Getting User Email Settings

Dan Shafer revdan at
Sat Jan 29 18:39:30 EST 2005

Thanks, Frank. That may be my best solution. We have a bit of an 
unusual requirement in that the user of our app has to pay per-use, so 
I can either have a single, shared user ID and password login for my 
own SMTP server or I can even probably script a way to generate a user 
ID and password combo when they pay up and get their unlock code to use 
the app. Either way should be fine, I think. The server won't be open 
to relaying and the volumes are low enough they won't overtax my 

Now I just have to go figure out how to configure my FreeBSD box to run 
an SMTP server. Ought to be a snap. Right. Back in about six months!



On Jan 28, 2005, at 8:36 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:

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> You could also try setting up your own SMTP server and direct the mail 
> to that, if you have a public IP address or could somehow get one.  
> Or, you could try to embed one in your app somehow...
> There's a new one: there are embedded database engines, so why not 
> embedded SMTP servers?
> Well, apparently the virus writers and spammers/bulk mailers have this 
> already:
> So why not a Rev app?
> Info on the protocol can be found here:
> On Jan 28, 2005, at 5:44 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> Derek Bump wrote:
>> >> Unless this stack is going to be used by 100s or 1000s of people,
>> >> and used to send 1000s of emails, why not hard code the settings
>> >> to your own smtp server?
>> >
>> > This could work, but you need to make sure your mail server
>> > doesn't has security against doing this.  Most do, as open
>> > mail servers without protection tend to be used by spammers.
>> Any server admin who doesn't require at least simple password 
>> authentication for SMTP servers should be fired, as they are aiding 
>> spammers and leaving their system at risk.
>> So assuming such lamers get fired, the question becomes:  Is Dan 
>> comfortable handing his SMTP password to anyone with a copy of 
>> Interarchy or other traffic monitoring tool? ;)
>> If you need email specifically, it should not be too onerous to ask 
>> users to set up yours just as they set up their own.  You can be 
>> extra nice and provide instructions on where they can find that info, 
>> but most can do it or they don't have email.
>> But if the goal is to have them send you messages, you could bypass 
>> email altogether with a CGI: the user client sends to the CGI, and 
>> you can write your own custom client for yourself that retrieves the 
>> messages and their attachments.  Since it's your own system you can 
>> package the data in any way that's convenient for you, without regard 
>> to complicated RFCs.
>> I've been doing that with RevNet's feedback form and elsewhere for 
>> years -- ditching email in favor of whatever system works for you can 
>> be much simpler and no less convenient, perhaps more so.
>> -- 
>>  Richard Gaskin
>>  Fourth World Media Corporation
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