See Also section. There weren't enough of  
> these - fewer than a hundred, I think - but the plan was to grow  
> them gradually until each dictionary word had a cookbook example or  
> two where you could see how it was used. (It looks like the  
> Cookbook was one of the things removed in the newer versions of the  
> docs, though - don't want to have anyone wasting time digging for  
> it. But you may be able to find it if you have an older version.) I  
> agree that there need to be a lot more worked examples.


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From heather at runrev.com  Tue Jul 26 04:49:42 2005
From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Nagey)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:49:42 +0100
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <20050726045545.1D06F824F66@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050726045545.1D06F824F66@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <240d4a1113938dfa7924feabf8b84998@runrev.com>

Dear List Folks,

I've been reading through this thread, and there are a couple of things 
I'd like to address.

First, we are all aware of the need to continually improve the 
documentation, and we are working on it. We are not sitting on our 
hands going "ok, great, we did that now we can forget all about it". 
However I would like to point out the immense amount of effort that has 
already gone into making the existing docs as comprehensive as they 
are. It was one of the first things we did when we started the whole 
Revolution project. We hired a dedicated docs writer (the excellent 
Jeanne Devoto in case anyone has forgotten) and the creation of the 
dictionary and user guide took years, not months.

More recently, after listening to feedback on this list and from users 
generally, we undertook the creation of the video tutorials. We are 
continuing to work on the integration and expansion of this material. 
Regarding needing a fast connection to use them, you can already get 
these on CD, if you purchase either the Revolution or Dreamcard trial 
CD, the video tutorials will be on it.

Regarding the suggestion that we provide a centralised list of useful 
links for our users, we do: check out

http://support.runrev.com/resources/useful_sites.php

If you know of any additional links that should be there, please send 
them to support at runrev.com.

It's a tough balancing act, how much time should we put into improving 
and adding to the docs, versus how much time we should put into 
improving and adding to the program itself. We try to do both. 
Sometimes one gets a little ahead of the other. On the whole though, 
both aspects of Revolution are moving forward.

Finally, this list is a great resource, and as listmom I personally 
have *never* seen any indication that anyone on the list holds back 
information with the intent to keep Revolution exclusive. Quite the 
reverse. We at Runrev are incredibly grateful to the good folks on this 
list, for being the wonderful evangelists that they are.

Warm regards,

Heather Nagey, Customer Support Manager
Runtime Revolution Ltd
www.runrev.com



From yoursignup at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 26 06:00:38 2005
From: yoursignup at yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 00:00:38 -1000
Subject: All in One Place (was: Praise: Rev Documentation to the rescue)
In-Reply-To: <cd.2cfa6869.30175093@aol.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEMEHJAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>

Sorry, forgot to mention I use Scripter's Handbook, also. It's right on my
desktop, and one of the first things I found, when I was starting, to help
me learn Rev. That is, after going through all the Rev. tutorials (to
whomever it was on here that wondered, if anyone actually does go through
the tutorials).

Now, if we could just combine this thread, with the one that preceded it on
standards and interoperability of plugins, then everyone could remain
programmers, instead of thinking about becoming librarian wannabees. :-)

Jim

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of
> FlexibleLearning at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 10:39 PM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: All in One Place (was: Praise: Rev Documentation to the rescue)
>
>
> As Jim wrote, there is no "one place" for all  knowledge and
> Resources Picker
> is a great tool. Add the Scripter's Scrapbook as  a place to store wisom,
> code, links to both web and local documents, stacks and
> resources you have a
> great way to manage what you find as a present solution and
> future personal
> reference archive. All information may not be in one place, but  you can
> coordinate what's important to you in one place!
>
> /H
>
> The  Scripter's Scrapbook
> www.FlexibleLearning.com/ssbk.htm
>
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> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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From bvg at mac.com  Tue Jul 26 06:34:48 2005
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:34:48 +0200
Subject: ChatRev DOWN!
In-Reply-To: <42E56CCF.7040102@ehug.info>
References: <2c58c7d33f7901ac9c4f26e2cb63ba84@mac.com>
	<42E56CCF.7040102@ehug.info>
Message-ID: <6a790409fb11f6e589ee964b9fa2a849@mac.com>

Hi all

I know that most of you don't care, but ChatRev is up again, chat away!

Bjoernke

-- 

http://contest.wecode.org
Now running: the first ChatRev coding contest!
sponsors:
Altuit
Andre Garzia
Fourth World
Karl Becker
Runtime Revolution
TidBITS in cooperation with eHUG



From xbury.cs at clearstream.com  Tue Jul 26 06:56:15 2005
From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:56:15 +0200
Subject: ChatRev DOWN!
In-Reply-To: <6a790409fb11f6e589ee964b9fa2a849@mac.com>
Message-ID: <OF17FAEEF6.86D78019-ONC125704A.003C0666-C125704A.003BFB37@deutsche-boerse.com>

who said they didn't care?

ChatRev is by far the best communications channel for RunRev ;)

I care! ;)

use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 26/07/2005 12:34:48:

> Hi all
> 
> I know that most of you don't care, but ChatRev is up again, chat away!
> 
> Bjoernke
> 
> -- 
> 
> http://contest.wecode.org
> Now running: the first ChatRev coding contest!
> sponsors:
> Altuit
> Andre Garzia
> Fourth World
> Karl Becker
> Runtime Revolution
> TidBITS in cooperation with eHUG
> 
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From europe at ehug.info  Tue Jul 26 07:08:55 2005
From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 13:08:55 +0200
Subject: ChatRev DOWN!
In-Reply-To: <42E56CCF.7040102@ehug.info>
References: <2c58c7d33f7901ac9c4f26e2cb63ba84@mac.com>
	<42E56CCF.7040102@ehug.info>
Message-ID: <42E619C7.3080807@ehug.info>

Hi!

I am taking my ChatRev server off-line again and hope to see you 
on the usual server, soon.

Best,

Mark


Mark Schonewille wrote:
 > Dear ChatRev fans,
 >
 > During the next two days, I will be running the ChatRev 
server on my
 > MacOS 9 iMac. This gives you the opportunity to chat between the
 > crashes. The IP URL for this server is
 >
 > www.economy-x-talk.com/ip.txt
 >
 > and the ip address is
 >
 > 212.129.171.4
 >
 > Depending on the client you use, you have to enter either one 
of them.
 > The server is running on port 8008. You may have to register 
again. If
 > there is a problem, you can send an e-mail to 
support at economy-x-talk.com.
 >
 > I will run this server for a short time only and hope that 
Bj?rnke will
 > have his own server up and running very soon.
 >
 > Best regards,
 >
 > Mark

-- 

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mailto:europe at ehug.info
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http://www.economy-x-talk.com

Please inform me about vacancies in the field of
general economics at your institute. I am also looking
for new freelance programming projects.



From paolo.mazza at neol.it  Tue Jul 26 09:02:43 2005
From: paolo.mazza at neol.it (paolo mazza)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:02:43 +0200
Subject: CGI MAC OSX
In-Reply-To: <42E1389D.6080204@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A97445F6@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov> <,	>
	<fc.000f58e5009fc3cf3b9aca001fee1469.9fc3dd@fc.neol.it> <,>
	<42E1389D.6080204@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <fc.000f58e5009fde533b9aca001fee1469.9fde67@fc.neol.it>

jacque at hyperactivesw.com on Venerd?, 22 luglio 2005 at 19:19 +0100 wrote:
>
>The last Darwin engine available is 2.1.2. This version still works 
>fine. You can get it here:
>
><http://www.runrev.com/downloads/engines/2.1.2/cgi/osx.zip>

Why only  the engines for windows and Linux are available?

I would like to connect to a My-sql database from the CGI and I think I am
going to face some problems using 2.1.2 version of Rev.


Best regards
>
>




From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Tue Jul 26 09:12:07 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:12:07 -0400
Subject: Another Doc Thought
In-Reply-To: <42E5C9DE.2060603@fourthworld.com>
References: <ABD5ED09-8142-4113-8BB9-444088D977E4@danshafer.com>
	<42E5C9DE.2060603@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <282E7BED-10D7-4D70-8460-393F0B2F6D5E@conncoll.edu>

(since I'm one who said something vaguely curmudgeonly about the UI)

No, it's not opaque, and the underlying concepts are _unusually_  
clear. I think it behaves oddly. Focus, especially, seems to trip up  
(dumb old) me all the time. I press a left arrow thinking I'm about  
to nudge a widget, and suddenly cards are going by, because the focus  
isn't on the widget even though its "selected" box is showing. That's  
an example of the kind of absolutely microscopic problem which, for  
someone just getting used to any environment, gets translated, or  
magnified, into an impression of conceptual difficulty.

Another example: I put up an Inspector for my main stack, and lock it  
so I can refer to the list of my custom properties while I inspect  
other stuff. I select and Inspect and edit various other objects. At  
some point (??) I discover that in the locked Inspector the name of  
my main stack has been changed. (The title of the Inspector window  
and also the Name property it shows.) Alarm! Is my main stack about  
to get screwed up, saved under the wrong name, or what? I panic and  
change the name and close the Inspector. Don't know what happened,  
but I'm nervous about trying that again, and since I'm paying  
attention to all the other stuff I'm trying to learn about the  
language, the interface, my design, etc., this avoidance registers as  
generalized UI dread. Again, this isn't (I think) a big deal -- it  
only _looks_ like a big deal and translates into an impression of a  
confusing interface, even though it's a detail and not a genuine  
conceptual mystery.

Charles Hartman

On Jul 26, 2005, at 1:27 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> But the question here is:  Is Rev's UI really that opaque?  Or is  
> it the underlying concepts which drive the UI?
>



From paolo.mazza at neol.it  Tue Jul 26 09:26:07 2005
From: paolo.mazza at neol.it (paolo mazza)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:26:07 +0200
Subject: CGI MAC OSX
In-Reply-To: <8D007A3C-DB74-4006-84D1-5ACEF42735E9@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <8D007A3C-DB74-4006-84D1-5ACEF42735E9@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <fc.000f58e5009fdea03b9aca001fee1469.9fdeab@fc.neol.it>

Hi Eric

thank you for your advice. However, I do not think the actual program
would work as a  CGI.

I am looking for the a recent engine of Revolution to place in the cgi-bin
of a MAC OSX  server.

ciao Paolo


How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com> on Venerd?, 22
luglio 2005 at 14:36 +0100 wrote:
>Benvenuto Paolo,
>
>http://downloads.runrev.com/revolution/
>
>Le 22 juil. 05 ? 15:36, paolo mazza a ?crit :
>
>> Hi revs,
>> I am looking for a MAC OSX  engine of Revolution. I need to install  
>> it in
>> a MAC OSX server as CGI.
>> In the ftp.runrev.com  I found the REV 2.5 engines for WINDOWS and  
>> LINUX.
>> Where can I find the engine for the MAC OS X ?
>> Best regards
>
>
>Riguardi migliori da Parigi,
>
>Eric Chatonet.
>



From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Tue Jul 26 09:39:34 2005
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:39:34 -0400
Subject: Another Doc Thought
In-Reply-To: <282E7BED-10D7-4D70-8460-393F0B2F6D5E@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <BF0BB556.DA48%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

That happens to me all the time. I just change the name of the main stack
back. I think it happens when you think a particular object is selected and
it is actually the main stack that is selected.

But how would you fix this?


On 7/26/05 9:12 AM, "Charles Hartman" <charles.hartman at conncoll.edu> wrote:

> some point (??) I discover that in the locked Inspector the name of
> my main stack has been changed. (The title of the Inspector window

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From xbury.cs at clearstream.com  Tue Jul 26 09:55:29 2005
From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:55:29 +0200
Subject: Another Doc Thought
In-Reply-To: <BF0BB556.DA48%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
Message-ID: <OF6E7CCF6E.5BFFD001-ONC125704A.004B3576-C125704A.004C640D@deutsche-boerse.com>

Hi guys,

i've had it happened too. Now, im more careful... 
you can always make sure you have selected your control by double clicking 
it...

cheers
Xavier


use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 26/07/2005 15:39:34:

> That happens to me all the time. I just change the name of the main 
stack
> back. I think it happens when you think a particular object is selected 
and
> it is actually the main stack that is selected.
> 
> But how would you fix this?
> 
> 
> On 7/26/05 9:12 AM, "Charles Hartman" <charles.hartman at conncoll.edu> 
wrote:
> 
> > some point (??) I discover that in the locked Inspector the name of
> > my main stack has been changed. (The title of the Inspector window
> 
>             |    |    |
>            )_)  )_)  )_)
>           )___))___))___)\
>          )____)____)_____)\\
>        _____|____|____|____\\\__
> -------\                   /--------- http://www.bluewatermaritime.com
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>   ^^^^      ^^^^     ^^^    ^^
>        ^^^^      ^^^
> 
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From Hamburger1 at aol.com  Tue Jul 26 10:07:30 2005
From: Hamburger1 at aol.com (Hamburger1 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:07:30 EDT
Subject: HC Conversion Question
Message-ID: <d4.2cc24e6e.30179da2@aol.com>

Hi everyone,

I just converted my first HC stack into Revolution. Whoopee! I was surprised 
that it wasn't more traumatic than it was. Everything was going along just 
fine until I tried to add a menubar to my converted stack. As soon as I did that, 
all my fields dropped out of sight. The only thing I can figure is that the 
menubar came to the front and covered everything. If I'm right, how do I get it 
to go to the back?

Joe
Orlando, Florida


From jbondy at sover.net  Tue Jul 26 10:32:29 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:32:29 -0400
Subject: Another Doc Thought
In-Reply-To: <BF0BB556.DA48%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
References: <BF0BB556.DA48%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
Message-ID: <42E6497D.3000605@sover.net>

"But how would you fix this?"

By making the IDE UI less confusing?!?  This is a good example of why RR 
is so difficult for the uninitiated, and still somewhat confusing to the 
moderately experienced.  You can't be productive when you're not 
confident that the IDE's UI is under YOUR control.

:)

Jon


Bill wrote:

>That happens to me all the time. I just change the name of the main stack
>back. I think it happens when you think a particular object is selected and
>it is actually the main stack that is selected.
>
>But how would you fix this?
>
>
>On 7/26/05 9:12 AM, "Charles Hartman" <charles.hartman at conncoll.edu> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>some point (??) I discover that in the locked Inspector the name of
>>my main stack has been changed. (The title of the Inspector window
>>    
>>
>
>            |    |    |
>           )_)  )_)  )_)
>          )___))___))___)\
>         )____)____)_____)\\
>       _____|____|____|____\\\__
>-------\                   /--------- http://www.bluewatermaritime.com
> ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  ^^^^      ^^^^     ^^^    ^^
>       ^^^^      ^^^
>
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>fax: (787) 809-8426
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>
>  
>


From jbondy at sover.net  Tue Jul 26 10:36:10 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:36:10 -0400
Subject: Another Doc Thought
In-Reply-To: <OF6E7CCF6E.5BFFD001-ONC125704A.004B3576-C125704A.004C640D@deutsche-boerse.com>
References: <OF6E7CCF6E.5BFFD001-ONC125704A.004B3576-C125704A.004C640D@deutsche-boerse.com>
Message-ID: <42E64A5A.3050103@sover.net>

I'm not sure that "having to be more careful" is what will attract new 
users to RR...

:)

Jon


xbury.cs at clearstream.com wrote:

>Hi guys,
>
>i've had it happened too. Now, im more careful... 
>you can always make sure you have selected your control by double clicking 
>it...
>
>cheers
>Xavier
>
>
>use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 26/07/2005 15:39:34:
>
>  
>
>>That happens to me all the time. I just change the name of the main 
>>    
>>
>stack
>  
>
>>back. I think it happens when you think a particular object is selected 
>>    
>>
>and
>  
>
>>it is actually the main stack that is selected.
>>
>>But how would you fix this?
>>
>>
>>On 7/26/05 9:12 AM, "Charles Hartman" <charles.hartman at conncoll.edu> 
>>    
>>
>wrote:
>  
>
>>>some point (??) I discover that in the locked Inspector the name of
>>>my main stack has been changed. (The title of the Inspector window
>>>      
>>>
>>            |    |    |
>>           )_)  )_)  )_)
>>          )___))___))___)\
>>         )____)____)_____)\\
>>       _____|____|____|____\\\__
>>-------\                   /--------- http://www.bluewatermaritime.com
>> ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>  ^^^^      ^^^^     ^^^    ^^
>>       ^^^^      ^^^
>>
>>24 hour cell: (787) 378-6190
>>fax: (787) 809-8426
>>
>>Blue Water Maritime
>>P.O. Box 91
>>Puerto Real, PR 00740
>>
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From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 26 10:47:15 2005
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:47:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Another Doc Thought
In-Reply-To: <20050726075428.66F9D824ED7@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20050726144716.94173.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com>

i send this message, from another mail direction,
so it will take a while before it appears in
this mail list. Sorry if this appears twice. :-)

on Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:21:59 -0700
Dan Shafer wrote:

> That's one reason I hate to write printed books
these 
> days. An eBook can be published and then updated as 
> needed one time at no production cost.

Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Most software undergoes a significant UI overhaul on

> the average of about once a year.
> I will never write a book on a specific software 
> product.  I'd write about the language happily, but 
> the UI?  Fuggedaboudit.  :)

Dan and Richard
Actually, i suspect that people is shy to ask about 
things that, because are not explained, seems obvious.
But in the end, they are not so obvious and they go 
mostly unnoticed.

Why nobody in these docs, tutorials, books messages
had 
mentioned two university courses for learning RR and 
MC?

Richard Gaskin has a link to these and other helpful 
resources in his website. Are these resources largely 
unnoticed?

About the docs for RR... many years ago, i download a 
pdf and print all the pages. More than 1,500 pages.

Was me the only one who print that pdf? :-(

Before printing this extensive document, i've have 
copied, pasted and printed the Metacard help and 
dictionary.

Should i ask again... Was me the only one to do that? 
:-(

Notice, i'm not a professional developer 
(my work prove this),but even me had noticed that
learning programming in this platform requires effort 
and the area which i had choose to work with 
(pdf,ai,beziers,etc) is mostly unexplored... 
but i do not complain. i simply keep going and with 
time and effort, everything start to make sense... 
and somehow working as i though it should.

Maybe after all, programming is as much an intelligent
effort as a discovery and a sudden realization.

How much time took to each of you to discover this?

Peace.
Have a nice day :-)

al


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From miller at doctortimothymiller.com  Mon Jul 25 19:43:51 2005
From: miller at doctortimothymiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:43:51 -0700
Subject: revDocWiki
Message-ID: <p06200700bf0b270ae35a@[10.0.1.2]>

Someone asked earlier today, in re the hypothetical wiki that might 
be used to improve and expand the rev documentation: "What is Rev 
willing to kick in?" or something along those lines.

An obvious first step would be for Rev to convert its current onboard 
docs into a format suitable for a wiki, and allow the wikiMaster use 
of those docs, without charge. Rev could retain the copyright, if it 
wanted to -- if they are copyrighted.

Rev might want to abstain from any more obligations to the wiki, 
until the Rev people see how it's working out. Heck, the wikiMaster 
or wikiGroup might be able to charge Rev for the improved version of 
its own docs. However, it seems more civilized for Rev and the 
wikiMasters to reach some kind of agreement beforehand. That's more 
civilized than hostageware.

Of course, this is all hypothetical, at best, really more like highly 
speculative.

What would *I* be willing to do? Well, at least I can write. If a 
property, chunk, object, command, etc., might benefit from a verbose 
alternative to the usual terse dictionary entry, I would be willing 
to write verbose explanations of some items I understand well, and 
submit them to the wiki.

Cheers,


Tim


From capellan2000 at mail.tricom.net  Tue Jul 26 10:08:00 2005
From: capellan2000 at mail.tricom.net (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:08:00 -0400
Subject: Another Doc Thought
In-Reply-To: <20050726075428.552DF824ED4@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050726075428.552DF824ED4@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20050726094548.0313b590@mail.tricom.net>


>on Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:21:59 -0700
>Dan Shafer wrote:
>
>That's one reason I hate to write printed books these days. An eBook
>can be published and then updated as needed one time at no production
>cost.

Richard Gaskin wrote:


>Most software undergoes a significant UI overhaul on the average of
>about once a year.
>
>I will never write a book on a specific software product.  I'd write
>about the language happily, but the UI?  Fuggedaboudit.  :)

Actually, i suspect that people is shy to ask about things that,
because are not explained, seems obvious.

But in the end, they are not so obvious and they goes mostly unnoticed.
Why nobody in these docs, tutorials, books messages had mentioned
two university courses for learning RR and MC?

Richard Gaskin has a link to these and other helpful resources
in his website. Are these resources largely unnoticed?

About the docs for RR... many years ago, i download a pdf and
print all the pages. More than 1,500 pages.

Am i the only one that print that pdf?

Before than printing this extensive document, i've have copied
pasted and printed the Metacard help and dictionary.

Should i ask again... Was i the only one to do that? :-(

Notice, i'm not a professional developer (my work prove this),
but even me had noticed that learning programming requires effort
and the area which i had choose to work with (pdf,ai,beziers,etc)
is mostly unexplored... but i do not complain. i simply keep
going and with time and effort, everything start to make sense...
and somehow working as i though it should.

Maybe after all, programming is as much a discovery as a sudden
realization. (eureka! factor).

How much time took to each of you to discover this?

Peace.
Have a nice day :-)

al


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From revdan at danshafer.com  Tue Jul 26 10:54:36 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:54:36 -0700
Subject: Another Doc Thought
In-Reply-To: <42E5DC77.3050909@fourthworld.com>
References: <ABD5ED09-8142-4113-8BB9-444088D977E4@danshafer.com>	<42E5C9DE.2060603@fourthworld.com>
	<C54ECE0D-260E-4904-9428-101A8DBED027@danshafer.com>
	<42E5DC77.3050909@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <BA9D45A3-EFFE-4DBC-9729-C3DF64C2CCCB@danshafer.com>


On Jul 25, 2005, at 11:47 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> But if we could teach the art of dissection, the people could learn  
> from existing code without need as much explanation.
>
> Am I dreaming?
>
> I learned so much dissecting HyperCard and SuperCard examples,  
> almost as much as the dictionaries.  Never really read much of  
> anything else from either of those products but the dictionary and  
> sample code.  Maybe that's helpful, or maybe I'm just a freak.
>
I don't think you're a freak. But I think: (a) probably not many  
people learn this way, at least in the early going; and (b) this is a  
difficult skill to teach, perhaps more difficult than programming.
>
>
>> (BTW, there's another issue for me that probably doesn't concern   
>> anyone else. When people on the list contribute free  
>> documentation- like things -- tutorial stacks, how-tos, etc. -- I  
>> want at one and  the same time to applaud loudly and groan  
>> quietly. Because, you see,  if someone ELSE is writing something  
>> on the same topic and perhaps  putting in a lot of effort and time  
>> and energy with the hope of  selling the product and someone else  
>> comes along and offers something  -- even if not quite as good or  
>> complete -- for free, it crushes the  spirit if not the market. A  
>> clearing-house for volunteer effort would  help avoid such things  
>> but that begs the question of who would set up  and manage such a  
>> thing.
>>
>
> I can't imagine there are that many potentially in conflict.  Maybe  
> the RevDocs group could be used for that?
>
It doesn't take very many. One or two "false starts" like that can  
discourage someone with less masochistic tendencies than I have. :-D




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From revdan at danshafer.com  Tue Jul 26 11:07:46 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:07:46 -0700
Subject: All in One Place (was: Praise: Rev Documentation to the rescue)
In-Reply-To: <cd.2cfa6869.30175093@aol.com>
References: <cd.2cfa6869.30175093@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2B4751D9-CBDE-449B-B48F-0B97F2DCE0B2@danshafer.com>

Let me say that I use Scripter's Scrapbook A LOT in my Rev work and  
find it to be a most reusable tool. If it combined the broader search  
features of Eric's wonderful little Resource Picker, I think we'd be  
pretty close to  REFERENCE documentation bliss.


On Jul 26, 2005, at 1:38 AM, FlexibleLearning at aol.com wrote:

> As Jim wrote, there is no "one place" for all  knowledge and  
> Resources Picker
> is a great tool. Add the Scripter's Scrapbook as  a place to store  
> wisom,
> code, links to both web and local documents, stacks and  resources  
> you have a
> great way to manage what you find as a present solution and  future  
> personal
> reference archive. All information may not be in one place, but   
> you can
> coordinate what's important to you in one place!
>
> /H
>
> The  Scripter's Scrapbook
> www.FlexibleLearning.com/ssbk.htm
>
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From revdan at danshafer.com  Tue Jul 26 11:15:59 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:15:59 -0700
Subject: revDocWiki
In-Reply-To: <p06200700bf0b270ae35a@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <p06200700bf0b270ae35a@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <AA5E8E28-E69B-4567-85B8-ACDDAE191DDE@danshafer.com>

As would I. And I have a lot of stuff already written that I'd  
contribute to a structured documentation site/page/Wiki/product.

The docs are already in XML. Jerry Daniels has written a parser for  
them that gets used in his Transcript Gadget.


On Jul 25, 2005, at 4:43 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:

> What would *I* be willing to do? Well, at least I can write. If a  
> property, chunk, object, command, etc., might benefit from a  
> verbose alternative to the usual terse dictionary entry, I would be  
> willing to write verbose explanations of some items I understand  
> well, and submit them to the wiki.
>



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From b.xavier at internet.lu  Tue Jul 26 11:25:14 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:25:14 +0200
Subject: Another Doc Thought
In-Reply-To: <42E64A5A.3050103@sover.net>
Message-ID: <20050726151437.00E3D82497D@mail.runrev.com>


ever used a C pointer? Made a careless mistake and your mac or pc
 went "piiiing, cht cht cht, rrrrrr, where's my system disk?" 

try it sometimes, yet it brings hoards of programmers if you tell
them it's C sharp or C turbo or C ++ or C nirvana!

;)
X

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jon
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 16:36
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Another Doc Thought
> 
> I'm not sure that "having to be more careful" is what will 
> attract new users to RR...
> 
> :)
> 
> Jon
> 
> 
> xbury.cs at clearstream.com wrote:
> 
> >Hi guys,
> >
> >i've had it happened too. Now, im more careful... 
> >you can always make sure you have selected your control by double 
> >clicking it...
> >
> >cheers
> >Xavier
> >
> >
> >use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 26/07/2005 15:39:34:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>That happens to me all the time. I just change the name of the main
> >>    
> >>
> >stack
> >  
> >
> >>back. I think it happens when you think a particular object is 
> >>selected
> >>    
> >>
> >and
> >  
> >
> >>it is actually the main stack that is selected.
> >>
> >>But how would you fix this?
> >>
> >>
> >>On 7/26/05 9:12 AM, "Charles Hartman" <charles.hartman at conncoll.edu>
> >>    
> >>
> >wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>>some point (??) I discover that in the locked Inspector 
> the name of 
> >>>my main stack has been changed. (The title of the Inspector window
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>            |    |    |
> >>           )_)  )_)  )_)
> >>          )___))___))___)\
> >>         )____)____)_____)\\
> >>       _____|____|____|____\\\__
> >>-------\                   /--------- 
> http://www.bluewatermaritime.com
> >> ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >>  ^^^^      ^^^^     ^^^    ^^
> >>       ^^^^      ^^^
> >>
> >>24 hour cell: (787) 378-6190
> >>fax: (787) 809-8426
> >>
> >>Blue Water Maritime
> >>P.O. Box 91
> >>Puerto Real, PR 00740
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From b.xavier at internet.lu  Tue Jul 26 11:25:14 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:25:14 +0200
Subject: Another Doc Thought
In-Reply-To: <42E6497D.3000605@sover.net>
Message-ID: <20050726151439.4898F82497D@mail.runrev.com>

Hi Jon,

Im the first one to jump on the detonate button when it comes to 
idiosyncratic software i can't control. And rev really hit me where
it hurts the most last time with teh GM. I bought Rev so i could have
their GM and it became my biggest nightmare...

6 months later, i wrote my own and im 4X better off... And unless Rev
comes out with the significant bug fixes i've been waiting for, im not
upgrading... at work (enterprise), or at home (studio). 

Now, that's the casual bug i run into. I got a few 100's bugzillas and
i keep creating them. And i think that when these will be fixed, like
many others, i'll have to shell a license upgrade. Uh, that a big rant.

Dont hate, me, im just a factoid... The point is that i learned something
from that limitation, created a much more flexible and run-steady GM for
rev and MC, and now, scripting is just faster every day... But note we
dont all work at the same scale of things... 

For some a small stack can be daunting, while for others an algoritm in
a framework is much harder than the framework itself! 

Thing is that most people think this is confusing while they dont compare
it to another programming environment (most of which are 10X more confusing
and tedious) but which many new comers here dont put into the equation. 

Tried learning C lately? Ever seen a single IDE language "how to get
started"
in those IDE boxes? Did you have to buy an OS reference on top? Spend a week
in a technit website to find one stupid problem?

All these are not considered. Many of us started programming in C and didn't
ask the Symantec ThinkC or the Metrowerks team how to write C. And this is
a major problem when it's compounded with an interface - script api that is
just so oblivious to complex myobject = &(new*) thisarray.object++; kinds of
constructs.

I see a nice boat below, know a sailing boat that comes with sailing 
instructions? Know a car manufacturer that delivers the rules of the
road book along with the insurance tips and all the shortcuts to go to work?

You got my point... 

Second point... (you didn't think it was that easy did you?)

practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice,
practice, 
compile, compile, compile, compile, compile, compile, compile, compile, 
test, test, test, test, test, test, test, test, test, test, test, test, 
test, test, test, test, test, test, test, test, test, test, test, test, 
test, test, test, test, test, test, test, test, test, test, test, test, 
fix a few things and hop, deliver... correct the announcement mail 3 times,
fix the url 1 or 2 times, etc...

other than that, it's marketing, and that's another manual that wasn't 
furnished in the damn ide either! 

One trick: if you build solid software from the start, you wont have to
rewrite it again and write bugzillas for the rest... that's the sorcery
of software - nobody is perfect in the chain of software - luck for those
who practice a lot, there's more than one way to do everything. That's
where the skill of programming kicks in... Rev is just a pneumatic-nailer
compared to a hammer and box of nails... Whatever you build still needs
to be based on solid computing design principles in both the GUI, the
program code, the external IO, and the best practical economic benefit
for the user.

How to use this great-maillist:

Did i mention testing? Never deliver a half-made stack for testing!
People here hate that. I got one praise for my last winNO2 plugin, 
only one testing request, and nothing else... Lots of jealous people
out there it seems who dont encourage that people test their apps, but
if you just ask if they can solve a problem then you'll get a miriad 
solutions, bug rants, etc...

cheers
Xavier
http://monsieurx.com Keep out - Taoist empty object shooting zone


> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jon
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 16:32
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Another Doc Thought
> 
> "But how would you fix this?"
> 
> By making the IDE UI less confusing?!?  This is a good 
> example of why RR is so difficult for the uninitiated, and 
> still somewhat confusing to the moderately experienced.  You 
> can't be productive when you're not confident that the IDE's 
> UI is under YOUR control.
> 
> :)
> 
> Jon
> 
> 
> Bill wrote:
> 
> >That happens to me all the time. I just change the name of 
> the main stack
> >back. I think it happens when you think a particular object 
> is selected and
> >it is actually the main stack that is selected.
> >
> >But how would you fix this?
> >
> >
> >On 7/26/05 9:12 AM, "Charles Hartman" 
> <charles.hartman at conncoll.edu> wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>some point (??) I discover that in the locked Inspector the name of
> >>my main stack has been changed. (The title of the Inspector window
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >            |    |    |
> >           )_)  )_)  )_)
> >          )___))___))___)\
> >         )____)____)_____)\\
> >       _____|____|____|____\\\__
> >-------\                   /--------- 
> http://www.bluewatermaritime.com
> > ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >  ^^^^      ^^^^     ^^^    ^^
> >       ^^^^      ^^^
> >
> >24 hour cell: (787) 378-6190
> >fax: (787) 809-8426
> >
> >Blue Water Maritime
> >P.O. Box 91
> >Puerto Real, PR 00740
> >
> >
> >
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From brad at activadesign.com  Tue Jul 26 11:27:47 2005
From: brad at activadesign.com (Brad Borch)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:27:47 -0400
Subject: Unicode confusion
In-Reply-To: <edde75962678150648e209a463d26bfc@swcp.com>
References: <dc2u6o$9kg$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<edde75962678150648e209a463d26bfc@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <dc5kpk$ih1$1@sea.gmane.org>

 > If you get text and set text always with unicodeText, maybe it will
 > work better for you.

Thanks, I've already done some work setting the unicodeText. Problem is, 
that still doesn't force Rev to use the font I want to use. Bitstream 
Vera has dozens of precomposed diacritical marks that don't occur with 
the default unicode text that Windows uses (Arial I think). All I really 
need to do is find a way to force Revolution to use that font in fields. 
Unfortunately, in Windows it won't cooperate.



From b.xavier at internet.lu  Tue Jul 26 11:35:40 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:35:40 +0200
Subject: Another Doc Thought
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20050726094548.0313b590@mail.tricom.net>
Message-ID: <20050726152500.6DCA382493F@mail.runrev.com>


> >on Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:21:59 -0700
> >Dan Shafer wrote:
> >
> >That's one reason I hate to write printed books these days. An eBook 
> >can be published and then updated as needed one time at no 
> production cost.

most economic, trendy, cost-effective, editable medium today is the web...

just my .00000000000000000000000000000002 cents...

I just hate writing the theory, it's more fun to script it right out!

The typical cycle in a rev programmer's life is

woah!
hummmmm
maillist - it just doesn't work!
maillist - it's crap
maillist - aaah
woah, it works!
cool my first program*
maillist - it stopped working, im lost
maillist - aaah!
cool my first cool program
maillist - where's the 3d stuff everyone has (or color cursors, or normal
html rendering, etc...)
maillist - rant where is it?
maillist - darn... hurry up rev...
cool, i managed to interpret it in xtalk
maillist - my new cooler than cool program
maillist - thanks thanks
maillist - oops, a mistake slipped in!
(GOTO "cool, my second program")* -- and third, and so on...
just have to abide to the cycle

Xavier, IT economist
http://monsieurx.com - fun with x-economics



From jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr  Tue Jul 26 11:43:26 2005
From: jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:43:26 +0200
Subject: "Dumb question" time
Message-ID: <42E65A14.61B015C7@Club-Internet.fr>

OK guys, it's "dumb question" time...

I have a few buttons; when clicking on one of them,
users trigger complex sorts in globals.
a sporadic bug occurs (quite rare and impossible to
reproduce, so far) : the sort doesn't execute well
and the content of 1 of the globals isn't consistent
anymore...
so my (dumb) question is : is it possible that the user
clicks so fast on a few successive btns that each script
doesn't have the time to run till the end ?
This can happen on browsers, when you click very fast
on successive links...
I doubt that it's the case in Rev, but I thought it was worth
asking...

Thanks,
JB



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue Jul 26 11:39:54 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:39:54 +0200
Subject: All in One Place (was: Praise: Rev Documentation to the rescue)
In-Reply-To: <cd.2cfa6869.30175093@aol.com>
References: <cd.2cfa6869.30175093@aol.com>
Message-ID: <D6097BC1-DD83-4B8B-8FFC-1335AF9B309A@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Hugh,

Thanks.
I consider too your Scripter's Scrapbook as a great tool :-)
It brings many valuable tips and tricks for beginners and, for more  
advanced users, it's an incomparable and (flexible :-) scrapbook to  
store snippets of code, references, urls, etc. and have them always  
to hand.
I think that our tools are perfectly complementary... and necessary  
to all ;-)

Le 26 juil. 05 ? 10:38, FlexibleLearning at aol.com a ?crit :

> As Jim wrote, there is no "one place" for all  knowledge and  
> Resources Picker
> is a great tool. Add the Scripter's Scrapbook as  a place to store  
> wisom,
> code, links to both web and local documents, stacks and  resources  
> you have a
> great way to manage what you find as a present solution and  future  
> personal
> reference archive. All information may not be in one place, but   
> you can
> coordinate what's important to you in one place!

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jul 26 11:42:25 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:42:25 -0500
Subject: HC Conversion Question
In-Reply-To: <d4.2cc24e6e.30179da2@aol.com>
References: <d4.2cc24e6e.30179da2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <42E659E1.5030500@hyperactivesw.com>

Hamburger1 at aol.com wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I just converted my first HC stack into Revolution. Whoopee! I was surprised 
> that it wasn't more traumatic than it was. Everything was going along just 
> fine until I tried to add a menubar to my converted stack. As soon as I did that, 
> all my fields dropped out of sight. The only thing I can figure is that the 
> menubar came to the front and covered everything. If I'm right, how do I get it 
> to go to the back?

Part of this tutorial goes into detail about how to add a menu to a 
HyperCard converted stack:

<http://www.hyperactivesw.com/mctutorial/rrtutorialtoc.html>

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue Jul 26 11:45:58 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:45:58 +0200
Subject: "Dumb question" time
In-Reply-To: <42E65A14.61B015C7@Club-Internet.fr>
References: <42E65A14.61B015C7@Club-Internet.fr>
Message-ID: <88C9DA2D-A089-48BC-87E1-2883C4B1CADF@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi JB,

Don't think so unless your global is 20 MB :-)
Could you tell us more to understand what are your globals contents,  
how do you handle them, sort them, etc. and, may be, give you some  
clues?

Le 26 juil. 05 ? 17:43, jbv a ?crit :

> OK guys, it's "dumb question" time...
>
> I have a few buttons; when clicking on one of them,
> users trigger complex sorts in globals.
> a sporadic bug occurs (quite rare and impossible to
> reproduce, so far) : the sort doesn't execute well
> and the content of 1 of the globals isn't consistent
> anymore...
> so my (dumb) question is : is it possible that the user
> clicks so fast on a few successive btns that each script
> doesn't have the time to run till the end ?
> This can happen on browsers, when you click very fast
> on successive links...
> I doubt that it's the case in Rev, but I thought it was worth
> asking...

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr  Tue Jul 26 12:01:31 2005
From: jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:01:31 +0200
Subject: "Dumb question" time
References: <42E65A14.61B015C7@Club-Internet.fr>
	<88C9DA2D-A089-48BC-87E1-2883C4B1CADF@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <42E65E50.10822985@Club-Internet.fr>



Eric,

Thanks for the reply, but right after sending my previous
post, an idea crossed my mind : I think it has to do with
the structure of the data to be sorted...
it can be 10 to 500 lines with 40 items in each line, and
each item can be the sorting key, but for certain lines, the
item can be empty and I have the feeling that it's the cause
of the inconstency in the sort result...
I'll check that...

But anyway, my original question remains valid : what happens
in Rev when a new script is triggered, and a previous script is
still running ?

Thanks,
JB

> Hi JB,
>
> Don't think so unless your global is 20 MB :-)
> Could you tell us more to understand what are your globals contents,
> how do you handle them, sort them, etc. and, may be, give you some
> clues?
>
> Le 26 juil. 05 ? 17:43, jbv a ?crit :
>
> > OK guys, it's "dumb question" time...
> >
> > I have a few buttons; when clicking on one of them,
> > users trigger complex sorts in globals.
> > a sporadic bug occurs (quite rare and impossible to
> > reproduce, so far) : the sort doesn't execute well
> > and the content of 1 of the globals isn't consistent
> > anymore...
> > so my (dumb) question is : is it possible that the user
> > clicks so fast on a few successive btns that each script
> > doesn't have the time to run till the end ?
> > This can happen on browsers, when you click very fast
> > on successive links...
> > I doubt that it's the case in Rev, but I thought it was worth
> > asking...
>
> Best Regards from Paris,
>
> Eric Chatonet.
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From mdswindell at charter.net  Tue Jul 26 11:52:37 2005
From: mdswindell at charter.net (Mark Swindell)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:52:37 -0700
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <A0439ADF-B4EF-46B7-983E-D73E082CB92B@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLGEMAHJAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>
	<78E9E579-7317-4CF7-919B-B534AE422BBC@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<b248cf65cf765d510a94edcfbd59ea4a@qldlearning.com>
	<A0439ADF-B4EF-46B7-983E-D73E082CB92B@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <2925AB68-B134-4773-BF76-5D4D366948B4@charter.net>

Danny Goodman's book has been mentioned more than once as an iconic  
sort of reference.  I learned to script Hypercard with it and loved it.

Just what was it that made that book so great?  If we could answer to  
that question, why couldn't that book's "recipe" be approximated for  
a comprehensive Rev doc?  Is it just that Rev has grown so much  
beyond HyperCard and that it is X-platform that the scope becomes  
overwhelming?

Mark


From heather at runrev.com  Tue Jul 26 11:58:02 2005
From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Nagey)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:58:02 +0100
Subject: The "missing" cookbook
Message-ID: <a13d4f6e2412d2b579f89994b7d4004b@runrev.com>

Just a postscript to my earlier mail, I forgot to mention. The cookbook 
is alive and well and to be found under the name of "Sample Scripts" in 
the Learning Center, in Revolution Online.

Yes, yes, I know, like the highway plans on display in the bottom 
drawer of the hidden filing cabinet in the locked basement of the 
disused library...

But they are in fact there.

:)

cheers

Heather

Heather Nagey, Customer Support Manager
Runtime Revolution Ltd
www.runrev.com



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue Jul 26 12:04:54 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:04:54 +0200
Subject: "Dumb question" time
In-Reply-To: <42E65E50.10822985@Club-Internet.fr>
References: <42E65A14.61B015C7@Club-Internet.fr>
	<88C9DA2D-A089-48BC-87E1-2883C4B1CADF@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<42E65E50.10822985@Club-Internet.fr>
Message-ID: <C6ABD507-37CC-4F6C-96CC-AED14195FDA7@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi JB,

Try this:
2 buttons.
In the first one:

on mouseUp
   repeat 10000
     put random(100)
   end repeat
   put "Done"
end mouseUp

In the second one:

on mouseUp
   beep
end mouseUp

You can't beep but only wait until the loop has run entirely (you see  
that in the message box :-)
Now add a line into the first script:

on mouseUp
   repeat 10000
     put random(100)
     wait 0 with messages -- this one
     end repeat
   put "Done"
end mouseUp

You can beep while running the loop.
So, unless you put a wait x (even 0) milliseconds with messages in a  
handler, you will not be able to do anything but wait it has run  
until its end.

Hope this helps.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

Le 26 juil. 05 ? 18:01, jbv a ?crit :

> Eric,
>
> Thanks for the reply, but right after sending my previous
> post, an idea crossed my mind : I think it has to do with
> the structure of the data to be sorted...
> it can be 10 to 500 lines with 40 items in each line, and
> each item can be the sorting key, but for certain lines, the
> item can be empty and I have the feeling that it's the cause
> of the inconstency in the sort result...
> I'll check that...
>
> But anyway, my original question remains valid : what happens
> in Rev when a new script is triggered, and a previous script is
> still running ?
>
> Thanks,
> JB
>
>
>> Hi JB,
>>
>> Don't think so unless your global is 20 MB :-)
>> Could you tell us more to understand what are your globals contents,
>> how do you handle them, sort them, etc. and, may be, give you some
>> clues?
>>
>> Le 26 juil. 05 ? 17:43, jbv a ?crit :
>>
>>
>>> OK guys, it's "dumb question" time...
>>>
>>> I have a few buttons; when clicking on one of them,
>>> users trigger complex sorts in globals.
>>> a sporadic bug occurs (quite rare and impossible to
>>> reproduce, so far) : the sort doesn't execute well
>>> and the content of 1 of the globals isn't consistent
>>> anymore...
>>> so my (dumb) question is : is it possible that the user
>>> clicks so fast on a few successive btns that each script
>>> doesn't have the time to run till the end ?
>>> This can happen on browsers, when you click very fast
>>> on successive links...
>>> I doubt that it's the case in Rev, but I thought it was worth
>>> asking...

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From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Jul 26 12:11:28 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:11:28 +0100
Subject: "Dumb question" time
In-Reply-To: <42E65E50.10822985@Club-Internet.fr>
References: <42E65A14.61B015C7@Club-Internet.fr>	<88C9DA2D-A089-48BC-87E1-2883C4B1CADF@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<42E65E50.10822985@Club-Internet.fr>
Message-ID: <42E660B0.9040407@tweedly.net>

jbv wrote:

>Eric,
>
>Thanks for the reply, but right after sending my previous
>post, an idea crossed my mind : I think it has to do with
>the structure of the data to be sorted...
>it can be 10 to 500 lines with 40 items in each line, and
>each item can be the sorting key, but for certain lines, the
>item can be empty and I have the feeling that it's the cause
>of the inconstency in the sort result...
>I'll check that...
>
>But anyway, my original question remains valid : what happens
>in Rev when a new script is triggered, and a previous script is
>still running ?
>  
>
If the previous script includes "wait with messages" or similar, then 
the new script can be triggered, and it will run to completion before 
the continuation of the old script.

But unless you have "wait with messages", the new script will not be 
triggered until the old one is complete.

-- 
Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net



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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Jul 26 12:13:39 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:13:39 -0700
Subject: Another Doc Thought
In-Reply-To: <42E6497D.3000605@sover.net>
References: <BF0BB556.DA48%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
	<42E6497D.3000605@sover.net>
Message-ID: <1231619228.20050726091339@ahsoftware.net>

Jon-

Tuesday, July 26, 2005, 7:32:29 AM, you wrote:

J> By making the IDE UI less confusing?!?  This is a good example of why RR

I'm not sure "less confusing" is the proper paradigm here, but I would
most definitely change things so that the property inspector is less
erratic. It's a pain having the size change all the time, it's a pain
having the focus shift from an object you thought you were editing to
the stack, it's a pain having the topic shift from text properties to
general properties when you miss clicking on an object and then stay
that way when you click on it correctly, etc.

...although if the IDE were more like MSVC's or xcode's it *would* be
less confusing, IMO.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jul 26 12:11:38 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:11:38 -0700
Subject: "Dumb question" time
In-Reply-To: <42E65A14.61B015C7@Club-Internet.fr>
References: <42E65A14.61B015C7@Club-Internet.fr>
Message-ID: <42E660BA.7090103@fourthworld.com>

jbv wrote:
> OK guys, it's "dumb question" time...
> 
> I have a few buttons; when clicking on one of them,
> users trigger complex sorts in globals.
> a sporadic bug occurs (quite rare and impossible to
> reproduce, so far) : the sort doesn't execute well
> and the content of 1 of the globals isn't consistent
> anymore...

The only issue I've ever seen with the sort command turned out to be 
documented:  the string library used for it requires that none of the 
lines exceeds 64k (65,535 characters).  When sorting lines in which one 
or more is longer than 64k the results will be unpredictable and likely 
confusing.  I know, I've seen 'em -- sure confused the heck out of me 
until I learned this limit. :)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From gbrackett at luceatlux.com  Tue Jul 26 12:21:24 2005
From: gbrackett at luceatlux.com (George Brackett)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:21:24 -0400
Subject: Creating Tutorial/Docs Critical Mass
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507252154460.3850-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507252154460.3850-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <46FAD414-F2E1-44D8-B65A-4DC6748F191A@luceatlux.com>

Your google list looks a lot like the dmoz list, Judy -- maybe no  
surprise!

I'm having trouble locating the latest version of the Transcript  
Programmer stack that's copyright Runtime Revolution.  I'd like to  
use it with students in the fall.  Anyone know where it's kept?  It  
certainly belongs on the listing in a section for teachers.

George

On Jul 26, 2005, at 1:04 AM, Judy Perry wrote:

So, as my penance, I am going to try to make a webpage that tries  
really,
awfully, hard to be a comprehensive listing of the various Rev tutorial
thingies available.

I tried googling it and found this:

http://www.metacollection.com/dir/Computers/Programming/Languages/ 
Transcript/




From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue Jul 26 12:38:08 2005
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:38:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Creating Tutorial/Docs Critical Mass
In-Reply-To: <46FAD414-F2E1-44D8-B65A-4DC6748F191A@luceatlux.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507260934460.16420-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Hi George,

Are you hacking my machine? ;-)

Of course so far my google list looks like the DMOZ list.  I've only just
started!

Is what you are looking for the old MetaCard product?  If so, I think
Marielle has a copy at her wiki and is working on it.

Thanks for remininding me where to put it!

Judy

On Tue, 26 Jul 2005, George Brackett wrote:

> Your google list looks a lot like the dmoz list, Judy -- maybe no
> surprise!
>
> I'm having trouble locating the latest version of the Transcript
> Programmer stack that's copyright Runtime Revolution.  I'd like to
> use it with students in the fall.  Anyone know where it's kept?  It
> certainly belongs on the listing in a section for teachers.



From jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr  Tue Jul 26 12:46:26 2005
From: jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:46:26 +0200
Subject: "Dumb question" time
References: <42E65A14.61B015C7@Club-Internet.fr>
	<42E660BA.7090103@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <42E668E2.4618BA39@Club-Internet.fr>



Richard,

>
> The only issue I've ever seen with the sort command turned out to be
> documented:  the string library used for it requires that none of the
> lines exceeds 64k (65,535 characters).  When sorting lines in which one
> or more is longer than 64k the results will be unpredictable and likely
> confusing.  I know, I've seen 'em -- sure confused the heck out of me
> until I learned this limit. :)
>

Thanks for the info... is it documented in Rev ?
I don't remember reading it anywhere...

JB



From b.xavier at internet.lu  Tue Jul 26 12:43:05 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:43:05 +0200
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <2925AB68-B134-4773-BF76-5D4D366948B4@charter.net>
Message-ID: <20050726163224.71D6C8249B2@mail.runrev.com>


welcome to the new hypercard!

my whole realm of taoo was overturned when i tried metacard.
It was ugly and clunky but it worked everytime and much faster
and with more panache (easier ways of doing things than in HC).

So what's confusing? 
Building a stack...
Building a stack for one or the other application

How can anyone guess what you want when you have a totally free
environment to build stuff into?

When i started, i had the 10 line limit and i managed to build
a demo of the network shares and data i could manage with it.

Other wise it was batch after batch! yuk

Today, i can do the same with 10X less controls and functions...
Do it calling a one liner each time with maximum effect!

The difference between Hypercard and Rev is nominal. You can 
still build you stacks like HC (with a few background differences)
but the rest is the same! 

So what is confusing about HyperCard?
Learning how to program... And that's so different in HC or Rev
that you have to think bottom down instead of bottom up like in C.
But when it comes to complex routines and code, then it's the
other way... And that's new to many old or new coders alike...

New coders can see the gui and make it in 2 days
Old coders can make the code in 1 day
But neither can manage the other's way... 
Is that the confusion?

Take it easy in both... Test, experiment, practice - there's
no secret no matter what IDE or language you use...

Mac Users:
Try C or AppleScripts (without ScriptDebugger or facespan) 
some time! Try it with SD or FS... 

PC users: try java, try flash...

Then try RR... You'll be in heaven creating an application in
minutes...  But it always takes weeks to get it just "right".

There's no secret...

cheers
Xavier
http://monsieurx.com
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mark Swindell
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 17:53
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Praise: Rev Documentation to the rescue
> 
> Danny Goodman's book has been mentioned more than once as an 
> iconic sort of reference.  I learned to script Hypercard with 
> it and loved it.
> 
> Just what was it that made that book so great?  If we could 
> answer to that question, why couldn't that book's "recipe" be 
> approximated for a comprehensive Rev doc?  Is it just that 
> Rev has grown so much beyond HyperCard and that it is 
> X-platform that the scope becomes overwhelming?
> 
> Mark
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From gbrackett at luceatlux.com  Tue Jul 26 12:45:06 2005
From: gbrackett at luceatlux.com (George Brackett)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:45:06 -0400
Subject: Creating Tutorial/Docs Critical Mass
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507260934460.16420-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507260934460.16420-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <99FAF8C0-E306-49DE-B158-430164ACFD38@luceatlux.com>

Sorry, Judy - I meant the list you referred to in your message, the  
one that turned out to be a dmoz mirror.  I hack, all right, but not  
other people's machines!

I don't know about the 'old Metacard product'.  The one I'm talking  
about has a dog-bone shaped window in green.  The Educator's wiki has  
a set of lesson plans for it, but I was not able to find the stack  
itself there.  I do have a copy, but it doesn't quite match the wiki  
plans so I thought there might be a later one.

George

On Jul 26, 2005, at 12:38 PM, Judy Perry wrote:

Hi George,

Are you hacking my machine? ;-)

Of course so far my google list looks like the DMOZ list.  I've only  
just
started!

Is what you are looking for the old MetaCard product?  If so, I think
Marielle has a copy at her wiki and is working on it.

Thanks for remininding me where to put it!

Judy



From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Tue Jul 26 12:54:20 2005
From: FlexibleLearning at aol.com (FlexibleLearning at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:54:20 EDT
Subject: The "missing" cookbook
Message-ID: <203.662f0da.3017c4bc@aol.com>

Hi Heather,

er... Any chance that a link could be placed in more  obvious places on the 
Rev website? Or even a gotoURL link in the  GUI?

Just a thought.

/H

---
Just a postscript to my  earlier mail, I forgot to mention. The cookbook 
is alive and well and to be  found under the name of "Sample Scripts" in 
the Learning Center, in  Revolution Online.

Yes, yes, I know, like the highway plans on display in  the bottom 
drawer of the hidden filing cabinet in the locked basement of the  
disused library...

But they are in fact  there.

:)

cheers

Heather
---
 


From userev at canelasoftware.com  Tue Jul 26 13:00:07 2005
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:00:07 -0700
Subject: Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <FC79ADFE-913B-4CE0-AEFC-A670DABC7540@writeme.com>
References: <42E59891.50101@chipp.com>
	<FC79ADFE-913B-4CE0-AEFC-A670DABC7540@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <9D514932-9DCA-4ECE-9E1C-1B730676D6C1@canelasoftware.com>


On Jul 25, 2005, at 7:15 PM, Dennis Brown wrote:

> Chipp,
>
> I hope you are right about that, I want to think the best of the  
> community, and the actions speak louder than the words, but some of  
> the posts took me aback, and made me start to wonder where some  
> were coming from.  I also am sensitive to the fact that changes to  
> the status quo can have a real effect on peoples livelihoods if  
> they don't also change to keep pace --"my altruism usually stops  
> when your fist is occupying the same volume as my nose".  I like to  
> see win-win propositions in all my dealings.
>
> Dennis
>
> On Jul 25, 2005, at 9:57 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
>
>
>> Dennis Brown wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I get the distinct impression that many actually do not want to  
>>> see  the exclusive club of knowledgeable Transcript programmers  
>>> expand to  quickly by having good docs.  It almost appears to be  
>>> a conflict of  interests between professionals who want to keep  
>>> the highly  productive club small because it is their competitive  
>>> advantage and  the non-professionals who want to see the user  
>>> base grow for the  benefit of all.  Also tutorials and other  
>>> tools provided by  professionals seem to be a sort of advertising  
>>> that might be lost if  the docs were first class.
>


Dennis,

I know that I have publicly joked about this with Richard.  My online  
scripting conference stack (scripting 101) also takes a stab at  
that.  I truly want Rev to succeed and become as popular as it can  
be.  I think that humor does not translate well in this form and can  
be misunderstood quite easily.  I apologize if anything I have ever  
said has given you a negative impression regarding this topic.

A financially successful business model requires more than knowing a  
wonderful tool like Rev.  Knowing Rev sure does give one the upper- 
hand though.  Here is to the success of Rev and all of those  
involved.  My glass is in the air.


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Tue Jul 26 13:06:55 2005
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 13:06:55 -0400
Subject: The "missing" cookbook
Message-ID: <OFFDD78C52.7A467BF8-ON8525704A.005D0499@sealedair.com>

Heather,

And let's not forget that it (RevOnline) is also outside my corporate 
firewall and has never been accessable from work, which is where it is 
needed. I think I would rather have the cookbook out of the basement as a 
web-based download if it is not included with the Rev IDE.

Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>

> Just a postscript to my earlier mail, I forgot to mention. The cookbook
> is alive and well and to be found under the name of "Sample Scripts" in
> the Learning Center, in Revolution Online.
> 
> Yes, yes, I know, like the highway plans on display in the bottom
> drawer of the hidden filing cabinet in the locked basement of the
> disused library...
> 
> But they are in fact there.
> 
> :)
> 
> cheers
> 
> Heather
> 
> Heather Nagey, Customer Support Manager
> Runtime Revolution Ltd
> www.runrev.com



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue Jul 26 13:17:12 2005
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:17:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Another Doc Thought
In-Reply-To: <BA9D45A3-EFFE-4DBC-9729-C3DF64C2CCCB@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507261014590.16420-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

A fair amount of current literature on learning programming indicates that
novice programmers do indeed benefit tremendously from having access to
fully-operational code snippets.

They are the coding equivalents of physical manipulatives that fill ed lit
on learning in general.

So, if we're freaks, there are an awful lot of us.

Judy

On Tue, 26 Jul 2005, Dan Shafer wrote:
> On Jul 25, 2005, at 11:47 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
> > But if we could teach the art of dissection, the people could learn
> > from existing code without need as much explanation.
> >
> > Am I dreaming?
> >
> > I learned so much dissecting HyperCard and SuperCard examples,
> >
> I don't think you're a freak. But I think: (a) probably not many
> people learn this way, at least in the early going; and (b) this is a
> difficult skill to teach, perhaps more difficult than programming.



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jul 26 13:24:46 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:24:46 -0500
Subject: OT: Where to put stuff [was: Creating Tutorial/Docs Critical Mass]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507260934460.16420-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507260934460.16420-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <42E671DE.7060908@hyperactivesw.com>

Judy Perry wrote:
> 
> Is what you are looking for the old MetaCard product?  If so, I think
> Marielle has a copy at her wiki and is working on it.
> 
> Thanks for remininding me where to put it!

This reminds me of a completely off-topic family story.

When I was young, my mother and father were arguing about whether to 
plant a tree in the back yard. She wanted one, he didn't -- it would be 
messy, he'd have to rake leaves, it would kill the grass. They went at 
it for weeks. Eventually she won out and the tree went in.

Years later, she told me the rest of the story: Irritated, she called a 
nursery without his knowledge and ordered an elm, and arranged delivery 
and a guy to plant it. Then she called my dad at the office, told him a 
tree was going to be delivered, told him it was non-refundable, and she 
wanted him to tell her where in the yard it should go.

"So," she said, oblivious and straight-faced, "he told me where to put it."

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue Jul 26 13:42:07 2005
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:42:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: OT: Where to put stuff [was: Creating Tutorial/Docs Critical
 Mass]
In-Reply-To: <42E671DE.7060908@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507261041400.16420-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Ba-da ding, boom, bah!

On Tue, 26 Jul 2005, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> "So," she said, oblivious and straight-faced, "he told me where to put it."



From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Tue Jul 26 14:02:46 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:02:46 -0400
Subject: Mac -> Win problems
Message-ID: <0DFFD537-CDDC-42A9-8341-9034125780C7@conncoll.edu>

I've got an app (about 500kb) mostly finished in OSX, in DreamCard. I  
just got access to the Win XP machine I use to test x-platform apps.  
I have three problems, and I'd be grateful for suggestions. The first  
two are (I'm guessing) known and not too hard, though I don't see  
anything in the docs to cover them. The third one I suspect may be  
hard enough to make me wish I hadn't started on this project.

PROBLEM 1: On WinXP, the cursor disappears whenever I mouse onto a  
stack.

PROBLEM 2: in "answer" commands, the choices I specify are there, but  
they're in reversed order.

PROBLEM 3: One interactive tutorial works like this: In Courier (for  
the sake of monospaced alignment between lines) there's a line of  
text, with a line of marks over it. The marks, in various  
combinations at various times, are covered up by opaque, borderless  
fields, which are hidden (revealing the mark below) in response to  
mouse-clicks. But on WinXP, though the font is the same (Courier  
New), the size is different! So the mark-hiding fields don't cover  
their marks.

Charles Hartman



From markgreenberg at cox.net  Tue Jul 26 13:58:52 2005
From: markgreenberg at cox.net (Mark Greenberg)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:58:52 -0700
Subject: [ANN] Language Arts Stack
Message-ID: <ECF2D765-FDFE-11D9-83CD-000A959B61BE@cox.net>

	Here are links to my latest educational stack, Combinations.  The 
first is a readme file with an explanation and some directions.  The 
second is a zip file containing both the Mac and the Win distribution 
files.  Toss out whichever one you don't need.

<http://aulasdigitales.net/MG_ComboReadMe.zip> (8 kb)
<http://aulasdigitales.net/MG_ComboLocked.zip> (2.4 megs)

	I have chosen to lock it so you can't see the code because I hope to 
sell it once it has enough data.  If you are interested in how I 
scripted it, drop me an email off list.  Most on this list are much 
better scripters than I anyway.
	This version of Combinations is not fully stocked with data yet, but 
it has enough to run.  You'll find that if you play the same level over 
and over, you'll see the same sentences again.  Keep in mind that it is 
intended to be played when a teacher is in the room... there to help, 
demo, explain, cajole, etc.  It is sparse in instructions for that 
reason.
	Thanks again to Alejandro Tejada for helping me with the logistics of 
posting these.

		Mark Greenberg
		High School Teacher
		markgreenberg at cox.net



From b.xavier at internet.lu  Tue Jul 26 14:10:29 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:10:29 +0200
Subject: Mac -> Win problems
In-Reply-To: <0DFFD537-CDDC-42A9-8341-9034125780C7@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <20050726175948.87A348249FF@mail.runrev.com>


> PROBLEM 1: On WinXP, the cursor disappears whenever I mouse 
> onto a stack.

dont use colors icons!
wait a coming release (i think there's been enough beaching 
aboutit...

> PROBLEM 2: in "answer" commands, the choices I specify are 
> there, but they're in reversed order.

reverse the order of "your" buttons, works great!

> PROBLEM 3: One interactive tutorial works like this: In 
> Courier (for the sake of monospaced alignment between lines) 
> there's a line of text, with a line of marks over it. The 
> marks, in various combinations at various times, are covered 
> up by opaque, borderless fields, which are hidden (revealing 
> the mark below) in response to mouse-clicks. But on WinXP, 
> though the font is the same (Courier New), the size is 
> different! So the mark-hiding fields don't cover their marks.

try the lineheight text/line/field property and the fixedlineheight of
the field... this usually solves some problems (dont set it them too low...)

cheers
X



From rjearp at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 26 14:20:06 2005
From: rjearp at hotmail.com (Bob Earp)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:20:06 -0700
Subject: "Dumb question" time 
Message-ID: <BAY106-F2893600DC76210EDE98BDD1CD0@phx.gbl>

I'm still learning the nuances of Rev (that's polite-speak for being dumb 
myself !!) but could this be a problem with messages queing up ?

Maybe adding a get flushEvents("all") to the end of your handler/s would 
stop this ?

best, Bob...

White Rock, BC

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From bann at sunncomm.com  Tue Jul 26 14:21:05 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:21:05 -0700
Subject: rotating images
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760988@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>

Hello everyone,

I have question about rotating images. 
I want to rotate (changing) images every 10 seconds on the same card

I create main stack which has card (cd1).  In card cd1 I have 5 images.
I want to rotate these images every 10 seconds; each image will take to
an URL when it is clicked

I tried to do this on different card by using "go next cd" but I don't
know how to do this on the same cd

Thanks for your help








From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Tue Jul 26 14:25:50 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:25:50 -0400
Subject: Mac -> Win problems
In-Reply-To: <20050726175948.87A348249FF@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050726175948.87A348249FF@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <80FB4185-872E-4013-95CC-889C37E89266@conncoll.edu>

Thanks. Let me just make sure I understand this part. Do you mean  
that I need to have platform-dependency code in my stacks, so every  
time I use "answer" I'd need something like this?

if tPlatform is "OSX" then
     answer "Here's a sample" with "one" or "two" or "three"
else
     answer "Here's a sample" with "three" or "two" or "one"
end if

(??)

I'm still working on the other parts of your very quick & helpful  
answer.

Charles


On Jul 26, 2005, at 2:10 PM, MisterX wrote:

>
>
>> PROBLEM 2: in "answer" commands, the choices I specify are
>> there, but they're in reversed order.
>>
>
> reverse the order of "your" buttons, works great!
>



From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Tue Jul 26 14:28:10 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:28:10 -0400
Subject: Mac -> Win problems
In-Reply-To: <20050726175948.87A348249FF@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050726175948.87A348249FF@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <161EA869-A9EF-4A53-8D08-632E36933804@conncoll.edu>

? I'm not using (specifying) anything in the way of icons at all. I  
do set the background (fill) color of the card differently in  
different parts of the main stack to keep the user oriented, but that  
doesn't look like the problem -- the cursor disappears over the  
_whole_ face of the stack, background, text fields, and all.

Charles

On Jul 26, 2005, at 2:10 PM, MisterX wrote:

>
>
>> PROBLEM 1: On WinXP, the cursor disappears whenever I mouse
>> onto a stack.
>>
>
> dont use colors icons!
> wait a coming release (i think there's been enough beaching
> aboutit...
>



From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Tue Jul 26 14:33:41 2005
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:33:41 +0100
Subject: rotating images
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760988@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C03760988@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <a05210604bf0c31b56392@[192.168.80.100]>

Hi,

One way is to add a handler to the Card Script as so:

on RotateImages

--
--  Rotate each image
--
send "RotateImages" to me in 10 seconds

end RotateImages


Then to get it started:

on openCard

send "RotateImages" to this card in 10 seconds  ---Or less if you 
want the 1st rotate to start straight away.

end openCard


Hope this helps
Dave



>Hello everyone,
>
>I have question about rotating images.
>I want to rotate (changing) images every 10 seconds on the same card
>
>I create main stack which has card (cd1).  In card cd1 I have 5 images.
>I want to rotate these images every 10 seconds; each image will take to
>an URL when it is clicked
>
>I tried to do this on different card by using "go next cd" but I don't
>know how to do this on the same cd
>
>Thanks for your help
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue Jul 26 14:36:44 2005
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:36:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Mac -> Win problems
In-Reply-To: <80FB4185-872E-4013-95CC-889C37E89266@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507261136020.20300-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Yes.  I believe so.  It is due to a difference in HIG for the two
platforms.

Judy
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005, Charles Hartman wrote:

> Thanks. Let me just make sure I understand this part. Do you mean
> that I need to have platform-dependency code in my stacks, so every
> time I use "answer" I'd need something like this?
>
> if tPlatform is "OSX" then
>      answer "Here's a sample" with "one" or "two" or "three"
> else
>      answer "Here's a sample" with "three" or "two" or "one"
> end if



From transcom at comcast.net  Tue Jul 26 14:41:33 2005
From: transcom at comcast.net (Michael Mandaville)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:41:33 -0700
Subject: Application on Task -Dan Shafer Book
Message-ID: <BF0BD1ED.1A80%transcom@comcast.net>

I'm a Newbie, working through the Tutorials and Dan Shafer's book.

So far, I've built the application up to page 266 in the book "Revolution"
However, while I've gone over the scripts more than a few times, I don't
believe that I have any errors and that they're in the right places, i.e.,
object, stack, etc.,

I still cannot populate the list or txt file with a task.

If anybody is familiar with the Dan Shafter app, I would appreciate some
guidance to get me past this roadblock.  Happy to share the final app - with
my hopefully correct comments - with anybody who wants it.

I can email the stack at will.
Thank you,

Michael Mandaville 




From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Tue Jul 26 14:47:58 2005
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:47:58 +0100
Subject: Mac -> Win problems
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507261136020.20300-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507261136020.20300-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <a05210605bf0c34e322d5@[192.168.80.100]>

It's the age old "Ok" on right (Mac) or "Ok" on Left (Windoze). IMO, 
it is better to have a standard function that calls the answer (or 
whatever) command having swapped the buttons in necessary, e.g.\

function DoXPlatformDialog

if tPlatform is "OSX" then
   answer "Here's a sample" with "one" or "two" or "three"
else
   answer "Here's a sample" with "three" or "two" or "one"
end if

end DoXPlatformDialog

In one of my Apps, I actually create the button dymanically depending 
on the OS, that way you can position the "OK" and "Cancel" button 
appropriately depending on the OS.

Take Care
Dave

>Yes.  I believe so.  It is due to a difference in HIG for the two
>platforms.
>
>Judy
>On Tue, 26 Jul 2005, Charles Hartman wrote:
>
>>  Thanks. Let me just make sure I understand this part. Do you mean
>>  that I need to have platform-dependency code in my stacks, so every
>>  time I use "answer" I'd need something like this?
>>
>  > if tPlatform is "OSX" then
>>       answer "Here's a sample" with "one" or "two" or "three"
>>  else
>>       answer "Here's a sample" with "three" or "two" or "one"
>>  end if
>
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From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Tue Jul 26 14:55:16 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:55:16 -0400
Subject: Mac -> Win problems
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507261136020.20300-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507261136020.20300-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <2EF2B6D4-784D-481A-B1F5-FA72586B9F7E@conncoll.edu>

(this is off-list because I'm tired of being A Complainer on list)

Am I missing something? The HI guidelines for the two platforms are  
different. Rev is a cross-platform app builder. Yet it builds apps  
that -- in this low-level design area -- don't conform to the  
different HIGs? There's a Rev engine for Win, there's a Rev engine  
for Mac, they both talk to the underlying platform to put up an  
"answer" dialog, and they don't take account of this difference  
between the platforms? Isn't there something wrong with this??

Charles



On Jul 26, 2005, at 2:36 PM, Judy Perry wrote:

> Yes.  I believe so.  It is due to a difference in HIG for the two
> platforms.
>
> Judy
> On Tue, 26 Jul 2005, Charles Hartman wrote:
>
>
>> Thanks. Let me just make sure I understand this part. Do you mean
>> that I need to have platform-dependency code in my stacks, so every
>> time I use "answer" I'd need something like this?
>>
>> if tPlatform is "OSX" then
>>      answer "Here's a sample" with "one" or "two" or "three"
>> else
>>      answer "Here's a sample" with "three" or "two" or "one"
>> end if
>>
>
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From b.xavier at internet.lu  Tue Jul 26 15:37:52 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:37:52 +0200
Subject: Mac -> Win problems
In-Reply-To: <2EF2B6D4-784D-481A-B1F5-FA72586B9F7E@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <20050726192709.37E33824D0D@mail.runrev.com>

Charles,

Same wrong thing with file handling... but it does allow you
to have the low-level edge...

once you're made your standard ask and answer dialogs conform,
you'll be sailing smoother...

cheers
Xavier 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Charles Hartman
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 20:55
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Mac -> Win problems
> 
> (this is off-list because I'm tired of being A Complainer on list)
> 
> Am I missing something? The HI guidelines for the two 
> platforms are different. Rev is a cross-platform app builder. 
> Yet it builds apps that -- in this low-level design area -- 
> don't conform to the different HIGs? There's a Rev engine for 
> Win, there's a Rev engine for Mac, they both talk to the 
> underlying platform to put up an "answer" dialog, and they 
> don't take account of this difference between the platforms? 
> Isn't there something wrong with this??
> 
> Charles
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 26, 2005, at 2:36 PM, Judy Perry wrote:
> 
> > Yes.  I believe so.  It is due to a difference in HIG for the two 
> > platforms.
> >
> > Judy
> > On Tue, 26 Jul 2005, Charles Hartman wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Thanks. Let me just make sure I understand this part. Do you mean 
> >> that I need to have platform-dependency code in my stacks, 
> so every 
> >> time I use "answer" I'd need something like this?
> >>
> >> if tPlatform is "OSX" then
> >>      answer "Here's a sample" with "one" or "two" or "three"
> >> else
> >>      answer "Here's a sample" with "three" or "two" or "one"
> >> end if
> >>
> >
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> 
> Charles Hartman
> Professor of English, Poet in Residence
> Connecticut College
> charles.hartman at conncoll.edu
> *the Scandroid* is at cherry.conncoll.edu/cohar/Programs.htm
> 
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From see3d at writeme.com  Tue Jul 26 15:41:58 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:41:58 -0400
Subject: revDocWiki
In-Reply-To: <AA5E8E28-E69B-4567-85B8-ACDDAE191DDE@danshafer.com>
References: <p06200700bf0b270ae35a@[10.0.1.2]>
	<AA5E8E28-E69B-4567-85B8-ACDDAE191DDE@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <E3578306-7388-4037-89F5-2AA0CC12046A@writeme.com>

Dan,

I would obviously try to add a couple cents worth of data, but I am  
still in a learning mode, so my input might be limited to feedback.

Even though Heather had defended RunRevs efforts in the docs area, I  
can not see any reason not to proceed with a Wiki idea.  I can  
understand RunRevs reluctance to pre-announce new language features,  
but I can not fathom any reason why an outline of the plans for  
better docs could not be shared with the community (at least the  
senior members like you).  With an understanding of the direction  
RunRev is taking for future docs, the user community can dovetail its  
efforts into the most helpful supporting role.  Otherwise, RunRev  
runs the risk of losing control of where the customers turn to find  
out how to run the tool.  A Wiki could become the doc of choice.  It  
would be better if RunRev took an active role in supporting it, but  
it should proceed in any case.  The user community potentially has  
ten times the energy to put into this than RunRev does.

I could see questions on this list referring one to a Wiki entry that  
already answers it, and when it does not, the final answer can become  
an addition or a new entry.  The power of this list turned into a  
Wiki --what a concept!

Dennis


On Jul 26, 2005, at 11:15 AM, Dan Shafer wrote:

> As would I. And I have a lot of stuff already written that I'd  
> contribute to a structured documentation site/page/Wiki/product.
>
> The docs are already in XML. Jerry Daniels has written a parser for  
> them that gets used in his Transcript Gadget.
>
>
> On Jul 25, 2005, at 4:43 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:
>
>
>> What would *I* be willing to do? Well, at least I can write. If a  
>> property, chunk, object, command, etc., might benefit from a  
>> verbose alternative to the usual terse dictionary entry, I would  
>> be willing to write verbose explanations of some items I  
>> understand well, and submit them to the wiki.
>>
>>
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author
> http://www.shafermedia.com
> Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
> From http://www.revolutionpros.com, Click "My Stuff"
>
>
>
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From davis.phil at comcast.net  Tue Jul 26 16:11:39 2005
From: davis.phil at comcast.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 13:11:39 -0700
Subject: Mac -> Win problems
In-Reply-To: <0DFFD537-CDDC-42A9-8341-9034125780C7@conncoll.edu>
References: <0DFFD537-CDDC-42A9-8341-9034125780C7@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <42E698FB.9030705@comcast.net>

Charles Hartman wrote:
> I've got an app (about 500kb) mostly finished in OSX, in DreamCard. I  
> just got access to the Win XP machine I use to test x-platform apps.  I 
> have three problems, and I'd be grateful for suggestions. The first  two 
> are (I'm guessing) known and not too hard, though I don't see  anything 
> in the docs to cover them. The third one I suspect may be  hard enough 
> to make me wish I hadn't started on this project.
> 
> PROBLEM 1: ...
> 
> PROBLEM 2: ...
> 
> PROBLEM 3: One interactive tutorial works like this: In Courier (for  
> the sake of monospaced alignment between lines) there's a line of  text, 
> with a line of marks over it. The marks, in various  combinations at 
> various times, are covered up by opaque, borderless  fields, which are 
> hidden (revealing the mark below) in response to  mouse-clicks. But on 
> WinXP, though the font is the same (Courier  New), the size is 
> different! So the mark-hiding fields don't cover  their marks.

Hi Charles,

Even if you use Courier New and you find the Win and Mac equivalent 
textSizes, you'll still encounter the issue of different text origin 
points in the field on the respective platforms. (By 'origin point' I 
mean the x:y coordinate within the field where you would find the 
bottomLeft pixel of the first character in the field.)

You can manage the text origin issue a couple of ways:

- you can apply one set of field margins for Mac and another for Windows.

- you can position the field at different locs on the different platforms.

- you can display a screenshot of the field and not the field itself. 
This is my current favorite, because it's air-tight as long as (1) 
you're only dealing with screen displays, not printing, and (2) the 
displayed text will never need to be selected or edited by the end user. 
This option also lets you use whatever font you like, without regard to 
cross-platform anything.


HTH -
Phil Davis


From revdan at danshafer.com  Tue Jul 26 16:45:28 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 13:45:28 -0700
Subject: Application on Task -Dan Shafer Book
In-Reply-To: <BF0BD1ED.1A80%transcom@comcast.net>
References: <BF0BD1ED.1A80%transcom@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BDB21C17-1E13-41E5-A40F-062539BF1D35@danshafer.com>

Michael.....

As far as I know this code is fine and works correctly. I just ran it  
again on 2.6.1 on OS X and it seems to behave correctly.

Why don't you email me the stack off-list (revdan at danshafer.com) and  
I'll take a look and see if I can spot the problem.

What version of Rev are you using on what platform?


On Jul 26, 2005, at 11:41 AM, Michael Mandaville wrote:

> I'm a Newbie, working through the Tutorials and Dan Shafer's book.
>
> So far, I've built the application up to page 266 in the book  
> "Revolution"
> However, while I've gone over the scripts more than a few times, I  
> don't
> believe that I have any errors and that they're in the right  
> places, i.e.,
> object, stack, etc.,
>
> I still cannot populate the list or txt file with a task.
>
> If anybody is familiar with the Dan Shafter app, I would appreciate  
> some
> guidance to get me past this roadblock.  Happy to share the final  
> app - with
> my hopefully correct comments - with anybody who wants it.
>
> I can email the stack at will.
> Thank you,
>
> Michael Mandaville
>
>
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
 From http://www.revolutionpros.com, Click "My Stuff"





From brad at activadesign.com  Tue Jul 26 16:49:18 2005
From: brad at activadesign.com (Brad Borch)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:49:18 -0400
Subject: Fonts & Unicode
In-Reply-To: <edde75962678150648e209a463d26bfc@swcp.com>
References: <dc2u6o$9kg$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<edde75962678150648e209a463d26bfc@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <dc67kl$f05$1@sea.gmane.org>

I've been working through trying to figure out what takes precedence in 
the font applied to unicode text in a field. Here's what I found. Maybe 
this will help someone else avoid frustration.

1. For non-unicode text, the textFont of the object or its parent:
the textFont of the stack >
the textFont of the group >
the textFont of the card >
the textFont of the object

This setting applies to non-unicode text to which no specific inline 
style has been applied.

2. The htmlText of the text includes inline styles that allow fonts to 
be applied: "<font face="Arial" size="18"><b>de</b></font>."

3. If Rev encounters unstyled unicode text, either by being pasted in or 
typing in with an alternate keyboard encoding, it converts it to a 
unicode font. The html of the text includes a font tag and the unicode 
entities:

<font face="Geneva" lang="en-UC">&#945;&#946;&#948;&#947;&#949;</font>

4. If the text pasted in is styled text from a Unicode font, the 
htmlText reflects this:

<font face="TITUS Cyberbit Basic" 
lang="el">&#945;&#946;&#948;&#966;&#949;</font>

Note the "lang='el'" parameter. The "el" stands for "Ellinas," which is 
the Greek word for... Greek. Presumably Rev looks at the range the 
character is in, determines what language it is, and sets this parameter 
accordingly.

So it is possible to get extended characters by by setting the htmlText 
to include entities, or by setting the unicodeText. However, this does 
NOT change the actual font used; Revolution still uses whichever font it 
has determined is the unicode font. On the Mac, it appears to be using 
Lucida Grande. On the PC, it appears to be Arial. I cannot tell because 
the htmlText does not reflect the actual font used to show the unicode 
characters.

Also, if you try to change the font of unicode text using the menu, the 
text gets converted back to single-byte characters.

So, assuming I can install a unicode font on the user's machine, I'm 
still stuck because I have no way to force Rev to use that particular font.



From brad at activadesign.com  Tue Jul 26 17:07:16 2005
From: brad at activadesign.com (Brad Borch)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:07:16 -0400
Subject: fonts & unicode
Message-ID: <dc68m5$hsr$1@sea.gmane.org>

I've been working through trying to figure out what takes precedence in 
the font applied to unicode text in a field. Here's what I found. Maybe 
this will help someone else avoid frustration.

1. For non-unicode text, the textFont of the object or its parent:
the textFont of the stack >
the textFont of the group >
the textFont of the card >
the textFont of the object

This setting applies to non-unicode text to which no specific inline 
style has been applied.

2. The htmlText of the text includes inline styles that allow fonts to 
be applied: "<font face="Arial" size="18"><b>de</b></font>."

3. If Rev encounters unstyled unicode text, either by being pasted in or 
typing in with an alternate keyboard encoding, it converts it to a 
unicode font. The html of the text includes a font tag and the unicode 
entities:

<font face="Geneva" lang="en-UC">&#945;&#946;&#948;&#947;&#949;</font>

4. If the text pasted in is styled text from a Unicode font, the 
htmlText reflects this:

<font face="TITUS Cyberbit Basic" 
lang="el">&#945;&#946;&#948;&#966;&#949;</font>

Note the "lang='el'" parameter. The "el" stands for "Ellinas," which is 
the Greek word for... Greek. Presumably Rev looks at the range the 
character is in, determines what language it is, and sets this parameter 
accordingly.

So it is possible to get extended characters by by setting the htmlText 
to include entities, or by setting the unicodeText. However, this does 
NOT change the actual font used; Revolution still uses whichever font it 
has determined is the unicode font. On the Mac, it appears to be using 
Lucida Grande. On the PC, it appears to be Arial. I cannot tell because 
the htmlText does not reflect the actual font used to show the unicode 
characters.

Also, if you try to change the font of unicode text using the menu, the 
text gets converted back to single-byte characters.

So, assuming I can install a unicode font on the user's machine, I'm 
still stuck because I have no way to force Rev to use that particular font.



From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Jul 26 17:18:57 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:18:57 -0500
Subject: revDocWiki
In-Reply-To: <AA5E8E28-E69B-4567-85B8-ACDDAE191DDE@danshafer.com>
References: <p06200700bf0b270ae35a@[10.0.1.2]>
	<AA5E8E28-E69B-4567-85B8-ACDDAE191DDE@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <42E6A8C1.3070800@chipp.com>

I should mention the parser Jerry modified (and I did too, and even 
perhaps Mr. Sanke as well) originated from Richard Gaskin's generous 
contribution for his help stack for MC. Thanks Richard!


Dan Shafer wrote:

> The docs are already in XML. Jerry Daniels has written a parser for  
> them that gets used in his Transcript Gadget.



From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Jul 26 17:21:05 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:21:05 -0500
Subject: Another Doc Thought
In-Reply-To: <20050726152500.6DCA382493F@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050726152500.6DCA382493F@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <42E6A941.9070206@chipp.com>

LOL, Truer words were never spoke

MisterX wrote:

> The typical cycle in a rev programmer's life is
> 
> woah!
> hummmmm
> maillist - it just doesn't work!
> maillist - it's crap
> maillist - aaah
> woah, it works!
> cool my first program*
> maillist - it stopped working, im lost
> maillist - aaah!
> cool my first cool program
> maillist - where's the 3d stuff everyone has (or color cursors, or normal
> html rendering, etc...)
> maillist - rant where is it?
> maillist - darn... hurry up rev...
> cool, i managed to interpret it in xtalk
> maillist - my new cooler than cool program
> maillist - thanks thanks
> maillist - oops, a mistake slipped in!
> (GOTO "cool, my second program")* -- and third, and so on...
> just have to abide to the cycle



From tjframe at gmail.com  Tue Jul 26 17:28:33 2005
From: tjframe at gmail.com (TJ Frame)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:28:33 -0700
Subject: Burning Transparancy level into an Image
Message-ID: <7348a9e80507261428629166f6@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
 Anyone know how to "collapse" or "burn in" the alpha channel of an image 
such that the image no longer has any transparency but looks like it did 
when it still had the transparency?
 I'm making an app that manipulates graphics on top of an imported 
background image and activating the blend of the background image reduces 
speed greatly vs. having a non blended image underneath.
 Right now I'm kludging it by bringing the source image into an image 
control, setting its blend level (either directly through the Alphadata or 
the Blendlevel), then saving it as a jpeg and reimporting the image back 
into Rev...
 I would be grateful if anyone has a more elegant solution by correctly 
dipping into the Imagedata/Alphadata the first time
 Thanks,
 - TJ


From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Tue Jul 26 17:43:42 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:43:42 -0400
Subject: Mac -> Win problems
In-Reply-To: <42E698FB.9030705@comcast.net>
References: <0DFFD537-CDDC-42A9-8341-9034125780C7@conncoll.edu>
	<42E698FB.9030705@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <6F175811-FDAA-47A3-85C4-4B4B1AE6EA85@conncoll.edu>

On Jul 26, 2005, at 4:11 PM, Phil Davis wrote:

> Even if you use Courier New and you find the Win and Mac equivalent  
> textSizes, you'll still encounter the issue of different text  
> origin points in the field on the respective platforms. (By 'origin  
> point' I mean the x:y coordinate within the field where you would  
> find the bottomLeft pixel of the first character in the field.)

OK, thanks. But how _do_ I find the real text size? The textSize  
property just gives it in points, and those are pretty clearly not  
equivalent cross-platform. Is there a text-size-in-pixels function  
I'm missing somewhere? (Especially text _length_ -- that's where I'm  
getting into trouble.)

If I had that, I could -- per platform -- figure the size of a bit of  
(Courier) text and adjust all the "hiding" fields accordingly, though  
it would sure be a chore.

> You can manage the text origin issue a couple of ways:
>
> - you can apply one set of field margins for Mac and another for  
> Windows.
>
> - you can position the field at different locs on the different  
> platforms.
>
> - you can display a screenshot of the field and not the field  
> itself. This is my current favorite, because it's air-tight as long  
> as (1) you're only dealing with screen displays, not printing, and  
> (2) the displayed text will never need to be selected or edited by  
> the end user. This option also lets you use whatever font you like,  
> without regard to cross-platform anything.

If I understand what you're suggesting there at the end, it has the  
same problem as the other solution I thought of: having alternative  
versions of the text field in question, and replacing the initial  
version (hey, presto) with a new one each time a button is pressed.  
But it runs into a problem combinatorial explosion. If one card has  
(say) four "hiding" fields to be hidden (revealing the underlying  
marks), I have no way to predict the order in which the user will  
click the buttons to do each of them. So I would need, just for that  
card, sixteen versions of the field. Same with screenshots, as far as  
I can see. Since there are several dozen cards in this section of the  
stack, that's beginning to look like drudgery on a scale I can't afford.

I hope my description of the situation makes sense.

The solution I was trying to instantiate is one that worked quite  
simply in HyperCard (a thousand years ago). Of course that wasn't  
cross-platform.

Charles



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Jul 26 17:47:41 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:47:41 -0500
Subject: Mac -> Win problems
In-Reply-To: <20050726192709.37E33824D0D@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BF0C19AD.26536%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 7/26/05 2:37 PM, "MisterX" <b.xavier at internet.lu> wrote:

> Charles,
> 
> Same wrong thing with file handling... but it does allow you
> to have the low-level edge...

What do you mean, Xavier? What is backwards with file handling?

> once you're made your standard ask and answer dialogs conform,
> you'll be sailing smoother...

Actually, Rev is designed to handle the differences when all you're
providing is OK and Cancel (in *that* case, reversing the buttons is correct
for the HIGs on both platforms); it's just that if you use any other buttons
it doesn't work right (i.e. it reverses them when it shouldn't).

HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com




From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Jul 26 17:54:33 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:54:33 -0500
Subject: Burning Transparancy level into an Image
In-Reply-To: <7348a9e80507261428629166f6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BF0C1B49.2653A%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 7/26/05 4:28 PM, "TJ Frame" <tjframe at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>  Anyone know how to "collapse" or "burn in" the alpha channel of an image
> such that the image no longer has any transparency but looks like it did
> when it still had the transparency?
>  I'm making an app that manipulates graphics on top of an imported
> background image and activating the blend of the background image reduces
> speed greatly vs. having a non blended image underneath.
>  Right now I'm kludging it by bringing the source image into an image
> control, setting its blend level (either directly through the Alphadata or
> the Blendlevel), then saving it as a jpeg and reimporting the image back
> into Rev...
>  I would be grateful if anyone has a more elegant solution by correctly
> dipping into the Imagedata/Alphadata the first time

TJ, take a look at the Image tips on my site, specifically:

http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/revolution.htm?_imag005

HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com




From davis.phil at comcast.net  Tue Jul 26 18:08:48 2005
From: davis.phil at comcast.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:08:48 -0700
Subject: Mac -> Win problems
In-Reply-To: <6F175811-FDAA-47A3-85C4-4B4B1AE6EA85@conncoll.edu>
References: <0DFFD537-CDDC-42A9-8341-9034125780C7@conncoll.edu>	<42E698FB.9030705@comcast.net>
	<6F175811-FDAA-47A3-85C4-4B4B1AE6EA85@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <42E6B470.9080901@comcast.net>

Charles Hartman wrote:
> On Jul 26, 2005, at 4:11 PM, Phil Davis wrote:
-- snip --
>> - you can display a screenshot of the field and not the field  itself. 
>> This is my current favorite, because it's air-tight as long  as (1) 
>> you're only dealing with screen displays, not printing, and  (2) the 
>> displayed text will never need to be selected or edited by  the end 
>> user. This option also lets you use whatever font you like,  without 
>> regard to cross-platform anything.
> 
> 
> If I understand what you're suggesting there at the end, it has the  
> same problem as the other solution I thought of: having alternative  
> versions of the text field in question, and replacing the initial  
> version (hey, presto) with a new one each time a button is pressed.  But 
> it runs into a problem combinatorial explosion. If one card has  (say) 
> four "hiding" fields to be hidden (revealing the underlying  marks), I 
> have no way to predict the order in which the user will  click the 
> buttons to do each of them. So I would need, just for that  card, 
> sixteen versions of the field. Same with screenshots, as far as  I can 
> see. Since there are several dozen cards in this section of the  stack, 
> that's beginning to look like drudgery on a scale I can't afford.

Sorry if I lost something in the translation here, but... If your text 
(and the field) always had the exact same metrics throughout on both 
platforms, wouldn't that make your cover fields always work? If so, it 
seems to me that's what you'd get by using a screenshot of your field 
instead of the field itself.

Feel free to correct me...

Phil


From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Jul 26 18:13:03 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:13:03 +0100
Subject: Mac -> Win problems
In-Reply-To: <161EA869-A9EF-4A53-8D08-632E36933804@conncoll.edu>
References: <20050726175948.87A348249FF@mail.runrev.com>
	<161EA869-A9EF-4A53-8D08-632E36933804@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <42E6B56F.5090302@tweedly.net>

Charles Hartman wrote:

> ? I'm not using (specifying) anything in the way of icons at all. I  
> do set the background (fill) color of the card differently in  
> different parts of the main stack to keep the user oriented, but that  
> doesn't look like the problem -- the cursor disappears over the  
> _whole_ face of the stack, background, text fields, and all.
>
>>
>>> PROBLEM 1: On WinXP, the cursor disappears whenever I mouse
>>> onto a stack.
>>>
>> dont use colors icons!
>> wait a coming release (i think there's been enough beaching
>> aboutit...
>>
>
There's another bug or two (BZ 2138 and another one I can't see right 
now) that might be what you're seeing. These happen when you run a stack 
on WinXP by double-clicking on the stack icon. I created BZ 2138 for 
this problem with the Dreamcard Player - and since I wasn't sure if it 
was intended to allow this or not, I had to mark that as an enhancement. 
I'm sure I've seen another BZ entry for the same, or very similar, 
problem with the full product - but can't immediately find it.

I now never run stacks by double clicking them because of this problem - 
I either run them in the IDE, or build standalones.

But it wasn't clear whether you are double-clicking to run it or not, so 
this may not be the answer you need.

-- 
Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net



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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jul 26 18:23:42 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:23:42 -0700
Subject: revDocWiki
In-Reply-To: <42E6A8C1.3070800@chipp.com>
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Chipp Walters wrote:

 > Dan Shafer wrote:
 >> The docs are already in XML. Jerry Daniels has written a parser for
 >> them that gets used in his Transcript Gadget.
 >
 > I should mention the parser Jerry modified (and I did too, and even
 > perhaps Mr. Sanke as well) originated from Richard Gaskin's generous
 > contribution for his help stack for MC. Thanks Richard!

My pleasure.  And thanks for the thoughtful mention.

I'm a big fan of both XML and the Rev object model, and I'm rather 
addicted to the Dictionary. My revised Dictionary shell attempts to 
deliver the best of both worlds:

XML is a great format for authoring, as it allows the individual topics 
to be moved from team member to team member for authoring and review. 
But as we've seen, indexing and parsing them on the fly is, well, 
suboptimal. :)

It's hard to beat Rev's native object model for efficiently traversing a 
body of work like this.  Even with nearly 1500 entries the mcDictionary 
loads about as quickly as the XML-based one that ships with Rev, but is 
significantly faster for moving document-to-document, since you're only 
going card-to-card rather than loading files from disk and parsing XML 
CDATA on the fly.

Jerry's done a wonderful job extending the mcDictionary stack, adding a 
lot of geat new functionality and a nifty Rossi-esque look.

Since it only takes less than a minute to import the data into the 
stack, I hope one day we can see that incorporated into Rev's automated 
build process and have it shipped with the product. Jerry's is certainly 
worthy.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jul 26 18:28:30 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:28:30 -0700
Subject: Mac -> Win problems
In-Reply-To: <42E6B470.9080901@comcast.net>
References: <0DFFD537-CDDC-42A9-8341-9034125780C7@conncoll.edu>	<42E698FB.9030705@comcast.net>	<6F175811-FDAA-47A3-85C4-4B4B1AE6EA85@conncoll.edu>
	<42E6B470.9080901@comcast.net>
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Phil Davis wrote:
> If your text (and the field) always had the exact same metrics
> throughout on both platforms, wouldn't that make your cover
> fields always work?

There's a font with identical metrics on multiple platforms?

I would have bet on finding the Holy Grail before finding a font foundry 
that lives up to their claims. ;)

It may not be fair of me to put the blame on the foundry.  Each OS has 
such different mechanisms for rendering text that the woeful differences 
I've had to work around may well be just a by-product of the OSes rather 
than the fonts.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jul 26 18:43:16 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:43:16 -0500
Subject: Mac -> Win problems
In-Reply-To: <0DFFD537-CDDC-42A9-8341-9034125780C7@conncoll.edu>
References: <0DFFD537-CDDC-42A9-8341-9034125780C7@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <42E6BC84.3030405@hyperactivesw.com>

Charles Hartman wrote:

> PROBLEM 1: On WinXP, the cursor disappears whenever I mouse onto a  stack.

There's a Bugzilla report about this. It started a couple of versions 
ago but the team couldn't reproduce it. No one else complained, so the 
bug was closed. Recently another customer complained about it via tech 
support, so I re-opened the bug. I can't reproduce the behavior on my 
Windows machine either, so we don't know what causes it.

If you could add your comments to the bug report, the team might be able 
to track it down. I don't think it depends on the stack itself, since 
those people who report the problem say they have it no matter what 
stack is opened. But maybe you can work with the RR guys to determine if 
there is a system setting or something that is responsible.

The bugzilla report is here:

<http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2299>

> 
> PROBLEM 2: in "answer" commands, the choices I specify are there, but  
> they're in reversed order.

As others have mentioned, the HIG for each OS is different. So I don't 
think it is really a bug, since it is correct that the last button you 
list (the default button) should be on the left on a Windows box. If you 
do decide to write platform-specific code, be ready for one side or the 
other to notice. Windows users think the Mac order is backwards.

> 
> PROBLEM 3: One interactive tutorial works like this: In Courier (for  
> the sake of monospaced alignment between lines) there's a line of  text, 
> with a line of marks over it. The marks, in various  combinations at 
> various times, are covered up by opaque, borderless  fields, which are 
> hidden (revealing the mark below) in response to  mouse-clicks. But on 
> WinXP, though the font is the same (Courier  New), the size is 
> different! So the mark-hiding fields don't cover  their marks.

Right, you are up against one of the most common cross platform issues. 
Fonts of the same name and size are not identical on different operating 
systems. One way to manage this is to find (usually by trial and error) 
a size on one machine that matches a different size on another. (Dar has 
done some experiments with this.) Mac fonts are often wider, so for 
example, if your Mac is using Courier 12, you might find a match on 
Windows by using Courier 10 or 11. You might have to juggle textheights 
the same way. Once you get the right sizes, you can run a quick 
preopencard handler that sets each field's textsize and/or textheight to 
whatever it needs.

One other thing you could do, if there is enough room, is just make your 
cover fields large enough for the worst-case font size.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From michaell at unimelb.edu.au  Tue Jul 26 19:08:47 2005
From: michaell at unimelb.edu.au (Michael J. Lew)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:08:47 +1000
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
Message-ID: <p05200f11bf0c7196fd0a@[128.250.229.137]>

I dare say this one will get me into trouble...

At 9:36 PM -0500 25/7/05, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
>
>For me, the biggest problem I have with the docs, aside from not being
>able to find things, is that when I get to a topic, there are not enough
>examples to indicate exactly how a facility might be used.  Whether this
>belongs in the "docs" or in something else is beside the point.  If I'm
>struggling with how to use a REPEAT, I need examples.

Here is some help with repeat that includes no less than 8 code 
examples. You can find many, many more examples of how and when to 
use repeat in almost any Rev project that you care to open and 
examine. I hope that helps (HTH).

I'm sorry if this post is excessively long. It is Jeanne's fault for 
writing a long dictionary entry ;-)

 From the docs:
repeat control structure 

Platform support:    
Introduced in version 1.0 (Changed in version 2.0)

Executes a set of statements repeatedly.

repeat loopForm
   statementList
end repeat

See also: each keyword, end repeat keyword, exit repeat control 
structure, for keyword, forever keyword, next repeat control 
structure, until keyword, while keyword, Why does a repeat loop 
behave strangely?

Description
Use the repeat control structure to perform the same set of actions 
for each member of a set: for example, for each card in a stack, or 
each line in a variable.

Form:
The repeat control structure always begins with the word "repeat".

The last line of a repeat control structure is the end repeat keyword.

Parameters:
The loopForm is one of the following forms:

	* forever
	* until condition
	* while condition
	* [for] number times
	* with counter = startValue [to | down to] endValue [step increment]
	* for each chunkType labelVariable in container
	* for each element labelVariable in array

The condition is any expression that evaluates to true or false.

The number, startValue, endValue, and increment are numbers or 
expressions that evaluate to numbers.

The counter or labelVariable is a legal variable name.

The chunkType is one of character (or char), word, line, item, or token.

The container is any existing container. The array is any existing 
container that contains an array of values.

The statementList consists of one or more Transcript statements, and 
can also include if, switch, try, or repeat control structures.

Comments:
How many times the statementList is executed depends on the loopForm you use.

The forever form:
The forever form continues repeating the statements in the 
statementList until an exit, exit repeat, pass, or return statement 
is executed. Usually, one of these control structures is included in 
an if control structure within the statementList.

Use the forever form if you want to test a condition at the bottom of 
the loop, after the statementList is executed. In the following 
example, the go command is executed at least once, since the 
mouseClick is not checked until after the go command:

   repeat forever
     go next card
     if the mouseClick then exit repeat -- user clicked
   end repeat

If no loopForm is specified, the forever form is used.

The until and while forms:
The until condition and while condition forms repeat the 
statementList as long as the condition is false or as long as it is 
true, respectively. Revolution re-evaluates the condition before each 
iteration.

Use the until condition or while condition form if you want to test a 
condition at the top of the loop, before the statements are executed. 
This example scrolls through the cards until the user clicks the 
mouse:

   repeat until the mouseClick
     go next
     wait for 100 milliseconds
   end repeat

The for form:
The for number times form repeats the statementList for the specified 
number of times.

The number is evaluated when the loop is first entered, and is not 
re-evaluated as a result of any actions performed in the 
statementList. For example, if the number is the number of cards, and 
the statementList contains a create card command, the loop is 
executed as many times as there were cards when the loop began, even 
though the current number of cards is changing with each iteration 
through the loop.

If the number is not an integer, it is rounded to the nearest 
integer, using the same rules as the round function.

Use the for number times form if you want to execute the 
statementList a fixed number of times. The following simple example 
beeps three times:

   repeat for 3 times
     beep
   end repeat

The with form:
The with counter = startValue to endValue form and the with counter = 
startValue down to endValue form set the counter to the startValue at 
the beginning of the loop, and increase (or decrease, if you're using 
the down to form) the countVariable by 1 each time through the loop. 
When the counter is greater than or equal to the endValue, (less than 
or equal to, if you're using the down to form), the loop performs its 
final iteration and then ends.

If you specify an increment, the increment is added to the counter 
each time through the loop, rather than the counter being increased 
by 1. (The increment is not treated as an absolute value: if you're 
using the down to form, the increment must be negative.)

As with the for number times form described above, the startValue and 
endValue are evaluated when the loop is first entered, and are not 
re-evaluated as a result of any actions performed in the 
statementList.

Use one of these forms if you want to perform an action on each 
member of a set, and you need to refer to the member by number within 
the statementList. The following example loops through all the 
controls on the current card. The counter x is 1 during the first 
iteration, 2 during the second, and so on:

   repeat with x = 1 to the number of controls
     show control x
   end repeat

The following example loops backwards through a set of lines. The 
counter myLine is 20 during the first iteration, 18 during the 
second, and so on:

   repeat with myLine = 20 down to 1 step -2
     put myLine
   end repeat

   Note:  It is possible to change the counter variable in a statement 
in the loop. However, doing this is not recommended, because it makes 
the loop logic difficult to follow:

   repeat with x = 1 to 20 -- this loop actually repeats ten times
     answer x
     add 1 to x -- not recommended
   end repeat

The for each form:
The for each chunkType labelVariable in container form sets the 
labelVariable to the first chunk of the specified chunkType in the 
container at the beginning of the loop, then sets it to the next 
chunk for each iteration. For example, if the chunkType is word, the 
labelVariable is set to the next word in the container for each 
iteration of the loop.

Use the for each form if you want to perform an action on each chunk 
in a container. This form is much faster than the with countVariable 
= startValue to endValue form when looping through the chunks of a 
container. The following example changes a return-delimited list to a 
comma-delimited list:

   repeat for each line thisLine in myList
     put thisLine & comma after newList
   end repeat
   if last char of newList is comma then delete last char of newList

The for each element labelVariable in array form sets the 
labelVariable to the first element in the array at the beginning of 
the loop, then sets it to the next element for each iteration.

   Important!  You cannot change the labelVariable in a statement 
inside the loop. Doing so will cause a script error. You can change 
the content of the container, but doing so will probably produce 
unexpected results.

Use the for each form if you want to perform an action on each 
element in an array. The following example gets only the multi-word 
entries in an array of phrases:

   repeat for each element thisIndexTerm in listOfTerms
     if the number of words in thisIndexTerm > 1
     then put thisIndexTerm & return after multiWordTerms
   end repeat

   Note:  The repeat control structure is implemented internally as a 
command and appears in the commandNames.

Changes to Transcript:
The ability to specify an increment for the repeat with counter = 
startValue to endValue form was added in version 2.0. In previous 
versions, this form of the repeat control structure always 
incremented or decremented the counter by 1 each time through the 
loop.
-- 
Michael J. Lew

Senior Lecturer
Department of Pharmacology
The University of Melbourne
Parkville 3010
Victoria
Australia

Phone +613 8344 8304

**
New email address: michaell at unimelb.edu.au
**


From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Tue Jul 26 19:11:57 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:11:57 -0400
Subject: Mac -> Win problems
In-Reply-To: <42E6B56F.5090302@tweedly.net>
References: <20050726175948.87A348249FF@mail.runrev.com>
	<161EA869-A9EF-4A53-8D08-632E36933804@conncoll.edu>
	<42E6B56F.5090302@tweedly.net>
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> There's another bug or two (BZ 2138 and another one I can't see  
> right now) that might be what you're seeing. These happen when you  
> run a stack on WinXP by double-clicking on the stack icon. I  
> created BZ 2138 for this problem with the Dreamcard Player - and  
> since I wasn't sure if it was intended to allow this or not, I had  
> to mark that as an enhancement. I'm sure I've seen another BZ entry  
> for the same, or very similar, problem with the full product - but  
> can't immediately find it.
>
> I now never run stacks by double clicking them because of this  
> problem - I either run them in the IDE, or build standalones.
>
> But it wasn't clear whether you are double-clicking to run it or  
> not, so this may not be the answer you need.
>
> -- 
> Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net

I'm running by double-clicking -- because all I've got is DreamCard,  
so I can't build standalones. And I suspect my users (they'll  
download the Win or Mac player, I hope from my site where they get  
the stack) will do it the same way. There's no evident other way to  
tell the Player to load the stack; I may have missed it -- but if so,  
users may well too. (I'll have to give them instructions anyway, of  
course.)

So -- it's a bug, already known. Is there also a known workaround?  
The app is hardly useable as it is.

Charles



From Hamburger1 at aol.com  Tue Jul 26 19:15:06 2005
From: Hamburger1 at aol.com (Hamburger1 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:15:06 EDT
Subject: Disappearing Objects
Message-ID: <1a8.3bc39a38.30181dfa@aol.com>

Hi Rev Fans,

OK, so I converted my first HC stack today. Everything was going along 
surprisingly well. That was until I tried to add a menubar to the converted stack. 
At that point all my fields and buttons vanished! I know they are still there 
though because they are still listed in the inspector. What do I need to do to 
see those fields and buttons again?

Joe
Orlando, FL


From jbondy at sover.net  Tue Jul 26 19:17:12 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:17:12 -0400
Subject: Praise:  Rev Documentation to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <p05200f11bf0c7196fd0a@[128.250.229.137]>
References: <p05200f11bf0c7196fd0a@[128.250.229.137]>
Message-ID: <42E6C478.107@sover.net>

Not from me!  I guess I chose a horribly wrong example!  Point taken!

:)

Jon


Michael J. Lew wrote:

> I dare say this one will get me into trouble...
>
> At 9:36 PM -0500 25/7/05, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
>
>>
>> For me, the biggest problem I have with the docs, aside from not being
>> able to find things, is that when I get to a topic, there are not enough
>> examples to indicate exactly how a facility might be used.  Whether this
>> belongs in the "docs" or in something else is beside the point.  If I'm
>> struggling with how to use a REPEAT, I need examples.
>
>
> Here is some help with repeat that includes no less than 8 code 
> examples. You can find many, many more examples of how and when to use 
> repeat in almost any Rev project that you care to open and examine. I 
> hope that helps (HTH).
>
> I'm sorry if this post is excessively long. It is Jeanne's fault for 
> writing a long dictionary entry ;-)
>
> From the docs:
> repeat control structure
> Platform support:    Introduced in version 1.0 (Changed in version 2.0)
>
> Executes a set of statements repeatedly.
>
> repeat loopForm
>   statementList
> end repeat
>
> See also: each keyword, end repeat keyword, exit repeat control 
> structure, for keyword, forever keyword, next repeat control 
> structure, until keyword, while keyword, Why does a repeat loop behave 
> strangely?
>
> Description
> Use the repeat control structure to perform the same set of actions 
> for each member of a set: for example, for each card in a stack, or 
> each line in a variable.
>
> Form:
> The repeat control structure always begins with the word "repeat".
>
> The last line of a repeat control structure is the end repeat keyword.
>
> Parameters:
> The loopForm is one of the following forms:
>
>     * forever
>     * until condition
>     * while condition
>     * [for] number times
>     * with counter = startValue [to | down to] endValue [step increment]
>     * for each chunkType labelVariable in container
>     * for each element labelVariable in array
>
> The condition is any expression that evaluates to true or false.
>
> The number, startValue, endValue, and increment are numbers or 
> expressions that evaluate to numbers.
>
> The counter or labelVariable is a legal variable name.
>
> The chunkType is one of character (or char), word, line, item, or token.
>
> The container is any existing container. The array is any existing 
> container that contains an array of values.
>
> The statementList consists of one or more Transcript statements, and 
> can also include if, switch, try, or repeat control structures.
>
> Comments:
> How many times the statementList is executed depends on the loopForm 
> you use.
>
> The forever form:
> The forever form continues repeating the statements in the 
> statementList until an exit, exit repeat, pass, or return statement is 
> executed. Usually, one of these control structures is included in an 
> if control structure within the statementList.
>
> Use the forever form if you want to test a condition at the bottom of 
> the loop, after the statementList is executed. In the following 
> example, the go command is executed at least once, since the 
> mouseClick is not checked until after the go command:
>
>   repeat forever
>     go next card
>     if the mouseClick then exit repeat -- user clicked
>   end repeat
>
> If no loopForm is specified, the forever form is used.
>
> The until and while forms:
> The until condition and while condition forms repeat the statementList 
> as long as the condition is false or as long as it is true, 
> respectively. Revolution re-evaluates the condition before each 
> iteration.
>
> Use the until condition or while condition form if you want to test a 
> condition at the top of the loop, before the statements are executed. 
> This example scrolls through the cards until the user clicks the mouse:
>
>   repeat until the mouseClick
>     go next
>     wait for 100 milliseconds
>   end repeat
>
> The for form:
> The for number times form repeats the statementList for the specified 
> number of times.
>
> The number is evaluated when the loop is first entered, and is not 
> re-evaluated as a result of any actions performed in the 
> statementList. For example, if the number is the number of cards, and 
> the statementList contains a create card command, the loop is executed 
> as many times as there were cards when the loop began, even though the 
> current number of cards is changing with each iteration through the loop.
>
> If the number is not an integer, it is rounded to the nearest integer, 
> using the same rules as the round function.
>
> Use the for number times form if you want to execute the statementList 
> a fixed number of times. The following simple example beeps three times:
>
>   repeat for 3 times
>     beep
>   end repeat
>
> The with form:
> The with counter = startValue to endValue form and the with counter = 
> startValue down to endValue form set the counter to the startValue at 
> the beginning of the loop, and increase (or decrease, if you're using 
> the down to form) the countVariable by 1 each time through the loop. 
> When the counter is greater than or equal to the endValue, (less than 
> or equal to, if you're using the down to form), the loop performs its 
> final iteration and then ends.
>
> If you specify an increment, the increment is added to the counter 
> each time through the loop, rather than the counter being increased by 
> 1. (The increment is not treated as an absolute value: if you're using 
> the down to form, the increment must be negative.)
>
> As with the for number times form described above, the startValue and 
> endValue are evaluated when the loop is first entered, and are not 
> re-evaluated as a result of any actions performed in the statementList.
>
> Use one of these forms if you want to perform an action on each member 
> of a set, and you need to refer to the member by number within the 
> statementList. The following example loops through all the controls on 
> the current card. The counter x is 1 during the first iteration, 2 
> during the second, and so on:
>
>   repeat with x = 1 to the number of controls
>     show control x
>   end repeat
>
> The following example loops backwards through a set of lines. The 
> counter myLine is 20 during the first iteration, 18 during the second, 
> and so on:
>
>   repeat with myLine = 20 down to 1 step -2
>     put myLine
>   end repeat
>
>   Note:  It is possible to change the counter variable in a statement 
> in the loop. However, doing this is not recommended, because it makes 
> the loop logic difficult to follow:
>
>   repeat with x = 1 to 20 -- this loop actually repeats ten times
>     answer x
>     add 1 to x -- not recommended
>   end repeat
>
> The for each form:
> The for each chunkType labelVariable in container form sets the 
> labelVariable to the first chunk of the specified chunkType in the 
> container at the beginning of the loop, then sets it to the next chunk 
> for each iteration. For example, if the chunkType is word, the 
> labelVariable is set to the next word in the container for each 
> iteration of the loop.
>
> Use the for each form if you want to perform an action on each chunk 
> in a container. This form is much faster than the with countVariable = 
> startValue to endValue form when looping through the chunks of a 
> container. The following example changes a return-delimited list to a 
> comma-delimited list:
>
>   repeat for each line thisLine in myList
>     put thisLine & comma after newList
>   end repeat
>   if last char of newList is comma then delete last char of newList
>
> The for each element labelVariable in array form sets the 
> labelVariable to the first element in the array at the beginning of 
> the loop, then sets it to the next element for each iteration.
>
>   Important!  You cannot change the labelVariable in a statement 
> inside the loop. Doing so will cause a script error. You can change 
> the content of the container, but doing so will probably produce 
> unexpected results.
>
> Use the for each form if you want to perform an action on each element 
> in an array. The following example gets only the multi-word entries in 
> an array of phrases:
>
>   repeat for each element thisIndexTerm in listOfTerms
>     if the number of words in thisIndexTerm > 1
>     then put thisIndexTerm & return after multiWordTerms
>   end repeat
>
>   Note:  The repeat control structure is implemented internally as a 
> command and appears in the commandNames.
>
> Changes to Transcript:
> The ability to specify an increment for the repeat with counter = 
> startValue to endValue form was added in version 2.0. In previous 
> versions, this form of the repeat control structure always incremented 
> or decremented the counter by 1 each time through the loop.



From davis.phil at comcast.net  Tue Jul 26 19:20:25 2005
From: davis.phil at comcast.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:20:25 -0700
Subject: Mac -> Win problems
In-Reply-To: <42E6B90E.4050301@fourthworld.com>
References: <0DFFD537-CDDC-42A9-8341-9034125780C7@conncoll.edu>	<42E698FB.9030705@comcast.net>	<6F175811-FDAA-47A3-85C4-4B4B1AE6EA85@conncoll.edu>	<42E6B470.9080901@comcast.net>
	<42E6B90E.4050301@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <42E6C539.5040800@comcast.net>

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Phil Davis wrote:
> 
>> If your text (and the field) always had the exact same metrics
>> throughout on both platforms, wouldn't that make your cover
>> fields always work?
> 
> 
> There's a font with identical metrics on multiple platforms?

Yep - it's called a snapshot of the screen (or at least of the field). 
:o)  That's what I was referring to as having the same metrics on all 
platforms. I guess I didn't finish connecting the dots in the 
explanation of my proposed solution.


Phil


From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Tue Jul 26 19:34:08 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:34:08 -0400
Subject: Mac -> Win problems
In-Reply-To: <42E6BC84.3030405@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <0DFFD537-CDDC-42A9-8341-9034125780C7@conncoll.edu>
	<42E6BC84.3030405@hyperactivesw.com>
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On Jul 26, 2005, at 6:43 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

>> PROBLEM 1: On WinXP, the cursor disappears whenever I mouse onto  
>> a  stack.

>> ....

> If you could add your comments to the bug report, the team might be  
> able to track it down. I don't think it depends on the stack  
> itself, since those people who report the problem say they have it  
> no matter what stack is opened. But maybe you can work with the RR  
> guys to determine if there is a system setting or something that is  
> responsible.

OK, I added a confirming comment, with a tiny bit more detail.

>> PROBLEM 2: in "answer" commands, the choices I specify are there,  
>> but  they're in reversed order.

> As others have mentioned, the HIG for each OS is different. So I  
> don't think it is really a bug, since it is correct that the last  
> button you list (the default button) should be on the left on a  
> Windows box. If you do decide to write platform-specific code, be  
> ready for one side or the other to notice. Windows users think the  
> Mac order is backwards.

I see the point. OK, the platform-checking code isn't especially  
onerous -- if I had a lot of "answer" dialogs I suppose I could write  
a wrapper command. (Someday would it be nice to have pre-built cross- 
platform wrappers for the basic Transcript commands?)

>> PROBLEM 3: One interactive tutorial works like this: In Courier  
>> (for  the sake of monospaced alignment between lines) there's a  
>> line of  text, with a line of marks over it. The marks, in  
>> various  combinations at various times, are covered up by opaque,  
>> borderless  fields, which are hidden (revealing the mark below) in  
>> response to  mouse-clicks. But on WinXP, though the font is the  
>> same (Courier  New), the size is different! So the mark-hiding  
>> fields don't cover  their marks.
>
> Right, you are up against one of the most common cross platform  
> issues. Fonts of the same name and size are not identical on  
> different operating systems. One way to manage this is to find  
> (usually by trial and error) a size on one machine that matches a  
> different size on another. (Dar has done some experiments with this.)

Do you know if those results are available anywhere? A table of  
comparative text-widths would be very handy,  at least for me.

> Mac fonts are often wider, so for example, if your Mac is using  
> Courier 12, you might find a match on Windows by using Courier 10  
> or 11. You might have to juggle textheights the same way. Once you  
> get the right sizes, you can run a quick preopencard handler that  
> sets each field's textsize and/or textheight to whatever it needs.

I'm already doing a preOpenStack in the main stack to set the two  
fonts (one proportional, one monospace) according to what's available  
on the runtime system. If I knew the right sizes it sounds as though  
I could make the text fit the fields, backwards as that sounds. Time  
for a lot of rolling the chair from one machine to the other, I guess.

> One other thing you could do, if there is enough room, is just make  
> your cover fields large enough for the worst-case font size.

In many cases that would presumably work. Here, though, I have a lot  
of finicky little fields. An example (I hope this comes out in  
Courier after transmission):

   /     x  |x   /  | x   (/)| x    /   | x   /
  Why should I blame her that she filled my days
   x    /|x(/)| /   x | x    /  | x   /
  With misery, or that she would of late . . .

The marks get revealed -- the fields hiding them get hidden -- in  
stages (one stage per card): first the / and x marks over  
polysyllabic words, then the / marks over stressed monosyllables,  
then the rest of the x and / marks, and finally the | marks. Within  
each of these stage, order is determined by user. So I think I have  
to work with shrinking the text instead.

Many thanks for your careful & thoughtful advice.

Charles



From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Jul 26 19:35:37 2005
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:35:37 -0600
Subject: Fonts & Unicode
In-Reply-To: <dc67kl$f05$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <dc2u6o$9kg$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<edde75962678150648e209a463d26bfc@swcp.com>
	<dc67kl$f05$1@sea.gmane.org>
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On Jul 26, 2005, at 2:49 PM, Brad Borch wrote:

> So, assuming I can install a unicode font on the user's machine, I'm 
> still stuck because I have no way to force Rev to use that particular 
> font.

This behavior in OS X 10.3 is not what I saw in 10.2:

I tried several fonts with control pictures, which are not in Lucida 
Grande.  In this case, using Unicode did not chose Lucida Grande, but 
one of them.  Which one depended on which font was enabled.  Also, if 
some fonts had only some, the font might still be chosen.

The behavior was such that I thought I'd use imageSource if I ever got 
back to that project.

What you see might be related to bugzilla 2493.

In OX X 10.2 I think my tests were only with Lucida Grande.  The 
control pictures were very ugly.  I suspect that some OS test font was 
used for some reason.

Dar

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From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Tue Jul 26 19:38:14 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:38:14 -0400
Subject: Mac -> Win problems
In-Reply-To: <42E6B470.9080901@comcast.net>
References: <0DFFD537-CDDC-42A9-8341-9034125780C7@conncoll.edu>	<42E698FB.9030705@comcast.net>
	<6F175811-FDAA-47A3-85C4-4B4B1AE6EA85@conncoll.edu>
	<42E6B470.9080901@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <FFC34A9A-387F-4211-A65F-694BE42AAD9B@conncoll.edu>

No no, you're right, I wasn't thinking clearly. (How novel!) _One_  
version of the text-and-marks field, screen-shot and therefore  
reliable in size, with covering fields tailored to that immutable  
size. Yes, that ought to work. I'll try it, especially if I can't get  
the text-size-changing approach to work (which would be an easier  
path from where I am now).

Charles


On Jul 26, 2005, at 6:08 PM, Phil Davis wrote:

>>> - you can display a screenshot of the field and not the field   
>>> itself. This is my current favorite, because it's air-tight as  
>>> long  as (1) you're only dealing with screen displays, not  
>>> printing, and  (2) the displayed text will never need to be  
>>> selected or edited by  the end user. This option also lets you  
>>> use whatever font you like,  without regard to cross-platform  
>>> anything.
>>>
>> If I understand what you're suggesting there at the end, it has  
>> the  same problem as the other solution I thought of: having  
>> alternative  versions of the text field in question, and replacing  
>> the initial  version (hey, presto) with a new one each time a  
>> button is pressed.  But it runs into a problem combinatorial  
>> explosion. If one card has  (say) four "hiding" fields to be  
>> hidden (revealing the underlying  marks), I have no way to predict  
>> the order in which the user will  click the buttons to do each of  
>> them. So I would need, just for that  card, sixteen versions of  
>> the field. Same with screenshots, as far as  I can see. Since  
>> there are several dozen cards in this section of the  stack,  
>> that's beginning to look like drudgery on a scale I can't afford.
>>
>
> Sorry if I lost something in the translation here, but... If your  
> text (and the field) always had the exact same metrics throughout  
> on both platforms, wouldn't that make your cover fields always  
> work? If so, it seems to me that's what you'd get by using a  
> screenshot of your field instead of the field itself.
>
> Feel free to correct me...



From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Jul 26 19:46:45 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:46:45 +0100
Subject: Mac -> Win problems
In-Reply-To: <7F8E5DAB-DA66-42DD-8D9D-BE75A2A8B2A1@conncoll.edu>
References: <20050726175948.87A348249FF@mail.runrev.com>	<161EA869-A9EF-4A53-8D08-632E36933804@conncoll.edu>	<42E6B56F.5090302@tweedly.net>
	<7F8E5DAB-DA66-42DD-8D9D-BE75A2A8B2A1@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <42E6CB65.6020908@tweedly.net>

Charles Hartman wrote:

>
>> There's another bug or two (BZ 2138 and another one I can't see  
>> right now) that might be what you're seeing. These happen when you  
>> run a stack on WinXP by double-clicking on the stack icon. I  created 
>> BZ 2138 for this problem with the Dreamcard Player - and  since I 
>> wasn't sure if it was intended to allow this or not, I had  to mark 
>> that as an enhancement. I'm sure I've seen another BZ entry  for the 
>> same, or very similar, problem with the full product - but  can't 
>> immediately find it.
>>
>> I now never run stacks by double clicking them because of this  
>> problem - I either run them in the IDE, or build standalones.
>>
>> But it wasn't clear whether you are double-clicking to run it or  
>> not, so this may not be the answer you need.
>>
>> -- 
>> Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net
>
>
> I'm running by double-clicking -- because all I've got is DreamCard,  
> so I can't build standalones. And I suspect my users (they'll  
> download the Win or Mac player, I hope from my site where they get  
> the stack) will do it the same way. There's no evident other way to  
> tell the Player to load the stack; I may have missed it -- but if so,  
> users may well too. (I'll have to give them instructions anyway, of  
> course.)
>
> So -- it's a bug, already known. Is there also a known workaround?  
> The app is hardly useable as it is.

You can run the player, then click on the small "folder" icon at the top 
right, and select a stack to run.

I know, I know - the most obscure, non-standard bit of UI you've seen in 
the last couple of years. Why it couldn't have had a good, old-fashioned 
menu with File/Open and Edit/Preferences instead of these two icons 
which I'm sure 50% of users don't realize *are* icons is totally beyond me.

btw - from Jacque's email and BZ 2299, it looks as though this isn't a 
ubiquituous problem. Some people see it - others can try hard to 
reproduce it without success. I see it on every stack on all 6 of my 
Windows machines (W2000 and WinXP) - but apparently not everyone does - 
so it may not be as bad for your users as you expect.

I upgraded from Dreamcard to Studio just because of this problem (it was 
kind of nice to have an excuse :-)

-- 
Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net



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From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Tue Jul 26 19:47:05 2005
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:47:05 -0500
Subject: The "missing" cookbook
In-Reply-To: <a13d4f6e2412d2b579f89994b7d4004b@runrev.com>
References: <a13d4f6e2412d2b579f89994b7d4004b@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <04C4DD43-7A0F-4D1C-B216-F783192DC4CA@earthlink.net>

HEEELLLP!  I don't find it there.  I am running Rev, going to  
Learning Center, then Sample Work but do not see anything resembling  
a sample cookbook script (or did you mean cookbook in a metaphorical  
sense?).  I so see a bunch of other interesting scripts that I never  
knew were there BTW.

M


On Jul 26, 2005, at 10:58 AM, Heather Nagey wrote:

> Just a postscript to my earlier mail, I forgot to mention. The  
> cookbook is alive and well and to be found under the name of  
> "Sample Scripts" in the Learning Center, in Revolution Online.
>
> Yes, yes, I know, like the highway plans on display in the bottom  
> drawer of the hidden filing cabinet in the locked basement of the  
> disused library...
>
> But they are in fact there.
>
> :)
>
> cheers
>
> Heather
>
> Heather Nagey, Customer Support Manager
> Runtime Revolution Ltd
> www.runrev.com
>
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From revdan at danshafer.com  Tue Jul 26 20:04:01 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:04:01 -0700
Subject: The "missing" cookbook
In-Reply-To: <04C4DD43-7A0F-4D1C-B216-F783192DC4CA@earthlink.net>
References: <a13d4f6e2412d2b579f89994b7d4004b@runrev.com>
	<04C4DD43-7A0F-4D1C-B216-F783192DC4CA@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <93FBC8F2-9324-470F-8608-78BED31EE7AE@danshafer.com>

Marian...

When you click on "Sample Work," you should see two icons, one Sample  
Scripts and one Sample Projects. Both have a number of goodies in them.

I'm not sure if one or both of these house old cookbook stuff.



On Jul 26, 2005, at 4:47 PM, Marian Petrides wrote:

> HEEELLLP!  I don't find it there.  I am running Rev, going to  
> Learning Center, then Sample Work but do not see anything  
> resembling a sample cookbook script (or did you mean cookbook in a  
> metaphorical sense?).  I so see a bunch of other interesting  
> scripts that I never knew were there BTW.
>
> M
>
>
> On Jul 26, 2005, at 10:58 AM, Heather Nagey wrote:
>
>
>> Just a postscript to my earlier mail, I forgot to mention. The  
>> cookbook is alive and well and to be found under the name of  
>> "Sample Scripts" in the Learning Center, in Revolution Online.
>>
>> Yes, yes, I know, like the highway plans on display in the bottom  
>> drawer of the hidden filing cabinet in the locked basement of the  
>> disused library...
>>
>> But they are in fact there.
>>
>> :)
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> Heather
>>
>> Heather Nagey, Customer Support Manager
>> Runtime Revolution Ltd
>> www.runrev.com
>>
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>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
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>>
>>
>
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From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Tue Jul 26 20:09:39 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:09:39 -0400
Subject: bugzilla bug?
Message-ID: <6A0A9ECF-15B4-4E8F-989C-2C443D604A8E@conncoll.edu>

Does anybody else have a problem searching the bugzilla using Safari?  
Whenever I try I get an error message saying that "The page you  
opened redirected you to a page that isn't supported by Safari." It  
adds, "Safari can't open the page <blah blah> because it cannot  
redirect to locations starting with 'http:'."

I'm afraid I might be adding redundant bug reports if I can't search.

Charles



From davis.phil at comcast.net  Tue Jul 26 20:16:24 2005
From: davis.phil at comcast.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:16:24 -0700
Subject: Disappearing Objects
In-Reply-To: <1a8.3bc39a38.30181dfa@aol.com>
References: <1a8.3bc39a38.30181dfa@aol.com>
Message-ID: <42E6D258.2010306@comcast.net>

Hi Joe -

Wild guess - could it be that your menubar is covering them? Try setting 
the layer of the menubar to 1 (or "bottom") and see if they reappear.

(However I haven't converted a HC stack in some time, so there may be 
conversion-specific issues I don't recall.)

Phil Davis



Hamburger1 at aol.com wrote:
> Hi Rev Fans,
> 
> OK, so I converted my first HC stack today. Everything was going along 
> surprisingly well. That was until I tried to add a menubar to the converted stack. 
> At that point all my fields and buttons vanished! I know they are still there 
> though because they are still listed in the inspector. What do I need to do to 
> see those fields and buttons again?
> 
> Joe
> Orlando, FL


From tjframe at gmail.com  Tue Jul 26 20:48:10 2005
From: tjframe at gmail.com (TJ Frame)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:48:10 -0700
Subject: Burning Transparancy level into an Image
Message-ID: <7348a9e805072617485430d79a@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Ken, actually I have already tried that code example and it
seems to be functionally equivalent to setting the blendlevel - either
way Rev still treats the image as having transparencey, and is
therefore slow.

The next best thing I have been able to do is to bring the source
image into an inv window, set its blend, then use your handy
exportscreen technique to grab the pixmapID of the inv window and set
the image imagepixmapID of the desired img to it.

Seems to work.. but still seems a bit kludgy

- TJ


PS: The tips on your site have been VERY helpful.. 


>Message: 7
>Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:54:33 -0500
>From: Ken Ray <kray at sonsothunder.com>
>Subject: Re: Burning Transparancy level into an Image
>To: Use Revolution List <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>Message-ID: <BF0C1B49.2653A%kray at sonsothunder.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="US-ASCII"
>
>On 7/26/05 4:28 PM, "TJ Frame" <tjframe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>  Anyone know how to "collapse" or "burn in" the alpha channel of an image
>> such that the image no longer has any transparency but looks like it did
>> when it still had the transparency?
>>  I'm making an app that manipulates graphics on top of an imported
>> background image and activating the blend of the background image reduces
>> speed greatly vs. having a non blended image underneath.
>>  Right now I'm kludging it by bringing the source image into an image
>> control, setting its blend level (either directly through the Alphadata or
>> the Blendlevel), then saving it as a jpeg and reimporting the image back
>> into Rev...
>>  I would be grateful if anyone has a more elegant solution by correctly
>> dipping into the Imagedata/Alphadata the first time
>
>TJ, take a look at the Image tips on my site, specifically:
>
>http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/revolution.htm?_imag005
>
>HTH,
>
>Ken Ray
>Sons of Thunder Software
>Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
>Email: kray at sonsothunder.com


From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Tue Jul 26 20:49:37 2005
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:49:37 -0700
Subject: bugzilla bug?
In-Reply-To: <6A0A9ECF-15B4-4E8F-989C-2C443D604A8E@conncoll.edu>
References: <6A0A9ECF-15B4-4E8F-989C-2C443D604A8E@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <p06200700bf0c8a75307f@[10.0.1.2]>

>Does anybody else have a problem searching the bugzilla using 
>Safari? Whenever I try I get an error message saying that "The page 
>you opened redirected you to a page that isn't supported by Safari." 
>It adds, "Safari can't open the page <blah blah> because it cannot 
>redirect to locations starting with 'http:'."
>
>I'm afraid I might be adding redundant bug reports if I can't search.
>
>Charles
>


It didn't work for me with Safari, either. I told rev about it a few 
days ago. They said they'd look into it.

Cheers,

Ti


From Hamburger1 at aol.com  Tue Jul 26 21:05:06 2005
From: Hamburger1 at aol.com (Hamburger1 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:05:06 EDT
Subject: Newbie Question
Message-ID: <1d9.411fb86f.301837c2@aol.com>

Hi Everyone,

I'm progressing in millimeters. OK so I finally got the menu into my newly 
converted HC stack. Previously when I did that all the objects disappeared. Now 
I have the new menubar and visible objects. My problem has become that I can't 
edit this new menu. I can select it in the menu builder but everything in the 
menubuilder is grayed out! WHAT NOW???

Joe
Orlando Florida


From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Jul 26 21:10:07 2005
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:10:07 -0600
Subject: Fonts & Unicode
In-Reply-To: <dc67kl$f05$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <dc2u6o$9kg$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<edde75962678150648e209a463d26bfc@swcp.com>
	<dc67kl$f05$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <8df4cbc5bbb8c6baa4144a272debc0a1@swcp.com>


On Jul 26, 2005, at 2:49 PM, Brad Borch wrote:

> Also, if you try to change the font of unicode text using the menu, 
> the text gets converted back to single-byte characters.

It would be nice if language was a separate property and not part of 
the font property.  Then each can be changed independently.  Or the IDE 
acted that way.

(Actually, I'd personally rather do away with language and go strictly 
Unicode for everything.  I probably don't understand all the 
consequences of asking for that.  Unicode tries to handle round-trip 
conversion from and to other standards, so I think we would be happy 
with pasting strange encodings and with selecting any fonts--it would 
be usually transparent.  For I/O we would want to convert, though.)

Dar

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From SimPLsol at aol.com  Tue Jul 26 21:16:24 2005
From: SimPLsol at aol.com (SimPLsol at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:16:24 EDT
Subject: Disappearing Objects
Message-ID: <110.4e61d1c9.30183a68@aol.com>

Hi Joe,
     Had similar problems at this end of the country when I started 
converting HC stacks two years ago.
     In Rev the menus are obviously designed to be added to new, single card 
stacks. If your stacks already have multiple cards, there will be problems:
     1. If you add a menu to a single card, it will not appear on other 
existing cards. It will only appear on new cards.
     2. If you do the logical thing and put the new menu into the existing 
background (imported from HC), the menu will appear on all cards (of that 
background). BUT the stack will resize on opening, sometimes shorter, sometimes 
taller.
     3. If you do the next logical thing and try to set the size of the stack 
in a preOpen handler, it will not work. BUT you can reset the size in an 
openStack handler.

     Based on my experience the best thing to do is:
     1. create a single card Rev stack (delete all but the first card from a 
copy of your stack)
     2. build your menus
     3. import the data, creating new cards as needed
Sounds like the long way to do things, but will actually save you much time.

     By the way, check out the RevNavigator in the plugins folder in the 
Development menu. This wonderful tool from Geoff Canyon will let you see and 
adjust layers of objects on a card, background, or stack. Coming from HC you are 
accustomed to a single fixed background, Rev can have multiple groups with or 
without "background behavior" - the navigator is about the only way to know 
where you are. I would have been lost without it.

Paul Looney
San Dimas, CA


From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Tue Jul 26 21:32:32 2005
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:32:32 -0700
Subject: revDocWiki
In-Reply-To: <42E6B7EE.7090509@fourthworld.com>
References: <p06200700bf0b270ae35a@[10.0.1.2]>
	<AA5E8E28-E69B-4567-85B8-ACDDAE191DDE@danshafer.com>
	<42E6A8C1.3070800@chipp.com> <42E6B7EE.7090509@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <p06200701bf0c9386505f@[10.0.1.2]>

Well, there seems to be a reasonable amount of enthusiasm for this 
hypothetical project. I understand that someone from Rev peruses the 
list. I don't know if anyone on the list frequently talks with Rev 
management. Rev might be wondering if this idea will remain vaporware 
forever.

I'm not sure if it can be done without Rev's support. For example, 
are the onboard docs copyrighted? In any case, Rev's support and 
assistance, even if no money changes hands, could make the difference 
between success and failure.

Maybe someone should submit the concept to bugzilla as an enhancement 
request, and post the BZ item number on the list. The number of votes 
it gets could be persuasive.


Tim

>Chipp Walters wrote:
>
>>  Dan Shafer wrote:
>>>  The docs are already in XML. Jerry Daniels has written a parser for
>>>  them that gets used in his Transcript Gadget.
>>
>>  I should mention the parser Jerry modified (and I did too, and even
>>  perhaps Mr. Sanke as well) originated from Richard Gaskin's generous
>>  contribution for his help stack for MC. Thanks Richard!
>
>My pleasure.  And thanks for the thoughtful mention.
>
>I'm a big fan of both XML and the Rev object model, and I'm rather 
>addicted to the Dictionary. My revised Dictionary shell attempts to 
>deliver the best of both worlds:
>
>XML is a great format for authoring, as it allows the individual 
>topics to be moved from team member to team member for authoring and 
>review. But as we've seen, indexing and parsing them on the fly is, 
>well, suboptimal. :)
>
>It's hard to beat Rev's native object model for efficiently 
>traversing a body of work like this.  Even with nearly 1500 entries 
>the mcDictionary loads about as quickly as the XML-based one that 
>ships with Rev, but is significantly faster for moving 
>document-to-document, since you're only going card-to-card rather 
>than loading files from disk and parsing XML CDATA on the fly.
>
>Jerry's done a wonderful job extending the mcDictionary stack, 
>adding a lot of geat new functionality and a nifty Rossi-esque look.
>
>Since it only takes less than a minute to import the data into the 
>stack, I hope one day we can see that incorporated into Rev's 
>automated build process and have it shipped with the product. 
>Jerry's is certainly worthy.
>
>--
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal
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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Tue Jul 26 22:14:04 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:14:04 -0400
Subject: "Dumb question" time
In-Reply-To: <42E65A14.61B015C7@Club-Internet.fr>
References: <42E65A14.61B015C7@Club-Internet.fr>
Message-ID: <cb87e053ca25269cacc87c7dad91ef2b@adelphia.net>

JB,

I had this happening with a button but could not track it down. However 
I don't think it is a bug. It seemed to only happen in scripts where I 
had a timing issue to begin with. Do you?

I am still learning the appropriate use of "wait" and "wait with 
messages".

Do any of your scripts use these or 'should' any of them be using this?

Tom


On Jul 26, 2005, at 11:43 AM, jbv wrote:

>  is it possible that the user
> clicks so fast on a few successive btns that each script
> doesn't have the time to run till the end ?
>


Macintosh PowerBook G-4 OSX 10.3.9, OS 9.2.2, 1.25 GHz, 512MB RAM, Rev 
2.6


Advanced Media Group
Eagle Works Art & Sculpture
Semantic Compaction Systems
Prentke Romich Company
Prentke Romich International
SCIconics, LLC
Artist
Thomas J McGrath III
3mcgrath at adelphia.net





From b.xavier at internet.lu  Tue Jul 26 22:35:53 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 04:35:53 +0200
Subject: Mac -> Win problems
In-Reply-To: <BF0C19AD.26536%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <20050727022506.B055E824DB0@mail.runrev.com>

Ken

> On 7/26/05 2:37 PM, "MisterX" <b.xavier at internet.lu> wrote:
> 
> > Charles,
> > 
> > Same wrong thing with file handling... but it does allow 
> you to have 
> > the low-level edge...
> 
> What do you mean, Xavier? What is backwards with file handling?

with file type handling it's quite a pain...

> > once you're made your standard ask and answer dialogs 
> conform, you'll 
> > be sailing smoother...
> 
> Actually, Rev is designed to handle the differences when all 
> you're providing is OK and Cancel (in *that* case, reversing 
> the buttons is correct for the HIGs on both platforms); it's 
> just that if you use any other buttons it doesn't work right 
> (i.e. it reverses them when it shouldn't).

now that's what i was missing... ;)

cheers
Xavier



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Jul 26 23:45:12 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:45:12 -0500
Subject: bugzilla bug?
In-Reply-To: <6A0A9ECF-15B4-4E8F-989C-2C443D604A8E@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <BF0C6D78.265B7%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 7/26/05 7:09 PM, "Charles Hartman" <charles.hartman at conncoll.edu> wrote:

> Does anybody else have a problem searching the bugzilla using Safari?
> Whenever I try I get an error message saying that "The page you
> opened redirected you to a page that isn't supported by Safari." It
> adds, "Safari can't open the page <blah blah> because it cannot
> redirect to locations starting with 'http:'."

Personally I don't use a browser to search Bugzilla - I use RevZilla instead
(it's so much easier):

http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/RevZilla2.htm

:-)


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com




From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Jul 26 23:47:25 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:47:25 -0500
Subject: Mac -> Win problems
In-Reply-To: <20050727022506.B055E824DB0@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BF0C6DFD.265BA%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 7/26/05 9:35 PM, "MisterX" <b.xavier at internet.lu> wrote:

> Ken
> 
>> On 7/26/05 2:37 PM, "MisterX" <b.xavier at internet.lu> wrote:
>> 
>>> Charles,
>>> 
>>> Same wrong thing with file handling... but it does allow
>> you to have 
>>> the low-level edge...
>> 
>> What do you mean, Xavier? What is backwards with file handling?
> 
> with file type handling it's quite a pain...

I think that was fixed with the unified "answer file" command in 2.6...
(but I may be wrong).


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com




From b.xavier at internet.lu  Wed Jul 27 01:05:23 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:05:23 +0200
Subject: ANN: Updates on MonsieurX
Message-ID: <20050727045435.A16BD824D7F@mail.runrev.com>

Yet a few more updates on MonsieurX.com
 
- BreakPointNavigator
 
- XOSMediaLib.rev is now 89% fully operational
 
- WINNO2 plugin - completely revised, relooked, etc...
 
- GIM.rev - Fixes and new features
 
- GUI Themes - new theme, some new things...
 
- FileBrowser - lots of new stuff (still beta) - not fully finished, not mac
tested...
 
- TAOODebug
 
Note: Most of the plugins were renamed from N2O to NO2
The proper molecule in nitro-methane... not nitrous oxide...
 
RunRev downloads:
<http://monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Downloads
<http://monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=11>
&d_op=viewdownload&cid=11>
 
XOS downloads:
<http://monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Downloads
<http://monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=19>
&d_op=viewdownload&cid=19>
 
Comments welcome as usual!
 
Since no testers showed up on the last request, please dont rant that there
is any bugs... Just point them out nicely... Since there's also virtually no
paypal donations, there wont be any support at all except for those who have
helped in the past. Some stacks may not be perfect, i already know, they are
preview-teasers...
 
Any OSX or linux screenshots where things go wrong are welcome... Please
dont mention any misplaced buttons. If a button or menu doesn't work at all
- it must be normal... ;)
  
For those in the TAOO team, XOS Masters and Managers were revised a lot...
You know the url...
 
Regards
Xavier
http://monsieurx.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jul 27 01:40:41 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:40:41 -0500
Subject: Newbie Question
In-Reply-To: <1d9.411fb86f.301837c2@aol.com>
References: <1d9.411fb86f.301837c2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <42E71E59.1040102@hyperactivesw.com>

Hamburger1 at aol.com wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I'm progressing in millimeters. OK so I finally got the menu into my newly 
> converted HC stack. Previously when I did that all the objects disappeared. Now 
> I have the new menubar and visible objects. My problem has become that I can't 
> edit this new menu. I can select it in the menu builder but everything in the 
> menubuilder is grayed out! WHAT NOW???

Did you figure out what was wrong with them originally? Were they just 
not placed on the card? Or was the menu group so tall that it covered 
other things?

Anyway, to edit an existing menu, click on "Edit" button in the Menu 
Builder and then choose the menu you want to edit. Does it enable then?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From michaell at unimelb.edu.au  Wed Jul 27 01:42:42 2005
From: michaell at unimelb.edu.au (Michael J. Lew)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:42:42 +1000
Subject: partial workaround for cross-platform fonts
Message-ID: <p05200f15bf0cccfe6967@[128.250.229.137]>

I think that Phil might be onto a good workaround for cross-platform 
fonts. He suggested an image of a fld instead of the fld, and that 
should be perfectly OK for any locked fld. It makes the stack bigger, 
but mostly that doesn't matter.

I've made a button that puts a snapshot over each locked, visible fld 
and keeps a record in order to be able to remove the images as 
needed. It seems to work well on one platform (Mac) but I can't 
conveniently check that the result works on any other. I think it 
should. The script is below. Just put a button onto the first card of 
a stack and put the script into it. A click should overlay the 
appropriate flds with images, and an option-click should remove the 
images.

Two questions:
1. Does it work for others?
2. Can we optimise the script to make it into a generally useful workaround?

At 10:38 PM -0500 26/7/05, Phil Davis wrote:
>  > There's a font with identical metrics on multiple platforms?
>
>Yep - it's called a snapshot of the screen (or at least of the field).
>:o)  That's what I was referring to as having the same metrics on all
>platforms. I guess I didn't finish connecting the dots in the
>explanation of my proposed solution.
>
>
>Phil


on mouseUp
   if the optionkey is not down then --make images
     repeat with i=1 to the number of cards
       go to card i
       put empty
       repeat with f=1 to the number of flds
         set the cursor to busy
         if the locktext of fld f and the visible of fld f then
           put "Making image of fld " & the short name of fld f & 
return after msg
           put the rect of fld f into trect
           --adjust the rect to make it relative to the stack.\
(I don't know why this is needed, but it is).
           add the left of this stack to item 1 of trect
           add the left of this stack to item 3 of trect
           add the top of this stack to item 2 of trect
           add the top of this stack to item 4 of trect
           --make the image and place it over the fld
           import snapshot from rectangle trect
           set the loc of last image to the loc of fld f
           set the layer of last image to (the layer of fld f)+1
           --keep a record
           set the cFldImagesList of me to \
the cFldImagesList of me & the id of last image & return
         end if
       end repeat
     end repeat
   else
     --delete the images to get back to the flds
     put the cFldImagesList of me into myList
     repeat for each line tid in myList
       set the cursor to busy
       if there is an image id tid then --it might have been manually deleted
         put "Deleting image id " & tid
         delete image id tid
       end if
     end repeat
     put "Done"
     set the cFldImagesList of me to empty
   end if
end mouseUp

Regards,
Michael

-- 
Michael J. Lew

Senior Lecturer
Department of Pharmacology
The University of Melbourne
Parkville 3010
Victoria
Australia

Phone +613 8344 8304

**
New email address: michaell at unimelb.edu.au
**


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jul 27 01:50:27 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:50:27 -0500
Subject: Mac -> Win problems
In-Reply-To: <EC86D7F2-A4E9-48BE-BFF6-BBE1BCCFA62B@conncoll.edu>
References: <0DFFD537-CDDC-42A9-8341-9034125780C7@conncoll.edu>
	<42E6BC84.3030405@hyperactivesw.com>
	<EC86D7F2-A4E9-48BE-BFF6-BBE1BCCFA62B@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <42E720A3.5000805@hyperactivesw.com>

Charles Hartman wrote:

 > I'm already doing a preOpenStack in the main stack to set the two  fonts
 > (one proportional, one monospace) according to what's available  on the
 > runtime system. If I knew the right sizes it sounds as though  I could
 > make the text fit the fields, backwards as that sounds.

If you do a search on the mailing list for "cross platform fonts" you'll 
get tons of hits. Here's Dar's info:

http://www.mail-archive.com/use-revolution at lists.runrev.com/msg26708.html



-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From dweeble at wi.rr.com  Wed Jul 27 05:50:27 2005
From: dweeble at wi.rr.com (Michael)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 04:50:27 -0500
Subject: Shell "start" with value
In-Reply-To: <20050726043703.ECD43824F4A@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050726043703.ECD43824F4A@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1122457827.5409.18.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Thanks for the reply,
Hey gave this a try, and tried some variations of it and still what I
get is, windows cannot find IPLoc , thinks its and executable.
I removed the location string and put the executable (setx.exe) in a
path folder. Should have just said the commmand I'm trying to run from
the command line is:
"setx IPLoc tIPadd -m"
IPLoc is just a descriptive word to represent the IP location and tIPadd
is the string with the captured ip address in it. 
The environment result from runnng set at the cmd window would look: 
IPLoc=192.168.1.1
 
Thanks 
Michael 
On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 06:47 +0200, MisterX wrote:
> for one, if there is a space in location, this will fail.
> You will need to eclose it in quotes.
> 
> Second the iploc and tipadd are strings not values in the
> quotes.
> 
>  get shell ("start" && quote & location & "setx.exe" & quote && IPLoc &&
> tIPadd)
> 
> should work better
> 
> cheers
> Xavier
> http://monsieurx.com
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> > [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Michael
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 06:39
> > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Subject: Shell "start" with value
> > 
> > Hello, 
> > 
> > Have run into something I just seem to not solve and asking 
> > if someone may have an answer to this one.
> > I'm running the shell command for and environment add and 
> > need to add the value with it, but of couse just get IPLOC=tIPadd.
> > tIPadd is the value of and ipaddress. 
> > Anyone know how I can get this in there, its WinXP so I'm 
> > using the setx.exe file to get the environment add global.
> >  
> > get shell ("start" && location & "setx.exe IPLoc tIPadd")
> > 
> > Thanks for any help
> > Michael
> > 
> > 
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> 
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From dweeble at wi.rr.com  Wed Jul 27 06:22:14 2005
From: dweeble at wi.rr.com (Michael)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 05:22:14 -0500
Subject: Shell "start" with value
In-Reply-To: <20050726043703.ECD43824F4A@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050726043703.ECD43824F4A@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1122459734.5547.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Ok should have given it 10 more minutes,
Now I'm seeing it !
got the line to work thanks for the direction,
got it this way,

put "setx" && "iploc" && quote & tiPadd & quote && "-m" into sSetenv
get shell (sSetenv)
set the hideConsoleWindows to true

Thanks !!
MisterX

On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 06:47 +0200, MisterX wrote:
> for one, if there is a space in location, this will fail.
> You will need to eclose it in quotes.
> 
> Second the iploc and tipadd are strings not values in the
> quotes.
> 
>  get shell ("start" && quote & location & "setx.exe" & quote && IPLoc &&
> tIPadd)
> 
> should work better
> 
> cheers
> Xavier
> http://monsieurx.com
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> > [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Michael
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 06:39
> > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Subject: Shell "start" with value
> > 
> > Hello, 
> > 
> > Have run into something I just seem to not solve and asking 
> > if someone may have an answer to this one.
> > I'm running the shell command for and environment add and 
> > need to add the value with it, but of couse just get IPLOC=tIPadd.
> > tIPadd is the value of and ipaddress. 
> > Anyone know how I can get this in there, its WinXP so I'm 
> > using the setx.exe file to get the environment add global.
> >  
> > get shell ("start" && location & "setx.exe IPLoc tIPadd")
> > 
> > Thanks for any help
> > Michael
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage 
> > your subscription preferences:
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> > 
> 
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From xbury.cs at clearstream.com  Wed Jul 27 07:12:32 2005
From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:12:32 +0200
Subject: Shell "start" with value
In-Reply-To: <1122459734.5547.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <OF871FB497.3D224FD5-ONC125704B.003D4988-C125704B.003D78DC@deutsche-boerse.com>

For most shell batches, if found it extremely useful to
1 test it in a real batch... this proves the shell command HAS to work
2 put the whole shell command into a variable - this makes it easier to 
debug...
3 Always enclose the paths (or verify that it needs) with quotes.

The verification is real easy: 

if there is a space in mypath or "&" is in mypath then quoteit(mypath)

Last but not least, and this is a real tough one to find:
make sure that the directory is a valid path before launching your shell. 

hope that gets you going!
cheers

---------------------=---------------------
Xavier Bury


use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 27/07/2005 12:22:14:

> Ok should have given it 10 more minutes,
> Now I'm seeing it !
> got the line to work thanks for the direction,
> got it this way,
> 
> put "setx" && "iploc" && quote & tiPadd & quote && "-m" into sSetenv
> get shell (sSetenv)
> set the hideConsoleWindows to true
> 
> Thanks !!
> MisterX
> 
> On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 06:47 +0200, MisterX wrote:
> > for one, if there is a space in location, this will fail.
> > You will need to eclose it in quotes.
> > 
> > Second the iploc and tipadd are strings not values in the
> > quotes.
> > 
> >  get shell ("start" && quote & location & "setx.exe" & quote && IPLoc 
&&
> > tIPadd)
> > 
> > should work better
> > 
> > cheers
> > Xavier
> > http://monsieurx.com
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> > > [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
Michael
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 06:39
> > > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > > Subject: Shell "start" with value
> > > 
> > > Hello, 
> > > 
> > > Have run into something I just seem to not solve and asking 
> > > if someone may have an answer to this one.
> > > I'm running the shell command for and environment add and 
> > > need to add the value with it, but of couse just get IPLOC=tIPadd.
> > > tIPadd is the value of and ipaddress. 
> > > Anyone know how I can get this in there, its WinXP so I'm 
> > > using the setx.exe file to get the environment add global.
> > > 
> > > get shell ("start" && location & "setx.exe IPLoc tIPadd")
> > > 
> > > Thanks for any help
> > > Michael
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > use-revolution mailing list
> > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage 
> > > your subscription preferences:
> > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> > > 
> > 
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From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Wed Jul 27 07:50:17 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:50:17 -0400
Subject: Mac -> Win problems
In-Reply-To: <42E720A3.5000805@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <0DFFD537-CDDC-42A9-8341-9034125780C7@conncoll.edu>
	<42E6BC84.3030405@hyperactivesw.com>
	<EC86D7F2-A4E9-48BE-BFF6-BBE1BCCFA62B@conncoll.edu>
	<42E720A3.5000805@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <2A7B6BE3-A99C-4A70-85C1-19B46EBE3D51@conncoll.edu>


On Jul 27, 2005, at 1:50 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> If you do a search on the mailing list for "cross platform fonts"  
> you'll get tons of hits. Here's Dar's info:
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/use-revolution at lists.runrev.com/ 
> msg26708.html

Thanks very much. Since Dar's table shows that even Courier and  
Courier New (the two choices for a monospaced font that have to be  
available cover all relevant systems) have different metrics (!), it  
becomes clear that for my situation Phil Davis's screenshot approach  
is the best solution. I'm working on it now.

Excellent.

Charles



From Hamburger1 at aol.com  Wed Jul 27 07:53:53 2005
From: Hamburger1 at aol.com (Hamburger1 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:53:53 EDT
Subject: Newbie ? Answered
Message-ID: <66.5bafada5.3018cfd1@aol.com>

Hi Everyone

If you've been following my problems I'll give you an update. I converted my 
first HC stack yesterday. The first thing that went wrong was that when I 
tried to add a menubar all my objects disappeared.

It turned out that I forgot to check off the "Set as menubar for Mac OS" box 
in the menu builder. When I did that I could start a new menubar and edit it 
to my heart's content.

That was fine until I tried to edit the new menubar. In the menubuilder 
everything was grayed out. This problem was solved too when I went to the inspector 
and brought up the menubar. When I unchecked "Behave like a background" I 
solved that problem.

For the moment at least I'm doing fine for now. Chances are you'll hear from 
me later today as my conversion education continues. Even with these problems 
I know I have to and enthusiastically want to finally wean myself from 
HyperCard. I expect that will happen by the end of the year.

Thanks for everyone's help.

Joe
Orlando, FL


From dgoldman at mailblocks.com  Tue Jul 26 15:07:37 2005
From: dgoldman at mailblocks.com (David Goldman)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:07:37 -0700
Subject: Saving a Standalone
References: <7EC8AB37-3D34-46DF-BD6C-C09D6E656105@mailblocks.com>
Message-ID: <dgoldman-0gSLCA1sq77QKF8Ju3/V27Mu5cQKoMj@mailblocks.com>

I'm attempting to add a bit of "smarts" to the Save As Standalone  
function. When I save a standalone to the same location on my hard  
drive, If Revs finds a previous folder with the same base name, it  
dutifully increments the number. I.e. if I have a few previous  
versions I get a set of folders like this (assuming the base name is  
"revstack 1.0a"):

/Users/myname/Desktop/revstack 1.0a/
/Users/myname/Desktop/revstack 1.0a1/
/Users/myname/Desktop/revstack 1.0a2/
/Users/myname/Desktop/revstack 1.0a3/

etc.

Now inside each of these folders is the actual application saved  
under the base name - something like this:

/Users/myname/Desktop/revstack 1.0a/revstack 1.0a.exe
/Users/myname/Desktop/revstack 1.0a1/revstack 1.0a.exe
/Users/myname/Desktop/revstack 1.0a2/revstack 1.0a.exe
/Users/myname/Desktop/revstack 1.0a3/revstack 1.0a.exe

What I want to do is include a version number (which is stored in a  
field in the stack) as part of the application name. so I could get  
something like this:

/Users/myname/Desktop/revstack 1.0a/revstack 1.0a12.exe
/Users/myname/Desktop/revstack 1.0a1/revstack 1.0a13.exe
/Users/myname/Desktop/revstack 1.0a2/revstack 1.0a14.exe
/Users/myname/Desktop/revstack 1.0a3/revstack 1.0b1.exe

(I'm not too worried about the enclosing folder at this point - but  
that might be nice too...)

My basic approach was to use a shell command to rename the file with  
my version info. I was going to use the Standalonesaved msg to  
automate the whole thing, but ran into a problem in that the  
standalonesaved msg doesn't return the increment number that  
revolution adds to the enclosing folder (Desktop in this case) - i.e.  
I don't know how many previous versions might already exist in the  
directory I'm saving to. This makes deriving a path much more complex.

I suppose I could use  a shell script to delete any folders that  
might already exist with the base name and then things might work...

Any comments/suggestions/help would be appreciated. (Oh yes, I'm on a  
Mac OS X and saving Windows Standalones...)

Thanks, David



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed Jul 27 11:01:41 2005
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:01:41 -0600
Subject: bugzilla bug?
In-Reply-To: <6A0A9ECF-15B4-4E8F-989C-2C443D604A8E@conncoll.edu>
References: <6A0A9ECF-15B4-4E8F-989C-2C443D604A8E@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <0D6EF9A7-2EE1-4EF3-8241-36FF44899263@byu.edu>

You can't search Bugzilla in Safari. Use Firefox instead.

Devin

On Jul 26, 2005, at 6:09 PM, Charles Hartman wrote:

> Does anybody else have a problem searching the bugzilla using  
> Safari? Whenever I try I get an error message saying that "The page  
> you opened redirected you to a page that isn't supported by  
> Safari." It adds, "Safari can't open the page <blah blah> because  
> it cannot redirect to locations starting with 'http:'."
>
> I'm afraid I might be adding redundant bug reports if I can't search.
>
> Charles
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
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>

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed Jul 27 11:02:39 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:02:39 +0200
Subject: Saving a Standalone
In-Reply-To: <dgoldman-0gSLCA1sq77QKF8Ju3/V27Mu5cQKoMj@mailblocks.com>
References: <7EC8AB37-3D34-46DF-BD6C-C09D6E656105@mailblocks.com>
	<dgoldman-0gSLCA1sq77QKF8Ju3/V27Mu5cQKoMj@mailblocks.com>
Message-ID: <C1E47F63-F1E9-4246-8BEE-5A608A9ADF51@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi David,

If I understand correctly :-)
You can use the files function in order to parse the file names, sort  
the list and and get easily the current higher increment.
May be an All files function (that returns all file names in all sub  
folders) can help you.
If so, tell me off list.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

Le 26 juil. 05 ? 21:07, David Goldman a ?crit :

> I'm attempting to add a bit of "smarts" to the Save As Standalone  
> function. When I save a standalone to the same location on my hard  
> drive, If Revs finds a previous folder with the same base name, it  
> dutifully increments the number. I.e. if I have a few previous  
> versions I get a set of folders like this (assuming the base name  
> is "revstack 1.0a"):
>
> /Users/myname/Desktop/revstack 1.0a/
> /Users/myname/Desktop/revstack 1.0a1/
> /Users/myname/Desktop/revstack 1.0a2/
> /Users/myname/Desktop/revstack 1.0a3/
>
> etc.
>
> Now inside each of these folders is the actual application saved  
> under the base name - something like this:
>
> /Users/myname/Desktop/revstack 1.0a/revstack 1.0a.exe
> /Users/myname/Desktop/revstack 1.0a1/revstack 1.0a.exe
> /Users/myname/Desktop/revstack 1.0a2/revstack 1.0a.exe
> /Users/myname/Desktop/revstack 1.0a3/revstack 1.0a.exe
>
> What I want to do is include a version number (which is stored in a  
> field in the stack) as part of the application name. so I could get  
> something like this:
>
> /Users/myname/Desktop/revstack 1.0a/revstack 1.0a12.exe
> /Users/myname/Desktop/revstack 1.0a1/revstack 1.0a13.exe
> /Users/myname/Desktop/revstack 1.0a2/revstack 1.0a14.exe
> /Users/myname/Desktop/revstack 1.0a3/revstack 1.0b1.exe
>
> (I'm not too worried about the enclosing folder at this point - but  
> that might be nice too...)
>
> My basic approach was to use a shell command to rename the file  
> with my version info. I was going to use the Standalonesaved msg to  
> automate the whole thing, but ran into a problem in that the  
> standalonesaved msg doesn't return the increment number that  
> revolution adds to the enclosing folder (Desktop in this case) -  
> i.e. I don't know how many previous versions might already exist in  
> the directory I'm saving to. This makes deriving a path much more  
> complex.
>
> I suppose I could use  a shell script to delete any folders that  
> might already exist with the base name and then things might work...
>
> Any comments/suggestions/help would be appreciated. (Oh yes, I'm on  
> a Mac OS X and saving Windows Standalones...)
>
> Thanks, David

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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed Jul 27 11:25:42 2005
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:25:42 -0600
Subject: Mac -> Win problems
In-Reply-To: <2A7B6BE3-A99C-4A70-85C1-19B46EBE3D51@conncoll.edu>
References: <0DFFD537-CDDC-42A9-8341-9034125780C7@conncoll.edu>
	<42E6BC84.3030405@hyperactivesw.com>
	<EC86D7F2-A4E9-48BE-BFF6-BBE1BCCFA62B@conncoll.edu>
	<42E720A3.5000805@hyperactivesw.com>
	<2A7B6BE3-A99C-4A70-85C1-19B46EBE3D51@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <7CBDD816-91B7-4BF3-9AF2-77D6F4B4FE79@byu.edu>

Charles,

I'm jumping in late in the game, and basing my memory of what you're  
trying to do on my quick read through of your original message  
yesterday. If I understand it correctly, you are trying to accurately  
position some kind of diacritical markings above specific letters in  
a text field? Let me suggest an alternative that might avoid the  
cross-platform font metric issues. I did a project similar to this a  
couple of years ago, in which I needed to position Pinyin tone marks  
above vowels in romanized Chinese syllables. The tone marks were  
images. I used the formattedWidth property of the chunk of text up to  
and including the letter to be marked, then calculated the horizontal  
distance from the edge of the card to the letter in question and  
positioned the image there. For example:

|                 _________________
|<- left of card  |chunk in fld    |
|                 |<- left of fld  |
|                 |                |
|                 |                |
|                 _________________|

If I wanted to position the mark over the "u" in "chunk" I would use
     the left of fld "myfld" + the formattedWidth of char 1 to 3 of  
fld "myfld"
as the baseline x value, then by trial and error find the proper x  
and y adjustments to get my image to display at the desired spot.

This method should work regardless of font and size because the  
formattedWidth takes the current font settings of the chunk into  
account.

HTH

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Wed Jul 27 11:38:06 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:38:06 -0400
Subject: Mac -> Win problems
In-Reply-To: <7CBDD816-91B7-4BF3-9AF2-77D6F4B4FE79@byu.edu>
References: <0DFFD537-CDDC-42A9-8341-9034125780C7@conncoll.edu>
	<42E6BC84.3030405@hyperactivesw.com>
	<EC86D7F2-A4E9-48BE-BFF6-BBE1BCCFA62B@conncoll.edu>
	<42E720A3.5000805@hyperactivesw.com>
	<2A7B6BE3-A99C-4A70-85C1-19B46EBE3D51@conncoll.edu>
	<7CBDD816-91B7-4BF3-9AF2-77D6F4B4FE79@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <63B7F3BD-23A6-44BC-9FB5-E9647C6AF67D@conncoll.edu>

Thanks very much. That isn't what I'm trying to do -- not any more.  
Originally I did want to do that, so as to line up metrical scansion  
marks -- rather like diacritics, you're right -- over text. But I  
didn't know about the formattedWidth property (which turns out to be  
nifty now that I know to look it up), & so couldn't see how to get  
the metric of the text itself. I resorted to doing all my scansions  
in Courier, where I could control the relation between lines. Of  
course it's uglier than a proportional font would be. If I were a  
Good Person I'd go back and use the method you suggest -- but it  
would involve, at a guess, several hundred example lines, and I don't  
have the heart.

My recent problem has been simply to line up blank, opaque fields  
covering the scansion marks, and reveal them at (the user's) will.  
I'm now solving that with Phil Davis's screenshot approach, which  
works fine for my purposes.

Thanks again -- learn something every day.

Charles


On Jul 27, 2005, at 11:25 AM, Devin Asay wrote:

> Charles,
>
> I'm jumping in late in the game, and basing my memory of what  
> you're trying to do on my quick read through of your original  
> message yesterday. If I understand it correctly, you are trying to  
> accurately position some kind of diacritical markings above  
> specific letters in a text field? Let me suggest an alternative  
> that might avoid the cross-platform font metric issues. I did a  
> project similar to this a couple of years ago, in which I needed to  
> position Pinyin tone marks above vowels in romanized Chinese  
> syllables. The tone marks were images. I used the formattedWidth  
> property of the chunk of text up to and including the letter to be  
> marked, then calculated the horizontal distance from the edge of  
> the card to the letter in question and positioned the image there.  
> For example:
>
> |                 _________________
> |<- left of card  |chunk in fld    |
> |                 |<- left of fld  |
> |                 |                |
> |                 |                |
> |                 _________________|
>
> If I wanted to position the mark over the "u" in "chunk" I would use
>     the left of fld "myfld" + the formattedWidth of char 1 to 3 of  
> fld "myfld"
> as the baseline x value, then by trial and error find the proper x  
> and y adjustments to get my image to display at the desired spot.
>
> This method should work regardless of font and size because the  
> formattedWidth takes the current font settings of the chunk into  
> account.
>
> HTH
>
> Devin
>
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University
>
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From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Jul 27 12:04:01 2005
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:04:01 -0600
Subject: Fonts & Unicode
In-Reply-To: <dc67kl$f05$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <dc2u6o$9kg$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<edde75962678150648e209a463d26bfc@swcp.com>
	<dc67kl$f05$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <5da4fbe9fd9998b9ad93f0574a696a15@swcp.com>


On Jul 26, 2005, at 2:49 PM, Brad Borch wrote:

> 4. If the text pasted in is styled text from a Unicode font, the 
> htmlText reflects this:
>
> <font face="TITUS Cyberbit Basic" 
> lang="el">&#945;&#946;&#948;&#966;&#949;</font>
>
> Note the "lang='el'" parameter. The "el" stands for "Ellinas," which 
> is the Greek word for... Greek. Presumably Rev looks at the range the 
> character is in, determines what language it is, and sets this 
> parameter accordingly.

I get confused about what Rev thinks "language" means.  In the unicode 
conversion names it seems to mean encoding scheme.  Since this is 
pseudo-html, this may mean something else, but might mean encoding 
scheme.  The codes are too high for any 8-bit encoding.

One of the things I kept forgetting to do was set the "language" in the 
font property.

Dar



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Jul 27 13:31:36 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:31:36 -0700
Subject: ANN: Updates on MonsieurX
In-Reply-To: <20050727045435.A16BD824D7F@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050727045435.A16BD824D7F@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1821450205.20050727103136@ahsoftware.net>

MisterX-

Tuesday, July 26, 2005, 10:05:23 PM, you wrote:

M> Note: Most of the plugins were renamed from N2O to NO2
M> The proper molecule in nitro-methane... not nitrous oxide...
 
ROTFL. That *does* put things in a whole different light...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From b.xavier at internet.lu  Wed Jul 27 13:37:00 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:37:00 +0200
Subject: ANN: Updates on MonsieurX
In-Reply-To: <1821450205.20050727103136@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <20050727172619.3805A824D4D@mail.runrev.com>

i know! ;)

Everyone tought i had dentist anesthaetic laughin gas 
when i really had an explosive mix of productivity 
boosting tools ;)

cheeriup! 
Xav

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mark Wieder
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 19:32
> To: 'How to use Revolution'
> Subject: Re: ANN: Updates on MonsieurX
> 
> MisterX-
> 
> Tuesday, July 26, 2005, 10:05:23 PM, you wrote:
> 
> M> Note: Most of the plugins were renamed from N2O to NO2 The proper 
> M> molecule in nitro-methane... not nitrous oxide...
>  
> ROTFL. That *does* put things in a whole different light...
> 
> --
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> 
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From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Wed Jul 27 14:13:34 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:13:34 -0400
Subject: Mac->Win revisited
Message-ID: <2049439D-1964-472A-B169-6AA16D7F7BF3@conncoll.edu>


1. The problem I reported about the disappearing cursor does have a  
temporary solution, which I got from one of the comments in the  
Bugzilla report: include in some stack script the lines
      delete stack "revCursors"
      reset cursors
Presto. And that should suggest a fix for the bug, shouldn't it?

2. Is there some way to quit the Dreamcard Player in Windows without  
Ctrl-Alt-Delete? Do I have to build an entire menu system just for  
that, which I have no use for in the Mac version?

Charles


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jul 27 14:17:22 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:17:22 -0700
Subject: "Dumb question" time
In-Reply-To: <42E668E2.4618BA39@Club-Internet.fr>
References: <42E65A14.61B015C7@Club-Internet.fr>	<42E660BA.7090103@fourthworld.com>
	<42E668E2.4618BA39@Club-Internet.fr>
Message-ID: <42E7CFB2.5070301@fourthworld.com>

jbv wrote:
>>The only issue I've ever seen with the sort command turned out to be
>>documented:  the string library used for it requires that none of the
>>lines exceeds 64k (65,535 characters).  When sorting lines in which one
>>or more is longer than 64k the results will be unpredictable and likely
>>confusing.  I know, I've seen 'em -- sure confused the heck out of me
>>until I learned this limit. :) 
> 
> Thanks for the info... is it documented in Rev ?
> I don't remember reading it anywhere...

Not per se, or at least nothing connected with the "sort container" 
command that I could find.

Given how big 64k is it rarely comes up in common use; I found out about 
it from a support email from Scott Raney after one of my customers was 
having an inexplicable issue with WebMerge.

It's worth noting that for all customers I have and all the strange 
things they do with WebMerge (I have one customer go generates 300,000 
pages at a time with it) the 64k-per-line limit only came up once in the 
three years I've been selling the product.

In that customer's case we were able to recommend a better workflow for 
them:  they had one field that contained short stories, but it made 
their work more flexible to simply leave the short story in a separate 
file and reference the file from their database, allowing them to edit 
the story file without going into the database.

In recent years I've been using lists as RAM-based database tables with 
good results, and haven't had any record get even close to 64k as long 
as I provide support for referencing external files for things better 
suited for those.

Not all lists will lend themselves to that, but when they do you get to 
keep enjoying the simplicity and efficiency of chunk expressions for 
everything else, and a pretty good sort command. :)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 27 14:29:19 2005
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:29:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Justify text in a field
In-Reply-To: <20050727170005.1B528824D8E@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20050727182920.50592.qmail@web40509.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Developers,

After reading these messages about
Mac and Win fonts issues, i remember
about a code that Colin Holgate
contributed in the HyperCard list,
that used text properties named
extended and condensed to simulate
justification in a text field.

This code does not work in RR.
so, i ask this question to every
developer:

Do you have working code to create justified
text, or something that resemble this,
within a RR field?

Thanks in advance.

al


Visit my site:
http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/


		
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From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Wed Jul 27 14:30:15 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:30:15 -0400
Subject: bugzilla bug?
In-Reply-To: <BF0C6D78.265B7%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <BF0C6D78.265B7%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <AEC9B99C-A20D-4BB3-924C-BAB6E722DD83@conncoll.edu>

Wow, yes, RevZilla is very cool indeed. Thanks!

Charles


On Jul 26, 2005, at 11:45 PM, Ken Ray wrote:

> On 7/26/05 7:09 PM, "Charles Hartman"  
> <charles.hartman at conncoll.edu> wrote:
>
>
>> Does anybody else have a problem searching the bugzilla using Safari?
>> Whenever I try I get an error message saying that "The page you
>> opened redirected you to a page that isn't supported by Safari." It
>> adds, "Safari can't open the page <blah blah> because it cannot
>> redirect to locations starting with 'http:'."
>>
>
> Personally I don't use a browser to search Bugzilla - I use  
> RevZilla instead
> (it's so much easier):
>
> http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/RevZilla2.htm
>
> :-)
>
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
>
>
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From b.xavier at internet.lu  Wed Jul 27 14:44:25 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:44:25 +0200
Subject: Mac->Win revisited
In-Reply-To: <2049439D-1964-472A-B169-6AA16D7F7BF3@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <20050727183337.51C69824D68@mail.runrev.com>

probably...

but a close window => closerequest => quit should do it
nothing major... 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Charles Hartman
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 20:14
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Mac->Win revisited
> 
> 
> 1. The problem I reported about the disappearing cursor does 
> have a temporary solution, which I got from one of the 
> comments in the Bugzilla report: include in some stack script 
> the lines
>       delete stack "revCursors"
>       reset cursors
> Presto. And that should suggest a fix for the bug, shouldn't it?
> 
> 2. Is there some way to quit the Dreamcard Player in Windows 
> without Ctrl-Alt-Delete? Do I have to build an entire menu 
> system just for that, which I have no use for in the Mac version?
> 
> Charles
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From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Wed Jul 27 14:55:15 2005
From: FlexibleLearning at aol.com (FlexibleLearning at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:55:15 EDT
Subject: [ANN] ssBkChat for All
Message-ID: <dd.2a7d5e54.30193293@aol.com>

Following several requests, ssBkChat (a part of the Scripter's Scrapbook)  is 
now available as a rev plugIn. It's a great place to ask and answer questions 
 whilst programming, and the Rev Online access stack will always point you to 
the  most up-to-date version.

What's Included:
- Chat & private  messaging
- Direct file transfers
- Forum discussion
-  Scrapbook-to-Scrapbook Entry transfer
- Custom setUp preferences

Where  do you get it?
First get the access stack... Click the Rev Online button in  your menubar, 
select 'User Spaces' from the index, click 'Browse Users' and  select 'FLCo', 
then hilite 'ssBkChat PlugIn' and click 'Go to'. There is a  DOWNLOAD button 
that finishes the job... Simply place the stack in the plugIns  folder and you 
have real-time access to the service.

NOTE: ssBkChat is  not supported by the DreamCard player.

Enjoy!
 

/H
The Scripter's  Scrapbook
www.flexibleLearning.com/ssbk.htm
 


From b.xavier at internet.lu  Wed Jul 27 15:23:44 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:23:44 +0200
Subject: Justify text in a field
In-Reply-To: <20050727182920.50592.qmail@web40509.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050727191256.44D81824D4F@mail.runrev.com>

Hi All

only with monospace fonts...
but it works horizontal or vertically ;)

sorry
Xav 

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> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Alejandro Tejada
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 20:29
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Justify text in a field
> 
> Hi Developers,
> 
> After reading these messages about
> Mac and Win fonts issues, i remember
> about a code that Colin Holgate
> contributed in the HyperCard list,
> that used text properties named
> extended and condensed to simulate
> justification in a text field.
> 
> This code does not work in RR.
> so, i ask this question to every
> developer:
> 
> Do you have working code to create justified text, or 
> something that resemble this, within a RR field?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> al
> 
> 
> Visit my site:
> http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/
> 
> 
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 27 15:23:17 2005
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:23:17 -0700
Subject: Workaround request - textcolor property in a field in a group
In-Reply-To: <20050727182920.50592.qmail@web40509.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BF0D2D35.2B9DB%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Greeting group.

I am stuck trying to meet a deadline and can't remember some trivia about
textcolor property applied to text within a field.  For some reason this
worked last night, but now as I am getting ready to distribute.. no go.

Task > setting the textcolor of items in a field in a group this way

using tabStops + 
set itemDel to tab
--these work
set the backgroundcolor of fld AA of bg "betDisplayA" to pink
set the textcolor of fld AA of bg "betDisplayA" to darkblue

--does not work on this field, but does on others
set the textcolor of word 2 of line 2 of fld AA of bg "betDisplayA" to green

works from the message box
set the textcolor of word 1 of line 2 of fld comingAttractions to green
set the textcolor of item 2 of line 3 of fld comingAttractions to green


ANSWER --> I am screwed.  I did testing on a single group (background) using
the following
(note carefully the field specification I used to test the syntax and
effect)
(field AA is contained in a group, and there is only one group)

set the textcolor of word 2 of line 2 of fld AA to green --> works, so now I
can do other programming!

