Revolution [gracious] Comment

MisterX b.xavier at internet.lu
Sun Nov 21 16:39:36 EST 2004


hi all,

[turn humor scanner on]

> > 2.  RR do very nicely thank you by appropriating people's idea that 
> > are offered FREE on thi list and elsewhere and then charging us all 
> > for them - this doesn't seem entirely fair.

I just wanted to say that after much much perusing, scanning, and attempting
improving some the rev code, there's little that looks like any other
scripts I've seen in my archives or elsewhere. They even have their own
style which is remarkably clean. So, I too would like to know where you got
that idea 'coz I've proposed many ideas to Kevin, and he's still not copying
them! 

Even the RunRev GUI is quite original and well thought (altough it seems a
duplo and a non-duplo version would be welcome for newbies and experts
respectively). And while RR is still not complete as many would like, Im
glad it's opened for improvements and there's room for many utilities! 

While some "ideas" or concepts may be seen as copies (which never ever
happens in the computer industry ;), it doesn't mean that RunRev doesn't
listen to their customer or do their part of innovating, it's hard to avoid
not repeating someoneelses work today! Look at SCO saying Linux is a copy!
Others do it poorly, look at moft or lotus notes! Not bad products but...

Finally, there is a professional support infrastructure which the RunRev
folks definitely make good use of and give us freely to use (cryptically or
not). RunRev 2.5 wouldn't be as good as it is without it. And I didn't
mention all the gracious folks in the list that will give ya a script for
nut'n'honey!

on openpraise
Anyway, love seems the order of the new scripted comment and may the holy
license absolve you for your unregistered stacks of sins and praise you for
your good cards without yielding into the temptation of the demon bug as you
would others have do to you code... 
pass openpraise
end openpraise

For an atheist taoist infidel, that's pretty good eh? ;)

I'll just say, scripts are golden, talk is cheap...

Bonsoir a tous! Kisses to all script junkies!
Im gone develop my revving skills with 
www.RichardBurnsRally.com! Power to the slide rules!


> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jan Schenkel
> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 21:20
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Revolution Comment
> 
> --- Mathewson <richmond at mail.maclaunch.com> wrote:
> > [snip]
> > 
> > 1.  I requested help from RR with this development and 
> (after about 6 
> > weeks) recieved some very vague promises that have never 
> materialised.
> > 
> > 2.  RR do very nicely thank you by appropriating people's idea that 
> > are offered FREE on thi list and elsewhere and then charging us all 
> > for them - this doesn't seem entirely fair.
> > 
> > 3.  I would be more than happy to release my prototype 
> under some type 
> > of open source agreement - but how I make sure RR don't get their 
> > rapacious commercial paws on it I just don't know!!!
> > 
> > 4.  My website can only hold 3 MB of stuff so I would need 
> someone to 
> > offer me space to upload the prototype to.
> > 
> > [snip]
> > 
> > Sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
> > 
> 
> 
> Hi Richmond,
> 
> 
> While I try and steer clear of this sort of mockery of the 
> human ability to reason in a logical fashion, I'm getting 
> quite fed up with the lengthy diatribes produced by malcontents.
> 
> 
> In Xavier's case, I agree that as he paid for the product, he 
> has the right to expect proper support of the package and a 
> quick resolution of bugs.
> 
> At the same time, having looked at a number of bug reports 
> that he posted through bugzilla, I have found them confusing 
> and hard to reproduce at times.
> Nevertheless, when there's a problem, it needs to be resolved 
> in a professional manner, with courtesy from both sides.
> 
> But the utter tripe that I have read above, makes me wonder 
> why humanity hasn't nuked itself into oblivion yet. To quote 
> my favourite comedian, George Carlin :
> "Think of how stupid the avrage person is, and then realise 
> that half of the people on this planet are even more stupid."
> 
> 
> First of all, Revolution is a commercial company with limited 
> resources -- they can't hold your hand 7 days a week, 24 hours a day.
> 
> Quite frankly, had you behaved towards me in the same fashion 
> as you have towards them in the past, I would have installed 
> a rule to have your emails automatically deleted, regardless 
> of what gems of information might have been stored therein.
> 
> 
> Secondly, it is in the nature of any business, and even more 
> so in the IT-sector, to look at other ideas, and learn how to 
> aply what they do better in order to improve your own product 
> -- otherwise Intel users would be stuck with DOS.
> 
> And could you please show me parts of which projects have 
> been 'misappropriated' to form part of the Revolution 
> development environment ? A lot happens in a short time, and 
> some of the ideas that make it into my own products have 
> sometimes been lingering for years before I get around to 
> implementing them.
> 
> 
> Thirdly, if you're so worried about parts of your software, 
> which you're willing to give away for free, getting included 
> for all users, not just the ones with the time to scourge the 
> web for your particular contributions, then who or what are 
> you working for ?
> To the benefit of all, or for the personal glory ?
> 
> Besides, if they're still available from other origins, and 
> they're better than the Revolution variant, people will find 
> it and use it -- us programmers, we're usually a lazy bunch, 
> which leads us to try and find the most efficient way 
> possible to accomplish a task.
> 
> 
> Fourthly, there are numerous places on the web where you can 
> gather space : setup a few Yahoo/Geocities accounts, look at 
> Freespace.com -- or heaven forbid, try and work on a business 
> model that allows you to pay an ISP for hosting the files ; 
> ever heard of Paypal donations ?
> 
> 
> Finally, and then I hope never to climb on this soap box 
> again : grow up -- nothing in life is free but there are 
> plenty of opportunities to make it, none of which involve 
> sulking in a corner like a spoiled brat that didn't get the 
> shiny new toy he wanted, while hurling incoherent accusations 
> at the people who are trying to do their job.
> 
> 
> Now can we all pick up our lives and jobs, and focus on what 
> this mailing list is about : helping other people try and get 
> the most out of Revolution, rather than bitching about imperfections ?
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> 
> Jan Schenkel.
> 
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