I then built a whole interface on the concept of colored text using field
chunks
The next level of complexity was to duplicate the constructed
[field.button.group] 8 times and write the code.

After hours of debugging other intricate tasks, I now find that setting the
color of a text chunk will not work if the field is in a group!!!!

This may have been covered already (most likely has) but I am now at my
deadline and have malarky to show the client.
Add to this that the dictionary ?textcolor? is linked to ?foregroundcolor?,
so there might be a note not to use bg whatever, but I could not get to it
using the documentation.

Very painful and costly lesson learned here.
Is there a workaround I could do in an hour or two? (I am pretty fast with
Transcript)

Thanks in advance for your help

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From transcom at comcast.net  Wed Jul 27 15:26:45 2005
From: transcom at comcast.net (Michael Mandaville)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:26:45 -0700
Subject: Application on Task -Dan Shafer Book
In-Reply-To: <BF0BD1ED.1A80%transcom@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BF0D2E05.1ABE%transcom@comcast.net>

I sent the stack to the email address that was in your response.  Hopefully
you got it.
Thank you,
Michael


------ Forwarded Message
From: Michael Mandaville <transcom at comcast.net>
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:41:33 -0700
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Application on Task -Dan Shafer Book

I'm a Newbie, working through the Tutorials and Dan Shafer's book.

So far, I've built the application up to page 266 in the book "Revolution"
However, while I've gone over the scripts more than a few times, I don't
believe that I have any errors and that they're in the right places, i.e.,
object, stack, etc.,

I still cannot populate the list or txt file with a task.

If anybody is familiar with the Dan Shafter app, I would appreciate some
guidance to get me past this roadblock.  Happy to share the final app - with
my hopefully correct comments - with anybody who wants it.

I can email the stack at will.
Thank you,

Michael Mandaville 

------ End of Forwarded Message




From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Jul 27 15:29:44 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:29:44 +0100
Subject: Mac->Win revisited
In-Reply-To: <2049439D-1964-472A-B169-6AA16D7F7BF3@conncoll.edu>
References: <2049439D-1964-472A-B169-6AA16D7F7BF3@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <42E7E0A8.5000103@tweedly.net>

Charles Hartman wrote:

> 2. Is there some way to quit the Dreamcard Player in Windows without  
> Ctrl-Alt-Delete? Do I have to build an entire menu system just for  
> that, which I have no use for in the Mac version?
>
Quit the Player itself, or the stack you are currently "playing" ?

In either case, AFAICT, the usual Windows methods work OK
   - Alt-F4
   - the little X icon in the title bar
   -  right-click on title bar and select Close

-- 
Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net



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From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Wed Jul 27 15:41:02 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:41:02 -0400
Subject: Mac->Win revisited
In-Reply-To: <42E7E0A8.5000103@tweedly.net>
References: <2049439D-1964-472A-B169-6AA16D7F7BF3@conncoll.edu>
	<42E7E0A8.5000103@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <E0A82A13-A170-4C96-9AC8-151A74EB8943@conncoll.edu>


On Jul 27, 2005, at 3:29 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

>> 2. Is there some way to quit the Dreamcard Player in Windows  
>> without  Ctrl-Alt-Delete? Do I have to build an entire menu system  
>> just for  that, which I have no use for in the Mac version?
>>
>>
> Quit the Player itself, or the stack you are currently "playing" ?
>
> In either case, AFAICT, the usual Windows methods work OK
>   - Alt-F4
>   - the little X icon in the title bar
>   -  right-click on title bar and select Close

I want (the user no matter how addled to be able) to quit the Player.

But the little X icon in the title bar does _not_ do it. That closes  
(each) stack, but leaves the Player sitting there in memory. Not  
being used to Windows, it took me a while to find that out. I  
certainly don't trust my users to know it. So I'm putting a nice, big  
QUIT button on the menu/map substack.

Thanks.

  Charles



From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Wed Jul 27 16:24:01 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:24:01 -0400
Subject: Justify text in a field
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9744606@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

You could have a script do this:
- get the formattedrect of a block of text
- calculate how far from the left of the field that block of text needs
to be
- insert a few spaces to the left of the block of text
- check the formattedrect of the block of text again
- keep inserting (or deleting if you go too far to the right) spaces
until item 1 of the formattedrect of the block of text is close enough
to be where it needs to be.
- if you really want to be neurotic, you can use spaces with a really
small font size, so that the width of a space is only 1 or 2 pixels!

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of MisterX
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 3:24 PM
To: 'How to use Revolution'
Subject: RE: Justify text in a field

Hi All

only with monospace fonts...
but it works horizontal or vertically ;)

sorry
Xav 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Alejandro Tejada
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 20:29
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Justify text in a field
> 
> Hi Developers,
> 
> After reading these messages about
> Mac and Win fonts issues, i remember
> about a code that Colin Holgate
> contributed in the HyperCard list,
> that used text properties named
> extended and condensed to simulate
> justification in a text field.
> 
> This code does not work in RR.
> so, i ask this question to every
> developer:
> 
> Do you have working code to create justified text, or 
> something that resemble this, within a RR field?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> al
> 
> 
> Visit my site:
> http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/
> 
> 
> 		
> ____________________________________________________
> Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page 
> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs 
>  
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From douggilliland at gmail.com  Wed Jul 27 16:28:48 2005
From: douggilliland at gmail.com (Douglas Gilliland)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:28:48 -0400
Subject: Flashing numbers added to Number Picker stack.
Message-ID: <890e3d2605072713281feef3bb@mail.gmail.com>

I just finished a small stack to select my 9th grade chemistry
students (sitting at numbered lab tables) at random. I have 25
students and used the following script to select one at random, then
speak that number:

on mouseUp
  put random (25) into field "field1"
 revsetspeechvoice "ralph"
  revspeak field "field1"
  wait 4 sec
  put empty into field "field1"
end mouseUp

To add a little flair, I would like numbers to quickly flash on the
screen for one or two seconds before it stops at the random number.
Looked through the documentation but found nothing.
Any suggestions? I don't need it if it is too difficult but thought I
would ask. I'm too new to Revolution to know how much it involves.
Doug Gilliland
Sarasota, FL


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 27 16:36:08 2005
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:36:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Flashing numbers added to Number Picker stack.
In-Reply-To: <890e3d2605072713281feef3bb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050727203608.85114.qmail@web60523.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Douglas Gilliland <douggilliland at gmail.com> wrote:
> I just finished a small stack to select my 9th grade
> chemistry
> students (sitting at numbered lab tables) at random.
> I have 25
> students and used the following script to select one
> at random, then
> speak that number:
> 
> on mouseUp
>   put random (25) into field "field1"
>  revsetspeechvoice "ralph"
>   revspeak field "field1"
>   wait 4 sec
>   put empty into field "field1"
> end mouseUp
> 
> To add a little flair, I would like numbers to
> quickly flash on the
> screen for one or two seconds before it stops at the
> random number.
> Looked through the documentation but found nothing.
> Any suggestions? I don't need it if it is too
> difficult but thought I
> would ask. I'm too new to Revolution to know how
> much it involves.
> Doug Gilliland
> 

Hi Doug,

Here's a quick idea:
--
on mouseUp
  ## show some numbers during 2 seconds
  repeat 10 times
    put random (25) into field "field1"
    wait 200 milliseconds
  end repeat
  ## now the code you already had
  put random (25) into field "field1"
  revsetspeechvoice "ralph"
  revspeak field "field1"
  wait 4 sec
  put empty into field "field1"
end mouseUp
--

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam - Tools for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)


		
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From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Jul 27 16:50:07 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:50:07 +0100
Subject: Mac->Win revisited
In-Reply-To: <E0A82A13-A170-4C96-9AC8-151A74EB8943@conncoll.edu>
References: <2049439D-1964-472A-B169-6AA16D7F7BF3@conncoll.edu>	<42E7E0A8.5000103@tweedly.net>
	<E0A82A13-A170-4C96-9AC8-151A74EB8943@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <42E7F37F.8020204@tweedly.net>

Charles Hartman wrote:

>
> On Jul 27, 2005, at 3:29 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
>
>>> 2. Is there some way to quit the Dreamcard Player in Windows  
>>> without  Ctrl-Alt-Delete? Do I have to build an entire menu system  
>>> just for  that, which I have no use for in the Mac version?
>>>
>>>
>> Quit the Player itself, or the stack you are currently "playing" ?
>>
>> In either case, AFAICT, the usual Windows methods work OK
>>   - Alt-F4
>>   - the little X icon in the title bar
>>   -  right-click on title bar and select Close
>
>
> I want (the user no matter how addled to be able) to quit the Player.
>
> But the little X icon in the title bar does _not_ do it. 

Yes it does work, exactly as I and other Windows users would expect it 
to work.  It closes the app (or window) in whose title bar you are at 
the time (or which has focus when you do Alt-F4). That's what Windows 
*always* does.

> That closes  (each) stack, but leaves the Player sitting there in 
> memory. Not  being used to Windows, it took me a while to find that 
> out. I  certainly don't trust my users to know it. So I'm putting a 
> nice, big  QUIT button on the menu/map substack.
>
I'd be inclined to expect your users to know it - standard Windows 
behaviour. Why should closing one window/instance close any others ? 

Using a button linked to a script containing a "quit" should do what you 
want - though I personally think that's a bug. See BZ 2596 and 2597.

A "quit" in a stack within the player causes the entire player to quit 
*including* any other stack currently running within that player. You 
can run any number of stacks within a Player (and cannot run multiple 
instances of the Player) - so if you need to have two stacks running 
simultaneously, and one "quit"s, the other exits also, taking with it 
potentially any unsaved work.

btw - I think I had one stack that tried to use "quit" and it didn't 
work - but after I discovered the problems in 2597, I stopped trying to 
do it, so didn't pursue that issue all the way to the end ... so make 
sure you test it thoroughly (as if I had to say that, sorry).

-- 
Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net



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From davis.phil at comcast.net  Wed Jul 27 17:20:37 2005
From: davis.phil at comcast.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:20:37 -0700
Subject: Workaround request - textcolor property in a field in a group
In-Reply-To: <BF0D2D35.2B9DB%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <BF0D2D35.2B9DB%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42E7FAA5.9060302@comcast.net>

Hi Jim,

Grasping at straws here, but maybe it'll awaken something in your brain:

Does the text of field "AA" contain CRs (which define lines), or does it 
just look like multiple lines, 'soft' wrapping and and flowing without 
having any CRs in it? If the latter, that would explain why you can't 
select a chunk in line 2.

That's all I can see for the moment...

Phil Davis



Jim Ault wrote:
> Greeting group.
> 
> I am stuck trying to meet a deadline and can't remember some trivia about
> textcolor property applied to text within a field.  For some reason this
> worked last night, but now as I am getting ready to distribute.. no go.
> 
> Task > setting the textcolor of items in a field in a group this way
> 
> using tabStops + 
> set itemDel to tab
> --these work
> set the backgroundcolor of fld AA of bg "betDisplayA" to pink
> set the textcolor of fld AA of bg "betDisplayA" to darkblue
> 
> --does not work on this field, but does on others
> set the textcolor of word 2 of line 2 of fld AA of bg "betDisplayA" to green
> 
> works from the message box
> set the textcolor of word 1 of line 2 of fld comingAttractions to green
> set the textcolor of item 2 of line 3 of fld comingAttractions to green
> 
> 
> ANSWER --> I am screwed.  I did testing on a single group (background) using
> the following
> (note carefully the field specification I used to test the syntax and
> effect)
> (field AA is contained in a group, and there is only one group)
> 
> set the textcolor of word 2 of line 2 of fld AA to green --> works, so now I
> can do other programming!
> 
> I then built a whole interface on the concept of colored text using field
> chunks
> The next level of complexity was to duplicate the constructed
> [field.button.group] 8 times and write the code.
> 
> After hours of debugging other intricate tasks, I now find that setting the
> color of a text chunk will not work if the field is in a group!!!!
> 
> This may have been covered already (most likely has) but I am now at my
> deadline and have malarky to show the client.
> Add to this that the dictionary ?textcolor? is linked to ?foregroundcolor?,
> so there might be a note not to use bg whatever, but I could not get to it
> using the documentation.
> 
> Very painful and costly lesson learned here.
> Is there a workaround I could do in an hour or two? (I am pretty fast with
> Transcript)
> 
> Thanks in advance for your help
> 
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
> 
> 
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From douggilliland at gmail.com  Wed Jul 27 17:28:03 2005
From: douggilliland at gmail.com (Douglas Gilliland)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:28:03 -0400
Subject: Flashing numbers added to Number Picker stack.
In-Reply-To: <20050727203608.85114.qmail@web60523.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <890e3d2605072713281feef3bb@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050727203608.85114.qmail@web60523.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <890e3d2605072714286adbf467@mail.gmail.com>

Jan,
It works even better than I thought it would.
Thanks for the quick script - it is greatly appreciated. 
Doug Gilliland
Sarasota, FL


On 7/27/05, Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
> --- Douglas Gilliland <douggilliland at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I just finished a small stack to select my 9th grade
> > chemistry
> > students (sitting at numbered lab tables) at random.
> > I have 25
> > students and used the following script to select one
> > at random, then
> > speak that number:
> >
> > on mouseUp
> >   put random (25) into field "field1"
> >  revsetspeechvoice "ralph"
> >   revspeak field "field1"
> >   wait 4 sec
> >   put empty into field "field1"
> > end mouseUp
> >
> > To add a little flair, I would like numbers to
> > quickly flash on the
> > screen for one or two seconds before it stops at the
> > random number.
> > Looked through the documentation but found nothing.
> > Any suggestions? I don't need it if it is too
> > difficult but thought I
> > would ask. I'm too new to Revolution to know how
> > much it involves.
> > Doug Gilliland
> >
> 
> Hi Doug,
> 
> Here's a quick idea:
> --
> on mouseUp
>   ## show some numbers during 2 seconds
>   repeat 10 times
>     put random (25) into field "field1"
>     wait 200 milliseconds
>   end repeat
>   ## now the code you already had
>   put random (25) into field "field1"
>   revsetspeechvoice "ralph"
>   revspeak field "field1"
>   wait 4 sec
>   put empty into field "field1"
> end mouseUp
> --
> 
> Hope this helped,
> 
> Jan Schenkel.
> 
> Quartam - Tools for Revolution
> <http://www.quartam.com>
> 
> =====
> "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)
> 
> 
> 
> ____________________________________________________
> Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page
> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
> 
>


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Jul 27 17:56:48 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:56:48 -0700
Subject: ANN: Updates on MonsieurX
In-Reply-To: <20050727172619.3805A824D4D@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050727172619.3805A824D4D@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <12917362495.20050727145648@ahsoftware.net>

MisterX-

I was imagining you with secret ties to an international ring of
dentist spies...

"The tooth? You can't *handle* the tooth"

...bwaaahaha...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mdswindell at charter.net  Wed Jul 27 18:01:03 2005
From: mdswindell at charter.net (Mark Swindell)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:01:03 -0700
Subject: Crossword Generator
Message-ID: <2397B171-9EC6-40CF-906F-3DC0EEF83688@charter.net>

Has anyone made a crossword generator in Rev?  URL?

Thanks
Mark


From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Wed Jul 27 18:12:07 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:12:07 +1000
Subject: Workaround request - textcolor property in a field in a group
In-Reply-To: <BF0D2D35.2B9DB%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <BF0D2D35.2B9DB%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CBBA0CD1-5109-4D7F-A365-55AEA6479311@genesearch.com.au>

> I am stuck trying to meet a deadline and can't remember some trivia  
> about
> textcolor property applied to text within a field.  For some reason  
> this
> worked last night, but now as I am getting ready to distribute.. no  
> go.
>
> Task > setting the textcolor of items in a field in a group this way
>
> using tabStops +
> set itemDel to tab
> --these work
> set the backgroundcolor of fld AA of bg "betDisplayA" to pink
> set the textcolor of fld AA of bg "betDisplayA" to darkblue
>
> --does not work on this field, but does on others
> set the textcolor of word 2 of line 2 of fld AA of bg "betDisplayA"  
> to green
>
> works from the message box
> set the textcolor of word 1 of line 2 of fld comingAttractions to  
> green
> set the textcolor of item 2 of line 3 of fld comingAttractions to  
> green
>
Jim, I don't know if this makes any difference, but I always use  
forecolor to set the color of text.

I can successfully set the color of text in a field that is a member  
of a group, but I don't have the group specified in the script. Do  
you have to use the group's name?

  Other workarounds you could try would be to specify a range of  
words or a range of characters and see if this worked. Or try using  
the RGB values for the color. Or try setting the color of your chunk  
to empty first and then setting the new color. None of these should  
be necessary, but as you are approaching your deadline, I thought I  
would offer them as things to try.

And finally, to cheer you up, a quote from Douglas Adams: "I love  
deadlines - I love the whooshing noise they make as they go by." :-)

Good luck,
Sarah



From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Wed Jul 27 18:23:12 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:23:12 -0400
Subject: Mac->Win revisited
In-Reply-To: <42E7F37F.8020204@tweedly.net>
References: <2049439D-1964-472A-B169-6AA16D7F7BF3@conncoll.edu>	<42E7E0A8.5000103@tweedly.net>
	<E0A82A13-A170-4C96-9AC8-151A74EB8943@conncoll.edu>
	<42E7F37F.8020204@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <3FCD2794-D25F-437E-A7CC-5AA70E526AC9@conncoll.edu>


On Jul 27, 2005, at 4:50 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> Yes it does work, exactly as I and other Windows users would expect  
> it to work.  It closes the app (or window) in whose title bar you  
> are at the time (or which has focus when you do Alt-F4). That's  
> what Windows *always* does.

Yes, I understand that. The problem is that after you close all (up  
to) three stacks in my app, you think you've quit the Player; but you  
haven't.

I've tried out the Quit (with just an OK or Cancel), and it seems to  
work. If this thing gets more elaborate, and there's data to save,  
I'll move carefully.

Thanks again.

Charles



From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 27 18:23:18 2005
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:23:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Justify text in a field
In-Reply-To: <20050727211842.E9E78824DC2@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20050727222318.56260.qmail@web40513.mail.yahoo.com>

on Wed, 27 Jul 2005 
xavier wrote:

> only with monospace fonts...
> but it works horizontal or vertically ;)

Monospaced only! I hoped for a 
more proportional solution. ;-)

Jonathan Lynch wrote:
> You could have a script do this:
> - get the formattedrect of a block of text

Do you mean the formattedrect of a single line?

> - calculate how far from the left of the field that
> block of text needs to be
> - insert a few spaces to the left of the block of
> text

if i remember well, Colin inserted spaces between
words, and set the styles of words to extended and
condensed, but i could not find his code now. :-(

> - check the formattedrect of the block of text again
> - keep inserting (or deleting if you go too far to
> the right) spaces until item 1 of the formattedrect 
> of the block of text is close enough to be where it 
> needs to be.

In scrolling fields this could take a while.
Did you had some timings available for this
technique? In this way i could know beforehand if
it is user's friendly. 

> - if you really want to be neurotic, you can use
> spaces with a really small font size, so that the 
> width of a space is only 1 or 2 pixels!

This idea is fine and very precise,
but what will happen if you had to 
copy and paste this text elsewhere.

You'll be carrying a lot of empty space 
with the copied text, unless you perform
some cleaning up in copied text. :-(

Thanks a lot to Jonathan and Xavier for
sharing their insights!

al


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http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/


		
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From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Jul 27 18:40:21 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:40:21 +0100
Subject: Crossword Generator
In-Reply-To: <2397B171-9EC6-40CF-906F-3DC0EEF83688@charter.net>
References: <2397B171-9EC6-40CF-906F-3DC0EEF83688@charter.net>
Message-ID: <42E80D55.6010703@tweedly.net>

Mark Swindell wrote:

> Has anyone made a crossword generator in Rev?  URL?
>

No, but I made a Sudoku assistant.
Is that close enough ? :-)

-- 
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From revolution at derbrill.de  Wed Jul 27 18:48:20 2005
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 00:48:20 +0200
Subject: *ping* Jim Hurley
In-Reply-To: <20050727211843.29A44824DC4@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <87AC2A30-FEF0-11D9-A73D-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>

Sorry to bring this on list...

Jim, did you receive my last 2 off-list mails? I fear spam filtering 
again.

Cheers,

Malte



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jul 27 19:11:59 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:11:59 -0500
Subject: Workaround request - textcolor property in a field in a group
In-Reply-To: <BF0D2D35.2B9DB%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <BF0D2D35.2B9DB%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42E814BF.1030505@hyperactivesw.com>

Jim Ault wrote:

> --does not work on this field, but does on others
> set the textcolor of word 2 of line 2 of fld AA of bg "betDisplayA" to green

I just tried this. I get a failure with the above syntax, but success if 
I substitute "grp" for "bg". That is, this works:

set the textcolor of word 2 of line 2 of fld AA of grp "betDisplayA" to 
"green"

This may not work if you aren't on the right card currently, as "grp" 
isn't a valid reference if it isn't placed on the current card.

Note the quotes around the color name. Even though they are constants, 
the MC docs say color names should always be in quotes, so that is my habit.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jerry at daniels-mara.com  Wed Jul 27 19:15:08 2005
From: jerry at daniels-mara.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:15:08 -0500
Subject: revDocWiki
In-Reply-To: <42E6B7EE.7090509@fourthworld.com>
References: <p06200700bf0b270ae35a@[10.0.1.2]>	<AA5E8E28-E69B-4567-85B8-ACDDAE191DDE@danshafer.com>
	<42E6A8C1.3070800@chipp.com> <42E6B7EE.7090509@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <d33769ea7653e6d0384bb71627a1d417@daniels-mara.com>

Richard,

Thanks for the love!

Yes, Transcript Gadget (which houses an imported xscript dictionary) is 
"hooked up" to Rev script editor or Constellation script editor. RIght 
click (control-click) on a xscript word in a scrpt and Transcript 
Gadget looks it up - OR - right click (control click) on a call to one 
of your handlers and Transcript Gadget finds the handler WHEREVER it 
might dwell and open it up in a script editor. This is the one gadget 
that keeps me from going insane trying to find a handler and figuring 
out what it does.

If it will help the revDocWiki project, i can get the docs parsing code 
to whomever needs it. If we need it hooked up to a script editor (as 
mentioned above) perhaps we have an extension to Transcript Gadget?

Just in town for supplies...

Jerry

http://daniels-mara.com/products/objectgadget.htm

On Jul 26, 2005, at 5:23 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Chipp Walters wrote:
>
> > Dan Shafer wrote:
> >> The docs are already in XML. Jerry Daniels has written a parser for
> >> them that gets used in his Transcript Gadget.
> >
> > I should mention the parser Jerry modified (and I did too, and even
> > perhaps Mr. Sanke as well) originated from Richard Gaskin's generous
> > contribution for his help stack for MC. Thanks Richard!
>
> My pleasure.  And thanks for the thoughtful mention.
>
> I'm a big fan of both XML and the Rev object model, and I'm rather 
> addicted to the Dictionary. My revised Dictionary shell attempts to 
> deliver the best of both worlds:
>
> XML is a great format for authoring, as it allows the individual 
> topics to be moved from team member to team member for authoring and 
> review. But as we've seen, indexing and parsing them on the fly is, 
> well, suboptimal. :)
>
> It's hard to beat Rev's native object model for efficiently traversing 
> a body of work like this.  Even with nearly 1500 entries the 
> mcDictionary loads about as quickly as the XML-based one that ships 
> with Rev, but is significantly faster for moving document-to-document, 
> since you're only going card-to-card rather than loading files from 
> disk and parsing XML CDATA on the fly.
>
> Jerry's done a wonderful job extending the mcDictionary stack, adding 
> a lot of geat new functionality and a nifty Rossi-esque look.
>
> Since it only takes less than a minute to import the data into the 
> stack, I hope one day we can see that incorporated into Rev's 
> automated build process and have it shipped with the product. Jerry's 
> is certainly worthy.
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal
>  _______________________________________________________
>  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com
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From Cubist at aol.com  Wed Jul 27 19:15:39 2005
From: Cubist at aol.com (Cubist at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:15:39 EDT
Subject: Workaround request - textcolor property in a field in a group
Message-ID: <1c2.2d70ba65.30196f9b@aol.com>

sez davis.phil at comcast.net:
>Grasping at straws here, but maybe it'll awaken something in your brain:
>Does the text of field "AA" contain CRs (which define lines), or does it
>just look like multiple lines, 'soft' wrapping and and flowing without
>having any CRs in it? If the latter, that would explain why you can't 
>select a chunk in line 2.
   A possibly useful hint: Try setting the firstIndent of the field to 75. 
However-many *real* lines of text you have in the field, each of those lines 
will magically acquire an inch-or-so of whitespace at its beginning.

   Hope this helps...


From soapdog at mac.com  Wed Jul 27 19:20:25 2005
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:20:25 -0300
Subject: ECMI
In-Reply-To: <42E54F93.8040001@fourthworld.com>
References: <p06230903bf0abeeba4e7@[192.168.1.104]>
	<42E52523.80908@fourthworld.com>
	<1699756248.20050725121242@ahsoftware.net>
	<42E53CD6.3080702@fourthworld.com>
	<7012306025.20050725125512@ahsoftware.net>
	<42E54F93.8040001@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <af03f548efeef42de990768945de43eb@mac.com>

I've been somekind of invisible latelly, mostly due to university and 
the mayhem of trying to setup my pages...

Well, here is a nice offer. I can host ECMI Pages, Files and lists at 
WeCode.Org. I have majordomo lists there, file space, anything we could 
want. No need to fuss with Yahoo!Groups  stuff. Also we can run Rev 
CGIs in there.

Cheers
andre


On Jul 25, 2005, at 5:46 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Mark Wieder wrote:
>> Richard-
>> Monday, July 25, 2005, 12:26:14 PM, you wrote:
>> RG> I agree wholeheartedly.  While we have no control over the 
>> requirements
>> RG> Yahoo Groups has for file access, as I've written before we will 
>> have a
>> That's interesting. In the past Yahoo allowed this control to the list
>> owner. Has that changed?
>
> I don't know.  I don't recall having seen anything different, but I've 
> only been managing groups at Yahoo for a few years, since the 
> acquisition from eGroups.  I don't recall what the eGroups options 
> were.
>
> These are the options Yahoo provides me:
>   - Members (upload/modify/download files) <- current setting
>   - Limited (members can download files;
>      moderators can upload/modify/download files)
>   - Moderators only (upload/modify/download files)
>   - Off (no one can access the Files feature)
>
> These appear to be the same for all of the Yahoo Groups I have admin 
> access for.
>
> Which Yahoo Groups have you managed which allow another option?
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal
>  _______________________________________________________
>  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com
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>
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http://studio.soapdog.org



From jeff at siphonophore.com  Wed Jul 27 19:39:13 2005
From: jeff at siphonophore.com (Jeffrey Reynolds)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:39:13 -0400
Subject: Whiteboard Conferencing
In-Reply-To: <20050726002853.145D7824F26@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050726002853.145D7824F26@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <903875ad8fc93a2b81e17eb40492695c@siphonophore.com>

Hi all,

I have been searching for a simple electronic white board solution to 
go with video conferencing like ichat av. I just want to be able to do 
some quick text typed and perhaps shapes that everyone could doodle 
with virtually.

I have not found a good solution with the mac (bitwise seems to be the 
simplest) so far and it dawned on me that this would be something that 
rev could easily do. so the first question is does anyone know of a 
good solution already out there or has anyone attempted this sort of 
thing with rev already? I realize it would probably need to be a web 
based solution, but it seems like something up rev's alley...

thanks

jeff reynolds



From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Jul 27 19:44:27 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 00:44:27 +0100
Subject: revDocWiki
In-Reply-To: <d33769ea7653e6d0384bb71627a1d417@daniels-mara.com>
References: <p06200700bf0b270ae35a@[10.0.1.2]>	<AA5E8E28-E69B-4567-85B8-ACDDAE191DDE@danshafer.com>	<42E6A8C1.3070800@chipp.com>
	<42E6B7EE.7090509@fourthworld.com>
	<d33769ea7653e6d0384bb71627a1d417@daniels-mara.com>
Message-ID: <42E81C5B.5080304@tweedly.net>

Jerry Daniels wrote:

>
>     RIght click (control-click) on a xscript word in a scrpt and 
> Transcript Gadget looks it up - OR - right click (control click) on a 
> call to one of your handlers and Transcript Gadget finds the handler 
> WHEREVER it might dwell and open it up in a script editor.


Well, why didn't you *say* so. Finds your own handlers when you can't 
remember where you put them ....

This is the one of the features of other IDEs that I've missed most in 
Rev (kind of indirectly - other IDEs may not exactly have this, but they 
have the approx equivalent).  As far as I can tell, nothing on your web 
site actually mentions this important (to me) feature.  Knowing this is 
included, I didn't even need to think about whether this fits in my 
recreational software budget for this year (it doesn't), I knew I wanted 
it anyway.

I've just been and bought a copy - thank you for mentioning this feature 
on here ! 

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From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Wed Jul 27 20:01:22 2005
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:01:22 -0700
Subject: request for script or stack
Message-ID: <p06200701bf0dc91adf09@[10.0.1.2]>

Greetings,

I'm sorry to whine, but I really miss my hyperCard command-F. The 
cursor was positioned in the message box to type my search term, 
between quotation marks, and away I went. Hit the return key for the 
next hit if I don't like the item I just found. Hit the return key as 
many times as I want.

It worked about the same as typing

find "confabulation"

in Rev's message box. I think Rev is somewhat slower, but I can live 
with that. What I don't like is having to type the whole darned find 
command, including the quotation marks.

Rev's command-F find window remains much slower than the Find command 
in the message box, even if both searches are restricted to the same 
stack and to field text only. I can't imagine why. I just tested it. 
I searched for "Gloria" in a fairly bulky stack that contains a lot 
of names. Typing find "gloria" in the message box found four 
instances almost instantly.

Then I tried find "gloria" with Rev's command-F "Find and Replace" 
window. I clicked "field text" only, I chose "this stack" only, and I 
checked "obey dontsearch properties." It was at least 1000 times 
slower, maybe 5000 times slower, or more. And, in 2.6.1, it's still 
not possible to abort a search in this window once you start one. If 
you accidentally start the wrong search, you could grow a beard 
before it was done searching.

Both HC and Rev had their limits with the simple "find" command. HC 
didn't "find whole" very consistently, if you typed it into the 
message box. It would find whole just once. After that, if you kept 
hitting the return key, it would "find word." In HC and Rev, if you 
get multiple hits on the same page, they keep cycling through the 
same hits on that page until you move to the next one. Then you can 
resume hitting the return key.

Sooooo... I'd like to have a script that would start with maybe just 
a click on a button or a keystroke. It might give me my choice of 
find whole, find word, find string, or something like that. It would 
position the cursor in the suitable field, I wouldn't have to type 
quotation marks. It would search as fast as the find command typed 
into Rev's message box, or in a script. I could hit the return key 
(or maybe a button) repeatedly until I found the item  I was looking 
for. AND, the find function wouldn't get "stuck" on one page if there 
were multiple hits on the same page. If it were a floating window, 
ideally, the window would move out of the way so I could see the hits 
underneath, and if the hits were in a scrolling field, the field 
would scroll so I could see the hits. Ideally, it would ignore 
invisible fields, unless maybe I turned that option on.

(And in a perfect world, this would be a native feature in the next 
Rev upgrade.)

I'm capable of writing a script that would do most of this stuff, or 
maybe it would be a small utility stack, but it takes me a long time, 
and it really isn't my hobby. I admit I sometimes get obsessed with 
that sort of thing. It actually feels like a sickness sometimes, if I 
get too obsessed. Weird... True confessions...

It seems likely that someone has written a script or made a little 
stack that does about what I'm describing. If so, what's it called, 
where can I find it, and can I use it, please? I'd be grateful. I 
checked the Rev online stack archives, but didn't find anything.

If I've overlooked some obvious way of doing all this very easily, it 
wouldn't surprise me a bit. In that case, please clue me.


Cheers,



Tim



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Wed Jul 27 20:47:29 2005
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:47:29 +0800
Subject: Newbie ? Answered
In-Reply-To: <66.5bafada5.3018cfd1@aol.com>
References: <66.5bafada5.3018cfd1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <f73a981605072717477460a6fc@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/27/05, Hamburger1 at aol.com <Hamburger1 at aol.com> wrote:
> I know I have to and enthusiastically want to finally wean myself from
> HyperCard. I expect that will happen by the end of the year.

Wow, and I thought I was still clinging to the past. 1 x Quadra 650 on
7.6, 1 x Performa 6400 on 8.6, 2 x Beige G3s on 9.2 and everything
else on OSX, yet I came to the conclusion that I had to move from HC
years ago. Looked at RealBasic for a short while but Rev was the on
Real choice;-)

If you have persevered with HC this long, then I imagine you'll have
what it takes to make the transition to Rev. If you are anything like
me, then depending on the size of your stack you'll have a couple of
weeks of frustration/head scratching. Then when your head (not stack)
is finally converted to the Rev way, things will really start falling
into place and progress will be much quicker. Also you'll come to
appreciation of all the extra potential that Rev offers over HC.

And then will come the desire to completely rewrite your stack -
cleaner, faster, and with more features.

One warning though, Rev is NOT as stable as HC, and understandably so.
Rev has so many more features and has to cope with cross platform
compatibility. Even so, its frequent crashes (2.6 is so much  better
than 2.2) can become annoying unless you are prepared. I do two
things:

1) Each new day I start working on a stack, I open it, ie MyStack v87,
and immediately "Save As..." with a new sequential number, ie MyStack
v88. If I completely stuff up the stack with my 'new feature' I can
always go back to yesterdays working copy.

2) EVERY time I change a script I use the "Apply and Save" menu. This
adds a little time to the process, but you'll eventually be VERY glad
you did.

Good luck


From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Jul 27 21:32:17 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:32:17 -0500
Subject: revDocWiki
In-Reply-To: <42E81C5B.5080304@tweedly.net>
References: <p06200700bf0b270ae35a@[10.0.1.2]>	<AA5E8E28-E69B-4567-85B8-ACDDAE191DDE@danshafer.com>	<42E6A8C1.3070800@chipp.com>	<42E6B7EE.7090509@fourthworld.com>	<d33769ea7653e6d0384bb71627a1d417@daniels-mara.com>
	<42E81C5B.5080304@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <42E835A1.6030109@chipp.com>

Yeah, I have to say, once you start using this you're forever hooked. I 
find it especially great for those really long library scripts, which I 
call from a card script.

So, I'm editting the card script and I see this 'altSomethingOrOther' 
function I wrote eons ago and I'm wondering "what does THAT do?", so I 
right-click and immediately my library script is opened in a new window 
(or a new tab if I'm using Jerry's tab-based Constellation script 
editor), and instantly the script text is scrolled to the function.

Sweet.

-Chipp

Alex Tweedly wrote:
> Jerry Daniels wrote:
> 
>>
>>     RIght click (control-click) on a xscript word in a scrpt and 
>> Transcript Gadget looks it up - OR - right click (control click) on a 
>> call to one of your handlers and Transcript Gadget finds the handler 
>> WHEREVER it might dwell and open it up in a script editor.
> 
> 
> 
> Well, why didn't you *say* so. Finds your own handlers when you can't 
> remember where you put them ....
> 
> This is the one of the features of other IDEs that I've missed most in 
> Rev (kind of indirectly - other IDEs may not exactly have this, but they 
> have the approx equivalent).  As far as I can tell, nothing on your web 
> site actually mentions this important (to me) feature.  Knowing this is 
> included, I didn't even need to think about whether this fits in my 
> recreational software budget for this year (it doesn't), I knew I wanted 
> it anyway.
> 
> I've just been and bought a copy - thank you for mentioning this feature 
> on here !


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Wed Jul 27 22:10:24 2005
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:10:24 +0800
Subject: "Dumb question" time
In-Reply-To: <42E65E50.10822985@Club-Internet.fr>
References: <42E65A14.61B015C7@Club-Internet.fr>
	<88C9DA2D-A089-48BC-87E1-2883C4B1CADF@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<42E65E50.10822985@Club-Internet.fr>
Message-ID: <f73a981605072719104aff8163@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/27/05, jbv <jbv.silences at club-internet.fr> wrote:
> I think it has to do with
> the structure of the data to be sorted...
> it can be 10 to 500 lines with 40 items in each line, and
> each item can be the sorting key, but for certain lines, the
> item can be empty and I have the feeling that it's the cause
> of the inconstency in the sort result...
> I'll check that...

Yes, your on the right path.

When ever I have had problems with sorts it has usually come down to
'return' , 'comma', 'tab' and 'quote'. The problem is usually you
think you put in 200 lines of text, but some of that text contains a
return character so you end up with 200+ lines of text. Similarly you
think there are 40 items in each line, but some of those items include
a comma so you end up with 40+ items in some lines.

My solution is to use one or more of these as appropriate:
   replace return with "nnnn" in myStore
   replace comma with "cccc" in myStore --setting the itemDelimiter to
tab is an option
   replace tab with "tttt" in myStore
   replace quote with "qqqq" in myStore

Then when you have done your sort, correct the format back with the reverse:

   replace "nnnn" with return in myStore
   replace "cccc" with comma in myStore
   replace "tttt" with tab in myStore
   replace "qqqq" with quote in myStore

Obviously timing is everything. Assuming you have a 40 cell wide, 200
row deep table/spreadsheet and some of those cells contain a comma
and/or a return character you'll need to access each cell FIRST to
ensure no offending characters exist. Setting the itemDelimiter to tab
can be a quick way around this if there are commas in fields. With
returns you need some sort of 'counter' so you can be sure that the
return you are replaceing is in a cell not the end of a row. It can be
very hard to determine the existence of a return in the last cell of a
row so it is better to set your data up so that will NEVER be the
case. Once each cell has been checked, then you can do your sort.

Cheers


From tkuypers at pandora.be  Wed Jul 27 22:14:08 2005
From: tkuypers at pandora.be (Ton Kuypers)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 04:14:08 +0200
Subject: OS9 engine or player?
Message-ID: <EA43F41F-C8AF-4F08-BE52-C3D2D07B90E6@pandora.be>

I have a problem dowloading the Mac OS9 engine...
Can anyone supply me this (as soon as possible, I have an  
installation within 5 hours...) or tell me where to download the OS9  
player...

Also, where do I put the engine... I've found one (MacOSfat.dir) and  
put it into the components/engines folder, but no luck...

Many, many thanks in advance!!!

Ton Kuypers

From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Wed Jul 27 22:30:53 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:30:53 +1000
Subject: request for script or stack
In-Reply-To: <p06200701bf0dc91adf09@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <p06200701bf0dc91adf09@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <FB40B08D-3C68-45C3-B526-1380361DB64B@genesearch.com.au>

Hi Tim,

> I'm sorry to whine, but I really miss my hyperCard command-F. The  
> cursor was positioned in the message box to type my search term,  
> between quotation marks, and away I went. Hit the return key for  
> the next hit if I don't like the item I just found. Hit the return  
> key as many times as I want.
>
> It worked about the same as typing
>
> find "confabulation"
>
> in Rev's message box. I think Rev is somewhat slower, but I can  
> live with that. What I don't like is having to type the whole  
> darned find command, including the quotation marks.

Here is a script to do it:

  go to cd "Single Line" of stack "Message Box"
  put "find " & quote & quote into fld "Message Field" \
    of cd "Single Line" of stack "Message Box"
  put " select char 7 to 6 of fld " & quote & "Message Field" \
    & quote & " of cd " & quote & "Single Line" & quote & " of stack " \
    & quote & "Message Box" & quote into tCmd
  send tCmd to me in 2 ticks

It doesn't set the hilite in the correct button at the top of the  
message box & it doesn't set the title, but it gets you to the single  
line entry, puts in the find and selects between the quotes.

The delay in selecting is required because the message box remembers  
your last selectedChunk and puts that back, so I have to wait until  
that has happened before over-riding it.

On my web page <http://www.troz.net/Rev/>, you will find a plugin  
called "FunKey" that allows you to allocate script snippets to  
certain function keys. You may find that if you attach this script to  
a function key, you have exactly what you want :-)

>
> Rev's command-F find window remains much slower than the Find  
> command in the message box, even if both searches are restricted to  
> the same stack and to field text only. I can't imagine why. I just  
> tested it. I searched for "Gloria" in a fairly bulky stack that  
> contains a lot of names. Typing find "gloria" in the message box  
> found four instances almost instantly.
>
> Then I tried find "gloria" with Rev's command-F "Find and Replace"  
> window. I clicked "field text" only, I chose "this stack" only, and  
> I checked "obey dontsearch properties." It was at least 1000 times  
> slower, maybe 5000 times slower, or more. And, in 2.6.1, it's still  
> not possible to abort a search in this window once you start one.  
> If you accidentally start the wrong search, you could grow a beard  
> before it was done searching.
It is just a script, so it can be stopped by Command-period, or  
whatever you usually use to stop a script.

Cheers,
Sarah

***************************
Sarah Reichelt
sarah at troz.net
http://www.troz.net/Rev/
***************************




From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Wed Jul 27 22:38:09 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:38:09 -0400
Subject: Crossword Generator
In-Reply-To: <2397B171-9EC6-40CF-906F-3DC0EEF83688@charter.net>
References: <2397B171-9EC6-40CF-906F-3DC0EEF83688@charter.net>
Message-ID: <bd721f3bbfe0074e973994db076df2d9@adelphia.net>

Mark,

I made an iconic crossword generator that uses icons in sequences 
instead letters in sequences (as words). The icon sequences 'represent' 
words and phrases. Is that close enough???

I did a few error checking things to see if the last icon of line 1 is 
the first icon of line 2 or if the second icon of down 5 is the last 
icon in 6 across etc. I did cheat though because if there were not 
enough words to create it then I just had the thing try a whole new 
generation instead of rearranging the ones I had. Also, I then had to 
error check to make sure the same sequence was not used twice etc.

HTH

Tom McGrath


On Jul 27, 2005, at 6:01 PM, Mark Swindell wrote:

> Has anyone made a crossword generator in Rev?  URL?
>
> Thanks
> Mark
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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Wed Jul 27 22:45:08 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:45:08 -0400
Subject: Mac->Win revisited
In-Reply-To: <3FCD2794-D25F-437E-A7CC-5AA70E526AC9@conncoll.edu>
References: <2049439D-1964-472A-B169-6AA16D7F7BF3@conncoll.edu>	<42E7E0A8.5000103@tweedly.net>
	<E0A82A13-A170-4C96-9AC8-151A74EB8943@conncoll.edu>
	<42E7F37F.8020204@tweedly.net>
	<3FCD2794-D25F-437E-A7CC-5AA70E526AC9@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <f63f36ffdb4aa5b18993fc95d7c8469c@adelphia.net>

Pardon me chiming in here.

When using things like players and speech etc. it is our responsibility 
to close them ourselves in our code when and if for any reason our 
program is to quit. So I would put a piece of script in a on closeStack 
that takes care of the player when closing.

This is because players and speech use libraries and/or QT etc. to work 
and like a serial port that is opened it must be closed or problems may 
occur. This is good coding practice.

Maybe you can have in each stack an on closeStack that checks if all 
three (+-) stacks are closed and 'then' closes the player only if all 
are closed.

HTH

Thanks

Tom

On Jul 27, 2005, at 6:23 PM, Charles Hartman wrote:

>
> On Jul 27, 2005, at 4:50 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
>
>> Yes it does work, exactly as I and other Windows users would expect 
>> it to work.  It closes the app (or window) in whose title bar you are 
>> at the time (or which has focus when you do Alt-F4). That's what 
>> Windows *always* does.
>
> Yes, I understand that. The problem is that after you close all (up 
> to) three stacks in my app, you think you've quit the Player; but you 
> haven't.
>
> I've tried out the Quit (with just an OK or Cancel), and it seems to 
> work. If this thing gets more elaborate, and there's data to save, 
> I'll move carefully.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Charles
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From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 27 23:05:03 2005
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:05:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [ANN] Beta Release for penToolv032d
In-Reply-To: <20050728022142.D24D8824E07@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20050728030503.72054.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Developers,

Thanks a lot for sending your comments about
this beta version of "penToolv32d"!

> When you change from a tool (like the "Edit
Selection 
> tool", the "Add-point tool", the "Delete-point tool"

> and the "Convert-point tool") to any other tool,
this 
> "selected state" do not change. The graphic still 
> shows all the vertex, control points and handles. 
> These points should dissapear.

You are right, these vertex, control points and
handles
should "disappear" or "retract". 
i'm going to use a custom property
in the palette or the graphic to recognize and
change his state when the user change tools.

> How did i change the shape of a graphic?

1- Choose the "Edit Selection tool" in the palette
"penTool" and click on the graphic. 
A blue line with vertex, control points 
and handles appears around the graphic.

2- Move the vertex and control points to reshape
the graphic.

3- When you finish editing the graphic,
double click on the border of the blue graphic,
and the graphic redraws itself with the new shape
that you had edited.

In other tools, the graphics redraws itself as
soon as the user left the mouse button.
They are triggering the redraw action using 
a mouseup message. 

i choose to use a mousedoubleup message to
add some fancy options like create a duplicate
of the object. At last moment, this option produced
some problems, but later i'll add this functionality.

> When you use the "Edit Selection tool", a blue
> graphic appears in the border of selected graphic.
> How could i change this colour to another?

To change this color, you had to edit the script of
the
"Edit Selection tool". It's hardwired there, but there
are plans to add a preference to change this color at
will or the script choose a color with contrast to
the border color. Wait for this in a next release

> You are using two different ways to show the vertex,
> controls and handlers in the graphic. Could you
> settle for one of them?

Yes, eventually, i will use only one method to show
and manipulate the vertex, control points and handles.

When testing for the tools: "add-point", 
"delete-point" and "convert-point" is finished
then i'll select the method of the "Edit selection 
tool".

> Could you add textures to the color palette?

Eventually, yes. ;-)

> What are your plans for this tool?

After finished this beta, i'll add text and image 
support for the export and import stack.

> Did you accept colaborations to finish this stack?

Sure! Malte Brill offered help and i told him to check

the code for importing Adobe ilustrator files.
After checking his work with the arcade engine, i
think
that he could help with the "Star tool", adding a lot 
of different shapes. 

i hope to convert this "PenTool" project in a
collaborative effort. We just have to wait until 
experienced developers find the time to help. 
i really want to see that this collaboration happen 
anytime. It's an invaluable opportunity to learn from 
my mistakes and from their wise code. :-)
 
Thanks a lot for your time to test this tool!
Keep sending your comments to my e-mail,
Have a nice day!

al








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From jhurley at infostations.com  Wed Jul 27 23:05:45 2005
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:05:45 -0700
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 22, Issue 125
In-Reply-To: <20050728022142.D24D8824E07@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050728022142.D24D8824E07@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p06200700bf0df89e381c@[69.85.136.71]>

>
>Message: 2
>Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:01:03 -0700
>From: Mark Swindell <mdswindell at charter.net>
>Subject: Crossword Generator
>To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>Message-ID: <2397B171-9EC6-40CF-906F-3DC0EEF83688 at charter.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
>Has anyone made a crossword generator in Rev?  URL?
>
>Thanks
>Mark

Mark,

I believe Mark Wieder is working on one. I would love to see this. 
Sounds difficult--and possibly fun.

Not only do you need a big dictionary, but a clue to go with each 
word. Or, I guess the clues could be constructed ex post facto.

Jim




From jhurley at infostations.com  Wed Jul 27 23:05:46 2005
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:05:46 -0700
Subject: *ping* Jim Hurley
Message-ID: <p06200701bf0df99b7368@[69.85.136.71]>


>
>Message: 7
>Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 00:48:20 +0200
>From: Malte Brill <revolution at derbrill.de>
>Subject: *ping* Jim Hurley
>To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>Message-ID: <87AC2A30-FEF0-11D9-A73D-0030659A795C at derbrill.de>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
>Sorry to bring this on list...
>
>Jim, did you receive my last 2 off-list mails? I fear spam filtering
>again.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Malte


Malte,

Tough question to answer; what were the last two messages?

I also have trouble responding to the speaker when he begins his 
speech by asking if *everyone* can hear him. Some egotist always 
responds: "Yes."

Seriously, I did get a message a while back--7/21/05. It had a script 
which contained a "setProp" handler. I was too embarrassed to reply 
that I had no idea how to handle a setProp handler.

And here I am confessing to the list.

Jim


From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Wed Jul 27 23:15:27 2005
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:15:27 -0700
Subject: request for script or stack
In-Reply-To: <FB40B08D-3C68-45C3-B526-1380361DB64B@genesearch.com.au>
References: <p06200701bf0dc91adf09@[10.0.1.2]>
	<FB40B08D-3C68-45C3-B526-1380361DB64B@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <p06200702bf0df74eb365@[10.0.1.2]>

Thanks a bunch, Sarah,

I haven't had time to study your script yet. I'm just leaving the 
office, I'll look more carefully tomorrow. But it looks like a big 
improvement on what I've been doing.

At first glance, it looks like it won't recognize when it's 
repeatedly cycling through the same page if there are multiple hits 
on the same page. If it doesn't, I'd like to add that feature, but 
it's a pain in the neck for me to script it. It might be a piece of 
cake for someone else.

If I put find whole in the message box, as in

find whole "Bush, Laura"

I wonder if Rev will consistently search whole as long as I keep 
hitting the return key. HyperCard wouldn't. Okay, it's a stupid 
question, I can find out by trial and error. I hope it does. I'll try 
it tomorrow.

Regarding the "find and replace" window, I have tried several times 
to stop a search with a command-period. It just plain won't stop. 
(Clicking on the glowing red close button at the upper left won't 
stop it either, even though the little X appears when the mouse is 
over it.)

I've noticed other situations in other stacks where command-period 
should stop a script, but it doesn't.

For instance, a command-period won't interrupt a script if an answer 
dialog box is on the screen. It seems like it should. I was getting 
ready to report this to Rev as a bug or an enhancement request. Maybe 
it normally does work that way. I thought it was a Rev feature, or 
maybe a Rev deficiency. Maybe it's another anomaly.

I don't think there's anything in my stacks that would intercept a 
command-period. I'll check again, but I haven't set the cantabort 
property to true in any of my stacks, or the allowInterrupts property 
to false.

I just checked several of my stacks and Rev's "find and replace" 
window. (Is it a stack? Is that why it's so slow?) allowinterrupts is 
true. It's true in all my other stacks, also. Most or all of my 
stacks act as if it is set to false. Meanwhile Rev won't recognize 
the cantAbort property if I try to get it in the msg box. Not sure 
why.

Life just seems to get complicateder and complicateder. All part of 
the fun, I guess.

Thanks again. I'll be interested to read any comments you might have. 
Other script ideas for easier finding are welcome, also.

Cheers,


Tim



>Hi Tim,
>
>>I'm sorry to whine, but I really miss my hyperCard command-F. The 
>>cursor was positioned in the message box to type my search term, 
>>between quotation marks, and away I went. Hit the return key for 
>>the next hit if I don't like the item I just found. Hit the return 
>>key as many times as I want.
>>
>>It worked about the same as typing
>>
>>find "confabulation"
>>
>>in Rev's message box. I think Rev is somewhat slower, but I can 
>>live with that. What I don't like is having to type the whole 
>>darned find command, including the quotation marks.
>
>Here is a script to do it:
>
>  go to cd "Single Line" of stack "Message Box"
>  put "find " & quote & quote into fld "Message Field" \
>    of cd "Single Line" of stack "Message Box"
>  put " select char 7 to 6 of fld " & quote & "Message Field" \
>    & quote & " of cd " & quote & "Single Line" & quote & " of stack " \
>    & quote & "Message Box" & quote into tCmd
>  send tCmd to me in 2 ticks
>
>It doesn't set the hilite in the correct button at the top of the 
>message box & it doesn't set the title, but it gets you to the 
>single line entry, puts in the find and selects between the quotes.
>
>The delay in selecting is required because the message box remembers 
>your last selectedChunk and puts that back, so I have to wait until 
>that has happened before over-riding it.
>
>On my web page <http://www.troz.net/Rev/>, you will find a plugin 
>called "FunKey" that allows you to allocate script snippets to 
>certain function keys. You may find that if you attach this script 
>to a function key, you have exactly what you want :-)
>
>>
>>Rev's command-F find window remains much slower than the Find 
>>command in the message box, even if both searches are restricted to 
>>the same stack and to field text only. I can't imagine why. I just 
>>tested it. I searched for "Gloria" in a fairly bulky stack that 
>>contains a lot of names. Typing find "gloria" in the message box 
>>found four instances almost instantly.
>>
>>Then I tried find "gloria" with Rev's command-F "Find and Replace" 
>>window. I clicked "field text" only, I chose "this stack" only, and 
>>I checked "obey dontsearch properties." It was at least 1000 times 
>>slower, maybe 5000 times slower, or more. And, in 2.6.1, it's still 
>>not possible to abort a search in this window once you start one. 
>>If you accidentally start the wrong search, you could grow a beard 
>>before it was done searching.
>It is just a script, so it can be stopped by Command-period, or 
>whatever you usually use to stop a script.
>
>Cheers,
>Sarah
>
>***************************
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>sarah at troz.net
>http://www.troz.net/Rev/
>***************************
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From jhj at jhj.com  Wed Jul 27 23:15:31 2005
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry J)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:15:31 -0700
Subject: ANN: Updates on MonsieurX
In-Reply-To: <20050727211842.E9E78824DC2@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050727211842.E9E78824DC2@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3bd40283830586efa33906730af581c6@jhj.com>

Hello, MisterX,

Here we go again. NO2 is Nitrogen Dioxide, a major contributor to 
photochemical smog (like in LA). See:
http://www.temis.nl/products/no2.html
for example.

Nitromethane, as in dragster fuel, is CH3NO2, all one molecule. NO2 as 
a molecule, without the methane radical, is just smog food.

How did I get to be the local chemist? Maybe I lived in LA too long.
Cheer to all,
Jerry Jensen

> From: "MisterX" <b.xavier at internet.lu>
> Subject: RE: ANN: Updates on MonsieurX
>
> i know! ;)
>
> Everyone tought i had dentist anesthaetic laughin gas
> when i really had an explosive mix of productivity
> boosting tools ;)
>
> cheeriup!
> Xav
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> Mark Wieder
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 19:32
>>
>> MisterX-
>>
>> Tuesday, July 26, 2005, 10:05:23 PM, you wrote:
>>
>> M> Note: Most of the plugins were renamed from N2O to NO2 The proper
>> M> molecule in nitro-methane... not nitrous oxide...
>>
>> ROTFL. That *does* put things in a whole different light...



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jul 27 23:34:36 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:34:36 -0500
Subject: OS9 engine or player?
In-Reply-To: <EA43F41F-C8AF-4F08-BE52-C3D2D07B90E6@pandora.be>
References: <EA43F41F-C8AF-4F08-BE52-C3D2D07B90E6@pandora.be>
Message-ID: <42E8524C.6090907@hyperactivesw.com>

Ton Kuypers wrote:
> I have a problem dowloading the Mac OS9 engine...
> Can anyone supply me this (as soon as possible, I have an  installation 
> within 5 hours...) or tell me where to download the OS9  player...
> 
> Also, where do I put the engine... I've found one (MacOSfat.dir) and  
> put it into the components/engines folder, but no luck...


My boilerplate reply (this comes up a lot):

If necessary, you can manually download the various engine files from 
the Runtime site. The standalone builder cannot use the Mac OS engines 
without some additional decompression first.

The Mac FAT engine is called "MacOSfat.dir.gz".
The OS X engine is called "Revolution.app.dir.gz"

The engines can be downloaded from:

ftp://ftp.runrev.com/pub/revolution/downloads/engines/

As of this writing, the last available OS 9 engine is version 2.5.

The ".dir.gz" extension is a special compression technique used to 
preserve the resource fork. Place the downloaded file on your computer 
in the same folder as the Revolution application. Then launch Revolution 
and type into the message box:

revDecompress "Revolution.app.dir.gz",defaultfolder

This will decompress the Mac OS engine into the default folder and give 
you a useable engine file. You can then move this file to the 
"components/engines" directory where you should be able to build the 
standalone.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Wed Jul 27 23:41:10 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:41:10 +1000
Subject: request for script or stack
In-Reply-To: <p06200702bf0df74eb365@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <p06200701bf0dc91adf09@[10.0.1.2]>
	<FB40B08D-3C68-45C3-B526-1380361DB64B@genesearch.com.au>
	<p06200702bf0df74eb365@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <67D10B02-FC9E-49CE-BA7D-F574CECFD78A@genesearch.com.au>

> Regarding the "find and replace" window, I have tried several times  
> to stop a search with a command-period. It just plain won't stop.  
> (Clicking on the glowing red close button at the upper left won't  
> stop it either, even though the little X appears when the mouse is  
> over it.)
>

I tested it here (Mac OS X 10.4.2 if that matters) with Rev 2.6 and  
it worked fine. I had to set it searching a vast number of stacks  
before I could get to the keys fast enough, but I made it in the end  
and was able to interrupt it. It then gave me the list of items it  
had found so far.

The "Find" button in the Find & replace window specifically sets the  
allowInterrupts to false which is weird, especially as the comment  
above one of the lines setting it to false says "  --allow user  
interruption".

You may like to edit this so that you can interrupt it, although as I  
said, it works for me.

Cheers,
Sarah



From b.xavier at internet.lu  Wed Jul 27 23:51:31 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 05:51:31 +0200
Subject: ANN: Updates on MonsieurX
In-Reply-To: <3bd40283830586efa33906730af581c6@jhj.com>
Message-ID: <20050728034038.F1794824DE3@mail.runrev.com>

Jerry

well, N2O was not right and CH3NO2 is too long so im doing it like
the NOs bottles... But i had to correct it... N2O was just to hard
to type each time ;)

The goal is to go nitrous, hence faster, not higher or smoggier! ;)

cheers
Xavier

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jerry J
> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 05:16
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: RE: ANN: Updates on MonsieurX
> 
> Hello, MisterX,
> 
> Here we go again. NO2 is Nitrogen Dioxide, a major 
> contributor to photochemical smog (like in LA). See:
> http://www.temis.nl/products/no2.html
> for example.
> 
> Nitromethane, as in dragster fuel, is CH3NO2, all one 
> molecule. NO2 as a molecule, without the methane radical, is 
> just smog food.
> 
> How did I get to be the local chemist? Maybe I lived in LA too long.
> Cheer to all,
> Jerry Jensen
> 
> > From: "MisterX" <b.xavier at internet.lu>
> > Subject: RE: ANN: Updates on MonsieurX
> >
> > i know! ;)
> >
> > Everyone tought i had dentist anesthaetic laughin gas when i really 
> > had an explosive mix of productivity boosting tools ;)
> >
> > cheeriup!
> > Xav
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> Mark Wieder
> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 19:32
> >>
> >> MisterX-
> >>
> >> Tuesday, July 26, 2005, 10:05:23 PM, you wrote:
> >>
> >> M> Note: Most of the plugins were renamed from N2O to NO2 
> The proper 
> >> M> molecule in nitro-methane... not nitrous oxide...
> >>
> >> ROTFL. That *does* put things in a whole different light...
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jul 27 23:51:05 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:51:05 -0500
Subject: request for script or stack
In-Reply-To: <p06200701bf0dc91adf09@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <p06200701bf0dc91adf09@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <42E85629.7010309@hyperactivesw.com>

Timothy Miller wrote:

> Sooooo... I'd like to have a script that would start with maybe just a 
> click on a button or a keystroke. It might give me my choice of find 
> whole, find word, find string, or something like that. It would position 
> the cursor in the suitable field, I wouldn't have to type quotation 
> marks. It would search as fast as the find command typed into Rev's 
> message box, or in a script. I could hit the return key (or maybe a 
> button) repeatedly until I found the item  I was looking for. AND, the 
> find function wouldn't get "stuck" on one page if there were multiple 
> hits on the same page.

Not a script, and not exactly what you are looking for, but there's a 
semi-built-in way to most of it.

Type the "find" expression once into the message box. You can use "find 
whole" or plain "find" or whatever. Then just keep hitting the return 
key. This won't restrict the find to one per card, but then neither did 
HyperCard's. This works until a "find" changes cards.

When that happens the focus will change to the stack. You'll have to 
click in the message box again or type Cmd-M to regain focus so you can 
trigger the next instance. I usually keep my left hand on the Cmd-M keys 
and hit return with my right.

It isn't as handy as HyperCard's, but you don't have to do all that 
repeat typing.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jul 27 23:59:43 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:59:43 -0500
Subject: Workaround request - textcolor property in a field in a group
In-Reply-To: <1c2.2d70ba65.30196f9b@aol.com>
References: <1c2.2d70ba65.30196f9b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <42E8582F.6040106@hyperactivesw.com>

Cubist at aol.com wrote:
> sez davis.phil at comcast.net:
> 
>>Grasping at straws here, but maybe it'll awaken something in your brain:
>>Does the text of field "AA" contain CRs (which define lines), or does it
>>just look like multiple lines, 'soft' wrapping and and flowing without
>>having any CRs in it? If the latter, that would explain why you can't 
>>select a chunk in line 2.
> 
>    A possibly useful hint: Try setting the firstIndent of the field to 75. 
> However-many *real* lines of text you have in the field, each of those lines 
> will magically acquire an inch-or-so of whitespace at its beginning.

This is one of those things I wish I'd thought of. Very nice. It never 
occured to me.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jul 28 00:08:36 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:08:36 -0700
Subject: OS9 engine or player?
In-Reply-To: <42E8524C.6090907@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <EA43F41F-C8AF-4F08-BE52-C3D2D07B90E6@pandora.be>
	<42E8524C.6090907@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <42E85A44.5070701@fourthworld.com>

If this is common enough to warrant a boilerplate could it be added to 
the FAQ on RunRev's Support page?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


J. Landman Gay wrote:
> My boilerplate reply (this comes up a lot):
> 
> If necessary, you can manually download the various engine files from 
> the Runtime site. The standalone builder cannot use the Mac OS engines 
> without some additional decompression first.
> 
> The Mac FAT engine is called "MacOSfat.dir.gz".
> The OS X engine is called "Revolution.app.dir.gz"
> 
> The engines can be downloaded from:
> 
> ftp://ftp.runrev.com/pub/revolution/downloads/engines/
> 
> As of this writing, the last available OS 9 engine is version 2.5.
> 
> The ".dir.gz" extension is a special compression technique used to 
> preserve the resource fork. Place the downloaded file on your computer 
> in the same folder as the Revolution application. Then launch Revolution 
> and type into the message box:
> 
> revDecompress "Revolution.app.dir.gz",defaultfolder
> 
> This will decompress the Mac OS engine into the default folder and give 
> you a useable engine file. You can then move this file to the 
> "components/engines" directory where you should be able to build the 
> standalone.
> 



From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Thu Jul 28 00:15:56 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 00:15:56 -0400
Subject: Workaround request - textcolor property in a field in a group
In-Reply-To: <42E8582F.6040106@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <1c2.2d70ba65.30196f9b@aol.com>
	<42E8582F.6040106@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <df1624d6e9d3db3d019c5b124f615d97@adelphia.net>

You could just set the dontWrap of field "AA" to true    or    select 
field "AA" and highlight dontWrap in the property inspector.

That will show you how many 'real' lines you have.

Tom McGrath

On Jul 27, 2005, at 11:59 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Cubist at aol.com wrote:
>> sez davis.phil at comcast.net:
>>> Grasping at straws here, but maybe it'll awaken something in your 
>>> brain:
>>> Does the text of field "AA" contain CRs (which define lines), or 
>>> does it
>>> just look like multiple lines, 'soft' wrapping and and flowing 
>>> without
>>> having any CRs in it? If the latter, that would explain why you 
>>> can't select a chunk in line 2.
>>    A possibly useful hint: Try setting the firstIndent of the field 
>> to 75. However-many *real* lines of text you have in the field, each 
>> of those lines will magically acquire an inch-or-so of whitespace at 
>> its beginning.
>
> This is one of those things I wish I'd thought of. Very nice. It never 
> occured to me.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jul 28 00:29:45 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:29:45 -0500
Subject: OS9 engine or player?
In-Reply-To: <42E85A44.5070701@fourthworld.com>
References: <EA43F41F-C8AF-4F08-BE52-C3D2D07B90E6@pandora.be>	<42E8524C.6090907@hyperactivesw.com>
	<42E85A44.5070701@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <42E85F39.9040609@hyperactivesw.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> If this is common enough to warrant a boilerplate could it be added to 
> the FAQ on RunRev's Support page?
> 

Probably not. It has only started coming up in the support queue since 
the OS 9 engine became unavailable as of Rev 2.6. As soon as that gets 
built, I suspect the question will go away again.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Jul 28 00:55:38 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:55:38 -0700
Subject: Crossword Generator
In-Reply-To: <2397B171-9EC6-40CF-906F-3DC0EEF83688@charter.net>
References: <2397B171-9EC6-40CF-906F-3DC0EEF83688@charter.net>
Message-ID: <3942492420.20050727215538@ahsoftware.net>

Mark-

Wednesday, July 27, 2005, 3:01:03 PM, you wrote:

MS> Has anyone made a crossword generator in Rev?  URL?

What have you got in mind? My work in progress is up in revonline now
in games, but it's most definitely not ready for release (no printing,
no docs, etc). It does allow you to generate crosswords, though.

If you're looking to something more automatic in the way of look-ahead
word generation, I haven't thought out the logic involved, so if
anyone wants to fiddle with it, do feel free and let me know what you
come up with.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Jul 28 04:53:12 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:53:12 +0100
Subject: Mac->Win revisited
In-Reply-To: <f63f36ffdb4aa5b18993fc95d7c8469c@adelphia.net>
References: <2049439D-1964-472A-B169-6AA16D7F7BF3@conncoll.edu>	<42E7E0A8.5000103@tweedly.net>	<E0A82A13-A170-4C96-9AC8-151A74EB8943@conncoll.edu>	<42E7F37F.8020204@tweedly.net>	<3FCD2794-D25F-437E-A7CC-5AA70E526AC9@conncoll.edu>
	<f63f36ffdb4aa5b18993fc95d7c8469c@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <42E89CF8.2020803@tweedly.net>

Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> Pardon me chiming in here.
>
> When using things like players and speech etc. it is our 
> responsibility to close them ourselves in our code when and if for any 
> reason our program is to quit. So I would put a piece of script in a 
> on closeStack that takes care of the player when closing.
>
Quite right - except that the context here is that the "Player" that 
Charles was referring to is the Dreamcard Player, which he's using to 
run the stacks.

> This is because players and speech use libraries and/or QT etc. to 
> work and like a serial port that is opened it must be closed or 
> problems may occur. This is good coding practice.
>
> Maybe you can have in each stack an on closeStack that checks if all 
> three (+-) stacks are closed and 'then' closes the player only if all 
> are closed.
>
We do indeed need to do that with audio, video etc. players - but I 
don't think it's possible for a stack to close the DC Player in a 
controlled way, and arguably it shouldn't need to.

If you double-click a stack icon to run it, when the stack closes 'it' 
should disappear completely  (i.e. taking the player away with it). 
Otherwise, there's no way to provide a transparent experience for the 
user - she shouldn't need to know whether the software I've distributed 
to her is an application in its own right, or uses some player mechanism 
to run.

-- 
Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net



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From bill at igame3d.com  Thu Jul 28 05:55:30 2005
From: bill at igame3d.com (William Griffin)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 05:55:30 -0400
Subject: iGame3D 3D Games in Rev, etc
In-Reply-To: <20050728022142.D24D8824E07@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050728022142.D24D8824E07@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <8c9209be44cda6e39f41f8062e6c3e6e@igame3d.com>

I've come out of my cave to ponder the meaning of life.
You can see my sermon with pictures of what life is for me at 
iDevgames.com
http://www.idevgames.com/forum/showthread.php?p=93440#post93440

There you will also find for your Mac OS X 10.3-ish computer running
above 400 Mhz with a G4 or more, a download of iGame3D  as it stands to 
date,
minus some limbs, or tentacles. With important install procedure.

The engine has been tested in Windows, on Monday, but i don't have a 
build of that, and testing was only to the extent as possible with all 
the current UI bugs.

iGame3D won first place prizes in uDevGames 2004 followed by the 21 
Days Later:Accelerator contest in February, so even our limping 
stitched together Frankenstein has taken home more than one trophy in 
the minor leagues of game making.
Root for the home team!

Time for this project is severally mutilated yes thats the right word, 
to graphically illustrate imagine a clock attached to a squirrel trying 
to cross a busy highway trucking lane. Maybe i should demonstrate in 
iGame3D...or maybe not.

We could use some help with this project, else it could be another year 
of user interface and engine revolutions before there is even another 
beta.

I think what we could use right now is someone to help finish the 
documentation
and publish the external, as is, before it mutates further.  Will the 
software publisher please stand up.

In the event some university power wielders happen to be in the 
audience, I'd like to mention that Tobi and I could use scholarships 
from any schools that need an in house 3D rev solution with unlimited 
licenses for life.

At the least we can use some feedback, we've been underground long 
enough.

Well thats the state of 3D and Revolution from my side of the cannon 
walls.

William Griffin
Team iGame3D



From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Thu Jul 28 07:32:26 2005
From: FlexibleLearning at aol.com (FlexibleLearning at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:32:26 EDT
Subject: [ANN] Scripter's Scrapbook 5.02 upgrade
Message-ID: <194.43ae4625.301a1c4a@aol.com>

The Scripter's Scrapbook v5.02 upgrade
 
The Scripter's Scrapbook has been upgraded to version 5.02. There are a few  
'under the hood' improvements, but the main reason for the release is to  
incorporate changes made to ssBkChat.

- Existing Users should update from the Help menu. The update will be  
located in a 'new version' folder for you. (Version 5 Users will find that all  
their existing Entries, settings, preferences and personal plugins will be  
automatically transfered for them.)
 
- New Users can obtain their start-up kit Scripter's Scrapbook from the  
address below and, on launch, check for upgrades.

As already announced, the new ssBkChat v1.02 will now work  independently of 
the Scrapbook as a Revolution plugIn. If you are already using  ssBk with 
Revolution, you get choices! Put an extra copy of the new ssBkChat in  the 
revolution plugIns folder and you get access to the free service from  within both 
programs. ssBkChat is a great place for developers to solve problems  in real 
time (just bring the beer!).
 
TIP:
You can click to shrink the window down to a postage stamp (like the  
'suspend development tools' option in Rev) and move it out of the way with a  running 
count of missed messages.


/H
The Scripter's  Scrapbook
www.FlexibleLearning.com/ssbk.htm
 


From jbondy at sover.net  Thu Jul 28 08:18:04 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:18:04 -0400
Subject: Mac->Win revisited
In-Reply-To: <f63f36ffdb4aa5b18993fc95d7c8469c@adelphia.net>
References: <2049439D-1964-472A-B169-6AA16D7F7BF3@conncoll.edu>	<42E7E0A8.5000103@tweedly.net>	<E0A82A13-A170-4C96-9AC8-151A74EB8943@conncoll.edu>	<42E7F37F.8020204@tweedly.net>	<3FCD2794-D25F-437E-A7CC-5AA70E526AC9@conncoll.edu>
	<f63f36ffdb4aa5b18993fc95d7c8469c@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <42E8CCFC.1020201@sover.net>

Perhaps we should have a feature request that always does this 
automatically for everyone?  All of this kind of stuff is taken care of 
automatically in the other IDEs I use...

:)

Jon


Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> Pardon me chiming in here.
>
> When using things like players and speech etc. it is our 
> responsibility to close them ourselves in our code when and if for any 
> reason our program is to quit. So I would put a piece of script in a 
> on closeStack that takes care of the player when closing.
>
> This is because players and speech use libraries and/or QT etc. to 
> work and like a serial port that is opened it must be closed or 
> problems may occur. This is good coding practice.
>
> Maybe you can have in each stack an on closeStack that checks if all 
> three (+-) stacks are closed and 'then' closes the player only if all 
> are closed.
>
> HTH
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom
>
> On Jul 27, 2005, at 6:23 PM, Charles Hartman wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jul 27, 2005, at 4:50 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
>>
>>> Yes it does work, exactly as I and other Windows users would expect 
>>> it to work.  It closes the app (or window) in whose title bar you 
>>> are at the time (or which has focus when you do Alt-F4). That's what 
>>> Windows *always* does.
>>
>>
>> Yes, I understand that. The problem is that after you close all (up 
>> to) three stacks in my app, you think you've quit the Player; but you 
>> haven't.
>>
>> I've tried out the Quit (with just an OK or Cancel), and it seems to 
>> work. If this thing gets more elaborate, and there's data to save, 
>> I'll move carefully.
>>
>> Thanks again.
>>
>> Charles
>>
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> 2.6
>
>
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From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Thu Jul 28 08:39:17 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:39:17 -0400
Subject: Mac->Win revisited
In-Reply-To: <42E89CF8.2020803@tweedly.net>
References: <2049439D-1964-472A-B169-6AA16D7F7BF3@conncoll.edu>	<42E7E0A8.5000103@tweedly.net>	<E0A82A13-A170-4C96-9AC8-151A74EB8943@conncoll.edu>	<42E7F37F.8020204@tweedly.net>	<3FCD2794-D25F-437E-A7CC-5AA70E526AC9@conncoll.edu>
	<f63f36ffdb4aa5b18993fc95d7c8469c@adelphia.net>
	<42E89CF8.2020803@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <6E5B6ED7-B30E-49FC-8DCF-A73EE9B3F9EB@conncoll.edu>


On Jul 28, 2005, at 4:53 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>
>
>> Pardon me chiming in here.
>>
>> When using things like players and speech etc. it is our  
>> responsibility to close them ourselves in our code when and if for  
>> any reason our program is to quit. So I would put a piece of  
>> script in a on closeStack that takes care of the player when closing.
>>
>>
> Quite right - except that the context here is that the "Player"  
> that Charles was referring to is the Dreamcard Player, which he's  
> using to run the stacks.
>
>
>> This is because players and speech use libraries and/or QT etc. to  
>> work and like a serial port that is opened it must be closed or  
>> problems may occur. This is good coding practice.
>>
>> Maybe you can have in each stack an on closeStack that checks if  
>> all three (+-) stacks are closed and 'then' closes the player only  
>> if all are closed.
>>
>>
> We do indeed need to do that with audio, video etc. players - but I  
> don't think it's possible for a stack to close the DC Player in a  
> controlled way, and arguably it shouldn't need to.
>
> If you double-click a stack icon to run it, when the stack closes  
> 'it' should disappear completely (i.e. taking the player away with  
> it). Otherwise, there's no way to provide a transparent experience  
> for the user - she shouldn't need to know whether the software I've  
> distributed to her is an application in its own right, or uses some  
> player mechanism to run.

Thanks to both. It's true that I forgot the possibility that my user  
will close stack-windows _without_ pressing my nice new Quit button.  
I should trap onClose messages in some logical order which will  
depend on the design of my app.

Charles




From jspencer78 at mac.com  Thu Jul 28 08:37:51 2005
From: jspencer78 at mac.com (James Spencer)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:37:51 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Scripter's Scrapbook 5.02 upgrade
In-Reply-To: <194.43ae4625.301a1c4a@aol.com>
References: <194.43ae4625.301a1c4a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <901C3D08-9845-4C91-A53F-9703A24B130E@mac.com>


On Jul 28, 2005, at 6:32 AM, FlexibleLearning at aol.com wrote:

> - Existing Users should update from the Help menu. The update will be
> located in a 'new version' folder for you. (Version 5 Users will  
> find that all
> their existing Entries, settings, preferences and personal plugins  
> will be
> automatically transfered for them.)

Except it reports no new version from 5.01 so doesn't do the download.

James P. Spencer
Rochester, MN

jspencer78 at charter.net

"Badges??  We don't need no stinkin badges!"



From tkuypers at pandora.be  Thu Jul 28 08:58:41 2005
From: tkuypers at pandora.be (Ton Kuypers)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:58:41 +0200
Subject: Urgent (desperate) cry for help...
Message-ID: <A6038E1E-F109-457E-801C-248A3CF4C10C@pandora.be>

I know I'm doing something wrong, there has to be a better way, but I  
just can't figure out what I'm doing wrong...

Situation:
- mySQL 4.1 running on a windows server
- RR 2.6 OSX & Windows XP
- Clients need to be Mac OS9, Mac OS-X and Windows XP

I started development on the OS-X. Data in a field on a card needs to  
be stored in the database.
No problem there for regular text, but when entering text with  
special chars in, it's a no-go... The word "Co?rdinator" appears in  
the database as "Co".

In a clever moment (at least that's what I thought), very early in  
the project, I implemented the URLencode and URLdecode functions to  
get rid of this pesky little problem.

Then D-Day arrived: We had to install at the client the first beat- 
version of the program, to start testing.

First the OS-X Macs: Works like a charm.
Then the Windows machines... No way of getting the data in the  
correct way out of the database!

URLencode("Co?rdinator") on OSX stores "Co%9Ardinator" in the database
URLencode("Co?rdinator") on Windows stores "Co%F6rdinator" in the  
database
URLdecode of the Mac-encoded data on the PC obviously returns the  
wrong data :-((

The tables in mySQL are set to accept UTF-8, when I enter the text  
manually there is no problem with special chars, so it is RR needing  
something special.

Anyone, HELP, PLEASE!!!!

- Waht is the best way to communicate with mySQL?
- Why is the URLencode different on both platforms WITHOUT ANY  
NOTIFICATION IN THE MANUAL?
- And of course: What is the proper way to enter and retrieve data in  
and out a mySQL?

The URLencode/decode stuff shocked me, the main problem must be  
something stupid...

Many thanks in advance,


Ton Kuypers
Digital Media Partners bvba
Tel. +32 (0)477 / 739 530
Fax +32 (0)14 / 71 03 04
http://www.dmp-int.com





From xbury.cs at clearstream.com  Thu Jul 28 09:07:05 2005
From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:07:05 +0200
Subject: Urgent (desperate) cry for help...
In-Reply-To: <A6038E1E-F109-457E-801C-248A3CF4C10C@pandora.be>
Message-ID: <OFE876EA1E.D497F9D9-ONC125704C.0047E29B-C125704C.0047F4B1@deutsche-boerse.com>

according to my version here in Win2003 (like XP), i also get 

URLencode("Co?rdinator")=Co%F6rdinator

so i would assume the problem to be with the urlencode function or the way
windows and mac differ on that kind of translation... 

Oh yes... macs and pcs dont encode ? as the same ASCII so it must be 
perfectly normal....

sorry for the bad news...
---------------------=---------------------
Xavier Bury

use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 28/07/2005 14:58:41:

> I know I'm doing something wrong, there has to be a better way, but I 
> just can't figure out what I'm doing wrong...
> 
> Situation:
> - mySQL 4.1 running on a windows server
> - RR 2.6 OSX & Windows XP
> - Clients need to be Mac OS9, Mac OS-X and Windows XP
> 
> I started development on the OS-X. Data in a field on a card needs to 
> be stored in the database.
> No problem there for regular text, but when entering text with 
> special chars in, it's a no-go... The word "Co?rdinator" appears in 
> the database as "Co".
> 
> In a clever moment (at least that's what I thought), very early in 
> the project, I implemented the URLencode and URLdecode functions to 
> get rid of this pesky little problem.
> 
> Then D-Day arrived: We had to install at the client the first beat- 
> version of the program, to start testing.
> 
> First the OS-X Macs: Works like a charm.
> Then the Windows machines... No way of getting the data in the 
> correct way out of the database!
> 
> URLencode("Co?rdinator") on OSX stores "Co%9Ardinator" in the database
> URLencode("Co?rdinator") on Windows stores "Co%F6rdinator" in the 
> database
> URLdecode of the Mac-encoded data on the PC obviously returns the 
> wrong data :-((
> 
> The tables in mySQL are set to accept UTF-8, when I enter the text 
> manually there is no problem with special chars, so it is RR needing 
> something special.
> 
> Anyone, HELP, PLEASE!!!!
> 
> - Waht is the best way to communicate with mySQL?
> - Why is the URLencode different on both platforms WITHOUT ANY 
> NOTIFICATION IN THE MANUAL?
> - And of course: What is the proper way to enter and retrieve data in 
> and out a mySQL?
> 
> The URLencode/decode stuff shocked me, the main problem must be 
> something stupid...
> 
> Many thanks in advance,
> 
> 
> Ton Kuypers
> Digital Media Partners bvba
> Tel. +32 (0)477 / 739 530
> Fax +32 (0)14 / 71 03 04
> http://www.dmp-int.com
> 
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Jul 28 09:14:19 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:14:19 +0200
Subject: Urgent (desperate) cry for help...
In-Reply-To: <A6038E1E-F109-457E-801C-248A3CF4C10C@pandora.be>
References: <A6038E1E-F109-457E-801C-248A3CF4C10C@pandora.be>
Message-ID: <56D75592-E004-486C-AD20-4E2D2A886C54@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Ton,

Your problem seems to come from the fact you entered the data on a  
Mac and then it works correctly on a Mac :-)
When you go to Windows you have to translate ASCII values:

if the platform = "Win32" then put MacToIso(tData) into tData

Hope this helps.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

Le 28 juil. 05 ? 14:58, Ton Kuypers a ?crit :

> I know I'm doing something wrong, there has to be a better way, but  
> I just can't figure out what I'm doing wrong...
>
> Situation:
> - mySQL 4.1 running on a windows server
> - RR 2.6 OSX & Windows XP
> - Clients need to be Mac OS9, Mac OS-X and Windows XP
>
> I started development on the OS-X. Data in a field on a card needs  
> to be stored in the database.
> No problem there for regular text, but when entering text with  
> special chars in, it's a no-go... The word "Co?rdinator" appears in  
> the database as "Co".
>
> In a clever moment (at least that's what I thought), very early in  
> the project, I implemented the URLencode and URLdecode functions to  
> get rid of this pesky little problem.
>
> Then D-Day arrived: We had to install at the client the first beat- 
> version of the program, to start testing.
>
> First the OS-X Macs: Works like a charm.
> Then the Windows machines... No way of getting the data in the  
> correct way out of the database!
>
> URLencode("Co?rdinator") on OSX stores "Co%9Ardinator" in the database
> URLencode("Co?rdinator") on Windows stores "Co%F6rdinator" in the  
> database
> URLdecode of the Mac-encoded data on the PC obviously returns the  
> wrong data :-((
>
> The tables in mySQL are set to accept UTF-8, when I enter the text  
> manually there is no problem with special chars, so it is RR  
> needing something special.
>
> Anyone, HELP, PLEASE!!!!
>
> - Waht is the best way to communicate with mySQL?
> - Why is the URLencode different on both platforms WITHOUT ANY  
> NOTIFICATION IN THE MANUAL?
> - And of course: What is the proper way to enter and retrieve data  
> in and out a mySQL?
>
> The URLencode/decode stuff shocked me, the main problem must be  
> something stupid...
>
> Many thanks in advance,
>
>
> Ton Kuypers
> Digital Media Partners bvba
> Tel. +32 (0)477 / 739 530
> Fax +32 (0)14 / 71 03 04
> http://www.dmp-int.com
>
>
>
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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Thu Jul 28 09:30:44 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:30:44 -0400
Subject: Mac->Win revisited
In-Reply-To: <42E89CF8.2020803@tweedly.net>
References: <2049439D-1964-472A-B169-6AA16D7F7BF3@conncoll.edu>	<42E7E0A8.5000103@tweedly.net>	<E0A82A13-A170-4C96-9AC8-151A74EB8943@conncoll.edu>	<42E7F37F.8020204@tweedly.net>	<3FCD2794-D25F-437E-A7CC-5AA70E526AC9@conncoll.edu>
	<f63f36ffdb4aa5b18993fc95d7c8469c@adelphia.net>
	<42E89CF8.2020803@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <9bb9123c0d94509c172fc084e7e076f0@adelphia.net>

Alex,

Now that's confusing. ;-)

I always think of "Player" when I see "Player" and not "Player" as in 
Dreamcard "Player".

I will now have to pay a bit more attention to "Player" on the list.

Thanks,

Tom

On Jul 28, 2005, at 4:53 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> Quite right - except that the context here is that the "Player" that 
> Charles was referring to is the Dreamcard Player, which he's using to 
> run the stacks.





From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Thu Jul 28 09:43:00 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:43:00 -0400
Subject: Justify text in a field
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9744608@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>


>Do you mean the formattedrect of a single line?


Certainly - You can do formattedrect for any chunk of a field, be it
lines, characters, words, etc...

>if i remember well, Colin inserted spaces between
>words, and set the styles of words to extended and
>condensed, but i could not find his code now. :-(

This sounds like it would be designed not for centering, but for having
the line spread out evenly from right to left (I forget what that is
called). Is that what you need? The calculations would be a bit more
complex, but still quite doable.

>In scrolling fields this could take a while.
>Did you had some timings available for this
>technique? In this way i could know beforehand if
>it is user's friendly. 

Ah - you are not just talking about centering a single line, you are
talking about having all lines spread out evenly. The would get a bit
tricky. Once you did this, you would not really be able to properly type
in that field, without it doing weird stuff.
 
>This idea is fine and very precise,
>but what will happen if you had to 
>copy and paste this text elsewhere.

If you pasted it into another field in Rev, with the same settings and
dimensions, it should work fine. However, pasted somewhere else that was
not in Rev, or in a Rev field with different settings, it would be a
mess.

>You'll be carrying a lot of empty space 
>with the copied text, unless you perform
>some cleaning up in copied text. :-(

I think perhaps I was confused by what you mean by the word 'Justify' -
I think of that as a word to go with left, right, and center
justification. I just looked it up, and the evenly spread out type is
called 'double justification'. In html, you would do something like:
<div align="justify">blah blah blah</div> to give it double
justification.

I think, for what it sounds like you are doing, you really need
something like that. Unfortunately, Rev doesn't give that option - yet.

As long as a field is wide enough, and a given screen line contains
enough words, manipulating expanded and condensed characters should make
this possible - sounds kind of difficult to me.
		
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From subzero569 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 28 09:58:36 2005
From: subzero569 at gmail.com (subzero569)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:58:36 -0400
Subject: Updating Title Bar
Message-ID: <8f8651c105072806586974edeb@mail.gmail.com>

I have a program in rev that uses an external txt file for importing
some data to the program.  Is there a way to dynamically update the
title bar version number of my program without going into the title
property of the inspector?

Basically, I would like to include a revision number in the text file
and have this read into the title bar without having to recompile the
build everytime I have to just update the txt file.

Also, what happened to the google search for the archives?  It is very
frustrating not being able to search the archives.

TIA,

Josh
-- 
Inch by inch, life is a cinch.
Yard by yard, life is very hard.


From b.xavier at internet.lu  Thu Jul 28 10:02:31 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:02:31 +0200
Subject: Justify text in a field - THE SOLUTION!!!
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9744608@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <20050728135132.1CCF4824E8A@mail.runrev.com>

Actually IT IS POSSIBLE!!!

Jonathan flipped my mind switch back in gear ;)

Give a field's width w and the formattedwidth of the text in line l...
you might have to add each word's formattedwith (and get pissed off
at the definition of a word in rev) - then divide the difference by 
the number of words in the line and then insert "tiny" spaces in between
the words... This should do the trick...

By tiny spaces, i mean that they have to be small enough to
fit the line without over flowing it. so reducing their size 
should help... you can't simulate kerning or letter width scaling
but you can simulate variable word spacing...

hope that helps...
Xavier
http://monsieurx.com

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Lynch, Jonathan
> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 15:43
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: RE: Justify text in a field
> 
> 
> >Do you mean the formattedrect of a single line?
> 
> 
> Certainly - You can do formattedrect for any chunk of a 
> field, be it lines, characters, words, etc...
> 
> >if i remember well, Colin inserted spaces between words, and set the 
> >styles of words to extended and condensed, but i could not find his 
> >code now. :-(
> 
> This sounds like it would be designed not for centering, but 
> for having the line spread out evenly from right to left (I 
> forget what that is called). Is that what you need? The 
> calculations would be a bit more complex, but still quite doable.
> 
> >In scrolling fields this could take a while.
> >Did you had some timings available for this technique? In this way i 
> >could know beforehand if it is user's friendly.
> 
> Ah - you are not just talking about centering a single line, 
> you are talking about having all lines spread out evenly. The 
> would get a bit tricky. Once you did this, you would not 
> really be able to properly type in that field, without it 
> doing weird stuff.
>  
> >This idea is fine and very precise,
> >but what will happen if you had to
> >copy and paste this text elsewhere.
> 
> If you pasted it into another field in Rev, with the same 
> settings and dimensions, it should work fine. However, pasted 
> somewhere else that was not in Rev, or in a Rev field with 
> different settings, it would be a mess.
> 
> >You'll be carrying a lot of empty space with the copied text, unless 
> >you perform some cleaning up in copied text. :-(
> 
> I think perhaps I was confused by what you mean by the word 
> 'Justify' - I think of that as a word to go with left, right, 
> and center justification. I just looked it up, and the evenly 
> spread out type is called 'double justification'. In html, 
> you would do something like:
> <div align="justify">blah blah blah</div> to give it double 
> justification.
> 
> I think, for what it sounds like you are doing, you really 
> need something like that. Unfortunately, Rev doesn't give 
> that option - yet.
> 
> As long as a field is wide enough, and a given screen line 
> contains enough words, manipulating expanded and condensed 
> characters should make this possible - sounds kind of difficult to me.
> 		
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Jul 28 10:05:50 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:05:50 +0200
Subject: Updating Title Bar
In-Reply-To: <8f8651c105072806586974edeb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8f8651c105072806586974edeb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <563E04BC-0A5F-46BE-9578-4AB5ED9580FE@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hello Josh,

Just set the label of stack <stack name> to <My stuff && revision  
number>
As for Google search, it works fine here.
You might be interested by Resources Picker, a free plugin that  
searches the mail archives with 3 engines and does a lot of other  
work too.
(Available on my website - address below)

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

Le 28 juil. 05 ? 15:58, subzero569 a ?crit :

> I have a program in rev that uses an external txt file for importing
> some data to the program.  Is there a way to dynamically update the
> title bar version number of my program without going into the title
> property of the inspector?
>
> Basically, I would like to include a revision number in the text file
> and have this read into the title bar without having to recompile the
> build everytime I have to just update the txt file.
>
> Also, what happened to the google search for the archives?  It is very
> frustrating not being able to search the archives.
>
> TIA,
>
> Josh

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From b.xavier at internet.lu  Thu Jul 28 10:07:44 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:07:44 +0200
Subject: Updating Title Bar
In-Reply-To: <8f8651c105072806586974edeb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050728135646.287D2824ED2@mail.runrev.com>

Josh

try this:

set the title of this stack to "my new name" 

cheers
Xavier

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> subzero569
> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 15:59
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Updating Title Bar
> 
> I have a program in rev that uses an external txt file for 
> importing some data to the program.  Is there a way to 
> dynamically update the title bar version number of my program 
> without going into the title property of the inspector?
> 
> Basically, I would like to include a revision number in the 
> text file and have this read into the title bar without 
> having to recompile the build everytime I have to just update 
> the txt file.
> 
> Also, what happened to the google search for the archives?  
> It is very frustrating not being able to search the archives.
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Josh
> --
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From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Thu Jul 28 10:07:09 2005
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:07:09 +0300
Subject: Urgent (desperate) cry for help...
In-Reply-To: <OFE876EA1E.D497F9D9-ONC125704C.0047E29B-C125704C.0047F4B1@deutsche-boerse.com>
Message-ID: <BF0EC13D.39669%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 7/28/05 4:07 PM, "xbury.cs at clearstream.com" <xbury.cs at clearstream.com>
wrote:

Hi guys,

> according to my version here in Win2003 (like XP), i also get
> URLencode("Co?rdinator")=Co%F6rdinator
> 
> so i would assume the problem to be with the urlencode function or the way
> windows and mac differ on that kind of translation...
> 
> Oh yes... macs and pcs dont encode ? as the same ASCII so it must be
> perfectly normal....
> 
> sorry for the bad news...

Well, this will not be helpful to Ton, but for info of others:

Valentina Database do correct auto-conversion
of Unicode text between platforms in this case.

You can self setup Valentina for Revolution what you want to do:

      you set/get UT8 string
    
Or
      you get/set e.g. Macintosh encoding on MAC
      you get/set e.g. Latin1 encoding on Windows

Also you can specify any from 200+ encodings of the world.

Valentina self convert that into UTF16 and store on disk in db files.


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Jul 28 10:13:12 2005
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:13:12 -0600
Subject: Updating Title Bar
In-Reply-To: <8f8651c105072806586974edeb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8f8651c105072806586974edeb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <655BDCE5-2778-427A-A73E-AFCC4E81BAE8@byu.edu>


On Jul 28, 2005, at 7:58 AM, subzero569 wrote:

> I have a program in rev that uses an external txt file for importing
> some data to the program.  Is there a way to dynamically update the
> title bar version number of my program without going into the title
> property of the inspector?
>
> Basically, I would like to include a revision number in the text file
> and have this read into the title bar without having to recompile the
> build everytime I have to just update the txt file.

Josh,

Try setting the label of the stack:

     set the label of stack "myStack" to the label of stack "myStack"  
&& "Version 2.0"

>
> Also, what happened to the google search for the archives?  It is very
> frustrating not being able to search the archives.

Works for me here. Are you using Richard Gaskin's  
4W_Rev_List_Search.rev stack?

Regards,
Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Jul 28 10:19:27 2005
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:19:27 -0600
Subject: Newbie ? Answered
In-Reply-To: <f73a981605072717477460a6fc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <66.5bafada5.3018cfd1@aol.com>
	<f73a981605072717477460a6fc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7A02B84D-115C-4EDF-9DE5-3190E82D4947@byu.edu>


On Jul 27, 2005, at 6:47 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:

> On 7/27/05, Hamburger1 at aol.com <Hamburger1 at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> I know I have to and enthusiastically want to finally wean myself  
>> from
>> HyperCard. I expect that will happen by the end of the year.
>>
<snip>

> One warning though, Rev is NOT as stable as HC, and understandably so.

The instability is in the Development environment. The runtime engine  
has been rock solid for me. That is, once the project is saved as a  
stanalone, it is very stable.

> Rev has so many more features and has to cope with cross platform
> compatibility. Even so, its frequent crashes (2.6 is so much  better
> than 2.2) can become annoying unless you are prepared.

In fairness, crashes have almost disappeared since 2.5 came out. I  
can't remember my last one. I do still occasionally encounter an  
unrecoverable hangup in the IDE, so Kay's advice about frequent  
backups is sound.

Regards,
Devin


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Thu Jul 28 10:28:58 2005
From: FlexibleLearning at aol.com (FlexibleLearning at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:28:58 EDT
Subject: [ANN] Scripter's Scrapbook 5.02 upgrade
Message-ID: <12c.62aa5de6.301a45aa@aol.com>

The v5.02 update should now work as expected.
 
/H


From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Thu Jul 28 10:42:30 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:42:30 -0400
Subject: Newbie ? Answered
In-Reply-To: <7A02B84D-115C-4EDF-9DE5-3190E82D4947@byu.edu>
References: <66.5bafada5.3018cfd1@aol.com>
	<f73a981605072717477460a6fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<7A02B84D-115C-4EDF-9DE5-3190E82D4947@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <09b55d69f3f2cab0e14c07f92541a0aa@adelphia.net>

I would agree, backing up on a regular basis while working on a project 
is just good practice. When I am doing a Powerpoint or Photoshop 
project I back up every few minutes. I do the same in Revolution. To 
not do this just invites the loss.

I have not experienced any crashes in REV in a looooong time. (knock on 
wood)

Tom


On Jul 28, 2005, at 10:19 AM, Devin Asay wrote:

> In fairness, crashes have almost disappeared since 2.5 came out. I 
> can't remember my last one. I do still occasionally encounter an 
> unrecoverable hangup in the IDE, so Kay's advice about frequent 
> backups is sound.
>
> Regards,
> Devin
>
>
>



From ridge11103 at btinternet.com  Thu Jul 28 10:45:34 2005
From: ridge11103 at btinternet.com (John Ridge)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:45:34 +0100
Subject: revDocWiki
In-Reply-To: <d33769ea7653e6d0384bb71627a1d417@daniels-mara.com>
References: <p06200700bf0b270ae35a@[10.0.1.2]>	<AA5E8E28-E69B-4567-85B8-ACDDAE191DDE@danshafer.com>
	<42E6A8C1.3070800@chipp.com> <42E6B7EE.7090509@fourthworld.com>
	<d33769ea7653e6d0384bb71627a1d417@daniels-mara.com>
Message-ID: <57F39361-61EC-4E42-8AB1-6FD857E6B746@btinternet.com>

Wow! That sounds very exciting. Is this really feasible?


On 28 Jul 2005, at 00:15, Jerry Daniels wrote:

> If it will help the revDocWiki project, i can get the docs parsing  
> code to whomever needs it. If we need it hooked up to a script  
> editor (as mentioned above) perhaps we have an extension to  
> Transcript Gadget?
>

Best wishes
John
ridge11103 at btinternet.com





From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Thu Jul 28 11:08:10 2005
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:08:10 -0700
Subject: request for script or stack
In-Reply-To: <67D10B02-FC9E-49CE-BA7D-F574CECFD78A@genesearch.com.au>
References: <p06200701bf0dc91adf09@[10.0.1.2]>
	<FB40B08D-3C68-45C3-B526-1380361DB64B@genesearch.com.au>
	<p06200702bf0df74eb365@[10.0.1.2]>
	<67D10B02-FC9E-49CE-BA7D-F574CECFD78A@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <p06200709bf0e9d1c8f8a@[10.0.1.2]>

>>Regarding the "find and replace" window, I have tried several times 
>>to stop a search with a command-period. It just plain won't stop. 
>>(Clicking on the glowing red close button at the upper left won't 
>>stop it either, even though the little X appears when the mouse is 
>>over it.)
>>
>
>I tested it here (Mac OS X 10.4.2 if that matters) with Rev 2.6 and 
>it worked fine. I had to set it searching a vast number of stacks 
>before I could get to the keys fast enough, but I made it in the end 
>and was able to interrupt it. It then gave me the list of items it 
>had found so far.
>
>The "Find" button in the Find & replace window specifically sets the 
>allowInterrupts to false which is weird, especially as the comment 
>above one of the lines setting it to false says "  --allow user 
>interruption".
>
>You may like to edit this so that you can interrupt it, although as 
>I said, it works for me.
>
>Cheers,
>Sarah


Hi Sarah,

Your find script works really well! It doesn't cycle through the same 
page when there's more than one hit on the same page. That's great! 
Scrolling fields will scroll to show the hit. Scrolling fields 
containing multiple hits will scroll to show multiple hits, if 
necessary. This is almost perfect!

It seems like this ought to be native to Rev. It's silly that it has 
to be scripted. Is that an enhancement request that's already been 
submitted?

I don't quite understand how your script works yet -- I'm kind of 
slow at that -- but I'll study it and figure it out.

If I could wish for one enhancement, the script would scroll a 
scrolling background so I could see the hit if it were otherwise 
scrolled out of sight. I'm not asking you to script that for me. Is 
it scriptable? If so, could you drop me a hint?

Regarding the find and replace window, it sounds like yours works a 
zillion times faster than mine. Any ideas about why that could be? My 
computer isn't a screamer. It's a 466 mhz G4. But I doubt that's the 
main issue. On a much faster Macintosh, it would still be quite slow, 
seems to me. We've been over this once before, regarding the Find and 
Replace window, on the list. Can anyone see through the fog of 
perplexity on this issue?

I tried command-period on the find-and-replace window again. I tried 
setting the   allowinterrupts to true in the msg box first. I 
discovered that Find-and-Replace stops searching ten to fifteen 
seconds after I enter command-period. I don't know whether I just 
didn't notice this before, or if setting the allowinterrupts to true 
in the msg box made the difference. Time will tell. Ten to fifteen 
seconds is slow, but acceptable. It still seems like the 
Find-and-Replace feature works a lot faster for other users than it 
does for me. Maybe the speed of my machine *is* the bottleneck. Hard 
to say. I have 768 MB of physical RAM. Seems like that ought to be 
enough. Maybe not.

Maybe I misunderstood. Is Find-and-Replace is a stack? If so, I 
couldn't figure out how to get under the hood. I'd like to try 
setting the allowinterrupts to true. I couldn't access the stack 
script, the "Find" button script or anything. I couldn't get it to 
come up in the inspector. What's the trick?

Finally, has the cantabort property been abandoned in favor of the 
allowinterrupts property? Seems like they do about the same thing. 
The cantabort still resides in the 2.6.1 docs, but Rev doesn't seem 
to recognize that property.


Cheers,


Tim


From jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr  Thu Jul 28 11:17:19 2005
From: jbv.silences at Club-Internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:17:19 +0200
Subject: OT : problem using CSS under Safari
Message-ID: <42E8F6FE.57BB64B4@Club-Internet.fr>

Hi all,

This an OT question, so please reply off-list...

I am facing a problem using CSS under Safari,
and especially with line-height : whatever value
I set for line-height doesn't change anything and
the distance between 2 lines of text remains twice
higher than in any other browser, especially on
MacOSX.

I tried to download the css text file used by Apple
on their website (their webpages look identical on any
browser), but their settings of css is rather cryptic...

OTOH a google search didn't bring much information...

If anyone has any clue / experience on this topic,
please let me know...

Thanks in advance,
JB



From mdswindell at charter.net  Thu Jul 28 11:15:19 2005
From: mdswindell at charter.net (Mark Swindell)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:15:19 -0700
Subject: Crossword Generator
In-Reply-To: <3942492420.20050727215538@ahsoftware.net>
References: <2397B171-9EC6-40CF-906F-3DC0EEF83688@charter.net>
	<3942492420.20050727215538@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <7812B59E-464F-413C-93F9-06A384E14F5B@charter.net>

I was just wondering if anyone here had created such a beast.  It  
seems like a product Rev might be good for.  I'm looking to purchase  
one, actually, to use in the classroom, as well as to integrate into  
a curriculum package that will be an adjunct to a Rev product I'm  
working on.   For educational needs it needn't be a NY Times type  
thing.  Just a well-thought, professional generator where the user  
types in the clues and words and the puzzlemaker creates a puzzle.   
It should have font and size capabilities, as well as background  
images/patterns/colors.   After generation, each element should be  
resizable and  movable so the user can set up a nice-looking custom  
page for printout. (Basically five elements: down clues, across  
clues, answers, bg image/rect, and puzzle itself).  Printing is a  
must, export to PDF, jpg, other options.

Mark

On Jul 27, 2005, at 9:55 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Mark-
>
> Wednesday, July 27, 2005, 3:01:03 PM, you wrote:
>
> MS> Has anyone made a crossword generator in Rev?  URL?
>
> What have you got in mind? My work in progress is up in revonline now
> in games, but it's most definitely not ready for release (no printing,
> no docs, etc). It does allow you to generate crosswords, though.
>
> If you're looking to something more automatic in the way of look-ahead
> word generation, I haven't thought out the logic involved, so if
> anyone wants to fiddle with it, do feel free and let me know what you
> come up with.
>
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
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From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Thu Jul 28 11:16:56 2005
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:16:56 -0500
Subject: Updating Title Bar
In-Reply-To: <8f8651c105072806586974edeb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8f8651c105072806586974edeb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42E8F6E8.9060307@dreamscapesoftware.com>

subzero569 wrote:
> I have a program in rev that uses an external txt file for importing
> some data to the program.  Is there a way to dynamically update the
> title bar version number of my program without going into the title
> property of the inspector?

I'm thinking instead of revOnline launching at startup that the 
Documentation should launch instead.

> Also, what happened to the google search for the archives?  It is very
> frustrating not being able to search the archives.

Go to google's web site, type in the search term, then type a space  and 
the following...

    site:http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
_______________________________________________
Compress Photos for the Web with JPEGCompress
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/



From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Thu Jul 28 11:17:30 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:17:30 -0400
Subject: Newbie ? Answered
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9968115@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

I find that resizestack handlers with bugs in them are very prone to
crashing the IDE - rev 2.5

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Thomas
McGrath III
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 10:43 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Newbie ? Answered

I would agree, backing up on a regular basis while working on a project 
is just good practice. When I am doing a Powerpoint or Photoshop 
project I back up every few minutes. I do the same in Revolution. To 
not do this just invites the loss.

I have not experienced any crashes in REV in a looooong time. (knock on 
wood)

Tom


On Jul 28, 2005, at 10:19 AM, Devin Asay wrote:

> In fairness, crashes have almost disappeared since 2.5 came out. I 
> can't remember my last one. I do still occasionally encounter an 
> unrecoverable hangup in the IDE, so Kay's advice about frequent 
> backups is sound.
>
> Regards,
> Devin
>
>
>

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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu Jul 28 11:29:10 2005
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:29:10 -0700
Subject: Urgent (desperate) cry for help...
In-Reply-To: <A6038E1E-F109-457E-801C-248A3CF4C10C@pandora.be>
References: <A6038E1E-F109-457E-801C-248A3CF4C10C@pandora.be>
Message-ID: <85BEF2BB-0534-4AD4-AF22-1EE0E6C09248@mangomultimedia.com>

On Jul 28, 2005, at 5:58 AM, Ton Kuypers wrote:

> I know I'm doing something wrong, there has to be a better way, but  
> I just can't figure out what I'm doing wrong...
>
> Situation:
> - mySQL 4.1 running on a windows server
> - RR 2.6 OSX & Windows XP
> - Clients need to be Mac OS9, Mac OS-X and Windows XP

When working with most databases and using ASCII you need to decide  
beforehand if you are going to store using the Mac or Windows  
character encoding.  I usually store as ISO (windows) and whenever  
the code is running on the Mac I run all strings through ISOToMac()  
when reading data and macToISO when inserting data.  This way your  
characters that have ASCII values greater than 127 will look right on  
both platforms.

If you need unicode support then you can just encode/decode the  
unicodeText of a fld to/from UTF16.  When inserting into the database  
you would use

uniDecode(unicodeText of fld "MyFld", "UTF8")  --> CONVERTS FROM  
UTF16 TO UTF8

and when getting data from the database you would use

set the unicodeText of fld "MyFld" to uniEncode(myDatabaseValue,  
"UTF8")  --> CONVERTS FROM UTF8 TO UTF16

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Multimedia
trevor at mangomultimedia.com




From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Thu Jul 28 11:33:26 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:33:26 -0400
Subject: Newbie ? Answered
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9968115@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9968115@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <516117253bcb55454cd883691790ef7a@adelphia.net>

Jon,

I am sorry, I don't experience bugs in the resizeStack handlers. Maybe 
you should upgrade to 2.6.

Tom

On Jul 28, 2005, at 11:17 AM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:

> I find that resizestack handlers with bugs in them are very prone to
> crashing the IDE - rev 2.5
>

> On Behalf Of Thomas
> McGrath III
> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 10:43 AM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Newbie ? Answered
>
> I would agree, backing up on a regular basis while working on a project
> is just good practice. When I am doing a Powerpoint or Photoshop
> project I back up every few minutes. I do the same in Revolution. To
> not do this just invites the loss.
>
> I have not experienced any crashes in REV in a looooong time. (knock on
> wood)
>
> Tom
>
>
> On Jul 28, 2005, at 10:19 AM, Devin Asay wrote:
>
>> In fairness, crashes have almost disappeared since 2.5 came out. I
>> can't remember my last one. I do still occasionally encounter an
>> unrecoverable hangup in the IDE, so Kay's advice about frequent
>> backups is sound.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Devin
>>
>>
>>
>
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Macintosh PowerBook G-4 OSX 10.3.9, OS 9.2.2, 1.25 GHz, 512MB RAM, Rev 
2.6


Advanced Media Group
Eagle Works Art & Sculpture
Semantic Compaction Systems
Prentke Romich Company
Prentke Romich International
SCIconics, LLC
Artist
Thomas J McGrath III
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From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Thu Jul 28 11:36:56 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:36:56 -0400
Subject: Newbie ? Answered
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9968116@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

Well, what I mean is that, if I have a bug of my own creation in a
resizestack handler, it tends to crash the IDE...

Like, if I have a resizestack handler that alters the size of a group to
stay in proportion to the window...

But then, in a substack, I forget to trap the resizestack message, and I
resize that substack, it will give an error saying it could not find the
group - but then I cannot just close the error message. I wind up having
to ctrl-alt-delete Rev itself.

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Thomas
McGrath III
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 11:33 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Newbie ? Answered

Jon,

I am sorry, I don't experience bugs in the resizeStack handlers. Maybe 
you should upgrade to 2.6.

Tom

On Jul 28, 2005, at 11:17 AM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:

> I find that resizestack handlers with bugs in them are very prone to
> crashing the IDE - rev 2.5
>

> On Behalf Of Thomas
> McGrath III
> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 10:43 AM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Newbie ? Answered
>
> I would agree, backing up on a regular basis while working on a
project
> is just good practice. When I am doing a Powerpoint or Photoshop
> project I back up every few minutes. I do the same in Revolution. To
> not do this just invites the loss.
>
> I have not experienced any crashes in REV in a looooong time. (knock
on
> wood)
>
> Tom
>
>
> On Jul 28, 2005, at 10:19 AM, Devin Asay wrote:
>
>> In fairness, crashes have almost disappeared since 2.5 came out. I
>> can't remember my last one. I do still occasionally encounter an
>> unrecoverable hangup in the IDE, so Kay's advice about frequent
>> backups is sound.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Devin
>>
>>
>>
>
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2.6


Advanced Media Group
Eagle Works Art & Sculpture
Semantic Compaction Systems
Prentke Romich Company
Prentke Romich International
SCIconics, LLC
Artist
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Jul 28 11:42:13 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:42:13 +0200
Subject: Newbie ? Answered
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9968116@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9968116@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <9EBDE3CE-3F8D-41FD-A32A-90FDE107AD5F@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Lynch,

When you put some handlers which trigger system messages in a main  
stack script, you could add a line of code as the following:
if the long ID of this stack <> the long ID of me then exit <Handler  
Name>
This prevent sub stacks to trigger messages that are made only for  
the main stack.
Hope this helps.

Le 28 juil. 05 ? 17:36, Lynch, Jonathan a ?crit :

> Well, what I mean is that, if I have a bug of my own creation in a
> resizestack handler, it tends to crash the IDE...
>
> Like, if I have a resizestack handler that alters the size of a  
> group to
> stay in proportion to the window...
>
> But then, in a substack, I forget to trap the resizestack message,  
> and I
> resize that substack, it will give an error saying it could not  
> find the
> group - but then I cannot just close the error message. I wind up  
> having
> to ctrl-alt-delete Rev itself.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jul 28 11:42:54 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:42:54 -0500
Subject: Mac->Win revisited
In-Reply-To: <42E8CCFC.1020201@sover.net>
References: <2049439D-1964-472A-B169-6AA16D7F7BF3@conncoll.edu>	<42E7E0A8.5000103@tweedly.net>	<E0A82A13-A170-4C96-9AC8-151A74EB8943@conncoll.edu>	<42E7F37F.8020204@tweedly.net>	<3FCD2794-D25F-437E-A7CC-5AA70E526AC9@conncoll.edu>	<f63f36ffdb4aa5b18993fc95d7c8469c@adelphia.net>
	<42E8CCFC.1020201@sover.net>
Message-ID: <42E8FCFE.9060708@hyperactivesw.com>

Thomas McGrath III wrote:
> 
> When using things like players and speech etc. it is our
> responsibility to close them ourselves in our code when and if for
> any reason our program is to quit. So I would put a piece of script
> in a on closeStack that takes care of the player when closing.
> 
> This is because players and speech use libraries and/or QT etc. to
> work and like a serial port that is opened it must be closed or
> problems may occur. This is good coding practice.

Players? You mean, like QT player objects? How would one "close" a QT 
player? I've never had any problem quitting while ignoring them. Maybe I 
don't understand what you mean.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Thu Jul 28 11:43:39 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:43:39 -0400
Subject: Newbie ? Answered
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9968117@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

That is a good idea!

I have gotten in the habit of making sure my substacks trap such messages - but your way will prevent it even if I forget to do that.

Thanks Eric.

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Eric Chatonet
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 11:42 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Newbie ? Answered

Hi Lynch,

When you put some handlers which trigger system messages in a main  
stack script, you could add a line of code as the following:
if the long ID of this stack <> the long ID of me then exit <Handler  
Name>
This prevent sub stacks to trigger messages that are made only for  
the main stack.
Hope this helps.

Le 28 juil. 05 ? 17:36, Lynch, Jonathan a ?crit :

> Well, what I mean is that, if I have a bug of my own creation in a
> resizestack handler, it tends to crash the IDE...
>
> Like, if I have a resizestack handler that alters the size of a  
> group to
> stay in proportion to the window...
>
> But then, in a substack, I forget to trap the resizestack message,  
> and I
> resize that substack, it will give an error saying it could not  
> find the
> group - but then I cannot just close the error message. I wind up  
> having
> to ctrl-alt-delete Rev itself.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From userev at canelasoftware.com  Thu Jul 28 12:00:55 2005
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:00:55 -0700
Subject: Crossword Generator
In-Reply-To: <7812B59E-464F-413C-93F9-06A384E14F5B@charter.net>
References: <2397B171-9EC6-40CF-906F-3DC0EEF83688@charter.net>
	<3942492420.20050727215538@ahsoftware.net>
	<7812B59E-464F-413C-93F9-06A384E14F5B@charter.net>
Message-ID: <A31582F2-DE95-43E8-8E7D-E8A4172EAC6D@canelasoftware.com>


On Jul 28, 2005, at 8:15 AM, Mark Swindell wrote:

> I was just wondering if anyone here had created such a beast.  It  
> seems like a product Rev might be good for.  I'm looking to  
> purchase one, actually, to use in the classroom, as well as to  
> integrate into a curriculum package that will be an adjunct to a  
> Rev product I'm working on.   For educational needs it needn't be a  
> NY Times type thing.  Just a well-thought, professional generator  
> where the user types in the clues and words and the puzzlemaker  
> creates a puzzle.  It should have font and size capabilities, as  
> well as background images/patterns/colors.   After generation, each  
> element should be resizable and  movable so the user can set up a  
> nice-looking custom page for printout. (Basically five elements:  
> down clues, across clues, answers, bg image/rect, and puzzle  
> itself).  Printing is a must, export to PDF, jpg, other options.


Mark,

There are plenty of commercial apps out there for about $20.00 that  
would suit your needs just fine.  You can find one such program at  
most local teacher stores.  You can also order most of the available  
commercial versions from any educational catalog like:  <http:// 
www.learningservicesus.com/>


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From bann at sunncomm.com  Thu Jul 28 12:02:15 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:02:15 -0700
Subject: rotating images
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E5B7@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>


Hello everyone,

I have question about rotating images. 
I want to rotate (changing) images every 10 seconds on the same card

I create main stack which has card (cd1).  In card cd1 I have 5 images.
I want to rotate these images every 10 seconds; each image will take to
an URL when it is clicked

I tried to do this on different card by using "go next cd" but I don't
know how to do this on the same cd

Thanks for your help




From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Thu Jul 28 12:45:21 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:45:21 -0400
Subject: Mac->Win revisited
In-Reply-To: <42E8FCFE.9060708@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <2049439D-1964-472A-B169-6AA16D7F7BF3@conncoll.edu>	<42E7E0A8.5000103@tweedly.net>	<E0A82A13-A170-4C96-9AC8-151A74EB8943@conncoll.edu>	<42E7F37F.8020204@tweedly.net>	<3FCD2794-D25F-437E-A7CC-5AA70E526AC9@conncoll.edu>	<f63f36ffdb4aa5b18993fc95d7c8469c@adelphia.net>
	<42E8CCFC.1020201@sover.net> <42E8FCFE.9060708@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <b1bbbaad8f1e91f711ab983a49e5203e@adelphia.net>

Jac,

I was actually referring to grabbing  video in QT (referring to it 
being a player type object) as in:

In stack: (this is to clean it up on quit/close of stack)
on closeStack
   revCloseVideoGrabber
end closeStack

In Initialize button:
on mouseUp
revInitializeVideoGrabber short name of this stack, "QT", the rect of 
this stack
end mouseUp

In record button:
on mouseUp
   revRecordVideo "mymovie.avi"
end mouseUp

In stop button:
on mouseUp
revStopRecordingVideo
end mouseUp

It is my understanding that not calling revCloseVideoGrabber on 
quit/close could cause memory problems.
 From the docs:
If your application uses video capture, you should execute the 
revCloseVideoGrabber command either when your application is finished 
using video capture, when the stack that uses video capture is closed 
(in a closeStack handler), or when your application quits (in a 
shutdown handler).
The Video library loads the operating system's video capture software 
into memory when you use the revInitializeVideoGrabber command. The 
revCloseVideoGrabber command unloads this software, freeing up the 
memory it uses, when you're done.

Of course the same is true for speech:
revUnloadSpeech
from the docs:
Important!  If your application uses text to speech, you should execute 
the revUnloadSpeech command either when your application is finished 
using text to speech, when the stack that uses speech is closed (in a 
closeStack handler), or when your application quits (in a shutdown 
handler). This saves memory.


But it turns out the original thread was about the Dreamcard Player 
anyway so this is a mute point.


Tom



On Jul 28, 2005, at 11:42 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Players? You mean, like QT player objects? How would one "close" a QT 
> player? I've never had any problem quitting while ignoring them. Maybe 
> I don't understand what you mean.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From mdswindell at charter.net  Thu Jul 28 12:48:41 2005
From: mdswindell at charter.net (Mark Swindell)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:48:41 -0700
Subject: Crossword Generator
In-Reply-To: <A31582F2-DE95-43E8-8E7D-E8A4172EAC6D@canelasoftware.com>
References: <2397B171-9EC6-40CF-906F-3DC0EEF83688@charter.net>
	<3942492420.20050727215538@ahsoftware.net>
	<7812B59E-464F-413C-93F9-06A384E14F5B@charter.net>
	<A31582F2-DE95-43E8-8E7D-E8A4172EAC6D@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <426C2C5E-FBA9-4F67-86BE-897BBB064A17@charter.net>

On Jul 28, 2005, at 9:00 AM, Mark Talluto wrote:

>
> On Jul 28, 2005, at 8:15 AM, Mark Swindell wrote:
>
>
>> I was just wondering if anyone here had created such a beast.  It  
>> seems like a product Rev might be good for.  I'm looking to  
>> purchase one, actually, to use in the classroom, as well as to  
>> integrate into a curriculum package that will be an adjunct to a  
>> Rev product I'm working on.   For educational needs it needn't be  
>> a NY Times type thing.  Just a well-thought, professional  
>> generator where the user types in the clues and words and the  
>> puzzlemaker creates a puzzle.  It should have font and size  
>> capabilities, as well as background images/patterns/colors.    
>> After generation, each element should be resizable and  movable so  
>> the user can set up a nice-looking custom page for printout.  
>> (Basically five elements: down clues, across clues, answers, bg  
>> image/rect, and puzzle itself).  Printing is a must, export to  
>> PDF, jpg, other options.
>>
>
>
> Mark,
>
> There are plenty of commercial apps out there for about $20.00 that  
> would suit your needs just fine.  You can find one such program at  
> most local teacher stores.  You can also order most of the  
> available commercial versions from any educational catalog like:   
> <http://www.learningservicesus.com/>
>
>

Right.  The one I like best at this point is called CrossWord Forge  
(was CrossWordz -- http://www.solrobots.com) though it's a bit pricy  
at 50.00.  But the interface is very nice, unlike some.  But moving/ 
rearranging elements is  still lacking in the current iteration.

I was just wondering if someone in the Rev community had created such  
a product.   A person with some skill could probably do a bang-up job  
of it.  People are always asking about visible commercial Rev  
products (non in-house) on the list.

Mark



From userev at canelasoftware.com  Thu Jul 28 12:53:12 2005
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:53:12 -0700
Subject: Crossword Generator
In-Reply-To: <426C2C5E-FBA9-4F67-86BE-897BBB064A17@charter.net>
References: <2397B171-9EC6-40CF-906F-3DC0EEF83688@charter.net>
	<3942492420.20050727215538@ahsoftware.net>
	<7812B59E-464F-413C-93F9-06A384E14F5B@charter.net>
	<A31582F2-DE95-43E8-8E7D-E8A4172EAC6D@canelasoftware.com>
	<426C2C5E-FBA9-4F67-86BE-897BBB064A17@charter.net>
Message-ID: <FD5C7A6B-6726-454C-AF5C-135FDDDC66DF@canelasoftware.com>


On Jul 28, 2005, at 9:48 AM, Mark Swindell wrote:

> On Jul 28, 2005, at 9:00 AM, Mark Talluto wrote:
>
>
>>
>> On Jul 28, 2005, at 8:15 AM, Mark Swindell wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I was just wondering if anyone here had created such a beast.  It  
>>> seems like a product Rev might be good for.  I'm looking to  
>>> purchase one, actually, to use in the classroom, as well as to  
>>> integrate into a curriculum package that will be an adjunct to a  
>>> Rev product I'm working on.   For educational needs it needn't be  
>>> a NY Times type thing.  Just a well-thought, professional  
>>> generator where the user types in the clues and words and the  
>>> puzzlemaker creates a puzzle.  It should have font and size  
>>> capabilities, as well as background images/patterns/colors.    
>>> After generation, each element should be resizable and  movable  
>>> so the user can set up a nice-looking custom page for printout.  
>>> (Basically five elements: down clues, across clues, answers, bg  
>>> image/rect, and puzzle itself).  Printing is a must, export to  
>>> PDF, jpg, other options.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Mark,
>>
>> There are plenty of commercial apps out there for about $20.00  
>> that would suit your needs just fine.  You can find one such  
>> program at most local teacher stores.  You can also order most of  
>> the available commercial versions from any educational catalog  
>> like:  <http://www.learningservicesus.com/>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Right.  The one I like best at this point is called CrossWord Forge  
> (was CrossWordz -- http://www.solrobots.com) though it's a bit  
> pricy at 50.00.  But the interface is very nice, unlike some.  But  
> moving/rearranging elements is  still lacking in the current  
> iteration.
>
> I was just wondering if someone in the Rev community had created  
> such a product.   A person with some skill could probably do a bang- 
> up job of it.  People are always asking about visible commercial  
> Rev products (non in-house) on the list.
>
> Mark
>

I got very close to creating one along with a Word Search program.   
Due to the state of education market at this time, it would not be  
worth the development and marketing costs.


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From mdswindell at charter.net  Thu Jul 28 12:59:09 2005
From: mdswindell at charter.net (Mark Swindell)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:59:09 -0700
Subject: Crossword Generator
In-Reply-To: <FD5C7A6B-6726-454C-AF5C-135FDDDC66DF@canelasoftware.com>
References: <2397B171-9EC6-40CF-906F-3DC0EEF83688@charter.net>
	<3942492420.20050727215538@ahsoftware.net>
	<7812B59E-464F-413C-93F9-06A384E14F5B@charter.net>
	<A31582F2-DE95-43E8-8E7D-E8A4172EAC6D@canelasoftware.com>
	<426C2C5E-FBA9-4F67-86BE-897BBB064A17@charter.net>
	<FD5C7A6B-6726-454C-AF5C-135FDDDC66DF@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <46F6CF24-1ABC-41DA-A09F-3C93033244CA@charter.net>


On Jul 28, 2005, at 9:53 AM, Mark Talluto wrote:

>
> On Jul 28, 2005, at 9:48 AM, Mark Swindell wrote:
>
>
>> On Jul 28, 2005, at 9:00 AM, Mark Talluto wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 28, 2005, at 8:15 AM, Mark Swindell wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I was just wondering if anyone here had created such a beast.   
>>>> It seems like a product Rev might be good for.  I'm looking to  
>>>> purchase one, actually, to use in the classroom, as well as to  
>>>> integrate into a curriculum package that will be an adjunct to a  
>>>> Rev product I'm working on.   For educational needs it needn't  
>>>> be a NY Times type thing.  Just a well-thought, professional  
>>>> generator where the user types in the clues and words and the  
>>>> puzzlemaker creates a puzzle.  It should have font and size  
>>>> capabilities, as well as background images/patterns/colors.    
>>>> After generation, each element should be resizable and  movable  
>>>> so the user can set up a nice-looking custom page for printout.  
>>>> (Basically five elements: down clues, across clues, answers, bg  
>>>> image/rect, and puzzle itself).  Printing is a must, export to  
>>>> PDF, jpg, other options.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark,
>>>
>>> There are plenty of commercial apps out there for about $20.00  
>>> that would suit your needs just fine.  You can find one such  
>>> program at most local teacher stores.  You can also order most of  
>>> the available commercial versions from any educational catalog  
>>> like:  <http://www.learningservicesus.com/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Right.  The one I like best at this point is called CrossWord  
>> Forge (was CrossWordz -- http://www.solrobots.com) though it's a  
>> bit pricy at 50.00.  But the interface is very nice, unlike some.   
>> But moving/rearranging elements is  still lacking in the current  
>> iteration.
>>
>> I was just wondering if someone in the Rev community had created  
>> such a product.   A person with some skill could probably do a  
>> bang-up job of it.  People are always asking about visible  
>> commercial Rev products (non in-house) on the list.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>
> I got very close to creating one along with a Word Search program.   
> Due to the state of education market at this time, it would not be  
> worth the development and marketing costs.

Understood.  Still, it could be a nice Revolution ambassador, I  
think, if it were done up properly.  Sad state of affairs in the Ed  
market, unfortunately.

Mark




From katherine.w.c at gmail.com  Thu Jul 28 13:51:52 2005
From: katherine.w.c at gmail.com (Kat)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:51:52 -0400
Subject: SE/USA RUG Meeting Report
Message-ID: <42E91B38.5080004@gmail.com>

Hi Revolutionaries,

Four of us had a very productive meeting in Atlanta last week to begin 
organizing a regional Rev Users Group for the southeastern US.  
Actually, five people attended, but one was with us virtually, as his 
avatar in the SecondLife simulation (see http://secondlife.com).  One of 
the ideas we agreed was worth exploring is the idea that to avoid travel 
but still keep in touch we could all get SecondLife accounts and meet 
there between quarterly Real Life meetings in Atlanta. An advantage of 
meeting in the virtual world is that anyone anywhere could join us. 
There's a 7-day free trial, and a basic membership is a one-time cost of 
US$9.95.

If you're curious about everything we said and did, and would like to 
see a picture from the meeting, please visit our wiki at 
http://rugusa.linguistix.net/ and follow the links to the "Live Minutes" 
in the "Atlanta Planning Meeting" page.

By the way, my avatar's name in SL is "Kat Lemieux". If you're in the 
neighborhood, please say hi!  Since SL is a user-scriptable simulation, 
it's really ideal for Revolutionaries, but there's a real danger that 
getting involved in that game could seriously cut into the time you 
spend writing Rev stacks. It's addictive!

Cheers,
Kat


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Jul 28 14:02:11 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:02:11 -0500
Subject: Newbie ? Answered
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9968117@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <BF0E87D3.268A4%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 7/28/05 10:43 AM, "Lynch, Jonathan" <bnz2 at cdc.gov> wrote:

> if the long ID of this stack <> the long ID of me then exit <Handler
> Name>

You can do this even easier by putting this in the stack script:

on resizeStack
  if the owner of the target is me then
    -- do the stuff you want to do
  else
    pass resizeStack
  end if
end resizeStack

Always pass these system messages - you never know who else (plugins, etc.
may need to get them in order to operate properly.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jul 28 14:23:52 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:23:52 -0500
Subject: Mac->Win revisited
In-Reply-To: <b1bbbaad8f1e91f711ab983a49e5203e@adelphia.net>
References: <2049439D-1964-472A-B169-6AA16D7F7BF3@conncoll.edu>	<42E7E0A8.5000103@tweedly.net>	<E0A82A13-A170-4C96-9AC8-151A74EB8943@conncoll.edu>	<42E7F37F.8020204@tweedly.net>	<3FCD2794-D25F-437E-A7CC-5AA70E526AC9@conncoll.edu>	<f63f36ffdb4aa5b18993fc95d7c8469c@adelphia.net>
	<42E8CCFC.1020201@sover.net> <42E8FCFE.9060708@hyperactivesw.com>
	<b1bbbaad8f1e91f711ab983a49e5203e@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <42E922B8.2020606@hyperactivesw.com>

Thomas McGrath III wrote:

 > It is my understanding that not calling revCloseVideoGrabber on
 > quit/close could cause memory problems.

Oh, I see. Yes, that's right. I was thinking of plain old players that 
run QT movies.

 >
 >
 > But it turns out the original thread was about the Dreamcard Player
 > anyway so this is a mute point.

Yeah, I knew that, but you got me curious. Thanks for the clarification.


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From revolution at jaedworks.com  Thu Jul 28 01:01:50 2005
From: revolution at jaedworks.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:01:50 -0700
Subject: Workaround request - textcolor property in a field in a group
In-Reply-To: <42E814BF.1030505@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <BF0D2D35.2B9DB%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<42E814BF.1030505@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <p062102cbbf0e15dd407c@[192.168.2.153]>

At 6:11 PM -0500 7/27/2005, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>Jim Ault wrote:
>
>>--does not work on this field, but does on others
>>set the textcolor of word 2 of line 2 of fld AA of bg "betDisplayA" to green
>
>I just tried this. I get a failure with the above syntax, but 
>success if I substitute "grp" for "bg". That is, this works:
>
>set the textcolor of word 2 of line 2 of fld AA of grp "betDisplayA" 
>to "green"
>
>This may not work if you aren't on the right card currently, as 
>"grp" isn't a valid reference if it isn't placed on the current card.

...although it should be noted that you can refer to a group on 
another card if you specify the card, e.g. 'field "AA" of group "Foo" 
of card "bar"'.


>Note the quotes around the color name. Even though they are 
>constants, the MC docs say color names should always be in quotes, 
>so that is my habit.

Actually, the color names aren't true constants (that is, they aren't 
in the constantNames). They're literals; as with other one-word 
literals, you can get away with not quoting them, but as you note 
it's not good practice.
-- 
jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
http://www.jaedworks.com


From revolution at jaedworks.com  Thu Jul 28 14:27:40 2005
From: revolution at jaedworks.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:27:40 -0700
Subject: request for script or stack
In-Reply-To: <p06200709bf0e9d1c8f8a@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <p06200701bf0dc91adf09@[10.0.1.2]>
	<FB40B08D-3C68-45C3-B526-1380361DB64B@genesearch.com.au>
	<p06200702bf0df74eb365@[10.0.1.2]>
	<67D10B02-FC9E-49CE-BA7D-F574CECFD78A@genesearch.com.au>
	<p06200709bf0e9d1c8f8a@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <p062102d0bf0ed327b05c@[192.168.2.153]>

At 8:08 AM -0700 7/28/2005, Timothy Miller wrote:
>Maybe I misunderstood. Is Find-and-Replace is a stack? If so, I 
>couldn't figure out how to get under the hood. I'd like to try 
>setting the allowinterrupts to true. I couldn't access the stack 
>script, the "Find" button script or anything. I couldn't get it to 
>come up in the inspector. What's the trick?

Like all windows in the IDE, yes, it is a stack. From the docs:



How to investigate code in the development environment's windows:

The Revolution development environment is a Revolution application, 
and the code that controls windows, buttons, and other controls is 
written in Transcript. You are welcome to examine and alter it for 
your own use.

To enable the ability to examine Revolution windows, choose Edit 
menu>Preferences. In the "Shortcuts" pane, check the box labeled 
"Contextual menus work in Revolution windows". To examine a 
Revolution window, hold the mouse over the window you want to examine 
and use the contextual menu shortcut (Command-Control-Shift-click or 
Control-Shift-Right-click), then choose "Edit Script" to examine the 
script of the object you clicked.

   Important!  Runtime Revolution permits you to make changes to your 
own copy of the development environment, but does not provide support 
for them. You're on your own here.


>Finally, has the cantabort property been abandoned in favor of the 
>allowinterrupts property? Seems like they do about the same thing. 
>The cantabort still resides in the 2.6.1 docs, but Rev doesn't seem 
>to recognize that property.

cantAbort is a stack property; allowInterrupts is global. (Were you 
trying to execute 'set the cantAbort to true'?)
-- 
jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
http://www.jaedworks.com


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Jul 28 14:31:06 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:31:06 +0200
Subject: Newbie ? Answered
In-Reply-To: <BF0E87D3.268A4%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <BF0E87D3.268A4%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <9802148E-E0C1-45B5-93ED-793121276D75@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Lynch,

Ken is right: I wrote "exit" but "pass" is much more preferable: it  
takes care of others :-)

Le 28 juil. 05 ? 20:02, Ken Ray a ?crit :

> On 7/28/05 10:43 AM, "Lynch, Jonathan" <bnz2 at cdc.gov> wrote:
>
>
>> if the long ID of this stack <> the long ID of me then exit <Handler
>> Name>
>>
>
> You can do this even easier by putting this in the stack script:
>
> on resizeStack
>   if the owner of the target is me then
>     -- do the stuff you want to do
>   else
>     pass resizeStack
>   end if
> end resizeStack
>
> Always pass these system messages - you never know who else  
> (plugins, etc.
> may need to get them in order to operate properly.
>
> Ken Ray

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jul 28 14:34:13 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:34:13 -0500
Subject: rotating images
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E5B7@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E5B7@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <42E92525.80404@hyperactivesw.com>

Ban Nguyen wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I have question about rotating images. 
> I want to rotate (changing) images every 10 seconds on the same card
> 
> I create main stack which has card (cd1).  In card cd1 I have 5 images.
> I want to rotate these images every 10 seconds; each image will take to
> an URL when it is clicked
> 
> I tried to do this on different card by using "go next cd" but I don't
> know how to do this on the same cd

Are your images imported into the stack, or are they files on disk?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From howard.bornstein at gmail.com  Thu Jul 28 14:53:41 2005
From: howard.bornstein at gmail.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:53:41 -0400
Subject: [Slightly OT] Ransomware as a Model for Rev Toolmaking?
In-Reply-To: <200507190405.j6J458Id023301@ms-smtp-02.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
References: <200507190405.j6J458Id023301@ms-smtp-02.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3f07cc260507281153576972cd@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/19/05, Dan Shafer <revdan at danshafer.com> wrote:
> A friend of mine pointed me to an intriguing business concept called
> "RansomWare"

I had never heard of the term RansomWare before this thread. 
Interestingly, in this month's Wired Magazine (Aug. 2005), under
Jargon Watch, there is another definition of RansomWare:

"Internet extortion software that, when downloaded, encrypts the
contents of your hard drive. The parties responsible demand payment to
decrypt your data."

Ouch!

-- 
Regards,

Howard Bornstein
-----------------------
www.designeq.com


From bann at sunncomm.com  Thu Jul 28 15:06:52 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:06:52 -0700
Subject: rotating images
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E5BB@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>




> Hello everyone,
> 
> I have question about rotating images. 
> I want to rotate (changing) images every 10 seconds on the same card
> 
> I create main stack which has card (cd1).  In card cd1 I have 5
images.
> I want to rotate these images every 10 seconds; each image will take
to
> an URL when it is clicked
> 
> I tried to do this on different card by using "go next cd" but I don't
> know how to do this on the same cd

Are your images imported into the stack, or are they files on disk?


-------------------

I imported them into the stack


---------------------











From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Thu Jul 28 15:27:09 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:27:09 -0400
Subject: Mac->Win revisited
In-Reply-To: <42E922B8.2020606@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <2049439D-1964-472A-B169-6AA16D7F7BF3@conncoll.edu>	<42E7E0A8.5000103@tweedly.net>	<E0A82A13-A170-4C96-9AC8-151A74EB8943@conncoll.edu>	<42E7F37F.8020204@tweedly.net>	<3FCD2794-D25F-437E-A7CC-5AA70E526AC9@conncoll.edu>	<f63f36ffdb4aa5b18993fc95d7c8469c@adelphia.net>
	<42E8CCFC.1020201@sover.net> <42E8FCFE.9060708@hyperactivesw.com>
	<b1bbbaad8f1e91f711ab983a49e5203e@adelphia.net>
	<42E922B8.2020606@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4114b9e7ce22469eda94cf4cdcb612a2@adelphia.net>

Jac,

Yeah I posted 'all' of that mainly for the sake of others that were 
reading this thread. I knew you would pick it up right away if I just 
said revCloseVideoGrabber but I figured completeness was a good idea.

"Player" becomes a very general term now, and I don't know how to feel 
about that. ;-(

Tom


On Jul 28, 2005, at 2:23 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>
> > It is my understanding that not calling revCloseVideoGrabber on
> > quit/close could cause memory problems.
>
> Oh, I see. Yes, that's right. I was thinking of plain old players that 
> run QT movies.
>
> >
> >
> > But it turns out the original thread was about the Dreamcard Player
> > anyway so this is a mute point.
>
> Yeah, I knew that, but you got me curious. Thanks for the 
> clarification.
>
>
> -- 
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Jul 28 15:34:35 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:34:35 +0200
Subject: rotating images
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E5B7@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E5B7@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <74C3D987-11C3-45C0-862E-1545C3CF1392@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Ban,

Have a look at http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2005- 
May/057331.html
Nice scripts (as usual :-) by Kim Hurley to get started.

Le 28 juil. 05 ? 18:02, Ban Nguyen a ?crit :

>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I have question about rotating images.
> I want to rotate (changing) images every 10 seconds on the same card
>
> I create main stack which has card (cd1).  In card cd1 I have 5  
> images.
> I want to rotate these images every 10 seconds; each image will  
> take to
> an URL when it is clicked
>
> I tried to do this on different card by using "go next cd" but I don't
> know how to do this on the same cd
>
> Thanks for your help


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Thu Jul 28 15:45:48 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:45:48 -0400
Subject: rotating images
In-Reply-To: <74C3D987-11C3-45C0-862E-1545C3CF1392@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E5B7@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
	<74C3D987-11C3-45C0-862E-1545C3CF1392@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <7f45589ffb3cefccbc99f37a430520bd@adelphia.net>

Ban,

Do the images sit on top of each other? or are they side by side?
On top:
Do you want one image to appear and then rotate in ten seconds and Then 
disappear and be replaced by image 2 which then rotates in ten seconds 
to disappear and be replaced by image 3 etc.

OR
Side by side:
Do you want image 1 in the upper left to rotate in ten seconds and Then 
in another ten seconds the image next to that one image 2 to then 
rotate etc.

OR
Some other effect?

If they are separate images all available/visible at the same time then 
stick a card script that is in a repeat loop that goes through the 
images one at a time and rotates them. Then "in" each image put the on 
mouseUp that will take them to a URL.

If they are to replace each other than you can still do a card level 
repeat loop but assign an image name to a blank image that then rotates 
in ten seconds. In the single image you can put an if the file name of 
me is then go URL switch case statement.

Let us know what it is exactly that you are trying to achieve and I 
know we can help.

Tom

On Jul 28, 2005, at 3:34 PM, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi Ban,
>
> Have a look at 
> http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2005-May/057331.html
> Nice scripts (as usual :-) by Kim Hurley to get started.
>
> Le 28 juil. 05 ? 18:02, Ban Nguyen a ?crit :
>
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I have question about rotating images.
>> I want to rotate (changing) images every 10 seconds on the same card
>>
>> I create main stack which has card (cd1).  In card cd1 I have 5 
>> images.
>> I want to rotate these images every 10 seconds; each image will take 
>> to
>> an URL when it is clicked
>>
>> I tried to do this on different card by using "go next cd" but I don't
>> know how to do this on the same cd
>>
>> Thanks for your help
>
>
> Best Regards from Paris,
>
> Eric Chatonet.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> So Smart Software
>
> For institutions, companies and associations
> Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc.
> Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch
>
> Free plugins and tutorials on my website
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
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> Email        eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Jul 28 15:47:16 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:47:16 +0200
Subject: rotating images
In-Reply-To: <74C3D987-11C3-45C0-862E-1545C3CF1392@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E5B7@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
	<74C3D987-11C3-45C0-862E-1545C3CF1392@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <F19A1B3E-ED1D-443B-8F6E-031E571FB307@sosmartsoftware.com>

Apologies,
Jim Hurley of course :-)

Le 28 juil. 05 ? 21:34, Eric Chatonet a ?crit :

> Have a look at http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/ 
> 2005-May/057331.html
> Nice scripts (as usual :-) by Kim Hurley to get started.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
----------------------------------------------------------------
So Smart Software

For institutions, companies and associations
Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc.
Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch

Free plugins and tutorials on my website
----------------------------------------------------------------
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Email        eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/
Phone        33 (0)1 43 31 77 62
Mobile        33 (0)6 20 74 50 86
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From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Thu Jul 28 15:52:34 2005
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:52:34 -0700
Subject: request for script or stack
In-Reply-To: <p062102d0bf0ed327b05c@[192.168.2.153]>
References: <p06200701bf0dc91adf09@[10.0.1.2]>
	<FB40B08D-3C68-45C3-B526-1380361DB64B@genesearch.com.au>
	<p06200702bf0df74eb365@[10.0.1.2]>
	<67D10B02-FC9E-49CE-BA7D-F574CECFD78A@genesearch.com.au>
	<p06200709bf0e9d1c8f8a@[10.0.1.2]>
	<p062102d0bf0ed327b05c@[192.168.2.153]>
Message-ID: <p06200704bf0ee430385a@[10.0.1.2]>

Great reply, Jeanne

>
>Like all windows in the IDE, yes, it is a stack. From the docs:


Okay.

Would a find and replace window work a lot faster if it were written 
in machine-native code?

>
>
>How to investigate code in the development environment's windows:
>
>The Revolution development environment is a Revolution application, 
>and the code that controls windows, buttons, and other controls is 
>written in Transcript. You are welcome to examine and alter it for 
>your own use.



--snip--

>   Important!  Runtime Revolution permits you to make changes to your 
>own copy of the development environment, but does not provide 
>support for them. You're on your own here.


Thanks. Sarah mentioned that allowinterrupts is set to false in the 
Find and Replace stack. Or maybe I misunderstood her. I thought I 
might try to set it to true. But a command-period does work after all 
-- eventually.

>
>
>>Finally, has the cantabort property been abandoned in favor of the 
>>allowinterrupts property? Seems like they do about the same thing. 
>>The cantabort still resides in the 2.6.1 docs, but Rev doesn't seem 
>>to recognize that property.
>
>cantAbort is a stack property; allowInterrupts is global.


Oh! Derr...

>(Were you trying to execute 'set the cantAbort to true'?)

No I wanted to set it to false, to see if command-period would work more often.

I still don't know whether a command-period should halt a script when 
the script is temporarily interrupted when an "answer" dialog box is 
on the screen, waiting for a reply. It doesn't work that way on my 
machine. It seems to me it would be handy if Rev did work that way. 
Maybe there's a good reason it is the way it is.

Cheers,


Tim


From subzero569 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 28 15:56:02 2005
From: subzero569 at gmail.com (subzero569)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:56:02 -0400
Subject: Updating Title Bar
In-Reply-To: <563E04BC-0A5F-46BE-9578-4AB5ED9580FE@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <8f8651c105072806586974edeb@mail.gmail.com>
	<563E04BC-0A5F-46BE-9578-4AB5ED9580FE@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <8f8651c105072812561b893746@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the help.  I have one last question on this subject.  I am
trying the following and I know I am missing something simple (newbie
mistake):

put myVariable into word 5 of field "Field" in stack "SubStack"

What am I missing?  This statement works well for a field in the same
stack as the variable but I get the "can't find object" error when
trying to test to the subStack.

TIA,

Josh

On 7/28/05, Eric Chatonet <eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com> wrote:
> Hello Josh,
> 
> Just set the label of stack <stack name> to <My stuff && revision number>
> As for Google search, it works fine here.
> You might be interested by Resources Picker, a free plugin that searches the
> mail archives with 3 engines and does a lot of other work too.
> (Available on my website - address below)
> 
> Best Regards from Paris,
> 
> Eric Chatonet.
> 
> Le 28 juil. 05 ? 15:58, subzero569 a ?crit :
> 
> 
> I have a program in rev that uses an external txt file for importing 
> 
> some data to the program.  Is there a way to dynamically update the 
> 
> title bar version number of my program without going into the title 
> 
> property of the inspector? 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Basically, I would like to include a revision number in the text file 
> 
> and have this read into the title bar without having to recompile the 
> 
> build everytime I have to just update the txt file. 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Also, what happened to the google search for the archives?  It is very 
> 
> frustrating not being able to search the archives. 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> TIA, 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Josh
> 
>  
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> So Smart Software 
>   
> For institutions, companies and associations 
> Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. 
> Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch
> 
> Free plugins and tutorials on my website 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
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From bann at sunncomm.com  Thu Jul 28 16:01:54 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:01:54 -0700
Subject: rotating images
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376098B@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>



------------------------------------
Do the images sit on top of each other? or are they side by side?
On top:
Do you want one image to appear and then rotate in ten seconds and Then 
disappear and be replaced by image 2 which then rotates in ten seconds 
to disappear and be replaced by image 3 etc.


Yes, the images sit on top of each other.  I want image 1 appears then 10 sec image 2 appear then 1 sec image 3 appear..........back to image 1 and so on


I have one main stack which has 5 cards.  I want these images keep changing while user click to go to another card

Thanks for your help


----------------------------------------------------------------------------





OR
Side by side:
Do you want image 1 in the upper left to rotate in ten seconds and Then 
in another ten seconds the image next to that one image 2 to then 
rotate etc.

OR
Some other effect?

If they are separate images all available/visible at the same time then 
stick a card script that is in a repeat loop that goes through the 
images one at a time and rotates them. Then "in" each image put the on 
mouseUp that will take them to a URL.

If they are to replace each other than you can still do a card level 
repeat loop but assign an image name to a blank image that then rotates 
in ten seconds. In the single image you can put an if the file name of 
me is then go URL switch case statement.

Let us know what it is exactly that you are trying to achieve and I 
know we can help.

Tom

On Jul 28, 2005, at 3:34 PM, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi Ban,
>
> Have a look at 
> http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2005-May/057331.html
> Nice scripts (as usual :-) by Kim Hurley to get started.
>
> Le 28 juil. 05 ? 18:02, Ban Nguyen a ?crit :
>
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I have question about rotating images.
>> I want to rotate (changing) images every 10 seconds on the same card
>>
>> I create main stack which has card (cd1).  In card cd1 I have 5 
>> images.
>> I want to rotate these images every 10 seconds; each image will take 
>> to
>> an URL when it is clicked
>>
>> I tried to do this on different card by using "go next cd" but I don't
>> know how to do this on the same cd
>>
>> Thanks for your help
>
>
> Best Regards from Paris,
>
> Eric Chatonet.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> So Smart Software
>
> For institutions, companies and associations
> Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc.
> Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch
>
> Free plugins and tutorials on my website
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Web site        http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
> Email        eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/
> Phone        33 (0)1 43 31 77 62
> Mobile        33 (0)6 20 74 50 86
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>
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From revdan at danshafer.com  Thu Jul 28 16:04:57 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:04:57 -0700
Subject: Scripter's Scrapbook Chat
Message-ID: <D1AAC15C-96C1-473B-8BB1-D2F199149617@danshafer.com>

I just got off a chat using Scripter's Scrapbook new chat capability.  
Hugh took ChatRev and did a complete rewrite and created a very  
usable UI for it. Makes a nice experience.

This tool gets more and more valuable all the time for me. Today I  
found two scripts in it that answered questions I had on a current  
project. I was able to adapt those scripts and get stuff done in  
minutes that I had scheduled a couple of hours for.

So now I'm going to have a more leisurely lunch than I would have  
been able to have. Thanks, Hugh!

http://www.flexiblelearning.com

(DISCLAIMER. I don't get anything whether you buy it or not. I'm not  
part of the company. I just think it's a cool and useful tool.)


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
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From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Thu Jul 28 16:08:28 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:08:28 -0400
Subject: Updating Title Bar
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A996811F@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

Try this:

put myVariable into word 5 of field "myField" of stack "mySubStack"


 - changed the last 'in' to 'of'
 - do not name your field "field"
 - I do not think 'substack' is a reserved word, but I would change that too, just to be safe

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of subzero569
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 3:56 PM
To: Updating Title Bar
Subject: Re: Updating Title Bar

Thanks for the help.  I have one last question on this subject.  I am
trying the following and I know I am missing something simple (newbie
mistake):

put myVariable into word 5 of field "Field" in stack "SubStack"

What am I missing?  This statement works well for a field in the same
stack as the variable but I get the "can't find object" error when
trying to test to the subStack.

TIA,

Josh

On 7/28/05, Eric Chatonet <eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com> wrote:
> Hello Josh,
> 
> Just set the label of stack <stack name> to <My stuff && revision number>
> As for Google search, it works fine here.
> You might be interested by Resources Picker, a free plugin that searches the
> mail archives with 3 engines and does a lot of other work too.
> (Available on my website - address below)
> 
> Best Regards from Paris,
> 
> Eric Chatonet.
> 
> Le 28 juil. 05 ? 15:58, subzero569 a ?crit :
> 
> 
> I have a program in rev that uses an external txt file for importing 
> 
> some data to the program.  Is there a way to dynamically update the 
> 
> title bar version number of my program without going into the title 
> 
> property of the inspector? 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Basically, I would like to include a revision number in the text file 
> 
> and have this read into the title bar without having to recompile the 
> 
> build everytime I have to just update the txt file. 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Also, what happened to the google search for the archives?  It is very 
> 
> frustrating not being able to search the archives. 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> TIA, 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Josh
> 
>  
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> So Smart Software 
>   
> For institutions, companies and associations 
> Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. 
> Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch
> 
> Free plugins and tutorials on my website 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Web site        http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ 
> Email        eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ 
> Phone        33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 
> Mobile        33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>  


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From subzero569 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 28 16:13:31 2005
From: subzero569 at gmail.com (subzero569)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:13:31 -0400
Subject: Updating Title Bar
In-Reply-To: <42E8F6E8.9060307@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <8f8651c105072806586974edeb@mail.gmail.com>
	<42E8F6E8.9060307@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <8f8651c105072813135e689381@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Derek and everyone else.  The problem is solved.  The community
help is as excellent as ever.

Josh

On 7/28/05, Derek Bump <webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com> wrote:
> subzero569 wrote:
> > I have a program in rev that uses an external txt file for importing
> > some data to the program.  Is there a way to dynamically update the
> > title bar version number of my program without going into the title
> > property of the inspector?
> 
> I'm thinking instead of revOnline launching at startup that the
> Documentation should launch instead.
> 
> > Also, what happened to the google search for the archives?  It is very
> > frustrating not being able to search the archives.
> 
> Go to google's web site, type in the search term, then type a space  and
> the following...
> 
>     site:http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/
> 
> 
> Derek Bump
> Dreamscape Software
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From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Thu Jul 28 16:25:30 2005
From: FlexibleLearning at aol.com (FlexibleLearning at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:25:30 EDT
Subject: Scripter's Scrapbook Chat
Message-ID: <1d5.40e5c1ec.301a993a@aol.com>

Always a pleasure when a satisfied ssbk user reports back to the list,  
especially from a guru! You can try the Scripter's Scrapbook (it includes  
ssBkChat) for yourself at the address below for a 30-day free trial and purchase  your 
personal keys at any time during or after the trial period. Just click the  
'Purchase' option on the startup screen.
 
Meanwhile, ssBkChat is available for free as an independent stack at  
www.FlexibleLearning.com/ssbk/modules/ssbkChat.zip
 
 
/H
The Scripter's Scrapbook
www.FlexibleLearning.com/ssbk.htm
 

Dan Shafer revdan at danshafer.com wrote:

>I just got off a chat  using Scripter's Scrapbook new chat capability.  
>Hugh took ChatRev  and did a complete rewrite and created a very  
>usable UI for it.  Makes a nice experience.
>
>This tool gets more and more valuable  all the time for me. Today I  
>found two scripts in it that answered  questions I had on a current  
>project. I was able to adapt those  scripts and get stuff done in  
>minutes that I had scheduled a  couple of hours for.
>
>So now I'm going to have a more leisurely  lunch than I would have  
>been able to have. Thanks,  Hugh!
>
>(DISCLAIMER. I don't get anything whether you buy it or  not. I'm not  
>part of the company. I just think it's a cool and  useful  tool.)
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Dan  Shafer, Revolution Consultant and  Author
>http://www.shafermedia.com
>Get my book, "Revolution:  Software at the Speed of Thought"
>From http://www.revolutionpros.com,  Click "My Stuff"
 


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Jul 28 16:30:52 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:30:52 -0500
Subject: Scripter's Scrapbook Chat
In-Reply-To: <D1AAC15C-96C1-473B-8BB1-D2F199149617@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <BF0EAAAC.268F6%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 7/28/05 3:04 PM, "Dan Shafer" <revdan at danshafer.com> wrote:

> I just got off a chat using Scripter's Scrapbook new chat capability.
> Hugh took ChatRev and did a complete rewrite and created a very
> usable UI for it. Makes a nice experience.
> 
> This tool gets more and more valuable all the time for me. Today I
> found two scripts in it that answered questions I had on a current
> project. I was able to adapt those scripts and get stuff done in
> minutes that I had scheduled a couple of hours for.
> 
> So now I'm going to have a more leisurely lunch than I would have
> been able to have. Thanks, Hugh!
> 
> http://www.flexiblelearning.com
> 
> (DISCLAIMER. I don't get anything whether you buy it or not. I'm not
> part of the company. I just think it's a cool and useful tool.)

One of the nice things I like about using the chat *in* Scripter's Scrapbook
(as opposed to the new 'plugin only' form) is that you can send entries
directly from one person to another. So if you and I were talking on a chat,
and you were having trouble with something that I had the answer to in my
scrapbook, I could just send you the entry directly.

Cool stuff...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com





From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Jul 28 17:00:03 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:00:03 -0700
Subject: colors as constants
In-Reply-To: <p062102cbbf0e15dd407c@[192\.168\.2\.153]>
References: <BF0D2D35.2B9DB%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<42E814BF.1030505@hyperactivesw.com>
	<p062102cbbf0e15dd407c@[192.168.2.153]>
Message-ID: <6318131081.20050728140003@ahsoftware.net>

Jeanne-

Wednesday, July 27, 2005, 10:01:50 PM, you wrote:

JAED> Actually, the color names aren't true constants (that is, they aren't
JAED> in the constantNames). They're literals; as with other one-word 
JAED> literals, you can get away with not quoting them, but as you note
JAED> it's not good practice.

Yes, I got taken to task for this a while back. And here's why it's
not a good idea to treat colors as constants (I do consider this a
flaw in Transcript, by the way - I think they should be added to the
list of contantNames):

on mouseUp
  local red
  
  put "hello" into red
  put red into msg
end mouseUp

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Jul 28 17:03:39 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:03:39 -0700
Subject: Crossword Generator
In-Reply-To: <FD5C7A6B-6726-454C-AF5C-135FDDDC66DF@canelasoftware.com>
References: <2397B171-9EC6-40CF-906F-3DC0EEF83688@charter.net>
	<3942492420.20050727215538@ahsoftware.net>
	<7812B59E-464F-413C-93F9-06A384E14F5B@charter.net>
	<A31582F2-DE95-43E8-8E7D-E8A4172EAC6D@canelasoftware.com>
	<426C2C5E-FBA9-4F67-86BE-897BBB064A17@charter.net>
	<FD5C7A6B-6726-454C-AF5C-135FDDDC66DF@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <9218347302.20050728140339@ahsoftware.net>

Mark-

Thursday, July 28, 2005, 9:53:12 AM, you wrote:

MT> I got very close to creating one along with a Word Search program.
MT> Due to the state of education market at this time, it would not be
MT> worth the development and marketing costs.

It's also a fairly crowded market, I don't hear a call for Yet Another
Crossword Program. I do have to admit, though, that I'm not very
intrigued by the quality of the results of the commercial ones I've
seen. You can usually tell when something's been generated by a
program.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From ljk144 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 28 17:22:36 2005
From: ljk144 at gmail.com (Levi Kendall)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:22:36 -0400
Subject: possible imagesource bug
Message-ID: <f4ebb195050728142259cdc3b0@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

  I'm using the imagesource property on characters of text within a
field to display images (I'm assuming this is the best way to do
that).  Anyway, what my problem using it has been is when the cursor
is immediately in front of an image in the field, any letter that gets
pressed (or even spacebar / numbers / etc) will assume the imagesource
property for that character, and the character that was originally
being used for the image (with imagesource) will be placed after the
image in the field.  Essentially what this is like if you are looking
at it happen is the new char is pushing the old char out of the image.
 The result I'm looking for is to have the new character placed in
front of the image (this would be the expected result I would say). 
Has anyone experienced this or found a solution for it?  This behavior
seems odd to me so I'm guessing this is not working as intended?

-Levi


From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Thu Jul 28 17:37:44 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:37:44 -0400
Subject: rotating images
In-Reply-To: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376098B@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376098B@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
Message-ID: <b57b858ef58fb389a553499134c9d999@adelphia.net>

Ban,

I would handle this at the card level via:

on openCard
	send myImageRotate to me in 10 seconds
end openCard

on myImageRotate
	-- do your repeat loop here to both rotate and cycle through your 
images
	-- maybe use a counter for what image we are on at this time through

	send myImageRotate to me in 10 seconds
end myImageRotate

HTH

Tom

On Jul 28, 2005, at 4:01 PM, Ban Nguyen wrote:
>
> Do the images sit on top of each other? or are they side by side?
> On top:
> Do you want one image to appear and then rotate in ten seconds and Then
> disappear and be replaced by image 2 which then rotates in ten seconds
> to disappear and be replaced by image 3 etc.
>
>
> Yes, the images sit on top of each other.  I want image 1 appears then 
> 10 sec image 2 appear then 1 sec image 3 appear..........back to image 
> 1 and so on
>
>
> I have one main stack which has 5 cards.  I want these images keep 
> changing while user click to go to another card
>
> Thanks for your help
>



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Jul 28 17:47:22 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:47:22 +0200
Subject: possible imagesource bug
In-Reply-To: <f4ebb195050728142259cdc3b0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f4ebb195050728142259cdc3b0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C256589F-4BF8-49A5-AA17-62EE21409C79@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Levi,

The engine does not assign an image to a character but to the  
location of a character.
Besides you write:
   set the imageSource of char 1 of line 2 of field "This" to 2533
And not:
   set the imageSource of z to 2533 :-)

In practice, it's very rare to let the user handle images in an  
*editable* field.
Usually imageSource is used in locked fields: imagine if the user  
clears an image, he will not be able to restore it later :-)

You might consider imageSource as an "hidden" html feature: <img  
src="image ID">
If you look at the html text of a field where you have changed a  
"character location" for an image you will see it.

Le 28 juil. 05 ? 23:22, Levi Kendall a ?crit :

>   I'm using the imagesource property on characters of text within a
> field to display images (I'm assuming this is the best way to do
> that).  Anyway, what my problem using it has been is when the cursor
> is immediately in front of an image in the field, any letter that gets
> pressed (or even spacebar / numbers / etc) will assume the imagesource
> property for that character, and the character that was originally
> being used for the image (with imagesource) will be placed after the
> image in the field.  Essentially what this is like if you are looking
> at it happen is the new char is pushing the old char out of the image.
>  The result I'm looking for is to have the new character placed in
> front of the image (this would be the expected result I would say).
> Has anyone experienced this or found a solution for it?  This behavior
> seems odd to me so I'm guessing this is not working as intended?

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From revdan at danshafer.com  Thu Jul 28 18:35:40 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:35:40 -0700
Subject: Scripter's Scrapbook Chat
In-Reply-To: <BF0EAAAC.268F6%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <BF0EAAAC.268F6%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <FAFE0BB4-73BD-41FF-92F7-2EFA26B97D46@danshafer.com>

Ken....

Yeah, that is way cool. In fact, Hugh and I used that feature today.  
It is so seamless. And frankly file transfer in general was more  
stable and reliable in this app than it is in my everyday multi- 
protocol chat client where file transfers are a crap shoot.


On Jul 28, 2005, at 1:30 PM, Ken Ray wrote:

> One of the nice things I like about using the chat *in* Scripter's  
> Scrapbook
> (as opposed to the new 'plugin only' form) is that you can send  
> entries
> directly from one person to another. So if you and I were talking  
> on a chat,
> and you were having trouble with something that I had the answer to  
> in my
> scrapbook, I could just send you the entry directly.
>



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author
http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
 From http://www.revolutionpros.com, Click "My Stuff"





From userev at canelasoftware.com  Thu Jul 28 18:44:59 2005
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:44:59 -0700
Subject: Crossword Generator
In-Reply-To: <9218347302.20050728140339@ahsoftware.net>
References: <2397B171-9EC6-40CF-906F-3DC0EEF83688@charter.net>
	<3942492420.20050727215538@ahsoftware.net>
	<7812B59E-464F-413C-93F9-06A384E14F5B@charter.net>
	<A31582F2-DE95-43E8-8E7D-E8A4172EAC6D@canelasoftware.com>
	<426C2C5E-FBA9-4F67-86BE-897BBB064A17@charter.net>
	<FD5C7A6B-6726-454C-AF5C-135FDDDC66DF@canelasoftware.com>
	<9218347302.20050728140339@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <06F46772-A4B9-4A79-A97B-1C7A26110F11@canelasoftware.com>


On Jul 28, 2005, at 2:03 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> MT> I got very close to creating one along with a Word Search program.
> MT> Due to the state of education market at this time, it would not be
> MT> worth the development and marketing costs.
>
> It's also a fairly crowded market, I don't hear a call for Yet Another
> Crossword Program. I do have to admit, though, that I'm not very
> intrigued by the quality of the results of the commercial ones I've
> seen. You can usually tell when something's been generated by a
> program.

This is very true.  At the time, I had the opportunity to write one  
that would have gone in just about every teacher store in the U.S.   
The margins for Ed Software Tools these days are just not as  
lucrative as the private sector applications.  There was a time when  
it was good enough to financially justify the time spent.  Luckily, I  
receive a great deal of pleasure making tools in this market while my  
other projects help to subsidize the expenses.


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Thu Jul 28 19:13:22 2005
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 18:13:22 -0500
Subject: MacOS X Status Icon
Message-ID: <42E96692.3060803@dreamscapesoftware.com>

A while ago someone posted a script for doing a very good representation 
of the MacOS X status icon that is usually seen when you first boot a 
new Macintosh.

Does anyone still have this script?  I would like to use it for a status 
icon in one of my projects.  If anyone has it could you please send me a 
copy of the script.

Thanks!


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
_______________________________________________
Compress Photos for the Web with JPEGCompress
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/


From revdan at danshafer.com  Thu Jul 28 20:56:48 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:56:48 -0700
Subject: [OT] Windows Command Help
Message-ID: <4150AA55-8E20-4472-B560-4E517CC282CD@danshafer.com>

In OS X, I can issue the shell command "launch" followed by a  
document path and the system opens that document with the appropriate  
app.

Is there an equivalent command/syntax for Windows? I tried "start"  
but if I give it a document path, it opens a new command window but  
doesn't do anything.

Thanks in advance for any help for the Windows-challenged.




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author
http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
 From http://www.revolutionpros.com, Click "My Stuff"





From b.xavier at internet.lu  Thu Jul 28 21:24:36 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 03:24:36 +0200
Subject: [OT] Windows Command Help
In-Reply-To: <4150AA55-8E20-4472-B560-4E517CC282CD@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <20050729011340.05751824FF4@mail.runrev.com>

Hi Dan

It's funny to see MacOS - no-to-CLIs - crowd do it in Unix and not in DOS ;0

what you need is something like 
c:\notepad <pathtomyfile>
or notepad.exe <path to myfile"
or <pathtoapp> <path to file> should work...

BUT this will block Rev... :(

so shell("start" && quote && appspath && docpath && quote should work...)

cheers
Xavier 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Dan Shafer
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 02:57
> To: Revolution List
> Subject: [OT] Windows Command Help
> 
> In OS X, I can issue the shell command "launch" followed by a 
> document path and the system opens that document with the 
> appropriate app.
> 
> Is there an equivalent command/syntax for Windows? I tried "start"  
> but if I give it a document path, it opens a new command 
> window but doesn't do anything.
> 
> Thanks in advance for any help for the Windows-challenged.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author 
> http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, "Revolution: Software 
> at the Speed of Thought"
>  From http://www.revolutionpros.com, Click "My Stuff"
> 
> 
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From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 28 21:50:45 2005
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 18:50:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Justify text in a field
In-Reply-To: <20050728141047.008C8824EA9@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20050729015046.53394.qmail@web40528.mail.yahoo.com>

on Thu, 28 Jul 2005 
Jonathan Lynch wrote:

> As long as a field is wide enough, and a given
> screen line contains
> enough words, manipulating expanded and condensed
> characters should make
> this possible - sounds kind of difficult to me.

Yes, That's what i thought. :-(

on Thu, 28 Jul 2005 
xavier wrote:

> Actually IT IS POSSIBLE!!!
> Jonathan flipped my mind switch back in gear ;)
> Give a field's width w and the formattedwidth of the
> text in line l...
> you might have to add each word's formattedwith (and
> get pissed off
> at the definition of a word in rev) - then divide
> the difference by 
> the number of words in the line and then insert
> "tiny" spaces in between
> the words... This should do the trick...

I agree, but the ideal could be to use
unicode fonts, that have many spaces of 
different width. :-D

<http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/chars/spaces.html>
<http://www.microsoft.com/typography/developers/fdsspec/spaces.htm>


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From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Thu Jul 28 22:14:21 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:14:21 +1000
Subject: request for script or stack
In-Reply-To: <p06200709bf0e9d1c8f8a@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <p06200701bf0dc91adf09@[10.0.1.2]>
	<FB40B08D-3C68-45C3-B526-1380361DB64B@genesearch.com.au>
	<p06200702bf0df74eb365@[10.0.1.2]>
	<67D10B02-FC9E-49CE-BA7D-F574CECFD78A@genesearch.com.au>
	<p06200709bf0e9d1c8f8a@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <4CA6F69D-20C5-4EC9-83D8-B0E541A9AF7B@genesearch.com.au>

> Your find script works really well! It doesn't cycle through the  
> same page when there's more than one hit on the same page. That's  
> great! Scrolling fields will scroll to show the hit. Scrolling  
> fields containing multiple hits will scroll to show multiple hits,  
> if necessary. This is almost perfect!
Thanks.
>
> It seems like this ought to be native to Rev. It's silly that it  
> has to be scripted. Is that an enhancement request that's already  
> been submitted?
>
> I don't quite understand how your script works yet -- I'm kind of  
> slow at that -- but I'll study it and figure it out.
>
> If I could wish for one enhancement, the script would scroll a  
> scrolling background so I could see the hit if it were otherwise  
> scrolled out of sight. I'm not asking you to script that for me. Is  
> it scriptable? If so, could you drop me a hint?
After the find command has done, check "the foundChunk" and see what  
it gives you. You could select it, which would automatically set the  
scroll. Or you could work out which line it is and set the vScroll of  
the field, but that might be tricky if the text is wrapping.

>
> Regarding the find and replace window, it sounds like yours works a  
> zillion times faster than mine. Any ideas about why that could be?  
> My computer isn't a screamer. It's a 466 mhz G4.
Mine's a 700 MHz G4, so it shouldn't be vastly different. And you  
have more RAM than me, so that isn't it either. Sorry, I'm stumped.  
The only suggestion I have is to make sure you are limiting your  
searches to a specific stack and only one one aspect e.g. fields or  
scripts. Do you have any of the check boxes on the left checked? I  
never use them and I guess turning on "Case sensitive" could slow  
things down.

Checking through the Find script used by Rev, it uses either a  
matchText function (if you selected RegEx) or a simple "if myString  
is in ..." to find stuff. However it also uses a technique that I  
hadn't come across before but looks very useful:
     set allowInterrupts to false  -- this stops people interrupting  
the script whenever they like
     periodically, check "the interrupt" which tells you if someone  
has tried to interrupt the script. This allows you to handle  
interruptions gracefully and only when you want to.

However, the Find script checks this once for each object that it  
searches so it seems really weird if it is taking 10 - 15 seconds per  
object.

Sorry not to be more helpful,
Sarah



From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Thu Jul 28 22:24:37 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:24:37 +1000
Subject: MacOS X Status Icon
In-Reply-To: <42E96692.3060803@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <42E96692.3060803@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <F59E14B6-6B62-440E-A287-689127370524@genesearch.com.au>

Hi Derek,

I had the original stack, posted I think by Wilhelm Sanke (forgive me  
if I have got this wrong). It is very neat and I use it in one of my  
apps very successfully. I have emailed the stack to you directly.

Cheers,
Sarah

On 29/07/2005, at 9:15 AM, Derek Bump wrote:

> A while ago someone posted a script for doing a very good  
> representation of the MacOS X status icon that is usually seen when  
> you first boot a new Macintosh.
>
> Does anyone still have this script?  I would like to use it for a  
> status icon in one of my projects.  If anyone has it could you  
> please send me a copy of the script.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> Derek Bump
> Dreamscape Software



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jul 28 22:33:13 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:33:13 -0500
Subject: Load URL doesn't send message
Message-ID: <42E99569.3090000@hyperactivesw.com>

I'm using libURL 1.1.3b1 (apparently what ships with 2.6) and can't get 
a message when the URL is done. I'm trying:

  load url tURL with message "myMsg"

No message is sent. Is it just me?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From b.xavier at internet.lu  Thu Jul 28 22:36:33 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 04:36:33 +0200
Subject: Justify text in a field
In-Reply-To: <20050729015046.53394.qmail@web40528.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050729022531.0292C824FFF@mail.runrev.com>

Al

> I agree, but the ideal could be to use
> unicode fonts, that have many spaces of different width. :-D
> 
> <http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/chars/spaces.html>
> <http://www.microsoft.com/typography/developers/fdsspec/spaces.htm>
> 

I didn't know that! Just learned something!

Here's my old monospace script, im sure you can adjust it for modern times
;)
Please share your improvements to it ;)

Im working on a special editor and this could make it in after all...

cheers
Xavier

on mouseUp
  put cd fld "linewidth" into lineWidth
  put cd fld "Lmargin" into Lmargin
  put cd fld "Rmargin" into Rmargin
  put cd fld "Indent" into Indent
  put hilite of cd btn "full justification" into fulljustification
  
  if indent<0 then
    put Stringfill("L", Lmargin+indent ) into L
  else put Stringfill("L", Lmargin ) into L
  put Stringfill("R", Rmargin ) into R
  put Stringfill("I", abs(indent)  ) into I
  put Stringfill("-", linewidth-(Lmargin+Rmargin)-indent ) into P
  
  -- LIPR for left right indent and paragraph start
  get L & I & P & R
  put L & I & P & R into cd fld "Ruler"
  
  put setmonospacestyle(cd fld "input",selectedtext of cd btn
"alignment",lineWidth,\
      Lmargin, Rmargin, Indent,fulljustification) into cd fld "output"
  -- text you want to limitlength
end mouseUp

function setmonospacestyle
thetext,alignment,Paraglinewidth,LMargin,RMargin,Indent,fulljustification
  
  put Paraglinewidth - (LMargin + RMargin) into linewidth
  
  if LMargin<>0
  then put StringFill(" ",LMargin) into LMargintxt
  else put "" into LMargintxt
  
  if LMargin<>0
  then put StringFill(" ",RMargin) into RMargintxt
  else put "" into RMargintxt
  
  if indent>0
  then put StringFill(" ",indent) into indenttxt
  else put "" into indenttxt
  
  put 0 into thislinelen
  put "" into thisline
  put "" into output
  
  repeat with y = 1 to the number of lines in thetext
    put line y of thetext into theline
    
    put theline <> "" into isindented
    if isindented then put indenttxt before thisline
    put the number of words in theline into thelinewordcount
    repeat with x = 1 to thelinewordcount
      
      set cursor to busy
      
      put word x of theline into thisword
      put the length of thisword into thiswordlen
      
      if (isindented and (thislinelen+thiswordlen+1 - indent) > linewidth)
or\
          (thislinelen+thiswordlen+1) > linewidth then
        
        if char 1 of thisline = " " then delete char 1 of thisline
        
        if isindented and indent<0 and LMargin>abs(indent)
        then put StringFill(" ",LMargin+indent) before thisline
        else if LMargin>0 then put LMarginTxt before thisline
        
        if RMargin>0 then put RMarginTxt after thisline
        
        
        if the number of words in thisline > 0 then
          if      alignment = "Center"  then
            put AlignCenterTxtString(thisline,lineWidth) into thisline
            
          else if alignment = "Right"   then
            
            put AlignRightTxtString(thisline,lineWidth) into thisline
            
          else if alignment = "Justify" then
            
            if x < thelinewordcount
            then put AlignJustifyTxtString(thisline,lineWidth) into thisline
            
          end if
        end if
        
        put return & thisline after output
        put thisword into thisline
        put thiswordlen into thislinelen
        put false into isindented
        
      else
        
        if thisline="" then
          put thisword into thisline
        else put " " & thisword after thisline
        put length(thisline) into thislinelen
        --add thiswordlen+1 to thislinelen
        
      end if
    end repeat
    
    if char 1 of thisline = " " then delete char 1 of thisline
    
    if isindented and indent<0 and LMargin>abs(indent)
    then put StringFill(" ",LMargin+indent) before thisline
    else if LMargin>0 then put LMarginTxt before thisline
    -- if indent<0 and LMargin>indent
    -- then put StringFill(" ",LMargin+indent) before thisline
    -- else if LMargin>0 then put LMarginTxt before thisline
    if RMargin>0 then put RMarginTxt after thisline
    
    if the number of words in thisline > 0 then
      
      if      alignment = "Center"  then
        put AlignCenterTxtString(thisline,lineWidth) into thisline
        
      else if alignment = "Right"   then
        
        put AlignRightTxtString(thisline,lineWidth) into thisline
        
        -- you don't justify last line of paragraph unless fullJustified
      else if alignment = "Justify" and fulljustification then
        put AlignJustifyTxtString(thisline,lineWidth) into thisline
        
      end if
    end if
    
    put return & thisline after output
    put "" into thisline
    put 0 into thislinelen
    
  end repeat
  
  delete char 1 of output
  return output
  
end setmonospacestyle


function StringFill what,anum
  if anum=0 then return ""
  put "" into out
  repeat with x = 1 to anum
    put what after out
  end repeat
  return out
end StringFill

function textmonospaceCenter txt,alen,margin
  put "" into thisline
  put length(txt) into textlen
  -- generate white chars
  get (alen-textlen)
  repeat it
    put " " after thisline
  end repeat
  
  put it div 2 into textoffset
  put txt after char textoffset of thisline
  return thisline
end textmonospaceCenter

--
function AlignCenterTxtString thisline,lineWidth
  put linewidth-length(thisline) into diff
  put diff div 2 into offspace
  put stringfill(" ",offspace) into offsetspacetxt
  put offsetspacetxt&thisline&offsetspacetxt into thisline
  return thisline
end AlignCenterTxtString

function AlignRightTxtString thisline,lineWidth
  repeat while last char of thisline = " "
    delete last char of thisline
  end repeat
  
  put linewidth-length(thisline) into diff
  put stringfill(" ",diff) into offsetspacetxt
  put offsetspacetxt&thisline into thisline
  return thisline
end AlignRightTxtString

function AlignJustifyTxtString thisline,lineWidth
  put length(thisline) into lenline
  put linewidth-lenline into diff
  if diff>0 then
    put the number of words in thisline into linewords
    put 0 into wordsep
    put 0 into spacesteps
    if diff>linewords and linewords>2 then
      put linewords into wordsep
      put diff div (linewords-1) into spacesteps
    end if
  else if diff>1 then
    put linewords-1 into wordsep
    put (linewords div diff-1) into spacesteps
  end if
  put stringfill(" ",spacesteps) into spacerun
  repeat with z = 2 to wordsep --step bystep
    if the length of thisline >= linewidth then exit repeat
    put spacerun before word z of thisline
  end repeat
  --end if
  return thisline
end AlignJustifyTxtString



From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Thu Jul 28 22:35:03 2005
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:35:03 -0500
Subject: MacOS X Status Icon
In-Reply-To: <F59E14B6-6B62-440E-A287-689127370524@genesearch.com.au>
References: <42E96692.3060803@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<F59E14B6-6B62-440E-A287-689127370524@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <42E995D7.9050709@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> I had the original stack, posted I think by Wilhelm Sanke (forgive me  
> if I have got this wrong). It is very neat and I use it in one of my  
> apps very successfully. I have emailed the stack to you directly.

Sarah you're a life-saver!  Ok, well, it really wasn't a life and death 
situation, but thank you!  I appreciate it. :)


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
_______________________________________________
Compress Photos for the Web with JPEGCompress
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Jul 28 16:04:34 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:04:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Crossword Generator
References: <2397B171-9EC6-40CF-906F-3DC0EEF83688@charter.net>
	<bd721f3bbfe0074e973994db076df2d9@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <Xns96A18563668Dspamfilter@80.91.229.5>

Tom-

> I made an iconic crossword generator that uses icons in sequences 
> instead letters in sequences (as words). The icon sequences 'represent' 
> words and phrases. Is that close enough???
> 
> I did a few error checking things to see if the last icon of line 1 is 
> the first icon of line 2 or if the second icon of down 5 is the last 
> icon in 6 across etc. I did cheat though because if there were not 
> enough words to create it then I just had the thing try a whole new 
> generation instead of rearranging the ones I had. Also, I then had to 
> error check to make sure the same sequence was not used twice etc.

That sounds very interesting. Have you posted this somewhere? How are you 
ensuring the same sequence hasn't already been used? 

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From b.xavier at internet.lu  Thu Jul 28 22:45:10 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 04:45:10 +0200
Subject: Load URL doesn't send message
In-Reply-To: <42E99569.3090000@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <20050729023408.E76E882501F@mail.runrev.com>

Hi Jacque,

Works fine in the DiscreteBrowser...

on windows... But first i tried, it crashed rev... 
grrr at least something is not working :)

Xav

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> J. Landman Gay
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 04:33
> To: Revolution Mailing List
> Subject: Load URL doesn't send message
> 
> I'm using libURL 1.1.3b1 (apparently what ships with 2.6) and 
> can't get a message when the URL is done. I'm trying:
> 
>   load url tURL with message "myMsg"
> 
> No message is sent. Is it just me?
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Thu Jul 28 22:45:23 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:45:23 +1000
Subject: Load URL doesn't send message
In-Reply-To: <42E99569.3090000@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <42E99569.3090000@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C79A8238-6E7F-4430-A128-38B57E1361CA@genesearch.com.au>

> I'm using libURL 1.1.3b1 (apparently what ships with 2.6) and can't  
> get a message when the URL is done. I'm trying:
>
>  load url tURL with message "myMsg"
>
> No message is sent. Is it just me?
>
It's working for me, with the same version. Do you get anything if  
you check "the result" right after the "load" command?
Is there an restriction about where the callback handler has to be? I  
always put it in the same object, but I don't know if that matters.

Cheers,
Sarah



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Jul 28 22:51:02 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:51:02 -0700
Subject: [OT] Windows Command Help
In-Reply-To: <20050729011340.05751824FF4@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050729011340.05751824FF4@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <2039189842.20050728195102@ahsoftware.net>

MisterX-

Thursday, July 28, 2005, 6:24:36 PM, you wrote:

M> It's funny to see MacOS - no-to-CLIs - crowd do it in Unix and not in DOS ;0

I agree. My first experience with a Mac in 1984 was something similar.
"Where's the command line?", "How do you delete a file?", etc. I had
to be shown step by step.

But...

get shell("start" && tPathToDocument) -- works for me

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Thu Jul 28 22:53:21 2005
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:53:21 +1000
Subject: Cloning stacks invisibly?
In-Reply-To: <20050621121627.BE85A93014D@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050621121627.BE85A93014D@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <cacd22767f3c1993a04690199787d7bf@unimelb.edu.au>

Is there any way to clone a stack invisibly? I've tried setting the loc 
of the stack to be cloned offscreen but the newly cloned stack still 
appears onscreen (at least under OSX).

Any ideas?

Cheers,

Terry...

Dr Terry Judd
Lecturer in Educational Technology (Design)
Biomedical Multimedia Unit
Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences
The University of Melbourne
Parkville VIC 3052
AUSTRALIA



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jul 28 22:55:43 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:55:43 -0700
Subject: [OT] Determining shippability
Message-ID: <42E99AAF.7050501@fourthworld.com>

I think we'd all like to be among the few developers in the world who 
ship perfect software, but in reality nearly all software gets shipped 
with known bugs.

I was reading this article on criteria for shipping 
<http://www.satisfice.com/articles/good_enough_quality.pdf>, and it had 
me curious:

What criteria do you folks use to decide when to do more bug 
testing/fixing and when to ship?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com



From briany at qldlearning.com  Thu Jul 28 23:13:31 2005
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:13:31 -0700
Subject: Load URL doesn't send message
In-Reply-To: <42E99569.3090000@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <42E99569.3090000@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <d182c96d232b6ec72b2e86e2265e5e0e@qldlearning.com>

Jacque,

I've seen this happen occasionally, but it has been the exception and 
not the rule. What I can say is that libURL will sometimes error out in 
"load url" and never send the message even though it should. The only 
way I've found to deal with this is to monitor the openSockets myself 
and assume that if the socket for that URL closes and I still haven't 
heard anything, there was an error.

HTH,

- Brian

> I'm using libURL 1.1.3b1 (apparently what ships with 2.6) and can't 
> get a message when the URL is done. I'm trying:
>
>  load url tURL with message "myMsg"
>
> No message is sent. Is it just me?
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Thu Jul 28 23:53:42 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:53:42 -0400
Subject: Crossword Generator
In-Reply-To: <Xns96A18563668Dspamfilter@80.91.229.5>
References: <2397B171-9EC6-40CF-906F-3DC0EEF83688@charter.net>
	<bd721f3bbfe0074e973994db076df2d9@adelphia.net>
	<Xns96A18563668Dspamfilter@80.91.229.5>
Message-ID: <40172e4e256dcee5a732a0bd83d463bb@adelphia.net>

Mark,

That's the part I cheated at. What I did was since the script was very 
fast in generating I waited until it was done and then checked for 
doubles, if there was a double then I just had it start over. I have 
seen it start over once but most times with my random choices it works 
on the first try.  If I were to finalize this game I would fix that 
part.

I was in a hurry then because I had to create nine games in under a 
week to coincide with my rebuild of the MM Director project in Rev. It 
is a prototype of my designs for a UI with icons for pda's and phones. 
I did create three text based trivia type games and four moving tiles 
based games and the one crossicons game.

I would post the whole project if I could get permission. Right now the 
company got the funding and we are waiting for the lawyers to finish.

I will post a link once I have the permission. It isn't complete but 
does work enough to prototype and is very complicated.

P.S. To get a better random of a list I sort the lines by random the 
number of lines and then filter what was left over into a temp variable 
then do the next few randoms on the new list etc. But not too far 
because the list gets smaller over time then I do a new random sort of 
the num of lines over again.

Random is not very random and usually requires a random of the random 
and then random again to make sure it is random enough.


Random,
Tom


On Jul 28, 2005, at 4:04 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Tom-
>
>> I made an iconic crossword generator that uses icons in sequences
>> instead letters in sequences (as words). The icon sequences 
>> 'represent'
>> words and phrases. Is that close enough???
>>
>> I did a few error checking things to see if the last icon of line 1 is
>> the first icon of line 2 or if the second icon of down 5 is the last
>> icon in 6 across etc. I did cheat though because if there were not
>> enough words to create it then I just had the thing try a whole new
>> generation instead of rearranging the ones I had. Also, I then had to
>> error check to make sure the same sequence was not used twice etc.
>
> That sounds very interesting. Have you posted this somewhere? How are 
> you
> ensuring the same sequence hasn't already been used?
>
> -- 
>  Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
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Macintosh PowerBook G-4 OSX 10.3.9, OS 9.2.2, 1.25 GHz, 512MB RAM, Rev 
2.6


Advanced Media Group
Eagle Works Art & Sculpture
Semantic Compaction Systems
Prentke Romich Company
Prentke Romich International
SCIconics, LLC
Artist
Thomas J McGrath III
3mcgrath at adelphia.net





From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jul 29 00:14:50 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:14:50 -0500
Subject: Load URL doesn't send message
In-Reply-To: <d182c96d232b6ec72b2e86e2265e5e0e@qldlearning.com>
References: <42E99569.3090000@hyperactivesw.com>
	<d182c96d232b6ec72b2e86e2265e5e0e@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <42E9AD3A.8050402@hyperactivesw.com>

Brian Yennie wrote:
 > Jacque,
 >
 > I've seen this happen occasionally, but it has been the exception and
 > not the rule. What I can say is that libURL will sometimes error out in
 > "load url" and never send the message even though it should. The only
 > way I've found to deal with this is to monitor the openSockets myself
 > and assume that if the socket for that URL closes and I still haven't
 > heard anything, there was an error.

I've got more info now. I am using a status-checking handler that looks 
at the urlstatus and updates a progress bar if the status is "loading". 
If I run that handler, I get no message sent when the loading is done.

If I comment out that handler and ignore the status, then I get a 
message sent. Mostly. Sometimes it doesn't work. My last 10 tests or so, 
nothing worked at all; I'm getting empty status back and no file. Of 
course, if I don't use the status handler, then I can't update the 
progress bar.

My compromise is to call the message myself when the status is "cached" 
and that seems to work okay. But I can't figure out why no message is 
sent by libURL.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jul 29 00:20:29 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:20:29 -0500
Subject: Load URL doesn't send message
In-Reply-To: <C79A8238-6E7F-4430-A128-38B57E1361CA@genesearch.com.au>
References: <42E99569.3090000@hyperactivesw.com>
	<C79A8238-6E7F-4430-A128-38B57E1361CA@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <42E9AE8D.8000702@hyperactivesw.com>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>> I'm using libURL 1.1.3b1 (apparently what ships with 2.6) and can't  
>> get a message when the URL is done. I'm trying:
>>
>>  load url tURL with message "myMsg"
>>
>> No message is sent. Is it just me?
>>
> It's working for me, with the same version. Do you get anything if  you 
> check "the result" right after the "load" command?

No, it's empty.

> Is there an restriction about where the callback handler has to be? I  
> always put it in the same object, but I don't know if that matters.

The libURL docs say it needs to be in the same script, and mine is.

What handlers are you using? Do you do a urlStatus check with a progress 
bar? That seems to be part of the problem, near as I can tell. Of 
course, I could be doing something dumb.


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From revdan at danshafer.com  Fri Jul 29 01:01:12 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:01:12 -0700
Subject: [OT] Windows Command Help
In-Reply-To: <20050729011340.05751824FF4@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050729011340.05751824FF4@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <25E8DB4E-E3EB-4667-B0E8-7A24F8F707A7@danshafer.com>

The problem is I don't know the name or path of the app. On OS X,  
this doesn't matter. But it appears I cannot ask Windows to launch a  
document and expect it to figure out which app to use.

Great.

Dan

On Jul 28, 2005, at 6:24 PM, MisterX wrote:

> Hi Dan
>
> It's funny to see MacOS - no-to-CLIs - crowd do it in Unix and not  
> in DOS ;0
>
> what you need is something like
> c:\notepad <pathtomyfile>
> or notepad.exe <path to myfile"
> or <pathtoapp> <path to file> should work...
>
> BUT this will block Rev... :(
>
> so shell("start" && quote && appspath && docpath && quote should  
> work...)
>
> cheers
> Xavier
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
>> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of
>> Dan Shafer
>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 02:57
>> To: Revolution List
>> Subject: [OT] Windows Command Help
>>
>> In OS X, I can issue the shell command "launch" followed by a
>> document path and the system opens that document with the
>> appropriate app.
>>
>> Is there an equivalent command/syntax for Windows? I tried "start"
>> but if I give it a document path, it opens a new command
>> window but doesn't do anything.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any help for the Windows-challenged.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author
>> http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, "Revolution: Software
>> at the Speed of Thought"
>>  From http://www.revolutionpros.com, Click "My Stuff"
>>
>>
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From revdan at danshafer.com  Fri Jul 29 01:03:22 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:03:22 -0700
Subject: [OT] Windows Command Help
In-Reply-To: <2039189842.20050728195102@ahsoftware.net>
References: <20050729011340.05751824FF4@mail.runrev.com>
	<2039189842.20050728195102@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <7C68FA3F-7A11-4542-B469-E2634B329EE5@danshafer.com>

Not on this end.

Well, I should say that I tried it directly in the shell, not from  
Rev. There, I typed:

start "blah\blah\doc.pdf"

It opened a new command line window and stared at me.

I'll try it tomorrow from inside Rev.

Dan

On Jul 28, 2005, at 7:51 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> get shell("start" && tPathToDocument) -- works for me
>



From briany at qldlearning.com  Fri Jul 29 01:07:21 2005
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:07:21 -0700
Subject: [OT] Windows Command Help
In-Reply-To: <7C68FA3F-7A11-4542-B469-E2634B329EE5@danshafer.com>
References: <20050729011340.05751824FF4@mail.runrev.com>
	<2039189842.20050728195102@ahsoftware.net>
	<7C68FA3F-7A11-4542-B469-E2634B329EE5@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <376ee538845414253f12b87c4ae34dde@qldlearning.com>

Dan,

I'm all MacOS here, but I did notice a couple of things which might 
help you-

1) You may need the drive name, i.e.:

start "c:\blah\blah\doc.pdf"

2) When inside Rev, you can use the hideConsoleWindows property to hide 
the nasty window (or something close to that, don't have my reference 
handy).

HTH

- Brian

> Not on this end.
>
> Well, I should say that I tried it directly in the shell, not from 
> Rev. There, I typed:
>
> start "blah\blah\doc.pdf"
>
> It opened a new command line window and stared at me.
>
> I'll try it tomorrow from inside Rev.
>
> Dan
>
> On Jul 28, 2005, at 7:51 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>
>> get shell("start" && tPathToDocument) -- works for me
>>
>
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From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Jul 29 01:12:44 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:12:44 -0500
Subject: [OT] Determining shippability
In-Reply-To: <42E99AAF.7050501@fourthworld.com>
References: <42E99AAF.7050501@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <42E9BACC.4080409@chipp.com>

Interesting article indeed. Thanks for the link. Since I've been 
involved with developing and shipping software since the mid-80's here's 
my 2 cent take on it all.

Regarding shipping bug-free code: Things have changed radically!

It used to be, we would make every known effort to not ship a product 
with known bugs. But, there are 3 factors which have changed my 
perspective on this:

1) The overall complexity of software and perceived 'bugginess' by the user.

I really think MS is most to blame for this. People now 'expect' their 
software to not work correctly, because after all, their OS is reported 
unsecure and buggy every day in the media. When in fact, I believe there 
are less crashes and XP is more robust, the perception still exists 
'it's not quality software.' The simple fact is, when MS can't build a 
secure product, how can our clients expect us to?

Also, as more developers are involved and more feature creep and 
customer expectation of 'the new and advanced,' it just goes to reason 
the software will not be as robust.

RR is a good case in point. As many of us 'old timers' know, MC has a 
very primitive, yet 'bug free' IDE, which Scott Raney (father of the 
transcript engine) was adamant regarding NEVER shipping a release 
version of the engine or IDE with a confirmed bug.

Course, RR's IDE is much more capable, and much more complex, and 
therefore much more difficult to make 'bug-free.' If RR adopted Raney's 
approach, they'd never ship.

2) The understanding that budgets and schedules have for the most part 
gotten smaller.

Back 'in the day', we saw huge budgets for websites, multimedia 
projects, not to mention app development. But, with tools like RR, Real 
Basic, Java, .NET-- things have changed. Now, IT departments and 
marketing/sales managers are more savvy and understand better the real 
trade offs to get 90% there vs 100%, and often opt for the former.

3) *(the most important)* the ability (and perception) to update a 
customers product in realtime over the Internet.

People are connected to the net and used to updating their programs, 
OS'es, etc over the net. In fact, products frequently ship on-time but 
get a 'dot release' improvement soon thereafter. I really like this 
model, as it enables Altuit to rapidly respond to bug reports, feature 
requests, etc.. In fact, just last night, a customer asked for a rework 
of an existing feature, and I was able to do it, and post it, all within 
2 hours. From there on, all customers immediately get an update (via 
MagicCarpet AutoUpdate architecture) the next time they launch. Of 
course, imperative in this scheme is the ability to 'roll-back' versions 
as well.

Frankly, I believe many software products would benefit from a 
'subscription online auto-update' model. This would provide a deterrent 
to pirates, while maintaining contact with customers. It would also 
force developers to pay attention to quality and not just 'feature bloat.'

-Chipp


From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Fri Jul 29 01:31:47 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:31:47 +1000
Subject: Load URL doesn't send message
In-Reply-To: <42E9AE8D.8000702@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <42E99569.3090000@hyperactivesw.com>
	<C79A8238-6E7F-4430-A128-38B57E1361CA@genesearch.com.au>
	<42E9AE8D.8000702@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <102ED5CA-4FD3-4A77-8D29-96F8F9FD7B93@genesearch.com.au>

>>> I'm using libURL 1.1.3b1 (apparently what ships with 2.6) and  
>>> can't  get a message when the URL is done. I'm trying:
>>>
>>>  load url tURL with message "myMsg"
>>>
>>> No message is sent. Is it just me?
>>>
>>>
>> It's working for me, with the same version. Do you get anything  
>> if  you check "the result" right after the "load" command?
>
> What handlers are you using? Do you do a urlStatus check with a  
> progress bar? That seems to be part of the problem, near as I can  
> tell. Of course, I could be doing something dumb.

No, in the tests I was doing I just did the load with no progress  
checking, but I've just tried 2 different methods and they both worked.

Method 1:

on mouseUp
   put "http://www.whatismyip.com/" into sURL
   libURLSetStatusCallback "showProgress", the long ID of me
   load URL sURL with message gotPage
end doCheck

on showProgress  pURL, pStatus
   put the ticks && pStatus
end showProgress

on gotPage pURL, pStatus
   beep
   libURLSetStatusCallback
   -- do other processing
end gotPage


Method 2:

on mouseUp
   put "http://www.whatismyip.com/" into sURL
   load URL sURL with message gotPage
   showProgress
end doCheck

on showProgress
   put the URLStatus of sURL into tStatus
   put the ticks && tStatus
   if tStatus <> empty then send showProgress to me in 2 ticks
end showProgress

on gotPage pURL, pStatus
   beep
   -- do other processing
end gotPage

Both of these beeped as expected when the "gotPage" message arrived.  
I see that you put your callback name in quotes & I don't. Yours  
looks more correct, but it couldn't be doing weird things, could it?

Cheers,
Sarah


From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Fri Jul 29 01:43:32 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:43:32 +1000
Subject: Cloning stacks invisibly?
In-Reply-To: <cacd22767f3c1993a04690199787d7bf@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <20050621121627.BE85A93014D@mail.runrev.com>
	<cacd22767f3c1993a04690199787d7bf@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <3C6D7E1D-8A2F-4875-8A23-22223873568B@genesearch.com.au>

Hi Terry,

> Is there any way to clone a stack invisibly? I've tried setting the  
> loc of the stack to be cloned offscreen but the newly cloned stack  
> still appears onscreen (at least under OSX).
>
> Any ideas?
>

Here's what I do, which clones a stack & positions the clone invisibly:

BEFORE cloning the stack, set a custom property of the template  
stack. In this example, I set the cStoredRect of the template to the  
the rect I want. Then I have this handler in the stack or card script  
of the template stack:

on preOpenStack
   go invisible to this stack
   if the cStoredRect of this stack is not empty
   then set the rect of this stack to the cStoredRect of this stack
end preOpenStack

After changing the stack name & setting up the display, I then show  
the newly cloned stack. This works really well and I get no flickers.

HTH,
Sarah


From xbury.cs at clearstream.com  Fri Jul 29 02:17:32 2005
From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:17:32 +0200
Subject: [OT] Windows Command Help
In-Reply-To: <7C68FA3F-7A11-4542-B469-E2634B329EE5@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <OF1ED78FEC.D6304E09-ONC125704D.00225688-C125704D.002275D1@deutsche-boerse.com>

Dan

if you type 

echo %ProgramFiles%
you will get the path by default were apps are installed

you can do a find using the F3 or WindowKey+F and search for acrobat...

if the exe is not in your paths then, there's no way windows will go 
looking for it...

I just tried it
D:\NBU 5.0\Doc>start MediaMgr_AdminGuide_SSO.pdf
it works...

cheers
---------------------=---------------------
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use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 29/07/2005 07:03:22:

> Not on this end.
> 
> Well, I should say that I tried it directly in the shell, not from 
> Rev. There, I typed:
> 
> start "blah\blah\doc.pdf"
> 
> It opened a new command line window and stared at me.
> 
> I'll try it tomorrow from inside Rev.
> 
> Dan
> 
> On Jul 28, 2005, at 7:51 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> 
> > get shell("start" && tPathToDocument) -- works for me
> >
> 
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From revdan at danshafer.com  Fri Jul 29 02:39:01 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:39:01 -0700
Subject: [OT] Windows Command Help
In-Reply-To: <OF1ED78FEC.D6304E09-ONC125704D.00225688-C125704D.002275D1@deutsche-boerse.com>
References: <OF1ED78FEC.D6304E09-ONC125704D.00225688-C125704D.002275D1@deutsche-boerse.com>
Message-ID: <2D00304A-4F61-4A99-9B52-215D6ADF1763@danshafer.com>

Well, that's the secret, then.

Back to the drawing board. The shell solution is not acceptable. I am  
amazed (and shouldn't be) that a feature Mac OS has had for a long,  
long time is missing from the vastly more popular Windows OS.

Heh heh.

Dan

On Jul 28, 2005, at 11:17 PM, xbury.cs at clearstream.com wrote:

> if the exe is not in your paths then, there's no way windows will go
> looking for it...
>



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul 29 02:46:29 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:46:29 +0200
Subject: Load URL doesn't send message
In-Reply-To: <42E99569.3090000@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <42E99569.3090000@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <474CA4E1-254C-4808-BC39-7C05373A61C5@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Jacque,

I found this thread this morning.
As for me I don't use libUrl for downloading urls from the web.
As you mentioned it, I do prefer to run my own pending message,  
checking the urlStatus until it's "cached" (and updating a progress  
bar).
I send the message every 10 milliseconds since I noticed that it was  
necessary with light files/broadband connection.
To write my "Retrieving data from the web" tutorial, I tried many  
methods: this one appeared the most reliable.

My two cents.

Le 29 juil. 05 ? 04:33, J. Landman Gay a ?crit :

> I'm using libURL 1.1.3b1 (apparently what ships with 2.6) and can't  
> get a message when the URL is done. I'm trying:
>  load url tURL with message "myMsg"

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From revdan at danshafer.com  Fri Jul 29 02:50:14 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:50:14 -0700
Subject: Missing Script Code in Afterword of My Book
Message-ID: <34CD5D36-A173-4185-B114-8EB8590A6FC3@danshafer.com>

How in the world this error has stayed unreported for so long is  
beyond me. I am afraid to think about what it means that nobody has  
reported this until now.

But if you'll go to http://www.revolutionpros.com, click on "My  
Stuff" and check out the errata there you'll find a missing script  
from the To Do sample at the back of my book.

I'm ashamed.




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author
http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
 From http://www.revolutionpros.com, Click "My Stuff"





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jul 29 02:51:28 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:51:28 -0700
Subject: Load URL doesn't send message
In-Reply-To: <474CA4E1-254C-4808-BC39-7C05373A61C5@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <42E99569.3090000@hyperactivesw.com>
	<474CA4E1-254C-4808-BC39-7C05373A61C5@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <42E9D1F0.7070802@fourthworld.com>

Eric Chatonet wrote:
> Hi Jacque,
> 
> I found this thread this morning.
> As for me I don't use libUrl for downloading urls from the web.

You wrote your own custom HTTP socket handlers?

What problems did you find with libURL's convenient one-liners to 
warrant so much work?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jul 29 02:55:56 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:55:56 -0700
Subject: [OT] Windows Command Help
In-Reply-To: <7C68FA3F-7A11-4542-B469-E2634B329EE5@danshafer.com>
References: <20050729011340.05751824FF4@mail.runrev.com>
	<2039189842.20050728195102@ahsoftware.net>
	<7C68FA3F-7A11-4542-B469-E2634B329EE5@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <3253884361.20050728235556@ahsoftware.net>

Dan-

Thursday, July 28, 2005, 10:03:22 PM, you wrote:

DS> Well, I should say that I tried it directly in the shell, not from
DS> Rev. There, I typed:

DS> start "blah\blah\doc.pdf"

Make sure you use a fully-qualified path:

"drive:\root\subdirectory\etc\document.ext"

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul 29 02:57:11 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:57:11 +0200
Subject: Load URL doesn't send message
In-Reply-To: <42E9D1F0.7070802@fourthworld.com>
References: <42E99569.3090000@hyperactivesw.com>
	<474CA4E1-254C-4808-BC39-7C05373A61C5@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<42E9D1F0.7070802@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <45BFD348-DB3A-4ED0-B7CC-0AA2A4A434CE@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Richard,

Thanks God, no!
I just said that I did not use libUrl but I do use the load command  
and run my own pending message: not too much work :-)
More transparent, more debuggable if needed...

Le 29 juil. 05 ? 08:51, Richard Gaskin a ?crit :

> Eric Chatonet wrote:
>
>> Hi Jacque,
>> I found this thread this morning.
>> As for me I don't use libUrl for downloading urls from the web.
>>
>
> You wrote your own custom HTTP socket handlers?
>
> What problems did you find with libURL's convenient one-liners to  
> warrant so much work?

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jul 29 03:12:26 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:12:26 -0700
Subject: Load URL doesn't send message
In-Reply-To: <45BFD348-DB3A-4ED0-B7CC-0AA2A4A434CE@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <42E99569.3090000@hyperactivesw.com>	<474CA4E1-254C-4808-BC39-7C05373A61C5@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42E9D1F0.7070802@fourthworld.com>
	<45BFD348-DB3A-4ED0-B7CC-0AA2A4A434CE@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <42E9D6DA.9040504@fourthworld.com>

Eric Chatonet wrote:

 > Le 29 juil. 05 ? 08:51, Richard Gaskin a ?crit :
 >
 >> Eric Chatonet wrote:
 >>> As for me I don't use libUrl for downloading urls from the web.
 >>
 >> You wrote your own custom HTTP socket handlers?
 >>
 >> What problems did you find with libURL's convenient one-liners to
 >> warrant so much work?
 >
 > Thanks God, no!
 > I just said that I did not use libUrl but I do use the load
 > command  and run my own pending message: not too much work :-)
 > More transparent, more debuggable if needed...

Ah, semantics:  the load command uses libURL, so you're still 
benefitting from Dave Cragg's excellent library even without calling its 
more specialized handlers directly.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Fri Jul 29 03:15:34 2005
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:15:34 +1000
Subject: Cloning stacks invisibly? 
In-Reply-To: <20050729062932.DF5A9825038@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050729062932.DF5A9825038@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <7c6672a29e4116afd1e6aa128c113a50@unimelb.edu.au>

Thanks Sarah - I'll give that a go.

Cheers,

Terry...


> Hi Terry,
>
>> Is there any way to clone a stack invisibly? I've tried setting the 
>> loc of the stack to be cloned offscreen but the newly cloned stack 
>> still appears onscreen (at least under OSX).
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>
> Here's what I do, which clones a stack & positions the clone invisibly:
>
> BEFORE cloning the stack, set a custom property of the template stack. 
> In this example, I set the cStoredRect of the template to the the rect 
> I want. Then I have this handler in the stack or card script of the 
> template stack:
>
> on preOpenStack
>   go invisible to this stack
>   if the cStoredRect of this stack is not empty
>   then set the rect of this stack to the cStoredRect of this stack
> end preOpenStack
>
> After changing the stack name & setting up the display, I then show 
> the newly cloned stack. This works really well and I get no flickers.
>
> HTH,
> Sarah



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Jul 29 03:41:04 2005
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:41:04 -0700
Subject: [OT] Windows Command Help
In-Reply-To: <2D00304A-4F61-4A99-9B52-215D6ADF1763@danshafer.com>
References: <OF1ED78FEC.D6304E09-ONC125704D.00225688-C125704D.002275D1@deutsche-boerse.com>
	<2D00304A-4F61-4A99-9B52-215D6ADF1763@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <430E831F-8B36-4BF5-B7FC-A13373883F8D@mangomultimedia.com>

On Jul 28, 2005, at 11:39 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:

> Well, that's the secret, then.
>
> Back to the drawing board. The shell solution is not acceptable. I  
> am amazed (and shouldn't be) that a feature Mac OS has had for a  
> long, long time is missing from the vastly more popular Windows OS.
>
> Heh heh.

Dan,

If you can't get anything else to work you could try the EnhancedWin  
dll I posted the other day.  In addition to some commands that allow  
you to limit your Windows apps to a single instance, there is also a  
command that I use as a replacement for revMail and revGoURL that  
should also work for files.  It is called ewinOpenURL.  Just pass the  
file path instead of a url.  So something like this should work:

ewinOpenURL "c:\Some Folder\My Doc.doc"

The command uses the ShellExecute API on Windows which opens the file  
in the default document whether it is a url or file.

You can download it here:
<http://www.mangomultimedia.com/download/revolution/enhancedwin/ 
EnhancedWin.zip>

There is a readme that explains how to use it.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Multimedia
trevor at mangomultimedia.com




From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Fri Jul 29 03:48:09 2005
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:48:09 +0100
Subject: Load URL doesn't send message
In-Reply-To: <45BFD348-DB3A-4ED0-B7CC-0AA2A4A434CE@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <42E99569.3090000@hyperactivesw.com>
	<474CA4E1-254C-4808-BC39-7C05373A61C5@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<42E9D1F0.7070802@fourthworld.com>
	<45BFD348-DB3A-4ED0-B7CC-0AA2A4A434CE@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <0F5982B3-3EF1-4DB7-937B-5EF257012607@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 29 Jul 2005, at 07:57, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi Richard,
>
> Thanks God, no!
> I just said that I did not use libUrl but I do use the load command  
> and run my own pending message: not too much work :-)
> More transparent, more debuggable if needed...
>
> Le 29 juil. 05 ? 08:51, Richard Gaskin a ?crit :


Actually, load url (and get url, delete url, etc.) uses libUrl for  
http and ftp urls. The engine calls the library directly. I'm afraid  
you're using it whether you want to or not. No escape. :-)

Jacque, concerning your problem, I've just woken up and haven't had  
time to look at it. But if you have any more useful information,  
please send it and I'll take a look.

Cheers
Dave

From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul 29 03:58:51 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:58:51 +0200
Subject: Load URL doesn't send message
Message-ID: <977DEEB7-A143-4773-A1EF-238B05432F4A@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Dave,

I don't wish to escape such an essential work :-)
I Richard pointed it out, sometimes I don't use "lib" prefixed ones  
in order, for instance, to use a "send" delay longer than 1  
millisecond :-)

Le 29 juil. 05 ? 09:48, Dave Cragg a ?crit :

> Actually, load url (and get url, delete url, etc.) uses libUrl for  
> http and ftp urls. The engine calls the library directly. I'm  
> afraid you're using it whether you want to or not. No escape. :-)

Don't worry, Rev would be a tiny app without your lib.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Fri Jul 29 04:05:52 2005
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 01:05:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Missing Script Code in Afterword of My Book
In-Reply-To: <34CD5D36-A173-4185-B114-8EB8590A6FC3@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507290100420.22243-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Dan,

You're a published writer; aren't you accustomed this this? (I personally
know how this sux; see below for personal sob-story)

I know that, for something completely different, I had an article
published for which the editor decided to  make some changes... that  made
me look entirely like a complete idiot.  And, of course, I didn't know of
it until the online version was posted and the non-online version went to
the printer.

The Journal folks were able to make the electronic changes okay, but had
to delay delivery of printed material until somebody could literally cut
and paste the correction over the printed type.

Yikes!!!

I know this example isn't your boo-boo... but, YIKES! all the same...

Judy

On Thu, 28 Jul 2005, Dan Shafer wrote:

> How in the world this error has stayed unreported for so long is
> beyond me. I am afraid to think about what it means that nobody has
> reported this until now.
>
> But if you'll go to http://www.revolutionpros.com, click on "My
> Stuff" and check out the errata there you'll find a missing script
> from the To Do sample at the back of my book.
>
> I'm ashamed.



From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Fri Jul 29 04:37:16 2005
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:37:16 +0100
Subject: Load URL doesn't send message
In-Reply-To: <42E99569.3090000@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <42E99569.3090000@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <98008438-1FFD-4EFB-832E-CB311D061F50@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 29 Jul 2005, at 03:33, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> I'm using libURL 1.1.3b1 (apparently what ships with 2.6) and can't  
> get a message when the URL is done. I'm trying:
>
>  load url tURL with message "myMsg"
>
> No message is sent. Is it just me?

It's just you, Jacque. I'm going back to bed.

Just kidding!

Obvious things first:

Have you spelled the message handler name correctly in your load call?

(Not that? Pity! )

The things that could cause the message not to be sent that I can  
think of:

An "unload url" or clearing of  the pendingMessages after the message  
has been sent but before it is handled. The likely place for this  
kind of thing would be in the status callback handler. After a  
succesful load, the final  callback message gets sent just before the  
"load message", both sent in 0 milliseconds. So if your callback  
handler does one of these things when the status is "downloaded", the  
message won't get sent.

So I'd look at the callback handler first.

Cheers
Dave






From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul 29 05:17:13 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:17:13 +0200
Subject: Load URL doesn't send message
In-Reply-To: <977DEEB7-A143-4773-A1EF-238B05432F4A@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <977DEEB7-A143-4773-A1EF-238B05432F4A@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <F51866EF-61C6-418D-A464-90806AB6AB91@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Dave,

I don't wish to escape such an essential work!
I Richard pointed it out, sometimes I don't use "lib" prefixed  
handlers or functions in order, for instance, to use a "send" delay  
longer than 1 millisecond :-)

Le 29 juil. 05 ? 09:48, Dave Cragg a ?crit :

> Actually, load url (and get url, delete url, etc.) uses libUrl for  
> http and ftp urls. The engine calls the library directly. I'm  
> afraid you're using it whether you want to or not. No escape. :-)

Be sure that Rev would be a tiny app without your lib.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Fri Jul 29 07:32:01 2005
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:32:01 +0100
Subject: Load URL doesn't send message
In-Reply-To: <98008438-1FFD-4EFB-832E-CB311D061F50@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <42E99569.3090000@hyperactivesw.com>
	<98008438-1FFD-4EFB-832E-CB311D061F50@lacscentre.co.uk>
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On 29 Jul 2005, at 09:37, Dave Cragg wrote:


>
> The things that could cause the message not to be sent that I can  
> think of:
>
> An "unload url" or clearing of  the pendingMessages after the  
> message has been sent but before it is handled. The likely place  
> for this kind of thing would be in the status callback handler.  
> After a succesful load, the final  callback message gets sent just  
> before the "load message", both sent in 0 milliseconds. So if your  
> callback handler does one of these things when the status is  
> "downloaded", the message won't get sent.
>
> So I'd look at the callback handler first.
>

Another area to look at in your script would be just after the load  
call. Anything there that might stop background scripts running (a  
runaway repeat or a wait) or that might clear the pendingMessages or  
unload the url could be an issue.

Cheers
Dave


From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Fri Jul 29 08:17:45 2005
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:17:45 +0100
Subject: rotating images
In-Reply-To: <b57b858ef58fb389a553499134c9d999@adelphia.net>
References: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0376098B@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>
	<b57b858ef58fb389a553499134c9d999@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <a05210600bf0fcd78b51a@[192.168.0.100]>

Hi,

I think the code you are looking for is something like this in the Card Script:


global gImageCounter


on openCard
put 1 into gImageCounter

send "DisplayNextImage" to me in 1 second
end openCard





on DisplayNextImage

switch gImageCounter

case 1
set the fileName of image "ImageObject" to "File1"
break

case 2
set the fileName of image "ImageObject" to "File2"
break



case 3
set the fileName of image "ImageObject" to "File3"

--
--  On the last case, you need to reset the counter back 1, but we 
set it to 0 here so that the Add will make it 1
--
put gImageCounter to 0
break

end switch

add 1 to gImageCounter

send "DisplayNextImage" to me in 10 seconds

end DisplayNextImage

A better way of doing it would be to have a list of file names and 
index the list. I have written this way for clarity.


Hope this helps
All the Best
Dave


>Ban,
>
>I would handle this at the card level via:
>
>on openCard
>	send myImageRotate to me in 10 seconds
>end openCard
>
>on myImageRotate
>	-- do your repeat loop here to both rotate and cycle through 
>your images
>	-- maybe use a counter for what image we are on at this time through
>
>	send myImageRotate to me in 10 seconds
>end myImageRotate
>
>HTH
>
>Tom
>
>On Jul 28, 2005, at 4:01 PM, Ban Nguyen wrote:
>>
>>Do the images sit on top of each other? or are they side by side?
>>On top:
>>Do you want one image to appear and then rotate in ten seconds and Then
>>disappear and be replaced by image 2 which then rotates in ten seconds
>>to disappear and be replaced by image 3 etc.
>>
>>
>>Yes, the images sit on top of each other.  I want image 1 appears 
>>then 10 sec image 2 appear then 1 sec image 3 appear..........back 
>>to image 1 and so on
>>
>>
>>I have one main stack which has 5 cards.  I want these images keep 
>>changing while user click to go to another card
>>
>>Thanks for your help
>>
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From jbondy at sover.net  Fri Jul 29 08:24:32 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:24:32 -0400
Subject: [OT] Windows Command Help
In-Reply-To: <25E8DB4E-E3EB-4667-B0E8-7A24F8F707A7@danshafer.com>
References: <20050729011340.05751824FF4@mail.runrev.com>
	<25E8DB4E-E3EB-4667-B0E8-7A24F8F707A7@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <42EA2000.1050201@sover.net>

Windows has a facility built in that associates file extensions with 
applications.  Thus, you can tell Windows that the default application 
for a JPG is FRED.EXE.  Normally, any useful document has an associated 
application. There are ways to ask windows to open a document using the 
default application. In Delphi, this is what I write to do this:

   i := ShellExecute(Application.handle, 'open', fName, '', '', 
SW_SHOWNORMAL); 

Now, how easy it might be to do this from within Rev, I cannot say. I'm 
just explaining how Windows works.  Hope this helps.  Feel free to 
contact me off list if you want to get into the details.

:)

Jon


Dan Shafer wrote:

> The problem is I don't know the name or path of the app. On OS X,  
> this doesn't matter. But it appears I cannot ask Windows to launch a  
> document and expect it to figure out which app to use.
>
> Great.
>
> Dan
>
> On Jul 28, 2005, at 6:24 PM, MisterX wrote:
>
>> Hi Dan
>>
>> It's funny to see MacOS - no-to-CLIs - crowd do it in Unix and not  
>> in DOS ;0
>>
>> what you need is something like
>> c:\notepad <pathtomyfile>
>> or notepad.exe <path to myfile"
>> or <pathtoapp> <path to file> should work...
>>
>> BUT this will block Rev... :(
>>
>> so shell("start" && quote && appspath && docpath && quote should  
>> work...)
>>
>> cheers
>> Xavier
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
>>> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Dan Shafer
>>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 02:57
>>> To: Revolution List
>>> Subject: [OT] Windows Command Help
>>>
>>> In OS X, I can issue the shell command "launch" followed by a
>>> document path and the system opens that document with the
>>> appropriate app.
>>>
>>> Is there an equivalent command/syntax for Windows? I tried "start"
>>> but if I give it a document path, it opens a new command
>>> window but doesn't do anything.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for any help for the Windows-challenged.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From plsntbreez at mac.com  Fri Jul 29 08:58:53 2005
From: plsntbreez at mac.com (Brian K. Maher)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:58:53 -0400
Subject: [OT] Windows Command Help
In-Reply-To: <42EA2000.1050201@sover.net>
References: <20050729011340.05751824FF4@mail.runrev.com>
	<25E8DB4E-E3EB-4667-B0E8-7A24F8F707A7@danshafer.com>
	<42EA2000.1050201@sover.net>
Message-ID: <12356720.1122641933888.JavaMail.plsntbreez@mac.com>

Hi Jon,

In Rev just use the shell.  The command would be "start you_file_name_goes_here".

Brian



From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Thu Jul 28 09:25:45 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:25:45 -0400
Subject: Revolution as a Prototyping Tool
Message-ID: <544b1505ccc9fd78f8848697896651c1@adelphia.net>

Dear List Members,

I wanted to share this document that I used when presenting Revolution 
to my company/client for consideration in our prototyping work. Since 
this list is growing daily, I thought there might be a few people who 
would find it useful.

Revolution as a Prototyping Tool

?	Prototyping is a process of design and development used to help model 
the specifications and requirements for a new application.
?	Once a prototype has been developed it can be quickly moved to alpha 
or sometimes even beta without dedicating significant resources and 
time.
?	The nature of the Revolution tool is that it is designed for rapid 
development of a graphic/data interface by minimizing the need to write 
complex machine level code, using instead English like syntax, coding 
shortcuts and object (graphical) libraries and outputting to any 
supported OS.
?	Using Revolution as a prototyping tool allows the developer to 
quickly assemble an elegant prototype. Revolution incorporates the use 
of genuine cross platform support without the need for device or OS 
specific code compilation, and uses industry standard coding.

Proof-of-Concept Development Challenge
Commercial realities dictate that there are several key elements to 
consider when developing a software solution for a client. These are 
even more pertinent at the prototyping stage of a project. Some of 
these elements may not be considered as essential at the prototype 
stage, but they facilitate the acceptance of the final application to 
the client.
?	?
?	Fit for Purpose
The prototype application should effectively demonstrate the client's 
needs and requirements. How does one procure the satisfaction of 
expectations without exhaustive research into the underlying issues? 
This is possible by using a software prototyping tool, which allows a 
concept to be modeled, rapidly aiding in the evaluation of a design.
?	Time restrictions
In an ideal world one would choose to slow the process down and run it 
through deliberate design and development cycles. However, available 
resources invariably dictate this process. The choice of Revolution as 
a prototyping tool allows us to make maximum use of the time at our 
disposal.
?	Financial constraints
Optimally, this type of software should provide the capability to 
envision and test such a model using local data and resources without a 
major investment in database server(s), network hardware and software, 
and the major software engineering costs.
?	Moving Target
Many clients are not entirely sure of the exact nature of the product 
they require. They may also redefine their requirements based on 
outside factors and additional functionality that we can offer. A 
prototyping tool has the functionality to address such fundamental 
alterations readily and easily.
?	Scalability
We should be able to demonstrate the scalable qualities of our proposed 
application with the prototype. Our client may not have made a final 
decision on the level of deployment at this stage. They may wish to 
retain the flexibility to investigate alternatives and additions before 
committing to a final strategy.
?	Real time alterations
Revolution allows the flexibility to make changes while prototyping 
with the client and is possible without the downtime incurred for 
recompilation.
?	Appearance
Revolution is presentable and has the look and feel of a finished 
product. While we are at the prototyping stage, we may still be selling 
the concept to our client. The appearance of our prototype can become 
very significant, without minor visual anomalies drawing attention away 
from the salient issues.
?	Maintaining the Prototype
Our choice of Revolution as a prototyping tool should allow us to keep 
track of version histories and the alterations that we make to the 
application. Ideally we should be able to document the changes we make 
together with the client requests. We may also require the facility to 
control multiple developers working on the same project. Revolution 
allows for us to rapidly develop applications in any peer-to-peer 
environment.

What Makes Revolution Ideal for Prototyping
Regardless of the application we are modeling, Revolution provides the 
tools that allow us to effectively create any prototype. Whether we 
need to create Internet, Intranet, database applications, with or 
without a SQL backend, Revolution is the answer. Applications 
prototyped in Revolution cover just about every market segment.

Developing prototypes using Revolution significantly reduces the time 
we spend creating our applications. This is due to the features and 
tool sets that are made available to us within the product. Revolution 
embraces the main principles of practical object orientation. These 
features include the message hierarchy as well as code and object 
reuse. Revolution makes it extremely quick to produce any GUI. There is 
also an extensive set of shortcuts and plugins that cover just about 
everything from simple window creation to the handling of e-mails.

Having one comprehensive tool that can be used for a multitude of needs 
eliminates the cost of having to purchase multiple applications for 
prototyping. The initial investment for Revolution is extremely 
competitive. This makes tight financial constraints inconsequential as 
the product and pricing is as good as and, if not better, than any 
prototyping tool currently available.
Revolution applications can be developed on any of the supported 
platforms including all flavors of Windows (95/98/NT/2000), Mac OS 9.x 
and above, and the major Linux distributions. Revolution applications 
can be deployed on any or all of these platforms simultaneously with 
only minimal or no code changes.

Sincerely,

Thomas J McGrath III

From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Fri Jul 29 09:37:17 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:37:17 -0400
Subject: [OT] Windows Command Help
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A974460C@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

There are a number of nuances to this issue, depending on which windows
system you are using, etc...

I pieced together the following script from scripts that others created
for this purpose. (Just so no one thinks I am stealing someone else's
thunder.) It seems to work pretty well...

on launchdocument pWhich
  if there is not a file pWhich then exit launchdocument
  revSetWindowsShellCommand
  put revRunningWindowsNT() into tNT
  if the platform is "Win32" then
    replace "/" with "\" in pWhich
    --put "file:///" before pWhich
    set the itemdelimiter to "."
    put the last item of pWhich into tExtension
    put "HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\." & tExtension & "\" into tQuery
    put queryRegistry(tQuery) into tApp
    
    PUT "HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\" & tApp & "\shell\open\command\" into tQuery
    put queryRegistry(tQuery) into tAppCommand
    put word 1 of tAppCommand into tAppCommand
    replace quote with empty in tAppCommand
    if not tNT then
      get shell("start " & quote & tAppCommand & quote && quote & pWhich
& quote)
    else
      set the hideconsolewindows to false
      open process (tAppCommand && quote & pWhich & quote) for neither
    end if
    put the result into tResult
    --answer tResult
    if tResult = "not opened" then
      if tAppCommand = empty then
        answer "I'm sorry, but your computer does not have an
application associated with that file extension. Shall I attempt to open
it with your browswer?" with "yes" and "no"
        if it is "yes" then 
          revgourl pWhich
        end if
      else
        get shell("start " & quote & tAppCommand & quote && quote &
pWhich & quote)
        if the result <> empty then
          answer "I'm afraid I was unable to open the document with the
associated application. Shall I attempt to open it with your browser
instead?" with "yes" and "no"
          if it is "yes" then 
            revgourl pWhich
          end if
        end if
      end if
    end if
    --  else if the platform is "MacOS" then
    --    if "appleScript" is not in the alternateLanguages then
    --      return "Error: AppleScript not installed"
    --    end if
    --    do ("open location" && quote & pWhich & quote) as appleScript
    --  else
    --    if gREVWebBrowser is empty
    --    then launch "mozilla" && quote & pWhich & quote
    --    else launch gREVWebBrowser && quote & pWhich & quote
  end if
end launchdocument

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Brian K.
Maher
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 8:59 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: [OT] Windows Command Help

Hi Jon,

In Rev just use the shell.  The command would be "start
you_file_name_goes_here".

Brian

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From xbury.cs at clearstream.com  Fri Jul 29 10:08:36 2005
From: xbury.cs at clearstream.com (xbury.cs at clearstream.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:08:36 +0200
Subject: [OT] Windows Command Help
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A974460C@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <OF0639EF90.6C8F3910-ONC125704D.004C96D4-C125704D.004D964A@deutsche-boerse.com>

Jon

Nice and extensive! ;)

Here's the simple form i use in my file browser

    if the platform is "Win32" then
      put queryRegistry("HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\."&ftype&"\") into thisappClass
      put 
queryRegistry("HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\"&thisappClass&"\shell\open\command\") 
into thisapp
      delete word 2 of thisapp -- %1
      if thisapp is not empty then
        launch (quote & fld "path" && thisfile & quote) with thisapp
        get the result
      end if

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use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 29/07/2005 15:37:17:

> There are a number of nuances to this issue, depending on which windows
> system you are using, etc...
> 
> I pieced together the following script from scripts that others created
> for this purpose. (Just so no one thinks I am stealing someone else's
> thunder.) It seems to work pretty well...
> 
> on launchdocument pWhich
>   if there is not a file pWhich then exit launchdocument
>   revSetWindowsShellCommand
>   put revRunningWindowsNT() into tNT
>   if the platform is "Win32" then
>     replace "/" with "\" in pWhich
>     --put "file:///" before pWhich
>     set the itemdelimiter to "."
>     put the last item of pWhich into tExtension
>     put "HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\." & tExtension & "\" into tQuery
>     put queryRegistry(tQuery) into tApp
> 
>     PUT "HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\" & tApp & "\shell\open\command\" into tQuery
>     put queryRegistry(tQuery) into tAppCommand
>     put word 1 of tAppCommand into tAppCommand
>     replace quote with empty in tAppCommand
>     if not tNT then
>       get shell("start " & quote & tAppCommand & quote && quote & pWhich
> & quote)
>     else
>       set the hideconsolewindows to false
>       open process (tAppCommand && quote & pWhich & quote) for neither
>     end if
>     put the result into tResult
>     --answer tResult
>     if tResult = "not opened" then
>       if tAppCommand = empty then
>         answer "I'm sorry, but your computer does not have an
> application associated with that file extension. Shall I attempt to open
> it with your browswer?" with "yes" and "no"
>         if it is "yes" then 
>           revgourl pWhich
>         end if
>       else
>         get shell("start " & quote & tAppCommand & quote && quote &
> pWhich & quote)
>         if the result <> empty then
>           answer "I'm afraid I was unable to open the document with the
> associated application. Shall I attempt to open it with your browser
> instead?" with "yes" and "no"
>           if it is "yes" then 
>             revgourl pWhich
>           end if
>         end if
>       end if
>     end if
>     --  else if the platform is "MacOS" then
>     --    if "appleScript" is not in the alternateLanguages then
>     --      return "Error: AppleScript not installed"
>     --    end if
>     --    do ("open location" && quote & pWhich & quote) as appleScript
>     --  else
>     --    if gREVWebBrowser is empty
>     --    then launch "mozilla" && quote & pWhich & quote
>     --    else launch gREVWebBrowser && quote & pWhich & quote
>   end if
> end launchdocument
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Brian K.
> Maher
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 8:59 AM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: [OT] Windows Command Help
> 
> Hi Jon,
> 
> In Rev just use the shell.  The command would be "start
> you_file_name_goes_here".
> 
> Brian
> 



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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul 29 11:02:31 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:02:31 +0200
Subject: [ANN][EN][FR] New Tutorial available from So Smart Software
Message-ID: <31EF5EC0-CB2A-47E4-8C72-36BA6DFB1FE7@sosmartsoftware.com>

Paris, Fri, 29 Jul 2005

---------------------- English version -------------------------

Hello,

So Smart Software has the pleasure of announcing the availability of  
a new tutorial:
How to monitor a QuickTime player by script

This stack shows you how to monitor a QT player to play music (mp3  
included) and provide all the usual commands, and more, to the user.
How to know if the right version of QT is installed, manage  
durations, progress, quick searches, sound level, loops, play-lists,  
embed a sound file into a custom property, etc.
The main commands are embedded in a scripted group, which you can  
export into any project.
This API is able to monitor, not only sound files, but also the video  
files as well.
As usual, print function included.

This tutorial is available through Tutorials Picker.
For those who don't have a broadband connection, it's available too  
as a separate zip archive (228 KB).

Best regards,

Eric Chatonet.

PS. Those who have not upgraded from Tutorials Picker 1.0 to 2.0  
might think of it since version 2.0 uses gz files (220 KB to download  
instead of 380 KB for this tutorial :-)
Tutorials Picker (and Tutorials Watcher*) are available for free from  
http://www.sosmartsoftware.com

* Tutorials Watcher is a tiny and non intrusive plugin that informs  
you automatically at Rev startup when a new tutorial has been released.

--------------------- Version fran?aise ------------------------

Bonjour,

So Smart Software a le plaisir d'annoncer la disponibilit? d'un  
nouveau didacticiel :
Comment piloter finement un player QuickTime par script

Cette pile explique comment construire une interface permettant de  
jouer tous fichiers musicaux (mp3 inclus) et m?me les vid?os.
Comment savoir si la bonne version de QT est install?e, g?rer les  
temps, les recherches rapides, le niveau sonore, les boucles, les  
play-lists. Comment indiquer la progression, stocker un fichier  
musical dans une custom property, etc.
La pile permet d'exporter un groupe script? enti?rement fonctionnel  
pour cr?er votre propre "player".
L'API sait piloter, non seulement les fichiers sonores, mais aussi  
les films vid?o.
Comme d'habitude, fonction d'impression incluse.

Cordialement,

Eric Chatonet.

PS. Ceux qui n'ont pas encore mis ? jour Tutorials Picker 1.0 vers  
2.0 pourraient y penser : la version 2.0 met en ?uvre des fichiers  
compress?s gz. Dans le cas pr?sent cela repr?sente 220 Ko ?  
t?l?charger au lieu de 380 Ko avec la version 1.0 :-)
Tutorials Picker (et Tutorials Watcher*) sont disponibles  
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From psahores at easynet.fr  Fri Jul 29 12:04:58 2005
From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:04:58 +0200
Subject: Revolution as a Prototyping Tool
In-Reply-To: <544b1505ccc9fd78f8848697896651c1@adelphia.net>
References: <544b1505ccc9fd78f8848697896651c1@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <B2D5488C-BE0B-4FD8-8E20-59C4EA6BAF38@easynet.fr>

Dear Thomas,

Thanks for sharing this great "tutorial" with all of us !

Action: Do you allow me to translate your work to the French  
dialect ? If yes, do you allow me to specify, as the credits of the  
input "? 2005 Thomas J McGrath III" (or any other legal ? mention you  
prefer to see there, alike your company name)  at the bottom of the  
translation. If yes, do you allow me to insert this final french  
issue + your ? credits as a dedicated pages of my company site,  
something alike <http://www.sahores-conseil.com/revprotoway.html> ?

In any way, thanks again. A great work and communication tool !

Best Regards,


Le 28 juil. 05 ? 15:25, Thomas McGrath III a ?crit :

> Dear List Members,
>
> I wanted to share this document that I used when presenting  
> Revolution to my company/client for consideration in our  
> prototyping work. Since this list is growing daily, I thought there  
> might be a few people who would find it useful.
>
> Revolution as a Prototyping Tool
>
> ?    Prototyping is a process of design and development used to  
> help model the specifications and requirements for a new application.
> ?    Once a prototype has been developed it can be quickly moved to  
> alpha or sometimes even beta without dedicating significant  
> resources and time.
> ?    The nature of the Revolution tool is that it is designed for  
> rapid development of a graphic/data interface by minimizing the  
> need to write complex machine level code, using instead English  
> like syntax, coding shortcuts and object (graphical) libraries and  
> outputting to any supported OS.
> ?    Using Revolution as a prototyping tool allows the developer to  
> quickly assemble an elegant prototype. Revolution incorporates the  
> use of genuine cross platform support without the need for device  
> or OS specific code compilation, and uses industry standard coding.
>
> Proof-of-Concept Development Challenge
> Commercial realities dictate that there are several key elements to  
> consider when developing a software solution for a client. These  
> are even more pertinent at the prototyping stage of a project. Some  
> of these elements may not be considered as essential at the  
> prototype stage, but they facilitate the acceptance of the final  
> application to the client.
>
> ?    Fit for Purpose
> The prototype application should effectively demonstrate the  
> client's needs and requirements. How does one procure the  
> satisfaction of expectations without exhaustive research into the  
> underlying issues? This is possible by using a software prototyping  
> tool, which allows a concept to be modeled, rapidly aiding in the  
> evaluation of a design.
> ?    Time restrictions
> In an ideal world one would choose to slow the process down and run  
> it through deliberate design and development cycles. However,  
> available resources invariably dictate this process. The choice of  
> Revolution as a prototyping tool allows us to make maximum use of  
> the time at our disposal.
> ?    Financial constraints
> Optimally, this type of software should provide the capability to  
> envision and test such a model using local data and resources  
> without a major investment in database server(s), network hardware  
> and software, and the major software engineering costs.
> ?    Moving Target
> Many clients are not entirely sure of the exact nature of the  
> product they require. They may also redefine their requirements  
> based on outside factors and additional functionality that we can  
> offer. A prototyping tool has the functionality to address such  
> fundamental alterations readily and easily.
> ?    Scalability
> We should be able to demonstrate the scalable qualities of our  
> proposed application with the prototype. Our client may not have  
> made a final decision on the level of deployment at this stage.  
> They may wish to retain the flexibility to investigate alternatives  
> and additions before committing to a final strategy.
> ?    Real time alterations
> Revolution allows the flexibility to make changes while prototyping  
> with the client and is possible without the downtime incurred for  
> recompilation.
> ?    Appearance
> Revolution is presentable and has the look and feel of a finished  
> product. While we are at the prototyping stage, we may still be  
> selling the concept to our client. The appearance of our prototype  
> can become very significant, without minor visual anomalies drawing  
> attention away from the salient issues.
> ?    Maintaining the Prototype
> Our choice of Revolution as a prototyping tool should allow us to  
> keep track of version histories and the alterations that we make to  
> the application. Ideally we should be able to document the changes  
> we make together with the client requests. We may also require the  
> facility to control multiple developers working on the same  
> project. Revolution allows for us to rapidly develop applications  
> in any peer-to-peer environment.
>
> What Makes Revolution Ideal for Prototyping
> Regardless of the application we are modeling, Revolution provides  
> the tools that allow us to effectively create any prototype.  
> Whether we need to create Internet, Intranet, database  
> applications, with or without a SQL backend, Revolution is the  
> answer. Applications prototyped in Revolution cover just about  
> every market segment.
>
> Developing prototypes using Revolution significantly reduces the  
> time we spend creating our applications. This is due to the  
> features and tool sets that are made available to us within the  
> product. Revolution embraces the main principles of practical  
> object orientation. These features include the message hierarchy as  
> well as code and object reuse. Revolution makes it extremely quick  
> to produce any GUI. There is also an extensive set of shortcuts and  
> plugins that cover just about everything from simple window  
> creation to the handling of e-mails.
>
> Having one comprehensive tool that can be used for a multitude of  
> needs eliminates the cost of having to purchase multiple  
> applications for prototyping. The initial investment for Revolution  
> is extremely competitive. This makes tight financial constraints  
> inconsequential as the product and pricing is as good as and, if  
> not better, than any prototyping tool currently available.
> Revolution applications can be developed on any of the supported  
> platforms including all flavors of Windows (95/98/NT/2000), Mac OS  
> 9.x and above, and the major Linux distributions. Revolution  
> applications can be deployed on any or all of these platforms  
> simultaneously with only minimal or no code changes.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Thomas J McGrath III_______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution


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From revdan at danshafer.com  Fri Jul 29 12:05:10 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:05:10 -0700
Subject: Missing Script Code in Afterword of My Book
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507290100420.22243-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507290100420.22243-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <486BC382-9146-4F8D-B886-4728015CF34F@danshafer.com>

Judy....

On Jul 29, 2005, at 1:05 AM, Judy Perry wrote:

> You're a published writer; aren't you accustomed this this? (I  
> personally
> know how this sux; see below for personal sob-story)
>

Yeah, it was less the mistake itself than the questions it raised in  
my mind. If several hundred people have bought this book in one form  
or another and nobody has yet pointed out this error -- which made  
the major example in the book not work -- does this mean: (a) they  
figured it out themselves (it *was* sort of obvious on one level);  
(b) they didn't catch it at all; or (c) they haven't read the chapter  
(or perhaps the book)?

As a writer, I know mistakes will appear in my code. I try hard to  
test it and then copy-paste code directly rather than retyping it.  
Over the years, reviewers have been consistently kind about the  
paucity of at least code errors in my books. That's a rep I'd like  
not to tarnish more than necessary.

Next time, I need to find copy-readers who are perhaps less  
knowledgeable and who have and can take more time to review copy in  
greater detail.




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author
http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
 From http://www.revolutionpros.com, Click "My Stuff"





From tetraron at comcast.net  Fri Jul 29 12:15:27 2005
From: tetraron at comcast.net (Ronald Swartz)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:15:27 -0700
Subject: color probe (at a point)
Message-ID: <0080d588cabe6b92d62065906cbe3d43@comcast.net>

How would one determine (or return) the color at a point on the screen, 
under script control of course.  I would like it to be something like:

get the tcolor at 340,230      (where I just made up the name "tcolor.")

Is there any easy way to do this.  I am working on something which 
requires me to poll the points in the neighborhood of a screen point 
and cannot see anything in revolution which would provide that tool.  
Help would be appreciated.

Ron Swartz
tetraron at comcast.net



From dburgun at dsl.pipex.com  Fri Jul 29 12:15:21 2005
From: dburgun at dsl.pipex.com (David Burgun)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:15:21 +0100
Subject: Revolution as a Prototyping Tool
In-Reply-To: <B2D5488C-BE0B-4FD8-8E20-59C4EA6BAF38@easynet.fr>
References: <544b1505ccc9fd78f8848697896651c1@adelphia.net>
	<B2D5488C-BE0B-4FD8-8E20-59C4EA6BAF38@easynet.fr>
Message-ID: <a05210600bf1005f7fb0c@[192.168.0.100]>

Yes, a great article!

I have used RunRev for prototyping too, however I took it a step 
further and actually generated the code to build the objects in an 
external environment, e.g. I write a RunRev Script to output 
Object/Resource definitions and also to generate .h and .c/.cpp files 
that could be used in a C/C++ application.

All the Best
Dave

>Dear Thomas,
>
>Thanks for sharing this great "tutorial" with all of us !
>
>Action: Do you allow me to translate your work to the French dialect 
>? If yes, do you allow me to specify, as the credits of the input "? 
>2005 Thomas J McGrath III" (or any other legal ? mention you prefer 
>to see there, alike your company name)  at the bottom of the 
>translation. If yes, do you allow me to insert this final french 
>issue + your ? credits as a dedicated pages of my company site, 
>something alike <http://www.sahores-conseil.com/revprotoway.html> ?
>
>In any way, thanks again. A great work and communication tool !
>
>Best Regards,
>
>
>Le 28 juil. 05 ? 15:25, Thomas McGrath III a ?crit :
>
>>Dear List Members,
>>
>>I wanted to share this document that I used when presenting 
>>Revolution to my company/client for consideration in our 
>>prototyping work. Since this list is growing daily, I thought there 
>>might be a few people who would find it useful.
>>
>>Revolution as a Prototyping Tool
>>
>>*    Prototyping is a process of design and development used to 
>>help model the specifications and requirements for a new 
>>application.
>>*    Once a prototype has been developed it can be quickly moved to 
>>alpha or sometimes even beta without dedicating significant 
>>resources and time.
>>*    The nature of the Revolution tool is that it is designed for 
>>rapid development of a graphic/data interface by minimizing the 
>>need to write complex machine level code, using instead English 
>>like syntax, coding shortcuts and object (graphical) libraries and 
>>outputting to any supported OS.
>>*    Using Revolution as a prototyping tool allows the developer to 
>>quickly assemble an elegant prototype. Revolution incorporates the 
>>use of genuine cross platform support without the need for device 
>>or OS specific code compilation, and uses industry standard coding.
>>
>>Proof-of-Concept Development Challenge
>>Commercial realities dictate that there are several key elements to 
>>consider when developing a software solution for a client. These 
>>are even more pertinent at the prototyping stage of a project. Some 
>>of these elements may not be considered as essential at the 
>>prototype stage, but they facilitate the acceptance of the final 
>>application to the client.
>>
>>*    Fit for Purpose
>>The prototype application should effectively demonstrate the 
>>client's needs and requirements. How does one procure the 
>>satisfaction of expectations without exhaustive research into the 
>>underlying issues? This is possible by using a software prototyping 
>>tool, which allows a concept to be modeled, rapidly aiding in the 
>>evaluation of a design.
>>*    Time restrictions
>>In an ideal world one would choose to slow the process down and run 
>>it through deliberate design and development cycles. However, 
>>available resources invariably dictate this process. The choice of 
>>Revolution as a prototyping tool allows us to make maximum use of 
>>the time at our disposal.
>>*    Financial constraints
>>Optimally, this type of software should provide the capability to 
>>envision and test such a model using local data and resources 
>>without a major investment in database server(s), network hardware 
>>and software, and the major software engineering costs.
>>*    Moving Target
>>Many clients are not entirely sure of the exact nature of the 
>>product they require. They may also redefine their requirements 
>>based on outside factors and additional functionality that we can 
>>offer. A prototyping tool has the functionality to address such 
>>fundamental alterations readily and easily.
>>*    Scalability
>>We should be able to demonstrate the scalable qualities of our 
>>proposed application with the prototype. Our client may not have 
>>made a final decision on the level of deployment at this stage. 
>>They may wish to retain the flexibility to investigate alternatives 
>>and additions before committing to a final strategy.
>>*    Real time alterations
>>Revolution allows the flexibility to make changes while prototyping 
>>with the client and is possible without the downtime incurred for 
>>recompilation.
>>*    Appearance
>>Revolution is presentable and has the look and feel of a finished 
>>product. While we are at the prototyping stage, we may still be 
>>selling the concept to our client. The appearance of our prototype 
>>can become very significant, without minor visual anomalies drawing 
>>attention away from the salient issues.
>>*    Maintaining the Prototype
>>Our choice of Revolution as a prototyping tool should allow us to 
>>keep track of version histories and the alterations that we make to 
>>the application. Ideally we should be able to document the changes 
>>we make together with the client requests. We may also require the 
>>facility to control multiple developers working on the same 
>>project. Revolution allows for us to rapidly develop applications 
>>in any peer-to-peer environment.
>>
>>What Makes Revolution Ideal for Prototyping
>>Regardless of the application we are modeling, Revolution provides 
>>the tools that allow us to effectively create any prototype. 
>>Whether we need to create Internet, Intranet, database 
>>applications, with or without a SQL backend, Revolution is the 
>>answer. Applications prototyped in Revolution cover just about 
>>every market segment.
>>
>>Developing prototypes using Revolution significantly reduces the 
>>time we spend creating our applications. This is due to the 
>>features and tool sets that are made available to us within the 
>>product. Revolution embraces the main principles of practical 
>>object orientation. These features include the message hierarchy as 
>>well as code and object reuse. Revolution makes it extremely quick 
>>to produce any GUI. There is also an extensive set of shortcuts and 
>>plugins that cover just about everything from simple window 
>>creation to the handling of e-mails.
>>
>>Having one comprehensive tool that can be used for a multitude of 
>>needs eliminates the cost of having to purchase multiple 
>>applications for prototyping. The initial investment for Revolution 
>>is extremely competitive. This makes tight financial constraints 
>>inconsequential as the product and pricing is as good as and, if 
>>not better, than any prototyping tool currently available.
>>Revolution applications can be developed on any of the supported 
>>platforms including all flavors of Windows (95/98/NT/2000), Mac OS 
>>9.x and above, and the major Linux distributions. Revolution 
>>applications can be deployed on any or all of these platforms 
>>simultaneously with only minimal or no code changes.
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>
>>Thomas J McGrath III_______________________________________________
>>use-revolution mailing list
>>use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>>subscription preferences:
>>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
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>
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>F - 77140 Nemours
>
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>
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>
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>
>
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From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 29 12:24:12 2005
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:24:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [OT] Free Software Magazine
In-Reply-To: <20050729132856.53825824E77@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20050729162412.66325.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Developers,

Download the PDF edition of the
"Free Software Magazine"

Many interesting articles for developers
in this mail list.

<URL http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/free_issues/>

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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 29 12:25:58 2005
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:25:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: color probe (at a point)
In-Reply-To: <0080d588cabe6b92d62065906cbe3d43@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20050729162558.96814.qmail@web60517.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Ronald Swartz <tetraron at comcast.net> wrote:
> How would one determine (or return) the color at a
> point on the screen, 
> under script control of course.  I would like it to
> be something like:
> 
> get the tcolor at 340,230      (where I just made up
> the name "tcolor.")
> 
> Is there any easy way to do this.  I am working on
> something which 
> requires me to poll the points in the neighborhood
> of a screen point 
> and cannot see anything in revolution which would
> provide that tool.  
> Help would be appreciated.
> 
> Ron Swartz
> 

Hi Ron,

You can use the 'mouseColor' function to determine the
color under the current mouse location. The trick is
to change the mouse location to the intended point,
grab the color and restore the mouse location.

Try the following:
--
on mouseUp
  put the screenMouseLoc into tSavedLoc
  set the screenMouseLoc to 20,20
  put the mouseColor into tColor
  set the screenMouseLoc to tSavedLoc
  answer tColor
end mouseUp
--

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam - Tools for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

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From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Jul 29 12:43:59 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:43:59 +0100
Subject: Missing Script Code in Afterword of My Book
In-Reply-To: <486BC382-9146-4F8D-B886-4728015CF34F@danshafer.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507290100420.22243-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<486BC382-9146-4F8D-B886-4728015CF34F@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <42EA5CCF.40809@tweedly.net>

Dan Shafer wrote:

> Yeah, it was less the mistake itself than the questions it raised in  
> my mind. If several hundred people have bought this book in one form  
> or another and nobody has yet pointed out this error -- which made  
> the major example in the book not work -- does this mean: (a) they  
> figured it out themselves (it *was* sort of obvious on one level);  
> (b) they didn't catch it at all; or (c) they haven't read the chapter  
> (or perhaps the book)?

Dan, I have your book. I read it all, I did maybe 50% of the samples - 
the choice of which ones I did versus which ones I did not do wasn't 
particularly because I thought were necessary, or interesting or 
anything .... it was based simply on whether I was reading that section 
in the office, the kitchen or the bath :-)    That's one of the joys of 
a printed book.

I have no recollection whether I did or didn't do this particular one, 
but if I did I must have figured it out without noticing. (Had I 
noticed, I'd have whined .... sorry, I'd have given feedback to the author.)

> As a writer, I know mistakes will appear in my code. I try hard to  
> test it and then copy-paste code directly rather than retyping it.  
> Over the years, reviewers have been consistently kind about the  
> paucity of at least code errors in my books. That's a rep I'd like  
> not to tarnish more than necessary.
>
> Next time, I need to find copy-readers who are perhaps less  
> knowledgeable and who have and can take more time to review copy in  
> greater detail.

This may be impractical ....

Can you apply automated testing techniques to the code intended for 
inclusion in the book ?
  (including the process of getting the code from its original place to 
the publisher's production process) ?

Alternatively, could you devise a method to take the (about to be) 
published version, automatically extract from it the code samples and 
put them into a test framework. I don't know what you use for 
preparation of such books, but many, many years ago I was writing 
reference docs for software libraries (in Framemaker), and we'd use 
paragraph tags in the Frame document to indicate code samples to 
extract, with enough info to determine where each sample should fit in 
the test framework. It was possible (but really quite hard) to get the 
code to appear in the printed book without also getting it into the test 
code.

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From bann at sunncomm.com  Fri Jul 29 12:58:16 2005
From: bann at sunncomm.com (Ban Nguyen)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:58:16 -0700
Subject: rotating images
Message-ID: <D5AF0E7033A9CD41AD82E425E0DF068C0333E5C0@mail.bedrock.corp.sunncomm.com>


Hi Dave,

This is perfect exactly what I am looking for.  Thank you sooooo much
One thing I want to add is make those images loop.  Example 1-2-3 then
back to 1-2-3 and so on.  Right now it stops at 3

Should I add "repeat with ........"



Thank you so much again




----------------------------------



Hi,

I think the code you are looking for is something like this in the Card
Script:


global gImageCounter


on openCard
put 1 into gImageCounter

send "DisplayNextImage" to me in 1 second
end openCard





on DisplayNextImage

switch gImageCounter

case 1
set the fileName of image "ImageObject" to "File1"
break

case 2
set the fileName of image "ImageObject" to "File2"
break



case 3
set the fileName of image "ImageObject" to "File3"

--
--  On the last case, you need to reset the counter back 1, but we 
set it to 0 here so that the Add will make it 1
--
put gImageCounter to 0
break

end switch

add 1 to gImageCounter

send "DisplayNextImage" to me in 10 seconds

end DisplayNextImage

A better way of doing it would be to have a list of file names and 
index the list. I have written this way for clarity.


Hope this helps
All the Best
Dave


>Ban,
>
>I would handle this at the card level via:
>
>on openCard
>	send myImageRotate to me in 10 seconds
>end openCard
>
>on myImageRotate
>	-- do your repeat loop here to both rotate and cycle through 
>your images
>	-- maybe use a counter for what image we are on at this time
through
>
>	send myImageRotate to me in 10 seconds
>end myImageRotate
>
>HTH
>
>Tom
>
>On Jul 28, 2005, at 4:01 PM, Ban Nguyen wrote:
>>
>>Do the images sit on top of each other? or are they side by side?
>>On top:
>>Do you want one image to appear and then rotate in ten seconds and
Then
>>disappear and be replaced by image 2 which then rotates in ten seconds
>>to disappear and be replaced by image 3 etc.
>>
>>
>>Yes, the images sit on top of each other.  I want image 1 appears 
>>then 10 sec image 2 appear then 1 sec image 3 appear..........back 
>>to image 1 and so on
>>
>>
>>I have one main stack which has 5 cards.  I want these images keep 
>>changing while user click to go to another card
>>
>>Thanks for your help
>>
>
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From b.xavier at internet.lu  Fri Jul 29 13:08:49 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:08:49 +0200
Subject: Missing Script Code in Afterword of My Book
In-Reply-To: <486BC382-9146-4F8D-B886-4728015CF34F@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <20050729165742.67802825253@mail.runrev.com>


> Yeah, it was less the mistake itself than the questions it 
> raised in my mind. 

welcome to the club... 

X(

But, hey, since we're 2 laps ahead, if not 10 for others, and 
our revs are rightly tuned, it's only a matter of time for them 
to understand why they should help in their own favor... 

i dont mean that sarcastically, but ironically. There's clear proof
that the buddy system or collaboration is practical and beneficial
and which is written all over humanity, history and economics.

On the other hand, maybe the panel with the arrow to greatness wasn't
big enough? 

It's a koan... Think about it...

hava great weekend!!!
http://monsieurx.com



From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Fri Jul 29 13:24:55 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:24:55 -0400
Subject: Revolution as a Prototyping Tool
In-Reply-To: <B2D5488C-BE0B-4FD8-8E20-59C4EA6BAF38@easynet.fr>
References: <544b1505ccc9fd78f8848697896651c1@adelphia.net>
	<B2D5488C-BE0B-4FD8-8E20-59C4EA6BAF38@easynet.fr>
Message-ID: <f133e1ecdcc5d9fdf110f896ca341cfa@adelphia.net>

Pierre,

That is fine if you need to or want to do this. I wanted to give 
something back to the community. This list has been of great help to 
me.

Thank you all,

Tom

On Jul 29, 2005, at 12:04 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote:

> Dear Thomas,
>
> Thanks for sharing this great "tutorial" with all of us !
>
> Action: Do you allow me to translate your work to the French dialect ? 
> If yes, do you allow me to specify, as the credits of the input "? 
> 2005 Thomas J McGrath III" (or any other legal ? mention you prefer to 
> see there, alike your company name)  at the bottom of the translation. 
> If yes, do you allow me to insert this final french issue + your ? 
> credits as a dedicated pages of my company site, something alike 
> <http://www.sahores-conseil.com/revprotoway.html> ?
>
> In any way, thanks again. A great work and communication tool !
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Le 28 juil. 05 ? 15:25, Thomas McGrath III a ?crit :
>
>> Dear List Members,
>>
>> I wanted to share this document that I used when presenting 
>> Revolution to my company/client for consideration in our prototyping 
>> work. Since this list is growing daily, I thought there might be a 
>> few people who would find it useful.
>>
>> Revolution as a Prototyping Tool
>>
>> ?    Prototyping is a process of design and development used to help 
>> model the specifications and requirements for a new application.
>> ?    Once a prototype has been developed it can be quickly moved to 
>> alpha or sometimes even beta without dedicating significant resources 
>> and time.
>> ?    The nature of the Revolution tool is that it is designed for 
>> rapid development of a graphic/data interface by minimizing the need 
>> to write complex machine level code, using instead English like 
>> syntax, coding shortcuts and object (graphical) libraries and 
>> outputting to any supported OS.
>> ?    Using Revolution as a prototyping tool allows the developer to 
>> quickly assemble an elegant prototype. Revolution incorporates the 
>> use of genuine cross platform support without the need for device or 
>> OS specific code compilation, and uses industry standard coding.
>>
>> Proof-of-Concept Development Challenge
>> Commercial realities dictate that there are several key elements to 
>> consider when developing a software solution for a client. These are 
>> even more pertinent at the prototyping stage of a project. Some of 
>> these elements may not be considered as essential at the prototype 
>> stage, but they facilitate the acceptance of the final application to 
>> the client.
>>
>> ?    Fit for Purpose
>> The prototype application should effectively demonstrate the client's 
>> needs and requirements. How does one procure the satisfaction of 
>> expectations without exhaustive research into the underlying issues? 
>> This is possible by using a software prototyping tool, which allows a 
>> concept to be modeled, rapidly aiding in the evaluation of a design.
>> ?    Time restrictions
>> In an ideal world one would choose to slow the process down and run 
>> it through deliberate design and development cycles. However, 
>> available resources invariably dictate this process. The choice of 
>> Revolution as a prototyping tool allows us to make maximum use of the 
>> time at our disposal.
>> ?    Financial constraints
>> Optimally, this type of software should provide the capability to 
>> envision and test such a model using local data and resources without 
>> a major investment in database server(s), network hardware and 
>> software, and the major software engineering costs.
>> ?    Moving Target
>> Many clients are not entirely sure of the exact nature of the product 
>> they require. They may also redefine their requirements based on 
>> outside factors and additional functionality that we can offer. A 
>> prototyping tool has the functionality to address such fundamental 
>> alterations readily and easily.
>> ?    Scalability
>> We should be able to demonstrate the scalable qualities of our 
>> proposed application with the prototype. Our client may not have made 
>> a final decision on the level of deployment at this stage. They may 
>> wish to retain the flexibility to investigate alternatives and 
>> additions before committing to a final strategy.
>> ?    Real time alterations
>> Revolution allows the flexibility to make changes while prototyping 
>> with the client and is possible without the downtime incurred for 
>> recompilation.
>> ?    Appearance
>> Revolution is presentable and has the look and feel of a finished 
>> product. While we are at the prototyping stage, we may still be 
>> selling the concept to our client. The appearance of our prototype 
>> can become very significant, without minor visual anomalies drawing 
>> attention away from the salient issues.
>> ?    Maintaining the Prototype
>> Our choice of Revolution as a prototyping tool should allow us to 
>> keep track of version histories and the alterations that we make to 
>> the application. Ideally we should be able to document the changes we 
>> make together with the client requests. We may also require the 
>> facility to control multiple developers working on the same project. 
>> Revolution allows for us to rapidly develop applications in any 
>> peer-to-peer environment.
>>
>> What Makes Revolution Ideal for Prototyping
>> Regardless of the application we are modeling, Revolution provides 
>> the tools that allow us to effectively create any prototype. Whether 
>> we need to create Internet, Intranet, database applications, with or 
>> without a SQL backend, Revolution is the answer. Applications 
>> prototyped in Revolution cover just about every market segment.
>>
>> Developing prototypes using Revolution significantly reduces the time 
>> we spend creating our applications. This is due to the features and 
>> tool sets that are made available to us within the product. 
>> Revolution embraces the main principles of practical object 
>> orientation. These features include the message hierarchy as well as 
>> code and object reuse. Revolution makes it extremely quick to produce 
>> any GUI. There is also an extensive set of shortcuts and plugins that 
>> cover just about everything from simple window creation to the 
>> handling of e-mails.
>>
>> Having one comprehensive tool that can be used for a multitude of 
>> needs eliminates the cost of having to purchase multiple applications 
>> for prototyping. The initial investment for Revolution is extremely 
>> competitive. This makes tight financial constraints inconsequential 
>> as the product and pricing is as good as and, if not better, than any 
>> prototyping tool currently available.
>> Revolution applications can be developed on any of the supported 
>> platforms including all flavors of Windows (95/98/NT/2000), Mac OS 
>> 9.x and above, and the major Linux distributions. Revolution 
>> applications can be deployed on any or all of these platforms 
>> simultaneously with only minimal or no code changes.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Thomas J McGrath III_______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
> -- 
> Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores
>
> 100, rue de Paris
> F - 77140 Nemours
>
> skype : psahores
>
> psahores+ at +easynet.fr
> sc+ at +sahores-conseil.com
>
> GSM:   +33 6 03 95 77 70
> Pro:      +33 1 64 45 05 33
> Fax:      +33 1 64 45 05 33
>
> <http://www.sahores-conseil.com/>
>
> WEB/VoD/ACID-DB services over IP
> "Mutualiser les deltas de productivit?"
>
>
>
>


Macintosh PowerBook G-4 OSX 10.3.9, OS 9.2.2, 1.25 GHz, 512MB RAM, Rev 
2.6


Advanced Media Group
Eagle Works Art & Sculpture
Semantic Compaction Systems
Prentke Romich Company
Prentke Romich International
SCIconics, LLC
Artist
Thomas J McGrath III
3mcgrath at adelphia.net





From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Fri Jul 29 13:25:36 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:25:36 -0400
Subject: Revolution as a Prototyping Tool
In-Reply-To: <B2D5488C-BE0B-4FD8-8E20-59C4EA6BAF38@easynet.fr>
References: <544b1505ccc9fd78f8848697896651c1@adelphia.net>
	<B2D5488C-BE0B-4FD8-8E20-59C4EA6BAF38@easynet.fr>
Message-ID: <aece7c8cd3b278557a4a713d29a0e5c1@adelphia.net>

Pierre,

That is fine if you need to or want to do this. I wanted to give 
something back to the community. This list has been of great help to 
me.

Thank you all,

Tom

On Jul 29, 2005, at 12:04 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote:

> Dear Thomas,
>
> Thanks for sharing this great "tutorial" with all of us !
>
> Action: Do you allow me to translate your work to the French dialect ? 
> If yes, do you allow me to specify, as the credits of the input "? 
> 2005 Thomas J McGrath III" (or any other legal ? mention you prefer to 
> see there, alike your company name)  at the bottom of the translation. 
> If yes, do you allow me to insert this final french issue + your ? 
> credits as a dedicated pages of my company site, something alike 
> <http://www.sahores-conseil.com/revprotoway.html> ?
>
> In any way, thanks again. A great work and communication tool !
>
> Best Regards,
>



From psahores at easynet.fr  Fri Jul 29 13:36:57 2005
From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:36:57 +0200
Subject: Revolution as a Prototyping Tool
In-Reply-To: <f133e1ecdcc5d9fdf110f896ca341cfa@adelphia.net>
References: <544b1505ccc9fd78f8848697896651c1@adelphia.net>
	<B2D5488C-BE0B-4FD8-8E20-59C4EA6BAF38@easynet.fr>
	<f133e1ecdcc5d9fdf110f896ca341cfa@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <8767E66C-DE2D-4CB9-B008-C258DECA7963@easynet.fr>

Thomas,

I send the link, hopefully, this sunday. Thanks for your kindly  
responses...

Best Regards,

Pierre

Le 29 juil. 05 ? 19:24, Thomas McGrath III a ?crit :

> Pierre,
>
> That is fine if you need to or want to do this. I wanted to give  
> something back to the community. This list has been of great help  
> to me.
>
> Thank you all,
>
> Tom
>
> On Jul 29, 2005, at 12:04 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
>
>
>> Dear Thomas,
>>
>> Thanks for sharing this great "tutorial" with all of us !
>>
>> Action: Do you allow me to translate your work to the French  
>> dialect ? If yes, do you allow me to specify, as the credits of  
>> the input "? 2005 Thomas J McGrath III" (or any other legal ?  
>> mention you prefer to see there, alike your company name)  at the  
>> bottom of the translation. If yes, do you allow me to insert this  
>> final french issue + your ? credits as a dedicated pages of my  
>> company site, something alike <http://www.sahores-conseil.com/ 
>> revprotoway.html> ?
>>
>> In any way, thanks again. A great work and communication tool !
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>>
>> Le 28 juil. 05 ? 15:25, Thomas McGrath III a ?crit :
>>
>>
>>> Dear List Members,
>>>
>>> I wanted to share this document that I used when presenting  
>>> Revolution to my company/client for consideration in our  
>>> prototyping work. Since this list is growing daily, I thought  
>>> there might be a few people who would find it useful.
>>>
>>> Revolution as a Prototyping Tool
>>>
>>> ?    Prototyping is a process of design and development used to  
>>> help model the specifications and requirements for a new  
>>> application.
>>> ?    Once a prototype has been developed it can be quickly moved  
>>> to alpha or sometimes even beta without dedicating significant  
>>> resources and time.
>>> ?    The nature of the Revolution tool is that it is designed for  
>>> rapid development of a graphic/data interface by minimizing the  
>>> need to write complex machine level code, using instead English  
>>> like syntax, coding shortcuts and object (graphical) libraries  
>>> and outputting to any supported OS.
>>> ?    Using Revolution as a prototyping tool allows the developer  
>>> to quickly assemble an elegant prototype. Revolution incorporates  
>>> the use of genuine cross platform support without the need for  
>>> device or OS specific code compilation, and uses industry  
>>> standard coding.
>>>
>>> Proof-of-Concept Development Challenge
>>> Commercial realities dictate that there are several key elements  
>>> to consider when developing a software solution for a client.  
>>> These are even more pertinent at the prototyping stage of a  
>>> project. Some of these elements may not be considered as  
>>> essential at the prototype stage, but they facilitate the  
>>> acceptance of the final application to the client.
>>>
>>> ?    Fit for Purpose
>>> The prototype application should effectively demonstrate the  
>>> client's needs and requirements. How does one procure the  
>>> satisfaction of expectations without exhaustive research into the  
>>> underlying issues? This is possible by using a software  
>>> prototyping tool, which allows a concept to be modeled, rapidly  
>>> aiding in the evaluation of a design.
>>> ?    Time restrictions
>>> In an ideal world one would choose to slow the process down and  
>>> run it through deliberate design and development cycles. However,  
>>> available resources invariably dictate this process. The choice  
>>> of Revolution as a prototyping tool allows us to make maximum use  
>>> of the time at our disposal.
>>> ?    Financial constraints
>>> Optimally, this type of software should provide the capability to  
>>> envision and test such a model using local data and resources  
>>> without a major investment in database server(s), network  
>>> hardware and software, and the major software engineering costs.
>>> ?    Moving Target
>>> Many clients are not entirely sure of the exact nature of the  
>>> product they require. They may also redefine their requirements  
>>> based on outside factors and additional functionality that we can  
>>> offer. A prototyping tool has the functionality to address such  
>>> fundamental alterations readily and easily.
>>> ?    Scalability
>>> We should be able to demonstrate the scalable qualities of our  
>>> proposed application with the prototype. Our client may not have  
>>> made a final decision on the level of deployment at this stage.  
>>> They may wish to retain the flexibility to investigate  
>>> alternatives and additions before committing to a final strategy.
>>> ?    Real time alterations
>>> Revolution allows the flexibility to make changes while  
>>> prototyping with the client and is possible without the downtime  
>>> incurred for recompilation.
>>> ?    Appearance
>>> Revolution is presentable and has the look and feel of a finished  
>>> product. While we are at the prototyping stage, we may still be  
>>> selling the concept to our client. The appearance of our  
>>> prototype can become very significant, without minor visual  
>>> anomalies drawing attention away from the salient issues.
>>> ?    Maintaining the Prototype
>>> Our choice of Revolution as a prototyping tool should allow us to  
>>> keep track of version histories and the alterations that we make  
>>> to the application. Ideally we should be able to document the  
>>> changes we make together with the client requests. We may also  
>>> require the facility to control multiple developers working on  
>>> the same project. Revolution allows for us to rapidly develop  
>>> applications in any peer-to-peer environment.
>>>
>>> What Makes Revolution Ideal for Prototyping
>>> Regardless of the application we are modeling, Revolution  
>>> provides the tools that allow us to effectively create any  
>>> prototype. Whether we need to create Internet, Intranet, database  
>>> applications, with or without a SQL backend, Revolution is the  
>>> answer. Applications prototyped in Revolution cover just about  
>>> every market segment.
>>>
>>> Developing prototypes using Revolution significantly reduces the  
>>> time we spend creating our applications. This is due to the  
>>> features and tool sets that are made available to us within the  
>>> product. Revolution embraces the main principles of practical  
>>> object orientation. These features include the message hierarchy  
>>> as well as code and object reuse. Revolution makes it extremely  
>>> quick to produce any GUI. There is also an extensive set of  
>>> shortcuts and plugins that cover just about everything from  
>>> simple window creation to the handling of e-mails.
>>>
>>> Having one comprehensive tool that can be used for a multitude of  
>>> needs eliminates the cost of having to purchase multiple  
>>> applications for prototyping. The initial investment for  
>>> Revolution is extremely competitive. This makes tight financial  
>>> constraints inconsequential as the product and pricing is as good  
>>> as and, if not better, than any prototyping tool currently  
>>> available.
>>> Revolution applications can be developed on any of the supported  
>>> platforms including all flavors of Windows (95/98/NT/2000), Mac  
>>> OS 9.x and above, and the major Linux distributions. Revolution  
>>> applications can be deployed on any or all of these platforms  
>>> simultaneously with only minimal or no code changes.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Thomas J McGrath III_______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores
>>
>> 100, rue de Paris
>> F - 77140 Nemours
>>
>> skype : psahores
>>
>> psahores+ at +easynet.fr
>> sc+ at +sahores-conseil.com
>>
>> GSM:   +33 6 03 95 77 70
>> Pro:      +33 1 64 45 05 33
>> Fax:      +33 1 64 45 05 33
>>
>> <http://www.sahores-conseil.com/>
>>
>> WEB/VoD/ACID-DB services over IP
>> "Mutualiser les deltas de productivit?"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Macintosh PowerBook G-4 OSX 10.3.9, OS 9.2.2, 1.25 GHz, 512MB RAM,  
> Rev 2.6
>
>
> Advanced Media Group
> Eagle Works Art & Sculpture
> Semantic Compaction Systems
> Prentke Romich Company
> Prentke Romich International
> SCIconics, LLC
> Artist
> Thomas J McGrath III
> 3mcgrath at adelphia.net
>
>
>
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From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Jul 29 13:56:11 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:56:11 +0100
Subject: Help with pop-up menu/choice button, please.
Message-ID: <42EA6DBB.5050100@tweedly.net>


This cannot be as hard as I'm making it ..... so I'll follow the 
excellent advice from the list of not struggling over a simple issue for 
more than an hour and ask for help.    Though I am about 4 hours late 
.... :-(

Easy bit:
I want to have a button, that acts like a pop-up button - i.e. when I 
click on it, up pops a list of choices and I can select one - or I can 
click outside the list of options and get a "cancel" indication back.  
When a choice is made, I do the appropriate action.
This is what I get with a "pop-up menu" selected from the IDE's tool 
palette.

Hard part:
Sometimes, there is only one valid choice; in that case, I'd like to go 
ahead with the appropriate action immediately - don't present a menu, 
just do the action.

I can put in a handler for the mouseDown to the pop-up button - but 
can't find a way to avoid it popping up.

I tried putting in another button, and having its mouseDown take the 
action - either just doing it, or sending mouseDown to the pop-up button 
- but apparently; sending a mouseDown isn't enough to trigger the pop-up.

(I tried a large number of other things, but I'm not going to embarrass 
myself by listing them all ....)

Am I just missing some easy way ?

-- 
Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net



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From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Fri Jul 29 14:02:05 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:02:05 -0400
Subject: color probe (at a point)
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A996812B@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

Here is a function that will do this for you:

function pointcolor pPoint
  put item 1 of pPoint into tL
  put item 2 of pPoint into tT
  put tL + 10 into tR
  put tT +10 into tB
  put tL,tT,tR,tB into tRect
  export snapshot from rect tRect to tImage as GIF
  put "myImage" & the milliseconds into tMyImage
  create invisible image tMyImage
  set the width of image tMyImage to 10
  set the height of image tMyImage to 10
  put tImage into image tMyImage
  put the imagedata of image tMyImage into tData
  delete image tMyImage
  put chartonum(char 2 of tData),chartonum(char 3 of
tData),chartonum(char 4 of tData) into tColor
  return tColor  
end pointcolor

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Ronald
Swartz
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 12:15 PM
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Subject: color probe (at a point)

How would one determine (or return) the color at a point on the screen, 
under script control of course.  I would like it to be something like:

get the tcolor at 340,230      (where I just made up the name "tcolor.")

Is there any easy way to do this.  I am working on something which 
requires me to poll the points in the neighborhood of a screen point 
and cannot see anything in revolution which would provide that tool.  
Help would be appreciated.

Ron Swartz
tetraron at comcast.net

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From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Jul 29 14:06:05 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:06:05 -0500
Subject: [OT] Windows Command Help
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A974460C@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A974460C@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <1122660370.C7A70F0@bc12.dngr.org>

Jon,

Thanks so much for this! Just what I needed last night :-)

-Chipp
Chipp Walters, Altuit.com
Sent from my Sidekick


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Jul 29 14:11:33 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:11:33 -0500
Subject: Help with pop-up menu/choice button, please.
In-Reply-To: <42EA6DBB.5050100@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <BF0FDB85.26B08%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 7/29/05 12:56 PM, "Alex Tweedly" <alex at tweedly.net> wrote:

> Am I just missing some easy way ?

Can you just change the style of the button from "menu" to "standard" or
something like that? This way it will actually *be* a regular button and
will get the mouseup, etc. messages but won't get menuPick...

Just my 2 cents,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com





From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Fri Jul 29 14:14:00 2005
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:14:00 -0700
Subject: request for script or stack
In-Reply-To: <4CA6F69D-20C5-4EC9-83D8-B0E541A9AF7B@genesearch.com.au>
References: <p06200701bf0dc91adf09@[10.0.1.2]>
	<FB40B08D-3C68-45C3-B526-1380361DB64B@genesearch.com.au>
	<p06200702bf0df74eb365@[10.0.1.2]>
	<67D10B02-FC9E-49CE-BA7D-F574CECFD78A@genesearch.com.au>
	<p06200709bf0e9d1c8f8a@[10.0.1.2]>
	<4CA6F69D-20C5-4EC9-83D8-B0E541A9AF7B@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <p06200700bf1015b24421@[10.0.1.2]>

Reply from Sarah:

>>
>>If I could wish for one enhancement, the script would scroll a 
>>scrolling background so I could see the hit if it were otherwise 
>>scrolled out of sight. I'm not asking you to script that for me. Is 
>>it scriptable? If so, could you drop me a hint?
>After the find command has done, check "the foundChunk" and see what 
>it gives you. You could select it, which would automatically set the 
>scroll. Or you could work out which line it is and set the vScroll 
>of the field, but that might be tricky if the text is wrapping.


Thanks. Getting the foundchunk could be useful for other purposes, 
too. I tried putting "answer the foundchunk" in various points in 
your script. Nothing happened. I think I need to put it in the script 
of the card of the single-line message box, or something like that. 
Any ideas? If I fine tune this script a bit, I'll share it with the 
group, if anyone's interested.

I think the script has one small problem. It looks like it repeats 
endlessly. The messages don't appear in the message watcher because a 
button passing a message back to itself isn't a system message, 
AFAIK. (I put it in a bg btn.) It doesn't seem to bog the CPU down, 
so normally it wouldn't matter. But at one point, I wanted to cut the 
button and paste it somewhere else. Every time I tried to cut the 
button, Rev spontaneously quit. I finally opened the script, 
commented it out, closed the script, and then cut the button. Then, 
there was no problem. (I guess suspend messages would have worked, 
too.) So, I think it needs a few lines that will stop the script when 
the search is done.

>
>>
>>Regarding the find and replace window, it sounds like yours works a 
>>zillion times faster than mine. Any ideas about why that could be? 
>>My computer isn't a screamer. It's a 466 mhz G4.
>Mine's a 700 MHz G4, so it shouldn't be vastly different. And you 
>have more RAM than me, so that isn't it either. Sorry, I'm stumped. 
>The only suggestion I have is to make sure you are limiting your 
>searches to a specific stack and only one one aspect e.g. fields or 
>scripts. Do you have any of the check boxes on the left checked? I 
>never use them and I guess turning on "Case sensitive" could slow 
>things down.


Yeah, I'm talking about a moderately big stack, but not huge. It's 
2.5 MB. At least half of that is text in fields, often just a first 
and last name in a large number of fields, spread out over a large 
number of pages. (It's a daily schedule.) As I said, If I search for 
"Gloria" with the find-in-the-message box, I can get all eight hits 
in 92 ticks.

If I use the find-and-replace window, searching for field text only, 
in "this stack only" "Obey dontsearch property" turned on it takes 
110 seconds.

I exaggerated before. It's only 71.739 times slower, on a simple find 
text in field.

Yet on large sorts, in this stack and others, Rev is about as fast as 
hyperCard used to be, which seemed pretty darned fast, so the problem 
is not my machine or some problem with my OS or something.


>
>Checking through the Find script used by Rev, it uses either a 
>matchText function (if you selected RegEx) or a simple "if myString 
>is in ..." to find stuff. However it also uses a technique that I 
>hadn't come across before but looks very useful:
>     set allowInterrupts to false  -- this stops people interrupting 
>the script whenever they like
>     periodically, check "the interrupt" which tells you if someone 
>has tried to interrupt the script. This allows you to handle 
>interruptions gracefully and only when you want to.
>
>However, the Find script checks this once for each object that it 
>searches so it seems really weird if it is taking 10 - 15 seconds 
>per object.
>
>Sorry not to be more helpful,

You've been very helpful.

I want to make sure we understand each other. I'm complaining that 
the "find-and-replace" window is very slow. The "find" command, 
whether typed into the one-line message box or scripted, is plenty 
fast.

This is frustrating because the "find-and-replace" window could be 
endlessly useful, if it weren't uselessly slow. I'm in 2.6.1 now.

If we do understand each other, here's my need-to-know question:

***Is my experience with the find-and-replace window unusual?***

I'm a bit perplexed because I think I remember Jacque warning me that 
the "find-and-replace" feature is hopelessly slow, except maybe on a 
dual G5 or something. We were in 2.5.1 at the time.


Best regards,



Tim


From martin at materiaprima.fsnet.co.uk  Fri Jul 29 14:33:11 2005
From: martin at materiaprima.fsnet.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:33:11 +0100
Subject: Help with pop-up menu/choice button, please.
In-Reply-To: <42EA6DBB.5050100@tweedly.net>
References: <42EA6DBB.5050100@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <42EA7667.1040104@materiaprima.fsnet.co.uk>

Alex,

Not clear whether you are using the popup command already, but if not, 
that might help. Using this you can test whatever you want before 
issuing the command that invokes the popup, something like (in a regular 
mouseup button, locked field etc.) :

if [condition_false] then
     exit to top
end if
popup btn "mypopupbutton" of cd 1 of stack "bla_bla_bla"
## I then routinely add:
if "Win32" is in the platform then then
     wait until the mouse is up with messages
end if
## because on windows the popup command may not pause the script

## the menupick handler itself goes in the popup btn not here

Martin Baxter

Alex Tweedly wrote:
> 
> This cannot be as hard as I'm making it ..... so I'll follow the 
> excellent advice from the list of not struggling over a simple issue for 
> more than an hour and ask for help.    Though I am about 4 hours late 
> .... :-(
> 
> Easy bit:
> I want to have a button, that acts like a pop-up button - i.e. when I 
> click on it, up pops a list of choices and I can select one - or I can 
> click outside the list of options and get a "cancel" indication back.  
> When a choice is made, I do the appropriate action.
> This is what I get with a "pop-up menu" selected from the IDE's tool 
> palette.
> 
> Hard part:
> Sometimes, there is only one valid choice; in that case, I'd like to go 
> ahead with the appropriate action immediately - don't present a menu, 
> just do the action.
> 
> I can put in a handler for the mouseDown to the pop-up button - but 
> can't find a way to avoid it popping up.
> 
> I tried putting in another button, and having its mouseDown take the 
> action - either just doing it, or sending mouseDown to the pop-up button 
> - but apparently; sending a mouseDown isn't enough to trigger the pop-up.
> 
> (I tried a large number of other things, but I'm not going to embarrass 
> myself by listing them all ....)
> 
> Am I just missing some easy way ?
> 



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Jul 29 14:41:06 2005
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:41:06 -0600
Subject: Changing input keyboard
Message-ID: <5B23DA5E-156D-4044-90C0-21D308A59CFB@byu.edu>

This question was raised a while back, and I never saw a satisfactory  
solution. If I want to change the input keyboard when the insertion  
point goes to a field with non-Latin text, can it be done by scripting?

In OS X I change the input method by selecting the desired language/ 
keyboard layout in the input menu (the one with little flag icons in  
it.) There is a similar process in Windows. Can this be scripted  
under either or both OS's? I can find no obvious Transcript or  
AppleScript way to do it on my Mac OS X system.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From Cubist at aol.com  Fri Jul 29 14:54:07 2005
From: Cubist at aol.com (Cubist at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:54:07 EDT
Subject: rotating images
Message-ID: <1fc.6a3b785.301bd54f@aol.com>

sez bann at sunncomm.com:
>One thing I want to add is make those images loop.  Example 1-2-3 then
>back to 1-2-3 and so on.  Right now it stops at 3
>
>Should I add "repeat with ........"
   Possible, but not necessary. If you want to have an index number cycle 
thru 1-2-3-1-2-3-1-2-3... forever, this does the trick:

  put (1 + (IndexNumber mod 3)) into IndexNumber

   Obviously, you'll have to change that "3" to a different number if you're 
cycling thru more or less than 3 images. And if there's a chance that the 
number of images will change, you should replace that "3" with a variable, like so:

  put (1 + (IndexNumber mod NumberOfImages)) into IndexNumber

   Hope this helps...


From see3d at writeme.com  Fri Jul 29 15:56:04 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:56:04 -0400
Subject: Missing Script Code in Afterword of My Book
In-Reply-To: <486BC382-9146-4F8D-B886-4728015CF34F@danshafer.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0507290100420.22243-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<486BC382-9146-4F8D-B886-4728015CF34F@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <7FC12838-6C82-42C7-B48F-B6ED8F9E30B2@writeme.com>

Dan,

I would not be overly concerned.  I have your book and I read some  
chapters, skimmed others, and read, but did no examples.  I had  
previous HC and SC experience in the distant past.  I tend to skim a  
how-to reference book so I know where things are and see if any new  
concepts are there (I slow down for those) --I then rely extensively  
on a good table of contents or Index to re-find stuff if I get  
stuck.  I usually just dive in and make up my own examples that  
relate to something I am interested in.  When I want to start a  
project, I go looking for a sample stack that has some quality I need  
for my project, then gut the H... out of it, and build from there.   
That just points to the value of having GOOD & SIMPLE sample scripts  
of many different kinds of applications that can be used as starting  
points for newbies to start their own projects.  I am working on a  
huge stack that somewhere in the depths says: Open Anything.

Dennis

On Jul 29, 2005, at 12:05 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:

> Judy....
>
> On Jul 29, 2005, at 1:05 AM, Judy Perry wrote:
>
>
>> You're a published writer; aren't you accustomed this this? (I  
>> personally
>> know how this sux; see below for personal sob-story)
>>
>>
>
> Yeah, it was less the mistake itself than the questions it raised  
> in my mind. If several hundred people have bought this book in one  
> form or another and nobody has yet pointed out this error -- which  
> made the major example in the book not work -- does this mean: (a)  
> they figured it out themselves (it *was* sort of obvious on one  
> level); (b) they didn't catch it at all; or (c) they haven't read  
> the chapter (or perhaps the book)?
>
> As a writer, I know mistakes will appear in my code. I try hard to  
> test it and then copy-paste code directly rather than retyping it.  
> Over the years, reviewers have been consistently kind about the  
> paucity of at least code errors in my books. That's a rep I'd like  
> not to tarnish more than necessary.
>
> Next time, I need to find copy-readers who are perhaps less  
> knowledgeable and who have and can take more time to review copy in  
> greater detail.
>
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author
> http://www.shafermedia.com
> Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
> From http://www.revolutionpros.com, Click "My Stuff"
>
>
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From see3d at writeme.com  Fri Jul 29 16:14:57 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:14:57 -0400
Subject: Help with pop-up menu/choice button, please.
In-Reply-To: <42EA6DBB.5050100@tweedly.net>
References: <42EA6DBB.5050100@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <84E17A4E-5FB5-4A00-BF2D-91C1AB66C76B@writeme.com>

Alex,

I wanted the same sort of thing.  What I decided was the best  
solution was to use a field instead of a button.  I have just one  
"PopUp Menu" button that I load with the list and pop it up at the  
location of the field.  Since everything is under the control of my  
PopUpParams script below, I could check for the contents of the  
choices and just skip the popup part if only one choice existed.  I  
have not edited my script for your example, because you could do a  
better job of that than I could.  I am sure you could modify it to  
work with buttons also.

Dennis


ON PopUpParams fieldParams1 --set a parameter field to the user  
selection
     local selected1,it
     --fieldParams1 is a param list formatted as returned in  
ScreenParams() above
     --a popup menu is displayed on top of the field clicked on by  
the user
     --  a single popup button is used for everything by changing its  
menus
     --the selected entry is then placed into the field and saved in  
the set properties of the field
     --USAGE:
     --called from a mouseDown handler in a locked field: PopUpParams  
priceParams(1)
     --
     #1 create the text for the popup menu btn
     --
     REPEAT for each line line1 in fieldParams1
         put item 1 of line1 &cr after it
     END repeat
     set the text of btn "PopUp Menu" to it
     #2 put the selection into the field
     set the menuHistory of btn "PopUp Menu" to 2 --blank line, no  
change
     popup button "PopUp Menu" at bottomLeft of the target
     get the menuHistory of btn "PopUp Menu"
     put line it of fieldParams1 into selected1
     replace comma with cr in selected1
     IF (selected1 <> empty) AND (selected1 <> the text of the  
target) AND (it<>2)
     THEN --changing settings
         put selected1 into the target
         get the short name of the target --e.g. SL5
         put "F" into char 2 of it --e.g. SF5
         IF exists( fld it )
         THEN --set the default value into the input field
             put line 6 of selected1 into fld it
             set the dataP[SetNum()] of fld it to fld it
         END if
         --
         IF line 7 of selected1 is not empty --color the text
         THEN set the textColor of the target to item (line 7 of  
selected1) of colorListK
         IF line 8 of selected1 is not empty
         THEN set the backColor of the target to item (line 8 of  
selected1) of colorListK
         --
         #3 save as current setting and pW[]
         set the dataP[SetNum()] of the target to selected1
     END if
     UpdateParams
END PopUpParams

FUNCTION PriceParams option1 --returns the parameters for all  
selected execution prices in the UI
     --option1 is an optional parameter which specifies additional  
sets of options are to be returned
     --if it is empty, the screens to be returned will be based on  
the indicator type function
     --USAGE:
     --The user can select different execution prices in the list for  
initial and ending trades
     --The selected price name and the next items will be loaded into  
the field in separate lines
     --Only the first line will be visible, but all the other  
parameters will be saved as part of the set:
     -- 
Name,Screen#,MinValue,MaxValue,Decimals,Default,textcolor#,bkgColor#
     --  Price# identifies the option for switch cases, global array  
index, and priceList1.
     --  MinValue,MaxValue is for input checking
     --  Decimals is for formatting the field
     --  Default value for input field
     --  textColor#,bkgColor# is index into a list of colors
     --
     local list1
     get "Select Exe Price,0,0,0,0,,3,0,"&cr&cr
     IF AlgorType()&option1 is among the items of  
"1100,1101,1110,1111,1990,1991" --all indicator types
     THEN put "510,511,512,513,514,515,516,517" into list1 --all  
execution prices (start trade)
     IF AlgorType()&option1 is among the items of  
"11001,11011,11101,11111,19901,19911" --all indicator types+stop
     THEN put "510,513,516,517" into list1 --execuution prices for  
stop trade
     --
     IF 510 is among the items of list1 THEN get it&"D1Typ +,510,-. 
50,.50,2,0,2,1," &cr --Use Typ tomarrow
     IF 511 is among the items of list1 THEN get it&"D0Typ +,511,-. 
50,.50,2,0,2,1," &cr --Use Typ today
     IF 512 is among the items of list1 THEN get it&"IF D0Typ +,512,-. 
50,.50,2,0,2,1," &cr --Use Typ today IF avail tomarrow
     IF 513 is among the items of list1 THEN get it&"IF D0Typ!D1C +, 
513,-.50,.50,2,0,2,1," &cr --Use Typ today IF avail tomarrow else close
     IF 514 is among the items of list1 THEN get it&"D0Close +,514,-. 
50,.50,2,0,2,1," &cr --Use close today
     IF 515 is among the items of list1 THEN get it&"IF D0Close +, 
515,-.50,.50,2,0,2,1," &cr --Use close today IF avail tomarrow
     IF 516 is among the items of list1 THEN get it&"IF D0Close!D1C +, 
516,-.50,.50,2,0,2,1," &cr --Use close today IF avail tomarrow else  
close
     IF 517 is among the items of list1 THEN get it&"D1Open +,517,-. 
50,.50,2,0,2,1," &cr --Use open tomarrow
     return it
END PriceParams


On Jul 29, 2005, at 1:56 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

>
> This cannot be as hard as I'm making it ..... so I'll follow the  
> excellent advice from the list of not struggling over a simple  
> issue for more than an hour and ask for help.    Though I am about  
> 4 hours late .... :-(
>
> Easy bit:
> I want to have a button, that acts like a pop-up button - i.e. when  
> I click on it, up pops a list of choices and I can select one - or  
> I can click outside the list of options and get a "cancel"  
> indication back.  When a choice is made, I do the appropriate action.
> This is what I get with a "pop-up menu" selected from the IDE's  
> tool palette.
>
> Hard part:
> Sometimes, there is only one valid choice; in that case, I'd like  
> to go ahead with the appropriate action immediately - don't present  
> a menu, just do the action.
>
> I can put in a handler for the mouseDown to the pop-up button - but  
> can't find a way to avoid it popping up.
>
> I tried putting in another button, and having its mouseDown take  
> the action - either just doing it, or sending mouseDown to the pop- 
> up button - but apparently; sending a mouseDown isn't enough to  
> trigger the pop-up.
>
> (I tried a large number of other things, but I'm not going to  
> embarrass myself by listing them all ....)
>
> Am I just missing some easy way ?
>
> -- 
> Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net
>
>
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jul 29 16:22:49 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:22:49 -0500
Subject: Load URL doesn't send message
In-Reply-To: <98008438-1FFD-4EFB-832E-CB311D061F50@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <42E99569.3090000@hyperactivesw.com>
	<98008438-1FFD-4EFB-832E-CB311D061F50@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <42EA9019.3070002@hyperactivesw.com>

Dave Cragg wrote:
> 
> On 29 Jul 2005, at 03:33, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>> I'm using libURL 1.1.3b1 (apparently what ships with 2.6) and can't  
>> get a message when the URL is done. I'm trying:
>>
>>  load url tURL with message "myMsg"
>>
>> No message is sent. Is it just me?
> 
> 
> It's just you, Jacque. I'm going back to bed.

Well, you're smarter than I am, because I've been at this for a couple 
of days now without any progress. What I seem to be getting is lots of 
empty status messages. What do those mean?

> The things that could cause the message not to be sent that I can  think 
> of:
> 
> An "unload url" or clearing of  the pendingMessages after the message  
> has been sent but before it is handled. The likely place for this  kind 
> of thing would be in the status callback handler. After a  succesful 
> load, the final  callback message gets sent just before the  "load 
> message", both sent in 0 milliseconds. So if your callback  handler does 
> one of these things when the status is "downloaded", the  message won't 
> get sent.
> 
> So I'd look at the callback handler first.

I'm not doing either of those things so that isn't it.

What does it mean if the status is always empty? That is what I seem to 
be getting. Then my status checking handler runs like mad but doesn't do 
anything.

I've simplified my script a lot for testing. This is what I'm using at 
the moment:

on downloadFile tURL
   unload url tURL -- just for testing, so I can reuse it
   load url tURL with message "saveFile"
   get the result
   if it <> "" then answer it
   checkStatus tURL
end downloadFile

on checkStatus tURL
   put urlStatus(tURL) into tStatus
   if tStatus contains "loading" then
     set the endValue of sb "progress" to item -1 of tStatus
     set the thumbPos of sb "progress" to item -2 of tStatus
   else
     put tStatus
   end if
   if tStatus is not among the items of "cached,error,timeout" then
     send "checkStatus" to me in 50 milliseconds
   end if
end checkStatus

on saveFile tURL,tStatus
   answer "SAVEFILE MESSAGE RECEIVED"
end saveFile

Nothing happens at all, except for the pending message that goes 
repeatedly until I manually cancel it. Setting a breakpoint always shows 
that tStatus is empty (which is why the script runs away with itself.) 
The file doesn't come through usually. Sometimes it does.

It isn't my connection, because I can run RevNet or Eric's sample 
tutorial and they work fine and their progress bars move. However, 
neither of these use a callback message. I can make mine work too if I 
don't use a callback message, and if I instead check for a "cached" 
status and act on that.

Same behavior with any URL I try, including "http://www.google.com", so 
it isn't the URL. Also, same behavior if I comment out the "checkStatus" 
call and just wait for a confirmation from "saveFile". I don't get one.


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From revolution at jaedworks.com  Fri Jul 29 03:46:54 2005
From: revolution at jaedworks.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:46:54 -0700
Subject: possible imagesource bug
In-Reply-To: <f4ebb195050728142259cdc3b0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f4ebb195050728142259cdc3b0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p062102d5bf0f47a6fe5d@[192.168.2.153]>

At 5:22 PM -0400 7/28/2005, Levi Kendall wrote:
>that).  Anyway, what my problem using it has been is when the cursor
>is immediately in front of an image in the field, any letter that gets
>pressed (or even spacebar / numbers / etc) will assume the imagesource
>property for that character, and the character that was originally
>being used for the image (with imagesource) will be placed after the
>image in the field.  Essentially what this is like if you are looking
>at it happen is the new char is pushing the old char out of the image.

Due respect to Eric, but I disagree with him and think that's a bug. 
The imageSource is a character attribute, and it should no more drift 
from character to character as you type than boldfacing or a color 
change does.

I confirm that this happens in 2.5.1 and the latest 2.6, although 
only when you add text on the same line as the image. (If you add 
text in the field on a previous line, the image isn't affected.) Want 
to Bugzilla it?
-- 
jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
http://www.jaedworks.com


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul 29 16:50:24 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 22:50:24 +0200
Subject: possible imagesource bug
In-Reply-To: <p062102d5bf0f47a6fe5d@[192.168.2.153]>
References: <f4ebb195050728142259cdc3b0@mail.gmail.com>
	<p062102d5bf0f47a6fe5d@[192.168.2.153]>
Message-ID: <FC4C51AF-459D-4278-A644-779E7F2A79B0@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Jeanne,

That's the problem: is imageSource a character attribute?
You think that it should. I noticed it's not.
And I agree: your relevant comment about lines shows there is here  
obviously something inconsistent.
So you are right, it's worth to Bugzilla this...

Le 29 juil. 05 ? 09:46, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto a ?crit :

> At 5:22 PM -0400 7/28/2005, Levi Kendall wrote:
>
>> that).  Anyway, what my problem using it has been is when the cursor
>> is immediately in front of an image in the field, any letter that  
>> gets
>> pressed (or even spacebar / numbers / etc) will assume the  
>> imagesource
>> property for that character, and the character that was originally
>> being used for the image (with imagesource) will be placed after the
>> image in the field.  Essentially what this is like if you are looking
>> at it happen is the new char is pushing the old char out of the  
>> image.
>>
>
> Due respect to Eric, but I disagree with him and think that's a  
> bug. The imageSource is a character attribute, and it should no  
> more drift from character to character as you type than boldfacing  
> or a color change does.
>
> I confirm that this happens in 2.5.1 and the latest 2.6, although  
> only when you add text on the same line as the image. (If you add  
> text in the field on a previous line, the image isn't affected.)  
> Want to Bugzilla it?


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Jul 29 16:56:38 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:56:38 +0100
Subject: Help with pop-up menu/choice button, please.
In-Reply-To: <BF0FDB85.26B08%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <BF0FDB85.26B08%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <42EA9806.6090802@tweedly.net>

Ken Ray wrote:

>On 7/29/05 12:56 PM, "Alex Tweedly" <alex at tweedly.net> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Am I just missing some easy way ?
>>    
>>
>
>Can you just change the style of the button from "menu" to "standard" or
>something like that? This way it will actually *be* a regular button and
>will get the mouseup, etc. messages but won't get menuPick...
>
>  
>
Thanks Ken, but I don't think that's the way to go .... it might be 
possible to do it that way, but Martin's suggestion looks like the 
easier approach.

Martin Baxter wrote:

> Not clear whether you are using the popup command already, but if not, 
> that might help. Using this you can test whatever you want before 
> issuing the command that invokes the popup, something like (in a 
> regular mouseup button, locked field etc.) :
>
I wasn't. I remembered it, but somehow failed to make the connection to 
using it in this case. The docs even say

> Comments:
> Use the popup command in a mouseDown handler to display the menu.
> The popup menu appears with its top left corner at the location. If no 
> location is specified, the menu's top left corner is at the mouse 
> location. While the popup menu is displayed, the handler pauses.

so that's what I'm doing. I now have a regular button, with a mouseDown 
handler which decides whether to pop-up or not.

The only odd thing is that when I depress the mouse button, I get a 
mouseDown to my button, and when it does the "popup" I immediately get a 
"mouseUp" to my main button - even though the mouse button is still 
depressed. When the mouse button is released, that is taken by the popup 
button, and therefore doesn't go to the original button. So I guess this 
ensures that the mouseDown and mouseUp events stay symmetric- but it was 
a surprise.

I would have added this to Web Notes entry or "popup", but that option 
isn't available (grayed out). I remember this was mentioned a while ago, 
but don't remember any conclusion - is adding to web notes disabled ??

-- 
Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net

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From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Fri Jul 29 17:11:16 2005
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:11:16 -0500
Subject: color probe (at a point)
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A996812B@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A996812B@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <42EA9B74.9090509@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Lynch, Jonathan wrote:
>   export snapshot from rect tRect to tImage as GIF

I would recommend that you export the image as a PNG instead of a GIF. 
Remember that the GIF format only supports 256 colors (though it is 
possible to get more) while the PNG format supports something like 
thousands or millions (can't remember which).


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
_______________________________________________
Compress Photos for the Web with JPEGCompress
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul 29 17:12:24 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 23:12:24 +0200
Subject: Help with pop-up menu/choice button, please.
In-Reply-To: <42EA6DBB.5050100@tweedly.net>
References: <42EA6DBB.5050100@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <CF53AFF5-331E-46BC-A2DA-E9641191E63B@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Alex,

I did not followed exactly this thread but just some thoughts:

In my plugins I use often popup menus I treat as they were "normal"  
menus called by clicking on a "normal" button.
In the "normal" button script:

on mouseDown
   if the platform = "MacOs" then ShowPullDownMenu
end mouseDown
----------------------------------------------
on mouseUp
   if the platform <> "MacOS" then ShowPullDownMenu
end mouseUp
----------------------------------------------
on ShowPullDownMenu
   <statements> -- building the menu in a variable named tMenu
   put the bottomLeft of me into tLoc
   if the platform = "MacOS" then add 2 to item 2 of tLoc
   else subtract 2 from item 2 of tLoc
   put tMenu into btn <popup button name> -- the items I want
   popUp btn <popup button name> at tLoc
end ShowPullDownMenu

Note that the behaviour can't be the same for Mac and Win32.
You could adapt the ShowPullDownMenu handler in order to act  
accordingly to your context: ie display a menu or do another action.
Hope but don't know if this helps :-)

Le 29 juil. 05 ? 19:56, Alex Tweedly a ?crit :

> This cannot be as hard as I'm making it ..... so I'll follow the  
> excellent advice from the list of not struggling over a simple  
> issue for more than an hour and ask for help.    Though I am about  
> 4 hours late .... :-(
>
> Easy bit:
> I want to have a button, that acts like a pop-up button - i.e. when  
> I click on it, up pops a list of choices and I can select one - or  
> I can click outside the list of options and get a "cancel"  
> indication back.  When a choice is made, I do the appropriate action.
> This is what I get with a "pop-up menu" selected from the IDE's  
> tool palette.
>
> Hard part:
> Sometimes, there is only one valid choice; in that case, I'd like  
> to go ahead with the appropriate action immediately - don't present  
> a menu, just do the action.
>
> I can put in a handler for the mouseDown to the pop-up button - but  
> can't find a way to avoid it popping up.
>
> I tried putting in another button, and having its mouseDown take  
> the action - either just doing it, or sending mouseDown to the pop- 
> up button - but apparently; sending a mouseDown isn't enough to  
> trigger the pop-up.
>
> (I tried a large number of other things, but I'm not going to  
> embarrass myself by listing them all ....)
>



From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Fri Jul 29 17:13:55 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:13:55 -0400
Subject: color probe (at a point)
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A996812E@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

I switched it to png and tried it, and it works fine like that as well.
So, if it will be more accurate, then cool!

Thanks Derek.

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Derek Bump
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 5:11 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: color probe (at a point)

Lynch, Jonathan wrote:
>   export snapshot from rect tRect to tImage as GIF

I would recommend that you export the image as a PNG instead of a GIF. 
Remember that the GIF format only supports 256 colors (though it is 
possible to get more) while the PNG format supports something like 
thousands or millions (can't remember which).


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
_______________________________________________
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http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/

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From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Fri Jul 29 17:18:17 2005
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 22:18:17 +0100
Subject: Load URL doesn't send message
In-Reply-To: <42EA9019.3070002@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <42E99569.3090000@hyperactivesw.com>
	<98008438-1FFD-4EFB-832E-CB311D061F50@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<42EA9019.3070002@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <38B48591-6076-47FE-A952-CA6A8A46553D@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 29 Jul 2005, at 21:22, J. Landman Gay wrote:


>
> I've simplified my script a lot for testing. This is what I'm using  
> at the moment:
>
> on downloadFile tURL
>   unload url tURL -- just for testing, so I can reuse it
>   load url tURL with message "saveFile"
>   get the result
>   if it <> "" then answer it
>   checkStatus tURL
> end downloadFile
>
> on checkStatus tURL
>   put urlStatus(tURL) into tStatus
>   if tStatus contains "loading" then
>     set the endValue of sb "progress" to item -1 of tStatus
>     set the thumbPos of sb "progress" to item -2 of tStatus
>   else
>     put tStatus
>   end if
>   if tStatus is not among the items of "cached,error,timeout" then
>     send "checkStatus" to me in 50 milliseconds ###ERROR HERE
>   end if
> end checkStatus
>
> on saveFile tURL,tStatus
>   answer "SAVEFILE MESSAGE RECEIVED"
> end saveFile

It should be:

   send "checkStatus tURL" to me in 50 milliseconds

This would explain the empty status results.

However, even with that error, I was still seeing the final message  
answer dialog. I gather you're not seeing that. Can you let me know  
if you're still having problems.

Cheers
Dave


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Jul 29 17:23:36 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 23:23:36 +0200
Subject: Load URL doesn't send message
In-Reply-To: <38B48591-6076-47FE-A952-CA6A8A46553D@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <42E99569.3090000@hyperactivesw.com>
	<98008438-1FFD-4EFB-832E-CB311D061F50@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<42EA9019.3070002@hyperactivesw.com>
	<38B48591-6076-47FE-A952-CA6A8A46553D@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <F65750E2-381C-4414-911C-A178CCC1ABB5@sosmartsoftware.com>

If I dare ;-)

send "checkStatus" && tURL to me in 50 milliseconds

Jacque, note that 50 milliseconds might appear a bit slow with light  
files and fast connection.
My two cents.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

Le 29 juil. 05 ? 23:18, Dave Cragg a ?crit :

> On 29 Jul 2005, at 21:22, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>
>
>>
>> I've simplified my script a lot for testing. This is what I'm  
>> using at the moment:
>>
>> on downloadFile tURL
>>   unload url tURL -- just for testing, so I can reuse it
>>   load url tURL with message "saveFile"
>>   get the result
>>   if it <> "" then answer it
>>   checkStatus tURL
>> end downloadFile
>>
>> on checkStatus tURL
>>   put urlStatus(tURL) into tStatus
>>   if tStatus contains "loading" then
>>     set the endValue of sb "progress" to item -1 of tStatus
>>     set the thumbPos of sb "progress" to item -2 of tStatus
>>   else
>>     put tStatus
>>   end if
>>   if tStatus is not among the items of "cached,error,timeout" then
>>     send "checkStatus" to me in 50 milliseconds ###ERROR HERE
>>   end if
>> end checkStatus
>>
>> on saveFile tURL,tStatus
>>   answer "SAVEFILE MESSAGE RECEIVED"
>> end saveFile
>>
>
> It should be:
>
>   send "checkStatus tURL" to me in 50 milliseconds
>
> This would explain the empty status results.
>
> However, even with that error, I was still seeing the final message  
> answer dialog. I gather you're not seeing that. Can you let me know  
> if you're still having problems.

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From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Jul 29 17:54:39 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 22:54:39 +0100
Subject: Help with pop-up menu/choice button, please.
In-Reply-To: <CF53AFF5-331E-46BC-A2DA-E9641191E63B@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <42EA6DBB.5050100@tweedly.net>
	<CF53AFF5-331E-46BC-A2DA-E9641191E63B@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <42EAA59F.8040300@tweedly.net>

Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi Alex,
>
> I did not followed exactly this thread but just some thoughts:
>
> In my plugins I use often popup menus I treat as they were "normal"  
> menus called by clicking on a "normal" button.
> <snip>

> Hope but don't know if this helps :-)

Yes thanks Eric (and Dennis)  - those do both help.

Eric - I have some questions about the Win vs Mac behaviour - but I'll 
move that to a separate thread ....

-- 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jul 29 18:09:58 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:09:58 -0500
Subject: Load URL doesn't send message
In-Reply-To: <98008438-1FFD-4EFB-832E-CB311D061F50@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <42E99569.3090000@hyperactivesw.com>
	<98008438-1FFD-4EFB-832E-CB311D061F50@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <42EAA936.2060801@hyperactivesw.com>

Dave Cragg wrote:
> 
> On 29 Jul 2005, at 03:33, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>> I'm using libURL 1.1.3b1 (apparently what ships with 2.6) and can't  
>> get a message when the URL is done. I'm trying:
>>
>>  load url tURL with message "myMsg"
>>
>> No message is sent. Is it just me?

Updated info: I went over to MetaCard and ran the same test stack. Now I 
do get a message from libURL, so it looks like there is something in Rev 
2.6 that is blocking it. Meanwhile, in MetaCard, I altered my status 
handler a bit so that it only reports non-empty status and it exits if 
status is empty, like this:

on checkStatus tURL
   put urlStatus(tURL) into tStatus
   if tStatus contains "loading" then
     set the endValue of sb "progress" to item 3 of tStatus
     set the thumbPos of sb "progress" to item 2 of tStatus
     put tStatus into fld "status"
   else
     if tStatus <> "" then put tStatus into fld "status"
   end if
   if tStatus is not among the items of "cached,error,timeout" \
      and tStatus <> ""
   then send "checkStatus" to me in 50 milliseconds
end checkStatus

What I saw in the "status" field was "contacted" and nothing else. The 
progress bar did not update, although the "saveFile" custom message was 
sent by libURL at the end. I tried on various files of different sizes. 
In MetaCard I always do get a cached file though, unlike in Rev.

Can anyone repeat this behavior? Or is it still just me?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From revdan at danshafer.com  Fri Jul 29 18:58:07 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:58:07 -0700
Subject: Windows Command Code Resolved
Message-ID: <92AE4131-9803-48DF-A18B-6F331785D2B2@danshafer.com>

Just to close the loop on my earlier question....

Chipp and I walked through on the phone the use of the "start"  
command in the Win shell and for some reason, it worked fine. I think  
I was enclosing the file name in quotation marks earlier and when I  
took them out, voila!

So the bare-bones version of this is simplicity itself:

on mouseUp
   if the platform is "Win32"  then
     put "start" && the eBookContents of this stack into openCmd
   else
     put "open" && the eBookContents of this stack into openCmd
   end if
   put shell (openCmd) into shellResult
end mouseUp

Lots of error-checking and other stuff to add, of course, but this  
gets me to the next level.

I appreciate everyone's help, esp. Jonathan, who went way above and  
beyond and, of course, Chipp.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author
http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
 From http://www.revolutionpros.com, Click "My Stuff"





From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Fri Jul 29 19:06:57 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:06:57 -0400
Subject: Windows Command Code Resolved
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9968134@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>

Something to be wary of...

If the file path to your document contains spaces, it might confuse the
start command.

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Dan Shafer
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 6:58 PM
To: Revolution List
Subject: Windows Command Code Resolved

Just to close the loop on my earlier question....

Chipp and I walked through on the phone the use of the "start"  
command in the Win shell and for some reason, it worked fine. I think  
I was enclosing the file name in quotation marks earlier and when I  
took them out, voila!

So the bare-bones version of this is simplicity itself:

on mouseUp
   if the platform is "Win32"  then
     put "start" && the eBookContents of this stack into openCmd
   else
     put "open" && the eBookContents of this stack into openCmd
   end if
   put shell (openCmd) into shellResult
end mouseUp

Lots of error-checking and other stuff to add, of course, but this  
gets me to the next level.

I appreciate everyone's help, esp. Jonathan, who went way above and  
beyond and, of course, Chipp.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author
http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
 From http://www.revolutionpros.com, Click "My Stuff"



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From bnz2 at cdc.gov  Fri Jul 29 19:17:35 2005
From: bnz2 at cdc.gov (Lynch, Jonathan)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:17:35 -0400
Subject: Windows Command Code Resolved
Message-ID: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9744610@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>


Perhaps doing this?

put "start" && quote & the eBookContents of this stack & quote into
openCmd

also, for some Windows systems, I believe that it is necessary to
replace "/" with "\" in your file path.

Hey Dan, what Windows OS are you using? 

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Lynch,
Jonathan
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 7:07 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: RE: Windows Command Code Resolved

Something to be wary of...

If the file path to your document contains spaces, it might confuse the
start command.

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Dan Shafer
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 6:58 PM
To: Revolution List
Subject: Windows Command Code Resolved

Just to close the loop on my earlier question....

Chipp and I walked through on the phone the use of the "start"  
command in the Win shell and for some reason, it worked fine. I think  
I was enclosing the file name in quotation marks earlier and when I  
took them out, voila!

So the bare-bones version of this is simplicity itself:

on mouseUp
   if the platform is "Win32"  then
     put "start" && the eBookContents of this stack into openCmd
   else
     put "open" && the eBookContents of this stack into openCmd
   end if
   put shell (openCmd) into shellResult
end mouseUp

Lots of error-checking and other stuff to add, of course, but this  
gets me to the next level.

I appreciate everyone's help, esp. Jonathan, who went way above and  
beyond and, of course, Chipp.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author
http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
 From http://www.revolutionpros.com, Click "My Stuff"



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From revdan at danshafer.com  Fri Jul 29 19:33:53 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:33:53 -0700
Subject: Windows Command Code Resolved
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9968134@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9968134@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <E20CFB5E-01E4-4001-ADEB-7BD4B9E3AC43@danshafer.com>

GOod to know. Chipp mentioned something about escaping file names;  
presumably this has something to do with that.

Dan

On Jul 29, 2005, at 4:06 PM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:

> Something to be wary of...
>
> If the file path to your document contains spaces, it might confuse  
> the
> start command.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Dan  
> Shafer
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 6:58 PM
> To: Revolution List
> Subject: Windows Command Code Resolved
>
> Just to close the loop on my earlier question....
>
> Chipp and I walked through on the phone the use of the "start"
> command in the Win shell and for some reason, it worked fine. I think
> I was enclosing the file name in quotation marks earlier and when I
> took them out, voila!
>
> So the bare-bones version of this is simplicity itself:
>
> on mouseUp
>    if the platform is "Win32"  then
>      put "start" && the eBookContents of this stack into openCmd
>    else
>      put "open" && the eBookContents of this stack into openCmd
>    end if
>    put shell (openCmd) into shellResult
> end mouseUp
>
> Lots of error-checking and other stuff to add, of course, but this
> gets me to the next level.
>
> I appreciate everyone's help, esp. Jonathan, who went way above and
> beyond and, of course, Chipp.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author
> http://www.shafermedia.com
> Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
>  From http://www.revolutionpros.com, Click "My Stuff"
>
>
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From revdan at danshafer.com  Fri Jul 29 19:46:39 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:46:39 -0700
Subject: Windows Command Code Resolved
In-Reply-To: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9744610@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9744610@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <B21B4788-2481-4BB5-96B2-A676075EA93C@danshafer.com>


On Jul 29, 2005, at 4:17 PM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:

>
> Perhaps doing this?
>
> put "start" && quote & the eBookContents of this stack & quote into
> openCmd
>
> also, for some Windows systems, I believe that it is necessary to
> replace "/" with "\" in your file path.
>
Yeah, that appears to be part of it as well. My plan for my  
particular app is that the document is stored in the same directory  
as the app, so none of that pathing should become an issue. In fact,  
if the document *isn't* in the folder with the app, that will  
disqualify it from opening.

I'm using WinXP Pro.


> Hey Dan, what Windows OS are you using?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Lynch,
> Jonathan
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 7:07 PM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: RE: Windows Command Code Resolved
>
> Something to be wary of...
>
> If the file path to your document contains spaces, it might confuse  
> the
> start command.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Dan  
> Shafer
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 6:58 PM
> To: Revolution List
> Subject: Windows Command Code Resolved
>
> Just to close the loop on my earlier question....
>
> Chipp and I walked through on the phone the use of the "start"
> command in the Win shell and for some reason, it worked fine. I think
> I was enclosing the file name in quotation marks earlier and when I
> took them out, voila!
>
> So the bare-bones version of this is simplicity itself:
>
> on mouseUp
>    if the platform is "Win32"  then
>      put "start" && the eBookContents of this stack into openCmd
>    else
>      put "open" && the eBookContents of this stack into openCmd
>    end if
>    put shell (openCmd) into shellResult
> end mouseUp
>
> Lots of error-checking and other stuff to add, of course, but this
> gets me to the next level.
>
> I appreciate everyone's help, esp. Jonathan, who went way above and
> beyond and, of course, Chipp.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Dan Shafer, Revolution Consultant and Author
> http://www.shafermedia.com
> Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
>  From http://www.revolutionpros.com, Click "My Stuff"
>
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jul 29 19:49:02 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:49:02 -0500
Subject: Load URL doesn't send message
In-Reply-To: <38B48591-6076-47FE-A952-CA6A8A46553D@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <42E99569.3090000@hyperactivesw.com>	<98008438-1FFD-4EFB-832E-CB311D061F50@lacscentre.co.uk>	<42EA9019.3070002@hyperactivesw.com>
	<38B48591-6076-47FE-A952-CA6A8A46553D@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <42EAC06E.3010406@hyperactivesw.com>

Dave Cragg wrote:

> It should be:
> 
>   send "checkStatus tURL" to me in 50 milliseconds
> 
> This would explain the empty status results.
> 
> However, even with that error, I was still seeing the final message  
> answer dialog. I gather you're not seeing that. Can you let me know  if 
> you're still having problems.

Arf. Thanks. So that's what happens when I work till 2 AM...you get 
blind after a while.

It works now, as you and Eric suggest, custom message and all. However, 
it only works in my test stack. I tried Sarah's code (direct calls to 
libURL handlers) and that works in my test stack too.

Neither method works in my client stack though, even a direct copy/paste 
of the code. There are other problems with the stack besides this -- 
things I know shouldn't be happening even at 2 AM. Either the stack 
itself is hosed somehow, or there is something going on that I sure 
can't track. If you want a shot at it, let me know offlist. I'd be grateful.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From howard.bornstein at gmail.com  Fri Jul 29 19:56:07 2005
From: howard.bornstein at gmail.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:56:07 -0400
Subject: Getting the type code of a file under OSX
Message-ID: <3f07cc2605072916562b518cff@mail.gmail.com>

I wanted to check to see if I'm missing something obvious. I want to
be able to get the type code of a specific file under OSX. As far as
I've been able to find, there is only one way to get the type code--
with the files function. The detailed files includes the type and
creator codes. However, this gets the entire list of files in the
default folder. Unless there's something I'm missing, the sequence
would be something like this:

1) Get the full path of the file you want the type code for
2) Extract the folder it's in
3) Set the default folder to that folder
4) Get the detailed files
5) Compare the file name with item one of every line in the files
6) When you find a match, extract the last item from the detailed file
description which is the type/creator code.

This seems like a lot of work, just to get an attribute of a file. We
have the filetype property, where we can set the type of a file. Isn't
there a simple way to *get* the type of a file?

-- 
Regards,

Howard Bornstein
-----------------------
www.designeq.com


From jhurley at infostations.com  Fri Jul 29 20:20:24 2005
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:20:24 -0700
Subject: Wrapped lines as individual lines--shortcut?
In-Reply-To: <20050729200517.1B8428252A5@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050729200517.1B8428252A5@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p06200703bf1074471541@[69.19.167.140]>

I have a field in which the dontwrap is false so that a single line 
of text is displayed on many wrapped lines within the field.

Is there something *within Rev* that would allow me to pick out the 
*displayed* lines as individual lines? (I don't mean write a hander 
for this. I've done that, but I'm wondering whether there might be a 
shortcut. Clearly Run Rev, or the OS, knows what these lines are or 
they wouldn't be displayed that way.)

Jim


From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Jul 29 20:20:19 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 01:20:19 +0100
Subject: ANN: Sudoku Assistant
Message-ID: <42EAC7C3.8010006@tweedly.net>


The other day I mentioned that I had done a simple "Sudoku Assistant" - 
a simple stack which gives you some assistance in solving Sudoku 
Puzzles. I had done it over the course of an evening or two while on 
vacation, and had decided that I really didn't find Sudoku puzzles all 
that fascinating, so it had been languishing since then.

But mentioning it here, and having a couple of people ask about it, 
revived my interest, so I've spent 3 hours today tidying it up and 
adding a couple of useful features (Undo/Redo/combination counts/...). 
(I also spent 4 or 5 hours learning basics of RunRev in some areas I 
hadn't used before - useful for me, but only contributed about 10 
minutes of useful work towards this stack :-)

It's posted in RevOnline, under Games, or username alextweedly - called 
SudokuAssistant
Enjoy, and as always I'd welcome any comments, suggestions, even 
requests ...

-- 
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From jbondy at sover.net  Fri Jul 29 20:32:20 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:32:20 -0400
Subject: more IDE annoyances
Message-ID: <42EACA94.4010508@sover.net>

I have no idea if these have been BZ'd yet or not, nor do I know if they 
have been fixed.

I enter RR.  I open a stack.  I click on a stack in the App Browser.  I 
then try to click on the Script icon, but it is greyed out.  So.  Bug 
number 1: if I select something to edit, the Script button should not be 
greyed out.

I then click on an arbitrary object in my stack, just to get the 
frigging IDE off the dime.  Finally, the script button becomes active.  
I then return to my beloved App Browser, click on the stack again, and 
click the Script button. What gets edited? The arbitrary object in my 
script!  Bug number two.

A few weeks ago people mentioned that a lot of bugs were getting fixed.  
Any idea when some of these bug fixes will end up in the hands of the 
paying customers?  I'm getting tired of all of this quirk.  It's stuff 
like this (editing the wrong object) that may lead one of us to editing 
the wrong object without knowing it, which may lead to arbitrary confusion.

:(

Jon


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jul 29 20:50:25 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:50:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: more IDE annoyances
References: <42EACA94.4010508@sover.net>
Message-ID: <Xns96A2B5DBAA2DCspamfilter@80.91.229.5>

Jon-

> number 1: if I select something to edit, the Script button should not be 
> greyed out.

Verified here.
 
> click the Script button. What gets edited? The arbitrary object in my 
> script!  Bug number two.

Verified again.

I can honestly say that I've never used the Script button before. I had to 
go hunt around to find out what you were talking about. But both of these 
are definitely bugs - the App Browser and the toolbar seem to be lightly 
coupled.

Since you're on Windows, you can probably save some grief (and keystrokes) 
by right-clicking on objects in the App Browser to edit them, or ctrl-alt-
clicking the actual object to edit it.

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jbondy at sover.net  Fri Jul 29 20:56:17 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:56:17 -0400
Subject: new bug posted
Message-ID: <42EAD031.1050004@sover.net>

I just posted "bug" (enhancement suggestion) 3034, which says in part

As much as I like the AutoComplete feature of the Script Editor, I find 
myself always wanting to do searches, and I hate switching between the 
two modes.  I realized that the two modes are really separate, since one 
rarely wants to search in the middle of typing a word.  Why not have the 
Find/Replace visible all of the time EXCEPT when in the middle of typing 
a word, at which point it is dynamically replaced by the AutoComplete? 
Best of both worlds!

Vote with your heart...

:)

Jon


From jbondy at sover.net  Fri Jul 29 20:58:01 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:58:01 -0400
Subject: more IDE annoyances
In-Reply-To: <Xns96A2B5DBAA2DCspamfilter@80.91.229.5>
References: <42EACA94.4010508@sover.net>
	<Xns96A2B5DBAA2DCspamfilter@80.91.229.5>
Message-ID: <42EAD099.6080908@sover.net>

Thanks!  BZ 3035...

:)


Mark Wieder wrote:

>Jon-
>
>  
>
>>number 1: if I select something to edit, the Script button should not be 
>>greyed out.
>>    
>>
>
>Verified here.
> 
>  
>
>>click the Script button. What gets edited? The arbitrary object in my 
>>script!  Bug number two.
>>    
>>
>
>Verified again.
>
>I can honestly say that I've never used the Script button before. I had to 
>go hunt around to find out what you were talking about. But both of these 
>are definitely bugs - the App Browser and the toolbar seem to be lightly 
>coupled.
>
>Since you're on Windows, you can probably save some grief (and keystrokes) 
>by right-clicking on objects in the App Browser to edit them, or ctrl-alt-
>clicking the actual object to edit it.
>
>  
>


From herz at ucsd.edu  Fri Jul 29 21:28:46 2005
From: herz at ucsd.edu (Richard K. Herz)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:28:46 -0700
Subject: Windows Command Code Resolved
References: <20050729233934.0BD5A8252F4@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <001701c594a6$0b781bf0$6601a8c0@RKHpc2>

> Something to be wary of...
> If the file path to your document contains spaces, it might confuse
> the start command.

Also see the entries under "Command Line/Shell Info" at
http://www.sonsothunder.com/index2.htm?http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/revolution.htm?_dply001



From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Jul 29 23:37:16 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 22:37:16 -0500
Subject: Windows Command Code Resolved
In-Reply-To: <B21B4788-2481-4BB5-96B2-A676075EA93C@danshafer.com>
References: <64878EF567131D4596246171F75FD4A9744610@m-epo-1.epo.cdc.gov>
	<B21B4788-2481-4BB5-96B2-A676075EA93C@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <42EAF5EC.1030702@chipp.com>

Hi gang,

Got it working. Pretty simple actually:

Here's the guts (after putting the filepath into fld "docPath")

put shortFilePath(fld "docPath") into tDocPath
replace "/" with "\" in tDocPath
put "start" && tDocPath into tDosCommand
set the hideconsolewindows to true
get shell(tDosCommand)

Here's a demo: type in the message:

go URL "http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/WinXPFileLauncher.rev"

best,

Chipp


From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Jul 29 23:38:31 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 22:38:31 -0500
Subject: Windows Command Code Resolved
In-Reply-To: <001701c594a6$0b781bf0$6601a8c0@RKHpc2>
References: <20050729233934.0BD5A8252F4@mail.runrev.com>
	<001701c594a6$0b781bf0$6601a8c0@RKHpc2>
Message-ID: <42EAF637.4020804@chipp.com>

Yep, that's why you use the 'shortFilePath' function.

Richard K. Herz wrote:
>> Something to be wary of...
>> If the file path to your document contains spaces, it might confuse
>> the start command.


From davis.phil at comcast.net  Sat Jul 30 01:25:12 2005
From: davis.phil at comcast.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 22:25:12 -0700
Subject: Wrapped lines as individual lines--shortcut?
In-Reply-To: <p06200703bf1074471541@[69.19.167.140]>
References: <20050729200517.1B8428252A5@mail.runrev.com>
	<p06200703bf1074471541@[69.19.167.140]>
Message-ID: <42EB0F38.8080501@comcast.net>

Hi Jim,

If I understand correctly, you want "the formattedText" of the field. If 
you have a field containing a single CR-delimited line, and that line 
wraps and takes up three field display lines, the formattedText of the 
field will contain three CR-delimited lines, each containing only those 
words found in the respective display line.

HTH -
Phil Davis


Jim Hurley wrote:
> I have a field in which the dontwrap is false so that a single line of 
> text is displayed on many wrapped lines within the field.
> 
> Is there something *within Rev* that would allow me to pick out the 
> *displayed* lines as individual lines? (I don't mean write a hander for 
> this. I've done that, but I'm wondering whether there might be a 
> shortcut. Clearly Run Rev, or the OS, knows what these lines are or they 
> wouldn't be displayed that way.)
> 
> Jim



From psahores at easynet.fr  Sat Jul 30 02:21:30 2005
From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:21:30 +0200
Subject: Load URL doesn't send message
In-Reply-To: <42EAC06E.3010406@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <42E99569.3090000@hyperactivesw.com>	<98008438-1FFD-4EFB-832E-CB311D061F50@lacscentre.co.uk>	<42EA9019.3070002@hyperactivesw.com>
	<38B48591-6076-47FE-A952-CA6A8A46553D@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<42EAC06E.3010406@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <39E87007-A952-43B5-AFC7-53DC0C4CE5EF@easynet.fr>

Hello Jacque,

Did you test in using different socketTimeoutInterval values ?

> set the socketTimeoutInterval to 10000
> ... your code ...
> set the socketTimeoutInterval to 10

Best Regards,



Le 30 juil. 05 ? 01:49, J. Landman Gay a ?crit :

> Dave Cragg wrote:
>
>
>> It should be:
>>   send "checkStatus tURL" to me in 50 milliseconds
>> This would explain the empty status results.
>> However, even with that error, I was still seeing the final  
>> message  answer dialog. I gather you're not seeing that. Can you  
>> let me know  if you're still having problems.
>>
>
> Arf. Thanks. So that's what happens when I work till 2 AM...you get  
> blind after a while.
>
> It works now, as you and Eric suggest, custom message and all.  
> However, it only works in my test stack. I tried Sarah's code  
> (direct calls to libURL handlers) and that works in my test stack too.
>
> Neither method works in my client stack though, even a direct copy/ 
> paste of the code. There are other problems with the stack besides  
> this -- things I know shouldn't be happening even at 2 AM. Either  
> the stack itself is hosed somehow, or there is something going on  
> that I sure can't track. If you want a shot at it, let me know  
> offlist. I'd be grateful.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sat Jul 30 05:12:50 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 11:12:50 +0200
Subject: Getting the type code of a file under OSX
In-Reply-To: <3f07cc2605072916562b518cff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3f07cc2605072916562b518cff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3AED7EAA-09B4-4A7F-88B8-98DA7FBA9C0C@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Howard,

You could use AppleScript but doing this with Transcript is easy and  
fast:

function CreatorAndType pFilePath
   local tDefaultFolder,tCreatorType
   -----
   if the platform <> "MacOs" then return "Error: filetype not  
supported"
   put the defaultFolder into tDefaultFolder
   set the itemdel to slash
   set the defaultFolder to item 1 to -2 of pFilePath
   put urlDecode(the detailed files) into tFiles
   put line lineOffset(item - 1 of pFilePath,tFiles) of tFiles into  
tFile
   set the defaultFolder to tDefaultFolder
   set the itemDel to comma
   put item 11 of tFile into tCreatorType
   if tCreatorType = empty then return "Error: could not find the  
filetype"
   return char 1 to 4 of item 11 of tFile & comma & char 5 to 8 of  
item -1 of tFile
   -- creator and type separated by a comma
end CreatorAndType

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

Le 30 juil. 05 ? 01:56, Howard Bornstein a ?crit :

> I wanted to check to see if I'm missing something obvious. I want to
> be able to get the type code of a specific file under OSX. As far as
> I've been able to find, there is only one way to get the type code--
> with the files function. The detailed files includes the type and
> creator codes. However, this gets the entire list of files in the
> default folder. Unless there's something I'm missing, the sequence
> would be something like this:
>
> 1) Get the full path of the file you want the type code for
> 2) Extract the folder it's in
> 3) Set the default folder to that folder
> 4) Get the detailed files
> 5) Compare the file name with item one of every line in the files
> 6) When you find a match, extract the last item from the detailed file
> description which is the type/creator code.
>
> This seems like a lot of work, just to get an attribute of a file. We
> have the filetype property, where we can set the type of a file. Isn't
> there a simple way to *get* the type of a file?

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From briany at qldlearning.com  Sat Jul 30 05:35:47 2005
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 02:35:47 -0700
Subject: Getting the type code of a file under OSX
In-Reply-To: <3AED7EAA-09B4-4A7F-88B8-98DA7FBA9C0C@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <3f07cc2605072916562b518cff@mail.gmail.com>
	<3AED7EAA-09B4-4A7F-88B8-98DA7FBA9C0C@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <f3caf65c520b62fe322bdab124c41ead@qldlearning.com>

Quick observation... you may get unreliable results when the name of 
one file is a substring of the name of another file in the same folder. 
You might try adding a comma to the file name, or using itemOffset() 
and wholeMatches.

HTH
- Brian

> Hi Howard,
>
> You could use AppleScript but doing this with Transcript is easy and 
> fast:
>
> function CreatorAndType pFilePath
>   local tDefaultFolder,tCreatorType
>   -----
>   if the platform <> "MacOs" then return "Error: filetype not 
> supported"
>   put the defaultFolder into tDefaultFolder
>   set the itemdel to slash
>   set the defaultFolder to item 1 to -2 of pFilePath
>   put urlDecode(the detailed files) into tFiles
>   put line lineOffset(item - 1 of pFilePath,tFiles) of tFiles into 
> tFile
>   set the defaultFolder to tDefaultFolder
>   set the itemDel to comma
>   put item 11 of tFile into tCreatorType
>   if tCreatorType = empty then return "Error: could not find the 
> filetype"
>   return char 1 to 4 of item 11 of tFile & comma & char 5 to 8 of item 
> -1 of tFile
>   -- creator and type separated by a comma
> end CreatorAndType
>
> Best Regards from Paris,
>
> Eric Chatonet.
>
> Le 30 juil. 05 ? 01:56, Howard Bornstein a ?crit :
>
>> I wanted to check to see if I'm missing something obvious. I want to
>> be able to get the type code of a specific file under OSX. As far as
>> I've been able to find, there is only one way to get the type code--
>> with the files function. The detailed files includes the type and
>> creator codes. However, this gets the entire list of files in the
>> default folder. Unless there's something I'm missing, the sequence
>> would be something like this:
>>
>> 1) Get the full path of the file you want the type code for
>> 2) Extract the folder it's in
>> 3) Set the default folder to that folder
>> 4) Get the detailed files
>> 5) Compare the file name with item one of every line in the files
>> 6) When you find a match, extract the last item from the detailed file
>> description which is the type/creator code.
>>
>> This seems like a lot of work, just to get an attribute of a file. We
>> have the filetype property, where we can set the type of a file. Isn't
>> there a simple way to *get* the type of a file?
>
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sat Jul 30 05:40:22 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 11:40:22 +0200
Subject: Getting the type code of a file under OSX
In-Reply-To: <f3caf65c520b62fe322bdab124c41ead@qldlearning.com>
References: <3f07cc2605072916562b518cff@mail.gmail.com>
	<3AED7EAA-09B4-4A7F-88B8-98DA7FBA9C0C@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<f3caf65c520b62fe322bdab124c41ead@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <8E7B89EC-C607-45E9-817B-82B8FBCF7B54@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Brian,

As the files function returns a list sorted by alphabetical order, I  
don't think it's necessary.

Le 30 juil. 05 ? 11:35, Brian Yennie a ?crit :

> Quick observation... you may get unreliable results when the name  
> of one file is a substring of the name of another file in the same  
> folder. You might try adding a comma to the file name, or using  
> itemOffset() and wholeMatches.
>
> HTH
> - Brian
>
>
>> Hi Howard,
>>
>> You could use AppleScript but doing this with Transcript is easy  
>> and fast:
>>
>> function CreatorAndType pFilePath
>>   local tDefaultFolder,tCreatorType
>>   -----
>>   if the platform <> "MacOs" then return "Error: filetype not  
>> supported"
>>   put the defaultFolder into tDefaultFolder
>>   set the itemdel to slash
>>   set the defaultFolder to item 1 to -2 of pFilePath
>>   put urlDecode(the detailed files) into tFiles
>>   put line lineOffset(item - 1 of pFilePath,tFiles) of tFiles into  
>> tFile
>>   set the defaultFolder to tDefaultFolder
>>   set the itemDel to comma
>>   put item 11 of tFile into tCreatorType
>>   if tCreatorType = empty then return "Error: could not find the  
>> filetype"
>>   return char 1 to 4 of item 11 of tFile & comma & char 5 to 8 of  
>> item -1 of tFile
>>   -- creator and type separated by a comma
>> end CreatorAndType
>>
>> Best Regards from Paris,
>>
>> Eric Chatonet.
>>
>> Le 30 juil. 05 ? 01:56, Howard Bornstein a ?crit :
>>
>>
>>> I wanted to check to see if I'm missing something obvious. I want to
>>> be able to get the type code of a specific file under OSX. As far as
>>> I've been able to find, there is only one way to get the type code--
>>> with the files function. The detailed files includes the type and
>>> creator codes. However, this gets the entire list of files in the
>>> default folder. Unless there's something I'm missing, the sequence
>>> would be something like this:
>>>
>>> 1) Get the full path of the file you want the type code for
>>> 2) Extract the folder it's in
>>> 3) Set the default folder to that folder
>>> 4) Get the detailed files
>>> 5) Compare the file name with item one of every line in the files
>>> 6) When you find a match, extract the last item from the detailed  
>>> file
>>> description which is the type/creator code.
>>>
>>> This seems like a lot of work, just to get an attribute of a  
>>> file. We
>>> have the filetype property, where we can set the type of a file.  
>>> Isn't
>>> there a simple way to *get* the type of a file?
>>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
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>>
>> For institutions, companies and associations
>> Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc.
>> Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch
>>
>> Free plugins and tutorials on my website
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From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Sat Jul 30 06:58:54 2005
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 12:58:54 +0200
Subject: Wrapped lines as individual lines--shortcut?
Message-ID: <42EB5D6E.3010901@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

On Fri Jul 29 2005 Jim Hurley jhurley at infostations.com
 

> I have a field in which the dontwrap is false so that a single line
> of text is displayed on many wrapped lines within the field.
>
> Is there something *within Rev* that would allow me to pick out the
> *displayed* lines as individual lines? (I don't mean write a hander
> for this. I've done that, but I'm wondering whether there might be a
> shortcut. Clearly Run Rev, or the OS, knows what these lines are or
> they wouldn't be displayed that way.)
>
> Jim


Hi Jim,

depends on what you mean by "pick out the *displayed* lines as 
individual lines?" without writing a handler?

 From the message box (or within a handler) you could use

put line y of the formattedtext of fld "x".


-- Wilhelm Sanke
<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>



From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Sat Jul 30 07:07:15 2005
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 12:07:15 +0100
Subject: Getting the type code of a file under OSX
In-Reply-To: <8E7B89EC-C607-45E9-817B-82B8FBCF7B54@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <3f07cc2605072916562b518cff@mail.gmail.com>
	<3AED7EAA-09B4-4A7F-88B8-98DA7FBA9C0C@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<f3caf65c520b62fe322bdab124c41ead@qldlearning.com>
	<8E7B89EC-C607-45E9-817B-82B8FBCF7B54@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <9326D5DC-428D-4822-ACDA-B21766F3D367@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 30 Jul 2005, at 10:40, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi Brian,
>
> As the files function returns a list sorted by alphabetical order,  
> I don't think it's necessary.


But, for example, if you were looking for a file named "mend.png" and  
there was a file named "amend.png" in the folder, you'd find  
"amend.png".

A bit cumbersome, but when I've done this, I've repeated through all  
lines in the detailed files and done a match on the first item in each.

Cheers
dave


>
> Le 30 juil. 05 ? 11:35, Brian Yennie a ?crit :
>
>
>> Quick observation... you may get unreliable results when the name  
>> of one file is a substring of the name of another file in the same  
>> folder. You might try adding a comma to the file name, or using  
>> itemOffset() and wholeMatches.
>>
>> HTH
>> - Brian
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi Howard,
>>>
>>> You could use AppleScript but doing this with Transcript is easy  
>>> and fast:
>>>
>>> function CreatorAndType pFilePath
>>>   local tDefaultFolder,tCreatorType
>>>   -----
>>>   if the platform <> "MacOs" then return "Error: filetype not  
>>> supported"
>>>   put the defaultFolder into tDefaultFolder
>>>   set the itemdel to slash
>>>   set the defaultFolder to item 1 to -2 of pFilePath
>>>   put urlDecode(the detailed files) into tFiles
>>>   put line lineOffset(item - 1 of pFilePath,tFiles) of tFiles  
>>> into tFile
>>>   set the defaultFolder to tDefaultFolder
>>>   set the itemDel to comma
>>>   put item 11 of tFile into tCreatorType
>>>   if tCreatorType = empty then return "Error: could not find the  
>>> filetype"
>>>   return char 1 to 4 of item 11 of tFile & comma & char 5 to 8 of  
>>> item -1 of tFile
>>>   -- creator and type separated by a comma
>>> end CreatorAndType
>>>
>>> Best Regards from Paris,
>>>
>>> Eric Chatonet.
>>>
>>> Le 30 juil. 05 ? 01:56, Howard Bornstein a ?crit :
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I wanted to check to see if I'm missing something obvious. I  
>>>> want to
>>>> be able to get the type code of a specific file under OSX. As  
>>>> far as
>>>> I've been able to find, there is only one way to get the type  
>>>> code--
>>>> with the files function. The detailed files includes the type and
>>>> creator codes. However, this gets the entire list of files in the
>>>> default folder. Unless there's something I'm missing, the sequence
>>>> would be something like this:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Get the full path of the file you want the type code for
>>>> 2) Extract the folder it's in
>>>> 3) Set the default folder to that folder
>>>> 4) Get the detailed files
>>>> 5) Compare the file name with item one of every line in the files
>>>> 6) When you find a match, extract the last item from the  
>>>> detailed file
>>>> description which is the type/creator code.
>>>>
>>>> This seems like a lot of work, just to get an attribute of a  
>>>> file. We
>>>> have the filetype property, where we can set the type of a file.  
>>>> Isn't
>>>> there a simple way to *get* the type of a file?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sat Jul 30 07:19:52 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:19:52 +0200
Subject: Getting the type code of a file under OSX
In-Reply-To: <9326D5DC-428D-4822-ACDA-B21766F3D367@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <3f07cc2605072916562b518cff@mail.gmail.com>
	<3AED7EAA-09B4-4A7F-88B8-98DA7FBA9C0C@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<f3caf65c520b62fe322bdab124c41ead@qldlearning.com>
	<8E7B89EC-C607-45E9-817B-82B8FBCF7B54@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<9326D5DC-428D-4822-ACDA-B21766F3D367@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <9B7E7561-1ABC-46A4-BF0D-531C910DBFB5@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Dave,

You are perfectly right: I missed this one.
So a reliable function could be:

function CreatorAndType pFilePath
   local tDefaultFolder,tFile,tCreatorType
   -----
   if the platform <> "MacOs" then return "Error: filetype not  
supported"
   put the defaultFolder into tDefaultFolder
   set the itemdel to slash
   set the defaultFolder to item 1 to -2 of pFilePath
   put urlDecode(the detailed files) into tFile
   filter tFile with item - 1 of pFilePath & ",*"
   if tFile = empty then return "Error: could not find file"
   set the defaultFolder to tDefaultFolder
   set the itemDel to comma
   put item 11 of tFile into tCreatorType
   if tCreatorType = empty then return "Error: could not find the  
filetype"
   return char 1 to 4 of item 11 of tFile & comma & char 5 to 8 of  
item -1 of tFile
end CreatorAndType


Le 30 juil. 05 ? 13:07, Dave Cragg a ?crit :

> On 30 Jul 2005, at 10:40, Eric Chatonet wrote:
>
>
>> Hi Brian,
>>
>> As the files function returns a list sorted by alphabetical order,  
>> I don't think it's necessary.
>>
>
>
> But, for example, if you were looking for a file named "mend.png"  
> and there was a file named "amend.png" in the folder, you'd find  
> "amend.png".
>
> A bit cumbersome, but when I've done this, I've repeated through  
> all lines in the detailed files and done a match on the first item  
> in each.
>
> Cheers
> dave


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sat Jul 30 08:02:18 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:02:18 +0200
Subject: Getting the type code of a file under OSX
In-Reply-To: <9B7E7561-1ABC-46A4-BF0D-531C910DBFB5@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <3f07cc2605072916562b518cff@mail.gmail.com>
	<3AED7EAA-09B4-4A7F-88B8-98DA7FBA9C0C@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<f3caf65c520b62fe322bdab124c41ead@qldlearning.com>
	<8E7B89EC-C607-45E9-817B-82B8FBCF7B54@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<9326D5DC-428D-4822-ACDA-B21766F3D367@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<9B7E7561-1ABC-46A4-BF0D-531C910DBFB5@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <E329F523-DC92-458E-AD7C-AB666423CA53@sosmartsoftware.com>

Last one was not perfect since the default folder is not restored  
when an error occurs:
Just invert  "if tFile = empty then return "Error: could not find  
file" and "set the defaultFolder to tDefaultFolder" lines.
Is this one the last one?
:-)

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

Le 30 juil. 05 ? 13:19, Eric Chatonet a ?crit :

> Hi Dave,
>
> You are perfectly right: I missed this one.
> So a reliable function could be:
>
> function CreatorAndType pFilePath
>   local tDefaultFolder,tFile,tCreatorType
>   -----
>   if the platform <> "MacOs" then return "Error: filetype not  
> supported"
>   put the defaultFolder into tDefaultFolder
>   set the itemdel to slash
>   set the defaultFolder to item 1 to -2 of pFilePath
>   put urlDecode(the detailed files) into tFile
>   filter tFile with item - 1 of pFilePath & ",*"
>   if tFile = empty then return "Error: could not find file"
>   set the defaultFolder to tDefaultFolder
>   set the itemDel to comma
>   put item 11 of tFile into tCreatorType
>   if tCreatorType = empty then return "Error: could not find the  
> filetype"
>   return char 1 to 4 of item 11 of tFile & comma & char 5 to 8 of  
> item -1 of tFile
> end CreatorAndType
>
>
> Le 30 juil. 05 ? 13:07, Dave Cragg a ?crit :
>
>
>> On 30 Jul 2005, at 10:40, Eric Chatonet wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi Brian,
>>>
>>> As the files function returns a list sorted by alphabetical  
>>> order, I don't think it's necessary.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> But, for example, if you were looking for a file named "mend.png"  
>> and there was a file named "amend.png" in the folder, you'd find  
>> "amend.png".
>>
>> A bit cumbersome, but when I've done this, I've repeated through  
>> all lines in the detailed files and done a match on the first item  
>> in each.
>>
>> Cheers
>> dave


----------------------------------------------------------------
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For institutions, companies and associations
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Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch

Free plugins and tutorials on my website
----------------------------------------------------------------
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From dweeble at wi.rr.com  Sat Jul 30 08:05:10 2005
From: dweeble at wi.rr.com (Michael)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 07:05:10 -0500
Subject: Windows Registry Again
Message-ID: <1122725111.6646.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hello,
Anyone help with this idea as how to find a value below a RootPath in
the registry ? For example I'm attempting to pull all the network card
info put into a temp file sift through it looking for a setting, then if
setting is run the app if setting is not do not run app. 
I'm trying this but since the rootpath is empty i get of course empty,  

put queryregistry("HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlset\Services
\Tcpip\Parameters") into tpCheck

Thanks 
Michaeld



From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Sat Jul 30 08:09:21 2005
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:09:21 +0100
Subject: Getting the type code of a file under OSX
In-Reply-To: <E329F523-DC92-458E-AD7C-AB666423CA53@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <3f07cc2605072916562b518cff@mail.gmail.com>
	<3AED7EAA-09B4-4A7F-88B8-98DA7FBA9C0C@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<f3caf65c520b62fe322bdab124c41ead@qldlearning.com>
	<8E7B89EC-C607-45E9-817B-82B8FBCF7B54@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<9326D5DC-428D-4822-ACDA-B21766F3D367@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<9B7E7561-1ABC-46A4-BF0D-531C910DBFB5@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<E329F523-DC92-458E-AD7C-AB666423CA53@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <E87A15E0-9FCC-4058-AD6E-D124B2EE352D@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 30 Jul 2005, at 13:02, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Last one was not perfect since the default folder is not restored  
> when an error occurs:
> Just invert  "if tFile = empty then return "Error: could not find  
> file" and "set the defaultFolder to tDefaultFolder" lines.
> Is this one the last one?

Looks good here. I like the use of the filter command. I should get  
"filter" tattooed on the back of my hand as I have a habit of  
forgetting how useful it can be.

Cheers
Dave


From ridge11103 at btinternet.com  Sat Jul 30 08:20:33 2005
From: ridge11103 at btinternet.com (John Ridge)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:20:33 +0100
Subject: (no subject)
Message-ID: <04568DE8-3B8E-41B2-A157-0BA275662544@btinternet.com>

I'm in the habit of pasting text from a specific website into a stack  
I use for keeping research notes. I'm surprised and pleased that the  
Paste command copes with styled text - even better, I can then re- 
format the text, changing fontsize and font, and still keep other  
styled elements such as colour.

But for some reason (maybe the website has just been redesigned?)  
there is now no white space between paragraphs. No problem, I thought  
- I'll script my "New Note" button to do all the work, including the  
pasting - so after checking the docs I tried

set the htmlText of fld "Notes" to the clipboarddata["HTML"]

which is fine. But my attempts to add white space seem to be  
destroying all the styling...

I've tried

replace "<p>" with "<p></p><p>" in fld "Notes"

which I thought was pretty subtle. Hmm... I must be missing something  
obvious here, as usual.

TIA for any help

Best wishes
John
ridge11103 at btinternet.com





From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sat Jul 30 08:29:13 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:29:13 +0200
Subject: Inserting blank lines between paragraphs [was: no subject]
In-Reply-To: <04568DE8-3B8E-41B2-A157-0BA275662544@btinternet.com>
References: <04568DE8-3B8E-41B2-A157-0BA275662544@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <9C2AB904-5419-4CE0-982F-1905637EA516@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi John,

Try:
put the htmlText of fld "Notes" into tHtml
replace "</p>" & cr with "</p>" & cr & "</p><p>"  & cr in tHtml
set the htmlText of fld "Notes" to tHtml

1. This will insert a blank line between paragraphs.
2. Always work on the html by putting it into a variable first.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

Le 30 juil. 05 ? 14:20, John Ridge a ?crit :

> I'm in the habit of pasting text from a specific website into a  
> stack I use for keeping research notes. I'm surprised and pleased  
> that the Paste command copes with styled text - even better, I can  
> then re-format the text, changing fontsize and font, and still keep  
> other styled elements such as colour.
>
> But for some reason (maybe the website has just been redesigned?)  
> there is now no white space between paragraphs. No problem, I  
> thought - I'll script my "New Note" button to do all the work,  
> including the pasting - so after checking the docs I tried
>
> set the htmlText of fld "Notes" to the clipboarddata["HTML"]
>
> which is fine. But my attempts to add white space seem to be  
> destroying all the styling...
>
> I've tried
>
> replace "<p>" with "<p></p><p>" in fld "Notes"
>
> which I thought was pretty subtle. Hmm... I must be missing  
> something obvious here, as usual.
>
> TIA for any help

----------------------------------------------------------------
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From alex at tweedly.net  Sat Jul 30 09:06:58 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:06:58 +0100
Subject: Getting the type code of a file under OSX
In-Reply-To: <9B7E7561-1ABC-46A4-BF0D-531C910DBFB5@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <3f07cc2605072916562b518cff@mail.gmail.com>	<3AED7EAA-09B4-4A7F-88B8-98DA7FBA9C0C@sosmartsoftware.com>	<f3caf65c520b62fe322bdab124c41ead@qldlearning.com>	<8E7B89EC-C607-45E9-817B-82B8FBCF7B54@sosmartsoftware.com>	<9326D5DC-428D-4822-ACDA-B21766F3D367@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<9B7E7561-1ABC-46A4-BF0D-531C910DBFB5@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <42EB7B72.1070509@tweedly.net>

Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
> You are perfectly right: I missed this one.
> So a reliable function could be:
>
getting close ... but not quite there yet, because of the issue of comma 
being an allowed character in file names.
(I don't know if this applies to Mac - but I'm 99% sure it will, since 
this is a relatively common thing to do in Unix, so I'd expect the OSX 
file system to allow it).

If the Mac doesn't allow this, then your function is OK - but beware of 
the problem for any other operation you do on "the detailed files". 

If Mac does allow commas in file names, then it causes two problems.

The first is easy - but rather dangerous. You cannot use "item 11" for 
the file creator - you should alway use "item -1". The same applies to 
all the items returned - you should use "item -10" for file size, rather 
than "item 2", etc.

However, this doesn't work as it should on Windows.
The docs say

>     * The file's access permissions
>     * The file's creator and file type (Mac OS and OS X only)
> Any attribute that is not supported on the current system is reported 
> as "0" (zero).
>
But in fact on Windows, the creator and file type (not supported) are 
set to empty, not "0".
This is a real pain, because it means that you always have an empty last 
item - so the number of items is 10.
[Does the Mac ever return empty Creator and file type ?]

Therefore you need to add a check for the last character being comma, 
and if it is append some safe string (e.g. a space), before using the 
negative index numbers.

The second problem is rather more obscure - but if we want to claim to 
work in 100% of the cases, not 99.99..% we should cover it.

I believe you cannot use a "filter" to match any arbitrary filename you 
might be given.

filter ... pFileName & ",*"
  fails because    "name" and "name,date" both match pFileName = "name"
You might think you could depend on the fact that the files are 
alphabetic to always get the one you want first (I certainly did when I 
started writing this email), but you can't.  Using the filename "a,11" 
will falsely match the file "a" if it happens to be 11 bytes long (or 
110, or 11234, ...). Since "a" comes before "a,11" it will be the first 
one found.

You could try (I did !!) using the trick I saw from Richard a couple of 
weeks ago, using a complex filter expression to ensure the right number 
of items - e.g.
   filter ... pFileName & ",*,*,*,*,*,*,*,*,*,*"  
but that also fails the "a,11" case as above.

So I think you need to loop through them, checking the file name. But 
you cannot do as Dave suggested, and compare item 1 of each line against 
the file name, because that would fail to match a filename containing a 
comma that should match.
You instead need to compare "item 1 to -11"  (once you've done the above 
check for empty last item).

So we finish up with what I *think* is a truly reliable version

function CreatorAndType pFilePath
  local tDefaultFolder,tFile,tCreatorType, theLine, L, tNewFiles, tName
  -----
  if the platform <> "MacOs" then return "Error: filetype not  supported"
  put the defaultFolder into tDefaultFolder
  set the itemdel to slash
  set the defaultFolder to item 1 to -2 of pFilePath
  put urlDecode(the detailed files) into tFile
  put empty into tNewFiles
  put item -1 of pFilePath into tName
  set the itemDel to comma
  repeat for each line L in tFile
    put L into theLine
    if the last char of theLine = comma then put space after theLine
    if item 1 to -11 of theLine = tName then put L & cr after tNewFiles
  end repeat
  put tNewFiles into tFile
  -- put tFile & cr after msg
  if tFile = empty then return "Error: could not find file"
  set the defaultFolder to tDefaultFolder
  return tFile
 
end CreatorAndType


> Le 30 juil. 05 ? 13:07, Dave Cragg a ?crit :
>
>> On 30 Jul 2005, at 10:40, Eric Chatonet wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hi Brian,
>>>
>>> As the files function returns a list sorted by alphabetical order,  
>>> I don't think it's necessary.
>>>
>>
>>
>> But, for example, if you were looking for a file named "mend.png"  
>> and there was a file named "amend.png" in the folder, you'd find  
>> "amend.png".
>>
>> A bit cumbersome, but when I've done this, I've repeated through  all 
>> lines in the detailed files and done a match on the first item  in each.
>>
>> Cheers
>> dave
>
>
>
> Best Regards from Paris,
>
> Eric Chatonet.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
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>
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From europe at ehug.info  Sat Jul 30 09:43:28 2005
From: europe at ehug.info (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 15:43:28 +0200
Subject: European Revolution Conference
Message-ID: <42EB8400.7080302@ehug.info>

Dear Rev users,

This year, we had a conference in the US, but not in Europe. I 
would like to know if there is an interest in a Revolution 
conference in Europe, this year.

I am thinking of a conference in Germany or the Netherlands, 
which would be a little different from the conferences we 
already had. Also, by organising it in a different location, I 
would like to give those who couldn't make it to Malta or 
Moneterey an opportunity to attend a conference.

It will aim at beginners, although it could be an opportunity 
for professionals to meet each other. There will be extensive 
problem solving sessions and a number of parallel sessions that 
give you the opportunity to demo your latest products or cool 
tricks. Participants who want to lead a session are likely to 
get a discount.

The conference fee is expected to be between 300 and 400 euro. 
This should include three nights in a simple hotel. The 
conference itself may last 2 days, 3 if there are many 
participants. I prefer to let the conference start in about 6 
weeks from now, but the exact date depends on you.

Please, don't start a long discussion about this on the list. 
Tell me whether you are interested off-list, first. Send your 
comments to <mailto:m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com>. Once we 
have decided to make it happen, we could discuss it here.

Best regards,

Mark

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for new freelance programming projects.



From jhurley at infostations.com  Sat Jul 30 10:06:17 2005
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 07:06:17 -0700
Subject: Full justification
In-Reply-To: <20050730111003.18860825342@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050730111003.18860825342@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p06200704bf1130a363bd@[69.19.167.140]>

Perhaps another way to approach the problem of full justification for 
non-proportional fonts is to insert spaces whose width is set to 1 
point.

It turns out that the formatted width of the 2 point space character, 
with the points size set to 2 pts, (at least in Times font)  is 1 
point. (Pardon the dual use of the word "point.")

If the width needed to fill in the line, so that the text is also 
right-justified, is say N points, then one might distribute N spaces 
between intervening words (each insert is one point in width.)

(I ran into one of the few instances where recursion is truly 
useful--beside fractals and the Tower of Hanoi.)

To see this try (in the message box):

go stack url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/JustifyText.rev"

Jim

P.S. Thanks to Phil Davis for pointing out that the formattedText of 
a field separates the lines. Thanks Phil.


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jul 30 10:14:17 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 07:14:17 -0700
Subject: Getting the type code of a file under OSX
In-Reply-To: <42EB7B72.1070509@tweedly.net>
References: <3f07cc2605072916562b518cff@mail.gmail.com>	<3AED7EAA-09B4-4A7F-88B8-98DA7FBA9C0C@sosmartsoftware.com>	<f3caf65c520b62fe322bdab124c41ead@qldlearning.com>	<8E7B89EC-C607-45E9-817B-82B8FBCF7B54@sosmartsoftware.com>	<9326D5DC-428D-4822-ACDA-B21766F3D367@lacscentre.co.uk>	<9B7E7561-1ABC-46A4-BF0D-531C910DBFB5@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<42EB7B72.1070509@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <42EB8B39.7050407@fourthworld.com>

Alex Tweedly wrote:
> You could try (I did !!) using the trick I saw from Richard a couple of 
> weeks ago, using a complex filter expression to ensure the right number 
> of items - e.g.
>   filter ... pFileName & ",*,*,*,*,*,*,*,*,*,*"  but that also fails the 
> "a,11" case as above.

For grabbing just one line I often just include boundaries around the 
text with lineOffset:

   put lineoffset(cr& tMyFileame&"," , cr& tFileList)

Because the file names are URL encoded commas become %2C, so I don't 
believe there's a risk of getting commas in the name confused with 
delimiters.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sat Jul 30 10:24:10 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:24:10 +0200
Subject: Getting the type code of a file under OSX
In-Reply-To: <42EB7B72.1070509@tweedly.net>
References: <3f07cc2605072916562b518cff@mail.gmail.com>	<3AED7EAA-09B4-4A7F-88B8-98DA7FBA9C0C@sosmartsoftware.com>	<f3caf65c520b62fe322bdab124c41ead@qldlearning.com>	<8E7B89EC-C607-45E9-817B-82B8FBCF7B54@sosmartsoftware.com>	<9326D5DC-428D-4822-ACDA-B21766F3D367@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<9B7E7561-1ABC-46A4-BF0D-531C910DBFB5@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<42EB7B72.1070509@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <297F4F7C-A919-4A16-B184-F9397BD068D7@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Alex,

I should not have thought that such a tiny problem could go so far :-)
Error management is the key of good software...
So, I propose another approach:
As usual, is this one the last one?
:-)

function CreatorAndType pFilePath
   local tDefaultFolder,tFile,tCreatorType
   -----
   if the platform <> "MacOs" then return "Error: filetype not  
supported"
   put the defaultFolder into tDefaultFolder
   set the itemdel to slash
   set the defaultFolder to item 1 to -2 of pFilePath
   put the detailed files into tFile
   filter tFile with urlEncode(item -1 of pFilePath) & ",*"
   set the defaultFolder to tDefaultFolder
   set the itemDel to comma
   if last char of tFile = comma then return "Error: could not  
determine the filetype"
   return char 1 to 4 of item -1 of tFile,char 5 to 8 of item -1 of  
tFile
end CreatorAndType

Le 30 juil. 05 ? 15:06, Alex Tweedly a ?crit :

> Eric Chatonet wrote:
>
>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> You are perfectly right: I missed this one.
>> So a reliable function could be:
>>
>>
> getting close ... but not quite there yet, because of the issue of  
> comma being an allowed character in file names.
> (I don't know if this applies to Mac - but I'm 99% sure it will,  
> since this is a relatively common thing to do in Unix, so I'd  
> expect the OSX file system to allow it).
>
> If the Mac doesn't allow this, then your function is OK - but  
> beware of the problem for any other operation you do on "the  
> detailed files".
> If Mac does allow commas in file names, then it causes two problems.
>
> The first is easy - but rather dangerous. You cannot use "item 11"  
> for the file creator - you should alway use "item -1". The same  
> applies to all the items returned - you should use "item -10" for  
> file size, rather than "item 2", etc.
>
> However, this doesn't work as it should on Windows.
> The docs say
>
>
>>     * The file's access permissions
>>     * The file's creator and file type (Mac OS and OS X only)
>> Any attribute that is not supported on the current system is  
>> reported as "0" (zero).
>>
>>
> But in fact on Windows, the creator and file type (not supported)  
> are set to empty, not "0".
> This is a real pain, because it means that you always have an empty  
> last item - so the number of items is 10.
> [Does the Mac ever return empty Creator and file type ?]
>
> Therefore you need to add a check for the last character being  
> comma, and if it is append some safe string (e.g. a space), before  
> using the negative index numbers.
>
> The second problem is rather more obscure - but if we want to claim  
> to work in 100% of the cases, not 99.99..% we should cover it.
>
> I believe you cannot use a "filter" to match any arbitrary filename  
> you might be given.
>
> filter ... pFileName & ",*"
>  fails because    "name" and "name,date" both match pFileName = "name"
> You might think you could depend on the fact that the files are  
> alphabetic to always get the one you want first (I certainly did  
> when I started writing this email), but you can't.  Using the  
> filename "a,11" will falsely match the file "a" if it happens to be  
> 11 bytes long (or 110, or 11234, ...). Since "a" comes before "a, 
> 11" it will be the first one found.
>
> You could try (I did !!) using the trick I saw from Richard a  
> couple of weeks ago, using a complex filter expression to ensure  
> the right number of items - e.g.
>   filter ... pFileName & ",*,*,*,*,*,*,*,*,*,*"  but that also  
> fails the "a,11" case as above.
>
> So I think you need to loop through them, checking the file name.  
> But you cannot do as Dave suggested, and compare item 1 of each  
> line against the file name, because that would fail to match a  
> filename containing a comma that should match.
> You instead need to compare "item 1 to -11"  (once you've done the  
> above check for empty last item).
>
> So we finish up with what I *think* is a truly reliable version
>
> function CreatorAndType pFilePath
>  local tDefaultFolder,tFile,tCreatorType, theLine, L, tNewFiles, tName
>  -----
>  if the platform <> "MacOs" then return "Error: filetype not   
> supported"
>  put the defaultFolder into tDefaultFolder
>  set the itemdel to slash
>  set the defaultFolder to item 1 to -2 of pFilePath
>  put urlDecode(the detailed files) into tFile
>  put empty into tNewFiles
>  put item -1 of pFilePath into tName
>  set the itemDel to comma
>  repeat for each line L in tFile
>    put L into theLine
>    if the last char of theLine = comma then put space after theLine
>    if item 1 to -11 of theLine = tName then put L & cr after tNewFiles
>  end repeat
>  put tNewFiles into tFile
>  -- put tFile & cr after msg
>  if tFile = empty then return "Error: could not find file"
>  set the defaultFolder to tDefaultFolder
>  return tFile
> end CreatorAndType
>
>
>
>> Le 30 juil. 05 ? 13:07, Dave Cragg a ?crit :
>>
>>
>>> On 30 Jul 2005, at 10:40, Eric Chatonet wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Brian,
>>>>
>>>> As the files function returns a list sorted by alphabetical  
>>>> order,  I don't think it's necessary.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But, for example, if you were looking for a file named  
>>> "mend.png"  and there was a file named "amend.png" in the folder,  
>>> you'd find  "amend.png".
>>>
>>> A bit cumbersome, but when I've done this, I've repeated through   
>>> all lines in the detailed files and done a match on the first  
>>> item  in each.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> dave
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Best Regards from Paris,
>>
>> Eric Chatonet.
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From b.xavier at internet.lu  Sat Jul 30 10:33:51 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:33:51 +0200
Subject: Windows Registry Again
In-Reply-To: <1122725111.6646.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20050730142235.39F01825365@mail.runrev.com>

Hi Michael

Just type "echo %SystemRoot%" in the command line or the shell.

other values are available if you just type "set"

cheers 
Xavier

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Michael
> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 14:05
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Windows Registry Again
> 
> Hello,
> Anyone help with this idea as how to find a value below a 
> RootPath in the registry ? For example I'm attempting to pull 
> all the network card info put into a temp file sift through 
> it looking for a setting, then if setting is run the app if 
> setting is not do not run app. 
> I'm trying this but since the rootpath is empty i get of 
> course empty,  
> 
> put 
> queryregistry("HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlset\Services
> \Tcpip\Parameters") into tpCheck
> 
> Thanks
> Michaeld
> 
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sat Jul 30 10:49:58 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:49:58 +0200
Subject: Getting the type code of a file under OSX
In-Reply-To: <297F4F7C-A919-4A16-B184-F9397BD068D7@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <3f07cc2605072916562b518cff@mail.gmail.com>	<3AED7EAA-09B4-4A7F-88B8-98DA7FBA9C0C@sosmartsoftware.com>	<f3caf65c520b62fe322bdab124c41ead@qldlearning.com>	<8E7B89EC-C607-45E9-817B-82B8FBCF7B54@sosmartsoftware.com>	<9326D5DC-428D-4822-ACDA-B21766F3D367@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<9B7E7561-1ABC-46A4-BF0D-531C910DBFB5@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<42EB7B72.1070509@tweedly.net>
	<297F4F7C-A919-4A16-B184-F9397BD068D7@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <D274F95D-983F-477D-A1D9-792BC5B061E9@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi all who follow this thread,

This list is great since it forces us to try to reach excellence :-)
I thought I have posted the last one.
No ;-)
It does work but can be more elegant:

function CreatorAndType pFilePath
   local tDefaultFolder,tFile,tCreatorType
   -----
   if the platform <> "MacOs" then return "Error: filetype not  
supported"
   put the defaultFolder into tDefaultFolder
   set the itemdel to slash
   set the defaultFolder to item 1 to -2 of pFilePath
   put the detailed files into tFile
   filter tFile with urlEncode(item -1 of pFilePath) & ",*"
   set the defaultFolder to tDefaultFolder
   set the itemDel to comma
   put item 11 of tFile into tCreatorType
   if tCreatorType = empty then return "Error: could not determine  
the filetype"
   return char 1 to 4 of tCreatorType,char 5 to 8 of tCreatorType
end CreatorAndType

Have a nice week-end,

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

Le 30 juil. 05 ? 16:24, Eric Chatonet a ?crit :

> I should not have thought that such a tiny problem could go so far :-)
> Error management is the key of good software...
> So, I propose another approach:
> As usual, is this one the last one?
> :-)
>
> function CreatorAndType pFilePath
>   local tDefaultFolder,tFile,tCreatorType
>   -----
>   if the platform <> "MacOs" then return "Error: filetype not  
> supported"
>   put the defaultFolder into tDefaultFolder
>   set the itemdel to slash
>   set the defaultFolder to item 1 to -2 of pFilePath
>   put the detailed files into tFile
>   filter tFile with urlEncode(item -1 of pFilePath) & ",*"
>   set the defaultFolder to tDefaultFolder
>   set the itemDel to comma
>   if last char of tFile = comma then return "Error: could not  
> determine the filetype"
>   return char 1 to 4 of item -1 of tFile,char 5 to 8 of item -1 of  
> tFile
> end CreatorAndType


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From mcdomi at free.fr  Sat Jul 30 11:24:37 2005
From: mcdomi at free.fr (Dom)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:24:37 +0200
Subject: [FR] [EN]Re: Getting the type code of a file under OSX
In-Reply-To: <D274F95D-983F-477D-A1D9-792BC5B061E9@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <1h0iw6b.17l71j0buxnwtM%mcdomi@free.fr>

Eric Chatonet <eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com> wrote:

> function CreatorAndType pFilePath
>    local tDefaultFolder,tFile,tCreatorType

oui c'est pas mal du tout !
very nice, indeed!

a propos de d?claration des "locals" : n'est-il pas pr?f?rable de les
d?clarer en-t?te du script du controle, en dehors des handlers ?
about "locals" statement: is it preferable to place it in the "header"
of the control script, outside of any handler?

-- 
Revolutionario (not so much, indeed)



From alex at tweedly.net  Sat Jul 30 11:31:15 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:31:15 +0100
Subject: Getting the type code of a file under OSX
In-Reply-To: <42EB8B39.7050407@fourthworld.com>
References: <3f07cc2605072916562b518cff@mail.gmail.com>	<3AED7EAA-09B4-4A7F-88B8-98DA7FBA9C0C@sosmartsoftware.com>	<f3caf65c520b62fe322bdab124c41ead@qldlearning.com>	<8E7B89EC-C607-45E9-817B-82B8FBCF7B54@sosmartsoftware.com>	<9326D5DC-428D-4822-ACDA-B21766F3D367@lacscentre.co.uk>	<9B7E7561-1ABC-46A4-BF0D-531C910DBFB5@sosmartsoftware.com>	<42EB7B72.1070509@tweedly.net>
	<42EB8B39.7050407@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <42EB9D43.8020506@tweedly.net>

Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Alex Tweedly wrote:
>
>> You could try (I did !!) using the trick I saw from Richard a couple 
>> of weeks ago, using a complex filter expression to ensure the right 
>> number of items - e.g.
>>   filter ... pFileName & ",*,*,*,*,*,*,*,*,*,*"  but that also fails 
>> the "a,11" case as above.
>
>
> For grabbing just one line I often just include boundaries around the 
> text with lineOffset:
>
>   put lineoffset(cr& tMyFileame&"," , cr& tFileList)
>
> Because the file names are URL encoded commas become %2C, so I don't 
> believe there's a risk of getting commas in the name confused with 
> delimiters.

There is a danger if you urlDecode() them first, which the code sample did.
You're quite right - if you urlEncode() the file name passed in, that is 
a much safer, and easier,  method.

-- 
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sat Jul 30 11:33:59 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:33:59 +0200
Subject: [FR] [EN]Re: Getting the type code of a file under OSX
In-Reply-To: <1h0iw6b.17l71j0buxnwtM%mcdomi@free.fr>
References: <1h0iw6b.17l71j0buxnwtM%mcdomi@free.fr>
Message-ID: <AB2D873B-D688-4485-8AC4-DD7E3031C060@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Dom,

Tu peux faire les deux mais ce n'est pas la m?me chose.
You can do both but it's not the same.

Quand les variables sont d?clar?es en t?te du script, leurs valeurs  
sont alors accessibles par toutes les proc?dures du script.
When variables are declared outside the handlers their values are  
available to all handlers in the script.

Quand elles sont d?clar?es ? l'int?rieur d'une proc?dure, leur valeur  
n'existe que pour la proc?dure consid?r?e.
When they are declared inside a handler, their values are only  
available for this handler.

Le 30 juil. 05 ? 17:24, Dom a ?crit :

> Eric Chatonet <eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com> wrote:
>
>
>> function CreatorAndType pFilePath
>>    local tDefaultFolder,tFile,tCreatorType
>>
>
> oui c'est pas mal du tout !
> very nice, indeed!
>
> a propos de d?claration des "locals" : n'est-il pas pr?f?rable de les
> d?clarer en-t?te du script du controle, en dehors des handlers ?
> about "locals" statement: is it preferable to place it in the "header"
> of the control script, outside of any handler?
>
> -- 
> Revolutionario (not so much, indeed)


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
----------------------------------------------------------------
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Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc.
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----------------------------------------------------------------
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sat Jul 30 11:44:34 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:44:34 +0200
Subject: Files function or Tiger bug?
Message-ID: <C6D1B126-5D92-48BF-9E20-AFD9B934B8EC@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi all,

Mac OS X issue (Tiger)
When working on the "Getting the type code of a file under OSX"  
thread, I noticed that the long files function return an empty  
filetype for TextEdit files (raw text or RTF).
FileBuddy reports correctly, Rev not.
Could you confirm?

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
----------------------------------------------------------------
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Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc.
Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch

Free plugins and tutorials on my website
----------------------------------------------------------------
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Email        eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/
Phone        33 (0)1 43 31 77 62
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----------------------------------------------------------------



From alex at tweedly.net  Sat Jul 30 11:44:43 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:44:43 +0100
Subject: [FR] [EN]Re: Getting the type code of a file under OSX
In-Reply-To: <AB2D873B-D688-4485-8AC4-DD7E3031C060@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <1h0iw6b.17l71j0buxnwtM%mcdomi@free.fr>
	<AB2D873B-D688-4485-8AC4-DD7E3031C060@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <42EBA06B.1050605@tweedly.net>

Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi Dom,
>
> Tu peux faire les deux mais ce n'est pas la m?me chose.
> You can do both but it's not the same.
>
> Quand les variables sont d?clar?es en t?te du script, leurs valeurs  
> sont alors accessibles par toutes les proc?dures du script.
> When variables are declared outside the handlers their values are  
> available to all handlers in the script.
>
> Quand elles sont d?clar?es ? l'int?rieur d'une proc?dure, leur valeur  
> n'existe que pour la proc?dure consid?r?e.

Quand possible, c'est pr?f?rable.

> When they are declared inside a handler, their values are only  
> available for this handler.

And so, IMHO, it is better to declare them inside unless you explicitly 
want, and need, to share them - more safety from possible mistakes.

(Sorry about the terse French translation - the fewer words you use, the 
fewer chances of mistakes :-)

-- 
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sat Jul 30 11:47:00 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:47:00 +0200
Subject: [FR] [EN]Re: Getting the type code of a file under OSX
In-Reply-To: <42EBA06B.1050605@tweedly.net>
References: <1h0iw6b.17l71j0buxnwtM%mcdomi@free.fr>
	<AB2D873B-D688-4485-8AC4-DD7E3031C060@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<42EBA06B.1050605@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <73E5B0DB-9F19-4DA6-BF2F-133F5AB8DBE4@sosmartsoftware.com>

Right Alex!
Very comprehensive French and Transcript :-)

Le 30 juil. 05 ? 17:44, Alex Tweedly a ?crit :

> Eric Chatonet wrote:
>
>
>> Hi Dom,
>>
>> Tu peux faire les deux mais ce n'est pas la m?me chose.
>> You can do both but it's not the same.
>>
>> Quand les variables sont d?clar?es en t?te du script, leurs  
>> valeurs  sont alors accessibles par toutes les proc?dures du script.
>> When variables are declared outside the handlers their values are   
>> available to all handlers in the script.
>>
>> Quand elles sont d?clar?es ? l'int?rieur d'une proc?dure, leur  
>> valeur  n'existe que pour la proc?dure consid?r?e.
>>
>
> Quand possible, c'est pr?f?rable.
>
>
>> When they are declared inside a handler, their values are only   
>> available for this handler.
>>
>
> And so, IMHO, it is better to declare them inside unless you  
> explicitly want, and need, to share them - more safety from  
> possible mistakes.
>
> (Sorry about the terse French translation - the fewer words you  
> use, the fewer chances of mistakes :-)
>
> -- 
> Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net
>
>
>
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From see3d at writeme.com  Sat Jul 30 12:30:59 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 12:30:59 -0400
Subject: Help, what am I doing wrong???
Message-ID: <9E66FE8D-D556-42B3-A57F-ED87F4091157@writeme.com>

I have the following script (much simplified from original).
In the form shown, it generates results and saves them into the  
following variable names:
openSAW
openSAWW
openSAWWW
openSAWWWW
openSAWWWWW
openSW

This is not what I intended!
However if I make a small change to the script as shown in the  
comments it works fine and fills the globals with the results.

Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong with the original script?

Dennis


     global  
typSAPW,openSAPW,lowSAPW,highSAPW,closeSAPW,dVol7WEMAW,volP50EMAW,volP50 
EMA5W,IIV50W
     --
ON mouseUp
     local inNames1,fileText1
     put  
"OpenSAP,LowSAP,HighSAP,CloseSAP,TypSAP,DVol7WEMA,VolP50EMA,VolP50EMA5,I 
IV50," into inNames1
     put "123"&cr&"456"&cr&"789"&cr into fileText1
     REPEAT for each item inName1 in inNames1 --replace inName1 with  
n1 and uncomment next line to make this work
         --   put n1 into inName1
         put "W" after inName1
         do "put fileText1 into "&inName1
         do "split "&inName1&" with cr"
     END repeat
     get it
END mouseUp



From howard.bornstein at gmail.com  Sat Jul 30 12:48:09 2005
From: howard.bornstein at gmail.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 12:48:09 -0400
Subject: Files function or Tiger bug?
In-Reply-To: <200507301549.j6UFnDGe009599@ms-smtp-02.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
References: <200507301549.j6UFnDGe009599@ms-smtp-02.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3f07cc260507300948c74d044@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/30/05, Eric Chatonet <eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Mac OS X issue (Tiger)
> When working on the "Getting the type code of a file under OSX"
> thread, I noticed that the long files function return an empty
> filetype for TextEdit files (raw text or RTF).
> FileBuddy reports correctly, Rev not.
> Could you confirm?
> 
> Best Regards from Paris,
> 
> Eric Chatonet.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> So Smart Software

Hi Eric,

I had no problem here with regards to the long files function
correctly identifying text files. By raw text I assume you mean a type
code of TEXT, right? Long files correctly finds this. When I checked a
number of .rtf files created by TextEdit, they came up blank because,
apparently, TextEdit only uses the file extension to specify a .rtf
file and the long files correctly reports the type as empty (the long
description ends with a comma).

-- 
Regards,

Howard Bornstein
-----------------------
www.designeq.com


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sat Jul 30 12:58:53 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:58:53 +0200
Subject: [OT] For Howard Bornstein
Message-ID: <03471267-81CC-415C-BFE8-4EC3DE160940@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Howard,
Could you explain to me why I receive this (if you can):

> This is the Postfix program at host postfix3-2.free.fr.
>
> I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not
> be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.
>
> For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster>
>
> If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
> delete your own text from the attached returned message.
>
>             The Postfix program
>
> <bornstein at designeq.com>: host designeq.com[209.51.132.194] said:
>     550-X-RBL-Warning: 213.228.0.169 is in a blacklist at  
> spam.dnsbl.sorbs.net.
>     550 http://www.dnsbl.us.sorbs.net/cgi-bin/lookup? 
> js&IP=213.228.0.169 (in
>     reply to RCPT TO command)
> Reporting-MTA: dns; postfix3-2.free.fr
> X-Postfix-Queue-ID: 4F042C0A9
> X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com
> Arrival-Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:55:42 +0200 (CEST)
>
> Final-Recipient: rfc822; bornstein at designeq.com
> Action: failed
> Status: 5.0.0
> Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; host designeq.com[209.51.132.194] said:
>     550-X-RBL-Warning: 213.228.0.169 is in a blacklist at  
> spam.dnsbl.sorbs.net.
>     550 http://www.dnsbl.us.sorbs.net/cgi-bin/lookup? 
> js&IP=213.228.0.169 (in
>     reply to RCPT TO command)
>
> De : Eric Chatonet <eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com>
> Date : 30 juillet 2005 18:55:41 HAEC
> ? : bornstein at designeq.com
> Objet : R?p : Files function or Tiger bug?

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 30 12:59:45 2005
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 09:59:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Help, what am I doing wrong???
In-Reply-To: <9E66FE8D-D556-42B3-A57F-ED87F4091157@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <20050730165945.37016.qmail@web60518.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Dennis Brown <see3d at writeme.com> wrote:
> I have the following script (much simplified from
> original).
> In the form shown, it generates results and saves
> them into the  
> following variable names:
> openSAW
> openSAWW
> openSAWWW
> openSAWWWW
> openSAWWWWW
> openSW
> 
> This is not what I intended!
> However if I make a small change to the script as
> shown in the  
> comments it works fine and fills the globals with
> the results.
> 
> Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong with the
> original script?
> 
> Dennis
> 

Hi Dennis,

I believe this was largely due to modifying the
control variable <inName1> within the repeat loop. I
made some other changes, and you'll find the result
below:

##
global
typSAPW,openSAPW,lowSAPW,highSAPW,closeSAPW,dVol7WEMAW,volP50EMAW,volP50,EMA5W,IIV50W
--
on mouseUp
  breakpoint
  local inNames1,fileText1
  put
"OpenSAP,LowSAP,HighSAP,CloseSAP,TypSAP,DVol7WEMA,VolP50EMA,VolP50EMA5,IIV50"
into inNames1
  put "123"&cr&"456"&cr&"789" into fileText1
  repeat for each item inName1x in inNames1
    put inName1X & "W" into inName1
    do ("global" && inName1 & ";put fileText1 into" &&
inName1)
    do ("global" && inName1 & ";split" && inName1 &&
"with cr")
  end repeat
end mouseUp
##

Running the above script seemed to work for me.

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam - Tools for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)


		
____________________________________________________
Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page 
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs 
 


From mcdomi at free.fr  Sat Jul 30 13:03:37 2005
From: mcdomi at free.fr (Dom)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:03:37 +0200
Subject: [FR] [EN]Re: Getting the type code of a file under OSX
In-Reply-To: <AB2D873B-D688-4485-8AC4-DD7E3031C060@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <1h0j0iq.2sl1p2x3lyprM%mcdomi@free.fr>

Eric Chatonet <eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com> wrote:

> Quand les variables sont d?clar?es en t?te du script, leurs valeurs  
> sont alors accessibles par toutes les proc?dures du script.
> When variables are declared outside the handlers their values are  
> available to all handlers in the script.

OK
(it's gone bilingual ;-))
 
> Quand elles sont d?clar?es ? l'int?rieur d'une proc?dure, leur valeur
> n'existe que pour la proc?dure consid?r?e.
> When they are declared inside a handler, their values are only  
> available for this handler.

OK!

When I have a complex script with calls to another "proc?dures", it is
therefore better to explicitly declare the variables used by the main
script and its "proc?dures" (the handlers, commands and fucntions)
called by this main handler (hard to speak of, not confusing between
"script" = all the handlers in a control, and the handlers composing the
script)

By the way, I made the choice of "explicit variables"...
Nonetheless, Rev allows to use implicit variables shared by handlers
among a given script -- but better to declare them as locals?
I remember that in HC you had to resort on globals in this case...
You ended a session with a number of globals you didnt' remember of ;-)



From howard.bornstein at gmail.com  Sat Jul 30 13:25:39 2005
From: howard.bornstein at gmail.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:25:39 -0400
Subject: Help, what am I doing wrong???
In-Reply-To: <200507301634.j6UGYGGe008125@ms-smtp-02.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
References: <200507301634.j6UGYGGe008125@ms-smtp-02.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3f07cc2605073010254c239653@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/30/05, Dennis Brown <see3d at writeme.com> wrote:
> I have the following script (much simplified from original).
> In the form shown, it generates results and saves them into the
> following variable names:
> openSAW
> openSAWW
> openSAWWW
> openSAWWWW
> openSAWWWWW
> openSW
> 
> This is not what I intended!
> However if I make a small change to the script as shown in the
> comments it works fine and fills the globals with the results.
> 
> Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong with the original script?
> 
> Dennis
> 
> 
>      global
> typSAPW,openSAPW,lowSAPW,highSAPW,closeSAPW,dVol7WEMAW,volP50EMAW,volP50
> EMA5W,IIV50W
>      --
> ON mouseUp
>      local inNames1,fileText1
>      put
> "OpenSAP,LowSAP,HighSAP,CloseSAP,TypSAP,DVol7WEMA,VolP50EMA,VolP50EMA5,I
> IV50," into inNames1
>      put "123"&cr&"456"&cr&"789"&cr into fileText1
>      REPEAT for each item inName1 in inNames1 --replace inName1 with
> n1 and uncomment next line to make this work
>          --   put n1 into inName1
>          put "W" after inName1
>          do "put fileText1 into "&inName1
>          do "split "&inName1&" with cr"
>      END repeat
>      get it
> END mouseUp


Weird! Interestingly, if you manually step through your script in
debug mode (or run in trace mode) it works fine. It only exhibits this
strange behavior if you let it rip at full speed. (???)

Also, try this: put a breakpoint at the line "put "W" after inName1".
Run the script and click "step into" after you hit the breakpoint and
watch the value of inName1 change in the variable watcher. Very
strange!

-- 
Regards,

Howard Bornstein
-----------------------
www.designeq.com


From howard.bornstein at gmail.com  Sat Jul 30 13:36:10 2005
From: howard.bornstein at gmail.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:36:10 -0400
Subject: Getting the type code of a file under OSX
In-Reply-To: <3f07cc2605072916562b518cff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3f07cc2605072916562b518cff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3f07cc2605073010362e301d2e@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for all the nice refinements to the basic algorithm. I
originally used a script like the one Dave Cragg mentioned.

But doesn't it strike everyone that this is cumbersome for such a
simple request.

Perhaps I should enter a BZ enhancement for a function:

getFileAttributes(filepath) that returns one detailed line ? la long files.

-- 
Regards,

Howard Bornstein
-----------------------
www.designeq.com


From mcdomi at free.fr  Sat Jul 30 13:48:49 2005
From: mcdomi at free.fr (Dom)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:48:49 +0200
Subject: [FR] [EN]Re: Getting the type code of a file under OSX
In-Reply-To: <AB2D873B-D688-4485-8AC4-DD7E3031C060@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <1h0j2xz.1hhe8mx173l16sM%mcdomi@free.fr>

To Eric and Alex:

> Tu peux faire les deux mais ce n'est pas la m?me chose.
> You can do both but it's not the same.

Euh, si c'?tait possible de ne PAS faire de copie en Mail... Merci ;-)
Eeeer, is it possible NOT to send a copy in Mail... Thanks ;-)



From alex at tweedly.net  Sat Jul 30 13:59:32 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:59:32 +0100
Subject: Getting the type code of a file under OSX
In-Reply-To: <3f07cc2605073010362e301d2e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3f07cc2605072916562b518cff@mail.gmail.com>
	<3f07cc2605073010362e301d2e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42EBC004.1090501@tweedly.net>

Howard Bornstein wrote:

>Thanks for all the nice refinements to the basic algorithm. I
>originally used a script like the one Dave Cragg mentioned.
>
>But doesn't it strike everyone that this is cumbersome for such a
>simple request.
>  
>
Yes.

>Perhaps I should enter a BZ enhancement for a function:
>
>getFileAttributes(filepath) that returns one detailed line ? la long files.
>
"Ask for the sun, and be content when you are given the moon".

In that spirit, why not make the BZ request include providing a 
"filepath" which can include file filters similar to those used in 
"answer file" or more generally allowing file name "globbing", e.g.
   getFileAttributes("/usr/bin/*.exe")
   getFileAttributes("/Our Documents/Alex/archive*")
 

-- 
Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net



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From b.xavier at internet.lu  Sat Jul 30 14:55:00 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 20:55:00 +0200
Subject: OT:ANN:WTF:WOAH Factor
Message-ID: <20050730184338.85E018253AC@mail.runrev.com>

Hi fractal lovers
 
i've still to find the recursive quantic xor funktion to make an easy and
fast mandelbrot in rev however i have made 11 more fractal/moire types for
my moire engine MoireX Vol3 since first release...
 
if there is any interest, i will post it via monsieurx.com if not, i will
post it in the near temporal spaceline when i complete 15-25 different types
of moire fractals... the lack of feedback makes me really not happy to
release it... As if no one appreciates these nice demos... 
 
The reason i hold here as ransom for more is that if there is any interest,
we could generate a few hundred more and chart this region of
chromatographic space over polar and rectangular coordinates. It is a study
in quantic chromas which is a region of math-space that is defined as visual
candy out of macro-astronomic and subatomic stat spaces... IOWs, it's
something real despite the fact that we dont know what it represents ;)
 
Im missing one piece though... how to animate the palettes... If there's any
ideas, we could have something even cooler than toasted bread colored
screens... Anyone remember the old MacOS screensaver? Even AfterDark didn't
come close to it... 
 
http://www.jbum.com/pixmagic/gallogic.html (if you look hard you will also
find code for 2 wheel spyrographs).
 
was the source of inspiration that led me to the actual fractal/moire i was
trying to generate with the rev contest 10 line script - and i wasn't far
although that's debatable... And now, im 11 steps ahead with a smoother
color engine without changing the drawing code at all! I never thought i'd
do such cool gradients - but i still haven't tought of making button
gradients to compete with Chipp's great buttons ;)
 
Remember, with GradientNO2 you can make gradient colored flat 3D buttons ;)
This makes N-Dimentional color interpretation possible! colorblind people
could find a universal translator application here. it's not such a wild and
dumb theory you know!

What's next? 3D convoluted temporal distortions in subspace and quantum
dimensions in color gradients ;) So where's the subspace functions in rev ?
:) Computer, activate Emergency Logic Program...
 
I dont know what it is but more than fertile imagination does ;)
 
So if you like this stuff, let me know and I will post the "upgrade" for
on-going-online-development activities!
 
this is more fun than GTR... Well, almost... Driving me on the edge is not
that easy ;)
 
cheers
Xavier
http://monsieurx.com



From revdan at danshafer.com  Sat Jul 30 15:08:24 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 12:08:24 -0700
Subject: ANN: Sudoku Assistant
In-Reply-To: <42EAC7C3.8010006@tweedly.net>
References: <42EAC7C3.8010006@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <DA9845AD-790D-4D33-A680-9FF852934C12@danshafer.com>

Oh, thanks a LOT, Alex! Now I'll waste the entire freaking weekend  
doing Sudoku. I am already hooked! I never saw this kind of puzzle  
before (and after reading the article in Wikipedia, I know why;  
they're pretty new in terms of wide popularity) but it so fits my  
obsession with numeric patterns that I'm afraid I may just have found  
the thing that will ultimately destroy all that remains of my  
productivity.

I noticed a couple of things as I began working with your program.

First, I noticed that when I choose one of the puzzles with some  
givens in it, those givens are not eliminated from the display list  
of possibilities for other squares in the region. As I understand the  
rules of Sudoku -- and my knowledge base is less than two hours old  
at this point -- that would be quite helpful and would be expected, no?

Second, when I loaded puzzle #1, at some point in solving it, the  
square I'll call square 7 (lower left) in the lower-right region  
suddenly became blank and responded to clicks only by highlighting.  
It was no longer possible to put a value into that cell. That cell  
was NOT a given when the puzzle started.

Third, when played in the IDE, your program brings up the message box  
all the time, which is just slightly annoying. I'm guessing that if I  
compile it into a standalone that problem would go away.

Fourth -- and perhaps related to my second point above -- the number  
of solution values in the right column dropped to 0 at some point and  
stayed there. I took that to mean I had an error somewhere in the  
partial solution but after careful inspection, it seemed OK. But my  
scan may have overlooked the problem cited as the second point above,  
so that may be moot and expected behavior.

It occurred to me it would be way cool if I could take a puzzle from  
a magazine, enter the givens in your assistant and save it. I know  
you have a mechanism for loading a text file with a known format that  
would also accomplish that but unless you have plans to implement  
that, I may take a crack at it.

Cool program. Now where did I put my No-Doz?

:-D

Dan

On Jul 29, 2005, at 5:20 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

>
> The other day I mentioned that I had done a simple "Sudoku  
> Assistant" - a simple stack which gives you some assistance in  
> solving Sudoku Puzzles. I had done it over the course of an evening  
> or two while on vacation, and had decided that I really didn't find  
> Sudoku puzzles all that fascinating, so it had been languishing  
> since then.
>
> But mentioning it here, and having a couple of people ask about it,  
> revived my interest, so I've spent 3 hours today tidying it up and  
> adding a couple of useful features (Undo/Redo/combination  
> counts/...). (I also spent 4 or 5 hours learning basics of RunRev  
> in some areas I hadn't used before - useful for me, but only  
> contributed about 10 minutes of useful work towards this stack :-)
>
> It's posted in RevOnline, under Games, or username alextweedly -  
> called SudokuAssistant
> Enjoy, and as always I'd welcome any comments, suggestions, even  
> requests ...
>
> -- 
> Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net
>
>
>
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From see3d at writeme.com  Sat Jul 30 15:13:06 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 15:13:06 -0400
Subject: Help, what am I doing wrong???
In-Reply-To: <20050730165945.37016.qmail@web60518.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050730165945.37016.qmail@web60518.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <73E917CF-AF48-446C-8107-34172E513808@writeme.com>


On Jul 30, 2005, at 12:59 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote:
>
> Hi Dennis,
>
> I believe this was largely due to modifying the
> control variable <inName1> within the repeat loop. I
> made some other changes, and you'll find the result
> below:

I guess I don't understand the repeat for each control structure they  
way I thought I did.
I wonder if the repeat for each variable is really a pointer to the  
original complete string that gets overwritten if you modify the  
variable.  In that case the repeat for each variable must be a read  
only value... or else!

But wait, there's more...  From the dictionary:

 >>"The for each element labelVariable in array form sets the  
labelVariable to the first element in the array at the beginning of  
the loop, then sets it to the next element for each iteration.

 >>  Important!  You cannot change the labelVariable in a statement  
inside the loop. Doing so will cause a script error..."

Well I never got that script error message!

I guess what they meant to say was that "You cannot change the  
CONTENTS OF THE labelVariable in a statement inside the loop. Doing  
so will cause YOU TO GO CRAZY TRYING TO DEBUG YOUR SCRIPT SINCE IT  
WILL WORK FINE IN DEBUG MODE"

>  repeat for each item inName1x in inNames1
>     put inName1X & "W" into inName1
>
> Running the above script seemed to work for me.

Right, because the inName1x variable is never modified.


From mswindel at santacruz.k12.ca.us  Sat Jul 30 15:30:03 2005
From: mswindel at santacruz.k12.ca.us (Mark Swindell)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 12:30:03 -0700
Subject: Video tutorials - OS X
Message-ID: <AB5BB4F2-6AFB-414E-82C8-F8F23C5DF08C@santacruz.k12.ca.us>

Why don't I get video with the Rev OnLine tutorials in OS X 10.4?   
Only audio.

This has probably been covered... but is there an easy answer?

Mark


From revdan at danshafer.com  Sat Jul 30 15:36:42 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 12:36:42 -0700
Subject: Video tutorials - OS X
In-Reply-To: <AB5BB4F2-6AFB-414E-82C8-F8F23C5DF08C@santacruz.k12.ca.us>
References: <AB5BB4F2-6AFB-414E-82C8-F8F23C5DF08C@santacruz.k12.ca.us>
Message-ID: <1349F8C1-5DA1-4D00-A2DA-7AE15CE21DE7@danshafer.com>

Not sure what's going on here, Mark, but I can assure you the videos  
work fine on OS X 10.4.

Dan

On Jul 30, 2005, at 12:30 PM, Mark Swindell wrote:

> Why don't I get video with the Rev OnLine tutorials in OS X 10.4?   
> Only audio.
>
> This has probably been covered... but is there an easy answer?
>
> Mark
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sat Jul 30 15:43:52 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:43:52 +0200
Subject: Video tutorials - OS X
In-Reply-To: <AB5BB4F2-6AFB-414E-82C8-F8F23C5DF08C@santacruz.k12.ca.us>
References: <AB5BB4F2-6AFB-414E-82C8-F8F23C5DF08C@santacruz.k12.ca.us>
Message-ID: <101A97BB-1627-42BB-93BF-9762E3F4A1D3@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Mark,

You need the right codec installed.
Se in the "Third party" folder in your Rev main app folder: it's there.
Hope this helps.

Le 30 juil. 05 ? 21:30, Mark Swindell a ?crit :

> Why don't I get video with the Rev OnLine tutorials in OS X 10.4?   
> Only audio.
>
> This has probably been covered... but is there an easy answer?

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jul 30 16:12:07 2005
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 15:12:07 -0500
Subject: Load URL doesn't send message
In-Reply-To: <39E87007-A952-43B5-AFC7-53DC0C4CE5EF@easynet.fr>
References: <42E99569.3090000@hyperactivesw.com>	<98008438-1FFD-4EFB-832E-CB311D061F50@lacscentre.co.uk>	<42EA9019.3070002@hyperactivesw.com>
	<38B48591-6076-47FE-A952-CA6A8A46553D@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<42EAC06E.3010406@hyperactivesw.com>
	<39E87007-A952-43B5-AFC7-53DC0C4CE5EF@easynet.fr>
Message-ID: <42EBDF17.7010501@hyperactivesw.com>

Pierre Sahores wrote:
 >
 > Did you test in using different socketTimeoutInterval values ?
 >
 >> set the socketTimeoutInterval to 10000
 >> ... your code ...
 >> set the socketTimeoutInterval to 10

Thanks Pierre, but I don't think I need it. I sent the stack to Dave 
Cragg and it worked fine for him. It also worked fine for me on another 
Mac, and it worked twice on my main Mac before it stopped working.

I may post again later to see if anyone can recognize the problems I'm 
having with this stack. Right now I am stuck, but I think there is 
something wrong with the stack, my machine, or my copy of Revolution. I 
am trying to figure it out.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From alex at tweedly.net  Sat Jul 30 16:40:03 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:40:03 +0100
Subject: ANN: Sudoku Assistant
In-Reply-To: <DA9845AD-790D-4D33-A680-9FF852934C12@danshafer.com>
References: <42EAC7C3.8010006@tweedly.net>
	<DA9845AD-790D-4D33-A680-9FF852934C12@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <42EBE5A3.9060705@tweedly.net>

Dan Shafer wrote:

> Oh, thanks a LOT, Alex! Now I'll waste the entire freaking weekend  
> doing Sudoku. I am already hooked! I never saw this kind of puzzle  
> before (and after reading the article in Wikipedia, I know why;  
> they're pretty new in terms of wide popularity) but it so fits my  
> obsession with numeric patterns that I'm afraid I may just have found  
> the thing that will ultimately destroy all that remains of my  
> productivity.

I only discovered them in May - they were mentioned on slashdot, and a 
couple of days later I went on vacation - and found myself with laptop 
but without Internet connectivity. In the airport on the way, I bought a 
newspaper, which had a couple of puzzles in it.  The program was the 
result ....  but I found the idea of writing a program to do it more 
appealing than doing the puzzles myself.

> I noticed a couple of things as I began working with your program.
>
> First, I noticed that when I choose one of the puzzles with some  
> givens in it, those givens are not eliminated from the display list  
> of possibilities for other squares in the region. As I understand the  
> rules of Sudoku -- and my knowledge base is less than two hours old  
> at this point -- that would be quite helpful and would be expected, no?

Yes, it would be *too* helpful. In fact, if I did that immediately, you 
would only see completed puzzles for number 1,2 and 3. Number 4 is a lot 
harder than the others - they can be "solved" simply by diligently 
applying the rule of eliminating row,col,square for those squares which 
have only a single value left. Puzzle 4 requires a big step up to 
eliminating values due to common pairs. (I'll say no more in case that 
would be a "spoiler" for anyone).

So you get to do a little bit of work - you can click on a square 
containing a single value, and it will eliminate that value from the 
rest of its in the row, column and 3x3 square.  Or, if you're impatient, 
you can click on the "Auto" button and it will do that for you, to each 
button in turn.

> Second, when I loaded puzzle #1, at some point in solving it, the  
> square I'll call square 7 (lower left) in the lower-right region  
> suddenly became blank and responded to clicks only by highlighting.  
> It was no longer possible to put a value into that cell. That cell  
> was NOT a given when the puzzle started.

I've seen that once, but not been able to reproduce it. I am 80% sure it 
was a follow-on from filling-in a wrong answer (which causes a "?" to 
appear somewhere), and then Undo-ing my way back past that point. I made 
a couple of fixes since I saw it, nothing that I could tie in to that 
symptom - but natural optimism made me hope I had fixed it as a 
side-effect.

I'll try again to make it happen (and code-review the Undo after error 
cases).

>
> Third, when played in the IDE, your program brings up the message box  
> all the time, which is just slightly annoying. I'm guessing that if I  
> compile it into a standalone that problem would go away.

Hmmm - I must have left in a debug statement somewhere. My fault - I 
usually use a "log" function, but originally this was going to be 
"throw-away" code that I wrote for amusement during my vacation, and 
didn't intend to do anything more with. I'll look for that too ...

> Fourth -- and perhaps related to my second point above -- the number  
> of solution values in the right column dropped to 0 at some point and  
> stayed there. I took that to mean I had an error somewhere in the  
> partial solution but after careful inspection, it seemed OK. But my  
> scan may have overlooked the problem cited as the second point above,  
> so that may be moot and expected behavior.

Yes, it does mean that there is a wrong answer. You didn't by any chance 
read the "Help" info ?  :-)
The last sentence says:

> Also, the number of remaining possible combinations shown on the right 
> will be 0, so it will be fairly obvious. You can then Undo and try 
> another value, or try a different square.

When you put in an incorrect value for a square, it will eliminate that 
number from rest of the the row, col and 3x3 square. If this results in 
there being no possible values remaining, that square gets a "?" - and 
the number of possible combinations goes to 0.  So if you notice it's at 
0, Undo until you get back above the highest "0" line, then Redo once 
and check the row,col and square corresponding to that last change for 
any "?"s. Note this does NOT mean that your last entered value is wrong; 
it could in fact be that this one is correct and there was an earlier 
wrong value, which means that this correct step eliminates the last 
possible value from some square.


> It occurred to me it would be way cool if I could take a puzzle from  
> a magazine, enter the givens in your assistant and save it. I know  
> you have a mechanism for loading a text file with a known format that  
> would also accomplish that but unless you have plans to implement  
> that, I may take a crack at it.
>
That would be very easy - I'll do that at the same time as I fix the 
spelling mistakes in the Help info and re-upload to RevOnline in an hour 
or so .... 


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From dweeble at wi.rr.com  Sat Jul 30 17:01:32 2005
From: dweeble at wi.rr.com (Michael)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:01:32 -0500
Subject: Windows Registry Again
In-Reply-To: <20050730142235.39F01825365@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050730142235.39F01825365@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1122757292.7081.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hey thanks for the reply
 I guess rootpath was the wrong wording to use.
What I'm looking for are the network cards and values under this
registry heading, "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlset\Services
\Tcpip\Parameters" and put into a .dat file to query. Some systems have
2 cards or more so I cannot get just the values I'm looking for from
just one card. 
I'm not sure what to place after Parameters to include below
Parameters ? I get blank with this.
put queryregistry("HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlset\Services
\Tcpip\Parameters") into tpCheck





On Sat, 2005-07-30 at 16:33 +0200, MisterX wrote:
> Hi Michael
> 
> Just type "echo %SystemRoot%" in the command line or the shell.
> 
> other values are available if you just type "set"
> 
> cheers 
> Xavier
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> > [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Michael
> > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 14:05
> > To: How to use Revolution
> > Subject: Windows Registry Again
> > 
> > Hello,
> > Anyone help with this idea as how to find a value below a 
> > RootPath in the registry ? For example I'm attempting to pull 
> > all the network card info put into a temp file sift through 
> > it looking for a setting, then if setting is run the app if 
> > setting is not do not run app. 
> > I'm trying this but since the rootpath is empty i get of 
> > course empty,  
> > 
> > put 
> > queryregistry("HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlset\Services
> > \Tcpip\Parameters") into tpCheck
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Michaeld
> > 
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From alex at tweedly.net  Sat Jul 30 17:20:14 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 22:20:14 +0100
Subject: ANN: Sudoku Assistant
In-Reply-To: <42EBE5A3.9060705@tweedly.net>
References: <42EAC7C3.8010006@tweedly.net>	<DA9845AD-790D-4D33-A680-9FF852934C12@danshafer.com>
	<42EBE5A3.9060705@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <42EBEF0E.5000509@tweedly.net>

Alex Tweedly wrote:

>
>> It occurred to me it would be way cool if I could take a puzzle from  
>> a magazine, enter the givens in your assistant and save it. I know  
>> you have a mechanism for loading a text file with a known format 
>> that  would also accomplish that but unless you have plans to 
>> implement  that, I may take a crack at it.
>>
> That would be very easy - I'll do that at the same time as I fix the 
> spelling mistakes in the Help info and re-upload to RevOnline in an 
> hour or so ....
>
OK, done.
Beware that it does NOT make any sanity check on the puzzle as you save 
it - so if you have specified some values that do not permit any 
possible completion - it gets saved. Even if you have already got to a 
blocking point (with "?s showing), it gets saved.
The file format is the same as used for loading - so every square is 
either a known, fixed, single digit - or is shown as "x". So if you are 
working through a puzzle, and have reduced the number of possible values 
in other squares - possibly down to a single remaining value - they are 
nevertheless all shown as "x". It is only those squares that you have 
defined that get their digit in the file.

btw - it's still faster to edit the file by hand :-)   
Depends on whether your a "command line, text editor" user or a GUI guy :-)

Also fixed some typos in Help, removed the annoying "put ... msg", and 
added version number (1.1)
Didn't manage reproduce the "square goes blank" problem yet.

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From joel.guillod at net2000.ch  Sat Jul 30 17:48:35 2005
From: joel.guillod at net2000.ch (Joel Guillod)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:48:35 +0200
Subject: Getting the type code of a file under OSX
In-Reply-To: <20050730153442.9D2658252E7@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050730153442.9D2658252E7@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <70F81E10-5790-4DB7-B218-3C4891D7CE24@net2000.ch>

Hi Eric,


> So, I propose another approach:
> As usual, is this one the last one?
> :-)
> [...]
> function CreatorAndType pFilePath
>    local tDefaultFolder,tFile,tCreatorType
>    -----
>    if the platform <> "MacOs" then return "Error: filetype not
> supported"
>    put the defaultFolder into tDefaultFolder
>    set the itemdel to slash
>    set the defaultFolder to item 1 to -2 of pFilePath
>    put the detailed files into tFile
>    filter tFile with urlEncode(item -1 of pFilePath) & ",*"
>    set the defaultFolder to tDefaultFolder
>    set the itemDel to comma
>    put item 11 of tFile into tCreatorType
>    if tCreatorType = empty then return "Error: could not determine
> the filetype"
>    return char 1 to 4 of tCreatorType,char 5 to 8 of tCreatorType
> end CreatorAndType


This is the function handler I will retain for own my file&folder  
library:

/**
@usage local tCreator,tType; if file_getCreatorAndType 
(pFilePath, at tCreator, at tType) is not empty then
@result The returned value will not be empty if the pFilePath file  
does not exist. Also tCreator and tType will be set to the creator  
and type of the file pFilePath; when empty, the creator and type are  
not set for the OS plateform.
@version 30.7.2005 - Modified by Joel Guillod from a proposal by Eric  
Chatonnet.
*/
function file_getCreatorAndType pFilePath, at pCreator, at pType
   local tDefaultFolder,tFile,
   put the defaultFolder into tDefaultFolder
   set the itemdel to slash
   set the defaultFolder to item 1 to -2 of pFilePath
   put the detailed files into tFile
   set the defaultFolder to tDefaultFolder
   filter tFile with urlEncode(item - 1 of pFilePath),"*"
   if tFile = empty then return "Error: could not find file"
   set the itemDel to comma
   get matchtext(item 11 of tFile,"(....)(....)",pCreator,pType)
end file_getCreatorAndType



Remarks:
- I dont want to have the handler to rely on one specific platform.  
So I dont check that the platform <> "MacOs". The result will be  
empty on not MacOS plateforms and this is safe (or a contract for the  
result).
- The function is intended to extract the file creator and/or type  
(at least one of both), so not to repeat the char 1 to 4/char 6 to 9  
on the result in the calling handle, I propose to directly set the  
value in the function by passing by reference the pCreator and pType  
variables. This should save some fractions of millisecs...
- ... and better it will be safer for future use: if you call your  
function and then forget that comma can be in the 4-chars of the  
creator or type, you could wrote buggy code like:
    put CreatorAndType(pFilePath) into tct
    put item 1 of tct into tCreator -- correct is: char 1 to 4 of tct
    put item 2 of tct into tType -- correct is: char 6 to 9 of tct



> When working on the "Getting the type code of a file under OSX"
> thread, I noticed that the long files function return an empty
> filetype for TextEdit files (raw text or RTF).
> FileBuddy reports correctly, Rev not.
> Could you confirm?

Yes I confirm such a behavior. Remember that under MacOSX, not all  
files have a creator/type. Suffix of the file (e.g. ".pdf") is  
usually sufficient for the MacOSX to know its type and therefore how  
to deal with it (e.g. application to open it).

One question: how can I get the application(s) which can open a file  
given its filepath? One answer to open the file but does not give the  
application(s) names:
    revgourl URL ("binfile:" && tFilepath)
Other solutions for each supported platform?

Joel
------------------------------------------------------
"Ils ne savaient pas que c'?tait impossible, alors ils l'ont  
fait." (Mark Twain)
"They did not know that it was impossible, so they did it."



From revdan at danshafer.com  Sat Jul 30 18:08:31 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 15:08:31 -0700
Subject: ANN: Sudoku Assistant
In-Reply-To: <42EBEF0E.5000509@tweedly.net>
References: <42EAC7C3.8010006@tweedly.net>	<DA9845AD-790D-4D33-A680-9FF852934C12@danshafer.com>
	<42EBE5A3.9060705@tweedly.net> <42EBEF0E.5000509@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <D326B9FE-C21D-41BA-B370-C386FCFBC596@danshafer.com>

Alex.....

Thanks for the fast update. I'll go play with the new version.

MEanwhile, I've discovered the Sudoku of the Day, an excellent Mac  
shareware program that generates new puzzles and saves, and a  
Dashboard Widget that plays quite nicely as well.

I have not yet solved my first puzzle completely but I'm determined  
to do so today.

These things are addictive!

Dan

On Jul 30, 2005, at 2:20 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> Alex Tweedly wrote:
>
>
>>
>>
>>> It occurred to me it would be way cool if I could take a puzzle  
>>> from  a magazine, enter the givens in your assistant and save it.  
>>> I know  you have a mechanism for loading a text file with a known  
>>> format that  would also accomplish that but unless you have plans  
>>> to implement  that, I may take a crack at it.
>>>
>>>
>> That would be very easy - I'll do that at the same time as I fix  
>> the spelling mistakes in the Help info and re-upload to RevOnline  
>> in an hour or so ....
>>
>>
> OK, done.
> Beware that it does NOT make any sanity check on the puzzle as you  
> save it - so if you have specified some values that do not permit  
> any possible completion - it gets saved. Even if you have already  
> got to a blocking point (with "?s showing), it gets saved.
> The file format is the same as used for loading - so every square  
> is either a known, fixed, single digit - or is shown as "x". So if  
> you are working through a puzzle, and have reduced the number of  
> possible values in other squares - possibly down to a single  
> remaining value - they are nevertheless all shown as "x". It is  
> only those squares that you have defined that get their digit in  
> the file.
>
> btw - it's still faster to edit the file by hand :-)   Depends on  
> whether your a "command line, text editor" user or a GUI guy :-)
>
> Also fixed some typos in Help, removed the annoying "put ... msg",  
> and added version number (1.1)
> Didn't manage reproduce the "square goes blank" problem yet.
>
> -- 
> Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net
>
>
>
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From curry at pair.com  Sat Jul 30 18:35:48 2005
From: curry at pair.com (curry at pair.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:35:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: ANN: Agile 10 Key 1.0
In-Reply-To: <20050730170004.BBFB38253C1@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050730170004.BBFB38253C1@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1813.69.242.143.211.1122762948.squirrel@webmail5.pair.com>


Agile 10 Key, the ten-key practice software, is now available for Windows
too. (It's been available for OS X for a little while already, and this
makes the 1.0 release complete.)

http://curryk.com/10.html

The Mac version allows users to train for either Mac or PC keypad layout,
including pretty good imitation of the big "+" key. Couldn't do vice versa
for the PC version, without having the user saw that key in two. :-)

If you try it, whether it's the Mac or Windows version, feel free to let
me know how you find it. (Especially, does the Mac version work OK on
Tiger?)

Any suggestions on good types of promotions also appreciated!

Curry




From psahores at easynet.fr  Sat Jul 30 18:42:07 2005
From: psahores at easynet.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 00:42:07 +0200
Subject: Video tutorials - OS X
In-Reply-To: <AB5BB4F2-6AFB-414E-82C8-F8F23C5DF08C@santacruz.k12.ca.us>
References: <AB5BB4F2-6AFB-414E-82C8-F8F23C5DF08C@santacruz.k12.ca.us>
Message-ID: <1E8D890F-CE36-452E-B30F-4375276AE8D4@easynet.fr>

Hello Mark, Hello Rev Team,

See below the codec to install to read the RevOnline tutorials :

> /MesSofts/Revolution\ 2.6/Third\ Party/TechSmiths\ EnSharpen\ Codec/ 
> EnSharpen\ decoder\ OSX.pkg/

To Rev Team,

You sould do a test of reencoding the video tutorials in using 3ivXD4  
as a free codec, 4 x more powerfull than MP4, working well with old  
processors and natively supported by the QT player engine... I  
would'nt recommand H.264 for yet : works well with fast processors only.

Best Regards,


Le 30 juil. 05 ? 21:30, Mark Swindell a ?crit :

> Why don't I get video with the Rev OnLine tutorials in OS X 10.4?   
> Only audio.
>
> This has probably been covered... but is there an easy answer?
>
> Mark
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sat Jul 30 19:08:58 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:08:58 -0500
Subject: Getting the type code of a file under OSX
In-Reply-To: <70F81E10-5790-4DB7-B218-3C4891D7CE24@net2000.ch>
Message-ID: <BF1172BA.26CE4%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 7/30/05 4:48 PM, "Joel Guillod" <joel.guillod at net2000.ch> wrote:

> Hi Eric,
> 
> 
>> So, I propose another approach:
>> As usual, is this one the last one?
>> :-)
>> [...]
>> function CreatorAndType pFilePath

Man, I was out all day and say this thread... just to add *one more*
approach, here's what I do, and it returns all of the attributes of a file
or folder into an array so I can just get the array element I need:


on mouseUp
  answer file "Get a file:"
  if it <> "" then
    put stsFileInfo(it,"file") into tDocInfoA
    put tDocInfoA["creatorType"]
  end if
end mouseUp

If I selected a Word document, this would return "MSWDW8BN".

----------------------------------------------------------------------
--| FUNCTION: stsFileInfo
--|
--| Author:   Ken Ray
--| Version:  1.0
--| Created:  3/4/04
--| Last Mod: --
--| Requires: --
--|
--| Retrieves the file/folder information on a specific file/folder in a
parseable array
----------------------------------------------------------------------

function stsFileInfo pFilePath,pType
  -- supports keys of
"full,fileName,dataSize,resSize,createDate,modDate,accessDate,BUdate,ownerID
,groupID,permissions,creatorType,Size"
  set the itemDel to "/"
  put urlEncode(last item of pFilePath) into tItem
  delete last item of pFilePath
  put the directory into tOldDir
  set the directory to pFilePath
  if pType = "file" then
    put the detailed files into tDetailedList
  else
    put the detailed folders into tDetailedList
  end if
  set the directory to tOldDir
  set the itemDel to ","
  put lineOffset(cr&tItem&",",cr&tDetailedList) into tLine
  put line tLine of tDetailedList into tDetailedInfo
  replace "," with tab in tDetailedInfo
  set the itemDel to tab
  put tDetailedInfo into tFileA["full"]
  put urlDecode(item 1 of tDetailedInfo) into tFileA["fileName"]
  put (item 2 of tDetailedInfo) into tFileA["dataSize"]
  put (item 3 of tDetailedInfo) into tFileA["resSize"]
  put (item 2 of tDetailedInfo) + (item 3 of tDetailedInfo) into
tFileA["size"]
  put "createDate,modDate,accessDate,BUdate" into tDates
  replace "," with tab in tDates
  repeat with x = 4 to 7
    put item x of tDetailedInfo into tSecs
    if tSecs <> "" then convert tSecs to short date and time
    put tSecs into tFileA[(item x-3 of tDates)]
  end repeat
  put (item 8 of tDetailedInfo) into tFileA["ownerID"]
  put (item 9 of tDetailedInfo) into tFileA["groupID"]
  put (item 10 of tDetailedInfo) into tFileA["permissions"]
  put (item 11 of tDetailedInfo) into tFileA["creatorType"]
  return tFileA
end stsFileInfo

HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com




From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sat Jul 30 19:27:25 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:27:25 -0500
Subject: Windows Registry Again
In-Reply-To: <1122757292.7081.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <BF11770D.26CE9%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 7/30/05 4:01 PM, "Michael" <dweeble at wi.rr.com> wrote:

> Hey thanks for the reply
>  I guess rootpath was the wrong wording to use.
> What I'm looking for are the network cards and values under this
> registry heading, "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlset\Services
> \Tcpip\Parameters" and put into a .dat file to query. Some systems have
> 2 cards or more so I cannot get just the values I'm looking for from
> just one card. 
> I'm not sure what to place after Parameters to include below
> Parameters ? I get blank with this.
> put queryregistry("HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlset\Services
> \Tcpip\Parameters") into tpCheck

You could use the command line "regedit /E <pathToFile> <registryKeyPath>"
to output the key and its subkeys to a file, and you can then parse through
that file. Support for this command goes way back (at least to Win98
(verifiied) or Win95 (not verified).

HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com




From yoursignup at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 30 21:03:13 2005
From: yoursignup at yahoo.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 15:03:13 -1000
Subject: Load URL doesn't send message
In-Reply-To: <BFC6A3ED-4504-4D41-856D-54567D56F7B6@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <NFBBLOHILHFAJLKKJKKLOEAGHKAA.yoursignup@yahoo.com>

I hadn't monitored this list for a couple of days, and just now came across
this thread. I am having a similar problem with libURLDownloadToFile. In my
case, there are 873 files being FTP downloaded. The problem is, in all but
about 10 cases, my handler does receive the message. But, it never gets all
873. The closest I've gotten is 872 out of 873 by increasing a wait from 0
to 500 milliseconds, in the handler itself, which slows the process down
even more than it already is! The missing messages seem to occur after half
way through.

At first I didn't know if the files were not being downloaded, or I just
wasn't getting the message. It turns out the files are downloaded, just a
missing message.

Also, a couple of other things. The correct return code is "downloaded" not
"cached" as the documentation indicates. There is never a return code of
"cached." The only other return code I've seen is an occasional "error" but
it appears there is a retry on these. Also there is apparently no need for
an unload URL tURL, as the cachedURLs is always empty.

The pertinent parts of the code are:

This queues the 873 files for download

 libURLSetFTPStopTime 30
    <initialize progress window stack progress bar>
    wait 0 milliseconds
    -----
    repeat with i = 1 to the number of lines of tFileList
      put line i of tFileList into tWebFile
      put tWebfile into tLocFile
      replace tFtpRootDir with tLocDir in tLocFile
      -----
      <update progress window stack progrogress bar>
      wait 0 milliseconds
      -----
      libURLDownloadToFile tWebFile,tLocFile,tResult
    end repeat
    <reset progress window stack progress bar to 0>
    wait 0 milliseconds


on tResult tURL, tURLStatus
  wait 0 milliseconds

  Switch tURLStatus
  case "cached"
    # This never happens
    Answer "Got a cached return code!" && tUrl && tURLStatus
    breakpoint
  case "downloaded"
    <increment progress bar>
    -----
    #Test code
    put tURL && " - " && tURLStatus & "(" & the uProgress of stack
"winProgress" && \
        "of" && the number of lines of tFileList & ")" & CR
    put tURL && " - " && tURLStatus & "(" & the uProgress of stack
"winProgress" && \
        "of" && the number of lines of tFileList & ")" & CR after testUrls
    #End test code
    -----
    get the itemDelimiter
    set the itemDelimiter to "@"
    put the last item of tURL into tFileNm
    replace the last item of tFtpRootDir with "" in tFileNm
    set the itemDelimiter to it -- put back whatever delimiter was there
    set the uFeedBack of stack "winProgress" to "Downloaded:"  && \
        "(" & the uProgress of stack "winProgress" && \
        "of" && the number of lines of tFileList & ")" && CR & LF & tFileNm
    -----
    -- unload URL tURL -- don't need
    -----
    if the uProgress of stack "winProgress" = the number of lines of
tFileList  then
      answer "Done! The web site files have been downloaded."
    end if
    break

  default
    /*
    don't need - only get a occasion "error" code and it retries
    */
    break
  end Switch

end tResult

Jim

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of Dave Cragg
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 1:32 AM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Load URL doesn't send message
>
>
>
> On 29 Jul 2005, at 09:37, Dave Cragg wrote:
>
>
> >
> > The things that could cause the message not to be sent that I can
> > think of:
> >
> > An "unload url" or clearing of  the pendingMessages after the
> > message has been sent but before it is handled. The likely place
> > for this kind of thing would be in the status callback handler.
> > After a succesful load, the final  callback message gets sent just
> > before the "load message", both sent in 0 milliseconds. So if your
> > callback handler does one of these things when the status is
> > "downloaded", the message won't get sent.
> >
> > So I'd look at the callback handler first.
> >
>
> Another area to look at in your script would be just after the load
> call. Anything there that might stop background scripts running (a
> runaway repeat or a wait) or that might clear the pendingMessages or
> unload the url could be an issue.
>
> Cheers
> Dave
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From dweeble at wi.rr.com  Sat Jul 30 20:32:14 2005
From: dweeble at wi.rr.com (Mike)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:32:14 -0500
Subject: Windows Registry Again
References: <BF11770D.26CE9%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <001201c59567$4c8630c0$0300a8c0@olie>

Hi Ken
Thats true that would work, I was hoping to let Rev do the work without
running an extra shell executable. I can't seem to figure a switch to add to
the end of query to get that info into tpCheck since everything I need to
get is below \Parameters.
put
queryregistry("HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlset\Services\Tcpip\Pa
rameters") into tpCheck

Michael

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Ray" <kray at sonsothunder.com>
To: "Use Revolution List" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: Windows Registry Again


> On 7/30/05 4:01 PM, "Michael" <dweeble at wi.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey thanks for the reply
> >  I guess rootpath was the wrong wording to use.
> > What I'm looking for are the network cards and values under this
> > registry heading, "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlset\Services
> > \Tcpip\Parameters" and put into a .dat file to query. Some systems have
> > 2 cards or more so I cannot get just the values I'm looking for from
> > just one card.
> > I'm not sure what to place after Parameters to include below
> > Parameters ? I get blank with this.
> > put queryregistry("HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlset\Services
> > \Tcpip\Parameters") into tpCheck
>
> You could use the command line "regedit /E <pathToFile> <registryKeyPath>"
> to output the key and its subkeys to a file, and you can then parse
through
> that file. Support for this command goes way back (at least to Win98
> (verifiied) or Win95 (not verified).
>
> HTH,
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
>
>
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From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Sat Jul 30 21:12:31 2005
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:12:31 -0400
Subject: Video tutorials - OS X
In-Reply-To: <1E8D890F-CE36-452E-B30F-4375276AE8D4@easynet.fr>
Message-ID: <BF119DBF.DCB8%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

I noticed that the video tutorials take so long to download when you are on
a dial-up connection that sometimes just the sound plays.


On 7/30/05 6:42 PM, "Pierre Sahores" <psahores at easynet.fr> wrote:

> Hello Mark, Hello Rev Team,
> 
> See below the codec to install to read the RevOnline tutorials :
> 
>> /MesSofts/Revolution\ 2.6/Third\ Party/TechSmiths\ EnSharpen\ Codec/
>> EnSharpen\ decoder\ OSX.pkg/
> 
> To Rev Team,
> 
> You sould do a test of reencoding the video tutorials in using 3ivXD4
> as a free codec, 4 x more powerfull than MP4, working well with old
> processors and natively supported by the QT player engine... I
> would'nt recommand H.264 for yet : works well with fast processors only.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> 
> Le 30 juil. 05 ? 21:30, Mark Swindell a ?crit :
> 
>> Why don't I get video with the Rev OnLine tutorials in OS X 10.4?
>> Only audio.
>> 
>> This has probably been covered... but is there an easy answer?
>> 
>> Mark
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From jhurley at infostations.com  Sat Jul 30 21:38:28 2005
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:38:28 -0700
Subject: ANN: Sudoku Assistant
In-Reply-To: <20050730111003.18860825342@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050730111003.18860825342@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p06200707bf11d53c1d78@[69.19.167.140]>

>
>Message: 3
>Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 01:20:19 +0100
>From: Alex Tweedly <alex at tweedly.net>
>Subject: ANN: Sudoku Assistant
>To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>Message-ID: <42EAC7C3.8010006 at tweedly.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>
>The other day I mentioned that I had done a simple "Sudoku Assistant" -
>a simple stack which gives you some assistance in solving Sudoku
>Puzzles. I had done it over the course of an evening or two while on
>vacation, and had decided that I really didn't find Sudoku puzzles all
>that fascinating, so it had been languishing since then.
>
>But mentioning it here, and having a couple of people ask about it,
>revived my interest, so I've spent 3 hours today tidying it up and
>adding a couple of useful features (Undo/Redo/combination counts/...).
>(I also spent 4 or 5 hours learning basics of RunRev in some areas I
>hadn't used before - useful for me, but only contributed about 10
>minutes of useful work towards this stack :-)
>
>It's posted in RevOnline, under Games, or username alextweedly - called
>SudokuAssistant
>Enjoy, and as always I'd welcome any comments, suggestions, even
>requests ...
>
>--
>Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net


Alex,

Thanks for the puzzle. Lots of fun. Dell Crosswords has a full page 
of these every month, though none as tough a your last. They 
generally are deterministic all the way to the end. Your number four 
requires assuming a solution at one point near the end and 
discovering a contradiction if the guess was wrong--proof by 
contradiction. (I must confess that the labels make it more difficult 
for me--harder to see what is filled in and what isn't.)

I am interested in what algorithm is used under the "Auto" button.

If you also enjoy Cryptogram puzzles, I have one which retrieves 4 
quotes from the web every day and encodes them for your decoding 
pleasure. It is my daily diagnostic tool to reveal the onset of 
senility. You can take a look at:

      go stack url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/DailyCryptoquote.rev"

It's a 450k file. It contains a dictionary for a decoder utility.

Jim


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jul 30 22:15:00 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:15:00 -0700
Subject: Help, what am I doing wrong???
In-Reply-To: <73E917CF-AF48-446C-8107-34172E513808@writeme.com>
References: <20050730165945.37016.qmail@web60518.mail.yahoo.com>
	<73E917CF-AF48-446C-8107-34172E513808@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <1003948417.20050730191500@ahsoftware.net>

Dennis-

Saturday, July 30, 2005, 12:13:06 PM, you wrote:

DB>  >>  Important!  You cannot change the labelVariable in a statement
DB> inside the loop. Doing so will cause a script error..."

DB> Well I never got that script error message!

Well, it's not exactly an error "message"... it *will* cause a script
"error", in the sense that your script will not do what you expect it
to do. This has tripped me up more times than several. I now try
really hard to remember to make a copy of the labelVariable and work
with that.

I would prefer it if the engine handed a copy of the loop variable to
the script and worked with its own immutable version internally, but
I'm not sure that would be any less confusing. You'd still have to
remember that you were working with a copy.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From see3d at writeme.com  Sat Jul 30 22:24:58 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 22:24:58 -0400
Subject: Help, what am I doing wrong???
In-Reply-To: <1003948417.20050730191500@ahsoftware.net>
References: <20050730165945.37016.qmail@web60518.mail.yahoo.com>
	<73E917CF-AF48-446C-8107-34172E513808@writeme.com>
	<1003948417.20050730191500@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <813F5E0E-DD77-4B97-BD87-CD800559A217@writeme.com>

Mark,

I never had any trouble remembering that something in a loop variable  
is a copy, because that is what I would expect.  However, it appears  
that what we have is just a label, not really a variable --that is  
until we exit the loop, then we have a variable with the last  
contents in it.

I would really like to get a real error message since it does not do  
what you expect from reading the code.  How many newbies do we have  
to trip up before we erect a stop sign at that intersection?

Should I BZ it?

Dennis

On Jul 30, 2005, at 10:15 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Dennis-
>
> Saturday, July 30, 2005, 12:13:06 PM, you wrote:
>
> DB>  >>  Important!  You cannot change the labelVariable in a  
> statement
> DB> inside the loop. Doing so will cause a script error..."
>
> DB> Well I never got that script error message!
>
> Well, it's not exactly an error "message"... it *will* cause a script
> "error", in the sense that your script will not do what you expect it
> to do. This has tripped me up more times than several. I now try
> really hard to remember to make a copy of the labelVariable and work
> with that.
>
> I would prefer it if the engine handed a copy of the loop variable to
> the script and worked with its own immutable version internally, but
> I'm not sure that would be any less confusing. You'd still have to
> remember that you were working with a copy.
>
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
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From SimPLsol at aol.com  Sat Jul 30 23:06:02 2005
From: SimPLsol at aol.com (SimPLsol at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:06:02 EDT
Subject: Font question, which Courier?
Message-ID: <146.49942b0f.301d9a1a@aol.com>

     Assuming Courier is the only crossplatform monospaced font, which is the 
best to use for a crossplatform stack? There is Courier, Courier CE, and 
Courier New; they all look similar to me. Thanks in advance.
Paul Looney


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sat Jul 30 23:27:43 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 22:27:43 -0500
Subject: Full justification
In-Reply-To: <p06200704bf1130a363bd@[69.19.167.140]>
Message-ID: <BF11AF5F.26D58%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 7/30/05 9:06 AM, "Jim Hurley" <jhurley at infostations.com> wrote:

> Perhaps another way to approach the problem of full justification for
> non-proportional fonts is to insert spaces whose width is set to 1
> point.
> 
> It turns out that the formatted width of the 2 point space character,
> with the points size set to 2 pts, (at least in Times font)  is 1
> point. (Pardon the dual use of the word "point.")
> 
> If the width needed to fill in the line, so that the text is also
> right-justified, is say N points, then one might distribute N spaces
> between intervening words (each insert is one point in width.)
> 
> (I ran into one of the few instances where recursion is truly
> useful--beside fractals and the Tower of Hanoi.)
> 
> To see this try (in the message box):
> 
> go stack url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/JustifyText.rev"

Nicely done, Jim! Now is there was some way to determine the number of
points needed based on different fonts and sizes, we could have a general
purpose justification routine!


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com




From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 31 00:17:55 2005
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:17:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Full justification
In-Reply-To: <20050730153442.6FD99825389@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20050731041755.76016.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Jim,

on Sat, 30 Jul 2005 
Jim Hurley wrote:

> go stack url
>"http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/JustifyText.rev"

Jim, this is an excellent example of the problems
that were pointed in this list, while trying to
full justify a text field.

If i copy this justified text field, all the extras
spaces are carried with the text. :-o

A handler or function that clean up the text in the
clipboard, before pasting it, could make this
justify handler transparent to the users. ;-)

Thanks a lot for posting this stack!
Have a nice weekend

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From chipp at chipp.com  Sun Jul 31 00:33:26 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:33:26 -0500
Subject: I want a doubleclick, not a singleclick
Message-ID: <42EC5496.2020803@chipp.com>

I looked through the archives and didn't see an answer to this one-- so 
I thought I'd post my own :-)

If you have both a mouseUp and mouseDoubleUp handler in a single button 
script, both will be executed when you double-click the button.

But, what if you only want the mouseDoubleUp to execute and NOT the 
mouseUp? Well, I chatted this eve with Ken Ray and Jan Schenkel and came 
up with the following (they both had a bit of a different spin on it, 
perhaps they'll elaborate).

Here's the guts:

local lDoubleClick

on mouseUp
   send "doClick" to me in (the doubleClickInterval) milliseconds
end mouseUp

on mouseDoubleUp
   put true into lDoubleClick
end mouseDoubleUp

on doClick
   if lDoubleClick = true then
      --> doDoubleClickstuff
     put false into lDoubleClick
   else
     --> doSingleClickStuff
   end if
end doClick

best,

Chipp


From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 31 00:43:19 2005
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:43:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: OT:ANN:WTF:WOAH Factor
In-Reply-To: <20050730222553.91B398253F4@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20050731044319.85121.qmail@web40505.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Xavier!

on Sat, 30 Jul 2005 20:55:00 +0200
Xavier wrote:

> i have made 11 more
> fractal/moire types for
> my moire engine MoireX Vol3 since first release...
> if there is any interest, i will post it via
> monsieurx.com 

Of course that there is interest to
see your work. :-)

> the lack of feedback makes me
> really not happy to
> release it... As if no one appreciates these nice
> demos... 

Oh! i think that many developers in this list
had this perception in one moment or another, but
the people here is not indifferent, just busy... ;-)

> The reason i hold here as ransom for more is that if
> there is any interest, we could generate a few 
> hundred more and chart this region of
> chromatographic space over polar and rectangular
> coordinates. 

Did you noticed that this statement somehow 
compromises the already busy schedule of 
other developers? :-(
Or i read this wrong? :-)

> So if you like this stuff, let me know and I will
> post the "upgrade" for on-going-online-development
> activities!

i like math and graphics, but could not take
time away from other projects... :-(

If nobody else respond, Would you post
the stack anyway? ;-)

Have a nice weekend

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From b.xavier at internet.lu  Sun Jul 31 00:54:00 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 06:54:00 +0200
Subject: OT:ANN:WTF:WOAH Factor
In-Reply-To: <20050731044319.85121.qmail@web40505.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050731044234.BDCB5825227@mail.runrev.com>

Hi Al,

Well, i only wanted to share some of the fun stuff - but the appreciation
meter for the first release of this stack was zero so... I needed to know ;)

It's available in RevOnline under MonsieurX - named MoireX Volume 3  

Only types 1-12 work so far... The button is out of place but only
temporarily. Creating your own should be quite easy, edit the gear button
and look for a bit switch statement...

The coloring is based on the spacial coordinates. Number 11 is a big
classic...

cheers
Xavier

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Alejandro Tejada
> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 06:43
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: OT:ANN:WTF:WOAH Factor
> 
> Hi Xavier!
> 
> on Sat, 30 Jul 2005 20:55:00 +0200
> Xavier wrote:
> 
> > i have made 11 more
> > fractal/moire types for
> > my moire engine MoireX Vol3 since first release...
> > if there is any interest, i will post it via monsieurx.com
> 
> Of course that there is interest to
> see your work. :-)
> 
> > the lack of feedback makes me
> > really not happy to
> > release it... As if no one appreciates these nice demos...
> 
> Oh! i think that many developers in this list had this 
> perception in one moment or another, but the people here is 
> not indifferent, just busy... ;-)
> 
> > The reason i hold here as ransom for more is that if there is any 
> > interest, we could generate a few hundred more and chart 
> this region 
> > of chromatographic space over polar and rectangular coordinates.
> 
> Did you noticed that this statement somehow compromises the 
> already busy schedule of other developers? :-( Or i read this 
> wrong? :-)
> 
> > So if you like this stuff, let me know and I will post the 
> "upgrade" 
> > for on-going-online-development activities!
> 
> i like math and graphics, but could not take time away from 
> other projects... :-(
> 
> If nobody else respond, Would you post
> the stack anyway? ;-)
> 
> Have a nice weekend
> 
> al
> 
> 
> Visit my site:
> http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/
> 
> 
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From b.xavier at internet.lu  Sun Jul 31 01:28:38 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 07:28:38 +0200
Subject: OT:ANN:WTF:WOAH Factor
Message-ID: <20050731051707.6888382533D@mail.runrev.com>


Every morning, something new happens...

bonus step 13...
Even more total eye candy...

Reminds me of flowfazer ;)

case 13
put Distance(x,y,cdw2,cdh2) * xsteps/ysteps into r
put atan2(x,y) into a
get int( (a bitxor r) mod item 1 of ColorPoint), \
    int( (a bitxor r) mod item 2 of ColorPoint), \
    int( (a bitxor r) mod item 3 of ColorPoint) break

this is the nicest so far... total interferometry, pond ripples and woah
factor to the max! best seen with squared patterns, variable border and
X=>100..500...

enjoy
Xavier 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: MisterX [mailto:b.xavier at internet.lu] 
> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 06:54
> To: 'How to use Revolution'
> Subject: RE: OT:ANN:WTF:WOAH Factor
> 
> Hi Al,
> 
> Well, i only wanted to share some of the fun stuff - but the 
> appreciation meter for the first release of this stack was 
> zero so... I needed to know ;)
> 
> It's available in RevOnline under MonsieurX - named MoireX Volume 3  
> 
> Only types 1-12 work so far... The button is out of place but 
> only temporarily. Creating your own should be quite easy, 
> edit the gear button and look for a bit switch statement...
> 
> The coloring is based on the spacial coordinates. Number 11 
> is a big classic...
> 
> cheers
> Xavier
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> > [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> > Alejandro Tejada
> > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 06:43
> > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Subject: Re: OT:ANN:WTF:WOAH Factor
> > 
> > Hi Xavier!
> > 
> > on Sat, 30 Jul 2005 20:55:00 +0200
> > Xavier wrote:
> > 
> > > i have made 11 more
> > > fractal/moire types for
> > > my moire engine MoireX Vol3 since first release...
> > > if there is any interest, i will post it via monsieurx.com
> > 
> > Of course that there is interest to
> > see your work. :-)
> > 
> > > the lack of feedback makes me
> > > really not happy to
> > > release it... As if no one appreciates these nice demos...
> > 
> > Oh! i think that many developers in this list had this 
> perception in 
> > one moment or another, but the people here is not indifferent, just 
> > busy... ;-)
> > 
> > > The reason i hold here as ransom for more is that if there is any 
> > > interest, we could generate a few hundred more and chart
> > this region
> > > of chromatographic space over polar and rectangular coordinates.
> > 
> > Did you noticed that this statement somehow compromises the already 
> > busy schedule of other developers? :-( Or i read this wrong? :-)
> > 
> > > So if you like this stuff, let me know and I will post the
> > "upgrade" 
> > > for on-going-online-development activities!
> > 
> > i like math and graphics, but could not take time away from other 
> > projects... :-(
> > 
> > If nobody else respond, Would you post the stack anyway? ;-)
> > 
> > Have a nice weekend
> > 
> > al
> > 
> > 
> > Visit my site:
> > http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/
> > 
> > 
> > 		
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun Jul 31 01:35:17 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 00:35:17 -0500
Subject: I want a doubleclick, not a singleclick
In-Reply-To: <42EC5496.2020803@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <BF11CD45.26D89%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 7/30/05 11:33 PM, "Chipp Walters" <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:

> I looked through the archives and didn't see an answer to this one-- so
> I thought I'd post my own :-)
> 
> If you have both a mouseUp and mouseDoubleUp handler in a single button
> script, both will be executed when you double-click the button.
> 
> But, what if you only want the mouseDoubleUp to execute and NOT the
> mouseUp? Well, I chatted this eve with Ken Ray and Jan Schenkel and came
> up with the following (they both had a bit of a different spin on it,
> perhaps they'll elaborate).

Thanks, Chipp... my version uses the pendingMessages to cancel the "doClick"
command if the user actually double-clicks:

on mouseUp
  send "doClick" to me in (the doubleClickInterval) milliseconds
end mouseUp

on mouseDoubleUp
  put lineOffset(",doClick,",the pendingMessages) into tLine
  if tLine <> 0 then cancel item 1 of line tLine of the pendingMessages
  --> doDoubleClickStuff
end mouseDoubleUp

on doClick
  --> doSingleClickStuff
end doClick

It's a bit shorter, but depends on the pendingMessages, so if you think some
external force may muck with the pendingMessages during the
doubleClickInterval you may wish to go another route. But it's worked for me
for years...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com




From b.xavier at internet.lu  Sun Jul 31 01:59:18 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 07:59:18 +0200
Subject: OT:ANN:WTF:WOAH Factor
In-Reply-To: <20050731051707.6888382533D@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20050731054748.040D9824E81@mail.runrev.com>

even more amazing

case 16
put Distance3d(x,y,cdw2,cdh2,0,r) into r
put atan2(x,y) into a
get (x bitxor r) mod item 1 of ColorPoint, \
    (y bitxor r) mod item 2 of ColorPoint, 
    (x*y bitxor a) mod item 3 of ColorPoint

[yes, i'll update this very soon on the web!]

we're talking about 3D chromatic interferometry now based on the xy and
polar center with the radius being factored as the 3rd dimention of the R
wave.

This combines 3 of the forms used in styles 1-15 which are the XOR
checkerboard, the moire function (style 1) and the polar ripples!

im having a mind pangalactic gargleblaster class blast with this!!!

now, a bit of optimization (got a great idea) and an option to "scale" the
chromatic space into a wave function of its own... 

cheers
Xavier 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of MisterX
> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 07:29
> To: 'How to use Revolution'
> Subject: RE: OT:ANN:WTF:WOAH Factor
> 
> 
> Every morning, something new happens...
> 
> bonus step 13...
> Even more total eye candy...
> 
> Reminds me of flowfazer ;)
> 
> case 13
> put Distance(x,y,cdw2,cdh2) * xsteps/ysteps into r put 
> atan2(x,y) into a get int( (a bitxor r) mod item 1 of ColorPoint), \
>     int( (a bitxor r) mod item 2 of ColorPoint), \
>     int( (a bitxor r) mod item 3 of ColorPoint) break
> 
> this is the nicest so far... total interferometry, pond 
> ripples and woah factor to the max! best seen with squared 
> patterns, variable border and X=>100..500...
> 
> enjoy
> Xavier 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: MisterX [mailto:b.xavier at internet.lu]
> > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 06:54
> > To: 'How to use Revolution'
> > Subject: RE: OT:ANN:WTF:WOAH Factor
> > 
> > Hi Al,
> > 
> > Well, i only wanted to share some of the fun stuff - but the 
> > appreciation meter for the first release of this stack was 
> zero so... 
> > I needed to know ;)
> > 
> > It's available in RevOnline under MonsieurX - named MoireX Volume 3
> > 
> > Only types 1-12 work so far... The button is out of place but only 
> > temporarily. Creating your own should be quite easy, edit the gear 
> > button and look for a bit switch statement...
> > 
> > The coloring is based on the spacial coordinates. Number 11 
> is a big 
> > classic...
> > 
> > cheers
> > Xavier
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> > > [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> > > Alejandro Tejada
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 06:43
> > > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > > Subject: Re: OT:ANN:WTF:WOAH Factor
> > > 
> > > Hi Xavier!
> > > 
> > > on Sat, 30 Jul 2005 20:55:00 +0200
> > > Xavier wrote:
> > > 
> > > > i have made 11 more
> > > > fractal/moire types for
> > > > my moire engine MoireX Vol3 since first release...
> > > > if there is any interest, i will post it via monsieurx.com
> > > 
> > > Of course that there is interest to
> > > see your work. :-)
> > > 
> > > > the lack of feedback makes me
> > > > really not happy to
> > > > release it... As if no one appreciates these nice demos...
> > > 
> > > Oh! i think that many developers in this list had this
> > perception in
> > > one moment or another, but the people here is not 
> indifferent, just 
> > > busy... ;-)
> > > 
> > > > The reason i hold here as ransom for more is that if 
> there is any 
> > > > interest, we could generate a few hundred more and chart
> > > this region
> > > > of chromatographic space over polar and rectangular coordinates.
> > > 
> > > Did you noticed that this statement somehow compromises 
> the already 
> > > busy schedule of other developers? :-( Or i read this wrong? :-)
> > > 
> > > > So if you like this stuff, let me know and I will post the
> > > "upgrade" 
> > > > for on-going-online-development activities!
> > > 
> > > i like math and graphics, but could not take time away from other 
> > > projects... :-(
> > > 
> > > If nobody else respond, Would you post the stack anyway? ;-)
> > > 
> > > Have a nice weekend
> > > 
> > > al
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Visit my site:
> > > http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 		
> > > __________________________________
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> > > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. 
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Jul 31 02:15:35 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:15:35 -0700
Subject: Help, what am I doing wrong???
In-Reply-To: <813F5E0E-DD77-4B97-BD87-CD800559A217@writeme.com>
References: <20050730165945.37016.qmail@web60518.mail.yahoo.com>
	<73E917CF-AF48-446C-8107-34172E513808@writeme.com>
	<1003948417.20050730191500@ahsoftware.net>
	<813F5E0E-DD77-4B97-BD87-CD800559A217@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <10918383113.20050730231535@ahsoftware.net>

Dennis-

Saturday, July 30, 2005, 7:24:58 PM, you wrote:

DB> I would really like to get a real error message since it does not do
DB> what you expect from reading the code.  How many newbies do we have
DB> to trip up before we erect a stop sign at that intersection?

DB> Should I BZ it?

I'm not sure it's actually a bug, but it's worth BZing just to keep it
on the rev team's radar, since it's a stumbling block that everyone
runs across at some time or other.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 31 03:27:18 2005
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (Erik Hansen)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 00:27:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Load URL doesn't send message
In-Reply-To: <42EBDF17.7010501@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <20050731072718.57418.qmail@web33007.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



--- "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:

hello,

i am getting "can't find handler" for 
playCmdAgent.  playCmdAgent.exe is in the same
folder. Quicktime was just downloaded and is in
a Quicktime for Windows98SE folder. Rev 2.1.
all soon to be updated.

i want to use this with my 16 track job
with send in time to get the harmonies right.

Erik Hansen

erik at erikhansen.org    http://www.erikhansen.org

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From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 31 03:29:09 2005
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (Erik Hansen)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 00:29:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: OOPs - playCmdAgent
In-Reply-To: <20050731072718.57418.qmail@web33007.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050731072909.52845.qmail@web33009.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


this was supposed to go to 

> i am getting "can't find handler" for
> playCmdAgent.  playCmdAgent.exe is in the same
> folder. Quicktime was just downloaded and is in
> a Quicktime for Windows98SE folder. Rev 2.1.
> all soon to be updated.
> 
> i want to use this with my 16 track job
> with send in time to get the harmonies right.
> 
> Erik Hansen
> 
> erik at erikhansen.org   
> http://www.erikhansen.org
> 
>
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From joel.guillod at net2000.ch  Sun Jul 31 03:36:21 2005
From: joel.guillod at net2000.ch (Joel Guillod)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:36:21 +0200
Subject: Getting the type code of a file under OSX
In-Reply-To: <20050731052525.7D2CE8253E9@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050731052525.7D2CE8253E9@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <A1DA0210-52A6-4664-9429-CAB63CAA3B81@net2000.ch>

Ken,

Why do you bother with the second parameter pType? Just drop it and  
change the following from:

   put urlEncode(last item of pFilePath) into tItem
   delete last item of pFilePath
   put the directory into tOldDir
   set the directory to pFilePath
   if pType = "file" then
     put the detailed files into tDetailedList
   else
     put the detailed folders into tDetailedList
   end if

to:

   put there is a file pFilePath into tIsFile -- new script line
   put urlEncode(last item of pFilePath) into tItem
   delete last item of pFilePath
   put the directory into tOldDir
   set the directory to pFilePath
   if tIsFile then -- modified script line
     put the detailed files into tDetailedList
   else
     put the detailed folders into tDetailedList
   end if

then the first line of your function is simply:

    function stsFileInfo pFilePath

and that's it!

Cheers,

Joel


> [...]
>
> on mouseUp
>   answer file "Get a file:"
>   if it <> "" then
>     put stsFileInfo(it,"file") into tDocInfoA
>     put tDocInfoA["creatorType"]
>   end if
> end mouseUp
>
> If I selected a Word document, this would return "MSWDW8BN".
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --| FUNCTION: stsFileInfo
> --|
> --| Author:   Ken Ray
> --| Version:  1.0
> --| Created:  3/4/04
> --| Last Mod: --
> --| Requires: --
> --|
> --| Retrieves the file/folder information on a specific file/folder  
> in a
> parseable array
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> function stsFileInfo pFilePath,pType
>   -- supports keys of
> "full,fileName,dataSize,resSize,createDate,modDate,accessDate,BUdate,o 
> wnerID
> ,groupID,permissions,creatorType,Size"
>   set the itemDel to "/"
>   put urlEncode(last item of pFilePath) into tItem
>   delete last item of pFilePath
>   put the directory into tOldDir
>   set the directory to pFilePath
>   if pType = "file" then
>     put the detailed files into tDetailedList
>   else
>     put the detailed folders into tDetailedList
>   end if
> [...]


From chipp at chipp.com  Sun Jul 31 03:36:46 2005
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:36:46 -0500
Subject: OT:ANN:WTF:WOAH Factor
In-Reply-To: <20050731054748.040D9824E81@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050731054748.040D9824E81@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <42EC7F8E.9080906@chipp.com>

OMG, WTF, AOL!! ROLF <G>
X,

I'm thinking adding an inverse chromatigadget combined with a single 
instance of gaussian uranus gofaster could make for even more fabutastic 
imagidisplay.

:-)


-chipp


From b.xavier at internet.lu  Sun Jul 31 04:10:52 2005
From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 10:10:52 +0200
Subject: ANN: MoireXVolume3 2.0 beta
In-Reply-To: <42EC7F8E.9080906@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <20050731075921.2EB8482534D@mail.runrev.com>

hey, you're welcome to join the paradimensional scripting challenge :)
but what does uranus have to do here? ;)

I've already converted the graphics to image rendering instead of creating a
zillion graphics... big improvement!  

Added color variance too.

I've updated the file on MonsieurX and removed the one from RevOnline (just
impossible to upload stuff to it - 50 tries and still can't grab a
socket!)...

Other than the missing help for the 2.0 features and the latent 1.0 tag on
the about box, if no one sees any errors... here the near final show...

I left a nice render that took quite a while to do at 500 points...

Download is here
http://monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=189
around 200KBs

cheers
Xav

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chipp Walters [mailto:chipp at chipp.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 09:37
> To: x at monsieurx.com; How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: OT:ANN:WTF:WOAH Factor
> 
> OMG, WTF, AOL!! ROLF <G>
> X,
> 
> I'm thinking adding an inverse chromatigadget combined with a 
> single instance of gaussian uranus gofaster could make for 
> even more fabutastic imagidisplay.
> 
> :-)
> 
> 
> -chipp
> 



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun Jul 31 04:10:20 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 03:10:20 -0500
Subject: Getting the type code of a file under OSX
In-Reply-To: <A1DA0210-52A6-4664-9429-CAB63CAA3B81@net2000.ch>
Message-ID: <BF11F19C.26DA6%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 7/31/05 2:36 AM, "Joel Guillod" <joel.guillod at net2000.ch> wrote:

> Ken,
> 
> Why do you bother with the second parameter pType? Just drop it and
> change the following from:

Thanks, Joel... normally I like to be explicit so that when I'm reading my
code later on, I know what's going on, although in OS X and WIndows now
there are normally file extensions which would indicate whether it's a file
or folder.

Good suggestion!


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com




From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun Jul 31 04:39:17 2005
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 03:39:17 -0500
Subject: Windows Registry Again
In-Reply-To: <001201c59567$4c8630c0$0300a8c0@olie>
Message-ID: <BF11F865.26DA8%kray@sonsothunder.com>

On 7/30/05 7:32 PM, "Mike" <dweeble at wi.rr.com> wrote:

> Hi Ken
> Thats true that would work, I was hoping to let Rev do the work without
> running an extra shell executable. I can't seem to figure a switch to add to
> the end of query to get that info into tpCheck since everything I need to
> get is below \Parameters.

There's no switch to figure out, unfortunately. You need to know the
specific key you want, or you can get the (Default) key by passing the path
with a trailing "\". That's it... Rev doesn't have a built in way to get a
list of the keys that existing inside another key. Hence the shell
executable...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com




From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Sun Jul 31 08:33:22 2005
From: FlexibleLearning at aol.com (FlexibleLearning at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 08:33:22 EDT
Subject: FileInfo function (was: Getting the type code of a file under OSX)
Message-ID: <1a3.38ae55fc.301e1f12@aol.com>

Another one for the Scripter's Scrapbook! On the shoulders of Ken's fine  
stsFileInfo that retrieves file and folder attributes in an array format, I have  
below refined it to include any required attribute/s all in one command, in 
any  combination and in any any order. The returned values are presented in the 
 same order as requested.
 
Example:
 
put  flcFileInfo(myFilePath,"CreatorType","size","modified","permissions")
 
It also handles the change in the detailedFiles function, where  an 
unsupported item is now 0 instead of empty (for example the 'BackUp Date'  under 
Windows). It is, however, backwards compatibile with the earlier  detailedFiles 
version.

Watch out for line-wrapping!
 
Optimising welcome.
 
/H
The Scripter's Scrapbook
www.FlexibleLearning/ssbk.htm
 
 

--| FUNCTION: flcFileInfo
--|
--| Author: Hugh Senior (based on  stsFileInfo by Ken Ray)
--| Version: 1.0
--| Created: 30-JUL-05
--|  Last Mod: --
--| Requires: Self-contained function handler for Revolution and  MetaCard
--| Summary: Retrieves the requested file/folder information, one  per line 
in the same order as requested
--| Format: flcFileInfo(param1  [,param2,param3...])
--| Parameters:
--|    param 1:  file/folder path
--|    param 2 to  n:
--|        EITHER: "full" or omitted  for a full, tab-delimted list
--|         OR: Any combination of these 12 specific attributes in any  
order...
--|                FilePath, FileName, DataSize, ResourceSize, Size, Created, 
Modified, Accessed,  BackUp, OwnerID, GroupID, Permissions, CreatorType
--|
--|  Examples:
--|    get flcFileInfo(myFilePath) - Returns an  itemised list
--|    get flcFileInfo(myFilePath,"full") -  Returns an itemised list
--|    get  flcFileInfo(myFilePath,"FilePath","created","modified","accessed")
--|     get  flcFileInfo(myFilePath,"DataSize","ResourceSize","size")
--|     get  
flcFileInfo(myFilePath,"CreatorType","size","modified","permissions")
--|
--|  Error handling:
--|    File/folder not found - The returned  value is empty
--!    Attribute not supported - The returned  attribute value is "not 
supported"
--|    Attribute not  recognized - The returned attribute value is "not  
recognized"

----------------------------------------------------------------------

function  flcFileInfo
put param(1) into pFilePath
put  
"FilePath,FileName,DataSize,ResourceSize,Size,Created,Modified,Accessed,BackUp,OwnerID,GroupID,Permissions,CreatorType"  into tAttributeList
put there is a file pFilePath into Fflag
if (NOT Fflag AND there is NOT a folder pFilePath) then return ""
set  the itemDel to "/"
put urlEncode(last item of pFilePath) into  tItem
delete last item of pFilePath
put the directory into  tOldDir
set the directory to pFilePath  
if Fflag then  put the detailed files into tDetailedList
else put the detailed  folders into tDetailedList  
set the directory to  tOldDir
set the itemDel to ","
put  lineOffset(cr&tItem&",",cr&tDetailedList) into tLine
put  line tLine of tDetailedList into tDetailedInfo
replace "," with tab in  tDetailedInfo
set the itemDel to tab
put tDetailedInfo into  tFileA["full"]
put urlDecode(item 1 of tDetailedInfo) into  tFileA["fileName"]
put pFilePath&"/"&tFileA["fileName"] into  tFileA["filePath"]
put (item 2 of tDetailedInfo) into  tFileA["DataSize"]
if the platform is "MacOS" then put (item 3 of  tDetailedInfo) into 
tFileA["ResourceSize"]
else put "" into  tFileA["ResourceSize"]
put (item 2 of tDetailedInfo) + (item 3 of  tDetailedInfo) into tFileA["size"]
put  "Created,Modified,Accessed,BackUp" into tDates
replace "," with tab in  tDates
put the twelvehourtime into tTHT
set the  twelvehourtime to FALSE
repeat with x = 4 to 7
put item x of tDetailedInfo into tSecs
if tSecs=0 then put  "not supported" into tSecs
if tSecs is a number then  convert tSecs to long system date and long time
put tSecs  into tFileA[(item x-3 of tDates)]
end repeat
set the  twelvehourtime to tTHT
if (item 8 of tDetailedInfo) <>0 then put  (item 8 of tDetailedInfo) into 
tFileA["OwnerID"]
else put "" into  tFileA["OwnerID"]
if (item 9 of tDetailedInfo) <>0 then put  (item 9 of tDetailedInfo) into 
tFileA["GroupID"]
else put "" into  tFileA["GroupID"]
put (item 10 of tDetailedInfo) && "octal"  &","&&baseConvert(item 10 of 
tDetailedInfo,8,10)&&"decimal"  into tFileA["permissions"] # octal && decimal
put (item 11 of  tDetailedInfo) into tFileA["creatorType"]
set the itemDel to  COMMA
if (the paramCount=1) OR (param(2)="full") OR (param(2)="")  then
repeat with n=1 to num of items of  tAttributeList
put item n of tAttributeList  into L
if tFileA[L]="" then put "not  supported" into tFileA[L]
put L &TAB&  tFileA[L] into line (num of lines of tStdOut)+1 of tStdOut
end repeat
else
repeat with n=2 to the  paramCount
get  tFileA[param(n)]
if param(n) is not in  tAttributeList then put "not recognized" into  it
else if it="" then put "not supported" into  it
put it into line (num of lines of  tStdOut)+1 of tStdOut
end repeat
end  if
if tStdOut="" then return "not recognized"
else return  tStdOut
end flcFileInfo


SOURCE: Hugh Senior, FLCo
 


From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Sun Jul 31 08:58:58 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 08:58:58 -0400
Subject: Font question, which Courier?
In-Reply-To: <146.49942b0f.301d9a1a@aol.com>
References: <146.49942b0f.301d9a1a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <54A9FA5A-A404-4F55-8A9D-E610C313E59F@conncoll.edu>

As far as I've been able to tell, Courier New is more widely  
available than the others. Unfortunately, on Mac -- mine at least --  
as compared with Courier, Courier New is annoyingly light, as in the  
opposite of bold; it looks pale when you put it beside text in other  
fonts. I ended up using an if-block to choose:

   if "Courier" is among the lines of the fontNames then
     put "Courier" into tNewMonoFont
   else
     put "Courier New" into tNewMonoFont
   end if
   . . .
   set the textFont of someStack to tNewMonoFont
   . . .

Charles Hartman



On Jul 30, 2005, at 11:06 PM, SimPLsol at aol.com wrote:

>      Assuming Courier is the only crossplatform monospaced font,  
> which is the
> best to use for a crossplatform stack? There is Courier, Courier  
> CE, and
> Courier New; they all look similar to me. Thanks in advance.
> Paul Looney
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From jbondy at sover.net  Sun Jul 31 08:59:01 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 08:59:01 -0400
Subject: Help, what am I doing wrong???
In-Reply-To: <10918383113.20050730231535@ahsoftware.net>
References: <20050730165945.37016.qmail@web60518.mail.yahoo.com>	<73E917CF-AF48-446C-8107-34172E513808@writeme.com>	<1003948417.20050730191500@ahsoftware.net>	<813F5E0E-DD77-4B97-BD87-CD800559A217@writeme.com>
	<10918383113.20050730231535@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <42ECCB15.3060009@sover.net>

It has been considered a bug, and flagged for the programmer,  in Delphi 
for years.  I don't see how it can be considered anything else.  Now as 
to whether it is a bug that is reported in Rev with an error message, 
that is a different story.

:)

Jon


Mark Wieder wrote:

>Dennis-
>
>Saturday, July 30, 2005, 7:24:58 PM, you wrote:
>
>DB> I would really like to get a real error message since it does not do
>DB> what you expect from reading the code.  How many newbies do we have
>DB> to trip up before we erect a stop sign at that intersection?
>
>DB> Should I BZ it?
>
>I'm not sure it's actually a bug, but it's worth BZing just to keep it
>on the rev team's radar, since it's a stumbling block that everyone
>runs across at some time or other.
>
>  
>


From afonseca at ispgrm.rimed.cu  Sun Jul 31 09:54:15 2005
From: afonseca at ispgrm.rimed.cu (Yoel)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:54:15 -0400
Subject: Screen Resolution
Message-ID: <001f01c595d7$5687e120$7800a8c0@yoel>

Hi everyone:

Can anybody tell me how can I change the screen resolution through a script?

Thanks

From alex at tweedly.net  Sun Jul 31 10:13:08 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:13:08 +0100
Subject: ANN: Sudoku Assistant
In-Reply-To: <p06200707bf11d53c1d78@[69.19.167.140]>
References: <20050730111003.18860825342@mail.runrev.com>
	<p06200707bf11d53c1d78@[69.19.167.140]>
Message-ID: <42ECDC74.8050502@tweedly.net>

Jim Hurley wrote:

> Alex,
>
> Thanks for the puzzle. Lots of fun. Dell Crosswords has a full page of 
> these every month, though none as tough a your last. They generally 
> are deterministic all the way to the end. Your number four requires 
> assuming a solution at one point near the end and discovering a 
> contradiction if the guess was wrong--proof by contradiction.

No, it doesn't require that. There's a perfectly deterministic technique 
that can solve puzzle #4 - I'll append a brief description of  it to the 
end of this message - but beware it uses puzzle #4 to demonstrate it, so 
don't read all the way to the end unless you want to read that ...

> (I must confess that the labels make it more difficult for me--harder 
> to see what is filled in and what isn't.)
>
Sorry Jim I'm not sure I follow - do you mean you'd prefer to have blank 
squares for every space that has not yet been determined (rather than 
the set of possible values) ?   That would seem to me much less helpful 
- but I'll try it and see how it looks.

> I am interested in what algorithm is used under the "Auto" button.
>
Code is all there for you to look at :-)
But all it does is look at each square in turn, and if it already knows 
that there is only a single value possible, then it removes that value 
from the rest of the square's row,col and 3x3 square.   It could repeat 
that scan (very occasionally you can find a case where a square has been 
already examined while multiple values were possible, and which reduces 
to a single one, and is required to complete the puzzle) - but it 
doesn't even do that.

> If you also enjoy Cryptogram puzzles, I have one which retrieves 4 
> quotes from the web every day and encodes them for your decoding 
> pleasure. It is my daily diagnostic tool to reveal the onset of 
> senility. You can take a look at:
>
>      go stack url 
> "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/DailyCryptoquote.rev"
>
> It's a 450k file. It contains a dictionary for a decoder utility.

Thanks Jim. I'll take a look at that - though I'm more likely to write a 
stack to solve them than I am to do it myself.

I have not yet found any "puzzle" that is more challenging or 
stimulating that programming.







scroll beyond here only if you want to read solving techniques  ....








In Puzzle #4, assuming you've hit the "Auto" button (or worked through 
yourself to the point where all single-valued squares have been used to 
eliminate their peers), you are left with a number of possibilities.

Look at squares 8,7 and 8,9. They both contain only two possibilities 1 
and 6. And they are both in the same column.
One of them must contain one of the two values, and the other must 
contain the other value.

Therefore no other square in column 8 can contain either 1 or 6.

This allows us to (deterministically - no guessing) eliminate "6" from 
the set of possible values for square 8,2 - leaving only a single value 
of 8.   Fill that in and you're done.

There is another such "common pair" in squares 9,2 and 9,3 - which 
allows you to eliminate the value 5 from 9,7  - but there are still 
multiple values left.

However - this allows yet another technique.  The bottom right square 
now has only two places were the 5 can go - 7,7 and 7,9; since they are 
both in col 7, we know that the 5 in col 7 is in one or other of those 
places - i.e. it is in the lower, right 3x3 square. Therefore, it can be 
eliminated from 7,2 - leaving only 6 or 8 to go there.

That is now a common pair 7,2 and 8,2 have either 6 or 8.  So eliminate 
the 8 from 6,2 leaving only 5 to go there, and you make a substantial 
step forward. Although you're not yet done, it's straight forward from 
then on.

-- 
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sun Jul 31 10:27:55 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:27:55 +0200
Subject: [ANN] Managing Answer Dialogs Tutorial Enhanced 
Message-ID: <2BE995F7-F70F-44C9-B94C-4E8968ECB1AE@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi all,

Stephen Barncard kindly requested that the HTML code builder which is  
included in the "Managing Answer Dialogs" tutorial might handle not  
only text styles but fonts and sizes too.
In addition, he pointed out that the code builder did not handle  
prompts where quotes were inserted.
He was so right that you will see an orange dot before this tutorial  
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updated since your last visit :-)

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From jhurley at infostations.com  Sun Jul 31 10:51:55 2005
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 07:51:55 -0700
Subject: Full justification
In-Reply-To: <20050731052525.4D58E8253C9@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050731052525.4D58E8253C9@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p06200701bf128ae2ca9d@[69.19.167.140]>

>
>Message: 11
>Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 22:27:43 -0500
>From: Ken Ray <kray at sonsothunder.com>
>Subject: Re: Full justification
>To: Use Revolution List <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>Message-ID: <BF11AF5F.26D58%kray at sonsothunder.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"
>
>On 7/30/05 9:06 AM, "Jim Hurley" <jhurley at infostations.com> wrote:
>
>>  Perhaps another way to approach the problem of full justification for
>>  non-proportional fonts is to insert spaces whose width is set to 1
>>  point.
>>
>>  It turns out that the formatted width of the 2 point space character,
>>  with the points size set to 2 pts, (at least in Times font)  is 1
>>  point. (Pardon the dual use of the word "point.")
>>
>>  If the width needed to fill in the line, so that the text is also
>>  right-justified, is say N points, then one might distribute N spaces
>>  between intervening words (each insert is one point in width.)
>>
>>  (I ran into one of the few instances where recursion is truly
>>  useful--beside fractals and the Tower of Hanoi.)
>>
>>  To see this try (in the message box):
>>
>>  go stack url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/JustifyText.rev"
>
>Nicely done, Jim! Now is there was some way to determine the number of
>points needed based on different fonts and sizes, we could have a general
>purpose justification routine!
>
>
>Ken Ray
>Sons of Thunder Software
>Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
>Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
>
>

Ken,

Thanks.

I am having trouble getting Run Rev to change the textfont by script. 
If one types into the msg box: "set the textfont of field 1 to 
"courier", nothing happens. Maybe it is necessary to first "select" 
the text?

I would like to be able to script:

put the textfont of field 1 into tFont
set the textfont of field 2 to tFont

But that doesn't work.

In all those instances where I have been able to get the text fonts 
the same for the two fields, the justification algorithm works just 
fine. I am justifiably pleased.

But I need to find a faithful way to get the two fields to agree. I 
am leery of making changes to the original text and applying the 
results to that field. The text is changed with the added (one point 
textsize) spaces. Maybe I'll put  the original text into a custom 
property. Maybe I'll ask the script to clone the original field.

Jim



>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 12
>Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:17:55 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Alejandro Tejada <capellan2000 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: Full justification
>To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>Message-ID: <20050731041755.76016.qmail at web40511.mail.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>Hi Jim,
>
>on Sat, 30 Jul 2005
>Jim Hurley wrote:
>
>>  go stack url
>>"http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/JustifyText.rev"
>
>Jim, this is an excellent example of the problems
>that were pointed in this list, while trying to
>full justify a text field.
>
>If i copy this justified text field, all the extras
>spaces are carried with the text. :-o
>
>A handler or function that clean up the text in the
>clipboard, before pasting it, could make this
>justify handler transparent to the users. ;-)
>
>Thanks a lot for posting this stack!
>Have a nice weekend
>
>al
>


Al,

The problem with copy and paste is that it doesn't faithfully retain 
all the text properties. It would be best to apply the algorithm 
directly to the field of interest rather than paste from another 
utility field.

And the text is changed with my algorithm--extra spaces are inserted 
and they have to retain their text size, in my case that is 3, in 
order to preserve full justification.

I think what is necessary is a plug-in with a drag and drop facility. 
It should also take the original text, without the added spaces, and 
put it into a custom property so that you would be able to retrieve 
the original text if things didn't work out.  You would need that for 
protection.

Right now I am having trouble with Rev's textfont function.

Jim


From jhurley at infostations.com  Sun Jul 31 11:00:50 2005
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 08:00:50 -0700
Subject: Full justification
Message-ID: <p06200702bf12976ebb61@[69.19.167.209]>

P.S. To my previous post.

Re: Restoring original text

It would be a trivial task to restore the original text by deleting 
all multiple space sequences and replace them with a single 
space--unless the original already contained desirable, multiple 
spaces.


From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Sun Jul 31 11:17:40 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 11:17:40 -0400
Subject: Full justification
In-Reply-To: <20050731041755.76016.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050731041755.76016.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <c69071b683d18421c6989de6ac6f0c7e@adelphia.net>

This will take care of the extra spaces just create another button and 
put this in it:


on mouseUp
   repeat for each word theword in field "field"
     put theword & space after field "flush"
   end repeat
   beep
end mouseUp

Then copy the text from field "field"


Tom

On Jul 31, 2005, at 12:17 AM, Alejandro Tejada wrote:

> Hi Jim,
>
> on Sat, 30 Jul 2005
> Jim Hurley wrote:
>
>> go stack url
>> "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/JustifyText.rev"
>
> Jim, this is an excellent example of the problems
> that were pointed in this list, while trying to
> full justify a text field.
>
> If i copy this justified text field, all the extras
> spaces are carried with the text. :-o
>
> A handler or function that clean up the text in the
> clipboard, before pasting it, could make this
> justify handler transparent to the users. ;-)
>
> Thanks a lot for posting this stack!
> Have a nice weekend
>
> al
>
>
> Visit my site:
> http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/
>
>
> 		
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2.6


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From alex at tweedly.net  Sun Jul 31 11:29:01 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:29:01 +0100
Subject: Full justification
In-Reply-To: <c69071b683d18421c6989de6ac6f0c7e@adelphia.net>
References: <20050731041755.76016.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com>
	<c69071b683d18421c6989de6ac6f0c7e@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <42ECEE3D.90501@tweedly.net>

Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> This will take care of the extra spaces just create another button and 
> put this in it:
>
>
> on mouseUp
>   repeat for each word theword in field "field"
>     put theword & space after field "flush"
>   end repeat
>   beep
> end mouseUp
>
Won't that get confused by CRs and TABs (which are word boundary 
characters) and double-quoted strings (which are a single word, even if 
they contain spaces) ?

-- 
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From simplsol at aol.com  Sun Jul 31 11:54:21 2005
From: simplsol at aol.com (simplsol at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 11:54:21 -0400
Subject: Font question, which Courier?
In-Reply-To: <54A9FA5A-A404-4F55-8A9D-E610C313E59F@conncoll.edu>
References: <146.49942b0f.301d9a1a@aol.com>
	<54A9FA5A-A404-4F55-8A9D-E610C313E59F@conncoll.edu>
Message-ID: <8C763FF4053C77F-9AC-F6CC@FWM-R44.sysops.aol.com>

Charles,
Thank you.
That was very helpful, especially the script.
Paul Looney

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Hartman <charles.hartman at conncoll.edu>
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 08:58:58 -0400
Subject: Re: Font question, which Courier?

    As far as I've been able to tell, Courier New is more widely 
available than the others. Unfortunately, on Mac -- mine at least -- as 
compared with Courier, Courier New is annoyingly light, as in the 
opposite of bold; it looks pale when you put it beside text in other 
fonts. I ended up using an if-block to choose:?
?
 ? if "Courier" is among the lines of the fontNames then?
 ? put "Courier" into tNewMonoFont?
 ? else?
 ? put "Courier New" into tNewMonoFont?
 ? end if?
 ? . . .?
 ? set the textFont of someStack to tNewMonoFont?
 ? . . .?
?
 Charles Hartman?
?
 ?
 On Jul 30, 2005, at 11:06 PM, SimPLsol at aol.com wrote:?
?
  > Assuming Courier is the only crossplatform monospaced font, > which 
is the?
  > best to use for a crossplatform stack? There is Courier, Courier > 
CE, and?
 > Courier New; they all look similar to me. Thanks in advance.?
 > Paul Looney?
 > _______________________________________________?
 > use-revolution mailing list?
 > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com?
  > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > 
subscription preferences:?
 > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution?
 >?
?
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From jhurley at infostations.com  Sun Jul 31 11:58:06 2005
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 08:58:06 -0700
Subject: ANN: Sudoku Assistant
In-Reply-To: <20050731145024.95487825409@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050731145024.95487825409@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p06200703bf129ce00213@[69.19.167.209]>

>
>Message: 14
>Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:13:08 +0100
>From: Alex Tweedly <alex at tweedly.net>
>Subject: Re: ANN: Sudoku Assistant
>To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>Message-ID: <42ECDC74.8050502 at tweedly.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Jim Hurley wrote:
>
>>  Alex,
>>
>>  Thanks for the puzzle. Lots of fun. Dell Crosswords has a full page of
>>  these every month, though none as tough a your last. They generally
>>  are deterministic all the way to the end. Your number four requires
>>  assuming a solution at one point near the end and discovering a
>>  contradiction if the guess was wrong--proof by contradiction.
>
>No, it doesn't require that. There's a perfectly deterministic technique
>that can solve puzzle #4 - I'll append a brief description of  it to the
>end of this message - but beware it uses puzzle #4 to demonstrate it, so
>don't read all the way to the end unless you want to read that ...

  I used the wrong word when I said "deterministic." What I should 
have said was that puzzle 4 requires a *two* stage decision making 
process. In the simpler puzzles at each step there is always one 
square in which there is obviously only one possibility--a one stage 
decision making process.

In the fourth puzzle I reach a point where there is no square which 
would allow only one character. But if I put one character in this 
square then I will run into a contraction at a later stage. But if I 
put another character into the square, I will be able to obtain a 
unique solution. As you say, this is still a deterministic solution, 
but a two stage deterministic process. Sorry for the poor description 
of what I was trying to say.

>  > (I must confess that the labels make it more difficult for me--harder
>>  to see what is filled in and what isn't.)
>>
>Sorry Jim I'm not sure I follow - do you mean you'd prefer to have blank
>squares for every space that has not yet been determined (rather than
>the set of possible values) ?   That would seem to me much less helpful
>- but I'll try it and see how it looks.


Yes. In fact I copied the puzzle to Photoshop  and erased all the 
labels and printed the image. Maybe this would be a possible 
preference?

>
>>  I am interested in what algorithm is used under the "Auto" button.
>  >
>Code is all there for you to look at :-)
>But all it does is look at each square in turn, and if it already knows
>that there is only a single value possible, then it removes that value
>from the rest of the square's row,col and 3x3 square.   It could repeat
>that scan (very occasionally you can find a case where a square has been
>already examined while multiple values were possible, and which reduces
>to a single one, and is required to complete the puzzle) - but it
doesn't even do that.

I'll have to look at this again. It doesn't seem to complete all one 
stage decisions. For example, after completing the Auto, it is clear 
that the box in the second row, fifth column must be a 1. I suspect 
my problem is that I don't understand the significance of the labels. 
Life is full of things I don't understand.

>
>  > If you also enjoy Cryptogram puzzles, I have one which retrieves 4
>>  quotes from the web every day and encodes them for your decoding
>>  pleasure. It is my daily diagnostic tool to reveal the onset of
>>  senility. You can take a look at:
>>
>>       go stack url
>>  "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/DailyCryptoquote.rev"
>>
>>  It's a 450k file. It contains a dictionary for a decoder utility.
>
>Thanks Jim. I'll take a look at that - though I'm more likely to write a
>stack to solve them than I am to do it myself.
>
>I have not yet found any "puzzle" that is more challenging or
>stimulating that programming.

I think this is what keeps many of  us going.

Jim


From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Sun Jul 31 12:11:48 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 12:11:48 -0400
Subject: Font question, which Courier?
In-Reply-To: <8C763FF4053C77F-9AC-F6CC@FWM-R44.sysops.aol.com>
References: <146.49942b0f.301d9a1a@aol.com>
	<54A9FA5A-A404-4F55-8A9D-E610C313E59F@conncoll.edu>
	<8C763FF4053C77F-9AC-F6CC@FWM-R44.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <73F0E40D-9E35-42A0-A38D-DDEE3CB92A38@conncoll.edu>

You're certainly welcome. There are more pitfalls in this vicinity,  
by the way -- that is, if you're trying to change fonts in a stack  
(and especially substacks!) at runtime. I've worked out some more  
script stuff for this if you want it.

Charles


On Jul 31, 2005, at 11:54 AM, simplsol at aol.com wrote:

> Charles,
> Thank you.
> That was very helpful, especially the script.
> Paul Looney

Charles Hartman
Professor of English, Poet in Residence
Connecticut College
charles.hartman at conncoll.edu
*the Scandroid* is at cherry.conncoll.edu/cohar/Programs.htm




From douggilliland at gmail.com  Sun Jul 31 12:36:59 2005
From: douggilliland at gmail.com (Douglas Gilliland)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 12:36:59 -0400
Subject: Flashing numbers added to Number Picker stack.
In-Reply-To: <890e3d2605072714286adbf467@mail.gmail.com>
References: <890e3d2605072713281feef3bb@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050727203608.85114.qmail@web60523.mail.yahoo.com>
	<890e3d2605072714286adbf467@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <890e3d26050731093655cc593f@mail.gmail.com>

One more question - if it's not asking too much.
Sometimes I want a number, once it is selected, to be taken out of
circulation. Is there a short script to add that will do this? I have
searched all the resources but cannot find anything that explains how
to do this.
Thanks.
Doug Gilliland
Sarasota, FL

On 7/27/05, Douglas Gilliland <douggilliland at gmail.com> wrote:
> Jan,
> It works even better than I thought it would.
> Thanks for the quick script - it is greatly appreciated.
> Doug Gilliland
> Sarasota, FL
> 
> 
> On 7/27/05, Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > --- Douglas Gilliland <douggilliland at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I just finished a small stack to select my 9th grade
> > > chemistry
> > > students (sitting at numbered lab tables) at random.
> > > I have 25
> > > students and used the following script to select one
> > > at random, then
> > > speak that number:
> > >
> > > on mouseUp
> > >   put random (25) into field "field1"
> > >  revsetspeechvoice "ralph"
> > >   revspeak field "field1"
> > >   wait 4 sec
> > >   put empty into field "field1"
> > > end mouseUp
> > >
> > > To add a little flair, I would like numbers to
> > > quickly flash on the
> > > screen for one or two seconds before it stops at the
> > > random number.
> > > Looked through the documentation but found nothing.
> > > Any suggestions? I don't need it if it is too
> > > difficult but thought I
> > > would ask. I'm too new to Revolution to know how
> > > much it involves.
> > > Doug Gilliland
> > >
> >
> > Hi Doug,
> >
> > Here's a quick idea:
> > --
> > on mouseUp
> >   ## show some numbers during 2 seconds
> >   repeat 10 times
> >     put random (25) into field "field1"
> >     wait 200 milliseconds
> >   end repeat
> >   ## now the code you already had
> >   put random (25) into field "field1"
> >   revsetspeechvoice "ralph"
> >   revspeak field "field1"
> >   wait 4 sec
> >   put empty into field "field1"
> > end mouseUp
> > --
> >
> > Hope this helped,
> >
> > Jan Schenkel.
> >
> > Quartam - Tools for Revolution
> > <http://www.quartam.com>
> >
> > =====
> > "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)
> >
> >
> >
> > ____________________________________________________
> > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page
> > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
> >
> >
>


From docmann at gmail.com  Sun Jul 31 12:42:41 2005
From: docmann at gmail.com (docmann)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 11:42:41 -0500
Subject: Video tutorials - OS X
In-Reply-To: <BF119DBF.DCB8%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
References: <BF119DBF.DCB8%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
Message-ID: <42ECFF81.4080603@gmail.com>

 >Mark wrote:
 >Why don't I get video with the Rev OnLine tutorials in OS X 10.4?   
Only audio.
 >This has probably been covered... but is there an easy answer?

Don't know if this is any help, but I just installed the Dreamcard trial 
on  my new mac-mini (my first mac!). Even after installing the required 
codec, the first video I tried still would not play. However, shutting 
down and restarting the Dreamcard app solved the problem completely. 
Apparently, the codec is read an initialized by Rev and DC when they 
start up.

......

 >Bill wrote:

>I noticed that the video tutorials take so long to download when you are >on a dial-up connection that sometimes just the sound plays.


The good news here is that the downloaded video is cached on the HD, so 
the next time you need it there isn't a download involved. :)

HTH,
-Doc-


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sun Jul 31 12:54:19 2005
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 18:54:19 +0200
Subject: Lack of Feedback [was: OT:ANN:WTF:WOAH Factor]
In-Reply-To: <20050730184338.85E018253AC@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050730184338.85E018253AC@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <8052DD70-5CE1-41FB-8463-276AD1CCD066@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Xavier,

Le 30 juil. 05 ? 20:55, MisterX a ?crit :

> the lack of feedback makes me really not happy to
> release it...

So I'm going to tell you a tiny story:
Since last February when I open my website, I can count downloads:

. 1912 plugins
. 1571 tutorials
. 194 "patch" stacks
. 363 HC packs

How many feedback mails?
My fingers are enough to count them.
So, take heart!
Lack of feedback (even if it would be welcome: we all need to have  
our heart warmed :-) don't mean anything...

I *love* your maverick mind: keep going!
You are much more useful to this community than you seem to think.
Some bring coding solutions, you bring the spirit.

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From alex at tweedly.net  Sun Jul 31 13:11:58 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 18:11:58 +0100
Subject: ANN: Sudoku Assistant
In-Reply-To: <p06200703bf129ce00213@[69.19.167.209]>
References: <20050731145024.95487825409@mail.runrev.com>
	<p06200703bf129ce00213@[69.19.167.209]>
Message-ID: <42ED065E.3090207@tweedly.net>

Jim Hurley wrote:

>>>
>>>  Thanks for the puzzle. Lots of fun. Dell Crosswords has a full page of
>>>  these every month, though none as tough a your last. They generally
>>>  are deterministic all the way to the end. Your number four requires
>>>  assuming a solution at one point near the end and discovering a
>>>  contradiction if the guess was wrong--proof by contradiction.
>>
>>  Alex,
>>
>> No, it doesn't require that. There's a perfectly deterministic technique
>> that can solve puzzle #4 - I'll append a brief description of  it to the
>> end of this message - but beware it uses puzzle #4 to demonstrate it, so
>> don't read all the way to the end unless you want to read that ...
>
>
>  I used the wrong word when I said "deterministic." What I should have 
> said was that puzzle 4 requires a *two* stage decision making process. 
> In the simpler puzzles at each step there is always one square in 
> which there is obviously only one possibility--a one stage decision 
> making process.
>
> In the fourth puzzle I reach a point where there is no square which 
> would allow only one character. But if I put one character in this 
> square then I will run into a contraction at a later stage. But if I 
> put another character into the square, I will be able to obtain a 
> unique solution. As you say, this is still a deterministic solution, 
> but a two stage deterministic process. Sorry for the poor description 
> of what I was trying to say.
>
But my (perhaps hard to follow) description at the tail end of the other 
email shows that you don't need to try one then the other - you can use 
the knowledge from two squares to eliminate a possibility from a third 
square. It's kind of a two-stage deduction - but you don't need to try 
one thing and then another.

>>  > (I must confess that the labels make it more difficult for me--harder
>>
>>>  to see what is filled in and what isn't.)
>>>
>> Sorry Jim I'm not sure I follow - do you mean you'd prefer to have blank
>> squares for every space that has not yet been determined (rather than
>> the set of possible values) ?   That would seem to me much less helpful
>> - but I'll try it and see how it looks.
>
>
>
> Yes. In fact I copied the puzzle to Photoshop  and erased all the 
> labels and printed the image. Maybe this would be a possible preference?
>
Rather than a preference, I made it a button "Hide uncompleted" or "Show 
uncompleted" so you can toggle between the two modes while working 
through a puzzle.

Now available on RevOnline (ver 1.2)

>>
>>>  I am interested in what algorithm is used under the "Auto" button.
>>
>>  >
>> Code is all there for you to look at :-)
>> But all it does is look at each square in turn, and if it already knows
>> that there is only a single value possible, then it removes that value
>> from the rest of the square's row,col and 3x3 square.   It could repeat
>> that scan (very occasionally you can find a case where a square has been
>> already examined while multiple values were possible, and which reduces
>> to a single one, and is required to complete the puzzle) - but it
>
> doesn't even do that.
>
> I'll have to look at this again. It doesn't seem to complete all one 
> stage decisions. For example, after completing the Auto, it is clear 
> that the box in the second row, fifth column must be a 1. I suspect my 
> problem is that I don't understand the significance of the labels. 
> Life is full of things I don't understand.
>
It doesn't do all "one-stage" decisions. In each square it has a list of 
possible values - so for a blank puzzle, each square can still have any 
of the 9 digits. When you load a puzzle, some squares are changed to 
have a single digit. Clicking on such a square (or specifying a value 
for another square) causes the specified digit to be removed from all 
"peers" of the square (i.e. in the same row, col or 3x3). Auto simply 
applies that to all squares in turn.

The fact that square 5,2 "must" be a one (because there are no other 
squares in its 3x3 which still have one as a possible value) would 
require deduction - and my idea for the assistant was that it can do the 
"mechanical" part for you, and leave the user to do the deductions. 

Anyway - that's *why* it doesn't do that particular square for you. 
Would be easy enough to add a button to do that kind of simple deduction 
... be my guest :-)

The scripting for this puzzle isn't great (when I wrote it I didn't 
intend to give it to anyone else, so it's certainly not carefully 
written as I would do for a tutorial, or a product), but it's not 
terrible either. Dive in ....



-- 
Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net



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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Jul 31 13:20:14 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 10:20:14 -0700
Subject: Help, what am I doing wrong???
In-Reply-To: <42ECCB15.3060009@sover.net>
References: <20050730165945.37016.qmail@web60518.mail.yahoo.com>
	<73E917CF-AF48-446C-8107-34172E513808@writeme.com>
	<1003948417.20050730191500@ahsoftware.net>
	<813F5E0E-DD77-4B97-BD87-CD800559A217@writeme.com>
	<10918383113.20050730231535@ahsoftware.net>
	<42ECCB15.3060009@sover.net>
Message-ID: <1533551646.20050731102014@ahsoftware.net>

Jon-

Sunday, July 31, 2005, 5:59:01 AM, you wrote:

J> It has been considered a bug, and flagged for the programmer,  in Delphi
J> for years.  I don't see how it can be considered anything else. Now as
J> to whether it is a bug that is reported in Rev with an error message,
J> that is a different story.

I wasn't aware that Delphi even *had* a "for each" element construct,
but then I haven't kept up with Delphi since v6.0 or so. Now that I've
googled it, I see that Borland added foreach support to Delphi 2005.
The documentation, though, clearly states that the loop indices are
provided as read-only references only and cannot be modified. Works
the same way in C#, in case you're interested.

Since this is a brand-new addition to Delphi, I'm not sure what you're
referring to in "has been considered a bug...for years". Nor how this
can be considered a bug, since it's clearly documented.

Personally, I prefer either the Perl or PHP implementations, where
you're free to use and modify the element since it's separate from the
loop index. Messing with a loop index is always a Bad Idea.
Interestingly, in Perl changing the loop element changes the original
referenced element, while in PHP the original value is unchanged.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From joel.guillod at net2000.ch  Sun Jul 31 14:07:57 2005
From: joel.guillod at net2000.ch (Joel Guillod)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 20:07:57 +0200
Subject: Spotlight indexing: feature request proposal
In-Reply-To: <20050731052525.7D2CE8253E9@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050731052525.7D2CE8253E9@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <AAB708A5-BB33-4CB4-B4EA-D0D8DD703EAB@net2000.ch>

As far as I understand the indexing of stacks by Spotlight (MacOSX),  
scripts only are used as the text to index. Of course this is of very  
high value for developers and I am willing this feature. But on the  
other side it could impair security if the password of the stack has  
not been set (what I never do, at least during development cycle).  
Also indexing the content of fields would be also very usefull (even  
more than scripts for content management stacks). Do you agree? I am  
considering to fill a request feature in bz and would like to get  
user's feedback first. So please tell me more what you think about  
this idea:

I propose the addition of two new stack properties for telling  
Spotlight how to index stacks:
- the <spotlightScript> of this stack: if true the scripts of the  
stack is indexed by Spotlight. If false, no script indexing is done  
for the stack.
- the <spotlightText> of this stack: if true the content of fields  
and titles of objects are indexed by Spotlight. If false, objects  
content indexing is not done for the stack.
By default both properties are true (i.e. when the stack is created).  
When creating a substack, its spotlight properties are default to the  
value of its mainstack but they can be changed independantly from the  
mainstack.

Nice to read your coming comments.

jg


From charles.hartman at conncoll.edu  Sun Jul 31 14:14:05 2005
From: charles.hartman at conncoll.edu (Charles Hartman)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 14:14:05 -0400
Subject: Help, what am I doing wrong???
In-Reply-To: <1533551646.20050731102014@ahsoftware.net>
References: <20050730165945.37016.qmail@web60518.mail.yahoo.com>
	<73E917CF-AF48-446C-8107-34172E513808@writeme.com>
	<1003948417.20050730191500@ahsoftware.net>
	<813F5E0E-DD77-4B97-BD87-CD800559A217@writeme.com>
	<10918383113.20050730231535@ahsoftware.net>
	<42ECCB15.3060009@sover.net>
	<1533551646.20050731102014@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <DECB376F-F7BA-4A78-B208-3FE1E5E735BE@conncoll.edu>

In Python, too, you can change the loop variable; but every time  
execution goes back to the top of the loop, the variable takes on the  
next value it _would have_ taken, no matter what you've done to it in  
the meantime. (If I remember right.) Kind of a handy combination --  
as long as you remember how it works. But this proviso presumably  
applies to _any_ implementation of loop variables, except one that  
relieves your memory of the burden by raising an error if you even  
try to change the variable. That's safest, but kind of . . .  
paternalistic, yes?

Charles


On Jul 31, 2005, at 1:20 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Jon-
>
> Sunday, July 31, 2005, 5:59:01 AM, you wrote:
>
> J> It has been considered a bug, and flagged for the programmer,   
> in Delphi
> J> for years.  I don't see how it can be considered anything else.  
> Now as
> J> to whether it is a bug that is reported in Rev with an error  
> message,
> J> that is a different story.
>
> I wasn't aware that Delphi even *had* a "for each" element construct,
> but then I haven't kept up with Delphi since v6.0 or so. Now that I've
> googled it, I see that Borland added foreach support to Delphi 2005.
> The documentation, though, clearly states that the loop indices are
> provided as read-only references only and cannot be modified. Works
> the same way in C#, in case you're interested.
>
> Since this is a brand-new addition to Delphi, I'm not sure what you're
> referring to in "has been considered a bug...for years". Nor how this
> can be considered a bug, since it's clearly documented.
>
> Personally, I prefer either the Perl or PHP implementations, where
> you're free to use and modify the element since it's separate from the
> loop index. Messing with a loop index is always a Bad Idea.
> Interestingly, in Perl changing the loop element changes the original
> referenced element, while in PHP the original value is unchanged.
>
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Jul 31 14:27:10 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 11:27:10 -0700
Subject: OT: SysAdmin appreciation
Message-ID: <1287566830.20050731112710@ahsoftware.net>

All-

The last Friday in July is System Administrator Appreciation Day:

http://www.sysadminday.com/Time.htm

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From curry at pair.com  Sun Jul 31 14:36:59 2005
From: curry at pair.com (curry)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 13:36:59 -0500
Subject: Screen Resolution
In-Reply-To: <20050731145024.95487825409@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050731145024.95487825409@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a06210200bf12c893ef78@[69.242.146.209]>


I've seen people berated for asking this question, because others assume it will not be done responsibly on the Mac, which can have some side effects. (So, best to either let the user choose whether to change, or do something like kill the finder ??? or whatever it is they do to avoid the side effects.) On PC, of course, it's common.

I think this is always a good question, and I would also like to know what are the best ways currently, for PC and for Mac.

Curry

--

>Hi everyone:
>
>Can anybody tell me how can I change the screen resolution through a script?
>
>Thanks


From jbondy at sover.net  Sun Jul 31 15:15:53 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:15:53 -0400
Subject: Help, what am I doing wrong???
In-Reply-To: <1533551646.20050731102014@ahsoftware.net>
References: <20050730165945.37016.qmail@web60518.mail.yahoo.com>	<73E917CF-AF48-446C-8107-34172E513808@writeme.com>	<1003948417.20050730191500@ahsoftware.net>	<813F5E0E-DD77-4B97-BD87-CD800559A217@writeme.com>	<10918383113.20050730231535@ahsoftware.net>	<42ECCB15.3060009@sover.net>
	<1533551646.20050731102014@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <42ED2369.7070001@sover.net>

Mark:

The point I was TRYING to make <grin> was that FOR loop variables 1) had 
to be declared locally; and 2) could not be modified inside a loop.  I 
was trying to make a general case for this kind of a definition of an 
"error". 

:)

Jon


Mark Wieder wrote:

>Jon-
>
>Sunday, July 31, 2005, 5:59:01 AM, you wrote:
>
>J> It has been considered a bug, and flagged for the programmer,  in Delphi
>J> for years.  I don't see how it can be considered anything else. Now as
>J> to whether it is a bug that is reported in Rev with an error message,
>J> that is a different story.
>
>I wasn't aware that Delphi even *had* a "for each" element construct,
>but then I haven't kept up with Delphi since v6.0 or so. Now that I've
>googled it, I see that Borland added foreach support to Delphi 2005.
>The documentation, though, clearly states that the loop indices are
>provided as read-only references only and cannot be modified. Works
>the same way in C#, in case you're interested.
>
>Since this is a brand-new addition to Delphi, I'm not sure what you're
>referring to in "has been considered a bug...for years". Nor how this
>can be considered a bug, since it's clearly documented.
>
>Personally, I prefer either the Perl or PHP implementations, where
>you're free to use and modify the element since it's separate from the
>loop index. Messing with a loop index is always a Bad Idea.
>Interestingly, in Perl changing the loop element changes the original
>referenced element, while in PHP the original value is unchanged.
>
>  
>


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Jul 31 15:16:29 2005
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 12:16:29 -0700
Subject: Help, what am I doing wrong???
In-Reply-To: <1533551646.20050731102014@ahsoftware.net>
References: <20050730165945.37016.qmail@web60518.mail.yahoo.com>	<73E917CF-AF48-446C-8107-34172E513808@writeme.com>	<1003948417.20050730191500@ahsoftware.net>	<813F5E0E-DD77-4B97-BD87-CD800559A217@writeme.com>	<10918383113.20050730231535@ahsoftware.net>	<42ECCB15.3060009@sover.net>
	<1533551646.20050731102014@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <42ED238D.5090207@fourthworld.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:
> I wasn't aware that Delphi even *had* a "for each" element construct,

That's part of Pascal, no?

I may just be getting old....

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From Cubist at aol.com  Sun Jul 31 16:04:08 2005
From: Cubist at aol.com (Cubist at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:04:08 EDT
Subject: Flashing numbers added to Number Picker stack.
Message-ID: <203.6c16065.301e88b8@aol.com>

sez douggilliland at gmail.com:
>One more question - if it's not asking too much.
>Sometimes I want a number, once it is selected, to be taken out of
>circulation. Is there a short script to add that will do this? I have
>searched all the resources but cannot find anything that explains how
>to do this.
   Try something like this:

local WhatzLeft

on MakeList DerNumber
  -- call this function when you want to generate a pool of numbers
  --
  -- it assumes DerNumber is a positive integer, so watch what you feed it

  put "" into Rezult
  repeat with K1 = 1 to DerNumber
    put K1 into item K1 of Rezult
  end repeat
  put Rezult into WhatzLeft
end MakeList

function PickOne
  put the number of items in WhatzLeft into PoolSize
  if PoolSize = 0 then
    return "Hey! Doofus! You ain't got nuttin' left!"
  else
    put the random of PoolSize into Fred
    put item Fred of WhatzLeft into Rezult
    delete item Fred of WhatzLeft
    return Rezult
  end if
end PickOne

   Hope this helps...


From see3d at writeme.com  Sun Jul 31 16:45:53 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:45:53 -0400
Subject: Help, what am I doing wrong??? --resolution BZ
In-Reply-To: <10918383113.20050730231535@ahsoftware.net>
References: <20050730165945.37016.qmail@web60518.mail.yahoo.com>
	<73E917CF-AF48-446C-8107-34172E513808@writeme.com>
	<1003948417.20050730191500@ahsoftware.net>
	<813F5E0E-DD77-4B97-BD87-CD800559A217@writeme.com>
	<10918383113.20050730231535@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <36FCAD81-8FAF-4A25-B4B1-347CFAD3C58D@writeme.com>

Ok folks,

I BZ'd this issue for the Rev team to take note of.  If you want to  
second this, you can send a vote it's way.
Thanks to all for the discussion and helping me understand the problem.

Dennis
----------

http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=3036

            Summary: Repeat for each errors in IDE
            Product: Revolution
            Version: 2.6
           Platform: All
         OS/Version: All
             Status: UNCONFIRMED
           Severity: enhancement
           Priority: P2
          Component: Script compiler
         AssignedTo: engineteam at runrev.com
         ReportedBy: see3d at writeme.com
          QAContact: enginebugs at lists.runrev.com


The repeat for each construct behaves in a way that trips up just  
about everyone
eventually and can be very hard to debug.  If the labelVariable is  
modified inside
the loop, the data from the container is somehow trashed also.  To  
make matters
worse, when steping through the script in the debugger, the data from  
the container
is not trashed, and the loop works perfectly.  So the code "reads"  
right, and in
the debugger works right, but under normal operation, it does not  
work.  This can
be very frustrating to debug.

I propose that since the labelVariable must be treated as a read only  
quantity
inside the loop (for any useful script), that an error message be  
generated by the
script compiler when an attempt to modify the labelVariable is  
detected.  If this
is too hard, then fix the runtime package so that the contents of the  
labelVariable
can be modified without messing up the next repeat value.

Dennis

----------
Posted by RevZilla 2.0.3

On Jul 31, 2005, at 2:15 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Dennis-
>
> Saturday, July 30, 2005, 7:24:58 PM, you wrote:
>
> DB> I would really like to get a real error message since it does  
> not do
> DB> what you expect from reading the code.  How many newbies do we  
> have
> DB> to trip up before we erect a stop sign at that intersection?
>
> DB> Should I BZ it?
>
> I'm not sure it's actually a bug, but it's worth BZing just to keep it
> on the rev team's radar, since it's a stumbling block that everyone
> runs across at some time or other.
>
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
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From revolution at derbrill.de  Sun Jul 31 17:03:00 2005
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 23:03:00 +0200
Subject: European Revolution Conference
In-Reply-To: <20050731170005.37364825331@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <79F800E4-0206-11DA-824C-0030659A795C@derbrill.de>

Hi Mark!

Excellent idea! It is always great to meat the persons behind the mail 
face to face. The only thing that might be problematic is that 6 weeks 
from now is a bit short to plan.

Please keep me posted,

Malte



From revdan at danshafer.com  Sun Jul 31 18:10:23 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:10:23 -0700
Subject: ANN: Sudoku Assistant
In-Reply-To: <42ECDC74.8050502@tweedly.net>
References: <20050730111003.18860825342@mail.runrev.com>
	<p06200707bf11d53c1d78@[69.19.167.140]>
	<42ECDC74.8050502@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <8754C4BD-C4D5-4580-9DF2-460184CE40EF@danshafer.com>

Alex.....

Downloaded Version 1.2 but the PReferences menu option does nothing  
on my machine.

Still getting addicted here. Nifty stuff.

Dan



From alex at tweedly.net  Sun Jul 31 18:25:12 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 23:25:12 +0100
Subject: ANN: Sudoku Assistant
In-Reply-To: <8754C4BD-C4D5-4580-9DF2-460184CE40EF@danshafer.com>
References: <20050730111003.18860825342@mail.runrev.com>	<p06200707bf11d53c1d78@[69.19.167.140]>	<42ECDC74.8050502@tweedly.net>
	<8754C4BD-C4D5-4580-9DF2-460184CE40EF@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <42ED4FC8.4080507@tweedly.net>

Dan Shafer wrote:

> Alex.....
>
> Downloaded Version 1.2 but the PReferences menu option does nothing  
> on my machine.
>
> Still getting addicted here. Nifty stuff.

There aren't any preferences yet.

Although Jim suggested a preference for whether to display blanks rather 
than the set of possible values, I decided to make it a button rather 
than a preference.

 This makes it easier to switch between the two modes - initially there 
should be a button at the bottom "Hide uncompleted" - click that 
(*after* you have loaded a puzzle) and you will see blank squares, and 
the button should switch to saying "Show uncompleted". You should be 
able to switch between them at any time. (This doesn't count as an 
action for Undo/Redo - you should stay in the same mode while Undoing or 
Redoing).

-- 
Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net



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From soapdog at mac.com  Sun Jul 31 18:30:00 2005
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:30:00 -0300
Subject: ANN: New page in test.
Message-ID: <CA2E8921-E352-43AA-8BA1-B1A819669C9E@mac.com>

Hi There folks,

I am testing my new page and I'd like feedback from you guys since  
the page is most focused on writting interesting things for rev  
coders. The page is currently hosted at my house so the system is  
slow (slow connection, slow computer) so please be patient, I just  
need to see if there's a place for that kind of page. The content is  
small now, but I'll be adding content daily. The url is http:// 
www.andregarzia.com that is not the final url but a temporary one,  
before I move my www.soapdog.org domain. The url will redirect to my  
home machine on a non standard port, so that you guys end up on  
http://home.soapdog.org:8080/

cheers
andre


From revdan at danshafer.com  Sun Jul 31 18:47:51 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:47:51 -0700
Subject: ANN: Sudoku Assistant
In-Reply-To: <42ED4FC8.4080507@tweedly.net>
References: <20050730111003.18860825342@mail.runrev.com>	<p06200707bf11d53c1d78@[69.19.167.140]>	<42ECDC74.8050502@tweedly.net>
	<8754C4BD-C4D5-4580-9DF2-460184CE40EF@danshafer.com>
	<42ED4FC8.4080507@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <A2547942-BA58-40A7-99EA-049CDC206B78@danshafer.com>

Alex...

Got it.

I'm doing something wrong or misunderstanding how the assistant works  
or something.

On Puzzle #1, I got to the place where I have five uncompleted cells.  
One of them has a "?" which I think means there's an error somewhere.  
But neither it nor the cell underneath it show any potential values  
when I click on them. Then I click on an adjoining square to the one  
without a "?" and select a value. Odds go to 0, so I know I've got a  
wrong value there. I "Undo" and now I have three squares -- the two  
original and the one I just undid -- that show no values to pick from  
when I click on them. SO essentially, even though I think I could  
solve the puzzle at this point, the assistant won't let me proceed.

Bug? Something I'm not grokking?

Dan

(I'll send you the text file privately.)

On Jul 31, 2005, at 3:25 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> Dan Shafer wrote:
>
>
>> Alex.....
>>
>> Downloaded Version 1.2 but the PReferences menu option does  
>> nothing  on my machine.
>>
>> Still getting addicted here. Nifty stuff.
>>
>
> There aren't any preferences yet.
>
> Although Jim suggested a preference for whether to display blanks  
> rather than the set of possible values, I decided to make it a  
> button rather than a preference.
>
> This makes it easier to switch between the two modes - initially  
> there should be a button at the bottom "Hide uncompleted" - click  
> that (*after* you have loaded a puzzle) and you will see blank  
> squares, and the button should switch to saying "Show uncompleted".  
> You should be able to switch between them at any time. (This  
> doesn't count as an action for Undo/Redo - you should stay in the  
> same mode while Undoing or Redoing).
>
> -- 
> Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net
>
>
>
> -- 
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> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
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From revdan at danshafer.com  Sun Jul 31 18:54:29 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:54:29 -0700
Subject: ANN: New page in test.
In-Reply-To: <CA2E8921-E352-43AA-8BA1-B1A819669C9E@mac.com>
References: <CA2E8921-E352-43AA-8BA1-B1A819669C9E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <A8C34CC5-FC38-4F8B-8AF3-AD575D62CCF1@danshafer.com>

Andre....

A blog from you on technical things would be quite interesting and  
useful, I'm sure.

Curious why you're using Manila when you have your own blogging  
tools. I mean, I like Manila and all, but does it offer some big  
advantages that you couldn't get into your own blog tools?

I'd definitely read it.

Dan

On Jul 31, 2005, at 3:30 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Hi There folks,
>
> I am testing my new page and I'd like feedback from you guys since  
> the page is most focused on writting interesting things for rev  
> coders. The page is currently hosted at my house so the system is  
> slow (slow connection, slow computer) so please be patient, I just  
> need to see if there's a place for that kind of page. The content  
> is small now, but I'll be adding content daily. The url is http:// 
> www.andregarzia.com that is not the final url but a temporary one,  
> before I move my www.soapdog.org domain. The url will redirect to  
> my home machine on a non standard port, so that you guys end up on  
> http://home.soapdog.org:8080/
>
> cheers
> andre
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From soapdog at mac.com  Sun Jul 31 19:03:38 2005
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 20:03:38 -0300
Subject: ANN: New page in test.
In-Reply-To: <A8C34CC5-FC38-4F8B-8AF3-AD575D62CCF1@danshafer.com>
References: <CA2E8921-E352-43AA-8BA1-B1A819669C9E@mac.com>
	<A8C34CC5-FC38-4F8B-8AF3-AD575D62CCF1@danshafer.com>
Message-ID: <29A800D4-3191-4547-81C6-CCAAD5B8FF40@mac.com>


On Jul 31, 2005, at 7:54 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:

> Andre....
>
> A blog from you on technical things would be quite interesting and  
> useful, I'm sure.
>
> Curious why you're using Manila when you have your own blogging  
> tools. I mean, I like Manila and all, but does it offer some big  
> advantages that you couldn't get into your own blog tools?
>
> I'd definitely read it.
>
> Dan

Dan,

I guess I'll create  a "why manila" article :-D

The point is, my blogging tools are not on par with manila features  
yet. Manila is very powerfull and it's built in editor and image  
upload features enable me to work my page from anywhere. I am working  
on a little manila-like tool but it is not ready yet, so for now, I  
stick with manila. All my blogging tools are just me trying to clone  
frontier/manila for I think it's the most powerfull and elegant  
solution available. Since the frontier kernel was opened, my old  
frontier interest was reborn and I reinstalled manila trial here, it  
will run for two months. I hope that in the end of this period or my  
blogging tools will be as powerfull as I want them to be, or that  
I'll have the money to buy a frontier copy for myself!

The main thing was: should I wait for my tools to mature as much as I  
thought they need before creating my page or should I start with the  
tool I like best and then go improving my apps using my daily  
experience with manila as a guidance... I decided to start now! :-D

Cheers
andre


>
> On Jul 31, 2005, at 3:30 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>
>
>> Hi There folks,
>>
>> I am testing my new page and I'd like feedback from you guys since  
>> the page is most focused on writting interesting things for rev  
>> coders. The page is currently hosted at my house so the system is  
>> slow (slow connection, slow computer) so please be patient, I just  
>> need to see if there's a place for that kind of page. The content  
>> is small now, but I'll be adding content daily. The url is http:// 
>> www.andregarzia.com that is not the final url but a temporary one,  
>> before I move my www.soapdog.org domain. The url will redirect to  
>> my home machine on a non standard port, so that you guys end up on  
>> http://home.soapdog.org:8080/
>>
>> cheers
>> andre
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
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>>
>
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From jhurley at infostations.com  Sun Jul 31 19:27:11 2005
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:27:11 -0700
Subject: Full justification
In-Reply-To: <20050731170005.0DE4582526C@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20050731170005.0DE4582526C@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p06200705bf130cc74dfd@[69.19.167.209]>

>
>Message: 1
>Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 11:17:40 -0400
>From: Thomas McGrath III <3mcgrath at adelphia.net>
>Subject: Re: Full justification
>To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>Message-ID: <c69071b683d18421c6989de6ac6f0c7e at adelphia.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=US-ASCII;	format=flowed
>
>This will take care of the extra spaces just create another button and
>put this in it:
>
>
>on mouseUp
>    repeat for each word theword in field "field"
>      put theword & space after field "flush"
>    end repeat
>    beep
>end mouseUp
>
>Then copy the text from field "field"
>
>Tom


Tom,

Good. But to avoid the problems that Alex mentions, I was thinking of 
something like the following:

on mouseUp
   get the htmltext of  field 1

   repeat
     replace "  " with space in it--Replace double space with single
     if offset("  ",it) is 0 then exit repeat
   end repeat

   set the htmltext of field 1 to  it
end mouseUp

Replace is very fast. It is best to work with the htmlText to avoid 
changing the formatting. (It is pretty much what I do in MS Word: 
replace double spaces with single spaces until Word reports no 
changes.)

Jim

From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Sun Jul 31 19:49:48 2005
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:49:48 -0400
Subject: ANN: New page in test.
In-Reply-To: <29A800D4-3191-4547-81C6-CCAAD5B8FF40@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BF12DBDC.DD1B%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

Your page works fine but Manila cost $1000! Why not use plog or some other
blogging tool that is not so expensive? I am looking for a very simple
blogging tool, easy to post too with photos, easy to set-up RSS and runs on
Linux.

What is your advice?

Bill


On 7/31/05 7:03 PM, "Andre Garzia" <soapdog at mac.com> wrote:

> 
> On Jul 31, 2005, at 7:54 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:
> 
>> Andre....
>> 
>> A blog from you on technical things would be quite interesting and
>> useful, I'm sure.
>> 
>> Curious why you're using Manila when you have your own blogging
>> tools. I mean, I like Manila and all, but does it offer some big
>> advantages that you couldn't get into your own blog tools?
>> 
>> I'd definitely read it.
>> 
>> Dan
> 
> Dan,
> 
> I guess I'll create  a "why manila" article :-D
> 
> The point is, my blogging tools are not on par with manila features
> yet. Manila is very powerfull and it's built in editor and image
> upload features enable me to work my page from anywhere. I am working
> on a little manila-like tool but it is not ready yet, so for now, I
> stick with manila. All my blogging tools are just me trying to clone
> frontier/manila for I think it's the most powerfull and elegant
> solution available. Since the frontier kernel was opened, my old
> frontier interest was reborn and I reinstalled manila trial here, it
> will run for two months. I hope that in the end of this period or my
> blogging tools will be as powerfull as I want them to be, or that
> I'll have the money to buy a frontier copy for myself!
> 
> The main thing was: should I wait for my tools to mature as much as I
> thought they need before creating my page or should I start with the
> tool I like best and then go improving my apps using my daily
> experience with manila as a guidance... I decided to start now! :-D
> 
> Cheers
> andre
> 
> 
>> 
>> On Jul 31, 2005, at 3:30 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi There folks,
>>> 
>>> I am testing my new page and I'd like feedback from you guys since
>>> the page is most focused on writting interesting things for rev
>>> coders. The page is currently hosted at my house so the system is
>>> slow (slow connection, slow computer) so please be patient, I just
>>> need to see if there's a place for that kind of page. The content
>>> is small now, but I'll be adding content daily. The url is http://
>>> www.andregarzia.com that is not the final url but a temporary one,
>>> before I move my www.soapdog.org domain. The url will redirect to
>>> my home machine on a non standard port, so that you guys end up on
>>> http://home.soapdog.org:8080/
>>> 
>>> cheers
>>> andre
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Jul 31 20:01:39 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:01:39 -0700
Subject: Help, what am I doing wrong??? --resolution BZ
In-Reply-To: <36FCAD81-8FAF-4A25-B4B1-347CFAD3C58D@writeme.com>
References: <20050730165945.37016.qmail@web60518.mail.yahoo.com>
	<73E917CF-AF48-446C-8107-34172E513808@writeme.com>
	<1003948417.20050730191500@ahsoftware.net>
	<813F5E0E-DD77-4B97-BD87-CD800559A217@writeme.com>
	<10918383113.20050730231535@ahsoftware.net>
	<36FCAD81-8FAF-4A25-B4B1-347CFAD3C58D@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <18215348600.20050731170139@ahsoftware.net>

Dennis-

Sunday, July 31, 2005, 1:45:53 PM, you wrote:

Thanks. BZ# 3036 voted and commented on.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Jul 31 20:08:49 2005
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:08:49 -0700
Subject: Help, what am I doing wrong???
In-Reply-To: <42ED2369.7070001@sover.net>
References: <20050730165945.37016.qmail@web60518.mail.yahoo.com>
	<73E917CF-AF48-446C-8107-34172E513808@writeme.com>
	<1003948417.20050730191500@ahsoftware.net>
	<813F5E0E-DD77-4B97-BD87-CD800559A217@writeme.com>
	<10918383113.20050730231535@ahsoftware.net>
	<42ECCB15.3060009@sover.net>
	<1533551646.20050731102014@ahsoftware.net> <42ED2369.7070001@sover.net>
Message-ID: <12615777767.20050731170849@ahsoftware.net>

Jon-

Sunday, July 31, 2005, 12:15:53 PM, you wrote:

J> Mark:

J> The point I was TRYING to make <grin> was that FOR loop variables 1) had
J> to be declared locally; and 2) could not be modified inside a loop.  I
J> was trying to make a general case for this kind of a definition of an
J> "error". 

Ah. Gotcha. Yes - that's at least somewhat mind-boggling.

A semi-related point that seems to bother nobody but me is that you
don't have to declare loop variables (i.e., Variable Checking [aka
explicitVars] doesn't catch them), but if you don't explicitly declare
them as local then they become global by default, in which case you
get namespace conflicts. Declaring "local x" when you've already got a
"repeat for x=1 to 10" line somewhere in your script will cause a
compiler error at the "local x" line.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From revdan at danshafer.com  Sun Jul 31 20:17:42 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:17:42 -0700
Subject: ANN: New page in test.
In-Reply-To: <29A800D4-3191-4547-81C6-CCAAD5B8FF40@mac.com>
References: <CA2E8921-E352-43AA-8BA1-B1A819669C9E@mac.com>
	<A8C34CC5-FC38-4F8B-8AF3-AD575D62CCF1@danshafer.com>
	<29A800D4-3191-4547-81C6-CCAAD5B8FF40@mac.com>
Message-ID: <196A4234-A402-4086-91FE-56EC376A69FA@danshafer.com>

I found Manila confusingly robust and annoyingly complex. I prefer  
Web Crossing, which is what i use for my blog (http:// 
www.eclecticity.com). Web Crossing is more expensive than Manila, but  
it is also more fully featured, being a true all-in-one server  
package backed by a completely user-extensible object database and  
all of it entirely scriptable in JavaScript.

But at least I now understand why you went with another product.

Dan

On Jul 31, 2005, at 4:03 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

>
> On Jul 31, 2005, at 7:54 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:
>
>
>> Andre....
>>
>> A blog from you on technical things would be quite interesting and  
>> useful, I'm sure.
>>
>> Curious why you're using Manila when you have your own blogging  
>> tools. I mean, I like Manila and all, but does it offer some big  
>> advantages that you couldn't get into your own blog tools?
>>
>> I'd definitely read it.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>
> Dan,
>
> I guess I'll create  a "why manila" article :-D
>
> The point is, my blogging tools are not on par with manila features  
> yet. Manila is very powerfull and it's built in editor and image  
> upload features enable me to work my page from anywhere. I am  
> working on a little manila-like tool but it is not ready yet, so  
> for now, I stick with manila. All my blogging tools are just me  
> trying to clone frontier/manila for I think it's the most powerfull  
> and elegant solution available. Since the frontier kernel was  
> opened, my old frontier interest was reborn and I reinstalled  
> manila trial here, it will run for two months. I hope that in the  
> end of this period or my blogging tools will be as powerfull as I  
> want them to be, or that I'll have the money to buy a frontier copy  
> for myself!
>
> The main thing was: should I wait for my tools to mature as much as  
> I thought they need before creating my page or should I start with  
> the tool I like best and then go improving my apps using my daily  
> experience with manila as a guidance... I decided to start now! :-D
>
> Cheers
> andre
>
>
>
>>
>> On Jul 31, 2005, at 3:30 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi There folks,
>>>
>>> I am testing my new page and I'd like feedback from you guys  
>>> since the page is most focused on writting interesting things for  
>>> rev coders. The page is currently hosted at my house so the  
>>> system is slow (slow connection, slow computer) so please be  
>>> patient, I just need to see if there's a place for that kind of  
>>> page. The content is small now, but I'll be adding content daily.  
>>> The url is http://www.andregarzia.com that is not the final url  
>>> but a temporary one, before I move my www.soapdog.org domain. The  
>>> url will redirect to my home machine on a non standard port, so  
>>> that you guys end up on http://home.soapdog.org:8080/
>>>
>>> cheers
>>> andre
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From revdan at danshafer.com  Sun Jul 31 20:25:24 2005
From: revdan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:25:24 -0700
Subject: ANN: New page in test.
In-Reply-To: <BF12DBDC.DD1B%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
References: <BF12DBDC.DD1B%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
Message-ID: <17C940E5-090D-418E-B0AB-A229E28FCB16@danshafer.com>

FYI and FWIW, my research indicates that WordPress is probably the  
best of the free blog tools out there. I think it supports everything  
you want. While RSS isn't built in there are a lot of easy-to-install  
third party tools that handle it quite elegantly.

http://www.wordpress.org

Dan

On Jul 31, 2005, at 4:49 PM, Bill wrote:

> Your page works fine but Manila cost $1000! Why not use plog or  
> some other
> blogging tool that is not so expensive? I am looking for a very simple
> blogging tool, easy to post too with photos, easy to set-up RSS and  
> runs on
> Linux.
>
> What is your advice?
>
> Bill
>
>
> On 7/31/05 7:03 PM, "Andre Garzia" <soapdog at mac.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> On Jul 31, 2005, at 7:54 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Andre....
>>>
>>> A blog from you on technical things would be quite interesting and
>>> useful, I'm sure.
>>>
>>> Curious why you're using Manila when you have your own blogging
>>> tools. I mean, I like Manila and all, but does it offer some big
>>> advantages that you couldn't get into your own blog tools?
>>>
>>> I'd definitely read it.
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>
>> Dan,
>>
>> I guess I'll create  a "why manila" article :-D
>>
>> The point is, my blogging tools are not on par with manila features
>> yet. Manila is very powerfull and it's built in editor and image
>> upload features enable me to work my page from anywhere. I am working
>> on a little manila-like tool but it is not ready yet, so for now, I
>> stick with manila. All my blogging tools are just me trying to clone
>> frontier/manila for I think it's the most powerfull and elegant
>> solution available. Since the frontier kernel was opened, my old
>> frontier interest was reborn and I reinstalled manila trial here, it
>> will run for two months. I hope that in the end of this period or my
>> blogging tools will be as powerfull as I want them to be, or that
>> I'll have the money to buy a frontier copy for myself!
>>
>> The main thing was: should I wait for my tools to mature as much as I
>> thought they need before creating my page or should I start with the
>> tool I like best and then go improving my apps using my daily
>> experience with manila as a guidance... I decided to start now! :-D
>>
>> Cheers
>> andre
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 31, 2005, at 3:30 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi There folks,
>>>>
>>>> I am testing my new page and I'd like feedback from you guys since
>>>> the page is most focused on writting interesting things for rev
>>>> coders. The page is currently hosted at my house so the system is
>>>> slow (slow connection, slow computer) so please be patient, I just
>>>> need to see if there's a place for that kind of page. The content
>>>> is small now, but I'll be adding content daily. The url is http://
>>>> www.andregarzia.com that is not the final url but a temporary one,
>>>> before I move my www.soapdog.org domain. The url will redirect to
>>>> my home machine on a non standard port, so that you guys end up on
>>>> http://home.soapdog.org:8080/
>>>>
>>>> cheers
>>>> andre
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From jbondy at sover.net  Sun Jul 31 21:13:25 2005
From: jbondy at sover.net (Jon)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 21:13:25 -0400
Subject: Help, what am I doing wrong???
In-Reply-To: <12615777767.20050731170849@ahsoftware.net>
References: <20050730165945.37016.qmail@web60518.mail.yahoo.com>	<73E917CF-AF48-446C-8107-34172E513808@writeme.com>	<1003948417.20050730191500@ahsoftware.net>	<813F5E0E-DD77-4B97-BD87-CD800559A217@writeme.com>	<10918383113.20050730231535@ahsoftware.net>	<42ECCB15.3060009@sover.net>	<1533551646.20050731102014@ahsoftware.net>
	<42ED2369.7070001@sover.net>
	<12615777767.20050731170849@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <42ED7735.5080502@sover.net>

Horrifying.  I assume this is BZd?!?


Mark Wieder wrote:

>Jon-
>
>Sunday, July 31, 2005, 12:15:53 PM, you wrote:
>
>J> Mark:
>
>J> The point I was TRYING to make <grin> was that FOR loop variables 1) had
>J> to be declared locally; and 2) could not be modified inside a loop.  I
>J> was trying to make a general case for this kind of a definition of an
>J> "error". 
>
>Ah. Gotcha. Yes - that's at least somewhat mind-boggling.
>
>A semi-related point that seems to bother nobody but me is that you
>don't have to declare loop variables (i.e., Variable Checking [aka
>explicitVars] doesn't catch them), but if you don't explicitly declare
>them as local then they become global by default, in which case you
>get namespace conflicts. Declaring "local x" when you've already got a
>"repeat for x=1 to 10" line somewhere in your script will cause a
>compiler error at the "local x" line.
>
>  
>


From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Sun Jul 31 21:14:19 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:14:19 +1000
Subject: Video tutorials - OS X
In-Reply-To: <101A97BB-1627-42BB-93BF-9762E3F4A1D3@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <AB5BB4F2-6AFB-414E-82C8-F8F23C5DF08C@santacruz.k12.ca.us>
	<101A97BB-1627-42BB-93BF-9762E3F4A1D3@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <1546B7A9-D851-4684-85CE-15957326CBBB@genesearch.com.au>

Not only do you need the codec installed, but you probably have to  
restart before you get video, even though the codec installer never  
asks for a restart.

Sarah

On 31/07/2005, at 5:44 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> You need the right codec installed.
> Se in the "Third party" folder in your Rev main app folder: it's  
> there.
> Hope this helps.
>
> Le 30 juil. 05 ? 21:30, Mark Swindell a ?crit :
>
>
>> Why don't I get video with the Rev OnLine tutorials in OS X 10.4?   
>> Only audio.
>>
>> This has probably been covered... but is there an easy answer?
>>
>


From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Sun Jul 31 21:29:23 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:29:23 +1000
Subject: Spotlight indexing: feature request proposal
In-Reply-To: <AAB708A5-BB33-4CB4-B4EA-D0D8DD703EAB@net2000.ch>
References: <20050731052525.7D2CE8253E9@mail.runrev.com>
	<AAB708A5-BB33-4CB4-B4EA-D0D8DD703EAB@net2000.ch>
Message-ID: <33932EAF-AFD0-4B06-B13B-4F72931D9AE1@genesearch.com.au>

> I propose the addition of two new stack properties for telling  
> Spotlight how to index stacks:
> - the <spotlightScript> of this stack: if true the scripts of the  
> stack is indexed by Spotlight. If false, no script indexing is done  
> for the stack.
> - the <spotlightText> of this stack: if true the content of fields  
> and titles of objects are indexed by Spotlight. If false, objects  
> content indexing is not done for the stack.
> By default both properties are true (i.e. when the stack is  
> created). When creating a substack, its spotlight properties are  
> default to the value of its mainstack but they can be changed  
> independantly from the mainstack.

I agree - mostly. Sometimes I would really like the text to be  
indexed but I realize this places an extra burden on the system, so I  
would like the text search OFF by default and restricted to unlocked  
fields.

As regards the password-protected scripts, have you tried this? I  
just tested it and Spotlight does not index password-protected stacks.

Cheers,
Sarah



From see3d at writeme.com  Sun Jul 31 21:39:38 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 21:39:38 -0400
Subject: Help, what am I doing wrong???
In-Reply-To: <12615777767.20050731170849@ahsoftware.net>
References: <20050730165945.37016.qmail@web60518.mail.yahoo.com>
	<73E917CF-AF48-446C-8107-34172E513808@writeme.com>
	<1003948417.20050730191500@ahsoftware.net>
	<813F5E0E-DD77-4B97-BD87-CD800559A217@writeme.com>
	<10918383113.20050730231535@ahsoftware.net>
	<42ECCB15.3060009@sover.net>
	<1533551646.20050731102014@ahsoftware.net> <42ED2369.7070001@sover.net>
	<12615777767.20050731170849@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <7F099A9F-D649-494D-80E0-B720728C27D7@writeme.com>

WHAT!!!!

I would have thought that they would be local by default.
Who would ever guess that they would be global by default.
This is unbelievable  --and dangerous!
Come on now, April 1st was four months ago.

Dennis

On Jul 31, 2005, at 8:08 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> A semi-related point that seems to bother nobody but me is that you
> don't have to declare loop variables (i.e., Variable Checking [aka
> explicitVars] doesn't catch them), but if you don't explicitly declare
> them as local then they become global by default, in which case you
> get namespace conflicts. Declaring "local x" when you've already got a
> "repeat for x=1 to 10" line somewhere in your script will cause a
> compiler error at the "local x" line.


From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Sun Jul 31 21:52:10 2005
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:52:10 +1000
Subject: Screen Resolution
In-Reply-To: <a06210200bf12c893ef78@[69.242.146.209]>
References: <20050731145024.95487825409@mail.runrev.com>
	<a06210200bf12c893ef78@[69.242.146.209]>
Message-ID: <86F53A34-83E3-4B65-B3C5-43071768269B@genesearch.com.au>

Like most things, there are sometimes valid reasons for over-riding  
the HIG. I run a kiosk app and for debugging, I have a button to  
toggle to screen res so I can see more windows, but for public use,  
toggle it back again.

For Mac OS X, I use the cscreen shell command.
<http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/19753>

To set the screen res to 1024 x 768 with 32 bit color depth, I use:
     get shell("cscreen -x 1024 -y 768 -d 32")

HTH,
Sarah


On 01/08/2005, at 4:41 AM, curry wrote:

>
> I've seen people berated for asking this question, because others  
> assume it will not be done responsibly on the Mac, which can have  
> some side effects. (So, best to either let the user choose whether  
> to change, or do something like kill the finder ??? or whatever it  
> is they do to avoid the side effects.) On PC, of course, it's common.
>
> I think this is always a good question, and I would also like to  
> know what are the best ways currently, for PC and for Mac.
>
> Curry
>
> --
>
>
>> Hi everyone:
>>
>> Can anybody tell me how can I change the screen resolution through  
>> a script?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
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From see3d at writeme.com  Sun Jul 31 21:53:47 2005
From: see3d at writeme.com (Dennis Brown)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 21:53:47 -0400
Subject: Question about keys
Message-ID: <A8C63CE3-9C3A-4F51-85B5-13BEDEA222B4@writeme.com>

All,

I have a two dimensional array:  array[x,y]
I need to get the unique x keys into a list, there are about 20  
unique ones, but they are dynamically created names (not numbers).
The y keys have tens of thousands of elements.

Is there a simple way to extract the unique x without iterating  
through all the tens of thousands of keys?

I could restructure my code so that I keep a list of unique keys as I  
create them, but this is more complex and could get out of sync since  
I create the elements from many different places in the code.

I could also have a second array that keeps some of the information  
without as many entries.

However, I would prefer keeping everything in one place (it is a  
global) if I can, but I can't think of an easy and fast method.

Thanks,
Dennis



From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Sun Jul 31 22:30:23 2005
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 22:30:23 -0400
Subject: Screen Resolution
In-Reply-To: <a06210200bf12c893ef78@[69.242.146.209]>
References: <20050731145024.95487825409@mail.runrev.com>
	<a06210200bf12c893ef78@[69.242.146.209]>
Message-ID: <66d930747ebe3f92ab925fc6a38554a6@adelphia.net>

See screenDepth

Value:
The screenDepth function returns 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 24, or 32.

The value returned by the screenDepth function is updated only when you 
start up the application. If you change the screen settings after 
starting up the application, you must quit and restart to update the 
screenDepth.

This does not make doing it easy. But it is possible. A start up app 
might change it and then quit while opening another app but then you 
would have to also change it upon quiting.

Tom


On Jul 31, 2005, at 2:36 PM, curry wrote:

>
> I've seen people berated for asking this question, because others 
> assume it will not be done responsibly on the Mac, which can have some 
> side effects. (So, best to either let the user choose whether to 
> change, or do something like kill the finder ??? or whatever it is 
> they do to avoid the side effects.) On PC, of course, it's common.
>
> I think this is always a good question, and I would also like to know 
> what are the best ways currently, for PC and for Mac.
>
> Curry
>
> --
>
>> Hi everyone:
>>
>> Can anybody tell me how can I change the screen resolution through a 
>> script?
>>
>> Thanks
> _______________________________________________
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2.6


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From briany at qldlearning.com  Sun Jul 31 22:32:06 2005
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:32:06 -0700
Subject: Question about keys
In-Reply-To: <A8C63CE3-9C3A-4F51-85B5-13BEDEA222B4@writeme.com>
References: <A8C63CE3-9C3A-4F51-85B5-13BEDEA222B4@writeme.com>
Message-ID: <8310d89aa613c9a1d3c38c2eefb8a676@qldlearning.com>

Dennis,

I don't believe there is an automatic way of doing what you want (short 
of changing your data structure, which may not be an option). However, 
the below should be a pretty quick hack if my brain is working well 
enough in email land:

put keys(myArray) into tKeys
split tKeys using return and comma
put keys(tKeys) into xValues

- Brian

> All,
>
> I have a two dimensional array:  array[x,y]
> I need to get the unique x keys into a list, there are about 20 unique 
> ones, but they are dynamically created names (not numbers).
> The y keys have tens of thousands of elements.
>
> Is there a simple way to extract the unique x without iterating 
> through all the tens of thousands of keys?
>
> I could restructure my code so that I keep a list of unique keys as I 
> create them, but this is more complex and could get out of sync since 
> I create the elements from many different places in the code.
>
> I could also have a second array that keeps some of the information 
> without as many entries.
>
> However, I would prefer keeping everything in one place (it is a 
> global) if I can, but I can't think of an easy and fast method.
>
> Thanks,
> Dennis
>
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From asg618 at mac.com  Sat Jul 30 22:11:04 2005
From: asg618 at mac.com (Alan Golub)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 22:11:04 -0400
Subject: MySQL Connection error
Message-ID: <BF11AB78.2E1%asg618@mac.com>

I've been toying around with the Database Query Builder lately, thinking
about writing a tutorial for new users. I've used it in the past with
PostgreSQL 8, connecting to localhost without any problems. But for the sake
of a tutorial, I thought I'd go with MySQL, which seems to be far more
popular, and for Mac OS X at least, much easier to install now that MySQL AB
provides native OS X installers.

But I can't seem to connect to MySQL from DQB. I've checked and double
checked the host, user name, password, database name, and port number, all
without success. I keep getting the following error message:

"There was an error in connecting to the database. Please check that the
connection fields are correct. Revdb error: Client does not support
authentication protocol requested by server, consider upgrading MySQL
client."

The client fields are definitely correct (I'm using them to connect to the
server from other GUI MySQL tools). I'm using Revolution Studio 2.6 and
MySQL 4.1.13 on Tiger 10.4.2.

Any thoughts or workarounds?

Thanks-
Alan Golub